From thomasz at hostmaster.org Fri Oct 1 00:40:42 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:40:42 +0200 Subject: How to update x86_64? Message-ID: <1096591242.3166.37.camel@hostmaster.org> Hi, what is the current recommended practice to upgrade x86_64 installations from rawhide? I used to locally mirror the rawhide repository for my architecture and rpm --freshen my installation from it. Recently I have found that RPM does not take the architecture into account when determining whether a package shall be updated and either installs the x86_64 package when only the i386 variant was installed or fails to upgrade an installed package when there is a i386 RPM with the same name but unsatisfied dependencies. I have therefore created a problem report but that was declined: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134171 Shall I reopen that bug? Do yum or up2date provide this kind of feature? How do I get them to use my local repository? Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key The three Rs of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 02:13:19 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:13:19 -0500 Subject: Why can only root mount zip, floppy, cd-rom drives? Message-ID: <1096596799.3783.2.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> I just made a fresh installation of FC3T2 Personal Desktop and installed all available updates. Unlike a previous install of FC3T2, I cannot mount any of these drives. What is the cause and how does a user get to mount them now? Thanks. Gerry Tool From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 1 05:28:54 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:28:54 -0400 Subject: Why can only root mount zip, floppy, cd-rom drives? In-Reply-To: <1096596799.3783.2.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> References: <1096596799.3783.2.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <415CEB16.9040203@speakeasy.net> Hi, I haven't updated today, well yesterday now, but as of 9/28 updates that was working was working. I have not taken the hal updates after 0.2.98cvs20040923 since it versions after that don't seem to get a value for the the mount point property -- I haven't had time to figure out what that deal is, but... If you run hal-device-manager and look at the properties for the the CD-ROM does it have a mount point filed in? If you haven't seen the following thread on the -devel- list, you should read it. [Console user mount patch and FC3] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-September/msg01244.html Its probably something else, but hey it was strangely similar to that discussion ;-\ Andrew Gerry Tool wrote: >I just made a fresh installation of FC3T2 Personal Desktop and installed >all available updates. > >Unlike a previous install of FC3T2, I cannot mount any of these drives. > >What is the cause and how does a user get to mount them now? > >Thanks. > >Gerry Tool > > > > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 1 05:54:09 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:54:09 -0400 Subject: How to update x86_64? In-Reply-To: <1096591242.3166.37.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1096591242.3166.37.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1096610049.28564.8.camel@binkley> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 02:40 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > Hi, > > what is the current recommended practice to upgrade x86_64 installations > from rawhide? > > I used to locally mirror the rawhide repository for my architecture and > rpm --freshen my installation from it. Recently I have found that RPM > does not take the architecture into account when determining whether a > package shall be updated and either installs the x86_64 package when > only the i386 variant was installed or fails to upgrade an installed > package when there is a i386 RPM with the same name but unsatisfied > dependencies. I have therefore created a problem report but that was > declined: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134171 > > Shall I reopen that bug? Do yum or up2date provide this kind of feature? > How do I get them to use my local repository? > Both yum and up2date should handle multilib/biarch updates just fine. -sv From john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca Fri Oct 1 06:24:35 2004 From: john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca (John MacLean) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:24:35 -0400 Subject: Unable to get the CD Database to work identifying audio CD's In-Reply-To: <41535287.4010502@acd.net> References: <41535287.4010502@acd.net> Message-ID: <1096611875.3336.4.camel@thunder.local> On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 18:47, Brian Craft wrote: > I'm running FC3 Test 2 and can't get the Gnome CD player (CD Player > 2.8.0) and the CD Database to work together. The audio cd's work fine, > but it won't go out and grab the information about the audio cd. > > Any idea's or anyone else having the same problem? I have, or rather had, the same problem. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134302 Running the cd player applet seems to fixed the problem. Can you confirm this? -- John MacLean From john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca Fri Oct 1 06:31:22 2004 From: john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca (John MacLean) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:31:22 -0400 Subject: Recent Documents refresh problem Message-ID: <1096612282.3336.11.camel@thunder.local> Hi, Having a problem with the Recent Documents off the main menu. Using gedit, OO.org apps, and whatnot update ~/.recently-used in a timely manner. However the 'Recent Documents' doesn't get updated (present test at 20 minutes). Running the file browser seems to trigger an immediate update. Selecting 'Clear Recent Documents' sets ~/.recently-used to 0 bytes but the menu not updated. Again the file browser triggers an update. What component would I bugzilla this against? -- John MacLean From talbotscott at cox.net Fri Oct 1 06:35:15 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:35:15 -0700 Subject: yum not updating fc3t1 to fc3t2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096612515.3821.5.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 16:59 +0100, Wood David wrote: > Already running this as su. Tried using up2date instead, but got a > dependency conflict with the x11-base-fonts (as it's gone in fc3t2). > > Yeah I wasn't sure if it'd work or not. (not really sure why not as the same repo is used). Maybe I'll try to figure it out when test 3 happens. Scott -- When in doubt -- Vote 'em out From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 06:58:32 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:58:32 -0400 Subject: xorg-x11-base-utils conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts Message-ID: When I update via yum, I am seeing an error message xorg-x11-base-utils conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts. Is the xorg-x11-base-utils package obsolete or something? From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 1 07:12:47 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias Feliciano) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:12:47 +0200 Subject: xorg-x11-base-utils conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096614767.3257.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le ven 01/10/2004 ? 08:58, TGS a ?crit : > When I update via yum, I am seeing an error message xorg-x11-base-utils > conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts. Is the xorg-x11-base-utils package > obsolete or something? I don't know if this help but try : yum --obsolete update -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 07:46:35 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 03:46:35 -0400 Subject: Fatal udev error Message-ID: Just updated my system to the latest development as of 3 AM EST, and cannot boot. Error follows: Press 'I' to enter interactive startup. Making extra nodes: cp: cannot stat '/etc/udev/devices/*': No such file or directory [FAILED] Starting udev: [ OK ] Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK ] Configuring kernel parameters: then nothing, since it is frozen. From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 07:50:44 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 03:50:44 -0400 Subject: Fatal udev error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: same error as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134271 on 10/01/2004 3:46 AM, TGS at spam at tachegroup.com wrote: > Just updated my system to the latest development as of 3 AM EST, and cannot > boot. > > Error follows: > > Press 'I' to enter interactive startup. > > Making extra nodes: cp: cannot stat '/etc/udev/devices/*': No such file or > directory > [FAILED] > Starting udev: [ OK ] > Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK ] > Configuring kernel parameters: > > then nothing, since it is frozen. From markmc at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 07:59:46 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:59:46 +0100 Subject: Recent Documents refresh problem In-Reply-To: <1096612282.3336.11.camel@thunder.local> References: <1096612282.3336.11.camel@thunder.local> Message-ID: <1096617586.28812.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:31, John MacLean wrote: > Hi, > Having a problem with the Recent Documents off the main menu. > > Using gedit, OO.org apps, and whatnot update ~/.recently-used in a > timely manner. However the 'Recent Documents' doesn't get updated > (present test at 20 minutes). > Running the file browser seems to trigger an immediate update. > > Selecting 'Clear Recent Documents' sets ~/.recently-used to 0 bytes but > the menu not updated. Again the file browser triggers an update. > > What component would I bugzilla this against? If you have gamin installed and you see gam_server running etc. and its a recent version of gamin (at least 0.0.8 or later AFAIK), then please log a bug against gamin. Don't do anything to try and work-around the problem yet. Daniel is very eager to help people debug definite cases of problems with gamin so that he can fix them. Cheers, Mark. From varanava at takas.lt Fri Oct 1 10:18:59 2004 From: varanava at takas.lt (Andrius) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:18:59 +0100 Subject: Didn't get answer References: <001901c4a4e8$6e541a70$0608020a@agraphic><20040927230323.GE3161@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1096334833.4237.34.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <000b01c4a7a0$10e53800$0608020a@agraphic> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Farris" To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:27 AM Subject: Re: Didn't get answer > On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 19:03 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 12:19:26AM +0100, Andrius wrote: > > > I didn't get answer to my question. Is it problem unclear or unknown? > > In installation process of Fedora Core 3 test 2 for AMD64 I got such bug > > message "Bug: Assertion (heads > 0) at disk_dos.c:471 in function > > probe_partition_for_geom() failed." (after keyboard configuration). > > If I press cancel I can go through other steps, but when I got the same > > message when it is time to copy packages to disk and installation stops. > > > -- > > > > Can yo describe your disk setup ? > > For background I'll explain mine because I also saw this message on my > P4 machine. It only happened when I had used fdisk to modify the > partition table after Anaconda was running (via vt2). The message was > displayed when Disk Druid configuration, not before (at keyboard conf). > > I manually deleted and created new partitions inside an existing > extended partition which previously housed FC2 (in rawhide form), using > fdisk just prior to Disk Druid in Anaconda. FC2 fdisk had created the > previous partitions inside the extended, however Windows XP SP1 had > created the extended partition itself. Now the new partitions created > with FC3t2 fdisk caused the assertion failure. > > I could not proceed with the installation without this error until I > removed the fdisk created partitions used manual Disk Druid instead (a > reboot was also necessary for geometry to be re-read). > > In the below setup, /dev/hdb5 was not deleted in the reformat and > reinstall to FC3t2 (which is why it is now displayed out of disk order). > The extended partition was left as is during the whole process. > > -#-> fdisk /dev/hdb -l > > Disk /dev/hdb: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hdb1 1 263 2112516 b W95 FAT32 > /dev/hdb2 264 3657 27262305 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) > /dev/hdb3 3658 4865 9703260 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) > /dev/hdb5 3214 3657 3566398+ 83 Linux > /dev/hdb6 * 264 271 64197 83 Linux > /dev/hdb7 272 666 3172806 83 Linux > /dev/hdb8 667 1074 3277228+ 83 Linux > /dev/hdb9 1075 1208 1076323+ 82 Linux swap > /dev/hdb10 1209 3213 16105131 83 Linux > > Partition table entries are not in disk order > > Apparently, the fdisk and disk druid results varied enough to cause this > error.. or perhaps it was due to using fdisk while anaconda may have > already checked disk geometry for disk druid? This has not been an > issue previously. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I recreated linux partition too and that I installed fc3. And yes that wasn't issue in previous releases, because I can install fc2 and fc1 without problems. My partition table is Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120033041920 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 39 313236 b W95 FAT32 /dev/sda2 * 1403 2932 12289725 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 40 1402 10948297+ 83 Linux /dev/sda4 2933 13354 83714715 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda5 2933 2949 136521 82 Linux swap /dev/sda6 2950 11283 66942823+ b W95 FAT32 /dev/sda7 11284 11341 465853+ a9 NetBSD /dev/sda8 11342 12389 8418028+ a9 NetBSD /dev/sda9 12390 12911 4192933+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda10 12912 13354 3558366 83 Linux Partition table entries are not in disk order However I created partition with Partition Manager in Windows, so perhaps it is not that issue about fdisk and disk druid. From harald at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 08:31:43 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:31:43 +0200 Subject: Fatal udev error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415D15EF.60007@redhat.com> TGS wrote: > Just updated my system to the latest development as of 3 AM EST, and cannot > boot. > > Error follows: > > Press 'I' to enter interactive startup. > > Making extra nodes: cp: cannot stat '/etc/udev/devices/*': No such file or > directory > [FAILED] > Starting udev: [ OK ] > Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK ] > Configuring kernel parameters: > > then nothing, since it is frozen. > The udev error is _not_ fatal.. really! From xerces8 at butn.net Fri Oct 1 08:31:31 2004 From: xerces8 at butn.net (xerces8) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:31:31 +0200 Subject: Mouse lag in X Message-ID: Hi! I noticed that this still happens in FC3t2 : I click on a windows title, move the mouse and what happens is than a selection rectangle is drawn on the desktop, starting a few inches away from the real click position. See http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.0/1207.html for patch and http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/7/8/154 for a smallish discussion. This issue makes work under X a joke, please fix ! Regards, xerces8 From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 09:35:30 2004 From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:05:30 +0530 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity Message-ID: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Anybody has noticed the problem of Xserver (or display driver) hanging in FC3-test1 ? I've filed a bug in bugzilla # 132968 ( http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132968 ). pciscan reports the display adaptor as: pci bus 0x000 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2572 Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device to summarize here's the problem: if i leave the Xserver running (WM being either GNOME / KDE based) overnight, 9/10 time i'd find that the display as hung, i.e. a thin raster band (in 16/256 colors) at the bottom of the screen. in this state CTRL-BACKSPACE, ALT-CTRL-Fn or even ALT-CTRL-DEL doesn't work, basically i cannot do anything using the console keyboard. if i telnet into this system from some other system, i am allowed in, after which if i try killing all X processes including gdm etc., the status doesn't change, i.e. the raster band stays and keyboard remains non-responsive. i've tried switching to runlevel 3, stopping X and going back to runlevel 5, without any good. only option left at this point is to reboot the system, or poweroff & poweron. thanks & regards, banibrata dutta. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Fri Oct 1 10:17:20 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:17:20 +0100 Subject: xorg-x11 Message-ID: <1096625840.11550.20.camel@jeeves.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, Is it me, my machine or xorg-x11 which is up the wall? I can get to gdm, login and then nothing. Very little HD activity, it just sits there. I'm going back to the last version, but I'm having to use nodeps as well as oldpackage :-( TTFN Paul -- "If I face my God tomorrow, I can tell Him I am innocent. I've never harmed anyone. I have cheated no one. I have deceived no one. I have hurt no one. Except myself. And that He will forgive me." - Hans Holzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Paul From mpleite at ppl-ti.com Fri Oct 1 10:31:13 2004 From: mpleite at ppl-ti.com (Miguel Pereira Leite) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:31:13 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1096626673.2785.39.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Looking good here. Doble click works ok Machine: Compaq presario 721EA Linux salazar 2.6.8-1.590 #1 Tue Sep 28 13:18:48 EDT 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux - Full updated, but kdebase (running 3.3.0-6, available 3.3.0-7) # grep Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" Sex, 2004-10-01 ?s 11:04 +0100, Paul Nasrat escreveu: > The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not > had any reports on how it's been recieved. > > If anyone has a laptop with Synaptics touchpad (grep > Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices), and done an install this week I'd be > grateful to here if it's all working OK. > > Discuss here or on #fedora-bugweek (nasrat). > > Thanks > > Paul > -- Miguel Pereira Leite Proen?a & Pereira Leite - Tecnologias de Informa??o, Lda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've filed a bug in bugzilla # 132968 ( > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132968 ). > > pciscan reports the display adaptor as: > pci bus 0x000 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2572 > Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device > > to summarize here's the problem: > if i leave the Xserver running (WM being either GNOME / KDE based) > overnight, 9/10 time i'd find that the display as hung, i.e. a thin > raster band (in 16/256 colors) at the bottom of the screen. in this > state CTRL-BACKSPACE, ALT-CTRL-Fn or even ALT-CTRL-DEL doesn't work, > basically i cannot do anything using the console keyboard. if i telnet > into this system from some other system, i am allowed in, after which > if i try killing all X processes including gdm etc., the status > doesn't change, i.e. the raster band stays and keyboard remains > non-responsive. i've tried switching to runlevel 3, stopping X and > going back to runlevel 5, without any good. only option left at this > point is to reboot the system, or poweroff & poweron. > > thanks & regards, > banibrata dutta. > -- Miguel Pereira Leite Proen?a & Pereira Leite - Tecnologias de Informa??o, Lda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sex, 2004-10-01 ?s 03:46 -0400, TGS escreveu: > Just updated my system to the latest development as of 3 AM EST, and cannot > boot. > > Error follows: > > Press 'I' to enter interactive startup. > > Making extra nodes: cp: cannot stat '/etc/udev/devices/*': No such file or > directory > [FAILED] > Starting udev: [ OK ] > Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK ] > Configuring kernel parameters: > > then nothing, since it is frozen. > -- Miguel Pereira Leite Proen?a & Pereira Leite - Tecnologias de Informa??o, Lda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul From mpleite at ppl-ti.com Fri Oct 1 10:50:01 2004 From: mpleite at ppl-ti.com (Miguel Pereira Leite) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:50:01 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096626352.3957.64.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <1096626673.2785.39.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> <1096626352.3957.64.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1096627801.2785.49.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> relevant parts of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (never touched ir. all defaults) # XFree86 4 configuration created by pyxf86config Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "dri" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "pt" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "LCD Panel 1024x768" HorizSync 31.5 - 48.5 VertRefresh 40.0 - 70.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "savage" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "S3 ProSavage KN133" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 16 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection Sex, 2004-10-01 ?s 11:25 +0100, Paul Nasrat escreveu: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:31 +0100, Miguel Pereira Leite wrote: > > Looking good here. > > Doble click works ok > > Can you attach your xorg.conf, please? > > Also does the edge-scrolling work. > > Paul > -- Miguel Pereira Leite Proen?a & Pereira Leite - Tecnologias de Informa??o, Lda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta ? uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente URL: From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Fri Oct 1 10:56:20 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:56:20 -0300 Subject: [Fwd: Re: mrtg and unicode issues] Message-ID: <1096628180.6760.3.camel@steelgoose.com> This is a message from Tobias, the MRTG author.. -----Mensagem encaminhada----- > From: Tobias Oetiker > To: Alexandre Strube > Subject: Re: mrtg and unicode issues > Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:07:35 +0200 > > Hi Alex, > > the problem realy is the translations in mrtg ... they are all in > the locales used most in the various places ... hence perl will > barf when used under unicode ... in any event the solution is > trivial ... > > just run > > env LANG=C mrtg mrtg.cfg > > and it will run fine > > tobi -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Fri Oct 1 10:59:12 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:59:12 -0300 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1096628352.6760.6.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Sex, 2004-10-01 ?s 07:04, Paul Nasrat escreveu: > If anyone has a laptop with Synaptics touchpad (grep Oh, I've read it and tought that Fedora would finally be shipped with synaptic package manager. You almost make my day a little better :-) -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 10:59:14 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:59:14 -0400 Subject: Error: missing dep: perl(Data::Flow) for pkg mod_perl Message-ID: [ User-Agent: KNode/0.8.0 update problem of the day: Error: missing dep: perl(Data::Flow) for pkg mod_perl Error: missing dep: perl(Module::Build) for pkg mod_perl [ From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 1 11:12:32 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:12:32 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <415D3BA0.1080508@sbcglobal.net> Paul Nasrat wrote: > The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not > had any reports on how it's been recieved. > > If anyone has a laptop with Synaptics touchpad (grep > Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices), and done an install this week I'd be > grateful to here if it's all working OK. > > Discuss here or on #fedora-bugweek (nasrat). > > Thanks > > Paul > I still have psmouse.proto=imps in the grub.conf file. Tapping and the scrollbar work with this command. I have synaptics-0.13.5-5 installed, but don't know how to setup xorg.conf manually. A previous attempt configuring made X not startup. grep Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices N: Name="ImPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" xorg.conf attached Jim -- You had mail, but the super-user read it, and deleted it! -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: xorg.conf.orig URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 1 11:30:49 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:30:49 -0400 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <415D3FE9.6010309@sbcglobal.net> Banibrata Dutta wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody has noticed the problem of Xserver (or display driver) hanging > in FC3-test1 ? I've filed a bug in bugzilla # 132968 ( > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132968 ). > > pciscan reports the display adaptor as: > pci bus 0x000 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2572 > Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device > > to summarize here's the problem: > if i leave the Xserver running (WM being either GNOME / KDE based) > overnight, 9/10 time i'd find that the display as hung, i.e. a thin > raster band (in 16/256 colors) at the bottom of the screen. in this > state CTRL-BACKSPACE, ALT-CTRL-Fn or even ALT-CTRL-DEL doesn't work, > basically i cannot do anything using the console keyboard. if i telnet > into this system from some other system, i am allowed in, after which > if i try killing all X processes including gdm etc., the status > doesn't change, i.e. the raster band stays and keyboard remains > non-responsive. i've tried switching to runlevel 3, stopping X and > going back to runlevel 5, without any good. only option left at this > point is to reboot the system, or poweroff & poweron. > > thanks & regards, > banibrata dutta. > Oh No! not both the cards now! (815 and 865G) Anyway, I had this problem before the CVS releases and presently had tried running X overnight and with screensavers running and cycling every few ninutes. It worked on the one back from the present version of X. I did not try any version post fc3t2 installation CDs though. If this is the same error that I experienced with the pre-CVS builds, X process dies out and leaves whatever mess caused the crash on the display. It is possible to ctl-alt-Fn to a terminal and perform tasks without the aid of a display. You should also be able to ssh into the box and check logs, stop services, etc. If interested in screensavers that might tickle the error into repeatability, try noof and StarWars. They triggered the previous errors immediately. To get the display back to normal, all I found worked was a system reset. Jim -- You had mail, but the super-user read it, and deleted it! From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 11:46:32 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:46:32 -0400 Subject: gettext rpm defect Message-ID: gettext 100 % done 30/572 /var/tmp/rpm/rpm-tmp.63051: line 2: fg: no job control error: %post(gettext-0.14.1-9) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 From pnasrat at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 11:32:02 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:32:02 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096627801.2785.49.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <1096626673.2785.39.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> <1096626352.3957.64.camel@anu.eridu> <1096627801.2785.49.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Message-ID: <1096630322.3957.117.camel@anu.eridu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:50 +0100, Miguel Pereira Leite wrote: > relevant parts of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (never touched ir. all defaults) Hmm that's not using the synaptics config - can you paste in the entirety of cat /proc/bus/input/devices Paul From pnasrat at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 11:34:36 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:34:36 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <415D3BA0.1080508@sbcglobal.net> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D3BA0.1080508@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1096630476.3957.121.camel@anu.eridu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Paul Nasrat wrote: > > The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not > > had any reports on how it's been recieved. > > > I still have psmouse.proto=imps in the grub.conf file. Tapping and the > scrollbar work with this command. Yes but this will dis > > I have synaptics-0.13.5-5 installed, but don't know how to setup > xorg.conf manually. A previous attempt configuring made X not startup. system-config-display --reconfig should set up, as should anaconda. I'm aware that you have other issues with this atm. Was this a fresh install? > grep Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices > N: Name="ImPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" I should have asked for the full output of this file, as some laptops report two pointers (one for the nipple). Paul From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 12:19:05 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:19:05 -0400 Subject: Fatal udev error In-Reply-To: <1096627142.2785.45.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Message-ID: Yes, removing the rhgb option does let me boot. on 10/01/2004 6:39 AM, Miguel Pereira Leite at mpleite at ppl-ti.com wrote: > Same udev error here, but machine boots all the way... > So.. not fatal here. > maybe, if you are with rhgb and boot to X, you have the error that > Banibrata Dutta wrote about... > > Sex, 2004-10-01 ?s 03:46 -0400, TGS escreveu: > >> Just updated my system to the latest development as of 3 AM EST, and cannot >> boot. >> >> Error follows: >> >> Press 'I' to enter interactive startup. >> >> Making extra nodes: cp: cannot stat '/etc/udev/devices/*': No such file or >> directory >> [FAILED] >> Starting udev: [ OK ] >> Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK ] >> Configuring kernel parameters: >> >> then nothing, since it is frozen. >> From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 12:28:07 2004 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:28:07 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096630476.3957.121.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D3BA0.1080508@sbcglobal.net> <1096630476.3957.121.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: I have two running right now, an Averatec 3200 and a Sharp av-18. I was so happy to see that synaptics support was finally built right in. I have full side scrolling functionality on both. On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:34:36 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not > > > had any reports on how it's been recieved. > > > > > > I still have psmouse.proto=imps in the grub.conf file. Tapping and the > > scrollbar work with this command. > > Yes but this will dis > > > > I have synaptics-0.13.5-5 installed, but don't know how to setup > > xorg.conf manually. A previous attempt configuring made X not startup. > > system-config-display --reconfig should set up, as should anaconda. I'm > aware that you have other issues with this atm. Was this a fresh > install? > > > grep Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices > > N: Name="ImPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" > > I should have asked for the full output of this file, as some laptops > report two pointers (one for the nipple). > > > > Paul > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xorg.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3521 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 12:32:15 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:32:15 -0400 Subject: kernel: EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "console" or missing value Message-ID: kernel doesn't like these entries in /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 /media/idedisk2 ext3 \ noauto,console,exec,managed 0 0 From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 12:33:09 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:33:09 -0400 Subject: xorg-x11-base-utils conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts In-Reply-To: <1096614767.3257.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: just what does the --obsolete option do? Looks to me from the man page, that it removes old packages that are not needed. But in running yum, lots of packages come up. How does it know what is obsolete? Does it check against the current package list from the repository that you are updating from? If so are packages that are installed outside the yum process considered obsolete? on 10/01/2004 3:12 AM, Matias Feliciano at feliciano.matias at free.fr wrote: > Le ven 01/10/2004 ? 08:58, TGS a ?crit : >> When I update via yum, I am seeing an error message xorg-x11-base-utils >> conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts. Is the xorg-x11-base-utils package >> obsolete or something? > > I don't know if this help but try : > yum --obsolete update From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 12:35:28 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:35:28 -0400 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <415D3FE9.6010309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Sounds like when the random screensaver option is selected. Then, when an openGL screensaver comes up, X fails if the card does not do openGL. At least that I what I can make happen with my cards under the VESA driver. on 10/01/2004 7:30 AM, Jim Cornette at fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Banibrata Dutta wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Anybody has noticed the problem of Xserver (or display driver) hanging >> in FC3-test1 ? I've filed a bug in bugzilla # 132968 ( >> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132968 ). >> >> pciscan reports the display adaptor as: >> pci bus 0x000 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2572 >> Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device >> >> to summarize here's the problem: >> if i leave the Xserver running (WM being either GNOME / KDE based) >> overnight, 9/10 time i'd find that the display as hung, i.e. a thin >> raster band (in 16/256 colors) at the bottom of the screen. in this >> state CTRL-BACKSPACE, ALT-CTRL-Fn or even ALT-CTRL-DEL doesn't work, >> basically i cannot do anything using the console keyboard. if i telnet >> into this system from some other system, i am allowed in, after which >> if i try killing all X processes including gdm etc., the status >> doesn't change, i.e. the raster band stays and keyboard remains >> non-responsive. i've tried switching to runlevel 3, stopping X and >> going back to runlevel 5, without any good. only option left at this >> point is to reboot the system, or poweroff & poweron. >> >> thanks & regards, >> banibrata dutta. >> > > Oh No! not both the cards now! (815 and 865G) > > Anyway, I had this problem before the CVS releases and presently had > tried running X overnight and with screensavers running and cycling > every few ninutes. It worked on the one back from the present version of > X. I did not try any version post fc3t2 installation CDs though. > > If this is the same error that I experienced with the pre-CVS builds, X > process dies out and leaves whatever mess caused the crash on the > display. It is possible to ctl-alt-Fn to a terminal and perform tasks > without the aid of a display. You should also be able to ssh into the > box and check logs, stop services, etc. > > If interested in screensavers that might tickle the error into > repeatability, try noof and StarWars. They triggered the previous errors > immediately. > > To get the display back to normal, all I found worked was a system reset. > > Jim From pnasrat at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 12:22:49 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:22:49 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D3BA0.1080508@sbcglobal.net> <1096630476.3957.121.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1096633369.15883.1.camel@anu.eridu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 08:28 -0400, Jon Nettleton wrote: > I have two running right now, an Averatec 3200 and a Sharp av-18. I > was so happy to see that synaptics support was finally built right in. > I have full side scrolling functionality on both. Was this a fresh install of rawhide? The xorg.conf synaptics sections do not look like the ones rhpl generates. Can you backup your xorg.conf and run system-config-display --reconfigure Then mail the generated xorg.conf to me, also the output of cat /proc/bus/input/devices. Paul From john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca Fri Oct 1 12:43:28 2004 From: john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca (John MacLean) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:43:28 -0400 Subject: Recent Documents refresh problem In-Reply-To: <1096617586.28812.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096612282.3336.11.camel@thunder.local> <1096617586.28812.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096634608.3336.15.camel@thunder.local> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 03:59, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:31, John MacLean wrote: > > Hi, > > Having a problem with the Recent Documents off the main menu. > > > > Using gedit, OO.org apps, and whatnot update ~/.recently-used in a > > timely manner. However the 'Recent Documents' doesn't get updated > > (present test at 20 minutes). > > Running the file browser seems to trigger an immediate update. > > > > Selecting 'Clear Recent Documents' sets ~/.recently-used to 0 bytes but > > the menu not updated. Again the file browser triggers an update. > > > > What component would I bugzilla this against? > > If you have gamin installed and you see gam_server running etc. and its > a recent version of gamin (at least 0.0.8 or later AFAIK), then please > log a bug against gamin. > > Don't do anything to try and work-around the problem yet. Daniel is > very eager to help people debug definite cases of problems with gamin so > that he can fix them. > > Cheers, > Mark. Ok, I have gamin-0.0.11-1. /usr/libexec/gam_server is running as the logged in user. No time at the present but I'll bugzilla it by tomorrow. Daniel, if there is any details you'd like me to collect and add to the entry post them here. -- John MacLean From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Oct 1 12:51:37 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:51:37 -0400 Subject: xorg-x11-base-utils conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts In-Reply-To: References: <1096614767.3257.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041001125137.GD17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:33:09AM -0400, TGS wrote: > just what does the --obsolete option do? Looks to me from the man page, that > it removes old packages that are not needed. But in running yum, lots of > packages come up. How does it know what is obsolete? Does it check against > the current package list from the repository that you are updating from? If > so are packages that are installed outside the yum process considered > obsolete? A package mentions Obsoletes: foo when it intends to replace it. From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 12:56:45 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:56:45 -0400 Subject: xorg-x11-base-utils conflicts with xorg-x11-base-fonts In-Reply-To: <20041001125137.GD17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: Okay I see the output now, took a few moments. yum --obsolete update yields something like [u] aaaaa 1.0 [o] bb 1.1 - aaaaa 1.0 which means that bb is obsolete and will be replaced/updated by aaaaa on 10/01/2004 8:51 AM, Charles R. Anderson at cra at WPI.EDU wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 08:33:09AM -0400, TGS wrote: >> just what does the --obsolete option do? Looks to me from the man page, that >> it removes old packages that are not needed. But in running yum, lots of >> packages come up. How does it know what is obsolete? Does it check against >> the current package list from the repository that you are updating from? If >> so are packages that are installed outside the yum process considered >> obsolete? > > A package mentions Obsoletes: foo when it intends to replace it. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 1 12:58:00 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:58:00 +0200 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> Hmm.. i have seen a similar problem on FC2 (nvidia geforce 2 MX pci). Somtimes (_very_ rarely) my display seems to just freeze. I can still svitch to vt1 and hit control-alt-delete, but whatever app was on screen when it froze, is stuck until the big red "COMPAQ" logo of the BIOS shows up (not the VGA bios, that is invisible). Also saw it with fc1 and a vodoo 3 card - but then it was more likely to turn black or freze with static (like if you have switched to a vt and then back again) - sometimes a svitch to a vt would fix it, sometimes i had to shutdown blindly, sometimes ssh worked, and once the whole box hanged firmly (so that i had to pull its plug). All those where PCI cards. Nothing that screams "hardware malfuncion"? While we are at it - why are "select screensavers randomly" selected by default? And why also all the GL-ones? Having a standard, not resource-eating (not everybody has a GL-accelerated card/drivers, and what about laptops? High CPU usage kills batterytime... Or even thin-clients? Ever saw a GL screensaver running on a thin client? Ever saw cpu-load of a thin-client-server which runs 10 GL screensavers at once and trying to send them over the network?). How many here agrees that having one boring default screensaver would be the best? Kyrre fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 11.35 skrev Banibrata Dutta: > Hi, > > Anybody has noticed the problem of Xserver (or display driver) hanging > in FC3-test1 ? I've filed a bug in bugzilla # 132968 ( > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132968 ). > > pciscan reports the display adaptor as: > pci bus 0x000 cardnum 0x02 function 0x00: vendor 0x8086 device 0x2572 > Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device > > to summarize here's the problem: > if i leave the Xserver running (WM being either GNOME / KDE based) > overnight, 9/10 time i'd find that the display as hung, i.e. a thin > raster band (in 16/256 colors) at the bottom of the screen. in this > state CTRL-BACKSPACE, ALT-CTRL-Fn or even ALT-CTRL-DEL doesn't work, > basically i cannot do anything using the console keyboard. if i telnet > into this system from some other system, i am allowed in, after which > if i try killing all X processes including gdm etc., the status > doesn't change, i.e. the raster band stays and keyboard remains > non-responsive. i've tried switching to runlevel 3, stopping X and > going back to runlevel 5, without any good. only option left at this > point is to reboot the system, or poweroff & poweron. > > thanks & regards, > banibrata dutta. From lnxxprt at arcor.de Fri Oct 1 13:20:17 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:20:17 +0200 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> [root at xxx ~]# cat /proc/bus/input/devices I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0007 Version=0000 N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" P: Phys=isa0060/serio4/input0 H: Handlers=mouse0 event0 B: EV=b B: KEY=6420 0 670000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: ABS=11000003 [root at xxx ~]# rpm -q rhpl rhpl-0.146-1 [root at xxx X11]# system-config-display --reconfig * ddcprobe returned bogus values: ID: None Name: None HorizSync: None VertSync: None Versuche mit Karte: ATI Rage Mobility Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 329, in ? mouse = rhpl.mouse.Mouse() AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mouse' /ds Paul Nasrat wrote: > The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not > had any reports on how it's been recieved. > > If anyone has a laptop with Synaptics touchpad (grep > Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices), and done an install this week I'd be > grateful to here if it's all working OK. > > Discuss here or on #fedora-bugweek (nasrat). > > Thanks > > Paul > From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 13:20:44 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:20:44 -0500 Subject: Why can only root mount zip, floppy, cd-rom drives? In-Reply-To: <415CEB16.9040203@speakeasy.net> References: <1096596799.3783.2.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> <415CEB16.9040203@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1096636844.3638.6.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 01:28 -0400, Andrew wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't updated today, well yesterday now, but as of 9/28 updates that > was working was working. I have not taken the hal updates after > 0.2.98cvs20040923 since it versions after that don't seem to get a value > for the the mount point property -- I haven't had time to figure out > what that deal is, but... If you run hal-device-manager and look at the > properties for the the CD-ROM does it have a mount point filed in? > > If you haven't seen the following thread on the -devel- list, you should > read it. > > [Console user mount patch and FC3] > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-September/msg01244.html > > Its probably something else, but hey it was strangely similar to that > discussion ;-\ > > Andrew Thanks for your reply, Andrew. I suspect you are correct that this is related to my problem. My version of hal is: [gerry at gstpc-test ~]$ rpm -q hal hal-0.2.98.cvs20040929-1 I have no file/command named hal-device-manager on my system. There is a command hal-get-property: usage : hal-get-property --udi --key [--hex] [--quiet] [--help] [--verbose] [-- version] --udi Unique Device Id --key Key of the property to get --hex Show integer values in hex (without leading 0x) --verbose Be verbose --version Show version and exit --help Show this information and exit This program retrieves a property from a device. If the property exist then it is printed on stdout and this program exits with exit code 0. On error, the program exits with an exit code different from 0 However, I do not know how to find the udi or key of a device to make use of this command. The fstab entries for my CD devices are: /dev/hdd /media/cdrw_dvdrw auto noauto,console,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrw auto noauto,console,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro 0 0 which are nothing like I am used to using. It looks to me like hal is the feature from hell. I suspect it is probably related to my networked printing not functioning in FC3T2 also. Gerry > > Gerry Tool wrote: > > >I just made a fresh installation of FC3T2 Personal Desktop and installed > >all available updates. > > > >Unlike a previous install of FC3T2, I cannot mount any of these drives. > > > >What is the cause and how does a user get to mount them now? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Gerry Tool > > > > > > > > > From pnasrat at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 13:11:58 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:11:58 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1096636318.15883.12.camel@anu.eridu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: Please bugzilla that against s-c-display. Paul From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 13:27:21 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:27:21 -0400 Subject: yum info broken Message-ID: yum info yum Setting up Repo: development Reading repository metadata in from local files developmen: ################################################## 3634/3634 Installed Packages Name : yum Arch : noarch Version: 2.1.4 Release: 1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 151, in ? main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 62, in main result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 368, in doCommands self.listPkgs(ypl.installed, 'Installed Packages', self.basecmd) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/output.py", line 118, in listPkgs self.infoOutput(pkg) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/output.py", line 86, in infoOutput print _("Size : %s") % format_number(float(pkg.size())) NameError: global name 'format_number' is not defined From lsomike at futzin.com Fri Oct 1 13:28:17 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:28:17 -0500 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200410010828.17894.lsomike@futzin.com> On Friday 01 October 2004 07:58, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > How many here agrees that having one boring default screensaver > would be the best? > > Kyrre > Personnally, I like a variety on those admittedly few times that I even enable the screesaver. Heck, I even rotate my desktop images every 45 minutes between the current daily images from "Astronomy Picture of the Day", "National Geographic Picture of the Day" and "EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to change to whatever your preferences dictate. Regards, Mike Klinke From pnasrat at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 13:21:52 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:21:52 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > Versuche mit Karte: ATI Rage Mobility > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 329, in ? > mouse = rhpl.mouse.Mouse() > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mouse' can you add import rhpl.mouse To /usr/share/system-config/display/xconf.py below the rhpl.keyboard import, and retry. Paul From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 1 13:37:30 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:37:30 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096637850.28564.25.camel@binkley> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 09:27 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > yum info yum > Setting up Repo: development > Reading repository metadata in from local files > developmen: ################################################## 3634/3634 > Installed Packages > Name : yum > Arch : noarch > Version: 2.1.4 > Release: 1 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 151, in ? > main(sys.argv[1:]) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 62, in main > result, resultmsgs = base.doCommands() > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 368, in doCommands > self.listPkgs(ypl.installed, 'Installed Packages', self.basecmd) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/output.py", line 118, in listPkgs > self.infoOutput(pkg) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/output.py", line 86, in infoOutput > print _("Size : %s") % format_number(float(pkg.size())) > NameError: global name 'format_number' is not defined fixed in cvs already. -sv From mpleite at ppl-ti.com Fri Oct 1 13:42:22 2004 From: mpleite at ppl-ti.com (Miguel Pereira Leite) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:42:22 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096630322.3957.117.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <1096626673.2785.39.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> <1096626352.3957.64.camel@anu.eridu> <1096627801.2785.49.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> <1096630322.3957.117.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1096638142.2796.5.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Hi there. First... after all... is not working so good.. i can not scroll.. Must i config something? And here is the cat you asked: cat /proc/bus/input/devices I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41 N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" P: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0 H: Handlers=kbd event0 B: EV=120013 B: KEY=4 2000000 3802078 f840d001 f2ffffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe B: MSC=10 B: LED=7 I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0007 Version=0000 N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 H: Handlers=mouse0 event1 B: EV=b B: KEY=6420 0 7000f 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: ABS=11000003 Sex, 2004-10-01 ?s 12:32 +0100, Paul Nasrat escreveu: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:50 +0100, Miguel Pereira Leite wrote: > > relevant parts of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (never touched ir. all defaults) > > Hmm that's not using the synaptics config - can you paste in the > entirety of cat /proc/bus/input/devices > > Paul > -- Miguel Pereira Leite Proen?a & Pereira Leite - Tecnologias de Informa??o, Lda -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta ? uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente URL: From lnxxprt at arcor.de Fri Oct 1 13:48:10 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:48:10 +0200 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <415D601A.3070107@arcor.de> import rhpl.monitor import rhpl.videocard import rhpl.keyboard + import rhpl.mouse from rhpl.translate import _, N_,textdomain that fixes the problem of s-c-display and the resulting xorg.conf is working fine. /ds Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > > > >>Versuche mit Karte: ATI Rage Mobility >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 329, in ? >> mouse = rhpl.mouse.Mouse() >>AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mouse' > > > can you add > > import rhpl.mouse > > To /usr/share/system-config/display/xconf.py below the rhpl.keyboard > import, and retry. > > Paul > > From lnxxprt at arcor.de Fri Oct 1 13:50:00 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:50:00 +0200 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <415D6088.7000907@arcor.de> yes, i also found this missing part. it is working now. /ds Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > > > >>Versuche mit Karte: ATI Rage Mobility >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 329, in ? >> mouse = rhpl.mouse.Mouse() >>AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mouse' > > > can you add > > import rhpl.mouse > > To /usr/share/system-config/display/xconf.py below the rhpl.keyboard > import, and retry. > > Paul > > From talbotscott at cox.net Fri Oct 1 13:50:16 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:50:16 -0700 Subject: Fatal udev error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096638618.11924.5.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 03:46 -0400, TGS wrote: > Just updated my system to the latest development as of 3 AM EST, and cannot > boot. > > Error follows: > > Press 'I' to enter interactive startup. > > Making extra nodes: cp: cannot stat '/etc/udev/devices/*': No such file or > directory > [FAILED] > Starting udev: [ OK ] > Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK ] > Configuring kernel parameters: > > then nothing, since it is frozen. Well I can tell you that the error you see is OKAY, as I get that one too. (stated directory is empty). please boot into linux rescue (or another linux distro if you have one available on that machine) and post the /var/log/dmesg. You might also include info on your machine (CPU, Chipset, GFX card etc.). Scott -- When in doubt -- Vote 'em out From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 1 14:00:28 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:00:28 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> I'm not getting a trace back, but I'm unable to upgrade with Yum 2.1.4 ... Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:03 developmen: ################################################## 3634/3634 Excluding Packages in global exclude list Finished Resolving Dependencies umb-scheme-3.2-35.x86_64. 100% |=========================| 30 kB 00:00 [root at concerto 09:10:14] root#echo $? 1 [root at concerto 09:48:18] root# From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 1 14:03:38 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:03:38 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> References: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1096639418.23234.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 10:00, Janina Sajka wrote: > I'm not getting a trace back, but I'm unable to upgrade with Yum 2.1.4 > ... > > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repo: development > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB > 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB > 00:03 > developmen: ################################################## 3634/3634 > Excluding Packages in global exclude list > Finished > Resolving Dependencies > umb-scheme-3.2-35.x86_64. 100% |=========================| 30 kB > 00:00 > [root at concerto 09:10:14] root#echo $? > 1 > [root at concerto 09:48:18] root# wow that one is new. yum -d 7 upgrade and bugzilla the results please -sv From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 1 14:10:47 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:10:47 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: <1096639418.23234.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> <1096639418.23234.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20041001141046.GE3907@rednote.net> seth vidal writes: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 10:00, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Resolving Dependencies > > umb-scheme-3.2-35.x86_64. 100% |=========================| 30 kB > > 00:00 > > [root at concerto 09:10:14] root#echo $? > > 1 > > [root at concerto 09:48:18] root# > > wow that one is new. > > yum -d 7 upgrade and bugzilla the results please Sure, but I think I need some help with Bugzilla ... Yum Version: 2.1.4 COMMAND: yum -d 7 upgrade Installroot: / Setting up Upgrade Process Setting up Repo: development Baseurl(s) for repo: ['http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/x86_64/'] repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files Setting up Package Sacks primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:08 repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at concerto 10:06:33] root# PS: This is after yum clean all. If I now run upgrade again, I get an error 127. > > -sv > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 1 14:34:20 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:34:20 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: <20041001141046.GE3907@rednote.net> References: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> <1096639418.23234.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041001141046.GE3907@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1096641260.23234.13.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match > checksum > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from development: [Errno 256] No > more mirrors to try. > [root at concerto 10:06:33] root# > > PS: This is after yum clean all. If I now run upgrade again, I get an > error 127. What mirror are you using in the above? I'm trying to figure out what is exiting here. Also why would you have trouble with bugzilla? Thanks -sv From JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com Fri Oct 1 14:48:31 2004 From: JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com (Joel Rittvo) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:48:31 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1096642111.7766.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 14:21 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > > > > Versuche mit Karte: ATI Rage Mobility > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 329, in ? > > mouse = rhpl.mouse.Mouse() > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mouse' > > can you add > > import rhpl.mouse > > To /usr/share/system-config/display/xconf.py below the rhpl.keyboard > import, and retry. > > Paul > Background -- Dell Inspiron laptop with Synaptics touchpad. Running current rawhide, but from updating off FC2. Not a new install. Not even an upgrade install. Just doing up2date daily and accepting anything it presented. I have been running with the v13.5 Synaptics driver for a while. I just added the import line, and then ran system-config-display -- reconfig. Went out of X and then back. My Synaptics touchpad has taps, scrolls, pointer acceleration and everything else it used to have with the Synaptics 13.5 driver module I had compiled from before. It is a little jumpy for my taste and it has the edges set in too close to the center, so dragging a window or highlighting a block of text starts into too much uncontrolled scrolling before I get things where I want them. But when I look at the new generated xorg.conf (see below), I see a Load "synaptics" entry in the Module list. What synaptics is it loading? The one I installed? Or is there one built in now? If it is the one I installed, what happens to someone who has not installed this? I'll have more questions after I get an answer on this, about trying to feed some settings to make it behave a bit quieter. Joel Rittvo # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "single head configuration" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Synaptics" "AlwaysCore" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "synaptics" Load "dri" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics" Driver "synaptics" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "LCD Panel 1400x1050" HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 VertRefresh 59.0 - 75.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nv" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce FX (generic)" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection From maxer1 at xmission.com Fri Oct 1 14:57:36 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:57:36 -0600 Subject: dev update Oct 1 for FC3T2 has login for everyone but root? Message-ID: <415D7060.30500@xmission.com> I'm getting a message that my "session only lasted 10 seconds, either you've run out of disk space or you didn't log off." I have created another user (after logging in as root) and that user yields the same response. What broke? :) RaXeT From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 1 14:57:18 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:57:18 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: <1096641260.23234.13.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> <1096639418.23234.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041001141046.GE3907@rednote.net> <1096641260.23234.13.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20041001145717.GF3907@rednote.net> seth vidal writes: > > > repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match > > checksum > > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from development: [Errno 256] No > > more mirrors to try. > > [root at concerto 10:06:33] root# > > > > PS: This is after yum clean all. If I now run upgrade again, I get an > > error 127. > > What mirror are you using in the above? Only uncommented in yum.conf is: [development] name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ > > I'm trying to figure out what is exiting here. > > Also why would you have trouble with bugzilla? Too many active elements for the eyes-free user -- 2,571 according to lynx. Makes it hard to know where one is and what checks belong to what group, etc. There has been conversation about fixing this. It's an issue across F/OSS. Janina > > Thanks > -sv > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 1 15:08:28 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:08:28 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: <20041001145717.GF3907@rednote.net> References: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> <1096639418.23234.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041001141046.GE3907@rednote.net> <1096641260.23234.13.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041001145717.GF3907@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1096643308.23234.19.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > > > > What mirror are you using in the above? > Only uncommented in yum.conf is: > > [development] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree > baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ hmm. This is kinda annoying, isn't it. > Too many active elements for the eyes-free user -- 2,571 according to > lynx. Makes it hard to know where one is and what checks belong to what > group, etc. hmm. That makes sense, Bugzilla is a lot busy, even for the sighted user. Can you send me (offlist) the repomd.xml and primary.xml.gz in /var/yum/cache/development/ ? > There has been conversation about fixing this. It's an issue across > F/OSS. -sv From selinux at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 15:34:29 2004 From: selinux at gmail.com (Tom London) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:34:29 -0700 Subject: Rawhide 'yum --exclude=mod-perl\* update oops... Message-ID: <4c4ba153041001083435e732f6@mail.gmail.com> On current rawhide system, attempts to do today's updates via 'yum --exclude=mod_perl\* update produces endless copies of: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument b4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument tom -- Tom London From maxer1 at xmission.com Fri Oct 1 15:32:46 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:32:46 -0600 Subject: er dev update Oct 1 for FC3T2 has login for root but not users Message-ID: <415D789E.5070704@xmission.com> I'm getting a message that my "session only lasted 10 seconds, either you've run out of disk space or you didn't log off." I have created another user (after logging in as root) and that user yields the same response. What broke? :) RaXeT From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 1 15:43:01 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:43:01 -0400 Subject: Rawhide 'yum --exclude=mod-perl\* update oops... In-Reply-To: <4c4ba153041001083435e732f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c4ba153041001083435e732f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096645361.26472.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:34, Tom London wrote: > On current rawhide system, attempts to do today's updates > via 'yum --exclude=mod_perl\* update produces endless > copies of: > > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > b4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument Your rpmdb is broken. -sv From kvogelsa at ccs.neu.edu Fri Oct 1 15:44:25 2004 From: kvogelsa at ccs.neu.edu (Kirk Vogelsang) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3T2 on Dell PE2600 Message-ID: Trying to install Core3 Test2 on a Dell PowerEdge 2600 fails because it can't find the appropriate driver (megaraid) for the LSI PERC raid controller. I tried noprobe, but the LSI MegaRAID driver is not listed. FC3T1 on the same system works without issue. Anyone know of a workaround? ----- Kirk M. Vogelsang Northeastern University College of Computer Science From pnasrat at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 15:33:38 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:33:38 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096642111.7766.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> <1096642111.7766.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096644818.15883.22.camel@anu.eridu> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 10:48 -0400, Joel Rittvo wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 14:21 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > > Background -- Dell Inspiron laptop with Synaptics touchpad. Running > current rawhide, but from updating off FC2. Not a new install. Not > even an upgrade install. Just doing up2date daily and accepting > anything it presented. I have been running with the v13.5 Synaptics > driver for a while. Is that the rawhide driver? rpm -q synaptics > I just added the import line, and then ran system-config-display -- > reconfig. Went out of X and then back. My Synaptics touchpad has taps, > scrolls, pointer acceleration and everything else it used to have with > the Synaptics 13.5 driver module I had compiled from before. Indeed we now package and ship the synaptics driver from http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ > It is a > little jumpy for my taste and it has the edges set in too close to the > center, so dragging a window or highlighting a block of text starts into > too much uncontrolled scrolling before I get things where I want them. Yes, in the future I hope to get system-config-mouse to tune the parameters. I also need to look at wacom tablet support. > But when I look at the new generated xorg.conf (see below), I see a Load > "synaptics" entry in the Module list. What synaptics is it loading? > The one I installed? Or is there one built in now? It's not built in it's an external module in the synaptics package, your Xorg.0.log should show the module load paths. If you don't have our package installed you'll be loading your hand installed module. > If it is the one I > installed, what happens to someone who has not installed this? It's part of the Base distribution, so isn't an issue for a new install. I'll need to test a fc2 -> fc3t3 upgrade too. Worst case I can add a requires in to system-config-display. Paul From selinux at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 15:57:04 2004 From: selinux at gmail.com (Tom London) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:57:04 -0700 Subject: Rawhide 'yum --exclude=mod-perl\* update oops... In-Reply-To: <1096645361.26472.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <4c4ba153041001083435e732f6@mail.gmail.com> <1096645361.26472.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <4c4ba153041001085728ed0bae@mail.gmail.com> Understood. Any idea how? Haven't been doing anything different.... How to fix? Tried 'rpmdb --rebuilddb' and 'rpmdb --initdb' both to no avial. thanks, tom On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:43:01 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:34, Tom London wrote: > > On current rawhide system, attempts to do today's updates > > via 'yum --exclude=mod_perl\* update produces endless > > copies of: > > > > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > b4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > Your rpmdb is broken. > > -sv > > -- Tom London From mister.ribbit at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 16:16:38 2004 From: mister.ribbit at gmail.com (Mister Ribbit) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:16:38 -0700 Subject: ALSA drivers - Intel HD Audio In-Reply-To: <1096569406.2864.11.camel@kyrre> References: <1096541446.2920.1.camel@kyrre> <1096569406.2864.11.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: I'll file a bug in "kernel", I suppose. I tried playing a wave file with aplay, yes. As for volume, alsamixer only shows me two bars with this device, namely master and capture. Turning both all the way up does not help. modprobe does not complain when I install the snd-azx module, and lsmod just shows the snd-azx and all the other snd modules it needs loaded into memory. Nothing fishy. I can't get sounds out of anything, using ALSA or OSS or anything. Thanks! Ciao! Ryan On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:36:47 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Hmm... maybe you should. I would suggest "kernel". > > You said aplay dont complain. Did you give it a file to play? ie. aplay > /path/to/wawe.waw ? In alsamixer, are the volumes turned up? Does > modprobe snd-??? give any messages? lsmod? can you get any sound out of > ogg123? > > Kyrre > > tor, 30.09.2004 kl. 20.22 skrev Mister Ribbit: > > > > A logout/login doesn't seem to fix it. As for aplay, it doesn't > > complain, but I get no sound. > > > > Thanks for the suggestions! Should I try filing a bug somewhere? > > > > Ciao! > > Ryab > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:50:46 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak > > wrote: > > > Try a logout/login of gnome. Can you play soundfiles using the "aplay" > > > or "ogg123" commands from the comandline after loading the modules? If > > > yes, go off editing /etc/modprobe.conf. > > > > > > tor, 30.09.2004 kl. 06.21 skrev Mister Ribbit: > > > > > > > > > > Nobody with any advice? Anyone else have one of these new Intel > > > > motherboards with sound working in FC3T2? > > > > > > > > I've now compiled the alsa-drivers and tried modprobing the azx > > > > driver, which works, and things seem to work (programs don't complain > > > > about no sound card and such), except I hear nothing. alsamixer does > > > > not show the sound muted, so I don't think that's the problem. > > > > system-config-soundcard still says "No soundcards detected." :-( > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Ciao! > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:09:14 -0700, Mister Ribbit > > > > wrote: > > > > > I have the new Intel HD Audio on board my Intel D915GEV motherboard, > > > > > and I'm trying to get it working. I think I can do it if I compile > > > > > the driver that Intel supplies on their web page, but they say that > > > > > the driver has been handed off to the ALSA project, and I've found it > > > > > in the alsa-driver 1.0.6 package (but not 1.0.5). I was wondering if > > > > > FC3 would ship with an updated kernel to have the 1.0.6 driver (or the > > > > > new 1.0.6a) so that it would be working straight out of the box in the > > > > > future. Or, maybe you are on that set of drivers, and somehow have > > > > > lost the azx driver for this hardware. > > > > > > > > From mister.ribbit at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 16:19:04 2004 From: mister.ribbit at gmail.com (Mister Ribbit) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:19:04 -0700 Subject: ALSA drivers - Intel HD Audio In-Reply-To: <1096569990.2702.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096541446.2920.1.camel@kyrre> <1096569990.2702.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I only have a Master, no PCM with this device. Not sure why the mixer is so sparse (I assume because the driver is in its infant stages), but no changes in the mixer seem to help. What do you mean by this being an upstream issue? Thanks! Ciao! Ryan On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:46:30 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 30.09.2004, 11:22 -0700 schrieb Mister Ribbit: > > A logout/login doesn't seem to fix it. As for aplay, it doesn't > > complain, but I get no sound. > > You of course unmuted Master- and PCM-Volume with alsamixer? (Maybe > someone suggested this already, if, please forgive me) > > > Thanks for the suggestions! Should I try filing a bug somewhere? > > I tried this today on another intel board and failed also until now. > Seems merely and upstream issue ATM AFAICS. > > Cu > thl > > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:50:46 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak > > wrote: > > > Try a logout/login of gnome. Can you play soundfiles using the "aplay" > > > or "ogg123" commands from the comandline after loading the modules? If > > > yes, go off editing /etc/modprobe.conf. > > > > > > tor, 30.09.2004 kl. 06.21 skrev Mister Ribbit: > > > > > > > > > > Nobody with any advice? Anyone else have one of these new Intel > > > > motherboards with sound working in FC3T2? > > > > > > > > I've now compiled the alsa-drivers and tried modprobing the azx > > > > driver, which works, and things seem to work (programs don't complain > > > > about no sound card and such), except I hear nothing. alsamixer does > > > > not show the sound muted, so I don't think that's the problem. > > > > system-config-soundcard still says "No soundcards detected." :-( > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Ciao! > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:09:14 -0700, Mister Ribbit > > > > wrote: > > > > > I have the new Intel HD Audio on board my Intel D915GEV motherboard, > > > > > and I'm trying to get it working. I think I can do it if I compile > > > > > the driver that Intel supplies on their web page, but they say that > > > > > the driver has been handed off to the ALSA project, and I've found it > > > > > in the alsa-driver 1.0.6 package (but not 1.0.5). I was wondering if > > > > > FC3 would ship with an updated kernel to have the 1.0.6 driver (or the > > > > > new 1.0.6a) so that it would be working straight out of the box in the > > > > > future. Or, maybe you are on that set of drivers, and somehow have > > > > > lost the azx driver for this hardware. > > > > > > > > > -- > Thorsten Leemhuis > > From janina at rednote.net Fri Oct 1 16:25:54 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:25:54 -0400 Subject: yum info broken In-Reply-To: <1096643308.23234.19.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <20041001140028.GD3907@rednote.net> <1096639418.23234.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041001141046.GE3907@rednote.net> <1096641260.23234.13.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041001145717.GF3907@rednote.net> <1096643308.23234.19.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20041001162554.GA10119@rednote.net> seth vidal writes: > > > > > > What mirror are you using in the above? > > Only uncommented in yum.conf is: > > > > [development] > > name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree > > baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ > > > hmm. This is kinda annoying, isn't it. Well, yes .. But I know nothing has happened to trash the existing installation. Very nice about yum that way. > > > > Too many active elements for the eyes-free user -- 2,571 according to > > lynx. Makes it hard to know where one is and what checks belong to what > > group, etc. > > hmm. That makes sense, Bugzilla is a lot busy, even for the sighted > user. I have hope that it can and will get fixed. We had a conversation about this during Guadec. > > Can you send me (offlist) the repomd.xml and primary.xml.gz in > /var/yum/cache/development/ ? Enroute under separate cover, as they say. Janina From JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com Fri Oct 1 16:31:24 2004 From: JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com (Joel Rittvo) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:31:24 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096644818.15883.22.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> <1096642111.7766.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096644818.15883.22.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1096648284.13397.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 16:33 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 10:48 -0400, Joel Rittvo wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 14:21 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > > > > > Background -- Dell Inspiron laptop with Synaptics touchpad. Running > > current rawhide, but from updating off FC2. Not a new install. Not > > even an upgrade install. Just doing up2date daily and accepting > > anything it presented. I have been running with the v13.5 Synaptics > > driver for a while. > > Is that the rawhide driver? rpm -q synaptics No. I had grabbed the source from telia.com and built it a few months ago. I'm actually running their 13.4. rpm -q synaptics says not installed, which is correct. > > I just added the import line, and then ran system-config-display -- > > reconfig. Went out of X and then back. My Synaptics touchpad has taps, > > scrolls, pointer acceleration and everything else it used to have with > > the Synaptics 13.5 driver module I had compiled from before. > > Indeed we now package and ship the synaptics driver from > http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ This is good news! I will remove what I built, grab the rpm from rawhide and install it instead. And I'll try feeding my current options into the new xorg.conf as well. I assume that will take care of the comments below . . . > > It is a > > little jumpy for my taste and it has the edges set in too close to the > > center, so dragging a window or highlighting a block of text starts into > > too much uncontrolled scrolling before I get things where I want them. > > Yes, in the future I hope to get system-config-mouse to tune the > parameters. I also need to look at wacom tablet support. > > > But when I look at the new generated xorg.conf (see below), I see a Load > > "synaptics" entry in the Module list. What synaptics is it loading? > > The one I installed? Or is there one built in now? > > It's not built in it's an external module in the synaptics package, your > Xorg.0.log should show the module load paths. If you don't have our > package installed you'll be loading your hand installed module. > > > If it is the one I > > installed, what happens to someone who has not installed this? > > It's part of the Base distribution, so isn't an issue for a new install. > I'll need to test a fc2 -> fc3t3 upgrade too. Worst case I can add a > requires in to system-config-display. For what it is worth, it was happy to use the version I had built on my own, but it would be great if it could "hook" into starting the use of the rpm version you have now, even if just by noting that such a thing is now available. This is the second or third nice new component I would have missed (NetworkManager is another) by sticking to my "manual" updating method if I wasn't getting info from this list. Thank you for these improvements! Joel From lfarkas at bppiac.hu Fri Oct 1 16:46:40 2004 From: lfarkas at bppiac.hu (Farkas Levente) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:46:40 +0200 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096644818.15883.22.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> <1096642111.7766.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096644818.15883.22.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <415D89F0.9030206@bppiac.hu> Paul Nasrat wrote: >>I just added the import line, and then ran system-config-display -- >>reconfig. Went out of X and then back. My Synaptics touchpad has taps, >>scrolls, pointer acceleration and everything else it used to have with >>the Synaptics 13.5 driver module I had compiled from before. > > > Indeed we now package and ship the synaptics driver from > http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ thanks for it finally!!!:-))) -- Levente "Si vis pacem para bellum!" From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 1 16:58:47 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:58:47 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096630476.3957.121.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D3BA0.1080508@sbcglobal.net> <1096630476.3957.121.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <415D8CC7.9060000@sbcglobal.net> Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Paul Nasrat wrote: >> >>>The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not >>>had any reports on how it's been recieved. >>> > > >>I still have psmouse.proto=imps in the grub.conf file. Tapping and the >>scrollbar work with this command. > > > Yes but this will dis Then I'll setup a boot option to boot w/o proto in it. > >>I have synaptics-0.13.5-5 installed, but don't know how to setup >>xorg.conf manually. A previous attempt configuring made X not startup. > > > system-config-display --reconfig should set up, as should anaconda. I'm > aware that you have other issues with this atm. Was this a fresh > install? > I believe this was a severn installation, then skipping devel after installing FC1, then upgraded to FC2 and finally trying FC3T2. I'll backup the xorg.conf, then try the s-c-display --reconfig and see if things get setup correctly for the Synaptics touchpad. The issues w/ anaconda and s-c-display are on a different machine. This one should reconfig safely. Setting 24 depth is the killer for the HP with the VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1 Graphics controller. > >>grep Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices >>N: Name="ImPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" > > > I should have asked for the full output of this file, as some laptops > report two pointers (one for the nipple). > > Paul > cat /proc/bus/input/devices I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0005 Version=0000 N: Name="ImPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 H: Handlers=mouse0 event0 B: EV=7 B: KEY=70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: REL=103 I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41 N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" P: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0 H: Handlers=kbd event1 B: EV=120003 B: KEY=4 2000000 3802078 f840d001 f2ffffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe B: LED=7 Jim -- You had mail, but the super-user read it, and deleted it! From kaboom at gatech.edu Fri Oct 1 17:06:34 2004 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3T2 on Dell PE2600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Kirk Vogelsang wrote: > Trying to install Core3 Test2 on a Dell PowerEdge 2600 fails > because it can't find the appropriate driver (megaraid) for > the LSI PERC raid controller. I tried noprobe, but the LSI > MegaRAID driver is not listed. > > FC3T1 on the same system works without issue. > > Anyone know of a workaround? Use the post FC3test2 tree, and you'll find the new megaraid drivers are included.... later, chris From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 17:17:07 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:17:07 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update Message-ID: Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker dbus-daemon-1: Unknown username "root" in message bus configuration file Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker kernel: dbus-daemon-1[3245]: segfault at 000000000059f000 rip 0000002a957f29fe rsp 0000 007fbfffef18 error 6 Oc From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 17:18:08 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:18:08 -0400 Subject: smbd startup error w/ today's update (new) Message-ID: Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker smbd[3203]: [2004/10/01 13:13:52, 0] printing/nt_printing.c:nt_printing_init(383) Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker smbd[3203]: nt_printing_init: error checking published printers: WERR_ACCESS_DENIED From linxt at comcast.net Fri Oct 1 17:54:07 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:54:07 -0700 Subject: Kmail 1.7 problem In-Reply-To: <200410011741.03314@erwin.ingo-kloecker.de> References: <200409301432.39959.linxt@comcast.net> <200410011741.03314@erwin.ingo-kloecker.de> Message-ID: <200410011054.07067.linxt@comcast.net> On Friday 01 October 2004 08:41, Ingo Kl?cker wrote: > On Thursday 30 September 2004 23:32, Tom Taylor wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > Kmail 1.7 (Using KDE 3.3.0-2 Red Hat) > > Fedora Core 3 test 2 > > kernel 2.6.8-1.541smp > > > > Since I'm using a test distro I'll also send this to FC-test list. > > > > Once I managed to get the configuration setup correctly the program > > works fine as far as up/downloading mail. The problem I've > > encountered is in trying to change the headers view. > > > > Under the 'View' menu, the headers item is grayed out and there is no > > way to go into 'Settings-Kmail' and change the type of headers to > > display (long, fancy, standard, etc). > > Hmm, that shouldn't happen and, in fact, here it's not grayed out. > > > To try to bypass this lack, I tried 'Settings-Configure Toolbars', > > adding "Show All message headers" and "Show long list of message > > headers" to the toolbar. > > > > The first time I clicked on "Show all message headers", it seemed to > > work properly, expanding the header list from "long headers" to "all > > headers". The problem presents when I clicked on "Show long message > > headers" and received a signal 11 (SIGSEGV) message and the program > > bombed. I'm attaching the backtrace log for review. > > I think you forgot something. ;-) You might want to add "attaching" to > the keywords which indicate your intention to attach a file (in > Composer->Attachments configuration). Ahhh, the foibles of getting old and foggy brained! Heres the file I meant to send originally. Thanks, Tom > > > Should I try reloading just Kmail, all KDE, or ?? > > Let's first have a look at the backtrace. > > Regards, > Ingo -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 -------------- next part -------------- Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread -151185088 (LWP 2902)] [KCrash handler] #4 0x05e242a1 in KMReaderWin::setHeaderStyleAndStrategy () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #5 0x05f4da74 in KMMainWidget::slotLongHeaders () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #6 0x05f5ff5a in KMMainWidget::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0 #7 0x0474c3fe in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #8 0x0474cad4 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #9 0x04ce1769 in KAction::activated () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #10 0x04cf29da in KToggleAction::slotActivated () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #11 0x04cf2a59 in KRadioAction::slotActivated () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #12 0x04cf2ad9 in KToggleAction::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #13 0x04cf2d7b in KRadioAction::qt_invoke () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 #14 0x0474c387 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #15 0x0474cad4 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #16 0x04a845e0 in QButton::clicked () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #17 0x047dc047 in QButton::mouseReleaseEvent () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #18 0x0478235a in QWidget::event () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #19 0x046ed849 in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #20 0x046eda89 in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #21 0x001ef4e8 in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #22 0x0468c9de in QETWidget::translateMouseEvent () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #23 0x0468b278 in QApplication::x11ProcessEvent () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #24 0x0469d686 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #25 0x04702e85 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #26 0x04702dde in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #27 0x046eca4b in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #28 0x0804a2f8 in ?? () #29 0xfee45410 in ?? () #30 0xfee45320 in ?? () #31 0x00000000 in ?? () #32 0x00000000 in ?? () #33 0x007b166e in sbrk () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #34 0x0070aac3 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #35 0x0804a089 in ?? () From len.brown at intel.com Fri Oct 1 18:10:21 2004 From: len.brown at intel.com (Brown, Len) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:10:21 -0400 Subject: LVM vs kernel.org - VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2, 0) Message-ID: As of FC3-T2 and RHEL4-Beta1, my kernel.org kernels no longer boot on Red Hat systems. Looks like root is now owned by LVM. So I added a bunch of LVM type thingies to my .config (below) but apparently it isn't that simple. Can anybody tell me how to A. make RH stop using LVM and work like it did before? or B. make kernel.org kernels understand RH installations? Sorry if I missed a big news flash, I'll happily RTFM if somebody can point me to it. thanks, -Len ---------- md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: autorun ... md: ... autorun DONE. Root-NFS: No NFS server available, giving up. VFS: Unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy. VFS: Cannot open root device "VolGroup00/LogVol00" or unknown-block(2,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0) ----------------- # # Multi-device support (RAID and LVM) # CONFIG_MD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=y CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=y CONFIG_MD_RAID0=y CONFIG_MD_RAID1=y CONFIG_MD_RAID10=y CONFIG_MD_RAID5=y CONFIG_MD_RAID6=y CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=y CONFIG_DM_CRYPT=y CONFIG_DM_SNAPSHOT=y CONFIG_DM_MIRROR=y CONFIG_DM_ZERO=y From JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com Fri Oct 1 18:09:57 2004 From: JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com (Joel Rittvo) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:09:57 -0400 Subject: dbus warning/failure Message-ID: <1096654197.5872.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> I sent this first to the devel-list in error. Sorry, I'm learning . . . After this morning's updates . . . >From boot.log: Oct 1 13:35:33 LINUX readahead: Starting background readahead: Oct 1 13:35:33 LINUX rc: Starting readahead: succeeded Oct 1 13:35:35 LINUX dbus-daemon-1: Unknown username "root" in message bus configuration file Oct 1 13:35:35 LINUX messagebus: messagebus startup failed Oct 1 13:35:37 LINUX cups-config-daemon: Oct 1 13:35:37 LINUX cups-config-daemon: ** (process:4733): WARNING **: DbusConfigDaemon: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory Oct 1 13:35:37 LINUX cups-config-daemon: cups-config-daemon startup succeeded Oct 1 13:35:38 LINUX haldaemon: haldaemon startup succeeded Oct 1 13:35:43 LINUX rc: Starting webmin: succeeded Finishes booting and runs fine as far as I can tell. I don't have a printer set up yet -- maybe that has something to do with this? -- Joel Rittvo From jim at jbsys.com Fri Oct 1 18:13:05 2004 From: jim at jbsys.com (James C. Bevier) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:13:05 -0700 Subject: gnome now has two panels Message-ID: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and one at the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I just get back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be affected. Jim From ben.steeves at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 18:27:30 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:27:30 -0300 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> Message-ID: <7ebb24d10410011127228d4f8f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:13:05 -0700, James C. Bevier wrote: > With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and one at > the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I just get > back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be affected. Right-click on the background of the panel and select "Delete this panel...". You might want to move the stuff on the panel to be deleted to the other panel first (just click and drag it). -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 19:20:01 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:20:01 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096658401.20470.0.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> John just found and fixed the segfault (a double-free), but there's still issues with the "Unknown username" stuff. Dan On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:17 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker dbus-daemon-1: Unknown username "root" in message > bus configuration file > Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker kernel: dbus-daemon-1[3245]: segfault at > 000000000059f000 rip 0000002a957f29fe rsp 0000 > 007fbfffef18 error 6 > Oc > From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 19:32:33 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:32:33 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update References: <1096658401.20470.0.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: Dan Williams wrote: > John just found and fixed the segfault (a double-free), but there's > still issues with the "Unknown username" stuff. > > Dan > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:17 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker dbus-daemon-1: Unknown username "root" in message >> bus configuration file >> Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker kernel: dbus-daemon-1[3245]: segfault at >> 000000000059f000 rip 0000002a957f29fe rsp 0000 >> 007fbfffef18 error 6 >> Oc >> > This is pretty serious - please post as soon as a fix is available. Thanks. From micwise at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 1 19:36:01 2004 From: micwise at bellsouth.net (micwise at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:36:01 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update Message-ID: <20041001193601.IOWL1719.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> > > From: "Neal D. Becker" > Date: 2004/10/01 Fri PM 03:32:33 EDT > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update > > Dan Williams wrote: > > > John just found and fixed the segfault (a double-free), but there's > > still issues with the "Unknown username" stuff. > > > > Dan > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:17 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > >> Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker dbus-daemon-1: Unknown username "root" in message > >> bus configuration file > >> Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker kernel: dbus-daemon-1[3245]: segfault at > >> 000000000059f000 rip 0000002a957f29fe rsp 0000 > >> 007fbfffef18 error 6 > >> Oc > >> > > > > This is pretty serious - please post as soon as a fix is available. Thanks. > I downgraded glibc and that seemed to fix the Unknown user issue. Michael From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 1 20:00:44 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:00:44 +0200 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <200410010828.17894.lsomike@futzin.com> References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> <200410010828.17894.lsomike@futzin.com> Message-ID: <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 15.28 skrev Mike Klinke: > On Friday 01 October 2004 07:58, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > How many here agrees that having one boring default screensaver > > would be the best? > > > > Kyrre > > > > Personnally, I like a variety on those admittedly few times that I > even enable the screesaver. Heck, I even rotate my desktop images > every 45 minutes between the current daily images from "Astronomy > Picture of the Day", "National Geographic Picture of the Day" and > "EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would > be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to > change to whatever your preferences dictate. > > Regards, Mike Klinke Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... From arjanv at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 20:25:47 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:25:47 +0200 Subject: LVM vs kernel.org - VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2, 0) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096662347.5565.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 20:10, Brown, Len wrote: > As of FC3-T2 and RHEL4-Beta1, my kernel.org kernels > no longer boot on Red Hat systems. > > Looks like root is now owned by LVM. So I > added a bunch of LVM type thingies to my .config (below) > but apparently it isn't that simple. you did make an initrd for your kernel.org kernel, right ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's be clear... to which glibc package version did you downgrade to? -jef From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 1 21:10:30 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:10:30 -0400 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: sounds like a challenge ;O on 10/01/2004 4:00 PM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak at kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: > fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 15.28 skrev Mike Klinke: >> On Friday 01 October 2004 07:58, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >> >>> >>> How many here agrees that having one boring default screensaver >>> would be the best? >>> >>> Kyrre >>> >> >> Personnally, I like a variety on those admittedly few times that I >> even enable the screesaver. Heck, I even rotate my desktop images >> every 45 minutes between the current daily images from "Astronomy >> Picture of the Day", "National Geographic Picture of the Day" and >> "EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would >> be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to >> change to whatever your preferences dictate. >> >> Regards, Mike Klinke > > Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 21:23:30 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:23:30 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update In-Reply-To: <604aa79104100113564dd8b099@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041001193601.IOWL1719.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <604aa79104100113564dd8b099@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096665810.20470.9.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Hi, -62 seems to have the problem, and it is a glibc issue (the Unknown user stuff) which triggered a problem in dbus. We fixed the dbus issue which was causing the crash, but 'nscd' is still returning bad info to dbus which causes the Unknown user thing. Uli supposedly fixed the glibc/nscd issue, but we wont' know until we are able to build a glibc with the fix and test it out. Dan On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 16:56 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:36:01 -0400, micwise at bellsouth.net > wrote: > > I downgraded glibc and that seemed to fix the Unknown user issue. > > that's interesting.... i tried that and it didnt help for me. > Let's be clear... to which glibc package version did you downgrade to? > > > -jef > From gstool at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 21:29:26 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:29:26 -0500 Subject: hald not running, says it starts, but still not running Message-ID: <1096666166.3503.8.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> When I open Preferences > Removable Storage, an Error box opens saying Volume Management not Supported. The "hald" service is required, but not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this applet ... When I go to System Settings > Server Settings > Services, haldaemon is checked, but Status is "hald is stopped." When I click on Start, an Information box says "haldaemon start successful", but Status still indicates "hald is stopped." This is a recently installed FC3T2 Personal Desktop install with all updates available as of 10/1/04 4:23pm CDT installed. This is probably the root cause of not being able to mount a CD as noted in an earlier post. Any suggestions? Thanks. Gerry Tool From micwise at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 1 21:31:55 2004 From: micwise at bellsouth.net (micwise at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:31:55 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update Message-ID: <20041001213154.BTMN1789.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> > > From: Jeff Spaleta > Date: 2004/10/01 Fri PM 04:56:09 EDT > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Subject: Re: Re: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:36:01 -0400, micwise at bellsouth.net > wrote: > > I downgraded glibc and that seemed to fix the Unknown user issue. > > that's interesting.... i tried that and it didnt help for me. > Let's be clear... to which glibc package version did you downgrade to? > > It was glibc-2.3.3-59. Sorry I left that info out in my first message. I upgraded to glibc-2.3.3-61 again to be sure and it gave the unknown user again. I once again downgraded to -59 and the problem went away. Michael From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 1 21:54:45 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:54:45 +0200 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096667685.5441.2.camel@kyrre> Which leaves me with two options: - Begin to harvest the pover of /etc/skel - Bich the fedora developers... fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 23.10 skrev TGS: > sounds like a challenge ;O > > on 10/01/2004 4:00 PM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak at kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: > > > fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 15.28 skrev Mike Klinke: > >> On Friday 01 October 2004 07:58, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> How many here agrees that having one boring default screensaver > >>> would be the best? > >>> > >>> Kyrre > >>> > >> > >> Personnally, I like a variety on those admittedly few times that I > >> even enable the screesaver. Heck, I even rotate my desktop images > >> every 45 minutes between the current daily images from "Astronomy > >> Picture of the Day", "National Geographic Picture of the Day" and > >> "EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would > >> be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to > >> change to whatever your preferences dictate. > >> > >> Regards, Mike Klinke > > > > Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... From alan at clueserver.org Fri Oct 1 21:07:24 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <1096667685.5441.2.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Which leaves me with two options: > - Begin to harvest the pover of /etc/skel > - Bich the fedora developers... Just changing the screensaver is not a solution. Finding out *why* the hang is occuring is much more useful. As for "single boring screensavers", I get more people to try Linux after seeing the screensavers than any other factor. Think of them like an attract screen on a video game. (Without having to worry about losing all your quarters.) > > fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 23.10 skrev TGS: > > sounds like a challenge ;O > > > > on 10/01/2004 4:00 PM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak at kyrre at solution-forge.net wrote: > > > > > fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 15.28 skrev Mike Klinke: > > >> On Friday 01 October 2004 07:58, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> How many here agrees that having one boring default screensaver > > >>> would be the best? > > >>> > > >>> Kyrre > > >>> > > >> > > >> Personnally, I like a variety on those admittedly few times that I > > >> even enable the screesaver. Heck, I even rotate my desktop images > > >> every 45 minutes between the current daily images from "Astronomy > > >> Picture of the Day", "National Geographic Picture of the Day" and > > >> "EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would > > >> be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to > > >> change to whatever your preferences dictate. > > >> > > >> Regards, Mike Klinke > > > > > > Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... > > From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 1 22:08:47 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:08:47 -0400 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> <200410010828.17894.lsomike@futzin.com> <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041001220847.GC17959@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:00:44PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > "EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would > > be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to > > change to whatever your preferences dictate. > > > > Regards, Mike Klinke > > Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... Its actually not too horrific to do with properties that are gconf based for i in $USERLIST do su - -c gconftool-2 blah -- $i done Alan From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 1 23:03:18 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:03:18 -0600 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre>; from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:00:44PM +0200 References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> <200410010828.17894.lsomike@futzin.com> <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041001170318.B16757@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:00:44PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver look for 'programs*'. Those using GL are clearly marked. Michal From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 23:08:42 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal Becker) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:08:42 -0400 Subject: dovecot imap broken Message-ID: After today's updates dovecot imap seems to be broken. This was working - Oct 1 19:07:58 rpppc1 imap-login: Login: nbecker [10.4.0.3] Oct 1 19:07:58 rpppc1 imap(nbecker): Trying to allocate 0 bytes Oct 1 19:07:58 rpppc1 dovecot: child 11061 (imap) killed with signal 6 From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Fri Oct 1 23:14:09 2004 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 01:14:09 +0200 Subject: evolution 2 doesn't highlight the strings in the search results Message-ID: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just to check if it's my setup or not. Does anyone see this behaviour? In Evolution Search the body contents of messages for a string. In the messages containing the string, the string used to be highlighted in purple (evolution 1.4.x), but in evo2 I don't see them highlighted anymore. I'll file a bug if anybody confirms Tino From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Fri Oct 1 23:17:54 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:17:54 -0400 Subject: unknown users? [was dbus-daemon segfault......] In-Reply-To: <604aa79104100113564dd8b099@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041001193601.IOWL1719.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <604aa79104100113564dd8b099@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041001231754.GA4772@wolves.durham.nc.us> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 04:56:09PM -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:36:01 -0400, micwise at bellsouth.net > wrote: > > I downgraded glibc and that seemed to fix the Unknown user issue. > > that's interesting.... i tried that and it didnt help for me. > Let's be clear... to which glibc package version did you downgrade to? There is now a bug with gdm (or maybe glibc) not finding NIS based users with glibc -61. Perhaps they didn't really swat the NIS or passwd bug (133982) -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 2 01:29:28 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:29:28 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <415D6088.7000907@arcor.de> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <415D5991.2030905@arcor.de> <1096636912.15883.15.camel@anu.eridu> <415D6088.7000907@arcor.de> Message-ID: <415E0478.9040301@sbcglobal.net> D. Stolte wrote: > yes, i also found this missing part. it is working now. > > /ds > > Paul Nasrat wrote: > >> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:20 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: >> >> >> >>> Versuche mit Karte: ATI Rage Mobility >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "/usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py", line 329, in ? >>> mouse = rhpl.mouse.Mouse() >>> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mouse' >> >> >> >> can you add >> >> import rhpl.mouse >> >> To /usr/share/system-config/display/xconf.py below the rhpl.keyboard >> import, and retry. >> >> Paul >> >> > After adding the line above to xcong.py as suggested and running the s-c-display --reconfig, I was able to successfully generate a working xorg.conf file. This is without psmouse.proto=imps added to grub.conf. The tapping and scrolling work similar as before w/ the option in grub.conf. The rawhide synaptics rpm was downloaded when this was running fc2. synaptics-0.13.5-5 Attached is the s-c-display generated xorg.conf file. Jim -- You had mail, but the super-user read it, and deleted it! -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: xorg.conf URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 2 02:14:55 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:14:55 -0400 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> <200410010828.17894.lsomike@futzin.com> <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <415E0F1F.7030806@sbcglobal.net> Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > fre, 01.10.2004 kl. 15.28 skrev Mike Klinke: > >>On Friday 01 October 2004 07:58, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >> >> >>>How many here agrees that having one boring default screensaver >>>would be the best? >>> >>>Kyrre >>> >> >>Personnally, I like a variety on those admittedly few times that I >>even enable the screesaver. Heck, I even rotate my desktop images >>every 45 minutes between the current daily images from "Astronomy >>Picture of the Day", "National Geographic Picture of the Day" and >>"EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would >>be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to >>change to whatever your preferences dictate. >> >>Regards, Mike Klinke > > > Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... > With the fc3t1 clean installation that I performed recently, the screensaver was set to blank the screen. Regarding the resource hungry screensavers, they impress those that are not familiar with Linux. Running another "windows has it too" application just gets an "oh" type of response. I think that hardware ought to be able to take the extra stressing without falling out. The don't run certain apps because they'll kill your server do not seem to be methods that should have to be resorted to. Changing 500 users screensavers does not sound like a task that I'd enjoy. :-) Jim -- You had mail, but the super-user read it, and deleted it! From ehoover at mines.edu Sat Oct 2 02:43:49 2004 From: ehoover at mines.edu (Erich Hoover) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:43:49 -0600 Subject: Problem with USB flashdisk (used to work) and kernel dump on reboot Message-ID: <415E15E5.7000501@mines.edu> I'm getting some problems after all the recent development updates. 1) My usb flashdisk will no longer mount (it works in other computers and it used to work before the updates), it reports: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, or too many mounted file systems 2) When I try to reboot the kernel gets all the way shutdown until the very final reboot operation and then it dumps - is there a way I can get a log from this? It looks like all logging has been disabled by the time the kernel gets to this point (especially since it's already unmounted by hard drive). Running on an ASUS SK8N w/ an FX-53 under x86-64 mode. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From talbotscott at cox.net Sat Oct 2 03:30:16 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:30:16 -0700 Subject: evolution 2 doesn't highlight the strings in the search results In-Reply-To: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096687816.11924.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 01:14 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > Just to check if it's my setup or not. > Does anyone see this behaviour? > > In Evolution > > Search the body contents of messages for a string. > In the messages containing the string, the string used to be highlighted > in purple (evolution 1.4.x), but in evo2 I don't see them highlighted > anymore. > > I'll file a bug if anybody confirms > > Tino I can confirm this. I'm sure it worked last week though. Tried changing themes, as that will affect some apps and still no sign of a highlight. Scott From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 2 03:34:33 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:34:33 -0400 Subject: Upgrading From Intel x86 To Athlon 64 Message-ID: <1096688073.11869.10.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> I'm almost ready to attempt booting my new Athlon 64 3500+ system. This is on an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard. I've been using Fedora Core 2 (x86 version) on my old Intel system and want to move it onto the new motherboard and upgrade to Fedora Core 2 (x86_64 version). Has anyone done this? Will it work? The motherboard has 4 SATA connectors, and I'm thinking of getting an PATA-to-SATA adapter and using the SATA1 connector for the Fedora Core drive. Will using SATA cause problems at installation time? Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From alan at clueserver.org Sat Oct 2 02:46:13 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Upgrading From Intel x86 To Athlon 64 In-Reply-To: <1096688073.11869.10.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I'm almost ready to attempt booting my new Athlon 64 3500+ system. This > is on an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard. I've been using Fedora Core > 2 (x86 version) on my old Intel system and want to move it onto the new > motherboard and upgrade to Fedora Core 2 (x86_64 version). Has anyone > done this? Will it work? Can you do this? Maybe. Should you do this? No. Build the system on a new drive with a version built for the AMD64 and then move data over as needed. Otherwise you will not get thefull benifits of the AMD64. (If it will work at all. Memtest86 reboots continually on my AMD64 laptop.) > The motherboard has 4 SATA connectors, and I'm thinking of getting an > PATA-to-SATA adapter and using the SATA1 connector for the Fedora Core > drive. Will using SATA cause problems at installation time? Depends on the chipset. http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html has status of various sata chipsets. You may also run into some interesting problems with Yum updates. The AMD64 version will install both i386 packages and x86_64 (i.e. AMD64) packages. This causes yum (and other package managers) to become "confused". Hopefully this will get resolved soon. up2date handles it better, but still gets confused at times. From mwiktowy at gmx.net Sat Oct 2 04:31:13 2004 From: mwiktowy at gmx.net (Michael Wiktowy) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:31:13 -0400 Subject: parallel port setup in this brave new udev world? In-Reply-To: <20041002034243.487E173EE8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041002034243.487E173EE8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1096691473.3300.14.camel@localhost> I have a parallel port scanner that has traditionally been pointed at /dev/parport0 (call me a savage if you want ... but it hasn't died yet so I haven't bought a newfangled usb one) However, that device is nowhere to be found so I cannot use the udev permissions file to set the permissions on the device so that regular users can use xsane (and avoid the scolding for using xsane as root) Oddly enough, root can run xsane fine eventhough there is no device for it to find ... Three questions that I hope someone can enlighten me on: 1) Is there a missing KERNEL="parport*", NAME="%n", SYMLINK="parport%e" line in the rules file for udev? 2) Why is it that root can find the parport device fine eventhough it does not seem to exist? i.e. the scanner is detected and runs fine while regular users can't find the scanner. 3) How does one cause udevd to reread and reapply the rules/permissions in the etc files other than rebooting? "service udevd restart", "udevd", "udevstart" all give me no joy. Thanks. /Mike From carl.gherardi at nautronix.com.au Sat Oct 2 05:43:03 2004 From: carl.gherardi at nautronix.com.au (Carl Gherardi) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:43:03 +0800 Subject: Evolution core dumps Message-ID: <1096695783.20931.1.camel@coeus> Hey all, I'm getting some pretty random crashes with evolution at the moment. I've got the debug-info installed, how do I switch on core dumps to get a trace for bugzilla? 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Please ensure that you run virus checking software on all e-mail messages and attachments before reading them. From fedora at leemhuis.info Sat Oct 2 09:20:57 2004 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:20:57 +0200 Subject: ALSA drivers - Intel HD Audio In-Reply-To: References: <1096541446.2920.1.camel@kyrre> <1096569990.2702.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096708857.2703.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Freitag, den 01.10.2004, 09:19 -0700 schrieb Mister Ribbit: > I only have a Master, no PCM with this device. Odd. Don't know if this is normal with hdaudio. >[...] > What do you mean by this being an upstream issue? Means: I think (but may be wrong) nobody at redhat or from the fedora community will do anything about it ATM. So it's better to file a bug at the kernel bugzilla course there is no driver for it in the kernel ATM. But thats also not the best idea (I think) course the alsa people are working on audio-drivers in the kernel and they also have a Bug-tracking system online -- so there may be the best place. But maybe even that is wasted time as it seems they are working on azalia-drivers already. And if they are ready they will land in the kernel sooner or later, and then they'll land in fedora sooner or later on it own. ;-) HTH CU thl > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:46:30 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis > wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, den 30.09.2004, 11:22 -0700 schrieb Mister Ribbit: > > > A logout/login doesn't seem to fix it. As for aplay, it doesn't > > > complain, but I get no sound. > > > > You of course unmuted Master- and PCM-Volume with alsamixer? (Maybe > > someone suggested this already, if, please forgive me) > > > > > Thanks for the suggestions! Should I try filing a bug somewhere? > > > > I tried this today on another intel board and failed also until now. > > Seems merely and upstream issue ATM AFAICS. > > > > Cu > > thl > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:50:46 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak > > > wrote: > > > > Try a logout/login of gnome. Can you play soundfiles using the "aplay" > > > > or "ogg123" commands from the comandline after loading the modules? If > > > > yes, go off editing /etc/modprobe.conf. > > > > > > > > tor, 30.09.2004 kl. 06.21 skrev Mister Ribbit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody with any advice? Anyone else have one of these new Intel > > > > > motherboards with sound working in FC3T2? > > > > > > > > > > I've now compiled the alsa-drivers and tried modprobing the azx > > > > > driver, which works, and things seem to work (programs don't complain > > > > > about no sound card and such), except I hear nothing. alsamixer does > > > > > not show the sound muted, so I don't think that's the problem. > > > > > system-config-soundcard still says "No soundcards detected." :-( > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > Ciao! > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:09:14 -0700, Mister Ribbit > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I have the new Intel HD Audio on board my Intel D915GEV motherboard, > > > > > > and I'm trying to get it working. I think I can do it if I compile > > > > > > the driver that Intel supplies on their web page, but they say that > > > > > > the driver has been handed off to the ALSA project, and I've found it > > > > > > in the alsa-driver 1.0.6 package (but not 1.0.5). I was wondering if > > > > > > FC3 would ship with an updated kernel to have the 1.0.6 driver (or the > > > > > > new 1.0.6a) so that it would be working straight out of the box in the > > > > > > future. Or, maybe you are on that set of drivers, and somehow have > > > > > > lost the azx driver for this hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thorsten Leemhuis > > > > > -- Thorsten Leemhuis From manu at kromtek.com Sat Oct 2 10:27:45 2004 From: manu at kromtek.com (Manu Abraham) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:27:45 +0400 Subject: ipchains Message-ID: <200410021427.45876.manu@kromtek.com> Hi, I know this is off the topic, but the ipchains-devel rpm seems to be missing the libiptc.h, libipq.h headers.. Manu From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Oct 2 11:48:21 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:48:21 +0200 Subject: FC3test1: X / display hangs after overnight inactivity In-Reply-To: <20041001220847.GC17959@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <3de8e1f704100102356c35d5ba@mail.gmail.com> <1096635479.2693.229.camel@kyrre> <200410010828.17894.lsomike@futzin.com> <1096660844.5441.0.camel@kyrre> <20041001220847.GC17959@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1096717700.2690.11.camel@kyrre> Ahh thanks. Ill try it, but i think i try creating a "sane defaults" user, (with some special shortcuts on the desktop, changing the default startpage etc etc), put it in my little special skel folder, and copying that to all the users. Somone mentioned: Its to impress those who nevers saw Linux before. Sure, its very impressing - or would be if most installs came with gl-accelrated graphics out-of-the-box. And *very* little impressing when it crashes your "incrashable" Linux pc (seems like it happens on _some_ computers due to bad drivers crashing the card or something). And then the was the "GLsnake" discussion on fedora-users-list a while ago. So in my opinion: include all the _great_ screensavers, but don't turn them on by default. Then those who are so lucky to have an out-of-the-box supported ATI or the "evil" nvidia-drivers, can surely find their way to turn'em back on. Now if mesa indirect only had been really fast... To the person mentioning just killing of the gl screensavers: how would that affect rpm? And what would happen when an update is pushed to the repository? Kyrre l?r, 02.10.2004 kl. 00.08 skrev Alan Cox: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:00:44PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > "EarthScience Picture of the Day". So I guess my preference would > > > be no screesavers enabled by default but it's awfully easy to > > > change to whatever your preferences dictate. > > > > > > Regards, Mike Klinke > > > > Try changing the default screensaver of 500 users... > > Its actually not too horrific to do with properties that are gconf based > > for i in $USERLIST > do > su - -c gconftool-2 blah -- $i > done > > Alan From robw at optonline.net Sat Oct 2 11:18:04 2004 From: robw at optonline.net (Robert Wilkens) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:18:04 -0400 Subject: SysVinit unpack error? Message-ID: <0I4Y00APXFE19P@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Greetings, Last night I installed Fedora Core 3 Test 2 with a "minimal installation". This included no GUI or most of the standard tools. I updated the basic set of tools to get me a Gnome Desktop installed with up2date command-line. Anyway, Now that it's installed, many packages, such as evolution, want to install SysVinit.. Specifically, SysVinit-2.85.33.i386.rpm .. When I try to install that (ignoring GPG Keys, because NONE of them work for me), I get an unpack error, specifically, "There was a RPM unpack error installing the package: SysVinit-2.85.33". This prevents a number of libraries and applications from installing. Is this a known issue on this list? At Red-Hat? Thanks, Rob Wilkens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhaney at interactsys.com Sat Oct 2 12:07:25 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:07:25 -0400 Subject: SysVinit unpack error? In-Reply-To: <0I4Y00APXFE19P@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <0I4Y00APXFE19P@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <1096718845.2856.6.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 07:18, Robert Wilkens wrote: > Greetings, > > Last night I installed Fedora Core 3 Test 2 with a "minimal > installation". This included no GUI or most of the standard tools. I > updated the basic set of tools to get me a Gnome Desktop installed > with up2date command-line. > > Anyway, Now that it's installed, many packages, such as evolution, > want to install SysVinit.. Specifically, SysVinit-2.85.33.i386.rpm .. > When I try to install that (ignoring GPG Keys, because NONE of them > work for me), I get an unpack error, specifically, "There was a RPM > unpack error installing the package: SysVinit-2.85.33". This prevents > a number of libraries and applications from installing. > I had the same problem even after cleaning out /var/spool/up2date. I also had the problem on one other package, but I can't remember what it was now and because of it my T2 install is FUBAR and can't tell you what it is. > Is this a known issue on this list? At Red-Hat? > > Thanks, > Rob Wilkens > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 08:06:08 up 13 min, 1 user, load average: 1.51, 1.01, 0.54 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 2 12:18:42 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:18:42 -0400 Subject: Upgrading From Intel x86 To Athlon 64 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096719523.2964.5.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 19:46 -0700, alan wrote: > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > I'm almost ready to attempt booting my new Athlon 64 3500+ system. This > > is on an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard. I've been using Fedora Core > > 2 (x86 version) on my old Intel system and want to move it onto the new > > motherboard and upgrade to Fedora Core 2 (x86_64 version). Has anyone > > done this? Will it work? > > Can you do this? Maybe. > > Should you do this? No. > > Build the system on a new drive with a version built for the AMD64 and > then move data over as needed. Otherwise you will not get thefull > benifits of the AMD64. (If it will work at all. Memtest86 reboots > continually on my AMD64 laptop.) > > > The motherboard has 4 SATA connectors, and I'm thinking of getting an > > PATA-to-SATA adapter and using the SATA1 connector for the Fedora Core > > drive. Will using SATA cause problems at installation time? > > Depends on the chipset. > > http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html has status of various > sata chipsets. > > You may also run into some interesting problems with Yum updates. The > AMD64 version will install both i386 packages and x86_64 (i.e. AMD64) > packages. This causes yum (and other package managers) to become > "confused". Hopefully this will get resolved soon. up2date handles it > better, but still gets confused at times. > > Thanks for the link -- I'm using the NForce3 Ultra chipset. I need a bit more hardware then I can boot for the first time. I do have an extra PATA drive so I'll take your advice and install x86_64 from scratch. Bob > From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 2 13:49:29 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 09:49:29 -0400 Subject: hald not running, says it starts, but still not running In-Reply-To: <1096666166.3503.8.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> References: <1096666166.3503.8.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <415EB1E9.2070403@speakeasy.net> Hi, As root, do this hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes see what you get... Build system reports a new hal package for 10/2 so updating might fix it I haven't done that yet. (otherwise drop back to hal-0.2.98cvs20040923 which works OK) Andrew Gerry Tool wrote: >When I open Preferences > Removable Storage, an Error box opens saying >Volume Management not Supported. The "hald" service is required, but >not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this applet ... > >When I go to System Settings > Server Settings > Services, haldaemon is >checked, but Status is "hald is stopped." When I click on Start, an >Information box says "haldaemon start successful", but Status still >indicates "hald is stopped." > >This is a recently installed FC3T2 Personal Desktop install with all >updates available as of 10/1/04 4:23pm CDT installed. This is probably >the root cause of not being able to mount a CD as noted in an earlier >post. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks. > >Gerry Tool > > > > From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 2 14:05:12 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 10:05:12 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon segfault w/ today's update In-Reply-To: References: <1096658401.20470.0.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <415EB598.6050804@speakeasy.net> Don't know if this will fix it, but check the following: /etc/dbus-1/system.conf the user line should look like this 81 Not root if that's what it says -- Last few days things have been pretty unstable in rawhide so I've been looking for the major gotcha's before taking crippling updates. Plus the 81 is probably the same on everybody's system, but check your /etc/passwd for dbus. Dbus runs under user dbus not root. Andrew Neal D. Becker wrote: >Dan Williams wrote: > > > >>John just found and fixed the segfault (a double-free), but there's >>still issues with the "Unknown username" stuff. >> >>Dan >> >>On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:17 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> >> >>>Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker dbus-daemon-1: Unknown username "root" in message >>>bus configuration file >>>Oct 1 13:13:52 nbecker kernel: dbus-daemon-1[3245]: segfault at >>>000000000059f000 rip 0000002a957f29fe rsp 0000 >>>007fbfffef18 error 6 >>>Oc >>> >>> >>> > >This is pretty serious - please post as soon as a fix is available. Thanks. > > > From jefrat at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 14:34:29 2004 From: jefrat at earthlink.net (Jeff Ratliff) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:34:29 -0400 Subject: some questions regarding FC3t2 release notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041002143429.GA24573@earthlink.net> On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 02:49:45PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > 4) regarding space required for installation: > > "... Minimum for graphical: 192MB ..." > > "... However, due to the necessity of containing the installer image in > RAM, only systems with more than 128MB of RAM (or systems booted from > CD-ROM 1, which contains the installer image) can use the graphical > installer." > > and the correct minimum value would be ... ? > I've always taken this to mean that you need 192 megs for acceptable performance for a graphical system (that is a system with X installed), but that you need 128 megs to run the graphical installer. 128 megs is minimum to use graphical installer. 192 recommended minimum to run a graphical system. It's not tremendously clear, but that's the way I've always read it. I've done graphical installs (of FC2) on a system with 64 megs of memory before, though. I haven't tried it with FC3 test, yet. From rpa4email at rogers.com Sat Oct 2 14:57:10 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 10:57:10 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? Message-ID: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Hello ... (Hi Seth! ) I am having a lot of trouble with 2.1.4-1. They are varied and wide ranging. For example, I have the stock yum.conf and it will proceed with downloading a header while resolving a dependancy, get to 100% then error out with: [Commandline used: yum -d7 --exclude=libbon* update] (The exclude is to exclude the borked libbonoboui with the wrong sized toolbar buttons) Resolving Dependencies 1096727887.4 rhythmbox-0.8.7-2.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 33 kB 00:00 Error: failure: Fedora/RPMS/rhythmbox-0.8.7-2.i386.rpm from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. If it has reached 100%, why would it try another mirror? Also, this version is downloading one header at a time, and exiting without a message. (Er, some of the time.) Resolving Dependencies 1096728021.04 rhythmbox-0.8.7-2.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 33 kB 00:00 [root at localhost]# It is not productive to have it exiting on _every_ header :-) I backed up to 2.1.3-1 for an update and it installed all the rpm's and failed to do any of the post-install stuff. (That has me concerned.) It just stopped. Left it for about a half hour sitting there with nothing happening.) Thanks for your time :) Rob. From rpa4email at rogers.com Sat Oct 2 15:02:00 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: Speaking of yum ... Message-ID: <1096729320.14186.15.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Hi ... Does anybody have a decent list of mirrors for rawhide? The mirrors page shows base but not development. Thanks in advance. Rob. From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Sat Oct 2 15:47:10 2004 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 17:47:10 +0200 Subject: ipchains In-Reply-To: <200410021427.45876.manu@kromtek.com> References: <200410021427.45876.manu@kromtek.com> Message-ID: <1096732030.9063.32.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Sa, den 02.10.2004 schrieb Manu Abraham um 12:27: > I know this is off the topic, but the ipchains-devel rpm seems to be missing > the libiptc.h, libipq.h headers.. > > Manu You mean iptables and the iptables-devel rpm, don't you? Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | GPG key 1024D/ED695653 1999-07-13 Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 17:46:35 up 2 days, 20:12, load average: 0.52, 0.57, 0.42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Ian From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 16:26:38 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:26:38 -0700 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> > Also, this version is downloading one header at a time, and exiting > without a message. (Er, some of the time.) > > Resolving Dependencies > 1096728021.04 > rhythmbox-0.8.7-2.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 33 kB > 00:00 > [root at localhost]# > > It is not productive to have it exiting on _every_ header :-) Yeah, it has been doing that for me too. I was able to get updates via u2date (mod_perl had to be excluded). -- Bests, Jon ---- ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. >>> ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sat Oct 2 17:41:03 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:41:03 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 09:26 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > > Also, this version is downloading one header at a time, and exiting > > without a message. (Er, some of the time.) > > > > Resolving Dependencies > > 1096728021.04 > > rhythmbox-0.8.7-2.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 33 kB > > 00:00 > > [root at localhost]# > > > > It is not productive to have it exiting on _every_ header :-) > Yeah, it has been doing that for me too. I was able to get updates via > u2date (mod_perl had to be excluded). So it downloads a header then exits too? Can you echo $? immediately after it exits I'm looking for the exit code. I've looked through the downloadheader code and there are no calls to sys.exit anywhere near it. -sv From malcolm at interele.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 2 18:01:18 2004 From: malcolm at interele.demon.co.uk (malcolm) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:01:18 +0100 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question Message-ID: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. Ta mal FC3 Test 2 BTW From danielebartoli at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 18:20:51 2004 From: danielebartoli at gmail.com (Daniele Bartoli) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:20:51 -0700 Subject: Video: Intel 810 / Monitor: Dell 991 Message-ID: <64291a1604100211202494b161@mail.gmail.com> I am somewhat new to the world of Linux. However, I ran into this issue. If I load FC2, I have no video problem. If I load FC3-T2, the video has an issue, being that the video is highly distorted - you can not understand anything in the display as you see many different color lines, etc. Both instances, the video is an Intel 810, which is built onto the motherboard. The monitor is a Dell 991. Any suggestions? From maxer1 at xmission.com Sat Oct 2 18:36:14 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:36:14 -0600 Subject: FC3T2 dev selinux Message-ID: <415EF51E.1030201@xmission.com> I'm turning selinux off. Seeing 260 lines of "access denied" it just too darn noisy for me. RaXeT From cra at WPI.EDU Sat Oct 2 18:37:58 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:37:58 -0400 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20041002183758.GG5537@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:01:18PM +0100, malcolm wrote: > Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 > players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in > the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on > every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - > How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. It is supposed to be plug-and-play... a user logged in locally to the console should just be able to plug something in and have it mount automatically, with icons appearing on the desktop, etc. From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sat Oct 2 18:37:34 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 14:37:34 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 13:41, seth vidal wrote: [snip] > So it downloads a header then exits too? I've been seeing this as well. > Can you echo $? immediately after it exits I'm looking for the exit > code. I get an exit code of 1. > I've looked through the downloadheader code and there are no calls to > sys.exit anywhere near it. Here's another data point for you. Since this problem started (I don't know, maybe 5 days ago?), I've started to use lftp's mirror command to mirror everything under ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/linux/fedora/core/development/i386 with the exception of *debuginfo*.rpm. When I change my yum.conf to point to my local repo, everything works as it should. Weird. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 18:46:21 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:46:21 -0700 Subject: FC3T2 dev selinux In-Reply-To: <415EF51E.1030201@xmission.com> References: <415EF51E.1030201@xmission.com> Message-ID: <2ad7cea1041002114678e122ec@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:36:14 -0600, maxer1 wrote: > I'm turning selinux off. Seeing 260 lines of "access denied" it just too > darn noisy for me. > > RaXeT Just my 2 cents worth: Perhaps you should share that output with the selinux-list? I'm not getting any noticable amount of those on my FC3 Test 2 system (but) the developers need to know what errors are being created so that they can be fixed. -- Bests, Jon ---- ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. >>> ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > From malcolm at interele.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 2 18:59:33 2004 From: malcolm at interele.demon.co.uk (malcolm) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:59:33 +0100 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1096743574.10474.9.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> It does sort of plug and play If I plug my mp3 player into the usb port a USB Drive icon appears in the 'computer' window. if I double click on it I get a message that says Unable to mount the selected volume - If I click on the details it says mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk If I open a console and su to root I can mount it OK - fstab says /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat noauto,console,exec,managed,noatime,sync 0 0 if I stuff 'users' in the options list I can then mount it as a user but if I physically remove it and add it again whatever automogically does the fstab goes back to what is above The same applies to my DVD and CDRW best wishes mal On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 19:01 +0100, malcolm wrote: > Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 > players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in > the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on > every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - > How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. > > Ta > > mal > > FC3 Test 2 BTW > From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 18:59:57 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:59:57 -0700 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <20041002183758.GG5537@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> <20041002183758.GG5537@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410021159593573b5@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:37:58 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:01:18PM +0100, malcolm wrote: > > Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 > > players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in > > the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on > > every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - > > How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. > > It is supposed to be plug-and-play... a user logged in locally to the > console should just be able to plug something in and have it mount > automatically, with icons appearing on the desktop, etc. And that was the behaviour I saw when I installed FC3 T2, however it appears to have broken since then. No Idea when it broke since I've not plugged any USB storage in (until just now) since I tested it immediately subsequent to the install. I looked on bugzilla under udev,hotplug,hwdata,hwbrowser (did I miss anything?) and don't see anything open. -- Bests, Jon ---- ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. >>> ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 19:05:33 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:05:33 -0700 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> > Here's another data point for you. Since this problem started (I > don't know, maybe 5 days ago?), I've started to use lftp's mirror > command to mirror everything under > ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/linux/fedora/core/development/i386 > with the exception of *debuginfo*.rpm. When I change my yum.conf to > point to my local repo, everything works as it should. Weird. Here's another bit of information that may be useful- once I'd done the silent exit routine 3 times, getting one of the three headers that I'd excluded when I updated the system this am via up2date the application *did* run as expected and complained about missing deps. Man I'd hate to have to run yum 50 times to be able to actually update the 51st time around ;). -- Bests, Jon ---- ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. >>> ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > From manu at kromtek.com Sat Oct 2 19:23:23 2004 From: manu at kromtek.com (Manu Abraham) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:23:23 +0400 Subject: ipchains In-Reply-To: <1096732030.9063.32.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> References: <200410021427.45876.manu@kromtek.com> <1096732030.9063.32.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <200410022323.23300.manu@kromtek.com> On Sat October 2 2004 7:47 pm, Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Am Sa, den 02.10.2004 schrieb Manu Abraham um 12:27: > > I know this is off the topic, but the ipchains-devel rpm seems to be > > missing the libiptc.h, libipq.h headers.. > > > > Manu > > You mean iptables and the iptables-devel rpm, don't you? > Yes I have both iptables and the iptables-devel rpm installed.. on FC2 But libiptc.h seems to be missing. I thought i had accidentally deleted it... But, i reinstalled it ... had to do a --force install.. but still libiptc.h seems to be missing.. I downloaded the tarball, but a newer version... the tarball has the headers, but not the rpm.. Another funny thing ... make install-devel on the tarball also does not install the libiptc.h/libipq.h header. Manu From selinux at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 19:26:09 2004 From: selinux at gmail.com (Tom London) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:26:09 -0700 Subject: Rawhide 'yum --exclude=mod-perl\* update oops... In-Reply-To: <4c4ba153041001085728ed0bae@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c4ba153041001083435e732f6@mail.gmail.com> <1096645361.26472.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <4c4ba153041001085728ed0bae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c4ba15304100212265736e332@mail.gmail.com> whew.... recovered, I think, thanks to yum. I collected the 'installed' packages from /var/cache/yum/development/packages, and did 'rpm -ivh --nodeps --justdb .....', followed by 'yum update'. I have no idea why the rpmdb got messed up, but I do notice that the 'new' one (/var/lib/rpm) is substantially smaller than the old one. 76864 rpm 130800 rpm.old I think I will start replicating /var/lib /rpm.... tom On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:57:04 -0700, Tom London wrote: > Understood. > > Any idea how? Haven't been doing anything different.... > > How to fix? > > Tried 'rpmdb --rebuilddb' and 'rpmdb --initdb' both to no avial. > > thanks, > tom > > > > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:43:01 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:34, Tom London wrote: > > > On current rawhide system, attempts to do today's updates > > > via 'yum --exclude=mod_perl\* update produces endless > > > copies of: > > > > > > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > > > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > > > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > > rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries > > > error: db4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > > b4 error(22) from db->close: Invalid argument > > > > Your rpmdb is broken. > > > > -sv > > > > > > > -- > Tom London > -- Tom London From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Sat Oct 2 20:41:45 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal Becker) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 16:41:45 -0400 Subject: dovecot imap broken References: Message-ID: Neal Becker wrote: > After today's updates dovecot imap seems to be broken. This was working - > Oct 1 19:07:58 rpppc1 imap-login: Login: nbecker [10.4.0.3] > Oct 1 19:07:58 rpppc1 imap(nbecker): Trying to allocate 0 bytes > Oct 1 19:07:58 rpppc1 dovecot: child 11061 (imap) killed with signal 6 > > > Update today, probably glibc, fixed this. From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 2 21:05:29 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 17:05:29 -0400 Subject: Video: Intel 810 / Monitor: Dell 991 In-Reply-To: <64291a1604100211202494b161@mail.gmail.com> References: <64291a1604100211202494b161@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <415F1819.6020307@sbcglobal.net> Daniele Bartoli wrote: > I am somewhat new to the world of Linux. However, I ran into this issue. > > If I load FC2, I have no video problem. > > If I load FC3-T2, the video has an issue, being that the video is > highly distorted - you can not understand anything in the display as > you see many different color lines, etc. > > Both instances, the video is an Intel 810, which is built onto the > motherboard. The monitor is a Dell 991. > > Any suggestions? > You might try to download the src rpm for xorg-x11 and rebuild. I had some luck with compiling and then installing the resulting rpms. rpmbuild --rebuild --target i386 xorg-x11-.src.rpm when in the directory where you downloaded the src.rpm to. You might also try to rename the installed i810_drv.o file located at /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ and adding this compiled i810_drv.o from a cvs build that I compiled and uploaded to a bug report that was filed for the i810 problem relating to the 815 graphics controller. This is the driver from a working version before the killing of X for the i810. https://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=738&action=view Personally, I have a functional system now with the stock rpms from the latest CVS release and keeping at 24 depth (millions of colors and at 1280x1024 or 1400x1050 screens) related bugs that I know of are below. xorg https://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1086 https://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1084 Fedora-bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132267 which leads you to the triage bug set up when bug becomes duplicate of another bug. Basically, it is messed up currently. When running at 16 depth and at 1024x768 you are alright until you change to a terminal. With other experienced problems, you get the refresh error. If you hang back to the xorg-x11 available on the fc3t1 installation discs, you should be alright. Otherwise, you should file a bug report or attach to one for your problem relating to the i810 driver. Good luck and welcome to the i810 world. I am using the i810 now and see no problems at 1400x1050 and 24 depth. My graphics controller is builtin to the motherboard also. Jim From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sat Oct 2 21:47:51 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 17:47:51 -0400 Subject: syslogd not syslogging Message-ID: <1096753671.18452.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Okay, I've skimmed the -devel and -test lists and looked for relevant information in bugzilla and haven't seen anything. Seems all I'm getting since my install of fc3t2 -- or maybe it was after my first 'yum update' -- in my /var/log/messages is the start and stop messages from syslogd: Oct 2 16:28:40 ws187 exiting on signal 15 Oct 2 16:30:45 ws187 syslogd 1.4.1: restart. Oct 2 17:10:47 ws187 exiting on signal 15 Oct 2 17:10:47 ws187 syslogd 1.4.1: restart. And *nothing* in my /var/log/maillog (which should contain lots of stuff since I'm running cyrus-imapd with lmtp and sendmail). Seems it's selinux related, as there are several messages like the following: audit(1096753583.523:0): avc: denied { search } for pid=2765 exe=/sbin/minilogd dev=tmpfs ino=817 scontext=user_u:system_r:syslogd_t tcontext=user_u:object_r:tmpfs_t tclass=dir on boot and when restarting the syslog service. Also, logging works as expected when running with selinux=0 in my grub.conf. Any thoughts? Did I hose something or is this a known problem that I missed the discussion of on this list? -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From maxer1 at xmission.com Sat Oct 2 21:57:59 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:57:59 -0600 Subject: FC3T2 dev selinux In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea1041002114678e122ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c4a8ca$e1c8f440$0200000a@frank> I'd like nothing more to do that if I could halt system boot log enough to write down the mumbo jumbo. :) RaXeT -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jon Savage Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:46 PM To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Re: FC3T2 dev selinux On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:36:14 -0600, maxer1 wrote: > I'm turning selinux off. Seeing 260 lines of "access denied" it just too > darn noisy for me. > > RaXeT Just my 2 cents worth: Perhaps you should share that output with the selinux-list? I'm not getting any noticable amount of those on my FC3 Test 2 system (but) the developers need to know what errors are being created so that they can be fixed. -- Bests, Jon ---- ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. >>> ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mem0tech at cableone.net Sat Oct 2 22:36:34 2004 From: mem0tech at cableone.net (Mike Martin) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 17:36:34 -0500 Subject: FC3T2 - How to reinstall GRUB after boot problem... RTFM didn't help. Message-ID: <415F2D72.3030505@cableone.net> Hello. I've got a problem that I've not been able to solve via RTFM for two days now. Perhaps someone here could point me in the right direction. I'm running both WinXP and FC3T2. My setup is simple. Two ATA drives in my system: /dev/hda - Windows disk. /dev/hdb - FC3T2 disk. /dev/hdb1=/; /dev/hdb2=swap /dev/hdc - CD Burner. /dev/hdd - CD Burner. GRUB was installed on /dev/hda I had problems with Windows and had to reinstall WinXP. The GRUB boot loader was blown away. No problem. Try #1) I booted from the FC3T2 ISO image #1 and executed "linux rescue" at the first prompt. Good. It found my FC3T2 install. Good. /mnt/sysimage had it all. Good. I then typed "chroot=/mnt/sysimage" and then type "grub-install /dev/hda". The system complained that /dev/hda with either read-only or didn't exist. I then typed "ls /dev | grep -i hda" and hda was not found. I exited the chroot env and then tried to execute /mnt/sysimage/sbin/grub-install and it complained "grub not found." Next I typed "ln -s /mnt/sysimage/sbin/grub /sbin" and then typed "grub-install /dev/hda" and it said "/usr/share/grub/blah-blah-blah/stage1 not found". Spent 4 hours RTFMing and obviously didn't search well as I found nothing that would help. Try #2) Booted KNOPPIX 3.4 and attempted to install GRUB. Mounted /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1. Good. All my files are there. Typed "ls -alR /mnt/hdb1/boot" and all the grub files were there. grub-install didn't work with the same song and dance from above. Spent all afternoon today searching for info, but again it is obvious I'm not looking in the right directions. All I want to do is just put GRUB back on /dev/hda so I can resume my FC3T2 stuff. Can someone help me in pointing out what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for your time, -mm From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 2 22:55:44 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:55:44 +0100 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <1096757744.5309.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > [Commandline used: yum -d7 --exclude=libbon* update] (The exclude is to > exclude the borked libbonoboui with the wrong sized toolbar buttons) > > Resolving Dependencies > 1096727887.4 > rhythmbox-0.8.7-2.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 33 kB > 00:00 > Error: failure: Fedora/RPMS/rhythmbox-0.8.7-2.i386.rpm from development: > [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. I'm getting that as well, though oddly not on the newly installed FC3t2 box. On the laptop (which has been updated from FC2 to 3t2), I'm having to use up2date to get the updates. And I don't like up2date.... TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Byte From pcompton at proteinmedia.com Sat Oct 2 23:08:56 2004 From: pcompton at proteinmedia.com (Phillip Compton) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:08:56 -0400 Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: <415F3484.3020005@austin.rr.com> References: <415F3484.3020005@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1096758536.5721.3.camel@darjeeling.example.com> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 18:06 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: > To Whomever It May Concern: > > The new file manager that has been included in Mozilla and FireFox is > cute and all, but how do you get access .directory entries? There is no > menu item to display hidden files. Therefore, you cannot import any > bookmarks. Right Click -> Show Hidden Files Works with any app using the new GTK File Chooser. Phil From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Sat Oct 2 23:23:38 2004 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:23:38 -0500 Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: <1096758536.5721.3.camel@darjeeling.example.com> References: <415F3484.3020005@austin.rr.com> <1096758536.5721.3.camel@darjeeling.example.com> Message-ID: <415F387A.7070807@austin.rr.com> Phillip Compton wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 18:06 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: > >>To Whomever It May Concern: >> >>The new file manager that has been included in Mozilla and FireFox is >>cute and all, but how do you get access .directory entries? There is no >>menu item to display hidden files. Therefore, you cannot import any >>bookmarks. > > > Right Click -> Show Hidden Files > > Works with any app using the new GTK File Chooser. > > > Phil > Wow, that was super intutive! Never expected the "show hidden files" to be hidden. Is this one of those Gnome 2.8 niceties everyone has been complaining out? Byte From alan at clueserver.org Sat Oct 2 22:26:04 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: <415F387A.7070807@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, ByteEnable wrote: > Phillip Compton wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 18:06 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: > > > >>To Whomever It May Concern: > >> > >>The new file manager that has been included in Mozilla and FireFox is > >>cute and all, but how do you get access .directory entries? There is no > >>menu item to display hidden files. Therefore, you cannot import any > >>bookmarks. > > > > > > Right Click -> Show Hidden Files > > > > Works with any app using the new GTK File Chooser. > > > > > > Phil > > > > Wow, that was super intutive! Never expected the "show hidden files" to > be hidden. Is this one of those Gnome 2.8 niceties everyone has been > complaining out? The show hidden options is a hidden option hidden within other hidden options. (But may be optional, depending on configure options.) From turtle83011 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 2 23:33:18 2004 From: turtle83011 at hotmail.com (Chris Tencati) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 16:33:18 -0700 Subject: noob sata question... Message-ID: Back when I had FC2 with the 2.4.x kernel, obviously there was no sata support built-in, but I'm using a promise controller and they make their drivers available for download/build, so everything worked fine. Now I'm using an up to date (as of yesterday) version of FC2T2, and that's causing some problems for me. SATA support is now built-in to the kernel, which is great, but I can't figure out how to actually access the disk...with the old driver I think it got reported as a scsi drive (which I swear is wrong) that was then faked as a normal ide drive, and I could mount it normally as /dev/hdc. Now though I don't have any scsi drives listed, udev made my cdrom into /dev/hdc (which is lame, it's not an hd!) and there are no addition hd* devices and nothing in general that looks correct. md0 is also unmountable. The sata_promise module/driver and others are loaded, and the system does recognize that there is a sata drive connected - KDE's hardware browser lists it under RAID devices (it's not hardware raid though if that's important), but I can't figure out any way to access it. I tried playing with MAKEDEV but since I don't really know what to try with it, that didn't help at all. /etc/fstab and /proc/partitions don't list anything except my 'normal' drives... >From looking at all the stuff online about sata and linux and the new 2.6 kernels, it seems I'm missing something painfully obvious, but I really can't think of what else to try. Promise doesn't have binaries or source for independent modules that support the 2.6 kernels (which makes sense since it's now included in the kernel itself), so I can't just do what I did before either. So any idea what stupid thing I'm overlooking, so that I can actually use this other drive? FC2T2 kernel 2.6.8-1.541 (stock FC build) Promise SATA 150 TX2plus controller some Maxtor SATA drive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From xerces8 at butn.net Sat Oct 2 23:42:57 2004 From: xerces8 at butn.net (xerces8) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:42:57 +0200 Subject: noob sata question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: VNC has certain problems with "non-standard" characters. I have the same problem between VNC server and client both running on windows. The simple solution is : don't use VNC, but X11. Or try a different keyboard layout. Regards! -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Tencati" To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 16:33:18 -0700 Subject: noob sata question... > Back when I had FC2 with the 2.4.x kernel, obviously there was no sata > support built-in, but I'm using a promise controller and they make > their > drivers available for download/build, so everything worked fine. Now > I'm > using an up to date (as of yesterday) version of FC2T2, and that's > causing > some problems for me. SATA support is now built-in to the kernel, > which is > great, but I can't figure out how to actually access the disk...with > the old > driver I think it got reported as a scsi drive (which I swear is wrong) > that > was then faked as a normal ide drive, and I could mount it normally as > /dev/hdc. Now though I don't have any scsi drives listed, udev made my > cdrom into /dev/hdc (which is lame, it's not an hd!) and there are no > addition hd* devices and nothing in general that looks correct. md0 is > also > unmountable. The sata_promise module/driver and others are loaded, and > the > system does recognize that there is a sata drive connected - KDE's > hardware > browser lists it under RAID devices (it's not hardware raid though if > that's > important), but I can't figure out any way to access it. I tried > playing > with MAKEDEV but since I don't really know what to try with it, that > didn't > help at all. /etc/fstab and /proc/partitions don't list anything > except my > 'normal' drives... > > >From looking at all the stuff online about sata and linux and the new > 2.6 > kernels, it seems I'm missing something painfully obvious, but I really > can't think of what else to try. Promise doesn't have binaries or > source > for independent modules that support the 2.6 kernels (which makes sense > since it's now included in the kernel itself), so I can't just do what > I did > before either. So any idea what stupid thing I'm overlooking, so that > I can > actually use this other drive? > > FC2T2 > kernel 2.6.8-1.541 (stock FC build) > Promise SATA 150 TX2plus controller > some Maxtor SATA drive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sat Oct 2 23:52:21 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:52:21 +0200 Subject: What happened to rawhide? Message-ID: <1096761141.18818.7.camel@hostmaster.org> Hi, I just updated my rawhide installation and ended up manually downgrading kernel-smp from 2.6.8-1.590 to 2.6.8-1.541, also there are no jakarta packages (ant, bcel, xalan,...) and no i386 firefox for x86_64 anymore. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key "Memory is like gasoline. You use it up when you are running. Of course you get it all back when you reboot..." Microsoft Helpdesk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 3 00:02:42 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:02:42 -0400 Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415F41A2.5060809@sbcglobal.net> alan wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, ByteEnable wrote: > > >>Phillip Compton wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 18:06 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: >>> >>> >>>>To Whomever It May Concern: >>>> >>>>The new file manager that has been included in Mozilla and FireFox is >>>>cute and all, but how do you get access .directory entries? There is no >>>>menu item to display hidden files. Therefore, you cannot import any >>>>bookmarks. >>> >>> >>>Right Click -> Show Hidden Files >>> >>>Works with any app using the new GTK File Chooser. >>> >>> >>>Phil >>> >> >>Wow, that was super intutive! Never expected the "show hidden files" to >>be hidden. Is this one of those Gnome 2.8 niceties everyone has been >>complaining out? > > > The show hidden options is a hidden option hidden within other hidden > options. (But may be optional, depending on configure options.) > > Where is this file manager located? Do you need to download a certain element for mozilla/firefox to get it? Jim From linxt at comcast.net Sun Oct 3 00:15:35 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:15:35 -0700 Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410021715.35686.linxt@comcast.net> On Saturday 02 October 2004 15:26, alan wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, ByteEnable wrote: > > Phillip Compton wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 18:06 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: > > >>To Whomever It May Concern: >>>>> snip <<<<< > > The show hidden options is a hidden option hidden within other hidden > options. (But may be optional, depending on configure options.) Ummmm, do you perchance work for Microsofty?? (just kidding) -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Sun Oct 3 00:31:49 2004 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:31:49 -0500 Subject: What happened to rawhide? In-Reply-To: <1096761141.18818.7.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1096761141.18818.7.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <415F4875.2030201@austin.rr.com> Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > Hi, > > I just updated my rawhide installation and ended up manually downgrading > kernel-smp from 2.6.8-1.590 to 2.6.8-1.541, also there are no jakarta > packages (ant, bcel, xalan,...) and no i386 firefox for x86_64 anymore. > > Tom > > Dont know what happened, but, the redhat-artwork junk messed up my Redhat KDE artwork.... Byte From ggw at wolves.homeip.net Sun Oct 3 00:52:51 2004 From: ggw at wolves.homeip.net (G.Wolfe Woodbury) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Dell Latitude CPi screen limited to 800x600 (can't get 1024x768) Message-ID: I've managed to get rawhide of 2004-10-01 installed on a Dell CPi Latitude notebook, but can't get the screen larger than 800x600. The physical LCD is 1024x768 but I've been unable to get the xorg drivers to properly use the extra bits. I'm going to update to 2004-10-02 in a bit and see if there are any changes (improvements). Meanwhile, anyone have any hints? The display controller is Neomagic 128, but I'm using the "vesa" driver Pentium II @ 300MHz -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! From fdepercin at sc.rr.com Sun Oct 3 00:59:01 2004 From: fdepercin at sc.rr.com (Cokey de Percin) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:59:01 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 15:05, Jon Savage wrote: > > Here's another data point for you. Since this problem started (I > > don't know, maybe 5 days ago?), I've started to use lftp's mirror > > command to mirror everything under > > ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/linux/fedora/core/development/i386 > > with the exception of *debuginfo*.rpm. When I change my yum.conf to > > point to my local repo, everything works as it should. Weird. > Here's another bit of information that may be useful- once I'd done > the silent exit routine 3 times, getting one of the three headers that > I'd excluded when I updated the system this am via up2date the > application *did* run as expected and complained about missing deps. > Man I'd hate to have to run yum 50 times to be able to actually update > the 51st time around ;). > -- > Bests, > Jon I'm having the same problem on C3t2 fresh install and when I got tired of getting 1 header every time I ran yum, I wrote an endless loop script that ran yum and displayed date/time and a counter on each loop. What I found was that _most_ of the time 1 header was returned each time yum was run; maybe one in 20 or so returned more. Once all the headers were down, the rest ran almost as advertised; just a seg fault or two. And yes I'm running Ver 2.1.4-1. Cokey -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ F. 'Cokey' de Percin, DBA Email: CSC Work - cdeperci at csc.com Columbia, South Carolina Home - fdepercin at sc.rr.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Mailscanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 3 01:00:27 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:00:27 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> Message-ID: <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> > I'm having the same problem on C3t2 fresh install and when I got tired > of getting 1 header every time I ran yum, I wrote an endless loop script > that ran yum and displayed date/time and a counter on each loop. What I > found was that _most_ of the time 1 header was returned each time yum > was run; maybe one in 20 or so returned more. Once all the headers were > down, the rest ran almost as advertised; just a seg fault or two. And > yes I'm running Ver 2.1.4-1. This is bizarre. I can't duplicate this behavior at all. I'm going to try with intentionally corrupted rpms and see if I can get it to happen. -sv From xerces8 at butn.net Sun Oct 3 01:25:50 2004 From: xerces8 at butn.net (xerces8) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 03:25:50 +0200 Subject: VNC - Vino shift keys not working with certain characters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops, my webmail confused the messages. I was replying to the "VNC - Vino shift keys not working with certain characters" message. Sorry for the confusion. -----Original Message----- From: "xerces8" To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" , "Chris Tencati" Cc: Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:42:57 +0200 Subject: Re: noob sata question... > VNC has certain problems with "non-standard" characters. > I have the same problem between VNC server and client both running on > windows. > The simple solution is : don't use VNC, but X11. > Or try a different keyboard layout. > > Regards! > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Chris Tencati" > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 16:33:18 -0700 > Subject: noob sata question... > > > Back when I had FC2 with the 2.4.x kernel, obviously there was no > sata > > support built-in, but I'm using a promise controller and they make > > their > > drivers available for download/build, so everything worked fine. Now > > I'm > > using an up to date (as of yesterday) version of FC2T2, and that's > > causing > > some problems for me. SATA support is now built-in to the kernel, > > which is > > great, but I can't figure out how to actually access the disk...with > > the old > > driver I think it got reported as a scsi drive (which I swear is > wrong) > > that > > was then faked as a normal ide drive, and I could mount it normally > as > > /dev/hdc. Now though I don't have any scsi drives listed, udev made > my > > cdrom into /dev/hdc (which is lame, it's not an hd!) and there are no > > addition hd* devices and nothing in general that looks correct. md0 > is > > also > > unmountable. The sata_promise module/driver and others are loaded, > and > > the > > system does recognize that there is a sata drive connected - KDE's > > hardware > > browser lists it under RAID devices (it's not hardware raid though if > > that's > > important), but I can't figure out any way to access it. I tried > > playing > > with MAKEDEV but since I don't really know what to try with it, that > > didn't > > help at all. /etc/fstab and /proc/partitions don't list anything > > except my > > 'normal' drives... > > > > >From looking at all the stuff online about sata and linux and the > new > > 2.6 > > kernels, it seems I'm missing something painfully obvious, but I > really > > can't think of what else to try. Promise doesn't have binaries or > > source > > for independent modules that support the 2.6 kernels (which makes > sense > > since it's now included in the kernel itself), so I can't just do > what > > I did > > before either. So any idea what stupid thing I'm overlooking, so > that > > I can > > actually use this other drive? > > > > FC2T2 > > kernel 2.6.8-1.541 (stock FC build) > > Promise SATA 150 TX2plus controller > > some Maxtor SATA drive > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > > FREE! > > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 3 01:43:02 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:43:02 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 and Nforce3 Chipset Support Message-ID: <1096767782.3169.0.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> Does the FC3t2, x86_64 version support the Nforce3 chipset and one of these onboard LAN adapters: Marvell 88E1111 1000Mbps Realtek 8110S 1000Mbps I already know that Fedora Core 2 in the X86_64 architecture doesn't seem to have drivers for the Realtek 8110S. I kept seeing messages on VC #4 about the Realtek PHY being reset. Can anyone point me to drivers? And how can I insert the drivers at install time? Would I be better off downloading FC3t2 and using it's x86_64 instead of FC2? Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sun Oct 3 02:01:07 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:01:07 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 21:00, seth vidal wrote: [snip] > This is bizarre. I can't duplicate this behavior at all. I'm going to > try with intentionally corrupted rpms and see if I can get it to happen. But isn't the fetching of headers done even before the rpms themselves are even looked at? If so, corrupt rpms aren't likely to reproduce the problem. This may be a little off the wall, but what kind of firewall, if any, are you behind? I'm behind an FC2 IP masquerading firewall. What about others that are having the problem? Maybe me pulling the repo onto my side of the firewall is what's making the problem go away for some really weird reason. Unfortunately, I can't currently do any more testing of this problem because I'm completely up to date, so yum just returns telling me that. I'll try again Monday when there are more updates and if I get the problem again, I'll see if I can move my test box to one of my public IPs and try the yum update again. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From micoots at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 02:05:41 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:05:41 +1000 (EST) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <20041003020541.46921.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since I currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect disks from installation), and as I've just found out, so does FC3T2. I've read the material on: http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php and they claim that they do not know of any issues with the driver and kernel used on the installation process of FC3T2. The following is my problem. I have an Adaptec I2O SCSI RAID Controller BIOS V001.62 (2002/11/16) Model 2010S Revision 3B05 32Mb of RAM Booting the FC3T2 CD, I select to add additional drivers and select the "I2O block" driver from the list. Then when going through the install the following appears before going to the Disk Druid section: Bug Assertion (sectors <= 63) at disk_dos.c:476 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed click Ignore Bug Assertion (heads > 0) at disk_dos.c:471 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed click Ignore then the install shuts down for reboot. Any ideas? Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From micoots at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 02:07:35 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:07:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug Message-ID: <20041003020735.47319.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since I currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect disks from installation), and as I've just found out, so does FC3T2. I've read the material on: http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php and they claim that they do not know of any issues with the driver and kernel used on the installation process of FC3T2. The following is my problem. I have an Adaptec I2O SCSI RAID Controller BIOS V001.62 (2002/11/16) Model 2010S Revision 3B05 32Mb of RAM Booting the FC3T2 CD, I select to add additional drivers and select the "I2O block" driver from the list. Then when going through the install the following appears before going to the Disk Druid section: Bug Assertion (sectors <= 63) at disk_dos.c:476 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed click Ignore Bug Assertion (heads > 0) at disk_dos.c:471 in function probe_partition_for_geom() failed click Ignore then the install shuts down for reboot. Any ideas? Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sun Oct 3 02:18:55 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:18:55 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1096769935.18452.51.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 22:01, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 21:00, seth vidal wrote: > > [snip] > > > This is bizarre. I can't duplicate this behavior at all. I'm going to > > try with intentionally corrupted rpms and see if I can get it to happen. [snip] > Unfortunately, I can't currently do any more testing of this problem > because I'm completely up to date, so yum just returns telling me that. > I'll try again Monday when there are more updates and if I get the > problem again, I'll see if I can move my test box to one of my public > IPs and try the yum update again. Aha! I was able to downgrade a few packages to the original from FC3T2 and reliably reproduce this problem by tweaking something that occurred to me immediately after I sent this last message. Http vs. ftp...seems that the http transport is causing this problem, but it works fine with ftp. Your dev repo setting in your yum.conf an ftp locate as opposed to http, Seth? Hope that helps narrow down the problem. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From chessir at peoplepc.com Sun Oct 3 03:08:59 2004 From: chessir at peoplepc.com (chessir) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:08:59 -0500 Subject: grub reinstall Message-ID: <415F6D4B.9030105@peoplepc.com> My understanding about reinstalling grub - The procedure I am familiar with is to initially make a grub boot floppy then boot from the floppy and # root (hd1,0) #setup (hd0,0) for hda boot sector From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 03:04:33 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:04:33 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 22:01:07 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > This may be a little off the wall, but what kind of firewall, if any, > are you behind? I'm behind an FC2 IP masquerading firewall. Im behind an fc2 ip masqing firewall... and I can't reproduce this problem....and ive even go so far as to revert a number of packages 3 or 4 times,clean the local cache and have yum update again and again. Now maybe there is a specific package that is causing a problem, that I dont have installed, but as of now yum is updating for me as expected. -jef From jrobertson at convera.com Sun Oct 3 03:09:18 2004 From: jrobertson at convera.com (Joe Robertson) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:09:18 -0700 Subject: noob sata question... Message-ID: Try using one of the scsi names (like /dev/sda)... Thanks, Joe Robertson > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > Chris Tencati > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:33 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: noob sata question... > > > Back when I had FC2 with the 2.4.x kernel, obviously there > was no sata > support built-in, but I'm using a promise controller and they > make their > drivers available for download/build, so everything worked > fine. Now I'm > using an up to date (as of yesterday) version of FC2T2, and > that's causing > some problems for me. SATA support is now built-in to the > kernel, which is > great, but I can't figure out how to actually access the > disk...with the old > driver I think it got reported as a scsi drive (which I swear > is wrong) that > was then faked as a normal ide drive, and I could mount it > normally as > /dev/hdc. Now though I don't have any scsi drives listed, > udev made my > cdrom into /dev/hdc (which is lame, it's not an hd!) and there are no > addition hd* devices and nothing in general that looks > correct. md0 is also > unmountable. The sata_promise module/driver and others are > loaded, and the > system does recognize that there is a sata drive connected - > KDE's hardware > browser lists it under RAID devices (it's not hardware raid > though if that's > important), but I can't figure out any way to access it. I > tried playing > with MAKEDEV but since I don't really know what to try with > it, that didn't > help at all. /etc/fstab and /proc/partitions don't list > anything except my > 'normal' drives... > > >From looking at all the stuff online about sata and linux > and the new > >2.6 > kernels, it seems I'm missing something painfully obvious, > but I really > can't think of what else to try. Promise doesn't have > binaries or source > for independent modules that support the 2.6 kernels (which > makes sense > since it's now included in the kernel itself), so I can't > just do what I did > before either. So any idea what stupid thing I'm > overlooking, so that I can > actually use this other drive? > > FC2T2 > kernel 2.6.8-1.541 (stock FC build) > Promise SATA 150 TX2plus controller > some Maxtor SATA drive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today > - it's FREE! > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sun Oct 3 03:41:45 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:41:45 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 23:04, Jeff Spaleta wrote: [snip] > Im behind an fc2 ip masqing firewall... and I can't reproduce this > problem....and ive even go so far as to revert a number of packages 3 > or 4 times,clean the local cache and have yum update again and again. Check out my last message. Check your yum.conf to see if the repo you're using is an http location or ftp. I was able to reliably reproduce this with http, but ftp seems to work fine. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 3 03:59:05 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:59:05 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1096775945.30642.16.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 23:41 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 23:04, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > [snip] > > > Im behind an fc2 ip masqing firewall... and I can't reproduce this > > problem....and ive even go so far as to revert a number of packages 3 > > or 4 times,clean the local cache and have yum update again and again. > > Check out my last message. Check your yum.conf to see if the repo > you're using is an http location or ftp. I was able to reliably > reproduce this with http, but ftp seems to work fine. > All of my repos are http repos. I never use ftp repos b/c ftp is such a pain in the ass to firewall for. and I can't reproduce this either. -sv From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 04:07:25 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:07:25 -0700 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104100221075e391c5e@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:41:45 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Check out my last message. Check your yum.conf to see if the repo > you're using is an http location or ftp. I was able to reliably > reproduce this with http, but ftp seems to work fine. I'm using an untweaked (outta da box) yum conf, e.g.: [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 retries=20 #[base] #name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$b$ #[updates-released] #name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Released Updates #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/$relea$ #[updates-testing] I'd be happy to tweak it a bit with the next round of updates to see if that makes any difference... Bests, JS From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 04:11:45 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:11:45 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <604aa79104100221116655c128@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:41:45 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Check out my last message. Check your yum.conf to see if the repo > you're using is an http location or ftp. I was able to reliably > reproduce this with http, but ftp seems to work fine. I'm using http urls form the development box.... -jef From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 3 04:11:37 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:11:37 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104100221116655c128@mail.gmail.com> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa79104100221116655c128@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096776697.30642.18.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 00:11 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:41:45 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > Check out my last message. Check your yum.conf to see if the repo > > you're using is an http location or ftp. I was able to reliably > > reproduce this with http, but ftp seems to work fine. > > I'm using http urls form the development box.... > Can anyone reproduce this NOT using download.fedora.redhat.com? Also can someone run strace on a reproducing event and send me the output either privately or in bugzilla? I want to know WHERE the exit is happening. thanks -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 3 04:19:01 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:19:01 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1096777141.30642.20.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 22:01 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 21:00, seth vidal wrote: > > [snip] > > > This is bizarre. I can't duplicate this behavior at all. I'm going to > > try with intentionally corrupted rpms and see if I can get it to happen. > > But isn't the fetching of headers done even before the rpms themselves > are even looked at? If so, corrupt rpms aren't likely to reproduce the > problem. no the headers are gotten by byte ranges FROM the rpm now. not in independent files. -sv From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sun Oct 3 05:07:54 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:07:54 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096775945.30642.16.camel@binkley> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1096775945.30642.16.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1096780074.18452.67.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 23:59, seth vidal wrote: [snip] > All of my repos are http repos. I never use ftp repos b/c ftp is such a > pain in the ass to firewall for. Agreed. I just thought I was on to something. Apparently, not. :-( > On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 00:11 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: [snip] > Can anyone reproduce this NOT using download.fedora.redhat.com? Working my way through the http mirrors at http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html and haven't hit any yet with the problem at http://download.fedora.redhat.com/... and I'm through USA East, USA West, and Canada. Starting to look more and more like a download.fedora.redhat.com http specific problem. Except that...*sigh*...I can't reproduce it now, even though I could just three hours ago. > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 22:01 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: [snip] > no the headers are gotten by byte ranges FROM the rpm now. > not in independent files. Now that's cool. Much better. I didn't know you could do that with http. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 3 05:35:42 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:35:42 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096780074.18452.67.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1096775945.30642.16.camel@binkley> <1096780074.18452.67.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1096781743.30642.30.camel@binkley> > Working my way through the http mirrors at > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html and haven't hit any yet > with the problem at http://download.fedora.redhat.com/... and I'm > through USA East, USA West, and Canada. Starting to look more and more > like a download.fedora.redhat.com http specific problem. > > Except that...*sigh*...I can't reproduce it now, even though I could > just three hours ago. What changed on your system? Have you rebooted since then? > > no the headers are gotten by byte ranges FROM the rpm now. > > not in independent files. > > Now that's cool. Much better. I didn't know you could do that with > http. > http 1.1 has byte-range support, as does ftp and, of course, file:// urls :) older http or non-compliant servers won't work. -sv From cylon at streamyx.com Sun Oct 3 06:04:16 2004 From: cylon at streamyx.com (Mazli Alias) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:04:16 +0800 Subject: Fedora Core 3 and Nforce3 Chipset Support In-Reply-To: <1096767782.3169.0.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1096767782.3169.0.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <415F9660.8080105@streamyx.com> Robert L Cochran wrote: >Does the FC3t2, x86_64 version support the Nforce3 chipset and one of >these onboard LAN adapters: > >Marvell 88E1111 1000Mbps >Realtek 8110S 1000Mbps > >I already know that Fedora Core 2 in the X86_64 architecture doesn't >seem to have drivers for the Realtek 8110S. I kept seeing messages on VC >#4 about the Realtek PHY being reset. Can anyone point me to drivers? >And how can I insert the drivers at install time? > >Would I be better off downloading FC3t2 and using it's x86_64 instead of >FC2? > >Thanks > >Bob Cochran >Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > > > What's your motherboard? I'm using K8Neo Platinum withMarvell 88E1111 1000Mbps..both the Eth and sound works from initial install. From cylon at streamyx.com Sun Oct 3 06:05:57 2004 From: cylon at streamyx.com (Mazli Alias) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:05:57 +0800 Subject: Speaking of yum ... In-Reply-To: <1096729320.14186.15.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <1096729320.14186.15.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <415F96C5.4020704@streamyx.com> Robert Couture wrote: >Hi ... > >Does anybody have a decent list of mirrors for rawhide? The mirrors >page shows base but not development. > >Thanks in advance. > >Rob. > > > > i'm using kernel.org From talbotscott at cox.net Sun Oct 3 07:14:31 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 00:14:31 -0700 Subject: FC3T2 - How to reinstall GRUB after boot problem... RTFM didn't help. In-Reply-To: <415F2D72.3030505@cableone.net> References: <415F2D72.3030505@cableone.net> Message-ID: <1096787671.25736.4.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 17:36 -0500, Mike Martin wrote: > Hello. > > I've got a problem that I've not been able to solve via RTFM for two > days now. Perhaps someone here could point me in the right direction. > > I'm running both WinXP and FC3T2. My setup is simple. Two ATA drives in > my system: > > /dev/hda - Windows disk. > /dev/hdb - FC3T2 disk. /dev/hdb1=/; /dev/hdb2=swap > /dev/hdc - CD Burner. > /dev/hdd - CD Burner. > GRUB was installed on /dev/hda > > I had problems with Windows and had to reinstall WinXP. The GRUB boot > loader was blown away. No problem. > > Try #1) I booted from the FC3T2 ISO image #1 and executed "linux rescue" > at the first prompt. Good. It found my FC3T2 install. Good. > /mnt/sysimage had it all. Good. > > I then typed "chroot=/mnt/sysimage" and then type "grub-install ^^^ I'm no expert, but I have successfully re-installed grub, but I never put an "=" in this command. Otherwise this is how I remember it working. do you get the prompt sh# or was it bin-sh# ? HTH Scott > > /dev/hda". The system complained that /dev/hda with either read-only or > didn't exist. I then typed "ls /dev | grep -i hda" and hda was not found. > > I exited the chroot env and then tried to execute > /mnt/sysimage/sbin/grub-install and it complained "grub not found." > > Next I typed "ln -s /mnt/sysimage/sbin/grub /sbin" and then typed > "grub-install /dev/hda" and it said > "/usr/share/grub/blah-blah-blah/stage1 not found". > > Spent 4 hours RTFMing and obviously didn't search well as I found > nothing that would help. > > > Try #2) Booted KNOPPIX 3.4 and attempted to install GRUB. > > Mounted /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1. Good. All my files are there. > > Typed "ls -alR /mnt/hdb1/boot" and all the grub files were there. > > grub-install didn't work with the same song and dance from above. > > Spent all afternoon today searching for info, but again it is obvious > I'm not looking in the right directions. > > > > All I want to do is just put GRUB back on /dev/hda so I can resume my > FC3T2 stuff. > > Can someone help me in pointing out what I'm doing wrong? > > Thanks for your time, > > -mm > > > From esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 07:54:29 2004 From: esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com (Gabriel Moreno) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:54:29 -0700 Subject: yum.conf test2 Message-ID: <85e4e9640410030054336a4e38@mail.gmail.com> I am new to test release. I would like to add some mirrors to my yum.conf for base and additional software. But I want to help out all I can in testing test2. What should I look for in adding mirrors. Thanks, Gabriel From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 3 08:59:23 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias Feliciano) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:59:23 +0200 Subject: yum.conf test2 In-Reply-To: <85e4e9640410030054336a4e38@mail.gmail.com> References: <85e4e9640410030054336a4e38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096793962.7688.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dim 03/10/2004 ? 09:54, Gabriel Moreno a ?crit : > I am new to test release. I would like to add some mirrors to my > yum.conf for base and additional software. But I want to help out all > I can in testing test2. What should I look for in adding mirrors. for yum : "man yum.conf" :-) http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html Use "development" (also known as rawhide) tree. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Sun Oct 3 11:22:57 2004 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:22:57 +0200 Subject: evolution 2 doesn't highlight the strings in the search results In-Reply-To: <1096687816.11924.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096687816.11924.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1096802577.8726.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op vr, 01-10-2004 te 20:30 -0700, schreef Scott Talbot: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 01:14 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > > Just to check if it's my setup or not. > > Does anyone see this behaviour? > > > > In Evolution > > > > Search the body contents of messages for a string. > > In the messages containing the string, the string used to be highlighted > > in purple (evolution 1.4.x), but in evo2 I don't see them highlighted > > anymore. > > > > I'll file a bug if anybody confirms > > > > Tino > I can confirm this. I'm sure it worked last week though. Tried > changing themes, as that will affect some apps and still no sign of a > highlight. Changing the theme did prompt me to investigate further on the issue. I got the highlight (partly) back when using the string: "I can confirm this" But only the parts "thi" and "confi" Going back to searching for "confirm" made the highlight disappear again. Very strange... A screenshot of the strange highlight behavior: http://members.chello.nl/a.t.meinen/evohighlight.png Tino Meinen From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Sun Oct 3 11:46:27 2004 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:46:27 +0200 Subject: evolution 2 doesn't highlight the strings in the search results In-Reply-To: <1096802577.8726.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096687816.11924.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1096802577.8726.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096803987.8726.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op zo, 03-10-2004 te 13:22 +0200, schreef Tino Meinen: > Op vr, 01-10-2004 te 20:30 -0700, schreef Scott Talbot: > > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 01:14 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > > > Just to check if it's my setup or not. > > > Does anyone see this behaviour? > > > > > > In Evolution > > > > > > Search the body contents of messages for a string. > > > In the messages containing the string, the string used to be highlighted > > > in purple (evolution 1.4.x), but in evo2 I don't see them highlighted > > > anymore. > > > > > > I'll file a bug if anybody confirms > > > > > > Tino > > I can confirm this. I'm sure it worked last week though. Tried > > changing themes, as that will affect some apps and still no sign of a > > highlight. > Changing the theme did prompt me to investigate further on the issue. > I got the highlight (partly) back when using the string: > "I can confirm this" > But only the parts "thi" and "confi" > Going back to searching for "confirm" made the highlight disappear > again. > Very strange... > > A screenshot of the strange highlight behavior: > http://members.chello.nl/a.t.meinen/evohighlight.png > It gets stranger still, I didn't notice this before: look at the footer of the message: It says: Scottedora-test-list etc... It's garbled up. Here's a screenshot of the message without the highlight: http://members.chello.nl/a.t.meinen/evohighlight2.png Tino Meinen From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 3 12:08:33 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:08:33 +0100 Subject: dbus-daemon-1. Is this right? Message-ID: <1096805313.4950.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm looking at gnome-sys-monitor to see if I can see what's chomping the processor and I'm seeing 15 instances of dbus-daemon-1 for user 'bev', 2 for user 'richard' and one for me and root. Why should there be this many instances of dbus-daemon-1 running? If it isn't, any ideas on what is causing this many of instances being created so I can put something into bugzilla? TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 3 12:22:33 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:22:33 +0200 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea10410021159593573b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> <20041002183758.GG5537@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <2ad7cea10410021159593573b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096806153.4102.6.camel@kyrre> Just clearing up a few things (i hope) -hotplug is responsible for detecting that something new has been plugged in (through a kernel-interface?), and loading the appropiate module -udev is responsible for creating devices when the module has been loaded -hal is responsible for creating the mountpoints in fstab, and by default uses "user" in /etc/fstab for removable media -gamin (or has dbusanything to do with this?) detects the change in /etc/fstab and notifyes -gnome-volume-manager, which should then show the new mountpoints, and if set to do so, mount them (this is default) do a cat of /etc/fstab before and after you have hotplugged it. do also sit in vt1 when you plug it in, and watch the messages. have you updated hal? It is running? Is your device a mass-storage-device? Possibly you should file a bug at component "hal" l?r, 02.10.2004 kl. 20.59 skrev Jon Savage: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:37:58 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:01:18PM +0100, malcolm wrote: > > > Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 > > > players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in > > > the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on > > > every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - > > > How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. > > > > It is supposed to be plug-and-play... a user logged in locally to the > > console should just be able to plug something in and have it mount > > automatically, with icons appearing on the desktop, etc. > And that was the behaviour I saw when I installed FC3 T2, however it > appears to have broken since then. No Idea when it broke since I've > not plugged any USB storage in (until just now) since I tested it > immediately subsequent to the install. I looked on bugzilla under > udev,hotplug,hwdata,hwbrowser (did I miss anything?) and don't see > anything open. > > -- > Bests, > Jon > ---- > ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. > >>> > ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > > From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 3 12:45:58 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:45:58 +0100 Subject: VFS Message-ID: <1096807559.4950.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On my desktop are a pile of unwanted icons for drives (not removable ones) mounted in fstab, including /dev/hda1 (called idedisk2). I did report this and was told it was going to be fixed. As other users use this machine (and I don't want them to have access to these drives/mount points), is there anyway to make them vanish from the desktop. I can't see anything obvious in gconf-editor to do it. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 3 14:02:04 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:02:04 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 and Nforce3 Chipset Support In-Reply-To: <415F9660.8080105@streamyx.com> References: <1096767782.3169.0.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> <415F9660.8080105@streamyx.com> Message-ID: <1096812124.3325.5.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 14:04 +0800, Mazli Alias wrote: > Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > What's your motherboard? I'm using K8Neo Platinum withMarvell 88E1111 > 1000Mbps..both the Eth and sound works from initial install. > I'm using the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum with the Nforce3 Ultra chipset. I have both the Marvell and the Realtek 1000Mbps NIC's onboard. Perhaps I need to retry the install and investigate more closely. Bob From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Oct 3 14:08:28 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:08:28 +0100 Subject: Curious directory move Message-ID: <200410031508.29297.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> I just upgraded my laptop to FC3-test2 and found one odd feature which I don't understand. I'm running uucp, and the uucp config and other files are in /etc/uucp which I take to be the standard place for them. For some reason, under FC3-test2 uucico looks for /usr/conf/uucp/config (as I found with strace). When I symbolically linked this to /etc/uucp/config all went well. But I am baffled by this change. Has there been some general move of config files to /usr/conf/ ? I don't recall this directory ever existing before. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 15:06:29 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:06:29 +0100 Subject: gnome-pilot question Message-ID: Hi. I've been impressed enough with FC3T2 to attempt to connect by wife's palmpilot (a USB-connected m500) to it. I have to admit this is the very first time I've tried this, even though Linux and I go back to the very first, painstakingly downloaded stack of Slackware floppies... Anyway, I must be doing something very simple wrong. When I hit the sync button, two (?) new links are created in /dev ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1. But when I use gnome-pilot, it just sits there forever at the screen that asks me to press the HotSync button and never sees the device. What I've tried: starting the sync before opening gnome-pilot, press the sync button only when asked to by gnome-pilot and tried telling it to look at /dev/pilot, /dev/ttyUSB0, /dev/ttyUSB1. All to no avail. My system logs look like this: Oct 3 15:57:07 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using address 15 Oct 3 15:57:07 localhost kernel: visor 3-1:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected Oct 3 15:57:07 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0 Oct 3 15:57:07 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1 Oct 3 15:57:07 localhost udev: creating device node '/dev/ttyUSB1' Oct 3 15:57:08 localhost udev: creating device node '/dev/ttyUSB0' Oct 3 15:58:17 localhost udev: removing device node '/dev/ttyUSB0' Oct 3 15:58:18 localhost udev: removing device node '/dev/ttyUSB1' Oct 3 15:58:18 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 15 What simple thing am I missing? From rpa4email at rogers.com Sun Oct 3 15:16:30 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:16:30 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1096816591.14186.21.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> On Sat, 2004-02-10 at 13:41 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > I've looked through the downloadheader code and there are no calls to > sys.exit anywhere near it. Here's an interesting update. Following another's suggestion, I switched to kernel.org's mirror, and the problem goes away. A noted behaviour of the default mirror I have observed is that it "stutters" It will stop during downloads. The stop can be as little as a second or as long as permanent (based on waiting over 10 minutes to resume and getting impatient. ;) Occasionally, yum errors out. I am wondering if that may be the source of the problem?? This "stuttering" is not observed when using kernel.org's mirror. Just a thought ... Rob. From malcolm at interele.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 3 15:22:55 2004 From: malcolm at interele.demon.co.uk (malcolm) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:22:55 +0100 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <1096806153.4102.6.camel@kyrre> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> <20041002183758.GG5537@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <2ad7cea10410021159593573b5@mail.gmail.com> <1096806153.4102.6.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1096816975.15003.4.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> Ah ! at least I now know what does what :-) I discovered an update to hal and now everything works beautifully many thanks to everyone mal On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 14:22 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Just clearing up a few things (i hope) > > -hotplug is responsible for detecting that something new has been > plugged in (through a kernel-interface?), and loading the appropiate > module > -udev is responsible for creating devices when the module has been > loaded > -hal is responsible for creating the mountpoints in fstab, and by > default uses "user" in /etc/fstab for removable media > -gamin (or has dbusanything to do with this?) detects the change in > /etc/fstab and notifyes > -gnome-volume-manager, which should then show the new mountpoints, and > if set to do so, mount them (this is default) > > do a cat of /etc/fstab before and after you have hotplugged it. > > do also sit in vt1 when you plug it in, and watch the messages. > > have you updated hal? It is running? Is your device a > mass-storage-device? > > Possibly you should file a bug at component "hal" > > l?r, 02.10.2004 kl. 20.59 skrev Jon Savage: > > On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:37:58 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:01:18PM +0100, malcolm wrote: > > > > Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 > > > > players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in > > > > the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on > > > > every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - > > > > How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. > > > > > > It is supposed to be plug-and-play... a user logged in locally to the > > > console should just be able to plug something in and have it mount > > > automatically, with icons appearing on the desktop, etc. > > And that was the behaviour I saw when I installed FC3 T2, however it > > appears to have broken since then. No Idea when it broke since I've > > not plugged any USB storage in (until just now) since I tested it > > immediately subsequent to the install. I looked on bugzilla under > > udev,hotplug,hwdata,hwbrowser (did I miss anything?) and don't see > > anything open. > > > > -- > > Bests, > > Jon > > ---- > > ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. > > >>> > > ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > > > > From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Oct 3 15:47:10 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:47:10 +0100 Subject: Xorg still does not work properly on Sony Picturebook Message-ID: <200410031647.11035.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> I just upgraded my Sony C1VFK laptop from FC2 to FC3t2, following a suggestion on the Fedora-list that this might help get my problem with xorg solved. XFree86 worked perfectly in FC-1, and in all previous Redhat distributions on this laptop with 16bpp x 1024 x 480, but I've only been able to get xorg to work in 8bpp. When X is run with DefaultDepth 16 I get a large black oval on the screen which gradually changes to a blank white screen. There is no X error listed, and I am able to get to a console terminal with Ctrl-Alt-F1. Any suggestions or advice gratefully received. I have filed an xorg bugzilla, but I've seen no evidence it has ever been looked at. (I tried also to file one with redhat bugzilla but for some reason my application failed (3 times). I was told I would get confirmation email but it never arrived.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 3 15:51:57 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:51:57 +0100 Subject: Pam problem Message-ID: <1096818717.4406.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, The first user to use the soundcard keeps it. No-one else can use the soundcard. Any ideas on how to fix the problem? It is a pam problem IIRC. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From walters at redhat.com Sun Oct 3 15:54:54 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:54:54 -0400 Subject: dbus-daemon-1. Is this right? In-Reply-To: <1096805313.4950.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096805313.4950.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096818894.15534.15.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 13:08 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking at gnome-sys-monitor to see if I can see what's chomping the > processor and I'm seeing 15 instances of dbus-daemon-1 for user 'bev', 2 > for user 'richard' and one for me and root. > > Why should there be this many instances of dbus-daemon-1 running? If it > isn't, any ideas on what is causing this many of instances being created > so I can put something into bugzilla? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133557 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From walters at redhat.com Sun Oct 3 15:56:25 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:56:25 -0400 Subject: SA - multiple instances In-Reply-To: <1096805972.4950.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096805972.4950.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096818985.15534.18.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 13:19 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > ISTR that under FC2, SA did not spawn instances for individual users (or > if it did, then the instances were killed after the end of email > checks). I have two sets running currently, one set for me and one set > as root. Are you using Evolution? It spawns its own spamd IIRC. > Is this the correct behaviour? Probably we shouldn't start the system spamd by default since our default mail client has its own spamd. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 3 15:54:51 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:54:51 +0100 Subject: Login oddity Message-ID: <1096818891.4406.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, If I reboot and login, I get the original fc3t2 black with funny smokey stripes desktop and lots of complaints of panel applets which have failed. I am unable to logout via the redhat menu and have to do it with ctrl alt backspace. Next time I login, everything is fine. If have deleted myself and added myself with s-c-users as that sometimes does the trick. It didn't. When I installed FC3t2, I had one HD in. I then added my old drive with the /home directories, altered fstab and rebooted. It looks like there is a conflict between the /home on /dev/hda2 and the one on the other drive. Is there a simple way to cure the problem? TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 3 16:20:07 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:20:07 +0100 Subject: Pam problem In-Reply-To: <1096819221.15534.19.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1096818717.4406.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096819221.15534.19.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1096820407.4406.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > > The first user to use the soundcard keeps it. No-one else can use the > > soundcard. > > Even after the first user logs out? Or are you doing a login and then > using something like gdmflexiserver to spawn a new concurrent session? Version 1. User 1 logs in, uses xmms, logs out User 2 logs in, xmms reports soundcard blocked Version 2. User 1 logs in, uses xmms, logs into a couple of consoles (use bittorrent, do an update and something else). Logs out User 2 logs in, xmms reports soundcard blocked. What should happen is for version 1, user 2 should gain control over the soundcard. Not sure what should happen for version 2, but I think once user 1 has logged out of the X session, then user 2 should gain permission. Failing that, everyone should have access at all times to the soundcard. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 3 16:39:37 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:39:37 +0100 Subject: Am I going mad? Message-ID: <1096821577.4406.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, My laptop has the 590 kernel on, this box has 584 on and currently on the FC ftp site, it's on 581! What gives? Also, why can't I download and install RealPlayer? It was on the update list a few days back. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 16:49:57 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:49:57 -0700 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096776697.30642.18.camel@binkley> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa79104100221116655c128@mail.gmail.com> <1096776697.30642.18.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104100309492ab0763f@mail.gmail.com> > Also can someone run strace on a reproducing event and send me the > output either privately or in bugzilla? > > I want to know WHERE the exit is happening. > thanks https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134474 Bests, Jon ---- From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 17:00:12 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:00:12 -0400 Subject: Am I going mad? In-Reply-To: <1096821577.4406.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096821577.4406.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa791041003100075f4acb1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:39:37 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > My laptop has the 590 kernel on, this box has 584 on and currently on > the FC ftp site, it's on 581! > > What gives? Kernels have shown up in the development tree and then reverted back to older versions. This sort of thing happens from time to time, and not just to the kernel package. Packages in the development tree can NOT be assumed to be monotonically increasing. Its very important that you watch the daily update reports closely to see if a package has been reverted to a lower version number so you can take appropriate manual action locally. 541 is the currently available development kernel. > > Also, why can't I download and install RealPlayer? It was on the update > list a few days back. Again take a look at the build reports for the development tree in the fedora-devel-list. You will se that Realplayer inclusion into the tree was a mistake, and that it was removed from the tree on the same day that it was accidently included. For future reference you want to look for post to the fedora-devel-list with Subject: rawhide report: changes -jef"and yes you are going mad"spaleta From walters at redhat.com Sun Oct 3 17:03:51 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:03:51 -0400 Subject: Pam problem In-Reply-To: <1096820407.4406.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096818717.4406.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096819221.15534.19.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1096820407.4406.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096823031.15534.30.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 17:20 +0100, Paul wrote: > Version 1. > > User 1 logs in, uses xmms, logs out > User 2 logs in, xmms reports soundcard blocked > > Version 2. > > User 1 logs in, uses xmms, logs into a couple of consoles (use > bittorrent, do an update and something else). Logs out > User 2 logs in, xmms reports soundcard blocked. > > What should happen is for version 1, user 2 should gain control over the > soundcard. Absolutely. If User 2 doesn't gain control that's a bug. Can you be sure that /var/run/console/console.lock doesn't exist after User 1 logs out? > Not sure what should happen for version 2, but I think once > user 1 has logged out of the X session, then user 2 should gain > permission. Yes, I think it would be best if user 2 gained permission as well, but unless the device supports hardware mixing you're going to lose anyways. In this case you need a sound server. But if you do have hardware mixing one nicer way to do this might be to modify pam_console to use ACLs on the devices instead of changing ownership. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux00 at kornet.net Sun Oct 3 17:28:25 2004 From: linux00 at kornet.net (sangu) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 02:28:25 +0900 Subject: Pam problem In-Reply-To: <1096822931261629309.0.ppp8@ppp8> References: <1096818717.4406.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096819221.15534.19.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1096820407.4406.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096822931261629309.0.ppp8@ppp8> Message-ID: <1096824505.4802.6.camel@sangu.sangu.net> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134426#c1 Poul's positng seems to be similar to #134426. 2004-10-03 (?), 13:03 -0400, Colin Walters ???: > On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 17:20 +0100, Paul wrote: > > > Version 1. > > > > User 1 logs in, uses xmms, logs out > > User 2 logs in, xmms reports soundcard blocked > > > > Version 2. > > > > User 1 logs in, uses xmms, logs into a couple of consoles (use > > bittorrent, do an update and something else). Logs out > > User 2 logs in, xmms reports soundcard blocked. > > > > What should happen is for version 1, user 2 should gain control over the > > soundcard. > > Absolutely. If User 2 doesn't gain control that's a bug. Can you be > sure that /var/run/console/console.lock doesn't exist after User 1 logs > out? > > > Not sure what should happen for version 2, but I think once > > user 1 has logged out of the X session, then user 2 should gain > > permission. > > Yes, I think it would be best if user 2 gained permission as well, but > unless the device supports hardware mixing you're going to lose anyways. > In this case you need a sound server. But if you do have hardware > mixing one nicer way to do this might be to modify pam_console to use > ACLs on the devices instead of changing ownership. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 17:31:08 2004 From: esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com (Gabriel Moreno) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:31:08 -0700 Subject: SELinux error with -584 kernel In-Reply-To: <1095898659.4477.27.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <883cfe6d04092217044c616ae4@mail.gmail.com> <1095898659.4477.27.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <85e4e964041003103162b65a33@mail.gmail.com> I too was wondering since after recompiling my kernel I started to get these errors. will have to wait for next kernel release. Its a pain because you cant do anything on CLI all the messages wash up your screen. On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:17:39 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 19:04 -0500, Michel Salim wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I get audit errors when booting up (and similar messages when shutting > > down) with the -1.584 kernel: > > > > audit(1095879279.586:0): avc: denied { read write } for pid=1701 > > exe=/sbin/minilogd name=console dev=tmpfs ino=993 > > scontext=user_u:system_r:syslogd_t tcontext=user_u:object_r:tmpfs_t > > tclass=chr_file > > Dan says it's because the tmpfs xattr support was pulled for some > reason, it should be fixed in the next kernel revision. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 3 17:30:24 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:30:24 +0200 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096816591.14186.21.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096816591.14186.21.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <1096824624.5745.1.camel@kyrre> I have observed that to. I think it was while dowloading the primary.xml.gz file, with a previous version of yum. Also with the default mirror. s?n, 03.10.2004 kl. 17.16 skrev Robert Couture: > On Sat, 2004-02-10 at 13:41 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > > I've looked through the downloadheader code and there are no calls to > > sys.exit anywhere near it. > > Here's an interesting update. Following another's suggestion, I > switched to kernel.org's mirror, and the problem goes away. > > A noted behaviour of the default mirror I have observed is that it > "stutters" It will stop during downloads. The stop can be as little as > a second or as long as permanent (based on waiting over 10 minutes to > resume and getting impatient. ;) Occasionally, yum errors out. > > I am wondering if that may be the source of the problem?? This > "stuttering" is not observed when using kernel.org's mirror. > > Just a thought ... > > Rob. > From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 17:36:01 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:36:01 -0700 Subject: SELinux error with -584 kernel In-Reply-To: <85e4e964041003103162b65a33@mail.gmail.com> References: <883cfe6d04092217044c616ae4@mail.gmail.com> <1095898659.4477.27.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <85e4e964041003103162b65a33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410031036757e18d4@mail.gmail.com> > > > I get audit errors when booting up (and similar messages when shutting > > > down) with the -1.584 kernel: > > Dan says it's because the tmpfs xattr support was pulled for some > > reason, it should be fixed in the next kernel revision. --snip-- 2.6.8-1.541 kernel is current, the 584 was pulled. See if reverting to 541 solves your problem. -- Bests, Jon ---- ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. From cra at WPI.EDU Sun Oct 3 17:38:01 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:38:01 -0400 Subject: SELinux error with -584 kernel In-Reply-To: <85e4e964041003103162b65a33@mail.gmail.com> References: <883cfe6d04092217044c616ae4@mail.gmail.com> <1095898659.4477.27.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <85e4e964041003103162b65a33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041003173801.GF17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 10:31:08AM -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > I too was wondering since after recompiling my kernel I started to get > these errors. will have to wait for next kernel release. Its a pain > because you cant do anything on CLI all the messages wash up your > screen. You can change the kernel log level with the Magic SysRq key sequence: alt-sysrq-0 (loglevel 0) through alt-sysrq-8 (loglevel 8) Firts enable Magic SysRq in /etc/sysctl.conf: # Controls the System Request debugging functionality of the kernel kernel.sysrq = 1 or manually: sysctl -w kernel.sysrq=1 From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Sun Oct 3 17:52:21 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:52:21 -0300 Subject: Pam problem In-Reply-To: <1096823031.15534.30.camel@nexus.verbum.private> References: <1096818717.4406.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096819221.15534.19.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <1096820407.4406.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096823031.15534.30.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1096825941.21025.2.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Dom, 2004-10-03 ?s 14:03, Colin Walters escreveu: > > Version 2. > > User 1 logs in, uses xmms, logs into a couple of consoles (use > > bittorrent, do an update and something else). Logs out > > User 2 logs in, xmms reports soundcard blocked. > > Not sure what should happen for version 2, but I think once > > user 1 has logged out of the X session, then user 2 should gain > > permission. > Yes, I think it would be best if user 2 gained permission as well, but > unless the device supports hardware mixing you're going to lose anyways. > In this case you need a sound server. But if you do have hardware > mixing one nicer way to do this might be to modify pam_console to use > ACLs on the devices instead of changing ownership. And what alsa is all about? -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sun Oct 3 18:20:55 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:20:55 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096781743.30642.30.camel@binkley> References: <1096729031.14186.12.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <2ad7cea1041002092629eafc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1096775945.30642.16.camel@binkley> <1096780074.18452.67.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1096781743.30642.30.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1096827655.784.2.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 01:35, seth vidal wrote: > > Working my way through the http mirrors at > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html and haven't hit any yet > > with the problem at http://download.fedora.redhat.com/... and I'm > > through USA East, USA West, and Canada. Starting to look more and more > > like a download.fedora.redhat.com http specific problem. > > > > Except that...*sigh*...I can't reproduce it now, even though I could > > just three hours ago. > > What changed on your system? Have you rebooted since then? Honestly, nothing other than the four packages I've been downgrading and upgrading to test (fsh, gmp, gmp-devel, and ytalk). Didn't even reboot. I was just able to reproduce it, but then *immediately* afterwards, it went away again. Arrggh! This is frustrating! -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From leon.stringer at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 3 19:02:04 2004 From: leon.stringer at ntlworld.com (Leon Stringer) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:02:04 +0100 Subject: Zip drive not working Message-ID: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, My internal Zip drive does not work with FC3t2. It worked on install with FC2 so I guess it should with FC3? (Details below). Is this just a bug I should report somewhere? Is this working for anyone else? Thanks in advance, Leon... --- /etc/sysconfig/hwconf entry: class: FLOPPY bus: IDE detached: 0 device: hdb driver: ignore desc: "IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI" physical: 0/0/0 logical: 96/64/32 Corresponding /etc/fstab entry: /dev/hdb /media/floppy auto noauto,user,exec,kudzu 0 0 Working /etc/fstab entry from FC2: /dev/hdb4 /mnt/zip auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 3 18:57:29 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias Feliciano) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:57:29 +0200 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1096829849.7688.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le sam 02/10/2004 ? 20:01, malcolm a ?crit : > Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 > players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in > the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on > every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - > How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. > Seems hal have solved you problem. Anyway, I found some problems with udev. Example : my rules : BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="dvdrom dvd cdrom%e" BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cdrw cdrom%e" I have ide-cd as module. # modprobe ide-cd From /var/log/message : blabla Oct 3 20:32:37 localhost udev: creating device node '/dev/hdb' Oct 3 20:32:37 localhost udev: creating device node '/dev/hdd' # ll /dev/hdb /dev/hdd brw-r----- 1 root disk 3, 64 oct 3 20:32 /dev/hdb brw-r----- 1 root disk 22, 64 oct 3 20:32 /dev/hdd Yes, root and not the current user as expected. This is because /etc/dev.d/pam_console.dev is not correctly call. from /var/log/secure (you should adapt you syslog.conf): Oct 3 20:32:37 localhost pam_console.dev: Restoring console permissions for /dev/hdb /dev/dvdrom dvd cdrom Oct 3 20:32:37 localhost pam_console.dev: Restoring console permissions for /dev/hdd /dev/cdrw cdrom Should be "/dev/hdb /dev/dvdrom /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom" and not "/dev/hdb /dev/dvdrom dvd cdrom" AFAIK. pam_console_setowner is called two time for each device : pam_concole_setowner /dev/hdb nice but there is no rule in /etc/security/console.perms for /dev/hdb. pam_console_setowner "/dev/dvdrom dvd cdrom" Note the ". The file "/dev/dvdrom dvd cdrom" does not exist and there is no rule for it in /etc/security/console.perms . Also, we should expect two cdrom link. # ll /dev/cdrom* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 3 20:32 /dev/cdrom -> hdd Only one. '%e' is not correctly handle when it is not used in the first symlink name. I try to fix this. This is what I get now : # modprobe ide-cd from /var/log/secure : Oct 3 20:48:19 localhost pam_console.dev: Restoring console permissions for /dev/hdd /dev/cdrw /dev/cdrom1 Oct 3 20:48:19 localhost pam_console.dev: Restoring console permissions for /dev/hdb /dev/dvdrom /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom # ll /dev/hdb /dev/hdd brw------- 1 test2 disk 3, 64 oct 3 20:48 /dev/hdb brw------- 1 test2 disk 22, 64 oct 3 20:48 /dev/hdd # ll /dev/cdrom* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 3 20:48 /dev/cdrom -> hdb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 3 20:48 /dev/cdrom1 -> hdd Bugzilla : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134477 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134478 The patchs are in bugzilla and here : http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/udev/ > Ta > > mal > > FC3 Test 2 BTW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From geoff at direcway.com Sun Oct 3 20:09:37 2004 From: geoff at direcway.com (Geoffrey Leach) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:09:37 +0000 Subject: noob sata question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096834177l.4568l.0l@mtranch.mtranch.com> On 10.02 16:33, Chris Tencati wrote: > Back when I had FC2 with the 2.4.x kernel, obviously there was no > sata support built-in, but I'm using a promise controller and they > make their drivers available for download/build, so everything worked > fine. Now I'm using an up to date (as of yesterday) version of > FC2T2, and that's causing some problems for me. SATA support is now > built-in to the kernel, which is great, but I can't figure out how to > actually access the disk...with the old driver I think it got > reported as a scsi drive (which I swear is wrong) [snip] The SATA devices are interfaced as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, ... If you mount them normally from /dev/sda, ... all should be well. It's been working this way since the 2.6 kernels were introduced in FC1T1. From fedora at warmcat.com Sun Oct 3 21:12:26 2004 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:12:26 +0100 Subject: Automount / Autofs not timing out and unmounting usb flashkey Message-ID: <200410032212.30368.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks - Just noticed on two machines tracking the Development branch, that autofs seems to be ignoring --timeout. Eg: /etc/auto.master: /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=2 /etc/auto.misc: usbautocam - -fstype=vfat,nosuid,nodev,sync,dirsync,uid=99,gid=99,umask=000 :/dev/sda1 mount shows autofs running: ... automount(pid6032) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=6032,minproto=2,maxproto=4) On device insertion, it is automounted: ... automount(pid6032) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=6032,minproto=2,maxproto=4) /dev/sda1 on /misc/usbautocam type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,dirsync,uid=99,gid=99,umask=000) However.... [root at fastcat ~]# lsof -n | grep /misc automount 6032 root 4r DIR 0,18 0 18246 /misc Okay so nothing is touching the mountpoint /misc/usbautocam. Wait several seconds and do another mount command to see what is what.... ... automount(pid6032) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=6032,minproto=2,maxproto=4) /dev/sda1 on /misc/usbautocam type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,dirsync,uid=99,gid=99,umask=000) Previously the mountpoint would disappear after a couple of seconds, now it is immortal. [root at fastcat ~]# rpm -q autofs autofs-4.1.3-22 Unmounting by hand works okay, and will allow reinsertion of the device, which is then automounted again. But never auto-unmounted. - -Andy - -- http://www.addintelligence.co.uk -- we design custom hardware and software for your products -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYGs+jKeDCxMJCTIRAjQ4AKCC7qciuM+AF2hf1rU/3cAL/eGKKwCeNWb4 X2wMXC01thBUhF21RXfc76I= =arA1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 21:23:36 2004 From: esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com (Gabriel Moreno) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:23:36 -0700 Subject: Is it safe to upgrade to udev 032? Message-ID: <85e4e96404100314235a55d8a@mail.gmail.com> Last udev upgrade I did resulted fatal. Is it safe to upgrade to udev 032 release 7? From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 21:29:40 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:29:40 -0700 Subject: Is it safe to upgrade to udev 032? In-Reply-To: <85e4e96404100314235a55d8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <85e4e96404100314235a55d8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410031429213b7f37@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:23:36 -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > Last udev upgrade I did resulted fatal. Is it safe to upgrade to udev > 032 release 7? udev-032-7 is working for me, the system boots OK etc. YMMV. Bests Jon From linxt at comcast.net Sun Oct 3 22:06:07 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:06:07 -0700 Subject: Zip drive not working In-Reply-To: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200410031506.07542.linxt@comcast.net> On Sunday 03 October 2004 12:02, Leon Stringer wrote: > Hi, > > My internal Zip drive does not work with FC3t2. It worked on install > with FC2 so I guess it should with FC3? > > (Details below). > > Is this just a bug I should report somewhere? Is this working for anyone > else? > > Thanks in advance, > > Leon... > --- > /etc/sysconfig/hwconf entry: > > class: FLOPPY > bus: IDE > detached: 0 > device: hdb > driver: ignore > desc: "IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI" > physical: 0/0/0 > logical: 96/64/32 > > Corresponding /etc/fstab entry: > > /dev/hdb /media/floppy auto > noauto,user,exec,kudzu 0 0 > > Working /etc/fstab entry from FC2: > /dev/hdb4 /mnt/zip auto > noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 Hi Leon: You may have a problem with privileges. The /etc/fstab shows "owner" not "user". Are you trying to use the zip drive as a user or as root/su? If you're trying to us it as a normal user you need to change the /etc/fstab entry to: /dev/hdb4 /mnt/zip auto noauto,user,kudzu 0 0 Also check /dev/hdb4 to ensure the device was created. -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 Let us know if that doesn't do the trick. Tom From fkooman at bromstraat.net Sun Oct 3 22:28:22 2004 From: fkooman at bromstraat.net (F. Kooman) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:28:22 +0200 Subject: Zip drive not working In-Reply-To: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096842502.19515.4.camel@dilithium.bromstraat.net> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 21:02, Leon Stringer wrote: > Hi, > > My internal Zip drive does not work with FC3t2. It worked on install > with FC2 so I guess it should with FC3? > > (Details below). > > Is this just a bug I should report somewhere? Is this working for anyone > else? A ZIP disk has a fat(32) partition at /dev/hdX4 by default which is a little strange, you can create an ext3 filesystem on them (even directly on /dev/hdX, without a partition table). If you try that it will most likely work. You can't access them in Windows after that of course. But I think it's a bug. HAL/udev? should detect the (fat) partitions on the disk after insertion, even if hdX1 through hdX3 don't exist, and work without a problem. Fran?ois -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From cbcornelius at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 22:31:35 2004 From: cbcornelius at gmail.com (Christopher Cornelius) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:31:35 -0500 Subject: Edit the boot manager Message-ID: Hello community, Where do I go to edit the boot manager? -- Christopher B. Cornelius From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Oct 3 22:44:31 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:44:31 +0200 Subject: Is it safe to upgrade to udev 032? In-Reply-To: <85e4e96404100314235a55d8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <85e4e96404100314235a55d8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096843471.18818.15.camel@hostmaster.org> Just ensure that /sbin/udevstart created the critical /dev entries before rebooting. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Programmer: A biological machine designed to convert caffeine into code. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 23:01:51 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:01:51 -0700 Subject: Edit the boot manager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410031601525cf166@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:31:35 -0500, Christopher Cornelius wrote: > Hello community, > > Where do I go to edit the boot manager? -- man grub. Bests, Jon ---- From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Sun Oct 3 23:36:51 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:36:51 -0400 Subject: Is it safe to upgrade to udev 032? In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea10410031429213b7f37@mail.gmail.com> References: <85e4e96404100314235a55d8a@mail.gmail.com> <2ad7cea10410031429213b7f37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41608D13.50601@rogers.com> Jon Savage wrote: >On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:23:36 -0700, Gabriel Moreno > wrote: > > >>Last udev upgrade I did resulted fatal. Is it safe to upgrade to udev >>032 release 7? >> >> >udev-032-7 is working for me, the system boots OK etc. YMMV. > >Bests > >Jon > > > I'm ok. Just the error message which is no harm. Dwaine From cra at WPI.EDU Mon Oct 4 00:11:02 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:11:02 -0400 Subject: iiimf, ecj, mod_perl missing dependencies Message-ID: <20041004001102.GA4901@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> These have been in the development repo for over a week. Are these problems known? Error: missing dep: iiimf-server for pkg iiimf-le-sun-chinese Error: missing dep: iiimf-server for pkg iiimf-le-freewnn Error: missing dep: iiimf-server for pkg iiimf-le-sun-korea Error: missing dep: ecj for pkg ecj-devel Error: missing dep: perl(Data::Flow) for pkg mod_perl Error: missing dep: perl(Module::Build) for pkg mod_perl From linxt at comcast.net Mon Oct 4 00:19:11 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:19:11 -0700 Subject: Zip drive not working In-Reply-To: <1096842502.19515.4.camel@dilithium.bromstraat.net> References: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096842502.19515.4.camel@dilithium.bromstraat.net> Message-ID: <200410031719.11432.linxt@comcast.net> On Sunday 03 October 2004 15:28, F. Kooman wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 21:02, Leon Stringer wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My internal Zip drive does not work with FC3t2. It worked on install > > with FC2 so I guess it should with FC3? > > > > (Details below). > > > > Is this just a bug I should report somewhere? Is this working for anyone > > else? > > A ZIP disk has a fat(32) partition at /dev/hdX4 by default which is a > little strange, you can create an ext3 filesystem on them (even directly > on /dev/hdX, without a partition table). If you try that it will most > likely work. You can't access them in Windows after that of course. > > But I think it's a bug. HAL/udev? should detect the (fat) partitions on > the disk after insertion, even if hdX1 through hdX3 don't exist, and > work without a problem. > > Fran?ois > -- > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Why would udev be involved? This is not a usb device!. In the first sentence it stated "My internal Zip drive" and then the listing of the hwconf showed it to be an IDE bus device and "desc: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI". The hdx4 does sound a bit odd though. I have a similar device (Iomega ZIP 750 ATAPI) on the IDE bus and it shows up as /dev/hdd (/mnt/zip) under FC3t2. Tom -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 4 00:28:25 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:28:25 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 and Nforce3 Chipset Support In-Reply-To: <1096812124.3325.5.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1096767782.3169.0.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> <415F9660.8080105@streamyx.com> <1096812124.3325.5.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <1096849705.4316.7.camel@rachelsp4.lingpgmr.com> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 10:02 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 14:04 +0800, Mazli Alias wrote: > > Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > What's your motherboard? I'm using K8Neo Platinum withMarvell 88E1111 > > 1000Mbps..both the Eth and sound works from initial install. > > > I'm using the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum with the Nforce3 Ultra chipset. I > have both the Marvell and the Realtek 1000Mbps NIC's onboard. > > Perhaps I need to retry the install and investigate more closely. Well, it all turned out to be quite simple. I have dual onboard NIC's. My ethernet cable was plugged into the top one which was not the Realtek 8110S and seemed to confuse the installer. I put my ethernet wire in the Realtek plug, took the trouble to download the FC3-test2-x86_64 CD's, pointed the installer at my NFS directory and enjoyed my fastest install ever. It just tore through all those packages in what feels like under 30 minutes. I'm now updating a huge bunch of packages. Bob From gstool at earthlink.net Mon Oct 4 01:00:07 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:00:07 -0500 Subject: Zip drive not working In-Reply-To: <200410031719.11432.linxt@comcast.net> References: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096842502.19515.4.camel@dilithium.bromstraat.net> <200410031719.11432.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4160A097.3000006@earthlink.net> Tom Taylor wrote: > On Sunday 03 October 2004 15:28, F. Kooman wrote: > >>On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 21:02, Leon Stringer wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>My internal Zip drive does not work with FC3t2. It worked on install >>>with FC2 so I guess it should with FC3? >>> >>>(Details below). >>> >>>Is this just a bug I should report somewhere? Is this working for anyone >>>else? >> >>A ZIP disk has a fat(32) partition at /dev/hdX4 by default which is a >>little strange, you can create an ext3 filesystem on them (even directly >>on /dev/hdX, without a partition table). If you try that it will most >>likely work. You can't access them in Windows after that of course. >> >>But I think it's a bug. HAL/udev? should detect the (fat) partitions on >>the disk after insertion, even if hdX1 through hdX3 don't exist, and >>work without a problem. >> >>Fran?ois >>-- >>Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. >>See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > Why would udev be involved? This is not a usb device!. In the first sentence > it stated "My internal Zip drive" and then the listing of the hwconf showed > it to be an IDE bus device and "desc: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI". The hdx4 does > sound a bit odd though. > > I have a similar device (Iomega ZIP 750 ATAPI) on the IDE bus and it shows up > as /dev/hdd (/mnt/zip) under FC3t2. > > Tom > And, can you mount it as a user? A recently installed and completely up2date FC3T2 system will have permissions set in fstab that do not allow user mounting of any removable media devices. This is a bug. I will report it if someone can tell me for sure which component to file it against. There appears to have been a major change in the organization of software dealing with removable media devices, and I do not understand the situation well enough to know where to point a finger. Thanks. Gerry Tool From gstool at earthlink.net Mon Oct 4 01:23:08 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:23:08 -0500 Subject: hald not running, says it starts, but still not running In-Reply-To: <415EB1E9.2070403@speakeasy.net> References: <1096666166.3503.8.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> <415EB1E9.2070403@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1096852989.3610.5.camel@gstpc-test.earthlink.net> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 09:49 -0400, Andrew wrote: > Hi, > > As root, do this > hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes > see what you get... > Build system reports a new hal package for 10/2 so updating might fix it > I haven't done that yet. (otherwise drop back to hal-0.2.98cvs20040923 > which works OK) > > Andrew I just booted to FC3T2 and suddenly Removable Storage is working. Inserting a CD makes it available for mountint from "Computer." That did not work yesterday. My Zip drive still will not mount because the system isn't detecting the file system type (FAT) on the disk. This is not normal operation either. I'm currently downloading today's updates, so that may make a change. hald is running this time. I ran the command, but since hald is running, the output probably doesn't mean much. [root at gstpc-test gerry]# /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes 20:21:29.588 [I] hald.c:390: hal 0.2.98.cvs20040929 20:21:29.588 [I] hald.c:394: Will not daemonize Error binding to /var/run/hal/hotplug_socket: Address already in use Gerry Tool > > Gerry Tool wrote: > > >When I open Preferences > Removable Storage, an Error box opens saying > >Volume Management not Supported. The "hald" service is required, but > >not currently running. Enable the service and rerun this applet ... > > > >When I go to System Settings > Server Settings > Services, haldaemon is > >checked, but Status is "hald is stopped." When I click on Start, an > >Information box says "haldaemon start successful", but Status still > >indicates "hald is stopped." > > > >This is a recently installed FC3T2 Personal Desktop install with all > >updates available as of 10/1/04 4:23pm CDT installed. This is probably > >the root cause of not being able to mount a CD as noted in an earlier > >post. > > > >Any suggestions? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Gerry Tool > > > > > > > > > From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 4 01:44:26 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:44:26 -0600 Subject: iiimf, ecj, mod_perl missing dependencies In-Reply-To: <20041004001102.GA4901@angus.ind.WPI.EDU>; from cra@WPI.EDU on Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 08:11:02PM -0400 References: <20041004001102.GA4901@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <20041003194426.A8195@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 08:11:02PM -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > These have been in the development repo for over a week. Are these > problems known? .... > Error: missing dep: perl(Data::Flow) for pkg mod_perl > Error: missing dep: perl(Module::Build) for pkg mod_perl https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134447 Other I do not know. Michal From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 4 03:14:56 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:14:56 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <4160C030.8060008@sbcglobal.net> Paul Nasrat wrote: > The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not > had any reports on how it's been recieved. > > If anyone has a laptop with Synaptics touchpad (grep > Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices), and done an install this week I'd be > grateful to here if it's all working OK. > > Discuss here or on #fedora-bugweek (nasrat). > > Thanks > > Paul > I was running my laptop w/ the xorg.conf generated by s-c-display and downloading upgrades, letting the screensavers kick in when not actually at the computer. Later, the mouse did not seem to do anything with either the touchpad tapping, scrolling or with the mechanical buttons. The cursor moved wherever running the finger over the pad area. Changing to the console revealed this error repeatadly within the xorg.0.log on this session. Pasted error below from log. Full log available if bugzilla entry needed. Though it appeared X was frozen, I was able to change to a terminal. This error was also displayed on the terminal startx was launched from. I use acpi and not apm. I can only boot using acpi. Jim Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) RADEON(0): [RESUME] Attempting to re-init Radeon hardware. (II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1002/0xcab0; Card 0x1002/0x4336] Synaptics DeviceOn called (--) Synaptics synaptics touchpad found (II) Mouse0: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded Synaptics DeviceOff called -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 03:31:59 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:31:59 -0400 Subject: syslogd not syslogging In-Reply-To: <1096753671.18452.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1096753671.18452.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <20041004033159.GB7627@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Paul Iadonisi (pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to) said: > audit(1096753583.523:0): avc: denied { search } for pid=2765 > exe=/sbin/minilogd dev=tmpfs ino=817 scontext=user_u:system_r:syslogd_t > tcontext=user_u:object_r:tmpfs_t tclass=dir You'll need restorecon on /dev and /dev/*. Bill From notting at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 03:33:02 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:33:02 -0400 Subject: What happened to rawhide? In-Reply-To: <1096761141.18818.7.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1096761141.18818.7.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041004033302.GC7627@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Thomas Zehetbauer (thomasz at hostmaster.org) said: > I just updated my rawhide installation and ended up manually downgrading > kernel-smp from 2.6.8-1.590 to 2.6.8-1.541, also there are no jakarta > packages (ant, bcel, xalan,...) and no i386 firefox for x86_64 anymore. kernel - downgraded to keep SELinux working (need xattrs on tmpfs) java stuff - broken, removed at request of current maintainer i386 firefox for x86-64 - dependency fixing (it was being pulled in incorrectly.) Bill From lee_connell at hotmail.com Mon Oct 4 03:41:10 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:41:10 -0400 Subject: up2date & rhn_register Message-ID: Hey guys, My dumb self was foolin around and used rhn_register and now it keeps wanting me to login to RHN, I do and of course it dont have channels for FC3 :).. anyone know how to stop this from happening? Lee From rodd at clarkson.id.au Mon Oct 4 03:47:10 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:47:10 +1000 Subject: Zip drive not working In-Reply-To: <200410031719.11432.linxt@comcast.net> References: <1096830124.4149.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096842502.19515.4.camel@dilithium.bromstraat.net> <200410031719.11432.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1096861631.3484.23.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> > Why would udev be involved? This is not a usb device!. In the first sentence > it stated "My internal Zip drive" and then the listing of the hwconf showed > it to be an IDE bus device and "desc: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI". The hdx4 does > sound a bit odd though. AFAIA, udev is just the /dev filesystem created in userspace, instead of being pre-described. If you `ls /dev` you'll notice that there are far less items in the listing than there used to be, but the devices you need are there (and are added and removed on demand) I'm not aware that this is specific to USB, although USB is one of the types of devices handed by udev. rpm -qa udev shows: Summary : A userspace implementation of devfs Description : udev is a implementation of devfs in userspace using sysfs and /sbin/hotplug. It requires a 2.6 kernel to run properly. Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Mon Oct 4 04:13:04 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:13:04 -0400 Subject: Rawhide on a Dell CPi300DX working - some notes and a Thank You Message-ID: <20041004041304.GA1370@wolves.durham.nc.us> First, THANKS for putting XFCE in the install options! Installing rawhide of 2004-10-02 on my Dell CPi300DX is working just fine. Prior to 2004-10-01 there were problems with the pcmcia ethernet card that prevented FC3tX from working. As for the screen not wanting to go above 800x600, that's just a memory limitation. Reducing to 16bpp let me get full screen size. Good job by the FC3tX team for making this machine useable again. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From llch at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 06:18:34 2004 From: llch at redhat.com (Leon Ho) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:18:34 +1000 Subject: gettext rpm defect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096870714.3809.32.camel@windcloud.brisbane.redhat.com> Thanks for spotting the typo. Fixed in rawhide. Leon On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:46 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > gettext 100 % done 30/572 > /var/tmp/rpm/rpm-tmp.63051: line 2: fg: no job control > error: %post(gettext-0.14.1-9) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 > > From fedora at warmcat.com Mon Oct 4 07:39:16 2004 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:39:16 +0100 Subject: Automount / Autofs not timing out and unmounting usb flashkey In-Reply-To: <200410032212.30368.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <200410032212.30368.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <200410040839.20294.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 03 October 2004 22:12, you wrote: > Hi folks - > > Just noticed on two machines tracking the Development branch, that autofs > seems to be ignoring --timeout. Eg: Already Bugzilla-ed --- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133365 - --- since 2004-09-23 without comment.... - -Andy - -- http://www.addintelligence.co.uk -- we design custom hardware and software for your products -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYP4ojKeDCxMJCTIRAtVUAJ9pQhNeavABosGRD2CPTdG2CdzKAwCcD6/u UeoWPQTA+NzVTAGBNzmBpDc= =VZOk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From harald at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 09:19:18 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:19:18 +0200 Subject: parallel port setup in this brave new udev world? In-Reply-To: <1096691473.3300.14.camel@localhost> References: <20041002034243.487E173EE8@hormel.redhat.com> <1096691473.3300.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <41611596.5010102@redhat.com> Michael Wiktowy wrote: > I have a parallel port scanner that has traditionally been pointed > at /dev/parport0 (call me a savage if you want ... but it hasn't died > yet so I haven't bought a newfangled usb one) > > However, that device is nowhere to be found so I cannot use the udev > permissions file to set the permissions on the device so that regular > users can use xsane (and avoid the scolding for using xsane as root) > > Oddly enough, root can run xsane fine eventhough there is no device for > it to find ... > > Three questions that I hope someone can enlighten me on: > > 1) Is there a missing > KERNEL="parport*", NAME="%n", SYMLINK="parport%e" > line in the rules file for udev? This is nonsense and would create: /dev/0 /dev/parport -> /dev/0 /dev/1 /dev/parport1 -> /dev/1 If there is no rule, udev takes the kernel name... just load the ppdev module > > 2) Why is it that root can find the parport device fine eventhough it > does not seem to exist? i.e. the scanner is detected and runs fine while > regular users can't find the scanner. $ ll /dev/parport0 crw-rw---- 1 root lp 99, 0 4. Okt 11:16 /dev/parport0 $ ll /dev/lp0 crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 1. Okt 16:18 /dev/lp0 Maybe it accesses the scanner through /dev/lp0. Normal users do not have permissions for that file. > > 3) How does one cause udevd to reread and reapply the rules/permissions > in the etc files other than rebooting? "service udevd restart", "udevd", > "udevstart" all give me no joy. /sbin/udevstart _should_ do the job. From russell at coker.com.au Mon Oct 4 09:26:56 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:26:56 +1000 Subject: FC3T2 dev selinux In-Reply-To: <000001c4a8ca$e1c8f440$0200000a@frank> References: <000001c4a8ca$e1c8f440$0200000a@frank> Message-ID: <200410041926.56755.russell@coker.com.au> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:57, "raxet" wrote: > I'd like nothing more to do that if I could halt system boot log enough to > write down the mumbo jumbo. :) There is a reason for /var/log/messages... -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From pnasrat at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 11:40:14 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:40:14 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <4160C030.8060008@sbcglobal.net> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <4160C030.8060008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1096890014.3928.20.camel@anu.eridu> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 23:14 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Paul Nasrat wrote: > > The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not > > had any reports on how it's been recieved. > > > > If anyone has a laptop with Synaptics touchpad (grep > > Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices), and done an install this week I'd be > > grateful to here if it's all working OK. > > > > Discuss here or on #fedora-bugweek (nasrat). > > > > Thanks > > > > Paul > > > > I was running my laptop w/ the xorg.conf generated by s-c-display and > downloading upgrades, letting the screensavers kick in when not actually > at the computer. Later, the mouse did not seem to do anything with > either the touchpad tapping, scrolling or with the mechanical buttons. > The cursor moved wherever running the finger over the pad area. Changing > to the console revealed this error repeatadly within the xorg.0.log on > this session. Pasted error below from log. Full log available if > bugzilla entry needed. Please create a new bugzilla entry against the synaptics driver. Paul From harald at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 12:07:32 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:07:32 +0200 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <1096829849.7688.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> <1096829849.7688.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41613D04.6020003@redhat.com> Matias Feliciano wrote: > Le sam 02/10/2004 ? 20:01, malcolm a ?crit : > >>Since this is my home PC I want anyone to be able to mount usb-mp3 >>players, DVDs, CDRW etc. I used to do this by just bunging 'users' in >>the fstab options. Now something ( udev or whatever ) overwrites it on >>every boot and then I get the message 'only root can mount etc etc' - >>How do I make it so that everyone and their dog can mount anything. >> > > > Seems hal have solved you problem. > > Anyway, I found some problems with udev. > > Example : > my rules : > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="dvdrom dvd cdrom%e" > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cdrw cdrom%e" > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", SYMLINK="dvdrom" BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", SYMLINK="dvd" BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", SYMLINK="cdrom%e" BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B", SYMLINK="cdrw" BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B", SYMLINK="cdrom%e" This should work, instead of your rules... only one SYMLINK per rule please! From markmc at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 12:09:15 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:09:15 +0100 Subject: VNC - Vino shift keys not working with certain characters In-Reply-To: <1096732944.2780.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096732944.2780.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096891754.8563.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 17:02, ian clancy wrote: > Hi List, > I cannot get certain keys working with a vnc session to FC3T2. Im using > on vnc-4.0-1.beta4.11 on FC2 to vnc to vino-2.8.0.1-1 on FC3T2. > On both of these PC's i am using the the "United Kingdom" keyboard type. > Two particular keys combos that do not work are - \ which should > produce the pipe character '|' and - 3 which should produce the > '?' symbol. > Both of these key combo's work fine when using the PC's directly. i.e > not through a VNC session. Can't confirm right now, but please file a bug. Thanks much, Mark. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 4 12:54:54 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias Feliciano) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:54:54 +0200 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <41613D04.6020003@redhat.com> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> <1096829849.7688.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41613D04.6020003@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1096894493.31704.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lun 04/10/2004 ? 14:07, Harald Hoyer a ?crit : > Matias Feliciano wrote: > > Example : > > my rules : > > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="dvdrom dvd cdrom%e" > > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cdrw cdrom%e" > > > > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", SYMLINK="dvdrom" > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", SYMLINK="dvd" > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E", SYMLINK="cdrom%e" > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B", SYMLINK="cdrw" > BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd*", RESULT="SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-240B", SYMLINK="cdrom%e" > > This should work, instead of your rules... only one SYMLINK per rule please! man udev : SYMLINK The name of a symlink targeting the node. Multiple symlinks may be specified by separating the names by the space character. Also, I go through udev code and udev support multi symlink per rule. From I vanilla udev-032 : udev-add.c ; static int create_node(struct udevice *dev, int fake) { ... /* create symlink(s) if requested */ foreach_strpart(dev->symlink, " ", pos, len) { strfieldcpymax(linkname, pos, len+1); strfieldcpy(filename, udev_root); strfieldcat(filename, linkname); I fix some problem, but consider that SYMLINK="dvdrom dvd cdrom" works without my patch. A vanilla udev will create 3 symlinks right now and does not do a single : ln -s %k "dvdrom dvd cdrom" So, if udev does not support multi links per rule, then the man page should be updated (and the code is broken in many other place). Another point : form : file:///usr/share/doc/udev-032/writing_udev_rules/index.html It is important that your own rules get processed before the udev defaults, otherwise your own naming schemes will not take effect! I suggest that you keep your own rules in a file at /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules (this doesn't exist by default - create it). As 10 comes before 50, you know that your rules will be looked at first. As your own rules will effectively mask out the udev defaults which create the base /dev layout, it is recommended that you also specify devfs-style names/symlinks for the rules you write, so that you get the sensible defaults plus your own names. So, your solution does not works :-) With your solution and for "CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E" (hdb), i only have dvdrom : $ ll /dev/ | grep hdb ll /dev | grep hdb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:40 dvdrom -> hdb brw-r----- 1 root disk 3, 64 oct 4 14:40 hdb Note that "=/dev/cdrom*" from /etc/security/console.perms is not apply. With my "not so broken" rule : # ll /dev | grep hdb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:51 cdrom -> hdb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:51 dvd -> hdb lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:51 dvdrom -> hdb brw------- 1 test2 disk 3, 64 oct 4 14:51 hdb -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Oct 4 12:57:10 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:57:10 +0100 Subject: Yum repositories Message-ID: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> (1) What yum repositories can one use for FC3t2 ? (2) Is this kind of info for FC3t2 documented somewhere? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From harald at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 13:04:28 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:04:28 +0200 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <1096894493.31704.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> <1096829849.7688.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41613D04.6020003@redhat.com> <1096894493.31704.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41614A5C.2050200@redhat.com> Matias Feliciano wrote: > man udev : > SYMLINK > The name of a symlink targeting the node. Multiple symlinks may > be specified by separating the names by the space character. ok... _I_ should RTFM also ... :) > Another point : > form : file:///usr/share/doc/udev-032/writing_udev_rules/index.html > It is important that your own rules get processed before the > udev defaults, otherwise your own naming schemes will not take > effect! I suggest that you keep your own rules in a file at > /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules (this doesn't exist by default > - create it). As 10 comes before 50, you know that your rules > will be looked at first. > > As your own rules will effectively mask out the udev defaults > which create the base /dev layout, it is recommended that you > also specify devfs-style names/symlinks for the rules you write, > so that you get the sensible defaults plus your own names. > > > So, your solution does not works :-) > With your solution and for "CREATIVE DVD-ROM DVD1243E" (hdb), i only > have dvdrom : > $ ll /dev/ | grep hdb > ll /dev | grep hdb > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:40 dvdrom -> hdb > brw-r----- 1 root disk 3, 64 oct 4 14:40 hdb > > Note that "=/dev/cdrom*" from /etc/security/console.perms is not > apply. > > With my "not so broken" rule : > # ll /dev | grep hdb > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:51 cdrom -> hdb > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:51 dvd -> hdb > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 oct 4 14:51 dvdrom -> hdb > brw------- 1 test2 disk 3, 64 oct 4 14:51 hdb > > $ man udev .... SYMLINK ... If only the symlink field is given and the name field is omit- ted, the rule will not be applied immediatly, but the symlink field is added to the symlink list of the rule which will create the node. This makes it possible to specify additional symlinks in a possibly separate rules file, while the device nodes are maintained by the distribution provided rules file. ... maybe you left NAME="%k" ... From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 4 13:20:16 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias Feliciano) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:20:16 +0200 Subject: Udev and fstab - beginners question In-Reply-To: <41614A5C.2050200@redhat.com> References: <1096740079.9561.6.camel@interele.demon.co.uk> <1096829849.7688.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41613D04.6020003@redhat.com> <1096894493.31704.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41614A5C.2050200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1096896016.31704.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lun 04/10/2004 ? 15:04, Harald Hoyer a ?crit : > $ man udev > .... > SYMLINK > ... > If only the symlink field is given and the name field is omit- > ted, the rule will not be applied immediatly, but the symlink > field is added to the symlink list of the rule which will create > the node. This makes it possible to specify additional symlinks > in a possibly separate rules file, while the device nodes are > maintained by the distribution provided rules file. > ... > > maybe you left NAME="%k" ... Yes, now this works. Sorry to have not enough carefully read your previous mail. Also, with this "trick" i don't need to copy the default value in my custom file (with multi links in one rule or not). Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e. URL: From cbcornelius at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 13:28:26 2004 From: cbcornelius at gmail.com (Christopher Cornelius) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:28:26 -0500 Subject: Graphical Grub Message-ID: Hello Community. Can anyone tell me if there is a graphical way to alter the boot configuration once Fedora is installed? Perhaps a "graphical" grub. I'm not good with command-line applications yet. Thanks -- Christopher B. Cornelius From mhaney at interactsys.com Mon Oct 4 13:32:46 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:32:46 -0400 Subject: Graphical Grub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096896766.2851.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 09:28, Christopher Cornelius wrote: > Hello Community. > > Can anyone tell me if there is a graphical way to alter the boot > configuration once Fedora is installed? Perhaps a "graphical" grub. > I'm not good with command-line applications yet. > > Thanks > -- > gedit /etc/grub.conf? What are you trying to alter exactly? The order in which things default? > > Christopher B. Cornelius -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 09:31:25 up 1:50, 2 users, load average: 2.24, 2.42, 2.49 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 4 13:37:05 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:37:05 +0200 Subject: Rawhide on a Dell CPi300DX working - some notes and a Thank You In-Reply-To: <20041004041304.GA1370@wolves.durham.nc.us> References: <20041004041304.GA1370@wolves.durham.nc.us> Message-ID: <1096897025.2723.11.camel@kyrre> XFCE now in install options? I did a "custom" install fc3t2 and didn't notice anything... man, 04.10.2004 kl. 06.13 skrev Gregory Woodbury: > First, THANKS for putting XFCE in the install options! > > Installing rawhide of 2004-10-02 on my Dell CPi300DX is working just > fine. Prior to 2004-10-01 there were problems with the pcmcia ethernet > card that prevented FC3tX from working. > > As for the screen not wanting to go above 800x600, that's just a memory > limitation. Reducing to 16bpp let me get full screen size. > > Good job by the FC3tX team for making this machine useable again. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 4 13:53:52 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:53:52 +0200 Subject: Graphical Grub In-Reply-To: <1096896766.2851.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1096896766.2851.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1096898032.2723.14.camel@kyrre> there is something that is called "system-config-grub" (or was it "system-config-boot"?). It can do some simple tricks, but for most things you must edit /etc/grub.conf man, 04.10.2004 kl. 15.32 skrev Mark Haney: > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 09:28, Christopher Cornelius wrote: > > Hello Community. > > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a graphical way to alter the boot > > configuration once Fedora is installed? Perhaps a "graphical" grub. > > I'm not good with command-line applications yet. > > > > Thanks > > -- > > > gedit /etc/grub.conf? What are you trying to alter exactly? The order > in which things default? > > > > > Christopher B. Cornelius > > -------------------------------------- > Mark Haney > Network Administrator > InterAct Public Safety Systems > mhaney at interactsys.com > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > 09:31:25 up 1:50, 2 users, load average: 2.24, 2.42, 2.49 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From cra at WPI.EDU Mon Oct 4 14:23:06 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:23:06 -0400 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:57:10PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > (1) What yum repositories can one use for FC3t2 ? > (2) Is this kind of info for FC3t2 documented somewhere? By default, up2date and yum are both configured to talk to the correct repositories for test releases, i.e. the development (rawhide) repository. up2date uses an automatic mechanism to choose mirrors. Yum does not. You can get a list of mirrors from http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 4 14:25:53 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:25:53 -0400 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1096899953.22910.5.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 10:23, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:57:10PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > (1) What yum repositories can one use for FC3t2 ? > > (2) Is this kind of info for FC3t2 documented somewhere? > > By default, up2date and yum are both configured to talk to the correct > repositories for test releases, i.e. the development (rawhide) > repository. up2date uses an automatic mechanism to choose mirrors. > Yum does not. You can get a list of mirrors from > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html yum _can_ though. It just isn't configured that way in the default rpm. mirrorlist=url://to/mirrorlist/file will work just fine -sv From cmadams at hiwaay.net Mon Oct 4 14:30:18 2004 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:30:18 -0500 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <1096899953.22910.5.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1096899953.22910.5.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20041004143018.GB990709@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, seth vidal said: > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 10:23, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > up2date uses an automatic mechanism to choose mirrors. > > Yum does not. > > yum _can_ though. > > It just isn't configured that way in the default rpm. This is kind of annoying - we have two package install/update tools that use the same underlying mechanisms but have different configs. Not only that, but they are not configured to operate the same out of the box. If up2date is configured to use mirrors by default, shouldn't yum be configured that way as well? If there's a good reason NOT to configure yum that way, shouldn't that reason apply to up2date as well? Why do we need both up2date and yum? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 4 14:34:49 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:34:49 -0400 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <20041004143018.GB990709@hiwaay.net> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1096899953.22910.5.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041004143018.GB990709@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <1096900489.22910.10.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Your questions grow in generality. > This is kind of annoying - we have two package install/update tools that > use the same underlying mechanisms but have different configs. Not only > that, but they are not configured to operate the same out of the box. I implemented mirrorlist so yum could play nice with the up2date mirrorlists. > If up2date is configured to use mirrors by default, shouldn't yum be > configured that way as well? If there's a good reason NOT to configure > yum that way, shouldn't that reason apply to up2date as well? I don't really _like_ mirrorlists. The mirrorlists aren't gpg signed. So if someone compromised the list file and put in what they wanted, they could seriously screw up some people. Especially people not gpg checking by default - and on fc-devel that would be EVERYONE. I'd be fine with dumping all items and going with a common configuration location for up2date/yum/etc, but I'd want it to be a common format that we've all agreed on. > Why do we need both up2date and yum? they do different things - and frankly - they're both useful for catching each-other's bugs. -sv From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Mon Oct 4 14:40:57 2004 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:40:57 +0200 Subject: up2date & rhn_register In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096900856.9063.241.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Mo, den 04.10.2004 schrieb Lee Connell um 5:41: > My dumb self was foolin around and used rhn_register and now it keeps > wanting me to login to RHN, I do and of course it dont have channels for FC3 > :).. anyone know how to stop this from happening? > > Lee 1) sed -e 's/up2date default/#up2date default/' < /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources.new 2) mv /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources.rhn 3) mv /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources.new /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources (be aware of line wrappings due to mailing) Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | GPG key 1024D/ED695653 1999-07-13 Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 16:36:36 up 4 days, 19:02, load average: 1.42, 0.92, 0.80 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And then, up2date should be obsoleted? man, 04.10.2004 kl. 16.34 skrev seth vidal: > Your questions grow in generality. > > This is kind of annoying - we have two package install/update tools that > > use the same underlying mechanisms but have different configs. Not only > > that, but they are not configured to operate the same out of the box. > > I implemented mirrorlist so yum could play nice with the up2date > mirrorlists. > > If up2date is configured to use mirrors by default, shouldn't yum be > > configured that way as well? If there's a good reason NOT to configure > > yum that way, shouldn't that reason apply to up2date as well? > > I don't really _like_ mirrorlists. The mirrorlists aren't gpg signed. > So if someone compromised the list file and put in what they wanted, > they could seriously screw up some people. Especially people not gpg > checking by default - and on fc-devel that would be EVERYONE. > > I'd be fine with dumping all items and going with a common configuration > location for up2date/yum/etc, but I'd want it to be a common format that > we've all agreed on. > > > > Why do we need both up2date and yum? > > they do different things - and frankly - they're both useful for > catching each-other's bugs. > -sv > > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 4 14:59:27 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:59:27 -0400 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <1096901532.27934.12.camel@kyrre> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1096899953.22910.5.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041004143018.GB990709@hiwaay.net> <1096900489.22910.10.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1096901532.27934.12.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1096901967.22910.15.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 10:52, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > But idealy, in the end, yum should be "the" tool - with some GUI > frontend (something like synaptic, please :) ), right? And then, up2date > should be obsoleted? I can't speak to this. I don't know the plans red hat has for fedora core or their updating tools. To be completely honest, I'm not sure red hat knows the answer to that question either. There is a great deal of ambivalence and ambiguity toward packaging systems and package management utilities at red hat, from my experience with people who work there. -sv From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Mon Oct 4 15:02:10 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:02:10 -0400 Subject: Rawhide on a Dell CPi300DX working - some notes and a Thank You In-Reply-To: <1096897025.2723.11.camel@kyrre> References: <20041004041304.GA1370@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1096897025.2723.11.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041004150210.GA6806@wolves.durham.nc.us> On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 03:37:05PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > XFCE now in install options? I did a "custom" install fc3t2 and didn't > notice anything... > > man, 04.10.2004 kl. 06.13 skrev Gregory Woodbury: > > First, THANKS for putting XFCE in the install options! > > The rawhide installer (anaconda) now features XFCE (along with Gnome and KDE) as available desktop options. FC3t2 does *not* have the XFCE option, but rawhide/development does. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 4 15:09:44 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:09:44 +0200 Subject: Rawhide on a Dell CPi300DX working - some notes and a Thank You In-Reply-To: <20041004150210.GA6806@wolves.durham.nc.us> References: <20041004041304.GA1370@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1096897025.2723.11.camel@kyrre> <20041004150210.GA6806@wolves.durham.nc.us> Message-ID: <1096902584.27934.35.camel@kyrre> aha! see it in test 3 then :P man, 04.10.2004 kl. 17.02 skrev Gregory Woodbury: > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 03:37:05PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > XFCE now in install options? I did a "custom" install fc3t2 and didn't > > notice anything... > > > > man, 04.10.2004 kl. 06.13 skrev Gregory Woodbury: > > > First, THANKS for putting XFCE in the install options! > > > > > The rawhide installer (anaconda) now features XFCE (along with Gnome and > KDE) as available desktop options. FC3t2 does *not* have the XFCE > option, but rawhide/development does. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Mon Oct 4 15:12:21 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (PFJ) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:12:21 +0100 Subject: failure of FC3-test2 after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729A@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729A@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> Message-ID: <1096902741.28741.19.camel@jeeves.music.salford.ac.uk> Hi, > I have downloaded all RPM files up to 10/1/2004 and installed using rpm > -ivh *.rpm Why didn't you use yum? Much simpler, less painful. > After rebooting , the system gets as far as > > Starting udev: > Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK] > Configuring kernel parameters: > > It them seems to lock up although the keyboard still responds. > > I have started the system twice with the same response. remove the rhgb and quiet from your bootline, see if that gets you anywhere. TTFN Paul -- "If I face my God tomorrow, I can tell Him I am innocent. I've never harmed anyone. I have cheated no one. I have deceived no one. I have hurt no one. Except myself. And that He will forgive me." - Hans Holzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mwiktowy at gmx.net Mon Oct 4 15:19:26 2004 From: mwiktowy at gmx.net (Michael Wiktowy) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:19:26 -0400 Subject: parallel port setup in this brave new udev world? In-Reply-To: <20041004144143.B4FE673DA5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041004144143.B4FE673DA5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <416169FE.9080302@gmx.net> >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:19:18 +0200 >From: Harald Hoyer >Subject: Re: parallel port setup in this brave new udev world? >To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > >Message-ID: <41611596.5010102 at redhat.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Michael Wiktowy wrote: > > >>I have a parallel port scanner that has traditionally been pointed >>at /dev/parport0 (call me a savage if you want ... but it hasn't died >>yet so I haven't bought a newfangled usb one) >> >>However, that device is nowhere to be found so I cannot use the udev >>permissions file to set the permissions on the device so that regular >>users can use xsane (and avoid the scolding for using xsane as root) >> >>Oddly enough, root can run xsane fine eventhough there is no device for >>it to find ... >> >>Three questions that I hope someone can enlighten me on: >> >>1) Is there a missing >>KERNEL="parport*", NAME="%n", SYMLINK="parport%e" >>line in the rules file for udev? >> >> > > >This is nonsense and would create: > >/dev/0 >/dev/parport -> /dev/0 >/dev/1 >/dev/parport1 -> /dev/1 > > >If there is no rule, udev takes the kernel name... just load the ppdev module > > Thanks for your help. I just mimiced that rule out of the existing rules file without a real understanding of how it formulates things. I was just surprised not to find any parport rules in there. I will try loading the ppdev module explicitly. >>2) Why is it that root can find the parport device fine eventhough it >>does not seem to exist? i.e. the scanner is detected and runs fine while >>regular users can't find the scanner. >> >> > > >$ ll /dev/parport0 >crw-rw---- 1 root lp 99, 0 4. Okt 11:16 /dev/parport0 > >$ ll /dev/lp0 >crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 1. Okt 16:18 /dev/lp0 > > >Maybe it accesses the scanner through /dev/lp0. Normal users do not have permissions for that file. > > I had made my user account a member of the lp group anticipating this ... didn't work. I have no /dev/parport* ... I do have a few /dev/par* though. I just wanted to find a way that my parport device would persist between reboots. Maybe the modprobe ppdev will do the trick. >>3) How does one cause udevd to reread and reapply the rules/permissions >>in the etc files other than rebooting? "service udevd restart", "udevd", >>"udevstart" all give me no joy. >> >> > >/sbin/udevstart _should_ do the job. > > It wasn't. Tonight, I will reconfirm that permission changes are not being applied with a second udevstart while udevd is already running (and that I am going about it the right way), and enter it into bugzilla if it is not already there. Thanks. /Mike From tjb at unh.edu Mon Oct 4 15:29:43 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:29:43 -0400 Subject: rsync not running as daemon Message-ID: <1096903783.4927.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> After todays (20041004) updates, rsync won't run in daemon mode anymore. It seems to exit immediately. I have an rsync daemon set up via xinetd. Unfortunately, reverting to the older rsync package doesn't fix the problem. Anyone else seeing this? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134544 tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From dmalcolm at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 15:55:51 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:55:51 -0400 Subject: evolution 2 doesn't highlight the strings in the search results In-Reply-To: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096905351.7563.8.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 01:14 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > Just to check if it's my setup or not. > Does anyone see this behaviour? > > In Evolution > > Search the body contents of messages for a string. > In the messages containing the string, the string used to be highlighted > in purple (evolution 1.4.x), but in evo2 I don't see them highlighted > anymore. > > I'll file a bug if anybody confirms Please bugzilla this > > Tino > From dmalcolm at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 15:58:43 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:58:43 -0400 Subject: Evolution core dumps In-Reply-To: <1096695783.20931.1.camel@coeus> References: <1096695783.20931.1.camel@coeus> Message-ID: <1096905524.7563.13.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 13:43 +0800, Carl Gherardi wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm getting some pretty random crashes with evolution at the moment. > I've got the debug-info installed, how do I switch on core dumps to get > a trace for bugzilla? Have a look here: http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/StackTraces From whb at ceimaine.org Mon Oct 4 16:02:57 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:02:57 -0400 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> Message-ID: <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:13 -0700, James C. Bevier wrote: > With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and one at > the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I just get > back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be affected. > > Jim Same thing happened to me. i686 system -- Will Backman Coastal Enterprises, Inc. - A computer is a device used to convert data into error messages. From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 16:36:52 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:36:52 -0400 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:02:57 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > Same thing happened to me. i686 system Indeed... and the change is not unexpected. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg00077.html -jef"really wishes posts to devel-list included an easy to use url at the bottom of each post that could be used as a reference to that specific message. Finding this message in my gmail cache was easy...but going into the web archives manually to find the url to use when referencing a post in the archive is a pain"spaleta From oivind.hoel at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 16:38:14 2004 From: oivind.hoel at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D8ivind_Hoel?=) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:38:14 +0200 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <8f29652a04100409386b3e60fa@mail.gmail.com> Probably by right-clicking the unwanted panel and selecting "remove panel" ? ;) On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:02:57 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:13 -0700, James C. Bevier wrote: > > With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and one at > > the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I just get > > back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be affected. > > > > Jim > > Same thing happened to me. i686 system > > -- > Will Backman > Coastal Enterprises, Inc. > - A computer is a device used to convert data into error messages. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 4 16:46:08 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:46:08 +0200 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1096908368.27934.37.camel@kyrre> Iv'e heard rumours that it might be intentional. Check with fedora-devel-list man, 04.10.2004 kl. 18.02 skrev Will Backman: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:13 -0700, James C. Bevier wrote: > > With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and one at > > the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I just get > > back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be affected. > > > > Jim > > > Same thing happened to me. i686 system > > -- > Will Backman > Coastal Enterprises, Inc. > - A computer is a device used to convert data into error messages. From whb at ceimaine.org Mon Oct 4 17:47:35 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:47:35 -0400 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 12:36 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:02:57 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > Same thing happened to me. i686 system > > Indeed... and the change is not unexpected. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg00077.html > The above links give me: ...This does not effect current panel configurations, only new accounts without panel configurations. I was an existing user. I don't mind the change, and I like the canned packages direction, but don't know if the change to my existing panel layout was supposed to happen. -- Will Backman Coastal Enterprises, Inc. - A computer is a device used to convert data into error messages. From markmc at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 17:55:26 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:55:26 +0100 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1096912526.8563.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 18:47, Will Backman wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 12:36 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:02:57 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > > Same thing happened to me. i686 system > > > > Indeed... and the change is not unexpected. > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg00077.html > > > > The above links give me: > ...This does not effect current panel configurations, only new accounts > without panel configurations. > > I was an existing user. I don't mind the change, and I like the > canned packages direction, but don't know if the change to my existing > panel layout was supposed to happen. You're right - if it screwed up your existing configuration, then that's a bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=31984&action=view But I don't mind telling you that scratching my head hasn't yet produced any viable ideas for fixing said bug :/ Cheers, Mark. From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 4 17:57:44 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:57:44 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096776697.30642.18.camel@binkley> References: <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa79104100221116655c128@mail.gmail.com> <1096776697.30642.18.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041004175743.GA9329@rednote.net> seth vidal writes: > On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 00:11 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:41:45 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > > Check out my last message. Check your yum.conf to see if the repo > > > you're using is an http location or ftp. I was able to reliably > > > reproduce this with http, but ftp seems to work fine. > > Same yum, same conf except that I changed http:// to ftp:// -- This changed things here, but not to the point that everything works OK. I eventually abend with an error like: Fedora/RPMS/vte-0.11.11-5.x86_64.rpm: [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 421 There are too many connections from your internet address. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 151, in ? main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 98, in main (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 150, in buildTransaction (rescode, restring) = self.resolveDeps() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 170, in resolveDeps self.populateTs(test=1) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 128, in populateTs self.downloadHeader(po) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 376, in downloadHeader os.unlink(local) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '//var/cache/yum/development/headers/vte-0.11.11-5.x86_64.hdr' If i up-arrow and enter, on the next round I get: aspell-pt-0.50-8.x86_64.r 100% |=========================| 3.1 kB 00:00 mailx-8.1.1-33.x86_64.rpm 100% |=========================| 5.4 kB 00:00 rpm-build-4.3.2-8.x86_64. 100% |=========================| 10 kB 00:00 jisksp14-0.1-15.noarch.rp 100% |=========================| 3.0 kB 00:00 Fedora/RPMS/quagga-devel-0.96.5-2.x86_64.rpm: [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 451 Requested action aborted: local error in Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 151, in ? main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 98, in main (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 150, in buildTransaction (rescode, restring) = self.resolveDeps() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 170, in resolveDeps self.populateTs(test=1) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 128, in populateTs self.downloadHeader(po) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 376, in downloadHeader os.unlink(local) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '//var/cache/yum/development/headers/quagga-devel-0.96.5-2.x86_64.hdr' HTH. Janina From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 4 18:00:41 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:00:41 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <20041004175743.GA9329@rednote.net> References: <1096738863.30642.12.camel@binkley> <1096742253.18452.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa79104100221116655c128@mail.gmail.com> <1096776697.30642.18.camel@binkley> <20041004175743.GA9329@rednote.net> Message-ID: <1096912840.22910.44.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 13:57, Janina Sajka wrote: > seth vidal writes: > > On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 00:11 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:41:45 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > > > Check out my last message. Check your yum.conf to see if the repo > > > > you're using is an http location or ftp. I was able to reliably > > > > reproduce this with http, but ftp seems to work fine. > > > > Same yum, same conf except that I changed http:// to ftp:// -- This > changed things here, but not to the point that everything works OK. > > I eventually abend with an error like: > > Fedora/RPMS/vte-0.11.11-5.x86_64.rpm: [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp > error] 421 There are too many connections from your internet address. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 151, in ? > main(sys.argv[1:]) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 98, in main > (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 150, in > buildTransaction > (rescode, restring) = self.resolveDeps() > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 170, in > resolveDeps > self.populateTs(test=1) > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 128, in > populateTs > self.downloadHeader(po) > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 376, in > downloadHeader > os.unlink(local) > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '//var/cache/yum/development/headers/vte-0.11.11-5.x86_64.hdr' > > If i up-arrow and enter, on the next round I get: > I released yum 2.1.5 last night. It should fix up this problem insofar as it won't traceback. It will still not work if the server is having issues handing out files. -sv From jonathansavage at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 18:15:30 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:15:30 -0700 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104100411156d41aea7@mail.gmail.com> > I was an existing user. I don't mind the change, and I like the canned packages direction, >but don't know if the change to my existing panel layout was supposed to happen. Hmmm.. "Note: This does not effect the KDE panel layout This does not effect current panel configurations, only new accounts without panel configurations." It certainly did change my panel, I don't especially mind but it does not look like it was supposed to overwrite an existing config. It did keep all of my launchers etc. though so it is fairly well behaved. Bests Jon From steve at rueb.com Mon Oct 4 18:16:07 2004 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:16:07 -0500 Subject: /lib/cpp hosed? Message-ID: <41619367.6020309@rueb.com> I am running rawhide, and lately any ./configure scripts that I try to run seem to fail at the /lib/cpp sanity check. Anyone else seeing this? Example (which compiles fine on FC2): configure:3069: result: yes configure:3113: g++ -c -g -O2 conftest.cc >&5 configure:3116: $? = 0 configure:3119: test -s conftest.o configure:3122: $? = 0 configure:3149: g++ -c -g -O2 conftest.cc >&5 configure: In function `int main()': configure:3146: error: `exit' undeclared (first use this function) configure:3146: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) configure:3152: $? = 1 configure: failed program was: | #line 3132 "configure" | /* confdefs.h. */ | | #define PACKAGE_NAME "" | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "" | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "" | #define PACKAGE_STRING "" | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "" | #define PACKAGE "MuSE" | #define VERSION "0.9" | /* end confdefs.h. */ | | int | main () | { | exit (42); | ; | return 0; | } From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 4 18:35:02 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <1096901532.27934.12.camel@kyrre> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1096899953.22910.5.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <20041004143018.GB990709@hiwaay.net> <1096900489.22910.10.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1096901532.27934.12.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <3535.12.29.16.103.1096914902.squirrel@whooper.org> Kyrre Ness Sjobak said: > But idealy, in the end, yum should be "the" tool - with some GUI > frontend (something like synaptic, please :) ), right? And then, up2date > should be obsoleted? Since yum doesn't talk to RHN, I'm doubting up2date goes too far away. On the other hand, common metadata might lessen some of up2date advantage of being able to also use apt repos. -- William Hooper From otaylor at redhat.com Mon Oct 4 18:45:13 2004 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:45:13 -0400 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096912526.8563.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <1096912526.8563.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096915513.4986.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 18:55 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 18:47, Will Backman wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 12:36 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:02:57 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > > > > Same thing happened to me. i686 system > > > > > > Indeed... and the change is not unexpected. > > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg00077.html > > > > > > > The above links give me: > > ...This does not effect current panel configurations, only new accounts > > without panel configurations. > > > > I was an existing user. I don't mind the change, and I like the > > canned packages direction, but don't know if the change to my existing > > panel layout was supposed to happen. > > You're right - if it screwed up your existing configuration, then > that's a bug: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=31984&action=view Doesn't look like the right link... > But I don't mind telling you that scratching my head hasn't yet > produced any viable ideas for fixing said bug :/ Could it simply be users that haven't changed their configuration at all? Seems unlikely, but I suppose possible. Regards , Owen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From janina at rednote.net Mon Oct 4 19:03:38 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:03:38 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.4-1 broken? In-Reply-To: <1096912840.22910.44.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <2ad7cea10410021205249663f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096765141.1754.24.camel@gandolf.intra.net> <1096765227.30642.14.camel@binkley> <1096768867.18452.46.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa791041002200465aed6f4@mail.gmail.com> <1096774904.18452.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <604aa79104100221116655c128@mail.gmail.com> <1096776697.30642.18.camel@binkley> <20041004175743.GA9329@rednote.net> <1096912840.22910.44.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20041004190338.GB9329@rednote.net> seth vidal writes: > > I released yum 2.1.5 last night. It should fix up this problem insofar > as it won't traceback. It will still not work if the server is having > issues handing out files. OK. I'll look for 2.1.5 to show up. At the moment I'm still seeing only 2.1.4 on mirror.linux.duke.edu in pub/fedora/linux/core/development/x86_64/Fedora/RPMS. > > -sv > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 From jonathansavage at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 19:06:23 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:06:23 -0700 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096915513.4986.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <1096912526.8563.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096915513.4986.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410041206436acfdc@mail.gmail.com> > Could it simply be users that haven't changed their configuration at > all? Seems unlikely, but I suppose possible. I *know* that I'd made changes to my panel config. -- Bests, Jon From linux_4ever at yahoo.com Mon Oct 4 18:23:00 2004 From: linux_4ever at yahoo.com (Steve G) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: /lib/cpp hosed? In-Reply-To: <41619367.6020309@rueb.com> Message-ID: <20041004182300.37252.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> >I am running rawhide, and lately any ./configure scripts that I try to >run seem to fail at the /lib/cpp sanity check. > >Anyone else seeing this? Yes. On an 18 hour repository build, I usually see it once. Restarting the build fixes it. It is purely random and seems to not be related to anything I can see. My feeling is that its not cpp that's the problem. -Steve Grubb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Mon Oct 4 20:17:58 2004 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:17:58 +0200 Subject: evolution 2 doesn't highlight strings ..., BUG Filed In-Reply-To: <1096905351.7563.8.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1096672449.8726.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096905351.7563.8.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1096921079.8726.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op ma, 04-10-2004 te 11:55 -0400, schreef David Malcolm: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 01:14 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > > In Evolution > > > > Search the body contents of messages for a string. > > In the messages containing the string, the string used to be highlighted > > in purple (evolution 1.4.x), but in evo2 I don't see them highlighted > > anymore. > > > > I'll file a bug if anybody confirms > > Please bugzilla this > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134584 thank you From jepler at unpythonic.net Mon Oct 4 20:19:00 2004 From: jepler at unpythonic.net (Jeff Epler) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:19:00 -0500 Subject: /lib/cpp hosed? In-Reply-To: <41619367.6020309@rueb.com> References: <41619367.6020309@rueb.com> Message-ID: <20041004201859.GD24535@unpythonic.net> Did you paste the proper part of the configure output? That attached program is not a valid C++ file (because 'exit' has no prototype), but you're compiling it with g++. This doesn't look like a test for /lib/cpp at all. Jeff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From marshall at novafoundry.com Mon Oct 4 20:23:51 2004 From: marshall at novafoundry.com (Marshall D. Lewis) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:23:51 -0400 Subject: gnome-panel problem (and no, I'm not talking about two panels) Message-ID: <1096921431.4749.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I run a dual-head configuration (using twinview), prior to the update, my panel's window list would (correctly in my opinion) show the tasks on both screens, now it only shows the tasks on the side of the screen the panel is on. If I drag a window from one screen to another it will appear/disappear from the list as it crosses the halfway mark. If I didn't run multiple workspaces I'd just check the "Show windows from all workspaces" option in the window list preferences.. but I do run multiple workspaces, and that's too many windows to have on my list. Any ideas? Did I miss a new feature announcement somewhere? -- Marshall From huffman at graze.net Mon Oct 4 20:39:48 2004 From: huffman at graze.net (huffman at graze.net) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:39:48 +0200 Subject: Lexmark printer cartridge alignment Message-ID: <200410042039.i94KdnRk021336@graze.net> All, I recently tried to switch my fiancee over to Fedora Core (which is all that I use on my desktops) and found one stumbling block for which I couldn't find a solution. She has a small Lexmark inkjet printer - think it's like a Z21 or something. In windows she's able to "align the print cartridges" without which both graphics and text that look choppy. I see no way to do this under linux. Can anyone point me in a direction that would help with this issue? Thanks, Brian From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 4 20:54:22 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:54:22 -0400 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096908368.27934.37.camel@kyrre> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <1096908368.27934.37.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <4161B87E.70509@hpcf.upr.edu> Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >Iv'e heard rumours that it might be intentional. Check with >fedora-devel-list > > Changing the default panel setup for new users was intentional. Changing the panel layout of existing users was not intertional, its a bug. Regards, Ricardo Veguilla >man, 04.10.2004 kl. 18.02 skrev Will Backman: > > >>On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:13 -0700, James C. Bevier wrote: >> >> >>>With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and one at >>>the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I just get >>>back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be affected. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>Same thing happened to me. i686 system >> >>-- >>Will Backman >>Coastal Enterprises, Inc. >>- A computer is a device used to convert data into error messages. >> >> > > > From robertcahn at hotmail.com Mon Oct 4 20:58:02 2004 From: robertcahn at hotmail.com (Robert Cahn) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:58:02 -0400 Subject: FC2 printer question. Message-ID: I'm trying to configure an old Canon bj-200ex printer. When I use system-config-printer and specify Locally-connected printer the ap can't see the printer which is attached to the parallel port. Eventually I specify /dev/lp0 (or /dev/parport0) by handand continue with the installation but I'm unable to print to the printer. Is there any way of testing that the port is working at a very low level before I spend more time with the installation? I tried cat fil.nam >/dev/lp0 but that didn't work. Robert Cahn Gipsy Trail Club Carmel, NY 10512 845-225-0265, 917-312-3409 (cell) rcahn at ieee.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 21:17:20 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:17:20 -0400 Subject: Lexmark printer cartridge alignment In-Reply-To: <200410042039.i94KdnRk021336@graze.net> References: <200410042039.i94KdnRk021336@graze.net> Message-ID: <604aa7910410041417a9cb98c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:39:48 +0200, huffman at graze.net wrote: > All, > > I recently tried to switch my fiancee over to Fedora Core (which is all that > I use on my desktops) and found one stumbling block for which I couldn't find a > solution. She has a small Lexmark inkjet printer - think it's like a Z21 or > something. In windows she's able to "align the print cartridges" without which > both graphics and text that look choppy. I see no way to do this under linux. > Can anyone point me in a direction that would help with this issue? 1) Lexmark printers aren't the best choice for linux. Lexmark is intent on keeping as much information on how to communicate with its printing products undocumented or at least out of the hands of open source developers. There is a development kit available from lexmark, but it provided binary only libraries. Considering the range of choices in the printing landscale, I doubt lexmark's binary only approach is going to result in inspiring open source developers to help out with getting lexmark products fully supported in linux. 2) Lexmark provides proprietary drivers and configuration tools for some of its printers. So your best bet is to see if Lexmark has provided a binary driver for that printer. But it appears lexmark is not interested in providing equally functional drivers and tools for both linux and windows, so don't get your hopes up on lexmark's own linux tools. 2) Z21 or something.... its probably very important to know exactly which printer model from lexmark you have. http://linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark -jef"dump the lexmark if you can"spaleta From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Oct 4 21:20:24 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:20:24 +0100 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <200410042220.25328.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 04 October 2004 15:23, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:57:10PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > (1) What yum repositories can one use for FC3t2 ? > > (2) Is this kind of info for FC3t2 documented somewhere? > > By default, up2date and yum are both configured to talk to the correct > repositories for test releases, i.e. the development (rawhide) > repository. up2date uses an automatic mechanism to choose mirrors. > Yum does not. You can get a list of mirrors from > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html I'm not sure what you mean when you say that "yum is configured to talk to the correct repositories". Has yum changed in any way from FC2? Does it still look at /etc/yum.conf to find what repositories to look at? I upgraded from FC2, and as far as I can see my /etc/yum.conf has not changed. The only difference I can see is that /etc/fedora-release now reads "Fedora Core release 2.91 (FC3 Test 2)". where it used to read "Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang)". Now when I run "yum update" I get the response ========================================== [tim at william 2004]$ sudo yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: livna-stable repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: livna-stable failure: repodata/repomd.xml from livna-stable: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ========================================== Does this mean that the livna-stable (and fedora-us-stable) entries should be remofed from my /etc/grub.conf ? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From linxt at comcast.net Mon Oct 4 21:33:23 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:33:23 -0700 Subject: FC2 printer question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410041433.23848.linxt@comcast.net> On Monday 04 October 2004 13:58, Robert Cahn wrote: > I'm trying to configure an old Canon bj-200ex printer. When I use > system-config-printer and specify Locally-connected printer the ap can't > see the printer which is attached to the parallel port. Eventually I > specify /dev/lp0 (or /dev/parport0) by handand continue with the > installation but I'm unable to print to the printer. Is there any way of > testing that the port is working at a very low level before I spend more > time with the installation? I tried cat fil.nam >/dev/lp0 but that didn't > work. > > Robert Cahn > Gipsy Trail Club > Carmel, NY 10512 > 845-225-0265, 917-312-3409 (cell) > rcahn at ieee.org Hi Robert: Check out this site for possible information. http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=bj200 They don't show any bj-200ex but plain bj-200 may work. Tom -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 From huffman at graze.net Mon Oct 4 21:33:38 2004 From: huffman at graze.net (huffman at graze.net) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:33:38 +0200 Subject: Lexmark printer cartridge alignment Message-ID: <200410042133.i94LXceb021765@graze.net> Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta at gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:39:48 +0200, huffman at graze.net wrote: > > 2) Z21 or something.... its probably very important to know exactly > which printer model from lexmark you have. > http://linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark > Thanks, Jef. I wasn't sure of the model b/c I'm at work and I can't seem to retain these types of details in my head. ;-) However, I just confirmed with her that it's a Z22. So...looks like my best chance is if the lexmark drivers actually work. I won't hold my breath. Thanks again for the pointers! Brian From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 21:42:48 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:42:48 -0400 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <200410042220.25328.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <200410042220.25328.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <604aa7910410041442161367c6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:20:24 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I upgraded from FC2, and as far as I can see my /etc/yum.conf has not changed. Upgraded from fc2 how? Did you ever hand-edit yum.conf when you were running fc2? Its a retorical question, of course you did, you have livna configured which is not configured by default in fc2. rpm -V yum Every line returned from this command shows you a file that has some aspect modified from the file that would be installed by default. I bet it returns a line about yum.conf. rpm has a 'feature' associated with how to handle configuration files when a package is updated. rpm tries very hard to be respectful of local configuration changes. If a configuration file was ever hand editted in such a way that rpm -V marks it as modified, rpm is smart enough to leave the customized configuration file as it is and gives you the new default as whatever.rpmnew or if it replaces a customized file saves your old config as .rpmsave. I bet if you look in /etc/ you will find an yum.conf.rpmnew. In this case rpm left your old hand-editted yum.conf and placed the new default on the system as yum.conf.rpmnew. Now to your livna problem specifically. yum 2.1.x uses a completely different repository metadata approach than yum 2.0.x. So in the case of livna, you must use different url definitions when using the yum 2.1.x that is in the test releases. The yum.conf that works on fc2 with livna is NOT expected to work with yum 2.1.x in the test releases. -jef From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 4 22:14:02 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:14:02 -0600 Subject: Lexmark printer cartridge alignment In-Reply-To: <200410042039.i94KdnRk021336@graze.net>; from huffman@graze.net on Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 10:39:48PM +0200 References: <200410042039.i94KdnRk021336@graze.net> Message-ID: <20041004161402.A549@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 10:39:48PM +0200, huffman at graze.net wrote: > > ... and found one stumbling block for which I couldn't find a > solution. She has a small Lexmark inkjet printer - think it's > like a Z21 or something. In windows she's able to "align the > print cartridges" without which both graphics and text that look > choppy. I see no way to do this under linux. Not that this has much to do with testing Fedora, but ... The way to do that under Linux is just to "print" to a printer an appriopriate binary pattern. Possibly you may need to create a "raw" queue on that printer, and send these files through that, in order to prevent a print system from beeing "smart". I do not know. A long time ago I was hacking for a friend a support for one of those Lexmark jets, which was not a very gratifying experience, and found that web page: http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/lexmark/lexmark.html You will find there, among other things, files for a head aligment and head cleaning and a bit more. AFAIK they fit all these small Lexmark jets but you will have to try. You are in a better situation then me at that time as most likely one of Lexmark drivers included with Fedora will be ok for that printer (Lexmark 7000, or 7200, or Z22 if they indeed are different). How well this will fit I have no idea. Michal From jonathansavage at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 22:23:25 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:23:25 -0700 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <4161B87E.70509@hpcf.upr.edu> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <1096908368.27934.37.camel@kyrre> <4161B87E.70509@hpcf.upr.edu> Message-ID: <2ad7cea1041004152330b017ae@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:54:22 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > >Iv'e heard rumours that it might be intentional. Check with > >fedora-devel-list > > > > > Changing the default panel setup for new users was intentional. Changing > the panel layout of existing users was not intertional, its a bug. > > Regards, > Ricardo Veguilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134609 From jonathansavage at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 22:34:38 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:34:38 -0700 Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <200410042220.25328.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <200410042220.25328.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104100415344fa79446@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:20:24 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Monday 04 October 2004 15:23, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:57:10PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > (1) What yum repositories can one use for FC3t2 ? > > > (2) Is this kind of info for FC3t2 documented somewhere? > > > > By default, up2date and yum are both configured to talk to the correct > > repositories for test releases, i.e. the development (rawhide) > > repository. up2date uses an automatic mechanism to choose mirrors. > > Yum does not. You can get a list of mirrors from > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html > > I'm not sure what you mean when you say that > "yum is configured to talk to the correct repositories". > > Has yum changed in any way from FC2? > Does it still look at /etc/yum.conf to find what repositories to look at? > > I upgraded from FC2, and as far as I can see my /etc/yum.conf has not changed. > The only difference I can see is that /etc/fedora-release now reads > "Fedora Core release 2.91 (FC3 Test 2)". > where it used to read "Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang)". > > Now when I run "yum update" I get the response > ========================================== > [tim at william 2004]$ sudo yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repo: livna-stable > repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: livna-stable > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from livna-stable: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to > try. > ========================================== > > Does this mean that the livna-stable (and fedora-us-stable) entries > should be remofed from my /etc/grub.conf ? Did you use these entries? They have changed w/ the 'new' yum >From rpm.livna.org: For yum >= 2.1.3, new yum repository style (metadata): ### See http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraSources ### And insert here the fedora.us repository configuration ### And then add theese lines to access rpm.livna.org repositories: [livna-stable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) baseurl= http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable gpgcheck=1 [livna-unstable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.unstable gpgcheck=1 [livna-testing] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.testing gpgcheck=1 -- Bests, Jon From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 4 22:34:52 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum repositories In-Reply-To: <200410042220.25328.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410041357.10761.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041004142306.GK17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <200410042220.25328.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Oct 4, 2004 at 22:20, Timothy Murphy in a soothing rage wrote: [...] >Has yum changed in any way from FC2? Yes. >Does it still look at /etc/yum.conf to find what repositories to look at? Yes. >I upgraded from FC2, and as far as I can see my /etc/yum.conf has not changed. >The only difference I can see is that /etc/fedora-release now reads >"Fedora Core release 2.91 (FC3 Test 2)". >where it used to read "Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang)". > >Now when I run "yum update" I get the response >========================================== >[tim at william 2004]$ sudo yum update >Setting up Update Process >Setting up Repo: livna-stable >repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found >Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: livna-stable >failure: repodata/repomd.xml from livna-stable: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to >try. >========================================== > >Does this mean that the livna-stable (and fedora-us-stable) entries >should be remofed from my /etc/grub.conf ? For the moment yes. Livna does not have a public FC3 or FC3 test repo up as fas as I can tell. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Are we THERE yet? 18:32:16 up 98 days, 11:47, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From steve at rueb.com Mon Oct 4 23:10:40 2004 From: steve at rueb.com (Steve Bergman) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:10:40 -0500 Subject: /lib/cpp hosed? In-Reply-To: <20041004201859.GD24535@unpythonic.net> References: <41619367.6020309@rueb.com> <20041004201859.GD24535@unpythonic.net> Message-ID: <4161D870.2060608@rueb.com> Jeff Epler wrote: >Did you paste the proper part of the configure output? > >That attached program is not a valid C++ file (because 'exit' has no >prototype), but you're compiling it with g++. This doesn't look like a >test for /lib/cpp at all. > > Hmm. Maybe not. The actual problem seems to be that it can't find cc1plus. /usr/libexec/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/3.4.1/cc1plus exists, but not /usr/libexec/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/3.4.2/cc1plus If I # rpm -e cpp;yum install cpp The whole 3.4.1 and 3.4.2 directories go away. -Steve From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Mon Oct 4 23:12:02 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:12:02 -0400 Subject: failure of FC3-test2 after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <1096902741.28741.19.camel@jeeves.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729A@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1096902741.28741.19.camel@jeeves.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4161D8C2.7000305@rogers.com> PFJ wrote: >remove the rhgb and quiet from your bootline, see if that gets you >anywhere. > >TTFN > >Paul > > That what worked for myself. From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Mon Oct 4 23:12:51 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:12:51 -0400 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <4161D8F3.7040909@rogers.com> Will Backman wrote: >On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:13 -0700, James C. Bevier wrote: > > >>With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and one at >>the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I just get >>back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be affected. >> >>Jim >> >> > > >Same thing happened to me. i686 system > > > I have the same thing too. Also the KDE panel crash on every boot. Dwaine. From rjames at csulb.edu Tue Oct 5 00:47:41 2004 From: rjames at csulb.edu (Ryan James) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:47:41 -0700 Subject: redhat-artwork/bluecurve icon set errors? In-Reply-To: <4161D8F3.7040909@rogers.com> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <4161D8F3.7040909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1096937262.3434.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> after the redhat-artwork update from 2-3 days ago, my folder icon is now from a different icon set than bluecurve, as well as my volume control icon. i didn't see this in bugzilla, so i was wondering if anyone else was seeing this. i think a few other icons might be acting up too (grip?), but i'm not sure as i didn't see them all the time before. From mike at netlyncs.com Tue Oct 5 01:20:31 2004 From: mike at netlyncs.com (Mike Chambers) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:20:31 -0500 Subject: redhat-artwork/bluecurve icon set errors? In-Reply-To: <1096937262.3434.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <4161D8F3.7040909@rogers.com> <1096937262.3434.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096939231.4853.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 17:47 -0700, Ryan James wrote: > after the redhat-artwork update from 2-3 days ago, my folder icon is now > from a different icon set than bluecurve, as well as my volume control > icon. i didn't see this in bugzilla, so i was wondering if anyone else > was seeing this. i think a few other icons might be acting up too > (grip?), but i'm not sure as i didn't see them all the time before. Yep, see the same thing here. It's a old grayish type color with no color at all on the folder. I think the trash icon may have changed too, but can't remember what it was before. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "It's only funny until someone gets hurt...Then it's hilarious!" From jonathansavage at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 01:42:14 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:42:14 -0700 Subject: redhat-artwork/bluecurve icon set errors? In-Reply-To: <1096939231.4853.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <4161D8F3.7040909@rogers.com> <1096937262.3434.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096939231.4853.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104100418426ab4394b@mail.gmail.com> > Yep, see the same thing here. It's a old grayish type color with no > color at all on the folder. I think the trash icon may have changed > too, but can't remember what it was before. Yeah the new home icon is err... homely. I think the empty trash icon is the same but the version that displays when there is something in the trash does seem different; turquoise rather than grey with some of the trash spilling on to the desktop. I like it. No idea re: the volume control thing on the panel; since I'm on the (nice) dual panel now I have no memory of whether the icon has actually changed or not. I'd venture to guess that the desktop is in a transitional state and will become more consistent as core 3 testing / release progresses. In the meantime consider your environment 'enriched'. That is what they do to animals in captivity to keep them happy & healthy. Seriously... Check out: http://www.honoluluzoo.org/enrichment_activities.htm -- Bests, Jon ---- ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>?. >>> ???`?.?. , . .???`?.. ><((((?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?>> > From deji_aking at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 5 01:35:28 2004 From: deji_aking at yahoo.ca (Deji Akingunola) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:35:28 -0400 Subject: redhat-artwork/bluecurve icon set errors? In-Reply-To: <1096939231.4853.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <4161D8F3.7040909@rogers.com> <1096937262.3434.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096939231.4853.1.camel@scrappy.netlyncs.com> Message-ID: <4161FA60.5010801@yahoo.ca> Mike Chambers wrote: >On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 17:47 -0700, Ryan James wrote: > > >>after the redhat-artwork update from 2-3 days ago, my folder icon is now >>from a different icon set than bluecurve, as well as my volume control >>icon. i didn't see this in bugzilla, so i was wondering if anyone else >>was seeing this. i think a few other icons might be acting up too >>(grip?), but i'm not sure as i didn't see them all the time before. >> >> > >Yep, see the same thing here. It's a old grayish type color with no >color at all on the folder. I think the trash icon may have changed >too, but can't remember what it was before. > > > these are now supposedly fixed. See http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134460 From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 5 02:34:28 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:34:28 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1096890014.3928.20.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1096625072.3957.57.camel@anu.eridu> <4160C030.8060008@sbcglobal.net> <1096890014.3928.20.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <41620834.7090409@sbcglobal.net> Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 23:14 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Paul Nasrat wrote: >> >>>The synaptics changes to rhpl have been merged since 0.146-1, I've not >>>had any reports on how it's been recieved. >>> >>>If anyone has a laptop with Synaptics touchpad (grep >>>Synaptics /proc/bus/input/devices), and done an install this week I'd be >>>grateful to here if it's all working OK. >>> >>>Discuss here or on #fedora-bugweek (nasrat). >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Paul >>> >> >>I was running my laptop w/ the xorg.conf generated by s-c-display and >>downloading upgrades, letting the screensavers kick in when not actually >>at the computer. Later, the mouse did not seem to do anything with >>either the touchpad tapping, scrolling or with the mechanical buttons. >>The cursor moved wherever running the finger over the pad area. Changing >> to the console revealed this error repeatadly within the xorg.0.log on >>this session. Pasted error below from log. Full log available if >>bugzilla entry needed. > > > Please create a new bugzilla entry against the synaptics driver. > > Paul > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134618 Jim -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 5 02:35:50 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:35:50 -0700 Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: <415F41A2.5060809@sbcglobal.net> References: <415F41A2.5060809@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1096943750.4275.18.camel@CirithUngol> On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 20:02 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>>On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 18:06 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>To Whomever It May Concern: > >>>> > >>>>The new file manager that has been included in Mozilla and FireFox is > >>>>cute and all, but how do you get access .directory entries? There is no > >>>>menu item to display hidden files. Therefore, you cannot import any > >>>>bookmarks. > > Where is this file manager located? Do you need to download a certain > element for mozilla/firefox to get it? > > Jim > What they referred to as 'File Manager' is not one.. it is a File Selection Dialog, the new GTK style. You see this any time you open or save a file in Firefox. From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 03:09:44 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:09:44 -0400 Subject: up2date & rhn_register Message-ID: >My dumb self was foolin around and used rhn_register and now it keeps >wanting me to login to RHN, I do and of course it dont have channels for >FC3 :).. anyone know how to stop this from happening? > >Lee --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> 1) sed -e 's/up2date default/#up2date default/' < /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources.new 2) mv /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources.rhn 3) mv /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources.new /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources (be aware of line wrappings due to mailing) Alexander ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Thank you Alexander, Never used the sed command before. So what that did basically was uncomment up2date default correct? Thanks From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 03:12:46 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:12:46 -0400 Subject: volume_manager icon size Message-ID: Hey all, Personally I like the volume manager icon in the panel now better than the old one its a bit more clear looking. What has been bothering me forever now is how the icon stretches itself when you size the panels. This really stinks because I keep my panels at about size 25 and it makes the volume manager icon so darn small you can't tell what kind of icon it is. This is a petty issue but does anyone else feel the same way? BTW: Love the dual panels :) From JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com Tue Oct 5 03:17:31 2004 From: JoelOnLinux at perfect-flight.com (Joel Rittvo) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:17:31 -0400 Subject: failure of FC3-test2 after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <1096902741.28741.19.camel@jeeves.music.salford.ac.uk> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729A@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1096902741.28741.19.camel@jeeves.music.salford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1096946251.5875.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 16:12 +0100, PFJ wrote: > Hi, > > > I have downloaded all RPM files up to 10/1/2004 and installed using rpm > > -ivh *.rpm > > Why didn't you use yum? Much simpler, less painful. > > > After rebooting , the system gets as far as > > > > Starting udev: > > Initializing hardware... storage network audio done [ OK] > > Configuring kernel parameters: > > > > It them seems to lock up although the keyboard still responds. > > > > I have started the system twice with the same response. > > remove the rhgb and quiet from your bootline, see if that gets you > anywhere. I stumbled upon this fix on my own a while ago, but I have no idea as to what is broken that it is fixing. What did I do that makes it impossible for me to use rhgb all of a sudden? Video driver change? I went back to the plain nv from a compiled nvidia, and still no go. Kernel change? I had removed all frame buffer items (among other changes) and then put them back, but still no go. Any clues??? Joel Rittvo From rodd at clarkson.id.au Tue Oct 5 03:28:21 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:28:21 +1000 Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: <1096943750.4275.18.camel@CirithUngol> References: <415F41A2.5060809@sbcglobal.net> <1096943750.4275.18.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <1096946901.4034.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Where is this file manager located? Do you need to download a certain > > element for mozilla/firefox to get it? > What they referred to as 'File Manager' is not one.. it is a File > Selection Dialog, the new GTK style. You see this any time you open or > save a file in Firefox. The GTK developers (and Gnome hackers) refer to it as the File Chooser -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 04:01:28 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:01:28 -0400 Subject: firefox uses helix player to open rpm downloads Message-ID: Today when i clicked on the ati rpm driver from www.ati.com using firefox it launched the helix player and then closed it, did not download at all. I had to tell it to save link as.... Anyone else having this issue? I am completely up2date with all packages. Lee From lee_connell at hotmail.com Tue Oct 5 04:02:27 2004 From: lee_connell at hotmail.com (Lee Connell) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:02:27 -0400 Subject: Running the poweroff command Message-ID: I always use poweroff command to shutdown my system. When i issue that command now it reboots my system instead of powering off. Any information needed to further debug the issue? lee From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 5 03:14:38 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:14:38 -0400 Subject: FC3T2: Mozilla and FireFox -- New File manager In-Reply-To: <1096943750.4275.18.camel@CirithUngol> References: <415F41A2.5060809@sbcglobal.net> <1096943750.4275.18.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <4162119E.5080003@sbcglobal.net> Andrew Farris wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 20:02 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>>>>On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 18:06 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>To Whomever It May Concern: >>>>>> >>>>>>The new file manager that has been included in Mozilla and FireFox is >>>>>>cute and all, but how do you get access .directory entries? There is no >>>>>>menu item to display hidden files. Therefore, you cannot import any >>>>>>bookmarks. > > >>Where is this file manager located? Do you need to download a certain >>element for mozilla/firefox to get it? >> >>Jim >> > > > What they referred to as 'File Manager' is not one.. it is a File > Selection Dialog, the new GTK style. You see this any time you open or > save a file in Firefox. > > Thanks for clarifying. I thought this was something like nautilus, mc or some other file manipulation tool. Jim -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Tue Oct 5 03:19:21 2004 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 05:19:21 +0200 Subject: up2date & rhn_register In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096946361.9063.395.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Di, den 05.10.2004 schrieb Lee Connell um 5:09: > 1) sed -e 's/up2date default/#up2date default/' < > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources.new > Never used the sed command before. So what that did basically was uncomment > up2date default correct? The opposite: when you tried to register to RHN you got the line "up2date default" in the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file uncommented. The sed command from above reverts this change and comments this instruction so that it is again inactive. 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How do I "tell" evolution to leave a core file? Thanks Carl Gherardi -- This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of NAUTRONIX LTD. If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this email in error and use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender. Although our computer systems use active virus protection software, and we take various measures to reduce the risk of viruses being transmitted in e-mail messages and attachments sent from this company, we cannot guarantee that such e-mail messages and attachments are free from viruses on receipt. It is a condition of our using e-mail to correspond with you, that any and all liability on our part arising directly or indirectly out of any virus is excluded. Please ensure that you run virus checking software on all e-mail messages and attachments before reading them. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 5 05:43:38 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:43:38 -0600 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions Message-ID: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Hello, everyone: First time on this list (in fact, first time ever running a beta OS on my primary work computer, so bear with me). Nice to meet everyone. I'm running FC3-T2 on an IBM Thinkpad T23. Fairly frequent crashes in some apps, and my sound does not work (whereas it did in earlier FC releases and in RHL). Will make a more complete report soon, so I can start troubleshooting this stuff. For now, though... 1. Where are the FAQ's for this list and the devel community? Save me some embarrassment and point me to the primary FM's to R, OK? 2. How to edit the GNOME menus? I installed Sun StarOffice 7, which comes with neat little "*.desktop" files already. But where to put them so all menus for all users show them? (I'd like to put them in the "Office" category.) 3. Why the switch to two panels? I now have one narrow panel at the top of the screen, and another one at the bottom. If I don't like it (and in the first 12 hours of use, I don't) can I easily switch back to having one panel at the bottom with everything on it? Or must I manually dismantle everything and rebuild it ? 4. Is the "notify the developers" button after a crash useful to you all, or is it new functionality? I'll be happy to use it if it helps... should I? 5. I cannot seem to get my Palm Tungsten T3 to sync via USB. In FC1/FC2 (i.e. last week), "ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/pilot" used to work. Now, /dev/ttyUSB0 is created and destroyed dynamically and I'm not sure whether this affects my difficulty. Or must /dev/pilot have a specific owner and permissions? Any HOWTO for this? 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I had removed all frame buffer items (among other >changes) and then put them back, but still no go. Any clues??? > > My setup broken when I was testing out the udev stuff. It seemed to affect the entries in /dev. Dwaine. From mike at bristolreccc.co.uk Tue Oct 5 08:27:02 2004 From: mike at bristolreccc.co.uk (mike) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:27:02 +0100 Subject: /var/spool/mail and new users Message-ID: <1096964822.3538.21.camel@datacc> Does anyone know where it is defined that a new mbox file is created in /var/spool/mail when a new user is created? I use dovecot/exim with maildir and it gets in the way From markmc at redhat.com Tue Oct 5 08:34:04 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:34:04 +0100 Subject: gnome-panel problem (and no, I'm not talking about two panels) In-Reply-To: <1096921431.4749.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096921431.4749.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096965244.8563.232.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 21:23, Marshall D. Lewis wrote: > I run a dual-head configuration (using twinview), prior to the update, > my panel's window list would (correctly in my opinion) show the tasks on > both screens, now it only shows the tasks on the side of the screen the > panel is on. > > If I drag a window from one screen to another it will appear/disappear > from the list as it crosses the halfway mark. Yeah, a patch was added to make the tasklist only show windows on the current monitor since the default setup with Xinerama is to have a tasklist on each monitor. However, we need to do more work to detect the case where there's only a single tasklist and have it show the windows from all monitors. See: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154040 Cheers, Mark. From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Oct 5 08:54:23 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:54:23 +0100 Subject: firefox uses helix player to open rpm downloads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096966463.2685.21.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 00:01 -0400, Lee Connell wrote: > Today when i clicked on the ati rpm driver from www.ati.com using firefox it > launched the helix player and then closed it, did not download at all. I > had to tell it to save link as.... Anyone else having this issue? I am > completely up2date with all packages. Some one correct me if I'm wrong but rpm also stands for realplayer media, or some thing along those lines. Most web servers I have come accross have RPM files tagged as media files. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tjb at unh.edu Tue Oct 5 10:26:39 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 06:26:39 -0400 Subject: volume_manager icon size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096971999.4786.0.camel@neuromancer.bakerconsulting.com> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 23:12 -0400, Lee Connell wrote: > Hey all, > > Personally I like the volume manager icon in the panel now better than the > old one its a bit more clear looking. What has been bothering me forever > now is how the icon stretches itself when you size the panels. This really > stinks because I keep my panels at about size 25 and it makes the volume > manager icon so darn small you can't tell what kind of icon it is. This is > a petty issue but does anyone else feel the same way? > > BTW: Love the dual panels :) > > I experience the small volume manager icon size as well. I thought it was just me. Did you bugzilla it yet? tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From markmc at redhat.com Tue Oct 5 10:44:41 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:44:41 +0100 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096915513.4986.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <604aa79104100409361289abc1@mail.gmail.com> <1096912055.3297.17.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> <1096912526.8563.172.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096915513.4986.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096973081.17401.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Owen, On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 19:45, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 18:55 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > > > I was an existing user. I don't mind the change, and I like the > > > canned packages direction, but don't know if the change to my existing > > > panel layout was supposed to happen. > > > > You're right - if it screwed up your existing configuration, then > > that's a bug: > > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=31984&action=view > > Doesn't look like the right link... Yeah, sorry. Its: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134537 > > But I don't mind telling you that scratching my head hasn't yet > > produced any viable ideas for fixing said bug :/ > > Could it simply be users that haven't changed their configuration at > all? Seems unlikely, but I suppose possible. No, the problem is that they've only changed *some* of their panel configuration. I've updated the bug report with an explanation: What's going on here is the panel configuration consists of a large set of inter-related GConf keys. Lets think about just two of them for a minute - toplevel_id_list and object_id_list. The former contains the list of panels in the configuration and the latter contains the list of launchers, menu buttons, menu bars etc. (everything but bonobo applets). These GConf keys individually inherit their default values from defaults database. If you set one of the keys, it no longer matters what the default is, but the other one still inherits the default. So, looking at Stephen's screenshot, its obvious what happened. He added a new launcher to his panel at some point, setting object_id_list to contain all the default launchers and his new one. toplevel_id_list remained unset, inheriting the default. Now, when the panel package was updated the defaults changed, adding an extra panel to toplevel_id_list, removing the menu button from object_id_list and adding the menu bar to object_id_list. End result is that Stephen sees the new panel, but still sees the menu button when he should be seeing the menu bar. Cheers, Mark. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 5 11:16:11 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (kyrre at solution-forge.net) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Lexmark printer cartridge alignment In-Reply-To: <20041004161402.A549@mail.harddata.com> References: <200410042039.i94KdnRk021336@graze.net> <20041004161402.A549@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <33096.81.191.130.121.1096974971.squirrel@solution-forge.net> Personally, i had a "good" experience with lexmarks binary drivers with some Laser printers. Only thing that sucked was that i had to use their app to config it, and it refused to show up in system-config-printer (exept the one connected to lp0). And *then* edit the printers.conf (i think) to make it print to a SMB host... The reason that i had to use their drivers, is that the RH supplied ones failed to print *some* pages... And the printer said it was PS compatible. HP is usually nice, tough. > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 10:39:48PM +0200, huffman at graze.net wrote: >> >> ... and found one stumbling block for which I couldn't find a >> solution. She has a small Lexmark inkjet printer - think it's >> like a Z21 or something. In windows she's able to "align the >> print cartridges" without which both graphics and text that look >> choppy. I see no way to do this under linux. > > Not that this has much to do with testing Fedora, but ... > > The way to do that under Linux is just to "print" to a printer an > appriopriate binary pattern. Possibly you may need to create a > "raw" queue on that printer, and send these files through that, in > order to prevent a print system from beeing "smart". I do not know. > > A long time ago I was hacking for a friend a support for one of > those Lexmark jets, which was not a very gratifying experience, and > found that web page: > > http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/lexmark/lexmark.html > > You will find there, among other things, files for a head aligment > and head cleaning and a bit more. AFAIK they fit all these > small Lexmark jets but you will have to try. > > You are in a better situation then me at that time as most likely > one of Lexmark drivers included with Fedora will be ok for that > printer (Lexmark 7000, or 7200, or Z22 if they indeed are > different). How well this will fit I have no idea. > > Michal > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 5 11:33:14 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:33:14 -0400 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <4162867A.4010704@sbcglobal.net> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Hello, everyone: > > First time on this list (in fact, first time ever running a beta OS on > my primary work computer, so bear with me). Nice to meet everyone. > > I'm running FC3-T2 on an IBM Thinkpad T23. Fairly frequent crashes in > some apps, and my sound does not work (whereas it did in earlier FC > releases and in RHL). Will make a more complete report soon, so I can > start troubleshooting this stuff. For now, though... Did you come from FC2, FC1 or from an RHL release. You probably already experienced the alsa settings are minimum volume and minimum other controls at boot. If your latest FC release was FC1 and you never tried FC2 before, you might need to open the volume-control to see what settings are there. BTW - one of my notify developer's report related to sound. > > 1. Where are the FAQ's for this list and the devel community? Save me > some embarrassment and point me to the primary FM's to R, OK? > > 2. How to edit the GNOME menus? I installed Sun StarOffice 7, which > comes with neat little "*.desktop" files already. But where to put them > so all menus for all users show them? (I'd like to put them in the > "Office" category.) > > 3. Why the switch to two panels? I now have one narrow panel at the top > of the screen, and another one at the bottom. If I don't like it (and in > the first 12 hours of use, I don't) can I easily switch back to having > one panel at the bottom with everything on it? Or must I manually > dismantle everything and rebuild it ? You can drag and drop items from one panel to the other. Then you can remove the panel you do not desire. I've always used two panels, one on top for apps, a lower for utilties, clock, etc. I made a new account to test the default layout. I like the new setup better than what I've used before with my setup. I'll probably start fresh with my main account and customize from the default. > > 4. Is the "notify the developers" button after a crash useful to you > all, or is it new functionality? I'll be happy to use it if it helps... > should I? I've used it and recieved feedback and resolutions for issues. It sends reports via sendmail and local settings. If you cc a redhat address you will get a bounceback reply from your local mail. Mail is accepted at gnome.org with no problems. > > 5. I cannot seem to get my Palm Tungsten T3 to sync via USB. In FC1/FC2 > (i.e. last week), "ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/pilot" used to work. > Now, /dev/ttyUSB0 is created and destroyed dynamically and I'm not sure > whether this affects my difficulty. Or must /dev/pilot have a specific > owner and permissions? Any HOWTO for this? > > Thanks, and sorry if dropping several questions in one message causes an > inconvenience. Usually I'd create a new thread for each one, but I must > get some of these things corrected quickly. > > Cheers, > > Welcome to the testing environment. It is a little bit different than the fedora-list. I think most posting preferences are fairly the same. Most questions are about the problems with test release candidates and not as much about how to setup features. Jim "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From marshall at novafoundry.com Tue Oct 5 11:54:10 2004 From: marshall at novafoundry.com (Marshall Lewis) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:54:10 -0400 Subject: gnome-panel problem (and no, I'm not talking about two panels) In-Reply-To: <1096965244.8563.232.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096921431.4749.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096965244.8563.232.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096977251.13307.0.camel@grendel> Ah.. so it was intentional :) ... Thanks for the info. -- Marshall On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 09:34 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 21:23, Marshall D. Lewis wrote: > > I run a dual-head configuration (using twinview), prior to the update, > > my panel's window list would (correctly in my opinion) show the tasks on > > both screens, now it only shows the tasks on the side of the screen the > > panel is on. > > > > If I drag a window from one screen to another it will appear/disappear > > from the list as it crosses the halfway mark. > > Yeah, a patch was added to make the tasklist only show windows on the > current monitor since the default setup with Xinerama is to have a > tasklist on each monitor. > > However, we need to do more work to detect the case where there's only > a single tasklist and have it show the windows from all monitors. See: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154040 > > Cheers, > Mark. > -- Marshall Lewis From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 11:58:41 2004 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:58:41 -0400 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <4162867A.4010704@sbcglobal.net> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4162867A.4010704@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: The Test-list archives are good start to find solutions to problems like you are having with your pilot. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-September/msg01320.html Contains an explanation and solution that should get you back up and running. -Jon On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:33:14 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > Hello, everyone: > > > > First time on this list (in fact, first time ever running a beta OS on > > my primary work computer, so bear with me). Nice to meet everyone. > > > > I'm running FC3-T2 on an IBM Thinkpad T23. Fairly frequent crashes in > > some apps, and my sound does not work (whereas it did in earlier FC > > releases and in RHL). Will make a more complete report soon, so I can > > start troubleshooting this stuff. For now, though... > > Did you come from FC2, FC1 or from an RHL release. You probably already > experienced the alsa settings are minimum volume and minimum other > controls at boot. > > If your latest FC release was FC1 and you never tried FC2 before, you > might need to open the volume-control to see what settings are there. > BTW - one of my notify developer's report related to sound. > > > > > 1. Where are the FAQ's for this list and the devel community? Save me > > some embarrassment and point me to the primary FM's to R, OK? > > > > 2. How to edit the GNOME menus? I installed Sun StarOffice 7, which > > comes with neat little "*.desktop" files already. But where to put them > > so all menus for all users show them? (I'd like to put them in the > > "Office" category.) > > > > 3. Why the switch to two panels? I now have one narrow panel at the top > > of the screen, and another one at the bottom. If I don't like it (and in > > the first 12 hours of use, I don't) can I easily switch back to having > > one panel at the bottom with everything on it? Or must I manually > > dismantle everything and rebuild it ? > > You can drag and drop items from one panel to the other. Then you can > remove the panel you do not desire. > > I've always used two panels, one on top for apps, a lower for utilties, > clock, etc. I made a new account to test the default layout. I like the > new setup better than what I've used before with my setup. > I'll probably start fresh with my main account and customize from the > default. > > > > > 4. Is the "notify the developers" button after a crash useful to you > > all, or is it new functionality? I'll be happy to use it if it helps... > > should I? > > I've used it and recieved feedback and resolutions for issues. It sends > reports via sendmail and local settings. If you cc a redhat address you > will get a bounceback reply from your local mail. Mail is accepted at > gnome.org with no problems. > > > > > 5. I cannot seem to get my Palm Tungsten T3 to sync via USB. In FC1/FC2 > > (i.e. last week), "ln -s /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/pilot" used to work. > > Now, /dev/ttyUSB0 is created and destroyed dynamically and I'm not sure > > whether this affects my difficulty. Or must /dev/pilot have a specific > > owner and permissions? Any HOWTO for this? > > > > Thanks, and sorry if dropping several questions in one message causes an > > inconvenience. Usually I'd create a new thread for each one, but I must > > get some of these things corrected quickly. > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Welcome to the testing environment. It is a little bit different than > the fedora-list. I think most posting preferences are fairly the same. > Most questions are about the problems with test release candidates and > not as much about how to setup features. > > Jim > "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." > > - Linus Torvalds > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Tue Oct 5 13:34:47 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:34:47 -0400 Subject: realplay, hxplay hang Message-ID: Not sure what's causing this. I have been using realplay for some time with no problem. Now something makes it hang. It always hangs 100% of the time. Only clue is this info from strace: [...] gettimeofday({1096983064, 316630}, NULL) = 0 poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 9) = 0 gettimeofday({1096983064, 332402}, NULL) = 0 gettimeofday({1096983064, 332499}, NULL) = 0 ioctl(4, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 gettimeofday({1096983064, 332722}, NULL) = 0 poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 9) = 0 gettimeofday({1096983064, 348811}, NULL) = 0 gettimeofday({1096983064, 348907}, NULL) = 0 ioctl(4, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 [repeat forever...] From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 13:56:32 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:56:32 -0400 Subject: firefox uses helix player to open rpm downloads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa7910410050656191760c3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:01:28 -0400, Lee Connell wrote: > Today when i clicked on the ati rpm driver from www.ati.com using firefox it > launched the helix player and then closed it, did not download at all. I > had to tell it to save link as.... Anyone else having this issue? I am > completely up2date with all packages. I can confirm that this happens to me with the ati.com site. But I can't easily find any othersite with rpm packages that does causes this to happen. For example the rpm links at www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html do not cause helix to start. So the question is, is ati's site doing something to suggest the wrong mime-type? You might need to inform ati to reconfigure their server. -jef From jdennis at redhat.com Tue Oct 5 14:31:09 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:31:09 -0400 Subject: /var/spool/mail and new users In-Reply-To: <1096964822.3538.21.camel@datacc> References: <1096964822.3538.21.camel@datacc> Message-ID: <1096986669.26938.1.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 04:27, mike wrote: > Does anyone know where it is defined that a new mbox file is created > in /var/spool/mail when a new user is created? > > I use dovecot/exim with maildir and it gets in the way You should read the doc in /usr/share/doc/dovecot-*/mail-storages.txt and see the comments in /etc/dovecot.conf, where you will probably need to make an edit. Then restart the dovecot service. -- John Dennis From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Tue Oct 5 14:41:26 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:41:26 -0400 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 Message-ID: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> 10/5/2004 I looks like yum update is working again after todays download. It seems to have been broken for several weeks. Up2date still does not work From chambery at suppressingfire.org Tue Oct 5 14:49:34 2004 From: chambery at suppressingfire.org (Todd Chambery) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:49:34 -0400 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 In-Reply-To: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> Message-ID: <4162B47E.6010608@suppressingfire.org> I just installed FC3-test2 last night and did a "full" up2date this morning (8am EST). I rebooted and everything seems kosher. Nave, Ronald wrote: >10/5/2004 > > >I looks like yum update is working again after todays download. It seems to >have been broken for several weeks. > >Up2date still does not work > > > > From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 16:04:39 2004 From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:34:39 +0530 Subject: up2date & yum, behind corporate firewall Message-ID: <3de8e1f7041005090449e7f85d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Is there any way to use up2date & yum from behind a corporate firewall, except setting up an explicit HTTP tunnel (which BTW is banned by my co.!! so it's a strict no-no). ? also, is there a easy way to check connectivity with the up2date / yum servers for their ability to serve the update files ? sorry about the pretty naive sounding questions!! thanks & regards, bdutta -- -------------------- Diamond is a piece of coal that did well under pressure. From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Tue Oct 5 16:12:33 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:12:33 -0400 Subject: Probs with xinitrc after todays rawhide update Message-ID: <1096992753.8712.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134673 Missing fi. Looks like the missing fi causes the problem when the user has not used switchdesk to define a desktop. Quoting from bugzilla: Additional Comment #1 From Tim Vismor (tvismor at acm.org) on 2004-10-05 11:38 ------- I had this problem also. It appears to be caused by modifications to /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients that resulted in a syntax error. More specifically, a "fi" is missing in the first if block: PREFERRED= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/desktop if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" ]; then PREFERRED=gnome-session elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" ]; then PREFERRED=startkde + fi <-------------------------- fi From alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de Tue Oct 5 16:25:14 2004 From: alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de (Alexander Dalloz) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:25:14 +0200 Subject: up2date & yum, behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <3de8e1f7041005090449e7f85d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3de8e1f7041005090449e7f85d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096993513.9063.450.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Am Di, den 05.10.2004 schrieb Banibrata Dutta um 18:04: > Is there any way to use up2date & yum from behind a corporate > firewall, except setting up an explicit HTTP tunnel (which BTW is > banned by my co.!! so it's a strict no-no). ? Are you sure you are asking on the correct list? I feel this is a question for the fedora-list at redhat.com and no specific test release topic. If HTTP is permitted through the firewall, yum and up2date configured to use HTTP mirror servers should work properly without problems. > also, is there a easy way to check connectivity with the up2date / yum > servers for their ability to serve the update files ? You can reach each repository mirror server using your web browser. > bdutta Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | GPG key 1024D/ED695653 1999-07-13 Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 18:22:49 up 5 days, 20:48, load average: 0.91, 1.07, 0.88 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I should say that I am using the yum.conf that came with FC3t2., so that - if I understand correctly - the only repository searched is =============================================== [development] name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ =============================================== In any case, I then ran "yum update" again, and it started to download the 390 rpms again, despite the fact that they are all present in /var/cache/yum/development . Does yum not check to see if it already has rpms? If not, is there any way to stop it downloading them all again? Also, should I use a mirror in place of the URL above? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 5 17:14:26 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:14:26 +0200 Subject: Lastest /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients (xinitrc-3.42-1) broken In-Reply-To: <1096995958.4011.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096995958.4011.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096996466.4011.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 05 octobre 2004 ? 19:05 +0200, Matias F?liciano a ?crit : > /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients is broken. Buzilla #134690 (Ryan Skadberg) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately, there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. With regard to StarOffice, where does the installer put the *.desktop files? Do they have a "Categories=" line, and if so what does it say? From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 5 17:57:54 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:57:54 +0200 Subject: Lexmark printer cartridge alignment In-Reply-To: <20041005105507.C21177@mail.harddata.com> References: <200410042039.i94KdnRk021336@graze.net> <20041004161402.A549@mail.harddata.com> <33096.81.191.130.121.1096974971.squirrel@solution-forge.net> <20041005105507.C21177@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1096999040.4161.8.camel@kyrre> I meant HP's ink-jets. Oh.. *exept* my hp2000 they work great. I really dont have a clue how to force CUPS to use PCL (i think they use PJL as well, whatever that may be... The printer drivers seems to sometimes use PS, other times use PJL. Anyway, PS wouldn't print certain doc's. They just claimed that something was wrong with the PS... Optera S 1255 and 1855 btw) btw ansver to the list... tir, 05.10.2004 kl. 18.55 skrev Michal Jaegermann: > > > > The reason that i had to use their drivers, is that the RH supplied ones > > failed to print *some* pages... And the printer said it was PS compatible. > > Not these Lexmark printers. Printers in question are small colour > jets. They are definitely not Postscript printers. Lexmark laser > printers may include Postscript but (usually?) they will accept PCL > too. > > > HP is usually nice, tough. > > HP is famous for supplying for many years printers with nasty > bugs in a Postscript interpreter. You could always drive them as > PCL printers though; and they used to be well built but recent > models are apparently a very mixed bag. > > Michal > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 5 17:59:45 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:59:45 +0200 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <1096999185.4161.9.camel@kyrre> the .desktop's for the menu has as far as i know always lived in /usr/share/applications tir, 05.10.2004 kl. 19.57 skrev Michael Knepher: > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 23:43 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > 2. How to edit the GNOME menus? I installed Sun StarOffice 7, > > which > > comes with neat little "*.desktop" files already. But where to put > > them > > so all menus for all users show them? (I'd like to put them in the > > "Office" category.) > > > > After Test 3 comes out, I'm going to try to update my RH9 tutorial on > editing the gnome menus to cover the changes in FC3. Unfortunately, > there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably > won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. > > With regard to StarOffice, where does the installer put the *.desktop > files? Do they have a "Categories=" line, and if so what does it say? From walters at redhat.com Tue Oct 5 18:46:30 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:46:30 -0400 Subject: realplay, hxplay hang In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097001990.26546.17.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 09:34 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Not sure what's causing this. I have been using realplay for some time with > no problem. Now something makes it hang. It always hangs 100% of the > time. Only clue is this info from strace: What if you move ~/.hxplayerrc out of the way? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From talbotscott at cox.net Tue Oct 5 19:18:42 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:18:42 -0700 Subject: could not boot Message-ID: <1097003922.3440.3.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Hello list! Just thought I'd drop this line. Tried rebooting to get a new gnome screen and found that I could not log in to any account. Dug around a little bit and found that there was an unmatched if-fi pair in '/etc/X11/xinit/Xclients' so that: # check to see if the user has a preferred desktop PREFERRED= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/desktop if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" ]; then PREFERRED=gnome-session elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" ]; then PREFERRED=startkde ----->fi # added this to make logging on possible fi HTH Scott From johntrichardson at charter.net Tue Oct 5 20:06:43 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (johntrichardson at charter.net) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:43 +0000 Subject: FC3T2 on Inspiron 4100 + ATI - suspend works, resume doesn't Message-ID: <3a5h63$beif2j@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> I installed FC3 Test 2 on my Dell Inspiron 4100 with an ATI Radeon Mobility M6. I was quite happy that many things which I used to have to correct myself (with FC1) were already in place. Nice work. I noticed that ACPI is setup by default. In fact, I can now actually get the computer to suspend with "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep". The problem is that it doesn't always come back up correctly. It seems like about half the time, after I resume, the X11 display has "snow" or "fog" on it, like something has bit-bombed the display memory at regular intervals. I'm pretty clueless about why this would happen. I visited the swsusp.sf.net web page, but it seems to indicate that there is (yet again) a new suspend (suspend 2). But to use this, I need to patch, which is in my previous experience rarely works against the redhat kernel sources? (Any reason to keep the redhat kernel? Are there nice laptop enhancements in there, like there were in FC1?) In any case, does someone know a workaround which keeps ACPI working? I know I can use APM, but ACPI is much more flexible! From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 5 20:08:08 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:08:08 -0600 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> Message-ID: <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 10:57 -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: > there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably > won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. > That really is a shame, since not being able to edit the menus to add stuff is one of the biggest complaints I hear from moderately-clueful Windows users who would like to switch. Heck, it's one of *my* biggest beefs and I've been using Linux for years... > With regard to StarOffice, where does the installer put the *.desktop > files? Do they have a "Categories=" line, and if so what does it say? > Note that copying those files to /usr/share/applications as someone suggested worked perfectly and the applications showed up instantly on the GNOME menu. Nice. Now, why aren't the StarOffice and MS Office (DOC/XLS) extensions associated with the correct program? They were correctly set up in FC2 and earlier... what changed? I tried to look for the file associations but for the life of me could not find them. Below is the contents of one of them (so7spreadsheet.desktop), located in /opt/staroffice7/share/gnome/net (there is also a KDE directory). I've solved this problem with the list's help, so this file is just in case you're curious: [Desktop Entry] Version=1.0 Encoding=UTF-8 Terminal=0 Categories=Application;Office;X-Red-Hat-Base; Icon=/opt/staroffice7/share/icons/calc.png Exec=/opt/staroffice7/program/scalc %U Type=Application Name=StarOffice 7 Spreadsheet Comment=Create a new spreadsheet Name[en]=StarOffice 7 Spreadsheet Name[ru]=StarOffice 7 ??????????? ??????? Name[el]=StarOffice 7 ??????? Name[nl]=StarOffice 7 Tabel Name[fr]=StarOffice 7 Classeur Name[es]=StarOffice 7 Hoja de c?lculo Name[cd]=StarOffice 7 Crea Name[it]=StarOffice 7 Tabella Name[da]=StarOffice 7 Tabel Name[sv]=StarOffice 7 Tabell Name[pl]=StarOffice 7 Arkusz Name[de]=StarOffice 7 Tabelle Name[ja]=StarOffice 7 ??? Name[ko]=StarOffice 7 ?????? Name[zh_CN]=StarOffice 7 ??? Name[zh_TW]=StarOffice 7 ??? Name[tr]=StarOffice 7 Tablo Comment[en]=Create a new spreadsheet Comment[de]=Ein neues Tabellendokument erstellen Comment[es]=Creaci?n de una nueva hoja de c?lculo Comment[fr]=Cr?ation d?un nouveau classeur Comment[it]=Crea un nuovo foglio elettronico Comment[ja]=??????????????? Comment[ko]=?????? ?? ??? Comment[sv]=Skapa ett nytt tabelldokument Comment[zh_CN]=??????? Comment[zh_TW]=??????? Thanks! -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 5 20:09:26 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:09:26 -0600 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <1096999185.4161.9.camel@kyrre> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1096999185.4161.9.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1097006966.5765.12.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 19:59 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > the .desktop's for the menu has as far as i know always lived in > /usr/share/applications > Thanks, Kyrre... that worked like a charm. Now I'm searching for how to associate file extensions such as DOC/XLS with an application so that I can double-click on a file and have it open in the right app. That used to be in File Associations in the GNOME Control Center IIRC, but I can't find it. Many changes. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In this case a line like Categories=Application;Office; in each *.desktop file should be sufficient to get it in the menu. > tir, 05.10.2004 kl. 19.57 skrev Michael Knepher: > > On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 23:43 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > 2. How to edit the GNOME menus? I installed Sun StarOffice 7, > > > which > > > comes with neat little "*.desktop" files already. But where to put > > > them > > > so all menus for all users show them? (I'd like to put them in the > > > "Office" category.) > > > > > > > After Test 3 comes out, I'm going to try to update my RH9 tutorial on > > editing the gnome menus to cover the changes in FC3. Unfortunately, > > there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably > > won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. > > > > With regard to StarOffice, where does the installer put the *.desktop > > files? Do they have a "Categories=" line, and if so what does it say? > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 5 20:16:37 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:16:37 -0600 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <4162867A.4010704@sbcglobal.net> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4162867A.4010704@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1097007397.5765.19.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 07:33 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Did you come from FC2, FC1 or from an RHL release. You probably already > experienced the alsa settings are minimum volume and minimum other > controls at boot. > I still have a desktop box on FC1, and my notebook was FC2 until the hard drive died (which is why I decided to install FC3-T2 now). I used RHL extensively from 7.3 through 9, and sparingly before then. However, 95% of my experience was in text-mode servers with no X installed. I have noticed that the volume settings are turned down. However, turning it up does not make the sound work on my T23 any more (it did on FC2). I'll play with it a little, then post a more useful note about it. > You can drag and drop items from one panel to the other. Then you can > remove the panel you do not desire. > Thanks; fixed it to my satisfaction now. Being able to move things between the two panels is a Very Cool Feature. Congrats to the devel team for that kind of thing. > Welcome to the testing environment. It is a little bit different than > the fedora-list. I think most posting preferences are fairly the same. > Most questions are about the problems with test release candidates and > not as much about how to setup features. > I expected lots of differences, so that's OK. I fully intend to become a useful testing member of this community, but I have to be able to get some work done and get the machine functioning well before I can concentrate on helping find and test problems. Must earn a living using this computer, too. 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From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Tue Oct 5 20:53:00 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 Message-ID: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> I reinstalled Fc3-T2 after reaching a corrupt state after running yum. Everything looked good until a ran yum again. Then X stopped working with a script error on startup. When I rebooted the system froze during bootup at the same point it died prior to the reload. I am giving up on testing at least until FC3-T3 or FC3 final comes out. From jim at jbsys.com Tue Oct 5 20:52:14 2004 From: jim at jbsys.com (James C. Bevier) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:52:14 -0700 Subject: tvtime broken Message-ID: <001601c4ab1d$31cdaae0$0c01a8c0@nugget> Tvtime has become broken in the last few days. It now gets a segentation fault. Here is the info: Oct 5 13:38:25 jbsys kernel: tvtime[6028] general protection rip:43d5fd rsp:7fbfffe638 error:0 Here is the output of tvtime -v: Running tvtime 0.9.13. Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml Reading configuration from /home/jbev/.tvtime/tvtime.xml cpuinfo: CPU AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, family 15, model 4, stepping 8. cpuinfo: CPU measured at 181385697692486.312MHz. xcommon: Display :0.0, vendor The X.Org Foundation, vendor release 60801000 xfullscreen: Single-head detected, pixel aspect will be calculated. xfullscreen: Pixel aspect ratio on the primary head is: 16/15 == 1.07. xfullscreen: Using the XFree86-VidModeExtension to calculate fullscreen size. xfullscreen: Fullscreen to 0,0 with size 1280x1024. xcommon: Have XTest, will use it to ping the screensaver. xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. xcommon: Window manager is KWin and is EWMH compliant. xcommon: Using EWMH state fullscreen property. xcommon: Using EWMH state above property. xcommon: Using EWMH state below property. xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. xcommon: Displaying in a 720x576 window inside 720x576 space. xvoutput: Using XVIDEO adaptor 53: NV Video Overlay. speedycode: Using MMXEXT optimized functions. station: Reading stationlist from /home/jbev/.tvtime/stationlist.xml videoinput: Using video4linux2 driver 'cx8800', card 'Leadtek Winfast 2000XP Expert' (bus PCI:0000:00:0d.0). videoinput: Version is 4, capabilities 5010011. videoinput: Width 720 too high, using 640 instead as suggested by the driver.tvtime: Sampling input at 640 pixels per scanline. xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. xcommon: Displaying in a 720x576 window inside 720x576 space. xcommon: Received a map, marking window as visible (76). xcommon: Window fully obscured, marking window as hidden (76). xcommon: Window made visible, marking window as visible (76). videoinput: Tuner refuses to tell us the current frequency: Invalid argument videoinput: Please file a bug report at http://tvtime.net/ The kernel is 591 and all updates as of today. I am not sure when it broke in the last week or so. Jim From adam at dynamicinteraction.co.uk Tue Oct 5 21:26:26 2004 From: adam at dynamicinteraction.co.uk (Mr. Adam ALLEN) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:26:26 +0100 Subject: Dell Latitude CPi screen limited to 800x600 (can't get 1024x768) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097011586.3620.32.camel@elsol.zwan.mellon-collie.net> On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 00:52 +0000, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > > Meanwhile, anyone have any hints? > > The display controller is Neomagic 128, but I'm using the "vesa" driver > > Pentium II @ 300MHz I had the same issue sometime ago (around Psyche or Shrike), with a Dell laptop, though it was an ATI. It had worked at 1024x768 in previous releases, but since then I have needed to change the Monitor to a Generic 1024x768 LCD. Hope this helps. -- Regards, Adam Allen. adam at dynamicinteraction.co.uk pgp http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x553349DB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pmatilai at welho.com Tue Oct 5 21:22:57 2004 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:22:57 +0300 Subject: firefox uses helix player to open rpm downloads In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410050656191760c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <604aa7910410050656191760c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097011377.27137.26.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 16:56, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:01:28 -0400, Lee Connell wrote: > > Today when i clicked on the ati rpm driver from www.ati.com using firefox it > > launched the helix player and then closed it, did not download at all. I > > had to tell it to save link as.... Anyone else having this issue? I am > > completely up2date with all packages. > > I can confirm that this happens to me with the ati.com site. > > But I can't easily find any othersite with rpm packages that does > causes this to happen. > For example the rpm links at www.gurulabs.com/downloads.html do not > cause helix to start. So the question is, is ati's site doing > something to suggest the wrong mime-type? > You might need to inform ati to reconfigure their server. Having .rpm associated with RealPlayer (or Helix) seems to be pretty much the default. AddType application/x-rpm .rpm in apache config fixes it, assuming you have some control over the web server. IIRC .rpm as far as RealPlayer formats go is extremely rare anyway. - Panu - From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Tue Oct 5 21:32:47 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:32:47 -0400 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> Message-ID: <1097011967.9137.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 16:53 -0400, Nave, Ronald wrote: > I reinstalled Fc3-T2 after reaching a corrupt state after running yum. > > Everything looked good until a ran yum again. > > Then X stopped working with a script error on startup. > > When I rebooted the system froze during bootup at the same point it died > prior to the reload. > > I am giving up on testing at least until FC3-T3 or FC3 final comes out. > Maybe this will help: boot into run level 3, logon as root and fix per the following using an editor: Quoting from bugzilla: Additional Comment #1 From Tim Vismor (tvismor at acm.org) on 2004-10-05 11:38 ------- I had this problem also. It appears to be caused by modifications to /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients that resulted in a syntax error. More specifically, a "fi" is missing in the first if block: PREFERRED= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/desktop if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" ]; then PREFERRED=gnome-session elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" ]; then PREFERRED=startkde + fi <-------------------------- fi From bala at site.lublin.pl Tue Oct 5 21:49:27 2004 From: bala at site.lublin.pl (Robert Balawejder) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:49:27 +0200 Subject: add new samba user Message-ID: <416316E7.7080905@site.lublin.pl> Hi, When I tried add new samba user (smbpasswd -a magda) than I got error message: Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user magda. Does this user exist in the UNIX password database ? Failed to modify password entry for user magda I didnt create system user named Magda before. Thanks bala From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Tue Oct 5 22:19:23 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:19:23 -0400 Subject: gam_server at 99% Message-ID: <1097014763.9552.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, Why would gam-server be running at 99% when mostly nothing is running? PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 7497 kunkelc 25 0 4700 1756 1860 R 99.0 0.2 19:57.56 gam_server 9550 kunkelc 15 0 2032 892 1656 R 3.9 0.1 0:00.02 top 1 root 16 0 2840 508 1400 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.36 init This is the first time I have seen this and I use top constantly. I see some closed bugzilla reports of a similar nature, but nothing current. From veillard at redhat.com Tue Oct 5 22:35:37 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:35:37 -0400 Subject: gam_server at 99% In-Reply-To: <1097014763.9552.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097014763.9552.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041005223537.GL29015@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 06:19:23PM -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > Hello, > > Why would gam-server be running at 99% when mostly nothing is running? > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 7497 kunkelc 25 0 4700 1756 1860 R 99.0 0.2 19:57.56 gam_server > 9550 kunkelc 15 0 2032 892 1656 R 3.9 0.1 0:00.02 top > 1 root 16 0 2840 508 1400 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.36 init > > This is the first time I have seen this and I use top constantly. I see > some closed bugzilla reports of a similar nature, but nothing current. if you have gamin 0.0.14 try to kill -USR2 7497 and provide part of the log saved in /tmp . If you can gdb attach and provide an even finer information that would be appreciated. if you have gamin < 0.0.14 tru to gdb attachm and debug, or upgrade and kill 7497 to restart the process then wait for the problem to show again. See http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/debug.html#Debugging1 thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 5 22:36:47 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:36:47 -0400 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> Message-ID: <416321FF.60006@speakeasy.net> Hi, If booting to run level 3 does not work either, then try single user mode Put a 1 on the end of the grub kernel line (Sorry if you already know that, some people don't) If single user works -- do a udevstart and see how you do at run level 3. What is the very last thing you see on VT1? before it freezes? Andrew Nave, Ronald wrote: >I reinstalled Fc3-T2 after reaching a corrupt state after running yum. > >Everything looked good until a ran yum again. > >Then X stopped working with a script error on startup. > >When I rebooted the system froze during bootup at the same point it died >prior to the reload. > >I am giving up on testing at least until FC3-T3 or FC3 final comes out. > > > From naheemzaffar at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 22:37:05 2004 From: naheemzaffar at gmail.com (Naheem Zaffar) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:37:05 +0100 Subject: Font Sizes on Login screen Message-ID: <3adc77210410051537144b0d0f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Since I updates my FC3T2 system a few days ago, I have a minor annoyance: The fonts on the login screen (default; gdm?) are really small. How do I correct the size to the correct size? iirc this happened in the same update in which I got two panels for gnome. (now been merged into one). This should help get a time scale. Further yum updating since has not fixed the problem. From Bryan_Frederick at baylor.edu Tue Oct 5 22:54:49 2004 From: Bryan_Frederick at baylor.edu (Frederick, Bryan) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:54:49 -0500 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> Message-ID: <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Quitter... ;-) On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 15:53, Nave, Ronald wrote: > I reinstalled Fc3-T2 after reaching a corrupt state after running yum. > > Everything looked good until a ran yum again. > > Then X stopped working with a script error on startup. > > When I rebooted the system froze during bootup at the same point it died > prior to the reload. > > I am giving up on testing at least until FC3-T3 or FC3 final comes out. From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 5 23:42:26 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:42:26 -0400 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 In-Reply-To: <200410051814.12215.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <4162B47E.6010608@suppressingfire.org> <200410051814.12215.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <41633162.7070309@sbcglobal.net> Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Tuesday 05 October 2004 15:49, Todd Chambery wrote: > > >>I just installed FC3-test2 last night and did a "full" up2date this >>morning (8am EST). I rebooted and everything seems kosher. > > > I just ran "yum update".on my FC3-test2 system > This downloaded about 400 headers > (have there really been that number of updates since FC3t2 came out?). > It then downloaded about 390 rpms, > and exited with the message that it could not find the remaining 10 rpms. > > I should say that I am using the yum.conf that came with FC3t2., > so that - if I understand correctly - the only repository searched is > =============================================== > [development] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree > baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ > =============================================== > > In any case, I then ran "yum update" again, > and it started to download the 390 rpms again, > despite the fact that they are all present in /var/cache/yum/development . > > Does yum not check to see if it already has rpms? > If not, is there any way to stop it downloading them all again? > > Also, should I use a mirror in place of the URL above? > > Mirrors are better choices. The main server usually errors out because of a heavy load from a lot of users. A good mirror should work much more reliably. The downloading of headers was covered in earlier postings. I believe that the discussion talked about which is downloaded and what is only compared. Did you get X to work better for you? -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Tue Oct 5 23:48:30 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:48:30 -0400 Subject: tvtime broken In-Reply-To: <001601c4ab1d$31cdaae0$0c01a8c0@nugget> References: <001601c4ab1d$31cdaae0$0c01a8c0@nugget> Message-ID: <416332CE.5020506@rogers.com> James C. Bevier wrote: >Tvtime has become broken in the last few days. >It now gets a segentation fault. Here is the info: > >Oct 5 13:38:25 jbsys kernel: tvtime[6028] general protection rip:43d5fd >rsp:7fbfffe638 error:0 > >Here is the output of tvtime -v: > >Running tvtime 0.9.13. >Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml >Reading configuration from /home/jbev/.tvtime/tvtime.xml >cpuinfo: CPU AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, family 15, model 4, stepping >8. >cpuinfo: CPU measured at 181385697692486.312MHz. >xcommon: Display :0.0, vendor The X.Org Foundation, vendor release 60801000 >xfullscreen: Single-head detected, pixel aspect will be calculated. >xfullscreen: Pixel aspect ratio on the primary head is: 16/15 == 1.07. >xfullscreen: Using the XFree86-VidModeExtension to calculate fullscreen >size. >xfullscreen: Fullscreen to 0,0 with size 1280x1024. >xcommon: Have XTest, will use it to ping the screensaver. >xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. >xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. >xcommon: Window manager is KWin and is EWMH compliant. >xcommon: Using EWMH state fullscreen property. >xcommon: Using EWMH state above property. >xcommon: Using EWMH state below property. >xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. >xcommon: Displaying in a 720x576 window inside 720x576 space. >xvoutput: Using XVIDEO adaptor 53: NV Video Overlay. >speedycode: Using MMXEXT optimized functions. >station: Reading stationlist from /home/jbev/.tvtime/stationlist.xml >videoinput: Using video4linux2 driver 'cx8800', card 'Leadtek Winfast 2000XP >Expert' (bus PCI:0000:00:0d.0). >videoinput: Version is 4, capabilities 5010011. >videoinput: Width 720 too high, using 640 instead as suggested by the >driver.tvtime: Sampling input at 640 pixels per scanline. >xcommon: Pixel aspect ratio 16:15. >xcommon: Displaying in a 720x576 window inside 720x576 space. >xcommon: Received a map, marking window as visible (76). >xcommon: Window fully obscured, marking window as hidden (76). >xcommon: Window made visible, marking window as visible (76). >videoinput: Tuner refuses to tell us the current frequency: Invalid argument >videoinput: Please file a bug report at http://tvtime.net/ > >The kernel is 591 and all updates as of today. I am not sure when it >broke in the last week or so. > >Jim > > > I noticed that the bttv tuner driver has changed some how. I'm getting the following status message during the loading of the usbvision driver. The tuner module still works just fine, but since I was trying to debug someone's problem. I noticed the message in their logfile. Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: tuner: Ignoring new-style parameters in presence of obsolete ones Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: saa7113_read 0xC8 Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: saa7113: status=c8 Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: saa7113_read 0x11 Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: saa7113: version=11 Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: saa7113: attaching SAA7113 at 0x4a Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: saa7113: attached to adapter usbvision #0 Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: tuner: chip found at addr 0xc2 i2c-bus usbvision #0 Oct 3 14:44:20 www kernel: tuner: type set to 17 (Philips NTSC_M (MK2)) by usbvision #0 What I don't understand is I'm running the same kernel and have not updated from yum, to a newer version of the kernel. I noticed this problem about last Friday. Again, I can not explain how this is possible. Still using the 541 kernel. The kernel would have to be upgraded for the tuner module to be updated. Dwaine. From ByteEnable at austin.rr.com Wed Oct 6 00:44:13 2004 From: ByteEnable at austin.rr.com (ByteEnable) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:44:13 -0500 Subject: Is audio/mpeg stripped out of the FC3T2 helix player? Message-ID: <41633FDD.1030901@austin.rr.com> Is audio/mpeg stripped out of the FC3T2 helix player? I keeping getting erros about missing "audio/mpeg". Is this part of the real helix player? Thanks. From carl.gherardi at nautronix.com.au Wed Oct 6 00:49:50 2004 From: carl.gherardi at nautronix.com.au (Carl Gherardi) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:49:50 +0800 Subject: up2date & yum, behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <3de8e1f7041005090449e7f85d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3de8e1f7041005090449e7f85d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097023790.24296.9.camel@coeus> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 21:34 +0530, Banibrata Dutta wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any way to use up2date & yum from behind a corporate > firewall, except setting up an explicit HTTP tunnel (which BTW is > banned by my co.!! so it's a strict no-no). ? > If you have proxy access, export http_proxy=http://proxybox:port/ Cant comment on up2date, i'd assume it used gnome/kde prefs though. Carl -- This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of NAUTRONIX LTD. 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From uxrules at netscape.net Wed Oct 6 01:24:59 2004 From: uxrules at netscape.net (Jamie Bohr) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:24:59 -0400 Subject: up2date & yum, behind corporate firewall Message-ID: <57CDE3B5.1B586F32.0022FA60@netscape.net> Hi, The proxy setting can be set manually via "up2date --configuration". I have had problems with up2date losing the proxy setting though so be careful. - Jamie Bohr Carl Gherardi wrote: >On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 21:34 +0530, Banibrata Dutta wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there any way to use up2date & yum from behind a corporate >> firewall, except setting up an explicit HTTP tunnel (which BTW is >> banned by my co.!! so it's a strict no-no). ? >> > >If you have proxy access, export http_proxy=http://proxybox:port/ > >Cant comment on up2date, i'd assume it used gnome/kde prefs though. > >Carl > >-- >This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. >Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of NAUTRONIX LTD. > >If you are not the intended recipient, you have received this email in error and use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. 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Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From joelbryanster at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 01:45:29 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryanster juliano) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:45:29 -0700 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man... I've replaced Windows 2003, for FC3T2... And I'm not complaining.......... On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:54:49 -0500, Frederick, Bryan wrote: > Quitter... ;-) > > > > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 15:53, Nave, Ronald wrote: > > I reinstalled Fc3-T2 after reaching a corrupt state after running yum. > > > > Everything looked good until a ran yum again. > > > > Then X stopped working with a script error on startup. > > > > When I rebooted the system froze during bootup at the same point it died > > prior to the reload. > > > > I am giving up on testing at least until FC3-T3 or FC3 final comes out. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From m_epling at comcast.net Wed Oct 6 01:54:41 2004 From: m_epling at comcast.net (AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:54:41 -0500 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097027682.5220.7.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> this being a test release which expresses non use on production servers ,terminals and computers ...i question your sanity On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 18:45 -0700, joelbryanster juliano wrote: > Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used > by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a > Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man... > > I've replaced Windows 2003, for FC3T2... And I'm not complaining.......... > > > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:54:49 -0500, Frederick, Bryan > wrote: > > Quitter... ;-) > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 15:53, Nave, Ronald wrote: > > > I reinstalled Fc3-T2 after reaching a corrupt state after running yum. > > > > > > Everything looked good until a ran yum again. > > > > > > Then X stopped working with a script error on startup. > > > > > > When I rebooted the system froze during bootup at the same point it died > > > prior to the reload. > > > > > > I am giving up on testing at least until FC3-T3 or FC3 final comes out. > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxer1 at xmission.com Wed Oct 6 01:55:20 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:55:20 -0600 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41635088.2000508@xmission.com> joelbryanster juliano wrote: >Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used >by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a >Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man... > >I've replaced Windows 2003, for FC3T2... And I'm not complaining.......... > > > Are you nuts? I sure hope your not managing my servers. You never run mission critical servers with a dev release. You oughta be fired. RaXeT From johntrichardson at charter.net Wed Oct 6 02:08:51 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (John Richardson) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:08:51 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 on Inspiron 4100 + ATI - suspend works, resume doesn't Message-ID: <1097028531.3217.7.camel@dhcppc2> > get the computer to suspend with "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep". The > problem is that it doesn't always come back up correctly. It seems > like > about half the time, after I resume, the X11 display has "snow" Well, I updated to the latest rawhide. The problem is still there, but it seems if it happens less frequently. Out of the last 5 times I did suspend to ram ("echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep") the only once. John From walters at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 02:17:29 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:17:29 -0400 Subject: Is audio/mpeg stripped out of the FC3T2 helix player? In-Reply-To: <41633FDD.1030901@austin.rr.com> References: <41633FDD.1030901@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1097029049.6670.6.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 19:44 -0500, ByteEnable wrote: > Is audio/mpeg stripped out of the FC3T2 helix player? I keeping getting > erros about missing "audio/mpeg". It's not stripped out; it's not included in the first place. It can't be due to legal reasons. > Is this part of the real helix player? RealPlayer? Yes. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johntrichardson at charter.net Wed Oct 6 02:16:14 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (John Richardson) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:16:14 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing Message-ID: <1097028974.3217.14.camel@dhcppc2> I updated to the newest rawhide (which seems to have the mouse import fix). But running "system-config-display --reconfig" doesn't generate any synaptics modules. A diff of the original xorg.conf with the newly generated shows no differences. The output you've requested is below. John ------------------------------------------------------------ # cat /proc/bus/input/devices I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0007 Version=0000 N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 H: Handlers=mouse0 event0 B: EV=b B: KEY=6420 0 70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: ABS=11000003 I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0001 Version=0000 N: Name="PS/2 Generic Mouse" P: Phys=synaptics-pt/serio0/input0 H: Handlers=mouse1 event1 B: EV=7 B: KEY=70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: REL=3 I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41 N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" P: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0 H: Handlers=kbd event2 B: EV=120003 B: KEY=4 2000000 3802078 f840d001 f2ffffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe B: LED=7 ------------------------------------------------------------ # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Multihead layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" LeftOf "Screen1" Screen 1 "Screen1" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" Option "Xinerama" "on" Option "Clone" "off" EndSection Section "Files" # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "record" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "dri" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # Option "XkbDisable" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: # Option "XkbLayout" "de" # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # Or if you just want both to be control, use: # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" # Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Dell 1400x1050 Laptop Display Panel" HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 VertRefresh 59.0 - 75.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Sony GDM-500PS/T/T9/21PS" HorizSync 30.0 - 107.0 VertRefresh 48.0 - 160.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "radeon" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "ATI Radeon Mobility M6" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard1" Driver "radeon" VendorName "Videocard Vendor" BoardName "ATI Radeon Mobility M6" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" Screen 1 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" Device "Videocard1" Monitor "Monitor1" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "800x600" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection From johntrichardson at charter.net Wed Oct 6 02:18:14 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (John Richardson) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:18:14 -0400 Subject: /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients Message-ID: <1097029094.3217.17.camel@dhcppc2> In the latest rawhide /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients, it looks like this is missing a "fi". PREFERRED= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/desktop if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" ]; then PREFERRED=gnome-session elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" ]; then PREFERRED=startkde fi <---- here fi From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Wed Oct 6 02:29:18 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:29:18 +0100 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 In-Reply-To: <41633162.7070309@sbcglobal.net> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <200410051814.12215.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <41633162.7070309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200410060329.18767.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 06 October 2004 00:42, Jim Cornette wrote: > > I just ran "yum update".on my FC3-test2 system > > This downloaded about 400 headers > > (have there really been that number of updates since FC3t2 came out?). > > It then downloaded about 390 rpms, > > and exited with the message that it could not find the remaining 10 rpms. > > In any case, I then ran "yum update" again, > > and it started to download the 390 rpms again, > > despite the fact that they are all present in /var/cache/yum/development > > . > > > > Does yum not check to see if it already has rpms? > > If not, is there any way to stop it downloading them all again? > The downloading of headers was covered in earlier postings. I believe > that the discussion talked about which is downloaded and what is only > compared. On looking more carefully, I see that yum does not download the whole rpm a second time, though it appears to say that is what it is doing. But it is clear from the size of the download that it is only downloading a small part of the rpm, presumably sufficient to ensure that the previous copy is OK. The fact remains that yum failed, quoting 11 rpms apparently missing. ================================================= Error Downloading Packages: gnome-vfs2 - 2.8.1-5.i386: failure: Fedora/RPMS/gnome-vfs2-2.8.1-5.i386.rpm from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. gettext - 0.14.1-11.i386: failure: Fedora/RPMS/gettext-0.14.1-11.i386.rpm from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors t o try. ... ================================================= What exactly is one meant to do in such a case? > Did you get X to work better for you? Sadly no, there has been no change in the behaviour of xorg on my Sony C1VFK Picgurebook. It works only in 8bpp. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From hugh at mimosa.com Wed Oct 6 07:07:43 2004 From: hugh at mimosa.com (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fc3-test2-x86_64 vs HP Pavilion zv5000z Message-ID: I'm trying FC3-test2 X86_64 on my new notebook. Lots of problems. I welcome hints! 1. the DVD image is too big. I've remastered the .iso, leaving out the SRPMs for koffice and OpenOffice (as suggested somewhere). I have attached my script for remastering to the bugzilla entry. 2. Checking the MD5 sum of the DVD works fine, but when it finishes, it goes into install. I'd like to be able to go back to the initial screen that gives me choices like "rescue". Probably hard to fix this, but it is an interface design infelicity. 3. During graphical install, the mouse (actually a Synaptics Touchpad) is not found. Some mailing lists suggest that the psmouse module needs to be pushed later than normal startup does. I don't understand. Could this be fallout from udev? See for example: 4. During graphical install, X comes up nicely (except for mouse problem noted above). Switching to any of the text consoles shows a broken display. Perhaps it could be described as lost sync, except I don't know that LCD panels have sync. This is apparently a known problem with the NV (nVidia) driver. The open source one, not the proprietary one. "lspci -v" says this about the video controller: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go 64M] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company: Unknown device 006d Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 Memory at e2000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=512K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [44] AGP version 2.0 See for example: 5. In rescue mode ("linux rescue" or "linux rescue noprobe"), when I type "reboot", I get: The system is going down NOW !! Sending SIGTERM to all processes. Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on \ unknown-block(3,2) Note: I did *not* ask for any partition on the HD to be mounted at the start of rescue mode. This is because the only partion is NTFS (so far). 6. I installed FC3-test2 X86_64. I had to use text mode since the touchpad was not detected. This went well. Unfortunately there was no way to suppress a graphical login for the installed system. Eventually I booted the DVD in rescue mode and editted the installed /etc/inittab to set the initial runlevel to 3. On initial boot of the installed system, I was asked to set up a few things. It was awkward without a mouse. Selecting the monitor from the list seemed impossible (I could not find a keystroke to expand a selected manufacturer list), so I accepted the default. Switching to the text consoles (CTRL-ALT-F2, for example) didn't work because they were corrupted (see above). 7. Now I can log in in console mode. When I do, the CPU speed is not throttled, even though the CPU is mostly idle. As a result, the notebook is blowing a lot of hot air. It would be better to switch it down to the lowest speed. WinXP does this. 8. I just tried pressing the power button briefly. In WinXP this means "suspend to disk". Under FC3, I got a screen full of: vt: argh, driver_data is NULL ! I have no idea how many, but at least a screen full. I then pressed C-A-D and got an oops: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 000000000000000000 RIP: {vt_ioctl+34} PML4 1a142067 PGD 17a79067 PMD 0 Oops: 0000 [2] [skipping list of modules linked in: I'm too lazy to type it] Pid: 9935, comm: shutdown Not tainted 2.6.8-1.541 [skipping] Call Trace: ... {filemap_nopage+362} ... {selinux_file_ioctl+735} ... {do_no_page+1944} ... {tty_ioctl+4023} ... {do_munmap+1212} ... (sys_ioctl+1029} ... {system_call+126} Code: 44 8b 38 49 63 c7 44 89 ff 48 8b 04 c5 e0 36 4c 80 48 89 44 I can flip between virtual consoles, but nothing I type goes into the WindowsXP. C-A-D will generate new Oopsen. To be continued. From harald at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 07:27:54 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:27:54 +0200 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 10:57 -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: > > >>there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably >>won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. >> >> >> > >That really is a shame, since not being able to edit the menus to add >stuff is one of the biggest complaints I hear from moderately-clueful >Windows users who would like to switch. Heck, it's one of *my* biggest >beefs and I've been using Linux for years... > > > What about using KDE? :-) From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 6 07:49:00 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:49:00 +0200 Subject: fc3-test2-x86_64 vs HP Pavilion zv5000z In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097048941.11170.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 06 octobre 2004 ? 03:07 -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier a ?crit : > I'm trying FC3-test2 X86_64 on my new notebook. Lots of problems. I > welcome hints! > > > [...] > 3. During graphical install, the mouse (actually a Synaptics > Touchpad) is not found. > > Some mailing lists suggest that the psmouse module needs to be pushed > later than normal startup does. $ grep MOUSE_PS2 kernel-2.6.8-x86_64*config (from 2.6.8-1.541) kernel-2.6.8-x86_64.config:CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2=y kernel-2.6.8-x86_64-smp.config:CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2=y No module for fc3t2 (rawhide). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From kase at cntw.com Wed Oct 6 08:19:22 2004 From: kase at cntw.com (Karl-Olov Serrander) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:19:22 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: No Internet folder in Applications menu Message-ID: Hi ! After the change to 2 panels my mozilla icon is missing and there is no Internet folder under Applications. Doing "Add to panel" "Applications Launcher" does not list any Internet apps. Same result after logging out and clean up of gnome-files in console-window. My system is fully updated as of Oct 5 updates. Has anyone else seen this ? Regards -- Karl-Olov Serrander kase at cntw.com From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Oct 6 08:24:57 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:24:57 -0700 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 In-Reply-To: <41633162.7070309@sbcglobal.net> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <4162B47E.6010608@suppressingfire.org> <200410051814.12215.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <41633162.7070309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1097051097.8525.8.camel@CirithUngol> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 19:42 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Timothy Murphy wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 October 2004 15:49, Todd Chambery wrote: > > Also, should I use a mirror in place of the URL above? > > Mirrors are better choices. The main server usually errors out because > of a heavy load from a lot of users. A good mirror should work much more > reliably. For the benefit of anyone having issues with Yum, here is the yum.conf I am using at present. There are many more mirrors than I am using, and these are all US (mostly western, some eastern). If you are in another country then I advise you to do a little groundwork here.. and get the correct mirror configured using the closest possible servers to you. If you are using the default yum.conf included when you installed FC3t2 do not complain about it failing.. it is KNOWN that the main redhat server (the only one configured by default) is incapable of supporting the entire FC community. You will experience timeouts until you use a mirror. File: /etc/yum.conf ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 retries=20 [development] name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree failover=priority baseurl=ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/development/$basearch/ ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ ftp://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/linux/core/development/$basearch/ ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/fedora/development/$basearch/ ftp://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ http://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/development/$basearch/ http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ From fedora at warmcat.com Wed Oct 6 08:38:31 2004 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:38:31 +0100 Subject: Automount / Autofs not timing out and unmounting usb flashkey In-Reply-To: <200410040839.20294.fedora@warmcat.com> References: <200410032212.30368.fedora@warmcat.com> <200410040839.20294.fedora@warmcat.com> Message-ID: <200410060938.38541.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 04 October 2004 08:39, Andy Green wrote: > > Just noticed on two machines tracking the Development branch, that autofs > > seems to be ignoring --timeout. Eg: > > Already Bugzilla-ed --- > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133365 > > --- since 2004-09-23 without comment.... ... and still no comment on this bug. I found that downgrading to autofs-4.1.2-2 fixed the problem on the two machines I tried it on, it seems to be a bug in autofs where it is not unmounting stuff. You'd think that might be considered worth looking at inside of two weeks. - -Andy - -- http://www.addintelligence.co.uk -- we design custom hardware and software for your products -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBY68OjKeDCxMJCTIRAvgPAKCPeCdXfotEsI/dCBzT7oeaI1UopwCdGeq4 XUbMISEdN3UBbnvw+YSwkDg= =GA2U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jaumec at lleida.net Wed Oct 6 10:51:12 2004 From: jaumec at lleida.net (Jaume =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cornad=F3?=) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:51:12 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 Message-ID: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> Is there any plan to integrate MySQL 4 in FC3? RHEL already do this... Thanks From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Wed Oct 6 10:59:57 2004 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:59:57 +0300 Subject: Is audio/mpeg stripped out of the FC3T2 helix player? In-Reply-To: <41633FDD.1030901@austin.rr.com> References: <41633FDD.1030901@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <200410061359.57107.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> ByteEnable kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, 6. lokakuuta 2004 03:44): > Is audio/mpeg stripped out of the FC3T2 helix player? I > keeping getting erros about missing "audio/mpeg". Is this > part of the real helix player? Helix player supports only open media types, the FAQ says (https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/helixrealfaq.html): Q. What media types and protocols does Helix Player support? Theora (Alpha 3 encoded content) Vorbis Ogg Basic SMIL 2.0 H263 RealPix RAM and RPM playlist formats RTSP streaming with RTP HTTP streaming RealText RealEvents -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 6 11:35:37 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:35:37 -0400 Subject: No Internet folder in Applications menu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4163D889.7050609@sbcglobal.net> Karl-Olov Serrander wrote: > Hi ! > > After the change to 2 panels my mozilla icon is missing and there is > no Internet folder under Applications. Doing "Add to panel" "Applications Launcher" > does not list any Internet apps. > > Same result after logging out and clean up of gnome-files in console-window. > > My system is fully updated as of Oct 5 updates. > > Has anyone else seen this ? > > Regards I am seeing this and have overcome the problem by creating a launcher on the desktop. I type mozilla as the application and then select the mozilla icon. After creating the launcher on the desktop, I drag and drop the launcher into my panel. As obvious as not seeing the mozilla selection on the applications menu, I thought this was intentional as to prefer firefox over mozilla. Eliminations of launchers for majorly used applications is not eliminating clutter, it is making the menus less useful. A solution might be for these "unwanted" applications can be removed from the menu from a right click option. This would cut down on the need to trunce the menus and cut down their usability. Jim -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Oct 6 11:37:48 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:37:48 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> Message-ID: <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> This has become a Very Frequenty Asked Question here. Starting with version 4 MySQL AB has changed the license to be pure GPL as is most open source software shipping with RedHat/Fedora. In this case the RedHat folks however came up with the lame excuse that this license does no longer permit linking with PHP. But as several people have brought up it is PHP's license that needs to be fixed in this case. MySQL AB has been made aware of that problem and changed their license to include an exception for Free and Open Source Software. RedHat has thereafter claimed that they need to wait for a new version to be released because the tarballs still included only the GPL license. On September 10, 2004 MySQL AB has finally released MySQL 4.0.21 under the new license and Alan Cox has claimed that "it may well make FC4 then". Unfortunately nothing has happened since that day and we are still stuck building the MySQL, perl-DBD-mysql and php-mysql packages ourselves. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Heisenberg may have slept here... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 6 11:42:06 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:42:06 -0400 Subject: Radeon troubles with latest FC2 upgrades. Message-ID: <4163DA0E.8030800@sbcglobal.net> As a note: There have been reports regarding the latest xorg-x11 updates pushed to FC2. This revision causes radeon 7000 problems for users, using the 6.7.0-9 release and they need to drop back to 6.7.0-5 because of this problem. Bugs have been filed by those w/ the problem on xorg bugzila. I don't know if bugs were filed on fedora bugzilla. Jim -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From DJWOOD1 at qinetiq.com Wed Oct 6 11:42:55 2004 From: DJWOOD1 at qinetiq.com (Wood David) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:42:55 +0100 Subject: New yum's STILL not updating FC3T2 Message-ID: OK. Here's the story so far... I have always used yum to update/upgrade successfully. I sit behind an http proxy server and define http_proxy=http://... to make yum work. I run yum as root. I use a fast local mirror which I can manually download from without any problem. I couldn't use yum-2.0.7-1.1 to update FC3T1 to FC3T2 because of the base-fonts conflict. However, I worked around this by downloading and installing the xorg-x11* and fonts-xorg* rpm's manually. I could then use yum to do the rest. So I am now at FC3T2. The problem is that every version of yum (up to 2.1.5) I've tried since yum-2.0.7 just won't work. The header downloading seems really slick in the new versions, and yum check-update works fine. But when I do yum update I get this: # yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 927 kB 00:03 developmen: ################################################## 3423/3423 Resolving Dependencies gcc-java-3.4.2-4.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 1.8 MB 00:02 Fedora/RPMS/gcc-java-3.4.2-4.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Error: failure: Fedora/RPMS/gcc-java-3.4.2-4.i386.rpm from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. I've gone back to using yum-2.0.7-1.1 and that works just fine. Any ideas? David The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. Emails and other electronic communication with QinetiQ may be monitored. Calls to QinetiQ may be recorded for quality control, regulatory and monitoring purposes. From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 12:06:28 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > This has become a Very Frequenty Asked Question here. > > Starting with version 4 MySQL AB has changed the license to be pure GPL > as is most open source software shipping with RedHat/Fedora. In this > case the RedHat folks however came up with the lame excuse that this > license does no longer permit linking with PHP. But as several people > have brought up it is PHP's license that needs to be fixed in this case. What exactly needs to be fixed in the PHP license? > MySQL AB has been made aware of that problem and changed their license > to include an exception for Free and Open Source Software. RedHat has > thereafter claimed that they need to wait for a new version to be > released because the tarballs still included only the GPL license. Yes, this is the correct procedure. The software you distribute is under the license included with it. You don't distribute a program that is not GPL just because its authors say they will GPL it in the near future. Red Hat Legal also looked over the new license and had some issues with it. > On September 10, 2004 MySQL AB has finally released MySQL 4.0.21 under > the new license and Alan Cox has claimed that "it may well make > FC4 then". Unfortunately nothing has happened since that day and we are > still stuck building the MySQL, perl-DBD-mysql and php-mysql packages > ourselves. Evidentally, Legal still has some issues with the "exception clause" that MySQL AB put in to overcome the above issues. There are previous mails about this on either fedora-test-list or fedora-devel-list. Look for a thread on MySQL on September 10th, the day it was released. Its quite a long discussion. The point is, you don't go blindly including software just because somebody says "oh, its all right now, everything is fine." You include software because it actually passes The Test. I'm not a lawyer. You're not a lawyer (probably). I am completely unqualified to interpret the MySQL AB license + exception clause. Evidentally, Some Lawyers Have Problems with said clause, but we need a little more explanation why from Red Hat Legal. I think some of it is in that thread I mentined above. Dan From mpeters at mac.com Wed Oct 6 12:22:35 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:22:35 -0700 Subject: Rhythmbox spec file Message-ID: <20041006122235.GC16840@devel.mpeters.us> The package rhythmbox in the spec file has the following: rm %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/rhythmbox/iradio-initial.pls touch %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/rhythmbox/iradio-initial.pls I understand why that is done, no mp3 support means the stations in the shoutcast playlist would not work. However, would it be possible to flag that file as %config(noreplace) in the %files section? If the gstreamer libgstmad.so is installed, shoutcast streams will work, and the system administrator may have put stuff in there so that new accounts can have some default radio stations when they first run rhythmbox. The way it currently is, any update to rhythmbox would erase whatever the system administrator has put there. From joelbryanster at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 12:37:57 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryanster) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:37:57 -0700 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: GNOME is classic, conservative and more organized than KDE, which is too contemporary, there's just too many things in KDE that you don't need.. On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:27:54 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > >On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 10:57 -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: > > > > > >>there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably > >>won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. > >> > >> > >> > > > >That really is a shame, since not being able to edit the menus to add > >stuff is one of the biggest complaints I hear from moderately-clueful > >Windows users who would like to switch. Heck, it's one of *my* biggest > >beefs and I've been using Linux for years... > > > > > > > What about using KDE? :-) > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From walters at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 12:48:34 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:48:34 -0400 Subject: Rhythmbox spec file In-Reply-To: <20041006122235.GC16840@devel.mpeters.us> References: <20041006122235.GC16840@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1097066914.6670.13.camel@nexus.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 05:22 -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: > If the gstreamer libgstmad.so is installed, shoutcast streams will > work, and the system administrator may have put stuff in there so that > new accounts can have some default radio stations when they first run > rhythmbox. How about if we add support for say an /etc/rhythmbox/iradio.d directory where you can drop additional initial playlists? > However, would it be possible to flag that file as %config(noreplace) > in the %files section? I'm hesitant to do that since it's in /usr, and was never really intended for sysadmin editing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Fulko.Hew at sita.aero Wed Oct 6 13:13:04 2004 From: Fulko.Hew at sita.aero (Fulko.Hew at sita.aero) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:13:04 -0400 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions Message-ID: joelbryanster @redhat.com on 10/06/2004 08:37:57 AM wrote: > GNOME is classic, conservative and more organized than KDE, which is > too contemporary, there's just too many things in KDE that you don't > need.. I see a religious battle a brewin' :-) and IMHO, there are too few things in Gnome that you can configure. :-( but thats my opinion, and it might not be yours... thats OK. But like I said... its a religious battle based on personal taste. And if you don't care about this... or that... then pick what you like and use it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and you can't (or at least not without a lot of pain) get a user to switch 'xxx' (apps, window managers, desktop managers, editors, etc.) From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Wed Oct 6 12:58:39 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:58:39 +0100 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 In-Reply-To: <1097051097.8525.8.camel@CirithUngol> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <41633162.7070309@sbcglobal.net> <1097051097.8525.8.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <200410061358.39771.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 06 October 2004 09:24, Andrew Farris wrote: > If you are using the default yum.conf included when you installed FC3t2 > do not complain about it failing.. it is KNOWN that the main redhat > server (the only one configured by default) is incapable of supporting > the entire FC community. You will experience timeouts until you use a > mirror. Thanks for the excerpt from your yum.conf . But would it not be better for the supplied yum.conf to suggest this itself? Eg could the URL not contain a $repository set to redhat at the top, with a suggestion that this should be replaced by a mirror? Incidentally, the failure in my case did not seem to be due to a timeout, but rather to the fact several of the rpms could not be found. (See below.) I found the lack of documentation on yum in /usr/share/doc or man rather disappointing, particularly since there have apparently been a number of changes in the way yum works. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Wed Oct 6 13:11:20 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:11:20 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1097068279.26208.20.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 07:37, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: [snip] > case the RedHat folks however came up with the lame excuse that this Lame excuse? All I can say is that I'm damn glad you don't make legal decisions at *my* company. If you make legal decisions at any company, I pity that company. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Wed Oct 6 13:13:43 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:13:43 +0100 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 In-Reply-To: <200410061358.39771.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097051097.8525.8.camel@CirithUngol> <200410061358.39771.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <200410061413.44211.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 06 October 2004 13:58, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Incidentally, the failure in my case did not seem to be due to a timeout, > but rather to the fact several of the rpms could not be found. (See below.) I forgot to include my not very interesting yum error message (excerpt from): =============================================== Error Downloading Packages: gnome-vfs2 - 2.8.1-5.i386: failure: Fedora/RPMS/gnome-vfs2-2.8.1-5.i386.rpm from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. gettext - 0.14.1-11.i386: failure: Fedora/RPMS/gettext-0.14.1-11.i386.rpm from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors t o try. =============================================== But I'll try again using a mirror site, or even a list of mirrors as suggested. Am I right in thinking that there is some entry in yum.conf which will make yum automatically look for mirrors? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From joelbryanster at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 13:14:41 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:14:41 -0700 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's all a matter of finding what your looking for, doing what you need to do, in a most comfortable way, wherein you will believe that what your doing is effecient. KDE has grown to be an advance, mature desktop environment.. There's just too many things that have been added, I bet you'll find six or more icons in one application, there's nothing wrong about that? but I was always lost in KDE, trying to find out what those icons are for? why do you need those icons for that application, wherein what is really important is your objective, why'd you run the software... On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:13:04 -0400, fulko.hew at sita.aero wrote: > > > joelbryanster @redhat.com on 10/06/2004 08:37:57 > AM wrote: > > > GNOME is classic, conservative and more organized than KDE, which is > > too contemporary, there's just too many things in KDE that you don't > > need.. > > I see a religious battle a brewin' :-) > > and IMHO, there are too few things in Gnome that you can configure. :-( > but thats my opinion, and it might not be yours... thats OK. > > But like I said... its a religious battle based on personal > taste. And if you don't care about this... or that... then > pick what you like and use it. You can't teach an old dog new > tricks, and you can't (or at least not without a lot of pain) > get a user to switch 'xxx' (apps, window managers, desktop managers, > editors, etc.) > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 13:17:54 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:17:54 -0400 Subject: yum with FC3-test2 In-Reply-To: <200410061358.39771.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729C@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <41633162.7070309@sbcglobal.net> <1097051097.8525.8.camel@CirithUngol> <200410061358.39771.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20041006131754.GA637@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 01:58:39PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I found the lack of documentation on yum in /usr/share/doc or man > rather disappointing, particularly since there have apparently been > a number of changes in the way yum works. Seth I'm sure would welcome contributions from the field to the yum system. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 6 13:31:07 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:31:07 +0200 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097069468.17201.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 06 octobre 2004 ? 05:37 -0700, joelbryanster a ?crit : > GNOME is classic, conservative and more organized than KDE, which is > too contemporary, there's just too many things in KDE that you don't > need.. Sound like : Unix is classic, conservative and more organized than Windows, which is too contemporary, there's just too many things in Windows that you don't need.. The "all in one" of Konqueror (or evolution :-)) is not a new paradigme. Adding fonctions/icons/options/menu again and again has nothing new. I don't need a conservative or contemporary desktop/programs. I need a good desktop/programs. If you think KDE is better than Gnome, great, use it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Wed Oct 6 13:39:55 2004 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:39:55 -0400 Subject: xinitrc 4.0.11-1 is available for testing, which fixes all known and unknown bugs Message-ID: <4163F5AB.20302@www.linux.org.uk> The xinitrc package has underwent a fair number of changes in the last couple of weeks, as I've passed through all open bug reports against it in bugzilla. Downside: - While fixing everything, and cleaning up the package, I introduced a couple of minor but fatal bugs, which pretty much everyone, their brother, their dog, and their insurance salesman will get hit by. - People are reporting these 2 bugs without first querying bugzilla to discover they've both been reported about 10000 times already, and are fixed internally. ;o) Upside: - I now know how many users we have, since it seems like every single one of them has filed a bug about this. ;o) - I've discovered that a single typo or bad line in one file can make the entire universe crumble. While I haven't yet figured out how to harness the power of xinitrc to take over the world, and haven't figured out how to turn a profit from "Fedora Core X11 protection insurance", I have fixed these two nasty glitches and built new rpms internally for FC3testX. ;o) The 2 bugs are present in xinitrc-4.0.6-1 through 4.0.10-1: - xinitrc missing closing "fi" in if block https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134673 - Xsession can't find xinitrc-common https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134785 Both of these issues are fixed in xinitrc-4.0.11-1, which is not yet in rawhide, however I have uploaded it to people.redhat.com, where you can download it manually, and install with "rpm": ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/xinitrc-4.0.11-1.noarch.rpm Those who wish to use "yum" or similar to get the package, can just wait a day or so until the package gets pushed into rawhide normally. Please test the new package to try and find any other glaring bugs or problems that might still be present. If you discover anything, please query bugzilla first to see if someone else has reported it, and if not, please open a new report for the issue. Thanks for testing Fedora Core development, and riding the edge! ;o) From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 6 13:45:25 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:45:25 -0400 Subject: Font Sizes on Login screen In-Reply-To: <3adc77210410051537144b0d0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3adc77210410051537144b0d0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097070325.6581.0.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 23:37 +0100, Naheem Zaffar wrote: > Hi Since I updates my FC3T2 system a few days ago, I have a minor > annoyance: The fonts on the login screen (default; gdm?) are really > small. How do I correct the size to the correct size? > > iirc this happened in the same update in which I got two panels for > gnome. (now been merged into one). This should help get a time scale. > Further yum updating since has not fixed the problem. > I noticed that also. -- Will Backman Coastal Enterprises, Inc. - A computer is a device used to convert data into error messages. From maxer1 at xmission.com Wed Oct 6 14:43:38 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:43:38 -0600 Subject: today's dev initscripts acting a little strange on install Message-ID: <4164049A.7040001@xmission.com> rpm -Uvh initscripts-7.87-1.i386.rpm error: Failed dependencies: /bin/runuser is needed by initscripts-7.87-1 Runuser is there? Not sure what this is all about. RaXeT From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Oct 6 14:51:21 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:51:21 +0100 Subject: Current yum updates Message-ID: <1097074282.6863.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm getting the following error when I run yum update as su Processing Dependency : /bin/runuser for package: initscripts Finishing Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser or pkg initscripts What gives? TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Wed Oct 6 14:48:43 2004 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:48:43 -0400 Subject: xinitrc 4.0.12-1 is available for testing, which fixes ssh-agent issue Message-ID: <416405CB.5060201@www.linux.org.uk> Subject says it all. ;o) One more bug was found in xinitrc which caused ssh-agent to not start under xdm/kdm/gdm. This is fixed in 4.0.12-1 which is downloadable from: ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/xinitrc/4.0.12-1/noarch/xinitrc-4.0.12-1.noarch.rpm This is the really really bug free version. Enjoy. ;) From cra at WPI.EDU Wed Oct 6 14:51:52 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:51:52 -0400 Subject: today's dev initscripts acting a little strange on install In-Reply-To: <4164049A.7040001@xmission.com> References: <4164049A.7040001@xmission.com> Message-ID: <20041006145152.GQ17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:43:38AM -0600, maxer1 wrote: > rpm -Uvh initscripts-7.87-1.i386.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > /bin/runuser is needed by initscripts-7.87-1 > > Runuser is there? Not sure what this is all about. It was moved to /sbin/runuser. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 6 14:57:04 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:57:04 -0600 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097074624.3316.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 09:27 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > What about using KDE? :-) > Not enough traffic on the list for you, hmm? I've had to do a lot of learning in Linux, and there are still many areas where I feel I have far too much to learn yet. So ages ago I decided that, where a "default" option is offered to me, I will take that option unless I really don't like it. Hence my use of GNOME... for me, KDE would just be one more thing to learn (regardless of its merits and even its similarities); and I'm still busy with Postfix/SpamAssassin/ClamAV/SASL, PHP/HTML, bandwidth control and traffic shaping, and a few dozen other things. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 6 15:02:42 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:02:42 -0600 Subject: /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients In-Reply-To: <1097029094.3217.17.camel@dhcppc2> References: <1097029094.3217.17.camel@dhcppc2> Message-ID: <1097074962.3316.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 22:18 -0400, John Richardson wrote: > In the latest rawhide /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients, it looks like this is > missing a "fi". > > PREFERRED= > if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then > . /etc/sysconfig/desktop > if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" ]; then > PREFERRED=gnome-session > elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" ]; then > PREFERRED=startkde > fi <---- here > fi > Did you file this in Bugzilla against the proper component? Typing "rpm -qf /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients" shows that this file is part of the xinitrc package, if that helps. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 6 15:09:32 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:09:32 -0600 Subject: today's dev initscripts acting a little strange on install In-Reply-To: <20041006145152.GQ17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <4164049A.7040001@xmission.com> <20041006145152.GQ17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1097075373.3316.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 10:51 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:43:38AM -0600, maxer1 wrote: > > rpm -Uvh initscripts-7.87-1.i386.rpm > > error: Failed dependencies: > > /bin/runuser is needed by initscripts-7.87-1 > > > > Runuser is there? Not sure what this is all about. > > It was moved to /sbin/runuser. > And we fix the system's inability to update this package... how? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 6 15:11:04 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:11:04 -0600 Subject: /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients In-Reply-To: <1097074962.3316.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097029094.3217.17.camel@dhcppc2> <1097074962.3316.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097075464.3316.12.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 09:02 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 22:18 -0400, John Richardson wrote: > > In the latest rawhide /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients, it looks like this is > > missing a "fi". > > > Did you file this in Bugzilla against the proper component? Typing "rpm > -qf /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients" shows that this file is part of the xinitrc > package, if that helps. > Oops, my bad: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134673 Seems to have already been fixed, too. New package is 4.0.12-1 IIRC and should be in Rawhide soon. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 6 15:14:29 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:14:29 +0200 Subject: /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients In-Reply-To: <1097074962.3316.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097029094.3217.17.camel@dhcppc2> <1097074962.3316.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097075669.17201.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 06 octobre 2004 ? 09:02 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 22:18 -0400, John Richardson wrote: > > In the latest rawhide /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients, it looks like this is > > missing a "fi". > > > > PREFERRED= > > if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then > > . /etc/sysconfig/desktop > > if [ "$DESKTOP" = "GNOME" ]; then > > PREFERRED=gnome-session > > elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" ]; then > > PREFERRED=startkde > > fi <---- here > > fi > > > > Did you file this in Bugzilla against the proper component? Already done : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134673 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134726 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134690 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134711 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134756 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134771 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134761 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thunderbird has some of the text above in blue, and some in black, which is an ugly mess. If this mail is in HTML, I apologize for the unfortunate choice of defaults we have in our mail clients. ;o) From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 6 15:27:12 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: today's dev initscripts acting a little strange on install In-Reply-To: <1097075373.3316.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <4164049A.7040001@xmission.com> <20041006145152.GQ17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1097075373.3316.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <2390.12.29.16.103.1097076432.squirrel@whooper.org> Rodolfo J. Paiz said: > On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 10:51 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:43:38AM -0600, maxer1 wrote: >> >>> rpm -Uvh initscripts-7.87-1.i386.rpm error: Failed dependencies: >>> /bin/runuser is needed by initscripts-7.87-1 >>> >>> >>> Runuser is there? Not sure what this is all about. >>> >> >> It was moved to /sbin/runuser. >> >> > > And we fix the system's inability to update this package... how? You: 1) verify that it is reported in bugzilla. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134806 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134807 2) Wait for an updated package 3) Repeat -- William Hooper From gvc at ocsystems.com Wed Oct 6 16:25:29 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:25:29 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1.2 unstable under upgraded RH9 Message-ID: <41641C79.6040204@ocsystems.com> I just upgraded RH9 on my T23 laptop to FC3t2, and OpenOffice is so unstable as to be almost unusable. I opened one bug via BugBuddy (I'm not sure if that was the appropriate forum): http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=67469 But it doesn't take too much to crash it. Even a simple copy and paste in oocalc gets the regions wrong. I can't believe that it's this broken for everyone, I must have some configuration problem. Should I have just done a clean install (audio was broken after the upgrade, too, but removing the sound card from the config and rerunning kudzu fixed that). --gvc (Glad to see wireless support is better integrated.) From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 16:31:39 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:31:39 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1.2 unstable under upgraded RH9 In-Reply-To: <41641C79.6040204@ocsystems.com> References: <41641C79.6040204@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <1097080299.17709.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Yes, this is known and has already been fixed for a while. The fix will be in FC3T3. Dan On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 12:25 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > I just upgraded RH9 on my T23 laptop to FC3t2, and OpenOffice is so unstable as > to be almost unusable. I opened one bug via BugBuddy (I'm not sure if that was > the appropriate forum): > > http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=67469 > > But it doesn't take too much to crash it. Even a simple copy and paste in > oocalc gets the regions wrong. I can't believe that it's this broken for > everyone, I must have some configuration problem. Should I have just done a > clean install (audio was broken after the upgrade, too, but removing the sound > card from the config and rerunning kudzu fixed that). > > --gvc > (Glad to see wireless support is better integrated.) > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 6 16:36:15 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:36:15 -0600 Subject: OpenOffice 1.1.2 unstable under upgraded RH9 In-Reply-To: <41641C79.6040204@ocsystems.com> References: <41641C79.6040204@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <1097080575.3316.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 12:25 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > [...] I must have some configuration problem. Should I have just done a > clean install (audio was broken after the upgrade, too, but removing the sound > card from the config and rerunning kudzu fixed that). > Although I can't speak with authority, the jump from RHL-9 to FC3-T2 is so large that I would definitely recommend a clean install. You will also more thoroughly test FC3-T2 that way, which is kind of the point, right? May I ask what you did (in slightly greater detail) to fix your sound? Mine doesn't work either. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And this is already been filed in bugzilla. Please try to search for problems in bugzilla as a matter of standard troubleshooting practice. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134806 Another hint as to what is going on can be found by using the yum provides command yum provides /bin/runuser yum provides runuser -jef"typos kill"spaleta From talbotscott at cox.net Wed Oct 6 17:09:49 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:09:49 -0700 Subject: xinitrc 4.0.11-1 is available for testing, which fixes all known and unknown bugs In-Reply-To: <4163F5AB.20302@www.linux.org.uk> References: <4163F5AB.20302@www.linux.org.uk> Message-ID: <1097082589.4409.9.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 09:39 -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > The xinitrc package has underwent a fair number of changes in the > last couple of weeks, as I've passed through all open bug reports > against it in bugzilla. > Thanks for the quick work. Developers don't get near enough credit for their work. > Downside: > - While fixing everything, and cleaning up the package, > I introduced a couple of minor but fatal bugs, which pretty much > everyone, their brother, their dog, and their insurance salesman > will get hit by. > > - People are reporting these 2 bugs without first querying bugzilla > to discover they've both been reported about 10000 times already, > and are fixed internally. ;o) Honestly! I did look. and hard too! :-) Well maybe I could have thought of 1 or two more search terms if i had thought REAL hard. > Thanks for testing Fedora Core development, and riding the edge! ;o) Again, Thanks to you! Scott From akrherz at iastate.edu Wed Oct 6 17:42:11 2004 From: akrherz at iastate.edu (Daryl Herzmann) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:42:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FC3T2: Remote X11 connections not working over SSH Message-ID: Howdy, I upgraded my laptop from FC1 to FC3T2 and can't seem to get remote X11 connections to work over SSH. The remote machines are RHEL WS3 boxen. mylaptop$ ssh -X remotehost remotehost$ echo $DISPLAY localhost:16.0 remotehost$ xclock # We just hang here remotehost$ logout mylaptop$ xhost +remotehost mylaptop$ ssh remotehost remotehost$ setenv DISPLAY mylaptop:0 remotehost$ xclock # Yeah!, I see xclock on my desktop Sooooooo, what the devil am I doing wrong? I have been using SSH-X11 connections for 7 some years now, so I don't think I am doing anything newbie ish? (perhaps I am! :) ) thanks, daryl From mpeters at mac.com Wed Oct 6 17:47:47 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:47:47 -0700 Subject: Rhythmbox spec file In-Reply-To: <1097066914.6670.13.camel@nexus.verbum.private> (from walters@redhat.com on Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 05:48:34 -0700) References: <20041006122235.GC16840@devel.mpeters.us> <1097066914.6670.13.camel@nexus.verbum.private> Message-ID: <20041006174747.GH16840@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/06/2004 05:48:34 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > > How about if we add support for say an /etc/rhythmbox/iradio.d > directory > where you can drop additional initial playlists? That would be great. From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 6 17:49:59 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:49:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FC3T2: Remote X11 connections not working over SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Daryl Herzmann wrote: > Howdy, > > I upgraded my laptop from FC1 to FC3T2 and can't seem to get remote X11 > connections to work over SSH. The remote machines are RHEL WS3 boxen. > > mylaptop$ ssh -X remotehost try: ssh -Y remotehost Change in OpenSSH 3.8/3.9 - and it has come up in the lists a few times. Satish From mknepher at bluethingy.com Wed Oct 6 18:28:48 2004 From: mknepher at bluethingy.com (Michael Knepher) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:28:48 -0700 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097087328.10499.6.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 14:08 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 10:57 -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: > > there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably > > won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. > > > > That really is a shame, since not being able to edit the menus to add > stuff is one of the biggest complaints I hear from moderately-clueful > Windows users who would like to switch. Heck, it's one of *my* biggest > beefs and I've been using Linux for years... Unfortunately, the implementation of the gnome menus is still in flux, and will be undergoing more changes in the near future, so a menu editor has been a low (as in null) priority for those involved in working on the code. What would be nice in the meantime would be if someone could hack together an interface that can parse the xml files for quick-and- dirty editing of the current configuration. Sadly, I don't have the skills to do such a thing. > Now, why aren't the StarOffice and MS Office (DOC/XLS) extensions > associated with the correct program? They were correctly set up in FC2 > and earlier... what changed? I tried to look for the file associations > but for the life of me could not find them. > Not only has the menu system changed in Gnome 2.8, but the mime system has also. To manually associate an application with a filetype, right-click on a file, choose Properties->Open With. If there are no applications listed, click "Add" and navigate to the executable you want to use to open files of that type (this setting affects all files of that type, not just that specific file). You can add multiple applications to the list, which will then appear in the context menu's "Open With ..." entry. This will set the association on the user level. To do it at system level for an application that is installed from binaries and doesn't follow the new mime spec is a bit trickier, and I can't say for certain how to actually go about it, other than to do something like the following: With the new mime system, applications should now include a line like the following in the *.desktop file (taken from redhat- spreadsheet.desktop): MimeType=application/vnd.stardivision.calc;application/vnd.sun.xml.calc;application/vnd.sun.xml.calc.template This line should include all mime-types the application is capable of handling. If you edit the StarOffice *.desktop files to include the appropriate mime types, I believe you should then be able to run (as root): update-desktop-database /path/to/*.desktop/files [i.e., /usr/share/applications] to register the associations. If the mime-type doesn't exist, you'd probably need to look in /usr/share/mime and see if you can create the files you'll need from what's there already. Then you'd need to run update-mime-database /usr/share/mime From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 6 18:31:09 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:31:09 +0200 Subject: FC3T2: Remote X11 connections not working over SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097087469.4111.15.camel@kyrre> Whatis "Y" flag? I have personaly successfully used ssh X11 conections from my fc3t2 computer to the fc2 ones. with the X flag ons, 06.10.2004 kl. 19.49 skrev Satish Balay: > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Daryl Herzmann wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > I upgraded my laptop from FC1 to FC3T2 and can't seem to get remote X11 > > connections to work over SSH. The remote machines are RHEL WS3 boxen. > > > > mylaptop$ ssh -X remotehost > > try: > > ssh -Y remotehost > > Change in OpenSSH 3.8/3.9 - and it has come up in the lists a few > times. > > Satish From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 6 18:35:51 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:35:51 +0200 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions - NumLock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097087751.4111.17.camel@kyrre> *snip* > and IMHO, there are too few things in Gnome that you can configure. :-( > but thats my opinion, and it might not be yours... thats OK. */snip* Such as a way to toggle that NumLock should be ON when you log in? That would be great From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 6 18:38:28 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:38:28 +0200 Subject: Rhythmbox spec file In-Reply-To: <20041006174747.GH16840@devel.mpeters.us> References: <20041006122235.GC16840@devel.mpeters.us> <1097066914.6670.13.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <20041006174747.GH16840@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1097087907.4111.20.camel@kyrre> OGG radio stations... I know they exist. Norwegian NRK "broadcasts" OGG as well as MP3 and WMA - even if they claim that WMA is the only supported format. Worst is that they use WMV. *HATE* that format. Its ugly, poor quality, DRM-infested, closed as hell etc etc. And it got windows in its name. AAARGHGG ons, 06.10.2004 kl. 19.47 skrev Michael A. Peters: > On 10/06/2004 05:48:34 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > > > > > How about if we add support for say an /etc/rhythmbox/iradio.d > > directory > > where you can drop additional initial playlists? > > That would be great. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 6 18:48:17 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:48:17 +0200 Subject: FC3T2 on Inspiron 4100 + ATI - suspend works, resume doesn't In-Reply-To: <1097028531.3217.7.camel@dhcppc2> References: <1097028531.3217.7.camel@dhcppc2> Message-ID: <1097088497.4111.24.camel@kyrre> Hmm that seemd cool. I tried it (on FC2), and it did "stopping active tasks" ====|, and went to sleep. I thought "cool!". And i tried to bring it back, but... *blink on some lamps, including the HD one* *nothing...* Try a gain... BIOS?!? grub? dammit. I *dont* like the evo n600c... Maybe its time i begin filing those nasty kernel-errors i get? hmm... ons, 06.10.2004 kl. 04.08 skrev John Richardson: > > get the computer to suspend with "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep". The > > problem is that it doesn't always come back up correctly. It seems > > like > > about half the time, after I resume, the X11 display has "snow" > > Well, I updated to the latest rawhide. The problem is still > there, but it seems if it happens less frequently. Out of the > last 5 times I did suspend to ram ("echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep") > the only once. > > John > From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 6 19:04:09 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:04:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FC3T2: Remote X11 connections not working over SSH In-Reply-To: <1097087469.4111.15.camel@kyrre> References: <1097087469.4111.15.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Whatis "Y" flag? I have personaly successfully used ssh X11 conections > from my fc3t2 computer to the fc2 ones. with the X flag >From the man page: -Y Enables trusted X11 forwarding. I guess -X is now 'not-trusted' - whatever it means - and is a bit more secure than before (which is now -Y) Satish From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Oct 6 19:19:06 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:19:06 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> On Mit, 2004-10-06 at 08:06 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > What exactly needs to be fixed in the PHP license? Whatever prevents RedHat from shipping php-mysql package for MySQL 4. > Yes, this is the correct procedure. The software you distribute is under > the license included with it. You don't distribute a program that is not > GPL just because its authors say they will GPL it in the near future. Red > Hat Legal also looked over the new license and had some issues with it. Even when the official website of the copyright owner provides a more recent and less restrictive license? I guess this is one of the issues only a judge can decide. > Evidentally, Legal still has some issues with the "exception clause" that > MySQL AB put in to overcome the above issues. Could you please elaborate? If your legal department has a problem with the GNU Public License (GPL) under which MySQL is currently available they probably work for the wrong company. > I'm not a lawyer. You're not a lawyer (probably). You are right, but I guess SuSE, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, Rock Linux and some more do have lawyers and they all come with MySQL 4. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 6 19:41:34 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:41:34 -0600 Subject: FC3T2 on Inspiron 4100 + ATI - suspend works, resume doesn't In-Reply-To: <1097088497.4111.24.camel@kyrre>; from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:48:17PM +0200 References: <1097028531.3217.7.camel@dhcppc2> <1097088497.4111.24.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041006134134.A27569@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:48:17PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Hmm that seemd cool. I tried it (on FC2), and it did "stopping active > tasks" ====|, and went to sleep. I thought "cool!". And i tried to bring > it back, but... *blink on some lamps, including the HD one* *nothing...* > > Try a gain... > > BIOS?!? grub? dammit. I *dont* like the evo n600c... Quite likely USB. A laptop on which I tried that with FC2, and which needs ACPI as APM is way too broken, did not wake up until I added '/sbin/modprobe -r ehci_hcd' into its "go-to-sleep" handler. Making it sleep still totally kills a built-in floppy but this is not a show-stopper in that particular case. Michal From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 19:45:14 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:45:14 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 21:19 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > On Mit, 2004-10-06 at 08:06 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > What exactly needs to be fixed in the PHP license? > > Whatever prevents RedHat from shipping php-mysql package for MySQL 4. That's hardly an answer to "what needs to be fixed." You asserted that php is what needs to be changed. Prove it. > > Yes, this is the correct procedure. The software you distribute is under > > the license included with it. You don't distribute a program that is not > > GPL just because its authors say they will GPL it in the near future. Red > > Hat Legal also looked over the new license and had some issues with it. > > Even when the official website of the copyright owner provides a more > recent and less restrictive license? I guess this is one of the issues > only a judge can decide. Taking someone else's legal advice when they are not a lawyer and not _your_ lawyer is insane and stupid as a basis for legal decisions. Red Hat is a company. Were we to get sued, we may be forced into things much worse than not distributing MySQL. > > Evidentally, Legal still has some issues with the "exception clause" that > > MySQL AB put in to overcome the above issues. > > Could you please elaborate? If your legal department has a problem with > the GNU Public License (GPL) under which MySQL is currently available > they probably work for the wrong company. No, there is not a problem with the GPL. There may (as I understand it) still be an issue with the MySQL AB's _attachment_ of the exception clause. It is no longer a pure GPL license since this part is now there, and therefore you cannot use your current GPL knowledge to defend the current MySQL license. This is not to say it will not be included at some future time, just that its licensing is in flux and not all questions have been answered. Dan From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 20:07:53 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:07:53 -0400 Subject: Rhythmbox spec file In-Reply-To: <1097087907.4111.20.camel@kyrre> References: <20041006122235.GC16840@devel.mpeters.us> <1097066914.6670.13.camel@nexus.verbum.private> <20041006174747.GH16840@devel.mpeters.us> <1097087907.4111.20.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041006200753.GA27066@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 08:38:28PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > OGG radio stations... I know they exist. Norwegian NRK "broadcasts" OGG > as well as MP3 and WMA - even if they claim that WMA is the only > supported format. Worst is that they use WMV. *HATE* that format. Its > ugly, poor quality, DRM-infested, closed as hell etc etc. Virgin Radio in the UK also broadcass in OGG. The Vorbis icecast site has a good list of ogg broadcasters. From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 20:09:37 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:09:37 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041006200937.GB27066@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:19:06PM +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > Evidentally, Legal still has some issues with the "exception clause" that > > MySQL AB put in to overcome the above issues. > > Could you please elaborate? If your legal department has a problem with > the GNU Public License (GPL) under which MySQL is currently available > they probably work for the wrong company. PHP is not GPL compatibly licensed for one so exceptions matter. > > I'm not a lawyer. You're not a lawyer (probably). > > You are right, but I guess SuSE, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, Rock Linux > and some more do have lawyers and they all come with MySQL 4. With the possible exception of SuSE they occupy the "not worth sueing" space. From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 6 20:21:49 2004 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:21:49 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041006202149.GA5353@orient.maison.moi> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 09:19:06PM +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > Whatever prevents RedHat from shipping php-mysql package for MySQL 4. This would require making the PHP license GPL-compatible and, quite frankly, the developers are not interested. > Even when the official website of the copyright owner provides a more > recent and less restrictive license? I guess this is one of the issues Well, websites can change, for one thing. > You are right, but I guess SuSE, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, Rock Linux > and some more do have lawyers and they all come with MySQL 4. SuSe is not an american company (or is it these days?), Gentoo and Rock ship source as their main means of distribution, which lets them off the hook as to what happens when you link the binaires and Debian does not have any laywers that I know of. Emmanuel From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 6 20:49:25 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <3897.12.29.16.103.1097095765.squirrel@whooper.org> Thomas Zehetbauer said: [snip] > > You are right, but I guess SuSE, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, Rock Linux > and some more do have lawyers and they all come with MySQL 4. > Without spending too much time researching it, I picked one: Debian. They don't ship PHP linked against MySQL for (and I assume other non-GPL programs aren't either). Instead they created a library package. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libmysqlclient10 "This package contains a fork of the MySQL client library for use with software that is distributed under a GPL-incompatible license. Because it is based on an older, LGPL version of the official MySQL client library, it may lack features available in the MySQL 4.0 libs. If you are looking for a library for use in a GPL application, or in software which will not be distributed by Debian, you may prefer to use the official library from MySQL AB instead." Same idea, different way to approach it. Red Hat decided to stay with the old version, Debian decided to ship two sets of libraries. -- William Hooper From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Wed Oct 6 21:01:44 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:01:44 -0300 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <20041006202149.GA5353@orient.maison.moi> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041006202149.GA5353@orient.maison.moi> Message-ID: <1097096503.27455.1.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Qua, 2004-10-06 ?s 17:21, Emmanuel Seyman escreveu: > > Whatever prevents RedHat from shipping php-mysql package for MySQL 4. > This would require making the PHP license GPL-compatible and, quite frankly, > the developers are not interested. Hello Emmanuel, could you please elaborate this? I am not a lawyer, and I'm not aware of the implications of php not being gpl... (license texts looks to me like perl code looks to lawyers) -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Oct 6 21:01:03 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:01:03 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> On Mit, 2004-10-06 at 15:45 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > That's hardly an answer to "what needs to be fixed." You asserted that > php is what needs to be changed. Prove it. PHP's license needs to be fixed as it is incompatible with the GPL. > Taking someone else's legal advice when they are not a lawyer and not > _your_ lawyer is insane and stupid as a basis for legal decisions. Red > Hat is a company. Were we to get sued, we may be forced into things > much worse than not distributing MySQL. Not necessarily, firstly every lawyer is still human and therefore prone to err, secondly a lawyer may legally only advice within certain ethic boundaries. > No, there is not a problem with the GPL. There may (as I understand it) > still be an issue with the MySQL AB's _attachment_ of the exception > clause. It is no longer a pure GPL license since this part is now > there, and therefore you cannot use your current GPL knowledge to defend > the current MySQL license. This is not to say it will not be included > at some future time, just that its licensing is in flux and not all > questions have been answered. MySQL 4 was initially released under pure GPL, this is when RedHat came up with the lame excuse that it cannot be included because it conflicts with PHP, this is why MySQL AB later added the FOSS exception. 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I'd hope MySQL and other companies legal people can resolve their concerns but in the mean time a lot of users whom it affects are just migrating and having had MySQL change the licensing rules on them don't trust them any more. > Not necessarily, firstly every lawyer is still human and therefore prone > to err, secondly a lawyer may legally only advice within certain ethic > boundaries. US software, US lawyer, US company, US jurisdiction 8) Alan From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 21:15:57 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:15:57 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097096503.27455.1.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041006202149.GA5353@orient.maison.moi> <1097096503.27455.1.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <20041006211557.GB7048@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:01:44PM -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Hello Emmanuel, could you please elaborate this? I am not a lawyer, and > I'm not aware of the implications of php not being gpl... (license texts > looks to me like perl code looks to lawyers) It gets quite complex because PHP is linked to so much (as with apache) and indeed PHP gets linked to apache. The sum set of licenses should be non conflicting. From bikehead at amberpoint.com Wed Oct 6 21:18:51 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:18:51 -0700 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... Message-ID: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, when I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a frame a second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission problems with the NVIDIA devices. Other than that the game doesn't complain about anything, but display performance is slow. Any comments or suggestions are welcome. -- __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 From bavinic at comcast.net Wed Oct 6 17:36:25 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:36:25 +0000 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <41642D19.2090604@comcast.net> Are you talking about the default nvidia driver? or the one from nvidia.com? I use the nvidia driver from nvidia.com and all my games work great, both native and wine based. I have no problems at all. I believe the nvidia (nv) driver that comes with linux is not the best driver available, it does not ( that I know of) support enhanced graphics, or openGL. of course, i could be wrong. BaVinic Bikehead wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA > driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 > sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, > when I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a > frame a second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! > > I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission problems > with the NVIDIA devices. Other than that the game doesn't complain > about anything, but display performance is slow. > > Any comments or suggestions are welcome. > From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Wed Oct 6 21:44:42 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:44:42 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <20041006211448.GA7048@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041006211448.GA7048@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097099082.4292.29.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 17:14, Alan Cox wrote: [snip] > The PHP authors don't have a problem with that, nor the apache authors nor > a lot of other programmers. It doesn't look like a long term problem. I'd > hope MySQL and other companies legal people can resolve their concerns but > in the mean time a lot of users whom it affects are just migrating and having > had MySQL change the licensing rules on them don't trust them any more. I had a rather long rant that I composed a few weeks ago about this issue but decided not to send it due to the high degree of vitriol in it :-). Basically what my private rant was about was software authors who change their licenses in ways that make it *more difficult* for FOSS developers. The legal phrase 'promissory estoppel' comes to mind, but I know it's not exactly that. Witness XFree86 (and the resulting fork, X.Org), and before that The Open Group's attempt to change X11R6.4 license that caused such an uproar that they had to backpedal, for two such previous examples. I'm disappointed about Spamassassin's change from the GPL, but at least in that case, I can't seen *any* practical or legal problems with the change. People should remember that MySQL AB is also no stranger to initiating litigation (though I have no opinion as to whether they were right or Progress Software was right) and strange interpretations of the GPL. Their strange (and wildly incorrect, IMNSHO) interpretation of the GPL is very likely what made them decide to change the client library license from LGPL to GPL. By their (maybe only old) view, every website that ran on the Roxen web server would have to restrict access to exclude all non-GPLed web browsers. I can't blame people for migrating. Even being the GPL fanatic that I am, I'm considering it myself. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 21:47:13 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:47:13 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:01:03 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > PHP's license needs to be fixed as it is incompatible with the GPL. If this is how you feel, if this is the problem you thing needs to be addressed, you are definitely in the wrong forum. Fedora/Red Hat developers can not 'fix' the php license. If you really believe thats the best way forward, you are definitely in the wrong place to make any constructive progress 'fixing' the problem. The fact that you point this out as the main issue undermines any continued mysql4 advocacy in this forum. All Fedora/Red Hat developers can do is choose to abide by the terms of the licensing agreements or choose to ignore the licensing terms of licenses. If you are advocating that anyone delibrately choose to ignore the terms of licensing agreements that come with each and every open source project, you are advocating the destruction of exactly the freedoms laid down by the GPL. It is VITAL that licensing terms be respected by all parties using the code. And what we have here isn't even a debatable conflict over interpretation as to whether there is a licensing conflict or not. You agree that php license conflicts.... there's no point in continuing to harp on the issues surrounding the mysql re-licensing. -jef"wouldn't it just be easier if from now on, if you want to advocate mysql4 inclusion again in one of the fedora lists, you just reference one of your previous posts in an older thread. You summed up your position succinctly awhile ago in previous threads, so in an effort to save yourself some time i encourage you just to reference previous messages instead of writing new ones. I promise to re-read them...really i do"spaleta -jef" From k04jg02 at kzoo.edu Wed Oct 6 21:48:56 2004 From: k04jg02 at kzoo.edu (dataangel) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:48:56 -0400 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <41646848.80403@kzoo.edu> Harald Hoyer wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > >> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 10:57 -0700, Michael Knepher wrote: >> >> >>> there's still no friendly way to edit the menus, and there probably >>> won't be a GNOME-wide tool until 2.10, if not later. >>> >>> >> >> >> That really is a shame, since not being able to edit the menus to add >> stuff is one of the biggest complaints I hear from moderately-clueful >> Windows users who would like to switch. Heck, it's one of *my* biggest >> beefs and I've been using Linux for years... >> >> >> > What about using KDE? :-) > Why don't Gnome/KDE handle this the way windows does? The start menu is just a normal folder, and the program groups are just normal folders, with normal files inside of them. When you click start it just displays them in a way that's different from when you normally open a folder. This makes a lot more sense to me than wasting development time on a menu designer. From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 21:57:56 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:57:56 -0400 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <41646848.80403@kzoo.edu> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1097006888.5765.9.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <41639E7A.3050206@redhat.com> <41646848.80403@kzoo.edu> Message-ID: <20041006215756.GA29203@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 05:48:56PM -0400, dataangel wrote: > Why don't Gnome/KDE handle this the way windows does? The start menu is > just a normal folder, and the program groups are just normal folders, > with normal files inside of them. When you click start it just displays > them in a way that's different from when you normally open a folder. > This makes a lot more sense to me than wasting development time on a > menu designer. It might be a nice way to present menus but there are a few little corner cases we have to deal with - Menu items for root only - Menu items for one desktop only - Menu item translations - Binding mime types to applications and helpers Not only do you need those bindings for "open.." random file but they also matter for things like Nautilus previews which can be done by helpers provided by other applications (eg movie viewers can generate preview info for theora files). Alan From bikehead at amberpoint.com Wed Oct 6 22:20:58 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:20:58 -0700 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <41642D19.2090604@comcast.net> References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> <41642D19.2090604@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41646FCA.30309@amberpoint.com> I'm talking about the one from nvidia.com ("nvidia"). I'm sure its being used by X since I get the splash screen. __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 Jim Martin wrote: > Are you talking about the default nvidia driver? or the one from > nvidia.com? > > I use the nvidia driver from nvidia.com and all my games work great, > both native and wine based. I have no problems at all. > > I believe the nvidia (nv) driver that comes with linux is not the best > driver available, it does not ( that I know of) support enhanced > graphics, or openGL. of course, i could be wrong. > > BaVinic > > Bikehead wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA >> driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 >> sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, >> when I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a >> frame a second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! >> >> I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission >> problems with the NVIDIA devices. Other than that the game doesn't >> complain about anything, but display performance is slow. >> >> Any comments or suggestions are welcome. >> > From alan at clueserver.org Wed Oct 6 21:27:45 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <41646FCA.30309@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Bikehead wrote: > I'm talking about the one from nvidia.com ("nvidia"). I'm sure its > being used by X since I get the splash screen. If you run glgears from a terminal window, what frame rate does it report? Are there errors in your X server log in /var/log? It sounds like you are not getting hardware acceleration for some reason or another. From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Oct 6 22:46:16 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:46:16 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> On Mit, 2004-10-06 at 17:47 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > If this is how you feel, if this is the problem you thing needs to be > addressed, you are definitely in the wrong forum. Fedora/Red Hat > developers can not 'fix' the php license. I just question RedHat's decision to favor PHP with it's proprietary license over GPL licensed MySQL. > If you are advocating that anyone delibrately choose to ignore the > terms of licensing agreements that come with each and every open > source project, you are advocating the destruction of exactly the > freedoms laid down by the GPL. I advocate the use of a license (GPL) that forces people to contribute their work and I don't like the way RedHat is treating MySQL 4. First they refused to update MySQL because PHP is incompatible with the GPL, so MySQL AB added the FOSS exception. RedHat still refused to update MySQL because the new license was only on their website and not in the distribution. Now there is a new tarball with the FOSS exception inside but still no RedHat RPMs because OF the FOSS exception. I wonder where this is going to lead. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key There's too much blood in my caffeine system. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Oct 6 23:17:25 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:17:25 -0700 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <1097104646.32445.6.camel@CirithUngol> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 14:18 -0700, Bikehead wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA > driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 > sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, when > I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a frame a > second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! I run Q3, UT2k4, UT2k3, Doom3, Enemy Territory, NWN, ArmyOps. ArmyOps being a UT2k3 engine game runs very poorly in comparison to the Windows counterpart, however every other game runs significantly better (smoother average fps, some literally faster fps) in Linux. > I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission problems > with the NVIDIA devices. You should not have to do this, and it can lead to other problems (don't let apps like a game crash while as root, not pretty). Is this system a clean install of FC3t2 or an upgrade from a previous version? I suggest install of the driver by the method I outlined in this FedoraForum post, using the Livna.org package and a custom kernel module. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=106977&postcount=76 The rest of the thread is here, but it is discussing FC2 issues with 4K stacks so much of it does not apply: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1702&page=3 > Other than that the game doesn't complain > about anything, but display performance is slow. The libraries are not configured properly, this performance is sub-par even for a GeF1 card. What hardware to you have? (mobo including chipset and/or model, and video including make/model) > Any comments or suggestions are welcome. > > -- > __o > _-\<,_ Brian > (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 > From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Wed Oct 6 23:19:28 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:19:28 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1097104767.4292.47.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 18:46, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: [snip] > I advocate the use of a license (GPL) that forces people to contribute > their work and I don't like the way RedHat is treating MySQL 4. First > they refused to update MySQL because PHP is incompatible with the GPL, > so MySQL AB added the FOSS exception. Your forgetting one rather significant problem that an interim version of this 'FOSS exception' had: if you invoked the FOSS exception, you were NOT ALLOWED to ship the server. > RedHat still refused to update > MySQL because the new license was only on their website and not in the > distribution. Which was the correct position to take, legally speaking. > Now there is a new tarball with the FOSS exception inside > but still no RedHat RPMs because OF the FOSS exception. Maybe not too little, but definitely too late. That's why Alan Cox said 'probably FC4'. We're just way to far into testing (and even September 10 was way to far into it) to do a major version upgrade of an app. that various components link to. It would be a little difficult to put a MySQL 4 rpm in rawhide now, if MySQL 3 is what is going to be shipped. I suspect that, provided all the legal issues have been worked out (which I think they have been), we will see a MySQL 4 rpm appear in rawhide shortly after the release of FC3. Hang in there. > I wonder where > this is going to lead. And I wonder what your implying, here. Red Hat has a LONG and STRONG history of eliminating non-free (in the FSF/OSI sense) software. The last two pieces, I believe, were Netscape 4.* (ick) and pine. This isn't about choosing between PHP and MySQL. PHP's license isn't ideal (particularly the Zend Engine piece), but it generally meets the standards of at least OSI and is redistributable and modifiable. So is MySQL. But combining the two is (was, really) problematic. Rant as you will about the PHP license, but as has been pointed out before, it'll get you nowhere in this forum. ESPECIALLY with inflammatory remarks such as 'lame excuse', when there were damned good reasons for the decisions. Red Hat has no control over what the PHP developers (or anyone else) choose for a license. And remember that PHP isn't the only piece of software that was problematic in combination with the new MySQL client libs. Patience is virtue. Practice it. MySQL 4 could very well be included in FC4. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From seyman at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 6 23:29:05 2004 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:29:05 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041006232905.GA5629@orient.maison.moi> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:46:16AM +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > I just question RedHat's decision to favor PHP with it's proprietary > license over GPL licensed MySQL. This, OTOH, I can understand. If the MySQL guys want to change their license, fine. Their choice, their decision. But they get to suffer the consequences of the re-licensing. As much as I dislike the idea of MySQL users getting caught in the crossfire (which is pretty myuch what's happenned here), the idea that PHP users should suffer instead is just as bad on some points and worse on a whole lot of others. Emmanuel From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 23:37:22 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:37:22 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:46:16 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > I just question RedHat's decision to favor PHP with it's proprietary > license over GPL licensed MySQL. Such loaded language... are you sure you don't write press releases for Sun? so... every license that isnt gpl compatible is proprietary? That's an interesting interpretation. I guess you have a problem with every single license on OSI's list of licenses that meet OSI' open source definition? Well every one except the GPL. http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ I take it you think the more permissive LGPL shouldn't exist and should never be used? And that it was a mistake that previous mysql releases had client libraries which were released under the more permissive LGPL and thus avoided the conflicts we are seeing now? There was a reason the LGPL was used in the past by mysql, a very specific reason, to make sure the client library had licensing terms permissive enough so that outside projects using different licenses could link against the client library code. This was a calculated move to encourage adoption of mysql as a widely used backend for lots of layered projects regardless of the license those projects were using. If mysql had use the GPL from the outset for their client libraries..we wouldnt have any problems right now, and i would dare say mysql would be enjoying far fewer deployments than it currently does. Mysql has been popular in large part because it could be linked to from other projects under varying licenses. Your arguments fail to ackowledge that LGPL'd mysql client libraries have continued value in deployment specifically because they allow many different projects to access mysql without licensing conflicts. The GPL is MORE restrictive than the LGPL and mysql made the licensing change exactly for that reason. Mysql wants to restrict access to the client libraries as much as possible to encourage people to buy a proprietary license. Its a business model bait and switch, and anyone who was using mysql client library before in a deployment is going to LOSE functionality. > I advocate the use of a license (GPL) that forces people to contribute > their work and I don't like the way RedHat is treating MySQL 4. LGPL exists and in fact mysql client libraries was previous licensed under LGPL to strike a balance. If only mysql had not chosen to encourage wide client library linking by outside projects by choosing to GPL the client libraries instead of using the LGPL...if only. > First > they refused to update MySQL because PHP is incompatible with the GPL, > so MySQL AB added the FOSS exception. Sigh, you aren't qualified to intelligently debate the finer points of the FOSS exception. Shouldn't you take solace in the fact that the right people at Red Hat is engaged on the legal issues so that the legal specifics get worked out to everyone's satification. >RedHat still refused to update > MySQL because the new license was only on their website and not in the > distribution. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Again you aren't qualified to remark as to what counts as a legally binding licensing agreement. >Now there is a new tarball with the FOSS exception inside > but still no RedHat RPMs because OF the FOSS exception. Again you aren't qualifed to remark on the technical details of whether the FOSS exception actual does what is intented, and if its actually workable. Second guessing qualifed legal opinion while easy to do, doesn't move the debate forward. -jef"second and last post on this thread"spaleta From mpeters at mac.com Wed Oct 6 23:40:59 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:40:59 -0700 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <1097104646.32445.6.camel@CirithUngol> (from fedora@andrewfarris.com on Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 16:17:25 -0700) References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> <1097104646.32445.6.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <20041006234059.GE18962@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/06/2004 04:17:25 PM, Andrew Farris wrote: > > > I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission > problems > > with the NVIDIA devices. > > You should not have to do this, and it can lead to other problems > (don't > let apps like a game crash while as root, not pretty). Is this > system > a > clean install of FC3t2 or an upgrade from a previous version? If you really do need to run as root - then probably what you *really* need to do is update /etc/security/console.perms so that pam_console (I think it is pam_console) sets the permissions on those nodes properly at login. If there are extra device nodes nvidia uses that are not part of core, then this may be the case, and the nvidia kernel module %post script should be updated to reflect this. Wouldn't it be nice if Fedora used an embedded database (they already have one for rpm - berkeley db) to store the kind of information in / etc/security/console.perms? That would make modification of that info by packages that need to (tiser kernel module for serial cable ti connection, jack audio connection kit for the mount point of the tempfs, etc.) a lot easier and safer to script. From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 23:41:44 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:41:44 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041006234144.GA3484@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:46:16AM +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > I just question RedHat's decision to favor PHP with it's proprietary > license over GPL licensed MySQL. PHP has an open source/free software license. From Bryan_Frederick at baylor.edu Wed Oct 6 23:12:52 2004 From: Bryan_Frederick at baylor.edu (Frederick, Bryan) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:12:52 -0500 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <41646FCA.30309@amberpoint.com> References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> <41642D19.2090604@comcast.net> <41646FCA.30309@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <1097104372.3855.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> You may have to use the 16k stack kernel... The kernel that comes with FC2 doesn't work real well with the NVIDIA driver. You can get the 16k stack kernel at: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/wlan/full/downloads-fc2-kernel-i686.php You might just try that and see if it helps any. Bryan On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 17:20, Bikehead wrote: > I'm talking about the one from nvidia.com ("nvidia"). I'm sure its > being used by X since I get the splash screen. > > __o > _-\<,_ Brian > (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 > > > > Jim Martin wrote: > > > Are you talking about the default nvidia driver? or the one from > > nvidia.com? > > > > I use the nvidia driver from nvidia.com and all my games work great, > > both native and wine based. I have no problems at all. > > > > I believe the nvidia (nv) driver that comes with linux is not the best > > driver available, it does not ( that I know of) support enhanced > > graphics, or openGL. of course, i could be wrong. > > > > BaVinic > > > > Bikehead wrote: > > > >> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA > >> driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 > >> sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, > >> when I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a > >> frame a second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! > >> > >> I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission > >> problems with the NVIDIA devices. Other than that the game doesn't > >> complain about anything, but display performance is slow. > >> > >> Any comments or suggestions are welcome. > >> > > From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 6 23:58:20 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1386.192.168.0.254.1097107100.squirrel@whooper.org> Thomas Zehetbauer said: > On Mit, 2004-10-06 at 17:47 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> If this is how you feel, if this is the problem you thing needs to be >> addressed, you are definitely in the wrong forum. Fedora/Red Hat >> developers can not 'fix' the php license. > > I just question RedHat's decision to favor PHP with it's proprietary > license over GPL licensed MySQL. So rather than ship both PHP and (an older version) of MySQL, you would have Fedora just ship the new MySQL and no PHP? I'm glad your not making the decisions about what to include. -- William Hooper From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Oct 7 00:10:57 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:10:57 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> Message-ID: <1097107857.4292.53.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 06:51, Jaume Cornad? wrote: > Is there any plan to integrate MySQL 4 in FC3? RHEL already do this... RHEL does? Hmm... va:iadonisi:509) lftp ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS cd ok, cwd=/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS> ls mysql* -rw-r--r-- 6 ftp ftp 12048408 Oct 21 2003 mysql-3.23.58-1.src.rpm lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/os/i386/SRPMS> cd /pub/redhat/linux/beta/nahant/en/AS/i386/SRPMS cd ok, cwd=/pub/redhat/linux/beta/nahant/en/AS/i386/SRPMS lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/beta/nahant/en/AS/i386/SRPMS> ls mysql* -rw-r--r-- 14 ftp ftp 12051584 Jul 06 18:10 mysql-3.23.58-10.src.rpm lftp ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/beta/nahant/en/AS/i386/SRPMS> If you've followed this thread, you probably already know, but MySQL 4 probably won't be in FC3 due mostly to time constraints, but could be in FC4. Probably all depends on RH lawyers at this point. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From gmccague at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 01:11:25 2004 From: gmccague at gmail.com (Gordon McCague) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:11:25 -0700 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Sum Set of Licenses Non-Conflicting? I've been lost in the World of Microsoft for a while but is it possible to arrive at that stage if individual companies are tacking bits and pieces to licenses? It seems a little bit like the U.S. Congress. "Excuse me Sir while I attach this 2 billion dollar defense expenditure to this day care bill." I appreciate that this is probably not a good place for this discussion. Is there a reference location on the web for the GPL? Dummies Guide to the GPL? GPL FAQ? On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:31:03 -0400 (EDT), >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: Alan Cox >>To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases >> >>Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:15:57 -0400 >>Subject: Re: MySQL 4 >> >>On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:01:44PM -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: >>Hello Emmanuel, could you please elaborate this? I am not a lawyer, >>and I'm not aware of the implications of php not being gpl... (license >>texts looks to me like perl code looks to lawyers) > >It gets quite complex because PHP is linked to so much (as with >apache) and indeed PHP gets linked to apache. The sum set of licenses >should be non conflicting. -- Gordon McCague gmccague at gmail.com http://www.gmccague.bc.ca/ p: +12508130027 f: +12508130195 "...a nation that frees itself from doubt and refuses to question its own motives and acts can place the world in peril." (Rose, Jacqueline. "Our Present Disillusionment," Harpers Magazine, 2004 October) From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 7 02:47:10 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:47:10 -0400 Subject: r200, radeon, 810, 830 DRM (why not 830, r200 drivers available?) Message-ID: <4164AE2E.5000704@sbcglobal.net> Being confused as to why there are not drivers for the radeon and 810/5 cards available that do not negatively impact the radeon 7000 7200, etc. I looked up the drivers available at the below website. The seperation looks like a good aproach for graphics controllers that are similar, but need seperate drivers because of interaction from a new driver for an older graphics controller. My main question is if we will see the i830 and r200 seperation of drivers in the next xorg-x11 versions? Jim The websites http://www.freedesktop.org/~dri/snapshots/ http://tlug.up.ac.za/guides/lkcg/drivers_char_drm.html ----------------- excerpts i810 and i830 Intel I810 DRM_I810 Module name: i810 Choose this option if you have an Intel I810 graphics card. If M is selected, the module will be called i810. AGP support is required for this driver to work. Intel 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G DRM_I830 Module name: i830 Choose this option if you have a system that has Intel 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM or 865G integrated graphics. If M is selected, the module will be called i830. AGP support is required for this driver to work. ----------------- excerpt for radeon r200 Note: If you are using a radeon 8500 or higher (8500, 8700, 9000, 9100, 9200, IGP9100, etc.) choose the r200 shapshot, otherwise choose radeon (7000, 7200, 7500, IGP320, IGP340, etc.). -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Oct 7 03:09:40 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:09:40 -0700 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <1097104372.3855.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> <41642D19.2090604@comcast.net> <41646FCA.30309@amberpoint.com> <1097104372.3855.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097118580.32445.13.camel@CirithUngol> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 18:12 -0500, Frederick, Bryan wrote: > You may have to use the 16k stack kernel... The kernel that comes with > FC2 doesn't work real well with the NVIDIA driver. You can get the 16k > stack kernel at: > > http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/wlan/full/downloads-fc2-kernel-i686.php > > You might just try that and see if it helps any. > > Bryan Those kernels should be used when other (wireless) drivers require it, however the nVIDIA driver versions 61xx work with 4K stacks and Register Parameters so these kernels should not be required for the binary driver any more. If driver version 5336 or 5341 is used this kernel would be necessary. (this was talking about the FC3t2 kernel however, so downgrading that significantly really isn't the goal) - Andrew > On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 17:20, Bikehead wrote: > > I'm talking about the one from nvidia.com ("nvidia"). I'm sure its > > being used by X since I get the splash screen. > > > > __o > > _-\<,_ Brian > > (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 > > > > > > > > Jim Martin wrote: > > > > > Are you talking about the default nvidia driver? or the one from > > > nvidia.com? > > > > > > I use the nvidia driver from nvidia.com and all my games work great, > > > both native and wine based. I have no problems at all. > > > > > > I believe the nvidia (nv) driver that comes with linux is not the best > > > driver available, it does not ( that I know of) support enhanced > > > graphics, or openGL. of course, i could be wrong. > > > > > > BaVinic > > > > > > Bikehead wrote: > > > > > >> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA > > >> driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 > > >> sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, > > >> when I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a > > >> frame a second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! > > >> > > >> I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission > > >> problems with the NVIDIA devices. Other than that the game doesn't > > >> complain about anything, but display performance is slow. > > >> > > >> Any comments or suggestions are welcome. > > >> > > > > From gmccague at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 03:38:05 2004 From: gmccague at gmail.com (Gordon McCague) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:38:05 -0700 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: References: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I'm experiencing the following issue when using yum for updates: Resolving Dependencies Processing Dependency: /bin/runuser for package: initscripts Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts I created a symbolic link from /usr/bin/runuser (where it resides) to /bin/runuser but the update still tells me that the utility is not available. I believe runuser is part of the coreutils so I don't see how I can re-install it. Any information is greatly appreciated. -- Gordon McCague gmccague at gmail.com http://www.gmccague.bc.ca/ p: +12508130027 f: +12508130195 "...a nation that frees itself from doubt and refuses to question its own motives and acts can place the world in peril." (Rose, Jacqueline. "Our Present Disillusionment," Harpers Magazine, 2004 October) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 7 03:39:56 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:39:56 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: References: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097120396.30405.19.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 20:38 -0700, Gordon McCague wrote: > I'm experiencing the following issue when using yum for updates: > > Resolving Dependencies > Processing Dependency: /bin/runuser for package: initscripts > Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts > > > I created a symbolic link from /usr/bin/runuser (where it resides) to > /bin/runuser but the update still tells me that the utility is not > available. I believe runuser is part of the coreutils so I don't see > how I can re-install it. Any information is greatly appreciated. > A symlink will not make this information available in the rpmdb and will therefore not make it available to yum. -sv From kewley at caltech.edu Thu Oct 7 03:51:33 2004 From: kewley at caltech.edu (David Kewley) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:51:33 -0700 Subject: /var/spool/mail and new users In-Reply-To: <1096964822.3538.21.camel@datacc> References: <1096964822.3538.21.camel@datacc> Message-ID: <200410062051.33467.kewley@caltech.edu> mike wrote on Tuesday 05 October 2004 01:27: > Does anyone know where it is defined that a new mbox file is created > in /var/spool/mail when a new user is created? > > I use dovecot/exim with maildir and it gets in the way I suspect it's hardcoded into /usr/sbin/useradd -- running strings on that file reveals the string "/var/mail/%s". No mention of 'mail' in the useradd manpage. This is on FC2; you could grab the relevant source rpm to check whether it is indeed hardcoded. David From gmccague at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 04:01:30 2004 From: gmccague at gmail.com (Gordon McCague) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:01:30 -0700 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <1097120396.30405.19.camel@binkley> References: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> <1097120396.30405.19.camel@binkley> Message-ID: I see that there is a coreutils update in the list as well. I will try to apply that before I apply the patch for initscripts. On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:39:56 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 20:38 -0700, Gordon McCague wrote: > > I'm experiencing the following issue when using yum for updates: > > > > Resolving Dependencies > > Processing Dependency: /bin/runuser for package: initscripts > > Finished Dependency Resolution > > Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts > > > > > > I created a symbolic link from /usr/bin/runuser (where it resides) to > > /bin/runuser but the update still tells me that the utility is not > > available. I believe runuser is part of the coreutils so I don't see > > how I can re-install it. Any information is greatly appreciated. > > > > A symlink will not make this information available in the rpmdb and will > therefore not make it available to yum. > > -sv > > -- Gordon McCague gmccague at gmail.com http://www.gmccague.bc.ca/ p: +12508130027 f: +12508130195 "...a nation that frees itself from doubt and refuses to question its own motives and acts can place the world in peril." (Rose, Jacqueline. "Our Present Disillusionment," Harpers Magazine, 2004 October) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 7 04:00:38 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:00:38 -0400 Subject: /var/spool/mail and new users In-Reply-To: <200410062051.33467.kewley@caltech.edu> References: <1096964822.3538.21.camel@datacc> <200410062051.33467.kewley@caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1097121638.30405.21.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 20:51 -0700, David Kewley wrote: > mike wrote on Tuesday 05 October 2004 01:27: > > Does anyone know where it is defined that a new mbox file is created > > in /var/spool/mail when a new user is created? > > > > I use dovecot/exim with maildir and it gets in the way > > I suspect it's hardcoded into /usr/sbin/useradd -- running strings on that > file reveals the string "/var/mail/%s". No mention of 'mail' in the useradd > manpage. > > This is on FC2; you could grab the relevant source rpm to check whether it is > indeed hardcoded. > look in /etc/login.defs -sv From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 06:16:03 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:16:03 +0100 Subject: Latest updates: problem with initscript Message-ID: Anyone else seeing this? Unresolvable chain of dependencies: initscripts 7.87-1 requires /bin/runuser I was able to get and install everything else. From tomduffy at dslextreme.com Thu Oct 7 06:31:44 2004 From: tomduffy at dslextreme.com (tomduffy at dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Latest updates: problem with initscript In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15fa8a34f2ca49430a6fe4a.20041006233144.gbzqhssl@www.dslextreme.com> Eamonn Sullivan > Anyone else seeing this? > Unresolvable chain of dependencies: > initscripts 7.87-1 requires /bin/runuser > > I was able to get and install everything else. Yeah, I see it too. What package provides /bin/runuser? -tduffy From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Thu Oct 7 06:32:12 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:32:12 +0100 Subject: Latest updates: problem with initscript In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097130732.6863.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > Anyone else seeing this? > Unresolvable chain of dependencies: > initscripts 7.87-1 requires /bin/runuser Yep. Reported. Known about. Hopefully be fixed in todays batch. I wish someone would sort out the problem with pam that I reported a while back... TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What on earth possessed you to run a Test Release on a production server, that is under, I would assume, high load? So far, we have had several updates that screw the file systems (kernel), another updated that seriously pooched (at first glance) booting up at all. There are numerous other upgrades that have had more minor problems. You REALLY should have used FC2, and IF, I mean IF you just HAD to have some feature that was available in FC3T1/2/3, then uncomment the development section of YUM, and then run yum install. With any luck there are not too many dependencies. However even this is not ideal. May I suggest, nay, implore you to undoe your foolishness and put a "Stable" system in your production environment. FC3T 1 and 2 have been quite stable on release, BUT during the process of updates and development it can become very unstable (note the problems with file systems and booting). Doug From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Thu Oct 7 07:25:10 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:25:10 +0100 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used > > by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a > > Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man... > > > > I've replaced Windows 2003, for FC3T2... And I'm not complaining.......... > May I just echo the previous two statements and add a barmy to the list? I'll guess at insanity. That or not liking his/her employers. Failing that, a terminal wish to give Linux a really bad name ("let's shove on something in testing, say it's a release then they'll let me do the admin with a mouse instead of this command line stuff") - it could be lots of reasons. I put it down to the give linux a bad name or not liking the employers. TTFN Paul (running a small server using FC2 and a large one running RH9) -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora at warmcat.com Thu Oct 7 08:44:50 2004 From: fedora at warmcat.com (Andy Green) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:44:50 +0100 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <200410070944.54352.fedora@warmcat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 06 October 2004 23:46, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > I advocate the use of a license (GPL) that forces people to contribute > their work and I don't like the way RedHat is treating MySQL 4. First Rehdat folks seem to be saying it's coming shortly if all goes well. In the meanwhile if you really need it (as I did, for fulltext searching) you can download the MySQL4 binaries and install them yourself. It doesn't integrate with starting and stopping as a service, but it works. Then when Redhat make a packaged version, switch to that. It's not like RH are stopping you using MySQL 4. - -Andy - -- http://www.addintelligence.co.uk -- we design custom hardware and software for your products -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZQIGjKeDCxMJCTIRAmXnAJ4/S2aHx7F9AMw94z6uWByyq0awnwCeJvil O8MPnFuIhjJjTuS7ksrCEOc= =gNVN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From w.murray at rl.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 08:52:51 2004 From: w.murray at rl.ac.uk (William John Murray) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:52:51 +0100 Subject: FC3T2: Remote X11 connections not working over SSH In-Reply-To: <20041006202345.996527405C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041006202345.996527405C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097139171.18900.18.camel@heplnw8> Thanks for this guys! I have been using "ssh myhost evolution" with the X11 forwarding turned on in /etc/shh/sshd_config via "X11Forwarding yes". But it has been in untrusted mode on FC3T2, which means no cut and paste. I had assumed it was some bug; sorry! But it does seem odd that I cannot copy and paste from the untrusted window to a local one. The other way round makes more sense... Thanks anyway. Bill > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Daryl Herzmann wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > I upgraded my laptop from FC1 to FC3T2 and can't seem to get remote X11 > > connections to work over SSH. The remote machines are RHEL WS3 boxen. > > > > mylaptop$ ssh -X remotehost > > try: > > ssh -Y remotehost > > Change in OpenSSH 3.8/3.9 - and it has come up in the lists a few > times. > > Satish From joelbryanster at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 09:15:53 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:15:53 -0800 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Overall, we have 15 servers, HP Proliant ML110s, 7 of these servers have FC2, 3 have Windows 2003, and 5 is dedicated for software R&D. The management let me install those on purpose, the management also given me some time to prepare the test releases for me to demonstrate to them FC3, for what would it look like, what would they will be expecting, and will the students be able to accept the changes of the new OS, because they are planning to dual boot XP and FC3 for educational purposes. On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:25:10 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > > Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used > > > by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a > > > Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man... > > > > > > I've replaced Windows 2003, for FC3T2... And I'm not complaining.......... > > May I just echo the previous two statements and add a barmy to the list? > > I'll guess at insanity. That or not liking his/her employers. Failing > that, a terminal wish to give Linux a really bad name ("let's shove on > something in testing, say it's a release then they'll let me do the > admin with a mouse instead of this command line stuff") - it could be > lots of reasons. > > I put it down to the give linux a bad name or not liking the employers. > > TTFN > > Paul > (running a small server using FC2 and a large one running RH9) > -- > Homer: Donut? > Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? > Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 7 09:25:30 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:25:30 +0200 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <41650B8A.6060903@redhat.com> Bikehead wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA > driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 > sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, when > I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a frame a > second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! > > I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission problems > with the NVIDIA devices. Other than that the game doesn't complain > about anything, but display performance is slow. > > Any comments or suggestions are welcome. > If an application dlopens /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.*so* it ends up with the wrong library in your case. Try to remove /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.*so* and retry your game.. From rc040203 at freenet.de Thu Oct 7 09:44:39 2004 From: rc040203 at freenet.de (Ralf Corsepius) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:44:39 +0200 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <41650B8A.6060903@redhat.com> References: <4164613B.3070509@amberpoint.com> <41650B8A.6060903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097142279.17006.3715.camel@mccallum.corsepiu.local> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 11:25, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Bikehead wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using the NVIDIA > > driver undet FC3 using a game. I can use the NVIDIA driver under FC3 > > sync'ed up to the latest rawhide for the normal desktop. However, when > > I use neverwinter nights, FPS performance is very bad: about a frame a > > second. I guess I should be fairly happy it runs at all! > > > > I do have to run the game as root to overcome some permission problems > > with the NVIDIA devices. Other than that the game doesn't complain > > about anything, but display performance is slow. > > > > Any comments or suggestions are welcome. > > > > If an application dlopens /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.*so* it ends up with the wrong library in your case. > Try to remove /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.*so* and retry your game.. Also note this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=126422 Ralf From thomasz at hostmaster.org Thu Oct 7 10:11:39 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:11:39 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> On Mit, 2004-10-06 at 19:37 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I take it you think the more permissive LGPL shouldn't exist and > should never be used? Indeed, the LGPL allows commercial closed source applications to benefit from open source applications without the obligation to contribute anything to the open source community. > Sigh, you aren't qualified to intelligently debate the finer points of > the FOSS exception. And I doubt you are. > Shouldn't you take solace in the fact that the right people at Red Hat > is engaged on the legal issues so that the legal specifics get worked > out to everyone's satification. RedHat has yet failed to argue the specific issues they have with MySQL being GPL licensed. > >RedHat still refused to update > > MySQL because the new license was only on their website and not in the > > distribution. > > Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Again you aren't qualified to > remark as to what counts as a legally binding licensing agreement. And again I doubt that you are. As stated in one of my earlier posts this is very likely a issue only a judge can decide on. > Again you aren't qualifed to remark on the technical details of > whether the FOSS exception actual does what is intented, and if its > actually workable. Correct, but I trust MySQL's lawyers that they have resolved the open source linking issues that have been brought to their attention. At least the MySQL people show some efforts to resolve the issue while RedHat just keeps whining that they have changed the license. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Chaos is the only form of life, order was caused by the Nazis and millions died! - Peter Wenzl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It appears that RedHat is not willing to ship both MySQL4 and PHP so I would rather see the GPL software to be included. I personally would have simply provided a compat-mysql package with the LGPLed 3.x libs and PHP linked against it. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key UNIX is user-friendly ... it's just selective about who it's friends are -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gcarter at aesgi.com Thu Oct 7 10:19:08 2004 From: gcarter at aesgi.com (Gregory G Carter) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 05:19:08 -0500 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> Type: glxinfo |more You should have a line that says at the top that says: "direct rendering: Yes" If it says no, then you have a problem with either an unsupported card or improper agpart support..etc One thing to note, 2.6.9 drm support for X DRI separates the chipset motherboard agp support from the video driver for the card hardware. Presumably to it easier for developers. However, then you have to add agpart load support at startup or directly compile the agpart support into the kernel, which is what I do. -gc alan wrote: >On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Bikehead wrote: > > > >>I'm talking about the one from nvidia.com ("nvidia"). I'm sure its >>being used by X since I get the splash screen. >> >> > >If you run glgears from a terminal window, what frame rate does it report? > >Are there errors in your X server log in /var/log? > >It sounds like you are not getting hardware acceleration for some reason >or another. > > > From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 7 10:24:08 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:24:08 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: References: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041007102408.GA18229@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:11:25PM -0700, Gordon McCague wrote: > Sum Set of Licenses Non-Conflicting? I've been lost in the World of > Microsoft for a while but is it possible to arrive at that stage if > individual companies are tacking bits and pieces to licenses? Actually for the standard licenses it works out very well. Most licenses don't extend beyond the code they cover or don't clash. Thats one reason a lot of people dislike folks inventing new licenses - it complicates the mess and makes reuse harder. > I appreciate that this is probably not a good place for this > discussion. Is there a reference location on the web for the GPL? > Dummies Guide to the GPL? GPL FAQ? www.fsf.org has a guide to free software licenses and compatibility Alan From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Thu Oct 7 10:25:39 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:25:39 -0400 Subject: Latest updates: problem with initscript In-Reply-To: <15fa8a34f2ca49430a6fe4a.20041006233144.gbzqhssl@www.dslextreme.com> References: <15fa8a34f2ca49430a6fe4a.20041006233144.gbzqhssl@www.dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <1097144739.3454.2.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 23:31 -0700, tomduffy at dslextreme.com wrote: > > > Eamonn Sullivan > > Anyone else seeing this? > > Unresolvable chain of dependencies: > > initscripts 7.87-1 requires /bin/runuser > > > > I was able to get and install everything else. > > Yeah, I see it too. What package provides /bin/runuser? > Apparently none, at least as of yesterday's updates... [root at radar0 ~]# rpm -qf /bin/runuser error: file /bin/runuser: No such file or directory [root at radar0 ~]# locate runuser /sbin/runuser /usr/bin/runuser /usr/share/man/man1/runuser.1.gz [root at radar0 ~]# rpm -qf /sbin/runuser coreutils-5.2.1-30 Phil From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Thu Oct 7 10:57:56 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:57:56 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1097146676.4292.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 06:11, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: [snip] > > Shouldn't you take solace in the fact that the right people at Red Hat > > is engaged on the legal issues so that the legal specifics get worked > > out to everyone's satification. > > RedHat has yet failed to argue the specific issues they have with MySQL > being GPL licensed. Several people on this thread most certainly have. You've just chosen to ignore the arguments completely and haven't rebutted them, but instead continued with your trolling. As much as I sometimes enjoy this whack-a-troll sport, I think I'll let go of this troll's tail. I'm getting bored with him it all likely be moot in a couple of weeks, anyhow. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Thu Oct 7 11:12:22 2004 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:12:22 -0400 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> References: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> Message-ID: <41652496.9070606@www.linux.org.uk> Gregory G Carter wrote: > Type: glxinfo |more > > You should have a line that says at the top that says: > > "direct rendering: Yes" > > If it says no, then you have a problem with either an unsupported card > or improper agpart support..etc > > One thing to note, 2.6.9 drm support for X DRI separates the chipset > motherboard agp support from the video driver for the card hardware. > > Presumably to it easier for developers. > > However, then you have to add agpart load support at startup or directly > compile the agpart support into the kernel, which is what I do. If you are using Nvidia hardware, you need Nvidia's proprietary drivers, which provide similar functionality for their hardware to what DRI/DRM provides for ATI and other hardware. Nvidia does not use DRI/DRM in their drivers however, so DRI will never show up as enabled when using Nvidia hardware. Hope this helps. From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 7 11:35:45 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:35:45 -0400 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> joelbryan wrote: > Overall, we have 15 servers, HP Proliant ML110s, > 7 of these servers have FC2, 3 have Windows 2003, and 5 is dedicated > for software R&D. > > The management let me install those on purpose, the management also > given me some time to prepare the test releases for me to demonstrate > to them FC3, for what would it look like, what would they will be > expecting, and will the students be able to accept the changes of the > new OS, because they are planning to dual boot XP and FC3 for > educational purposes. > > If no one attempted testing in a production environment, bugs caused by high loads or corporate use would probably go undetected and propegate to the final release. On the bad side is possible data loss or corruption or downing a company from functioning. (True live ops would not be wise) I would not suggest production use of test releases, but simulated tests in production-like conditions seems fair practice to me. Jim -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From cmadams at hiwaay.net Thu Oct 7 14:40:15 2004 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:40:15 -0500 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, Thomas Zehetbauer said: > RedHat has yet failed to argue the specific issues they have with MySQL > being GPL licensed. Wrong. It has been stated many times in many places the exact problem. You apparently are choosing to ignore that. The specific issue is that the Open Source license that PHP is released under is incompatible with the GNU GPL. Since PHP is widely used and is widely used to talk to MySQL via php-mysql, php-mysql is a required package. The only way to follow all appropriate licenses is to link php-mysql against the LGPL licensed MySQL, version 3.23. The GPL is incompatible with several Open Source licenses (such as the original BSD license that is still widely used by other software). For most software, this isn't a problem because most programs aren't directly linked together. For libraries, you have to pay attention. > > Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Again you aren't qualified to > > remark as to what counts as a legally binding licensing agreement. > > And again I doubt that you are. As stated in one of my earlier posts > this is very likely a issue only a judge can decide on. You download a source tarball. It has a file that states the license. How can it get any clearer? If MySQL AB wants to release the source under a new license, they build a new tarball with a new license. > Correct, but I trust MySQL's lawyers that they have resolved the open > source linking issues that have been brought to their attention. At > least the MySQL people show some efforts to resolve the issue while > RedHat just keeps whining that they have changed the license. And who do you think is talking with MySQL's lawyers to try to get this resolved? BTW it is "Red Hat" (two words). MySQL AB is not the good guy here in any case. They have their own weird interpretations of the GNU GPL. They used to offer a great database under the GPL and allow anyone to use it (since the interface library was under the LGPL), but they wanted to charge for "commercial" use. Since there was no way to enforce that, they decided to change the license on the interface library to the GPL, so that any distributed code that even talked to their database server would fall under the GPL unless the distributor bought a non-GPL license. Under their new license, if I take perl code that uses the DBI module to talk to a PostgreSQL (or Oracle, etc.) database (but talks "generic" SQL) and change the connect string to talk to a MySQL 4.0 or later database, my code now falls under the GPL. No other database vendor tries to make that claim to my knowledge. We use MySQL in a web-hosting environment. There's no way we'll upgrade to anything later than 3.23, as any customer writing a program to talk to the database would have to be aware that their code would fall under the GPL if they distribute it. When we decide to make a change, it will probably be to PostgreSQL or something else, not MySQL 4.0 or later. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From ksnider at flarn.com Thu Oct 7 14:49:14 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:49:14 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> Chris Adams wrote: > We use MySQL in a web-hosting environment. There's no way we'll upgrade to > anything later than 3.23, as any customer writing a program to talk to the > database would have to be aware that their code would fall under the GPL if > they distribute it. When we decide to make a change, it will probably be > to PostgreSQL or something else, not MySQL 4.0 or later. Just one small clarification. You can still connect to MySQL via a Unix Socket or TCP without worrying about the GPL-ness of the libraries - this only affects *compiled* code that links against libmysql. This is one of the reasons a separate package with the 3.x mysql libs might make sense from a linking standpoint, but I'd bet there'd be an issue with using them against a 4.x MySQL. -- Ken Snider From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 7 15:08:37 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:08:37 -0400 Subject: eclipse working for anyone? Message-ID: Here's what I get: ls -l /etc/alternatives/javac lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Oct 7 10:23 /etc/alternatives/javac -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj/bin/javac ./eclipse JVM terminated. Exit code=1 /usr/bin/java -cp /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./startup.jar org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86 -showsplash /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./eclipse -showsplash 600 -exitdata /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./eclipse -exitdata 1d08001 -vm /usr/bin/java -vmargs -cp /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./startup.jar org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main From royab at bc.edu Thu Oct 7 15:38:32 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:38:32 -0400 Subject: eclipse working for anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416562F8.8000001@bc.edu> I could make it work using eclipse -vm /opt/jdk1.5/bin/java (substitute your own path for java). Amitabha Neal D. Becker wrote: >Here's what I get: >ls -l /etc/alternatives/javac >lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Oct 7 10:23 /etc/alternatives/javac >-> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.4.2-gcj/bin/javac > >./eclipse >JVM terminated. Exit code=1 >/usr/bin/java >-cp /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./startup.jar org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main >-os linux >-ws gtk >-arch x86 >-showsplash /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./eclipse -showsplash 600 >-exitdata /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./eclipse -exitdata 1d08001 >-vm /usr/bin/java >-vmargs >-cp /disk1/nbecker/eclipse/./startup.jar org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main > > > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 7 16:13:03 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:13:03 -0600 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 07:35 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > If no one attempted testing in a production environment, bugs caused by > high loads or corporate use would probably go undetected and propegate > to the final release. > Entirely correct. > On the bad side is possible data loss or corruption or downing a company > from functioning. (True live ops would not be wise) > > I would not suggest production use of test releases, but simulated tests > in production-like conditions seems fair practice to me. > However, allow me to quote from joelbryan's first post: "Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man..." That sounds like "true live ops" to me, not "simulated tests in production-like conditions" or "software R&D". Installing a test release to show management what it looks like is great... putting 3,000 client boxes behind it and depending on it for critical services is just stupid. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How can I tell if agpart is used/needed? Is it a module that needs loading? Do I have to recompile the kernel? Thanks again for any help. [xxx] glxgears -display localhost:0 -v -info Window x=0, y=0, width=300, height=300 GL_MAX_VIEWPORT_DIMS=4096/4096 GL_RENDERER = GeForce4 440 Go/AGP/SSE2 GL_VERSION = 1.5.1 NVIDIA 61.11 GL_VENDOR = NVIDIA Corporation GL_EXTENSIONS = GL_ARB_imaging GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_sprite GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_ARB_transpose_matrix GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_ARB_window_pos GL_S3_s3tc GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_draw_range_elements GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_paletted_texture GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_rescale_normal GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_EXT_texture_cube_map GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3 GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_texture_lod GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_NV_blend_square GL_NV_fence GL_NV_fog_distance GL_NV_light_max_exponent GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil GL_NV_pixel_data_range GL_NV_point_sprite GL_NV_register_combiners GL_NV_texgen_reflection GL_NV_texture_env_combine4 GL_NV_texture_rectangle GL_NV_vertex_array_range GL_NV_vertex_array_range2 GL_NV_vertex_program GL_NV_vertex_program1_1 GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap GL_SGIS_multitexture GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SUN_slice_accum 31580 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6316.000 FPS 34932 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6986.400 FPS 34902 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6980.400 FPS glxinfo -display localhost:0 | more name of display: localhost:0.0 display: localhost:0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.3 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation client glx version string: 1.3 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_NV_float_buffer GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 440 Go/AGP/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 1.5.1 NVIDIA 61.11 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_paletted_texture, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_fence, GL_NV_fog_distance, GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_register_combiners, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_NV_vertex_array_range, GL_NV_vertex_array_range2, GL_NV_vertex_program, GL_NV_vertex_program1_1, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_multitexture, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SUN_slice_accum glu version: 1.3 glu extensions: GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0x21 16 tc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x22 16 dc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x23 16 tc 0 16 0 r . . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x24 16 tc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x25 16 tc 0 16 0 r . . 5 6 5 0 0 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x26 16 dc 0 16 0 r . . 5 6 5 0 0 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x27 16 dc 0 16 0 r y . 5 6 5 0 0 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None 0x28 16 dc 0 16 0 r . . 5 6 5 0 0 0 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 None __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 Gregory G Carter wrote: > Type: glxinfo |more > > You should have a line that says at the top that says: > > "direct rendering: Yes" > > If it says no, then you have a problem with either an unsupported card > or improper agpart support..etc > > One thing to note, 2.6.9 drm support for X DRI separates the chipset > motherboard agp support from the video driver for the card hardware. > > Presumably to it easier for developers. > > However, then you have to add agpart load support at startup or > directly compile the agpart support into the kernel, which is what I do. > > -gc > > alan wrote: > >> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Bikehead wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm talking about the one from nvidia.com ("nvidia"). I'm sure its >>> being used by X since I get the splash screen. >>> >> >> >> If you run glgears from a terminal window, what frame rate does it >> report? >> >> Are there errors in your X server log in /var/log? >> >> It sounds like you are not getting hardware acceleration for some >> reason or another. >> >> >> > From t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de Thu Oct 7 17:10:06 2004 From: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de (Thomas Liesner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:10:06 +0200 Subject: grub broken after FTP-Update from fc2 to fc3t2 Message-ID: <4165786E.8060903@creativ-consulting.de> Hi all, after an FTP-installation of fc3t2 on a fc2 machine my grub-config got broken and only shows the entry for the Win-Partition on the HDD. The original grub.conf has been overwritten and not saved. Does this make any sense in an upgrade-installation? ./Tom -- Thomas Liesner - c/o Creativ Consulting GmbH, Ratingen Email: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de PGP Fingerprint: 7B6B 8364 D205 0FA2 8753 AEE0 70B7 AB3A 06B5 F368 PGP Public Key: http://www.creativ-consulting.de/keys From chambery at suppressingfire.org Thu Oct 7 17:18:00 2004 From: chambery at suppressingfire.org (Todd Chambery) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: grub broken after FTP-Update from fc2 to fc3t2 In-Reply-To: <4165786E.8060903@creativ-consulting.de> References: <4165786E.8060903@creativ-consulting.de> Message-ID: <41657A48.2000105@suppressingfire.org> Tom, I had the same experience. Being a bit of novice, I re-installed with a clean install (after which grub was configured correctly). Todd Thomas Liesner wrote: > Hi all, > > after an FTP-installation of fc3t2 on a fc2 machine my grub-config got > broken and only shows the entry for the Win-Partition on the HDD. > The original grub.conf has been overwritten and not saved. Does this > make any sense in an upgrade-installation? > > ./Tom From t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de Thu Oct 7 17:24:30 2004 From: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de (Thomas Liesner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:24:30 +0200 Subject: grub broken after FTP-Update from fc2 to fc3t2 In-Reply-To: <41657A48.2000105@suppressingfire.org> References: <4165786E.8060903@creativ-consulting.de> <41657A48.2000105@suppressingfire.org> Message-ID: <41657BCE.2090104@creativ-consulting.de> Todd Chambery schrieb: > Tom, > > I had the same experience. Being a bit of novice, I re-installed with a > clean install (after which grub was configured correctly). > > Todd I just used my old grub.conf and changed the kernel-version. My hardware wasn't changed anyway. This is why it doesn't make any sense to me. An upgrade-installation should not alter config-files without need and backups IMHO. ./Tom -- Thomas Liesner - c/o Creativ Consulting GmbH, Ratingen Email: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de PGP Fingerprint: 7B6B 8364 D205 0FA2 8753 AEE0 70B7 AB3A 06B5 F368 PGP Public Key: http://www.creativ-consulting.de/keys From cmadams at hiwaay.net Thu Oct 7 17:56:59 2004 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:56:59 -0500 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> References: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> Message-ID: <20041007175659.GI1411660@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, Ken Snider said: > Just one small clarification. > > You can still connect to MySQL via a Unix Socket or TCP without worrying > about the GPL-ness of the libraries - this only affects *compiled* code > that links against libmysql. But _something_ has to talk the MySQL protocol over that socket. Right now, the only implementations commonly available are licensed under the GPL (and AFAIK the protocol is not documented except in the source, and they do change it with new versions). If I have a perl program that uses the DBI module, it would use DBD::mysql, which in turn is linked against libmysqlclient; my code is then linked to libmysqlclient and falls under the GPL. Most code I write I put under the GPL, but that's me. We have customers that write their own code (or pay someone to write code for them) that may not want to do that. > This is one of the reasons a separate package with the 3.x mysql libs might > make sense from a linking standpoint, but I'd bet there'd be an issue with > using them against a 4.x MySQL. The MySQL documentation recommends you always upgrade the client library at the same time as the server. If someone really cared and had the time and manpower, they could (a) have someone document the protocol differences between 3.23 and newer versions of MySQL by reading the source code and then (b) have someone else modify the libmysqlclient from 3.23 to handle such changes. Then you'd have an LGPLed client library (as well as a documented protocol specification). Don't get me wrong: it is MySQL AB's code and they are free to put it under whatever license they want. However, I'm free to choose another database server when I have a chance. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From johnbs at tele2.fr Thu Oct 7 17:56:07 2004 From: johnbs at tele2.fr (john brennan-sardou) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:56:07 +0200 Subject: to fedora or not to fedora that is the question Message-ID: <41658337.4010404@tele2.fr> hello all, I know I am going to be flame downed, cut into to little pieces even bits but as I am really impressed by fedora having used it since the beginning ( and found that fedora 3 test 2 works well on my curious box) may I ask the right in the guts question" when do you think that the version fedora 3 will be out and about? " Having sung the song for linux for years and fedora for quite a while when will I be able to say to my collegues in the french education system shut your mouths and get down to a bit of real work? john brennan-sardou From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 7 18:03:42 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:03:42 -0400 Subject: to fedora or not to fedora that is the question In-Reply-To: <41658337.4010404@tele2.fr> References: <41658337.4010404@tele2.fr> Message-ID: <1097172222.18178.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 13:56, john brennan-sardou wrote: > hello all, > I know I am going to be flame downed, cut into to little pieces even > bits but as I am really impressed by fedora having used it since the > beginning ( and found that fedora 3 test 2 works well on my curious box) > may I ask the right in the guts question" when do you think that the > version fedora 3 will be out and about? " http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ -sv From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Oct 7 19:06:10 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:06:10 +0100 Subject: Yum error with "runuser" not found Message-ID: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> When she is good, she is very, very good But when she is bad, she is awful. That is what I feel about yum. If it works it is great. But if it doesn't work there usually seems to be nothing you can do about it, eg the current message ======================================= Restarting Dependency Process with new changes Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts ======================================= What is one meant to do when you get this error message? Could one remove the initscripts header file? Is there any way to ask yum just to forget about initscripts, and install whatever it can install? Why does it bomb out when it cannot install one package? Could the error messages put out by yum not be a little more helpful, and suggest what action the user might take? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 7 19:10:08 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:10:08 -0400 Subject: Yum error with "runuser" not found In-Reply-To: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1097176207.18178.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 15:06, Timothy Murphy wrote: > When she is good, she is very, very good > But when she is bad, she is awful. > > That is what I feel about yum. > If it works it is great. > But if it doesn't work there usually seems to be nothing you can do about it, > eg the current message > > ======================================= > Restarting Dependency Process with new changes > Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts > ======================================= > > What is one meant to do when you get this error message? > > Could one remove the initscripts header file? > Is there any way to ask yum just to forget about initscripts, > and install whatever it can install? You could read the man page and learn about the --exclude option for the command line. > Why does it bomb out when it cannot install one package? b/c a portion of the transaction has failed, thus the transaction has failed. > Could the error messages put out by yum not be a little more helpful, > and suggest what action the user might take? possibly. -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 19:16:58 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:16:58 -0400 Subject: Yum error with "runuser" not found In-Reply-To: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <604aa7910410071216539e6956@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:06:10 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > When she is good, she is very, very good > But when she is bad, she is awful. > > That is what I feel about yum. > If it works it is great. > But if it doesn't work there usually seems to be nothing you can do about it, > eg the current message > > ======================================= > Restarting Dependency Process with new changes > Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts > ======================================= > > What is one meant to do when you get this error message? It means there is a REAL packaging bug in the the initscript package you tried to update. This specific example is NOT a yum problem.. it is a packaging problem in that version of the initscripts package.... /bin/runuser doesnt exist /sbin/runuser exists... but initscript package is explictly demanding that the rpm database have the /bin/runuser file in place as a requirement for package installation. > Is there any way to ask yum just to forget about initscripts, > and install whatever it can install? Yes you rerun yum using --exclude and try again. > Could the error messages put out by yum not be a little more helpful, > and suggest what action the user might take? Suggesting an action...suggests there is a correct course of action. There isn't, there isn't one correct course of action. When a REAL packaging dependancy problems shows up, a local decision has to be made by the administrator as to what to do about it. Is excluding that package the right thing to do and retrying the rest of the updates... not necessarily, it depends. -jef From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 7 19:35:14 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:35:14 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: References: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041007193514.GA4742@rednote.net> Gordon McCague writes: > > I appreciate that this is probably not a good place for this > discussion. Is there a reference location on the web for the GPL? > Dummies Guide to the GPL? GPL FAQ? My favorite spot: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ Janina From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 7 19:37:12 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:37:12 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: References: <20041006233103.E1E9F74D9B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041007193712.GB4742@rednote.net> Gordon McCague writes: > I'm experiencing the following issue when using yum for updates: > > Resolving Dependencies > Processing Dependency: /bin/runuser for package: initscripts > Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts > > > I created a symbolic link from /usr/bin/runuser (where it resides) to > /bin/runuser but the update still tells me that the utility is not > available. I believe runuser is part of the coreutils so I don't see > how I can re-install it. Any information is greatly appreciated. > > -- > Gordon McCague gmccague at gmail.com > http://www.gmccague.bc.ca/ > p: +12508130027 f: +12508130195 > > "...a nation that frees itself from doubt and refuses to question its > own motives and acts can place the world in peril." > (Rose, Jacqueline. "Our Present Disillusionment," Harpers Magazine, > 2004 October) > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Yes, I saw this as well. My solution was to --exclude the initscripts -- at least for the first run through, then go and do the initscripts rpm by hand. Turns out runuser is in /sbin and not /bin. Seems someone's typing finger slipped? Is it initscripts or coreutils that needs th fix? -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 From janina at rednote.net Thu Oct 7 19:47:11 2004 From: janina at rednote.net (Janina Sajka) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:47:11 -0400 Subject: Yum & RPM: Recovering from a crash Message-ID: <20041007194711.GC4742@rednote.net> RPM Update: Cleaning up from the crash Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 2.6.8-1.541.rootsmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html I was in the middle of a massive 'yum update' when the process simply hung. It just sat and sat, with about 1,000 rpm packages in and some 300 to go. Yes, this was perhaps an abuse of yum--I realize using yum to go from 2 to test 2.91 is unsupported. But, is it possible this could happen in another circumstance when many packages are to be updated? What's the correct response when this does happen. I'm pleased to say that we recovered by manhandling rpm to --nodeps remove a few packages that prevented subsequent update, then putting them back. Things seem mostly OK now, except that there are a significant number of multiple rpm versions in the rpm db. Indeed, rpm's cleanup didn't really have a chance to run. Rather than trying to clean up the dups by hand, is there some other way? Is there some tmp file that maintains the clean data that should have been set aside? Any thoughts on this most welcome. -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina at freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 From tjikkun at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 7 19:49:46 2004 From: tjikkun at xs4all.nl (Sander Hoentjen) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:49:46 +0200 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <41657594.5030600@amberpoint.com> References: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> <41657594.5030600@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <1097178588.32171.3.camel@CC256006-A> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:57 -0700, Bikehead wrote: > So based on comments from this forum I > > * ran glxgears with verbose output and got the output after this > message. It appears that NVIDIA is being used and I'm getting over 6000 > fps which seems good. > > * ran glxinfo and direct render is "yes". The output is below. > > However, neverwinter nights still runs very slow on the main game screen > even with the resolution and display attributes set to the bare > minimum. I'm going to try another game, but rawhide seems to not have > my two standards anymore: chromium or tuxracer. bzflag is in rawhide now, it is a game that requires 3D acceleration as well. From thomasz at hostmaster.org Thu Oct 7 19:51:00 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:51:00 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <1097178660.4600.21.camel@hostmaster.org> On Don, 2004-10-07 at 09:40 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Wrong. It has been stated many times in many places the exact problem. > You apparently are choosing to ignore that. The specific issue is that > the Open Source license that PHP is released under is incompatible with > the GNU GPL. MySQL claims to have resolved this issue with the FOSS exception, but there is still no MySQL4 in RedHat. > Since PHP is widely used and is widely used to talk to MySQL via php- > mysql, php-mysql is a required package. The only way to follow all > appropriate licenses is to link php-mysql against the LGPL licensed > MySQL, version 3.23. As Debian has shown this doesn't prevent one from shipping and using MySQL4. > You download a source tarball. It has a file that states the license. > How can it get any clearer? If MySQL AB wants to release the source > under a new license, they build a new tarball with a new license. The tarballs are version specific and remain unchanged once a version has been released. I trust MySQL that they would not sue anyone for linking with PHP, especially after they have released the FOSS exception and I very much doubt that they could even succeed. > And who do you think is talking with MySQL's lawyers to try to get this > resolved? BTW it is "Red Hat" (two words). I am sure that MySQL has received their share of protest from the community, but in contrast to RedHat they have worked towards a solution. I refrain from commenting on your absurd nightmares. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Why do you call your dog 1234? My admin told me not to name my password after my dog. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 7 20:03:20 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:03:20 -0400 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <1097178588.32171.3.camel@CC256006-A> References: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> <41657594.5030600@amberpoint.com> <1097178588.32171.3.camel@CC256006-A> Message-ID: <20041007200320.GA3352@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:49:46PM +0200, Sander Hoentjen wrote: > > even with the resolution and display attributes set to the bare > > minimum. I'm going to try another game, but rawhide seems to not have > > my two standards anymore: chromium or tuxracer. > > bzflag is in rawhide now, it is a game that requires 3D acceleration as > well. bzflag tries to be smart, it should be playable without 3D acceleration on decent systems. With hardware 3D you'll see textures, lighting etc, in software it'll look like a bad amiga game. From m.a.young at durham.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 20:11:06 2004 From: m.a.young at durham.ac.uk (M A Young) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:11:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Yum error with "runuser" not found In-Reply-To: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Timothy Murphy wrote: > But if it doesn't work there usually seems to be nothing you can do about it, > eg the current message > > ======================================= > Restarting Dependency Process with new changes > Error: missing dep: /bin/runuser for pkg initscripts > ======================================= > > What is one meant to do when you get this error message? If this happens it means either there is something you have to fix yourself (eg. if you have installed 3rd party RPMS) or the packages themselves are broken. In the test environment it is quite often the latter. In this case you check the mailing lists and bugzilla (http://bugzilla.redhat.com/) to see if anyone else is seeing the same problem, report it in bugzilla if it isn't already there, then wait for it to be fixed (or if you are a good enough hacker, work out what the fix should be and add it to the bugzilla report). In this particular case the coreutils package moved /bin/runuser to /sbin/runuser recently, and initscripts hadn't quite caught up, but the dependency is fixed in the very latest version of initscripts (7.88-1). Michael Young From jmorris at beau.org Thu Oct 7 20:38:41 2004 From: jmorris at beau.org (John Morris) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:38:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Ken Snider wrote: > You can still connect to MySQL via a Unix Socket or TCP without worrying about > the GPL-ness of the libraries - this only affects *compiled* code that links > against libmysql. > > This is one of the reasons a separate package with the 3.x mysql libs might > make sense from a linking standpoint, but I'd bet there'd be an issue with > using them against a 4.x MySQL. And I'd say that just the fact that this sort of discussion is still happening, i.e. just what is/is not allowed re MySQL4 is reason enough to leave it out of any stable release until it sorts itself out. It is hard enough to get buyin on a Free Software based project in many corporate environments, intentionally walking into a legal minefield sure wouldn't make those types feel safe. Factor in MySQL AB's proven record for lawyering up, their obvious intention to milk cash from the license change and you have a recipe for well justified FUD. Without the linkages to PHP, few will even care about the presence of MySQL and that is heart of the problem. RH would be daft to leave out PHP in favor of MySQL because besides not solving anything, MySQL isn't even RH's preferred database solution. RHDB (aka PostgreSQL) has no license problems with PHP. In the end, MySQL AB changed their license and it is their burden to deal with the consequences of that action unless enough peeps find the new license terms unworkable, then perhaps the XFree86 example will prove instructive. -- John M. http://www.beau.org/~jmorris This post is 100% M$ Free! Geekcode 3.1:GCS C+++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ W++ w--- Y++ b++ 5+++ R tv- e* r From mcleodg at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 20:41:48 2004 From: mcleodg at gmail.com (Gord McLeod) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:41:48 -0400 Subject: Yum error Message-ID: I'm trying to update my system and I've got the following error coming up at this point: Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=======================| 7.6 kB 05:01 developmen: 18/3423//var/cache/yum/development/primary.xml.gz:1017: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document dos ^ (the caret is pointing at the end of the word dos, not sure if the font is going to make that match up properly or not.) Any suggestions on what I should do to fix this? (I'm running FC3T2.) -- ========================= Gordon S. McLeod mcleodg at octobersfools.ca mcleodg at gmail.com gordon.mcleod at my.iadt.ca From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 7 20:45:39 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:45:39 -0400 Subject: Yum error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097181938.18178.43.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:41, Gord McLeod wrote: > I'm trying to update my system and I've got the following error coming > up at this point: > > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=======================| 7.6 kB 05:01 > developmen: > 18/3423//var/cache/yum/development/primary.xml.gz:1017: parser > error : Extra content at the end of the document > dos > ^ > > (the caret is pointing at the end of the word dos, not sure if the > font is going to make that match up properly or not.) > > Any suggestions on what I should do to fix this? > (I'm running FC3T2.) > update yum to at least 2.1.5. -sv From joelbryanster at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 20:38:02 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:38:02 -0700 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: The topic was about abandoning the test release.. I just thought that I might encourage him to volunteer if I say my anecdotes as a network engineer. Call me a jackass, but I'm eager to report bugs, and I really believe in this project. So far, 1 got crushed on yum, so I've disabled updates service on the remaining 4, I say this was a solid test release, and quite stable, this was the 4th day running FC3T2, my only complain on FC2 (two) and FC3T2 is that the ARP was stored on kernel space.. both doesn't have arpd installed, I get "Neighbour overflow" everyday message on tty1, IPv6 was still enabled by default, but I've never seen any pc running on IPv6, and still the ~/Templates/ directory doesn't have contents on it. Files copied from a CD where automatically set as Read-Only, then I've deleted it, and when I emptied the Trash, it displays a message saying, "You don't have any permission to delete the files .................................................................................................................................................000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 " On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:13:03 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 07:35 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > If no one attempted testing in a production environment, bugs caused by > > high loads or corporate use would probably go undetected and propegate > > to the final release. > > > > Entirely correct. > > > On the bad side is possible data loss or corruption or downing a company > > from functioning. (True live ops would not be wise) > > > > I would not suggest production use of test releases, but simulated tests > > in production-like conditions seems fair practice to me. > > > > However, allow me to quote from joelbryan's first post: > > "Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used > by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a > Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man..." > > That sounds like "true live ops" to me, not "simulated tests in > production-like conditions" or "software R&D". Installing a test release > to show management what it looks like is great... putting 3,000 client > boxes behind it and depending on it for critical services is just > stupid. > > Cheers, > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From gcarter at aesgi.com Thu Oct 7 20:50:55 2004 From: gcarter at aesgi.com (Gregory G Carter) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:50:55 -0500 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4165AC2F.7050208@aesgi.com> What consequences? Took me about 3 hours to migrate everything I have to PostGRES. :-) -gc John Morris wrote: >On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Ken Snider wrote: > > > >>You can still connect to MySQL via a Unix Socket or TCP without worrying about >>the GPL-ness of the libraries - this only affects *compiled* code that links >>against libmysql. >> >>This is one of the reasons a separate package with the 3.x mysql libs might >>make sense from a linking standpoint, but I'd bet there'd be an issue with >>using them against a 4.x MySQL. >> >> > >And I'd say that just the fact that this sort of discussion is still >happening, i.e. just what is/is not allowed re MySQL4 is reason enough to >leave it out of any stable release until it sorts itself out. It is hard >enough to get buyin on a Free Software based project in many corporate >environments, intentionally walking into a legal minefield sure wouldn't >make those types feel safe. Factor in MySQL AB's proven record for >lawyering up, their obvious intention to milk cash from the license change >and you have a recipe for well justified FUD. > >Without the linkages to PHP, few will even care about the presence of >MySQL and that is heart of the problem. RH would be daft to leave out PHP >in favor of MySQL because besides not solving anything, MySQL isn't even >RH's preferred database solution. RHDB (aka PostgreSQL) has no license >problems with PHP. > >In the end, MySQL AB changed their license and it is their burden to deal >with the consequences of that action unless enough peeps find the new >license terms unworkable, then perhaps the XFree86 example will prove >instructive. > > > From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 7 20:49:26 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:49:26 -0400 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041007204926.GA28985@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 01:38:02PM -0700, joelbryan wrote: > FC3T2 is that the ARP was stored on kernel space.. both doesn't have > arpd installed, I get "Neighbour overflow" everyday message on tty1, > IPv6 was still enabled by default, but I've never seen any pc running You can configure this - are you running something crazy and unversitylike such as a switched class B ? From mcleodg at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 21:00:49 2004 From: mcleodg at gmail.com (Gord McLeod) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:00:49 -0400 Subject: Yum error In-Reply-To: <1097181938.18178.43.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1097181938.18178.43.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: Once I get it working well enough to do that, I will. Thanks! I know there are other update utilities as well, so I'll try those if I can't get yum itself functioning well enough to upgrade itself. On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:45:39 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > Any suggestions on what I should do to fix this? > > (I'm running FC3T2.) > > > > update yum to at least 2.1.5. > > -sv > > -- ========================= Gordon S. McLeod mcleodg at octobersfools.ca mcleodg at gmail.com gordon.mcleod at my.iadt.ca From tjikkun at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 7 21:01:23 2004 From: tjikkun at xs4all.nl (Sander Hoentjen) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:01:23 +0200 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <20041007200320.GA3352@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> <41657594.5030600@amberpoint.com> <1097178588.32171.3.camel@CC256006-A> <20041007200320.GA3352@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097182883.9972.3.camel@CC256006-A> ok.. i thought it required 3D acceleration.. I have an nVidia-based graphics card and the game only starts when i use the nvidia driver, not the nv one. I only get 20 fps, but that's a different story :) On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:03 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:49:46PM +0200, Sander Hoentjen wrote: > > > even with the resolution and display attributes set to the bare > > > minimum. I'm going to try another game, but rawhide seems to not have > > > my two standards anymore: chromium or tuxracer. > > > > bzflag is in rawhide now, it is a game that requires 3D acceleration as > > well. > > bzflag tries to be smart, it should be playable without 3D acceleration on > decent systems. With hardware 3D you'll see textures, lighting etc, in > software it'll look like a bad amiga game. > From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 21:14:27 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:14:27 -0400 Subject: Yum error In-Reply-To: References: <1097181938.18178.43.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <604aa791041007141441127405@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:00:49 -0400, Gord McLeod wrote: > Once I get it working well enough to do that, I will. Thanks! I know > there are other update utilities as well, so I'll try those if I can't > get yum itself functioning well enough to upgrade itself. what you are seeing is a problem with the server you are communicating not giving you a complete download. The newer yum versions check to make sure the file is complete before using it to prevent. I STRONGLY suggest you configure a mirror to use that carries the development branch, the default server is heavily loaded and will continue to be a poor performer. But in the mean time... use a web browser or an ftp client and download the yum available in the development branch and install with rpm on the commandline. -jef From k04jg02 at kzoo.edu Thu Oct 7 21:17:17 2004 From: k04jg02 at kzoo.edu (dataangel) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:17:17 -0400 Subject: Anyone tried the ati drivers? Message-ID: <4165B25D.1020801@kzoo.edu> With some the fedora patch and changing a line of code in firegl_public.c I was able to get them to run on FC2 on my nforce mobo, but I'm curious if anyone has tried getting them to work on FC3 yet. I'm downloading Test2 now. From shahms at shahms.com Thu Oct 7 21:19:46 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:19:46 -0700 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <1097182883.9972.3.camel@CC256006-A> References: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> <41657594.5030600@amberpoint.com> <1097178588.32171.3.camel@CC256006-A> <20041007200320.GA3352@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097182883.9972.3.camel@CC256006-A> Message-ID: <1097183986.18882.20.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 23:01 +0200, Sander Hoentjen wrote: > ok.. i thought it required 3D acceleration.. I have an nVidia-based > graphics card and the game only starts when i use the nvidia driver, not > the nv one. I only get 20 fps, but that's a different story :) > > On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:03 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:49:46PM +0200, Sander Hoentjen wrote: > > > > even with the resolution and display attributes set to the bare > > > > minimum. I'm going to try another game, but rawhide seems to not have > > > > my two standards anymore: chromium or tuxracer. > > > > > > bzflag is in rawhide now, it is a game that requires 3D acceleration as > > > well. > > > > bzflag tries to be smart, it should be playable without 3D acceleration on > > decent systems. With hardware 3D you'll see textures, lighting etc, in > > software it'll look like a bad amiga game. > > I was having a similar problem when using the nvidia-glx RPMS provided by rpm.livna.org. Those RPMS (wisely) install the nvidia libraries in /usr/lib/nvidia so they don't conflict with the xorg-x11 ones. It also installs an nvidia-glx.conf in /etc/ld.so.conf.d so the linker will use them. Unfortunately, /etc/profile (at least, I think that's the culprit) adds "/usr/X11R6/lib" to LD_LIBRARY_PATH which is consulted before /etc/ld.so.cache when linking, meaning the nvidia libraries are not used so you get no hardware acceleration. Fortunately, they also ship with a /etc/profile.d/nvidia.{sh,csh} so you can add export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/nvidia${LD_LIBRARY_PATH:+":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"} to make sure the nvidia GL libraries are found before the xorg ones. -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bikehead at amberpoint.com Thu Oct 7 22:28:58 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:28:58 -0700 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <1097183986.18882.20.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> <41657594.5030600@amberpoint.com> <1097178588.32171.3.camel@CC256006-A> <20041007200320.GA3352@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097182883.9972.3.camel@CC256006-A> <1097183986.18882.20.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4165C32A.5040600@amberpoint.com> So I tried bzflag and it ran fast and didn't look like an "atari" game. I would assume that if it was a problem with the library path the problem would manifest itself in bzflag also right? __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 Shahms King wrote: >On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 23:01 +0200, Sander Hoentjen wrote: > > >>ok.. i thought it required 3D acceleration.. I have an nVidia-based >>graphics card and the game only starts when i use the nvidia driver, not >>the nv one. I only get 20 fps, but that's a different story :) >> >>On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:03 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:49:46PM +0200, Sander Hoentjen wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>even with the resolution and display attributes set to the bare >>>>>minimum. I'm going to try another game, but rawhide seems to not have >>>>>my two standards anymore: chromium or tuxracer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>bzflag is in rawhide now, it is a game that requires 3D acceleration as >>>>well. >>>> >>>> >>>bzflag tries to be smart, it should be playable without 3D acceleration on >>>decent systems. With hardware 3D you'll see textures, lighting etc, in >>>software it'll look like a bad amiga game. >>> >>> >>> > >I was having a similar problem when using the nvidia-glx RPMS provided >by rpm.livna.org. Those RPMS (wisely) install the nvidia libraries >in /usr/lib/nvidia so they don't conflict with the xorg-x11 ones. It >also installs an nvidia-glx.conf in /etc/ld.so.conf.d so the linker will >use them. Unfortunately, /etc/profile (at least, I think that's the >culprit) adds "/usr/X11R6/lib" to LD_LIBRARY_PATH which is consulted >before /etc/ld.so.cache when linking, meaning the nvidia libraries are >not used so you get no hardware acceleration. > >Fortunately, they also ship with a /etc/profile.d/nvidia.{sh,csh} so you >can add > >export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/nvidia${LD_LIBRARY_PATH:+":$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"} > >to make sure the nvidia GL libraries are found before the xorg ones. > > > From ksnider at flarn.com Thu Oct 7 22:49:29 2004 From: ksnider at flarn.com (Ken Snider) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:49:29 -0400 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <20041007175659.GI1411660@hiwaay.net> References: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> <20041007175659.GI1411660@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <4165C7F9.50607@flarn.com> Chris Adams wrote: > But _something_ has to talk the MySQL protocol over that socket. Right > now, the only implementations commonly available are licensed under the > GPL (and AFAIK the protocol is not documented except in the source, and > they do change it with new versions). If I have a perl program that > uses the DBI module, it would use DBD::mysql, which in turn is linked > against libmysqlclient; my code is then linked to libmysqlclient and > falls under the GPL. > > Most code I write I put under the GPL, but that's me. We have customers > that write their own code (or pay someone to write code for them) that > may not want to do that. And these people are *distributing binaries* linked against these libraries? People seem to forget that the GPL only covers *distribution*, not *use*. Any commercial entity can happily link against the MySQL libraries all they want as long as they don't distribute the resulting binaries! This affects Red Hat as a distro, but I'd be mighty surprised if it affects your customers as well. -- Ken Snider From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 7 22:54:35 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:54:35 -0400 Subject: NVIDIA with games experience.... In-Reply-To: <4165C32A.5040600@amberpoint.com> References: <4165181C.8040408@aesgi.com> <41657594.5030600@amberpoint.com> <1097178588.32171.3.camel@CC256006-A> <20041007200320.GA3352@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097182883.9972.3.camel@CC256006-A> <1097183986.18882.20.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> <4165C32A.5040600@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <20041007225435.GD27514@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 03:28:58PM -0700, Bikehead wrote: > So I tried bzflag and it ran fast and didn't look like an "atari" game. > I would assume that if it was a problem with the library path the > problem would manifest itself in bzflag also right? I would expect so yes. From joelbryanster at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 23:00:02 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:00:02 -0700 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: sorry for the zeroes, must be a bug in gmail after not sending raw (currently opened e-mail) for a very long time.. From jonathansavage at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 23:46:53 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:46:53 -0700 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104100716463c8d45ff@mail.gmail.com> > So far, 1 got crushed on yum, so I've disabled updates service on the > remaining 4, I say this was a solid test release, and quite stable, > this was the 4th day running FC3T2, my only complain on FC2 (two) and I prefer *not* to enable the nightly yum update feature on test releases, call me crazy but I prefer to read the rawhide reports & see a little list traffic prior to blindly upgrading to whatevertheheckeatsbabiestoday(tm). The nightly update feature is neat for stable releases as far as workstations is concerned, dunno if I'd *ever* put it on a server though. -- Bests, Jon ---- From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Fri Oct 8 00:38:24 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:38:24 +0100 Subject: Yum error with "runuser" not found In-Reply-To: <1097176207.18178.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1097176207.18178.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <200410080138.24947.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Thursday 07 October 2004 20:10, seth vidal wrote: > > Is there any way to ask yum just to forget about initscripts, > > and install whatever it can install? > > You could read the man page and learn about the --exclude option for the > command line. Actually, my "man yum" page does not mention "--exclude". (I upgraded from FC1 to FC2, and from FC2 to FC3t2.) But thanks for the hint. I managed finally to complete a yum update. ============================================ [tim at william ~]$ sudo yum --exclude initscripts --exclude openoffice.org --exclude openoffice.org-libs --exclude openoffice.org-i18n --exclude xinitrc --exclude findutils update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files ... Completing update for fedora-logos - 774/775 Complete! ============================================ I'm amazed there are so many updates in so short a time. I guess now I need look around for the missing rpms. Anyone got any suggestions where to look? (I can't access rpmfind at the moment.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 00:50:49 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:50:49 -0400 Subject: Yum error with "runuser" not found In-Reply-To: <200410080138.24947.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1097176207.18178.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <200410080138.24947.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <604aa791041007175017d7e11d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:38:24 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm amazed there are so many updates in so short a time. Okay... this statement shows you lack a very basic understanding of what goes on during the test releases. Test releases get daily updates from the fedora core development tree. There is significant churn pretty much every day in development tree unless the tree is undergoing a 'freeze' or something is broken in the development tree build process. I'll let you figure out which of those 2 is more likely to happen. Daily reports about the changes in the development tree exist, you might be interesting in watching the rss feed for the reports http://fw07.dmacc.net/rawhide-reports/ Feel free to read through a few of those reports to get a feel for how much quickly development changes. > > I guess now I need look around for the missing rpms. > Anyone got any suggestions where to look? > (I can't access rpmfind at the moment.) I would strongly suggest you not go looking and the you focus primarily on testing and reporting back about problems with package in the test release and the development tree. -jef From talbotscott at cox.net Fri Oct 8 00:57:10 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:57:10 -0700 Subject: screensavers - slow Message-ID: <1097197030.3440.5.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Hey all: Just noticed the Xscreensavers are running about 10% normal speed. I'm pretty sure this is only maybe 2 days, but I can't remember any likely updates that might have caused this. The last time something like this happened it was the xorg - GL package I think. Will bugzilla this if anyone else has seen it. Scott From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 8 01:09:04 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:09:04 -0600 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097178660.4600.21.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> <1097178660.4600.21.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1097197744.3340.12.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 21:51 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > As Debian has shown this doesn't prevent one from shipping and using > MySQL4. > And the fact that any one organization--regardless of size, reputation, or any other quality you choose to confer upon it--has decided that Plan A is a good idea does not de facto force all other organizations to agree. The basis of a free society, in fact. Debian might believe it's a good idea and get burned later. Or Debian might be "right" and this could cause Red Hat to lose some users, possibly including you. The basis of a free market economy, in fact. Linux is open. You don't like Red Hat's choices? Then (a) live with them and quit bitching, (b) make some of your own changes, i.e. roll your own MySQL RPM's which even for *me* is not that hard, or (c) change to another distribution. > I trust MySQL that they would not sue anyone [...] In this case they explicitly changed the license to be more restrictive, which is their right. But they changed the license to make it clear that they would *not* approve of some people, in some cases, under some circumstances, linking with PHP as had been done in the past. So if they changed the license (a legal tool) to make some people quit linking to their client libraries, and they later come to believe that someone violated the new license, what leads you to believe that they would not be willing to use a lawsuit (another legal tool) to serve their purposes? In fact they have already sued people in the past, so they *are* willing to use that tool at times. Perfectly within their rights to do so, too. If *you* are willing to trust them on blind faith that they will not do so in this case, that is entirely your prerogative. But it is eminently foolish of you to demand that others do the same. Whether you are right or wrong is irrelevant. What matters is that, *regardless* of whether you are right or wrong, any individual or corporation (including Red Hat) has every right to disagree with you and pursue a different course of action. What part of that do you not understand or not accept as valid? Why do you insist that Red Hat must act in accordance with *your* beliefs? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johntrichardson at charter.net Fri Oct 8 02:15:20 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (John Richardson) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:15:20 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1097028974.3217.14.camel@dhcppc2> References: <1097028974.3217.14.camel@dhcppc2> Message-ID: <1097201720.3835.1.camel@dhcppc2> Latest rawhide again, but it's still not finding the touchpad. Should I open a bug about this, or am I missing something? John On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 22:16 -0400, John Richardson wrote: > I updated to the newest rawhide (which seems to have the mouse import > fix). But running "system-config-display --reconfig" doesn't generate > any synaptics modules. A diff of the original xorg.conf with the newly > generated shows no differences. > > The output you've requested is below. > > John > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > # cat /proc/bus/input/devices > I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0007 Version=0000 > N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" > P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 > H: Handlers=mouse0 event0 > B: EV=b > B: KEY=6420 0 70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > B: ABS=11000003 > > I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0001 Version=0000 > N: Name="PS/2 Generic Mouse" > P: Phys=synaptics-pt/serio0/input0 > H: Handlers=mouse1 event1 > B: EV=7 > B: KEY=70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > B: REL=3 > > I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41 > N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" > P: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0 > H: Handlers=kbd event2 > B: EV=120003 > B: KEY=4 2000000 3802078 f840d001 f2ffffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe > B: LED=7 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf > # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Multihead layout" > Screen 0 "Screen0" LeftOf "Screen1" > Screen 1 "Screen1" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > Option "Xinerama" "on" > Option "Clone" "off" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > # RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name > of the > # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally > # no need to change the default. > > # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) > # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of > # the X server to render fonts. > > RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" > FontPath "unix/:7100" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "dbe" > Load "extmod" > Load "fbdevhw" > Load "glx" > Load "record" > Load "freetype" > Load "type1" > Load "dri" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) > # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" > > # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. > # Option "XkbDisable" > > # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the > # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. > # keyboard, you will probably want to use: > # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" > # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: > # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" > # > # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. > # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: > # Option "XkbLayout" "de" > # or: > # Option "XkbLayout" "de" > # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" > # > # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and > # control keys, use: > # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" > # Or if you just want both to be control, use: > # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" > # > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Dell 1400x1050 Laptop Display Panel" > HorizSync 31.5 - 90.0 > VertRefresh 59.0 - 75.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor1" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Sony GDM-500PS/T/T9/21PS" > HorizSync 30.0 - 107.0 > VertRefresh 48.0 - 160.0 > Option "dpms" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "radeon" > VendorName "Videocard vendor" > BoardName "ATI Radeon Mobility M6" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard1" > Driver "radeon" > VendorName "Videocard Vendor" > BoardName "ATI Radeon Mobility M6" > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > Screen 1 > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Videocard0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 16 > Modes "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" > "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen1" > Device "Videocard1" > Monitor "Monitor1" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "800x600" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Group 0 > Mode 0666 > EndSection > > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 8 02:39:54 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:39:54 -0400 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea104100716463c8d45ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <2ad7cea104100716463c8d45ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097203194.1624.7.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:46 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > > So far, 1 got crushed on yum, so I've disabled updates service on the > > remaining 4, I say this was a solid test release, and quite stable, > > this was the 4th day running FC3T2, my only complain on FC2 (two) and > I prefer *not* to enable the nightly yum update feature on test > releases, call me crazy but I prefer to read the rawhide reports & see > a little list traffic prior to blindly upgrading to > whatevertheheckeatsbabiestoday(tm). The nightly update feature is neat > for stable releases as far as workstations is concerned, dunno if I'd > *ever* put it on a server though. > As the primary author of yum I'll say this. I use the nightly update feature only on systems where I control the repository or where I know the people who control the repositories it uses. In a structured environment where you control your repositories and you know what's being submitted to each, it's a lifesaver. -sv From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 8 03:25:07 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:25:07 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1097201720.3835.1.camel@dhcppc2> References: <1097028974.3217.14.camel@dhcppc2> <1097201720.3835.1.camel@dhcppc2> Message-ID: <41660893.4020706@sbcglobal.net> John Richardson wrote: > Latest rawhide again, but it's still not finding the touchpad. Should I > open a bug about this, or am I missing something? > > John > > > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 22:16 -0400, John Richardson wrote: > >>I updated to the newest rawhide (which seems to have the mouse import >>fix). But running "system-config-display --reconfig" doesn't generate >>any synaptics modules. A diff of the original xorg.conf with the newly >>generated shows no differences. >> >>The output you've requested is below. >> >>John >> I take it that you downloaded and installed the synaptics rpm from rawhide. Is this true? I don't know if s-c-display does not try to configure the mouse, if the synaptics rpm is installed or not. I assume that it would not try to add the driver, if synaptics is not installed. s-c-display worked for me to configure the driver, but failed for some apm interference and I am using acpi. I went back to adding the psmouse.proto=imps option within the grub.conf file. Are you still or have you ever used the psmouse.proto=imps option in the boot stanza? I ran the s-c-display while booted up w/o psmouse.proto=imps added. If it is being used in grub.conf, this might be causing the problem. If none of those situations apply, a bug report hunt/submittal might be worthwhile. Jim -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From cmadams at hiwaay.net Fri Oct 8 03:50:13 2004 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:50:13 -0500 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097178660.4600.21.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> <1097178660.4600.21.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041008035013.GA1322130@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, Thomas Zehetbauer said: > I refrain from commenting on your absurd nightmares. That's not much of a "refrain from commenting". I presented real world cases and you choose to ignore them. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From cmadams at hiwaay.net Fri Oct 8 03:52:53 2004 From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:52:53 -0500 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <4165C7F9.50607@flarn.com> References: <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> <20041007175659.GI1411660@hiwaay.net> <4165C7F9.50607@flarn.com> Message-ID: <20041008035253.GB1322130@hiwaay.net> Once upon a time, Ken Snider said: > >Most code I write I put under the GPL, but that's me. We have customers > >that write their own code (or pay someone to write code for them) that > >may not want to do that. > > And these people are *distributing binaries* linked against these libraries? Well, not binaries necessarily, but I do know of at least a couple that have written perl code that uses MySQL that they then distribute (not under an Open Source license AFAIK). From what I understand that is something of a gray area (since the "linking" takes place at run time well after distribution). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Fri Oct 8 04:07:33 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:07:33 -0400 Subject: gnome-volume-manager at high cpu Message-ID: <1097208453.5310.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> I noticed after loading a blank CD-R and then manually ejecting it without writing to it, top showed the following: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 5293 kunkelc 25 0 20300 6636 16m R 93.5 0.6 15:38.99 gnome- volume-ma 6372 root 39 19 54684 45m 7084 R 7.8 4.5 442:15.21 hadsm3um_4.04_i 6619 root 39 19 18784 15m 2580 R 5.8 1.6 196:09.79 setiathome_4.02 1 root 16 0 2400 572 1400 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.06 init 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 3 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0 4 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1 5 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/1 6 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 events/0 7 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 events/1 8 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper 9 root 15 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid gnome-volume-manager continued to take up cpu > 90%. I killed the process and repeated with the same results. Is this normal? I haven't seen gnome-volume-manager in top before this effort. I am new to Linux and don't know how to debug this or do any traces. From johntrichardson at charter.net Fri Oct 8 05:30:59 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (John Richardson) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 01:30:59 -0400 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <41660893.4020706@sbcglobal.net> References: <1097028974.3217.14.camel@dhcppc2> <1097201720.3835.1.camel@dhcppc2> <41660893.4020706@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1097213459.4496.8.camel@dhcppc2> > I take it that you downloaded and installed the synaptics rpm from > rawhide. Is this true? Well, I just ran uptodate, but it looks like I have it: $ rpm -qa | grep synap synaptics-0.13.5-5 > > I don't know if s-c-display does not try to configure the mouse, if the > synaptics rpm is installed or not. I assume that it would not try to > add the driver, if synaptics is not installed. > > s-c-display worked for me to configure the driver, but failed for some > apm interference and I am using acpi. Well, I did get the following strangeness, which I figured wasn't related: # system-config-display --reconfig * ddcprobe returned bogus values: ID: None Name: None HorizSync: None VertSync: None Trying with card: ATI Radeon Mobility M6 > I went back to adding the psmouse.proto=imps option within the > grub.conf file. Are you still or have you ever used the > psmouse.proto=imps option in the boot stanza? I saw that option mentioned earlier, but I never modified grub.conf (clean install of FC3T2 + uptodate). > > I ran the s-c-display while booted up w/o psmouse.proto=imps added. If > it is being used in grub.conf, this might be causing the problem. > > If none of those situations apply, a bug report hunt/submittal might be > worthwhile. I'll do that tomorrow if no else can find obvious mistakes I've made. :) Obviously, I could set it up by hand, but the point of testing is to give feedback, so I won't have to do it by hand next time too. :) thanks, John From mpeters at mac.com Fri Oct 8 08:04:43 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:04:43 +0000 Subject: gnome now has two panels In-Reply-To: <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> (from whb@ceimaine.org on Mon Oct 4 09:02:57 2004) References: <00df01c4a7e2$4c2f6b00$0c01a8c0@nugget> <1096905777.3297.3.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1097222683l.12195l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/04/2004 09:02:57 AM, Will Backman wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:13 -0700, James C. Bevier wrote: > > With todays updates, gnome now has two panels. One at the top and > one at > > the bottom. The icons seem to be split between the two. How do I > just get > > back to one? This is on x86_64 system. KDE did not seem to be > affected. > > > > Jim > > > Same thing happened to me. i686 system Right click on a panel and choose "delete panel" I personally prefer that - that's how I've always had it: http://homepage.mac.com/mpeters/misc/Desktop-2004-10-05.jpeg From tatxe at saladelfrio.com Fri Oct 8 08:57:36 2004 From: tatxe at saladelfrio.com (Tatxe) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:57:36 +0200 Subject: New kernel 2.6.8-1.598 and Nvidia Message-ID: <1097225856.5366.25.camel@iglu.saladelfrio.com> I was upgraded to the new kernel but I can't compile the Nvidia driver for the new kernel. The error message was: "No kernel-source found" What I'm doing wrong? I was looking in bugzilla but I cant' find anything ______________________________________________ Saludos desde este marco incomparable. Tatxe en http://www.saladelfrio.com No madruges para ma?ana lo que puedas sobar hoy From talbotscott at cox.net Fri Oct 8 09:02:14 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 02:02:14 -0700 Subject: Files on Desktop Message-ID: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Thought I'd throw this out here. Recently, I noticed that files saved to the Desktop do not show up there, either on the display or in the File manager. They can be ls'd in the terminal, but are otherwise invisible until the system is re-booted (possibly logout->login, haven't tried that). I can also make them show up by dragging a different file to the desktop (that must be triggering a refresh) Scott From vR at movingparts.net Fri Oct 8 09:10:38 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 05:10:38 -0400 Subject: Files on Desktop In-Reply-To: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1097226638.6746.16.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 02:02 -0700, Scott Talbot wrote: > > Thought I'd throw this out here. Recently, I noticed that files saved > to the Desktop do not show up there, either on the display or in the > File manager. They can be ls'd in the terminal, but are otherwise > invisible until the system is re-booted (possibly logout->login, haven't > tried that). I can also make them show up by dragging a different file > to the desktop (that must be triggering a refresh) > I noticed this too the other day--but you don't have to reboot or logout/login. you can just killall nautilus, which will cause it to be restarted. not a perfect solution, but it's less time-consuming than rebooting/logging out/in. =:) anyone know why nautilus is acting funky? -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Oct 8 09:10:41 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:10:41 +0300 Subject: yum crash Message-ID: <1097226641.4229.14.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> With FC3t2, no updates (yum-2.1.3-1) [root at marte var]# yum install bind-chroot caching-nameserver Setting up Install Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 927 kB 00:32 developmen: ################################################## 3423/3423 Excluding Packages Excluding Incompatible Archs Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora Core 2.91 - Development Tree Resolving Dependencies caching-nameserver-7.3-3. 100% |=========================| 6.8 kB 00:00 bind-chroot-9.2.4-1.i386. 100% |=========================| 27 kB 00:00 Restarting Dependency Process with new changes bind-9.2.4-1.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 33 kB 00:00 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 139, in ? main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 94, in main (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 131, in buildTransaction (rescode, restring) = self.resolveDeps() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 186, in resolveDeps (checkdep, missing, conflict, errormsgs) = self._processReq(dep) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 282, in _processReq CheckDeps, missingdep = self._requiringFromInstalled (requiringPkg.pkgtup(), requirementTuple, errormsgs) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 338, in _requiringFromInstalled uplist = self.up.getUpdatesList(name=name) AttributeError: YumBaseCli instance has no attribute 'up' It's not the first time I got this, but it's not reproducible. Running again with same arguments works fine usually. Now I've upgraded yum to rawhide and issued the command again, it worked. -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From alexl at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 09:28:02 2004 From: alexl at redhat.com (Alexander Larsson) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:28:02 +0200 Subject: Files on Desktop In-Reply-To: <1097226638.6746.16.camel@localhost> References: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097226638.6746.16.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1097227682.3967.181.camel@greebo.homeip.net> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 05:10 -0400, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 02:02 -0700, Scott Talbot wrote: > > > > Thought I'd throw this out here. Recently, I noticed that files saved > > to the Desktop do not show up there, either on the display or in the > > File manager. They can be ls'd in the terminal, but are otherwise > > invisible until the system is re-booted (possibly logout->login, haven't > > tried that). I can also make them show up by dragging a different file > > to the desktop (that must be triggering a refresh) > > > > I noticed this too the other day--but you don't have to reboot or > logout/login. you can just killall nautilus, which will cause it to be > restarted. not a perfect solution, but it's less time-consuming than > rebooting/logging out/in. =:) anyone know why nautilus is acting > funky? Another option is pressing ctrl-r on the desktop. However, this is really a bug in gamin. Which i believe has been fixed in recent rawhide versions. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl at redhat.com alla at lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed Catholic inventor haunted by memories of 'Nam. She's a foxy foul-mouthed Valkyrie who inherited a spooky stately manor from her late maiden aunt. They fight crime! From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Oct 8 10:29:47 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:29:47 +0300 Subject: caching nameserver not always working? status: SERVFAIL Message-ID: <1097231387.4229.34.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Hi With caching-nameserver from rawhide, not all hosts are resolved. I'm not sure if it's my fault or named's. /etc/resolv.conf has only the local machine IP: nameserver 81.196.83.211 #nameserver 193.231.236.17 #nameserver 193.231.236.10 iptables allows all traffic on port 53, but not others above 1000, as bind says it might use. Although old rpms were removed (/etc/named.conf gone) and rawhide's installed, rpm -V shows modified files: [root at marte var]# rpm -V bind-chroot caching-nameserver bind-libs .M...... /var/named/chroot/dev ....L... c /etc/named.conf ....LUG. c /var/named/localdomain.zone ....LUG. c /var/named/localhost.zone ....LUG. c /var/named/named.broadcast ....LUG. c /var/named/named.ca ....LUG. c /var/named/named.ip6.local ....LUG. c /var/named/named.local ....LUG. c /var/named/named.zero named.conf has // query-source address * port 53; should this be uncommented? Directory /var/named/data/ is empty. Problem: www.galuna.ro works, but marius.galuna.ro doesn't. Sometimes www doesn't work, but galuna.ro works. dig returns status: SERVFAIL Querying on ISP's nameserver works always. He's not hosting this site. [root at marte var]# dig www.galuna.ro ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> www.galuna.ro ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 44828 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.galuna.ro. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.galuna.ro. 344723 IN CNAME galuna.ro. galuna.ro. 344723 IN A 213.157.162.252 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: galuna.ro. 10630 IN NS ns1.galuna.ro. ;; Query time: 25 msec ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:39 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 79 [root at marte var]# dig marius.galuna.ro ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> marius.galuna.ro ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 51278 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A ;; Query time: 23 msec ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:43 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 34 [root at marte var]# dig @193.231.236.17 marius.galuna.ro ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> @193.231.236.17 marius.galuna.ro ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49067 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 9, ADDITIONAL: 9 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: marius.galuna.ro. 172800 IN CNAME galuna.ro. galuna.ro. 172800 IN A 213.157.162.252 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: ro. 171353 IN NS NS1.UNIVIE.AC.AT. ro. 171353 IN NS SUNIC.SUNET.SE. ro. 171353 IN NS DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. ro. 171353 IN NS NS-EXT.VIX.COM. ro. 171353 IN NS PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. ro. 171353 IN NS SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. ro. 171353 IN NS NS.UU.NET. ro. 171353 IN NS NS.RIPE.NET. ro. 171353 IN NS NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: NS.UU.NET. 170151 IN A 137.39.1.3 NS.RIPE.NET. 169233 IN A 193.0.0.193 NS.RIPE.NET. 104651 IN AAAA 2001:610:240:0:53::193 NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. 170498 IN A 192.92.138.35 SUNIC.SUNET.SE. 170168 IN A 192.36.125.2 DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. 172719 IN A 81.91.161.76 NS-EXT.VIX.COM. 163522 IN A 204.152.184.64 PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. 169808 IN A 192.162.16.18 SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. 143759 IN A 193.230.31.225 ;; Query time: 89 msec ;; SERVER: 193.231.236.17#53(193.231.236.17) ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:57 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 460 DNS check doesn't have major problems: http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=galuna.ro Restarting local named makes dig solve the request: ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> marius.galuna.ro ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15587 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: marius.galuna.ro. 345600 IN CNAME galuna.ro. galuna.ro. 345600 IN A 213.157.162.252 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: galuna.ro. 345600 IN NS ns1.galuna.ro. ;; Query time: 760 msec ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 13:26:50 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 82 Thanks -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Oct 8 10:33:23 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:33:23 +0200 Subject: New kernel 2.6.8-1.598 and Nvidia References: <1097225856.5366.25.camel@iglu.saladelfrio.com> Message-ID: a lot of people with kernel > 2.6.9-rc2-bk3 had this problem i think. here http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers is the patched one that should work ok. best lars Tatxe wrote: > I was upgraded to the new kernel but I can't compile the Nvidia driver > for the new kernel. > > The error message was: "No kernel-source found" > > What I'm doing wrong? > > I was looking in bugzilla but I cant' find anything > > > ______________________________________________ > Saludos desde este marco incomparable. > Tatxe en http://www.saladelfrio.com > > No madruges para ma?ana lo que puedas sobar hoy > From tatxe at saladelfrio.com Fri Oct 8 10:38:31 2004 From: tatxe at saladelfrio.com (Tatxe) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:38:31 +0200 Subject: eclipse working for anyone? In-Reply-To: <416562F8.8000001@bc.edu> References: <416562F8.8000001@bc.edu> Message-ID: <1097231911.5366.38.camel@iglu.saladelfrio.com> El jue, 07-10-2004 a las 11:38 -0400, Amitabha Roy escribi?: > I could make it work using > eclipse -vm /opt/jdk1.5/bin/java > (substitute your own path for java). And how you made to make it work with mozilla? ______________________________________________ Saludos desde este marco incomparable. Tatxe en http://www.saladelfrio.com No madruges para ma?ana lo que puedas sobar hoy From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Oct 8 10:41:30 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:41:30 +0200 Subject: New kernel 2.6.8-1.598 and Nvidia References: <1097225856.5366.25.camel@iglu.saladelfrio.com> Message-ID: btw. if you're running udev from the latest rawhide and the nvidia module does not load before starting x, see the notes at the end of this page http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html hope this helps Lars Lars wrote: > a lot of people with kernel > 2.6.9-rc2-bk3 > had this problem i think. > here > http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers is > the patched one that should work ok. > > best > lars > > > > > Tatxe wrote: > >> I was upgraded to the new kernel but I can't compile the Nvidia driver >> for the new kernel. >> >> The error message was: "No kernel-source found" >> >> What I'm doing wrong? >> >> I was looking in bugzilla but I cant' find anything >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> Saludos desde este marco incomparable. >> Tatxe en http://www.saladelfrio.com >> >> No madruges para ma?ana lo que puedas sobar hoy >> > > From thomasz at hostmaster.org Fri Oct 8 10:44:43 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:44:43 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <20041008035013.GA1322130@hiwaay.net> References: <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> <1097178660.4600.21.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041008035013.GA1322130@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <1097232283.4600.54.camel@hostmaster.org> On Don, 2004-10-07 at 22:50 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > That's not much of a "refrain from commenting". I presented real world > cases and you choose to ignore them. One can never change the license just by changing the DBI connect string, you could at most generate a license conflict. One can always use the LGPL MySQL 3 libraries to talk to MySQL 4. Perl is compiled and linked at execution time, therefore you can never run into the distribute linked binaries clause. Even if your customers directly use and link the MySQL libraries on their webhost they would most likely not need to distribute the resulting binary. So your 'real world cases' resolve to utter nonsense. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Error reading FAT record: Try the SKINNY one? (Y/N) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From wtogami at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 11:03:40 2004 From: wtogami at redhat.com (Warren Togami) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 01:03:40 -1000 Subject: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug In-Reply-To: <20041003020735.47319.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041003020735.47319.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4166740C.5030404@redhat.com> Michael Mansour wrote: > Hi, > > I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since I > currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to > upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect > disks from installation), and as I've just found out, > so does FC3T2. > > I've read the material on: > > http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php > > and they claim that they do not know of any issues > with the driver and kernel used on the installation > process of FC3T2. > > The following is my problem. > > I have an Adaptec I2O SCSI RAID Controller > BIOS V001.62 (2002/11/16) > Model 2010S Revision 3B05 > 32Mb of RAM > > Booting the FC3T2 CD, I select to add additional > drivers and select the "I2O block" driver from the > list. AFAIK manually choosing the I2O block driver from the menu should no longer be needed. It sounds to me like your I2O card has some PCI ID that the kernel module does not know about. Can you please provide the lspci -v and lspci -n? Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From gvc at ocsystems.com Fri Oct 8 11:29:07 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:29:07 -0400 Subject: T23: Audio and ACPI/apm Message-ID: <41667A03.8060703@ocsystems.com> I have an IBM T23 laptop, previously running Red Hat 9, upgraded to FC3t2. Should I be submitting my problems to bugzilla or discussing here first? 1. Audio sometimes needs to be re-inited Sound worked fine out of the box on RH 9. Now the audio is sometimes broken until I delete the stanza from /etc/sysconfig/hwconf and re-run kudzu. Xmms gives its generic 'Couldn't open audio' box, and snd (the sound editor) just hangs when I try to play something. Stanza from hwconf is: class: AUDIO bus: PCI detached: 0 driver: snd-intel8x0 desc: "Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller" vendorId: 8086 deviceId: 2485 subVendorId: 1014 subDeviceId: 0222 pciType: 1 pcidom: 0 pcibus: 0 pcidev: 1f pcifn: 5 - 2. No hibernation on closed cover In RH9, Power management worked only partway: if I pulled the power before closing the cover the machine would hibernate properly. If I closed the cover first and then pulled the power, it would *not* detect the 'power change' event and would run down the battery. This was a quirk I learned to live with. Under FC3t2 in the default config (no ACPI kernel param, apmd running) the machine apparently didn't recognize when it switched to battery power or when the cover closed, it happily converted battery power to heat energy in my backpack. When I set kernel param acpi=on, removing and replacing the power plug gave the familiar chirps, but nothing else happened. At bootup we have this in /var/log/messages: Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040715 Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI: Found ECDT Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI: Could not use ECDT Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-0298: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc nfslock: rpc.statd startup succeeded Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-1133: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.FDC_._INI] (Node 21e95f40), AE_NOT_EXIST Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-0298: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-1133: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__._INI] (Node 21e8e560), AE_NOT_EXIST Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-0298: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-1133: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 21e8ec60), AE_NOT_EXIST Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-0158: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT0._STA] (Node 21e8ec60), AE_NOT_EXIST Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-0298: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-1133: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._STA] (Node 21e8eae0), AE_NOT_EXIST Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-0158: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.BAT1._STA] (Node 21e8eae0), AE_NOT_EXIST Oct 8 06:41:46 gvc kernel: ACPI-0298: *** Error: Region EmbeddedControl(3) has no handler I see Test3 is scheduled out today. I'll load it up this weekend. -- --gvc "Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence." -- Robert Fripp From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 8 11:58:59 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:58:59 -0400 Subject: cupsd new problem Message-ID: After yesterday's updates I seem to have a new problem: /var/log/messages: Oct 8 07:48:50 rpppc1 cupsd: cupsd: Child exited with status 98! Oct 8 07:48:50 rpppc1 cups: cupsd startup failed /var/log/cups/error_log: E [08/Oct/2004:07:48:50 -0400] StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 7f000001:631 - Address already in use. From twaugh at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 12:43:34 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:43:34 +0100 Subject: cupsd new problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041008124334.GW21098@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 07:58:59AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > After yesterday's updates I seem to have a new problem: > > /var/log/messages: > Oct 8 07:48:50 rpppc1 cupsd: cupsd: Child exited with status 98! > Oct 8 07:48:50 rpppc1 cups: cupsd startup failed > > /var/log/cups/error_log: > E [08/Oct/2004:07:48:50 -0400] StartListening: Unable to bind socket for > address 7f000001:631 - Address already in use. Please file a bug report and include: - The version of cups that you have - The version of system-config-printer that you have - The output of printconf-tui --Xexport, with any passwords edited out - Your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf Thanks, Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Will bugzilla this if >anyone else has seen it. > >Scott > > > > Scott: I updated the full dev tree after being out of town a week (yesterday) and experienced a huge slowdown on all OGL X related processes, screensavers, UT2003 (Game), etc. Things of this nature went from good performance to about (as you said) 10% or so. Slow enough to be able to see the page flipping or frame rate. Anyway, I kept checking the running processes when I noticed that Xclients & xinitrc were running as subclients of dbus (the 'new' communications master). That was news to me since it just seemed like that'd be quite a bottleneck unless dbus worked perfectly (and perfectly fast). I had the old copy of xinintrc (which is the script in /etc/X11/xinit that determines 'how' X is started), so I saved the new one (in case I bugreported it) and overwrote it, and restarted X. This caused all performance to go back to 'good' or 'normal'. It also kept Xclients from being subsidiary to dbus. Everything still works ok, so this is a useable config and other non-X clients are using dbus to advantage since they're not as time critical as graphics. It seems like a dbus performance bug and it definitely is new for this to be happening. I'm guessing the 2 day old xinintrc package I downloaded is almost certainly the culprit. The line with Xclient, when working quickly and pre-2 days back should appear as follows: "ps -ef | grep Xc root 20910 20888 0 Oct07 ? 00:00:00 ssh-agent /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients" With the new xinitrc running it appears as above but with dbus-daemon in front. Anyway: I'll search bugzilla and if nothing is around will do a bug report on it. From whb at ceimaine.org Fri Oct 8 14:28:15 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: 08 Oct 2004 09:28:15 -0500 Subject: Files on Desktop In-Reply-To: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1097245695.15894.5.camel@openbsd.empower.ceimaine.org> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 04:02, Scott Talbot wrote: > Thought I'd throw this out here. Recently, I noticed that files saved > to the Desktop do not show up there, either on the display or in the > File manager. They can be ls'd in the terminal, but are otherwise > invisible until the system is re-booted (possibly logout->login, haven't > tried that). I can also make them show up by dragging a different file > to the desktop (that must be triggering a refresh) > > Scott > > Just another "me too". Have you filed a bug? From talbotscott at cox.net Fri Oct 8 13:59:51 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 06:59:51 -0700 Subject: Files on Desktop In-Reply-To: <1097245695.15894.5.camel@openbsd.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097245695.15894.5.camel@openbsd.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <1097243991.12196.1.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 09:28 -0500, Will Backman wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 04:02, Scott Talbot wrote: > > Thought I'd throw this out here. Recently, I noticed that files saved > > to the Desktop do not show up there, either on the display or in the > > File manager. They can be ls'd in the terminal, but are otherwise > > invisible until the system is re-booted (possibly logout->login, haven't > > tried that). I can also make them show up by dragging a different file > > to the desktop (that must be triggering a refresh) > > > > Scott > > > > > > Just another "me too". Have you filed a bug? > Just did, here 'tis if you want to follow: Back To # 135072 Scott From yekkim at pacbell.net Fri Oct 8 14:01:13 2004 From: yekkim at pacbell.net (Mickey Stein) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:01:13 -0700 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <20041008091125.257D073FCC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041008091125.257D073FCC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41669DA9.1090400@pacbell.net> >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:57:10 -0700 >From: Scott Talbot >Subject: screensavers - slow >To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com >Message-ID: <1097197030.3440.5.camel at ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> >Content-Type: text/plain > >Hey all: > >Just noticed the Xscreensavers are running about 10% normal speed. I'm >pretty sure this is only maybe 2 days, but I can't remember any likely >updates that might have caused this. The last time something like this >happened it was the xorg - GL package I think. Will bugzilla this if >anyone else has seen it. > >Scott > > > Ok, I added this as a bugzilla entry as follows: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135071 If this related or you think so, then add your comments over there, Thanks, Mick From jvdias at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 14:19:10 2004 From: jvdias at redhat.com (Jason Vas Dias) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:19:10 -0400 Subject: caching nameserver not always working? status: SERVFAIL In-Reply-To: <1097231387.4229.34.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1097231387.4229.34.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <1097245150.2574.3.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> Hi - You may need to uncomment the 'query-source' line in the named.conf that comes with caching-nameserver, ie: 'options { ... query-source address * port 53; ... }; ' This will make named use port 53 for queries it sends to other nameservers - otherwise, any available port will be used, which may be blocked by your firewall. If this doesn't work please let me know. Regards, Jason Vas Dias (bind & caching-nameserver maintainer, Red Hat) On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 06:29, Marius Andreiana wrote: > Hi > > With caching-nameserver from rawhide, not all hosts are resolved. I'm > not sure if it's my fault or named's. > /etc/resolv.conf has only the local machine IP: > nameserver 81.196.83.211 > #nameserver 193.231.236.17 > #nameserver 193.231.236.10 > > iptables allows all traffic on port 53, but not others above 1000, as > bind says it might use. > > Although old rpms were removed (/etc/named.conf gone) and rawhide's > installed, rpm -V shows modified files: > > [root at marte var]# rpm -V bind-chroot caching-nameserver bind-libs > .M...... /var/named/chroot/dev > ....L... c /etc/named.conf > ....LUG. c /var/named/localdomain.zone > ....LUG. c /var/named/localhost.zone > ....LUG. c /var/named/named.broadcast > ....LUG. c /var/named/named.ca > ....LUG. c /var/named/named.ip6.local > ....LUG. c /var/named/named.local > ....LUG. c /var/named/named.zero > > named.conf has > // query-source address * port 53; > should this be uncommented? > > Directory /var/named/data/ is empty. > > Problem: > www.galuna.ro works, but marius.galuna.ro doesn't. Sometimes www doesn't > work, but galuna.ro works. dig returns status: SERVFAIL > Querying on ISP's nameserver works always. He's not hosting this site. > > > [root at marte var]# dig www.galuna.ro > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> www.galuna.ro > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 44828 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;www.galuna.ro. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > www.galuna.ro. 344723 IN CNAME galuna.ro. > galuna.ro. 344723 IN A 213.157.162.252 > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > galuna.ro. 10630 IN NS ns1.galuna.ro. > > ;; Query time: 25 msec > ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) > ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:39 2004 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 79 > > [root at marte var]# dig marius.galuna.ro > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> marius.galuna.ro > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 51278 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A > > ;; Query time: 23 msec > ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) > ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:43 2004 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 34 > > [root at marte var]# dig @193.231.236.17 marius.galuna.ro > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> @193.231.236.17 marius.galuna.ro > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49067 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 9, ADDITIONAL: 9 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > marius.galuna.ro. 172800 IN CNAME galuna.ro. > galuna.ro. 172800 IN A 213.157.162.252 > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > ro. 171353 IN NS NS1.UNIVIE.AC.AT. > ro. 171353 IN NS SUNIC.SUNET.SE. > ro. 171353 IN NS DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. > ro. 171353 IN NS NS-EXT.VIX.COM. > ro. 171353 IN NS PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. > ro. 171353 IN NS SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. > ro. 171353 IN NS NS.UU.NET. > ro. 171353 IN NS NS.RIPE.NET. > ro. 171353 IN NS NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > NS.UU.NET. 170151 IN A 137.39.1.3 > NS.RIPE.NET. 169233 IN A 193.0.0.193 > NS.RIPE.NET. 104651 IN AAAA 2001:610:240:0:53::193 > NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. 170498 IN A 192.92.138.35 > SUNIC.SUNET.SE. 170168 IN A 192.36.125.2 > DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. 172719 IN A 81.91.161.76 > NS-EXT.VIX.COM. 163522 IN A 204.152.184.64 > PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. 169808 IN A 192.162.16.18 > SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. 143759 IN A 193.230.31.225 > > ;; Query time: 89 msec > ;; SERVER: 193.231.236.17#53(193.231.236.17) > ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:57 2004 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 460 > > DNS check doesn't have major problems: > http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=galuna.ro > > Restarting local named makes dig solve the request: > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> marius.galuna.ro > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15587 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > marius.galuna.ro. 345600 IN CNAME galuna.ro. > galuna.ro. 345600 IN A 213.157.162.252 > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > galuna.ro. 345600 IN NS ns1.galuna.ro. > > ;; Query time: 760 msec > ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) > ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 13:26:50 2004 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 82 > > Thanks > -- > Marius Andreiana > Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania > http://www.galuna.ro From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 8 14:40:29 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:40:29 +0200 Subject: Yum dependencies troubles Message-ID: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> yum version 2.1.6-1 rpmdb-fedora is not installed. I have this problem with or without rpmdb-fedora installed. # yum install system-config-bind [...] Resolving Dependencies system-config-bind-2.0.3- 100% |=========================| 22 kB 00:00 Processing Dependency: 4Suite for package: system-config-bind Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Requiring package system-config-bind-2.0.3-1.noarch not in transaction set nor in rpmdb [root at localhost ~]# yum install 4Suite Resolving Dependencies 4Suite-1.0-3.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 427 kB 00:00 Dependencies Resolved [i] 4Suite.i386 0:1.0-3 - user Is this ok [y/N]: y [...] Complete! [root at localhost ~]# yum install system-config-bind Resolving Dependencies Dependencies Resolved [i] system-config-bind.noarch 0:2.0.3-1 - user Is this ok [y/N]: y [...] Complete! # rpm -e --test 4Suite error: Failed dependencies: 4Suite is needed by (installed) system-config-bind-2.0.3-1.noarch [root at localhost ~]# yum remove 4Suite Setting up Remove Process Resolving Dependencies Processing Dependency: 4Suite for package: system-config-bind Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Requiring package system-config-bind-2.0.3-1.noarch not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Any thought ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you revert back to rpm-libs-4.3.2-8 the problem goes away for both yum and up2date. -jef From guy at incentre.net Fri Oct 8 15:42:13 2004 From: guy at incentre.net (Guy Fraser) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:42:13 -0600 Subject: abandoning FC3-T2 In-Reply-To: References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4166B555.1060104@incentre.net> joelbryan wrote: >Overall, we have 15 servers, HP Proliant ML110s, >7 of these servers have FC2, 3 have Windows 2003, and 5 is dedicated >for software R&D. > >The management let me install those on purpose, the management also >given me some time to prepare the test releases for me to demonstrate >to them FC3, for what would it look like, what would they will be >expecting, and will the students be able to accept the changes of the >new OS, because they are planning to dual boot XP and FC3 for >educational purposes. > > > Good Job. Isn't that what test releases are for... testing. If people have access to a large R&D environment, what better place to run test releases. If nobody ever ran the test releases in a real environment, many critical problems would never be found. If someone in my R&D department wasn't willing to test new products, I would fire him. We test pre release software all the time and if it looks promising we help test and provide patches when we can. In this fast changing industry, you have to work to stay on top of advances, you can't just sit back and let your competitors do all the work or they'll eat your lunch. Just as a side note: I notice you are sending from qmail. I think we have been helping a bit with an SQL backend for qmail. If you work their keep up the good work, otherwise keep up the good work. :-) Have a great weekend, I know I will. It is a long weekend here in Canada, Monday is Turkey Day {Thanksgiving}. :-) >On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:25:10 +0100, Paul wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >> >> >>>>Hey, I've installed five FC3T2 on our University server, that is used >>>>by over 3000 PCs as a DHCP, SQUID, Firewall, Zebra Router, and a >>>>Gateway.............. If this doesn't work, I'm srewed man... >>>> >>>>I've replaced Windows 2003, for FC3T2... And I'm not complaining.......... >>>> >>>> >>>May I just echo the previous two statements and add a barmy to the list? >>> >>> >>I'll guess at insanity. That or not liking his/her employers. Failing >>that, a terminal wish to give Linux a really bad name ("let's shove on >>something in testing, say it's a release then they'll let me do the >>admin with a mouse instead of this command line stuff") - it could be >>lots of reasons. >> >>I put it down to the give linux a bad name or not liking the employers. >> >>TTFN >> >>Paul >>(running a small server using FC2 and a large one running RH9) >>-- >>Homer: Donut? >>Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? >>Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. >> >> >>-- >>fedora-test-list mailing list >>fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>To unsubscribe: >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- Guy Fraser Network Administrator The Internet Centre 780-450-6787 , 1-888-450-6787 There is a fine line between genius and lunacy, fear not, walk the line with pride. Not all things will end up as you wanted, but you will certainly discover things the meek and timid will miss out on. From than at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 15:47:24 2004 From: than at redhat.com (Than Ngo) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:47:24 +0200 Subject: rp-pppoe In-Reply-To: <1097232812l.5044l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1097232812l.5044l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <4166B68C.9010603@redhat.com> Michael A. Peters wrote: > The rp-pppoe that came down the pipe broke. > my adsl would not connect. Tries numerous times. > > Oct 8 03:07:02 devel ifup: /sbin/adsl-start: line 215: 4408 > Terminated $CONNECT "$@" >/dev/null 2>&1 > Oct 8 03:07:02 devel network: Bringing up interface SBCGlobal: failed > > > replaced it with rp-pppoe that came with 2.91 and it works again. > > it's now fixed in rp-pppoe-3.5-19 or newer. Than From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 8 15:51:50 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:51:50 +0200 Subject: Yum dependencies troubles In-Reply-To: <604aa79104100807587ee0d74c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa79104100807587ee0d74c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097250710.18267.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 08 octobre 2004 ? 10:58 -0400, Jeff Spaleta a ?crit : > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:40:29 +0200, Matias F?liciano > wrote: > > Any thought ? > > the internals on rpm-libs package changed in the lastest rawhide > update... I have confirmed and filed about this for both yum and > up2date. I wouldn't be all that shocked that the new rpm-libs breaks > anaconda and s-c-packages as well as apt. Isn't the development tree > fun!!!!!! > If you revert back to rpm-libs-4.3.2-8 the problem goes away for > both yum and up2date. Find rpm-libs-4.3.2-8 here : http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/ Copy all rpm 4.3.2-8 here : http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/rpm/ > > -jef > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tatxe en http://www.saladelfrio.com No madruges para ma?ana lo que puedas sobar hoy From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 8 16:39:24 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:39:24 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default Message-ID: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> We can expect that new kernels are better (bug or security fix). At that time, new installed kernel are not the default. $ rpm -q --scripts kernel ... /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.6.8-1.603 Why ? With FC3, grub show only the default kernel. If you don't take care, you can boot with a old kernel (which have a security issue). Editing /boog/grub/grub.conf should be require only if something goes wrong. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From guy at incentre.net Fri Oct 8 16:44:30 2004 From: guy at incentre.net (Guy Fraser) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:44:30 -0600 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea104100716463c8d45ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <2ad7cea104100716463c8d45ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4166C3EE.300@incentre.net> Jon Savage wrote: >>So far, 1 got crushed on yum, so I've disabled updates service on the >>remaining 4, I say this was a solid test release, and quite stable, >>this was the 4th day running FC3T2, my only complain on FC2 (two) and >> >> >I prefer *not* to enable the nightly yum update feature on test >releases, call me crazy but I prefer to read the rawhide reports & see >a little list traffic prior to blindly upgrading to >whatevertheheckeatsbabiestoday(tm). The nightly update feature is neat >for stable releases as far as workstations is concerned, dunno if I'd >*ever* put it on a server though. > > > Absolutely, you should not run automatic updates. Nothing About any release of Fedora should have nightly updates available. Many times so far, the "Stable" releases have been broken by updates. My FC2 at home is currently limping along using KDE since gtk2 and xorg were "updated". I knew Fedora was a cutting edge distribution, but so far it has been more an adventure. Ever since RH 8.0, Quality Assurance has gone down hill on the entire desktop line of RH distributions. That said, I still prefer to use Fedora over the other distributions I have tried. On my Fedora machine at work, I don't upgrade anything until I have tested it at home. After RH 8.0 started breaking unexpectedly and RH 9 seemed to break different things on a regular basis after using up2date, I have had to use a test machine to make sure that "Stable" releases work. This is not an attack, it is advise about not using automatic updates on anything that needs to work on a regular basis. I expect that some wieners won't be able to resist flaming this post, but who cares they'll still be wieners and it doesn't make my points any less true. -- Guy Fraser From smooge at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 16:48:30 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:48:30 -0600 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <80d7e4090410080948190eeac8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:11:39 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > On Mit, 2004-10-06 at 19:37 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > I take it you think the more permissive LGPL shouldn't exist and > > should never be used? > > Indeed, the LGPL allows commercial closed source applications to benefit > from open source applications without the obligation to contribute > anything to the open source community. > > > Sigh, you aren't qualified to intelligently debate the finer points of > > the FOSS exception. > > And I doubt you are. > To cut this long 'intellectual' conversation to its close... someone please say 'Your momma' and then someone say 'I'm rubber, your glue...' and we can be right back in line with the other school yard arguments. > > Shouldn't you take solace in the fact that the right people at Red Hat > > is engaged on the legal issues so that the legal specifics get worked > > out to everyone's satification. > > RedHat has yet failed to argue the specific issues they have with MySQL > being GPL licensed. > Why should they try. It is clear that any argument given would not meet your 'high' standards that all code must be GPL or not used. [Or that is the impression you have given in this long schoolyard rant.] -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Fri Oct 8 17:06:37 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:06:37 +0100 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097255197.11977.2.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 18:39 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > We can expect that new kernels are better (bug or security fix). > > At that time, new installed kernel are not the default. > > $ rpm -q --scripts kernel > ... > /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.6.8-1.603 > > Why ? > > With FC3, grub show only the default kernel. If you don't take care, you > can boot with a old kernel (which have a security issue). > > Editing /boog/grub/grub.conf should be require only if something goes > wrong. If you use YUM to update your kernel then the new kernel is the default kernel. When you use RPM the old kernel is the default. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 8 17:12:27 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:12:27 -0400 Subject: Yum dependencies troubles In-Reply-To: References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097246638.10468.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097247236.3230.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:10, Lars wrote: > anyone can tell what the package rpmdb-fedora actually does? > i know it has a copy of all rpms, but my system behaves the same > with or wihout it. > so im asking myself for a long time whats the need of it? > It's not used for yum at all anymore. IT used to make it quicker to get a hold of some of the older headers. -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 17:15:10 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:15:10 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097255197.11977.2.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255197.11977.2.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041008101566de6005@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:06:37 +0100, Douglas Furlong wrote: > If you use YUM to update your kernel then the new kernel is the default > kernel. > > When you use RPM the old kernel is the default. Can you explain to me WHY? the grub.conf entry creation is done by the post-install script in the kernel package. Please explain to me how yum and rpm come up with a different result..running the same postinstall script..in the kernel rpm? I'm not sure i believe you're statement. Personally I've seen inconsistent behavior in the past using every package tool to install kernel updates. -jef From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Fri Oct 8 17:16:16 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:16:16 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:39:24 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > We can expect that new kernels are better (bug or security fix). We _hope_ that it's true, but we cannot rely on it, and certainly not enough to make a new kernel the default for everyone. > At that time, new installed kernel are not the default. > > $ rpm -q --scripts kernel > .... > /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.6.8-1.603 > > Why ? > > With FC3, grub show only the default kernel. If you don't take care, you > can boot with a old kernel (which have a security issue). Then do take care during reboot. > Editing /boog/grub/grub.conf should be require only if something goes > wrong. No. Unattended, accidental or unexpected reboots would boot the new kernel automatically, which might not be desired. -- Fedora Core release 2.91 (FC3 Test 2) - Linux 2.6.8-1.598 loadavg: 3.50 3.18 2.28 From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 8 17:23:55 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:23:55 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097255197.11977.2.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255197.11977.2.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1097256235.18267.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 08 octobre 2004 ? 18:06 +0100, Douglas Furlong a ?crit : > If you use YUM to update your kernel then the new kernel is the default > kernel. I use yum and new kernel (kernel are not updated :-)) are not default. Are you talking about up2date ? > > When you use RPM the old kernel is the default. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 8 17:36:27 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:36:27 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1097256987.18267.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 08 octobre 2004 ? 19:16 +0200, Michael Schwendt a ?crit : > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:39:24 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > With FC3, grub show only the default kernel. If you don't take care, you > > can boot with a old kernel (which have a security issue). > > Then do take care during reboot. I will remove yum. It more fun to take care about updates than letting some elsewhere doing this automatically (which sometimes breaking my system). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From joe.borne at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 17:43:57 2004 From: joe.borne at gmail.com (Joe Borne) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:43:57 -0400 Subject: xmms suddenly stopped working? mid-song? In-Reply-To: <20041008160036.96CA074F97@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041008160036.96CA074F97@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <10503aff041008104324d8317@mail.gmail.com> I was sitting at my fedora box last night when suddenly xmms cut out in mid song. It began displaying the messgae that it was unable to access the sound card, possibly because some other application may be using it. I looked in my setup to see what devices were listed and all I have is "default" and a device listed a "0,0". Neither work. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? Joe From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 8 17:54:17 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum dependencies troubles In-Reply-To: <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097246638.10468.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097247236.3230.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <4983.12.29.16.103.1097258057.squirrel@whooper.org> seth vidal said: > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:10, Lars wrote: > >> anyone can tell what the package rpmdb-fedora actually does? i know it >> has a copy of all rpms, but my system behaves the same with or wihout >> it. so im asking myself for a long time whats the need of it? >> > > It's not used for yum at all anymore. > > > IT used to make it quicker to get a hold of some of the older headers. Isn't it still needed for using "--redhatprovides" and "--redhatrequires" with the rpm command? Not sure if it helps with "--aid" also or not. -- William Hooper From tatxe at saladelfrio.com Fri Oct 8 18:23:14 2004 From: tatxe at saladelfrio.com (Tatxe) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:23:14 +0200 Subject: Evolution does not remove old mail In-Reply-To: <1097252644.18267.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097252644.18267.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097259794.4990.0.camel@iglu.saladelfrio.com> El vie, 08-10-2004 a las 18:24 +0200, Matias F?liciano escribi?: > With pop3, evolution does not remove old mail : > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134684 > Anyone else to confirm this bug It works on my machine.... ______________________________________________ Saludos desde este marco incomparable. Tatxe en http://www.saladelfrio.com No madruges para ma?ana lo que puedas sobar hoy From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 8 18:44:56 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:44:56 -0400 Subject: Yum dependencies troubles In-Reply-To: <4983.12.29.16.103.1097258057.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097246638.10468.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097247236.3230.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <4983.12.29.16.103.1097258057.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1097261096.10468.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 13:54, William Hooper wrote: > seth vidal said: > > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:10, Lars wrote: > > > >> anyone can tell what the package rpmdb-fedora actually does? i know it > >> has a copy of all rpms, but my system behaves the same with or wihout > >> it. so im asking myself for a long time whats the need of it? > >> > > > > It's not used for yum at all anymore. > > > > > > IT used to make it quicker to get a hold of some of the older headers. > > Isn't it still needed for using "--redhatprovides" and "--redhatrequires" > with the rpm command? Not sure if it helps with "--aid" also or not. It is still used for those - but it's not used for YUM at all. That's all I said. -sv From jharnish at ci.grand-rapids.mi.us Fri Oct 8 18:52:42 2004 From: jharnish at ci.grand-rapids.mi.us (Harnish, Joe) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:52:42 -0400 Subject: New Application requests Message-ID: <221C759285B78647AEE6181FD6AF36A70D7AF983@bambi.grand-rapids.mi.us> I've been looking around for where to post this but I am coming up empty so I will post it here. (Please let me know if there is a better place for this). The new Application I would like to see included (fc3 might be to close to add it) is: Nvu - http://www.nvu.com/ Thanks Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 8 18:56:49 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:56:49 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:39, Matias F?liciano wrote: > We can expect that new kernels are better (bug or security fix). > > At that time, new installed kernel are not the default. > > $ rpm -q --scripts kernel > ... > /sbin/new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --depmod --install 2.6.8-1.603 > > Why ? > > With FC3, grub show only the default kernel. If you don't take care, you > can boot with a old kernel (which have a security issue). > > Editing /boog/grub/grub.conf should be require only if something goes > wrong. Okay here's how it is. in yum 2.0.X if a new kernel was installed then after the transaction completed yum would edit the grub.conf or the lilo.conf to make the new kernel the default. In yum 2.1.X this feature is not turned on. I've been working on other code and I've not had a chance to wire it together. I'd like to implement some code called Xtrigger that menno smits wrote that will allow for more flexible post-install operations anyway. It's just a matter of available time. If it's critical I can re-wire the old code in place but it's not been on the top of my list. -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 8 18:58:20 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:58:20 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097256987.18267.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097256987.18267.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097261900.10468.49.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 13:36, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le vendredi 08 octobre 2004 ? 19:16 +0200, Michael Schwendt a ?crit : > > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:39:24 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > With FC3, grub show only the default kernel. If you don't take care, you > > > can boot with a old kernel (which have a security issue). > > > > Then do take care during reboot. > > I will remove yum. It more fun to take care about updates than letting > some elsewhere doing this automatically (which sometimes breaking my > system). > > ______________________________________________________________________ on yum 2.0.X you could disable this behavior with modifybootloader=0 in the [main] section of your yum.conf -sv From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 8 19:36:50 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum dependencies troubles In-Reply-To: <1097261096.10468.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097246638.10468.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097247236.3230.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <4983.12.29.16.103.1097258057.squirrel@whooper.org> <1097261096.10468.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <2946.12.29.16.103.1097264210.squirrel@whooper.org> seth vidal said: [snip] > It is still used for those - but it's not used for YUM at all. > > > That's all I said. Sorry, didn't mean to imply you said more. Poor choice of wording on my part. -- William Hooper From alan at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 19:46:42 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:46:42 -0400 Subject: xmms suddenly stopped working? mid-song? In-Reply-To: <10503aff041008104324d8317@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041008160036.96CA074F97@hormel.redhat.com> <10503aff041008104324d8317@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041008194642.GA19867@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 01:43:57PM -0400, Joe Borne wrote: > I was sitting at my fedora box last night when suddenly xmms cut out > in mid song. It began displaying the messgae that it was unable to > access the sound card, possibly because some other application may be > using it. I looked in my setup to see what devices were listed and all > I have is "default" and a device listed a "0,0". Neither work. Peculiar. > Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? First see if the sound driver is loaded, and dmesg shows errors. If not then see if fuser can tell you who is used the audio subsystem. From tony at immunix.com Fri Oct 8 20:41:01 2004 From: tony at immunix.com (Tony Jones) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:41:01 -0700 Subject: upgrade / laptop issues Message-ID: <20041008204101.GA5373@immunix.com> Two distinct issues here (but alas related): 1) I installed FC3T1. fedora/linux/core/test/2.90 A long time ago. I noticed that the laptop I installed would tend to power off (not a shutdown, just totally power off without warning) after a few hours of console idle (didn't matter if there were remote ssh connections active). I'm thinking FC3 may be trying to do some form of power management. Can I change the config somehow? The laptop is a Dell Inspiron 5100 (bios A29) and I don't see anything in BIOS/setup related to power management but I'm also not very familiar with the laptop. 2) I finally, after nearly a month of beating on up2date and yum I got an upgrade running. After fixing deps manually, I finally gave up on up2date as it wanted me to manually confirm for each rpm that it was ok for it to not have a valid signature. Grief. Yum would keep generating index exceptions (nice error) until I manually created a new yum.conf pointing to an alternate d/l locatiom. With this, finally, success ..... # yum -y -c yum.conf --obsolete update It downloaded all the headers, got past deps, downloaded all the rpms and started installing them ..... and then powered off (#1) above :-( I was logged on via a remote ssh into a screen session when it went south. Output was: ... ... gimp-data-extras 100 % done 1003/2474 gimp-print-plugin 100 % done 1004/2474 gimp-devel 100 % done 1005/2474 rhythmbox 100 % done 1006/2474 [Invalid UTF-8] Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/net-xfig.desktop': +desktop entry contain line +'Comment[ja]=\xa5\xc9\xa5\xed\xa1\xbc\xa5\xc4\xa1\xbc\xa5\xebxfig' which is not +UTF-8 gnome-bluetooth 100 % done 1007/2474 gnome-games 100 % done 1008/2474 Read from remote host dhcp-240: Connection timed out Connection to dhcp-240 closed. Now, if I try another yum (same cmd line as above) things seem badly borked. [root at dhcp-240 tony]# yum -y -c yum.conf --obsolete update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files developmen: ################################################## 3423/3423 Excluding Packages Excluding Incompatible Archs Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora Core 2.90 - Development Tree Resolving Dependencies Error: Requiring package xorg-x11-Xvfb-6.7.0-6.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package iiimf-le-xcin-0.1.5-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package xorg-x11-twm-6.7.0-6.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package iiimf-gtk-11.4-64.svn1772.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package koffice-i18n-1.3.2-1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-devel-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: udev conflicts: mkinitrd<= 0:4.1.11-1 Error: Requiring package kdenetwork-devel-3.2.3-2.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdebase-devel-3.2.3-1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-xmlrpc-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package xorg-x11-devel-6.7.0-6.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package gnome-python2-canvas-2.0.0-6.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package iiimf-server-11.4-64.svn1772.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-ncurses-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdepim-devel-3.2.3-1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-mbstring-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-imap-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-pear-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-ldap-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdeartwork-icons-3.2.3-1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package xorg-x11-xfs-6.7.0-6.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-domxml-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdegraphics-devel-3.2.3-1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-odbc-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdeedu-devel-3.2.3-1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdemultimedia-devel-3.2.3-2.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package xorg-x11-Xnest-6.7.0-6.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package gnome-python2-gconf-2.0.0-6.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdesdk-devel-3.2.3-1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-snmp-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-gd-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package php-pgsql-4.3.7-4.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package katana-build-1.0.4-4.noarch not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kdebindings-devel-3.2.3-2.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb ANY SUGGESTIONS? Clearly I need to solve the problem of it powering off immediately, but after this, is there an alternate to a total reinstall from ISO? This is my yum info in case it matters: [root at dhcp-240 tony]# rpm -qa | grep yum yum-2.1.3-1 [root at dhcp-240 tony]# rpm -qa | grep python-2 python-2.3.4-10 libxml2-python-2.6.11-1 python-2.3.4-4 [root at dhcp-240 tony]# cat yum.conf [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=fedora-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 [development] name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree baseurl=http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/i386 Thanks Tony From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 21:33:08 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:33:08 +0100 Subject: Can't boot the new kernel Message-ID: When I try to boot with 2.6.8-1.598 the PC hangs as soon as the boot process turns graphical. I haven't had any problems with the previous kernel (541). I'm using an Intel D865GLC motherboard and using the on-board graphics (Extreme Graphics 2) and sound (Analog Devices AD1985 codec). Anyone else seeing this? From jvdias at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 21:43:08 2004 From: jvdias at redhat.com (Jason Vas Dias) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:43:08 -0400 Subject: Can't boot the new kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097271787.2574.16.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> Yes, I just raised bug 135134 about this - please append any further details you may have to this bug. If you remove the 'rhgb' boot option, or give the -s option, it boots fine. You can change the boot options by quickly pressing 'a' on the first boot (grub) screen. On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 17:33, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > When I try to boot with 2.6.8-1.598 the PC hangs as soon as the boot > process turns graphical. I haven't had any problems with the previous > kernel (541). I'm using an Intel D865GLC motherboard and using the > on-board graphics (Extreme Graphics 2) and sound (Analog Devices > AD1985 codec). > > Anyone else seeing this? From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 8 22:01:25 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:01:25 -0600 Subject: libgda for x86_64 Message-ID: <20041008160125.A28845@mail.harddata.com> Who is taking care of a content of rawhide? It looks like of x86_64 a new libgda-1.0.4-3 got i386 binaries while x86_64 are really needed. 'up2date' claims that "libgda-1.0.4-3:1" is availalble while this is not really the case for x86_64 on every mirror I peeked. Michal From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 8 22:09:55 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:09:55 -0400 Subject: Can't boot the new kernel In-Reply-To: <1097271787.2574.16.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> References: <1097271787.2574.16.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41671033.1060707@speakeasy.net> Just rebooted after the updates today -- no problem with kernel (603) or rhgb. Two machines one with an nVidia card using the nv open source driver and the other is a laptop with a Radeon Mobility. Only thing I do is make sure that if I get a udev update I run udevstart before the reboot. Any weirdness out of dmesg? Andrew Jason Vas Dias wrote: >Yes, I just raised bug 135134 about this - please >append any further details you may have to this bug. > >If you remove the 'rhgb' boot option, or give the -s >option, it boots fine. > >You can change the boot options by quickly pressing >'a' on the first boot (grub) screen. > >On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 17:33, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > >>When I try to boot with 2.6.8-1.598 the PC hangs as soon as the boot >>process turns graphical. I haven't had any problems with the previous >>kernel (541). I'm using an Intel D865GLC motherboard and using the >>on-board graphics (Extreme Graphics 2) and sound (Analog Devices >>AD1985 codec). >> >>Anyone else seeing this? >> >> > > > From ernesto at ornl.gov Fri Oct 8 22:13:03 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:13:03 -0400 Subject: Can't boot the new kernel Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B51BC25@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:10 PM To: jvdias at redhat.com; For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Re: Can't boot the new kernel Just rebooted after the updates today -- no problem with kernel (603) or rhgb. Two machines one with an nVidia card using the nv open source driver and the other is a laptop with a Radeon Mobility. Only thing I do is make sure that if I get a udev update I run udevstart before the reboot. Does one really have to run "udevstart"? Is that recommended? Any weirdness out of dmesg? Andrew Jason Vas Dias wrote: >Yes, I just raised bug 135134 about this - please >append any further details you may have to this bug. > >If you remove the 'rhgb' boot option, or give the -s >option, it boots fine. > >You can change the boot options by quickly pressing >'a' on the first boot (grub) screen. > >On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 17:33, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > >>When I try to boot with 2.6.8-1.598 the PC hangs as soon as the boot >>process turns graphical. I haven't had any problems with the previous >>kernel (541). I'm using an Intel D865GLC motherboard and using the >>on-board graphics (Extreme Graphics 2) and sound (Analog Devices >>AD1985 codec). >> >>Anyone else seeing this? >> >> > > > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jvdias at redhat.com Fri Oct 8 22:15:25 2004 From: jvdias at redhat.com (Jason Vas Dias) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:15:25 -0400 Subject: Can't boot the new kernel In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B51BC25@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B51BC25@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <1097273725.2574.24.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> It appears to be a problem with the i915 agp driver . Booting with either 'agp=off' or no 'rhgb' option works fine. On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 18:13, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:10 PM > To: jvdias at redhat.com; For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Subject: Re: Can't boot the new kernel > > Just rebooted after the updates today -- no problem with kernel (603) or > > rhgb. Two machines one with an nVidia card using the nv open source > driver and the other is a laptop with a Radeon Mobility. Only thing I > do is make sure that if I get a udev update I run udevstart before the > reboot. > > Does one really have to run "udevstart"? Is that recommended? > > > > > Any weirdness out of dmesg? > > Andrew > > > Jason Vas Dias wrote: > > >Yes, I just raised bug 135134 about this - please > >append any further details you may have to this bug. > > > >If you remove the 'rhgb' boot option, or give the -s > >option, it boots fine. > > > >You can change the boot options by quickly pressing > >'a' on the first boot (grub) screen. > > > >On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 17:33, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > > > > >>When I try to boot with 2.6.8-1.598 the PC hangs as soon as the boot > >>process turns graphical. I haven't had any problems with the previous > >>kernel (541). I'm using an Intel D865GLC motherboard and using the > >>on-board graphics (Extreme Graphics 2) and sound (Analog Devices > >>AD1985 codec). > >> > >>Anyone else seeing this? > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From ernesto at ornl.gov Fri Oct 8 22:18:52 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:18:52 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B51BC26@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Hi I have a desktop (FC3T2) that was updated from rawhide a couple of weeks ago. However, during the install phase some package install failed and everything was not completed. So, now the machine reboots itself over and over again. I tried to get myself into init level 3 or even single user mode (but still reboots again and again). Nothing is working for me. I can get a "grub" prompt. Any recommendations out there? How to recover? Thanks, Ernesto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevymac at yahoo.com Fri Oct 8 22:28:33 2004 From: kevymac at yahoo.com (Kevin McConnell) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B51BC26@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <20041008222833.48482.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Williams Jr, Ernest L." wrote: > I can get a "grub" prompt. Any recommendations out > there? How to > recover? you can get to regular files via the grub prompt. Try checking out your /etc/inittab first to see if your default runlevel is set to 6. ===== Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- Freedom in software, now freedom in life. http://www.freestateproject.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From reader at newsguy.com Fri Oct 8 22:57:20 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:57:20 -0500 Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots In-Reply-To: <20041008222833.48482.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> (Kevin McConnell's message of "Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20041008222833.48482.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin McConnell writes: > --- "Williams Jr, Ernest L." wrote: > >> I can get a "grub" prompt. Any recommendations out >> there? How to >> recover? > > you can get to regular files via the grub prompt. Try > checking out your /etc/inittab first to see if your > default runlevel is set to 6. Sorry to butt in here but this caught my attention since I've tried repeatedly to view files from grub. Can you be a little more specific? Viewing the commands available to grub I don't see which one might allow me to view a file. From joelbryanster at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 23:36:38 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:36:38 -0700 Subject: New Application requests In-Reply-To: <221C759285B78647AEE6181FD6AF36A70D7AF983@bambi.grand-rapids.mi.us> References: <221C759285B78647AEE6181FD6AF36A70D7AF983@bambi.grand-rapids.mi.us> Message-ID: WYSIWYG editors have the tendency to make the code unorganize, sometimes duplicates in the code occurs, I still prefer Bluefish for PHP, HTML, code. > > > > I've been looking around for where to post this but I am coming up empty so > I will post it here. (Please let me know if there is a better place for > this). > > The new Application I would like to see included (fc3 might be to close to > add it) is: > Nvu - http://www.nvu.com/ > > Thanks > > Joe > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From jonathansavage at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 23:43:58 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:43:58 -0700 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: <4166C3EE.300@incentre.net> References: <7765304D6601F948916FDCB9AD3878EE39729D@ftces1.fidelitytech.com> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <2ad7cea104100716463c8d45ff@mail.gmail.com> <4166C3EE.300@incentre.net> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104100816435d04a291@mail.gmail.com> > I knew Fedora was a cutting edge distribution, but so far it has been > more an adventure. Ever since RH 8.0, Quality Assurance has gone down > hill on the entire desktop line of RH distributions. That said, I still > prefer to > use Fedora over the other distributions I have tried. On my Fedora > machine at work, I don't upgrade anything until I have tested it at home. Actually I've experienced *no* significant problems with either of the stable fedora releases. My primary workstation @ home & one of our business laptops are quite happily running w/ nightly yum updates enabled. The other business laptop is currently running FC3 T2 and has suffered remarkably little borkage thus far, in fact I do the greater part of my work on it (back up anything that I care about daily though). For obvious reasons I have nightly yum disabled on this machine though. This works out well for me since using core X test X on a daily basis for my day-to-day tasks ensures that I am both well informed of any migration issues / changes, pitfalls etc. and adaquately test the stuff I care about and need to have working if I wish to continue to use fedora moving forward. I co-administer a *herd* of win 2K servers @ my day job & we *never* apply any patches to the production servers w/o testing on a dev server first. That is, IMHO, a best practice that applies to any mission critical machine whether it is a workstation or server completely independent of OS. -- Bests, Jon From fedora at andrewfarris.com Fri Oct 8 23:54:31 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:54:31 -0700 Subject: New Application requests In-Reply-To: <221C759285B78647AEE6181FD6AF36A70D7AF983@bambi.grand-rapids.mi.us> References: <221C759285B78647AEE6181FD6AF36A70D7AF983@bambi.grand-rapids.mi.us> Message-ID: <1097279672.5766.4.camel@CirithUngol> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 14:52 -0400, Harnish, Joe wrote: > > I've been looking around for where to post this but I am coming up > empty so I will post it here. (Please let me know if there is a > better place for this). > > The new Application I would like to see included (fc3 might be to > close to add it) is: > Nvu - http://www.nvu.com/ > > Thanks > > Joe It looks like a great tool, especially for people new to web programming. It should be packaged and submitted to Fedora Extras, where if it is well used and well packaged.. it can be included into Fedora later. Bluefish (which is very stable and pretty mature featurewise) is still in Extras and not core yet. http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy If you are unable to package the software yourself, it would be beneficial for you (obviously interested in it) to ask around and see if you can get a packager interested. Offering to help QA it for them will probably help. From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sat Oct 9 00:11:20 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:11:20 -0700 Subject: New kernel 2.6.8-1.598 and Nvidia In-Reply-To: References: <1097225856.5366.25.camel@iglu.saladelfrio.com> Message-ID: <1097280680.5766.13.camel@CirithUngol> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:33 +0200, Lars wrote: > a lot of people with kernel > 2.6.9-rc2-bk3 > had this problem i think. > here http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers > is the patched one that should work ok. > > best > lars > This does work with kernel-2.6.8-1.603 ( Rebase to 2.6.9-rc3-bk7 ) as well, it is making a simple change to the driver source file 'nv.c' to define the symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE. More info is around sources like the gentoo forums and nvnews.net forums. This is a dirty hack and nvidia will have to change the way they interact with the kernel later, till then we deal with it this way. This method should continue to work, but I think so far its unclear whether it will cause issues for some systems. > > Tatxe wrote: > > > I was upgraded to the new kernel but I can't compile the Nvidia driver > > for the new kernel. > > > > The error message was: "No kernel-source found" > > > > What I'm doing wrong? > > > > I was looking in bugzilla but I cant' find anything > > From Lionel.Bouton at inet6.fr Sat Oct 9 00:20:25 2004 From: Lionel.Bouton at inet6.fr (Lionel Bouton) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:20:25 +0200 Subject: caching nameserver not always working? status: SERVFAIL In-Reply-To: <1097245150.2574.3.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> References: <1097231387.4229.34.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <1097245150.2574.3.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41672EC9.6030402@inet6.fr> Jason Vas Dias wrote the following on 10/08/2004 04:19 PM : >Hi - >You may need to uncomment the 'query-source' >line in the named.conf that comes with >caching-nameserver, ie: > >'options { ... > query-source address * port 53; > ... >}; >' >This will make named use port 53 for queries >it sends to other nameservers - otherwise, >any available port will be used, which may be >blocked by your firewall. > Be aware that some (really dumb) firewall administrators incorrectly prevent connections to TCP ports from ports < 1024. My domain was cut from a big chunk of the Internet (redhat and kernel.org for instance) just a week ago due to a new "best practice" applied to our firewall rules without warning. Finding the cause was quite a little adventure... tcptraceroute (dag repository) may be used (with -p) to check what the firewall rules do before using query-source. From ernesto at ornl.gov Sat Oct 9 00:28:55 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:28:55 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA83B@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Harry Putnam Sent: Fri 10/8/2004 6:57 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: Re: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots Kevin McConnell writes: > --- "Williams Jr, Ernest L." wrote: > >> I can get a "grub" prompt. Any recommendations out >> there? How to >> recover? > > you can get to regular files via the grub prompt. Try > checking out your /etc/inittab first to see if your > default runlevel is set to 6. Sorry to butt in here but this caught my attention since I've tried repeatedly to view files from grub. Can you be a little more specific? Viewing the commands available to grub I don't see which one might allow me to view a file. ========================= I am certainly having a problem here as well. I don't know how to view or edit a file at the grub prompt. Can you provide an example? -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 00:46:03 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:46:03 -0700 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410081746111f71ec@mail.gmail.com> > Okay here's how it is. > > in yum 2.0.X if a new kernel was installed then after the transaction > completed yum would edit the grub.conf or the lilo.conf to make the new > kernel the default. > > In yum 2.1.X this feature is not turned on. I've been working on other > code and I've not had a chance to wire it together. I'd like to > implement some code called Xtrigger that menno smits wrote that will > allow for more flexible post-install operations anyway. It's just a > matter of available time. > > If it's critical I can re-wire the old code in place but it's not been > on the top of my list. OK I'm confused since I yum upgraded to kernel 2.6.8-1.598 (among other things) last night using yum 2.1.X and grub defaulted to the newer kernel. So either I completely misunderstood the above information or yum is misbehaving, at least as defined by the rules Seth outlined above. BTW I *like* booting to the newer kernel, I can always fall back the the older kernel if things get all wonky. -- Bests, Jon - From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Oct 9 03:15:15 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:15:15 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots In-Reply-To: References: <20041008222833.48482.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097291715.3487.1.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 17:57 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > Kevin McConnell writes: > > > --- "Williams Jr, Ernest L." wrote: > > > >> I can get a "grub" prompt. Any recommendations out > >> there? How to > >> recover? > > > > you can get to regular files via the grub prompt. Try > > checking out your /etc/inittab first to see if your > > default runlevel is set to 6. > > Sorry to butt in here but this caught my attention since I've tried > repeatedly to view files from grub. > > Can you be a little more specific? Viewing the commands available to > grub I don't see which one might allow me to view a file. Example: grub> find /etc/inittab (hd0,2) (hd2,2) grub> cat (hd2,2)/etc/inittab # # inittab This file describes how the INIT process should set up # the system in a certain run-level. # # Author: Miquel van Smoorenburg, # Modified for RHS Linux by Marc Ewing and Donnie Barnes # # Default runlevel. The runlevels used by RHS are: # 0 - halt (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # 1 - Single user mode # 2 - Multiuser, without NFS (The same as 3, if you do not have networking) # 3 - Full multiuser mode # 4 - unused # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # id:3:initdefault: # System initialization. si::sysinit:/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit [Hit return to continue] ... Phil From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Oct 9 03:22:33 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:22:33 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA83B@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA83B@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <1097292153.3487.5.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 20:28 -0400, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: ... > I am certainly having a problem here as well. > > I don't know how to view or edit a file at the grub prompt. > Can you provide an example? Now that's tough. Can edit grub menu entries/command-lines but not, to my knowledge, files on disk. Phil From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 9 03:23:05 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:23:05 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? Message-ID: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> How do I get the .src.rpm for the [603...or any new] kernel source? If memory serves me I need to install this and change some SPEC file defaults in order to build a kernel-sourcecode rpm. Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 9 03:34:20 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:34:20 -0400 Subject: Can't Add Contacts In Evolution Message-ID: <1097292860.3788.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> When I click the Contacts button in Evolution 2.0.1 in FC3T2 an error message results: Error loading addressbook. We were unable to open this addressbook. Please check that the path exists and that you have permission to access it. From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Oct 9 03:35:31 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:35:31 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1097292932.3487.13.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 14:56 -0400, seth vidal wrote: ... > Okay here's how it is. And we would expect this to be the definitive answer. :-) > > in yum 2.0.X if a new kernel was installed then after the transaction > completed yum would edit the grub.conf or the lilo.conf to make the new > kernel the default. Except, IIRC, if a custom kernel was installed, in which case the default did not change. > In yum 2.1.X this feature is not turned on. I've been working on other > code and I've not had a chance to wire it together. I'd like to > implement some code called Xtrigger that menno smits wrote that will > allow for more flexible post-install operations anyway. It's just a > matter of available time. > > If it's critical I can re-wire the old code in place but it's not been > on the top of my list. My $0.02 is that it is important to have consistent well-documented behavior. Can live with either default as long as I know what to expect. Always check grub.conf to be sure, particularly in a test release. Looking forward to Xtrigger. Phil From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 03:42:58 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:42:58 -0700 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097292932.3487.13.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097292932.3487.13.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <2ad7cea1041008204229c158a5@mail.gmail.com> > My $0.02 is that it is important to have consistent well-documented > behavior. Can live with either default as long as I know what to > expect. Concur with that. To further muddy the waters after today's yum update fest grub defaulted to the older kernel rather than to 2.6.8-1.603 (BTW the 603 kernel is working fine so far). Bests Jon From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Oct 9 03:50:30 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:50:30 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <1097293830.3487.21.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 23:23 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > How do I get the .src.rpm for the [603...or any new] kernel source? If > memory serves me I need to install this and change some SPEC file > defaults in order to build a kernel-sourcecode rpm. Watch for line-wraps... $ lftp http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/ [ ... or your favorite neighborhood mirror ... ] cd ok, cwd=/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development> dir drwxr-xr-x -- .. drwxr-xr-x - 2004-10-07 07:42 SRPMS drwxr-xr-x - 2004-10-07 07:43 headers drwxr-xr-x - 2004-10-07 07:32 i386 drwxr-xr-x - 2004-10-06 07:20 x86_64 -rw-r--r-- 3.0K 2003-11-04 11:23 README lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development> cd SRPMS/ cd ok, cwd=/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel- kernel-2.6.8-1.541.src.rpm kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm kernel-utils-2.4-13.1.27.src.rpm lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm As to editing the spec file, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134800 if building as a user - highly advised. Haven't checked to see if any fixes are in on this one in latest kernel. For more details/advice see recent fedora-devel-list threads. Phil From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Oct 9 04:04:37 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:04:37 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <1097293830.3487.21.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097293830.3487.21.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <1097294677.3487.25.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 23:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: ... > lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel- > kernel-2.6.8-1.541.src.rpm kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm kernel-utils-2.4-13.1.27.src.rpm > lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm OOPS - you said 603. 598 is the latest in rawhide and http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ seems to be gone. Haven't found where the pre-rawhide stuff is hiding these days. :-( Phil From reader at newsguy.com Sat Oct 9 04:09:27 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:09:27 -0500 Subject: Brakes on cusor and scroll speed. Message-ID: FC3t2 I'm noticing a phenomena here I hadn't noticed until recent updates. It only happens in X. The cursor movement like when backing up on the command line starts out fast but after some 10-15 moves it slows to about half or less. I see a similar phenomen when scrolling mozilla. First 10-12 lines move right by then the brakes come on and scrolling slows down to half or less. Same thing inside emacs etc etc. Anybody know what might be going here? Is this just a window manager thing that has changed. I'm running KDE for quite some time now. Currently 3.3.0 If I stop the movement, then restart. I get a fast burst again then slowing by half or more. Cursor or scroll. From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Sat Oct 9 04:15:55 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:15:55 -0400 Subject: gnome-volume-manager at high cpu In-Reply-To: <1097208453.5310.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097208453.5310.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097295355.5605.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 00:07 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > I noticed after loading a blank CD-R and then manually ejecting it > without writing to it, top showed the following: > > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 5293 kunkelc 25 0 20300 6636 16m R 93.5 0.6 15:38.99 gnome- > volume-ma > 6372 root 39 19 54684 45m 7084 R 7.8 4.5 442:15.21 > hadsm3um_4.04_i > 6619 root 39 19 18784 15m 2580 R 5.8 1.6 196:09.79 > setiathome_4.02 > 1 root 16 0 2400 572 1400 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.06 init > 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 > 3 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0 > 4 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1 > 5 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/1 > 6 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 events/0 > 7 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 events/1 > 8 root 5 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper > 9 root 15 -10 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid > > gnome-volume-manager continued to take up cpu > 90%. I killed the > process and repeated with the same results. Is this normal? I haven't > seen gnome-volume-manager in top before this effort. I am new to Linux > and don't know how to debug this or do any traces. > I figured out what happened to cause this, but not why. Moving on. Thanks. -- Clyde Kunkel FedoraCore 3 Test 2 on an ASUS P4C800-E From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Oct 9 04:30:53 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:30:53 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <1097294677.3487.25.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097293830.3487.21.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1097294677.3487.25.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <1097296253.3487.28.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:04 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 23:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > ... > > lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel- > > kernel-2.6.8-1.541.src.rpm kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm kernel-utils-2.4-13.1.27.src.rpm > > lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm > > OOPS - you said 603. 598 is the latest in rawhide and > http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ seems to be gone. Haven't found > where the pre-rawhide stuff is hiding these days. Doubly-replying to myself - bad-bad-bad. Answer is on fedora-devel- list. Guess social engineering is verboten... > From: Dave Jones > * To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core devel-list redhat com> > * Subject: Re: Current rawhide kernel? > * Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:09:04 -0400 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 03:15:23PM +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > > > > Somehow I am running kernel-2.6.8-1.590, I got this from rawhide maybe a > > > > week ago. Then the kernel version went back to .541. > > > .590 was bad aparently, and causes zillions of selinux warnings. > > It worked fine for me, but I've got selinux disabled, anyway. > > > > May I ask what happened to Arjan's kernel workbench > > (http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/) ? > > In short: I'm building the Fedora kernels again. > What you find in the development tree should always be the latest > and greatest. > > Dave > From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 9 04:39:33 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:39:33 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <41676B85.4080505@speakeasy.net> Hi, The change I make to the .spec are not a whole lot, -- I have played with adding other patches etc, but usually I just need to add NTFS. Here's what I change in the spec %define buildsmp 1 to %define buildsmp 0 (from 1 since I don't have an smp machine so I don't waste the time building it) obviously if you need smp you wouldn't do that. Also you want to make sure your changes to .config files include both the .config and -smp.config files. (see below) %define rhbsys %([ -r /etc/beehive-root -o -n "%{?__beehive_build}" ] && echo || echo .`whoami`) to %define rhbsys %([ -r /etc/beehive-root -o -n "%{?__beehive_build}" ] && echo || echo .NTFS) since I don't want my name I want to know its NTFS -- You always what something there as you always want to be able to tell the real RH kernel from your own. and finally I update the change log to add something similar to %changelog * Fri Oct 8 2004 Andrew - Add NTFS RO Support ... Then I patch the ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES/kernel-2.6.8-i686.config with my --- kernel-2.6.8-i686.config.orig 2004-09-15 21:19:52.481902919 -0400 +++ kernel-2.6.8-i686.config 2004-09-15 21:22:35.087530759 -0400 @@ -2180,7 +2180,9 @@ CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE=437 CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="ascii" -# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set +CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m +# CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set +# CONFIG_NTFS_DEBUG is not set # # Pseudo filesystems Then I just to an cd ~/rpmbuild/SPECS rpmbuild -ba --target i686 kernel-2.6.spec >-/kernel-build.log 2>&1 (and watch it from an other terminal by doing a tail -f ~/kernel-build.log To get to the point where you can run a more normal make oldconfig make menuconfig instead of doing a patch to the kernel-2.6.8-[-smp].config files you would instead to the following cd ~/rpmbuild/SPECS rpmbuild -bp --target i696 kernel-2.6.spec Then you can drop into the ~/rpmbuild/BUILD/kernel-2.6.8/linux-2.6.8 and run those make {old,menu}config commands to generate the exact kernel config you want Although I never did this myself I think the way to finish the job form that point would be cd ~/rpmbuild/SPECS rpmbuild -bl --short-circuit --target i686 kernel-2.6.spec (I just took the resultant config - made a diff against the original and then use that to patch the kernel-2.6-[-smp}.config files, and then did a rpmbuild -ba ...) Andrew Robert L Cochran wrote: >How do I get the .src.rpm for the [603...or any new] kernel source? If >memory serves me I need to install this and change some SPEC file >defaults in order to build a kernel-sourcecode rpm. > >Thanks > >Bob Cochran >Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > > > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 9 04:40:07 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:40:07 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1097296807.6794.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 08 octobre 2004 ? 14:56 -0400, seth vidal a ?crit : > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:39, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Editing /boog/grub/grub.conf should be require only if something goes > > wrong. > > > Okay here's how it is. > > in yum 2.0.X if a new kernel was installed then after the transaction > completed yum would edit the grub.conf or the lilo.conf to make the new > kernel the default. > Just curious, why is this not done at rpm level ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 9 04:40:27 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:40:27 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <1097294677.3487.25.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097293830.3487.21.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1097294677.3487.25.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <41676BBB.9030409@speakeasy.net> Hmm, 603 is the latest rawhide at least from the kernel.org mirror. Its been available from at least via browser all day. (Friday). A yum update didn't do squat until after 17:00 EDT today (for me) even though the rawhide report post from the build system hit the -devel list before 08:30 EDT. I've actually already rebuilt the src.rpm for this to for NTFS for my dual booting laptop. FWIW I had no problems with building 521 541, 598 or 603 from src rpm. Yeah its sort of a bummer that Arjan supply that anymore ;-( Although if you look at the change log most of the last few updates have been coming from Dave Jones. Andrew Phil Schaffner wrote: >On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 23:50 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: >... > > >>lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel- >>kernel-2.6.8-1.541.src.rpm kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm kernel-utils-2.4-13.1.27.src.rpm >>lftp mirror.hiwaay.net:/redhat/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS> get kernel-2.6.8-1.598.src.rpm >> >> > >OOPS - you said 603. 598 is the latest in rawhide and >http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ seems to be gone. Haven't found >where the pre-rawhide stuff is hiding these days. > >:-( >Phil > > > > From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sat Oct 9 04:46:22 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:46:22 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <41676BBB.9030409@speakeasy.net> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097293830.3487.21.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1097294677.3487.25.camel@tabb1.tabb> <41676BBB.9030409@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1097297182.3487.31.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:40 -0400, Andrew wrote: > Hmm, 603 is the latest rawhide at least from the kernel.org mirror. Yup - see it's on the redhat site - looks like a mirror-sync issue. Perhaps time to change my favorite neighborhood mirror again. Phil From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 9 04:49:44 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:49:44 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <41676DE8.4090408@speakeasy.net> Hi, If you really want a the much debated sourcecode rpm you need to change the spec file like this %define buildsource 0 to %define buildsource 1 then do a the rpmbuild with a --target noarch *** you need to change that option inside the block that starts with %ifarch noarch otherwise it wont do really much for you. I have to say that I agree with the logic of you don't need the sourcecode rpm as you can do everything from the src.rpm or if you are just building new modules or drivers there the headers are included in the main .rpm Andrew Robert L Cochran wrote: >How do I get the .src.rpm for the [603...or any new] kernel source? If >memory serves me I need to install this and change some SPEC file >defaults in order to build a kernel-sourcecode rpm. > >Thanks > >Bob Cochran >Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > > > From terraformers at gmx.net Sat Oct 9 05:25:40 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 07:25:40 +0200 Subject: Yum dependencies troubles References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097246638.10468.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097247236.3230.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <4983.12.29.16.103.1097258057.squirrel@whooper.org> <1097261096.10468.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: thanks for answering! cheers lars seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 13:54, William Hooper wrote: >> seth vidal said: >> > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:10, Lars wrote: >> > >> >> anyone can tell what the package rpmdb-fedora actually does? i know it >> >> has a copy of all rpms, but my system behaves the same with or wihout >> >> it. so im asking myself for a long time whats the need of it? >> >> >> > >> > It's not used for yum at all anymore. >> > >> > >> > IT used to make it quicker to get a hold of some of the older headers. >> >> Isn't it still needed for using "--redhatprovides" and "--redhatrequires" >> with the rpm command? Not sure if it helps with "--aid" also or not. > > > It is still used for those - but it's not used for YUM at all. > > That's all I said. > -sv > > From terraformers at gmx.net Sat Oct 9 05:31:44 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 07:31:44 +0200 Subject: New Application requests References: <221C759285B78647AEE6181FD6AF36A70D7AF983@bambi.grand-rapids.mi.us> Message-ID: please count my vote for nvu in fedora extras! :) best lars Harnish, Joe wrote: > > I've been looking around for where to post this but I am coming up empty > so > I will post it here. (Please let me know if there is a better place for > this). > > The new Application I would like to see included (fc3 might be to close to > add it) is: > Nvu - http://www.nvu.com/ > > Thanks > > Joe From talbotscott at cox.net Sat Oct 9 07:25:35 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:25:35 -0700 Subject: Can't Add Contacts In Evolution In-Reply-To: <1097292860.3788.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097292860.3788.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <1097306735.4441.11.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 23:34 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > When I click the Contacts button in Evolution 2.0.1 in FC3T2 an error > message results: > > Error loading addressbook. > > We were unable to open this addressbook. Please check that the path > exists and that you have permission to access it. Works for me! I am owner of ~/.evolution with perms = 775 Same with all directories and the actual contacts database perms = 664 HTH Scott From spam at tachegroup.com Sat Oct 9 09:20:08 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 05:20:08 -0400 Subject: caching nameserver not always working? status: SERVFAIL In-Reply-To: <1097245150.2574.3.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, I am seeing behavior just like, and I thought it was an upstream ISP problem. It seemed to start about a week ago. on 10/08/2004 10:19 AM, Jason Vas Dias at jvdias at redhat.com wrote: > Hi - > You may need to uncomment the 'query-source' > line in the named.conf that comes with > caching-nameserver, ie: > > 'options { ... > query-source address * port 53; > ... > }; > ' > This will make named use port 53 for queries > it sends to other nameservers - otherwise, > any available port will be used, which may be > blocked by your firewall. > If this doesn't work please let me know. > Regards, > Jason Vas Dias > (bind & caching-nameserver maintainer, Red Hat) > > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 06:29, Marius Andreiana wrote: >> Hi >> >> With caching-nameserver from rawhide, not all hosts are resolved. I'm >> not sure if it's my fault or named's. >> /etc/resolv.conf has only the local machine IP: >> nameserver 81.196.83.211 >> #nameserver 193.231.236.17 >> #nameserver 193.231.236.10 >> >> iptables allows all traffic on port 53, but not others above 1000, as >> bind says it might use. >> >> Although old rpms were removed (/etc/named.conf gone) and rawhide's >> installed, rpm -V shows modified files: >> >> [root at marte var]# rpm -V bind-chroot caching-nameserver bind-libs >> .M...... /var/named/chroot/dev >> ....L... c /etc/named.conf >> ....LUG. c /var/named/localdomain.zone >> ....LUG. c /var/named/localhost.zone >> ....LUG. c /var/named/named.broadcast >> ....LUG. c /var/named/named.ca >> ....LUG. c /var/named/named.ip6.local >> ....LUG. c /var/named/named.local >> ....LUG. c /var/named/named.zero >> >> named.conf has >> // query-source address * port 53; >> should this be uncommented? >> >> Directory /var/named/data/ is empty. >> >> Problem: >> www.galuna.ro works, but marius.galuna.ro doesn't. Sometimes www doesn't >> work, but galuna.ro works. dig returns status: SERVFAIL >> Querying on ISP's nameserver works always. He's not hosting this site. >> >> >> [root at marte var]# dig www.galuna.ro >> >> ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> www.galuna.ro >> ;; global options: printcmd >> ;; Got answer: >> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 44828 >> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 >> >> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >> ;www.galuna.ro. IN A >> >> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >> www.galuna.ro. 344723 IN CNAME galuna.ro. >> galuna.ro. 344723 IN A 213.157.162.252 >> >> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: >> galuna.ro. 10630 IN NS ns1.galuna.ro. >> >> ;; Query time: 25 msec >> ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) >> ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:39 2004 >> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 79 >> >> [root at marte var]# dig marius.galuna.ro >> >> ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> marius.galuna.ro >> ;; global options: printcmd >> ;; Got answer: >> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 51278 >> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 >> >> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >> ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A >> >> ;; Query time: 23 msec >> ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) >> ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:43 2004 >> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 34 >> >> [root at marte var]# dig @193.231.236.17 marius.galuna.ro >> >> ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> @193.231.236.17 marius.galuna.ro >> ;; global options: printcmd >> ;; Got answer: >> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49067 >> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 9, ADDITIONAL: 9 >> >> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >> ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A >> >> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >> marius.galuna.ro. 172800 IN CNAME galuna.ro. >> galuna.ro. 172800 IN A 213.157.162.252 >> >> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: >> ro. 171353 IN NS NS1.UNIVIE.AC.AT. >> ro. 171353 IN NS SUNIC.SUNET.SE. >> ro. 171353 IN NS DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. >> ro. 171353 IN NS NS-EXT.VIX.COM. >> ro. 171353 IN NS PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. >> ro. 171353 IN NS SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. >> ro. 171353 IN NS NS.UU.NET. >> ro. 171353 IN NS NS.RIPE.NET. >> ro. 171353 IN NS NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. >> >> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: >> NS.UU.NET. 170151 IN A 137.39.1.3 >> NS.RIPE.NET. 169233 IN A 193.0.0.193 >> NS.RIPE.NET. 104651 IN AAAA 2001:610:240:0:53::193 >> NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. 170498 IN A 192.92.138.35 >> SUNIC.SUNET.SE. 170168 IN A 192.36.125.2 >> DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. 172719 IN A 81.91.161.76 >> NS-EXT.VIX.COM. 163522 IN A 204.152.184.64 >> PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. 169808 IN A 192.162.16.18 >> SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. 143759 IN A 193.230.31.225 >> >> ;; Query time: 89 msec >> ;; SERVER: 193.231.236.17#53(193.231.236.17) >> ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 12:28:57 2004 >> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 460 >> >> DNS check doesn't have major problems: >> http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=galuna.ro >> >> Restarting local named makes dig solve the request: >> >> ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> marius.galuna.ro >> ;; global options: printcmd >> ;; Got answer: >> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15587 >> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 >> >> ;; QUESTION SECTION: >> ;marius.galuna.ro. IN A >> >> ;; ANSWER SECTION: >> marius.galuna.ro. 345600 IN CNAME galuna.ro. >> galuna.ro. 345600 IN A 213.157.162.252 >> >> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: >> galuna.ro. 345600 IN NS ns1.galuna.ro. >> >> ;; Query time: 760 msec >> ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) >> ;; WHEN: Fri Oct 8 13:26:50 2004 >> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 82 >> >> Thanks >> -- >> Marius Andreiana >> Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania >> http://www.galuna.ro From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 9 12:06:11 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:06:11 -0400 Subject: Can't Add Contacts In Evolution In-Reply-To: <1097306735.4441.11.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1097292860.3788.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097306735.4441.11.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1097323571.3568.8.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> I'll check further, thanks. I'm using the x86_64 arch. Bob On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:25 -0700, Scott Talbot wrote: > Works for me! I am owner of ~/.evolution with perms = 775 Same with all > directories and the actual contacts database perms = 664 > > HTH > > Scott > From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 9 12:10:12 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:10:12 -0400 Subject: 603 kernel source? In-Reply-To: <1097297182.3487.31.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1097292185.3689.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097293830.3487.21.camel@tabb1.tabb> <1097294677.3487.25.camel@tabb1.tabb> <41676BBB.9030409@speakeasy.net> <1097297182.3487.31.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <1097323812.3568.11.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Thanks Phil and Andrew. I'll experiment and hopefully learn by doing. Bob On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:46 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:40 -0400, Andrew wrote: > > Hmm, 603 is the latest rawhide at least from the kernel.org mirror. > > Yup - see it's on the redhat site - looks like a mirror-sync issue. > Perhaps time to change my favorite neighborhood mirror again. > > Phil > > From manolo at miconexion.com Sat Oct 9 12:15:37 2004 From: manolo at miconexion.com (Manuel Moreno) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:15:37 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: problem with evolution2 and contacts...] Message-ID: <1097324137.4664.0.camel@mgmk7.mgmux.com> -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Manuel Moreno To: amd64-list at redhat.com Subject: problem with evolution2 and contacts... Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:43:34 +0100 evolution-2.0.1-2 on x86_64 when trying to open contacts ********** Error loading addressbook. We were unable to open this addressbook. Please check that the path exists and that you have permission to access it ********** It works ok on i386, though. -- Manuel Moreno -- Manuel Moreno From jorton at redhat.com Sat Oct 9 13:00:40 2004 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:00:40 +0100 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <3897.12.29.16.103.1097095765.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <3897.12.29.16.103.1097095765.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <20041009130040.GA31966@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:49:25PM -0400, William Hooper wrote: > > Thomas Zehetbauer said: > [snip] > > > > You are right, but I guess SuSE, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, Rock Linux > > and some more do have lawyers and they all come with MySQL 4. > > > > Without spending too much time researching it, I picked one: Debian. They > don't ship PHP linked against MySQL for (and I assume other non-GPL > programs aren't either). Instead they created a library package. This is an excellent plan for FC?4. Anyone want to spend a few minutes writing spec files rather than hours continuing this debate? I presume there are no issues having MySQL 3.x libraries talking to 4.x servers? > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libmysqlclient10 > > "This package contains a fork of the MySQL client library for use with > software that is distributed under a GPL-incompatible license. Because it > is based on an older, LGPL version of the official MySQL client library, > it may lack features available in the MySQL 4.0 libs. If you are looking > for a library for use in a GPL application, or in software which will not > be distributed by Debian, you may prefer to use the official library from > MySQL AB instead." > > Same idea, different way to approach it. Red Hat decided to stay with the > old version, Debian decided to ship two sets of libraries. > > -- > William Hooper > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From lynn at garlic.com Sat Oct 9 13:20:13 2004 From: lynn at garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 07:20:13 -0600 Subject: 603 (& 598) boot aborts with unable to load ext3 In-Reply-To: <20041009052530.A83B573497@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041009052530.A83B573497@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097328013.12608.11.camel@lhwlinux> both 603 & 598 boot aborts with message about unable to load ext3???? something file. previous kernel continues to boot. -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ From pmatilai at welho.com Sat Oct 9 14:04:39 2004 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:04:39 +0300 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097296807.6794.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097296807.6794.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097330679.13577.118.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 07:40, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le vendredi 08 octobre 2004 ? 14:56 -0400, seth vidal a ?crit : > > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:39, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > Editing /boog/grub/grub.conf should be require only if something goes > > > wrong. > > > > > > Okay here's how it is. > > > > in yum 2.0.X if a new kernel was installed then after the transaction > > completed yum would edit the grub.conf or the lilo.conf to make the new > > kernel the default. > > > > Just curious, why is this not done at rpm level ? Whether to default to new kernel which can be unwanted in certain situations or not is a policy question which doesn't belong to rpm level. Doesn't belong to depsolvers either. All we really need is something like /etc/sysconfig/kernel where you can put MAKEDEFAULT=yes|no and make new-kernel-pkg honor that, eg: --- new-kernel-pkg.orig 2004-10-09 16:35:56.000000000 +0300 +++ new-kernel-pkg 2004-10-09 16:43:37.403284208 +0300 @@ -22,6 +22,8 @@ grubby=/sbin/grubby fi +[ -f /etc/sysconfig/kernel ] && . /etc/sysconfig/kernel + cfgGrub="" cfgLilo="" runLilo="" @@ -87,6 +89,8 @@ return fi + [ "$MAKEDEFAULT" = "yes" ] && makedefault="--make-default" + INITRD="" if [ -f $initrdfile ]; then [ -n "$verbose" ] && echo "found $initrdfile and using it with grubby" - Panu - From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 9 14:16:53 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:16:53 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097330679.13577.118.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097296807.6794.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097330679.13577.118.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> Message-ID: <1097331413.21735.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 09 octobre 2004 ? 17:04 +0300, Panu Matilainen a ?crit : > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 07:40, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Le vendredi 08 octobre 2004 ? 14:56 -0400, seth vidal a ?crit : > > > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:39, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > > Editing /boog/grub/grub.conf should be require only if something goes > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > Okay here's how it is. > > > > > > in yum 2.0.X if a new kernel was installed then after the transaction > > > completed yum would edit the grub.conf or the lilo.conf to make the new > > > kernel the default. > > > > > > > Just curious, why is this not done at rpm level ? > > Whether to default to new kernel which can be unwanted in certain > situations or not is a policy question which doesn't belong to rpm > level. Doesn't belong to depsolvers either. +1 > All we really need is > something like /etc/sysconfig/kernel where you can put > MAKEDEFAULT=yes|no > and make new-kernel-pkg honor that, eg: > > --- new-kernel-pkg.orig 2004-10-09 16:35:56.000000000 +0300 > +++ new-kernel-pkg 2004-10-09 16:43:37.403284208 +0300 > @@ -22,6 +22,8 @@ > grubby=/sbin/grubby > fi > > +[ -f /etc/sysconfig/kernel ] && . /etc/sysconfig/kernel > + > cfgGrub="" > cfgLilo="" > runLilo="" > @@ -87,6 +89,8 @@ > return > fi > > + [ "$MAKEDEFAULT" = "yes" ] && makedefault="--make-default" > + > INITRD="" > if [ -f $initrdfile ]; then > [ -n "$verbose" ] && echo "found $initrdfile and using it with grubby" > > - Panu - > I like this. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sat Oct 9 14:45:31 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:45:31 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097330679.13577.118.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097296807.6794.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097330679.13577.118.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> Message-ID: <1097333131.4483.0.camel@binkley> > Whether to default to new kernel which can be unwanted in certain > situations or not is a policy question which doesn't belong to rpm > level. Doesn't belong to depsolvers either. All we really need is > something like /etc/sysconfig/kernel where you can put > MAKEDEFAULT=yes|no > and make new-kernel-pkg honor that, eg: > > --- new-kernel-pkg.orig 2004-10-09 16:35:56.000000000 +0300 > +++ new-kernel-pkg 2004-10-09 16:43:37.403284208 +0300 > @@ -22,6 +22,8 @@ > grubby=/sbin/grubby > fi > > +[ -f /etc/sysconfig/kernel ] && . /etc/sysconfig/kernel > + > cfgGrub="" > cfgLilo="" > runLilo="" > @@ -87,6 +89,8 @@ > return > fi > > + [ "$MAKEDEFAULT" = "yes" ] && makedefault="--make-default" > + > INITRD="" > if [ -f $initrdfile ]; then > [ -n "$verbose" ] && echo "found $initrdfile and using it with grubby" I'd agree here. This is one of the reasons why I've been trying to get that code out of yum and into user editable modules. -sv From pmatilai at welho.com Sat Oct 9 15:06:02 2004 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 18:06:02 +0300 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097333131.4483.0.camel@binkley> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097261809.10468.45.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097296807.6794.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097330679.13577.118.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> <1097333131.4483.0.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1097334362.13577.120.camel@chip.laiskiainen.org> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 17:45, seth vidal wrote: > > Whether to default to new kernel which can be unwanted in certain > > situations or not is a policy question which doesn't belong to rpm > > level. Doesn't belong to depsolvers either. All we really need is > > something like /etc/sysconfig/kernel where you can put > > MAKEDEFAULT=yes|no > > and make new-kernel-pkg honor that, eg: > > > > --- new-kernel-pkg.orig 2004-10-09 16:35:56.000000000 +0300 > > +++ new-kernel-pkg 2004-10-09 16:43:37.403284208 +0300 > > @@ -22,6 +22,8 @@ > > grubby=/sbin/grubby > > fi > > > > +[ -f /etc/sysconfig/kernel ] && . /etc/sysconfig/kernel > > + > > cfgGrub="" > > cfgLilo="" > > runLilo="" > > @@ -87,6 +89,8 @@ > > return > > fi > > > > + [ "$MAKEDEFAULT" = "yes" ] && makedefault="--make-default" > > + > > INITRD="" > > if [ -f $initrdfile ]; then > > [ -n "$verbose" ] && echo "found $initrdfile and using it with grubby" > > I'd agree here. This is one of the reasons why I've been trying to get > that code out of yum and into user editable modules. Yup. Don't put the code back, lets get this fixed where it belongs. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135161 - Panu - From reader at newsguy.com Sat Oct 9 15:42:02 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:42:02 -0500 Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots In-Reply-To: <1097291715.3487.1.camel@tabb1.tabb> (Phil Schaffner's message of "Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:15:15 -0400") References: <20041008222833.48482.qmail@web50506.mail.yahoo.com> <1097291715.3487.1.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: Phil Schaffner writes: [...] > grub> cat (hd2,2)/etc/inittab [...] Egad, as many times as I've looked thru the list produced by `help' at grub prompt... I have never noticed that `cat' was in there. Thanks. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Oct 9 16:03:17 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 18:03:17 +0200 Subject: FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions In-Reply-To: <1097006966.5765.12.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1096955018.3492.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1096999033.22477.7.camel@lionel-hutz.darnell.group> <1096999185.4161.9.camel@kyrre> <1097006966.5765.12.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097333982.2695.8.camel@kyrre> Usually, you just have to click it and it will ask if it don't know how to open'em. Then telling it to use "oocalc" WillFixIt tir, 05.10.2004 kl. 22.09 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz: > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 19:59 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > the .desktop's for the menu has as far as i know always lived in > > /usr/share/applications > > > > Thanks, Kyrre... that worked like a charm. Now I'm searching for how to > associate file extensions such as DOC/XLS with an application so that I > can double-click on a file and have it open in the right app. > > That used to be in File Associations in the GNOME Control Center IIRC, > but I can't find it. Many changes. > > Cheers, From ernesto at ornl.gov Sat Oct 9 16:06:12 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:06:12 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 system is in an infinite loop of reboots In-Reply-To: <1097292153.3487.5.camel@tabb1.tabb> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA83B@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> <1097292153.3487.5.camel@tabb1.tabb> Message-ID: <1097337972.13694.207.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 23:22 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 20:28 -0400, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: > ... > > I am certainly having a problem here as well. > > > > I don't know how to view or edit a file at the grub prompt. > > Can you provide an example? > > Now that's tough. Can edit grub menu entries/command-lines but not, to > my knowledge, files on disk. ==================== That is true. Grub does not let me write files. I can view files and I confirmed that my inittab was not using runlevel 6. I tried all the lower run level but could not get anywhere. Well, here is some good news: I was able to use the Fedora Rescue CD to recover. Thanks to the Fedora team for the rescue CD!!! After using the rescue CD to mount the file system, I ran the famous "udevstart" and all is well now. I am back to rawhide again to get in synch. I guess I will have to get used to seeing this udev, right? Thanks for all who helped. > > Phil > > From ernesto at ornl.gov Sat Oct 9 16:18:20 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:18:20 -0400 Subject: migrating to the new evolution Message-ID: <1097338701.23904.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am normally a heavy evolution user. What is the manual procedure to move an addressbook from an older version to the new version? I would also like to move some of my old e-mail folders into the new version of evolution. I used to have a directory: $(HOME)/evolution Now I have: $(HOME)/.evolution Any help is appreciated. From an037-0m26i at yahoo.com Sat Oct 9 16:29:36 2004 From: an037-0m26i at yahoo.com (Allen Kistler) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:29:36 -0500 Subject: Buffer I/O error on device sr0 Message-ID: <416811F0.4000707@yahoo.com> I used to think that the subject error in /var/log/messages dealt with sr_mod not being loaded by udev in initrd. Maybe it still is, but I notice that sr_mod is getting loaded by something now, because /dev/scd0 exists automatically. But I still get this error (see sample below). Possibly related is the fact that CD audio utilities can't seem to deal (completely) with audio CDs in my SCSI CD drive. ("It worked in FC2.") Data CDs appear to have no problems, but I haven't really tested thoroughly. Any ideas? kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 2 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 3 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 4 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 5 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 6 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 7 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 8 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 9 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 10 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 11 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 12 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 13 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 14 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 15 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 512 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 64 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 65 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 66 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 67 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 68 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 69 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 70 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 71 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 512 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 64 From soltowja at comcast.net Sat Oct 9 17:59:53 2004 From: soltowja at comcast.net (John Soltow (Sabre)) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:59:53 -0400 Subject: FC3T1 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot Message-ID: <41682719.70108@comcast.net> My 541 kernel continues to boot, but since "yum --obsoletes update", the 598 and 603 kernels fail. ======boot snippet from the 603 kernel====== - hand copied so apologies for errors/typos Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel Audit (1097327214.140:0): initialized Red hat nash version 4.1.14 starting insmod: error inserting '/lib/ext3.ko': -1 Unknown Symbol in module ERROR: /bin/insmod exiting normally! mount: error 19 mounting ext3 mount: error 2 mounting none switchroot: mount failed: 22 umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 Kernel Panic - not syncing Attempted to kill init ==========end boot snippet=============== First, ext3.ko is in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1.603/kernel/fs/ext3/ and not in /lib Can someone enlighten me as to what I've done wrong? As I said earlier, the 541 kernel works. Also, can someone tell me where to look for an explanation on the "Audit (xxxx) line and its meaning? Thanks, John From soltowja at comcast.net Sat Oct 9 18:07:15 2004 From: soltowja at comcast.net (John Soltow (Sabre)) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:07:15 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot - was "FC3T1 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot" In-Reply-To: <41682719.70108@comcast.net> References: <41682719.70108@comcast.net> Message-ID: <416828D3.8010904@comcast.net> Correction Subject line should have read FC3T2 vice FC3T1 John Soltow (Sabre) wrote: > My 541 kernel continues to boot, but since "yum --obsoletes > update", the 598 and 603 kernels fail. > > ======boot snippet from the 603 kernel====== - hand copied so > apologies for errors/typos > Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel > Audit (1097327214.140:0): initialized > Red hat nash version 4.1.14 starting > insmod: error inserting '/lib/ext3.ko': -1 Unknown Symbol in module > ERROR: /bin/insmod exiting normally! > mount: error 19 mounting ext3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 > Kernel Panic - not syncing Attempted to kill init > > > ==========end boot snippet=============== > > First, ext3.ko is in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1.603/kernel/fs/ext3/ and > not in /lib > > Can someone enlighten me as to what I've done wrong? As I said > earlier, the 541 kernel works. > > Also, can someone tell me where to look for an explanation on the > "Audit (xxxx) line and its meaning? > > Thanks, > John > From veillard at redhat.com Sat Oct 9 18:46:54 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:46:54 -0400 Subject: Files on Desktop In-Reply-To: <1097227682.3967.181.camel@greebo.homeip.net> References: <1097226135.3440.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097226638.6746.16.camel@localhost> <1097227682.3967.181.camel@greebo.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20041009184654.GA26548@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 11:28:02AM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > Another option is pressing ctrl-r on the desktop. > > However, this is really a bug in gamin. Which i believe has been fixed > in recent rawhide versions. right, try to make sure you have gamin version >= 0.0.14, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 9 18:48:41 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:48:41 +0100 Subject: 603 kernel problem with CDs and DVDs Message-ID: <1097347721.5774.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Just noticed when I'm trying to rip a disc that unless I'm logged in as su, I am not able to access either my DVD, DVDRW or CDRW drives for reading or writing. Anyone else seeing this? TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The initial installation installed kernel 2.6.7-1.478 and I upgraded the kernel with up2date to kernel 2.6.8-1.520 last night. The boot process is not how expect it to behave and the new kernel is not being loaded. I've rebooted a number of times and have tried to write everything down on paper so that I could document this issue. I haven't caught everything, so if I am missing something that you think is important, let me know and I'll keep booting until I get it all. Here's what I see. A quick flash that looks like Grub Stage 2 (not certain as it really flashes too quick to read it well). Root (hd0,0) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 kernel /vmlinux - 2.6.7-1.478 ro root= /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet [Linux -bz Image, setup=0x1400, size=0x148891] initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img [Linux-initrd @ 0x17f3a000,0xa5eba bytes] Uncompressing Linux..... OK, booting the kernel audit (1097336390.4294966319:0) initialized Red Hat Nash version 3.5.24 starting reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..... Found Volume group "VolGroup00" using media at the lvm2 (it think this is what this line says - I can't read my scribling well) I then get a full screen of what appears to be some type of hex dump like: 88 36 03 05 00 40 ed (and so on for at least 40 lines) After a few seconds the screen clears and the following is displayed: Fedora Core Release 2.90 (FC3 Test1) Linux 2.6.7-1.478 on an i686 localhost login: after a couple of seconds the screen clears and I get the Fedora Core Graphical login screen. Any ideas why the updated version of the kernel is not loading? Thanks. From varanava at takas.lt Sat Oct 9 23:16:25 2004 From: varanava at takas.lt (Andrius) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:16:25 +0100 Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup References: <1097352138.3505.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000701c4ae56$0046d8c0$0608020a@agraphic> You need to update your grub configuration (perhaps it didn't updated automatically). Go to /boot/grub and edit menu.lst. Change 2.6.7-1.478 to 2.6.8-1.520 everywhere you see this numbers (kernel..., initrd...). Do it with root permissions, save and reboot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hawkins" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup > I have FC3T2 installed on a PIII 450 mhz system. The initial > installation installed kernel 2.6.7-1.478 and I upgraded the kernel with > up2date to kernel 2.6.8-1.520 last night. The boot process is not how > expect it to behave and the new kernel is not being loaded. I've > rebooted a number of times and have tried to write everything down on > paper so that I could document this issue. I haven't caught everything, > so if I am missing something that you think is important, let me know > and I'll keep booting until I get it all. Here's what I see. > > > A quick flash that looks like Grub Stage 2 (not certain as it really > flashes too quick to read it well). > > Root (hd0,0) > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > kernel /vmlinux - 2.6.7-1.478 ro root= /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > quiet > [Linux -bz Image, setup=0x1400, size=0x148891] > initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img > [Linux-initrd @ 0x17f3a000,0xa5eba bytes] > > Uncompressing Linux..... OK, booting the kernel > audit (1097336390.4294966319:0) initialized > Red Hat Nash version 3.5.24 starting > reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..... > Found Volume group "VolGroup00" using media at the lvm2 (it think this > is what this line says - I can't read my scribling well) > I then get a full screen of what appears to be some type of hex dump > like: > > 88 36 03 05 00 40 ed (and so on for at least 40 lines) > > After a few seconds the screen clears and the following is displayed: > > Fedora Core Release 2.90 (FC3 Test1) > Linux 2.6.7-1.478 on an i686 > > localhost login: > > after a couple of seconds the screen clears and I get the Fedora Core > Graphical login screen. > > > Any ideas why the updated version of the kernel is not loading? > > Thanks. > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From kms at passback.co.uk Sat Oct 9 21:14:45 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:14:45 +0100 Subject: migrating to the new evolution In-Reply-To: <1097338701.23904.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097338701.23904.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097356485.30203.10.camel@animal> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 12:18 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > I am normally a heavy evolution user. > > What is the manual procedure to move an addressbook from an older > version to the new version? > > I would also like to move some of my old e-mail folders into the new > version of evolution. > > I used to have a directory: $(HOME)/evolution > Now I have: $(HOME)/.evolution The first time you run the new Evolution it should migrate everything for you. Once it has done the migration it asks if you want to automatically delete your old ${HOME}/evolution folder or would you like to do it later yourself. If this has not happened for you, then search back through the list for posts by Dave Malcolm of Red Hat who described how to change a value in GConf to force Evolution to try the migration again. Keith. From esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 21:21:12 2004 From: esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com (Gabriel Moreno) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:21:12 -0700 Subject: Up2date freezes or never finishes In-Reply-To: <85e4e9640410091207539d3884@mail.gmail.com> References: <85e4e9640410091207539d3884@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85e4e96404100914218519940@mail.gmail.com> I narrowed down what happens and submitted to bugzilla. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135177 On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:07:37 -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > Hi, > > I've launched up2date and only been able to update my system a couple > of times. It seems that when I want to update more than like 5 > packages it freezes on me or never finishes. I've left it working > over night and no luck. up2date seems quite flacky. > > Anyone experience this? > > Thanks. > From ernesto at ornl.gov Sat Oct 9 21:35:54 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:35:54 -0400 Subject: migrating to the new evolution In-Reply-To: <1097356485.30203.10.camel@animal> References: <1097338701.23904.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097356485.30203.10.camel@animal> Message-ID: <1097357755.24380.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 22:14 +0100, Keith Sharp wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 12:18 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am normally a heavy evolution user. > > > > What is the manual procedure to move an addressbook from an older > > version to the new version? > > > > I would also like to move some of my old e-mail folders into the new > > version of evolution. > > > > I used to have a directory: $(HOME)/evolution > > Now I have: $(HOME)/.evolution > > The first time you run the new Evolution it should migrate everything > for you. Once it has done the migration it asks if you want to > automatically delete your old ${HOME}/evolution folder or would you like > to do it later yourself. > > If this has not happened for you, then search back through the list for > posts by Dave Malcolm of Red Hat who described how to change a value in > GConf to force Evolution to try the migration again. Okay, that worked great. Now, I would like to move a mail folder from one machine to another. How does one do that? I have 3 different folders on my desktop machine and would like to move one of the folders to my laptop. When I look at the directory/file structure of the .evolution everything looks encoded. I can't make heads nor tails. Would be nice if evolution would allow me to import mail from evolution. Is it possible to archive an evolution folder on one machine and import to evolution on another? Any help is appreciated. > > Keith. > From esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 21:42:18 2004 From: esclavosoy.ml at gmail.com (Gabriel Moreno) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:42:18 -0700 Subject: Halt or Poweroff not powering off box. Message-ID: <85e4e9640410091442bcb3234@mail.gmail.com> The halt and poweroff only halt my system. But don't turn it off. I've tried booting with acpi=on apm=off and reversed it and no luck. Anyone got any ideas? From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sat Oct 9 21:50:14 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:50:14 -0700 Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup In-Reply-To: <1097352138.3505.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097352138.3505.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097358615.1270.9.camel@CirithUngol> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 16:02 -0400, John Hawkins wrote: > I have FC3T2 installed on a PIII 450 mhz system. The initial > installation installed kernel 2.6.7-1.478 and I upgraded the kernel with > up2date to kernel 2.6.8-1.520 last night. The boot process is not how > expect it to behave and the new kernel is not being loaded. I've > rebooted a number of times and have tried to write everything down on > paper so that I could document this issue. I haven't caught everything, > so if I am missing something that you think is important, let me know > and I'll keep booting until I get it all. Here's what I see. You should upgrade again, the 520 kernel has been replaced several times, I'm not sure why you would have upgraded to that one since up2date should have pulled in the newer kernel (the latest kernel is 2.6.8-1.603). If you want to stay up with development then I suggest using yum instead, my current yum config is shown in this forum post and is a good start. You may want to change the mirrrors later. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=108110&postcount=6 You can use similar configuration for yum repositories with up2date if you wish.. look into the file /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources to see how to use some of these yum entries for up2date. > A quick flash that looks like Grub Stage 2 (not certain as it really > flashes too quick to read it well). > > Root (hd0,0) > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > kernel /vmlinux - 2.6.7-1.478 ro root= /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > quiet > [Linux -bz Image, setup=0x1400, size=0x148891] > initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img > [Linux-initrd @ 0x17f3a000,0xa5eba bytes] > > Uncompressing Linux..... OK, booting the kernel > audit (1097336390.4294966319:0) initialized > Red Hat Nash version 3.5.24 starting > reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..... > Found Volume group "VolGroup00" using media at the lvm2 (it think this > is what this line says - I can't read my scribling well) > I then get a full screen of what appears to be some type of hex dump > like: > > 88 36 03 05 00 40 ed (and so on for at least 40 lines) > > After a few seconds the screen clears and the following is displayed: > > Fedora Core Release 2.90 (FC3 Test1) > Linux 2.6.7-1.478 on an i686 > > localhost login: > > after a couple of seconds the screen clears and I get the Fedora Core > Graphical login screen. > > > Any ideas why the updated version of the kernel is not loading? You should update grub to latest in development (grub-0.95-3), the previous version had a bug that would select the default kernel in the list when you pushed a key to 'see' the menu at boot time. The menu is not shown, so when you are booting you probably let the timer run out and the default was selected. You can try the new kernel once by pushing a letter key (such as 'a) when the timer is running.. this will show you the menu. New kernels are not booted by default, it is booting the older kernel because that is what grub SHOULD do for safety reasons when upgrading. Change the config at /boot/grub/grub.conf to set the kernel you want as default (it is zero indexed in the list, 0 is the first entry). From varanava at takas.lt Sat Oct 9 23:59:37 2004 From: varanava at takas.lt (Andrius) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:59:37 +0100 Subject: Halt or Poweroff not powering off box. References: <85e4e9640410091442bcb3234@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501c4ae5c$09762b20$0608020a@agraphic> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Moreno" To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Halt or Poweroff not powering off box. > The halt and poweroff only halt my system. But don't turn it off. > I've tried booting with acpi=on apm=off and reversed it and no luck. I don't a reason of this, but my system turns off only if I type shutdown -h now. The halt just halts the system to me too. So try to use shutdown -h now, mayby it works. From justin.conover at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 22:19:59 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:19:59 -0500 Subject: Yum dependencies troubles In-Reply-To: References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097246638.10468.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097247236.3230.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <4983.12.29.16.103.1097258057.squirrel@whooper.org> <1097261096.10468.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: In case anyone runs into this problem and doesn't take the 5 minutes that I did to figure out how to go back w/out dep problems: rpm -ivh --oldpackage rpm-libs-4.3.2-8.i386.rpm On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 07:25:40 +0200, Lars wrote: > thanks for answering! > > cheers > lars > > > > > seth vidal wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 13:54, William Hooper wrote: > >> seth vidal said: > >> > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:10, Lars wrote: > >> > > >> >> anyone can tell what the package rpmdb-fedora actually does? i know it > >> >> has a copy of all rpms, but my system behaves the same with or wihout > >> >> it. so im asking myself for a long time whats the need of it? > >> >> > >> > > >> > It's not used for yum at all anymore. > >> > > >> > > >> > IT used to make it quicker to get a hold of some of the older headers. > >> > >> Isn't it still needed for using "--redhatprovides" and "--redhatrequires" > >> with the rpm command? Not sure if it helps with "--aid" also or not. > > > > > > It is still used for those - but it's not used for YUM at all. > > > > That's all I said. > > -sv > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sat Oct 9 22:58:49 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:58:49 -0700 Subject: migrating to the new evolution In-Reply-To: <1097357755.24380.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097338701.23904.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097356485.30203.10.camel@animal> <1097357755.24380.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097362730.1270.18.camel@CirithUngol> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 17:35 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 22:14 +0100, Keith Sharp wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 12:18 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am normally a heavy evolution user. > > > > > > What is the manual procedure to move an addressbook from an older > > > version to the new version? > > > > > > I would also like to move some of my old e-mail folders into the new > > > version of evolution. > > > > > > I used to have a directory: $(HOME)/evolution > > > Now I have: $(HOME)/.evolution > > > > The first time you run the new Evolution it should migrate everything > > for you. Once it has done the migration it asks if you want to > > automatically delete your old ${HOME}/evolution folder or would you like > > to do it later yourself. > > > > If this has not happened for you, then search back through the list for > > posts by Dave Malcolm of Red Hat who described how to change a value in > > GConf to force Evolution to try the migration again. > > Okay, that worked great. > Now, I would like to move a mail folder from one machine to another. > How does one do that? I have 3 different folders on my desktop machine > and would like to move one of the folders to my laptop. > > When I look at the directory/file structure of the .evolution everything > looks encoded. I can't make heads nor tails. > > Would be nice if evolution would allow me to import mail from evolution. > > Is it possible to archive an evolution folder on one machine and import > to evolution on another? If your username is the same on both systems you should be able to get away with a simple tar + gz, move, untar and run.. there may be some weirdness but afaik, that works. If you've still got the old evolution mail directory, you could just move it and then import from previous version the same way to did for the desktop. - andrew From jhawkins at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 9 23:21:50 2004 From: jhawkins at tampabay.rr.com (John Hawkins) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:21:50 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup In-Reply-To: <000701c4ae56$0046d8c0$0608020a@agraphic> References: <1097352138.3505.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000701c4ae56$0046d8c0$0608020a@agraphic> Message-ID: <1097364110.3669.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I wasn't certain whether /boot/grub was supposed to exist as I read in my RH8 documentation because the only thing in my boot directory are four files: config-2.6.8-1.603 initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img system.map-2.6.8-1.603 vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.603 No subdirectories under boot. I thought that since I am using LVM something might be different from my original documentation. How do I get boot/grub installed? Is it located on any of the installation disks? Any advice is welcomed. Thanks. > You need to update your grub configuration (perhaps it didn't updated > automatically). Go to /boot/grub and edit menu.lst. Change 2.6.7-1.478 to > 2.6.8-1.520 everywhere you see this numbers (kernel..., initrd...). Do it > with root permissions, save and reboot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hawkins" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:02 PM > Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup > > > > I have FC3T2 installed on a PIII 450 mhz system. The initial > > installation installed kernel 2.6.7-1.478 and I upgraded the kernel with > > up2date to kernel 2.6.8-1.520 last night. The boot process is not how > > expect it to behave and the new kernel is not being loaded. I've > > rebooted a number of times and have tried to write everything down on > > paper so that I could document this issue. I haven't caught everything, > > so if I am missing something that you think is important, let me know > > and I'll keep booting until I get it all. Here's what I see. > > > > > > A quick flash that looks like Grub Stage 2 (not certain as it really > > flashes too quick to read it well). > > > > Root (hd0,0) > > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > > kernel /vmlinux - 2.6.7-1.478 ro root= /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > > quiet > > [Linux -bz Image, setup=0x1400, size=0x148891] > > initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img > > [Linux-initrd @ 0x17f3a000,0xa5eba bytes] > > > > Uncompressing Linux..... OK, booting the kernel > > audit (1097336390.4294966319:0) initialized > > Red Hat Nash version 3.5.24 starting > > reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..... > > Found Volume group "VolGroup00" using media at the lvm2 (it think this > > is what this line says - I can't read my scribling well) > > I then get a full screen of what appears to be some type of hex dump > > like: > > > > 88 36 03 05 00 40 ed (and so on for at least 40 lines) > > > > After a few seconds the screen clears and the following is displayed: > > > > Fedora Core Release 2.90 (FC3 Test1) > > Linux 2.6.7-1.478 on an i686 > > > > localhost login: > > > > after a couple of seconds the screen clears and I get the Fedora Core > > Graphical login screen. > > > > > > Any ideas why the updated version of the kernel is not loading? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 23:37:54 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:37:54 -0400 Subject: Up2date freezes or never finishes In-Reply-To: <85e4e96404100914218519940@mail.gmail.com> References: <85e4e9640410091207539d3884@mail.gmail.com> <85e4e96404100914218519940@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041009163766e621e6@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:21:12 -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > I narrowed down what happens and submitted to bugzilla. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135177 do you have rpm-libs-4.3.2-10 or -11 installed? rpm-libs-4.3.2-10 introduced an internal change that most likely affects all the tools that interact with the rpm database through librpm. So... i would suggest reverting back to rpm-libs-4.3.2-8 and then retest up2date to make sure its not a problem introduced in the newer rpm-libs packages. References: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135022 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135008#c7 -jef From jhawkins at tampabay.rr.com Sat Oct 9 23:58:46 2004 From: jhawkins at tampabay.rr.com (John Hawkins) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:58:46 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup In-Reply-To: <1097364110.3669.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097352138.3505.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000701c4ae56$0046d8c0$0608020a@agraphic> <1097364110.3669.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097366326.4264.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> O.K. I did some research and now understand that I can install grub using grub-install, but I have one question. I have two physical disks hda and hdb. hda1 = /boot; hda2 = swap; hda3 = lvm physical volume and hdb1 = lvm physical volume. When I execute grub-install do I specify hda or hda1? Thanks for any advice. On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 19:21 -0400, John Hawkins wrote: > I wasn't certain whether /boot/grub was supposed to exist as I read in > my RH8 documentation because the only thing in my boot directory are > four files: > config-2.6.8-1.603 > initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img > system.map-2.6.8-1.603 > vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.603 > > No subdirectories under boot. I thought that since I am using LVM > something might be different from my original documentation. > > How do I get boot/grub installed? Is it located on any of the > installation disks? Any advice is welcomed. > > Thanks. > > > You need to update your grub configuration (perhaps it didn't updated > > automatically). Go to /boot/grub and edit menu.lst. Change 2.6.7-1.478 to > > 2.6.8-1.520 everywhere you see this numbers (kernel..., initrd...). Do it > > with root permissions, save and reboot. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hawkins" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:02 PM > > Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup > > > > > > > I have FC3T2 installed on a PIII 450 mhz system. The initial > > > installation installed kernel 2.6.7-1.478 and I upgraded the kernel with > > > up2date to kernel 2.6.8-1.520 last night. The boot process is not how > > > expect it to behave and the new kernel is not being loaded. I've > > > rebooted a number of times and have tried to write everything down on > > > paper so that I could document this issue. I haven't caught everything, > > > so if I am missing something that you think is important, let me know > > > and I'll keep booting until I get it all. Here's what I see. > > > > > > > > > A quick flash that looks like Grub Stage 2 (not certain as it really > > > flashes too quick to read it well). > > > > > > Root (hd0,0) > > > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > > > kernel /vmlinux - 2.6.7-1.478 ro root= /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > > > quiet > > > [Linux -bz Image, setup=0x1400, size=0x148891] > > > initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img > > > [Linux-initrd @ 0x17f3a000,0xa5eba bytes] > > > > > > Uncompressing Linux..... OK, booting the kernel > > > audit (1097336390.4294966319:0) initialized > > > Red Hat Nash version 3.5.24 starting > > > reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..... > > > Found Volume group "VolGroup00" using media at the lvm2 (it think this > > > is what this line says - I can't read my scribling well) > > > I then get a full screen of what appears to be some type of hex dump > > > like: > > > > > > 88 36 03 05 00 40 ed (and so on for at least 40 lines) > > > > > > After a few seconds the screen clears and the following is displayed: > > > > > > Fedora Core Release 2.90 (FC3 Test1) > > > Linux 2.6.7-1.478 on an i686 > > > > > > localhost login: > > > > > > after a couple of seconds the screen clears and I get the Fedora Core > > > Graphical login screen. > > > > > > > > > Any ideas why the updated version of the kernel is not loading? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > From byte at aeon.com.my Sun Oct 10 00:16:31 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:16:31 +1000 Subject: 603 kernel problem with CDs and DVDs In-Reply-To: <1097347721.5774.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097347721.5774.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097367391.9211.42.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 04:48, Paul wrote: > Just noticed when I'm trying to rip a disc that unless I'm logged in as > su, I am not able to access either my DVD, DVDRW or CDRW drives for > reading or writing. Reading discs seem to work for me, both data and audio from my CDROM drive. I haven't tried writing, as the test box lacks a writer. .603 kernel, x86 architecture -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From jhawkins at tampabay.rr.com Sun Oct 10 00:20:00 2004 From: jhawkins at tampabay.rr.com (John Hawkins) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:20:00 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup In-Reply-To: <1097366326.4264.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097352138.3505.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000701c4ae56$0046d8c0$0608020a@agraphic> <1097364110.3669.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097366326.4264.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097367601.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Since I have a rescue disk and I felt like playing with installing grub I took a chance at using hda and hda1. Neither work - here's what grub- install does: [root at localhost ~]# grub-install /dev/hda Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. [root at localhost ~]# grub-install /dev/hda1 /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. Any suggestions on how to get grub installed on this system? I've gambled enough and will wait and see if someone has a suggestion. Thanks Again. > O.K. I did some research and now understand that I can install grub > using grub-install, but I have one question. I have two physical disks > hda and hdb. hda1 = /boot; hda2 = swap; hda3 = lvm physical volume and > hdb1 = lvm physical volume. When I execute grub-install do I specify hda > or hda1? > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 19:21 -0400, John Hawkins wrote: > > I wasn't certain whether /boot/grub was supposed to exist as I read in > > my RH8 documentation because the only thing in my boot directory are > > four files: > > config-2.6.8-1.603 > > initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img > > system.map-2.6.8-1.603 > > vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.603 > > > > No subdirectories under boot. I thought that since I am using LVM > > something might be different from my original documentation. > > > > How do I get boot/grub installed? Is it located on any of the > > installation disks? Any advice is welcomed. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > You need to update your grub configuration (perhaps it didn't updated > > > automatically). Go to /boot/grub and edit menu.lst. Change 2.6.7-1.478 to > > > 2.6.8-1.520 everywhere you see this numbers (kernel..., initrd...). Do it > > > with root permissions, save and reboot. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Hawkins" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:02 PM > > > Subject: FC3T2 Kernel Startup > > > > > > > > > > I have FC3T2 installed on a PIII 450 mhz system. The initial > > > > installation installed kernel 2.6.7-1.478 and I upgraded the kernel with > > > > up2date to kernel 2.6.8-1.520 last night. The boot process is not how > > > > expect it to behave and the new kernel is not being loaded. I've > > > > rebooted a number of times and have tried to write everything down on > > > > paper so that I could document this issue. I haven't caught everything, > > > > so if I am missing something that you think is important, let me know > > > > and I'll keep booting until I get it all. Here's what I see. > > > > > > > > > > > > A quick flash that looks like Grub Stage 2 (not certain as it really > > > > flashes too quick to read it well). > > > > > > > > Root (hd0,0) > > > > Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 > > > > kernel /vmlinux - 2.6.7-1.478 ro root= /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb > > > > quiet > > > > [Linux -bz Image, setup=0x1400, size=0x148891] > > > > initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img > > > > [Linux-initrd @ 0x17f3a000,0xa5eba bytes] > > > > > > > > Uncompressing Linux..... OK, booting the kernel > > > > audit (1097336390.4294966319:0) initialized > > > > Red Hat Nash version 3.5.24 starting > > > > reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..... > > > > Found Volume group "VolGroup00" using media at the lvm2 (it think this > > > > is what this line says - I can't read my scribling well) > > > > I then get a full screen of what appears to be some type of hex dump > > > > like: > > > > > > > > 88 36 03 05 00 40 ed (and so on for at least 40 lines) > > > > > > > > After a few seconds the screen clears and the following is displayed: > > > > > > > > Fedora Core Release 2.90 (FC3 Test1) > > > > Linux 2.6.7-1.478 on an i686 > > > > > > > > localhost login: > > > > > > > > after a couple of seconds the screen clears and I get the Fedora Core > > > > Graphical login screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas why the updated version of the kernel is not loading? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > From an037-0m26i at yahoo.com Sun Oct 10 01:08:38 2004 From: an037-0m26i at yahoo.com (Allen Kistler) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:08:38 -0500 Subject: Kernel 603 crashes on reboot Message-ID: <41688B96.7050204@yahoo.com> Anybody else see this? Is it time to go back to 541 again? Without the hex, I get something like: EIP is at find_isa_irq_pin Process reboot Call Trace diasable_IO_APIC machine_restart sys_reboot rw_vm put_user_size dev_ifconf udp_ioctl inet_create destroy_inode dput __fput filp_close Code: Bad EIP value From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 10 02:18:38 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:18:38 +0200 Subject: Yum dependencies troubles In-Reply-To: References: <1097246429.3230.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097246638.10468.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097247236.3230.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255547.10468.33.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <4983.12.29.16.103.1097258057.squirrel@whooper.org> <1097261096.10468.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1097374719.27633.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 09 octobre 2004 ? 17:19 -0500, Justin Conover a ?crit : > In case anyone runs into this problem and doesn't take the 5 minutes > that I did to figure out how to go back w/out dep problems: > > rpm -ivh --oldpackage rpm-libs-4.3.2-8.i386.rpm > Better : rpm -Uvh --oldpackage ... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No problem with 603 or 598 here. HTH, Andrew John Soltow (Sabre) wrote: > Correction Subject line should have read FC3T2 vice FC3T1 > > John Soltow (Sabre) wrote: > >> My 541 kernel continues to boot, but since "yum --obsoletes >> update", the 598 and 603 kernels fail. >> >> ======boot snippet from the 603 kernel====== - hand copied so >> apologies for errors/typos >> Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel >> Audit (1097327214.140:0): initialized >> Red hat nash version 4.1.14 starting >> insmod: error inserting '/lib/ext3.ko': -1 Unknown Symbol in module >> ERROR: /bin/insmod exiting normally! >> mount: error 19 mounting ext3 >> mount: error 2 mounting none >> switchroot: mount failed: 22 >> umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 >> Kernel Panic - not syncing Attempted to kill init >> >> >> ==========end boot snippet=============== >> >> First, ext3.ko is in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1.603/kernel/fs/ext3/ and >> not in /lib >> >> Can someone enlighten me as to what I've done wrong? As I said >> earlier, the 541 kernel works. >> >> Also, can someone tell me where to look for an explanation on the >> "Audit (xxxx) line and its meaning? >> >> Thanks, >> John >> > > From cfzeitler at yahoo.com Sun Oct 10 02:49:45 2004 From: cfzeitler at yahoo.com (charles f. zeitler) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: up2date Message-ID: <20041010024945.21103.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> i've given up on yum, for now, although up2date can be rather slow, esp. when doing 700+ updates 20-50 @ a time. i seem to be waiting for the update to gcc-c++-3.5.0-0.9; trying to upgrade cpp gcc gcc-c++ gcc-g77 gcc-gnat gcc-java gcc-objc libf2c libgnat libobjc libstdc++ and libstdc++-devel from 3.4.1-10 to 3.4.2-5 yields: "gcc35-c++-3.5.0-0.9 requires lbstdc++ = 3.4.1 gcc35-c++-3.5.9-0.9 requires libstdc++-devel = 3.4.1 " trying to update libgfortran 3.5.0-0.9 to 4.0.0-0.2 gives: gcc35-gfortran-3.5.0-0.9 requires libgfortran =3.5.0-0.9 suggesting that gcc35-gfortran needs an update- libmudflap and libmudflap-devel 3.5.0 to 4.0.0 give similar results. ecj-2.1.3-5 lacks ecj-devel-2.1.3-5 iiimf-csconv iiimf-libs iiimf-libs-devel and iiimf-server from 12.0.1-3.svn1 to 12.0.1-13.svn yields: iiimf-le-freewin-12.0.1-3.svn1891 iiimf-le-chinese-12.0.1-3.svn1891 iiimf-le-sun-korea-12.0.1-3.svn1891 (all) require iiimf-server=12.0.1-3.svn1891 otherwise it's been clear sailing cfzeitler ===== : Do What Thou Wilt : : Shall Be : : The Whole of The Law : From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 10 02:53:59 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:53:59 -0400 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <20041010024945.21103.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041010024945.21103.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097376839.7749.5.camel@binkley> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 19:49 -0700, charles f. zeitler wrote: > i've given up on yum, for now, > although up2date can be rather > slow, esp. when doing 700+ > updates 20-50 @ a time. Any particular reason you're giving up on yum? -sv From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 10 02:29:54 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:29:54 +0200 Subject: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot In-Reply-To: <41682719.70108@comcast.net> References: <41682719.70108@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1097375395.27633.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 09 octobre 2004 ? 13:59 -0400, John Soltow (Sabre) a ?crit : > My 541 kernel continues to boot, but since "yum --obsoletes update", > the 598 and 603 kernels fail. > > ======boot snippet from the 603 kernel====== - hand copied so apologies > for errors/typos > Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel > Audit (1097327214.140:0): initialized > Red hat nash version 4.1.14 starting > insmod: error inserting '/lib/ext3.ko': -1 Unknown Symbol in module > ERROR: /bin/insmod exiting normally! > mount: error 19 mounting ext3 > mount: error 2 mounting none > switchroot: mount failed: 22 > umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 > Kernel Panic - not syncing Attempted to kill init > > > ==========end boot snippet=============== > > First, ext3.ko is in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1.603/kernel/fs/ext3/ and > not in /lib > > Can someone enlighten me as to what I've done wrong? As I said > earlier, the 541 kernel works. > The boot sequence depend on initrd build by mkinitrd. rebuild initrd : mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img 2.6.8-1.603 Check the initrd image : $ cd /boot $ mkdir tmp $ cd tmp $ zcat ../initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img | cpio -iv -m -d check if /lib/ext3.ko exist. Use the latest mkinitrd : # rpm -q mkinitrd mkinitrd-4.1.14-1 > Also, can someone tell me where to look for an explanation on the > "Audit (xxxx) line and its meaning? > > Thanks, > John > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Williams Jr. wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 22:14 +0100, Keith Sharp wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 12:18 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am normally a heavy evolution user. > > > > > > What is the manual procedure to move an addressbook from an older > > > version to the new version? > > > > > > I would also like to move some of my old e-mail folders into the new > > > version of evolution. > > > > > > I used to have a directory: $(HOME)/evolution > > > Now I have: $(HOME)/.evolution > > > > The first time you run the new Evolution it should migrate everything > > for you. Once it has done the migration it asks if you want to > > automatically delete your old ${HOME}/evolution folder or would you like > > to do it later yourself. > > > > If this has not happened for you, then search back through the list for > > posts by Dave Malcolm of Red Hat who described how to change a value in > > GConf to force Evolution to try the migration again. > > Okay, that worked great. > Now, I would like to move a mail folder from one machine to another. > How does one do that? I have 3 different folders on my desktop machine > and would like to move one of the folders to my laptop. > > When I look at the directory/file structure of the .evolution everything > looks encoded. I can't make heads nor tails. > > Would be nice if evolution would allow me to import mail from evolution. > > Is it possible to archive an evolution folder on one machine and import > to evolution on another? > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > Keith. > > IIRC if you highlight the messages and select File-->Save_As, you can use the import function in evolution 2.0 . Also the older evolution supported exporting vcard for your contacts (calendars, I think you might be out of luck, though I never tried. Scott From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 10 03:35:51 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:35:51 -0400 Subject: sata_nv NForce3 SATA driver on installer Message-ID: <1097379351.4263.33.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> I have a lot of PATA hard drives laying around. I really want to use the SATA controllers on my MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard, but I'm loathe to buy an SATA hard drive. Instead I bought a serial ATA converter that plugs into a PATA drive and turns it into an SATA drive. I chose the Highpoint RocketHead 100 Serial ATA Converter. For the test drive, I plugged the converter into an older (around 1999) 25.5 Gb IBM drive and connected that to the SATA1 controller on the motherboard. I booted off the FC3 x86_64 CD 1 to start the installation process, entering 'linux askmethod' at the prompt and selecting an NFS Image installation method. The installation soon comes to a halt. The installer says it can't find any hard drives. I come to a panel offering me the chance to select drivers that might do what is needed. There is nothing in the list for Nvidia or NForce3 SATA, although a bunch of other SATA drivers are provided for other chipsets. Since the installer is offering me the chance to provide a driver -- good! -- I run over to another machine to see if I can get the sata_nv driver on a floppy disk. I succeed, press F2 on the installer panel, and get this message: cannot find /tmp/drivers/modinfo, bad driver disk Can anyone tell me what this is about? What's the correct method of providing an external driver to the installer -- how do I do that correctly? And finally, even though I couldn't get the driver loaded for a fresh installation of FC3T2 -- a fully updated FC3T2 drive with the 603 kernel will boot just fine as an SATA device. I was pleasantly surprised. smartd fails at boot time, and my Logitech QuickCam 4000 suddenly isn't recognized, but what the heck -- my FC3T2 drive is on SATA, and seems to work just fine. Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Oct 10 07:12:07 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:12:07 -0600 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097255197.11977.2.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097255197.11977.2.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1097392327.3433.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 18:06 +0100, Douglas Furlong wrote: > If you use YUM to update your kernel then the new kernel is the default > kernel. > > When you use RPM the old kernel is the default. > If you use up2date, the default in FC3-T2 is the *old* kernel. But ever since up2date came into existence, the default has been the *new* kernel. This idea of booting the old kernel by default is new behavior, and only since the FC3 test releases at that. Who changed the default, and why? It took me two days to find out that I *wasn't* using the newest kernel! Changing defaults like that should ***NOT*** be done lightly and without notifying the user. 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Paiz) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:15:45 -0600 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 19:16 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:39:24 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > We can expect that new kernels are better (bug or security fix). > > We _hope_ that it's true, but we cannot rely on it, and certainly > not enough to make a new kernel the default for everyone. > We have relied on it for *years* now. The new kernel has always been the default (at least since up2date has existed). I appreciate the enormous level of skill and involvement you have, but don't you "certainly not enough to make [it] the default" me on this one! A change was made, and it was not communicated (or I missed it). 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Sun Oct 10 07:32:54 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:32:54 +0300 Subject: caching nameserver not always working? status: SERVFAIL In-Reply-To: <1097245150.2574.3.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> References: <1097231387.4229.34.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <1097245150.2574.3.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097393575.4231.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 10:19 -0400, Jason Vas Dias wrote: > You may need to uncomment the 'query-source' > line in the named.conf that comes with > caching-nameserver, ie: > > 'options { ... > query-source address * port 53; > ... > }; > ' Hi, I uncommented it but it happened again today: local nameserver: dig www.galuna.ro ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> www.galuna.ro ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 16060 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.galuna.ro. IN A ;; Query time: 11 msec ;; SERVER: 81.196.83.211#53(81.196.83.211) ;; WHEN: Sun Oct 10 10:27:52 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 31 With ISP's nameserver it works: dig @193.231.236.17 www.galuna.ro ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> @193.231.236.17 www.galuna.ro ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 9344 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 9, ADDITIONAL: 11 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.galuna.ro. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.galuna.ro. 172800 IN CNAME galuna.ro. galuna.ro. 172800 IN A 213.157.162.252 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: ro. 167337 IN NS PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. ro. 167337 IN NS SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. ro. 167337 IN NS NS.UU.NET. ro. 167337 IN NS NS.RIPE.NET. ro. 167337 IN NS NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. ro. 167337 IN NS NS1.UNIVIE.AC.AT. ro. 167337 IN NS SUNIC.SUNET.SE. ro. 167337 IN NS DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. ro. 167337 IN NS NS-EXT.VIX.COM. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: NS.UU.NET. 4580 IN A 137.39.1.3 NS.RIPE.NET. 159249 IN A 193.0.0.193 NS.RIPE.NET. 111866 IN AAAA 2001:610:240:0:53::193 NS.AUSTRIA.EU.NET. 171408 IN A 192.92.138.35 NS1.UNIVIE.AC.AT. 170322 IN A 193.171.255.2 SUNIC.SUNET.SE. 4597 IN A 192.36.125.2 DNS-RO.DENIC.DE. 171408 IN A 81.91.161.76 NS-EXT.VIX.COM. 163009 IN A 204.152.184.64 NS-EXT.VIX.COM. 1352 IN AAAA 2001:4f8:0:2::13 PRIMARY.ROTLD.ro. 167796 IN A 192.162.16.18 SECONDARY.ROTLD.ro. 170322 IN A 193.230.31.225 ;; Query time: 200 msec ;; SERVER: 193.231.236.17#53(193.231.236.17) ;; WHEN: Sun Oct 10 10:28:34 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 501 Attached is named.conf. -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro -------------- next part -------------- // // named.conf for Red Hat caching-nameserver // options { directory "/var/named"; dump-file "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db"; statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt"; /* * If there is a firewall between you and nameservers you want * to talk to, you might need to uncomment the query-source * directive below. Previous versions of BIND always asked * questions using port 53, but BIND 8.1 uses an unprivileged * port by default. */ query-source address * port 53; }; // // a caching only nameserver config // controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { localhost; } keys { rndckey; }; }; zone "." IN { type hint; file "named.ca"; }; zone "localdomain" IN { type master; file "localdomain.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "localhost" IN { type master; file "localhost.zone"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.ip6.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.ip6.local"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "255.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.broadcast"; allow-update { none; }; }; zone "0.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "named.zero"; allow-update { none; }; }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; From rhally at mindspring.com Sun Oct 10 07:53:31 2004 From: rhally at mindspring.com (Richard Hally) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:53:31 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 19:16 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > >>On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:39:24 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: >> >> >> >>>We can expect that new kernels are better (bug or security fix). >>> >>> >>We _hope_ that it's true, but we cannot rely on it, and certainly >>not enough to make a new kernel the default for everyone. >> >> >> > >We have relied on it for *years* now. The new kernel has always been the >default (at least since up2date has existed). I appreciate the enormous >level of skill and involvement you have, but don't you "certainly not >enough to make [it] the default" me on this one! > >A change was made, and it was not communicated (or I missed it). Was it >at least consulted among the devel community? Is this a "done deal"? >Because personally, I liked it better the other way. Boot the new kernel >by default, keep the old kernel around for safety. > >Cheers, > > > Please consider the option of *not* having rpm,up2date,yum et al change the "default=" parameter. Leave it at whatever the user sets it! For those that want the latest, they specify default=0. For those that want the safety of the old kernel they specify default=1. If the updater does't change it , everyone gets what they specify! It seems so obvious. Richard Hally From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 10 07:54:57 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:54:57 +0200 Subject: udev-034-2, modules are in loading state (sometines) Message-ID: <1097394897.6997.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> I use this file to restore the mixer sitting of the sound cards : cat /etc/dev.d/sound/alsa.dev #!/bin/sh if [ "$ACTION" != "add" ] ; then exit fi card=`echo $DEVPATH | sed -n -e "s/^\/class\/sound\/controlC\([[:digit:]]\+\)\$/\1/p"` if [ $card ] && [ -x /usr/sbin/alsactl ] ; then /usr/sbin/alsactl restore $card > /dev/null 2>&1 fi This works nice with udev-032-10 but not with udev-034-2. At the line "/usr/sbin/alsactl restore $card" the modules is in loading state. Example : Add traces in /etc/dev.d/sound/alsa.dev : /usr/bin/logger -t $(basename $0)"[$$]" `grep ^snd_via82xx /proc/modules` /usr/bin/logger -t $(basename $0)"[$$]" `/usr/sbin/alsactl restore $card 2>&1` Load snd-via82xx module. From rom syslog : snd_via82xx 23515 1 - Loading 0xe08b2000 /usr/sbin/alsactl: set_controls:986: snd_ctl_open error: No such device More "interesting" (and ugly), add "sleep 5" : sleep 5 /usr/bin/logger -t $(basename $0)"[$$]" `grep ^snd_via82xx /proc/modules` /usr/bin/logger -t $(basename $0)"[$$]" `/usr/sbin/alsactl restore $card 2>&1` Load snd-via82xx module. From rom syslog : snd_via82xx 23493 0 - Live 0xe08b2000 Now this works "as expected". This is a bug or normal ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It took me two days to find out that I > *wasn't* using the newest kernel! Changing defaults like that should > ***NOT*** be done lightly and without notifying the user. This is a bug not a feature! (And some of us have been seeing it since FC2.) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115253 -Barry K. Nathan From jonathansavage at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 08:05:05 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:05:05 -0700 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> > those that want the latest, they specify default=0. For those that want > the safety of the old kernel they specify default=1. If the updater > does't change it , everyone gets what they specify! It seems so obvious. > Richard Hally https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135161 sounds like a good solution IMHO. Bests, Jon From DwaineGarden at rogers.com Sun Oct 10 08:42:32 2004 From: DwaineGarden at rogers.com (Dwaine Garden) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:42:32 -0400 Subject: BzFlag does not work - Halt all Fedora Development Work!!! Message-ID: <4168F5F8.80507@rogers.com> During my testing. I have noticed that bzflag does not work any more. 8*) I'm using the newest version 1.10.8 and it's compiled source code. Bzflag compiles just fine with no warning or errors. Make install works too. Sync'd to the latest development tree for Fedora Now the good stuff..... Bzflag finds all the server in the server list, but you can not connect to any servers. The game just dies. I did check the firewalls rules and it's completely turned off. (Using hardware router firewall). Double checked my router, it's fine. Both UDP and TCP ports are opened. If I run bzflag from an application launch icon in kde, the video is working fine. But I still can not connect to any servers without crashing. If I run bzflag from a terminal window in KDE, then the video is all speckles and garbage. For the life of me, I can not figure out why this would happen. I could always run it from an launch icon and or terminal window. It smells like something with the Fedora kernel (541) which is causing a problem. I can not debug it further, since it kills the X session. There is one error message in message.log Oct 10 04:10:55 www kernel: application bzflag uses obsolete OSS audio interface Oct 10 04:11:08 www gconfd (root-13090): Received signal 15, shutting down cleanly Oct 10 04:11:08 www gconfd (root-13090): Exiting Oct 10 04:11:08 www gdm[12846]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 Oct 10 04:11:08 www gdm(pam_unix)[12846]: session closed for user root Oct 10 04:11:08 www udev: removing device node '/dev/vcs7' Oct 10 04:11:08 www udev: removing device node '/dev/vcsa7' Oct 10 04:11:09 www udev: creating device node '/dev/vcs7' Oct 10 04:11:09 www udev: removing device node '/dev/vcs7' Oct 10 04:11:10 www kernel: agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. Oct 10 04:11:10 www kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode Oct 10 04:11:10 www kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode Oct 10 04:11:10 www kernel: agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. Oct 10 04:11:10 www kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode Oct 10 04:11:10 www kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode Oct 10 04:11:11 www udev: creating device node '/dev/vcsa7' Oct 10 04:11:11 www udev: creating device node '/dev/vcs7' Oct 10 04:11:11 www udev: removing device node '/dev/vcsa7' Oct 10 04:11:11 www udev: creating device node '/dev/vcsa7' I'm tying to figure out if it's the OSS emulation in ALSA, or something to do with udev. We have to fix this. We can not expect the community to keep testing out the development work if they can not run BzFlag.... 8*) Dwaine. From kms at passback.co.uk Sun Oct 10 09:34:04 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:34:04 +0100 Subject: migrating to the new evolution In-Reply-To: <1097357755.24380.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097338701.23904.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097356485.30203.10.camel@animal> <1097357755.24380.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097400845.30203.24.camel@animal> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 17:35 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > Okay, that worked great. > Now, I would like to move a mail folder from one machine to another. > How does one do that? I have 3 different folders on my desktop machine > and would like to move one of the folders to my laptop. > > When I look at the directory/file structure of the .evolution everything > looks encoded. I can't make heads nor tails. > > Would be nice if evolution would allow me to import mail from evolution. > > Is it possible to archive an evolution folder on one machine and import > to evolution on another? If you are using local email storage then the files in: ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/ that have the same name as your folders in the GUI are just standard mbox format files and can be imported into Evolution using the File -> Import menu option. If you are using server side storage such as IMAP, just create a new account in your other Evolution instance and drag a drop your mails to where you want. Keith. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 11:20:59 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:20:59 +0100 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga Message-ID: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, As always, the other half logs me out and then forgets to log out herself. I've logged her out and logged myself in. Nautilus has gone. Totally vanished! It's listed with gnome-system- monitor (though nautilus-throbber is missing). Restarting gnome- settings-daemon does nothing. If nautilus controls the desktop backdrop, that part has failed as well If I run nautilus -c from a terminal window, it gets to running nautilus_self_check_directory and then stops (no sort of flashing of disc activity). nautilus --browser doesn't start anything either. As a "Win32" test, I have done a full reset with no change observed. Hosing the .nautilus directory does nothing either. Any ideas on how to get nautilus working again? TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 11:56:42 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:56:42 +0200 Subject: cosmetics In-Reply-To: <20041010030026.23531.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041010030026.23531.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097409403.4605.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 20:00 -0700, charles f. zeitler wrote: > that "hidemenu" feature > threw me off at first, > as i'm running a dual > boot. > > the split menu bar is > very gnomeish, but i > could go either way > on this. > > having the partitions > on my other hard drive > auto-detected and > given directories is > nice, but do we really > need a new top-level > directory (media)? It's ugly, but LSB prescribes it. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 11:57:10 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:57:10 +0100 Subject: fstab seems to be broken - I think Message-ID: <1097409430.4242.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm whittling down the reason why I was getting a conflict and I think fstab is broken. Here's why When I originally did the install of FC3t2 (to a fresh drive), I partitioned it so that /usr was nice and big and /home was not so big. The install was happy, no problems with my hardware and everything was good. I did a restart and set up user paul, logged in, and created users bev and richard - each had the same UID and GID as before the reinstall. Next up, I altered fstab so that my other drives would be mounted (they had been disconnected on the install). Rebooted and found that there was a conflict between the original /home and /dev/hdb1 which contained the original /home directory (i.e. the ones used prior to the reinstall). When a user logged in, they first had the default FC3t2 smoke on black setup (the one found on /dev/hda2). The user is unable to log out correctly and so has to use ctrl-backspace. The next time they log in, they have the version which is on /dev/hdb1. To test is there is a conflict, I edited fstab so that /dev/hdb1 is not mounted at all, rebooted, renamed /home to /home-original, edited fstab so that /dev/hdb1 is auto mounted on bootup and rebooted. When I get to gdm, if I login as myself, I'm told that /home/paul doesn't exist. I changed to tty1, logged in as paul, su and then ls /home. Nothing was there. I then did a mount /dev/hdb1 /home, ls /home and the home directories are there. To me, that looks like fstab is broken (or at least partially bust). Can someone confirm that the line I have in /etc/fstab for auto mounting the drive is correct before I log this into bugzilla? /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 noauto,user,exec,kudzu 0 0 The oddest thing though is that my other drives are mounting correctly, just not /home. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 11:58:24 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:58:24 +0200 Subject: migrating to the new evolution In-Reply-To: <1097400845.30203.24.camel@animal> References: <1097338701.23904.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097356485.30203.10.camel@animal> <1097357755.24380.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097400845.30203.24.camel@animal> Message-ID: <1097409505.4605.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 10:34 +0100, Keith Sharp wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 17:35 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > > Okay, that worked great. > > Now, I would like to move a mail folder from one machine to another. > > How does one do that? I have 3 different folders on my desktop machine > > and would like to move one of the folders to my laptop. > > > > When I look at the directory/file structure of the .evolution everything > > looks encoded. I can't make heads nor tails. > > > > Would be nice if evolution would allow me to import mail from evolution. > > > > Is it possible to archive an evolution folder on one machine and import > > to evolution on another? > > If you are using local email storage then the files in: > > ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/ > > that have the same name as your folders in the GUI are just standard > mbox format files and can be imported into Evolution using the File -> > Import menu option. If you are using server side storage such as IMAP, > just create a new account in your other Evolution instance and drag a > drop your mails to where you want. Or just use the IMAP account -- that is the beauty of it, you can just use about any mail client and don't have much hassle switching between them. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 12:04:57 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:04:57 +0200 Subject: BzFlag does not work - Halt all Fedora Development Work!!! In-Reply-To: <4168F5F8.80507@rogers.com> References: <4168F5F8.80507@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1097409897.4605.17.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 04:42 -0400, Dwaine Garden wrote: > During my testing. I have noticed that bzflag does not work any more. 8*) > > I'm using the newest version 1.10.8 and it's compiled source code. I use 1.10.6.20040515-1 and it works as expected (and it's compiled source code as well, SCNR ;-). > Bzflag compiles just fine with no warning or errors. Make install > works too. Sync'd to the latest development tree for Fedora > > Now the good stuff..... [...] > I'm tying to figure out if it's the OSS emulation in ALSA, or something > to do with udev. The OSS message isn't an indicator that it doesn't work, rather that the application should be ported over to ALSA interfaces so we can get rid of the OSS emulation layer at some point in the future. > We have to fix this. We can not expect the community to keep testing > out the development work if they can not run BzFlag.... 8*) >From the schedule, it's too late for test3 and so kind of too late for final (no real external testing possible). But we should definitely work on getting this running, we can't let our users be stuck with an ancient version of this one and only killer app in the distro ;-P. Have you tried strace-ing it already? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 12:08:11 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:08:11 +0200 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097410091.4605.21.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 12:20 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > As always, the other half logs me out and then forgets to log out > herself. I've logged her out and logged myself in. > > Nautilus has gone. Totally vanished! It's listed with gnome-system- > monitor (though nautilus-throbber is missing). Restarting gnome- > settings-daemon does nothing. If nautilus controls the desktop backdrop, > that part has failed as well > > If I run nautilus -c from a terminal window, it gets to running > nautilus_self_check_directory and then stops (no sort of flashing of > disc activity). nautilus --browser doesn't start anything either. > > As a "Win32" test, I have done a full reset with no change observed. > Hosing the .nautilus directory does nothing either. > > Any ideas on how to get nautilus working again? Just an idea (messed up oaf and/or gconfd), but: Log out. Log in on the console as root (just to not confuse processes), kill all processes belonging to your user. "rm -rf /tmp/gconfd- $USER /tmp/orbit-$USER". Log in again. Hope ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 12:24:47 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:24:47 +0100 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <1097410091.4605.21.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097410091.4605.21.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097411087.4675.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > Log out. Log in on the console as root (just to not confuse processes), > kill all processes belonging to your user. "rm -rf /tmp/gconfd- > $USER /tmp/orbit-$USER". Log in again. Hope ;-). Nope. Nothing. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If 541 works and 60x doesn't it sounds like it might also be a direct rendering bug - unfortunately some of the direct rendering changes done very recently are somewhat buggy and if they got into our tree then might bite a few users. If on the other hand you are using the Nvidia binary drivers, please fix it yourself 8) Alan From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 14:03:50 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:03:50 +0100 Subject: Sunday is not turning out nicely around here! Message-ID: <1097417030.4693.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, First nautilus vanishes Next fstab starts playing silly buggers Now I have no sound at all Everything is set up as it was before I did the update earlier (only the material which was released in todays builds, it was up to date prior to that) and now sound and nautilus have gone. gnome-volume is showing all devices are on and set to loud. Nothing is muted. Argh! TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. 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I selectively installed F3T2 during a CDROM based install. I now realize that I want everything, so I tried this; yum -y install '*' Should that complete successfully? (I get Errors) How can I get my system to the everything state using yum? (CDROMs arent available) Thanks!! -bob Sample output; # yum install '*' Setting up Install Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: fedora-us-2-stable repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 903 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: fedora-us-2-updates repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 903 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files developmen: ################################################## 3426/3426 fedora-us-: ################################################## 486/486 fedora-us-: ################################################## 397/397 Reading repository metadata in from local files Resolving Dependencies Processing Dependency: fedora-rpmdevtools= 0:0.1.7-0.fdr.5 for package: fedora-rpmdevtools-emacs Processing Dependency: iiimf-server= 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 for package: iiimf-le-newpy Processing Dependency: libcrseleng.so.2 for package: lablgtk Processing Dependency: libcroco.so.1 for package: gweled Processing Dependency: libfreeglut-1.3.so.0 for package: lablgl Processing Dependency: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.521 for package: kernel-module-devel-2.6.8-1.521 Processing Dependency: kernel-module-thinkpad>= 0:3.2 for package: tpctl Processing Dependency: libcrlayeng.so.1 for package: lablgtk Processing Dependency: libcrseleng.so.2 for package: gweled Processing Dependency: libcroco.so.1 for package: lablgtk Processing Dependency: libcrlayeng.so.1 for package: gweled Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Requiring package fedora-rpmdevtools-emacs-0.1.7-0.fdr.5.noarch not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: wxGTK2-devel conflicts: wxGTK-devel Error: Requiring package iiimf-le-newpy-11.4-46.1.svn1587.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: suck conflicts: leafnode Error: Requiring package lablgtk-2.2.0-0.fdr.4.2.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package gweled-0.4-0.fdr.2.2.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: gpgme03-devel conflicts: gpgme-devel Error: Requiring package lablgl-1.00-0.fdr.4.1.90.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package kernel-module-devel-2.6.8-1.521-0.5-0.fdr.1.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: Requiring package tpctl-4.14-0.fdr.1.2.i386 not in transaction set nor in rpmdb Error: openbox conflicts: fluxbox<= 0:0.1.14 Error: xorg-x11-font-utils conflicts: xorg-x11-base-fonts<= 6.7.99.903-3 Error: wxGTK-devel conflicts: wxGTK2-devel Error: fluxbox conflicts: openbox<= 0:2.3.1 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 10 14:56:35 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:56:35 -0400 Subject: F3T2 Yum and getting everything In-Reply-To: <41694CA6.8080805@jadn.com> References: <41694CA6.8080805@jadn.com> Message-ID: <1097420195.7749.9.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 10:52 -0400, Bob Herrmann wrote: > Hi. I selectively installed F3T2 during a CDROM based install. I now > realize that I want everything, so I tried this; > > yum -y install '*' > > Should that complete successfully? (I get Errors) How can I get my > system to the everything state using yum? (CDROMs arent available) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135008 -sv From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 10 15:13:49 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:13:49 +0200 Subject: F3T2 Yum and getting everything In-Reply-To: <41694CA6.8080805@jadn.com> References: <41694CA6.8080805@jadn.com> Message-ID: <1097421229.10717.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 10:52 -0400, Bob Herrmann a ?crit : > Hi. I selectively installed F3T2 during a CDROM based install. I now > realize that I want everything, so I tried this; > > yum -y install '*' > > Should that complete successfully? (I get Errors) How can I get my > system to the everything state using yum? (CDROMs arent available) > > Thanks!! > -bob > > Sample output; > # yum install '*' > Setting up Install Process > Setting up Repo: development > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Setting up Repo: fedora-us-2-stable It's not for FC3. > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 903 B 00:00 > Setting up Repo: fedora-us-2-updates Why updates from FC2 for FC3 ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From momendo at yahoo.com Sun Oct 10 15:26:12 2004 From: momendo at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Can't modify/create files on USB stick Message-ID: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> I put a USB stick (256MB USB2 Sandisk) and firewire iPOD and tried to edit text files. Nautilus says I don't have permissions to edit files, nor can I create any files on the disks. Working folder: /media/usbdisk/unix_help Editing a text file from double-clicking a text file in Nautilus brings up gEdit. I make a change and try to save, it gives a permissions error. I chmod 777 * on the text files and the command executes but the permissions of the text files dont reflect the change. I check dmesg and I get this error: audit(1097420510.446:0): avc: denied { associate } for pid=4607 exe=/usr/bin/gedit name=.gedit-save-dRYCB1 scontext=user_u:object_r:removable_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t tclass=filesystem I try to create a new "empty file" in nautilus and again I get permission denied. dmesg reports this: audit(1097421666.756:0): avc: denied { associate } for pid=4539 exe=/usr/bin/nautilus name=.vfs-write.tmp scontext=user_u:object_r:removable_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t tclass=filesystem Attempting to copy an existing file and pasting to the same folder gives a permissions error and dmesg reports: audit(1097421730.569:0): avc: denied { associate } for pid=4539 exe=/usr/bin/nautilus name=.vfs-write.tmp scontext=user_u:object_r:removable_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t tclass=filesystem However, editing a text file from the command line using vim, the kernel does allow the file to save my edits. But there is still errors in dmesg: audit(1097421875.980:0): avc: denied { associate } for pid=4721 exe=/usr/bin/vim name=.cheat_sheet.txt.swp scontext=user_u:object_r:removable_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t tclass=filesystem audit(1097421875.980:0): avc: denied { associate } for pid=4721 exe=/usr/bin/vim name=.cheat_sheet.txt.swp scontext=user_u:object_r:removable_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t tclass=filesystem audit(1097421883.100:0): avc: denied { associate } for pid=4721 exe=/usr/bin/vim name=4913 scontext=user_u:object_r:removable_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t tclass=filesystem audit(1097421883.100:0): avc: denied { associate } for pid=4721 exe=/usr/bin/vim name=cheat_sheet.txt~ scontext=user_u:object_r:removable_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t tclass=filesystem Switching to root user and editing the files has no effect. Are these due to permissions not being set correctly in SELinux? How do I fix this so I can save/edit/copy/create files on removable storage? Joe _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From momendo at yahoo.com Sun Oct 10 15:47:00 2004 From: momendo at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DVD Video discs are not recognized by FC3T2 Message-ID: <20041010154700.63317.qmail@web60610.mail.yahoo.com> I tried putting several DVD Video discs in my DVD burner to watch some movies in Mplayer. But I'd say 90% of the time, the movie disc isn't recognized properly and nautilus puts an icon on the desktop called "DVD-ROM Disc" Clicking on the icon gives the CD/DVD Creator nautilus window. It thinks it's a DVD-R disc. This is obviously wrong. The correct behavior is should give the Volume name of the movie and nautilus should automatically launch the gmplayer command line I set in nautilus to play DVD movies. What's more interesting is I can do: mplayer dvd://1 And the dvd disc plays correctly in mplayer. Or I can load gmplayer, and set the DVD path to /dev/cdrom at select Play DVD from the menu and the movie plays! This behavior is inconsistent. I'd say 1 out of 8 tries or so, the disc is properly recognized and gmplayer launches. But most of the time, I get the CD/DVD Creator window. Since the disc isn't mounted, I can eject the discs from the drive without doing Right-click Disc Icon->Eject Disc. I know my DVD drive works correctly because when I dual-boot back to Windows XP, the DVD movies play consistently 100% in PowerDVD. System: FC3Test2 synced to RAWHIDE as of Oct. 10, 2004 DVD Drive: IDE Plextor PX-708A DVDRW+- drive DVD Movies Tested: -Mean Girls -Azumanga Daioh -Deep Space Nine: Season 7: Disc 3 Joe _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Oct 10 15:47:56 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:47:56 -0600 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 01:05 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135161 sounds > like a good solution IMHO. It does sound like something reasonable, but IMHO it's a solution looking for a problem. Up2date already skips kernel packages by default, and forces you to specifically request that the kernel be updated. For 99% (or more) of the people who use up2date, selecting that means that they *do* want to install and use the new kernel, and up2date keeps the old kernel around for safety and so that you can go back to it if you have any problems. This behavior was consistent and clear, and I've *NEVER* seen anyone complain that setting the new kernel as default was inappropriate and excessively risky. This change makes *no* sense. Now I have to run up2date. Specifically select the kernel to be updated from the list of skipped packages. And then, once it's all said and done, the new up2date forces me to go edit grub.conf??? NO! It's damned unfriendly behavior from an application, and smacks of a Microsoft-style "Are you really really sure you want to do this?" attitude. What you're going to get is a boatload of users who never use a new kernel since they didn't know enough to edit grub.conf. This change is a HUGE step backward, contributes *NOTHING* to the general safety and reliability of Linux and indeed will reduce it as people start using older and older kernels because the new ones were never selected as the default. What do we have to do to get it changed back to the sane way it used to operate? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paiz a ?crit : > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 01:05 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135161 sounds > > like a good solution IMHO. > (snip) > > This change is a HUGE step backward, contributes *NOTHING* to the > general safety and reliability of Linux and indeed will reduce it as > people start using older and older kernels because the new ones were > never selected as the default. Slow down. It's a bug, it will be fixed. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If nautilus controls the desktop backdrop, > that part has failed as well > > If I run nautilus -c from a terminal window, it gets to running > nautilus_self_check_directory and then stops (no sort of flashing of > disc activity). nautilus --browser doesn't start anything either. > > As a "Win32" test, I have done a full reset with no change observed. > Hosing the .nautilus directory does nothing either. > > Any ideas on how to get nautilus working again? > > TTFN > > Paul > From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Oct 10 16:05:21 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:05:21 +0100 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <200410101705.21381.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Sunday 10 October 2004 16:47, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > This change is a HUGE step backward, contributes *NOTHING* to the > general safety and reliability of Linux and indeed will reduce it as > people start using older and older kernels because the new ones were > never selected as the default. I haven't followed this thread carefully, but I belong to an apparent minority consisting of those who never use distribution kernels, and so much prefer any new kernel _not_ to be made the default. I use yum, and it seems new kernels are downloaded by me, probably because I said something long ago. However, distribution kernels have not worked on my SCSI only machine for ages (I think since Redhat-8.0). This doesn't particularly worry me, but it would be boring if I had to edit grub.conf frequently. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From cuhi at gmx.de Sun Oct 10 16:16:07 2004 From: cuhi at gmx.de (FrankBlack) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:16:07 +0200 Subject: fedora core 3 test 2 dvd install Message-ID: <200410101616.i9AGGMOX030468@mx1.redhat.com> Hello, I just downloaded the fedora core 3 test 2 dvd iso, checked the md5 checksum and burned a bootable dvd. The "install kernel" loads fine, but after selecting the language etc. the installer asks for the medium holding my installation files (cd-rom, nfs, harddisk, ftp, http) and if I try to select cd-rom it gives me an "no cd found" error. So, how do I select the dvd drive or doesn't that installer/kernel support my dvd drive? But it can load the installation program? 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How do I fix this so I can > save/edit/copy/create files on removable storage? 1) you file this problem in bugzilla so that it can be fixed with better default selinux policy 2) edit /etc/fstab and remove the fcontext=arguments option on the mountpoint and see if that helps for now. 3) go back to the bugreport you filed and commented that removing fcontext in the fstab does what you expect -jef From lnxxprt at arcor.de Sun Oct 10 16:19:48 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:19:48 +0200 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <1097419729.7749.7.camel@binkley> References: <20041010024945.21103.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> <1097376839.7749.5.camel@binkley> <1097409333.4605.5.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1097419729.7749.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <41696124.4050302@arcor.de> you should update the usage print and man page nevertheless. /ds seth vidal wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 13:55 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > >>On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 22:53 -0400, seth vidal wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 19:49 -0700, charles f. zeitler wrote: >>> >>>>i've given up on yum, for now, >>>>although up2date can be rather >>>>slow, esp. when doing 700+ >>>>updates 20-50 @ a time. >>> >>>Any particular reason you're giving up on yum? >> >>To speculate, I'd say because he doesn't know about "--obsoletes", e.g. >>it doesn't get shown if you simply type "yum". >> > > > Well then he'll be happy to use yum from rawhide. > > obsoletes=1 is set in the config file so it will do obsoletes grabbing > by default. > > -sv > > From tehmiller at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 10 16:20:27 2004 From: tehmiller at bellsouth.net (Justin Miller) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:20:27 -0400 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <1097411087.4675.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097410091.4605.21.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1097411087.4675.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097425227.3479.1.camel@Lothlorien> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 13:24 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > Log out. Log in on the console as root (just to not confuse processes), > > kill all processes belonging to your user. "rm -rf /tmp/gconfd- > > $USER /tmp/orbit-$USER". Log in again. Hope ;-). > > Nope. Nothing. > > TTFN > > Paul > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list I've experienced similar issues before, and my problem has always been that hald isn't running, which is needed for nautilus to actually do anything. Check that and see if it is the issue? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are some folks on the yum-devel list updating the docs now, and their contributions are happily accepted. -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 16:38:23 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:38:23 -0400 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <41696124.4050302@arcor.de> References: <20041010024945.21103.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> <1097376839.7749.5.camel@binkley> <1097409333.4605.5.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1097419729.7749.7.camel@binkley> <41696124.4050302@arcor.de> Message-ID: <604aa79104101009387aafa64d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:19:48 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > you should update the usage print and man page nevertheless. > > /ds Pretty sure Seth takes patches... to both code and documentation. Thank you for volunteering to help Seth update the documentation...that's very kind of you. You're response is breath takenly refreshing change from the more pedestrian requests for new features and better behavior that I've come accustomed to seeing when community interact with developers. If only more people would follow your model and would come forward and help developers with some of the less difficult tasks that get prioritized low on the todo list in favor of the harder core functionality fixes that take experienced developer manhours, every open source project would benefit. I marvel at your dedication to move things forward, at your ability to help with the tasks that you can. Instead of just demanding that a developer do more, you've actually stood up and offered to help. I salute you. Err wait, nevermind, I read your post wrong. -jef"P.U.O.S.U"spaleta From Alor at taipang.com Sun Oct 10 16:44:48 2004 From: Alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:44:48 +0600 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> After rebooting system any corrections in /etc/fstab are avoid. And I must correct fstab every booting. I insert iocharset parameter in some lines. -- Best Regards, Alor Long Tai-Pang From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 16:50:52 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:52 +0100 Subject: system-config-services Message-ID: Since yesterday's batch of updates, system-config-services isn't working for me. When I try to run it from bash, I get File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 115 else ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax When I fix that error (a missing : after the else), I get the deprecation warnings noted ihere: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134978 And then the following traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 676, in ? main() File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 660, in main Gui() File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 225, in __init__ self.editing_runlevel = self.ServiceMethods.get_runlevel() File "/usr/share/system-config-services/servicemethods.py", line 173, in get_runlevel return runlevel_output[-1][2] IndexError: string index out of range That isn't as easy to debug, just by looking at the code. Anyone else seeing this? If not, maybe it's something specific on my system. From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 10 16:52:41 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:52:41 -0400 Subject: Sunday is not turning out nicely around here! In-Reply-To: <1097417512.4693.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097417030.4693.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097417512.4693.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <416968D9.3030906@speakeasy.net> Hi Paul, Sounds like a tough day to be sure. Looking at all your posts, I would say there is definitely something bad with the interaction between udev, hotplug hal and gnome-vfs* If I were you I would get the latest RPMs for those put them in /root/fixme and then do a -- for kicks you might want to drop back to udev-032-10 as 034 changes some timing issues. rpm -Uvh --force /root/fixme/*.rpm followed by a udevstart sync sync and a reboot. I can read an burn data cds and access music cds from a user account just find under kernel 603 and the latest updates. I am having a weird problem with HAL when I plug my WG511 in (its new) hal stops working correctly, until hald is restarted. You might try that as well, just do a /etc/rc.d/init.d/haldaemon restart After logging in and see if nautilus at least seems to feel better. Good luck Paul wrote: >Hi, > > > >>First nautilus vanishes >>Next fstab starts playing silly buggers >>Now I have no sound at all >> >> > >Add to that having to use ctrl backspace to logout (though I don't need >to when using kde, only gnome) and also desktop background preferences >seems broken as well. > >It *really* isn't my day! > >TTFN > >Paul > > From ddollar at blueshiftdesign.com Sun Oct 10 16:53:14 2004 From: ddollar at blueshiftdesign.com (David Dollar) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:53:14 -0400 Subject: system-config-services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097427194.12405.0.camel@neon.periodic> I've had the same problem since updating this morning, it's not just you. On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 17:50 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > Since yesterday's batch of updates, system-config-services isn't > working for me. > > When I try to run it from bash, I get > > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 115 > else > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > When I fix that error (a missing : after the else), I get the > deprecation warnings noted ihere: > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134978 > > And then the following traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 676, in ? > main() > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 660, in main > Gui() > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 225, in __init__ > self.editing_runlevel = self.ServiceMethods.get_runlevel() > File "/usr/share/system-config-services/servicemethods.py", line > 173, in get_runlevel > return runlevel_output[-1][2] > IndexError: string index out of range > > That isn't as easy to debug, just by looking at the code. Anyone else > seeing this? If not, maybe it's something specific on my system. > From mattwhiteley at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 17:07:39 2004 From: mattwhiteley at gmail.com (matt whiteley) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:07:39 -0700 Subject: sata_nv NForce3 SATA driver on installer In-Reply-To: <1097379351.4263.33.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097379351.4263.33.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <72ae109c04101010073973681c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:35:51 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I have a lot of PATA hard drives laying around. I really want to use the > SATA controllers on my MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard, but I'm loathe > to buy an SATA hard drive. Instead I bought a serial ATA converter that > plugs into a PATA drive and turns it into an SATA drive. I chose the > Highpoint RocketHead 100 Serial ATA Converter. > > For the test drive, I plugged the converter into an older (around 1999) > 25.5 Gb IBM drive and connected that to the SATA1 controller on the > motherboard. I booted off the FC3 x86_64 CD 1 to start the installation > process, entering 'linux askmethod' at the prompt and selecting an NFS > Image installation method. > > The installation soon comes to a halt. The installer says it can't find > any hard drives. I come to a panel offering me the chance to select > drivers that might do what is needed. There is nothing in the list for > Nvidia or NForce3 SATA, although a bunch of other SATA drivers are > provided for other chipsets. > > Since the installer is offering me the chance to provide a driver -- > good! -- I run over to another machine to see if I can get the sata_nv > driver on a floppy disk. I succeed, press F2 on the installer panel, and > get this message: > > cannot find /tmp/drivers/modinfo, bad driver disk > > Can anyone tell me what this is about? > > What's the correct method of providing an external driver to the > installer -- how do I do that correctly? > > And finally, even though I couldn't get the driver loaded for a fresh > installation of FC3T2 -- a fully updated FC3T2 drive with the 603 kernel > will boot just fine as an SATA device. I was pleasantly surprised. > smartd fails at boot time, and my Logitech QuickCam 4000 suddenly isn't > recognized, but what the heck -- my FC3T2 drive is on SATA, and seems to > work just fine. > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA I have a similar board, the MSI K8N Neo Platinum (7030) and am having the same issue as you. I know that you need to make a driver disk with a certain format (layout not file format) that contains other files besides the modules. I am trying to find a good description for one and will post a set of steps if one works. -- matt whiteley From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 17:09:23 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:09:23 +0100 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> Message-ID: <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > Just for giggles, try creating a new user and see if that user has > problems. Also have a look at what's in .local. I had some stuff in > there once that made me nuts. New user, no difference .local/share to .local/shared and restart, no difference Nautilus is hosed due to one of the updates today. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stolte wrote: > >>you should update the usage print and man page nevertheless. >> >>/ds > > > Pretty sure Seth takes patches... to both code and documentation. > Thank you for volunteering to help Seth update the > documentation...that's very kind of you. You're response is breath > takenly refreshing change from the more pedestrian requests for new > features and better behavior that I've come accustomed to seeing when > community interact with developers. If only more people would follow > your model and would come forward and help developers with some of the > less difficult tasks that get prioritized low on the todo list in > favor of the harder core functionality fixes that take experienced > developer manhours, every open source project would benefit. I marvel > at your dedication to move things forward, at your ability to help > with the tasks that you can. Instead of just demanding that a > developer do more, you've actually stood up and offered to help. I > salute you. > > Err wait, nevermind, I read your post wrong. > > -jef"P.U.O.S.U"spaleta > From lnxxprt at arcor.de Sun Oct 10 17:25:18 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:25:18 +0200 Subject: up2date In-Reply-To: <1097425694.7749.15.camel@binkley> References: <20041010024945.21103.qmail@web80402.mail.yahoo.com> <1097376839.7749.5.camel@binkley> <1097409333.4605.5.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1097419729.7749.7.camel@binkley> <41696124.4050302@arcor.de> <1097425694.7749.15.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <4169707E.7060504@arcor.de> i dont know which commands/options yum knows and what they do or how they work now either so i am not the right person for this task, sorry. /ds seth vidal wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 18:19 +0200, D. Stolte wrote: > >>you should update the usage print and man page nevertheless. >> > > > sure. and if you'd like to send me some patches to update those, I'll be > glad to accept them. There are some folks on the yum-devel list updating > the docs now, and their contributions are happily accepted. > > -sv > > From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 17:32:41 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:32:41 +0100 Subject: Sunday is not turning out nicely around here! In-Reply-To: <416968D9.3030906@speakeasy.net> References: <1097417030.4693.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097417512.4693.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <416968D9.3030906@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1097429561.4495.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > After logging in and see if nautilus at least seems to feel better. Nautilus is back, but still no sound. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You have problems because authors of 'hal' (I think that this is 'hal' but a startup interplay is getting more complicated and I am not sure anymore what is messing with what) got into a deep funk and imagine that they know better than you what should be in your fstab and are overwriting it on every boot. Until we will get back a control over what may or may not be modified in /etc/fstab various aspects of that will be always totally busted; sometimes in very dangerous and surprising ways. File a bug in bugzilla. Complaining on this list has a very limited impact. Michal From cuhi at gmx.de Sun Oct 10 18:02:33 2004 From: cuhi at gmx.de (FrankBlack) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:02:33 +0200 Subject: fedora core 3 test 2 dvd install Message-ID: <200410101802.i9AI2g6G016177@mx1.redhat.com> _____ Von: FrankBlack [mailto:cuhi at gmx.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2004 18:16 An: 'fedora-test-list at redhat.com' Betreff: fedora core 3 test 2 dvd install Hello, I just downloaded the fedora core 3 test 2 dvd iso, checked the md5 checksum and burned a bootable dvd. The "install kernel" loads fine, but after selecting the language etc. the installer asks for the medium holding my installation files (cd-rom, nfs, harddisk, ftp, http) and if I try to select cd-rom it gives me an "no cd found" error. So, how do I select the dvd drive or doesn't that installer/kernel support my dvd drive? But it can load the installation program? If I switch the console there's an error messages: "Could not identify cd-rom format" Well, it's a dvd not a cd and I don't whether standard dvd's are using iso9660 or not, what's wrong with this picture? Cheers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 10 18:12:47 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:12:47 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already Message-ID: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> Firstly, I think that the file saving dialogbox is becoming close to being as useless as the windows file saving defaults of recent times. Just giving one the end directory leaves the user clueless to what the location of the file is. I like the fully qualified pathnames displayed. Anyway, that is not the most annoying problem with the new way that files are saved without prompting the user if the file already exists. This should not happen. Another problem with the new file locator is that if you create a new directory, then click to save a file into the directory, it will crash your application. Is this gnome default degradation or an attempt to remove the usefulness of file managers within the next distribution? If this is a gnome strategy to emulate windows behavior, it is too distracting. If they think these changes make sense, I don't see the rationality to destroy once useful behavior into chaotic and brief information. Other than those problems, things looks fairly decent with the FC3 development. Jim From talbotscott at cox.net Sun Oct 10 18:14:47 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:14:47 -0700 Subject: DVD Video discs are not recognized by FC3T2 In-Reply-To: <20041010154700.63317.qmail@web60610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041010154700.63317.qmail@web60610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097432087.15508.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 08:47 -0700, Joe wrote: > I tried putting several DVD Video discs in my DVD > burner to watch some movies in Mplayer. But I'd say > 90% of the time, the movie disc isn't recognized > properly and nautilus puts an icon on the desktop > called "DVD-ROM Disc" Clicking on the icon gives the > CD/DVD Creator nautilus window. It thinks it's a DVD-R > disc. This is obviously wrong. > So, the disc-writer doesn't come up until you click on the icon? sounds about normal - say there is no default for this media? > The correct behavior is should give the Volume name of > the movie and nautilus should automatically launch the > gmplayer command line I set in nautilus to play DVD > movies. > > What's more interesting is I can do: > mplayer dvd://1 > I did this just yesterday and so far it works consistantly, though I use dvd://$s. does this not play your movies everytime? > And the dvd disc plays correctly in mplayer. > > Or I can load gmplayer, and set the DVD path to > /dev/cdrom at select Play DVD from the menu and the > movie plays! udev gave me a /dev/dvd already so I didn't change it as I had to in FC2 > This behavior is inconsistent. I'd say 1 out of 8 > tries or so, the disc is properly recognized and > gmplayer launches. But most of the time, I get the > CD/DVD Creator window. Since the disc isn't mounted, I > can eject the discs from the drive without doing > Right-click Disc Icon->Eject Disc. so you get the nautilus CD-Creator window upon the disc being read, without your doing anything? and the default mplayer dvd://1 is in place? I'd have to guess that there is some problem that nautilus can't tell that it is a non-blank dvd. When it does this can you close the window and start mplayer manually? if not, perhaps a line to mplayer.hu would be good? > I know my DVD drive works correctly because when I > dual-boot back to Windows XP, the DVD movies play > consistently 100% in PowerDVD. > > System: > FC3Test2 synced to RAWHIDE as of Oct. 10, 2004 > DVD Drive: IDE Plextor PX-708A DVDRW+- drive > > DVD Movies Tested: > -Mean Girls > -Azumanga Daioh > -Deep Space Nine: Season 7: Disc 3 > > Joe Scott From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 10 18:17:51 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:17:51 -0400 Subject: sata_nv NForce3 SATA driver on installer In-Reply-To: <72ae109c04101010073973681c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097379351.4263.33.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <72ae109c04101010073973681c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097432271.3842.53.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 10:07 -0700, matt whiteley wrote: > On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:35:51 -0400, Robert L Cochran > wrote: > > I have a lot of PATA hard drives laying around. I really want to use the > > SATA controllers on my MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard, but I'm loathe > > to buy an SATA hard drive. Instead I bought a serial ATA converter that > > plugs into a PATA drive and turns it into an SATA drive. I chose the > > Highpoint RocketHead 100 Serial ATA Converter. > > > > For the test drive, I plugged the converter into an older (around 1999) > > 25.5 Gb IBM drive and connected that to the SATA1 controller on the > > motherboard. I booted off the FC3 x86_64 CD 1 to start the installation > > process, entering 'linux askmethod' at the prompt and selecting an NFS > > Image installation method. > > > > The installation soon comes to a halt. The installer says it can't find > > any hard drives. I come to a panel offering me the chance to select > > drivers that might do what is needed. There is nothing in the list for > > Nvidia or NForce3 SATA, although a bunch of other SATA drivers are > > provided for other chipsets. > > > > Since the installer is offering me the chance to provide a driver -- > > good! -- I run over to another machine to see if I can get the sata_nv > > driver on a floppy disk. I succeed, press F2 on the installer panel, and > > get this message: > > > > cannot find /tmp/drivers/modinfo, bad driver disk > > > > Can anyone tell me what this is about? > > > > What's the correct method of providing an external driver to the > > installer -- how do I do that correctly? > > > > And finally, even though I couldn't get the driver loaded for a fresh > > installation of FC3T2 -- a fully updated FC3T2 drive with the 603 kernel > > will boot just fine as an SATA device. I was pleasantly surprised. > > smartd fails at boot time, and my Logitech QuickCam 4000 suddenly isn't > > recognized, but what the heck -- my FC3T2 drive is on SATA, and seems to > > work just fine. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob Cochran > > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > I have a similar board, the MSI K8N Neo Platinum (7030) and am having > the same issue as you. I know that you need to make a driver disk with > a certain format (layout not file format) that contains other files > besides the modules. I am trying to find a good description for one > and will post a set of steps if one works. > > -- > matt whiteley > Matt -- I found this email which led me to what appears to be a set of excellent how-to-create-driver disk web pages (posted by David Kewley) and a driver disk development kit made by Red Hat's Doug Ledford: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0404.3/0107.html I've downloaded the code and will start playing with it later today since I'll have the time. Bob Cochran From talbotscott at cox.net Sun Oct 10 18:21:49 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:21:49 -0700 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 09:47 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 01:05 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135161 sounds > > like a good solution IMHO. > > It does sound like something reasonable, but IMHO it's a solution > looking for a problem. Up2date already skips kernel packages by default, > and forces you to specifically request that the kernel be updated. > > For 99% (or more) of the people who use up2date, selecting that means > that they *do* want to install and use the new kernel, and up2date keeps > the old kernel around for safety and so that you can go back to it if > you have any problems. This behavior was consistent and clear, and I've > *NEVER* seen anyone complain that setting the new kernel as default was > inappropriate and excessively risky. > > This change makes *no* sense. Now I have to run up2date. Specifically > select the kernel to be updated from the list of skipped packages. And > then, once it's all said and done, the new up2date forces me to go edit > grub.conf??? NO! > seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the (yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. That way we each get what we want. > It's damned unfriendly behavior from an application, and smacks of a > Microsoft-style "Are you really really sure you want to do this?" > attitude. What you're going to get is a boatload of users who never use > a new kernel since they didn't know enough to edit grub.conf. > > This change is a HUGE step backward, contributes *NOTHING* to the > general safety and reliability of Linux and indeed will reduce it as > people start using older and older kernels because the new ones were > never selected as the default. > > What do we have to do to get it changed back to the sane way it used to > operate? > > Cheers, From talbotscott at cox.net Sun Oct 10 18:34:55 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:34:55 -0700 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> Message-ID: <1097433295.15508.17.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 22:44 +0600, Alor wrote: > After rebooting system any corrections in /etc/fstab are avoid. > And I must correct fstab every booting. > I insert iocharset parameter in some lines. > > -- > Best Regards, > > Alor Long > Tai-Pang You might try to remove the "managed" parameter. This has replaced the "kudzu" of old. I don't know that it will work, and there may even be a udev rule that would be better, but hey give it a try - can't hurt too much! Scott From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 18:36:30 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:36:30 +0100 Subject: Which of todays upgrades can affect audio? Message-ID: <1097433391.4495.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Now that I've got nautilus back (and just about all the other bits and pieces), I'm trying to track down what's stopping sound coming out. All in all, it seems that other than evolution, most of todays updates are not good for the health! xmss is not reporting that /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 are blocked and gnome- volume-manager is not showing any audio channels as being mute, yet no sound comes out. It's not an Alsa problem either as changing to OSS doesn't enable sound. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 10 18:38:44 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:38:44 +0200 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> Message-ID: <1097433524.4100.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 22:44 +0600, Alor a ?crit : > After rebooting system any corrections in /etc/fstab are avoid. > And I must correct fstab every booting. Use gnome-volume-properties. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From david at fubar.dk Sun Oct 10 18:45:29 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:29 -0400 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 11:52 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 10:44:48PM +0600, Alor wrote: > > After rebooting system any corrections in /etc/fstab are avoid. > > And I must correct fstab every booting. > > I insert iocharset parameter in some lines. > > You have problems because authors of 'hal' (I think that this is > 'hal' but a startup interplay is getting more complicated and I am > not sure anymore what is messing with what) got into a deep funk and > imagine that they know better than you what should be in your fstab > and are overwriting it on every boot. Sigh. You are describing fstab-sync which is part of hal. Sure, there's missing a manpage for fstab-sync, that will happen soon, but if you bothered to look a bit at the software you would find that fstab-sync is only modifying /etc/fstab entries that has the 'managed' or 'kudzu' keyword. That's not really different from updfstab. > Until we will get back a > control over what may or may not be modified in /etc/fstab various > aspects of that will be always totally busted; sometimes in very > dangerous and surprising ways. > Control of what entries added to fstab-sync will get added to Rawhide very soon. I'll post a mail to fedora-devel when it is in. > File a bug in bugzilla. Complaining on this list has a very > limited impact. > Constructive mails to this list doesn't have a very limited impact. Regards, David From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 18:45:59 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:59 -0400 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910410101145346c3273@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:09:23 +0100, Paul wrote: > Nautilus is hosed due to one of the updates today. Fascinating.... you can try to verify that by reverting all the packages you installed today one by one and testing to see which package caused the problem. Commands you might find useful when doing this reversion troubleshooting: To find what was installed today: rpm -qa --last To revert a package: rpm -Uvh --oldpackage /path/to/oldpackage.whatever.rpm You might get lucky and have old versions of the packages in the yum or up2date cache on disk. If not someone on the list might be kind enough to point you to an online archive of older packages to revert to. -jef From selinux at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 18:47:08 2004 From: selinux at gmail.com (Tom London) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:47:08 -0700 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4c4ba15304101011477f552657@mail.gmail.com> I had this problem in spades, but determined that GConf2 and libbonobo were messed up. I reinstalled both (and libbonobo-devel) from the yum cache, rebooted, and the problem vanished.... [I ran 'rpm -ivh --force libbonobo-*-2.8.0-2.i386.rpm', and previously 'rpm -ivh --force GConf2-2.8.0.1-1.i386.rpm'.] I have no idea why these packages got 'corrupted'. tom [The symptom for GConf2 was that gconftool-2 was segfaulting, the symptom for nautilus/gnome-settings/etc. was that /usr/libexec/bonobo-activation-server was segfaulting.] On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:09:23 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > Just for giggles, try creating a new user and see if that user has > > problems. Also have a look at what's in .local. I had some stuff in > > there once that made me nuts. > > New user, no difference > .local/share to .local/shared and restart, no difference > > Nautilus is hosed due to one of the updates today. > > > > TTFN > > Paul > -- > Homer: Donut? > Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? > Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- Tom London From clydekunkel7734 at cox.net Sun Oct 10 18:47:18 2004 From: clydekunkel7734 at cox.net (Clyde E. Kunkel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:47:18 -0400 Subject: system-config-services In-Reply-To: <1097427194.12405.0.camel@neon.periodic> References: <1097427194.12405.0.camel@neon.periodic> Message-ID: <1097434038.5751.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 12:53 -0400, David Dollar wrote: > I've had the same problem since updating this morning, it's not just > you. > > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 17:50 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > Since yesterday's batch of updates, system-config-services isn't > > working for me. > > > > When I try to run it from bash, I get > > > > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 115 > > else > > ^ > > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > > > I'm having same. Not in bugzilla that I can see. -- Clyde Kunkel FedoraCore 3 Test 2 on an ASUS P4C800-E From david at fubar.dk Sun Oct 10 18:49:51 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:49:51 -0400 Subject: DVD Video discs are not recognized by FC3T2 In-Reply-To: <20041010154700.63317.qmail@web60610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041010154700.63317.qmail@web60610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097434192.5921.11.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 08:47 -0700, Joe wrote: > I tried putting several DVD Video discs in my DVD > burner to watch some movies in Mplayer. But I'd say > 90% of the time, the movie disc isn't recognized > properly and nautilus puts an icon on the desktop > called "DVD-ROM Disc" Clicking on the icon gives the > CD/DVD Creator nautilus window. It thinks it's a DVD-R > disc. This is obviously wrong. > This sounds strange. If you get the burn:/// window the text below the icon should be something like "Blank DVD-R disc". > The correct behavior is should give the Volume name of > the movie and nautilus should automatically launch the > gmplayer command line I set in nautilus to play DVD > movies. > > What's more interesting is I can do: > mplayer dvd://1 > > And the dvd disc plays correctly in mplayer. > > Or I can load gmplayer, and set the DVD path to > /dev/cdrom at select Play DVD from the menu and the > movie plays! > > This behavior is inconsistent. I'd say 1 out of 8 > tries or so, the disc is properly recognized and > gmplayer launches. But most of the time, I get the > CD/DVD Creator window. Since the disc isn't mounted, I > can eject the discs from the drive without doing > Right-click Disc Icon->Eject Disc. > > I know my DVD drive works correctly because when I > dual-boot back to Windows XP, the DVD movies play > consistently 100% in PowerDVD. > > System: > FC3Test2 synced to RAWHIDE as of Oct. 10, 2004 > DVD Drive: IDE Plextor PX-708A DVDRW+- drive > > DVD Movies Tested: > -Mean Girls > -Azumanga Daioh > -Deep Space Nine: Season 7: Disc 3 > Please file a bug against hal and follow up. Also please attach the output of 'lshal' to that bug. Thanks, David From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 10 18:49:12 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:49:12 +0200 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 14:12 -0400, Jim Cornette a ?crit : > Is this gnome default degradation or an attempt to remove the usefulness > of file managers within the next distribution? No, it's just for fun. Isn't it funny ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope this helps, David From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 18:57:39 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:57:39 -0400 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <4c4ba15304101011477f552657@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4c4ba15304101011477f552657@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041010115747f44365@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:47:08 -0700, Tom London wrote: > [I ran 'rpm -ivh --force libbonobo-*-2.8.0-2.i386.rpm', and previously > 'rpm -ivh --force GConf2-2.8.0.1-1.i386.rpm'.] Before you do a force reinstall of a package please can you try a couple of things: 1)rpm -q packagename and make sure there aren't unexpected duplicates of a package installed. Having duplicates installed when you dont expect them to be can be indictive of other package update problems. 2) can you do an rpm -V package on the package to verify that the files on disk are as expected. rpm -V should return nothing for most packages, and at most should show you the configuration files you have editted by hand. but if rpm -V output shows things that are clearly not configuration files, or shows a long list of files thats another indication that the upgrade process didnt work as expected. -jef From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 18:57:38 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:57:38 +0100 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410101145346c3273@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410101145346c3273@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097434658.4495.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > Nautilus is hosed due to one of the updates today. > > Fascinating.... > you can try to verify that by reverting all the packages you installed > today one by one > and testing to see which package caused the problem. It was either gnome-vfs2 or udev. I replaced both, did a couple of syncs and rebooted. Everything (other than sound) is working happily now. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 10 18:58:24 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:58:24 +0200 Subject: Sunday is not turning out nicely around here! In-Reply-To: <1097429561.4495.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097417030.4693.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097417512.4693.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <416968D9.3030906@speakeasy.net> <1097429561.4495.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097434704.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 18:32 +0100, Paul a ?crit : > Hi, > > > After logging in and see if nautilus at least seems to feel better. > > Nautilus is back, but still no sound. > No sound or sound muted ? try : cat /proc/asound/cards If there is some card, use alsamixer to unmute channels. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought that was largely a relic of the past. Or at the very least, not necessary at all when doing a clean reboot. In fact, other than using the -n switch on halt, poweroff, or reboot, I can't think of *any* other reason to use sync manually at the command line. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 19:07:27 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:07:27 +0100 Subject: Sunday is not turning out nicely around here! In-Reply-To: <1097434704.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097417030.4693.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097417512.4693.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <416968D9.3030906@speakeasy.net> <1097429561.4495.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097434704.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097435247.6065.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > No sound or sound muted ? No sound. Not even from sys-conf-soundcards > try : > cat /proc/asound/cards Showing two soundcards : card 0, Audigy sound blaster, IRQ 11. card 1, Intel 82801 IRQ 5. > If there is some card, use alsamixer to unmute channels. Tried that. No sound still. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 19:08:20 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:08:20 +0100 Subject: system-config-services In-Reply-To: <1097427194.12405.0.camel@neon.periodic> References: <1097427194.12405.0.camel@neon.periodic> Message-ID: I've entered this in bugzilla: Bug 135215 On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:53:14 -0400, David Dollar wrote: > I've had the same problem since updating this morning, it's not just > you. > > > > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 17:50 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > Since yesterday's batch of updates, system-config-services isn't > > working for me. > > > > When I try to run it from bash, I get > > > > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 115 > > else > > ^ > > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > > > When I fix that error (a missing : after the else), I get the > > deprecation warnings noted ihere: > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134978 > > > > And then the following traceback: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 676, in ? > > main() > > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 660, in main > > Gui() > > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 225, in __init__ > > self.editing_runlevel = self.ServiceMethods.get_runlevel() > > File "/usr/share/system-config-services/servicemethods.py", line > > 173, in get_runlevel > > return runlevel_output[-1][2] > > IndexError: string index out of range > > > > That isn't as easy to debug, just by looking at the code. Anyone else > > seeing this? If not, maybe it's something specific on my system. > > > > From selinux at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 19:11:46 2004 From: selinux at gmail.com (Tom London) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:11:46 -0700 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <1097435055.7387.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410101145346c3273@mail.gmail.com> <1097434658.4495.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097435055.7387.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <4c4ba1530410101211492d864d@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for not exploring more before doing the forced reinstall, but the system appeared quite unstable. Anyway, following Jeff's advice, I get: [root at fedora ~]# rpm -V GConf2 [root at fedora ~]# rpm -V libbonobo [root at fedora ~]# rpm -q gnome-vfs2 gnome-vfs2-2.8.1-8 [root at fedora ~]# rpm -V gnome-vfs2 S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-cat S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-copy S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-info S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-ls S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-mkdir S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-rm S.?...... /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0.800.1 S.?...... /usr/libexec/gnome-vfs-daemon [root at fedora ~]# [root at fedora ~]# rpm -q udev udev-034-2 [root at fedora ~]# rpm -V udev [root at fedora ~]# What else can I report? Is it safe to do the 'reinstall' thing for gnome-vfs2? tom On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:04:15 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 14:57, Paul wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > It was either gnome-vfs2 or udev. I replaced both, did a couple of syncs > > and rebooted. Everything (other than sound) is working happily now. > > A bit off the thread topic, but I find this curious, especially since > I've seen a few posts mentioning this. Why bother with doing syncs? I > thought that was largely a relic of the past. Or at the very least, not > necessary at all when doing a clean reboot. In fact, other than using > the -n switch on halt, poweroff, or reboot, I can't think of *any* other > reason to use sync manually at the command line. > > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Tom London From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 19:22:24 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:22:24 -0400 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20041010192224.GA9945@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 11:52:03AM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > and are overwriting it on every boot. Until we will get back a > control over what may or may not be modified in /etc/fstab various > aspects of that will be always totally busted; sometimes in very > dangerous and surprising ways. chattr +i /etc/fstab stops HAL from screwing up your computer. It's not the "ideal" solution but its a quick temporary one. Probably hal needs to learn to merge its settings better so user preferences are kept. > File a bug in bugzilla. Complaining on this list has a very > limited impact. Indeed. From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 19:22:59 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:22:59 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041010192259.GB9945@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:12:47PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Anyway, that is not the most annoying problem with the new way that > files are saved without prompting the user if the file already exists. > This should not happen. Bugzilla > Another problem with the new file locator is that if you create a new > directory, then click to save a file into the directory, it will crash > your application. Ditto From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 19:24:54 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:24:54 -0400 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041010192454.GC9945@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:45:29PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Sigh. > > You are describing fstab-sync which is part of hal. Sure, there's > missing a manpage for fstab-sync, that will happen soon, but if you And fstab doesn't reference it (thats a polite hint to make it do so when the page is added) > bothered to look a bit at the software you would find that fstab-sync is > only modifying /etc/fstab entries that has the 'managed' or 'kudzu' > keyword. That's not really different from updfstab. What are the locking rules. How do I update fstab without risking hal editing the file at the same time ? Is that simple or do we want "vifstab" like "vipw" ? From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 19:25:45 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:25:45 -0400 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <4c4ba1530410101211492d864d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410101145346c3273@mail.gmail.com> <1097434658.4495.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097435055.7387.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <4c4ba1530410101211492d864d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104101012256522346e@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:11:46 -0700, Tom London wrote: > Sorry for not exploring more before doing the forced reinstall, but > the system appeared quite unstable. it was more of some pointers for next time things go unstable. rpm -V is pretty handy. > [root at fedora ~]# rpm -q gnome-vfs2 > gnome-vfs2-2.8.1-8 > [root at fedora ~]# rpm -V gnome-vfs2 > S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-cat > S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-copy > S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-info > S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-ls > S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-mkdir > S.?...... /usr/bin/gnomevfs-rm > S.?...... /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0.800.1 > S.?...... /usr/libexec/gnome-vfs-daemon This tells me there might be problem with the gnome-vfs2 package as installed. This is saying that the Size of those files on disk is not the samesize as the rpmdb expected. The ? there is saying the md5sum check couldnt be performed. You can read up in the rpm man page about the syntax of the -V output for more information. Now its my understanding that rpm -V does attempt to take prelink activity into account, but if that feature is buggy you might be seeing some false positives due to prelink. On my system rpm -V gnome-vfs2 returns cleanly. So you might try reinstalling gnome-vfs2 and see if things get better. -jef From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 10 19:23:11 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:23:11 +0100 Subject: Nautilus has gone gaga In-Reply-To: <4c4ba1530410101211492d864d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097407259.4094.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41695D1F.4000407@baywinds.org> <1097428163.4703.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410101145346c3273@mail.gmail.com> <1097434658.4495.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097435055.7387.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <4c4ba1530410101211492d864d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097436191.6065.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi > What else can I report? Is it safe to do the 'reinstall' thing for gnome-vfs2? Yes. I'd also reinstall the "thou shalt not top post" rpm while you're there ;-) TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From selinux at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 20:48:15 2004 From: selinux at gmail.com (Tom London) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:48:15 -0700 Subject: running 'rpm -V' (was Re: Nautilus has gone gaga) Message-ID: <4c4ba153041010134833e490b0@mail.gmail.com> Since I had problems a few days ago with installs that corrupted the rpmdb on this system, I decided to try running 'rpm -V' against all my installed packages. Seems not to run well if your are running SELinux strict/enforcing. Runs better in permissive mode. When running as root, I get scads of messages like: .... prelink: /usr/lib/liblwres.so.1.1.2: at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking prelink: /usr/bin/dig: at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking prelink: /usr/bin/host: at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking prelink: /usr/bin/nslookup: at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking prelink: /usr/bin/nsupdate: at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking .... typically with an associated message like: S.?...... /usr/lib/liblwres.so.1.1.2 S.?...... /usr/bin/dig S.?...... /usr/bin/host S.?...... /usr/bin/nslookup S.?...... /usr/bin/nsupdate So the 64Mb question: Is this a result of prelinking? Is my rpmdb still messed up? Is this safely ignored? thanks, tom From mattwhiteley at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 21:02:33 2004 From: mattwhiteley at gmail.com (matt whiteley) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:02:33 -0700 Subject: sata_nv NForce3 SATA driver on installer In-Reply-To: <1097379351.4263.33.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097379351.4263.33.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <72ae109c04101014024b37e9c9@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:35:51 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I have a lot of PATA hard drives laying around. I really want to use the > SATA controllers on my MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard, but I'm loathe > to buy an SATA hard drive. Instead I bought a serial ATA converter that > plugs into a PATA drive and turns it into an SATA drive. I chose the > Highpoint RocketHead 100 Serial ATA Converter. > > For the test drive, I plugged the converter into an older (around 1999) > 25.5 Gb IBM drive and connected that to the SATA1 controller on the > motherboard. I booted off the FC3 x86_64 CD 1 to start the installation > process, entering 'linux askmethod' at the prompt and selecting an NFS > Image installation method. > > The installation soon comes to a halt. The installer says it can't find > any hard drives. I come to a panel offering me the chance to select > drivers that might do what is needed. There is nothing in the list for > Nvidia or NForce3 SATA, although a bunch of other SATA drivers are > provided for other chipsets. > > Since the installer is offering me the chance to provide a driver -- > good! -- I run over to another machine to see if I can get the sata_nv > driver on a floppy disk. I succeed, press F2 on the installer panel, and > get this message: > > cannot find /tmp/drivers/modinfo, bad driver disk > > Can anyone tell me what this is about? > > What's the correct method of providing an external driver to the > installer -- how do I do that correctly? > > And finally, even though I couldn't get the driver loaded for a fresh > installation of FC3T2 -- a fully updated FC3T2 drive with the 603 kernel > will boot just fine as an SATA device. I was pleasantly surprised. > smartd fails at boot time, and my Logitech QuickCam 4000 suddenly isn't > recognized, but what the heck -- my FC3T2 drive is on SATA, and seems to > work just fine. > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Well, I have done some work with it and have still not gotten anywhere. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can help us out. My main question is with all of the other sata drivers builtin why is the nforce3 one not? Is the linux support not stable? It booted the FC2 install fine and ran flawlessly until the 2.6.7 errata kernel when it needed massaging. Here is what I did. floppy\ -->modinfo -->module-info -->modules.cgz -->modules.dep -->pcitable -->rhdd Modinfo and module-info have the same contents. I made both since the instructions referenced the modinfo but the fedora boot cd contains /modules/module-info. -----------------modinfo & module-info--------------------- Version 0 sata_nv scsi "nForce3 SATA" ---------------modules.cgz-------------------------------- contains 2.6.8.-1.541/x86_64/sata_nv.ko I pulled this out of the kernel-2.6.8-1.541.x86_64.rpm ------------------modules.dep------------------------- sata_nv: libata scsi_mod ----------pcitable---------------------------------------- 0x10de 0x00ee "sata_nv" -----------rhdd-------------------------------------------- nForce3 SATA Driver Disk -------------------------------------------------------------- I then made a driver disk with: dd if=/dev/zero of=sata_nv.img bs=1024 count=1440 mkfs -t msdos sata_nv.img mount sata_nv.img /tmp/floppy -t msdos -o loop {copy files to /tmp/floppy} umount /tmp/floppy After all of this the install appears to find the disk and let me load it, but it doesn't show up in "found devices" and when I switch to a terminal lsmod shows that sata_nv is not loaded. If you want the files, or find anything else out, let me know. -- matt whiteley From lynn at garlic.com Sun Oct 10 21:22:29 2004 From: lynn at garlic.com (Anne & Lynn Wheeler) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:22:29 -0600 Subject: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 (SMP) kernels abort in boot with ext3 failed to load message In-Reply-To: <20041010071625.17BCF74157@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041010071625.17BCF74157@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097443349.12608.24.camel@lhwlinux> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 01:16, fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > From: Andrew > Subject: Re: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail bootFC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot - was "FC3T1 - 598 & > 603 kernel fail boot" > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > Message-ID: <41689DB5.4050008 at speakeasy.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I don't know for sure what is the matter, but I would recommend you > rebuild your initrd the ext3 module has to be loaded from the initial > ram disk since its needed before the root file system is mounted > > boot to the 541 kernel and as root > cd /boot > mv initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img initrd-2.6.8-1.603.bad.img > mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img 2.6.8-1.603 > > and > > mv initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img initrd-2.6.8-1.598.bad.img > mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img 2.6.8-1.598 > > And see how that works. > > No problem with 603 or 598 here. didn't help ... additional note ... this is smp machine with smp kernels, 598-smp, 603-smp, etc ... not simply 598 & 603. -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ From akabi at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 10 21:36:05 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: On Oct 10, 2004 at 11:21, Scott Talbot in a soothing rage wrote: >seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably >wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the >(yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. >That way we each get what we want. In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 That must be wonderful: I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere 17:33:51 up 104 days, 10:48, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 10 21:46:34 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:46:34 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 14:12 -0400, Jim Cornette a ?crit : > >>Is this gnome default degradation or an attempt to remove the usefulness >>of file managers within the next distribution? > > > No, it's just for fun. > Isn't it funny ? > It is starting to look like an intentional destruction of GNOME. I'll try out KDE after a long absense from the manager. My distraction with KDE was too much like windows. I had to use Konquerer to overcome the directory creation crash and replacing existing files without a prompt when using mozilla. Konquerer highlighted the already existing file and even prompted the user if they wanted to rename the conflicting file with a non-conflicting alternative. This is better behavior than mozilla of late. I'll search for, add a me too or file a new bug report for the crashing and overwriting problems. I doubt that an end directory vs. the full path to the file will be selected as default. From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Oct 10 22:04:49 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:04:49 +0200 Subject: system-config-services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097445889.4605.35.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> All, since I'm the culprit I might add a few words. First, I've put the previous version up at: http://people.redhat.com/nphilipp/BETA/system-config-services/system-config-services-0.8.10-1.noarch.rpm Just so you're not stuck with a broken one ;-). On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 17:50 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > Since yesterday's batch of updates, system-config-services isn't > working for me. > > When I try to run it from bash, I get > > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 115 > else > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax Grm. Typo, fixed this in CVS already. Note to myself: at least start the stuff once so you don't run out of brown paper bags. > > When I fix that error (a missing : after the else), I get the > deprecation warnings noted ihere: > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134978 > > And then the following traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 676, in ? > main() > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 660, in main > Gui() > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 225, in __init__ > self.editing_runlevel = self.ServiceMethods.get_runlevel() > File "/usr/share/system-config-services/servicemethods.py", line > 173, in get_runlevel > return runlevel_output[-1][2] > IndexError: string index out of range > > That isn't as easy to debug, just by looking at the code. Anyone else > seeing this? If not, maybe it's something specific on my system. It's not specific to your system, it was an attempt to make the UI non- blocking while running external commands that somehow slipped in... I shall fix that one shortly, either by backing the change out or by making it work. Sorry for the hassle, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From soltowja at comcast.net Sun Oct 10 22:06:25 2004 From: soltowja at comcast.net (John Soltow (Sabre)) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:06:25 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 41 In-Reply-To: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4169B261.2050405@comcast.net> Andrew, Tried it and didn't work. Prior to rebooting, I did a diff on the .603.img and .603.bad.img and did see that the two binaries differed. Matias Feliciano provided more information in another message. Details in my response there. Thanks, John >Message: 8 >Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:25:57 -0400 >From: Andrew >Subject: Re: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot - was "FC3T1 - 598 & > 603 kernel fail boot" >To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > >Message-ID: <41689DB5.4050008 at speakeasy.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi, > >I don't know for sure what is the matter, but I would recommend you >rebuild your initrd the ext3 module has to be loaded from the initial >ram disk since its needed before the root file system is mounted > >boot to the 541 kernel and as root >cd /boot >mv initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img initrd-2.6.8-1.603.bad.img >mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img 2.6.8-1.603 > >and > >mv initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img initrd-2.6.8-1.598.bad.img >mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img 2.6.8-1.598 > >And see how that works. > >No problem with 603 or 598 here. > >HTH, > >Andrew > > > From soltowja at comcast.net Sun Oct 10 22:06:43 2004 From: soltowja at comcast.net (John Soltow (Sabre)) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:06:43 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 41 In-Reply-To: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4169B273.10408@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 10 22:16:45 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:16:45 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <20041010192259.GB9945@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <20041010192259.GB9945@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4169B4CD.7050306@sbcglobal.net> Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:12:47PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Anyway, that is not the most annoying problem with the new way that >>files are saved without prompting the user if the file already exists. >>This should not happen. > > > Bugzilla Added to an already existing bug forthis problem. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135146 > > >>Another problem with the new file locator is that if you create a new >>directory, then click to save a file into the directory, it will crash >>your application. > > > Ditto > Newly submitted; https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135222 Jim From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sun Oct 10 22:18:51 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:18:51 -0700 Subject: Which of todays upgrades can affect audio? In-Reply-To: <1097433391.4495.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097433391.4495.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097446731.14869.7.camel@CirithUngol> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 19:36 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > Now that I've got nautilus back (and just about all the other bits and > pieces), I'm trying to track down what's stopping sound coming out. All > in all, it seems that other than evolution, most of todays updates are > not good for the health! > > xmss is not reporting that /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 are blocked and gnome- > volume-manager is not showing any audio channels as being mute, yet no > sound comes out. It's not an Alsa problem either as changing to OSS > doesn't enable sound. FC3t2 contains no OSS, that is emulation, and therefore still an alsa problem. Today's updates could be many things.. depending on when you got yours yesterday (and which international date 'yesterday' was) and from which mirror.. go to your yum log and find out what you installed, there is no way we can know. > TTFN > > Paul > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From camille_zavala at hotmail.com Sun Oct 10 22:27:50 2004 From: camille_zavala at hotmail.com (camille zavala) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:27:50 -0700 Subject: yum man page fixes (was Re: up2date) Message-ID: >Pretty sure Seth takes patches... to both code and documentation. I downloaded the SRPM thinking that I'd hack the sources, but I don't know Python so I'm useless there. Never mind, I can help with the documentation since I know troff. I'm posting here so that if someone besides Seth knows the answer, you can answer and save Seth some time. What are all those zero-length characters doing in docs/yum.8 before the periods? Usually \& appears only when the first character on the line is a dot. In the Synopsis command block, can I remove the deprecated "upgrade" command? If it's truly deprecated we should remove its documentation, or at least move it down to the bottom of the list. We also really should change that "*deprecated*" and its comment to be in italics. What's the organization of the list of commands in the Synopsis section? The list should be alphabetical unless we're giving the reader a better, more obvious ordering. (It doesn't seem obvious -- maybe I'm just stupid.) Uh oh. "yum clean oldheaders" doesn't work on my FC3T2 system with all updates as of today. It gives me a usage diagnostic. We should remove it from the man page if it doesn't do that any more. "yum clean" says it needs an option -- I'll change the docs. I'm sure I'll have other questions, but i'll bring them up in a followup message. Cheers, Camille _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 10 22:31:17 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:31:17 -0400 Subject: yum man page fixes (was Re: up2date) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097447477.22152.3.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 15:27 -0700, camille zavala wrote: > >Pretty sure Seth takes patches... to both code and documentation. > > I downloaded the SRPM thinking that I'd hack the sources, but I don't know > Python so I'm useless there. > > Never mind, I can help with the documentation since I know troff. I'm > posting here so that if someone besides Seth knows the answer, you can > answer and save Seth some time. > > What are all those zero-length characters doing in docs/yum.8 before the > periods? Usually \& appears only when the first character on the line is a > dot. > They were generated with a program I used to make the man pages many moons ago. Something called gtkman, I think. I don't think it is maintained anymore. > In the Synopsis command block, can I remove the deprecated "upgrade" > command? If it's truly deprecated we should remove its documentation, or at > least move it down to the bottom of the list. We also really should change > that "*deprecated*" and its comment to be in italics. You should join the yum-devel mailing list and ask these questions there. There are two folks working on the docs there: Menno Smits and Gijs Hollestelle who can you tell you what they've changed most recently. -sv From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sun Oct 10 23:08:05 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:08:05 -0700 Subject: Which of todays upgrades can affect audio? In-Reply-To: <1097433391.4495.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097433391.4495.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097449686.14869.13.camel@CirithUngol> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 19:36 +0100, Paul wrote: > xmss is not reporting that /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 are blocked and gnome- > volume-manager is not showing any audio channels as being mute, yet no > sound comes out. It's not an Alsa problem either as changing to OSS > doesn't enable sound. >From the rawhide report on 09 oct udev was changed, it appears to be the only thing that should effect sound output. From 10 oct rawhide report only the selinux policy changed that should effect it, but you'll have to list what rpms you actually changed since it worked to know. -andrew From rodd at clarkson.id.au Sun Oct 10 23:23:48 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:23:48 +1000 Subject: Re-installing with files/folders in partitions. Message-ID: <1097450628.3814.3.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> I've noticed a few times that while installing FC, the installer asks if you want to format partitions before installing. Does this mean that I could delete the contents of my partitions (say, using a boot disk, or the command prompt in the installer itself) but leave my home folders in the right partition? I want to be able to do a fresh reinstall of FC, but don't want to have to copy my home folder back from a file server after the reinstall. I'm hoping that if I use an existing partition, but don't format before install that the installer will be smart enough to leave the /home directory intact. Is this possible? Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Oct 10 23:30:05 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:30:05 -0600 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 17:36 -0400, ne... wrote: > In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed > but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the > kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. > In *your* case that is a perfectly reasonable point of view. However, the question is not what works best for *you* or *me*, but rather what we as a community believe is the best default behavior. This default should take into account the preference of the majority of users, the consequences of unintended behavior (if the new kernel is not the default, most "GUI-only" users will forever use the first kernel they had... if the new kernel *is* the default, a bad new kernel could cause havoc), and the existing status quo (how are things done now, and what is the standard way they have been done so far). I understand your preference but believe that you are in a small minority. I think the majority of users are "protected" enough by having to specifically request that the kernel be updated instead of skipped, and that the large majority either wants or needs the kernel to be updated. After all, up2date is not primarily a package *fetcher*, it's a package *updater*. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sure, there's > > missing a manpage for fstab-sync, that will happen soon, but if you > > And fstab doesn't reference it (thats a polite hint to make it do so when > the page is added) > Sure. > > bothered to look a bit at the software you would find that fstab-sync is > > only modifying /etc/fstab entries that has the 'managed' or 'kudzu' > > keyword. That's not really different from updfstab. > > What are the locking rules. How do I update fstab without risking hal > editing the file at the same time ? hal uses flock(2) and has some checks to see if the file was changed in the tiny time interval from a) fstab-sync is started; and b) when the copy is renamed to /etc/fstab (e.g. atomic operation). > Is that simple or do we want > "vifstab" like "vipw" ? > No, I don't think we need that - there weren't one with updfstab so why should there be one now? David From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Sun Oct 10 23:56:24 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:56:24 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097452584.4193.28.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Ok, automatically changing the default to the newly installed kernel is only a problem in rawhide (and FC-test), right? On the other hand a kernel update won't be push to the stable fedora unless it was tested, right? So, why not making it configurable with the following default settings: In Fedora Core (stable). change the default to the new kernel In Rawhide. don't change the default, just add install the new kernel. Obviously, the user should be able to change the setting if he wants to. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 11 00:12:23 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:12:23 -0400 Subject: Re-installing with files/folders in partitions. In-Reply-To: <1097450628.3814.3.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> References: <1097450628.3814.3.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> Message-ID: <1097453543.4193.39.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 09:23 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > I've noticed a few times that while installing FC, the installer asks if > you want to format partitions before installing. > > Does this mean that I could delete the contents of my partitions (say, > using a boot disk, or the command prompt in the installer itself) but > leave my home folders in the right partition? > > I want to be able to do a fresh reinstall of FC, but don't want to have > to copy my home folder back from a file server after the reinstall. I'm > hoping that if I use an existing partition, but don't format before > install that the installer will be smart enough to leave the /home > directory intact. > > Is this possible? > Yes, this is what I'm doing that right now. LABEL=FC3T2 / LABEL=HOME /home When I update (or install a new distribution in parallel), I set /home to the appropriate partitions, and add necessary users. But remember, the you have to tell the installer not to format any partition you want to reuse. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 11 00:20:33 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:20:33 -0600 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:45:29PM -0400 References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:45:29PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > ... but if you > bothered to look a bit at the software you would find that fstab-sync is > only modifying /etc/fstab entries that has the 'managed' or 'kudzu' > keyword. That would be nice but so far my experiments do not confirm that. I mean that entries you mention indeed were not touched. The problem is that new entries, referencing the same devices but with a higher numbered mount points showed up. Not so great. As I understand that this is still in flux I am still waiting how this really end up before starting specific complaints. > That's not really different from updfstab. The difference is that updfstab was not trying hard to work around me and was not reaching beyond removable media. > Control of what entries added to fstab-sync will get added to Rawhide > very soon. I'll post a mail to fedora-devel when it is in. Thanks. That is what I am waiting for. Also a "no surprises" default behaviour would be desirable and at least some documetation. > > File a bug in bugzilla. Complaining on this list has a very > > limited impact. > > Constructive mails to this list doesn't have a very limited impact. If they will get noticed by corresponding developers and if they will be deemed "constructive". :-) OTOH Mike Harris, for example, has an "If it is not in bugzilla then it Does Not Exist" matra of a very long standing. Michal From rodd at clarkson.id.au Mon Oct 11 00:21:12 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:21:12 +1000 Subject: Re-installing with files/folders in partitions. In-Reply-To: <1097453543.4193.39.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1097450628.3814.3.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1097453543.4193.39.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097454072.3814.8.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> > > I want to be able to do a fresh reinstall of FC, but don't want to have > > to copy my home folder back from a file server after the reinstall. I'm > > hoping that if I use an existing partition, but don't format before > > install that the installer will be smart enough to leave the /home > > directory intact. > > > > Is this possible? > > > > Yes, this is what I'm doing that right now. > > LABEL=FC3T2 / > LABEL=HOME /home > > > When I update (or install a new distribution in parallel), I set /home > to the appropriate partitions, and add necessary users. > > But remember, the you have to tell the installer not to format any > partition you want to reuse. I should have been clearer. I have: /dev/hda3 / /dev/hda2 /boot hda3 (/) includes /home as part of it. I'm wanting to delete all the folders except /home from / and then trying to reinstall. Will this work? given that your situation above works, and that Linux just sees all the partitions as a single file system then I should be fine, but... Rodd From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 00:29:32 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:29:32 -0400 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041010172975244598@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:20:33 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > That would be nice but so far my experiments do not confirm that. > I mean that entries you mention indeed were not touched. The > problem is that new entries, referencing the same devices but > with a higher numbered mount points showed up. Not so great. There is a clear lack of communication going on. I did a quick search in bugzilla against hal and I'm not seeing anything like this reported. I could have missed a bugreport, my bugzilla-foo isnt perfect. But if this isn't filed you need to file a bug, with before and after /etc/fstab attached to show whats going on that you think is a problem. > As I understand that this is still in flux I am still waiting > how this really end up before starting specific complaints. I think your previous post was full of enough malicious intent for the next 10 years. So how about isntead of complaining, or assuming the developers are working against what you want to do... how about you file a contructive bug report that details the problem as concretely as possible. If you wait too long to report the problem, you'll won't see it fixed...and you'll have only yourself to blame. -jef From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 00:33:47 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:33:47 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:46:34PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > It is starting to look like an intentional destruction of GNOME. I'll > try out KDE after a long absense from the manager. My distraction with > KDE was too much like windows. I had to use Konquerer to overcome the Much as I despise the new file selector in Gnome I'm quite sure the folks who did it genuinely believe it is better and are still trying improvements out. One of the effects of doing new stuff is it has bugs in it. From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 00:40:58 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:58 -0400 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <1097451962.3762.12.camel@davidz> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> <20041010192454.GC9945@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097451962.3762.12.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041011004058.GD19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> > hal uses flock(2) and has some checks to see if the file was changed in > the tiny time interval from a) fstab-sync is started; and b) when the > copy is renamed to /etc/fstab (e.g. atomic operation). Ok that makes sense except for NFS (where disk time and local time tend to diverge horribly). Also you might want to use posix locks not flock if you want locks to work across a network - although I cannot see a single reason why you'd want to do that at the moment. > > Is that simple or do we want > > "vifstab" like "vipw" ? > > > > No, I don't think we need that - there weren't one with updfstab so why > should there be one now? updfstab only got run at boot generally. Either way the time checking sounds a good idea - it means it'll fail safe for users who forget to read the docs Alan From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 11 00:43:45 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:45 -0400 Subject: Re-installing with files/folders in partitions. In-Reply-To: <1097454072.3814.8.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> References: <1097450628.3814.3.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1097453543.4193.39.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097454072.3814.8.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> Message-ID: <4169D741.3050705@hpcf.upr.edu> Rodd Clarkson wrote: >>>I want to be able to do a fresh reinstall of FC, but don't want to have >>>to copy my home folder back from a file server after the reinstall. I'm >>>hoping that if I use an existing partition, but don't format before >>>install that the installer will be smart enough to leave the /home >>>directory intact. >>> >>>Is this possible? >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, this is what I'm doing that right now. >> >>LABEL=FC3T2 / >>LABEL=HOME /home >> >> >>When I update (or install a new distribution in parallel), I set /home >>to the appropriate partitions, and add necessary users. >> >>But remember, the you have to tell the installer not to format any >>partition you want to reuse. >> >> > >I should have been clearer. > >I have: > /dev/hda3 / > /dev/hda2 /boot > >hda3 (/) includes /home as part of it. > >I'm wanting to delete all the folders except /home from / and then >trying to reinstall. > > No, to do that you'll need to create a separate partition and mount it on /home. >Will this work? > > >given that your situation above works, and that Linux just sees all the >partitions as a single file system then I should be fine, but... > > > You only need to plan for it. The next time you do a fresh install, create a separte partition for home, so you'll have something like /dev/hda3 / /dev/hda2 /boot /dev/hdaX /home and then copy your "home" backup to /home. After that, the next time you do a fresh install, you'll only need to tell the installer not to format /dev/hdaX and to mount it on /home (and add the aproprieate users). Ricardo Veguilla From camille_zavala at hotmail.com Mon Oct 11 00:42:34 2004 From: camille_zavala at hotmail.com (camille zavala) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:42:34 -0700 Subject: yum man page fixes (was Re: up2date) Message-ID: whoops, i spent the afternoon hacking the man page, sent it to the yum mailing list, and then saw your reply (below). oh well, i just joined the list at dulug so we'll all get to where we want to go eventually. = cd >From: seth vidal >Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > >To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > >Subject: Re: yum man page fixes (was Re: up2date) >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:31:17 -0400 > >On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 15:27 -0700, camille zavala wrote: > > >Pretty sure Seth takes patches... to both code and documentation. > > > > I downloaded the SRPM thinking that I'd hack the sources, but I don't >know > > Python so I'm useless there. > > > > Never mind, I can help with the documentation since I know troff. I'm > > posting here so that if someone besides Seth knows the answer, you can > > answer and save Seth some time. > > > > What are all those zero-length characters doing in docs/yum.8 before the > > periods? Usually \& appears only when the first character on the line >is a > > dot. > > > > >They were generated with a program I used to make the man pages many >moons ago. Something called gtkman, I think. I don't think it is >maintained anymore. > > > > In the Synopsis command block, can I remove the deprecated "upgrade" > > command? If it's truly deprecated we should remove its documentation, >or at > > least move it down to the bottom of the list. We also really should >change > > that "*deprecated*" and its comment to be in italics. > >You should join the yum-devel mailing list and ask these questions >there. There are two folks working on the docs there: Menno Smits and >Gijs Hollestelle who can you tell you what they've changed most >recently. > >-sv > > >-- >fedora-test-list mailing list >fedora-test-list at redhat.com >To unsubscribe: >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 00:54:51 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:54:51 -0400 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104101017542ee74f71@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:20:33 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > That would be nice but so far my experiments do not confirm that. > I mean that entries you mention indeed were not touched. The > problem is that new entries, referencing the same devices but > with a higher numbered mount points showed up. Not so great. I just did a test of this with my system and im not seeing similar behavior as you describe here. I edited a device that was listed as managed and removed the managed option, rebooted, and im not seeing a duplicate device. Perhaps your seeing something that is a corner case or specific to your hardware that I can't reproduce with mine. All the more reason to file this in bugzilla as much specific information as you can. -jef From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 11 00:59:10 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:59:10 -0400 Subject: Re-installing with files/folders in partitions. In-Reply-To: <4169D741.3050705@hpcf.upr.edu> References: <1097450628.3814.3.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1097453543.4193.39.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097454072.3814.8.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <4169D741.3050705@hpcf.upr.edu> Message-ID: <4169DADE.6080004@hpcf.upr.edu> Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > Rodd Clarkson wrote: > >> I'm wanting to delete all the folders except /home from / and then >> trying to reinstall. > > No, to do that you'll need to create a separate partition and mount > it on /home. Let me clarify, yes, you can actually do what you want, but it wont be necessarily be easier. It means that every time you do a fresh install, you'll need to do this: a) boot with a setup/rescue/live/knoppix CD, mount your root partition (/dev/hda3 in your example) and delete everything except /home. b) During install, tell the installer not to format /dev/hda3, just use it as "/". If you use a separate home partition... one time only: a) create a home partition (/dev/hdaX) and copy you /home directories there. on every fresh install: a) tell the installer no to format /dev/hdaX and mount it on /home Ricardo Veguilla From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 11 00:55:11 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:55:11 -0600 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <604aa791041010172975244598@mail.gmail.com>; from jspaleta@gmail.com on Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 08:29:32PM -0400 References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> <604aa791041010172975244598@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041010185511.B19090@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 08:29:32PM -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > There is a clear lack of communication going on. I did a quick search > in bugzilla against hal and I'm not seeing anything like this > reported. There is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133584 although its subject misattributes the problem. It was filed on September 24th. Until this will get a reasonable resolution a further discussion is somewhat out-of-place as it is not clear what final results will be. Still a post which opened this thread demonstrates another folly of "I know better what you want" approach. > I think your previous post was full of enough malicious intent for the > next 10 years. Thank you very much. It is nice to know that you volunteer as a shield against me. OTOH an exchange which I had in "133584" topped with an initial, truly unexpected by me and amazing, reaction to the report left me not so malicious but rather suspicious. I had no intentions to call a close attention to that on a forum of this public list but if you are calling me to the blackboard then so be it. Michal From ngc4013 at cox.net Mon Oct 11 00:59:42 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:59:42 -0400 Subject: Revisit of U320 and U160 SCSI bus problems with FC3t2.91 Message-ID: <4169DAFE.6060006@cox.net> I have consistantly had problems with booting systems which have a JBOD RAID box and FC2 or FC3t2.91. The problem remains the same and the work around I figured out is only temporary. The servers are Tyan dual Athlon 2200+ to 2800+ MP motherboards. A couple of models have the U160 and a couple have the U320 SCSI bus on board. In all cases the installation boots fine without the RAID configured. I found that I could boot the boxes then configure RAID0 or RAID5 and all would work very well until I perform a reboot. Upon rebooting then the boot cycle drops out into single user mode with errors relating to the RAID configuration in the /etc/raidtab file. Mind you the configuration works just fine since I already had it running when I first set it up. So when I set out to install FC3t2.91 I figured maybe the same issues would not be present since there is now mdadm to use instead of the old raidtools. Again I installed the FC3t2.91 (BTW, in all cases the FC installs are all full installs), then set out to set up the RAID. So when I figured out what was needed to properly configure the /etc/mdadm.conf file and set the RAID5 configuration up that I wished to use, I started the RAID up and it ran fine as expected. The RAID was accesible, writable, and I even did an NFS export which could be accessed by other computers. Then I rebooted and the same type of failure occured dropping me out into single user mode stating that there was a problem with the /dev/md0 configuration. My work around: So what I discovered I could do was simple, but not really a fix for the problem. I found that if I removed the mount point in the /etc/fstab file: /dev/md0 /export/db-f8017_raid5 reiserfs defaults 0 0 and instead created a script file in /root which contained the following 4 lines: mdadm -A /dev/md0 mdadm --details /dev/md0 mount -t reiserfs /dev/md0 /export/db-f8017_raid5 df First line is close, but may be missing something since the files are on my computers at work. Second line is just as a test reference point showing that the RAID is active. Third line is my mount point while the fourth shows the active mounts. It accesses the same /etc/mdadm.conf file and the mount point is exactly the way it originally was written in /etc/fstab. The system will boot flawless and once logged in I can execute the script then the RAID comes online and works perfectly. So now I ask the questions... Why?? Any further info needed? Can someone else setup a RAID box and recreate the problem to confirm that there are issues in FC2 and FC3 with RAID durring the boot cycle? So far it happens with a 144GB, 324GB, 657GB, and 2TB RAID boxes configured as either RAID0 or RAID5, on internal U160 or U320 SCSI ports and an addon U320 Adaptec card. I think there is an issue with the events durring the boot cycle in that it tries to mount the RAID before the RAID configuration sets the RAID up. Bill From david at fubar.dk Mon Oct 11 01:43:29 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:43:29 -0400 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1097459009.3762.52.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 18:20 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:45:29PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > ... but if you > > bothered to look a bit at the software you would find that fstab-sync is > > only modifying /etc/fstab entries that has the 'managed' or 'kudzu' > > keyword. > > That would be nice but so far my experiments do not confirm that. > I mean that entries you mention indeed were not touched. The > problem is that new entries, referencing the same devices but > with a higher numbered mount points showed up. Not so great. > If you're really seeing this it is a bug and should be reported in bugzilla. > As I understand that this is still in flux I am still waiting > how this really end up before starting specific complaints. > OK. > > That's not really different from updfstab. > > The difference is that updfstab was not trying hard to work around > me and was not reaching beyond removable media. > Right - I mean, you raised an important issue in that bug, thanks btw, and work is underway to fix that. Another element is that it is also desirable to make people use their hardware without knowing how to use a command line. But security, of course, must come first. > > Control of what entries added to fstab-sync will get added to Rawhide > > very soon. I'll post a mail to fedora-devel when it is in. > > Thanks. That is what I am waiting for. Also a "no surprises" > default behaviour would be desirable and at least some documetation. > There will be both a sane default behavior and plenty of documentation. As said earlier, I'll raise the defaults on the fedora-devel mailing list for (security) review. > > > File a bug in bugzilla. Complaining on this list has a very > > > limited impact. > > > > Constructive mails to this list doesn't have a very limited impact. > > If they will get noticed by corresponding developers and if they > will be deemed "constructive". :-) Indeed :-) > OTOH Mike Harris, for example, > has an "If it is not in bugzilla then it Does Not Exist" matra of a > very long standing. > Well, yeah - fortunately, however, there are several shades of gray. Otherwise we wouldn't really have fedora-test-list. Thanks, David From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 02:04:19 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:04:19 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4169EA23.6020901@sbcglobal.net> Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:46:34PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>It is starting to look like an intentional destruction of GNOME. I'll >>try out KDE after a long absense from the manager. My distraction with >>KDE was too much like windows. I had to use Konquerer to overcome the > > > Much as I despise the new file selector in Gnome I'm quite sure the folks who > did it genuinely believe it is better and are still trying improvements > out. One of the effects of doing new stuff is it has bugs in it. > I understand the problems with attempting new approaches to certain system tools, file-selectors and other programs. I would just hate for all of the most despised defaults that are present on alternative OSes do not find their way into an operating system that is a haven from the quirks contained in the closed source OS that it is not. I'll try KDE after upgrading the 491 rpms on this system while using gnome for a curiousity and what I find sane behavior for a usable operating system. I respect the developers, but sometimes emulating features from one OS might be adding a repulsive feature to fairly sane and enriched with feedback to the user system. Meaning, I like to know where I am actually saving the file to. /usr/local/bin, /usr/bin or /bin as an example. Jim From david_walcroft at yahoo.com.au Mon Oct 11 02:38:56 2004 From: david_walcroft at yahoo.com.au (david walcroft) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:38:56 +1000 Subject: Sunday is not turning out nicely around here! In-Reply-To: <1097435247.6065.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097417030.4693.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097417512.4693.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <416968D9.3030906@speakeasy.net> <1097429561.4495.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097434704.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097435247.6065.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4169F240.8010209@yahoo.com.au> Paul wrote: > Hi, > > >>No sound or sound muted ? > > > No sound. Not even from sys-conf-soundcards > > >>try : >>cat /proc/asound/cards > > > Showing two soundcards : card 0, Audigy sound blaster, IRQ 11. card 1, > Intel 82801 IRQ 5. > > >>If there is some card, use alsamixer to unmute channels. > > > Tried that. No sound still. > > TTFN > > Paul > Paul, Does your Audigy cards mixer have a check box or something labeled "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack" I find unchecking this gives me sound with this card. david From rodd at clarkson.id.au Mon Oct 11 03:13:09 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:13:09 +1000 Subject: is fc3 installer capable of resizing existing partitions. Message-ID: <1097464389.4961.2.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> Can the FC3 installer resize partitions? For example, if I have a partition that spans most of my harddisk, but doesn't contain that much, could I use the partition tool to make the partition smaller and then use the freed space for something else? I guess I'm asking is parted used in the partition tool ;-] Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From talbotscott at cox.net Mon Oct 11 03:26:27 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:26:27 -0700 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1097465187.15508.37.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 17:36 -0400, ne... wrote: > On Oct 10, 2004 at 11:21, Scott Talbot in a soothing rage wrote: > > >seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > >wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > >(yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > >That way we each get what we want. > In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed > but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the > kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. > Just goes to show - we all want it different! Maybe I'm just too new, but from that perspective it looks that the way to test a kernel is to run it, and the easiest way to do that is default it. All it takes is a reboot and a down-arrow key press if it is a bad kernel or otherwise unwanted. Guess we need that configurable option! > N.Emile... Scott From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 11 04:28:46 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:28:46 -0600 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <1097459009.3762.52.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 09:43:29PM -0400 References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> <20041010182033.A19090@mail.harddata.com> <1097459009.3762.52.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041010222846.A26041@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 09:43:29PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 18:20 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > > That would be nice but so far my experiments do not confirm that. > > I mean that entries you mention indeed were not touched. The > > problem is that new entries, referencing the same devices but > > with a higher numbered mount points showed up. Not so great. > > > > If you're really seeing this it is a bug and should be reported in > bugzilla. In some moment I tried to experiment with the stuff in /etc/fstab and edited seven undesirable (yes, that is the right number) mountpoint entries which were created for me in /media. On the next reboot they were indeed left alone but I got the next seven entries, with new consecutive names, which had properties like the previous ones before my edit. I was told previously that this whole setup is now worked upon so quite likely it will change (and quite possibly already changed in some details) so I did not investigate that closer but decided that I better wait until we will see some well defined development stage and maybe all that headache will be then allready immaterial. OTOH we got today an example of a somewhat different grief caused by blind rewrites of /etc/fstab and that is why I commented. I would be quite suprised if still other traps would not be lurking there. Yes, a temporary solution forwarded by Alan is quite effective but hopefully we will see something more subtle. :-) Thanks, Michal From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Mon Oct 11 06:20:34 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:20:34 +0100 Subject: Which of todays upgrades can affect audio? In-Reply-To: <1097446731.14869.7.camel@CirithUngol> References: <1097433391.4495.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097446731.14869.7.camel@CirithUngol> Message-ID: <1097475634.6065.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > xmss is not reporting that /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 are blocked and gnome- > > volume-manager is not showing any audio channels as being mute, yet no > > sound comes out. It's not an Alsa problem either as changing to OSS > > doesn't enable sound. > > FC3t2 contains no OSS, that is emulation, and therefore still an alsa > problem. Today's updates could be many things.. depending on when you > got yours yesterday (and which international date 'yesterday' was) and > from which mirror.. go to your yum log and find out what you installed, > there is no way we can know. The yesterday of which I speak was the 9th October. Used the fedora ftp site for downloading. I update daily. yum.log is suprisingly empty! TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From 10 oct rawhide report > only the selinux policy changed that should effect it, but you'll have > to list what rpms you actually changed since it worked to know. udev 032-9 selinux-targetted 1.17.29-4 Sound worked on Saturday with these versions. rpms installed since Friday 8th Oct (inclusive) gpm-devel-1.20.1-54 Sun 10 Oct 2004 20:02:50 BST gpm-1.20.1-54 Sun 10 Oct 2004 20:02:35 BST kudzu-1.1.92-1 Sun 10 Oct 2004 19:48:44 BST kudzu-devel-1.1.92-1 Sun 10 Oct 2004 19:48:41 BST gnome-vfs2-devel-2.8.1-7 Sun 10 Oct 2004 18:22:31 BST udev-032-9 Sun 10 Oct 2004 18:22:07 BST gnome-vfs2-smb-2.8.1-7 Sun 10 Oct 2004 18:22:06 BST gnome-vfs2-2.8.1-7 Sun 10 Oct 2004 18:21:47 BST selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.29-4 Sun 10 Oct 2004 18:10:21 BST gcc4-4.0.0-0.5 Sun 10 Oct 2004 13:09:29 BST vixie-cron-4.1-18 Sun 10 Oct 2004 13:05:53 BST system-config-samba-1.2.20-1 Sun 10 Oct 2004 13:05:52 BST thunderbird-0.8.0-5 Sun 10 Oct 2004 13:05:44 BST evolution-2.0.1-4 Sun 10 Oct 2004 13:05:27 BST RealPlayer-10.0.1.436-20040924 Sun 10 Oct 2004 11:24:35 BST gtksourceview-devel-1.1.0-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:34:05 BST gnome-print-devel-0.37-10 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:34:04 BST libgnomeprint22-devel-2.8.0-2 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:34:03 BST gdk-pixbuf-devel-0.22.0-15.0 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:34:02 BST gnome-libs-devel-1.4.1.2.90-43 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:33:58 BST ORBit-devel-0.5.17-14 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:33:56 BST imlib-devel-1.9.13-21 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:33:55 BST gtk+-devel-1.2.10-33 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:33:50 BST glib-devel-1.2.10-15 Sat 09 Oct 2004 17:33:48 BST totem-0.99.17-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:49:55 BST nautilus-2.8.0-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:42 BST nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.3-4 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:38 BST mikmod-3.1.6-30 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:37 BST system-config-keyboard-1.2.5-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:36 BST system-config-users-1.2.23-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:35 BST system-config-services-0.8.11-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:33 BST bc-1.06-17.1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:32 BST vim-minimal-6.3.030-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:31 BST epiphany-1.4.3-0 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:12 BST gnome-session-2.8.0-4 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:07:07 BST firefox-0.10.1-1.0PR1.9 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:56 BST ntp-4.2.0.a.20040617-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:50 BST grip-3.2.0-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:48 BST curl-devel-7.12.1-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:47 BST rpm-python-4.3.2-11 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:45 BST rpm-devel-4.3.2-11 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:42 BST rpm-build-4.3.2-11 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:37 BST kdegraphics-devel-3.3.0-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:36 BST ethereal-gnome-0.10.6-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:36 BST vim-enhanced-6.3.030-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:34 BST system-config-securitylevel-1.4.8-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:34 BST initscripts-7.90-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:29 BST kdegames-3.3.0-2 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:25 BST libgda-1.0.4-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:14 BST setup-2.5.36-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:12 BST vim-common-6.3.030-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:09 BST system-config-securitylevel-tui-1.4.8-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:06:03 BST kdegraphics-3.3.0-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:58 BST ethereal-0.10.6-3 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:52 BST gphoto2-2.1.4-7 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:39 BST rpm-4.3.2-11 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:36 BST sed-4.1.2-4 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:34 BST curl-7.12.1-1 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:34 BST rpm-libs-4.3.2-11 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:33 BST popt-1.9.1-11 Sat 09 Oct 2004 16:05:04 BST rp-pppoe-3.5-21 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:56:44 BST cyrus-sasl-devel-2.1.19-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:56:43 BST cyrus-sasl-2.1.19-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:55:50 BST kernel-2.6.8-1.603 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:52:15 BST desktop-printing-0.16-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:55 BST cyrus-sasl-plain-2.1.19-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:54 BST cyrus-sasl-md5-2.1.19-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:54 BST schedutils-1.4.0-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:53 BST gdb-6.1post-1.20040607.38 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:53 BST hwdata-0.141-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:52 BST xpdf-3.00-6 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:49 BST libmusicbrainz-2.0.2-11 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:47 BST HelixPlayer-1.0.1.gold-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:39 BST qt-ODBC-3.3.3-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:37 BST qt-MySQL-3.3.3-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:37 BST oprofile-0.8.1-10 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:36 BST libidn-devel-0.5.6-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:35 BST gimp-print-utils-4.2.7-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:34 BST gimp-print-plugin-4.2.7-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:34 BST gnome-panel-devel-2.8.0.1-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:33 BST gdm-2.6.0.5-4 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:27 BST sane-backends-devel-1.0.14-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:51:24 BST gnome-applets-2.8.0-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:50:20 BST kdebase-devel-3.3.0-8 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:50:12 BST qt-designer-3.3.3-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:50:11 BST gcc-objc-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:50:10 BST gcc-gnat-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:50:05 BST gcc-g77-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:58 BST gcc-c++-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:57 BST gcc-java-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:55 BST parted-1.6.15-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:54 BST gcc-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:53 BST cpp-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:50 BST gaim-1.0.1-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:48 BST libf2c-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:43 BST libgnomedb-1.0.4-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:41 BST libobjc-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:39 BST libwmf-0.2.8.3-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:34 BST k3b-0.11.14-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:32 BST qt-devel-3.3.3-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:49:24 BST SysVinit-2.85-34 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:48:58 BST ppp-2.4.2-6.3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:48:56 BST libgnat-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:48:52 BST libstdc++-devel-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:48:51 BST libjpeg-devel-6b-33 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:48:47 BST kdebase-3.3.0-8 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:48:37 BST libgcj-devel-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:48:12 BST gstreamer-0.8.7-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:47:58 BST control-center-2.8.0-9 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:47:53 BST sane-backends-1.0.14-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:47:46 BST tcp_wrappers-7.6-37.2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:47:43 BST gnome-panel-2.8.0.1-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:47:28 BST gimp-print-4.2.7-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:47:22 BST libgcj-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:47:08 BST redhat-artwork-0.112-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:46:48 BST libidn-0.5.6-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:46:30 BST qt-3.3.3-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:46:27 BST libjpeg-6b-33 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:46:25 BST libstdc++-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:46:18 BST libgcc-3.4.2-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 16:45:23 BST yum-2.1.6-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:39 BST firstboot-1.3.28-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:38 BST dhcp-3.0.1-11 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:37 BST postgresql-pl-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:35 BST dhclient-3.0.1-11 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:34 BST gnome-volume-manager-1.1.0-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:32 BST postgresql-contrib-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:28 BST postgresql-test-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:26 BST openoffice.org-1.1.2-9 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:25:16 BST rhgb-0.13.5-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:46 BST isdn4k-utils-3.2-18.p1.1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:43 BST system-config-network-tui-1.3.21-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:39 BST system-config-packages-1.2.19-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:33 BST hal-cups-utils-0.5.2-6 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:24 BST openoffice.org-libs-1.1.2-9 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:22 BST cups-1.1.21-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:07 BST postgresql-server-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:24:02 BST postgresql-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:23:58 BST kernel-2.6.8-1.598 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:28 BST psgml-1.2.5-4 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:12 BST iiimf-libs-devel-12.0.1-13.svn1943 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:11 BST emacspeak-17.0-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:10 BST postgresql-jdbc-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:08 BST ruby-mode-1.8.1-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:07 BST system-config-network-1.3.21-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:05 BST valgrind-2.2.0-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:03 BST doxygen-1.3.9-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:22:02 BST postgresql-docs-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:59 BST libsoup-2.2.0-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:58 BST dos2unix-3.1-20 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:57 BST libselinux-devel-1.17.14-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:56 BST dosfstools-2.8-14 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:56 BST cdparanoia-devel-alpha9.8-24 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:55 BST cdparanoia-alpha9.8-24 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:55 BST vnc-server-4.0-8 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:54 BST elinks-0.9.2-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:53 BST crypto-utils-2.1-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:53 BST libtheora-devel-1.0alpha3-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:52 BST cups-devel-1.1.21-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:52 BST postgresql-python-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:51 BST at-3.1.8-60 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:51 BST a2ps-4.13b-41 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:46 BST nscd-2.3.3-66 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:45 BST slrn-0.9.8.0-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:44 BST mysql-devel-3.23.58-12 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:44 BST mysql-bench-3.23.58-12 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:42 BST mysql-server-3.23.58-12 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:40 BST setools-1.4.1-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:29 BST ruby-devel-1.8.1-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:29 BST glibc-devel-2.3.3-66 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:27 BST vino-2.8.0.1-2 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:24 BST file-roller-2.8.1-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:14 BST rhythmbox-0.8.8-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:06 BST xinitrc-4.0.13-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:05 BST aspell-0.50.5-3.fc3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:04 BST postgresql-tcl-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:03 BST iiimf-libs-12.0.1-13.svn1943 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:21:03 BST linuxdoc-tools-0.9.20-14 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:58 BST ruby-1.8.1-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:57 BST gstreamer-plugins-0.8.5-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:53 BST shared-mime-info-0.15-6 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:47 BST glibc-headers-2.3.3-66 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:46 BST policycoreutils-1.17.6-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:33 BST ruby-libs-1.8.1-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:30 BST mysql-3.23.58-12 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:23 BST coreutils-5.2.1-31 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:20 BST findutils-4.1.20-6 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:17 BST openssl-devel-0.9.7a-40 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:15 BST libtheora-1.0alpha3-5 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:11 BST openjade-1.3.2-14 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:10 BST postgresql-libs-7.4.5-3 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:08 BST cups-libs-1.1.21-7 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:08 BST openssl-0.9.7a-40 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:06 BST mktemp-1.5-10 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:05 BST util-linux-2.12a-11 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:02 BST cdparanoia-libs-alpha9.8-24 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:20:00 BST libselinux-1.17.14-1 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:19:54 BST glibc-2.3.3-66 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:19:31 BST glibc-common-2.3.3-66 Fri 08 Oct 2004 12:19:13 BST TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Mon Oct 11 06:27:44 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:27:44 +0100 Subject: Sunday is not turning out nicely around here! In-Reply-To: <4169F240.8010209@yahoo.com.au> References: <1097417030.4693.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097417512.4693.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <416968D9.3030906@speakeasy.net> <1097429561.4495.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097434704.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097435247.6065.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4169F240.8010209@yahoo.com.au> Message-ID: <1097476064.6065.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > Does your Audigy cards mixer have a check box or something labeled > "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack" I find unchecking this gives me > sound with this card. There is a mute button for it. Click on mute and sound reappears. Sounds hideous though. TTFN Paul -- Homer: Donut? Lisa: No, thanks. Do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 06:57:23 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:57:23 +0200 Subject: After rebooting FCt2 /etcfstab is restored In-Reply-To: <20041011004058.GD19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041010152612.64207.qmail@web60607.mail.yahoo.com> <604aa791041010091742813594@mail.gmail.com> <1097426689.3786.5.camel@logi.taipang.com> <20041010115203.A13500@mail.harddata.com> <1097433930.5921.7.camel@davidz> <20041010192454.GC9945@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097451962.3762.12.camel@davidz> <20041011004058.GD19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097477843.3148.2.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 02:40, Alan Cox wrote: > updfstab only got run at boot generally. Not really. Here it got run every time I plugged in my USB stick -- only sometimes it got run too early, before USB had settled down, then I had to run it manually to get the desired changes in fstab. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From linxt at comcast.net Mon Oct 11 07:59:10 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:59:10 -0700 Subject: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 (SMP) kernels abort in boot with ext3 failed to load message In-Reply-To: <1097443349.12608.24.camel@lhwlinux> References: <20041010071625.17BCF74157@hormel.redhat.com> <1097443349.12608.24.camel@lhwlinux> Message-ID: <200410110059.10776.linxt@comcast.net> On Sunday 10 October 2004 14:22, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 01:16, fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > > From: Andrew > > Subject: Re: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail bootFC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel > > fail boot - was "FC3T1 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot" > > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > > > Message-ID: <41689DB5.4050008 at speakeasy.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Hi, > > > > I don't know for sure what is the matter, but I would recommend you > > rebuild your initrd the ext3 module has to be loaded from the initial > > ram disk since its needed before the root file system is mounted > > > > boot to the 541 kernel and as root > > cd /boot > > mv initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img initrd-2.6.8-1.603.bad.img > > mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img 2.6.8-1.603 > > > > and > > > > mv initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img initrd-2.6.8-1.598.bad.img > > mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img 2.6.8-1.598 > > > > And see how that works. > > > > No problem with 603 or 598 here. > > didn't help ... additional note ... this is smp machine with > smp kernels, 598-smp, 603-smp, etc ... not simply 598 & 603. > > > -- > Anne & Lynn Wheeler | http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ Hi All: I'm also having this problem with my smp mobo. The non-smp kernels work fine, only the smp that blows up. And it's only been since upgrading to FC3. SMP worked okay in FC2. I'm testing various settings and recomiling kernels and will report results if I get anything figured out. Tom -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 11 08:09:08 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:09:08 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097452584.4193.28.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097452584.4193.28.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097482149.5124.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 19:56 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla a ?crit : > Ok, automatically changing the default to the newly installed kernel is > only a problem in rawhide (and FC-test), right? > > On the other hand a kernel update won't be push to the stable fedora > unless it was tested, right? > > So, why not making it configurable with the following default settings: > > In Fedora Core (stable). change the default to the new kernel > In Rawhide. don't change the default, just add install the new kernel. > The propose of Rawhide is testing the latest kernel. Not for using old rock solid kernel. > Obviously, the user should be able to change the setting if he wants to. > > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 11 08:37:21 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 04:37:21 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097482149.5124.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097452584.4193.28.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097482149.5124.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097483841.5140.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:09 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 19:56 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla a ?crit : > > Ok, automatically changing the default to the newly installed kernel is > > only a problem in rawhide (and FC-test), right? > > > > On the other hand a kernel update won't be push to the stable fedora > > unless it was tested, right? > > > > So, why not making it configurable with the following default settings: > > > > In Fedora Core (stable). change the default to the new kernel > > In Rawhide. don't change the default, just add install the new kernel. > > > > The propose of Rawhide is testing the latest kernel. Not for using old > rock solid kernel. Then why not install the latest kernel and remove the old one by default? In the end, I don't think it makes a difference... people using Rawhide are still going to test it, they will manually select the latest kernel, boot it, and make it the default if it runs ok. Anyway, my point was that the "newest kernel broke my computer and burned my house" scenario only exists when updating from rawhide, and that I think its ok to default to the latest kernel in the stable Fedora. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 11 08:45:09 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:45:09 +0200 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 41 In-Reply-To: <4169B273.10408@comcast.net> References: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> <4169B273.10408@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1097484309.5931.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> > So I ran "depmod -a -v 2.6.8-1.603" use : depmod -a -e -F /boot/System.map- Perhaps you already answered, but I try/insist again : Boot with "" (it works :-)). Check the kernel- package : $ rpm -V kernel- Check the latest mkinitrd : $ rpm -V mkinitrd-4.1.14-1 Check udev (032-10 or 034-2) : $ rpm -V udev- rebuild dependencies : $ depmod -a -e -F /boot/System.map- recreate initrd for the : mkinitrd /boot/initrd-.img Check if grub.conf is correctly configured for the new kernel : Something like : title Fedora Core () root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz- ro root=LABEL=/ quiet initrd /boot/initrd-.img Carefully check you don't have "vmlinuz-" with "initrd-.img btw you can use modinfo to check if the ext3 module in initrd is the good one : $ modinfo ext3.ko -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 11 08:55:49 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:55:49 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097483841.5140.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097452584.4193.28.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097482149.5124.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097483841.5140.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097484949.5931.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 11 octobre 2004 ? 04:37 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla a ?crit : > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:09 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Le dimanche 10 octobre 2004 ? 19:56 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla a ?crit : > > > Ok, automatically changing the default to the newly installed kernel is > > > only a problem in rawhide (and FC-test), right? > > > > > > On the other hand a kernel update won't be push to the stable fedora > > > unless it was tested, right? > > > > > > So, why not making it configurable with the following default settings: > > > > > > In Fedora Core (stable). change the default to the new kernel > > > In Rawhide. don't change the default, just add install the new kernel. > > > > > > > The propose of Rawhide is testing the latest kernel. Not for using old > > rock solid kernel. > > Then why not install the latest kernel and remove the old one by > default? This is already done for some critical packages : - libc - bash ... If you add the ability to have several libc/bash at the same time and permit to chose which one to use when booting, I am sure Fedora will handle them like it does for the kernel. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From harald at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 09:28:02 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:28:02 +0200 Subject: fstab seems to be broken - I think In-Reply-To: <1097409430.4242.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097409430.4242.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <416A5222.4040504@redhat.com> Paul wrote: > To me, that looks like fstab is broken (or at least partially bust). Can > someone confirm that the line I have in /etc/fstab for auto mounting the > drive is correct before I log this into bugzilla? > > /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 noauto,user,exec,kudzu 0 0 > > The oddest thing though is that my other drives are mounting correctly, > just not /home. remove "noauto,user,exec,kudzu" and replace it with "defaults" From t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de Mon Oct 11 09:42:28 2004 From: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de (Thomas Liesner) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:42:28 +0200 Subject: FC3T2 - Sound gone after todays update Message-ID: <416A5584.3000808@creativ-consulting.de> Hi all, after todays update alsa-mixer does not find mixable devices anymore (German error message: "Leider wurden keine Mischpultelemente oder -ger?te gefunden") And hence there is no sound :( Doing a cat on /proc/asound/cards shows the correct soundcard ("Intel ICH5...") and system-config-soundcard plays the testsound correctly. What has gone wrong here? TIA, ./Tom P.S.: i had to do a "fixfiles relabel" to get rid of some nasty "permission denied" messages on i.e. starting syslogd. -- Thomas Liesner - c/o Creativ Consulting GmbH, Ratingen Email: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de PGP Fingerprint: 7B6B 8364 D205 0FA2 8753 AEE0 70B7 AB3A 06B5 F368 PGP Public Key: http://www.creativ-consulting.de/keys From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 11 10:12:04 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: On Oct 10, 2004 at 17:30, Rodolfo J. Paiz in a soothing rage wrote: >On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 17:36 -0400, ne... wrote: >> In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed >> but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the >> kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. >> > >In *your* case that is a perfectly reasonable point of view. However, >the question is not what works best for *you* or *me*, but rather what >we as a community believe is the best default behavior. Then that is most definitely to use what is known to work, ie the old kernel. And as part of this community, I am making my voice heard (-: >This default should take into account the preference of the majority of >users, the consequences of unintended behavior (if the new kernel is not >the default, most "GUI-only" users will forever use the first kernel >they had... if the new kernel *is* the default, a bad new kernel could >cause havoc), and the existing status quo (how are things done now, and >what is the standard way they have been done so far). The default should simply be what was booted last and have the new kernel clearly marked so a user can choose it if they so please. But choosing the last booted kernel as the default, the machine can be booted to a known state. The user can then choose to change this at their pleasure. >I understand your preference but believe that you are in a small >minority. I think the majority of users are "protected" enough by having >to specifically request that the kernel be updated instead of skipped, >and that the large majority either wants or needs the kernel to be >updated. You naturally have the figures to back this up? >After all, up2date is not primarily a package *fetcher*, it's a package >*updater*. Sure. It can update my grub.conf by adding an entry for the new kernel but leave my default alone. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Most people are too busy to have time for anything important. 06:00:08 up 104 days, 23:14, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 11 10:15:11 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097483841.5140.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097452584.4193.28.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097482149.5124.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097483841.5140.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: On Oct 11, 2004 at 04:37, Ricardo Veguilla in a soothing rage wrote: [...] >Then why not install the latest kernel and remove the old one by >default? And what happens then if the machine cannot boot? You have no machine. You have to leave the old kernel there. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Insanity is considered a ground for divorce, though by the very same token it is the shortest detour to marriage. -- Wilson Mizner 06:13:31 up 104 days, 23:28, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From Bernd.Bartmann at sohanet.de Mon Oct 11 11:26:05 2004 From: Bernd.Bartmann at sohanet.de (Bernd Bartmann) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:26:05 +0200 Subject: Missing update/security advisories Message-ID: <416A6DCD.7040205@sohanet.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yet again several update/security advisories never were announced on fedora-announce list: FC1: gaim-0.77-2.FC1 gaim-0.80-1.FC1 gaim-0.81-1.FC1 postfix-2.0.16-1 recode-3.6-12.0 FC2: devhelp-0.9.1-0.2.2 epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.0 epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.2 fam-2.6.10-9.FC2 gaim-0.77-7 gaim-0.80-1.FC2 gaim-0.81-1.FC2 gnome-session-2.6.0-4 mozilla-1.7.2-0.2.0 mozilla-1.7.3-0.2.0 nfs-utils-1.0.6-22 xinitrc-3.41-1 xorg-x11-6.7.0-9 Two FC2 advisories share the same id FEDORA-2004-331: cups-1.1.20-11.4 cyrus-sasl-2.1.18-2.2 Best regards. - -- Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Bernd Bartmann I.S. Security and Network Engineer SoHaNet Technology GmbH / Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 10-11 / 10553 Berlin Fon: +49 30 214783-44 / Fax: +49 30 214783-46 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBam3NkQuIaHu84cIRAi5qAJ0foC9j+nzMcaQyWWZ7DzPWWzBbDwCcCTrD 2sjyxTHmKlQMkHO2O38SQ7s= =ff4p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From soltowja at comcast.net Mon Oct 11 11:30:05 2004 From: soltowja at comcast.net (John Soltow (Sabre)) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:30:05 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot In-Reply-To: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <416A6EBD.9070501@comcast.net> Andrew, Tried it and didn't work. Prior to rebooting, I did a diff on the .603.img and .603.bad.img and did see that the two binaries differed. Matias Feliciano provided more information in another message. Details in my response there. Thanks, John >Message: 8 >Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:25:57 -0400 >From: Andrew >Subject: Re: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot - was "FC3T1 - 598 & > 603 kernel fail boot" >To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > >Message-ID: <41689DB5.4050008 at speakeasy.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi, > >I don't know for sure what is the matter, but I would recommend you >rebuild your initrd the ext3 module has to be loaded from the initial >ram disk since its needed before the root file system is mounted > >boot to the 541 kernel and as root >cd /boot >mv initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img initrd-2.6.8-1.603.bad.img >mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img 2.6.8-1.603 > >and > >mv initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img initrd-2.6.8-1.598.bad.img >mkinitrd initrd-2.6.8-1.598.img 2.6.8-1.598 > >And see how that works. > >No problem with 603 or 598 here. > >HTH, > >Andrew > > > From soltowja at comcast.net Mon Oct 11 11:30:55 2004 From: soltowja at comcast.net (John Soltow (Sabre)) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:30:55 -0400 Subject: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot In-Reply-To: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041010071624.EF7B774155@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <416A6EEF.3000103@comcast.net> After doing the zcat | cpio procedure, I now understand a fair amount more about what is going on. I had originally thought the problem was that it was looking in the wrong area for the ext3.ko file. However, when the initrd file is built, it's placed in its own tree at /lib/ext3.ko - and the file was there (when I looked at the tree structure under /boot/tmp that the zcat | cpio created). The error is stating Unknown Symbol in module (/lib/ext3.ko). So I ran "depmod -a -v 2.6.8-1.603" to rebuild /lib/modules/2.6.8-1.603/modules.dep file. I'm still getting "Unknown Symbol" when booting the 603 modules (and presumably the 598 though I haven't tried it). I'm guessing that it's using ext3 for the initrd because my root and /boot partitions are ext3. Is there a way to force the initrd to use ext2? Or am I off on a wild goose chase? Is anyone else that has both their / and /boot partitions setup as ext3 having problems? Thanks, John >Message: 11 >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:29:54 +0200 >From: Matias F?liciano >Subject: Re: FC3T2 - 598 & 603 kernel fail boot >To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > >Message-ID: <1097375395.27633.29.camel at localhost.localdomain> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Le samedi 09 octobre 2004 ? 13:59 -0400, John Soltow (Sabre) a ??crit : > > >>> My 541 kernel continues to boot, but since "yum --obsoletes update", >>> the 598 and 603 kernels fail. >>> >>> ======boot snippet from the 603 kernel====== - hand copied so apologies >>> for errors/typos >>> Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel >>> Audit (1097327214.140:0): initialized >>> Red hat nash version 4.1.14 starting >>> insmod: error inserting '/lib/ext3.ko': -1 Unknown Symbol in module >>> ERROR: /bin/insmod exiting normally! >>> mount: error 19 mounting ext3 >>> mount: error 2 mounting none >>> switchroot: mount failed: 22 >>> umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 >>> Kernel Panic - not syncing Attempted to kill init >>> >>> >>> ==========end boot snippet=============== >>> >>> First, ext3.ko is in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1.603/kernel/fs/ext3/ and >>> not in /lib >>> >>> Can someone enlighten me as to what I've done wrong? As I said >>> earlier, the 541 kernel works. >>> >> >> > >The boot sequence depend on initrd build by mkinitrd. >rebuild initrd : >mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img 2.6.8-1.603 > >Check the initrd image : >$ cd /boot >$ mkdir tmp >$ cd tmp >$ zcat ../initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img | cpio -iv -m -d > >check if /lib/ext3.ko exist. > > >Use the latest mkinitrd : ># rpm -q mkinitrd >mkinitrd-4.1.14-1 > > > >>> Also, can someone tell me where to look for an explanation on the >>> "Audit (xxxx) line and its meaning? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >> >> >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: not available >Type: application/pgp-signature >Size: 189 bytes >Desc: Ceci est une partie de message > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= >Url : /archives/fedora-test-list/attachments/20041010/6c35f472/attachment.bin > > > From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 11 11:37:43 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fstab seems to be broken - I think In-Reply-To: <416A5222.4040504@redhat.com> References: <1097409430.4242.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <416A5222.4040504@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Oct 11, 2004 at 11:28, Harald Hoyer in a soothing rage wrote: >Paul wrote: >> To me, that looks like fstab is broken (or at least partially bust). Can >> someone confirm that the line I have in /etc/fstab for auto mounting the >> drive is correct before I log this into bugzilla? >> >> /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 noauto,user,exec,kudzu 0 0 >> >> The oddest thing though is that my other drives are mounting correctly, >> just not /home. > >remove "noauto,user,exec,kudzu" and replace it with "defaults" and also change the '0 0' to '1 2'. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 ... I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM of a KOSHER DELI -- 07:37:18 up 105 days, 52 min, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Mon Oct 11 12:13:32 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:13:32 +0300 Subject: rawhide epiphany: Browse for files doesn't work Message-ID: <1097496813.3966.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> With epihany from rawhide in fc3t2, clicking in forms on Browse... to upload files has no visible effect. In mozilla it works (displays gnome filechooser). Can anybody confirm this in order to file to bugzilla? -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 11 12:28:18 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:28:18 -0400 Subject: no /dev/nst0 References: <4158B478.3070401@yahoo.com> <4158C3A2.20604@rogers.com> <41596F80.4060406@redhat.com> <415A4196.30000@rogers.com> Message-ID: Now it stopped working completely. This is all updates as of yesterday. I loaded st, but still no /dev/nst0. Log says: Oct 11 07:04:22 rpppc1 kernel: st: Version 20040403, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256 Oct 11 07:04:22 rpppc1 kernel: Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Oct 11 07:04:22 rpppc1 kernel: st0: try direct i/o: yes (alignment 512 B), max page reachable by HBA 1048575 Dwaine Garden wrote: > Harald Hoyer wrote: > >> Neal D. Becker wrote: >> >>> Dwaine Garden wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Allen Kistler wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Neal D. Becker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> My scsi tape used to be /dev/nst0, now it doesn't seem to have been >>>>>> created. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Same problem as "SCSI DVD drive not recognized on fc3-t2 kernel >>>>> 2.6.8-1.584" >>>>> >>>>> Anything SCSI that's not a hard drive doesn't get created in /dev. >>>>> >>>> >>>> At least everyone is giving udev a good testing... 8*) >>>> >>>> Dwaine. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Any suggested workaround in the meantime? I need to run a backup. >>> >> >> Load the st module.. >> > That's what worked for me. > > Dwaine. > From chambery at suppressingfire.org Mon Oct 11 12:37:02 2004 From: chambery at suppressingfire.org (Todd Chambery) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:37:02 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097498222.4848.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just to offer a counterpoint to the more vocal opinions on the file selector: I, for one, am a big fan. The old selector was woefully inadequate for its lack of favorites, and the default shortcuts are extremely useful. I have even come to appreciate the "button path" at the top. Using the new file selector, I definitely feel like the computer is helping me (I have fewer keystrokes/clicks) rather than making work. my 2c, Todd On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 20:33 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:46:34PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > It is starting to look like an intentional destruction of GNOME. I'll > > try out KDE after a long absense from the manager. My distraction with > > KDE was too much like windows. I had to use Konquerer to overcome the > > Much as I despise the new file selector in Gnome I'm quite sure the folks who > did it genuinely believe it is better and are still trying improvements > out. One of the effects of doing new stuff is it has bugs in it. > From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Oct 11 12:47:36 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:47:36 -0400 Subject: migrating to the new evolution Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA83E@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Keith Sharp Sent: Sun 10/10/2004 5:34 AM To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Re: migrating to the new evolution On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 17:35 -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > Okay, that worked great. > Now, I would like to move a mail folder from one machine to another. > How does one do that? I have 3 different folders on my desktop machine > and would like to move one of the folders to my laptop. > > When I look at the directory/file structure of the .evolution everything > looks encoded. I can't make heads nor tails. > > Would be nice if evolution would allow me to import mail from evolution. > > Is it possible to archive an evolution folder on one machine and import > to evolution on another? If you are using local email storage then the files in: ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/ that have the same name as your folders in the GUI are just standard mbox format files and can be imported into Evolution using the File -> Import menu option. ============================ Indeed, I am popping my mail from a POP3 mail server and it soring it locally on my system. So for one of my folders I have the following: ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/WRS ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/WRS.cmeta ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/WRS.ev-summary ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/WRS.ibex.index ${HOME}/.evolution/mail/local/WRS.ibex.index.data I will assume that file "WRS" is in mbox format. Wow, that actually worked. So I chose "WRS" for the import and all is well. Thanks, Ernesto If you are using server side storage such as IMAP, just create a new account in your other Evolution instance and drag a drop your mails to where you want. Keith. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kaboom at gatech.edu Mon Oct 11 13:36:01 2004 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Scott Talbot wrote: > seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > (yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > That way we each get what we want. Guess again. I want it downloaded. I don't want it default. later, chris From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 11 13:46:19 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:46:19 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1097502379.11119.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 09:36, Chris Ricker wrote: > On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Scott Talbot wrote: > > > seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > > wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > > (yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > > That way we each get what we want. > > Guess again. I want it downloaded. I don't want it default. > Here's a thought: The first person to write the code, wins. -sv From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 11 14:01:56 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:01:56 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097502379.11119.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097502379.11119.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1097503316.5931.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 11 octobre 2004 ? 09:46 -0400, seth vidal a ?crit : > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 09:36, Chris Ricker wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Scott Talbot wrote: > > > > > seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > > > wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > > > (yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > > > That way we each get what we want. > > > > Guess again. I want it downloaded. I don't want it default. > > > > Here's a thought: > > The first person to write the code, wins. > You lose :-) The code to download/install and don't make it default is already in place. > -sv > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But then, I'm happy with the current code, which downloads, installs, but doesn't default ;-) later, chris From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 11 14:11:36 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:11:36 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097452584.4193.28.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097482149.5124.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097483841.5140.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097503896.4199.0.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 06:15 -0400, ne... wrote: > On Oct 11, 2004 at 04:37, Ricardo Veguilla in a soothing rage wrote: > [...] > > >Then why not install the latest kernel and remove the old one by > >default? > And what happens then if the machine cannot boot? You have > no machine. You have to leave the old kernel there. That was my point :) -- Ricardo Veguilla From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 11 14:16:15 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:16:15 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097503316.5931.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097502379.11119.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1097503316.5931.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097504175.5931.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 11 octobre 2004 ? 16:01 +0200, Matias F?liciano a ?crit : > You lose :-) And me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1097505882.2977.29.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> In FC3T2, I keep getting these messages when I try unzipping and mounting my initrd for the 603 kernel: [root at bobcp4 mnt]# cp /boot/initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img /tmp/initrd.gz [root at bobcp4 mnt]# gunzip /tmp/initrd.gz [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount -o loop /tmp/initrd /mnt/initrd mount: you must specify the filesystem type [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount -o loop /tmp/initrd -t ext2 /mnt/initrd mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount /tmp/initrd /mnt/initrd -o loop -t ext2 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount /tmp/initrd /mnt/initrd -o loop mount: you must specify the filesystem type What am I doing wrong here? Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 11 14:51:36 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:51:36 -0400 Subject: rawhide epiphany: Browse for files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <1097496813.3966.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1097496813.3966.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <1097506297.4865.1.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 15:13 +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > With epihany from rawhide in fc3t2, clicking in forms on Browse... to > upload files has no visible effect. > > In mozilla it works (displays gnome filechooser). > > Can anybody confirm this in order to file to bugzilla? Yes I'm seeing it too, please file the bug. -- Ricardo Veguilla From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 11 14:46:40 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to Mount Initrd? In-Reply-To: <1097505882.2977.29.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097505882.2977.29.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Robert L Cochran wrote: > In FC3T2, I keep getting these messages when I try unzipping and > mounting my initrd for the 603 kernel: > > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# cp /boot/initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img /tmp/initrd.gz > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# gunzip /tmp/initrd.gz you can abbreviate the above with: # gunzip -c /boot/....img > /tmp/initrd the "-c" means write to stdout. and once you do that, run: # file /tmp/initrd you'd better to hope to see something like the following: # file /tmp/initrd /tmp/initrd: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data rday p.s. CAVEAT. i didn't try this with FC3t2's initrd that you listed above, i'm just going over the *general* protocol for doing this. sorry i wasn't more specific. From tjb at unh.edu Mon Oct 11 14:58:44 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:58:44 -0400 Subject: Revisit of U320 and U160 SCSI bus problems with FC3t2.91 In-Reply-To: <4169DAFE.6060006@cox.net> References: <4169DAFE.6060006@cox.net> Message-ID: <1097506724.5193.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 20:59 -0400, Bill Cronk wrote: > I have consistantly had problems with booting systems which have a JBOD > RAID box and FC2 or FC3t2.91. The problem remains the same and the work > around I figured out is only temporary. > > The servers are Tyan dual Athlon 2200+ to 2800+ MP motherboards. A > couple of models have the U160 and a couple have the U320 SCSI bus on > board. In all cases the installation boots fine without the RAID > configured. I found that I could boot the boxes then configure RAID0 or > RAID5 and all would work very well until I perform a reboot. Upon > rebooting then the boot cycle drops out into single user mode with > errors relating to the RAID configuration in the /etc/raidtab file. Mind > you the configuration works just fine since I already had it running > when I first set it up. > > So when I set out to install FC3t2.91 I figured maybe the same issues > would not be present since there is now mdadm to use instead of the old > raidtools. Again I installed the FC3t2.91 (BTW, in all cases the FC > installs are all full installs), then set out to set up the RAID. So > when I figured out what was needed to properly configure the > /etc/mdadm.conf file and set the RAID5 configuration up that I wished to > use, I started the RAID up and it ran fine as expected. The RAID was > accesible, writable, and I even did an NFS export which could be > accessed by other computers. Then I rebooted and the same type of > failure occured dropping me out into single user mode stating that there > was a problem with the /dev/md0 configuration. > > My work around: > > So what I discovered I could do was simple, but not really a fix for the > problem. I found that if I removed the mount point in the /etc/fstab file: > > /dev/md0 /export/db-f8017_raid5 reiserfs defaults 0 0 > > and instead created a script file in /root which contained the following > 4 lines: > > mdadm -A /dev/md0 > mdadm --details /dev/md0 > mount -t reiserfs /dev/md0 /export/db-f8017_raid5 > df > > First line is close, but may be missing something since the files are on > my computers at work. Second line is just as a test reference point > showing that the RAID is active. Third line is my mount point while the > fourth shows the active mounts. > > It accesses the same /etc/mdadm.conf file and the mount point is exactly > the way it originally was written in /etc/fstab. The system will boot > flawless and once logged in I can execute the script then the RAID comes > online and works perfectly. > > So now I ask the questions... Why?? Any further info needed? Can someone > else setup a RAID box and recreate the problem to confirm that there are > issues in FC2 and FC3 with RAID durring the boot cycle? So far it > happens with a 144GB, 324GB, 657GB, and 2TB RAID boxes configured as > either RAID0 or RAID5, on internal U160 or U320 SCSI ports and an addon > U320 Adaptec card. > > I think there is an issue with the events durring the boot cycle in that > it tries to mount the RAID before the RAID configuration sets the RAID up. > > Bill > Try changing the partition type on the raid disks to "linux raid autodetect": [root at wintermute tjb]# fdisk -l /dev/sdc Disk /dev/sdc: 18.3 GB, 18351959040 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2231 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdc1 * 1 2231 17920476 fd Linux raid autodetect [root at wintermute tjb]# This allows them to be autodetected at boot time. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From jvdias at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 15:03:08 2004 From: jvdias at redhat.com (Jason Vas Dias) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:03:08 -0400 Subject: How to Mount Initrd? In-Reply-To: <1097505882.2977.29.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097505882.2977.29.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <1097506987.2904.16.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> initrd-2.6.8-1.603*.img is a cpio archive - use cpio -x to extract it. On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:44, Robert L Cochran wrote: > In FC3T2, I keep getting these messages when I try unzipping and > mounting my initrd for the 603 kernel: > > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# cp /boot/initrd-2.6.8-1.603.img /tmp/initrd.gz > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# gunzip /tmp/initrd.gz > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount -o loop /tmp/initrd /mnt/initrd > mount: you must specify the filesystem type > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount -o loop /tmp/initrd -t ext2 /mnt/initrd > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount /tmp/initrd /mnt/initrd -o loop -t ext2 > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, > or too many mounted file systems > (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use > ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) > [root at bobcp4 mnt]# mount /tmp/initrd /mnt/initrd -o loop > mount: you must specify the filesystem type > > > What am I doing wrong here? > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Mon Oct 11 15:09:54 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:09:54 +0300 Subject: rawhide epiphany: Browse for files doesn't work In-Reply-To: <1097506297.4865.1.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1097496813.3966.1.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <1097506297.4865.1.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097507394.3965.8.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:51 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > Yes I'm seeing it too, please file the bug. Thanks Ricardo, filed upstream: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155095 -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From rpjday at mindspring.com Mon Oct 11 15:05:51 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How to Mount Initrd? In-Reply-To: <1097506987.2904.16.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> References: <1097505882.2977.29.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097506987.2904.16.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Jason Vas Dias wrote: > initrd-2.6.8-1.603*.img is a cpio archive - > use cpio -x to extract it. ok, i'm embarrassed to admit that i forgot that .img files in FC3t2 were not compressed ext2 filesystems. ack. but, technically, they're not cpio archives, they're *compressed* cpio archives. to see this, try both of the following: # file .img # file -z .img the "-z" means you realize it's a compressed file, so you want to see the type when it's uncompressed. and, last time i looked, to extract from a cpio archive, it's not "-x" but "-i". unless things have *really* changed when i wasn't looking. rday From mfrederico at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 15:30:12 2004 From: mfrederico at gmail.com (Matthew Frederico) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:30:12 -0500 Subject: window content not updating? Message-ID: <28e6af6104101108305f850cb8@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am experiencing a strange thing .. Everything loads just fine, and everything is (a lot) faster. However, once the gdm-greeter loads, things start to go awry ... Basically in a nutshell, its as if my window content doesn't get update, which makes my windows "invisible" Now, the way I upgraded was using yum. This is not a "fresh" install. I think this has something to do with X, but I can't nail it down. Anybody have any ideas? -- -- Matthew Frederico From ellson at research.att.com Mon Oct 11 15:35:39 2004 From: ellson at research.att.com (John Ellson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:35:39 -0400 Subject: window content not updating? In-Reply-To: <28e6af6104101108305f850cb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <28e6af6104101108305f850cb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <416AA84B.90705@research.att.com> Matthew Frederico wrote: >Hi, I am experiencing a strange thing .. Everything loads just fine, >and everything is (a lot) faster. However, once the gdm-greeter >loads, things start to go awry ... > >Basically in a nutshell, its as if my window content doesn't get >update, which makes my windows "invisible" > >Now, the way I upgraded was using yum. This is not a "fresh" install. > >I think this has something to do with X, but I can't nail it down. > >Anybody have any ideas? > > > Are you seeing this problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132267 where the i810 driver fails to refresh damaged areas? John From pnasrat at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 15:34:13 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:34:13 +0100 Subject: [bugweek] Synaptics testing In-Reply-To: <1097201720.3835.1.camel@dhcppc2> References: <1097028974.3217.14.camel@dhcppc2> <1097201720.3835.1.camel@dhcppc2> Message-ID: <1097508853.4014.28.camel@anu.eridu> On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 22:15 -0400, John Richardson wrote: > Latest rawhide again, but it's still not finding the touchpad. Should I > open a bug about this, or am I missing something? Not all touchpads are synaptics - ALPS support is not in at this stage. The other case is for multiple devices (eg synaptics-ptr and synaptics), which is fixed in CVS and will be picked up next rhpl update. But yes bugzilla is usually the best place to raise things. Paul From mfrederico at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 15:55:36 2004 From: mfrederico at gmail.com (Matthew Frederico) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:55:36 -0500 Subject: window content not updating? In-Reply-To: <416AA84B.90705@research.att.com> References: <28e6af6104101108305f850cb8@mail.gmail.com> <416AA84B.90705@research.att.com> Message-ID: <28e6af6104101108554f42d708@mail.gmail.com> > Are you seeing this problem: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132267 > where the i810 driver fails to refresh damaged areas? John, that was exactly it, I am glad there are still people in this world who can read minds and detect configurations across the internet without being specified! Just FYI for those who are lurking, and may experience the same problem: In your xorg.conf, add the line: Option "NoAccel" "true" under the "Device" section (for your video card) It sure was a lot faster before I had to add noaccel, but hey, I'll be patient and wait for a patch as long as I can see my terminals and browser. Thanks! From neiltparis at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 16:18:06 2004 From: neiltparis at gmail.com (Neil Paris) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:18:06 -0400 Subject: sata_nv NForce3 SATA driver on installer Message-ID: <688b33e2041011091856cd7911@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I filed bug 134586 on what I *think* is the same issue as this. However, there hasn't been any action on it in a while, maybe one of you can add some information to that bug to get the ball rolling, so to speak? --Neil Paris From bikehead at amberpoint.com Mon Oct 11 16:30:16 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:30:16 -0700 Subject: Help with networkmanager-gnome Message-ID: <416AB518.5060600@amberpoint.com> I started down this road when I went to add the "wireless monitor" applet to my FC3 task bar on my Dell laptop. It added an applet that reports the network manager is not running. After some searching around on the web I found that I could start the NetworkManager service which I did. Now the applet complains that there are no devices available.... So my questions are: 0. Is the network manager ready for prime-time? Why is the "wireless monitor" applet dependent on it when it can't recoginize my wireless card? 1. There doesn't seem to be a way to remove the applet. My normal method of right clicking to get the action menu where I can usually "remove applet" only shows the "network manager not running" dialog 2. What is the magic of configuring the network manager service? -- __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 From smooge at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 16:38:11 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:38:11 -0600 Subject: KDE issues Message-ID: <80d7e40904101109383843a567@mail.gmail.com> Looks like the KDE packages need a good rebuild in the current system (or pruned out). I wanted to install kdegames for my dad so he could play shihen-so.. and ran into a couple of problems kdebase needs an explicite x.org-xdm dependency kdeaddons needs to be rebuilt or at least figure out what package it requires because the libraries it needs do not seem exist. That was the main issues I found.. I will try to bugzilla, but I am trying to get my Dad around this week. -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From smooge at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 16:44:54 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:44:54 -0600 Subject: KDE issues In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904101109383843a567@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e40904101109383843a567@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80d7e40904101109447b10abd2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:38:11 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > Looks like the KDE packages need a good rebuild in the current system > (or pruned out). > I wanted to install kdegames for my dad so he could play shihen-so.. > and ran into a couple of problems > > kdebase needs an explicite x.org-xdm dependency > kdeaddons needs to be rebuilt or at least figure out what package it > requires because the libraries it needs do not seem exist. > > That was the main issues I found.. I will try to bugzilla, but I am > trying to get my Dad around this week. > Two other issues.. kdebase had to be rpm'd explicitely. yum kept saying that unmet dependencies were not met... and after I installed kdebase, it still listed kdebase as in the development tree.. but was happy to install other kde packages. I do not know what was up with that. > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > Professional System Administrator > -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From bob at jadn.com Mon Oct 11 16:48:45 2004 From: bob at jadn.com (Bob Herrmann) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:48:45 -0400 Subject: Help with networkmanager-gnome In-Reply-To: <416AB518.5060600@amberpoint.com> References: <416AB518.5060600@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <416AB96D.6080109@jadn.com> I have a dell laptop (Inspirion 9100) with the dell wireless card (1350) and by using the ndiswrapper and the WinXP driver, I am able to access the net - no problems. I also added the *wireless signal strength monitor* applet to panel at it appears to be working just fine. Cheers, -bob Bikehead wrote: > I started down this road when I went to add the "wireless monitor" > applet to my FC3 task bar on my Dell laptop. It added an applet that > reports the network manager is not running. After some searching > around on the web I found that I could start the NetworkManager > service which I did. Now the applet complains that there are no > devices available.... > > So my questions are: > 0. Is the network manager ready for prime-time? Why is the "wireless > monitor" applet dependent on it when it can't recoginize my wireless > card? > > 1. There doesn't seem to be a way to remove the applet. My normal > method of right clicking to get the action menu where I can usually > "remove applet" only shows the "network manager not running" dialog > > 2. What is the magic of configuring the network manager service? > From bikehead at amberpoint.com Mon Oct 11 16:55:01 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:55:01 -0700 Subject: Help with networkmanager-gnome In-Reply-To: <416AB96D.6080109@jadn.com> References: <416AB518.5060600@amberpoint.com> <416AB96D.6080109@jadn.com> Message-ID: <416ABAE5.3060401@amberpoint.com> Just to be clear. I have wireless access. It the networkmanager-gnome applet and it's companion NetworkManager service that doesn't seem to be working. The NetworkManger service is different than the "networking" service. __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 Bob Herrmann wrote: > > I have a dell laptop (Inspirion 9100) with the dell wireless card > (1350) and by using the ndiswrapper and the WinXP driver, I am able to > access the net - no problems. I also added the *wireless signal > strength monitor* applet to panel at it appears to be working just fine. > > Cheers, > -bob > > Bikehead wrote: > >> I started down this road when I went to add the "wireless monitor" >> applet to my FC3 task bar on my Dell laptop. It added an applet that >> reports the network manager is not running. After some searching >> around on the web I found that I could start the NetworkManager >> service which I did. Now the applet complains that there are no >> devices available.... >> >> So my questions are: >> 0. Is the network manager ready for prime-time? Why is the >> "wireless monitor" applet dependent on it when it can't recoginize my >> wireless card? >> >> 1. There doesn't seem to be a way to remove the applet. My normal >> method of right clicking to get the action menu where I can usually >> "remove applet" only shows the "network manager not running" dialog >> >> 2. What is the magic of configuring the network manager service? >> > From smooge at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 16:55:43 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:55:43 -0600 Subject: Gnome issues Message-ID: <80d7e40904101109556cf01cbc@mail.gmail.com> gnome seems to deadlock this morning when trying to log in. It said that some gnome daemon could not start, but pressing either CANCEL or OK to report to the developers just halted the box. Had to kill bonobo and a lot of related processes by hand to get the user account to open. Am using xfce at the moment because of this. Ok first off.. I am guessing that the Red Hat Desktop initiative of choosing the best of breed seems to have gone to the wayside with epiphany over firefox. At one time there was a lot of talk about getting the best package in place whether it was KDE, GNOME, or independant onto the desktop.. and I believed and defended it against a lot of people who said it was just a ploy. I was kind of perturbed that the original desktop had no KDE items listed on it even though several items (HTML editor) were better than naything GNOME had. However, getting epiphany as the default browser is kind of the icing on the cake for me right now.. It might have promise.. but now I am back to having 2+ browsers installed on my system when Firefox was doing just nicely. Crusty old man going off to delete epiphany and change various default settings so that I can get my work web-pages again. [And no they are not going to add epiphany/konqueror/etc/etc to the list of working browsers.. getting them to support Mozilla was a big enough change from Netscape 4.2 and Microsoft IE] -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 11 16:57:15 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:57:15 -0400 Subject: KDE issues In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904101109447b10abd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e40904101109383843a567@mail.gmail.com> <80d7e40904101109447b10abd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097513835.11119.31.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 12:44, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:38:11 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > > Looks like the KDE packages need a good rebuild in the current system > > (or pruned out). > > I wanted to install kdegames for my dad so he could play shihen-so.. > > and ran into a couple of problems > > > > kdebase needs an explicite x.org-xdm dependency > > kdeaddons needs to be rebuilt or at least figure out what package it > > requires because the libraries it needs do not seem exist. > > > > That was the main issues I found.. I will try to bugzilla, but I am > > trying to get my Dad around this week. > > > > Two other issues.. kdebase had to be rpm'd explicitely. yum kept > saying that unmet dependencies were not met... and after I installed > kdebase, it still listed kdebase as in the development tree.. but was > happy to install other kde packages. I do not know what was up with > that. let me guess: rpm 4.3.2-10 or -11? If so it's a bug in rpm in how the ts.check() tuple is formed. -sv From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 11 17:04:23 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:04:23 +0200 Subject: KDE issues In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904101109447b10abd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e40904101109383843a567@mail.gmail.com> <80d7e40904101109447b10abd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097514263.5931.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 11 octobre 2004 ? 10:44 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen a ?crit : > Two other issues.. kdebase had to be rpm'd explicitely. yum kept > saying that unmet dependencies were not met... Perhaps you hit this bug : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135008 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From bikehead at amberpoint.com Mon Oct 11 17:08:17 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:08:17 -0700 Subject: Help with networkmanager-gnome In-Reply-To: <416ABAE5.3060401@amberpoint.com> References: <416AB518.5060600@amberpoint.com> <416AB96D.6080109@jadn.com> <416ABAE5.3060401@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <416ABE01.6040603@amberpoint.com> Specifically, the applet is /usr/libexec/NMWirelessApplet __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 Bikehead wrote: > Just to be clear. I have wireless access. It the > networkmanager-gnome applet and it's companion NetworkManager service > that doesn't seem to be working. The NetworkManger service is > different than the "networking" service. > > __o > _-\<,_ Brian > (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 > > > > Bob Herrmann wrote: > >> >> I have a dell laptop (Inspirion 9100) with the dell wireless card >> (1350) and by using the ndiswrapper and the WinXP driver, I am able >> to access the net - no problems. I also added the *wireless signal >> strength monitor* applet to panel at it appears to be working just fine. >> >> Cheers, >> -bob >> >> Bikehead wrote: >> >>> I started down this road when I went to add the "wireless monitor" >>> applet to my FC3 task bar on my Dell laptop. It added an applet >>> that reports the network manager is not running. After some >>> searching around on the web I found that I could start the >>> NetworkManager service which I did. Now the applet complains that >>> there are no devices available.... >>> >>> So my questions are: >>> 0. Is the network manager ready for prime-time? Why is the >>> "wireless monitor" applet dependent on it when it can't recoginize >>> my wireless card? >>> >>> 1. There doesn't seem to be a way to remove the applet. My normal >>> method of right clicking to get the action menu where I can usually >>> "remove applet" only shows the "network manager not running" dialog >>> >>> 2. What is the magic of configuring the network manager service? >>> >> > From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 17:36:52 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:36:52 -0700 Subject: Firefox vs Ephipany? Message-ID: Both have tabbed browsing, both are lightweight, both have a lot of common similarities. Now that there's firefox and epiphany, I wonder what will people be using in their desktops? From dstewart at atl.lmco.com Mon Oct 11 17:45:58 2004 From: dstewart at atl.lmco.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:45:58 -0400 Subject: Firefox vs Ephipany? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 joelbryan wrote: | Both have tabbed browsing, both are lightweight, both have a lot of | common similarities. | Now that there's firefox and epiphany, I wonder what will people be | using in their desktops? | Certainly not the sucktastic Epiphany. Then again, I'm still bitter about Galeon being dropped as the browser of choice. - -- - ---------- Doug Stewart Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs dstewart at atl.lmco.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBasbWN50Q8DVvcvkRAk1RAJ9FQd27wY31hQaLuPR9W1pWqt1zUwCfct6R tjuvILTXS8G5xtes5hPNNMc= =GVdO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From davej at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 18:30:24 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:30:24 -0400 Subject: Kernel 603 crashes on reboot In-Reply-To: <41688B96.7050204@yahoo.com> References: <41688B96.7050204@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041011183024.GB23303@redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 08:08:38PM -0500, Allen Kistler wrote: > Anybody else see this? Is it time to go back to 541 again? > > Without the hex, I get something like: > > EIP is at find_isa_irq_pin > Process reboot > Call Trace > diasable_IO_APIC I fixed this up over the weekend. I'll push a new kernel out tonight that has this fixed. Dave From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 11 18:33:43 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:33:43 +0200 Subject: Firefox vs Ephipany? In-Reply-To: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> References: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1097519622.27958.9.camel@kyrre> Personally i prefer epiphany. Used to like opera (VERY maximalistic), but somehow i tended to start epiphany more and more... Now i never ever start opera anymore. Simply beckause epiphany is faster, starts faster, and is tightly integrated. I like integration - integration and consistency. Kyrre, the guy who breaks gaim by a regular basis by dragging all sorts of stuff into it. But, its quite stable now, almost always survives and everything :) man, 11.10.2004 kl. 19.45 skrev Doug Stewart: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > joelbryan wrote: > | Both have tabbed browsing, both are lightweight, both have a lot of > | common similarities. > | Now that there's firefox and epiphany, I wonder what will people be > | using in their desktops? > | > > Certainly not the sucktastic Epiphany. > > Then again, I'm still bitter about Galeon being dropped as the browser > of choice. > > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > dstewart at atl.lmco.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBasbWN50Q8DVvcvkRAk1RAJ9FQd27wY31hQaLuPR9W1pWqt1zUwCfct6R > tjuvILTXS8G5xtes5hPNNMc= > =GVdO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From per.winkvist at comhem.se Mon Oct 11 18:36:31 2004 From: per.winkvist at comhem.se (Perra) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:36:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? Message-ID: <200410111836.i9BIaVI29525@d1o408.telia.com> Hi, If I boot my laptop without the network cable attached I have to wait almost a minute before "bringing up network" times out. Can't it just detect that link is down? (When I remove/plugin my network cable serveral times I can se lots of link up/down messages while doing dmesg) Then when I attach the cable I want it to startup the network without me suing to root and running "service network restart"? With howl, I thought it would be possible to connect two linux machines with a crossover cable and have howl automagically setup 10.0.0.{1,2} correctly in each end. Other from that FC3t2 is really slick! Perra From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 11 18:35:32 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:35:32 +0200 Subject: Gnome issues In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904101109556cf01cbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e40904101109556cf01cbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097519732.27958.11.camel@kyrre> Epiphany == mozilla when it comes to rendering firefox ~ mozilla ~ netscape... man, 11.10.2004 kl. 18.55 skrev Stephen J. Smoogen: > gnome seems to deadlock this morning when trying to log in. It said > that some gnome daemon could not start, but pressing either CANCEL or > OK to report to the developers just halted the box. Had to kill bonobo > and a lot of related processes by hand to get the user account to > open. Am using xfce at the moment because of this. > > > Ok first off.. I am guessing that the Red Hat Desktop initiative of > choosing the best of breed seems to have gone to the wayside with > epiphany over firefox. At one time there was a lot of talk about > getting the best package in place whether it was KDE, GNOME, or > independant onto the desktop.. and I believed and defended it against > a lot of people who said it was just a ploy. I was kind of perturbed > that the original desktop had no KDE items listed on it even though > several items (HTML editor) were better than naything GNOME had. > However, getting epiphany as the default browser is kind of the icing > on the cake for me right now.. It might have promise.. but now I am > back to having 2+ browsers installed on my system when Firefox was > doing just nicely. > > Crusty old man going off to delete epiphany and change various default > settings so that I can get my work web-pages again. [And no they are > not going to add epiphany/konqueror/etc/etc to the list of working > browsers.. getting them to support Mozilla was a big enough change > from Netscape 4.2 and Microsoft IE] > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > Professional System Administrator From mike at bristolreccc.co.uk Mon Oct 11 18:41:36 2004 From: mike at bristolreccc.co.uk (mike) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:41:36 +0100 Subject: Firefox vs Ephipany? In-Reply-To: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> References: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1097520097.4192.0.camel@datacc> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 13:45 -0400, Doug Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > joelbryan wrote: > | Both have tabbed browsing, both are lightweight, both have a lot of > | common similarities. > | Now that there's firefox and epiphany, I wonder what will people be > | using in their desktops? > | > > Certainly not the sucktastic Epiphany. > > Then again, I'm still bitter about Galeon being dropped as the browser > of choice. > never was, not in redhat/FC or gnome BTW epiphany rocks > - -- > - ---------- > Doug Stewart > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > dstewart at atl.lmco.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBasbWN50Q8DVvcvkRAk1RAJ9FQd27wY31hQaLuPR9W1pWqt1zUwCfct6R > tjuvILTXS8G5xtes5hPNNMc= > =GVdO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From alan at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 18:43:04 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:43:04 -0400 Subject: Gnome issues In-Reply-To: <1097519732.27958.11.camel@kyrre> References: <80d7e40904101109556cf01cbc@mail.gmail.com> <1097519732.27958.11.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041011184304.GA17966@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 08:35:32PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Epiphany == mozilla when it comes to rendering > > firefox ~ mozilla ~ netscape... > Except for cases involving XUL sometimes (eg toolbars) From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 11 18:45:04 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:45:04 +0200 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <1097498222.4848.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097498222.4848.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097520303.27958.14.camel@kyrre> Yup. The new gtk file selector _is_ a good thing. mesa likeses it as well :D But i don't like spatial nautilus. Simply because it has no adress bar and no "up" button. Which makes it a chore to use. man, 11.10.2004 kl. 14.37 skrev Todd Chambery: > Just to offer a counterpoint to the more vocal opinions on the file > selector: I, for one, am a big fan. The old selector was woefully > inadequate for its lack of favorites, and the default shortcuts are > extremely useful. I have even come to appreciate the "button path" at > the top. Using the new file selector, I definitely feel like the > computer is helping me (I have fewer keystrokes/clicks) rather than > making work. > > my 2c, > > Todd > > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 20:33 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:46:34PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > > It is starting to look like an intentional destruction of GNOME. I'll > > > try out KDE after a long absense from the manager. My distraction with > > > KDE was too much like windows. I had to use Konquerer to overcome the > > > > Much as I despise the new file selector in Gnome I'm quite sure the folks who > > did it genuinely believe it is better and are still trying improvements > > out. One of the effects of doing new stuff is it has bugs in it. > > From linux_4ever at yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 18:56:35 2004 From: linux_4ever at yahoo.com (Steve G) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <200410111836.i9BIaVI29525@d1o408.telia.com> Message-ID: <20041011185635.18800.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> >Then when I attach the cable I want it to startup the network without >me suing to root and running "service network restart"? Actually, you can do something different to get the same effect. You can set the network interfaces not be started on boot. Then use the netplugd program to start the interfaces when the cable is plugged in and stop them when its pulled out. You need to do a little configuring, but it should automagically start and stop interfaces for you. -Steve Grubb _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 21:00:28 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:00:28 -0400 Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <20041011185635.18800.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041011185635.18800.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097528428.29490.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Or, you could use NetworkManager. Which has a chunk of UI integration in the form of a wireless applet in your notification area on either the GNOME or KDE panel, and allows network device control (and access point switching) from that applet. Packages are in rawhide, but I don't recommend using them today. We're going to make a much-improved release probably tomorrow, and then updated packages will go into rawhide. NetworkManager is the combination of a system daemon and a user-side daemon to automatically manage your network devices, attempting to keep a network connection up and running. If you're at your desk with a cable plugged in, and unplug that cable, NM will attempt to connect to a wireless network you've selected previously, and when you plug back in (after the meeting, or after the park, whatever) it will switch back to the wired connection. Its basically netplugd/ifplugd/waproamd with a nice user-interface and a dbus API so people can write cool applications that know about and alter the network's state. Dan On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 11:56 -0700, Steve G wrote: > >Then when I attach the cable I want it to startup the network without > >me suing to root and running "service network restart"? > > Actually, you can do something different to get the same effect. You can set the > network interfaces not be started on boot. Then use the netplugd program to start > the interfaces when the cable is plugged in and stop them when its pulled out. > You need to do a little configuring, but it should automagically start and stop > interfaces for you. > > -Steve Grubb > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 11 21:08:28 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:08:28 +0200 Subject: Yum error with "runuser" not found In-Reply-To: <1097176207.18178.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <200410072006.10950.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1097176207.18178.35.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1097527814.28625.3.camel@kyrre> *snip* > > Why does it bomb out when it cannot install one package? > > b/c a portion of the transaction has failed, thus the transaction has > failed. > That behaviour is *very* annoying. I once had a machine hooked up for "nightly yum update" - and it worked great. Until sombody figured out that "hey, lets push a new xmms!". And the machine connected to the server every night, downloaded the headers, and jumped out when it discovered that the "xmms-mp3" plugin wasn't compatible with xmms. That i discovered after a month or two... What i think should be done, is that if it detects an incompitability, it should not bomb out - it shoud simply log the fact, and update everything else. That would also be true to kernel modules. Kyrre From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 11 21:08:30 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:08:30 +0200 Subject: FC3T2: Remote X11 connections not working over SSH In-Reply-To: <1097139171.18900.18.camel@heplnw8> References: <20041006202345.996527405C@hormel.redhat.com> <1097139171.18900.18.camel@heplnw8> Message-ID: <1097527940.28625.5.camel@kyrre> Ahh! Thats why i couldn't paste the bugzilla numbers! Thanks! tor, 07.10.2004 kl. 10.52 skrev William John Murray: > Thanks for this guys! > I have been using "ssh myhost evolution" with the X11 forwarding > turned on in /etc/shh/sshd_config via "X11Forwarding yes". But it has > been in untrusted mode on FC3T2, which means no cut and paste. I had > assumed it > was some bug; sorry! > But it does seem odd that I cannot copy and paste from the untrusted > window to a local one. The other way round makes more sense... > > Thanks anyway. > Bill > > > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Daryl Herzmann wrote: > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > I upgraded my laptop from FC1 to FC3T2 and can't seem to get remote > X11 > > > connections to work over SSH. The remote machines are RHEL WS3 > boxen. > > > > > > mylaptop$ ssh -X remotehost > > > > try: > > > > ssh -Y remotehost > > > > Change in OpenSSH 3.8/3.9 - and it has come up in the lists a few > > times. > > > > Satish From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 11 21:08:32 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:08:32 +0200 Subject: MySQL 4 In-Reply-To: <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> References: <1097059872.1532.4.camel@jaume.lnst.es> <1097062668.18818.40.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097090346.18818.75.camel@hostmaster.org> <1097091914.4078.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097096463.18818.115.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100614472abaf050@mail.gmail.com> <1097102776.18818.140.camel@hostmaster.org> <604aa79104100616377ad1a378@mail.gmail.com> <1097143899.18818.176.camel@hostmaster.org> <20041007144015.GD1411660@hiwaay.net> <4165576A.1020401@flarn.com> Message-ID: <1097528656.28625.7.camel@kyrre> tor, 07.10.2004 kl. 16.49 skrev Ken Snider: > Chris Adams wrote: > > > We use MySQL in a web-hosting environment. There's no way we'll upgrade to > > anything later than 3.23, as any customer writing a program to talk to the > > database would have to be aware that their code would fall under the GPL if > > they distribute it. When we decide to make a change, it will probably be > > to PostgreSQL or something else, not MySQL 4.0 or later. > > Just one small clarification. > > You can still connect to MySQL via a Unix Socket or TCP without worrying about > the GPL-ness of the libraries - this only affects *compiled* code that links > against libmysql. > > This is one of the reasons a separate package with the 3.x mysql libs might > make sense from a linking standpoint, but I'd bet there'd be an issue with > using them against a 4.x MySQL. > > -- > Ken Snider *trying to be funny* GPL Internet Explorer! It talks to GPL servers! From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 11 21:14:28 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:14:28 +0200 Subject: Firefox vs Ephipany? In-Reply-To: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> References: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> Message-ID: <1097529268.5931.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 11 octobre 2004 ? 13:45 -0400, Doug Stewart a ?crit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > joelbryan wrote: > | Both have tabbed browsing, both are lightweight, both have a lot of > | common similarities. > | Now that there's firefox and epiphany, I wonder what will people be > | using in their desktops? > | > > Certainly not the sucktastic Epiphany. Please, stop bashing epiphany or Fedora default browser. You don't like epiphany, don't use it. btw, Fedora added Firefox (and thunderbird) to FC3 between FC3T1 and FC3T2. This was _not_ initially planed. FC3 provide four (!) browsers (epiphany, firefox, mozilla, konqueror). I don't use epiphany but it's the best _default_ browser for beginners (and Gnome). Other users know how to install firefox ("yum|apt|update| rpm install firefox"). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From ernesto at ornl.gov Mon Oct 11 21:45:05 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:45:05 -0400 Subject: FC3T3 is out In-Reply-To: <1097505074.5931.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097505074.5931.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1097531106.4218.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 16:31 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ > > keep bittorrent running (or run bittorrent from FC3T3 :-) ). > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Some related questions: -- Is rawhide frozen for awhile (If so, for how long)? Are the two packages below in the FC3T3 build? -- Currently ecj-2.1.3-5 does not install from rawhide, how to fix? -- iiimf-??? packages also fail to install from Rawhide, how to fix. Are the two packages above in the FC3T3 build? Thanks, Ernesto From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 22:24:21 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:24:21 -0400 Subject: kernel-2.6.8-1.603 brings back refresh problem for 815 Graphics Controller Message-ID: <416B0815.9000803@sbcglobal.net> I just booted up using the kernel-2.6.8-1.603 and had a very familiar problem that I used to only have with loser resolutions and depths. With the new kernel, even the higher color and depths exhibit the refresh problem. I added this to the triage bug for the refresh problem. Jim From talbotscott at cox.net Mon Oct 11 22:38:48 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:38:48 -0700 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <1097520303.27958.14.camel@kyrre> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097498222.4848.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097520303.27958.14.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1097534329.3674.2.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 20:45 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Yup. The new gtk file selector _is_ a good thing. mesa likeses it as > well :D > > But i don't like spatial nautilus. Simply because it has no adress bar > and no "up" button. Which makes it a chore to use. Not to be contrary, but you can go "up" as far as root in the bottom on the bottom left. It's not the same as an up but it gets the job done. (BTW I too am too lazy and always choose to browse) > man, 11.10.2004 kl. 14.37 skrev Todd Chambery: > > Just to offer a counterpoint to the more vocal opinions on the file > > selector: I, for one, am a big fan. The old selector was woefully > > inadequate for its lack of favorites, and the default shortcuts are > > extremely useful. I have even come to appreciate the "button path" at > > the top. Using the new file selector, I definitely feel like the > > computer is helping me (I have fewer keystrokes/clicks) rather than > > making work. > > > > my 2c, > > > > Todd Scott From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 22:40:58 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:40:58 -0700 Subject: FC3T3 is out In-Reply-To: <1097531106.4218.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097505074.5931.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097531106.4218.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041011224058.GA8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 05:45:05PM -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 16:31 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ > > > > keep bittorrent running (or run bittorrent from FC3T3 :-) ). > > Some related questions: > > -- Is rawhide frozen for awhile (If so, for how long)? Good question. How many 'default' rawhide updates should one expect after a clean FC3Test3 install. I see 247 is that expected? > Are the two packages below in the FC3T3 build? > > -- Currently ecj-2.1.3-5 does not install from rawhide, how to fix? > -- iiimf-??? packages also fail to install from Rawhide, how to fix. > > Are the two packages above in the FC3T3 build? I did not install them but it looks like it: $ find FC2.92 -print | egrep "ecj|iiimf" FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-unit-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-hangul-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-canna-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-chinput-0.3-9.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-libs-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-csconv-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-docs-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-gnome-im-switcher-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-gtk-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-xcin-0.1.7-6.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-libs-devel-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-server-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-x-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/ecj-2.1.3-5.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-sun-thai-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-emacs-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-freewnn-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm Anyhow a clean install of test 3 went fine for me method was NFS, booting from Disc1. -- T o m M i t c h e l l Me, I would "Rather" Not. From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 23:08:38 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:08:38 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <1097498222.4848.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097434152.4100.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4169ADBA.1020700@sbcglobal.net> <20041011003347.GA19994@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1097498222.4848.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <416B1276.1050702@sbcglobal.net> Great counterpoint. I think that some sort of actual path along with the destination directory only display would be useful to help make both preferences of uses able to get the results that they desire. Comparing W2k to XP. XP does have an absolute bar on the top and the favorites on the left and the actual files listing on the right. W2k on the other hand has the similar distraction of too brief of information for the user. This is closer to the model that I see with the current scheme selected. Watever the developers choose is the product that we'll get. It would be decent to customize the behavior to personal tastes. Jim Todd Chambery wrote: > Just to offer a counterpoint to the more vocal opinions on the file > selector: I, for one, am a big fan. The old selector was woefully > inadequate for its lack of favorites, and the default shortcuts are > extremely useful. I have even come to appreciate the "button path" at > the top. Using the new file selector, I definitely feel like the > computer is helping me (I have fewer keystrokes/clicks) rather than > making work. > > my 2c, > > Todd > > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 20:33 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > >>On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:46:34PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: >> >>>It is starting to look like an intentional destruction of GNOME. I'll >>>try out KDE after a long absense from the manager. My distraction with >>>KDE was too much like windows. I had to use Konquerer to overcome the >> >>Much as I despise the new file selector in Gnome I'm quite sure the folks who >>did it genuinely believe it is better and are still trying improvements >>out. One of the effects of doing new stuff is it has bugs in it. >> > > From walters at redhat.com Mon Oct 11 23:08:25 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:08:25 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1097536105.1919.3.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 14:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Anyway, that is not the most annoying problem with the new way that > files are saved without prompting the user if the file already exists. > This should not happen. That's an application-level bug. The file selector just returns a file name. From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 11 23:16:13 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:16:13 -0400 Subject: window content not updating? In-Reply-To: <416AA84B.90705@research.att.com> References: <28e6af6104101108305f850cb8@mail.gmail.com> <416AA84B.90705@research.att.com> Message-ID: <416B143D.3050404@sbcglobal.net> John Ellson wrote: > Matthew Frederico wrote: > >> Hi, I am experiencing a strange thing .. Everything loads just fine, >> and everything is (a lot) faster. However, once the gdm-greeter >> loads, things start to go awry ... >> >> Basically in a nutshell, its as if my window content doesn't get >> update, which makes my windows "invisible" >> >> Now, the way I upgraded was using yum. This is not a "fresh" install. >> >> I think this has something to do with X, but I can't nail it down. >> >> Anybody have any ideas? >> >> >> > Are you seeing this problem: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132267 > where the i810 driver fails to refresh damaged areas? > > John > I guessed the 810AGP driver in the kernel has gone haywire. I dropped back to kernel-2.6.8-1.541 since kernel-2.6.8-1.603 really bombed even at higher resolutions. The X is the same and works w/ the kernel-2.6.8-1.541 kernel for me anyway. Other video cards are supposed to take advantage of this AGP and might also have problems because of some customization to the kernel driver. There was a discussion on the development list regarding radeon and the AGP in the kernel. More accurate information might be available from reading this list archive. Jim From smooge at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 23:46:10 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:46:10 -0600 Subject: KDE issues In-Reply-To: <1097514263.5931.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <80d7e40904101109383843a567@mail.gmail.com> <80d7e40904101109447b10abd2@mail.gmail.com> <1097514263.5931.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <80d7e409041011164650956ef9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:04:23 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le lundi 11 octobre 2004 ? 10:44 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen a ?crit : > > Two other issues.. kdebase had to be rpm'd explicitely. yum kept > > saying that unmet dependencies were not met... > > Perhaps you hit this bug : > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135008 > > Back from as far as the snow would let us drive. Yes that is the bug. WIll check tomorrow that it is fixed. > -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From smooge at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 23:53:25 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:53:25 -0600 Subject: Gnome issues In-Reply-To: <20041011184304.GA17966@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <80d7e40904101109556cf01cbc@mail.gmail.com> <1097519732.27958.11.camel@kyrre> <20041011184304.GA17966@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <80d7e40904101116535583200b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:43:04 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 08:35:32PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Epiphany == mozilla when it comes to rendering > > > > firefox ~ mozilla ~ netscape... > > > > Except for cases involving XUL sometimes (eg toolbars) > Most of the issues come from too specific form building. The forms will look appropriate in MSIE, Netscape commercial and Mozilla, but would blow up on various versions of konqueror, galeon, and epiphany (fonts in the wrong spot, css all whacked, etc etc etc). The end result is that if it isnt the blessed 2 browsers, the people who spend their time web-hacking arent going to take the time to try to fix it.. and I really dont have time to try and figure out what got whacked out either. I just want to do my inventory or time and effort, or a ton of other things. [The reason for this is that we spent too much time getting them to support anything other than MSIE 5+... and they put the limit to MSIE and Mozilla. ] -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From smooge at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 23:54:16 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:54:16 -0600 Subject: Gnome issues In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904101109556cf01cbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e40904101109556cf01cbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80d7e409041011165465d29e50@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:55:43 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > gnome seems to deadlock this morning when trying to log in. It said > that some gnome daemon could not start, but pressing either CANCEL or > OK to report to the developers just halted the box. Had to kill bonobo > and a lot of related processes by hand to get the user account to > open. Am using xfce at the moment because of this. > THe problem daemon is the gnome-configuration-daemon. I am guessing it is gconfd but really no clue... -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 00:24:10 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:24:10 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <1097536105.1919.3.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097536105.1919.3.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <416B242A.4070403@sbcglobal.net> Colin Walters wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 14:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>Anyway, that is not the most annoying problem with the new way that >>files are saved without prompting the user if the file already exists. >>This should not happen. > > > That's an application-level bug. The file selector just returns a file > name. > > Mozilla seems to be the application that contains this bug. I tried gedit and it warned the user that the file already existed. Off to test gpm and synaptics interaction. Jim From joelbryanster at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 00:29:29 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:29:29 -0700 Subject: Firefox vs Ephipany? In-Reply-To: <1097520097.4192.0.camel@datacc> References: <416AC6D6.8050706@atl.lmco.com> <1097520097.4192.0.camel@datacc> Message-ID: for epiphany, I like it's integration with the gnome desktop, for firefox, I like it's plug-in finder features, for mozilla, it's XUL, and for konqueror, it's Windows Explorer-like integration, all of the browsers have great strengths. It's up for the user what comforts him, and what's he thinks the best. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:41:36 +0100, mike wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 13:45 -0400, Doug Stewart wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > joelbryan wrote: > > | Both have tabbed browsing, both are lightweight, both have a lot of > > | common similarities. > > | Now that there's firefox and epiphany, I wonder what will people be > > | using in their desktops? > > | > > > > Certainly not the sucktastic Epiphany. > > > > Then again, I'm still bitter about Galeon being dropped as the browser > > of choice. > > > > never was, not in redhat/FC or gnome > > BTW epiphany rocks > > > > - -- > > - ---------- > > Doug Stewart > > Systems Administrator/Web Applications Developer > > Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs > > dstewart at atl.lmco.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFBasbWN50Q8DVvcvkRAk1RAJ9FQd27wY31hQaLuPR9W1pWqt1zUwCfct6R > > tjuvILTXS8G5xtes5hPNNMc= > > =GVdO > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 00:34:54 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:34:54 -0700 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:36:05PM -0400, ne... wrote: > On Oct 10, 2004 at 11:21, Scott Talbot in a soothing rage wrote: > > >seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > >wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > >(yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > >That way we each get what we want. > In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed > but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the > kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. > Then I suspect you are in a group that should be watching the grub directive: hiddenmenu I have mixed opinions about which kernel should boot (new and unknown or known). I do have an opinion that the menu should not be hidden. A hidden menu makes the presence of a new kernel 'invisible'. This has impact in that "users" will not see that there is a new or older safety net kernel. They will also not see a long list of disk space hogs that eventually should be tidied up. The FC3test3 clean install default is "hiddenmenu". Later, mitch -- T o m M i t c h e l l From joelbryanster at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 01:17:33 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:17:33 -0700 Subject: Desktop Development Specialization Message-ID: What if Fedora Core development was divided in two divisions, the GNOME division and the KDE division, the releases will be available to be GNOME-only or KDE-only releases on seperate iso's, the GNOME ISO will specializes only on GNOME softwares and applications. There will be a micro-managed bug fixing for GNOME-only related softwares, the effort will be concentrating on much more focused approach than the traditional (hybrid ISO's), same to the KDE ISO, wherein include a KDE-only related (or specialized) softwares and applications. From MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com Tue Oct 12 01:28:08 2004 From: MSchwartz at MedAnalytics.com (Marc Schwartz) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:28:08 -0500 Subject: Desktop Development Specialization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097544488.29286.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 20:17, joelbryan wrote: > What if Fedora Core development was divided in two divisions, the > GNOME division and the KDE division, the releases will be available to > be GNOME-only or KDE-only releases on seperate iso's, the GNOME ISO > will specializes only on GNOME softwares and applications. There will > be a micro-managed bug fixing for GNOME-only related softwares, the > effort will be concentrating on much more focused approach than the > traditional (hybrid ISO's), same to the KDE ISO, wherein include a > KDE-only related (or specialized) softwares and applications. Which version contains Xfce (which I run)? You are also not considering that there are folks, myself included, who run a mix of apps, both gtk and qt (like k3b) in our current environments. I think that you are taking too much of a black and white perspective here. There is already a lot of divisiveness over these issues and I don't think that this would help. There are already maintainers focused on specific components, which roll up into the full FC releases and I think that this approach serves the community well. My 2 cents. Marc From uncle_chabby at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 01:47:40 2004 From: uncle_chabby at yahoo.com (Anony Mous) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: USB thumb drive question... Message-ID: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all: I'm running a clean install of the development tree from 10/11/04. So I plug in a USB thumb drive, and an icon appears on my desktop. Cool. When I try to copy anything to it, i get: "Error while copying to "/media/usbdisk". You do not have permissions to write to this folder." >From the command line, as root, the same thing happens. -charlie _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From uncle_chabby at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 02:06:58 2004 From: uncle_chabby at yahoo.com (Anony Mous) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041012020658.42375.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com> Hi again: OK -- after turning off selinux enforcing in the security level control panel, it works as expected. Is this a bug, or a feature? As a user, I would expect that I would have permissions to write files to a USB thumb drive that I plugged in... -charlie _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From talbotscott at cox.net Tue Oct 12 02:13:36 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:13:36 -0700 Subject: FC3T3 is out In-Reply-To: <20041011224058.GA8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <1097505074.5931.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097531106.4218.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041011224058.GA8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1097547217.3674.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 15:40 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 05:45:05PM -0400, Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 16:31 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ > > > > > > keep bittorrent running (or run bittorrent from FC3T3 :-) ). > > > > Some related questions: > > > > -- Is rawhide frozen for awhile (If so, for how long)? > There was a freeze that was supposed to occur but it never really stopped updating which is why even though I updated 8 filed to test 2 this morning there were 216 when I got up w/ test 3. I suppose really this close to release of FC3 it won't matter too much, but I'd hate to be the guy that has to d'load those again on a 56k modem! > Good question. > How many 'default' rawhide updates should one expect after a > clean FC3Test3 install. I see 247 is that expected? > > > Are the two packages below in the FC3T3 build? > > > > -- Currently ecj-2.1.3-5 does not install from rawhide, how to fix? > > -- iiimf-??? packages also fail to install from Rawhide, how to fix. > > > > Are the two packages above in the FC3T3 build? > I did not install them but it looks like it: > $ find FC2.92 -print | egrep "ecj|iiimf" > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-unit-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-hangul-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-canna-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-chinput-0.3-9.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-libs-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-csconv-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-docs-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-gnome-im-switcher-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-gtk-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-xcin-0.1.7-6.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-libs-devel-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-server-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc3/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-x-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/ecj-2.1.3-5.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-sun-thai-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-emacs-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > FC2.92/disc4/Fedora/RPMS/iiimf-le-freewnn-12.0.1-9.svn1936.i386.rpm > > Anyhow a clean install of test 3 went fine for me method was NFS, > booting from Disc1. > > > > -- > T o m M i t c h e l l > Me, I would "Rather" Not. > From talbotscott at cox.net Tue Oct 12 02:27:41 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:27:41 -0700 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097548061.3674.15.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 18:47 -0700, Anony Mous wrote: > Hi all: > > I'm running a clean install of the development tree > from 10/11/04. > > So I plug in a USB thumb drive, and an icon appears on > my desktop. Cool. > > When I try to copy anything to it, i get: > > "Error while copying to "/media/usbdisk". > You do not have permissions to write to this folder." I have no problem with mine, but I have mine in place during boot. assuming that you have not touched anything, my fstab: /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat noauto,user,exec,managed,noatime,sync 0 0 and the listing of /media drwxr-xr-x 5 scott scott 16384 Dec 31 1969 usbdisk my system is also up2date as of today 11Oct so I would hope that your stuff looks the same (nearly). HTH > >From the command line, as root, the same thing > happens. > > -charlie Scott From john at mellor.dyndns.org Tue Oct 12 03:20:08 2004 From: john at mellor.dyndns.org (John Mellor) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:20:08 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:25, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Fedora Core 3 test 3 is now available. Is the MD5sum correct as distributed? I just did a completely successful download using BitTorrent, and it says that everything was ok. According to the MD5 file, for the 5 disks, I should therefore see: bc4efae0c3db8f32820b5a779455d20f FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso 09d7a1cfe6923b184987d5ecf5a82d8a FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso 9ecbc904c654edec49666098082c3020 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso But instead, I see: ! 4b1c867939bcc6bfde0c2396a276d3aa FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso ! ef112940cfbaa9f64da52ec6e06db8ac FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso ! c9e0f4dd7223b8819f1bc110b705d051 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso which looks like bad disks 1, 3 and the rescue CD. I cross-checked the MD5SUM file contents with 2 other mirror sites and the master site, and they all agree. I just restarted my torrent, and it re-checked the as-downloaded files and again found no fault. RedHat has published bad MD5sums before, so that may be the real problem. Before I go and start installing somebody's spiffy new cracked version, which one is really correct -- the successful download, or the RedHat calculation? From otaylor at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 03:38:41 2004 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:38:41 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1097552321.5474.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 14:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Anyway, that is not the most annoying problem with the new way that > files are saved without prompting the user if the file already exists. > This should not happen. If a application does not prompt you when overwriting existing files, that is a bug in the application, and has absolutely nothing to do with the file selection widget. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From justin.conover at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 04:07:59 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:07:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> Message-ID: Here is my d/l today, I've installed them and everything is working fine: justin at trinity ~/downloads/ISO/FC3T3 $ md5sum *.iso bc4efae0c3db8f32820b5a779455d20f FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso 09d7a1cfe6923b184987d5ecf5a82d8a FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso 9ecbc904c654edec49666098082c3020 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso You might want to pull them off a mirror. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:20:08 -0400, John Mellor wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:25, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Fedora Core 3 test 3 is now available. > > Is the MD5sum correct as distributed? I just did a completely > successful download using BitTorrent, and it says that everything was > ok. > > According to the MD5 file, for the 5 disks, I should therefore see: > > bc4efae0c3db8f32820b5a779455d20f FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > 09d7a1cfe6923b184987d5ecf5a82d8a FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > 9ecbc904c654edec49666098082c3020 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > But instead, I see: > > ! 4b1c867939bcc6bfde0c2396a276d3aa FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > ! ef112940cfbaa9f64da52ec6e06db8ac FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > ! c9e0f4dd7223b8819f1bc110b705d051 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > which looks like bad disks 1, 3 and the rescue CD. I cross-checked the > MD5SUM file contents with 2 other mirror sites and the master site, and > they all agree. I just restarted my torrent, and it re-checked the > as-downloaded files and again found no fault. > > RedHat has published bad MD5sums before, so that may be the real > problem. Before I go and start installing somebody's spiffy new cracked > version, which one is really correct -- the successful download, or the > RedHat calculation? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 12 04:06:34 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:06:34 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> Message-ID: <1097553994.24677.2.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 23:20 -0400, John Mellor wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:25, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Fedora Core 3 test 3 is now available. > > Is the MD5sum correct as distributed? I just did a completely > successful download using BitTorrent, and it says that everything was > ok. > > According to the MD5 file, for the 5 disks, I should therefore see: > > bc4efae0c3db8f32820b5a779455d20f FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > 09d7a1cfe6923b184987d5ecf5a82d8a FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > 9ecbc904c654edec49666098082c3020 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > But instead, I see: > > ! 4b1c867939bcc6bfde0c2396a276d3aa FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > ! ef112940cfbaa9f64da52ec6e06db8ac FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > ! c9e0f4dd7223b8819f1bc110b705d051 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > which looks like bad disks 1, 3 and the rescue CD. I cross-checked the > MD5SUM file contents with 2 other mirror sites and the master site, and > they all agree. I just restarted my torrent, and it re-checked the > as-downloaded files and again found no fault. > > RedHat has published bad MD5sums before, so that may be the real > problem. Before I go and start installing somebody's spiffy new cracked > version, which one is really correct -- the successful download, or the > RedHat calculation? > Statistically which do you think is more likely? That one download failed or that red hat published the wrong md5sums that have been verified by hundreds of mirror sites all over the world? -sv From tioat at adelphia.net Tue Oct 12 04:34:42 2004 From: tioat at adelphia.net (tioat) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:34:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> Message-ID: <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> Justin Conover wrote: > Here is my d/l today, I've installed them and everything is working fine: > > > justin at trinity ~/downloads/ISO/FC3T3 $ md5sum *.iso > bc4efae0c3db8f32820b5a779455d20f FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > 09d7a1cfe6923b184987d5ecf5a82d8a FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > 9ecbc904c654edec49666098082c3020 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > You might want to pull them off a mirror. How many discs did you actually need to complete the install? From justin.conover at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 05:04:03 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:04:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:34:42 -0400, tioat wrote: > Justin Conover wrote: > > > Here is my d/l today, I've installed them and everything is working fine: > > > > > > justin at trinity ~/downloads/ISO/FC3T3 $ md5sum *.iso > > bc4efae0c3db8f32820b5a779455d20f FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > > 09d7a1cfe6923b184987d5ecf5a82d8a FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > > 9ecbc904c654edec49666098082c3020 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > > > You might want to pull them off a mirror. > > How many discs did you actually need to complete the install? Depends on what you install, you could do a "minimum w/ xfs" and you need disc 1 & 4, Standard I believe needs first 3, 4 if you use xfs. Just depends what you install :) From jonathansavage at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 05:06:00 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:06:00 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> Message-ID: <2ad7cea1041011220646b1e5b8@mail.gmail.com> > How many discs did you actually need to complete the install? I think the *minimal* install only requires disc 1, I typically need discs 1-3 for my usual install=desktop default minus a few things +xfce+ dev tools + selected server / sys config tools & samba. YMMV -- Bests, Jon From fayoeu at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 05:09:05 2004 From: fayoeu at gmail.com (Fa Yoeu) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:09:05 -0700 Subject: FC3T3 is out In-Reply-To: <1097505074.5931.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097505074.5931.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: If I update my FC3T1 with yum will it be equal to FC3T3?? On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:31:14 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ > > keep bittorrent running (or run bittorrent from FC3T3 :-) ). > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From ayates1 at lsu.edu Tue Oct 12 05:45:11 2004 From: ayates1 at lsu.edu (Adam Yates) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:45:11 -0500 Subject: kernel-2.6.8-1.603 brings back refresh problem for 815 Graphics Controller In-Reply-To: <416B0815.9000803@sbcglobal.net> References: <416B0815.9000803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <416B6F67.2040102@lsu.edu> Jim Cornette wrote: > I just booted up using the kernel-2.6.8-1.603 and had a very familiar > problem that I used to only have with loser resolutions and depths. > With the new kernel, even the higher color and depths exhibit the > refresh problem. > > I added this to the triage bug for the refresh problem. > > Jim > Do you know if this problem affects laptop displays? I have successfully run core 1 & 2, but whenever it tries to do anything with x as far as gui stuff, even system-config-display, it hangs up on me. Any suggestions? From i.pilcher at comcast.net Tue Oct 12 05:46:41 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:46:41 -0500 Subject: Desktop Development Specialization In-Reply-To: <1097544488.29286.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097544488.29286.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Marc Schwartz wrote: > > You are also not considering that there are folks, myself included, who > run a mix of apps, both gtk and qt (like k3b) in our current > environments. > Absolutely. I prefer KDE, but I mostly use Gtk+ applications. -- ======================================================================== Ian Pilcher i.pilcher at comcast.net ======================================================================== From fctest.20.oopsilon at spamgourmet.com Tue Oct 12 08:34:38 2004 From: fctest.20.oopsilon at spamgourmet.com (Sherman S Wang) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:34:38 -0700 Subject: FC3T3 and ReiserFS Message-ID: <416B971E.7040504@spamgourmet.com> Hi all, I just tried a clean install of FC3T3 and found that it did not work when I tried to install it onto a ReiserFS partition. Formatting within the installer, no format (just install over existing partition), neither made a difference. At the screen after package selection, the installer just hangs. Checking the other terminals via CTRL-ALT-3 (?) showed that it was trying to mount the partition, and then no messages after that. Installation was flawless when I installed using EXT3. Anyone else see this kind of problem? - Sherman From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Tue Oct 12 08:55:20 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:55:20 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 17:34 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:36:05PM -0400, ne... wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2004 at 11:21, Scott Talbot in a soothing rage wrote: > > > > >seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > > >wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > > >(yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > > >That way we each get what we want. > > In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed > > but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the > > kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. > > > > Then I suspect you are in a group that should be watching > the grub directive: > > hiddenmenu > > I have mixed opinions about which kernel should boot (new and unknown > or known). I do have an opinion that the menu should not be hidden. > > A hidden menu makes the presence of a new kernel 'invisible'. > This has impact in that "users" will not see that there > is a new or older safety net kernel. > > They will also not see a long list of disk space hogs > that eventually should be tidied up. > > The FC3test3 clean install default is "hiddenmenu". I think that "hiddenmenu" (and defaulting to the latest kernel) are appropriate for stable releases, where is reasonable for a user to assume that any update was previously tested and won't break his computer In case of trouble, there should be a very clear[1] "press X for advanced/recovery/failsafe options" (show menu) [1] I don't know how clear this is, ATM. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From sking4 at cinci.rr.com Tue Oct 12 09:52:52 2004 From: sking4 at cinci.rr.com (Salane KIng) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:52:52 -0400 Subject: FC3T3 and ReiserFS In-Reply-To: <416B971E.7040504@spamgourmet.com> References: <416B971E.7040504@spamgourmet.com> Message-ID: <200410120552.54242@x-face> On Tuesday 12 October 2004 04:34, Sherman S Wang wrote: > Hi all, > > I just tried a clean install of FC3T3 and found that it did not work > when I tried to install it onto a ReiserFS partition. Formatting within > the installer, no format (just install over existing partition), neither > made a difference. At the screen after package selection, the installer > just hangs. Checking the other terminals via CTRL-ALT-3 (?) showed that > it was trying to mount the partition, and then no messages after that. > Installation was flawless when I installed using EXT3. > > Anyone else see this kind of problem? > > - Sherman TRY linux reiserfs selinux=0 From cochranb at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 12 10:29:42 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:29:42 -0400 Subject: How to Record A DVD? Message-ID: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Using this string [root at bobcp4 rlc]# cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc FC3-test3-x86_64-DVD.iso I get this error from cdrecord: FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. This is what I'm using: Vendor_info : 'SONY ' Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' Revision : '1.0d' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. And the media is TDK DVD+R. How do I fix this? I did use 'growisofs' to write the DVD with apparent success. Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 10:33:47 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:33:47 +0100 Subject: Probably a stupid question, but... Message-ID: I've never used any of the test releases before, so FC3t2 is my first. Do I have to download and reinstall to try out test3, or do I have it now by keeping current with up2date? From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Oct 12 10:40:10 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:40:10 +0100 Subject: Probably a stupid question, but... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097577610.23801.54.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 11:33 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > I've never used any of the test releases before, so FC3t2 is my first. > Do I have to download and reinstall to try out test3, or do I have it > now by keeping current with up2date? This is a questing that has a not so easy answer. In most cases yes, upgrading through yum will keep your system in the same state as a fresh install of the FCxTx release. However, some times things are set up at install (eg, I believe selinux). The default install of FC3 has started to use LVM by default for hard drive partitions, if you were to try and go from FC2 to FC3 then this would be done. Does that help at all answer your question? -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <1097577610.23801.54.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1097578346.23801.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 11:44 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:40:10 +0100, Douglas Furlong > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 11:33 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > > I've never used any of the test releases before, so FC3t2 is my first. > > > Do I have to download and reinstall to try out test3, or do I have it > > > now by keeping current with up2date? > > This is a questing that has a not so easy answer. > > > > In most cases yes, upgrading through yum will keep your system in the > > same state as a fresh install of the FCxTx release. However, some times > > things are set up at install (eg, I believe selinux). > > > > The default install of FC3 has started to use LVM by default for hard > > drive partitions, if you were to try and go from FC2 to FC3 then this > > would be done. > > > > Does that help at all answer your question? > That helps. I installed FC3T2 on a brand new system I built, so it > should have the major components, at least. And I seem to be getting > SELinux updates. I may just skip T3 and waiting for the final release > next month. One of the biggest things about installing the Test Releases is to test the installer to make sure it works on as much hardware as possible. As such it is beneficial to the development and successful release to the wild to have each test release installation tested. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From per.winkvist at comhem.se Tue Oct 12 10:55:12 2004 From: per.winkvist at comhem.se (Perra) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? Message-ID: <200410121055.i9CAtCI28688@d1o408.telia.com> citerar Dan Williams : > Or, you could use NetworkManager. Which has a chunk of UI integration > in the form of a wireless applet in your notification area on either the > GNOME or KDE panel, and allows network device control (and access point > switching) from that applet. Packages are in rawhide, but I don't > recommend using them today. We're going to make a much-improved release > probably tomorrow, and then updated packages will go into rawhide. > > NetworkManager is the combination of a system daemon and a user-side > daemon to automatically manage your network devices, attempting to keep > a network connection up and running. If you're at your desk with a > cable plugged in, and unplug that cable, NM will attempt to connect to a > wireless network you've selected previously, and when you plug back in > (after the meeting, or after the park, whatever) it will switch back to > the wired connection. > > Its basically netplugd/ifplugd/waproamd with a nice user-interface and a > dbus API so people can write cool applications that know about and alter > the network's state. > > Dan Cool, I assume it's independant of X running too. Can it handle local crossover links as well? I don't wanna disable the network interfaces during startup since I run rc.local services that needs net access (net provider login & NTP time sync). This might not be a problem if NetworkManager allows having programs to be run when link goes up/down. Then I usually get my hostname during this step and starting x before the hostname is set isn't a very good idea... Nice to hear that something is happing to this! Perra From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 11:30:33 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:30:33 -0400 Subject: kernel-2.6.8-1.603 brings back refresh problem for 815 Graphics Controller In-Reply-To: <416B6F67.2040102@lsu.edu> References: <416B0815.9000803@sbcglobal.net> <416B6F67.2040102@lsu.edu> Message-ID: <416BC059.5090006@sbcglobal.net> Adam Yates wrote: > Jim Cornette wrote: > >> I just booted up using the kernel-2.6.8-1.603 and had a very familiar >> problem that I used to only have with loser resolutions and depths. >> With the new kernel, even the higher color and depths exhibit the >> refresh problem. >> >> I added this to the triage bug for the refresh problem. >> >> Jim >> > > > Do you know if this problem affects laptop displays? I have successfully > run core 1 & 2, but whenever it tries to > do anything with x as far as gui stuff, even system-config-display, it > hangs up on me. > Any suggestions? > I had the hanging problem with a radeon 7200 recently. I have not had problems on the only laptop that I install Fedora on. If you can run /sbin/lspci and see which type of graphics controller that the laptop has, someone might have similar hardware and know a workaround for bypassing this failure. With the 815 Graphics controller which is used on a lot of desktops/laptops, system-config-display is usable. The resulting X server is unusable because of all items on the screen do not get updated and you get messy output. If you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file created already, you might try the vesa driver in place of whatever screen driver is in this file. The vesa driver does not work for Graphics controllers though. You would end up with diagonal lines across the GUI. lspci output and the xorg.conf file might be handy for determining why you are getting this error. Jim From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 11:33:23 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:33:23 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <1097548061.3674.15.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> <1097548061.3674.15.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <20041012113323.GA18766@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:27:41PM -0700, Scott Talbot wrote: > assuming that you have not touched anything, my fstab: > > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat noauto,user,exec,managed,noatime,sync > 0 0 It should be generating "console" now I thought ? From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 11:40:25 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:40:25 -0400 Subject: Too close to doze - nautilus - no prompt for files that exist already In-Reply-To: <1097552321.5474.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41697B9F.4060003@sbcglobal.net> <1097552321.5474.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <416BC2A9.4080405@sbcglobal.net> Owen Taylor wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 14:12 -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > > >>Anyway, that is not the most annoying problem with the new way that >>files are saved without prompting the user if the file already exists. >>This should not happen. > > > If a application does not prompt you when overwriting existing files, > that is a bug in the application, and has absolutely nothing to do > with the file selection widget. > > File a bug against the application. > > Regards, > Owen > > There was a bug that was submitted against mozilla from development. I added to that report. Should a new bug be entered for FC3T3 or is this bug against development good enough to have this fixed before FC3 becomes final. Basically, are bugs against development closed for test releases or bugs filed against the test releases only considered before the next release? Jim From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 12 12:32:57 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: On Oct 12, 2004 at 04:55, Ricardo Veguilla in a soothing rage wrote: >On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 17:34 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:36:05PM -0400, ne... wrote: >> > On Oct 10, 2004 at 11:21, Scott Talbot in a soothing rage wrote: >> > >> > >seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably >> > >wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the >> > >(yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. >> > >That way we each get what we want. >> > In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed >> > but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the >> > kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. >> >> Then I suspect you are in a group that should be watching >> the grub directive: >> >> hiddenmenu You suspect right. I have commented this out after nearly been bitten by it. >> I have mixed opinions about which kernel should boot (new and unknown >> or known). I do have an opinion that the menu should not be hidden. >> >> A hidden menu makes the presence of a new kernel 'invisible'. >> This has impact in that "users" will not see that there >> is a new or older safety net kernel. >> >> They will also not see a long list of disk space hogs >> that eventually should be tidied up. >> >> The FC3test3 clean install default is "hiddenmenu". > >I think that "hiddenmenu" (and defaulting to the latest kernel) are >appropriate for stable releases, where is reasonable for a user to assume >that any update was previously tested and won't break his computer > >In case of trouble, there should be a very clear[1] >"press X for advanced/recovery/failsafe options" (show menu) > > >[1] I don't know how clear this is, ATM. It is reasonably clear. However, if like me, you have changed the default countdown in grub to something small, you may have to reboot a couple of times to read the stuff, hit the key to show the menu and choose the kernel you want. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 What did Mickey Mouse get for Christmas? A Dan Quayle watch. -- heard from a Mike Dukakis field worker 08:29:19 up 106 days, 1:44, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Tue Oct 12 13:01:10 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:01:10 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097586071.4143.33.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 08:32 -0400, ne... wrote: > On Oct 12, 2004 at 04:55, Ricardo Veguilla in a soothing rage wrote: > > >On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 17:34 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:36:05PM -0400, ne... wrote: > >> > On Oct 10, 2004 at 11:21, Scott Talbot in a soothing rage wrote: > >> > > >> > >seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > >> > >wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > >> > >(yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > >> > >That way we each get what we want. > >> > In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed > >> > but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the > >> > kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. > >> > >> Then I suspect you are in a group that should be watching > >> the grub directive: > >> > >> hiddenmenu > You suspect right. I have commented this out after nearly been > bitten by it. > > >> I have mixed opinions about which kernel should boot (new and unknown > >> or known). I do have an opinion that the menu should not be hidden. > >> > >> A hidden menu makes the presence of a new kernel 'invisible'. > >> This has impact in that "users" will not see that there > >> is a new or older safety net kernel. > >> > >> They will also not see a long list of disk space hogs > >> that eventually should be tidied up. > >> > >> The FC3test3 clean install default is "hiddenmenu". > > > >I think that "hiddenmenu" (and defaulting to the latest kernel) are > >appropriate for stable releases, where is reasonable for a user to assume > >that any update was previously tested and won't break his computer > > > >In case of trouble, there should be a very clear[1] > >"press X for advanced/recovery/failsafe options" (show menu) > > > > > >[1] I don't know how clear this is, ATM. > It is reasonably clear. However, if like me, you have changed the > default countdown in grub to something small, you may have to reboot > a couple of times to read the stuff, hit the key to show the > menu and choose the kernel you want. Yeah, same here. Anyway, I was thinking more in the case of people using stock configurations. Maybe the whole boot system should be a little more intelligent with respect to this. For example, if the system could "know" there was a problem the last time the system booted, and automatically show some failsafe options the next time you boot. Obviously, this should be configurable. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From mharris at www.linux.org.uk Tue Oct 12 13:03:43 2004 From: mharris at www.linux.org.uk (Mike A. Harris) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:03:43 -0400 Subject: Xorg still does not work properly on Sony Picturebook In-Reply-To: <200410031647.11035.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410031647.11035.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <416BD62F.9090903@www.linux.org.uk> Timothy Murphy wrote: > I just upgraded my Sony C1VFK laptop from FC2 to FC3t2, > following a suggestion on the Fedora-list that this might help > get my problem with xorg solved. > > XFree86 worked perfectly in FC-1, and in all previous Redhat distributions > on this laptop with 16bpp x 1024 x 480, > but I've only been able to get xorg to work in 8bpp. > > When X is run with DefaultDepth 16 I get a large black oval on the screen > which gradually changes to a blank white screen. > There is no X error listed, > and I am able to get to a console terminal with Ctrl-Alt-F1. > > Any suggestions or advice gratefully received. > > I have filed an xorg bugzilla, > but I've seen no evidence it has ever been looked at. > (I tried also to file one with redhat bugzilla > but for some reason my application failed (3 times). > I was told I would get confirmation email but it never arrived.) If you file a bug report in X.Org bugzilla, which is always very strongly recommended when having X problems, if you also file the same bug in Red Hat bugzilla for us to track the issue, please be sure to paste the X.Org bug URL into the Red Hat bugzilla, so we can track the issue in the X.Org bugzilla. > but I've seen no evidence it has ever been looked at. If someone encounters a bug in the X.Org software, the they should always file a bug report in X.Org bugzilla. This ensures that the issue is easily visible to the largest number of X developers out there, which in turn maximizes the chances of an X developer or someone else investigating, troubleshooting and/or fixing a given issue. The number of bugs that get reported is high, and a large number of them require having the identical hardware that the bug reporter has, which greatly limits the number of developers who can theoretically investigate a particular issue. If a bug does in fact require physical hardware access to investigate, it probably wont be investigated until someone who has the hardware has spare time to investigate it. Since X developers are mostly volunteers, this may not happen overnight. The best thing an end user having a problem can do is to file a bug report to developers in the best location that will potentially reach the most number of developers or people who could theoretically confirm the problem, troubleshoot it and/or fix it. After that, all you can really do is wait until hopefully someone out there who is a volunteer developer, decides to investigate the issue and hopefully fix it. We all want the bugs that we report to any upstream project to be acknowledged and confirmed right away, and then to be investigated and fixed as soon as possible. That is the ideal scenario for all of us using OSS software. Reality seems to dictate that in order for this to ever occur for any software project, the number of developers (volunteer or paid) must increase until bugs can get fixed at the rate they're reported. In the case of the X server, this is complicated by lack of access to hardware and/or hardware documentation, thus limiting what can be done. Short summary: The best you can do, is report a bug to the people who write the software, and provide as much details and information to reproduce as possible, attaching any log files, config files, and other information that might be useful. If you can provide other debugging information, such as stack traces, or other bits that may also speed up response times. Then, all one can do is sit back and wait. It might be a day/week/month or it might never get looked at. There are no guarantees unfortunately. will also need to have hardware vendors ship them hardwa From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 13:14:59 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:14:59 -0400 Subject: Disk performance - Dell Precision M50 Message-ID: I've been working with Fedora Core 3 - Test 2 on a Dell Precision M50 with an IBM Travelstar 60gb 5400rpm hard disk. I'm having a real problem with disk performance (as measured with hdparm -tT). With the default hdparm settings (no DMA, etc) my MB/sec figures are typically around 2. With an hdparm line like this in rc.local: hdparm -d1 -u1 -c3 -X66 -m16 I can see disk reads around 5MB/sec. In single-user mode, with these same settings, I get up to 21MB/sec. The hdparm tests seem to accurately reflect the performance I'm seeing with this system. From the Fedora login screen until the X desktop loads can be up to 5 minutes or longer. This performance is vastly different from a previous installation of Gentoo on this same machine. I ran a series of drive checks over the weekend and the drive seems to be OK. Any ideas? Thanks, Glenn From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Tue Oct 12 13:41:46 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:41:46 -0300 Subject: Savage/DRI and Fedora Message-ID: <1097587922.29880.88.camel@steelgoose.com> Hello people, I don't know if this is the right place to ask it, but anyway. The default savage driver from Fedora 1, 2 and 3test 1 does not include DRI acceleration. I suppose other low-end cards does the same, as well as nvidia ones. I am aware of closed-source issues on nvidia, but why those cards who already have a open source 3d driver cannot come included? I use the dri.sourceforge.net drivers for several savage boards I have, since redhat 9, without any glitches but compiling it again at each kernel upgrade. It works like a rock. The main machine has a average uptime of 25 days (It only reboots when electricity fails), so stability is not a issue, at least for me. So why is that? I have to ask this somewhere else (like kernel-list, or xorg's list so when it is part of the right package, it will be part of fedora?) or this can be a 'plus' in fedora? -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From tibbs at math.uh.edu Tue Oct 12 13:48:51 2004 From: tibbs at math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:48:51 -0500 Subject: Savage/DRI and Fedora In-Reply-To: <1097587922.29880.88.camel@steelgoose.com> (Alexandre Strube's message of "Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:41:46 -0300") References: <1097587922.29880.88.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "AS" == Alexandre Strube writes: AS> The default savage driver from Fedora 1, 2 and 3test 1 does not AS> include DRI acceleration. I can't imagine they would until the DRM stuff for those cards makes it into the kernel. That's being held up until the security issues are fixed. Even if it goes in without them being fixed, I can't imagine that Red Hat would turn them on in that state. See yesterday's discussion on the Xorg list which covers precisely this issue (although for a different chipset): http://freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2004-October/003829.html - J< From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 14:13:04 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:13:04 -0400 Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <200410121055.i9CAtCI28688@d1o408.telia.com> References: <200410121055.i9CAtCI28688@d1o408.telia.com> Message-ID: <1097590384.4520.12.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 12:55 +0200, Perra wrote: > Cool, I assume it's independant of X running too. Can it handle local > crossover links as well? There are really three parts to NetworkManager: 1) root daemon manages network, depends on glib, hal, and dbus. Its NOT gnome specific, and was written to be independent. 2) User side daemon to shovel preferences to the root daemon and throw up dialogs when necessary (ie, asking for a WEP key when needed). Current implementation is gnome specific (ie uses GTK and GConf), but since the API with NetworkManager is dbus-based, there could be KDE or other implementations too. 3) Notification area applet, shows network devices and wireless networks and allows you to choose your connection if you like. Also gnome specific, but could be reimplemented for KDE since again, the API with NetworkManager is dbus based. For your local crossover links question, NM supports static IP addresses that you've configured with system-config-network (NetworkManager pulls config info from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files), so if you have that set up, your crossover connection between two computers should work fine. > I don't wanna disable the network interfaces during startup since I run > rc.local services that needs net access (net provider login & NTP time > sync). This might not be a problem if NetworkManager allows having > programs to be run when link goes up/down. Then I usually get my > hostname during this step and starting x before the hostname is set > isn't a very good idea... NetworkManager will not disrupt a wired/Ethernet connection that's currently active when it is started up. It will blow away any wireless connection you have up though. So, I don't think you'd have a problem here, since NM will respect the wired connection that the 'network' scripts setup when you booted. NetworkManager also attempts to preserve the hostname that exists before it activates a specific device, which was done to prevent X from crapping out when your hostname changes due to DHCP. Whenever NetworkManager deactivates a device, it sends a "DeviceNoLongerActive" signal out to the bus, and when it activates a device, it sends a "DeviceNowActive" signal. There's a daemon called NetworkManagerDispatcher that watches for these signals, and runs any script in /etc/NetworkManager.d. So you could, for example, run a VPN setup script whenever a device becomes active, and always have a VPN connection up and running no matter where you are. Dan From cra at WPI.EDU Tue Oct 12 14:18:45 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:18:45 -0400 Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <1097590384.4520.12.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <200410121055.i9CAtCI28688@d1o408.telia.com> <1097590384.4520.12.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041012141845.GC17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:13:04AM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > For your local crossover links question, NM supports static IP addresses > that you've configured with system-config-network (NetworkManager pulls > config info from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files), so if > you have that set up, your crossover connection between two computers > should work fine. Does NetworkManager support automatic link-local addressing (169.254.x.x with duplicate IP detection/prevention)? Then no preconfigured static addressing would be needed for ad-hoc connections like this. From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 14:33:20 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:33:20 -0400 Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <20041012141845.GC17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <200410121055.i9CAtCI28688@d1o408.telia.com> <1097590384.4520.12.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <20041012141845.GC17571@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1097591600.4520.21.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 10:18 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:13:04AM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > For your local crossover links question, NM supports static IP addresses > > that you've configured with system-config-network (NetworkManager pulls > > config info from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files), so if > > you have that set up, your crossover connection between two computers > > should work fine. > > Does NetworkManager support automatic link-local addressing > (169.254.x.x with duplicate IP detection/prevention)? Then no > preconfigured static addressing would be needed for ad-hoc connections > like this. Not at this time, but the big question is How Do You Detect That You Need It. The only thing that comes to mind right now is that if DHCP on that link fails, then revert to automatic addressing. That's at least how Mac OS X does it, not sure about Windows. However, the user experience in that case is "I chose this network, why can't I get to the Internet?" when DHCP fails on normal operation (ie, not using crossover cables). So, you have the specific case of using crossover cables, and then the more general case that, if DHCP fails, the user can't get on the internet at all. Partial solutions: 1) Pop up a dialog stating that NetworkManager couldn't get configuration info from the local network, and that it will now use an "automatic" address. But how many users know what that means and what the behavior of "automatic" addresses is? How do we address the user who just wants to get connectivity, but can't because DHCP failed? I mean, "automatic" configuration is great for advanced users who know what the heck they are doing, but its not "automatic" by any means for all users. 2) Create the concept of an "ad-hoc" mode (supported by either wired or wireless connections) that the user would have to _explicitly_ enable, wherein NM would give interfaces "automatic" addresses. We'd need to figure out the user experience for this, how the menu applet would work, whether the whole thing could be in ad-hoc mode, or whether one interface could be in ad-hoc mode but another in infrastructure mode, etc. 3) ??? I think (2) is a better path in the long run. Currently, OS X's Airport uses a "Create a network..." or some such menu item in the Airport menu applet which switches the card to ad-hoc mode explicitly. That's a good feature for a later release :) Dan From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Tue Oct 12 15:21:42 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:21:42 -0400 Subject: test 3 install via NFS Message-ID: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> I've downloaded all 4 iso images, checked md5sums. Exported dir where the iso images are located perms 644 on the iso's root ownership. I can mount the directory, but install claims that the directory doesn't appear to contain a Fedora tree. I've done this before, FC1 FC3t2. Is this a new bug? From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 12 15:28:12 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:28:12 +0200 Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <1097528428.29490.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <20041011185635.18800.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> <1097528428.29490.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097592927.2689.2.camel@kyrre> Sounds nice! So i am finaly rid of the troubles of having two ip adresses on one LAN (ethernet+wlan)? *looking forward to it* Dbus is really one of the best ideas in Linux for a while. It can finally make ui and hw play ball. Just wonder: if i and my laptop are in a network which has a wlan, and i connect the ethernet-cable: will it bond wlan and ethernet together, switch to ethernet (change the routing tables?) or what will it do? man, 11.10.2004 kl. 23.00 skrev Dan Williams: > Or, you could use NetworkManager. Which has a chunk of UI integration > in the form of a wireless applet in your notification area on either the > GNOME or KDE panel, and allows network device control (and access point > switching) from that applet. Packages are in rawhide, but I don't > recommend using them today. We're going to make a much-improved release > probably tomorrow, and then updated packages will go into rawhide. > > NetworkManager is the combination of a system daemon and a user-side > daemon to automatically manage your network devices, attempting to keep > a network connection up and running. If you're at your desk with a > cable plugged in, and unplug that cable, NM will attempt to connect to a > wireless network you've selected previously, and when you plug back in > (after the meeting, or after the park, whatever) it will switch back to > the wired connection. > > Its basically netplugd/ifplugd/waproamd with a nice user-interface and a > dbus API so people can write cool applications that know about and alter > the network's state. > > Dan > > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 11:56 -0700, Steve G wrote: > > >Then when I attach the cable I want it to startup the network without > > >me suing to root and running "service network restart"? > > > > Actually, you can do something different to get the same effect. You can set the > > network interfaces not be started on boot. Then use the netplugd program to start > > the interfaces when the cable is plugged in and stop them when its pulled out. > > You need to do a little configuring, but it should automagically start and stop > > interfaces for you. > > > > -Steve Grubb > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 12 15:28:14 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:28:14 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> Just something that came into my mind when hearing about "hiddenmenu": What will happen to those who are dual-booting windows and Linux? Will the default be hidden, or will they get a menu (windows/linux), and if they press a certain key (migth very well be passwd-protected if you have chosen grub-password - so that users can't start an older insecure kernel), the whole menu with all the kernels shows up. Kyrre tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 14.32 skrev ne...: > On Oct 12, 2004 at 04:55, Ricardo Veguilla in a soothing rage wrote: > > >On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 17:34 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 05:36:05PM -0400, ne... wrote: > >> > On Oct 10, 2004 at 11:21, Scott Talbot in a soothing rage wrote: > >> > > >> > >seems to me that those who don't want the kernel defaulted, probably > >> > >wouldn't want it downloaded either and could, therefore, make use of the > >> > >(yum) --exclude=kernel option or up2date's packages to skip feature. > >> > >That way we each get what we want. > >> > In my case you are totally wrong. I want the kernel dl'd, installed > >> > but not defaulted to. When I reboot and determine that I like the > >> > kernel, I can make the necessary adjustments to grub myself. > >> > >> Then I suspect you are in a group that should be watching > >> the grub directive: > >> > >> hiddenmenu > You suspect right. I have commented this out after nearly been > bitten by it. > > >> I have mixed opinions about which kernel should boot (new and unknown > >> or known). I do have an opinion that the menu should not be hidden. > >> > >> A hidden menu makes the presence of a new kernel 'invisible'. > >> This has impact in that "users" will not see that there > >> is a new or older safety net kernel. > >> > >> They will also not see a long list of disk space hogs > >> that eventually should be tidied up. > >> > >> The FC3test3 clean install default is "hiddenmenu". > > > >I think that "hiddenmenu" (and defaulting to the latest kernel) are > >appropriate for stable releases, where is reasonable for a user to assume > >that any update was previously tested and won't break his computer > > > >In case of trouble, there should be a very clear[1] > >"press X for advanced/recovery/failsafe options" (show menu) > > > > > >[1] I don't know how clear this is, ATM. > It is reasonably clear. However, if like me, you have changed the > default countdown in grub to something small, you may have to reboot > a couple of times to read the stuff, hit the key to show the > menu and choose the kernel you want. > > N.Emile... > -- > Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) > Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 > What did Mickey Mouse get for Christmas? > > A Dan Quayle watch. > > -- heard from a Mike Dukakis field worker > 08:29:19 up 106 days, 1:44, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From jerone at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 15:36:08 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:36:08 -0500 Subject: How to Record A DVD? In-Reply-To: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a004101208365f5ed48e@mail.gmail.com> You have to specially format DVD+R before using them. Do a google search to figure out how to do it under Linux. If you don't want to go through this process every time then just by DVD-R and you don't have to go through this. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:29:42 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Using this string > > [root at bobcp4 rlc]# cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc FC3-test3-x86_64-DVD.iso > > I get this error from cdrecord: > > FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB > cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. > cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. > > This is what I'm using: > > Vendor_info : 'SONY ' > Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' > Revision : '1.0d' > Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. > > And the media is TDK DVD+R. > > How do I fix this? > > I did use 'growisofs' to write the DVD with apparent success. > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 15:43:23 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:43:23 -0400 Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <1097592927.2689.2.camel@kyrre> References: <20041011185635.18800.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> <1097528428.29490.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097592927.2689.2.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1097595803.4520.27.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:28 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Just wonder: if i and my laptop are in a network which has a wlan, and i > connect the ethernet-cable: will it bond wlan and ethernet together, > switch to ethernet (change the routing tables?) or what will it do? By design, NetworkManager will keep only *ONE* connection/interface up at any time. It prefers ethernet to wireless, so when you are plug in, it deactivates the wireless card and activates the ethernet. When you unplug, it deactivates the ethernet and activates the wireless card. So, best case scenario is that you unplug, and 10s later you are connected to a wireless network and can browse the web, then you go back and plug in and 10s later you can browse the web again, all without _any_ manual intervention. Or, you could have a VPN connection brought up each time you switch locations, etc. You get the picture :) NetworkManager is mostly for the laptop use-case where people are switching between locations/networks with some frequency. If you want to have two connections up at the same time, NetworkManager is not for you (yet). Dan From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 12 16:26:01 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: On Oct 12, 2004 at 17:28, Kyrre Ness Sjobak in a soothing rage wrote: >Just something that came into my mind when hearing about "hiddenmenu": >What will happen to those who are dual-booting windows and Linux? Will >the default be hidden, or will they get a menu (windows/linux), and if >they press a certain key (migth very well be passwd-protected if you >have chosen grub-password - so that users can't start an older insecure >kernel), the whole menu with all the kernels shows up. >From my what I can recall, you get the option to press the key within an unknown-by-me timeframe and if this is done, the regular grub menu is presented. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Experience is the worst teacher. It always gives the test first and the instruction afterward. 12:23:09 up 106 days, 5:37, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From thomasz at hostmaster.org Tue Oct 12 16:43:25 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:43:25 +0200 Subject: gam_server at 99% In-Reply-To: <20041005223537.GL29015@redhat.com> References: <1097014763.9552.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041005223537.GL29015@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097599405.3662.51.camel@hostmaster.org> Hi, I have just again experienced this problem with gamin-0.0.14-1 On Die, 2004-10-05 at 18:35 -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: > if you have gamin 0.0.14 try to kill -USR2 7497 and provide part of > the log saved in /tmp . Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.local called at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.local unchanged 1094672073 0 : 1094672073 0 Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.recently-used called at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.recently-used unchanged 1095423296 0 : 1095423296 0 Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.local called at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.local unchanged 1094672073 0 : 1094672073 0 Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.recently-used called at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.recently-used unchanged 1095423296 0 : 1095423296 0 Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.local called at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.local unchanged 1094672073 0 : 1094672073 0 Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.recently-used called at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.recently-used unchanged 1095423296 0 : 1095423296 0 > If you can gdb attach and provide an even finer > information that would be appreciated. What information would you like to see from gdb? Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key History has shown that the people who make history do not learn from it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From veillard at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 16:49:17 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:49:17 -0400 Subject: gam_server at 99% In-Reply-To: <1097599405.3662.51.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1097014763.9552.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041005223537.GL29015@redhat.com> <1097599405.3662.51.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041012164917.GI29534@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 06:43:25PM +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > Hi, > > I have just again experienced this problem with gamin-0.0.14-1 > > On Die, 2004-10-05 at 18:35 -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > if you have gamin 0.0.14 try to kill -USR2 7497 and provide part of > > the log saved in /tmp . > > Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.local called > at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 > Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.local unchanged > 1094672073 0 : 1094672073 0 > Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.recently-used called > at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 > Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.recently-used unchanged > 1095423296 0 : 1095423296 0 > Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.local called > at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 > Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.local unchanged > 1094672073 0 : 1094672073 0 > Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.recently-used called > at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 > Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.recently-used unchanged > 1095423296 0 : 1095423296 0 > Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.local called > at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 > Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.local unchanged > 1094672073 0 : 1094672073 0 > Poll: poll_file for /home/thomasz/.recently-used called > at 1097577895 delta 0 : 0 > Poll: poll_file /home/thomasz/.recently-used unchanged > 1095423296 0 : 1095423296 0 > > > If you can gdb attach and provide an even finer > > information that would be appreciated. > > What information would you like to see from gdb? Basically: is there a loop in tree data ? That's the only sane explanation I can get to that behaviour... Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From tioat at adelphia.net Tue Oct 12 17:09:56 2004 From: tioat at adelphia.net (tioat) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:09:56 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> Message-ID: <20041012170956.GA3117@local.zero> Justin Conover wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:34:42 -0400, tioat wrote: > > Justin Conover wrote: > > > > > Here is my d/l today, I've installed them and everything is working fine: > > > > How many discs did you actually need to complete the install? > > Depends on what you install, you could do a "minimum w/ xfs" and you > need disc 1 & 4, Standard I believe needs first 3, 4 if you use xfs. Seems like, no matter how soon you upgrade, you end up downloading most of the files again because they already have updates. I went ahead and got all five disks; it would really suck to *almost* finish the install and then get prompted for a disk you don't have. ;) From vadim at overture.com Tue Oct 12 17:16:52 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:16:52 -0700 Subject: How to Record A DVD? In-Reply-To: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <1097601412.3085.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dome DVD writes only use DVD-R/DVD-RW (note the minus), others (like mine) use only DVD+R/DVD+RW media. Maybe that's the problem? -V On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 03:29, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Using this string > > [root at bobcp4 rlc]# cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc FC3-test3-x86_64-DVD.iso > > I get this error from cdrecord: > > FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB > cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. > cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. > > > This is what I'm using: > > Vendor_info : 'SONY ' > Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' > Revision : '1.0d' > Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. > > And the media is TDK DVD+R. > > How do I fix this? > > I did use 'growisofs' to write the DVD with apparent success. > > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From maestronn at wowway.com Tue Oct 12 17:35:05 2004 From: maestronn at wowway.com (Demond James) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:35:05 -0400 Subject: test 3 install via NFS In-Reply-To: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <416C15C9.20309@wowway.com> Terry Polzin wrote: >I've downloaded all 4 iso images, checked md5sums. Exported dir where the iso >images are located perms 644 on the iso's root ownership. I can mount the >directory, but install claims that the directory doesn't appear to contain a >Fedora tree. > >I've done this before, FC1 FC3t2. Is this a new bug? > > > check the permissions on the image files From maestronn at wowway.com Tue Oct 12 17:40:41 2004 From: maestronn at wowway.com (Demond James) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:40:41 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <416C1719.2010809@wowway.com> Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >Just something that came into my mind when hearing about "hiddenmenu": >What will happen to those who are dual-booting windows and Linux? Will >the default be hidden, or will they get a menu (windows/linux), and if >they press a certain key (migth very well be passwd-protected if you >have chosen grub-password - so that users can't start an older insecure >kernel), the whole menu with all the kernels shows up. > >Kyrre > > > You get the option to press any key within a timeframe which you can specify in grub.conf to display the menu. From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Tue Oct 12 17:43:29 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:43:29 -0400 Subject: test 3 install via NFS In-Reply-To: <416C15C9.20309@wowway.com> References: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <416C15C9.20309@wowway.com> Message-ID: <200410121343.29422.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Tuesday 12 October 2004 13:35, Demond James wrote: > Terry Polzin wrote: > >I've downloaded all 4 iso images, checked md5sums. Exported dir where the > > iso images are located perms 644 on the iso's root ownership. I can > > mount the directory, but install claims that the directory doesn't appear > > to contain a Fedora tree. > > > >I've done this before, FC1 FC3t2. Is this a new bug? > > check the permissions on the image files perms on the images are 644 as I stated earlier. From royab at bc.edu Tue Oct 12 18:04:42 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:04:42 -0400 Subject: Network Manager Message-ID: <416C1CBA.4030600@bc.edu> Hello: What exactly is Network Manager supposed to do ? I started NM as a service from system-config-services, it is running. However, the wireless applet on gnome-panel shows no networks and all options are grayed out (on right click). And it says that there are no network devices, which is wrong, since I am using an integrated WIFI card which is working. Is there an alternate user interface to access the Network Manager ? Is it because pcmcia, network is loaded before the NM is loaded ? Does NM have the ability to pick up a wireless network in a location (that has many wireless networks) based on what the user chose the last time around ? I know that Windows does this even for non-broadcast essid networks, correctly choosing my non-broadcast ssid home network over my neighbours' broadcast members after the first time I choose it over the others. This functionality would be very nice for my linux laptop. Is it just me who has problems with configuring wireless cards in linux ? Are there other users with similar issues ? Thanks Amitabha From jerone at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 18:08:01 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:08:01 -0500 Subject: How to Record A DVD? In-Reply-To: <1097601412.3085.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097601412.3085.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9f50a7a004101211083b617ba8@mail.gmail.com> Yes, but with DVD+R & DVD+RW you have to format before you can use cdrecord to write to it. Plain & simple fact. With DVD-R you don't need to do this, it's just like using a CDR. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:16:52 -0700, Vadim wrote: > Dome DVD writes only use DVD-R/DVD-RW (note the minus), others (like > mine) use only DVD+R/DVD+RW media. Maybe that's the problem? > -V > > > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 03:29, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > Using this string > > > > [root at bobcp4 rlc]# cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc FC3-test3-x86_64-DVD.iso > > > > I get this error from cdrecord: > > > > FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB > > cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. > > cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. > > > > > > This is what I'm using: > > > > Vendor_info : 'SONY ' > > Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' > > Revision : '1.0d' > > Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. > > > > And the media is TDK DVD+R. > > > > How do I fix this? > > > > I did use 'growisofs' to write the DVD with apparent success. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob Cochran > > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From nbc at cisco.com Tue Oct 12 18:10:02 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:10:02 -0400 Subject: Getting started questions... Message-ID: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> I've been working with Fedora Core 1 and 2 for some time. This morning I downloaded and installed Core 3-test 3. A couple of questions - please point me at the correct documentation if necessary - I've been looking around but without success so far. 1) I could not find apt-get/synaptic for FC3. I tried installing the rpm's I used on FC2. When I mark the upgrade files, it tells me it wants to remove 100+ packages. Is there an apt-get and/or synaptic for FC3 at this point? What should the config file look like? 2) The RHN update was telling me there were 250+ upgrades available, but when I tried to install them, they all complained of invalid signatures. What should I be using as a config file for up2date (in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources)? 3) I also tried 'yum update' and it just crashed - again, what should the config file for yum look like? 4) I have also asked this on the evolution mailing list - can anyone tell me how to a) import old 'local' mailboxes from Evolution 1.4 into Evolution 2.x - I saved my /home/nbc/evolution folder which has the old mailboxes in it. b) import my contact information from Evolution 1.4 to 2.x Thanks in advance, nbc NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) PHONE: 703-484-1316 DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com ************************************************************* * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * * * * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * ************************************************************* From vadim at overture.com Tue Oct 12 18:11:16 2004 From: vadim at overture.com (Vadim) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:11:16 -0700 Subject: How to Record A DVD? In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a004101211083b617ba8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097601412.3085.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9f50a7a004101211083b617ba8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097604676.3085.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I never have to manually pre-format DVD+ media. Maybe Gnome automatically does it for me. I use the gnome GUI for burning media. -V On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 11:08, Jerone Young wrote: > Yes, but with DVD+R & DVD+RW you have to format before you can use > cdrecord to write to it. Plain & simple fact. With DVD-R you don't > need to do this, it's just like using a CDR. > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:16:52 -0700, Vadim wrote: > > Dome DVD writes only use DVD-R/DVD-RW (note the minus), others (like > > mine) use only DVD+R/DVD+RW media. Maybe that's the problem? > > -V > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 03:29, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > Using this string > > > > > > [root at bobcp4 rlc]# cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc FC3-test3-x86_64-DVD.iso > > > > > > I get this error from cdrecord: > > > > > > FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB > > > cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. > > > cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. > > > > > > > > > This is what I'm using: > > > > > > Vendor_info : 'SONY ' > > > Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' > > > Revision : '1.0d' > > > Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. > > > > > > And the media is TDK DVD+R. > > > > > > How do I fix this? > > > > > > I did use 'growisofs' to write the DVD with apparent success. > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Bob Cochran > > > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 18:40:52 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:40:52 -0400 Subject: How to Record A DVD? In-Reply-To: <1097604676.3085.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097601412.3085.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9f50a7a004101211083b617ba8@mail.gmail.com> <1097604676.3085.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041012184052.GB12915@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:11:16AM -0700, Vadim wrote: > I never have to manually pre-format DVD+ media. Maybe Gnome > automatically does it for me. I use the gnome GUI for burning media. Newer versions of growisofs are smart 8) From michal at harddata.com Tue Oct 12 18:43:22 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:43:22 -0600 Subject: question about rawhide mozilla packaging on x86_64 Message-ID: <20041012124322.B8345@mail.harddata.com> The current set of "rawhide" for x86_64 includes mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm mozilla-nss-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm but these two cannot be installed and/or updated without 'mozilla-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm' which is missing (earlier versions were present but vanished a while ago). I know that I can just add and install that from i386 but it seems that all three should be either absent or present together in a consistent set. Do I miss something? Michal From david at fubar.dk Tue Oct 12 19:00:03 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:00:03 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097607604.7985.25.camel@davidz> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 18:47 -0700, Anony Mous wrote: > Hi all: > > I'm running a clean install of the development tree > from 10/11/04. > > So I plug in a USB thumb drive, and an icon appears on > my desktop. Cool. > > When I try to copy anything to it, i get: > > "Error while copying to "/media/usbdisk". > You do not have permissions to write to this folder." > > >From the command line, as root, the same thing > happens. > I've filed a bug about this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135442 One workaround is to remove the fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t option in /etc/fstab, but right now you need to do this on every insert until the bug is resolved. Thanks, David From david at fubar.dk Tue Oct 12 19:02:05 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:02:05 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <20041012113323.GA18766@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> <1097548061.3674.15.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012113323.GA18766@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097607726.7985.28.camel@davidz> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 07:33 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:27:41PM -0700, Scott Talbot wrote: > > assuming that you have not touched anything, my fstab: > > > > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat noauto,user,exec,managed,noatime,sync > > 0 0 > > It should be generating "console" now I thought ? > It will be using "console" by tomorrows upload or perhaps the day after tomorrow. This is bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133941 for those who follow that one. Cheers, David From jerone at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 19:00:49 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:00:49 -0500 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <1097607604.7985.25.camel@davidz> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> <1097607604.7985.25.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <9f50a7a0041012120059b11281@mail.gmail.com> You know this is why SELiux needs to be off by default. It is just a headache for average users that is not needed. For those who want SELinux (myself being one) we know how to cut it one. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:00:03 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 18:47 -0700, Anony Mous wrote: > > Hi all: > > > > I'm running a clean install of the development tree > > from 10/11/04. > > > > So I plug in a USB thumb drive, and an icon appears on > > my desktop. Cool. > > > > When I try to copy anything to it, i get: > > > > "Error while copying to "/media/usbdisk". > > You do not have permissions to write to this folder." > > > > >From the command line, as root, the same thing > > happens. > > > > I've filed a bug about this > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135442 > > One workaround is to remove the fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t > option in /etc/fstab, but right now you need to do this on every insert > until the bug is resolved. > > Thanks, > David > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mpleite at ppl-ti.com Tue Oct 12 19:21:57 2004 From: mpleite at ppl-ti.com (Miguel Pereira Leite) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:21:57 +0100 Subject: Getting started questions... In-Reply-To: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <1097608917.3016.35.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Hi there! 1st: Apt. You can get apt from ayo.freshrpms.net. There is a version, devel, that works with F3tx. Even as repos configured. just go to /etc/apt/sources.list, and comment all but: # Fedora Linux Development rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/development/i386 core rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/1/i386 freshrpms rpm-src http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/development/i386 core rpm-src http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/1/i386 freshrpms 2nd: i did not see synaptic for FC3tx arround yet... 3rd: My instalation of Evolution worked fine... migrated all data withount any probs.. i use IMAP.. :) the best way to keep contacts is to sell all as vcard ( select all at the same time) and send a mail to your self.. it worked for me. some times, don't know why, it only send one vcard. be carefull. But i'm not an evo expert.. mpleite Ter, 2004-10-12 ?s 14:10 -0400, Neil B. Cohen escreveu: > I've been working with Fedora Core 1 and 2 for some time. This morning I > downloaded and installed Core 3-test 3. A couple of questions - please > point me at the correct documentation if necessary - I've been looking > around but without success so far. > > 1) I could not find apt-get/synaptic for FC3. I tried installing the > rpm's I used on FC2. When I mark the upgrade files, it tells me it wants > to remove 100+ packages. Is there an apt-get and/or synaptic for FC3 at > this point? What should the config file look like? > > 2) The RHN update was telling me there were 250+ upgrades available, but > when I tried to install them, they all complained of invalid signatures. > What should I be using as a config file for up2date > (in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources)? > > 3) I also tried 'yum update' and it just crashed - again, what should > the config file for yum look like? > > 4) I have also asked this on the evolution mailing list - can anyone > tell me how to > a) import old 'local' mailboxes from Evolution 1.4 into Evolution > 2.x - I saved my /home/nbc/evolution folder which has the old mailboxes > in it. > > b) import my contact information from Evolution 1.4 to 2.x > > Thanks in advance, > > nbc > > NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) > PHONE: 703-484-1316 > DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com > ************************************************************* > * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * > * * > * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * > ************************************************************* > > -- Miguel Pereira Leite Proen?a & Pereira Leite - Tecnologias de Informa??o, Lda -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta ? uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente URL: From jeremy.rosengren at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 19:29:34 2004 From: jeremy.rosengren at gmail.com (Jeremy Rosengren) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:29:34 -0500 Subject: Getting started questions... In-Reply-To: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:10:02 -0400, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > 1) I could not find apt-get/synaptic for FC3. I tried installing the > rpm's I used on FC2. When I mark the upgrade files, it tells me it wants > to remove 100+ packages. Is there an apt-get and/or synaptic for FC3 at > this point? What should the config file look like? apt-get is not included in the distribution at this point because it does not yet use the common metadata format that up2date and yum use. Therefore, apt packages are maintained by the third-party repositories (freshrpms, dag, atrpms, etc.) I don't ever visit fedora.us, so I don't know if it's there too or not. I'm sure this applies to the other apt packages, but I've had decent success using the FC2 apt package from freshrpms. The /etc/apt/sources.list file included with that package has an entry for updating to rawhide. > 2) The RHN update was telling me there were 250+ upgrades available, but > when I tried to install them, they all complained of invalid signatures. > What should I be using as a config file for up2date > (in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources)? Turn GPG key checking off in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date during development. > 3) I also tried 'yum update' and it just crashed - again, what should > the config file for yum look like? I just installed FC3 test3 on a machine last night and the default yum configuration worked fine for me. -- jeremy From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 19:33:02 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:33:02 -0700 Subject: Halt or Poweroff not powering off box. In-Reply-To: <85e4e9640410091442bcb3234@mail.gmail.com> References: <85e4e9640410091442bcb3234@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041012193302.GC14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:42:18PM -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > > The halt and poweroff only halt my system. But don't turn it off. > I've tried booting with acpi=on apm=off and reversed it and no luck. Another change to look for is how poweroff breaks wakeup on interrupt between FC2 and FC3test3. I miss being able to "poweroff" my test box then send a wakeup packet to have it boot. I suspect the change is in the same general set of code as the original question. -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 19:35:00 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:35:00 -0400 Subject: Network Manager In-Reply-To: <416C1CBA.4030600@bc.edu> References: <416C1CBA.4030600@bc.edu> Message-ID: <1097609700.4520.34.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:04 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Hello: > > What exactly is Network Manager supposed to do ? I started NM as a > service from system-config-services, > it is running. However, the wireless applet on gnome-panel shows no > networks and all options are grayed out (on right click). > And it says that there are no network devices, which is wrong, since I > am using an integrated WIFI card which is working. > Is there an alternate user interface to access the Network Manager ? I would suggest upgrading to the latest NetworkManager in Rawhide, NetworkManager-0.2-4. This is much improved, and the applet is a notification icon now rather than an actual panel applet. To access the UI of NetworkManager, you have to run a user-side daemon called "NetworkManagerInfo". This should be added to your session, or you can start it up from a terminal. This daemon controls the life of the panel applet, and also feeds user preferences to NetworkManager. So it should be like this: 1) NetworkManager service gets started 2) NetworkManagerInfo gets started at login-time (must be started after NetworkManager, otherwise it exits by design) 3) NMI will automatically add the applet to your panel > Does NM have the ability to pick up a wireless network in a location > (that has many wireless networks) based on what the user > chose the last time around ? I know that Windows does this even for > non-broadcast essid networks, correctly choosing my non-broadcast ssid home > network over my neighbours' broadcast members after the first time I > choose it over the others. This functionality would be very nice > for my linux laptop. NetworkManager currently does not work with non-broadcasting APs. This will get fixed soon. In any case, NetworkManager will attempt to connect to any access point you have previously chosen from the panel applet's menu, and it will pick the last one you chose from that menu, even across reboots (that info is stored in GConf). Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 19:36:47 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:36:47 -0400 Subject: Network Manager In-Reply-To: <1097609700.4520.34.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <416C1CBA.4030600@bc.edu> <1097609700.4520.34.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097609807.4520.36.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Quick note, make sure you install NetworkManager-gnome as well, since that's got the GNOME UI bits. NetworkManager itself is non-DE specific, and the gnome UI bits are included in that separate RPM. Dan On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 15:35 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:04 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > Hello: > > > > What exactly is Network Manager supposed to do ? I started NM as a > > service from system-config-services, > > it is running. However, the wireless applet on gnome-panel shows no > > networks and all options are grayed out (on right click). > > And it says that there are no network devices, which is wrong, since I > > am using an integrated WIFI card which is working. > > Is there an alternate user interface to access the Network Manager ? > > I would suggest upgrading to the latest NetworkManager in Rawhide, > NetworkManager-0.2-4. This is much improved, and the applet is a > notification icon now rather than an actual panel applet. > > To access the UI of NetworkManager, you have to run a user-side daemon > called "NetworkManagerInfo". This should be added to your session, or > you can start it up from a terminal. This daemon controls the life of > the panel applet, and also feeds user preferences to NetworkManager. > > So it should be like this: > 1) NetworkManager service gets started > 2) NetworkManagerInfo gets started at login-time (must be started after > NetworkManager, otherwise it exits by design) > 3) NMI will automatically add the applet to your panel > > > Does NM have the ability to pick up a wireless network in a location > > (that has many wireless networks) based on what the user > > chose the last time around ? I know that Windows does this even for > > non-broadcast essid networks, correctly choosing my non-broadcast ssid home > > network over my neighbours' broadcast members after the first time I > > choose it over the others. This functionality would be very nice > > for my linux laptop. > > NetworkManager currently does not work with non-broadcasting APs. This > will get fixed soon. In any case, NetworkManager will attempt to > connect to any access point you have previously chosen from the panel > applet's menu, and it will pick the last one you chose from that menu, > even across reboots (that info is stored in GConf). > > Dan > From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 19:38:01 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:38:01 -0400 Subject: Halt or Poweroff not powering off box. In-Reply-To: <20041012193302.GC14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <85e4e9640410091442bcb3234@mail.gmail.com> <20041012193302.GC14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <20041012193801.GA21034@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 12:33:02PM -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:42:18PM -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > > The halt and poweroff only halt my system. But don't turn it off. > > I've tried booting with acpi=on apm=off and reversed it and no luck. > > Another change to look for is how poweroff breaks wakeup on interrupt > between FC2 and FC3test3. > > I miss being able to "poweroff" my test box then send > a wakeup packet to have it boot. > > I suspect the change is in the same general set of code > as the original question. Very unlikely indeed. What network chip - network code changes are by far more likely to be involved here I think From dmalcolm at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 19:43:30 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:43:30 -0400 Subject: Can't Add Contacts In Evolution In-Reply-To: <1097323571.3568.8.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097292860.3788.2.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097306735.4441.11.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097323571.3568.8.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <1097610210.25794.5.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 08:06 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I'll check further, thanks. I'm using the x86_64 arch. There was a problem with this feature on x86_64, please bugzilla this. I believe evolution-data-server-1.0.2 will fix it, when it lands in Rawhide... Dave Malcolm > > Bob > > On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:25 -0700, Scott Talbot wrote: > > > Works for me! I am owner of ~/.evolution with perms = 775 Same with all > > directories and the actual contacts database perms = 664 > > > > HTH > > > > Scott > > > From nbc at cisco.com Tue Oct 12 19:44:15 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:44:15 -0400 Subject: Getting started questions... In-Reply-To: References: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <1097610255.9740.6.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Hi, I've turned off the GPG for up2date - that should take care of that problem - thanks very much. Could you send me a copy of your up2date 'sources' file? I was trying some experiments with it, and I made the mistake of not saving the original file - now I'm not sure what the original config was.... And one last thing - is 'rawhide' the name for the test version of Fedora? I seem to remember that being the case with FC1 - but I didn't realize they kept the same name for other test versions (unless I'm remembering that incorrectly...) Very much obliged, nbc On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:29 -0500, Jeremy Rosengren wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:10:02 -0400, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > > 1) I could not find apt-get/synaptic for FC3. I tried installing the > > rpm's I used on FC2. When I mark the upgrade files, it tells me it wants > > to remove 100+ packages. Is there an apt-get and/or synaptic for FC3 at > > this point? What should the config file look like? > > apt-get is not included in the distribution at this point because it > does not yet use the common metadata format that up2date and yum use. > Therefore, apt packages are maintained by the third-party repositories > (freshrpms, dag, atrpms, etc.) I don't ever visit fedora.us, so I > don't know if it's there too or not. > > I'm sure this applies to the other apt packages, but I've had decent > success using the FC2 apt package from freshrpms. The > /etc/apt/sources.list file included with that package has an entry for > updating to rawhide. > > > 2) The RHN update was telling me there were 250+ upgrades available, but > > when I tried to install them, they all complained of invalid signatures. > > What should I be using as a config file for up2date > > (in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources)? > > Turn GPG key checking off in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date during development. > > > 3) I also tried 'yum update' and it just crashed - again, what should > > the config file for yum look like? > > I just installed FC3 test3 on a machine last night and the default yum > configuration worked fine for me. > > -- jeremy > From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 19:53:46 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:53:46 -0400 Subject: Getting started questions... In-Reply-To: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> References: <1097604602.13674.13.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041012125315006a75@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:10:02 -0400, Neil B. Cohen wrote: > 3) I also tried 'yum update' and it just crashed - again, what should > the config file for yum look like? Just crashed? Or just errored out? There are a number of reason why yum might not finish as you would expect, but they aren't necessarily "crashes." Without more descriptive information I can't tell you if what you are seeing is an unreported problem or a reported problem or or just poor configuration. What should the yum.conf file look like for you is not something that can be easily answered. The default configured server might not be the best choice for you, due to your location or the server's high load at time. You might find it better to choose a mirror from the mirror list in the test3 annoucement text and reconfigure yum.conf accordingly. -jef From nbc at cisco.com Tue Oct 12 19:54:55 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:54:55 -0400 Subject: Getting started questions... Message-ID: <1097610895.12737.1.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> Apologies!! I did not mean for my last message to go to the list. It was supposed to have been sent to just the one person who had replied to me... Sorry about that... nbc From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Tue Oct 12 19:55:28 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:55:28 -0400 Subject: test 3 install via NFS -- RESOLVED In-Reply-To: <200410121343.29422.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <416C15C9.20309@wowway.com> <200410121343.29422.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <200410121555.29136.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Tuesday 12 October 2004 13:43, Terry Polzin wrote: > On Tuesday 12 October 2004 13:35, Demond James wrote: > > Terry Polzin wrote: > > >I've downloaded all 4 iso images, checked md5sums. Exported dir where > > > the iso images are located perms 644 on the iso's root ownership. I > > > can mount the directory, but install claims that the directory doesn't > > > appear to contain a Fedora tree. > > > > > >I've done this before, FC1 FC3t2. Is this a new bug? > > > > check the permissions on the image files > > perms on the images are 644 as I stated earlier. DUH -- chmod 2777 on the directory helps loads! From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 19:27:41 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:27:41 -0700 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: <416C1719.2010809@wowway.com> References: <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> <416C1719.2010809@wowway.com> Message-ID: <20041012192741.GB14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 01:40:41PM -0400, Demond James wrote: > Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > >Just something that came into my mind when hearing about "hiddenmenu": > >What will happen to those who are dual-booting windows and Linux? Will > >the default be hidden, or will they get a menu (windows/linux), and if > >they press a certain key (might very well be passwd-protected if you > >have chosen grub-password - so that users can't start an older insecure > >kernel), the whole menu with all the kernels shows up. > > > >Kyrre > > > > > You get the option to press any key within a timeframe which you can > specify in grub.conf to display the menu. This is easy enough for us but is this the situation we want untrained users in. I did like the visible menu that gave me a clue that the kernel I would boot was XYZ in a list of older and newer... It is easy for me to adjust to my liking but I have almost convinced myself that hiddenmenu). Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <416C1719.2010809 at wowway.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 01:40:41PM -0400, Demond James wrote: > Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > >Just something that came into my mind when hearing about "hiddenmenu": > >What will happen to those who are dual-booting windows and Linux? Will > >the default be hidden, or will they get a menu (windows/linux), and if > >they press a certain key (might very well be passwd-protected if you > >have chosen grub-password - so that users can't start an older insecure > >kernel), the whole menu with all the kernels shows up. > > > >Kyrre > > > > > You get the option to press any key within a timeframe which you can > specify in grub.conf to display the menu. This is easy enough for us but is this the situation we want untrained users in. i.e. Default kernel does not boot the new kernel and the presence of a new kernel is not notified. N.B. The "red hat network alert notification tool" will tell users that there is a newer kernel and advise them to reboot. These instructions are not sufficient for the untrained because the reboot will not boot the new kernel. I did like the visible menu that gave me a clue that the kernel I would boot was XYZ in a list of older and newer... It is easy for me to adjust this to my liking now that I know about it. I have almost convinced myself that the current hiddenmenu line in the default /boot/grub/grub.conf file is a bug. It is easy and makes sense for a site admin to hide the menu. Perhaps the goal is to expose this option so all the FAQ's in the universe get populated with information on this. -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From P.R.Schaffner at larc.nasa.gov Tue Oct 12 20:15:15 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at larc.nasa.gov (Philip R. Schaffner) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:15:15 -0400 Subject: Getting started questions... In-Reply-To: <1097608917.3016.35.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> References: <1097608917.3016.35.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Message-ID: <1097612115.3764.27.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:21 -0500, Miguel Pereira Leite wrote: > 1st: Apt. > You can get apt from ayo.freshrpms.net. There is a version, devel, > that > works with F3tx. Even as repos configured. just go > to /etc/apt/sources.list, and comment all but: > > # Fedora Linux Development > rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/development/i386 core > rpm http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/1/i386 freshrpms > rpm-src http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/development/i386 core > rpm-src http://ayo.freshrpms.net fedora/linux/1/i386 freshrpms ................................................^............... That's going to get you the FC1 versions of freshrpms packages mixed with the development/rawhide core packages. Until packagers start to support FC3, choices seem to be roll-your-own (probably starting with FC2 SRPMS) or stick with yum. Finding apt-enabled FC3 repositories is probably also a sticky issue. Phil From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Tue Oct 12 20:43:58 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:43:58 -0400 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: <20041012192741.GB14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> <416C1719.2010809@wowway.com> <20041012192741.GB14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1097613838.4259.13.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 12:27 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > You get the option to press any key within a timeframe which you can > > specify in grub.conf to display the menu. > > This is easy enough for us but is this the situation > we want untrained users in. i.e. Default kernel does > not boot the new kernel and the presence of a new kernel > is not notified. > > N.B. The "red hat network alert notification tool" > will tell users that there is a newer kernel and > advise them to reboot. These instructions are not > sufficient for the untrained because the reboot will > not boot the new kernel. > Thats why I suggested that "hiddenmenu" plus "latest kernel becomes boots as default" was a safe choice for stable releases, which, I'm assuming, is what "less experienced user" are probably going to use. But then again, "hiddenmenu" should only be set as default (by the installer) if the user is only using fedora. If Windows and/or other OS are detected, then obviously, the menu should be visible. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 12 20:46:30 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:30 +0200 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <20041012020658.42375.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041012020658.42375.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097596543.2689.14.camel@kyrre> Can you post the contnents of /etc/fstab when it is plugged in, plus a "ls -la" in /media when it is plugged in? tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 04.06 skrev Anony Mous: > Hi again: > > OK -- after turning off selinux enforcing in the > security level control panel, it works as expected. > > Is this a bug, or a feature? As a user, I would expect > that I would have permissions to write files to a USB > thumb drive that I plugged in... > > -charlie > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 12 20:46:27 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:27 +0200 Subject: How to Record A DVD? In-Reply-To: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> References: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> Message-ID: <1097596195.2689.8.camel@kyrre> The DVD image is to large to write to a normal dvd. It is indeed a bug. tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 12.29 skrev Robert L Cochran: > Using this string > > [root at bobcp4 rlc]# cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc FC3-test3-x86_64-DVD.iso > > I get this error from cdrecord: > > FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB > cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. > cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive. > > > This is what I'm using: > > Vendor_info : 'SONY ' > Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' > Revision : '1.0d' > Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. > > And the media is TDK DVD+R. > > How do I fix this? > > I did use 'growisofs' to write the DVD with apparent success. > > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 12 20:46:28 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:28 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea1041011220646b1e5b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> <2ad7cea1041011220646b1e5b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097596435.2689.11.camel@kyrre> If you dont want to "waste" 4 cd's, just grab the iso's, put'em on disk of another Linux box, and share them over NFS. tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 07.06 skrev Jon Savage: > > How many discs did you actually need to complete the install? > I think the *minimal* install only requires disc 1, I typically need > discs 1-3 for my usual install=desktop default minus a few things > +xfce+ dev tools + selected server / sys config tools & samba. > YMMV > > -- > Bests, > Jon From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 12 20:46:31 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:31 +0200 Subject: Desktop Development Specialization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097600023.2689.73.camel@kyrre> Seems like a bad idea. Why? - Many people use both - Many people (most?) mix qt and gtk apps happily. Personally i love my gnome, but i also like kde programs such as konqueror, kompare, etc. - Many systems has users with different opinions Besides, it would be a waste of resources an split the distro in two. I am seeing a greater and greater amount of kde/gnome trolling on the lists these days. Why? Gnome/kde is getting tighther and tighther technically - mixing apps between them is absolutely no problem, and that is a Good Thing. tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 03.17 skrev joelbryan: > What if Fedora Core development was divided in two divisions, the > GNOME division and the KDE division, the releases will be available to > be GNOME-only or KDE-only releases on seperate iso's, the GNOME ISO > will specializes only on GNOME softwares and applications. There will > be a micro-managed bug fixing for GNOME-only related softwares, the > effort will be concentrating on much more focused approach than the > traditional (hybrid ISO's), same to the KDE ISO, wherein include a > KDE-only related (or specialized) softwares and applications. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 12 21:47:00 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:47:00 -0600 Subject: Config modified? Message-ID: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Guys, Excuse the ignorance, but my up2date refuses to update the "a2ps" package, claiming that its config has been modified. Running "rpm -V" gets me this: S.5....T c /usr/share/a2ps/afm/fonts.map If it's just a configuration file change, why not up2date and create an "rpmsave" or "rpmnew" file as appropriate? And how do I fix this? Thanks, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20041012184052.GB12915@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1097576982.5478.7.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> <1097601412.3085.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9f50a7a004101211083b617ba8@mail.gmail.com> <1097604676.3085.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041012184052.GB12915@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097619774.3744.6.camel@bobcp4.lingpgmr.com> I used growisofs after failing with cdrecord. No special formatting needed. It worked great on my DVD+R disc. The DVD has passed mediacheck. This is the FC3T3 DVD, not the older one with the size issue. I've also gotten some DVD-R discs just now and will experiment with those plus a different incantation for cdrecord that Paul Horwith kindly told me about. If I end up with additional good DVD's I'll simply pass them on to my friends with suitable suggestions. Bob On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:40 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:11:16AM -0700, Vadim wrote: > > I never have to manually pre-format DVD+ media. Maybe Gnome > > automatically does it for me. I use the gnome GUI for burning media. > > Newer versions of growisofs are smart 8) > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 12 22:26:30 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:26:30 -0600 Subject: Smaller /boot? Message-ID: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Hey, I've consistently noticed that stock Fedora kernels take up barely 3MB or 4MB of space in /boot, and of course the majority of users will not have more than 3-4 kernels (if that) installed. I can see projecting a necessity for 20MB or so in /boot, and as a huge stretch I can see recommending 50MB so the user never runs out of space. However, I wonder why the recommended size for /boot then is 100MB, and why Anaconda warns the user if /boot is any smaller than 80MB. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Or should I perhaps file an RFE to suggest that the recommendation and the warning level be set to smaller numbers? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From zappig at virgilio.it Tue Oct 12 22:34:46 2004 From: zappig at virgilio.it (Gabriele Zappi) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:34:46 +0200 Subject: FC3t2 and t3 installation problem due to a SATA_SIL module loading issue.. Message-ID: <1097620486.4357.4.camel@barton.virgilio.it> Hi there, I'm proudly running Fedora Core 2 and I wished to upgrade to FC3t2, and later to FC3t3. I own a computer with a SATA Raid by Silicon Image on motherboard (my computer specifications appear below). Unfortunately during boot up, my installation stops after loading SATA_SIL module. On the screen, after the dialog box "Loding SATA_SIL", some garbage characters appear (like "#@$%@$^G54AWE#" or something similar ) an nothing else... I'm able to change sceen by pressing Alt+F3 or F4 to see debug messages, but the installation won't run any longer. I kindly appreciate any kind of suggestion .. Thanks in advance. Gabolander Here are my system specs: - CPU : AMD Athlon XP Barton 2500+ (overclocked to 3200+) - MB ASUS A7N8XE-Deluxe On Board: RAID bus/Serial ATA Controller on Motherboard: SiI3112 Serial ATA Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) Silicon Image Serial ATARaid Controller [ CMD/Sil 3112/3112A ] (rev 01) Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 Ethernet Controller (rev a1) Ethernet controller: Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T (rev 13) Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce MultiMedia audio i [Via VT82C686B] (rev a2) Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) - 512 MB DDR (2 x DDR-400 PC3200 256Mb DIMM Desktop Module KINGMAX) - 60 GB HD Maxtor UDMA ATA - MAXTOR 6L060L3 - 120 GB HD Maxtor SATA - Maxtor 6Y120M0 - Sound card: On M.Board : - Video Card: GeForce FX5200 AGP 8X 128bit 128 MB (nVidia NV24 rev a1) - DVD player SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-616T - DVD/CD-Burner LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4082B - Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) - Manhattan USB 2.0 daughter board: USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 50) USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 50) USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 51) - Multimedia video controller: Hauppauge WinTV Bt878 Video/Audio Capture (rev 11) - 2 x IEEE 1394 Firewire ports on board. ___________________________ Gabolander From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 12 22:43:21 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:43:21 -0600 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097621001.3493.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 06:12 -0400, ne... wrote: > On Oct 10, 2004 at 17:30, Rodolfo J. Paiz in a soothing rage wrote: > > >the question is [...] what > >we as a community believe is the best default behavior. > > Then that is most definitely to use what is known to work, ie > the old kernel. > I see it this way: For test releases, what we want is for people to try and test the new kernel. So defaulting to it makes sense to me. For stable releases, I see three reasons for defaulting to the new kernel: 1. The old kernel is not always "what is known to work." Many times (perhaps most?) the old kernel is "what is known to have a security hole" which is why the new kernel was issued in the first place. New kernels are not issued for stable releases "just because" or with any less-than-sterling features enabled... after all, that's why it's a stable release and not a test release. *Not* defaulting to the new kernel risks leaving many thousands of less- expert (or downright clueless) users running a vulnerable system unless they find their way into a rather critical system file and edit it by hand every time. So honestly I feel leaving the old kernel active by default is, to some extent, a security risk. 2. The greater good of the greater number. I think (note, think/believe/conjecture/opine) that a MUCH larger majority of users will prefer having the new kernel updated after they've specifically asked for it not to be skipped in the update cycle. I think the users who want up2date or yum to fetch/install/configure the new kernel but *not* to make it active are in the small minority. > >I understand your preference but believe that you are in a small > >minority. I think the majority of users are "protected" enough by having > >to specifically request that the kernel be updated instead of skipped, > > > You naturally have the figures to back this up? > I apologize if the words "think" and "believe" were not clear enough, but I could have sworn they were pretty obvious. I don't have, and will bet money that you don't have, any statistics to back up my thoughts on this. But I *also* think that you are only looking at this in terms of what *you* want or prefer, based on the kind of user you are, and that you are not considering the best possible result for the Fedora users community as a whole. Feel free to disagree if you wish. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From micoots at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 22:57:08 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:57:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097596435.2689.11.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041012225708.10089.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, --- Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > If you dont want to "waste" 4 cd's, just grab the > iso's, put'em on disk > of another Linux box, and share them over NFS. Can you install FC3T3 over NFS? I'd like to test install only the 1st CD to see if it picks up the Adaptec I2O raid controller in the server, and don't wish to "waste" the first CD writing it. Michael. > tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 07.06 skrev Jon Savage: > > > How many discs did you actually need to complete > the install? > > I think the *minimal* install only requires disc > 1, I typically need > > discs 1-3 for my usual install=desktop default > minus a few things > > +xfce+ dev tools + selected server / sys config > tools & samba. > > YMMV > > > > -- > > Bests, > > Jon > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 22:58:07 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:58:07 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041012225708.10089.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1097596435.2689.11.camel@kyrre> <20041012225708.10089.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041012225807.GA10268@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:57:08AM +1000, Michael Mansour wrote: > Can you install FC3T3 over NFS? I'd like to test > install only the 1st CD to see if it picks up the > Adaptec I2O raid controller in the server, and don't > wish to "waste" the first CD writing it. If your box has PXE you can do the whole process over the network given a dhcp server and tftp server. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 12 22:57:42 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:57:42 -0600 Subject: Config modified? In-Reply-To: <20041012220745.GF17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012220745.GF17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1097621862.3493.32.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 18:07 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 03:47:00PM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > If it's just a configuration file change, why not up2date and create an > > "rpmsave" or "rpmnew" file as appropriate? And how do I fix this? > > up2date defaults to not updating packages whose config files have > changed. You can change this in up2date-config (System Settings->Red > Hat Network Configuration). > Since when? RPM's default behavior for *years* has been to upgrade the package and then either create an rpmnew config file so you can migrate in your changes, or save your old config in an rpmsave file for the same purpose. I've never seen it flat-out *refuse* to upgrade something before. Think of it from a beginner user's point of view (which I'm not, but Fedora is not "experts-only" so we should try to be friendly to them). If up2date refuses to even get me the new package, how am I supposed to get beyond this? Go fire up my trusty command-line FTP client, go to mirror, find the file, download it, use cpio to extract the config file, diff it, *then* update the package? I liked the old behavior one hell of a lot better. I don't see this being very user-friendly at all, but rather more of an obstacle to most users getting their packages updated. Or am I missing something? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smooge at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 23:07:10 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:07:10 -0600 Subject: Smaller /boot? In-Reply-To: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <80d7e409041012160775548a32@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:26:30 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Hey, > > Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Or should I perhaps file an > RFE to suggest that the recommendation and the warning level be set to > smaller numbers? > I know the numbers in anaconda were upped long ago for User Mode Linux when it shipped with 8. THat might be the reason. > Cheers, > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 12 23:11:58 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097621001.3493.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097621001.3493.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: On Oct 12, 2004 at 16:43, Rodolfo J. Paiz in a soothing rage wrote: >On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 06:12 -0400, ne... wrote: >> On Oct 10, 2004 at 17:30, Rodolfo J. Paiz in a soothing rage wrote: [...] >> >I understand your preference but believe that you are in a small >> >minority. I think the majority of users are "protected" enough by having >> >to specifically request that the kernel be updated instead of skipped, >> > >> You naturally have the figures to back this up? >> > >I apologize if the words "think" and "believe" were not clear enough, >but I could have sworn they were pretty obvious. I don't have, and will >bet money that you don't have, any statistics to back up my thoughts on >this. No need to apologize. I am seriously looking for figures to go with a lot of the positions held here, both for and against. Not for the sake of arguing, but to really see the concrete figures about the views people hold. >But I *also* think that you are only looking at this in terms of what >*you* want or prefer, based on the kind of user you are, and that you >are not considering the best possible result for the Fedora users >community as a whole. Without really having any demographic data to back up my position, it is hard to argue it. But likewise, the converse is true. I also feel that what may be considered the minority view also has to be heard. This leads to better decisions being made. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 The bug starts here. 18:57:13 up 106 days, 12:11, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From micoots at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 23:13:56 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:13:56 +1000 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041012225807.GA10268@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041012231356.16819.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alan, --- Alan Cox wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:57:08AM +1000, Michael > Mansour wrote: > > Can you install FC3T3 over NFS? I'd like to test > > install only the 1st CD to see if it picks up the > > Adaptec I2O raid controller in the server, and > don't > > wish to "waste" the first CD writing it. > > If your box has PXE you can do the whole process > over the network > given a dhcp server and tftp server. It's a relatively new server (4 months old) so I'd imagine it would yeah. I'll check it tonight. I haven't done PXE stuff before so if it does, is there a process to follow? I have a DHCP server and can setup a tftp server, but is there a mini HOWTO or similar around that would briefly describe the process? Thanks. Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 12 23:20:29 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:20:29 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041012231356.16819.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041012225807.GA10268@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041012231356.16819.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041012232029.GA18959@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 09:13:56AM +1000, Michael Mansour wrote: > I haven't done PXE stuff before so if it does, is > there a process to follow? I have a DHCP server and > can setup a tftp server, but is there a mini HOWTO or > similar around that would briefly describe the > process? install tftp package mount -o loop dvd.iso /somewhere make /somewhere nfs exported cp the initrd and bzImage from the images/pxe directory along with pxelinux.0 install dhcp server Add the following to the usual DHCP gunk next-server my.tftp.server.addr; filename "/pxelinux.0" PXElinux is part of syslinux and covered in the docs there, it works much like syslinux but over tftp From cra at WPI.EDU Tue Oct 12 23:21:20 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:21:20 -0400 Subject: Config modified? In-Reply-To: <1097621862.3493.32.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012220745.GF17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1097621862.3493.32.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041012232120.GG17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 04:57:42PM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Since when? RPM's default behavior for *years* has been to upgrade the > package and then either create an rpmnew config file so you can migrate > in your changes, or save your old config in an rpmsave file for the same > purpose. I've never seen it flat-out *refuse* to upgrade something > before. RPM didn't change. up2date did. > Think of it from a beginner user's point of view (which I'm not, but > Fedora is not "experts-only" so we should try to be friendly to them). > If up2date refuses to even get me the new package, how am I supposed to > get beyond this? Go fire up my trusty command-line FTP client, go to > mirror, find the file, download it, use cpio to extract the config file, > diff it, *then* update the package? It is just the default setting. The settings dialog is brought up the first time the user clicks on the pulsing red icon in the notification area. > I liked the old behavior one hell of a lot better. I don't see this > being very user-friendly at all, but rather more of an obstacle to most > users getting their packages updated. I don't like it either, but at least it can be changed. From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Tue Oct 12 23:30:13 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:30:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? Message-ID: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Just about to install test 3 even though on the selected hardware disks 2-4 plus the rescue cd fail the media check (they pass alright on another box with a SCSI cd reader) I understand this is an IDE problem with various hardware and is already has a bug report from the test 2 phase. Anyway on to the subject why is there no option to pick Mozilla given that you can pick Epifany or Firefox as your choice of web browser. I know it can be installed after the initial install using yum or up2date but why make it so dificult. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 12 23:38:36 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:38:36 -0600 Subject: Smaller /boot? In-Reply-To: <80d7e409041012160775548a32@mail.gmail.com> References: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <80d7e409041012160775548a32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097624316.3493.43.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:07 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > I know the numbers in anaconda were upped long ago for User Mode Linux > when it shipped with 8. THat might be the reason. > But is there a reason to go as far as 100MB? Or, even if 100MB is recommended, could we maybe reduce the warning size for Anaconda? There are plenty of systems who would be just fine with even 25MB as a minimum, but users get frightened when they're told that 80MB is insufficient and to please confirm that they actually do want to do something that foolish. To be constructive, I would suggest that the documentation be updated to recommend 50MB and that Anaconda modify its warning to only activate below 30MB. I can help with the docs (but don't know whom to contact or how to get involved) and I can file an RFE for Anaconda. What I would like to know is if someone knows of or can offer any reasons why my suggestions would not be a good idea. I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 12 23:40:50 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:40:50 -0600 Subject: Config modified? In-Reply-To: <20041012232120.GG17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012220745.GF17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1097621862.3493.32.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012232120.GG17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1097624450.3493.47.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 19:21 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > RPM didn't change. up2date did. > OK, that's one useful piece of information. Thanks. > > I liked the old behavior one hell of a lot better. I don't see this > > being very user-friendly at all, but rather more of an obstacle to most > > users getting their packages updated. > > I don't like it either, but at least it can be changed. > As I use Fedora, and particularly now that I'm thinking in a "test" mentality, I keep thinking about the average user, who does not have much computing knowledge. I keep thinking about the users coming to Linux from Windows, and in some cases giving up because the learning curve is too great. For the beginner and average user, is this new up2date behavior sensible? I don't think so. Does someone? Is there any other benefit to it that I don't see? If there is, is that benefit worth the cost? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 12 23:40:51 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:40:51 -0400 Subject: Smaller /boot? In-Reply-To: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097624451.26989.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Smooge has shed some possible light on the history of why, but I think it would be wise to leave it as is. At least with the DECPHQ (heh) Alpha, the 64 bit binaries were *much* larger. Given the recent need to remove the source rpms from the DVD iso for x86_64, it looks like the same may apply to that platform. And when were all ready to upgrade to 256 bit platforms... *ahem* sorry. Got a little carried away there. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 12 23:43:08 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:43:08 -0700 Subject: production usage of test releases. (was abandoning FC3-T2) In-Reply-To: <1097203194.1624.7.camel@binkley> References: <1097016889.4683.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097132852.4160.7.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1097133910.6863.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41652A11.1040409@sbcglobal.net> <1097165583.3282.38.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <2ad7cea104100716463c8d45ff@mail.gmail.com> <1097203194.1624.7.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041012234308.GA16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:39:54PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 16:46 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > > > So far, 1 got crushed on yum, so I've disabled updates service on the > > > remaining 4, I say this was a solid test release, and quite stable, > > > this was the 4th day running FC3T2, my only complain on FC2 (two) and > > I prefer *not* to enable the nightly yum update feature on test > > releases, call me crazy but I prefer to read the rawhide reports & see > > a little list traffic prior to blindly upgrading to > > whatevertheheckeatsbabiestoday(tm). The nightly update feature is neat > > for stable releases as far as workstations is concerned, dunno if I'd > > *ever* put it on a server though. > > > > As the primary author of yum I'll say this. I use the nightly update > feature only on systems where I control the repository or where I know > the people who control the repositories it uses. > > In a structured environment where you control your repositories and you > know what's being submitted to each, it's a lifesaver. I have modified the script to only fetch packages. Then in interactive mode I can install. See the man page: yum --download-only -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 12 23:46:14 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:46:14 -0600 Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097621001.3493.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097624774.3493.53.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 19:11 -0400, ne... wrote: > No need to apologize. I am seriously looking for figures to > go with a lot of the positions held here, both for and against. > Not for the sake of arguing, but to really see the concrete > figures about the views people hold. > You/we/Fedora will have to run surveys if you want that, I think. Plus, many of the users affected by a choice such as whether or not the up2date process defaults to the new kernel or not don't have the knowledge to intelligently discuss it. I would suggest setting the default to be appropriate for newer/less- knowledgeable users, and an /etc/sysconfig/kernel parameter such as has been suggested so that more-expert people can make a simple, one-time change that will activate their preferences. Seems like this would make most people happy at a very low cost and risk. What do you think? > I also feel that what may be considered the minority view also > has to be heard. This leads to better decisions being made. > Yes, of course! All opinions should be heard. At the end of the decision process, we do need to take into account all those views. But the end process needs to seek primarily the greater good of the greater number, while making choice and alternatives and change as easy as possible for the remaining minority. Again, what do you think? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 00:04:01 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:04:01 -0400 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > Just about to install test 3 even though on the > selected hardware disks 2-4 plus the rescue cd fail > the media check (they pass alright on another box with > a SCSI cd reader) I understand this is an IDE problem > with various hardware and is already has a bug report > from the test 2 phase. > > Anyway on to the subject why is there no option to > pick Mozilla given that you can pick Epifany or > Firefox as your choice of web browser. > > I know it can be installed after the initial install > using yum or up2date but why make it so dificult. > Same problem here with 2-4 and rescue CD failing the mediacheck. I used the discs to install on three different computers and only had one error regarding CD 3 and a file being corrupted. I burned another set because of the media failure and inserted the duplicate to get past that error. Ditto on the not having mozilla available for a choice through the installer. Choosing this application during initial installation should be obtainable. Besides the overwriting problem of recent days, it is worthy of at least selection. Jim -- "If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong." - Linus Torvalds From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 00:09:37 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:09:37 -0700 Subject: Halt or Poweroff not powering off box. In-Reply-To: <20041012193801.GA21034@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <85e4e9640410091442bcb3234@mail.gmail.com> <20041012193302.GC14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <20041012193801.GA21034@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041013000937.GB16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 03:38:01PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 12:33:02PM -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:42:18PM -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > > > The halt and poweroff only halt my system. But don't turn it off. > > > I've tried booting with acpi=on apm=off and reversed it and no luck. > > > > Another change to look for is how poweroff breaks wakeup on interrupt > > between FC2 and FC3test3. > > > > I miss being able to "poweroff" my test box then send > > a wakeup packet to have it boot. > > > > I suspect the change is in the same general set of code > > as the original question. > > Very unlikely indeed. What network chip - network code changes are by far > more likely to be involved here I think Well with FC2 the box would powerdown and trivial power would be available to the network card and with a correctly formed packet the card would wakeup the box (equivalent to pushing a front panel button). I guess it partly depends on the state that the system leaves the network chips and PS when the box is shut down. In this case: eth0 = Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) I suspect some of the key difference is with acpi_power_off While acpi is enabled for the BIOS on both the FC2 and FC3Test3 box only FC3test3(and2) is noisy about using it on powerdown. I think the rock I need to look under is acpi_power_off. -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 00:16:45 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:16:45 -0700 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097596435.2689.11.camel@kyrre> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> <2ad7cea1041011220646b1e5b8@mail.gmail.com> <1097596435.2689.11.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041013001645.GC16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:46:28PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 07.06 skrev Jon Savage: > > > How many discs did you actually need to complete the install?> ... > If you dont want to "waste" 4 cd's, just grab the iso's, put'em on disk > of another Linux box, and share them over NFS. I would second this. It also appears faster by a Lot over a local link. If nothing else there is no interruption to change discs. -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 00:24:01 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:24:01 -0400 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041013002401.GA5562@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 08:04:01PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Same problem here with 2-4 and rescue CD failing the mediacheck. I used > the discs to install on three different computers and only had one error > regarding CD 3 and a file being corrupted. I burned another set because > of the media failure and inserted the duplicate to get past that error. The CD's need to be burned with 150K or more of padding on the end or ide-scsi used for mediacheck. Known upstream corner case with some CD drives in 2.6.x. Alan From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 13 00:27:36 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:27:36 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041013001645.GC16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> <2ad7cea1041011220646b1e5b8@mail.gmail.com> <1097596435.2689.11.camel@kyrre> <20041013001645.GC16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1097627257.3493.59.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:16 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:46:28PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > If you dont want to "waste" 4 cd's, just grab the iso's, put'em on disk > > of another Linux box, and share them over NFS. > > I would second this. It also appears faster by a Lot > over a local link. If nothing else there is no interruption > to change discs. > I'm much happier with this as well, although I serve up the downloaded stuff via FTP rather than NFS. Lots less work, IMHO, especially for the people who've never previously needed NFS and for whom it would be just one more thing to learn and work on. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From john at mellor.dyndns.org Wed Oct 13 00:31:10 2004 From: john at mellor.dyndns.org (John Mellor) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:31:10 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097553994.24677.2.camel@binkley> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <1097553994.24677.2.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1097627470.2567.8.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 00:06, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 23:20 -0400, John Mellor wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:25, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > Fedora Core 3 test 3 is now available. > > > > Is the MD5sum correct as distributed? I just did a completely > > successful download using BitTorrent, and it says that everything was > > ok. > > > > According to the MD5 file, for the 5 disks, I should therefore see: > > > > bc4efae0c3db8f32820b5a779455d20f FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > > 09d7a1cfe6923b184987d5ecf5a82d8a FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > > 9ecbc904c654edec49666098082c3020 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > > > But instead, I see: > > > > ! 4b1c867939bcc6bfde0c2396a276d3aa FC3-test3-i386-disc1.iso > > 2e925a39a949401abd57a26f0d09a672 FC3-test3-i386-disc2.iso > > ! ef112940cfbaa9f64da52ec6e06db8ac FC3-test3-i386-disc3.iso > > ec5fbf3381cdf718c7f50362740ce784 FC3-test3-i386-disc4.iso > > ! c9e0f4dd7223b8819f1bc110b705d051 FC3-test3-i386-rescuecd.iso > > > > which looks like bad disks 1, 3 and the rescue CD. I cross-checked the > > MD5SUM file contents with 2 other mirror sites and the master site, and > > they all agree. I just restarted my torrent, and it re-checked the > > as-downloaded files and again found no fault. > > > > RedHat has published bad MD5sums before, so that may be the real > > problem. Before I go and start installing somebody's spiffy new cracked > > version, which one is really correct -- the successful download, or the > > RedHat calculation? > Statistically which do you think is more likely? That one download > failed or that red hat published the wrong md5sums that have been > verified by hundreds of mirror sites all over the world? I agree fully with you, which leads me to a very disturbing conclusion that there is a major fault in at least the latest version of BitTorrent. Having encountered some unknown error and ignored it, BitTorrent is not correctly detecting that some kind of error occurred, and is representing the incorrectly finished download as ok, and maybe much worse, is presenting this bad download for upload by other parties. That seems like such a fundamental trio of errors that I'm having some difficulty understanding why this trainwreck of a programme is being used. I certainly will not be able trust it again. Is there a workaround, maybe using an earlier version of BitTorrent? From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 13 00:57:03 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:57:03 -0400 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <20041013002401.GA5562@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> <20041013002401.GA5562@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <416C7D5F.8060306@sbcglobal.net> Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 08:04:01PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Same problem here with 2-4 and rescue CD failing the mediacheck. I used >>the discs to install on three different computers and only had one error >>regarding CD 3 and a file being corrupted. I burned another set because >>of the media failure and inserted the duplicate to get past that error. > > > The CD's need to be burned with 150K or more of padding on the end or > ide-scsi used for mediacheck. Known upstream corner case with some CD > drives in 2.6.x. > > Alan > Thanks Alan for the explanation again. I recall an earlier mention of this topic. (another list or this list) It seems that of all the CD drives that I ran a mediacheck on, all had this particular media failure. (A laptop, industrial computer and two desktops). The puzzling factor was disc 1 passing mediacheck and the others failing. The discs were all burned using nautilus-cd-burner. I tried k3b but it bombed midway through two different disk creation attempts. (buffer, use slower speed) Loading ide-scsi seems more catchall since there are so many the different ways that CDs could be burned. Jim From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 13 00:53:06 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:53:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097627470.2567.8.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <1097553994.24677.2.camel@binkley> <1097627470.2567.8.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> Message-ID: <1097628786.27525.1.camel@binkley> > I agree fully with you, which leads me to a very disturbing conclusion > that there is a major fault in at least the latest version of > BitTorrent. Having encountered some unknown error and ignored it, > BitTorrent is not correctly detecting that some kind of error occurred, > and is representing the incorrectly finished download as ok, and maybe > much worse, is presenting this bad download for upload by other parties. > > That seems like such a fundamental trio of errors that I'm having some > difficulty understanding why this trainwreck of a programme is being > used. I certainly will not be able trust it again. > > Is there a workaround, maybe using an earlier version of BitTorrent? What version of the bittorrent client are you using? I know the tracker is running just fine and others are able to download it correctly. -sv From jonathansavage at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 00:57:32 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:57:32 -0700 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <1097596543.2689.14.camel@kyrre> References: <20041012020658.42375.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com> <1097596543.2689.14.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <2ad7cea10410121757686505b1@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:30 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Can you post the contnents of /etc/fstab when it is plugged in, plus a > "ls -la" in /media when it is plugged in? (the below is on FC3 T3 w/ all applicable updates applied as of 17:53 PDT 10/12/04 Since I'm experiencing the same issue here's the output requested. BTW has anyone put this into bugzilla? My /etc/fstab: /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb /media/dvdrom auto noauto,user,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro$/dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto noauto,user,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t 0 0/dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat noauto,user,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,no$ Output of ls -la in /media: [jsavage at swlt01 media]$ ls -la total 48 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:50 . drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:02 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:03 dvdrom drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:03 floppy drwxr-xr-x 3 jsavage jsavage 16384 Dec 31 1969 usbdisk -- Bests, Jon From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 01:03:53 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:03:53 -0400 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <416C7D5F.8060306@sbcglobal.net> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> <20041013002401.GA5562@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <416C7D5F.8060306@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041013010353.GA15822@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 08:57:03PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > It seems that of all the CD drives that I ran a mediacheck on, all had > this particular media failure. (A laptop, industrial computer and two > desktops). The puzzling factor was disc 1 passing mediacheck and the > others failing. It depends on the iso size and what boundary the end lands upon From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 13 01:19:38 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:19:38 -0600 Subject: Smaller /boot? In-Reply-To: <1097624451.26989.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org>; from pri.rhl3@iadonisi.to on Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 07:40:51PM -0400 References: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097624451.26989.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <20041012191938.B18969@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 07:40:51PM -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Smooge has shed some possible light on the history of why, but I think > it would be wise to leave it as is. At least with the DECPHQ (heh) > Alpha, the 64 bit binaries were *much* larger. Well, not that much after all. /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.607smp for x86_64 is 1572760 bytes long. A size of initrd mostly depens on how many modules you are using and which ones. Say roughly of the same size a your vmlinuz but usually quite a bit smaller. So you are planning for some 30 or 40 of such pairs. Seem to be a bit excessive. Oh, if you are using a journaled file system for a separate partion of /boot then you will loose some space for a journal overhead but on such small and static file system there is not much point of setting up a journal. On Alpha I have/had usually a big pile of kernels in various development stages and never used /boot that big. 30 Megs was always a plenty. With aboot you can set only up to ten labels in aboot.conf anyway. :-) Michal From david at fubar.dk Wed Oct 13 01:23:35 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:23:35 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea10410121757686505b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041012020658.42375.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com> <1097596543.2689.14.camel@kyrre> <2ad7cea10410121757686505b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097630615.10064.3.camel@davidz> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:57 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:30 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak > wrote: > > Can you post the contnents of /etc/fstab when it is plugged in, plus a > > "ls -la" in /media when it is plugged in? > (the below is on FC3 T3 w/ all applicable updates applied as of 17:53 > PDT 10/12/04 > Since I'm experiencing the same issue here's the output requested. BTW > has anyone put this into bugzilla? > Yeah, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135442 has a link to fixed selinux-policy-targeted packages - they will also appear in Rawhide tomorrow. David From micoots at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 01:25:52 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:25:52 +1000 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097628786.27525.1.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041013012552.45651.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, --- seth vidal wrote: > > I agree fully with you, which leads me to a very > disturbing conclusion > > that there is a major fault in at least the latest > version of > > BitTorrent. Having encountered some unknown error > and ignored it, > > BitTorrent is not correctly detecting that some > kind of error occurred, > > and is representing the incorrectly finished > download as ok, and maybe > > much worse, is presenting this bad download for > upload by other parties. > > > > That seems like such a fundamental trio of errors > that I'm having some > > difficulty understanding why this trainwreck of a > programme is being > > used. I certainly will not be able trust it > again. > > > > Is there a workaround, maybe using an earlier > version of BitTorrent? > > What version of the bittorrent client are you using? > > I know the tracker is running just fine and others > are able to download > it correctly. I'd also suggest using another BitTorrent client, like Azureus or ABC (both available for free on Sourcforge). I've used the "native" BitTorrent client released by the BitTorrent author, but found it left alot to be desired. Clients like the 2 above I've mentioned are of high quality. Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Wed Oct 13 01:29:17 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:29:17 -0400 Subject: Smaller /boot? In-Reply-To: <20041012191938.B18969@mail.harddata.com> References: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097624451.26989.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <20041012191938.B18969@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1097630957.26989.12.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 21:19, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 07:40:51PM -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > Smooge has shed some possible light on the history of why, but I think > > it would be wise to leave it as is. At least with the DECPHQ (heh) > > Alpha, the 64 bit binaries were *much* larger. > > Well, not that much after all. /me tries to cover for my unfounded claims :-P Heh. Well, I just remember that it was always tough to fit all of the Alpha distribution on one CD...back when i386 fit on one CD. Regardless...given that it's hard to even *find* a disk these days less than 36GB, I hardly think 100MB is a big deal. Still, I wouldn't be opposed to reducing it a bit. Yes, yes, I know, older systems people may want to put FC on may have smaller disks. But IIRC, the recommended RAM for FC2 was what, 196MB? Kind of makes those older systems more like doorstops these days. So sad. I think Alan Cox was working on (or helping with) a trimmed down version back in the RHL days for older systems, but I don't know the status of that. Whatever. I was just throwing my $0.02 in, which now seems to be valued about $0.005 :-). -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From micoots at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 01:34:47 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:34:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug In-Reply-To: <4166740C.5030404@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041013013447.49682.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Warren, --- Warren Togami wrote: > Michael Mansour wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since I > > currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to > > upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect > > disks from installation), and as I've just found > out, > > so does FC3T2. > > > > I've read the material on: > > > > http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php > > > > and they claim that they do not know of any issues > > with the driver and kernel used on the > installation > > process of FC3T2. > > > > The following is my problem. > > > > I have an Adaptec I2O SCSI RAID Controller > > BIOS V001.62 (2002/11/16) > > Model 2010S Revision 3B05 > > 32Mb of RAM > > > > Booting the FC3T2 CD, I select to add additional > > drivers and select the "I2O block" driver from the > > list. > > AFAIK manually choosing the I2O block driver from > the menu should no > longer be needed. It sounds to me like your I2O > card has some PCI ID > that the kernel module does not know about. Can you > please provide the > lspci -v and lspci -n? > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com My appologies for not getting back to you earlier on this, I lost this email and only found it again through a search in my inbox. I'd love to run these commands and provide you with the output. How do you suggest I do this? remember I can't install FC2 or above on this machine, can I run the commands in a rescue mode off the FC3T2 cd? Worst case I can grab the FC1 rescue CD I have and boot it on that server (FC1 detects that controller without any issues), and post it here for you? Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 13 01:36:23 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:36:23 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041013012552.45651.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041013012552.45651.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097631383.27525.3.camel@binkley> > I'd also suggest using another BitTorrent client, like > Azureus or ABC (both available for free on > Sourcforge). > > I've used the "native" BitTorrent client released by > the BitTorrent author, but found it left alot to be > desired. > > Clients like the 2 above I've mentioned are of high > quality. I've never found in any of my extensive use of the stock bittorrent client that it downloaded files incorrectly. It may not have as many features but it is reliable. -sv From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Wed Oct 13 01:50:55 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:50:55 -0400 Subject: Config modified? In-Reply-To: <1097624450.3493.47.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012220745.GF17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1097621862.3493.32.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012232120.GG17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1097624450.3493.47.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097632256.4259.30.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:40 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 19:21 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > RPM didn't change. up2date did. > > > > OK, that's one useful piece of information. Thanks. > > > > I liked the old behavior one hell of a lot better. I don't see this > > > being very user-friendly at all, but rather more of an obstacle to most > > > users getting their packages updated. > > > > I don't like it either, but at least it can be changed. > > > > As I use Fedora, and particularly now that I'm thinking in a "test" > mentality, I keep thinking about the average user, who does not have > much computing knowledge. I keep thinking about the users coming to > Linux from Windows, and in some cases giving up because the learning > curve is too great. > > For the beginner and average user, is this new up2date behavior > sensible? I don't think so. Does someone? Is there any other benefit to > it that I don't see? If there is, is that benefit worth the cost? Well, I know the current behavior is not ideal but, I can also imagine some new users being angry because, their system keeps forgetting some of it settings after an update (obviously this only affects systems files, not the user settings which are usually stored in his/her account). I don't think there is any easy solution to this issue (apart from the current behavior of alerting the user of possible changes and making backups of the changed files). Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From notting at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 02:09:24 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:09:24 -0400 Subject: question about rawhide mozilla packaging on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <20041012124322.B8345@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041012124322.B8345@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20041013020924.GD14012@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Michal Jaegermann (michal at harddata.com) said: > The current set of "rawhide" for x86_64 includes > mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm > mozilla-nss-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm > but these two cannot be installed and/or updated without > 'mozilla-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm' which is missing (earlier versions were > present but vanished a while ago). I know that I can just add and > install that from i386 but it seems that all three should be either > absent or present together in a consistent set. Do I miss > something? mozilla-nspr and mozilla-nss should not require mozilla; checking here, they do not appear to. Bill From k04jg02 at kzoo.edu Wed Oct 13 02:12:04 2004 From: k04jg02 at kzoo.edu (dataangel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:12:04 -0400 Subject: Mirrors? Message-ID: <416C8EF4.6050408@kzoo.edu> I want to get FC3 Test 3, but I'm connected through my college campus network which has blocked the bit torrent port for obvious reasons. I'd like to download from a mirror, but all the mirror sites I've tried still list the latest release and Test 2.92. Where can I get 3? From talbotscott at cox.net Wed Oct 13 02:13:44 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:13:44 -0700 Subject: Config modified? In-Reply-To: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097633624.3452.1.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 15:47 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Guys, > > Excuse the ignorance, but my up2date refuses to update the "a2ps" > package, claiming that its config has been modified. Running "rpm -V" > gets me this: > Hmm.. mine always asks me if I want to install it separately and I have to check a box to tell up2date to install it. (although the wording is a little confusing.) > S.5....T c /usr/share/a2ps/afm/fonts.map > > If it's just a configuration file change, why not up2date and create an > "rpmsave" or "rpmnew" file as appropriate? And how do I fix this? > > Thanks, > Scott From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Wed Oct 13 02:16:10 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:16:10 -0400 Subject: Mirrors? In-Reply-To: <416C8EF4.6050408@kzoo.edu> References: <416C8EF4.6050408@kzoo.edu> Message-ID: <1097633770.26989.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 22:12, dataangel wrote: > I want to get FC3 Test 3, but I'm connected through my college campus > network which has blocked the bit torrent port for obvious reasons. I'd > like to download from a mirror, but all the mirror sites I've tried > still list the latest release and Test 2.92. Where can I get 3? Ah. Bit by the geekism of starting everything at 0 instead of one. Fedora Core 2.92 *is* FC3T3 by virtue of the fact that Fedora Core 2.90 was FC3T1. Happy downloading! -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 13 02:26:55 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:26:55 -0600 Subject: question about rawhide mozilla packaging on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <20041013020924.GD14012@nostromo.devel.redhat.com>; from notting@redhat.com on Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:09:24PM -0400 References: <20041012124322.B8345@mail.harddata.com> <20041013020924.GD14012@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041012202655.C20281@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:09:24PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Michal Jaegermann (michal at harddata.com) said: > > The current set of "rawhide" for x86_64 includes > > mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm > > mozilla-nss-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm > > but these two cannot be installed and/or updated without > > 'mozilla-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm' which is missing > > mozilla-nspr and mozilla-nss should not require mozilla; checking > here, they do not appear to. Indeed 'rpm -qRlp mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm' does not list anything obvious but this morning yum definitely barfed on me in an attempt of an update. It was complaining about missing mozilla-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm "which is not available" (indeed) but required by these other two packages. It went through two or three dependency resolution loops before coming to that conclusion. I will try to recheck that later. Michal From k04jg02 at kzoo.edu Wed Oct 13 03:39:46 2004 From: k04jg02 at kzoo.edu (dataangel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:39:46 -0400 Subject: Mirrors? In-Reply-To: <1097633770.26989.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <416C8EF4.6050408@kzoo.edu> <1097633770.26989.15.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <416CA382.6040709@kzoo.edu> Paul Iadonisi wrote: >On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 22:12, dataangel wrote: > > >>I want to get FC3 Test 3, but I'm connected through my college campus >>network which has blocked the bit torrent port for obvious reasons. I'd >>like to download from a mirror, but all the mirror sites I've tried >>still list the latest release and Test 2.92. Where can I get 3? >> >> > > Ah. Bit by the geekism of starting everything at 0 instead of one. >Fedora Core 2.92 *is* FC3T3 by virtue of the fact that Fedora Core 2.90 >was FC3T1. Happy downloading! > > > Kahn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Wed Oct 13 04:28:06 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:28:06 -0400 Subject: Awesome job Message-ID: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Just a quick note to say 'thanks' to everyone who has contributed to the testing of FC3 and contributed to great ideas for releases moving forward. Like a lot of others, I've aired my share of complaints (though I don't think I've been *too* ornery), but overall I'm almost happy enough with even the current FC3T3+updates to upgrade my main desktop to it. Almost -- I'm not crazy enough to actually do it. With my luck, a deep, lurking ext3/selinux related filesystem corruption problem will rear its ugly head *just* after I do the upgrade. If there is a problem like that, I just hope it's found and squashed before release. I'm *really* looking forward to seeing how the scaled back selinux policy helps to get it deployed far and wide. I haven't read through the whole paper yet, but "The Inevitability of Failure: The Flawed Assumption of Security in Modern Computing Environments" (http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/papers/inevit-abs.cfm) co-authored by Stephen Smalley and others at the NSA had me nodding my head in violent agreement through the first few sections. The IT world *needs* *something* at the OS level to improve security, and I'm anxious to see how Fedora Core 3 users react to selinux as a possible answer to some security problems. I'd love to hear stories of thwarted attacks thanks to selinux. Or even where it failed needs improvement -- but let's hope for not-so-serious problems. And there are most definitely some improvements in Gnome 2.8 that make me think that maybe, just maybe we've finally caught up, or at least almost caught up to the to the Windows/MAC world in the area of usability. (I'm primarily talking about areas we've *needed* to catch up, of course. There are definitely some gross things we need to leave behind.) So great job, everybody, and I'll race you all to be the first to install FC3 when it's released. Doubt I'll win, though, with all you folks at universities with uber-fast connections. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From joelbryanster at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 04:47:42 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:47:42 -0700 Subject: torrent tracker linux.duke.edu down? Message-ID: Hi, I've resumed downloading FC3T3 using Azureus, and tracker status says "offline (UnknownHostException:torrent.linux.duke.edu)" From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 13 04:49:49 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:49:49 -0400 Subject: torrent tracker linux.duke.edu down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097642989.28537.0.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 21:47 -0700, joelbryan wrote: > Hi, I've resumed downloading FC3T3 using Azureus, and tracker status > says "offline (UnknownHostException:torrent.linux.duke.edu)" > No it's not down. It is busy but it's not down - it's possible you had a networking problem getting to duke or vice-versa. -sv From micoots at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 05:29:26 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:29:26 +1000 (EST) Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097631383.27525.3.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041013052926.42547.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Seth, --- seth vidal wrote: > > I'd also suggest using another BitTorrent client, > like > > Azureus or ABC (both available for free on > > Sourcforge). > > > > I've used the "native" BitTorrent client released > by > > the BitTorrent author, but found it left alot to > be > > desired. > > > > Clients like the 2 above I've mentioned are of > high > > quality. > > I've never found in any of my extensive use of the > stock bittorrent > client that it downloaded files incorrectly. > > It may not have as many features but it is reliable. > > -sv >From my experience, I had the same problem described earlier by that guy when using the stock BitTorrent client, some of the files were downloaded but didn't match in md5sum's. I can't explain why, but that is the reason I started looking for alternatives at the time and came across those 2 on sourceforge. Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From jcw at wilsonet.com Wed Oct 13 05:33:08 2004 From: jcw at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:33:08 -0700 Subject: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug In-Reply-To: <20041008141951.2F467744C3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041008141951.2F467744C3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5D9029B6-1CD9-11D9-8719-00039354AB90@wilsonet.com> On Oct 8, 2004, at 07:19, fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > From: Warren Togami > Subject: Re: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug > > Michael Mansour wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since I >> currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to >> upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect >> disks from installation), and as I've just found out, >> so does FC3T2. >> >> I've read the material on: >> >> http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php Likewise, and still no dice... > AFAIK manually choosing the I2O block driver from the menu should no > longer be needed. It sounds to me like your I2O card has some PCI ID > that the kernel module does not know about. Can you please provide the > lspci -v and lspci -n? I've also got an Adaptec card for which the i2o block driver auto-loads, but no drives are ever found, in either the RHEL4b1 installer or FC3t3 installer. Adaptec 2100S, BIOS 1.62, 128MB cache, 4x36G drives set up as a RAID-5 array. I saw mention of a patch missing from FC3t2 to support 128MB cache cards, which was supposedly going to make it into t3, but I haven't followed closely what the status is on that... # lspci -v 00:0c.0 PCI bridge: Adaptec (formerly DPT) PCI Bridge (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64 Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=64 Capabilities: [68] Power Management version 2 00:0c.1 I2O: Adaptec (formerly DPT) SmartRAID V Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 01) Subsystem: Adaptec (formerly DPT) 2000S Ultra3 Single Channel Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16 BIST result: 00 Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=32K] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 # lspci -n 00:0c.0 Class 0604: 1044:a500 (rev 02) 00:0c.1 Class 0e00: 1044:a501 (rev 02) Interesting that lspci calls it a 2000S, its definitely a 2100S (my memory says so, and so does the BIOS at POST)... -- Jarod C. 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Yes, Bill, it looks that you are right but before I started this time I had both of the above uninstalled (i386 variants only, not x86_64 equivalents). I did try to install i386 versions of mozilla-nspr and mozilla-nss, both 1.7.3-13 and also 1.7.3-12 which later I asked yum to update to 1.7.3-13, and everything now worked. I wish I would know what all of that was about this morning but yum did request mozilla-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm and refused to proceed otherwise. At this point I did 'rpm -e mozilla-nspr.i386 mozilla-nss.i386'. Unfortunately I did not think to save yum messages. I was quite sure that I can reproduce that at will. Sigh! I will leave these packages installed, although nothing is really using them on my installation, and I will see what future will bring. If this makes any difference I was (likely) updating 1.7.3-11 version of all mozilla packages, and not 1.7.3-12, to the current one and this does not seem to be around anymore. 2.92 has 1.7.3-7. Michal From micoots at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 05:44:02 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:44:02 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug In-Reply-To: <5D9029B6-1CD9-11D9-8719-00039354AB90@wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <20041013054402.50324.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jarod, --- Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Oct 8, 2004, at 07:19, > fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > From: Warren Togami > > Subject: Re: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug > > > > Michael Mansour wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since > I > >> currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to > >> upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect > >> disks from installation), and as I've just found > out, > >> so does FC3T2. > >> > >> I've read the material on: > >> > >> http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php > > Likewise, and still no dice... > > > AFAIK manually choosing the I2O block driver from > the menu should no > > longer be needed. It sounds to me like your I2O > card has some PCI ID > > that the kernel module does not know about. Can > you please provide the > > lspci -v and lspci -n? > > I've also got an Adaptec card for which the i2o > block driver > auto-loads, but no drives are ever found, in either > the RHEL4b1 > installer or FC3t3 installer. > > Adaptec 2100S, BIOS 1.62, 128MB cache, 4x36G drives > set up as a RAID-5 > array. I saw mention of a patch missing from FC3t2 > to support 128MB > cache cards, which was supposedly going to make it > into t3, but I > haven't followed closely what the status is on > that... > > # lspci -v > 00:0c.0 PCI bridge: Adaptec (formerly DPT) PCI > Bridge (rev 02) (prog-if > 00 [Normal decode]) > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency > 64 > Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, > subordinate=02, sec-latency=64 > Capabilities: [68] Power Management version > 2 > > 00:0c.1 I2O: Adaptec (formerly DPT) SmartRAID V > Controller (rev 02) > (prog-if 01) > Subsystem: Adaptec (formerly DPT) 2000S > Ultra3 Single Channel > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency > 64, IRQ 16 > BIST result: 00 > Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) > [size=128M] > Expansion ROM at [disabled] > [size=32K] > Capabilities: [80] Power Management version > 2 > > > # lspci -n > 00:0c.0 Class 0604: 1044:a500 (rev 02) > 00:0c.1 Class 0e00: 1044:a501 (rev 02) > > Interesting that lspci calls it a 2000S, its > definitely a 2100S (my > memory says so, and so does the BIOS at POST)... > > -- > Jarod C. Wilson, RHCE > jcw at wilsonet.com While chatting about this, I decided to goto the website (supermicro) to look for firmware updates for the Adaptec card. Since that card is specifically for that supermicro board, I found an update for it and will look at applying it sometime in the future after posting my "lspci" output here first. You think a firmware update may make the difference? maybe you can do that on your board and post here how it goes? Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From sven.persson at gmx.de Wed Oct 13 07:07:08 2004 From: sven.persson at gmx.de (Sven Persson) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:07:08 +0200 (MEST) Subject: system-config-packages - a nightmare Message-ID: <10835.1097651228@www43.gmx.net> Hi Penguins out there, system-config-packages is makin? me sick. I can?t install/remove packages because it claims that it can?t read the cd. Why is kpackages not compiled in kadmin? In an earlier CVS-version of system-config-packages you had the possibility to add or remove software more fine-grained with two nice buttons on the left: add/remove. Get it on. And please pack the configuration tools under one gui. -- The box said: needs WIN95 or better, so I decided to install LINUX GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ From harald at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 09:40:37 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:40:37 +0200 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <20041013010353.GA15822@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> <20041013002401.GA5562@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <416C7D5F.8060306@sbcglobal.net> <20041013010353.GA15822@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <416CF815.8070803@redhat.com> Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 08:57:03PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>It seems that of all the CD drives that I ran a mediacheck on, all had >>this particular media failure. (A laptop, industrial computer and two >>desktops). The puzzling factor was disc 1 passing mediacheck and the >>others failing. > > > It depends on the iso size and what boundary the end lands upon > simple rule: burn with the "-dao" option From linxt at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 09:40:51 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:40:51 -0700 Subject: Failed upgrade FC3 (t2 > t3) Message-ID: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> Hi All: Well, I decided to try upgrading from FC3t2 to FC3t3 today (umm, yesterday). Ran into an error during the upgrade of mailman from DVD. I wanted to test an upgrade first and then do a full install to see how the results compare. Downloaded the DVD iso from rawhide. Haven't done an MD5SUM on it yet since I saw in some of the messages that there was a problem with that. Anyway, burned the DVD with growisofs and everything seemed fine. Booted okay and began the upgrade. Image copied to hard drive okay. Then went to get something in the garage and came back to the error message about mailman problem upgrading and rebooted. Now I have an INTERESTING situation. When I boot normally (without DVD), I still get my original grub startup with kernel 603 ((I'd previously upgraded that). Everything came up okay but the login shows FC3T3 but not all programs have been upgraded. Also, I had already upgraded KDE to 3.3 previously and that is still (?) there but some items (menus and panel) have changed. Will have to find out if this is from FC3T3 loading a new KDE3.3 or what. Does someone out there have a valid MD5SUM for the DVD? If so, would you please send me a copy of it. Thanks, Tom -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 From richard.torkar at htu.se Wed Oct 13 09:44:33 2004 From: richard.torkar at htu.se (Richard Torkar) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:44:33 +0200 Subject: Upgrade (HD) FC3T2 to FC3T3 success Message-ID: <1097660673.4426.6.camel@dhcp14.thnteach.htu.se> FYI, did an upgrade (burned the first iso and put the rest on the / partition) of FC3T2 to FC3T3 today. Everything went smoothly. As far as I could tell it only upgraded two packages: fedora-release libgnomecups /Richard From zappig at virgilio.it Wed Oct 13 10:44:48 2004 From: zappig at virgilio.it (Gabriele Zappi) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:44:48 +0200 Subject: Failed upgrade FC3 (t2 > t3) In-Reply-To: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1097664288.24746.4.camel@hamlet.isiway.it> Il mer, 2004-10-13 alle 11:40, Tom Taylor ha scritto: .... > Does someone out there have a valid MD5SUM for the DVD? If so, would you > please send me a copy of it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 2ca41f167d944453cd64585da9c3892b FC3-test3-i386-DVD.iso ..... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Wed Oct 13 11:31:27 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:31:27 -0300 Subject: system-config-packages - a nightmare In-Reply-To: <10835.1097651228@www43.gmx.net> References: <10835.1097651228@www43.gmx.net> Message-ID: <1097667087.14645.0.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Qua, 2004-10-13 ?s 04:07, Sven Persson escreveu: > system-config-packages is makin? me sick. I can?t install/remove packages > because it claims that it can?t read the cd. Why is kpackages not compiled > in kadmin? In an earlier CVS-version of system-config-packages you had the > possibility to add or remove software more fine-grained with two nice > buttons on the left: add/remove. Get it on. And please pack the > configuration tools under one gui. If you NEED a graphic tool for managing packages, try apt-get with synaptic. I wouldn't use anything else. -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 13 11:47:55 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New kernel, should be the default In-Reply-To: <1097624774.3493.53.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097253564.18267.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041008191616.1bfb60eb.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <1097392545.3433.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <1097451005.4130.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097621001.3493.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097624774.3493.53.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: On Oct 12, 2004 at 17:46, Rodolfo J. Paiz in a soothing rage wrote: >On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 19:11 -0400, ne... wrote: >> No need to apologize. I am seriously looking for figures to >> go with a lot of the positions held here, both for and against. >> Not for the sake of arguing, but to really see the concrete >> figures about the views people hold. > >You/we/Fedora will have to run surveys if you want that, I think. Plus, >many of the users affected by a choice such as whether or not the >up2date process defaults to the new kernel or not don't have the >knowledge to intelligently discuss it. True dat. >I would suggest setting the default to be appropriate for newer/less- >knowledgeable users, and an /etc/sysconfig/kernel parameter such as has >been suggested so that more-expert people can make a simple, one-time >change that will activate their preferences. > >Seems like this would make most people happy at a very low cost and >risk. What do you think? Agreed. >> I also feel that what may be considered the minority view also >> has to be heard. This leads to better decisions being made. >> > >Yes, of course! All opinions should be heard. At the end of the decision >process, we do need to take into account all those views. But the end >process needs to seek primarily the greater good of the greater number, >while making choice and alternatives and change as easy as possible for >the remaining minority. Again, what do you think? Agreed. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 MAC user's dynamic debugging list evaluator? Never heard of that. 07:45:28 up 107 days, 1:00, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 12:01:14 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:01:14 -0400 Subject: question about rawhide mozilla packaging on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <20041012202655.C20281@mail.harddata.com> References: <20041012124322.B8345@mail.harddata.com> <20041013020924.GD14012@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <20041012202655.C20281@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910410130501133f178e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:26:55 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Indeed 'rpm -qRlp mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm' does not list > anything obvious but this morning yum definitely barfed on me > in an attempt of an update. It was complaining about missing > mozilla-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm "which is not available" (indeed) but > required by these other two packages. It went through two > or three dependency resolution loops before coming to that > conclusion. Before you conclude its a real packaging problem, you need to see if this happens with rpm -Uvh on the commandline instead of via yum. And if its not happening with rpm -Uvh but it happens in yum, then you need to test the process in up2date as well. And you'll have to revert back to the packages you currently have installed to do the testing right, so make sure you have the current versions as well as the new versions on hand. You will want to make sure this is reproducible again and again, and that will require reverting back to old packages if rpm -U or up2date is successful. You need to try to isolate exactly where the problem is. If both yum and up2date see the problem but rpm -Uvh does not that would be a strong indicator to me that the problem is caused by changes in rpm-libs package rpm -q rpm-libs if its -10 or ealier you might be seeing bug that has been fixed and if its -12 you might be seeing a new bug associated with the fix to an old bug. rpm-libs-4.3.2-10 definetely had a bug which affected dependence resolution in both yum and up2date at least on x86, so if you have -10 installed i would just update to -12 and try again as a first step. And if you see the problem with rpm -Uvh on the commandline rerun it with rpm -Uvv and capture the resulting verbose output. -jef From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 12:19:16 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:19:16 -0400 Subject: Failed upgrade FC3 (t2 > t3) In-Reply-To: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <604aa791041013051963bfa875@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:40:51 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > Hi All: > > Well, I decided to try upgrading from FC3t2 to FC3t3 today (umm, yesterday). > Ran into an error during the upgrade of mailman from DVD. More valuable would be to test an upgrade from fc2 to fc3t3. There could very well be problems associated specificaly with upgrading from test2 to test3 but those problems are probably not going to be given priority over other outstanding issues and I certainly doubt any test2 to test3 migration issues will reach blocker status at this point. If you can determine your dvd is good, it might be worth your time to reinstall fc2 and then test the upgrade to test3 to make sure the same issue doesn't show up in the fc2->fc3 migration. -jef From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 12:26:55 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:26:55 -0400 Subject: FC3 T2 conflicts - duplicate programs In-Reply-To: <604aa791041013051963bfa875@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> <604aa791041013051963bfa875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Trying to run 'yum update' and I run into this error: udev conflicts: mkinitrd<=0:4.1.11-1 yum list | grep mkinitrd shows that I have two versions installed, 4.1.14-1 and 4.1.11-1. So, what's the best way to deal wtih this? I thought about uninstalling mkinitrd and reinstalling it to get the right version. I had a similar problem with tcsh and did a remove/install with apparent success. There are so many dependencies on mkinitrd that I'm afraid I'll break stuff that I need to do a re-installation and then I'll really have problems. Is there a good way to purge this system of old versions of installed programs? Why does this happen? This was a fresh install of FC3T2 done just this weekend which has only seen updates since. Thanks. Glenn From ddollar at blueshiftdesign.com Wed Oct 13 12:44:32 2004 From: ddollar at blueshiftdesign.com (David Dollar) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:44:32 -0400 Subject: system-config-services still fubar Message-ID: <1097671472.13957.1.camel@neon.periodic> [root at neon ddollar]# system-config-services Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 53, in ? import servicemethods File "/usr/share/system-config-services/servicemethods.py", line 28, in ? import nonblockingreader ImportError: No module named nonblockingreader -David Dollar From harald at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 12:59:13 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:59:13 +0200 Subject: FC3 T2 conflicts - duplicate programs In-Reply-To: References: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> <604aa791041013051963bfa875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <416D26A1.8060304@redhat.com> Glen Staufer wrote: > Trying to run 'yum update' and I run into this error: > > udev conflicts: mkinitrd<=0:4.1.11-1 > > yum list | grep mkinitrd shows that I have two versions installed, > 4.1.14-1 and 4.1.11-1. > > So, what's the best way to deal wtih this? I thought about > uninstalling mkinitrd and reinstalling it to get the right version. I > had a similar problem with tcsh and did a remove/install with > apparent success. There are so many dependencies on mkinitrd that I'm > afraid I'll break stuff that I need to do a re-installation and then > I'll really have problems. > > Is there a good way to purge this system of old versions of installed > programs? Why does this happen? This was a fresh install of FC3T2 > done just this weekend which has only seen updates since. > > Thanks. > > Glenn just: # rpm -e mkinitrd-4.1.11-1 which will not deinstall 4.1.14-1 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 13:07:40 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:07:40 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <20041012232029.GA18959@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041012225807.GA10268@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041012231356.16819.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com> <20041012232029.GA18959@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097672859.2681.22.camel@kyrre> Personaly i just burned the "rescue" image to a CD-RW, and booted that with "linux askmethod" Think i will be installing fc3t2 from CD though - i am able to borrow the disks from a friend ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 01.20 skrev Alan Cox: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 09:13:56AM +1000, Michael Mansour wrote: > > I haven't done PXE stuff before so if it does, is > > there a process to follow? I have a DHCP server and > > can setup a tftp server, but is there a mini HOWTO or > > similar around that would briefly describe the > > process? > > install tftp package > mount -o loop dvd.iso /somewhere > make /somewhere nfs exported > cp the initrd and bzImage from the images/pxe directory along with pxelinux.0 > install dhcp server > Add the following to the usual DHCP gunk > > next-server my.tftp.server.addr; > filename "/pxelinux.0" > > PXElinux is part of syslinux and covered in the docs there, it works much like > syslinux but over tftp From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 13:10:01 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:10:01 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 available In-Reply-To: <1097627257.3493.59.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <20041011142535.GH19069@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <1097551207.28441.23.camel@modem.mellor.kw.net> <20041012043442.GA1483@local.zero> <2ad7cea1041011220646b1e5b8@mail.gmail.com> <1097596435.2689.11.camel@kyrre> <20041013001645.GC16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097627257.3493.59.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1097673001.2681.25.camel@kyrre> ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 02.27 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:16 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 10:46:28PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > If you dont want to "waste" 4 cd's, just grab the iso's, put'em on disk > > > of another Linux box, and share them over NFS. > > > > I would second this. It also appears faster by a Lot > > over a local link. If nothing else there is no interruption > > to change discs. > > > > I'm much happier with this as well, although I serve up the downloaded > stuff via FTP rather than NFS. Lots less work, IMHO, especially for the > people who've never previously needed NFS and for whom it would be just > one more thing to learn and work on. > Of cource. I have nfs running on my homedir of my main pc - so that i can grab doc's etc from my laptop. So putting the images there was a lot easyer. Besides - HD install wasn't really the best idea when the target was my 500 mhz single 10 GB drive computer. NFS is pretty fast tough. Faster than cd, at least ;) From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 13 13:18:42 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:18:42 +0200 Subject: FC3 T2 conflicts - duplicate programs In-Reply-To: References: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> <604aa791041013051963bfa875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097673522.4306.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2004 ? 08:26 -0400, Glen Staufer a ?crit : > Trying to run 'yum update' and I run into this error: > > udev conflicts: mkinitrd<=0:4.1.11-1 > > yum list | grep mkinitrd shows that I have two versions installed, > 4.1.14-1 and 4.1.11-1. > man yum : list can be used to list various information about *available* pack- ages; First update yum, then update mkinitrd, then update all your system. - yum update yum Add "obsoletes=1" to /etc/yum.conf if missing. - yum update mkinitrd - yum update > So, what's the best way to deal wtih this? I thought about > uninstalling mkinitrd and reinstalling it to get the right version. I > had a similar problem with tcsh and did a remove/install with > apparent success. There are so many dependencies on mkinitrd that I'm > afraid I'll break stuff that I need to do a re-installation and then > I'll really have problems. > > Is there a good way to purge this system of old versions of installed > programs? Why does this happen? This was a fresh install of FC3T2 > done just this weekend which has only seen updates since. > RTFM :-) man yum man yum.conf > Thanks. > > Glenn > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 13:20:14 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:20:14 +0200 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea10410121757686505b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041012020658.42375.qmail@web61306.mail.yahoo.com> <1097596543.2689.14.camel@kyrre> <2ad7cea10410121757686505b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097673614.2681.28.camel@kyrre> ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 02.57 skrev Jon Savage: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:46:30 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak > wrote: > > Can you post the contnents of /etc/fstab when it is plugged in, plus a > > "ls -la" in /media when it is plugged in? > (the below is on FC3 T3 w/ all applicable updates applied as of 17:53 > PDT 10/12/04 > Since I'm experiencing the same issue here's the output requested. BTW > has anyone put this into bugzilla? > > My /etc/fstab: > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 > none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > none /proc proc defaults 0 0 > none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/hdb /media/dvdrom auto > noauto,user,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,ro$/dev/fd0 > /media/floppy auto > noauto,user,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t 0 > 0/dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat > noauto,user,exec,managed,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,no$ > > Output of ls -la in /media: > [jsavage at swlt01 media]$ ls -la > total 48 > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:50 . > drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:02 .. > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:03 dvdrom > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 12 17:03 floppy > drwxr-xr-x 3 jsavage jsavage 16384 Dec 31 1969 usbdisk > > -- > Bests, > Jon fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t Never saw that line before. But it is said that it will be fixed. Test releases are fun... From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 13:21:37 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:21:37 +0200 Subject: Stupied network - Why can't it be friendly? In-Reply-To: <1097595803.4520.27.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <20041011185635.18800.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> <1097528428.29490.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097592927.2689.2.camel@kyrre> <1097595803.4520.27.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097673697.2681.30.camel@kyrre> No problem! Ahh.. that laptop will get FC3 the 2nd of November. Promised. (unless i can bittorrent it :P) tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 17.43 skrev Dan Williams: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:28 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Just wonder: if i and my laptop are in a network which has a wlan, and i > > connect the ethernet-cable: will it bond wlan and ethernet together, > > switch to ethernet (change the routing tables?) or what will it do? > > By design, NetworkManager will keep only *ONE* connection/interface up > at any time. It prefers ethernet to wireless, so when you are plug in, > it deactivates the wireless card and activates the ethernet. When you > unplug, it deactivates the ethernet and activates the wireless card. > > So, best case scenario is that you unplug, and 10s later you are > connected to a wireless network and can browse the web, then you go back > and plug in and 10s later you can browse the web again, all without > _any_ manual intervention. Or, you could have a VPN connection brought > up each time you switch locations, etc. You get the picture :) > > NetworkManager is mostly for the laptop use-case where people are > switching between locations/networks with some frequency. If you want > to have two connections up at the same time, NetworkManager is not for > you (yet). > > Dan From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 13:23:14 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:23:14 +0200 Subject: Halt or Poweroff not powering off box. In-Reply-To: <20041013000937.GB16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <85e4e9640410091442bcb3234@mail.gmail.com> <20041012193302.GC14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <20041012193801.GA21034@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20041013000937.GB16532@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1097673794.2681.32.camel@kyrre> I think my fc2 box is saying "calling acpi_power_up" rigth before shutdown. ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 02.09 skrev Tom Mitchell: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 03:38:01PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 12:33:02PM -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 02:42:18PM -0700, Gabriel Moreno wrote: > > > > The halt and poweroff only halt my system. But don't turn it off. > > > > I've tried booting with acpi=on apm=off and reversed it and no luck. > > > > > > Another change to look for is how poweroff breaks wakeup on interrupt > > > between FC2 and FC3test3. > > > > > > I miss being able to "poweroff" my test box then send > > > a wakeup packet to have it boot. > > > > > > I suspect the change is in the same general set of code > > > as the original question. > > > > Very unlikely indeed. What network chip - network code changes are by far > > more likely to be involved here I think > > Well with FC2 the box would powerdown and trivial power > would be available to the network card and with a correctly > formed packet the card would wakeup the box (equivalent > to pushing a front panel button). > > I guess it partly depends on the state that the system leaves the network chips > and PS when the box is shut down. In this case: > > eth0 = Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) > > I suspect some of the key difference is with acpi_power_off > While acpi is enabled for the BIOS on both the FC2 and FC3Test3 box > only FC3test3(and2) is noisy about using it on powerdown. > > I think the rock I need to look under is acpi_power_off. > > > > -- > T o m M i t c h e l l > May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy > and may your buffers never overflow. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 13 13:29:35 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:29:35 +0200 Subject: FC3 T2 conflicts - duplicate programs In-Reply-To: References: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> <604aa791041013051963bfa875@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097674175.4306.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2004 ? 08:26 -0400, Glen Staufer a ?crit : > This was a fresh install of FC3T2 I forget this point : - Fedora does not support update from a test release to a test release (and a test release to a final release). Which is what you are doing. If it break, it's "normal" and you have to fix it manually. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, the wireless applet on gnome-panel shows no >>networks and all options are grayed out (on right click). >>And it says that there are no network devices, which is wrong, since I >>am using an integrated WIFI card which is working. >>Is there an alternate user interface to access the Network Manager ? >> >> > >I would suggest upgrading to the latest NetworkManager in Rawhide, >NetworkManager-0.2-4. This is much improved, and the applet is a >notification icon now rather than an actual panel applet. > >To access the UI of NetworkManager, you have to run a user-side daemon >called "NetworkManagerInfo". This should be added to your session, or >you can start it up from a terminal. This daemon controls the life of >the panel applet, and also feeds user preferences to NetworkManager. > >So it should be like this: >1) NetworkManager service gets started >2) NetworkManagerInfo gets started at login-time (must be started after >NetworkManager, otherwise it exits by design) >3) NMI will automatically add the applet to your panel > > > >>Does NM have the ability to pick up a wireless network in a location >>(that has many wireless networks) based on what the user >>chose the last time around ? I know that Windows does this even for >>non-broadcast essid networks, correctly choosing my non-broadcast ssid home >>network over my neighbours' broadcast members after the first time I >>choose it over the others. This functionality would be very nice >>for my linux laptop. >> >> > >NetworkManager currently does not work with non-broadcasting APs. This >will get fixed soon. In any case, NetworkManager will attempt to >connect to any access point you have previously chosen from the panel >applet's menu, and it will pick the last one you chose from that menu, >even across reboots (that info is stored in GConf). > >Dan > > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 13:31:24 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:31:24 +0200 Subject: New kernel, should be the default (see also hiddenmenu). In-Reply-To: <1097613838.4259.13.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <4168EA7B.9050305@mindspring.com> <2ad7cea104101001052ea79529@mail.gmail.com> <1097423276.3433.87.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097432509.15508.14.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> <20041012003454.GB8995@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097571320.15435.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1097594892.2689.6.camel@kyrre> <416C1719.2010809@wowway.com> <20041012192741.GB14850@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1097613838.4259.13.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097674284.2681.38.camel@kyrre> tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 22.43 skrev Ricardo Veguilla: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 12:27 -0700, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You get the option to press any key within a timeframe which you can > > > specify in grub.conf to display the menu. > > > > This is easy enough for us but is this the situation > > we want untrained users in. i.e. Default kernel does > > not boot the new kernel and the presence of a new kernel > > is not notified. > > > > N.B. The "red hat network alert notification tool" > > will tell users that there is a newer kernel and > > advise them to reboot. These instructions are not > > sufficient for the untrained because the reboot will > > not boot the new kernel. > > > > Thats why I suggested that "hiddenmenu" plus "latest kernel becomes > boots as default" was a safe choice for stable releases, which, I'm > assuming, is what "less experienced user" are probably going to use. > > But then again, "hiddenmenu" should only be set as default (by the > installer) if the user is only using fedora. If Windows and/or other OS > are detected, then obviously, the menu should be visible. > Agreed. I have not objected to hiddenmenu at all. I just hope that it WILL display the menu if there is another OS present. Personally, i think the best of the best solution would be to display exactly "hiddenmenu" (with a versy short timeout) if fedora is the only os, and display "simplemenu" if there was another OS present (with a bit longer timeout...). If the user then pressed a key (f.eks "f" for "fullmenu"), the whole shebang would show up (after typing any might-existing grub passwords). Kyrre > Regards, > -- > Ricardo Veguilla From mhaney at interactsys.com Wed Oct 13 14:02:05 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:02:05 -0400 Subject: Thoughts on FC3T3 Message-ID: <1097676125.2862.38.camel@marius.asheville.interact> I just did an FTP upgrade from T2 to T3 and wanted to ask a couple of questions. First, I did an FTP upgrade and it took no time at all. I was amazed at the speed in which it upgraded. I don't use the test versions for much more than testing the stock RPMS, it's not used for anything other than that, so I wanted to know, assuming a stock install of T2 (workstation install), how much would an upgrade take, total file size? Second, after the upgrade (which went incredibly smoothly I might add, great job guys!), the RH alert notification icon was missing from the system tray. Was this an upgrade default change? It was enabled in T2. Third, has anyone made any judgements yet on T3's daily use stability? I'd like to start using it on a daily basis, but don't want to fudge anything up? Any real serious gotchas in this release yet? -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 09:57:30 up 2:11, 2 users, load average: 8.11, 8.48, 7.40 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't use the test > versions for much more than testing the stock RPMS, it's not used for > anything other than that, so I wanted to know, assuming a stock install > of T2 (workstation install), how much would an upgrade take, total file > size? > > Second, after the upgrade (which went incredibly smoothly I might add, > great job guys!), the RH alert notification icon was missing from the > system tray. Was this an upgrade default change? It was enabled in T2. > > Third, has anyone made any judgements yet on T3's daily use stability? For my home system I use FC3 since T2. > I'd like to start using it on a daily basis, but don't want to fudge > anything up? Any real serious gotchas in this release yet? > It's a test release but the least :-) Keep a backup around. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:21:08 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2004 ? 10:02 -0400, Mark Haney a ?crit : > > I just did an FTP upgrade from T2 to T3 and wanted to ask a couple of > > questions. First, I did an FTP upgrade and it took no time at all. I > > was amazed at the speed in which it upgraded. I don't use the test > > versions for much more than testing the stock RPMS, it's not used for > > anything other than that, so I wanted to know, assuming a stock install > > of T2 (workstation install), how much would an upgrade take, total file > > size? > > > > Second, after the upgrade (which went incredibly smoothly I might add, > > great job guys!), the RH alert notification icon was missing from the > > system tray. Was this an upgrade default change? It was enabled in T2. > > > > Third, has anyone made any judgements yet on T3's daily use stability? > > For my home system I use FC3 since T2. > > > I'd like to start using it on a daily basis, but don't want to fudge > > anything up? Any real serious gotchas in this release yet? > > > > It's a test release but the least :-) > Keep a backup around. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- -- Matthew Frederico From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 13 14:43:47 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (ChangeModeKernel) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:43:47 +0000 Subject: Network Manager Message-ID: Hi, It came through the build system last night see http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg00673.html So it should be arriving to a mirror near your in the next several hours. > -----Original Message----- > From: Amitabha Roy [mailto:royab at bc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 01:33 PM > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > Subject: Re: Network Manager > > Dan: > > 0.2-4 is not yet available on rawhide is it ? As of last night. I am > looking at the development tree. > Is there somewhere else I should be looking ? > > Amitabha > > Dan Williams wrote: > > >On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:04 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > > > > >>Hello: > >> > >>What exactly is Network Manager supposed to do ? I started NM as a > >>service from system-config-services, > >>it is running. However, the wireless applet on gnome-panel shows no > >>networks and all options are grayed out (on right click). > >>And it says that there are no network devices, which is wrong, since I > >>am using an integrated WIFI card which is working. > >>Is there an alternate user interface to access the Network Manager ? > >> > >> > > > >I would suggest upgrading to the latest NetworkManager in Rawhide, > >NetworkManager-0.2-4. This is much improved, and the applet is a > >notification icon now rather than an actual panel applet. > > > >To access the UI of NetworkManager, you have to run a user-side daemon > >called "NetworkManagerInfo". This should be added to your session, or > >you can start it up from a terminal. This daemon controls the life of > >the panel applet, and also feeds user preferences to NetworkManager. > > > >So it should be like this: > >1) NetworkManager service gets started > >2) NetworkManagerInfo gets started at login-time (must be started after > >NetworkManager, otherwise it exits by design) > >3) NMI will automatically add the applet to your panel > > > > > > > >>Does NM have the ability to pick up a wireless network in a location > >>(that has many wireless networks) based on what the user > >>chose the last time around ? I know that Windows does this even for > >>non-broadcast essid networks, correctly choosing my non-broadcast ssid home > >>network over my neighbours' broadcast members after the first time I > >>choose it over the others. This functionality would be very nice > >>for my linux laptop. > >> > >> > > > >NetworkManager currently does not work with non-broadcasting APs. This > >will get fixed soon. In any case, NetworkManager will attempt to > >connect to any access point you have previously chosen from the panel > >applet's menu, and it will pick the last one you chose from that menu, > >even across reboots (that info is stored in GConf). > > > >Dan > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 14:46:10 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:46:10 +0100 Subject: Thoughts on FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1097676125.2862.38.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1097676125.2862.38.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <20041013144610.GR1925@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:02:05AM -0400, Mark Haney wrote: > Third, has anyone made any judgements yet on T3's daily use stability? > I'd like to start using it on a daily basis, but don't want to fudge > anything up? Any real serious gotchas in this release yet? For printing, make sure to grab the rawhide package. A cupsd crash was fixed after test3 froze. Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cygnia at sonic.net Wed Oct 13 14:49:13 2004 From: cygnia at sonic.net (Bryce Hardy) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:49:13 -0700 Subject: system-config-packages - a nightmare In-Reply-To: <10835.1097651228@www43.gmx.net> References: <10835.1097651228@www43.gmx.net> Message-ID: <416D4069.20305@sonic.net> Sven Persson wrote: > system-config-packages is makin? me sick. I can?t install/remove packages > because it claims that it can?t read the cd. I had that happen, just wait about ten seconds after insterting the CD into the drive before clicking OK, or keep clicking the OKs until it reads it. Not even a full-grown bug, just an aomeba(sp)... :-) -- Bryce Hardy (Santa Rosa, CA USA) cygnia at sonic.net From ernesto at ornl.gov Wed Oct 13 14:57:27 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:57:27 -0400 Subject: Where is the DVD iso for FC3T3? Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B574D38@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Hi Need DVD for FC3T3. I have downloaded all 4 CDROM iso's plus the rescue CD. However, where may I find the DVD iso? Thanks, Ernesto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shrek-m at gmx.de Wed Oct 13 15:10:22 2004 From: shrek-m at gmx.de (shrek-m at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:10:22 +0200 Subject: Where is the DVD iso for FC3T3? In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B574D38@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B574D38@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <416D455E.9060008@gmx.de> Williams Jr, Ernest L. schrieb: > <>Need DVD for FC3T3. > > I have downloaded all 4 CDROM iso?s plus the rescue CD. > > However, where may I find the DVD iso? > $ lftp download.fedora.redhat.com:/pub/fedora/linux/core/test/2.92/i386/iso> ls *DVD* -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 2427422720 Oct 06 01:54 FC3-test3-i386-DVD.iso -- shrek-m From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Wed Oct 13 15:15:59 2004 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:15:59 +0300 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <200410131815.59811.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Jim Cornette kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, 13. lokakuuta 2004 03:04): > Ditto on the not having mozilla available for a choice through > the installer. Choosing this application during initial > installation should be obtainable. Additionally, after installing mozilla there's no entry for it in the KDE menu. Is Mozilla being deprecated? Why isn't that mentioned in the release notes? -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From gmccague at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 15:16:26 2004 From: gmccague at gmail.com (Gordon McCague) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:16:26 -0700 Subject: Mirror Problems? Message-ID: Hi Folks: I went to install a piece of software for FC3 this morning (with YUM) and received the following error: repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from development: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. I tried clearing /var/cache but to no effect. Any information or suggestions are greatly appreciated. -- Gordon McCague gmccague at gmail.com http://www.gmccague.bc.ca/ p: +12508130027 f: +12508130195 "...a nation that frees itself from doubt and refuses to question its own motives and acts can place the world in peril." (Rose, Jacqueline. "Our Present Disillusionment," Harpers Magazine, 2004 October) From walters at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 15:40:50 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:40:50 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a0041012120059b11281@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> <1097607604.7985.25.camel@davidz> <9f50a7a0041012120059b11281@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097682050.13803.73.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:00 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > You know this is why SELiux needs to be off by default. It is just a > headache for average users that is not needed. For those who want > SELinux (myself being one) we know how to cut it one. It was just a bug. Software has bugs. We make test releases to find the bugs and fix them. From joe.borne at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 15:45:40 2004 From: joe.borne at gmail.com (Joe Borne) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:45:40 -0400 Subject: Web server slows whole network In-Reply-To: <20041013143642.8ED3A74600@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041013143642.8ED3A74600@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <10503aff041013084535b2441c@mail.gmail.com> I have a box running Fed Core 2 final that is my web server. It's not taking much traffic because it's mainly for family use. I get mayb 200 hits a day total. However, as soon as I turn on httpd the ping time to my local ISP DNS server goes up from 70-150ms to more like 800-1200 ms. This effects every PC, Mac or Linux box on my home network. The effect on web browsing is significant. Turning off httpd causes it to immediately resume the faster speed. Can anyone tell me the cause of this and how I might address it? Thanks in advance, Joe From talbotscott at cox.net Wed Oct 13 15:47:04 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:47:04 -0700 Subject: Mirror Problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097682424.3710.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 08:16 -0700, Gordon McCague wrote: > Hi Folks: > > I went to install a piece of software for FC3 this morning (with YUM) > and received the following error: > > repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from development: [Errno 256] > No more mirrors to try. > > I tried clearing /var/cache but to no effect. Any information or > suggestions are greatly appreciated. > I've gotten that one a few times (IIRC usually the first attempt to yum even after updates) it usually goes away the second time Scott > -- > Gordon McCague gmccague at gmail.com > http://www.gmccague.bc.ca/ > p: +12508130027 f: +12508130195 > From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 15:53:21 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:53:21 -0400 Subject: Mirror Problems? In-Reply-To: <1097682424.3710.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1097682424.3710.8.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 08:16 -0700, Gordon McCague wrote: > > Hi Folks: > > > > I went to install a piece of software for FC3 this morning (with YUM) > > and received the following error: > > > > repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from development: [Errno 256] > > No more mirrors to try. > > Seeing the same thing here. I've also tried clearing the cache, but no good there. Right now, I'm searching around the net for a good solution. Glenn From Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov Wed Oct 13 15:54:07 2004 From: Robert.Chiodini-1 at ksc.nasa.gov (Chiodini, Robert) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:54:07 -0400 Subject: Web server slows whole network Message-ID: <1097682847.5474.9.camel@tweedy.ksc.nasa.gov> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 11:45, Joe Borne wrote: > I have a box running Fed Core 2 final that is my web server. It's not > taking much traffic because it's mainly for family use. I get mayb 200 > hits a day total. > > However, as soon as I turn on httpd the ping time to my local ISP DNS > server goes up from 70-150ms to more like 800-1200 ms. This effects > every PC, Mac or Linux box on my home network. The effect on web > browsing is significant. Turning off httpd causes it to immediately > resume the faster speed. > > Can anyone tell me the cause of this and how I might address it? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe Joe, Ethereal might give you the answer. 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Turning off httpd causes it to immediately > resume the faster speed. > > Can anyone tell me the cause of this and how I might address it? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe > This question should go to fedora-list... anyway, do you block port 80 to the outer world? From nphilipp at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 16:12:53 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:12:53 +0200 Subject: system-config-services still fubar In-Reply-To: <1097671472.13957.1.camel@neon.periodic> References: <1097671472.13957.1.camel@neon.periodic> Message-ID: <1097683973.28372.14.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 14:44, David Dollar wrote: > [root at neon ddollar]# system-config-services > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/sbin/system-config-services", line 53, in ? > import servicemethods > File "/usr/share/system-config-services/servicemethods.py", line 28, > in ? > import nonblockingreader > ImportError: No module named nonblockingreader You could at least have checked Bugzilla, i.e. #135445, one of the most recent bugs for s-c-services, closed last night. Not that hard to find ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 16:21:29 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:21:29 -0500 Subject: Thoughts on FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <20041013144610.GR1925@redhat.com> References: <1097676125.2862.38.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <20041013144610.GR1925@redhat.com> Message-ID: <416D5609.1060802@earthlink.net> Tim Waugh wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:02:05AM -0400, Mark Haney wrote: > > >>Third, has anyone made any judgements yet on T3's daily use stability? >>I'd like to start using it on a daily basis, but don't want to fudge >>anything up? Any real serious gotchas in this release yet? > > > For printing, make sure to grab the rawhide package. A cupsd crash > was fixed after test3 froze. > > Tim. > */ > Printing to a networked LPD print server using CUPS is still not working with a fresh install of FC3T3 and all updates installed as of this morning. The print server cannot be reached via telnet from this system, but can be pinged as before. Gerry Tool From jerone at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 16:24:29 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:24:29 -0500 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <1097682050.13803.73.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> <1097607604.7985.25.camel@davidz> <9f50a7a0041012120059b11281@mail.gmail.com> <1097682050.13803.73.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00410130924ca1bd23@mail.gmail.com> One bug today.... another bug tommorow. Average users could care less about SELinux, so why have it on, if it's just going to cause potential issues for average users. On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:40:50 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:00 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > > You know this is why SELiux needs to be off by default. It is just a > > headache for average users that is not needed. For those who want > > SELinux (myself being one) we know how to cut it one. > > It was just a bug. Software has bugs. We make test releases to find > the bugs and fix them. > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jdennis at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 16:25:17 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:25:17 -0400 Subject: Config modified? In-Reply-To: <1097632256.4259.30.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1097617620.3427.58.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012220745.GF17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1097621862.3493.32.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041012232120.GG17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1097624450.3493.47.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097632256.4259.30.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1097684717.16054.152.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 21:50, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > Well, I know the current behavior is not ideal but, I can also imagine > some new users being angry because, their system keeps forgetting some > of it settings after an update (obviously this only affects systems > files, not the user settings which are usually stored in his/her > account). No, system configuration settings should not be "forgotten" when an RPM is updated provided the spec file properly identifies configuration files as "noreplace". Any configuration settings that are lost on an RPM upgrade should probably be filed as a bug against the package. Just to be clear, this is the what an earlier poster referred to when he alluded to .rpmnew files. The config file is preserved and the new version of the config file is created alongside the previous config file with the .rpmnew extension. -- John Dennis From hmerrill123 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 16:29:04 2004 From: hmerrill123 at yahoo.com (Hardy Merrill) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thoughts on FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <20041013144610.GR1925@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041013162904.10170.qmail@web21121.mail.yahoo.com> Tim, I don't have my FC3 T3 system in front of me, but I noticed last night that FC3 T3 /etc/yum.conf has a "Development" section - is that the same as rawhide? I saw a lot of packages show up when I did "yum check-update" - just curious if those are from rawhide. Thanks. Hardy Merrill --- Tim Waugh wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 10:02:05AM -0400, Mark Haney > wrote: > > > Third, has anyone made any judgements yet on T3's > daily use stability? > > I'd like to start using it on a daily basis, but > don't want to fudge > > anything up? Any real serious gotchas in this > release yet? > > For printing, make sure to grab the rawhide package. > A cupsd crash > was fixed after test3 froze. > > Tim. > */ > > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 13 16:37:06 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:37:06 -0600 Subject: Awesome job In-Reply-To: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1097685426.4834.15.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 00:28 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > And there are most definitely some improvements in Gnome 2.8 that make > me think that maybe, just maybe we've finally caught up, or at least > almost caught up to the to the Windows/MAC world in the area of > usability. (I'm primarily talking about areas we've *needed* to catch > up, of course. There are definitely some gross things we need to leave > behind.) Can you go into some more detail on all of this paragraph? I'd like to see what you mean about some things so I can then add some comments and learn something in the process. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dmalcolm at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 16:40:07 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:40:07 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: problem with evolution2 and contacts...] In-Reply-To: <1097324137.4664.0.camel@mgmk7.mgmux.com> References: <1097324137.4664.0.camel@mgmk7.mgmux.com> Message-ID: <1097685607.18585.28.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 13:15 +0100, Manuel Moreno wrote: > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Manuel Moreno > To: amd64-list at redhat.com > Subject: problem with evolution2 and contacts... > Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:43:34 +0100 > evolution-2.0.1-2 on x86_64 > > when trying to open contacts > > ********** > Error loading addressbook. > > We were unable to open this addressbook. Please check that the path > exists and that you have permission to access it > ********** > > It works ok on i386, though. Looks like this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135483 This should be fixed in evolution-data-server-1.0.2 (available in Rawhide). Please can you yum update the package from rawhide and see if it does indeed fix things on x86_64? Thanks! Dave Malcolm > > -- > Manuel Moreno > > -- > Manuel Moreno > From mattwhiteley at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 16:51:14 2004 From: mattwhiteley at gmail.com (matt whiteley) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:51:14 -0700 Subject: sata_nv is in devel 10/13 boot.iso Message-ID: <72ae109c04101309514a858900@mail.gmail.com> Robert, Neil, Carlos and others looking into this issue. I have downloaded and confirmed that sata_nv.ko is in the 10/13 devel boot.iso. Also all of the required lines are in module-info, pci.ids, modules.pcimap and module.dep. It seems to be working fine to boot from. If you have the means to do a nfs or http install this will work fine. Just rsync the devel tree and install from it. Since fc3t3 yum points at devel for updates it is just like an updated version of fc3t3. You can expand the isos to a directory to save on download time. I would use the '--delete' option on rsync but be sure of your local directory when you do. The trailing slashes in rsync are important. rsync -av fedora.cat.pdx.edu::fedora-linux-core-development/x86_64/ /local/dir/ No one seems to be hitting our mirror much since I turned on rsync so that will be fast for you :) I was able to install from this devel boot.iso, and the devel tree via nfs. Hope you guys have similar luck. Thanks to Bill Nottingham and any others at RedHat that fixed this so quick for us. -- matt whiteley From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 13 16:56:13 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:56:13 -0600 Subject: question about rawhide mozilla packaging on x86_64 In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410130501133f178e@mail.gmail.com>; from jspaleta@gmail.com on Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:01:14AM -0400 References: <20041012124322.B8345@mail.harddata.com> <20041013020924.GD14012@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> <20041012202655.C20281@mail.harddata.com> <604aa7910410130501133f178e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041013105613.A4683@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 08:01:14AM -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:26:55 -0600, Michal Jaegermann > wrote: > > Indeed 'rpm -qRlp mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm' does not list > > anything obvious > > Before you conclude its a real packaging problem, you need to see > if this happens with rpm -Uvh on the commandline instead of via > yum. I did not conclude anything. I am scratching my head and I was unable to reproduce the problem either with yum or by doing rpm operations straight from a command line; although the rpm part was likely not evident from what I wrote elsewhere in this thread. The only thing with rpm is that if one is trying to install, currently absent, i386 variants of packages then one needs to use '--oldpackages' flag because rpm sees newer versions of x86_64 equivalents and is unhappy. Once past that hurdle everything is fine and results as expected. Over years I have seen a number of instances when rpm databases got more or less serious hiccups. Maybe this was one of these cases? I see no predicable way to get a content of /var/lib/rpm/ in the previous state. Just adding back old packages is not good enough. Michal From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 13 16:56:24 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:56:24 -0600 Subject: Smaller /boot? In-Reply-To: <1097630957.26989.12.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097624451.26989.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <20041012191938.B18969@mail.harddata.com> <1097630957.26989.12.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1097686584.4834.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 21:29 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Regardless...given that it's hard to even *find* a disk these days > less than 36GB, I hardly think 100MB is a big deal. Still, I wouldn't > be opposed to reducing it a bit. > Yes, yes, I know, older systems people may want to put FC on may have > smaller disks. But IIRC, the recommended RAM for FC2 was what, 196MB? > Kind of makes those older systems more like doorstops these days. So > sad. I think Alan Cox was working on (or helping with) a trimmed down > version back in the RHL days for older systems, but I don't know the > status of that. I don't know what Alan may have worked on, but there is an ongoing project called RULE (Run Up2date Linux Everywhere) which was able to provide (via a custom installer) normal Red Hat Linux 9 installs into 486 boxes with as little as 8MB of RAM. RULE is now working on updating its installer for Fedora Core 2 and/or 3. RULE also works on additional things, such as a lighter version of Abiword for machines that simply cannot run OpenOffice well. They're a small project but a good one: http://www.rule-project.org. In Central America, I do see people with older boxes who set /boot to 100MB thinking the OS knows its needs, but they only have 1GB space total so now they have 90MB free in /boot, and only 50MB free in /. If there are no major objections, I'll file an RFE against Anaconda for FC3 suggesting that it should recommend 50 MB, and only warn the user when the proposed /boot partition is less than 30MB. That should still leave lots of space for even 64-bit stuff, but will make users with lower-end hardware feel significantly less uneasy about their new Linux installation. Anyone not OK with that? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Wed Oct 13 17:00:03 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:00:03 -0400 Subject: USB thumb drive question... In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00410130924ca1bd23@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041012014740.35010.qmail@web61307.mail.yahoo.com> <1097607604.7985.25.camel@davidz> <9f50a7a0041012120059b11281@mail.gmail.com> <1097682050.13803.73.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <9f50a7a00410130924ca1bd23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1097686803.32468.369.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 12:24, Jerone Young wrote: > One bug today.... another bug tommorow. Average users could care less > about SELinux, so why have it on, if it's just going to cause > potential issues for average users. Just FYI, this topic (SELinux off by default in FC3) was discussed on fedora-devel-list recently, see the thread starting at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fedora-devel-list&m=109710510103110&w=2. A brief response to your points: - Aren't "average" users concerned about their personal data being destroyed or leaked by flawed and malicious code? See http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/papers/inevit-abs.cfm. Hence, average users should benefit from SELinux. - If "average" users truly don't care about security and/or SELinux truly does get in their way, they _can_ easily disable SELinux at install time or later. In contrast, getting users to explicit enable SELinux is much less likely. Compare with providing secure defaults for firewall configuration and in encouraging people to use non-root logins by default. - If SELinux is disabled by default, then it gets corresponding less testing, maintenance, further integration, enhancements, etc and there is little chance of third party application developers paying any attention to security integration issues. Likelihood that SELinux support in the base OS will bitrot and break is _high_; see FC2 for an example. Likelihood that popular third party software will ever be adjusted to fully take advantage of security benefits is _low_. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Oct 13 17:04:47 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:04:47 +0200 Subject: mount: LABEL=foo duplicate - not mounted Message-ID: <20041013190447.2878e4b2.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> The following problem: # mount /var/lib/mach mount: LABEL=mach duplicate - not mounted # mount -L mach /var/lib/mach mount: the label mach occurs on both /dev/dm-1 and /dev/mapper/VolGrp01-Volume02 - not mounted Let's see: # e2label /dev/dm-1 mach # e2label /dev/mapper/VolGrp01-Volume02 mach Okay. But why can I mount a different volume with a different label? # mount -L ftp /var/ftp/pub # e2label /dev/dm-0 ftp # e2label /dev/mapper/VolGrp01-Volume01 ftp Why doesn't that give a duplicate label error? -- Fedora Core release 2.92 (FC3 Test 3) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 0.06 0.06 0.18 From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 13 17:27:08 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:27:08 -0700 Subject: using nforce3 sata during install Message-ID: <20041013172708.GB29247@arctic.org> hi, i own an nforce3 system. like a few others, i would like to install fedora in a sata disk. it would appear that at least in FC3T2, while sata_nv appears listed in the modules.dep file, the module is not included in the modules.cgz or the info file. it would appear that loading this module seems to work fine (at least when done manually for disk visibility, not during install), therefore, i was interested in knowing what would it take to add it to the main release? i am not familiar with the build scripts, etc., so i am not sure where to start. basically this is a petition for someone to add it or for some tips in how to work to make it easier for the responsible party to add it so that it works out of the box. thanks! -c From manolo at miconexion.com Wed Oct 13 17:24:06 2004 From: manolo at miconexion.com (Manuel Moreno) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:24:06 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: problem with evolution2 and contacts...] In-Reply-To: <1097685607.18585.28.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1097324137.4664.0.camel@mgmk7.mgmux.com> <1097685607.18585.28.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1097688246.4651.2.camel@mgmk7.mgmux.com> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 12:40 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: ... > This should be fixed in evolution-data-server-1.0.2 (available in > Rawhide). Please can you yum update the package from rawhide and see if > it does indeed fix things on x86_64? Thanks! > > Dave Malcolm ... > Indeed. Tested two minutes ago and it is solved. Now if we could just have an 'export' option for addressbooks... -- Manuel Moreno From mattwhiteley at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 17:34:01 2004 From: mattwhiteley at gmail.com (matt whiteley) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:34:01 -0700 Subject: using nforce3 sata during install In-Reply-To: <20041013172708.GB29247@arctic.org> References: <20041013172708.GB29247@arctic.org> Message-ID: <72ae109c04101310347cd5cf24@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:27:08 -0700, Carlos Puchol wrote: > hi, > > i own an nforce3 system. like a few others, i would like > to install fedora in a sata disk. > > it would appear that at least in FC3T2, while sata_nv appears > listed in the modules.dep file, the module is not included in > the modules.cgz or the info file. > > it would appear that loading this module seems to work fine > (at least when done manually for disk visibility, not during install), > therefore, i was interested in knowing what would it take > to add it to the main release? > > i am not familiar with the build scripts, etc., so i am not sure > where to start. > > basically this is a petition for someone to add it > or for some tips in how to work to make it easier for > the responsible party to add it so that it works out of the box. > > thanks! > > -c > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > Carlos, it has been resolved please read my message from earlier today, search the archives or review bug #134586. thanks, -- matt whiteley From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 13 17:50:41 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:50:41 -0700 Subject: using nforce3 sata during install In-Reply-To: <72ae109c04101310347cd5cf24@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041013172708.GB29247@arctic.org> <72ae109c04101310347cd5cf24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041013175041.GA15073@arctic.org> matt whiteley wrote: > Carlos, it has been resolved please read my message from earlier > today, search the archives or review bug #134586. excellent! i missed that. thanks. -c From jcw at wilsonet.com Wed Oct 13 17:53:59 2004 From: jcw at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:53:59 -0700 Subject: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug In-Reply-To: <20041013114825.2F19873DC4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041013114825.2F19873DC4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200410131054.02053.jcw@wilsonet.com> On Wednesday 13 October 2004, Michael Mansour wrote: > > >> I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since > > >> I currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to > > >> upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect > > >> disks from installation), and as I've just found > > >> out, so does FC3T2. > > >> > > >> I've read the material on: > > >> > > >> http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php > > > > Likewise, and still no dice... [snip] > > I've also got an Adaptec card for which the i2o > > block driver > > auto-loads, but no drives are ever found, in either > > the RHEL4b1 > > installer or FC3t3 installer. > > > > Adaptec 2100S, BIOS 1.62, 128MB cache, 4x36G drives > > set up as a RAID-5 > > array. I saw mention of a patch missing from FC3t2 > > to support 128MB > > cache cards, which was supposedly going to make it > > into t3, but I > > haven't followed closely what the status is on > > that... [snip] > While chatting about this, I decided to goto the > website (supermicro) to look for firmware updates for > the Adaptec card. Since that card is specifically for > that supermicro board, I found an update for it and > will look at applying it sometime in the future after > posting my "lspci" output here first. Is yours an on-board solution on a SuperMicro motherboard? Mine is a stand-alone PCI card, no firmware to be had on their site. > You think a firmware update may make the difference? > maybe you can do that on your board and post here how > it goes? I was running an older firmware when I started down this road, and recently flashed it up to the latest I could find on Adaptec's web site (1.62), still no dice. I don't think I should need anything newer than what's on the manufacturer's web site, especially for a card that is a few years old... -- Jarod C. Wilson, RHCE jcw at wilsonet.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Biology? :P ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 16.49 skrev Bryce Hardy: > Sven Persson wrote: > > > system-config-packages is makin? me sick. I can?t install/remove packages > > because it claims that it can?t read the cd. > > I had that happen, just wait about ten seconds after insterting the CD > into the drive before clicking OK, or keep clicking the OKs until it > reads it. Not even a full-grown bug, just an aomeba(sp)... :-) > > > -- > Bryce Hardy (Santa Rosa, CA USA) > cygnia at sonic.net From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 18:31:51 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Smaller /boot? In-Reply-To: <1097686584.4834.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097619990.3493.8.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097624451.26989.4.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <20041012191938.B18969@mail.harddata.com> <1097630957.26989.12.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1097686584.4834.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <2770.12.29.16.103.1097692311.squirrel@whooper.org> Rodolfo J. Paiz said: [snip] > I don't know what Alan may have worked on, but there is an ongoing > project called RULE (Run Up2date Linux Everywhere) which was able to > provide (via a custom installer) [snip] > If there are no major objections, I'll file an RFE against Anaconda [snip] Not to disagree that the suggestion could be lower (just a quick look shows my used space at ~25MB) but, a major part of the RULE project (and I imagine other low-end focused spin-offs) is the custom installer. If the hardware is such that RULE is needed, changing Anaconda won't make a difference. Anaconda should stay focused on the "Recommended" standard, not the "Minimum" standard. -- William Hooper From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 18:29:34 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:29:34 +0200 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <200410131815.59811.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <416C70F1.4080605@sbcglobal.net> <200410131815.59811.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1097692174.7164.8.camel@kyrre> As far as i know: moz is not being depreciated. Or at least not yet - as long as epiphany depends on it beeing there. But i think what you refer to as the "moz icon" is really the "htmlview icon" - which is simply just a link (okay... a script then) to the default browser - which is epiphany not moz. ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 17.15 skrev Markku Kolkka: > Jim Cornette kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, 13. > lokakuuta 2004 03:04): > > Ditto on the not having mozilla available for a choice through > > the installer. Choosing this application during initial > > installation should be obtainable. > > Additionally, after installing mozilla there's no entry for it in > the KDE menu. Is Mozilla being deprecated? Why isn't that > mentioned in the release notes? > > -- > Markku Kolkka > markku.kolkka at iki.fi From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Oct 13 18:45:50 2004 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:45:50 -0400 Subject: new versions of glib2, gtk2 available Message-ID: <1097693150.26586.3.camel@golem.boston.redhat.com> I have updated glib2 and gtk2 to the latest upstream version, the packages are glib2-2.4.7-1.1 and gtk2-2.4.13-1.1. This should fix a large number of problems with the file chooser, but also e.g https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=126666 Please report problems with these packages to me. Matthias From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Wed Oct 13 19:16:06 2004 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:16:06 +0300 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <1097692174.7164.8.camel@kyrre> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200410131815.59811.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1097692174.7164.8.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200410132216.06944.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Kyrre Ness Sjobak kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, 13. lokakuuta 2004 21:29): > But i think what you refer to as the "moz icon" is really the > "htmlview icon" - which is simply just a link (okay... a > script then) to the default browser - which is epiphany not > moz. No, I didn't say anything about an _icon_. There's no _menu entry_ for Mozilla in the KDE menu system. I get menu entries for Firefox and Konqueror, but no Mozilla. Epiphany isn't on my system. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 19:15:34 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:15:34 +0200 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <200410132216.06944.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200410131815.59811.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1097692174.7164.8.camel@kyrre> <200410132216.06944.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1097694934.7164.15.camel@kyrre> Do you have a htmlview icon? ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 21.16 skrev Markku Kolkka: > Kyrre Ness Sjobak kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, > 13. lokakuuta 2004 21:29): > > But i think what you refer to as the "moz icon" is really the > > "htmlview icon" - which is simply just a link (okay... a > > script then) to the default browser - which is epiphany not > > moz. > > No, I didn't say anything about an _icon_. There's no _menu > entry_ for Mozilla in the KDE menu system. I get menu entries > for Firefox and Konqueror, but no Mozilla. Epiphany isn't on my > system. > > -- > Markku Kolkka > markku.kolkka at iki.fi From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 6 19:51:08 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:51:08 -0400 Subject: Fedora Project Mailing Lists reminder Message-ID: This is a reminder of the mailing lists for the Fedora Project, and the purpose of each list. You can view this information at http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ When you're using these mailing lists, please take the time to choose the one that is most appropriate to your post. If you don't know the right mailing list to use for a question or discussion, please contact me. This will help you get the best possible answer for your question, and keep other list subscribers happy! Mailing Lists Mailing lists are email addresses which send email to all users subscribed to the mailing list. 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In-Reply-To: <1097694934.7164.15.camel@kyrre> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200410132216.06944.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1097694934.7164.15.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200410132228.05077.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Kyrre Ness Sjobak kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, 13. lokakuuta 2004 22:15): > Do you have a htmlview icon? No, because htmlview is completely useless. It just tries to start the nonexistent epiphany browser, then tells me to "please reconfigure" without telling how to actually do that. I'd like to rpm -e that piece of c**p, but can't because of dependencies. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 19:29:11 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:29:11 +0200 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <200410132228.05077.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200410132216.06944.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1097694934.7164.15.camel@kyrre> <200410132228.05077.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1097695751.7164.19.camel@kyrre> Change your default browser. To do this, go to preferences -> prefered applications ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 21.28 skrev Markku Kolkka: > Kyrre Ness Sjobak kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, > 13. lokakuuta 2004 22:15): > > Do you have a htmlview icon? > > No, because htmlview is completely useless. It just tries to > start the nonexistent epiphany browser, then tells me to "please > reconfigure" without telling how to actually do that. I'd like > to rpm -e that piece of c**p, but can't because of dependencies. > > -- > Markku Kolkka > markku.kolkka at iki.fi From ernesto at ornl.gov Wed Oct 13 19:28:35 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:28:35 -0400 Subject: Is there a movie maker tool for Fedora?? Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA843@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Hi, Is there a movie-maker type tool that will allow us to create a little movie (i.e. mpeg)? For example, I would like to create a 10 second clip of the xclock application. So just as there is a ksnapshot is there something like a kmoviemaker out there? Thanks, Ernesto From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 19:36:04 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:36:04 -0500 Subject: Cups printing to networked print server still not working Message-ID: <416D83A4.9050901@earthlink.net> Reference Bugzilla # 133064. Printing to a networked LPD print server using CUPS is still not working with a fresh install of FC3T3 and all updates installed as of this morning. The print server cannot be reached via telnet from this system, but can be pinged as before. If anyone has a similar setup, please try to define and use a printer and report success or failure. If it fails, please add your comments to the bug report noted above. Thanks. Gerry Tool From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 13 19:34:37 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:34:37 +0200 Subject: Cups printing to networked print server still not working In-Reply-To: <416D83A4.9050901@earthlink.net> References: <416D83A4.9050901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1097696077.7164.21.camel@kyrre> Maybe (at least untill you see somebody else doing it) report success to? ons, 13.10.2004 kl. 21.36 skrev Gerry Tool: > Reference Bugzilla # 133064. > > Printing to a networked LPD print server using CUPS is still not working > with a fresh install of FC3T3 and all updates installed as of this > morning. The print server cannot be reached via telnet from this > system, but can be pinged as before. > > If anyone has a similar setup, please try to define and use a printer > and report success or failure. If it fails, please add your comments to > the bug report noted above. > > Thanks. > > Gerry Tool From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Wed Oct 13 20:04:47 2004 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:04:47 +0300 Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <1097695751.7164.19.camel@kyrre> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200410132228.05077.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1097695751.7164.19.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200410132304.47364.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Kyrre Ness Sjobak kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, 13. lokakuuta 2004 22:29): > Change your default browser. To do this, go to preferences -> > prefered applications There's no such menu entry in KDE either. Am I the only person here trying to run a KDE-only FC3t3 system? -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From xander at harkness.co.uk Wed Oct 13 20:18:28 2004 From: xander at harkness.co.uk (Xander D Harkness) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:18:28 +0100 Subject: Is there a movie maker tool for Fedora?? In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA843@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA843@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <1097698707.8031.0.camel@wks.harkness.co.uk> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 20:28, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a movie-maker type tool that will allow us to create a little movie (i.e. mpeg)? > > For example, I would like to create a 10 second clip of the xclock application. > > So just as there is a ksnapshot is there something like a kmoviemaker out there? > Have a look out for vnc2swf - it will make flash films of vnc sessions. Kind regards Xander > > > > > Thanks, > Ernesto From mark_belanger at ltx.com Wed Oct 13 20:19:14 2004 From: mark_belanger at ltx.com (Mark Belanger) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:19:14 -0400 Subject: Is there a movie maker tool for Fedora?? In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA843@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA843@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <416D8DC2.7070703@ltx.com> Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: >Hi, > >Is there a movie-maker type tool that will allow us to create a little movie (i.e. mpeg)? > >For example, I would like to create a 10 second clip of the xclock application. > >So just as there is a ksnapshot is there something like a kmoviemaker out there? > > I've never used it myself, but you might try vnc2swf: http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ -------------- snip of web site ---------------------- What's It? Vnc2swf is a screen recording tool for X-Window (X11), Windows and Mac OS Desktop. Vnc2swf captures the live motion of a screen through VNC protocol and converts it a Macromedia Flash(TM) movie (.swf). -Mark > > > > >Thanks, >Ernesto > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 13 20:22:47 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Option for installing Mozilla ? In-Reply-To: <200410132304.47364.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <20041012233013.80955.qmail@web86507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200410132228.05077.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1097695751.7164.19.camel@kyrre> <200410132304.47364.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: On Oct 13, 2004 at 23:04, Markku Kolkka in a soothing rage wrote: >There's no such menu entry in KDE either. Am I the only person >here trying to run a KDE-only FC3t3 system? No. I plan on reinstalling this weekend. Right now I have a 75% rawhide updated FC3t2 which I am not at ATM. Sorry I can not really help you out. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 Ten years of rejection slips is nature's way of telling you to stop writing. -- R. Geis 16:20:56 up 107 days, 9:35, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From dravet at calumet.purdue.edu Wed Oct 13 20:35:10 2004 From: dravet at calumet.purdue.edu (Jason Dravet) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:35:10 -0500 Subject: devel packages Message-ID: <200410132037.i9DKbPD02118@nwi.calumet.purdue.edu> I just completed a custom install of FC3T3 and I ended up with 39 devel packages on my PC. I then went to up2date the system and there are 226 updates, 6 of which are devel updates. One of the updates is rpm-devel (3.3MB). Some of the others are: glibc-devel (2MB), libgcj-devel (6.7MB) and libstdc++-devel (8.7MB). I went to command prompt and rpm -e rpm-devel and the package was erased. There was no warning about a package being dependent on the rpm-devel package so why was it installed? Do I really need the devel packages? For those of us with dial up it would nice if FC did not any unnecessary devel packages. Thanks, Jason From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 13 20:44:41 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:44:41 -0500 Subject: gthumb rotation tool not working Message-ID: <416D93B9.2020805@earthlink.net> I can't get gthumb (Applications > Graphics > Photo Tool to rotate an image in FC3T3. It is version 2.4.2. This works great in FC2 and I believe it did in FC3T2. Can anyone confirm this? I'll file a bugzilla report if it is repeatable for others. Gerry Tool From maze at cela.pl Wed Oct 13 20:46:14 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:46:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: FC3T3 Jigdo/Bittorrent Message-ID: > Fedora Core 3 test 3 is now available. This is the last planned > test release before the final release - see: > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ It would be real nice if jigdo distribution were to be supported. It's a minimal amount of work and can be a real bandwidth saver (for FC2 the jigdoes and templates for all i386 CDs and DVDs (4 bin, 4 src, 1 rescue, 1 DVD) take up 1.5 MB), and with the mkisofs JTE patch generating them it is trivial and fast (generating via jigdo-file is bothersome but since it's a once per CD process, not overtly so). Indeed switching or at least supporting jigdo would even allow the distribution jigdo files to be updated each time updates are released. (Probably storing two different sets of jigdo template files - one for the original release and one for the newest updated set of CDs). Furthermore is there any reason why bittorrent (possibly license problems? it's mainly MIT) and jigdo (which is GPL'ed) plus the jigdo template mkisofs patch aren't in core (at least not in FC2)? It would also be useful if the precise command line used for generating all the standard ISO's (both CD bin/src/rescue and DVD) was available somewhere (and a list of what files each CD/DVD contains, probably md5sum generated) along with a single text file containing an md5sum checksum list of all files. Cheers, MaZe. From biped at comcast.net Wed Oct 13 20:49:52 2004 From: biped at comcast.net (Marcus Schuetz) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:49:52 -0400 Subject: hald keeps dying Message-ID: <416D94F0.3040000@comcast.net> I have been having this problem for a while, but even with the latest version (hal-0.2.98.cvs20040929-3) the haldaemon doesn't seem able to stay alive :-) The relevant part of the strace seems to be : ...... read(5, " \n\n From fayoeu at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 05:17:20 2004 From: fayoeu at gmail.com (Fa Yoeu) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:17:20 -0700 Subject: FC Test 3: Mangled MBR In-Reply-To: <416FD015.1090505@bc.edu> References: <42176.213.164.3.90.1097842583.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <416FD015.1090505@bc.edu> Message-ID: The only problem I had with grub was that I couldn't boot the XP partition after installing FC3t2. I followed the instructions found on the web for fixing this issue since it was known, but this issue is different than yours because grub booted up properly. On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:26:45 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > nodata wrote: > > >Hi. > >I downloaded and installed FC3t3 today. > >FC3t3 was installed on a second hard disk, and I have XP installed on the > >first. > > > >After the install I rebooted when asked and received a "grub geom error". > >I reinstalled again, this time seeing the message "grub" then nothing. > > > >To make Windows work again, I booted from the XP recovery CD and ran > >"fixmbr". > >A third install of FC3t3 broke the MBR again. > > > >Two questions: > > 1. Were the FC2/XP problems resolved in FC3t3? > > 2. Any ideas? :) > > > > > > > > > You need to install the bootloader on the first hard disk (I assume its > /dev/hda) - there is an option > to do so during install. > > Is your disk capacity more than 140 Gigs ? If so, have you enabled > BIOS support of large disk drives ? > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 17 08:30:55 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:30:55 +0100 Subject: pam_auth_ldap Q Message-ID: <1098001855.4625.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm struggling to get the Edirectory Ldap connector working to log NetWare user names instead of IP addresses (pam_auth_ldap I think). I know our NetWare LDAP servers are fine as other third party apps (like our library system) authenticate OK, but I can't suss Squid/Linux connections. Any clues on getting this to work on either FC2 or 3t3? TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Sun Oct 17 06:09:53 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:09:53 +0300 Subject: udev/hal/mkinitrd from development broke Message-ID: <1097993393.11013.5.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On FC3t2 I updated gnome-vfs2 to development, and it also installed hal,mkinitrd,udev to udev-038-1 hal-0.4.0-2 mkinitrd-4.1.15-1 gnome-vfs2-2.8.2-4 hal-gnome-0.4.0-2 I already had kernel-2.6.8-1.541 Sistem went fine until reboot, when Oct 17 08:41:43 marte xinetd[2576]: Started working: 2 available services Oct 17 08:41:43 marte rpcidmapd: rpc.idmapd -SIGHUP succeeded Oct 17 08:41:44 marte su(pam_unix)[2653]: session opened for user postgres by (uid=0) Oct 17 08:41:44 marte su(pam_unix)[2653]: session closed for user postgres Oct 17 08:41:45 marte postgresql: Starting postgresql service: failed Oct 17 08:41:46 marte mysqld: Starting MySQL: succeeded Oct 17 08:41:46 marte su(pam_unix)[2743]: session opened for user amavis by (uid=0) Oct 17 08:41:46 marte su: /etc/profile: line 28: /dev/null: Permission denied Oct 17 08:41:46 marte su: /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh: line 3: /dev/null: Permission denied Oct 17 08:41:46 marte su: /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh: line 4: /dev/null: Permission denied Oct 17 08:41:46 marte su: /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh: line 17: /dev/null: Permission denied Oct 17 08:41:46 marte su: /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh: line 18: /dev/null: Permission denied ... and X wouldn't start. Noticed that /dev/loop wasn't available when I tried to mount an iso with loop, but it worked after modprobe loop. Downgraded back to fc3t2, which works. -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From spam at tachegroup.com Sun Oct 17 10:39:59 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:39:59 -0400 Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3 In-Reply-To: <41712D3B.4070902@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hmm, might be, but it does not sound user friendly to me. on 10/16/2004 10:16 AM, James W. Bennett at silverhead at comcast.net wrote: > Thomas J. Baker wrote: > >> On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 18:16 -0500, James W. Bennett wrote: >> >> >>> It has become apparent to me if the grub boot loader does not get >>> properly installed you really have a big problem. Since the kernel is >>> too big to fit on a floppy you have no choice but to do a 'linux >>> rescue'. On test 3, linux rescue will not work to install grub >>> manually. Because of udev, the dev directory is not loaded during linux >>> rescue. The block devices are not mounted. I hope this will be fixed >>> before the final release. I would like during installation to have the >>> ability to write the grub boot loader to a floppy. This would be a >>> great feature. >>> >>> >>> >> >> MAKDEV is included though so you can manually make the devices you need. >> After chroot'ing to your installation, MAKDEV sd or MAKEDEV hd will give >> you the devices you need to run grub-install. >> >> tjb >> >> > Excellent suggustion- works very well > Thanks From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Oct 17 11:06:28 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:06:28 +0100 Subject: ATI bug - why is patch not applied? In-Reply-To: References: <200410161106.05344.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <200410170054.28519.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <200410171206.28494.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Sunday 17 October 2004 01:54, Vladimir Dergachev wrote: > >>> There is a bug in the ati driver which prevents me (and others) > >>> with an ATI Rage Mobility "card" on the Sony Picturebook > >>> (C1VFK in my case) from running X in more than 8bpp . > >>> > >>> A patch was submitted almost 6 months ago > >>> > >>> but does not seem to have been applied, > >>> although the bugzilla says the issue is resolved. > yum update - which version of Xorg does it download ? xorg-x11-6.8.1-6.rpm > It looks like the source that yum downloads are not from recent CVS, > otherwise the patch would not apply cleanly. I didn't try the CVS - I'm not really a tester, I just desperately wanted X to work on my Picturebook - which it does now - and followed advice to try FC3-test2. > > I don't understand why anyone would want to apply the last patch but one. > > If, for example, the previous patch was applied before the newer one > appeared. I don't think that can be the case here though - the two patches are almost 6 months old, and if as you say they are incompatible then the earlier patch must have been applied very recently, since I am able to apply the second. However, that is really beside the point.. Is there anyone I could write to, to ask them please to apply the second patch in FC3, for the sake of the fairly numerous Picturebook users? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From micoots at yahoo.com Sun Oct 17 11:57:54 2004 From: micoots at yahoo.com (Michael Mansour) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:57:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC3T2 I2O support installation t bug In-Reply-To: <4166740C.5030404@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041017115754.55466.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Warren, --- Warren Togami wrote: > Michael Mansour wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I decided to try the I2O support in FC3T2, since I > > currently run FC1 on that machine and trying to > > upgrade to FC2 fails on that server (can't detect > > disks from installation), and as I've just found > out, > > so does FC3T2. > > > > I've read the material on: > > > > http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php > > > > and they claim that they do not know of any issues > > with the driver and kernel used on the > installation > > process of FC3T2. > > > > The following is my problem. > > > > I have an Adaptec I2O SCSI RAID Controller > > BIOS V001.62 (2002/11/16) > > Model 2010S Revision 3B05 > > 32Mb of RAM > > > > Booting the FC3T2 CD, I select to add additional > > drivers and select the "I2O block" driver from the > > list. > > AFAIK manually choosing the I2O block driver from > the menu should no > longer be needed. It sounds to me like your I2O > card has some PCI ID > that the kernel module does not know about. Can you > please provide the > lspci -v and lspci -n? > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com As requested, below are the outputs for the above: [root at panther root]# cat lspci-v.txt 00:00.0 Host bridge: ServerWorks CMIC-HE (rev 22) Flags: fast devsel 00:00.1 Host bridge: ServerWorks CMIC-HE Flags: fast devsel 00:00.2 Host bridge: ServerWorks CMIC-HE Flags: fast devsel 00:00.3 Host bridge: ServerWorks CMIC-HE Flags: fast devsel 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0d) Subsystem: Intel Corp. EtherExpress PRO/100 S Server Adapter Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 Memory at fe5fd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] I/O ports at af00 [size=64] Memory at fe5a0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] Expansion ROM at fe5e0000 [disabled] [size=64K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 00:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL (rev 27) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 Memory at fd000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] I/O ports at a800 [size=256] Memory at fe5ff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Expansion ROM at fe5c0000 [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [5c] Power Management version 2 00:0f.0 ISA bridge: ServerWorks CSB5 South Bridge (rev 93) Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc: Unknown device 4355 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64 00:0f.1 IDE interface: ServerWorks CSB5 IDE Controller (rev 93) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Subsystem: TEC Corporation: Unknown device 0212 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64 I/O ports at I/O ports at I/O ports at I/O ports at I/O ports at ffa0 [size=16] 00:0f.2 USB Controller: ServerWorks OSB4/CSB5 OHCI USB Controller (rev 05) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc: Unknown device 4355 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10 Memory at fe5fe000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] 00:0f.3 Host bridge: ServerWorks CSB5 LPC bridge Subsystem: Super Micro Computer Inc: Unknown device 4355 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0 00:10.0 Host bridge: ServerWorks CIOB30 (rev 03) Flags: 66Mhz, medium devsel Capabilities: [60] PCI-X non-bridge device. 00:10.2 Host bridge: ServerWorks CIOB30 (rev 03) Flags: 66Mhz, medium devsel Capabilities: [60] PCI-X non-bridge device. 00:11.0 Host bridge: ServerWorks CIOB30 (rev 03) Flags: 66Mhz, medium devsel Capabilities: [60] PCI-X non-bridge device. 00:11.2 Host bridge: ServerWorks CIOB30 (rev 03) Flags: 66Mhz, medium devsel Capabilities: [60] PCI-X non-bridge device. 04:06.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec (formerly DPT) SmartRAID V Controller (rev 01) Subsystem: Adaptec (formerly DPT): Unknown device c035 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 9 BIST result: 00 Memory at feb00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M] Memory at fb000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at f8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] Expansion ROM at 00095000 [disabled] [size=32K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 [root at panther root]# cat lspci-n.txt 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1166:0011 (rev 22) 00:00.1 Class 0600: 1166:0011 00:00.2 Class 0600: 1166:0011 00:00.3 Class 0600: 1166:0011 00:09.0 Class 0200: 8086:1229 (rev 0d) 00:0a.0 Class 0300: 1002:4752 (rev 27) 00:0f.0 Class 0601: 1166:0201 (rev 93) 00:0f.1 Class 0101: 1166:0212 (rev 93) 00:0f.2 Class 0c03: 1166:0220 (rev 05) 00:0f.3 Class 0600: 1166:0225 00:10.0 Class 0600: 1166:0010 (rev 03) 00:10.2 Class 0600: 1166:0010 (rev 03) 00:11.0 Class 0600: 1166:0010 (rev 03) 00:11.2 Class 0600: 1166:0010 (rev 03) 04:06.0 Class 0104: 1044:a511 (rev 01) I got this output after booting off the FC3T2 first CD in rescue mode. It came up saying "can't find any hard drives" but after getting into shell, I typed the above and output/scp'ed the files to post here. Please let me know if there's anything else you require. Michael. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 13:37:02 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:37:02 -0400 Subject: udev/hal/mkinitrd from development broke In-Reply-To: <1097993393.11013.5.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1097993393.11013.5.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <604aa79104101706377b8de980@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:09:53 +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > On FC3t2 I updated gnome-vfs2 to development, and it also installed > hal,mkinitrd,udev to > udev-038-1 > hal-0.4.0-2 > mkinitrd-4.1.15-1 > gnome-vfs2-2.8.2-4 > hal-gnome-0.4.0-2 > > I already had > kernel-2.6.8-1.541 > > Sistem went fine until reboot, when My best guess is need to use the new mkinitrd and create a new initrd image for the kernel you are using. Or install the newest kernel, the post-install script of the kernel rpm uses the version of mkinitrd on system to create the initrd image. -jef From ngc4013 at cox.net Sun Oct 17 15:13:58 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:13:58 -0400 Subject: Revisit of U320 and U160 SCSI bus problems with FC3t2.91 In-Reply-To: <4169DAFE.6060006@cox.net> References: <4169DAFE.6060006@cox.net> Message-ID: <41728C36.5090708@cox.net> Bill Cronk wrote: > I have consistantly had problems with booting systems which have a > JBOD RAID box and FC2 or FC3t2.91. The problem remains the same and > the work around I figured out is only temporary. > > ----- CUT ----- > So now I ask the questions... Why?? Any further info needed? Can > someone else setup a RAID box and recreate the problem to confirm that > there are issues in FC2 and FC3 with RAID durring the boot cycle? So > far it happens with a 144GB, 324GB, 657GB, and 2TB RAID boxes > configured as either RAID0 or RAID5, on internal U160 or U320 SCSI > ports and an addon U320 Adaptec card. > > I think there is an issue with the events durring the boot cycle in > that it tries to mount the RAID before the RAID configuration sets the > RAID up. > > Bill > The suggestion Tom made to change the hard drive ID to 'Linux Raid Autodetect' seems to have worked just fine. I am amazed that I could not find any reference to this need in any documentation I have or I just completely missed it again!! Also there is only a single device file such as /dev/md0 and no more /dev/md? existing. So I tried to do 'mknod -m 660 /dev/md1 b 9 1' which works fine, then chgrp disk /dev/md1' which works fine and then I can get the second RAID online. However, if I reboot then any added in /dev/md? all go away leaving the original /dev/md0. ???? I don't have a clue and I can reproduce it on two different installs of FC3 and an FC2 install. Now another question has come up, seems that any RAID box built on another machine or on a different install instance, presents a problem when hooking up two RAID boxes together on one server with a dual SCSI port. The existing RAID box seems to have certain parameters burried into the superblocks regarding whether it was setup previously as /dev/md0, 1, 2... so on. This is a problem if two RAID boxes need to be moved to a new server and they both were originally setup as /dev/md0 connections. How do you get around this without rebuilding the box and blowing away the data? I also seem to be experiencing a problem of SCSI RAID detection order versus SCSI RAID mount order... seems to be flipped when they mount, but this could be an artifact related to my previous question regarding parameters burried in the superblocks. Bill From veillard at redhat.com Sun Oct 17 16:10:16 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:10:16 -0400 Subject: Intel I8xx video problem In-Reply-To: <41717619.2000109@sbcglobal.net> References: <1097951157.3222.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41717619.2000109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041017161016.GJ17852@redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 03:27:21PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > Mike Lurk wrote: > >In addition to my last email the Xorg-X11 release that worked the best > >was Xorg-X11 6.8.1-4. With the addition of the line in xorg.config (as > >in the previous email). Everything worked properly. I found out it was > >Xorg that was killing X not the kernel. Right now I am running kernel > >2.6.8-1.624 and everything is ok, openGL is a little slow but that is > >about it. > > > >Mike > > > > Just as another point of data, I am running xorg-x11-6.8.1-6 and > reverted to kernel-2.6.8-1.541 and am using 1280x1024 @ 24bpp. I have no > options inserted in the xorg.conf (All NoAccel and the individualized > parameters are commented out). > Also, this problem appeared to me before upgrading X. I believe the -607 > kernel worked with the older versions of X. It did not work after > upgrading xorg-x11 though. > Basically, both X and the kernel seem to have some interaction. > > Jim > > --------------------------------- > most recent xorg-x11 changes: > Add xorg-x11-6.8.1-disable-dri-option.patch, which adds XF86Free-DRI > to the list of extensions that can be disabled using the -extension > command line switch. might be an rhgb/xorg-x11 related problem. Try to run with the latest rhgb-0.14.1-1 and the latest xorg-x11 with the XF86Free-DRI extension patch. This may solve a lot of problems. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From rpa4email at rogers.com Sun Oct 17 16:18:00 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: KMail Links + Firefox Browser Message-ID: <200410171218.00616.rpa4email@rogers.com> Hello ... I discovered quite by accident that there is a problem with links in KMail & FireFox when I recently had trouble with Evolution. If I click on a link in a mail message when the browser loads all images are broken as well as all referneces to ccs files, and other resources because the URI is something like: file:///var/tmp/kdecache-fido/krun/27670.0.fedora.php This only happens with Firefox. Mozilla & Konquerer show the proper URI (in this case): http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php Has anyone else experienced this? If so has it been bugzilla'd and where should itr be reported, Redhat or upstream? Thanks. Rob. From b.akins at verizon.net Sun Oct 17 16:18:35 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:18:35 -0400 Subject: /etc/ld.so.conf missing Qt library directory In-Reply-To: References: <200410150322.23527.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200410171218.36663.b.akins@verizon.net> On Friday 15 October 2004 08:01 am, ne... wrote: > On Oct 15, 2004 at 03:22, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: > >checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not > > found. Please check your installation! > >For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. > >Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support! > > > >after adding the library directory /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/, still unable to > >compile any program depend on Qt > > Did you install the qt devel rpms? > > N.Emile... > -- > Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) > Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 > Pardon me. > 08:00:31 up 109 days, 1:15, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Thanks, the latest qt and qt-devel solved the problem. From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 16:25:08 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:25:08 -0400 Subject: Firefox -- should "check for updates" be disabled? In-Reply-To: <20041017044547.GA21907@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041017044547.GA21907@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:45:48 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > It's nice that Firefox has a built-in check-for-updates feature. But, I > think it should be disabled by default (or even patched out) on Fedora Core. newest firefox build in development should have this disabled. rpm -q --changelog firefox |head * Sat Oct 16 2004 Christopher Aillon 0:0.10.1-1.0PR1.12 - Disable the default application checks. (#133713) - Disable the software update feature. (#136017) * Wed Oct 13 2004 Christopher Blizzard - Use pango for rendering From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 17 16:30:16 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:30:16 -0400 Subject: up2date problem with already installed redhat-artwork Message-ID: <41729E18.4040602@speakeasy.net> My latest attempt to run up2date is failing consistently with this message: rhgb 0.14.1 1 x86_64 rhn-applet 2.1.15 2 x86_64 rp-pppoe 3.5 22 x86_64 rpm 4.3.2 13 x86_64 rpm-build 4.3.2 13 x86_64 rpm-devel 4.3.2 13 x86_64 rpm-libs 4.3.2 13 x86_64 rpm-python 4.3.2 13 x86_64 shadow-utils 4.0.3 35 x86_64 system-config-securitylevel 1.4.12 1 x86_64 system-config-securitylevel-tui 1.4.12 1 x86_64 tcl 8.4.7 2 x86_64 udev 038 2 x86_64 vixie-cron 4.1 19 x86_64 vte 0.11.11 6 x86_64 ypbind 1.17.2 3 x86_64 Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... ######################################## RPM package conflict error. The message was: Test install failed because of package conflicts: The following packages were added to your selection to satisfy dependencies: Name Version Release -------------------------------------------------------------- redhat-artwork 0.115 1 redhat-artwork 0.115 1 package redhat-artwork-0.115-1 is already installed Bob From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sun Oct 17 16:49:59 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:49:59 +0200 Subject: Firefox -- should "check for updates" be disabled? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041017044547.GA21907@jadzia.bu.edu> <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041017184959.0c73e844.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:25:08 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:45:48 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > It's nice that Firefox has a built-in check-for-updates feature. But, I > > think it should be disabled by default (or even patched out) on Fedora Core. > newest firefox build in development should have this disabled. > > rpm -q --changelog firefox |head > * Sat Oct 16 2004 Christopher Aillon 0:0.10.1-1.0PR1.12 > > - Disable the default application checks. (#133713) > - Disable the software update feature. (#136017) > > * Wed Oct 13 2004 Christopher Blizzard > > - Use pango for rendering Could be that these changes only make it into newly created user profiles. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 0.24 0.19 0.14 From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sun Oct 17 16:51:55 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:51:55 -0500 Subject: up2date problem with already installed redhat-artwork In-Reply-To: <41729E18.4040602@speakeasy.net> References: <41729E18.4040602@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1098031915.3095.32.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 12:30 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > My latest attempt to run up2date is failing consistently with this message: > > rhgb 0.14.1 1 > x86_64 > rhn-applet 2.1.15 2 > x86_64 > rp-pppoe 3.5 22 > x86_64 > rpm 4.3.2 13 > x86_64 > rpm-build 4.3.2 13 > x86_64 > rpm-devel 4.3.2 13 > x86_64 > rpm-libs 4.3.2 13 > x86_64 > rpm-python 4.3.2 13 > x86_64 > shadow-utils 4.0.3 35 > x86_64 > system-config-securitylevel 1.4.12 1 > x86_64 > system-config-securitylevel-tui 1.4.12 1 > x86_64 > tcl 8.4.7 2 > x86_64 > udev 038 2 > x86_64 > vixie-cron 4.1 19 > x86_64 > vte 0.11.11 6 > x86_64 > ypbind 1.17.2 3 > x86_64 > > > Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... > ######################################## > RPM package conflict error. The message was: > Test install failed because of package conflicts: > The following packages were added to your selection to satisfy dependencies: > Name Version Release > -------------------------------------------------------------- > redhat-artwork 0.115 1 > redhat-artwork 0.115 1 > > package redhat-artwork-0.115-1 is already installed > > Bob IIRC I had this problem with a different package. I had to uninstall that package, let up2date install it and then everything worked out. -- A: Because people read from top to bottom Q: Why is top posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From mattdm at mattdm.org Sun Oct 17 16:55:08 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:55:08 -0400 Subject: Firefox -- should "check for updates" be disabled? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041017044547.GA21907@jadzia.bu.edu> <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041017165508.GA21465@jadzia.bu.edu> On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 12:25:08PM -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > It's nice that Firefox has a built-in check-for-updates feature. But, I > > think it should be disabled by default (or even patched out) on Fedora Core. > newest firefox build in development should have this disabled. > rpm -q --changelog firefox |head > * Sat Oct 16 2004 Christopher Aillon 0:0.10.1-1.0PR1.12 > - Disable the default application checks. (#133713) > - Disable the software update feature. (#136017) Heh. Right then. That update wasn't in my rawhide mirror when I'd looked. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 16:59:26 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:59:26 +0100 Subject: Slow response from Fedora Message-ID: I've only upgraded to FC3 test3 (from FC3 test2) yesterday, but I'm fully caught up with up2date. I'm noticing a problem with nautilus that may or may not be new. (I normally use the shell prompt to delete, move and copy files.) Nautilus, and File Browser, take a minute or more to respond to deletes. * Open your home directory * click on a file * press the delete key * Nautilus and file browser are unresponsive for a minute or more. Eventually, the file *is* deleted, though, since it doesn't seem to be the same problem already noted in Bugzilla (needing to press the delete key twice). Anyone else seeing this? From smooge at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 17:13:48 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:13:48 -0600 Subject: Slow response from Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e4090410171013522b3505@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:59:26 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > I've only upgraded to FC3 test3 (from FC3 test2) yesterday, but I'm > fully caught up with up2date. I'm noticing a problem with nautilus > that may or may not be new. (I normally use the shell prompt to > delete, move and copy files.) Nautilus, and File Browser, take a > minute or more to respond to deletes. > > * Open your home directory > * click on a file > * press the delete key > * Nautilus and file browser are unresponsive for a minute or more. > My slowness is in evolution to display even simple html pages. Takes 2 minutes.. thunderbird puts it up immediately. [Not trying to promote thunderbird as much as figure out if somehting is wrong with evolution.] -- Stephen J Smoogen. Professional System Administrator From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 17 17:24:59 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:24:59 -0400 Subject: up2date problem with already installed redhat-artwork In-Reply-To: <1098031915.3095.32.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <41729E18.4040602@speakeasy.net> <1098031915.3095.32.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <4172AAEB.6050903@speakeasy.net> Thomas Cameron wrote: >On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 12:30 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > >>My latest attempt to run up2date is failing consistently with this message: >> >>rhgb 0.14.1 1 >>x86_64 >>rhn-applet 2.1.15 2 >>x86_64 >>rp-pppoe 3.5 22 >>x86_64 >>rpm 4.3.2 13 >>x86_64 >>rpm-build 4.3.2 13 >>x86_64 >>rpm-devel 4.3.2 13 >>x86_64 >>rpm-libs 4.3.2 13 >>x86_64 >>rpm-python 4.3.2 13 >>x86_64 >>shadow-utils 4.0.3 35 >>x86_64 >>system-config-securitylevel 1.4.12 1 >>x86_64 >>system-config-securitylevel-tui 1.4.12 1 >>x86_64 >>tcl 8.4.7 2 >>x86_64 >>udev 038 2 >>x86_64 >>vixie-cron 4.1 19 >>x86_64 >>vte 0.11.11 6 >>x86_64 >>ypbind 1.17.2 3 >>x86_64 >> >> >>Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... >>######################################## >>RPM package conflict error. The message was: >>Test install failed because of package conflicts: >>The following packages were added to your selection to satisfy dependencies: >>Name Version Release >>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>redhat-artwork 0.115 1 >>redhat-artwork 0.115 1 >> >>package redhat-artwork-0.115-1 is already installed >> >>Bob >> >> > >IIRC I had this problem with a different package. I had to uninstall >that package, let up2date install it and then everything worked out. > > > HelixPlayer-1.0.1.gold-6 seems to be the problem. All the other packages installed fine. From an037-0m26i at yahoo.com Sun Oct 17 17:45:41 2004 From: an037-0m26i at yahoo.com (Allen Kistler) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:45:41 -0500 Subject: udev/hal/mkinitrd from development broke In-Reply-To: <1097993393.11013.5.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1097993393.11013.5.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <4172AFC5.5090302@yahoo.com> Marius Andreiana wrote: > On FC3t2 I updated gnome-vfs2 to development, and it also installed > hal,mkinitrd,udev to > udev-038-1 > hal-0.4.0-2 > mkinitrd-4.1.15-1 > gnome-vfs2-2.8.2-4 > hal-gnome-0.4.0-2 > > [snip] I don't get those errors. Instead I get ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! Both in the initrd and (I think) right after starting rc.sysinit. You have to watch for the error to go by during boot, because it isn't recorded in any log files. I haven't actually found anything that doesn't work, but I haven't looked that hard yet. udevstart after the machine is up runs without error. From ngc4013 at cox.net Sun Oct 17 20:01:19 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:01:19 -0400 Subject: Revisit of U320 and U160 SCSI bus problems with FC3t3 Message-ID: <4172CF8F.30800@cox.net> Okay so now I realize there is something called 'udev' and that is probably why the created devices go away at reboot. What is the most straight forward way to create a new device for an add on RAID box? Of course I am now going off to read the man pages, but any suggestions would help so I can get this done quickly. Thanks, Bill From rodd at clarkson.id.au Sun Oct 17 20:51:24 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:51:24 +1000 Subject: NetworkManagerInfo not finding rt2400 Wireless PCMCIA card (which is active) In-Reply-To: <1097808057.3933.1.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> References: <1097734904.10838.16.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1097759533.1698.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097808057.3933.1.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> Message-ID: <1098046284.3742.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 12:40 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 09:12 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 16:21 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > > > When I run NetworkManagerInfo I get: > > > > > > [rodd at clownfish tmp]$ NetworkManagerInfo > > > [rodd at clownfish tmp]$ nmwa_dbus_get_string(): org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.NoActiveDevice raised: > > > There is no currently active device. > > > > Can you get the output of: > > > > lshal | grep ra0 > > > > and paste it here? NetworkManager doesn't know about cards that hal > > doesn't know about, and NetworkManager will only use cards that hal sets > > the "net.interface" property on. So if hal doesn't know about your > > card, NM won't know about it either. > > [root at clownfish etc]# lshal | grep ra0 > lshal version 0.2.98.cvs20040929 > net.interface = 'ra0' (string) > net.linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/net/ra0' (string) > linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/net/ra0' (string) > [root at clownfish etc]# This still isn't working for me. Should I bugzilla this? Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From david at fubar.dk Sun Oct 17 22:02:35 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:02:35 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 16:16 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > I would > rather like to know how to replace this "exec" by "noexec,nodev" - > for example - but maybe one day this black magic will be also > revealed. :-) You can just put a file called my-storage-policy.fdi or something else ending in .fdi into /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy with this content false true<\/merge> true to achieve this. All the various keys and the XML format is described in this document (a little bit out of date, but not much) http://freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html which I, at some point, hope to include with the hal-devel package in /usr/share/doc/hal- at version@/spec and make the man page for fstab- sync point to it. It probably wont make FC3 though. Thanks, David From david at fubar.dk Sun Oct 17 22:05:14 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:05:14 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098050714.9143.0.camel@davidz> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 16:16 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > I would > rather like to know how to replace this "exec" by "noexec,nodev" - > for example - but maybe one day this black magic will be also > revealed. :-) You can just put a file called my-storage-policy.fdi or something else ending in .fdi into /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy with this content false true<\/merge> true to achieve this. All the various keys and the XML format is described in this document (a little bit out of date, but not much) http://freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html which I, at some point, hope to include with the hal-devel package in /usr/share/doc/hal- at version@/spec and make the man page for fstab- sync point to it. It probably wont make FC3 though. Thanks, David From david at fubar.dk Sun Oct 17 22:05:14 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:05:14 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098050714.9143.0.camel@davidz> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 16:16 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > I would > rather like to know how to replace this "exec" by "noexec,nodev" - > for example - but maybe one day this black magic will be also > revealed. :-) You can just put a file called my-storage-policy.fdi or something else ending in .fdi into /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy with this content false true<\/merge> true to achieve this. All the various keys and the XML format is described in this document (a little bit out of date, but not much) http://freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html which I, at some point, hope to include with the hal-devel package in /usr/share/doc/hal- at version@/spec and make the man page for fstab- sync point to it. It probably wont make FC3 though. Thanks, David From kmaraas at broadpark.no Sun Oct 17 23:14:31 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:14:31 +0200 Subject: Character encoding? In-Reply-To: <1097911923.20378.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097859122.3506.52.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097861242.24561.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097879287.3506.111.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1097911923.20378.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098054871.4238.6.camel@home.gnome.no> l?r, 16,.10.2004 kl. 09.32 +0200, skrev Matias F?liciano: > Le vendredi 15 octobre 2004 ? 16:28 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > > On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 19:27 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > Perhaps you use UTF8 and windows clients do not support UTF8. > > > Check in evolution. > > > > > > > Did Evolution move to UTF-8 in 2.0.x? If so, then I acquired this > > behavior when I installed FC3-T2, which would make sense. > > > > Since I'm not likely to change the Windows world in the near future, are > > there any suggested workarounds? > > Yes. Check in evolution. > In French (because my current locale) : > menu : > Sub-menu : > tab : > Widget : > > > > Can I add a header to my email so they > > will see the right characters? > > Normally this should be already done. > Here I have : "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8" > > > Or must *I* switch character sets to > > humor them? > > You want to talk to Windows, so talk the Windows language and unset > UTF-8 :-) > Windows handles UTF-8 just fine, but some mail clients don't. This goes for older Linux distros as well as other OSes. I've had no problems with Outlook and UTF-8 the last couple of years (since Outlook 2000) and we hit this bump in the road bigtime when we switched messaging platforms and decided to go with UTF-8 as the default encoding two years ago. Things are looking better now though, but the major pain in the butt is the amount of broken webmail systems installed at various ISPs. Cheers Kjartan From michal at harddata.com Sun Oct 17 23:56:31 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:56:31 -0600 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 06:02:35PM -0400 References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 06:02:35PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 16:16 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > I would > > rather like to know how to replace this "exec" by "noexec,nodev" - > > for example - but maybe one day this black magic will be also > > revealed. :-) > > You can just put a file called my-storage-policy.fdi or something else > ending in .fdi into /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy with this content ..... [ Bunch of XML snipped ] ..... Yes, that what I thought more or less but I did not have a time to go carefuly enough through all that XML. This is quite "noisy" and it is easy to miss something. Interestingly enough at least a USB floppy (a regular floppy seem to need some tuning at the moment) actually mounts 'noexec,nodev,nosuid', like it should, even if a corresponding /etc/fstab entry says "exec". Still in a position of a system administarator I would rather have /etc/fstab spell out such options instead on relying that some program doing real mounts, which may be replaced by a broken version one day, "knows better" and will do the actual mount in a more restrictive manner. Besides in years of experience I found over and over again that things which "know better" what do you want, does not matter if beneficial or not in the given moment, will _invariably_ turn out to be a major PITA one day in manners which you cannot predict right now. I do not mean good defaults here but a magic behind scenes which changes things on its own in an opaque way. We always lack an imagination; and those who think that they don't are doubly wrong. Therefore in my opinion although results of a floppy mount turn out to be, in general, right that this is done in a totally wrong place and, yes, this matters. Michal From byte at aeon.com.my Mon Oct 18 00:33:26 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:33:26 +1000 Subject: Kernel Panic on JFS install of test 3 In-Reply-To: <4171685D.708@margo.bijoux.nom.br> References: <4171685D.708@margo.bijoux.nom.br> Message-ID: <1098059606.4247.85.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 04:28, Pedro Fernandes Macedo wrote: > I've just tried to install test 3 on my system here using JFS (to check > if an old JFS crashing bug was fixed - bug number 122603) and found > other bug... selinux=0 I presume > The install now works fine , but upon reboot , the system fails to > boot.. the messages I get are these: > > Loading jfs.ko module > Creating root device > mkrootdev: label /1 not found > Mounting root filesystem > mount: error 2 mounting jfs > mount: error 2 mounting none Remove mount by labels in /etc/fstab and pass the actual device name, and see if that works (so re-mount in rescue mode, to fix) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From ngc4013 at cox.net Mon Oct 18 02:01:39 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:01:39 -0400 Subject: Revisit of U320 and U160 SCSI bus problems with FC3t3 Message-ID: <41732403.5000303@cox.net> Well I didn't read the Software RAID Howto well enough the first time... found the mention of changing the drive ID to 'fd'. So now I need to figure out tomorrow how to fix the udev situation with setting up more than one RAID box on multiple SCSI ports on one server. Any input related to a quick solution to adding what's needed in the udev files to setup the extra RAID box would be most graciously accepted. Bill From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 02:04:47 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:04:47 -0400 Subject: Intel I8xx video problem In-Reply-To: <20041017161016.GJ17852@redhat.com> References: <1097951157.3222.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41717619.2000109@sbcglobal.net> <20041017161016.GJ17852@redhat.com> Message-ID: <417324BF.5030103@sbcglobal.net> Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 03:27:21PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: > >>Mike Lurk wrote: >> >>>In addition to my last email the Xorg-X11 release that worked the best >>>was Xorg-X11 6.8.1-4. With the addition of the line in xorg.config (as >>>in the previous email). Everything worked properly. I found out it was >>>Xorg that was killing X not the kernel. Right now I am running kernel >>>2.6.8-1.624 and everything is ok, openGL is a little slow but that is >>>about it. >>> >>>Mike >>> >> >>Just as another point of data, I am running xorg-x11-6.8.1-6 and >>reverted to kernel-2.6.8-1.541 and am using 1280x1024 @ 24bpp. I have no >>options inserted in the xorg.conf (All NoAccel and the individualized >>parameters are commented out). >>Also, this problem appeared to me before upgrading X. I believe the -607 >>kernel worked with the older versions of X. It did not work after >>upgrading xorg-x11 though. >>Basically, both X and the kernel seem to have some interaction. >> >>Jim >> >>--------------------------------- >>most recent xorg-x11 changes: >> Add xorg-x11-6.8.1-disable-dri-option.patch, which adds XF86Free-DRI >> to the list of extensions that can be disabled using the -extension >> command line switch. > > > might be an rhgb/xorg-x11 related problem. Try to run with the latest > rhgb-0.14.1-1 and the latest xorg-x11 with the XF86Free-DRI extension > patch. This may solve a lot of problems. > > Daniel > I usually boot using runlevel 3 and without rhgb. After some reading of the bug report and mention of a possible interference from rhgb, I added rhgb 5 to my grub.conf file. The performance of X was the same, with or without rhgb. A strange item with the rhgb that I tried was that it would keep switching between the brief presentation screen and the detail screen. I usually try to run in detailed mode and had to click the details button several times. When I allowed rhgb to boot in the brief mode, it would switch between detailed and brief mode at different times, while booting. Also, at the screen resolution that I usually use, dri is not active. If I run at a resolution and bpp that allows dri to be enabled, it is not the refresh problem that is present. The problem only was that switching to a regular terminal would completely kill the server. (As noted by Mike Klinke) Anyway, I'll boot with the latest version of rhgb and note the improvements made to rhgb and to see if any interaction with X can be detected. Thanks, Jim From maze at cela.pl Mon Oct 18 02:22:37 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: strace on FC2 with 64 bit lseek Message-ID: Hi! on 32bit x86 the 64bit _llseek seems to be badly parsed by strace. lseek64(fd,0x80000000ULL,SEEK_SET); results in a strace: _llseek(3, 18446744071562067968, [2147483648], SEEK_SET) = 0 instead of: _llseek(3, 2147483648, [2147483648], SEEK_SET) = 0 note that 18446744071562067968 == 0xFFFFFFFF80000000, so basically somehow 0x80000000 is turning into 0xFFFFFFFF80000000. Can anyone confirm this - or am I totally lost here? As far as I can tell the problem is definetely with strace, passing in the correct parameters by hand via asm into the kernel still results in a wrong strace, and the kernel accepts the values and allows the seek, and returns the expected value as the result. Cheers, MaZe. From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 02:25:50 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:25:50 -0700 Subject: Personal Calendar Applications??? Message-ID: I hope there's an Open Source software that's similar to Apple iCal, I' tried Evolution, but It's seems to be more focused on e-Mail functionality, Right now I'm using PHPicalendar running on localhost webserver and mysql, but services like those are too heavy on my P4 home pc. I hope they will include a Personal Calendar Applications similar to iCal for FC3 Final. From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 02:36:37 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:36:37 -0700 Subject: HTML/XML Application. Message-ID: Does GNOME or KDE have this functionality? to run an HTML directly? under Windows XP, just rename the HTML file to HTA and it would run the file just like a normal application. I've heard Mozilla have it's XUL functionality that does the same, but I could not make it work? Microsoft Longhorn's concept videos run XML file directly. http://msdn.microsoft.com/Longhorn/productinfo/conceptvid/default.aspx Will features like this be on the priority list? -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless From cochranb at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 18 02:50:36 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:50:36 -0400 Subject: HTML/XML Application. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41732F7C.5000903@speakeasy.net> There is a book titled "Rapid Application Development In Mozilla" by Nigel McFarlane which is extremely good. I think you should look it over. The dyanmics of Mozilla application development will probably supersede that in Microsoft Windows "Longhorn". The Internet Explorer development team has done next to nothing in recent years while the Mozilla developers have made release after release incorporating new browser and application development features. Bob joelbryan wrote: >Does GNOME or KDE have this functionality? to run an HTML directly? >under Windows XP, just rename the HTML file to HTA and it would run >the file just like a normal application. >I've heard Mozilla have it's XUL functionality that does the same, but >I could not make it work? >Microsoft Longhorn's concept videos run XML file directly. >http://msdn.microsoft.com/Longhorn/productinfo/conceptvid/default.aspx >Will features like this be on the priority list? > > > From biped at comcast.net Mon Oct 18 03:16:30 2004 From: biped at comcast.net (Marcus Schuetz) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:16:30 -0400 Subject: Personal Calendar Applications??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4173358E.2070009@comcast.net> joelbryan wrote: > I hope there's an Open Source software that's similar to Apple iCal, > I' tried Evolution, but It's seems to be more focused on e-Mail functionality, > Right now I'm using PHPicalendar running on localhost webserver and > mysql, but services like those are too heavy on my P4 home pc. > > I hope they will include a Personal Calendar Applications similar to > iCal for FC3 Final. > How about Sunbird, the Mozilla standlalone calendar (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/index.html)? Since it's at version 0.2a I doubt it is ready for prime time yet, let alone FC3 Final, but for me it works just fine. HTH, Marcus From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 03:33:39 2004 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:33:39 -0400 Subject: Personal Calendar Applications??? In-Reply-To: <4173358E.2070009@comcast.net> References: <4173358E.2070009@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have actually found it works quite nicely. Supports iCal, downloads nicely as a 700kb plugin for firefox or mozilla. I have to admit I am not a calendar junkie, so I can't comment on the poweruser features. It does allow me to download the release schedule for Fedora Core ;-). -Jon On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:16:30 -0400, Marcus Schuetz wrote: > joelbryan wrote: > > I hope there's an Open Source software that's similar to Apple iCal, > > I' tried Evolution, but It's seems to be more focused on e-Mail functionality, > > Right now I'm using PHPicalendar running on localhost webserver and > > mysql, but services like those are too heavy on my P4 home pc. > > > > I hope they will include a Personal Calendar Applications similar to > > iCal for FC3 Final. > > > How about Sunbird, the Mozilla standlalone calendar > (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/index.html)? Since it's at > version 0.2a I doubt it is ready for prime time yet, let alone FC3 > Final, but for me it works just fine. > > HTH, > > Marcus > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From david at fubar.dk Mon Oct 18 03:49:26 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:49:26 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 17:56 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 06:02:35PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 16:16 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > I would > > > rather like to know how to replace this "exec" by "noexec,nodev" - > > > for example - but maybe one day this black magic will be also > > > revealed. :-) > > > > You can just put a file called my-storage-policy.fdi or something else > > ending in .fdi into /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy with this content > ..... > [ Bunch of XML snipped ] > ..... > Yes, that what I thought more or less but I did not have a time to > go carefuly enough through all that XML. This is quite "noisy" and > it is easy to miss something. > Well, yeah, XML is not the most readable format, and perhaps it's a bit verbose. There's a bunch of other good things about XML I'm sure you appreciate though. > Interestingly enough at least a USB floppy (a regular floppy seem to > need some tuning at the moment) actually mounts 'noexec,nodev,nosuid', > like it should, even if a corresponding /etc/fstab entry says > "exec". Right; fstab-sync needs to be a bit smarter about putting the 'pamconsole', 'user', 'users' and perhaps other options before that because mount(1) does rely on the order. That is another bug I am going to fix. > Still in a position of a system administarator I would > rather have /etc/fstab spell out such options instead on relying > that some program doing real mounts, which may be replaced by a > broken version one day, "knows better" and will do the actual mount > in a more restrictive manner. But /etc/fstab does spell out the options for you - these are generated from the policy specified from the storage-policy.fdi file when drives/media is detected. Btw, some distributions don't even rely on the /etc/fstab file anymore. They use a policy mount wrapper which is kind of interesting as one such program could interact with the user. For instance a system admin could configure this mount wrapper to ask the user a password if the user wants to mount non-readonly. Or even deny usage of the device to the user if it's not authorized by the system administrator (sysadm could leave a cookie using public-key encryption etc. etc.). Or something. I think that is an interesting approach. > Besides in years of experience I found over and over again that > things which "know better" what do you want, does not matter if > beneficial or not in the given moment, will _invariably_ turn out to > be a major PITA one day in manners which you cannot predict right > now. I do not mean good defaults here but a magic behind scenes > which changes things on its own in an opaque way. We always lack an > imagination; and those who think that they don't are doubly wrong. > Certainly. > Therefore in my opinion although results of a floppy mount turn out > to be, in general, right that this is done in a totally wrong place > and, yes, this matters. > Then how do you propose the default options for a device previously unknown to the system, say, a hotplugged USB floppy drive or IEEE1394 hard disk should be specified? Remember, this used to be hardcoded in the fstab-sync sources, now it's totally configurable - in fact perhaps a bit too configurable in my view. But this is what people like you, that like total control of their system, asked for and now I have implemented it. Besides, we're aiming for a secure system that works out of the box so the need to ever touch the default configuration should be little. While I agree this is more complicated, I submit there is absolutely no magic going on here - the transformation from the properties in storage- policy.fdi file and others to what gets added to the /etc/fstab is both well-defined and documented. If you have a patch to clarify the documentation I'll be happy to review it. David From camille_zavala at hotmail.com Mon Oct 18 03:48:18 2004 From: camille_zavala at hotmail.com (Camille Zavala) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:48:18 -0700 Subject: HTML/XML Application. References: Message-ID: > Microsoft Longhorn's concept videos run XML file directly. > http://msdn.microsoft.com/Longhorn/productinfo/conceptvid/default.aspx A cynical person would point out that Longhorn is vaporware. It will continue to be chiefly a gleam in a marketing department's eye for at least another year. If I really wanted to manipulate the system, I'd create a demo video showing some droolworthy feature for a software release that's planned for over a year off. In the meantime I'll let my competitors kill themselves to put equivalent features into their shipping releases. Then when I finally ship my product, I can say "Oops, we had to slip the droolworthy feature for a future release. Sorry about that, everybody, but look at the shiny new things we have planned for our next release!" From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 18 04:46:44 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:46:44 -0600 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:49:26PM -0400 References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> > > Then how do you propose the default options for a device previously > unknown to the system, say, a hotplugged USB floppy drive or IEEE1394 > hard disk should be specified? Removable media, like floppy or CD should IMO by default have fstab entries 'nosuid,nodev,noexec'. Something obviously knows about floppies hence I commented that the resulting mount was "right". The problem is that resulting mount options were not those which showed up in /etc/fstab. As for firewire hard disk the issue is indeed more complicated but I would also rather think that a general default should be 'nosuid,nodev,noexec'. If not then "owning" a machine where I can plug-in some firewire or zip disk, where I prepared myself some rudimentary system beforehand looks rather simple. You can try to guard against that by changing ownership of everything there to "console owner" but the later is not always well defined. Moreover if I can create there "device files" which I own then this looks like a perfect avenue for an attack. > Remember, this used to be hardcoded in the fstab-sync sources, now it's > totally configurable - in fact perhaps a bit too configurable in my > view. Perhaps. My trouble is that too much seems to be opaque. Maybe once we will get more familiar with the whole thing this perception will change. After all a manual page for fstab-sync showed up only recently. :-) Owners should be able to configure their systems any way they please; only consequences of doing this or that should be clear. > But this is what people like you, that like total control of their > system, asked for and now I have implemented it. Well, if someone else is controlling my system then this is not my system anymore. If you think that you can foresee all circumstances in which my system will be used then it is certain that in some moment you will screw up, most likely indirectly, both its security and usability. I do not know now how this will happen but I do know that it will. > Besides, we're aiming > for a secure system that works out of the box so the need to ever touch > the default configuration should be little. That is why I think that options in /etc/fstab should default to safer ones then what we are seeing right now. I understand that something overrides mount options tightening up security but why do I have to rely that this something will not "forget" do to that? Any particular reasons? > While I agree this is more complicated, I submit there is absolutely no > magic going on here - the transformation from the properties in storage- > policy.fdi file and others to what gets added to the /etc/fstab is both > well-defined and documented. Here I am not that convinced. There is "exec" there now and automatically created /etc/fstab enteries have "exec" option clearly spelled out. But if I put a floppy in suddenly it is mounted "noexec". That is why I am talking about "magic". OTOH if I had good reasons to mount floppies "exec" then what? Yes, I know that as root I can do that but I do _not want_ in a normal operation anybody running as root. This is a straight road to a Windoze madness. Michal From MOPO3 at freemail.lt Mon Oct 18 08:15:41 2004 From: MOPO3 at freemail.lt (MOPO3) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:15:41 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core 3 test 3 installation References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net><604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com><4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net><20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com><1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz><20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com><1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <060701c4b4ea$a8921770$8c5ca8c0@pashatest> Hi All, When I am trying to Install FC3t3 from DVD(downloaded from official site), i am getting this : Select where the packages is : If I select CD-ROM , I am always getting back to the selection menu :( What is this ? There are no packages on Fc3t3 DVD ? From joelbryanster at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 09:13:45 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:13:45 -0700 Subject: What cause floppy drive to be busy? Message-ID: What cause the floppy drive to be busy, whenever I use another software to write to it, and when I try to mount the floppy under Terminal and exit from it (so I always use the GUI mount features). Even when the software is closed (ie, OpenOffice.org, GiMP) still have problem unmounting it. Should I bug report this? -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless From ayates1 at lsu.edu Mon Oct 18 05:48:41 2004 From: ayates1 at lsu.edu (Adam Yates) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:48:41 -0500 Subject: anaconda issue possibly Message-ID: <41735939.908@lsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Humm, that's why I receive so many executable windows viruses renamed to .hta in my junk mailbox... -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From fiveacres at stardel.com Mon Oct 18 11:41:49 2004 From: fiveacres at stardel.com (Elaine Normandy) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:41:49 -0600 Subject: lftp Message-ID: <4173ABFD.3080500@stardel.com> I happened to notice that my cpu usage had pegged at 100%, and when I did a top lftp was the top process running. Since I did not start lftp myself, I am feeling rather paranoid about how it did get started, and wondered if anyone here can shed some light. I am running FC3T3. -- Elaine Normandy Weblog: http://www.stardel.com/fiveacres/ From linux at pyves.ch Mon Oct 18 12:08:17 2004 From: linux at pyves.ch (Pierre-Yves Berger) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:08:17 +0200 Subject: Floppy install of FC3-T3 In-Reply-To: <1097882566.3506.132.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097882566.3506.132.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <653859E4-20FE-11D9-BC9E-0003930A3872@pyves.ch> On 16 oct. 04, at 01:22, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Hi: > > I *do* realize that there are several ways to boot from a floppy when > you need to install a machine which is old, has floppy and CD-ROM, but > will not boot from said CD-ROM. > > However, I am honestly finding the options rather confusing; and this > weekend I hoped to use an old box I just acquired to begin testing my > "minimal" install of FC3-T3 so I can rewrite my HOWTO's and submit some > suggestions to Bugzilla. > > Would anyone be so kind as to point me to the right docs for the > simplest or easiest way to boot the install from floppy? I'm trying to > install FC3-T3 on a PPro-200 with 64MB RAM, a 2GB disk, a CD-ROM, a > floppy, and a 3Com network card. I do have another Linux server on the > network with FTP/HTTP servers... I do not yet know how to use NFS. > > Thanks for any advice... I promise it will be used to test FC3. > > Cheers, > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz > -- Hello, The option I choosed is Smart Boot Manager ( http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html ). I used it to boot on a floppy and picked the CD for the rest of the boot. I used it to install FC2 on older systems that could not boot directly on CD. Regards, Pierre-Yves Berger From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 18 12:43:08 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:43:08 -0400 Subject: Personal Calendar Applications??? In-Reply-To: References: <4173358E.2070009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4173BA5C.6050805@hpcf.upr.edu> I'm curious... what features does iCal and Sunbird provide that Evolution lacks? Btw, Evolution also supports subscribing to iCal calendars (it also uses the .ics file format as its native calendar file format). Regards, Ricardo Veguilla Jon Nettleton wrote: >I have actually found it works quite nicely. Supports iCal, downloads >nicely as a 700kb plugin for firefox or mozilla. I have to admit I am >not a calendar junkie, so I can't comment on the poweruser features. >It does allow me to download the release schedule for Fedora Core ;-). > >-Jon > > >On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:16:30 -0400, Marcus Schuetz wrote: > > >>joelbryan wrote: >> >> >>>I hope there's an Open Source software that's similar to Apple iCal, >>>I' tried Evolution, but It's seems to be more focused on e-Mail functionality, >>>Right now I'm using PHPicalendar running on localhost webserver and >>>mysql, but services like those are too heavy on my P4 home pc. >>> >>>I hope they will include a Personal Calendar Applications similar to >>>iCal for FC3 Final. >>> >>> >>> >>How about Sunbird, the Mozilla standlalone calendar >>(http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/index.html)? Since it's at >>version 0.2a I doubt it is ready for prime time yet, let alone FC3 >>Final, but for me it works just fine. >> >>HTH, >> >>Marcus >> >> From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Mon Oct 18 12:42:46 2004 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:42:46 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? Message-ID: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've installed vino and tried to turn on the 'remote desktop' from the preferences, with a password. However, when I try to connect vncviewer to my box ("192.168.1.129:0") I get a connection refused. What am I missing? -- Aaron Gaudio From Fred.New at microlink.ee Mon Oct 18 13:01:24 2004 From: Fred.New at microlink.ee (Fred New) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:01:24 +0300 Subject: How to enable vino? Message-ID: <345764DCB65C0C4FACC44529DE273C18615FFE@eemail1.microlink.lan> On October 18, 2004, at 15:43 Aaron Gaudio wrote: > I've installed vino and tried to turn on the 'remote desktop' from the > preferences, with a password. However, when I try to connect vncviewer > to my box ("192.168.1.129:0") I get a connection refused. What am I > missing? Are your IP tables blocking port 5900? Fred From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Mon Oct 18 13:06:33 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:33 +0100 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 08:42 -0400, Aaron Gaudio wrote: > I've installed vino and tried to turn on the 'remote desktop' from the > preferences, with a password. However, when I try to connect vncviewer > to my box ("192.168.1.129:0") I get a connection refused. What am I > missing? Could it be a firewall issue? I'm not sure if turning it on ties in with iptables (it should really). From rom a command line type iptables -La will tell you what rules you have running. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From maestronn at wowway.com Mon Oct 18 13:11:42 2004 From: maestronn at wowway.com (Demond James) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:11:42 -0400 Subject: Firefox -- should "check for updates" be disabled? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041017044547.GA21907@jadzia.bu.edu> <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4173C10E.9090501@wowway.com> Jeff Spaleta wrote: >On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:45:48 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > >>It's nice that Firefox has a built-in check-for-updates feature. But, I >>think it should be disabled by default (or even patched out) on Fedora Core. >> >> >newest firefox build in development should have this disabled. > > rpm -q --changelog firefox |head >* Sat Oct 16 2004 Christopher Aillon 0:0.10.1-1.0PR1.12 > >- Disable the default application checks. (#133713) >- Disable the software update feature. (#136017) > >* Wed Oct 13 2004 Christopher Blizzard > >- Use pango for rendering > > > Some software updates for firefox are done similar to the extensions installation (like the update to version 0.10.1). Are these updates not compatible with a FC3 installation of firefox? From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Oct 18 13:15:43 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:15:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: lftp In-Reply-To: <4173ABFD.3080500@stardel.com> References: <4173ABFD.3080500@stardel.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Elaine Normandy wrote: > > I happened to notice that my cpu usage had pegged at 100%, and when I did a > top lftp was the top process running. Since I did not start lftp myself, I am > feeling rather paranoid about how it did get started, and wondered if anyone > here can shed some light. I am running FC3T3. Maybe you can run 'pstree' to see if some other process(/scipt) spawned it.. lftp is broken with kernel-624 - so this could be the reason for hang/high cpu usage. Satish From lars at homer.se Mon Oct 18 13:15:46 2004 From: lars at homer.se (Lars E. Pettersson) Date: 18 Oct 2004 15:15:46 +0200 Subject: Personal Calendar Applications??? In-Reply-To: <4173BA5C.6050805@hpcf.upr.edu> References: <4173358E.2070009@comcast.net> <4173BA5C.6050805@hpcf.upr.edu> Message-ID: <1098105346.32021.10.camel@iving.oso.chalmers.se> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 14:43, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > I'm curious... what features does iCal and Sunbird provide that > Evolution lacks? AFAIK you may not yet sync your changes to a remote calendar with Evolution. This works very good with at least Sunbird (do not know about iCal...) Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson http://www.sm6rpz.se/ From fiveacres at stardel.com Mon Oct 18 13:35:35 2004 From: fiveacres at stardel.com (Elaine Normandy) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:35:35 -0600 Subject: lftp In-Reply-To: References: <4173ABFD.3080500@stardel.com> Message-ID: <4173C6A7.5030202@stardel.com> Thanks for the reply. Although I could have sworn that I had never used lftp, I found that I had done so in a script that gets called from my cron to copy down a backup file from my remote web site. I had just never noticed lftp in my process table before it was broken. Good to know that it is in fact broken: I recoded my script to use curl. Elaine Satish Balay wrote: >On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Elaine Normandy wrote: > > > >>I happened to notice that my cpu usage had pegged at 100%, and when I did a >>top lftp was the top process running. Since I did not start lftp myself, I am >>feeling rather paranoid about how it did get started, and wondered if anyone >>here can shed some light. I am running FC3T3. >> >> > >Maybe you can run 'pstree' to see if some other process(/scipt) spawned it.. > >lftp is broken with kernel-624 - so this could be the reason for >hang/high cpu usage. > >Satish > > > -- Elaine Normandy Weblog: http://www.stardel.com/fiveacres/ From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 13:37:15 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:37:15 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910410180637357188d1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:46:44 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Owners should be able to configure their systems any way they please; > only consequences of doing this or that should be clear. Would you be satified if there were some way to test the local defined configurations without having to plugin in a device? A way to ask fstab-sync to report the fstab entry it would create? Would this sort of test tool be enough to provide clarity to admins who are trying to reconfigure their systems? > Here I am not that convinced. There is "exec" there now and > automatically created /etc/fstab enteries have "exec" option clearly > spelled out. But if I put a floppy in suddenly it is mounted > "noexec". This confuses me... you're saying that the fstab entry for the device has "exec" but after you mount the device the mount command is saying its mounted as "noexec"? Or are you seeing an selinux interaction here? -jef From ben.steeves at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 13:45:30 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:45:30 -0300 Subject: Fedora Core 3 test 3 installation In-Reply-To: <060701c4b4ea$a8921770$8c5ca8c0@pashatest> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <060701c4b4ea$a8921770$8c5ca8c0@pashatest> Message-ID: <7ebb24d104101806453e9b24b9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:15:41 +0300, MOPO3 wrote: > Hi All, > When I am trying to Install FC3t3 from DVD(downloaded from official site), i > am getting this : > Select where the packages is : > If I select CD-ROM , I am always getting back to the selection menu :( What > is this ? There are no packages on Fc3t3 DVD ? > I did a DVD install yesterday -- selecting CD-ROM worked fine for me. Did your DVD burn successfully? Are you using the right binary package for your platform? -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From MOPO3 at freemail.lt Mon Oct 18 13:46:59 2004 From: MOPO3 at freemail.lt (MOPO3) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:46:59 +0300 Subject: Fedora Core 3 test 3 installation References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net><604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com><4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net><20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com><1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz><20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com><1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz><20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com><060701c4b4ea$a8921770$8c5ca8c0@pashatest> <7ebb24d104101806453e9b24b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <077c01c4b518$f17b03b0$8c5ca8c0@pashatest> I already have FC2 installed and I am trying to upgrade. Can upgrade be the reason ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Steeves" To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Fedora Core 3 test 3 installation > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:15:41 +0300, MOPO3 wrote: installation > > Hi All, > > When I am trying to Install FC3t3 from DVD(downloaded from official site), i > > am getting this : > > Select where the packages is : > > If I select CD-ROM , I am always getting back to the selection menu :( What > > is this ? There are no packages on Fc3t3 DVD ? > > > > I did a DVD install yesterday -- selecting CD-ROM worked fine for me. > Did your DVD burn successfully? Are you using the right binary > package for your platform? > > -- > Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca > The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com > against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 > http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From lsomike at futzin.com Mon Oct 18 13:52:21 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:52:21 -0500 Subject: VSFTPD confusion Message-ID: <200410180852.21199.lsomike@futzin.com> All, The /etc/init.d/startup file seems to equate the command to start up as "/usr/sbin/vsftpd vsftpd &" according to the way the pathname is parsed in the script below. However, the filename in /etc/vsftpd is named "vsftpd.conf" not "vsftpd" and it therefore doesn't start properly when passed as an argument in the script in my system. Code snippet from from /etc/init.d/vsftpd if [ -d /etc/vsftpd ] ; then for i in `ls /etc/vsftpd/*.conf`; do site=`basename $i .conf` echo -n $"Starting $prog for $site: " /usr/sbin/vsftpd $i & RETVAL=$? [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ] && { touch /var/lock/subsys/$prog success $"$prog $site" } echo done Using this I can't seem to start vsftpd with the default configuration by using the command "/etc/init.d/vsftpd start". A "ps aux" shows that it didn't start and when I tried this at the command line I, understandably, get an error as follows: 08:41:10 # for i in `ls /etc/vsftpd/*.conf`; \ do site=`basename $i .conf`; \ `/usr/sbin/vsftpd $site`; done 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot open config file:vsftpd I filed this as a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136047 but got a response "WORKSFORME" and it was subsequently closed. I'm obviously missing something, so ... how can this possibly work? Regards, Mike Klinke From cliff.swelin at rogers.com Mon Oct 18 13:53:43 2004 From: cliff.swelin at rogers.com (Clifford Swelin) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:53:43 -0400 Subject: Sound card Message-ID: <1098107623.3722.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am using FC3T3. Each time i boot workstation I have to I have to run "Sound Card Detection' in order to enable sound. Any ideas?? Cliff From mattdm at mattdm.org Mon Oct 18 13:53:50 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:53:50 -0400 Subject: Firefox -- should "check for updates" be disabled? In-Reply-To: <4173C10E.9090501@wowway.com> References: <20041017044547.GA21907@jadzia.bu.edu> <604aa79104101709255648deaf@mail.gmail.com> <4173C10E.9090501@wowway.com> Message-ID: <20041018135350.GA31356@jadzia.bu.edu> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:11:42AM -0400, Demond James wrote: > Some software updates for firefox are done similar to the extensions > installation (like the update to version 0.10.1). Are these updates not > compatible with a FC3 installation of firefox? If they install in the users' home directories, than they're probably okay (if they know enough to disable themselves when a system-wide update is available). If they try to install themselves in the system directories (like the search plugins currently do) then there's going to be a problem. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From brian at networklifeline.net Mon Oct 18 14:03:13 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:03:13 -0700 Subject: can't boot Message-ID: <20041018140313.9374.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> After upgrading everything using up2date last night I can't boot passed "configuring kernel parameters" Fedora core 3 test 3 Any ideas ? BC From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Oct 18 14:20:43 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:20:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: can't boot In-Reply-To: <20041018140313.9374.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041018140313.9374.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Brian Callahan wrote: > After upgrading everything using up2date last night I can't boot passed > "configuring kernel parameters" > > Fedora core 3 test 3 > > Any ideas ? - avoid 624 kernel. - try removing 'rhgb' from the boot options (by editing grub menu - at boot) Satish From brian at networklifeline.net Mon Oct 18 14:25:55 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:25:55 -0700 Subject: can't boot Message-ID: <20041018142555.13067.qmail@webmail02.mesa1.secureserver.net> Funny I just was doing that remove rhgb option before I received your response. Why avoid 624 ? what can I do about the rhgb option ? I removed it from 624 in grub.conf and I booted fine-- what's the deal ? LOLOL BC > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: can't boot > From: "Satish Balay" > Date: Mon, October 18, 2004 10:20 am > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Brian Callahan wrote: > > > After upgrading everything using up2date last night I can't boot passed > > "configuring kernel parameters" > > > > Fedora core 3 test 3 > > > > Any ideas ? > > - avoid 624 kernel. > - try removing 'rhgb' from the boot options (by editing grub menu - at boot) > > Satish > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From hmerrill123 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 14:28:03 2004 From: hmerrill123 at yahoo.com (Hardy Merrill) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 problem Message-ID: <20041018142803.55367.qmail@web21126.mail.yahoo.com> I'm on Fedora Core 3 Test 3, and having a problem getting ipw2200 driver to work. I followed the instructions for installing the driver (using 'make install') and extracted the firmware files to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, then rebooted - kudzu found my wireless card and I configured with dhcp. lsmod lists ipw2200 and the other (3) ieee 802 modules. But when I bring up gnome Network Manager and try to activate eth1, I get this error message: ipw2200 device eth1 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization I've have a Toshiba Satellite laptop with ipw2200 card and a Linksys WRT54GS wireless router. On the AP I've turned off WEP and have disabled the broadcast of the ESSID. Anyone know why this isn't working, or what I should try next?? TIA. Hardy Merrill _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From hmerrill123 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 14:29:06 2004 From: hmerrill123 at yahoo.com (Hardy Merrill) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 problem Message-ID: <20041018142906.73176.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry, wrong list :-/ --- Hardy Merrill wrote: > I'm on Fedora Core 3 Test 3, and having a problem > getting ipw2200 driver to work. I followed the > instructions for installing the driver (using 'make > install') and extracted the firmware files to > /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, then rebooted - kudzu > found > my wireless card and I configured with dhcp. lsmod > lists ipw2200 and the other (3) ieee 802 modules. > But > when I bring up gnome Network Manager and try to > activate eth1, I get this error message: > > ipw2200 device eth1 does not seem to be present, > delaying initialization > > I've have a Toshiba Satellite laptop with ipw2200 > card > and a Linksys WRT54GS wireless router. > > On the AP I've turned off WEP and have disabled the > broadcast of the ESSID. > > Anyone know why this isn't working, or what I should > try next?? > > TIA. > > Hardy Merrill > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 18 15:01:32 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:01:32 +0200 Subject: can't boot In-Reply-To: <20041018142555.13067.qmail@webmail02.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041018142555.13067.qmail@webmail02.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1098111692.4447.54.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 07:25 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > Funny I just was doing that remove rhgb option before I received your > response. Why avoid 624 ? Because it's broken at some places. > what can I do about the rhgb option ? I > removed it from 624 in grub.conf and I booted fine-- what's the deal ? You shouldn't use graphical boot so that you can see/report all messages the kernel spits out. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Mon Oct 18 15:03:31 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:03:31 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 problem In-Reply-To: <20041018142906.73176.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041018142906.73176.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098111812.4447.56.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 07:29 -0700, Hardy Merrill wrote: > Sorry, wrong list :-/ Why? > --- Hardy Merrill wrote: > > > I'm on Fedora Core 3 Test 3, and having a problem > > getting ipw2200 driver to work. I followed the > > instructions for installing the driver (using 'make > > install') and extracted the firmware files to > > /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, then rebooted - kudzu It's /lib/firmware now. HTH, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 18 15:01:44 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:01:44 +0200 Subject: What cause floppy drive to be busy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098111704.2691.13.camel@kyrre> man, 18.10.2004 kl. 11.13 skrev joelbryan: > What cause the floppy drive to be busy, whenever I use another > software to write to it, and when I try to mount the floppy under > Terminal and exit from it (so I always use the GUI mount features). > Even when the software is closed (ie, OpenOffice.org, GiMP) still have > problem unmounting it. Should I bug report this? > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless probably. What does "lsof" (as root) show? I think "lsof | grep floppy" might be a bit nicer, tough. From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Oct 18 15:12:34 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:12:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: can't boot In-Reply-To: <1098111692.4447.54.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <20041018142555.13067.qmail@webmail02.mesa1.secureserver.net> <1098111692.4447.54.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 07:25 -0700, Brian Callahan wrote: > > Funny I just was doing that remove rhgb option before I received your > > response. Why avoid 624 ? > > Because it's broken at some places. > > > what can I do about the rhgb option ? I > > removed it from 624 in grub.conf and I booted fine-- what's the deal ? > > You shouldn't use graphical boot so that you can see/report all messages > the kernel spits out. > Also check https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135574 (comments #5,6) Satish From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 18 14:21:09 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:21:09 +0200 Subject: can't boot In-Reply-To: <20041018140313.9374.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> References: <20041018140313.9374.qmail@webmail07.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1098109269.7422.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 ? 07:03 -0700, Brian Callahan a ?crit : > After upgrading everything using up2date last night I can't boot passed > "configuring kernel parameters" > > Fedora core 3 test 3 > > Any ideas ? Carefully check grub at boot time (first screen) and chose the previous kernel. kernel-2.6.8-1.624 have some bugs. > > BC > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 18 14:17:54 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:17:54 +0200 Subject: Sound card In-Reply-To: <1098107623.3722.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098107623.3722.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098109075.7422.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 ? 09:53 -0400, Clifford Swelin a ?crit : > Am using FC3T3. Each time i boot workstation I have to I have to run > "Sound Card Detection' in order to enable sound. 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Fixed in 2.1.9 - which should hit rawhide very soon. you won't be able to uses 2.1.8 unless you have my homedir with my devel paths. :) Sorry. -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 15:29:45 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:29:45 -0600 Subject: Floppy install of FC3-T3 In-Reply-To: <653859E4-20FE-11D9-BC9E-0003930A3872@pyves.ch> References: <1097882566.3506.132.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <653859E4-20FE-11D9-BC9E-0003930A3872@pyves.ch> Message-ID: <1098113386.3469.11.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 14:08 +0200, Pierre-Yves Berger wrote: > The option I choosed is Smart Boot Manager ( > http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html ). I used it to boot > on a floppy and picked the CD for the rest of the boot. I used it to > install FC2 on older systems that could not boot directly on CD. > Hey, thanks. I had missed that one, and I'll take a closer look. For the record, the way I finally got things done over the weekend was: 1. Install FC1 from the floppy and boot to it. 2. Once inside the running FC1 system, copied the vmlinuz and initrd files to /boot and added a GRUB stanza to boot from those. 3. Booting to the FC3 vmlinuz/initrd brought up Anaconda so I was able to continue the install from there using the CD as media. I do note, however, that this did not allow me to choose text-mode for the installer and went straight into graphical mode... on a PPro/200 with 64MB RAM, that means roughly a 3-hour install. Since I'm going to have to reinstall that system several more times, I'll try the Smart Boot Manager as well. But out of curiosity, is there any way I can use the GRUB trick above and get Anaconda to boot in text mode? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is why I am talking about "magic". OTOH if I had > good reasons to mount floppies "exec" then what? As I've already tried to explain, mount(1) wants the 'pamconsole', 'user' and possibly 'users' option before the 'exec' option because the way that the mount(1) program works is that "This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by _subsequent_ options, as in the option line user,exec,dev,suid)" to quote from the man page for mount(1). Emphasis for subsequent is mine. Hence, this may be the magic you're talking about. Thus, fstab-sync needs to learn about this, IMHO, intricate detail of mount(1). David From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 16:08:48 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:08:48 -0600 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 Message-ID: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Hi! I am beginning to work with FC3-T3 on a test box to see which packages can be removed such that disk space and update bandwidth is reduced. My primary purpose is to create a standard "minimal" install which is significantly smaller than what Anaconda recommends, so that I can install small servers (DHCP, DNS, NTP, router/gateway...) on top of this base install using a small, secure footprint. Of course I keep coming up with questions, so... 1. Do I really need redhat-lsb? There are at least a dozen packages I have found already (pango, gtk2, xorg*) which I would like to delete but which are required by redhat-lsb. I don't want to break anything, but this one package is really slowing me down. 2. What is the "comps" package? It's huge, and AFAICT nothing needs it or depends on it. 3. I'm using "rpm -qa --queryformat %{SIZE}\t\t%{NAME}\n | less" to look for the larger packages. However, it's hard to read the numbers since they're left-justified and I cannot sort on size. Is there any way I can sort on size descending, or put the size figures into a column so I can right-justify them? Thanks for any advice, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Mon Oct 18 16:13:46 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:13:46 -0400 Subject: latest yum fails Message-ID: I have installed yum-2.1.8-1 and get the following error message Traceback ( most recent call last) File "/usr/bin/yum" line 6 import yummain InportError: No module named yummain Yum has been broken for several weeks. The latest update does not seem to improve things. Up2date works , but only if I update one or two files at a time. If I attempt to "update everything" it ususally locks up. From jonathansavage at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 16:22:26 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:22:26 -0700 Subject: latest yum fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ad7cea104101809224064285e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:13:46 -0400, Nave, Ronald wrote: > I have installed yum-2.1.8-1 and get the following error message > > Traceback ( most recent call last) > File "/usr/bin/yum" line 6 > import yummain > InportError: No module named yummain > Try 2.1.9 - see below for skvidals note of earlier today: Hi All, 2.1.9 is available now. What you say? That was a quick cycle! Yes, yes it was. This is because I'm a moron and I left a local path in the /usr/bin/yum binary so the only people for whom it would work is people who happen to have a dir named /home/skvidal/cvs/yum-HEAD with _just_ the right files in it. Sorry. It's fixed Tarball: http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/2.1/yum-2.1.9.tar.gz src.rpm: http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/2.1/yum-2.1.9-1.src.rpm noarch.rpm - built on fedora core 2(ish): http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/2.1/yum-2.1.9-1.noarch.rpm And this one definitely works on machines != my laptop -sv -- Bests, Jon From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 16:25:05 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:25:05 -0400 Subject: latest yum fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa791041018092517736573@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:13:46 -0400, Nave, Ronald wrote: > I have installed yum-2.1.8-1 and get the following error message issue is known, posts in both test and devel list explain that 2.1.8 has a problem. you can either revert back to an older yum... or you can wait till tomorrows rawhide and get yum 2.1.9.. or you can try to use to get it fixed right away: http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/yum-2.1.9-1.noarch.rpm -jef From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 16:26:38 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:26:38 -0600 Subject: latest yum fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098116798.3469.32.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:13 -0400, Nave, Ronald wrote: > Up2date works , but only if I update one or two files at a time. > If I attempt to "update everything" it ususally locks up. > Just as an FYI, my up2date has been working fine. What problem are you having with up2date? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Mon Oct 18 16:28:21 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:28:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > 2. What is the "comps" package? It's huge, and AFAICT nothing needs it > or depends on it. 'yum group*' commands probably use it. > > 3. I'm using "rpm -qa --queryformat %{SIZE}\t\t%{NAME}\n | less" to > look for the larger packages. However, it's hard to read the numbers > since they're left-justified and I cannot sort on size. Is there any way > I can sort on size descending, or put the size figures into a column so > I can right-justify them? how about just using 'sort -n'? rpm -qa --qf '%{SIZE} %{NAME}\n' | sort -nr | less Satish From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 18 16:50:17 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:50:17 -0400 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098118216.25537.23.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:28, Satish Balay wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > 2. What is the "comps" package? It's huge, and AFAICT nothing needs it > > or depends on it. > > 'yum group*' commands probably use it. no. yum group* uses comps.xml only. the comps package is large b/c of the hdlists stored in there. We are working to get rid of it. -sv From ahwkong at ahwkong.com Mon Oct 18 16:53:04 2004 From: ahwkong at ahwkong.com (A. Kong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:53:04 +1000 Subject: Rescue FC3T1 Message-ID: <4173F4F0.6000602@ahwkong.com> Hi, all, I have install FC3T1 for a while and is quite happy about it. All of the sudden the harddisk (/dev/hda) of /boot failed and the PC cannot be boot up again. So, I replaced the harddisk, inrestalled FC3T1 and of course itthe PC works again. The problem is: in its previous 'life' , its mount is something like this: /dev/hda1 /boot /dev/md0 / ... [snip] ... That means I have used a RAID0 device to be mounted at '/' When I reinstalled the system, since only hda is broken and I want to be able to see/use /dev/md0, I only choose to mount /dev/hda1 as /boot /dev/hda2 as / My problem is How can I switched the '/' form /dev/hda2 back to /dev/md0? What I have tried is to change the kernel parameters in /boot/grub/grun.conf and changed root=LABEL=/ to root =/dev/md0 In this case, when the boot up sequence reaches SELinux it just fires up tons of message. The swtich failed Can anyone advise me how to switch '/' moun in this case? Is there a better way to rescue it. BTW, when I tried to use the rescue function of FC3T1, it always failed by reporting 'File already exists'. It then shows me the only choice : reboot. I did not really write the exact error message because I was in hurry. (Sorry, I guess it is slightly OT. However, here is the only relevant linux list I subscribed to and search using keyword like 'md0' or 'recovery' just produces tons of search results which is not possible for me to sort out. :-( ) Any help appreciated! AK From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 17:04:30 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:04:30 -0600 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098119071.3469.45.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 11:28 -0500, Satish Balay wrote: > how about just using 'sort -n'? > > rpm -qa --qf '%{SIZE} %{NAME}\n' | sort -nr | less > Sure works better than what I had. Thanks! -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 17:05:38 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:05:38 -0600 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098118216.25537.23.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098118216.25537.23.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1098119138.3469.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:50 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > the comps package is large b/c of the hdlists stored in there. > We are working to get rid of it. > I understand then that I will not break anything important by removing it? I want to trim this down as far as possible, but I do not want to trash anything needed elsewhere out of ignorance. Any comments on redhat-lsb? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:10:54 -0600 Subject: Installing the " =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7?= " in the U.S International Keyboard in Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20041016094902.GA14641@gentoo.malaquias.no-ip.org> References: <200410132320.59871.jeffy5@optonline.net> <20041016094902.GA14641@gentoo.malaquias.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <1098119454.3469.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 06:49 -0300, romildo at uber.com.br wrote: > I do not think so. This has alread been discussed when the > change happened. As there are languages with the "C with > acute accent" character, it looked more natural to bind the > <'> sequence to it in th us_intl keyboard map in X11. > Indeed. It does sound reasonable, although it pains me somewhat since I use the cedilla frequently in Portuguese and French, and the AltGr key has always felt like an uncomfortable kludge. As a personal preference, I would like the cedilla on the '+c key combo and the acute-accented c on the AltGr, based on the argument that *I* like it better that way and that there are likely a lot more people using the cedilla than using the accented c. However, I will throw up my hands and resign myself to the AltGr cedilla since, after all, the change was intended to be logical and fair. Sigh. Trivia detail: *when* was this change implemented? Cheers, > This works for me with LANG set to "en_US.ISO8859-1". > AltGr+, then c works for me as well in LANG=en_US.UTF-8. More sighs. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david at fubar.dk Mon Oct 18 17:39:32 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:39:32 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1098121172.3717.3.camel@davidz> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 11:33 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hence, this may be the magic you're talking about. Thus, fstab-sync > needs to learn about this, IMHO, intricate detail of mount(1). > Filed as bug 136191 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136191 Cheers, David From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 18 17:51:39 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:51:39 -0600 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410180637357188d1@mail.gmail.com>; from jspaleta@gmail.com on Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:37:15AM -0400 References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <604aa7910410180637357188d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041018115139.C20173@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:37:15AM -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:46:44 -0600, Michal Jaegermann > wrote: > > Owners should be able to configure their systems any way they please; > > only consequences of doing this or that should be clear. > > Would you be satified if there were some way to test the local defined > configurations without having to plugin in a device? Testing tools are always nice, especially if a configuration system is complicated and ramifications of various options not always clear. Although in the case in question I would rather see tight defaults and "obvious" methods of configuring that in some other ways. > A way to ask > fstab-sync to report the fstab entry it would create? In this particular case 'cat' should be good enough for a "testing tool". > This confuses me... you're saying that the fstab entry for the > device has "exec" but after you mount the device the mount command > is saying its mounted as "noexec"? See! I am not the only one confused here. :-) Yes, this is exactly what I am seeing. Options on fstab-sync created entries are exec,pamconsole,noauto,managed but if I will put a floppy in a (USB at the moment) drive then mount says ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev "ro" is right as this floppy is write protected. Maybe other stuff shows up because this is a VFAT floppy? Most likely, thinking a bit more about it. Although exactly the same mount options are reported also for a "magically mounted" CD. Regardless, I would think that at least 'nodev,nosuid' should be a default in fstab-sync generated entries for removable media regardless of a file system. That means in /etc/fstab explicitely nosuid,nodev,pamconsole,noauto,managed Maybe 'noexec' as well. If somebody would want to relax these defaults in a particular situation then they should be able to do that without going through particular hoops. I think that David explained, at least on this list, :-) how to do that (if something else is not monkeying quietly with mount options). > Or are you seeing an selinux interaction here? I have selinux in this moment turned off. I want to avoid muddying the picture. Michal From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Mon Oct 18 17:57:13 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:57:13 +0100 Subject: Rescue FC3T1 In-Reply-To: <4173F4F0.6000602@ahwkong.com> References: <4173F4F0.6000602@ahwkong.com> Message-ID: <1098122233.417403f9efc19@helium.firebox.com> Quoting "A. Kong" : > Hi, all, > > I have install FC3T1 for a while and is quite happy about it. All of the > sudden the harddisk (/dev/hda) of /boot failed and the PC cannot be boot > up again. > So, I replaced the harddisk, inrestalled FC3T1 and of course itthe PC > works again. > > The problem is: in its previous 'life' , its mount is something like this: > > /dev/hda1 /boot > /dev/md0 / > ... > [snip] > ... > > That means I have used a RAID0 device to be mounted at '/' I don't know how much you know about RAID and in particular RAID0. This is actualy an oxymoron. RAID is meant to signafy "redundancy" this means you can have 1 disk fail, and the "array" or "file system" just carries on working. Unfortunately RAID0 does not do this, it combines two drives to give you one big drive. The problem is, if any one drive fails, then you loose all of the data (especially if you use raid0 striped). > When I reinstalled the system, since only hda is broken and I want to be > able to see/use /dev/md0, I only choose to mount > /dev/hda1 as /boot > /dev/hda2 as / > > My problem is How can I switched the '/' form /dev/hda2 back to /dev/md0? You can re-create the md0 device however all of your data will be lost if your hard drive breaks again. Is there any particular reason that you opted to use RAID0? Do you need the speed/space? Can you not just have several file systems/mount points and spread the space out a bit? > What I have tried is to change the kernel parameters in > /boot/grub/grun.conf and changed > root=LABEL=/ to > root =/dev/md0 > > In this case, when the boot up sequence reaches SELinux it just fires up > tons of message. The swtich failed > > Can anyone advise me how to switch '/' moun in this case? Is there a > better way to rescue it. Unfortunately as mentioned before, I fear all of your data has been lost if /dev/hda was part of the /dev/md0 RAID array... Doug From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 18 18:04:00 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:04:00 -0600 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:33:11AM -0400 References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041018120400.D20173@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:33:11AM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > As I've already tried to explain, mount(1) wants the 'pamconsole', > 'user' and possibly 'users' option before the 'exec' option because the > way that the mount(1) program works is that "This option implies the > options noexec, nosuid, and nodev ... Ah, yes, you are right and I am an idiot. I forgot that 'user' implies 'noexec,nosuid,nodev'. But in such case why fstab-sync starts generated lines with 'exec' to be immediately overriden? I think that is what messed me up here. Does 'fstab-sync' pays any attention to an order of entries in its configuration files (*.fdi) and how this relates to an order of options in /etc/fstab? 'man fstab' does not seem to mention any guarantees in that respect. Michal From walters at redhat.com Mon Oct 18 18:05:43 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:05:43 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041018115139.C20173@mail.harddata.com> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <604aa7910410180637357188d1@mail.gmail.com> <20041018115139.C20173@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098122743.7435.5.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 11:51 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Regardless, I would think that at least 'nodev,nosuid' should be a > default in fstab-sync generated entries for removable media > regardless of a file system. That means in /etc/fstab explicitely > > nosuid,nodev,pamconsole,noauto,managed pamconsole implies nosuid,nodev,noexec. From royab at bc.edu Mon Oct 18 18:08:08 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:08:08 -0400 Subject: Optimal Partitioning Message-ID: <41740688.1020508@bc.edu> Is there a way to partition a disk and define mount points such that fresh installs dont overwrite home user directories ? For example, lets say I mount /dev/hda2 as /home, and /dev/hda3 as /usr/local (which will include user installed programs not provided with the OS) and /dev/hda1 as /. Now if I do a clean install of (say) FC2 or FC3 will user home directories and separate programs in /usr/local still be overwritten ? Is there an option during install that protects this option ? Once the install is made, I want to maintain the old mount points. Thanks! Amitabha From davide.rossetti at roma1.infn.it Mon Oct 18 18:29:36 2004 From: davide.rossetti at roma1.infn.it (Davide Rossetti) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:29:36 +0200 Subject: FC3 Test 3 - x86_64 - upgrade from Test2 via NFS -> anaconda crashes Message-ID: <41740B90.2020803@roma1.infn.it> Today I tried to upgrade to Test3 from Test2 on x86_64. install is via nfs. anaconda crashes after selection on the upgrade partition. the python crash dump is long but ends with some error from a Device Mapper wrapper class. Anyway DM is not used in my setup. If necessary, I can write down the dump or try to find some old and error-less floppy around. setup is: I have a Core1-i386 on hda2 and Core2-Test2 on hda5. with /boot, /home1, /home2 and swap shared. the error triggers after selecting to upgrade hda5. regards From tjb at unh.edu Mon Oct 18 18:35:20 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:35:20 -0400 Subject: Optimal Partitioning In-Reply-To: <41740688.1020508@bc.edu> References: <41740688.1020508@bc.edu> Message-ID: <1098124520.6138.5.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 14:08 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > Is there a way to partition a disk and define mount points such that > fresh installs dont overwrite home user directories ? > > For example, lets say I mount /dev/hda2 as /home, and /dev/hda3 as > /usr/local (which will include user installed programs not provided > with the OS) and /dev/hda1 as /. > > Now if I do a clean install of (say) FC2 or FC3 will user home > directories and separate programs in /usr/local still be overwritten ? > Is there an option during install that protects this option ? Once the > install is made, I want to maintain the old mount points. > > > Thanks! > Amitabha > > Yes, I do it this way all the time. You can specify in the install if a partition is going to be formatted or not. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 18 18:36:14 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:36:14 -0700 Subject: How to test Cron.daily, Weekly, Monthly.... In-Reply-To: <200410170147.04640.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20041017002437.GA15096@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <200410170147.04640.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20041018183614.GB11599@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 01:47:02AM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Sunday 17 October 2004 01:24, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > Is there a sane way to test all the activity that /etc/cron.daily > > /etc/cron.hourly /etc/cron.monthly /etc/cron.weekly invoke? > > Have you looked at /var/log/cron ? Yes, condider this log line: Oct 18 11:02:00 xtl1 CROND[13471]: (bob) CMD (wc /tmp/nofile-here > /dev/null 2>&1 < /dev/null &) By the name of the file you might guess that the file does not exist. But how do I know that this little script found an error or runs correctly. Knowing that it runs is only the first step. Some of the activity in cron quietly does this and that and is opaque to me. How do I know that each is still running correctly. The next issue is the list of things that run only once in a while. There is a list of stuff that will run on Nov 1st when FC3 will release. How do we know that that list does not include a problem? I am also interesting in matching "kernel: audit(.*.): avc:" messages to cron tasks. -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From talbotscott at cox.net Mon Oct 18 18:43:58 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:43:58 -0700 Subject: Optimal Partitioning In-Reply-To: <41740688.1020508@bc.edu> References: <41740688.1020508@bc.edu> Message-ID: <1098125039.6917.28.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 14:08 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > Is there a way to partition a disk and define mount points such that > fresh installs dont overwrite home user directories ? > > For example, lets say I mount /dev/hda2 as /home, and /dev/hda3 as > /usr/local (which will include user installed programs not provided > with the OS) and /dev/hda1 as /. > > Now if I do a clean install of (say) FC2 or FC3 will user home > directories and separate programs in /usr/local still be overwritten ? > Is there an option during install that protects this option ? Once the > install is made, I want to maintain the old mount points. There is an option when you manually setup partitions to format or not. I must warn you, however, that what you are attempting is doomed. many packages put files throughout the filesystem (especially /etc, /usr/lib and others). and that will break those packages. The /home may go through some changes that may cause a few pains, but should be O.K. to not format You could/should consider saving your cachedir, if you are using yum, then you could easily reinstall programs, or even better set yourself up a separate config file to download those files in a separate directory, or disk. HTH Scott > > Thanks! > Amitabha From romildo at uber.com.br Mon Oct 18 17:51:10 2004 From: romildo at uber.com.br (romildo at uber.com.br) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:51:10 -0200 Subject: Installing the " =?iso-8859-1?q?=E7_=22?= in the U.S International Keyboard in Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <1098119454.3469.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <200410132320.59871.jeffy5@optonline.net> <20041016094902.GA14641@gentoo.malaquias.no-ip.org> <1098119454.3469.54.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041018175110.GA10335@gentoo.malaquias.no-ip.org> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:10:54AM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 06:49 -0300, romildo at uber.com.br wrote: > > I do not think so. This has alread been discussed when the > > change happened. As there are languages with the "C with > > acute accent" character, it looked more natural to bind the > > <'> sequence to it in th us_intl keyboard map in X11. > > > > Indeed. It does sound reasonable, although it pains me somewhat since I > use the cedilla frequently in Portuguese and French, and the AltGr key > has always felt like an uncomfortable kludge. I also use Portuguese (my mother tongue) and could get used to typing the AltGr+, followed by c combination for c cedilla. [...] > Trivia detail: *when* was this change implemented? I do not know, but if I am not wrong I have first noticed it with Red Hat Linux 9. There is also a bug report regarding this issue in the XFree86 Bugzilla opened in 2003-04-08: http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122 Romildo From davide.rossetti at roma1.infn.it Mon Oct 18 18:51:24 2004 From: davide.rossetti at roma1.infn.it (Davide Rossetti) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:51:24 +0200 Subject: test 3 install via NFS In-Reply-To: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <417410AC.2050502@roma1.infn.it> Terry Polzin wrote: >I've downloaded all 4 iso images, checked md5sums. Exported dir where the iso >images are located perms 644 on the iso's root ownership. I can mount the >directory, but install claims that the directory doesn't appear to contain a >Fedora tree. > >I've done this before, FC1 FC3t2. Is this a new bug? > > nfs installa means that the mounted filesystem contains a Fedora tree... that is, a dir with a dir named Fedora, with a Fedora/RPMS containing ALL the .rpm's ... so you have COPY the content of ALL the images on the nfs-exported filesystem. d. From david at fubar.dk Mon Oct 18 18:58:00 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:58:00 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041018120400.D20173@mail.harddata.com> References: <41714E2E.7030609@speakeasy.net> <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz> <20041018120400.D20173@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098125881.3717.16.camel@davidz> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:04 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:33:11AM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > > As I've already tried to explain, mount(1) wants the 'pamconsole', > > 'user' and possibly 'users' option before the 'exec' option because the > > way that the mount(1) program works is that "This option implies the > > options noexec, nosuid, and nodev ... > > Ah, yes, you are right and I am an idiot. I forgot that 'user' > implies 'noexec,nosuid,nodev'. But in such case why fstab-sync > starts generated lines with 'exec' to be immediately overriden? This is indeed a bug a filed to myself today (#136191). > I think that is what messed me up here. > > Does 'fstab-sync' pays any attention to an order of entries in its > configuration files (*.fdi) and how this relates to an order of > options in /etc/fstab? 'man fstab' does not seem to mention any > guarantees in that respect. > Yeah, the files and directories in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ are processed in alphabetical order and merged onto hal device objects - this is why default policy goes in 90defaultpolicy and user policy in 95userpolicy. You may use either lshal or hal-device-manager (from the hal-gnome package) to inspect the properties on each hal device object. Cheers, David From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Mon Oct 18 19:15:47 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:15:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: vsftpd dead but subsys locked Message-ID: <20041018191547.61807.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I have "vsftpd" configured to start at boot with the default unmodified config file at present and when I check the status I see the message "vsftpd dead but subsys locked" and sure enough nothing is running. I anyone else seeing this. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 19:16:26 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:16:26 -0600 Subject: Should I bugzilla this? In-Reply-To: References: <1097883007.3506.140.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098126986.3469.92.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 00:50 -0400, vol atile wrote: > I noticed the same thing with my wireless card, an Orinico mini-pci. > Deleting and reconfiguring it works, but it would be best to detect it > correctly from the beginning. > Done. Feel free to add yourself in there: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136188 Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 18 19:44:12 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: test 3 install via NFS In-Reply-To: <417410AC.2050502@roma1.infn.it> References: <200410121121.42841.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <417410AC.2050502@roma1.infn.it> Message-ID: <4096.12.29.16.103.1098128652.squirrel@whooper.org> Davide Rossetti said: > Terry Polzin wrote: > > >> I've downloaded all 4 iso images, checked md5sums. Exported dir where >> the iso images are located perms 644 on the iso's root ownership. I can >> mount the directory, but install claims that the directory doesn't >> appear to contain a Fedora tree. >> >> >> I've done this before, FC1 FC3t2. Is this a new bug? >> >> >> > nfs installa means that the mounted filesystem contains a Fedora tree... Not always. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begininstall-net.html "3.7.1.1. Using ISO Images for NFS Installs" The archives show the OP had a permissions issue. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg00898.html -- William Hooper From ahwkong at ahwkong.com Mon Oct 18 19:44:46 2004 From: ahwkong at ahwkong.com (A. Kong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:44:46 +1000 Subject: Rescue FC3T1 In-Reply-To: <1098122233.417403f9efc19@helium.firebox.com> References: <4173F4F0.6000602@ahwkong.com> <1098122233.417403f9efc19@helium.firebox.com> Message-ID: <41741D2E.3030605@ahwkong.com> Hi, Doug I am sorry I did not make myself clear. The /dev/hda1 is a normal ext3 partitiion. There is no raid partition in that particular harddisk. I have two other harddisks for raid 0 purpose. The only reason I use raid0 is because they can combine two or more partitons together and make it larger, a somewhat easier appoarch then using LVM, I consider. So, the raid are just intact. I just need to know how I can mount them properly in the situation as outlined prerviously. Cheers, AK From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Mon Oct 18 19:47:36 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:47:36 +0200 Subject: vsftpd dead but subsys locked In-Reply-To: <20041018191547.61807.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041018191547.61807.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041018214736.182bedf4.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:15:47 +0100 (BST), DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > I have "vsftpd" configured to start at boot with the > default unmodified config file at present and when I > check the status I see the message "vsftpd dead but > subsys locked" and sure enough nothing is running. > > I anyone else seeing this. With 'kernel-2.6.8-1.624'? If so, yes, I've seen this, too, but since that kernel version breaks other applications for me and bug reports are filed about it, I'm back at 1.541. -- Fedora Core release 2.92 (FC3 Test 3) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 1.63 1.59 1.60 From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 18 19:52:44 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:52:44 -0600 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <1098122743.7435.5.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com>; from walters@redhat.com on Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 02:05:43PM -0400 References: <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <604aa7910410180637357188d1@mail.gmail.com> <20041018115139.C20173@mail.harddata.com> <1098122743.7435.5.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041018135244.H20173@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 02:05:43PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > pamconsole implies nosuid,nodev,noexec. Any references to where this is documented? 'man mount' does not seem to mention anything about that. Things which directly affect security should not be left to guesses. Michal From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 18 19:59:14 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:59:14 -0600 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <1098125881.3717.16.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 02:58:00PM -0400 References: <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz> <20041018120400.D20173@mail.harddata.com> <1098125881.3717.16.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041018135914.I20173@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 02:58:00PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > > Does 'fstab-sync' pays any attention to an order of entries in its > > configuration files (*.fdi) and how this relates to an order of > > options in /etc/fstab? > > Yeah, the files and directories in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ are processed in > alphabetical order and merged onto hal device objects How about an ordering inside of one particular configuration file? Is this spelled out somewhere? Probably from top to bottom but can one be really sure about that in any implementation? Or it is necessary to split one option per file, to follow what you say above, in order to be sure that results will be as expected and will survive updates? Michal From Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov Mon Oct 18 20:24:16 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:24:16 -0400 Subject: Optimal Partitioning In-Reply-To: <1098125039.6917.28.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <41740688.1020508@bc.edu> <1098125039.6917.28.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: <1098131056.14010.29.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 11:43 -0700, Scott Talbot wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 14:08 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > > > Is there a way to partition a disk and define mount points such that > > fresh installs dont overwrite home user directories ? > > > > For example, lets say I mount /dev/hda2 as /home, and /dev/hda3 as > > /usr/local (which will include user installed programs not provided > > with the OS) and /dev/hda1 as /. > > > > Now if I do a clean install of (say) FC2 or FC3 will user home > > directories and separate programs in /usr/local still be overwritten ? > > Is there an option during install that protects this option ? Once the > > install is made, I want to maintain the old mount points. > > There is an option when you manually setup partitions to format or not. ... although disk druid can be a bit of a pain when it decides it's smarter than you are. > I must warn you, however, that what you are attempting is doomed. many > packages put files throughout the filesystem (especially /etc, /usr/lib > and others). and that will break those packages. May be doomed because of library or user configuration incompatibilities, but don't believe /usr/local is used by any Fedora packages, and conversely, packages that support being rooted in /usr/local USUALLY confine themselves to that tree. On a major version upgrade, may want to rebuild things you have installed in /usr/local. > The /home may go through some changes that may cause a few pains, but > should be O.K. to not format As for /home, I'd recommend keeping the old version as a backup and starting with a new /home - have been bitten too often by changes in user dot files that interfere with new ways of doing things. > You could/should consider saving your cachedir, if you are using yum, > then you could easily reinstall programs, or even better set yourself up > a separate config file to download those files in a separate directory, > or disk. May also need to preserve /var/www if you run a web server. Wish RH would put the default somewhere else, such as /home - not sure why that changed. Phil From lsomike at futzin.com Mon Oct 18 20:40:32 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:40:32 -0500 Subject: VSFTPD confusion In-Reply-To: <20041018124551.G20173@mail.harddata.com> References: <200410180852.21199.lsomike@futzin.com> <20041018124551.G20173@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <200410181540.32053.lsomike@futzin.com> On Monday 18 October 2004 13:45, MJ wrote: > > ^^^ > /etc/init.d/vsftpd is using "$i", i.e. /etc/vsftpd/${site}.conf > > > 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot open config file:vsftpd > > Indeed. > > > I filed this as a bug: > > I am not sure if I understand where this bug occures. > > michal Oh, jumpin' Jehosephat! Thank you! I just need to clean the contact lenses at bit I guess. I note a couple of new messages concerning vsftpd in the list this afternoon so maybe we'll get to the bottom of the problem in spite of my mis-direction .... Regards, Mike Klinke From Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov Mon Oct 18 20:52:56 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:52:56 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening Message-ID: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and having it open the link in the browser? Clicking on a link fails with evolution-2.0.2-1 under FC3/rawhide but works under FC2 with same Evolution-from-rawhide version, both under KDE. Can still right-click the link, select "Copy Link Location", and open via Klipper. Can't find anything on this in Bugzilla or list archive. Not sure if I should file a bug (could still be a user-configuration problem - haven't yet tried as a different user), or under what component. Phil From dmalcolm at redhat.com Mon Oct 18 20:56:11 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:56:11 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1098132973.24203.3.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:52 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and > having it open the link in the browser? Clicking on a link fails with > evolution-2.0.2-1 under FC3/rawhide but works under FC2 with same > Evolution-from-rawhide version, both under KDE. Can still right-click > the link, select "Copy Link Location", and open via Klipper. Can't find > anything on this in Bugzilla or list archive. Not sure if I should file > a bug (could still be a user-configuration problem - haven't yet tried > as a different user), or under what component. Is this with just http://, with https://, or with both? There was a bug until recently with https:// Dave From Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov Mon Oct 18 21:04:15 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:04:15 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098132973.24203.3.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> <1098132973.24203.3.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098133455.14010.55.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:56 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > Is this with just http://, with https://, or with both? There was a > bug > until recently with https:// Any link. Phil From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 18 17:19:09 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:19:09 +0200 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098119138.3469.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098118216.25537.23.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1098119138.3469.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098119949.7422.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 ? 11:05 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:50 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > the comps package is large b/c of the hdlists stored in there. > > We are working to get rid of it. > > > > I understand then that I will not break anything important by removing > it? I want to trim this down as far as possible, but I do not want to > trash anything needed elsewhere out of ignorance. > > Any comments on redhat-lsb? > $ rpm -q redhat-lsb package redhat-lsb is not installed Ooops Seems you can remove it if you don't need it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes with "kernel-2.6.8-1.624" So I will see if all OK for me in the original kernel and also see if this fixes the samba problem that I am about to post about. > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Mon Oct 18 21:24:06 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:24:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. Message-ID: <20041018212406.62899.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I set all of my SAMBA shares up before doing any updates and now if I try to edit them or add new shares I get the following error message :- Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. I will see if it works in the original kernel next but I am surprised that there has been no mention of this before now. From javaman67 at acd.net Mon Oct 18 21:31:01 2004 From: javaman67 at acd.net (Brian Craft) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:31:01 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1098135062.8751.6.camel@craft.us.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:52 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and > having it open the link in the browser? Clicking on a link fails with > evolution-2.0.2-1 under FC3/rawhide but works under FC2 with same > Evolution-from-rawhide version, both under KDE. Can still right-click > the link, select "Copy Link Location", and open via Klipper. Can't find > anything on this in Bugzilla or list archive. Not sure if I should file > a bug (could still be a user-configuration problem - haven't yet tried > as a different user), or under what component. > > Phil > > I'm able to click on hyperlinks with no problems using Evolution 2.0.2-1 and Firefox 0.10.1 on FC3 Test 3 as a user....under GNOME 2.8. Have you tried it under GNOME to see if this is a problem with KDE? -- Brian Craft Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: bcraft67 AIM: linuxman67 Website: http://userdata.acd.net/javaman67/ Linux Counter id: 97873 Linux......the OS of Choice! From jdennis at redhat.com Mon Oct 18 21:31:25 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:31:25 -0400 Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. In-Reply-To: <20041018212406.62899.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041018212406.62899.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098135085.9340.118.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:24, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > I set all of my SAMBA shares up before doing any > updates and now if I try to edit them or add new > shares I get the following error message :- > > Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now > exit. > > I will see if it works in the original kernel next but > I am surprised that there has been no mention of this > before now. Are you getting SELinux messages (e.g. audit(*): avc:) in /var/log/messages about access denied? If so you're running afoul of the SELinux security policy. If you're running >= FC3t2 SELinux targeted policy is in effect. What is the avc message? -- John Dennis From shahms at shahms.com Mon Oct 18 21:45:12 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:45:12 -0700 Subject: /dev/sonypi deleted after every reboot In-Reply-To: <20041016183800.GE31705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041016183800.GE31705@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098135912.2791.18.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 14:38 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 03:34:00AM -0400, vol atile wrote: > > The sonypi module requires /dev/sonypi but after making it with mknod > > /dev/sonypi c 10 250 it's gone after every reboot. Is there some new > > way to make special devices or is this a bug? > > This is a udev bug, please file it This may be a udev bug as well, but after adding "/sbin/modprobe sonypi" to my /etc/rc.local (rather than an alias in /etc/modprobe.conf) /dev/sonypi is properly created by udev. -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 21:52:59 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:52:59 -0600 Subject: vsftpd dead but subsys locked In-Reply-To: <20041018214736.182bedf4.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041018191547.61807.qmail@web86502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20041018214736.182bedf4.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1098136379.3469.137.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 21:47 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > If so, yes, I've seen this, too, but since that kernel version breaks > other applications for me and bug reports are filed about it, I'm back > at 1.541. > Other than making Quanta+ crash hard after two minutes or so, I've had good results from 610. A hard system lock-up every two days or so, which I don't have the expertise to pin down, but overall a working system. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 21:57:08 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:57:08 -0600 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098132973.24203.3.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> <1098132973.24203.3.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098136629.3469.141.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:56 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:52 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and > > having it open the link in the browser? > > Is this with just http://, with https://, or with both? There was a bug > until recently with https:// > How "recently" is that? I just filed Bug #136036 on Saturday night about that. At this point I have evolution-2.0.2-1, my system claims to be fully up-to-date (on T2) and I still have that problem. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 18 22:02:16 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:02:16 -0600 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098119949.7422.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098118216.25537.23.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1098119138.3469.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098119949.7422.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098136936.3469.146.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 19:19 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > $ rpm -q redhat-lsb > package redhat-lsb is not installed > > Ooops > > Seems you can remove it if you don't need it. Yes, I know I *can* remove it since it contains almost nothing but dependencies required, and that by removing it I also gain the ability to remove another two-dozen packages that I'd like to deep-six. The question is, *why* is redhat-lsb there, and whose good intentions am I trashing by removing it? What are the consequences, possible harm, etc. of not being LSB-conformant? If I'm going to publish a HOWTO that suggests doing this (and my HOWTO's are getting over 2,000 unique visitors per month), I want to be damn sure that what I remove does not later turn out to be valuable one way or another. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rodd at clarkson.id.au Mon Oct 18 22:29:58 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:29:58 +1000 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098138598.3789.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 11:28 -0500, Satish Balay wrote: > > 3. I'm using "rpm -qa --queryformat %{SIZE}\t\t%{NAME}\n | less" to > > look for the larger packages. However, it's hard to read the numbers > > since they're left-justified and I cannot sort on size. Is there any way > > I can sort on size descending, or put the size figures into a column so > > I can right-justify them? > > how about just using 'sort -n'? > > rpm -qa --qf '%{SIZE} %{NAME}\n' | sort -nr | less It's not perfect, but try... rpm -qa --queryformat %{SIZE}\t\t%{NAME}\n | sed -r -e "s/n([0-9])/\n \1/g" | sed -r -e "s/([0-9])tt/\\t/" | sort -nr Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From bites at vesle.com.br Mon Oct 18 22:30:09 2004 From: bites at vesle.com.br (Bites) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:30:09 -0400 Subject: Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2 Message-ID: <417443F1.6090807@vesle.com.br> Hi people, How can i install Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2. Below I list the error message: [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ ./runInstaller [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/java. Please wait... /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Someone can help me? Thank you... -- Mois?s Bites - bites at vesle.com.br Gerente de TI (Inform?tica) Vesle M?veis e Eletrodom?sticos Ltda ICQ:2153978 - MSN:mbites at brturbo.com "Jesus Cristo ? a corporifica??o do ?nico Deus Verdadeiro" From david at fubar.dk Mon Oct 18 22:34:28 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:34:28 -0400 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <20041018135914.I20173@mail.harddata.com> References: <604aa791041016094760bdce4c@mail.gmail.com> <4171645F.1030100@speakeasy.net> <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz> <20041018120400.D20173@mail.harddata.com> <1098125881.3717.16.camel@davidz> <20041018135914.I20173@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098138868.3717.21.camel@davidz> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 13:59 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 02:58:00PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > > > > Does 'fstab-sync' pays any attention to an order of entries in its > > > configuration files (*.fdi) and how this relates to an order of > > > options in /etc/fstab? > > > > Yeah, the files and directories in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ are processed in > > alphabetical order and merged onto hal device objects > > How about an ordering inside of one particular configuration file? > Is this spelled out somewhere? Probably from top to bottom but can > one be really sure about that in any implementation? >From top to bottom, yeah. > Or it is > necessary to split one option per file, to follow what you say > above, in order to be sure that results will be as expected and will > survive updates? > I don't see any arguments for splitting this into multiple files, no. Do you have a specific example where this might fail? I'll add some more documentation about this to the fstab-sync manpage to clarify. David From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Mon Oct 18 22:35:48 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:35:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. In-Reply-To: <1098135085.9340.118.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041018223548.63422.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:24, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > > I set all of my SAMBA shares up before doing any > > updates and now if I try to edit them or add new > > shares I get the following error message :- > > > > Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will > now > > exit. > > > > I will see if it works in the original kernel next > but > > I am surprised that there has been no mention of > this > > before now. > --- John Dennis wrote: > Are you getting SELinux messages (e.g. audit(*): > avc:) in > /var/log/messages about access denied? If so you're > running afoul of the > SELinux security policy. If you're running >= FC3t2 > SELinux targeted > policy is in effect. What is the avc message? > -- I am using a fully updated core3 test 3 and I don't see any avc message but there are messages at boot regarding what selinux policy is in effect as follows 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: SELinux: Starting in permissive mode Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: There is already a security framework initialized, register_security failed. Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability From lnxxprt at arcor.de Mon Oct 18 22:46:25 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:46:25 +0200 Subject: Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <417443F1.6090807@vesle.com.br> References: <417443F1.6090807@vesle.com.br> Message-ID: <417447C1.7060609@arcor.de> hi i have fedora rawhide running and this lib (actually a symlink) is in compat-libstdc++-8-3.3.4.2 here. /ds Bites wrote: > Hi people, > > How can i install Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2. Below I list the error > message: > > [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ ./runInstaller > [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ Initializing Java Virtual Machine from > /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/java. Please wait... > /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: > error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Someone can help me? > > Thank you... > From bwheadley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 18 22:58:29 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:58:29 -0500 Subject: Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <417443F1.6090807@vesle.com.br> References: <417443F1.6090807@vesle.com.br> Message-ID: <41744A95.8060302@earthlink.net> Bites wrote: > Hi people, > > How can i install Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2. Below I list the error > message: > > [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ ./runInstaller > [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ Initializing Java Virtual Machine from > /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/java. Please wait... > /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: > error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Someone can help me? > I assume you should have these packages installed, compat-libgcj-devel-7.3-2.96.126 compat-gcc-7.3-2.96.126 compat-gcc-java-7.3-2.96.126 compat-gcc-g77-7.3-2.96.126 compat-libgcj-7.3-2.96.126 compat-gcc-objc-7.3-2.96.126 compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.126 compat-gcc-c++-7.3-2.96.126 compat-libstdc++-devel-7.3-2.96.126 From diahron at earthlink.net Mon Oct 18 23:03:05 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:03:05 -0500 Subject: FC3 T3 - Resetting Sound card Message-ID: <41744BA9.6060108@earthlink.net> Everytime I reboot my system I have to run 'detect sound card' before system sounds will take effect. Afterwards no problem. Where will I have to go to set the sounds to default to 'on' when ever I startup and not have to 'detect sound card' every time. (BTW, hardware browser show: SIS Sound Controller, Driver: snd-intel8x0.) Being somewhat new to the Linux operating systems there are still quite a few things I have to learn. At this point I can't tell if it is a bug or just me not knowing how to properly set it. Advise if I need to test further and report bug. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 18 18:45:18 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:45:18 +0200 Subject: How to test Cron.daily, Weekly, Monthly.... In-Reply-To: <20041018183614.GB11599@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <20041017002437.GA15096@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <200410170147.04640.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20041018183614.GB11599@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1098125118.11591.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 ? 11:36 -0700, Tom Mitchell a ?crit : > On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 01:47:02AM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > On Sunday 17 October 2004 01:24, Tom Mitchell wrote: > > > Is there a sane way to test all the activity that /etc/cron.daily > > > /etc/cron.hourly /etc/cron.monthly /etc/cron.weekly invoke? > > > > Have you looked at /var/log/cron ? > > Yes, condider this log line: > > Oct 18 11:02:00 xtl1 CROND[13471]: (bob) CMD (wc /tmp/nofile-here > /dev/null 2>&1 < /dev/null &) > > By the name of the file you might guess that the file does not exist. > But how do I know that this little script found an error or runs > correctly. Knowing that it runs is only the first step. Some of the > activity in cron quietly does this and that and is opaque to me. How > do I know that each is still running correctly. > > The next issue is the list of things that run only once in a while. > There is a list of stuff that will run on Nov 1st when FC3 will > release. How do we know that that list does not include a problem? > > I am also interesting in matching "kernel: audit(.*.): avc:" messages > to cron tasks. See : /etc/crontab /usr/bin/run-parts -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From b.akins at verizon.net Mon Oct 18 23:34:18 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:34:18 -0400 Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source Message-ID: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fab): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_init' .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fee): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3ffd): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4010): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4054): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_flush' .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41d1): In function `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41ec): In function `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In function `EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins/vorbis' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' make: *** [build-work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/Makefile] Error 2 and the following libraries are present libvorbis-1.1.0-1 libvorbis-devel-1.1.0-1 From michal at harddata.com Mon Oct 18 23:36:45 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:45 -0600 Subject: /etc/fstab Lacks Mount Point For Floppy In-Reply-To: <1098138868.3717.21.camel@davidz>; from david@fubar.dk on Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:34:28PM -0400 References: <20041016161608.A2616@mail.harddata.com> <1098050555.7549.10.camel@davidz> <20041017175631.B1336@mail.harddata.com> <1098071367.9914.24.camel@davidz> <20041017224644.A6562@mail.harddata.com> <1098113591.3721.9.camel@davidz> <20041018120400.D20173@mail.harddata.com> <1098125881.3717.16.camel@davidz> <20041018135914.I20173@mail.harddata.com> <1098138868.3717.21.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <20041018173645.D29634@mail.harddata.com> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:34:28PM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 13:59 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > > > How about an ordering inside of one particular configuration file? > > Is this spelled out somewhere? Probably from top to bottom but can > > one be really sure about that in any implementation? > > From top to bottom, yeah. Is this documented somewhere? > > Or it is > > necessary to split one option per file, to follow what you say > > above, in order to be sure that results will be as expected and will > > survive updates? > > > > I don't see any arguments for splitting this into multiple files, no. Do > you have a specific example where this might fail? No, not at this moment. I simply wonder if the next version may not stack entries and read them from the top of a stack effectively reversing the order? Or maybe it will store them in a hash table so they will be effectively randomized? If there is no clear requirement then every such implementation is equally valid and ordering happens to be important here. > I'll add some more documentation about this to the fstab-sync manpage to > clarify. Thanks. This will work as a specification and if something will violate it we know where to file bugs. :-) Michal From cliff.swelin at rogers.com Mon Oct 18 23:52:08 2004 From: cliff.swelin at rogers.com (Clifford Swelin) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:52:08 -0400 Subject: Syncronizing a Palm with Evolution Message-ID: <1098143528.4865.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I had no problems syncing my Palm with FC1 but have had no success with FC2 or 3. Does anyone have any ideas??? From dsavage at peaknet.net Mon Oct 18 23:52:46 2004 From: dsavage at peaknet.net (Robert G. (Doc) Savage) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:52:46 -0500 Subject: No SRPMs on FC3t3 DVD Message-ID: <1098138196.5752.331.camel@lioness.protogeek.org> The DVD ISO image for FC3t3 is much smaller than in prior releases. A quick look told me it contains no SRPMs. Was this unintentional, or maybe a signal of future packaging changes? -- Doc Robert G. (Doc) Savage, BSE(EE), CISSP, RHCE | Fairview Heights, IL Fedora Core 1 kernel 2.4.22-1.2199.nptl on P-III/M IBM Thinkpad A22p "Perfection is the enemy of good enough." -- Admiral of the Fleet Sergei G. Gorshkov From akabi at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 18 23:57:43 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Oct 18, 2004 at 19:34, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: [...] >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In function >`EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 [...] >and the following libraries are present >libvorbis-1.1.0-1 >libvorbis-devel-1.1.0-1 Are libogg & libogg-devel installed? N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 QOTD: "It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing." 19:55:48 up 112 days, 13:10, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From craig_matthews at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Oct 18 18:21:46 2004 From: craig_matthews at blueyonder.co.uk (Craig) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:21:46 +0100 Subject: DVD iso fedora 3 test 3 does all motions but never installs please help Message-ID: <1098123706.2893.17.camel@Hal2000> I have copied DVD iso for fedora test 3. Burnt it and then started the install. I test the media on install all comes back as ok. go through the motions of choosing packages etc. get to the click next to install and the please wait screen for it to never progress from there. I am currently running release 2 with no problems. downloaded several DVD iso for test 3 from different official download sites and none of them work. I have burnt it at the slowest speed fastest speed, finilized the disk and none of these seem to get it to actually start the install. Can anyone shed any light on this issue its really bugging me now. Please help if you can Neo From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Oct 19 00:12:02 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:12:02 -0400 Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200410182012.02870.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 18 October 2004 19:34, Olu Akins wrote: >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fab): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_init' > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fee): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3ffd): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4010): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4054): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_flush' > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41d1): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41ec): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In > function > >`EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' > >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 >make[6]: Leaving directory >`/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/ >kioslave/audiocd/plugins/vorbis' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error > 1 >make[5]: Leaving directory >`/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/ >kioslave/audiocd/plugins' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >make[4]: Leaving directory >`/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/ >kioslave/audiocd' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >make[3]: Leaving directory >`/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/ >kioslave' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >make[2]: Leaving directory >`/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' >make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 >make[1]: Leaving directory >`/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' >make: *** [build-work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/Makefile] Error 2 > >and the following libraries are present >libvorbis-1.1.0-1 >libvorbis-devel-1.1.0-1 I posted a carbon copy of this to the kde list 2 days ago. Building it with konstruct, there is also a dumpout in one of the app-unstable subdirs, but don't recall what it was now. Since ogg is working rather well now, I haven't changed my env pointers to the new one yet. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Oct 19 01:00:03 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:00:03 +1000 Subject: No SRPMs on FC3t3 DVD In-Reply-To: <1098138196.5752.331.camel@lioness.protogeek.org> References: <1098138196.5752.331.camel@lioness.protogeek.org> Message-ID: <1098147603.18799.59.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 09:52, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > The DVD ISO image for FC3t3 is much smaller than in prior releases. A > quick look told me it contains no SRPMs. Was this unintentional, or > maybe a signal of future packaging changes? Intentional. x86_64 could not fit RPMS and SRPMS on the one DVD disc (yes, we're growing larger - FC4 can be pruning time) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 01:15:00 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No SRPMs on FC3t3 DVD In-Reply-To: <1098138196.5752.331.camel@lioness.protogeek.org> References: <1098138196.5752.331.camel@lioness.protogeek.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > The DVD ISO image for FC3t3 is much smaller than in prior releases. A > quick look told me it contains no SRPMs. Was this unintentional, or > maybe a signal of future packaging changes? Intentional - we had to cut the size down to fit on a DVD. :) -- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches. From b.akins at verizon.net Tue Oct 19 00:13:32 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:13:32 -0400 Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200410182013.33625.b.akins@verizon.net> On Monday 18 October 2004 07:57 pm, ne... wrote: > On Oct 18, 2004 at 19:34, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: > > [...] > > >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' > > > >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In function > > > >`EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': > >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' > > > >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > >make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 > > [...] > > >and the following libraries are present > >libvorbis-1.1.0-1 > >libvorbis-devel-1.1.0-1 > > Are libogg & libogg-devel installed? > > N.Emile... > -- > Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) > Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 > QOTD: > "It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing." > 19:55:48 up 112 days, 13:10, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Yes they are. libogg-devel-1.1.2-1 libogg-1.1.2-1 From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Oct 19 01:48:56 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:48:56 +1000 Subject: FC3 Test 3 - x86_64 - upgrade from Test2 via NFS -> anaconda crashes In-Reply-To: <41740B90.2020803@roma1.infn.it> References: <41740B90.2020803@roma1.infn.it> Message-ID: <1098150535.18799.74.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 04:29, Davide Rossetti wrote: > Today I tried to upgrade to Test3 from Test2 on x86_64. install is via nfs. > anaconda crashes after selection on the upgrade partition. the python > crash dump is long but ends with some error from a Device Mapper wrapper > class. Anyway DM is not used in my setup. Since upgrades between test installs aren't supported, a better bug report would be an upgrade from Fedora Core 2 -> FC3 test 3 If that gives you an error, please do file a bug report -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From seanl at nbnet.nb.ca Tue Oct 19 01:49:57 2004 From: seanl at nbnet.nb.ca (Sean Lebeau) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:49:57 -0300 Subject: Installed Fedora Core 3 test 2 broke grub Message-ID: <1098150597.5114.9.camel@localhost> Hi All I recently upgraded my system from FC2 to FC3 test 2. I did not do a fresh install I did an update install. Anaconda found my FC2 install and went through all the motions to update to FC3. I chose to update my grub installation. When I finished the install and rebooted the system the BIOS went through post and then Grub came up but it only showed my windows partition. I rebooted with the rescue disk and checked the grub.conf file. The boot info for Fedora Core was missing. I added in manually to the file and the system booted fine after that. Does anyone have any idea what I did wrong on the install? or has this happened to anyone else? BTW I am running FC3 Test 2 on an AMD Durron 850 with 256MB ram -- Sean Lebeau From maze at cela.pl Tue Oct 19 01:59:42 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:59:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: No SRPMs on FC3t3 DVD In-Reply-To: <1098147603.18799.59.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> References: <1098138196.5752.331.camel@lioness.protogeek.org> <1098147603.18799.59.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> Message-ID: if x86_64 didn't fit, then why is the same thing true for x86? and why not fit as many SRPMS as possible on the first DVD image and stick the rest on a supplemental CD? burning 2GB to a DVD is an aweful waste... and why don't we do jigdo distribution? On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Colin Charles wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 09:52, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > The DVD ISO image for FC3t3 is much smaller than in prior releases. A > > quick look told me it contains no SRPMs. Was this unintentional, or > > maybe a signal of future packaging changes? > > Intentional. x86_64 could not fit RPMS and SRPMS on the one DVD disc > (yes, we're growing larger - FC4 can be pruning time) > From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Oct 19 02:08:47 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:08:47 +1000 Subject: No SRPMs on FC3t3 DVD In-Reply-To: References: <1098138196.5752.331.camel@lioness.protogeek.org> <1098147603.18799.59.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> Message-ID: <1098151727.18799.77.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 11:59, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > if x86_64 didn't fit, then why is the same thing true for x86? > and why not fit as many SRPMS as possible on the first DVD image > and stick the rest on a supplemental CD? > burning 2GB to a DVD is an aweful waste... Well, Core might grow, and splitting it up is not logistically wise. There was a Bugzilla report on the DVD issue > and why don't we do jigdo distribution? Brought up before, read archives from fedora-devel-list -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Oct 19 02:11:37 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:11:37 +1000 Subject: anaconda issue possibly In-Reply-To: <41735939.908@lsu.edu> References: <41735939.908@lsu.edu> Message-ID: <1098151897.18799.80.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 15:48, Adam Yates wrote: > Hi all.... > having problems installing core3 test3 on my desktop. > had the same problems with core3 test2 also. > I get through most of the install process, right where it gets to the > screen > when it should actually start transferring files and preparing the rpm > transaction, > the installer stops. The computer's not frozen, I can switch back and > forth b/t virtual Define how the installer stops Also, since you can switch vt's, what are the error logs that you get in vt3? Anything "weird" in vt3/4 ? -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From jeffy5 at optonline.net Tue Oct 19 02:26:25 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:26:25 -0400 Subject: Just A Thought.....Or Two Message-ID: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> Dear Sirs, I was wondering why is that in Fedora Core, the Synaptics Touchpad is not supported, whereas in Redhat 9 and Redhat WS3, it is. I can guide the cursor through the touchpad but I cannot tap it to close webpages or access programs. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 with Fedora Core 2 installed. Will this be corrected in the final release of Fedora Core 3? Also, I notice that in the keyboard setup of U.S. International, you cannot use the cedilla when you shift +single quote+c. Instead, you get an acute accent over the letter "c" . Why is this, considering that in some Linux distributions (Mandrake, for one) , you can hit the "shift+single quote+c and get the cedilla letter? Will this be corrected or can I do something to get this working (such as mapping a key on the keyboard? Any help would be greatly appreciated From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Tue Oct 19 03:27:13 2004 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:27:13 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1098156433.28587.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 14:06 +0100, Douglas Furlong wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 08:42 -0400, Aaron Gaudio wrote: > > I've installed vino and tried to turn on the 'remote desktop' from the > > preferences, with a password. However, when I try to connect vncviewer > > to my box ("192.168.1.129:0") I get a connection refused. What am I > > missing? > Could it be a firewall issue? I'm not sure if turning it on ties in with > iptables (it should really). > > From rom a command line type iptables -La will tell you what rules you have > running. In response to a number of such inquiries, no, I am not using iptables. No ports on my box are blocked by any firewall software. -- Aaron Gaudio From john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca Tue Oct 19 02:53:14 2004 From: john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca (John MacLean) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:53:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 problem In-Reply-To: <1098111812.4447.56.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <20041018142906.73176.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> <1098111812.4447.56.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098154394.3583.5.camel@torch.local> On Mon, 2004-18-10 at 17:03 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 07:29 -0700, Hardy Merrill wrote: > > Sorry, wrong list :-/ > > Why? > > > --- Hardy Merrill wrote: > > > > > I'm on Fedora Core 3 Test 3, and having a problem > > > getting ipw2200 driver to work. I followed the > > > instructions for installing the driver (using 'make > > > install') and extracted the firmware files to > > > /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, then rebooted - kudzu > > It's /lib/firmware now. > > HTH, > Nils > -- Hardy, Did you get ipw2200 working? I had the ipw2200 working but immediately after doing a yum -y update Friday it stopped working. Getting the unable to load firmware messages amongst other problems. I've tried different kernels (.590, .610, .624) and different versions of the ipw package (0.10, .11, .12) without success. I'm beginning to suspect something went wrong with udev-038. John From notting at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 04:17:18 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:17:18 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 problem In-Reply-To: <1098154394.3583.5.camel@torch.local> References: <20041018142906.73176.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> <1098111812.4447.56.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098154394.3583.5.camel@torch.local> Message-ID: <20041019041718.GA19098@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> John MacLean (john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca) said: > I'm beginning to suspect something went wrong with udev-038. It did, you need -39. Bill From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 04:30:36 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:30:36 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:33 +0100, Douglas Furlong wrote: > Could it be a firewall issue? I'm not sure if turning it on ties in with > iptables (it should really). No... no it shouldnt. Just like starting up something like a p2p client shouldnt automatically punch a hole. No way should any end-user application like vino have rights to punch a hole in the firewall without sysadmin authorization. No way, no how. Even on a single user system...no way. Opening up the firewall should be a delibrate act and not something that is automated behind the scenes. If you want to argue that system-config-securitylevel needs should have a pre-defined entry for vino, that i can get behind. -jef From brunnopessoa at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 04:42:04 2004 From: brunnopessoa at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:42:04 -0200 Subject: After pckgs update, "ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally!" at bootup Message-ID: <96c34204101821425400c714@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone! I have just updated all of the packages installed in my Fedora distro, including the Linux kernel, to 2.6.8-1 from 2.6.7-1. I made it using Fedora's distro yum, which automatically identifies updated packages available on the server. I was using Fedora Core 3 Test 1 (2.90) and updated to Fedora Core 3 Test 3 (2.92). The problem is that I always receive the following message in the boot up process: ---------------- Uncompressing Linux... OK, bootin the kernel audit( ) : initialized Red Hat nash version 4.1.17 starting ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! INIT: version 2.85 booting Setting default font (larcyrheb-sun16): [OK] ---------------- And then the booting process continues. This is the description in the udevstart man page: "udevstart walks trough the sysfs device tree and calls udev to create the nodes for every valid device found. It can be used to fill a empty device directory with nodes for all devices currently available on the system." It seems all the devices in the system are recognized after running this program. Before updating the packages, I had installed some drivers to use the non-Intel Linux support Pentium Centrino (for wireless LAN). By now on, all my setup seems to be useful, because the Centrino is no longer identified in the system. Does anyone can help me in this issue? Tks a lot! From michal at harddata.com Tue Oct 19 04:57:46 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:57:46 -0600 Subject: After pckgs update, "ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally!" at bootup In-Reply-To: <96c34204101821425400c714@mail.gmail.com>; from brunnopessoa@gmail.com on Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:42:04AM -0200 References: <96c34204101821425400c714@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041018225746.A5362@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:42:04AM -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > > The problem is that I always receive the following message in the boot > up process: .... > ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! > ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! Quite likely something related to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136005 > Does anyone can help me in this issue? Try first search through bugzilla, although it often fails to find reports one even knows that they are there, and through archives of this list. Michal From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Oct 19 05:09:59 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:09:59 +0100 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:30 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:33 +0100, Douglas Furlong > > If you want to argue that system-config-securitylevel needs > should have a pre-defined entry for vino, that i can get behind. And a nice link from the vino config section to the system-config- sercuritylevel. Sounds like a better idea to me. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For gstreamer plugins obviously you should change the spec file to use the same gstreamer-plugins that you have. For faad2 (on fc3t3 anyway) you should add the gcc34 patch (I grabbed the one that gentoo uses) or it won't build. For gstreamer-ffmpeg up the version to fresh current and change %configure to CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -03 -fomit-frame-pointer" %configure Some of the other packages may also need some tweaking to rebuild in the FC3 environment. And that is probably why there are not (that I can see) public FC extras and livna repositories for FC3 yet - if they made them, some packages would break as testing goes forward with FC3. From mpeters at mac.com Tue Oct 19 06:13:44 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:13:44 +0000 Subject: Installed Fedora Core 3 test 2 broke grub In-Reply-To: <1098150597.5114.9.camel@localhost> (from seanl@nbnet.nb.ca on Mon Oct 18 18:49:57 2004) References: <1098150597.5114.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1098166424l.5152l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/18/2004 06:49:57 PM, Sean Lebeau wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea what I did wrong on the install? or has > this > happened to anyone else? Mine went fine - but I always do a clean install. I did notice though that I told it to ignore other operating systems, and it added an entry for my fat32 partition that doesn't have an OS (my win xp partition - I remove from the ide chain) So there definitely is work in that area that needs to be done. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 19 06:22:55 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:22:55 +0200 Subject: Minimal install of FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098136936.3469.146.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098115729.3469.29.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098118216.25537.23.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1098119138.3469.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098119949.7422.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098136936.3469.146.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098166975.3349.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 18 octobre 2004 ? 16:02 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 19:19 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > $ rpm -q redhat-lsb > > package redhat-lsb is not installed > > > > Ooops > > > > Seems you can remove it if you don't need it. > > Yes, I know I *can* remove it since it contains almost nothing > but dependencies required, and that by removing it I also gain the > ability to remove another two-dozen packages that I'd like to deep-six. > > The question is, *why* is redhat-lsb there, and whose good intentions am > I trashing by removing it? What are the consequences, possible harm, > etc. of not being LSB-conformant? > > If I'm going to publish a HOWTO that suggests doing this (and my HOWTO's > are getting over 2,000 unique visitors per month), I want to be damn > sure that what I remove does not later turn out to be valuable one way > or another. > Seems I don't understand. $ rpm -q -i -p redhat-lsb-1.3-4.i386.rpm ... Description : The Linux Standards Base (LSB) is an attempt to develop a set of standards that will increase compatibility among Linux distributions. The redhat-lsb package provides utilities needed for LSB Compliant Applications. It also contains requirements that will ensure that all components required by the LSB that are provided by Red Hat Linux are installed on the system. If an application need lsb to work properly, then the package require redhat-lsb. If not, then it's bug that should be filed in bugzilla. $ rpm -q --whatrequires --dbpath /usr/lib/rpmdb/i386-redhat-linux/redhat/ redhat-lsb lsb no package requires redhat-lsb no package requires lsb This does not mean that Fedora do not ship lsb compliant applications. redhat-lsb is a meta-package for third party, for package that will be installed in several distributions. A package that require lsb = 1.3 just add "Requires : lsb = 1.3". It's a short-cut. Should Fedora install redhat lsb by default ? I don't know. Should you write a HOWTO-minimal-lsb ? I don't know. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From fedora at ballantyneitc.com Tue Oct 19 06:52:59 2004 From: fedora at ballantyneitc.com (Dougal) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:52:59 -0700 Subject: issues with yum after up2date Message-ID: <1098168779.5421.6.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local> Hi, I have recently carried out a fresh install of FC3test3. After doing the install, I carried out "up2date --nox -fu". Now I am having issues getting anything working with yum. [root at desktop ~]# yum Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 6, in ? import yummain ImportError: No module named yummain [root at desktop ~]# I have check the rpm -ql output and it is not listed. Under FC2, on my ldap it is part of the yum rpm. Any thoughts? -Dougal From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 19 06:52:58 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:52:58 -0400 Subject: issues with yum after up2date In-Reply-To: <1098168779.5421.6.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local> References: <1098168779.5421.6.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local> Message-ID: <1098168778.30531.8.camel@binkley> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 23:52 -0700, Dougal wrote: > Hi, > > I have recently carried out a fresh install of FC3test3. After doing the > install, I carried out "up2date --nox -fu". > > Now I am having issues getting anything working with yum. > > [root at desktop ~]# yum > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 6, in ? > import yummain > ImportError: No module named yummain > [root at desktop ~]# > > I have check the rpm -ql output and it is not listed. Under FC2, on my > ldap it is part of the yum rpm. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136172 and read other emails to this list. -sv From fedora at ballantyneitc.com Tue Oct 19 07:04:22 2004 From: fedora at ballantyneitc.com (Dougal) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:04:22 -0700 Subject: issues with yum after up2date In-Reply-To: <1098168778.30531.8.camel@binkley> References: <1098168779.5421.6.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local> <1098168778.30531.8.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1098169463.5421.9.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local> thanks, it appears i have lost my ability to search existing bugs!! will search harder next time.. -dougal On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 02:52 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 23:52 -0700, Dougal wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have recently carried out a fresh install of FC3test3. After doing the > > install, I carried out "up2date --nox -fu". > > > > Now I am having issues getting anything working with yum. > > > > [root at desktop ~]# yum > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 6, in ? > > import yummain > > ImportError: No module named yummain > > [root at desktop ~]# > > > > I have check the rpm -ql output and it is not listed. Under FC2, on my > > ldap it is part of the yum rpm. > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136172 > > and read other emails to this list. > -sv > > From senectus at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 07:05:48 2004 From: senectus at gmail.com (Senectus .) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:05:48 +0800 Subject: NTFS support Message-ID: I noticed that the FC3 T3 doesn't have NTFS support in the kernel.. I'm a Gentoo user in past so a kernel recompile doesn't phase me much.. I was just wondering if there was any other considerations I need be aware of for doing a recompile with ntfs support? Thanks -- Nothing dies faster than a new idea in a closed mind. From byte at aeon.com.my Tue Oct 19 07:30:36 2004 From: byte at aeon.com.my (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:30:36 +1000 Subject: NTFS support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098171036.18799.146.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:05, Senectus . wrote: > I noticed that the FC3 T3 doesn't have NTFS support in the kernel.. > I'm a Gentoo user in past so a kernel recompile doesn't phase me > much.. I was just wondering if there was any other considerations I > need be aware of for doing a recompile with ntfs support? Nope. Re-compiling the kernel is very similar to doing it elsewhere. Using an initrd is useful, otherwise, doesn't seem like anything'll be different http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html might also be helpful -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 19 08:18:54 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:18:54 -0700 Subject: Installed Fedora Core 3 test 2 broke grub In-Reply-To: <1098166424l.5152l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1098150597.5114.9.camel@localhost> <1098166424l.5152l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1098173934.9249.3.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 06:13 +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > On 10/18/2004 06:49:57 PM, Sean Lebeau wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have any idea what I did wrong on the install? or has > > this > > happened to anyone else? > > Mine went fine - but I always do a clean install. > I did notice though that I told it to ignore other operating systems, > and it added an entry for my fat32 partition that doesn't have an OS > (my win xp partition - I remove from the ide chain) > > So there definitely is work in that area that needs to be done. Specifically... added what kind of entry? An entry for your fat32 partition.. in Grub? Or do you mean it is being mounted, an entry in fstab? If your win XP partition was removed from the chain, then did you end up with a grub entry for a non-bootable partition with no OS on it? Perhaps that fat32 partition is marked bootable without an OS, use fdisk to look and see). fdisk -l /dev/hda -- Andrew Farris - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From pgraner at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 10:29:37 2004 From: pgraner at redhat.com (Pete Graner) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:29:37 -0400 Subject: Syncronizing a Palm with Evolution In-Reply-To: <1098143528.4865.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098143528.4865.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098181777.4008.4.camel@zorak.redvoodoo.org> I just went thru the Sync dance myself on FC2, I had to update Evolution/gpilot out of rawhide to get it going. Once it did it works fine using USB with a Sony Clie. Pete On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 19:52 -0400, Clifford Swelin wrote: > I had no problems syncing my Palm with FC1 but have had no success with > FC2 or 3. Does anyone have any ideas??? > -- Pete Graner email: Senior Software Engineer Office: 703-464-1220 Support Engineering Group Mobile: 703-727-6336 Red Hat Inc. http://www.redhat.com From nphilipp at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 11:28:39 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:28:39 +0200 Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. In-Reply-To: <20041018223548.63422.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041018223548.63422.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098185320.4598.9.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 23:35 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:24, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > > > I set all of my SAMBA shares up before doing any > > > updates and now if I try to edit them or add new > > > shares I get the following error message :- > > > > > > Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will > > now > > > exit. > > > > > > I will see if it works in the original kernel next > > but > > > I am surprised that there has been no mention of > > this > > > before now. > > > --- John Dennis wrote: > > Are you getting SELinux messages (e.g. audit(*): > > avc:) in > > /var/log/messages about access denied? If so you're > > running afoul of the > > SELinux security policy. If you're running >= FC3t2 > > SELinux targeted > > policy is in effect. What is the avc message? > > -- > > I am using a fully updated core3 test 3 and I don't > see any avc message but there are messages at boot > regarding what selinux policy is in effect as follows > > 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: SELinux: Starting in > permissive mode > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: There is already a > security framework initialized, register_security > failed. > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: > selinux_register_security: Registering secondary > module capability When running it on the command line, do you get any kind of python traceback, if so please post it. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Tue Oct 19 11:39:00 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:39:00 +0200 Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20041019133900.49dc3a00.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:34:18 -0400, Olu Akins wrote: > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fab): In function > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_init' > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fee): In function > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3ffd): In function > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4010): In function > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4054): In function > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_flush' > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41d1): In function > `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41ec): In function > `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In function > `EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 > make[6]: Leaving directory > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins/vorbis' > make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[5]: Leaving directory > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins' > make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[4]: Leaving directory > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd' > make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave' > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' > make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' > make: *** [build-work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/Makefile] Error 2 Your example was cut off at the wrong point. Show the lines where the linking is done. -- Fedora Core release 2.92 (FC3 Test 3) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 0.00 0.10 0.21 From akabi at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 19 11:42:14 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: <200410182013.33625.b.akins@verizon.net> References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> <200410182013.33625.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Oct 18, 2004 at 20:13, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: >On Monday 18 October 2004 07:57 pm, ne... wrote: >> On Oct 18, 2004 at 19:34, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' >> > >> >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In function >> > >> >`EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': >> >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' >> > >> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >> >make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 >> >> [...] >> >> >and the following libraries are present >> >libvorbis-1.1.0-1 >> >libvorbis-devel-1.1.0-1 >> >> Are libogg & libogg-devel installed? >Yes they are. > >libogg-devel-1.1.2-1 >libogg-1.1.2-1 Then try configure without --enable-final. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 When you were born, a big chance was taken for you. 07:41:24 up 113 days, 56 min, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 From kmaraas at broadpark.no Tue Oct 19 11:52:15 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:52:15 +0200 Subject: Personal Calendar Applications??? In-Reply-To: <1098105346.32021.10.camel@iving.oso.chalmers.se> References: <4173358E.2070009@comcast.net> <4173BA5C.6050805@hpcf.upr.edu> <1098105346.32021.10.camel@iving.oso.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <1098186735.3981.15.camel@home.gnome.no> man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 15.15 +0200, skrev Lars E. Pettersson: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 14:43, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > I'm curious... what features does iCal and Sunbird provide that > > Evolution lacks? > > AFAIK you may not yet sync your changes to a remote calendar with > Evolution. This works very good with at least Sunbird (do not know about > iCal...) > Isn't this the same as publishing free/busy time? If so this has been possible in Evolution for a long time. Cheers Kjartan From davide.rossetti at roma1.infn.it Tue Oct 19 11:53:24 2004 From: davide.rossetti at roma1.infn.it (Davide Rossetti) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:53:24 +0200 Subject: test 3 install via NFS In-Reply-To: <4096.12.29.16.103.1098128652.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <4096.12.29.16.103.1098128652.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <41750034.6060608@roma1.infn.it> William Hooper wrote: >Davide Rossetti said: > > >>Terry Polzin wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>I've downloaded all 4 iso images, checked md5sums. Exported dir where >>>the iso images are located perms 644 on the iso's root ownership. I can >>>mount the directory, but install claims that the directory doesn't >>>appear to contain a Fedora tree. >>> >>> >>>I've done this before, FC1 FC3t2. Is this a new bug? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>nfs installa means that the mounted filesystem contains a Fedora tree... >> >> > >Not always. > >http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begininstall-net.html >"3.7.1.1. Using ISO Images for NFS Installs" > >The archives show the OP had a permissions issue. > >http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg00898.html > > > opppss. sorry for the mis-information :-P d. From kmaraas at broadpark.no Tue Oct 19 11:57:37 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:57:37 +0200 Subject: Just A Thought.....Or Two In-Reply-To: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1098187057.3981.18.camel@home.gnome.no> man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 22.26 -0400, skrev Jeffrey D. Yuille: > Dear Sirs, > > I was wondering why is that in Fedora Core, the Synaptics Touchpad is > not supported, whereas in Redhat 9 and Redhat WS3, it is. I can guide the > cursor through the touchpad but I cannot tap it to close webpages or access > programs. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 with Fedora Core 2 installed. Will > this be corrected in the final release of Fedora Core 3? Also, I notice that FC3 current rawhide includes the synaptics driver and for me it works with tapping, scrolling etc. I had to run system-config-display -- reconfig to get it working, but it *does* work :-) Cheers Kjartan From hmerrill123 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 12:02:31 2004 From: hmerrill123 at yahoo.com (Hardy Merrill) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 problem In-Reply-To: <1098111812.4447.56.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041019120231.65971.qmail@web21123.mail.yahoo.com> /lib/firmware was it - it works now. Thanks. Hardy --- Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 07:29 -0700, Hardy Merrill > wrote: > > Sorry, wrong list :-/ > > Why? > > > --- Hardy Merrill wrote: > > > > > I'm on Fedora Core 3 Test 3, and having a > problem > > > getting ipw2200 driver to work. I followed the > > > instructions for installing the driver (using > 'make > > > install') and extracted the firmware files to > > > /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, then rebooted - kudzu > > It's /lib/firmware now. > > HTH, > Nils > -- > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / > nphilipp at redhat.com > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a > little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- > B. Franklin, 1759 > PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D > 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 > > From kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu Tue Oct 19 12:50:34 2004 From: kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu (Kevin H. Hobbs) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:50:34 -0400 Subject: NTFS support In-Reply-To: <1098171036.18799.146.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> References: <1098171036.18799.146.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> Message-ID: <1098190234.7306.14.camel@gargon.hooperlab> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 03:30, Colin Charles wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:05, Senectus . wrote: > > I noticed that the FC3 T3 doesn't have NTFS support in the kernel.. > > I'm a Gentoo user in past so a kernel recompile doesn't phase me > > much.. I was just wondering if there was any other considerations I > > need be aware of for doing a recompile with ntfs support? > > Nope. Re-compiling the kernel is very similar to doing it elsewhere. > Using an initrd is useful, otherwise, doesn't seem like anything'll be > different > > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html might also be helpful > -- > Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my > http://www.bytebot.net/ > "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, > then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi I have an alpha version of a RPM based kernel compilation tutorial up on bugzilla that my co-worker just used to do exactly what you want. I'd appreciate any feedback you could give. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130754 I screwed up the mime type on the attachment though. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From julius at solutions-i.org Tue Oct 19 14:20:46 2004 From: julius at solutions-i.org (P.I.Julius) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cannot get message 4174c1b100000001: Input/output error (Evolution 2.0.2) Message-ID: <1025.80.96.24.77.1098195646.squirrel@hunor.net> Hi Fedora Developpers, I have just installed the latest evolution from the Fedora development tree: evolution-2.0.2-1 evolution-webcal-1.0.10-1 evolution-data-server-1.0.2-2 evolution-connector-2.0.2-1 but now i have a problem receiving pop3 emails. If i press the Send/Receive button after receiving the summary the send/receive dialog stops working and it eats my processor. After i press the cancel button i get this error message: Cannot get message 4174c1b100000001: Input/output error I have done a debug check to by setting the CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG to 1, and the result is here: POP3_STREAM_LINE(82): '+OK POP3 v2001.78rh server ready <1ba8.4174e92f at h-69-3-155-194.mclnva23.covad.net>' POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): CAPA POP3_STREAM_LINE(28): '+OK Capability list follows:' Got + response cmd_capa POP3_STREAM_LINE(3): 'TOP' POP3_STREAM_LINE(15): 'LOGIN-DELAY 180' POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'UIDL' POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'STLS' POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'USER' POP3_STREAM_LINE(19): 'SASL CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' scanning tokens 'CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' got auth type 'CRAM-MD5' got auth type 'LOGIN' POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) POP3_STREAM_WRITE(13): USER julius POP3_STREAM_LINE(39): '+OK User name accepted, password please' Got + response POP3_STREAM_WRITE(14): PASS xxxxxxxx POP3_STREAM_LINE(28): '+OK Mailbox open, 2 messages' Got + response POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): CAPA POP3_STREAM_LINE(28): '+OK Capability list follows:' Got + response cmd_capa POP3_STREAM_LINE(3): 'TOP' POP3_STREAM_LINE(15): 'LOGIN-DELAY 180' POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'UIDL' POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'STLS' POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'USER' POP3_STREAM_LINE(19): 'SASL CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' scanning tokens 'CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' got auth type 'CRAM-MD5' got auth type 'LOGIN' POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): LIST POP3_STREAM_LINE(32): '+OK Mailbox scan listing follows' Got + response POP3_STREAM_LINE(6): '1 2433' POP3_STREAM_LINE(6): '2 3780' POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): UIDL POP3_STREAM_LINE(29): '+OK Unique-ID listing follows' Got + response POP3_STREAM_LINE(18): '1 4174c1b100000001' POP3_STREAM_LINE(18): '2 4174c1b100000005' POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) POP3_STREAM_WRITE(8): RETR 1 POP3_STREAM_WRITE(8): RETR 2 CamelException.setv(0xa031ea0, 2, 'Cannot get message 4174c1b100000001: Input/output error') POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): QUIT I hope someone can help me out, i thank in advance, Julius From terraformers at gmx.net Tue Oct 19 14:18:29 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:18:29 +0200 Subject: After pckgs update, "ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally!" at bootup References: <96c34204101821425400c714@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: same here L From harald at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 14:27:39 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:27:39 +0200 Subject: After pckgs update, "ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally!" at bootup In-Reply-To: References: <96c34204101821425400c714@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4175245B.1050509@redhat.com> Lars wrote: > same here > > L > > > fixed in udev-039-3 From Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov Tue Oct 19 14:30:32 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:30:32 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098135062.8751.6.camel@craft.us.org> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> <1098135062.8751.6.camel@craft.us.org> Message-ID: <1098196232.7928.42.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:31 -0400, Brian Craft wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:52 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and > > having it open the link in the browser? Clicking on a link fails with > > evolution-2.0.2-1 under FC3/rawhide but works under FC2 with same > > Evolution-from-rawhide version, both under KDE. Can still right-click > > the link, select "Copy Link Location", and open via Klipper. Can't find > > anything on this in Bugzilla or list archive. Not sure if I should file > > a bug (could still be a user-configuration problem - haven't yet tried > > as a different user), or under what component. > > > > Phil > > > > > > I'm able to click on hyperlinks with no problems using Evolution 2.0.2-1 > and Firefox 0.10.1 on FC3 Test 3 as a user....under GNOME 2.8. > > Have you tried it under GNOME to see if this is a problem with KDE? On further investigation, seems to be a user configuration error. Logged in (well, "su - newuser") as a new "generic" user under the same KDE session that won't open links in "my" Evolution, ran Evolution as the new user, and both http:// and https:// links work. Apparently not a KDE problem. Have checked everything I can think of in my user configuration and am at a loss as to where the "missing link" may be. Haven't tried under GNOME yet, but will do. Under FC2/KDE/evolution-2.0.2-1 with - as far as I can see - the same user configuration (copied .evolution .gconf and .gconfd, from FC3T3 machine) hyperlinks work. Any suggestions appreciated. Still don't know if this belongs in Bugzilla, or under "Well, Duhhhh..." as my 7-year-old would say. Phil From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Tue Oct 19 14:47:33 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:47:33 -0400 Subject: Cannot get message 4174c1b100000001: Input/output error (Evolution 2.0.2) In-Reply-To: <1025.80.96.24.77.1098195646.squirrel@hunor.net> References: <1025.80.96.24.77.1098195646.squirrel@hunor.net> Message-ID: <41752905.3070903@hpcf.upr.edu> P.I.Julius wrote: >Hi Fedora Developpers, > >I have just installed the latest evolution from the Fedora development tree: >evolution-2.0.2-1 >evolution-webcal-1.0.10-1 >evolution-data-server-1.0.2-2 >evolution-connector-2.0.2-1 > >but now i have a problem receiving pop3 emails. >If i press the Send/Receive button after receiving the summary the >send/receive dialog stops working and it eats my processor. > >After i press the cancel button i get this error message: >Cannot get message 4174c1b100000001: Input/output error > >I have done a debug check to by setting the CAMEL_VERBOSE_DEBUG to 1, and >the result is here: > >POP3_STREAM_LINE(82): '+OK POP3 v2001.78rh server ready ><1ba8.4174e92f at h-69-3-155-194.mclnva23.covad.net>' >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): >CAPA > >POP3_STREAM_LINE(28): '+OK Capability list follows:' >Got + response >cmd_capa >POP3_STREAM_LINE(3): 'TOP' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(15): 'LOGIN-DELAY 180' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'UIDL' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'STLS' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'USER' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(19): 'SASL CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' >scanning tokens 'CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' >got auth type 'CRAM-MD5' >got auth type 'LOGIN' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(13): >USER julius > >POP3_STREAM_LINE(39): '+OK User name accepted, password please' >Got + response >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(14): >PASS xxxxxxxx >POP3_STREAM_LINE(28): '+OK Mailbox open, 2 messages' >Got + response >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): >CAPA > >POP3_STREAM_LINE(28): '+OK Capability list follows:' >Got + response >cmd_capa >POP3_STREAM_LINE(3): 'TOP' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(15): 'LOGIN-DELAY 180' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'UIDL' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'STLS' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(4): 'USER' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(19): 'SASL CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' >scanning tokens 'CRAM-MD5 LOGIN' >got auth type 'CRAM-MD5' >got auth type 'LOGIN' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): >LIST > >POP3_STREAM_LINE(32): '+OK Mailbox scan listing follows' >Got + response >POP3_STREAM_LINE(6): '1 2433' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(6): '2 3780' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): >UIDL > >POP3_STREAM_LINE(29): '+OK Unique-ID listing follows' >Got + response >POP3_STREAM_LINE(18): '1 4174c1b100000001' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(18): '2 4174c1b100000005' >POP3_STREAM_LINE(END) >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(8): >RETR 1 > >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(8): >RETR 2 > >CamelException.setv(0xa031ea0, 2, 'Cannot get message 4174c1b100000001: >Input/output error') >POP3_STREAM_WRITE(6): >QUIT > >I hope someone can help me out, i thank in advance, >Julius > Did you check if this was previously reported in bugzilla or in the mailing list? Are you using kernel .624 ? In anycase, I think this kind of problem should be reported directly to bugzilla. Regards, Ricardo Veguilla From michal at harddata.com Tue Oct 19 14:40:36 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:40:36 -0600 Subject: issues with yum after up2date In-Reply-To: <1098169463.5421.9.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local>; from fedora@ballantyneitc.com on Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:04:22AM -0700 References: <1098168779.5421.6.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local> <1098168778.30531.8.camel@binkley> <1098169463.5421.9.camel@desktop.ballantyneitc.local> Message-ID: <20041019084036.B15694@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:04:22AM -0700, Dougal wrote: > thanks, it appears i have lost my ability to search existing bugs!! It does not seem to be that simple, unfortunately. For example the following, generated by a search page, querry: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?query_format=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Fedora+Core&version=fc3test3&component_text=hal&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=ASSIGN_TO_PM&bug_status=INVESTIGATE&bug_status=SPEC&bug_status=ON_DEV&bug_status=QA_READY&bug_status=ON_QA&bug_status=PROD_READY&bug_status=FAILS_QA&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&fixed_in_type=allwordssubstr&fixed_in=&qa_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&qa_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= comes at this moment with six bug reports and all of them CLOSED; while I know for sure that other exist. For example - not on returned list https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133777 I am not trying to pick on David here. :-) It is just a specific report which I can identify; I was searching for it the other day and run into troubles. I am sure that this is not the only example as many times I got back DUPLICATE after I did a search before a new filing. Michal From dmalcolm at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 14:56:09 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:56:09 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098196232.7928.42.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> <1098135062.8751.6.camel@craft.us.org> <1098196232.7928.42.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1098197769.24203.9.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 10:30 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:31 -0400, Brian Craft wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:52 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > > Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and > > > having it open the link in the browser? Clicking on a link fails with > > > evolution-2.0.2-1 under FC3/rawhide but works under FC2 with same > > > Evolution-from-rawhide version, both under KDE. Can still right-click > > > the link, select "Copy Link Location", and open via Klipper. Can't find > > > anything on this in Bugzilla or list archive. Not sure if I should file > > > a bug (could still be a user-configuration problem - haven't yet tried > > > as a different user), or under what component. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > I'm able to click on hyperlinks with no problems using Evolution 2.0.2-1 > > and Firefox 0.10.1 on FC3 Test 3 as a user....under GNOME 2.8. > > > > Have you tried it under GNOME to see if this is a problem with KDE? > > On further investigation, seems to be a user configuration error. > Logged in (well, "su - newuser") as a new "generic" user under the same > KDE session that won't open links in "my" Evolution, ran Evolution as > the new user, and both http:// and https:// links work. Apparently not > a KDE problem. Have checked everything I can think of in my user > configuration and am at a loss as to where the "missing link" may be. > Haven't tried under GNOME yet, but will do. Under > FC2/KDE/evolution-2.0.2-1 with - as far as I can see - the same user > configuration (copied .evolution .gconf and .gconfd, from FC3T3 machine) > hyperlinks work. > > Any suggestions appreciated. Still don't know if this belongs in > Bugzilla, or under "Well, Duhhhh..." as my 7-year-old would say. IIRC, internally, Evolution calls gnome_url_show when you click on a link; this looks up a handler for the URL from gconf, and invokes a program accordingly. Copying the .gconf files might not be enough to affect the world that Evolution sees since the daemon might be using old data; it's often a good idea to run gconf-editor and investigate, this should show the same data that Evolution "sees". Have a look at the keys /desktop/gnome/url_handlers/http[s] Hopefully that will clear things up; if you still think there's a bug, the please do file it in Bugzilla. Dave From julius at solutions-i.org Tue Oct 19 14:59:10 2004 From: julius at solutions-i.org (P.I.Julius) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cannot get message 4174c1b100000001: Input/output error (Evolution 2.0.2) Message-ID: <1025.80.96.24.77.1098197950.squirrel@hunor.net> Yes, You have right, it seems that it is a kernel related bug, sorry for duplicating it, now i need to check out the kernel 610 and i hope it will work. Thanks for the fast answer. Julius Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > Did you check if this was previously reported in bugzilla or in the mailing list? > Are you using kernel .624 > In anycase, I think this kind of problem should be reported directly to bugzilla. > > Regards, > Ricardo Veguilla From dmalcolm at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 15:06:43 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:06:43 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098136629.3469.141.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> <1098132973.24203.3.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1098136629.3469.141.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098198403.24203.16.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 15:57 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:56 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:52 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > > Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and > > > having it open the link in the browser? > > > > Is this with just http://, with https://, or with both? There was a bug > > until recently with https:// > > > > How "recently" is that? I just filed Bug #136036 on Saturday night about > that. At this point I have evolution-2.0.2-1, my system claims to be > fully up-to-date (on T2) and I still have that problem. If you run gconf-editor and browse to /desktop/gnome/url_handlers/http and https, what do you see? What version of gnome-vfs2 do you have? Have you logged out since updating to this version (this is the package responsible for setting up the schema for these gconf keys) From fedora at leemhuis.info Tue Oct 19 15:17:31 2004 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:17:31 +0200 Subject: NTFS support In-Reply-To: <1098171036.18799.146.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> References: <1098171036.18799.146.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> Message-ID: <1098199051.2131.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2004, 17:30 +1000 schrieb Colin Charles: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:05, Senectus . wrote: > > I noticed that the FC3 T3 doesn't have NTFS support in the kernel.. > > I'm a Gentoo user in past so a kernel recompile doesn't phase me > > much.. I was just wondering if there was any other considerations I > > need be aware of for doing a recompile with ntfs support? > > Nope. Re-compiling the kernel is very similar to doing it elsewhere. > Using an initrd is useful, otherwise, doesn't seem like anything'll be > different Recompiling the kernel to get the ntfs module is a bit heavy... > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html might also be helpful For those interested there is an alternate ntfs-Package in testing at rpm.livna.org since ~2 weeks. An updated SRPM is in the works that easily should rebuild with rawhide kernels. See: http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 -- Thorsten Leemhuis From biped at comcast.net Tue Oct 19 15:22:22 2004 From: biped at comcast.net (Marcus Schuetz) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:22:22 -0400 Subject: totem video thumbnailer? Message-ID: <4175312E.5070101@comcast.net> Is there a reason why now that totem is in rawhide it no longer contains totem-video-thumbnailer? Has it been replaced by another program in another package? Thanks, :: Marcus From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 19 15:32:28 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:32:28 -0600 Subject: Syncronizing a Palm with Evolution In-Reply-To: <1098143528.4865.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098143528.4865.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098199948.3360.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 19:52 -0400, Clifford Swelin wrote: > I had no problems syncing my Palm with FC1 but have had no success with > FC2 or 3. Does anyone have any ideas??? > My Palm Tungsten T3 worked fine with FC-1, -2, and is now synchronizing well with FC3-T2. Note that FC3-T2 now uses udev, which means that your /dev/pilot link won't work as /dev/ttyUSB* are created and destroyed automatically. Check the archives of fedora-test-list, approximately on Oct. 5, for a thread with subject "FAQ, GNOME menus, first questions". Someone gave me the link to a message which allowed me to solve the problem. If you have trouble finding the link, post again and I'll find it for you. My T3 is now working beautifully. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 19 15:48:15 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:48:15 -0600 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098198403.24203.16.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> <1098132973.24203.3.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> <1098136629.3469.141.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098198403.24203.16.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098200895.3360.18.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 11:06 -0400, David Malcolm wrote: > If you run gconf-editor and browse to /desktop/gnome/url_handlers/http > and https, what do you see? > http is set up to use "mozilla %s" while https has "epiphany %s". Web browser is set to "Mozilla" in preferred applications, and Epiphany is no longer installed (it was installed previously, then removed at some point). > What version of gnome-vfs2 do you have? Have you logged out since > updating to this version (this is the package responsible for setting up > the schema for these gconf keys) > gnome-vfs2-2.8.2-4. I log out frequently, so yes. Since I have not yet managed any power- saving (standby or hibernate) on my notebook, I'm forced to do a full shutdown two or three times a day. Yuck. Having said that... I manually changed the https handler to point to Mozilla, and now everything works. So I guess the problem was born because I changed the preferred browser, and https handler was not updated? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 19 15:50:52 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:50:52 -0600 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098201052.3360.20.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:30 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > No... no it shouldnt. Just like starting up something like a p2p > client shouldnt automatically punch a hole. No way should any end-user > application like vino have rights to punch a hole in the firewall > without sysadmin authorization. No way, no how. Even on a single user > system...no way. Opening up the firewall should be a delibrate act and > not something that is automated behind the scenes. If you want to > argue that system-config-securitylevel needs should have a pre-defined > entry for vino, that i can get behind. > I agree entirely with you. Punching holes in the firewall is something that no application should ever do. May I ask then, why I was recently told that ntpd does it? Or is my information mistaken? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 19 15:54:32 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:54:32 -0600 Subject: Just A Thought.....Or Two In-Reply-To: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1098201272.3360.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 22:26 -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > Also, I notice that > in the keyboard setup of U.S. International, you cannot use the cedilla when > you shift +single quote+c. Instead, you get an acute accent over the letter > "c" . Sad to tell you, but in the effort to be more fair and logical, the quote+c was mapped to an acute-accent-c because there *are* languages that use it. (I contend that use of the cedilla is far more frequent, but that's just me.) You can get the cedilla by AltGr+comma then c. AltGr is usually mapped to the right-side Alt key. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From diahron at earthlink.net Tue Oct 19 15:55:01 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:01 -0500 Subject: Unable to Acces disk! Message-ID: <417538D5.4010001@earthlink.net> When attempting to 'Add/Remove Applications' I am asked to insert a given disk into the cdrom drive. Once the disk is inserted it can not be accessed. Error: Unable to access disk. I managed to get pass this previously, but had to reinstall system now it is happening again. If there is a setting or steps that I have to take to remedy this please inform, or should I 'Bug-List it?' From kyrre at solution-forge.net Tue Oct 19 17:34:49 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:34:49 +0200 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> tir, 19.10.2004 kl. 07.09 skrev Douglas Furlong: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:30 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:33 +0100, Douglas Furlong > > > > > If you want to argue that system-config-securitylevel needs > > should have a pre-defined entry for vino, that i can get behind. > > And a nice link from the vino config section to the system-config- > sercuritylevel. > > Sounds like a better idea to me. Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Probably gdmsetup and redhat-config-printer should do this as well. From lars at homer.se Tue Oct 19 18:11:47 2004 From: lars at homer.se (Lars E. Pettersson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:11:47 +0200 Subject: Personal Calendar Applications??? In-Reply-To: <1098186735.3981.15.camel@home.gnome.no> References: <4173358E.2070009@comcast.net> <4173BA5C.6050805@hpcf.upr.edu> <1098105346.32021.10.camel@iving.oso.chalmers.se> <1098186735.3981.15.camel@home.gnome.no> Message-ID: <417558E3.0@homer.se> On 10/19/2004 01:52 PM, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 15.15 +0200, skrev Lars E. Pettersson: ... >>AFAIK you may not yet sync your changes to a remote calendar with >>Evolution. This works very good with at least Sunbird (do not know about >>iCal...) >> > > Isn't this the same as publishing free/busy time? If so this has been > possible in Evolution for a long time. Do not think so. The calendar is the least used part of Evolution for me so I may have missed something in the setup of free/busy time, but try to add an appointment to a remote calendar, this is not possible. I think this function is something that they work on though... Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson http://www.sm6rpz.se/ From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 19 18:35:38 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:35:38 -0400 Subject: Awesome job In-Reply-To: <1097685426.4834.15.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1097685426.4834.15.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098210938.20196.52.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 12:37, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 00:28 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > And there are most definitely some improvements in Gnome 2.8 that make > > me think that maybe, just maybe we've finally caught up, or at least > > almost caught up to the to the Windows/MAC world in the area of > > usability. (I'm primarily talking about areas we've *needed* to catch > > up, of course. There are definitely some gross things we need to leave > > behind.) > > Can you go into some more detail on all of this paragraph? I'd like to > see what you mean about some things so I can then add some comments and > learn something in the process. Sorry, I was away for a while. Hmm...I intentionally left out the details, but for no earth shattering reason. I was just being lazy :-). Some things I like: o Insert a USB key and up pops a nautilus window with the files on the key o Plug in a digital camera, and up pops the tool to import the pictures o OOo now uses the new gtk2 filechooser. o Desktop sharing via vnc is now simplified via vino. As far as some things I don't like about the Windows world that I don't want to see copied in GNOME, I'm a bit a loss at the moment. I know there are some, but I'd have to dig through a bunch of old mailing lists or some of my older rants to find them. In general, I don't like the general 'feeling' I get when using Windows (any version). It's like I'm locked into the behavior M$ would like to keep locked into and it's often difficult if not impossible to change it to my liking. TweakUI is nice, but still doesn't cut it. But I can't put a finger on why. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From fedora-list at thebc.ch Tue Oct 19 18:51:56 2004 From: fedora-list at thebc.ch (fedora-list) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:51:56 +0200 Subject: nash vs. bash Message-ID: <20041019205156.195a4c74@pscmob01> hello group i am trying to encrypt my rootdisk with fc3 test3, device-mapper and dm-crypt. for this reason i have to build my own initrd which asks me for the password/key to encrypt the rootdisk. now i run in to the problem, that nash isn't capable to get userinput. even if i copy bash to the initrd and call it from nash it doesn't work. "read: read error: 0: Bad file descriptor" so i'd like to replace nash with bash at all. but nash is providing some command i don't really understand. does anybody knows the equivalent "bash"-commands of the following commands in nash? - mkrootdev # ??? - switchroot # same as /sbin/pivot_root . loader && exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /sbin/init? - mount # is it really the same as /bin/mount? i'd like to be as close as possible to the standard fedora initrd to avoid updating problems. did i miss some documentation? does anybody have done this before? any suggestions would be really appreciated. thanx you very much bernd --- begin init ------------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/nash mount -t proc /proc /proc setquiet echo Mounted /proc filesystem echo Mounting sysfs mount -t sysfs none /sys echo Creating /dev mount -o mode=0755 -t tmpfs none /dev mknod /dev/console c 5 1 mknod /dev/null c 1 3 mknod /dev/zero c 1 5 mkdir /dev/pts mkdir /dev/shm echo Starting udev /sbin/udevstart echo -n "/sbin/hotplug" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug echo "Loading scsi_mod.ko module" insmod /lib/scsi_mod.ko echo "Loading sd_mod.ko module" insmod /lib/sd_mod.ko echo "Loading BusLogic.ko module" insmod /lib/BusLogic.ko echo "Loading jbd.ko module" insmod /lib/jbd.ko echo "Loading ext3.ko module" insmod /lib/ext3.ko echo "Loading aes-i586.ko module" insmod /lib/aes-i586.ko echo "Loading dm-mod.ko module" insmod /lib/dm-mod.ko echo "Loading dm-crypt.ko module" insmod /lib/dm-crypt.ko echo Creating root device mkrootdev /dev/root umount /sys echo Mounting root filesystem mount -o defaults --ro -t ext3 /dev/root /sysroot mount -t tmpfs --bind /dev /sysroot/dev echo Switching to new root switchroot /sysroot umount /initrd/dev --- end init --------------------------------------------------------- From mike at flyn.org Tue Oct 19 19:14:10 2004 From: mike at flyn.org (W. Michael Petullo) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:14:10 -0500 Subject: nash vs. bash In-Reply-To: <20041019205156.195a4c74@pscmob01> References: <20041019205156.195a4c74@pscmob01> Message-ID: <20041019191410.GA21239@imp.flyn.org> > i am trying to encrypt my rootdisk with fc3 test3, device-mapper and > dm-crypt. for this reason i have to build my own initrd which asks me > for the password/key to encrypt the rootdisk. Have you seen "[Bug 124789] [PATCH] Add encrypted root filesystem?" I have been working on a patch for mkinitrd that adds support for encrypted root filesystems. It doesn't look like it will get into FC3, but FC4 may be a possibility. -- Mike :wq From bwheadley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 19 19:22:33 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:22:33 -0500 Subject: nash vs. bash In-Reply-To: <20041019205156.195a4c74@pscmob01> References: <20041019205156.195a4c74@pscmob01> Message-ID: <41756979.7040704@earthlink.net> fedora-list wrote: >hello group > >i am trying to encrypt my rootdisk with fc3 test3, device-mapper and dm-crypt. for this reason i have to build my own initrd which asks >me for the password/key to encrypt the rootdisk. > >now i run in to the problem, that nash isn't capable to get userinput. even if i copy bash to the initrd and call it from nash it doesn't work. >"read: read error: 0: Bad file descriptor" > > Just guessing: you need /dev/fd/0 and /dev/fd/1. I imagine they should be softlinks pointing to /dev/console. But maybe someone here knows better. From fedora-list at thebc.ch Tue Oct 19 19:42:48 2004 From: fedora-list at thebc.ch (fedora-list) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:42:48 +0200 Subject: nash vs. bash In-Reply-To: <20041019191410.GA21239@imp.flyn.org> References: <20041019205156.195a4c74@pscmob01> <20041019191410.GA21239@imp.flyn.org> Message-ID: <20041019214248.5d97b8a5@pscmob01> Yeah!!! really love to hear that! i'll try it for sure! this will going to be a long night :-) thanx you very much for your effort. su - bernd On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:14:10 -0500 "W. Michael Petullo" wrote: > > i am trying to encrypt my rootdisk with fc3 test3, device-mapper and > > dm-crypt. for this reason i have to build my own initrd which asks me > > for the password/key to encrypt the rootdisk. > > Have you seen "[Bug 124789] [PATCH] Add encrypted root filesystem?" > I have been working on a patch for mkinitrd that adds support for > encrypted root filesystems. It doesn't look like it will get into FC3, > but FC4 may be a possibility. > > > -- > Mike > > :wq > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pjones at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 19:58:42 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:58:42 -0400 Subject: strace on FC2 with 64 bit lseek In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098215922.10515.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 04:22 +0200, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > note that 18446744071562067968 == 0xFFFFFFFF80000000, > so basically somehow 0x80000000 is turning into 0xFFFFFFFF80000000. > > Can anyone confirm this - or am I totally lost here? So that probably means strace is missing an "unsigned" modifier somewhere, and it's doing a sign-extend. -- Peter From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 19 20:18:54 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: fc3test3 yum go boom after oct 17 update Message-ID: Affects both x86_64 and i386: # yum Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 6, in ? import yummain ImportError: No module named yummain It worked fine before the oct 17 update. This is from the http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ repository. -Dan From drepper at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 20:19:55 2004 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:19:55 -0700 Subject: strace on FC2 with 64 bit lseek In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417576EB.8090109@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > on 32bit x86 the 64bit _llseek seems to be badly parsed by strace. > > lseek64(fd,0x80000000ULL,SEEK_SET); > > results in a strace: > > _llseek(3, 18446744071562067968, [2147483648], SEEK_SET) = 0 Which strace version? I cannot reproduce this at all here (well, I did not have a large enough file so my call fails but this doesn't matter since the first two parameters are printed before the syscall). Did you compile your code with -W -Wall and fix all problems. This might very well be a bug in your code. - -- ? Ulrich Drepper ? Red Hat, Inc. ? 444 Castro St ? Mountain View, CA ? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBdXbr2ijCOnn/RHQRAh3eAKC/ESDJlPV6Lg34P4sTEWg5J1xjzQCcDFq3 MBhtxH6IBKX307cCcbVwpGg= =ZnVS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Tue Oct 19 20:30:50 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:30:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. In-Reply-To: <1098185320.4598.9.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041019203050.87970.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 23:35 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY > wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:24, DAVID BENTLEY > wrote: > > > > I set all of my SAMBA shares up before doing > any > > > > updates and now if I try to edit them or add > new > > > > shares I get the following error message :- > > > > > > > > Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program > will > > > now > > > > exit. > > > > > > > > I will see if it works in the original kernel > next > > > but > > > > I am surprised that there has been no mention > of > > > this > > > > before now. > > > > > --- John Dennis wrote: > > > Are you getting SELinux messages (e.g. audit(*): > > > avc:) in > > > /var/log/messages about access denied? If so > you're > > > running afoul of the > > > SELinux security policy. If you're running >= > FC3t2 > > > SELinux targeted > > > policy is in effect. What is the avc message? > > > -- > > > > I am using a fully updated core3 test 3 and I > don't > > see any avc message but there are messages at boot > > regarding what selinux policy is in effect as > follows > > > > 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: SELinux: Starting > in > > permissive mode > > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: There is > already a > > security framework initialized, register_security > > failed. > > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: > > selinux_register_security: Registering secondary > > module capability > > When running it on the command line, do you get any > kind of python > traceback, if so please post it. > Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/system-config-samba/shareWindow.py", line 537, in onOkEditButtonClicked self.samba_data.writeFile() File "/usr/share/system-config-samba/sambaParser.py", line 173, in writeFile raise RuntimeError, (_("Cannot write to %s. Program will now exit." % path)) RuntimeError: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 20:39:22 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3 Test 3 - x86_64 - upgrade from Test2 via NFS -> anaconda crashes In-Reply-To: <41740B90.2020803@roma1.infn.it> References: <41740B90.2020803@roma1.infn.it> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Davide Rossetti wrote: > Today I tried to upgrade to Test3 from Test2 on x86_64. install is via nfs. > anaconda crashes after selection on the upgrade partition. the python > crash dump is long but ends with some error from a Device Mapper wrapper > class. Anyway DM is not used in my setup. > > If necessary, I can write down the dump or try to find some old and > error-less floppy around. > > setup is: I have a Core1-i386 on hda2 and Core2-Test2 on hda5. with > /boot, /home1, /home2 and swap shared. the error triggers after > selecting to upgrade hda5. Please make sure it gets filed in bugzilla. Upgrade errors matter... :) -- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches. From drepper at redhat.com Tue Oct 19 20:48:00 2004 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:48:00 -0700 Subject: fc3test3 yum go boom after oct 17 update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41757D80.8000005@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Hollis wrote: > Affects both x86_64 and i386: > > # yum > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 6, in ? > import yummain > ImportError: No module named yummain > > It worked fine before the oct 17 update. For whatever reason the path in /usr/bin/yum is something from the developer's home machine. I use this patch: - --- /usr/bin/yum-save 2004-10-19 13:47:02.307123913 -0700 +++ /usr/bin/yum 2004-10-19 13:47:27.360718584 -0700 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ #!/usr/bin/python import sys - -sys.path.insert(0, '/home/skvidal/cvs/yum-HEAD') +sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/share/yum-cli') import yummain try: - -- ? Ulrich Drepper ? Red Hat, Inc. ? 444 Castro St ? Mountain View, CA ? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBdX2A2ijCOnn/RHQRAiMlAKDE0uHkdjICfP4asdYj48C5pWyY5wCfUuP6 jcH0n3ueAp5U59dyjnfSSmo= =PAGA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Tue Oct 19 21:14:19 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:14:19 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 Message-ID: It looks like the latest version of yum now works again. Download bandwidth was good ( Much better than up2date ) I was able to download all available updates today ( 10/19/2004 ) using yum - y update However, it did not install them. yum exited after successfully downloading all of the latest rpm updates. However, I was able to install them all by running rpm -Uvh * from the command line as superuser after cd ing to /var/cache/yum/development/packages From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 19 21:13:13 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:13:13 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098220393.30531.78.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:14 -0400, Nave, Ronald wrote: > It looks like the latest version of yum now works again. > > Download bandwidth was good > > ( Much better than up2date ) > > > I was able to download all available updates today ( 10/19/2004 ) using > > yum - y update > > However, it did not install them. > yum exited after successfully downloading all of the latest rpm updates. No traceback? no errors? Just exited? if so set: keepalive=0 in your /etc/yum.conf in the [main] section and try again. -sv From maze at cela.pl Tue Oct 19 20:24:58 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: strace on FC2 with 64 bit lseek In-Reply-To: <417576EB.8090109@redhat.com> References: <417576EB.8090109@redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi! It's the standard FC2 strace. 4.5.5-1 And it's not my code - note the kernel returns the proper results after the seek (I was seeking on /dev/hda - living dangerously I know, but that's what I needed it for anyway) so the proper value obviously reaches the kernel - so it must be strace's problem (or a strace/kernel interface although that's very unlikely). strace likely takes two 32 bit registers and combines them into one 64bit register improperly, doing something like int32 eax, edx; int64 value = (int64(edx) << 32) + eax; (or judging from the printout, using uint64 instead) Cheers, MaZe. On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Ulrich Drepper wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > on 32bit x86 the 64bit _llseek seems to be badly parsed by strace. > > > > lseek64(fd,0x80000000ULL,SEEK_SET); > > > > results in a strace: > > > > _llseek(3, 18446744071562067968, [2147483648], SEEK_SET) = 0 > > Which strace version? I cannot reproduce this at all here (well, I did > not have a large enough file so my call fails but this doesn't matter > since the first two parameters are printed before the syscall). > > Did you compile your code with -W -Wall and fix all problems. This > might very well be a bug in your code. > > - -- > ? Ulrich Drepper ? Red Hat, Inc. ? 444 Castro St ? Mountain View, CA ? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBdXbr2ijCOnn/RHQRAh3eAKC/ESDJlPV6Lg34P4sTEWg5J1xjzQCcDFq3 > MBhtxH6IBKX307cCcbVwpGg= > =ZnVS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From ernesto at ornl.gov Tue Oct 19 21:42:33 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:42:33 -0400 Subject: Xorg upgrade problem with "xorg-x11-font-utils" Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B5CF84A@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Hi , When using rawhide to upgrade x11, I get stuck on the following package, "xorg-x11-font-utils" Up2date claims that it is unable to resolve a dependency with "xorg-x11-base-fonts" So, I removed xorg-x11-base-fonts and was able to install. Oops, now X will no longer start. I get the following error in: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" Fatal server error: Could not open default cursor font 'cursor' Any help would be appreciated. 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Mountain View, CA ? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBdYvs2ijCOnn/RHQRAtfCAKC3eaYq4IKFhaBBn+yFsHCV1FUAUACgxwIb Oz4fI852fFgm6HN/azssXwU= =r50r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ant at tioat.ath.cx Tue Oct 19 21:59:29 2004 From: ant at tioat.ath.cx (ant) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:59:29 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098220393.30531.78.camel@binkley> References: <1098220393.30531.78.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041019215928.GA10475@tioat.ath.cx> seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:14 -0400, Nave, Ronald wrote: > > It looks like the latest version of yum now works again. > > > > Download bandwidth was good > > > > ( Much better than up2date ) > > > > > > I was able to download all available updates today ( 10/19/2004 ) using > > > > yum - y update > > > > However, it did not install them. > > yum exited after successfully downloading all of the latest rpm updates. > > No traceback? no errors? Just exited? > > if so set: > keepalive=0 > > in your /etc/yum.conf in the [main] section and try again. Yum exits like that once in awhile on me too. It usually works on the second try though. We know why the bandwidth is good; don't we? ;) From deji_aking at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 19 22:19:34 2004 From: deji_aking at yahoo.ca (Deji Akingunola) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:19:34 -0400 Subject: Xorg upgrade problem with "xorg-x11-font-utils" In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B5CF84A@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B5CF84A@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <1098224375.2798.27.camel@peace> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:42 -0400, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: > Hi , > > > > > > When using rawhide to upgrade x11, I get stuck on the following > package, ?xorg-x11-font-utils? > > > > Up2date claims that it is unable to resolve a dependency with ?xorg- > x11-base-fonts? > > > > So, I removed xorg-x11-base-fonts and was able to install. > > > > > > Oops, now X will no longer start. I get the following error in: > > ?/var/log/Xorg.0.log? > > > > > Fatal server error: > > Could not open default cursor font ?cursor? > > > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. you need to install the fonts-xorg-base package. -- Deji Akingunola From maze at cela.pl Tue Oct 19 22:32:31 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:32:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: strace on FC2 with 64 bit lseek In-Reply-To: <41758BED.1090107@redhat.com> References: <417576EB.8090109@redhat.com> <41758BED.1090107@redhat.com> Message-ID: The code is not obsolete - it's the latest stable strace package released by the fedora project. Until such time as FC3 is ready in non test status, you have to live with the fact that not everyone is using the test releases. And if there is an update why wasn't it released to FC2 updates? Cheers, MaZe. On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Ulrich Drepper wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > > It's the standard FC2 strace. 4.5.5-1 > > Don't report problems with obsolete code without checking whether the > current code works. Use strace-4.5.7-2 from FC3. This is what I have > been using and it works fine. > > - -- > ? Ulrich Drepper ? Red Hat, Inc. ? 444 Castro St ? Mountain View, CA ? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBdYvs2ijCOnn/RHQRAtfCAKC3eaYq4IKFhaBBn+yFsHCV1FUAUACgxwIb > Oz4fI852fFgm6HN/azssXwU= > =r50r > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From thomasz at hostmaster.org Tue Oct 19 22:49:17 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:49:17 +0200 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> yum-2.1.9 now downloads headers for packages to be updated before asking if it is ok to proceed. Is this really necessary? Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bikehead at amberpoint.com Tue Oct 19 23:05:17 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:05:17 -0700 Subject: FC3 and Nvidia... Message-ID: <41759DAD.8000107@amberpoint.com> I have been having slow performance on neverwinter nights. After following some suggestions on this news group I looked at the linked libraries in the system trying to find non-nvidia version of libGL.so. Sure enough I found some in /usr/X11R6/libGL.so.1.2 which is owned by xor-x11-Mesa-libGL. I tried removing the package, but it is required by too many other packages. I tried moving the library and linking to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.611 which is the nvidia version, but that crashed X. Does anyone have some other suggestions? I know others have claimed to have gotten games to work under FC3. Thanks for all the help... -- __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 19 23:15:35 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:15:35 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 00:49 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > yum-2.1.9 now downloads headers for packages to be updated before asking > if it is ok to proceed. Is this really necessary? > Yes, B/c otherwise we cannot resolve dependencies. -sv From jspaleta at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 23:37:18 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:37:18 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <604aa7910410191637741a7551@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:49:17 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > yum-2.1.9 now downloads headers for packages to be updated before asking > if it is ok to proceed. Is this really necessary? Now? Pretty sure it was doing that before 2.1.9. To my understanding, only thing thats changed was there has been more text output added to tell you exactly what is going on in an effort to appease a vocal minority who wanted to feedback about whats going on in the depresolution process. -jef From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 19 23:43:28 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:43:28 -0700 Subject: FC3 and Nvidia... In-Reply-To: <41759DAD.8000107@amberpoint.com> References: <41759DAD.8000107@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <1098229408.21306.7.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 16:05 -0700, Bikehead wrote: > I have been having slow performance on neverwinter nights. After > following some suggestions on this news group I looked at the linked > libraries in the system trying to find non-nvidia version of libGL.so. > Sure enough I found some in /usr/X11R6/libGL.so.1.2 which is owned by > xor-x11-Mesa-libGL. Installing the nvidia driver over the top of these libs is the real culprit of your problem, the nvidia driver replaces *some* of the Mesa related stuff blindly, but not all, leaving libs to get in the way occasionally. > I tried removing the package, but it is required by too many other > packages. I tried moving the library and linking to > /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.611 which is the nvidia version, but that crashed > X. Does anyone have some other suggestions? I know others have claimed > to have gotten games to work under FC3. This is a much better approach, using the rpm.livna.org package for the nvidia-glx libraries, and building your kernel module specifically from the sources in the nvidia driver. This leaves the Mesa libs alone, but just doesn't reference them (because the nvidia libs are loaded first). To convert from nvidia installer to this method, uninstall using nvidia installer, then restore Mesa (rpm -e --nodeps xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL, then yum install xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL). Follow instructions below after that. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=106977&postcount=76 Also, this was discussed recently with some other suggestions, searching the list archives for "nvidia" should turn up lots of goodies (as well as searching fedora forum). Note, rebuilding the nvidia-glx srpm doesn't work yet (last I tried), but that would be the idea of what I'm suggesting above. > Thanks for all the help... > > -- > __o > _-\<,_ Brian > (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 > -- Andrew Farris - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 19 23:45:07 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:45:07 -0700 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1098229507.21306.9.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 19:15 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 00:49 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > yum-2.1.9 now downloads headers for packages to be updated before asking > > if it is ok to proceed. Is this really necessary? > > > > Yes, B/c otherwise we cannot resolve dependencies. > > -sv In other words.. asking to proceed would be premature, you'd only be asking about the packages 'user' requested, not deps. You'd then have to ask again. -- Andrew Farris - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From fedora at andrewfarris.com Tue Oct 19 23:48:14 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:48:14 -0700 Subject: fc3test3 yum go boom after oct 17 update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098229694.21306.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 13:18 -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > Affects both x86_64 and i386: > > # yum > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 6, in ? > import yummain > ImportError: No module named yummain > > It worked fine before the oct 17 update. Update again, it is fixed. (you want yum-2.1.9-1) > This is from the http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ repository. > > -Dan > -- Andrew Farris - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 19 23:45:59 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:45:59 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098229507.21306.9.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> <1098229507.21306.9.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <1098229559.30531.82.camel@binkley> > In other words.. asking to proceed would be premature, you'd only be > asking about the packages 'user' requested, not deps. You'd then have > to ask again. right. -sv From tedkaz at optonline.net Wed Oct 20 00:11:12 2004 From: tedkaz at optonline.net (Ted Kaczmarek) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:11:12 -0400 Subject: NTFS support In-Reply-To: <1098199051.2131.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098171036.18799.146.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> <1098199051.2131.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098231072.8097.6.camel@inyoureyes.linsolutions.com> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:17 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2004, 17:30 +1000 schrieb Colin Charles: > > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:05, Senectus . wrote: > > > I noticed that the FC3 T3 doesn't have NTFS support in the kernel.. > > > I'm a Gentoo user in past so a kernel recompile doesn't phase me > > > much.. I was just wondering if there was any other considerations I > > > need be aware of for doing a recompile with ntfs support? > > > > Nope. Re-compiling the kernel is very similar to doing it elsewhere. > > Using an initrd is useful, otherwise, doesn't seem like anything'll be > > different > > Recompiling the kernel to get the ntfs module is a bit heavy... > > > http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html might also be helpful > > For those interested there is an alternate ntfs-Package in testing at > rpm.livna.org since ~2 weeks. An updated SRPM is in the works that > easily should rebuild with rawhide kernels. See: > > http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 > > -- > Thorsten Leemhuis You can't just build the ntfs module? Much faster if doable. I spun a new 8021q module on a P3 700, 512mb is about 4 minutes soup to nuts the other day. Ted From drepper at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 01:36:29 2004 From: drepper at redhat.com (Ulrich Drepper) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:36:29 -0700 Subject: strace on FC2 with 64 bit lseek In-Reply-To: References: <417576EB.8090109@redhat.com> <41758BED.1090107@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4175C11D.8080104@redhat.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > The code is not obsolete - it's the latest stable strace package released > by the fedora project. No. Every bug fix for a FC release means using the newer upstream version. ANd that is 5.7.2. Use it and stop complaining. - -- ? Ulrich Drepper ? Red Hat, Inc. ? 444 Castro St ? Mountain View, CA ? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBdcEd2ijCOnn/RHQRAhSxAJ4y6woP41iGhMt4g5vjXwMcRD4/dwCgtM7T hsDGryW8BZKaYDuLbI0Ha/0= =sLwt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeffy5 at optonline.net Wed Oct 20 00:51:17 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:51:17 -0400 Subject: Just A Thought.....Or Two In-Reply-To: <1098187057.3981.18.camel@home.gnome.no> References: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1098187057.3981.18.camel@home.gnome.no> Message-ID: <200410192051.17297.jeffy5@optonline.net> On Tuesday 19 October 2004 07:57 am, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 22.26 -0400, skrev Jeffrey D. Yuille: > > Dear Sirs, > > > > I was wondering why is that in Fedora Core, the Synaptics Touchpad > > is not supported, whereas in Redhat 9 and Redhat WS3, it is. I can > > guide the cursor through the touchpad but I cannot tap it to close > > webpages or access programs. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 with Fedora > > Core 2 installed. Will this be corrected in the final release of Fedora > > Core 3? Also, I notice that > > FC3 current rawhide includes the synaptics driver and for me it works > with tapping, scrolling etc. I had to run system-config-display -- > reconfig to get it working, but it *does* work :-) > > Cheers > Kjartan Hello Kjartan, When you say, "system-config-display-reconfig", what specific settings are you speaking of? From maze at cela.pl Wed Oct 20 01:40:31 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:40:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: strace on FC2 with 64 bit lseek In-Reply-To: <4175C11D.8080104@redhat.com> References: <417576EB.8090109@redhat.com> <41758BED.1090107@redhat.com> <4175C11D.8080104@redhat.com> Message-ID: then what's the point of updates? why not keep everything in rawhide? On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Ulrich Drepper wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > > The code is not obsolete - it's the latest stable strace package released > > by the fedora project. > > No. Every bug fix for a FC release means using the newer upstream > version. ANd that is 5.7.2. Use it and stop complaining. > > - -- > ? Ulrich Drepper ? Red Hat, Inc. ? 444 Castro St ? Mountain View, CA ? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBdcEd2ijCOnn/RHQRAhSxAJ4y6woP41iGhMt4g5vjXwMcRD4/dwCgtM7T > hsDGryW8BZKaYDuLbI0Ha/0= > =sLwt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From johntrichardson at charter.net Wed Oct 20 01:59:42 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (johntrichardson at charter.net) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 1:59:42 +0000 Subject: laptop mode? Message-ID: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> In an earlier Fedoras (FC1?) there was a laptop mode. That seems to be gone from FC3. But, I've noticed that there are now scripts to control the 2.6 kernel params. (http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/index.html) Is this stuff somewhere in FC3? I've been hunting around and couldn't find an RPM, and it looks like controls are only via installing the scripts manually or by directly tweaking /proc/acpi. Am I missing something? BTW: Things have definately been getting better with recent rawhides. I now can pretty much suspend and resume my (Dell Inspiron 4100) notebook 10 times before something freezes the screen (much better than the screen corruption I was getting practically every time I tried with FC3T2). The Synaptics touchpad tapping and scrolling as well as the mouse stick both work -- first time ever with any Fedora). John From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 20 01:43:36 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:43:36 -0400 Subject: Just A Thought.....Or Two In-Reply-To: <1098187057.3981.18.camel@home.gnome.no> References: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1098187057.3981.18.camel@home.gnome.no> Message-ID: <4175C2C8.7030009@sbcglobal.net> Kjartan Maraas wrote: > man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 22.26 -0400, skrev Jeffrey D. Yuille: > >>Dear Sirs, >> >> I was wondering why is that in Fedora Core, the Synaptics Touchpad is >>not supported, whereas in Redhat 9 and Redhat WS3, it is. I can guide the >>cursor through the touchpad but I cannot tap it to close webpages or access >>programs. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 with Fedora Core 2 installed. Will >>this be corrected in the final release of Fedora Core 3? Also, I notice that > > > FC3 current rawhide includes the synaptics driver and for me it works > with tapping, scrolling etc. I had to run system-config-display -- > reconfig to get it working, but it *does* work :-) > > Cheers > Kjartan > This works most of the time for me. (Synaptics after s-c-display --reconfig). I get occasional problems with a lockup or losing mouse control, but very rare. As far as the not supported. It was due to the change in kernels (2.6) The synaptics driver is now needed. Thanks for including the driver in the distribution and have it configured easily for the user. Jim From rodd at clarkson.id.au Wed Oct 20 02:10:32 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:10:32 +1000 Subject: NetworkManagerInfo not finding rt2400 Wireless PCMCIA card (which is active) In-Reply-To: <1098046284.3742.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097734904.10838.16.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1097759533.1698.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097808057.3933.1.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1098046284.3742.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098238232.4767.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > > Can you get the output of: > > > > > > lshal | grep ra0 > > > > [root at clownfish etc]# lshal | grep ra0 > > lshal version 0.2.98.cvs20040929 > > net.interface = 'ra0' (string) > > net.linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/net/ra0' (string) > > linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/net/ra0' (string) > > [root at clownfish etc]# > > This still isn't working for me. > > Should I bugzilla this? Another release of hal and this still isn't working. Again, should I bugzilla this? Sorry to pester on this but: 1. It's isn't working for me and I'd like it too ;-] 2. Someone asked for information and it's not clear if having supplied the information, it's been used, or if more information is now needed. Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 02:18:41 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:18:41 -0400 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 01:59:42AM +0000, johntrichardson at charter.net wrote: > > In an earlier Fedoras (FC1?) there was a laptop mode. That seems to be gone > from FC3. Eh ? (22:17:53:davej at dhcp83-103:linux-2.6.9)$ ll /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 19 22:19 /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode Dave From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Wed Oct 20 02:22:05 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:22:05 -0400 Subject: Anaconda fils to detect GRUB on raid-1 device Message-ID: <20041020022205.GA5622@wolves.durham.nc.us> I've been playing with having /dev/hda1 + /dev/hdb1 be a small raid-1 boot partition. Anaconda lets me set this up and it works fine. Today I went to "update" rawhide 2004-10-17 to rawhide 2004-10-19 and Anaconda filed to detect the GRUB installation. It reports only htat it cannot detect a bootloader and doesn't offer the ability to update the bootloader configuration (only ignore or new). I've filed (#136439) for this anomalous behaviour. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brunno On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:57:46 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 02:42:04AM -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > > > > The problem is that I always receive the following message in the boot > > up process: > .... > > ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! > > ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! > > Quite likely something related to > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136005 > > > Does anyone can help me in this issue? > > Try first search through bugzilla, although it often fails to > find reports one even knows that they are there, and through > archives of this list. > > Michal > From b.akins at verizon.net Tue Oct 19 22:44:52 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:44:52 -0400 Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> <200410182013.33625.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200410191844.53059.b.akins@verizon.net> On Tuesday 19 October 2004 07:42 am, ne... wrote: > On Oct 18, 2004 at 20:13, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: > >On Monday 18 October 2004 07:57 pm, ne... wrote: > >> On Oct 18, 2004 at 19:34, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' > >> > > >> >.libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In function > >> > > >> >`EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': > >> >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' > >> > > >> >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > >> >make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> >and the following libraries are present > >> >libvorbis-1.1.0-1 > >> >libvorbis-devel-1.1.0-1 > >> > >> Are libogg & libogg-devel installed? > > > >Yes they are. > > > >libogg-devel-1.1.2-1 > >libogg-1.1.2-1 > > Then try configure without --enable-final. > > N.Emile... > -- > Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) > Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 > When you were born, a big chance was taken for you. > 07:41:24 up 113 days, 56 min, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 compiling without --enable-final gave then mv -f ".deps/audiocd_vorbis_encoder.Tpo" ".deps/audiocd_vorbis_encoder.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/audiocd_vorbis_encoder.Tpo"; exit 1; fi /bin/sh ../../../../libtool --silent --mode=link --tag=CXX g++ -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -O2 -I/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -falign-functions=4 -fomit-frame-pointer -mfancy-math-387 -mcpu=athlon-xp -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la -rpath /home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib/kde3 -avoid-version -module -no-undefined -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib encodervorbis.lo encodervorbisconfig.lo audiocd_vorbis_encoder.lo -lvorbisenc -lvorbis -lkio ../libaudiocdplugins.la .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x63b): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_init' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x67e): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x68d): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x6a0): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x6e4): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_flush' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x861): In function `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x87c): In function `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x9c3): In function `EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins/vorbis' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory From zjsun at biigroup.com Wed Oct 20 02:54:48 2004 From: zjsun at biigroup.com (Linux) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:54:48 +0800 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel Message-ID: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> Hi: I use the Fedora 2 on my Intel P4 2.0G, lastday I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8.624. But now when boot it reports /sbin/udevstart exit abnormally. and start login. After logged in less than 1 minute, the system reboot again. And I upgrade the udev to 0.39 within 1 minute, there is no change. what happens that? how Can I recover my system? thanks a lot for your help. Sun Zongjun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca Wed Oct 20 03:00:49 2004 From: john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca (John MacLean) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:00:49 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Test 3 problem In-Reply-To: <20041019041718.GA19098@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041018142906.73176.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> <1098111812.4447.56.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098154394.3583.5.camel@torch.local> <20041019041718.GA19098@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098241249.4328.0.camel@torch.local> On Tue, 2004-19-10 at 00:17 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > John MacLean (john.d.maclean at mail.mcgill.ca) said: > > I'm beginning to suspect something went wrong with udev-038. > > It did, you need -39. > > Bill > Thanks, that did the trick. I wasn't sure exactly broke so I didn't know what to bugzilla. Now it doesn't matter. From darren at dzr-web.com Wed Oct 20 03:06:51 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:06:51 +0100 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 03:18, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 01:59:42AM +0000, johntrichardson at charter.net wrote: > > > > In an earlier Fedoras (FC1?) there was a laptop mode. That seems to be gone > > from FC3. > > Eh ? > > (22:17:53:davej at dhcp83-103:linux-2.6.9)$ ll /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 19 22:19 /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode Well (on FC2) that file is indeed there but its value never changes from 0 regardless of whether the power lead is plugged in or I'm on batteries. This is on a Dell Inspiron 8200: $ sudo /sbin/service acpid status Password: acpid (pid 2213) is running... I thought that what the OP was asking was whether the laptop-mode-tools located at http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/index.html were going to be included in FC3 ... Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From brunnopessoa at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 03:12:42 2004 From: brunnopessoa at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:12:42 -0200 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> References: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> Message-ID: <96c342041019201223d73159@mail.gmail.com> Hi Zongjun! I have the same problem, but I could use my system with no suprise reboot. I am not able to use my wi-fi Pentium Centrino and also cannot pop mail messages using Evolution. Seems to be a kernel problem. Check here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136111 (tks to michal from this list... he showed me this bug report) Seems it's needed to recover kernel with a previous version, bur as a newbie, I don't know how to do that... can help me? =) Tks, Brunno On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:54:48 +0800, Linux wrote: > > Hi: > I use the Fedora 2 on my Intel P4 2.0G, lastday I upgraded my kernel to > 2.6.8.624. > But now when boot it reports /sbin/udevstart exit abnormally. and start > login. > After logged in less than 1 minute, the system reboot again. And I upgrade > the udev to > 0.39 within 1 minute, there is no change. what happens that? how Can I > recover my system? > > > thanks a lot for your help. > > > Sun Zongjun > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From darren at dzr-web.com Wed Oct 20 03:13:38 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:13:38 +0100 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <1098242017.4086.300.camel@excession.dzr> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 02:59, johntrichardson at charter.net wrote: > BTW: Things have definately been getting better with recent rawhides. > I now can pretty much suspend and resume my (Dell Inspiron 4100) > notebook 10 times before something freezes the screen (much better > than the screen corruption I was getting practically every time I > tried with FC3T2). How did you get suspend working? I've got a Dell Inspiron 8200 running FC2 and have had no luck at all ... Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From mark at talios.com Wed Oct 20 03:15:15 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:15:15 +1300 Subject: Test3 - up2date gnome missing on cd2 Message-ID: <4175D843.8080504@talios.com> I installed Fedora Core 3 Test 3 on my machine the other night and all went well about from one error popping up to say that the up2date-gnome rpm was missing - I was glad to see that the installation continued thou. I havn't seen this mentioned before, is it a bug or was I just unlucky? From marshall at novafoundry.com Wed Oct 20 03:23:19 2004 From: marshall at novafoundry.com (Marshall Lewis) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:23:19 -0400 Subject: problem booting when "bootable" usb devices connected Message-ID: <1098242599.5019.11.camel@grendel> Hello, I've been having the problem for a bit now, but it took me a while to determine the actual cause... When I have a bootable (according to my bios I guess) usb device connected (such as a usb harddrive or usb dvd/rw drive) or I enable usb legacy in my bios (and I have a usb keyboard / mouse connected) my machine will start booting, but then lock hard when initializing hardware (right after it says it starts udev.. the next line.. it'll get up to audio then hangs). If I don't have usb legacy on, and I turn off or disconnect the usb drives prior to reseting, everything will boot fine (except that I can't use my keyboard on the grub screen). I can have other usb devices connected during boot (camera, scanner, card readers (haven't tried them with cards in though)) and it'll boot fine. Is it just me? or a broken bios? (the motherboard is an MSI K8T-master2 with the latest bios with a single opteron 248 installed). It seems to me that my bios is initializing my usb ports in a way that udev doesn't like... Any suggestions? -- Marshall Lewis From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Oct 20 04:06:24 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:06:24 -0700 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <96c342041019201223d73159@mail.gmail.com> References: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> <96c342041019201223d73159@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098245184.21306.34.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 01:12 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > Hi Zongjun! > > I have the same problem, but I could use my system with no suprise > reboot. I am not able to use my wi-fi Pentium Centrino and also cannot > pop mail messages using Evolution. > > Seems to be a kernel problem. Check here: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136111 > > (tks to michal from this list... he showed me this bug report) > > Seems it's needed to recover kernel with a previous version, bur as a > newbie, I don't know how to do that... can help me? =) > > Tks, > Brunno Your previous kernel *should* still be installed. It is never a good idea to install new kernels without leaving a previous working kernel ready to go, which is why your update programs do an rpm -i (install) rather than rpm -U (upgrade). If you installed the kernel with either up2date or yum you should still have the kernel. Check with rpm -q kernel. Your /boot/grub/grub.conf selects which kernel will be used by default, make sure it is choosing the kernel that works (not the .624), the 'default' kernel is zero indexed, choosing default=0 means the first kernel listed in the config. If you do not have a previous kernel installed, you'll need to download the rpm directly from one of the mirrors (hopefully you can find one with the 610 kernel) and install it with rpm -i. - andrew > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:54:48 +0800, Linux wrote: > > > > Hi: > > I use the Fedora 2 on my Intel P4 2.0G, lastday I upgraded my kernel to > > 2.6.8.624. > > But now when boot it reports /sbin/udevstart exit abnormally. and start > > login. > > After logged in less than 1 minute, the system reboot again. And I upgrade > > the udev to > > 0.39 within 1 minute, there is no change. what happens that? how Can I > > recover my system? > > > > > > thanks a lot for your help. > > > > > > Sun Zongjun > > -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From brunnopessoa at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 04:44:46 2004 From: brunnopessoa at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:44:46 -0200 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <1098245184.21306.34.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> <96c342041019201223d73159@mail.gmail.com> <1098245184.21306.34.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <96c3420410192144357cfbad@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:06:24 -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 01:12 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > > Hi Zongjun! > > > > I have the same problem, but I could use my system with no suprise > > reboot. I am not able to use my wi-fi Pentium Centrino and also cannot > > pop mail messages using Evolution. > > > > Seems to be a kernel problem. Check here: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136111 > > > > (tks to michal from this list... he showed me this bug report) > > > > Seems it's needed to recover kernel with a previous version, bur as a > > newbie, I don't know how to do that... can help me? =) > > > > Tks, > > Brunno > > Your previous kernel *should* still be installed. It is never a good > idea to install new kernels without leaving a previous working kernel > ready to go, which is why your update programs do an rpm -i (install) > rather than rpm -U (upgrade). If you installed the kernel with either > up2date or yum you should still have the kernel. Check with rpm -q > kernel. Your /boot/grub/grub.conf selects which kernel will be used by > default, make sure it is choosing the kernel that works (not the .624), > the 'default' kernel is zero indexed, choosing default=0 means the first > kernel listed in the config. > > If you do not have a previous kernel installed, you'll need to download > the rpm directly from one of the mirrors (hopefully you can find one > with the 610 kernel) and install it with rpm -i. > - andrew > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:54:48 +0800, Linux wrote: > > > > > > Hi: > > > I use the Fedora 2 on my Intel P4 2.0G, lastday I upgraded my kernel to > > > 2.6.8.624. > > > But now when boot it reports /sbin/udevstart exit abnormally. and start > > > login. > > > After logged in less than 1 minute, the system reboot again. And I upgrade > > > the udev to > > > 0.39 within 1 minute, there is no change. what happens that? how Can I > > > recover my system? > > > > > > > > > thanks a lot for your help. > > > > > > > > > Sun Zongjun > > > > > -- > Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) > - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu > "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) > > andrew, thank you so much for your help! yes! I do have both kernel version in my machines! [root at localhost bcampos]# rpm -q kernel kernel-2.6.7-1.478 kernel-2.6.8-1.624 I remember I had edited my grub.conf after kernel update, because I thought the lines for the previous kernel version would be useless (!!!), so I am a afraid of editing this again and commit a mistake. This is my grub.conf file: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda default=1 timeout=15 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora Core (2.6.8-1.624) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.624 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.8-1.624.img title Windows XP rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I have to do is to append this to the file (could be after Windows): ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- title Fedora Core (2.6.7-1.478) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.7-1.478 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- In other words, copying and pasting the Fedora's 2.6.8-1.624 definitions to the end of the file, and replacing 2.6.8-1.624 with 2.6.7-1.478 ? The other parameters remain unchanged? Thank you very, very much! and I'm sorry for these stupids newbie's questions! =) Brunno From spam at tachegroup.com Wed Oct 20 05:01:20 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:01:20 -0400 Subject: Yum Feature Message-ID: Hey, I wanted to pass along a feature request, or enhancement. I am not sure if you could add in percent a overall complete of the packages that are to be downloaded. From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Oct 20 06:01:12 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:01:12 -0700 Subject: Yum Feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098252073.23460.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 01:01 -0400, TGS wrote: > Hey, I wanted to pass along a feature request, or enhancement. I am not sure > if you could add in percent a overall complete of the packages that are to > be downloaded. Do you mean something along the lines of: Downloading Packages: gcc-java-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm 100% |=== ========| 1.8 MB 00:07 1/139 bind-utils-9.2.4-2.i386.r 100% |=== ========| 137 kB 00:01 2/139 netpbm-progs-10.25-2.i386 100% |==== =======| 1.6 MB 00:08 3/139 similar to the actual updating process: Updating: libgcc 100 % done 1/139 Updating: redhat-menus 100 % done 2/139 Updating: redhat-artwork 100 % done 3/139 If so, the place to make this request is an enhancement bug filed against yum in bugzilla.redhat.com, that way the developer can keep track of it (I'll file that for you if you cannot or prefer not to, just say so). -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From roger at gwch.net Wed Oct 20 06:33:29 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:33:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Installation FC3-T3: Installation in graphical mode -> mission impossible Message-ID: <59481.62.2.21.164.1098254009.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Hi, i try to install FC3/T3 on a HP XT1000 / S3 Savage4. I am quite sure, it will work in text mode. But as i am a dummy user and prefer klicking around the get the OS on my machine, i prefer graphical mode. Booting does well, also the initial grey x-screen with the x-mouse comes well - until FC3 starts its first splash-screen. The output is glued on the upper left corner instead in the middle of the screen, the buttons are invisible. Like this, FC3 T3 is in graphical mode uninstallable. BTW HW detected my videocard alright, altough the monitor is set to unknown. Do you have a workaround for the bootprompt? Roger From roger at gwch.net Wed Oct 20 06:36:16 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Installation on the same disk with other linuxes Message-ID: <35966.62.2.21.164.1098254176.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Hi, I would like to install FC3 T3 on the same disk as FC2. So, i put it in a separate partition (of course) and install it. But to handle afterwards with grub? How can i tell FC3/T3 not to install any bootloader in the mbr? After the installation without bootloader, i could indicate in the bootloder of FC2 where to find FC3/T3? Roger From harald at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 06:45:38 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:45:38 +0200 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> References: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> Message-ID: <41760992.5080609@redhat.com> Linux wrote: > Hi: > I use the Fedora 2 on my Intel P4 2.0G, lastday I upgraded my kernel > to 2.6.8.624. > But now when boot it reports /sbin/udevstart exit abnormally. and start > login. > After logged in less than 1 minute, the system reboot again. And I > upgrade the udev to > 0.39 within 1 minute, there is no change. what happens that? how Can I > recover my system? try to make a new initrd in 1 minute :) # mkinitrd -f /boot/initrd-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r) only updating udev does not create a new initrd. From roger at gwch.net Wed Oct 20 06:52:36 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd Message-ID: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Hi, I am still looking for nice rpm's for fc2 for the jabber-server 2 including his transports to other networks, but they are hard/impossible to find. At the moment i run jabber 1.43 with the redhat-rpm's, except the icq/aim-transport this works well. Wouldn't it be a idea for future releases, delivering the jabber-server with? Roger From rodd at clarkson.id.au Wed Oct 20 06:59:08 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:59:08 +1000 Subject: Firefox won't open local folder Message-ID: <1098255548.4767.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Where should I file the following bug: Firefox won't open a local file. Steps to reproduce: 1. Open Firefox. 2. Select File > Open File... 3. Select a Folder from the filesystem. What happens: The file chooser opens the folder in the file chooser to select a file from the folder to open. What should happen: Firefox should open the folder displaying it's contents in the browser window. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect it to do. Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From glimberg at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 07:36:56 2004 From: glimberg at gmail.com (Grant Limberg) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:36:56 -0500 Subject: Firefox won't open local folder In-Reply-To: <1098255548.4767.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098255548.4767.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <848adeb204102000361e2f871d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:59:08 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > Where should I file the following bug: > > Firefox won't open a local file. > > Steps to reproduce: > > 1. Open Firefox. > 2. Select File > Open File... > 3. Select a Folder from the filesystem. > > What happens: > > The file chooser opens the folder in the file chooser to select a file > from the folder to open. > > What should happen: > > Firefox should open the folder displaying it's contents in the browser > window. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect it to do. Sorry to dissapoint you, but Firefox is a web browser, not a filesystem browser. It wasn't made to perform such a task, and I doubt it ever will. -- Grant Limberg GPG Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x82BCA45A From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Oct 20 07:50:33 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: up2date/gpg problems Message-ID: <41920.213.164.3.90.1098258633.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Hi. I'm having problems with up2date, I think it might be a gpg problem. # up2date -u [snip] Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... ######################################## GConf2-2.8.1-1.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. The package GConf2-2.8.1-1 is not signed with a GPG signature. Aborting... Package GConf2-2.8.1-1 does not have a GPG signature. Aborting... # gpg --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY* gpg: failed to create temporary file `/root/.gnupg/.#lk0x91379b0.box.7431': No such file or directory gpg: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/secring.gpg': general error gpg: failed to create temporary file `/root/.gnupg/.#lk0x913ac58.box.7431': No such file or directory gpg: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg': general error gpg: no writable keyring found: eof gpg: error reading `RPM-GPG-KEY': general error gpg: import from `RPM-GPG-KEY' failed: general error gpg: Total number processed: 0 What to try next? I can do a "touch /tmp/test" no problem. SELinux? From pnasrat at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 07:58:56 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:58:56 +0100 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <20041019214633.GW14187@redhat.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <20041019214633.GW14187@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098259136.4497.47.camel@anu.eridu> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 22:46 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 07:34:49PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Probably gdmsetup and > > redhat-config-printer should do this as well. > > For system-config-printer there is a bug report open for this -- but > I'm still waiting for a framework to use. Yes the trusted ports selection needs some love. It's v. high on my list for FC4 (and perhaps an FC3 update). Paul From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Wed Oct 20 08:13:00 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:13:00 +0100 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 19:34 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > tir, 19.10.2004 kl. 07.09 skrev Douglas Furlong: > > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:30 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:33 +0100, Douglas Furlong > > > > > > > > If you want to argue that system-config-securitylevel needs > > > should have a pre-defined entry for vino, that i can get behind. > > > > And a nice link from the vino config section to the system-config- > > sercuritylevel. > > > > Sounds like a better idea to me. > > Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Probably gdmsetup and > redhat-config-printer should do this as well. > What is wrong with a user level configuration tool, like redhat-config- printer, gdmsetup, or any number of other things, having a link to the system-config-securitylelevel which requires root privileges? I accepted the "error" in my original statement, but I don't see what the problem is with having the above linking together so that the user see's where he is meant to go to get the system up and running. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pnasrat at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 08:17:03 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:17:03 +0100 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 09:13 +0100, Douglas Furlong wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 19:34 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > tir, 19.10.2004 kl. 07.09 skrev Douglas Furlong: > > > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:30 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:33 +0100, Douglas Furlong > > > > > > > And a nice link from the vino config section to the system-config- > > > sercuritylevel. > What is wrong with a user level configuration tool, like redhat-config- > printer, gdmsetup, or any number of other things, having a link to the > system-config-securitylelevel which requires root privileges? > > I accepted the "error" in my original statement, but I don't see what > the problem is with having the above linking together so that the user > see's where he is meant to go to get the system up and running. Currently we're not powerful enough in for custom ports. So that a user requires specific application knowledge to allow - 5900 say rather than selecting by service. I'm hoping to fix this after fc3 is out the door. I'd say wait until we have a easier to understand ui for this. Paul From fedora at andrewfarris.com Wed Oct 20 08:21:26 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:21:26 -0700 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <96c3420410192144357cfbad@mail.gmail.com> References: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> <96c342041019201223d73159@mail.gmail.com> <1098245184.21306.34.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <96c3420410192144357cfbad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098260486.23460.16.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 02:44 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > andrew, thank you so much for your help! > > yes! I do have both kernel version in my machines! > > [root at localhost bcampos]# rpm -q kernel > kernel-2.6.7-1.478 > kernel-2.6.8-1.624 > > I remember I had edited my grub.conf after kernel update, because I > thought the lines for the previous kernel version would be useless > (!!!), so I am a afraid of editing this again and commit a mistake. > This is my grub.conf file: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # grub.conf generated by anaconda > # > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that > # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. > # root (hd0,1) > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 > # initrd /initrd-version.img > #boot=/dev/hda > default=1 > timeout=15 > splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > hiddenmenu > title Fedora Core (2.6.8-1.624) > root (hd0,1) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.624 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.8-1.624.img > title Windows XP > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > All I have to do is to append this to the file (could be after Windows): > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > title Fedora Core (2.6.7-1.478) > root (hd0,1) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.7-1.478 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In other words, copying and pasting the Fedora's 2.6.8-1.624 > definitions to the end of the file, and replacing 2.6.8-1.624 with > 2.6.7-1.478 ? The other parameters remain unchanged? > > Thank you very, very much! and I'm sorry for these stupids newbie's > questions! =) > > Brunno Yes, that is correct. You may want to keep the -1.624 kernel installed, your choice, at least its one second kernel that partially works in case your system gets damaged. If you remove the 624 kernel the entries for it will be removed automatically. If you put your -1.478 kernel entry in, below the 624 entry, and above the windows entry you will be putting it in position 1. Set the default to 1. Removing the 624 kernel afterwards will fix the default kernel setting to zero. If you put it after the windows entry it will be in position 2. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From mark at talios.com Wed Oct 20 09:20:16 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:20:16 +1300 Subject: unsigned packages? Message-ID: <41762DD0.3040803@talios.com> So I went out this evening and left yum happilly downloading several hundred rawhide rpms and return home to find a screen full of: > unsigned package //var/cache/yum/development/packages/gnome-utils-2.8.0-5.i386.rpm for every package.... yesterday I had to install the GPG keys before yum would work, now the packages won't even install? [root at spawn ~]# rpm -q yum yum-2.1.9-1 From nphilipp at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 09:56:10 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:56:10 +0200 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 09:17 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 09:13 +0100, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 19:34 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > tir, 19.10.2004 kl. 07.09 skrev Douglas Furlong: > > > > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 00:30 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:06:33 +0100, Douglas Furlong > > > > > > > > > > And a nice link from the vino config section to the system-config- > > > > sercuritylevel. > > > What is wrong with a user level configuration tool, like redhat-config- > > printer, gdmsetup, or any number of other things, having a link to the > > system-config-securitylelevel which requires root privileges? > > > > I accepted the "error" in my original statement, but I don't see what > > the problem is with having the above linking together so that the user > > see's where he is meant to go to get the system up and running. > > Currently we're not powerful enough in for custom ports. So that a user > requires specific application knowledge to allow - 5900 say rather than > selecting by service. > > I'm hoping to fix this after fc3 is out the door. I'd say wait until we > have a easier to understand ui for this. I guess for the really long run for such "user run servers" we would want to have something where an app could have a list of allowed ports, e.g. 5800-5999/tcp for a vnc server (maybe a list of allowed users as well), and if this app would open a port in the allowed range for listening, the firewall would open it up as well, and when the app closes down the port or would otherwise finish, the firewall would close down the port, too. I could imagine a user space daemon that would do the opening up/closing down but how it would get notified about a state change would need some discussion ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 10:07:00 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:07:00 +0200 Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. In-Reply-To: <20041019203050.87970.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041019203050.87970.qmail@web86509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098266821.4363.92.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 21:30 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > --- Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 23:35 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:24, DAVID BENTLEY > > wrote: > > > > > I set all of my SAMBA shares up before doing > > any > > > > > updates and now if I try to edit them or add > > new > > > > > shares I get the following error message :- > > > > > > > > > > Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program > > will > > > > now > > > > > exit. > > > > > > > > > > I will see if it works in the original kernel > > next > > > > but > > > > > I am surprised that there has been no mention > > of > > > > this > > > > > before now. > > > > > > > --- John Dennis wrote: > > > > Are you getting SELinux messages (e.g. audit(*): > > > > avc:) in > > > > /var/log/messages about access denied? If so > > you're > > > > running afoul of the > > > > SELinux security policy. If you're running >= > > FC3t2 > > > > SELinux targeted > > > > policy is in effect. What is the avc message? > > > > -- > > > > > > I am using a fully updated core3 test 3 and I > > don't > > > see any avc message but there are messages at boot > > > regarding what selinux policy is in effect as > > follows > > > > > > 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: SELinux: Starting > > in > > > permissive mode > > > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: There is > > already a > > > security framework initialized, register_security > > > failed. > > > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: > > > selinux_register_security: Registering secondary > > > module capability > > > > When running it on the command line, do you get any > > kind of python > > traceback, if so please post it. > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/usr/share/system-config-samba/shareWindow.py", line > 537, in onOkEditButtonClicked > self.samba_data.writeFile() > File > "/usr/share/system-config-samba/sambaParser.py", line > 173, in writeFile > raise RuntimeError, (_("Cannot write to %s. > Program will now exit." % path)) > RuntimeError: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. > Program will now exit. This is the same as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi? id=135946 -- fixed in system-config-samba-1.2.21-1, grab it from http://people.redhat.com/nphilipp/BETA/system-config-samba/ if it hasn't already hit the mirrors. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 20 10:19:58 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:19:58 +0200 Subject: up2date/gpg problems In-Reply-To: <41920.213.164.3.90.1098258633.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <41920.213.164.3.90.1098258633.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1098267598.18506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 20 octobre 2004 ? 09:50 +0200, nodata a ?crit : > Hi. > I'm having problems with up2date, I think it might be a gpg problem. > > # up2date -u > [snip] > > Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... > ######################################## > GConf2-2.8.1-1.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. > The package GConf2-2.8.1-1 is not signed with a GPG signature. Aborting... > Package GConf2-2.8.1-1 does not have a GPG signature. > Aborting... > > # gpg --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY* > gpg: failed to create temporary file > `/root/.gnupg/.#lk0x91379b0.box.7431': No such file or directory > gpg: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/secring.gpg': general error > gpg: failed to create temporary file > `/root/.gnupg/.#lk0x913ac58.box.7431': No such file or directory > gpg: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg': general error > gpg: no writable keyring found: eof > gpg: error reading `RPM-GPG-KEY': general error > gpg: import from `RPM-GPG-KEY' failed: general error > gpg: Total number processed: 0 > > What to try next? I can do a "touch /tmp/test" no problem. SELinux? > mkdir /root/.gnupg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <41762DD0.3040803@talios.com> References: <41762DD0.3040803@talios.com> Message-ID: <1098267860.3953.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 22:20 +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: > So I went out this evening and left yum happilly downloading several > hundred rawhide rpms and return home to find a screen full of: > > > unsigned package //var/cache/yum/development/packages/gnome-utils-2.8.0-5.i386.rpm > > for every package.... yesterday I had to install the GPG keys before > yum would work, now the packages won't even install? > > [root at spawn ~]# rpm -q yum > yum-2.1.9-1 You can stop it doing this by setting pgpcheck=0 in /etc/yum.conf Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From alexl at stofanet.dk Wed Oct 20 10:34:30 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (Alex Thomsen Leth) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:34:30 +0200 Subject: redhat-menus-1.12-1 danish characters gone Message-ID: <1098268470.4214.2.camel@simba.lion> hello. after upgrading to redhat-menus-1.12-1 all the danish characters is gone. could someone fix that. Alex Thomsen Leth From rodd at clarkson.id.au Wed Oct 20 10:34:57 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:34:57 +1000 Subject: Firefox won't open local folder In-Reply-To: <848adeb204102000361e2f871d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098255548.4767.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <848adeb204102000361e2f871d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098268497.3953.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 02:36 -0500, Grant Limberg wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:59:08 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > > Where should I file the following bug: > > > > Firefox won't open a local file. Ooops, that should have been folder (not file) > > Steps to reproduce: > > > > 1. Open Firefox. > > 2. Select File > Open File... > > 3. Select a Folder from the filesystem. > > > > What happens: > > > > The file chooser opens the folder in the file chooser to select a file > > from the folder to open. > > > > What should happen: > > > > Firefox should open the folder displaying it's contents in the browser > > window. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect it to do. > > Sorry to dissapoint you, but Firefox is a web browser, not a > filesystem browser. It wasn't made to perform such a task, and I > doubt it ever will. Actually Firefox will happily open (view) a folder on your local file system. Try opening file:///home/ in firefoxes location bar. Alternatively, you can drag and drop folders from your desktop or nautilus to firefox and it will list the content of the folder (but strangely this doesn't work with the HOME icon). In my case I have bookmarked a folder that I use as the root for a multimedia CD we're producing using scripts that parse files and produce a html based CD. The last one was very well reviewed because it worked well and was able to 'run' across a range of platforms, instead of just working on Windows (and possibly Mac). Sadly, while Firefox will happily display the contents of folders, the file-picker will not open a folder, but only files. If you want to open a folder, then you have to pick a file and then make changes manually in the location bar to view the contents of folders. I'm asking were to file the bug, because Firefoxes standing file chooser has been replaced with the GTK+-2.4 File Chooser and as such it may be a bug for each firefox, redhat (or both). Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Oct 20 10:43:29 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:43:29 +0200 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1098269009.20131.82.camel@hostmaster.org> On Die, 2004-10-19 at 19:15 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 00:49 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > yum-2.1.9 now downloads headers for packages to be updated before asking > > if it is ok to proceed. Is this really necessary? > > Yes, B/c otherwise we cannot resolve dependencies. I thought dependency resolution was done using repodata. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pnasrat at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 11:14:19 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:14:19 +0100 Subject: up2date/gpg problems In-Reply-To: <41920.213.164.3.90.1098258633.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <41920.213.164.3.90.1098258633.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1098270859.28171.4.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 09:50 +0200, nodata wrote: > Hi. > I'm having problems with up2date, I think it might be a gpg problem. > > # up2date -u > [snip] > > Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... > ######################################## > GConf2-2.8.1-1.i386.rpm: ########################## Done. > The package GConf2-2.8.1-1 is not signed with a GPG signature. Aborting... > Package GConf2-2.8.1-1 does not have a GPG signature. > Aborting... Re-ead the error message: It's not signed rather than unknown key. > > # gpg --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY* For rpm/yum/up2date you need to do rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY* With rawhide things are often unsigned. Use --nosigs with up2date or disable gpg checking in the config. Paul From b.akins at verizon.net Wed Oct 20 11:42:43 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:42:43 -0400 Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: <20041019133900.49dc3a00.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> <20041019133900.49dc3a00.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <200410200742.44978.b.akins@verizon.net> On Tuesday 19 October 2004 07:39 am, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:34:18 -0400, Olu Akins wrote: > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fab): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_init' > > > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3fee): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > > > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x3ffd): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > > > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4010): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > > > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4054): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_flush' > > > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41d1): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' > > > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x41ec): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' > > > > .libs/libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis_la.all_cpp.o(.text+0x4333): In function > > > > `EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': > > : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' > > > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 > > make[6]: Leaving directory > > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kiosl > >ave/audiocd/plugins/vorbis' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[5]: Leaving directory > > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kiosl > >ave/audiocd/plugins' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[4]: Leaving directory > > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kiosl > >ave/audiocd' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[3]: Leaving directory > > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kiosl > >ave' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[2]: Leaving directory > > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' > > make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 > > make[1]: Leaving directory > > `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' > > make: *** [build-work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/Makefile] Error 2 > > Your example was cut off at the wrong point. Show the lines where the > linking is done. > > -- > Fedora Core release 2.92 (FC3 Test 3) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 > loadavg: 0.00 0.10 0.21 After the lastest package upgrade, this is the error message make[6]: Entering directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins/wav' make[6]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins/wav' Making all in vorbis make[6]: Entering directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins/vorbis' /bin/sh ../../../../libtool --silent --mode=link --tag=CXX g++ -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -O2 -I/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -falign-functions=4 -fomit-frame-pointer -mfancy-math-387 -mcpu=athlon-xp -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la -rpath /home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib/kde3 -avoid-version -module -no-undefined -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib encodervorbis.lo encodervorbisconfig.lo audiocd_vorbis_encoder.lo -lvorbisenc -lvorbis -lkio ../libaudiocdplugins.la .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x63b): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_init' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x67e): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x68d): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x6a0): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x6e4): In function `EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_flush' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x861): In function `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_packetin' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x87c): In function `EncoderVorbis::flush_vorbis()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_pageout' .libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x9c3): In function `EncoderVorbis::readCleanup()': : undefined reference to `ogg_stream_clear' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[6]: *** [libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la] Error 1 make[6]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins/vorbis' make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd/plugins' make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave/audiocd' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/kioslave' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/tsunami/konstruct/kde/kdemultimedia/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1' make: *** [build-work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/Makefile] Error 2 From pnasrat at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 11:45:34 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:45:34 +0100 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098269009.20131.82.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> <1098269009.20131.82.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1098272734.28171.10.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 12:43 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > On Die, 2004-10-19 at 19:15 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 00:49 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > > yum-2.1.9 now downloads headers for packages to be updated before asking > > > if it is ok to proceed. Is this really necessary? > > > > Yes, B/c otherwise we cannot resolve dependencies. > > I thought dependency resolution was done using repodata. Yes and no. Headers are downloaded in order to pack a transaction for ts.check(), currently rpm-python offers no way to generate headers, so the real thing is needed. I think everyone should be able to see[0] the performance gain to using the repo metadata in yum 2.1.x Paul [0] Except on certain low memory machines where performance is probably equivalent to yum 2.0.x From b.akins at verizon.net Wed Oct 20 08:00:06 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:00:06 +0000 Subject: Unable to read the Terminal Message-ID: <41761B06.5090800@verizon.net> I am not able to read the contents of a terminal when a terminal is opened at the login screen. Ctrl-Alt-F4 to get to a terminal and when I tried to edit any file, all I see is garbled text. From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 12:04:09 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NetworkManagerInfo not finding rt2400 Wireless PCMCIA card (which is active) In-Reply-To: <1098238232.4767.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1097734904.10838.16.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1097759533.1698.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097808057.3933.1.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1098046284.3742.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098238232.4767.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Rod, Can you post the whole section from lshal for this card? I just plugged my orninoco in last night, and it seems to get the info.capabilities of "net.80203", which indicates that HAL thinks its a wired card. HAL checks for a specific file in sys to see whether or not its a wired card, and it might be that this file is not present until the driver is inited or something. Can you post the whole "ra0" section from lshal, and then we'll be able to see if thats also the case with you? Dan On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > > > > > Can you get the output of: > > > > > > > > lshal | grep ra0 > > > > > > [root at clownfish etc]# lshal | grep ra0 > > > lshal version 0.2.98.cvs20040929 > > > net.interface = 'ra0' (string) > > > net.linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/net/ra0' (string) > > > linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/class/net/ra0' (string) > > > [root at clownfish etc]# > > > > This still isn't working for me. > > > > Should I bugzilla this? > > Another release of hal and this still isn't working. > > Again, should I bugzilla this? > > Sorry to pester on this but: > 1. It's isn't working for me and I'd like it too ;-] > 2. Someone asked for information and it's not clear if having supplied > the information, it's been used, or if more information is now needed. > > > Rodd > -- > >From the pain come the dream > >From the dream come the vision > >From the vision come the people > >From the people come the power > >From this power come the change > > - Peter Gabriel > From ernesto at ornl.gov Wed Oct 20 12:33:17 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:33:17 -0400 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA867@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Linux Sent: Tue 10/19/2004 10:54 PM To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel Hi: I use the Fedora 2 on my Intel P4 2.0G, lastday I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8.624. But now when boot it reports /sbin/udevstart exit abnormally. and start login. After logged in less than 1 minute, the system reboot again. And I upgrade the udev to 0.39 within 1 minute, there is no change. what happens that? how Can I recover my system? When this sort of thing happened to me, I used the Fedora rescue CD. After getting to a root prompt, I then ran udevstart and all was well. thanks a lot for your help. Sun Zongjun From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 20 12:42:13 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:42:13 -0400 Subject: Yum Feature In-Reply-To: <1098252073.23460.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <1098252073.23460.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <1098276133.2399.18.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 23:01 -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 01:01 -0400, TGS wrote: > > Hey, I wanted to pass along a feature request, or enhancement. I am not sure > > if you could add in percent a overall complete of the packages that are to > > be downloaded. > > Do you mean something along the lines of: > > Downloading Packages: > gcc-java-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm 100% |=== ========| 1.8 MB 00:07 1/139 > bind-utils-9.2.4-2.i386.r 100% |=== ========| 137 kB 00:01 2/139 > netpbm-progs-10.25-2.i386 100% |==== =======| 1.6 MB 00:08 3/139 > > similar to the actual updating process: > Updating: libgcc 100 % done 1/139 > Updating: redhat-menus 100 % done 2/139 > Updating: redhat-artwork 100 % done 3/139 > > If so, the place to make this request is an enhancement bug filed > against yum in bugzilla.redhat.com, that way the developer can keep > track of it (I'll file that for you if you cannot or prefer not to, just > say so). Don't file RFE's in red hat's bugzilla. Put them in yum's bugzilla, please. -sv From fiveacres at stardel.com Wed Oct 20 12:44:59 2004 From: fiveacres at stardel.com (Elaine Normandy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:44:59 -0600 Subject: Playing an audio CD Message-ID: <41765DCB.7090504@stardel.com> How should I play an audio CD on FC3T3? I have both ripped and played audio CD's with this hardware on FC2. I hve the following entry in fstab /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder iso9660,udf pamconsole,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 and can read data CD's without difficulty. -- Elaine Normandy Weblog: http://www.stardel.com/fiveacres/ From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Oct 20 12:51:30 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:51:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Unable to read the Terminal Message-ID: <34752.213.164.3.90.1098276690.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > I am not able to read the contents of a terminal Are you seeing funny characters where you might expect colour, or everywhere? From kmaraas at broadpark.no Wed Oct 20 11:34:47 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:34:47 +0200 Subject: Just A Thought.....Or Two In-Reply-To: <200410192051.17297.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200410182226.25796.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1098187057.3981.18.camel@home.gnome.no> <200410192051.17297.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1098272088.4058.2.camel@home.gnome.no> tir, 19,.10.2004 kl. 20.51 -0400, skrev Jeffrey D. Yuille: > On Tuesday 19 October 2004 07:57 am, Kjartan Maraas wrote: > > man, 18,.10.2004 kl. 22.26 -0400, skrev Jeffrey D. Yuille: > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > I was wondering why is that in Fedora Core, the Synaptics Touchpad > > > is not supported, whereas in Redhat 9 and Redhat WS3, it is. I can > > > guide the cursor through the touchpad but I cannot tap it to close > > > webpages or access programs. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 with Fedora > > > Core 2 installed. Will this be corrected in the final release of Fedora > > > Core 3? Also, I notice that > > > > FC3 current rawhide includes the synaptics driver and for me it works > > with tapping, scrolling etc. I had to run system-config-display -- > > reconfig to get it working, but it *does* work :-) > > > > Cheers > > Kjartan > > > Hello Kjartan, > > When you say, "system-config-display-reconfig", what specific settings > are you speaking of? > I meant system-config-display --reconfig and just set the relevant data for display and graphics card. This should set up the bits for the synaptics touchpad automagically if it's detected correctly I think. It saved a backup of xorg.conf for me so you should check the differences in there to see what it actually did. Cheers Kjartan From harald at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 13:11:15 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:11:15 +0200 Subject: Playing an audio CD In-Reply-To: <41765DCB.7090504@stardel.com> References: <41765DCB.7090504@stardel.com> Message-ID: <417663F3.3060804@redhat.com> Elaine Normandy wrote: > How should I play an audio CD on FC3T3? I have both ripped and played > audio CD's with this hardware on FC2. > I hve the following entry in fstab > > /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder iso9660,udf > pamconsole,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > > and can read data CD's without difficulty. > /dev/cdrom should be a symlink to /dev/hdc ... and you should have read-write access to /dev/hdc because of pam_console From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 13:15:10 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> D. D. Brierton said: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 03:18, Dave Jones wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 01:59:42AM +0000, johntrichardson at charter.net >> wrote: >> >>> >>> In an earlier Fedoras (FC1?) there was a laptop mode. That seems to >>> be gone from FC3. >> >> Eh ? >> >> >> (22:17:53:davej at dhcp83-103:linux-2.6.9)$ ll /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 19 22:19 /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode >> > > Well (on FC2) that file is indeed there but its value never changes from > 0 regardless of whether the power lead is plugged in or I'm on batteries. To quote the FC1 release notes: To enable laptop mode, issue the following command: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode To disable laptop mode, issue the following command: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode -- William Hooper From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 20 13:31:34 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unable to compile kdemultimedia from source In-Reply-To: <200410191844.53059.b.akins@verizon.net> References: <200410181934.19056.b.akins@verizon.net> <200410182013.33625.b.akins@verizon.net> <200410191844.53059.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Oct 19, 2004 at 18:44, Olu Akins in a soothing rage wrote: [...] >compiling without --enable-final gave Hmmm, seems that is not a problem. >then mv -f ".deps/audiocd_vorbis_encoder.Tpo" >".deps/audiocd_vorbis_encoder.Plo"; else rm -f >".deps/audiocd_vorbis_encoder.Tpo"; exit 1; fi >/bin/sh ../../../../libtool --silent --mode=link --tag=CXX g++ >-Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 >-D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W >-Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -O2 -I/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/include >-I/usr/X11R6/include -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib >-falign-functions=4 -fomit-frame-pointer -mfancy-math-387 -mcpu=athlon-xp >-Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new >-fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL >-DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib >-L/usr/X11R6/lib -o libaudiocd_encoder_vorbis.la >-rpath /home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib/kde3 -avoid-version -module -no-undefined >-Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined -L/usr/X11R6/lib >-L/home/tsunami/kde3.3.1/lib encodervorbis.lo encodervorbisconfig.lo >audiocd_vorbis_encoder.lo -lvorbisenc -lvorbis -lkio ../libaudiocdplugins.la >.libs/encodervorbis.o(.text+0x63b): In function >`EncoderVorbis::readInit(long)': >: undefined reference to `ogg_stream_init' In the lines above, I see libvorbis is picked up but not libogg. I suspect that this is what is causing the abend. I see you are using konstruct. I just checked the help for kdemultimedia and see that you can explicitely specify '--with-vorbis'. I would try using the '--with-extra-libs' and '--with-extra-includes' to set the paths to libogg. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 There are people so addicted to exaggeration that they can't tell the truth without lying. -- Josh Billings 09:24:52 up 114 days, 2:39, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 13:44:10 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:44:10 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102006444f92ce0c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:13:00 +0100, Douglas Furlong wrote: > What is wrong with a user level configuration tool, like redhat-config- > printer, gdmsetup, or any number of other things, having a link to the > system-config-securitylelevel which requires root privileges? You are still thinking single user system where the user is also the sysadmin. You have to think of a solution that makes sense in a multiuser environment, and in a multiuser environment having users see the s-c-* password dialogs come up everytime a normal user tries to start up a service that needs an open port isn't necessarily a great idea. For my home system your suggestion would work for me. But on my system at work, that sort of thing isn't so great. You could make it a bit better and add a way to configure the operating system to NOT show the s-c-* password dialogs in the multiuser case but I'm not sure I like this complexity. For any config gui that already needs administrator privledges to do its job, this idea to link to s-c-securitylevel is fine. But for vino, the subject of this thread, and which is an end-user controlled service and end-user configuration gui to setup, having any sort of link to a root password protected tool I think is not appropriate. For vino and end-user services like it, I'd much rather find a clever way for the service to try to determine if the firewall is allowing port access or not on the port that is needed, and if not to prompt the user with a message dialog to contact the system administrator concerning the firewall configuration. I do not want normal users on a multiuser system to ever be prompted for the root password if I can help it. -jef From darren at dzr-web.com Wed Oct 20 13:44:15 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:44:15 +0100 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1098279855.4086.305.camel@excession.dzr> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 14:15, William Hooper wrote: > To quote the FC1 release notes: Ah -- I missed that (I went straight from RHL9 to FC2). I think the scripts distributed as laptop-mode-tools automate that process. I haven't checked out FC3t[1-3] yet -- do they come with scripts to automate some of the various ACPI power saving things one would do on a laptop, or do you still have to write your own? Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From cjbeat at centrum.cz Wed Oct 20 14:04:50 2004 From: cjbeat at centrum.cz (M.Holubec) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:04:50 +0200 Subject: ant produces error Message-ID: <41767082.1090700@centrum.cz> Hello, i've problem with ant (ant-1.5.2-26, downloaded with yum). If i want to compile everything, ant says: $ ant Buildfile: build.xml BUILD FAILED XML parser factory has not been configured correctly: Provider org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserFactoryImpl not found Total time: 0 seconds Some help please? Best regards M.Holubec From cjbeat at centrum.cz Wed Oct 20 14:04:58 2004 From: cjbeat at centrum.cz (M.Holubec) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:04:58 +0200 Subject: keyboard special characters don't work in netbeans and other apps Message-ID: <4176708A.7040401@centrum.cz> Hello, i've problem with keyboard. If i want to type some special charakters like quotes or apostrofes, i must to press the keyboard button twice. Problem is, that this trick don't worx in any applications (like netbeans). i'm using FC2, KDE (kdebase-3.2.2-6.FC2, kdelibs-3.2.2-8.FC2,...) with U.S. international keyboard defaultly. In system-config-keyboard i've configured U.S. intl keyb too. Thank u a lot Best regards M.Holubec From brunnopessoa at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 14:15:16 2004 From: brunnopessoa at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:15:16 -0300 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <1098260486.23460.16.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <000e01c4b650$3a2e2c80$3500a8c0@bii08> <96c342041019201223d73159@mail.gmail.com> <1098245184.21306.34.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <96c3420410192144357cfbad@mail.gmail.com> <1098260486.23460.16.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <96c34204102007155b13562d@mail.gmail.com> Tks, andrew! I can boot both kernels and also Windows now, but when I load the previous kernel (kernel-2.6.7-1.478), it seems there are some packg dependencies to be satisfied. My main target could not be reached, which was to identify Pentium Centrino. Any ideas? I'll search google to find sth on this. Tks in advance, Brunno On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:21:26 -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 02:44 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > > andrew, thank you so much for your help! > > > > yes! I do have both kernel version in my machines! > > > > [root at localhost bcampos]# rpm -q kernel > > kernel-2.6.7-1.478 > > kernel-2.6.8-1.624 > > > > I remember I had edited my grub.conf after kernel update, because I > > thought the lines for the previous kernel version would be useless > > (!!!), so I am a afraid of editing this again and commit a mistake. > > This is my grub.conf file: > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # grub.conf generated by anaconda > > # > > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this > file > > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that > > # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. > > # root (hd0,1) > > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 > > # initrd /initrd-version.img > > #boot=/dev/hda > > default=1 > > timeout=15 > > splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > > hiddenmenu > > title Fedora Core (2.6.8-1.624) > > root (hd0,1) > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-1.624 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > > initrd /initrd-2.6.8-1.624.img > > title Windows XP > > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > > chainloader +1 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > All I have to do is to append this to the file (could be after > Windows): > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > title Fedora Core (2.6.7-1.478) > > root (hd0,1) > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.7-1.478 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > > initrd /initrd-2.6.7-1.478.img > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > In other words, copying and pasting the Fedora's 2.6.8-1.624 > > definitions to the end of the file, and replacing 2.6.8-1.624 with > > 2.6.7-1.478 ? The other parameters remain unchanged? > > > > Thank you very, very much! and I'm sorry for these stupids newbie's > > questions! =) > > > > Brunno > > Yes, that is correct. You may want to keep the -1.624 kernel installed, > your choice, at least its one second kernel that partially works in case > your system gets damaged. > > If you remove the 624 kernel the entries for it will be removed > automatically. If you put your -1.478 kernel entry in, below the 624 > entry, and above the windows entry you will be putting it in position 1. > Set the default to 1. Removing the 624 kernel afterwards will fix the > default kernel setting to zero. > > If you put it after the windows entry it will be in position 2. > > -- > Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) > - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu > "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From brunnopessoa at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 14:20:32 2004 From: brunnopessoa at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:20:32 -0300 Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA867@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> References: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B0FA867@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: <96c3420410200720123c75eb@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:33:17 -0400, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Linux > Sent: Tue 10/19/2004 10:54 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: system reboot always after upgrade kernel > > Hi: > I use the Fedora 2 on my Intel P4 2.0G, lastday I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8.624. > But now when boot it reports /sbin/udevstart exit abnormally. and start login. > After logged in less than 1 minute, the system reboot again. And I upgrade the udev to > 0.39 within 1 minute, there is no change. what happens that? how Can I recover my system? > > When this sort of thing happened to me, I used the Fedora rescue CD. > After getting to a root prompt, I then ran udevstart and all was well. > > > > > thanks a lot for your help. > > Sun Zongjun > To run the udevstart from the CD? you mean every time Linux is booted up? tks, Brunno From eric.beyer at lnxfrk.net Wed Oct 20 14:27:41 2004 From: eric.beyer at lnxfrk.net (Eric Beyer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:27:41 -0500 Subject: Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <417443F1.6090807@vesle.com.br> References: <417443F1.6090807@vesle.com.br> Message-ID: <1098282461.417675dd586be@webmail.lnxfrk.net> Quoting Bites : > Hi people, > > How can i install Oracle 9i in Fedora Core 2. Below I list the error > message: > > [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ ./runInstaller > [oracle at gerenciaTI Disk1]$ Initializing Java Virtual Machine from > /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/java. Please wait... > /tmp/OraInstall2004-10-18_06-21-57PM/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: > error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Someone can help me? As mentioned by Bryan you need to install the compat* packages. For other assistance please see http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingOracle9i.shtml. I basically used the RHEL AS3 instructions and have been able to get it installed successfully. > > Thank you... > > -- > > > Mois?s Bites - bites at vesle.com.br > Gerente de TI (Inform?tica) > Vesle M?veis e Eletrodom?sticos Ltda > ICQ:2153978 - MSN:mbites at brturbo.com > > "Jesus Cristo ? a corporifica??o do ?nico Deus Verdadeiro" > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Eric Beyer eric.beyer at lnxfrk.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From strange at nsk.no-ip.org Wed Oct 20 14:31:01 2004 From: strange at nsk.no-ip.org (Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:31:01 +0100 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098272734.28171.10.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> <1098269009.20131.82.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098272734.28171.10.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <20041020143101.GA5636@nsk.no-ip.org> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 12:45:34PM +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 12:43 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > On Die, 2004-10-19 at 19:15 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 00:49 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > > > > yum-2.1.9 now downloads headers for packages to be updated before asking > > > > if it is ok to proceed. Is this really necessary? > > > > > > Yes, B/c otherwise we cannot resolve dependencies. > > > > I thought dependency resolution was done using repodata. > > Yes and no. > > Headers are downloaded in order to pack a transaction for ts.check(), > currently rpm-python offers no way to generate headers, so the real > thing is needed. But if the decision of what to install can be made with only the metadata, then why use headers? Just install the full rpms... PS: I've missed the last developments of yum, but I thought the point of metadata was to avoid the headers? Regards, Luciano Rocha From archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl Wed Oct 20 14:35:49 2004 From: archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl (Patrick) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:35:49 +0200 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) Message-ID: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> Hi, everyone! This is my first post and I would like to turn to more advanced Fedora users with a request for help with my problem. I work in a networked environment with Fedora Core 2 set up as our SMB server (work group settings, not a domain). Recently, I decided to install FC3t3 on my local machine. Everything seems to be working fine, with exception of yum and udev startup errors (I upgraded the kernel, which i heard could be the reason for this) My problem is with Gnome Microsoft Network Nautilus window not showing any computers connected to our LAN. I am able to use SMB protocol successfully in Konqueror. Has anyone else experienced something similar? I'd appreciate your comments and help with this issue. Patrick From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Wed Oct 20 14:36:56 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:36:56 -0400 Subject: Somebody jumped the gun Message-ID: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> After running up2date this AM a second run points at FC3 (which of course does not exist) not development. Kernel update also continues to clobbers previously installed kernels where yum doesn't. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 20 14:37:30 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:37:30 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <20041020143101.GA5636@nsk.no-ip.org> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> <1098269009.20131.82.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098272734.28171.10.camel@anu.eridu> <20041020143101.GA5636@nsk.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <1098283050.16995.31.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > But if the decision of what to install can be made with only the > metadata, then why use headers? Just install the full rpms... B/c an rpm transaction set must be packed with headers. And it is best to test the transaction before you download anything heavy. > PS: I've missed the last developments of yum, but I thought the point of > metadata was to avoid the headers? Yes, it is - it is to avoid downloading ALL The headers. You're only downloading the headers of the packages that are having some action done to them by the transaction set. -sv From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Oct 20 14:41:32 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:41:32 -0400 Subject: Somebody jumped the gun In-Reply-To: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <20041020144131.GA29963@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 10:36:56AM -0400, Terry Polzin wrote: > After running up2date this AM a second run points at FC3 (which of course > does not exist) not development. This's gotta happen at some point -- the package needs to exist in it's final state so the whole distro can be wrapped up and released. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Wed Oct 20 14:42:35 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:42:35 +0100 Subject: kernel 2.6.8-1.624 and LVM Message-ID: <1098283355.19814.49.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Is any one else having problems booting with the latest kernel? On my systems it complains that no LVM's are present. .603 seems to work fine. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1098266821.4363.92.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041020144959.2281.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 21:30 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY > wrote: > > --- Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 23:35 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY > > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:24, DAVID BENTLEY > > > wrote: > > > > > > I set all of my SAMBA shares up before > doing > > > any > > > > > > updates and now if I try to edit them or > add > > > new > > > > > > shares I get the following error message > :- > > > > > > > > > > > > Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. > Program > > > will > > > > > now > > > > > > exit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will see if it works in the original > kernel > > > next > > > > > but > > > > > > I am surprised that there has been no > mention > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > before now. > > > > > > > > > --- John Dennis wrote: > > > > > > Are you getting SELinux messages (e.g. > audit(*): > > > > > avc:) in > > > > > /var/log/messages about access denied? If so > > > you're > > > > > running afoul of the > > > > > SELinux security policy. If you're running > >= > > > FC3t2 > > > > > SELinux targeted > > > > > policy is in effect. What is the avc > message? > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > I am using a fully updated core3 test 3 and I > > > don't > > > > see any avc message but there are messages at > boot > > > > regarding what selinux policy is in effect as > > > follows > > > > > > > > 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: SELinux: > Starting > > > in > > > > permissive mode > > > > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: There is > > > already a > > > > security framework initialized, > register_security > > > > failed. > > > > Oct 18 22:46:17 bentledr-1 kernel: > > > > selinux_register_security: Registering > secondary > > > > module capability > > > > > > When running it on the command line, do you get > any > > > kind of python > > > traceback, if so please post it. > > > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > > "/usr/share/system-config-samba/shareWindow.py", > line > > 537, in onOkEditButtonClicked > > self.samba_data.writeFile() > > File > > "/usr/share/system-config-samba/sambaParser.py", > line > > 173, in writeFile > > raise RuntimeError, (_("Cannot write to %s. > > Program will now exit." % path)) > > RuntimeError: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. > > > Program will now exit. > > This is the same as > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi? > id=135946 -- fixed in system-config-samba-1.2.21-1, > grab it from > http://people.redhat.com/nphilipp/BETA/system-config-samba/ > if it hasn't > already hit the mirrors. > Yes it fixes the problem OK but you still get all these warning messages when run from the terminal. /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:113: DeprecationWarning: use gtk.UIManager item_fac = gtk.ItemFactory(gtk.MenuBar, "
", accel_group) /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:138: DeprecationWarning: button = self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-add', _("Add a samba share"), None, self.onNewButtonClicked, None, 0) /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:143: DeprecationWarning: self.properties_button = self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-properties', _("Edit the properties of the selected directory"), None, self.onPropertiesButtonClicked, None, 1) /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:148: DeprecationWarning: self.delete_button = self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-delete', _("Delete the selected directory"), None, self.onDeleteButtonClicked, None, 2) /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:153: DeprecationWarning: self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-help', _("View help"), None, self.onHelpClicked, None, 3) From nphilipp at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 15:11:29 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:11:29 +0200 Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. In-Reply-To: <20041020144959.2281.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041020144959.2281.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098285089.15566.3.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 15:49 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > --- Nils Philippsen wrote: [...] > > This is the same as > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi? > > id=135946 -- fixed in system-config-samba-1.2.21-1, > > grab it from > > > http://people.redhat.com/nphilipp/BETA/system-config-samba/ > > if it hasn't > > already hit the mirrors. > > > > Yes it fixes the problem OK but you still get all > these warning messages when run from the terminal. > > /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:113: > DeprecationWarning: use gtk.UIManager > item_fac = gtk.ItemFactory(gtk.MenuBar, "
", > accel_group) > /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:138: > DeprecationWarning: > button = self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-add', _("Add > a samba share"), None, self.onNewButtonClicked, None, > 0) > /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:143: > DeprecationWarning: > self.properties_button = > self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-properties', _("Edit > the properties of the selected directory"), None, > self.onPropertiesButtonClicked, None, 1) > /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:148: > DeprecationWarning: > self.delete_button = > self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-delete', _("Delete the > selected directory"), None, > self.onDeleteButtonClicked, None, 2) > /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:153: > DeprecationWarning: > self.toolbar.insert_stock('gtk-help', _("View > help"), None, self.onHelpClicked, None, 3) These DeprecationWarnings can only be fixed through a complete revamp of themenu/toolbar code which -- to put icing on the cake -- breaks i18n. The messages only tell you (well, me) that a deprecated widget is used and the things should be converted to use the new interfaces. I'll tackle that sometime after FC3 is out. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rshewan at lio.aacisd.com Wed Oct 20 15:17:04 2004 From: rshewan at lio.aacisd.com (Rob Shewan) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:17:04 -0400 Subject: Yum traceback Message-ID: <41768170.3060809@lio.aacisd.com> I am experiencing a problem with yum. Below is the traceback. If any further information is required just ask. The cache was recently cleaned and the yum rev is yum-2.1.9-1. I've tried this twice. Each time yum downloads all the packages and then fails. Rob Shewan glibc-headers-2.3.3-70.i3 100% |=========================| 530 kB 00:03 fontconfig-2.2.3-5.i386.r 100% |=========================| 116 kB 00:00 hal-0.4.0-5.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 148 kB 00:01 hwdata-0.144-1.noarch.rpm 100% |=========================| 230 kB 00:02 gcc-gnat-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 8.2 MB 01:10 bash-3.0-17.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 1.7 MB 00:13 emacs-common-21.3-17.i386 100% |=========================| 9.7 MB 01:08 samba-common-3.0.8-0.pre1 100% |=========================| 5.0 MB 00:37 libstdc++-3.4.2-6.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 267 kB 00:02 mozilla-nspr-1.7.3-17.i38 100% |=========================| 106 kB 00:01 cdrecord-2.01.1-5.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 548 kB 00:03 gnome-pilot-devel-2.0.12- 100% |=========================| 86 kB 00:00 rpm-python-4.3.2-13.i386. 100% |=========================| 80 kB 00:00 system-config-securitylev 100% |=========================| 364 kB 00:01 thunderbird-0.8.0-9.i386. 100% |=========================| 10 MB 01:00 xorg-x11-devel-6.8.1-10.i 100% |=========================| 5.0 MB 00:26 fonts-xorg-base-6.8.1-1.n 100% |=========================| 7.7 MB 00:46 parted-1.6.15-5.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 484 kB 00:02 mkisofs-2.01.1-5.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 542 kB 00:02 fonts-xorg-100dpi-6.8.1-1 100% |=========================| 3.7 MB 00:18 gcc-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 4.2 MB 00:22 xorg-x11-Mesa-libGLU-6.8. 100% |=========================| 418 kB 00:02 xorg-x11-xauth-6.8.1-10.i 100% |=========================| 254 kB 00:01 nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.3- 100% |=========================| 212 kB 00:01 mkinitrd-4.1.18-1.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 92 kB 00:00 rpm-libs-4.3.2-13.i386.rp 100% |=========================| 782 kB 00:02 gcc-c++-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 2.3 MB 00:15 debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.3-70.i686.rpm: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 8, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 128, in main base.doTransaction() File "/usr/share/yum-cli/cli.py", line 588, in doTransaction problems = self.downloadPkgs(downloadpkgs) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 355, in downloadPkgs mylocal = repo.get(relative=remote, local=local, checkfunc=checkfunc) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 437, in get checkfunc=checkfunc) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 414, in urlgrab return self._mirror_try(func, url, kw) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 400, in _mirror_try return func_ref( *(fullurl,), **kwargs ) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 595, in urlgrab return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url, filename) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 542, in _retry cb_func(obj, *cb_args, **cb_kwargs) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/output.py", line 41, in failureReport raise msg urlgrabber.grabber.CallbackObject: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 20 15:19:42 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:19:42 -0400 Subject: Yum traceback In-Reply-To: <41768170.3060809@lio.aacisd.com> References: <41768170.3060809@lio.aacisd.com> Message-ID: <1098285582.16995.41.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 11:17, Rob Shewan wrote: > I am experiencing a problem with yum. Below is the traceback. If any > further information is required just ask. > > The cache was recently cleaned and the yum rev is yum-2.1.9-1. I've > tried this twice. Each time yum downloads all the packages and then fails. Fixed in yum 2.1.10 - currently in rawhide. -sv From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Wed Oct 20 15:30:32 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:30:32 -0400 Subject: kernel 2.6.8-1.624 and LVM References: <1098283355.19814.49.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: Douglas Furlong wrote: > Is any one else having problems booting with the latest kernel? > > On my systems it complains that no LVM's are present. > > .603 seems to work fine. update to udev-039 and run mkinitrd. From i.pilcher at comcast.net Wed Oct 20 15:47:03 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:47:03 -0500 Subject: keyboard special characters don't work in netbeans and other apps In-Reply-To: <4176708A.7040401@centrum.cz> References: <4176708A.7040401@centrum.cz> Message-ID: M.Holubec wrote: > Hello, > i've problem with keyboard. If i want to type some special charakters > like quotes or apostrofes, i must to press the keyboard button twice. > Problem is, that this trick don't worx in any applications (like netbeans). > i'm using FC2, KDE (kdebase-3.2.2-6.FC2, kdelibs-3.2.2-8.FC2,...) with > U.S. international keyboard defaultly. In system-config-keyboard i've > configured U.S. intl keyb too. > Thank u a lot > If you want to get rid of these "dead keys", switch your keyboard layout to "U.S. English". This will, of course, leave you with no easy way to type accented characters. I solved this by putting the following script in $HOME/.kde/Autostart: #!/bin/bash exec xmodmap -e 'keycode 113 = Mode_switch' \ -e 'keycode 38 = a A aacute Aacute' \ -e 'keycode 26 = e E eacute Eacute' \ -e 'keycode 31 = i I iacute Iacute' \ -e 'keycode 32 = o O oacute Oacute' \ -e 'keycode 30 = u U uacute Uacute' \ -e 'keycode 57 = n N ntilde Ntilde' \ -e 'keycode 10 = 1 exclam exclamdown exclamdown' \ -e 'keycode 61 = slash question questiondown questiondown' 113 is the right Alt key on my keyboard, this allows me to use that key to type non-English characters I need for my Spanish homework. If you want to use a different key as Mode_switch, play with xev to figure out which keycode it generates. If you don't know the symbolic name for a character that you want to generate, you can use its Unicode value (at least for ISO-8859-1 characters). So, for example, you can determine the symbolic names like this: [pilcher at home pilcher]$ xmodmap -e 'keycode 38 = a A 0xE1 0xC1' [pilcher at home pilcher]$ xmodmap -pk | grep '(a)' 38 0x0061 (a) 0x0041 (A) 0x00e1 (aacute) 0x00c1 (Aacute) Hope this helps! -- ======================================================================== Ian Pilcher i.pilcher at comcast.net ======================================================================== From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 16:02:19 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:02:19 -0400 Subject: Somebody jumped the gun In-Reply-To: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102009023a7323e8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:36:56 -0400, Terry Polzin wrote: > After running up2date this AM a second run points at FC3 (which of course does > not exist) not development. as noted in the changelog... the switch has to happen at somepoint before the final freeze..it happens every test cycle. > Kernel update also continues to clobbers previously installed kernels where > yum doesn't. 'clobber' is ill-defined. Do you mean that up2date uninstalls old kernels? that shouldn't be happening. in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date: what does pkgsToInstallNotUpdate= line read? Do you mean that up2date makes the new kernel the default? The correct thing to do in this situation is debatable... but more importantly logic has been added in the mkinitrd package to use /etc/sysconfig/kernel file to define local policy in regard to default. -jef From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 16:14:10 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:14:10 -0500 Subject: Boot hangs up after today's updates Message-ID: <41768ED2.9080103@earthlink.net> I ran up2date on FC3T3 this morning and installed a number of packages including a new kernel. After rebooting, the boot hangs at "Configuring kernel parameters" with the new kernel 2.6.9-1.639 and also with 2.6.8-1.624 which was previously booting fine. I have not tried any earlier kernels. Gerry Tool From cra at WPI.EDU Wed Oct 20 16:24:13 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:24:13 -0400 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) In-Reply-To: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> References: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> Message-ID: <20041020162412.GB7706@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 04:35:49PM +0200, Patrick wrote: > My problem is with Gnome Microsoft Network Nautilus window not showing > any computers connected to our LAN. I am able to use SMB protocol > successfully in Konqueror. Has anyone else experienced something similar? Do you have the firewall turned on? See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=113918 From royab at bc.edu Wed Oct 20 16:24:59 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:24:59 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible Message-ID: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> Hello: I upgraded to the latest rawhide (10/20) and now am facing multitude of issues. I think I have narrowed down the culprit to some display problem or udev problem. When I booted up and choose the newest kernel (2.6.9), the boot process got stuck after it initialized hardware, with the statement "configuring kernel parameters". I *could* get it to boot after removing the word "rhgb" from the relevant line in the grub screen (hence my suspicion that this is a display problem). Ok, the system now gets going, however fails to start and X server, with old conf file, tries to make a new one and still fails (I believe it tries to load either the VESA or the nv driver). Does udev manage the display adapters as well ? So it could be a udev problem as well. An inspection of log files provides the error message glxGetActiveScreen from .../libdri.a is unresolved (it also warns that this may not be the cause of the failure to start). Someone know how to fix this ? Amitabha From royab at bc.edu Wed Oct 20 16:26:10 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:26:10 -0400 Subject: Boot hangs up after today's updates In-Reply-To: <41768ED2.9080103@earthlink.net> References: <41768ED2.9080103@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <417691A2.5050703@bc.edu> Gerry Tool wrote: > I ran up2date on FC3T3 this morning and installed a number of packages > including a new kernel. > > After rebooting, the boot hangs at "Configuring kernel parameters" > with the new kernel 2.6.9-1.639 and also with 2.6.8-1.624 which was > previously booting fine. I have not tried any earlier kernels. > > Gerry Tool > I just sent something to the list about this. Disable rhgb from the grub line and it will let you boot up to console (it will fail to run the X server though, I suspect from my situation). From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 16:33:32 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:33:32 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> Message-ID: <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 12:24, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Hello: > > I upgraded to the latest rawhide (10/20) and now am facing multitude of > issues. is this with the nvidia binary only module/driver ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks :) ./Tom -- Thomas Liesner - c/o Creativ Consulting GmbH, Ratingen Email: t.liesner at creativ-consulting.de PGP Fingerprint: 7B6B 8364 D205 0FA2 8753 AEE0 70B7 AB3A 06B5 F368 PGP Public Key: http://www.creativ-consulting.de/keys From royab at bc.edu Wed Oct 20 16:46:50 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:46:50 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> Message-ID: <4176967A.8080902@bc.edu> Arjan van de Ven wrote: >On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 12:24, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > >>Hello: >> >>I upgraded to the latest rawhide (10/20) and now am facing multitude of >>issues. >> >> > >is this with the nvidia binary only module/driver ? > > No. While I do have the nvidia module installed, it was for a different (older) kernel. I have not compiled it for any of the newer kernels from rawhide. lsmod shows neither nv nor nvidia. From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Wed Oct 20 16:49:51 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:49:51 -0400 Subject: Somebody jumped the gun In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102009023a7323e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <604aa79104102009023a7323e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410201249.51575.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Wednesday 20 October 2004 12:02, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > 'clobber' is ill-defined. > Do you mean that up2date uninstalls old kernels? that shouldn't be > happening. Yes, that's exactly what I mean > in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date: > what does pkgsToInstallNotUpdate= line read? The line is empty like it should be. There have been other posts relating to this issue, I was pointing out that it still hasn't been resolved. IMHO yum is still a better alternative. From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 16:53:04 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:53:04 -0500 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> Message-ID: <417697F0.2050106@earthlink.net> Amitabha Roy wrote: > Hello: > > I upgraded to the latest rawhide (10/20) and now am facing multitude of > issues. > I think I have narrowed down the culprit to some display problem or udev > problem. > > When I booted up and choose the newest kernel (2.6.9), the boot process > got stuck after > it initialized hardware, with the statement "configuring kernel > parameters". > > I *could* get it to boot after removing the word "rhgb" from the > relevant line in the grub screen > (hence my suspicion that this is a display problem). Ok, the system now > gets going, > however fails to start and X server, with old conf file, tries to make a > new one and still fails > (I believe it tries to load either the VESA or the nv driver). > > Does udev manage the display adapters as well ? So it could be a udev > problem as well. I am having the same experience after this morning's updates, with the kernels 639, 624 and 610, but with an ATI 7500 card. Gerry Tool From talbotscott at cox.net Wed Oct 20 16:53:09 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:53:09 -0700 Subject: redhat-menus-1.12-1 danish characters gone In-Reply-To: <1098268470.4214.2.camel@simba.lion> References: <1098268470.4214.2.camel@simba.lion> Message-ID: <417697F5.2080007@cox.net> Alex Thomsen Leth wrote: >hello. > >after upgrading to redhat-menus-1.12-1 all the danish characters is >gone. could someone fix that. > >Alex Thomsen Leth > > > Alex: Please file a bug report @ bugzilla.redhat.com. You'll need to make an account, but you'll be able to effectively report bugs you find. Scott From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 16:53:56 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:53:56 -0500 Subject: Boot hangs up after today's updates In-Reply-To: <417691A2.5050703@bc.edu> References: <41768ED2.9080103@earthlink.net> <417691A2.5050703@bc.edu> Message-ID: <41769824.8080505@earthlink.net> Amitabha Roy wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote: > >> I ran up2date on FC3T3 this morning and installed a number of packages >> including a new kernel. >> >> After rebooting, the boot hangs at "Configuring kernel parameters" >> with the new kernel 2.6.9-1.639 and also with 2.6.8-1.624 which was >> previously booting fine. I have not tried any earlier kernels. >> >> Gerry Tool >> > I just sent something to the list about this. Disable rhgb from the grub > line and it will let you boot up to console (it will fail > to run the X server though, I suspect from my situation). > > > Yes, and my video card is an ATI 7500. Gerry Tool From chrisw01 at privatei.com Wed Oct 20 17:06:35 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:06:35 -0600 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV Message-ID: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Updated to xorg-x11 6.8.1-10 series this morning. It immediately crashes X with the generic NVidia (nv) driver with the error (IIRC): Fatal Server Error Caught Signal 11 Nothing unusual in the Xorg log that I can tell. Rolling back to the 6.8.1-8 series got me working again. Lesson: Keep those cached updates from yum around... Don't know if this is bugzilla'd yet - if nobody has by the time I get back from some errands, I'll be glad to. Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Oct 20 17:13:13 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:13:13 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0B1@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of seth vidal >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:38 AM >> >> > PS: I've missed the last developments of yum, but I thought >> > the point of metadata was to avoid the headers? >> >> Yes, it is - it is to avoid downloading ALL The headers. >> >> You're only downloading the headers of the packages that are >> having some action done to them by the transaction set. I'm happy to have a yum that doesn't bomb out and would even settle for one that was slow ;-) Anyway, two items (and actually, I'm using 2.1.10-1): First, I'm getting the following error for all packages I try to update: ... Downloading Packages: warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 30c9ecf8 public key not available for //var/cache/yum/development/packages/cups-1.1.22-0.rc1.5.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/development/packages/cups-libs-1.1.22-0.rc1.5.i386.rpm ... What am I suppose to do here? Second, every yum run now seems to load something from somewhere that takes a significant amount of time. The lines look like: MD Read : ##...#### 3430/3430 Developmen: ##...#### 3430/3430 what is being read there? Is it not something that can be stored somewhere so this doesn't take so long? This is simple curiosity. If yum works, I'm not particularly upset about it taking an extra five minutes to read something. Just seems odd. -- Henry From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 20 17:10:49 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:10:49 +0200 Subject: Yum traceback In-Reply-To: <1098285582.16995.41.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <41768170.3060809@lio.aacisd.com> <1098285582.16995.41.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1098292249.2732.23.camel@kyrre> ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 17.19 skrev seth vidal: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 11:17, Rob Shewan wrote: > > I am experiencing a problem with yum. Below is the traceback. If any > > further information is required just ask. > > > > The cache was recently cleaned and the yum rev is yum-2.1.9-1. I've > > tried this twice. Each time yum downloads all the packages and then fails. > > Fixed in yum 2.1.10 - currently in rawhide. > > -sv > phew... this is going fast :? From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 20 17:22:55 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:22:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <4176967A.8080902@bc.edu> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> <4176967A.8080902@bc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > is this with the nvidia binary only module/driver ? > > > No. While I do have the nvidia module installed, it was for a different > (older) kernel. You mean - the kernel that worked before the problem with this new kernel? What module is refered in xorg.conf? (nv or nvidia?) > I have not compiled > it for any of the newer kernels from rawhide. lsmod shows neither nv nor > nvidia. You might want to check the following bugzilla for the first part of your problem. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135574 Satish From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 17:28:38 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:28:38 -0500 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV In-Reply-To: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> References: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Updated to xorg-x11 6.8.1-10 series this morning. It immediately crashes > X with the generic NVidia (nv) driver with the error (IIRC): > > Fatal Server Error > Caught Signal 11 > > Nothing unusual in the Xorg log that I can tell. Rolling back to the > 6.8.1-8 series got me working again. > > Lesson: Keep those cached updates from yum around... > > Don't know if this is bugzilla'd yet - if nobody has by the time I get > back from some errands, I'll be glad to. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > This is not limited to nvidia. I have the same problem with an ATI 7500. Gerry Tool From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 20 17:46:44 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:46:44 -0600 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org>; from whooperhsd3@earthlink.net on Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:15:10AM -0400 References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <20041020114644.D18036@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:15:10AM -0400, William Hooper wrote: > > > > > Well (on FC2) that file is indeed there but its value never changes from > > 0 regardless of whether the power lead is plugged in or I'm on batteries. > > To quote the FC1 release notes: > > To enable laptop mode, issue the following command: > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode > > To disable laptop mode, issue the following command: > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode It seems that putting a corresponding entry in /etc/sysctl.conf would be a healthier practice. Maybe it should exist in a "virgin" installed sysctl.conf with a default value of 0? Michal From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 20 17:25:53 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:25:53 +0200 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0B1@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0B1@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1098293153.18506.82.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 20 octobre 2004 ? 13:13 -0400, Henry Hartley a ?crit : > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of seth vidal > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:38 AM > >> > >> > PS: I've missed the last developments of yum, but I thought > >> > the point of metadata was to avoid the headers? > >> > >> Yes, it is - it is to avoid downloading ALL The headers. > >> > >> You're only downloading the headers of the packages that are > >> having some action done to them by the transaction set. > > I'm happy to have a yum that doesn't bomb out and would even settle for one > that was slow ;-) > > Anyway, two items (and actually, I'm using 2.1.10-1): > > First, I'm getting the following error for all packages I try to update: > ... > Downloading Packages: > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 30c9ecf8 > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/development/packages/cups-1.1.22-0.rc1.5.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/development/packages/cups-libs-1.1.22-0.rc1.5.i386.rpm > ... > > What am I suppose to do here? rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-2/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Strange thing is that I never used sit0 device, also $ifconfig don't list it, so why is there? How do I remove it, or make it fixed? regards bruma From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 20 17:51:39 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:51:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <20041020114644.D18036@mail.harddata.com> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> <20041020114644.D18036@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:15:10AM -0400, William Hooper wrote: > > > > > > > > Well (on FC2) that file is indeed there but its value never changes from > > > 0 regardless of whether the power lead is plugged in or I'm on batteries. > > > > To quote the FC1 release notes: > > > > To enable laptop mode, issue the following command: > > > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode > > > > To disable laptop mode, issue the following command: > > > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode > > It seems that putting a corresponding entry in /etc/sysctl.conf > would be a healthier practice. > > Maybe it should exist in a "virgin" installed sysctl.conf with > a default value of 0? Hmm with APM (on both FC1/FC3rawhide) - the flag gets toggled automatically whenever the AC cord is connected/disconnected. Satish From maestronn at wowway.com Wed Oct 20 17:58:21 2004 From: maestronn at wowway.com (Demond James) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:58:21 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> <4176967A.8080902@bc.edu> Message-ID: <4176A73D.9040901@wowway.com> Satish Balay wrote: >On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: > >>Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> >> >>>is this with the nvidia binary only module/driver ? >>> >>> >>> >>No. While I do have the nvidia module installed, it was for a different >>(older) kernel. >>You mean - the kernel that worked before the problem with this new >>kernel? What module is refered in xorg.conf? (nv or nvidia?) >> >> >>I have not compiled >>it for any of the newer kernels from rawhide. lsmod shows neither nv nor >>nvidia. >> >> > >You might want to check the following bugzilla for the first part of >your problem. > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135574 > >Satish > > > Same problem here with an old ati rage 128 card. I suspect it's not graphic card specific. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 20 18:03:53 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:03:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <4176A73D.9040901@wowway.com> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> <4176967A.8080902@bc.edu> <4176A73D.9040901@wowway.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Demond James wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135574 > > > Same problem here with an old ati rage 128 card. I suspect it's not graphic > card specific. Ah.. reading the other thread on this list - I realize now - xorg-x11-6.8.1-10 has a problem with starting the x-server. the boot with rhgb just hanged at 'configuring kernel permaters ..' because the x-server failed to start at this point. ok - same problem as the above bugzilla but different cause/senario :) Satish From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 18:05:16 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:05:16 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0B1@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0B1@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102011056c8f3740@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:13:13 -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > What am I suppose to do here? gpgsig checking has been turned on by default in yum.conf now. development packages are made available before they are signed So: A)So either you are seeing a problem with unsigned packages in the development tree Or B)You dont have the key for the development tree imported into rpm It's most likely A since im not seeing a signature listed in rpm -qi cups. > > Second, every yum run now seems to load something from somewhere that takes > a significant amount of time. The lines look like: > > MD Read : ##...#### 3430/3430 > Developmen: ##...#### 3430/3430 Every run of yum? I dont see that happening. My understanding that the logic behind the "MD Read" step was added specifically to make repeated runs of yum faster, if a repository has not changed. If a repository has changed since the last run of yum the new xml metadata has to be parsed, there is no way around that. So if you run yum only once a day against the development tree... you won't see a benefit here because the development tree changes every day. If you run yum in a cronjob in a clever way, so all its doing is pulling metadata somewhat perioudicly and building the cached binary pickle object(s), any subsequent run of yum will use the cached pickle if it can to save you time. Then again... using the newest version of yum im not seeing the "MD Read:" step anylonger so i have no idea if my understanding is now out-dated again. -jef From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 20 18:07:43 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:07:43 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102011056c8f3740@mail.gmail.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0B1@remail2.westat.com> <604aa79104102011056c8f3740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098295663.16995.194.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > Every run of yum? I dont see that happening. My understanding that > the logic behind the "MD Read" step was added specifically to make > repeated runs of yum faster, if a repository has not changed. If a > repository has changed since the last run of yum the new xml metadata > has to be parsed, there is no way around that. > So if you run yum only once a day against the development tree... you > won't see a benefit here because the development tree changes every > day. If you run yum in a cronjob in a clever way, so all its doing is > pulling metadata somewhat perioudicly and building the cached binary > pickle object(s), any subsequent run of yum will use the cached pickle > if it can to save you time. > > Then again... using the newest version of yum im not seeing the "MD > Read:" step anylonger so i have no idea if my understanding is now > out-dated again. No, you're metadata is just cached. if you want to see it again run: yum clean cache and then it will reimport it all again. OR if you want generate all the caches of the metadata run: yum makecache -sv From royab at bc.edu Wed Oct 20 18:09:08 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:09:08 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <4176A73D.9040901@wowway.com> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> <4176967A.8080902@bc.edu> <4176A73D.9040901@wowway.com> Message-ID: <4176A9C4.1070509@bc.edu> Problem is solved on downgrading to xorg-6.8.1-8. Someone (:-)) should possibly bugzilla this against xorg 6.8.1-10. Amitabha Demond James wrote: > Satish Balay wrote: > >>On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: >> >>>Arjan van de Ven wrote: >>> >>> >>>>is this with the nvidia binary only module/driver ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>No. While I do have the nvidia module installed, it was for a different >>>(older) kernel. >>>You mean - the kernel that worked before the problem with this new >>>kernel? What module is refered in xorg.conf? (nv or nvidia?) >>> >>> >>>I have not compiled >>>it for any of the newer kernels from rawhide. lsmod shows neither nv nor >>>nvidia. >>> >>> >> >>You might want to check the following bugzilla for the first part of >>your problem. >> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135574 >> >>Satish >> >> >> > Same problem here with an old ati rage 128 card. I suspect it's not > graphic card specific. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 20 18:09:28 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:09:28 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098295663.16995.194.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0B1@remail2.westat.com> <604aa79104102011056c8f3740@mail.gmail.com> <1098295663.16995.194.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1098295768.16995.196.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > No, you're metadata is just cached. I'm not illiterate, I swear: s/you're/your/ > > if you want to see it again run: > yum clean cache > > and then it will reimport it all again. > > OR > > if you want generate all the caches of the metadata run: > yum makecache > > > -sv > From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 20 18:10:14 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:10:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <1098290011.2803.28.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> <4176967A.8080902@bc.edu> <4176A73D.9040901@wowway.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Satish Balay wrote: > > Same problem here with an old ati rage 128 card. I suspect it's not graphic > > card specific. > > Ah.. reading the other thread on this list - I realize now - > xorg-x11-6.8.1-10 has a problem with starting the x-server. Looks like the bugzilla for this one is: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136478 Satish From archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl Wed Oct 20 18:17:51 2004 From: archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl (Patrick) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:17:51 +0200 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) In-Reply-To: <20041020162412.GB7706@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020162412.GB7706@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <4176ABCF.2000301@poczta.onet.pl> Charles R. Anderson wrote: >On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 04:35:49PM +0200, Patrick wrote: > > >>My problem is with Gnome Microsoft Network Nautilus window not showing >>any computers connected to our LAN. I am able to use SMB protocol >>successfully in Konqueror. Has anyone else experienced something similar? >> >> > >Do you have the firewall turned on? See: > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=113918 > > > Yes, it was the firewall issue. I opened smb ports and it worked fine, but isn't that less secure? From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 20 17:59:06 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:59:06 +0200 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV In-Reply-To: <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> References: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098295147.18675.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 20 octobre 2004 ? 12:28 -0500, Gerry Tool a ?crit : > Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Updated to xorg-x11 6.8.1-10 series this morning. It immediately crashes > > X with the generic NVidia (nv) driver with the error (IIRC): > > > > Fatal Server Error > > Caught Signal 11 > > > > Nothing unusual in the Xorg log that I can tell. Rolling back to the > > 6.8.1-8 series got me working again. > > > > Lesson: Keep those cached updates from yum around... > > > > Don't know if this is bugzilla'd yet - if nobody has by the time I get > > back from some errands, I'll be glad to. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Chris > > > > > This is not limited to nvidia. I have the same problem with an ATI 7500. Same here with an old ATI Rage IIC. Back to 6.8.1-8. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Oct 20 18:26:04 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:26:04 -0400 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) In-Reply-To: <4176ABCF.2000301@poczta.onet.pl> References: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020162412.GB7706@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <4176ABCF.2000301@poczta.onet.pl> Message-ID: <20041020182604.GA6964@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 08:17:51PM +0200, Patrick wrote: > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=113918 > Yes, it was the firewall issue. I opened smb ports and it worked fine, > but isn't that less secure? Marginally. The firewall is based on a packet filter -- if an incoming packet doesn't seem to have any business on the machine, the kernel drops it before it gets anywhere. That's a pretty good first defense. But if you don't have any services running on network accessible ports, those packets aren't going to have anywhere to go either. And even if you are running services (which you might punch through the firewall anyway), you should have other access control mechanisms (/etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny, for example) in place too. The problem is that it's not trivial to make a rule which allows the needed SMB traffic without basically making the whole firewall irrelevant. It requires tracking state, which the current system-config-securitylevel doesn't attempt. (disclaimer: haven't looked extensively at the FC3 one, but I assume it hasn't changed based on the comments of others) The bugzilla entry above links to what will probably be the long-term solution to this -- a smarter firewall. You could implement that sort of thing yourself, but personally, I'd make sure my other system security was in good shape, and not worry about it for now. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From nbc at cisco.com Wed Oct 20 18:30:06 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:30:06 -0400 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV In-Reply-To: <1098295147.18675.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> <1098295147.18675.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4176AEAE.2040603@cisco.com> I'm having the same problems - but I don't know how to downgrade the package - can someone point me in the right direction? Based on the email I've seen this afternoon - I think I need to edit out the 'rhgb' on the boot line. I did that and managed to get a command line login. But now I need to: a) downgrade the xorg-x11 package (just that one? or all of the xorg-x....?) b) reset the GDM process How do I do those things? Or should I just wait for the next set of updates?? Thanks in advance, nbc >Same here with an old ATI Rage IIC. >Back to 6.8.1-8. > > From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 18:39:39 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Somebody jumped the gun In-Reply-To: <200410201249.51575.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> References: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <604aa79104102009023a7323e8@mail.gmail.com> <200410201249.51575.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <1595.12.29.16.103.1098297579.squirrel@whooper.org> Terry Polzin said: > On Wednesday 20 October 2004 12:02, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > >> 'clobber' is ill-defined. >> Do you mean that up2date uninstalls old kernels? that shouldn't be >> happening. > Yes, that's exactly what I mean > >> in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date: what does pkgsToInstallNotUpdate= line >> read? > > The line is empty like it should be. [snip] Says who? Seems to me that if you want the kernel "installed" (-i) instead of "updated" (-U) you would want at least "kernel" in that line. Every default up2date config I've seen has that (though I haven't got a chance to test FC3Test3). -- William Hooper From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Wed Oct 20 18:50:36 2004 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:50:36 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 11:56 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: [ snip unrelated discussion ] I'm still not able to connect to any vino session. Though I have enabled it via the Preferences (and have since logged out and back in), I still don't see any indication that a vncserver is available. I don't see vino-server in a ps listing... should I? What could be keeping me from getting this up and running? From Stephane.Gaucher at USherbrooke.ca Wed Oct 20 18:56:06 2004 From: Stephane.Gaucher at USherbrooke.ca (Stephane Gaucher) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:56:06 -0400 Subject: Update a Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 test 3 with yum Message-ID: <1098298565.2306.1496.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is'it possible to upgrade or update to core 3 from core 2 with yum From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 20 18:57:21 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:57:21 -0400 Subject: Update a Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 test 3 with yum In-Reply-To: <1098298565.2306.1496.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098298565.2306.1496.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098298641.16995.217.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 14:56, Stephane Gaucher wrote: > Is'it possible to upgrade or update to core 3 from core 2 with yum well, so far core 3 is not available, so the answer is no. I'll be working on some basic instructions on the best process to get from 2 to 3 in a few days. -sv From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Wed Oct 20 19:02:32 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:02:32 -0400 Subject: Somebody jumped the gun In-Reply-To: <1595.12.29.16.103.1098297579.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <200410201036.57304.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <200410201249.51575.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> <1595.12.29.16.103.1098297579.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <200410201502.32419.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Wednesday 20 October 2004 14:39, William Hooper wrote: > Terry Polzin said: > > On Wednesday 20 October 2004 12:02, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> 'clobber' is ill-defined. > >> Do you mean that up2date uninstalls old kernels? that shouldn't be > >> happening. > > > > Yes, that's exactly what I mean > > > >> in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/up2date: what does pkgsToInstallNotUpdate= line > >> read? > > > > The line is empty like it should be. > > [snip] > > Says who? Seems to me that if you want the kernel "installed" (-i) > instead of "updated" (-U) you would want at least "kernel" in that line. > Every default up2date config I've seen has that (though I haven't got a > chance to test FC3Test3). I've come to realize that I've fouled up my config file and since have fixed it. It appears that somehow I've applied reverse Microsoft logic to the issue when editing the file. From henry.story at bblfish.net Wed Oct 20 19:08:34 2004 From: henry.story at bblfish.net (Henry Story) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:08:34 +0200 Subject: upgrade from Fedora Core 2 Message-ID: <7051BA7A-22CB-11D9-894C-000A95D9FA7A@bblfish.net> Is it ok to upgrade a system from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core 3 test 3? Or will a whole new re-install be required? Should it then be relatively easy to continue upgrading to the Fedora Core 3 final when it comes out? Thanks for you help, Henry Story From krh at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 19:10:14 2004 From: krh at redhat.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kristian_H=F8gsberg?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:10:14 -0400 Subject: X server problems Message-ID: <4176B816.5000802@redhat.com> Hello, The xorg-x11-6.8.1-10 and xorg-x11-6.8.1-11 builds have a crasher bug that prevents the X server from starting. The problem is not related to neither the kernel or rhgb, and it doesn't depend on what type of graphics hardware you have. I'm building xorg-x11-6.8.1-12 which will fix the problem, in the meantime, it's probably best to stick with xorg-x11-6.8.1-8. The issue is already in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136478 To disable rhgb and boot into runlevel 3 (textmode), press 'e' in grub to edit the boot script, select the kernel line and press 'e' again. Then delete the 'rhgb' part and append '3' at the end of the line. Thanks, Kristian From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 20 19:09:11 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:09:11 +0200 Subject: Update a Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 test 3 with yum In-Reply-To: <1098298565.2306.1496.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098298565.2306.1496.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098299350.2732.32.camel@kyrre> Just wait 10 days then final is out. ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 20.56 skrev Stephane Gaucher: > Is'it possible to upgrade or update to core 3 from core 2 with yum From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 20 19:15:15 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:15:15 +0200 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) In-Reply-To: <20041020182604.GA6964@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020162412.GB7706@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <4176ABCF.2000301@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020182604.GA6964@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1098299715.2732.38.camel@kyrre> Just out of curiosity: which ports do i have to open to make it work? ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 20.26 skrev Matthew Miller: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 08:17:51PM +0200, Patrick wrote: > > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=113918 > > Yes, it was the firewall issue. I opened smb ports and it worked fine, > > but isn't that less secure? > > Marginally. The firewall is based on a packet filter -- if an incoming > packet doesn't seem to have any business on the machine, the kernel drops it > before it gets anywhere. That's a pretty good first defense. But if you > don't have any services running on network accessible ports, those packets > aren't going to have anywhere to go either. And even if you are running > services (which you might punch through the firewall anyway), you should > have other access control mechanisms (/etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny, > for example) in place too. > > The problem is that it's not trivial to make a rule which allows the needed > SMB traffic without basically making the whole firewall irrelevant. It > requires tracking state, which the current system-config-securitylevel > doesn't attempt. (disclaimer: haven't looked extensively at the FC3 one, but > I assume it hasn't changed based on the comments of others) > > The bugzilla entry above links to what will probably be the long-term > solution to this -- a smarter firewall. You could implement that sort of > thing yourself, but personally, I'd make sure my other system security was > in good shape, and not worry about it for now. > -- > Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org > Boston University Linux ------> From ernesto at ornl.gov Wed Oct 20 19:19:29 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Williams Jr, Ernest L.) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:19:29 -0400 Subject: Xorg upgrade problem with "xorg-x11-font-utils" Message-ID: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B62F63A@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Deji Akingunola Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:20 PM To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Re: Xorg upgrade problem with "xorg-x11-font-utils" On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:42 -0400, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: > Hi , > > > > > > When using rawhide to upgrade x11, I get stuck on the following > package, "xorg-x11-font-utils" > > > > Up2date claims that it is unable to resolve a dependency with "xorg- > x11-base-fonts" > > > > So, I removed xorg-x11-base-fonts and was able to install. > > > > > > Oops, now X will no longer start. I get the following error in: > > "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" > > > > > Fatal server error: > > Could not open default cursor font 'cursor' > > > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. you need to install the fonts-xorg-base package. AWESOME!!!! Thanks. I am back in business. X is back online. -- Deji Akingunola -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Oct 20 19:20:19 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:20:19 -0400 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) In-Reply-To: <1098299715.2732.38.camel@kyrre> References: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020162412.GB7706@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <4176ABCF.2000301@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020182604.GA6964@jadzia.bu.edu> <1098299715.2732.38.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041020192019.GA10032@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:15:15PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Just out of curiosity: which ports do i have to open to make it work? Off the top of my head, I think you need to allow all UDP packets destined for ports above 1024 that originate from ports 137 or 138. But you may want to get confirmation on that from someone who knows what they're talking about. I'm lucky enough that I have no need to deal with this "talking to Windows" issue in my own life. :) -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 20 19:18:38 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:18:38 +0200 Subject: Incidencia del filtro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098299917.2732.43.camel@kyrre> What are those? I get them sometimes when posting to this list, and they are quite annoying... ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 21.18 skrev [CGPROY] Panda Antivirus for Exchange Server: > Panda Antivirus ha realizado las siguientes acciones en el mensaje > filtrado: > Server : CGPROY > > Enviado por : Kyrre Ness Sjobak > Direcci?n : kyrre at solution-forge.net > Para : For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Asunto : Re: Update a Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 test 3 > with yum > Fecha : 20/10/2004 14:18:03 > Enviado por Usted > > Mensaje : Re: Update a Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 test 3 with yum - > Mensaje movido > > http://www.pandasoftware.es > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 20 19:19:57 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:19:57 +0200 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) In-Reply-To: <20041020192019.GA10032@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <417677C5.7070202@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020162412.GB7706@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <4176ABCF.2000301@poczta.onet.pl> <20041020182604.GA6964@jadzia.bu.edu> <1098299715.2732.38.camel@kyrre> <20041020192019.GA10032@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1098299997.2732.45.camel@kyrre> *urk* I was hoping there was some "easy solution" such as "puch port blah:udp and blah:tcp open" Why does windows need to make things complicated? ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 21.20 skrev Matthew Miller: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:15:15PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Just out of curiosity: which ports do i have to open to make it work? > > Off the top of my head, I think you need to allow all UDP packets destined > for ports above 1024 that originate from ports 137 or 138. But you may want > to get confirmation on that from someone who knows what they're talking > about. I'm lucky enough that I have no need to deal with this "talking to > Windows" issue in my own life. :) > > -- > Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org > Boston University Linux ------> From Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov Tue Oct 19 14:30:32 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:30:32 -0400 Subject: Evolution URL Opening In-Reply-To: <1098135062.8751.6.camel@craft.us.org> References: <1098132776.14010.48.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> <1098135062.8751.6.camel@craft.us.org> Message-ID: <1098196232.7928.42.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:31 -0400, Brian Craft wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 16:52 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > > Anyone else lost the functionality of clicking a URL in Evolution and > > having it open the link in the browser? Clicking on a link fails with > > evolution-2.0.2-1 under FC3/rawhide but works under FC2 with same > > Evolution-from-rawhide version, both under KDE. Can still right-click > > the link, select "Copy Link Location", and open via Klipper. Can't find > > anything on this in Bugzilla or list archive. Not sure if I should file > > a bug (could still be a user-configuration problem - haven't yet tried > > as a different user), or under what component. > > > > Phil > > > > > > I'm able to click on hyperlinks with no problems using Evolution 2.0.2-1 > and Firefox 0.10.1 on FC3 Test 3 as a user....under GNOME 2.8. > > Have you tried it under GNOME to see if this is a problem with KDE? On further investigation, seems to be a user configuration error. Logged in (well, "su - newuser") as a new "generic" user under the same KDE session that won't open links in "my" Evolution, ran Evolution as the new user, and both http:// and https:// links work. Apparently not a KDE problem. Have checked everything I can think of in my user configuration and am at a loss as to where the "missing link" may be. Haven't tried under GNOME yet, but will do. Under FC2/KDE/evolution-2.0.2-1 with - as far as I can see - the same user configuration (copied .evolution .gconf and .gconfd, from FC3T3 machine) hyperlinks work. Any suggestions appreciated. Still don't know if this belongs in Bugzilla, or under "Well, Duhhhh..." as my 7-year-old would say. Phil From whb at ceimaine.org Wed Oct 20 19:29:15 2004 From: whb at ceimaine.org (Will Backman) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:29:15 -0400 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <1098300555.17404.11.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:52 +0200, Roger Grosswiler wrote: > Hi, > > I am still looking for nice rpm's for fc2 for the jabber-server 2 including his transports to other networks, but they > are hard/impossible to find. > > At the moment i run jabber 1.43 with the redhat-rpm's, except the icq/aim-transport this works well. Wouldn't it be a > idea for future releases, delivering the jabber-server with? > > Roger > I'd like to see jabberd also. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 20 18:41:09 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:41:09 +0200 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV In-Reply-To: <4176AEAE.2040603@cisco.com> References: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> <1098295147.18675.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4176AEAE.2040603@cisco.com> Message-ID: <1098297669.18675.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 20 octobre 2004 ? 14:30 -0400, Neil B. Cohen a ?crit : > I'm having the same problems - but I don't know how to downgrade the > package - can someone point me in the right direction? > > Based on the email I've seen this afternoon - I think I need to edit out > the 'rhgb' on the boot line. > I did that and managed to get a command line login. But now I need to: > > a) downgrade the xorg-x11 package (just that one? or all of the xorg-x....?) Here I do : rpm -Uvh --oldpackage xorg-x11-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ xorg-x11-libs-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ xorg-x11-xfs-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ xorg-x11-devel-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm > b) reset the GDM process > killall gdm-binary > How do I do those things? Or should I just wait for the next set of > updates?? > > Thanks in advance, > > nbc > > >Same here with an old ATI Rage IIC. > >Back to 6.8.1-8. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have upgraded to FC3t3 and netscape displays the following error: $ CLASSPATH= netscape X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 73 (X_GetImage) Resource id in failed request: 0x3f Serial number of failed request: 137 Current serial number in output stream: 137 Rob Shewan From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Oct 20 20:04:12 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:04:12 +0200 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098300555.17404.11.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098300555.17404.11.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <20041020220412.58f09409.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:29:15 -0400, Will Backman wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:52 +0200, Roger Grosswiler wrote: > > Wouldn't it be a idea for future releases, delivering the > > jabber-server with? > > > > Roger > > > I'd like to see jabberd also. Then why not get these jabberd packages approved? https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1875 How? -> http://www.fedora.us/wiki/PackageSubmissionQAPolicy#review -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 0.15 0.17 0.48 From arnling at kth.se Wed Oct 20 20:25:28 2004 From: arnling at kth.se (Joakim Arnling) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:25:28 +0200 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 Message-ID: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev hal-0.4.0-5 udev-039-3 ... and some lines from /var/log/messages: Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: `' invalid for parameter `debug' Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.12 Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7 Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection Oct 20 21:32:12 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 20 21:32:20 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 346 Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11387]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11391]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11395]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11399]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11403]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11407]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 20 21:32:23 localhost ntpd[9247]: sendto(130.237.222.20): Network is unreachable Oct 20 21:32:28 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 349 Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11677]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11681]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11685]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 352 Oct 20 21:32:32 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 356 Oct 20 21:32:34 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 359 Oct 20 21:32:36 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 362 Oct 20 21:32:38 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 365 Oct 20 21:32:40 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 368 Oct 20 21:32:42 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 371 From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 20:36:09 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Joakim, The messages from hald about timing out waiting for a hotplug are caused by the kernel dropping hotplug events on the floor. This is really a kernel problem, but also in some ways a HAL problem that the sequence numbers for hotplug events are not consecutive. Hal now deals with this by waiting a bit for the in-sequence numbered hotplug event to arive from the kernel, and if none arives by the time the timeout expires, goes on and processes other hotplug events. I would suspect a bug in either the ipw2200 driver or the kernel at this point, you can also turn on debugging in your /etc/hotplug.d/default.hotplug script (look at the top for the export DEBUG=yes line and uncomment it) to see where the hotplug events are getting droped by the kernel. That would be most useful, and I know David Zeuthen would probably want to see that log. Prism54 had this issue as well when loading firmware, perhaps its something of the same sort with the ipw2200 driver. Dan On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Joakim Arnling wrote: > Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. > Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev > hal-0.4.0-5 > udev-039-3 > > ... and some lines from /var/log/messages: > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: `' invalid for parameter > `debug' > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless > 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.12 > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel > Corporation > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> > GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7 > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless > 2200BG Network Connection > Oct 20 21:32:12 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > core team > Oct 20 21:32:20 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 346 > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11387]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11391]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11395]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11399]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11403]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11407]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > core team > Oct 20 21:32:23 localhost ntpd[9247]: sendto(130.237.222.20): Network is > unreachable > Oct 20 21:32:28 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 349 > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11677]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11681]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11685]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 352 > Oct 20 21:32:32 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 356 > Oct 20 21:32:34 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 359 > Oct 20 21:32:36 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 362 > Oct 20 21:32:38 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 365 > Oct 20 21:32:40 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 368 > Oct 20 21:32:42 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 371 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From balay at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 20 20:36:27 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: X11 problem In-Reply-To: <4176C3FA.2010401@lio.aacisd.com> References: <4176C3FA.2010401@lio.aacisd.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Rob Shewan wrote: > I can usually start netscape on a RedHat 7.3 distribution with the display > rendered on my box running Fedora Core 2. My system has been upgraded with the > latest available for FCt3. > > The connection is via ssh with -X as an argument. For example: ssh -X rh7 Try: ssh -Y rh7 from ssh manpage: ' -Y Enables trusted X11 forwarding.' > xhost + has been executed on the display machine. you don't have to ever use this with ssh-x11-forwarding Satish From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 20 20:39:41 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:39:41 +0000 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 Message-ID: Hi, What kernel are you running? 2.6.9-1.639? If so, what do you get with 2.6.8-1.624 or 1-610? Those messages from hal saying its timing out for event ... are in there to fix bz #135202. I can I know that hal-0.4.0-4 with that fix did take care of the problem. Is it possible that 639 has a borked ipw2200 driver? IF you do think its hal, drop back to 0.4.0-4 and see if that fixes it. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Joakim Arnling [mailto:arnling at kth.se] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 08:25 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 > > Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. > Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev > hal-0.4.0-5 > udev-039-3 > > ... and some lines from /var/log/messages: > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: `' invalid for parameter > `debug' > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless > 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.12 > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel > Corporation > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> > GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7 > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless > 2200BG Network Connection > Oct 20 21:32:12 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > core team > Oct 20 21:32:20 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 346 > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11387]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11391]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11395]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11399]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11403]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11407]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > core team > Oct 20 21:32:23 localhost ntpd[9247]: sendto(130.237.222.20): Network is > unreachable > Oct 20 21:32:28 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 349 > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11677]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11681]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11685]: removing device node > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 352 > Oct 20 21:32:32 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 356 > Oct 20 21:32:34 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 359 > Oct 20 21:32:36 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 362 > Oct 20 21:32:38 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 365 > Oct 20 21:32:40 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 368 > Oct 20 21:32:42 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 371 > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From arnling at kth.se Wed Oct 20 21:06:22 2004 From: arnling at kth.se (Joakim Arnling) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:06:22 +0200 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098306382.10847.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I tried all combinations of kernel-2.6.8-1.624, kernel-2.6.9-1.639 and downgrading hal. ons 2004-10-20 klockan 20:39 +0000 skrev Andrew: > Hi, > > What kernel are you running? 2.6.9-1.639? If so, what do you get with 2.6.8-1.624 or 1-610? Those messages from hal saying its timing out for event ... are in there to fix bz #135202. I can I know that hal-0.4.0-4 with that fix did take care of the problem. Is it possible that 639 has a borked ipw2200 driver? IF you do think its hal, drop back to 0.4.0-4 and see if that fixes it. > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joakim Arnling [mailto:arnling at kth.se] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 08:25 PM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 > > > > Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. > > Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? > > > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev > > hal-0.4.0-5 > > udev-039-3 > > > > ... and some lines from /var/log/messages: > > > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: `' invalid for parameter > > `debug' > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless > > 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.12 > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel > > Corporation > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> > > GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7 > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless > > 2200BG Network Connection > > Oct 20 21:32:12 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > > core team > > Oct 20 21:32:20 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 346 > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11387]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11391]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11395]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11399]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11403]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11407]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > > core team > > Oct 20 21:32:23 localhost ntpd[9247]: sendto(130.237.222.20): Network is > > unreachable > > Oct 20 21:32:28 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 349 > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11677]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11681]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11685]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 352 > > Oct 20 21:32:32 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 356 > > Oct 20 21:32:34 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 359 > > Oct 20 21:32:36 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 362 > > Oct 20 21:32:38 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 365 > > Oct 20 21:32:40 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 368 > > Oct 20 21:32:42 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 371 > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 20 21:22:29 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:22:29 +0000 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 Message-ID: Hi, I am running udev-039-3 and hal 0.4.0-4. So, let me ask if you are running NetworkManager or are you just doing the equiv of manual system-config-network? For me NetworkManager just drives me nuts as I get 3 or more notification applets (and if I don't kill them all before I logout), I get even more the next time I log in. Could it be NetworkManager? Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Joakim Arnling [mailto:arnling at kth.se] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 09:06 PM > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > Subject: Re: latest rawhide and ipw2200 > > I tried all combinations of kernel-2.6.8-1.624, kernel-2.6.9-1.639 and > downgrading hal. > > > ons 2004-10-20 klockan 20:39 +0000 skrev Andrew: > > Hi, > > > > What kernel are you running? 2.6.9-1.639? If so, what do you get with 2.6.8-1.624 or 1-610? Those messages from hal saying its timing out for event ... are in there to fix bz #135202. I can I know that hal-0.4.0-4 with that fix did take care of the problem. Is it possible that 639 has a borked ipw2200 driver? IF you do think its hal, drop back to 0.4.0-4 and see if that fixes it. > > > > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joakim Arnling [mailto:arnling at kth.se] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 08:25 PM > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 > > > > > > Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. > > > Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? > > > > > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev > > > hal-0.4.0-5 > > > udev-039-3 > > > > > > ... and some lines from /var/log/messages: > > > > > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: `' invalid for parameter > > > `debug' > > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless > > > 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.12 > > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel > > > Corporation > > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> > > > GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7 > > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless > > > 2200BG Network Connection > > > Oct 20 21:32:12 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > > > core team > > > Oct 20 21:32:20 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 346 > > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11387]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11391]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11395]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11399]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11403]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11407]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > > > core team > > > Oct 20 21:32:23 localhost ntpd[9247]: sendto(130.237.222.20): Network is > > > unreachable > > > Oct 20 21:32:28 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 349 > > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11677]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11681]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11685]: removing device node > > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 352 > > > Oct 20 21:32:32 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 356 > > > Oct 20 21:32:34 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 359 > > > Oct 20 21:32:36 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 362 > > > Oct 20 21:32:38 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 365 > > > Oct 20 21:32:40 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 368 > > > Oct 20 21:32:42 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > > event 371 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 20 21:37:26 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:37:26 +0000 Subject: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) Message-ID: Hi, You don't have to open high-ports. add 137:udp and 138:udp (for netbios-ns and netbios-dgm) to your firewall. An iptstate I just did shows a 137/udp for both src and dest to my WINS server., and various 138/udp all over the subnet. You do have an WINS server running on the network right? If you do your /etc/samba/smb.conf file should have the following wins server = nn.nn.nn.nn where nn.nn.nn.nn is your WINS server. If this Samba server is doing the name serving, then you need to have this line wins support = yes (not commented out) and then you must comment out the wins server = nn.nn.nn.nn line (since you can't be a name server client and server at the same time) Plus you should make sure your domain master = no and preferred master = no or are both commented out (unless you are going to be the domain master or subnet master "browse-list" master.) Here is mine running as a client (notice the comment ";") /etc/samba/smb.conf ------- # Windows Internet Name Serving Support Section: # WINS Support - Tells the NMBD component of Samba to enable it's WINS Server ; wins support = yes # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client # Note: Samba can be either a WINS Server, or a WINS Client, but NOT both wins server = 192.168.50.127 ------- Hope this helps. - Plus FWIW, Network Neighborhood never really did work right even in an all Windows world -- that's why they went with a directory service in W2K. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyrre Ness Sjobak [mailto:kyrre at solution-forge.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 07:19 PM > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > Subject: Re: Network Servers (where is my workgroup?) > > *urk* > > I was hoping there was some "easy solution" such as "puch port blah:udp > and blah:tcp open" > > Why does windows need to make things complicated? > > ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 21.20 skrev Matthew Miller: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 09:15:15PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity: which ports do i have to open to make it work? > > > > Off the top of my head, I think you need to allow all UDP packets destined > > for ports above 1024 that originate from ports 137 or 138. But you may want > > to get confirmation on that from someone who knows what they're talking > > about. I'm lucky enough that I have no need to deal with this "talking to > > Windows" issue in my own life. :) > > > > -- > > Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org > > Boston University Linux ------> > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 21:45:57 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed Message-ID: As of today, almost everything is frozen rock solid for FC3 - the only changes that should be going in from this point are fixes for showstopper(*) bugs, and kernel bug fixes. Because a good amount of kernel work for FC3 happened after the FC3test3 release, the release of the final FC3 has been delayed to November 8. The extra time will be used only to give extra attention to the kernel, and to find any showstopper bugs in other parts of the distribution. Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to be. Happy bug hunting, -- Elliot (*) A showstopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severly impacts the user's basic ability to install and use the system. From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Oct 20 21:58:16 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:58:16 +0200 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> Message-ID: <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> Hi, I am running jabberd2 as well but I am not sure if it can be reasonably packaged. For example you have to configure (c2s, resolver, s2s, sm)<=>router and (c2s, sm)<=>database connectivity. I think it would be more important for Fedora to supply a good jabber client, gaim is nice for ICQ but cannot browse/subscribe/use any jabber services :-( Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key There's too much blood in my caffeine system. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 20 21:59:15 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Andrew wrote: > I am running udev-039-3 and hal 0.4.0-4. So, let me ask if you are running NetworkManager or are you just doing the equiv of manual system-config-network? For me NetworkManager just drives me nuts as I get 3 or more notification applets (and if I don't kill them all before I logout), I get even more the next time I log in. > Could it be NetworkManager? Andrew, That's probably because they are in your session. Use gnome-session-properties to remove all instances of NetworkManagerInfo and NetworkManagerNotification, and then run NetworkManagerInfo once from the command-line. Dan From arnling at kth.se Wed Oct 20 21:59:30 2004 From: arnling at kth.se (Joakim Arnling) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:59:30 +0200 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098309570.10847.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> ok, here is the log, (is it nice to make attachments in these lists?) ons 2004-10-20 klockan 16:36 -0400 skrev Dan Williams: > Joakim, > > The messages from hald about timing out waiting for a hotplug are caused > by the kernel dropping hotplug events on the floor. This is really a > kernel problem, but also in some ways a HAL problem that the sequence > numbers for hotplug events are not consecutive. Hal now deals with this > by waiting a bit for the in-sequence numbered hotplug event to arive from > the kernel, and if none arives by the time the timeout expires, goes on > and processes other hotplug events. > > I would suspect a bug in either the ipw2200 driver or the kernel at this > point, you can also turn on debugging in your > /etc/hotplug.d/default.hotplug script (look at the top for the export > DEBUG=yes line and uncomment it) to see where the hotplug events are > getting droped by the kernel. That would be most useful, and I know David > Zeuthen would probably want to see that log. > > Prism54 had this issue as well when loading firmware, perhaps its > something of the same sort with the ipw2200 driver. > > Dan > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Joakim Arnling wrote: > > > Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. > > Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? > > > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev > > hal-0.4.0-5 > > udev-039-3 > > > > ... and some lines from /var/log/messages: > > > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: `' invalid for parameter > > `debug' > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless > > 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.12 > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel > > Corporation > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> > > GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7 > > Oct 20 21:32:11 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless > > 2200BG Network Connection > > Oct 20 21:32:12 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > > core team > > Oct 20 21:32:20 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 346 > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11387]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11391]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11395]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11399]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11403]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost udev[11407]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:21 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter > > core team > > Oct 20 21:32:23 localhost ntpd[9247]: sendto(130.237.222.20): Network is > > unreachable > > Oct 20 21:32:28 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 349 > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11677]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11681]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost udev[11685]: removing device node > > '/dev/0000:02:03.0' > > Oct 20 21:32:30 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 352 > > Oct 20 21:32:32 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 356 > > Oct 20 21:32:34 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 359 > > Oct 20 21:32:36 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 362 > > Oct 20 21:32:38 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 365 > > Oct 20 21:32:40 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 368 > > Oct 20 21:32:42 localhost hald[9345]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > > event 371 > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.12 Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7 Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11896]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_boot.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=376 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11896]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11914]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_boot.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=377 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11914]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11927]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_ucode.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=379 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11927]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11945]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_ucode.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=380 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11945]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11958]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_bss.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=382 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11958]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11976]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_bss.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=383 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11976]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11989]: arguments (net) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/net/eth1 PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 INTERFACE=eth1 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=384 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[11989]: invoke /etc/hotplug/net.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost net.agent[11989]: invoke ifup /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[12031]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_boot.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=386 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[12031]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[12047]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_boot.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=387 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:25 localhost default.hotplug[12047]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12059]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_ucode.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=389 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12059]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12078]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_ucode.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=390 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12078]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12093]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_bss.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=392 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12093]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12124]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_bss.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=393 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost default.hotplug[12124]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:26 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 375 Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost udev[12285]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost udev[12289]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost udev[12293]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost udev[12297]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost udev[12301]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12304]: arguments (net) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/net/eth1 ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug DEVNAME=eth1 SHLVL=1 INTERFACE=eth1 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=384 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12304]: invoke /etc/hotplug/net.agent () Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost net.agent[12304]: invoke ifup /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12346]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_boot.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=395 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12346]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12365]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_boot.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=396 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12365]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12377]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_ucode.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=398 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:35 localhost default.hotplug[12377]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost default.hotplug[12396]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_ucode.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=399 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost default.hotplug[12396]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost default.hotplug[12408]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_bss.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=401 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost default.hotplug[12408]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost default.hotplug[12439]: arguments (firmware) env (OLDPWD=/ DEVPATH=/class/firmware/0000:02:03.0 FIRMWARE=ipw2200_bss.fw PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=remove PWD=/etc/hotplug HOME=/ SHLVL=2 DEBUG=yes SEQNUM=402 _=/bin/env) Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost default.hotplug[12439]: invoke /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent () Oct 20 23:26:36 localhost udev[12464]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:42 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 378 Oct 20 23:26:44 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 381 Oct 20 23:26:45 localhost udev[12607]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:45 localhost udev[12611]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:46 localhost udev[12615]: removing device node '/dev/0000:02:03.0' Oct 20 23:26:46 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 385 Oct 20 23:26:48 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 388 Oct 20 23:26:50 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 391 Oct 20 23:26:52 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 394 Oct 20 23:26:54 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 397 Oct 20 23:26:56 localhost hald[9176]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 400 From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Wed Oct 20 22:01:32 2004 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:01:32 +0300 Subject: upgrade from Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <7051BA7A-22CB-11D9-894C-000A95D9FA7A@bblfish.net> References: <7051BA7A-22CB-11D9-894C-000A95D9FA7A@bblfish.net> Message-ID: <200410210101.32308.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Henry Story kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika keskiviikko, 20. lokakuuta 2004 22:08): > Is it ok to upgrade a system from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core > 3 test 3? Yes, if you want to test the upgrade ability of the installer. > Should it then be relatively easy to continue upgrading to the > Fedora Core 3 final when it comes out? No, upgrading from test to final isn't supported. You should do a complete re-install. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From rodd at clarkson.id.au Wed Oct 20 22:02:08 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:02:08 +1000 Subject: NetworkManagerInfo not finding rt2400 Wireless PCMCIA card (which is active) In-Reply-To: References: <1097734904.10838.16.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1097759533.1698.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1097808057.3933.1.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> <1098046284.3742.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098238232.4767.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098309728.3953.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:04 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > Rod, > > Can you post the whole section from lshal for this card? I just plugged > my orninoco in last night, and it seems to get the info.capabilities of > "net.80203", which indicates that HAL thinks its a wired card. udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1814_101' info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1814_101' (string) pci.device_protocol = 0 (0x0) (int) pci.device_subclass = 128 (0x80) (int) pci.device_class = 2 (0x2) (int) info.vendor = 'RaLink' (string) info.product = 'Wireless PCI Adpator RT2400 / RT2460' (string) pci.subsys_vendor = 'CNet Technology Inc' (string) pci.product = 'Wireless PCI Adpator RT2400 / RT2460' (string) pci.vendor = 'RaLink' (string) pci.subsys_product_id = 8 (0x8) (int) pci.subsys_vendor_id = 4977 (0x1371) (int) pci.product_id = 257 (0x101) (int) pci.vendor_id = 6164 (0x1814) (int) info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_104c_ac1c' (string) pci.linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.1/0000:06:00.0' (string) linux.sysfs_path_device = '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.1/0000:06:00.0' (string) linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.1/0000:06:00.0' (string) info.bus = 'pci' (string) I can't see info.capabilities for this card. > HAL checks for a specific file in sys to see whether or not its a wired > card, and it might be that this file is not present until the driver is > inited or something. Can you post the whole "ra0" section from lshal, and > then we'll be able to see if thats also the case with you? see above. Also 'lshal | grep ra0' no longer returns any results. Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From jeffy5 at optonline.net Wed Oct 20 22:04:47 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:04:47 -0400 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad in Fedora Core 3t3 Message-ID: <200410201804.48352.jeffy5@optonline.net> Dear Sirs, Today, I just upgraded from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core 3t3. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop. After the installation, I noticed that there is support for the Synaptics Touchpad but I am not sure how to configure it. There doesn't seem to be any way to change the mouse configuration once everything is installed. Or perhaps there is, it's just that I don't know what it is. I noticed that there seems to be some configuration with kickstart, but I don't know how to From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Wed Oct 20 22:13:20 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:13:20 +0200 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041021001320.3dbc6b2c.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:58:16 +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > I think it would be more important for Fedora to supply a good jabber > client, gaim is nice for ICQ but cannot browse/subscribe/use any jabber > services :-( Have you tried Psi before? -> fedora.us "stable" -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 1.37 1.24 0.93 From thomasz at hostmaster.org Wed Oct 20 22:21:53 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:21:53 +0200 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098283050.16995.31.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> <1098269009.20131.82.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098272734.28171.10.camel@anu.eridu> <20041020143101.GA5636@nsk.no-ip.org> <1098283050.16995.31.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1098310913.20131.105.camel@hostmaster.org> On Mit, 2004-10-20 at 10:37 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > You're only downloading the headers of the packages that are having some > action done to them by the transaction set. Looking at repodata/primary.xml.gz I see provides, conflicts, obsoletes and requires, what else is required? Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key To vote in an election does not mean to have a choice! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 20 22:24:05 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:24:05 -0400 Subject: yum version 2.1.9-1 In-Reply-To: <1098310913.20131.105.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098226157.20131.80.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098227735.30531.80.camel@binkley> <1098269009.20131.82.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098272734.28171.10.camel@anu.eridu> <20041020143101.GA5636@nsk.no-ip.org> <1098283050.16995.31.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1098310913.20131.105.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1098311045.25512.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 18:21, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > On Mit, 2004-10-20 at 10:37 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > You're only downloading the headers of the packages that are having some > > action done to them by the transaction set. > > Looking at repodata/primary.xml.gz I see provides, conflicts, obsoletes > and requires, what else is required? To resolve the deps,and to know they are resolved correctly, you either need: to write your own depsolver, entirely, or you hand off the information about what you _think_ is correct to rpm and you ask it to tell you if you've gotten it all right. anaconda, up2date and yum do the latter. -sv From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Wed Oct 20 22:27:34 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:27:34 +0100 Subject: upgrade from Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <200410210101.32308.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <7051BA7A-22CB-11D9-894C-000A95D9FA7A@bblfish.net> <200410210101.32308.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <200410202327.34449.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 20 October 2004 23:01, Markku Kolkka wrote: > > Should it then be relatively easy to continue upgrading to the > > Fedora Core 3 final when it comes out? > > No, upgrading from test to final isn't supported. You should do a > complete re-install. It may not be supported, but why shouldn't it work? I upgraded from test2 to test3, without problem. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From darren at dzr-web.com Wed Oct 20 22:45:58 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:45:58 +0100 Subject: upgrade from Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <200410202327.34449.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <7051BA7A-22CB-11D9-894C-000A95D9FA7A@bblfish.net> <200410210101.32308.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <200410202327.34449.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098312358.4086.362.camel@excession.dzr> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 23:27, Timothy Murphy wrote: > It may not be supported, but why shouldn't it work? > I upgraded from test2 to test3, without problem. I think this is the rationale: upgrading from FCn to FCn+1 (i.e. from one final release to the next final release) is, of course, fine; upgrading from FCn to FCn+1-testX is fine because it tests the upgrade process; however, upgrading from any FCn-testX is strongly discouraged because test releases are by their nature bug-ridden and the upgrade process is specifically only tested for final release to (proposed) next final release. If you do the latter your machine may end up in some kind of borked state, which you will likely report to the list and on bugzilla and no one will really be able to determine if your problems are genuine ones which may potentially affect non-test-release users or whether they were specifically caused by your upgrading from a test release to a final release. Of course there is nothing to stop you doing what you proposed, but if things don't work out right then please don't post about them or buzilla them before trying to reproduce them on a clean install or supported upgrade. Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From royab at bc.edu Wed Oct 20 23:03:13 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:03:13 -0400 Subject: upgrade from Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <200410202327.34449.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <7051BA7A-22CB-11D9-894C-000A95D9FA7A@bblfish.net> <200410210101.32308.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <200410202327.34449.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <4176EEB1.3000201@bc.edu> Timothy Murphy wrote: >On Wednesday 20 October 2004 23:01, Markku Kolkka wrote: > > > >>>Should it then be relatively easy to continue upgrading to the >>>Fedora Core 3 final when it comes out? >>> >>> >>No, upgrading from test to final isn't supported. You should do a >>complete re-install. >> >> > >It may not be supported, but why shouldn't it work? >I upgraded from test2 to test3, without problem. > > > Lets suppose I do the upgrade (from fc3t3) to FC3 when it comes out. I make sure that the version numbers of the packages I have are such that they are >= version numbers of FC3 (some of them will be higher probably if I am doing daily updates from rawhide). Now is that enough to say that I have a pristine FC3 system ? I think the answer is no. Because there might be features that a clean process installs that may not happen if I do the upgrade. Case in point, the default install in FC3t3 enables LVM and partitions using LVM. When I did the upgrade from FC2 to FC3t3 on my system, I did not see the option at all. On another machine where I did a clean install, anaconda used LVM to set up partitions. Is my understanding of the situation correct ? In other words, is package compatibility equivalent to clean installs ? Sorry, if this is a stupid question. Amitabha From linxt at comcast.net Wed Oct 20 23:10:59 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:10:59 -0700 Subject: Failed upgrade FC3 (t2 > t3) In-Reply-To: <1097664288.24746.4.camel@hamlet.isiway.it> References: <200410130240.51388.linxt@comcast.net> <1097664288.24746.4.camel@hamlet.isiway.it> Message-ID: <200410201610.59483.linxt@comcast.net> Hi Gabriele: Thanks for the response. It agrees with what I've gotten from MD5SUM of my iso which I finally got to work. Worry it took so long to get back to you, getting behind on a lot of things. Thanks, Tom On Wednesday 13 October 2004 03:44, Gabriele Zappi wrote: > Il mer, 2004-10-13 alle 11:40, Tom Taylor ha scritto: > .... > > > Does someone out there have a valid MD5SUM for the DVD? If so, would you > > please send me a copy of it. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > 2ca41f167d944453cd64585da9c3892b FC3-test3-i386-DVD.iso > ..... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 20 23:21:10 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:21:10 -0400 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4176F2E6.2050407@speakeasy.net> Hi, I think that is *exactly* how I do start NetworkManagerInfo -- from a command line from within a gnome-terminal. Should I do it from the "Run Application..."? Yes the NetworkManager daemon is running, and no, netplugd is not. (I've been looking for info on how/where to start NetworkManagerInfo because I figured I must be doing it wrong). I was just chalking it up to the "oddness" in the prism54 driver. To me it feels like there is a race or at least a bad sequence of events when it comes to the interaction between the kernel/hotplug hal and NetworkManager for wireless cards that load firmware. FWIW hal always gets the wrong MAC address for my prism54 card -- unless I restart hald while the card is inserted. The iw* tools and ifconfig all report the correct MAC address for the card. So I was thinking that hald was trying to get the MAC before it really could because of the loading of the firmware, that plus it usually takes 3 attempts for the firmware to load in the first place -- which I also think is caused by a race condition -- I can't prove that yet, but it feels that way. -- Sure that is just speculation but there is definitely something wrong between the those 3 components. --- Where exactly the problem lies I don't know, but I do know 100% for sure that there IS a bug in its sysfs or kobject kset->hotplug_ops callbacks implementation in the prism54 driver, as I witnessed myself. I specifically haven't opened a NetworkManager bug b/c I was chalking up it to the above. -- Sorry for going off topic. -- I don't want to hijack this thread. Thanks, Andrew Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Andrew wrote: > >>I am running udev-039-3 and hal 0.4.0-4. So, let me ask if you are running NetworkManager or are you just doing the equiv of manual system-config-network? For me NetworkManager just drives me nuts as I get 3 or more notification applets (and if I don't kill them all before I logout), I get even more the next time I log in. >>Could it be NetworkManager? > > > Andrew, > > That's probably because they are in your session. Use > gnome-session-properties to remove all instances of NetworkManagerInfo and > NetworkManagerNotification, and then run NetworkManagerInfo once from the > command-line. > > Dan > From jeffy5 at optonline.net Wed Oct 20 22:42:15 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:42:15 -0400 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 Message-ID: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> Dear Sirs, Today, I just upgraded from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core 3t3. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop. After the installation, I noticed that there is support for the Synaptics Touchpad but I am not sure how to configure it. There doesn't seem to be any way to change the mouse configuration once everything is installed. Or perhaps there is, it's just that I don't know what it is. I noticed that there seems to be some sort of configuration with kickstart, but I don't know how to configure it. I am now hearing that the final release of Fedora Core 3 will be delayed about a week (Nov 8). Perhaps it would be a good idea to include a menu in System Settings where mouse configuration can be easily changed after the installation. From b.akins at verizon.net Wed Oct 20 19:46:50 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:46:50 +0000 Subject: Unable to read the Terminal In-Reply-To: <34752.213.164.3.90.1098276690.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <34752.213.164.3.90.1098276690.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <4176C0AA.5020608@verizon.net> nodata wrote: >>I am not able to read the contents of a terminal >> >> >Are you seeing funny characters where you might expect colour, or everywhere? > > > This only happens when a terminal is opened at the login screen. they are characters but not recognizable From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Wed Oct 20 23:59:21 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:59:21 +0100 Subject: Doom 3 not working tonight Message-ID: <1098316761.6147.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I've installed Doom3 on my box, copied the files and typed doom3 in a terminal box. Everything seems to be working then I get the error Warning: vertex array range in virtual memory (SLOW) signal caught: Segmentation fault si_code 1 Trying to exit gracefully Shutting down sound hardware ----OSS Sound Shutdown------ unmap dma sound buffer close sound device Any ideas on fixing this? TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cra at WPI.EDU Thu Oct 21 00:13:06 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:06 -0400 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 In-Reply-To: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20041021001306.GO17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > Today, I just upgraded from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core 3t3. I have a > Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop. After the installation, I noticed that there is > support for the Synaptics Touchpad but I am not sure how to configure it. Try this: system-config-display --reconfig From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 00:17:56 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:17:56 -0500 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV In-Reply-To: <1098297669.18675.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> <1098295147.18675.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4176AEAE.2040603@cisco.com> <1098297669.18675.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41770034.7020404@earthlink.net> Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le mercredi 20 octobre 2004 ? 14:30 -0400, Neil B. Cohen a ?crit : > >>I'm having the same problems - but I don't know how to downgrade the >>package - can someone point me in the right direction? >> >>Based on the email I've seen this afternoon - I think I need to edit out >>the 'rhgb' on the boot line. >>I did that and managed to get a command line login. But now I need to: >> >>a) downgrade the xorg-x11 package (just that one? or all of the xorg-x....?) > > > Here I do : > rpm -Uvh --oldpackage xorg-x11-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ > xorg-x11-libs-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ > xorg-x11-xfs-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ > xorg-x11-devel-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm > > >>b) reset the GDM process >> > > > killall gdm-binary > > >>How do I do those things? Or should I just wait for the next set of >>updates?? >> >>Thanks in advance, >> >>nbc >> >> >>>Same here with an old ATI Rage IIC. >>>Back to 6.8.1-8. >>> >>> >> > Pardon my ignorance, but where would one get the 6.8.1-8 rpms? All I can find on the mirrors now are 6.8.1-10, the faulty one. Thanks. Gerry Tool From smooge at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 00:25:04 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:25:04 -0600 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV In-Reply-To: <41770034.7020404@earthlink.net> References: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> <1098295147.18675.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4176AEAE.2040603@cisco.com> <1098297669.18675.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41770034.7020404@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <80d7e40904102017255fbb202f@mail.gmail.com> ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable Mike has fixed -12 and old -8 for our use. On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:17:56 -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > > Le mercredi 20 octobre 2004 ? 14:30 -0400, Neil B. Cohen a ?crit : > > > >>I'm having the same problems - but I don't know how to downgrade the > >>package - can someone point me in the right direction? > >> > >>Based on the email I've seen this afternoon - I think I need to edit out > >>the 'rhgb' on the boot line. > >>I did that and managed to get a command line login. But now I need to: > >> > >>a) downgrade the xorg-x11 package (just that one? or all of the xorg-x....?) > > > > > > Here I do : > > rpm -Uvh --oldpackage xorg-x11-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ > > xorg-x11-libs-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ > > xorg-x11-xfs-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm \ > > xorg-x11-devel-6.8.1-8.i386.rpm > > > > > >>b) reset the GDM process > >> > > > > > > killall gdm-binary > > > > > >>How do I do those things? Or should I just wait for the next set of > >>updates?? > >> > >>Thanks in advance, > >> > >>nbc > >> > >> > >>>Same here with an old ATI Rage IIC. > >>>Back to 6.8.1-8. > >>> > >>> > >> > > > Pardon my ignorance, but where would one get the 6.8.1-8 rpms? All I > can find on the mirrors now are 6.8.1-10, the faulty one. > > Thanks. > > Gerry Tool > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From johntrichardson at charter.net Thu Oct 21 00:34:29 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (John Richardson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:34:29 -0400 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: > I thought that what the OP was asking was whether the laptop-mode-tools > located at http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsamwel/laptop_mode/index.html were > going to be included in FC3 ... Exactly. The /proc laptop_mode file is, of course, present, but 1) enabling it doesn't seem to help spin down the drive (I assuming this is due to logging) 2) I could probably get it working via laptop-mode-tools, but I want to make sure something similar isn't there already Of course, it would be great if it's going into the final release. John From johntrichardson at charter.net Thu Oct 21 00:39:19 2004 From: johntrichardson at charter.net (John Richardson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:39:19 -0400 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <1098242017.4086.300.camel@excession.dzr> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <1098242017.4086.300.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: Pretty much just by echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep. With FC3T2, it worked, but not well. With the current rawhide kernel, it works most of the time. John On Oct 19, 2004, at 11:13 PM, D. D. Brierton wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 02:59, johntrichardson at charter.net wrote: > >> BTW: Things have definately been getting better with recent rawhides. >> I now can pretty much suspend and resume my (Dell Inspiron 4100) >> notebook 10 times before something freezes the screen (much better >> than the screen corruption I was getting practically every time I >> tried with FC3T2). > > How did you get suspend working? I've got a Dell Inspiron 8200 running > FC2 and have had no luck at all ... > > Best, Darren > > -- > ===================================================================== > D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com > Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) > ===================================================================== > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 01:15:45 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:15:45 -0500 Subject: Latext Xorg Update Kills NV In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904102017255fbb202f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098291995.10666.5.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> <4176A046.3000602@earthlink.net> <1098295147.18675.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4176AEAE.2040603@cisco.com> <1098297669.18675.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41770034.7020404@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904102017255fbb202f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41770DC1.3040509@earthlink.net> Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: >ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable > >Mike has fixed -12 and old -8 for our use. > > > Thanks, that got me going. Gerry From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 01:18:54 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:18:54 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41770E7E.9020500@earthlink.net> Elliot Lee wrote: >As of today, almost everything is frozen rock solid for FC3 - the only >changes that should be going in from this point are fixes for >showstopper(*) bugs, and kernel bug fixes. > >Because a good amount of kernel work for FC3 happened after the FC3test3 >release, the release of the final FC3 has been delayed to November 8. The >extra time will be used only to give extra attention to the kernel, and to >find any showstopper bugs in other parts of the distribution. > >Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree >(http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). >Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And >thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to >be. > >Happy bug hunting, >-- Elliot >(*) A showstopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severly >impacts the user's basic ability to install and use the system. > > > the latest kernel there is 639. Gerry From wes at kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu Thu Oct 21 01:25:37 2004 From: wes at kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu (Wes Shull) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:25:37 -0700 Subject: No debuginfo packages for xorg? Message-ID: <200410201825.37858.wes@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> After the recent brouhaha involving xorg, I was picking the bad builds out of my copy of rawhide to make sure I didn't accidentally install them. When I got over to the debug dir, though, I noticed no debuginfo packages for xorg at all, and looking at my archive, none ever. Anyone know why? Am I missing something? I'm afraid I'm not fully clueful enough to know how to check if the symbols have been left in the binaries (which would preclude the need for debuginfo packages). --wes From alan at clueserver.org Thu Oct 21 00:27:28 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No debuginfo packages for xorg? In-Reply-To: <200410201825.37858.wes@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Wes Shull wrote: > After the recent brouhaha involving xorg, I was picking the bad builds out > of my copy of rawhide to make sure I didn't accidentally install them. > When I got over to the debug dir, though, I noticed no debuginfo packages > for xorg at all, and looking at my archive, none ever. Anyone know why? > Am I missing something? I'm afraid I'm not fully clueful enough to know > how to check if the symbols have been left in the binaries (which would > preclude the need for debuginfo packages). I have seen debug packages for rawhide xorg packages before. They are *huge*. What site are you looking at for copies? From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 01:43:50 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:43:50 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41771456.9030403@earthlink.net> Elliot Lee wrote: >As of today, almost everything is frozen rock solid for FC3 - the only >changes that should be going in from this point are fixes for >showstopper(*) bugs, and kernel bug fixes. > >Because a good amount of kernel work for FC3 happened after the FC3test3 >release, the release of the final FC3 has been delayed to November 8. The >extra time will be used only to give extra attention to the kernel, and to >find any showstopper bugs in other parts of the distribution. > >Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree >(http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). >Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And >thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to >be. > >Happy bug hunting, >-- Elliot >(*) A showstopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severly >impacts the user's basic ability to install and use the system. > > > Bugzilla # 133064 is a kernel related bug that is a show stopper for me and anyone trying to print via networked LPD print servers such as the Netgear PS110. The system is unusable if I can't print. Kernel 639 has not solved this problem. According to the last comment in this bug report, it takes installing an _FC2_ kernel to make printing work. It actually worked up through kernel 2.6.8-1.526 that was one released in FC3T1. It has not worked since then. Gerry Tool From stephen.day at comcast.net Thu Oct 21 01:48:09 2004 From: stephen.day at comcast.net (Steve) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:48:09 -0700 Subject: Major problems after updating all pacakages today Message-ID: <017701c4b710$04fe9750$6601a8c0@internet> I have FC3t3 installed on two machines. A sony laptop and a homebuilt ASUS AMD Athlon system. After doing all the upgrades today both systems hang a "Configuring kernel parameters". Both systems worked fine prior to updating and they have different kernel revisions. Any help other than start over? Steve From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 20 18:43:08 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:43:08 +0200 Subject: ext3 reservation Message-ID: <1098297788.18675.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> How to use ext3 reservation. Should I do some "tune2fs -O reservation" incantation ? Is it stable ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Check any of them? - boot without 'rhgb' to runlevel '3' - downgrade xorg-x11 to 6.8.1-8 (from yum cache) or upgrade to 6.8.1-12 from ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/xorg-x11/6.8.1-12/ Satish From gstool at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 02:02:43 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:02:43 -0500 Subject: Major problems after updating all pacakages today In-Reply-To: <017701c4b710$04fe9750$6601a8c0@internet> References: <017701c4b710$04fe9750$6601a8c0@internet> Message-ID: <417718C3.50103@earthlink.net> Steve wrote: >I have FC3t3 installed on two machines. A sony laptop and a homebuilt ASUS >AMD Athlon system. After doing all the upgrades today both systems hang a >"Configuring kernel parameters". > >Both systems worked fine prior to updating and they have different kernel >revisions. > >Any help other than start over? > >Steve > > > Look at the earlier thread titled "Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible" Gerry From mikedl at comcast.net Thu Oct 21 02:22:56 2004 From: mikedl at comcast.net (Mike) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:22:56 -0400 Subject: SATA install issue? Message-ID: <200410202222.56141.mikedl@comcast.net> I have an ABIT AV8 (via chipset), with two drives attached to one sata port, although with no RAID configured in the BIOS. ?WinXP is installed on the first drive. ?When installing FC3T3, I don't have any obvious problems, but grub stage1 appears to not get installed onto the first drive MBR (as is configured in the installer) the system reboots into Windows using the windows loader. ?Any ideas? Thanks! From b.akins at verizon.net Wed Oct 20 23:00:41 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:00:41 +0000 Subject: Unable to read the Terminal In-Reply-To: <34752.213.164.3.90.1098276690.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <34752.213.164.3.90.1098276690.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <4176EE19.5080401@verizon.net> nodata wrote: >>I am not able to read the contents of a terminal >> >> >Are you seeing funny characters where you might expect colour, or everywhere? > > > Problem solved with lastest xorg-x11 from ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/xorg-x11/6.8.1-12/i386/ From ampelmann at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 03:05:57 2004 From: ampelmann at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:05:57 -0200 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone! Can somebody help with this? What does this yum's output mean? [root at localhost bcampos]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files developmen: ################################################## 3430/3430 base : ################################################## 2615/2615 Resolving Dependencies gcc-java-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 20 kB 00:00 Fedora/RPMS/gcc-java-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 149, in ? main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 96, in main (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 168, in buildTransaction (rescode, restring) = self.resolveDeps() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 170, in resolveDeps self.populateTs(test=1) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/depsolve.py", line 128, in populateTs self.downloadHeader(po) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 418, in downloadHeader end=end, checkfunc=checkfunc, copy_local=1) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/yum/repos.py", line 432, in get checkfunc=checkfunc) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 414, in urlgrab return self._mirror_try(func, url, kw) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/mirror.py", line 400, in _mirror_try return func_ref( *(fullurl,), **kwargs ) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 597, in urlgrab return self._retry(opts, retryfunc, url, filename) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/urlgrabber/grabber.py", line 544, in _retry cb_func(obj, *cb_args, **cb_kwargs) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/output.py", line 41, in failureReport raise msg urlgrabber.grabber.CallbackObject: I'm using FC 2.92 Test 3, kernel 2.6.8-1.624 (many problems since upgrade... can resolve "/sbin/udevstart exited abnormally!" while booting the system... I don't know what to do. udev-039-3 installed). Thank you very much. Brunno From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 03:13:09 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:13:09 -0600 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm seeing the same thing. The udev errors are consistent on every boot. The yum errors come and go - most times running yum again succeeds without these errors. I've always figured they were due to a timeout trying to read a resource over the net. Glenn On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:05:57 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Can somebody help with this? What does this yum's output mean? > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 149, in ? > main(sys.argv[1:]) > File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 96, in main > (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() > > I'm using FC 2.92 Test 3, kernel 2.6.8-1.624 (many problems since > upgrade... can resolve "/sbin/udevstart exited abnormally!" while > booting the system... I don't know what to do. udev-039-3 installed). > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Thu Oct 21 03:34:54 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:34:54 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098329694.10977.3.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 17:45 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > As of today, almost everything is frozen rock solid for FC3 - the only > changes that should be going in from this point are fixes for > showstopper(*) bugs, and kernel bug fixes. > > Because a good amount of kernel work for FC3 happened after the FC3test3 > release, the release of the final FC3 has been delayed to November 8. The > extra time will be used only to give extra attention to the kernel, and to > find any showstopper bugs in other parts of the distribution. > > Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree > (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). > Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > be. > > Happy bug hunting, > -- Elliot > (*) A showstopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severly > impacts the user's basic ability to install and use the system. Not trying to be dense, but the latest kernel I see is 2.6.9-1.639 - is -640 fixin' to come out? Yours in Texas Thomas From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 21 03:35:31 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:35:31 -0400 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098329731.6171.10.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 01:05 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Can somebody help with this? What does this yum's output mean? > it means you should update yum to 2.1.10 -sv From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Thu Oct 21 03:44:52 2004 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:44:52 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> Message-ID: <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 14:50 -0400, Aaron Gaudio wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 11:56 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > [ snip unrelated discussion ] > > I'm still not able to connect to any vino session. Though I have enabled > it via the Preferences (and have since logged out and back in), I still > don't see any indication that a vncserver is available. I don't see > vino-server in a ps listing... should I? What could be keeping me from > getting this up and running? > After further trials, running /usr/libexec/vino-server manually does start up vino and let me connect a vncviewer to it. However, I'm assuming the user is not supposed to have to run this manually (especially considering the existence of /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/GNOME_RemoteDesktop.server). Does anyone know what is supposed to activate the server? How are others running vino? -- Aaron Gaudio From jerone at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 03:45:11 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:45:11 -0500 Subject: SATA install issue? In-Reply-To: <200410202222.56141.mikedl@comcast.net> References: <200410202222.56141.mikedl@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9f50a7a004102020456b1bd87b@mail.gmail.com> I have the same board and I have no problems. I have Win2000 installed and grub installes fine. Are you running any type of norton tools under XP that could be replacing the MBR ? On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:22:56 -0400, Mike wrote: > I have an ABIT AV8 (via chipset), with two drives attached to one sata port, > although with no RAID configured in the BIOS. WinXP is installed on the > first drive. When installing FC3T3, I don't have any obvious problems, but > grub stage1 appears to not get installed onto the first drive MBR (as is > configured in the installer) the system reboots into Windows using the > windows loader. Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 03:49:30 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:49:30 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <41770E7E.9020500@earthlink.net> References: <41770E7E.9020500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20041021034929.GB12030@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Gerry Tool (gstool at earthlink.net) said: > the latest kernel there is 639. That's good enough for testing... the changes in .640 aren't that extensive. Bill From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 03:59:58 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:59:58 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa79104102020593c8dd9d5@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:44:52 -0400, Aaron Gaudio > After further trials, running /usr/libexec/vino-server manually does > start up vino and let me connect a vncviewer to it. However, I'm > assuming the user is not supposed to have to run this manually > (especially considering the existence > of /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/GNOME_RemoteDesktop.server). Does anyone know > what is supposed to activate the server? How are others running vino? vino is working for me almost as i expect it. The configuration tool doesn't catch the fact that i have multiple X servers running locally and always wants to tell me localhost:0 is the display to connect to with the client, even though its not... i need to file that. I can start a gnome desktop start vino and then run a vncviewer from the same gnome desktop...and and enjoy staring into infinity. It helps to be on drugs when you do this for best effect. I can start a gnome desktop start a second gnome desktop on the same server using gdmflexiserver start vino on the second gnome desktop jump back to the first desktop and use vncviewer there and get a very inefficient way of simulating gdmflexiserver -n I can start a gnome desktop start vino and then on the other machine on the lan I can connect via vncviewer as long as my firewall is open enough to allow it. I can't reproduce the problems you are having. -jef From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Thu Oct 21 04:05:40 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:05:40 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021034929.GB12030@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> References: <41770E7E.9020500@earthlink.net> <20041021034929.GB12030@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098331540.10977.9.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 23:49 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Gerry Tool (gstool at earthlink.net) said: > > the latest kernel there is 639. > > That's good enough for testing... the changes in .640 aren't > that extensive. > > Bill Only kernel issue I have is the one that has already been reported... No X after update, fixed by the packages at ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable/xorg-x11/6.8.1-12/i386 Thanks, Thomas From mark at talios.com Thu Oct 21 04:30:21 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:21 +1300 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <41773B5D.2070702@talios.com> Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: >I think it would be more important for Fedora to supply a good jabber >client, gaim is nice for ICQ but cannot browse/subscribe/use any jabber >services :-( > > Gossip is a nice Jabber client and is currently getting user-friendly transport love added to it, the directory the guys are going is quite interesting as well ( listed known transports, and known servers that provide said transports ) rather than using XMPP discovery ( this was a long and drawn out thread that centered around the fact you, as a client developer can't guarantee the translated text of the service provider, thus not guaranteeing a good user experience ). From cochranb at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 21 04:34:29 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:34:29 -0400 Subject: Thanks To Satish and Mike Message-ID: <41773C55.4010703@speakeasy.net> Satish Balay, Thanks for your post to "Steve" telling briefly how to fix today's xorg-x11 update problem. Due to a bunch of things, yours was the only email I was able to download explaining how to fix the issue. So even if you thought you were repeating yourself, you helped me! Mike Harris, thanks also for posting corrected xorg-x11 6.8.1-12 rpms to people.redhat.com. I can see you had a late night at the office. Bob Cochran From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Thu Oct 21 04:36:38 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:36:38 -0500 Subject: Thanks To Satish and Mike In-Reply-To: <41773C55.4010703@speakeasy.net> References: <41773C55.4010703@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1098333398.10977.15.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 00:34 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Satish Balay, > > Thanks for your post to "Steve" telling briefly how to fix today's > xorg-x11 update problem. Due to a bunch of things, yours was the only > email I was able to download explaining how to fix the issue. So even if > you thought you were repeating yourself, you helped me! > > Mike Harris, thanks also for posting corrected xorg-x11 6.8.1-12 rpms to > people.redhat.com. I can see you had a late night at the office. > > Bob Cochran I'll second both "thanks." Thomas From diahron at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 05:28:27 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:28:27 -0500 Subject: Yum/Up2Date - No more updates Message-ID: <417748FB.3090804@earthlink.net> As with everyone else yesterday I cratered my system as well with the xorg update. However, I freshly reinstalled FC3T3 from the original .541 Kernels. Here is my problem, I updated: up2date - gnomeup2date and yum at the same time, before attempting to more current updates on other files. After. when I run up2date or yum, I get: An HTTP error occurred: URL: http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3/headers/header.info Status Code: 404 Error Message: Not Found ok, what all did I hose doing this? and what do I need to do to repair it. I did almost the identical type of update just a few days ago and had no problem (that was related to how I updated programs). The Redhat Update Alert Icon tooltip reads "No updates available (0) ignored" If you click on it you get an error message. From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Thu Oct 21 05:45:06 2004 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:45:06 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102020593c8dd9d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa79104102020593c8dd9d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098337506.19197.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 23:59 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I can start a gnome desktop > start vino and then run a vncviewer from the same gnome desktop...and > and enjoy staring into infinity. It helps to be on drugs when you do > this for best effect. I guess what I'm asking is: what are you doing to "start vino"? My expectation is that if I check "Allow other users to view your desktop" under the Remote Desktop Preferences, vino will automatically get started... -- Aaron Gaudio From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 21 05:56:59 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:56:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Yum/Up2Date - No more updates In-Reply-To: <417748FB.3090804@earthlink.net> References: <417748FB.3090804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Diahron Grismore wrote: > when I run up2date or yum, I get: > An HTTP error occurred: > URL: > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3/headers/header.info > Status Code: 404 > Error Message: Not Found > ok, what all did I hose doing this? and what do I need to do to repair it. Looks like both up2date & yum (perhaps via fedora-release pkg) are made to point to FC3 release locations - to get ready for the release. For yum - you can just edit /etc/yum.conf - and make it point back to rawhide - by commenting out the currently listed repos - and adding: --- [development] name=Rawhide baseurl=ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/development/i386 -- Satish From roger at gwch.net Thu Oct 21 06:07:02 2004 From: roger at gwch.net (Roger Grosswiler) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:07:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098300555.17404.11.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098300555.17404.11.camel@cei3544.empower.ceimaine.org> Message-ID: <54476.62.2.21.164.1098338822.squirrel@62.2.21.164> > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 08:52 +0200, Roger Grosswiler wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am still looking for nice rpm's for fc2 for the jabber-server 2 including his transports to other networks, but >> they >> are hard/impossible to find. >> >> At the moment i run jabber 1.43 with the redhat-rpm's, except the icq/aim-transport this works well. Wouldn't it be >> a >> idea for future releases, delivering the jabber-server with? >> >> Roger >> > I'd like to see jabberd also. > > Where can i put in a request for having jabberd in this fabulous distro?? Roger From makotoo2 at mac.com Thu Oct 21 06:22:32 2004 From: makotoo2 at mac.com (Makoto Otsu) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:22:32 +0900 Subject: apache configtest Message-ID: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> Apache configtest not work The following commands display nothing. # service httpd configtest or # httpd -t or # apachectl configtest From archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl Thu Oct 21 06:29:52 2004 From: archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl (Patrick) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:29:52 +0200 Subject: GDM Login screen change fails Message-ID: <41775760.1000608@poczta.onet.pl> It seems that System Settings > Login Screen change doesn't work (I noticed that in FC2 as well). After changing the login screen and logging out, I'm back to default screen. Why is it not working and do I have to go to gdm conf file to change it? Patrick From fedora at nodata.co.uk Thu Oct 21 07:41:05 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:41:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: GDM Login screen change fails In-Reply-To: <41775760.1000608@poczta.onet.pl> References: <41775760.1000608@poczta.onet.pl> Message-ID: <62656.213.164.3.90.1098344465.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Works for me. > It seems that System Settings > Login Screen change doesn't work (I > noticed that in FC2 as well). After changing the login screen and > logging out, I'm back to default screen. Why is it not working and do I > have to go to gdm conf file to change it? > > Patrick > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From makotoo2 at mac.com Thu Oct 21 08:12:05 2004 From: makotoo2 at mac.com (Makoto Otsu) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:12:05 +0900 Subject: GDM Login screen change fails In-Reply-To: <62656.213.164.3.90.1098344465.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <41775760.1000608@poczta.onet.pl> <62656.213.164.3.90.1098344465.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: On 2004/10/21, at 16:41, nodata wrote: > Works for me. > >> It seems that System Settings > Login Screen change doesn't work (I >> noticed that in FC2 as well). After changing the login screen and >> logging out, I'm back to default screen. Why is it not working and do >> I >> have to go to gdm conf file to change it? >> >> Patrick >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >> > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 08:41:36 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:41:36 +0200 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41777640.7050702@redhat.com> Glen Staufer wrote: > I'm seeing the same thing. The udev errors are consistent on every > boot. The yum errors come and go - most times running yum again > succeeds without these errors. I've always figured they were due to a > timeout trying to read a resource over the net. > > Glenn how about mkinitrd after updating to udev-039 From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 09:01:36 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:01:36 +0200 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> Message-ID: <41777AF0.2030403@redhat.com> Amitabha Roy wrote: > Does udev manage the display adapters as well ? So it could be a udev > problem as well. Do not blame udev for _everything_ !!! It only creates device nodes! From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 09:03:23 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:03:23 +0200 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41777B5B.8070905@redhat.com> Joakim Arnling wrote: > Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. > Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? No, this time it's udev... Please update to udev-039. From arnling at kth.se Thu Oct 21 09:27:16 2004 From: arnling at kth.se (Joakim Arnling) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:27:16 +0200 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 References: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41777B5B.8070905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <003601c4b750$27bab270$08fbed82@IT01JARD800> Had somewhat similar problems with udev-038 (couldn't load firmware), but this problem is with udev-039. (also tested with hal-0.4.0-4 and 2.6.8 kernel) [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev hal-0.4.0-5 udev-039-3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Hoyer" To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: latest rawhide and ipw2200 > Joakim Arnling wrote: >> Could not get my ipw2200 running after upgrading to the latest rawhide. >> Anyone else with the same problem? Could it be the "hal" ? > > No, this time it's udev... Please update to udev-039. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 09:40:33 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:40:33 +0200 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: <003601c4b750$27bab270$08fbed82@IT01JARD800> References: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41777B5B.8070905@redhat.com> <003601c4b750$27bab270$08fbed82@IT01JARD800> Message-ID: <41778411.40301@redhat.com> Joakim Arnling wrote: > Had somewhat similar problems with udev-038 (couldn't load firmware), > but this problem is with udev-039. (also tested with hal-0.4.0-4 and > 2.6.8 kernel) > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev > hal-0.4.0-5 > udev-039-3 oops, sorry.. /me needs to read the reports more carefully.. what about downgrading udev to 032 or so? Does that help? From mikedl at comcast.net Thu Oct 21 09:40:57 2004 From: mikedl at comcast.net (Mike) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:40:57 -0400 Subject: SATA install issue? In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a004102020456b1bd87b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410202222.56141.mikedl@comcast.net> <9f50a7a004102020456b1bd87b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410210540.57042.mikedl@comcast.net> On Wednesday 20 October 2004 23:45, Jerone Young wrote: > I have the same board and I have no problems. I have Win2000 installed > and grub installes fine. Are you running any type of norton tools > under XP that could be replacing the MBR ? No, it's a vanilla install as far as I know (new machine, and I only booted into it once). Do you have two drives on the same sata port? I found a discussion on another list where someone said that arrangement wouldn't work, and you had to put two drives on separate ports. From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 10:26:04 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:26:04 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41778EBC.5050206@redhat.com> Elliot Lee wrote: > As of today, almost everything is frozen rock solid for FC3 - the only > changes that should be going in from this point are fixes for > showstopper(*) bugs, and kernel bug fixes. > > Because a good amount of kernel work for FC3 happened after the FC3test3 > release, the release of the final FC3 has been delayed to November 8. The > extra time will be used only to give extra attention to the kernel, and to > find any showstopper bugs in other parts of the distribution. > > Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree > (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). > Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > be. > > Happy bug hunting, > -- Elliot > (*) A showstopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severly > impacts the user's basic ability to install and use the system. > still no .640 ... only .639 ! From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 10:26:06 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:26:06 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <41777AF0.2030403@redhat.com> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <41777AF0.2030403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041021102606.GB27825@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:01:36AM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Amitabha Roy wrote: > >Does udev manage the display adapters as well ? So it could be a udev > >problem as well. > > Do not blame udev for _everything_ !!! It only creates device nodes! Who deletes them then - eg mke2fs is unusable because the device node is deleted when mke2fs closes and re-opens the disk device ? From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 10:31:01 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:31:01 +0200 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <20041021102606.GB27825@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <41777AF0.2030403@redhat.com> <20041021102606.GB27825@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41778FE5.4050209@redhat.com> Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:01:36AM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >>Amitabha Roy wrote: >> >>>Does udev manage the display adapters as well ? So it could be a udev >>>problem as well. >> >>Do not blame udev for _everything_ !!! It only creates device nodes! > > > Who deletes them then - eg mke2fs is unusable because the device node is > deleted when mke2fs closes and re-opens the disk device ? > for which disk device? why does the kernel send a remove hotplug event? From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Oct 21 11:21:42 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:21:42 +0100 Subject: upgrade from Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <1098312358.4086.362.camel@excession.dzr> References: <7051BA7A-22CB-11D9-894C-000A95D9FA7A@bblfish.net> <200410202327.34449.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098312358.4086.362.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <200410211221.42440.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 20 October 2004 23:45, D. D. Brierton wrote: > > It may not be supported, but why shouldn't it work? > > I upgraded from test2 to test3, without problem. > > I think this is the rationale: upgrading from FCn to FCn+1 (i.e. from > one final release to the next final release) is, of course, fine; > upgrading from FCn to FCn+1-testX is fine because it tests the upgrade > process; however, upgrading from any FCn-testX is strongly discouraged > because test releases are by their nature bug-ridden and the upgrade > process is specifically only tested for final release to (proposed) next > final release. If you do the latter your machine may end up in some kind > of borked state, which you will likely report to the list and on > bugzilla and no one will really be able to determine if your problems > are genuine ones which may potentially affect non-test-release users or > whether they were specifically caused by your upgrading from a test > release to a final release. Of course there is nothing to stop you doing > what you proposed, but if things don't work out right then please don't > post about them or buzilla them before trying to reproduce them on a > clean install or supported upgrade. I don't really understand this. Won't the rpm's making up FC3 all have version number greater then or equal to the version numbser in FC3-test3 ? And doesn't that mean the FC3 rpm will be installed, if it is different? In any case, I wasn't saying that it was a wise or ethical thing to do. I'm just saying that it seems to me very likely to work. Incidentally, my experience is that clean installations frequently do not work on one or more of my little collection of computers. A couple of these have no CD or floppy drive, so I am in a mess if an installation does not work. (I normally install from the hard disk, after downloading by WiFi.) If I upgrade, I have all the old kernels to try. I'd go so far as to say that the kernels packaged with Redhat/Fedora have steadily become less likely to work, in my experience. None of the kernels have worked either on a SCSI only machine or on Sony Picturebooks since Redhat-8.0, -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Oct 21 11:23:29 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:23:29 +0100 Subject: What is the purpose of the Rescue CD? Message-ID: <200410211223.30166.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> What exactly is the function of the Rescue CD provided with FC3-test3? Can't one run the first CD in rescue mode? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From alor at taipang.com Thu Oct 21 11:33:59 2004 From: alor at taipang.com (Alor) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:33:59 +0600 Subject: while installing nVidia on kernel 2.6.9-1.639 FC3 warning about rivafb module In-Reply-To: <41778EBC.5050206@redhat.com> References: <41778EBC.5050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45313312.20041021173359@taipang.com> While installing nVidia driver 6111 on FC3 test 3 with kernel 2.6.9-1.639 I get message: WARNING: Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support as a loadable kernel module. After installing and setup in xorg.conf nvidia the system is not booting. After replacing nvidia by nv in xorg.conf is OK. but not nvidia driver. What is rivafb and how can I it disabled? Best regards Alor From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Oct 21 11:32:01 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:32:01 +0100 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <200410211232.02147.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Wednesday 20 October 2004 14:15, William Hooper wrote: > To quote the FC1 release notes: > > To enable laptop mode, issue the following command: > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode > > To disable laptop mode, issue the following command: > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode I'm sure this works, but I followed the instructions in laptop-mode.txt (in the kernel source Documentation or in the laptop-mode tarball) and laptop mode seemed to be switched off and on correctely when running on AC adaptor or battery. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From pnasrat at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 11:39:42 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:39:42 +0100 Subject: Cannot write to /etc/samba/smb.conf. Program will now exit. In-Reply-To: <1098285089.15566.3.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <20041020144959.2281.qmail@web86504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <1098285089.15566.3.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098358782.4744.10.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 17:11 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 15:49 +0100, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > > Yes it fixes the problem OK but you still get all > > these warning messages when run from the terminal. > > > > /usr/share/system-config-samba/mainWindow.py:113: > > DeprecationWarning: use gtk.UIManager > These DeprecationWarnings can only be fixed through a complete revamp of > themenu/toolbar code which -- to put icing on the cake -- breaks i18n. In case anyone is interested this is the same for system-logviewer, I fixed the deprecations that wouldn't break string freeze, but moving from paths to xml post string freeze wasn't going to happen. > messages only tell you (well, me) that a deprecated widget is used > and the things should be converted to use the new interfaces. I'll > tackle that sometime after FC3 is out. Ditto. Paul From pnasrat at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 11:43:23 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:43:23 +0100 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 In-Reply-To: <20041021001306.GO17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> <20041021001306.GO17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1098359003.4744.13.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 20:13 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > > Today, I just upgraded from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core 3t3. I have a > > Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop. After the installation, I noticed that there is > > support for the Synaptics Touchpad but I am not sure how to configure it. > > Try this: > Update rhpl and system-config-display to latest in rawhide first, but essentially yes this should work: > system-config-display --reconfig Are you 100% sure it's a synaptics touchpad? There are also ALPS touchpads which aren't supported atm (requires a patch to kernel. Cat /proc/bus/input/devices - if it doesn't say synaptics in there you don't have a synaptics touchpad (assuming you haven't played with psmouse.proto) Paul From pknirsch at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 17:47:04 2004 From: pknirsch at redhat.com (Phil Knirsch) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:47:04 -0400 Subject: sit0 device and SNMP In-Reply-To: <4176A5A0.1060802@email.si> References: <4176A5A0.1060802@email.si> Message-ID: <4177F618.5090808@redhat.com> b r u ma wrote: > hi, > > This is question for Fedora 1, not sure if this is right list, but any > way ... > > When I run > $ snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost ifDescr > > i get this: > IF-MIB::ifDescr.1 = STRING: lo > IF-MIB::ifDescr.2 = STRING: eth0 > IF-MIB::ifDescr.3 = STRING: eth1 > IF-MIB::ifDescr.4 = STRING: eth2 > IF-MIB::ifDescr.5 = STRING: ppp0 > IF-MIB::ifDescr.6 = STRING: sit0 > > but sometimes after reboot, ppp0 and sit0 device change order: > ... > IF-MIB::ifDescr.4 = STRING: eth2 > IF-MIB::ifDescr.5 = STRING: sit0 > IF-MIB::ifDescr.6 = STRING: ppp0 > > I use SNMP to monitor traffic (MRTG) on ppp0, because of this switching, > I'm sometimes monitoring wrong data... > > Strange thing is that I never used sit0 device, also $ifconfig don't > list it, so why is there? How do I remove it, or make it fixed? > > regards bruma > I've talked a little with the net-snmp folks and if you look at the mailinglist of the net-snmp-coders-list they are working on fixing this ordering. Don't forget though that adding new devices during the runtime of your system can lead to these kinds of changes, no matter what. Read ya, Phil PS: And yes, i agree, it's very annoying that it does this, but imho MRTG would just need to be a little more intelligent and one should be able to specify a device name instead of a index number for monitoring. So one could argue that it's actually a (design) bug in MRTG. -- Philipp Knirsch | Tel.: +49-711-96437-470 Development | Fax.: +49-711-96437-111 Red Hat GmbH | Email: Phil Knirsch Hauptstaetterstr. 58 | Web: http://www.redhat.de/ D-70178 Stuttgart Motd: You're only jealous cos the little penguins are talking to me. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 12:09:41 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:09:41 -0400 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098337506.19197.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa79104102020593c8dd9d5@mail.gmail.com> <1098337506.19197.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa79104102105095c19e39b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:45:06 -0400, Aaron Gaudio > I guess what I'm asking is: what are you doing to "start vino"? > My expectation is that if I check "Allow other users to view your > desktop" under the Remote Desktop Preferences, vino will automatically > get started... and that is exactly what im doing. -jef From mhaney at interactsys.com Thu Oct 21 12:09:50 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:09:50 -0400 Subject: Strange goings on with Fc3T3 and VMWare Message-ID: <1098360590.2862.7.camel@marius.asheville.interact> I know several people here on this list use VMWare in one form or another. I did the latest updates yesterday (I have T3 running in VMWare 4.5.2 on an XP box) and when I rebooted udev froze. I rebooted several more times and it still hung at starting udev: No biggie, I rebooted again in single mode and it came up fine. I finally rebooted again from single mode and now it is loading just great. What's up with that? Anyone else seen this? -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 08:07:10 up 25 min, 1 user, load average: 1.07, 0.81, 0.47 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone else seen this? > try to boot without "rhgb" in the kernel command line From katzj at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 12:23:11 2004 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:23:11 -0400 Subject: What is the purpose of the Rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <200410211223.30166.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410211223.30166.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098361391.8875.3.camel@bree.local.net> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 12:23 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > What exactly is the function of the Rescue CD provided with FC3-test3? > Can't one run the first CD in rescue mode? Yes, it's just a smaller size so that you can either a) download less or b) burn it to one of the smaller size (physically) CDs Jeremy From jerryw4386 at msn.com Thu Oct 21 12:17:13 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:17:13 -0700 Subject: Is this a bug ????? scratch my head over this to much for sure Message-ID: Hi my name is Jerry I was reading one of the test list i got in my emails witch i read all of them in the hopes i can fix several big problems i have with Fedore . i started using it with core 2 test 2 and i am at core 3 test 3 and still cant get it to work right. the message said {*} A show stopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severely impacts the users basic ability to install and use the system !!! Well i think i have several big bugs I have used all of the Red hat systems from 7.2 to Red hat as 3 and never had none of them not setup my dsl modem right. that did it right. and a few of the other linux os for some reason fedora cant do it . I have worked many hours on these problems with on fix for them. When i try to update it i get to the phase where it start to get the headers and just stops or hangs up. i can use Konqueror for a few minutes up to a hour or so and it hang up my system after i have to restart it with the reset button and do it about five times it crashes and i have to restore it. but one good point with core 3 test 3 it has not gone to the point where i have had to restore it. the system lets me work with it as long as i do not try to go online. Any of the mozilla base browsers will not connect to the internet at all. I have a computer that i built my self it has 512 mb of ram a xp 2200 amd chip on a aopen ak77 pro 133 motherboard and have no problems with it at all. i have three hard drives in it a 40gb at hda for Fedora a 60gb at hdb for Xp home a dvd/cd-r-rw at hdc and a 40gb at hdd for storage. i have not had the the problem of manually setting up my modem so i am at a lose as to what to do with it. so someone with grate wisdom please help me with this so i don't have to junk Fedora i think it would be a grate os if i could use it. i am very envious of the people that can use it with no big big { BUGS} If i need to give more info on my system let me know. enough from me for now. Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com ps my dsl is a Action Tec from qwest phone company it is set to download @ 150. + mgbps it is on a 3com lan card and my external 56k Action Tec dialup modem is not found by Fedora also _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From cylon at streamyx.com Thu Oct 21 11:55:20 2004 From: cylon at streamyx.com (Mazli Alias) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:55:20 +0800 Subject: Release Date Message-ID: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> Correct me if i'm wrong..but has the release date for FC3 been brought forward to 8th Nov. instead of the 1st. and if it is...any reason for such? From mikedl at comcast.net Thu Oct 21 12:56:03 2004 From: mikedl at comcast.net (Mike) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:56:03 -0400 Subject: SATA install issue? In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a004102020456b1bd87b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410202222.56141.mikedl@comcast.net> <9f50a7a004102020456b1bd87b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410210856.03492.mikedl@comcast.net> On Wednesday 20 October 2004 23:45, Jerone Young wrote: > I have the same board and I have no problems. I have Win2000 installed > and grub installes fine. Are you running any type of norton tools > under XP that could be replacing the MBR ? I tried something different this morning and found that SuSE 9.1 installs perfectly, grub and all. From Fred.New at microlink.ee Thu Oct 21 13:03:49 2004 From: Fred.New at microlink.ee (Fred New) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:03:49 +0300 Subject: Release Date Message-ID: <345764DCB65C0C4FACC44529DE273C18616013@eemail1.microlink.lan> 21. oktoober 2004. a. 14:55 Mazli Alias kirjutas > Correct me if i'm wrong..but has the release date for FC3 > been brought forward to 8th Nov. instead of the 1st. And > if it is...any reason for such? The schedule update notice appeared in fedora-test-list within the last 24 hours: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01660.ht ml Fred From spam at tachegroup.com Thu Oct 21 13:15:48 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:15:48 -0400 Subject: Yum Feature In-Reply-To: <1098252073.23460.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: Either the 1 out of X packages, or % overall MBs would be fine. Okay, I will add in the feature request, thanks. on 10/20/2004 2:01 AM, Andrew Farris at fedora at andrewfarris.com wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 01:01 -0400, TGS wrote: >> Hey, I wanted to pass along a feature request, or enhancement. I am not sure >> if you could add in percent a overall complete of the packages that are to >> be downloaded. > > Do you mean something along the lines of: > > Downloading Packages: > gcc-java-3.4.2-6.i386.rpm 100% |=== ========| 1.8 MB 00:07 1/139 > bind-utils-9.2.4-2.i386.r 100% |=== ========| 137 kB 00:01 2/139 > netpbm-progs-10.25-2.i386 100% |==== =======| 1.6 MB 00:08 3/139 > > similar to the actual updating process: > Updating: libgcc 100 % done 1/139 > Updating: redhat-menus 100 % done 2/139 > Updating: redhat-artwork 100 % done 3/139 > > If so, the place to make this request is an enhancement bug filed > against yum in bugzilla.redhat.com, that way the developer can keep > track of it (I'll file that for you if you cannot or prefer not to, just > say so). From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 13:40:57 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:40:57 +0200 Subject: Release Date In-Reply-To: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> References: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> Message-ID: <1098366057.15825.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 19:55 +0800, Mazli Alias wrote: > Correct me if i'm wrong..but has the release date for FC3 been brought > forward to 8th Nov. instead of the 1st. http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ says so, yes. > and if it is...any reason for such? We thought it couldn't hurt to let you people wait for another week. Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) of course it's due to: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01660.html Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From arjanv at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 13:47:38 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:47:38 +0200 Subject: Release Date In-Reply-To: <1098366057.15825.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> <1098366057.15825.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098366458.2810.33.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> > Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) of course it's due to: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01660.html to be fair, huge parts of the rest need the extra testing as well, if not more so than the kernel (since the 2.6.9 kernel has basically been in freeze for the last month upstream, not that much interesting happened in kernel land) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Oct 21 14:06:14 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:06:14 -0600 Subject: kernel 2.6.9-1.640 won't download Message-ID: <4177C256.2010806@xmission.com> Tryed grabbing it from http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ It's there but won't download? What's going on? RaXeT From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Oct 21 14:10:34 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:10:34 -0600 Subject: Did download - ignore last message Message-ID: <4177C35A.2000200@xmission.com> 2.6.9-1.140 received. Sorry, RaXeT From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Thu Oct 21 14:36:20 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:36:20 -0500 Subject: kernel 2.6.9-1.640 won't download In-Reply-To: <4177C256.2010806@xmission.com> References: <4177C256.2010806@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1098369380.10977.35.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 08:06 -0600, maxer1 wrote: > Tryed grabbing it from > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ > It's there but won't download? > What's going on? > > RaXeT I just looked, saw kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.640.i686.rpm, tried to download it and got a 404 error. When I refreshed the page it was gone. If I want to just rebuild the source rpm, what is the syntax? It's: rpmbuild --rebuild --target i686 kernel-2.6.9-1.640.src.rpm right? How do I get an SMP kernel out of it? Thanks Thomas From i.pilcher at comcast.net Thu Oct 21 14:38:33 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:38:33 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elliot Lee wrote: > Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > be. Please take a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=127862 and tell me why I should bother filing bug reports. -- ======================================================================== Ian Pilcher i.pilcher at comcast.net ======================================================================== From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Oct 21 14:54:15 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:54:15 -0600 Subject: FC3 T3 and udev 039-3 Message-ID: <4177CD97.5060703@xmission.com> Should I post a bug for FC3 T3 for udev-039-3? My system log is crammed with the following type messages: Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:39:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11833]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:80:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11827]: removing device node '/dev/vcs4' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:43:28: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:39:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:43:28: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:50:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:54:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:58:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:61:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:71:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11739]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa1' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:74:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:39:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:50:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:77:19: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:43:28: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:54:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11841]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:80:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:50:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:58:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:54:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:61:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:58:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:71:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:61:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:74:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:71:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:77:19: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:74:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:80:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:77:19: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11833]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa4' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11842]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:80:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:39:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:43:28: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:50:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:54:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:58:18: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:61:14: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:71:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:74:16: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:77:19: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11847]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:80:24: unknown key '' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11751]: creating device node '/dev/vcs5' Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11752]: creating device node '/dev/vcs2' Oct 21 08:34:03 maxer udev[11755]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa5' Hundreds of these each boot. Using the latest kernel 2.6.9-1.640 with all the latest dev updates through the 20th. RaXeT From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Oct 21 15:06:06 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:06:06 -0400 Subject: FC2 kernel update? [Re: Release Date] In-Reply-To: <1098366458.2810.33.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> References: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> <1098366057.15825.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098366458.2810.33.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> Message-ID: <20041021150606.GA26348@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 03:47:38PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > to be fair, huge parts of the rest need the extra testing as well, if > not more so than the kernel (since the 2.6.9 kernel has basically been > in freeze for the last month upstream, not that much interesting > happened in kernel land) Should we a expect an update to bring FC2 to the 2.6.9 kernel? (After the FC3 release, perhaps?) Thanks! -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From oliver at firstfloor.org Thu Oct 21 15:09:54 2004 From: oliver at firstfloor.org (oliver frommel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:09:54 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> > > Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree > (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). > Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > be. > After installing this kernel I am unable to compile the Nvidia driver. It worked with 2.6.9-1.639, however. nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE I think I know how to fix it, but you probably should, too, in your tree (export the symbol in arch/i386/mm/init.c in the case of i386?) best Oliver From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:13:33 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:13:33 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 09:38:33AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > Elliot Lee wrote: > >Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > >thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > >be. > > Please take a look at > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=127862 > > and tell me why I should bother filing bug reports. Because the amount of code changed upstream since your last report means this might be fixed. Bugs that get no replies doesn't mean no-one is listening.[*] Dave [*] Though I'll admit my recent bugzilla activity has dropped to almost nil due to my relocation from .uk->.us. It'll pick up again soon. From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:14:45 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:14:45 +0200 Subject: Release Date In-Reply-To: <1098366458.2810.33.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> References: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> <1098366057.15825.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098366458.2810.33.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> Message-ID: <1098371685.15825.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:47 +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) of course it's due to: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01660.html > > to be fair, huge parts of the rest need the extra testing as well, if > not more so than the kernel (since the 2.6.9 kernel has basically been > in freeze for the last month upstream, not that much interesting > happened in kernel land) Bummer, I didn't want to give the impression that it's only due to testing the kernel, rather "there needs some more testing to be done". Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:15:04 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:15:04 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> References: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <20041021151504.GE26170@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 05:09:54PM +0200, oliver frommel wrote: > After installing this kernel I am unable to compile the > Nvidia driver. It worked with 2.6.9-1.639, however. > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > I think I know how to fix it, but you probably should, too, > in your tree (export the symbol in arch/i386/mm/init.c > in the case of i386?) No. It's a vm internal symbol that no driver has any right to be touching. NVIDIA also agreed to this publically on linux-kernel, along with a patch to fix it in their driver iirc. this symbol absolutely will not be exported. Dave From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:18:16 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:18:16 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> References: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <1098371896.15825.34.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 17:09 +0200, oliver frommel wrote: > > > > Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree > > (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). > > Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > > thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > > be. > > > > After installing this kernel I am unable to compile the > Nvidia driver. It worked with 2.6.9-1.639, however. > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > I think I know how to fix it, but you probably should, too, > in your tree (export the symbol in arch/i386/mm/init.c > in the case of i386?) This symbol vanished between -1.541 and -1.610 and it was done on purpose ;-). Nvidia should fix their drivers (which they undoubtedly will do once FC3 is out), I run the livna.org packages here which have a small workaround for the symbol missing. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From oliver at firstfloor.org Thu Oct 21 15:20:17 2004 From: oliver at firstfloor.org (oliver frommel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:20:17 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021151504.GE26170@redhat.com> References: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> <20041021151504.GE26170@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> > > > After installing this kernel I am unable to compile the > > Nvidia driver. It worked with 2.6.9-1.639, however. > > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > I think I know how to fix it, but you probably should, too, > > in your tree (export the symbol in arch/i386/mm/init.c > > in the case of i386?) > > No. It's a vm internal symbol that no driver has any > right to be touching. NVIDIA also agreed to this publically > on linux-kernel, along with a patch to fix it in their > driver iirc. > great, so in the meantime you will prompt your end users to find said patch on the internet and apply it to the official nvidia driver? Oliver From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 21 15:22:09 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:22:09 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> > > Because the amount of code changed upstream since your > last report means this might be fixed. > > Bugs that get no replies doesn't mean no-one is listening.[*] Doesn't _necessarily_ mean no one is listening. But it could :) -sv From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:25:09 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:25:09 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> References: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> <20041021151504.GE26170@redhat.com> <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <20041021152509.GG26170@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 05:20:17PM +0200, oliver frommel wrote: > > No. It's a vm internal symbol that no driver has any > > right to be touching. NVIDIA also agreed to this publically > > on linux-kernel, along with a patch to fix it in their > > driver iirc. > > great, so in the meantime you will prompt your end users > to find said patch on the internet and apply it to the > official nvidia driver? bug NVIDIA, it's their problem, and their motivation to put out updated drivers. If you use unsupported third-party drivers, you get just that. _unsupported_ _third party_ drivers. There's nothing we can do to fix this when they break. Dave From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:31:19 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:31:19 +0200 Subject: kernel 2.6.9-1.640 won't download In-Reply-To: <1098369380.10977.35.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <4177C256.2010806@xmission.com> <1098369380.10977.35.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <4177D647.4030607@redhat.com> Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 08:06 -0600, maxer1 wrote: > >>Tryed grabbing it from >>http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ >>It's there but won't download? >>What's going on? >> >>RaXeT > > > I just looked, saw kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.640.i686.rpm, tried to download it > and got a 404 error. When I refreshed the page it was gone. > > If I want to just rebuild the source rpm, what is the syntax? > > It's: > > rpmbuild --rebuild --target i686 kernel-2.6.9-1.640.src.rpm > > right? How do I get an SMP kernel out of it? > > Thanks > Thomas > try ftp ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:32:40 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:32:40 +0200 Subject: FC3 T3 and udev 039-3 In-Reply-To: <4177CD97.5060703@xmission.com> References: <4177CD97.5060703@xmission.com> Message-ID: <4177D698.3050106@redhat.com> file a bugzilla with your /etc/udev/udev.conf attached, please maxer1 wrote: > Should I post a bug for FC3 T3 for udev-039-3? My system log is crammed > with the following type messages: > > Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udevinfo[11836]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:39:24: > unknown key '' > Oct 21 08:34:03 raxet udev[11833]: /etc/udev/udev.conf:80:24: unknown > key '' From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:35:32 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:35:32 +0200 Subject: FC3 T3 and udev 039-3 In-Reply-To: <4177CD97.5060703@xmission.com> References: <4177CD97.5060703@xmission.com> Message-ID: <4177D744.2090609@redhat.com> maxer1 wrote: > Should I post a bug for FC3 T3 for udev-039-3? My system log is crammed > with the following type messages: and you really should use the udev.conf, which comes with udev From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 15:41:05 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:41:05 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> References: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> <20041021151504.GE26170@redhat.com> <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <1098373265.15825.42.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 17:20 +0200, oliver frommel wrote: > > > > > After installing this kernel I am unable to compile the > > > Nvidia driver. It worked with 2.6.9-1.639, however. > > > > > > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE > > > > > > I think I know how to fix it, but you probably should, too, > > > in your tree (export the symbol in arch/i386/mm/init.c > > > in the case of i386?) > > > > No. It's a vm internal symbol that no driver has any > > right to be touching. NVIDIA also agreed to this publically > > on linux-kernel, along with a patch to fix it in their > > driver iirc. > > > > great, so in the meantime you will prompt your end users > to find said patch on the internet and apply it to the > official nvidia driver? You should be using the livna.org RPMs anyway (which have a workaround/fix/whatever) because this means that the driver can be cleanly installed along the libraries etc. that came with the OS. You can also build binaries that need GL that actually run on systems without the Nvidia libraries. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Oct 21 15:54:37 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:54:37 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> References: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> <20041021151504.GE26170@redhat.com> <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> Message-ID: <1098374077.8649.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 21 octobre 2004 ? 17:20 +0200, oliver frommel a ?crit : > > great, so in the meantime you will prompt your end users > to find said patch on the internet and apply it to the > official nvidia driver? > Linux evolution have not to depend on proprietary NVidia driver. Linux is _free(dom)_. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Oct 21 16:02:11 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:02:11 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041021160211.GA28594@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:13:33AM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > Because the amount of code changed upstream since your > last report means this might be fixed. > Bugs that get no replies doesn't mean no-one is listening.[*] It'd be nice if Red Hat would have someone whose job was to be a Bugzilla Monkey, to make sure people feel like their reports are valued, to do triage, and to make sure critical problems don't escape notice. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 16:07:15 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:07:15 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021160211.GA28594@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <20041021160211.GA28594@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041021160715.GN26170@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:02:11PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:13:33AM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > Because the amount of code changed upstream since your > > last report means this might be fixed. > > Bugs that get no replies doesn't mean no-one is listening.[*] > > It'd be nice if Red Hat would have someone whose job was to be a Bugzilla > Monkey, to make sure people feel like their reports are valued, to > do triage, and to make sure critical problems don't escape notice. There are a number of problems. 1) the sheer volume of bug reports mean that its probably going to need >1 person doing triage work 2) a lot of bugs require context of what changed recently (which means unless the triager is also doing some of the work, they won't know) Dave From mattdm at mattdm.org Thu Oct 21 16:06:28 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:06:28 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021152509.GG26170@redhat.com> References: <20041021150954.GA16162@firstfloor.org> <20041021151504.GE26170@redhat.com> <20041021152017.GB16162@firstfloor.org> <20041021152509.GG26170@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041021160628.GA28804@jadzia.bu.edu> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:25:09AM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > If you use unsupported third-party drivers, you get just > that. _unsupported_ _third party_ drivers. There's > nothing we can do to fix this when they break. Unsupported third party drivers which are apparently trying to do nasty unclean stuff, even. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 16:36:35 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:36:35 -0400 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> Message-ID: <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:22 +0900, Makoto Otsu wrote: > Apache configtest not work > > The following commands display nothing. > > # service httpd configtest > > or > > # httpd -t Right - this is a consequence of the SELinux policy for Apache. We do not want the httpd process to have access to your terminal. If it did, a compromised or buggy httpd process could do very bad things. The fix is to break the config-testing bit into its own binary. We could have a wrapper around /usr/sbin/httpd which would parse arguments, and exec /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest if the -t option is passed, otherwise we exec /usr/sbin/httpd.real. From Fulko.Hew at sita.aero Thu Oct 21 17:11:17 2004 From: Fulko.Hew at sita.aero (Fulko.Hew at sita.aero) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:11:17 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed Message-ID: Dave Jones @redhat.com on 10/21/2004 12:07:15 PM commented: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:02:11PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:13:33AM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > > Because the amount of code changed upstream since your > > > last report means this might be fixed. > > > Bugs that get no replies doesn't mean no-one is listening.[*] > > > > It'd be nice if Red Hat would have someone whose job was to be a Bugzilla > > Monkey, to make sure people feel like their reports are valued, to > > do triage, and to make sure critical problems don't escape notice. > > There are a number of problems. 1) the sheer volume of bug reports > mean that its probably going to need >1 person doing triage work > 2) a lot of bugs require context of what changed recently > (which means unless the triager is also doing some of the work, > they won't know) Ahhh... yeah... Isn't that the whole point for having Bugzilla?... To track the bugs and the fixes. I didn't think it was intended to be 'black hole' for testers. It must also be used by the developers... and the feedback loop needs to be closed. From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Oct 21 16:46:07 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:46:07 -0600 Subject: bug #136678 for udev posted Message-ID: <4177E7CF.60702@xmission.com> See bugzilla for 136678. RaXeT From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 16:48:50 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:48:50 -0600 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <41777AF0.2030403@redhat.com> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <41777AF0.2030403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098377330.12661.35.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 11:01 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Do not blame udev for _everything_ !!! It only creates device nodes! > Really? Then who deletes the /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 nodes when I disconnect my Palm, then? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Thu Oct 21 16:52:10 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:52:10 -0400 Subject: latest xorg update problems Message-ID: I just finished updating two computers with the final pre-release patches for FC3-T3 The single process P3 was updated using yum and is running OK. However, I also updated a dual xeon from FC3-Test1 to FC3-Test3 using the iso disks, and then copied all of the rpm files to a cd from the single processor machine and used them to update the dual -xeon which is not connected to the network. The dual xeon update went smoothly until I updated all the xorg X windows files to version 6.8.1-10 After that X refused to run and issued a signal 11 error. I tried both the nvidia driver and the nv driver , but X would not run with either video drivers. Finally I used rpm -ivh --force to re-install the xorg version 6.8.1-8 which was released about a week earlier. After the older version of X was installed , the system started to work again. I am upgrading a third single process system now and will find out if it has the same problem. From jdennis at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 17:00:29 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:00:29 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098378029.10799.1318.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> >>> It'd be nice if Red Hat would have someone whose job was to be a >>> Bugzilla Monkey >> There are a number of problems.... > Ahhh... yeah... > Isn't that the whole point for having Bugzilla?... > To track the bugs and the fixes. > > I didn't think it was intended to be 'black hole' for testers. > It must also be used by the developers... > and the feedback loop needs to be closed. You're absolutely right. I think its well understood we could do a better job of bug triage and feedback, it often comes up in internal discussions. If we could only clone ourselves a few times ;-) Your concerns are heard. As we progress to more community access in Fedora (its happening!) it will hopefully allow a greater distribution of resources to bear on the issue and a commencement improvement. -- John Dennis From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 17:09:39 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:09:39 +0200 Subject: Latest rawhide update makes X server startup impossible In-Reply-To: <1098377330.12661.35.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <4176915B.6010902@bc.edu> <41777AF0.2030403@redhat.com> <1098377330.12661.35.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <4177ED53.4070104@redhat.com> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 11:01 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >>Do not blame udev for _everything_ !!! It only creates device nodes! >> > > > Really? Then who deletes the /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 nodes when I > disconnect my Palm, then? > > Cheers, > > okok, and removes them on KERNEL hotplug remove events... From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 17:10:58 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:10:58 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021160211.GA28594@jadzia.bu.edu> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <20041021160211.GA28594@jadzia.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20041021171058.GB23612@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:02:11PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > It'd be nice if Red Hat would have someone whose job was to be a Bugzilla > Monkey, to make sure people feel like their reports are valued, to > do triage, and to make sure critical problems don't escape notice. Some of us internally have been lobbying for this kind of setup too 8) It does get done for RHEL but not currently Fedora From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Oct 21 17:16:02 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:16:02 +0200 Subject: latest xorg update problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098378962.8649.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 21 octobre 2004 ? 12:52 -0400, Nave, Ronald a ?crit : > I just finished updating two computers with the final pre-release patches > for FC3-T3 > > The single process P3 was updated using yum and is running OK. > > However, I also updated a dual xeon from FC3-Test1 to FC3-Test3 using the > iso disks, > > and then copied all of the rpm files to a cd from the single processor > machine and used them > to update the dual -xeon which is not connected to the network. > > The dual xeon update went smoothly until I updated all the xorg X windows > files > to version 6.8.1-10 > Get the new 6.8.1-12 in rawhide. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You _do not_ want to be running 2.6.9 right now 8) It's got a few nasties that need squashing first. From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Thu Oct 21 17:20:12 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:20:12 -0400 Subject: update from FC1 to FC3-Test3 failed Message-ID: I attempted to upgrade a Fedora core 1 system to FC3-test3 using the ISO install disks. apparently Anaconda failed and then rebooted the computer part way into the install process. Apparently nothing was actually installed since the system rebooted and Fedora Core 1 came back up. It looks like it will be necessary to do a full format to get from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora Core 3. From bwheadley at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 17:26:53 2004 From: bwheadley at earthlink.net (Bryan W. Headley) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:26:53 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098378029.10799.1318.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098378029.10799.1318.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4177F15D.5050905@earthlink.net> John Dennis wrote: > >You're absolutely right. I think its well understood we could do a >better job of bug triage and feedback, it often comes up in internal >discussions. If we could only clone ourselves a few times ;-) Your >concerns are heard. As we progress to more community access in Fedora >(its happening!) it will hopefully allow a greater distribution of >resources to bear on the issue and a commencement improvement. > > It's a matter of how Bugzilla is integrated into the process. I've seen BZ entries used to keep a conversation going between one-to-many bug wranglers, which IMHO isn't too useful (nor is everything put into the DB as artifacts hardly anything deserving of persistence) A way to do this is to have a mapping between a Bugzilla report and a thread on the mailing list. The one allows for artifact gathering/reporting, the other is more ameniable to casual use, aggregation by thread, etc. Maybe a way of dealing with it is to have entry of reports/followup notices to be posted to the mailing list under the bug #/description's thread. Then, on a weekly or whatever basis, have the mailing lists' summary of message (by thread) entered as an artifact into Bugzilla. You obviously want it such that the user of one tool knows what's been done/discussed by users of the other tool (e.g., Bugzilla versus mail client) From diahron at earthlink.net Thu Oct 21 17:41:28 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:41:28 -0500 Subject: Up2date/Yum - Information. Message-ID: <4177F4C8.3080104@earthlink.net> Excuse the denseness about the use of up2date and/or yum but I need to know a few things that will help me and perhaps others. (coming from the other side of the tracks.) 1. Where, if there are, information on the setup, use and understanding of up2date/yum settings? 2. When doing an update/install, do not the system create backups that you can revert to in case of crashes? If so, where would they be? 3. Is it possible to delete header files on standalone system and have it to auto-recreate itself? I've looked at Fedora-Us site, which have information on yum and the others, however, the info only covers up to FC2. Is it just a matter of sub'ng FC2 with FC3? Anything can be figured out in time, but I really hate trying to reinvent the wheel when the instructions just feel out the box behind me. From jdennis at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 17:41:56 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:41:56 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <4177F15D.5050905@earthlink.net> References: <1098378029.10799.1318.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <4177F15D.5050905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098380516.10799.1372.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:26, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > A way to do this is to have a mapping between a Bugzilla report and a > thread on the mailing list. You raise a valid point and to a degree it illustrates two competing approaches to bugs, each camp has their adherents: email vs. central bug database. Each has their advantages and detriments. Recognizing both styles are valid and that both simultaneously occur suggests a tool that could meld them together would be most welcome. -- John Dennis From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 21 17:46:06 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:46:06 -0400 Subject: Up2date/Yum - Information. In-Reply-To: <4177F4C8.3080104@earthlink.net> References: <4177F4C8.3080104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098380766.19108.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:41, Diahron Grismore wrote: > Excuse the denseness about the use of up2date and/or yum but I need to > know a few things that will help me and perhaps others. (coming from the > other side of the tracks.) > 1. Where, if there are, information on the setup, use and understanding > of up2date/yum settings? man yum and man yum.conf should help you some for yum. > 2. When doing an update/install, do not the system create backups that > you can revert to in case of crashes? If so, where would they be? backups of what? > 3. Is it possible to delete header files on standalone system and have > it to auto-recreate itself? yum clean headers yum clean metadata yum clean cache yum clean packages > I've looked at Fedora-Us site, which have information on yum and the > others, however, the info only covers up to FC2. Is it just a matter of > sub'ng FC2 with FC3? Anything can be figured out in time, but I really > hate trying to reinvent the wheel when the instructions just feel out > the box behind me. it's a little out of date now but this is: http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/ useful. -sv From archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl Thu Oct 21 17:47:25 2004 From: archer1974 at poczta.onet.pl (Patrick) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:47:25 +0200 Subject: GDM Login screen change fails In-Reply-To: References: <41775760.1000608@poczta.onet.pl> <62656.213.164.3.90.1098344465.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <4177F62D.3080604@poczta.onet.pl> Makoto Otsu wrote: > > On 2004/10/21, at 16:41, nodata wrote: > >> Works for me. >> >>> It seems that System Settings > Login Screen change doesn't work (I >>> noticed that in FC2 as well). After changing the login screen and >>> logging out, I'm back to default screen. Why is it not working and do I >>> have to go to gdm conf file to change it? >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> -- >>> fedora-test-list mailing list >>> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >>> To unsubscribe: >>> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list >>> >> >> -- >> fedora-test-list mailing list >> fedora-test-list at redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: >> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > I had to do it manually in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf file, otherwise changes from GUI had no effect From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 17:52:38 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:52:38 -0600 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 11:22 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > Doesn't _necessarily_ mean no one is listening. > > But it could :) > Correct. And to those with very little involvement in this community, it's disheartening to put in the work to report something and then feel that the report is ignored. Perception *is* reality in these cases, where you have essentially two communities: the programmers and the users. The users have to feel like their input is useful and actually used, lest they quit offering it. I'm not all that thrilled with Bugzilla myself, to tell you the truth. Bug #125587 is an example [1], filed on June 8th, with a few comments added in for good measure, and *nothing* done about it so far. IPv6 still loads and the system does not obey "NETWORKING_IPV6=no" as it should. Granted, that was the first bug I filed and I might have done better... but it was/is a legitimate problem and it bothered me that absolutely nothing was done about it. Or it sure looked that way. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125587 Now, it so happens that I fully understand that you guys don't have all the time/resources/people/money you might like and that you're doing the best you can. I also respect what "the best you can" has produced so far.* So I will keep learning and attempting to contribute, and I will file more bugs and get more involved. This is not a complaint, it is constructive criticism. But that does not mean everyone else will. * With the single exception of the mailing-list archives which are an embarrassment to archives everywhere. Those just suck, truly and terribly, and they have absolutely no redeeming virtues whatsoever. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From b.akins at verizon.net Thu Oct 21 17:54:59 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:54:59 -0400 Subject: Yum package option Message-ID: <200410211355.00248.b.akins@verizon.net> What happened to "yum check" to check for dependencies/broken packages. I ran apt/synaptic and it said I had 2 broken packages which are librsvg2 and libwmf From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 17:56:06 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:56:06 -0600 Subject: Yum/Up2Date - No more updates In-Reply-To: <417748FB.3090804@earthlink.net> References: <417748FB.3090804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098381366.12661.52.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 00:28 -0500, Diahron Grismore wrote: > I updated: up2date-gnome, up2date and yum [...] > > ok, what all did I hose doing this? and what do I need to do to repair > it. You didn't hose anything... the newest up2date points to the FC3 Final repositories which of course are not there yet. Go to /etc/sysconfig/rhn. In that directory you should see a "sources" file and a "sources.rpmsave" file. You need to keep the sources file (perhaps by renaming it to "sources.rpmnew" or "sources.backup" and then "mv sources.rpmsave sources". You should be OK then. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Recognizing both >styles are valid and that both simultaneously occur suggests a tool that >could meld them together would be most welcome. > > The biggest problem you would have are mail on topics that don't correspond to Bugzilla. So would need something to move non-matching subjects to a general subject, or another mailing list. Or something that replies to sender, "thanks, but either add to an existing BZ report or make a new report, and we'll chat" From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 17:58:47 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:58:47 -0600 Subject: FC2 kernel update? [Re: Release Date] In-Reply-To: <20041021171605.GA29582@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> <1098366057.15825.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098366458.2810.33.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> <20041021150606.GA26348@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041021171605.GA29582@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098381527.12661.55.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:16 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > You _do not_ want to be running 2.6.9 right now 8) It's got a few nasties that > need squashing first. I hope to God there's a qualifier to that statement somewhere or that the nasties have been swiftly squashed, since my FC3-T2 system is now running a 2.6.9 kernel up2date gave me about 5 minutes ago... Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The qualifier is "remote DoS level but not afaik data corruptors" From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 18:02:46 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:02:46 -0600 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <4177F879.80600@earthlink.net> References: <1098378029.10799.1318.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <4177F15D.5050905@earthlink.net> <1098380516.10799.1372.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <4177F879.80600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098381766.12661.59.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 12:57 -0500, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > John Dennis wrote: > >You raise a valid point and to a degree it illustrates two competing > >approaches to bugs, each camp has their adherents: email vs. central bug > >database. Each has their advantages and detriments. Recognizing both > >styles are valid and that both simultaneously occur suggests a tool that > >could meld them together would be most welcome. Odd thought here: what if each bug in Bugzilla had its own little mailing list? That way any given user could get mail and discuss any given bug on Earth, without having fedora-list (or any other list) inundated with "update" messages. Seems like a logical extension of the current Bugzilla's CC list, no? If database-driven, this could be quite automatic and easily managed, and of course it's all archived. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 18:04:36 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:04:36 -0600 Subject: Incidencia del filtro In-Reply-To: <1098299917.2732.43.camel@kyrre> References: <1098299917.2732.43.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098381876.12661.61.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 21:18 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > What are those? I get them sometimes when posting to this list, and they > are quite annoying... > The antivirus module for some idiot's Exchange Server at cgproy.com. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:07:42 -0600 Subject: Update a Fedora Core 2 to Core 3 test 3 with yum In-Reply-To: <1098299350.2732.32.camel@kyrre> References: <1098298565.2306.1496.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098299350.2732.32.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098382062.12661.63.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 21:09 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Just wait 10 days then final is out. > 18 days. Schedule changed. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I ran > apt/synaptic and it said I had 2 broken packages which are librsvg2 and > libwmf yum check? when did yum have that option? -sv From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 21 18:14:45 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:14:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Yum package option In-Reply-To: <200410211355.00248.b.akins@verizon.net> References: <200410211355.00248.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Olu Akins wrote: > What happened to "yum check" to check for dependencies/broken packages. I ran > apt/synaptic and it said I had 2 broken packages which are librsvg2 and > libwmf Perhaps this is the obsolets issue. Apt looks for obsoletes all the time (and flags them as errors). Yum just processes obsoletes at install time - and only if the obsoletes=1 is enabled (and doesn't nag us later) 'apt-get -f' will process the obsoletes - and delete the obsoleted packages - after which apt will stop complaining. Satish From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 18:15:10 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:15:10 -0600 Subject: FC2 kernel update? [Re: Release Date] In-Reply-To: <20041021180216.GB24328@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4177A3A8.7010105@streamyx.com> <1098366057.15825.7.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098366458.2810.33.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> <20041021150606.GA26348@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041021171605.GA29582@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1098381527.12661.55.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041021180216.GB24328@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098382510.12661.66.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 14:02 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 11:58:47AM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > I hope to God there's a qualifier to that statement somewhere or that > > the nasties have been swiftly squashed, since my FC3-T2 system is now > > running a 2.6.9 kernel up2date gave me about 5 minutes ago... > > The qualifier is "remote DoS level but not afaik data corruptors" > Forgive the ignorance: does that mean that the 2.6.9-1.640 kernel I am now running has a DoS vulnerability? This does not horribly worry me, since my only FC3-T2 box is always behind stable and solid FC2 firewalls, but just to see if I understood you. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From goemon at anime.net Thu Oct 21 18:29:26 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021160715.GN26170@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Dave Jones wrote: > There are a number of problems. 1) the sheer volume of bug reports > mean that its probably going to need >1 person doing triage work > 2) a lot of bugs require context of what changed recently > (which means unless the triager is also doing some of the work, > they won't know) It probably should happen though. There are lots of critical bugs that are _years_ old that havent been touched, or have been forgotten/abandoned. A redhat bugzilla maintainer could (really should) take some load off developers. And a maintainer really should be in contact with developers and be keeping on top of things. -Dan From ngc4013 at cox.net Thu Oct 21 18:32:48 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:32:48 -0400 Subject: FC2 & FC3 SCSI issues Message-ID: <417800D0.7050203@cox.net> I have not resolved my SCSI RAID box problems when running either FC2 or FC3t2 or FC3t3. I have been reading over past messages in the fedora-test-list archives and have not found anything related yet to the problem I am experiencing and am having difficulty resolving. So let me reload my issues here to the list: First off I have multiple RAID boxes originally setup on seperate servers. I now have new servers which I want to put into my network, but due to the problems getting the RAID boxes to load correctly I can't. The problem(s): Originally I had the hard drive ID across all drives in a RAID set to the default linux setting, did not have them configured with 'fd' ID. These RAID boxes work on older installations and two of them work on one server which has the full FC2 install.... I don't know why they work and I can not duplicate the setup on new installs. They do have different motherboards between the two servers. On the latest test server I have FC3 installed, built one new RAID box of 14 drives in a JBOD configuration with software raid5, and added on the second SCSI port another RAID box setup as raid0 from another server. I can make both start up and work by running a script which does what should happen in the boot cycle. If I leave the normal raidtab file in place then all fails and the boot cycle drops into single user mode for repairs to the system. I believe now that this problem could have been overcome by removing the spaces in the raidtab file at the beginning of the 'raid-level' statement. However, following a suggestion from a person here in the fedora-test-list, I changed the drive ID to 'fd' and I started to try using mdadm to mange the RAID which when combined now opens another whole set of problems for me. One RAID box works fine on the Adaptec U320 add on card, two RAID boxes starts the confusion and results in one box not setting up due to the /dev/md1 device file missing. Tried creating the /dev/md1 then setting up the RAID and it all works just fine. Reboot the computer and /dev/md1 is gone. So how is one supposed to fix this type of a problem which basically revolves around the missing /dev/md1, but my impression is that between udev and hotplug this should not have happened. Shouldn't the additional SCSI RAID device being detected have automatically setup the device file needed and connected to it? What needs to happen then if I needed to plug onto three out of four SCSI ports on this box? Currently I believe nothing would happen... it would just not work. Any suggestions?? Sorry for being long winded... Bill From b.akins at verizon.net Thu Oct 21 18:44:58 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:44:58 -0400 Subject: Yum package option In-Reply-To: <1098382261.19108.16.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <200410211355.00248.b.akins@verizon.net> <1098382261.19108.16.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <200410211444.59393.b.akins@verizon.net> On Thursday 21 October 2004 02:11 pm, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:54, Olu Akins wrote: > > What happened to "yum check" to check for dependencies/broken packages. I > > ran apt/synaptic and it said I had 2 broken packages which are librsvg2 > > and libwmf > > yum check? > > when did yum have that option? > > -sv https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-February/003586.html This is what I mean and yum used to have it. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 21 18:46:12 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:46:12 -0400 Subject: Yum package option In-Reply-To: <200410211444.59393.b.akins@verizon.net> References: <200410211355.00248.b.akins@verizon.net> <1098382261.19108.16.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <200410211444.59393.b.akins@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1098384372.17592.2.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 14:44 -0400, Olu Akins wrote: > On Thursday 21 October 2004 02:11 pm, seth vidal wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:54, Olu Akins wrote: > > > What happened to "yum check" to check for dependencies/broken packages. I > > > ran apt/synaptic and it said I had 2 broken packages which are librsvg2 > > > and libwmf > > > > yum check? > > > > when did yum have that option? > > > > -sv > > https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-February/003586.html > > This is what I mean and yum used to have it. no, yum didn't. It was an idea I posted to the list. I didn't implement it. -sv From otaylor at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 18:50:54 2004 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:50:54 -0400 Subject: No debuginfo packages for xorg? In-Reply-To: <200410201825.37858.wes@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> References: <200410201825.37858.wes@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> Message-ID: <1098384654.2931.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 18:25 -0700, Wes Shull wrote: > After the recent brouhaha involving xorg, I was picking the bad builds out > of my copy of rawhide to make sure I didn't accidentally install them. > When I got over to the debug dir, though, I noticed no debuginfo packages > for xorg at all, and looking at my archive, none ever. Anyone know why? > Am I missing something? I'm afraid I'm not fully clueful enough to know > how to check if the symbols have been left in the binaries (which would > preclude the need for debuginfo packages). The basic problem is that X does some non-standard stuff to have "cross-platform" driver modules which doesn't work with the standard debuginfo handling. Because of the way debuginfo packages are generated, this unfortunately prevents debuginfo even for the parts that don't have this sort of problem - like the libraries. We'd certainly like to have a solution here.. it certainly would help *me* a lot in my work to have debuginfo for the X libraries ... but the round tuits have never been sufficiently plentiful. Regards, Owen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How do I remove it, or make it fixed? >> >> regards bruma >> > > I've talked a little with the net-snmp folks and if you look at the > mailinglist of the net-snmp-coders-list they are working on fixing this > ordering. > > Don't forget though that adding new devices during the runtime of your > system can lead to these kinds of changes, no matter what. > > Read ya, Phil > > PS: And yes, i agree, it's very annoying that it does this, but imho > MRTG would just need to be a little more intelligent and one should be > able to specify a device name instead of a index number for monitoring. > So one could argue that it's actually a (design) bug in MRTG. You can config MRTG to query using the IP configured in the interface instead of the index of the interface. See MRTG config manual. Un saludo. Fernando. From awd at DDG.com Thu Oct 21 18:58:48 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:58:48 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> On Oct 21, 2004, at 12:52, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Now, it so happens that I fully understand that you guys don't have all > the time/resources/people/money you might like and that you're doing > the > best you can. I also respect what "the best you can" has produced so > far.* Folks, Let me go on the record of saying that with the old Redhat Network support there was actually a money stream to support the community channel. With the transition to RHEL and the higher annual expense (which provide support services I do not need), I have no choice but to use Fedora or another distribution and not contribute financially to Fedora's/Redhat's success. I would be happy to contribute $50 bucks a year to Fedora to help defray the costs of bandwidth, update server maintenance and bugzilla scanning. Basically, I am getting those things out of Fedora that I used to get out of my RHN subscription but am not paying anything. Basically, Redhat has turned me from a paying ally to a marginally competent tester for Fedora and, due to bandwidth/machinery, a drain on company coffers . I think we both lose. The biggest thing I worry about this state of affairs is that it means that Fedora will eventually fail due to the lack of support funds. Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. 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In-Reply-To: <1098384654.2931.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200410201825.37858.wes@kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu> <1098384654.2931.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041021190709.GE31909@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 02:50:54PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > Because of the way debuginfo packages are generated, this unfortunately > prevents debuginfo even for the parts that don't have this sort of > problem - like the libraries. Well, that's not true. It just means more work in the spec file (one can't use the automatic stuff and has to do the stripping to files by hand and take care of creating the debuginfo package for the files where it can be used). glibc does this by hand too, so it just means willing to add a few lines of shell code into xorg spec file and time to write it/debug it. Jakub From terraformers at gmx.net Thu Oct 21 19:07:38 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:07:38 +0200 Subject: kde 3.3.1 - kmail crashes Message-ID: hi all i encounter crashes with kde3.3.1's kmail from kde.org. when i close kmail (or kontact with embedded kmail) there is a 80/20 chance that it crashes with a sig11. anyone have the same behavior? this is with latest rawhide. cheers lars -- No Software Patents! http://nosoftwarepatents.com From smooge at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 19:09:51 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:09:51 -0600 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090410211209661ed05f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:58:48 -0500, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > On Oct 21, 2004, at 12:52, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > Now, it so happens that I fully understand that you guys don't have all > > the time/resources/people/money you might like and that you're doing > > the > > best you can. I also respect what "the best you can" has produced so > > far.* > > > Folks, > > Let me go on the record of saying that with the old Redhat Network > support there was actually a money stream to support the community > channel. With the transition to RHEL and the higher annual expense Actually the amount of money from RHN at that point would probably only covered the bandwidth charges.. not the colo costs, and definately not the costs of developers/testers. The boxed sets were barely paying for themselves, and the people wanting the extra RHN were on the order of 1 in a hundred (and it was about 1 box sale for every 100 downloads). RH was making profitable money mostly from large support contracts but not at the rate that it could continue "losing" money on RHN/boxsets. -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From bruma at email.si Thu Oct 21 19:10:47 2004 From: bruma at email.si (b r u ma) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:10:47 +0200 Subject: sit0 device and SNMP In-Reply-To: <4177F618.5090808@redhat.com> References: <4176A5A0.1060802@email.si> <4177F618.5090808@redhat.com> Message-ID: <417809B7.3070506@email.si> Phil Knirsch wrote: > b r u ma wrote: > >> hi, >> >> This is question for Fedora 1, not sure if this is right list, but any >> way ... >> >> When I run >> $ snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost ifDescr >> >> i get this: >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.1 = STRING: lo >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.2 = STRING: eth0 >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.3 = STRING: eth1 >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.4 = STRING: eth2 >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.5 = STRING: ppp0 >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.6 = STRING: sit0 >> >> but sometimes after reboot, ppp0 and sit0 device change order: >> ... >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.4 = STRING: eth2 >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.5 = STRING: sit0 >> IF-MIB::ifDescr.6 = STRING: ppp0 >> >> I use SNMP to monitor traffic (MRTG) on ppp0, because of this >> switching, I'm sometimes monitoring wrong data... >> >> Strange thing is that I never used sit0 device, also $ifconfig don't >> list it, so why is there? How do I remove it, or make it fixed? >> >> regards bruma >> > > I've talked a little with the net-snmp folks and if you look at the > mailinglist of the net-snmp-coders-list they are working on fixing this > ordering. > > Don't forget though that adding new devices during the runtime of your > system can lead to these kinds of changes, no matter what. > > Read ya, Phil > > PS: And yes, i agree, it's very annoying that it does this, but imho > MRTG would just need to be a little more intelligent and one should be > able to specify a device name instead of a index number for monitoring. > So one could argue that it's actually a (design) bug in MRTG. > I agree, that would be better to specify device name in MRTG, but I was using same configs on previus system (RedHat 9 on same machine), without any problems ... thanks any way, I think, I would do work around with script at bootup... regards bruma From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Oct 21 19:16:33 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:16:33 -0700 Subject: while installing nVidia on kernel 2.6.9-1.639 FC3 warning about rivafb module In-Reply-To: <45313312.20041021173359@taipang.com> References: <41778EBC.5050206@redhat.com> <45313312.20041021173359@taipang.com> Message-ID: <1098386194.12232.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 17:33 +0600, Alor wrote: > While installing nVidia driver 6111 on FC3 test 3 > with kernel 2.6.9-1.639 I get message: > WARNING: Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support as a > loadable kernel module. This is a warning telling you that the module was compiled, but not necessarily if it is being used. You should be use rivafb even though the kernel supplies it -- it will not interfere unless you deliberately (and knowingly) are using it. (just make sure its not loaded, use lsmod) > After installing and setup in xorg.conf nvidia > the system is not booting. I suggest an installation method at FedoraForum in the post linked below. There are two large issues, installing the glx libraries which my method in this post will show, and then dealing with a bug in the driver which a new kernel change has exposed (it is a bug nvidia will fix.. but you can 'workaround' for now). (here how to install in FC rawhide in a sensible manner) http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=106977&postcount=76 (here how to deal with _VMALLOC_RESERVE being an unknown symbol) Patch nv.c found in the driver sources after you use the --extract-only option, with this patch. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=454467&postcount=3 And a more thorough discussion if you're still needing info. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=38827 > After replacing nvidia by nv in xorg.conf is OK. but not nvidia > driver. You must make sure the module is loading (it will not be until you fix the above problem). After you've patched the driver, make sure the module named 'nvidia' loads, then try X. > What is rivafb and how can I it disabled? see above > Best regards > Alor -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." 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Thanks! > You _do not_ want to be running 2.6.9 right now 8) It's got a few nasties > that need squashing first. Thanks for the heads-up. That's one of several reasons I don't expect a FC2 update immediately... but I still hope one is planned eventually. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From b.akins at verizon.net Thu Oct 21 19:19:15 2004 From: b.akins at verizon.net (Olu Akins) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:19:15 -0400 Subject: Yum package option In-Reply-To: <1098384372.17592.2.camel@binkley> References: <200410211355.00248.b.akins@verizon.net> <200410211444.59393.b.akins@verizon.net> <1098384372.17592.2.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <200410211519.16407.b.akins@verizon.net> On Thursday 21 October 2004 02:46 pm, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 14:44 -0400, Olu Akins wrote: > > On Thursday 21 October 2004 02:11 pm, seth vidal wrote: > > > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:54, Olu Akins wrote: > > > > What happened to "yum check" to check for dependencies/broken > > > > packages. I ran apt/synaptic and it said I had 2 broken packages > > > > which are librsvg2 and libwmf > > > > > > yum check? > > > > > > when did yum have that option? > > > > > > -sv > > > > https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-February/003586.html > > > > This is what I mean and yum used to have it. > > no, yum didn't. It was an idea I posted to the list. > > I didn't implement it. > > -sv I thought yum had that feature like "yum check-install" that checked for dependecies across different repository installed on a pc. It is just that apt is reporting two broken packages -- libwmf and librsvg2 and there is nothing I can do. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Oct 21 19:20:55 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:20:55 +0200 Subject: latest xorg update problems In-Reply-To: <4177FA69.7080305@sbcglobal.net> References: <1098378962.8649.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4177FA69.7080305@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1098386455.8649.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 21 octobre 2004 ? 13:05 -0500, Kirk C Aune a ?crit : > Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > > Get the new 6.8.1-12 in rawhide. > > > And the specific URL for same? I have looked all over the Fedora > download sections and remain stumped. Thank you. Here for example : http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ Or here : http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have looked all over the Fedora > download sections and remain stumped. Thank you. > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 19:24:50 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:24:50 -0600 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090410211209661ed05f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <80d7e4090410211209661ed05f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098386690.12661.89.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:09 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > Actually the amount of money from RHN at that point would probably > only covered the bandwidth charges.. not the colo costs, and > definately not the costs of developers/testers. While I have no doubt that Stephen is correct here, it is still true that Andrew, hundreds of others, and I were all happy to contribute $60 per machine (for X machines each) simply to help Red Hat, Inc. The company has lost that income, and I still use that bandwidth! Red Hat would be well-advised to think of a way for many of us to keep paying them *something*. I had just convinced my company to pony up for three RHN subscriptions when the service died. Yes, I know that boxed sets were not profitable and that RHN income was marginal. But that is the *point*. I, today, am still using stuff (Fedora) that Red Hat, Inc. paid money to develop... just like I did before with RHL. I still use bandwidth, and every time I convince someone to install Linux we use *more* bandwidth. I ***WANT*** to give Red Hat money, but Red Hat must give me a viable excuse to do so. Give me a service or subscription I can justify to my wife and my boss, and you make at least $200-$500 from me this year, instead of $0. But now the only options I have are RHEL and I cannot afford that. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 21 19:23:57 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:23:57 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098386690.12661.89.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <80d7e4090410211209661ed05f@mail.gmail.com> <1098386690.12661.89.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098386637.17592.6.camel@binkley> > While I have no doubt that Stephen is correct here, it is still true > that Andrew, hundreds of others, and I were all happy to contribute $60 > per machine (for X machines each) simply to help Red Hat, Inc. The > company has lost that income, and I still use that bandwidth! > > Red Hat would be well-advised to think of a way for many of us to keep > paying them *something*. I had just convinced my company to pony up for > three RHN subscriptions when the service died. > > Yes, I know that boxed sets were not profitable and that RHN income was > marginal. But that is the *point*. I, today, am still using stuff > (Fedora) that Red Hat, Inc. paid money to develop... just like I did > before with RHL. I still use bandwidth, and every time I convince > someone to install Linux we use *more* bandwidth. > > I ***WANT*** to give Red Hat money, but Red Hat must give me a viable > excuse to do so. Give me a service or subscription I can justify to my > wife and my boss, and you make at least $200-$500 from me this year, > instead of $0. But now the only options I have are RHEL and I cannot > afford that. > Then contribute money to any of the various development mechanisms. Not just red hat. Give money to gnome, to kde, to whomever. Many of these organizations accept donations and others would just accept a check. -sv From jdennis at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 19:31:51 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:31:51 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098387111.10799.1532.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 14:29, Dan Hollis wrote: > A redhat bugzilla maintainer could (really should) take some load > off developers. As Alan said, it has been requested. There is not universal agreement on its efficacy, but the awareness of the issue is quite present and discussions like this help bring focus to it. -- John Dennis From tjb at unh.edu Thu Oct 21 19:37:58 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:37:58 -0400 Subject: FC2 & FC3 SCSI issues In-Reply-To: <417800D0.7050203@cox.net> References: <417800D0.7050203@cox.net> Message-ID: <1098387478.11970.15.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 14:32 -0400, Bill Cronk wrote: > I have not resolved my SCSI RAID box problems when running either FC2 or > FC3t2 or FC3t3. I have been reading over past messages in the > fedora-test-list archives and have not found anything related yet to the > problem I am experiencing and am having difficulty resolving. > > So let me reload my issues here to the list: > > First off I have multiple RAID boxes originally setup on seperate > servers. I now have new servers which I want to put into my network, but > due to the problems getting the RAID boxes to load correctly I can't. > > The problem(s): Originally I had the hard drive ID across all drives in > a RAID set to the default linux setting, did not have them configured > with 'fd' ID. These RAID boxes work on older installations and two of > them work on one server which has the full FC2 install.... I don't know > why they work and I can not duplicate the setup on new installs. They do > have different motherboards between the two servers. > > On the latest test server I have FC3 installed, built one new RAID box > of 14 drives in a JBOD configuration with software raid5, and added on > the second SCSI port another RAID box setup as raid0 from another > server. I can make both start up and work by running a script which does > what should happen in the boot cycle. If I leave the normal raidtab file > in place then all fails and the boot cycle drops into single user mode > for repairs to the system. I believe now that this problem could have > been overcome by removing the spaces in the raidtab file at the > beginning of the 'raid-level' statement. > > However, following a suggestion from a person here in the > fedora-test-list, I changed the drive ID to 'fd' and I started to try > using mdadm to mange the RAID which when combined now opens another > whole set of problems for me. One RAID box works fine on the Adaptec > U320 add on card, two RAID boxes starts the confusion and results in one > box not setting up due to the /dev/md1 device file missing. Tried > creating the /dev/md1 then setting up the RAID and it all works just > fine. Reboot the computer and /dev/md1 is gone. > > So how is one supposed to fix this type of a problem which basically > revolves around the missing /dev/md1, but my impression is that between > udev and hotplug this should not have happened. Shouldn't the additional > SCSI RAID device being detected have automatically setup the device file > needed and connected to it? What needs to happen then if I needed to > plug onto three out of four SCSI ports on this box? Currently I believe > nothing would happen... it would just not work. > > Any suggestions?? > > Sorry for being long winded... > > Bill > > Did you set up the mdadm.conf file and describe all the arrays in it? It's been a while since I set mine up and after converting to the 'fd' partition type, it always just works without needing to configure the mdadm.conf file. I only have one array though. I would guess that if you set up the mdadm.conf file and used mdadm --assemble, possibly in the rc.local file, it might at least pick up the second array. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From chrisw at osdl.org Thu Oct 21 19:44:56 2004 From: chrisw at osdl.org (Chris Wright) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:44:56 -0700 Subject: up2date problem with already installed redhat-artwork In-Reply-To: <41729E18.4040602@speakeasy.net>; from cochranb@speakeasy.net on Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 12:30:16PM -0400 References: <41729E18.4040602@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20041021124456.A7134@build.pdx.osdl.net> * Robert L Cochran (cochranb at speakeasy.net) wrote: > My latest attempt to run up2date is failing consistently with this message: > Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies... > ######################################## > RPM package conflict error. The message was: > Test install failed because of package conflicts: > The following packages were added to your selection to satisfy dependencies: > Name Version Release > -------------------------------------------------------------- > redhat-artwork 0.115 1 > redhat-artwork 0.115 1 > > package redhat-artwork-0.115-1 is already installed You've got redhat-artwork-0.115-1.x86_64 installed, and something is generating a dependency for redhat-artwork-0.115-1.i386. up2date gets confused. thanks, -chris From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Thu Oct 21 20:22:18 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:22:18 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041021222218.34a3534b.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:52:38 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > I'm not all that thrilled with Bugzilla myself, to tell you the truth. > Bug #125587 is an example [1], filed on June 8th, with a few comments > added in for good measure, and *nothing* done about it so far. IPv6 > still loads and the system does not obey "NETWORKING_IPV6=no" as it > should. Granted, that was the first bug I filed and I might have done > better... but it was/is a legitimate problem and it bothered me that > absolutely nothing was done about it. Or it sure looked that way. > > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125587 Hmm, I just booted FC3T3 with NETWORKING=no and NETWORKING_IPV6=no in /etc/sysconfig/network and eth0 was brought up nevertheless (albeit IPv4 only). So, NETWORKING=no doesn't do it's job either. -- Fedora Core release 2.92 (FC3 Test 3) - Linux 2.6.9-1.639 loadavg: 0.49 0.51 0.29 From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 21 20:22:39 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:39 -0400 Subject: today's updates- boot a little slower Message-ID: Booted up my athlon after today's updates OK. One thing, it hangs a few seconds at "starting udev". I believe this was intentional to fix some race conditions. However, adding to the boot time is a step in the wrong direction. I hope it can eventually be improved. From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 20:28:56 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:28:56 -0400 Subject: pam files being created as .rpmnew Message-ID: <1098390537.16636.6.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Has anyone else noticed a lot of files being created as .rpmnew with the latest pam update? I don't recall changing these files... warning: /etc/pam.d/other created as /etc/pam.d/other.rpmnew warning: /etc/security/access.conf created as /etc/security/access.conf.rpmnew warning: /etc/security/chroot.conf created as /etc/security/chroot.conf.rpmnew warning: /etc/security/console.perms created as /etc/security/console.perms.rpmnew warning: /etc/security/group.conf created as /etc/security/group.conf.rpmnew warning: /etc/security/limits.conf created as /etc/security/limits.conf.rpmnew warning: /etc/security/opasswd created as /etc/security/opasswd.rpmnew warning: /etc/security/pam_env.conf created as /etc/security/pam_env.conf.rpmnewwarning: /etc/security/time.conf created as /etc/security/time.conf.rpmnew From davej at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 20:30:28 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:30:28 -0400 Subject: pam files being created as .rpmnew In-Reply-To: <1098390537.16636.6.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098390537.16636.6.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041021203028.GE13078@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 04:28:56PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > Has anyone else noticed a lot of files being created as .rpmnew with the > latest pam update? I don't recall changing these files... > > warning: /etc/pam.d/other created as /etc/pam.d/other.rpmnew > warning: /etc/security/access.conf created as /etc/security/access.conf.rpmnew > warning: /etc/security/chroot.conf created as /etc/security/chroot.conf.rpmnew > warning: /etc/security/console.perms created as /etc/security/console.perms.rpmnew > warning: /etc/security/group.conf created as /etc/security/group.conf.rpmnew > warning: /etc/security/limits.conf created as /etc/security/limits.conf.rpmnew > warning: /etc/security/opasswd created as /etc/security/opasswd.rpmnew > warning: /etc/security/pam_env.conf created as /etc/security/pam_env.conf.rpmnewwarning: /etc/security/time.conf created as /etc/security/time.conf.rpmnew Hmm, I was wondering why up2date had eaten its sources file. Dave From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 20:32:44 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:32:44 -0400 Subject: pam files being created as .rpmnew In-Reply-To: <20041021203028.GE13078@redhat.com> References: <1098390537.16636.6.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041021203028.GE13078@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098390764.16636.8.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 16:30 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > Hmm, I was wondering why up2date had eaten its sources file. Yeah, I just noticed that one too. From gserack at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 20:41:31 2004 From: gserack at gmail.com (Garrett Serack) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:41:31 -0600 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021171058.GB23612@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <20041021160211.GA28594@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041021171058.GB23612@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1f59814104102113417c87a3a4@mail.gmail.com> I'm wondering what kind of volume that there is in the Bugzilla Database. I've got (a few) free cycles, and wouldn't mind doing some of that, and maybe could pitch in on an adhoc/volunteer basis. Either that, or a small cadre of volunteer bug sorters? :) It may not be perfect, but certainly better than nothing? Garrett On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:10:58 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:02:11PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > It'd be nice if Red Hat would have someone whose job was to be a Bugzilla > > Monkey, to make sure people feel like their reports are valued, to > > do triage, and to make sure critical problems don't escape notice. > > Some of us internally have been lobbying for this kind of setup too 8) It > does get done for RHEL but not currently Fedora > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Thu Oct 21 20:45:00 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:45:00 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041021222218.34a3534b.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041021222218.34a3534b.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <20041021224500.178e1a17.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:22:18 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > So, NETWORKING=no doesn't do it's job either. ... _its_ ... From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Oct 21 21:05:39 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:05:39 -0700 Subject: today's updates- boot a little slower In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098392739.6796.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:22, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Booted up my athlon after today's updates OK. One thing, it hangs a few > seconds at "starting udev". I believe this was intentional to fix some > race conditions. However, adding to the boot time is a step in the wrong > direction. I hope it can eventually be improved. Actually it was on the order of half a minute or so on my old K6-2 500 notebook, that was more than just noticeable. I didn't time it precisely but I was starting to wonder if the boot had just hung. Is there any way to find out what udev is waiting for? It would really be nice to speed this up. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Oct 21 21:05:41 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:05:41 +0200 Subject: What is the purpose of the Rescue CD? In-Reply-To: <1098361391.8875.3.camel@bree.local.net> References: <200410211223.30166.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098361391.8875.3.camel@bree.local.net> Message-ID: <1098391973.4125.19.camel@kyrre> Personally i use to burn it on a RW disc, and NFS install the iso's. tor, 21.10.2004 kl. 14.23 skrev Jeremy Katz: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 12:23 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > What exactly is the function of the Rescue CD provided with FC3-test3? > > Can't one run the first CD in rescue mode? > > Yes, it's just a smaller size so that you can either a) download less or > b) burn it to one of the smaller size (physically) CDs > > Jeremy From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Oct 21 21:05:43 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:05:43 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098392566.4125.21.camel@kyrre> Any chance of a FC3-test4? ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 23.45 skrev Elliot Lee: > As of today, almost everything is frozen rock solid for FC3 - the only > changes that should be going in from this point are fixes for > showstopper(*) bugs, and kernel bug fixes. > > Because a good amount of kernel work for FC3 happened after the FC3test3 > release, the release of the final FC3 has been delayed to November 8. The > extra time will be used only to give extra attention to the kernel, and to > find any showstopper bugs in other parts of the distribution. > > Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree > (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). > Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > be. > > Happy bug hunting, > -- Elliot > (*) A showstopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severly > impacts the user's basic ability to install and use the system. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Oct 21 21:05:39 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:05:39 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098381766.12661.59.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098378029.10799.1318.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <4177F15D.5050905@earthlink.net> <1098380516.10799.1372.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <4177F879.80600@earthlink.net> <1098381766.12661.59.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098391893.4125.17.camel@kyrre> What i would like to do, is to be able to ansver directly to those mails i get from bugzilla - instead of having to open the page in a browser etc. - and i would then be added as a comment, as if i had added it from the web interface tor, 21.10.2004 kl. 20.02 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 12:57 -0500, Bryan W. Headley wrote: > > John Dennis wrote: > > >You raise a valid point and to a degree it illustrates two competing > > >approaches to bugs, each camp has their adherents: email vs. central bug > > >database. Each has their advantages and detriments. Recognizing both > > >styles are valid and that both simultaneously occur suggests a tool that > > >could meld them together would be most welcome. > > Odd thought here: what if each bug in Bugzilla had its own little > mailing list? That way any given user could get mail and discuss any > given bug on Earth, without having fedora-list (or any other list) > inundated with "update" messages. Seems like a logical extension of the > current Bugzilla's CC list, no? > > If database-driven, this could be quite automatic and easily managed, > and of course it's all archived. > > Cheers, From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Oct 21 21:05:37 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:05:37 +0200 Subject: Incidencia del filtro In-Reply-To: <1098381876.12661.61.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098299917.2732.43.camel@kyrre> <1098381876.12661.61.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098391436.4125.14.camel@kyrre> tor, 21.10.2004 kl. 20.04 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 21:18 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > What are those? I get them sometimes when posting to this list, and they > > are quite annoying... > > > > The antivirus module for some idiot's Exchange Server at cgproy.com. > > Cheers, That is an idiotic antivirus program indeed. My d**n plaintext mails does not contain any fcki'ng virus! It is just as stupid as the MSN hotmail antivirus which warned that every .sxw document (Open Office writer) was a virus... From sopwith at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 21:11:31 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098392566.4125.21.camel@kyrre> References: <1098392566.4125.21.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Any chance of a FC3-test4? No, but I do plan to have a release candidate tree up soon for people to download. Sort of like "rawhide with .iso's". -- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches. From dmalcolm at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 21:16:54 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:54 -0400 Subject: No fstab entry for /dev/fdo ; Evolution Can't open Mail Files In-Reply-To: <41707647.1070006@speakeasy.net> References: <41707647.1070006@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1098393414.20285.2.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 21:15 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > After the latest round of updates, there is no entry in /etc/fstab for > the floppy drive. > > Also, Evolution "quit unexpectedly" while up2date was installing these > updates and now it us unable to open mail folders. > > Any solutions for fixing Evolution? Is it still broken? What version of the kernel are you running? > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 21:23:58 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:23:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Update: openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2 Message-ID: <1098393838.15369.0.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Subject: Fedora Core 2 Update: openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2004-347 2004-10-21 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 2 Name : openoffice.org Version : 1.1.2 Release : 10.fc2 Summary : OpenOffice.org comprehensive office suite. Description : OpenOffice.org is an Open Source, community-developed, multi-platform office productivity suite. It includes the key desktop applications, such as a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation manager, formula editor and drawing program, with a user interface and feature set similar to other office suites. Sophisticated and flexible, OpenOffice.org also works transparently with a variety of file formats, including Microsoft Office. Usage: Simply type "ooffice" to run OpenOffice.org or select the requested component (Writer, Calc, Draw, Impress, etc.) from your desktop menu. The ooffice wrapper script will install a few files in the user's home, if necessary. The OpenOffice.org team hopes you enjoy working with OpenOffice.org! Note: Non-.vor templates covered under the GPL license. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This update is equivalent to the Fedora Core 3 version of OpenOffice.org. The changes since the previous version of OpenOffice.org in Fedora Core 2 are too numerous to list here, but there are quite a few notable improvements: o Update to 1.1.2 o Include WordPerfect filters (Writer Perfect module by Will L.) o GTK and KDE native widgets and file chooser dialogs o Make openoffice.org no longer depend on -i18n, tag language-specific files with %lang o Print dialog's Properties button now works o #rh134195# (polygon icons reversed in Draw) (Caolan) o #rh122550# (change regexp for gnome-vfs) (Caolan) o #rh134505# (OOo commits preedit strings before the actual commit) o #rh126103# (unable to fall back to indic font in oowriter) o #rh135709# (need 32 bit redhat-artwork installed by default for HelixPlayer and openoffice) o #rh133793# (Bad view of iso-8859-2 fonts in menu & dialogs) o #rh126088# (Arabic fonts are not displayed correctly under ooo) o #rh131660# (openoffice.org-kde contains files owned by bhcompile) o #rh130131# (CAN-2004-0752 temporary file information leakage) o #rh84777# (OpenOffice should provide basic templates) o #rh132074# (calc now improperly imports xls spreadsheets) o #rh129538# (OO Impress crashes when editing text) o #rh129770# (OpenOffice crashes on copying spreadsheet cell) o #rh130734# (oocalc segfaults when saving) o #rh130216# (pt_BR locale not supported in OOo) o #rh129087# (Tabs and buttons in dialogs flicker) o #rh128709# (Syntax error in ooo-1.2 setup script) o #rh129771# (Warnings from ooffice starting up) o #rh130973# (OOo upgrade removes files in user ${HOME}) o #rh132063# (reproducible segfault in oowriter) o #rh131350# (openoffice.org 1.1.x should Obsolete: openoffice.org- style-gnome) o #rh129459# (no german umlauts in staroffice) o #rh129262# (The copy function (Ctrl-C) doesn't work in Calc) o #rh127447# (ooffice hangs when printing to file or exporting to PDF) o #rh129401# (Draw: Using Stylist (no individual styles, cpu load, flickering)) o #rh126791# (Loading templates in OpenOffice.org Writer doesn't work) o #rh126708# (pdf export problem with openoffice.org.i386 0:1.1.0-16) o #rh126371# (openoffice send document as email does not attach document) o #rh126149# (Can't see hebrew fonts in openoffice1.1.1) o #rh124801# (Tab key in save document acts as Enter) o #rh110689# (Unable to launch any OOo components after initial ws install with LANG=et_EE.UTF-8) o #rh116176# (Czech localization is not included) o #rh118508# (Open File Dialog broken) o #rh132863# (Redlining crash in Writer) o #rh123865# (Default font for zh_* locale) o #rh128709# (Syntax in ooo-1.2 setup script) o #rh127474# (i18n package has files with world rwx permissions) o #rh122028# (No norwegian spell-checking in openoffice.org) o #rh121675# (Australian dictionaries incomlete (very easy fix)) o #rh120824# (printer properties button is broken) o #rh124538# (OpenOffice.org does not work properly with a Norwegian keyboard) o #rh123441# (OO.o crashes on startup if certain fonts are present) o #rh120494# (wrong fonts are used on GUI) o #rh123685# (Default font for zh_* locale) o #rh122361# (OOo uses ugly UI font) --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Tue Oct 19 2004 Dan Williams - 1.1.2-10 - #rh134195# polygon icons reversed in Draw (Caolan) - #rh122550# change regexp for gnome-vfs (Caolan) - #rh134505# OOo commits preedit strings before the actual commit - #rh126103# unable to fall back to indic font in oowriter - #rh135709# need 32 bit redhat-artwork installed by default for HelixPlayer and openoffice * Wed Oct 06 2004 Dan Williams - 1.1.2-9 - Better fix for #134505 (OOo commits preedit strings before the actual commit) * Tue Oct 05 2004 Dan Williams - 1.1.2-8 - Add a BuildRequires for compat-gcc-c++ too - Figure out that you need to have openoffice.org-kde package installed to fix #133741 Should fix: 134505 (OOo commits preedit strings before the actual commit) * Fri Oct 01 2004 Dan Williams - 1.1.2-7 - Get BuildRequires right Should fix: 133741 (openoffice.org does not render chars properly in KDE) 133793 (Bad view of iso-8859-2 fonts in menu & dialogs) * Thu Sep 23 2004 Dan Williams - 1.1.2-6 - Really fix the Word Count menu item this time * Mon Sep 20 2004 Dan Williams - 1.1.2-5 - Update to latest ooo-build CVS - Include WordPerfect filters (Writer Perfect module by Will L.) - Have to disable PPC builds for now due to GCC/toolchain bugs with -fPIC in compat-gcc Should fix: 126088 (Arabic fonts are not displayed correctly under ooo) 131660 (openoffice.org-kde contains files owned by bhcompile) 130131 (CAN-2004-0752 temporary file information leakage) 84777 (OpenOffice should provide basic templates) 132074 (calc now improperly imports xls spreadsheets) 129538 (OO Impress crashes when editing text) 129770 (OpenOffice crashes on copying spreadsheet cell) 130734 (oocalc segfaults when saving) 130216 (pt_BR locale not supported in OOo) 129087 (Tabs and buttons in dialogs flicker) 128709 (Syntax error in ooo-1.2 setup script) 129771 (Warnings from ooffice starting up) 130973 (OOo upgrade removes files in user ${HOME}) 132063 (reproducible segfault in oowriter) 131350 (openoffice.org 1.1.x should Obsolete: openoffice.org-style- gnome) 129459 (no german umlauts in staroffice) 129262 (The copy function (Ctrl-C) doesn't work in Calc) 127447 (ooffice hangs when printing to file or exporting to PDF) 129401 (Draw: Using Stylist (no individual styles, cpu load, flickering)) 126791 (Loading templates in OpenOffice.org Writer doesn't work) 126708 (pdf export problem with openoffice.org.i386 0:1.1.0-16) 126371 (openoffice send document as email does not attach document) 126149 (Can't see hebrew fonts in openoffice1.1.1) 124801 (Tab key in save document acts as Enter) 110689 (Unable to launch any OOo components after initial ws install with LANG=et_EE.UTF-8) 116176 (Czech localization is not included) 118508 (Open File Dialog broken) 132863 (Redlining crash in Writer) 123865 (Default font for zh_* locale) * Thu Sep 09 2004 Ray Strode 1.1.2-4 - Run update-desktop-database to register MIME type associations. * Sat Jul 31 2004 Dan Williams 1.1.2-3 - Make openoffice.org no longer depend on -i18n * Fri Jul 30 2004 Dan Williams 1.1.2-2 - Finer grained split of additional language files - Break KDE widget library out into new openoffice.org-kde package - Fix setup script launch errors (RH #128709) - Make PPC use -Os now too * Tue Jul 27 2004 Dan Williams 1.1.2-1 - Force use of gcc 3.3, since gcc 3.4 doesn't work yet - Update to 1.1.2 - Compile with -Os - Fix dictionary permissions (RH #127474) - Apply iiimf-enable patch, disable workaround from 1.1.1-6 (RH #124538) - Tag language-specific files with %lang - Add Norwegian dictionaries (RH #122028) - Temporarily alias Australian hyph->en_GB, thes->en_US (RH #121675) * Tue Jun 15 2004 Elliot Lee - rebuilt * Wed Jun 09 2004 Dan Williams 1.1.1-6 - Enable some ooo-build patch collections for Red Hat builds: VBABits, OOoCups (replacing GnomeCups), NativeWidgets - Fix printer properties dialog (RH #120824) - Work around Input Methods when not typing in complex languages, fixes typing special national characters (RH #124538) * Thu May 20 2004 Dan Williams 1.1.1-5 - Update to ooo-build 1.1.56-pre (CVS snapshot) - Fix more malformed TrueType fonts (RH #123441, OOo #24286) - Fix some UI font issues caused by missing patch in 1.1.1 (120494, 123685, 122361) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/2/ 3fa6c73da834eaa4ca5029390325f818 SRPMS/openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm afe0e9620716c2b092f8926a3cc0db6c x86_64/openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm 1e734b6bf72c795632e5fc99aca2537d x86_64/openoffice.org- libs-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm 8a61d381c7d2f12fed837dd5a5363b65 x86_64/openoffice.org- i18n-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm afe0e9620716c2b092f8926a3cc0db6c i386/openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm 1e734b6bf72c795632e5fc99aca2537d i386/openoffice.org- libs-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm 8a61d381c7d2f12fed837dd5a5363b65 i386/openoffice.org- i18n-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm baf087d7d2a6336f7f6f4722f32ce4fe i386/openoffice.org- kde-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm 2a108df7491a8d11453f23c6c8dfd1ee i386/debug/openoffice.org- debuginfo-1.1.2-10.fc2.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 21:29:52 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:29:52 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: <20041021212952.GA17912@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 01:58:48PM -0500, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > contribute $50 bucks a year to Fedora to help defray the costs of > bandwidth, update server maintenance and bugzilla scanning. Basically, Talk to your local mirror site - or package authors. $50 upstream helps every distro. Alan From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 21:42:01 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:42:01 -0600 Subject: Disk space used by a package? Message-ID: <1098394921.12661.102.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Hey, Is there any way I can find out authoritatively how much space a given package takes up on disk when installed? The "size" parameter in "rpm - qi" is not it, clearly. Perhaps if I run "rpm -ql" and then feed that to some command that counts bytes or inodes? I realize that there will be a rounding error since each file must take up at least one inode on disk, but if I can get inode-level (e.g. 4KB) precision then I'll be very happy indeed. Thanks for any advice, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gvc at ocsystems.com Thu Oct 21 21:31:24 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:31:24 -0400 Subject: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server Message-ID: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> Starting from RH9, upgraded to FC3T2, then FC3T3. I started Up2date, updated the up2date utility itself, then restarted to get the rest of the updates. Then I get: There was a fatal error communicating with the server. The message was: An HTTP error occurred: URL: http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3/headers/header.info Status Code: 404 Error Message: Not Found Do I need to do something manually to get updates working again? --gvc From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 22:00:15 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:00:15 -0600 Subject: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server In-Reply-To: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 17:31 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > An HTTP error occurred: > URL: > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3/headers/header.info > Status Code: 404 > Error Message: Not Found > > Do I need to do something manually to get updates working again? Yes. Notice it's looking for "updates-released-fc3". Since we are so close to release date, they change the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file to point to the locations for FC3. But those are of course not what you want. The RPM transaction should have saved the old sources file as sources.rpmsave. So: # cd /etc/sysconfig/rhn # mv sources sources.rpmnew # mv sources.rpmsave sources And you should be back in business. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fozz at iodynamics.com Thu Oct 21 22:08:59 2004 From: fozz at iodynamics.com (Doran Barton) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:08:59 -0600 Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> <20041020114644.D18036@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20041021220859.GW21064@iodynamics.com> Not long ago, Satish Balay proclaimed... > > It seems that putting a corresponding entry in /etc/sysctl.conf > > would be a healthier practice. > > > > Maybe it should exist in a "virgin" installed sysctl.conf with > > a default value of 0? > > Hmm with APM (on both FC1/FC3rawhide) - the flag gets toggled > automatically whenever the AC cord is connected/disconnected. This, of course, assumes your laptop sanely speaks to APM. *sighs* -- fozz at iodynamics.com is Doran L. Barton, president, Iodynamics LLC Iodynamics: Linux solutions - Web development - Business connectivity "This hotel is renowned for its peace and solitude. In fact, crowds from all over the world flock here to enjoy its solitude." -- Seen in an Italian hotel brochure From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 21 22:14:12 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: laptop mode? In-Reply-To: <20041021220859.GW21064@iodynamics.com> References: <3h87rq$ch89m0@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> <20041020021841.GP22334@redhat.com> <1098241611.4086.297.camel@excession.dzr> <1928.12.29.16.103.1098278110.squirrel@whooper.org> <20041020114644.D18036@mail.harddata.com> <20041021220859.GW21064@iodynamics.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Doran Barton wrote: > Not long ago, Satish Balay proclaimed... > > > It seems that putting a corresponding entry in /etc/sysctl.conf > > > would be a healthier practice. > > > > > > Maybe it should exist in a "virgin" installed sysctl.conf with > > > a default value of 0? > > > > Hmm with APM (on both FC1/FC3rawhide) - the flag gets toggled > > automatically whenever the AC cord is connected/disconnected. > > This, of course, assumes your laptop sanely speaks to APM. *sighs* If the laptop speaks APM at-all - its likely to be more sane than ACPI speak :) (my current one - thinkpad t40 does speak apm - so I don't have to worry about the acpi issues) Satish From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 21 22:20:52 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:20:52 -0400 Subject: pam files being created as .rpmnew In-Reply-To: <1098390764.16636.8.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098390537.16636.6.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041021203028.GE13078@redhat.com> <1098390764.16636.8.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041021222051.GA21067@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Colin Walters (walters at redhat.com) said: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 16:30 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > > Hmm, I was wondering why up2date had eaten its sources file. > > Yeah, I just noticed that one too. It's now shipped in fedora-release. Which isn't rebuilt yet (oops). Bill From gvc at ocsystems.com Thu Oct 21 22:09:57 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:09:57 -0400 Subject: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server In-Reply-To: <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > The RPM transaction should have saved the old sources file as > sources.rpmsave. So: > > # cd /etc/sysconfig/rhn > # mv sources sources.rpmnew > # mv sources.rpmsave sources > > And you should be back in business. Unfortunately not: $ cd /etc/sysconfig/rhn $ sudo mv sources sources.rpmnew $ sudo mv sources.rpmsave sources mv: cannot stat `sources.rpmsave': No such file or directory Could I impose on you to just send me yours? Thx. --gvc From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Thu Oct 21 22:31:55 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:31:55 +0200 Subject: Disk space used by a package? In-Reply-To: <1098394921.12661.102.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098394921.12661.102.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041022003155.7b62321a.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:42:01 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Is there any way I can find out authoritatively how much space a given > package takes up on disk when installed? The "size" parameter in "rpm - > qi" is not it, clearly. > > Perhaps if I run "rpm -ql" and then feed that to some command that > counts bytes or inodes? I realize that there will be a rounding error > since each file must take up at least one inode on disk, but if I can > get inode-level (e.g. 4KB) precision then I'll be very happy indeed. > > Thanks for any advice, Untested whether the info in here is more accurate: rpm -q --qf "[%{fsnames} %{fssizes}\n]" PACKAGE -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 0.11 0.13 0.08 From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 22:34:01 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:34:01 -0600 Subject: Thanks To Satish and Mike In-Reply-To: <41773C55.4010703@speakeasy.net> References: <41773C55.4010703@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1098398041.12613.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 00:34 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Satish Balay, > > Thanks for your post to "Steve" [...] > > Mike Harris, thanks also for posting corrected xorg-x11 6.8.1-12 rpms to > people.redhat.com. I can see you had a late night at the office. > Amen! I just booted the 640 kernel and the -12 xorg and the system came up just fine. Had me scared silly when I rebooted. :-) You all had the problem fixed before I really had a chance to trip on it; damn good and fast work. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 22:36:16 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:36:16 -0600 Subject: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server In-Reply-To: <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com> References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <1098398176.12613.11.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 18:09 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > The RPM transaction should have saved the old sources file as > > sources.rpmsave. So: > > > Could I impose on you to just send me yours? Thx. > --gvc > Done. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From awd at DDG.com Thu Oct 21 23:00:01 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:00:01 -0500 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098386637.17592.6.camel@binkley> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <80d7e4090410211209661ed05f@mail.gmail.com> <1098386690.12661.89.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098386637.17592.6.camel@binkley> Message-ID: Let's remember that this money/cost side thread started when Alan Cox said he continually lobbied for someone to scan the bugzilla database. I brought up that this could be solved with some cash that I was willing to continue giving to the 'cause'. On Oct 21, 2004, at 14:23, seth vidal wrote: > Then contribute money to any of the various development mechanisms. Not > just red hat. Give money to gnome, to kde, to whomever. I was contributing to a commercial open source project called Redhat. I still use resources of theirs. If they want to go contribute to an open project, that's great. In many ways, I can view Redhat as the 'United Way' of open source projects - I give money to them, they sort out who gets resources to improve open projects. My budget can support about $60/machine/year. That is money currently being 'left on the table'. Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. Donoho awd at DDG.com, PGP Key ID: 0x81D0F250 +1 (512) 453-6652 (o), +1 (512) 750-7596 (m) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1076 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 21 23:30:56 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:56 -0600 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <80d7e4090410211209661ed05f@mail.gmail.com> <1098386690.12661.89.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098386637.17592.6.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1098401456.12613.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 18:00 -0500, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > I was contributing to a commercial open source project called Redhat. > I still use resources of theirs. If they want to go contribute to an > open project, that's great. In many ways, I can view Redhat as the > 'United Way' of open source projects - I give money to them, they sort > out who gets resources to improve open projects. > > My budget can support about $60/machine/year. That is money currently > being 'left on the table'. > I feel pretty much the same way. In addition to that, it was Red Hat, Inc. who provided me with operating systems which have enabled me to either save money or make money since at least 6.2 (earlier use was pure hobby). They clearly know how to work with others in the open-source community, and I trust them to allocate funds with perhaps more wisdom than I could. Even if they keep said funds, they are welcome to them since, again, it was they who were my direct "contact" to the whole Open Source concept and in a very strong way the primary reason I was able to get involved and stay involved. They brought my learning curve down to a more manageable level so I could learn some of this while I was doing tons of something else. If I'd had only Slackware , I would *never* have managed to get this far. So I owe them a lot, I think. The problem is that I *could* rechannel approximately $100/year from my personal money somewhere else. So what? I could move at least another $250-$300 of my company's money if I could argue that we were buying something, and with RHN I could do that. I could also help convince other friends and small businesses that RHN was a service worth buying, and eventually I think I was responsible for slightly over $2,000/year going into Red Hat's pockets. I would like to continue to tell people to pay for Linux. Most of them will not donate to anything, but *will* buy something reasonable. The $100 I control directly are peanuts. It's the other $1,900 (or much more, given time) that I could *influence* which is more interesting. As Andrew so succintly put it, that money is being left on the table. Crying shame, that. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ngc4013 at cox.net Fri Oct 22 00:45:05 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:45:05 -0400 Subject: fedora-test-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 111 In-Reply-To: <20041021202858.1FE7C74546@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041021202858.1FE7C74546@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41785811.4050701@cox.net> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:37:58 -0400, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > Did you set up the mdadm.conf file and describe all the arrays in it? > It's been a while since I set mine up and after converting to the 'fd' > partition type, it always just works without needing to configure the > mdadm.conf file. I only have one array though. I would guess that if you > set up the mdadm.conf file and used mdadm --assemble, possibly in the > rc.local file, it might at least pick up the second array. > tjb Thanks for responding Tom. Actually I did modify the mdadm.conf file and strangely enough when I hand create the /dev/md1 needed for the second RAID drive, then run my scripts such as 'mdadm -A /dev/md0' and then 'mdadm -A /dev/md0', the drives set up opposite of what I thought they should. In other words the drive on the second port sets up as /dev/md0 and the drive on the first port of course sets up as /dev/md1. Funny thing though they are scanned in correctly when the SCSI port scan occurs. Anyway, first problem to fix is the creation of /dev/md1 and having it stay when rebooted. With the new utilities, such as mdadm, hotplug and udev, that I never played with before this has become very puzzling. I really don't want to go back to the other mode of operation with running the scripts, but will if I need to. Problem is that if I put the code from the scripts into the init files then some other admin type person that may be working on my computers in the near future won't know enough to find them or even ask. Bill From diahron at earthlink.net Fri Oct 22 01:17:15 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:17:15 -0500 Subject: No more updates Message-ID: <41785F9B.5090701@earthlink.net> If reference to how Rodolfo explained bringing back the sources file in my /etc/sysconfig/rhn directory by using the sources.rpmsave file (the backup.) Well, there is no sources.rpmsave file. Using whereis can not find anything either. Perhaps the .rpmsave file is not an automatic function and/or I just do not know how to set it. I use vim for editing and I'm new to it also. So, without an .rpmsave file what would be my alternative. I personally never deleted anything from this directory (not knowingly!). I have been reading documentation on yum and setting it up, but I have yet to fully understand it, working on it. Here is what I'm getting with what I have when attempting to use up2date: /usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/checklist.py:21: DeprecationWarning: use gtk.TreeView gtk.CList.__init__ (self, columns+1) /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning) /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.create_pixmap is deprecated, use gtk.gdk.Pixmap instead self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning) /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainiteration is deprecated, use gtk.main_iteration instead self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning) From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 01:23:36 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:23:36 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1f59814104102113417c87a3a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <20041021160211.GA28594@jadzia.bu.edu> <20041021171058.GB23612@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1f59814104102113417c87a3a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910410211823a814d2b@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:41:31 -0600, Garrett Serack wrote: > I'm wondering what kind of volume that there is in the Bugzilla > Database. I've got (a few) free cycles, and wouldn't mind doing some > of that, and maybe could pitch in on an adhoc/volunteer basis. > > Either that, or a small cadre of volunteer bug sorters? :) > > It may not be perfect, but certainly better than nothing? Lots of volume unfortunately.... there are several issues that extra manpower in Core bugzilla could help resolve. There is a way for community to gain some limited access to bugzilla operations once they have shown they have a good grasp on triaging. But initially if you want to help out tracking down bugs to close out, you can get a hold of me on irc (or another person with bugzilla editting rights, #fedora-bugs on freenode if you want to talk about a bugs to close out.) *cleaning out OLD rhl bugs: This is not an obvious case of just closing everything out and starting afresh. I've talk to some developers...all the developers who are dumb enough to end up in irc channels where I sit... about how they want triage to handle old bugs for packages they maintain. And guess what.. there is no concensus among package maintainers as to what to do.. This makes it troublesome for outside community to dig in and make headway here. This sort of thing is going to take community experts into different subsystems and not just someone with spare cycles to make significant gains here. And its definitely going to take each and every package maintainer to take a second and describe how they want community triagers to help deal with old bugs for each component. *refiling old crasher bugs for fedoralegacy.org: This is actually doable for someone in the community, it just takes cycles and from someone interested in getting important stale bugs over to legacy's bugzilla. There was some consensous reached as to how to handle this. I need to write the instructions down in the fedoraproject wiki. *marking bugs as duplicates Not difficult to do, but its very very easy to mark something as a duplicate in error. Something you can discuss in irc to cut your teeth for triage. If you take the time to find the duplicates I'll find the time to mark them as such in bugzilla for you. *dealing with needsinfo/worksforme situations lots of bug reports coming in don't have nearly enough information to be useful to anyone. As a triager you can respond via a comment to encourage the original report to include more information about the problem, if you can't reproduce it yourself. OR you can reproduce it and provide the additional log and configuration information to move things along. The problem here is, we need to build up a body "things that are useful to know" for different components as a resource, not unlike this page: http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/StackTraces *Using and writing 'nice' standard comment blocks for different situations. http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/StockBugzillaResponses -jef From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 22 01:26:49 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:26:49 -0600 Subject: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server In-Reply-To: <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com>; from gvc@ocsystems.com on Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 06:09:57PM -0400 References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <20041021192649.A3436@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 06:09:57PM -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > The RPM transaction should have saved the old sources file as > > sources.rpmsave. So: > > > > # cd /etc/sysconfig/rhn > > # mv sources sources.rpmnew > > # mv sources.rpmsave sources > > > > And you should be back in business. > > Unfortunately not: > > $ cd /etc/sysconfig/rhn > $ sudo mv sources sources.rpmnew > $ sudo mv sources.rpmsave sources > mv: cannot stat `sources.rpmsave': No such file or directory It does not look like that the current up2date, i.e. up2date-4.3.46-1, comes with /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources although /usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/sourcesConfig.py has this code in it: global sources sources = None def getSources(): global sources if sources: return sources scfg = SourcesConfigFile(filename="/etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources") sources = scfg.repos return sources I have no idea if this is like it should be or this is a packaging bug. Michal From gvc at ocsystems.com Fri Oct 22 01:16:15 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:16:15 -0400 Subject: Missing GPG signatures Message-ID: <41785F5F.5070302@ocsystems.com> What do I do to suppress all the warnings about missing GPG signatures when I run up2date? --gvc From diahron at earthlink.net Fri Oct 22 01:32:24 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:32:24 -0500 Subject: Sound Card Check and Drive not Ready. Message-ID: <41786328.8060008@earthlink.net> At the beginning of every session I have to do a sound card check for the sound system to be functional. Once sound card check has been run it works until the next reboot. I only noticed this problem in FC3T3 and it persisted through all three kernel updates. When using Application Add/Remove the error 'drive not accessible' is coming up when you attempt to install the asked for CD to do the Add/Remove. It will not recognize the drive. Incidentally for reference my hardware setup is AMD-2500+, 512mg, NVidia g-force, combo DVD-CDRW, Epson CX5400, DSL going through a D-Link router. Understandably, there are possibly fixes in the mix and on their way, but I thought I would mention this just it case. There have been other threads, previously concerning such problems. Did any result in bug fixes that I should refer to? Thanks From fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com Fri Oct 22 01:32:48 2004 From: fox3ec208 at wideopenwest.com (Terry Polzin) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:32:48 -0400 Subject: Missing GPG signatures In-Reply-To: <41785F5F.5070302@ocsystems.com> References: <41785F5F.5070302@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <200410212132.48429.fox3ec208@wideopenwest.com> On Thursday October 21 2004 21:16, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > What do I do to suppress all the warnings about missing GPG signatures when > I run up2date? > --gvc up2date --nosig -or- up2date --nox -udi -nosig (for non gui) From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 01:36:12 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:36:12 -0600 Subject: Missing GPG signatures In-Reply-To: <41785F5F.5070302@ocsystems.com> References: <41785F5F.5070302@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: Use up2date-config and deselect the option: "use GPG to verify package integrity" or pass "--nosig" on the command-line. --rgs On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:16:15 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > What do I do to suppress all the warnings about missing GPG signatures when I > run up2date? > --gvc > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From talbotscott at cox.net Fri Oct 22 02:01:41 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:01:41 -0700 Subject: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server In-Reply-To: <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098410501.13522.16.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 16:00 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 17:31 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > > An HTTP error occurred: > > URL: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3/headers/header.info > > Status Code: 404 > > Error Message: Not Found > > > > Do I need to do something manually to get updates working again? > > Yes. Notice it's looking for "updates-released-fc3". Since we are so > close to release date, they change the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file > to point to the locations for FC3. But those are of course not what you > want. > > The RPM transaction should have saved the old sources file as > sources.rpmsave. So: > > # cd /etc/sysconfig/rhn > # mv sources sources.rpmnew > # mv sources.rpmsave sources > > And you should be back in business. > > Cheers, As a result of Thurs Oct 21 rawhide, Installation of up2date-4.3.46-1 performs the following - finalize fc3 urls #135700 - some pychecker cleanups - remove /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources (mover to *-release package) that 3rd item sounds like what has happened on my system. I no longer have a sources file. I checked the fedora-release package and there is no 'sources' file there. I do have a test 2 distro that I can get the file from though. Did they jump the gun on this? Scott From ben.steeves at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 02:13:20 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:13:20 -0300 Subject: Prism 2.5 / orinoco driver fails under load Message-ID: <7ebb24d104102119132eb1c62f@mail.gmail.com> Hiya, I'm running Fedora Core Test 3 with all the latest updates (kernel 2.6.9-1.639) on an IBM T30 laptop. For the most part, things work great, but I'm having problem with my wireless (the built-in). I used to have this problem with FC1, but with FC2 it had gone away. The problem is this: whenever I try to send something from the laptop to another machine (via SCP, FTP, etc), I start getting the following message repeated indefinitely on the console: eth1: Error -5 writing Tx descriptor to BAP ...the system load goes so high the system becomes unresponsive and I need to reboot (forcibly). Sometimes, if I catch it in time, I can stop it by bringing down the wireless interface and unloading the orinoco/orinoco_pci/hermes modules. I've googled and found some older posts on the subject, but no resolution/suggestions -- just people describing the same problem. I checked Bugzilla, but don't know what component this would be filed under... Anyone have any pointers/advice/similar experiences to share? -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 03:06:34 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098401456.12613.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <20041021151332.GD26170@redhat.com> <1098372129.16288.0.camel@binkley> <1098381158.12661.48.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <3DAAB452-2393-11D9-869C-000A9566A350@DDG.com> <80d7e4090410211209661ed05f@mail.gmail.com> <1098386690.12661.89.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098386637.17592.6.camel@binkley> <1098401456.12613.24.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > As Andrew so succintly put it, that money is being left on the table. > Crying shame, that. The problem is opportunity cost. In allocating people/resources to get that revenue, Red Hat would have to give much more revenue from other sources. I think the best way people can give back to Red Hat, and at the same time make their own open source experience more valuable, is to contribute to projects like Fedora. The most valuable contributions are typically things that nobody else is doing/wants to do. You can't imagine how much bug triage makes things easier for a package developer. Cheers, -- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches. From fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 22 03:59:49 2004 From: fct-cornette at sbcglobal.net (Jim Cornette) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:59:49 -0400 Subject: dual-booting, internal video memory cards stealing from shared memory Message-ID: <417885B5.8060400@sbcglobal.net> After trying two different PCI video cards which have internal memory. A radeon 7200 w/ 32 MB and now an ATI with 16 MB. I am confused as to why the card would subtract from video memory that my internal 815 video uses. This shared memory reduces my allocated video memory for the 815 to a maximum 800x600 resolution. This can be corrected by manually configuring the 815 card to use higher resolutions. The confusion is why this limitation happens in the first place. This happens with FC3T1 through the current rawhide versions. Also, I have the ATI running on the configuration file for xorg.conf that is setup for the 815 video. The ATI GC is working and is confusing, since it is using the wrong driver. PCI ID for the 815 is 2:0:0 and the ATI is 0:1:0 if this is of any importance. The primary cards are selected from BIOS configuration. Jim From joelbryanster at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 04:21:03 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:21:03 -0700 Subject: Folding@Home Message-ID: Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at Folding at Home? -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless From fedora at andrewfarris.com Fri Oct 22 04:41:30 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:41:30 -0700 Subject: while installing nVidia on kernel 2.6.9-1.639 FC3 warning about rivafb module In-Reply-To: <1098386194.12232.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <41778EBC.5050206@redhat.com> <45313312.20041021173359@taipang.com> <1098386194.12232.12.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <1098420091.11637.0.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 12:16 -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 17:33 +0600, Alor wrote: > > While installing nVidia driver 6111 on FC3 test 3 > > with kernel 2.6.9-1.639 I get message: > > WARNING: Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support as a > > loadable kernel module. > > This is a warning telling you that the module was compiled, but not > necessarily if it is being used. You should be use rivafb even though > the kernel supplies it -- it will not interfere unless you deliberately > (and knowingly) are using it. (just make sure its not loaded, use lsmod) -correction- You *should NOT be* using rivafb, even though the kernel supplies it. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From mwiktowy at gmx.net Fri Oct 22 04:44:46 2004 From: mwiktowy at gmx.net (Michael Wiktowy) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:44:46 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <20041022021336.0531D740A9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041022021336.0531D740A9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098420286.22609.17.camel@localhost> > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:23:36 -0400 > From: Jeff Spaleta > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:41:31 -0600, Garrett Serack wrote: > > I'm wondering what kind of volume that there is in the Bugzilla > > Database. I've got (a few) free cycles, and wouldn't mind doing some > > of that, and maybe could pitch in on an adhoc/volunteer basis. > > > > Either that, or a small cadre of volunteer bug sorters? :) > > > > It may not be perfect, but certainly better than nothing? > > Lots of volume unfortunately.... there are several issues that extra > manpower in Core bugzilla could help resolve. There is a way for > community to gain some limited access to bugzilla operations once they > have shown they have a good grasp on triaging. But initially if you > want to help out tracking down bugs to close out, you can get a hold > of me on irc (or another person with bugzilla editting rights, > #fedora-bugs on freenode if you want to talk about a bugs to close > out.) > > *cleaning out OLD rhl bugs: > This is not an obvious case of just closing everything out and > starting afresh. I've talk to some developers...all the developers who > are dumb enough to end up in irc channels where I sit... about how > they want triage to handle old bugs for packages they maintain. And > guess what.. there is no concensus among package maintainers as to > what to do.. This makes it troublesome for outside community to dig in > and make headway here. This sort of thing is going to take community > experts into different subsystems and not just someone with spare > cycles to make significant gains here. > And its definitely going to take each and every package maintainer to > take a second and describe how they want community triagers to help > deal with old bugs for each component. > > *refiling old crasher bugs for fedoralegacy.org: > This is actually doable for someone in the community, it just takes > cycles and from someone interested in getting important stale bugs > over to legacy's bugzilla. There was some consensous reached as to how > to handle this. I need to write the instructions down in the > fedoraproject wiki. > > *marking bugs as duplicates > Not difficult to do, but its very very easy to mark something as a > duplicate in error. Something you can discuss in irc to cut your teeth > for triage. If you take the time to find the duplicates I'll find the > time to mark them as such in bugzilla for you. > > *dealing with needsinfo/worksforme situations > lots of bug reports coming in don't have nearly enough information to > be useful to anyone. As a triager you can respond via a comment to > encourage the original report to include more information about the > problem, if you can't reproduce it yourself. OR you can reproduce it > and provide the additional log and configuration information to move > things along. The problem here is, we need to build up a body "things > that are useful to know" for different components as a resource, not > unlike this page: > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/StackTraces > > *Using and writing 'nice' standard comment blocks for different situations. > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/wiki/index.cgi/StockBugzillaResponses > > -jef Is it considered proper Bugzilla etiquette for an average user (i.e. non-developer) to close bugs that that same user opened? I personally have bugs that I have opened that have been fixed (either collaterally or directly ... regardless, what was broken worksforme now) with no comment in the bug from anyone. It seems fairly benign to me to be able to close them or revoke them in some way. It would likely go a long way in cleaning up some of the falsely open bugs in a way that distributes the triaging accurately. I have not tried to do such a thing due to developers freaking out (justifiably) in other bugs when someone goes and messes with the bug header info. It seems to me that if you are the source of the bug report, you are qualified to know when whatever was buggy works now. Maybe even just a "Revoked" status that would make it easier for official triagers to sort through the massive volume of false negatives. /Mike From karsten at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 07:00:21 2004 From: karsten at redhat.com (Karsten Hopp) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:00:21 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098420286.22609.17.camel@localhost> References: <20041022021336.0531D740A9@hormel.redhat.com> <1098420286.22609.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20041022070021.GA18993@redhat.com> > > Is it considered proper Bugzilla etiquette for an average user (i.e. > non-developer) to close bugs that that same user opened? I personally > have bugs that I have opened that have been fixed (either collaterally > or directly ... regardless, what was broken worksforme now) with no > comment in the bug from anyone. It seems fairly benign to me to be able > to close them or revoke them in some way. It would likely go a long way > in cleaning up some of the falsely open bugs in a way that distributes > the triaging accurately. I have not tried to do such a thing due to > developers freaking out (justifiably) in other bugs when someone goes > and messes with the bug header info. It seems to me that if you are the > source of the bug report, you are qualified to know when whatever was > buggy works now. Maybe even just a "Revoked" status that would make it > easier for official triagers to sort through the massive volume of false > negatives. > You'll save a lot of developers time when you close the report as soon as you notice that the bug has been fixed(with a patch or by a newer upstream version). Add the version of the fixed package in a comment so that others with the same problem know which version they have to download and just close the bug. The developer then doesn't have to try to reproduce the bug and can move on to the next open bug. Have a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/bug_status.cgi#closed: >This can be changed by the reporter, assignee, or others with proper >permission. Karsten -- Karsten Hopp GPG 1024D/70ABD02C Fingerprint D2D4 3B6B 2DE4 464C A432 210A DFF8 A140 70AB D02C Red Hat Deutschland, Hauptstaetter Str.58 70178 Stuttgart, Tel.+49-711-96437-0, Fax +49-711-96437-111 From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 05:03:30 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:03:30 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <1098420286.22609.17.camel@localhost> References: <20041022021336.0531D740A9@hormel.redhat.com> <1098420286.22609.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <604aa791041021220379d29806@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:44:46 -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote: > Is it considered proper Bugzilla etiquette for an average user (i.e. > non-developer) to close bugs that that same user opened? I personally > have bugs that I have opened that have been fixed (either collaterally > or directly ... regardless, what was broken worksforme now) with no > comment in the bug from anyone. If you opened it and it works now and the maintainer never changed its state or commented...close it using the resolution that makes the most sense. For change in behavior brought about by installing an update.. close it as currentrelease. -jef From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 06:13:04 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:13:04 -0600 Subject: Here is a sources file! (was: Re: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server) [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <20041021192649.A3436@mail.harddata.com> References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com> <20041021192649.A3436@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098425584.12650.19.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 19:26 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > It does not look like that the current up2date, i.e. > up2date-4.3.46-1, comes with /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources [...] It doesn't. They've moved the sources file to the fedora-release package (don't ask me why, I just read about these things) and that package in turn won't get rebuilt (with the sources file in it) until likely tomorrow. So apparently my box got lucky. And while I normally don't attach stuff to a mailing list, here is my sources file for anyone who may need one. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- ### This describes the various package repositories (repos) that up2date will ### query for packages. It currently supports apt-rpm, yum, and "dir" repos. ### Format is one repository (repo) entry per line, # starts comments, the ### first word on each line is the type of repo. ### The default RHN (using "default" as the url means use the one in the ### up2date config file). This is required. #up2date default ### Note: when a channel label is required for the non up2date repos, ### the label is solely used as an internal identifier and is not ### based on the url or any other info from the repos. ### An apt style repo (the example is arjan's 2.6 kernel repo). ### The format is: ### type channel-label service:server path repo name #apt arjan-2.6-kernel-i386 http://people.redhat.com ~arjanv/2.5/ kernel ### Note: for apt repos, there can be multiple repo names specified (space ### seperated). ### A yum style repo. The format is: ### type channel-label url yum fedora-core-rawhide http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$ARCH/ yum-mirror fedora-core-rawhide http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-rawhide #yum fedore-core-2-test1-updates http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 #yum-mirror fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-1 #yum-mirror updates-released http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released #yum updates-testing http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/testing/fedora-core-$releasever #yum-mirror updates-testing http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-testing ### Fedora Extras (fedora.us) #yum fedora-us-stable-2 http://SERVER/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable ### Livna.org (rpm.livna.org) #yum livna-stable-fc2 http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/yum/stable ### A local directory full of packages (a "dir" repo). For example: #dir my-favorite-rpms-i386-9 /var/spool/RPMS/ # Multiple versions of all repos except "up2date" can be used. Dependencies # can be resolved "cross-repo" if need be. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linxt at comcast.net Fri Oct 22 06:38:48 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:38:48 -0700 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> On Thursday 21 October 2004 21:21, joelbryan wrote: > Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at Folding at Home? > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless Hmmm: Folding. Is this like an origami party? Or perhaps an envelope stuffing afair? Home. Whose? Why? Where? When? Hee, hee, hee says he while ducking the tomatoes. Tom -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 06:44:43 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:44:43 +0100 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date Message-ID: I updated to the latest xorg packages yesterday, but X is still refusing to start. The fatal error, according to the logs is: Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' What am I doing wrong? From harald at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 07:01:01 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:01:01 +0200 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > I updated to the latest xorg packages yesterday, but X is still > refusing to start. The fatal error, according to the logs is: > > Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! > > Fatal server error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > > What am I doing wrong? > the service xfs does not seem to be started... # chkconfig --add xfs # chkconfig xfs on From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 07:28:26 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:28:26 +0200 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> References: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098430106.13607.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:01 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > I updated to the latest xorg packages yesterday, but X is still > > refusing to start. The fatal error, according to the logs is: > > > > Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! > > > > Fatal server error: > > could not open default font 'fixed' > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > the service xfs does not seem to be started... > # chkconfig --add xfs > # chkconfig xfs on ... and "service xfs start" if you don't want to reboot the machine, then "init 3; sleep 2; init 5" to get your gdm/kdm/xdm nudged. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From jerone at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 08:27:01 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:27:01 -0500 Subject: Folding@Home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9f50a7a0041022012715ede279@mail.gmail.com> Looks like a good cause, BUT the client is not Open Sourced and you cannot distribute it unless authorized by Folding at Home. You also are in no way allowed to modify it. Jerone On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:21:03 -0700, joelbryan wrote: > Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at Folding at Home? > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From fedora at andrewfarris.com Fri Oct 22 08:55:28 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:55:28 -0700 Subject: Up2date/Yum - Information. In-Reply-To: <4177F4C8.3080104@earthlink.net> References: <4177F4C8.3080104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098435328.11637.8.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 12:41 -0500, Diahron Grismore wrote: > 2. When doing an update/install, do not the system create backups that > you can revert to in case of crashes? If so, where would they be? up2date can keep the packages it replaces when updating, see the options in up2date-config. The packages should be in /var/spool/repackage. In general this is alot of extra disk space usage for testing since you will be replacing a 'significant' number of packages during each week. (except when in freeze not as much happens) -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From brian at networklifeline.net Fri Oct 22 09:12:31 2004 From: brian at networklifeline.net (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:12:31 -0700 Subject: gphoto error with HP camera Message-ID: <20041022091231.18074.qmail@webmail-2-6.mesa1.secureserver.net> This might not be the right forum for this but I am not sure if it is a fedora problem, or gphoto because the camera works just fine when I run mandrake 10. When I plug in the camera it auto detects it as an HP 812 - then it loads the gphoto drivers and then I get an error message that says File 'SHAREOLD.XML' could not be found in folder '/store_00010042/MISC'. Now I can make it work if I change it to a usb drive but I want to use it as ptp and like I said I have when I run mandrake it loads perfectly, but mandrake is using flphoto to manage it. Has anyone seen this error with gphoto and fedora ? From arnling at kth.se Fri Oct 22 09:16:53 2004 From: arnling at kth.se (Joakim Arnling) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:53 +0200 Subject: latest rawhide and ipw2200 In-Reply-To: <41778411.40301@redhat.com> References: <1098303929.11854.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41777B5B.8070905@redhat.com> <003601c4b750$27bab270$08fbed82@IT01JARD800> <41778411.40301@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098436613.10999.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> ok, thanks for the help, but now it's working after a update to latest rawhide, and a recompile of the drivers... (on kernel 2.6.9-1.640) On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 11:40 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Joakim Arnling wrote: > > Had somewhat similar problems with udev-038 (couldn't load firmware), > > but this problem is with udev-039. (also tested with hal-0.4.0-4 and > > 2.6.8 kernel) > > > > [root at localhost ~]# rpm -q hal udev > > hal-0.4.0-5 > > udev-039-3 > > oops, sorry.. /me needs to read the reports more carefully.. > > what about downgrading udev to 032 or so? Does that help? > From pnasrat at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 09:53:57 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:53:57 +0100 Subject: update from FC1 to FC3-Test3 failed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098438837.4454.3.camel@anu.eridu> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:20 -0400, Nave, Ronald wrote: > I attempted to upgrade a Fedora core 1 system to FC3-test3 using the ISO > install disks. > > apparently Anaconda failed and then rebooted the computer part way into the > install process. It's incredibly hard to figure out what's going on without any information. Did you notedown the traceback or dump it to floppy. If not and you can reliably reproduce please enter in bugzilla and upload the anaconda dump file as an attachment. Paul From ernesto at ornl.gov Fri Oct 22 06:51:27 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:51:27 -0400 Subject: Here is a sources file! (was: Re: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server) [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1098425584.12650.19.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com> <20041021192649.A3436@mail.harddata.com> <1098425584.12650.19.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098427887.11218.3.camel@lion> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 00:13 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 19:26 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > > It does not look like that the current up2date, i.e. > > up2date-4.3.46-1, comes with /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources [...] > > It doesn't. They've moved the sources file to the fedora-release package > (don't ask me why, I just read about these things) and that package in > turn won't get rebuilt (with the sources file in it) until likely > tomorrow. Yes, that was bit tricky. I just moved my sources.rpmsave back to sources. > > So apparently my box got lucky. And while I normally don't attach stuff > to a mailing list, here is my sources file for anyone who may need one. > > Cheers, > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 11:09:47 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:09:47 +0100 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> References: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> Message-ID: This worked, and now I have X back, but I've run into two other problems since the last update. 1. I can't ping outside my subnet, but name lookup works. For exampe: $ ping www.redhat.com PING www.redhat.com (209.132.177.50) 56(84) bytes of data And then nothing. 2. Firefox now won't run. Even when I run from the command line (either as a user or as root), it exits immediately without any messages. On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:01:01 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > > > I updated to the latest xorg packages yesterday, but X is still > > refusing to start. The fatal error, according to the logs is: > > > > Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! > > > > Fatal server error: > > could not open default font 'fixed' > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > the service xfs does not seem to be started... > # chkconfig --add xfs > # chkconfig xfs on > From Fred.New at microlink.ee Fri Oct 22 11:14:01 2004 From: Fred.New at microlink.ee (Fred New) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:14:01 +0300 Subject: Here is a sources file! (was: Re: Up2date--fatal error communicating with server) [SOLVED] Message-ID: <345764DCB65C0C4FACC44529DE273C180B53F6@eemail1.microlink.lan> On Fri 10/22/2004 9:51 AM Ernest L. Williams Jr. wrote > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 00:13 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >> It doesn't. They've moved the sources file to the fedora-release package >> (don't ask me why, I just read about these things) and that package in >> turn won't get rebuilt (with the sources file in it) until likely >> tomorrow. > Yes, that was bit tricky. > I just moved my sources.rpmsave back to sources. After updating, I didn't have any remaining /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources* files. I had to download up2date-4.3.40-1.i386.rpm from a mirror (also on the installation FC3T3 CDs) and use rpm2cpio to extract it sources: rpm2cpio up2date-4.3.40-1.i386.rpm | cpio -id ./etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources Fred -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3123 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 11:37:06 2004 From: eamonn.sullivan at gmail.com (Eamonn Sullivan) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:37:06 +0100 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date In-Reply-To: References: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> Message-ID: Further on this (sorry, should have check this first): Pinging www.google.com works as expected (redhat just must not respond to pings) and Mozilla runs and connects to sites without problems, so it seems it's just Firefox that has decided to call it quits on me. There are no discernible messages in any of the logs (but perhaps someone has a better idea where to look for firefox errors). I must have had some up2date setting wrong because I'm finding that I need to redo a lot of basic settings. I checked and I definitely have the option turned on to not update packages where the local configuration has changed. On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:09:47 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > This worked, and now I have X back, but I've run into two other > problems since the last update. > > 1. I can't ping outside my subnet, but name lookup works. For exampe: > > $ ping www.redhat.com > PING www.redhat.com (209.132.177.50) 56(84) bytes of data > > And then nothing. > > 2. Firefox now won't run. Even when I run from the command line > (either as a user or as root), it exits immediately without any > messages. > > > > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:01:01 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > Eamonn Sullivan wrote: > > > > > > > I updated to the latest xorg packages yesterday, but X is still > > > refusing to start. The fatal error, according to the logs is: > > > > > > Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! > > > > > > Fatal server error: > > > could not open default font 'fixed' > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > the service xfs does not seem to be started... > > # chkconfig --add xfs > > # chkconfig xfs on > > > From spam at tachegroup.com Fri Oct 22 11:47:52 2004 From: spam at tachegroup.com (TGS) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:47:52 -0400 Subject: Xorg upgrade problem with "xorg-x11-font-utils" In-Reply-To: <1909FC5A05A75241AA6136AC9E84829B62F63A@ORNLEXCHANGE.ornl.gov> Message-ID: do a yum --obsolete update on 10/20/2004 3:19 PM, Williams Jr, Ernest L. at ernesto at ornl.gov wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Deji > Akingunola > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:20 PM > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Subject: Re: Xorg upgrade problem with "xorg-x11-font-utils" > > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 17:42 -0400, Williams Jr, Ernest L. wrote: >> Hi , >> >> >> >> >> >> When using rawhide to upgrade x11, I get stuck on the following >> package, "xorg-x11-font-utils" >> >> >> >> Up2date claims that it is unable to resolve a dependency with "xorg- >> x11-base-fonts" >> >> >> >> So, I removed xorg-x11-base-fonts and was able to install. >> >> >> >> >> >> Oops, now X will no longer start. I get the following error in: >> >> "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" >> >> >> >> >> Fatal server error: >> >> Could not open default cursor font 'cursor' >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Any help would be appreciated. > > you need to install the fonts-xorg-base package. > > > AWESOME!!!! Thanks. I am back in business. > > X is back online. > > > From Fulko.Hew at sita.aero Fri Oct 22 13:20:46 2004 From: Fulko.Hew at sita.aero (Fulko.Hew at sita.aero) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:20:46 -0400 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed Message-ID: Jeff Spaleta @redhat.com on 10/22/2004 01:03:30 AM wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:44:46 -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote: > > Is it considered proper Bugzilla etiquette for an average user (i.e. > > non-developer) to close bugs that that same user opened? I personally > > have bugs that I have opened that have been fixed (either collaterally > > or directly ... regardless, what was broken worksforme now) with no > > comment in the bug from anyone. > > If you opened it and it works now and the maintainer never changed its > state or commented...close it using the resolution that makes the most > sense. For change in behavior brought about by installing an update.. > close it as currentrelease. Thats true If I happen to try the issue again, just in case it was fixed. But more likely is that I'm waiting for the developer to inform Bugzilla that he addressed the issue, and provided a fix for me to test when Bugzilla sends me a followup email. Without that developer comment, the loop isn't closed, the email notification method isn't invoked and the user can't tell if the problem _was_ fixed, or the problem 'just went away' ,only to bite you another day. As a developer at work for over 25 years, I've come to the conclusion that this process must be driven by the developer, not the user. Only the developer knows if the problem is fixed. The user can only confirm it. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 22 13:02:01 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:02:01 +0200 Subject: Sound Card Check and Drive not Ready. In-Reply-To: <41786328.8060008@earthlink.net> References: <41786328.8060008@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098450121.9254.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 21 octobre 2004 ? 20:32 -0500, Diahron Grismore a ?crit : > At the beginning of every session I have to do a sound card check for > the sound system to be functional. Once sound card check has been run it > works until the next reboot. Do you have udev >= 039 and alsa-utils >= 1.0.6-3 ? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 13:41:21 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:41:21 -0400 Subject: Prism 2.5 / orinoco driver fails under load In-Reply-To: <7ebb24d104102119132eb1c62f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ebb24d104102119132eb1c62f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098452481.30232.5.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 23:13 -0300, Ben Steeves wrote: > Hiya, > > I'm running Fedora Core Test 3 with all the latest updates (kernel > 2.6.9-1.639) on an IBM T30 laptop. For the most part, things work > great, but I'm having problem with my wireless (the built-in). I used > to have this problem with FC1, but with FC2 it had gone away. The > problem is this: What's the model of the card you use? 1) if its PCMCIA/PCCard, can you give the output of 'cardctl ident' 2) If its onboard miniPCI, can you give the output of 'lspci' 3) If its cardbus, can you give the output of 'lspci' That might help a bit. Note that you also might have a bad firmware version? Unfortunately with the orninco/WaveLAN cards, firmware versions are not all guaranteed to work under Linux, but most should. Dan From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 22 13:48:26 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:48:26 -0400 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 22 October 2004 02:38, Tom Taylor wrote: >On Thursday 21 October 2004 21:21, joelbryan wrote: >> Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at >> Folding at Home? >> >> -- >> Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes >> Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany >> Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 >> Distro = Fedora Core >> Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML >> Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb >> Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit >> Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > >Hmmm: > Folding. Is this like an origami party? Or perhaps an envelope > stuffing afair? > > Home. Whose? Why? Where? When? > >Hee, hee, hee says he while ducking the tomatoes. > >Tom Its a program to study how proteins fold as they combine to make the end products chemically. It has quite far reaching implications in the development of new drugs. Such research requires the sort of processing power thats only available from the organisational aspect of something like setiathome. I'm currently running seti, but the replacement for seti, called boinc (and I forget exectly what that acronym stands for), I will probably convert to when seti runs down. Its also doing various areas of medical research, but isn't limited to that only. Both would seem to be projects that have potential for the betterment of mankind whereas seti is basicly an itch scratcher. >-- >Tom Taylor >registered linux user #263467 -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 22 13:53:34 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:53:34 -0400 Subject: Folding@Home In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a0041022012715ede279@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f50a7a0041022012715ede279@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410220953.34912.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 22 October 2004 04:27, Jerone Young wrote: >Looks like a good cause, BUT the client is not Open Sourced and you >cannot distribute it unless authorized by Folding at Home. You also are >in no way allowed to modify it. > > Jerone The one time I tried it, it ate so much cpu I had to kill it. It runs at full nice=0, or did when I tried it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From ngierman at roadrunn.com Fri Oct 22 14:05:47 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:05:47 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot Message-ID: <20041022140228.2761C21662B@pl6500.roadrunn.com> I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new behavior with my Netgear WG511. In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because eth1 (the prism54) was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then the module would load and insert into my wireless network without any action from me. Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct place according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able to upload the firmware just fine (which I have now added the rmmod and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and still gain access after reboot). I updated all packages (including kernel) that were available from yum and the same symptoms are there. I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? dmesg: ....... device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: dm at uk.sistina.com cdrom: open failed. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team eth1: islpci_open() eth1: resetting device... eth1: uploading firmware... prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') eth1: islpci_open() eth1: resetting device... eth1: uploading firmware... prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') eth1: islpci_open() eth1: resetting device... eth1: uploading firmware... prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') eth1: islpci_open() eth1: resetting device... eth1: uploading firmware... prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') eth1: islpci_open() eth1: resetting device... eth1: uploading firmware... prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x370-0x377 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. i2c /dev entries driver lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- End of boot eth1: removing device ---------------------------- rmmod prism54 divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 Unloaded prism54 driver Loaded prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- modprobe prism54 ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team eth1: islpci_open() eth1: resetting device... eth1: uploading firmware... eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team lspci: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) 00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10) 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 09) 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent Microelectronics) LT WinModem 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) 06:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette] (rev 01) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 22 14:16:40 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:40 -0400 Subject: What's up with yum? Message-ID: I wanted to try out the baseline yum conf, so after updating to yum-2.1.10-3, I moved /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew -> /etc/yum.conf. But when I run yum update, I get: sudo yum update not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. You can do that by running the command: rpm --import public.gpg.key For more information contact your distribution or package provider. I can deal with the gpg keys part, but what's up with the first message? It looks to me that it isn't reading /etc/yum.repos.d/ files. Running yum -d 10 update is no more informative. From jonathansavage at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 14:20:54 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:20:54 -0700 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104102207204a0cfcd4@mail.gmail.com> >Granted it's running in VMware, but > it always hangs at starting udev. I've heard bits and pieces concerning > this, but is this an issue on a non-VMware installed version of T3? Regular install i.e non VMware works fine on my laptop. List traffic suggests that there are quite a few people running test 3 on laptops fairly happily. I suspect it may be VMware or possibly some other issue w/ your machine. Make, model, specs would be helpful information to have, then you could see if anyone else has experienced that issue. Bests Jon From NaveR at fidelitytech.com Fri Oct 22 14:29:09 2004 From: NaveR at fidelitytech.com (Nave, Ronald) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:29:09 -0400 Subject: FC3-test3 and Kdevelop problems Message-ID: I am looking for user friendly software development tools for linux. I started the kdevelop application included with Fedora 3 test 3. However, when I attempted to create a project it will not enable to next button to allow the project folder to be created. The only button active in th Create New Project is the cancel button. I believe I tried this application a few months ago and it seemed to work then. Perhaps I have messed something up in the installation. From mhaney at interactsys.com Fri Oct 22 14:28:46 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:28:46 -0400 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea104102207204a0cfcd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <2ad7cea104102207204a0cfcd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098455326.3435.41.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 10:20, Jon Savage wrote: > >Granted it's running in VMware, but > > it always hangs at starting udev. I've heard bits and pieces concerning > > this, but is this an issue on a non-VMware installed version of T3? > Regular install i.e non VMware works fine on my laptop. List traffic > suggests that there are quite a few people running test 3 on laptops > fairly happily. > I suspect it may be VMware or possibly some other issue w/ your > machine. Make, model, specs would be helpful information to have, then > you could see if anyone else has experienced that issue. Actually, I'm more interested in whether the issue was general or if it might be related to VMWare. I'm really looking forward to installing it on my laptop since I have been very impressed with the new GUI and features. Who knows, it might be XP (the host) realizing I have a damn good distro in VMWare and it's rebelling! > Bests > > Jon -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 10:26:53 up 2:39, 1 user, load average: 1.38, 1.45, 1.80 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 14:32:04 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:32:04 -0600 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:38:01 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: > I am really looking forward to installing T3 on my laptop so that I can > really start using it day to day, my only problem is my test copy just > does not like to boot consistently. Granted it's running in VMware, but > it always hangs at starting udev. I've heard bits and pieces concerning > this, but is this an issue on a non-VMware installed version of T3? > I'm running T3 (updated from T2) on a Dell Precision M50 and did have some udev problems during one update iteration, but the problems did not prevent the system from booting and aside from logged errors, did not cause noticeable problems. At the moment, I am very pleased with Fedora - everything works quite well. From d0whc3rownz at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 14:32:43 2004 From: d0whc3rownz at gmail.com (d0whc3r d0w) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:32:43 +0200 Subject: What's up with yum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: try to "install" GPG public keys like: rpm --import http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/os/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide rpm --import http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/os/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test rpm --import http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY rpm --import http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY rpm --import http://newrpms.sunsite.dk/gpg-pubkey-newrpms.txt rpm --import http://atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms rpm --import http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/Petr.Kristof-GPG-KEY list all gpg-public-keys with: rpm -aq gpg* now, you could use yum On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:40 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > I wanted to try out the baseline yum conf, so after updating to > yum-2.1.10-3, I moved /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew -> /etc/yum.conf. But when I > run yum update, I get: > > sudo yum update > not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - > > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. > You can do that by running the command: > rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information contact your distribution or package provider. > > I can deal with the gpg keys part, but what's up with the first message? It > looks to me that it isn't reading /etc/yum.repos.d/ files. Running > > yum -d 10 update is no more informative. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 22 14:33:53 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:33:53 +0000 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot Message-ID: Hi, Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could live with it not working during boot. For the record are you running 2.6.9-1.640? With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is complete, it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 to 4 times before getting loaded. You should also see in your messages log that the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being removed by udev, for each failed firmware load. My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it needs to cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp actually happens. Whether or not anything like udev is involved in that race condition, I don't know, b/c I've not researched it enough to find out --- yet. I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about the hotplug environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my bz entry for hal https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 show the right MAC? Thanks & good luck. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new behavior with my > Netgear WG511. > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because eth1 (the prism54) > was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then the module would load and > insert into my wireless network without any action from me. > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not being able > to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct place according to > /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I rmmod prism54 and > modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able to upload the firmware just fine > (which I have now added the rmmod and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot > remotely and still gain access after reboot). I updated all packages > (including kernel) that were available from yum and the same symptoms are > there. I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > dmesg: > > ....... > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: dm at uk.sistina.com > cdrom: open failed. > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > eth1: islpci_open() > eth1: resetting device... > eth1: uploading firmware... > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > eth1: islpci_open() > eth1: resetting device... > eth1: uploading firmware... > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > eth1: islpci_open() > eth1: resetting device... > eth1: uploading firmware... > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > eth1: islpci_open() > eth1: resetting device... > eth1: uploading firmware... > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > eth1: islpci_open() > eth1: resetting device... > eth1: uploading firmware... > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x370-0x377 > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > i2c /dev entries driver > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- End of boot > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- rmmod prism54 > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 > Unloaded prism54 driver > Loaded prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- modprobe prism54 > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > eth1: islpci_open() > eth1: resetting device... > eth1: uploading firmware... > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > lspci: > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge > (rev 03) > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > 03) > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > 00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) > 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev > 10) > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev > 09) > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent Microelectronics) LT > WinModem > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M > AGP 2x (rev 64) > 06:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism > GT/Prism Duette] (rev 01) > > > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 22 14:35:11 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:35:11 +0200 Subject: What's up with yum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098455711.9254.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 22 octobre 2004 ? 10:16 -0400, Neal D. Becker a ?crit : > I wanted to try out the baseline yum conf, so after updating to > yum-2.1.10-3, I moved /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew -> /etc/yum.conf. But when I > run yum update, I get: > > sudo yum update > not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - Edit files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 22 14:34:38 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:34:38 -0400 Subject: What's up with yum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098455678.11112.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > sudo yum update > not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - if you're using one of the mirrorlists this message is coming from a blank line in the mirrorlist. If you're not using the mirrorlist then you've got a badly formed baseurl in your yum.conf or *.repo file > > You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. > However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download > the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. > You can do that by running the command: > rpm --import public.gpg.key > For more information contact your distribution or package provider. This is a new, informative message. :) -sv From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 22 14:41:09 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:41:09 -0400 Subject: What's up with yum? References: <1098455678.11112.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: seth vidal wrote: >> sudo yum update >> not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - > > if you're using one of the mirrorlists this message is coming from a > blank line in the mirrorlist. > > If you're not using the mirrorlist then you've got a badly formed > baseurl in your yum.conf or *.repo file > This is using yum.conf and yum.repos.d/* EXACTLY as supplied with the latest yum. I didn't edit anything. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 22 14:44:58 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:44:58 +0200 Subject: What's up with yum? In-Reply-To: <1098455711.9254.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098455711.9254.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098456298.9254.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 22 octobre 2004 ? 16:35 +0200, Matias F?liciano a ?crit : > Le vendredi 22 octobre 2004 ? 10:16 -0400, Neal D. Becker a ?crit : > > I wanted to try out the baseline yum conf, so after updating to > > yum-2.1.10-3, I moved /etc/yum.conf.rpmnew -> /etc/yum.conf. But when I > > run yum update, I get: > > > > sudo yum update > > not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - > > Edit files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ Ooops, seems there is another problem. Forget my previous mail. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 22 14:45:48 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:45:48 -0400 Subject: What's up with yum? In-Reply-To: References: <1098455678.11112.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1098456347.11112.14.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 10:41, Neal D. Becker wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > >> sudo yum update > >> not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - > > > > if you're using one of the mirrorlists this message is coming from a > > blank line in the mirrorlist. > > > > If you're not using the mirrorlist then you've got a badly formed > > baseurl in your yum.conf or *.repo file > > > > This is using yum.conf and yum.repos.d/* EXACTLY as supplied with the latest > yum. I didn't edit anything. okay - but I don't know whats _in_ the repos.d or yum.conf in the latest yum. I don't build those packages nor provide the repository config files. So unless you tell me, I don't know. -sv From ben.steeves at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 14:48:28 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:48:28 -0300 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea104102207204a0cfcd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <2ad7cea104102207204a0cfcd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ebb24d104102207483115314b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:20:54 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > >Granted it's running in VMware, but > > it always hangs at starting udev. I've heard bits and pieces concerning > > this, but is this an issue on a non-VMware installed version of T3? > Regular install i.e non VMware works fine on my laptop. List traffic > suggests that there are quite a few people running test 3 on laptops > fairly happily. I'm one of them (IBM T30). I did have some troubles related to udev on my desktop, because I initially tried upgrading from FC2 to FC3T3. I eventually sorted it out, but had problems with other conflicting 3rd party packages, so I opted for a clean install anyway. FC3T3 has been good so far, when installed from scratch. Upgrades have been less than perfect, but not terrible. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From harald at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 14:50:01 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:50:01 +0200 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <41791E19.9000406@redhat.com> Mark Haney wrote: > I am really looking forward to installing T3 on my laptop so that I can > really start using it day to day, my only problem is my test copy just > does not like to boot consistently. Granted it's running in VMware, but > it always hangs at starting udev. I've heard bits and pieces concerning > this, but is this an issue on a non-VMware installed version of T3? > > -------------------------------------- > Mark Haney > Network Administrator > InterAct Public Safety Systems > mhaney at interactsys.com > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > 09:33:16 up 1:46, 1 user, load average: 2.22, 2.29, 2.80 > Workaround for now: press -c I am hunting this bug right now.. -- Harald Hoyer, Senior Software Engineer gpg fingerprint E930 20E6 CCF8 C76C 8582 CF9F B7B7 45C2 C557 5542 http://harryh.homelinux.org http://people.redhat.com/harald Red Hat GmbH : http://www.redhat.de From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 22 14:51:27 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:51:27 -0400 Subject: What's up with yum? References: <1098455678.11112.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1098456347.11112.14.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 10:41, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> seth vidal wrote: >> >> >> sudo yum update >> >> not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - >> > >> > if you're using one of the mirrorlists this message is coming from a >> > blank line in the mirrorlist. >> > >> > If you're not using the mirrorlist then you've got a badly formed >> > baseurl in your yum.conf or *.repo file >> > >> >> This is using yum.conf and yum.repos.d/* EXACTLY as supplied with the >> latest >> yum. I didn't edit anything. > > okay - but I don't know whats _in_ the repos.d or yum.conf in the latest > yum. I don't build those packages nor provide the repository config > files. > > So unless you tell me, I don't know. > > -sv > > ,----[ /etc/yum.conf ] | [main] | cachedir=/var/cache/yum | debuglevel=2 | logfile=/var/log/yum.log | pkgpolicy=newest | distroverpkg=redhat-release | tolerant=1 | exactarch=1 | retries=20 | obsoletes=1 | gpgcheck=1 | | # PUT YOUR REPOS HERE OR IN separate files named file.repo | # in /etc/yum.repos.d `---- ,----[ /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo ] | [development] | name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree | #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ | mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-rawhide | enabled=1 `---- ,----[ /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo ] | [base] | name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base | #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$basearch/os/ | mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-$releasever | enabled=0 | gpgcheck=1 `---- ,----[ /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo ] | [updates-released] | name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Released Updates | #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/$releasever/$basearch/ | mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/updates-released-fc$releasever | enabled=0 | gpgcheck=1 `---- ,----[ /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates-testing.repo ] | [updates-testing] | name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Test Updates | #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/$releasever/$basearch/ | mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/updates-testing-fc$releasever | enabled=0 | gpgcheck=1 `---- From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 22 14:51:35 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: What's up with yum? In-Reply-To: References: <1098455678.11112.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Neal D. Becker wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > >> sudo yum update > >> not using ftp, http[s], or file for repos, skipping - > > > > if you're using one of the mirrorlists this message is coming from a > > blank line in the mirrorlist. > > > > If you're not using the mirrorlist then you've got a badly formed > > baseurl in your yum.conf or *.repo file > > > > This is using yum.conf and yum.repos.d/* EXACTLY as supplied with the latest > yum. I didn't edit anything. Looks like redhat moved 'repository info' for 'up2date' and 'yum' into 'fedora-release' pacakge. There was an earlier thread on 'missing rhn/sources file for up2date' You might want to install/update to the latest fedora-release package Satish From ngierman at roadrunn.com Fri Oct 22 14:52:41 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:52:41 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041022144919.214CC50134@pl6500.roadrunn.com> This happens in both 2.6.8-1.541 and 2.6.9-1.640 However in FC2 with both 2.6.5-1.358 and 2.6.8-1.521 it would load just fine after PCMCIA started In /var/log/messages I do see the failed firmware upload attempts but no corresponding udev entries: ..... Oct 22 08:39:58 m700 kernel: IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 Oct 22 08:39:58 m700 kernel: microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 Oct 22 08:39:58 m700 kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 22 08:39:58 m700 kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 22 08:39:58 m700 kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' Oct 22 08:39:58 m700 kernel: eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 rpcidmapd: rpc.idmapd startup succeeded Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 kernel: eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') Oct 22 08:39:59 m700 pcmcia: Starting PCMCIA services: Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 pcmcia: cardmgr[2058]: open_sock(socket 2) failed: Bad file descriptor Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 cardmgr[2058]: open_sock(socket 2) failed: Bad file descriptor Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 cardmgr[2058]: watching 2 sockets Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 pcmcia: cardmgr[2058]: watching 2 sockets Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x370-0x377 0x4d0-0x4d7 Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 pcmcia: done. Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 rc: Starting pcmcia: succeeded Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 netfs: Mounting other filesystems: succeeded Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 kernel: i2c /dev entries driver Oct 22 08:40:00 m700 rc: Starting lm_sensors: succeeded ..... Oct 22 08:40:16 m700 messagebus: messagebus startup succeeded Oct 22 08:40:16 m700 rhnsd[2377]: Red Hat Network Services Daemon starting up. Oct 22 08:40:16 m700 rhnsd: rhnsd startup succeeded Oct 22 08:40:16 m700 cups-config-daemon: cups-config-daemon startup succeeded Oct 22 08:40:16 m700 haldaemon: haldaemon startup succeeded Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 wine: Registering binary handler for Windows applications Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 rc: Starting wine: succeeded Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 net.agent[2429]: remove event not handled Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 net.agent[2421]: remove event not handled Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 kernel: Unloaded prism54 driver Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 kernel: Loaded prism54 driver, version 1.2 Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 Oct 22 08:40:17 m700 kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 22 08:40:18 m700 kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Oct 22 08:40:18 m700 fstab-sync[2524]: removed all generated mount points Oct 22 08:40:18 m700 mdmpd: mdmpd startup succeeded Oct 22 08:40:19 m700 mdmpd: mdmpd succeeded Oct 22 08:40:22 m700 fstab-sync[3016]: added mount point /media/cdrom for /dev/hdb Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.0.105 Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.0.105 Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 NET: /sbin/dhclient-script : updated /etc/resolv.conf Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 dhclient: bound to 192.168.0.98 -- renewal in 17145 seconds. Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 NET: /sbin/dhclient-script : updated /etc/resolv.conf Oct 22 08:40:23 m700 dhclient: bound to 192.168.0.98 -- renewal in 17145 seconds. Oct 22 08:40:27 m700 udev[3268]: removing device node '/dev/0000:06:00.0' Oct 22 08:40:28 m700 udev[3254]: creating device node '/dev/vcs1' Oct 22 08:40:28 m700 udev[3255]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa1' Oct 22 08:40:28 m700 udev[3256]: creating device node '/dev/vcs2' Oct 22 08:40:28 m700 udev[3257]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa2' ..... I have not tried to remove and reinsert the hardware itself after boot, but I might try that when I get back home tonight. I'm a bit new to the hotplug/hal environment myself, could you point me in the right direction to find the hal-device-manager advanced properties? > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 09:34 > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > Hi, > > Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad > to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could live > with it not working during boot. For the record are you > running 2.6.9-1.640? > > With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is complete, > it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 to 4 times > before getting loaded. You should also see in your messages > log that the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being removed by > udev, for each failed firmware load. > > My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs > interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it > needs to cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp > actually happens. Whether or not anything like udev is > involved in that race condition, I don't know, b/c I've not > researched it enough to find out --- yet. > > I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about the > hotplug environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my > bz entry for hal > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) > > If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will > keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? > > Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 > show the right MAC? > > Thanks & good luck. > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new > behavior with > > my Netgear WG511. > > > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because eth1 (the > > prism54) was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then the module > > would load and insert into my wireless network without any > action from me. > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the > correct place > > according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I > > rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able > to upload > > the firmware just fine (which I have now added the rmmod > and modprobe > > to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and still gain access after > > reboot). I updated all packages (including kernel) that > were available > > from yum and the same symptoms are there. I searched > bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > dmesg: > > > > ....... > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > dm at uk.sistina.com > > cdrom: open failed. > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x370-0x377 > > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > > i2c /dev entries driver > > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- End of boot > > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- rmmod prism54 > > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 > > Unloaded prism54 driver > > Loaded prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- modprobe > > prism54 > > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > lspci: > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host > > bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > > 03) > > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) 00:07.0 > > Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) > > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) > > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev > 03) 00:08.0 > > Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev > > 10) > > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 > [Ethernet Pro 100] > > (rev > > 09) > > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent > > Microelectronics) LT WinModem 01:00.0 VGA compatible > controller: ATI > > Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) 06:00.0 Network > > controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism > > Duette] (rev 01) > > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From mpeters at mac.com Fri Oct 22 14:56:45 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:56:45 +0000 Subject: Messages to List - please don't reply to start Message-ID: <1098457005l.11536l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> There seem to be a number of e-mails sent to the lists that are new messages but are sent as a reply to other messages - like people are choosing the "reply to" option, and then just replacing the subject with something new and then putting something new in the body. Please do not do this. Add the appropriate mailing list to your address book and start a new message. When a message comes from the list, there is a header with a message ID in it. The header is called Message-ID. When you reply, your mail client sends the message specifying that it is in response to that Message-ID. This means that people who use e-mail clients that offer a threaded view, your message will end up looking like a response to a message rather than a completely new message. The result is that less people will see your message, because some will not be interested in the particular e-mail you responded to to create your message, resulting in them not bothering to look at responses. It also is a pain for those who are eager to see responses to a particular thread, because then your completely different message shows up in there. With both Evolution and Balsa, and I assume with kmail too, it is trivial to add the mailing list to your address book. If you are having trouble doing so with your mail client, a question to the Fedora Users list can help out. From harald at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 14:57:52 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:57:52 +0200 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <41791E19.9000406@redhat.com> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <41791E19.9000406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <41791FF0.8030001@redhat.com> Harald Hoyer wrote: > Mark Haney wrote: > >> I am really looking forward to installing T3 on my laptop so that I can >> really start using it day to day, my only problem is my test copy just >> does not like to boot consistently. Granted it's running in VMware, but >> it always hangs at starting udev. I've heard bits and pieces concerning >> this, but is this an issue on a non-VMware installed version of T3? >> >> -------------------------------------- >> Mark Haney >> Network Administrator >> InterAct Public Safety Systems >> mhaney at interactsys.com >> Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux >> 09:33:16 up 1:46, 1 user, load average: 2.22, 2.29, 2.80 > > > Workaround for now: press -c > > I am hunting this bug right now.. > > better workaround set udev_log="no" in /etc/udev/udev.conf -- Harald Hoyer, Senior Software Engineer gpg fingerprint E930 20E6 CCF8 C76C 8582 CF9F B7B7 45C2 C557 5542 http://harryh.homelinux.org http://people.redhat.com/harald Red Hat GmbH : http://www.redhat.de From gvc at ocsystems.com Fri Oct 22 14:48:04 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:48:04 -0400 Subject: Up2date package dependency problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41791DA4.9060106@ocsystems.com> TGS wrote: > do a yum --obsolete update First of all, I didn't have yum on my system, probably because I did an upgrade rather than a clean install. This is fixed. I thought that doing yum --obsolete update would fix this problem, but it persists. I run up2date and select gcc alone for upgrading. I get: There was a package dependency problem. The message was: Unresolvable chain of dependencies: jdkgcj-0.2.3-5 requires gcc-java = 3.2.2 How do I get past this? --gvc From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 22 15:18:36 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:18:36 +0000 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot Message-ID: Hi, from a term (as root) just type hal-device-manager & Actually I don't think you need to be root :-) That will open a window with a tree view on the left and a tabbed panel on the right. Open the nodes on the left until you see your PC Cardbus (if you have two slots there are probably two) open those up and find the Intersil ... then on the right click on the advanced tab - that will list all the properties of the card. hal-device-manager is a nice hw inspection GUI. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:52 PM > To: ''For testers of Fedora Core development releases'' > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > This happens in both 2.6.8-1.541 and 2.6.9-1.640 > > However in FC2 with both 2.6.5-1.358 and 2.6.8-1.521 it would load just fine > after PCMCIA started > > In /var/log/messages I do see the failed firmware upload attempts but no > corresponding udev entries: > ..... > Oct 22 08:39:58 m700 kernel: IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > > I have not tried to remove and reinsert the hardware itself after boot, but > I might try that when I get back home tonight. > > I'm a bit new to the hotplug/hal environment myself, could you point me in > the right direction to find the hal-device-manager advanced properties? > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 22 15:19:53 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:19:53 -0400 Subject: What's up with yum? In-Reply-To: References: <1098455678.11112.12.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1098456347.11112.14.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1098458392.11112.30.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > > > | mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-rawhide if you look at that url, you'll see that there are two blank lines at the bottom. The yum in rawhide does not have the regex in place to ignore them. It's fixed in CVS - but the warning message is harmless. -sv From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 15:34:35 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:34:35 -0600 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1098459275.12598.19.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I'm currently running seti, but the > replacement for seti, called boinc (and I forget exectly what that > acronym stands for), [...] Err... "Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing"? Dunno, really, but likely close enough. > Its also doing various areas of medical research, but isn't limited to > that only. Both would seem to be projects that have potential for > the betterment of mankind whereas seti is basicly an itch scratcher. I'd much rather run BOINC, really. The Berkeley people developed quite a bit of experience with the setiathome project which will be useful in developing a better client and a better model to do this. And the setiathome client never bothered me a bit, even running on servers... it had the good sense to know that if it didn't run and hide when something else wanted CPU, I was going to kill it dead. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hcamp at muerte.net Fri Oct 22 15:38:40 2004 From: hcamp at muerte.net (Harold Campbell) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:38:40 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <20041022140228.2761C21662B@pl6500.roadrunn.com> References: <20041022140228.2761C21662B@pl6500.roadrunn.com> Message-ID: <1098459520.4368.7.camel@d159.cdconnect.net> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:05, Neil Gierman wrote: > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct place > according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I > rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able to upload > the firmware just fine (which I have now added the rmmod and modprobe > to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and still gain access after > reboot). I updated all packages (including kernel) that were available > from yum and the same symptoms are there. I searched bugzilla and > didn't see anything on the prism54. > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > I opened bug #129155 some time ago. It applies to FC2 and a minipci card (prism54 chipset). Perhaps the same problem has been extended to FC3 and cardbus. -- Harold Campbell From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 15:44:31 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:44:31 +0200 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1098455691.2692.0.camel@kyrre> ons, 20.10.2004 kl. 23.58 skrev Thomas Zehetbauer: *snip* > I think it would be more important for Fedora to supply a good jabber > client, gaim is nice for ICQ but cannot browse/subscribe/use any jabber > services :-( I could? I just typed in wanted username and hit "subscribe"... From perbj at stanford.edu Fri Oct 22 15:52:49 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:52:49 -0700 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 In-Reply-To: <1098359003.4744.13.camel@anu.eridu> References: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> <20041021001306.GO17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1098359003.4744.13.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 04:43, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 20:13 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > > > Today, I just upgraded from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core 3t3. I have a > > > Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop. After the installation, I noticed that there is > > > support for the Synaptics Touchpad but I am not sure how to configure it. > > > > Try this: > > > > Update rhpl and system-config-display to latest in rawhide first, but > essentially yes this should work: > > > system-config-display --reconfig This isn't actually supposed to let me set what features to use on the touchpad, is it? I mean, after doing this, I get tap-to-click, edge scrolling and working scroll buttons ('mouse wheel' equivalent). However, not everyone wants all the features - e.g. i've been considering whether it wouldn't be more convenient to use the scroll buttons as middle mouse button since I can just use edge-scroll instead, and I know some people who absolutely detest tap-to-click (although I personally hate using a touchpad without it). So some kind of feature-configuration interface would certainly be nice. (I guess it would best be integrated in system-config-mouse?) FC4 material in all likelihood, thanks a lot for getting the touchpads working sanely in any case! /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 16:13:30 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:13:30 -0600 Subject: Awesome job In-Reply-To: <1098210938.20196.52.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1097685426.4834.15.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098210938.20196.52.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098461610.12598.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 14:35 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Some things I like: > > o Insert a USB key and up pops a nautilus window with the files on the > key I'll be damned... I had not seen that. I *do* like that! I had been feeling left out since I had not managed to make that work in earlier OS versions. But I just tried it and it works fine with my little LG 64MB key. Thanks! -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 22 16:18:07 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:18:07 +0000 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot Message-ID: Hi, I just read through your bz. I think that RH should reconsider that patch to the network-functions. There is more than just one agent in the hotplug world. What about the hotplug event that fire while that is running. without normal /sbin/hotplug script directing the flow to the right userspace stuff. I can see lots of possible breakage from the way it is right now. Here is the patch I am referring to --- network-functions 2004-08-25 17:52:38.000000000 +0100 +++ /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions 2004-08-25 17:53:52.000000000 +0100 @@ -179,7 +179,7 @@ return 2 fi HOTPLUG=`cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug` - echo "/bin/true" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug + echo "/etc/hotplug/firmware.agent" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug modprobe $1 > /dev/null 2>&1 || { echo "$HOTPLUG" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug return 1 I don't think this is the right thing to do and HMMM I was missing hotplug events getting to HAL. -- I think we might have found where the real issue is -- HAL or anything else can't see hotplug events that hijacked like this patch does. Andrew Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Campbell [mailto:hcamp at muerte.net] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 03:38 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:05, Neil Gierman wrote: > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct place > > according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I > > rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able to upload > > the firmware just fine (which I have now added the rmmod and modprobe > > to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and still gain access after > > reboot). I updated all packages (including kernel) that were available > > from yum and the same symptoms are there. I searched bugzilla and > > didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > I opened bug #129155 some time ago. It applies to FC2 and a minipci card > (prism54 chipset). Perhaps the same problem has been extended to FC3 and > cardbus. > > -- > Harold Campbell > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Oct 22 16:24:20 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:24:20 +0200 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot References: <20041022140228.2761C21662B@pl6500.roadrunn.com> Message-ID: hi i'm using with my prism gt / prism54 wifi card: ### start wifi network echo echo Starting WiFi Network... echo 20 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout ifup eth2 in rc.local. the echo 20... made the load failure go away for me. guess it is a timing issue with hotplug or something. best lars From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 22 16:27:55 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:27:55 +0000 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot Message-ID: Sorry to reply to my own message, I am wondering if it is now OK to just turn user space notification of hotplugging off the way the script originally did, but putting /bin/true as the usermodehelper. I know David Z has put a patch in hal to deal with missing hotplug events, but should the networking scripts actively try to shut them off. -- I don't think that is a solution. I would put this into your BZ entry Harold, but I don't have my bz password with me. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew [mailto:cmkrnl at speakeasy.net] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 04:18 PM > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > Hi, > > I just read through your bz. I think that RH should reconsider that patch to the network-functions. There is more than just one agent in the hotplug world. What about the hotplug event that fire while that is running. without normal /sbin/hotplug script directing the flow to the right userspace stuff. I can see lots of possible breakage from the way it is right now. > Here is the patch I am referring to > --- network-functions 2004-08-25 17:52:38.000000000 +0100 > +++ /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions 2004-08-25 17:53:52.000000000 +0100 > @@ -179,7 +179,7 @@ > return 2 > fi > HOTPLUG=`cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug` > - echo "/bin/true" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug > + echo "/etc/hotplug/firmware.agent" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug > modprobe $1 > /dev/null 2>&1 || { > echo "$HOTPLUG" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug > return 1 > I don't think this is the right thing to do and HMMM I was missing hotplug events getting to HAL. -- I think we might have found where the real issue is -- HAL or anything else can't see hotplug events that hijacked like this patch does. > > Andrew > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Campbell [mailto:hcamp at muerte.net] > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 03:38 PM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:05, Neil Gierman wrote: > > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not > > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct place > > > according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I > > > rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able to upload > > > the firmware just fine (which I have now added the rmmod and modprobe > > > to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and still gain access after > > > reboot). I updated all packages (including kernel) that were available > > > from yum and the same symptoms are there. I searched bugzilla and > > > didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > > > > I opened bug #129155 some time ago. It applies to FC2 and a minipci card > > (prism54 chipset). Perhaps the same problem has been extended to FC3 and > > cardbus. > > > > -- > > Harold Campbell > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 22 16:45:23 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:45:23 +0000 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars [mailto:terraformers at gmx.net] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 04:24 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > hi > > i'm using with my prism gt / prism54 wifi card: > > ### start wifi network > echo > echo Starting WiFi Network... > echo 20 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout > ifup eth2 Sweet! -- the first 3 plugins since I just did that make the firmware load on the first try --- Yeah Thanks > > in rc.local. > > the echo 20... made the load failure go away for me. > guess it is a timing issue with hotplug or something. > > best > lars > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 17:04:02 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:04:02 -0400 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <20041022140228.2761C21662B@pl6500.roadrunn.com> References: <20041022140228.2761C21662B@pl6500.roadrunn.com> Message-ID: <1098464642.411.0.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:05 -0500, Neil Gierman wrote: > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct place > according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I > rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able to upload > the firmware just fine (which I have now added the rmmod and modprobe > to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and still gain access after > reboot). I updated all packages (including kernel) that were available > from yum and the same symptoms are there. I searched bugzilla and > didn't see anything on the prism54. The real fix for this problem is to upgrade to a version of the udev RPM that's greater than or equal to 0.39-3. A specific fix was put in to deal with this problem in udev in that version. Dan From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 17:09:35 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:09:35 -0400 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098464975.411.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Update to udev-0.39-3 or later. Dan On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:33 +0000, Andrew wrote: > Hi, > > Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could live with it not working during boot. For the record are you running 2.6.9-1.640? > > With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is complete, it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 to 4 times before getting loaded. You should also see in your messages log that the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being removed by udev, for each failed firmware load. > > My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it needs to cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp actually happens. Whether or not anything like udev is involved in that race condition, I don't know, b/c I've not researched it enough to find out --- yet. > > I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about the hotplug environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my bz entry for hal > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) > > If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? > > Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 show the right MAC? > > Thanks & good luck. > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new behavior with my > > Netgear WG511. > > > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because eth1 (the prism54) > > was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then the module would load and > > insert into my wireless network without any action from me. > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not being able > > to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct place according to > > /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a shell I rmmod prism54 and > > modprobe prism54 and it loads and is able to upload the firmware just fine > > (which I have now added the rmmod and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot > > remotely and still gain access after reboot). I updated all packages > > (including kernel) that were available from yum and the same symptoms are > > there. I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > dmesg: > > > > ....... > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: dm at uk.sistina.com > > cdrom: open failed. > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x370-0x377 > > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > > i2c /dev entries driver > > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- End of boot > > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- rmmod prism54 > > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 > > Unloaded prism54 driver > > Loaded prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- modprobe prism54 > > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 > > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > eth1: islpci_open() > > eth1: resetting device... > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > lspci: > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge > > (rev 03) > > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > > 03) > > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > 00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) > > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) > > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) > > 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev > > 10) > > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev > > 09) > > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent Microelectronics) LT > > WinModem > > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M > > AGP 2x (rev 64) > > 06:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism > > GT/Prism Duette] (rev 01) > > > > > > > > > From seandarcy at hotmail.com Fri Oct 22 17:45:57 2004 From: seandarcy at hotmail.com (sean darcy) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:45:57 -0400 Subject: yum fails with dep. update-gtk-immodules Message-ID: I get this error from yum update: --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: /usr/bin/update-gtk-immodules for package: gnome-utils --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: /usr/bin/update-gtk-immodules for pkg gnome-utils I get the same error from yum --exclude=gnome-utils update. But: rpm -qif /usr/bin/update-gtk-immodules Name : gtk2 Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 2.4.13 Vendor: Red Hat, Inc. Release : 2 Build Date: Wed 20 Oct 2004 12:54:53 ................. So I got both gtk2 and gnome-utils from fedora. Both installed without a problem. rpm -q gtk2 gnome-utils gtk2-2.4.13-2 gnome-utils-2.8.0-5 FWIW, yum does not show gnome-utils on its list of updates. Is there a way to tell yum to forget about this dependency? Or is it telling me something I really need to know? sean From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 17:58:06 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:58:06 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken Message-ID: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Hey, everyone: I've gone ahead and filed this as Bug #136846, but I wanted to also post it to the list as an FYI. Changed to the active devices in one profile in system-config-network (1.3.22-1) are being saved to ALL profiles, effectively making profiles useless since you always get the same devices no matter what you try. I've seen this behavior for the last two weeks or so, but had not really had the time to test it and report it until now. I would guess that this is something that deserves attention in time for the FC3 release (or an immediate update) since it's going to affect quite a few laptop owners. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136846 Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 18:00:42 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:00:42 -0600 Subject: Disappearing/reappearing network devices Message-ID: <1098468043.12455.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Hey: For the last few days, every time I reboot I get a kudzu popup that my wireless card (which is built into the notebook) has been removed. Of course, that is followed by an immediate second popup that it has been added to the system. Selecting "Do Nothing" does the right thing, but "Remove" then "Keep" is a PITA since I then have to go and redo my entire system-config-network setup. This never happened with FC1 nor did it happen with FC3-T2 until maybe three days ago. Now, it won't go away. Any hints, or is this a bug? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 22 18:07:17 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:07:17 +0000 Subject: Disappearing/reappearing network devices Message-ID: udev-039-3 came out about 3 days ago. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodolfo J. Paiz [mailto:rpaiz at simpaticus.com] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 06:00 PM > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Disappearing/reappearing network devices > > Hey: > > For the last few days, every time I reboot I get a kudzu popup that my > wireless card (which is built into the notebook) has been removed. Of > course, that is followed by an immediate second popup that it has been > added to the system. > > Selecting "Do Nothing" does the right thing, but "Remove" then "Keep" is > a PITA since I then have to go and redo my entire system-config-network > setup. > > This never happened with FC1 nor did it happen with FC3-T2 until maybe > three days ago. Now, it won't go away. Any hints, or is this a bug? > > Cheers, > > -- > Rodolfo J. Paiz > From ngierman at roadrunn.com Fri Oct 22 18:20:38 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:20:38 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <1098464975.411.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041022181709.2DAB41AF48@pl6500.roadrunn.com> I am at udev-039-3 :( > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Williams > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 12:10 > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > Update to udev-0.39-3 or later. > > Dan > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:33 +0000, Andrew wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad > to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could live > with it not working during boot. For the record are you > running 2.6.9-1.640? > > > > With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is > complete, it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 to 4 > times before getting loaded. You should also see in your > messages log that the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being > removed by udev, for each failed firmware load. > > > > My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs > interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it > needs to cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp > actually happens. Whether or not anything like udev is > involved in that race condition, I don't know, b/c I've not > researched it enough to find out --- yet. > > > > I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about > the hotplug > > environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my bz > entry for hal > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) > > > > If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will > keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? > > > > Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 > show the right MAC? > > > > Thanks & good luck. > > Andrew > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new > behavior with > > > my Netgear WG511. > > > > > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because > eth1 (the > > > prism54) was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then the module > > > would load and insert into my wireless network without > any action from me. > > > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains about not > > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct > > > place according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As soon as get a > > > shell I rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads > and is able > > > to upload the firmware just fine (which I have now added > the rmmod > > > and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and still gain > > > access after reboot). I updated all packages (including > kernel) that > > > were available from yum and the same symptoms are there. > I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > > > dmesg: > > > > > > ....... > > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > > > dm at uk.sistina.com > > > cdrom: open failed. > > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > > > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 0x370-0x377 > > > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > > > i2c /dev entries driver > > > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- > End of boot > > > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- rmmod prism54 > > > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 > > > Unloaded prism54 driver > > > Loaded prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- > modprobe > > > prism54 > > > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, > low) -> IRQ 11 > > > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > lspci: > > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host > > > bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > > 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > > > 03) > > > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev > 03) 00:07.0 > > > Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > IDE (rev 01) > > > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > USB (rev 01) > > > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) > > > 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology > ES1978 Maestro > > > 2E (rev > > > 10) > > > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro > > > 100] (rev > > > 09) > > > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent > > > Microelectronics) LT WinModem 01:00.0 VGA compatible > controller: ATI > > > Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) > 06:00.0 Network > > > controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism > > > Duette] (rev 01) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 18:37:06 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:37:06 -0600 Subject: Disappearing/reappearing network devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098470226.12455.20.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 18:07 +0000, Andrew wrote: > udev-039-3 came out about 3 days ago. Andrew, It's much easier to find text if you don't top-post; I had just about deleted your message since I couldn't easily find what you added. That being said, forgive me if I don't understand your message. Are you saying udev might have caused the problem? That this version would have fixed that problem? Any other possible interpretations? If you're suggesting that 039-3 might have fixed it, then no... my system is currently up-to-date with 039-6 and I still have that behavior. If -3 might have broken it... well OK, but now what? How do I help track this problem so it gets fixed? Other than filing a bug which says "umm... it broke" I don't have a clue what else to do. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. 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I thought you had said in your message that it seemed to be happening for the last 3 days. I've not done my updates today, but an rpm -qi udev gave me an install date (for udev-039-3) of Oct 19, 2004 which is 3 days ago (for me). In another thread (my error again - since that was on a different but topic but still dealing with boot-time issues of wireless cards) Dan Williams said the fix to other wireless network card issue (on boot up) was FIXED by udev-039-3. Rather than go back to the Build System reports from the -devel- list, I thought I would just share that fact (as the timing seemed close). Obviously since you are running 39-6 that does not apply. Sorry again. I am going to shut up now. Andrew From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 18:55:59 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:55:59 -0600 Subject: Disappearing/reappearing network devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098471359.12455.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 18:51 +0000, Andrew wrote: > Sorry about that. I thought you had said in your > message that it seemed to be happening for the > last 3 days. I've not done my updates today, but > an rpm -qi udev gave me an install date (for > udev-039-3) of Oct 19, 2004 which is 3 days ago Don't worry about it, I see your point now. Unforch, it (whatever "it" is) is still broke, and udev-039-6 has not fixed it if indeed -3 may have broken it. I am *not* an experienced developer or tester. Any idea what information I can attempt to gather that might help find and squash this bug? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From terraformers at gmx.net Fri Oct 22 18:57:20 2004 From: terraformers at gmx.net (Lars) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:57:20 +0200 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot References: Message-ID: !! :) L Andrew wrote: > Sweet! -- the first 3 plugins since I just did that make the firmware > load on the first try --- Yeah > > Thanks From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 19:01:41 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:01:41 +0200 Subject: Prism 2.5 / orinoco driver fails under load In-Reply-To: <1098452481.30232.5.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <7ebb24d104102119132eb1c62f@mail.gmail.com> <1098452481.30232.5.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098467820.2692.4.camel@kyrre> As far as i know, the bugzilla component of a driver is "kernel". fre, 22.10.2004 kl. 15.41 skrev Dan Williams: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 23:13 -0300, Ben Steeves wrote: > > Hiya, > > > > I'm running Fedora Core Test 3 with all the latest updates (kernel > > 2.6.9-1.639) on an IBM T30 laptop. For the most part, things work > > great, but I'm having problem with my wireless (the built-in). I used > > to have this problem with FC1, but with FC2 it had gone away. The > > problem is this: > > What's the model of the card you use? > > 1) if its PCMCIA/PCCard, can you give the output of 'cardctl ident' > 2) If its onboard miniPCI, can you give the output of 'lspci' > 3) If its cardbus, can you give the output of 'lspci' > > That might help a bit. Note that you also might have a bad firmware > version? Unfortunately with the orninco/WaveLAN cards, firmware > versions are not all guaranteed to work under Linux, but most should. > > Dan From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 19:02:34 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:02:34 +0200 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> fre, 22.10.2004 kl. 15.48 skrev Gene Heskett: > On Friday 22 October 2004 02:38, Tom Taylor wrote: > >On Thursday 21 October 2004 21:21, joelbryan wrote: > >> Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at > >> Folding at Home? > >> > >> -- > >> Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > >> Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > >> Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > >> Distro = Fedora Core > >> Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > >> Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb > >> Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > >> Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless > > > >Hmmm: > > Folding. Is this like an origami party? Or perhaps an envelope > > stuffing afair? > > > > Home. Whose? Why? Where? When? > > > >Hee, hee, hee says he while ducking the tomatoes. > > > >Tom > > Its a program to study how proteins fold as they combine to make the > end products chemically. It has quite far reaching implications in > the development of new drugs. Such research requires the sort of > processing power thats only available from the organisational aspect > of something like setiathome. I'm currently running seti, but the > replacement for seti, called boinc (and I forget exectly what that > acronym stands for), I will probably convert to when seti runs down. > Its also doing various areas of medical research, but isn't limited to > that only. Both would seem to be projects that have potential for > the betterment of mankind whereas seti is basicly an itch scratcher. Who gets the benifit of this research? Anybody-who-wants-to-download-the-result, or some multi-billion pharmaneutical reseach company that will use it only for own profit? From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 19:03:30 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:03:30 +0200 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed In-Reply-To: <604aa791041021220379d29806@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041022021336.0531D740A9@hormel.redhat.com> <1098420286.22609.17.camel@localhost> <604aa791041021220379d29806@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098468366.2692.12.camel@kyrre> Something i have noticed quite a few times, is that you open a bug for something, then some months after that, you forget it, and even more months after that the developer(s) are starting to ask questions. Which you cant ansver at all, since a way to long time has gone for you to even remember which machine it was. Not to be evil, but i think gnome bugzilla is worst at this... Kyrre fre, 22.10.2004 kl. 07.03 skrev Jeff Spaleta: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:44:46 -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote: > > Is it considered proper Bugzilla etiquette for an average user (i.e. > > non-developer) to close bugs that that same user opened? I personally > > have bugs that I have opened that have been fixed (either collaterally > > or directly ... regardless, what was broken worksforme now) with no > > comment in the bug from anyone. > > If you opened it and it works now and the maintainer never changed its > state or commented...close it using the resolution that makes the most > sense. For change in behavior brought about by installing an update.. > close it as currentrelease. > > -jef From rtoledo2002 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 22 19:09:50 2004 From: rtoledo2002 at yahoo.com (Roman Toledo) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: kernel-2.6.9 switchroot: mount failed: 22 anyone testing this yet on their own? Message-ID: <20041022190950.41384.qmail@web60504.mail.yahoo.com> I downloaded the latest kernel from kernel.org and was trying to compile it, using the make oldconfig copied over from .624 and I get the error on the subject line. I've gone thru it several times using xconfig (fist time using that, I use menuconfig regularly) and keep getting that error. anyways it looks somewhat similar to bugzilla #129667 and # 129120 but it's not a exact match. I was not allowed to read #102734 something about not having permission to do so. From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 22 19:10:02 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:10:02 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org>; from rpaiz@simpaticus.com on Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 11:58:06AM -0600 References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 11:58:06AM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Hey, everyone: > > I've gone ahead and filed this as Bug #136846, This does not seem to be much different from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90171 where I was basically told that things are like they should be and if every "uninitiated" user trips on the same issues then tough. Or there is some new twist in #136846 which I am missing? Michal From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 19:11:09 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:11:09 -0600 Subject: How to change "Red Hat" menu Message-ID: <1098472269.12455.34.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Hi! I would like to have only the Red Hat show up in my panel as it used to, and have all the choices (apps and actions) listed within it. However, I cannot find anywhere/anyhow to make that change and the two separate "Applications" and "Actions" menus take up way too much space. Does anyone know how I can change that? Thanks in advance, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora at leemhuis.info Fri Oct 22 19:10:40 2004 From: fedora at leemhuis.info (Thorsten Leemhuis) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:10:40 +0200 Subject: libata patches In-Reply-To: <013701c4b867$95b38910$0c01a8c0@nugget> References: <013701c4b867$95b38910$0c01a8c0@nugget> Message-ID: <1098472241.3125.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Am Freitag, den 22.10.2004, 11:47 -0700 schrieb James C. Bevier: > There is a patch to libata up on kernel.org in Jeff Garzik's directory that > will allow the use of PATA drives on the Promise 378 controller. Is there a > chance that this patch will find its way into Fedora Core 3? I sure would > like to be able to see the two 160 GB drives I have on the controller under > Fedora. There is a SATA-Patch in the newest Kernel (2.6.9-1.640) AFAIK. Look in the SRPM and see if that fits your needs. If not, it's to late now (I think). HTH CU -- Thorsten Leemhuis From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 19:09:30 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:09:30 +0200 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 In-Reply-To: <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> <20041021001306.GO17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1098359003.4744.13.camel@anu.eridu> <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098472170.2692.19.camel@kyrre> > FC4 material in all > likelihood, thanks a lot for getting the touchpads working sanely in any > case! Or update? :D From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Fri Oct 22 19:17:29 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:17:29 +0100 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <200410222017.30189.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Friday 22 October 2004 18:58, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > I've gone ahead and filed this as Bug #136846, but I wanted to also post > it to the list as an FYI. Changed to the active devices in one profile > in system-config-network (1.3.22-1) are being saved to ALL profiles, > effectively making profiles useless since you always get the same > devices no matter what you try. Also, whenever I change my profile it changes my hostname to "localhost" which with my setup means all email sent to me is rejected. (I'm using uucp.) Actually, i find the screens in System Settings=>Network and Network Tools=>Network Device Control rather confusing. It is not clear (to me) what belongs to the Profiles and what belongs to the logical device(s). -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Fri Oct 22 19:42:41 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:42:41 +0100 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <1098430106.13607.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> <1098430106.13607.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <200410222042.41967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Friday 22 October 2004 08:28, Nils Philippsen wrote: > then "init 3; sleep 2; init 5" to get your gdm/kdm/xdm nudged. Is this the only way to restart X? Why isn't there a servce X which one can restart:? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From jdennis at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 19:47:56 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:47:56 -0400 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <200410222042.41967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> <1098430106.13607.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <200410222042.41967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098474476.10799.3106.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 15:42, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Friday 22 October 2004 08:28, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > then "init 3; sleep 2; init 5" to get your gdm/kdm/xdm nudged. > > Is this the only way to restart X? > Why isn't there a servce X which one can restart:? Because its tied to the display manager which is tied to user logins, which is tied to the run level. Services don't change run levels, services exist within run levels. -- John Dennis From ngierman at roadrunn.com Fri Oct 22 19:52:22 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:52:22 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <20041022181709.2DAB41AF48@pl6500.roadrunn.com> Message-ID: <20041022194957.CBFAB5013D@pl6500.roadrunn.com> Just updated to udev-039-6 with same symptoms. > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Neil Gierman > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 13:21 > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > I am at udev-039-3 :( > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > Dan Williams > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 12:10 > > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > Update to udev-0.39-3 or later. > > > > Dan > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:33 +0000, Andrew wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad > > to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could > live with it > > not working during boot. For the record are you running 2.6.9-1.640? > > > > > > With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is > > complete, it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 to 4 times > > before getting loaded. You should also see in your > messages log that > > the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being removed by udev, for each > > failed firmware load. > > > > > > My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs > > interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it > needs to > > cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp actually > happens. > > Whether or not anything like udev is involved in that race > condition, > > I don't know, b/c I've not researched it enough to find out --- yet. > > > > > > I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about > > the hotplug > > > environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my bz > > entry for hal > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) > > > > > > If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will > > keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? > > > > > > Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 > > show the right MAC? > > > > > > Thanks & good luck. > > > Andrew > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new > > behavior with > > > > my Netgear WG511. > > > > > > > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because > > eth1 (the > > > > prism54) was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then > the module > > > > would load and insert into my wireless network without > > any action from me. > > > > > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains > about not > > > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in the correct > > > > place according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As > soon as get a > > > > shell I rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads > > and is able > > > > to upload the firmware just fine (which I have now added > > the rmmod > > > > and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and > still gain > > > > access after reboot). I updated all packages (including > > kernel) that > > > > were available from yum and the same symptoms are there. > > I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > > > > > dmesg: > > > > > > > > ....... > > > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > > > > dm at uk.sistina.com > > > > cdrom: open failed. > > > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > > > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > > > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > > > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > > > > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > > > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 > 0x370-0x377 > > > > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > > > > i2c /dev entries driver > > > > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- > > End of boot > > > > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- rmmod prism54 > > > > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 Unloaded prism54 > driver Loaded > > > > prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- > > modprobe > > > > prism54 > > > > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, > > low) -> IRQ 11 > > > > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > > > lspci: > > > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host > > > > bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > > > 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > > > > 03) > > > > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > > > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev > > 03) 00:07.0 > > > > Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > > > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > IDE (rev 01) > > > > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > USB (rev 01) > > > > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) > > > > 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology > > ES1978 Maestro > > > > 2E (rev > > > > 10) > > > > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 > [Ethernet Pro > > > > 100] (rev > > > > 09) > > > > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent > > > > Microelectronics) LT WinModem 01:00.0 VGA compatible > > controller: ATI > > > > Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) > > 06:00.0 Network > > > > controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 > [Prism GT/Prism > > > > Duette] (rev 01) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From jonathansavage at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 19:53:37 2004 From: jonathansavage at gmail.com (Jon Savage) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:53:37 -0700 Subject: Disappearing/reappearing network devices In-Reply-To: <1098471359.12455.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098471359.12455.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <2ad7cea104102212537d588cd6@mail.gmail.com> > I am *not* an experienced developer or tester. Any idea what information > I can attempt to gather that might help find and squash this bug? First check https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Fedora core 3 test 3 to ascertain whether this has been reported as a bug. If it has then a workaround/solution might already exist. Otherwise create a bugzilla account and then go to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi. This will walk you through the process of creating a new bug. -- Bests, Jon From gserack at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 20:03:23 2004 From: gserack at gmail.com (Garrett Serack) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:03:23 -0600 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> BING! You have correctly answered "Scams" for $1000. > Who gets the benifit of this research? > Anybody-who-wants-to-download-the-result, or some multi-billion > pharmaneutical reseach company that will use it only for own profit? My feelings exactly. Even if it's not some multi-billion pharmaneutical reseach company, the researchers would certainly sell-out to a multi-billion pharmaneutical reseach company. > >> Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at > >> Folding at Home? Oh think of the Science! for the love of god Somebody think of the Science! :p From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 20:03:30 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:03:30 +0200 Subject: Awesome job In-Reply-To: <1098461610.12598.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1097685426.4834.15.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098210938.20196.52.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098461610.12598.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098472218.2692.21.camel@kyrre> And even better - it *magically* goes away when you pull it out (nice to know if you have stupid users...) fre, 22.10.2004 kl. 18.13 skrev Rodolfo J. Paiz: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 14:35 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > Some things I like: > > > > o Insert a USB key and up pops a nautilus window with the files on the > > key > > I'll be damned... I had not seen that. I *do* like that! I had > been feeling left out since I had not managed to make that work in > earlier OS versions. But I just tried it and it works fine with my > little LG 64MB key. > > Thanks! From alex at darkhonor.com Fri Oct 22 20:46:34 2004 From: alex at darkhonor.com (Alex Ackerman) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:46:34 -0400 Subject: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 Message-ID: I am having a problem booting my Rawhide system after the latest round of updates. The system will not boot beyond "Configuring kernel parameters: ". I booted with a LiveCD to check the log files to see if there was any info there, but the problem is occuring prior to the syslog facility coming up. SELinux is operational using the strict policy. I changed /boot/grub/grub.conf to set selinux to permissive mode to see what errors popped up. 4 messages come up: avc: denied { use } for pid=7333 exe=/sbin/minilogd path=/init dev=rootfs ino=19 scontext=system_u:system_r:syslogd_t tcontext=system_u:system_r:kernel_t tclass=fd avc: denied { read } for pid=7333 exe=/sbin/minilogd path=/init dev=rootfs ino=19 scontext=system_u:system_r:syslogd_t tcontext=system_u:system_r:root_t tclass=fd avc: denied { read } for pid=7337 exe=/bin/dmesg name=ld.so.cache dev=hda3 ino=2431750 scontext=system_u:system_r:dmesg_t tcontext=root:object_r:etc_t tclass=file avc: denied { getattr } for pid=7337 exe=/bin/dmesg name=ld.so.cache dev=hda3 ino=2431750 scontext=system_u:system_r:dmesg_t tcontext=root:object_r:etc_t tclass=file The system is an HP Pavillion zt3200. Unfortunately, I am unable to reboot the system since I got rid of the last working kernel (548)--I had forgotten that 610 didn't work either. I haven't found anything on this list, so I'm figuring it was a bad mkinitrd run or something like that. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated (especially those that involve saving the system without rebuilding ;) Alex Ackerman http://www.darkhonor.com I just found out I still have the rpm for 2.6.8-1.521 available on the system if it is possible to install it to my system via the Gentoo LiveCD that I have. I also can get any other LiveCD dist if it's publically downloadable. Any chances for a Fedora-based one? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 22 20:42:50 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:42:50 -0600 Subject: Awesome job In-Reply-To: <1098472218.2692.21.camel@kyrre>; from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:03:30PM +0200 References: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1097685426.4834.15.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098210938.20196.52.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098461610.12598.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098472218.2692.21.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <20041022144250.A29131@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:03:30PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > And even better - it *magically* goes away when you pull it out (nice to > know if you have stupid users...) I am not so sure if you will be so pleased if your _data_ will also *magically* go away if you were writing to this stick and pulled it out without unmounting it first. You may also end up with a corrupted file system on that stick for additional attractions. In case you do not know 'umount' is flushing buffers. If you were not writing to removable media then most likely nothing bad will happen. I was already pondering a bit to myself some time ago if encouraging an uninformed behaviour is such great move. Unfortunately only CDs are locking drive doors and those are really safe here. A long time ago a floppy on a NeXT machine would not allow you to grab a mounted floppy other than with a help of a straightened paper clip. :-) Michal From davej at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 20:45:24 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:45:24 -0400 Subject: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041022204524.GE8413@redhat.com> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:46:34PM -0400, Alex Ackerman wrote: [please wrap lines before 79 columns] > I am having a problem booting my Rawhide system after the latest round of > updates. The system will not boot beyond "Configuring kernel parameters: ". This sounds like the recent X/rhgb bug. Remove rhgb from the boot command line, and see if it solves the problem. If so, update your xorg/rhgb packages, and it should be fixed. Dave From gvc at ocsystems.com Fri Oct 22 20:53:34 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:53:34 -0400 Subject: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 In-Reply-To: <20041022204524.GE8413@redhat.com> References: <20041022204524.GE8413@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4179734E.1060203@ocsystems.com> Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:46:34PM -0400, Alex Ackerman wrote: > > [please wrap lines before 79 columns] > > > I am having a problem booting my Rawhide system after the latest round of > > updates. The system will not boot beyond "Configuring kernel parameters: ". > > This sounds like the recent X/rhgb bug. Remove rhgb from the boot > command line, and see if it solves the problem. If so, update > your xorg/rhgb packages, and it should be fixed. My T23 hangs at random places during the boot process if I boot with kernel 2.6.9-1.640. rhgb is nowhere to be seen. Sometimes it will get as far as starting the graphical login, then can only be brought back with a power-off restart. 2.6.8-1.603 treats me much better. --gvc From guy at incentre.net Fri Oct 22 21:20:47 2004 From: guy at incentre.net (Guy Fraser) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:20:47 -0600 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> Garrett Serack wrote: >BING! You have correctly answered "Scams" for $1000. > > >>Who gets the benifit of this research? >>Anybody-who-wants-to-download-the-result, or some multi-billion >>pharmaneutical reseach company that will use it only for own profit? >> >> >My feelings exactly. Even if it's not some multi-billion >pharmaneutical reseach company, the researchers would certainly >sell-out to a multi-billion pharmaneutical reseach company. > > >>>>Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at >>>>Folding at Home? >>>> >>>> >Oh think of the Science! for the love of god Somebody think of the Science! > >:p > > It's not that I don't care about humanity and science, but the pharmaceutical companies that will benefit seem to care more about profits than humanity. Many if not most of the scientists are likely more concerned about humanity, but they don't run the companies or market the products. So for now I will just help look for extraterrestrials, but I've always wondered about what I win if my computer finds one. ;-) -- Guy Fraser From mpeters at mac.com Fri Oct 22 21:25:43 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:25:43 +0000 Subject: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 In-Reply-To: <20041022204524.GE8413@redhat.com> (from davej@redhat.com on Fri Oct 22 13:45:24 2004) References: <20041022204524.GE8413@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098480343l.11536l.5l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/22/2004 01:45:24 PM, Dave Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:46:34PM -0400, Alex Ackerman wrote: > > [please wrap lines before 79 columns] > > > I am having a problem booting my Rawhide system after the latest > round of > > updates. The system will not boot beyond "Configuring kernel > parameters: ". > > This sounds like the recent X/rhgb bug. Remove rhgb from the boot > command line, and see if it solves the problem. If so, update > your xorg/rhgb packages, and it should be fixed. The problem is probably xfree86 - and thus by extension rhgb. You can probably boot without rhgb - but you probably can't get X going (and that's why rhgb fails) [mpeters at devel ~]$ ldd /usr/bin/rhgb libvte.so.4 => /usr/lib/libvte.so.4 (0x03450000) libncurses.so.5 => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x038c6000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x0085e000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x00844000) libXft.so.2 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x00994000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x006c8000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x008ab000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x007a1000) libXrender.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00956000) libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x009d6000) libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00960000) libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00c8c000) libatk-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x009ba000) libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x00914000) libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x0069d000) libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 (0x00988000) libpangox-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0 (0x009a8000) libpango-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x00d2d000) libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x00868000) libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x008a6000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x006c2000) libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x007b3000) libpopt.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0 (0x00d65000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x00574000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00791000) libexpat.so.0 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 (0x00935000) libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x009b5000) libXi.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x0092b000) libXinerama.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0x0098f000) libXcursor.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXcursor.so.1 (0x00cfa000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x0055b000) libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x00d05000) [mpeters at devel ~]$ Am I the only one bothered by that many dependencies in something that is used as the system boots? From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 21:29:43 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:29:43 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <200410222017.30189.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <200410222017.30189.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098480583.12455.50.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 20:17 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Actually, i find the screens in System Settings=>Network > and Network Tools=>Network Device Control rather confusing. > It is not clear (to me) what belongs to the Profiles > and what belongs to the logical device(s). > I fully agree that it is confusing. In fact it is one of only two or three things in Linux *ever* which were so confusing I had to read the help docs. But at least it used to *work*. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 21:32:21 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:32:21 +0200 Subject: Awesome job In-Reply-To: <20041022144250.A29131@mail.harddata.com> References: <1097641686.26989.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1097685426.4834.15.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098210938.20196.52.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098461610.12598.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098472218.2692.21.camel@kyrre> <20041022144250.A29131@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098480741.5230.6.camel@kyrre> fre, 22.10.2004 kl. 22.42 skrev Michal Jaegermann: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:03:30PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > And even better - it *magically* goes away when you pull it out (nice to > > know if you have stupid users...) > > I am not so sure if you will be so pleased if your _data_ will also > *magically* go away if you were writing to this stick and pulled it > out without unmounting it first. You may also end up with a > corrupted file system on that stick for additional attractions. > In case you do not know 'umount' is flushing buffers. If you were > not writing to removable media then most likely nothing bad will > happen. I know. But these mostly come from the windows world, and if you say "mount" to them (even the geekier ones), they look at you as you just landed from mars. But they (hopfully) know too "not pull it out when it is blinking", and if they still do and the memplug become wastebasket-ready (or acctually just need a reformat, bu to them, a reformat is what they get the neighbouthood geek to do when they windows pc has gone to hell. (i am utterly conviced that windows pc's that die go to hell, not heaven...)) - that is not my problem. But it would be my problem if the next user (given that nobody pushed "reboot" in the meantime) could not mount his/her usb-thingy, 'cus some other stupid idiot didn't know how to "unmount". Its mountet sync anyway. (data get written imediatly) > > I was already pondering a bit to myself some time ago if encouraging > an uninformed behaviour is such great move. Unfortunately only CDs > are locking drive doors and those are really safe here. A long time > ago a floppy on a NeXT machine would not allow you to grab a mounted > floppy other than with a help of a straightened paper clip. :-) > You know what? I would *love* that. Think old mac's had it as well. You would just drag the little floppy to the wastebasket, and a moment later, it would come out all by itself... Now if only the "eject" button on the cd-rom could tell dbus to tell gnome-volume-manager to umount and eject... Kyrre From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Oct 22 21:36:29 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! Message-ID: There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ Please try to break it. Especially interesting are bugs in the kernel, and any installer bugs resulting from kernel changes. Have fun, -- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 22 21:34:19 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:34:19 +0200 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> Message-ID: <1098480858.5230.9.camel@kyrre> fre, 22.10.2004 kl. 23.20 skrev Guy Fraser: > Garrett Serack wrote: > > >BING! You have correctly answered "Scams" for $1000. > > > > > >>Who gets the benifit of this research? > >>Anybody-who-wants-to-download-the-result, or some multi-billion > >>pharmaneutical reseach company that will use it only for own profit? > >> > >> > >My feelings exactly. Even if it's not some multi-billion > >pharmaneutical reseach company, the researchers would certainly > >sell-out to a multi-billion pharmaneutical reseach company. > > > > > >>>>Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at > >>>>Folding at Home? > >>>> > >>>> > >Oh think of the Science! for the love of god Somebody think of the Science! > > > >:p > > > > > It's not that I don't care about humanity and science, but the > pharmaceutical > companies that will benefit seem to care more about profits than humanity. > Many if not most of the scientists are likely more concerned about > humanity, but they don't run the companies or market the products. Yup. Couldn't there be some "free science licence" similar to the GPL? I would love to use cycles on something like that. > So for now I will just help look for extraterrestrials, but I've always > wondered > about what I win if my computer finds one. ;-) A black suite and a free MIB training cource ;) From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 21:46:36 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:46:36 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 13:10 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > This does not seem to be much different from > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90171 > where I was basically told that things are like they should > be and if every "uninitiated" user trips on the same issues > then tough. Or there is some new twist in #136846 which > I am missing? From rom reading that bug just now I would say you caught redhat-config- network in its early stages where it really didn't work. By the time we got to FC1, however, I used it heavily and it *did* work. Confusing, as Timothy just said, but it worked. Basically, this is how it works. You have two devices (ferinstance): eth0 and wlan0. Note that this discussion ignores the loopback adapter (lo) since that should *always* be active in all profiles. So you want eth0 to get DHCP at work but get a static address at home, and you want wlan0 activated only at school. So you create three profiles: Work, Home, and School. Now, since you only need one configuration for wlan0, you can edit that device's configuration to whatever you want and leave it there. Select the School profile, set that device to be active (and the others to inactive), then save changes. Now selecting the School profile and commanding "service network restart" will get you *only* the wlan0 device in the config you set up. Since you need *two* configurations for eth0, you need to copy the device. I would choose to copy once to create eth0Home and leave eth0 for Work (since eth0 is DHCP and fully-automatic, I can also use the Work profile in other places). However, for the sake of argument I'll mention that you *could* copy eth0 twice to create eth0Home and eth0Work and then edit those devices instead. You now select the Home profile. Edit the eth0Home device to have the configuration you want, then set *only* that device to be active in that profile. Save changes. Again... select the Work profile. Configure eth0 (or eth0Work if you went that path) as you wish, and make sure eth0 is the only device set active for that profile. Save changes. You can now use System Tools -> Network to select a profile and activate/deactivate devices. "service network restart" will do what you want according to the profile selected. You can add "netprofile=Work" to the end of the "kernel" line in your grub.conf to have that profile activated when booting, making it easy to have three boot options for your respective profiles. Piece of cake once you get the hang of it. Not the best UI design I've ever seen, especially in that the list of devices isn't that clear, you can't sort devices, the profiles are hidden in a menu when which profile I'm editing is *CRITICAL* knowledge, etc. Certainly could use lots of improvement in the UI. But whatever... it used to work (in FC1 days), and it is now broken. Now you can configure all the devices you want, but whatever devices you set to be *active* in one profile are now active in ALL profiles. So you basically only have one profile. :-( Make sense? It does look to me to be very different from what your bug noted (and by the way, I'd be very confident in marking that bug as closed or currentversion or whatever, since it no longer destroys the rest of the system). Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:59:01 -0600 Subject: Disappearing/reappearing network devices In-Reply-To: <2ad7cea104102212537d588cd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098471359.12455.28.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <2ad7cea104102212537d588cd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098482341.12455.74.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 12:53 -0700, Jon Savage wrote: > > I am *not* an experienced developer or tester. Any idea what information > > I can attempt to gather that might help find and squash this bug? > > First check https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ [...] Err, thanks for the good intentions. I do know how to create a bug (thought I mentioned that earlier), but what I meant was that, in this case, I would not know what information to gather from my system which could help in finding the problem. I wouldn't really be sure against what component to file the bug, either. Bottom line, in this case all I know is "it broke" but don't have the knowledge to file a *useful* bug. 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In-Reply-To: <1098482241.9229.29.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> References: <1098482241.9229.29.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> Message-ID: <1098482503.12455.76.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 16:57 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:36 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > > I get a host not found for testing.fedora.redhat.com. > So do I. And I can't get FTP access to Duke, either. :-( Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From xander at harkness.co.uk Fri Oct 22 22:18:47 2004 From: xander at harkness.co.uk (Xander D Harkness) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:18:47 +0100 Subject: Still can't get X to start after latest up2date In-Reply-To: <200410222042.41967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4178B02D.4020306@redhat.com> <1098430106.13607.4.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> <200410222042.41967.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <41798747.1090603@harkness.co.uk> Timothy Murphy wrote: >On Friday 22 October 2004 08:28, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > >>then "init 3; sleep 2; init 5" to get your gdm/kdm/xdm nudged. >> >> > >Is this the only way to restart X? >Why isn't there a servce X which one can restart:? > > Just hit CTRL+ALT+Backspace Kind regards Xander From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 22 22:25:03 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:25:03 -0400 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> References: <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <200410221825.03578.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 22 October 2004 15:02, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: >fre, 22.10.2004 kl. 15.48 skrev Gene Heskett: >> On Friday 22 October 2004 02:38, Tom Taylor wrote: >> >On Thursday 21 October 2004 21:21, joelbryan wrote: >> >> Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at >> >> Folding at Home? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes >> >> Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany >> >> Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 >> >> Distro = Fedora Core >> >> Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML >> >> Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb >> >> Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit >> >> Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless >> > >> >Hmmm: >> > Folding. Is this like an origami party? Or perhaps an envelope >> > stuffing afair? >> > >> > Home. Whose? Why? Where? When? >> > >> >Hee, hee, hee says he while ducking the tomatoes. >> > >> >Tom >> >> Its a program to study how proteins fold as they combine to make >> the end products chemically. It has quite far reaching >> implications in the development of new drugs. Such research >> requires the sort of processing power thats only available from >> the organisational aspect of something like setiathome. I'm >> currently running seti, but the replacement for seti, called boinc >> (and I forget exectly what that acronym stands for), I will >> probably convert to when seti runs down. Its also doing various >> areas of medical research, but isn't limited to that only. Both >> would seem to be projects that have potential for the betterment >> of mankind whereas seti is basicly an itch scratcher. > >Who gets the benifit of this research? >Anybody-who-wants-to-download-the-result, or some multi-billion >pharmaneutical reseach company that will use it only for own profit? That was, (std disclaimer here) the last I read, still up in the air. Being a bit paranoid, if there are profits to be made from something my machine helps to discover, it only seems right that I should get a pittance for the electric bill or better yet, a royalty check from time to time. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Fri Oct 22 22:25:26 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:25:26 -0300 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> Message-ID: <1098483926.11216.10.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Sex, 2004-10-22 ?s 18:20, Guy Fraser escreveu: > So for now I will just help look for extraterrestrials, but I've always > wondered > about what I win if my computer finds one. ;-) The only thing keep giving me is a certificate at each year of cpu-time.. It's written somewhere in the site that if they find something, we will not be warned. -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 22:26:56 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:26:56 -0400 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> Message-ID: <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:59:19 -0400, David Dollar wrote: > Anyone else experiencing this? Bah! I can't reproduce this anymore. after implementing the workaround and trying to revert back to a broken situation. If you are still seeing this problem run strace yum check-update save the strace output and file a bug in bugzilla with the output from strace as an attachment -jef From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 22 22:27:07 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:27:07 -0400 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> References: <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> Message-ID: <200410221827.07627.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 22 October 2004 17:20, Guy Fraser wrote: >Garrett Serack wrote: >>BING! You have correctly answered "Scams" for $1000. >> >>>Who gets the benifit of this research? >>>Anybody-who-wants-to-download-the-result, or some multi-billion >>>pharmaneutical reseach company that will use it only for own >>> profit? >> >>My feelings exactly. Even if it's not some multi-billion >>pharmaneutical reseach company, the researchers would certainly >>sell-out to a multi-billion pharmaneutical reseach company. >> >>>>>Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at >>>>>Folding at Home? >> >>Oh think of the Science! for the love of god Somebody think of the >> Science! >> >>:p > >It's not that I don't care about humanity and science, but the >pharmaceutical >companies that will benefit seem to care more about profits than > humanity. Many if not most of the scientists are likely more > concerned about humanity, but they don't run the companies or > market the products. > >So for now I will just help look for extraterrestrials, but I've > always wondered >about what I win if my computer finds one. ;-) > >-- >Guy Fraser Probably like me, Guy, you'd get your 15 minutes of fame, probably on the second thursday of the week :-) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 22:30:56 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:30:56 -0400 Subject: How to change "Red Hat" menu In-Reply-To: <1098472269.12455.34.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098472269.12455.34.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <604aa79104102215301052950d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:11:09 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > I would like to have only the Red Hat show up in my panel as it used to, > and have all the choices (apps and actions) listed within it. However, I > cannot find anywhere/anyhow to make that change and the two separate > "Applications" and "Actions" menus take up way too much space. right click Add to panel main menu -jef From gvc at ocsystems.com Fri Oct 22 22:19:12 2004 From: gvc at ocsystems.com (G. Vincent Castellano) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:19:12 -0400 Subject: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 In-Reply-To: <1098482099.12455.71.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <20041022204524.GE8413@redhat.com> <4179734E.1060203@ocsystems.com> <1098482099.12455.71.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <41798760.5080803@ocsystems.com> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 16:53 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > >>My T23 hangs at random places during the boot process if I boot with kernel >>2.6.9-1.640. > > > Mine works very well. Type 2647-5NU, P3-1200, 512MB, 40GB, > 14.1"@1400x1050, S3 Savage/IX w/8MB, 10/100 Ethernet, Intersil Prism 2.5 > Wavelan 802.11b card, combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW. What hardware are you > running? Virtually identical. The video card probe reports 16 MB, the model is 2647-5MU, and the wireless card is an SMC2632W with the orinoco_cs driver (worked better for me than prism2_cs). The big variable is that this is an upgrade from RH9 (by way of FC3T2), so I'm not sure how much flaky stuff I'm willing to track down, unless the consensus is that's not the likely cause. I guess I should pull the wireless card and see if it behaves any better. --gvc From andy.grover at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 22:34:20 2004 From: andy.grover at gmail.com (Andrew Grover) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:34:20 -0700 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:26:56 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Bah! I can't reproduce this anymore. after implementing the workaround > and trying to revert back to a broken situation. > > If you are still seeing this problem > run strace yum check-update > save the strace output > and file a bug in bugzilla with the output from strace as an attachment I can't reproduce it now either. Heisenbug... Thanks -- Andy From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 22:10:06 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:10:06 -0400 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> Message-ID: <604aa79104102215105520c389@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:59:19 -0400, David Dollar wrote: > After updating to yum-2.1.10-3 , all yum commands fail silently and drop > back to command prompt. Its something to do with the new files in /etc/yum/repo.d/ I saw it this morning...but i havent gotten a chance to file a bug about do to "real work" all day long. A workaround for me is to move the file /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo out of that directory. And to make sure I have a [development] section in my yum.conf. In fact if i place the exact text of /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo into /etc/yum.conf things work. I'm going to file a bug on this with yum running under strace if there isn't one filed already. -jef From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 22 22:40:10 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Andrew Grover wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:26:56 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Bah! I can't reproduce this anymore. after implementing the workaround > > and trying to revert back to a broken situation. > > > > If you are still seeing this problem > > run strace yum check-update > > save the strace output > > and file a bug in bugzilla with the output from strace as an attachment > > I can't reproduce it now either. Heisenbug... http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01903.html Perhaps the mirrorlist-url got updated with the fix. Satish From andy.grover at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 22:41:42 2004 From: andy.grover at gmail.com (Andrew Grover) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:41:42 -0700 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:34:20 -0700, Andrew Grover wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:26:56 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Bah! I can't reproduce this anymore. after implementing the workaround > > and trying to revert back to a broken situation. > > > > If you are still seeing this problem > > run strace yum check-update > > save the strace output > > and file a bug in bugzilla with the output from strace as an attachment > > I can't reproduce it now either. Heisenbug... Oh ok. If you add another repo (like to a faster mirror) and set enabled=0 in fedora-devel.repo, you MUST change the name from [development] in your new .repo. If you don't do this, yum commands don't work and no error message is given. -- Andy From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 22:48:31 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:48:31 -0400 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102215487ae5823a@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:40:10 -0500 (CDT), Satish Balay wrote: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01903.html > > Perhaps the mirrorlist-url got updated with the fix. totally different issue, the blank lines in mirror-list is harmless producing a harmless but confusing message meant to inform the user malformed url configurations. the issue here is some odd interaction with the new /etc/yum.repo.d/ files that were introduced..if i could only reproduce the problem..... And when i was seeing a problem..the mirrorlist had already been editted to remove the blank lines....so i know its not that. -jef From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 22 22:55:14 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:55:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Andrew Grover wrote: > Oh ok. If you add another repo (like to a faster mirror) and set > enabled=0 in fedora-devel.repo, you MUST change the name from > [development] in your new .repo. > > If you don't do this, yum commands don't work and no error message is given. I rember this now.. I removed the duplicate [development] from my modified yum.conf - and yum started working. And then forgot about it.. Satish From arnling at kth.se Fri Oct 22 22:57:40 2004 From: arnling at kth.se (Joakim Arnling) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:57:40 +0200 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: <1098481946.12455.68.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098481946.12455.68.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098485860.11110.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> what is the difference between todays rawhide and these directories? when will rawhide become FC4test1? I'm confused ;) On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 15:52 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:36 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > > > I'll try to download it before I go home from work (since my work > connection is easily 6x faster than home). Can I get rsync access to > that? I have to stop/restart quite frequently and I have to use some > bandwidth throttling so my boss doesn't throttle *me*. And I am *never* > going to get things done via HTTP. > > Thanks! > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 22 23:07:20 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:07:20 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org>; from rpaiz@simpaticus.com on Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 03:46:36PM -0600 References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041022170720.C31922@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 03:46:36PM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > Piece of cake once you get the hang of it. I have something like that on my wife's laptop with FC2. It surely took a careful reading of documentation and some tries but it was possible to do. I am surely not touching it without a backup as it is enough to look at it from a wrong angle and all profiles are the same. Still it works for some definition of "work". > But whatever... it used to work (in FC1 days), and it is now broken. Now > you can configure all the devices you want, but whatever devices you set > to be *active* in one profile are now active in ALL profiles. So you > basically only have one profile. :-( This indeed sounds like a throwback to early days. > ... since it no longer destroys the > rest of the system. Well, "destroys" in that sense that you had some network configuration, you tried to produce another one in what seemed like a different profile, and now the original is gone. It seems that this is what you are describing as the current behaviour? Michal From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 22 23:14:32 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:14:32 -0600 Subject: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 In-Reply-To: <41798760.5080803@ocsystems.com> References: <20041022204524.GE8413@redhat.com> <4179734E.1060203@ocsystems.com> <1098482099.12455.71.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <41798760.5080803@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <1098486872.12455.89.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 18:19 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > > Mine works very well. Type 2647-5NU, P3-1200, 512MB, 40GB, > > 14.1"@1400x1050, S3 Savage/IX w/8MB, 10/100 Ethernet, Intersil Prism 2.5 > > Wavelan 802.11b card, combo DVD-ROM/CD-RW. What hardware are you > > running? > > Virtually identical. The video card probe reports 16 MB, the model is 2647-5MU, > and the wireless card is an SMC2632W with the orinoco_cs driver (worked better > for me than prism2_cs). > Well, my 8MB is from memory so I'm not sure. > The big variable is that this is an upgrade from RH9 (by way of FC3T2), so I'm > not sure how much flaky stuff I'm willing to track down, unless the consensus is > that's not the likely cause. I guess I should pull the wireless card and see if > it behaves any better. Try a fresh install of the FC3-RC1 posted today. That *should* work much better, and I would take a WAG that the upgrade is the source of much of your flakiness. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, there is a clickable menu entry which says "Unmount" or "Eject" on a desktop icon for a given volume. > > Its mountet sync anyway. (data get written imediatly) This helps but this is not a guarantee that bits will hit actual media. > Think old mac's had it as well. You would just drag the little > floppy to the wastebasket, and a moment later, it would come out > all by itself... You have to have a fully Mac'ified brain to find that interface intuitive. (Once you are at that stage you go and design Nautilus :-). > Now if only the "eject" button on the cd-rom could tell dbus to tell > gnome-volume-manager to umount and eject... You mean a physical "eject" button on a drive and not a software one on a desktop? The later is doing just that. AFAIK some drives are able to generate an interrupt if you are pushing that real button but very far from all or even a majority. If you would get that working with only _some_ drives then _that_ would be so confusing... Michal From michal at harddata.com Fri Oct 22 23:30:48 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:30:48 -0600 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: ; from andy.grover@gmail.com on Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 03:13:56PM -0700 References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> Message-ID: <20041022173048.E31922@mail.harddata.com> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 03:13:56PM -0700, Andrew Grover wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:59:19 -0400, David Dollar > wrote: > > After updating to yum-2.1.10-3 , all yum commands fail silently and drop > > back to command prompt. > > > > yum by itself with no args produces the usage display just fine. > > Attempting to run yum with any command arg just drops back to command- > > line. > > > > Anyone else experiencing this? > > Yes... WORKSFORME. In a sense "too well". See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136898 if you want to know what I mean. Michal From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Fri Oct 22 23:41:55 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:41:55 +0200 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: <1098481946.12455.68.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098481946.12455.68.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <20041023014155.43e064a8.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:52:26 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:36 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > > > I'll try to download it before I go home from work (since my work > connection is easily 6x faster than home). Can I get rsync access to > that? I have to stop/restart quite frequently and I have to use some > bandwidth throttling so my boss doesn't throttle *me*. And I am *never* > going to get things done via HTTP. A normal http reget should suffice, e.g. "curl -C - -O http://foo", and curl can limit the download rate, too. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 1.01 1.09 1.06 From jeffy5 at optonline.net Fri Oct 22 23:44:40 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:44:40 -0400 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 In-Reply-To: <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1098359003.4744.13.camel@anu.eridu> <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200410221944.40810.jeffy5@optonline.net> On Friday 22 October 2004 11:52 am, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 04:43, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 20:13 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 06:42:15PM -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > > > > Today, I just upgraded from Fedora Core 2 to Fedora Core 3t3. > > > > I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 laptop. After the installation, I > > > > noticed that there is support for the Synaptics Touchpad but I am not > > > > sure how to configure it. > > > > > > Try this: > > > > Update rhpl and system-config-display to latest in rawhide first, but > > > > essentially yes this should work: > > > system-config-display --reconfig > > This isn't actually supposed to let me set what features to use on the > touchpad, is it? I mean, after doing this, I get tap-to-click, edge > scrolling and working scroll buttons ('mouse wheel' equivalent). > However, not everyone wants all the features - e.g. i've been > considering whether it wouldn't be more convenient to use the scroll > buttons as middle mouse button since I can just use edge-scroll instead, > and I know some people who absolutely detest tap-to-click (although I > personally hate using a touchpad without it). So some kind of > feature-configuration interface would certainly be nice. (I guess it > would best be integrated in system-config-mouse?) FC4 material in all > likelihood, thanks a lot for getting the touchpads working sanely in any > case! > > /Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University Okay, I am new to Fedora Core. I don't know what it means to "Update rhpl and system -config-display to the latest Rawhide. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 with a Synaptics Touchpad. It would seem to me that it would make more sense to include configuration of the pointing device within the Start Menu-System Settings, or at least during the initial installation. From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Oct 22 23:52:05 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:52:05 -0400 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 In-Reply-To: <200410221944.40810.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> <1098359003.4744.13.camel@anu.eridu> <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410221944.40810.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20041022235205.GD28232@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 07:44:40PM -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > I am new to Fedora Core. I don't know what it means to "Update rhpl and > system -config-display to the latest Rawhide. I have a Dell Inspiron 4000 > with a Synaptics Touchpad. It would seem to me that it would make more sense > to include configuration of the pointing device within the Start Menu-System > Settings, or at least during the initial installation. You don't need to configure it. It should automatically discover and configure it for you. If you are using the latest development tree (or the FC3-rc1 just announced) it should definately have the fixes to the rhpl package which allows this automatic configuration to work. If you update your system to the latest development (which is also called "Rawhide") using up2date, or yum, you can try having the system automatically configure the Synaptics Touchpad by issuing this command at the command line: system-config-display --reconfig From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 00:00:10 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:00:10 +0100 Subject: nVidia driver Message-ID: <1098489610.14927.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I'm trying to install the nVidia driver from nVidia's website. As usual, the dratted thing is complaining about being compiled using a different compiler or some other such nonsense. However, it does say I can pass in the path to the source I'm therefore using ./NVIDIA-restoffile.run --kernel-source- path=/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.640/build which gives the same error Anyone know how to compile the nVidia module? TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Which > you cant ansver at all, since a way to long time has gone for you to > even remember which machine it was. > > Not to be evil, but i think gnome bugzilla is worst at this... > > Kyrre > I have filed only a few bugs over the past year, one was just fixed with the release of xorg-x11-???-12, and admittedly it took quite a bit, mostly due to going through xorg's bugzilla. I don't know if it helped, but I also enlisted the help of mike harris (thanks mike). I don't know if he was in a better position to talk to them or started the work himself (I was woefully inadequate). Bottom line: They are your bugs! You need to fix them or talk to the people that can get it done. If it is not serious enough to remember, how important can it be? Scott From talbotscott at cox.net Sat Oct 23 01:44:38 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:44:38 -0700 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102215105520c389@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> <604aa79104102215105520c389@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098495878.19488.12.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 18:10 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:59:19 -0400, David Dollar > wrote: > > After updating to yum-2.1.10-3 , all yum commands fail silently and drop > > back to command prompt. > > Its something to do with the new files in /etc/yum/repo.d/ > I saw it this morning...but i havent gotten a chance to file a bug > about do to "real work" > all day long. > > A workaround for me is to move the file > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo out of that directory. And to make > sure I have a [development] section in my yum.conf. In fact if i place > the exact text of /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo into > /etc/yum.conf things work. > > I'm going to file a bug on this with yum running under strace if there > isn't one filed already. > > > -jef I had this until I replaced yum.conf with yum.conf.rpmnew then all was good again. Scott From balay at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 23 01:45:20 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:45:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: nVidia driver In-Reply-To: <1098489610.14927.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098489610.14927.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to install the nVidia driver from nVidia's website. As usual, > the dratted thing is complaining about being compiled using a different > compiler or some other such nonsense. However, it does say I can pass in > the path to the source > > I'm therefore using > > ./NVIDIA-restoffile.run --kernel-source- > path=/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.640/build > > which gives the same error > > Anyone know how to compile the nVidia module? Check http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01758.html Satish From notting at redhat.com Sat Oct 23 02:37:10 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:37:10 -0400 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: <1098485860.11110.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098481946.12455.68.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098485860.11110.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041023023710.GB12459@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Joakim Arnling (arnling at kth.se) said: > what is the difference between todays rawhide and these directories? fedora-release. Not necessarily much else ATM. > when will rawhide become FC4test1? Later. Bill From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sat Oct 23 03:05:04 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:05:04 -0400 Subject: yum-2.1.10-3 borked In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102215487ae5823a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098482359.10583.1.camel@neon.periodic> <604aa79104102215265f2c6a4f@mail.gmail.com> <604aa79104102215487ae5823a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098500704.22334.0.camel@binkley> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 18:48 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:40:10 -0500 (CDT), Satish Balay > wrote: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01903.html > > > > Perhaps the mirrorlist-url got updated with the fix. > > totally different issue, the blank lines in mirror-list is harmless > producing a harmless but confusing message meant to inform the user > malformed url configurations. > the issue here is some odd interaction with the new /etc/yum.repo.d/ files > that were introduced..if i could only reproduce the problem..... > > And when i was seeing a problem..the mirrorlist had already been > editted to remove the blank lines....so i know its not that. I just checked in the fix for this bug to yum cvs. I was catching the error but not printing the error string so no one knew what was wrong. fixed in cvs, I'll make a 2.1.11 release soonish and it'll be in there. short-fix: remove any duplicate named repository from .repo files. -sv From volinux at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 04:25:40 2004 From: volinux at gmail.com (Patrick Jordan) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:25:40 -0400 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:58:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Hey, everyone: > > I've gone ahead and filed this as Bug #136846, but I wanted to also post > it to the list as an FYI. Changed to the active devices > in system-config-network (1.3.22-1) are being saved to ALL profiles, > effectively making profiles useless since you always get the same > devices no matter what you try. > > I've seen this behavior for the last two weeks or so, but had not really > had the time to test it and report it until now. I would guess that this > is something that deserves attention in time for the FC3 release (or an > immediate update) since it's going to affect quite a few laptop owners. I noticed some abnormalities with the earlier test3 versions, but since deleting all my configurations and remaking them I've had no problems. The current version seems to work fine. From an037-0m26i at yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 04:31:31 2004 From: an037-0m26i at yahoo.com (Allen Kistler) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:31:31 -0500 Subject: Gnome-Stones Message-ID: <4179DEA3.8080209@yahoo.com> No more? From volinux at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 04:53:57 2004 From: volinux at gmail.com (Patrick Jordan) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:53:57 -0400 Subject: Gnome-Stones In-Reply-To: <4179DEA3.8080209@yahoo.com> References: <4179DEA3.8080209@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:31:31 -0500, Allen Kistler wrote: > No more? On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:23:49 -0400, Build System (fedora-devel-list) wrote: gnome-games-2.8.0-4 ------------------- * Tue Oct 19 2004 Christopher Aillon 1:2.8.0-4 - Remove gnome-stones for now From alan at clueserver.org Sat Oct 23 04:21:45 2004 From: alan at clueserver.org (alan) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Missing dependancies in Rawhide x86_64 Message-ID: I installed Fedora core 3 test 2 a while back. I have updated piecemeal to the development code on rawhide. Here are a few dependancy problems that still hang about: Error: missing dep: iiimf-server for pkg iiimf-le-freewnn Error: missing dep: iiimf-libs for pkg iiimf-qt Error: missing dep: ecj for pkg ecj-devel Error: missing dep: iiimf-server for pkg iiimf-le-sun-chinese Error: missing dep: iiimf-server for pkg iiimf-le-sun-korea Do I just need to remove all the iiimf and ecj code and reinstall or is it just bjorken for those packages. From zleite at mminternet.com Sat Oct 23 07:35:07 2004 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:35:07 -0700 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> <417979AF.7010209@incentre.net> Message-ID: <417A09AB.1000809@mminternet.com> Guy Fraser wrote: > It's not that I don't care about humanity and science, but the > pharmaceutical > companies that will benefit seem to care more about profits than > humanity. They are also amazingly patent-happy. It intrigues me that the patent office won't allow moto perpetuums, but living organisms are OK! As if the patent would describe how to _make_ a strain of rice or an apple of a certain color... Z > Many if not most of the scientists are likely more concerned about > humanity, but they don't run the companies or market the products. > > So for now I will just help look for extraterrestrials, but I've > always wondered > about what I win if my computer finds one. ;-) > From ivo at vendomar.ee Sat Oct 23 08:12:21 2004 From: ivo at vendomar.ee (Ivo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E4rak?=) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:12:21 +0300 Subject: Folding@Home (what is this?) In-Reply-To: <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410212338.48077.linxt@comcast.net> <200410220948.26859.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1098468080.2692.7.camel@kyrre> <1f59814104102213033089e9ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098519141.4679.0.camel@sarmax> All data will be available to everyone: http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?p=6679 http://forum.folding-community.org/viewtopic.php?p=32433 On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:03 -0600, Garrett Serack wrote: > BING! You have correctly answered "Scams" for $1000. > > > Who gets the benifit of this research? > > Anybody-who-wants-to-download-the-result, or some multi-billion > > pharmaneutical reseach company that will use it only for own profit? > > My feelings exactly. Even if it's not some multi-billion > pharmaneutical reseach company, the researchers would certainly > sell-out to a multi-billion pharmaneutical reseach company. > > > >> Hi, For the sake of science, will Fedora Core participate at > > >> Folding at Home? > > Oh think of the Science! for the love of god Somebody think of the Science! > > :p From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sat Oct 23 08:50:32 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:50:32 -0700 Subject: Up2date package dependency problem In-Reply-To: <41791DA4.9060106@ocsystems.com> References: <41791DA4.9060106@ocsystems.com> Message-ID: <1098521432.11637.11.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 10:48 -0400, G. Vincent Castellano wrote: > TGS wrote: > > do a yum --obsolete update > > First of all, I didn't have yum on my system, probably because I did an upgrade > rather than a clean install. This is fixed. > > I thought that doing yum --obsolete update would fix this problem, but it > persists. I run up2date and select gcc alone for upgrading. I get: > > There was a package dependency problem. The message was: > > Unresolvable chain of dependencies: > jdkgcj-0.2.3-5 requires gcc-java = 3.2.2 > > How do I get past this? > --gvc Remove jdkgcj, it is not present in the distro proper and must be from another source (or be old, I'm not sure which). rpm -e jdkgcj yum update -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 09:24:48 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:24:48 +0100 Subject: nVidia driver In-Reply-To: References: <1098489610.14927.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098523488.14927.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > Anyone know how to compile the nVidia module? > > Check http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01758.html Downloaded the rpms and get the follow 2 errors when trying to install... error: failed dependencies /dev/MAKEDEV is needed by nvidia-glx /etc/makedev.d/linux-2.4.x is needed by nvidia-glx Now, /dev/MAKEDEV is definately there and why there should be a linux-2.4.x directory for an FC2 package is anyones guess. Manually adding the directory doesn't work either. Is there a version of the rpms anywhere for the current kernel version or do I need to grab the SRPMs from livna and compile it myself? 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Manually > adding the directory doesn't work either. > > Is there a version of the rpms anywhere for the current kernel version > or do I need to grab the SRPMs from livna and compile it myself? > > TTFN > > Paul I just finished going through all this, including exactly that question. I installed the Livna nvidia-glx rpm with --nodeps and it worked ok, so it really doesn't have those dependencies. Be warned that the Livna package installs an "nvidia" startup script that runs at level 5 and 3 (!) that among other things modifies your xorg.conf file every time you start when it finds an nvidia kernel module present, making it impossible to easily switch from the nvidia driver to the nv driver. I stopped the service from starting and now I can control xorg.conf myself. There were other perils along the way, but after about 2 hours, I can now switch quickly and cleanly from the nv driver to the nvidia driver and back, and glx is running both ways (never had that before) although it is faster obviously with the nvidia driver and associated files. If I knew how involved this would get, I would not have bothered, and I would have waited until Livna issues new, clean packages after the dust settles from a released FC3, but if you want to tough it out, send me an email directly and I'll share some notes and such, after I wake up. I'm off to sleep for a few hours. Joel -- Joel Rittvo Kick at the Darkness From Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net Sat Oct 23 10:59:20 2004 From: Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net (Axel Thimm) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:59:20 +0200 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041023105920.GA17182@neu.nirvana> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 05:36:29PM -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ testing.fedora.redhat.com does not resolve (none of nsX.redhat.com). > Please try to break it. Especially interesting are bugs in the kernel, and > any installer bugs resulting from kernel changes. There is a very important bug-fix for x86_64 kernels at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132947 -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 12:21:26 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:21:26 +0100 Subject: nVidia driver In-Reply-To: <1098526514.10152.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098489610.14927.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098523488.14927.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098526514.10152.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098534086.11077.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > There were other perils along the way, but after about 2 hours, > I can now switch quickly and cleanly from the nv driver to the nvidia > driver and back, and glx is running both ways (never had that before) > although it is faster obviously with the nvidia driver and associated > files. Well, I tried --nodeps, did a reboot and all I get from the logs is that it's "checking for the nvidia module, check failed". What next? TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From res at ausics.net Sat Oct 23 12:53:52 2004 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:53:52 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC1 to FC3 Message-ID: Greetings All. Wondering if anyone has done an upgrade to FC3 (current test, so i assume much the same as final) from a working FC1 box? Looking for any catches and gotchyas to look out for in an upgrade... or is it pretty much straight forward with no hassles apart from the obvious stuff like special drivers compiled agaisnt exist kernels etc etc etc... -- Regards, Res From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Oct 23 13:20:09 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:20:09 +0200 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041023152009.04e308fa.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT), Elliot Lee wrote: > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ Will gpm-1.20.1-66 make it into FC3? It's not even in Rawhide yet... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135776 -- Fedora Core release 2.92 (FC3 Test 3) - Linux 2.6.9-1.639 loadavg: 1.47 1.46 1.09 From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 13:20:47 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:20:47 +0100 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > Wondering if anyone has done an upgrade to FC3 (current test, so i assume > much the same as final) from a working FC1 box? Looking for any catches > and gotchyas to look out for in an upgrade... or is it pretty much > straight forward with no hassles apart from the obvious stuff like special > drivers compiled agaisnt exist kernels etc etc etc... I can't remember if FC1 was the first one to use xorg-x11 rather than XF86. If it was, then the upgrade should be pretty painless. If it wasn't, then you may have the odd issue going from XF86 to xorg-x11. 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A screenshot with 1600x1200 resolution : http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/fc3rc1/Capture.png A little image on the right bottom of the screen... HelixPlayer is installed by default and not totem. Humm... HelixPlayer is better than totem right now. But for me totem is the right path (gstreamer based). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 13:33:31 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:33:31 +0100 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > But for me totem is the right path (gstreamer based). It would be nice if the damned thing could play an mpeg video! TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 23 13:50:21 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:50:21 +0200 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 14:33 +0100, Paul a ?crit : > Hi, > > > But for me totem is the right path (gstreamer based). > > It would be nice if the damned thing could play an mpeg video! > ??? 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Solution: Install the cdrdao package. so i checked and it is not installed and can't be via Add/Remove Applications so I uninstalled K3b and re-installed it and then went and got the offered update from Rawhide which went OK and it still complains so I checked Rawhide and cdrdao is there to install so this would appear to be a package that needs to be added to the intall by default in the FINAL FC3. I have just checked FC3T3 and found the package on CD#4 I will check bugzilla before putting in bug report. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 13:59:57 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:59:57 +0100 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > > But for me totem is the right path (gstreamer based). > > > > It would be nice if the damned thing could play an mpeg video! > HelixPlayer can't play mpeg video (patent). No, totem can't. TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If it was, No, FC2 was the first to take this disastrous step. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 23 14:16:12 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:16:12 +0200 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098540972.8973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 14:59 +0100, Paul a ?crit : > Hi, > > > > > > But for me totem is the right path (gstreamer based). > > > > > > It would be nice if the damned thing could play an mpeg video! > > > HelixPlayer can't play mpeg video (patent). > > No, totem can't. > HelixPlayer _and_ gstreamer don't have mpeg codec because patent. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 14:22:59 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:22:59 +0100 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > I can't remember if FC1 was the first one to use xorg-x11 rather than > > XF86. If it was, > > No, FC2 was the first to take this disastrous step. Not sure. Why was it such a bad step? Anyhoo, it does mean that the OP may have a few snags going from FC1 to FC3 then. TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thats between US citizens and their politicians From alan at redhat.com Sat Oct 23 14:39:12 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:39:12 -0400 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041023143912.GB22634@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 03:22:59PM +0100, Paul wrote: > Not sure. Why was it such a bad step? Most of us don't think it was > Anyhoo, it does mean that the OP may have a few snags going from FC1 to > FC3 then. The XFree to Xorg update also updates the necessary configuration files. You should only hit problems with some proprietary driver modules. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 23 14:44:58 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:44:58 +0100 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041023143912.GB22634@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041023143912.GB22634@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098542698.11077.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > Not sure. Why was it such a bad step? > > Most of us don't think it was Yep. I pref xorg-x11 to XF86 myself. > > Anyhoo, it does mean that the OP may have a few snags going from FC1 to > > FC3 then. > > The XFree to Xorg update also updates the necessary configuration files. > You should only hit problems with some proprietary driver modules. Naughty businesses... TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sat Oct 23 14:34:34 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:34:34 +0100 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <200410231534.35229.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Friday 22 October 2004 22:46, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Basically, this is how it works. You have two devices (ferinstance): > eth0 and wlan0. The problem arises in my case if I have 2 profiles with the _same_ physical device - which I imagine is the most common case, using the same WiFi card in different locations. Ok, so I make two copies of the eth0 device (following the advice in the Help "manual"), say eth0_home and eth0_away. I have one default "Common" profille, and I create a second "College" profile. I tick eth0_home on the Common profile, and untick eth0 and eth0_away. I tick eth0_away on the College profile, and untick the others. According to System Settings=>Network, the active profile is Common. I run "sudo service network restart" and everything works fine at home. Now I go into college. I go to System Tools=>Network Device Control choose the College Profile and click on Activate. According to the screen, the active Profile is "College", but it says that "the interfaces configured in the active Profile are: eth0_home", which is _not_ what I want. If I now go to System Settings=>Network it says the active Profile is College, but it has changed the College settings so that eth0_home is ticked but not eth0_away. When I run "sudo service network restart" it says it is bringing up eth_home (while it should of course be bringing up eth0_away). It has however changed /etc/resolv.conf correctly. In brief, the program is a mess. I haven't looked into it, but I would guess there is some kind of error with hard or symbolic links. It seems to me that what the program is trying to do is very simple. In fact I used to have a couple of short scripts, home.sh and college.sh, which did what is required. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From zleite at mminternet.com Sat Oct 23 15:17:36 2004 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:17:36 -0700 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <417A7610.9020909@mminternet.com> Timothy Murphy wrote: >On Saturday 23 October 2004 14:20, Paul wrote: > > > >>I can't remember if FC1 was the first one to use xorg-x11 rather than >>XF86. If it was, >> >> > >No, FC2 was the first to take this disastrous step. > That's a joke, right? Z From alex at darkhonor.com Sat Oct 23 15:26:18 2004 From: alex at darkhonor.com (Alex Ackerman) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:26:18 -0400 Subject: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 Message-ID: That was the problem. Thank you for your assistance. 2.6.9-1.640 is running perfectly now. Alex Ackerman > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list- > bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dave Jones > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 4:45 PM > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > Subject: Re: Problem with Rawhide Kernels > 610 > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:46:34PM -0400, Alex Ackerman wrote: > > [please wrap lines before 79 columns] > > > I am having a problem booting my Rawhide system after the latest round > of > > updates. The system will not boot beyond "Configuring kernel > parameters: ". > > This sounds like the recent X/rhgb bug. Remove rhgb from the boot > command line, and see if it solves the problem. If so, update > your xorg/rhgb packages, and it should be fixed. > > Dave > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From dwmw2 at infradead.org Fri Oct 22 17:21:27 2004 From: dwmw2 at infradead.org (David Woodhouse) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:21:27 +0100 Subject: Messages to List - please don't reply to start In-Reply-To: <1098457005l.11536l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1098457005l.11536l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1098465686.13633.1395.camel@hades.cambridge.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:56 +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote: > With both Evolution and Balsa, and I assume with kmail too, it is > trivial to add the mailing list to your address book. If you are having > trouble doing so with your mail client, a question to the Fedora Users > list can help out. In Evolution it's even easier -- just clicking on the mailing list's address in the mail you're looking at will compose a new mail to the list, without the In-Reply-To: and References: headers. You don't even need to add it to your address book. Personally, I prefer to configure my lists to trap mail for moderation if it either has 'Re:' in the subject and no References: or In-Reply-To: header, or one of the headers but not 'Re:'. -- dwmw2 From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sat Oct 23 14:48:34 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:48:34 +0100 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200410231548.35392.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Saturday 23 October 2004 15:22, Paul wrote: > > > I can't remember if FC1 was the first one to use xorg-x11 rather than > > > XF86. If it was, > > > > No, FC2 was the first to take this disastrous step. > > Not sure. Why was it such a bad step? I have a Sony Picturebook (C1VFK). To run X on this one has to apply a tiny patch which was sent to bugzilla 6 months ago: Unfortunately the patch has not been applied to xorg-x11, although the bugzilla is marked as resolved. I have emailed 7 people whose names I came across in connection the the "ati" driver (the Picturebook uses the ATI Rage Mobility system) but none have replied. (The email was perfectly polite; I just asked them to ensure the patch was applied, if it was anything to do with them, or else to pass on my message to an appropriate person.) My impression from the Xorg mailing list is that the team is overwhelmed with all the issues that arise. For example, as far as I can see only one person is involved with the ATI driver. I suspect they are trying to do clever things before ensuring that the basic structure is secure. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From jefrat at earthlink.net Sat Oct 23 16:10:14 2004 From: jefrat at earthlink.net (Jeff Ratliff) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:10:14 -0400 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041023161014.GA10946@earthlink.net> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 10:53:52PM +1000, Res wrote: > Greetings All. > > Wondering if anyone has done an upgrade to FC3 (current test, so i assume > much the same as final) from a working FC1 box? Looking for any catches > and gotchyas to look out for in an upgrade... or is it pretty much > straight forward with no hassles apart from the obvious stuff like special > drivers compiled agaisnt exist kernels etc etc etc... > I used my old FC1 system as a test system for FC3. I initially upgraded FC1 to FC3t1 and had no problems. I'm using an nVidia chipset and nVidia graphics card reverted to the stock FC drivers rather than the nVidia proprietary ones, because it was less trouble for future updates. X11 to Xorg change wasn't even noticeable. As others have pointed out, proprietary drivers may give you a few headaches. I still prefer a fresh install (with a backup just in case) to an upgrade, but if you have to upgrade it'll probably work. From dcbw at redhat.com Sat Oct 23 16:26:09 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <200410231548.35392.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410231548.35392.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I have a Sony Picturebook (C1VFK). > To run X on this one has to apply a tiny patch > which was sent to bugzilla 6 months ago: > > Unfortunately the patch has not been applied to xorg-x11, > although the bugzilla is marked as resolved. It appears that the bug was mistakenly marked FIXED even though the patch wasn't in CVS. It was also targetted at xserver/kdrive rather than xorg, which means it wouldn't have come up in developer's queries. Mike Harris has reopened the bug and has a request for somebody to see which parts of the patch are applicable. So its not that it was forcibly closed, it was mistakenly closed and was targetted at the entirely wrong component. I've checked per Mike's request and none of the patch has been applied. Hopefully now that activity has restarted on this bug, it will get fixed soon if the patch is suitable. Dan From ampelmann at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 16:48:13 2004 From: ampelmann at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:48:13 -0200 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <41791FF0.8030001@redhat.com> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <41791E19.9000406@redhat.com> <41791FF0.8030001@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5dffa97004102309483d2a82ef@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:57:52 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Harald Hoyer wrote: > > Mark Haney wrote: > > > >> I am really looking forward to installing T3 on my laptop so that I can > >> really start using it day to day, my only problem is my test copy just > >> does not like to boot consistently. Granted it's running in VMware, but > >> it always hangs at starting udev. I've heard bits and pieces concerning > >> this, but is this an issue on a non-VMware installed version of T3? > >> > >> -------------------------------------- > >> Mark Haney > >> Network Administrator > >> InterAct Public Safety Systems > >> mhaney at interactsys.com > >> Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > >> 09:33:16 up 1:46, 1 user, load average: 2.22, 2.29, 2.80 > > > > > > Workaround for now: press -c > > > > I am hunting this bug right now.. > > > > > > better workaround set udev_log="no" in /etc/udev/udev.conf > > > > > -- > Harald Hoyer, Senior Software Engineer > gpg fingerprint E930 20E6 CCF8 C76C 8582 CF9F B7B7 45C2 C557 5542 > http://harryh.homelinux.org http://people.redhat.com/harald > Red Hat GmbH : http://www.redhat.de > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I did have problems in my notebook. I always got the message while booting up: ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! And then it continues booting, but the system doesn't identify my Pentium Centrino to work with WLAN and I can't access my previously set Windows XP partition in Linux. Any ideas? Tks! From walters at redhat.com Sat Oct 23 16:49:33 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:49:33 -0400 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098550173.8447.2.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 15:23 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > I installed fc3rc1. > > I have two sound cards and as usual... the sound is muted (second card). > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134321 > And (less important): > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134318 > > Here, I use the second card and it is not unmuted by s-c-sc even if I > click "test". Could this be this bug? http://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta1/show_bug.cgi?id=136930 Can you try this RPM? http://people.redhat.com/walters/gnome-media-2.8.0-4.i386.rpm Or: http://people.redhat.com/walters/gnome-media-2.8.0-4.src.rpm if you're not on i386 or just want to see the src. From ampelmann at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 16:50:48 2004 From: ampelmann at gmail.com (Brunno Pessoa) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:50:48 -0200 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <41777640.7050702@redhat.com> References: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> <41777640.7050702@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5dffa97004102309502f39e9f8@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, but do you mean with mkinitrd? I just got to run it from the prompt line? Could you give me an example? Than you. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:41:36 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Glen Staufer wrote: > > I'm seeing the same thing. The udev errors are consistent on every > > boot. The yum errors come and go - most times running yum again > > succeeds without these errors. I've always figured they were due to a > > timeout trying to read a resource over the net. > > > > Glenn > > how about mkinitrd after updating to udev-039 > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sat Oct 23 16:57:40 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:57:40 +0100 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <417A7610.9020909@mminternet.com> References: <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <417A7610.9020909@mminternet.com> Message-ID: <200410231757.40433.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Saturday 23 October 2004 16:17, Z wrote: > >>I can't remember if FC1 was the first one to use xorg-x11 rather than > >>XF86. If it was, > > > >No, FC2 was the first to take this disastrous step. > > That's a joke, right? Not at all. It was my experience with XFree86 that when bugs were encountered - and any system will encounter bugs - correcting patches were applied as soon as they were provided. As I have pointed out, a patch was provided almost 6 monts ago for a serious bug in the ATI driver, which effectively meant that X could not be used on a range of Sony Picturebooks. The fact that Xorg works perfectly on your computer, which you seem to take as proof of its all-round excellence, is neither here nor there. The issue is, what system is in hand for takiing corrective action when bugs are found, and is it working properly. My experience is that it is not working properly at the moment, and my reading of the xorg mailing list does not give me confidence that it will work well in the future. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From mpeters at mac.com Sat Oct 23 17:06:37 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:06:37 +0000 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from paul@all-the-johnsons.co.uk on Sat Oct 23 06:33:31 2004) References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098551197l.6296l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/23/2004 06:33:31 AM, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > > But for me totem is the right path (gstreamer based). > > It would be nice if the damned thing could play an mpeg video! It can. You just need the right gstreamer-plugins. The rawhide totem on *my* FC3 system is very nice - I built and installed the right plugins. That's why gstreamer backend is better than xine or mplayer - you don't have recompile your apps every time you want to add capability it didn't have before, you just need the plugin. Supposedly the same company that paid the guy to do all the work on gstreamer/totem is going to be offering these as a purchase option - I highly suspect divx.com will soon provide a free plugin (they already provided the shared library and the plugin code is already in gstreamer). From lsomike at futzin.com Sat Oct 23 17:26:39 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:26:39 -0500 Subject: Konqueror throwing an error when trying to mount the root filesystem. Message-ID: <200410231226.39191.lsomike@futzin.com> I'm getting an error message from "kio_devices_mounthelper" when it's called from "konqueror." It seems to be trying to mount the current "/" file system ?!? Screen capture: http://www.futzin.com/konquerorProb1.jpg I'm not sure where to file this bug in bugzilla if it's a kde component or if some other FC3 component is giving the wrong info to konqueror. Any suggestions as to how file this or narrow it down? =============== /etc/fstab ==================== # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details LABEL=/1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda10 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 /media/idedisk ext3 pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hda6 /media/idedisk1 ext3 pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hda5 /media/idedisk2 ext3 pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hda3 /media/idedisk3 ext3 pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrecorder iso9660,udf pamconsole,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 ============= /etc/mtab ================= /dev/hda9 / ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 /dev/hda1 /boot ext3 rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0 Regards, Mike Klinke From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 17:33:05 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:33:05 -0400 Subject: What's up with udev? In-Reply-To: <5dffa97004102309483d2a82ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098452281.3435.18.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <41791E19.9000406@redhat.com> <41791FF0.8030001@redhat.com> <5dffa97004102309483d2a82ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:48:13 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > > I did have problems in my notebook. I always got the message while booting up: > > ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! > ERROR: /sbin/udevstart exited abnormally! > > And then it continues booting, but the system doesn't identify my > Pentium Centrino to work with WLAN and I can't access my previously > set Windows XP partition in Linux. > > Any ideas? > which version of udev? I had the very same problem with my laptop, though I did not attempt to access my XP partition. Anyway, after upgrading to udev 039-6. these problems have gone away. Glenn From diahron at earthlink.net Sat Oct 23 17:35:54 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:35:54 -0500 Subject: Updating Message-ID: <417A967A.60903@earthlink.net> I am having serious problems trying to get the system updated. Lately yum and up2date has been getting wiped out notoriusly for some reason. Admittedly one of the main problems is my lack of knowledge of the linux OS. I used yum to update the system yesterday, it ran for over 10hrs downloading files, messing up, not finding files - losing files - resolving deps and so forth. It got so bad I just freshly re-installed the system only to have yum to: (1) complete destroyed - yum.conf file (emptied it completely.) (2) totally removed - /etc/sysconf/rhn/sources (nothing there anymore.) running yum update yum...gives errors i.e. - Insufficient repository configuration. No repositories Found/Enabled. Aborting. While running up2date gives: can't access /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources, then bring up a blank update screen go through the motions and just quit. At this point I am lost without a clue. Will not give up, but do need help. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 23 17:48:04 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:48:04 +0200 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098550173.8447.2.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098550173.8447.2.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1098553684.8973.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 12:49 -0400, Colin Walters a ?crit : > On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 15:23 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > I installed fc3rc1. > > > > I have two sound cards and as usual... the sound is muted (second card). > > > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134321 > > And (less important): > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134318 > > > > Here, I use the second card and it is not unmuted by s-c-sc even if I > > click "test". > > Could this be this bug? > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta1/show_bug.cgi?id=136930 > Don't yet use gnome-media :-) In firstboot, I don't have any sound. The reason is a little complicated. sound card 1 : snd_via82xx. There is no speaker connected to it. In short, I don't use this card. sound card 2 : snd_ens1371. I use this card. As pointed in #134321 s-c-sc unmute only the first card (only if you click on "Play test sound" #134318). So : "Play test sound" card 1 : mixer correctly set but no sound because no speaker. "Play test sound" card 2 : sound played but s-c-sc only unmute the first card. => no sound. An extract of /etc/asound.state : state.V8233Pre { # card 1 control.2 { name 'Master Playback Volume' value.0 23 => useless, no speaker value.1 23 => useless, no speaker } state.AudioPCI { # card 2 control.2 { name 'Master Playback Volume' value.0 0 => Ooops value.1 0 => Ooops } I take sometime to hack s-c-sc and fix its bugs : http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/system-config-soundcard/ Not a great work, I am not a python programmer. The "hack" is too huge for FC3 and incompatible with Linux 2.4 (RHEL 3). I already state in fedora-config-list that s-c-sc is quite broken. In short, the maintainer say me "go away" (or some like) and request me to file known bugs. It's done since 2004-10-01 : http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134339 http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134321 http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134318 There are other bugs but not serious. > Can you try this RPM? > http://people.redhat.com/walters/gnome-media-2.8.0-4.i386.rpm > Or: > http://people.redhat.com/walters/gnome-media-2.8.0-4.src.rpm > if you're not on i386 or just want to see the src. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It got so bad I just freshly re-installed > the system only to have yum to: > (1) complete destroyed - yum.conf file (emptied it completely.) > (2) totally removed - /etc/sysconf/rhn/sources (nothing there anymore.) > running yum update yum...gives errors i.e. - Insufficient repository > configuration. No repositories Found/Enabled. Aborting. While running > up2date gives: can't access /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources, then bring up a > blank update screen go through the motions and just quit. > At this point I am lost without a clue. Will not give up, but do need help. > Install the latest fedora-release package : rpm -U http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/fedora-release-3-rawhide.noarch.rpm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sat Oct 23 17:53:22 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:53:22 +0100 Subject: Updating In-Reply-To: <417A967A.60903@earthlink.net> References: <417A967A.60903@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200410231853.22370.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Saturday 23 October 2004 18:35, Diahron Grismore wrote: > I am having serious problems trying to get the system updated. Lately > At this point I am lost without a clue. Will not give up, but do need help. I think it would be more fruitful if you said what command you gave, and showed the contents of /etc/yum.conf . -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From manolo at miconexion.com Sat Oct 23 18:39:50 2004 From: manolo at miconexion.com (Manuel Moreno) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:39:50 +0100 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <200410231534.35229.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <200410231534.35229.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098556790.23704.9.camel@mgmk7.mgmux.com> On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 15:34 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: ... > I have one default "Common" profille, > and I create a second "College" profile. > You have to create two profiles besides common, i.e. Home and College In Home profile you tick eth0_home and untick the others In College profile you tick eth0_away and untick the others This works OK if you do *not* use DHCP to configure the wireless card up. In case that you use DHCP you need this little change to /sbin/dhclient-script =========================== --- dhclient-script.old 2004-10-06 21:03:18.000000000 +0100 +++ dhclient-script 2004-10-23 19:35:43.723502464 +0100 @@ -83,7 +83,7 @@ [ -f ../network ] && . ../network [ -f ../networking/network ] && . ../networking/network -CONFIG=$interface +CONFIG=`fgrep -il "DEVICE=${interface}" ifcfg-* | cut -f2 -d '-'` need_config ${CONFIG} =========================== P.S. this last patch is for a loooonstandig bug with profiles, wireless cards and DHCP. -- Manuel Moreno From diahron at earthlink.net Sat Oct 23 18:51:37 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:51:37 -0500 Subject: Updating2 Message-ID: <417AA839.6000807@earthlink.net> After re-installing FC3T3 I ran the following commands. - yum update yum - yum check-update - yum update - up2date - yum install up2date All the above commands would create havoc. Below is what is going on at the moment. Just recently I ran the command: rpm -U http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/fedora-release-3-rawhide.noarch.rpm It brought back sources. I went to the console, su, and ran up2date. Here is what the console output is showing: /usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/checklist.py:21: DeprecationWarning: use gtk.TreeV iew gtk.CList.__init__ (self, columns+1) /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarni ng: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning) http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-rawhide using mirror: http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/pub/fedora/development/i386/ /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarni ng: gtk.create_pixmap is deprecated, use gtk.gdk.Pixmap instead self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning) /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarni ng: gtk.mainiteration is deprecated, use gtk.main_iteration instead self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning) /usr/share/rhn/up2date_client/checklist.py:139: DeprecationWarning: integer argu ment expected, got float info = self.get_selection_info (event.x, event.y) It has taken me to the update packages window where I selected the packages that I want to update. Its running at the moment and has found a dependency. It appears to be working. I'll post more later. I think its working correctly will let you know later. (I prob goofed again!) From diahron at earthlink.net Sat Oct 23 19:28:20 2004 From: diahron at earthlink.net (Diahron Grismore) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:28:20 -0500 Subject: Updating 3 Message-ID: <417AB0D4.1000107@earthlink.net> All went well. A little puzzling is that I selected packages and it appeared that the ones I selected was not updated, but the ones I did not select were. In either case it went through the update without any problems. Here's the list that it gave back to me: The Red Hat Update Agent has finished installing the following packages successfully: kernel-2.6.9-1.640 kernel-utils-2.4-13.1.39 a2ps-4.13b-41 ImageMagick-6.0.7.1-4 NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 SDL-1.2.7-8 SDL-devel-1.2.7-8 SDL_image-1.2.3-6 SDL_image-devel-1.2.3-6 SDL_mixer-1.2.5-4 SDL_mixer-devel-1.2.5-4 dialog-1.0.20040731-3 dos2unix-3.1-21 howl-0.9.6-6 howl-libs-0.9.6-6 nautilus-2.8.1-4 nautilus-cd-burner-2.8.3-6 nautilus-media-0.8.1-3 openoffice.org-1.1.2-10 openoffice.org-libs-1.1.2-10 pango-1.6.0-7 pango-devel-1.6.0-7 pcmcia-cs-3.2.7-1.14 sound-juicer-0.5.14-1 speex-1.0.4-4 tetex-2.0.2-21 tetex-dvips-2.0.2-21 tetex-fonts-2.0.2-21 tetex-latex-2.0.2-21 unix2dos-2.2-24 vino-2.8.1-1 vixie-cron-4.1-19 vnc-server-4.0-8 mkinitrd-4.1.18-1 I did not reboot. I ran up2date again to see the remainding packages, there is quite a few. Since we are testing, I decided to just download all the remaining packages at this time before rebooting. This is probably a bad thing to do. Everything is working fine so far. After all of the updates finish, I'll save the list and reboot to find out the consequences of my deeds and what blows up! I'll be using the lastest kernel-2.6.9-1.640 when I return, so I'll report on that and what ever else. Hope I am being of help and not a nuisance. Thanks for all the help guys, you are the greatest!!! From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 23 19:34:46 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:34:46 +0200 Subject: Updating 4 (was Update 3) In-Reply-To: <417AB0D4.1000107@earthlink.net> References: <417AB0D4.1000107@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1098560086.8973.61.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 14:28 -0500, Diahron Grismore a ?crit : > All went well. Stop creating new thread when this is not needed. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From ben.steeves at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 19:44:36 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:44:36 -0300 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5dffa97004102309502f39e9f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dffa970041020200577075fe2@mail.gmail.com> <41777640.7050702@redhat.com> <5dffa97004102309502f39e9f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ebb24d104102312441f1b4fd9@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:50:48 -0200, Brunno Pessoa wrote: > Sorry, but do you mean with mkinitrd? I just got to run it from the > prompt line? Could you give me an example? > You shouldn't need it in this case, 'cos nothing involved in booting is being changed. But for future reference: mkinitrd {path to initrd} {kernel version} for example: mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.9-1.639.img 2.6.9-1.639 would write a new initrd for use with the 2.6.9-1.639 kernel and place it in /boot. Of course, this should already exist, so you would need -f to force an over-write (or better yet, move the original to a backup location first!!!) What initrd is and what it does is covered here: http://www.rt.com/man/initrd.4.html -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From zleite at mminternet.com Sat Oct 23 19:45:18 2004 From: zleite at mminternet.com (Z) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:45:18 -0700 Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <200410231757.40433.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <417A7610.9020909@mminternet.com> <200410231757.40433.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <417AB4CE.2020001@mminternet.com> Timothy Murphy wrote: >On Saturday 23 October 2004 16:17, Z wrote: > > > >>>>I can't remember if FC1 was the first one to use xorg-x11 rather than >>>>XF86. If it was, >>>> >>>> >>>No, FC2 was the first to take this disastrous step. >>> >>> >>That's a joke, right? >> >> > >Not at all. > >It was my experience with XFree86 that when bugs were encountered - >and any system will encounter bugs - >correcting patches were applied as soon as they were provided. > >As I have pointed out, a patch was provided almost 6 monts ago >for a serious bug in the ATI driver, >which effectively meant that X could not be used >on a range of Sony Picturebooks. > >The fact that Xorg works perfectly on your computer, >which you seem to take as proof of its all-round excellence, >is neither here nor there. >The issue is, what system is in hand for takiing corrective action >when bugs are found, and is it working properly. > >My experience is that it is not working properly at the moment, >and my reading of the xorg mailing list >does not give me confidence that it will work well in the future. > But the old XFree was worse by orders of magnitude. I was applying a patch, from one of the OFFICIAL XFree developers, for almost a year to get dual-head on my board. It took _months_ for the thing to even be commited to CVS. The patch missed the "oficial" release by days, and I had to sit and wait while the jerks at the Xfree board (including one that, by his own admission, hadn't been a _USER_ for several _YEARS_) took their sweet time to expell Keith Packard from the group and revoke his CVS commit privilege. Nobody is crying the demise of XFree. Maybe you aren't aware of the sordid past actions and unresponsiveness of the group. Z From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Oct 23 20:02:31 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:02:31 +0200 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098561750.2719.24.camel@kyrre> Just out of curiosity: wouldn't it be a very good idea ta have a fresh rc ISO out on the ftp on monday, so that people can download it (on work/school etc. - many people have a much wider pipes there) then? I would very much like to test an rc - my fc3 system is grossly out of date... And i want to retest the norvegian anaconda l?r, 23.10.2004 kl. 15.23 skrev Matias F?liciano: > I installed fc3rc1. > > I have two sound cards and as usual... the sound is muted (second card). > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134321 > And (less important): > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134318 > > Here, I use the second card and it is not unmuted by s-c-sc even if I > click "test". > > > I don't like the new background. > A screenshot with 1600x1200 resolution : > http://feliciano.matias.free.fr/fc3rc1/Capture.png > > A little image on the right bottom of the screen... > > HelixPlayer is installed by default and not totem. > Humm... > HelixPlayer is better than totem right now. > But for me totem is the right path (gstreamer based). > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From ben.steeves at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 20:41:48 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:41:48 -0300 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098561750.2719.24.camel@kyrre> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098561750.2719.24.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <7ebb24d1041023134145f539d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:02:31 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Just out of curiosity: wouldn't it be a very good idea ta have a fresh > rc ISO out on the ftp on monday, so that people can download it (on > work/school etc. - many people have a much wider pipes there) then? Use BitTorrent from a wide pipe -- help everyone. Test 3 is the last test release (they are *not* release candidates, merely snapshots of rawhide at a given point-in-time). > I would very much like to test an rc - my fc3 system is grossly out of > date... And i want to retest the norvegian anaconda > You can use up2date or yum to get the latest patches from rawhide. If you want to test anaconda, you can create your own rawhide mirror and do a network install from it. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From mrsam at courier-mta.com Sat Oct 23 21:03:20 2004 From: mrsam at courier-mta.com (Sam Varshavchik) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:03:20 -0400 Subject: Anyone succesfully using atp870u? Message-ID: Is anyone succesfully using the atp870u driver -- in either fc3rc1, or FC2? The original FC2 kernel did not have the atp870u driver. I tried booting the 2.6.8-1.521 kernel first. The driver initialized without any errors, but did not see any attached disks. No reported errors, but no disks detected. I also tried the 2.6.8-1.541 kernel from fc3rc1, with the same results. The driver comes up, but does not see any attached disks. Back to FC1 for me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From res at ausics.net Sat Oct 23 21:29:33 2004 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:29:33 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Paul wrote: > Hi, > >> Wondering if anyone has done an upgrade to FC3 (current test, so i assume >> much the same as final) from a working FC1 box? Looking for any catches >> and gotchyas to look out for in an upgrade... or is it pretty much >> straight forward with no hassles apart from the obvious stuff like special >> drivers compiled agaisnt exist kernels etc etc etc... > > I can't remember if FC1 was the first one to use xorg-x11 rather than > XF86. If it was, then the upgrade should be pretty painless. If it > wasn't, then you may have the odd issue going from XF86 to xorg-x11. Thanks, I'm gonig to rsync the OS drive incase :) > > TTFN > > Paul > -- > "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer > -- Regards, Res From res at ausics.net Sat Oct 23 21:30:53 2004 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:30:53 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041023143912.GB22634@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1098537647.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410231506.02190.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098541379.11077.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041023143912.GB22634@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Alan Cox wrote: > The XFree to Xorg update also updates the necessary configuration files. > You should only hit problems with some proprietary driver modules. Cool, thanks Alan > -- Regards, Res From k7qo at commspeed.net Sat Oct 23 21:40:31 2004 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:40:31 -0700 Subject: K3b under FC3rc1 x86_64 - keep permissions Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041023142943.025b4f00@mail.commspeed.net> Before I bugzilla this I want to check with others to make sure it is not a user error on my part. In creating a backup DVD using K3b 0.11.14 under FC3rc1 on an AMD Athlon 64 system. When I setup the burn there is a "keep permissions" option that I select before starting the burn process. After burning the backup DVD. Upon mounting the DVD and then doing a "ls -ld *" on the directories the write bit is not set. I can "rcp -r" the directories to a hard drive and then "chmod -R +w " on the directories to get the write back, but I don't want to do this for obvious reasons. There may be some files and subdirectories that I do not want to accidently manipulate. There are no directories on the DVD with write permissions, but all the files seem to have the correct permissions. This is a user error on my part? FYI Chuck Adams, K7QO CP-60 WPM k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ http://www.commspeed.net/k7qo Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.279 / Virus Database: 264.12.2 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 From res at ausics.net Sat Oct 23 21:39:27 2004 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:39:27 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC1 to FC3 In-Reply-To: <20041023161014.GA10946@earthlink.net> References: <20041023161014.GA10946@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Jeff Ratliff wrote: > I used my old FC1 system as a test system for FC3. I initially upgraded > FC1 to FC3t1 and had no problems. I'm using an nVidia chipset and nVidia > graphics card reverted to the stock FC drivers rather than > the nVidia proprietary ones, because it was less trouble for future > updates. X11 to Xorg change wasn't even noticeable. As others have > pointed out, proprietary drivers may give you a few headaches. > > I still prefer a fresh install (with a backup just in case) to an > upgrade, but if you have to upgrade it'll probably work. Great to hear thanks! I've typically run upgrades on my personal desktops, the only times an upgrade failed was a very early RH (so long ago I cant reembmer) and from RH7.3 direct to FC1, the time I spent fixing it would have been faster to fresh install and rebuild my other non RH/FC stuff. -- Regards, Res From rodd at clarkson.id.au Sat Oct 23 21:54:56 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:56 +1000 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098541368.8973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098540972.8973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098541368.8973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098568496.9937.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 16:22 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 16:16 +0200, Matias F?liciano a ?crit : > > HelixPlayer _and_ gstreamer don't have mpeg codec because patent. > > If you are in a country where patents are no relevant, just pick this > > codec for gstreamer and Totem support mpeg video : > > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-ffmpeg/ > > Also available on rpm.livna (known as the non official "Fedora Extra non-US") : > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ It's a pity that livna isn't that up-to-date. It's only offering gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.1 and apparently many significant changes were made in gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.2 in an effort to solve some important issues. Or am I wrong? Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From joelbryanster at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 22:00:03 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:00:03 +0800 Subject: Support for Web Blogs.. Bloggers. & RSS Message-ID: Would you consider the inclusion of __standalone__ RSS/Atom Aggregators? Mozilla Thunderbird & Firefox have this functionality, but they both share other functionality. There is alot of standalone RSS/Atom Aggregators out there, here they are: --SnowNews (Console, ncurses), --Straw (Python/GNOME), --Syndigator (Perl/GTK) --RSSOwl (Java), --Liferea (GTK/GNOME). And also, please priority Mozilla Sunbird to make it to Fedora Core. -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless From alan at redhat.com Sat Oct 23 22:00:48 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:00:48 -0400 Subject: Anyone succesfully using atp870u? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041023220048.GB29985@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 05:03:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Is anyone succesfully using the atp870u driver -- in either fc3rc1, or FC2? Yes - I have my CD-ROM drives on it From mrsam at courier-mta.com Sat Oct 23 22:08:18 2004 From: mrsam at courier-mta.com (Sam Varshavchik) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:08:18 -0400 Subject: Anyone succesfully using atp870u? References: <20041023220048.GB29985@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Alan Cox writes: > On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 05:03:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> Is anyone succesfully using the atp870u driver -- in either fc3rc1, or FC2? > > Yes - I have my CD-ROM drives on it Are you loading it after booting, or from initrd? I'm trying to boot off this card. As far as I can tell, mkinitrd correctly puts the module into the initrd, and the right messages are emitted by the driver when it initializes. Except for the one that detects the hard drive. Can you try manually forcing this module into initrd, through mkinitrd, and see if it detects your CD-ROM drive? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Even if there's an option to Agree or Disagree to use MP3/MPG, and automatically download the codec, if this happen, then it's Ogg's turn to suffer, and it's Open Source Codec's turn to suffer from the gigantic grounds of __MP3__ and it's evil twin __MPG__ in their lair deep on the stagnant swamps. Please support the use of OGG's, FLAC & Theora, believe in the Open Souce.. In the development of building the Ultimate Super Codecs. Peace, Hallelujah.. On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:56 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 16:22 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > > Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 16:16 +0200, Matias F?liciano a ?crit : > > > HelixPlayer _and_ gstreamer don't have mpeg codec because patent. > > > If you are in a country where patents are no relevant, just pick this > > > codec for gstreamer and Totem support mpeg video : > > > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-ffmpeg/ > > > > Also available on rpm.livna (known as the non official "Fedora Extra non-US") : > > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ > > It's a pity that livna isn't that up-to-date. > > It's only offering gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.1 and apparently many > significant changes were made in gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.2 in an effort to > solve some important issues. > > Or am I wrong? > > Rodd > -- > >From the pain come the dream > >From the dream come the vision > >From the vision come the people > >From the people come the power > >From this power come the change > > - Peter Gabriel > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Sat Oct 23 22:25:31 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:25:31 -0700 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098540972.8973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098541368.8973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098568496.9937.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098570330.8881.0.camel@oscar.metro1.com> HERE, HERE! Bully! Nicely put. On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 15:23, joelbryan wrote: > People, Let's move on, give way to Theora, Ogg Vorbis, Speex and FLAC, > Fedora Core was this unique, because it's the only Distro that's doing > this. 100% Support for Open Source technology. Even if there's an > option to Agree or Disagree to use MP3/MPG, and automatically download > the codec, if this happen, then it's Ogg's turn to suffer, and it's > Open Source Codec's turn to suffer from the gigantic grounds of > __MP3__ and it's evil twin __MPG__ in their lair deep on the stagnant > swamps. Please support the use of OGG's, FLAC & Theora, believe in the > Open Souce.. In the development of building the Ultimate Super Codecs. > > Peace, > Hallelujah.. > > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:56 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 16:22 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > > > > > Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 16:16 +0200, Matias F?liciano a ?crit : > > > > HelixPlayer _and_ gstreamer don't have mpeg codec because patent. > > > > If you are in a country where patents are no relevant, just pick this > > > > codec for gstreamer and Totem support mpeg video : > > > > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-ffmpeg/ > > > > > > Also available on rpm.livna (known as the non official "Fedora Extra non-US") : > > > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ > > > > It's a pity that livna isn't that up-to-date. > > > > It's only offering gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.1 and apparently many > > significant changes were made in gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.2 in an effort to > > solve some important issues. > > > > Or am I wrong? > > > > Rodd > > -- > > >From the pain come the dream > > >From the dream come the vision > > >From the vision come the people > > >From the people come the power > > >From this power come the change > > > > - Peter Gabriel > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless -- From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Oct 23 22:30:05 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:30:05 +0200 Subject: Support for Web Blogs.. Bloggers. & RSS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041024003005.25bc2589.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:00:03 +0800, joelbryan wrote: > Would you consider the inclusion of __standalone__ RSS/Atom Aggregators? > Mozilla Thunderbird & Firefox have this functionality, but they both > share other functionality. > There is alot of standalone RSS/Atom Aggregators out there, here they are: > > --SnowNews (Console, ncurses), > --Straw (Python/GNOME), > --Liferea (GTK/GNOME). All three are available at http://fedora.us -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 1.35 1.46 1.69 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alan at redhat.com Sat Oct 23 22:34:12 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:34:12 -0400 Subject: Anyone succesfully using atp870u? In-Reply-To: References: <20041023220048.GB29985@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041023223412.GA31259@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 06:08:18PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Are you loading it after booting, or from initrd? I'm trying to boot off > this card. After booting > Can you try manually forcing this module into initrd, through mkinitrd, and > see if it detects your CD-ROM drive? Not for a while From juanqui at villafam.com Sat Oct 23 23:09:17 2004 From: juanqui at villafam.com (Juan C. Villa Colon) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:09:17 -0400 Subject: FW: up2date Message-ID: <3BE7869158DD77459D6D6C0B63D27BAD3C5C@jcvserver.villafam.com> I update my version of 'up2date' to the latest one. It does not come subscribed to any channels. I follow the instructions on the website (red hat) just in case but no luck there either. My up2date program can no longer check for updates. I am using yum now, any recommendations as to what I can do to get up2date working? 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Don't know why this happened this time, but if your updating to the latest up2date in rawhide/development, then your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file got renamed to sources.rpmsave and the new config file was named sources.rpmnew. I think one of the two should have kept the correct name? Just rename your old one or use the new one (and edit if need be) and that should fix it. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "It's always better to hurt a little now, than to hurt a lot later!" From linxt at comcast.net Sat Oct 23 23:18:05 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? Message-ID: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for fc3rc1? I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some reason the urls in the messages I've read previously had dns problems (extra characters mostly) Thanks, Tom -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Oct 23 23:53:20 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:53:20 +0200 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for fc3rc1? > I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some reason the urls in the > messages I've read previously had dns problems (extra characters mostly) Where did you search? It's right there in the list archives: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01948.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01250.html -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 2.52 2.24 1.95 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Oct 24 00:08:10 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:08:10 +0200 Subject: pam files being created as .rpmnew In-Reply-To: <1098390537.16636.6.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098390537.16636.6.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098576490.21866.8.camel@hostmaster.org> On Don, 2004-10-21 at 16:28 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > Has anyone else noticed a lot of files being created as .rpmnew with the > latest pam update? I don't recall changing these files... If you use a biarch system and have e.g. both pam.i386 and pam.x86_64 installed then yes, I have too seen this problem, filed a bug and got denied: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=128622 I guess this is an issue that needs to be brought before the steering committee, but I have no idea how to do this. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Experience is what you get when you expected something else. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Oct 24 00:29:21 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:29:21 +0200 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098455691.2692.0.camel@kyrre> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098455691.2692.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098577761.21866.17.camel@hostmaster.org> I am not talking about creating a basic Jabber account but using gateways and services. One of the great features of Jabber is that you can register with server-side eg. ICQ transport and get all your contacts with every Jabber client. Even more important you need need this functionality to search for other Jabber users. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key Prohibiting cryptography to prevent terrorism is as meaningful as ...prohibiting mumming to prevent bank robbery! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 24 01:28:48 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:28:48 -0400 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <200410232128.48136.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 23 October 2004 19:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: >> Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for >> fc3rc1? I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some >> reason the urls in the messages I've read previously had dns >> problems (extra characters mostly) > >Where did you search? It's right there in the list archives: > >http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg0194 >8.html > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01 >250.html Mmm, unforch, no dvd. I was going to just reburn the T3 disk I have that won't boot, it cannot get past a bogus attempt to start the pcmcia stuff on a box without such hardware. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rhally at mindspring.com Sun Oct 24 02:00:33 2004 From: rhally at mindspring.com (Richard Hally) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:00:33 -0400 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <200410232128.48136.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <200410232128.48136.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <417B0CC1.2000306@mindspring.com> Gene Heskett wrote: >On Saturday 23 October 2004 19:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > >>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: >> >> >>>Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for >>>fc3rc1? I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some >>>reason the urls in the messages I've read previously had dns >>>problems (extra characters mostly) >>> >>> >>Where did you search? It's right there in the list archives: >> >>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg0194 >>8.html >>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01 >>250.html >> >> > >Mmm, unforch, no dvd. I was going to just reburn the T3 disk I have >that won't boot, it cannot get past a bogus attempt to start the >pcmcia stuff on a box without such hardware. > > > What are you talking about "dvd"? Look here: http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/iso/ HTH Richard Hally From td3201 at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 02:14:14 2004 From: td3201 at gmail.com (Terry) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:14:14 -0500 Subject: APM - No support? Message-ID: <8ee061010410231914e6e10f0@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I just installed FC3T3 on a Dell latitude. [root at davt01-linux init.d]# apm No APM support in kernel [root at davt01-linux init.d]# ls /proc/apm ls: /proc/apm: No such file or directory [root at davt01-linux init.d]# modprobe apm FATAL: Module apm not found. What am I missing? Thanks, Terry From gene.heskett at verizon.net Sun Oct 24 02:16:26 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:16:26 -0400 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <417B0CC1.2000306@mindspring.com> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <200410232128.48136.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <417B0CC1.2000306@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <200410232216.26693.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Saturday 23 October 2004 22:00, Richard Hally wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >>On Saturday 23 October 2004 19:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: >>>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: >>>>Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for >>>>fc3rc1? I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some >>>>reason the urls in the messages I've read previously had dns >>>>problems (extra characters mostly) >>> >>>Where did you search? It's right there in the list archives: >>> >>>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01 >>>94 8.html >>>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg0 >>>1 250.html >> >>Mmm, unforch, no dvd. I was going to just reburn the T3 disk I >> have that won't boot, it cannot get past a bogus attempt to start >> the pcmcia stuff on a box without such hardware. > >What are you talking about "dvd"? Look here: >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/iso/ > >HTH >Richard Hally That link leads to a directory full of cd sized iso's/images. Which is fine if I wanted to burn another 5 bucks worth of cd's. But I also have re-writable dvd's, which I would rather use. Hence my comment re the missing dvd iso's. I'd assume is probably about 2.4GB in size if its similar to the FC3T3 dvd image. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From balay at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 24 02:17:41 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:17:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: APM - No support? In-Reply-To: <8ee061010410231914e6e10f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee061010410231914e6e10f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Terry wrote: > Hello, > > I just installed FC3T3 on a Dell latitude. > > [root at davt01-linux init.d]# apm > No APM support in kernel > > [root at davt01-linux init.d]# ls /proc/apm > ls: /proc/apm: No such file or directory > [root at davt01-linux init.d]# modprobe apm > FATAL: Module apm not found. > > What am I missing? The default is ACPI. To enable APM - you need to boot with kenel option 'acpi=off'. You can add this in /boot/grub/grub.conf Satish From mark at talios.com Sun Oct 24 02:25:04 2004 From: mark at talios.com (Mark Derricutt) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:25:04 +1300 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098541368.8973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098540972.8973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098541368.8973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <417B1280.2060600@talios.com> Matias F?liciano wrote: > Also available on rpm.livna (known as the non official "Fedora Extra non-US") : > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ Would be nice if some of these repos had repos that worked with FC3's yum, I guess we'll have to wait till FC3 is actually out before people will be bothered creating newer repos thou. From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sun Oct 24 03:07:53 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:07:53 -0700 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <417B1280.2060600@talios.com> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098540972.8973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098541368.8973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <417B1280.2060600@talios.com> Message-ID: <1098587273.11637.31.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 15:25 +1300, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > Also available on rpm.livna (known as the non official "Fedora Extra non-US") : > > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ > > Would be nice if some of these repos had repos that worked with FC3's > yum, I guess we'll have to wait till FC3 is actually out before people > will be bothered creating newer repos thou. Actually I've been using livna and fedora.us packages with the new yum since few days after the change was made. The baseurl you're looking for is where the mirror has the 'repodata' directory and is easy to find. (when you know what you're looking for) http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/yum/stable/RPMS/ http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/2/i386/yum/stable/RPMS/ http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ http://download.fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ You'll notice its the same fedora.us baseurl used previously (the 'headers' directory is also here). -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From royab at bc.edu Sun Oct 24 03:35:07 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:35:07 -0400 Subject: Experience with acpi Message-ID: <417B22EB.8070300@bc.edu> Hello: I have finally been able to suspend my laptop (Toshiba Satellite S703) using a script suspend_to_ram.sh in /etc/acpi/actions which is called on various events. The problem is that to suspend the laptop, I have to kill acpid. If acpid is kept on when I suspend, the laptop will go into suspend fine - but on resume, the machine will go into shutdown mode. So to suspend, I have to kill acpid. However, on resume, I now need acpid - after all, to see battery charge status etc... Now if I do start acpid with /usr/sbin/acpid, I get into the same trouble. The machine shuts down. I have attached the suspend_to_ram script below that I am using. Any suggestions from laptop users of FC3T3 ? This script was pulled from the web, I did a few changes to it. Is removing usb modules really necessary ? Amitabha -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: suspend_to_ram.sh Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 703 bytes Desc: not available URL: From balay at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 24 03:49:29 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Experience with acpi In-Reply-To: <417B22EB.8070300@bc.edu> References: <417B22EB.8070300@bc.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: > The problem is that to suspend the laptop, I have to kill acpid. If > acpid is kept on when I suspend, the laptop will go into suspend > fine - but on resume, the machine will go into shutdown mode. How do you do the 'resume from suspend'? With thinkpads I noticed the key binding changed from 'power' (for FC2) to the 'Fn' key in FC3-beta. Initially I was trying 'power' key for resume - and the laptop went into shutdown cycle.. Satish From royab at bc.edu Sun Oct 24 03:58:40 2004 From: royab at bc.edu (Amitabha Roy) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:58:40 -0400 Subject: Experience with acpi In-Reply-To: References: <417B22EB.8070300@bc.edu> Message-ID: <417B2870.6080208@bc.edu> I do the "resume from suspend" using the power button. there are two ways that the attached script works 1) this is the way I use it most of the time, hence a little more tested. I actually run sudo /etc/acpi/actions/suspend_to_ram.sh form a console. This way, the laptop goes into suspend state. When I open the lid at a later point, I have to press the power key to bring it up. 2) just close the lid on a working laptop. It goes into suspend like it should. When I open the lid, the event triggers a resume. IMHO, the shutdown mode is purely because acpid misinterprets the single sent to it when you press resume or open the lid. That is why I kill acpid before I go into suspend. Because on coming back, acpid will interpret the power button as a signal to shutdown (normally it is, but times are different now). When my laptop resumes from a shutdown mode, it does not have acpid running as a result and the apm module is loaded by default. I get the bogus "No battery" warning. Satish Balay wrote: >On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > > >>The problem is that to suspend the laptop, I have to kill acpid. If >>acpid is kept on when I suspend, the laptop will go into suspend >>fine - but on resume, the machine will go into shutdown mode. >> >> > >How do you do the 'resume from suspend'? > >With thinkpads I noticed the key binding changed from 'power' (for >FC2) to the 'Fn' key in FC3-beta. > >Initially I was trying 'power' key for resume - and the laptop went >into shutdown cycle.. > >Satish > > > From webmaster at margo.bijoux.nom.br Sun Oct 24 03:05:37 2004 From: webmaster at margo.bijoux.nom.br (Pedro Fernandes Macedo) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:05:37 -0200 Subject: Kernel Panic on JFS install of test 3 In-Reply-To: <1098059606.4247.85.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> References: <4171685D.708@margo.bijoux.nom.br> <1098059606.4247.85.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> Message-ID: <417B1C01.8080505@margo.bijoux.nom.br> Colin Charles wrote: >On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 04:28, Pedro Fernandes Macedo wrote: > > >>I've just tried to install test 3 on my system here using JFS (to check >>if an old JFS crashing bug was fixed - bug number 122603) and found >>other bug... >> >> > >selinux=0 I presume > > > Yep.. I wish jfs had the necessary support for selinux.... >Remove mount by labels in /etc/fstab and pass the actual device name, >and see if that works (so re-mount in rescue mode, to fix) > > Didnt need to go that far... Changing the root=LABEL=/1 in grub to point to the right device did the trick... Now I only need to update the kernel to check if the problem is gone for good (my connection is having issues this week and the ISP is taking ages to solve this problem... it's not fun to download all those updates at 5KB/s....) I'll report later if any update fix this.. if not , time to bugzilla it... -- Pedro Macedo From linxt at comcast.net Sun Oct 24 04:27:35 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Tom Taylor) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:27:35 -0700 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <200410232127.35876.linxt@comcast.net> On Saturday 23 October 2004 16:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > > Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for fc3rc1? > > I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some reason the urls in > > the messages I've read previously had dns problems (extra characters > > mostly) > > Where did you search? It's right there in the list archives: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01948.html > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01250.html Hi Michael: Thanks for the response. I have not been able to download the fc3rc1 files from the sites mentioned in those messages, either today or previously. I've tried using Firefox, Mozilla and Konqueror. All respond the same way, with a binary file display on the screen but no actual download, at least, not one I can use. Does anyone know of an ftp site? Thanks, Tom -- Tom Taylor registered linux user #263467 From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sun Oct 24 04:35:16 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:35:16 -0500 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <200410232127.35876.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <200410232127.35876.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1098592516.25136.5.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 21:27 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > On Saturday 23 October 2004 16:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > > > Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for fc3rc1? > > > I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some reason the urls in > > > the messages I've read previously had dns problems (extra characters > > > mostly) > > > > Where did you search? It's right there in the list archives: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01948.html > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01250.html > > Hi Michael: > > Thanks for the response. I have not been able to download the fc3rc1 files > from the sites mentioned in those messages, either today or previously. I've > tried using Firefox, Mozilla and Konqueror. All respond the same way, with a > binary file display on the screen but no actual download, at least, not one I > can use. > > Does anyone know of an ftp site? Tom - Try to right click on the link and choose "save target as..." to save the ISO images. Thomas From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Sun Oct 24 06:39:55 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:39:55 -0400 Subject: yum and low memory kernel behaviour Message-ID: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> I have a small memory notebook (old Dell Latitude) with only 64MB of RAM. It is running FC3t3+rawhide (2004-10-23) using XFCE. I mostly use it as an intelligent terminal to other machines across the LAN, however I expect it to be able to do other things (very) slowly when I need it to do so. The system _should_ swap to disk when necessary, but recent kernels have been more inclined to invoke the OOM killer and kill off various services. Yum 2.1.10-3 is very good at trigerring this problem. Trying to create the pickle for the development repository will consistently kill the machine. I've boosted "swappiness" to 90 and tried, but that doesn't help. It still ends up killing the XFCE services and itself. I can't quite figure out whether this is a bug in the kernel (1.640) or yum? Comments, analysis? Dell Latitude 300CPi Pentium II MMX @ 300MHz 64MB RAM 6GB disk (640MB swap) FC3T3+rawhide(2004-10-23) -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From justin.conover at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 07:06:26 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:06:26 -0500 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: d/l now from both mirrors. On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT), Elliot Lee wrote: > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > Please try to break it. Especially interesting are bugs in the kernel, and > any installer bugs resulting from kernel changes. > > Have fun, > -- Elliot > We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from > playing with matches. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 24 07:12:27 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:12:27 -0400 Subject: yum and low memory kernel behaviour In-Reply-To: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> References: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> Message-ID: <1098601947.24541.4.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 02:39 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > I have a small memory notebook (old Dell Latitude) with only 64MB of > RAM. It is running FC3t3+rawhide (2004-10-23) using XFCE. I mostly use > it as an intelligent terminal to other machines across the LAN, however > I expect it to be able to do other things (very) slowly when I need it > to do so. The system _should_ swap to disk when necessary, but recent > kernels have been more inclined to invoke the OOM killer and kill off > various services. > > Yum 2.1.10-3 is very good at trigerring this problem. Trying to create > the pickle for the development repository will consistently kill the > machine. The pickle for the development repository would be about 200MB of memory to read then write out. There's no way to do what you want to do in 64M of ram w/o swapping. -sv From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Sun Oct 24 07:31:51 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:31:51 -0400 Subject: yum and low memory kernel behaviour In-Reply-To: <1098601947.24541.4.camel@binkley> References: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1098601947.24541.4.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041024073151.GA29302@wolves.durham.nc.us> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:12:27AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 02:39 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > > I have a small memory notebook (old Dell Latitude) with only 64MB of > > RAM. It is running FC3t3+rawhide (2004-10-23) using XFCE. I mostly use > > it as an intelligent terminal to other machines across the LAN, however > > I expect it to be able to do other things (very) slowly when I need it > > to do so. The system _should_ swap to disk when necessary, but recent > > kernels have been more inclined to invoke the OOM killer and kill off > > various services. > > > > Yum 2.1.10-3 is very good at trigerring this problem. Trying to create > > the pickle for the development repository will consistently kill the > > machine. > > The pickle for the development repository would be about 200MB of memory > to read then write out. > > There's no way to do what you want to do in 64M of ram w/o swapping. > > -sv Of course it can't do it without swapping. But it *should* swap and run slowly rather than kill off the machine with the OOM_killer. Whose problem is it? The kernel for not managing swap right, or yum for not allowing the use of swap space for making the pickle? -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 24 07:43:23 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:43:23 -0400 Subject: yum and low memory kernel behaviour In-Reply-To: <20041024073151.GA29302@wolves.durham.nc.us> References: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1098601947.24541.4.camel@binkley> <20041024073151.GA29302@wolves.durham.nc.us> Message-ID: <1098603803.24541.6.camel@binkley> > Of course it can't do it without swapping. > But it *should* swap and run slowly rather than kill off the machine > with the OOM_killer. > Whose problem is it? The kernel for not managing swap right, or yum for > not allowing the use of swap space for making the pickle? I do not know of anyway of a userland application to force the kernel to not allow the use of swap. I can tell you definitely that I have not intentionally programmed yum to do that. -sv From joelbryanster at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 08:01:02 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:01:02 -0700 Subject: Gmail Invites!! Message-ID: To anyone at Redhat, I'm giving away Gmail invites, if you include Mozilla Sunbird to the Final FC3.. I have 4 invites left. -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot From pnasrat at redhat.com Sun Oct 24 08:43:43 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:43:43 +0100 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098553684.8973.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098550173.8447.2.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098553684.8973.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098607423.17438.18.camel@anu.eridu> On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 19:48 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 12:49 -0400, Colin Walters a ?crit : > I already state in fedora-config-list that s-c-sc is quite broken. In > short, the maintainer say me "go away" (or some like) and request me to > file known bugs. Please, no-one was telling you to go away - asking you to file bugs and break things down is a very different thing. Communication goes both ways. This sounds very bitter and hostile, and I thought we'd started to bridge the misunderstandings here. > It's done since 2004-10-01 : > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134339 > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134321 > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134318 Yes and those were acknowledged on config list, I'm sure that when development unfreezes again things will start to progress, but posts that sound like trolls (even if unintentionally) aren't going to help. Paul From bruma at email.si Sun Oct 24 10:00:54 2004 From: bruma at email.si (b r u ma) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:00:54 +0200 Subject: sit0 device and SNMP In-Reply-To: <10887.80.58.4.107.1098385015.squirrel@80.58.4.107> References: <4176A5A0.1060802@email.si> <4177F618.5090808@redhat.com> <10887.80.58.4.107.1098385015.squirrel@80.58.4.107> Message-ID: <417B7D56.8070509@email.si> Fernando Gozalo wrote: >>b r u ma wrote: >> >>>hi, >>> >>>This is question for Fedora 1, not sure if this is right list, but any >>>way ... >>> >>>When I run >>>$ snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost ifDescr >>> >>>i get this: >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.1 = STRING: lo >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.2 = STRING: eth0 >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.3 = STRING: eth1 >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.4 = STRING: eth2 >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.5 = STRING: ppp0 >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.6 = STRING: sit0 >>> >>>but sometimes after reboot, ppp0 and sit0 device change order: >>>... >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.4 = STRING: eth2 >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.5 = STRING: sit0 >>>IF-MIB::ifDescr.6 = STRING: ppp0 >>> >>>I use SNMP to monitor traffic (MRTG) on ppp0, because of this switching, >>>I'm sometimes monitoring wrong data... >>> >>>Strange thing is that I never used sit0 device, also $ifconfig don't >>>list it, so why is there? How do I remove it, or make it fixed? >>> >>>regards bruma >>> >> >>I've talked a little with the net-snmp folks and if you look at the >>mailinglist of the net-snmp-coders-list they are working on fixing this >>ordering. >> >>Don't forget though that adding new devices during the runtime of your >>system can lead to these kinds of changes, no matter what. >> >>Read ya, Phil >> >>PS: And yes, i agree, it's very annoying that it does this, but imho >>MRTG would just need to be a little more intelligent and one should be >>able to specify a device name instead of a index number for monitoring. >>So one could argue that it's actually a (design) bug in MRTG. > > > You can config MRTG to query using the IP configured in the interface > instead of the index of the interface. See MRTG config manual. > > Un saludo. > Fernando. > > thanks for tip Fernando :) From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 24 10:03:15 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:03:15 +0200 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098607423.17438.18.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098550173.8447.2.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098553684.8973.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098607423.17438.18.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1098612195.8973.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 24 octobre 2004 ? 09:43 +0100, Paul Nasrat a ?crit : > On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 19:48 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 12:49 -0400, Colin Walters a ?crit : > > > I already state in fedora-config-list that s-c-sc is quite broken. In > > short, the maintainer say me "go away" (or some like) and request me to > > file known bugs. > > Please, no-one was telling you to go away No-one. Humm... The point is that it's anormal that these _old_ bugs are still in FC3 and not are marked as "ASSIGNED" or in FC3Blocker/FC3Target . > - asking you to file bugs Bugs are filed (since November 1st) and what I get ? One bug closed with "NOTABUG" : http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134358 > and break things down is a very different thing. > Communication goes both ways. Right. > This sounds very bitter and hostile, Yes. "Fedora project is perfect and all criticism are irrelevant" is not an answers for all problems. > and I thought we'd started > to bridge the misunderstandings here. > > > It's done since 2004-10-01 : > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134339 > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134321 > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134318 > > Yes and those were acknowledged on config list, I'm sure that when > development unfreezes again things will start to progress, but posts > that sound like trolls (even if unintentionally) aren't going to help. > > Paul > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From ben.steeves at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 10:57:59 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:57:59 -0300 Subject: Gmail Invites!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ebb24d10410240357deab1de@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:01:02 -0700, joelbryan wrote: > To anyone at Redhat, I'm giving away Gmail invites, if you include > Mozilla Sunbird to the Final FC3.. I have 4 invites left. You do realize, of course, that gmail invites are really common now, right? If you use up your 4, I'm willing to bet you'll get 6 more the next day... ...and besides, FC3 has been in major version freeze since the first of September. It's far too late to get a package added now. But you could file a RFE for FC4. -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From ben.steeves at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 11:05:15 2004 From: ben.steeves at gmail.com (Ben Steeves) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:05:15 -0300 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <200410232127.35876.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <200410232127.35876.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7ebb24d1041024040542e000f3@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:27:35 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > Thanks for the response. I have not been able to download the fc3rc1 files > from the sites mentioned in those messages, either today or previously. I've > tried using Firefox, Mozilla and Konqueror. All respond the same way, with a > binary file display on the screen but no actual download, at least, not one I > can use. > > Does anyone know of an ftp site? Use BitTorrent -- much less hassle. http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ -- Ben Steeves _ bcs at metacon.ca The ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) ben.steeves at gmail.com against HTML e-mail X GPG ID: 0xB3EBF1D9 http://www.metacon.ca/bcs / \ Yahoo Messenger: ben_steeves From jorton at redhat.com Sun Oct 24 11:19:45 2004 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:19:45 +0100 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:36:35PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:22 +0900, Makoto Otsu wrote: > > Apache configtest not work > > > > The following commands display nothing. > > > > # service httpd configtest > > > > or > > > > # httpd -t > > Right - this is a consequence of the SELinux policy for Apache. We do > not want the httpd process to have access to your terminal. If it did, > a compromised or buggy httpd process could do very bad things. > > The fix is to break the config-testing bit into its own binary. We > could have a wrapper around /usr/sbin/httpd which would parse arguments, > and exec /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest if the -t option is passed, > otherwise we exec /usr/sbin/httpd.real. Oh, this is still so insane! Do you want two copies of libphp4.so, one which contains just the "config testing" code too, or what? Because testing the config file involves *interpreting* the config file. If the problem is to inhibit terminal access can't we just run it under some "tee" like binary from the init script, so at least that works? joe From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sun Oct 24 11:58:49 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:58:49 +0200 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <7ebb24d1041024040542e000f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <20041024015320.01ec15ee.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> <200410232127.35876.linxt@comcast.net> <7ebb24d1041024040542e000f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041024135849.03593ea3.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:05:15 -0300, Ben Steeves wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:27:35 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > > Thanks for the response. I have not been able to download the fc3rc1 files > > from the sites mentioned in those messages, either today or previously. I've > > tried using Firefox, Mozilla and Konqueror. All respond the same way, with a > > binary file display on the screen but no actual download, at least, not one I > > can use. > > > > Does anyone know of an ftp site? > > Use BitTorrent -- much less hassle. http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ The FC3RC1 is not offered there. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 1.13 0.86 0.45 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From boris_89 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 24 13:13:47 2004 From: boris_89 at hotmail.com (Boris Carollo) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:13:47 +0100 Subject: Wastebasket icon error with Gnome Message-ID: I've noticed this image error. When the Wastebasket is empty, the icon is the default Bluecurve. If I try to move something to the Wastebasket, the icon changes and becomes with the Gnome default theme. Bluecurve problem, or icon missing... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From boris_89 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 24 13:18:36 2004 From: boris_89 at hotmail.com (Boris Carollo) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:18:36 +0100 Subject: Wastebasket icon error with Gnome Message-ID: Almost forgot, this problem is in a FC3 Test 3. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 24 13:54:05 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:54:05 -0400 Subject: yum and low memory kernel behaviour In-Reply-To: <1098603803.24541.6.camel@binkley> References: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1098601947.24541.4.camel@binkley> <20041024073151.GA29302@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1098603803.24541.6.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20041024135405.GA9643@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:43:23AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > I do not know of anyway of a userland application to force the kernel to > not allow the use of swap. I can tell you definitely that I have not > intentionally programmed yum to do that. mlockall(). It is normally the wrong thing to do. You can also hint to the kernel that stuff is no longer needed using madvise(). This sounds rather more like an application programming issue however 8) From alan at redhat.com Sun Oct 24 13:56:56 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:56:56 -0400 Subject: Gmail Invites!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041024135656.GB9643@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:01:02AM -0700, joelbryan wrote: > To anyone at Redhat, I'm giving away Gmail invites, if you include > Mozilla Sunbird to the Final FC3.. I have 4 invites left. No bribery here, and FC3 is as good as frozen. You *could* of course persuade Fedora.us to carry it by packaging and submitting it if it hasn't been done yet. Sunbird isn't really ready yet anyway, my wife broke it first try 8) From carwyn at carwyn.com Sun Oct 24 16:28:55 2004 From: carwyn at carwyn.com (Carwyn Edwards) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:28:55 +0100 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade Message-ID: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> I have just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 then synced up to the current rawhide. All went well apart from the nvidia troubles but the latest nvidia dev rpms on livna fix everything quite well. What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files are present (rpm -V passes on both). At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. Am I missing something obvious here? Carwyn From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Oct 24 14:28:20 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:28:20 -0600 Subject: Anyone having problems with inet0 and gkrellm 2.2.2-2? Message-ID: <417BBC04.6040602@xmission.com> I posted a bug 136822 on gkrellm 2.2.2-2 this week. inet0 doesn't seem to have any activity when setting up http 80 8080 and ftp 21. Anyone else seeing this. Maintainer is probably going to wait till after fc3 is released to fix it. Thanks, RaXeT From joe.borne at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 14:32:40 2004 From: joe.borne at gmail.com (Joe Borne) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:32:40 -0400 Subject: A little off subject In-Reply-To: <20041024043534.E6C54737D4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041024043534.E6C54737D4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone point me to a good howto, for hosting multiple websites on a single linux box with a single IP? I'd prefer something Fedora-centric (Server runs Fed-Core-2 Final) Thanks in advance.. Joe From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sun Oct 24 15:00:21 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:00:21 +0100 Subject: A little off subject In-Reply-To: <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041024043534.E6C54737D4@hormel.redhat.com> <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098630021.11077.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > Can anyone point me to a good howto, for hosting multiple websites on > a single linux box with a single IP? IIRC, you need to alter the httpd.conf file for each "virtual" site. You may also need to set up a DNS server. TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Oct 24 15:06:45 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:06:45 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> Message-ID: <1098630405.5178.5.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 17:28 +0100, Carwyn Edwards wrote: > I have just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 then synced up to the current > rawhide. All went well apart from the nvidia troubles but the latest > nvidia dev rpms on livna fix everything quite well. > > What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu > items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. > > Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files > are present (rpm -V passes on both). > > At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even > changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > Carwyn > For Mozilla, Bugzilla: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134801 May want to add a comment. Also seem to be missing an Evolution entry - hadn't noticed as it's on the toolbar. Phil PS - check your clock. You're coming from the future. From javaman67 at acd.net Sun Oct 24 15:11:03 2004 From: javaman67 at acd.net (Brian Craft) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:11:03 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> Message-ID: <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 17:28 +0100, Carwyn Edwards wrote: > I have just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 then synced up to the current > rawhide. All went well apart from the nvidia troubles but the latest > nvidia dev rpms on livna fix everything quite well. > > What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu > items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. > > Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files > are present (rpm -V passes on both). > > At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even > changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > Carwyn > I noticed the same........but on a clean install of FC3 RC1 .....Mozilla and Evolution are missing in the menu, but installed. -- Brian Craft Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: bcraft67 AIM: linuxman67 Linux Counter id: 97873 Linux......the OS of Choice! From P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org Sun Oct 24 15:29:27 2004 From: P.R.Schaffner at IEEE.org (Phil Schaffner) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:29:27 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> Message-ID: <1098631767.5178.9.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 11:11 -0400, Brian Craft wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 17:28 +0100, Carwyn Edwards wrote: > > I have just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 then synced up to the current > > rawhide. All went well apart from the nvidia troubles but the latest > > nvidia dev rpms on livna fix everything quite well. > > > > What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu > > items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. > > > > Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files > > are present (rpm -V passes on both). > > > > At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even > > changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. > > > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > > > Carwyn > > > > I noticed the same........but on a clean install of FC3 RC1 .....Mozilla > and Evolution are missing in the menu, but installed. > > > -- > Brian Craft > > Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: bcraft67 > AIM: linuxman67 > Linux Counter id: 97873 > Linux......the OS of Choice! > Please add comments... Evolution - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136972 Have only verified for FC2 + development Evolution. Mozilla - http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134801 Phil From volinux at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 15:30:19 2004 From: volinux at gmail.com (Patrick Jordan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:30:19 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:11:03 -0400, Brian Craft wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 17:28 +0100, Carwyn Edwards wrote: > > I have just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 then synced up to the current > > rawhide. All went well apart from the nvidia troubles but the latest > > nvidia dev rpms on livna fix everything quite well. > > > > What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu > > items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. > > > > Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files > > are present (rpm -V passes on both). > > > > At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even > > changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. > > > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > If you change NoDisplay=true to false in the /usr/share/applications/mozilla.desktop and redhat-email.desktop files they'll come back. Not sure why it was changed though. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Sun Oct 24 15:50:29 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:50:29 -0400 Subject: yum and low memory kernel behaviour In-Reply-To: <20041024135405.GA9643@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1098601947.24541.4.camel@binkley> <20041024073151.GA29302@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1098603803.24541.6.camel@binkley> <20041024135405.GA9643@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098633029.24541.8.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 09:54 -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:43:23AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > I do not know of anyway of a userland application to force the kernel to > > not allow the use of swap. I can tell you definitely that I have not > > intentionally programmed yum to do that. > > mlockall(). > > It is normally the wrong thing to do. You can also hint to the kernel that > stuff is no longer needed using madvise(). > > This sounds rather more like an application programming issue however 8) Well, I'm open to suggestions. There is 200M of data to be written to a pickle file and I don't know of any way to write the pickle out in little pieces. -sv From dvdbtty at netscape.net Sun Oct 24 16:12:14 2004 From: dvdbtty at netscape.net (David McCormick) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:12:14 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS Message-ID: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> I just installed a USB Iomega Zip-100 drive on my FC3T3 box and I can read and copy files from the disk but can't write to it. I checked the permissions and it lists the user as the owner and group. however the user can't write to it and neither can root. It just gives the arror message you don't have permission to write to this folder. Where would the permissions have to be changerd? I tried /udev and /dev both say the permission is there. Dave From fedora at kjb.dds.nl Sun Oct 24 16:21:23 2004 From: fedora at kjb.dds.nl (Klaasjan Brand) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:21:23 +0200 Subject: A little off subject In-Reply-To: <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041024043534.E6C54737D4@hormel.redhat.com> <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098634883.5119.3.camel@isengard> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 10:32 -0400, Joe Borne wrote: > Can anyone point me to a good howto, for hosting multiple websites on > a single linux box with a single IP? I'd prefer something > Fedora-centric (Server runs Fed-Core-2 Final) You need the apache httpd packages and if you want a configuration gui the system-config-httpd package. The generic apache configuration documentation is on: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/vhosts/ You can use the gui under system settings->server settings->httpd if you don't like editing the configuration file directly. Klaasjan From ngierman at roadrunn.com Sun Oct 24 17:06:15 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:06:15 -0500 Subject: A little off subject In-Reply-To: <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041024043534.E6C54737D4@hormel.redhat.com> <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098637575.27835.6.camel@presario.roadrunn.com> I run about 12 websites off a single linux box and single IP. I am using the apache2 dynamic vhosts "function". I have included the dynamic-vhosts.conf file and modified it to my distribution (using Gentoo for the server) dynamic-vhosts.conf: ----- UseCanonicalName Off LogFormat "%V %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-agent}i \"" vcommon CustomLog logs/access_log vcommon VirtualDocumentRoot /var/www/vhosts/%0/htdocs VirtualScriptAlias /var/www/vhosts/%0/cgi-bin ----- All I have to do to stand up another website is add a directory in /var/www/vhosts of the domain name and an htdocs (and cgi-bin if needed) folder under that. Also don't forget to add the read permissions to htdocs, and execcgi to cgi-bin in your main apache conf file: AllowOverride All Options ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Options MultiViews Indexes FollowSymLinks IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 10:32 -0400, Joe Borne wrote: > Can anyone point me to a good howto, for hosting multiple websites on > a single linux box with a single IP? I'd prefer something > Fedora-centric (Server runs Fed-Core-2 Final) > > Thanks in advance.. > > Joe > -- Neil Gierman From rpa4email at rogers.com Sun Oct 24 17:18:27 2004 From: rpa4email at rogers.com (Robert Couture) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:18:27 -0400 Subject: Gmail Invites!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098638307.14502.18.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> On Sun, 2004-24-10 at 01:01 -0700, joelbryan wrote: > To anyone at Redhat, I'm giving away Gmail invites, if you include > Mozilla Sunbird to the Final FC3.. I have 4 invites left. I like a gmail invite, but I can't get you Sunbird :) Robert. From m_epling at comcast.net Sun Oct 24 17:21:55 2004 From: m_epling at comcast.net (AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:21:55 -0500 Subject: Gmail Invites!! In-Reply-To: <1098638307.14502.18.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> References: <1098638307.14502.18.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> Message-ID: <1098638515.5689.4.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> yea same here if ya got a gmail invite to spare . On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 13:18 -0400, Robert Couture wrote: > On Sun, 2004-24-10 at 01:01 -0700, joelbryan wrote: > > > To anyone at Redhat, I'm giving away Gmail invites, if you include > > Mozilla Sunbird to the Final FC3.. I have 4 invites left. > > I like a gmail invite, but I can't get you Sunbird :) > > Robert. > > > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 17:39:35 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:39:35 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> Message-ID: <604aa79104102410396c26ee13@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:12:14 -0400, David McCormick wrote: > I just installed a USB Iomega Zip-100 drive on my FC3T3 box and I can > read and copy files from the disk but can't write to it. have you updated to latest development packages? or are you still using what came with fc3t3? The latest packages in the development tree should no longer have this problem. -jef From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 24 17:47:13 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:47:13 +0200 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> reminds me of some trouble there was with SELinux... s?n, 24.10.2004 kl. 18.12 skrev David McCormick: > I just installed a USB Iomega Zip-100 drive on my FC3T3 box and I can > read and copy files from the disk but can't write to it. I checked the > permissions and it lists the user as the owner and group. however the > user can't write to it and neither can root. It just gives the arror > message you don't have permission to write to this folder. Where would > the permissions have to be changerd? I tried /udev and /dev both say > the permission is there. > > Dave From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 24 17:54:13 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:54:13 +0200 Subject: yum and low memory kernel behaviour In-Reply-To: <20041024073151.GA29302@wolves.durham.nc.us> References: <20041024063955.GA22580@wolves.durham.nc.us> <1098601947.24541.4.camel@binkley> <20041024073151.GA29302@wolves.durham.nc.us> Message-ID: <1098640453.2690.5.camel@kyrre> s?n, 24.10.2004 kl. 09.31 skrev Gregory Woodbury: > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 03:12:27AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 02:39 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > > > I have a small memory notebook (old Dell Latitude) with only 64MB of > > > RAM. It is running FC3t3+rawhide (2004-10-23) using XFCE. I mostly use > > > it as an intelligent terminal to other machines across the LAN, however > > > I expect it to be able to do other things (very) slowly when I need it > > > to do so. The system _should_ swap to disk when necessary, but recent > > > kernels have been more inclined to invoke the OOM killer and kill off > > > various services. > > > > > > Yum 2.1.10-3 is very good at trigerring this problem. Trying to create > > > the pickle for the development repository will consistently kill the > > > machine. > > > > The pickle for the development repository would be about 200MB of memory > > to read then write out. > > > > There's no way to do what you want to do in 64M of ram w/o swapping. > > > > -sv > > Of course it can't do it without swapping. > But it *should* swap and run slowly rather than kill off the machine > with the OOM_killer. > Whose problem is it? The kernel for not managing swap right, or yum for > not allowing the use of swap space for making the pickle? How much swap do you have? And btw - why does not the kernel kill the "perpetrator" - in this case yum, but i have also seen gs cause this - gs ate al the mem and the kernel began killing the dock-apps... Starting in the wrong end? Kyrre From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 24 17:57:11 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:57:11 +0200 Subject: FC3rc1 iso? In-Reply-To: <200410232216.26693.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410231618.05508.linxt@comcast.net> <200410232128.48136.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <417B0CC1.2000306@mindspring.com> <200410232216.26693.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1098640631.2690.7.camel@kyrre> NFS install is a really nice thing ... s?n, 24.10.2004 kl. 04.16 skrev Gene Heskett: > On Saturday 23 October 2004 22:00, Richard Hally wrote: > >Gene Heskett wrote: > >>On Saturday 23 October 2004 19:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >>>On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:18:05 -0700, Tom Taylor wrote: > >>>>Would someone PLEASE send a url where I could download an iso for > >>>>fc3rc1? I've searched but not had luck locating it. For some > >>>>reason the urls in the messages I've read previously had dns > >>>>problems (extra characters mostly) > >>> > >>>Where did you search? It's right there in the list archives: > >>> > >>>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-October/msg01 > >>>94 8.html > >>>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg0 > >>>1 250.html > >> > >>Mmm, unforch, no dvd. I was going to just reburn the T3 disk I > >> have that won't boot, it cannot get past a bogus attempt to start > >> the pcmcia stuff on a box without such hardware. > > > >What are you talking about "dvd"? Look here: > >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/iso/ > > > >HTH > >Richard Hally > > That link leads to a directory full of cd sized iso's/images. Which > is fine if I wanted to burn another 5 bucks worth of cd's. But I > also have re-writable dvd's, which I would rather use. Hence my > comment re the missing dvd iso's. I'd assume is probably about 2.4GB > in size if its similar to the FC3T3 dvd image. > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly > Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message > by Gene Heskett are: > Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 24 18:06:10 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:06:10 +0200 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098577761.21866.17.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098455691.2692.0.camel@kyrre> <1098577761.21866.17.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <1098641170.2690.9.camel@kyrre> Gaim is quite nice there - it lets you combine a lot of protocolls into one big list :) s?n, 24.10.2004 kl. 02.29 skrev Thomas Zehetbauer: > I am not talking about creating a basic Jabber account but using > gateways and services. One of the great features of Jabber is that you > can register with server-side eg. ICQ transport and get all your > contacts with every Jabber client. Even more important you need need > this functionality to search for other Jabber users. > > Tom From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 24 18:08:25 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:08:25 +0200 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098538411.11077.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539421.8973.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098539997.11077.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098540972.8973.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098541368.8973.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098568496.9937.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098641304.2690.11.camel@kyrre> s?n, 24.10.2004 kl. 00.23 skrev joelbryan: > People, Let's move on, give way to Theora, Ogg Vorbis, Speex and FLAC, > Fedora Core was this unique, because it's the only Distro that's doing > this. 100% Support for Open Source technology. Even if there's an > option to Agree or Disagree to use MP3/MPG, and automatically download > the codec, if this happen, then it's Ogg's turn to suffer, and it's > Open Source Codec's turn to suffer from the gigantic grounds of > __MP3__ and it's evil twin __MPG__ in their lair deep on the stagnant > swamps. Please support the use of OGG's, FLAC & Theora, believe in the > Open Souce.. In the development of building the Ultimate Super Codecs. > > Peace, > Hallelujah.. > Agreed. And the quality is much nicer, too... But having an _option_ to install mp3 etc, but never setting it as default for rippers etc., wouldn't be to bad. > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:56 +1000, Rodd Clarkson wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 16:22 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > > > > > Le samedi 23 octobre 2004 ? 16:16 +0200, Matias F?liciano a ?crit : > > > > HelixPlayer _and_ gstreamer don't have mpeg codec because patent. > > > > If you are in a country where patents are no relevant, just pick this > > > > codec for gstreamer and Totem support mpeg video : > > > > http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-ffmpeg/ > > > > > > Also available on rpm.livna (known as the non official "Fedora Extra non-US") : > > > http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ > > > > It's a pity that livna isn't that up-to-date. > > > > It's only offering gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.1 and apparently many > > significant changes were made in gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.8.2 in an effort to > > solve some important issues. > > > > Or am I wrong? > > > > Rodd > > -- > > >From the pain come the dream > > >From the dream come the vision > > >From the vision come the people > > >From the people come the power > > >From this power come the change > > > > - Peter Gabriel > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- > Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes > Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany > Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 > Distro = Fedora Core > Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML > Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb > Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit > Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Sun Oct 24 19:11:09 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:11:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) Message-ID: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Just had a first look at FC3-rc1 that I downloaded overnight last night and have just burned to CD's and noticed that the release notes and readme files on the rescue CD still refer to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3 From ufo at linux.net.mk Sun Oct 24 19:14:05 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:14:05 +0200 Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) In-Reply-To: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <417BFEFD.5010009@linux.net.mk> DAVID BENTLEY wrote: >Just had a first look at FC3-rc1 that I downloaded >overnight last night and have just burned to CD's and >noticed that the release notes and readme files on the >rescue CD still refer to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3 > Other than that? How is it holding? Any problems? Arangel From thomasz at hostmaster.org Sun Oct 24 19:16:05 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:16:05 +0200 Subject: Proposal for the future: jabberd In-Reply-To: <1098641170.2690.9.camel@kyrre> References: <44549.62.2.21.164.1098255156.squirrel@62.2.21.164> <1098309496.20131.100.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098455691.2692.0.camel@kyrre> <1098577761.21866.17.camel@hostmaster.org> <1098641170.2690.9.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098645365.21866.29.camel@hostmaster.org> On Son, 2004-10-24 at 20:06 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Gaim is quite nice there - it lets you combine a lot of protocolls into > one big list :) Yes, but client side, you need to configure each protocol on every Gaim installation you want to use, Jabber can give you all protocols and contacts with one simple client. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key We are tied to the ocean. And we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch it we are going back from whence we came. - John F. Kennedy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From glenlivet at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 24 18:21:36 2004 From: glenlivet at sbcglobal.net (Dan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:21:36 -0500 Subject: No PS/2 mouse with Synaptics touch pad. Message-ID: <417BF2B0.4000406@sbcglobal.net> Howdy, I just updated my system to Core2 from Core1. I am running a Compaq Armada 110. In Core1 the Synaptics touch pad on the keyboard did not function but if I plugged in a PS/2 mouse it (the mouse) functioned fine. No big deal the built-in touchpad is a pain in the keister anyway. Since the update to Core 2 the Synaptics touch pad works AOK but when I plug in a PS/2 mouse the system does not recognize the mouse.... Any suggestions??? Dan Schreiber From javaman67 at acd.net Sun Oct 24 19:26:13 2004 From: javaman67 at acd.net (Brian Craft) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:26:13 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> Message-ID: <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 11:30 -0400, Patrick Jordan wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:11:03 -0400, Brian Craft wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 17:28 +0100, Carwyn Edwards wrote: > > > I have just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 then synced up to the current > > > rawhide. All went well apart from the nvidia troubles but the latest > > > nvidia dev rpms on livna fix everything quite well. > > > > > > What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu > > > items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. > > > > > > Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files > > > are present (rpm -V passes on both). > > > > > > At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even > > > changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. > > > > > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > > > If you change NoDisplay=true to false in the > /usr/share/applications/mozilla.desktop and redhat-email.desktop files > they'll come back. Not sure why it was changed though. > Sure enough, that solved it. Thanks, -- Brian Craft Yahoo Instant Messenger ID: bcraft67 AIM: linuxman67 Linux Counter id: 97873 Linux......the OS of Choice! From cra at WPI.EDU Sun Oct 24 19:35:43 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:35:43 -0400 Subject: No PS/2 mouse with Synaptics touch pad. In-Reply-To: <417BF2B0.4000406@sbcglobal.net> References: <417BF2B0.4000406@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20041024193543.GC3224@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:21:36PM -0500, Dan wrote: > I just updated my system to Core2 from Core1. I am running a Compaq > Armada 110. In Core1 the Synaptics touch pad on the keyboard did not > function but if I plugged in a PS/2 mouse it (the mouse) functioned > fine. No big deal the built-in touchpad is a pain in the keister anyway. > Since the update to Core 2 the Synaptics touch pad works AOK but when I > plug in a PS/2 mouse the system does not recognize the mouse.... Any > suggestions??? Offtopic for this list, since FC2 isn't a test release. Try fedora-list. Or, try FC3rc1, which is a test release, and should have many Synaptics fixes. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 24 19:40:43 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:40:43 +0200 Subject: No PS/2 mouse with Synaptics touch pad. In-Reply-To: <20041024193543.GC3224@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <417BF2B0.4000406@sbcglobal.net> <20041024193543.GC3224@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1098646842.3935.2.camel@kyrre> s?n, 24.10.2004 kl. 21.35 skrev Charles R. Anderson: > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 01:21:36PM -0500, Dan wrote: > > I just updated my system to Core2 from Core1. I am running a Compaq > > Armada 110. In Core1 the Synaptics touch pad on the keyboard did not > > function but if I plugged in a PS/2 mouse it (the mouse) functioned > > fine. No big deal the built-in touchpad is a pain in the keister anyway. > > Since the update to Core 2 the Synaptics touch pad works AOK but when I > > plug in a PS/2 mouse the system does not recognize the mouse.... Any > > suggestions??? > > Offtopic for this list, since FC2 isn't a test release. Try > fedora-list. Or, try FC3rc1, which is a test release, and should have > many Synaptics fixes. Did RH buy their developers laptops? I have noticed a bunch of new laptop features that are coming in FC3 :P Keep up the good work! From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Sun Oct 24 19:45:20 2004 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:45:20 -0600 Subject: Experience with acpi In-Reply-To: <417B22EB.8070300@bc.edu> References: <417B22EB.8070300@bc.edu> Message-ID: <20041024194520.GG20884@charlescurley.com> On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 11:35:07PM -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Hello: > I have finally been able to suspend my laptop (Toshiba Satellite S703) > using a script suspend_to_ram.sh > in /etc/acpi/actions which is called on various events. > > The problem is that to suspend the laptop, I have to kill acpid. If > acpid is kept on when I suspend, > the laptop will go into suspend fine - but on resume, the machine will > go into shutdown mode. > You may find here a better way to handle your resumption problem. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-October/msg01829.html -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeffy5 at optonline.net Sun Oct 24 20:16:06 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:16:06 -0400 Subject: Remote Printing Message-ID: <200410241616.07150.jeffy5@optonline.net> Hello, Can some help me with this problem: I have Fedora Core 3t3 installed on a Dell Inspiron 4000 along with Fedora Core 2 installed on an IBM T-30 ThinkPad. I also have Fedora Core 2 installed on a Dell Dimension XPS T600r. All is working fine except for one thing: These computers are part of a local Ethernet LAN where there is a Windows 2003 Server. I have a printer connected to the Dell Dimension desktop as a local printer. I also use a wireless card for both the IBM and Dell Laptops, which work perfectly through a Linksys Wireless Router. Previously I had another Linux distribution on the Dell Dimension (Mandrake) instead of Fedora Core 2. With this other distribution, I was able to print wirelessly through the laptops. With Fedora Core 2 installed on the Dell Dimension desktop, I can longer print remotely through Fedora Core 2 and 3 on either laptop. Is there something with Fedora Core 2 or 3 that will not let me print wirelessly? I also have set up the laptops to use CUPS to connect remotely to a printer (Epson Stylus C80) connected to the Dell Dimension desktop. Has anyone experienced this problem? From david.r.bentley at btinternet.com Sun Oct 24 20:20:47 2004 From: david.r.bentley at btinternet.com (DAVID BENTLEY) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:20:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) In-Reply-To: <417BFEFD.5010009@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <20041024202047.11660.qmail@web86505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- Arangel Angov wrote: > DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > > >Just had a first look at FC3-rc1 that I downloaded > >overnight last night and have just burned to CD's > and > >noticed that the release notes and readme files on > the > >rescue CD still refer to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3 > > > > Other than that? How is it holding? Any problems? > > > Arangel > Looks like it will install OK but I need to do a media check on another machine as all but CD#4 fail the media check on the intended target system just like test 3 CD's did but that will have to wait till tomorrow now. From gafton at redhat.com Sun Oct 24 21:20:03 2004 From: gafton at redhat.com (Cristian Gafton) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: <20041023105920.GA17182@neu.nirvana> References: <20041023105920.GA17182@neu.nirvana> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Axel Thimm wrote: > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > testing.fedora.redhat.com does not resolve (none of nsX.redhat.com). Anybody else has this issue still? Cristian -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cristian Gafton -- gafton at redhat.com -- Red Hat, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Linux is a leprosy; and is having a deleterious effect on the U.S. IT industry because it is steadily depreciating the value of the software industry sector." -- Kenneth Brown, President, Alexis de Tocqueville Institution From seyman at wanadoo.fr Sun Oct 24 20:49:04 2004 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:49:04 +0200 Subject: Encoding theora videos Message-ID: <20041024204904.GA15886@orient.maison.moi> I'm trying to encode videos in Theora and Vorbis formats (to show people it can be done). I've ripped a chapter of a DVD to a video dump (1.4 Gb!!!!) and an audio dump with mplayer and trasferred them to my FC3t3 installation. I use the following command to encode to Ogg format: theora_encode -o cowboy.ogg -a 2 -v 5 audiodump.wav stream.yuv This generates the following output: File audiodump.wav is 16 bit 2 channel 48000 Hz RIFF WAV audio. File stream.yuv is 720x480 29.97 fps YUV12 video. Compressing.... 0:01:34.56 audio: 82kbps video: 2796kbps done. and gives me the following file: [manu at lora ~]$ file cowboy.ogg cowboy.ogg: Ogg data, Theora video but trying to play the video gives: [manu at lora ~]$ theora_player cowboy.ogg Ogg logical stream 6c2124cc is Theora 720x480 29.97 fps video Encoded by Xiph.Org libTheora I 20040317 3 2 0 Ogg logical stream 46c3f72b is Vorbis 2 channel 48000 Hz audio. X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 140 (XVideo) Minor opcode of failed request: 19 () Serial number of failed request: 21 Current serial number in output stream: 22 Google and Bugzilla couldn't help me. What am I doing wrong ? Emmanuel From cra at WPI.EDU Sun Oct 24 21:27:51 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:27:51 -0400 Subject: Encoding theora videos In-Reply-To: <20041024204904.GA15886@orient.maison.moi> References: <20041024204904.GA15886@orient.maison.moi> Message-ID: <20041024212751.GD3224@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 10:49:04PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) > Major opcode of failed request: 140 (XVideo) > Minor opcode of failed request: 19 () > Serial number of failed request: 21 > Current serial number in output stream: 22 > > Google and Bugzilla couldn't help me. What am I doing wrong ? Does your video card/driver support the XVideo extension? What is the output of "xvinfo"? From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 24 21:51:14 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:51:14 +0200 Subject: Encoding theora videos In-Reply-To: <20041024204904.GA15886@orient.maison.moi> References: <20041024204904.GA15886@orient.maison.moi> Message-ID: <1098654674.8604.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 24 octobre 2004 ? 22:49 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman a ?crit : > I'm trying to encode videos in Theora and Vorbis formats (to show people > it can be done). > > I've ripped a chapter of a DVD to a video dump (1.4 Gb!!!!) and an audio > dump with mplayer and trasferred them to my FC3t3 installation. > > I use the following command to encode to Ogg format: > > theora_encode -o cowboy.ogg -a 2 -v 5 audiodump.wav stream.yuv > > This generates the following output: > > File audiodump.wav is 16 bit 2 channel 48000 Hz RIFF WAV audio. > File stream.yuv is 720x480 29.97 fps YUV12 video. > Compressing.... > 0:01:34.56 audio: 82kbps video: 2796kbps > done. > > and gives me the following file: > > [manu at lora ~]$ file cowboy.ogg > cowboy.ogg: Ogg data, Theora video > > but trying to play the video gives: > [manu at lora ~]$ theora_player cowboy.ogg > Ogg logical stream 6c2124cc is Theora 720x480 29.97 fps video > Encoded by Xiph.Org libTheora I 20040317 3 2 0 > Ogg logical stream 46c3f72b is Vorbis 2 channel 48000 Hz audio. > X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) > Major opcode of failed request: 140 (XVideo) Perhaps XV :-) Seems you have not enought video memory. btw, you can play ogg/theora files with HelixPlayer, totem and mplayer (xine ?). > Minor opcode of failed request: 19 () > Serial number of failed request: 21 > Current serial number in output stream: 22 > > Google and Bugzilla couldn't help me. What am I doing wrong ? > > Emmanuel > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From sopwith at redhat.com Sun Oct 24 22:04:25 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) In-Reply-To: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > Just had a first look at FC3-rc1 that I downloaded > overnight last night and have just burned to CD's and > noticed that the release notes and readme files on the > rescue CD still refer to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3 Yea, this is because the fedora-release package hasn't been updated yet. This is coming tomorrow. -- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches. From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sun Oct 24 22:45:03 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:45:03 -0700 Subject: Anyone having problems with inet0 and gkrellm 2.2.2-2? In-Reply-To: <417BBC04.6040602@xmission.com> References: <417BBC04.6040602@xmission.com> Message-ID: <1098657904.4327.2.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 08:28 -0600, maxer1 wrote: > I posted a bug 136822 on gkrellm 2.2.2-2 this week. inet0 doesn't seem > to have any activity when setting up http 80 8080 and ftp 21. > > Anyone else seeing this. Maintainer is probably going to wait till after > fc3 is released to fix it. > > Thanks, > > RaXeT > It seems to track hits to ssh for me just fine. I commented but apparently its not completely broken. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From maxer1 at xmission.com Sun Oct 24 22:51:21 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (raxet) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:51:21 -0600 Subject: Anyone having problems with inet0 and gkrellm 2.2.2-2? In-Reply-To: <1098657904.4327.2.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <000001c4ba1b$fb43bba0$0200000a@frank> Not completely broken. Now that is positive feedback, but doesn't really address the issue. -----Original Message----- From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Farris Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:45 PM To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Re: Anyone having problems with inet0 and gkrellm 2.2.2-2? On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 08:28 -0600, maxer1 wrote: > I posted a bug 136822 on gkrellm 2.2.2-2 this week. inet0 doesn't seem > to have any activity when setting up http 80 8080 and ftp 21. > > Anyone else seeing this. Maintainer is probably going to wait till after > fc3 is released to fix it. > > Thanks, > > RaXeT > It seems to track hits to ssh for me just fine. I commented but apparently its not completely broken. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From nadiizu at earthlink.net Sun Oct 24 23:06:41 2004 From: nadiizu at earthlink.net (Nadeem Bitar) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:06:41 -0700 Subject: Netapplet Message-ID: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> Please include the netapplet[1] in FC3. I have spent the last few hours trying to compile it myself and install it with no success. For mobile users who change network settings two times a day or more, this applet is a must. As a side note does anyone know where i can get a FC3T3 or FC2 netapplet rpm? Thanks [1] http://nat.org/2004/october/netapplet.png From dvdbtty at netscape.net Sun Oct 24 23:14:34 2004 From: dvdbtty at netscape.net (David McCormick) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:14:34 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102410396c26ee13@mail.gmail.com> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <604aa79104102410396c26ee13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <417C375A.909@netscape.net> I tried to update however the system locked up on checking RPM dependencies. I then just updated up2date and now it says that all updates are current. There should be several dozen still to be updated according to the list that froze. Dave From Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net Sun Oct 24 23:20:45 2004 From: Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net (Axel Thimm) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:20:45 +0200 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: References: <20041023105920.GA17182@neu.nirvana> Message-ID: <20041024232045.GA9240@neu.nirvana> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 05:20:03PM -0400, Cristian Gafton wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Axel Thimm wrote: > > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > > > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > > > testing.fedora.redhat.com does not resolve (none of nsX.redhat.com). > > Anybody else has this issue still? Now all three of nsX.redhat.com properly resolve testing.fedora.redhat.com, thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure if there are intentions to put it back in. system-config-network 's profiles are helpful, though not automatic to take it's place, there are also netplugd and NetworkManager, that apparently do something but I haven't figured them out yet. From graydon at epiphyte.net Sun Oct 24 23:30:37 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (graydon at epiphyte.net) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:30:37 -0400 Subject: libwmf Message-ID: <20041024233037.GA28063@uniserve.com> Used to have /usr/bin/update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders It doesn't anymore, and this seems to give librsvg2 and the gimp packages problems. From graydon at epiphyte.net Sun Oct 24 23:39:30 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (Graydon) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:39:30 -0400 Subject: FC3T3: fstab-sync, ieee1394, and mount points Message-ID: <20041024233930.GB28063@uniserve.com> Using FC3T3: Ok, so the little Shuttle box has a firewire drive enclosure plugged into it all the time that I want to have connect _as a normal drive_ at boot time. (Because if I mount the /media/ieee1394 drive with the entry hal leaves in /etc/fstab, selinux proceeds to make rsync barf; since the external drive is the backup drive, I very much don't want that.) If I hand edit /etc/fstab so that the relevant entry is: /dev/sda1 /backup ext3 defaults 1 2 Everything works fine. How do I convince fstab-sync to provide an entry like that? Is there something else I need to convince? Along with this, there's the partition used for hard drive installs, which I can't label at install time. fstab-sync is picking it up as well, as a noauto removable drive. I don't think that's entirely sensible default behaviour for a partition on the primary hard drive. /dev/hda5 /media/idedisk ext3 pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 If there's some documentation with examples, I'd appreciate a pointer; the man page is not informative, at least not if one doesn't already understand hal and UDIs. Thanks! Graydon From nadiizu at earthlink.net Sun Oct 24 23:48:28 2004 From: nadiizu at earthlink.net (Nadeem Bitar) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:48:28 -0700 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> Message-ID: <1098661708.7706.8.camel@kirika> I spoke too soon. I was finally able to get netapplet working using dag's spec file. Nadeem On ?, 2004-10-24 at 19:22 -0400, Patrick Jordan wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:06:41 -0700, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > > Please include the netapplet[1] in FC3. > > I have spent the last few hours trying to compile it myself and install > > it with no success. For mobile users who change network settings two > > times a day or more, this applet is a must. > > > > It was in the fc3t3 gnome-applets package, but was removed after only > a couple updates. It wasn't working for me, and I filed a bug, but > removed it when the applet was removed. Not sure if there are > intentions to put it back in. system-config-network 's profiles are > helpful, though not automatic to take it's place, there are also > netplugd and NetworkManager, that apparently do something but I > haven't figured them out yet. > From i_p_a_u_l at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 23:36:10 2004 From: i_p_a_u_l at yahoo.com (Paul Ionescu) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:36:10 +0300 Subject: Latest Fedora Core 3 status: kernel testing needed References: Message-ID: Hi Eliot, I have this possible bug with kernel 2.6.9-1.640: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136993 The resume/suspend works but I always have this error. With the kernel from FC3t3 this was not happening. On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:45:57 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > As of today, almost everything is frozen rock solid for FC3 - the only > changes that should be going in from this point are fixes for > showstopper(*) bugs, and kernel bug fixes. > > Because a good amount of kernel work for FC3 happened after the FC3test3 > release, the release of the final FC3 has been delayed to November 8. The > extra time will be used only to give extra attention to the kernel, and to > find any showstopper bugs in other parts of the distribution. > > Please rigorously test kernel 2.6.9-1.640 from the development tree > (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/). > Use it! Try to break it! Find big problems with it! File bug reports! And > thanks for making sure that Fedora is as high quality as you want it to > be. > > Happy bug hunting, > -- Elliot > (*) A showstopper bug is one that corrupts data storage or severly impacts > the user's basic ability to install and use the system. From david at fubar.dk Sun Oct 24 23:57:03 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:57:03 -0400 Subject: FC3T3: fstab-sync, ieee1394, and mount points In-Reply-To: <20041024233930.GB28063@uniserve.com> References: <20041024233930.GB28063@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <1098662223.10950.12.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 19:39 -0400, Graydon wrote: > Using FC3T3: > > Ok, so the little Shuttle box has a firewire drive enclosure plugged > into it all the time that I want to have connect _as a normal drive_ at > boot time. (Because if I mount the /media/ieee1394 drive with the entry > hal leaves in /etc/fstab, selinux proceeds to make rsync barf; since the > external drive is the backup drive, I very much don't want that.) > I don't know why selinux would make rsync go barf; that sounds like a bug. Btw, if you label the filesystem e.g. 'backup' then fstab-sync will attempt to use the label as a mountpoint, e.g. '/media/backup' (or /media/backup1 if /media/backup already exists). > If I hand edit /etc/fstab so that the relevant entry is: > > /dev/sda1 /backup ext3 defaults 1 2 > > Everything works fine. > > How do I convince fstab-sync to provide an entry like that? Is there > something else I need to convince? > If you just leave that entry you should be good, fstab-sync wont touch it as it doesn't have the 'kudzu' or 'managed' option. You might want to create a udev rule to name the device e.g. /dev/my1394disk or something (and use that in place of /dev/sda1) if you don't want to rely on you the disk always being named /dev/sda1. Another option is to write a file to put in /usr/share/hal/95userpolicy - take a look at this file for examples /usr/share/doc/hal-0.4.0/conf/storage-policy-examples.fdi and look at the properties exported by hal-device-manager (from pkg hal- gnome) along with this document http://freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html > Along with this, there's the partition used for hard drive > installs, which I can't label at install time. fstab-sync is > picking it up as well, as a noauto removable drive. I don't think > that's entirely sensible default behaviour for a partition on the > primary hard drive. > > /dev/hda5 /media/idedisk ext3 pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > > If there's some documentation with examples, I'd appreciate a pointer; > the man page is not informative, at least not if one doesn't already > understand hal and UDIs. > There's the hal spec mentioned above and sample configuration files. If you have some useful information (such as a configuration matching a drive and picking out the options you need) that should be included don't hesitate to file a bug against hal. Cheers, David From dvdbtty at netscape.net Mon Oct 25 00:05:03 2004 From: dvdbtty at netscape.net (David McCormick) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:05:03 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> You are correct. I disabled SELinux and it worked fine. Now all I have to do every time I want to back up files is disable SELinux reboot, copy the files, enable SELinux, and reboot. Not very effective. I have been using Linux for 10 years now but when my son in law asked about using it for his work I had to tell him that I couldn't recommend it for any really serious use unless he wanted to spend a great deal of time doing work arounds. I don't mind doing them but we loose a lot of potential converts with this sort of problem going unfixed. I am learning C++ so that I can work on drivers for several pieces of hardware that I have so that I can try to get them to work in Linux but I have to say that most people don't have the time to spend doing this sort of thing. I like to see advances made but only if they don't create new problems for users. Before you tell me this is a test system and to expect problems I have to say I know that but where is the plane vanilla works out of the box Red Hat that I used to get that Rob and others can use and get to like? Dave From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 00:40:17 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > Please include the netapplet[1] in FC3. > I have spent the last few hours trying to compile it myself and install > it with no success. For mobile users who change network settings two > times a day or more, this applet is a must. Nadeem, netapplet won't get in FC3 for a few reasons... 1) FC3 is already locked. No new things are going in, and only critical bugfixes make the cut. 2) We're moving to NetworkManager (http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager). NM uses dbus and exposes a rich network information and control interface to userspace applications, much more than netapplet does. What NM doesn't do that netapplet does right now is support dialup connections, but in the near future we hope that's a possiblity. Except for dialup, NetworkManager does everything that netapplet does, and alows user applications like Evolution, Firefox, etc to know about the network state (like offline mode, for example). It also automatically switches network interfaces if desired, so that when you dock your laptop for example, it will switch to the wired interface automatically. 3) There really isn't a place for more than 1 wireless applet, and we had 3 to choose from (gnome-applets one, NetworkManager, and netapplet) Dan From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 00:44:14 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:44:14 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> Message-ID: <604aa791041024174458060b81@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:05:03 -0400, David McCormick wrote: > You are correct. I disabled SELinux and it worked fine. Now all I have > to do every time I want to back up files is disable SELinux reboot, copy > the files, enable SELinux, and reboot. Not very effective. I told you... this should be fixed in an update after fc3t3. I'm not sure what all the ranting is about. If you are unable to update.. thats a totally different problem. But getting up on the soapbox about a TEST release really is over the top. You're looking rather silly and its not constructive. The specific issue regarding the selinux file contexts being applied to removable media should be resolved as an update. The latests updates WORKFORME, in this regard. If you are unable to reconfigure your yum or up2date to get the updates from the development tree, I'm sorry. If you look on the mailinglist the issues with the changes to newest up2date and yum packages have been discussed. I suggest you look over the list archives for the last couple of weeks and find the previous discussions with regard to making sure you have the latest up2date or yum configured adequately. -jef From glenlivet at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 25 00:26:56 2004 From: glenlivet at sbcglobal.net (Dan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:26:56 -0500 Subject: No PS/2 mouse with Synaptics touch pad. In-Reply-To: <417BF2B0.4000406@sbcglobal.net> References: <417BF2B0.4000406@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <417C4850.4000402@sbcglobal.net> Dan wrote: > Howdy, > I just updated my system to Core2 from Core1. I am running a Compaq > Armada 110. In Core1 the Synaptics touch pad on the keyboard did not > function but if I plugged in a PS/2 mouse it (the mouse) functioned > fine. No big deal the built-in touchpad is a pain in the keister > anyway. Since the update to Core 2 the Synaptics touch pad works AOK > but when I plug in a PS/2 mouse the system does not recognize the > mouse.... UPDATE 10-24-04: My deepest and most humble apologies to all of those subscribers to the test list whom I may have offended with a Core 2 question! I downloaded and installed the latest Core 3 test release today.... Same Problem.... Any suggestions??? > > Dan Schreiber > From thomasz at hostmaster.org Mon Oct 25 01:29:48 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:29:48 +0200 Subject: System Accounts Message-ID: <1098667788.21866.45.camel@hostmaster.org> I have just noticed that several RPMs attempt to create system accounts with hardcoded user and group ids. This may cause account creation to fail when that id is already in use so files and directories may end up with the wrong owner/group and daemon processes may either impersonate the wrong user or fail to change their uid/gid. Is there a registry for these system accounts yet? I would recommend at least a warning in the adduser manpage that using the -r switch may cause problems later. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key History has shown that the people who make history do not learn from it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dvdbtty at netscape.net Mon Oct 25 01:30:05 2004 From: dvdbtty at netscape.net (David McCormick) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:30:05 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <604aa791041024174458060b81@mail.gmail.com> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> <604aa791041024174458060b81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> I don't think you understood what I was saying. In the rest of the message which you sniped off I stated that this is not a problem to me. I just would like to see an out of the box usable Linux system to supply to people like my son in law that they could use without major knowledge of computer system administration. While you and I aren't put off by it , there are a lot of people who could and would like to use Linux who just don't have the desire to get as deeply involved as you and I, and I would like to have something to offer them. Regards Dave From td3201 at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 01:45:21 2004 From: td3201 at gmail.com (Terry) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:45:21 -0500 Subject: Add/Remove Programs - doesnt show updated programs Message-ID: <8ee061010410241845436513bd@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I installed a Personal Desktop system (or whatever its called). After the installation, I installed KDE and some other things via yum. I opened Add/Remove Programs to check it out. It does not see that some KDE components are installed......by design or broke? Thanks, Terry From seyman at wanadoo.fr Mon Oct 25 01:19:10 2004 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:19:10 +0200 Subject: Encoding theora videos In-Reply-To: <1098654674.8604.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041024204904.GA15886@orient.maison.moi> <1098654674.8604.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041025011910.GA16266@orient.maison.moi> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 11:51:14PM +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Seems you have not enought video memory. Bingo. Reducing color depth from 24 to 16 makes the problem go away. Thanks, Matias. > btw, you can play ogg/theora files with HelixPlayer, totem and mplayer > (xine ?). Yeah but player provided with the codec seemed a safer bet. Tried playing it with HelixPlayer and it works fine. Emmanuel From jspaleta at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 01:54:32 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:54:32 -0400 Subject: Add/Remove Programs - doesnt show updated programs In-Reply-To: <8ee061010410241845436513bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee061010410241845436513bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <604aa7910410241854314e1e98@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:45:21 -0500, Terry wrote: > Hello, > > I installed a Personal Desktop system (or whatever its called). After > the installation, I installed KDE and some other things via yum. I > opened Add/Remove Programs to check it out. It does not see that some > KDE components are installed......by design or broke? I'm not seeing this behavior. I install kde via yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)" and then ran s-c-packages and 13/14 kde components are listed as installed. As far as I can tell, s-c-packages worked exactly as expected in my case. -jef From walters at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 01:55:53 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:55:53 -0400 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 12:19 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > Oh, this is still so insane! Do you want two copies of libphp4.so, one > which contains just the "config testing" code too, or what? No, that wouldn't be necessary. Each domain would have the privileges to map libphp4.so and use it. > If the problem is to inhibit terminal access can't we just run it under > some "tee" like binary from the init script, so at least that works? That would also work. Patch attached. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: httpd-init.patch Type: text/x-patch Size: 270 bytes Desc: not available URL: From td3201 at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 02:03:21 2004 From: td3201 at gmail.com (Terry) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:03:21 -0500 Subject: Add/Remove Programs - doesnt show updated programs In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410241854314e1e98@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee061010410241845436513bd@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910410241854314e1e98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee061010410241903568602bd@mail.gmail.com> Mmmm.....I installed packages individually....I did yum -y install kdeaddons-xmms and let it pick up the dependencies. ( i like your method better ) Let me try the groupinstall and see what happens. On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:54:32 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:45:21 -0500, Terry wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I installed a Personal Desktop system (or whatever its called). After > > the installation, I installed KDE and some other things via yum. I > > opened Add/Remove Programs to check it out. It does not see that some > > KDE components are installed......by design or broke? > > I'm not seeing this behavior. > I install kde via > yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)" > and then ran s-c-packages and 13/14 kde components are listed as installed. > > As far as I can tell, s-c-packages worked exactly as expected in my case. > > -jef > From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Mon Oct 25 02:10:56 2004 From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:10:56 -0500 Subject: A little off subject In-Reply-To: <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041024043534.E6C54737D4@hormel.redhat.com> <10503aff04102407322f051291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410242110.56884.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> On Sunday 24 October 2004 09:32 am, Joe Borne wrote: > Can anyone point me to a good howto, for hosting multiple websites on > a single linux box with a single IP? I'd prefer something > Fedora-centric (Server runs Fed-Core-2 Final) First off.. multiple web sites per single IP is called "Name Based Hosting" and is a part of the HTTP 1.1 standard (i.e. been around a while). Here's a basic example of the apache httpd.conf section showing how this might be used.. This is taken directly from my new book... The Linux Troubleshooting Bible: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/076456997X/ ;) NameVirtualHost 10.1.1.1 # # VirtualHost example: # Almost any Apache directive may go into a VirtualHost container. # The first VirtualHost section is used for requests without a known # server name. # # # ServerAdmin webmaster at dummy-host.example.com # DocumentRoot /www/docs/dummy-host.example.com # ServerName dummy-host.example.com # ErrorLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-error_log # CustomLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-access_log common # DocumentRoot /var/www/html/ ServerName mydomain.com DocumentRoot /home/bob/web/html/ ServerName example.com ServerAlias *.example.com CustomLog /home/bob/web/logs/example.com-access_log common But as the other guy said... look at your apache installs build in docs: http://127.0.0.1/manual (from the apache server locally of course) and specifically for name based hosting (more than one site per IP): http://127.0.0.1/manual/vhosts/name-based.html Cheers, Tweeks From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 02:21:11 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum error reporting needs work Message-ID: yum-2.1.10-3 Yum doesn't seem to do any error reporting when a page isn't found on the server. It simply exits without warning. Seth, is there any way to get yum to output something saying "path to RPMs not right". Dan connect(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(80), sin_addr=inet_addr("209.132.177.50")}, 16) = 0 send(4, "GET /download/mirrors/fedora-cor"..., 130, 0) = 130 recv(4, "H", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "P", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "/", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ".", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "N", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "F", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "u", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "d", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "D", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ",", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "O", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "6", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "G", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "S", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "v", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "A", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "p", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "h", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "L", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "s", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "d", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "i", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "f", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "i", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "d", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ",", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "O", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "3", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "G", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "E", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "g", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\"", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "9", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "b", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "6", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "3", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "7", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "9", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "f", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\"", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "A", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "p", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "R", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "g", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "s", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "b", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "y", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "s", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "C", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "L", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "g", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "h", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "9", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "C", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "y", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "p", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "x", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "/", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "h", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "m", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "l", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 futex(0x9fa4c38, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9fc5ab8, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9f8c400, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9fc66d0, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9facd78, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, NULL, {0x19b63a, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x22d8a8}, 8) = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, NULL, 8) = 0 futex(0x9f67450, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9f65250, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9e8e2b0, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9e8e198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9e8e198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 futex(0x9e8e198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 exit_group(1) = ? From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 25 02:23:31 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:23:31 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1098671011.9717.5.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:05 -0400, David McCormick wrote: > You are correct. I disabled SELinux and it worked fine. Now all I have > to do every time I want to back up files is disable SELinux reboot, copy > the files, enable SELinux, and reboot. Not very effective. You can disable SELinux without rebooting with "setenforce 0". Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From ernesto at ornl.gov Sun Oct 24 22:27:09 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:27:09 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> <604aa791041024174458060b81@mail.gmail.com> <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1098656829.10509.3.camel@lion> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 21:30 -0400, David McCormick wrote: > I don't think you understood what I was saying. In the rest of the > message which you sniped off I stated that this is not a problem to me. > I just would like to see an out of the box usable Linux system to supply > to people like my son in law that they could use without major knowledge > of computer system administration. While you and I aren't put off by > it , there are a lot of people who could and would like to use Linux who > just don't have the desire to get as deeply involved as you and I, and > I would like to have something to offer them. Come on dude. RedHat does offer this: Red Hat Enterprise Linux --- RedHat Desktop http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/desktop/ If you want something free from RedHat, then pick a stable release of Fedora. Fedora Core3 will be ready soon. > > Regards Dave > From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 02:31:41 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum error reporting needs work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And next, what is it doing trying to get /download/mirrors/fedora-core... when my yum.conf looks like this? (can yum repos redirect to mirrors?) [base] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base baseurl=http://download.fedora.devel.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ [livna] name=Livna.org baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ gpgcheck=1 Dan On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Dan Williams wrote: > yum-2.1.10-3 > > Yum doesn't seem to do any error reporting when a page isn't found on the > server. It simply exits without warning. Seth, is there any way to get > yum to output something saying "path to RPMs not right". > > Dan > > connect(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(80), > sin_addr=inet_addr("209.132.177.50")}, 16) = 0 > send(4, "GET /download/mirrors/fedora-cor"..., 130, 0) = 130 > recv(4, "H", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "P", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "/", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ".", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "N", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "F", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "u", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "d", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "D", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ",", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "O", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "6", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "G", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "S", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "v", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "A", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "p", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "h", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "L", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "s", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "d", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "i", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "f", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "i", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "d", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ",", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "O", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "2", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "3", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "G", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "M", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "E", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "g", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\"", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "9", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "b", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "0", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "6", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "3", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "7", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "9", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "f", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\"", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "A", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "c", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "p", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "R", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "a", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "g", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "s", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "b", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "y", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "s", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "C", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "L", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "g", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "h", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "4", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "1", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "9", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "5", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "C", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "o", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "-", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "y", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "p", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, ":", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, " ", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "e", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "x", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "/", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "h", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "t", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "m", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "l", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\r", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "\n", 1, 0) = 1 > futex(0x9fa4c38, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9fc5ab8, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9f8c400, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9fc66d0, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9facd78, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > rt_sigaction(SIGINT, NULL, {0x19b63a, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x22d8a8}, 8) = 0 > rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL}, NULL, 8) = 0 > futex(0x9f67450, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9f65250, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9e8e2b0, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9e8e198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9e8e198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > futex(0x9e8e198, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 > exit_group(1) = ? > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 25 02:32:32 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:32:32 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> <604aa791041024174458060b81@mail.gmail.com> <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1098671552.9717.15.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 21:30 -0400, David McCormick wrote: > I don't think you understood what I was saying. In the rest of the > message which you sniped off I stated that this is not a problem to me. > I just would like to see an out of the box usable Linux system to supply > to people like my son in law that they could use without major knowledge > of computer system administration. While you and I aren't put off by > it , there are a lot of people who could and would like to use Linux who > just don't have the desire to get as deeply involved as you and I, and > I would like to have something to offer them. Obviously I'm not answering for Jeff, but I wanted to say that your comments are completely valid, but the thing is... everyone wants to see a Linux system that works perfectly out of the box and is easy to use for inexperienced users. I might be wrong, but I think that is one of the goals of Fedora. Its a fact that we aren't there yet, but the guys at Red Hat and the Fedora community are working to achieve that. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From td3201 at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 02:40:39 2004 From: td3201 at gmail.com (Terry) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:40:39 -0500 Subject: Add/Remove Programs - doesnt show updated programs In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410241912168e7eb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee061010410241845436513bd@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910410241854314e1e98@mail.gmail.com> <8ee061010410241903568602bd@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910410241912168e7eb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee0610104102419403b4b346@mail.gmail.com> Well, installing KDE your way did it. Also, installing that downloaded comps.xml.....which is what s-c-packages uses no? Either way, that is consistent. Any way to change the source that s-c-packages uses to install packages? On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:12:05 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:03:21 -0500, Terry wrote: > > Mmmm.....I installed packages individually....I did yum -y install > > kdeaddons-xmms and let it pick up the dependencies. ( i like your > > method better ) > > > > Let me try the groupinstall and see what happens. > > how ever you do it... s-c-packages shouldn't be reporting anything > inconsistent with your > installed system. s-c-packages does not let you select all the > packages in a group as on/off, some packages are considered mandatory > for the group. And some packages available in Core aren't even in a > group... kdeaddons-xmms for example is not in a group at all. > You can check for yourself by searching for the package name in: > /usr/share/comps/i386/comps.xml > > kdeaddons-xmms is not defined in in Core group. > > -jef > From cra at WPI.EDU Mon Oct 25 02:41:08 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:41:08 -0400 Subject: System Accounts In-Reply-To: <1098667788.21866.45.camel@hostmaster.org> References: <1098667788.21866.45.camel@hostmaster.org> Message-ID: <20041025024108.GE3224@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 03:29:48AM +0200, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: > I have just noticed that several RPMs attempt to create system accounts > with hardcoded user and group ids. This may cause account creation to > fail when that id is already in use so files and directories may end up > with the wrong owner/group and daemon processes may either impersonate > the wrong user or fail to change their uid/gid. Those uids shouldn't be on the system beforehand. They should only be created according to the registry. > Is there a registry for these system accounts yet? Yes, /usr/share/doc/setup-*/uidgid From m_epling at comcast.net Mon Oct 25 02:43:40 2004 From: m_epling at comcast.net (AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:43:40 -0500 Subject: warning to list Message-ID: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> ew Phishing Expedition Targets Red Hat/Fedora Users Oct 25, 2004, 02 :30 UTC (0 Talkback[s]) (6 reads) (Other stories by Brian Proffitt) http://linuxtoday.com/security/2004102500826SCRHSW By Brian Proffitt Managing Editor It's not often that someone tries launching a trojan attack on Linux users, but earlier this weekend it appears that someone was trying to do just that to Red Hat and Fedora Core users. An e-mail message was sent to several Red Hat users over the weekend, claiming to be from the RedHat [sic] Security Team. The note warned recipients to download and install a patch for fileutils-1.0.6, indicating that a vulnerability "could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with root privileges." The note was seen in the wild earlier this weekend, but it is still being delivered. This reporter received the message as late as 6:55 PM EDT today. The message arrived five times, and were all delivered to my work account, which is not the account I use to register products. The content of the note, complete with Red Hat logo, tries to tell a good tale, as seen below, but the spelling errors and the improper From address are clues of the note's false nature. "Original issue date: October 20, 2004 "Last revised: October 20, 2004 "Source: RedHat "A complete revision history is at the end of this file. "Dear RedHat user, "Redhat found a vulnerability in fileutils (ls and mkdir), that could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with root privileges. Some of the affected linux distributions include RedHat 7.2, RedHat 7.3, RedHat 8.0, RedHat 9.0, Fedora CORE 1, Fedora CORE 2 and not only. It is known that *BSD and Solaris platforms are NOT affected. "The RedHat Security Team strongly advises you to immediately apply the fileutils-1.0.6 patch. This is a critical-critical update that you must make by following these steps: * "First download the patch from the Security RedHat mirror: wget www.fedora-redhat.com/fileutils-1.0.6.patch.tar.gz * Untar the patch: tar zxvf fileutils-1.0.6.patch.tar.gz * cd fileutils-1.0.6.patch * make * ./inst "Again, please apply this patch as soon as possible or you risk your system and others` to be compromised. "Thank you for your prompt attention to this serious matter, RedHat Security Team..." The domain fedora-redhat.com is part of a netblock owned by Yahoo, according to Netcraft.com. It is not an official Red Hat site. The security team at Red Hat has already noted the existence of the fake warning, and has posted this message, dated October 23, at http://www.redhat.com/security/: "Red Hat has been made aware that emails are circulating that pretend to come from the Red Hat Security Team. These emails tell users to download and run an update from a users home directory. This fake update appears to contain malicious code. Official messages from the Red Hat security team are never sent unsolicited, are always sent from the address secalert at redhat.com, and are digitally signed by GPG. All official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and should not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the signature is verified..." Red Hat and Fedora Core users are urged not to download or install the software highlighted in this ficticious message. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 25 03:11:14 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:11:14 -0400 Subject: Yum error reporting needs work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098673874.24541.14.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 22:21 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > yum-2.1.10-3 > > Yum doesn't seem to do any error reporting when a page isn't found on the > server. It simply exits without warning. Seth, is there any way to get > yum to output something saying "path to RPMs not right". > Actually that's just a bug in the error reporting function in 2.1.10 if you check cvs you'll see I fixed that. I'll be issuing a 2.1.11 soon enough, but since fc3 is frozen I didn't see the point in hurrying. -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Mon Oct 25 03:12:02 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:12:02 -0400 Subject: Yum error reporting needs work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098673922.24541.16.camel@binkley> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 22:31 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > And next, what is it doing trying to get /download/mirrors/fedora-core... > when my yum.conf looks like this? (can yum repos redirect to mirrors?) urlgrabber handles redirects just fine. I don't know what servers those are you were pointing at. download.fedora.devel.redhat.com doesn't do much for me. -sv From walters at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 03:13:31 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:13:31 -0400 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> <604aa791041024174458060b81@mail.gmail.com> <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1098674011.10115.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 21:30 -0400, David McCormick wrote: > I don't think you understood what I was saying. In the rest of the > message which you sniped off I stated that this is not a problem to me. > I just would like to see an out of the box usable Linux system to supply > to people like my son in law that they could use without major knowledge > of computer system administration. While you and I aren't put off by > it , there are a lot of people who could and would like to use Linux who > just don't have the desire to get as deeply involved as you and I, and > I would like to have something to offer them. Obviously, you don't offer them *test releases*. We make test releases to find bugs and fix them. This was a bug. It was fixed. The process is therefore working. If you install a final release and still have major problems like this, then a rant is somewhat more justified. From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 03:14:57 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yum error reporting needs work In-Reply-To: <1098673922.24541.16.camel@binkley> References: <1098673922.24541.16.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, seth vidal wrote: > download.fedora.devel.redhat.com doesn't do much for me. Internal mirror of download.fedora.redhat.com, means we get fat pipes :) Dan From i.pilcher at comcast.net Mon Oct 25 03:15:23 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:15:23 -0500 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > "Red Hat has been made aware that emails are circulating that > pretend to come from the Red Hat Security Team. These emails > tell users to download and run an update from a users home > directory. This fake update appears to contain malicious code. > Official messages from the Red Hat security team are never sent > unsolicited, are always sent from the address > secalert at redhat.com, and are digitally signed by GPG. All > official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and > should not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the > signature is verified..." Too bad rawhide updates often *are* unsigned. -- ======================================================================== Ian Pilcher i.pilcher at comcast.net ======================================================================== From ernesto at ornl.gov Sun Oct 24 03:38:49 2004 From: ernesto at ornl.gov (Ernest L. Williams Jr.) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:38:49 +0000 Subject: USB PERMISSIONS In-Reply-To: <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> References: <417BD45E.5060702@netscape.net> <1098640033.2690.2.camel@kyrre> <417C432F.7060104@netscape.net> <604aa791041024174458060b81@mail.gmail.com> <417C571D.6050509@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1098589129.10509.5.camel@lion> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 21:30 -0400, David McCormick wrote: > I don't think you understood what I was saying. In the rest of the > message which you sniped off I stated that this is not a problem to me. > I just would like to see an out of the box usable Linux system to supply > to people like my son in law that they could use without major knowledge > of computer system administration. While you and I aren't put off by > it , there are a lot of people who could and would like to use Linux who > just don't have the desire to get as deeply involved as you and I, and > I would like to have something to offer them. > Come on dude. RedHat does offer this: Red Hat Enterprise Linux --- RedHat Desktop http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/desktop/ If you want something free from RedHat, then pick a stable release of Fedora. Fedora Core3 will be ready soon. > Regards Dave > From fedora at andrewfarris.com Mon Oct 25 03:40:22 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:40:22 -0700 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 22:15 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > > Official messages from the Red Hat security team are never sent > > unsolicited, are always sent from the address > > secalert at redhat.com, and are digitally signed by GPG. All > > official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and > > should not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the > > signature is verified..." > > Too bad rawhide updates often *are* unsigned. Which is chiefly why you're supposed to keep it off critical systems.. that and the not-so-rare its-completely-borked-again occurrences. It would certainly be nice to have them all come signed however. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From perbj at stanford.edu Mon Oct 25 03:43:21 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:43:21 -0700 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: <1098675801.25338.21.camel@ferrari.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:15, Ian Pilcher wrote: > Too bad rawhide updates often *are* unsigned. And Red Hat Security never sends out e-mails about Rawhide updates either. Basically, it come down to that you shouldn't be running Rawhide on anything security-critical. Rather simplistic trickery such as this you should be able to avoid anyways. Of course, getting a more automated signing procedure in place so that Rawhide could be fully signed would be nice. It's just really important that the signing can be done in such a way that it actually means something, even though it's done automatically. All supported updates _are_ signed. People running test releases should know what they are doing. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From lsomike at futzin.com Mon Oct 25 03:45:11 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:45:11 -0500 Subject: Add/Remove Programs - doesnt show updated programs In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410241854314e1e98@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee061010410241845436513bd@mail.gmail.com> <604aa7910410241854314e1e98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410242245.11552.lsomike@futzin.com> On Sunday 24 October 2004 20:54, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:45:21 -0500, Terry wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I installed a Personal Desktop system (or whatever its called). > > After the installation, I installed KDE and some other things > > via yum. I opened Add/Remove Programs to check it out. It > > does not see that some KDE components are installed......by > > design or broke? > > I'm not seeing this behavior. > I install kde via > yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)" > and then ran s-c-packages and 13/14 kde components are listed as > installed. > > As far as I can tell, s-c-packages worked exactly as expected in > my case. > > -jef Just out of curiosity, have you tried removing some of the components? I ran into this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136113 a few days ago. Regards, Mike Klinke From lsomike at futzin.com Mon Oct 25 03:52:52 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:52:52 -0500 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> On Sunday 24 October 2004 21:43, AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > ew Phishing Expedition Targets Red Hat/Fedora Users > Oct 25, 2004, 02 :30 UTC (0 Talkback[s]) (6 reads) > (Other stories by Brian Proffitt) > http://linuxtoday.com/security/2004102500826SCRHSW > By Brian Proffitt > Managing Editor > A brief analysis is here: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2004-10/0983.html Regards, Mike Klinke From jreiser at BitWagon.com Mon Oct 25 03:56:50 2004 From: jreiser at BitWagon.com (John Reiser) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:56:50 -0700 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions Message-ID: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> I believe that I may have suffered a case where a fresh install of Fedora Core 3 [Test 3] with SELinux in targeted, permissive mode borked existing multi-booted installations of RedHat 9, RedHat 8.0, and RedHat 7.3 [separate ext3 root filesystems for each]. The typical symptom when booting an old system is a console message: Freeing unused kernel memory: 156k freed attempt to access beyond end of device 03:09: rw=0, want=1219858868, limit=5863693 Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. I definitely had been multibooting FC2 with selinux=disabled in /etc/sysconfig/selinux. I changed to targeted, permissive mode for FC3test1, FC3test2, and FC3test3. The last successful boot of RH9 was July 20 according to its /var/log/messages. The cause might be that install causes all existing ext3 filesystems get the new attribute ext_attr, and older kernels have bugs interpreting this. This seems to happen even for filesystems that were omitted from the mount list when DiskDruid was run during install of FC3test3. "Auto management" of /media/idediskN might be a reason why. Both RH9 e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) and RHEL3 e2fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) say that all filesystems are OK [checked in RH9 rescue mode, and from RHEL3: unmount, then "e2fsck -f /dev/hda9", etc.], but the old kernels don't get it. A multibooted RHEL3 2.4.21-20.EL does work correctly. Which component(s) deserve(s) a bugzilla report for this? Exactly where in the install process did ext_attr get applied to existing filesystems? It seems to me that the Release Notes for Fedora Core 3 should mention this situation. So, how do I recover? [I need to boot the old systems to support customers who run them.] What about a procedure like this: 1. Boot RH9 rescue mode. Create a new ext3 without ext_attr. 2. Boot FC3test3 rescue mode with selinux=0. Mount old and new partitions; copy all files from old to new. 3. Edit /etc/fstab of FC3test3 to list all ext3 partitions, and use 'ro' [readonly] or 'noauto' for ones that must not ever have ext_attr turned on. 4. Try to boot RH9 using the new copy (after adjusting the ext3 label, etc.) What am I overlooking? -- From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 03:56:47 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:56:47 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> Message-ID: <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:52, Mike Klinke wrote: [snip] > A brief analysis is here: > > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2004-10/0983.html And then there's mine I just posted to fedora-devel at http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01288.html. Heh. I hadn't thought of decrypting it directly. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From i.pilcher at comcast.net Mon Oct 25 04:12:50 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:12:50 -0500 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: Andrew Farris wrote: > > Which is chiefly why you're supposed to keep it off critical systems.. > that and the not-so-rare its-completely-borked-again occurrences. It > would certainly be nice to have them all come signed however. > A "non-critical" trojaned system can still create a lot of havoc on a network. I must admit that I don't understand why its even *possible* for an unsigned package to make its way into any official up2date repository. Common sense would seem to dictate the use of some type of simple script to move packages from a "staging" directory into the repository; signing the package should be part of this process, not something that Red Hat developers have to do manually. -- ======================================================================== Ian Pilcher i.pilcher at comcast.net ======================================================================== From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 04:12:11 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:12:11 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:56, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:52, Mike Klinke wrote: > > [snip] > > > A brief analysis is here: > > > > http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2004-10/0983.html > > And then there's mine I just posted to fedora-devel at > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01288.html. > > Heh. I hadn't thought of decrypting it directly. Something else to note about this fake security alert. Red Hat publishes an SPF record, so for those who are doing inbound SPF checking, this falsification would likely be caught before every hitting any of their inboxes. va:iadonisi:501) host -t txt redhat.com redhat.com text "v=spf1 mx a:hormel.redhat.com a:sources.redhat.com a:alertmail.redhat.com a:bltn.redhat.com ip4:65.125.54.185 ip4:65.125.54.186 ip4:65.125.54.187 ip4:65.125.54.188 ip4:65.125.54.189 ip4:65.125.54.190 ip4:219.120.63.242 -all" -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From dax at gurulabs.com Mon Oct 25 04:17:28 2004 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:17:28 -0600 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098677848.3317.25.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 15:36, Elliot Lee wrote: > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > Please try to break it. Especially interesting are bugs in the kernel, and > any installer bugs resulting from kernel changes. How close is the rawhide tree to this RC tree? Just curious as I just installed the latest rawhide tree. Dax From david at fubar.dk Mon Oct 25 04:58:38 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:58:38 -0400 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions In-Reply-To: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> References: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <1098680318.19478.6.camel@davidz> Hi Johm On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:56 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > The cause might be that install causes all existing ext3 filesystems > get the new attribute ext_attr, and older kernels have bugs interpreting > this. This seems to happen even for filesystems that were omitted from > the mount list when DiskDruid was run during install of FC3test3. "Auto > management" of /media/idediskN might be a reason why. > Reading this thread http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-September/msg00451.html it seems to me that it is a bug that mount points in /media gets relabeled at all. I'm not sure this is something that can be fixed up by putting in a mount option? In case it is, I think we should seriously consider using that mount option per default. David From david at fubar.dk Mon Oct 25 05:06:03 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:06:03 -0400 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions In-Reply-To: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> References: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <1098680763.19478.9.camel@davidz> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:56 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > 3. Edit /etc/fstab of FC3test3 to list all ext3 partitions, > and use 'ro' [readonly] or 'noauto' for ones that must > not ever have ext_attr turned on. One more thing: If you do this, please remember to remove the 'managed' keyword otherwise, on bootup, fstab-sync will delete these entries and write new entries similar to the ones where you added 'ro'. HTH, David From nadiizu at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 05:08:13 2004 From: nadiizu at earthlink.net (Nadeem Bitar) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:08:13 -0700 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> Message-ID: <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> Dan, even though NetworkManager seems technically superior to netapplet, netapplet has a nicer user interface and works for me. I had problems with NetworkManager and had it fail many times especially when i switch from a wired to a wireless connection. Also I am not sure where to get the applet. I hope that NetworkManger would evolve into a powerful network management tool and not be as buggy as neat, which always had problems with multiple profiles. If you look at the archives you would find me waiting since redhat 8.0 for an easy network configuration tool and having either NetworkManger or netapplet/netdaemon work would be great. FYI: rpm -qa |grep NetworkManager NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 Nadeem On ?, 2004-10-24 at 20:40 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > > Please include the netapplet[1] in FC3. > > I have spent the last few hours trying to compile it myself and install > > it with no success. For mobile users who change network settings two > > times a day or more, this applet is a must. > > Nadeem, > > netapplet won't get in FC3 for a few reasons... > > 1) FC3 is already locked. No new things are going in, and only critical > bugfixes make the cut. > > 2) We're moving to NetworkManager > (http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager). NM uses dbus and exposes > a rich network information and control interface to userspace > applications, much more than netapplet does. What NM doesn't do that > netapplet does right now is support dialup connections, but in the near > future we hope that's a possiblity. Except for dialup, NetworkManager > does everything that netapplet does, and alows user applications like > Evolution, Firefox, etc to know about the network state (like offline > mode, for example). It also automatically switches network interfaces if > desired, so that when you dock your laptop for example, it will switch to > the wired interface automatically. > > 3) There really isn't a place for more than 1 wireless applet, and we had > 3 to choose from (gnome-applets one, NetworkManager, and netapplet) > > Dan > From jim at jbsys.com Mon Oct 25 05:13:55 2004 From: jim at jbsys.com (Jim B) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:13:55 -0700 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions References: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <01c301c4ba51$6d177e30$0a01a8c0@jbsys.com> I had the same thing during FC2 testing and did not get any response from the list on how to fix it. I stumbled across a fix last week when I ugraded the system to a new Athlon 64 system. I created new disk partitions an a larger 160 GB disk and used cpio to copy the files. I could then reboot from the new disk into Red Hat 9! The old disk is still unbootable. If someone can provide a fix, I could then use the old hardware with the old disk. Jim ----------mail to FC2 list on 5/17/04------------------- I have a system with FC2 on /dev/hda6 (/) and /dev/hda1 (/boot). I also have a RedHat 9 system installed on /dev/hda8 (/) and I dual boot the system. The disk also has Win2K and WinXP. The FC2 is a fresh install over a FC2 Test 3 system as I used this system for testing of the FC2 test releases. Somewhere along the line during the FC2 testing, the RedHat 9 system can no longer be booted. I get the following messages: ... ... XT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. attempt to access beyond end of device 03:08: rw=0, want 1219858868, limit=36893241 attempt to access beyond end of device 03:08: rw=0, want 1219858868, limit=36893241 Kernel panic: No Init found. I think this started after I did a "fixfile" on a FC2T2 system and had the RedHat partition mounted and it was "fixed" too. I am really not sure when the partition became unbootable. The limit value in the message is the size of the partition as reported by fdisk. I also get alignment errors reported from sfdisk. The same errors that are reported with other users who have dual boot problems. I even tried the fix suggested for the dual boot problem, but it had no affect. I do not have a problem with either windows systems, it is just with RedHat 9. The system is a Tyan 2460 with two Athlon 1200 cpus and 120 GB disk. Any idea of now I can get this system bootable? I can read/write it just fine from FC2. It just won't boot. Jim -------------------------end of old mail-------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Reiser" To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions >I believe that I may have suffered a case where a fresh install of > Fedora Core 3 [Test 3] with SELinux in targeted, permissive mode borked > existing multi-booted installations of RedHat 9, RedHat 8.0, and RedHat > 7.3 [separate ext3 root filesystems for each]. The typical symptom when > booting an old system is a console message: > Freeing unused kernel memory: 156k freed > attempt to access beyond end of device > 03:09: rw=0, want=1219858868, limit=5863693 > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. > I definitely had been multibooting FC2 with selinux=disabled in > /etc/sysconfig/selinux. I changed to targeted, permissive mode for > FC3test1, FC3test2, and FC3test3. The last successful boot of RH9 > was July 20 according to its /var/log/messages. > > The cause might be that install causes all existing ext3 filesystems > get the new attribute ext_attr, and older kernels have bugs interpreting > this. This seems to happen even for filesystems that were omitted from > the mount list when DiskDruid was run during install of FC3test3. "Auto > management" of /media/idediskN might be a reason why. > > Both RH9 e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) and RHEL3 e2fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) > say that all filesystems are OK [checked in RH9 rescue mode, and from > RHEL3: unmount, then "e2fsck -f /dev/hda9", etc.], but the old kernels > don't get it. A multibooted RHEL3 2.4.21-20.EL does work correctly. > > Which component(s) deserve(s) a bugzilla report for this? Exactly where > in the install process did ext_attr get applied to existing filesystems? > It seems to me that the Release Notes for Fedora Core 3 should mention > this situation. > > So, how do I recover? [I need to boot the old systems to support > customers who run them.] What about a procedure like this: > 1. Boot RH9 rescue mode. Create a new ext3 without ext_attr. > 2. Boot FC3test3 rescue mode with selinux=0. Mount old and new > partitions; copy all files from old to new. > 3. Edit /etc/fstab of FC3test3 to list all ext3 partitions, > and use 'ro' [readonly] or 'noauto' for ones that must > not ever have ext_attr turned on. > 4. Try to boot RH9 using the new copy (after adjusting the ext3 label, > etc.) > > What am I overlooking? > > -- > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list) > From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Oct 25 05:21:25 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:21:25 -0500 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: References: <20041023105920.GA17182@neu.nirvana> Message-ID: <1098681685.17537.0.camel@thomas.camerontech.com> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 17:20 -0400, Cristian Gafton wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Axel Thimm wrote: > > > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > > > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > > > testing.fedora.redhat.com does not resolve (none of nsX.redhat.com). > > Anybody else has this issue still? > > Cristian Working fine now, thanks! -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 25 05:24:02 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:24:02 -0600 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098681842.13807.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 00:12 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Something else to note about this fake security alert. Red Hat > publishes an SPF record, so for those who are doing inbound SPF > checking, this falsification would likely be caught before every hitting > any of their inboxes. > > va:iadonisi:501) host -t txt redhat.com > redhat.com text "v=spf1 mx a:hormel.redhat.com a:sources.redhat.com > a:alertmail.redhat.com a:bltn.redhat.com ip4:65.125.54.185 > ip4:65.125.54.186 ip4:65.125.54.187 ip4:65.125.54.188 ip4:65.125.54.189 > ip4:65.125.54.190 ip4:219.120.63.242 -all" > I seem to be doing this a lot recently, but can I bother you to give a little more detail on this (in English)? I'm sure the "SP" there is "source path" but I have no clue what you're talking about... just a few brief comments, or point me to the relevant FM. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 05:33:57 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:33:57 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098681842.13807.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098681842.13807.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098682437.21605.75.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 01:24, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: [snip] > I seem to be doing this a lot recently, 'sokay. I don't mind. > but can I bother you to give a > little more detail on this (in English)? I'm sure the "SP" there is > "source path" Nope. SPF stands for "Sender Policy Framework" > but I have no clue what you're talking about... just a few > brief comments, or point me to the relevant FM. Rather than detail it here, I'll just point you to http://spf.pobox.com/ for more info. Just keep in mind that it is a work-in-progress and still has its problem, most in important among them being that, by itself, it breaks email forwarding. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From barryn at pobox.com Mon Oct 25 05:38:13 2004 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:38:13 -0700 Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: <1098677848.3317.25.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> References: <1098677848.3317.25.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: <20041025053813.GA17443@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 10:17:28PM -0600, Dax Kelson wrote: > How close is the rawhide tree to this RC tree? > > Just curious as I just installed the latest rawhide tree. Someone already asked that question earlier in this thread, but Bill Nottingham's answer wasn't fully satisfying to me, so here's my own take: $ diff -ru i386.20041022/Fedora/RPMS i386.fc3rc1/Fedora/RPMS Only in i386.fc3rc1/Fedora/RPMS: comps-3-0.20041021.i386.rpm Only in i386.fc3rc1/Fedora/RPMS: fedora-release-2.92-1.i386.rpm Only in i386.20041022/Fedora/RPMS: fedora-release-3-rawhide.noarch.rpm Only in i386.fc3rc1/Fedora/RPMS: rpmdb-fedora-3-0.20041021.i386.rpm Only in i386.20041022/Fedora/RPMS: rpmdb-fedora-3-0.20041022.i386.rpm $ (Despite the difference in dates, the 20041022 rawhide tree is in fact the most similar to the FC3 release candidate.) -Barry K. Nathan From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 06:21:28 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 25 Oct 2004 03:21:28 -0300 Subject: First look at fc3rc1 In-Reply-To: <1098561750.2719.24.camel@kyrre> References: <1098537825.8973.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098561750.2719.24.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Just out of curiosity: wouldn't it be a very good idea ta have a fresh > rc ISO out on the ftp on monday, In addition to the rc1 Ellion announced on Friday? What's the point? Very little has changed over the weekend. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 06:26:44 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 25 Oct 2004 03:26:44 -0300 Subject: No PS/2 mouse with Synaptics touch pad. In-Reply-To: <417C4850.4000402@sbcglobal.net> References: <417BF2B0.4000406@sbcglobal.net> <417C4850.4000402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Oct 24, 2004, Dan wrote: > downloaded and installed the latest Core 3 test release today.... > Same Problem.... Any suggestions??? Bugzilla? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From aoliva at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 06:37:46 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 25 Oct 2004 03:37:46 -0300 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: On Oct 25, 2004, Ian Pilcher wrote: > I must admit that I don't understand why its even *possible* for an > unsigned package to make its way into any official up2date repository. rawhide isn't an up2date repository. It's just a dump of the latest builds of every package in the Red Hat build system, started by cron at a fixed time in very early morning when there's nobody around to sign packages that developers hacked on all night. Sure enough, one could add an automated signature to such packages, but this only means such a signature would be worth nothing, for being generated with a key not protected by a passphrase, stored on a box not exactly secure. E.g., if the automated rawhide build procedure could get into it to sign packages, without any password-protected authentication, what is this signature worth? > Common sense would seem to dictate the use of some type of simple script > to move packages from a "staging" directory into the repository; signing > the package should be part of this process, not something that Red Hat > developers have to do manually. 'fraid your common sense is not in line with common sense in terms of good security practices. Sure enough, the rawhide build could refrain from using unsigned packages, but the point of rawhide is to provide people with the latest packages for testing. The 24-hour turn-around time is sometimes too long already; adding the need for one of the few people who actually have access to the signing keys to be around to sign them would probably just increase the turn-around time. You just can't have it both ways. (ok, you could: there could be one repository with only signed packages, and one with the really latest stuff even if unsigned, but... 36GB/day is bad enough) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 25 07:00:12 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:00:12 -0600 Subject: Floppy install of FC3-T3 [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: <1098119270.16307.101.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> References: <1098113386.3469.11.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098119270.16307.101.camel@radar0.larc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1098687612.13807.23.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 13:07 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 10:29 -0500, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > Since I'm going to have to reinstall that system several more times, > > I'll try the Smart Boot Manager as well. But out of curiosity, is > > there any way I can use the GRUB trick above and get Anaconda to > > boot in text mode? > > I'd try adding "text" to the grub kernel line. Untested. > Tested! Works fine (twice now), just as though I'd added it to the boot from CD. In hindsight, it makes perfect sense. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I > > cannot find anywhere/anyhow to make that change and the two separate > > "Applications" and "Actions" menus take up way too much space. > right click > Add to panel > main menu > Thanks, Jeff, right on the money. I should probably take the time to figure out how the config change was made, but there's too much else to do... the fact that it now works as I wanted will have to be enough. Moving on, then. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can > "rcp -r" the directories to a hard drive and then > "chmod -R +w " on the directories to get the write > back, but I don't want to do this for obvious reasons. > There may be some files and subdirectories that I > do not want to accidently manipulate. > > There are no directories on the DVD with write permissions, > but all the files seem to have the correct permissions. > > This is a user error on my part? Well, it's all about the way you mount the CD... look in /etc/fstab. It is mounted read-only :), so nothing can have the write flag. Think about backing up a tar.gz, which keeps all flags. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 08:32:47 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:32:47 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 24 octobre 2004 ? 20:40 -0700, Andrew Farris a ?crit : > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 22:15 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: > > AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > > > Official messages from the Red Hat security team are never sent > > > unsolicited, are always sent from the address > > > secalert at redhat.com, and are digitally signed by GPG. All > > > official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and > > > should not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the > > > signature is verified..." > > > > Too bad rawhide updates often *are* unsigned. > > Which is chiefly why you're supposed to keep it off critical systems.. My personal computer (which run FC3 since FC3T2) is a "critical system". Not you ? Every one here know that rawhide can be completely buggy. It's not a reason to tolerate security hole. > that and the not-so-rare its-completely-borked-again occurrences. It > would certainly be nice to have them all come signed however. Yes. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 08:46:55 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:46:55 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 03:37 -0300, Alexandre Oliva a ?crit : > On Oct 25, 2004, Ian Pilcher wrote: > > > I must admit that I don't understand why its even *possible* for an > > unsigned package to make its way into any official up2date repository. > > rawhide isn't an up2date repository. So ? yum/apt repository <=> poor repository ? Do you mean that RHEL does not have its owner Rawhide during beta cycle ? > It's just a dump of the latest > builds of every package in the Red Hat build system To be honest, I am not surprised :-) > , started by cron > at a fixed time in very early morning when there's nobody around to > sign packages that developers hacked on all night. Sure enough, one > could add an automated signature to such packages, but this only means > such a signature would be worth nothing, Signed rpm mean : You can verify the "origin" of the package. Not more ! This signature is perfect : pub 1024D/1CDDBCA9 2003-10-27 Fedora Project automated build signing key (2003) > for being generated with a > key not protected by a passphrase, stored on a box not exactly secure. Sorry, but it's Red Hat/Fedora concern. I am surprise to learn that Red Hat is not able to set up a secure box only to automatically sign package. You can not say "signed rpm is not valuable" because "build server is not secure". Add to your TODO list : - first : Secure build server - second : Add an automated signature Selinux without rpm signed isn't worth. Does this mean SeLinux is not valuable ? Without signed rpm, *each* mirror can content a trojan ... Each mirror should be secure. With signed rpm, _only_ the build system should be secure. Arguing that a gpg key can be "steal" does not mean that the use of gpg is not valuable. AFAIK, all beta packages of RHEL are signed. Why it's valuable for RHEL to have signed packages and not for Fedora ? Why Red Hat take more security attention for RHEL testers than for Fedora testers ? gpg is not a QA. gpg is "only" for security and authentication propose. > E.g., if the automated rawhide build procedure could get into it to > sign packages, without any password-protected authentication, what is > this signature worth? Do you mean that when package are "manually" signed they are carefully checked ? Is there someone here requesting for signed rpm _only_ if they are carefully checked ? No. I want rpm signed packages to use confidently mirrors. Not more. > > > Common sense would seem to dictate the use of some type of simple script > > to move packages from a "staging" directory into the repository; signing > > the package should be part of this process, not something that Red Hat > > developers have to do manually. > > 'fraid your common sense is not in line with common sense in terms of > good security practices. > > > Sure enough, the rawhide build could refrain from using unsigned > packages, but the point of rawhide is to provide people with the > latest packages for testing. The 24-hour turn-around time is > sometimes too long already; adding the need for one of the few people > who actually have access to the signing keys to be around to sign them > would probably just increase the turn-around time. You just can't > have it both ways. (ok, you could: there could be one repository with > only signed packages, and one with the really latest stuff even if > unsigned, but... 36GB/day is bad enough) > > -- > Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ > Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} > Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From justin.conover at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 08:57:35 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:57:35 -0500 Subject: make rpm "kernels" what other options or web-links? Message-ID: Can some one give me some basic "extra's other than make rpm for kernels? Things like makeing the source-code rpm can you build with --target=i686. stuff like that. Any links out there. Thx, From pnasrat at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 09:08:20 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:08:20 +0100 Subject: The Synaptics Touchpad Drivers in Fedora Core 3t3 In-Reply-To: <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200410201842.15523.jeffy5@optonline.net> <20041021001306.GO17146@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1098359003.4744.13.camel@anu.eridu> <1098460368.9917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098695300.4782.4.camel@anu.eridu> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 08:52 -0700, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 04:43, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > system-config-display --reconfig > > This isn't actually supposed to let me set what features to use on the > touchpad, is it? I mean, after doing this, I get tap-to-click, edge > scrolling and working scroll buttons ('mouse wheel' equivalent) No there is know interface for configuration. > However, not everyone wants all the features - e.g. i've been > considering whether it wouldn't be more convenient to use the scroll > buttons as middle mouse button since I can just use edge-scroll instead, > and I know some people who absolutely detest tap-to-click (although I > personally hate using a touchpad without it). So some kind of > feature-configuration interface would certainly be nice. (I guess it > would best be integrated in system-config-mouse?) FC4 material in all > likelihood, thanks a lot for getting the touchpads working sanely in any > case! Yes it was too late in the day to get gui changes for s-c-mouse so this is FC4 development. docs are shipped - rpm -qd synaptics. Paul > > /Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > From jorton at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 09:20:48 2004 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:20:48 +0100 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 09:55:53PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 12:19 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > Oh, this is still so insane! Do you want two copies of libphp4.so, one > > which contains just the "config testing" code too, or what? > > No, that wouldn't be necessary. Each domain would have the privileges > to map libphp4.so and use it. So why would any PHP code be deemed to be safe to have terminal access, but not certain bits of httpd code? I don't get it. There's also the issue that httpd *does* need terminal access during during startup for configurations using encrypted private SSL keys: mod_ssl will open /dev/tty to prompt for a password. joe From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 09:24:20 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:24:20 +0200 Subject: make rpm "kernels" what other options or web-links? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098696260.8604.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 03:57 -0500, Justin Conover a ?crit : > Can some one give me some basic "extra's other than make rpm for > kernels? Things like makeing the source-code rpm can you build with > --target=i686. stuff like that. Any links out there. > rpm -i kernel-2.6*.src.rpm replace "%define buildsource 0" by "%define buildsource 1" in kernel-2.6.spec . Build with "rpmbuild -bb --target noarch kernel-2.6.spec". > Thx, > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From veillard at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 10:01:30 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:01:30 -0400 Subject: Yum error reporting needs work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041025100130.GK26196@redhat.com> On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 10:21:11PM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > send(4, "GET /download/mirrors/fedora-cor"..., 130, 0) = 130 > recv(4, "H", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "T", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "P", 1, 0) = 1 > recv(4, "/", 1, 0) = 1 I can't believe they still didn't fixed the python HTTP header scanning code to buffer thre reads ... One syscall per byte in the header, I know the Python guys don't care about performances but this is sick ... Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Mon Oct 25 11:35:23 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:35:23 -0400 Subject: Kernel Panic on JFS install of test 3 In-Reply-To: <417B1C01.8080505@margo.bijoux.nom.br> References: <4171685D.708@margo.bijoux.nom.br> <1098059606.4247.85.camel@albus.aeon.com.my> <417B1C01.8080505@margo.bijoux.nom.br> Message-ID: <1098704123.13491.2.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 23:05, Pedro Fernandes Macedo wrote: > Yep.. I wish jfs had the necessary support for selinux.... Then send a note to the upstream maintainers of jfs. I've seen a patch posted previously on their list to add support for the security xattrs, don't know why it hasn't gone upstream. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Mon Oct 25 12:05:15 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:05:15 -0400 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions In-Reply-To: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> References: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <1098705915.13491.23.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 23:56, John Reiser wrote: > I believe that I may have suffered a case where a fresh install of > Fedora Core 3 [Test 3] with SELinux in targeted, permissive mode borked > existing multi-booted installations of RedHat 9, RedHat 8.0, and RedHat > 7.3 [separate ext3 root filesystems for each]. The typical symptom when > booting an old system is a console message: > Freeing unused kernel memory: 156k freed > attempt to access beyond end of device > 03:09: rw=0, want=1219858868, limit=5863693 > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. 2.4 kernels < 2.4.25 had an issue in their fast symlink detection code that would cause them to die in this manner upon accessing a fast symlink with an extended attribute set on it. A fix was included in the FC1 kernel starting with 2.4.22-1.2149.nptl. > So, how do I recover? [I need to boot the old systems to support > customers who run them.] What about a procedure like this: In theory, you should be able to remove the SELinux attributes from the filesystems if you want to use them with the older kernels, e.g. boot FC3test3 with selinux=0, then run find / -exec setfattr -x security.selinux {} \; You need selinux=0 as SELinux won't let you remove them if it is active, but you need a kernel that includes the xattr security handlers to remove them, so you need a 2.6 kernel like the FC3test3 one. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 12:20:45 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:20:45 +0200 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions In-Reply-To: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> References: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> Message-ID: <1098706844.2798.25.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:56 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > The cause might be that install causes all existing ext3 filesystems > get the new attribute ext_attr, and older kernels have bugs interpreting > this. This seems to happen even for filesystems that were omitted from > the mount list when DiskDruid was run during install of FC3test3. "Auto > management" of /media/idediskN might be a reason why. > There is one caveat to be aware of: ext3 provides compatibility in one direction; new features can and are getting added that aren't readable by older kernels. Yet being able to read and write to older partitions is a very important goal for ext3. EXT3 is actively developed and enhanced still, things like online resize, extended attributes, htree, extends etc are getting added over time. Some of those are entirely transparent, others have compatibility issues, there are several levels: 1) Entirely compatible (no special feature flag) 2) Read only compatible only 3) R/W compatible but clear the feature flags not understood (eg htree) 4) Compatible except on a fsck level 5) Entirely incompatible -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From sopwith at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 12:43:17 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3 release candidate tree - try it, you'll possibly like it! In-Reply-To: <1098677848.3317.25.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> References: <1098677848.3317.25.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Dax Kelson wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 15:36, Elliot Lee wrote: > > There's a tree available that looks pretty close to what FC3 will be. > > > > The main URL is http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ and there's a > > mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc1/3/ > > > > Please try to break it. Especially interesting are bugs in the kernel, and > > any installer bugs resulting from kernel changes. > > How close is the rawhide tree to this RC tree? The biggest difference is the presence of .iso images in the rc tree. If you've already done the install recently, no need to worry about it. -- Elliot We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from playing with matches. From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 12:44:56 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:44:56 +0200 Subject: artswrapper suid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 08:37 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Why no suid for artswrapper? well for setuid the question really should be.. "why" not "why not" :) the fewer setuid in the distro the better. why would sound stuff need to be setuid root ? the PAM console code will make sound devices accessible to local users already. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ngc4013 at cox.net Mon Oct 25 12:50:09 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:50:09 -0400 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices Message-ID: <417CF681.7020707@cox.net> I have read many of the udev messages in the archive and still have some issues. Mainly I need to know how to easily add another device file into the /dev directory since when booting the system will not automatically setup the required /dev/md1 for the second RAID box I added on. Bill From barryn at pobox.com Mon Oct 25 12:59:57 2004 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:59:57 -0700 Subject: artswrapper suid? In-Reply-To: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <20041025125957.GA17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 02:44:56PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > why would sound stuff need to be setuid root ? the PAM console code will > make sound devices accessible to local users already. So it can run at realtime scheduling priority? -Barry K. Nathan From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 13:00:59 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:00:59 +0200 Subject: artswrapper suid? In-Reply-To: <20041025125957.GA17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041025125957.GA17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20041025130059.GA9062@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 05:59:57AM -0700, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 02:44:56PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > why would sound stuff need to be setuid root ? the PAM console code will > > make sound devices accessible to local users already. > > So it can run at realtime scheduling priority? sounds like a bad idea to me... From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 25 13:00:49 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:00:49 -0400 Subject: artswrapper suid? References: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 08:37 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> Why no suid for artswrapper? > > well for setuid the question really should be.. "why" not "why not" :) > the fewer setuid in the distro the better. > > why would sound stuff need to be setuid root ? the PAM console code will > make sound devices accessible to local users already. It wants to set real time priority. From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 12:59:08 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:59:08 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098709148.16158.3.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> You should learn two very important things before spouting off at the mouth (or keyboard) like this again. 1) Security best practices (not your idea of it, but from experts in the field). 2) The different goals between the Fedora Project and RHEL -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From harald at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 13:04:12 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:04:12 +0200 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices In-Reply-To: <417CF681.7020707@cox.net> References: <417CF681.7020707@cox.net> Message-ID: <417CF9CC.4090606@redhat.com> Bill Cronk wrote: > I have read many of the udev messages in the archive and still have some > issues. > > Mainly I need to know how to easily add another device file into the > /dev directory since when booting the system will not automatically > setup the required /dev/md1 for the second RAID box I added on. > > > Bill > http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html From rmy at tigress.co.uk Mon Oct 25 13:04:06 2004 From: rmy at tigress.co.uk (Ron Yorston) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:04:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions Message-ID: <200410251304.OAA11270@internal.tigress.co.uk> arjanv at redhat.com wrote: >On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:56 -0700, John Reiser wrote: >> The cause might be that install causes all existing ext3 filesystems >> get the new attribute ext_attr, and older kernels have bugs interpreting >> this. This seems to happen even for filesystems that were omitted from >> the mount list when DiskDruid was run during install of FC3test3. "Auto >> management" of /media/idediskN might be a reason why. >>=20 > >There is one caveat to be aware of: ext3 provides compatibility in one >direction; new features can and are getting added that aren't readable >by older kernels. Yet being able to read and write to older partitions >is a very important goal for ext3. Yes, all very true, but that doesn't address my concerns about this issue. The original poster suggests that even unmounted filesystems can be affected by intalling FC3. Is that true? And if so will it be fixed before FC3 is released? Can potential problems be avoided by installing FC3 with SELinux turned off? Until I have more information about this I'm not going to let FC3 anywhere near machines that multi-boot other versions of Linux. Ron From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 13:03:08 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:03:08 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 04:32, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le dimanche 24 octobre 2004 ? 20:40 -0700, Andrew Farris a ?crit : [snip] > > Which is chiefly why you're supposed to keep it off critical systems.. > > My personal computer (which run FC3 since FC3T2) is a "critical system". > Not you ? I won't claim to speak for Andrew Farris, but I suspect his answer is the same as mine: HELL NO! > Every one here know that rawhide can be completely buggy. It's not a > reason to tolerate security hole. Well, now, I guess that's your problem. A third thing you should learn before spouting off like this: 3) Learn the meaning of testing. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 25 13:07:10 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:07:10 -0400 Subject: artswrapper suid? References: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041025125957.GA17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> <20041025130059.GA9062@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 05:59:57AM -0700, Barry K. Nathan wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 02:44:56PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: >> > why would sound stuff need to be setuid root ? the PAM console code >> > will make sound devices accessible to local users already. >> >> So it can run at realtime scheduling priority? > > sounds like a bad idea to me... > Why? From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Mon Oct 25 13:05:37 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:05:37 -0400 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098709536.13491.79.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 05:20, Joe Orton wrote: > There's also the issue that httpd *does* need terminal access during > during startup for configurations using encrypted private SSL keys: > mod_ssl will open /dev/tty to prompt for a password. Yes, I think there is an open bugzilla on that issue. The init script could interpose a pty and proxy the exchange so that the daemon never needs direct access to the original tty. Or, one _could_ conditionally allow access to the tty by httpd_t based on a policy boolean, and have httpd or the init script explicitly toggle the boolean after startup to remove access after initialization. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 13:23:47 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:23:47 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> Message-ID: <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Nadeem, Yes, its still evolving, and most-current releases are certainly much better than the ones that came before. What specific things don't you like about the UI? We're still not quite sure we like the layout of the menu in NetworkManagerNotification, and we're quite open to suggestions... Dan On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 22:08 -0700, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > Dan, > > even though NetworkManager seems technically superior to netapplet, > netapplet has a nicer user interface and works for me. I had problems > with NetworkManager and had it fail many times especially when i switch > from a wired to a wireless connection. Also I am not sure where to get > the applet. I hope that NetworkManger would evolve into a powerful > network management tool and not be as buggy as neat, which always had > problems with multiple profiles. If you look at the archives you would > find me waiting since redhat 8.0 for an easy network configuration tool > and having either NetworkManger or netapplet/netdaemon work would be > great. > > FYI: > rpm -qa |grep NetworkManager > NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 > NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 > > Nadeem > > On ?, 2004-10-24 at 20:40 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > > > Please include the netapplet[1] in FC3. > > > I have spent the last few hours trying to compile it myself and install > > > it with no success. For mobile users who change network settings two > > > times a day or more, this applet is a must. > > > > Nadeem, > > > > netapplet won't get in FC3 for a few reasons... > > > > 1) FC3 is already locked. No new things are going in, and only critical > > bugfixes make the cut. > > > > 2) We're moving to NetworkManager > > (http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager). NM uses dbus and exposes > > a rich network information and control interface to userspace > > applications, much more than netapplet does. What NM doesn't do that > > netapplet does right now is support dialup connections, but in the near > > future we hope that's a possiblity. Except for dialup, NetworkManager > > does everything that netapplet does, and alows user applications like > > Evolution, Firefox, etc to know about the network state (like offline > > mode, for example). It also automatically switches network interfaces if > > desired, so that when you dock your laptop for example, it will switch to > > the wired interface automatically. > > > > 3) There really isn't a place for more than 1 wireless applet, and we had > > 3 to choose from (gnome-applets one, NetworkManager, and netapplet) > > > > Dan > > > > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 13:23:28 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:23:28 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098709148.16158.3.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709148.16158.3.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098710609.9215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 08:59 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > You should learn two very important things before spouting off at the > mouth (or keyboard) like this again. > > 1) Security best practices (not your idea of it, but from experts in > the field). And what is your solution for mirrors ? I want your advice as an "Expert". btw, in test release (fc3t? or fc3rc?) _all_ packages are signed even if the release is completely broken. Where is the coherence of having signed rpm for test release but unsigned rpm for updates. Any advice Mister "Expert" ? > 2) The different goals between the Fedora Project and RHEL Great. http://fedora.redhat.com/ should be updated with : expert security practises during test cycle : - Please, don't use mirrors -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From barryn at pobox.com Mon Oct 25 13:35:25 2004 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:35:25 -0700 Subject: artswrapper suid? In-Reply-To: References: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <20041025125957.GA17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> <20041025130059.GA9062@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041025133525.GB17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:07:10AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 05:59:57AM -0700, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 02:44:56PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > >> > why would sound stuff need to be setuid root ? the PAM console code > >> > will make sound devices accessible to local users already. > >> > >> So it can run at realtime scheduling priority? > > > > sounds like a bad idea to me... > > > Why? I was going to ask that too, but then I Googled and found this: http://kdenews.unixcode.org/?node=news&action=article;18 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266760 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88401 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86426 Even if artsd isn't running as root, the fact that it obtains realtime priority (via a setuid artswrapper) lets it take down the system (whether with an intentional denial-of-service attack or because of accidental bugs). -Barry K. Nathan From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 13:36:14 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:36:14 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098710609.9215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709148.16158.3.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710609.9215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098711373.16407.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 09:23, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 08:59 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > > You should learn two very important things before spouting off at the > > mouth (or keyboard) like this again. > > > > 1) Security best practices (not your idea of it, but from experts in > > the field). > > > And what is your solution for mirrors ? > I want your advice as an "Expert". Never said or even *implied* that *I* was an expert. What I was implying is that you need to get an expert opinion from someone *recognized in the field* about the wisdom of automatically signing packages without any human intervention if you want to influence of Red Hat's signing policy. *Or* detail your own credentials in the field of computer security. Why should anyone take your (or even mine, for that matter) advice on the matter? -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 13:41:33 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:41:33 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 09:25, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 09:03 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > > 3) Learn the meaning of testing. > > Testing does *not* mean : testing cracked packages ! > OK ? You're making quite a leap, here. I was responding to your statement that you are, in fact, using the test releases on what you consider a critical system. I think you'll find copious references to explicit warnings against this practice both on the Fedora website and from several posts to this and other Red Hat lists. You've chosen to ignore those warnings. That said, perhaps Red Hat does need to do a better job of making sure all packages are signed, but so far no one has come up with a workable, *secure* way of doing that in a timely enough fashion to keep up with the pace of testing. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From walters at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 13:49:35 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:49:35 -0400 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098712175.10115.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 10:20 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 09:55:53PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 12:19 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > Oh, this is still so insane! Do you want two copies of libphp4.so, one > > > which contains just the "config testing" code too, or what? > > > > No, that wouldn't be necessary. Each domain would have the privileges > > to map libphp4.so and use it. > > So why would any PHP code be deemed to be safe to have terminal access, > but not certain bits of httpd code? It doesn't have anything to do with the safety of PHP. Rather, it has to do with the fact that SELinux does *not* distinguish between different shared libraries within a single process. Once a process running as httpd_t loads a shared library, that library is part of the process and any code in it runs as httpd_t. > There's also the issue that httpd *does* need terminal access during > during startup for configurations using encrypted private SSL keys: > mod_ssl will open /dev/tty to prompt for a password. Ugh. Stephen's suggestion of having an init proxy here makes the most sense to me. From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Oct 25 14:00:55 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:00:55 +0100 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200410251500.56119.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 25 October 2004 14:23, Dan Williams wrote: > Yes, its still evolving, and most-current releases are certainly much > better than the ones that came before. What specific things don't you > like about the UI? We're still not quite sure we like the layout of the > menu in NetworkManagerNotification, and we're quite open to > suggestions... Probably a very ignorant question, but what exactly is NetworkManager? Is it a standard application in Fedora-2? If so, where is it found on the Menu? How is it related to Start=>System Settings=>Network and Start=>System Tools=>Netword Device Configuration and the CLI program system-config-network ? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From alaxsxaq at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 14:03:01 2004 From: alaxsxaq at gmail.com (Glen Staufer) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:03:01 -0400 Subject: Gmail Invites!! In-Reply-To: <1098638515.5689.4.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> References: <1098638307.14502.18.camel@RuneLinux.tamn.local> <1098638515.5689.4.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:21:55 -0500, AMAZING POWERS OF OBSERVATION wrote: > yea same here if ya got a gmail invite to spare . > If you are looking for invites, keep your eye on: http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php That's where I found mine. I upload any I get there to payback the kindness. Glenn From arjanv at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 14:06:10 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:06:10 +0200 Subject: artswrapper suid? In-Reply-To: References: <1098708295.2798.27.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1098713169.2798.32.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 09:00 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 08:37 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > >> Why no suid for artswrapper? > > why would sound stuff need to be setuid root ? the PAM console code will > > make sound devices accessible to local users already. > > It wants to set real time priority. yes but for all the wrong reasons :) it wants low latency response to the sound hardware (so that the buffers don't underrun), and it makes the assumption that if it has real time priority it is able to achieve that task better. 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It automatically manages your network connections and provides the ability to manually switch between wired and wireless connections, and to choose specific access points. http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager Dan From gene.heskett at verizon.net Mon Oct 25 14:39:28 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:39:28 -0400 Subject: FC3rc1 disk one small Message-ID: <200410251039.29158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Greetings; I've now downloaded al 4 iso's for rc1, including disk 1 twice. Unforch, while the Mozilla downloader thinks disk 1 is complete, the size of the disk 1 file as it shows it in its dl window is only 156550 KB. According to the MD5SUM file in that directory, there should be a dvd iso, but its not there, and the md5sum is correct. All 4 are correct in fact. However, says he, scratching head in puzzlement, an ls -l does show a nearly full cd's file size at 630525952 Oct 25 07:46 FC3-i386-disc1.iso. Methinks Mozilla has a bug or 2. When dl'ing, the reported speeds exceeded my dsl bandwidth by about 50% too. The rescue iso is coming in now. And at the correct 82KB/sec. Redhat must have put some bigger iron in that downloads box, I usually only get 3 to 15 KB/sec out of any redhat src machine, with long pauses in the data flow, presumably due to small pipes. Amazing, and kudo's to redhat for fixing that! The srcs will be equally pleasureable to get at this rate. Several Silly Q's dept: Running 2.6.9 on an FC2 system with all ext3 filesystems, and that 'mkdvd-1.0' out of cd iso's script, can I put the src iso's on that same RW dvd? Is the resultant dvd iso too big for either the filesystem or the actual disk? How do I assure that such a script built dvd image remains bootable like the disk one cd is when burning it with a recent k3b? -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 14:06:58 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:06:58 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 09:41 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 09:25, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 09:03 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > > > 3) Learn the meaning of testing. > > > > Testing does *not* mean : testing cracked packages ! > > OK ? > > You're making quite a leap, here. I was responding to your statement > that you are, in fact, using the test releases on what you consider a > critical system. I think you'll find copious references to explicit > warnings against this practice both on the Fedora website and from > several posts to this and other Red Hat lists. You've chosen to ignore > those warnings. Please... I not chose to *ignore* those warnings. You are ignoring that using a test release is the _best_ way to test it and be fully happy with the finale release when it's out. The point is not to be happy with a test release but with the finale release. The propose of test release can be see as : - find stupid boys (like me), or girls, which use test release and file bug report. - provide some support (bugfix, mailing, etc) to not make it a total disaster. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From royamitabha at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 15:06:02 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:06:02 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098714396.21284.10.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <200410251500.56119.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098714396.21284.10.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <77e74f3e04102508061400f36c@mail.gmail.com> I tried NetworkManager without success. When I run NetworkManagerInfo, nothing comes up in the notification area (I have the daemon running). The strange thing is that when I kill NetworkManager, then the applet comes up in the notification area and looks for networks. Of course, it does not find any at that time. So far, haven't had much success with it at all. On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:26:36 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 15:00 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > On Monday 25 October 2004 14:23, Dan Williams wrote: > > Probably a very ignorant question, > > but what exactly is NetworkManager? > > Is it a standard application in Fedora-2? > > If so, where is it found on the Menu? > > No, its for FC3 only at this point, since it depends on certain features > of current HAL and dbus. It automatically manages your network > connections and provides the ability to manually switch between wired > and wireless connections, and to choose specific access points. > > http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager > > Dan > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From k7qo at commspeed.net Mon Oct 25 15:09:47 2004 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:09:47 -0700 Subject: K3b under FC3rc1 x86_64 - keep permissions In-Reply-To: <417CA99E.7040706@redhat.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20041023142943.025b4f00@mail.commspeed.net> <417CA99E.7040706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041025075314.025052a0@mail.commspeed.net> > >Well, it's all about the way you mount the CD... look in /etc/fstab. It is >mounted read-only :), so nothing can have the write flag. >Think about backing up a tar.gz, which keeps all flags. Yes, fstab did mount the disc ro, but that does not change the file and directory permissions. The file permissions are not changed. Only the directories are ro when the disc is mounted. I changed the fstab entry to allow rw, but the system shows the device as ro and aborts the mount command as an error due to wrong option. I used to do the conversion to tar files per directory for backups before the use of a DVD. I would like to have the capability of doing backups without the overhead of converting to tarballs before writing to DVD...... The issue of keeping w permissions on directories seems to be internal to K3b and a bug report has been filed with them. Thanks, Chuck Adams, K7QO CP-60 WPM k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ http://www.commspeed.net/k7qo Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.279 / Virus Database: 264.12.2 - Release Date: 10/22/2004 From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 25 15:27:35 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:27:35 +0000 Subject: Netapplet Message-ID: Hi, I've noticed its not _until_ I plug my wireless card in (its a cardbus Netgear WG511) that I get the notification area icon. Plus, if I save my session settings then I get n+1 NetworkManagerInfo processes the next time I log in. Since originally I had my session settings saved automatically they began to pile up. Now that I've turned session setting save "off" its much better. -- I think Dan may be working on that -- if I've read the NetworkManger list right. On a positive note, though I would say that in terms of being smart about stuff I've found NetworkManager to be better than netapplet - like if my wired connection is plugged in an I don't have a wireless connection or card it brings up the wired connection just like I would want it to. So that is a win in the "just works" column. Andrew From kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu Mon Oct 25 15:38:41 2004 From: kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu (Kevin H. Hobbs) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:38:41 -0400 Subject: make rpm "kernels" what other options or web-links? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098718721.11073.31.camel@gargon.hooperlab> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 04:57, Justin Conover wrote: > Can some one give me some basic "extra's other than make rpm for > kernels? Things like makeing the source-code rpm can you build with > --target=i686. stuff like that. Any links out there. > > Thx, I am working on a kernel compilation tutorial you might find usefull There is a bugzilla entry for the doc at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From royamitabha at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 16:00:09 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:00:09 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77e74f3e04102509004a4d9744@mail.gmail.com> I have noticed that the applet does come up on plugging in a wireless PC card, however I dont see that behaviour for builtin wireless cards, though, IMHO, they should work the same way. I am *hoping* that NetworkManager will be good enough soon to solve these issues. Its my single most desired RFE for linux. Going from office to home to Starbucks, I have to manually change settings and log out of X (because xauth does not allow display to new hostname). On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:27:35 +0000, Andrew wrote: > Hi, > > I've noticed its not _until_ I plug my wireless card in (its a cardbus Netgear WG511) that I get the notification area icon. Plus, if I save my session settings then I get n+1 NetworkManagerInfo processes the next time I log in. Since originally I had my session settings saved automatically they began to pile up. Now that I've turned session setting save "off" its much better. -- I think Dan may be working on that -- if I've read the NetworkManger list right. On a positive note, though I would say that in terms of being smart about stuff I've found NetworkManager to be better than netapplet - like if my wired connection is plugged in an I don't have a wireless connection or card it brings up the wired connection just like I would want it to. So that is a win in the "just works" column. > > Andrew > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 16:08:16 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:08:16 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 10:06, Matias F?liciano wrote: [snip] > Please... I not chose to *ignore* those warnings. > You are ignoring that using a test release is the _best_ way to test it > and be fully happy with the finale release when it's out. The point is > not to be happy with a test release but with the finale release. > > The propose of test release can be see as : > - find stupid boys (like me), or girls, which use test release and file > bug report. > - provide some support (bugfix, mailing, etc) to not make it a total > disaster. Well, I suppose that's an okay way of looking at it, but methinks you need to make up your mind. Are you ignoring the warnings not to use this on a 'critical' system, or is your desktop that you have it installed on *not* a critical system. Can't have it both ways. I was about to say that this has strayed far off topic, but adopting good testing practices seems pretty on topic for fedora-test-list. It is true that the best way to test it is to use it. I think that's pretty much a given. And it's fine, and actually encouraged for testers to use it on a desktop they use on a regular basis. But rely on it to be secure or stable and developers will probably point and laugh at you. And justifiably so. Of course they'll want to hear about security problems and other bugs. After all, that's the whole point. But if a test release eats your critical data for which you have no backups, or messes up your desktop so bad that your late on a project at work, no one is going to have any sympathy for you. Put it on a server serving hundreds or thousands of users who are not willing testers and developers will call you insane. I apologize if I seem a bit antagonistic about this. It's just that I see it as pretty important that people understand what testing means: that your data may get eaten alive and no one will be able to save you from that. That's at least partially what's meant when Red Hat says not to use it on critical systems. And it's also important to understand what the Fedora Project is and how it differs from RHEL. RHEL *absolutely* *will* receive more attention from Red Hat than Fedora Core. RHEL is the money maker. Fedora Core is the proving grounds. That's the bottom line. At least, that's how I see it. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From dcbw at redhat.com Mon Oct 25 16:06:31 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:06:31 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04102509004a4d9744@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e04102509004a4d9744@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098720391.22379.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> The applet should not be present when you only have a wired card in the computer. However, it _should_ show when you have more than 1 device, or when you have _any_ wireless devices plugged in and in-use. Other behaviors are likely bugs. BTW, what's your onboard wireless card's driver and model? Dan On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 12:00 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > I have noticed that the applet does come up on plugging in a wireless PC card, > however I dont see that behaviour for builtin wireless cards, though, IMHO, > they should work the same way. > > I am *hoping* that NetworkManager will be good enough soon to solve > these issues. > Its my single most desired RFE for linux. Going from office to home to > Starbucks, > I have to manually change settings and log out of X (because xauth does not > allow display to new hostname). From linux_4ever at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 16:07:44 2004 From: linux_4ever at yahoo.com (Steve G) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions In-Reply-To: <200410251304.OAA11270@internal.tigress.co.uk> Message-ID: <20041025160744.13431.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, >The original poster suggests that even unmounted filesystems can be >affected by intalling FC3. Is that true? And if so will it be fixed >before FC3 is released? I'm the original poster. What I saw that was happening was that all hard drives were being included by default into fstab. It was quite a while ago. The problem comes from 2 places. If the old drives are mounted and a mount while booting into a se linux enabled system causes the mount count to exceed the number of mounts before running fsck...it will potentially write to the old drive. Or, if you boot into a se linux session and copy a file to the old partitions, you might introduce corruption. I've noticed that the problems come in 2 flavors...you get messages about corruption and a kernel panic that freezes the machine. I don't know if the old partitions still get included in fstab by default. I changed what I'm doing to avoid the problem. I want to think some changes were made in hal that helps the problem. -Steve Grubb _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 13:43:41 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:43:41 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098711373.16407.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709148.16158.3.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710609.9215.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711373.16407.6.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098711822.9215.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 09:36 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > Never said or even *implied* that *I* was an expert. Sorry :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One can disable automounting from the gnome- volume-manager capplet to work around this until the real bug is fixed. HTH, David From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 25 16:51:07 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:51:07 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04102508061400f36c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <200410251500.56119.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098714396.21284.10.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <77e74f3e04102508061400f36c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098723067.20608.19.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 11:06 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > I tried NetworkManager without success. When I run NetworkManagerInfo, > nothing comes up in the notification area (I have the daemon running). Do you have network connection? The notification area icon doesn't appear if there is a wired network present. NetworkManager always uses the wired network if present. If you disconnect the network cable, the notification area icon should appear with the wireless network options. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 25 17:00:36 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:00:36 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098723636.12554.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> -On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 00:25 -0400, Patrick Jordan wrote: > I noticed some abnormalities with the earlier test3 versions, but > since deleting all my configurations and remaking them I've had no > problems. The current version seems to work fine. > Which version are you running? I have system-config-network-1.3.22-1 on FC3-T3 and it's still broken for me. I won't be able to attempt an install of RC1 until maybe tonight or tomorrow, but RC1 includes the same version in any case. To recap (and to see if we're talking about the same thing): if I set eth0 active and eth1 inactive for Work profile, then eth0 inactive and eth1 active for Home, when I save changes and the dust settles down I will end up with the Home devices set active in ALL profiles. No matter which profile you change by setting different devices active, the moment you save changes you get those very same devices active in all profiles. Has anyone else seen this behavior? Can someone tell me for sure that it WORKSFORTHEM or that it's broken there as well? I'll try the fresh install ASAP, but it's definitely broken here. Any comments welcome. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 25 17:02:41 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:02:41 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <20041022170720.C31922@mail.harddata.com> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041022170720.C31922@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098723761.12554.10.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 17:07 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Well, "destroys" in that sense that you had some network > configuration, you tried to produce another one in what seemed like > a different profile, and now the original is gone. It seems that > this is what you are describing as the current behaviour? > Not "gone" in the sense of deleted. But the devices I set active in my Work profile, are erroneously also set to active in every other profile when I save changes. So whatever profile I last edited, those are the devices I get in every other profile too. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Mon Oct 25 17:04:42 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:04:42 -0600 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <200410231534.35229.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <20041022131002.A26882@mail.harddata.com> <1098481596.12455.65.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <200410231534.35229.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098723882.12554.12.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 15:34 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Now I go into college. > I go to System Tools=>Network Device Control > choose the College Profile and click on Activate. > According to the screen, the active Profile is "College", but it says that > "the interfaces configured in the active Profile are: eth0_home", > which is _not_ what I want. > > If I now go to System Settings=>Network > it says the active Profile is College, > but it has changed the College settings > so that eth0_home is ticked but not eth0_away. > > When I run "sudo service network restart" > it says it is bringing up eth_home > (while it should of course be bringing up eth0_away). > It has however changed /etc/resolv.conf correctly. > Yup, that sounds exactly like what I have. Have you solved this some way, or just quit using it? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From i.pilcher at comcast.net Mon Oct 25 16:35:29 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:35:29 -0500 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> Message-ID: Paul Iadonisi wrote: > I apologize if I seem a bit antagonistic about this. It's just that I > see it as pretty important that people understand what testing means: > that your data may get eaten alive and no one will be able to save you > from that. That's at least partially what's meant when Red Hat says not > to use it on critical systems. > And it's also important to understand what the Fedora Project is and > how it differs from RHEL. RHEL *absolutely* *will* receive more > attention from Red Hat than Fedora Core. RHEL is the money maker. > Fedora Core is the proving grounds. That's the bottom line. At least, > that's how I see it. From my point of view, both of those points (with which I agree, BTW) are orthogonal to the question of having signed packages. Bugs, even security-related bugs, are very different from deliberately trojaned code. People accept a level of risk of buggy code when they choose to run Fedora Core (as opposed to RHEL) or a Fedora Core test release. There is no good reason, however, to force Fedora Core testers to accept a higher risk of malware. -- ======================================================================== Ian Pilcher i.pilcher at comcast.net ======================================================================== From kyrre at solution-forge.net Mon Oct 25 17:23:10 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:23:10 +0200 Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) In-Reply-To: References: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098724990.28467.4.camel@kyrre> Will fc3-rc2 come out tomorrow? When tomorrow? man, 25.10.2004 kl. 00.04 skrev Elliot Lee: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, DAVID BENTLEY wrote: > > > Just had a first look at FC3-rc1 that I downloaded > > overnight last night and have just burned to CD's and > > noticed that the release notes and readme files on the > > rescue CD still refer to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3 > > Yea, this is because the fedora-release package hasn't been updated yet. > This is coming tomorrow. > > -- Elliot > We're so busy putting out fires that we don't take time to stop kids from > playing with matches. From volinux at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 17:28:54 2004 From: volinux at gmail.com (Patrick Jordan) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:28:54 -0400 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: <1098723636.12554.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098723636.12554.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:00:36 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > -On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 00:25 -0400, Patrick Jordan wrote: > > I noticed some abnormalities with the earlier test3 versions, but > > since deleting all my configurations and remaking them I've had no > > problems. The current version seems to work fine. > > > > Which version are you running? I have system-config-network-1.3.22-1 on > FC3-T3 and it's still broken for me. I won't be able to attempt an > install of RC1 until maybe tonight or tomorrow, but RC1 includes the > same version in any case. Same version here, from rawhide. > To recap (and to see if we're talking about the same thing): if I set > eth0 active and eth1 inactive for Work profile, then eth0 inactive and > eth1 active for Home, when I save changes and the dust settles down I > will end up with the Home devices set active in ALL profiles. The only time I see this behaviour is with the default Common profile. If you set something in the common profile it gets set or unset in all profiles. I checked and you can't rename the common profile, but maybe copying it gives you the same behavior? I'm not sure how you created your profiles, maybe this has something to do with it though. From justin.conover at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 17:05:11 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:05:11 -0500 Subject: make rpm "kernels" what other options or web-links? In-Reply-To: <1098696260.8604.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098696260.8604.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: What i'm looking for is takeing a "vanilla" or "ck" patched kernel, building it myself and using "make rpm" to create the kernel.rpm. However that doesn't not create the source-code.rpm kernel and after the build is finished the buildsource isn't in the .spec like it is when the folks from fedora/redhat build the kernels. On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:24:20 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 03:57 -0500, Justin Conover a ?crit : > > > > Can some one give me some basic "extra's other than make rpm for > > kernels? Things like makeing the source-code rpm can you build with > > --target=i686. stuff like that. Any links out there. > > > > rpm -i kernel-2.6*.src.rpm > > replace "%define buildsource 0" by "%define buildsource 1" in > kernel-2.6.spec . > Build with "rpmbuild -bb --target noarch kernel-2.6.spec". > > > Thx, > > > > > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 17:42:07 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:42:07 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> Message-ID: <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 12:08 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 10:06, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > [snip] > > > Please... I not chose to *ignore* those warnings. > > You are ignoring that using a test release is the _best_ way to test it > > and be fully happy with the finale release when it's out. The point is > > not to be happy with a test release but with the finale release. > > > > The propose of test release can be see as : > > - find stupid boys (like me), or girls, which use test release and file > > bug report. > > - provide some support (bugfix, mailing, etc) to not make it a total > > disaster. > > Well, I suppose that's an okay way of looking at it, but methinks you > need to make up your mind. Are you ignoring the warnings not to use > this on a 'critical' system, or is your desktop that you have it > installed on *not* a critical system. My desktop is a critical system for _me_. It's up to me to decide what to install on it (and thank to Red Hat to inform me about what this imply). btw, I have not replace FC2 by FC3T2. First I install FC3T2 along my rock solid FC2. I test FC3T2 and when I have the feeling that FC3T? is solid enough, it become my default desktop and next I remove FC2. To use or not FC3T? for a "critical-mission" (like my desktop) is up to me. off-topic: my desktop is critical to me because I have only one PC at home and use it for Internet, mail, watching/recording TV/DVD, desktop stuff... > Can't have it both ways. > I was about to say that this has strayed far off topic, but adopting > good testing practices seems pretty on topic for fedora-test-list. > It is true that the best way to test it is to use it. I think that's > pretty much a given. And it's fine, and actually encouraged for testers > to use it on a desktop they use on a regular basis. > But rely on it to be secure or stable I _never_ said that. > and developers will probably point and laugh at > you. And justifiably so. Of course they'll want to hear about security > problems and other bugs. After all, that's the whole point. But if a > test release eats your critical data for which you have no backups, Beta/test or not, you _always_ need good backup. I have *2* backups (nightly build). I archive all rawhide changes if I need to revert to an old package. If some thing does wrong with the last rawhide, I can boot with my previous backup. If it doesn't work, I can use my previous previous backup. > or > messes up your desktop so bad that your late on a project at work, no > one is going to have any sympathy for you. Put it on a server serving > hundreds or thousands of users who are not willing testers and > developers will call you insane. > I apologize if I seem a bit antagonistic about this. It's just that I > see it as pretty important that people understand what testing means: I understand what testing is. I use beta/test release since RH8.0. I never complaint about it eat data. > that your data may get eaten alive and no one will be able to save you > from that. That's at least partially what's meant when Red Hat says not > to use it on critical systems. > And it's also important to understand what the Fedora Project is and > how it differs from RHEL. > RHEL *absolutely* *will* receive more attention from Red Hat than Fedora Core. What are we talking ? We are talking about beta/test. I feel Red Hat put the same level of attention to Fedora test than they put in RHEL beta. Perhaps a "different" attention. Please, a Red Hat employer can confirm this ? > RHEL is the money maker. Yes. And Fedora help improving RHEL (don't forget this). I think Red Hat do a very good decision with the "couple" Fedora/RHEL. But this decision does not imply that Red Hat should have two class of testers : - First class testers : RHEL (rpm signed, etc) - second class testers : Fedora, don't care about this "class" of testers. Let me try to summarise (in my bad English). It's up to me to decide to use a beta for a mission critical computer. Right now, for my personal computer, I feel the risk is pay back because this improve (I hope:-)) Fedora (and RHEL in a long run). And also because I like enjoying with the latest technology. By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk (fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. > Fedora Core is the proving grounds. That's the bottom line. At least, > that's how I see it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nadiizu at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 18:02:35 2004 From: nadiizu at earthlink.net (Nadeem Bitar) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:02:35 -0700 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098720391.22379.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e04102509004a4d9744@mail.gmail.com> <1098720391.22379.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098727355.12367.13.camel@kirika> That probably explains why it doesn't work on one of my machines since I am using ndiswrapper to load the windows driver for my Dell 1450 dual band wireless card. But netapplet is working it detects all the available networks but it doesn't look like it can detect the signal strength accurately. Nadeem On ?, 2004-10-25 at 12:06 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > The applet should not be present when you only have a wired card in the > computer. However, it _should_ show when you have more than 1 device, > or when you have _any_ wireless devices plugged in and in-use. Other > behaviors are likely bugs. > > BTW, what's your onboard wireless card's driver and model? > > Dan > > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 12:00 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > I have noticed that the applet does come up on plugging in a wireless PC card, > > however I dont see that behaviour for builtin wireless cards, though, IMHO, > > they should work the same way. > > > > I am *hoping* that NetworkManager will be good enough soon to solve > > these issues. > > Its my single most desired RFE for linux. Going from office to home to > > Starbucks, > > I have to manually change settings and log out of X (because xauth does not > > allow display to new hostname). > > From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Mon Oct 25 18:06:43 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:06:43 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098727603.3357.35.camel@tuxtop> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 13:42, Matias F?liciano wrote: [snip] > By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk > (fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. With this statement, along with Ian Pilcher's last post to this thread, perhaps I should shut up about it, since, in essence, I'm in violent agreement with both of you ;-). But, I tend to agree with what someone posted about packages signed with keys that are not password protected being only marginally better than packages not signed at all. I think it was actually in Bruce Schneier's Cryptogram that I read the statement, paraphrased, that if it's worth protecting at all, then it's worth having a password that must be typed (in reference to web server certificates, but the principle is the same). So, since I haven't seen any proposals, yet, for how to make sure packages are signed, without using password-less keys, how about this idea: Have more than one signing key for *develpment packages only*, named RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test-arjanv, RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test-alan, RPM-GPG-KEY-test-davej, etc, etc. Give it enough spread across Red Hat to give better odds that at least one of the signers will always be available. Shot in the dark: maybe five signers? Rotate signing responsibility on a weekly basis, maybe? This maybe a good prep for allowing more community participation as well, giving a few outsiders signing rights with a public key in /usr/share/rhn. That's the hope, anyhow, since I suspect it may be a problem for Red Hat to give internal Red Hat folks *more* responsibility in regards to Fedora Core. Anyhow, I figured I just throw that out there as idea just off the top of my head. Thoughts? -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From nadiizu at earthlink.net Mon Oct 25 18:16:33 2004 From: nadiizu at earthlink.net (Nadeem Bitar) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:16:33 -0700 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> Dan, I do not like the layout and the icons. Also I like that with netapplet I can quickly access my connection information and I am able to configure my network settings if netdaemon wasn't able to do it for me. I also like that I have access to both my wired and wireless interfaces. Basically, I would love to have the technical feature of NetworkManager working with netapplet. Nadeem On ?, 2004-10-25 at 09:23 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > Nadeem, > > Yes, its still evolving, and most-current releases are certainly much > better than the ones that came before. What specific things don't you > like about the UI? We're still not quite sure we like the layout of the > menu in NetworkManagerNotification, and we're quite open to > suggestions... > > Dan > > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 22:08 -0700, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > > Dan, > > > > even though NetworkManager seems technically superior to netapplet, > > netapplet has a nicer user interface and works for me. I had problems > > with NetworkManager and had it fail many times especially when i switch > > from a wired to a wireless connection. Also I am not sure where to get > > the applet. I hope that NetworkManger would evolve into a powerful > > network management tool and not be as buggy as neat, which always had > > problems with multiple profiles. If you look at the archives you would > > find me waiting since redhat 8.0 for an easy network configuration tool > > and having either NetworkManger or netapplet/netdaemon work would be > > great. > > > > FYI: > > rpm -qa |grep NetworkManager > > NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 > > NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 > > > > Nadeem > > > > On ?, 2004-10-24 at 20:40 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > > > > Please include the netapplet[1] in FC3. > > > > I have spent the last few hours trying to compile it myself and install > > > > it with no success. For mobile users who change network settings two > > > > times a day or more, this applet is a must. > > > > > > Nadeem, > > > > > > netapplet won't get in FC3 for a few reasons... > > > > > > 1) FC3 is already locked. No new things are going in, and only critical > > > bugfixes make the cut. > > > > > > 2) We're moving to NetworkManager > > > (http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager). NM uses dbus and exposes > > > a rich network information and control interface to userspace > > > applications, much more than netapplet does. What NM doesn't do that > > > netapplet does right now is support dialup connections, but in the near > > > future we hope that's a possiblity. Except for dialup, NetworkManager > > > does everything that netapplet does, and alows user applications like > > > Evolution, Firefox, etc to know about the network state (like offline > > > mode, for example). It also automatically switches network interfaces if > > > desired, so that when you dock your laptop for example, it will switch to > > > the wired interface automatically. > > > > > > 3) There really isn't a place for more than 1 wireless applet, and we had > > > 3 to choose from (gnome-applets one, NetworkManager, and netapplet) > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 18:31:12 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:31:12 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098727603.3357.35.camel@tuxtop> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098727603.3357.35.camel@tuxtop> Message-ID: <1098729072.9687.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 14:06 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > But, I tend to agree with what someone posted about packages signed > with keys that are not password protected being only marginally better > than packages not signed at all. This is wrong. The important thing, is the keep the secret key ... secret. Check FC3 kernel, it have signed modules and modules are signed without passphrase. Sure, having a passphrase is better to keep the secret key ... secret :-) btw, http://www.redhat.com/security/team/key.html * Rawhide Package Signing From time to time Red Hat make development software available, usually as part of Rawhide. These packages may be signed by an automated build signing key. Because this key is used automatically we expect to change the key we sign with from time to time. The current Red Hat automated build signing public key has key ID 0xe418e3aa and is available from a number of places: Useless ? rawhide packages during RH8.0 and RH9 beta are signed with an "automated build signing key". As far as I remember, first none signed packages come in FC1 test. Why ? Seem Red Hat don't want to take attention to this. RH8.0 and RH9 have (automatically) signed rpm during beta test. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From jreiser at BitWagon.com Mon Oct 25 18:33:46 2004 From: jreiser at BitWagon.com (John Reiser) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:33:46 -0700 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions In-Reply-To: <1098721941.9938.22.camel@davidz> References: <20041025160744.13431.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> <1098721941.9938.22.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <417D470A.4000001@BitWagon.com> David Zeuthen wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 09:07 -0700, Steve G wrote: > >>I don't know if the old partitions still get included in fstab by default. I >>changed what I'm doing to avoid the problem. I want to think some changes were >>made in hal that helps the problem. >> > > > Actually fstab-sync/hal (still) adds the /etc/fstab entries but note > that they are added with the 'noauto' option - e.g. they wont get > mounted at boot time. Under FC3test3 with hal-0.4.0-5, I see /etc/fstab with /dev/hda13 /media/idedisk2 ext3 pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 but /dev/hda13 _does_ get mounted as /media/idedisk2, and 'df' shows it. So is this a bug with 'noauto'? I have entered two bugzilla reports related to this situation: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137068 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137072 -- From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Mon Oct 25 18:46:56 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:46:56 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 19:42 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Let me try to summarise (in my bad English). > > It's up to me to decide to use a beta for a mission critical computer. > Right now, for my personal computer, I feel the risk is pay back because > this improve (I hope:-)) Fedora (and RHEL in a long run). And also > because I like enjoying with the latest technology. > > By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk > (fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. > I can't believe you are making this argument.*You* "forced" yourself when *you* decided to use an unsupported beta. I mean you said it yourself: "It's up to me to decide to use a beta for a mission critical computer. Right now, for my personal computer, I feel the risk is pay back..." If you don't want to take those risks, then you shouldn't be using fedora rawhide. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 19:09:35 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:09:35 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1098731375.9687.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 14:46 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla a ?crit : > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 19:42 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > > > Let me try to summarise (in my bad English). > > > > It's up to me to decide to use a beta for a mission critical computer. > > Right now, for my personal computer, I feel the risk is pay back because > > this improve (I hope:-)) Fedora (and RHEL in a long run). And also > > because I like enjoying with the latest technology. > > > > By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk > > (fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. > > > > I can't believe you are making this argument.*You* "forced" yourself > when *you* decided to use an unsupported beta. I mean you said it > yourself: > > "It's up to me to decide to use a beta for a mission critical computer. > Right now, for my personal computer, I feel the risk is pay back..." > > If you don't want to take those risks, then you shouldn't be using > fedora rawhide. > Well, you are right. But, some times rpm are signed, some times they are not, all rpm are signed when it's a full test release (FC3T1, FC3T2, ...), rpm packages for BETA RHEL are signed, ... Right now there are 4 packages not signed : gtk2-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm gtk2-devel-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm fedora-release-3-rawhide.noarch.rpm rpmdb-fedora-3-0.20041025.i386.rpm The problem is if not all packages are signed, I can't use "gpgcheck=1" with yum. Some time ago, there was over 600 (!) package not signed (more than 1 Go). If Red Hat don't want to sign their package, than they should not sign any packages at all and state this in fedora.redhat.com site to make it clear. Perhaps I will not be a beta tester any more since beta tester seem to imply "suffer with potential trojan, cracked packages, ...". Things that obviously Red Hat don't care about for Fedora but only for RHEL. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From bavinic at comcast.net Mon Oct 25 15:20:51 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:20:51 +0000 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098731375.9687.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098731375.9687.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <417D19D3.6080207@comcast.net> Matias F?liciano wrote: >Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 14:46 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla a ?crit : > > >>On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 19:42 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: >> >> >> >>>Let me try to summarise (in my bad English). >>> >>>It's up to me to decide to use a beta for a mission critical computer. >>>Right now, for my personal computer, I feel the risk is pay back because >>>this improve (I hope:-)) Fedora (and RHEL in a long run). And also >>>because I like enjoying with the latest technology. >>> >>>By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk >>>(fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. >>> >>> >>> >>I can't believe you are making this argument.*You* "forced" yourself >>when *you* decided to use an unsupported beta. I mean you said it >>yourself: >> >>"It's up to me to decide to use a beta for a mission critical computer. >>Right now, for my personal computer, I feel the risk is pay back..." >> >>If you don't want to take those risks, then you shouldn't be using >>fedora rawhide. >> >> >> > >Well, you are right. But, some times rpm are signed, some times they are >not, all rpm are signed when it's a full test release (FC3T1, >FC3T2, ...), rpm packages for BETA RHEL are signed, ... > >Right now there are 4 packages not signed : >gtk2-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm >gtk2-devel-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm >fedora-release-3-rawhide.noarch.rpm >rpmdb-fedora-3-0.20041025.i386.rpm > >The problem is if not all packages are signed, I can't use "gpgcheck=1" >with yum. >Some time ago, there was over 600 (!) package not signed (more than 1 >Go). >If Red Hat don't want to sign their package, than they should not sign >any packages at all and state this in fedora.redhat.com site to make it >clear. > >Perhaps I will not be a beta tester any more since beta tester seem to >imply "suffer with potential trojan, cracked packages, ...". Things that >obviously Red Hat don't care about for Fedora but only for RHEL. > > I've been staying out of this thread, more or less because I find the whole thing to be pointless, but now I have to say, maybe you should not be running any test version, go with a released version and you will be happy. this is a TEST version, which means there are going to be many packages released, and updated on a daily basis ( for the most part) some will be signed, some will not. as a tester, this is something you should already know. Also if you are a tester, than you should also know that you should run a test version as your primary OS, that is just plain stupid, unless you are willing to accept the problems that WILL come with running a test version. As far as the orignal topic of this post, I would really hope that no one was fooled by this, I never would have believed it. BaVinic From lists at donut.dk Mon Oct 25 19:46:05 2004 From: lists at donut.dk (Cream[DONut]) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:46:05 +0200 Subject: APM - No support? In-Reply-To: <8ee061010410231914e6e10f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ee061010410231914e6e10f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <417D57FD.9050309@donut.dk> Terry wrote: >Hello, > >I just installed FC3T3 on a Dell latitude. > >[root at davt01-linux init.d]# apm >No APM support in kernel > >[root at davt01-linux init.d]# ls /proc/apm >ls: /proc/apm: No such file or directory >[root at davt01-linux init.d]# modprobe apm >FATAL: Module apm not found. > > there is apm support in, but acpi is overriding it, try adding acpi=off to your boot parameters (worked on my IBM T40) regards Kris From feliciano.matias at free.fr Mon Oct 25 19:56:28 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:56:28 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <417D19D3.6080207@comcast.net> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098731375.9687.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> <417D19D3.6080207@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1098734188.9687.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le lundi 25 octobre 2004 ? 15:20 +0000, Jim Martin a ?crit : > this is a TEST version, OOOooo! Seems you are right. I miss it. And I miss fedora-test-list at redhat.com is "For testers of Fedora Core development releases". Sorry for the noise. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Mon Oct 25 22:18:51 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:18:51 +0100 Subject: Very Bad Thing: system-config-network horribly broken In-Reply-To: References: <1098467886.12455.4.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <1098723636.12554.7.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <200410252318.52515.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 25 October 2004 18:28, Patrick Jordan wrote: > The only time I see this behaviour is with the default Common profile. > If you set something in the common profile it gets set or unset in all > profiles. > I checked and you can't rename the common profile, but maybe copying > it gives you the same behavior? I'm not sure how you created your > profiles, maybe this has something to do with it though. The help file clearly says that you should create a new profile, and then copy an existing device. It explicitly says that one should _not_ choose "New" at this stage. The fact is, the setup in this GUI is very confused. It is not clear at any moment what one is changing - device or profile. It is not clear if the DNS settings belong to a device or a profile. It is also not clear to me why there are two applications, in System Settings=>Network and System Tools=>Network Device Control, which seem to interact in an unpredictable way. I do not understand why the programs are divided in this way. It seems completely unncessary. Personally, I have given up on this application, and am hoping the NetworkManager promised for FC3 will work better. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From graydon at epiphyte.net Mon Oct 25 22:58:12 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (Graydon) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:58:12 -0400 Subject: libwmf In-Reply-To: <1098708096.12057.6.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> References: <20041024233037.GA28063@uniserve.com> <1098708096.12057.6.camel@wombat.tiptoe.de> Message-ID: <20041025225812.GC3443@uniserve.com> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 02:41:35PM +0200, Nils Philippsen scripsit: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 19:30 -0400, graydon at epiphyte.net wrote: > > Used to have /usr/bin/update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders > > > > It doesn't anymore, and this seems to give librsvg2 and the gimp > > packages problems. > > > > Could you please open a Bugzilla ticket for this so it doesn't get lost > (in case nobody else entered it already)? Thanks. Have done; thanks! From jreiser at BitWagon.com Mon Oct 25 23:14:49 2004 From: jreiser at BitWagon.com (John Reiser) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:14:49 -0700 Subject: install corrupts existing ext3 multi-boot partitions In-Reply-To: <1098705915.13491.23.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> References: <417C7982.5050403@BitWagon.com> <1098705915.13491.23.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> Message-ID: <417D88E9.5090508@BitWagon.com> > In theory, you should be able to remove the SELinux attributes from the > filesystems if you want to use them with the older kernels, e.g. boot > FC3test3 with selinux=0, then run > find / -exec setfattr -x security.selinux {} \; > > You need selinux=0 as SELinux won't let you remove them if it is active, > but you need a kernel that includes the xattr security handlers to > remove them, so you need a 2.6 kernel like the FC3test3 one. > Thank you for the suggestion. I did that (boot FC3test3 single selinux=0; mount the filesystem in question; cd there; find . -exec ...; sync; unmount) but rebooting the RH9 system still got "attempt to access beyond end of device". So it did not work for me. What did work was to create a new filesystem of the same size without the ext_attr attribute, boot FC3test3 selinux=0, cpio the entire old filesystem to the new filesystem, adjust the ext3 label, /etc/fstab and mtab, then boot the new filesystem. -- From fedora at andrewfarris.com Mon Oct 25 23:51:10 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:51:10 -0700 Subject: make rpm "kernels" what other options or web-links? In-Reply-To: References: <1098696260.8604.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098748270.4327.20.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 12:05 -0500, Justin Conover wrote: > What i'm looking for is takeing a "vanilla" or "ck" patched kernel, > building it myself and using "make rpm" to create the kernel.rpm. > However that doesn't not create the source-code.rpm kernel and after > the build is finished the buildsource isn't in the .spec like it is > when the folks from fedora/redhat build the kernels. I think what you really want to do is something else (you just don't realize it yet). What you want to do is take the existing Fedora kernel-2.6.spec from the latest kernel srpm and modify it to do your bidding. - remove all patches you do not want to apply - change the source tarball to your ck or other patchset kernel - add in patches if you have them for moving up from that tarball - change the version information in the rpm and add your own info and comments to the specfile changelog (this is always a good idea) And then, you can build an rpm kernel to work with Fedora as it should. To get through all that you're going to need to read some about rpms and specfiles, but in the end you will be much more successful, and a happier person overall! (life is grand when things work right) :) -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Oct 26 01:10:53 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:10:53 -0400 Subject: FC3rc1 disk one small In-Reply-To: <200410251039.29158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410251039.29158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200410252110.53374.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Monday 25 October 2004 10:39, Gene Heskett wrote: >Greetings; > >I've now downloaded al 4 iso's for rc1, including disk 1 twice. >Unforch, while the Mozilla downloader thinks disk 1 is complete, the >size of the disk 1 file as it shows it in its dl window is only >156550 KB. According to the MD5SUM file in that directory, there >should be a dvd iso, but its not there, and the md5sum is correct. >All 4 are correct in fact. > >However, says he, scratching head in puzzlement, an ls -l does show > a nearly full cd's file size at 630525952 Oct 25 07:46 >FC3-i386-disc1.iso. Methinks Mozilla has a bug or 2. When dl'ing, >the reported speeds exceeded my dsl bandwidth by about 50% too. > >The rescue iso is coming in now. And at the correct 82KB/sec. > Redhat must have put some bigger iron in that downloads box, I > usually only get 3 to 15 KB/sec out of any redhat src machine, with > long pauses in the data flow, presumably due to small pipes. > Amazing, and kudo's to redhat for fixing that! The srcs will be > equally pleasureable to get at this rate. > However, to be honest about it, the http fetching is not working all that well. I have now downloaded the rescue and srcs disks several times because they fail the md5sum testing on the first pass. Is there a way to use an ftp client, specifically gftp to fetch this stuff? I can connect, but testing.fedora.redhat.com closes the connection in just a second or so. It (ftp) seems to be a much more robust protocol, it can restart from the failure point etc, whereas any mistake in the http method requires a full overwrite in order to restore, at least while using Mozilla). I've presently grabbing srcs disk 4 for the 3rd time ATM, after having had to reget disks 2 and 3 one more time to get a good checksum. Thats 2200 megabytes I should have had the first time I downloaded it. >Several Silly Q's dept: > Running 2.6.9 on an FC2 system with all ext3 filesystems, and that >'mkdvd-1.0' out of cd iso's script, can I put the src iso's on that >same RW dvd? > > Is the resultant dvd iso too big for either the filesystem or the >actual disk? > > How do I assure that such a script built dvd image remains > bootable like the disk one cd is when burning it with a recent k3b? > >-- >Cheers, Gene >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) >99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly >Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message >by Gene Heskett are: >Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 26 01:42:58 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:42:58 -0600 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 14:46 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > I can't believe you are making this argument.*You* "forced" yourself > when *you* decided to use an unsupported beta. For the love of Pete, people, chill a little. You're arguing against something that Mat?as NEVER SAID, damn it. All the guy said is that he's happy to use a test version, fully understands his risks and has taken appropriate precautions, BUT feels that not signing the Rawhide RPM packages exposes him to the small, but greater than zero, risk of someone tampering with a package hosted on a mirror somewhere. He seems to feel that this is a small but unnecessary risk that could easily be avoided by simple additional security measures which would improve the status quo and which have not been taken. All he wants to know is that he's putting potentially buggy, late-night- coffee-build, eat-your-data-alive packages on his computer BUT that if he loses data it will be to a devel problem and not some cracker. Beating the hell out of him for using test versions isn't doing *ANYONE* any good... reread his post on what he does to keep his data safe, how he runs his systems, and how long he's been running beta OS releases, and he *clearly* is doing this will full knowledge and acceptance of the risks involved. Read the posts carefully. Argue intelligently and coherently. Or be quiet. Not just Ricardo, either... there were a couple other "you're not fit to run Rawhide" posts which were no more intelligent. Sheesh. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 14:46 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > I can't believe you are making this argument.*You* "forced" yourself > > when *you* decided to use an unsupported beta. > > For the love of Pete, people, chill a little. You're arguing against > something that Mat?as NEVER SAID, damn it. > Never? Did you read his mail? Quoting Matias > By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk > (fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. > Its funny because I agree that it will be good if rawhide rpms were signed, but I was only pointing out that if you choose to use unsupported beta software for critical tasks, you can't say the provider forced you to be at risk... it was your choice to use it. > Read the posts carefully. Argue intelligently and coherently. Or be > quiet. Not just Ricardo, either... there were a couple other "you're not > fit to run Rawhide" posts which were no more intelligent. Please try to apply this to yourself too, and please don't "put words in my mouth", I never said Matias (or anyone) wasn't fit to run Rawhide, I said that if unsigned rpms were an issue for him the he should consider not using rawhide. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From lists at donut.dk Tue Oct 26 03:01:02 2004 From: lists at donut.dk (Cream[DONut]) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:01:02 +0200 Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) In-Reply-To: <417BFEFD.5010009@linux.net.mk> References: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <417BFEFD.5010009@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <417DBDEE.6080404@donut.dk> Arangel Angov wrote: > Other than that? How is it holding? Any problems? On my IBM T40 laptop, its running very nice. I've had some problems, but they are mainly contributed to the NTFS module in my rebuilt kernel (konqurer is often crashing during operations with big files on the NTFS partition). i've spent 3 nights sofar customizing it, getting it to support suspend to swap partition, setting up XFce to my needs. and generally playing around with the system (i made a working booting kernel in only 2 attempts ;) Kris From ngc4013 at cox.net Tue Oct 26 01:30:06 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:30:06 -0400 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices Message-ID: <417DA89E.8090700@cox.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barryn at pobox.com Tue Oct 26 04:48:48 2004 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:48:48 -0700 Subject: FC3rc1 disk one small In-Reply-To: <200410252110.53374.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410251039.29158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200410252110.53374.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20041026044848.GC17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:10:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > However, to be honest about it, the http fetching is not working all > that well. I have now downloaded the rescue and srcs disks several > times because they fail the md5sum testing on the first pass. > > Is there a way to use an ftp client, specifically gftp to fetch this > stuff? I can connect, but testing.fedora.redhat.com closes the > connection in just a second or so. You can use lftp to connect via http. (And if you're not having luck with testing.fedora.redhat.com, try the Duke mirror. See the original announcement for the URL.) > It (ftp) seems to be a much more robust protocol, it can restart from > the failure point etc, whereas any mistake in the http method > requires a full overwrite in order to restore, at least while using > Mozilla). HTTP also supports resuming from wherever the connection got cut off, and lftp can do that with HTTP. -Barry K. Nathan From gcarter at aesgi.com Tue Oct 26 04:53:17 2004 From: gcarter at aesgi.com (Gregory G Carter) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:53:17 -0500 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> "All he wants to know is that he's putting potentially buggy, late-night-coffee-build, eat-your-data-alive packages on his computer BUT that if he loses data it will be to a devel problem and not some cracker." Mmm....I do this all the time with Windows software. They still crack Windows with perfectly signed packages from Microsoft. I do not see signatures as such a big deal, therefore as they have not really impacted code security of Microsoft products. In FACT, I do not see how signing binaries helps really in dealing with secure code for end users. I get perfectly crackable code, with authentic Microsoft PGP keys in every service pak update for Windows 2000 for example...and XP. Signed by Microsoft and of course, Doesn't Mean Jack. The best a signed package can do is tell you where it is from. But, it doesn't make your code any less crackable or any more secure. If you believe that, then your a fool. Code should be suspicious by default, and if you can't look at it, don't install it. Works everytime for myself anyway. By looks I mean of course a procedure that allows you to look which usually is running said code first on a secured platform, watching what it does on the net while it is running and of course, doing a profile and looking at what code it spends the majority of its time executing. Unfortunately, I am sorry to say, by end user I do not mean Mary in Accounting. I mean hired Systems and Network Admins. In the US, the typical admin or network guy doesn't know jack about code. A sorry state of affairs that I am sure out sourcing will fix quickly in the next 3-4 years, thank goodness. Then we will have only the die hards left with initmate code knowledge in IT departments that can properly deploy software for end users like Mary in accounting. I assume we will push Windows out to the edge along with other propritary binaries so that IT departments run on core open source code. Right now that is a dream....but it will be a reality very shortly after we conquor the desktop. The only thing that I know of that can make a difference in code security is actually being able to look at it, understand it and fix it. If we take for a given, that software development is buggy with either closed or open source products then we have a basis for improving the situation by giving the source code and build tools away with the application so users can perform there own security checks if they wish, according to their own exhaulted standards. That is the promise of Open Source Software. That is where the REAL security begins, with the SOURCE CODE. Which is why closed proprietary binary software will NEVER be as secure as Open Source Software. So I do not think signed keys are all that important given the history of signed packages transporting crackable code all over the place. If people would use practical deployment procedures, we wouldn't need signed packages for Linux in the first place. Not something many would like to hear, but I think security in general has not improved in computing because we have all of these not required methods that make us THINK the code is safe (i.e. Oooo...the package is digitally signed so its OK....), but in reality do not address the primary issues of why executables are a risk....lack of source code. IMHO. -gc Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 14:46 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > >>I can't believe you are making this argument.*You* "forced" yourself >>when *you* decided to use an unsupported beta. >> >> > >For the love of Pete, people, chill a little. You're arguing against >something that Mat?as NEVER SAID, damn it. > >All the guy said is that he's happy to use a test version, fully >understands his risks and has taken appropriate precautions, BUT feels >that not signing the Rawhide RPM packages exposes him to the small, but >greater than zero, risk of someone tampering with a package hosted on a >mirror somewhere. He seems to feel that this is a small but unnecessary >risk that could easily be avoided by simple additional security measures >which would improve the status quo and which have not been taken. > >All he wants to know is that he's putting potentially buggy, late-night- >coffee-build, eat-your-data-alive packages on his computer BUT that if >he loses data it will be to a devel problem and not some cracker. > >Beating the hell out of him for using test versions isn't doing *ANYONE* >any good... reread his post on what he does to keep his data safe, how >he runs his systems, and how long he's been running beta OS releases, >and he *clearly* is doing this will full knowledge and acceptance of the >risks involved. > >Read the posts carefully. Argue intelligently and coherently. Or be >quiet. Not just Ricardo, either... there were a couple other "you're not >fit to run Rawhide" posts which were no more intelligent. > >Sheesh. > > > From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 26 05:20:58 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:20:58 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> Message-ID: <1098768057.19567.24.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 00:53, Gregory G Carter wrote: [snip] > Not something many would like to hear, but I think security in general > has not improved in computing because we have all of these not required > methods that make us THINK the code is safe (i.e. Oooo...the package is > digitally signed so its OK....), but in reality do not address the > primary issues of why executables are a risk....lack of source code. [snip] Interesting. How about this idea for a start. First, please note that I've added fedora-devel-list as I think this sub-thread, of sorts, is more on-topic for that list. Please send followups there. (Dang it! Why doesn't Evolution allow me to add custom headers?! Argh! Don't answer that...or if you do, please start a new thread. This one has morphed quite enough, already. :-)) How about this: 1) Build source package. 2) Sign source package. 3) Build binary package. 4) Embed SHA1 hash of signed source package in header of binary package. (Should be automatically built into the 'rpmbuild --rebuild' command and equivalents.) 5) Sign binary package. This would at least help ensure that a particular binary rpm did indeed come from a particular source package. As it stands, the SOURCERPM name is stored in the header, but that's not verification, it's only FYI type info that has no other src.rpm info in it (that I know of). Of course, with my luck, I'll find it write after hitting Send for this message. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Oct 26 09:27:54 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:27:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Message-ID: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the lack of signed RPMs for Fedora Core. "Red Hat has been made aware that emails are circulating that pretend to come from the Red Hat Security Team" [..] "All official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and should not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the signature is verified." -- http://www.redhat.com/security/ It's possibly that some of the people testing Fedora Core are connected to a network of machines that they'd rather not put at risk. It might also be possible that a user testing Fedora Core could even use the same password as another machine connected to that network. Perhaps some users of Fedora Core also have personal information stored on the machine which FC is installed on. I posted a bug. I got a reply, from Duke: "1. fedora core is not a product, it is a project. 2. releases from rawhide are not official." -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136461 What does the list think about signed RPMs - are they unnecessary for a community project, or are they useful? From ralph+fedora at strg-alt-entf.org Tue Oct 26 10:25:28 2004 From: ralph+fedora at strg-alt-entf.org (Ralph Angenendt) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:25:28 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> Message-ID: <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> nodata wrote: > A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the lack of > signed RPMs for Fedora Core. What do you mean? | [angenenr at localhorst packages]$rpm -K samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm | samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK Fedora Core RPMs (as livna.org RPMs and fedora.us RPMs and dag's RPMs and freshrpm's RPMs) *are* cryptographically signed. > "All official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and should > not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the signature is > verified." > -- http://www.redhat.com/security/ Look, it even says so in the advisory! > What does the list think about signed RPMs - are they unnecessary for a > community project, or are they useful? You're talking about rawhide? | [angenenr at localhorst tmp]$rpm -v -K zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm | zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm: | Header V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 | Header SHA1 digest: OK (4bd8d06387d5c7175b60bf200fb84a229d79b7d4) | MD5 digest: OK (16cc40302ebfd42dc2bc1d7f47cd7ded) | V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 Seems to be signed also. 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From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Oct 26 11:17:25 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:17:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> Message-ID: <43131.195.34.133.62.1098789445.squirrel@195.34.133.62> > nodata wrote: >> A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the lack >> of >> signed RPMs for Fedora Core. > > What do you mean? > > | [angenenr at localhorst packages]$rpm -K samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm > | samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK > > Fedora Core RPMs (as livna.org RPMs and fedora.us RPMs and dag's RPMs > and freshrpm's RPMs) *are* cryptographically signed. > >> "All official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and >> should >> not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the signature is >> verified." >> -- http://www.redhat.com/security/ > > Look, it even says so in the advisory! > >> What does the list think about signed RPMs - are they unnecessary for a >> community project, or are they useful? > > You're talking about rawhide? > > | [angenenr at localhorst tmp]$rpm -v -K zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm > | zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm: > | Header V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > | Header SHA1 digest: OK (4bd8d06387d5c7175b60bf200fb84a229d79b7d4) > | MD5 digest: OK (16cc40302ebfd42dc2bc1d7f47cd7ded) > | V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > > Seems to be signed also. > > Ralph > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Fedora Core test (rawhide) isn't signed. Why? From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Oct 26 11:17:54 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:17:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Message-ID: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> > nodata wrote: >> A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the lack >> of >> signed RPMs for Fedora Core. > > What do you mean? > > | [angenenr at localhorst packages]$rpm -K samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm > | samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK > > Fedora Core RPMs (as livna.org RPMs and fedora.us RPMs and dag's RPMs > and freshrpm's RPMs) *are* cryptographically signed. > >> "All official updates for Red Hat products are digitally signed and >> should >> not be installed unless they are correctly signed and the signature is >> verified." >> -- http://www.redhat.com/security/ > > Look, it even says so in the advisory! > >> What does the list think about signed RPMs - are they unnecessary for a >> community project, or are they useful? > > You're talking about rawhide? > > | [angenenr at localhorst tmp]$rpm -v -K zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm > | zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm: > | Header V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > | Header SHA1 digest: OK (4bd8d06387d5c7175b60bf200fb84a229d79b7d4) > | MD5 digest: OK (16cc40302ebfd42dc2bc1d7f47cd7ded) > | V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > > Seems to be signed also. > > Ralph > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Packages for Fedora Core test (rawhide) aren't always signed. Why? From vR at movingparts.net Tue Oct 26 11:21:24 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:21:24 -0400 Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) In-Reply-To: <417DBDEE.6080404@donut.dk> References: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <417BFEFD.5010009@linux.net.mk> <417DBDEE.6080404@donut.dk> Message-ID: <1098789685.5427.4.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 05:01 +0200, Cream[DONut] wrote: > Arangel Angov wrote: > > > Other than that? How is it holding? Any problems? > > On my IBM T40 laptop, its running very nice. > > I've had some problems, but they are mainly contributed to the NTFS > module in my rebuilt kernel (konqurer is often crashing during > operations with big files on the NTFS partition). > > i've spent 3 nights sofar customizing it, getting it to support suspend > to swap partition, setting up XFce to my needs. and generally playing > around with the system (i made a working booting kernel in only 2 > attempts ;) I realize that this isn't completely on-topic, but.... I have an IBM A31 laptop and have NEVER been successful in getting it to suspend to swap partition in fedora. Can you describe (PLEASE????) in detail what you've done and what you've used to get this to work? swsusp2? pmdisk? swsusp? using a stock fedora kernel RPM? rolled your own? Please detail this out so I can get this working too!!!! thanks!!! =:) -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From ralph+fedora at strg-alt-entf.org Tue Oct 26 11:32:53 2004 From: ralph+fedora at strg-alt-entf.org (Ralph Angenendt) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:32:53 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <43131.195.34.133.62.1098789445.squirrel@195.34.133.62> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> <43131.195.34.133.62.1098789445.squirrel@195.34.133.62> Message-ID: <20041026113253.GI29002@br-online.de> nodata wrote: > > | [angenenr at localhorst tmp]$rpm -v -K zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm > > | zsh-4.2.0-3.i386.rpm: > > | Header V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > > | Header SHA1 digest: OK (4bd8d06387d5c7175b60bf200fb84a229d79b7d4) > > | MD5 digest: OK (16cc40302ebfd42dc2bc1d7f47cd7ded) > > | V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > > > > Seems to be signed also. > > Fedora Core test (rawhide) isn't signed. > > Why? I just downloaded that zsh-RPM from the development-Tree. Ralph -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <63a30f4d041026050167267633@mail.gmail.com> Performing up2date --help gives me allways the following traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 1248, in ? sys.exit(main() or 0) File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 355, in main (options, pkgNames) = optparser.parse_args() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/optparse.py", line 1129, in parse_args stop = self._process_args(largs, rargs, values) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/optparse.py", line 1169, in _process_args self._process_long_opt(rargs, values) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/optparse.py", line 1244, in _process_long_opt option.process(opt, value, values, self) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/optparse.py", line 611, in process return self.take_action( File "/usr/lib/python2.3/optparse.py", line 632, in take_action parser.print_help() File "/usr/sbin/up2date", line 89, in print_help OptionParser.print_help(self, file) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/optparse.py", line 1370, in print_help file.write(self.format_help()) TypeError: descriptor 'write' requires a 'file' object but received a 'str' ,Folke From nbc at cisco.com Tue Oct 26 12:16:06 2004 From: nbc at cisco.com (Neil B. Cohen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:16:06 -0400 Subject: Strange printing problem In-Reply-To: <1098425584.12650.19.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> References: <41782AAC.2060705@ocsystems.com> <1098396015.12661.116.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> <417833B5.50105@ocsystems.com> <20041021192649.A3436@mail.harddata.com> <1098425584.12650.19.camel@rodolfo.paiz.org> Message-ID: <1098792967.9098.33.camel@nbc-linux.cisco.com> I am running FC3 - kernel 640 and up2date claims all my updates have been processed. When I run firefox and select print, or page setup - the program crashes and gives me a core file. I have FC3 installed on 2 machines - this happens on only one of them - but it is 100% reproducible. The machine which does NOT have the problem has no attached printer - I use a network printer at the office. At home, I have an HP PSC2175 attached - the printer works fine - I can print from the command line (lpr) without any problems - but Firefox does not seem to like it. I tried looking for a similar bug but I'm not an expert with bugzilla - did not find anything. So 2 questions: 1) Does anyone recognize this as an existing problem? If so, is there a fix or workaround? 2) I have a core file available - how do I report the problem? thanks nbc NAME: Neil B. Cohen (Cisco Systems Inc.) PHONE: 703-484-1316 DOMAIN: nbc at cisco.com ************************************************************* * Murphy's Philosophy: Smile - tomorrow will be worse... * * * * O'Tooles Commentary: Murphy was an optimist! * ************************************************************* From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 12:25:39 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> Message-ID: <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> nodata said: > A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the lack > of signed RPMs for Fedora Core. How? Would it make you feel better if the fake updates had installed a signature first? Or told you that you had to install a new key from the fake site? The ONLY thing that signatures tell you is that the RPM has been signed with a particular key, that's it. The only thing that was shown is that there are potentially people that will blindly follow directions from any random e-mail they recieve. (I leave to others to explain the difference between "Fedora Core" RPMs (that are signed) and "Rawhide" RPMs (which may or may not be signed).) -- William Hooper From folke.lemaitre at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 12:43:15 2004 From: folke.lemaitre at gmail.com (Folke Lemaitre) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:43:15 +0200 Subject: ntfs kernel module Message-ID: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> Why isn't the ntfs module built by default? Not very handy, having to get src rpms, building them configuring kernel sources and building ntfs module... ,Folke From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Oct 26 12:45:24 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:45:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> > How? Would it make you feel better if the fake updates had installed a > signature first? Or told you that you had to install a new key from the > fake site? The ONLY thing that signatures tell you is that the RPM has > been signed with a particular key, that's it. An rpm signed by Red Hat tells me that Red Hat signed it. No signature == no install. Many of the releases in Rawhide are not signed, why not? > The only thing that was shown is that there are potentially people that > will blindly follow directions from any random e-mail they recieve. > > (I leave to others to explain the difference between "Fedora Core" RPMs > (that are signed) and "Rawhide" RPMs (which may or may not be signed).) > > -- > William Hooper > > -- From gstool at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 12:57:45 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:57:45 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC1 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. Message-ID: <417E49C9.9080809@earthlink.net> I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 1. Printing to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a bug (#133064) that is assigned to the kernel. It seems to be dormant without attention. It will prevent anyone using a networked LPD print server from using FC3. Gerry Tool From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 13:01:49 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> Message-ID: <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> nodata said: >> How? Would it make you feel better if the fake updates had installed a >> signature first? Or told you that you had to install a new key from >> the fake site? The ONLY thing that signatures tell you is that the RPM >> has been signed with a particular key, that's it. > > An rpm signed by Red Hat tells me that Red Hat signed it. > No signature == no install. Have you read the fake e-mail? RPM was never mentioned. And again, if you are falling for an e-mail that has you run an arbitrary script, any key can be installed to look like a Red Hat key. > Many of the releases in Rawhide are not signed, why not? This has been discussed over and over, so look at the archives. Basically it boils down to the Rawhide RPMs being automatically generated when there isn't always someone around to sign them. Since the whole point of Rawhide is to get new bits out the door the choice is made not to hold them for a live body to sign them. -- William Hooper From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Oct 26 13:13:51 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:13:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> > > nodata said: >>> How? Would it make you feel better if the fake updates had installed a >>> signature first? Or told you that you had to install a new key from >>> the fake site? The ONLY thing that signatures tell you is that the RPM >>> has been signed with a particular key, that's it. >> >> An rpm signed by Red Hat tells me that Red Hat signed it. >> No signature == no install. > > Have you read the fake e-mail? RPM was never mentioned. And again, if > you are falling for an e-mail that has you run an arbitrary script, any > key can be installed to look like a Red Hat key. My original post: "A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the lack of signed RPMs for Rawhide" (prev: Fedora Core) As in: "Red Hat's recent commentary on this has made me check that all RPMs that Red Hat issues are really from Red Hat". >> Many of the releases in Rawhide are not signed, why not? > > This has been discussed over and over, so look at the archives. Basically > it boils down to the Rawhide RPMs being automatically generated when there > isn't always someone around to sign them. Since the whole point of > Rawhide is to get new bits out the door the choice is made not to hold > them for a live body to sign them. Then perhaps rawhide should be signed with a separate key that signs the packages without a live body. From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Tue Oct 26 13:24:18 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:24:18 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> Message-ID: <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:13 +0200, nodata wrote: > > This has been discussed over and over, so look at the archives. Basically > > it boils down to the Rawhide RPMs being automatically generated when there > > isn't always someone around to sign them. Since the whole point of > > Rawhide is to get new bits out the door the choice is made not to hold > > them for a live body to sign them. > > Then perhaps rawhide should be signed with a separate key that signs the > packages without a live body. > If this is done then it severely reduces the relevance of having them signed in the first place. My understanding is that, when a package is "signed" by redhat, a human steps up to the plate, does certain verifications, then puts in the pass phrase, and hey presto you have a signed package. Your suggestion automates the whole process, and drastically reduces the security model. Personally, I am 100% happy for the sandpit to continue to be unsigned, so long as test/released packages are signed, I am happy. To me, rawhide is only half a step away from CVS, should the CVS access (once made public) also have every thing GPG signed? Doug -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 13:24:46 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:24:46 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> References: <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> Message-ID: <20041026132446.GB7927@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:53:17PM -0500, Gregory G Carter wrote: > They still crack Windows with perfectly signed packages from Microsoft. > I do not see signatures as such a big deal, therefore as they have not > really impacted code security of Microsoft products. They've impacted it greatly in terms of things like windows updater. The mess would have been even worse without it. > In FACT, I do not see how signing binaries helps really in dealing with > secure code for end users. As an admin you set various directories as "only rpm/up2date" can install, or even set "nothing is executable unless rpm/up2date installed it" type policies in SELinux and turn on signature checking. That makes the keys valuable for the policy side of enforcement. The tools to do this exist now. > Signed by Microsoft and of course, Doesn't Mean Jack. The best a > signed package can do is tell you where it is from. But, it doesn't > make your code any less crackable or any more secure. No argument there. Alan From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Oct 26 13:38:35 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:38:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:13 +0200, nodata wrote: >> > This has been discussed over and over, so look at the archives. >> Basically >> > it boils down to the Rawhide RPMs being automatically generated when >> there >> > isn't always someone around to sign them. Since the whole point of >> > Rawhide is to get new bits out the door the choice is made not to hold >> > them for a live body to sign them. >> >> Then perhaps rawhide should be signed with a separate key that signs the >> packages without a live body. >> > If this is done then it severely reduces the relevance of having them > signed in the first place. > > My understanding is that, when a package is "signed" by redhat, a human > steps up to the plate, does certain verifications, then puts in the pass > phrase, and hey presto you have a signed package. > > Your suggestion automates the whole process, and drastically reduces the > security model. True, hence the suggestion for a separate key. Aside from the verifications carried out by the human (I'm not sure what these are), the signed package from Red Hat would have one important advantage over an unsigned package from Red Hat - that it really did pass through one of the Red Hat build servers. How can a Rawhide package perhaps downloaded from a _mirror_ be verified without a signature? Well maybe MD5sums could be used - they provide the verification that a file probably hasn't been tampered with, but without the authenticity of a key signed file. MD5sums are probably already available for Rawhide, but yum doesn't (AFAIK) verify these against MD5sums published by Red Hat on Red Hat's site. I think the core issue here is that yum users tracking Rawhide should have a way to verify that a package has come through Red Hat. The current mix of some-signed some-not packages leads to the constant suggestion on this list that gpg checking should be turned off. If yum could provide a lesser degree of verification, by verifying checksums instead of signatures, this wouldn't be a bad thing? > Personally, I am 100% happy for the sandpit to continue to be unsigned, > so long as test/released packages are signed, I am happy. > > To me, rawhide is only half a step away from CVS, should the CVS access > (once made public) also have every thing GPG signed? Perhaps :) > Doug > -- > Douglas Furlong > Systems Administrator > Firebox.com > T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From hmerrill123 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 13:44:00 2004 From: hmerrill123 at yahoo.com (Hardy Merrill) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FC3 final - upgrade(?) from FC3T3?? Message-ID: <20041026134400.91408.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> I now have FC3T3 - when FC3 final comes out, will I need to reinstall the whole thing, or will I just be able to change my yum.conf and do 'yum update'?? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From harald at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 13:46:53 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:46:53 +0200 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices In-Reply-To: <417DA89E.8090700@cox.net> References: <417DA89E.8090700@cox.net> Message-ID: <417E554D.20501@redhat.com> Bill Cronk wrote: > Bill Cronk wrote: > >>> I have read many of the udev messages in the archive and still have some >>> issues. >>> >>> Mainly I need to know how to easily add another device file into the >>> /dev directory since when booting the system will not automatically >>> setup the required /dev/md1 for the second RAID box I added on. >>> >>> >>> Bill >>> >> >> > Harald wrote: > >> http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html > > > > I greatly appreciate the response regarding the link which I have already read over. > > So if I sum together all the links I have read concerning udev and hotplug... no I still don't get it. > > Seems to me the goal is to have created an environment in Fedora where one could now boot a computer with a new device attached and have all system level parameters automatically setup. So in my case when I attach a second pre-built SCSI RAID box to the second SCSI port and then it goes through all the drive detection and SCSI setup, it should reach a point where udev, hotplug, and kudzu have all performed the required tasks of setting up the necessary support for the second RAID box. My second RAID box should be attached and accessible... So far it doesn't work!! > > Bill what is printed in /var/log/messages for your second RAID box? in rc.sysinit: /sbin/mdadm -A -s is run if /etc/mdadm.conf is present... From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 13:47:21 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 10:47:21 -0300 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 25, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Do you mean that RHEL does not have its owner Rawhide during beta > cycle ? I think that's a RHN repository, which certainly goes through more scrutiny. I may be wrong on this, I'm more of a Fedora-tracking person myself. >> It's just a dump of the latest >> builds of every package in the Red Hat build system > To be honest, I am not surprised :-) Why would you be? That's exactly what it has always been. Has anyone ever implied it to be anything different? > Signed rpm mean : You can verify the "origin" of the package. Yeah. If it's signed automatically, upon request from some random (or even specific) machine without interactive password authentication, it means the signature is not worth much. > pub 1024D/1CDDBCA9 2003-10-27 Fedora Project automated build signing key (2003) This signature is actually manual. One of the few people who control the keys has to be there to put it there. >> for being generated with a >> key not protected by a passphrase, stored on a box not exactly secure. > Sorry, but it's Red Hat/Fedora concern. > I am surprise to learn that Red Hat is not able to set up a secure box > only to automatically sign package. Nobody is. One could think it's secure, but as soon as there's a break in, security assumptions break down, and then, the safer the keys are, the better. > You can not say "signed rpm is not valuable" because "build server is > not secure". > Add to your TODO list : > - first : Secure build server > - second : Add an automated signature You're mixing things up here. It is (IIUC) sufficiently secure. Opening up a hole to enable automated signatures wouldn't make it any more secure; it would actually only reduce the value of such a signature. > Without signed rpm, *each* mirror can content a trojan ... > Each mirror should be secure. > With signed rpm, _only_ the build system should be secure. No disagreement here. Looks like what you want is something other than rawhide. You want something that has undergone manual signing. > AFAIK, all beta packages of RHEL are signed. So are all Fedora packages in Fedora Test releases. I suppose RHEL's equivalent of the Fedora Core Development tree, should it actually be a RHN channel as I believe it is, may be subject to RHN's requirements, which probably includes package signing. This means it's not latest-and-greatest, but rather latest-and-greatest-that-already-got-signed. > gpg is not a QA. gpg is "only" for security and authentication propose. And if it's signed with a key that's not protected with a passphrase, you're not supposed to trust the key anyway, so what is it worth? You certainly don't get any security or authentication from it. (ok, you get a tiny little bit, if you believe that *nobody* will *ever* be able to break into such an automatic signing machine you're talking about and steal the signing key from it. I'd rather trust a secure key.) > Do you mean that when package are "manually" signed they are carefully > checked ? No, just that the passphrase is (or should be) entered only on a box that's physically secure and doesn't accept incoming connections, which significantly reduces the possibility that someone would be able to break into it and obtain access to the signing key. And, even if they somehow do, there's a passphrase protecting it. I'll give you that it would be possible to have such a box hold the passphrase in a signing agent, and have an automated process that monitors the build system and goes off signing packages as they make it through it (i.e., without incoming notifications), but this means that the passphrase would be exposed for far longer than needed to sign specific packages, making the signing key less secure. Heck, even the signing key itself shouldn't be available except while signing packages. It should ideally be in removable media, only connected to the signing machine while signing packages. This all, of course, doesn't mean no attention has to be paid to the security of the box on which you sign packages. It just means keeping it as secure as possible isn't enough to ensure the key is safe. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From harald at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 13:53:33 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:53:33 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> Message-ID: <417E56DD.2070002@redhat.com> nodata wrote: > MD5sums are probably already available for Rawhide, but yum doesn't > (AFAIK) verify these against MD5sums published by Red Hat on Red Hat's > site. > An md5sum is integrated in the rpm itsselves... $ rpm -K udev-039-1.i386.rpm udev-039-1.i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 13:55:24 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 10:55:24 -0300 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> References: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, "nodata" wrote: > Packages for Fedora Core test (rawhide) aren't always signed. Packages in Fedora Core Test releases are signed. Packages in rawhide aren't necessarily signed, since someone has to be around to sign them, and, at the time the daily rawhide trees are composed, there generally isn't anyone around. There's another thread going on on this subject that has more details, if you're interested. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From tarjei.knapstad at predichem.com Tue Oct 26 14:01:23 2004 From: tarjei.knapstad at predichem.com (Tarjei Knapstad) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:01:23 +0200 Subject: FC3 final - upgrade(?) from FC3T3?? In-Reply-To: <20041026134400.91408.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041026134400.91408.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098799283.13348.53.camel@tarjei.predichem.nett> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:44, Hardy Merrill wrote: > I now have FC3T3 - when FC3 final comes out, will I > need to reinstall the whole thing, or will I just be > able to change my yum.conf and do 'yum update'?? > I guess the answer is "probably" :) FC3 final won't be very far off from FC3T3 AFAICT. Note though that upgrades to/from test releases are not supported in any way. The whole point of doing test releases is to have users try to install it from scratch if I'm not mistaken...? (OK, _almost_ the whole point :)) -- Tarjei From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 26 10:39:27 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:39:27 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> Message-ID: <1098787168.9304.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 12:25 +0200, Ralph Angenendt a ?crit : > nodata wrote: > > A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the lack of > > signed RPMs for Fedora Core. > > What do you mean? > > | [angenenr at localhorst packages]$rpm -K samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm > | samba-common-3.0.6-2.fc2.i386.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK > Only gtk2, gtk2-devel, fedora-release and rpmdb-fedora are not signed currently (because FC3 finale). Two weeks ago, there are 600 packages not signed (1 Go). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1098799283.13348.53.camel@tarjei.predichem.nett> References: <20041026134400.91408.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> <1098799283.13348.53.camel@tarjei.predichem.nett> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Tarjei Knapstad wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:44, Hardy Merrill wrote: > > I now have FC3T3 - when FC3 final comes out, will I > > need to reinstall the whole thing, or will I just be > > able to change my yum.conf and do 'yum update'?? > > > > I guess the answer is "probably" :) FC3 final won't be very far off from > FC3T3 AFAICT. > > Note though that upgrades to/from test releases are not supported > in any way. actually (and this has come up before), you should be able to upgrade from an official release *to* a test release, since that part is testing the eventual upgrade to the official release. i suspect the fedora architects always want to see *both* types of installation tested. rday From fedora at nodata.co.uk Tue Oct 26 14:10:13 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:10:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <417E56DD.2070002@redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <417E56DD.2070002@redhat.com> Message-ID: <34609.195.34.133.62.1098799813.squirrel@195.34.133.62> > nodata wrote: >> MD5sums are probably already available for Rawhide, but yum doesn't >> (AFAIK) verify these against MD5sums published by Red Hat on Red Hat's >> site. >> > > An md5sum is integrated in the rpm itsselves... > $ rpm -K udev-039-1.i386.rpm > udev-039-1.i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK An md5sum integrated into an rpm doesn't help here. I'll follow the other thread. Thanks. > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From reader at newsguy.com Tue Oct 26 12:41:11 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:41:11 -0500 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> (Gregory G. Carter's message of "Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:53:17 -0500") References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> Message-ID: Gregory G Carter writes: > They still crack Windows with perfectly signed packages from Microsoft. > I do not see signatures as such a big deal, therefore as they have not > really impacted code security of Microsoft products. > > In FACT, I do not see how signing binaries helps really in dealing with > secure code for end users. > > I get perfectly crackable code, with authentic Microsoft PGP keys in > every service pak update for Windows 2000 for example...and XP. You talk about crackable code. This thread is about already cracked code. You need a new thread for your new discussion, this one is about heading off the possibility of downloading already cracked code. Not whether that code is later crackable once installed. From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Tue Oct 26 14:26:07 2004 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:26:07 +0200 Subject: redhat-menus-1.13 not present in rawhide Message-ID: <1098800767.6039.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Apparently evolution-2.0.2-3 needs redhat-menus-1.13, but that package is not in the rawhide directory. Could someone please add it? I'd like to test the new evolution. Thanks Tino From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 26 11:48:25 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:48:25 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <43131.195.34.133.62.1098789445.squirrel@195.34.133.62> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> <43131.195.34.133.62.1098789445.squirrel@195.34.133.62> Message-ID: <1098791305.9304.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 13:17 +0200, nodata a ?crit : > Fedora Core test (rawhide) isn't signed. > > Why? > Or : RHEL beta is signed. Why ? I decide to not use mirrors for rawhide. /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-devel.repo [development] name=Fedora Core $releasever - Development Tree baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/$basearch/ enabled=1 Not as good as signed rpm. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> Message-ID: <1744.12.29.16.103.1098801311.squirrel@whooper.org> nodata said: [snip] > Aside from the verifications carried out by the human (I'm not sure what > these are), the signed package from Red Hat would have one important > advantage over an unsigned package from Red Hat - that it really did pass > through one of the Red Hat build servers. As the Fedora process opens up this distinction becomes less and less important. Who's to say the malicious person isn't a previously trusted contributor who has decided to work on a different project? Or, as others have pointed out, the build server itself has been cracked? -- William Hooper From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 26 14:38:23 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:38:23 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1744.12.29.16.103.1098801311.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <1744.12.29.16.103.1098801311.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1098801503.4979.2.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 10:35, William Hooper wrote: > nodata said: > [snip] > > Aside from the verifications carried out by the human (I'm not sure what > > these are), the signed package from Red Hat would have one important > > advantage over an unsigned package from Red Hat - that it really did pass > > through one of the Red Hat build servers. > > As the Fedora process opens up this distinction becomes less and less > important. Not to be pessimistic but what evidence do you have of the opening of the fedora process? -sv From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Tue Oct 26 12:41:07 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:41:07 -0200 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> Em Ter, 2004-10-26 ?s 10:43, Folke Lemaitre escreveu: > Why isn't the ntfs module built by default? > Not very handy, having to get src rpms, building them configuring > kernel sources and building ntfs module... Every distro has it, unless red hat ones. Maybe because they are the most 'suable' (a nice target for lawyers) of the american distros... From rshewan at lio.aacisd.com Tue Oct 26 14:02:59 2004 From: rshewan at lio.aacisd.com (Rob Shewan) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:02:59 -0400 Subject: missing dependency Message-ID: <417E5913.2030106@lio.aacisd.com> This may be premature, if so, I apologize. There is currently a missing dependency for evolution on the servers. The latest evolution requires redhat-menus-1.13. Currently 1.12-1 is on the servers. From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 26 14:46:04 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:46:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:13 +0200, nodata wrote: > > > > Then perhaps rawhide should be signed with a separate key that signs the > > packages without a live body. +1 > If this is done then it severely reduces the relevance of having them > signed in the first place. no it doesn't (see note below) > My understanding is that, when a package is "signed" by redhat, a human > steps up to the plate, does certain verifications, then puts in the pass > phrase, and hey presto you have a signed package. > > Your suggestion automates the whole process, and drastically reduces the > security model. It will be much better than the current model of no signatures. And 'rawhide-gpg-key' could mean 'rpm built on redhat-beehieve' - and nothing more. It shouldn't have to mean beehieve not hacked & 'rawhide-gpg-key' is not stolen. Also, I'm not sure how the human intervention guarantees that the key/passphrases arn't stolen. The only way I can think of is hardware-encryption (aka palladium?) where keys can never be copied/stolen (in which case passphrases are not necessary) And as a user - I should be able to query rpm db with: list all packages currently installed that are signed with the key 'rawhide-gpg-key' Satish From chrisw01 at privatei.com Tue Oct 26 14:48:56 2004 From: chrisw01 at privatei.com (Christopher A. Williams) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:48:56 -0600 Subject: Todays Yum Update Fails Dependencies (redhat-menus-1.13) Message-ID: <1098802137.28785.11.camel@spike-home.comcast.net> The error message below says it all (running yum -y update): --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: redhat-menus>= 1.13 for package: evolution --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: redhat-menus for pkg evolution I can't find redhat-menus-1.13 on any mirror. Version 1.12 is installed. Did it just get missed or are the mirrors still syncing up? Cheers, Chris -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein -- ====================== When the solution is simple, God is answering. -- Albert Einstein From mclasen at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 14:51:16 2004 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:51:16 -0400 Subject: libwmf In-Reply-To: <1098791331.7495.57.camel@sheol.homelinux.org> References: <20041024233037.GA28063@uniserve.com> <1098791331.7495.57.camel@sheol.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1098802275.4261.5.camel@golem.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 07:48, Caolan McNamara wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 19:30 -0400, wrote: > > Used to have /usr/bin/update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders > > /usr/bin/update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders belongs to gtk2. libwmf, librsvg2 and > the gimp just use it and have peer Requires of gtk2 to provide it. > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-June/msg00987.html > > a missing /usr/bin/update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders is odd if the fc3 gtk2 is > really installed. > > C. The current fc3 gtk2 package is 2.4.13-3, and it definitively has /usr/bin/update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders Matthias From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 26 14:54:13 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098791305.9304.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> <43131.195.34.133.62.1098789445.squirrel@195.34.133.62> <1098791305.9304.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3795.12.29.16.103.1098802453.squirrel@whooper.org> Matias F?liciano said: > Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 13:17 +0200, nodata a ??crit : > >> Fedora Core test (rawhide) isn't signed. >> >> >> Why? >> >> > > Or : > RHEL beta is signed. > Why ? You are beating a dead horse. A) Fedora Rawhide isn't RHEL. B) RHEL Betas move slowly (as an example, there have only been a perl update and an RPM update since the RHEL v4 Beta was released in September). C) RHEL Betas use RHN. D) Fedora Test releases (which are a better comparison to RHEL Beta releases) are signed. -- William Hooper From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 15:02:28 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:02:28 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> Message-ID: <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Ok, I'll take them one-by-one... On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 11:16 -0700, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > I do not like the layout and the icons. The icons are probably going to stay, and our UI guys don't really like the layout as much either (the centered wireless networks heading for example). So yes, this may change in the near future. > Also I like that with netapplet > I can quickly access my connection information and I am able to > configure my network settings if netdaemon wasn't able to do it for me. What connection information do you wish to configure? Do you use static IP addresses for any of your interfaces? The point of NetworkManager is that you shouldn't _have_ to configure anything. You don't have to configure the wireless networking AT ALL, since what you do is choose the wireless network from the menu. You don't go to the config tools and enter in your wireless information, _least_ of all your key since NetworkManager should store that key after the first use, and you should never have to enter it in again until it changes. There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument for having a configure item for those, however. > I also like that I have access to both my wired and wireless interfaces. How do you mean? When you only have a wired connection (no wireless card plugged in), the applet will hide itself (somewhat debatable, I think it should show all the time) since what can you do with your network? If you only have one network connection, that's what you're going to use. You don't need to be able to choose only one choice, since that's not a choice. If you have both wired _and_ wireless interfaces active at the same time, then they should both show up in the menu, and you can explicitly click on either a wired network ("Wired network" item), or you can click on any of the wireless networks that show up. There's really no point in making the "Wireless Networks" heading clickable, since you never "activate"/use a wireless device without connecting to a wireless network. Dan From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 26 14:58:53 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:58:53 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> Message-ID: <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 08:41, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em Ter, 2004-10-26 ?s 10:43, Folke Lemaitre escreveu: > > Why isn't the ntfs module built by default? > > Not very handy, having to get src rpms, building them configuring > > kernel sources and building ntfs module... > > Every distro has it, unless red hat ones. > > Maybe because they are the most 'suable' (a nice target for lawyers) of > the american distros... That probably about sums it up. Novell is probably in that category, too, now, but with their 400+ patents coupled with their new 'in your face' patent policy, it's maybe not as much a concern for them. I also vaguely recall some reference to the fact that NTFS didn't pass Red Hat's stress test for stability (i.e.: corruption type problems at high loads). Can anyone from Red Hat confirm? -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From royamitabha at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 15:14:33 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:14:33 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <77e74f3e04102608146d3f6c5b@mail.gmail.com> Dan: Has your patch to HAL appeared ? I dont see a new version on rawhide and moreover Build System did not report it on fedora-devel-list. Amitabha On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:02:28 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > Ok, I'll take them one-by-one... > > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 11:16 -0700, Nadeem Bitar wrote: > > I do not like the layout and the icons. > > The icons are probably going to stay, and our UI guys don't really like > the layout as much either (the centered wireless networks heading for > example). So yes, this may change in the near future. > > > Also I like that with netapplet > > I can quickly access my connection information and I am able to > > configure my network settings if netdaemon wasn't able to do it for me. > > What connection information do you wish to configure? Do you use static > IP addresses for any of your interfaces? The point of NetworkManager is > that you shouldn't _have_ to configure anything. You don't have to > configure the wireless networking AT ALL, since what you do is choose > the wireless network from the menu. You don't go to the config tools > and enter in your wireless information, _least_ of all your key since > NetworkManager should store that key after the first use, and you should > never have to enter it in again until it changes. > > There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that > launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a > card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it > that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for > it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument > for having a configure item for those, however. > > > I also like that I have access to both my wired and wireless interfaces. > > How do you mean? When you only have a wired connection (no wireless > card plugged in), the applet will hide itself (somewhat debatable, I > think it should show all the time) since what can you do with your > network? If you only have one network connection, that's what you're > going to use. You don't need to be able to choose only one choice, > since that's not a choice. > > If you have both wired _and_ wireless interfaces active at the same > time, then they should both show up in the menu, and you can explicitly > click on either a wired network ("Wired network" item), or you can click > on any of the wireless networks that show up. There's really no point > in making the "Wireless Networks" heading clickable, since you never > "activate"/use a wireless device without connecting to a wireless > network. > > > > Dan > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Tue Oct 26 14:35:52 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:35:52 -0200 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Em Ter, 2004-10-26 ?s 12:58, Paul Iadonisi escreveu: > That probably about sums it up. Novell is probably in that category, > too, now, but with their 400+ patents coupled with their new 'in your > face' patent policy, it's maybe not as much a concern for them. > I also vaguely recall some reference to the fact that NTFS didn't pass > Red Hat's stress test for stability (i.e.: corruption type problems at > high loads). Can anyone from Red Hat confirm? The ntfs module used in other distributions is mainly read-only... how can this corrupt a file system? From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 15:36:04 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: redhat-menus-1.13 not present in rawhide In-Reply-To: <1098800767.6039.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098800767.6039.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Tino Meinen wrote: > Apparently evolution-2.0.2-3 needs redhat-menus-1.13, but that package > is not in the rawhide directory. Could someone please add it? I'd like > to test the new evolution. My bad, fixed for tomorrow's rawhide. -- Elliot From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Tue Oct 26 15:43:46 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:43:46 -0400 Subject: mount/umount cdrom all screwed up Message-ID: All latest rawhide. Standard cd/rw on parallel ide. /etc/fstab says: /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder iso9660,udf \ pamconsole,ro,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 Put data cd in drive. drive spins. mount shows nothing mounted. Now: > mount /media/cdrecorder/ > df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-lvol0 69158400 24728008 40917256 38% / /dev/sda1 489992 34892 429800 8% /boot none 517584 0 517584 0% /dev/shm /disk1/nbecker 69158400 24728008 40917256 38% /home/nbecker /dev/hdc 191010 191010 0 100% /media/cdrecorder OK, > umount /media/cdrecorder/ [ no complaint ] >mount /media/cdrecorder/ mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrecorder busy > umount /media/cdrecorder/ umount: /media/cdrecorder is not mounted (according to mtab) Can we say, WTF? From dcbw at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 15:52:59 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:52:59 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04102608146d3f6c5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <77e74f3e04102608146d3f6c5b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098805979.3663.13.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:14 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Has your patch to HAL appeared ? David integrated the patch and will push out the RPM build today, he's tracking down a bug non-PCMCIA related. Dan From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 26 15:52:27 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:52:27 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: <1098805947.27707.22.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 10:35, Alexandre Strube wrote: [snip] > The ntfs module used in other distributions is mainly read-only... how > can this corrupt a file system? As wild as it sounds, it has happened. Even to me, once, but thankfully on a system that didn't matter. It was long enough ago that it wasn't even in the kernel, but some user mode nfts tools that I don't remember much about. But I bring it up only to give an example of a situation where 'read-only' wasn't entirely 'read-only'. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 26 12:54:44 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:54:44 +0200 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098795284.11444.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 14:43 +0200, Folke Lemaitre a ?crit : > Why isn't the ntfs module built by default? Potential patent problem. http://www.fedorafaq.org/#ntfs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From kms at passback.co.uk Tue Oct 26 16:24:02 2004 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:24:02 +0100 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098807842.32130.8.camel@animal> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that > launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a > card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it > that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for > it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument > for having a configure item for those, however. This is a (relatively) common use case for me. I often need to connect my laptop to ad-hoc networks which do not have DHCP, hence I need to configure a static address, and static routes. Currently I do this through the command-line, but it would be nice to do it using the GUI. I understand that I am in a very small minority here, but this would be useful for people in a Field Engineer type role. Thanks, Keith. From balay at fastmail.fm Tue Oct 26 16:31:35 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: FC3 RC1 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <417E49C9.9080809@earthlink.net> References: <417E49C9.9080809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Gerry Tool wrote: > I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 1. Printing to a > networked LPD server still will not work. This is a bug (#133064) that is > assigned to the kernel. > > It seems to be dormant without attention. It will prevent anyone using a > networked LPD print server from using FC3. Not exactly what you are trying to do - but I briefly tried using LPRng's 'lpr' to print directly via the remote lpd - and it works. lpr -Pprinter at remotemachine ~/.bashrc I prefer LPRng as: - I don't need to configure local cupsd/lpd - I can tunnel print commands easily through ssh/portforwarding. Satish From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 26 16:45:30 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:45:30 +0000 Subject: Netapplet Message-ID: Hi, > This is a (relatively) common use case for me. I often need to connect > my laptop to ad-hoc networks which do not have DHCP, hence I need to > configure a static address, and static routes. Currently I do this > through the command-line, but it would be nice to do it using the GUI. > As an overall that goes for the wired network too. Something called NetworkManager should handle location/profile managment as well. If the wired network is selected (or is the only interface), then your choice of wired network profiles should show up, with a "New..." option at the end. There's a whole lot use cases there, but that should demonstrate. > I understand that I am in a very small minority here, but this would be > useful for people in a Field Engineer type role. > I am in that same minority !! Thanks, Andrew From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 16:46:39 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:46:39 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <20041026164639.GA10153@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:58:53AM -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > I also vaguely recall some reference to the fact that NTFS didn't pass > Red Hat's stress test for stability (i.e.: corruption type problems at > high loads). Can anyone from Red Hat confirm? Older NTFS code certainly ate your machine but the code in the kernel today is much much different so any old testing is fairly invalid. From mpleite at ppl-ti.com Tue Oct 26 16:56:04 2004 From: mpleite at ppl-ti.com (Miguel Pereira Leite) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:56:04 +0100 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098807842.32130.8.camel@animal> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098807842.32130.8.camel@animal> Message-ID: <1098809764.17695.19.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> "very small minority" +1 I often go to clients and need to connect to the LAN. Some of them don't have a DHCP server, so i must manualy configure the nic. The GUI feature would be nice. Tnks, and keep up the good work. mpleite Ter, 2004-10-26 ?s 17:24 +0100, Keith Sharp escreveu: > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that > > launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a > > card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it > > that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for > > it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument > > for having a configure item for those, however. > > This is a (relatively) common use case for me. I often need to connect > my laptop to ad-hoc networks which do not have DHCP, hence I need to > configure a static address, and static routes. Currently I do this > through the command-line, but it would be nice to do it using the GUI. > > I understand that I am in a very small minority here, but this would be > useful for people in a Field Engineer type role. > > Thanks, > > Keith. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Esta ? uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente URL: From justin.conover at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 17:26:41 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:26:41 -0500 Subject: FC3rc1 disk one small In-Reply-To: <20041026044848.GC17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <200410251039.29158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <200410252110.53374.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20041026044848.GC17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: I just recommend using "wget" wget -c url-to-iso downloading large files (iso) from a browser doesn't work all that great. On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:48:48 -0700, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:10:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > However, to be honest about it, the http fetching is not working all > > that well. I have now downloaded the rescue and srcs disks several > > times because they fail the md5sum testing on the first pass. > > > > Is there a way to use an ftp client, specifically gftp to fetch this > > stuff? I can connect, but testing.fedora.redhat.com closes the > > connection in just a second or so. > > You can use lftp to connect via http. (And if you're not having luck > with testing.fedora.redhat.com, try the Duke mirror. See the original > announcement for the URL.) > > > It (ftp) seems to be a much more robust protocol, it can restart from > > the failure point etc, whereas any mistake in the http method > > requires a full overwrite in order to restore, at least while using > > Mozilla). > > HTTP also supports resuming from wherever the connection got cut off, > and lftp can do that with HTTP. > > -Barry K. Nathan > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From ngierman at roadrunn.com Tue Oct 26 17:57:45 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:57:45 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <20041022194957.CBFAB5013D@pl6500.roadrunn.com> Message-ID: <20041026175414.1BDEA23ACD@pl6500.roadrunn.com> I just updated to kernel 2.6.9-1.643 and still same issue. I was going to file a bug and noticed the same issue already reported with RH9. I added a comment to that bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=113462 and am waiting to see if they want me to start a new bug or just append to the current. > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Neil Gierman > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 14:52 > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > Just updated to udev-039-6 with same symptoms. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > Neil Gierman > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 13:21 > > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > I am at udev-039-3 :( > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > > Dan Williams > > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 12:10 > > > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > Update to udev-0.39-3 or later. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:33 +0000, Andrew wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad > > > to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could > > live with it > > > not working during boot. For the record are you running > 2.6.9-1.640? > > > > > > > > With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is > > > complete, it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 > to 4 times > > > before getting loaded. You should also see in your > > messages log that > > > the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being removed by > udev, for each > > > failed firmware load. > > > > > > > > My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs > > > interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it > > needs to > > > cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp actually > > happens. > > > Whether or not anything like udev is involved in that race > > condition, > > > I don't know, b/c I've not researched it enough to find > out --- yet. > > > > > > > > I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about > > > the hotplug > > > > environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my bz > > > entry for hal > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) > > > > > > > > If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will > > > keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? > > > > > > > > Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 > > > show the right MAC? > > > > > > > > Thanks & good luck. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > > > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > > > > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new > > > behavior with > > > > > my Netgear WG511. > > > > > > > > > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because > > > eth1 (the > > > > > prism54) was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then > > the module > > > > > would load and insert into my wireless network without > > > any action from me. > > > > > > > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains > > about not > > > > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in > the correct > > > > > place according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As > > soon as get a > > > > > shell I rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads > > > and is able > > > > > to upload the firmware just fine (which I have now added > > > the rmmod > > > > > and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and > > still gain > > > > > access after reboot). I updated all packages (including > > > kernel) that > > > > > were available from yum and the same symptoms are there. > > > I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > > > > > > > dmesg: > > > > > > > > > > ....... > > > > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > > > > > dm at uk.sistina.com > > > > > cdrom: open failed. > > > > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > > > > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > > > > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > > > > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > > > > > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > > > > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 > > 0x370-0x377 > > > > > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > > > > > i2c /dev entries driver > > > > > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- > > > End of boot > > > > > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- > rmmod prism54 > > > > > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 Unloaded prism54 > > driver Loaded > > > > > prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- > > > modprobe > > > > > prism54 > > > > > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, > > > low) -> IRQ 11 > > > > > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > > > > > lspci: > > > > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host > > > > > bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > > > > 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > > > > > 03) > > > > > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > > > > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev > > > 03) 00:07.0 > > > > > Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > > > > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > > IDE (rev 01) > > > > > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > > USB (rev 01) > > > > > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) > > > > > 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology > > > ES1978 Maestro > > > > > 2E (rev > > > > > 10) > > > > > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 > > [Ethernet Pro > > > > > 100] (rev > > > > > 09) > > > > > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent > > > > > Microelectronics) LT WinModem 01:00.0 VGA compatible > > > controller: ATI > > > > > Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) > > > 06:00.0 Network > > > > > controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 > > [Prism GT/Prism > > > > > Duette] (rev 01) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 18:12:58 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > I also vaguely recall some reference to the fact that NTFS didn't pass > Red Hat's stress test for stability (i.e.: corruption type problems at > high loads). Can anyone from Red Hat confirm? The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, always changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an ideological issue and not a technical or legal one. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65749 -Dan From davej at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 18:19:36 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:19:36 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <20041026181935.GB21197@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:12:58AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > I also vaguely recall some reference to the fact that NTFS didn't pass > > Red Hat's stress test for stability (i.e.: corruption type problems at > > high loads). Can anyone from Red Hat confirm? > > The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, always > changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an ideological > issue and not a technical or legal one. > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65749 always changing ? The bug you reference contains _one_ 'excuse'. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional Comment #3 From Arjan van de Ven (arjanv at redhat.com) on 2002-08-16 14:38 Private Comment oh believe me I would LOVE to enable ntfs... but it must be legally possible / sensible to do so ;( ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The same reason then applies today, so our position hasn't changed since at least 2002-08-16. Maybe earlier bugs that were filed did have other excuses (I really don't care, so don't bother looking), but the fact remains there is legal uncertainty surrounding us shipping this module. Dave From vR at movingparts.net Tue Oct 26 18:21:47 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:21:47 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098814907.23459.20.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: [snip] > > I also like that I have access to both my wired and wireless interfaces. > > How do you mean? When you only have a wired connection (no wireless > card plugged in), the applet will hide itself (somewhat debatable, I > think it should show all the time) [snip] Can you PLEASE make the applet always show up? Please, Please? Also, I'm not sure I understand how NetworkManagerInfo is supposed to work.... I have a wireless LAN at home, where I have chosen to not broadcast the SID, AND I have WEP turned on. I started the NetworkManager service, and started NetworkManagerInfo. It was unable to find or associate to the SID, of course. So I selected "Other wireless networks..." from the menu, and was able to put my SID in, but that's as far as I got. NetworkManagerInfo came back with an error of some sort. I'm assuming that it was trying to associate to the AP, but since it didn't have any information for the WEP key, it wasn't able to. Am I doing something wrong? I did read the docs that came with NetworkManager and didn't find anything related to WEP. It would seem to make sense to me that the popup for "put your ESSID in here" should also include information like alternative channels, rate, and WEP key, shouldn't it? I agree that it should only ask for this once, but it should ask for it once, shouldn't it? TIA! -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 18:22:20 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098795284.11444.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ?? 14:43 +0200, Folke Lemaitre a ??crit : > > Why isn't the ntfs module built by default? > Potential patent problem. Which patent number please? I asked redhat employees several years ago and got no response. I'd love to know. > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#ntfs Of course, rdesktop and samba are bundled in fedora, both of which have _known_ patent problems. -Dan From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 18:27:42 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <20041026181935.GB21197@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:12:58AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > > I also vaguely recall some reference to the fact that NTFS didn't pass > > > Red Hat's stress test for stability (i.e.: corruption type problems at > > > high loads). Can anyone from Red Hat confirm? > > The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, always > > changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an ideological > > issue and not a technical or legal one. > > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65749 > always changing ? The bug you reference contains _one_ 'excuse'. It changed from 'oh it corrupts data' to 'oh its legal issues' to 'oh that version of redhat is no longer supported' If its a patent problem please provide the patent #. Or provide contact information for the redhat lawyer who made this determination. Surely if there were a patent problem then ntfs wouldnt be included in the stock kernel? Or is linus mistaken? -Dan From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 18:28:18 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> References: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, nodata wrote: > Packages for Fedora Core test (rawhide) aren't always signed. > > Why? If you can come up with a script to sign .rpm's without typing in a password, I'll be happy to look at it. -- Elliot "It ain't possible with the current rpm" Lee From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 18:50:02 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:50:02 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <20041026181935.GB21197@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041026185002.GA20008@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:27:42AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > Surely if there were a patent problem then ntfs wouldnt be included in > the stock kernel? Or is linus mistaken? Each company makes its own calls having evaulated patent claims and done searches. From lumiere2002 at free.fr Tue Oct 26 21:01:51 2004 From: lumiere2002 at free.fr (patrick) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:01:51 +0200 Subject: Power down not working In-Reply-To: <20041026160036.AC429737FB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041026160036.AC429737FB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <417EBB3F.2020902@free.fr> FC3 RC1 doesn't shutdown my computer. It is working with FC1 on another partition. I think I have a pretty common hardware Here is the details: Elite K7S5A + Athlon XP 2000 + 2 Seagate IDE HD acpid is working before shutdown: root 2007 1 0 20:48 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/smartd root 2017 1 0 20:48 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/acpid Last message when shuting down: umounting filesystems [OK] halting system ... md: Stoping All md devices md: md0 still in use Shutdown: hdb Shutdown: hda Power down acpi_power_off called The FC3 was installed with RAID and LVM activated (choose RAID in anaconda install, RAID partition then assign it to a LVM volume which contains / and swap). The boot partition is not configured in RAID (hdb1) Is this due to the partition configuration ? From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 26 19:05:15 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:05:15 +0000 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot Message-ID: Hi, I just looked at that bug myself and then double checked the network startup script. Comment #2 shows the catch 22 you're in. Hotplug must not be enabled "unilaterally", but the Prism54 cards cannot load their firmware without hotplug support. So... somebody's out of luck. Maybe a RFE for FC4 would be to allow hotplug to be active while the network is being brought up when entering runlevel 3 or 5 -- or at least on a per interface basis. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 05:57 PM > To: ''For testers of Fedora Core development releases'' > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > I just updated to kernel 2.6.9-1.643 and still same issue. I was going to > file a bug and noticed the same issue already reported with RH9. I added a > comment to that bug > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=113462 and am waiting > to see if they want me to start a new bug or just append to the current. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Neil Gierman > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 14:52 > > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > Just updated to udev-039-6 with same symptoms. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > > Neil Gierman > > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 13:21 > > > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > > > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > I am at udev-039-3 :( > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > > > Dan Williams > > > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 12:10 > > > > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > > > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > > > Update to udev-0.39-3 or later. > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:33 +0000, Andrew wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad > > > > to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could > > > live with it > > > > not working during boot. For the record are you running > > 2.6.9-1.640? > > > > > > > > > > With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is > > > > complete, it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 > > to 4 times > > > > before getting loaded. You should also see in your > > > messages log that > > > > the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being removed by > > udev, for each > > > > failed firmware load. > > > > > > > > > > My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs > > > > interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it > > > needs to > > > > cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp actually > > > happens. > > > > Whether or not anything like udev is involved in that race > > > condition, > > > > I don't know, b/c I've not researched it enough to find > > out --- yet. > > > > > > > > > > I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about > > > > the hotplug > > > > > environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my bz > > > > entry for hal > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) > > > > > > > > > > If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will > > > > keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? > > > > > > > > > > Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 > > > > show the right MAC? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & good luck. > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > > > > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > > > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > > > > > > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new > > > > behavior with > > > > > > my Netgear WG511. > > > > > > > > > > > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because > > > > eth1 (the > > > > > > prism54) was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then > > > the module > > > > > > would load and insert into my wireless network without > > > > any action from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains > > > about not > > > > > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in > > the correct > > > > > > place according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As > > > soon as get a > > > > > > shell I rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads > > > > and is able > > > > > > to upload the firmware just fine (which I have now added > > > > the rmmod > > > > > > and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and > > > still gain > > > > > > access after reboot). I updated all packages (including > > > > kernel) that > > > > > > were available from yum and the same symptoms are there. > > > > I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > > > > > > > > > dmesg: > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > > > > > > dm at uk.sistina.com > > > > > > cdrom: open failed. > > > > > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > > > > > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > > > > > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > > > > > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > > > > > > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > > > > > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 > > > 0x370-0x377 > > > > > > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > > > > > > i2c /dev entries driver > > > > > > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- > > > > End of boot > > > > > > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- > > rmmod prism54 > > > > > > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 Unloaded prism54 > > > driver Loaded > > > > > > prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- > > > > modprobe > > > > > > prism54 > > > > > > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, > > > > low) -> IRQ 11 > > > > > > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > > > > > > > lspci: > > > > > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host > > > > > > bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > > > > > 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > > > > > > 03) > > > > > > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > > > > > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev > > > > 03) 00:07.0 > > > > > > Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > > > > > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > > > IDE (rev 01) > > > > > > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > > > USB (rev 01) > > > > > > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) > > > > > > 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology > > > > ES1978 Maestro > > > > > > 2E (rev > > > > > > 10) > > > > > > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 > > > [Ethernet Pro > > > > > > 100] (rev > > > > > > 09) > > > > > > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent > > > > > > Microelectronics) LT WinModem 01:00.0 VGA compatible > > > > controller: ATI > > > > > > Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) > > > > 06:00.0 Network > > > > > > controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 > > > [Prism GT/Prism > > > > > > Duette] (rev 01) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 19:33:43 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <20041026185002.GA20008@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:27:42AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > > Surely if there were a patent problem then ntfs wouldnt be included in > > the stock kernel? Or is linus mistaken? > Each company makes its own calls having evaulated patent claims and done > searches. Please forward me the contact information for the redhat legal counsel who determined ntfs-readonly is patent encumbered while samba and rdesktop are not. I asked this exact question more than two years ago and have yet to get a response. -Dan From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 26 19:39:47 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:39:47 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098819586.27707.45.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 14:22, Dan Hollis wrote: > Of course, rdesktop and samba are bundled in fedora, both of which have > _known_ patent problems. Patent numbers please. Wait. Nevermind. I really don't care. *sigh* Here we go again. Red Hat won't ship MySQL 4.x, NTFS, MP3 codecs, and GIF, for idealogical reasons and nothing else. Red Hat 'cripples' KDE because they're in love with GNOME and want to make KDE look bad. Red Hat sucks. Red Hat is the Microsoft of Linux. People: There are plenty of real problems to identify and squash. We don't need imaginary ones. If you don't like the legal, pragmatic, strategic or otherwise decisions Red Hat makes, then find another distribution. You've been given a reason for NTFS not being built (patent problems). No one at Red Hat is obliged to give you a patent number to convince you. Either believe it and move on, or don't and sulk. If Red Hat employees have time to chase down their legal team and ask so they can give you an answer and update fedorafaq.org, then fine. But I wouldn't hold my breath. > Of course, rdesktop and samba are bundled in fedora, both of which > have > _known_ patent problems. Every situation is unique. Perhaps the samba and rdesktop developers have strategically worked around the problems or mitigated the problems significantly. Or perhaps there's been precendence in the NTFS case, but not the samba or rdesktop cases. Whatever. Citing these to inclusions have near zero relevance to NTFS. IANAL. YANAL. So neither of us can really do a reliable analysis of the situation. I'm not trying to silence mentioning of things like this, but since questions like this get asked a lot and then the accusations begin to fly, I'm asking that people take a different approach rather than endless threads-from-hell. Try just asking if the situation has changed and if no one knows, if someone at Red Hat would be willing to spend a little time hunting down an answer. If the answer is 'no, none of us has time,' then accept it and move on. If you expect more, your potentially asking someone at Red Hat to put his job at risk by going against what Legal has recommended. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 26 19:49:45 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:49:45 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098820185.27707.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:33, Dan Hollis wrote: [snip] > Please forward me the contact information for the redhat legal counsel who > determined ntfs-readonly is patent encumbered while samba and rdesktop are > not. If it really matters to you that much, how about spending sixty seconds on http://www.redhat.com/ to find it like I did: Red Hat Legal Affairs 1801 Varsity Drive Raleigh, NC 27606 And although I didn't find it this time, I think the email is legal at redhat.com from past references I've seen. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 20:19:30 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098820185.27707.54.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: Actually a bit of googling came up with the answer: redhat doesn't know (as of march 27, 2003) if ntfs is patent encumbered or not. -Dan From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 20:42:44 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 17:42:44 -0300 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, "nodata" wrote: > Aside from the verifications carried out by the human (I'm not sure what > these are), the signed package from Red Hat would have one important > advantage over an unsigned package from Red Hat - that it really did pass > through one of the Red Hat build servers. No. It would only prove that the package passed through a box that had the signing key. The more machines have access to such key, and the more entry points such machines have, the more likely it is that someone could abuse the keys to signing packages that didn't go through the build servers, and the more likely it becomes that the key leaks and starts being used for malicious purposes. Sure enough, in a perfect world, this shouldn't happen, but the world we live in is far from that, so it's only reasonable to take care to avoid leaks, and to avoid getting packages signed that didn't go through the build system. > I think the core issue here is that yum users tracking Rawhide should have > a way to verify that a package has come through Red Hat. Just don't let yum install packages that aren't signed. How about you start a rawhide mirror with the following properties: if a package is not signed, it won't be in your mirror; you'll keep the previous version of such package instead. An alternative is to script a yum wrapper that, when encountering an unsigned package, automatically excludes that and retries, until you get only signed packages installed. Heck, wouldn't it be way so cool if yum could do it all by itself? It's unlikely that signed packages will have dependencies on unsigned packages, because of the way signing is done, so odds are that, given daily rawhide pushes, you'd be able to move forward quite regularly. > If yum could provide a lesser degree of verification, by verifying > checksums instead of signatures, this wouldn't be a bad thing? Err... Doesn't it? up2date does, and so does rpm. >> To me, rawhide is only half a step away from CVS, should the CVS access >> (once made public) also have every thing GPG signed? > Perhaps :) monotone! -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From michal at harddata.com Tue Oct 26 19:41:34 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:41:34 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC1 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: ; from balay@fastmail.fm on Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:31:35AM -0500 References: <417E49C9.9080809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20041026134134.A13973@mail.harddata.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:31:35AM -0500, Satish Balay wrote: > > I prefer LPRng as: > - I don't need to configure local cupsd/lpd > - I can tunnel print commands easily through ssh/portforwarding. 'cups' has a serious show-stopper "feature", on the top of various more or less serious annoyances, if you have an installation with really remote printers and many users. Once a job left the originating machine its status is 'done' and 'lpq' will not tell you more about its status, nor a job identifier on a remote, and 'lprm' will not remove it even if it is going to sit in queue for the next two weeks. Your "Print Manager" will just show you a happy picture. Samba is affected too. That is something which never was a problem for lpr/LPRng. Findinig 'root' for a print server and asking him/her to do a job removal for us is not a real option although it seems to be proffered for example here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.printing.cups.general/1989 If you want to cancel a job which is on the server, you must do it on the server and you must use the server's job id: cancel -h SERVER SERVER'S_JOB_ID If I am misinterpreting what this is saying, and I can really do that from the originating machine ("SERVER" may not have a shell login at all), then at least GUI interface for print jobs management is buggy because it is not doing that for me; but in any case why I should worry about what is "SERVER" and how a remote queue happen to be called in the given moment? Apparently I need the last piece of that puzzle for 'lpstat'. This may be changing outside of my control and after all I submitted a print job to a local queue. Checking possiblity that I do not understand and I should really use these commands from a submitting account I tried, proposed in the quoted message from comp.printing.cups.general, lpstat -h SERVER -o QUEUE (with names for "SERVER" and "QUEUE" I happen to know). I only got back: "lpstat: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused." Just lovely! 'cancel -h ...' as above, after I checked that job id on a server, responded with "Uknown destination". Yes, I can print. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90619 ellicited only a comment that apparently this is how this is "supposed" to be. Ugh! Michal From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 20:44:32 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 17:44:32 -0300 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, nodata wrote: >> Packages for Fedora Core test (rawhide) aren't always signed. >> >> Why? > If you can come up with a script to sign .rpm's without typing in a > password, I'll be happy to look at it. That's easy. AFAIK, you could just have a signing key without a passphrase, or have the passphrase encoded in plain text in an expect script that runs rpm --resign. But would you really want to do that? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From steve_dum at mentorg.com Tue Oct 26 20:46:23 2004 From: steve_dum at mentorg.com (steve_dum at mentorg.com) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:23 -0700 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:27:42 PDT." Message-ID: <200410262046.i9QKkNOm017762@drdoom.wv.mentorg.com> In message you write : >On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Dave Jones wrote: ... >> > > I also vaguely recall some reference to the fact that NTFS didn'= >t pass >> > > Red Hat's stress test for stability (i.e.: corruption type problem= >s at >> > > high loads). Can anyone from Red Hat confirm? >> > The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, always >> > changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an ideological >> > issue and not a technical or legal one. >> > http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65749 >> always changing ? The bug you reference contains _one_ 'excuse'. > >It changed from 'oh it corrupts data' to 'oh its legal issues' to 'oh that >version of redhat is no longer supported' Even better, bug id 135741 submitted against Fedora Core is closed as a duplicate of 65794 (they really meant 65749) and bug 64549 is closed as 'that version of redhat is not longer supported'. So there is no current open bug against this issue. None of the bugs have been rejected for technical reasons. Well ok, given this loop they all have been rejected because of technicalities. steve > >If its a patent problem please provide the patent #. Or provide contact >information for the redhat lawyer who made this determination. > >Surely if there were a patent problem then ntfs wouldnt be included in >the stock kernel? Or is linus mistaken? > >-Dan > > > From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 20:47:02 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 17:47:02 -0300 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, Alexandre Strube wrote: > The ntfs module used in other distributions is mainly read-only... how > can this corrupt a file system? All it takes is a bit of incorrect memory management in the kernel. As soon as you corrupt kernel data structures, all bets are off. Say, double-free of a pointer to an ntfs read-only buffer could corrupt whatever data structure that buffer was being reused for after the first free. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 20:52:25 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > The ntfs module used in other distributions is mainly read-only... how > > can this corrupt a file system? > All it takes is a bit of incorrect memory management in the kernel. > As soon as you corrupt kernel data structures, all bets are off. Say, > double-free of a pointer to an ntfs read-only buffer could corrupt > whatever data structure that buffer was being reused for after the > first free. afaik ntfs-readonly no longer has any memory corruption issues. indeed the bugzilla entries indicate corruption is no longer an issue. -Dan From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Oct 26 20:53:47 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > > The ntfs module used in other distributions is mainly read-only... how > > can this corrupt a file system? > > All it takes is a bit of incorrect memory management in the kernel. > As soon as you corrupt kernel data structures, all bets are off. Say, > double-free of a pointer to an ntfs read-only buffer could corrupt > whatever data structure that buffer was being reused for after the > first free. i've always wondered about this -- i still don't see how that could corrupt the NTFS structure *on* *disk*. sure, it's entirely possible that the cached NTFS info in RAM might get screwed, you might lose the ability to *read* files from the hard drive. but i don't see how that equates to actually *damaging* the contents on the hard drive. if i mount a filesystem read-only, i expect it never to be altered. doesn't NTFS use the same VFS layer as everyone else? shouldn't "readonly" mounting be respected by that layer? rday From seyman at wanadoo.fr Tue Oct 26 21:16:03 2004 From: seyman at wanadoo.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:16:03 +0200 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <1098795284.11444.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041026211603.GA7614@orient.maison.moi> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:22:20AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > Potential patent problem. > > Which patent number please? I asked redhat employees several years ago and > got no response. I'd love to know. If you had read Matias' response, you would have noticed the word 'potential'. There doesn't actually need to be a known patent problem, only the threat of one. The one thing that SCO has proved with its case against IBM is that any company can make a bullshit claim against a Linux vendor and then make them rack up legal fees for 18+ months. While IBM has the amount of money to do this (and squash SCO like a bug when they're finished), I'm not sure Red Hat does. Even if they did, I'm pretty confident that nobody here wishes Red Hat to be sued for violating patents. So they avoid the issue by not shipping the ntfs module. Feel free to disagree with them on this issue. You can get a different distribution, get rpms for the ntfs module from linux-ntfs.sf.net or from rpm.livna.org or just recompile the kernel yourself. But Red Hat is taking the legal risks by distributing the rpms, they're the ones in Microsoft's line of fire. It's their choice. And that makes it their decision. Emmanuel From perbj at stanford.edu Tue Oct 26 21:18:52 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:18:52 -0700 Subject: FC3-rc1 Rescue CD (refernces to Fedora Core 2.92 test 3) In-Reply-To: <1098789685.5427.4.camel@localhost> References: <20041024191109.83065.qmail@web86510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <417BFEFD.5010009@linux.net.mk> <417DBDEE.6080404@donut.dk> <1098789685.5427.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1098825532.2900.165.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 04:21, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > I have an IBM A31 laptop and have NEVER been successful in getting it to > suspend to swap partition in fedora. Can you describe (PLEASE????) in > detail what you've done and what you've used to get this to work? > swsusp2? pmdisk? swsusp? using a stock fedora kernel RPM? rolled > your own? Definitely not the stock Fedora kernel RPM; software suspend is not enabled in those kernels (see Dave Jones's message on why this is on the fedora-devel list earlier today: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-October/msg01369.html > Please detail this out so I can get this working too!!!! Pretty much recompile the kernel with "Software Suspend" and hope for the best... If you dig around on the swsusp2 web site, http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/index.html , you might find some more useful information (perhaps especially the mailing lists/archives). Good luck, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 26 21:19:01 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:19:01 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> Message-ID: <1098825540.11845.29.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > Just don't let yum install packages that aren't signed. How about you > start a rawhide mirror with the following properties: if a package is > not signed, it won't be in your mirror; you'll keep the previous > version of such package instead. Then it would not be a rawhide mirror. It would be a rawhide distortion. mirror implies an identical reflection. :) > An alternative is to script a yum wrapper that, when encountering an > unsigned package, automatically excludes that and retries, until you > get only signed packages installed. Heck, wouldn't it be way so cool > if yum could do it all by itself? You could download the header from the package and look beyond it to see if there are any non-md5/sha1 signatures and if any of those are gpg signatures. However, you won't be able to know if it passes the sig check w/o downloading the whole package. And boy would that suck for the user. > It's unlikely that signed packages will have dependencies on unsigned > packages, because of the way signing is done, so odds are that, given > daily rawhide pushes, you'd be able to move forward quite regularly. except that testing would crawl to a halt on the unsigned packages. > > If yum could provide a lesser degree of verification, by verifying > > checksums instead of signatures, this wouldn't be a bad thing? > > Err... Doesn't it? up2date does, and so does rpm. yum checks the package checksum and the file checksum, yes. -sv From gene.heskett at verizon.net Tue Oct 26 21:19:16 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:19:16 -0400 Subject: FC3rc1 disk one small In-Reply-To: References: <200410251039.29158.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20041026044848.GC17451@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <200410261719.16134.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 26 October 2004 13:26, Justin Conover wrote: >I just recommend using "wget" > >wget -c url-to-iso Thanks. >downloading large files (iso) from a browser doesn't work all that > great. As I've found, problems seem to be rampant when the src box is fast enough to fill the pipes, not a normal condition when accessing a redhat server. Slower sites that stumble enough to let the pipes flush seem to do better in that regard. I have no such problems that I'm aware of when using gftp, which is why it seems odd that I cannot use it against that particular site. I had to go get the SRPMS disk4, 5 times before the md5sum was good. To my frugal mind, thats a waste of bandwidth for everyone concerned. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Tue Oct 26 21:20:09 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:20:09 +0100 Subject: yum error message Message-ID: <200410262220.09310.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Why do I get the error message Error: missing dep: redhat-menus for pkg evolution when I run "yum update". I can avoid it by "yum --exclude evolution update" but I'd still like to now what one is meant to do. I find yum very useful, but I really think its error messages should be thought through. The other day my link to the network was down, but instead of a message saying something like "Cannot access repository xyz" I got a python error message about a problem in line n of python file y. The best error messages suggest possible remedial action. The next best tell you exactly what is wrong, eg in this case something like "Cannot find file redhat-menus-xyz required by package evolution", if that is indeed the error. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 26 21:22:18 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:22:18 -0400 Subject: yum error message In-Reply-To: <200410262220.09310.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410262220.09310.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098825738.11845.31.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:20, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Why do I get the error message > Error: missing dep: redhat-menus for pkg evolution > when I run "yum update". > I can avoid it by "yum --exclude evolution update" > but I'd still like to now what one is meant to do. > > I find yum very useful, > but I really think its error messages should be thought through. Suggestions put in bugzilla would be welcome. > The other day my link to the network was down, > but instead of a message saying something like > "Cannot access repository xyz" > I got a python error message about a problem in line n of python file y. If you got a traceback then that should really be put in bugzilla. Thanks! -sv From adam at dynamicinteraction.co.uk Tue Oct 26 21:28:11 2004 From: adam at dynamicinteraction.co.uk (Mr. Adam ALLEN) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:28:11 +0100 Subject: Power down not working In-Reply-To: <417EBB3F.2020902@free.fr> References: <20041026160036.AC429737FB@hormel.redhat.com> <417EBB3F.2020902@free.fr> Message-ID: <1098826091.3621.78.camel@elsol.zwan.mellon-collie.net> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 23:01 +0200, patrick wrote: > FC3 RC1 doesn't shutdown my computer. It is working with FC1 on another > partition. I think I have a pretty common hardware > > Here is the details: > > Elite K7S5A + Athlon XP 2000 + 2 Seagate IDE HD > > acpid is working before shutdown: > > root 2007 1 0 20:48 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/smartd > root 2017 1 0 20:48 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/acpid > > Last message when shuting down: > > umounting filesystems [OK] > halting system ... > md: Stoping All md devices > md: md0 still in use > Shutdown: hdb > Shutdown: hda > Power down > acpi_power_off called > For what it's worth I get this on Fedora Core 2. I've not put much energy into bothering to understand why. I presume it's probably a bad implementation of ACPI. -- Regards, Adam Allen. adam at dynamicinteraction.co.uk pgp http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x553349DB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smooge at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 21:54:17 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:54:17 -0600 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: <80d7e409041026145478e3f72d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT), Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > On Oct 26, 2004, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > > > > The ntfs module used in other distributions is mainly read-only... how > > > can this corrupt a file system? > > > > All it takes is a bit of incorrect memory management in the kernel. > > As soon as you corrupt kernel data structures, all bets are off. Say, > > double-free of a pointer to an ntfs read-only buffer could corrupt > > whatever data structure that buffer was being reused for after the > > first free. > > i've always wondered about this -- i still don't see how that could > corrupt the NTFS structure *on* *disk*. sure, it's entirely possible > that the cached NTFS info in RAM might get screwed, you might lose the > ability to *read* files from the hard drive. but i don't see how that > equates to actually *damaging* the contents on the hard drive. > > if i mount a filesystem read-only, i expect it never to be altered. > doesn't NTFS use the same VFS layer as everyone else? shouldn't > "readonly" mounting be respected by that layer? > When I worked at Red Hat support... we were able to duplicate the corruption on read-only. This would have been 1999 or so. I remember retrying it around 2001 and also having to reinstall my Windows 2000 stuff after doing a very large grep. The only thing that I could figure out at that time was that something like the journal wasnt being mounted read-only and that corrupted the disk... but I am so far out of my league beyond.. hmm it broke. There were issues that Microsoft said they had patents in NTFS in various news articles but no-one in support could correlate what patents they were saying and how 'enforceable they were'. This is all before July 2001. After that.. I have no idea what RH wanted to do. -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 21:56:18 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 18:56:18 -0300 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> All it takes is a bit of incorrect memory management in the kernel. >> As soon as you corrupt kernel data structures, all bets are off. Say, >> double-free of a pointer to an ntfs read-only buffer could corrupt >> whatever data structure that buffer was being reused for after the >> first free. > i've always wondered about this -- i still don't see how that could > corrupt the NTFS structure *on* *disk*. sure, it's entirely possible > that the cached NTFS info in RAM might get screwed, you might lose the > ability to *read* files from the hard drive. Not only that. It may screw any data structures whatsoever. It could, for example, mark as dirty another unrelated page that was not supposed to be dirty, and then, if that page happens to get a bit of the memory corruption too, it will eventually make it to disk (if the system doesn't crash first). > if i mount a filesystem read-only, i expect it never to be altered. > doesn't NTFS use the same VFS layer as everyone else? If nothing corrupts memory, yes. If there's a single module getting internal data structures messed up, all bets are off. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 21:56:59 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 18:56:59 -0300 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, Dan Hollis wrote: > afaik ntfs-readonly no longer has any memory corruption issues. I didn't claim there was one. I just explained how it could cause problems if there was. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 22:02:07 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 19:02:07 -0300 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, Dan Hollis wrote: > The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, always > changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an ideological > issue and not a technical or legal one. If you're so sure there isn't a legal issue, I'm sure you wouldn't mind signing an agreement with Red Hat, becoming personally responsible for any liability resulting from shipping a kernel with the NTFS module enabled, right? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 26 22:03:46 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:03:46 -0600 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098757014.16609.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1098757014.16609.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> Message-ID: <1098828226.12586.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 22:16 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > Quoting Matias > > By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk > > (fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. > > > > Its funny because I agree that it will be good if rawhide rpms were > signed, but I was only pointing out that if you choose to use > unsupported beta software for critical tasks, you can't say the provider > forced you to be at risk... it was your choice to use it. > His point was not that Red Hat forced him to use a beta, for God's sake. His point was that if the package is not signed, then it is easier for someone to substitute a trojan package on a mirror server. He's arguing that signing packages would add one level of useful security (or "trust" if you will, in that at least you would know that the package you downloaded had been built at Red Hat or by the Fedora Project. That's it. Argue against that, if you will, but your continued argument about his using (or not) a beta is simply based on not understanding Mat?as's original point. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Oct 26 22:08:29 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > >> All it takes is a bit of incorrect memory management in the kernel. > >> As soon as you corrupt kernel data structures, all bets are off. Say, > >> double-free of a pointer to an ntfs read-only buffer could corrupt > >> whatever data structure that buffer was being reused for after the > >> first free. > > > i've always wondered about this -- i still don't see how that could > > corrupt the NTFS structure *on* *disk*. sure, it's entirely possible > > that the cached NTFS info in RAM might get screwed, you might lose the > > ability to *read* files from the hard drive. > > Not only that. It may screw any data structures whatsoever. It > could, for example, mark as dirty another unrelated page that was not > supposed to be dirty, and then, if that page happens to get a bit of > the memory corruption too, it will eventually make it to disk (if the > system doesn't crash first). but, once again, if the FS is mounted read only, how will that page "eventually make it to disk", as you describe it? i guess, the way i'm looking at it, the read-only mount setting should take precedence over *all* operations and should be the ultimate authority, preventing any writes to disk, no matter how corrupted the internal data structures get. anyway, i guess that's just looking at things as if it were a perfect world. rday From aoliva at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 22:10:14 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 26 Oct 2004 19:10:14 -0300 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098825540.11845.29.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <1098825540.11845.29.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, seth vidal wrote: >> Just don't let yum install packages that aren't signed. How about >> you start a rawhide mirror with the following properties: if a >> package is not signed, it won't be in your mirror; you'll keep the >> previous version of such package instead. > Then it would not be a rawhide mirror. It would be a rawhide distortion. > mirror implies an identical reflection. :) Well, not quite. Plane mirrors do. And, even then, there's a small delay for the light to get from you to the mirror and back, so when you see your image in the mirror, you're no longer what you're seeing there :-) This wouldn't be that different :-) > You could download the header from the package and look beyond it to see > if there are any non-md5/sha1 signatures and if any of those are gpg > signatures. However, you won't be able to know if it passes the sig > check w/o downloading the whole package. And boy would that suck for the > user. No dispute here. But if it could, later on, realize that the package was signed and use http interval fetch tricks to obtain only the signature, it would be way cool. >> It's unlikely that signed packages will have dependencies on unsigned >> packages, because of the way signing is done, so odds are that, given >> daily rawhide pushes, you'd be able to move forward quite regularly. > except that testing would crawl to a halt on the unsigned packages. Which would be a good reason for the key bearers :-) to actually sign packages that go to rawhide more often. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Tue Oct 26 22:12:12 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:12:12 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <44586.195.34.133.60.1098794724.squirrel@195.34.133.60> <1898.12.29.16.103.1098795709.squirrel@whooper.org> <57043.195.34.133.61.1098796431.squirrel@195.34.133.61> <1098797058.14731.26.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <55987.195.34.133.68.1098797915.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <1098825540.11845.29.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1098828732.11845.46.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 18:10, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, seth vidal wrote: > > >> Just don't let yum install packages that aren't signed. How about > >> you start a rawhide mirror with the following properties: if a > >> package is not signed, it won't be in your mirror; you'll keep the > >> previous version of such package instead. > > > Then it would not be a rawhide mirror. It would be a rawhide distortion. > > > mirror implies an identical reflection. :) > > Well, not quite. Plane mirrors do. And, even then, there's a small > delay for the light to get from you to the mirror and back, so when > you see your image in the mirror, you're no longer what you're seeing > there :-) This wouldn't be that different :-) These locations should not even advertise themselves as ATTEMPTED mirrors. b/c they are not doing that. At least the current mirrors are making a good-faith effort to be in sync. > No dispute here. But if it could, later on, realize that the package > was signed and use http interval fetch tricks to obtain only the > signature, it would be way cool. difficult with the signature it makes it harder to just get-byte-range changes b/c the file moves around a bit. -sv From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 22:38:24 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:38:24 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098828226.12586.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1098757014.16609.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098828226.12586.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041026223824.GA13162@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 04:03:46PM -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > His point was that if the package is not signed, then it is easier for > someone to substitute a trojan package on a mirror server. He's arguing > that signing packages would add one level of useful security (or "trust" > if you will, in that at least you would know that the package you > downloaded had been built at Red Hat or by the Fedora Project. The question is what should it be signed by I guess. Red Hat don't trust or warrant rawhide packages. From cra at WPI.EDU Tue Oct 26 22:46:56 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:46:56 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <20041026223824.GA13162@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1098757014.16609.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098828226.12586.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041026223824.GA13162@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041026224656.GS28232@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 06:38:24PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote: > The question is what should it be signed by I guess. Red Hat don't trust or > warrant rawhide packages. How about a "Fedora Rawhide Untrusted Unwarranted Automated Package Signing Key" key? From sopwith at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 22:57:11 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3rc2 - please test Message-ID: http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on FC3rc1. Cheers, -- Elliot From veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu Tue Oct 26 22:59:55 2004 From: veguilla at hpcf.upr.edu (Ricardo Veguilla) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:59:55 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098828226.12586.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1098757014.16609.17.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098828226.12586.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098831595.8674.46.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 16:03 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 22:16 -0400, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > Quoting Matias > > > By not signing their rpm in rawhide, Red Hat "force" me to take risk > > > (fake rpm, ...) for _nothing_. I don't want to take these risks. > > > > > > > Its funny because I agree that it will be good if rawhide rpms were > > signed, but I was only pointing out that if you choose to use > > unsupported beta software for critical tasks, you can't say the provider > > forced you to be at risk... it was your choice to use it. > > > > His point was not that Red Hat forced him to use a beta, for God's sake. Again, please read more carefully before replying. You don't seem to be reading what I wrote. Re-read my paragraph above and tell me where do I claim that "Matias says Red Hat is forcing him to use a beta"? The point he made (and which is the only thing I criticizing) was that since he is using rawhide (beta/test/devel software) Red Hat is forcing him to be at risk because rawhide packages are not signed. > His point was that if the package is not signed, then it is easier for > someone to substitute a trojan package on a mirror server. He's arguing > that signing packages would add one level of useful security (or "trust" > if you will, in that at least you would know that the package you > downloaded had been built at Red Hat or by the Fedora Project. Like I said I agree that it will be good if the rpm were signed. > That's it. Argue against that, if you will, but your continued argument > about his using (or not) a beta is simply based on not understanding > Mat?as's original point. Like I said, I don't have to argue against "that" (signed rpm being a good idea) because I agree with "that". If you want to continue arguing about this, feel free to email me privately. Regards, -- Ricardo Veguilla From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 26 23:07:40 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:07:40 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: <1098832060.27707.73.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 18:08, Robert P. J. Day wrote: [snip] > but, once again, if the FS is mounted read only, how will that page > "eventually make it to disk", as you describe it? i guess, the way > i'm looking at it, the read-only mount setting should take precedence > over *all* operations and should be the ultimate authority, preventing > any writes to disk, no matter how corrupted the internal data > structures get. anyway, i guess that's just looking at things as if > it were a perfect world. I think it's basically just that once there is memory corruption in the kernel, all bets are off. And that goes for that probably not more than one bit, or maybe a byte that says 'read-only'. This is one of the reasons, I think, that Linus doesn't think putting kernel crash dump code in the kernel that dumps to disk. It could potentially scribble all over your disk. With proprietary hardware/software combos (e.g.: Solaris on UltraSparc), it makes a little more sense, since the vendor controls the whole stack from kernel down to the silicon. But on x86 where Linus and Linux distributors have little to no control over hardware, who knows what could happen. Hence, we have netdump, using a packet driver (even bypassing the higher level tcp/ip code I think). The point is, when the kernel is corrupt in anyway, anything can happen. Which is why a crash (panic) is probably your friend ;-). Apparently, at least at for a time, NTFS was particularly fragile in that area. (NTFS is not alone, however. I also had a read only UFS mount blow away my Solaris 2.5.1 install, once.) -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 23:20:19 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <80d7e409041026145478e3f72d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > There were issues that Microsoft said they had patents in NTFS in > various news articles but no-one in support could correlate what > patents they were saying and how 'enforceable they were'. This is all > before July 2001. After that.. I have no idea what RH wanted to do. microsoft also said they have patents on FAT, RDP and SMB... -Dan From goemon at anime.net Tue Oct 26 23:26:23 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, Dan Hollis wrote: > > The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, always > > changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an ideological > > issue and not a technical or legal one. > If you're so sure there isn't a legal issue, I'm sure you wouldn't > mind signing an agreement with Red Hat, becoming personally > responsible for any liability resulting from shipping a kernel with > the NTFS module enabled, right? are there such agreements for fat and rdp and samba, which microsoft stated they did hold patents on? -Dan From alan at redhat.com Tue Oct 26 23:36:05 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:36:05 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <80d7e409041026145478e3f72d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041026233605.GA7847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 04:20:19PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > microsoft also said they have patents on FAT, RDP and SMB... And your president said he was justified invading Iraq. Like all claims you have to evaluate them, and that should be done by a competent qualified person in each case. Probably they won't all agree. Alan From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Tue Oct 26 23:35:15 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:35:15 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <20041026233605.GA7847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <80d7e409041026145478e3f72d@mail.gmail.com> <20041026233605.GA7847@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098833715.27707.76.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 19:36, Alan Cox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 04:20:19PM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > > microsoft also said they have patents on FAT, RDP and SMB... > > And your president said he was justified invading Iraq. Like all > claims you have to evaluate them, and that should be done by a competent > qualified person in each case. Probably they won't all agree. %s/qualified person/qualified person whom you've paid to do said evaluation/ -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 27 00:01:08 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:01:08 -0600 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098835268.12586.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > What connection information do you wish to configure? Do you use static > IP addresses for any of your interfaces? The point of NetworkManager is > that you shouldn't _have_ to configure anything. So I go somewhere and connect. And they don't broadcast a SSID, or require WEP, or don't have DHCP and I need static... if I don't have to (or am able to) configure stuff in NetworkManager, where is it going to get done then? > How do you mean? When you only have a wired connection (no wireless > card plugged in), the applet will hide itself (somewhat debatable, I > think it should show all the time) It should *definitely* show up all the time unless told not to do so. You can make the "hide if unnecessary" an option if you like, but please make that an option and not the *only* choice. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Tue Oct 26 23:57:04 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:57:04 -0600 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098809764.17695.19.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098807842.32130.8.camel@animal> <1098809764.17695.19.camel@douro.ppl-ti.com> Message-ID: <1098835024.12586.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:56 +0100, Miguel Pereira Leite wrote: > "very small minority" +1 > +2 Lots of friends, clients, and idiots don't run DHCP for some unknown reason. Having a network pop up and say "I didn't get DHCP response, would you like to configure a static?" would be a godsend. I'm looking forward to trying NetworkManager; system-config-network is a confusing pain in the ass. OT though, can't we change the name to NetMan or anything shorter? Or maintain the great old tradition of making package names lowercase? Just lazy, but "NetworkManager" is quite a mouthful for fingers to hit all that frequently. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Wed Oct 27 00:05:24 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:05:24 -0600 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098693168.8604.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098709388.16158.8.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098710756.9215.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098711692.16407.13.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098713219.9215.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098720495.3357.18.camel@tuxtop> <1098726127.9687.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098730016.21845.9.camel@ricardo.veguilla.net> <1098754979.12570.20.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <417DD83D.8090002@aesgi.com> Message-ID: <1098835525.12586.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 23:53 -0500, Gregory G Carter wrote: > They still crack Windows with perfectly signed packages from Microsoft. > In FACT, I do not see how signing binaries helps really in dealing with > secure code for end users. > It doesn't, of course. But it *does* help in ensuring that the user only installs code that Red Hat produced, rather than some hacker like the guy sending a security update from "fedora-redhat.com". If a system were set up to only accept signed packages, that package would not be accepted. This of course has *ZERO* effect on whether the code contained in a package is secure or not. But that is an entirely separate subject from the one we are discussing here. The benefit side of the argument is: if someone hacked a Rawhide mirror server and replaced the newest kernel update file with a trojaned one, anyone downloading that trojaned kernel would be screwed. And this would have nothing to do with the code in question being Rawhide code. The cost side of the argument is one which I am trying to understand but with which I am not so familiar. It's all a question of whether such a change would be net positive or negative... but I don't know enough to speak with any authority. The rest of you will have to figure it out. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linxt at comcast.net Wed Oct 27 02:25:01 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:25:01 -0700 Subject: FC3rc1 - firefox problem Message-ID: <200410261925.02069.linxt@comcast.net> Hi all: Spent two days getting FC3rc1 loaded and setup to my liking. Decided to do a fresh install instead of an upgrade to avoid problems. Took lots of time to get all the old info (saved in a separate partition) imported and working. One thing isn't working though. When I try to open Firefox, I get a "Choose User Profile" dialog box. The only entry in the box is default. If I select default and click on "Start Firefox", I get an error message saying "Profile in use, choose another profile or create a new one". I then create a new user profile (tom) and Firefox starts and appears to work properly. When I exit Firefox and look in the ~/.mozilla/firefox which contains a new profile dirtectory (z3w8dazx.tom) which appears to contain the correct information. However, when I try to open Firefox again, the profile manager again opens with only "default" user which still doesn't work. Anyone else run into this problem yet? I've tried checking permissions/ownership but they seem okay. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tom -- Tom Taylor Registered linux user #263467 From Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov Wed Oct 27 02:05:32 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:05:32 -0400 Subject: Evolution fails to prompt for new POP server password Message-ID: <1098842732.4503.3.camel@tabb1.tabb> When using Evolution "Remember password" setting and password is changed on the pop server, evolution returns immediately with no error message or indication of authentication failure. Any other problems with this? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137261 Work-around is to delete the line for the server in ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution which forces a prompt for a new password. Phil From Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov Wed Oct 27 02:15:45 2004 From: Philip.R.Schaffner at NASA.gov (Phil Schaffner) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:15:45 -0400 Subject: FC3 final - upgrade(?) from FC3T3?? In-Reply-To: <1098799283.13348.53.camel@tarjei.predichem.nett> References: <20041026134400.91408.qmail@web21122.mail.yahoo.com> <1098799283.13348.53.camel@tarjei.predichem.nett> Message-ID: <1098843345.4503.8.camel@tabb1.tabb> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 16:01 +0200, Tarjei Knapstad wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:44, Hardy Merrill wrote: > > I now have FC3T3 - when FC3 final comes out, will I > > need to reinstall the whole thing, or will I just be > > able to change my yum.conf and do 'yum update'?? > > > > I guess the answer is "probably" :) FC3 final won't be very far off from > FC3T3 AFAICT. > > Note though that upgrades to/from test releases are not supported > in any way. The whole point of doing test releases is to have users try > to install it from scratch if I'm not mistaken...? (OK, _almost_ the > whole point :)) There are some packages that were in rawhide that have either disappeared or have rolled-back versions in FC3rc2, or current rawhide, as compared to my up-to-date rawhide system. A re-install would be the safe approach. Phil From kewley at caltech.edu Wed Oct 27 01:53:17 2004 From: kewley at caltech.edu (David Kewley) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:53:17 -0700 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410261853.17760.kewley@caltech.edu> Elliot Lee wrote on Tuesday 26 October 2004 15:57: > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. > Please speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or > forever hold your peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking > the time so far on FC3rc1. > > Cheers, > -- Elliot The x86_64 iso's at http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/x86_64/iso/ are dated 10/21, which seems wrong. Things look OK in other directories after a quick scan. Files in http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/x86_64/iso/ have date 10/26, but let me ask: Are they correct? :) David P.S. I sent the above to this list and fedora-devel, but I'm subscribed with different addresses so the message to this list got held for moderation. Off to fix that next... I just installed rc2 using http from boot.iso (thanks for the bandwidth, Duke! :). Two quick comments: My monitor gives good ddc information, and it's listed as a known monitor. But it isn't configured as that monitor automatically. Why? Can't this be done better? The "Additional CDs" screen of firstboot mentions "Red Hat Enterprise Linux Extras". David From ngierman at roadrunn.com Wed Oct 27 01:16:54 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:16:54 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098839814.4416.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> That RH9 bug was closed and a comment that my FC3test3 bug is related to udev which should have been fixed. It is not so I submitted a new one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137263 On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 19:05 +0000, Andrew wrote: > Hi, > > I just looked at that bug myself and then double checked the network startup script. Comment #2 shows the catch 22 you're in. Hotplug must not be enabled "unilaterally", but the Prism54 cards cannot load their firmware without hotplug support. So... somebody's out of luck. Maybe a RFE for FC4 would be to allow hotplug to be active while the network is being brought up when entering runlevel 3 or 5 -- or at least on a per interface basis. > > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 05:57 PM > > To: ''For testers of Fedora Core development releases'' > > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > I just updated to kernel 2.6.9-1.643 and still same issue. I was going to > > file a bug and noticed the same issue already reported with RH9. I added a > > comment to that bug > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=113462 and am waiting > > to see if they want me to start a new bug or just append to the current. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Neil Gierman > > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 14:52 > > > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > > > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > Just updated to udev-039-6 with same symptoms. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > > > Neil Gierman > > > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 13:21 > > > > To: 'For testers of Fedora Core development releases' > > > > Subject: RE: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > > > I am at udev-039-3 :( > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > > > > > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > Sent: Friday, 22 October, 2004 12:10 > > > > > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > > > > Subject: Re: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > > > > > Update to udev-0.39-3 or later. > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 14:33 +0000, Andrew wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Join the party. I have noticed this, but I am just so glad > > > > > to get it to load the firmware at all, I figured I could > > > > live with it > > > > > not working during boot. For the record are you running > > > 2.6.9-1.640? > > > > > > > > > > > > With mine, even with I plug it in after the boot is > > > > > complete, it fails to load the firmware anywhere from 2 > > > to 4 times > > > > > before getting loaded. You should also see in your > > > > messages log that > > > > > the /dev/0000:30.0 (or similar) was being removed by > > > udev, for each > > > > > failed firmware load. > > > > > > > > > > > > My gut tells me there is a race condition in the sysfs > > > > > interface of the prism54 driver, so that the place where it > > > > needs to > > > > > cp the firmware to, does not exist yet when the cp actually > > > > happens. > > > > > Whether or not anything like udev is involved in that race > > > > condition, > > > > > I don't know, b/c I've not researched it enough to find > > > out --- yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still learning a lot (and have a lot to learn) about > > > > > the hotplug > > > > > > environment, etc., (as you will see if you look at my bz > > > > > entry for hal > > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135202) > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do bz I would love to follow the story -- but I will > > > > > keep my mouth shut :-) so could yout post the #? > > > > > > > > > > > > Does hal-device-manager advanced properties for your WG511 > > > > > show the right MAC? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & good luck. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Neil Gierman [mailto:ngierman at roadrunn.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 02:05 PM > > > > > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > > > > Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just upgraded from FC2 to FC3test3 and noticed a new > > > > > behavior with > > > > > > > my Netgear WG511. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In FC2 I would get a failure during network init because > > > > > eth1 (the > > > > > > > prism54) was not found. As soon as pcmcia started then > > > > the module > > > > > > > would load and insert into my wireless network without > > > > > any action from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now in FC3test3, the prism54 module loads and complains > > > > about not > > > > > > > being able to load the firmware (the firmware is in > > > the correct > > > > > > > place according to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent). As > > > > soon as get a > > > > > > > shell I rmmod prism54 and modprobe prism54 and it loads > > > > > and is able > > > > > > > to upload the firmware just fine (which I have now added > > > > > the rmmod > > > > > > > and modprobe to rc.local so I can reboot remotely and > > > > still gain > > > > > > > access after reboot). I updated all packages (including > > > > > kernel) that > > > > > > > were available from yum and the same symptoms are there. > > > > > I searched bugzilla and didn't see anything on the prism54. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone seen this, or should it go to bugzilla? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmesg: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > > > > > > > dm at uk.sistina.com > > > > > > > cdrom: open failed. > > > > > > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > > > > > > EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal > > > > > > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > > > > > > Adding 524152k swap on /dev/hda3. Priority:-1 extents:1 > > > > > > > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > > > > > > microcode: No new microdata for cpu 0 > > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > > prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' > > > > > > > eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') > > > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. > > > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x170-0x177 > > > > 0x370-0x377 > > > > > > > 0x4d0-0x4d7 > > > > > > > cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. > > > > > > > i2c /dev entries driver > > > > > > > lp: driver loaded but no devices found ---------------- > > > > > End of boot > > > > > > > eth1: removing device ---------------------------- > > > rmmod prism54 > > > > > > > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 Unloaded prism54 > > > > driver Loaded > > > > > > > prism54 driver, version 1.2 ---------------------- > > > > > modprobe > > > > > > > prism54 > > > > > > > ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:06:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, > > > > > low) -> IRQ 11 > > > > > > > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > > eth1: islpci_open() > > > > > > > eth1: resetting device... > > > > > > > eth1: uploading firmware... > > > > > > > eth1: firmware uploaded done, now triggering reset... > > > > > > > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lspci: > > > > > > > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > > > 82443BX/ZX/DX Host > > > > > > > bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - > > > > > > > 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev > > > > > > > 03) > > > > > > > 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) > > > > > > > 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev > > > > > 03) 00:07.0 > > > > > > > Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) > > > > > > > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > > > > IDE (rev 01) > > > > > > > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 > > > > > USB (rev 01) > > > > > > > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) > > > > > > > 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology > > > > > ES1978 Maestro > > > > > > > 2E (rev > > > > > > > 10) > > > > > > > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 > > > > [Ethernet Pro > > > > > > > 100] (rev > > > > > > > 09) > > > > > > > 00:09.1 Serial controller: Agere Systems (former Lucent > > > > > > > Microelectronics) LT WinModem 01:00.0 VGA compatible > > > > > controller: ATI > > > > > > > Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) > > > > > 06:00.0 Network > > > > > > > controller: Intersil Corporation Intersil ISL3890 > > > > [Prism GT/Prism > > > > > > > Duette] (rev 01) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > > > -- Neil Gierman From ngc4013 at cox.net Wed Oct 27 01:22:59 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (Bill Cronk) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:22:59 -0400 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices Message-ID: <417EF873.9050707@cox.net> Bill Cronk wrote: >> I have read many of the udev messages in the archive and still have some >> issues. >> >> Mainly I need to know how to easily add another device file into the >> /dev directory since when booting the system will not automatically >> setup the required /dev/md1 for the second RAID box I added on. >> >> >> Bill >> > > Harald wrote: > http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html I greatly appreciate the response regarding the link which I have already read over. So if I sum together all the links I have read concerning udev and hotplug... no I still don't get it. Seems to me the goal is to have created an environment in Fedora where one could now boot a computer with a new device attached and have all system level parameters automatically setup. So in my case when I attach a second pre-built SCSI RAID box to the second SCSI port and then it goes through all the drive detection and SCSI setup, it should reach a point where udev, hotplug, and kudzu have all performed the required tasks of setting up the necessary support for the second RAID box. My second RAID box should be attached and accessible... So far it doesn't work!! Bill From dax at gurulabs.com Wed Oct 27 01:41:57 2004 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:41:57 -0600 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test (rsync?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098841317.3856.82.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 16:57, Elliot Lee wrote: > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ I'm thinking that rsync should be able to turn my FC3rc1 isos into rc2 isos quickly. Are these isos on a rsync server someplace? Dax From dax at gurulabs.com Wed Oct 27 01:51:55 2004 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:51:55 -0600 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098841914.3856.87.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 16:57, Elliot Lee wrote: > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ DNS Resolution is borked. # host testing.fedora.redhat.com ns1.redhat.com Using domain server: Name: ns1.redhat.com Address: 66.187.233.210#53 Aliases: Host testing.fedora.redhat.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) # host testing.fedora.redhat.com ns2.redhat.com Using domain server: Name: ns2.redhat.com Address: 66.187.224.210#53 Aliases: Host testing.fedora.redhat.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) # host testing.fedora.redhat.com ns3.redhat.com Using domain server: Name: ns3.redhat.com Address: 66.187.229.10#53 Aliases: Host testing.fedora.redhat.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 27 03:31:56 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:31:56 -0400 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <1098839814.4416.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098839814.4416.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <417F16AC.2000305@speakeasy.net> Hi, Would you mind if I added a comment to your bug? I what I would as is regarding the following snippet of /etc/rc.d/init.d/network (lines 87-90) oldhotplug=`sysctl kernel.hotplug 2>/dev/null | \ awk '{ print $3 }' 2>/dev/null` sysctl -w kernel.hotplug="/bin/true" > /dev/null 2>&1 which is where hotplugging is specifically disabled, making the loading of the firmware impossible. That can be demonstrated by commenting out (#) the sysctl -w ... line and rebooting. Does using udev negate the comment #2 in the #113462 about unilaterally "enabling" hotplug? Also lines (182-186) from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions in is_available() HOTPLUG=`cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug` echo "/etc/hotplug/firmware.agent" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug modprobe $1 > /dev/null 2>&1 || { echo "$HOTPLUG" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug return 1 don't seem to help. Thanks, Andrew Neil Gierman wrote: > That RH9 bug was closed and a comment that my FC3test3 bug is related to > udev which should have been fixed. It is not so I submitted a new one. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137263 > > From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Oct 27 03:32:28 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:32:28 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410262332.28717.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 26 October 2004 19:26, Dan Hollis wrote: >On 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Oct 26, 2004, Dan Hollis wrote: >> > The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, >> > always changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an >> > ideological issue and not a technical or legal one. >> >> If you're so sure there isn't a legal issue, I'm sure you wouldn't >> mind signing an agreement with Red Hat, becoming personally >> responsible for any liability resulting from shipping a kernel >> with the NTFS module enabled, right? > >are there such agreements for fat and rdp and samba, which microsoft >stated they did hold patents on? > >-Dan ISTR the fat patent was thrown out a couple of months back, as everyone expected it to be. rdp and samba? No knowledge other than its been a cat and mouse game with M$ trying to maintain compatibility for samba. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Oct 27 03:40:45 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:40:45 -0400 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410262340.45815.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Tuesday 26 October 2004 18:57, Elliot Lee wrote: >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ Oh darn, I just burnt the rc1 disks tonight. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 27 03:41:01 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:41:01 -0400 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <417F16AC.2000305@speakeasy.net> References: <1098839814.4416.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <417F16AC.2000305@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <417F18CD.6070609@speakeasy.net> Andrew wrote: > Would you mind if I added a comment to your bug? I what I would as is should be (would be better as)... Would you mind if I added a comment to your bug? What I would add is plus I should have included rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/rc.d/init.d/network initscripts-7.93-1 From deji_aking at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 27 03:47:55 2004 From: deji_aking at yahoo.ca (Deji Akingunola) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041027034755.69786.qmail@web52302.mail.yahoo.com> --- Elliot Lee wrote: > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > This tree seeks your loving attention in > installation and testing. Please > speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) the powerdown problem have at least 4 bugzilla report associated with it, but it doesn't seems to be getting much attention. I think this a potential show-stopper for FC3. Deji ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From jerryw4386 at msn.com Wed Oct 27 03:41:10 2004 From: jerryw4386 at msn.com (JERRY WHITMIRE) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:41:10 -0700 Subject: Mozilla & Foxfire Message-ID: Mozilla & Foxfire not conneting to the internet can some one help me by sending me in the right direction to get them to work. and still can not get up2date to work my system does not hang up anymore i download 4gb of info with out no problems. THANK TO Mr. Jim X FOR HELPING TO GET THIS FOR. I use a T1 LAN DSL TO GO ONLINE. Jerry W. Whitmire jerryw4386 at msn.com _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From davej at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 04:23:54 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:23:54 -0400 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <20041027034755.69786.qmail@web52302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041027034755.69786.qmail@web52302.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041027042354.GB7523@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:47:55PM -0400, Deji Akingunola wrote: > --- Elliot Lee wrote: > > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > > > This tree seeks your loving attention in > > installation and testing. Please > > speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) > > the powerdown problem have at least 4 bugzilla report > associated with it, but it doesn't seems to be getting > much attention. I think this a potential show-stopper > for FC3. showstopper == makes it impossible to install a box, or causes data corruption. There's no reason this can't be solved in an update kernel. It is getting lots of attention, both from Red Hat, and the Intel ACPI folks. It's just a tricky one to solve. Dave From lists at donut.dk Wed Oct 27 04:28:13 2004 From: lists at donut.dk (Cream[DONut]) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:28:13 +0200 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <200410262340.45815.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410262340.45815.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <417F23DD.8030109@donut.dk> Gene Heskett wrote: >On Tuesday 26 October 2004 18:57, Elliot Lee wrote: > > >>http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ >> >> > >Oh darn, I just burnt the rc1 disks tonight. :) > hehe, i reinstalled rc1 then booted, set up my thunderbird, and read about rc2 :) i hope there will be an easy way to upgrade to the final version /Kris From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 27 04:39:47 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:39:47 -0500 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> Elliot Lee wrote: > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please > speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your > peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on > FC3rc1. > > Cheers, > -- Elliot > Flawless install and initial setup. Networked LPD print server printing still does not work with this kernel 643. Gerry Tool From bavinic at comcast.net Wed Oct 27 01:00:30 2004 From: bavinic at comcast.net (Jim Martin) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:00:30 +0000 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417EF32E.6020601@comcast.net> Flawless install, Setup was a breeze, heck, even got that nasty ole Nvidia driver working this time :) I am real impressed with the work you guys / gals have been doing on Fedora Core. Keep up the great work. I minor problem, but I am not sure it is Fedora related or me, but I cannot seem to get kmixer to save my sound settings, sound card is detected during setup, and plays sample sound, but in KDE I get no sound. I checked for Muted possibilities, and adjusted volume sliders. but still nothing. my soundcard is a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz (Sound Fusion CS46xx) any ideas? Thanks. Jim (BaVinic) Elliot Lee wrote: >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > >Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > >This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please >speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your >peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on >FC3rc1. > >Cheers, >-- Elliot > > > From talbotscott at cox.net Wed Oct 27 05:41:58 2004 From: talbotscott at cox.net (Scott Talbot) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:41:58 -0700 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098855719.3425.4.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 18:57 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please > speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your > peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on > FC3rc1. > > Cheers, > -- Elliot Released with fedora-release-2.92 vice 3-rawhide. Is this by design or oversight? (no yum.conf or up2date/sources) Tried to update test 2, failed midway could not install yp-bind (i think) started over with fresh install went completely smoothe From j.rink at freenet.de Wed Oct 27 07:06:46 2004 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:06:46 +0200 Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3: X displays rubbish on Fujitsu Siemens Scenic xB (Intel 810) Message-ID: <20041027090646.73fa8b32.j.rink@freenet.de> Hi, the test 2 and 3 are not able to display a correct desktop. Windows are displayed, but not refreshed, menues are only displayed, when the mousepointer gets over it. I use a stanard anaconda Pers Desk. Installation with automatic generated Xorg.config. CU -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From holt at sgi.com Wed Oct 27 10:04:49 2004 From: holt at sgi.com (Robin Holt) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:04:49 -0500 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <200410262332.28717.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <200410262332.28717.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20041027100449.GA8282@lnx-holt.americas.sgi.com> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:32:28PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > ISTR the fat patent was thrown out a couple of months back, as > everyone expected it to be. rdp and samba? No knowledge other than > its been a cat and mouse game with M$ trying to maintain > compatibility for samba. > That was their long filename support in msdos filesystems. The patent was important to Linux/M$ because most hotplug devices are using a vfat style filesystem. Sorry, nothing about NTFS. Robin Holt From Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net Wed Oct 27 10:21:02 2004 From: Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net (Axel Thimm) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:21:02 +0200 Subject: Why RCs on different locations? (was: FC3rc2 - please test) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041027102102.GD31334@neu.nirvana> On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 06:57:11PM -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ why aren't RCs published on downloads.fedora.redhat.com which is automatically mirrored by several locations world-wide? It could have been test/2.99.1 for rc1 test/2.99.2 for rc2 etc. But perhaps limiting the scope is intended for some reason? And as aside note: what should bugs be filed against? Bugzilla has no fc3rcN, in the current selection only "devel" would make sense. Thanks. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The release candidate posted below has a much more recent kernel than test3, try it out and report back to bugzilla or the list. I hope it works for you.. but if not it would be good to report it. http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ thread discussion about this (still ongoing) http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004- October/msg02352.html -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From fedora at nodata.co.uk Wed Oct 27 10:50:49 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:50:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3: X displays rubbish on Fujitsu Siemens Scenic xB (Intel 810) In-Reply-To: <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <20041027090646.73fa8b32.j.rink@freenet.de> <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <37568.213.164.3.90.1098874249.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > There have been several kernel bugs involving i810 graphics in the > previous months. The release candidate posted below has a much more > recent kernel than test3, try it out and report back to bugzilla or the > list. I hope it works for you.. but if not it would be good to report > it. Yikes! A "much more recent kernel".. no official announcement on the Fedora website.. no bugzilla category.. And all testing to be completed before Sunday week? Ouch! From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 10:55:48 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:55:48 +0200 Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3: X displays rubbish on Fujitsu Siemens Scenic xB (Intel 810) In-Reply-To: <37568.213.164.3.90.1098874249.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <20041027090646.73fa8b32.j.rink@freenet.de> <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <37568.213.164.3.90.1098874249.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1098874548.6990.0.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 12:50 +0200, nodata wrote: > > There have been several kernel bugs involving i810 graphics in the > > previous months. The release candidate posted below has a much more > > recent kernel than test3, try it out and report back to bugzilla or the > > list. I hope it works for you.. but if not it would be good to report > > it. > > Yikes! A "much more recent kernel".. that's way way overstating things. the kernel went from 2.6.9-rcsometing to 2.6.9-final. Until the 2.6.9 release, the upstream kernel tree was in sort of a freeze for quite some time. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Wed Oct 27 10:56:23 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:56:23 +0100 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200410271156.23596.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Monday 25 October 2004 14:23, Dan Williams wrote: > Yes, its still evolving, and most-current releases are certainly much > better than the ones that came before. What specific things don't you > like about the UI? We're still not quite sure we like the layout of the > menu in NetworkManagerNotification, and we're quite open to > suggestions... Does the latest version still apply only to DHCP connections? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From carwyn at carwyn.com Wed Oct 27 11:12:10 2004 From: carwyn at carwyn.com (Carwyn Edwards) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:12:10 +0100 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417F828A.4070506@carwyn.com> Elliot Lee wrote: >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > >Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > >This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. > Is there any particular reason that this tree lives in a different location to the stable and development trees? (download.fedora.redhat.com) There are far less mirrors of the testing tree because of this. Carwyn From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Wed Oct 27 11:43:45 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:43:45 -0400 Subject: cluster FC3 Message-ID: Any suggestion for software to setup and maintain a cluster of P4 machines running FC3? From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Wed Oct 27 11:46:37 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:46:37 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question Message-ID: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Hi, how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after booting ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before formatting partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied that it was because of SELinux. I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs partition with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable ReiserFS? thanks in advance Darek Borkowski From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Oct 27 11:58:06 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:58:06 -0500 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1098878286.3317.1.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:46 +0200, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > Hi, > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after booting > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before formatting > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied that > it was because of SELinux. > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs partition > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > ReiserFS? > This has been answered numerous times on this list... You must disable selinux at boot. linux reiserfs selinux=0 > thanks in advance > > Darek Borkowski > > > From ngierman at roadrunn.com Wed Oct 27 11:43:43 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:43:43 -0500 Subject: Prism54 firmware load failure only during boot In-Reply-To: <417F18CD.6070609@speakeasy.net> References: <1098839814.4416.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <417F16AC.2000305@speakeasy.net> <417F18CD.6070609@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1098877423.6464.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sure. Any comments that would help anyone would be appreciated. On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 23:41 -0400, Andrew wrote: > > Andrew wrote: > > Would you mind if I added a comment to your bug? I what I would as is > should be (would be better as)... > Would you mind if I added a comment to your bug? What I would add is > > plus I should have included > rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/rc.d/init.d/network > initscripts-7.93-1 > -- Neil Gierman From ngierman at roadrunn.com Wed Oct 27 11:45:33 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:45:33 -0500 Subject: Mozilla & Foxfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098877533.6464.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was having problems until I disabled IPV6... http://www.fedorafaq.org/#mozillaipv6 On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 20:41 -0700, JERRY WHITMIRE wrote: > Mozilla & Foxfire not conneting to the internet > can some one help me by sending me in the right direction to get them to > work. > and still can not get up2date to work my system does not hang up anymore i > download 4gb of info > with out no problems. THANK TO Mr. Jim X FOR HELPING TO GET THIS FOR. > I use a T1 LAN DSL TO GO ONLINE. > Jerry W. Whitmire > jerryw4386 at msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > -- Neil Gierman From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 12:32:51 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 27 Oct 2004 09:32:51 -0300 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, Dan Hollis wrote: > On 26 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Oct 26, 2004, Dan Hollis wrote: >> > The excuses for not including ntfs have varied over the years, always >> > changing. The decision not to include ntfs-readonly is an ideological >> > issue and not a technical or legal one. >> If you're so sure there isn't a legal issue, I'm sure you wouldn't >> mind signing an agreement with Red Hat, becoming personally >> responsible for any liability resulting from shipping a kernel with >> the NTFS module enabled, right? > are there such agreements for fat and rdp and samba, which microsoft > stated they did hold patents on? I'm sure Red Hat wouldn't mind if you included them all in the agreement :-) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From aoliva at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 12:34:22 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 27 Oct 2004 09:34:22 -0300 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > but, once again, if the FS is mounted read only, how will that page > "eventually make it to disk", as you describe it? If the page is marked as dirty, it will eventually be flushed to disk. Pages are below the FS layer, so whether the FS is read only or read write won't matter at all if the page is marked as dirty. Not to mention the fact that the OS could very well think it was writing to a different filesystem but, due to memory corruption, ends up overwriting bits of the read-only filesystem. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From cylon at streamyx.com Wed Oct 27 11:55:54 2004 From: cylon at streamyx.com (Mazli Alias) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:55:54 +0800 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <417F8CCA.4020207@streamyx.com> Borkowski Dariusz wrote: >Hi, > >how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after booting >ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before formatting >partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied that >it was because of SELinux. >I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs partition >with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable >ReiserFS? > >thanks in advance > >Darek Borkowski > > > > > at boot 'linux reiserfs selinux=0' From lnxxprt at arcor.de Wed Oct 27 12:56:49 2004 From: lnxxprt at arcor.de (D. Stolte) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:56:49 +0200 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: <417F9B11.5000503@arcor.de> Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > >>but, once again, if the FS is mounted read only, how will that page >>"eventually make it to disk", as you describe it? > > > If the page is marked as dirty, it will eventually be flushed to > disk. Pages are below the FS layer, so whether the FS is read only or > read write won't matter at all if the page is marked as dirty. > > Not to mention the fact that the OS could very well think it was > writing to a different filesystem but, due to memory corruption, ends > up overwriting bits of the read-only filesystem. > i think this thread is becoming a bit off-topic. memory corruption can be caused by any kernel driver and is not ntfs specific. many dsitributions include ntfs and they dont have any weird bugs like that in their bugzilla reportings. Also, i am using ntfs here and it is working as expected. Apart from possible legal issues (IANAL) I dont see a valid reason to not include ntfs in the kernel rpm. /ds From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Oct 27 13:15:21 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > > > but, once again, if the FS is mounted read only, how will that page > > "eventually make it to disk", as you describe it? > > If the page is marked as dirty, it will eventually be flushed to > disk. Pages are below the FS layer, so whether the FS is read only or > read write won't matter at all if the page is marked as dirty. > > Not to mention the fact that the OS could very well think it was > writing to a different filesystem but, due to memory corruption, ends > up overwriting bits of the read-only filesystem. ah, now i see. just to clarify, does *all* filesystem access (including NTFS) go thru the VFS? or are there some filesystems that differ sufficiently from the VFS model that they provide their own ... access implementations? (not sure that's the best way to phrase it, but i'm sure you know what i mean.) rday From bikehead at amberpoint.com Wed Oct 27 13:18:42 2004 From: bikehead at amberpoint.com (Bikehead) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:18:42 -0700 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098814907.23459.20.camel@localhost> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098814907.23459.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <417FA032.30608@amberpoint.com> I think I have a similar problem with NetworkManager. I have a wireless network with no broadcast and WEP. No problem I think, I'll add it using the 'wireless network' selection. It prompts me for an essid, which I enter, and then a key, which I enter as a raw hex string. Now most of the time applet will keep prompting me for the key even though I know its correct. __o _-\<,_ Brian (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: >On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: >[snip] > > >>>I also like that I have access to both my wired and wireless interfaces. >>> >>> >>How do you mean? When you only have a wired connection (no wireless >>card plugged in), the applet will hide itself (somewhat debatable, I >>think it should show all the time) [snip] >> >> > >Can you PLEASE make the applet always show up? Please, Please? > >Also, I'm not sure I understand how NetworkManagerInfo is supposed to >work.... > >I have a wireless LAN at home, where I have chosen to not broadcast the >SID, AND I have WEP turned on. I started the NetworkManager service, >and started NetworkManagerInfo. It was unable to find or associate to >the SID, of course. So I selected "Other wireless networks..." from the >menu, and was able to put my SID in, but that's as far as I got. >NetworkManagerInfo came back with an error of some sort. I'm assuming >that it was trying to associate to the AP, but since it didn't have any >information for the WEP key, it wasn't able to. > >Am I doing something wrong? I did read the docs that came with >NetworkManager and didn't find anything related to WEP. It would seem to >make sense to me that the popup for "put your ESSID in here" should also >include information like alternative channels, rate, and WEP key, >shouldn't it? I agree that it should only ask for this once, but it >should ask for it once, shouldn't it? > >TIA! > > > > > From royamitabha at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 13:32:37 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:32:37 -0400 Subject: FC3rc1 - firefox problem In-Reply-To: <200410261925.02069.linxt@comcast.net> References: <200410261925.02069.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <77e74f3e04102706327b434ea2@mail.gmail.com> I think the problem is that you probably did not create a clean profile after the upgrade, >From the prompt, type firefox --p (this brings up firefox profiles, create a new profile and import data from old profile). If you have already done this, then delete the firefox directory under .mozilla and restart firefox (make backup before you do). Create a new profile and import from backup. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:25:01 -0700, Thomas Taylor wrote: > Hi all: > > Spent two days getting FC3rc1 loaded and setup to my liking. Decided to do a > fresh install instead of an upgrade to avoid problems. Took lots of time to > get all the old info (saved in a separate partition) imported and working. > One thing isn't working though. > > When I try to open Firefox, I get a "Choose User Profile" dialog box. The > only entry in the box is default. If I select default and click on "Start > Firefox", I get an error message saying "Profile in use, choose another > profile or create a new one". > > I then create a new user profile (tom) and Firefox starts and appears to work > properly. When I exit Firefox and look in the ~/.mozilla/firefox which > contains a new profile dirtectory (z3w8dazx.tom) which appears to contain the > correct information. However, when I try to open Firefox again, the profile > manager again opens with only "default" user which still doesn't work. > > Anyone else run into this problem yet? I've tried checking > permissions/ownership but they seem okay. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, Tom > -- > Tom Taylor > Registered linux user #263467 > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 13:34:44 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:34:44 -0400 Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> Message-ID: <20041027133444.GH31602@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:15:21AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > ah, now i see. just to clarify, does *all* filesystem access > (including NTFS) go thru the VFS? or are there some filesystems that > differ sufficiently from the VFS model that they provide their own ... > access implementations? (not sure that's the best way to phrase it, > but i'm sure you know what i mean.) Everything goes through the VFS layer first (although its more high level than the BSD VFS). A file system may opt out of the lower layer helpers but it cannot opt out of the VFS. From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Wed Oct 27 13:33:58 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:33:58 -0400 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 07:46, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > Hi, > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after booting > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before formatting > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied that > it was because of SELinux. > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs partition > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > ReiserFS? In theory, there should no longer be a problem with reiserfs and SELinux in FC3/final. You won't get fine-grained file labeling, but it shouldn't deadlock the system anymore, as SELinux has been changed to just not call the reiserfs xattr handlers until someone fixes them upstream. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From akabi at speakeasy.net Wed Oct 27 13:39:28 2004 From: akabi at speakeasy.net (ne...) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: <417F9B11.5000503@arcor.de> References: <63a30f4d04102605432446b749@mail.gmail.com> <1098794467.1330.0.camel@preview> <1098802732.27707.9.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098801352.1643.1.camel@preview> <417F9B11.5000503@arcor.de> Message-ID: On Oct 27, 2004 at 14:56, D. Stolte in a soothing rage wrote: [...] >i think this thread is becoming a bit off-topic. memory corruption can >be caused by any kernel driver and is not ntfs specific. many dsitributions >include ntfs and they dont have any weird bugs like that in their bugzilla >reportings. Also, i am using ntfs here and it is working as expected. >Apart from possible legal issues (IANAL) I dont see a valid reason to not >include ntfs in the kernel rpm. Maybe the thread should be moved to fedora-legal... Anyway, RH policy is not to include ntfs module. Whether other ditributions include it is besides the point. If anyone does not like RH policy, buy enough RH shares so that you can sit on their Board of Directors and change policy there. Else, solve the problem some other way and move on. N.Emile... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Switch to: http://www.speakeasy.net/refer/190653 I like young girls. Their stories are shorter. -- Tom McGuane 09:35:57 up 121 days, 2:50, 6 users, load average: 5.00, 5.00, 4.94 From mhaney at interactsys.com Wed Oct 27 13:39:02 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:39:02 -0400 Subject: RC1? Message-ID: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Okay where'd RC1 come from? I think I missed that memo. Is it just another name for T3? -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 09:38:21 up 1:59, 1 user, load average: 3.85, 3.49, 3.13 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From royamitabha at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 13:40:33 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:40:33 -0400 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> Message-ID: <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> I am curious about the pros and cons of the various file systems. I have always used ext3. Is there any particular reason to use reiserfs ? What benefits do you get ? On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:33:58 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 07:46, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after booting > > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before formatting > > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied that > > it was because of SELinux. > > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs partition > > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > > ReiserFS? > > In theory, there should no longer be a problem with reiserfs and SELinux > in FC3/final. You won't get fine-grained file labeling, but it > shouldn't deadlock the system anymore, as SELinux has been changed to > just not call the reiserfs xattr handlers until someone fixes them > upstream. > > -- > Stephen Smalley > National Security Agency > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 13:42:36 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:42:36 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098878286.3317.1.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098878286.3317.1.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1098884556.2725.13.camel@kyrre> Wouldn't it be an anaconda bug not to do this, ie. not automatically disable SELinux (and warn about it) when reiserfs is used? BTW. What does Reiser provide that ext does'nt? ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 13.58 skrev Timothy Sandel: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:46 +0200, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after booting > > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before formatting > > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied that > > it was because of SELinux. > > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs partition > > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > > ReiserFS? > > > This has been answered numerous times on this list... > You must disable selinux at boot. > > linux reiserfs selinux=0 > > > > thanks in advance > > > > Darek Borkowski > > > > > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 13:43:33 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:43:33 +0200 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1098884612.2725.15.camel@kyrre> No it is "test 4". And RC 2 is out as well... Good that things get tested properly! ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 15.39 skrev Mark Haney: > Okay where'd RC1 come from? I think I missed that memo. Is it just > another name for T3? > > -------------------------------------- > Mark Haney > Network Administrator > InterAct Public Safety Systems > mhaney at interactsys.com > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > 09:38:21 up 1:59, 1 user, load average: 3.85, 3.49, 3.13 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 13:45:04 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:45:04 +0200 Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3: X displays rubbish on Fujitsu Siemens Scenic xB (Intel 810) In-Reply-To: <1098874548.6990.0.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <20041027090646.73fa8b32.j.rink@freenet.de> <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <37568.213.164.3.90.1098874249.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098874548.6990.0.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1098884704.2725.17.camel@kyrre> > Until the 2.6.9 release, the upstream kernel tree was in sort of a > freeze for quite some time. They wouldn't repeat 2.6.8? :) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From mhaney at interactsys.com Wed Oct 27 13:51:07 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:51:07 -0400 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: <1098884612.2725.15.camel@kyrre> References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098884612.2725.15.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098885067.3018.16.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:43, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > No it is "test 4". And RC 2 is out as well... > > Good that things get tested properly! Yeah I'm all for proper testing, but why is this not updated on the calendar? > > ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 15.39 skrev Mark Haney: > > Okay where'd RC1 come from? I think I missed that memo. Is it just > > another name for T3? > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Mark Haney > > Network Administrator > > InterAct Public Safety Systems > > mhaney at interactsys.com > > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > > 09:38:21 up 1:59, 1 user, load average: 3.85, 3.49, 3.13 > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 09:50:21 up 2:11, 1 user, load average: 3.42, 3.49, 3.23 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And RC 2 is out as well... > > > > Good that things get tested properly! > > Yeah I'm all for proper testing, but why is this not updated on the > calendar? i was wondering the same thing, and just figured i missed a posting or something. it would have been nice to make sure everyone knew about this "release candidate" process since it doesn't appear to be documented *anywhere* in the online schedule. rday From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 14:01:25 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:01:25 -0400 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098885685.10444.9.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:40 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > I am curious about the pros and cons of the various file systems. I have > always used ext3. Is there any particular reason to use reiserfs ? > > What benefits do you get ? Don't even start, you're baiting the trolls... for some people, filesystems are a religious issue and you won't get much objectivity from asking that question. reiser has always been more efficient than ext3 at handling large directories and at keeping small files small on-disk. ext3 has been safer to use _in__the__past_ due to data corruption bugs in older versions of reiser (specifically earlier reiser3 versions). Reiser4 is so new that it hasn't gotten a shakedown, but since ext3 has been out for years its well understood and has been time-tested. Reiser3 has also been out for years and is well understood and tested. Hans Reiser is an advocate of "everything is a file or directory," even file metadata. So, in his ideal world, a "file" would be a _directory_, inside which would be a containing the actual data, but also many other files that would contain the metadata about the "file" (file type perhaps, permissions, attributes, etc). This is probably why reiser handles directories so efficiently. This also puts him in conflict with people who just don't care about his reiser-is-the-future-everything- else-sucks attitude. Dan From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Wed Oct 27 14:02:23 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:02:23 -0300 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> Em Qua, 2004-10-27 ?s 10:40, Amitabha Roy escreveu: > I am curious about the pros and cons of the various file systems. I have > always used ext3. Is there any particular reason to use reiserfs ? > What benefits do you get ? Take a look at Reiser's page. It looks like reiserfs was made for benchmarking. Some people says it's faster, some people say it's safer. I use it as default in my own distribution (debian-based), and has not a single problem with it, even when electricity suddenly comes down. (This cannot be said for ext3, as a energy interruption screwed my redhat9 ext3 raid0 server). Besides, I'm not aware of a resizing tool for reiser. It has its own problems and may not be good for everyone. Well, If it was that good, it would be part of fedora's default install, don't you think? -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhaney at interactsys.com Wed Oct 27 14:02:51 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:02:51 -0400 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098884612.2725.15.camel@kyrre> <1098885067.3018.16.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1098885771.3018.19.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:59, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Mark Haney wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:43, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > No it is "test 4". And RC 2 is out as well... > > > > > > Good that things get tested properly! > > > > Yeah I'm all for proper testing, but why is this not updated on the > > calendar? > > i was wondering the same thing, and just figured i missed a posting or > something. it would have been nice to make sure everyone knew about > this "release candidate" process since it doesn't appear to be > documented *anywhere* in the online schedule. > > rday Yeah. What I'm trying to do is test an upgrade from FC2 to whatever-the-latest-test-release of FC3 is. If, T3 isn't the latest, then how do I know/can get the latest? -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 10:01:32 up 2:22, 1 user, load average: 4.05, 3.83, 3.53 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 14:02:32 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:02:32 +0200 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: <1098885771.3018.19.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098884612.2725.15.camel@kyrre> <1098885067.3018.16.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098885771.3018.19.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1098885752.2725.23.camel@kyrre> testing.fedora.redhat.com RC2 is the latest ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.02 skrev Mark Haney: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:59, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Mark Haney wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:43, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > No it is "test 4". And RC 2 is out as well... > > > > > > > > Good that things get tested properly! > > > > > > Yeah I'm all for proper testing, but why is this not updated on the > > > calendar? > > > > i was wondering the same thing, and just figured i missed a posting or > > something. it would have been nice to make sure everyone knew about > > this "release candidate" process since it doesn't appear to be > > documented *anywhere* in the online schedule. > > > > rday > > Yeah. What I'm trying to do is test an upgrade from FC2 to > whatever-the-latest-test-release of FC3 is. If, T3 isn't the latest, > then how do I know/can get the latest? > > > -------------------------------------- > Mark Haney > Network Administrator > InterAct Public Safety Systems > mhaney at interactsys.com > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > 10:01:32 up 2:22, 1 user, load average: 4.05, 3.83, 3.53 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 14:03:21 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:03:21 +0200 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098884612.2725.15.camel@kyrre> <1098885067.3018.16.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1098885801.2725.25.camel@kyrre> Not *completely* official, maybe? ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 15.59 skrev Robert P. J. Day: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Mark Haney wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:43, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > No it is "test 4". And RC 2 is out as well... > > > > > > Good that things get tested properly! > > > > Yeah I'm all for proper testing, but why is this not updated on the > > calendar? > > i was wondering the same thing, and just figured i missed a posting or > something. it would have been nice to make sure everyone knew about > this "release candidate" process since it doesn't appear to be > documented *anywhere* in the online schedule. > > rday From joelbryanster at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 14:08:45 2004 From: joelbryanster at gmail.com (joelbryan) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:08:45 -0700 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: What ReiserFS version Fedora Core can support for now? On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:02:23 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Em Qua, 2004-10-27 ?s 10:40, Amitabha Roy escreveu: > I am curious about the pros and cons of the various file systems. I > have always used ext3. Is there any particular reason to use reiserfs ? What > benefits do you get ? > Take a look at Reiser's page. It looks like reiserfs was made for > benchmarking. > > Some people says it's faster, some people say it's safer. I use it as > default in my own distribution (debian-based), and has not a single problem > with it, even when electricity suddenly comes down. (This cannot be said for > ext3, as a energy interruption screwed my redhat9 ext3 raid0 server). > > Besides, I'm not aware of a resizing tool for reiser. It has its own > problems and may not be good for everyone. > > Well, If it was that good, it would be part of fedora's default install, > don't you think? > -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto > Group > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > -- Music = Apple iPod + Rhythmbox & iTunes Browser = Mozilla Firefox & Epiphany Desktop = Gnome, Mac OSX, Longhorn 4074 Distro = Fedora Core Language = PHP, MySQL, Python, HTML Graphics = Gimp 2.0, gThumb, Picasa Editors = FrontPage 2003, vi, gedit Codecs = FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Apple Lossless RSS = Thunderbird, Hello, Blogspot From mpeters at mac.com Wed Oct 27 14:14:38 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:14:38 +0000 Subject: Volume Control not working Message-ID: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Asus A7N8X Deluxe (uses snd-intel8x0) Back when volume controll offered both alsa and oss mixers - getting sound out of my souncard was a sinch in the OSS mixer - but I never could get the alsa mixer to work - even though OSS really used alsa or whatever. Now there is no OSS mixer in my sound control panel - and I can't get sound to work. With all due respect - the OSS mixer really is KISS compared to the Alsa mixer - I do not like the alsa mixer, far too many controlls, and if good documentation for those controls exist, I certainly don't know where it is - it's not in the help tab for the Volume Control thingy. I've tried turning PCM up - I put the maximum volume up - but I'm not getting any sound output. How the hell do I get my sound back? I really don't like it when I have to fight with a system to do a simple task. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 14:13:14 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:13:14 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <1098886394.2725.35.camel@kyrre> SuSE 9.1 used reiser as defaut, didn't they? Anyway, ill go for reiser when it becomes default for Fedora. ext is "good enough" anyway. And i must say, that my ext3 fs has survived incredible things in the past (including, but not limited to, heavy corruption due to HW failure. If only fsck would calculate the whereabouts of the extra super-inodes... Had to 1. use a rescue disk to dd the partition over to my main computer (thanks god for NFS!), just to get the size on disk 2. create a fs on a file which had the same size (an empty file created by dd) 3. get the whereabouts of the extra master inodes from there 4. run fsck from an alternate master inode. 5. lay something heavy on the "yes, do as you like, i dont have a clue about what you are talking about" button aka ENTER, and let it lay there for ten minutes, while it was asking at a rate of 20/secound (AT LEAST!) But it came back up! I was a bit worried when the computer booted, and suddenly rhgb got distorted and it hung solidly... But i (fsck) got it back up! that the disk died 2 months later (i can cat it, but the partitions is gone from /dev (even if the partitition table is there according to fdisk), is another case. But i rescued all data! Kyrre ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.02 skrev Alexandre Strube: > Em Qua, 2004-10-27 ?s 10:40, Amitabha Roy escreveu: > > I am curious about the pros and cons of the various file systems. I have > > always used ext3. Is there any particular reason to use reiserfs ? > > What benefits do you get ? > > Take a look at Reiser's page. It looks like reiserfs was made for > benchmarking. > > Some people says it's faster, some people say it's safer. I use it as > default in my own distribution (debian-based), and has not a single > problem with it, even when electricity suddenly comes down. (This > cannot be said for ext3, as a energy interruption screwed my redhat9 > ext3 raid0 server). > > Besides, I'm not aware of a resizing tool for reiser. It has its own > problems and may not be good for everyone. > > Well, If it was that good, it would be part of fedora's default > install, don't you think? > > -- > []s > > Alexandre Ganso > 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group > > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Wed Oct 27 14:17:29 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:17:29 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question Message-ID: <1098886649.23875.14.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> >Wouldn't it be an anaconda bug not to do this, ie. not automatically >disable SELinux (and warn about it) when reiserfs is used? >BTW. What does Reiser provide that ext does'nt? Reiser is better in recovering after sudden power off. I had problems with ext3. After few power downs I lost some files. With reiserfs I have never lost one file in similar situation. It seems (but here I may be wrong) that reisers is faster when processing big amount of small files. Darek Borkowski >ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 13.58 skrev Timothy Sandel: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:46 +0200, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after booting > > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before formatting > > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied that > > it was because of SELinux. > > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs partition > > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > > ReiserFS? > > > This has been answered numerous times on this list... > You must disable selinux at boot. > > linux reiserfs selinux=0 > > > > thanks in advance > > > > Darek Borkowski From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 14:15:29 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:15:29 +0200 Subject: Volume Control not working In-Reply-To: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <1098886529.2725.38.camel@kyrre> I admit being an advocate for the removal of the OSS control from gnome-volume-thingy, as it is just in the way for most people... Maybe it should simply have a check in a menu "use OSS"? ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.14 skrev Michael A. Peters: > Asus A7N8X Deluxe (uses snd-intel8x0) > > Back when volume controll offered both alsa and oss mixers - getting > sound out of my souncard was a sinch in the OSS mixer - but I never > could get the alsa mixer to work - even though OSS really used alsa or > whatever. > > Now there is no OSS mixer in my sound control panel - and I can't get > sound to work. > > With all due respect - the OSS mixer really is KISS compared to the > Alsa mixer - I do not like the alsa mixer, far too many controlls, and > if good documentation for those controls exist, I certainly don't know > where it is - it's not in the help tab for the Volume Control thingy. > > I've tried turning PCM up - I put the maximum volume up - but I'm not > getting any sound output. > > How the hell do I get my sound back? I really don't like it when I have > to fight with a system to do a simple task. > From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Wed Oct 27 14:18:35 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:18:35 +0200 Subject: What is fine-grained file labeling in ext3? In-Reply-To: <20041027140357.A9FA673904@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041027140357.A9FA673904@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098886715.23875.16.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> What is fine-grained file labeling in ext3? Darek Borkowski From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 14:16:17 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:16:17 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098886649.23875.14.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <1098886649.23875.14.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <1098886577.2725.40.camel@kyrre> What does that do to NFS? How does NFS handle a lot of small files? ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.17 skrev Borkowski Dariusz: > >Wouldn't it be an anaconda bug not to do this, ie. not automatically > >disable SELinux (and warn about it) when reiserfs is used? > > >BTW. What does Reiser provide that ext does'nt? > > Reiser is better in recovering after sudden power off. I had problems > with ext3. After few power downs I lost some files. With reiserfs I have > never lost one file in similar situation. It seems (but here I may be > wrong) that reisers is faster when processing big amount of small files. > > Darek Borkowski > > >ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 13.58 skrev Timothy Sandel: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:46 +0200, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after > booting > > > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before > formatting > > > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied > that > > > it was because of SELinux. > > > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs > partition > > > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > > > ReiserFS? > > > > > This has been answered numerous times on this list... > > You must disable selinux at boot. > > > > linux reiserfs selinux=0 > > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > Darek Borkowski From mhaney at interactsys.com Wed Oct 27 14:24:39 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:24:39 -0400 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: <1098885752.2725.23.camel@kyrre> References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098884612.2725.15.camel@kyrre> <1098885067.3018.16.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098885771.3018.19.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098885752.2725.23.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098887079.3018.21.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:02, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > testing.fedora.redhat.com > > RC2 is the latest So I should download the latest boot.iso image from there if I want to do an FTP install of the latest? > > ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.02 skrev Mark Haney: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:59, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Mark Haney wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:43, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > > > No it is "test 4". And RC 2 is out as well... > > > > > > > > > > Good that things get tested properly! > > > > > > > > Yeah I'm all for proper testing, but why is this not updated on the > > > > calendar? > > > > > > i was wondering the same thing, and just figured i missed a posting or > > > something. it would have been nice to make sure everyone knew about > > > this "release candidate" process since it doesn't appear to be > > > documented *anywhere* in the online schedule. > > > > > > rday > > > > Yeah. What I'm trying to do is test an upgrade from FC2 to > > whatever-the-latest-test-release of FC3 is. If, T3 isn't the latest, > > then how do I know/can get the latest? > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Mark Haney > > Network Administrator > > InterAct Public Safety Systems > > mhaney at interactsys.com > > Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux > > 10:01:32 up 2:22, 1 user, load average: 4.05, 3.83, 3.53 > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 10:24:03 up 2:44, 1 user, load average: 4.97, 5.12, 4.54 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jorton at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 14:30:36 2004 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:30:36 +0100 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <1098712175.10115.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> <1098712175.10115.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <20041027143036.GA11932@redhat.com> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 09:49:35AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 10:20 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 09:55:53PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 12:19 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > > > Oh, this is still so insane! Do you want two copies of libphp4.so, one > > > > which contains just the "config testing" code too, or what? > > > > > > No, that wouldn't be necessary. Each domain would have the privileges > > > to map libphp4.so and use it. > > > > So why would any PHP code be deemed to be safe to have terminal access, > > but not certain bits of httpd code? > > It doesn't have anything to do with the safety of PHP. Rather, it has > to do with the fact that SELinux does *not* distinguish between > different shared libraries within a single process. Once a process > running as httpd_t loads a shared library, that library is part of the > process and any code in it runs as httpd_t. I'm still trying to understand your suggestion to move the bits of code which do "config testing" into a separate /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest binary, and how that would avoid the issue. I bring up PHP as an example of why this isn't really feasible: the code which involves "config testing" is spread all through the modules, so isn't really separable. joe From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 14:32:01 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:32:01 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098885685.10444.9.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885685.10444.9.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098887518.6990.14.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:01 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > reiser has always been more efficient than ext3 at handling large > directories and at keeping small files small on-disk. ... until the 2.6 kernel where ext3 grew the htree extension ;) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Or possible something like: yum install source httpd That would d/l and install/unpack in /usr/src/redhat/* or any other dir the user chooses like ~/rpmbuild/* (giving user access at the same time) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Wed Oct 27 14:38:24 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:38:24 -0400 Subject: yum and .src.rpm download feature? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098887904.1834.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:34, Justin Conover wrote: > Is there away download src rpms with yum currently or is that a > feature that is being looked at? It would be nice to be able to d/l > the source rpms with something like: > > yum source httpd > > Just curious if there is something similar or if this is a feature > that is possible and if others would like to see something like this > or is it just me? > > Or possible something like: > > yum install source httpd > > That would d/l and install/unpack in /usr/src/redhat/* or any other > dir the user chooses like ~/rpmbuild/* (giving user access at the same > time) This is off-topic for this list. And it's really almost off-topic for fedora-devel, too. If you want to put in a feature request for an application look at that application's mailing lists and bugzilla. Fedora uses the Upstream so asking fedora-test or fedora-devel about new features is not the best place. -sv From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 26 19:48:34 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:48:34 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> Message-ID: <1098820114.3084.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 14:28 -0400, Elliot Lee a ?crit : > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, nodata wrote: > > > Packages for Fedora Core test (rawhide) aren't always signed. > > > > Why? > > If you can come up with a script to sign .rpm's without typing in a > password, I'll be happy to look at it. > From rom fedora-devel (Richard June) : #!/usr/bin/expect -f # wrapper to make rpm --sign be non-interactive passwd is 1st arg, file to sign is 2nd #send_user ?$argv0 [lrange $argv 0 2]\n" #set files [lrange $argv 1 $argc ] set password [lindex $argv 0] set files [lrange $argv 1 1 ] spawn rpm --addsign $filespect "Enter pass phrase:" send -- "$password\r" expect eof Hope this help. > -- Elliot "It ain't possible with the current rpm" Lee > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:32 +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:01 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > > > reiser has always been more efficient than ext3 at handling large > > directories and at keeping small files small on-disk. > > ... until the 2.6 kernel where ext3 grew the htree extension ;) > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Wed Oct 27 14:46:51 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:46:51 -0400 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <20041027143036.GA11932@redhat.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> <1098712175.10115.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027143036.GA11932@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098888411.30470.144.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:30, Joe Orton wrote: > I'm still trying to understand your suggestion to move the bits of code > which do "config testing" into a separate /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest > binary, and how that would avoid the issue. I bring up PHP as an > example of why this isn't really feasible: the code which involves > "config testing" is spread all through the modules, so isn't really > separable. Using separate front-end binaries for the different purposes, even if they share much of the same code, allows SELinux to automatically distinguish them, e.g. performing a security transition upon exec'ing the daemon to confine it while not performing a security transition upon exec'ing the config-testing program. In this case, you don't expect the config testing code itself to be malicious; you are just concerned about subversion of the daemon after it is exposed to the network. SELinux only performs security transitions on exec, as that is the point at which one can control inheritance of state and the initialization of the process in the new security context. One can also suppress a security transition (subject to policy, of course), e.g. runcon -- `id -Z` /usr/sbin/httpd -t forces it to run in your current context rather than transitioning, although doing that is a bit complicated here by the indirection of several scripts. Easier in this case to just pipe the output to the caller and let it display it as Colin did. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From walters at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 14:55:14 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:55:14 -0400 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <20041027143036.GA11932@redhat.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> <1098712175.10115.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027143036.GA11932@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098888914.19734.7.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:30 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > I'm still trying to understand your suggestion to move the bits of code > which do "config testing" into a separate /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest > binary, and how that would avoid the issue. I didn't mean to rewrite the Apache code. I meant just to have separate binaries with different labels: cp /usr/sbin/httpd /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest chcon -t sbin_t /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest That way, when init executes httpd-configtest, it does *not* domain transition to httpd_t, and thus retains privileges to write to the terminal. In this strict policy we might need to grant initrc_t access to httpd_config_t though. Or we could create a separate domain just for the config test, which would actually be a good idea, so that httpd -t wouldn't be able to act as a webserver, write pid files, etc. Does that make sense? From arjanv at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 15:02:58 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:02:58 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098888266.11042.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885685.10444.9.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098887518.6990.14.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <1098888266.11042.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041027150258.GA31064@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:44:26AM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > Which is or is not enabled by default? it is enabled by default on new filesystems since fc2 From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Oct 27 15:06:30 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:06:30 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues Message-ID: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Just installed FC3 rc2. Really sweet. ISSUES: 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will work with only 1 CD. 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be 1800x1440. 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install dialogs). Timothy amd athlon mp2000 adaptec 29160 pioneer DVD-ROM DVD-305 From justin.conover at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 15:11:57 2004 From: justin.conover at gmail.com (Justin Conover) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:11:57 -0500 Subject: yum and .src.rpm download feature? In-Reply-To: <1098887904.1834.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1098887904.1834.4.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: Sorry, seems like I only run "test" box's so just posted here, I'll look at bugzilla. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:38:24 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:34, Justin Conover wrote: > > > > Is there away download src rpms with yum currently or is that a > > feature that is being looked at? It would be nice to be able to d/l > > the source rpms with something like: > > > > yum source httpd > > > > Just curious if there is something similar or if this is a feature > > that is possible and if others would like to see something like this > > or is it just me? > > > > Or possible something like: > > > > yum install source httpd > > > > That would d/l and install/unpack in /usr/src/redhat/* or any other > > dir the user chooses like ~/rpmbuild/* (giving user access at the same > > time) > > > This is off-topic for this list. And it's really almost off-topic for > fedora-devel, too. > > If you want to put in a feature request for an application look at that > application's mailing lists and bugzilla. > > Fedora uses the Upstream so asking fedora-test or fedora-devel about new > features is not the best place. > > -sv > > From jorton at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 15:14:28 2004 From: jorton at redhat.com (Joe Orton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:14:28 +0100 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <1098888411.30470.144.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> <1098712175.10115.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027143036.GA11932@redhat.com> <1098888411.30470.144.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> Message-ID: <20041027151428.GA12201@redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:46:51AM -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:30, Joe Orton wrote: > > I'm still trying to understand your suggestion to move the bits of code > > which do "config testing" into a separate /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest > > binary, and how that would avoid the issue. I bring up PHP as an > > example of why this isn't really feasible: the code which involves > > "config testing" is spread all through the modules, so isn't really > > separable. > > Using separate front-end binaries for the different purposes, even if > they share much of the same code, allows SELinux to automatically > distinguish them, e.g. performing a security transition upon exec'ing > the daemon to confine it while not performing a security transition upon > exec'ing the config-testing program. In this case, you don't expect the > config testing code itself to be malicious; you are just concerned about > subversion of the daemon after it is exposed to the network. SELinux > only performs security transitions on exec, as that is the point at > which one can control inheritance of state and the initialization of the > process in the new security context. This makes sense, thanks to you and Colin for explaining this through. It was just the fact that I thought Colin wanted to split up the code which confused me :) > One can also suppress a security transition (subject to policy, of > course), e.g. runcon -- `id -Z` /usr/sbin/httpd -t forces it to run > in your current context rather than transitioning, although doing that > is a bit complicated here by the indirection of several scripts. Easier > in this case to just pipe the output to the caller and let it display it > as Colin did. Using 2>&1 | cat does change the behaviour though which is what I think we should be trying to avoid: it loses the exit value and it loses stdout/stderr separation. I like the idea of using runcon to do this. It looks like: if selinuxenabled; then runcon -- `id -Z` $HTTPD -t else $HTTPD -t fi will DTRT for when SELinux is disabled, too. So is this a general enough solution that I can integrate it: no more gotchas? Regards, joe From walters at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 15:27:15 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:27:15 -0400 Subject: apache configtest In-Reply-To: <20041027151428.GA12201@redhat.com> References: <976AFF30-2329-11D9-A882-000A95A5F576@mac.com> <1098376595.16197.29.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> <20041024111945.GA22242@redhat.com> <1098669353.10115.5.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041025092048.GA24311@redhat.com> <1098712175.10115.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027143036.GA11932@redhat.com> <1098888411.30470.144.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <20041027151428.GA12201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098890835.19734.19.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:14 +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > This makes sense, thanks to you and Colin for explaining this through. > It was just the fact that I thought Colin wanted to split up the code > which confused me :) No, although getting upstream to put the config test in a separate binary would be useful. It would be the same source base of course. They could preserve the functionality in httpd -t for now too. > Using 2>&1 | cat does change the behaviour though which is what I think > we should be trying to avoid: it loses the exit value and it loses > stdout/stderr separation. True. > I like the idea of using runcon to do this. It looks like: > > if selinuxenabled; then > runcon -- `id -Z` $HTTPD -t > else > $HTTPD -t > fi This is possible, but then the workaround for this bug is some code in our init scripts; I'd prefer to get this more "upstream". For example, for now we could cp /usr/sbin/httpd /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest in our .spec file, and change our init script to just run /usr/sbin/httpd-configtest. At the same time, we suggest to upstream that they make this change. It would be useful not only for SELinux, but also for other security systems, e.g. presumably TrustedBSD. Once they have made the change, then we remove the cp from the spec file. Having Fedora-specific code ultimately increases our support burden. From canfield at uindy.edu Wed Oct 27 15:26:16 2004 From: canfield at uindy.edu (D Canfield) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:26:16 -0500 Subject: Averatec Laptop Useless Under FC3RC1 Message-ID: <417FBE18.4050409@uindy.edu> I have no idea where to even begin posting a bugzilla entry for this... I have an Averatec 3200 laptop that installs cleanly under FC2. With both FC3T3 and FC3rc1 the following happened to me: - Boot from CD. When graphical anaconda launches, the screen goes black. The CD continues to run, and if I hit enter after a while, it runs again, so I believe the machine is not locked up... there is just no video. - Try the install again passing "linux nofb" at the boot: prompt. Same result. - Try the install a third time using the text mode installer. Install succeeds, but... - Upon reboot, when the graphical grub should be displayed, the screen goes blank, much the same as when the graphical anaconda tries to load. This leaves my machine unusable, as I can't choose any other boot options. Reinstalling FC2 makes the machine usable again. Any ideas where to begin. Since this seems to affect grub *and* anaconda, I don't know how to file the bug. Seems like a pretty major bug, though. Especially since these laptops worked under FC2. I'm downloading RC2 on the off chance it might help, but I'm not very hopeful. Thanks DC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5201 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From jerone at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 15:33:44 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:33:44 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC1 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <20041026134134.A13973@mail.harddata.com> References: <417E49C9.9080809@earthlink.net> <20041026134134.A13973@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00410270833d5f51e3@mail.gmail.com> what you might want to do is a fresh install. Cups seems to print fine for me using LPD now...earlier it didn't but now it does. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:41:34 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 11:31:35AM -0500, Satish Balay wrote: > > > > I prefer LPRng as: > > - I don't need to configure local cupsd/lpd > > - I can tunnel print commands easily through ssh/portforwarding. > > 'cups' has a serious show-stopper "feature", on the top of various > more or less serious annoyances, if you have an installation with > really remote printers and many users. Once a job left the > originating machine its status is 'done' and 'lpq' will not tell you > more about its status, nor a job identifier on a remote, and 'lprm' > will not remove it even if it is going to sit in queue for the next > two weeks. Your "Print Manager" will just show you a happy picture. > Samba is affected too. That is something which never was a problem > for lpr/LPRng. > > Findinig 'root' for a print server and asking him/her to do a job > removal for us is not a real option although it seems to be > proffered for example here: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.printing.cups.general/1989 > > > If you want to cancel a job which is on the server, > you must do it on the server and you must use > the server's job id: > cancel -h SERVER SERVER'S_JOB_ID > > > If I am misinterpreting what this is saying, and I can really do > that from the originating machine ("SERVER" may not have a shell > login at all), then at least GUI interface for print jobs management > is buggy because it is not doing that for me; but in any case why I > should worry about what is "SERVER" and how a remote queue happen to > be called in the given moment? Apparently I need the last piece of > that puzzle for 'lpstat'. This may be changing outside of my > control and after all I submitted a print job to a local queue. > > Checking possiblity that I do not understand and I should really use > these commands from a submitting account I tried, proposed in the > quoted message from comp.printing.cups.general, > > lpstat -h SERVER -o QUEUE > > (with names for "SERVER" and "QUEUE" I happen to know). I only > got back: "lpstat: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused." > Just lovely! 'cancel -h ...' as above, after I checked that job > id on a server, responded with "Uknown destination". Yes, I can > print. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90619 > ellicited only a comment that apparently this is how this is > "supposed" to be. Ugh! > > Michal > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 15:34:58 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:34:58 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <417FA032.30608@amberpoint.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098814907.23459.20.camel@localhost> <417FA032.30608@amberpoint.com> Message-ID: <1098891298.11702.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Ok, so you're using 128-bit WEP. I assume you enter the raw hex string and pick "128-bit Raw Hex Key" from the dropdown? Is your access point set to allow "Shared Key", "Open System", or both for authentication? Dan On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 06:18 -0700, Bikehead wrote: > I think I have a similar problem with NetworkManager. I have a wireless > network with no broadcast and WEP. No problem I think, I'll add it > using the 'wireless network' selection. It prompts me for an essid, > which I enter, and then a key, which I enter as a raw hex string. Now > most of the time applet will keep prompting me for the key even though I > know its correct. > > __o > _-\<,_ Brian > (_)/ (_) bikehead at amberpoint.com x503 > > > > Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > > >On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > >[snip] > > > > > >>>I also like that I have access to both my wired and wireless interfaces. > >>> > >>> > >>How do you mean? When you only have a wired connection (no wireless > >>card plugged in), the applet will hide itself (somewhat debatable, I > >>think it should show all the time) [snip] > >> > >> > > > >Can you PLEASE make the applet always show up? Please, Please? > > > >Also, I'm not sure I understand how NetworkManagerInfo is supposed to > >work.... > > > >I have a wireless LAN at home, where I have chosen to not broadcast the > >SID, AND I have WEP turned on. I started the NetworkManager service, > >and started NetworkManagerInfo. It was unable to find or associate to > >the SID, of course. So I selected "Other wireless networks..." from the > >menu, and was able to put my SID in, but that's as far as I got. > >NetworkManagerInfo came back with an error of some sort. I'm assuming > >that it was trying to associate to the AP, but since it didn't have any > >information for the WEP key, it wasn't able to. > > > >Am I doing something wrong? I did read the docs that came with > >NetworkManager and didn't find anything related to WEP. It would seem to > >make sense to me that the popup for "put your ESSID in here" should also > >include information like alternative channels, rate, and WEP key, > >shouldn't it? I agree that it should only ask for this once, but it > >should ask for it once, shouldn't it? > > > >TIA! > > > > > > > > > > > From surak at casa.surak.eti.br Wed Oct 27 14:45:14 2004 From: surak at casa.surak.eti.br (Alexandre Strube) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:45:14 -0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098886577.2725.40.camel@kyrre> References: <1098886649.23875.14.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098886577.2725.40.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098888314.14489.3.camel@preview> Em Qua, 2004-10-27 ?s 12:16, Kyrre Ness Sjobak escreveu: > What does that do to NFS? How does NFS handle a lot of small files? NFS is not related with this. Reiser and Ext3 are local file systems, while nfs stands for "network file system". It is used for mapping remote directories (or mount points, whatever), which is similar (sort of) with windows using its netbios protocol. As you know, you can mount a remote directory with windows no matter the remote machine has ntfs, fat32, fat16 or even a linux with ext3 or reiser or anything. The same applies to nfs. It does not matter your local filesystem, nor the remote filesystem. You can use reiserfs on your machine and mount, for instance, a HPFS filesystem from a remote machine using NFS. > ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.17 skrev Borkowski Dariusz: > > >Wouldn't it be an anaconda bug not to do this, ie. not automatically > > >disable SELinux (and warn about it) when reiserfs is used? > > > > >BTW. What does Reiser provide that ext does'nt? > > > > Reiser is better in recovering after sudden power off. I had problems > > with ext3. After few power downs I lost some files. With reiserfs I have > > never lost one file in similar situation. It seems (but here I may be > > wrong) that reisers is faster when processing big amount of small files. > > > > Darek Borkowski > > > > >ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 13.58 skrev Timothy Sandel: > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:46 +0200, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after > > booting > > > > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before > > formatting > > > > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied > > that > > > > it was because of SELinux. > > > > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs > > partition > > > > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > > > > ReiserFS? > > > > > > > This has been answered numerous times on this list... > > > You must disable selinux at boot. > > > > > > linux reiserfs selinux=0 > > > > > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Darek Borkowski From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 15:55:31 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:55:31 -0600 Subject: No sound on FC2 to FC3T3 update... artsd going nuts Message-ID: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sound doesn't work on my laptop with FC3T3. It did with FC2. Here is the vital info: On login I get this message: Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) The sound server will continue, using the null output device. Sometimes after login I get this message: Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting In hwbrowser I find: Sound cards: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller Manufacturer: Unknown Driver: snd-intel8x0 If I run system-config-sound: The following audio device was detected: When I press "Play Test Sound" the application hangs. If I run tops, I find that artsd hogs the cpu cycles like crazy. In dmesg everything looks normal as far as errors go. There doesn't appear to be a driver loaded for sound. Here is the only stuff I see that might be related to sound: ICH5: chipset revision 2 ICH5: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2 codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2 codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x18 codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x18 All other logs are clean. In /etc, I have a asound.state and an alsa dir. asound.state looks normal and only contains stuff about mixer. asound.conf is not present. in /etc/alsa, I have alsa.conf. There is nothing special in it. /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by parport_pc 24705 1 lp 11565 0 parport 41736 2 parport_pc,lp autofs4 24005 0 i2c_dev 10433 0 i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev ds 16965 2 sunrpc 160421 1 ipt_REJECT 6465 1 ipt_state 1857 1 ip_conntrack 40693 1 ipt_state iptable_filter 2753 1 ip_tables 16193 3 ipt_REJECT,ipt_state,iptable_filter microcode 6497 0 dm_mod 54741 0 button 6481 0 battery 8517 0 ac 4805 0 md5 4033 1 ipv6 232577 10 joydev 8705 0 ohci1394 35033 0 ieee1394 302869 1 ohci1394 yenta_socket 18753 0 pcmcia_core 59913 2 ds,yenta_socket uhci_hcd 31449 0 ehci_hcd 31557 0 hw_random 5589 0 snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 snd_intel8x0 34829 3 snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 5 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 15 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_ oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uar t,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9889 1 snd ndiswrapper 114744 0 8139too 26305 0 mii 4673 1 8139too ext3 116809 2 jbd 74969 1 ext3 I figured out how to turn off aRts: Start->Control Center -> Sound and Multi.->Sound System-> General. Turn off the "Enable the Sound System" option. I also tried changing the audio device on the Hardware tab to alsa, with no effect. I've update to kernel 2.6.9-1.643 and I've updated alsa to 1.0.6-3. Any advice ? How do I troubleshoot this ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 16:05:23 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:05:23 -0600 Subject: No sound on FC2 to FC3T3 update... artsd going nuts In-Reply-To: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098893123.22068.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> $ system-config-soundcard Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo Warning: rate is not accurate (requested = 44100Hz, got = 48000Hz) please, try the plug plugin (-Dplug:hw:0,0) aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error Here I am running system-config-soundcard with system sound disabled in controlcenter. I can fix the 44.1khz problem if I enable sound in controlcenter, but then artsd goes nuts. BTW: I don't have alsaconfig installed on my machine, not that I can find. Google archives talk about it. I looked in the changelog and it appears to have been removed from later alsa versions. Am I correct on this ? From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 27 16:27:33 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:27:33 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <417FCC75.1080504@earthlink.net> Timothy Sandel wrote: > Just installed FC3 rc2. Really sweet. > > ISSUES: > > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > dialogs). > This is deselected by default - needs to be manually selected. Gerry From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 16:37:07 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:37:07 -0600 Subject: Synaptics touch pad not working to fullest on FC2 to FC3T3 upgrade Message-ID: <1098895027.22560.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> My HP7280 has a Synaptics touchpad as verified in both Windows XP and Linux. I've read in the list of an enhanced functionality driver for this touchpad, ie includes working scrollbar. The scroll bar on mine does not work. Touch tapping does work and it did not in FC2. Furthermore, I am operating with a USB wireless optical mouse and the touchpad. Only one device, ie "Mouse" is displayed in Start- >ControlCenter->Peripherals->Mouse. The touchpad does respond to the changes made in the "Mouse" settings, but so does the optical mouse. There is no way to turn the tap select or scrolling on or off. Questions: Should a second device ie "Touchpad" appear in this list ? Why doesn't my touchpad have scrolling like the others are talking about ? Thanks. Info to follow: $/sbin/lsmod: doesn't show anything about Synaptics, mouse or touchpad. hwbrowser: Pointing devices shows 2 items: Logitech Cordless Mouse and SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad. The Logitech uses driver genericwheelusb and is /dev/input/mice The Synaptics uses driver synaptics and is /dev/input/mice $cat /proc/bus/devices I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41 N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" P: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0 H: Handlers=kbd event0 B: EV=120013 B: KEY=4 2000000 3802078 f840d001 f2ffffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe B: MSC=10 B: LED=7 I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0007 Version=0000 N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 H: Handlers=mouse0 event1 B: EV=b B: KEY=6420 0 70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B: ABS=11000003 I: Bus=0003 Vendor=046d Product=c505 Version=1711 N: Name="Logitech USB Receiver" P: Phys=usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input0 H: Handlers=kbd event2 B: EV=12000b B: KEY=10000 7 ff800000 7ff febeffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe B: ABS=100 0 B: LED=fc1f I: Bus=0003 Vendor=046d Product=c505 Version=1711 N: Name="Logitech USB Receiver" P: Phys=usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input1 H: Handlers=kbd mouse1 event3 B: EV=12000f B: KEY=ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff 0 0 1878 d800d100 1e0000 0 0 0 B: REL=103 B: ABS=100 0 B: LED=fc00 -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 16:46:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:46:27 -0600 Subject: No sound on FC2 to FC3T3 update... artsd going nuts In-Reply-To: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098895587.22560.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> $ cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.6 emulation code) Kernel: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.9-1.643 #1 Fri Oct 22 14:48:08 EDT 2004i686 Config options: 0 Installed drivers: Type 10: ALSA emulation Card config: Intel ICH5 at 0xd0000c00, irq 10 Audio devices: 0: Intel ICH5 (DUPLEX) Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG Timers: 7: system timer Mixers: 0: Conexant id 30 -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From perbj at stanford.edu Wed Oct 27 16:47:11 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:47:11 -0700 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098886394.2725.35.camel@kyrre> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> <1098886394.2725.35.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098895631.2917.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 07:13, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > SuSE 9.1 used reiser as defaut, didn't they? I think so, and SUSE are effectively maintaining ReiserFS 3 nowadays, Hans Reiser isn't interested in it anymore, he just wants to push Reiser4. > Anyway, ill go for reiser when it becomes default for Fedora. You can safely assume that this is "never" (given that Reiser4 is a separate filesystem). If (huge "if"!) Reiser4 does dominate the world in a few years that might get used, but ReiserFS 3 is pretty much just kept alive by SUSE now, and is unlikely to see any major further development, not the least since Hans Reiser always actively tries to bad-mouth changes going into it, since he wants people to focus on Reiser4. > ext is "good enough" anyway. And is actively developed and improved on. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 16:52:41 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Why RCs on different locations? (was: FC3rc2 - please test) In-Reply-To: <20041027102102.GD31334@neu.nirvana> References: <20041027102102.GD31334@neu.nirvana> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 06:57:11PM -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > why aren't RCs published on downloads.fedora.redhat.com which is > automatically mirrored by several locations world-wide? Because it currently takes a few days warning plus a day of lead time to make things available there. > And as aside note: what should bugs be filed against? Bugzilla has no > fc3rcN, in the current selection only "devel" would make sense. Filing them against test3 or against devel should both work. -- Elliot From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 16:57:00 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:57:00 -0600 Subject: "Find Files" hangs. In-Reply-To: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098892531.21964.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098896220.22560.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> This might be a KDE thing, but I'll report it anyway. FindFiles hangs regularly. I haven't found a pattern, but here is one that works reliably on my machine: Named: Myproject Look in: file/home/krlux Include subdirectories: enabled. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From kewley at caltech.edu Wed Oct 27 16:57:36 2004 From: kewley at caltech.edu (David Kewley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:57:36 -0700 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: <1098887079.3018.21.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> <1098885752.2725.23.camel@kyrre> <1098887079.3018.21.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <200410270957.36946.kewley@caltech.edu> Mark Haney wrote on Wednesday 27 October 2004 07:24: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:02, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > testing.fedora.redhat.com > > > > RC2 is the latest > > So I should download the latest boot.iso image from there if I want to > do an FTP install of the latest? Yes. It worked for me last night (but with http instead of ftp). Mirror is at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ David From jeffy5 at optonline.net Wed Oct 27 16:57:46 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:57:46 -0400 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> References: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200410271257.47016.jeffy5@optonline.net> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 12:39 am, Gerry Tool wrote: > Elliot Lee wrote: > > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > > > This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please > > speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your > > peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on > > FC3rc1. > > > > Cheers, > > -- Elliot > > Flawless install and initial setup. > > Networked LPD print server printing still does not work with this kernel > 643. > > Gerry Tool To comment further, Networked CUPS printing does not work with this kernel, either. I know this because I installed another distribution of Linux (Mandrake 10.0 ) on another computer on which I installed Fedora Core 3rc3 and to which the printer was attached and voil?, networked printing works like a charm. When I go through Start Menu- Preferences- Print Manager (I have the KDE desktop environment) , I can even see the printer over the network without having to establish any settings to print to that computer. For some reason, there seems to be a problem with this computer (I have Fedora Core 3/rc3 and it installed without a hitch) even seeing other printers over the local network with Fedora Core 3rc3 on that machine. The folks at Fedora need to look into this. From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 16:57:54 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Mark Haney wrote: > Okay where'd RC1 come from? I think I missed that memo. Is it just > another name for T3? The release candidate trees are trees that are candidates to be released as FC3. I make them available in the interests of keeping you all involved during the final stages of this FC3 release cycle. RC[12] are not "official" milestone releases in the same sense as test1/test2/test3/final - the RC labels are just labels, which I use so that we have a common language to use when talking about various trees. Cheers, -- Elliot From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 17:02:41 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:02:41 -0600 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <200410271257.47016.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> <200410271257.47016.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1098896561.22560.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> This affects me too. Last week I spend about a day trying to get network printing working from my laptop to a desktop machine. It seems I have the same symptoms and outcome as Jeffrey. In situations like this, where there is a known "issue", it would be very handy to have a list of known issues for the service/package so that one doesn't spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get it to work. I searched the web for setup tips, troubleshooting info, etc. and never once did I come across anything saying this was an issue. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 17:04:02 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:04:02 -0400 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <200410271257.47016.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> <200410271257.47016.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <604aa79104102710043f8ed5d3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:57:46 -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > The folks at Fedora need to look into this. Is there a bug report open about your specific problem accessing cups servers? I have very very minor problems on my home lan accessing the cups server on the network, but I can connect and I can print to the printers managed by the cups server on the network. If you want other people to look into this, reference a bug report about the issue, so we can report back on the bug report that matters. -jef From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 17:04:32 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > work with only 1 CD. We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump other more important stuff off of CD1... > 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be > 1800x1440. Hmm, I've heard other reports of problems with DDC probing, and occasionally seen them myself. Please add details onto an existing bugzilla report, or create a new bug. > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. Hmm, we'd need more details on this one. Please look for an existing bugzilla report and comment on it, or create a new bug. > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > dialogs). To select particular packages to install, you'd need to do detailed package selection in anaconda during the install. After installation, you can use yum or up2date to install the package. -- Elliot From gstool at earthlink.net Wed Oct 27 17:08:19 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:08:19 -0500 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> References: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <417FD603.9070900@earthlink.net> Gerry Tool wrote: > Elliot Lee wrote: > >> http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ >> >> Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ >> >> This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please >> speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your >> peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on >> FC3rc1. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Elliot >> > Flawless install and initial setup. > > Networked LPD print server printing still does not work with this kernel > 643. > > Gerry Tool > Sorry, I forgot to mention the bug number: bugzilla #133064 Gerry From jeffy5 at optonline.net Wed Oct 27 17:15:28 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:15:28 -0400 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <200410271315.28341.jeffy5@optonline.net> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 11:06 am, Timothy Sandel wrote: > Just installed FC3 rc2. Really sweet. > > ISSUES: > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > work with only 1 CD. > 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be > 1800x1440. > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > dialogs). > > Timothy > > amd athlon mp2000 > adaptec 29160 > pioneer DVD-ROM DVD-305 Also, I also notice that during the install, if you choose to only install the KDE desktop environment, you always have to choose in the sessions menu on startup "KDE" or otherwise you will get an X Window display. Isn't there a setting that would allow you to set KDE as the default setting instead of getting a X Window display? From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 27 17:17:51 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:17:51 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC1 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00410270833d5f51e3@mail.gmail.com>; from jerone@gmail.com on Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:33:44AM -0500 References: <417E49C9.9080809@earthlink.net> <20041026134134.A13973@mail.harddata.com> <9f50a7a00410270833d5f51e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041027111751.A13191@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:33:44AM -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > what you might want to do is a fresh install. Cups seems to print fine > for me using LPD now... In a message to which you responded (using top-posting) I did not write anything about troubles with printing by itself. As a matter of fact I explicitely wrote " Yes, I can print". I wrote about printing control. This is a different issue if somewhat related and, what is worse, apparently swept under a rug; probably beacuse with cups and cups only this was always thoroughly broken. Michal From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 17:18:40 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <1098855719.3425.4.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> References: <1098855719.3425.4.camel@ip68-7-36-36.sd.sd.cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Scott Talbot wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 18:57 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > > > This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please > > speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your > > peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on > > FC3rc1. > > > > Cheers, > > -- Elliot > Released with fedora-release-2.92 vice 3-rawhide. Is this by design > or oversight? (no yum.conf or up2date/sources) Once the name vote on fedora-devel-list finishes, I'll get a final fedora-release package out. > Tried to update test 2, failed midway could not install yp-bind (i > think) started over with fresh install went completely smoothe It would be very interesting to know the details of the failure. Bug reports related to upgrades from FC2 are especially interesting. -- Elliot From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 17:19:36 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:19:36 -0600 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <200410271315.28341.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <200410271315.28341.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <1098897576.22560.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> To change the default environment to KDE, as root, edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop to contain only the following line, including the quote marks: DESKTOP="KDE" ie: su kwrite /etc/sysconfig/desktop Change DESKTOP=?GNOME? to DESKTOP=?KDE? Save the file. The next time you login, KDE will be the default environment. My apologies to GNOME enthusiasts ! On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 13:15 -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > On Wednesday 27 October 2004 11:06 am, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > Just installed FC3 rc2. Really sweet. > > > > ISSUES: > > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > work with only 1 CD. > > 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be > > 1800x1440. > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. > > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > > dialogs). > > > > Timothy > > > > amd athlon mp2000 > > adaptec 29160 > > pioneer DVD-ROM DVD-305 > Also, > > I also notice that during the install, if you choose to only install the > KDE desktop environment, you always have to choose in the sessions menu on > startup "KDE" or otherwise you will get an X Window display. Isn't there a > setting that would allow you to set KDE as the default setting instead of > getting a X Window display? > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From david at fubar.dk Wed Oct 27 17:27:41 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:27:41 -0400 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1098898061.10058.46.camel@davidz> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:06 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" Timothy, try to put this true in a file called scsi-cdrom.fdi in the /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy directory and restart the haldaemon ('service haldaemon restart'). Does that make things work? The thing is, we don't automatically put in entries for SCSI devices since they may not be close to the computer (e.g. iSCSI); we might want to relax that a bit in the default policy - Alan, does this sound sane to you? Cheers, David From ngc4013 at cox.net Wed Oct 27 17:26:42 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (ngc4013 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices Message-ID: <20041027172645.DZRE14671.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Harald wrote: > what is printed in /var/log/messages for your second RAID box? > In rc.sysinit: /sbin/mdadm ?A ?s > is run if /etc/mdadm.conf is present First there is an error in the dmesg output that I find to be intense: Program scsi_unique_id is using a deprecated scsi ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO Many many lines of this message As for my RAID boxes here is what I have found out so far: If I run at the prompt ?/sbin/mdadm ?A ?s? it exits with the following message: mdadm: error opening /dev/md1: No such file or directoy I decided to update the FC3t3 to FC3rc1 and discovered something interesting which sheds some light on the problem. When disk druid started up and I flagged the two partitions I needed to reformat and set the mount points, I noticed for the first time, since I currently had both RAID boxes connected yet, that the two RAID boxes showed up in the drive listing. Now I can see what part or possibly all of the problems I am seeing are caused by. Both RAID boxes are listed as /dev/md0 obviously they both can not operate as /dev/md0, but now it makes sense. I figure that when creating a RAID box part of the superblock structure carries the info regarding the drive configuration and /dev/md? tag. A little history about the RAID boxes, both were created on separate servers as /dev/md0 connections. I would assume that when the RAID box is auto detected that it reads in the md0 tag and passes it to udev which now can not setup a connection because the md0 tag is already accounted for with the first RAID box which also accounts for the lack of the /dev/md1 file being created. This also means that if I move the other two RAID boxes over to the U160 SCSI ports that now the problem will be recreated again two more times since they are also setup as /dev/md0. So now the question is how can the md0 tag be changed to an md1 tag without destroying the data on the RAID box and will it actually then fix the problem? BTW, if you need them I can email the configuration files directly to you such as the /etc/mdadm.conf file. Also, why does the system insist on automatically creating /media/scsidevice and /media/scsidevice1 mount points for the first SCSI drive from each RAID box? Bill From mhaney at interactsys.com Wed Oct 27 17:32:31 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:32:31 -0400 Subject: RC1? In-Reply-To: References: <1098884342.3018.12.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Message-ID: <1098898351.3018.45.camel@marius.asheville.interact> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 12:57, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Mark Haney wrote: > > > Okay where'd RC1 come from? I think I missed that memo. Is it just > > another name for T3? > > The release candidate trees are trees that are candidates to be released > as FC3. I make them available in the interests of keeping you all involved > during the final stages of this FC3 release cycle. > > RC[12] are not "official" milestone releases in the same sense as > test1/test2/test3/final - the RC labels are just labels, which I use so > that we have a common language to use when talking about various trees. > > Cheers, > -- Elliot Oooh! Okay. I'm cool with that. I just wasn't sure where that came from since I've been a loyal Fedora user since the pre-FC1 days and never heard that verbage used on the lists before. Thanks for clarifying. I think RC releases are fine as 'official' or 'unofficial', it just got me confused. Lord knows I don't need any help with that. :) -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 13:30:42 up 5:51, 1 user, load average: 4.10, 3.63, 3.22 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mpeters at mac.com Wed Oct 27 17:36:08 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:36:08 +0000 Subject: Volume Control not working In-Reply-To: <1098886529.2725.38.camel@kyrre> (from kyrre@solution-forge.net on Wed Oct 27 07:15:29 2004) References: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <1098886529.2725.38.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098898568l.10574l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/27/2004 07:15:29 AM, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > I admit being an advocate for the removal of the OSS control from > gnome-volume-thingy, as it is just in the way for most people... > > Maybe it should simply have a check in a menu "use OSS"? No - I think the proper solution is changes to the alsa mixer. The surround sound stuff should be in a separate tab etc. I think you were correct to object to both being there. I did get it to work - under OSS just turning up pcm got it to work. The alsa mixer also had a mute checkbox that didn't uncheck itself when the mixer was turned up. This is a bug. I will file a bug report when I get back from school. >From the Help documentation - "When you adjust the fader of a muted channel, GNOME Volume Control deselects the Muteoption for that mixer." (see the usage section) The alsa-mixer did not do that, that was expected behaviour because that is how it worked in the OSS mixer and what the documentation says happens, but I had to actually uncheck the mute option to get sound. As far as the interface - it needs to be cleaned. All the mixers should not be in the same tab, that just makes it confusing. The UI to the alsa mixer needs to be cleaned up - I don't have surround sound, I have no need for all those 3D/surround sound options which are inbetween options I do need - like master, pcm, and line. From ngc4013 at cox.net Wed Oct 27 17:51:51 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (ngc4013 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:51:51 -0400 Subject: Reiserfs question Message-ID: <20041027175147.SMFQ20518.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> In the past I too have lost data due to power outages and ext2 or ext3 filesystems, but now I have exclusively been using reiserfs for about 5 years now on all my boot drives and on my RAID boxes. I typically see >25% speed increase when writing out large files and accessing them for processing purposes and have had zero data loss. Reiserfs4 is looking like it will provide >60% increase in file writes and a boost in file reads... wish it was ready for prime time. Bill Em Qua, 2004-10-27 ?s 12:16, Kyrre Ness Sjobak escreveu: > What does that do to NFS? How does NFS handle a lot of small files? > NFS is not related with this. Reiser and Ext3 are local file systems, > while nfs stands for "network file system". It is used for mapping > remote directories (or mount points, whatever), which is similar (sort > of) with windows using its netbios protocol. As you know, you can mount > a remote directory with windows no matter the remote machine has ntfs, > fat32, fat16 or even a linux with ext3 or reiser or anything. > The same applies to nfs. It does not matter your local filesystem, nor > the remote filesystem. You can use reiserfs on your machine and mount, > for instance, a HPFS filesystem from a remote machine using NFS. From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 18:01:13 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:01:13 -0600 Subject: Open office lost file associations during FC2 to FC3T3 upgrade. Message-ID: <1098900073.23168.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know much more about it than that. Spreadsheets (.sxc) and documents (.sxw) do not automatically open anymore. They did in FC2. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From kyrre at solution-forge.net Wed Oct 27 18:01:55 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:01:55 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098888314.14489.3.camel@preview> References: <1098886649.23875.14.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098886577.2725.40.camel@kyrre> <1098888314.14489.3.camel@preview> Message-ID: <1098900115.6882.4.camel@kyrre> I know perfectly well that nfs is a Network File System. But how will using reiser as a backend affect performance, as seen from a client, of a nfs mounted fs (such as /home)? Because if NFS can't really handle lots of small files, then you effectively loose that advantage reiser may have over ext3 etc. ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.45 skrev Alexandre Strube: > Em Qua, 2004-10-27 ?s 12:16, Kyrre Ness Sjobak escreveu: > > What does that do to NFS? How does NFS handle a lot of small files? > > NFS is not related with this. Reiser and Ext3 are local file systems, > while nfs stands for "network file system". It is used for mapping > remote directories (or mount points, whatever), which is similar (sort > of) with windows using its netbios protocol. As you know, you can mount > a remote directory with windows no matter the remote machine has ntfs, > fat32, fat16 or even a linux with ext3 or reiser or anything. > > The same applies to nfs. It does not matter your local filesystem, nor > the remote filesystem. You can use reiserfs on your machine and mount, > for instance, a HPFS filesystem from a remote machine using NFS. > > > ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 16.17 skrev Borkowski Dariusz: > > > >Wouldn't it be an anaconda bug not to do this, ie. not automatically > > > >disable SELinux (and warn about it) when reiserfs is used? > > > > > > >BTW. What does Reiser provide that ext does'nt? > > > > > > Reiser is better in recovering after sudden power off. I had problems > > > with ext3. After few power downs I lost some files. With reiserfs I have > > > never lost one file in similar situation. It seems (but here I may be > > > wrong) that reisers is faster when processing big amount of small files. > > > > > > Darek Borkowski > > > > > > >ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 13.58 skrev Timothy Sandel: > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:46 +0200, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > how to install FC3 with ReiseFS? I tried it with FC3test2 (after > > > booting > > > > > ISO typed: linux reiserfs) but installer stops just before > > > formatting > > > > > partitions. I sent a bug to bugzilla.redhat.com and someone replied > > > that > > > > > it was because of SELinux. > > > > > I have question. It is possible to install (format) reiserfs > > > partition > > > > > with SELinux enabled? Or if not how to disable SELinux and enable > > > > > ReiserFS? > > > > > > > > > This has been answered numerous times on this list... > > > > You must disable selinux at boot. > > > > > > > > linux reiserfs selinux=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > Darek Borkowski > From goemon at anime.net Wed Oct 27 18:18:45 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ntfs kernel module In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > ah, now i see. just to clarify, does *all* filesystem access > (including NTFS) go thru the VFS? or are there some filesystems that > differ sufficiently from the VFS model that they provide their own ... > access implementations? (not sure that's the best way to phrase it, > but i'm sure you know what i mean.) XFS had a translation layer (perhaps still do) to interface their irix code to the kernel. I dont know if they bypassed VFS or if they did their own thing. But they had serious corruption issues for a very long time. And still have design flaws which prevent me from using XFS in production (the inability to fsck a read-only mounted fs being one of them). -Dan From gafton at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 18:19:34 2004 From: gafton at redhat.com (Cristian Gafton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <417F828A.4070506@carwyn.com> References: <417F828A.4070506@carwyn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Carwyn Edwards wrote: > >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > > >Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > > >This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. > > > Is there any particular reason that this tree lives in a different > location to the stable and development trees? (download.fedora.redhat.com) Yes, at least 2 reasons: a. download.fedora.redhat.com requires several days lead time to stage a new tree on, plus additional days time to let the mirrors pull down the bits. Pushing an RC tree to download.fedora would effectively create a *lot* of mirror traffic instead of making bits accessible immediately to those intersted. b. We're testing a new configuration for the backend stuff on testing.fedora.redhat.com and an RC tree looked like an ideal candidate. So, in essence, you're not only testing the software, you're also testing the new configuration for the infrastructure. I'm experimenting on y'all. Cristian -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cristian Gafton -- gafton at redhat.com -- Red Hat, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Linux is a leprosy; and is having a deleterious effect on the U.S. IT industry because it is steadily depreciating the value of the software industry sector." -- Kenneth Brown, President, Alexis de Tocqueville Institution From goemon at anime.net Wed Oct 27 18:21:30 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Alexandre Strube wrote: > Some people says it's faster, some people say it's safer. I use it as > default in my own distribution (debian-based), and has not a single > problem with it, even when electricity suddenly comes down. (This cannot > be said for ext3, as a energy interruption screwed my redhat9 ext3 raid0 > server). Same here, we've had numerous catastrophic filesystem failures with ext3 in production systems. -Dan From canfield at uindy.edu Wed Oct 27 18:24:23 2004 From: canfield at uindy.edu (D Canfield) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:24:23 -0500 Subject: Averatec Laptop Useless Under FC3RC1 In-Reply-To: <20041027120851.C13191@mail.harddata.com> References: <417FBE18.4050409@uindy.edu> <20041027120851.C13191@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <417FE7D7.8020509@uindy.edu> Michal Jaegermann wrote: >>- Try the install a third time using the text mode installer. Install >>succeeds, but... >>- Upon reboot, when the graphical grub should be displayed, the screen >>goes blank, >> >> > >I have not a clue about your laptop but you mean here 'rhgb' or >a grub menu? If it is rhgb which gives you troubles then you >can hit 'a' on grub screen and replace 'rhgb' boot option with '3'. >What then? What about '1' instead of '3' (and no 'rhgb' of course). >Or maybe just dropping rhgb is enough (the same as replacing 'rhgb' >with '5' for a default installation). > >Once you booted to a shell prompt it is always easier to try >figure out what next and how to start X. If you can install in >a text mode then you can surely boot to at least level 3. > >If it is really a grub menu then this is mighty weird as there is >really nothing "graphical" at this moment yet. What if you will >boot into a rescue and comment out "splash" from your grub.conf? It >is there only to make things "pretty". > > Michal > > I truly mean grub. As in, the machine says "loading grub stage2..." (if I remember correctly) and then instantly black-screens. There is no grub menu where I could change the runlevel or anything. I'm guessing whatever issue this is, is a VESA-level issue of some kind. 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Paiz) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:28:23 -0600 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1098901704.3365.57.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:04 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > work with only 1 CD. > > We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump > other more important stuff off of CD1... > So why the heck is reiserfs-utils included in the package list for the "Minimal" install, then? It's not that commonly used, it's not on disc 1, it's not "supported"... why bloat the package list? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michal From perbj at stanford.edu Wed Oct 27 18:32:05 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:32:05 -0700 Subject: Shock-wave flash viewers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098901924.2917.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 11:25, Harry Putnam wrote: > What are people using to view web pages with: > > application/x-shockwave-flash content There's an RPM package of the Macromedia Flash plugin at http://macromedia.mplug.org/ I presume that the FC2 packages should work for rawhide/FC3 as well. Haven't tried myself yet though. /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 18:34:17 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:34:17 -0600 Subject: Averatec Laptop Useless Under FC3RC1 In-Reply-To: <20041027123019.D13191@mail.harddata.com> References: <417FBE18.4050409@uindy.edu> <20041027120851.C13191@mail.harddata.com> <417FE7D7.8020509@uindy.edu> <20041027123019.D13191@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098902057.23375.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'd boot with a rescue disk (Fedora or otherwise), mount the boot partition and take a look at what has been installed in /boot and take a look at grub.conf. (/boot/grub) I suspect that there is a file missing or something is wrong in grub.conf. I had a similar problem to this when I was first updating kernels in RH8. The problem then was that I had one of the partition descriptors wrong in grub.conf. On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 12:30 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:24:23PM -0500, D Canfield wrote: > > > > > I truly mean grub. As in, the machine says "loading grub stage2..." (if > > I remember correctly) and then instantly black-screens. > > So what would happen if you would switch off splash? Then you are > really at "characters only" interface. > > Michal > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From maillists at awcconsulting.com Wed Oct 27 18:36:34 2004 From: maillists at awcconsulting.com (AWC Maillists) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:36:34 -0400 Subject: Understanding volume manager Message-ID: <417FEAB2.1080402@awcconsulting.com> Ok, I am trying out FC3 RC2... installing on two identically configured machines: HP Proliant ml330 g3 768mb RAM Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA Enclosure Kit 4 300GB SATA Maxtor drives configured as RAID5 I have not used the onboard IDE or the onboard IDE raid as they are evil non-standard beasts - but with the above RAID I'm not too upset. Now I have a question about the new (to me) Volume Manager options when partitioning the drive. In the past I would partition the drive as follows: 100mb - /boot 15gb - / 152mb - swap partition Remainder of drive - /home With the above I can install a new OS easily by simply formatting the first three partitions and leaving the /home parition alone so the data is available with a fresh install. BUT, I would never be able to resize the /home partition unless I wanted to delete the partition and lose the data on the partition. Now with the LVM option I am thinking of doing the following: Create 100mb /boot parition (outside of the volume) Creating one Volume Group for the remainder of the array called: RAID5Array In that Group create three Logical Volume names: LinuxDrive = / = 15gb SwapFile = Swap partition = 1520mb HomeDrive = /home = Remainder of array ~840gb With this setup I should be able to the following: - Resize any of the Logical Volume Names without destroying data - Add a second RAID5 array - make it part of the RAID5Array and then add the new capacity to either a new Logical Volume Name or to expand one (or more) of the existing Logical Volumes to use the new storage capacity. This can be done without destroying any data. I just have some questions regarding this: 1) Soooo, is my understanding of LVM correct, or am I missing something very important? 2) Is these any performance hit with using LVM versus the older method of paritioning the hard drive? If posting this query here is incorrect, I apologize, but Volumes are being created when your use "autopartition" during the install process in FC3. (And FC2 did not create volumes during the autopartition stage... so I ignored it back then.) So I thought I would ask here - but if I should ask this elsewhere I would appreciate being pointed in the correct direction. Thanks. --- Charles From gene.heskett at verizon.net Wed Oct 27 18:43:22 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:43:22 -0400 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: <417F828A.4070506@carwyn.com> Message-ID: <200410271443.22282.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 14:19, Cristian Gafton wrote: >On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Carwyn Edwards wrote: >> >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ >> > >> >Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ >> > >> >This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and >> > testing. >> >> Is there any particular reason that this tree lives in a different >> location to the stable and development trees? >> (download.fedora.redhat.com) > >Yes, at least 2 reasons: > >a. download.fedora.redhat.com requires several days lead time to > stage a new tree on, plus additional days time to let the mirrors > pull down the bits. Pushing an RC tree to download.fedora would > effectively create a *lot* of mirror traffic instead of making bits > accessible immediately to those intersted. > >b. We're testing a new configuration for the backend stuff on >testing.fedora.redhat.com and an RC tree looked like an ideal > candidate. > >So, in essence, you're not only testing the software, you're also > testing the new configuration for the infrastructure. I'm > experimenting on y'all. > >Cristian Well, I'd say the 'backend' is working pretty well so far, Christian. Full pipe speeds from redhat, thats so unusual its got me making marks on the wall! However, for FC3RC1, I had to reget 7 of the 9 images due to md5sum failures, the last SRPMS-disk4, 5 times. My fault, verizons or yours? DamnedifIknow. So this time I'm using wget instead of mozilla. It just started on disk4 of the srcs, rescuecd and MD5SUM to go, so I should have it all in about 3 hours so I can run an md5sum on them, slow DSL, too fur from the CO (11,800 feet) to upgrade. :-( -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From linxt at comcast.net Wed Oct 27 18:59:22 2004 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:59:22 -0700 Subject: FC3rc1 - firefox problem In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04102706327b434ea2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410261925.02069.linxt@comcast.net> <77e74f3e04102706327b434ea2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410271159.22526.linxt@comcast.net> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 06:32, Amitabha Roy wrote: > I think the problem is that you probably did not create a clean profile > after the upgrade, > > >From the prompt, type firefox --p > > (this brings up firefox profiles, create a new profile and import data > from old profile). > > If you have already done this, then delete the firefox directory under > .mozilla and restart firefox (make backup before you do). Create a new > profile and import from backup. > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:25:01 -0700, Thomas Taylor wrote: > > Hi all: > > Thanks, Amitabha. That took care of the problem. -- Tom Taylor Registered linux user #263467 From sopwith at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 18:59:41 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098901704.3365.57.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098901704.3365.57.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:04 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > > work with only 1 CD. > > > > We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump > > other more important stuff off of CD1... > > > > So why the heck is reiserfs-utils included in the package list for the > "Minimal" install, then? It's not that commonly used, it's not on disc > 1, it's not "supported"... why bloat the package list? Interesting question. reiserfs-utils is not listed in the 'comps' file so I don't know how it gets considered a 'minimal' package. Is there another package that Requires: reiserfs-utils? -- Elliot From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Oct 27 18:59:31 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:59:31 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098898061.10058.46.camel@davidz> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098898061.10058.46.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1098903571.5147.6.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:27 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:06 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > Timothy, try to put this > > > > > > > true > > > > > > in a file called scsi-cdrom.fdi in the /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy > directory and restart the haldaemon ('service haldaemon restart'). Does > that make things work? > Nope. Not a really big deal. I manually created an fstab entry and mount point for the dvd. Just no automount. A little added info. I have a dvd-writer on /dev/hdc also. Thanks for your input though. > The thing is, we don't automatically put in entries for SCSI devices > since they may not be close to the computer (e.g. iSCSI); we might want > to relax that a bit in the default policy - Alan, does this sound sane > to you? > > Cheers, > David > From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 19:08:27 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:08:27 -0600 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098903571.5147.6.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098898061.10058.46.camel@davidz> <1098903571.5147.6.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1098904107.23375.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I ran into a similar situation when I upgraded from FC2 to FC3T3. When I first logged in the CDROM was inaccessible and accessing it froze file manager. I got around this problem by removing entries in fstab, automount and disabling the session manager from restoring previous sessions. (It would try to mount the cdrom.) My drive is an IDE, not scsi and I'm not using scsi emulation, although I might want to to make cdparanoia work better (faster.) Once I disabled the mentioned settings, Linux correctly sensed and operated the drive. I believe my drive is mounted in /media as dvdcdrom or something like that as well as /dev/hdc. I've got my system set so that unmounted partitions appear on the desktop. I then right click, mount and access the drive. It works well. BTW: It would be nice in KDE to differentiate between unmounted CDROM partitions and unmounted hard drive partitions. With the fstab entry from fc2 left in place, accessing the drive gave a "Device busy" error. I still get the occasional error (can't umount) when ejecting or unmounting, but for the most part it works well. If I get stuck, I issue a umount -f or a umount -l and it seems to fix everything. On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 13:59 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:27 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:06 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > > > Timothy, try to put this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > in a file called scsi-cdrom.fdi in the /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy > > directory and restart the haldaemon ('service haldaemon restart'). Does > > that make things work? > > > Nope. Not a really big deal. I manually created an fstab entry and > mount point for the dvd. Just no automount. A little added info. I > have a dvd-writer on /dev/hdc also. > > Thanks for your input though. > > > The thing is, we don't automatically put in entries for SCSI devices > > since they may not be close to the computer (e.g. iSCSI); we might want > > to relax that a bit in the default policy - Alan, does this sound sane > > to you? > > > > Cheers, > > David > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From reader at newsguy.com Wed Oct 27 19:10:01 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:10:01 -0500 Subject: Shock-wave flash viewers In-Reply-To: <1098901924.2917.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Per Bjornsson's message of "Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:32:05 -0700") References: <1098901924.2917.95.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Per Bjornsson writes: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 11:25, Harry Putnam wrote: >> What are people using to view web pages with: >> >> application/x-shockwave-flash content > > There's an RPM package of the Macromedia Flash plugin at > http://macromedia.mplug.org/ > > I presume that the FC2 packages should work for rawhide/FC3 as well. > Haven't tried myself yet though. Man that was absolutely painless... thanks PS- I'm not absolutely `rawhide' but my browsers are and it works for me immediately and painlessly. I'm running a mixture of FC3t2 and t3 From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 19:12:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:12:09 -0600 Subject: Request for a way to hide backup files. Message-ID: <1098904329.23375.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> I use a number of tools that generate backup files ie "filename~" I'd love to have them treated as hidden files so that I don't have to see them when I'm ls ing dirs and looking on my desktop. I love having them, I just don't want to see them unless I am specifically looking for one. One place I especially hate this is on the desktop. I haven't found a way to enable an application to generate the backup file as ".filename~". Is there a way to KDE to make backup files, ie "filename~" treated as hidden files ? This has been bugging me for a long time. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From michal at harddata.com Wed Oct 27 19:15:58 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:15:58 -0600 Subject: Request for a way to hide backup files. In-Reply-To: <1098904329.23375.16.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from lux@diesel-research.com on Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:12:09PM -0600 References: <1098904329.23375.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041027131558.A17481@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:12:09PM -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I use a number of tools that generate backup files ie "filename~" > > I'd love to have them treated as hidden files so that I don't have to > see them when I'm ls ing dirs and looking on my desktop. $ man ls .... -B, --ignore-backups do not list implied entries ending with ~ .... As for "looking on desktop" that I do not know. :-) M. From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Oct 27 19:39:24 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:39:24 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1098905964.5147.15.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:04 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > work with only 1 CD. > > We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump > other more important stuff off of CD1... > It's been on cd1 for rh9, fc1 and fc2. Could just take it off the package list for minimal install if it's not needed for a working system. > > 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be > > 1800x1440. > > Hmm, I've heard other reports of problems with DDC probing, and > occasionally seen them myself. Please add details onto an existing > bugzilla report, or create a new bug. > Bugzilla'd 137363. > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. > > Hmm, we'd need more details on this one. Please look for an existing > bugzilla report and comment on it, or create a new bug. > Bugzilla'd 137364. > > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > > dialogs). > > To select particular packages to install, you'd need to do detailed > package selection in anaconda during the install. > > After installation, you can use yum or up2date to install the package. > It's there as an optional component. Just didn't catch it the first time around. > -- Elliot > From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 19:49:00 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:49:00 -0600 Subject: Request for a way to hide backup files. In-Reply-To: <1098904329.23375.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098904329.23375.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098906540.23559.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is another thought about backup files: I wish they moved with the parent file when the parent file is moved. For example: my wife used my session the other day to record a recipe for Yam Casseroles from her friend. I didn't lock down my terminal ! So, I've got "Yam Casserole" on my desktop. (And its backup.) I dislike it on my desktop, so I move it to a folder. She uses my terminal again and opens the file and edits it. We've now got a second copy of Yam Casserole backup. My wife asks me to email it to her. I do. She opens her email on my computer in her session this time. She opens Yam Casserole and edits it. We've now got a 3rd copy of the Yam Casserole backup ! The things multiply ! Now what if she loses her copy of Yam Casserole and asks me if there is a backup ? Lets say she can't remember where she last used it. I have to search all of my dirs and all of her dirs to find all the versions of the Yam Casserole backups and then get the latest one. I think this is a bit of a pain. I think the current backup file usage was great back in the day when files didn't move around a lot and everything was displayed with ls. (You could use -B as someone pointed out.) With desktops and file managers and data sharing like it is today, I think it might be time to improve how backups are handled. I'll shut up now ! Thanks for listening. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From i.pilcher at comcast.net Wed Oct 27 19:49:41 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:49:41 -0500 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Elliot Lee wrote: > This tree seeks your loving attention in installation and testing. Please > speak now (via http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/) or forever hold your > peace about critical bugs. :) And thanks for taking the time so far on > FC3rc1. Still won't install. :~( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=127862 -- ======================================================================== Clearly, there is no political benefit to expediting the admission of legal immigrants into the United States. Nevertheless, I believe that our elected officials have an obligation to do more than simply pander to the thinly veiled racism of their constituents. Ian Pilcher ======================================================================== From alexl at stofanet.dk Wed Oct 27 19:58:32 2004 From: alexl at stofanet.dk (Alex Thomsen Leth) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:58:32 +0200 Subject: intel 2200bg wireless Message-ID: <1098907112.4945.2.camel@scar.lion> hello. i got a intel 2200bg wireless card. but it dosnt work after upgrading to fc3 rc2. i got this when i tried to modprobe ipw2200: Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: failed to register network device Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5Oct 27 21:57:34 scar hald[2814]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 323 the firmware is installed and the card worked perfectly with fc2. -- Alex Thomsen Leth From ngierman at roadrunn.com Wed Oct 27 20:09:33 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:09:33 -0500 Subject: intel 2200bg wireless In-Reply-To: <1098907112.4945.2.camel@scar.lion> Message-ID: <20041027200615.04FD422BA8D@pl6500.roadrunn.com> The firmware location changed from FC2 to FC3. It's now in /lib/firmware. You can check /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent (FIRMWARE) to make sure. I had the same problem at first when I upgraded to FC3 from FC2 (of course still other problems with the prism54 but that's another thread) > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-test-list-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > Alex Thomsen Leth > Sent: Wednesday, 27 October, 2004 14:59 > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: intel 2200bg wireless > > hello. > > i got a intel 2200bg wireless card. but it dosnt work after > upgrading to > fc3 rc2. i got this when i tried to modprobe ipw2200: > > Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel > PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection Oct 27 21:57:33 scar > kernel: ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed Oct 27 21:57:33 > scar kernel: ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: > 0xFFFFFFFE > Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: failed to register > network device Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: probe of > 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5Oct 27 21:57:34 scar > hald[2814]: Timed out waiting for hotplug event 323 > > the firmware is installed and the card worked perfectly with fc2. > > -- > Alex Thomsen Leth > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Wed Oct 27 20:11:05 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:11:05 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098905964.5147.15.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098905964.5147.15.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1098907865.5147.25.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 14:39 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:04 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > > work with only 1 CD. > > > > We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump > > other more important stuff off of CD1... > > > It's been on cd1 for rh9, fc1 and fc2. Could just take it off the > package list for minimal install if it's not needed for a working > system. I lied. reiserfs-utils was on CD1 for rh9 and fc1 but for fc2 is on CD3, and fc3 CD4. Maybe this problem has been here since fc2. > > > 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be > > > 1800x1440. > > > > Hmm, I've heard other reports of problems with DDC probing, and > > occasionally seen them myself. Please add details onto an existing > > bugzilla report, or create a new bug. > > > Bugzilla'd 137363. > > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > > directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. > > > > Hmm, we'd need more details on this one. Please look for an existing > > bugzilla report and comment on it, or create a new bug. > > > Bugzilla'd 137364. > > > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > > > dialogs). > > > > To select particular packages to install, you'd need to do detailed > > package selection in anaconda during the install. > > > > After installation, you can use yum or up2date to install the package. > > > It's there as an optional component. Just didn't catch it the first > time around. > > > -- Elliot > > > From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 20:12:41 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:12:41 -0400 Subject: intel 2200bg wireless In-Reply-To: <1098907112.4945.2.camel@scar.lion> References: <1098907112.4945.2.camel@scar.lion> Message-ID: <1098907961.16063.0.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Hi, Yes, it did work under FC2, but the location for firmware moved from /usr/lib/firmware to /lib/firmware so that firmware is actually available to things that need it before /usr is mounted. Move your firmware, and stuff should work. Dan On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 21:58 +0200, Alex Thomsen Leth wrote: > hello. > > i got a intel 2200bg wireless card. but it dosnt work after upgrading to > fc3 rc2. i got this when i tried to modprobe ipw2200: > > Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG > Network Connection > Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed > Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: > 0xFFFFFFFE > Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: failed to register network device > Oct 27 21:57:33 scar kernel: ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with > error -5Oct 27 21:57:34 scar hald[2814]: Timed out waiting for hotplug > event 323 > > the firmware is installed and the card worked perfectly with fc2. > > -- > Alex Thomsen Leth > From royamitabha at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 20:18:35 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:18:35 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all Message-ID: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> Latest rawhide update gives hal and NetworkManager version numbers: NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 hal-0.4.0-9 First run: made sure NetworkManager started on startup. Opened up gnome console and started NetworkManagerInfo. Applet came up in notification area. Chose "Other Wireless Network" and typed in essid of wireless network (it is non-essid-broadcasting network). This *completely* froze the machine and had to do a hard reboot. Before freezing, console message was "Forcing device /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1" Second run: made sure NetworkManager was running. With utmost trepidation, opened up gnome console and typed in NetworkManagerInfo. Machine did not freeze this time, typed in ESSID of network as before. Voila! System-log shows connected. But also shows network connecting and disconnecting every second or so. Log attached below: Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) Oct 27 16:06:22 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) Oct 27 16:06:28 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) As a result, network access is sporadic at best. output of /var/lib/pcmcia/stab is: Socket 0: Intersil PRISM2 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter 0 network orinoco_cs 0 eth1 Socket 1: empty Anyone else seen this ? Gone back to stopping NM and using ifup, iwconfig etc (and logging out of X once hostname is set due to xauth *sigh*). Amitabha From dcbw at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 20:42:03 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:42:03 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> We've seen machine freezing with kernels since -524 related to IPv6 code. #rh135432#. You actually get panics on the console, but if you're in X of course then you can't switch to the console to see the panic. This might be related to your problem, and we've usually seen it after picking an ESSID with "other network". The other problem is that the orinoco drivers don't support scanning, unless you're using upstream drivers. So you're already hosed there, NM attempts to compensate by scanning your approved list, but there's only so much it can do with orinoco cards. Dan On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:18 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > Latest rawhide update gives hal and NetworkManager version numbers: > NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 > NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 > hal-0.4.0-9 > > First run: made sure NetworkManager started on startup. Opened up gnome console > and started NetworkManagerInfo. Applet came up in notification area. Chose > "Other Wireless Network" and typed in essid of wireless network (it is > non-essid-broadcasting network). This *completely* froze the machine > and had to do a hard reboot. > > Before freezing, console message was "Forcing device > /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1" > > > Second run: made sure NetworkManager was running. With utmost trepidation, > opened up gnome console and typed in NetworkManagerInfo. Machine did not freeze > this time, typed in ESSID of network as before. Voila! System-log > shows connected. > But also shows network connecting and disconnecting every second or so. > Log attached below: > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > Oct 27 16:06:22 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > Oct 27 16:06:28 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > > As a result, network access is sporadic at best. > > > output of /var/lib/pcmcia/stab is: > > Socket 0: Intersil PRISM2 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter > 0 network orinoco_cs 0 eth1 > Socket 1: empty > > Anyone else seen this ? > > Gone back to stopping NM and using ifup, iwconfig etc (and logging out of X > once hostname is set due to xauth *sigh*). > > Amitabha > From karsten at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 22:57:42 2004 From: karsten at redhat.com (Karsten Hopp) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:57:42 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2 Message-ID: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-351 2004-10-27 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 2 Name : wget Version : 1.9.1 Release : 16.fc2 Summary : A utility for retrieving files using the HTTP or FTP protocols. Description : GNU Wget is a file retrieval utility which can use either the HTTP or FTP protocols. Wget features include the ability to work in the background while you are logged out, recursive retrieval of directories, file name wildcard matching, remote file timestamp storage and comparison, use of Rest with FTP servers and Range with HTTP servers to retrieve files over slow or unstable connections, support for Proxy servers, and configurability. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update Information: This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb Please test if the following works (make sure that your web/ftp server supports large files): - downloads of files smaller / larger than 2Gb via http and ftp - continue aborted downloads smaller / larger 2Gb via http and ftp Add your feedback to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123524 If I hear of no larger problems until Thu Nov 04, this package will be released as an update for Fedora Core 2. Thanks Karsten --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Fri Oct 22 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-16.fc2 - build large file version for FC2 * Wed Sep 29 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-17 - additional LFS patch from Leonid Petrov to fix file lengths in http downloads * Thu Sep 16 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-16 - more fixes * Tue Sep 14 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-15 - added strtol fix from Leonid Petrov, reenable LFS * Tue Sep 14 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-14 - buildrequires gettext (#132519) * Wed Sep 01 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-13 - disable LFS patch for now, it breaks normal downloads (123524#c15) --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/ 0f36e50c0c40ffdd5508d3862c54ba6f SRPMS/wget-1.9.1-16.fc2.src.rpm 96be1e722ca313667b54b5fd1e04f824 x86_64/wget-1.9.1-16.fc2.x86_64.rpm 678ab943f66b4991ccd9c6d6c101652d x86_64/debug/wget-debuginfo-1.9.1-16.fc2.x86_64.rpm 945a00f2a922adaf2ff0f035972793a7 i386/wget-1.9.1-16.fc2.i386.rpm fc1841ba974b739454e16031cc927111 i386/debug/wget-debuginfo-1.9.1-16.fc2.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/$ARCH --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Karsten Hopp GPG 1024D/70ABD02C Fingerprint D2D4 3B6B 2DE4 464C A432 210A DFF8 A140 70AB D02C Red Hat Deutschland, Hauptstaetter Str.58 70178 Stuttgart, Tel.+49-711-96437-0, Fax +49-711-96437-111 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 21:22:14 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:22:14 -0600 Subject: FC3T3 ? gdb: no debugging symbols found. Using -g3... Message-ID: <1098912134.24086.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm trying to debug a feature in kdevelop 3.1.1. I'm using gdb. I'm getting a "no debugging symbols found" error in spite of the Makefile having cxx args of -g3. Am I missing something ? Is there something about gcc in fc3t3 that makes it incompatible with gdb ? The gdb version I have installed is "GNU gdb Red Hat Linux (6.1post-1.20040607.41rh)" It also states: "This GDB was configured as "i386-redhat-linux-gnu"." Also: I'm not sure the error I see in kdevelop isn't related to it running on fc3t3. I'll state more when I know more. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From bednar007 at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 21:22:32 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:22:32 +0200 Subject: Alsa bug/problem Message-ID: <38f00b2a04102714227e1eba00@mail.gmail.com> Hi, averything seems that my soundcard is properly detected/configured but I hear no sound from any output. I tried Soundcard Configure and click on Test sound but hear nothing. Output of my playwave is: [bednar at kapsel ~]$ playwave /usr/share/sounds/info.wav ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:521:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE failed: Devic e or resource busy output from my lspci: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controlle r (rev 03) Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems: Unknown device ff00 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 1c00 [size=256] I/O ports at 18c0 [size=64] Memory at e0100c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] Memory at e0100800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 I use Toshiba Satellite 1135-S1554 laptop with FC3test2 upgaded to 2.6.9.1-643 kernel and everythink else is up to date. How to setup soundcard? Darek Borkowski From alan at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 21:25:47 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:25:47 -0400 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: References: <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> Message-ID: <20041027212547.GB788@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 11:21:30AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > Same here, we've had numerous catastrophic filesystem failures with ext3 > in production systems. Should only occur on drive failure, things like bad ram, and IDE drives when you hard reboot and don't have them set to writethrough caching. What releases ? From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 21:26:26 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:26:26 -0600 Subject: Alsa bug/problem In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04102714227e1eba00@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04102714227e1eba00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098912386.24086.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Did you upgrade to fc3t2 or was it a fresh install ? What do you get for /sbin/lsmod ? What happens if you (in kde anyway) go start->system settings->soundcard detection ? On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 23:22 +0200, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, averything seems that my soundcard is properly detected/configured > but I hear no sound from any output. I tried Soundcard Configure and > click on Test sound but hear nothing. > > Output of my playwave is: > [bednar at kapsel ~]$ playwave /usr/share/sounds/info.wav > ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:521:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE > failed: Devic e or resource busy > > output from my lspci: > 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controlle r (rev 03) > Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems: Unknown device ff00 > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 > I/O ports at 1c00 [size=256] > I/O ports at 18c0 [size=64] > Memory at e0100c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] > Memory at e0100800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] > Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 > > I use Toshiba Satellite 1135-S1554 laptop with FC3test2 upgaded to > 2.6.9.1-643 kernel and everythink else is up to date. > How to setup soundcard? > > Darek Borkowski > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From vR at movingparts.net Wed Oct 27 21:52:15 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:52:15 -0400 Subject: no yum sources for fc3-rc2? Message-ID: <1098913935.2990.15.camel@localhost> I just installed fc3-rc2 clean today--used a network install--and there was no /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d/* files. Is this right? Or where should one point to be up-to-date with rc2 (I realize that it's a quickly-obsolete target and all). Also, as I mentioned above, I did a network install, but the "add/remove applications" interface still expected me to have CD's to put in for changes after installation was done? Is that a known bug, or being worked on, or should I enter a bugzilla, does anyone know? -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From pjones at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 22:00:37 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:00:37 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e04102508061400f36c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <200410251500.56119.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098714396.21284.10.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <77e74f3e04102508061400f36c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098914437.5234.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 11:06 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > I tried NetworkManager without success. When I run NetworkManagerInfo, > nothing comes up in the notification area (I have the daemon running). > > The strange thing is that when I kill NetworkManager, then the applet > comes up in the notification area and looks for networks. Of course, it > does not find any at that time. What's your network setup, what hardware/driver, and what does syslog say? -- Peter "What is a magician but a practicing theorist?" -- Kenobi From goemon at anime.net Wed Oct 27 22:04:24 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <20041027212547.GB788@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Alan Cox wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 11:21:30AM -0700, Dan Hollis wrote: > > Same here, we've had numerous catastrophic filesystem failures with ext3 > > in production systems. > Should only occur on drive failure, things like bad ram, and IDE drives > when you hard reboot and don't have them set to writethrough caching. Happened on power failures or on situations that called for the red button (eg runaway processes etc). > What releases ? 2.4.x kernels, which we also use reiserfs on. reiserfs didn't fail under the exact same situations on the exact same hardware. we have a few legacy systems still on ext3 but we are upgrading them to reiserfs as we get the chance. fwiw we also had bad experiences with xfs. -Dan From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Oct 27 22:11:27 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:11:27 -0500 Subject: cluster FC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098915087.7076.0.camel@dual866.bankofamerica.com> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 06:43, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Any suggestion for software to setup and maintain a cluster of P4 machines > running FC3? What kind of cluster? Computational, high availability, what? -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From pjones at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 22:11:57 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:11:57 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that > launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a > card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it > that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for > it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument > for having a configure item for those, however. How do you handle the chance that I might regularly use wireless on two networks, with a (different) static IP on each? The same question applies to wired networks, but probably less often. I don't really want to change "my static addres" often. But I do occasionally get into the situation where the network has link (either wired, or is associated with wireless), but doesn't receive an IP from dhcp. This happens for various reasons -- usually the dhcp server at the coffee shop has crashed and none of the employees know where the WAP is to reboot it ;) It'd be nice to be able to specify these things. One other issue is that, there's no effective way to use a local caching nameserver, which is something I would prefer in many situations. In the ifcfg-eth* situation, we had the option of "PEERDNS=no", but we don't really have that here, especially with the possibility of multiple networks. I'm not really sure what's the best option here -- ideally, there'd be a way to set the dhcp-provided servers up as forwarders. Maybe have something like: include "/etc/named-forwarders.conf" in named.conf, and then write out something like: zone "." IN { type forward; forward first; forwarders { 172.16.52.27; 172.16.52.28; }; }; Unfortunately, that probably needs some amount of configuration. -- Peter "What is a magician but a practicing theorist?" -- Kenobi From jerone at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 22:16:12 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:16:12 -0500 Subject: Alsa bug/problem In-Reply-To: <1098912386.24086.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <38f00b2a04102714227e1eba00@mail.gmail.com> <1098912386.24086.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00410271516ee6259a@mail.gmail.com> Upgrading to FC3t2 was not the best move now. I would suggest (to save you time) just reinstall (you don't want to upgrade from where you are) next week when FC3 final is released, you shouldn't have that problem anymore. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:26:26 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > Did you upgrade to fc3t2 or was it a fresh install ? > > What do you get for /sbin/lsmod ? > > What happens if you (in kde anyway) go start->system settings->soundcard > detection ? > > > On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 23:22 +0200, Darek Borkowski wrote: > > Hi, averything seems that my soundcard is properly detected/configured > > but I hear no sound from any output. I tried Soundcard Configure and > > click on Test sound but hear nothing. > > > > Output of my playwave is: > > [bednar at kapsel ~]$ playwave /usr/share/sounds/info.wav > > ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:521:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE > > failed: Devic e or resource busy > > > > output from my lspci: > > 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controlle r (rev 03) > > Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems: Unknown device ff00 > > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 > > I/O ports at 1c00 [size=256] > > I/O ports at 18c0 [size=64] > > Memory at e0100c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] > > Memory at e0100800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] > > Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 > > > > I use Toshiba Satellite 1135-S1554 laptop with FC3test2 upgaded to > > 2.6.9.1-643 kernel and everythink else is up to date. > > How to setup soundcard? > > > > Darek Borkowski > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From reader at newsguy.com Wed Oct 27 22:17:42 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:17:42 -0500 Subject: Yum looking for wrong file Message-ID: I keep a mirror of the main rawhide repo, or at least it is supposed to be a mirror. But apparently something is different between the real repo and my mirror. I'd like to find out what. If I run yum against my repo to update mozilla-mail with yum --obsoletes update mozilla-mail It returns with an error that it cannot find filename: Fedora/RPMS/mozilla-mail-1.7.3-13.i386.rpm Well that is the wrong file name. The 13 should be a 17. I just finished my mirroring program and looking in my mirror I see mozilla-mail-1.7.3-17.i386.rpm (The correct file) Where does yum get the filenames it looks for? I'm guessing some file on the real repo is not getting downloaded to my mirror and therefore some incorrect stuff is happening. Can someone tell me where the filename is comming from? PS- If I run yum the same way but aimed at the real repo it finds the correct file. From jerone at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 22:22:25 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:22:25 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098907865.5147.25.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098905964.5147.15.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098907865.5147.25.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <9f50a7a0041027152224a08b2d@mail.gmail.com> Another issue: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:11:05 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 14:39 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:04 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > > > work with only 1 CD. > > > > > > We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump > > > other more important stuff off of CD1... > > > > > It's been on cd1 for rh9, fc1 and fc2. Could just take it off the > > package list for minimal install if it's not needed for a working > > system. > I lied. reiserfs-utils was on CD1 for rh9 and fc1 but for fc2 is on > CD3, and fc3 CD4. Maybe this problem has been here since fc2. > > > > > > 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be > > > > 1800x1440. > > > > > > Hmm, I've heard other reports of problems with DDC probing, and > > > occasionally seen them myself. Please add details onto an existing > > > bugzilla report, or create a new bug. > > > > > Bugzilla'd 137363. > > > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > > > directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. > > > > > > Hmm, we'd need more details on this one. Please look for an existing > > > bugzilla report and comment on it, or create a new bug. > > > > > Bugzilla'd 137364. > > > > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > > > > dialogs). > > > > > > To select particular packages to install, you'd need to do detailed > > > package selection in anaconda during the install. > > > > > > After installation, you can use yum or up2date to install the package. > > > > > It's there as an optional component. Just didn't catch it the first > > time around. > > > > > -- Elliot > > > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From walters at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 22:24:17 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:24:17 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098915857.19734.106.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 18:11 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that > > launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a > > card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it > > that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for > > it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument > > for having a configure item for those, however. > > How do you handle the chance that I might regularly use wireless on two > networks, with a (different) static IP on each? Do you control the networks in question? If so, it's actually quite easy to configure the DHCP server to assign static IP addresses for particular MAC addresses. That way you get all the benefits of DHCP (not having to manually configure individual computers with e.g. nameservers) with all the benefits of static addressing. From jerone at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 22:23:56 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:23:56 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a0041027152224a08b2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098905964.5147.15.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098907865.5147.25.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <9f50a7a0041027152224a08b2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a0041027152320e05c1c@mail.gmail.com> Another issue (this time I'll actually put it).. If you place the Dictionary app on the Gnome Panel it crashes when I log out on X86_64 Fedora. I'm not sure if this is happening on i386. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:22:25 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > Another issue: > > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:11:05 -0500, Timothy Sandel > wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 14:39 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:04 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > > > > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > > > > work with only 1 CD. > > > > > > > > We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump > > > > other more important stuff off of CD1... > > > > > > > It's been on cd1 for rh9, fc1 and fc2. Could just take it off the > > > package list for minimal install if it's not needed for a working > > > system. > > I lied. reiserfs-utils was on CD1 for rh9 and fc1 but for fc2 is on > > CD3, and fc3 CD4. Maybe this problem has been here since fc2. > > > > > > > > > 2. xorg setup improperly gives a display size of "1920x1440". should be > > > > > 1800x1440. > > > > > > > > Hmm, I've heard other reports of problems with DDC probing, and > > > > occasionally seen them myself. Please add details onto an existing > > > > bugzilla report, or create a new bug. > > > > > > > Bugzilla'd 137363. > > > > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > > > > directory entry is not created and the device is not added to fstab. > > > > > > > > Hmm, we'd need more details on this one. Please look for an existing > > > > bugzilla report and comment on it, or create a new bug. > > > > > > > Bugzilla'd 137364. > > > > > 4. k3b not installed with kde (maybe I missed something in the install > > > > > dialogs). > > > > > > > > To select particular packages to install, you'd need to do detailed > > > > package selection in anaconda during the install. > > > > > > > > After installation, you can use yum or up2date to install the package. > > > > > > > It's there as an optional component. Just didn't catch it the first > > > time around. > > > > > > > -- Elliot > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From jerone at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 22:27:30 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:27:30 -0500 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098915857.19734.106.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098915857.19734.106.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <9f50a7a004102715277c36cdba@mail.gmail.com> Not to be picky or anything, but the NetworkManger applet looks pretty damn ugly compared to Netapplet :-) On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:24:17 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 18:11 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > > > There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that > > > launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a > > > card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it > > > that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for > > > it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument > > > for having a configure item for those, however. > > > > How do you handle the chance that I might regularly use wireless on two > > networks, with a (different) static IP on each? > > Do you control the networks in question? If so, it's actually quite > easy to configure the DHCP server to assign static IP addresses for > particular MAC addresses. That way you get all the benefits of DHCP > (not having to manually configure individual computers with e.g. > nameservers) with all the benefits of static addressing. > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lux at diesel-research.com Wed Oct 27 22:32:31 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:32:31 -0600 Subject: Alsa bug/problem In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00410271516ee6259a@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04102714227e1eba00@mail.gmail.com> <1098912386.24086.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9f50a7a00410271516ee6259a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098916351.24086.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Did I miss something ? I don't think he said he upgraded to FC3t2 or not. It might have been a fresh install. He did say that he upgraded his kernel, to 2.6.9-1.643. I think his problem is worth exploring, if for no other reason than to see if it is similar to my alsa/sound problem. Is there a pattern ? I'll leave him decide if upgrading was a good move or not and whether or not he wants to spend time troubleshooting his sound system. BTW: How do you know he won't have the same problem next week with the FC3 final ? I know of 3 people who have trouble with FC3Tx sound. On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 17:16 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > Upgrading to FC3t2 was not the best move now. I would suggest (to save > you time) just reinstall (you don't want to upgrade from where you > are) next week when FC3 final is released, you shouldn't have that > problem anymore. > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:26:26 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) > wrote: > > Did you upgrade to fc3t2 or was it a fresh install ? > > > > What do you get for /sbin/lsmod ? > > > > What happens if you (in kde anyway) go start->system settings->soundcard > > detection ? > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 23:22 +0200, Darek Borkowski wrote: > > > Hi, averything seems that my soundcard is properly detected/configured > > > but I hear no sound from any output. I tried Soundcard Configure and > > > click on Test sound but hear nothing. > > > > > > Output of my playwave is: > > > [bednar at kapsel ~]$ playwave /usr/share/sounds/info.wav > > > ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:521:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE > > > failed: Devic e or resource busy > > > > > > output from my lspci: > > > 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > > > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controlle r (rev 03) > > > Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems: Unknown device ff00 > > > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10 > > > I/O ports at 1c00 [size=256] > > > I/O ports at 18c0 [size=64] > > > Memory at e0100c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512] > > > Memory at e0100800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] > > > Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 > > > > > > I use Toshiba Satellite 1135-S1554 laptop with FC3test2 upgaded to > > > 2.6.9.1-643 kernel and everythink else is up to date. > > > How to setup soundcard? > > > > > > Darek Borkowski > > > > > -- > > Kim Lux (Mr.) > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From ngierman at roadrunn.com Wed Oct 27 22:31:46 2004 From: ngierman at roadrunn.com (Neil Gierman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:31:46 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2 In-Reply-To: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> References: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098916306.3553.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Any change this will make it into FC3. I have plenty of times I need to download multi-gig files via http and ftp but am running FC3. On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 00:57 +0200, Karsten Hopp wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2004-351 > 2004-10-27 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Product : Fedora Core 2 > Name : wget > Version : 1.9.1 > Release : 16.fc2 > Summary : A utility for retrieving files using the HTTP or FTP protocols. > Description : > GNU Wget is a file retrieval utility which can use either the HTTP or > FTP protocols. Wget features include the ability to work in the > background while you are logged out, recursive retrieval of > directories, file name wildcard matching, remote file timestamp > storage and comparison, use of Rest with FTP servers and Range with > HTTP servers to retrieve files over slow or unstable connections, > support for Proxy servers, and configurability. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Update Information: > > This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb > > Please test if the following works (make sure that your web/ftp > server supports large files): > > - downloads of files smaller / larger than 2Gb > via http and ftp > - continue aborted downloads smaller / larger 2Gb > via http and ftp > > Add your feedback to http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123524 > > If I hear of no larger problems until Thu Nov 04, this package will be > released as an update for Fedora Core 2. > > Thanks > Karsten > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > * Fri Oct 22 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-16.fc2 > > - build large file version for FC2 > > * Wed Sep 29 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-17 > > - additional LFS patch from Leonid Petrov to fix file lengths in > http downloads > > * Thu Sep 16 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-16 > > - more fixes > > * Tue Sep 14 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-15 > > - added strtol fix from Leonid Petrov, reenable LFS > > * Tue Sep 14 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-14 > > - buildrequires gettext (#132519) > > * Wed Sep 01 2004 Karsten Hopp 1.9.1-13 > > - disable LFS patch for now, it breaks normal downloads (123524#c15) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This update can be downloaded from: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/ > > 0f36e50c0c40ffdd5508d3862c54ba6f SRPMS/wget-1.9.1-16.fc2.src.rpm > 96be1e722ca313667b54b5fd1e04f824 x86_64/wget-1.9.1-16.fc2.x86_64.rpm > 678ab943f66b4991ccd9c6d6c101652d x86_64/debug/wget-debuginfo-1.9.1-16.fc2.x86_64.rpm > 945a00f2a922adaf2ff0f035972793a7 i386/wget-1.9.1-16.fc2.i386.rpm > fc1841ba974b739454e16031cc927111 i386/debug/wget-debuginfo-1.9.1-16.fc2.i386.rpm > > This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can > launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may > need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: > yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/$ARCH > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Karsten Hopp GPG 1024D/70ABD02C > Fingerprint D2D4 3B6B 2DE4 464C A432 210A DFF8 A140 70AB D02C > Red Hat Deutschland, Hauptstaetter Str.58 > 70178 Stuttgart, Tel.+49-711-96437-0, Fax +49-711-96437-111 > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Neil Gierman From pjones at redhat.com Wed Oct 27 22:53:45 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:53:45 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098915857.19734.106.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098915857.19734.106.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1098917625.5234.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 18:24 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 18:11 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:02 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > > > There is an argument for having a menu item "open config info" that > > > launches system-config-network if you have static IP configuration for a > > > card, but the fact of static IP is that you aren't supposed to change it > > > that often. So if you don't change it that often, why have an entry for > > > it in the menu? When we get dialup support, there might be an argument > > > for having a configure item for those, however. > > > > How do you handle the chance that I might regularly use wireless on two > > networks, with a (different) static IP on each? > > Do you control the networks in question? If so, it's actually quite > easy to configure the DHCP server to assign static IP addresses for > particular MAC addresses. No, of course I don't control them. The paragraph after the one you quoted makes that very clear. It was an actual example of what happens to me in the real world. > That way you get all the benefits of DHCP (not having to manually > configure individual computers with e.g. nameservers) with all the > benefits of static addressing. Yes, if I controlled the world's networks, then I'd have no problem at all. -- Peter From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Wed Oct 27 23:09:08 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:09:08 -0700 Subject: sendmail dropping outgoing email on the floor Message-ID: <20041027230908.GA31600@rome.puchol.com> hi, i filed bug 137216 for a problem that seems pretty serious to me. sendmail drops outgoing email with Oct 25 14:25:40 rome sendmail[9106]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(cpg): can not chdir(/var/spool/clientmqueue/): Permission denied i gave it high priority because it loses data. details at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137216 however, i don't see anyone else having an issue on this. the only thing different than standard config is something that most people downloading email will have to do and that is: define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.comcast.net') MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(myowndomain.com)dnl MASQUERADE_AS(myowndomain.com)dnl noone running into this? -c From jspaleta at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 23:22:50 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:22:50 -0400 Subject: Yum looking for wrong file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <604aa79104102716221702e45@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:17:42 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > Can someone tell me where the filename is comming from? > > PS- If I run yum the same way but aimed at the real repo it finds the > correct file. assuming i386 tree: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/repodata/ are you mirroring everything in that directory? /var/cache/yum/development/ does the primary.xml.gz and repomd.xml in the local yum cache match the real mirror and your local mirror? -jef From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Wed Oct 27 23:25:43 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal Becker) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:25:43 -0400 Subject: cluster FC3 References: <1098915087.7076.0.camel@dual866.bankofamerica.com> Message-ID: Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 06:43, Neal D. Becker wrote: >> Any suggestion for software to setup and maintain a cluster of P4 >> machines running FC3? > > What kind of cluster? Computational, high availability, what? Computational. Nothing fancy required. Just looking for software to help keep nodes updated, share accounts, quickly install/reinstall. Moderate # of nodes, 10-20. From robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl Wed Oct 27 23:29:06 2004 From: robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl (Rob van Nieuwkerk) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:29:06 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2 In-Reply-To: <1098916306.3553.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> <1098916306.3553.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041028012906.6ad58448.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:31:46 -0500 Neil Gierman wrote: Hi top poster, > Any change this will make it into FC3. I have plenty of times I need to > download multi-gig files via http and ftp but am running FC3. > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 00:57 +0200, Karsten Hopp wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Fedora Test Update Notification > > FEDORA-2004-351 > > 2004-10-27 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Product : Fedora Core 2 > > Name : wget > > Version : 1.9.1 > > Release : 16.fc2 > > Summary : A utility for retrieving files using the HTTP or FTP protocols. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Update Information: > > > > This new release of wget adds support for large files >2Gb Version 1.9.1-17 (also >2GB OK) has been in rawhide/development some time now. I expect this to be in FC3-final and the FC3 release candidates too. greetings, Rob van Nieuwkerk A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top posting bad? From a.t.meinen at chello.nl Thu Oct 28 00:02:45 2004 From: a.t.meinen at chello.nl (Tino Meinen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:02:45 +0200 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> Message-ID: <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > > > What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu > > > > items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. > > > > > > > > Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files > > > > are present (rpm -V passes on both). > > > > > > > > At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even > > > > changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. > > > > > > > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > > > > > If you change NoDisplay=true to false in the > > /usr/share/applications/mozilla.desktop and redhat-email.desktop files > > they'll come back. Not sure why it was changed though. Emacs seems to be suffering from the same problem. It is missing from the 'programming' menu. setting NoDisplay=true to false in /usr/share/applications/gnu-emacs.desktop gets it back in the menu. I know I should really make a bugreport for this, but pushing the reply button in evolution is so much easier... Tino From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 00:05:14 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:05:14 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa791041027170533653139@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:02:45 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > I know I should really make a bugreport for this, but pushing the reply > button in evolution is so much easier... i guess you dont want it fixed that badly then -jef"stop talking about filing a bug and file the bug"spaleta From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 28 00:12:33 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:12:33 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2 In-Reply-To: <20041028012906.6ad58448.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> References: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> <1098916306.3553.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028012906.6ad58448.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: <41803971.9090701@speakeasy.net> > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > Q: Why is top posting bad? > Even though this is off topic... But if you read the _thread_ from top to bottom maybe you wouldn't need to have the thread reproduced _in_ every message. If reading the thread is too much trouble, then maybe the reply is not worth the effort. Andrew From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 00:21:05 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:21:05 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 02:02 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > > > > > What I have noticed is that I seem to have various Applications menu > > > > > items that are missing, most notably Mozilla and Evolution. > > > > > > > > > > Both the evolution and mozilla rpms are installed and the .desktop files > > > > > are present (rpm -V passes on both). > > > > > > > > > > At first I thought it was a "preferred applications" thing but even > > > > > changing my preferred apps didn't being them into existence. > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > > > > > > > If you change NoDisplay=true to false in the > > > /usr/share/applications/mozilla.desktop and redhat-email.desktop files > > > they'll come back. Not sure why it was changed though. > > Emacs seems to be suffering from the same problem. It is missing from > the 'programming' menu. > setting NoDisplay=true to false in > /usr/share/applications/gnu-emacs.desktop > gets it back in the menu. This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user application, so it shouldn't be in the menu. It's easy to add a launcher yourself; personally, I just alt-f2, type in emacs, and hit return at the start of my session. From sean.bruno at dsl-only.net Thu Oct 28 00:21:08 2004 From: sean.bruno at dsl-only.net (Sean Bruno) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:21:08 -0700 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test Message-ID: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> We just got a hold of a Dell Poweredge 2850 with dual EMT64's in it. I thought I would load of FC3 and give it a shot...Are there any issues that the list knows about that I should watch out for? -- Sean Bruno - TELECOM -- From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Thu Oct 28 00:31:37 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:31:37 +0100 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1098923497.19771.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > > Emacs seems to be suffering from the same problem. It is missing from > > the 'programming' menu. > > setting NoDisplay=true to false in > > /usr/share/applications/gnu-emacs.desktop > > gets it back in the menu. > > This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation > for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user > application, so it shouldn't be in the menu. It's easy to add a launcher > yourself; personally, I just alt-f2, type in emacs, and hit return at > the start of my session. Emacs is a typical end user app. I've used it since day one. Please, for the sake of all that is good, true, honest and not tainted by vi, keep emacs on the menu! TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tino Meinen From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 00:41:10 2004 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:41:10 -0400 Subject: any chances for some last minute vte changes, or atleast something to consider Message-ID: We have all dealt with the good, the bad, and the ugly of gnome-terminal/vte. Don't get me wrong, it has been my terminal of choice as long as I have run redhat/fedora. The speed output has always been an issue for me, but it wasn't until recently that the tabbed redraw problem became apparent to me. I always switch my terminal to a black background with grey fonts, so it wasn't until I started rolling my customized fedora core 2 desktop out to my coworkers that the multi-tab black background bug was ever a factor. The speed issue was addresed in the patch attached to this bugzilla, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132770 , which I have found fantastic. Without the mad skills of this excellent programmer I addressed the lesser of the two evils, the tabbed black background bug. My debugging led to a less elegant, but harmless and effective solution with a patch attached to this bug, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100420 . Between the two patches I now have a gnome-terminal that just works how I want it, and how I assume everyone would like it to. These have been nagging bugs for quite some time. I know getting changes into vte at the gnome level has been slow, any chance of use addressing the issues at a distribution level? -Jon From darren at dzr-web.com Thu Oct 28 00:39:25 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:39:25 +0100 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:21, Colin Walters wrote: > > Emacs seems to be suffering from the same problem. It is missing from > > the 'programming' menu. > > setting NoDisplay=true to false in > > /usr/share/applications/gnu-emacs.desktop > > gets it back in the menu. > > This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation > for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user > application, so it shouldn't be in the menu. What? Not even in the PROGRAMMING Menu? *Nothing* in the Programming Menu is a typical end user application. Are we going to remove that menu as well? This strikes me as a really bad idea. I absolutely agree with the trend Red Hat and GNOME have been taking of late, but this strikes me as a step too far. Either a user chooses a typical desktop install, in which case Emacs, Mozilla and others aren't installed, or they are installed and are in the menu. How can users discover some of the wonderful applications that are bundled with FC if they don't even know they are there? I generally just choose "Everything" at install time, and enjoy browsing through the menus and seeing what goodies are in there. I'm honestly quite staggered by this. Applications that I choose to install won't show up in the menu because a typical end user wouldn't ever use them. In which case don't install them for the end user, and when someone deliberately chooses to install them put an entry for them in the menu! Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From jon.nettleton at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 00:47:10 2004 From: jon.nettleton at gmail.com (Jon Nettleton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:47:10 -0400 Subject: any chances for some last minute vte changes, or atleast something to consider In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sorry guys this went to the wrong list. I will move it over to the dev one. I am a bit distracted by the Sox World Series game. ;-) On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:41:10 -0400, Jon Nettleton wrote: > We have all dealt with the good, the bad, and the ugly of > gnome-terminal/vte. Don't get me wrong, it has been my terminal of > choice as long as I have run redhat/fedora. The speed output has > always been an issue for me, but it wasn't until recently that the > tabbed redraw problem became apparent to me. I always switch my > terminal to a black background with grey fonts, so it wasn't until I > started rolling my customized fedora core 2 desktop out to my > coworkers that the multi-tab black background bug was ever a factor. > > The speed issue was addresed in the patch attached to this bugzilla, > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132770 , which I > have found fantastic. Without the mad skills of this excellent > programmer I addressed the lesser of the two evils, the tabbed black > background bug. My debugging led to a less elegant, but harmless and > effective solution with a patch attached to this bug, > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100420 . > > Between the two patches I now have a gnome-terminal that just works > how I want it, and how I assume everyone would like it to. These have > been nagging bugs for quite some time. I know getting changes into > vte at the gnome level has been slow, any chance of use addressing the > issues at a distribution level? > > -Jon > From tim at lackoffocus.com Thu Oct 28 00:46:21 2004 From: tim at lackoffocus.com (Tim Ryder) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:46:21 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 3 RC1 Updates Message-ID: <1098924381.3686.3.camel@limbo> I installed FC3-RC1 and all went well. RC2 just came out and FC3 final is just around the corner. Since RC1 is so close to FC3 final, will I be able to just change my repos and install the redhat-release package, then update via yum to get to FC3 final or will I have to download the ISO and install again? Tim Ryder From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 27 10:45:17 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:45:17 +0200 Subject: test (ignore it) Message-ID: <1098873917.3084.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> test -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 00:56:51 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:56:51 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <604aa79104102717561f777b9f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:21:05 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation > for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user > application, so it shouldn't be in the menu. This is contradictory to some extent. Emacs weenies...pitchs forks and blazing torches in hand demand emacs be available by default because they can't be bothered to do a custom install. But the compromise requires a delibrate attempt to hide emacs from new users and new programmers who would enjoy using emacs as a development tool. Suck it up, stand up for the design principle of the default desktop install concept..and move emacs over to workstation install and give it an entry in Programming submenu. If any application fits into the definition of "Workstation" as defined in anaconda at the moment..its emacs. -jef"its very very easy to decide to cut what other people want from the default desktop install...but the rubber hits the road when the developers and maintainers themselves finally start moving their favorite development and administration tools out of the default install and into the workstation install as a matter of design principle"spaleta From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 01:03:57 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:03:57 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <1098925437.19734.136.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:39 +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:21, Colin Walters wrote: > > > > Emacs seems to be suffering from the same problem. It is missing from > > > the 'programming' menu. > > > setting NoDisplay=true to false in > > > /usr/share/applications/gnu-emacs.desktop > > > gets it back in the menu. > > > > This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation > > for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user > > application, so it shouldn't be in the menu. > > What? Not even in the PROGRAMMING Menu? We don't want a Programming menu in the default installation. > Are we going to remove that menu > as well? No, if you install devhelp, etc it appears. > This strikes me as a really bad idea. I absolutely agree with > the trend Red Hat and GNOME have been taking of late, but this strikes > me as a step too far. Either a user chooses a typical desktop install, > in which case Emacs, Mozilla and others aren't installed, Maybe you could make the argument that emacs shouldn't be in the default install. Dunno. It would be one of the first things I'd install personally. > or they are > installed and are in the menu. How can users discover some of the > wonderful applications that are bundled with FC if they don't even know > they are there? I don't think there are very many people who haven't heard of Emacs before that would actually take the time to learn and use it from just clicking it in the menu. From michal at harddata.com Thu Oct 28 01:14:51 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:14:51 -0600 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private>; from walters@redhat.com on Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:21:05PM -0400 References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:21:05PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation > for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user > application, What is this mythical "typical end user"? Ask my wife who has nothing to do with any computer programming. A machine without emacs simply for her does not exist or maybe it some kind of toaster. This is a basic and indispensable tool. Michal From robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl Thu Oct 28 01:15:56 2004 From: robn at verdi.et.tudelft.nl (Rob van Nieuwkerk) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:15:56 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2 In-Reply-To: <41803971.9090701@speakeasy.net> References: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> <1098916306.3553.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028012906.6ad58448.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> <41803971.9090701@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20041028031556.5ac9cf3b.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:12:33 -0400 Andrew wrote: Hi Andrew, > > A: Because people read from top to bottom. > > Q: Why is top posting bad? > > > > Even though this is off topic... > But if you read the _thread_ from top to bottom maybe you wouldn't > need to have the thread reproduced _in_ every message. If reading the > thread is too much trouble, then maybe the reply is not worth the effort. I think it is good to quote the *relevant* part of the posting you are replying to in a reply: - it makes a reply easier to understand: you can put your reply lines exactly under the right line of the original text if necessary. - people might not have the part of the thread or the original posting available anymore because they already deleted it (maybe some time ago already). Providing the relevant context makes a reply much more useful by itself. - if this this relevant context is in an email it is also much easier to use it stand-alone. For example by forwarding it to someone or storing it. Of course always quoting the *complete* post you are replying to is very bad. But not as bad as top posting of course .. :-) greetings, Rob van Nieuwkerk From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 01:24:49 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:24:49 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 19:14 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:21:05PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > > This is deliberate. We want Emacs as part of the default installation > > for all of us Emacs weenies, but Emacs is not a typical end user > > application, > > What is this mythical "typical end user"? We have some hypothetical user profiles sitting on our intranet that should probably move to the Fedora wiki. They are Abby, an office manager, and Horatio, a system administrator. > Ask my wife who has > nothing to do with any computer programming. A machine without > emacs simply for her does not exist or maybe it some kind of toaster. > This is a basic and indispensable tool. Yep, and it still exists. And besides, we're just talking about defaults. Nothing stops you from removing NoDisplay=true from the .desktop file. From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 01:27:16 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:27:16 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102717561f777b9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <604aa79104102717561f777b9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098926836.19734.143.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 20:56 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Suck it up, stand up for the design principle of the default desktop > install concept..and move emacs over to workstation install and give > it an entry in Programming submenu. > If any application fits into the definition of "Workstation" as > defined in anaconda at the moment..its emacs. Sure, fine by me. Let's do it for FC4. From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 01:26:58 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:26:58 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <604aa79104102718264a2cd888@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:24:49 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > And besides, we're just talking about defaults. Nothing stops you from > removing NoDisplay=true from the .desktop file. yeah.. just fire up emacs... from the menu... and edit the file :-> -jef From darren at dzr-web.com Thu Oct 28 01:41:52 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:41:52 +0100 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102717561f777b9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <604aa79104102717561f777b9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098927712.4303.76.camel@excession.dzr> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:56, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > This is contradictory to some extent. > Emacs weenies...pitchs forks and blazing torches in hand demand emacs > be available by default because they can't be bothered to do a custom > install. But the compromise requires a delibrate attempt to hide > emacs from new users and new programmers who would enjoy using emacs > as a development tool. Absolutely. This is not a sensible solution. > Suck it up, stand up for the design principle of the default desktop > install concept..and move emacs over to workstation install and give > it an entry in Programming submenu. Hoorah for commonsense. > If any application fits into the definition of "Workstation" as > defined in anaconda at the moment..its emacs. I couldn't agree more. Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From darren at dzr-web.com Thu Oct 28 01:40:34 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:40:34 +0100 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1098927633.4303.73.camel@excession.dzr> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 02:24, Colin Walters wrote: > And besides, we're just talking about defaults. Nothing stops you from > removing NoDisplay=true from the .desktop file. And do it again and again every time an update is released ... and sit there wondering how many other applications were installed which also aren't on the menu ... and waste time trying to come up with a script to run and find the .desktop files with NoDisplay=true ... How ridiculous. You have use cases for the typical desktop users. If they don't need an app don't install it. *If* it is installed it should obviously have a menu entry. Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From darren at dzr-web.com Thu Oct 28 01:47:25 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:47:25 +0100 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098925437.19734.136.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> <1098925437.19734.136.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1098928045.4303.83.camel@excession.dzr> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 02:03, Colin Walters wrote: > We don't want a Programming menu in the default installation. > > > Are we going to remove that menu > > as well? > > No, if you install devhelp, etc it appears. And will it be populated with an Emacs entry? I'm unclear now on whether Emacs has .desktop file with NoDisplay=true in *all* installation profiles, or only for the default Desktop one. If it is the former then that is ridiculous, and if the latter needlessly baroque. The obvious solution is not to install applications you don't want in the menu, but if an application is installed it should have a menu entry. > Maybe you could make the argument that emacs shouldn't be in the default > install. Dunno. It would be one of the first things I'd install > personally. Yes, but you're not one of the users the desktop installation profile is aimed at are you? > I don't think there are very many people who haven't heard of Emacs > before that would actually take the time to learn and use it from just > clicking it in the menu. That's not the point. How many other installed applications are also not in the menu that someone might want to fire up out of curiosity? Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From feliciano.matias at free.fr Wed Oct 27 19:15:56 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:15:56 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098886394.2725.35.camel@kyrre> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885741.18321.6.camel@steelgoose.com> <1098886394.2725.35.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098904557.3409.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mercredi 27 octobre 2004 ? 16:13 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak a ?crit : > ext is "good enough" anyway. And ext3 is excellent with Linux 2.6. Rock solid and fast. Perhaps not the fastest but the most rock solid. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing stops you from > removing NoDisplay=true from the .desktop file. Sure, as long as I will guess that I have to search there. Not everybody yet is reading fedora-test-list. :-) And the next update will not clobber my changes as these files are marked %config, right? Somehow it do not look that way so far. Michal From michal at harddata.com Thu Oct 28 02:19:34 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:19:34 -0600 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098927633.4303.73.camel@excession.dzr>; from darren@dzr-web.com on Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 02:40:34AM +0100 References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098927633.4303.73.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <20041027201934.C27725@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 02:40:34AM +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote: > and waste time trying to come up with a script to > run and find the .desktop files with NoDisplay=true ... Here you go #!/bin/sh cd /usr/share/applications || exit 1 perl -pi -e 's{NoDisplay=true}{NoDisplay=false}' \ $(grep -l NoDisplay=true *.desktop) exit :-) Results are maybe not exactly what you truly want. To find only just run grep part. Michal From kevymac at yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 02:20:51 2004 From: kevymac at yahoo.com (Kevin McConnell) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fedora Core 3 RC1 Updates In-Reply-To: <1098924381.3686.3.camel@limbo> Message-ID: <20041028022051.55581.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tim Ryder wrote: > I installed FC3-RC1 and all went well. RC2 just > came out and FC3 final > is just around the corner. Since RC1 is so close to > FC3 final, will I > be able to just change my repos and install the > redhat-release package, > then update via yum to get to FC3 final or will I > have to download the > ISO and install again? Tim, FWIW, the preferred method of testing releases is to reinstall fresh, although upgrading a final release of a previous core version to these test releases wouldn't hurt either, as nobody should be using release candidates in a production environment. You could also just stay current with the rawhide packages if you wanted up to the minute fixes for the time being. HTH ===== Kevin C. McConnell --RHCE # 805299480800193 since July 2, 1999-- Freedom in software, now freedom in life. http://www.freestateproject.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From michal at harddata.com Thu Oct 28 02:26:44 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:26:44 -0600 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098928045.4303.83.camel@excession.dzr>; from darren@dzr-web.com on Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 02:47:25AM +0100 References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> <1098925437.19734.136.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098928045.4303.83.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <20041027202644.D27725@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 02:47:25AM +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote: > The obvious > solution is not to install applications you don't want in the menu, but > if an application is installed it should have a menu entry. Are you sure what you are asking for? What is "an application" is not always clear and tapping twice on a tab key in bash comes on my test installation with a number 3078. Or an application is something which has a corresponding .desktop file? Then Colin may simply remove the later. :-) Michal From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Oct 28 02:45:02 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:45:02 -0700 Subject: no yum sources for fc3-rc2? In-Reply-To: <1098913935.2990.15.camel@localhost> References: <1098913935.2990.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1098931502.4327.53.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:52 -0400, Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper wrote: > I just installed fc3-rc2 clean today--used a network install--and there > was no /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d/* files. Is this right? Or > where should one point to be up-to-date with rc2 (I realize that it's a > quickly-obsolete target and all). Make sure you have the latest 'fedora-release' package installed since it now will come with those files, not yum. > Also, as I mentioned above, I did a network install, but the "add/remove > applications" interface still expected me to have CD's to put in for > changes after installation was done? Is that a known bug, or being > worked on, or should I enter a bugzilla, does anyone know? Add/Remove Applications does not work with network installs at all afaik.. use yum to install new applications you did not get. You can install groups with yum. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From fedora at andrewfarris.com Thu Oct 28 02:53:27 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:53:27 -0700 Subject: FC3T3 ? gdb: no debugging symbols found. Using -g3... In-Reply-To: <1098912134.24086.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098912134.24086.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098932007.4327.58.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:22 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I'm trying to debug a feature in kdevelop 3.1.1. I'm using gdb. I'm > getting a "no debugging symbols found" error in spite of the Makefile > having cxx args of -g3. > > Am I missing something ? Is there something about gcc in fc3t3 that > makes it incompatible with gdb ? No, you just need to install the debug symbols. In the distribution rpms all debug symbols are stripped out and placed in separate rpms named -debuginfo since they are wasted space for the majority of users. # yum install kdevelop-debuginfo To get reasonable info out of it you may need other symbols as well, most (all?) of the libraries are stripped as well. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us Thu Oct 28 03:00:49 2004 From: ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us (Gregory Woodbury) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:00:49 -0400 Subject: no yum sources for fc3-rc2? In-Reply-To: <1098931502.4327.53.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <1098913935.2990.15.camel@localhost> <1098931502.4327.53.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <20041028030049.GA12509@wolves.durham.nc.us> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:45:02PM -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > > Also, as I mentioned above, I did a network install, but the "add/remove > > applications" interface still expected me to have CD's to put in for > > changes after installation was done? Is that a known bug, or being > > worked on, or should I enter a bugzilla, does anyone know? > > Add/Remove Applications does not work with network installs at all > afaik.. use yum to install new applications you did not get. You can > install groups with yum. You can run system-config-packages with the --tree= or --iso= options pointing to the proper URLs. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury `- -' RHCT U The Line Eater is a boojum! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 03:02:45 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:02:45 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20041027202644.D27725@mail.harddata.com> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> <1098925437.19734.136.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098928045.4303.83.camel@excession.dzr> <20041027202644.D27725@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041027200236864d69@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:26:44 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Or an application is something which has a corresponding .desktop > file? Then Colin may simply remove the later. :-) the .desktop files are becoming more important with the recent change to include mime file association in the .desktop file for gnome applications to use. This greatly magnifies the importance of provided a .desktop file for each application AND it greatly complicates whether these files should be handled in the packaging as config files or not. Do we want to obliterate local changes to Mime information with an application update? I could argue either way on the question. So if you want to be able to open up a file in nautilus into an application..like emacs... you need to have the .desktop file present on system to provide gnome with that mime information. Lets beat a dead horse for a second.... /usr/share/applications/gnu-emacs.desktop MimeType=text/english;text/plain;text/x-makefile;text/x-c++hdr;text/x-c++src;text/x-chdr;text/x-csrc;text/x-java;text/x-moc;text/x-pascal;text/x-tcl;text/x-tex;application/x-shellscript;text/x-c;text/x-c++; Isn't that a very interesting default list of associations, for an application that an end-user can't find anywhere in the gnome menus? Now i find it extremely amusing, that I can open up nautilus and I can browse to a .cpp file and I can right click on the file and see emacs in the applications to use for that file, but i cant open emacs from a menu. Hell I can even make emacs the default application to use for ALL .cpp files...but i can't open a blank emacs from a menu. This absolutely, positively seems wrong to me. Why should I, an end-user be able to choose to open up a file with default mime associations in emacs from nautilus and not be able to open emacs to create NEW files? xdvi...i can understand..its strictly a viewer..its not an editor. If i run across a dvi file i want to view in nautilus..fire up an xdvi window and view it, no need for a menu entry....that makes some sense. But emacs...emacs is perfectly functional opened up to a blank buffer...and users... end-users are being exposed to emacs out of context in the nautilus "open with" menu. If it were really going to be delibrately hidden from end-users...strike the .desktop file completely and remove the mime associations other gnome applications are going to use to present end-users with emacs as a viewer option. Let the Emacs weenies...suffer the commandline to use the application the so highly value as to demand it be part of a desktop install, and yet hidden from desktop users. -jef From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 28 03:07:12 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:07:12 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: wget-1.9.1-16.fc2 In-Reply-To: <20041028031556.5ac9cf3b.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> References: <20041027225742.GA15126@redhat.com> <1098916306.3553.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028012906.6ad58448.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> <41803971.9090701@speakeasy.net> <20041028031556.5ac9cf3b.robn@verdi.et.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: <41806260.9080009@speakeasy.net> Good evening Rob, Rob van Nieuwkerk wrote: > > I think it is good to quote the *relevant* part of the posting you are > replying to in a reply: > > - it makes a reply easier to understand: you can put your reply lines > exactly under the right line of the original text if necessary. > Rather than making it easier to understand, the quote only provides immediate context. Sometimes that makes things easier to understand, but sometimes not. This, however, is not a forum for a discussion of epistemology. > - people might not have the part of the thread or the original posting > available anymore because they already deleted it (maybe some time ago > already). Providing the relevant context makes a reply much more > useful by itself. This list, like many others are, at least, presumed to be presented in a threaded context. The "official" list archives are presented as threads, and many modern email clients are capable of threaded views. Many would construe the deleting of messages in a thread as declarative of one's *disinterest* in the thread, or sub-thread. > > - if this this relevant context is in an email it is also much easier > to use it stand-alone. For example by forwarding it to someone > or storing it. > No doubt, but if one has deleted the parent message it could be argued that it is hardly likely that a "context-less" or top-posted reply would be considered worthy enough to be personally archived or forwarded to others. > Of course always quoting the *complete* post you are replying to is > very bad. But not as bad as top posting of course .. :-) > Perhaps those replies should simply meet the same fate as the previous parts of the thread that were deleted. Many people err, and sometimes a top-post will happen. Sometimes things like top-posts happen because the poster is unfamiliar with the latest advances in etiquette for mailing lists. Sometimes people just make mistakes and hit "send" too quickly. If one feels it necessary to correct another on topics such as top-posting or other etiquette issues, one might consider avoiding humorous salutations such as "Hi, top poster". I doubt however, that an appeal to etiquette could be legitimately sustained when one considers that the use of humor while correcting another is indistinguishable from sarcasm. Finally, let me apologize for committing one of the greatest sins against mailing list etiquette, i.e., hijacking the thread. -- Andrew From katzj at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 03:20:01 2004 From: katzj at redhat.com (Jeremy Katz) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:20:01 -0400 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098901704.3365.57.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1098933601.3876.1.camel@bree.local.net> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 14:59 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:04 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > > > > > 1. reiserfs-utils needs to be put back on CD1 so minimal install will > > > > work with only 1 CD. > > > > > > We don't support reiserfs, and moving the package onto CD1 might bump > > > other more important stuff off of CD1... > > > > > > > So why the heck is reiserfs-utils included in the package list for the > > "Minimal" install, then? It's not that commonly used, it's not on disc > > 1, it's not "supported"... why bloat the package list? > > Interesting question. reiserfs-utils is not listed in the 'comps' file so > I don't know how it gets considered a 'minimal' package. Is there another > package that Requires: reiserfs-utils? It only gets pulled in if you have a reiserfs filesystem (since then you need it for things like fsck to work) Jeremy From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 03:36:49 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:36:49 -0400 Subject: sound-juicer Message-ID: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Does the current sound-juicer in rawhide (0.5.14-1) actually find CDROMs for anyone else? It only works for me if I enable HAL in the build, which I had for the local RPM I had installed, but which somehow didn't get into the build system. If it doesn't work for you, can you try this (s)RPM? http://people.redhat.com/walters/sound-juicer-0.5.14-2.i386.rpm http://people.redhat.com/walters/sound-juicer-0.5.14-2.src.rpm From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 03:51:28 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:51:28 -0400 Subject: sound-juicer In-Reply-To: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <604aa79104102720515216158e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:36:49 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > Does the current sound-juicer in rawhide (0.5.14-1) actually find CDROMs > for anyone else? It only works for me if I enable HAL in the build, > which I had for the local RPM I had installed, but which somehow didn't > get into the build system. It seems to find my cdrom just fine actually.... extracting an ogg right now just to make sure....yep.. works. -jef"why oh why did i have to grab the gerardo album to rip... rico suave is stuck in my head now"spaleta From linhardt at swbell.net Thu Oct 28 03:52:12 2004 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:52:12 -0500 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound Message-ID: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> This involves FC3, test 3. My sound card is recognized, but I do not hear anything. I had previously installed both Fedora Core 2 and Core 3, Test 1, and the sound card was recognized and functioned properly. The system "sees" AC'97 Audio Controller, with Module snd-intel8x0. I tried running the command "system-config-soundcard" from the command line. Besides a GUI interface to test the sound (again, no sound), I got the following messages in the terminal window: Warning: rate not accurate. Requested 44100 Hz, got 48000 Hz. and then: aplay: pcm_write:1115 write error: input/output error Any help or guidance? As I said above, I'm puzzled especially since I never had a problem with prior versions of Fedora. (And if I boot XP, the soundcard is functioning properly). Terry From walters at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 04:04:41 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:04:41 -0400 Subject: sound-juicer In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102720515216158e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <604aa79104102720515216158e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098936281.3787.14.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 23:51 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:36:49 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > Does the current sound-juicer in rawhide (0.5.14-1) actually find CDROMs > > for anyone else? It only works for me if I enable HAL in the build, > > which I had for the local RPM I had installed, but which somehow didn't > > get into the build system. > > It seems to find my cdrom just fine actually.... extracting an ogg > right now just to make sure....yep.. works. The current version does, or the test RPM does? From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 04:08:49 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:08:49 -0400 Subject: sound-juicer In-Reply-To: <1098936281.3787.14.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <604aa79104102720515216158e@mail.gmail.com> <1098936281.3787.14.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <604aa791041027210834c21d58@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:04:41 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > The current version does, or the test RPM does? rpm -q sound-juicer sound-juicer-0.5.14-1 -jef From notting at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 04:09:38 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:09:38 -0400 Subject: sound-juicer In-Reply-To: <1098936281.3787.14.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <604aa79104102720515216158e@mail.gmail.com> <1098936281.3787.14.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <20041028040938.GA12738@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Colin Walters (walters at redhat.com) said: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 23:51 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:36:49 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > Does the current sound-juicer in rawhide (0.5.14-1) actually find CDROMs > > > for anyone else? It only works for me if I enable HAL in the build, > > > which I had for the local RPM I had installed, but which somehow didn't > > > get into the build system. > > > > It seems to find my cdrom just fine actually.... extracting an ogg > > right now just to make sure....yep.. works. > > The current version does, or the test RPM does? Current (-1) version appears to work for me. Bill From jerone at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 04:11:59 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:11:59 -0500 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound In-Reply-To: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> References: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00410272111124bced6@mail.gmail.com> This is resolved in the release candidate builds. The fix is upgrade alsa rpms and possibly init . On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:52:12 -0500, Terry R Linhardt wrote: > This involves FC3, test 3. My sound card is recognized, but I do not > hear anything. I had previously installed both Fedora Core 2 and Core 3, > Test 1, and the sound card was recognized and functioned properly. > > The system "sees" AC'97 Audio Controller, with Module snd-intel8x0. > > I tried running the command "system-config-soundcard" from the command > line. Besides a GUI interface to test the sound (again, no sound), I got > the following messages in the terminal window: > > Warning: rate not accurate. Requested 44100 Hz, got 48000 Hz. > > and then: aplay: pcm_write:1115 write error: input/output error > > Any help or guidance? As I said above, I'm puzzled especially since I > never had a problem with prior versions of Fedora. (And if I boot XP, > the soundcard is functioning properly). > > Terry > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 04:10:11 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:10:11 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.11 available Message-ID: <1098936611.2439.11.camel@binkley> Hey Folks, I just pushed a 2.1.11 up and Jeremy was kind enough to build it for me for the FC3 tree. This should correct a number of config file issues people have had. Now instead of silently exiting it will tell you what you did wrong and why the config file is wrong. In some cases it will nicely ignore the error and move along, in others it will point and laugh at you. Please give this update a bunch of tests, we want to make sure things are happy before fc3 is released. Here they are: http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/yum-2.1.11-1.src.rpm Thanks, -sv From jerone at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 04:16:30 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:16:30 -0500 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a00410272116392179d2@mail.gmail.com> Try the FC3 X86_64 realease candidate (just look at archive on list) and see if everything works out. I wouldn't mind seeing how much slower the EMT64 is compared to a true X86_64 CPU like the AMD Opteron :-) On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:21:08 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > We just got a hold of a Dell Poweredge 2850 with dual EMT64's in it. I > thought I would load of FC3 and give it a shot...Are there any issues > that the list knows about that I should watch out for? > > -- > Sean Bruno - TELECOM > -- > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 26 15:48:47 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:48:47 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 10:47 -0300, Alexandre Oliva a ?crit : > On Oct 25, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > Do you mean that RHEL does not have its owner Rawhide during beta > > cycle ? > > I think that's a RHN repository, which certainly goes through more > scrutiny. I may be wrong on this, I'm more of a Fedora-tracking > person myself. > Interesting. It's better to be a RHEL tester than a Fedora tester. Bad to learn this because RHEL is _based_ on FC. Better is FC, better will be RHEL. > >> It's just a dump of the latest > >> builds of every package in the Red Hat build system > > > To be honest, I am not surprised :-) > > Why would you be? That's exactly what it has always been. Has anyone > ever implied it to be anything different? Fine. No problem with this. Explain me these two points from Red Hat : - test Fedora release are not for mission-critical so there is no need of signed rpm and - beta RHEL release are not for mission-critical but we only provide signed rpm Why ? Is signed rpm also useless for RHEL beta ? If it's useless, stop signing (manually or not) RHEL beta packages. > > > Signed rpm mean : You can verify the "origin" of the package. > > Yeah. If it's signed automatically, upon request from some random (or > even specific) machine without interactive password authentication, it > means the signature is not worth much. > > > pub 1024D/1CDDBCA9 2003-10-27 Fedora Project automated build signing key (2003) > > This signature is actually manual. One of the few people who control > the keys has to be there to put it there. OK. And what they do ? They enter the passphrase and go take a coffee. This is not valuable. This can be done with expect. If the build system (or whatever it is) is cracked, the passphrase can be snipped. In all case signing require a secure system ! http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html if your private key is compromised or lost, this revocation certificate may be published to notify others that the public key should no longer be used. Passphrase protected or not, you should revoke the key. > > >> for being generated with a > >> key not protected by a passphrase, stored on a box not exactly secure. > > > Sorry, but it's Red Hat/Fedora concern. > > I am surprise to learn that Red Hat is not able to set up a secure box > > only to automatically sign package. > > Nobody is. One could think it's secure, but as soon as there's a > break in, security assumptions break down, and then, the safer the > keys are, the better. Yes. But automated signing is better than nothing. > > > You can not say "signed rpm is not valuable" because "build server is > > not secure". > > Add to your TODO list : > > - first : Secure build server > > - second : Add an automated signature > > You're mixing things up here. It is (IIUC) sufficiently secure. > Opening up a hole to enable automated signatures wouldn't make it any > more secure; it would actually only reduce the value of such a > signature. > > > Without signed rpm, *each* mirror can content a trojan ... > > Each mirror should be secure. > > With signed rpm, _only_ the build system should be secure. > > No disagreement here. Looks like what you want is something other > than rawhide. You want something that has undergone manual signing. Manual signing or not, I don't care. Seems Red Hat try to push people to RHEL BETA (ok, sound like FUD). > > > AFAIK, all beta packages of RHEL are signed. > > So are all Fedora packages in Fedora Test releases. > > I suppose RHEL's equivalent of the Fedora Core Development tree, > should it actually be a RHN channel as I believe it is, may be subject > to RHN's requirements, which probably includes package signing. This > means it's not latest-and-greatest, but rather > latest-and-greatest-that-already-got-signed. > > > gpg is not a QA. gpg is "only" for security and authentication propose. > > And if it's signed with a key that's not protected with a passphrase, > you're not supposed to trust the key anyway, so what is it worth? > > You > certainly don't get any security or authentication from it. > > (ok, you get a tiny little bit, if you believe that *nobody* will > *ever* be able to break into such an automatic signing machine you're > talking about and steal the signing key from it. I'd rather trust a > secure key.) > > > Do you mean that when package are "manually" signed they are carefully > > checked ? > > No, just that the passphrase is (or should be) entered only on a box > that's physically secure and doesn't accept incoming connections, > which significantly reduces the possibility that someone would be able > to break into it and obtain access to the signing key. And, even if > they somehow do, there's a passphrase protecting it. > > I'll give you that it would be possible to have such a box hold the > passphrase in a signing agent, and have an automated process that > monitors the build system and goes off signing packages as they make > it through it (i.e., without incoming notifications), but this means > that the passphrase would be exposed for far longer than needed to > sign specific packages, making the signing key less secure. > > Heck, even the signing key itself shouldn't be available except while > signing packages. It should ideally be in removable media, only > connected to the signing machine while signing packages. > > This all, of course, doesn't mean no attention has to be paid to the > security of the box on which you sign packages. It just means keeping > it as secure as possible isn't enough to ensure the key is safe. > But still *****___better____***** than nothing. Is it a big deal to sign rpm even if the secret key (or build system) is poorly protected ? What append if the build server is cracked ? Nothing. It's like having none signed rpm (like the current practise). What append if the secret key is cracked/steal ? Nothing. It's like having none signed rpm (like the current practise). What damage this will cause the Red Hat business ? Nothing. http://fedora.redhat.com/ : The Fedora Project is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc. If Fedora sign Rawhide packages (automated or not), the worse thing that can append is to be back to the current situation. No more. Why Red Hat are afraid about signing Rawhide packages ? I don't understand Red Hat. The only reason is to push testers to RHEL BETA. (ok, FUD, but I don't see other reasons). As long as the secret key is ... secret, automated (or not) signed rpm is better than nothing. And _never_ worse than nothing ! As long as the secret key is keep secret, I can use confidently mirror (or at least it's not worse than the current situation). Signing is _always_ better than nothing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From lsomike at futzin.com Thu Oct 28 04:34:19 2004 From: lsomike at futzin.com (Mike Klinke) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:34:19 -0500 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00410272111124bced6@mail.gmail.com> References: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> <9f50a7a00410272111124bced6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410272334.19990.lsomike@futzin.com> On Wednesday 27 October 2004 23:11, Jerone Young wrote: >> This involves FC3, test 3. My sound card is recognized, but >>I do not hear anything. > This is resolved in the release candidate builds. The fix is > upgrade alsa rpms and possibly init . Hmm, I was under the impression that the release candidates offered in the past few days were snapshots of the test 3 repositories at a particular point but you seem to be saying otherwise here. Is test 3 no longer representative of the final realease? Regards, Mike Klinke From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 28 04:34:29 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:34:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum 2.1.11 available In-Reply-To: <1098936611.2439.11.camel@binkley> References: <1098936611.2439.11.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, seth vidal wrote: > Here they are: > > http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm I get MD5 error with this rpm. [root at n-gage-11 ~]# rpm -Fvh yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm error: yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm: MD5 digest: BAD Expected(c8a746121970a9199e5e3e3e449996a4) != (f6764def0e65cf631dac94dd5e73b193) error: yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm cannot be installed I tried using http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/2.1/yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm - and stumbled into a peculiar issue. In the following session - 'yum checkupdate' perhaps just used cached pickle info and hence the output is inaccurate?. Shouldn't it know that it needs to grab some new metadata? Satish ***************** [root at n-gage-11 ~]# yum check-update Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: local repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files developmen: ################################################## 3426/3426 local : ################################################## 10/10 Excluding Packages in global exclude list Finished evolution.i386 2.0.2-3 development [root at n-gage-11 ~]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: development repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: local repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 952 kB 00:03 MD Read : ################################################## 3426/3426 developmen: ################################################## 3426/3426 local : ################################################## 10/10 Excluding Packages in global exclude list Finished Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for python-devel to pack into transaction set. python-devel-2.3.4-11.i38 100% |=========================| 60 kB 00:00 ---> Package python-devel.i386 0:2.3.4-11 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for gcc-c++ to pack into transaction set. gcc-c++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386. 100% |=========================| 20 kB 00:00 ---> Package gcc-c++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libf2c to pack into transaction set. libf2c-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.r 100% |=========================| 18 kB 00:00 ---> Package libf2c.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libstdc++ to pack into transaction set. libstdc++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i38 100% |=========================| 18 kB 00:00 ---> Package libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libgcc to pack into transaction set. libgcc-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.r 100% |=========================| 18 kB 00:00 ---> Package libgcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for gcc to pack into transaction set. gcc-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 26 kB 00:00 ---> Package gcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for system-config-packages to pack into transaction set. system-config-packages-1. 100% |=========================| 22 kB 00:00 ---> Package system-config-packages.noarch 0:1.2.20-1 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for python to pack into transaction set. python-2.3.4-11.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 190 kB 00:00 ---> Package python.i386 0:2.3.4-11 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for hal to pack into transaction set. hal-0.4.0-9.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 17 kB 00:00 ---> Package hal.i386 0:0.4.0-9 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libgcj to pack into transaction set. libgcj-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.r 100% |=========================| 24 kB 00:00 ---> Package libgcj.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for gcc-g77 to pack into transaction set. gcc-g77-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386. 100% |=========================| 20 kB 00:00 ---> Package gcc-g77.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for redhat-menus to pack into transaction set. redhat-menus-1.13-1.noarc 100% |=========================| 21 kB 00:00 ---> Package redhat-menus.noarch 0:1.13-1 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for fedora-logos to pack into transaction set. fedora-logos-1.1.29-1.noa 100% |=========================| 12 kB 00:00 ---> Package fedora-logos.noarch 0:1.1.29-1 set to be updated ---> Package evolution.i386 0:2.0.2-3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for cpp to pack into transaction set. cpp-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 20 kB 00:00 ---> Package cpp.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libstdc++-devel to pack into transaction set. libstdc++-devel-3.4.2-6.f 100% |=========================| 51 kB 00:00 ---> Package libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Update: cpp.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: evolution.i386 0:2.0.2-3 Update: fedora-logos.noarch 0:1.1.29-1 Update: gcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: gcc-c++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: gcc-g77.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: hal.i386 0:0.4.0-9 Update: libf2c.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libgcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libgcj.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: python.i386 0:2.3.4-11 Update: python-devel.i386 0:2.3.4-11 Update: redhat-menus.noarch 0:1.13-1 Update: system-config-packages.noarch 0:1.2.20-1 Is this ok [y/N]: From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 04:40:01 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:40:01 -0600 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound In-Reply-To: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> References: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1098938401.1120.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got the same problem. See my posts from earlier today. Did you upgrade or install from fresh ? On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 22:52 -0500, Terry R Linhardt wrote: > This involves FC3, test 3. My sound card is recognized, but I do not > hear anything. I had previously installed both Fedora Core 2 and Core 3, > Test 1, and the sound card was recognized and functioned properly. > > The system "sees" AC'97 Audio Controller, with Module snd-intel8x0. > > I tried running the command "system-config-soundcard" from the command > line. Besides a GUI interface to test the sound (again, no sound), I got > the following messages in the terminal window: > > Warning: rate not accurate. Requested 44100 Hz, got 48000 Hz. > > and then: aplay: pcm_write:1115 write error: input/output error > > Any help or guidance? As I said above, I'm puzzled especially since I > never had a problem with prior versions of Fedora. (And if I boot XP, > the soundcard is functioning properly). > > Terry > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From balay at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 28 04:41:04 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:41:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: yum 2.1.11 available In-Reply-To: References: <1098936611.2439.11.camel@binkley> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Satish Balay wrote: > > I tried using http://linux.duke.edu/yum/download/2.1/yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm - and stumbled > into a peculiar issue. In the following session - 'yum checkupdate' perhaps just used cached > pickle info and hence the output is inaccurate?. Shouldn't it know that it needs to grab some > new metadata? Ah.. Its probably the 'mirrorlist=url' thingy (with mirrors not in sync). I guess I need to get used to it.. Sorry for the noise.. Satish From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 04:41:13 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:41:13 -0600 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00410272111124bced6@mail.gmail.com> References: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> <9f50a7a00410272111124bced6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098938473.1120.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you read my email, I've installed the alsa 1.0.6-3 upgrade and I still have the problem. Please tell me about init. Thanks. On Wed, 2004-27-10 at 23:11 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > This is resolved in the release candidate builds. The fix is upgrade > alsa rpms and possibly init . > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:52:12 -0500, Terry R Linhardt > wrote: > > This involves FC3, test 3. My sound card is recognized, but I do not > > hear anything. I had previously installed both Fedora Core 2 and Core 3, > > Test 1, and the sound card was recognized and functioned properly. > > > > The system "sees" AC'97 Audio Controller, with Module snd-intel8x0. > > > > I tried running the command "system-config-soundcard" from the command > > line. Besides a GUI interface to test the sound (again, no sound), I got > > the following messages in the terminal window: > > > > Warning: rate not accurate. Requested 44100 Hz, got 48000 Hz. > > > > and then: aplay: pcm_write:1115 write error: input/output error > > > > Any help or guidance? As I said above, I'm puzzled especially since I > > never had a problem with prior versions of Fedora. (And if I boot XP, > > the soundcard is functioning properly). > > > > Terry > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From td3201 at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 04:42:54 2004 From: td3201 at gmail.com (Terry) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:42:54 -0500 Subject: switchdesk-gui not installed with KDE or GNOME Message-ID: <8ee06101041027214231496780@mail.gmail.com> I think this should be included if you have more than one desktop environment installed. I see that switchdesk is installed, but not switchdesk-gui. Any reason to leave this out? Thanks, Terry From maxer1 at xmission.com Thu Oct 28 04:56:03 2004 From: maxer1 at xmission.com (maxer1) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:56:03 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC2 install Message-ID: <41807BE3.9000804@xmission.com> FC3 RC2 full install, graphical, was completely successful! RaXeT says "two thumbs up!" RaXeT From jerone at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 05:10:57 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:10:57 -0500 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound In-Reply-To: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> References: <41806CEC.9080507@swbell.net> Message-ID: <9f50a7a0041027221038ec8a41@mail.gmail.com> Actually Terry if you upgrade to RC2 and you are still having the same problem then you need to go to alsa-project.org and report a bug. I know at least with Via82xx driver it will default to only accepting 48k streams if it does not know your card, and not accept 41k streams, you have to set an option to make it work. I have not heard of this for any cards that use the intel i810 driver though. FC3 test 3 is very old now, you should fresh install to FC3 RC2 and then report your bug to the list. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:52:12 -0500, Terry R Linhardt wrote: > This involves FC3, test 3. My sound card is recognized, but I do not > hear anything. I had previously installed both Fedora Core 2 and Core 3, > Test 1, and the sound card was recognized and functioned properly. > > The system "sees" AC'97 Audio Controller, with Module snd-intel8x0. > > I tried running the command "system-config-soundcard" from the command > line. Besides a GUI interface to test the sound (again, no sound), I got > the following messages in the terminal window: > > Warning: rate not accurate. Requested 44100 Hz, got 48000 Hz. > > and then: aplay: pcm_write:1115 write error: input/output error > > Any help or guidance? As I said above, I'm puzzled especially since I > never had a problem with prior versions of Fedora. (And if I boot XP, > the soundcard is functioning properly). > > Terry > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From cpg at users.sourceforge.net Thu Oct 28 05:42:26 2004 From: cpg at users.sourceforge.net (Carlos Puchol) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:42:26 -0700 Subject: sendmail dropping outgoing email on the floor In-Reply-To: <1098929044.18072.342.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> References: <20041027230908.GA31600@rome.puchol.com> <1098929044.18072.342.camel@serendipity.dogma.lan> Message-ID: <20041028054226.GA529@rome.puchol.com> hi alexander, Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Am Do, den 28.10.2004 schrieb Carlos Puchol um 1:09: > > Oct 25 14:25:40 rome sendmail[9106]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(cpg): can not chdir(/var/spool/clientmqueue/): Permission denied > > > noone running into this? > > No. A test with "date | mail -s test recipient" succeeded without a > problem. > > > -c > > With which MUA do you try to send mail? Seems the mail client running as > user cpg tries to directly feed the submission queue. So it is a task to > configure your client properly. i use mutt. from what you say, i am guessing that the cpg in SYSERR(cpg) means that the id under which it is run is cpg. in that case, the issue is understandable that the process cannot go into the clientmqueue. > Or which permissions does the /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail binary have? interesting that you ask that. turns out that it was actually owned by cpg.cpg. hmmm. not sure how that happened, since i typically do all my work under either sudo or su. at any rate, i changed it to smmsp.smmsp and tried again, but got the same issue. furthermore, i got it with the example you mention: [22:12:50](2)rome:~$ date | mail -s test myuser at mydomain.com WARNING: RunAsUser for MSP ignored, check group ids (egid=100, want=51) can not chdir(/var/spool/clientmqueue/): Permission denied Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or TrustedUser. [22:15:30](2)rome:~$ that clearly indicates that the user id _is_ the issue. [22:23:38](2)rome:~$ id cpg uid=500(cpg) gid=100(users) groups=100(users) [22:23:43](2)rome:~$ id smmsp uid=51(smmsp) gid=51(smmsp) groups=51(smmsp) [22:23:44](2)rome:~$ i removed the rpm, but i took a look at the permissions before doing that: 22:24:38](3)rome:cpg# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-xr-x 1 smmsp smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-xr-x 1 smmsp smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [22:24:42](3)rome:cpg# and the reinstalled. i got this: [22:27:55](3)rome:cpg# ll -L /usr/sbin/sendmail* -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 2089729 Sep 13 09:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.exim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 141344 Aug 5 08:03 /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 748296 Sep 1 03:20 /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [22:28:01](3)rome:cpg# which clearly _would_ make things work. if it weren't for the fact that the settings (masquerade and smart host) also reset. then i set them up [22:31:12](3)rome:mail# diff sendmail.mc.rpmsave sendmail.mc 22c22 < define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.comcast.net') --- > dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.your.provider') 153c153 < FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl --- > dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl 159,160c159 < MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(mydomain.com)dnl < MASQUERADE_AS(mydomain.com)dnl --- > dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(localhost)dnl [22:31:33](3)rome:mail# cp sendmail.mc.rpmsave sendmail.mc cp: overwrite `sendmail.mc'? y [22:31:37](3)rome:mail# then restarted sendmail a couple of times from the command line and also from the services GUI, in case i could reproduce it. i can't. so -- i am baffled as to how the user/group and the setuid was changed. i am 100% certain i did not change the permissions or user/group by hand. thanks for your help, even though this will remain a mystery. if nothing else, this prompted me to finally switch to postfix, at least for outbound mail. -c From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 05:58:54 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:58:54 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.11 available In-Reply-To: References: <1098936611.2439.11.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1098943134.2439.13.camel@binkley> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 23:34 -0500, Satish Balay wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, seth vidal wrote: > > > Here they are: > > > > http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm > > I get MD5 error with this rpm. > package on people was corrupted on transfer - jeremy's fixed it now. -sv From feliciano.matias at free.fr Tue Oct 26 15:40:04 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:40:04 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <3795.12.29.16.103.1098802453.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <20041026102528.GD29002@br-online.de> <43131.195.34.133.62.1098789445.squirrel@195.34.133.62> <1098791305.9304.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3795.12.29.16.103.1098802453.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1098805205.7476.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 10:54 -0400, William Hooper a ?crit : > Matias F?liciano said: > > Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 13:17 +0200, nodata a ??crit : > > > >> Fedora Core test (rawhide) isn't signed. > >> > >> > >> Why? > >> > >> > > > > Or : > > RHEL beta is signed. > > Why ? > > You are beating a dead horse. > > A) Fedora Rawhide isn't RHEL. > B) RHEL Betas move slowly (as an example, there have only been a perl > update and an RPM update since the RHEL v4 Beta was released in > September). As Test Fedora, Beta RHEL is not for mission critical. As Test Fedora, Beta RHEL is for test propose. As Test Fedora, Beta RHEL is not a supported product. As Test Fedora, Beta RHEL is public. As Test Fedora, Beta RHEL is only composed with free software. As Test Fedora, Beta RHEL is free ($0). > C) RHEL Betas use RHN. And rpms are signed. useless ? > D) Fedora Test releases (which are a better comparison to RHEL Beta > releases) are signed. And updates are not (contrary to RHEL Beta). So, the question is not closed : Why all Beta RHEL packages are signed ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried fiddling with the settings for what to do on media insertion but that didn't seem to matter at all. /Per -- Per Bjornsson From j.rink at freenet.de Thu Oct 28 06:47:12 2004 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:47:12 +0200 Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3: X displays rubbish on Fujitsu Siemens Scenic xB (Intel 810) In-Reply-To: <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <20041027090646.73fa8b32.j.rink@freenet.de> <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <20041028084712.553e6b21.j.rink@freenet.de> Am Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:29:16 -0700 hat Andrew Farris (Andrew Farris) folgendes geschrieben: > There have been several kernel bugs involving i810 graphics in the > previous months. The release candidate posted below has a much more > recent kernel than test3, try it out and report back to bugzilla or > the list. I hope it works for you.. but if not it would be good to > report it. > > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ Hi, i hope i can download it today in my office. I reinstall with anaconda and let you know. But i hate bugzilla ;-) CU -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From harald at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 08:34:59 2004 From: harald at redhat.com (Harald Hoyer) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:34:59 +0200 Subject: Volume Control not working In-Reply-To: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> References: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> Message-ID: <4180AF33.9050209@redhat.com> Michael A. Peters wrote: > Asus A7N8X Deluxe (uses snd-intel8x0) > > Back when volume controll offered both alsa and oss mixers - getting > sound out of my souncard was a sinch in the OSS mixer - but I never > could get the alsa mixer to work - even though OSS really used alsa or > whatever. > > Now there is no OSS mixer in my sound control panel - and I can't get > sound to work. > > With all due respect - the OSS mixer really is KISS compared to the > Alsa mixer - I do not like the alsa mixer, far too many controlls, and > if good documentation for those controls exist, I certainly don't know > where it is - it's not in the help tab for the Volume Control thingy. > > I've tried turning PCM up - I put the maximum volume up - but I'm not > getting any sound output. > > How the hell do I get my sound back? I really don't like it when I have > to fight with a system to do a simple task. > > For me it sometimes helped to just move the "center" slider.. a little bit left or right, then back to center and voil?, I got sound. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From russell at coker.com.au Thu Oct 28 09:18:36 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:18:36 +1000 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a00410272116392179d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <9f50a7a00410272116392179d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410281918.36941.russell@coker.com.au> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:16, Jerone Young wrote: > Try the FC3 X86_64 realease candidate (just look at archive on list) > and see if everything works out. I wouldn't mind seeing how much > slower the EMT64 is compared to a true X86_64 CPU like the AMD Opteron How is an EMT64 not a "true X86_64"? They both run the same code. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From arjanv at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 09:29:21 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:29:21 +0200 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <200410281918.36941.russell@coker.com.au> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <9f50a7a00410272116392179d2@mail.gmail.com> <200410281918.36941.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: <1098955760.2642.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 19:18 +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:16, Jerone Young wrote: > > Try the FC3 X86_64 realease candidate (just look at archive on list) > > and see if everything works out. I wouldn't mind seeing how much > > slower the EMT64 is compared to a true X86_64 CPU like the AMD Opteron > > How is an EMT64 not a "true X86_64"? They both run the same code. not entirely; em64t is missing a few instructions, has one difference in behavior (which is unspecified so not a big deal) and has a few new instructions compared to AMD64/Opterons. It also lacks an iommu which is a bit of a pain if you have more than 4Gb of ram. I'm not saying "worse" or "better" (both cpu platforms are quite competitive), but stating that there is no difference also isn't correct. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On all of the codes that we have tested, the Opteron is between 30% and 50% faster than the EM64T. -s From vR at movingparts.net Thu Oct 28 10:36:23 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:36:23 -0400 Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3: X displays rubbish on Fujitsu Siemens Scenic xB (Intel 810) In-Reply-To: <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> References: <20041027090646.73fa8b32.j.rink@freenet.de> <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> Message-ID: <1098959784.4350.19.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 03:29 -0700, Andrew Farris wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 09:06 +0200, J?rn Rink wrote: > > Hi, > > the test 2 and 3 are not able to display a correct > > desktop. Windows are displayed, but not refreshed, menues are only > > displayed, when the mousepointer gets over it. > > > > I use a stanard anaconda Pers Desk. Installation with automatic > > generated Xorg.config. > > > > CU > > > > -- > > Nine (not 9) > > Never trust a hippie > > There have been several kernel bugs involving i810 graphics in the > previous months. The release candidate posted below has a much more > recent kernel than test3, try it out and report back to bugzilla or the > list. I hope it works for you.. but if not it would be good to report > it. With all of the test releases for fc3, and continuing with rc2, I see weird font artifacts in gvim and openoffice, most noticeably. They may happen elsewhere, but I can't think of where off the top of my head. http://bbkeys.sourceforge.net/images/screenshot-gvim-funkyfonts.jpg shows an example of gvim doing something weird with the fonts. This happens if I delete a line, for example, and then scroll down with the j or down key. Here's an example of openoffice's weird font problems-- this is just the menu, but the text inside of a document does the same kind of thing: http://bbkeys.sourceforge.net/images/screenshot-ooffice- funkyfonts.jpg Is this what the original poster is talking about, or is this something else entirely? My hardware is an IBM A31 laptop with a Radeon 7500 card with a "ICH3M: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1". -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 10:41:26 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:41:26 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098927633.4303.73.camel@excession.dzr> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098927633.4303.73.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <20041028104126.GA27559@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 02:40:34AM +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote: > How ridiculous. You have use cases for the typical desktop users. If > they don't need an app don't install it. > > *If* it is installed it should obviously have a menu entry. I agree entirely. The problem is that it has been made part of the default install for the convenience of a few users who don't fit the default profile and want to inflict the default profile on others while magically not being part of it. If the base package set for an end user non developer workstation simply didn't include emacs everyone would be happy. Alan From alan at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 10:48:35 2004 From: alan at redhat.com (Alan Cox) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:48:35 -0400 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <200410281918.36941.russell@coker.com.au> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <9f50a7a00410272116392179d2@mail.gmail.com> <200410281918.36941.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: <20041028104835.GC27559@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 07:18:36PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:16, Jerone Young wrote: > > Try the FC3 X86_64 realease candidate (just look at archive on list) > > and see if everything works out. I wouldn't mind seeing how much > > slower the EMT64 is compared to a true X86_64 CPU like the AMD Opteron > > How is an EMT64 not a "true X86_64"? They both run the same code. Almost the same code. EM64T lacks prefetchw() and I believe also 3Dnow. It also has no iommu which may be real consideration if using > 3Gb of RAM. Alan From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Oct 28 11:18:37 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:18:37 +0100 Subject: System Settings=>Network rant Message-ID: <200410281218.38657.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> I want to be able to use my laptop easily in 2 places - home and work. I imagine this is a very common wish. I'm baffled by the enormous problem Fedora seems to be making of this. There seem to be 3 different applications which deal with the issue: 1. The System Settings->Network GUI which apparently comes with Fedora 2. NetApplet 3 NetworkManager I have had prblems with all three. As I said, I'm baffled by this, as the issue seems to me almost trivial. I have two tiny shell scripts which do the job OK for me, so it can hardly require brain surgery. But I'd like touse a standard system if there is one that works. The problems I've encountered: 1. Changes to one profile affect other profiles 2. I tried compiling this, but it did not function at all - probably my fault 3. Seemed only to work with dhcp, which I don't use at home. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl Thu Oct 28 11:25:33 2004 From: borkows at uci.agh.edu.pl (Borkowski Dariusz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:25:33 +0200 Subject: Alsa bug/problem Message-ID: <1098962733.26491.11.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> I did fresh install of FC3test2. Then since today I do "up2date -u --nosig" everyday. So I think I'm very close to FC3final with my package set. I looked also on lsmod output, and everything looked ok (as far as I understand that things). There were couple of sound-related modules loaded and usesd by something else. I'll sent the output of lsmod as I get home. This problem looks similar to described in "Sound Card Recognized but No Sound" thread. Darek Borkowski From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Thu Oct 28 11:37:11 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:37:11 -0500 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <1098903571.5147.6.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098898061.10058.46.camel@davidz> <1098903571.5147.6.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> Message-ID: <1098963431.3507.3.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:59 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 13:27 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:06 -0500, Timothy Sandel wrote: > > > 3. SCSI dvdrom is now correctly recognized, but "/media/dvdrom" > > > > Timothy, try to put this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > in a file called scsi-cdrom.fdi in the /usr/share/hal/fdi/95userpolicy > > directory and restart the haldaemon ('service haldaemon restart'). Does > > that make things work? > > When I rebooted it did work. The "/media/cdrom" directory was created and an fstab entry for added. I wonder why the restart of the haldaemon didn't do the trick. > Nope. Not a really big deal. I manually created an fstab entry and > mount point for the dvd. Just no automount. A little added info. I > have a dvd-writer on /dev/hdc also. > > Thanks for your input though. > > > The thing is, we don't automatically put in entries for SCSI devices > > since they may not be close to the computer (e.g. iSCSI); we might want > > to relax that a bit in the default policy - Alan, does this sound sane > > to you? > > > > Cheers, > > David > > > From tarjei.knapstad at predichem.com Thu Oct 28 11:40:32 2004 From: tarjei.knapstad at predichem.com (Tarjei Knapstad) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:40:32 +0200 Subject: CUPS printing (was: FC3rc2 - please test) In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102710043f8ed5d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <417F2693.7070806@earthlink.net> <200410271257.47016.jeffy5@optonline.net> <604aa79104102710043f8ed5d3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098963632.16190.16.camel@tarjei.predichem.nett> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 19:04, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:57:46 -0400, Jeffrey D. Yuille > wrote: > > The folks at Fedora need to look into this. > > Is there a bug report open about your specific problem accessing cups servers? > I have very very minor problems on my home lan accessing the cups > server on the network, but I can connect and I can print to the > printers managed by the cups server on the network. > If you want other people to look into this, reference a bug report > about the issue, so we can report back on the bug report that matters. > Also it would be helpful to see your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on the server side. Is this a config that was working on earlier versions of FC? (I remember that I had to add BrowseAllow 192.168.1* in cupsd.conf to enable the printer on the cups server to be browsed by clients) It sounds quite strange that this should be kernel related... Regards, -- Tarjei From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 11:48:52 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:48:52 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098884556.2725.13.camel@kyrre> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098878286.3317.1.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098884556.2725.13.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098964132.5788.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:42 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Wouldn't it be an anaconda bug not to do this, ie. not automatically > disable SELinux (and warn about it) when reiserfs is used? Well reiserfs is not supported, hence hidden behind using a special installer option for those unteachable souls that want reiserfs. I don't think Jeremy will put effort into anaconda making it work around deficiencies in unsupported file systems when he's got so much else to do ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 11:50:26 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:50:26 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <20041027150258.GA31064@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885685.10444.9.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098887518.6990.14.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <1098888266.11042.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <20041027150258.GA31064@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098964226.5788.32.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:02 +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:44:26AM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > Which is or is not enabled by default? > > it is enabled by default on new filesystems since fc2 Can it be enabled for existing file systems? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 11:56:48 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > How do you handle the chance that I might regularly use wireless on two > networks, with a (different) static IP on each? The same question > applies to wired networks, but probably less often. What for? (not that its dumb or anything, but I have to believe this is an edge case). Dan From arjanv at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 12:01:41 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:01:41 +0200 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098964226.5788.32.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098884038.30470.81.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <77e74f3e04102706402f0c74a2@mail.gmail.com> <1098885685.10444.9.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098887518.6990.14.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> <1098888266.11042.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <20041027150258.GA31064@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1098964226.5788.32.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098964900.2642.16.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 13:50 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:02 +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:44:26AM -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > > Which is or is not enabled by default? > > > > it is enabled by default on new filesystems since fc2 > > Can it be enabled for existing file systems? yes; you need to tune2fs and enable the flag (-O dir_index), and then fsck -D to fix up the existing directory structure.. 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I think it is related to SELinux, but I can't be sure. -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 28 12:29:05 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> Matias F?liciano said: > Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 08:25 -0400, William Hooper a ??crit : > >> nodata said: >>> A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the >>> lack of signed RPMs for Fedora Core. >> >> How? Would it make you feel better if the fake updates had installed a >> signature first? > > Impossible. gpg check is done _before_ installing the package. Very possible. The fake updates weren't directly an RPM, the instructions had you run a shell script. -- William Hooper From fedora at nodata.co.uk Thu Oct 28 12:34:22 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:34:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > > Matias F?liciano said: >> Le mardi 26 octobre 2004 ? 08:25 -0400, William Hooper a ??crit : >> >>> nodata said: >>>> A recent scam involving fake updates to Fedora has highlighted the >>>> lack of signed RPMs for Fedora Core. >>> >>> How? Would it make you feel better if the fake updates had installed a >>> signature first? >> >> Impossible. gpg check is done _before_ installing the package. > > Very possible. The fake updates weren't directly an RPM, the instructions > had you run a shell script. Yes, but that's not really the point. The point is that the RPMs are not signed. It's not really important how it came to be noticed that the RPMs were not signed (i.e. the announcement about the recent scam) It's not really relevant either than RPMs can verify themselves. The whole point of my post was that there is no way to verify a rawhide RPM originated from Red Hat. True, signing them would devalue the signing key, but NOT signing them devalues the RPMs even more because they cannot be automatically verified using a package manager. > > -- > William Hooper > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 12:39:45 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:39:45 -0400 Subject: yum 2.1.11 available In-Reply-To: References: <1098936611.2439.11.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1098967185.2439.28.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 13:59 +0200, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > On Oct 28, 2004, at 06:10, seth vidal wrote: > > > Hey Folks, > > I just pushed a 2.1.11 up and Jeremy was kind enough to build it for > > me > > for the FC3 tree. > > > > This should correct a number of config file issues people have had. Now > > instead of silently exiting it will tell you what you did wrong and why > > the config file is wrong. In some cases it will nicely ignore the error > > and move along, in others it will point and laugh at you. > > > > Please give this update a bunch of tests, we want to make sure things > > are happy before fc3 is released. > > > > Here they are: > > > > http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/yum-2.1.11-1.noarch.rpm > > http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/yum-2.1.11-1.src.rpm > > Maybe I'm missing something, but "/etc/yum.conf" sports no repositories > at all, and "/etc/yum.repos.d" is empty. You need to install fedora-release from rawhide, too. -sv From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Thu Oct 28 12:47:13 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:47:13 -0400 Subject: What is fine-grained file labeling in ext3? In-Reply-To: <1098966265.4176.20.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> References: <20041027140357.A9FA673904@hormel.redhat.com> <1098886715.23875.16.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098966265.4176.20.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <1098967633.6211.41.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 08:24, Douglas Furlong wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:18 +0200, Borkowski Dariusz wrote: > > What is fine-grained file labeling in ext3? > I think it is related to SELinux, but I can't be sure. Yes. The ability to assign individual security labels to individual files on the filesystem. Requires extended attribute (xattr) support in the filesystem and a xattr handler for the security namespace for that filesystem. reiserfs has an emulation of xattrs implemented as regular files, but the current implementation produces deadlock when used with SELinux upon setting an attribute (unless SELinux is explicitly told to not even try using those handlers, as has been done for FC3/final). There are also permission checking issues; reiserfs attempt to look up an xattr file calls into the VFS and ends up triggering a directory search permission check, and SELinux presently has no way to know that this is purely an internal access to private state by the filesystem itself. Preliminary patches proposed already to the reiserfs maintainers, but they haven't acted on them yet. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Thu Oct 28 12:48:10 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:48:10 -0400 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1098964132.5788.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098878286.3317.1.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098884556.2725.13.camel@kyrre> <1098964132.5788.30.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098967690.6211.43.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 07:48, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:42 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > Wouldn't it be an anaconda bug not to do this, ie. not automatically > > disable SELinux (and warn about it) when reiserfs is used? > > Well reiserfs is not supported, hence hidden behind using a special > installer option for those unteachable souls that want reiserfs. I don't > think Jeremy will put effort into anaconda making it work around > deficiencies in unsupported file systems when he's got so much else to > do ;-). And it should no longer produce deadlock in FC3/final, as SELinux has been adjusted to not even try using the reiserfs xattr handlers until they are fixed. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From russell at coker.com.au Thu Oct 28 13:13:45 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:13:45 +1000 Subject: nash vs. bash In-Reply-To: <20041019191410.GA21239@imp.flyn.org> References: <20041019205156.195a4c74@pscmob01> <20041019191410.GA21239@imp.flyn.org> Message-ID: <200410282313.45831.russell@coker.com.au> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:14, "W. Michael Petullo" wrote: > Have you seen "[Bug 124789] [PATCH] Add encrypted root filesystem?" > I have been working on a patch for mkinitrd that adds support for > encrypted root filesystems. It doesn't look like it will get into FC3, > but FC4 may be a possibility. There was never a chance of FC3, the serious work started after the feature freeze. As for FC4, at the current rate we will hopefully have the infrastructure working, support for mounting other file systems with encryption, encrypted swap, and cryptsetup that can run conveniently from an initrd. Getting the mkinitrd script to do the right thing will be difficult. Getting anaconda to support installing to such file systems will be a significant issue. I don't expect FC4 to have anaconda support for crypto-root, there are too many pre-requisites and the work is non-trivial. If everything else has the features needed to allow the end-user to convert a system to crypto-root after installation of FC4 then I'll be reasonably happy. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Oct 28 13:36:46 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:36:46 +0100 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200410281436.46589.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Thursday 28 October 2004 12:56, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Peter Jones wrote: > > How do you handle the chance that I might regularly use wireless on two > > networks, with a (different) static IP on each? The same question > > applies to wired networks, but probably less often. > > What for? (not that its dumb or anything, but I have to believe this is > an edge case). Are you asking why a person might want to use 2 different static IP addresses? They may have different static IP addresses in 2 different locations. I do. What is an "edge case"? Why on earth would a system like this restrict you to a single IP address? Anyone would think you were trying to solve Einstein's field equations. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 13:46:55 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:46:55 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <200410281436.46589.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410281436.46589.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <1098971215.31511.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:36 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Are you asking why a person might want to use 2 different static IP addresses? > They may have different static IP addresses in 2 different locations. > I do. > What is an "edge case"? > Why on earth would a system like this restrict you to a single IP address? > > Anyone would think you were trying to solve Einstein's field equations. Ok, I understood his question to be "at the same time" with two wireless cards, but I guess that's wrong? Of course I understand the need to have different static IP addresses at different times, I don't dispute that at all... NetworkManager right now does not support having multiple interfaces "active" at the same time, which is what I though Peter was referring to. That's the edge case here (IMHO), not static IP. Sorry if I misunderstood. Dan From russell at coker.com.au Thu Oct 28 13:47:45 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:47:45 +1000 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <20041027175147.SMFQ20518.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> References: <20041027175147.SMFQ20518.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: <200410282347.45331.russell@coker.com.au> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:51, ngc4013 at cox.net wrote: > In the past I too have lost data due to power outages and ext2 or ext3 > filesystems, but now I have exclusively been using reiserfs for about 5 > years now on all my boot drives and on my RAID boxes. I typically see >25% > speed increase when writing out large files and accessing them for > processing purposes and have had zero data loss. Reiserfs4 is looking like > it will provide >60% increase in file writes and a boost in file reads... > wish it was ready for prime time. When I was last using ReiserFS it was impossible to do a full fsck of a file system that was mounted read-only. This meant that certain classes of error which on Ext2/3 could be fixed by a regular fsck run required that the machine be booted from other media. This could be fixed by having reiserfsck in the initrd, but AFAIK no-one has done this. Last time I spoke to Hans about corrupted ReiserFS file systems causing system crashes (not orderly panics) through access to random memory he didn't seem to consider it a big deal. Checking all data structures decreases performance. The ext2/3 developers seem to have a goal of never having a corrupted file system kill the entire machine. Reiser3 has some annoying design deficiencies. One of which is that you can't use a ReiserFS file system to store an image of another ReiserFS file system. This means that for example if you have a file system that is corrupted beyond the ability of reiserfsck to repair you must make sure that you put an image of it on an ext2/3 file system if you want to keep a copy to test new versions of reiserfsck. Otherwise a fsck of the file system which contains the image file will make it contain both sets of files, here's an example: mkreiserfs /dev/hda6 mount /dev/hda6 /mnt cp ~/foo /mnt umount /mnt mkreiserfs /dev/hda7 mount /dev/hda7 /mnt dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/mnt/fs-image umount /mnt reiserfsck /dev/hda7 mount /dev/hda7 /mnt find /mnt -name foo (reveals that the file is there, it's escaped from fs-image). ReiserFS performed much better than ext2/3 for file creation, deletion, and random file stat operations before directory indexing was added. Even afterwards ReiserFS seemed to have a performance benefit in these areas but it was much smaller. ReiserFS performed significantly worse than ext2/3 for writing small amounts of data if you don't mount with notails. Mounting with notails removes one of the advantages of ReiserFS which is better space efficiency for small files. ReiserFS performed very poorly when compared to ext2/3 for writing data to files a byte at a time when I last benchmarked it. Also creating a large hole in a file has given terrible performance for ReiserFS (seek 10G and write 1 byte and the kernel will use some minutes of CPU time and block everything else). One minor bug I found on ReiserFS which AFAIK has not been fixed is that if process A is in a loop of "write 1 byte to file and seek to 0" then another process which opened the same file read-only would not be able to close it (the close would block forever). There is probably some good potential for DOS attacks in that. I like Hans and I like ReiserFS. But the situations in which I use it are limited for the above reasons. Also ReiserFS can not be used as a root file system for SE Linux which is another reason for me not to use it. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From tjb at unh.edu Thu Oct 28 14:06:14 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:06:14 -0400 Subject: FC3RC2 Install on Dell Precision 370 Fails Message-ID: <1098972374.26736.5.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> The kernel can't see the SATA disks. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135644 Anyone have any better luck on similar hardware? It's an Intel 925x chipset. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From profeta at brturbo.com Thu Oct 28 11:28:04 2004 From: profeta at brturbo.com (Profeta) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:28:04 +0000 Subject: Multimedia Message-ID: <4180D7C4.500@brturbo.com> Hi! I usually have multimedia problems with my Fedora Core 2. On the new version of Fedora Core(FC3), what happend with this things, It will maintain ? For example, when I want to saw a preview of a download on apollon, I can't because the multimedia on kde is not installed. Wanna some help with the new version. Thanks for something. Pr0ph3t From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 14:35:41 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:35:41 -0600 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? Message-ID: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got an application semi randomly crashing in FC3T3. A backtrace in gdb always shows the application crashing in the same place: 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 Are there any known issues in glibc ? I'm running glibc-2.3.3-73, according to rpm -q. It only happens under a heavy usage. Thanks. -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From royamitabha at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 14:47:49 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:47:49 -0400 Subject: System Settings=>Network rant In-Reply-To: <200410281218.38657.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200410281218.38657.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <77e74f3e04102807477c12203b@mail.gmail.com> My experience mirrors Tim's so I second his opinion about the Network config utilities in Fedora being too cluttered and too confusing for users. Having many options is good but in this case, it adds to the complexity. There should just be one simple user interface that does everything rather than 3 (or possibly more) alternatives. Why not have one which does everything (maybe have a wizard interface and an expert interface which can be chosen by the user) ? It On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:18:37 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I want to be able to use my laptop easily in 2 places - home and work. > I imagine this is a very common wish. > > I'm baffled by the enormous problem Fedora seems to be making of this. > There seem to be 3 different applications which deal with the issue: > 1. The System Settings->Network GUI which apparently comes with Fedora > 2. NetApplet > 3 NetworkManager > I have had prblems with all three. > > As I said, I'm baffled by this, as the issue seems to me almost trivial. > I have two tiny shell scripts which do the job OK for me, > so it can hardly require brain surgery. > But I'd like touse a standard system if there is one that works. > > The problems I've encountered: > 1. Changes to one profile affect other profiles > 2. I tried compiling this, but it did not function at all - probably my fault > 3. Seemed only to work with dhcp, which I don't use at home. > > -- > Timothy Murphy > e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie > tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 > s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 28 14:51:27 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:51:27 -0400 Subject: gam_server 100% cpu Message-ID: Seemingly at random, gam_server starts chewing up cpu. I don't know what triggers it - it seems to occur every day or so. Killing it seems to fix the problem. This is a serious issue IMHO. From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 14:56:36 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: gam_server 100% cpu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098975396.31511.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Please report the following: 1) What version of "gamin"? 2) Can you 'kill -USR2' the gam_server, and post the log it spits out that's in /tmp? 3) Can you attach to gam_server and get a backtrace? Daniel is attempting to track down these types of issues, but needs a bit more debugging info from users who report these problems. Thanks! Dan On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:51 -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Seemingly at random, gam_server starts chewing up cpu. I don't know what > triggers it - it seems to occur every day or so. Killing it seems to fix > the problem. > > This is a serious issue IMHO. > > From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 14:58:07 2004 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:58:07 +0100 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 08:35:41AM -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I've got an application semi randomly crashing in FC3T3. Which application? If it's a Fedora Core application, please file a bug against it. > A backtrace in gdb always shows the application crashing in the same > place: > > 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 So perhaps memcpy was passed an invalid pointer? Tim. */ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jakub at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 15:00:05 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:00:05 -0400 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041028150005.GM12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 08:35:41AM -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I've got an application semi randomly crashing in FC3T3. > > A backtrace in gdb always shows the application crashing in the same > place: > > 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 Crashes in memcpy means some routine called memcpy with wrong arguments. So the whole backtrace at least is needed, ideally together with /proc/self/maps at the point it crashes. Jakub From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 28 15:00:54 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:00:54 -0400 Subject: gam_server 100% cpu References: <1098975396.31511.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: Dan Williams wrote: > Please report the following: > > 1) What version of "gamin"? > 2) Can you 'kill -USR2' the gam_server, and post the log it spits out > that's in /tmp? > 3) Can you attach to gam_server and get a backtrace? > Do I need to install gam debuginfo? From veillard at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 15:14:09 2004 From: veillard at redhat.com (Daniel Veillard) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:14:09 -0400 Subject: gam_server 100% cpu In-Reply-To: References: <1098975396.31511.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041028151409.GL26196@redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 11:00:54AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > Dan Williams wrote: > > > Please report the following: > > > > 1) What version of "gamin"? > > 2) Can you 'kill -USR2' the gam_server, and post the log it spits out > > that's in /tmp? > > 3) Can you attach to gam_server and get a backtrace? > > > Do I need to install gam debuginfo? no, that should not be needed, Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 15:21:42 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:21:42 -0600 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> It is kdevelop-3.1.1 I don't think that is an FC application ? I've had 2 errors involving Qt3.3.3, which is what is calling glibc: This one was near login: Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". [KCrash handler] #5 0x0676b207 in operator== () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x000001f4 in ?? () from /lib/libdl.so.2 #7 0x067686d1 in QString::operator+= () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 This one occurs regularly in kdevelop: #0 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #1 0x04c73b5e in QString::setLength () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #2 0x04c73f12 in QString::grow () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #3 0x04c77a11 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #4 0x04c77aa1 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #5 0xf65608ea in Lexer::nextToken () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #6 0xf656a0a6 in Lexer::tokenize () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #7 0xf656a2d0 in Lexer::setSource () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #8 0xf65584c6 in Driver::parseFile () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #9 0xf65fbd8e in CppSupportPart::slotParseFiles () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so #10 0xf6603691 in CppSupportPart::qt_invoke () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so #11 0x049ac3a0 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 Note that qt is calling glibc. I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is up with that ? I finally had to kill it.. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 15:58 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 08:35:41AM -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > > > I've got an application semi randomly crashing in FC3T3. > > Which application? If it's a Fedora Core application, please file a > bug against it. > > > A backtrace in gdb always shows the application crashing in the same > > place: > > > > 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 > > So perhaps memcpy was passed an invalid pointer? > > Tim. > */ > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From maillists at awcconsulting.com Thu Oct 28 15:21:40 2004 From: maillists at awcconsulting.com (AWC Maillists) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:21:40 -0400 Subject: Problem with Volume Manager during reinstall Message-ID: <41810E84.60604@awcconsulting.com> I have been playing around with FC3 RC2. I did the following on a RAID5 Array Created a Volume Group: RAID5Array In that VolumeGroup I created the following: Linux / 15000mb Swap 1500mb OfficeData /home 841600mb The system installed fine and booted up fine. After playing around I decided to install again. During re-install I chose to manually configure the partitions... everything looked good. I then went to define the existing volume groups mount points. (Ie: Set the "Linux" LVM to be /) When I tried to define the mount point for "OfficeData" to /home I received the following error message: "Not enough space" "The current requested size (841600.00) is larger than maximum logical volume size (262144.00mb) To increase this limit you can increase the Physical Extent size for this Volume Group" The problem is the Physical Extent for the volume is set to "4MB" and there is no way to change it from this setting. (The pull down menu is grayed out.) FYI, the Physical Extent was set to 32MB when the Volume Group was initially setup the first time. This is a BIG problem as I can not easily reinstall FC3 RC2 without DELETING the existing VolumeGroup (as thus the data). Which kind of completely defeats the apparent purpose of defining VolumeGroups and such instead of using the traditional parition. Can anyone else confirm this problem? --- Charles From tjb at unh.edu Thu Oct 28 15:23:15 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:23:15 -0400 Subject: FC3RC2 Install on Dell Precision 370 Fails In-Reply-To: <1098972374.26736.5.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1098972374.26736.5.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1098976995.26736.8.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:06 -0400, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > The kernel can't see the SATA disks. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135644 > > > Anyone have any better luck on similar hardware? It's an Intel 925x > chipset. > > tjb > -- Turns out to be a BIOS setting. I ordered the machine with two 80GB disks and Dell set the BIOS SATA configuration to RAID. Setting it to COMBINATION works. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From thomasz at hostmaster.org Thu Oct 28 15:24:59 2004 From: thomasz at hostmaster.org (Thomas Zehetbauer) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:24:59 +0200 Subject: gam_server 100% cpu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098977099.11282.66.camel@hostmaster.org> I have seen this problem too, Daniel suspected a loop in gam_server's internal data tree, but I could only provide SIGUSR2 output at that time. Tom -- T h o m a s Z e h e t b a u e r ( TZ251 ) PGP encrypted mail preferred - KeyID 96FFCB89 finger thomasz at hostmaster.org for key The three Rs of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 481 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedora at nodata.co.uk Thu Oct 28 15:29:46 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:29:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Red Hat supporting their apps in RHEL4? Message-ID: <62912.213.164.3.90.1098977386.squirrel@213.164.3.90> In RHEL3, important applications used regularly by Red Hat and their customers - such as mailman, bugzilla and (I think) squid - were not officially supported, but were instead of the "Extras" disc. At least two of these packages seem to be in FC3t3 (I can't do a search for "bugzilla", it returns everything). Does this mean they'll be officially supported in RHEL4? From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 15:31:55 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:31:55 -0400 Subject: Red Hat supporting their apps in RHEL4? In-Reply-To: <62912.213.164.3.90.1098977386.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <62912.213.164.3.90.1098977386.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1098977514.859.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 11:29, nodata wrote: > In RHEL3, important applications used regularly by Red Hat and their > customers - such as mailman, bugzilla and (I think) squid - were not > officially supported, but were instead of the "Extras" disc. > > At least two of these packages seem to be in FC3t3 (I can't do a search > for "bugzilla", it returns everything). > > Does this mean they'll be officially supported in RHEL4? You're on the wrong list. You should ask on taroon-list. -sv From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Oct 28 15:34:36 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:34:36 +0200 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 09:21 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) a ?crit : > It is kdevelop-3.1.1 I don't think that is an FC application ? > > I've had 2 errors involving Qt3.3.3, which is what is calling glibc: > > This one was near login: > > Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". > [KCrash handler] > #5 0x0676b207 in operator== () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > #6 0x000001f4 in ?? () from /lib/libdl.so.2 > #7 0x067686d1 in QString::operator+= () > from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > > This one occurs regularly in kdevelop: > > #0 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 > #1 0x04c73b5e in QString::setLength () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > mt.so.3 > #2 0x04c73f12 in QString::grow () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > mt.so.3 > #3 0x04c77a11 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > mt.so.3 > #4 0x04c77aa1 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > mt.so.3 > #5 0xf65608ea in Lexer::nextToken () > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > #6 0xf656a0a6 in Lexer::tokenize () > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > #7 0xf656a2d0 in Lexer::setSource () > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > #8 0xf65584c6 in Driver::parseFile () > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > #9 0xf65fbd8e in CppSupportPart::slotParseFiles () > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so > #10 0xf6603691 in CppSupportPart::qt_invoke () > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so > #11 0x049ac3a0 in QObject::activate_signal () > from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > Note that qt is calling glibc. All programs use the glibc. > > I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld > running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is > up with that ? See : /etc/cron.daily/prelink "man anacron" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 15:41:00 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:00 -0600 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <20041028150005.GM12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028150005.GM12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098978060.8737.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> cat /proc/self/maps below as requested along with another bt. Other weirdness: I freshened qt and glibc with rpm -F. My computer fan went nuts (I'm on a laptop and I know when that happens that the cpu or disk is working hard.) I opened a Konsole and did a top and found prelink using 60 to 90% of the cpu resources. I su'd to root did a top and killed prelink. I closed Konsole. A few minutes later the fan went nuts again. I opened another Konsole and did a top. I found top (AS ROOT) using 95% of the cpu resources. I exited, su'd and ran top again. I killed the top that was running as root. I then exited Konsole with exit (to get out of su) and exit (to get out of Konsole). I would hazard a guess that Konsole isn't logging out users properly if you close it while being su. I'll bet it is leaving the su process running and it is running away, thus using all the computer resources. This might be a Konsole issue or something that supports it, ie whatever kills users and processes when one closes Konsole. Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. [Switching to Thread -152062272 (LWP 8640)] 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #1 0x02b8ab5e in QString::setLength () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #2 0x02b8af12 in QString::grow () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #3 0x02b8ea11 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #4 0x02b8eaa1 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #5 0xf66308ea in Lexer::nextToken () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #6 0xf663a0a6 in Lexer::tokenize () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #7 0xf663a2d0 in Lexer::setSource () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #8 0xf66284c6 in Driver::parseFile () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 #9 0xf66cbd8e in CppSupportPart::slotParseFiles () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so #10 0xf66d3691 in CppSupportPart::qt_invoke () from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so #11 0x028c33a0 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #12 0x02bf459d in QSignal::signal () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #13 0x028dc0dd in QSignal::activate () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #14 0x028e319b in QSingleShotTimer::event () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #15 0x02864849 in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #16 0x028649da in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #17 0x001b94e8 in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #18 0x02858bbe in QEventLoop::activateTimers () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #19 0x02814bde in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #20 0x02879e75 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #21 0x02879dce in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #22 0x02863a4b in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- mt.so.3 #23 0x0809db71 in main () $ cat maps 00775000-0078a000 r-xp 00000000 03:05 6193243 /lib/ld-2.3.3.so 0078a000-0078b000 r--p 00014000 03:05 6193243 /lib/ld-2.3.3.so 0078b000-0078c000 rw-p 00015000 03:05 6193243 /lib/ld-2.3.3.so 0078e000-008af000 r-xp 00000000 03:05 6258989 /lib/tls/libc-2.3.3.so 008af000-008b1000 r--p 00120000 03:05 6258989 /lib/tls/libc-2.3.3.so 008b1000-008b3000 rw-p 00122000 03:05 6258989 /lib/tls/libc-2.3.3.so 008b3000-008b5000 rw-p 008b3000 00:00 0 008dc000-008de000 r-xp 00000000 03:05 6193244 /lib/libdl-2.3.3.so 008de000-008df000 r--p 00001000 03:05 6193244 /lib/libdl-2.3.3.so 008df000-008e0000 rw-p 00002000 03:05 6193244 /lib/libdl-2.3.3.so 009cd000-009d0000 r-xp 00000000 03:05 6193280 /lib/libtermcap.so.2.0.8 009d0000-009d1000 rw-p 00002000 03:05 6193280 /lib/libtermcap.so.2.0.8 08047000-080d8000 r-xp 00000000 03:05 6045828 /bin/bash 080d8000-080de000 rw-p 00090000 03:05 6045828 /bin/bash 080de000-080e3000 rw-p 080de000 00:00 0 08caf000-08cf1000 rw-p 08caf000 00:00 0 f6dc9000-f6dd2000 r-xp 00000000 03:05 7094320 /lib/libnss_files-2.3.3.so f6dd2000-f6dd3000 r--p 00008000 03:05 7094320 /lib/libnss_files-2.3.3.so f6dd3000-f6dd4000 rw-p 00009000 03:05 7094320 /lib/libnss_files-2.3.3.so f6de0000-f6de2000 rw-p f6de0000 00:00 0 f6de2000-f6de3000 r--p 002de000 03:05 2255274 /usr/lib/locale/locale- archive f6de3000-f6de9000 r--s 00000000 03:05 2261896 /usr/lib/gconv/gconv- modules.cache f6de9000-f6fe9000 r--p 00000000 03:05 2255274 /usr/lib/locale/locale- archive f6fe9000-f6feb000 rw-p f6fe9000 00:00 0 fef1d000-ff000000 rw-p fef1d000 00:00 0 ffffe000-fffff000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 11:00 -0400, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 08:35:41AM -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > > I've got an application semi randomly crashing in FC3T3. > > > > A backtrace in gdb always shows the application crashing in the same > > place: > > > > 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 > > Crashes in memcpy means some routine called memcpy with wrong > arguments. So the whole backtrace at least is needed, > ideally together with /proc/self/maps at the point it crashes. > > Jakub > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 15:42:36 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:42:36 -0600 Subject: gam_server 100% cpu In-Reply-To: <20041028151409.GL26196@redhat.com> References: <1098975396.31511.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <20041028151409.GL26196@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098978156.8737.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've got a couple rogue processes going to 80+% cpu as well. See my thread on issue in glibc in FC3T3. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 11:14 -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 11:00:54AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote: > > Dan Williams wrote: > > > > > Please report the following: > > > > > > 1) What version of "gamin"? > > > 2) Can you 'kill -USR2' the gam_server, and post the log it spits out > > > that's in /tmp? > > > 3) Can you attach to gam_server and get a backtrace? > > > > > Do I need to install gam debuginfo? > > no, that should not be needed, > > Daniel > > -- > Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/ > veillard at redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ > http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 15:46:28 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:46:28 -0600 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> I never even thought it would be a cron job ! This doesn't explain the top process running as root though. Furthermore, prelink ran for about 10 minutes at 80+%. It is running on an otherwise unloaded 3.2GHz P4 with 1GB RAM. I think there was something wrong with it. I'll run prelink manually and see what happens. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 17:34 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 09:21 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) a ?crit : > > It is kdevelop-3.1.1 I don't think that is an FC application ? > > > > I've had 2 errors involving Qt3.3.3, which is what is calling glibc: > > > > This one was near login: > > > > Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". > > [KCrash handler] > > #5 0x0676b207 in operator== () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > #6 0x000001f4 in ?? () from /lib/libdl.so.2 > > #7 0x067686d1 in QString::operator+= () > > from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > > > > > This one occurs regularly in kdevelop: > > > > #0 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 > > #1 0x04c73b5e in QString::setLength () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > mt.so.3 > > #2 0x04c73f12 in QString::grow () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > mt.so.3 > > #3 0x04c77a11 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > mt.so.3 > > #4 0x04c77aa1 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > mt.so.3 > > #5 0xf65608ea in Lexer::nextToken () > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > #6 0xf656a0a6 in Lexer::tokenize () > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > #7 0xf656a2d0 in Lexer::setSource () > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > #8 0xf65584c6 in Driver::parseFile () > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > #9 0xf65fbd8e in CppSupportPart::slotParseFiles () > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so > > #10 0xf6603691 in CppSupportPart::qt_invoke () > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so > > #11 0x049ac3a0 in QObject::activate_signal () > > from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > > > Note that qt is calling glibc. > > All programs use the glibc. > > > > > I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld > > running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is > > up with that ? > > See : > /etc/cron.daily/prelink > "man anacron" > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From jakub at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 15:53:48 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:53:48 -0400 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041028155348.GN12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:46:28AM -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I never even thought it would be a cron job ! > > This doesn't explain the top process running as root though. > > Furthermore, prelink ran for about 10 minutes at 80+%. It is running on > an otherwise unloaded 3.2GHz P4 with 1GB RAM. I think there was > something wrong with it. If you have upgraded glibc, then nothing is wrong about prelink running for 10 or even 30 minutes depending on how many programs you have instaled and how fast the CPU is. When glibc is upgraded, prelink needs to re-prelink all binaries on your system and all libraries they are using, so in the order of several thousands of binaries and libraries. On the other side, when nothing got upgraded within last day, prelink when not running in its fortnight non-quick mode should take just a few seconds, if caches are really cold worst case a minute or two. Jakub From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 15:56:04 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:56:04 -0600 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098978964.8737.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just ran prelink manually. cpu usage never went over 3%. It was done in 2 minutes. It was not an issue that prelink was running. I think it was an issue that is was running at 80% cpu resources. The process in my kdevelop crash goes to 95% cpu resources as did the root top process. BTW: I updated from a stable and good fc2 install to fc3t3. I'm thinking I'm going to install a fresh fc3rcx in about an hour, unless someone wants to know anything more about the problems I have with this installation. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 09:46 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I never even thought it would be a cron job ! > > This doesn't explain the top process running as root though. > > Furthermore, prelink ran for about 10 minutes at 80+%. It is running on > an otherwise unloaded 3.2GHz P4 with 1GB RAM. I think there was > something wrong with it. > > I'll run prelink manually and see what happens. > > > On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 17:34 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 09:21 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) a ?crit : > > > It is kdevelop-3.1.1 I don't think that is an FC application ? > > > > > > I've had 2 errors involving Qt3.3.3, which is what is calling glibc: > > > > > > This one was near login: > > > > > > Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1". > > > [KCrash handler] > > > #5 0x0676b207 in operator== () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > > #6 0x000001f4 in ?? () from /lib/libdl.so.2 > > > #7 0x067686d1 in QString::operator+= () > > > from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > > > > > > > > This one occurs regularly in kdevelop: > > > > > > #0 0x007f74dc in memcpy () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 > > > #1 0x04c73b5e in QString::setLength () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > > mt.so.3 > > > #2 0x04c73f12 in QString::grow () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > > mt.so.3 > > > #3 0x04c77a11 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > > mt.so.3 > > > #4 0x04c77aa1 in QString::insert () from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt- > > > mt.so.3 > > > #5 0xf65608ea in Lexer::nextToken () > > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > > #6 0xf656a0a6 in Lexer::tokenize () > > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > > #7 0xf656a2d0 in Lexer::setSource () > > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > > #8 0xf65584c6 in Driver::parseFile () > > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/libkdevcppparser.so.0 > > > #9 0xf65fbd8e in CppSupportPart::slotParseFiles () > > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so > > > #10 0xf6603691 in CppSupportPart::qt_invoke () > > > from /home/krlux/kdevelop-3.1.1/lib/kde3/libkdevcppsupport.so > > > #11 0x049ac3a0 in QObject::activate_signal () > > > from /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > > > > > > Note that qt is calling glibc. > > > > All programs use the glibc. > > > > > > > > I did a freshen of both Qt and Glibc and now I've got prelink and ld > > > running as root !!!!???? Prelink is stealing all my cpu cycles. What is > > > up with that ? > > > > See : > > /etc/cron.daily/prelink > > "man anacron" > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 15:57:15 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:57:15 -0600 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <20041028155348.GN12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028155348.GN12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098979035.8737.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Agreed. Prelink was running for 10 minutes at high cpu usage. I think there is an issue here. See the email I just sent. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 11:53 -0400, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 09:46:28AM -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > > I never even thought it would be a cron job ! > > > > This doesn't explain the top process running as root though. > > > > Furthermore, prelink ran for about 10 minutes at 80+%. It is running on > > an otherwise unloaded 3.2GHz P4 with 1GB RAM. I think there was > > something wrong with it. > > If you have upgraded glibc, then nothing is wrong about prelink running > for 10 or even 30 minutes depending on how many programs you have instaled > and how fast the CPU is. > When glibc is upgraded, prelink needs to re-prelink all binaries on your > system and all libraries they are using, so in the order of several > thousands of binaries and libraries. > On the other side, when nothing got upgraded within last day, prelink > when not running in its fortnight non-quick mode should take just a few > seconds, if caches are really cold worst case a minute or two. > > Jakub > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From pjones at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 16:08:34 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:08:34 -0400 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <1098971215.31511.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410281436.46589.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <1098971215.31511.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098979714.6109.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:46 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:36 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > Are you asking why a person might want to use 2 different static IP addresses? > > They may have different static IP addresses in 2 different locations. > > I do. > > What is an "edge case"? > > Why on earth would a system like this restrict you to a single IP address? > > > > Anyone would think you were trying to solve Einstein's field equations. > > Ok, I understood his question to be "at the same time" with two wireless > cards, but I guess that's wrong? Of course I understand the need to > have different static IP addresses at different times, I don't dispute > that at all... NetworkManager right now does not support having > multiple interfaces "active" at the same time, which is what I though > Peter was referring to. That's the edge case here (IMHO), not static > IP. Sorry if I misunderstood. No, I meant at different times. Sorry about any confusion on that one. -- Peter From kaboom at gatech.edu Thu Oct 28 16:09:22 2004 From: kaboom at gatech.edu (Chris Ricker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Sean Bruno wrote: > We just got a hold of a Dell Poweredge 2850 with dual EMT64's in it. I > thought I would load of FC3 and give it a shot...Are there any issues > that the list knows about that I should watch out for? We have several here. I've not dinked with them in a couple of weeks, but the PERC card in them is a new revision, so you'll have to go with very recent (FC3 T3 or later) builds. I also ran into some issues where the megaraid drivers weren't getting loaded by anaconda / getting put into the initrd, so you had to do a bit of handholding of the install and first boot to get it to go. I think Jeremy got all those issues straightened out now though. FC2 and older and Debian you can only install on them by building your own install kernel (because of the updated megaraid driver requirement). RHEL, SUSE 9.x, and SLES all have update disks available which support them. I also noticed some oddities with the Fedora x86_64 kernel at the time on them (memory leaks) that went away when I switched to using kernel.org kernels. I've not had time to look into that further or to see if current Fedora x86_64 kernels behave better on them.... At any rate, no insurmountable issues, but perhaps not 100% "start the kickstart and walk away" (it may have reached that point by now, but it wasn't there 3 or so weeks ago). later, chris From markmc at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 16:09:51 2004 From: markmc at redhat.com (Mark McLoughlin) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:09:51 +0100 Subject: How to enable vino? In-Reply-To: <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098103367.28587.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098104793.2697.63.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <604aa79104101821304681fcd1@mail.gmail.com> <1098162599.2697.67.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098206030.2734.33.camel@kyrre> <1098259980.19814.3.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> <1098260223.4497.51.camel@anu.eridu> <1098266171.4363.87.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1098298236.32459.8.camel@rockhopper> <1098330292.19197.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098979790.1361.26.camel@blaa> Hi, On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 04:44, Aaron Gaudio wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 14:50 -0400, Aaron Gaudio wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 11:56 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > [ snip unrelated discussion ] > > > > I'm still not able to connect to any vino session. Though I have enabled > > it via the Preferences (and have since logged out and back in), I still > > don't see any indication that a vncserver is available. I don't see > > vino-server in a ps listing... should I? What could be keeping me from > > getting this up and running? > > > > After further trials, running /usr/libexec/vino-server manually does > start up vino and let me connect a vncviewer to it. However, I'm > assuming the user is not supposed to have to run this manually > (especially considering the existence > of /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/GNOME_RemoteDesktop.server). Does anyone know > what is supposed to activate the server? How are others running vino? gnome-session is what activates vino-server depending on whether you've enabled it from the preferences dialog. Are you running GNOME? Cheers, Mark. From asantini at movinet.com.uy Thu Oct 28 14:11:14 2004 From: asantini at movinet.com.uy (aldo santini) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:11:14 +0000 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum Message-ID: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> It is posible to upgrade my Fedora Core 2 to FC3 using yum? From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 16:14:57 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum In-Reply-To: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> References: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> Message-ID: <1098980097.28086.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> It should be. If you try it and find problems, let this mailing list know about it, or file bugs in bugzilla. Dan On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:11 +0000, aldo santini wrote: > It is posible to upgrade my Fedora Core 2 to FC3 using yum? > From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 16:17:51 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:17:51 -0400 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1098980271.28086.7.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 12:09 -0400, Chris Ricker wrote: > I also noticed some oddities with the Fedora x86_64 kernel at the time on > them (memory leaks) that went away when I switched to using kernel.org > kernels. I've not had time to look into that further or to see if current > Fedora x86_64 kernels behave better on them.... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132947 A patch for this issue is known and should be applied to FC3 before it ships. Dan From timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu Thu Oct 28 16:24:56 2004 From: timothy at jupiter.stcl.edu (Timothy Sandel) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:24:56 -0500 Subject: lm_sensors works with RC2 except VID Message-ID: <1098980696.3507.21.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> sensors-detect works now and correctly recognized my chipset. The only problem I have is I get an error "ERROR: Can't get VID data!" when I display the sensors. Timothy AMD MP2000 lsmod ... eeprom 12385 0 i2c_sensor 7489 2 w83627hf,eeprom i2c_isa 6081 0 i2c_amd756 9541 0 i2c_dev 13249 0 i2c_core 25921 6 w83627hf,eeprom,i2c_sensor,i2c_isa,i2c_amd756,i2c_dev sensors ... w83627hf-isa-0290 Adapter: ISA adapter VCore 1: +1.74 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) VCore 2: +2.51 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) +3.3V: +3.28 V (min = +3.14 V, max = +3.47 V) +5V: +4.89 V (min = +4.76 V, max = +5.24 V) +12V: +11.86 V (min = +10.82 V, max = +13.19 V) -12V: -12.20 V (min = -13.18 V, max = -10.80 V) -5V: -5.20 V (min = -5.25 V, max = -4.75 V) V5SB: +5.35 V (min = +4.76 V, max = +5.24 V) VBat: +3.47 V (min = +2.40 V, max = +3.60 V) fan1: 2057 RPM (min = 33750 RPM, div = 8) fan2: 5113 RPM (min = 5075 RPM, div = 2) fan3: 4821 RPM (min = 2657 RPM, div = 2) temp1: +37?C (high = +50?C, hyst = +119?C) sensor = thermistor temp2: +35.5?C (high = +120?C, hyst = +115?C) sensor = 3904 transistor temp3: +43.5?C (high = +120?C, hyst = +115?C) sensor = 3904 transistor ERROR: Can't get VID data! alarms: beep_enable: Sound alarm disabled eeprom-i2c-0-50 Adapter: SMBus AMD756 adapter at 06e0 Memory type: DDR SDRAM DIMM Memory size (MB): 512 From pjones at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 16:34:41 2004 From: pjones at redhat.com (Peter Jones) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:34:41 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:34 +0200, nodata wrote: > Yes, but that's not really the point. > The point is that the RPMs are not signed. > > It's not really important how it came to be noticed that the RPMs were not > signed (i.e. the announcement about the recent scam) > > It's not really relevant either than RPMs can verify themselves. > The whole point of my post was that there is no way to verify a rawhide > RPM originated from Red Hat. > > True, signing them would devalue the signing key, but NOT signing them > devalues the RPMs even more because they cannot be automatically verified > using a package manager. The question is still one of gains versus losses. I personally think we gain more by _not_ signing them. If we automatically sign them, we make it more convenient for people who don't want to use --nosig or whatnot on rawhide packages. That's not a win. In fact, it's a big loss. If the packages are automatically signed during the build process, the only thing the signature means is "it showed up in the queue of things to be signed". But if you see a signed package, the impression you get is that it is in some way "trusted". Of course, it isn't trusted. It's just got a signature that says "don't make the user type --nosig". If you _really_ want a way around that, change the update tools so you can mark a repo as being allowed to have unsigned packages. If the problem you're trying to avoid is corruption or injection attacks on a repo, signing the packages still isn't the right answer -- sign the metadata on the repo, and then compare the packages to that, instead. Then there's no misplaced trust on the package, as you'd get by signing it, but there is verification that it is the right package. -- Peter From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Thu Oct 28 16:37:53 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:37:53 +0000 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum Message-ID: Hi, > > It should be. If you try it and find problems, let this mailing list > know about it, or file bugs in bugzilla. > > > It is posible to upgrade my Fedora Core 2 to FC3 using yum? > > You might want to #yum update yum first, and then make sure you obsoletes is turned on in the config or specified on the command line. I know someone wrote up a more complete list Andrew From jerone at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 16:44:57 2004 From: jerone at gmail.com (Jerone Young) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:44:57 -0500 Subject: Volume Control not working In-Reply-To: <4180AF33.9050209@redhat.com> References: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <4180AF33.9050209@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9f50a7a0041028094467e8f818@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, this again sounds like someone using an older FC3 release, if this is the issue that affected everyone. It is now fixed. Try a nice reinstall of the the FC3 release Candidate. On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:34:59 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Michael A. Peters wrote: > > Asus A7N8X Deluxe (uses snd-intel8x0) > > > > Back when volume controll offered both alsa and oss mixers - getting > > sound out of my souncard was a sinch in the OSS mixer - but I never > > could get the alsa mixer to work - even though OSS really used alsa or > > whatever. > > > > Now there is no OSS mixer in my sound control panel - and I can't get > > sound to work. > > > > With all due respect - the OSS mixer really is KISS compared to the > > Alsa mixer - I do not like the alsa mixer, far too many controlls, and > > if good documentation for those controls exist, I certainly don't know > > where it is - it's not in the help tab for the Volume Control thingy. > > > > I've tried turning PCM up - I put the maximum volume up - but I'm not > > getting any sound output. > > > > How the hell do I get my sound back? I really don't like it when I have > > to fight with a system to do a simple task. > > > > > > For me it sometimes helped to just move the "center" slider.. a little bit left or right, then back to center and voil?, I got sound. > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > From ayates1 at lsu.edu Thu Oct 28 16:53:15 2004 From: ayates1 at lsu.edu (Adam Yates) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:53:15 -0500 Subject: yum error-- no key Message-ID: <418123FB.1060501@lsu.edu> can someone tell me what I need to do in order to fix this? thanks! ~Adam ---------------------------------------------- [root at lptp ~]# yum -y update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: testing repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files testing : ################################################## 2622/2622 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.9-1.643 set to be installed ---> Package gcc-c++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package gcc-java.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package gtk2.i386 0:2.4.13-3 set to be updated ---> Package libgcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package comps.i386 1:3-0.20041026 set to be updated ---> Package system-config-securitylevel-tui.i386 0:1.4.14-1 set to be updated ---> Package gcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package system-config-securitylevel.i386 0:1.4.14-1 set to be updated ---> Package selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 0:1.17.30-2.11 set to be updated ---> Package libgcj.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package gcc-g77.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package redhat-menus.noarch 0:1.13-1 set to be updated ---> Package libgcj-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package hal-cups-utils.i386 0:0.5.2-8 set to be updated ---> Package libf2c.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package gtk2-devel.i386 0:2.4.13-3 set to be updated ---> Package cpp.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated ---> Package desktop-printing.i386 0:0.17-3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Install: kernel.i686 0:2.6.9-1.643 Update: comps.i386 1:3-0.20041026 Update: cpp.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: desktop-printing.i386 0:0.17-3 Update: gcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: gcc-c++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: gcc-g77.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: gcc-java.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: gtk2.i386 0:2.4.13-3 Update: gtk2-devel.i386 0:2.4.13-3 Update: hal-cups-utils.i386 0:0.5.2-8 Update: libf2c.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libgcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libgcj.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libgcj-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 Update: redhat-menus.noarch 0:1.13-1 Update: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 0:1.17.30-2.11 Update: system-config-securitylevel.i386 0:1.4.14-1 Update: system-config-securitylevel-tui.i386 0:1.4.14-1 Downloading Packages: warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-c++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-java-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libstdc++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gtk2-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libgcc-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/comps.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/system-config-securitylevel-tui-1.4.14-1.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/system-config-securitylevel-1.4.14-1.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.11.noarch.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libgcj-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-g77-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/redhat-menus-1.13-1.noarch.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libgcj-devel-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/hal-cups-utils-0.5.2-8.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libf2c-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gtk2-devel-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/cpp-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libstdc++-devel-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/desktop-printing-0.17-3.i386.rpm public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/kernel-2.6.9-1.643.i686.rpm From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Oct 28 16:54:58 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:54:58 -0700 Subject: Volume Control not working In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a0041028094467e8f818@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098886478l.11996l.1l@devel.mpeters.us> <4180AF33.9050209@redhat.com> <9f50a7a0041028094467e8f818@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098982497.2908.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:44, Jerone Young wrote: > Hmm, this again sounds like someone using an older FC3 release, if > this is the issue that affected everyone. It is now fixed. Try a nice > reinstall of the the FC3 release Candidate. Updating to the latest package really should be good enough in this case. And maybe try some non-obvious sliders. On my laptop it turns out that the "Headphone" control is the only one that actually matters under ALSA, both for the internal speakers and the actual headphone port... /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From jdennis at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 17:05:21 2004 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:05:21 -0400 Subject: Red Hat supporting their apps in RHEL4? In-Reply-To: <62912.213.164.3.90.1098977386.squirrel@213.164.3.90> References: <62912.213.164.3.90.1098977386.squirrel@213.164.3.90> Message-ID: <1098983121.10799.3306.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 11:29, nodata wrote: > In RHEL3, important applications used regularly by Red Hat and their > customers - such as mailman, bugzilla and (I think) squid - were not > officially supported, but were instead of the "Extras" disc. > > At least two of these packages seem to be in FC3t3 (I can't do a search > for "bugzilla", it returns everything). > > Does this mean they'll be officially supported in RHEL4? mailman is officially supported in RHEL4 and was just released in an update for RHEL3. -- John Dennis From ndbecker2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 28 17:18:36 2004 From: ndbecker2 at verizon.net (Neal D. Becker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:18:36 -0400 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum References: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> <1098980097.28086.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: Dan Williams wrote: > It should be. If you try it and find problems, let this mailing list > know about it, or file bugs in bugzilla. > > Dan > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:11 +0000, aldo santini wrote: >> It is posible to upgrade my Fedora Core 2 to FC3 using yum? >> > I would guess that unless you find a repos using the old yum format, you'd have to update yum first. From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Oct 28 17:24:02 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:24:02 +0100 Subject: yum error-- no key In-Reply-To: <418123FB.1060501@lsu.edu> References: <418123FB.1060501@lsu.edu> Message-ID: <1098984242.4176.22.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 11:53 -0500, Adam Yates wrote: > can someone tell me what I need to do in order to fix this? > thanks! > ~Adam > ---------------------------------------------- > [root at lptp ~]# yum -y update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repo: testing > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > testing : ################################################## 2622/2622 > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.9-1.643 set to be installed > ---> Package gcc-c++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package gcc-java.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package gtk2.i386 0:2.4.13-3 set to be updated > ---> Package libgcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package comps.i386 1:3-0.20041026 set to be updated > ---> Package system-config-securitylevel-tui.i386 0:1.4.14-1 set to be > updated > ---> Package gcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package system-config-securitylevel.i386 0:1.4.14-1 set to be updated > ---> Package selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 0:1.17.30-2.11 set to be > updated > ---> Package libgcj.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package gcc-g77.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package redhat-menus.noarch 0:1.13-1 set to be updated > ---> Package libgcj-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package hal-cups-utils.i386 0:0.5.2-8 set to be updated > ---> Package libf2c.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package gtk2-devel.i386 0:2.4.13-3 set to be updated > ---> Package cpp.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 set to be updated > ---> Package desktop-printing.i386 0:0.17-3 set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > > Dependencies Resolved > Transaction Listing: > Install: kernel.i686 0:2.6.9-1.643 > Update: comps.i386 1:3-0.20041026 > Update: cpp.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: desktop-printing.i386 0:0.17-3 > Update: gcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: gcc-c++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: gcc-g77.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: gcc-java.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: gtk2.i386 0:2.4.13-3 > Update: gtk2-devel.i386 0:2.4.13-3 > Update: hal-cups-utils.i386 0:0.5.2-8 > Update: libf2c.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: libgcc.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: libgcj.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: libgcj-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: libstdc++.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: libstdc++-devel.i386 0:3.4.2-6.fc3 > Update: redhat-menus.noarch 0:1.13-1 > Update: selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 0:1.17.30-2.11 > Update: system-config-securitylevel.i386 0:1.4.14-1 > Update: system-config-securitylevel-tui.i386 0:1.4.14-1 > Downloading Packages: > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2 > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-c++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-java-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libstdc++-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gtk2-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libgcc-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/comps.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/system-config-securitylevel-tui-1.4.14-1.i386.rpm > > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/system-config-securitylevel-1.4.14-1.i386.rpm > > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.11.noarch.rpm > > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libgcj-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gcc-g77-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/redhat-menus-1.13-1.noarch.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libgcj-devel-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/hal-cups-utils-0.5.2-8.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libf2c-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/gtk2-devel-2.4.13-3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/cpp-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/libstdc++-devel-3.4.2-6.fc3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/desktop-printing-0.17-3.i386.rpm > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/testing/packages/kernel-2.6.9-1.643.i686.rpm > > You need to install the GPG keys. the below should install the ones you need rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora -- Douglas Furlong Systems Administrator Firebox.com T: 0870 420 4475 F: 0870 220 2178 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 12:34 -0400, Peter Jones a ?crit : > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:34 +0200, nodata wrote: > > > Yes, but that's not really the point. > > The point is that the RPMs are not signed. > > > > It's not really important how it came to be noticed that the RPMs were not > > signed (i.e. the announcement about the recent scam) > > > > It's not really relevant either than RPMs can verify themselves. > > The whole point of my post was that there is no way to verify a rawhide > > RPM originated from Red Hat. > > > > True, signing them would devalue the signing key, but NOT signing them > > devalues the RPMs even more because they cannot be automatically verified > > using a package manager. > > The question is still one of gains versus losses. I personally think we > gain more by _not_ signing them. If we automatically sign them, we make > it more convenient for people who don't want to use --nosig or whatnot > on rawhide packages. > > That's not a win. That's not a loss. > In fact, it's a big loss. If the packages are > automatically signed during the build process, the only thing the > signature means is "it showed up in the queue of things to be signed". > But if you see a signed package, the impression you get is that it is in > some way "trusted". Of course, it isn't trusted. It's just got a > signature that says "don't make the user type --nosig". > what is the loss ? If the package is signed you can install it with -- nosig or without --nosig. If the package is not signed you should use --nosig and definitely don't trust any mirrors at any moment. So, what is the loss ? > If you _really_ want a way around that, change the update tools so you > can mark a repo as being allowed to have unsigned packages. > This is a _real_ big loss. > If the problem you're trying to avoid is corruption or injection attacks > on a repo, signing the packages still isn't the right answer But i can't still see the loss. > -- sign the > metadata on the repo, and then compare the packages to that, instead. ???? "createrepo --addsign ...." is better than "rpm --addsign *.rpm" ? Why ? > Then there's no misplaced trust on the package, as you'd get by signing > it, but there is verification that it is the right package. ???? You mean I should not trust the right package ? > > -- > Peter > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 18:16:40 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 28 Oct 2004 15:16:40 -0300 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098820114.3084.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> <1098820114.3084.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > set password [lindex $argv 0] Hmm... The passphrase for a valuable gpg key in the ps output? How, erhm, yummy (*) is that? :-) (*) no offense intended to the authors of yum, nor any implication about lack of security or reliability in yum; I just found the wording would be funny :-) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From luya at jpopmail.com Thu Oct 28 18:12:02 2004 From: luya at jpopmail.com (luya at jpopmail.com) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:12:02 -0800 Subject: Updating FC3T3 does make udev not recognizing Windows partition Message-ID: <20041028181203.1A43123C13@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> After I update FC3T3 for the evaluation, I noticed udev does not recognize Windows partition anymore. I thought that was good feature for udev to instantly detect and allow access to non-Fedora partition. I have dual boot and will be disappointed if that feature didn't make to the final release. Any reason for the removal> -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org Powered by Outblaze From goemon at anime.net Thu Oct 28 18:25:39 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: yum error-- no key In-Reply-To: <1098984242.4176.22.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > You need to install the GPG keys. > the below should install the ones you need > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora yum should probably recommend something like this in this failure case. instead of leaving the user to scratch their head. -Dan From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 18:25:34 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:25:34 -0600 Subject: Updating FC3T3 does make udev not recognizing Windows partition In-Reply-To: <20041028181203.1A43123C13@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20041028181203.1A43123C13@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1098987935.8737.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> The 2.6.9 and newer kernels have ntfs r/w access built into them. In KDE you can set the desktop properties to automatically display unmounted partitions. A simple right click will then mount it, ready for use. You could put an entry in fstab and/or automount as well. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 10:12 -0800, luya at jpopmail.com wrote: > After I update FC3T3 for the evaluation, I noticed udev does not recognize Windows partition anymore. I thought that was good feature for udev to instantly detect and allow access to non-Fedora partition. > I have dual boot and will be disappointed if that feature didn't make to the final release. Any reason for the removal> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org > > Powered by Outblaze > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 18:27:05 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 28 Oct 2004 15:27:05 -0300 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098978964.8737.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978964.8737.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 28, 2004, "Kim Lux (Mr.)" wrote: > I just ran prelink manually. cpu usage never went over 3%. It was done > in 2 minutes. If you ran it again, it won't do all the work again, unless you force a full prelink. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 18:28:30 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:28:30 -0600 Subject: I'm about to install FC3Rc3. Any tips ? Message-ID: <1098988110.8737.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> Last chance for anyone wanting info from my FC3t3 update from FC2. I'll be testing a number of things in FC3rc3 as I use it for a few projects. BTW: I've tar'd home and I'l be more or less restoring that to the FC3rc3 install. Can anyone see a problem with that ? I won't be restoring all the files though. Is there anything I need to know about FC3rc3 before I proceed ? -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 18:30:31 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:30:31 -0400 Subject: yum error-- no key In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098988231.859.37.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:25, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > You need to install the GPG keys. > > the below should install the ones you need > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora > > yum should probably recommend something like this in this failure case. > instead of leaving the user to scratch their head. fine by me - could you file an rfe on this? thanks -sv From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 18:39:13 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 28 Oct 2004 15:39:13 -0300 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Interesting. It's better to be a RHEL tester than a Fedora tester. > Bad to learn this because RHEL is _based_ on FC. > Better is FC, better will be RHEL. But still, if RHEL is not tested by lots of people, including Red Hat QA dept, odds are that problems might be introduced in the RHEL code base only, after it forks off the base FC release. > Explain me these two points from Red Hat : > - test Fedora release are not for mission-critical so there is no need of signed rpm > and > - beta RHEL release are not for mission-critical but we only provide signed rpm > Why ? The only explanation I can think of is that testing RHEL is also a way of testing the update delivery mechanism, namely RHN/up2date, so you get to use RHN. Since I suppose Red Hat's RHN server won't ever accept unsigned packages, it becomes a requirement for updates for RHEL beta to be signed. But I don't even know whether such updates are signed in the first place, I'm just coming up with theories, from the little I know about that process. >> This signature is actually manual. One of the few people who control >> the keys has to be there to put it there. > OK. And what they do ? > They enter the passphrase and go take a coffee. This is not valuable. As long as the key is protected, it is valuable in that you can assume that it was signed by the key holder. The more exposure the key gets (which would be necessary for automated signing as part of the build process), the less valuable the signature is. > This can be done with expect. If the key is permanently available and the passphrase that protects it is permanently in memory. > If the build system (or whatever it is) is cracked, the passphrase can > be snipped. In all case signing require a secure system ! Yup. That's why the less widely available the signing key is, the better. If all machines in the build system had access to it, the signature would be worth very little. If only one single, very secure machine does, the signature is far more reliable, and hopefully you won't have to revoke the key as often as in the previous case. > Yes. But automated signing is better than nothing. Not necessarily. If the key is compromised as often as it could with a badly-implemented fully-automated signing process, you'd get to update your key ring daily. How convenient would that be? > Manual signing or not, I don't care. Seems Red Hat try to push > people to RHEL BETA (ok, sound like FUD). It definitely is FUD :-) You're sure welcome to test both :-) > What append if the build server is cracked ? > Nothing. It's like having none signed rpm (like the current practise). Not quite. People would still trust the old key until they find out about the revocation and, by then, it might be too late. Not to mention again the need for obtaining new keys whenever this happens. > What damage this will cause the Red Hat business ? Having keys revoked and new ones issued would definitely look bad. If one can't trust the automated build key, why would any of the others be trusted? Even if there's a web page explaining why you shouldn't trust the automated build key, how many people would jump to incorrect conclusions on Slashdot before getting the facts? > Why Red Hat are afraid about signing Rawhide packages ? We're not. They're signed quite often. Whenever one of the key holders happens to feel like signing packages. > As long as the secret key is ... secret, automated (or not) signed rpm > is better than nothing. The trick here is: how to get the signatures automated without further exposing the key? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 18:39:58 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:39:58 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> <1098820114.3084.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098988798.859.39.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > (*) no offense intended to the authors of yum, nor any implication > about lack of security or reliability in yum; I just found the wording > would be funny :-) Heh[1] [1] None Taken[2] [2] Though if I were to take offense I would definitely do it in a footnote.[3] [3] Footnotes are cool. -sv From david at fubar.dk Thu Oct 28 18:42:18 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:42:18 -0400 Subject: Updating FC3T3 does make udev not recognizing Windows partition In-Reply-To: <20041028181203.1A43123C13@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20041028181203.1A43123C13@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1098988938.5489.28.camel@davidz> Hi, Please fix you mailer to wrap at 76 characters per line, On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:12 -0800, luya at jpopmail.com wrote: > After I update FC3T3 for the evaluation, I noticed udev does > not recognize Windows partition anymore. I'm sure udev recognizes your partition. You're probably talking about hal and fstab-sync. > I thought that was good feature for udev to instantly detect > and allow access to non-Fedora partition. > I have dual boot and will be disappointed if that feature didn't > make to the final release. Any reason for the removal> Basically the ataraid detection in hal isn't complete and that means that, in theory, fstab-sync could add RAID members from IDE drives connected to e.g. IDE RAID controllers to the /etc/fstab file. Which could result in data corruption. That would be very bad. So we played it safe and disabled adding entries for all non- hotpluggable fixed drives for FC3 final. An interesting effect of this is that most multi-boot systems wont get hit by the ext3 xattr bug, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137068 for details. It will still apply for e.g. filesystems stemming from disks in USB or Firewire enclosures. This is something I want to enable when Rawhide for FC4 opens though. Hope this helps, David From j.c.burton at gats-inc.com Thu Oct 28 18:48:18 2004 From: j.c.burton at gats-inc.com (John Burton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:48:18 -0400 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... Message-ID: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> Greetings! First off, FC3-RC1 (yum updated 10/28/04) looks pretty good so far. A couple of minor glitches, but nothing too bad. On problem I'm having & don't know quite how to proceed... I have a 1.5GB USB drive (looks like an old cigarette lighter). It has 2 partitions, both formatted as VFAT - have to communicate with Windows systems. The partitions were created under WindowsXP and have the labels "Common" & Backup" I plug it in to a USB port and it's recognized: > Oct 28 14:04:35 traveler kernel: usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using address 3 > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK6021GAS Rev: GA02 > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler scsi.agent[3950]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-5/1-5:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: SCSI device sda: 117210240 512-byte hdwr sectors (60012 MB) > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler udev[3998]: creating device node '/dev/sda' > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler 05-pam_console.dev[3999]: Restoring console permissions for /dev/sda > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: sda1 sda2 > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4014]: creating device node '/dev/sda1' > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4021]: creating device node '/dev/sda2' Then it creates two mount points > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4039]: added mount point /media/COMMON for /dev/sda1 > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4043]: added mount point /media/BACKUP for /dev/sda2 > But it does not mount them. I can manually mount them by doing a "mount /dev/sda1 /media/COMMON". Now, the question. What do I have to do to have the USB drive/partitions mounted automatically? Thoughts? Suggestions? John From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 19:00:29 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:00:29 -0600 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1098990029.3973.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Check out automount and fstab. Kim On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 14:48 -0400, John Burton wrote: > Greetings! > > First off, FC3-RC1 (yum updated 10/28/04) looks pretty good so far. A > couple of minor glitches, but nothing too bad. On problem I'm having & > don't know quite how to proceed... > > I have a 1.5GB USB drive (looks like an old cigarette lighter). It has 2 > partitions, both formatted as VFAT - have to communicate with Windows > systems. The partitions were created under WindowsXP and have the labels > "Common" & Backup" I plug it in to a USB port and it's recognized: > > > > Oct 28 14:04:35 traveler kernel: usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using address 3 > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK6021GAS Rev: GA02 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler scsi.agent[3950]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-5/1-5:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: SCSI device sda: 117210240 512-byte hdwr sectors (60012 MB) > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler udev[3998]: creating device node '/dev/sda' > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler 05-pam_console.dev[3999]: Restoring console permissions for /dev/sda > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: sda1 sda2 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4014]: creating device node '/dev/sda1' > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4021]: creating device node '/dev/sda2' > > Then it creates two mount points > > > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4039]: added mount point /media/COMMON for /dev/sda1 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4043]: added mount point /media/BACKUP for /dev/sda2 > > > > But it does not mount them. I can manually mount them by doing a > "mount /dev/sda1 /media/COMMON". > > Now, the question. What do I have to do to have the USB drive/partitions > mounted automatically? > > Thoughts? Suggestions? > > John > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From pnasrat at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 19:01:05 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:01:05 +0100 Subject: Synaptics touch pad not working to fullest on FC2 to FC3T3 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098895027.22560.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098895027.22560.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098990065.17008.11.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:37 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > My HP7280 has a Synaptics touchpad as verified in both Windows XP and > Linux. > > I've read in the list of an enhanced functionality driver for this > touchpad, ie includes working scrollbar. The scroll bar on mine does > not work. Touch tapping does work and it did not in FC2. Indeed. > Questions: > > Should a second device ie "Touchpad" appear in this list ? Not sure, I need to look at the Gnome tool to see if it is device aware. It may be possible the preferences you have changed impact your session. If things aren't working please bugzilla under the synaptics component. However see below first: > Why doesn't my touchpad have scrolling like the others are talking > about ? What version of rhpl and system-config-display? Update to rawhide versions and run system-config-display --reconfig to pickup the touchpad. > $/sbin/lsmod: doesn't show anything about Synaptics, mouse or touchpad. Built-in. Paul From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 19:01:16 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:01:16 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:38:02 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > ???? > "createrepo --addsign ...." is better than "rpm --addsign *.rpm" ? > Why ? > > > Then there's no misplaced trust on the package, as you'd get by signing > > it, but there is verification that it is the right package. > > ???? You mean I should not trust the right package ? Rawhide packages...by there very nature shouldn't be trusted. Rawhide packages may in no unspecified order: eat your children pollute your network eat your children destroy your data eat your chidren The problem here is interpretation of what signing a package is meant to mean. You really really really want it to be used for something new, to imply a level of trust intermediate of what its beeen traditionally used for and no signing at all. The LOSS, in this case, is confusion as to what it means when a package is signed. You may comprehend that a rawhide key used in this manner means something different that a full release package signed with the full release key..but i garuntee you the majority of the userbase will NOT understand the difference and will understand that signing by a key == trusted. You want shades of grey in trust, there aren't any. Signing a package should mean exactly one thing...that the person doing the signing vouches for the integrety of that package. You try to make package signing mean more or less than that...and you are greatly confuse the issue for the whole userbase, who BARELY comprehend the need for keys as it is. No one is going to stop and think...oh its signed with a different key, that means its a different level of verifiable trust. Nope, thats not going to happen. The loss in this case comes from a FALSE sense of security inherent in using automated signing. I've seen several people try to explain that to you, but you just don't seem to understand that trying to change what signing means can lead to a false sense of security for people who don't comprehend the change, and that the absolutely worst thing one can do is to inspire a false sense of security. You want to be able to have faith that mirrors are trustable? Is that the extent of the goal? Having signed metadata will serve much better as a verification that a mirror is serving up mirrored packages correctly, without implying ANY extra trustability to individual packages. The metadata has md5sums for each package, to verify the integrity of each package in the mirror. And signed metadata itself lets you verify the mirror is servering up what the master repository expects, without implying any trust to individual packages. Check the metadata signature, then check the md5sums of each package against the metadata at that mirror....that works, without changing the meaning of what signing a package means. -jef From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 19:01:56 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:01:56 -0600 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1098990116.3973.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> You can also set KDE to display unmounted partitions on the desktop. >From there you can right click to mount them. One more thing: because of file permissions, reading and writing FAT partitions isn't the same as a regular Linux partition (ext, ext3, say) On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 14:48 -0400, John Burton wrote: > Greetings! > > First off, FC3-RC1 (yum updated 10/28/04) looks pretty good so far. A > couple of minor glitches, but nothing too bad. On problem I'm having & > don't know quite how to proceed... > > I have a 1.5GB USB drive (looks like an old cigarette lighter). It has 2 > partitions, both formatted as VFAT - have to communicate with Windows > systems. The partitions were created under WindowsXP and have the labels > "Common" & Backup" I plug it in to a USB port and it's recognized: > > > > Oct 28 14:04:35 traveler kernel: usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using address 3 > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK6021GAS Rev: GA02 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler scsi.agent[3950]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-5/1-5:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: SCSI device sda: 117210240 512-byte hdwr sectors (60012 MB) > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler udev[3998]: creating device node '/dev/sda' > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler 05-pam_console.dev[3999]: Restoring console permissions for /dev/sda > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: sda1 sda2 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4014]: creating device node '/dev/sda1' > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4021]: creating device node '/dev/sda2' > > Then it creates two mount points > > > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4039]: added mount point /media/COMMON for /dev/sda1 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4043]: added mount point /media/BACKUP for /dev/sda2 > > > > But it does not mount them. I can manually mount them by doing a > "mount /dev/sda1 /media/COMMON". > > Now, the question. What do I have to do to have the USB drive/partitions > mounted automatically? > > Thoughts? Suggestions? > > John > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 19:03:57 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:03:57 -0600 Subject: Synaptics touch pad not working to fullest on FC2 to FC3T3 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098990065.17008.11.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1098895027.22560.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098990065.17008.11.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1098990237.3973.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm about to install FC3rc3, so I'll see what happens there. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 20:01 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 10:37 -0600, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > > My HP7280 has a Synaptics touchpad as verified in both Windows XP and > > Linux. > > > > > I've read in the list of an enhanced functionality driver for this > > touchpad, ie includes working scrollbar. The scroll bar on mine does > > not work. Touch tapping does work and it did not in FC2. > > Indeed. > > > Questions: > > > > Should a second device ie "Touchpad" appear in this list ? > > Not sure, I need to look at the Gnome tool to see if it is device aware. > It may be possible the preferences you have changed impact your session. > If things aren't working please bugzilla under the synaptics component. > However see below first: > > > Why doesn't my touchpad have scrolling like the others are talking > > about ? > > What version of rhpl and system-config-display? Update to rawhide > versions and run system-config-display --reconfig to pickup the > touchpad. > > > $/sbin/lsmod: doesn't show anything about Synaptics, mouse or touchpad. > > Built-in. > > Paul > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From david at fubar.dk Thu Oct 28 19:08:57 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:08:57 -0400 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1098990538.3934.2.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:48 -0400, John Burton wrote: > But it does not mount them. I can manually mount them by doing a > "mount /dev/sda1 /media/COMMON". > Doing a mount '/media/COMMON' or 'mount /dev/sda1' would suffice, FWIW. > Now, the question. What do I have to do to have the USB drive/partitions > mounted automatically? > In GNOME there's gnome-volume-manager that is installed by default and the default configuration will mount them either when you log in or when you attach them to your system. For KDE, there's KDE Volume Manager (that is much like gnome-volume-manager) on kdenonbeta which I don't think we ship. You could submit it to fedora.us to get it packaged and then it could end up in FC4. HTH, David From perbj at stanford.edu Thu Oct 28 19:08:25 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:08:25 -0700 Subject: Synaptics touch pad not working to fullest on FC2 to FC3T3 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098990237.3973.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098895027.22560.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098990065.17008.11.camel@anu.eridu> <1098990237.3973.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098990505.2908.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 12:03, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > I'm about to install FC3rc3, so I'll see what happens there. If you're doing an upgrade from FC2 I'm pretty sure that you'll have to make sure to install the Synaptics driver (called "synaptics") and then run the display configuration tool starting from scatch ("system-config-diplay --reconfig") to get X to actually use the driver. On a fresh install, this should get pulled in automatically I think? /Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From david at fubar.dk Thu Oct 28 19:11:45 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:11:45 -0400 Subject: sound-juicer In-Reply-To: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <1098934609.3787.10.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1098990706.3934.5.camel@davidz> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 23:36 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > Does the current sound-juicer in rawhide (0.5.14-1) actually find CDROMs > for anyone else? It only works for me if I enable HAL in the build, > which I had for the local RPM I had installed, but which somehow didn't > get into the build system. > Interesting. With only my local CDRW/DVDROM drive in my Thinkpad T41 it works nicely. If I attach an external DVD+-RW USB2 drive then SJ complains there are no drives attached even though I now got two of them. > If it doesn't work for you, can you try this (s)RPM? > http://people.redhat.com/walters/sound-juicer-0.5.14-2.i386.rpm > http://people.redhat.com/walters/sound-juicer-0.5.14-2.src.rpm > These work like a charm. They should go into FC3. Cheers, David From pnasrat at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 19:11:42 2004 From: pnasrat at redhat.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:11:42 +0100 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:21 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > We just got a hold of a Dell Poweredge 2850 with dual EMT64's in it. I > thought I would load of FC3 and give it a shot...Are there any issues > that the list knows about that I should watch out for? There is a yum multilib arch bug which is fixed in CVS. Workaround - change /etc/rpm/platform to: x86_64-redhat-linux Paul From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 19:12:43 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:12:43 -0400 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1098990763.859.41.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:11, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:21 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > > We just got a hold of a Dell Poweredge 2850 with dual EMT64's in it. I > > thought I would load of FC3 and give it a shot...Are there any issues > > that the list knows about that I should watch out for? > > There is a yum multilib arch bug which is fixed in CVS. Workaround - > change /etc/rpm/platform to: > > x86_64-redhat-linux Working on getting this applied for fc3 final. If it can't get in it will be out as an update for fc3 soon after the release. -sv From tjb at unh.edu Thu Oct 28 19:16:01 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:16:01 -0400 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> Message-ID: <1098990961.10594.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 20:11 +0100, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:21 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > > We just got a hold of a Dell Poweredge 2850 with dual EMT64's in it. I > > thought I would load of FC3 and give it a shot...Are there any issues > > that the list knows about that I should watch out for? > > There is a yum multilib arch bug which is fixed in CVS. Workaround - > change /etc/rpm/platform to: > > x86_64-redhat-linux > > Paul > I just did an FC3RC2 and am experiencing this bug. One question - is my install fundamentally broken in some way? Like for instance, why do I have two versions of hal installed: scatterbrain> alias rpmwhat rpm -q --qf '%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}.rpm\n' scatterbrain> rpmwhat hal hal-0.4.0-5.i386.rpm hal-0.4.0-5.x86_64.rpm scatterbrain> Thanks, tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From lux at diesel-research.com Thu Oct 28 19:16:08 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux (Mr.)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:16:08 -0600 Subject: Synaptics touch pad not working to fullest on FC2 to FC3T3 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098990505.2908.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098895027.22560.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098990065.17008.11.camel@anu.eridu> <1098990237.3973.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098990505.2908.119.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098990968.4114.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> If you check my original post in this thread, the hardware was recognized and the driver (synaptics) was installed. I ran cofig-display --reconfig, but it didn't make any change to how the pad operated, ie no scroll. I'll let you know how things work in FC3rc3, hopefully in a few hours. On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 12:08 -0700, Per Bjornsson wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 12:03, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > > I'm about to install FC3rc3, so I'll see what happens there. > > If you're doing an upgrade from FC2 I'm pretty sure that you'll have to > make sure to install the Synaptics driver (called "synaptics") and then > run the display configuration tool starting from scatch > ("system-config-diplay --reconfig") to get X to actually use the driver. > > On a fresh install, this should get pulled in automatically I think? > > /Per > > -- > Per Bjornsson > Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University > -- Kim Lux (Mr.) From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Thu Oct 28 19:17:24 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:17:24 -0400 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098990961.10594.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> <1098990961.10594.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1098991043.859.43.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> > > > > I just did an FC3RC2 and am experiencing this bug. One question - is my > install fundamentally broken in some way? Like for instance, why do I > have two versions of hal installed: it could be that the development packages are unhappy. -sv From dcbw at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 19:21:25 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:21:25 -0400 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098990961.10594.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> <1098990961.10594.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1098991285.3819.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:16 -0400, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > scatterbrain> alias rpmwhat > rpm -q --qf '%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}.rpm\n' > scatterbrain> rpmwhat hal > hal-0.4.0-5.i386.rpm > hal-0.4.0-5.x86_64.rpm > scatterbrain> If there is some i386-only package that depends on hal, and you've got that package installed, then you're going to get two copies of HAL, one for each arch. For example, since openoffice.org isn't 64-bit yet, and since it links to GTK, you're going to have both an x86_64 and an i386 GTK installed in parallel. Welcome to multilib :) Dan From tjb at unh.edu Thu Oct 28 19:23:28 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:23:28 -0400 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1098991285.3819.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1098990702.17008.15.camel@anu.eridu> <1098990961.10594.2.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1098991285.3819.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098991408.10594.6.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:21 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:16 -0400, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > > scatterbrain> alias rpmwhat > > rpm -q --qf '%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}.rpm\n' > > scatterbrain> rpmwhat hal > > hal-0.4.0-5.i386.rpm > > hal-0.4.0-5.x86_64.rpm > > scatterbrain> > > If there is some i386-only package that depends on hal, and you've got > that package installed, then you're going to get two copies of HAL, one > for each arch. > > For example, since openoffice.org isn't 64-bit yet, and since it links > to GTK, you're going to have both an x86_64 and an i386 GTK installed in > parallel. Welcome to multilib :) > > Dan > Thanks. That makes sense. I was thinking that I might have mis-clicked during the install and essentially installed both 32 and 64bit versions of everything. (Is that possible?) I did go for all compatibility options. tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From goemon at anime.net Thu Oct 28 19:30:58 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <200410282347.45331.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Russell Coker wrote: > When I was last using ReiserFS it was impossible to do a full fsck of a file > system that was mounted read-only. fsck of r-o mounted reiserfs filesystems works fine. Maybe you are thinking of xfs? > ReiserFS performed very poorly when compared to ext2/3 for writing > data to files a byte at a time when I last benchmarked it. Since reiserfs is able to fsck r-o mounted filesystems for as long as I can remember, you must have been testing a truly ancient reiserfs (older than 2001?) -Dan From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Oct 28 20:04:06 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:04:06 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 15:39 -0300, Alexandre Oliva a ?crit : > (snip) > On Oct 26, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > If the build system (or whatever it is) is cracked, the passphrase can > > be snipped. In all case signing require a secure system ! > > Yup. That's why the less widely available the signing key is, the > better. If all machines in the build system had access to it, the > signature would be worth very little. Still better than nothing. > If only one single, very secure > machine does, the signature is far more reliable, and hopefully you > won't have to revoke the key as often as in the previous case. As often as the server is insecure. Do you mean the build server is a total disaster about security ? If it's the case, why should I even trust unsigned rpm ? Your point don't make any sense. It's up to me to set the owner trust value of the key. And "Marginally trusted" still better than nothing. Just curious, How many time the build system have been cracked ? Once per week, once per year, or once per decade ? > > > Yes. But automated signing is better than nothing. > > Not necessarily. If the key is compromised as often as it could with > a badly-implemented fully-automated signing process, you'd get to > update your key ring daily. How convenient would that be? Come on.... Stop turning around. All you say is "if ..., if ..., if ...". Should I continue to flame with other "if ..." ? With unsigned rpm, no "if ..." is needed. I can definitely not trust rpm package. Period. > > > Manual signing or not, I don't care. Seems Red Hat try to push > > people to RHEL BETA (ok, sound like FUD). > > It definitely is FUD :-) Well, I do my best :-) > > You're sure welcome to test both :-) > > > What append if the build server is cracked ? > > Nothing. It's like having none signed rpm (like the current practise). > > Not quite. People would still trust the old key Come on... Right now people are "forced" to _always_ trust unsigned package. The current situation is worse than "one day, some people wrongly trust a key". I am "forced" to add "gpgcheck=0" to yum. this mean i trust these unsigned packages (even if the packages are already signed with an revoked key:-)). Do you think it's a good security practise ? > until they find out A new argument. The "if ... until ...". > about the revocation and, by then, it might be too late. With unsigned rpm, if any single mirror is corrupted it's already too late to do whatever. Sorry for this "if" argument. > Not to > mention again the need for obtaining new keys whenever this happens. > gpg --gen-key gpg --export --armor key > PUBKEY ftp ... "put PUBKEY". Anyway. we will be back temporally to unsigned rpm. No more. > > What damage this will cause the Red Hat business ? > > Having keys revoked and new ones issued would definitely look bad. I have a revocation certificate for my key. Should I stop using gpg because *perhaps* I will need to use it ? This doesn't make any sense. > If > one can't trust the automated build key, why would any of the others > be trusted? Even if there's a web page explaining why you shouldn't > trust the automated build key, how many people would jump to incorrect > conclusions on Slashdot before getting the facts? if, if... Right now I can *not* trust rawhide rpm. Suppose my mirror (or http://mirrors.kernel.org/) is cracked then Slashdot will be happy to point that Red Hat don't sign their package even if the build system is not cracked. The reputation of Red Hat rely on _all_ mirrors if packages are not signed. If the build system is cracked and Red Hat don't use signed rpm do you think it's better for the reputation of Red Hat ? > > > Why Red Hat are afraid about signing Rawhide packages ? > > We're not. They're signed quite often. Whenever one of the key > holders happens to feel like signing packages. > > > As long as the secret key is ... secret, automated (or not) signed rpm > > is better than nothing. > > The trick here is: how to get the signatures automated without > further exposing the key? > Do what you can. If the key is cracked in 2 mouths I'll enjoy using signed package during 2 mouths. Still better than nothing. Here is the point. Currently Red Hat does not *want* to do any thing for the security. It is the decision of Red Hat (btw, Slashdot will be happy to know this). All these "pseudo technical" arguments are not relevant. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Oct 28 20:14:57 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:14:57 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 15:01 -0400, Jeff Spaleta a ?crit : > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:38:02 +0200, Matias F?liciano > wrote: > > ???? > > "createrepo --addsign ...." is better than "rpm --addsign *.rpm" ? > > Why ? > > > > > Then there's no misplaced trust on the package, as you'd get by signing > > > it, but there is verification that it is the right package. > > > > ???? You mean I should not trust the right package ? > > > Rawhide packages...by there very nature shouldn't be trusted. Rawhide packages should be trusted as rawhide package. Without signature, what seems to be Rawhide package can be anything. > Rawhide > packages may in no unspecified order: > eat your children > pollute your network > eat your children > destroy your data > eat your chidren > > The problem here is interpretation of what signing a package is meant > to mean. You really really really want it to be used for something > new, to imply a level of trust intermediate of what its beeen > traditionally used for and no signing at all. The LOSS, in this case, > is confusion as to what it means when a package is signed. signed package, mean signed package. Go to the gnupg documentation if you want to learn more : http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/index.html > (snip) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So that explain why I couldn't find vfat partition on /etc/fstab. I though the updated messed it up. > > > I thought that was good feature for udev to instantly detect > > and allow access to non-Fedora partition. > > I have dual boot and will be disappointed if that feature didn't > > make to the final release. Any reason for the removal> > > Basically the ataraid detection in hal isn't complete and that means > that, in theory, fstab-sync could add RAID members from IDE drives > connected to e.g. IDE RAID controllers to the /etc/fstab file. Which > could result in data corruption. That would be very bad. > > So we played it safe and disabled adding entries for all non- > hotpluggable fixed drives for FC3 final. An interesting effect of this > is that most multi-boot systems wont get hit by the ext3 xattr bug, see > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137068 > > for details. It will still apply for e.g. filesystems stemming from > disks in USB or Firewire enclosures. > > This is something I want to enable when Rawhide for FC4 opens though. > > Hope this helps, > David > Looks like I will have to use the manual method to enable vfat partition. I thought you choose to enable RAID on the partition (in case I did not). Hopefully, that feature will be available as update in FC3 final release. > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org Powered by Outblaze From luya at jpopmail.com Thu Oct 28 20:31:01 2004 From: luya at jpopmail.com (luya at jpopmail.com) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:31:01 -0800 Subject: Updating FC3T3 does make udev not recognizing Windows partition Message-ID: <20041028203101.00C40398198@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks for the help though it was not what I am looking for. Being spoiled with the ataraid David described, it is hard to go back to manually set the partition. I guess I have to wait patiently. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Lux (Mr.)" To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases Subject: Re: Updating FC3T3 does make udev not recognizing Windows partition Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:25:34 -0600 > > The 2.6.9 and newer kernels have ntfs r/w access built into them. In > KDE you can set the desktop properties to automatically display > unmounted partitions. A simple right click will then mount it, ready > for use. You could put an entry in fstab and/or automount as well. > > > > On Thu, 2004-28-10 at 10:12 -0800, luya at jpopmail.com wrote: > > After I update FC3T3 for the evaluation, I noticed udev does not recognize Windows partition anymore. I thought that was good feature for udev to instantly detect and allow access to non-Fedora partition. > > I have dual boot and will be disappointed if that feature didn't make to the final release. Any reason for the removal> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > -- > Kim Lux (Mr.) > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.jp.popstarmail.org Powered by Outblaze From k7qo at commspeed.net Thu Oct 28 20:32:12 2004 From: k7qo at commspeed.net (Chuck Adams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:32:12 -0700 Subject: FC3rc3 X86_64 DVD iso? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041028133008.04699de0@mail.commspeed.net> Is there any chance of getting the DVD iso to the Internet? The md5sum value is in MD5SUM and it would be nice to test it out before the final release. I have the 4 CDs burned and installed on an AMD Athlon 64 but am willing to reinstall with the DVD version to compare. FYI and thanks in advance, Chuck Adams, K7QO CP-60 WPM k7qo at commspeed.net http://www.k7qo.net/ http://www.commspeed.net/k7qo Moving to Arizona? Bring your own water, please. -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.279 / Virus Database: 264.12.4 - Release Date: 10/27/2004 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Thu Oct 28 21:02:09 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:02:09 +0200 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1098997328.3691.1.camel@kyrre> It makes me wonder... What if i label the partitions the same as another mountpoint? Could this create a security hole, somehow? (such as labeling a partition `rm -rf /` - would that do a "mkdir `rm -rf /` or could anything so ugly be done? tor, 28.10.2004 kl. 20.48 skrev John Burton: > Greetings! > > First off, FC3-RC1 (yum updated 10/28/04) looks pretty good so far. A > couple of minor glitches, but nothing too bad. On problem I'm having & > don't know quite how to proceed... > > I have a 1.5GB USB drive (looks like an old cigarette lighter). It has 2 > partitions, both formatted as VFAT - have to communicate with Windows > systems. The partitions were created under WindowsXP and have the labels > "Common" & Backup" I plug it in to a USB port and it's recognized: > > > > Oct 28 14:04:35 traveler kernel: usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using address 3 > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > > Oct 28 14:04:36 traveler kernel: Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK6021GAS Rev: GA02 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler scsi.agent[3950]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-5/1-5:1.0/host0/0:0:0:0 > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: SCSI device sda: 117210240 512-byte hdwr sectors (60012 MB) > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler udev[3998]: creating device node '/dev/sda' > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler 05-pam_console.dev[3999]: Restoring console permissions for /dev/sda > > Oct 28 14:04:37 traveler kernel: sda: sda1 sda2 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4014]: creating device node '/dev/sda1' > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler udev[4021]: creating device node '/dev/sda2' > > Then it creates two mount points > > > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4039]: added mount point /media/COMMON for /dev/sda1 > > Oct 28 14:04:38 traveler fstab-sync[4043]: added mount point /media/BACKUP for /dev/sda2 > > > > But it does not mount them. I can manually mount them by doing a > "mount /dev/sda1 /media/COMMON". > > Now, the question. What do I have to do to have the USB drive/partitions > mounted automatically? > > Thoughts? Suggestions? > > John From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 21:17:18 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:17:18 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:14 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > signed package, mean signed package. > Go to the gnupg documentation if you want to learn more : > http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/index.html > Mat?as, Even though I believe you have some interesting points, pointing very experienced programmers such as Dave and Jeff to the GNUPG docs is downright insulting and (I would say) entirely inappropriate. *They* have a lot of credibility and have earned a reputation for expertise and objectivity in this community, as far as I can tell from my measly 10 years of participation in it. *You* do not have their level of credibility yet, and disrespect to someone who is giving your points serious thought and consideration is no way to get it. 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In-Reply-To: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1098998391.3373.20.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:17 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > experienced programmers such as Dave and Jeff [...] s/Dave/Peter/ Sorry! -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From david at fubar.dk Thu Oct 28 21:25:44 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:25:44 -0400 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098997328.3691.1.camel@kyrre> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> <1098997328.3691.1.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098998745.3934.51.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:02 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > It makes me wonder... What if i label the partitions the same as another > mountpoint? Could this create a security hole, somehow? (such as > labeling a partition `rm -rf /` - would that do a "mkdir `rm -rf /` or > could anything so ugly be done? > No, we use mkdir(2), not mkdir(1). We also massage the mountpoint so it only contains digits [0-9], ascii letters [A-Za-z], '-' and '_' characters. Notably it wont contain any whitespace. Cheers, David From david at fubar.dk Thu Oct 28 21:28:18 2004 From: david at fubar.dk (David Zeuthen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:28:18 -0400 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098997328.3691.1.camel@kyrre> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> <1098997328.3691.1.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1098998899.3934.55.camel@davidz> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:02 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > It makes me wonder... What if i label the partitions the same as another > mountpoint? Forgot to answer this one: Then the lowest natural number N such that /media/N doesn't exist is chosen (where the mount point candidate is the massaged label, see my other mail). Note that, due to locking, only code from one copy of fstab-sync does this at a time so there should be no races. HTH, David From jspaleta at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 21:33:50 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:33:50 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <604aa791041028143369c708c5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:17:18 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > Even though I believe you have some interesting points, pointing very > experienced programmers such as Dave and Jeff to the GNUPG docs is > downright insulting and (I would say) entirely inappropriate. Uhm, as flattering as this is.. its really not in your best interest to hold me up as an example of a 'very experienced programmer' (unless you are of course talking about programming in terms of mind control and personality reprogramming.) I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm just a small dog who barks... a lot. And frankly I would much rather see Matias citing much much much more specific authoritative documentation, or compelling historical discussion that have come before that can be used for guidance in the current discussion as back up for his personal opinions. Its much easier to discuss our way past disagreements when the disagreement can be viewed in context of authoritive documentation and precedent setting discussion that have gone on elsewhere. But as it stands we are stock in a discussion on par with "less filling/tastes great." If anything i looked at Matias attempt to point me to useful documentation as a way forward, out of the cycle of dispair. It was the first truly noteworthy attempt at education and resolution that I've seen from Matias, and I thank him for it. Sadly I've taken the time to follow his instructions and I have re-read the bulk of the documentation at the gnupg site hoping to find anything that speaks to the risks and benefits of automated signing..and im not seeing much. I see a short discussion on how to do automated signing with gnupg (barely relevant to rpm's specific implementation), but not much in terms of what it "means" to do automated signing in terms of expected security, in the context of generally accepted understanding of what signing a package means for the userbase. -jef"far more willing to read documentation then to listen to personal opinion"spaleta From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 21:37:47 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:37:47 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098999467.3373.25.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:01 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > You want to be able to have faith that mirrors are trustable? Is that > the extent of the goal? > Having signed metadata will serve much better as a verification that a > mirror is serving up mirrored packages correctly, without implying ANY > extra trustability to individual packages. > The metadata has md5sums for each package, to verify the integrity of > each package in the mirror. And signed metadata itself lets you verify > the mirror is servering up what the master repository expects, without > implying any trust to individual packages. Check the metadata > signature, then check the md5sums of each package against the metadata > at that mirror....that works, without changing the meaning of what > signing a package means. > "Servering"? That sounds like a *great* idea, and one that does in fact respond well to the question of making sure that the mirror is serving the exact package which came out of the buildsystem. It is also an idea which will provide more and more value over time as Fedora's developer community grows larger and more open. Now, how does that idea get implemented? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 15:17 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:14 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > signed package, mean signed package. > > Go to the gnupg documentation if you want to learn more : > > http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/index.html > > > > Mat?as, > > Even though I believe you have some interesting points, pointing very > experienced programmers such as Dave and Jeff to the GNUPG docs is > downright insulting and (I would say) entirely inappropriate. Sorry. But I am tired with this mix of authentification, quality, rawhide mean "don't complain", trust own unsigned rawhide rpm but don't trust own unsigned rpm if it's not rawhide, ... arguments. In France, mixing things not really related, we call this "noyer le poisson" (I can't translate). Signed rpm is about authentification. Nothing else. I will not advocate for signed rpm any more since it seems I am near the "only" one to care about. > > *They* have a lot of credibility and have earned a reputation for > expertise and objectivity in this community, as far as I can tell from > my measly 10 years of participation in it. *You* do not have their level > of credibility yet, and disrespect to someone who is giving your points > serious thought and consideration is no way to get it. > > Be nice. I'll try :-) > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 21:45:41 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:45:41 -0600 Subject: System Settings=>Network rant In-Reply-To: <1098975505.5124.0.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> References: <200410281218.38657.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <77e74f3e04102807477c12203b@mail.gmail.com> <1098975505.5124.0.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098999942.3373.31.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:58 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:47 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > My experience mirrors Tim's so I second his opinion about the Network config > > utilities in Fedora being too cluttered and too confusing for users. > system-config-network is indeed overly confusing (even to me, and I'm no newbie in this case) and is not a good design although it *was* a good idea. I am *still* having troubles with it which make me think it is broken, although if it's not then it's definitely horribly designed. > That interface will be NetworkManager eventually. > Does that mean that system-config-network will go away? Yay!!! I mean, no offense meant to the guys/gals who worked hard to code it. But the UI and the choices made are *NOT* the best they could have been. The whole "copy" versus "new" difference between aliases and logical devices, plus the interaction of profiles and devices and what you can/can't do just does not work well. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From douglas.furlong at firebox.com Thu Oct 28 21:50:37 2004 From: douglas.furlong at firebox.com (Douglas Furlong) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:50:37 +0100 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418169AD.4010400@firebox.com> Matias F?liciano wrote: >Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 15:39 -0300, Alexandre Oliva a ?crit : > > >>(snip) >>On Oct 26, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: >> >> >>>If the build system (or whatever it is) is cracked, the passphrase can >>>be snipped. In all case signing require a secure system ! >>> >>> >>Yup. That's why the less widely available the signing key is, the >>better. If all machines in the build system had access to it, the >>signature would be worth very little. >> >> > >Still better than nothing. > > Personally, I do not beleive it is "better than nothing" a false sense of security is MUCH worse then a true sense of insecurity. A subtle difference but an incredibly important one. >> If only one single, very secure >>machine does, the signature is far more reliable, and hopefully you >>won't have to revoke the key as often as in the previous case. >> >> > >As often as the server is insecure. >Do you mean the build server is a total disaster about security ? > > I don't think the server would have to be "a total disaster about security" for RedHat to choose not to have the packages signed. The impression I have got, is there is an "issue" with an automated signing process. However, if they were to use a manual signing process then this is a resource overhead that they are not prepaired to invest in. If developers/"other people" within redhat have had problems getting funding to employ some one to concentrate on bugzilla cleaning out old bugs, assinging old bugs to relevant developers, etc. I sincearly doubt they are going to invest the time in employing more "key signing bodies". >If it's the case, why should I even trust unsigned rpm ? > > You shouldn't, beyond the "faith" in the fact that the rawhide system and associated mirrors have been secure for the past "x" months/years what ever. The thing I do not fully understand, is the fact that all RPM's from both "testing" and the proper releases ARE signed, it's just the bleeding edge development that is not. The bleeding edge development is just that, development, it is not aimed at people to have on their desktop/workstation/servers, it is aimed at testing environments, where things can happily go wrong, with out having catastrophic consequences. I do not understand why it is of utmost importance that in this situation you MUST have signed packages. Even if you are running some rawhide apps on a main workstation/server. You would have to personaly be VERY carefull with updates, due to the nature of rawhide, your checks would have to FAR exceed any validation that the GPG key could give you. >Your point don't make any sense. >It's up to me to set the owner trust value of the key. And "Marginally >trusted" still better than nothing. > > This is true, but it is also up to Redhat (in this situation) to say "Yes, I want to put our reputation on the line here, and say this is some thing you can trust". You have no right to expect them to do that. >Just curious, How many time the build system have been cracked ? >Once per week, once per year, or once per decade ? > > > >>>Yes. But automated signing is better than nothing. >>> >>> >>Not necessarily. If the key is compromised as often as it could with >>a badly-implemented fully-automated signing process, you'd get to >>update your key ring daily. How convenient would that be? >> >> > >Come on.... >Stop turning around. >All you say is "if ..., if ..., if ...". >Should I continue to flame with other "if ..." ? > > ^^^^^ If this is what your doing "flaming" then your argument is lost, it's one thing disagreeing with some one, and trying to sort things out, it's another thing "just looking for an argument" which I always thought "flaming" essentially was. That and general abuse, either way, not very productive. >With unsigned rpm, no "if ..." is needed. I can definitely not trust rpm >package. Period. > > Personally I would have said "I can definetely not trust rawhide packages, signed or other wise". Not just from a security perspective, but from a stability one as well. GPG signing would have no effect on this, and personaly i would rather they invested their time and effort in to the stability, and leave the GPG signing to the official "test" and "release" packages. >>>Manual signing or not, I don't care. Seems Red Hat try to push >>>people to RHEL BETA (ok, sound like FUD). >>> >>> >>It definitely is FUD :-) >> >> > >Well, I do my best :-) > > > >>You're sure welcome to test both :-) >> >> >> >>>What append if the build server is cracked ? >>>Nothing. It's like having none signed rpm (like the current practise). >>> >>> >>Not quite. People would still trust the old key >> >> > >Come on... >Right now people are "forced" to _always_ trust unsigned package. The >current situation is worse than "one day, some people wrongly trust a >key". >I am "forced" to add "gpgcheck=0" to yum. > With the latest release of yum (and previously releases) you can specify GPG checks per repository, so you don't have a problem with all repositories. > this mean i trust these >unsigned packages (even if the packages are already signed with an >revoked key:-)). >Do you think it's a good security practise ? > > Yes, as it reminds you that the person providing you with these packages are not prepaired to say "these are secure". We get back to false sense of security v's true sense of insecurity. And as mentioned before, Redhat is not prepaired to invest the time/money in to saying "yes we are prepaired to say, you may trust these if you wish". Personaly, keep the money, and invest it some where else. But this is of course just my most humblest of opienions :) >> Not to >>mention again the need for obtaining new keys whenever this happens. >> >> >> > >gpg --gen-key >gpg --export --armor key > PUBKEY >ftp ... "put PUBKEY". >Anyway. we will be back temporally to unsigned rpm. No more. > > Don't be obtuse, he was not saying it was a hassle for THEM to create a new sig, he was refering to the time/effort on the users part to re-import the new trusted certificate. I remember the hassle it was for me when their RHN ssl certificate ran out, I would NOT want that hassle on any regular basis (not that I beleive it would be regular mind). > > >>>What damage this will cause the Red Hat business ? >>> >>> >>Having keys revoked and new ones issued would definitely look bad. >> >> > >I have a revocation certificate for my key. Should I stop using gpg >because *perhaps* I will need to use it ? >This doesn't make any sense. > > Erm, no, I don't see what a single person, with quite probably considerably less "dependants" has to do with this argument. Unless your honestly trying to compare the importance of your GPG to that of Redhats? >> If >>one can't trust the automated build key, why would any of the others >>be trusted? Even if there's a web page explaining why you shouldn't >>trust the automated build key, how many people would jump to incorrect >>conclusions on Slashdot before getting the facts? >> >> > >if, if... >Right now I can *not* trust rawhide rpm. >Suppose my mirror (or http://mirrors.kernel.org/) is cracked then >Slashdot will be happy to point that Red Hat don't sign their package >even if the build system is not cracked. >The reputation of Red Hat rely on _all_ mirrors if packages are not >signed. >If the build system is cracked and Red Hat don't use signed rpm do you >think it's better for the reputation of Red Hat ? > > > >>>Why Red Hat are afraid about signing Rawhide packages ? >>> >>> >>We're not. They're signed quite often. Whenever one of the key >>holders happens to feel like signing packages. >> >> >> >>>As long as the secret key is ... secret, automated (or not) signed rpm >>>is better than nothing. >>> >>> >>The trick here is: how to get the signatures automated without >>further exposing the key? >> >> >> > >Do what you can. >If the key is cracked in 2 mouths I'll enjoy using signed package during >2 mouths. Still better than nothing. > >Here is the point. Currently Red Hat does not *want* to do any thing for >the security. >It is the decision of Red Hat (btw, Slashdot will be happy to know >this). All these "pseudo technical" arguments are not relevant. > > All this mentioning about Slashdot, it seems almost like a threat, which I find it VERY hard to beleive, as I don't beleive your that silly. Mind telling me why you do constantly seem to refer to Slashdot in an almost threatening manner, along the lines of "if you don't do it, I'm going to tell slashdot on you, then you'll be sorry". From feliciano.matias at free.fr Thu Oct 28 22:08:06 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:08:06 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <418169AD.4010400@firebox.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418169AD.4010400@firebox.com> Message-ID: <1099001286.4482.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 22:50 +0100, Douglas Furlong a ?crit : > All this mentioning about Slashdot, it seems almost like a threat It's not. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These aren't critical, but -- I didn't install gnome. /etc/sysconfig/desktop still says 'gnome', which means first boot ran under something *way* back in the fallback, despite having both KDE and XFCE4 checked in the custom install process. This looked pretty broken even knowing to check /etc/sysconfig/desktop Why are the alsa volume settings not a config file, so new alsa rpms (such as from kde-redhat) won't set everything back to total silence? (I'm not sure that updates from Fedora don't do that, too, but I'm now sure that the install doesn't leave the volume settings at zero.) No AfterStep. Tsk. :) Switching to exim from sendmail seems to have required fixfiles to allow exim to work; I have no idea why that might be the case. Generally very spiffy; completely smooth and untroubled install. From aoliva at redhat.com Thu Oct 28 22:32:17 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 28 Oct 2004 19:32:17 -0300 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 28, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > As often as the server is insecure. > Do you mean the build server is a total disaster about security ? It means lots of people have build access to it. If having build-user access to it implies being able to attach a signature to the package, it means anyone with build access is able to obtain the signing key. > If it's the case, why should I even trust unsigned rpm ? Oh, so we're getting somewhere here. Maybe you shouldn't? > Just curious, How many time the build system have been cracked ? None that I'm aware of. And this wouldn't have affected the key anyway, because they key is not part of the build system. But in order to have automated signatures stapled to packages, it would have to be, and the key could easily leak. > All you say is "if ..., if ..., if ...". > Should I continue to flame with other "if ..." ? If you like :-) But if we decide to do so, what if both of us become closely familiar with good security principles? You see, it's about analyzing risks and determining how to minimize risks without excessive costs. Without considering theoretical scenarios (to avoid the word), it's very hard to do any such analysis. > With unsigned rpm, no "if ..." is needed. I can definitely not trust rpm > package. Period. Exactly! But with a signed rpm, you get a false sense of security because you may think you can trust it. But you can only trust it, to whatever extent you choose to trust it, if the key is known to be safely guarded. If it isn't, you're just fooling yourself. The signature is actually working against you. >> > What append if the build server is cracked ? >> > Nothing. It's like having none signed rpm (like the current practise). >> Not quite. People would still trust the old key > Come on... > Right now people are "forced" to _always_ trust unsigned package. Err... Come again? Who's forcing anyone to trust unsigned packages? I haven't signed this message. Am I forcing anyone to read it? I don't think so. If you read it or not, and if you choose to believe I wrote it or not, is up to you. I'm not forcing you anything. I'm not even compelling you to write a reply (quite the contrary ;-), but you will anyway :-) > The current situation is worse than "one day, some people wrongly > trust a key". You got a very twisted view of good/bad IMHO. > Do you think it's a good security practise ? Certainly not. Personally, I'd much rather have all packages in rawhide signed. But with a properly-created signature. Failing that, I'd write a script to repeatedly attempt to update, progressively adding exclude arguments to up2date or yum, until it installs a complete set of signed packages, and wait to get the unsigned packages in the next rawhide push. Failing that, I'd be more than willing to live with a signed-rawhide repository, that we could build the way I described in a previous posting. Failing that, well... Maybe we could create a community of volunteers who would keep monitoring the mirror sites looking for corrupted packages, and maybe even offering rawhide mirror-like sites with additional signatures attached to the packages. >> until they find out > A new argument. The "if ... until ...". /me is happy you're finding patterns in my arguments. Now maybe you could focus on the content instead of the form :-) >> about the revocation and, by then, it might be too late. > With unsigned rpm, if any single mirror is corrupted it's already too > late to do whatever. If any single mirror is corrupted, it's too late for people who got a package from there and didn't check it before installing. Yes, checking is a pain. > Sorry for this "if" argument. Don't be. It's a perfectly legitimate way to consider dangerous situations and assess their risk. >> Not to >> mention again the need for obtaining new keys whenever this happens. >> > gpg --gen-key > gpg --export --armor key > PUBKEY > ftp ... "put PUBKEY". > Anyway. we will be back temporally to unsigned rpm. No more. You're missing the point. Why would I trust a random key I obtained from an ftp site? Such a key would have to be signed by another Red Hat key to be of any value. No big deal for those who understand the issue, but how many people you think would check the signature in the key, to verify that it's legitimate? How many people would fall for a fake e-mail from Sopwith announcing the new Fedora Rawhide automated-build signing key, with instructions on how to install it such that up2date will use it. Instructions that could also get up2date or yum to use a mirror known to have been broken into. >> > What damage this will cause the Red Hat business ? >> >> Having keys revoked and new ones issued would definitely look bad. > I have a revocation certificate for my key. Should I stop using gpg > because *perhaps* I will need to use it ? Certainly not. But if you don't protect your key and actually need to revoke it, it shows that your security practices could use some improvement, and people would decrease the amount of trust on your key (not to mention your stock) > This doesn't make any sense. It does to me. > Suppose my mirror (or http://mirrors.kernel.org/) is cracked then > Slashdot will be happy to point that Red Hat don't sign their package > even if the build system is not cracked. > The reputation of Red Hat rely on _all_ mirrors if packages are not > signed. And if it becomes so difficult to explain to people at Slashdot why it is so as it is to explain to you, that appears to be way more competent in the subject than the average Slashdot reader, we're bound to lose no matter what. > If the build system is cracked and Red Hat don't use signed rpm do you > think it's better for the reputation of Red Hat ? Definitely not. Getting the build system broken into would be a terrible thing. Getting a random mirror site broken into is, well, a problem, but it's not Red Hat's fault. Getting people to trust such mirror site isn't Red Hat's fault either, but it's something Red Hat could help avoid by signing all packages, yes. Unfortunately such signing is not practical, and gets in the way of the real goal of rawhide (which, as you know by now, is to get a backdoor into everybody's machines: any Red Hat developer can build a package that makes to rawhide and, next day, he'll have an army of zombies ready to launch his DoS attack against www.mycrosoft.com. Too bad there's a typo in the site name ;-) Yeah, getting fast turn-around for people to test packages is a secondary point. ;-) >> The trick here is: how to get the signatures automated without >> further exposing the key? > Do what you can. I thought we were already doing it. > If the key is cracked in 2 mouths I'll enjoy using signed package during > 2 mouths. Still better than nothing. And next day you'll get a malicious package installed on your box and you'll be left with, well, nothing. Ok, that's not worse than nothing, but it's worse than *your* nothing above :-) > Here is the point. Currently Red Hat does not *want* to do any thing for > the security. Red Hat is doing what it can, and pretty well. Doing what you want would open a huge hole in the system, and would cause a lot of damage, although you can't see that. I've already exposed my arguments, and I intend to step out of this debate now. I've already spent far too long exposing good security practices to someone who doesn't seem to want to listen. I hope at least others have benefited from the discussion. > It is the decision of Red Hat (btw, Slashdot will be happy to know > this). All these "pseudo technical" arguments are not relevant. Oh, wow! pseudo technical arguments. I didn't even know I could make those. Cool! I'm *so* happy. Just to make it clear, I don't speak for Red Hat, and I'm totally unfamiliar with the procedure Red Hat uses to sign packages. I'm just working on assumptions driven from some knowledge on good security practices, and a bit of common sense. I thought it would be important to make this clear, before it hits Slashdot. Not that the average Slashdot reader would pay attention to this fine point :-) Thanks for your attention, -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From asantini at movinet.com.uy Thu Oct 28 21:16:40 2004 From: asantini at movinet.com.uy (aldo santini) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:16:40 +0000 Subject: Yum Repositories Message-ID: <1098998200.22192.6.camel@bigserver> Thanks for the answers but i'm afraid I have once more. Where can I find FC3 yum repositories? i've been looking for but have no luck. thanks again From graydon at epiphyte.net Thu Oct 28 23:17:20 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (Graydon) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:17:20 -0400 Subject: Alsa bug/problem In-Reply-To: <1098962733.26491.11.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> References: <1098962733.26491.11.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> Message-ID: <20041028231720.GF16517@uniserve.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 01:25:33PM +0200, Borkowski Dariusz scripsit: > I did fresh install of FC3test2. Then since today I do "up2date -u > --nosig" everyday. So I think I'm very close to FC3final with my package > set. > I looked also on lsmod output, and everything looked ok (as far as I > understand that things). There were couple of sound-related modules > loaded and usesd by something else. I'll sent the output of lsmod as I > get home. > This problem looks similar to described in "Sound Card Recognized but > No Sound" thread. run /usr/bin/alsamixer (from alsa-utils-1.0.6-3 which is I believe installed by default) Set what is setable to something over 60 percent. Use to save and exit from alsamixer. Try again; betcha you'll hear stuff. From mpeters at mac.com Thu Oct 28 23:33:22 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:33:22 +0000 Subject: I'm about to install FC3Rc3. Any tips ? In-Reply-To: <1098988110.8737.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> (from lux@diesel-research.com on Thu Oct 28 11:28:30 2004) References: <1098988110.8737.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099006402l.4811l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/28/2004 11:28:30 AM, Kim Lux (Mr.) wrote: > BTW: I've tar'd home and I'l be more or less restoring that to the > FC3rc3 install. Can anyone see a problem with that ? my /home has gone through RH8 --> LFS --> FC2 --> FC1 (installed on a different root than FC2) --> FC3T2 (with FC2 on the different root that was FC1) --> FC3T3 There won't be a problem. I don't even bother tarring it - it's just a separate partition. From jeffy5 at optonline.net Thu Oct 28 23:02:23 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:02:23 -0400 Subject: Problems with my soundcard Message-ID: <200410281902.23890.jeffy5@optonline.net> Dear Sirs, I have installed Fedora Core 3/rc3 succesfully on both laptops (A Dell Inspiron 4000 and an IBM ThinkPad T-30) that I own. However, when I attempted to install it on my Dell Dimension XPS T600R desktop, the installation went well except for one thing: the sound quality is terrible. You can hardly hear the sound at all and it is very muffled whenever you hear system sounds (when programs open and close, etc.) I have the KDE desktop installed and I have an Ensoniq Sound Card which is using the es1371 module. I also used a different distribution of Linux on this same computer (Mandrake 10.0) with no problems with the quality of sound. Has anyone else had problems with this sound card? From j.rink at freenet.de Thu Oct 28 23:50:46 2004 From: j.rink at freenet.de (=?UTF-8?B?SsO2cm4=?= Rink) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:50:46 +0200 Subject: Fedora 3 Test 3: X displays rubbish on Fujitsu Siemens Scenic xB (Intel 810) In-Reply-To: <20041028084712.553e6b21.j.rink@freenet.de> References: <20041027090646.73fa8b32.j.rink@freenet.de> <1098872956.4327.49.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <20041028084712.553e6b21.j.rink@freenet.de> Message-ID: <20041029015046.178ff3b9.j.rink@freenet.de> Am Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:47:12 +0200 hat J?rn Rink (J?rn Rink) folgendes geschrieben: > Am Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:29:16 -0700 > hat Andrew Farris (Andrew Farris) folgendes > geschrieben: > > > > There have been several kernel bugs involving i810 graphics in the > > previous months. The release candidate posted below has a much more > > recent kernel than test3, try it out and report back to bugzilla or > > the list. I hope it works for you.. but if not it would be good to > > report it. > > > > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ > > > > Mirror at http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > > Hi, > i hope i can download it today in my office. I reinstall > with anaconda and let you know. But i hate bugzilla ;-) > Hi again, i reinstal on the scenic xB and the XServer crashes. Same i saw in the last installation, FC 3 test 1 and 2. Sometimes i will get ascreen, sometimes i see rubbish. The same happen on another scenic, he has a faster CPU but, IMHO the same I810 chipset. I saw this things first Time with the latest X.org Release, 6.8.1. It cannot be a hardware defect, because i can reproduce it on other machines of the same type. I had success on a scenic 600, which has, IMHO a I845 chipset. There all went OK. So i give it up to test on the Scenic xB. Thx J?rn Rink -- Nine (not 9) Never trust a hippie From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 00:49:08 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:49:08 -0400 Subject: yum error-- no key In-Reply-To: References: <1098984242.4176.22.camel@douglas-furlong.firebox.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102817497aa6c563@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:25:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Hollis wrote: > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Douglas Furlong wrote: > > You need to install the GPG keys. > > the below should install the ones you need > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora > > yum should probably recommend something like this in this failure case. > instead of leaving the user to scratch their head. well.. since yum isn't fedora specific... and packages aren't limited to just the keys from red hat.... make sure you find a way to suggest a course of action that makes sense for the general case. Someone's going to be mighty confused.. when they uses a repository like www.cruftyrpms.net to get signed addon packages and yum prompts them to import the Core keys... and they already have them imported. How does yum suggest importation of a key from an addon repo? -jef From rodd at clarkson.id.au Thu Oct 28 23:38:07 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:38:07 +1000 Subject: Netapplet In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a004102715277c36cdba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098659201.7706.5.camel@kirika> <1098680894.12367.8.camel@kirika> <1098710627.21284.4.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098728193.12367.21.camel@kirika> <1098802948.3663.11.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1098915118.5234.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098915857.19734.106.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <9f50a7a004102715277c36cdba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099006687.3474.18.camel@clownfish.redfishdemo.com> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:27 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > Not to be picky or anything, but the NetworkManger applet looks pretty > damn ugly compared to Netapplet :-) Okay, so what should be done to fix it. What would you like to see. It's clear that a decision has been made to go with NetworkManager as it delivers a level of functionality that a lot of people would like. So, while you may think it's ugly in comparison to other applets, I don't think RH will suddenly move to a different applet with different functionality simply on a case of beauty. NetworkManager can be beautified, but you need to give some indication of what's wrong with the current look, and how it could be improved. Otherwise, you comment is really just white noise. ;-] Rodd -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Oct 29 01:36:11 2004 From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:36:11 -0500 Subject: Red Hat supporting their apps in RHEL4? In-Reply-To: <1098977514.859.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <62912.213.164.3.90.1098977386.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098977514.859.24.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1099013771.3690.0.camel@dual866.bankofamerica.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 10:31, seth vidal wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 11:29, nodata wrote: > > In RHEL3, important applications used regularly by Red Hat and their > > customers - such as mailman, bugzilla and (I think) squid - were not > > officially supported, but were instead of the "Extras" disc. > > > > At least two of these packages seem to be in FC3t3 (I can't do a search > > for "bugzilla", it returns everything). > > > > Does this mean they'll be officially supported in RHEL4? > > You're on the wrong list. > > You should ask on taroon-list. > > -sv No, he should ask on the Nahant list. -- A: Because people read from top to bottom. Q: Why is top-posting bad? Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT From russell at coker.com.au Fri Oct 29 02:25:12 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:25:12 +1000 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410291225.13095.russell@coker.com.au> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:30, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Russell Coker wrote: > > When I was last using ReiserFS it was impossible to do a full fsck of a > > file system that was mounted read-only. > > fsck of r-o mounted reiserfs filesystems works fine. Not if you have a serious error and need to rebuild the tree. Try fsck'ing your root file system with --rebuild-tree and see what you get. > Maybe you are thinking of xfs? No. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From prigault at oricom.ca Fri Oct 29 02:57:18 2004 From: prigault at oricom.ca (Philippe Rigault) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:57:18 -0400 Subject: FC3-rc2 problems Message-ID: <200410282257.18098.prigault@oricom.ca> Installed FC3-rc2 on two machines: Box1: Dell Inspiron 7000 (PII/233MHz): Upgrade (from FC2) and Fresh install Box2: Dell Inspiron 5169 (P4/2.8GHzHT): Fresh install Fresh install sets SELinux to 'Disabled'. 1. Mediackeck consistently marks all FC3 iso CDs as FAIL, even though they are fine and install correctly. Note1: I burned these CDs three times, on different releases/kernels (FC1/2.4.27 and FC2/2.6.9), after reading about some issues with ide-cd on 2.6 kernels I also tried the -pad option with cdrecord. No difference, all CDs recieve a FAIL with mediacheck. However, I checked an old FC1 install iso CD and it got a PASS. 2. Configuration/Detection problems 2.1. Monitor: On both machines, the monitor fails to be detected by default (it is respectively a Dell 1024x768 LCD and a Dell 1400x1050 LCD). The user has to manually configure it during firsboot. 2.2 Desktop: my choice is to install KDE and not install GNOME. One would expect that the login manager would be kdm, and the default desktop KDE. Instead, I get gdm as login manager and I log into ... TWM ???????????? If GNOME is not installed and KDE is, the /etc/sysconfig/desktop should be changed from DESKTOP="GNOME" to DESKTOP="KDE" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" 3. Hardware-specific: 3.1 After install, the Inspiron 7000 hangs during 'Starting udev', I have to Ctrl+C to stop udev launch and continue booting. I will look into that. 3.2 On the Inspiron 7000, the upgrade from FC2 resulted in a boot sequence that would hang just after the message "Enabling local filesystem quotas". Fresh install does not exhibit this problem. I don't know if the machine froze or did something useful (relabeling for SELinux maybe?), but it just looked frozen, and I did have limited patience (1h30 during which I rebooted 4 times, investigated a bit,echoing some strings from rc.sysinit) before I decided to redo a fresh install. Thank you very much for making Fedora better and better ar combining ease of install and use, stability and cutting edge features. Philippe Rigault From mpeters at mac.com Fri Oct 29 03:37:01 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:37:01 +0000 Subject: Yum Repositories In-Reply-To: <1098998200.22192.6.camel@bigserver> (from asantini@movinet.com.uy on Thu Oct 28 14:16:40 2004) References: <1098998200.22192.6.camel@bigserver> Message-ID: <1099021021l.4811l.2l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/28/2004 02:16:40 PM, aldo santini wrote: > Thanks for the answers but i'm afraid I have once more. Where can I > find > FC3 yum repositories? i've been looking for but have no luck. > thanks again Wait for FC3 to actually be released. Then all the usual repositories will rebuild their packages for FC3 and the repositories will appear. I'm sure the usuals are virtually ready to go, but are private to the developers until FC3 is released. From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 29 04:05:26 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:05:26 -0400 Subject: Upgrade FC2 to FC3 with yum In-Reply-To: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> References: <1098972674.22192.2.camel@bigserver> Message-ID: <1099022726.8397.30.camel@binkley> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:11 +0000, aldo santini wrote: > It is posible to upgrade my Fedora Core 2 to FC3 using yum? I've done a test upgrade of this but there are a few kinks to work out in the process. I think 90% of the problem comes from the dev->udev migration playing hell with devices. I'll have more information after tomorrow or the weekend. Right now the process is: - download yum from fc3rc/rawhide - download fedora-release from rawhide - install the gpg keys for fc3 to your rpmdb rpm --import url://of/your/gpgkeys - update both by hand: rpm -Uvh yum-* fedora-release* - check your repository configuration in /etc/yum.conf and in /etc/yum.repos.d to make sure you have the repositories you want, configured. - check to make sure everything is working correctly, run: yum list updates - You should see a huge number of packages in need of an update go by. - Do the upgrade itself. Run: yum upgrade The problems I've found so far: - dev->udev upgrade makes it impossible to open a new terminal - it's possible the network devices are not recovering on reboot - not sure why quite yet. - I'm going to try and break it down a bit and upgrade in smaller chunks to make it less oppressive to wait through that many packages being updated. I'm sure there will be other problems. -sv From aoliva at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 05:07:50 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 29 Oct 2004 02:07:50 -0300 Subject: FC3-rc2 problems In-Reply-To: <200410282257.18098.prigault@oricom.ca> References: <200410282257.18098.prigault@oricom.ca> Message-ID: On Oct 28, 2004, Philippe Rigault wrote: > No difference, all CDs recieve a FAIL with mediacheck. However, I > checked an old FC1 install iso CD and it got a PASS. What if you disable DMA? This is supposed to work around the kernel readahead-from-CD problem. Simply adding -pad may add too little padding to work around the problem. If you bump up the padsize to the readahead size, the problem won't happen any more. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From JCB at SOPHION.dk Fri Oct 29 06:12:54 2004 From: JCB at SOPHION.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_C=2E_Br=F8nd?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:12:54 +0200 Subject: Where is the kernel source Message-ID: <95330D2825F9C54D9B21A168A0D21C343FE236@srvsop01.sophion.net> Hello, I have installed the FC3-test3 along with the numerous updates (dang that took some time) The install has been quite easy and it works pretty stable on my system. But to include some additional kernel modules (unfortunatly ntfs, and modify some USB stuff) I wanted to find the kernel-source rpm but cant seem to find it. Looking at SRPMS the size of the kernelxxxx.src.rpm file seems right (comparing to 2.6.9 kernel on kernel.org) but trying to install it does not give anything usefull. I tried rpm -vv and even though it is around 40M only very few files is extracted. I did try download the kernel 2.6.9 from kernel.org but after compiling and trying to run it I recvie a kernel panik (I have the error somewhere at home....currently at work). What I did notice was that on entering kernel config (make xconfig) I recived a large amount of entries/flags that was unknown in the 2.6.9 kernel. Any suggestion what to do ? JCB From jakub at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 06:26:34 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:26:34 -0400 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: glibc-2.3.3-27.1 Message-ID: <20041029062634.GQ12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Test Update Notification FEDORA-2004-356 2004-10-29 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 2 Name : glibc Version : 2.3.3 Release : 27.1 Summary : The GNU libc libraries. Description : The glibc package contains standard libraries which are used by multiple programs on the system. In order to save disk space and memory, as well as to make upgrading easier, common system code is kept in one place and shared between programs. This particular package contains the most important sets of shared libraries: the standard C library and the standard math library. Without these two libraries, a Linux system will not function. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Thu Oct 28 2004 Jakub Jelinek 2.3.3-27.1 - ignore also ENODEV and ETIMEDOUT error values when searching paths in execvp/execlp (#136726) - use non-blocking sockets when querying DNS (#135234) - fix temp file vulnerability in catchsegv (CAN-2004-0968, #136318) - make catchsegv working even on bi-arch platforms for both 32-bit and 64-bit binaries - use backtrace () in libSegFault.so, so that catchsegv works even on ia64 and x86-64, add register dumping on ia64 (#130254) - fix reinitialization of _res when using NPTL thread stack cache (BZ #434) - update bug-reporting instructions - fix infinite loop in iconv(1) with some options (BZ #194) - fix inet_aton return value (BZ #276) - mask restart signal in linuxthreads during cancel handling (#132654) - avoid using unitialized memory in localedef - fix mtrace script to only call location when really needed - fix some -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L header namespace issues - fix V4MAPPED lookups in /etc/hosts (#123583) - always try both TCP and UDP reporting for syslog (#132816, BZ #108) - fix ypclnt.c locking (#132204) - avoid fragmentation of address space by malloc on flexmap layouts (#118574) - fix x86_64 for -m32 -I/usr/include/nptl compilation - make NPTL usable in -pedantic -std=c89 mode, as well as in C++ programs (BZ #375) - make rwlocks available with -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L (BZ #320) - remove __THROW from pthread_once, as the callback might throw - return EAGAIN instead of ENOMEM if pthread_create fails due to lack of memory - fix NPTL stack freeing in case of pthread_create failure with detached thread (BZ #405) - fix i?86 and x86_64 pthread_mutex_timedlock - save gp around linuxthreads ia64 CENABLE/CDISABLE calls - fix s390{,x} unwinding when frames are smaller than 96 (resp. 160) bytes - fix _POSIX_CHILD_MAX and _POSIX_OPEN_MAX values XPG6, add _POSIX_HOST_NAME_MAX, _POSIX_SYMLINK_MAX, _POSIX_SYMLOOP_MAX and _POSIX_RE_DUP_MAX defines - fix fnmatch backslash handling (BZ #361) - fix out of memory behaviour of syslog (BZ #365) - randomize resolver requests IDs all the time - fix daemon behaviour if /dev/null is not the correct device or it failed to open it - fix *sprintf buffer reallocation condition (BZ #346) - handle _nl_intern_locale_data (BZ #356) - fix fdim{,f,l} (+inf, +inf) (BZ #376) - fix glob on dangling symlinks - stop using __builtin_expect in assert.h (#127606) - fix cy_GB d_t_fmt (#103415) - make SHMLBA from usable even in C++ (#132313) - fix with -std=c{8,9}9 -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600, but without -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L (BZ #284) - fix IPv6 AI_V4MAPPED filtering - fix i386 and x86-64 pow{,f,l} (BZ #258) - fix IBM932 and IBM943 iconv modules (#128674) - fix ifreq memory handling - fix loadavg if read returns 0 (BZ #263) - fix mbsrtowcs if src is not zero terminated - fix memusage with lots of allocations (BZ #285) - fix newlocale locking - fix NPTL pthread_rwlock_{timed}rdlock on architectures other than ia32 and x86-64 (#129455) - fix nscd_getgr_r - fix nscd -i hosts to cause reinitialization of resolver in all threads, not just one (#125712) - fix res_init () memory leaks - initialize all needed fields before call to __printf_fp in strfmon{,_l} and printf_size - fix strtod (BZ #274) - fix fread_unlocked and fwrite_unlocked (BZ #309, #316) - don't hold rtld lock while running _dl_fini destructors (#126111) - fix linuxthreads clock_[gs]ettime (#127328) - fix a bug in DSO holes handling introduced by execstack changes - only canonicalize first name in getaddrinfo with AI_CANONNAME - fix an uninitialized field in __parse_one_specmb - reread resolv.conf in nscd when running nscd --invalidate hosts (#125712) - fix F_{GETLK,SETLK,SETLKW} definitions on x86_64 for -m32 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 - avoid referencing freed memory in sunrpc pmaplist destruction (BZ #218) - fix sqrt special case handling on s390/s390x - fix pthread_rwlock_timed*lock and pthread_cond_timedwait handling of invalid tv_nsec - remove /usr/include/nptl/bits/stdio-lock.h from nptl-devel (BZ #245) - speed up sprintf if buffer starts in the first half of address space (#123148) - various memory handling fixes - fix strpbrk macro in - fix strpbrk macro for GCC 3.4+ (BZ #130) - fix x86_64 makecontext - fix regex translate handling - fix RELA undefined TLS symbol relocation - fix -z nodelete DSO handling - fix setenv handling of invalid arguments - fix ia64/x86_64 backtrace in statically linked programs - fix xtrace error reporting - FUTEX_CMP_REQUEUE support --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/ 389e9cdc725f3651cd78c5d6adfc22c7 SRPMS/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.src.rpm 177b8a2a246042d840f02a5a4e707d08 x86_64/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm 824f38b1810efb97695f6599b378b6a4 x86_64/glibc-devel-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm 8c8bbcc5a4460c42f86c32608c01ec00 x86_64/glibc-headers-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm d774df192db02d42c5d3650b64fcf9f9 x86_64/nptl-devel-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm 0caa6e83148a862ec054960ba33e8ebf x86_64/glibc-profile-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm 4a208aed874ed4ec1d5e28b04e32b82d x86_64/glibc-common-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm 153e48c7de9457f76805b627d4d70318 x86_64/nscd-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm 0f9bd081bb14c7c5f23bbc8a0b193a88 x86_64/glibc-utils-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm 1c3fef48394e473de3e7d170171fbd33 x86_64/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm d40a87a3dda450e43c1b0ef73fed0edd x86_64/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm d271eabcaf5bf75467d9f000949bbec9 x86_64/glibc-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm ac42118bd1e37a3ef9df8540db0b7e90 x86_64/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm 739cd4b794e5bac3236bef5041e477de x86_64/nptl-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm d40a87a3dda450e43c1b0ef73fed0edd i386/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm d271eabcaf5bf75467d9f000949bbec9 i386/glibc-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm b1693e28813902623ccf5de443e184b7 i386/glibc-headers-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm fed3106bcd9e98039fc970e32a064952 i386/glibc-profile-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm d4d29a493f116a3bc8246179e51865ae i386/glibc-common-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm 3ab2ca7d320ccca89de8028ffcd7b891 i386/nscd-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm 0317d08ef487ab0d3ddabd2e4808e11a i386/glibc-utils-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm dcb929a8c73281ce0a0a1e5396c7204b i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm 3efb94cdb9de29b45838c0a39f46aa8c i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-common-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm ac42118bd1e37a3ef9df8540db0b7e90 i386/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm 739cd4b794e5bac3236bef5041e477de i386/nptl-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm ca8a1898b2645feaf86b4b40c093e688 i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/$ARCH --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maillijsten at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 07:15:18 2004 From: maillijsten at gmail.com (Mailing List) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:15:18 +0200 Subject: Problem installing FC3 test 3 with nvidia Message-ID: <71ca273104102900152bccfcc7@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a problem installing FC3 test 3. I have a Nvidia Quadro 4 videocard. This is default not supported in FC (gives black screen on screen 0 and scrambled screen on screen1) During install, I chose text-install to avoid the graphical installation. (That helped installing FC1 before) But after installing, it will boot in first-boot-mode , starting a graphical screen , starting with the licence agreement. This will turn black after a few seconds, leaving me with a problem: i need to install nvidia drivers in order to have X working, but I need to finish the installation with X .. What can I do about this? A reboot doesnt help, will take me to the graphical screen again. Regards, Ruud From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 07:28:17 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:28:17 -0600 Subject: Problem installing FC3 test 3 with nvidia In-Reply-To: <71ca273104102900152bccfcc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <71ca273104102900152bccfcc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099034897.4035.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can you configure X to use VESA ? I've got an nvidia card that is not directly supported, but it works in VESA mode. Kim On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:15 +0200, Mailing List wrote: > Hi, > > I have a problem installing FC3 test 3. > I have a Nvidia Quadro 4 videocard. > This is default not supported in FC (gives black screen on screen 0 > and scrambled screen on screen1) > During install, I chose text-install to avoid the graphical installation. > (That helped installing FC1 before) > But after installing, it will boot in first-boot-mode , starting a > graphical screen , starting with the licence agreement. > This will turn black after a few seconds, leaving me with a problem: i > need to install nvidia drivers in order to have X working, but I need > to finish the installation with X .. > > What can I do about this? A reboot doesnt help, will take me to the > graphical screen again. > > Regards, > > Ruud > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 07:59:54 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:59:54 -0600 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Test Update: glibc-2.3.3-27.1 In-Reply-To: <20041029062634.GQ12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <20041029062634.GQ12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099036794.4348.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> I didn't realize glibc was undergoing changes. I've got a process that is failing on FC3T3 and it looks like it is glibc related. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the calling code and it works on other Linux installs. I didn't write the code, it is OS, written by someone else. The failure occurs when kdevelop 3.1.1 loads gdb-6.2 as a custom project. It would probably take you about 10 minutes to set it up and test it, if I gave you good instructions. Let me know if you are interested. Kim On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 02:26 -0400, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Fedora Test Update Notification > FEDORA-2004-356 > 2004-10-29 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Product : Fedora Core 2 > Name : glibc > Version : 2.3.3 > Release : 27.1 > Summary : The GNU libc libraries. > Description : > The glibc package contains standard libraries which are used by > multiple programs on the system. In order to save disk space and > memory, as well as to make upgrading easier, common system code is > kept in one place and shared between programs. This particular package > contains the most important sets of shared libraries: the standard C > library and the standard math library. Without these two libraries, a > Linux system will not function. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Thu Oct 28 2004 Jakub Jelinek 2.3.3-27.1 > > - ignore also ENODEV and ETIMEDOUT error values when searching > paths in execvp/execlp (#136726) > - use non-blocking sockets when querying DNS (#135234) > - fix temp file vulnerability in catchsegv (CAN-2004-0968, #136318) > - make catchsegv working even on bi-arch platforms for both > 32-bit and 64-bit binaries > - use backtrace () in libSegFault.so, so that catchsegv works even > on ia64 and x86-64, add register dumping on ia64 (#130254) > - fix reinitialization of _res when using NPTL thread stack cache > (BZ #434) > - update bug-reporting instructions > - fix infinite loop in iconv(1) with some options (BZ #194) > - fix inet_aton return value (BZ #276) > - mask restart signal in linuxthreads during cancel handling (#132654) > - avoid using unitialized memory in localedef > - fix mtrace script to only call location when really needed > - fix some -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L header namespace issues > - fix V4MAPPED lookups in /etc/hosts (#123583) > - always try both TCP and UDP reporting for syslog (#132816, BZ #108) > - fix ypclnt.c locking (#132204) > - avoid fragmentation of address space by malloc on flexmap > layouts (#118574) > - fix x86_64 for -m32 -I/usr/include/nptl compilation > - make NPTL usable in -pedantic -std=c89 mode, as well > as in C++ programs (BZ #375) > - make rwlocks available with -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L (BZ #320) > - remove __THROW from pthread_once, as the callback might throw > - return EAGAIN instead of ENOMEM if pthread_create fails due > to lack of memory > - fix NPTL stack freeing in case of pthread_create failure > with detached thread (BZ #405) > - fix i?86 and x86_64 pthread_mutex_timedlock > - save gp around linuxthreads ia64 CENABLE/CDISABLE calls > - fix s390{,x} unwinding when frames are smaller than 96 (resp. 160) > bytes > - fix _POSIX_CHILD_MAX and _POSIX_OPEN_MAX values XPG6, > add _POSIX_HOST_NAME_MAX, _POSIX_SYMLINK_MAX, > _POSIX_SYMLOOP_MAX and _POSIX_RE_DUP_MAX defines > - fix fnmatch backslash handling (BZ #361) > - fix out of memory behaviour of syslog (BZ #365) > - randomize resolver requests IDs all the time > - fix daemon behaviour if /dev/null is not the correct device > or it failed to open it > - fix *sprintf buffer reallocation condition (BZ #346) > - handle _nl_intern_locale_data (BZ #356) > - fix fdim{,f,l} (+inf, +inf) (BZ #376) > - fix glob on dangling symlinks > - stop using __builtin_expect in assert.h (#127606) > - fix cy_GB d_t_fmt (#103415) > - make SHMLBA from usable even in C++ (#132313) > - fix with -std=c{8,9}9 -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600, > but without -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L (BZ #284) > - fix IPv6 AI_V4MAPPED filtering > - fix i386 and x86-64 pow{,f,l} (BZ #258) > - fix IBM932 and IBM943 iconv modules (#128674) > - fix ifreq memory handling > - fix loadavg if read returns 0 (BZ #263) > - fix mbsrtowcs if src is not zero terminated > - fix memusage with lots of allocations (BZ #285) > - fix newlocale locking > - fix NPTL pthread_rwlock_{timed}rdlock on architectures > other than ia32 and x86-64 (#129455) > - fix nscd_getgr_r > - fix nscd -i hosts to cause reinitialization of resolver > in all threads, not just one (#125712) > - fix res_init () memory leaks > - initialize all needed fields before call to __printf_fp > in strfmon{,_l} and printf_size > - fix strtod (BZ #274) > - fix fread_unlocked and fwrite_unlocked (BZ #309, #316) > - don't hold rtld lock while running _dl_fini destructors > (#126111) > - fix linuxthreads clock_[gs]ettime (#127328) > - fix a bug in DSO holes handling introduced by execstack changes > - only canonicalize first name in getaddrinfo with AI_CANONNAME > - fix an uninitialized field in __parse_one_specmb > - reread resolv.conf in nscd when running nscd --invalidate hosts > (#125712) > - fix F_{GETLK,SETLK,SETLKW} definitions on x86_64 > for -m32 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 > - avoid referencing freed memory in sunrpc pmaplist destruction > (BZ #218) > - fix sqrt special case handling on s390/s390x > - fix pthread_rwlock_timed*lock and pthread_cond_timedwait > handling of invalid tv_nsec > - remove /usr/include/nptl/bits/stdio-lock.h from nptl-devel > (BZ #245) > - speed up sprintf if buffer starts in the first half of > address space (#123148) > - various memory handling fixes > - fix strpbrk macro in > - fix strpbrk macro for GCC 3.4+ (BZ #130) > - fix x86_64 makecontext > - fix regex translate handling > - fix RELA undefined TLS symbol relocation > - fix -z nodelete DSO handling > - fix setenv handling of invalid arguments > - fix ia64/x86_64 backtrace in statically linked programs > - fix xtrace error reporting > - FUTEX_CMP_REQUEUE support > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This update can be downloaded from: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/ > > 389e9cdc725f3651cd78c5d6adfc22c7 SRPMS/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.src.rpm > 177b8a2a246042d840f02a5a4e707d08 x86_64/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > 824f38b1810efb97695f6599b378b6a4 x86_64/glibc-devel-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > 8c8bbcc5a4460c42f86c32608c01ec00 x86_64/glibc-headers-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > d774df192db02d42c5d3650b64fcf9f9 x86_64/nptl-devel-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > 0caa6e83148a862ec054960ba33e8ebf x86_64/glibc-profile-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > 4a208aed874ed4ec1d5e28b04e32b82d x86_64/glibc-common-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > 153e48c7de9457f76805b627d4d70318 x86_64/nscd-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > 0f9bd081bb14c7c5f23bbc8a0b193a88 x86_64/glibc-utils-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > 1c3fef48394e473de3e7d170171fbd33 x86_64/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.3-27.1.x86_64.rpm > d40a87a3dda450e43c1b0ef73fed0edd x86_64/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > d271eabcaf5bf75467d9f000949bbec9 x86_64/glibc-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > ac42118bd1e37a3ef9df8540db0b7e90 x86_64/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm > 739cd4b794e5bac3236bef5041e477de x86_64/nptl-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm > d40a87a3dda450e43c1b0ef73fed0edd i386/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > d271eabcaf5bf75467d9f000949bbec9 i386/glibc-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > b1693e28813902623ccf5de443e184b7 i386/glibc-headers-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > fed3106bcd9e98039fc970e32a064952 i386/glibc-profile-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > d4d29a493f116a3bc8246179e51865ae i386/glibc-common-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > 3ab2ca7d320ccca89de8028ffcd7b891 i386/nscd-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > 0317d08ef487ab0d3ddabd2e4808e11a i386/glibc-utils-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > dcb929a8c73281ce0a0a1e5396c7204b i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > 3efb94cdb9de29b45838c0a39f46aa8c i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-common-2.3.3-27.1.i386.rpm > ac42118bd1e37a3ef9df8540db0b7e90 i386/glibc-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm > 739cd4b794e5bac3236bef5041e477de i386/nptl-devel-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm > ca8a1898b2645feaf86b4b40c093e688 i386/debug/glibc-debuginfo-2.3.3-27.1.i686.rpm > > This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can > launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. You may > need to edit your up2date channels configuration. Within > /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources enable the following line: > yum updates-testing http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/2/$ARCH > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 08:05:29 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:05:29 -0600 Subject: k3b jumps ahead at a write speed of 3,980x in both fc3t3 and fc3rc3. Message-ID: <1099037129.4348.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've had the same problem in K3B in both fc3t3 and fc3rc3: I'm trying to burn a DVD with just 2 files: a 4.1 GB tar file and a 7.8MB tar file. I've burned about 4 other disks today and they all work fine. K3B starts setting up to write like it normally does. Then the overall progress bar jumps to about 75% and displays a ridiculous volume of data written. It appears that K3B resumes to normal writing after that. The disk finishes at a normal pace, but it is a coaster because the first 80% of the data didn't actually write. I've made 3 coasters today trying to write the same data: 2 in fc3t3 and 1 in fc3rc3. It acted the same way in both. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 08:58:18 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:58:18 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099040298.4482.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le jeudi 28 octobre 2004 ? 19:32 -0300, Alexandre Oliva a ?crit : > If you read it or not, and if you choose to believe I wrote it or not, > is up to you. Your mail is not a kernel or libc or the default background wallpaper. I don't use evolution as root. I never install unknown package (or run .exe) attached to a mail. > Such a key would have to be signed by another Red Hat key to be of any > value. Yes, it's better. Is it needed ? I don't think. btw : "The Fedora Project is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc." > I've already exposed my > arguments, and I intend to step out of this debate now. I've already > spent far too long exposing good security practices Yes. > to someone who > doesn't seem to want to listen. Perhaps :-) it's the second time I am arguing for signed rpm. A large majority seem satisfied with the current rule. It's time to me to shut up. Thank for your replies. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu Fri Oct 29 09:56:45 2004 From: kevin.hobbs.1 at ohiou.edu (Kevin H. Hobbs) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:56:45 -0400 Subject: Where is the kernel source In-Reply-To: <95330D2825F9C54D9B21A168A0D21C343FE236@srvsop01.sophion.net> References: <95330D2825F9C54D9B21A168A0D21C343FE236@srvsop01.sophion.net> Message-ID: <1099043805.1489.10.camel@dhcp024-208-178-227.columbus.rr.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:12 +0200, Jan C. Br?nd wrote: > Hello, > > I have installed the FC3-test3 along with the numerous updates (dang that > took some time) The install has been quite easy and it works pretty stable > on my system. > But to include some additional kernel modules (unfortunatly ntfs, and modify > some USB stuff) I wanted to find the kernel-source rpm but cant seem to find > it. Looking at SRPMS the size of the kernelxxxx.src.rpm file seems right > (comparing to 2.6.9 kernel on kernel.org) but trying to install it does not > give anything usefull. I tried rpm -vv and even though it is around 40M only > very few files is extracted. > I did try download the kernel 2.6.9 from kernel.org but after compiling and > trying to run it I recvie a kernel panik (I have the error somewhere at > home....currently at work). What I did notice was that on entering kernel > config (make xconfig) I recived a large amount of entries/flags that was > unknown in the 2.6.9 kernel. > > Any suggestion what to do ? > > JCB I've written a manual to describe what you need to do. I had to do nearly the same thing with a few modules. The manual needs some work, and the more people take a look at it the better it will be. It is up on a bugzilla entry, here: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130754 You'll want the attachment at the very bottom, there's HTML buried in there. 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The > disk finishes at a normal pace, but it is a coaster because the first > 80% of the data didn't actually write. This always happens to me when discs are damaged... -- []s Alexandre Ganso 500 FOUR vermelha - Diretor Steel Goose Moto Group From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 10:57:53 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:57:53 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 12:34 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 14:34 +0200, nodata wrote: > > > Yes, but that's not really the point. > > The point is that the RPMs are not signed. > > > > It's not really important how it came to be noticed that the RPMs were not > > signed (i.e. the announcement about the recent scam) > > > > It's not really relevant either than RPMs can verify themselves. > > The whole point of my post was that there is no way to verify a rawhide > > RPM originated from Red Hat. > > > > True, signing them would devalue the signing key, but NOT signing them > > devalues the RPMs even more because they cannot be automatically verified > > using a package manager. > > The question is still one of gains versus losses. I personally think we > gain more by _not_ signing them. If we automatically sign them, we make > it more convenient for people who don't want to use --nosig or whatnot > on rawhide packages. If we don't sign packages we make it basically impossible for people to check where a specific package comes from. There is nothing else that a signature on a package says. > That's not a win. In fact, it's a big loss. If the packages are > automatically signed during the build process, the only thing the > signature means is "it showed up in the queue of things to be signed". > But if you see a signed package, the impression you get is that it is in > some way "trusted". Of course, it isn't trusted. It's just got a > signature that says "don't make the user type --nosig". That's a misinterpretation of the signature on the package. We shouldn't sign or not sign packages based on how people could misconceive what such a signature means. We should sign packages so people can verify that these packages are actually from us and haven't been tampered with in the meantime. I mean, I have the privilege of sucking the packages directly from the build system so I can be fairly sure that these packages are the real ones (besides getting them first haha!). If I wouldn't have this access, I would be either forced to use certain tools that could cope with signed repository metadata or download directly from download.fedora.redhat.com. Both alternatives aren't very appealing to me. > If you _really_ want a way around that, change the update tools so you > can mark a repo as being allowed to have unsigned packages. > > If the problem you're trying to avoid is corruption or injection attacks > on a repo, signing the packages still isn't the right answer -- sign the > metadata on the repo, and then compare the packages to that, instead. > Then there's no misplaced trust on the package, as you'd get by signing > it, but there is verification that it is the right package. I still don't see how signing a package makes it more trustworthy than signing the repo metadata. Signing a package gives me some amount of trust in its origin, not its quality or whatever. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 11:03:43 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:03:43 +0200 Subject: Multimedia In-Reply-To: <4180D7C4.500@brturbo.com> References: <4180D7C4.500@brturbo.com> Message-ID: <1099047824.4019.13.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 11:28 +0000, Profeta wrote: > Hi! I usually have multimedia problems with my Fedora Core 2. On the new > version of Fedora Core(FC3), what happend with this things, It will > maintain ? For example, when I want to saw a preview of a download on > apollon, I can't because the multimedia on kde is not installed. > > Wanna some help with the new version. > > Thanks for something. Unfortunately, I don't understand what you want... I can only guess that you have some problem because kdemultimedia isn't installed -- did I get this right? Can you describe your problem a bit more in detail? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 11:07:51 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:07:51 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <43677.195.34.133.62.1098789474.squirrel@195.34.133.62> <1098820114.3084.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099048071.4019.15.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 15:16 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 26, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > set password [lindex $argv 0] > > Hmm... The passphrase for a valuable gpg key in the ps output? How, > erhm, yummy (*) is that? :-) I guess you could easily change that script so it takes the passphrase in a temporary file or piped through stdin. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From helpdesk at matchsl.com Fri Oct 29 10:30:26 2004 From: helpdesk at matchsl.com (Rafael Salas) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:30:26 +0200 Subject: P4800 problem with "Disabling IRQ..." with kernel 2.6.xxxxx Message-ID: <1099045826.10708.7.camel@LinuxRain.oficina.org> You can solve that by using only "P-ATA" at your bios in the enhanced HD config, and removins S-ATA. This help me to start the fedora kore 3 system again From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 12:13:47 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:13:47 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099052027.4019.70.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 19:32 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Oct 28, 2004, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > > As often as the server is insecure. > > Do you mean the build server is a total disaster about security ? > > It means lots of people have build access to it. If having build-user > access to it implies being able to attach a signature to the package, > it means anyone with build access is able to obtain the signing key. Come on, you know that you needn't do it that way. For Rawhide, all we (that is some people including me) want to have is that the packages that originate in the Red Hat build system are signed with a short-lived key that we can be sure that the package is in fact the one piped through the build system. This can be made part of the pushing step in the process. I don't know whether pushing the packages happens manually (in which case it would be only very few people how could initiate it, right?) or whether it happens per cron job. In the first case, it should be easy, in the second you could -- for the sake of the security of the key -- make the signing part a separate daemon. The pushing process would then hand over the packages to be signed to the daemon which would sign them and return the signed packages to the pushing process. That daemon could even be sitting on a separate machine to make it a bit more secure ;-). Note that this is just a rough idea, it will likely have the odd edge that needs to be rounded. > > If it's the case, why should I even trust unsigned rpm ? > > Oh, so we're getting somewhere here. Maybe you shouldn't? > > > Just curious, How many time the build system have been cracked ? > > None that I'm aware of. And this wouldn't have affected the key > anyway, because they key is not part of the build system. But in > order to have automated signatures stapled to packages, it would have > to be, and the key could easily leak. No. See above. Or in different terms: Even a signed package in FC final or update, RHEL final or update or whatever doesn't tell me more than that this particular package has been piped through the Red Hat build system. It doesn't automatically mean that the package would have been audited for not having malicious code in it, which in turn means that Beehive could even just hand off every built package to a separate "signing entity" which holds the keys safely for itself and we wouldn't lose a thing we already have in terms of security. It means that the package has been built "here" and nobody has changed it in the meantime. > Exactly! > > But with a signed rpm, you get a false sense of security because you > may think you can trust it. But you can only trust it, to whatever > extent you choose to trust it, if the key is known to be safely > guarded. If it isn't, you're just fooling yourself. The signature is > actually working against you. No, because the build system wouldn't have the keys. > Err... Come again? > > Who's forcing anyone to trust unsigned packages? > > I haven't signed this message. Am I forcing anyone to read it? I > don't think so. That is not the question. This mail isn't signed as well because it doesn't really matter whether it's really me who wrote it, I hope the arguments count more than the person who's written them ;-). > If you read it or not, and if you choose to believe I wrote it or not, > is up to you. I'm not forcing you anything. I'm not even compelling > you to write a reply (quite the contrary ;-), but you will anyway :-) > > > The current situation is worse than "one day, some people wrongly > > trust a key". > > You got a very twisted view of good/bad IMHO. > > > Do you think it's a good security practise ? > > Certainly not. Personally, I'd much rather have all packages in > rawhide signed. But with a properly-created signature. Exactly :-). Please show me whether there are any flaws in what I've outlined above. > Failing that, I'd be more than willing to live with a signed-rawhide > repository, that we could build the way I described in a previous > posting. At the point you (or an automated system) can sign package repository data, you (or it) can also sign the contained packages. > Failing that, well... Maybe we could create a community of volunteers > who would keep monitoring the mirror sites looking for corrupted > packages, and maybe even offering rawhide mirror-like sites with > additional signatures attached to the packages. Monitoring the repos for corrupt packages is reactive security which is nice to have but not the only thing I would want to rely on. > If any single mirror is corrupted, it's too late for people who got a > package from there and didn't check it before installing. Yes, > checking is a pain. I'm sorry, but I'd say checking that a binary package which isn't signed at all (i.e. I can't know that it really comes from the original source) doesn't contain malicious changes is a bit too much to expect from people who aren't compiler engineers and eat assembler for breakfast ;-). After all I thought we would want people to download Rawhide stuff and test it, then they should be sure that even if the package destroys their data, spams the net and causes their machines to melt down into a smoking pile of rubble, it is from Red Hat and they shouldn't blame themselves for being hacked but for using the package on a valuable system ;-). > You're missing the point. Why would I trust a random key I obtained > from an ftp site? > > Such a key would have to be signed by another Red Hat key to be of any > value. No big deal for those who understand the issue, but how many > people you think would check the signature in the key, to verify that > it's legitimate? I (as an outsider which I am not) would trust a short-lived key that is signed by Red Hat's key which is signed by some CA. Fairly secure if you ask me, provided that each of these keys are kept at different places. Whether people actually check the keys they import is up to them, but we shouldn't say that we wouldn't do it just because the assumed majority of people wouldn't check it. > How many people would fall for a fake e-mail from Sopwith announcing > the new Fedora Rawhide automated-build signing key, with instructions > on how to install it such that up2date will use it. Instructions that > could also get up2date or yum to use a mirror known to have been > broken into. I think that this should compel us all to use signatures for anything where it is important that people can verify "who wrote this". When issuing announcements I used to sign them with my key, but ceased to do it because of the hassle when I wrote the email on a remote system while I have the key only locally (i.e. on a USB stick). I'm regularly thinking about how to avoid this without compromising the security of the key, but to no avail yet. [...] > Getting people to trust such mirror site isn't Red Hat's fault either, > but it's something Red Hat could help avoid by signing all packages, > yes. Unfortunately such signing is not practical, and gets in the way > of the real goal of rawhide (which, as you know by now, is to get a > backdoor into everybody's machines: any Red Hat developer can build a > package that makes to rawhide and, next day, he'll have an army of > zombies ready to launch his DoS attack against www.mycrosoft.com. Too > bad there's a typo in the site name ;-) That is the same for non-Rawhide packages ;-). > Just to make it clear, I don't speak for Red Hat, and I'm totally > unfamiliar with the procedure Red Hat uses to sign packages. I'm just > working on assumptions driven from some knowledge on good security > practices, and a bit of common sense. I thought it would be important > to make this clear, before it hits Slashdot. Not that the average > Slashdot reader would pay attention to this fine point :-) ACK. I am I and Red Hat is Red Hat (and the network is the network and the computer is the computer, sorry for the confusion) for the purposes of this email ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From kmaraas at broadpark.no Fri Oct 29 08:54:21 2004 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:54:21 +0200 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a0041027152320e05c1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098905964.5147.15.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098907865.5147.25.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <9f50a7a0041027152224a08b2d@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a0041027152320e05c1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099040061.3800.0.camel@home.gnome.no> ons, 27,.10.2004 kl. 17.23 -0500, skrev Jerone Young: > Another issue (this time I'll actually put it).. > > If you place the Dictionary app on the Gnome Panel it crashes > when I log out on X86_64 Fedora. I'm not sure if this is happening on > i386. > Haven't seen this here on x86 and I've had it there for quite a while now. Cheers Kjartan From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 12:23:26 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:23:26 -0400 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1099052027.4019.70.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099052027.4019.70.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102905233a5681d0@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:13:47 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > Come on, you know that you needn't do it that way. For Rawhide, all we > (that is some people including me) want to have is that the packages > that originate in the Red Hat build system are signed with a short-lived > key that we can be sure that the package is in fact the one piped > through the build system. This can be made part of the pushing step in > the process. Short lived? I think this is the first time I've seen someone mentioning a short lived key. How short lived? -jef From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 12:29:53 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:29:53 +0200 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102905233a5681d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099052027.4019.70.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102905233a5681d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099052993.4019.74.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:23 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:13:47 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > Come on, you know that you needn't do it that way. For Rawhide, all we > > (that is some people including me) want to have is that the packages > > that originate in the Red Hat build system are signed with a short-lived > > key that we can be sure that the package is in fact the one piped > > through the build system. This can be made part of the pushing step in > > the process. > > Short lived? I think this is the first time I've seen someone > mentioning a short lived key. How short lived? I should have written "potentially short-lived", less because I think the key would be compromised, more because I would like to have the key for Rawhide changed for every development cycle. So people would have to regularly think about whether they really want to run Rawhide or not ;o). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From j.c.burton at gats-inc.com Fri Oct 29 12:56:55 2004 From: j.c.burton at gats-inc.com (John Burton) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:56:55 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> Nils Philippsen wrote: [...snip...] >I still don't see how signing a package makes it more trustworthy than >signing the repo metadata. Signing a package gives me some amount of >trust in its origin, not its quality or whatever. > > > Jumping into this discussion face first... As you said, signing a package gives you some amount of trust in its origin. The trust in its quality is derived from the reputation of the origin, i.e. I would "trust" the quality of a package signed by RedHat before I would "trust" the quality of a package signed by Joe Schmo from xyz. But that "trust" in the RedHat quality would probably be damaged if they were to "sign" pre-release (rawhide) packages. So, releases should be signed, tests should not. As far as signing packages vs. signing meta-data... Digital signatures are like real signatures, you want to make sure they are actually attached to what you are signing. If there is a chance that package that the signed meta-data represents can be changed without invalidating the signature, then you've lost the authentication power of the signature. In the non-digital world, you sign each page of a contract, not a seperate blank page attached to the contract. Signing a blank page is meaningless... Okay, back to lurking in the dark shadows... John >Nils > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: j.c.burton.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 29 13:18:19 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> John Burton said: [snip] > As far as signing packages vs. signing meta-data... Digital signatures > are like real signatures, you want to make sure they are actually attached > to what you are signing. [snip] IIRC the discussion was that signed meta-data would have the signatures attached to the MD5sums of the packages. The MD5sums of the download could then be checked against the meta-data, verifying that the package is the same as the package used to create the meta-data. -- William Hooper From j.c.burton at gats-inc.com Fri Oct 29 13:19:41 2004 From: j.c.burton at gats-inc.com (John Burton) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:19:41 -0400 Subject: NTFS filesystem... Message-ID: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> Greetings once again... Before I subscribed to this list, I sent a message which is currently being held by the moderators (no problem). Here is my porblem.... I have a dual boot laptop, Windows XP on the first partition (/dev/hda1) and FC3-RC1 (updated via yum on 10/28 to kernel 2.6.9-1.643). /dev/hda1 is formatted NTFS. Other versions of Linux including FC2 have allowed me access to NTFS filesystems. But now I get > [root at traveler john]# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/C > mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel Which is not what I need. Unfortunately since there isn't a kernel-source rpm available, I can't easily compile a ntfs module. Being able to read the ntfs partition is critical, being able to write to it isn't. Since the actual release of FC3 is near, are there any plans to include ntfs support in the released version? John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: j.c.burton.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From j.c.burton at gats-inc.com Fri Oct 29 13:24:15 2004 From: j.c.burton at gats-inc.com (John Burton) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:24:15 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <4182447F.6080904@gats-inc.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: j.c.burton.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 13:35:28 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:35:28 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1099056929.4019.82.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:56 -0400, John Burton wrote: > Nils Philippsen wrote: > > [...snip...] > > >I still don't see how signing a package makes it more trustworthy than > >signing the repo metadata. Signing a package gives me some amount of > >trust in its origin, not its quality or whatever. > > > > > > > Jumping into this discussion face first... > As you said, signing a package gives you some amount of trust in its > origin. The trust in its quality is derived from the reputation of the > origin, i.e. I would "trust" the quality of a package signed by RedHat > before I would "trust" the quality of a package signed by Joe Schmo from > xyz. But that "trust" in the RedHat quality would probably be damaged if > they were to "sign" pre-release (rawhide) packages. So, releases should > be signed, tests should not. And this assumption is wrong. A signature on a package is absolutely not correlated to the quality of it. To ease the burden on people's brains ;-) we have different keys for RHEL, Fedora, final, beta, Rawhide and whatnot. Therefore there is some kind of weak correlation between the key used to sign the package and the package's quality. People that import the Rawhide key should know that it might hose their systems, if they're not aware of that fact they'd better erase it from their systems (e.g. "rpm -e gpg-pubkey-e418e3aa-3f439953 gpg-pubkey-1cddbca9-3f9da14c" would erase the Rawhide keys from my system). > As far as signing packages vs. signing meta-data... Digital signatures > are like real signatures, you want to make sure they are actually > attached to what you are signing. If there is a chance that package that > the signed meta-data represents can be changed without invalidating the > signature, then you've lost the authentication power of the signature. > In the non-digital world, you sign each page of a contract, not a > seperate blank page attached to the contract. Signing a blank page is > meaningless... ACK. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 13:36:47 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:36:47 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:18 -0400, William Hooper wrote: > John Burton said: > [snip] > > As far as signing packages vs. signing meta-data... Digital signatures > > are like real signatures, you want to make sure they are actually attached > > to what you are signing. > [snip] > > IIRC the discussion was that signed meta-data would have the signatures > attached to the MD5sums of the packages. The MD5sums of the download > could then be checked against the meta-data, verifying that the package is > the same as the package used to create the meta-data. This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access the packages if I want to verify their origins. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 13:38:35 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:38:35 -0400 Subject: NTFS filesystem... In-Reply-To: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> References: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102906382b0c7486@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:19:41 -0400, John Burton wrote: > Which is not what I need. Unfortunately since there isn't a > kernel-source rpm available, I can't easily compile a ntfs module. but a kernel src.rpm exists, and if you look back through the archives for this list and devel-list you will find the instructions on how to regenerate a kernel-source package. from the srpm if you really want to rebuild the kernel module for yourself instead of using a repository like livna. http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 > Being able to read the ntfs partition is critical, being able to write > to it isn't. Since the actual release of FC3 is near, are there any > plans to include ntfs support in the released version? Sorry, no. the Red Sox have used up this years quota of last minute miracles. -jef From arnling at kth.se Fri Oct 29 13:38:36 2004 From: arnling at kth.se (Joakim Arnling) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:38:36 +0200 Subject: shurtcut bug Message-ID: <1099057116.4394.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I find it impossible to bind any keyboard shortcut to Volume mute, down & up. Have latest rawhide that I think today is the same as FC3rc3... I can't map this to anything in bugzilla. From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 13:40:32 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:40:32 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099056929.4019.82.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1099056929.4019.82.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099057232.4019.89.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 15:35 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > And this assumption is wrong. A signature on a package is absolutely not > correlated to the quality of it. That last sentence should read: "Having a Red Hat signature on a package is absolutely not correlated to the quality of it." -- i.e. we generally sign all packages "leaving the house", be they Rawhide, beta or final. Sorry for the confusion this may have caused. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 13:44:28 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:44:28 +0200 Subject: NTFS filesystem... In-Reply-To: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> References: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1099057468.4019.94.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:19 -0400, John Burton wrote: > Which is not what I need. Unfortunately since there isn't a > kernel-source rpm available, I can't easily compile a ntfs module. Wrong, if my assumption is correct that to build the NTFS modules you only need the headers that have been used to compile the running kernel. These are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build and I have built Nvidia and lirc modules successfully using these headers. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 29 13:48:00 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:48:00 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099057680.10818.4.camel@binkley> > This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access > the packages if I want to verify their origins. Is this really all that big of a deal? -sv From russell at coker.com.au Fri Oct 29 13:50:39 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:50:39 +1000 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <20041029100417.GE10806@copilotcom.com> References: <1098877596.23875.9.camel@zm226.zmet.agh.edu.pl> <1098895631.2917.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029100417.GE10806@copilotcom.com> Message-ID: <200410292350.39234.russell@coker.com.au> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:04, Tracy R Reed wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:47:11AM -0700, Per Bjornsson spake thusly: > > not the least since Hans Reiser always actively tries to bad-mouth > > changes going into it, since he wants people to focus on Reiser4. > > reiser3 is a stable production release. People shouldn't be making changes > in it. ext2 has been a stable production release for many years, but it has has XATTR and SE Linux support added. I don't think that there is any reason not to do the same for ReiserFS. New features can't wait for everyone to use new file systems. Hans has decided not to support XATTRs, and as a consequence of that people who want to use SE Linux will make much less use of ReiserFS. This also impacts the ability of Red Hat to support ReiserFS. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From fedora at nodata.co.uk Fri Oct 29 13:56:27 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:56:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: NTFS filesystem... Message-ID: <54976.213.164.3.90.1099058187.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > Greetings once again... > > Before I subscribed to this list, I sent a message which is currently being held by the moderators (no problem). Here is my porblem.... > > I have a dual boot laptop, Windows XP on the first partition (/dev/hda1) and FC3-RC1 (updated via yum on 10/28 to kernel 2.6.9-1.643). /dev/hda1 is formatted NTFS. Other versions of Linux including FC2 have allowed me access to NTFS filesystems. But now I get > >> [root at traveler john]# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/C >> mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel > > Which is not what I need. Unfortunately since there isn't a > kernel-source rpm available, I can't easily compile a ntfs module. Being able to read the ntfs partition is critical, being able to write to it isn't. Since the actual release of FC3 is near, are there any plans to include ntfs support in the released version? > > John > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/build.html From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 13:57:18 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:57:18 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099057680.10818.4.camel@binkley> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099057680.10818.4.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1099058238.3709.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 09:48 -0400, seth vidal a ?crit : > > This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access > > the packages if I want to verify their origins. > > Is this really all that big of a deal? > And apt ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:36:47 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access > the packages if I want to verify their origins. actually...no. you can grab the signed metadata with the md5sums, check the sig on that. and then do a md5sum check comparing the md5sum values in the metadata and the package. You can do the md5sum check by hand. This isn't much different than the situation with the isos. How do you verify you are using the correct isos? you check the md5sums against an md5sum list. How do you check the validity of the md5sum list? You check the md5sum list signature. You might argue it would be a good idea if there was a signed flat md5sum list for all packages as well as the xml metadata, so the md5sum command could use it. And then I'll tell you, you need to accept the inevitable future of xml for all possible human communication adopted by unanimous United Nations resolution, and you should fix md5sum to parse xml structure files for md5sum sigs :-> And I really really really don't want to encourage people to use rawhide packages randomly from something like an online rpm warehouse. I don't want misinformed people, being able to pick up an individual rawhide package, see that its signed, and use the fact that there is a verifable signature as an easy excuse to assume its totally okay to install. This sort of crap happens a lot with unsigned rawhide, and I don't want people who misunderstand what a signature really means to feel more comfortable installing rawhide packages when they should not be. There is a gap between, the technical definition of what signing a package means, and common perception of what a signed package means. My concerns is not for people like yourself, who understand that a rawhide key doesnt mean anything beyond 'this package was built on the automated rawhide build system." My concern is for the people, the much larger group of people, who will misinterpret the level of trust associated with ANY key and will be that much more inclined to install a random rawhide package they happen to find outside of a rawhide mirror, without thinking about it at all. It doesn't help that as of now rpm key importation can't handle signed keys, and thus web-of-trust metrics can't be used natively to produce a metric of trust of keys. How do you implement verification for those people who understand what it means, without giving a false sense of security and trust for those people who are misinformed about the process who end up using the rawhide packages out of their original context? I say you sign the metadata and have the informed people use the package metadata for verification. Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the rawhide packages... yes Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed audience... i think it does. -jef From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 29 14:21:08 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:21:08 +0200 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 Message-ID: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> I'm unable to burn CD 3 & 4 of RC3 (i386) so that is passes the media check process. I used 6 diferent media and 2 different burners, all without success. MD4sum is OK for the downloaded files. Does anyone else have this prob or did I miss some previous posts? Peter From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 14:22:58 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:22:58 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099057680.10818.4.camel@binkley> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099057680.10818.4.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <1099059779.4019.97.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:48 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access > > the packages if I want to verify their origins. > > Is this really all that big of a deal? Sometimes you don't have it, sometimes they don't work (say I botched python on my system -- "and then?") ;-). I use yum/up2date regularly but I wouldn't want to have artificial barriers for people who for one or the other reason want to or can only install with RPM. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 14:23:10 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:23:10 -0600 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> Message-ID: <1099059790.3651.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> I burnt ISO disk 3 and 4 of rc3 yesterday using K3B on FC3T3 with no problems. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:21 +0200, Peter wrote: > I'm unable to burn CD 3 & 4 of RC3 (i386) so that is passes the media > check process. I used 6 diferent media and 2 different burners, all > without success. MD4sum is OK for the downloaded files. Does anyone else > have this prob or did I miss some previous posts? > > Peter > > > > > From fedora at nodata.co.uk Fri Oct 29 14:25:24 2004 From: fedora at nodata.co.uk (nodata) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:25:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43968.213.164.3.90.1099059924.squirrel@213.164.3.90> > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:36:47 +0200, Nils Philippsen > wrote: >> This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access >> the packages if I want to verify their origins. > > actually...no. > > you can grab the signed metadata with the md5sums, check the sig on that. > and then do a md5sum check comparing the md5sum values in the metadata > and the package. You can do the md5sum check by hand. This isn't much > different than the situation with the isos. How do you verify you are > using the correct isos? you check the md5sums against an md5sum list. > How do you check the validity of the md5sum list? > You check the md5sum list signature. > > You might argue it would be a good idea if there was a signed flat > md5sum list for all packages as well as the xml metadata, so the > md5sum command could use it. And then I'll tell you, you need to > accept the inevitable future of xml for all possible human > communication adopted by unanimous United Nations resolution, and you > should fix md5sum to parse xml structure files for md5sum sigs :-> > > And I really really really don't want to encourage people to use > rawhide packages randomly from something like an online rpm warehouse. > I don't want misinformed people, being able to pick up an individual > rawhide package, see that its signed, and use the fact that there is a > verifable signature as an easy excuse to assume its totally okay to > install. This sort of crap happens a lot with unsigned rawhide, and I > don't want people who misunderstand what a signature really means to > feel more comfortable installing rawhide packages when they should not > be. There is a gap between, the technical definition of what signing > a package means, and common perception of what a signed package means. > My concerns is not for people like yourself, who understand that a > rawhide key doesnt mean anything beyond 'this package was built on the > automated rawhide build system." My concern is for the people, the > much larger group of people, who will misinterpret the level of trust > associated with ANY key and will be that much more inclined to install > a random rawhide package they happen to find outside of a rawhide > mirror, without thinking about it at all. It doesn't help that as of But "rpm" doesn't require a signature for an install. yum does. If an ill-informed users downloads and installs a rawhide package, they'd never find out whether it was signed or not. Only users tracking rawhide with yum will be told about this missing signature, and these aren't the ill-informed ones (in your example). > now rpm key importation can't handle signed keys, and thus > web-of-trust metrics can't be used natively to produce a metric of > trust of keys. How do you implement verification for those people who > understand what it means, without giving a false sense of security and > trust for those people who are misinformed about the process who end > up using the rawhide packages out of their original context? I say > you sign the metadata and have the informed people use the package > metadata for verification. > > Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course > Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the > rawhide packages... yes > Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed > audience... i think it does. > > -jef > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 14:33:12 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:33:12 -0600 Subject: FC3rc3 issue list: Bugzilla or this list ? Message-ID: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> There are a number of things that don't work in FC3rc3. Should I be reporting them to this list or to bugzilla ? The issues I know of now are: kwireless needs to be manually restarted to work in a new session Otherwise it shows that you have no connection. (I spent an hour troubleshooting my connection before I realized that the problem was kwireless and not the connection itself !) sound doesn't work open office file associations are missing K3B has an issue with making DVD coasters there was an anaconda installation error ark hangs with large compressed tar files there might still be an issue with glibc. From maze at cela.pl Fri Oct 29 14:35:08 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:35:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> Message-ID: I'd suggest using the minimum possible burning speed, I have a few isos that always burn badly at speeds over 16x on 4 different burners I've tried. MaZe. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Peter wrote: > I'm unable to burn CD 3 & 4 of RC3 (i386) so that is passes the media > check process. I used 6 diferent media and 2 different burners, all > without success. MD4sum is OK for the downloaded files. Does anyone else > have this prob or did I miss some previous posts? > > Peter > > > > > > From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 23:06:38 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:06:38 -0600 Subject: FC3 rc2 issues In-Reply-To: <9f50a7a0041027152320e05c1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098889590.3569.16.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098905964.5147.15.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <1098907865.5147.25.camel@saturn.stcl.edu> <9f50a7a0041027152224a08b2d@mail.gmail.com> <9f50a7a0041027152320e05c1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099004798.3392.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:23 -0500, Jerone Young wrote: > Another issue (this time I'll actually put it).. > > If you place the Dictionary app on the Gnome Panel it crashes > when I log out on X86_64 Fedora. I'm not sure if this is happening on > i386. > Jerone, could you please do two things to make other people's lives easier when reading your mail? 1. Delete whatever previous text you don't need. Quoting the full text of the previous message is wasteful, and makes the entire rest of the list wade through pages of unnecessary stuff. 2. After trimming the previous text to keep only what you really need for context or response, post your response at the bottom. That way the answer follows the question, or your response follows the original comment. Thanks, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 23:03:52 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:03:52 -0600 Subject: FC3rc2 - please test In-Reply-To: <200410271443.22282.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <417F828A.4070506@carwyn.com> <200410271443.22282.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099004632.3392.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 14:43 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > However, for FC3RC1, I had to reget 7 of the 9 > images due to md5sum failures, the last SRPMS-disk4, 5 times. My > fault, verizons or yours? DamnedifIknow. > Not likely Red Hat's. I got those over the weekend from my office, and all downloads worked on the first try. Just an FYI. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 23:26:32 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:26:32 -0600 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1098923965.4303.69.camel@excession.dzr> Message-ID: <1099005992.3392.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 01:39 +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote: > I'm honestly quite staggered by this. Applications that I choose to > install won't show up in the menu because a typical end user wouldn't > ever use them. In which case don't install them for the end user, and > when someone deliberately chooses to install them put an entry for them > in the menu! > Amen! -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 23:24:43 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:24:43 -0600 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> Message-ID: <1099005883.3392.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 21:24 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > And besides, we're just talking about defaults. Nothing stops you from > removing NoDisplay=true from the .desktop file. > Colin, despite the respect I have for you, that comment is just absurd. I rather like emacs. I haven't used it recently since I had only seen Vi on the GNOME menu, recently installed FC3-T2, and just have not had the spare cycles to tweak the installation. I was flabbergasted just now to discover that Emacs *was* installed, but not on the menu. If the default user does not use Emacs, don't install it! Simple. But any application that is installed should be on the menu somewhere. This decision of "the user does not need to know that it is there" smacks of Windows deciding what's best for you without your knowledge or consent, and furthermore bloats the disk space requirements for the many for something only used by the few. I do *NOT* want to have to search my disk and scour the .desktop files to find out what happened behind my back or without my knowledge. "NoDisplay=true" should *NEVER* be the default for an application. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 23:48:21 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:48:21 -0600 Subject: no yum sources for fc3-rc2? In-Reply-To: <20041028030049.GA12509@wolves.durham.nc.us> References: <1098913935.2990.15.camel@localhost> <1098931502.4327.53.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <20041028030049.GA12509@wolves.durham.nc.us> Message-ID: <1099007301.3392.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 23:00 -0400, Gregory Woodbury wrote: > You can run system-config-packages with the --tree= or --iso= options > pointing to the proper URLs. > Is there a way for those using the graphical application to get the same functionality? I don't see *any* way to customize its behavior in GNOME. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Thu Oct 28 23:44:02 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:44:02 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:40 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > But I am tired with this mix of authentification, quality, rawhide mean > "don't complain", trust own unsigned rawhide rpm but don't trust own > unsigned rpm if it's not rawhide, ... arguments. I think it's more of a question of attaching a different meaning to things. You see signing the Rawhide packages as a way to know that they were not altered on a mirror, such that you are sure of downloading the actual code produced by Red Hat. However, Peter and Jeff see signing the package as having the same value as your signature on a legal document: certification of something of value. As such, Fedora releases and updates (even beta releases) are signed, but Rawhide releases are not. Both points of view make sense, but they attach different meanings to the concept of "signing" something. My *interpretation* of what you wanted is that you would get exactly what you want by having people sign the metadata in the repository as was suggested earlier. You can then be certain that whatever is in the repo is exactly what it should be. Now, how do we sign repo metadata? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From i.pilcher at comcast.net Fri Oct 29 14:44:25 2004 From: i.pilcher at comcast.net (Ian Pilcher) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:44:25 -0500 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course > Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the > rawhide packages... yes > Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed > audience... i think it does. > So you're suggesting that the use of signed packages should be limited by some "least common denominator" of ignorant users? I suspect that if you broadly adopt that principle, you won't be real happy with the results. -- ======================================================================== Clearly, there is no political benefit to expediting the admission of legal immigrants into the United States. Nevertheless, I believe that our elected officials have an obligation to do more than simply pander to the thinly veiled racism of their constituents. Ian Pilcher ======================================================================== From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 14:48:45 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:48:45 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099047474.4019.10.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41823E17.5@gats-inc.com> <1409.12.29.16.103.1099055899.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099057007.4019.85.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102907087f7f4d02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099061326.4019.120.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 10:08 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:36:47 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > This still forces me to use special tools like up2date and yum to access > > the packages if I want to verify their origins. > > actually...no. > > you can grab the signed metadata with the md5sums, check the sig on that. > and then do a md5sum check comparing the md5sum values in the metadata > and the package. You can do the md5sum check by hand. This isn't much > different than the situation with the isos. How do you verify you are > using the correct isos? you check the md5sums against an md5sum list. > How do you check the validity of the md5sum list? > You check the md5sum list signature. OK, not "forces" but "compels" because I don't want to go through this hassle ;-). I can always introduce yet another level of indirection, just to make people use the tools I think they should be using, but is it wise to do so? NB: I am not against signing repo metadata, but I am absolutely in favour of signing every package that "leaves the house" for reasons I stated elsewhere (it is no more burden for the pushing tool to have all packages as well as the metadata signed). > You might argue it would be a good idea if there was a signed flat > md5sum list for all packages as well as the xml metadata, so the > md5sum command could use it. And then I'll tell you, you need to > accept the inevitable future of xml for all possible human > communication adopted by unanimous United Nations resolution, and you > should fix md5sum to parse xml structure files for md5sum sigs :-> No, we don't want to start another discussion about XML and its benefits and drawbacks. Not even because it's Friday ;-). > And I really really really don't want to encourage people to use > rawhide packages randomly from something like an online rpm warehouse. > I don't want misinformed people, being able to pick up an individual > rawhide package, see that its signed, and use the fact that there is a > verifable signature as an easy excuse to assume its totally okay to > install. This sort of crap happens a lot with unsigned rawhide, and I > don't want people who misunderstand what a signature really means to > feel more comfortable installing rawhide packages when they should not > be. There is a gap between, the technical definition of what signing > a package means, and common perception of what a signed package means. > My concerns is not for people like yourself, who understand that a > rawhide key doesnt mean anything beyond 'this package was built on the > automated rawhide build system." My concern is for the people, the > much larger group of people, who will misinterpret the level of trust > associated with ANY key and will be that much more inclined to install > a random rawhide package they happen to find outside of a rawhide > mirror, without thinking about it at all. It doesn't help that as of > now rpm key importation can't handle signed keys, and thus > web-of-trust metrics can't be used natively to produce a metric of > trust of keys. How do you implement verification for those people who > understand what it means, without giving a false sense of security and > trust for those people who are misinformed about the process who end > up using the rawhide packages out of their original context? I say > you sign the metadata and have the informed people use the package > metadata for verification. > > Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course > Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the > rawhide packages... yes > Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed > audience... i think it does. I never denied that there are people who can have a false notion on what a signature on a Rawhide package means. But I absolutely refuse that _I_ should have to jump through hoops due to that, even more so given that the majority of them won't install with RPM but with up2date or yum. >From there it's a short step from "Huh why doesn't this install?" over asking on some mailing lists or on IRC where someone answers "use gpgcheck=0 or --nosig", i.e. the not-so-well-informed will install Rawhide anyway if you don't expressly forbid it. I'd say that the set of people who insist on signed packages but are clueless about what this means or doesn't mean regarding the quality is rather small ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From boson245 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 15:07:24 2004 From: boson245 at gmail.com (Scott Fones) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:07:24 -0400 Subject: "Configuring kernel parameters" stalls Message-ID: <43b2be5f04102908076f755862@mail.gmail.com> I decided to install FC3t3, booted into kde, downloaded all updates, installed the NVIDIA driver and a few applications. Now when I go to boot up into either the 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 kernel, it just stalls when it gets past the first two options to "Configuring kernel parameters". This never made a difference before, but it fails to start the Xserver when booting into runlevel 5 until the login screen. I have tried using a live cd, but can't figure out how to mount partition. If anyone has any ideas on either how to fix it or further troubleshooting, they'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Scott From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 29 15:09:14 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:09:14 +0000 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Message-ID: > On Fri, October 29, 2004 02:08 PM Jeff Spaleta wrote: > you can grab the signed metadata with the md5sums, check the sig on that. > and then do a md5sum check comparing the md5sum values in the metadata > and the package. You can do the md5sum check by hand. This isn't much > different than the situation with the isos. How do you verify you are > using the correct isos? you check the md5sums against an md5sum list. > How do you check the validity of the md5sum list? > You check the md5sum list signature. Amen!!!!!! Thank you for restating that again. I was hoping when you presented that before it would put all this to rest. Thats how digital signatures "work". I think that is really the BEST solution for this whole problem. > > You might argue it would be a good idea if there was a signed flat > md5sum list for all packages as well as the xml metadata, so the > md5sum command could use it. And then I'll tell you, you need to > accept the inevitable future of xml for all possible human > communication adopted by unanimous United Nations resolution, and you > should fix md5sum to parse xml structure files for md5sum sigs :-> Exactly! > Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course > Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the > rawhide packages... yes > Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed > audience... i think it does. > > -jef > I and think the latter is a bigger and worse impact than the benefit of the former! Andrew From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 15:11:33 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:11:33 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 17:44 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:40 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > But I am tired with this mix of authentification, quality, rawhide mean > > "don't complain", trust own unsigned rawhide rpm but don't trust own > > unsigned rpm if it's not rawhide, ... arguments. > > I think it's more of a question of attaching a different meaning to > things. You see signing the Rawhide packages as a way to know that they > were not altered on a mirror, such that you are sure of downloading the > actual code produced by Red Hat. However, Peter and Jeff see signing the > package as having the same value as your signature on a legal document: > certification of something of value. As such, Fedora releases and > updates (even beta releases) are signed, but Rawhide releases are not. > > Both points of view make sense, but they attach different meanings to > the concept of "signing" something. > > My *interpretation* of what you wanted is that you would get exactly > what you want by having people sign the metadata in the repository as > was suggested earlier. You can then be certain that whatever is in the > repo is exactly what it should be. > > Now, how do we sign repo metadata? So we (in a very much too broad sense of "we" ;-) are basically saying that we should replace a mechanism that worked well for years with another one that a) puts a burden on the people who "know what things mean", b) doesn't really solve the problem with people doing things they shouldn't do(*) and c) doesn't exist already? Great idea ;-). (*): See another mail of me in this thread why assume this. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 15:09:53 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:09:53 +0200 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1098978964.8737.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978964.8737.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099062592.3958.5.camel@kyrre> tor, 28.10.2004 kl. 17.56 skrev Kim Lux (Mr.): > I just ran prelink manually. cpu usage never went over 3%. It was done > in 2 minutes. > > It was not an issue that prelink was running. I think it was an issue > that is was running at 80% cpu resources. *snip* Hmm? On my computers (those who get shutdown at night), prelink usually starts about 1-? hour after i booted it, and it has two "phases" - a "little CPU" phase, and the "eat as much CPU as you can get" phase. Thanks god for multitasking. It usually last something like 5 minutes. This is on core 2, and i think core 1 was similar. Another ?berannoying cronjob, is the updatedb one. whytheh*** does anacron have to run it?!? It also takes about 5 minutes, and it is almost impossible to lauch programs in a resonable time when it is running... From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 15:14:07 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:14:07 +0200 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> Message-ID: <1099062847.4019.131.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:21 +0200, Peter wrote: > I'm unable to burn CD 3 & 4 of RC3 (i386) so that is passes the media > check process. I used 6 diferent media and 2 different burners, all > without success. MD4sum is OK for the downloaded files. Does anyone else > have this prob or did I miss some previous posts? I heard you need to use padding (cdrecord option "-pad"). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From jvdias at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 15:15:54 2004 From: jvdias at redhat.com (Jason Vas Dias) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:15:54 -0400 Subject: "Configuring kernel parameters" stalls In-Reply-To: <43b2be5f04102908076f755862@mail.gmail.com> References: <43b2be5f04102908076f755862@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099062954.2588.30.camel@jvdsibm.boston.redhat.com> You need to remove the 'rhgb' boot option : 1. On the first grub screen, quickly press 'a' 2. edit the kernel boot command line to remove rhgb It was thought this problem (bug #135134) was fixed with kernel-2.6.9-1.639+ - please report exactly which kernel and xorg version you are using. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:07, Scott Fones wrote: > I decided to install FC3t3, booted into kde, downloaded all updates, > installed the NVIDIA driver and a few applications. Now when I go to > boot up into either the 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 kernel, it just stalls when it > gets past the first two options to "Configuring kernel parameters". > This never made a difference before, but it fails to start the Xserver > when booting into runlevel 5 until the login screen. I have tried > using a live cd, but can't figure out how to mount partition. If > anyone has any ideas on either how to fix it or further > troubleshooting, they'd be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Scott From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 15:15:38 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:15:38 +0200 Subject: Problem installing FC3 test 3 with nvidia In-Reply-To: <1099034897.4035.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <71ca273104102900152bccfcc7@mail.gmail.com> <1099034897.4035.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099062937.3958.7.camel@kyrre> fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 09.28 skrev Kim Lux: > Can you configure X to use VESA ? I've got an nvidia card that is not > directly supported, but it works in VESA mode. > set driver in xorg.conf to "vesa" > Kim > > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:15 +0200, Mailing List wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a problem installing FC3 test 3. > > I have a Nvidia Quadro 4 videocard. > > This is default not supported in FC (gives black screen on screen 0 > > and scrambled screen on screen1) > > During install, I chose text-install to avoid the graphical installation. > > (That helped installing FC1 before) > > But after installing, it will boot in first-boot-mode , starting a > > graphical screen , starting with the licence agreement. > > This will turn black after a few seconds, leaving me with a problem: i > > need to install nvidia drivers in order to have X working, but I need > > to finish the installation with X .. > > > > What can I do about this? A reboot doesnt help, will take me to the > > graphical screen again. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ruud > > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 15:20:04 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:20:04 +0200 Subject: "Configuring kernel parameters" stalls In-Reply-To: <43b2be5f04102908076f755862@mail.gmail.com> References: <43b2be5f04102908076f755862@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099063205.3709.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 11:07 -0400, Scott Fones a ?crit : > I decided to install FC3t3, booted into kde, downloaded all updates, > installed the NVIDIA driver and a few applications. Now when I go to > boot up into either the 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 kernel, it just stalls when it > gets past the first two options to "Configuring kernel parameters". > This never made a difference before, but it fails to start the Xserver > when booting into runlevel 5 until the login screen. I have tried > using a live cd, but can't figure out how to mount partition. If > anyone has any ideas on either how to fix it or further > troubleshooting, they'd be greatly appreciated. > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev/ Nvidia Quick solution: If you do *not* need rhgb, just load the nvidia module in /etc/rc.local If you have udev >= 032-5, load the nvidia module: cp -a /dev/nvidia* /etc/udev/devices chown root.root /etc/udev/devices/nvidia* The Bugzilla for this problem is 133900. > Thanks, > Scott > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 15:20:41 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:20:41 +0200 Subject: FC3rc3 issue list: Bugzilla or this list ? In-Reply-To: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:33 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > There are a number of things that don't work in FC3rc3. Should I be > reporting them to this list or to bugzilla ? Put it into Bugzilla always (well, after checking that it isn't already there of course) so that we don't lose track of it. Remember: "If it's not in Bugzilla, it's not a bug." ;-) Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 15:21:16 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:21:16 -0400 Subject: NTFS filesystem... In-Reply-To: <41824D84.803@gats-inc.com> References: <4182436D.3030807@gats-inc.com> <1099057468.4019.94.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <41824D84.803@gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <1099063276.10844.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> So, you have your normal module makefile: obj-m := foo.o Then, you have a script (or just execute from command line in the module directory) make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=$PWD modules Lo and behold, out the other end comes foo.ko Dan On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 10:02 -0400, John Burton wrote: > Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:19 -0400, John Burton wrote: > > > > > > > Which is not what I need. Unfortunately since there isn't a > > > kernel-source rpm available, I can't easily compile a ntfs module. > > > > > > > Wrong, if my assumption is correct that to build the NTFS modules you > > only need the headers that have been used to compile the running kernel. > > These are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build and I have built Nvidia and > > lirc modules successfully using these headers. > > > > Nils > > > Hey, cool beans! I've never built a kernel module that way, I've > always had the kernel source tree installed to build it. Perhaps thats > because I'm an old codger who learned to compile linux kernels on the > 0.99 version kernels...:-) > > Now I'll have to figure out how to build it the way you suggest! > Thanks soo much!! > > John > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Fri Oct 29 15:31:25 2004 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:31:25 -0600 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> Message-ID: <20041029153125.GA5254@charlescurley.com> On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 02:48:18PM -0400, John Burton wrote: > Greetings! > I have a 1.5GB USB drive (looks like an old cigarette lighter). It has 2 > partitions, both formatted as VFAT - have to communicate with Windows > systems. The partitions were created under WindowsXP and have the labels > "Common" & Backup" I plug it in to a USB port and it's recognized: > > But it does not mount them. I can manually mount them by doing a > "mount /dev/sda1 /media/COMMON". > > Now, the question. What do I have to do to have the USB drive/partitions > mounted automatically? Other folks have given you several pointers, so I won't duplicate them. A warning, though. Auto-mount or not, make sure you umount them before you pull the drive, lest you have file system corruption! I've found that one way to remind users to umount drives is to require them to manually mount them. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 15:32:05 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:32:05 -0600 Subject: Issue in glibc in FC3T3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099062592.3958.5.camel@kyrre> References: <1098974141.5158.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041028145807.GN8596@redhat.com> <1098976902.8067.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098977676.8993.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978388.8737.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098978964.8737.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062592.3958.5.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099063925.26566.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> I know everyone has worked hard on scheduling, etc and I appreciate all they've done. I'd just love to see process have a "throttle" attribute such that they are limited to how much of various resources they are allowed to consume. (Maybe this is already in the new schedulers ?) It would than be nice if cron jobs had a throttle parameter. (I know about nice.) There would be nothing wrong with cron jobs such as prelink running at 10 to 30% cpu for 10 minutes or so. Prelink just ran on my new fc3rc3 installation. It took about 5 minutes at high CPU usage. I believe this is the first time it ran on the new installation. I can't say if yesterday's episode was warranted or not. I'll assume it was until I see something that appears out of the ordinary. Kim On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:09 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > tor, 28.10.2004 kl. 17.56 skrev Kim Lux (Mr.): > > I just ran prelink manually. cpu usage never went over 3%. It was done > > in 2 minutes. > > > > It was not an issue that prelink was running. I think it was an issue > > that is was running at 80% cpu resources. > *snip* > > Hmm? On my computers (those who get shutdown at night), prelink usually > starts about 1-? hour after i booted it, and it has two "phases" - a > "little CPU" phase, and the "eat as much CPU as you can get" phase. > Thanks god for multitasking. It usually last something like 5 minutes. > This is on core 2, and i think core 1 was similar. > > Another ?berannoying cronjob, is the updatedb one. whytheh*** does > anacron have to run it?!? It also takes about 5 minutes, and it is > almost impossible to lauch programs in a resonable time when it is > running... > From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 15:34:48 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:34:48 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099064089.4019.149.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 15:09 +0000, Andrew wrote: > > On Fri, October 29, 2004 02:08 PM Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > you can grab the signed metadata with the md5sums, check the sig on that. > > and then do a md5sum check comparing the md5sum values in the metadata > > and the package. You can do the md5sum check by hand. This isn't much > > different than the situation with the isos. How do you verify you are > > using the correct isos? you check the md5sums against an md5sum list. > > How do you check the validity of the md5sum list? > > You check the md5sum list signature. > > Amen!!!!!! Thank you for restating that again. I was hoping when you > presented that before it would put all this to rest. > Thats how digital signatures "work". I think that is really the > BEST solution for this whole problem. While we're at "restating"... - Signing a repository is not the same as signing individual packages. With the first you need to trust two "layers", i.e. you trust that the repo is from Red Hat because its metadata is signed with our key and you trust the package isn't compromised because its MD5 sum matches the one in the list. There is a reason why my trust in GPG keys is reduced the further a specific key is away from me, e.g. if I trust you because we both were at a key signing party and signed out respective keys, I will trust the keys you signed elsewhere less than yours because there is greater risk that one of the elements of the chain "breaks". This is not because of my mistrust in your signing other keys but because I don't believe in the absolute security of the process and the more elements are between two "elements" of that process (me being one), the higher is the probability that something could break and the less is my trust in said other element. - People who can't see the difference between a Rawhide and a RHEL final key are likely to just ignore whether packages are signed or not. - I can't see how making it a hassle for the people who know what different signatures mean helps in any way. > > Can rawhide packages be automatically signed... of course > > Does autosigning help the intended, well informed, audience of the > > rawhide packages... yes > > Does autosigning hurt the unintended, un-informed or mis-informed > > audience... i think it does. > > > > > -jef > > > > I and think the latter is a bigger and worse impact than the > benefit of the former! I think the latter has no noticeable impact because of the reasons I stated above and in other mails. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From walters at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 15:36:07 2004 From: walters at redhat.com (Colin Walters) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:36:07 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1099005883.3392.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1099005883.3392.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099064167.17521.2.camel@decepticon.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 17:24 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > If the default user does not use Emacs, don't install it! Simple. I already agreed, we should do that for FC4. This was just a last- minute compromise for this release. We went over the menus rather late in the development process; it should have happened much earlier. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 15:36:16 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:36:16 +0200 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> As taken from the Kismet README: Q: My distro loads the orinoco drivers for my prism2 card, is this OK? A: No, not really. The orinoco and prism chipsets are based off the same reference design, but there are subtle differences, especially in the firmware timings. Using the orinoco drivers may work for a while, but you're likely going to have problems with lost frames, corrupt frames, and system hangs. Plus, if you ever have problems and mention you're using the orinoco drivers, I'll yell at you. Think you should get another driver :) ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 22.42 skrev Dan Williams: > We've seen machine freezing with kernels since -524 related to IPv6 > code. #rh135432#. You actually get panics on the console, but if > you're in X of course then you can't switch to the console to see the > panic. This might be related to your problem, and we've usually seen it > after picking an ESSID with "other network". > > The other problem is that the orinoco drivers don't support scanning, > unless you're using upstream drivers. So you're already hosed there, NM > attempts to compensate by scanning your approved list, but there's only > so much it can do with orinoco cards. > > Dan > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:18 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > Latest rawhide update gives hal and NetworkManager version numbers: > > NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 > > NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 > > hal-0.4.0-9 > > > > First run: made sure NetworkManager started on startup. Opened up gnome console > > and started NetworkManagerInfo. Applet came up in notification area. Chose > > "Other Wireless Network" and typed in essid of wireless network (it is > > non-essid-broadcasting network). This *completely* froze the machine > > and had to do a hard reboot. > > > > Before freezing, console message was "Forcing device > > /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1" > > > > > > Second run: made sure NetworkManager was running. With utmost trepidation, > > opened up gnome console and typed in NetworkManagerInfo. Machine did not freeze > > this time, typed in ESSID of network as before. Voila! System-log > > shows connected. > > But also shows network connecting and disconnecting every second or so. > > Log attached below: > > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > > Oct 27 16:06:22 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > > Oct 27 16:06:28 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > > > > As a result, network access is sporadic at best. > > > > > > output of /var/lib/pcmcia/stab is: > > > > Socket 0: Intersil PRISM2 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter > > 0 network orinoco_cs 0 eth1 > > Socket 1: empty > > > > Anyone else seen this ? > > > > Gone back to stopping NM and using ifup, iwconfig etc (and logging out of X > > once hostname is set due to xauth *sigh*). > > > > Amitabha > > From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 15:43:32 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:43:32 -0400 Subject: Missing menu items after upgrade In-Reply-To: <1099005883.3392.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <417BD847.9090403@carwyn.com> <1098630663.27059.1.camel@craft.us.org> <1098645973.10781.0.camel@craft.us.org> <1098921765.4130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098922865.19734.126.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <20041027191451.E25010@mail.harddata.com> <1098926689.19734.141.camel@x-infinity.verbum.private> <1099005883.3392.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa79104102908432cffa30a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:24:43 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > I do *NOT* want to have to search my disk and scour the .desktop files > to find out what happened behind my back or without my knowledge. > "NoDisplay=true" should *NEVER* be the default for an application. I can make a strong case for xdvi to not be in the menus, based on its non-conformance to evolving UI standards, but to be callable as a viewer to view dvi files when you right click on a dvi file via mime associations, even in a default end-user install. Since xdvi is essential a special purposed viewer, and has very little value beyond viewing files. Constrasted to emacs or xemacs, which are editors and not just viewers. There is significant value as a development tool here beyond just a file viewer that can be called from nautilus. And clearly the inclusion of emacs at all in the default...is not aimed to fill a niche need for the intended audience of the default install. emacs is included for convience for another category of user. So i don't think its appropriate to say never be turned off in the menus by default. I'm much much more concerned about the problems associated with local reconfigs that undo the default settings in a .desktop. Approapriate hooks for local .desktop settings continues to be a problem, and a growing one. The addition of mime information in .desktop files make its vastly more important to have a clean way for local reconfigurations of .desktop files to co-exist with package defaults. I dont think even marking .desktop files as config files is going to be a workable solution. I think you will have to end up with a locally defined shadow set of .desktop files that override default .desktop file settngs. Example: /usr/share/applications/vncviewer.desktop would hold Os system defaults /usr/share/applications/local-changes/vncviewer.desktop would hold local changes that override the Os system defaults. In this case I might want to locally redifine the Categories line. All i would do is add the new Categories line in local-changes version of the file and my local change would be used without disturbing the default file. This way if yet more functionality is added to the .desktop file...like mimetype informaton has been recently... my local changes do not get in the way, unlike marking the .desktop file as a config would. -jef From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 15:48:55 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:48:55 -0600 Subject: Install "Askmethod" support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> I don't know if anyone shares this sentiment, but I consider installing from burnt ISO CDROMs to be a slow process. I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. I noticed that the USB devices were detected during the FC3 install boot up, but that they didn't appear in the disk druid partition list, for example. As it is right now, users have to download the ISOs, then burn disks, then verify disks, then install from them. This is a slow process if one is using a 4x CDRW disk in a slow CDROM drive. What I'd like to be able to do is download the ISOs to an external USB drive and then use askmethod to tell anaconda that the ISOs are on the USB drive. This would save the effort of burning the CDROMs and performing a media check on each one. It would also install a lot faster from the USB drive than from the CDROM. I think this, with kickstart, would be a great way to install and/or upgrade a number of non networked computers quickly. One could also put a bunch of things on the external drive, such as the source RPMs, various rescue tools currently not on the FC boot disk, etc. I found askmethod nfs to be a bit quirky. If it detects the network card right off and the server has simple access, ie no gateways, etc, then it works pretty well. Throw a stubborn network card into the mix and a gateway or two and I'm less enthusiastic about it. BTW: I don't think my computer, a laptop, can boot directly from a USB device. The BIOS doesn't give the user that option. I'd still have to do the initial boot from a CDROM. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 15:56:12 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:56:12 +0200 Subject: Automatic mounting of USB drives... In-Reply-To: <1098998745.3934.51.camel@davidz> References: <1098989299.4125.15.camel@traveler.gats-inc.com> <1098997328.3691.1.camel@kyrre> <1098998745.3934.51.camel@davidz> Message-ID: <1099065372.3958.17.camel@kyrre> tor, 28.10.2004 kl. 23.25 skrev David Zeuthen: > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:02 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > It makes me wonder... What if i label the partitions the same as another > > mountpoint? Could this create a security hole, somehow? (such as > > labeling a partition `rm -rf /` - would that do a "mkdir `rm -rf /` or > > could anything so ugly be done? > > > > No, we use mkdir(2), not mkdir(1). We also massage the mountpoint so it > only contains digits [0-9], ascii letters [A-Za-z], '-' and '_' > characters. Notably it wont contain any whitespace. > Guessed so. Just wanted to "check" - just for that 1% chance of a OH ***!!! i forgot that posibility responce... > Cheers, > David > From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 16:00:37 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:00:37 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099064089.4019.149.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1099064089.4019.149.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <604aa79104102909003ee2f448@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:34:48 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > - Signing a repository is not the same as signing individual packages. > With the first you need to trust two "layers", i.e. you trust that the > repo is from Red Hat because its metadata is signed with our key and you > trust the package isn't compromised because its MD5 sum matches the one > in the list. There is a reason why my trust in GPG keys is reduced the > further a specific key is away from me, e.g. if I trust you because we > both were at a key signing party and signed out respective keys, I will > trust the keys you signed elsewhere less than yours because there is This is the problem right here.... rpm has no native concept of signed keys... last i checked you cant rpm --import signed keys. You cant look at rpm's current implementation of signing in the same way you look at gnupg. rpm can't import keys that are signed by other keys. Its a very significant difference... rpm's keyring has no web of trust metric that can be used in this way...as of now. This impacts the perception of what 'trust' in signing means. If there was a trust metric that rpm and rpm based tools could natively take advantage of, in which a rawhide signing key could be endowed with far less "trust" than the full release key, I wouldn't be making the arguments that I'm making. But as it stands the lack of a trust metric for rpm beyond 'is it signed by a key at all or not'... impacts the perception of trust. And I don't want to elevate the perception of trust in the automated rawhide key to that equal of a release key in this black and white, on or off signing implementation that rpm currently has. Once rpm can deal with signed keys, and rpm tools can generate and use a trust metric natively from the rpm keyring... things are different, there will be an inherent way to assign shades of grey and the tools can inform the uninformed about where a key lives in the trust metric. -jef From royamitabha at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 16:02:56 2004 From: royamitabha at gmail.com (Amitabha Roy) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:02:56 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> What other drivers would you recommend ? Amitaha On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:36:16 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > As taken from the Kismet README: > > Q: My distro loads the orinoco drivers for my prism2 card, is this OK? > A: No, not really. The orinoco and prism chipsets are based off the > same reference design, but there are subtle differences, especially in > the firmware timings. Using the orinoco drivers may work for a while, > but you're likely going to have problems with lost frames, corrupt > frames, and system hangs. Plus, if you ever have problems and mention > you're using the orinoco drivers, I'll yell at you. > > Think you should get another driver :) > > ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 22.42 skrev Dan Williams: > > We've seen machine freezing with kernels since -524 related to IPv6 > > code. #rh135432#. You actually get panics on the console, but if > > you're in X of course then you can't switch to the console to see the > > panic. This might be related to your problem, and we've usually seen it > > after picking an ESSID with "other network". > > > > The other problem is that the orinoco drivers don't support scanning, > > unless you're using upstream drivers. So you're already hosed there, NM > > attempts to compensate by scanning your approved list, but there's only > > so much it can do with orinoco cards. > > > > Dan > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:18 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > > Latest rawhide update gives hal and NetworkManager version numbers: > > > NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 > > > NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 > > > hal-0.4.0-9 > > > > > > First run: made sure NetworkManager started on startup. Opened up gnome console > > > and started NetworkManagerInfo. Applet came up in notification area. Chose > > > "Other Wireless Network" and typed in essid of wireless network (it is > > > non-essid-broadcasting network). This *completely* froze the machine > > > and had to do a hard reboot. > > > > > > Before freezing, console message was "Forcing device > > > /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1" > > > > > > > > > Second run: made sure NetworkManager was running. With utmost trepidation, > > > opened up gnome console and typed in NetworkManagerInfo. Machine did not freeze > > > this time, typed in ESSID of network as before. Voila! System-log > > > shows connected. > > > But also shows network connecting and disconnecting every second or so. > > > Log attached below: > > > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > > > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > > > Oct 27 16:06:22 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > > > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > > > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > > > Oct 27 16:06:28 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > > > > > > As a result, network access is sporadic at best. > > > > > > > > > output of /var/lib/pcmcia/stab is: > > > > > > Socket 0: Intersil PRISM2 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter > > > 0 network orinoco_cs 0 eth1 > > > Socket 1: empty > > > > > > Anyone else seen this ? > > > > > > Gone back to stopping NM and using ifup, iwconfig etc (and logging out of X > > > once hostname is set due to xauth *sigh*). > > > > > > Amitabha > > > > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 29 16:10:30 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:10:30 +0200 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099059790.3651.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> <1099059790.3651.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099066230.3530.2.camel@littlePiet> Am Fr, den 29.10.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 16:23: > I burnt ISO disk 3 and 4 of rc3 yesterday using K3B on FC3T3 with no > problems. OK, so it seems to be a problem here. Thanks. Peter From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 16:10:15 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:10:15 -0600 Subject: kfind needs to be added to bugzilla's component list Message-ID: <1099066215.26566.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject says it all. BTW: I'm running fc3rc3. What version do I put this down as in bugzilla ? From mhaney at interactsys.com Fri Oct 29 16:10:57 2004 From: mhaney at interactsys.com (Mark Haney) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:10:57 -0400 Subject: VMWare and FC3-rc3 upgrade Message-ID: <1099066257.3016.33.camel@marius.asheville.interact> Should I bugzilla this? I have tried about a dozen times to Upgrade FC2 to FC3T3 on up to rc3 using the GUI. X crashes every single time. I finally decided to try a text based upgrade and so far everything seems to be hunky dory, it's downloading packages as we speak, which is farther than it gets when running the GUI. I made a screenshot of the failure which I can include if it helps, but don't want to waste a good bugzilla if the consensus is not to file one. -------------------------------------- Mark Haney Network Administrator InterAct Public Safety Systems mhaney at interactsys.com Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) Kernel: 2.6.8-1.521 GNU/Linux 12:08:08 up 4:54, 2 users, load average: 2.59, 2.43, 2.42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 16:18:09 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:18:09 +0200 Subject: Bad norwegian translation in OO 1.1.2 as updated in FC2 Message-ID: <1099066689.3958.29.camel@kyrre> I just noticed that there where a somewhat bad translation bug in the norwegian translation of OpenOffice - as updated for FC2. When you right-click a picture, some of the texts are in german! If somebody could please check if this is the case on FC3 as well and get it fixed before release? It has a bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137487 which even includes some proposed translations. Sorry if i did not have time for checking them well enough, but i was racing against a rapidly running out laptop battery... Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Fri Oct 29 16:38:57 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:38:57 +0300 Subject: /lib/iptables/libipt_log.so: cannot open shared object file Message-ID: <1099067937.18087.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Hi When adding -A OUTPUT -j LOG to /etc/syconfig/iptables I get service iptables restart Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: filter nat [ OK ] Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] Applying iptables firewall rules: iptables-restore v1.2.11: Couldn't load target `log':/lib/iptables/libipt_log.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Error occurred at line: 92 Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more information. Using FC3t2. The command line iptables -A OUTPUT -j LOG works. iptables-save gives *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] -A OUTPUT -j log COMMIT Putting just this in /etc/sysconfig/iptables gives the same error on restart. -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 29 16:41:05 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:41:05 -0400 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099066230.3530.2.camel@littlePiet> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> <1099059790.3651.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099066230.3530.2.camel@littlePiet> Message-ID: <200410291241.05425.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 29 October 2004 12:10, Peter wrote: >Am Fr, den 29.10.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 16:23: >> I burnt ISO disk 3 and 4 of rc3 yesterday using K3B on FC3T3 with >> no problems. > >OK, so it seems to be a problem here. Thanks. >Peter Two questions: Did I miss the rc3 announcement? Did you check the md5sums of the downloads with md5sum -c MD5SUM I had a heck of a time getting rc1 with mozilla. I used wget for rc2 and it got it right the first time. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 29 17:06:20 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:06:20 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:11 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > So we (in a very much too broad sense of "we" ;-) are basically saying > that we should replace a mechanism that worked well for years with > another one that a) puts a burden on the people who "know what things > mean", b) doesn't really solve the problem with people doing things they > shouldn't do(*) and c) doesn't exist already? Great idea ;-). > First, I am *NOT* qualified to debate this intelligently. I am participating in this discussion mostly out of interest in learning about the subjects at hand. So I may say something incorrect, and you are hereby forbidden from beating me over the head with it. That being said, let me take your points one by one: 1. Replace something that worked well for years. What was the mechanism previously that let me verify that the updated kernel RPM on Mirror X was a bit-identical copy of the one actually published by Red Hat? I know how to verify ISO's but know of nothing that verifies a package was not tampered with after being placed on a mirror. 2. Puts a burden on people who know. Why? If a repo's metadata is signed, isn't that just one more check up2date and yum can perform to improve authentication of a package? Isn't that automatic? And can't someone also get it by hand if they choose? Besides, since you can always get the package *without* checking the metadata if you so choose with a simple "wget", what burden is put on these people? 3. Doesn't stop people from doing things they shouldn't do. No kidding... as I understood it, the idea of signing metadata had no "control" purposes in mind whatsoever. It was merely intended to be a way to know that the bits stored on server "A" were the same as those issued by the RHI buildsystem. How is this relevant? 4. Doesn't exist already. So what's your point? Tell me that it's a bad idea and explain why. But "doesn't exist yet" is a bloody silly argument. Seems to the unwashed masses here that signing repo metadata provides one benefit (knowing package A on server A is bit-identical to package A on server B) and has no real cost other than the addition of a new feature (which is even optional, since no one *has* to use it) to package managers like yum and up2date. I see no downside. Since you do, can you provide more detail on what and why? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From darren at dzr-web.com Fri Oct 29 17:17:51 2004 From: darren at dzr-web.com (D. D. Brierton) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:17:51 +0100 Subject: FC4, laptop sleep and suspend, and SUSE 9.2 Message-ID: <1099070270.25732.159.camel@excession.dzr> I know everyone is busy getting FC3 out of the door but I noticed on Seth Vidal's blog some thoughts about FC4 http://blog.sethdot.org/index.cgi/172 and in particular: "A concerted effort to make the acpi sleep and suspend functions work out-of-the-box on more laptops and desktops." I have to say that my total failure to get this to work on my Dell Inspiron 8200 is probably the only major grumble I currently have with running Linux (any Linux, not just FC) on my laptop. SUSE are touting major improvements in this area with their just released 9.2. Has anyone had a chance to test it out? If this isn't just marketing fluff or hype but actually works is there a chance of incorporating whatever it is they've done into FC4? Just curious ... Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren at dzr-web.com www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== From ngc4013 at cox.net Fri Oct 29 17:31:38 2004 From: ngc4013 at cox.net (ngc4013 at cox.net) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:31:38 -0400 Subject: FC3t3 -- udev and SCSI devices Message-ID: <20041029173133.COWU20518.lakermmtao12.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Okay Harald I found what my problem was caused by and I fixed it. I rebuilt the new RAID box and during the create I specified /dev/md1, which of course didn't work since /dev/md1 does not exist! So I had to do a mknod to create md1 then run the 'mdadm --create...' which then did it's thing. Then I made sure that the mdadm.conf file was using the UUID numbers from the RAID boxes, my mount point existed and so on, then reboted which resulted in the box being mounted properly and udev created the proper /dev/md1 for the box being there. Problem though: How could one have gone into the superblocks and modify the /dev/md0 tag to change it to /dev/md1? I had to blow away the partitions and then do a total rebuild to do it, that is not a good way to manage the RAID boxes efficiently, but for me now both RAID boxes work. Regards Bill From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 17:37:31 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:37:31 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > That being said, let me take your points one by one: > > 1. Replace something that worked well for years. What was the > mechanism previously that let me verify that the updated kernel RPM on > Mirror X was a bit-identical copy of the one actually published by Red > Hat? I know how to verify ISO's but know of nothing that verifies a > package was not tampered with after being placed on a mirror. This is an old snapshot of Rawhide but serves well nonetheless: nils at gibraltar:/misc/scratch/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS> rpm -K rpmdb-fedora-1.91-0.20040325.i386.rpm bash-2.05b-38.i386.rpm rpmdb-fedora-1.91-0.20040325.i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK bash-2.05b-38.i386.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK See? I can verify that the bash package is signed with one of the keys I have in the keyring. Granted that I can't see (here) which key it was signed with and we have no way where I can say how much I want to trust a key in terms of RPM -- I admit that RPM's notion of keys and trust is a little black and white, but it's better than nothing. > 2. Puts a burden on people who know. Why? If a repo's metadata is > signed, isn't that just one more check up2date and yum can perform to Sometimes up2date or yum aren't available (maybe because you botched your python installation) or you have only the packages on a USB stick an you have no net or a very slow network connection (where you wouldn't want to download the entire metadata which is MBs only to verify a 16K package) or whatever. > improve authentication of a package? Isn't that automatic? And can't > someone also get it by hand if they choose? Besides, since you can > always get the package *without* checking the metadata if you so choose > with a simple "wget", what burden is put on these people? I meant that you can get the package but you can't check its integrity without using yum or up2date which isn't always feasible. Today I can check that an individual package originates from the Red Hat build system, I don't want to lose this ability. > 3. Doesn't stop people from doing things they shouldn't do. No > kidding... as I understood it, the idea of signing metadata had no > "control" purposes in mind whatsoever. It was merely intended to be a > way to know that the bits stored on server "A" were the same as those > issued by the RHI buildsystem. How is this relevant? Exactly this purpose is currently being fulfilled in 95% (some random number) of the packages by themselves being signed. Again my case is not contra repo metadata signing but pro individual package signing. > 4. Doesn't exist already. So what's your point? Tell me that it's a > bad idea and explain why. But "doesn't exist yet" is a bloody silly > argument. My point was that RPM package signing exists now and I haven't seen a convincing argument in this entire discussion why this would be a bad thing. Not even on Rawhide packages. So I have my gripes with replacing individually signed packages with something that isn't there yet but still doesn't offer me the functionality I want. Especially when we can have both. > Seems to the unwashed masses here that signing repo metadata provides > one benefit (knowing package A on server A is bit-identical to package A > on server B) and has no real cost other than the addition of a new > feature (which is even optional, since no one *has* to use it) to > package managers like yum and up2date. > > I see no downside. Since you do, can you provide more detail on what and > why? I see no downside in repo metadata signing either, it's a good thing actually. But it is not an argument on why packages shouldn't be signed individually. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 17:38:10 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:10 -0600 Subject: bugzilla quit working ???? Message-ID: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've entered two bugs and I'm trying to enter the 3rd. I'm using the wizard. I get everything filled out and then press "Open Bugzilla Entry Form". The resulting page comes up blank. The address on it is: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi All my fields are completed with what appears to be valid data. Did bugzilla quit or am I doing something wrong ? From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 17:42:18 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > That being said, let me take your points one by one: > > > > 1. Replace something that worked well for years. What was the > > mechanism previously that let me verify that the updated kernel RPM on > > Mirror X was a bit-identical copy of the one actually published by Red > > Hat? I know how to verify ISO's but know of nothing that verifies a > > package was not tampered with after being placed on a mirror. > > This is an old snapshot of Rawhide but serves well nonetheless: > > nils at gibraltar:/misc/scratch/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS> rpm -K rpmdb-fedora-1.91-0.20040325.i386.rpm bash-2.05b-38.i386.rpm > rpmdb-fedora-1.91-0.20040325.i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK > bash-2.05b-38.i386.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK > > See? I can verify that the bash package is signed with one of the keys I > have in the keyring. Granted that I can't see (here) which key it was > signed with Actually, you can, using 'rpm -Kv'. :-) -- Elliot From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 17:43:01 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:43:01 -0600 Subject: Sound still doesn't work in FC3rc3 In-Reply-To: <1099035104.4035.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099035104.4035.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099071781.26566.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> In spite of all the assurances that the sound problems I was experiencing in FC3T3 were because I UPGRADED from FC2 instead of installing fresh, I still have no sound in FC3RC3. I installed FC3rc3 fresh, partitioning the drive several times. (I'll discuss that later.) Same symptoms too: arts going nuts, system-config-soundcard hangs, etc. See my post from yesterday on the same subject. I think this issue needs some attention. I submitted a bugzilla report on it. From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Fri Oct 29 17:45:36 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:45:36 +0200 Subject: /lib/iptables/libipt_log.so: cannot open shared object file In-Reply-To: <1099067937.18087.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> References: <1099067937.18087.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Message-ID: <20041029194536.3ae66700.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:38:57 +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > Hi > > When adding > -A OUTPUT -j LOG > to /etc/syconfig/iptables I get > service iptables restart > Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] > Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: filter nat [ OK ] > Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] > Applying iptables firewall rules: iptables-restore v1.2.11: Couldn't > load target `log':/lib/iptables/libipt_log.so: cannot open shared object > file: No such file or directory > > Error occurred at line: 92 > Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more > information. > > Using FC3t2. The command line > iptables -A OUTPUT -j LOG > works. iptables-save gives > > > > *filter > :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] > :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > -A OUTPUT -j log > > COMMIT > > Putting just this in /etc/sysconfig/iptables gives the same error on > restart. When did you add "-j log" and not "-j LOG"? You found that "-j LOG" works, so don't use "-j log". -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 2.31 2.12 1.84 From goemon at anime.net Fri Oct 29 17:53:10 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <200410292350.39234.russell@coker.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Russell Coker wrote: > New features can't wait for everyone to use new file systems. Hans has > decided not to support XATTRs Wrong, reiserfs XATTRs were added in 2002. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=103765962910834&w=2 If you will check the config options for 2.6.8.1 youll see CONFIG_REISERFS_FS_XATTR ... > and as a consequence of that people who want to use SE Linux will make > much less use of ReiserFS. This also impacts the ability of Red Hat to > support ReiserFS. If selinux cant run on reiserfs, its not because its missing XATTRs, because theyre not missing. -Dan From vR at movingparts.net Fri Oct 29 17:58:16 2004 From: vR at movingparts.net (Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:58:16 -0400 Subject: Install "Askmethod" support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099072696.26475.6.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:48 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > I don't know if anyone shares this sentiment, but I consider installing > from burnt ISO CDROMs to be a slow process. > > I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. > I noticed that the USB devices were detected during the FC3 install boot > up, but that they didn't appear in the disk druid partition list, for > example. > > As it is right now, users have to download the ISOs, then burn disks, > then verify disks, then install from them. This is a slow process if > one is using a 4x CDRW disk in a slow CDROM drive. > > What I'd like to be able to do is download the ISOs to an external USB > drive and then use askmethod to tell anaconda that the ISOs are on the > USB drive. This would save the effort of burning the CDROMs and > performing a media check on each one. It would also install a lot > faster from the USB drive than from the CDROM. I think this, with > kickstart, would be a great way to install and/or upgrade a number of > non networked computers quickly. > > One could also put a bunch of things on the external drive, such as the > source RPMs, various rescue tools currently not on the FC boot disk, > etc. > > I found askmethod nfs to be a bit quirky. If it detects the network > card right off and the server has simple access, ie no gateways, etc, > then it works pretty well. Throw a stubborn network card into the mix > and a gateway or two and I'm less enthusiastic about it. > > BTW: I don't think my computer, a laptop, can boot directly from a USB > device. The BIOS doesn't give the user that option. I'd still have to > do the initial boot from a CDROM. > I concur!!! This would be wonderful!!! -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------// | Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper :: Numbers 6:22-26 ` | All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker | in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is | the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too. , | bash$ :(){ :|:&};: `----------------------// From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 18:04:18 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:04:18 -0400 Subject: Bad norwegian translation in OO 1.1.2 as updated in FC2 In-Reply-To: <1099066689.3958.29.camel@kyrre> References: <1099066689.3958.29.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099073058.12301.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> The FC2 and the FC3 OOo are the same source code, so its probably broken there too. Dan On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:18 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > I just noticed that there where a somewhat bad translation bug in the > norwegian translation of OpenOffice - as updated for FC2. When you > right-click a picture, some of the texts are in german! > > If somebody could please check if this is the case on FC3 as well and > get it fixed before release? > > It has a bugzilla: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137487 > > which even includes some proposed translations. Sorry if i did not have > time for checking them well enough, but i was racing against a rapidly > running out laptop battery... > > Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k > From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 18:05:30 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:05:30 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099073130.12301.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:02 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > What other drivers would you recommend ? > > Amitaha I think hostap is the other orinoco/prism driver, but its not in-kernel of course. I've been trying to get the in-kernel orinoco driver up-to- speed with what's upstream for orinoco CVS, but its slow going. Dan From sds at epoch.ncsc.mil Fri Oct 29 18:02:45 2004 From: sds at epoch.ncsc.mil (Stephen Smalley) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:02:45 -0400 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099072964.19703.195.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 13:53, Dan Hollis wrote: > Wrong, reiserfs XATTRs were added in 2002. > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=103765962910834&w=2 > > If you will check the config options for 2.6.8.1 youll see > CONFIG_REISERFS_FS_XATTR ... xattr support for reiserfs was only added to the mainline Linux kernel very recently, and only over the objections of Hans Reiser to any new features in reiserfs (version 3). Russell's statement is correct. See http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=108299878822391&w=2. reiserfs xattr support was maintained as a separate patch by SuSE for a long time, but that does not mean that Hans has ever supported them or that the mainline kernel supported them until very recently. > If selinux cant run on reiserfs, its not because its missing XATTRs, > because theyre not missing. While xattr support does now exist for reiserfs in the mainline kernel, there are problems in using it for SELinux; implementing the xattrs as regular files leads to deadlock when SELinux and reiserfs interact during xattr setup. Those problems have been reported to the reiserfs maintainers for some time, along with proposed patches to address the issues, but they have failed to act on them to date. -- Stephen Smalley National Security Agency From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Oct 29 18:06:17 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:06:17 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099073178.3424.5.camel@tuxpaq> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:37 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: [snip] > > I see no downside. Since you do, can you provide more detail on what and > > why? > > I see no downside in repo metadata signing either, it's a good thing > actually. But it is not an argument on why packages shouldn't be signed > individually. Um...did I miss something? I didn't see anyone suggest *replacing* package signing with repo metadata signing. It's just an added measure to help ensure that what is on the mirrors is what is on the official Red Hat repo. Granted, you still need yum or up2date to use that information, but it's still a net gain. In particular for when some packages don't get signed, which seems to be what this thread is about (today, anyhow ;-)). At least, I sure *hope* no one was suggesting foregoing package signing. Cuz that would be bad. :-) -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 18:11:35 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:11:35 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102909003ee2f448@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099064089.4019.149.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <604aa79104102909003ee2f448@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099073495.4019.195.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:00 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:34:48 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > - Signing a repository is not the same as signing individual packages. > > With the first you need to trust two "layers", i.e. you trust that the > > repo is from Red Hat because its metadata is signed with our key and you > > trust the package isn't compromised because its MD5 sum matches the one > > in the list. There is a reason why my trust in GPG keys is reduced the > > further a specific key is away from me, e.g. if I trust you because we > > both were at a key signing party and signed out respective keys, I will > > trust the keys you signed elsewhere less than yours because there is > > This is the problem right here.... rpm has no native concept of signed > keys... last i checked you cant rpm --import signed keys. You cant > look at rpm's current implementation of signing in the same way you Huh? I know no other way than looking at the source code of both, so I guess you've lost me / I misunderstood you. > look at gnupg. rpm can't import keys that are signed by other keys. RPM maybe can't check the trust of these keys, but it definitely can import signed keys (I just did it with my own which is signed by several people). > Its a very significant difference... rpm's keyring has no web of trust > metric that can be used in this way...as of now. This impacts the > perception of what 'trust' in signing means. If there was a trust > metric that rpm and rpm based tools could natively take advantage of, > in which a rawhide signing key could be endowed with far less "trust" > than the full release key, I wouldn't be making the arguments that I'm > making. But as it stands the lack of a trust metric for rpm beyond 'is > it signed by a key at all or not'... impacts the perception of trust. > And I don't want to elevate the perception of trust in the automated > rawhide key to that equal of a release key in this black and white, on > or off signing implementation that rpm currently has. Once rpm can > deal with signed keys, and rpm tools can generate and use a trust > metric natively from the rpm keyring... things are different, there > will be an inherent way to assign shades of grey and the tools can > inform the uninformed about where a key lives in the trust metric. I think that we don't really need shades of grey for these keys if we use them as just a measure for verifying the origin of a package -- this was the intent of signed packages in the first place. Because you either install a package or you don't, I would say that shades of grey and a certain "threshold" that packages have to "hop over" in order to be installed are actually not helpful -- I wouldn't want such a complicated, not easily deterministic (because not all variables can be known by the user) algorithm to automatically decide whether a package should be installed or not. IMO the "quality" of a package is another property of an RPM package that just isn't defined for today's packages (and for today's RPM). If we would want to introduce such a property I say it'd make sense to have this property separately signed with a GPG key, in the sense that today we more or less sign the "build host" and/or "vendor" property as in "I (the undersigned) certify that package originates at ". No question that contrary to the build host one should be able to change the quality level of a package afterwards (while requiring resigning of course). Maybe you could even make that cumulative, i.e. that we could have separate levels of quality each signed by one or more parties, this way users could define that they trust these or those parties more or less and in that case a trust metric a'la GnuPG that defines the effective quality level could be devised. Whether this quality level would be applied (and signed) on a package or repo level would need to be discussed, though I'm actually in favour of leaving this at a repo level because talking about quality when looking at an isolated package doesn't make much sense. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 18:08:53 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:08:53 +0200 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099073234.3958.147.camel@kyrre> the prism drivers? Dont know what they are called (wlan-ng, perhaps?) - i have an adm8211 card myself (SMC 2635W, 11 mbit. Cheapest card i could get...) fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 18.02 skrev Amitabha Roy: > What other drivers would you recommend ? > > Amitaha > > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:36:16 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak > wrote: > > As taken from the Kismet README: > > > > Q: My distro loads the orinoco drivers for my prism2 card, is this OK? > > A: No, not really. The orinoco and prism chipsets are based off the > > same reference design, but there are subtle differences, especially in > > the firmware timings. Using the orinoco drivers may work for a while, > > but you're likely going to have problems with lost frames, corrupt > > frames, and system hangs. Plus, if you ever have problems and mention > > you're using the orinoco drivers, I'll yell at you. > > > > Think you should get another driver :) > > > > ons, 27.10.2004 kl. 22.42 skrev Dan Williams: > > > We've seen machine freezing with kernels since -524 related to IPv6 > > > code. #rh135432#. You actually get panics on the console, but if > > > you're in X of course then you can't switch to the console to see the > > > panic. This might be related to your problem, and we've usually seen it > > > after picking an ESSID with "other network". > > > > > > The other problem is that the orinoco drivers don't support scanning, > > > unless you're using upstream drivers. So you're already hosed there, NM > > > attempts to compensate by scanning your approved list, but there's only > > > so much it can do with orinoco cards. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:18 -0400, Amitabha Roy wrote: > > > > Latest rawhide update gives hal and NetworkManager version numbers: > > > > NetworkManager-0.3.1-1 > > > > NetworkManager-gnome-0.3.1-1 > > > > hal-0.4.0-9 > > > > > > > > First run: made sure NetworkManager started on startup. Opened up gnome console > > > > and started NetworkManagerInfo. Applet came up in notification area. Chose > > > > "Other Wireless Network" and typed in essid of wireless network (it is > > > > non-essid-broadcasting network). This *completely* froze the machine > > > > and had to do a hard reboot. > > > > > > > > Before freezing, console message was "Forcing device > > > > /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/eth1" > > > > > > > > > > > > Second run: made sure NetworkManager was running. With utmost trepidation, > > > > opened up gnome console and typed in NetworkManagerInfo. Machine did not freeze > > > > this time, typed in ESSID of network as before. Voila! System-log > > > > shows connected. > > > > But also shows network connecting and disconnecting every second or so. > > > > Log attached below: > > > > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > > > > Oct 27 16:06:15 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > > > > Oct 27 16:06:22 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > > > > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Disconnected (0002) > > > > Oct 27 16:06:25 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: Connected (0001) > > > > Oct 27 16:06:28 localhost kernel: eth1: New link status: AP Changed (0003) > > > > > > > > As a result, network access is sporadic at best. > > > > > > > > > > > > output of /var/lib/pcmcia/stab is: > > > > > > > > Socket 0: Intersil PRISM2 11 Mbps Wireless Adapter > > > > 0 network orinoco_cs 0 eth1 > > > > Socket 1: empty > > > > > > > > Anyone else seen this ? > > > > > > > > Gone back to stopping NM and using ifup, iwconfig etc (and logging out of X > > > > once hostname is set due to xauth *sigh*). > > > > > > > > Amitabha > > > > > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 18:12:05 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:12:05 +0200 Subject: Bad norwegian translation in OO 1.1.2 as updated in FC2 In-Reply-To: <1099073058.12301.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <1099066689.3958.29.camel@kyrre> <1099073058.12301.3.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099073524.3958.156.camel@kyrre> My guess exactly. But can somebody confirm it (i don't have access to a rawhide/fc3 RC system atm.) - it is *REALLY* ugly, and should be an easyfix. The translations of the picture menu items i am very sure of, and i am an registered RH translater (who has forgot his SSH key password...) fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 20.04 skrev Dan Williams: > The FC2 and the FC3 OOo are the same source code, so its probably broken > there too. > > Dan > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:18 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > I just noticed that there where a somewhat bad translation bug in the > > norwegian translation of OpenOffice - as updated for FC2. When you > > right-click a picture, some of the texts are in german! > > > > If somebody could please check if this is the case on FC3 as well and > > get it fixed before release? > > > > It has a bugzilla: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137487 > > > > which even includes some proposed translations. Sorry if i did not have > > time for checking them well enough, but i was racing against a rapidly > > running out laptop battery... > > > > Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k > > From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 18:15:53 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:15:53 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099073178.3424.5.camel@tuxpaq> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099073178.3424.5.camel@tuxpaq> Message-ID: <1099073754.4019.199.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:06 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:37 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I see no downside. Since you do, can you provide more detail on what and > > > why? > > > > I see no downside in repo metadata signing either, it's a good thing > > actually. But it is not an argument on why packages shouldn't be signed > > individually. > > Um...did I miss something? I didn't see anyone suggest *replacing* > package signing with repo metadata signing. It's just an added measure > to help ensure that what is on the mirrors is what is on the official > Red Hat repo. Granted, you still need yum or up2date to use that > information, but it's still a net gain. In particular for when some > packages don't get signed, which seems to be what this thread is about > (today, anyhow ;-)). > At least, I sure *hope* no one was suggesting foregoing package > signing. Cuz that would be bad. :-) Umm yeah. Some people were proposing that Rawhide packages should not be signed at all. I myself think this is a bad idea and that all packages, regardless of their quality, should be signed. Hey even more so with bad packages I want to know who's responsible ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 18:16:34 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:16:34 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099073794.4019.201.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 13:42 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:06 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > > > > That being said, let me take your points one by one: > > > > > > 1. Replace something that worked well for years. What was the > > > mechanism previously that let me verify that the updated kernel RPM on > > > Mirror X was a bit-identical copy of the one actually published by Red > > > Hat? I know how to verify ISO's but know of nothing that verifies a > > > package was not tampered with after being placed on a mirror. > > > > This is an old snapshot of Rawhide but serves well nonetheless: > > > > nils at gibraltar:/misc/scratch/rawhide/i386/Fedora/RPMS> rpm -K rpmdb-fedora-1.91-0.20040325.i386.rpm bash-2.05b-38.i386.rpm > > rpmdb-fedora-1.91-0.20040325.i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK > > bash-2.05b-38.i386.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK > > > > See? I can verify that the bash package is signed with one of the keys I > > have in the keyring. Granted that I can't see (here) which key it was > > signed with > > Actually, you can, using 'rpm -Kv'. :-) Deep inside I knew you could ;-). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From nphilipp at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 18:19:08 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:19:08 +0200 Subject: bugzilla quit working ???? In-Reply-To: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:38 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > I've entered two bugs and I'm trying to enter the 3rd. I'm using the > wizard. I get everything filled out and then press "Open Bugzilla Entry > Form". The resulting page comes up blank. The address on it is: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi > > All my fields are completed with what appears to be valid data. > > Did bugzilla quit or am I doing something wrong ? I honestly don't know because I always use the old/non Javascript version when I open bugs. But Dave is anyway working on a new Bugzilla version, so this might all change when this is ready. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 29 18:25:46 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install 'Askmethod' support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2060.12.29.16.103.1099074346.squirrel@whooper.org> Kim Lux said: > I don't know if anyone shares this sentiment, but I consider installing > from burnt ISO CDROMs to be a slow process. > > I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. > I noticed that the USB devices were detected during the FC3 install boot > up, but that they didn't appear in the disk druid partition list, for > example. Hard drive installs from ISO images are already supported. I would guess the part that is missing is mounting the external drive. Some bugzilla searching turns up: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118027 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117650 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105720 It looks like using passing "expert" to the installer might get you there. -- William Hooper From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 18:25:52 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:25:52 -0600 Subject: bugzilla quit working ???? In-Reply-To: <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Do you have a link to the old one ? On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 20:19 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:38 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > > I've entered two bugs and I'm trying to enter the 3rd. I'm using the > > wizard. I get everything filled out and then press "Open Bugzilla Entry > > Form". The resulting page comes up blank. The address on it is: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi > > > > All my fields are completed with what appears to be valid data. > > > > Did bugzilla quit or am I doing something wrong ? > > I honestly don't know because I always use the old/non Javascript > version when I open bugs. But Dave is anyway working on a new Bugzilla > version, so this might all change when this is ready. > > Nils > -- > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 > PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 > From goemon at anime.net Fri Oct 29 18:26:17 2004 From: goemon at anime.net (Dan Hollis) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: <1099072964.19703.195.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Stephen Smalley wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 13:53, Dan Hollis wrote: > > If selinux cant run on reiserfs, its not because its missing XATTRs, > > because theyre not missing. > While xattr support does now exist for reiserfs in the mainline kernel, > there are problems in using it for SELinux; implementing the xattrs as > regular files leads to deadlock when SELinux and reiserfs interact > during xattr setup. Those problems have been reported to the reiserfs > maintainers for some time, along with proposed patches to address the > issues, but they have failed to act on them to date. Presumably you reported the problems to chris and jeff who actually wrote the patch, and not hans who objected to the patch? -Dan From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Oct 29 18:26:27 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:26:27 -0400 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099073754.4019.199.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099073178.3424.5.camel@tuxpaq> <1099073754.4019.199.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099074387.3424.15.camel@tuxpaq> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 20:15 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: [snip] > Umm yeah. Some people were proposing that Rawhide packages should not be > signed at all. I myself think this is a bad idea and that all packages, > regardless of their quality, should be signed. Hey even more so with bad > packages I want to know who's responsible ;-). Umm, yeah, then. I see your gripe. And I share it. I do NOT, however think that an automated signing procedure (password-less, or key stored in an agent or an expect script) is a good idea, regardless of whether or not Red Hat is doing that at the moment. I'd rather have the majority of rawhide packages signed (as they are today) and the few non- signed ones (the several hundred after FC3T1 or FC3T2 being the exception, not the rule) verifiable via a signed list of md5sums. One thing isn't clear to me, though. I thought the reason that not every package was signed in rawhide was because the person(s) with key signing authority was not available at the time the package was pushed to rawhide. If this is the case, that implies that the rawhide key is not, in fact, password-less and the key is not stored in an agent, nor is the password embedded in some expect script. It requires manually typing the password. So if that's the case, what do I make of Matias F?liciano's post where he referenced a page on Red Hat's site (sorry, I don't have the reference handy) that indicated that the rawhide key *was* in fact password-less? -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 18:33:53 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:33:53 -0600 Subject: Install 'Askmethod' support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <2060.12.29.16.103.1099074346.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2060.12.29.16.103.1099074346.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1099074833.27233.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> How are installs from hard drive ISO supported ? I've never heard or seen anything on this. Could the hard drive be a FAT32 drive, in a pinch ? Where is the "expert" script explained ? Thanks for the links ! Kim On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:25 -0400, William Hooper wrote: > Hard drive installs from ISO images are already supported. I would guess > the part that is missing is mounting the external drive. > > Some bugzilla searching turns up: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=118027 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117650 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105720 > > It looks like using passing "expert" to the installer might get you there. > > -- > William Hooper > From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 29 18:34:58 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:34:58 +0200 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <200410291241.05425.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> <1099059790.3651.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099066230.3530.2.camel@littlePiet> <200410291241.05425.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099074898.4276.10.camel@littlePiet> Am Fr, den 29.10.2004 schrieb Gene Heskett um 18:41: > Two questions: > Did I miss the rc3 announcement? Maybe. If you follow the link inside the announcement of rc2 at duke.edu you are automatically routed to rc3. I discovered it just by chance, when I wanted to continue the download of the forth CD :-) > Did you check the md5sums of the downloads with I did and everything is OK. I could burn the first two CDs without any problem. I will try Nils Philipp's tip later in the evening. Peter From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Fri Oct 29 18:36:14 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:36:14 +0200 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099062847.4019.131.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> <1099062847.4019.131.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099074974.4276.13.camel@littlePiet> Am Fr, den 29.10.2004 schrieb Nils Philippsen um 17:14: > I heard you need to use padding (cdrecord option "-pad"). Thanks for the info. I'll try it later in the evening. Curiously I could burn CD 1 & 2 without any problems. Thanks Peter From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 29 18:45:45 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:45:45 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:37 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > I see no downside in repo metadata signing either, it's a good thing > actually. But it is not an argument on why packages shouldn't be signed > individually. > Sigh... backing up a few steps for historical clarification: Mat?as argued that, because *some* Rawhide packages are not signed, one does not have for those packages *any* ability to see that what is on a mirror is in fact exactly what came out of the Red Hat buildsystem. He argued pro signing of all Rawhide packages. Others argued that this has either no value or negative value. A debate ensued as to whether passwordless keys would be better than nothing or worse than nothing. Someone suggested that, for those Rawhide packages which were not signed, one possible way to get that benefit of knowing that package XYZ on Server A is bit-identical to the one on the main Rawhide server was to sign the repo metadata. It was suggested that this would provide an additional benefit to the rest of the world, at no real downside. I really liked the idea and said basically that if this has good benefit and no real downside, then how do we get it done? You came on scene and started arguing that it was a Bad Thing which would destroy the world as we know it. ;-) We now realize that you are not "contra repo signing" but rather "pro package signing". So welcome to the club. I am also pro package signing, but some Rawhide packages are not signed and at least repo signing helps provide some benefit, and I like that benefit. Mat?as is vehemently pro signing *every* package, and some people have responded that they either don't want to sign all Rawhide packages, or perhaps even don't want to sign any Rawhide packages. I'll leave exact interpretations to you when you read through the archived thread. Now... the whole point of this thread is now to: 1. Argue that all packages should be signed, even all Rawhide. There appear to be strong feelings either way. 2. In context, it also appeared that repo signing could also be implemented as an *additional* measure that would provide some good benefits. I have not seen any arguments against that other than yours. What do you think of those two thoughts? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 29 18:50:05 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:50:05 -0600 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <1099073130.12301.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> <1099073130.12301.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099075805.3370.25.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:05 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > I think hostap is the other orinoco/prism driver, but its not in-kernel > of course. I've been trying to get the in-kernel orinoco driver up-to- > speed with what's upstream for orinoco CVS, but its slow going. > There is a prism54 driver which has been third-party so far but will be integrated in FC3. Maybe there is also a driver for 801.11b networks. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 29 18:52:53 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Install 'Askmethod' support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <1099074833.27233.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2060.12.29.16.103.1099074346.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099074833.27233.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4294.12.29.16.103.1099075973.squirrel@whooper.org> Kim Lux said: > How are installs from hard drive ISO supported ? I've never heard or > seen anything on this. They have been supported for a while (Warning, the link will probably wrap). http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begininstall-hd.html > Could the hard drive be a FAT32 drive, in a pinch ? It looks that way. > Where is the "expert" script explained ? Pass "expert" as an option to the installer on the boot prompt. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/ch-bootopts.html -- William Hooper From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 18:59:58 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:59:58 +0200 Subject: bugzilla quit working ???? In-Reply-To: <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> Just click "expert" or something when presented to the wizard (its on the top of the page). You will be prompted for your mail/password, and then it is just typi'n away... Happy hunting :) fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 20.25 skrev Kim Lux: > Do you have a link to the old one ? > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 20:19 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:38 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I've entered two bugs and I'm trying to enter the 3rd. I'm using the > > > wizard. I get everything filled out and then press "Open Bugzilla Entry > > > Form". The resulting page comes up blank. The address on it is: > > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi > > > > > > All my fields are completed with what appears to be valid data. > > > > > > Did bugzilla quit or am I doing something wrong ? > > > > I honestly don't know because I always use the old/non Javascript > > version when I open bugs. But Dave is anyway working on a new Bugzilla > > version, so this might all change when this is ready. > > > > Nils > > -- > > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 > > PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 > > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 19:06:24 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:06:24 -0600 Subject: Yum and up2date repositories for FC3rc3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099076784.27233.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Are there special repositories for rc3 or do we use the rawhide repositories ? How many people are testing rc3 ? From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 19:09:20 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:09:20 -0600 Subject: Install 'Askmethod' support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <4294.12.29.16.103.1099075973.squirrel@whooper.org> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2060.12.29.16.103.1099074346.squirrel@whooper.org> <1099074833.27233.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4294.12.29.16.103.1099075973.squirrel@whooper.org> Message-ID: <1099076960.27233.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> I wish I'd known this yesterday. I forgot to burn my CDRWs as images and ended up with an ISO file on each CDRW and had to do it again. I was going to try to make them (the ISOs on the cdrws) work, but I didn't want to get half way through an install and find there was a glitch. I can hardly wait to do my next Linux installation ! I'll be using the USB hard drive method. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:52 -0400, William Hooper wrote: > Kim Lux said: > > How are installs from hard drive ISO supported ? I've never heard or > > seen anything on this. > > They have been supported for a while (Warning, the link will probably wrap). > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/s1-begininstall-hd.html > > > Could the hard drive be a FAT32 drive, in a pinch ? > > It looks that way. > > > Where is the "expert" script explained ? > > Pass "expert" as an option to the installer on the boot prompt. > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/install-guide/ch-bootopts.html > > -- > William Hooper > From dcbw at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 19:09:35 2004 From: dcbw at redhat.com (Dan Williams) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:09:35 -0400 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <1099075805.3370.25.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> <1099073130.12301.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099075805.3370.25.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099076975.12900.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:50 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > There is a prism54 driver which has been third-party so far but will be > integrated in FC3. Maybe there is also a driver for 801.11b networks. Yes, prism54 drivers are actually quite good at the moment. I've got a Netgear WG511 (not 511T) which works great. It does need firmware though, but look for "prism54-firmware" packages on google and you'll find some mandrake RPMs for them (you may have to move the firmware files from /usr/lib to /lib after install). Dan From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 19:18:30 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:18:30 -0600 Subject: bugzilla quit working ???? In-Reply-To: <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099077510.27233.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> It just happened again. I'm using FC3rc3, Konqueror and I'm logged into bugzilla. I complete the whole form, press the button and it gives me a blank page. I hate bugzilla. This one is much much better than the old one where I used to have to log in about 4x to complete one bug report. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 20:19 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:38 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > > I've entered two bugs and I'm trying to enter the 3rd. I'm using the > > wizard. I get everything filled out and then press "Open Bugzilla Entry > > Form". The resulting page comes up blank. The address on it is: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/easy_enter_bug.cgi > > > > All my fields are completed with what appears to be valid data. > > > > Did bugzilla quit or am I doing something wrong ? > > I honestly don't know because I always use the old/non Javascript > version when I open bugs. But Dave is anyway working on a new Bugzilla > version, so this might all change when this is ready. > > Nils > -- > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 > PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 19:16:23 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:16:23 +0200 Subject: Yum and up2date repositories for FC3rc3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099076784.27233.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> <1099076784.27233.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099077383.3958.231.camel@kyrre> fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Kim Lux: > Are there special repositories for rc3 or do we use the rawhide > repositories ? > > How many people are testing rc3 ? DONT TOP POST!!! PLEASE create a new thread (hit "new", not reply). This is *really* annoying for people who use threaded mail viewers (such as Evolution (control+T), the archive or about every mailer around...) - they like to see things like the main post, and then the replies like branches from this post. When you top post, your post look like one of those branches. This also has a negative effect to you, because if you dont care about bugzilla, frankly you dont care if somebody replies that it broken. You just check read, read, read... until they not longer are glowing bold anymore. Get it? DONT TOP POST!!! Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k threading and vFolders... *evolution!* From kyrre at solution-forge.net Fri Oct 29 19:17:40 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:17:40 +0200 Subject: Latest rawhide hal/NetworkManager combo freezes machine or does not work at all In-Reply-To: <1099076975.12900.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> References: <77e74f3e041027131865f28399@mail.gmail.com> <1098909723.16373.2.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099064176.3958.12.camel@kyrre> <77e74f3e0410290902304c7f2a@mail.gmail.com> <1099073130.12301.6.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099075805.3370.25.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099076975.12900.1.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099077460.3958.235.camel@kyrre> fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 21.09 skrev Dan Williams: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:50 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > There is a prism54 driver which has been third-party so far but will be > > integrated in FC3. Maybe there is also a driver for 801.11b networks. > > Yes, prism54 drivers are actually quite good at the moment. I've got a > Netgear WG511 (not 511T) which works great. It does need firmware > though, but look for "prism54-firmware" packages on google and you'll > find some mandrake RPMs for them (you may have to move the firmware > files from /usr/lib to /lib after install). Urk? Install by rpm and then move it? It must then be better to just grab the files from the rpm with file-roller... From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 19:59:23 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:59:23 -0600 Subject: Yum and up2date repositories for FC3rc3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099077383.3958.231.camel@kyrre> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> <1099076784.27233.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099077383.3958.231.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099079963.27233.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Oops... I thought I had started a new subject. Sorry. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 21:16 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Kim Lux: > > Are there special repositories for rc3 or do we use the rawhide > > repositories ? > > > > How many people are testing rc3 ? > > DONT TOP POST!!! PLEASE create a new thread (hit "new", not reply). This > is *really* annoying for people who use threaded mail viewers (such as > Evolution (control+T), the archive or about every mailer around...) - > they like to see things like the main post, and then the replies like > branches from this post. When you top post, your post look like one of > those branches. > > This also has a negative effect to you, because if you dont care about > bugzilla, frankly you dont care if somebody replies that it broken. You > just check read, read, read... until they not longer are glowing bold > anymore. > > Get it? > > DONT TOP POST!!! > > > Kyrre Ness Sj?b?k > threading and vFolders... *evolution!* > From tjb at unh.edu Fri Oct 29 20:10:27 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:10:27 -0400 Subject: help: rpmbuild of galeon for x86_64 bombs out complaining about libpopt Message-ID: <1099080627.20266.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> I'm trying to build galeon for x86_64 and it bombs out complaining about libpopt: ... mkdir .libs g++ -fno-rtti -O2 -g -pipe -m64 -fshort-wchar -Wall -Wsign-compare -Wno- ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wno-deprecated -o galeon galeon-nautilus-view.o statusbar.o galeon-main.o galeon-automation.o galeon-language-editor.o galeon-prefs-dialog.o galeon-shell.o galeon- tab.o galeon-window.o galeon-window-bookmark-activated-proxy.o galeon- favicon-cache.o galeon-favicon.o galeon-embed-favicon.o window- commands.o popup-commands.o history-dialog.o galeon-spinner.o ppview- toolbar.o session.o page-info-dialog.o pdm-dialog.o galeon-bookmarks- icon-provider.o window-recent-history.o galeon-embed-autoscroller.o galeon-embed-manual-scroller.o galeon-css-menu.o galeon-window-menu.o galeon-encoding-menu.o galeon-encoding-dialog.o galeon-recent-history- menu.o galeon-tab-menu.o galeon-popup.o galeon-action.o galeon-action- navigation.o galeon-action-location.o galeon-action-home.o galeon- action-new.o galeon-action-refresh.o galeon-action-stop.o galeon-action- go.o galeon-action-zoom.o galeon-action-spinner.o galeon-action- favicon.o galeon-favicon-action.o migrate.o gcc2abi.o GaleonAutomation- common.o GaleonAutomation-stubs.o GaleonAutomation-skels.o -Wl,--export- dynamic ../embed/.libs/libembed.a ../mozilla/.libs/libmozillaembed.a - L/usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.3 -L/usr/lib -lgtkembedmoz -lxpcom -lplds4 - lplc4 - lnspr4 ../bookmarks/.libs/libbookmarks.a ../utils/.libs/libutils.a ../libegg/.libs/libegg.a ../libegg/dock/.libs/libegg-dock.a -pthread -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -lnautilus -leel-2 -lgnomeui-2 -lSM -lICE /usr/lib64/libgailutil.so -lglade-2.0 -lbonoboui-2 /usr/lib64/libxml2.so -lpthread -lz -lgnomecanvas-2 -lgnome-2 /usr/lib/libpopt.so -lart_lgpl_2 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lbonobo-2 -lgconf-2 -lgnomevfs-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2 -lm -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgthread-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64 -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64 -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.3 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libplds4.so when searching for -lplds4 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libplc4.so when searching for -lplc4/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libnspr4.so when searching for -lnspr4 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libpthread.so when searching for -lpthread /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libpthread.a when searching for -lpthread /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libz.so when searching for - lz /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libz.a when searching for - lz /usr/lib/libpopt.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [galeon] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/net/home/rcc/tjb/rpm/BUILD/galeon-1.3.18/src' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/net/home/rcc/tjb/rpm/BUILD/galeon-1.3.18/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/home/rcc/tjb/rpm/BUILD/galeon-1.3.18' make: *** [all] Error 2 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.48599 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.48599 (%build) sh-3.00$ I found one reference that said I should set LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/lib64 but that didn't help. Any ideas? Thanks, tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 29 20:13:32 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:13:32 -0400 Subject: help: rpmbuild of galeon for x86_64 bombs out complaining about libpopt In-Reply-To: <1099080627.20266.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> References: <1099080627.20266.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: <1099080812.29855.11.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:10, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > I'm trying to build galeon for x86_64 and it bombs out complaining about > libpopt: > > ... do you have zlib and zlib-devel for x86_64 installed? yum install zlib*.x86_64 see if that helps -sv From tjb at unh.edu Fri Oct 29 20:35:57 2004 From: tjb at unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:35:57 -0400 Subject: help: rpmbuild of galeon for x86_64 bombs out complaining about libpopt In-Reply-To: <1099080812.29855.11.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1099080627.20266.14.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> <1099080812.29855.11.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1099082157.20266.16.camel@wintermute.sr.unh.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:13 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:10, Thomas J. Baker wrote: > > I'm trying to build galeon for x86_64 and it bombs out complaining about > > libpopt: > > > > ... > > do you have zlib and zlib-devel for x86_64 installed? > > yum install zlib*.x86_64 > > see if that helps > > -sv I've got them both installed already. It complains about /usr/lib/libpopt.so being in the wrong format when it should (in theory) be getting it from /usr/lib64/libpopt.so... tjb -- ======================================================================= | Thomas Baker email: tjb at unh.edu | | Systems Programmer | | Research Computing Center voice: (603) 862-4490 | | University of New Hampshire fax: (603) 862-1761 | | 332 Morse Hall | | Durham, NH 03824 USA http://wintermute.sr.unh.edu/~tjb | ======================================================================= From canfield at uindy.edu Fri Oct 29 20:37:07 2004 From: canfield at uindy.edu (D Canfield) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:37:07 -0500 Subject: Which RC set is current? Message-ID: <4182A9F3.4000208@uindy.edu> I'm a bit confused about the RC's and the trees and the mirrors... If I go to testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/iso the iso's are dated Oct-28 and have a set of MD5SUMs that do not match those at fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/i386/iso which are dated Oct-29. So, I'm not sure which is more current as it seems strange that duke's ISO's have a fresher date stamp than redhat. If it's going to be standard practice in the future to release multiple sets of ISO's with the same names/versions, could somebody please include a date in the MD5SUM file? That would be a trivial way of letting us know which exact version we are getting. Thanks. DC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 15:37 -0500, D Canfield wrote: > I'm a bit confused about the RC's and the trees and the mirrors... > > If I go to testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/i386/iso the iso's are dated > Oct-28 and have a set of MD5SUMs that do not match those at > fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/i386/iso which are dated Oct-29. So, I'm > not sure which is more current as it seems strange that duke's ISO's > have a fresher date stamp than redhat. > > If it's going to be standard practice in the future to release multiple > sets of ISO's with the same names/versions, could somebody please > include a date in the MD5SUM file? That would be a trivial way of > letting us know which exact version we are getting. > > Thanks. > > DC > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From petr.fischer at praguesoft.cz Fri Oct 29 20:42:48 2004 From: petr.fischer at praguesoft.cz (Petr Fischer) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:42:48 +0200 Subject: fc3test upgrade to fc3 final Message-ID: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> Hi, can I upgrade from Fedora Core 3 Test 3 to Fedora Core 3 Final _without_ _problems_ in future with Yum? I can't wait for FC3 final release and FC2 kernel has some problems with my ASUS board. Thanks, pf From dmalcolm at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 20:45:31 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:45:31 -0400 Subject: latest evolution, searching still seriously borked In-Reply-To: <1098923716.4194.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098923716.4194.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099082732.5181.88.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 02:35 +0200, Tino Meinen wrote: > Unfortunately the latest evolution package doesn't resolve the problems > with searching: (search results don't show, and sometimes garbles up the > message) > ( http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134584 ) > > I filed a bug with evolution's bugzilla > (http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=68463 ) > but apparently this problem only occurs on fedora's version of > evolution. People using other distributions don't see this problem. > According to Jeff Stedfast, it might be related to a borked gtkhtml > package. > > Anyone care to help me track down this problem? Thanks for reporting this; I'm seeing something similar. I think it's a gtkhtml3 bug, and I've added some notes to your bugzilla report (let's cover it there) > > Tino Meinen > From sopwith at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 20:47:15 2004 From: sopwith at redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: fc3test upgrade to fc3 final In-Reply-To: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> References: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Petr Fischer wrote: > can I upgrade from Fedora Core 3 Test 3 to Fedora Core 3 Final _without_ > _problems_ in future with Yum? > > I can't wait for FC3 final release and FC2 kernel has some problems with > my ASUS board. (a) Test releases are meant for testing only (which means you can't count on them to remain useful when final releases come around) (b) upgrading via yum is not supported. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. With those caveats in mind, an upgrade via anaconda *probably* will work (it did for me). -- Elliot From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 20:56:41 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:56:41 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 12:45 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > Mat?as is vehemently pro signing > *every* package Yes. But I never said that a signed repository is a bad solution :-) Signing repository has its benefit. Signing every packages has its benefit. But I don't think it's easer to sign a repository than all the packages. For signing a repository, one command line would be used (I suppose) : - gpg --sign ... OR createrepo --addsign For signing all packages, one command line would be used : - rpm --addsign If Red Hat can use one of these methods, they can easily do both (It's seems). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From awd at DDG.com Fri Oct 29 21:01:45 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:01:45 -0500 Subject: fc3test upgrade to fc3 final In-Reply-To: References: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> Message-ID: On Oct 29, 2004, at 15:47, Elliot Lee wrote: > (a) Test releases are meant for testing only (which means you can't > count > on them to remain useful when final releases come around) > (b) upgrading via yum is not supported. Sometimes it works, sometimes > it > doesn't. And what should be my expectation for rc releases? (I am planning on moving a test machine from FC2 to FC3rc3.) Since this is a release candidate, presumably yum will upgrade any changing components between rc3 and final? > With those caveats in mind, an upgrade via anaconda *probably* will > work > (it did for me). There is always that... Thanks, Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. 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When testing FC3rc5, things that could use extra-special attention are upgrades and the kernel. Please make sure to file any showstopper bugs (data loss or corruption, major install/upgrade failures) in bugzilla and bring the bug #'s to our attention. In respond to all the queries about "why are the .iso timestamps changing", it's because I'm putting the latest RC in the same location as the older ones, so the files do change. Thanks y'all! -- Elliot From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 21:07:09 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:07:09 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> How does this compare with the files that were in FC3-rc/3/ yesterday ? They were dated October 28th. Is there a changelog ? What repositories would one use to get to what you are posting today ? How do we refer to these versions when posting in Bugzilla ? BTW: I posted 5 bugs today from the Oct 28th "rc3" Some appear to be being worked on as I write this. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:03 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > For your weekend enjoyment, please try: > > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/ > ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/ > rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/ > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ (still syncing, should be ready by 8pm EDT Oct 29.) > > This is likely to be the last FC3 release candidate, so please give it all > the loving attention you possibly can. It does have fixes for some of the > more serious issues reported here - your efforts are having results. When > testing FC3rc5, things that could use extra-special attention are upgrades > and the kernel. Please make sure to file any showstopper bugs (data loss > or corruption, major install/upgrade failures) in bugzilla and bring the > bug #'s to our attention. > > In respond to all the queries about "why are the .iso timestamps > changing", it's because I'm putting the latest RC in the same location as > the older ones, so the files do change. > > Thanks y'all! > -- Elliot > From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 29 21:10:14 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:10:14 -0400 Subject: fedora.linux.duke.edu downtime Message-ID: <1099084213.29855.59.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Hi Folks, The physics department at duke university is victim of another power outage. We will be shutting down fedora.linux.duke.edu (also fedoraproject.org) for about 3 hours today starting at 6pm EDT -4UTC Thanks -sv From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 21:19:23 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:19:23 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here are the bugs I posted today: 137579 No sound/artsd goes wild in fresh FC3rc3 137582 kfind hangs on search in FC3t3 and FC3rc3 137610 Kdevelop crashes in FC3rc3. Looks like glibc related. 137617 kwireless reports no network when session is resumed or n... 137619 files lose file assocations in FC3T3 and TC3rc3. 137620 Ark chokes on large tar files. 137625 K3b jumps ahead while burning DVD+RW with 2 files. FC3T3... All of these problems were present in FC3T3 except the kwireless issue. That is new. Here is something funny: everyone says not to use the test releases a real work machines, but it is only when these releases are used for real work that that one finds the issue. I'm a bit choked about something: I posted issues to the list for a day and repeatedly was told that the problem was because I UPGRADED from a stable FC2 to FC3T3. I was assured that if I did a fresh install all my problems would disappear. In fact, none of them did. Now today I've heard from several people that they want to hear responses from people who are specifically UPGRADING. I'll bet that 50% of the FC3 installs are going to be UPGRADES, probably half of them from FC2. I do not think it was smart for the board to write off my issues as being "upgrade related" and "solved". They should have been given attention when they existed as a upgraded installation. One more thing: I had an installation glitch with FC3rc3 last night. I'll report it as a bug when I get the info from it later tonight. (I sent an email from my neighbors machines outlining it and he will email it to me when he gets home.) Basically, I got an out of disk space error when there was lots of disk space. This was on a fresh install. From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 29 21:38:42 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:38:42 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410291738.42813.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 29 October 2004 17:03, Elliot Lee wrote: >http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ Humm, unknown host from here... -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 21:44:12 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:44:12 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa791041029144414d305d1@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:19:23 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > I'm a bit choked about something: I posted issues to the list for a day > and repeatedly was told that the problem was because I UPGRADED from a > stable FC2 to FC3T3. Step back a second... take a deep breath. Please realise that this is an open community forum. The ability to speak and to give suggestions as to resolutions and workarounds is not dependant on how knowledge the person giving the suggestions is. Nor can it be assumed that anyone making suggestions as to workarounds and resolutions on the list, speaks for the maintainer or developer of the affected package or for fedora leadership. As valuable as community input on problems can be, the same community can be exceedingly unvaluable as well. Real fixes concerning upgrade issues come from developers and maintainers via bug reports and interacting with the package maintainers and developers via bugzilla. Take the comments in this list with a grain of salt, and focus more on the comments from developers in bugzilla about your upgrade and install bugs. I will point you to the fedora core list of objectives, for reassurance that smooth upgrades from core release to core release is considered important as a matter of fedora core policy. While I personally avoid doing upgrades and I personally prefer fresh installs, you shouldn't take my personal preference nor any other community member's personal preference as a statement of upgrade policy by fedora core. It's important to be able to seperate random community input from project policy. -jef From gene.heskett at verizon.net Fri Oct 29 21:45:41 2004 From: gene.heskett at verizon.net (Gene Heskett) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:45:41 -0400 Subject: fedora.linux.duke.edu downtime In-Reply-To: <1099084213.29855.59.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1099084213.29855.59.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <200410291745.41848.gene.heskett@verizon.net> On Friday 29 October 2004 17:10, seth vidal wrote: >Hi Folks, > The physics department at duke university is victim of another > power outage. We will be shutting down fedora.linux.duke.edu (also > fedoraproject.org) for about 3 hours today starting at 6pm EDT > -4UTC > >Thanks >-sv Gee, and just as I was about to fire off another wget session. I take it you've been having too much fun there Seth? They must have started 20 minutes early with the shutdown. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.28% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attorneys please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. From dmalcolm at redhat.com Fri Oct 29 21:51:48 2004 From: dmalcolm at redhat.com (David Malcolm) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:51:48 -0400 Subject: Slow response from Fedora In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090410171013522b3505@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090410171013522b3505@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099086708.5181.94.camel@cassandra.boston.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 11:13 -0600, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:59:26 +0100, Eamonn Sullivan > wrote: > > I've only upgraded to FC3 test3 (from FC3 test2) yesterday, but I'm > > fully caught up with up2date. I'm noticing a problem with nautilus > > that may or may not be new. (I normally use the shell prompt to > > delete, move and copy files.) Nautilus, and File Browser, take a > > minute or more to respond to deletes. > > > > * Open your home directory > > * click on a file > > * press the delete key > > * Nautilus and file browser are unresponsive for a minute or more. > > > > My slowness is in evolution to display even simple html pages. Takes 2 > minutes.. thunderbird puts it up immediately. [Not trying to promote > thunderbird as much as figure out if somehting is wrong with > evolution.] Are you still seeing this slowness in Evolution? Is it in Bugzilla? It's not hogging ludicrous amounts of memory, perhaps? > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > Professional System Administrator > From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 22:02:31 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:02:31 -0400 Subject: fc3test upgrade to fc3 final In-Reply-To: References: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> Message-ID: <604aa79104102915028d1cf0b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:01:45 -0500, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > And what should be my expectation for rc releases? (I am planning on > moving a test machine from FC2 to FC3rc3.) Since this is a release > candidate, presumably yum will upgrade any changing components between > rc3 and final? presumably? there could be a last minute package downgrade between rc and final could interfere with upgrading from an rc in this manner. -jef From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 22:05:02 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:05:02 +0200 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 15:19 -0600, Kim Lux a ?crit : > I'm a bit choked about something: I posted issues to the list for a day > and repeatedly was told that the problem was because I UPGRADED from a > stable FC2 to FC3T3. I was assured that if I did a fresh install all my > problems would disappear. In fact, none of them did. Now today I've > heard from several people that they want to hear responses from people > who are specifically UPGRADING. I'll bet that 50% of the FC3 installs > are going to be UPGRADES, probably half of them from FC2. I do not > think it was smart for the board to write off my issues as being > "upgrade related" and "solved". They should have been given attention > when they existed as a upgraded installation. My "opinion". Today, Fedora does not support : - FC(x) => FC(x+1)T(y) and FC(x)T(y) => FC(x) . I think Fedora should support (this mean fedora should no reply with "do a fresh install please" for a bug) if 'y' (test) is equal to 3. Or more realistically : - FCx => FC(x+1)RC(y) and FC(x)RC(y) => FC(x) should be supported. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The ability to > speak and to give suggestions as to resolutions and workarounds is not > dependant on how knowledge the person giving the suggestions is. Nor > can it be assumed that anyone making suggestions as to workarounds and > resolutions on the list, speaks for the maintainer or developer of the > affected package or for fedora leadership. Agreed and understood. > As valuable as community > input on problems can be, the same community can be exceedingly > unvaluable as well. Real fixes concerning upgrade issues come from > developers and maintainers via bug reports and interacting with the > package maintainers and developers via bugzilla. Take the comments in > this list with a grain of salt, and focus more on the comments from > developers in bugzilla about your upgrade and install bugs. I learned that today. Yesterday and today were my first days on the list. First of all, I enjoyed myself. I used to be involved in large Windows development efforts and this kind of reminded me of that. Secondly, I kind of thought, rightly or wrongly, mostly wrongly, that speaking to the group was like speaking to the developers. It kind of is, but on an issue like the sound problem or missing open office file associations, it isn't. I should have been reporting those to bugzilla. > I will point you to the fedora core list of objectives, for > reassurance that smooth upgrades from core release to core release is > considered important as a matter of fedora core policy. While I > personally avoid doing upgrades and I personally prefer fresh > installs, you shouldn't take my personal preference nor any other > community member's personal preference as a statement of upgrade > policy by fedora core. It's important to be able to seperate random > community input from project policy. I too prefer fresh installs and now that I've got USB drives working so well (which allow me to easily back up /home) I probably will do more fresh installs. However, when one has a computer loaded with data and configs from several years, one is reluctant to abandon all that with a fresh install. That is the situation with one of our server computers. I also agree that good upgrades should be the goal. Here is the rub: several times over the last few days people have come on to the site and asked if they could update from FC2 to FC3T3 and then to FC3 Final without "repercussions". Nobody has come out and said "yes". I question why nobody is saying yes ? Are we not sure that our upgrade process replaces everything ? Are we not sure how it handles already installed config files ? Shouldn't an upgrade be an upgrade no matter where it starts from ? I guess my whole thing is that I think the developers and the group should take an issue seriously, whether it comes from a fresh install or from an upgrade. Anyway: a) I enjoyed myself here today (I won't be a regular participant here, btw.) I'm only here until kdevelop works... b) I hope I've contributed. c) I think FC3 is going to be an awesome product. There are many good things that I found while using it over the last week. d) I think the open source software effort is in great hands. > > -jef > From bednar007 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 22:20:18 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:20:18 +0200 Subject: Laptop suspend apm -s not working Message-ID: <38f00b2a04102915202e299348@mail.gmail.com> Hi, just tried to suspend or hibarnate system with /usr/bin/apm -s but this not work. The system told: No APM support in kernel I have newest 2.6.9-1.643 kernel. So what with it? Darek Borkowski From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Oct 29 22:22:15 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:22:15 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 12:05:02AM +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > My "opinion". > Today, Fedora does not support : > - FC(x) => FC(x+1)T(y) and FC(x)T(y) => FC(x) . I'm pretty sure the former is supported--the goal is always to support upgrading to what will become FC(x+1). Of course, what do you mean by "support"? Anaconda doesn't outright prevent you from doing any upgrades, so all upgrades are "supported" in that sense. > - FCx => FC(x+1)RC(y) and FC(x)RC(y) => FC(x) > should be supported. "supported" how? These are test releases. The goal is always to have upgrades work, especially as we get closer to a release, but there will be bugs in test releases that cannot be solved always without a fresh install (unless you know how to fix the issues manually yourself). An example of this is package version downgrades. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 29 22:33:57 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:33:57 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 22:56 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > But I don't think it's easer to sign a repository than all the packages. > > For signing a repository, one command line would be used [...] > For signing all packages, one command line would be used [...] > > If Red Hat can use one of these methods, they can easily do both (It's > seems). Your logic is seriously flawed. The repository is created once, and updated on a specific and regular schedule. The entire repository metadata is signed at one time and in a predictable fashion. Precisely the problem which has been pointed out about signing every package is that there is no one around at the particular time when a few packages are finally ready, and it is those that do not get signed. But all packages are finished at different times, so it is impractical to suggest that all packages can be signed together with a single command. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Darek Borkowski From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 22:37:08 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:37:08 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell someone that my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh at me and tell me to uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a Windows concept, not the sort of attitude we can have with servers and workstation machines. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:22 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 12:05:02AM +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > My "opinion". > > Today, Fedora does not support : > > - FC(x) => FC(x+1)T(y) and FC(x)T(y) => FC(x) . > > I'm pretty sure the former is supported--the goal is always to support > upgrading to what will become FC(x+1). Of course, what do you mean by > "support"? Anaconda doesn't outright prevent you from doing any > upgrades, so all upgrades are "supported" in that sense. > > > - FCx => FC(x+1)RC(y) and FC(x)RC(y) => FC(x) > > should be supported. > > "supported" how? These are test releases. The goal is always to have > upgrades work, especially as we get closer to a release, but there > will be bugs in test releases that cannot be solved always without a > fresh install (unless you know how to fix the issues manually > yourself). An example of this is package version downgrades. > From bednar007 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 22:38:50 2004 From: bednar007 at gmail.com (Darek Borkowski) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:38:50 +0200 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a0410291528681e6cdb@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a0410291528681e6cdb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38f00b2a04102915385bea7fca@mail.gmail.com> My message was bounced by list server. I dont know why?! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Darek Borkowski Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:28:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound To: fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com hi, here is output of my lsmod: [root at kapsel ~]# lsmod Module Size Used by i915 76869 3 parport_pc 24705 1 lp 11565 0 parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp autofs4 24005 0 i2c_dev 10433 0 i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev sunrpc 160421 1 orinoco_cs 9545 1 orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs dm_mod 54741 0 button 6481 0 battery 8517 0 ac 4805 0 yenta_socket 18753 1 pcmcia_core 59913 3 orinoco_cs,ds,yenta_socket uhci_hcd 31449 0 ehci_hcd 31557 0 snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 snd_intel8x0 34829 2 snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 12 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_p cm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_devic e soundcore 9889 2 snd 8139too 26305 0 mii 4673 1 8139too ext3 116809 2 jbd 74969 1 ext3 I have installed: [root at kapsel ~]# rpm -qa|grep alsa alsa-lib-devel-1.0.6-3 alsa-lib-1.0.6-3 alsa-utils-1.0.6-3 [root at kapsel ~]# rpm -qa|grep init initscripts-7.93.2-1 SysVinit-2.85-34 mkinitrd-4.1.18-2 module-init-tools-3.1-0.pre5.3 xinitrc-4.0.14-1 [root at kapsel ~]# uname -r 2.6.9-1.643 and still have no sound at all regards Darek Borkowski From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 22:40:26 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:40:26 -0600 Subject: Gnome extremely slow In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041029153524b7dc35@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041029153524b7dc35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099089626.29464.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> What does top show for resource usage when this happens ? I'm running fc3rd3 and it seems pretty spunky. On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 00:35 +0200, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, I sent this as bug as: Bugzilla Bug 134625: Gnome extremely slow > after aplication crash, but without results. The bug remains NEW. > I think current problem is somewhat related to 134625. I've noticed > that Gnome apps (e.g. fonts preferences, laptop battery applet, > gnome-panel, but other also) hangs quite frequently. Then the window > of application stalls and the only way is to click on Closw WIndow > button, wait for confirmation requester and select: Yes I want to > quit/kill this app. > After that, Gnome is extremely slow in running other apps about one > minute. After that the Gnome works normal. > > Darek Borkowski > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 22:43:53 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:43:53 -0600 Subject: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04102915385bea7fca@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a0410291528681e6cdb@mail.gmail.com> <38f00b2a04102915385bea7fca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099089834.29464.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> AFAIK, we have the same problem. Same soundcard, similar symptoms, etc. I reinstalled to FC3rc3 last night and it is still the same. I posted this problem to bugzilla as issue #137579 I probably won't do anything with it until someone gives me some concrete info on why it might be happening. On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 00:38 +0200, Darek Borkowski wrote: > My message was bounced by list server. I dont know why?! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Darek Borkowski > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:28:45 +0200 > Subject: Re: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound > To: fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com > > > hi, here is output of my lsmod: > > [root at kapsel ~]# lsmod > Module Size Used by > i915 76869 3 > parport_pc 24705 1 > lp 11565 0 > parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp > autofs4 24005 0 > i2c_dev 10433 0 > i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev > sunrpc 160421 1 > orinoco_cs 9545 1 > orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs > hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco > ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs > dm_mod 54741 0 > button 6481 0 > battery 8517 0 > ac 4805 0 > yenta_socket 18753 1 > pcmcia_core 59913 3 orinoco_cs,ds,yenta_socket > uhci_hcd 31449 0 > ehci_hcd 31557 0 > snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 > snd_intel8x0 34829 2 > snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 > snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm > snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart > snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi > snd 54053 12 > snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_p > cm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_devic > e > soundcore 9889 2 snd > 8139too 26305 0 > mii 4673 1 8139too > ext3 116809 2 > jbd 74969 1 ext3 > > I have installed: > [root at kapsel ~]# rpm -qa|grep alsa > alsa-lib-devel-1.0.6-3 > alsa-lib-1.0.6-3 > alsa-utils-1.0.6-3 > [root at kapsel ~]# rpm -qa|grep init > initscripts-7.93.2-1 > SysVinit-2.85-34 > mkinitrd-4.1.18-2 > module-init-tools-3.1-0.pre5.3 > xinitrc-4.0.14-1 > [root at kapsel ~]# uname -r > 2.6.9-1.643 > > and still have no sound at all > > regards > > Darek Borkowski > From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 22:45:02 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:45:02 +0200 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <1099089902.9532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 18:22 -0400, Charles R. Anderson a ?crit : > On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 12:05:02AM +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > My "opinion". > > Today, Fedora does not support : > > - FC(x) => FC(x+1)T(y) and FC(x)T(y) => FC(x) . > > I'm pretty sure the former is supported--the goal is always to support > upgrading to what will become FC(x+1). Of course, what do you mean by > "support"? Anaconda doesn't outright prevent you from doing any > upgrades, so all upgrades are "supported" in that sense. > > > - FCx => FC(x+1)RC(y) and FC(x)RC(y) => FC(x) > > should be supported. > > "supported" how? If I can't update from FC3RC1 to FC3 it should be considered as a bug. If after an update from FC1 to FC3RC1 there still bugs, they should be considered as confirmed bugs. Fedora should not request to do a fresh install to confirm the bug. > These are test releases. I know. > The goal is always to have > upgrades work, especially as we get closer to a release, but there > will be bugs in test releases that cannot be solved always without a > fresh install (unless you know how to fix the issues manually > yourself). An example of this is package version downgrades. After rc1, fedora should not downgrade package. Fedora is freeze since Test 3. I am not requesting for a "strong" support. Information in the release note to update from FC3RC(x) to FC3 is enough (perhaps with some "rpm -U --oldpackage :-)). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I dont know why?! > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Darek Borkowski > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:28:45 +0200 > Subject: Re: Sound Card Recognized but No Sound > To: fedora-test-list-request at redhat.com > > > hi, here is output of my lsmod: > > [root at kapsel ~]# lsmod > Module Size Used by > i915 76869 3 > parport_pc 24705 1 > lp 11565 0 > parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp > autofs4 24005 0 > i2c_dev 10433 0 > i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev > sunrpc 160421 1 > orinoco_cs 9545 1 > orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs > hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco > ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs > dm_mod 54741 0 > button 6481 0 > battery 8517 0 > ac 4805 0 > yenta_socket 18753 1 > pcmcia_core 59913 3 orinoco_cs,ds,yenta_socket > uhci_hcd 31449 0 > ehci_hcd 31557 0 > snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 > snd_intel8x0 34829 2 > snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 > snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 > snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm > snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart > snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi > snd 54053 12 > snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_p > cm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_devic > e > soundcore 9889 2 snd > 8139too 26305 0 > mii 4673 1 8139too > ext3 116809 2 > jbd 74969 1 ext3 > > I have installed: > [root at kapsel ~]# rpm -qa|grep alsa > alsa-lib-devel-1.0.6-3 > alsa-lib-1.0.6-3 > alsa-utils-1.0.6-3 > [root at kapsel ~]# rpm -qa|grep init > initscripts-7.93.2-1 > SysVinit-2.85-34 > mkinitrd-4.1.18-2 > module-init-tools-3.1-0.pre5.3 > xinitrc-4.0.14-1 > [root at kapsel ~]# uname -r > 2.6.9-1.643 > > and still have no sound at all > > regards > > Darek Borkowski > From balay at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 29 22:48:14 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:48:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Laptop suspend apm -s not working In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a04102915202e299348@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a04102915202e299348@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Darek Borkowski wrote: > Hi, > > just tried to suspend or hibarnate system with /usr/bin/apm -s but > this not work. The system told: > No APM support in kernel > > I have newest 2.6.9-1.643 kernel. So what with it? boot with 'acpi=off' to get to apm Satish From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 22:49:06 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:49:06 -0600 Subject: Heads up for a possible install issue with FC3rcX this weekend. Message-ID: <1099090146.29464.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> [Bug 137650] New: Install reports "Probably out of disk space" when copying install image. Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:30:41 -0400 (16:30 MDT) Description of problem: The FC3rc3 install process gave me an out of disk space error when installing on a formerly used hard drive with empty partitions. I was installing FC3rc3 from CDROM (CDRW disks) on a dual boot machine with a previous install of FC3T3. I select a brand new installation, not an upgrade of what is already there. I'm manually partitioned the drive with disk druid. I've tried partitioning 3 different ways: 1)leaving the partitions alone, 2) removing them entirely and re adding and reformatting them and 3) just reformatting them as they are. There are 4 actual partitions on the disk: hda1 = XP, hda2 = /boot, hda3 = swap; hda4 = placeholder, hda5 = "/" All the Linux partitions are empty, save for "lost and found". I've checked their sizes in linux-rescue by temporarily mounting them and then doing a df. The error I received was: "An error occurred transferring the install image to your hard drive. You are probably out of disk space." It then take me back to the start of the actual installation process. I rebooted the install disk several times. I changed the partitions around. I changed the package selection. I watched and the system does seem to reformat the drive when it is supposed to. (The drive light runs anyway.) The progress bar of the image copy gets to about 80% when the cdrom drive stops. Then the error message appears. The hard drive checks out fine (fsck from linux-rescue) and the cdrom has passed "media test" three times. I've also run a memcheck86 and it too passes. My laptop is about a month old and has been rock solid. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): Whatever shipped on the Oct 28 version of the ISO rpms at i386/fc3-rc/3/ at duke.edu. How reproducible: I tried about 10 times to install with no success. Steps to Reproduce: It did eventually install. Truthfully I don't know what happened because I was talking on the phone with a friend and pressing keys at the same time and suddenly it was installing packages. I don't know if it is reproducable now because I haven't tried to install on the laptop since. Additional info: The machine is an HP7280 laptop. It has a 5400 RPM 80 GB drive and an 4x DVD burner/CDRW. I burnt the ISO CDRW disks on this machine and they passed validation testing in K3B as well as the media check on the Linux boot disk. The partition settings were: /dev/hda1: XP 20 GB /dev/hda2: /boot 100 MB ext3 /dev/hda3: swap 1 GB /dev/hda4: logical /dev/hda5: / remainder, ext3 I think that the package selected was small when it finally installed. My initial package selection was large and custom, ie workstation + development tools, not server with X or a desktop install. Which partition does anaconda copy the install image too ? Is it possible that it was using /boot and that the install image was bigger than the space on it ? Just an idea ? Comment: when and if this happens, the computer is unusable. At this point in the installation, grub.conf is empty and thus XP won't boot if you are dual booting. There is also nothing left on the Linux partitions to run. From markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi Fri Oct 29 22:49:42 2004 From: markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi (Markku Kolkka) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:49:42 +0300 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Kim Lux kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika lauantai, 30. lokakuuta 2004 01:37): > To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell > someone that my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh > at me and tell me to uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a > Windows concept, not the sort of attitude we can have with > servers and workstation machines. You should not install test releases to production servers or workstations in the first place. A Fedora Core test release is _not_ "the latest bleeding edge distro" for your machine, it's meant for TESTING! In order to meaningfully test a piece of software the system must be in a known state, so you must be prepared to freshly install the test system at any time. -- Markku Kolkka markku.kolkka at iki.fi From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Oct 29 22:47:51 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:47:51 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099090071.9649.7.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:05, Matias F?liciano wrote: > My "opinion". > Today, Fedora does not support : > - FC(x) => FC(x+1)T(y) and FC(x)T(y) => FC(x) . > > I think Fedora should support (this mean fedora should no reply with "do > a fresh install please" for a bug) if 'y' (test) is equal to 3. > > Or more realistically : > - FCx => FC(x+1)RC(y) and FC(x)RC(y) => FC(x) > should be supported. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Well, if you want the latter to be supported, then I suggest you step up to the plate and assist with anaconda development (there are mailing lists for anaconda specific development) or convince more people to assist with that development, as the task is likely to be monumental and full hacks and workarounds specific to each and every test release/release candidate to official release. And good luck convincing the core anaconda developers to spend any amount of time on it. I know I wouldn't bother. The expectation to be able to upgrade from a test release or a release candidate to an official release is asking for far too much. As others have said, it may work, and it has most of the time, but there usually are far more important things that need testing and fixing in the installer, than to fix an upgrade from a possibly badly broken test release so that you get a working and stable final release. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From perbj at stanford.edu Fri Oct 29 22:53:00 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:53:00 -0700 Subject: On upgrading [Re: FC3rc5] In-Reply-To: <1099087567.29314.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa791041029144414d305d1@mail.gmail.com> <1099087567.29314.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099090379.5333.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:44 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > I will point you to the fedora core list of objectives, for > > reassurance that smooth upgrades from core release to core release is > > considered important as a matter of fedora core policy. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 15:06, Kim Lux wrote: > Here is the rub: several times over the last few days people have come > on to the site and asked if they could update from FC2 to FC3T3 and then > to FC3 Final without "repercussions". Nobody has come out and said > "yes". I question why nobody is saying yes ? Are we not sure that our > upgrade process replaces everything ? Are we not sure how it handles > already installed config files ? Shouldn't an upgrade be an upgrade no > matter where it starts from ? Well, that's almost true, but there is a fundamental difference between upgrading from a stable release to a new release (be it stable or test) and upgrading from Rawhide or a test release to a stable release. The difference is that occasionally things slip into rawhide and test releases that mess up the system in such a way that it's a difficult to recover. Just consider the following theoretical situation: Somehow the command "rm -rf /" gets stuck in the post-uninstall scripts of a package that hits Rawhide. Oops. It's just not that easy to upgrade from that state, is it? ;) Now, Rawhide doesn't contain packages that do stupid things like that, but that's only because the Red Hat people are too smart to make that dumb mistake. However, they are not infallible, and but by its nature an RPM package _can_ have side effects outside of the files owned by the package. Sometimes the side effects of some change aren't all that obvious and it might not be all that easy to recover from some packaging mistakes. The stable releases are tested enough that this kind of goof generally doesn't slip through, and known thinkos are worked around in the upgrade process (be it in Anaconda or in the RPM scripts). It's just not possible to fix things up after every broken package that managed to hit Rawhide. Actually, this close to a release nothing that serious should sneak in so if you install the RC and just update to the final you're very likely to be in good shape. I actually did that from FC2t2, and it didn't seems to screw things up that time. But there are really no guarantees. > I guess my whole thing is that I think the developers and the group > should take an issue seriously, whether it comes from a fresh install or > from an upgrade. Indeed, and a lot of effort is put into getting upgrades to work. However, because of the issues with upgrading from broken packages, issues that only arise when following a Rawhide/test release upgrade path just aren't practical to deal with. Cheers, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Oct 29 22:54:03 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:54:03 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099090442.9649.14.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:37, Kim Lux wrote: > To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell someone that > my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh at me and tell me to > uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a Windows concept, not the sort > of attitude we can have with servers and workstation machines. Completely unfair comparison. Since when has *any* OS vendor supported upgrades from *test* release to official releases? Please name them, and provide pointers to some statistics on how well it worked in practice. Microsoft is guilty of a lot, but if you are saying that Windows betas or release candidates would not allow upgrades to official releases is something they should be blamed for, then I have to wonder how much exposure you've had to operating system development. In other words, just because you had to do something undesirable in the Windows world, doesn't mean it's a Windows specific occurrence. In this particular case, it's just the nature of operating system development, FLOSS or proprietary. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From cochranb at speakeasy.net Fri Oct 29 23:01:04 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:01:04 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <4182CBB0.8090805@speakeasy.net> Markku Kolkka wrote: >Kim Lux kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika lauantai, 30. >lokakuuta 2004 01:37): > > >>To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell >>someone that my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh >>at me and tell me to uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a >>Windows concept, not the sort of attitude we can have with >>servers and workstation machines. >> >> > >You should not install test releases to production servers or >workstations in the first place. A Fedora Core test release is >_not_ "the latest bleeding edge distro" for your machine, it's >meant for TESTING! In order to meaningfully test a piece of >software the system must be in a known state, so you must be >prepared to freshly install the test system at any time. > > > Yes I agree. Never take a test release of anything and put it on a production or serious machine. Personally I have a bunch of spare hard drives that I devote to test releases. I wipe them clean and do a fresh install each time. And I don't expect a 'Test' anything to work right. Bob Cochran From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 23:02:03 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:02:03 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> References: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> Message-ID: <1099090923.29464.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 01:49 +0300, Markku Kolkka wrote: > Kim Lux kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika lauantai, 30. > lokakuuta 2004 01:37): > > To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell > > someone that my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh > > at me and tell me to uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a > > Windows concept, not the sort of attitude we can have with > > servers and workstation machines. > > You should not install test releases to production servers or > workstations in the first place. A Fedora Core test release is > _not_ "the latest bleeding edge distro" for your machine, it's > meant for TESTING! In order to meaningfully test a piece of > software the system must be in a known state, so you must be > prepared to freshly install the test system at any time. When installed from an upgrade, it is in a known state: it is an update ! Updates have to work too. I agree that some testing has to take place from fresh installs to eliminate variables, but as far as I am concerned, once it hits freeze, it should be tested on at least a 50-50 mix of fresh and upgrades. As far as using test releases for work, it has to be done to get meaningful usage. Do you want the first people using FC3 in work conditions to be the unknowledgable "which button do I push" end users ? I hope not. I turned in a number of bug reports today (8), probably because I've been working on FC3T3 full time for about a week now. I back everything up to a USB drive almost hourly and run a tar of /home at the end of every day. BTW: If we really feel that FC3rc3 is "final" next week, I'd like to challenge us to a little test: lets all install FC3 final and use it for a week or two before advertising it to the public. Call it "post final testing". How many new issues do you think we would turn up in those two weeks of "real" use ? Furthermore, some of us will be updating machines from various other RH/FC OSes. How many issues do you think that process will turn up ? We used to call this "real world" testing and software isn't ready to ship until that is done. > > -- > Markku Kolkka > markku.kolkka at iki.fi > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 23:08:17 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:08:17 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099090442.9649.14.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099090442.9649.14.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1099091297.29464.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> I wasn't speaking about an upgrade from a test release to a final release. I was talking about an upgrade from a stable release. Example: I reported sound issues in FC3T3 yesterday and I was told in no uncertain terms that I shouldn't expect sound to work from an upgrade. I was point blank told to install fresh to fix it. (Check the archives.) I was upgrading from FC2, which had been running very stable for over a month. That was the wrong attitude to have. FC2 was stable and sound was supposed to work in FC3T3, so the issue should have been taken serious right then and there. It wasn't. It turns out the issue is still present in FC3rc3 from a fresh install ! BTW: I have to say one thing: FC2 was a very stable release. I don't think I've seen a machine crash with it yet. On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:54 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:37, Kim Lux wrote: > > To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell someone that > > my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh at me and tell me to > > uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a Windows concept, not the sort > > of attitude we can have with servers and workstation machines. > > Completely unfair comparison. Since when has *any* OS vendor > supported upgrades from *test* release to official releases? Please > name them, and provide pointers to some statistics on how well it worked > in practice. > Microsoft is guilty of a lot, but if you are saying that Windows betas > or release candidates would not allow upgrades to official releases is > something they should be blamed for, then I have to wonder how much > exposure you've had to operating system development. In other words, > just because you had to do something undesirable in the Windows world, > doesn't mean it's a Windows specific occurrence. In this particular > case, it's just the nature of operating system development, FLOSS or > proprietary. > > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > From graydon at epiphyte.net Fri Oct 29 23:08:26 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (Graydon) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:08:26 -0400 Subject: Install "Askmethod" support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041029230826.GC27477@uniserve.com> On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 09:48:55AM -0600, Kim Lux scripsit: > As it is right now, users have to download the ISOs, then burn disks, > then verify disks, then install from them. This is a slow process if > one is using a 4x CDRW disk in a slow CDROM drive. Dump the isos to a partition -- I have one usually called /iso for this purpose -- and burn the rescue cd image. (or try sticking that on a USB key. I have one, work-necessary, key, so I haven't tried this.) Then use 'linux askmethod' and 'hard drive' for the install. Saves on CDs something considerable, especially if the rescue image (or, historically, the first CD) is going on a rewritable. From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 23:11:59 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:11:59 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 16:33 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 22:56 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > But I don't think it's easer to sign a repository than all the packages. > > > > For signing a repository, one command line would be used [...] > > For signing all packages, one command line would be used [...] > > > > If Red Hat can use one of these methods, they can easily do both (It's > > seems). > > Your logic is seriously flawed. The repository is created once, and > updated on a specific and regular schedule. The entire repository > metadata is signed at one time and in a predictable fashion. > > Precisely the problem which has been pointed out about signing every > package is that there is no one around at the particular time when a few > packages are finally ready, and it is those that do not get signed. But > all packages are finished at different times, so it is impractical to > suggest that all packages can be signed together with a single command. > Since rawhide have some unsigned packages I like to know which package is not signed and I sign them with my key (so yum always have "gpgcheck=1") : I mirror rawhide in the i386 directory with rsync, and then I sign package that miss gpg. Note, I don't sign (that is, change) any package in i386 directory (rsync does not like this). add_sign.sh (an ugly personal script) : #!/bin/bash cd i386 # copy newly unsigned package to i386_s and sign them. find *.rpm -not -exec test -f ../i386_s/{} \; -print0 | xargs -0 rpm -K | grep "md5 OK$" | sed -n -e "s/:.*$//p" | xargs -i bash -c "cp {} ../i386_s ; echo {}" | ( cd ../i386_s/ ; xargs rpm --addsign ) # remove old package in i386_s cd ../i386_s find *.rpm -not -exec test -f ../i386/{} \; -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f # add missing symbolic links from i386_s to i386 cd ../i386 find *.rpm -not -exec test -f ../i386_s/{} \; -printf "../i386/%f\0" | xargs -0 ln -s -v --target-directory=../i386_s In i386_s, I have something like : lrwxrwxrwx 1 admin admin 31 oct 22 16:22 indent-2.2.9-6.i386.rpm -> ../i386/indent-2.2.9-6.i386.rpm lrwxrwxrwx 1 admin admin 33 oct 22 16:22 inews-2.3.5-11.1.i386.rpm -> ../i386/inews-2.3.5-11.1.i386.rpm lrwxrwxrwx 1 admin admin 27 oct 22 16:22 info-4.7-5.i386.rpm -> ../i386/info-4.7-5.i386.rpm -rw-rw-r-- 1 admin admin 1078855 oct 28 18:46 initscripts-7.93.2-1.i386.rpm lrwxrwxrwx 1 admin admin 31 oct 22 16:22 inn-2.3.5-11.1.i386.rpm -> ../i386/inn-2.3.5-11.1.i386.rpm lrwxrwxrwx 1 admin admin 37 oct 22 16:22 inn-devel-2.3.5-11.1.i386.rpm -> ../i386/inn-devel-2.3.5-11.1.i386.rpm Then I run createrepo in this directory, I use ONE "rpm --addsign". 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 23:11:47 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:11:47 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <4182CBB0.8090805@speakeasy.net> References: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <4182CBB0.8090805@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099091507.29464.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:01 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > And I don't expect a 'Test' anything to work right. > > Bob Cochran > OK, then when does it make the transition to working right ? RC1 is less than a week old. Did we go from not expecting anything to work right (last week) to a stable release (next week) in two weeks ? I think we need to change some definitions and/or add some testing time somewhere. And by testing I mean real live at work testing. If Test candidate aren't for real work and we've only got 2 weeks of release candidates that are suitable to use for work, then our product only has 2 weeks or real work testing on it. From jspaleta at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 23:11:46 2004 From: jspaleta at gmail.com (Jeff Spaleta) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:11:46 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099090923.29464.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1099090923.29464.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <604aa79104102916116709afff@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:02:03 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > I turned in a number of bug reports today (8), probably because I've > been working on FC3T3 full time for about a week now. I back everything > up to a USB drive almost hourly and run a tar of /home at the end of > every day. Maybe you would like using rdiff-backup. -jef From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Oct 29 23:11:52 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:11:52 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099089902.9532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089902.9532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099091512.9649.32.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:45, Matias F?liciano wrote: > If I can't update from FC3RC1 to FC3 it should be considered as a bug. Not likely to happen. Ever. If you wish to donate development effort to anaconda and lobby the anaconda developers to incorporate testrelease->officialrelease (all combinations) specific hacks, then you are welcome to do that. I'm sure the current anaconda developers have plenty enough to do that they are probably not interested in wasting time on upgrades *from* test releases. > If after an update from FC1 to FC3RC1 there still bugs, they should be > considered as confirmed bugs. Fedora should not request to do a fresh > install to confirm the bug. You are correct, here. However, sometimes is can be quite helpful to determine whether a problem exists in both upgrades and installs or just in upgrades. Sometimes, upgrade problems can be harder to fix. Even tricky enough that they can't safely be fix in an automated way, especially when a choice has to be made that is best made by the user. But identifying something as an upgrade problem can narrow down the problem and provide, via the release notes, a way to mitigate or fix the problem manually. If you've done upgrades of *any* other OS, you must know that almost all upgrades have some issues. Usually, they are minor, and often, they are 'release-noted'. But if something gets closed as NOTABUG because it is an upgrade problem (from official release to test release), then I'd bitch, too. WONTFIX, I can deal with, though, if it's due to a engineering resource issue. [snip] > After rc1, fedora should not downgrade package. Fedora is freeze since > Test 3. In an ideal world, yes. But there are times when it's unavoidable. > I am not requesting for a "strong" support. Information in the release > note to update from FC3RC(x) to FC3 is enough (perhaps with some "rpm -U > --oldpackage :-)). > > ______________________________________________________________________ Well, that makes sense. But sometimes, as I mentioned above, there are some things that may need user intervention. Stuff that anaconda does to fix some things up, that won't work with interim test release due to an attempt to integrate something into the release that failed. Two examples from the FC2 cycle come to mind that might have caused problems: evolution 1.5 and selinux. Someone more intimately involved with those may be able to confirm or deny if these specifically would have been a problem for upgrades from interim test releases, but they are just examples to illustrate a point. And that is that big integration efforts sometimes don't succeed in time for release. And that makes for messy, error-prone, from-test-release upgrades. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 23:16:21 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:16:21 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102916116709afff@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200410300149.42311.markkukolkka@kolumbus.fi> <1099090923.29464.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa79104102916116709afff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1099091781.29464.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm afraid to do diffs because I'm afraid I won't realize when the base data is corrupted. There is a neat tar/find combo in "The Linux Troubleshooting Bible". On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:11 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:02:03 -0600, Kim Lux wrote: > > I turned in a number of bug reports today (8), probably because I've > > been working on FC3T3 full time for about a week now. I back everything > > up to a USB drive almost hourly and run a tar of /home at the end of > > every day. > > Maybe you would like using rdiff-backup. > > -jef > From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 23:18:46 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:18:46 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099091512.9649.32.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089902.9532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099091512.9649.32.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1099091926.29464.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think the whole discussion on testing, what should be considered a suitable point to start using a release for work and what the rules about upgrading should be is great. This is how things improve: when it gets discussed. From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Oct 29 23:16:36 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:16:36 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099091297.29464.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099090442.9649.14.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1099091297.29464.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099091796.9649.37.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:08, Kim Lux wrote: > I wasn't speaking about an upgrade from a test release to a final > release. I was talking about an upgrade from a stable release. Apologies. Matias stated that: > > - FCx => FC(x+1)RC(y) and FC(x)RC(y) => FC(x) > > should be supported. and you didn't specify if you were talking about both cases or just the first. My bad for assuming you meant both. For the record, I agree that "Do a clean install to fix a problem" should, in general not be a serious answer. Even if an upgrade is broken, a manual fix should be possible and the problem itself should be consider a bug. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Oct 29 23:20:30 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:20:30 -0400 Subject: fedora.linux.duke.edu downtime In-Reply-To: <200410291745.41848.gene.heskett@verizon.net> References: <1099084213.29855.59.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <200410291745.41848.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1099092030.2786.0.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:45, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 29 October 2004 17:10, seth vidal wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > The physics department at duke university is victim of another > > power outage. We will be shutting down fedora.linux.duke.edu (also > > fedoraproject.org) for about 3 hours today starting at 6pm EDT > > -4UTC > > > >Thanks > >-sv > > Gee, and just as I was about to fire off another wget session. I take > it you've been having too much fun there Seth? They must have > started 20 minutes early with the shutdown. :) Yah the power went out promptly at 6:00 so we shut down about 20 minutes early. We're back now. Feel free to download. -sv From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Fri Oct 29 23:26:18 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:26:18 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099092378.3370.51.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:03 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote: > In respond to all the queries about "why are the .iso timestamps > changing", it's because I'm putting the latest RC in the same location as > the older ones, so the files do change. > RC5? Did I miss 4 somehow? Also, wouldn't FC3-rc/4/ and FC3-rc/5/ make sense, rather than putting everything in the same old directory? More orderly, simpler, clearer? Disk space is not an issue... since you were clearly willing to clobber earlier RC's in this case, you could have also deleted them then. 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If you wish to donate development effort > to anaconda and lobby the anaconda developers to incorporate > testrelease->officialrelease (all combinations) specific hacks, then you > are welcome to do that. Good point. "yum/up2date --update" should work. > I'm sure the current anaconda developers have > plenty enough to do that they are probably not interested in wasting > time on upgrades *from* test releases. > > > If after an update from FC1 to FC3RC1 there still bugs, they should be > > considered as confirmed bugs. Fedora should not request to do a fresh > > install to confirm the bug. > > You are correct, here. However, sometimes is can be quite helpful to > determine whether a problem exists in both upgrades and installs or just > in upgrades. Sometimes, upgrade problems can be harder to fix. Even > tricky enough that they can't safely be fix in an automated way, > especially when a choice has to be made that is best made by the user. > But identifying something as an upgrade problem can narrow down the > problem and provide, via the release notes, a way to mitigate or fix the > problem manually. > If you've done upgrades of *any* other OS, you must know that almost > all upgrades have some issues. Usually, they are minor, and often, they > are 'release-noted'. > But if something gets closed as NOTABUG because it is an upgrade > problem (from official release to test release), then I'd bitch, too. > WONTFIX, I can deal with, though, if it's due to a engineering resource > issue. > > [snip] > > > After rc1, fedora should not downgrade package. Fedora is freeze since > > Test 3. > > In an ideal world, yes. But there are times when it's unavoidable. > > > I am not requesting for a "strong" support. Information in the release > > note to update from FC3RC(x) to FC3 is enough (perhaps with some "rpm -U > > --oldpackage :-)). > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Well, that makes sense. But sometimes, as I mentioned above, there > are some things that may need user intervention. Stuff that anaconda > does to fix some things up, that won't work with interim test release > due to an attempt to integrate something into the release that failed. > Two examples from the FC2 cycle come to mind that might have caused > problems: evolution 1.5 and selinux. During Release Candidat ? Are you sure ? > Someone more intimately involved > with those may be able to confirm or deny if these specifically would > have been a problem for upgrades from interim test releases, but they > are just examples to illustrate a point. And that is that big > integration efforts sometimes don't succeed in time for release. And > that makes for messy, error-prone, from-test-release upgrades. > > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From wphewitt at bpa.gov Fri Oct 29 23:33:00 2004 From: wphewitt at bpa.gov (William Hewitt) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:33:00 -0700 Subject: Evolution Questions??? Message-ID: <1099092780.4165.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I am testing FC RC3 and it seems that the Summary (RDF) View is gone in Evolution? Was it removed or is there something wrong with my install? Also, I lost all my file associations in Evolution..... and possibly Nautilus(?) When I looked for some simple means of recreating them, I couldnt find the old mime types GUI interface.... Is it gone also? I did an "upgrade" instead of a "new" install...... Other than these two issues (pretty serious ones if your goal is to build this into a consumer grade OS...), seems to be working rather nicely..... Any advice is appreciated.... WPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josh at wavefood.com Fri Oct 29 23:35:04 2004 From: josh at wavefood.com (Joshua Andrews) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:35:04 -0700 Subject: xorg-x11 ati drivers Message-ID: <4182D3A8.7080505@wavefood.com> I have read on Gatos devel list that the radeon theater drivers are now included in xorg-x11-6.8.1-x, is this true of the xorg packages for FC3? Thanks Joshua From feliciano.matias at free.fr Fri Oct 29 23:41:21 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:41:21 +0200 Subject: xorg-x11 ati drivers In-Reply-To: <4182D3A8.7080505@wavefood.com> References: <4182D3A8.7080505@wavefood.com> Message-ID: <1099093281.9532.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 16:35 -0700, Joshua Andrews a ?crit : > I have read on Gatos devel list that the radeon theater drivers are now > included in xorg-x11-6.8.1-x, is this true of the xorg packages for FC3? I have an old ATI Rage Pro IIC : $ xvinfo | head -3 X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 Adaptor #0: "ATI Mach64 Back-end Overlay Scaler" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Fri Oct 29 23:39:37 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:39:37 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099092645.9532.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089902.9532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099091512.9649.32.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1099092645.9532.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099093177.9649.45.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:30, Matias F?liciano wrote: [snip] > > Two examples from the FC2 cycle come to mind that might have caused > > problems: evolution 1.5 and selinux. > > During Release Candidat ? Are you sure ? Were there even any 'release candidates' during FC2 testing? I quite honestly don't remember. Personally, I don't think it matters, though, as I don't recall any clear distinction being drawn between 'test' and 'release candidate'. I'm not saying there *shouldn't* be a distinction, I just don't remember it being explained (though, admittedly, I haven't read *every* post ;-)). The way I see it is that the development and testing phase of a release is asymptotic in nature. We're winding down significantly during the so-called 'release candidate' stage. But surprises can and do happen. And when they do, feature freeze or not, sometimes it makes sense to back something out of the release if it can be determined that the lateness vs. feature removal tradeoff warrants it. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From lux at diesel-research.com Fri Oct 29 23:46:35 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:46:35 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099093177.9649.45.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089902.9532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099091512.9649.32.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1099092645.9532.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099093177.9649.45.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1099093595.4484.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I think it does matter when one crosses the line between test and rc. At some point someone (advanced users) need to start using the release for real work and I think that rcs are probably the place for that to happen. Software doesn't go from buggy to stable over night and there needs to be a testing and feedback process in place for it to happen. I think rc testing might be the place for that to happen. From perbj at stanford.edu Fri Oct 29 23:55:04 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:55:04 -0700 Subject: xorg-x11 ati drivers In-Reply-To: <4182D3A8.7080505@wavefood.com> References: <4182D3A8.7080505@wavefood.com> Message-ID: <1099094104.5333.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:35, Joshua Andrews wrote: > I have read on Gatos devel list that the radeon theater drivers are now > included in xorg-x11-6.8.1-x, is this true of the xorg packages for FC3? No. The packages in FC3 are the 6.8.1 release (presumably with small additional local fixes/integration-related changes - I haven't checked exactly what though); the integration of the Gatos stuff was done in the development tree after the release was made. Any further X updates for FC3, if they happen, will in all likelihood be made from the 6.8.X stable branch, so there probably won't be official Fedora packages including GATOS until FC4 at the earliest. I'm pretty interested in this so if I have time I might try to make an unofficial package. If someone else gets around to it earlier announcing it here would probably be welcome. I don't think that the changes are dramatic enough that it should be all that difficult to swap out the base tarball from the FC3 RPMs. But I haven't tried yet, so I could be wrong... ;) A quick word of warning, if you are inclined to do some experimentation: Compiling X from CVS or tarballs and dumping it on top of your old RPM-based installation is not really a good idea. I did this a few years ago once, and it turned out that XFree86 and Red Hat had differing ideas of what the direction of a symlink to some directory should be (I can't remember the details but it had to do with LSB compliance IIRC). When I later tried a distro upgrade it died miserably on me and I had to reinstall from scratch. Using a completely separate X tree compiled from CVS should work OK, but you need to make sure that it doesn't clobber anything in your original install. Cheers, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From res at ausics.net Fri Oct 29 23:59:04 2004 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:59:04 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell someone that > my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh at me and tell me to > uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a Windows concept, not the sort > of attitude we can have with servers and workstation machines. Agreed > > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:22 -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 12:05:02AM +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: >>> My "opinion". >>> Today, Fedora does not support : >>> - FC(x) => FC(x+1)T(y) and FC(x)T(y) => FC(x) . >> >> I'm pretty sure the former is supported--the goal is always to support >> upgrading to what will become FC(x+1). Of course, what do you mean by >> "support"? Anaconda doesn't outright prevent you from doing any >> upgrades, so all upgrades are "supported" in that sense. >> >>> - FCx => FC(x+1)RC(y) and FC(x)RC(y) => FC(x) >>> should be supported. >> >> "supported" how? These are test releases. The goal is always to have >> upgrades work, especially as we get closer to a release, but there >> will be bugs in test releases that cannot be solved always without a >> fresh install (unless you know how to fix the issues manually >> yourself). An example of this is package version downgrades. >> > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Regards, Res From res at ausics.net Sat Oct 30 00:02:00 2004 From: res at ausics.net (Res) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:02:00 +1000 (EST) Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099090442.9649.14.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099090442.9649.14.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: I think a few people here are reading too depply into his post, sure he shouldnt use test versions but I read that as a upgrade on versions, or maybe I used common sense in this approach which some people around here forbid. Go get a coffee On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:37, Kim Lux wrote: >> To me, "support" means that when I ask for advice and tell someone that >> my installation was an upgrade they don't laugh at me and tell me to >> uninstall and reinstall fresh. That is a Windows concept, not the sort >> of attitude we can have with servers and workstation machines. > > Completely unfair comparison. Since when has *any* OS vendor > supported upgrades from *test* release to official releases? Please > name them, and provide pointers to some statistics on how well it worked > in practice. > Microsoft is guilty of a lot, but if you are saying that Windows betas > or release candidates would not allow upgrades to official releases is > something they should be blamed for, then I have to wonder how much > exposure you've had to operating system development. In other words, > just because you had to do something undesirable in the Windows world, > doesn't mean it's a Windows specific occurrence. In this particular > case, it's just the nature of operating system development, FLOSS or > proprietary. > > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Regards, Res From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sat Oct 30 00:04:25 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:04:25 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089428.29464.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099090442.9649.14.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1099094665.9649.49.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 20:02, Res wrote: [snip] > Go get a coffee Good idea :-) /me wonders if asking if he should go for the Gevalia or the Green Mountain is a smart idea on this list or not ;-) -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 00:23:16 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:23:16 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC3 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. Message-ID: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. Printing to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a bug (#133064) that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print server fails, but ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. Gerry Tool From sking4 at cinci.rr.com Sat Oct 30 00:31:13 2004 From: sking4 at cinci.rr.com (Salane KIng) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:31:13 -0400 Subject: handy iso upgrade rsync script Message-ID: <200410292031.13871@x-face> rsync usually will speed up the upgrading of iso files from one to another. Since the test iso does'nt change their name here is a small script to help the community. #!/bin/sh rsync -av --progress --partial --stats sunsite.mff.cuni.cz::ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc* /directory of isos the rsync line here is smart wrapped and should be on one line in your command or bash script file. here is my output of this command which is saved as the file "iso" sh iso SunSITE.MFF.CUni.CZ 2TB archive receiving file list ... 4 files to consider FC3-i386-disc1.iso 647069696 100% 628.29kB/s 0:16:45 (1, 25.0% of 4) FC3-i386-disc2.iso 668514304 100% 1.25MB/s 0:08:31 (2, 50.0% of 4) FC3-i386-disc3.iso 667525120 100% 1016.03kB/s 0:10:41 (3, 75.0% of 4) FC3-i386-disc4.iso 398049280 100% 884.90kB/s 0:07:19 (4, 100.0% of 4) Number of files: 4 Number of files transferred: 4 Total file size: 2381158400 bytes Total transferred file size: 2381158400 bytes Literal data: 371155464 bytes Matched data: 2010002936 bytes File list size: 101 Total bytes sent: 583981 Total bytes received: 371529134 sent 583981 bytes received 371529134 bytes 136130.64 bytes/sec total size is 2381158400 speedup is 6.40 From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sat Oct 30 00:47:51 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:47:51 +0200 Subject: Which RC set is current? In-Reply-To: <1099082564.28221.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4182A9F3.4000208@uindy.edu> <1099082564.28221.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099097271.3455.2.camel@littlePiet> Am Fr, den 29.10.2004 schrieb Kim Lux um 22:42: > I installed yesterday from duke.edu. > > The directory path ended /FC3-rc/3/i386. The files were dated October > 28th. The checksums worked. > > I am now wondering what I have installed. Some version of RC3 :-) Currently there is a newer version available. RC seem to change very quick, so you have to check often. > BTW: where are the yum and up2date repositories for these installs ? I suppose there are none (or it is rawhide). You should wait until Core 3 is released. Peter From josh at wavefood.com Sat Oct 30 01:03:55 2004 From: josh at wavefood.com (Joshua Andrews) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:03:55 -0700 Subject: xorg-x11 ati drivers In-Reply-To: <1099094104.5333.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4182D3A8.7080505@wavefood.com> <1099094104.5333.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4182E87B.4090306@wavefood.com> Per Bjornsson wrote: >On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:35, Joshua Andrews wrote: > > >>I have read on Gatos devel list that the radeon theater drivers are now >>included in xorg-x11-6.8.1-x, is this true of the xorg packages for FC3? >> >> > >No. The packages in FC3 are the 6.8.1 release (presumably with small >additional local fixes/integration-related changes - I haven't checked >exactly what though); the integration of the Gatos stuff was done in the >development tree after the release was made. Any further X updates for >FC3, if they happen, will in all likelihood be made from the 6.8.X >stable branch, so there probably won't be official Fedora packages >including GATOS until FC4 at the earliest. > >I'm pretty interested in this so if I have time I might try to make an >unofficial package. If someone else gets around to it earlier announcing >it here would probably be welcome. I don't think that the changes are >dramatic enough that it should be all that difficult to swap out the >base tarball from the FC3 RPMs. But I haven't tried yet, so I could be >wrong... ;) > >A quick word of warning, if you are inclined to do some experimentation: >Compiling X from CVS or tarballs and dumping it on top of your old >RPM-based installation is not really a good idea. I did this a few years >ago once, and it turned out that XFree86 and Red Hat had differing ideas >of what the direction of a symlink to some directory should be (I can't >remember the details but it had to do with LSB compliance IIRC). When I >later tried a distro upgrade it died miserably on me and I had to >reinstall from scratch. Using a completely separate X tree compiled from >CVS should work OK, but you need to make sure that it doesn't clobber >anything in your original install. > >Cheers, >Per > > > For years now I have been having major pains with Gatos and Red Hat. It seems the Gatos development is mostly aimed at slackware and since Red Hat kind of goes in its own direction with the kernel and such it has never been stright forward getting radeon multimedia stuff working. I have been building kernel modules, building XFree86, etc. until I have finally given up with Fedora's short life cycle. When I read that Gatos was finally merging with xorg I was really hopefull. Oh well! Anyway, I'll wait for FC3 and maybe give it another shot merging it into Fedora xorg-x11 sources. Thanks, Joshua From perbj at stanford.edu Sat Oct 30 01:25:48 2004 From: perbj at stanford.edu (Per Bjornsson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:25:48 -0700 Subject: xorg-x11 ati drivers In-Reply-To: <4182E87B.4090306@wavefood.com> References: <4182D3A8.7080505@wavefood.com> <1099094104.5333.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4182E87B.4090306@wavefood.com> Message-ID: <1099099548.5333.220.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:03, Joshua Andrews wrote: > For years now I have been having major pains with Gatos and Red Hat. Funny, I actually had decent luck when I was playing with this a few years ago, actually just dropping in the Gatos driver binaries. I don't think that there was ever a setup that would do both 3D acceleration and video capture for the Rage128 (which I had) though. > It > seems the Gatos development is mostly aimed at slackware and since Red > Hat kind of goes in its own direction with the kernel and such it has > never been stright forward getting radeon multimedia stuff working. Well, the old Red Hat Linux kernels were pretty heavily patched, and in order to avoid regressions the FC1 kernel was too, but the 2.6 FC2+ kernels are really pretty close to mainline, so patching stuff should be much easier nowadays. In any case, I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't need a patched DRI driver any longer; the km kernel module should likely work just fine in the Fedora kernel although I haven't tested it. > I > have been building kernel modules, building XFree86, etc. until I have > finally given up with Fedora's short life cycle. When I read that Gatos > was finally merging with xorg I was really hopefull. Oh well! Anyway, > I'll wait for FC3 and maybe give it another shot merging it into Fedora > xorg-x11 sources. I think the way to go is to grab the FC3 SRPM and replace the base tarball in it with the current X.org development tree. You'll need to figure out what patches are still needed, and possibly adjust them, though. At least the situation should be much better than it was with XFree86, IIRC there were tons of local fixes in those... Good luck, Per -- Per Bjornsson Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University From russell at coker.com.au Sat Oct 30 01:53:13 2004 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:53:13 +1000 Subject: Reiserfs question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410301153.13884.russell@coker.com.au> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:53, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Russell Coker wrote: > > New features can't wait for everyone to use new file systems. Hans has > > decided not to support XATTRs > > Wrong, reiserfs XATTRs were added in 2002. > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=103765962910834&w=2 I think that you are trying to mislead people. See the following URL from the same thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=103542341128072&w=2 In response to a question about when ReiserFS will support XATTR Hans says that Reiser4 will do it. As far as I am aware the ReiserFS XATTR code was added to the 2.6.x tree in spite of objections from Hans. > If you will check the config options for 2.6.8.1 youll see > CONFIG_REISERFS_FS_XATTR ... We all know that. > > and as a consequence of that people who want to use SE Linux will make > > much less use of ReiserFS. This also impacts the ability of Red Hat to > > support ReiserFS. > > If selinux cant run on reiserfs, its not because its missing XATTRs, > because theyre not missing. If XATTR support had been in ReiserFS with support from Namesys since 2002 then SE Linux support would be there. Incidentally the URL you cite contains an explanation of why SE Linux doesn't support persistent labels on ReiserFS. It's because internally XATTRs are treated as files to preserve the metadata format. If Hans had supported XATTRs then probably the metadata format would have a minor revision for them and this would never have been a problem. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Oct 30 02:01:19 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 29 Oct 2004 23:01:19 -0300 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1099052027.4019.70.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <1098675623.4327.13.camel@andrewfarris.dev> <1098694015.8604.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098805728.7476.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098993846.3555.80.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099052027.4019.70.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: Rats, I promised to step out of the debate, but there are questions directly addressed at me, so I'll have to step back in and answer them. On Oct 29, 2004, Nils Philippsen wrote: > For Rawhide, all we (that is some people including me) want to have > is that the packages that originate in the Red Hat build system are > signed with a short-lived key that we can be sure that the package > is in fact the one piped through the build system. This can be made > part of the pushing step in the process. This is a very interesting idea. What if we generated a key as part of the pushing process, and signed all packages without a signature using such a key? We'd then publish that key somewhere in the rawhide repository itself, such that people could refer to it directly from download.fedora.redhat.com (i.e., not potentially-corrupted mirrors) and, at some point of the day (hopefully not too long after the push is completed), one of the key holders would sign that key with the rawhide key (while at the same time signing the packages that didn't get a signature in time for the previous push, such that they get a stronger signature next day). This means people might have to grab and verify a new set of keys everyday, but this would be relatively easy to automate, and would get people to at least think a little bit about what they're doing. If such keys could be downloaded from some https server whose encrypted sessions can be verified by a Red Hat certificate (as if people would check the certificate :-), even better, but then, we'd have security issues securely getting the keys into the secure https server as well. > I don't know whether pushing the packages happens manually (in which > case it would be only very few people how could initiate it, right?) or > whether it happens per cron job. The latter. > in the second you could -- for the sake of the security of the key -- > make the signing part a separate daemon. See, that's a hole into the box holding the signing key. Not a good idea, no matter how secure you may think such a daemon is. Another way to do it would be to have such a box generate the rawhide-daily key at a specific time of the day and store it in a location the rawhide push machinery would then be able to use. It's still a problem that, in order to sign such a key with any of the trusted keys, you'd need a process running holding the passphrase for the trusted key, and with access to the key protected by the passphrase. > No. See above. Or in different terms: Even a signed package in FC final > or update, RHEL final or update or whatever doesn't tell me more than > that this particular package has been piped through the Red Hat build > system. Not true. All it tells you is that it was signed with the corresponding Red Hat signing key. It's up to the key bearers to ensure that the key is only used to sign packages that went through the build system and, the more the key is exposed, the more it is likely that someone will be able to attach a signature to a package that didn't go through the build system. > No, because the build system wouldn't have the keys. If the build system or the automated pushing system has any way to automatically get packages signed, then such a signing key is dangerously exposed. >> Who's forcing anyone to trust unsigned packages? >> I haven't signed this message. Am I forcing anyone to read it? I >> don't think so. > That is not the question. This mail isn't signed as well because it > doesn't really matter whether it's really me who wrote it, I hope the > arguments count more than the person who's written them ;-). Signed or not, you weren't forced to read it, and that was the point. The fact that Red Hat publishes the packages, signed or not, doesn't mean anyone is forced to use them. > Exactly :-). Please show me whether there are any flaws in what I've > outlined above. The flaw is that signing something means access to the key. The more exposure a key gets, the less trustworthy it is. No matter how many levels of indirection and perceived security you place between the build system and the signing system, if a signing session can be initiated by the build system, it means the build system has access to the keys, and this is bad by all accounts. The one interesting idea that sprouted out is that of using a short-lived key. One that will start-out untrusted, for not being signed (otherwise the rawhide push system would get access to the important key, which it shouldn't), but that will get a signature as soon as the other packages are signed. Alternatively, we could have such signed, short-lived keys be generated and signed by one of the key holders say daily (or every time they sign packages), and installed in some location that will grant the build and the pushing system the ability to sign packages, such that, in the absence of a stronger signature, they could attach this insecure signature to the packages before they make to the rawhide repository. >> Failing that, I'd be more than willing to live with a signed-rawhide >> repository, that we could build the way I described in a previous >> posting. > At the point you (or an automated system) can sign package repository > data, you (or it) can also sign the contained packages. Yes, but the repository information could be signed by an actual person, as opposed to the automated push, after mirrors have started picking up the package content. > Monitoring the repos for corrupt packages is reactive security which is > nice to have but not the only thing I would want to rely on. Agreed. >> If any single mirror is corrupted, it's too late for people who got a >> package from there and didn't check it before installing. Yes, >> checking is a pain. > I'm sorry, but I'd say checking that a binary package which isn't signed > at all (i.e. I can't know that it really comes from the original source) > doesn't contain malicious changes is a bit too much to expect from > people who aren't compiler engineers and eat assembler for > breakfast ;-) I was more talking about checking md5sums with some published, secure list than actually extracting the contents and verifying them. > When issuing announcements I used to sign them with my key, but > ceased to do it because of the hassle when I wrote the email on a > remote system while I have the key only locally (i.e. on a USB > stick). I'm regularly thinking about how to avoid this without > compromising the security of the key, but to no avail yet. I don't think you can. In order to sign something, you have to have the content to be signed and the key available to the same machine, because the signature is the result of a computation involving both. Ok, not really; it's a hash computed from the key and the data, so, if you can compute them separately, you could send the hash of the data towards the host holding the key, have it compute the signature and send it back, but you have to do so in such a way that you have little risk of ending up with your signature attached to something other than what you meant to sign. Consider, for example, that a man-in-the-middle or someone with privileged access to the signing host could modify the hash sent to you for signing, and eavesdrop the signature for such a hash, as means to get your signature attached to some data they chose. Another way to do it is to have a one-time key pair generated and signed with your key, sent to the location where the data is, and used to sign the data there. Anyone holding your public key can then verify that you signed the (public) key that goes with the signed data, and then verify that the key was used to sign the data, but there's always potential for such a key to be used to sign other pieces of data you didn't mean to sign, if a man-in-the-middle or someone with privileged access to the signing host manages to gain access to the one-time key pair. So it's only really secure if the data and the key are on the same secure host. >> backdoor into everybody's machines: any Red Hat developer can build a >> package that makes to rawhide and, next day, he'll have an army of >> zombies ready to launch his DoS attack against www.mycrosoft.com. Too >> bad there's a typo in the site name ;-) > That is the same for non-Rawhide packages ;-). Sshhh! No one outside the company was supposed to know that ;-) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 02:09:29 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:09:29 -0400 Subject: Saving Home Directory And Other Settings Message-ID: <4182F7D9.6010007@speakeasy.net> I'm downloading RC5 at this time and should have the DVD in a few more hours. I'd like to do a fresh install of RC5, but for once don't want to lose my home directory stuff especially my Mozilla mail folders and filters. What is a good way to save these? Just tar up the .mozilla directory and copy it somewhere, restoring it after the install? (Will Mozilla insist on setting up a new profile, or will it use an existing profile if found?) Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From petr.fischer at praguesoft.cz Sat Oct 30 02:17:52 2004 From: petr.fischer at praguesoft.cz (Petr Fischer) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:17:52 +0200 Subject: smartd, sata over scsi Message-ID: <1099102672.12671.42.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> Hi, maybe wrong list, but will be SMART supported on SATA drives in FC3 final (FC4)? (I need some info from hard discs in RAID array). Thanks, pf From ddollar at blueshiftdesign.com Thu Oct 28 23:14:47 2004 From: ddollar at blueshiftdesign.com (David Dollar) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:14:47 -0400 Subject: powerup hang/freeze Message-ID: <1099005287.4224.1.camel@neon.periodic> When using rhgb, if X fails to start (for any reason, and there are plenty) the boot process hangs. Can we get a useful error message and maybe only take the user to runlevel 3 in this case? How hard would this be? David Dollar From graydon at epiphyte.net Sat Oct 30 02:32:05 2004 From: graydon at epiphyte.net (Graydon) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:32:05 -0400 Subject: Saving Home Directory And Other Settings In-Reply-To: <4182F7D9.6010007@speakeasy.net> References: <4182F7D9.6010007@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20041030023205.GA30173@uniserve.com> On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:09:29PM -0400, Robert L Cochran scripsit: > I'm downloading RC5 at this time and should have the DVD in a few more > hours. I'd like to do a fresh install of RC5, but for once don't want to > lose my home directory stuff especially my Mozilla mail folders and > filters. What is a good way to save these? Just tar up the .mozilla > directory and copy it somewhere, restoring it after the install? (Will > Mozilla insist on setting up a new profile, or will it use an existing > profile if found?) It will use the existing profile if found. However, why not keep /home on its own partition, and just not reformat it when you do the install? That way you keep everything. This is what I do, and it works fine; I don't know what 'automatically partition' does (I've never used it :) but DiskDruid certainly gives you the option to leave a partition untouched. ("preserve data") From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 02:37:11 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:37:11 -0400 Subject: Saving Home Directory And Other Settings In-Reply-To: <20041030023205.GA30173@uniserve.com> References: <4182F7D9.6010007@speakeasy.net> <20041030023205.GA30173@uniserve.com> Message-ID: <4182FE57.8020804@speakeasy.net> Graydon wrote: >On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:09:29PM -0400, Robert L Cochran scripsit: > > >>I'm downloading RC5 at this time and should have the DVD in a few more >>hours. I'd like to do a fresh install of RC5, but for once don't want to >>lose my home directory stuff especially my Mozilla mail folders and >>filters. What is a good way to save these? Just tar up the .mozilla >>directory and copy it somewhere, restoring it after the install? (Will >>Mozilla insist on setting up a new profile, or will it use an existing >>profile if found?) >> >> > >It will use the existing profile if found. > >However, why not keep /home on its own partition, and just not reformat >it when you do the install? That way you keep everything. > >This is what I do, and it works fine; I don't know what 'automatically >partition' does (I've never used it :) but DiskDruid certainly gives you >the option to leave a partition untouched. ("preserve data") > > > The lightbulb goes on now! Thanks for the suggestion. Bob From balay at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 30 02:42:04 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:42:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: powerup hang/freeze In-Reply-To: <1099005287.4224.1.camel@neon.periodic> References: <1099005287.4224.1.camel@neon.periodic> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, David Dollar wrote: > When using rhgb, if X fails to start (for any reason, and there are > plenty) the boot process hangs. Can we get a useful error message and > maybe only take the user to runlevel 3 in this case? How hard would this > be? Feel free to add to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135574 Satish From prigault at oricom.ca Sat Oct 30 03:23:20 2004 From: prigault at oricom.ca (Philippe Rigault) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:23:20 -0400 Subject: FC3-rc2 problems In-Reply-To: <200410282257.18098.prigault@oricom.ca> References: <200410282257.18098.prigault@oricom.ca> Message-ID: <200410292323.20651.prigault@oricom.ca> > 3. Hardware-specific: > 3.1 After install, the Inspiron 7000 hangs during 'Starting udev', I have > to Ctrl+C to stop udev launch and continue booting. I will look into that. I can now say that it hangs during execution of /sbin/start_udev . Actually, this step occasionally succeeds (twice our of 10 times so far). Another big problem in FC3 is the failure to detect and enable PS/2 mouse. From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 30 04:59:29 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Nifty Hat Mitch) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:59:29 -0700 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Yes...resign and rsync... In-Reply-To: <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> A cast of thousands.... wrote: Most people think that yes is the right answer. The question is how to get there without compromising the RH key management and slowing the process. > > > If Red Hat can use one of these methods, they can easily do both (It's > > > seems). ..... > Since rawhide have some unsigned packages I like to know which package > is not signed and I sign them with my key (so yum always have > "gpgcheck=1") : > I mirror rawhide in the i386 directory with rsync, and then I sign > package that miss gpg. > Note, I don't sign (that is, change) any package in i386 directory > (rsync does not like this). The comment about rsync is interesting. The question may be: How does rsync like a package being signed or better yet resigned at some later time? As I understand it the gpg signature is a modest structure and resigning an rpm does not so badly mess up a file that rsync cannot optimize the change as long as the keys have the same length. To test I picked on something big and network rude to change and test. Thus... Grab the original and make a copy. $ cp /var/spool/up2date/openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm . $ ls -l up2date/openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm .... 179025625 Oct 22 09:04 openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm $ cp openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm bar.rpm Now resign the original $ rpm --resign openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm Enter pass phrase: Pass phrase is good. openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm: Now compare the two files. $ cmp -l openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm bar.rpm | wc 108 324 1944 Looking at the output of cmp Bytes 231--417 change Check and rpm does the expected. $ rpm -Kv openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm bar.rpm openoffice.org-1.1.2-10.fc2.src.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 0f31a698 Header SHA1 digest: OK (2d788eccf1c994a88303fbc9a3e4efbed3d1525a) MD5 digest: OK (1f472d22bc7042d386fb603babbadee7) V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 0f31a698 bar.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 Header SHA1 digest: OK (2d788eccf1c994a88303fbc9a3e4efbed3d1525a) MD5 digest: OK (1f472d22bc7042d386fb603babbadee7) V3 DSA signature: OK, key ID 4f2a6fd2 This tells me that any personal package builder key can be used and later the dude with the big key can resign the packages with little network impact. Unimported keys like mine will look like NOKEY line above. SHA1 header is a constant as is MD5. Later in the day or on Monday morning.... The guy with the big key ring can verify that the package was signed by someone he knows and resign it with a famous rawhide key. This way all packages will always be signed. This way the famous RH rawhide key has a very short list of keepers. This way modest changes by resigning can be propagated by rsync. This way packages can get signed by RH eventually. Those of us that are impatient can install a package --nosig as we do today even if the engineer signatures are not published. What did I miss beyond the detail that not all the world uses rsync for mirrors. -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From weirdo at bearchele.com Sat Oct 30 05:33:42 2004 From: weirdo at bearchele.com (Nicolas Kassis) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:33:42 -0400 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099059790.3651.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> <1099059790.3651.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418327B6.3030706@bearchele.com> I've been having the same probs with the other realeses. Didn't try rc3 yet. The md5 always match but something happens when I burn them. Nic Kim Lux wrote: >I burnt ISO disk 3 and 4 of rc3 yesterday using K3B on FC3T3 with no >problems. > >On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:21 +0200, Peter wrote: > > >>I'm unable to burn CD 3 & 4 of RC3 (i386) so that is passes the media >>check process. I used 6 diferent media and 2 different burners, all >>without success. MD4sum is OK for the downloaded files. Does anyone else >>have this prob or did I miss some previous posts? >> >>Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From dax at gurulabs.com Sat Oct 30 05:43:53 2004 From: dax at gurulabs.com (Dax Kelson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:43:53 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099115032.3697.5.camel@mentorng.gurulabs.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 15:03, Elliot Lee wrote: > For your weekend enjoyment, please try: > > http://fedora.linux.duke.edu/FC3-rc/3/ > http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/ > ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/ > rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/ > http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ (still syncing, should be ready by 8pm EDT Oct 29.) Thanks very much for the rsync'able ISOs. I was able to turn my FC3rc1 ISOs into FC3r3 ISOs quickly and easily: rsync -v --stats --progress rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Fedora.RC/3/i386/iso/FC3-i386-disc?.iso . SunSITE.MFF.CUni.CZ 2TB archive FC3-i386-disc1.iso 647069696 100% 338.67kB/s 0:31:05 (1, 25.0% of 4) FC3-i386-disc2.iso 668514304 100% 875.45kB/s 0:12:25 (2, 50.0% of 4) FC3-i386-disc3.iso 667525120 100% 652.62kB/s 0:16:38 (3, 75.0% of 4) FC3-i386-disc4.iso 398049280 100% 726.60kB/s 0:08:54 (4, 100.0% of 4) Number of files: 4 Number of files transferred: 4 Total file size: 2381158400 bytes Total transferred file size: 2381158400 bytes Literal data: 437885576 bytes Matched data: 1943272824 bytes File list size: 85 Total bytes written: 584958 Total bytes read: 438256342 wrote 584958 bytes read 438256342 bytes 104672.94 bytes/sec total size is 2381158400 speedup is 5.43 From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 30 08:36:22 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:36:22 +0100 Subject: Key bindings for apps Message-ID: <1099125382.18887.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, Is there anyway that I can change a key binding on Evolution? I'm that used to ctrl-w for delete (emacs) that I keep hitting it on Evolution which, of course, kills the app. TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Oct 30 08:42:28 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 30 Oct 2004 05:42:28 -0300 Subject: Install "Askmethod" support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 29, 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. It is. At least when doing kickstart installs, it works for me. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 10:19:59 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:19:59 +0200 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <1099093177.9649.45.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1099084029.28578.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099084763.28578.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099087502.3429.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041029222215.GC1373@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> <1099089902.9532.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099091512.9649.32.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1099092645.9532.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099093177.9649.45.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1099131599.11611.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 19:39 -0400, Paul Iadonisi a ?crit : > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:30, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Two examples from the FC2 cycle come to mind that might have caused > > > problems: evolution 1.5 and selinux. > > > > During Release Candidat ? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From mandreiana at rdslink.ro Sat Oct 30 10:29:43 2004 From: mandreiana at rdslink.ro (Marius Andreiana) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:29:43 +0300 Subject: /lib/iptables/libipt_log.so: cannot open shared object file In-Reply-To: <20041029194536.3ae66700.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1099067937.18087.3.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> <20041029194536.3ae66700.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1099132183.4104.16.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:45 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:38:57 +0300, Marius Andreiana wrote: > > > Hi > > > > When adding > > -A OUTPUT -j LOG > > to /etc/syconfig/iptables I get > > service iptables restart > > Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] > > Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: filter nat [ OK ] > > Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] > > Applying iptables firewall rules: iptables-restore v1.2.11: Couldn't > > load target `log':/lib/iptables/libipt_log.so: cannot open shared object > > file: No such file or directory > > > > Error occurred at line: 92 > > Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more > > information. > > > > Using FC3t2. The command line > > iptables -A OUTPUT -j LOG > > works. iptables-save gives > > > > > > > > *filter > > :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > > :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] > > :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > > -A OUTPUT -j log > > > > COMMIT > > > > Putting just this in /etc/sysconfig/iptables gives the same error on > > restart. > > When did you add "-j log" and not "-j LOG"? You found that "-j LOG" > works, so don't use "-j log". I used LOG initially and on command line. iptables-save returned it with "log". -- Marius Andreiana Galuna - Solutii Linux in Romania http://www.galuna.ro From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 10:43:12 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:43:12 +0200 Subject: Heads up for a possible install issue with FC3rcX this weekend. In-Reply-To: <1099090146.29464.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099090146.29464.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099132992.11611.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 16:49 -0600, Kim Lux a ?crit : > > [Bug 137650] New: Install reports > "Probably out of disk space" when > copying install image. > Date: > Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:30:41 -0400 > (16:30 MDT) > > (snip) > > The partition settings were: > > /dev/hda1: XP 20 GB > /dev/hda2: /boot 100 MB ext3 > /dev/hda3: swap 1 GB > /dev/hda4: logical > /dev/hda5: / remainder, ext3 > Perhaps it's bug in the cdrom driver. Try the hard disk install method. Create : /dev/hda5 : 3 Go for iso, ext3 (perhaps vfat should work). /dev/hda6 : / remainder, ext3 Copy binary iso to /dev/hda5 copy vmlinuz and initrd from CD1 to /boot/fc3rc3/ . Add this to your grub.conf : title fc3rc3 - install kernel /boot/fc3rc3/vmlinuz ramdisk_size=8192 askmethod initrd /boot/fc3rc3/initrd.img If you do not want to touch /boot partition, with the CD1, use "linux askmethod". Feed your bug with the result. Check other consoles , , ... during the installation. Add /root/anaconda-ks.cfg, /root/install.log, /root/install.log.syslog to bugzilla. Hope this help. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The command line > > > iptables -A OUTPUT -j LOG > > > works. iptables-save gives > > > > > > > > > > > > *filter > > > :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > > > :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] > > > :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] > > > -A OUTPUT -j log > > > > > > COMMIT > > > > > > Putting just this in /etc/sysconfig/iptables gives the same error on > > > restart. > > > > When did you add "-j log" and not "-j LOG"? You found that "-j LOG" > > works, so don't use "-j log". > I used LOG initially and on command line. iptables-save returned it with > "log". Can't reproduce with Test2 (iptables-1.2.11-2) and neither with Test3 (iptables-1.2.11-3.1), and no package changelog entry refers to any such symptoms. I still believe you edited /etc/sysconfig/iptables manually and added "-j log" there. The empty line in front of COMMIT backs up that theory. -- Fedora Core release 2.92 (FC3 Test 3) - Linux 2.6.9-1.640 loadavg: 0.56 0.62 0.27 From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 10:57:40 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:57:40 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Yes...resign and rsync... In-Reply-To: <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> References: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> Message-ID: <1099133860.11611.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2004 ? 21:59 -0700, Nifty Hat Mitch a ?crit : > The comment about rsync is interesting. > > The question may be: > How does rsync like a package being signed or better yet resigned > at some later time? > > As I understand it the gpg signature is a modest structure and > resigning an rpm does not so badly mess up a file that rsync cannot > optimize the change as long as the keys have the same length. > > To test I picked on something big and network rude to change and test. > Thus... > The problem is that all changed rpm would be check again at the next invocation of rsync. When there is about 1 Go of unsigned rpm, this mean that the client _and_ the server should read 1 Go of data (even if a small part of the data have changed). The mirror don't like this. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From rodd at clarkson.id.au Sat Oct 30 10:59:26 2004 From: rodd at clarkson.id.au (Rodd Clarkson) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:59:26 +1000 Subject: Evolution Questions??? In-Reply-To: <1099092780.4165.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099092780.4165.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099133966.9886.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 16:33 -0700, William Hewitt wrote: > I am testing FC RC3 and it seems that the Summary (RDF) View is gone > in Evolution? Was it removed or is there something wrong with my > install? The summary was removed in the change from 1.4 to 2.x. It was essentially an RSS feed and it was decided (by the evolution hackers) that other standalone RSS feed clients were far more suitable than theirs, so people would be better off if they didn't. R. -- >From the pain come the dream >From the dream come the vision >From the vision come the people >From the people come the power >From this power come the change - Peter Gabriel From maze at cela.pl Sat Oct 30 12:24:25 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:24:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: IPv6 Message-ID: Just a quick idea. It would probably be useful to include a global 'disable/enable IPv6' option in the installer. Having IPv6 enabled causes Mozilla DNS lookups to take ages in some areas - depends on DNS servers involved (basically it has to wait for IPv6 resolution to timeout). This can be achieved by 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modprobe.conf or by physically removing the IPv6 addresses from the interfaces (ip addr del ::1/128 dev lo; ip addr del dev eth0;) Comments? Cheers, MaZe. From reader at newsguy.com Sat Oct 30 12:33:37 2004 From: reader at newsguy.com (Harry Putnam) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:33:37 -0500 Subject: Yum looking for wrong file In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102716221702e45@mail.gmail.com> (Jeff Spaleta's message of "Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:22:50 -0400") References: <604aa79104102716221702e45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff Spaleta writes: >> PS- If I run yum the same way but aimed at the real repo it finds the >> correct file. > assuming i386 tree: > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/repodata/ > > are you mirroring everything in that directory? Sorry to be so late with this reply... No, but not on purpose. For some reason that directory doesn't get mirrored. I'm using an older tool called mirrordir for the job. It seems to mirror the other stuff with no problems. Is there symlinking or something involved on the source site? (http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/repodata/) Doesn't appear to be anything unusual about it in my view from ncftp. I'm investigating my setup now. From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Oct 30 12:46:09 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:46:09 +0200 Subject: IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1099140368.4513.0.camel@kyrre> Also in FC3? I thougth this problem went away when FC3 came (comes). l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 14.24 skrev Maciej ?enczykowski: > Just a quick idea. > It would probably be useful to include a global 'disable/enable IPv6' > option in the installer. > Having IPv6 enabled causes Mozilla DNS lookups to take ages in some areas > - depends on DNS servers involved (basically it has to wait for IPv6 > resolution to timeout). > This can be achieved by 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modprobe.conf or by > physically removing the IPv6 addresses from the interfaces (ip addr del > ::1/128 dev lo; ip addr del dev eth0;) > > Comments? > > Cheers, > MaZe. From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 30 13:19:24 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:19:24 +0100 Subject: Urgent - Potential security hole. Message-ID: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I think I've found a hole! I logged into this box from work yesterday via ssh, compiled Mono and some other bits then decided to try if I could run a C# app from this machine and view it at work. I don't have X forwarding enabled and can see this by trying to run Firefox on this machine when logged into my sons box - firefox fails to run. The C# application ran and I could use it at work. I'm using the 643 kernel with everything updated. I'm not sure if this is a mono thing or X forwarding being broken. I'm using selinux targetted. This could be a serious problem and I want to be sure before putting it into bugzilla as a blocker. TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 13:29:11 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:29:11 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41839727.4090508@speakeasy.net> Elliot Lee wrote: >For your weekend enjoyment, please try: > >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ (still syncing, should be ready by 8pm EDT Oct 29.) > > > Was the x86_64 stuff synced into this? I get the impression from the date stamps that they were not. Bob From jakub at redhat.com Sat Oct 30 13:32:52 2004 From: jakub at redhat.com (Jakub Jelinek) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:32:52 -0400 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <41839727.4090508@speakeasy.net> References: <41839727.4090508@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20041030133252.GW12650@devserv.devel.redhat.com> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 09:29:11AM -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >For your weekend enjoyment, please try: > > > >http://testing.fedora.redhat.com/tree/ (still syncing, should be ready by > >8pm EDT Oct 29.) > > > > > > > Was the x86_64 stuff synced into this? I get the impression from the > date stamps that they were not. Just compare the MD5SUMs file in the x86_64 tree and you'll see that it has not been synced. Use the remaining two mirrors for x86_64 for now... Jakub From maze at cela.pl Sat Oct 30 13:32:42 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:32:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: IPv6 In-Reply-To: <1099140368.4513.0.camel@kyrre> References: <1099140368.4513.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: Don't know about FC3, was just performing some maintenance routine work on an FC2 box and ran across this again. Don't currently have the HDD space nor the bandwidth to give FC3 a test drive, especially seeing how rapidly the ISOs are changing lately (nb. why no jigdo releases?). Anyway seeing how this is trivial to fix, and not being sure whether it was fixed or not, decided to bring this up to the attention of the list. Cheers, MaZe. On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Also in FC3? I thougth this problem went away when FC3 came (comes). > > l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 14.24 skrev Maciej ?enczykowski: > > Just a quick idea. > > It would probably be useful to include a global 'disable/enable IPv6' > > option in the installer. > > Having IPv6 enabled causes Mozilla DNS lookups to take ages in some areas > > - depends on DNS servers involved (basically it has to wait for IPv6 > > resolution to timeout). > > This can be achieved by 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modprobe.conf or by > > physically removing the IPv6 addresses from the interfaces (ip addr del > > ::1/128 dev lo; ip addr del dev eth0;) > > > > Comments? > > > > Cheers, > > MaZe. > > From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 13:42:29 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:42:29 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> Gerry Tool wrote: > I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. > Printing to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a bug > (#133064) that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print server > fails, but ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. > > Gerry Tool > Just did fresh install of FC3 RC5 from DVD. LPD server printing still not working. This is kernel 649. Gerry From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Oct 30 14:01:00 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:01:00 +0200 Subject: Install "Askmethod" support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099144859.9261.7.camel@kyrre> Doing kickstart installs with the "ask every question" option set (dont run through) then should be a good idea... l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 10.42 skrev Alexandre Oliva: > On Oct 29, 2004, Kim Lux wrote: > > > I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. > > It is. At least when doing kickstart installs, it works for me. > > -- > Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ > Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} > Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sat Oct 30 14:03:17 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:03:17 +0200 Subject: FC3-rc2 problems In-Reply-To: <200410292323.20651.prigault@oricom.ca> References: <200410282257.18098.prigault@oricom.ca> <200410292323.20651.prigault@oricom.ca> Message-ID: <1099144997.9261.10.camel@kyrre> l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 05.23 skrev Philippe Rigault: > > 3. Hardware-specific: > > 3.1 After install, the Inspiron 7000 hangs during 'Starting udev', I have > > to Ctrl+C to stop udev launch and continue booting. I will look into that. > > I can now say that it hangs during execution of /sbin/start_udev . Actually, > this step occasionally succeeds (twice our of 10 times so far). > > Another big problem in FC3 is the failure to detect and enable PS/2 mouse. That would be a problem, yes. Reported it? In older FC/RH releases, all i have to do to get the mouse working is plug it in. Even if there are touchpads, stics, or USB-mice already attached. From prigault at oricom.ca Sat Oct 30 14:13:40 2004 From: prigault at oricom.ca (Philippe Rigault) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:13:40 -0400 Subject: Another boot freeze Message-ID: <200410301013.40141.prigault@oricom.ca> Just filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137672 Boot process hangs when starting X. This one happens with AND without rhgb, so I would rate it as more severe. From asantini at movinet.com.uy Sat Oct 30 12:27:14 2004 From: asantini at movinet.com.uy (aldo santini) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:27:14 -0400 Subject: kernel source missing Message-ID: <1099139234.8062.5.camel@bigserver> yesterday I had succes upgrading my FC2 with development packages. Everything seems to work except does programs that need glx. i couldn't find the kernel-source pkg. I tried "yum install kernel-source" and "yum install kernel-sourcecode" with no luck. so I can't rebuild my nvidia driver. does any one knows where I can find it? or this is a known issue? thanks -- aldo santini From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 14:38:29 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:38:29 +0200 Subject: kernel source missing In-Reply-To: <1099139234.8062.5.camel@bigserver> References: <1099139234.8062.5.camel@bigserver> Message-ID: <1099147109.3357.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 30 octobre 2004 ? 08:27 -0400, aldo santini a ?crit : > yesterday I had succes upgrading my FC2 with development packages. > Everything seems to work except does programs that need glx. i couldn't > find the kernel-source pkg. I tried "yum install kernel-source" and "yum > install kernel-sourcecode" with no luck. so I can't rebuild my nvidia > driver. does any one knows where I can find it? or this is a known > issue? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130754 btw, you don't need kernel-sourcecode to build nvidia driver. nvidia have some troubles with udev : http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev/ > thanks > -- > aldo santini > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From trey at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 30 14:53:06 2004 From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:53:06 -0400 Subject: Yum and up2date repositories for FC3rc3 ? In-Reply-To: <1099077383.3958.231.camel@kyrre> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> <1099076784.27233.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099077383.3958.231.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099147986.14041.1.camel@salamander.thesizemores.net> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 21:16 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Kim Lux: > > Are there special repositories for rc3 or do we use the rawhide > > repositories ? > > > > How many people are testing rc3 ? > > DONT TOP POST!!! PLEASE create a new thread (hit "new", not reply). This > is *really* annoying for people who use threaded mail viewers (such as > Evolution (control+T), the archive or about every mailer around...) - > they like to see things like the main post, and then the replies like > branches from this post. When you top post, your post look like one of > those branches. > > This also has a negative effect to you, because if you dont care about > bugzilla, frankly you dont care if somebody replies that it broken. You > just check read, read, read... until they not longer are glowing bold > anymore. > > Get it? > > DONT TOP POST!!! Dude- A piece of advice...get outside in the sun for a little bit. I don't like thread hijacking and top posting much either, but GEEEZZ! Breathe in...breath out...repeat. -- Cheers, Trey --- Humor is the only test of gravity, and gravity of humor; for a subject which will not bear raillery is suspicious, and a jest which will not bear serious examination is false wit. -- Aristotle 10:51am up 3 days 11:40, 2 users, load average: 0.26, 0.29, 0.33 Linux salamander 2.6.8-20041025161453-default #1 Mon Oct 25 16:14:53 UTC 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1099147986.14041.1.camel@salamander.thesizemores.net> References: <1099071490.26566.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099073949.4019.204.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099074352.27233.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099076398.3958.208.camel@kyrre> <1099076784.27233.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099077383.3958.231.camel@kyrre> <1099147986.14041.1.camel@salamander.thesizemores.net> Message-ID: <4183B297.8060507@speakeasy.net> Trey Sizemore wrote: >On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 21:16 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > >>fre, 29.10.2004 kl. 21.06 skrev Kim Lux: >> >> >>>Are there special repositories for rc3 or do we use the rawhide >>>repositories ? >>> >>>How many people are testing rc3 ? >>> >>> >>DONT TOP POST!!! PLEASE create a new thread (hit "new", not reply). This >>is *really* annoying for people who use threaded mail viewers (such as >>Evolution (control+T), the archive or about every mailer around...) - >>they like to see things like the main post, and then the replies like >>branches from this post. When you top post, your post look like one of >>those branches. >> >>This also has a negative effect to you, because if you dont care about >>bugzilla, frankly you dont care if somebody replies that it broken. You >>just check read, read, read... until they not longer are glowing bold >>anymore. >> >>Get it? >> >>DONT TOP POST!!! >> >> > >Dude- > >A piece of advice...get outside in the sun for a little bit. > >I don't like thread hijacking and top posting much either, but GEEEZZ! > >Breathe in...breath out...repeat. > > > Yes, do get outside for some sun. Try to cool off. Bob From jeffy5 at optonline.net Sat Oct 30 15:28:56 2004 From: jeffy5 at optonline.net (Jeffrey D. Yuille) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:28:56 -0400 Subject: FC3 RC3 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200410301128.56779.jeffy5@optonline.net> On Friday 29 October 2004 08:23 pm, Gerry Tool wrote: > I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. Printing > to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a bug (#133064) > that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print server fails, but > ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. > > Gerry Tool For the Record, I have also installed Fedora Core 3 and I am also having problems with network printing, the only difference that I am having is with connecting to a remote CUPS server on my local network. This seems to be a problem also when I had Fedora Core 2 installed as well. Ironically, when I had a different distribution of Linux on my server, the other computers could "see" the print server without having to set up printing through the KDE print manager. This bug needs to be worked out before the official release. Jeff D. Yuille From balay at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 30 15:54:35 2004 From: balay at fastmail.fm (Satish Balay) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:54:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Urgent - Potential security hole. In-Reply-To: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I think I've found a hole! > > I logged into this box from work yesterday via ssh, compiled Mono and > some other bits then decided to try if I could run a C# app from this > machine and view it at work. > > I don't have X forwarding enabled and can see this by trying to run > Firefox on this machine when logged into my sons box - firefox fails to > run. > > The C# application ran and I could use it at work. > > I'm using the 643 kernel with everything updated. I'm not sure if this > is a mono thing or X forwarding being broken. I'm using selinux > targetted. > > This could be a serious problem and I want to be sure before putting it > into bugzilla as a blocker. You mention 3 different machines 'this box', 'work', 'sons box'. - and don't quantify any of them correctly. (which OSes do they run?) Older ssh by default does 'X11Forwarding' (so firefox should work). New version of ssh on FC3 requires '-y' option to do the same. If you ssh into FC3 (from a different machine with older ssh) - you can run firefox. If you ssh from FC3 into any other machine - you need 'ssh -y' for it to work. Note: this is ssh client side option. Satish From sandy_pond at myrealbox.com Sat Oct 30 16:12:08 2004 From: sandy_pond at myrealbox.com (Sandy Pond) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:12:08 -0400 Subject: FC3 RC5 - /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_default_win_scale Message-ID: <1099152728.4046.4.camel@family> Hi, Just upgraded from FC2 to FC3 RC5. This line was added to /etc/rc.local: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_default_win_scale However, there is no such file. Maybe this was suposed to be: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling Presently: # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling 1 -- Sandy Pond From prigault at oricom.ca Sat Oct 30 16:11:50 2004 From: prigault at oricom.ca (Philippe Rigault) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:11:50 -0400 Subject: Desktop device icons not working (KDE) Message-ID: <200410301211.50816.prigault@oricom.ca> Just filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137682 Problem: devices configured with (old) /dev addresses and not udev. Cheers, Philippe From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 16:13:06 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:13:06 -0400 Subject: Urgent - Potential security hole. In-Reply-To: References: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4183BD92.1090608@speakeasy.net> Satish Balay wrote: >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Paul wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I think I've found a hole! >> >>I logged into this box from work yesterday via ssh, compiled Mono and >>some other bits then decided to try if I could run a C# app from this >>machine and view it at work. >> >>I don't have X forwarding enabled and can see this by trying to run >>Firefox on this machine when logged into my sons box - firefox fails to >>run. >> >>The C# application ran and I could use it at work. >> >>I'm using the 643 kernel with everything updated. I'm not sure if this >>is a mono thing or X forwarding being broken. I'm using selinux >>targetted. >> >>This could be a serious problem and I want to be sure before putting it >>into bugzilla as a blocker. >> >> > >You mention 3 different machines 'this box', 'work', 'sons box'. - and >don't quantify any of them correctly. (which OSes do they run?) > >Older ssh by default does 'X11Forwarding' (so firefox should >work). New version of ssh on FC3 requires '-y' option to do the same. > >If you ssh into FC3 (from a different machine with older ssh) - you >can run firefox. If you ssh from FC3 into any other machine - you >need 'ssh -y' for it to work. > >Note: this is ssh client side option. > >Satish > > > I agree with Satish. Read the release notes for RC5. There is a section on openssh. Bob From sandy_pond at myrealbox.com Sat Oct 30 16:19:45 2004 From: sandy_pond at myrealbox.com (Sandy Pond) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:19:45 -0400 Subject: FC3 RC5 - /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_default_win_scale In-Reply-To: <1099152728.4046.4.camel@family> References: <1099152728.4046.4.camel@family> Message-ID: <1099153185.4046.9.camel@family> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 12:12 -0400, Sandy Pond wrote: > Hi, > > Just upgraded from FC2 to FC3 RC5. This line was added > to /etc/rc.local: > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_default_win_scale > > However, there is no such file. > > Maybe this was suposed to be: > > echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling > > Presently: > > # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling > 1 > My bad :) This was my entry and the name was changed in the kernel. Has to do with buggy routers. See: http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/7/6/156 -- Sandy Pond From paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk Sat Oct 30 16:46:38 2004 From: paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:46:38 +0100 Subject: Urgent - Potential security hole. In-Reply-To: References: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099154798.18887.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, > You mention 3 different machines 'this box', 'work', 'sons box'. - and > don't quantify any of them correctly. (which OSes do they run?) Work : FC2, this box, FC3t3, sons FC2 > If you ssh into FC3 (from a different machine with older ssh) - you > can run firefox. If you ssh from FC3 into any other machine - you > need 'ssh -y' for it to work. > > Note: this is ssh client side option. Thanks. For one moment I thought I'd found a bomb! TTFN Paul -- "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Det. Sledgehammer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alexander -- Alexander Dalloz | Enger, Germany | GPG key 1024D/ED695653 1999-07-13 Fedora GNU/Linux Core 2 (Tettnang) kernel 2.6.8-1.521smp Serendipity 18:50:13 up 10 days, 15:29, load average: 0.76, 0.35, 0.23 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil URL: From michal at harddata.com Sat Oct 30 17:06:13 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:13 -0600 Subject: Urgent - Potential security hole. In-Reply-To: ; from balay@fastmail.fm on Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 10:54:35AM -0500 References: <1099142364.18887.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20041030110613.A16072@mail.harddata.com> On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 10:54:35AM -0500, Satish Balay wrote: > > If you ssh into FC3 (from a different machine with older ssh) - you > can run firefox. If you ssh from FC3 into any other machine - you > need 'ssh -y' for it to work. Actually this is '-Y' and not '-y' and this makes a difference. :-) There is another problem, though. 'man ssh' says: X11 and TCP forwarding If the ForwardX11 variable is set to "yes" (or see the description of the -X and -x options described later) and the user is using X11 (the DISPLAY environment variable is set), the connection to the X11 display is auto- matically forwarded to the remote side in such a way that any X11 pro- grams started from the shell (or command) will go through the encrypted channel, and the connection to the real X server will be made from the local machine. and not a peep about some '-Y'. It is true that some other places you can find some mentions about "trusted" but what "trusted" may be is never really explained. I guess that this is a bugzilla material. I will try to check if it is already there. Michal From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 17:46:21 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:46:21 +0200 Subject: kernel provide 2.6.9. Too bad. Message-ID: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here is the problem : # rpm -q kernel kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel-2.6.9-1.649.mat.1 # rpm -q --provides kernel kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.649.mat.1 # rpm -q --requires -p kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.i686.rpm /bin/sh /sbin/depmod kernel = 2.6.9-1.649 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 # rpm -i kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.i686.rpm error: Failed dependencies: kernel = 2.6.9-1.649 is needed by kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.i686 This "error", is normal. Install the "right" packages : # rpm -i --fileconflicts(*) kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1.i686.rpm # rpm -i --fileconflicts(*) kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686.rpm Try to remove a kernel (2.6.9-1.643.mat.1) # rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 error: Failed dependencies: kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 is needed by (installed) kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1.i686 This "error", is normal. Add kernel-2.6.9-1.649 # rpm -i --fileconflicts(*) --oldpackage kernel-2.6.9-1.649.i686.rpm Fine. Try to remove a kernel (2.6.9-1.643.mat.1) again # rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 No error ! # find /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.643.mat.1/ -type f /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.643.mat.1/kernel/extra/unicorn_pci_atm.ko # rpm -q --provides kernel-2.6.9-1.649 kernel = 2.6.9 <===== Why ? kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.649 Can you please remove "Provides: kernel = %{version}" from the kernel .spec file ? Should I file this in bugzilla ? (*) : Errr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 17:48:25 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:48:25 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC3 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <200410301128.56779.jeffy5@optonline.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <200410301128.56779.jeffy5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4183D3E9.1090805@earthlink.net> Jeffrey D. Yuille wrote: > On Friday 29 October 2004 08:23 pm, Gerry Tool wrote: > >>I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. Printing >>to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a bug (#133064) >>that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print server fails, but >>ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. >> >>Gerry Tool > > For the Record, > > I have also installed Fedora Core 3 and I am also having problems with > network printing, the only difference that I am having is with connecting to > a remote CUPS server on my local network. This seems to be a problem also > when I had Fedora Core 2 installed as well. Ironically, when I had a > different distribution of Linux on my server, the other computers could "see" > the print server without having to set up printing through the KDE print > manager. This bug needs to be worked out before the official release. > > > Jeff D. Yuille > It might be useful for you to add your comments to bugzilla #133064. That bug report has been reassigned to the kernel, and even though it is for remote LPD servers, the problem with remote CUPS servers may be from the same root cause. Gerry From sandy_pond at myrealbox.com Sat Oct 30 18:21:32 2004 From: sandy_pond at myrealbox.com (Sandy Pond) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:21:32 -0400 Subject: FC3 RC5 - udev Message-ID: <1099160493.4184.3.camel@family> Is this normal syslog entries when booting FC3 RC5? Oct 30 11:27:12 testsys udev[2757]: creating device node '/dev/vcs1' Oct 30 11:27:12 testsys udev[2758]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa1' Oct 30 11:27:12 testsys udev[2793]: removing device node '/dev/vcs1' Oct 30 11:27:12 testsys udev[2806]: creating device node '/dev/vcs2' Oct 30 11:27:12 testsys udev[2807]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa2' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2886]: creating device node '/dev/vcs4' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2957]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa1' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2956]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa4' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2958]: creating device node '/dev/vcs1' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2986]: removing device node '/dev/vcs2' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2987]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa2' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2988]: removing device node '/dev/vcs4' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2994]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa4' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2971]: creating device node '/dev/vcs5' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2976]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa5' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3011]: removing device node '/dev/vcs5' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3015]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa5' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2977]: creating device node '/dev/vcs6' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2978]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa6' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[2985]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa1' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3023]: removing device node '/dev/vcs6' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3028]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa6' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3002]: creating device node '/dev/vcs2' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3003]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa2' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3005]: creating device node '/dev/vcs4' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3007]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa4' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3017]: creating device node '/dev/vcs5' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3020]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa5' Oct 30 11:27:13 testsys udev[3043]: creating device node '/dev/vcs6' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3109]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa6' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3110]: creating device node '/dev/vcs3' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3113]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa3' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3132]: removing device node '/dev/vcs3' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3135]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa3' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3138]: creating device node '/dev/vcs3' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3144]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa3' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3205]: removing device node '/dev/vcs7' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3206]: removing device node '/dev/vcsa7' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3235]: creating device node '/dev/vcs7' Oct 30 11:27:14 testsys udev[3247]: creating device node '/dev/vcsa7' -- Sandy Pond From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 18:24:09 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:24:09 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> Gerry Tool wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote: > >> I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. >> Printing to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a >> bug (#133064) that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print >> server fails, but ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. >> >> Gerry Tool >> > Just did fresh install of FC3 RC5 from DVD. LPD server printing still > not working. This is kernel 649. > > Gerry > On a tip from Steven Schwartz, I found that if I execute /sbin/service iptables off printing to the remote LPD server works. Of course this is not a valid fix. Any ideas of a correct way to solve the problem? Thanks. Gerry Tool From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 18:32:37 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:32:37 -0500 Subject: Saving Home Directory And Other Settings In-Reply-To: <4182FE57.8020804@speakeasy.net> References: <4182F7D9.6010007@speakeasy.net> <20041030023205.GA30173@uniserve.com> <4182FE57.8020804@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <4183DE45.3080306@earthlink.net> Robert L Cochran wrote: > Graydon wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:09:29PM -0400, Robert L Cochran scripsit: >> >> >>> I'm downloading RC5 at this time and should have the DVD in a few >>> more hours. I'd like to do a fresh install of RC5, but for once >>> don't want to lose my home directory stuff especially my Mozilla >>> mail folders and filters. What is a good way to save these? Just tar >>> up the .mozilla directory and copy it somewhere, restoring it after >>> the install? (Will Mozilla insist on setting up a new profile, or >>> will it use an existing >>> profile if found?) >>> >> >> >> It will use the existing profile if found. >> >> However, why not keep /home on its own partition, and just not reformat >> it when you do the install? That way you keep everything. >> >> This is what I do, and it works fine; I don't know what 'automatically >> partition' does (I've never used it :) but DiskDruid certainly gives you >> the option to leave a partition untouched. ("preserve data") >> >> >> > The lightbulb goes on now! Thanks for the suggestion. > > Bob > I used to use this technique. However, I found that when updating, much of the configuration information in my home directory conflicted with changes in the new software. Now, I use a separate partition called /lnxdata in my case to contain all of my personal data. I make a link to this in my home directory. I can share this partition among multiple versions of Linux. Currently I have FC1, FC2, FC3RC3 in use and they all mount this partition for access to my data files. Rather than update, I save any important directories like e-mail messages, bookmarks, etc. from my home directory, just do a fresh install and let the configuration stuff in my home directory be deleted, allowing fresh configurations for the new installed versions. Gerry Tool From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sat Oct 30 18:31:30 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:31:30 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Yes...resign and rsync... In-Reply-To: <1099133860.11611.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1099133860.11611.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099161090.3398.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 12:57 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > The problem is that all changed rpm would be check again at the next > invocation of rsync. When there is about 1 Go of unsigned rpm, this mean > that the client _and_ the server should read 1 Go of data (even if a > small part of the data have changed). The mirror don't like this. > I'm going to assume that you mean "1GB" (as in gigabyte) since I have no idea what a "Go" is. That being said, one of the beauties of rsync is that it will *not* need to reread the entire file; it will find the changed parts and only transfer those. There may be a small penalty, but certainly not rereading the whole file. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've not had time to look into that further or to see if current > > Fedora x86_64 kernels behave better on them.... > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132947 > > A patch for this issue is known and should be applied to FC3 before it > ships. > > Dan -- From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sat Oct 30 18:41:26 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:41:26 -0600 Subject: IPv6 In-Reply-To: <1099140368.4513.0.camel@kyrre> References: <1099140368.4513.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099161686.3398.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 14:46 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Also in FC3? I thougth this problem went away when FC3 came (comes). > It was still present in FC3-RC1, and I am trying to install RC5 now to see whether it has been corrected. I hugely doubt it, though. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At the very least, I think that adding that line to the file would have been an easy change to make; then debugging why it does not have the desired effect could have been performed later. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Oct 30 19:13:00 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 30 Oct 2004 16:13:00 -0300 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Yes...resign and rsync... In-Reply-To: <1099161090.3398.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1099133860.11611.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099161090.3398.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Oct 30, 2004, "Rodolfo J. Paiz" wrote: > I'm going to assume that you mean "1GB" (as in gigabyte) since I have no > idea what a "Go" is. Giga-octet. You know, bytes don't have to have 8 bits. French is more precise than English, at least in this regard. > That being said, one of the beauties of rsync is > that it will *not* need to reread the entire file Not quite. Both ends will have to reread the entire file, possibly even twice. They won't have to *transfer* the entire file, but for a mirror, disk bandwidth may also be a critical resource. Still, it would be no different from the current situation, in which a package is first published unsigned, and some time next day (or a few days later :-) a signature is stapled to it. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 19:13:40 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:13:40 +0200 Subject: FC3 RC5 - udev In-Reply-To: <1099160493.4184.3.camel@family> References: <1099160493.4184.3.camel@family> Message-ID: <1099163620.3309.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 30 octobre 2004 ? 14:21 -0400, Sandy Pond a ?crit : > Is this normal syslog entries when booting FC3 RC5? > > Oct 30 11:27:12 testsys udev[2757]: creating device node '/dev/vcs1' Yes. Set udev_log to "no" in /etc/udev/udev.conf. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From smooge at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 19:14:22 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:14:22 -0600 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:24:09 -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > Gerry Tool wrote: > > > Gerry Tool wrote: > > > >> I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. > >> Printing to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a > >> bug (#133064) that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print > >> server fails, but ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. > >> > >> Gerry Tool > >> > > Just did fresh install of FC3 RC5 from DVD. LPD server printing still > > not working. This is kernel 649. > > > > Gerry > > > On a tip from Steven Schwartz, I found that if I execute > > /sbin/service iptables off > > printing to the remote LPD server works. > > Of course this is not a valid fix. Any ideas of a correct way to solve > the problem? > What level of the firewall did you select on the install. It might be a valid fix if you set the highest level :). -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Oct 30 19:16:10 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 30 Oct 2004 16:16:10 -0300 Subject: Install "Askmethod" support for a USB or Firewire drive ? In-Reply-To: <1099144859.9261.7.camel@kyrre> References: <1099060392.3965.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099063242.4019.134.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099064935.26566.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099144859.9261.7.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: On Oct 30, 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > Doing kickstart installs with the "ask every question" option set (dont > run through) then should be a good idea... I don't think you actually need to do a kickstart install. I was just saying this was the only situation in which I'd tried it. I very much doubt it wouldn't work for non-kickstart installs. > l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 10.42 skrev Alexandre Oliva: >> On Oct 29, 2004, Kim Lux wrote: >> >> > I'm wondering if it is possible to use askmethod with a USB IDE drive. >> >> It is. At least when doing kickstart installs, it works for me. BTW, you top-posted. This makes you an evil person :-) :-) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From prigault at oricom.ca Sat Oct 30 19:21:41 2004 From: prigault at oricom.ca (Philippe Rigault) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:21:41 -0400 Subject: FC3-rc2 problems Message-ID: <200410301521.41937.prigault@oricom.ca> >> Another big problem in FC3 is the failure to detect and enable PS/2 mouse. > That would be a problem, yes. Reported it? Here you go: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=137691 From aoliva at redhat.com Sat Oct 30 19:21:42 2004 From: aoliva at redhat.com (Alexandre Oliva) Date: 30 Oct 2004 16:21:42 -0300 Subject: EMT64 SMP Test In-Reply-To: <1099161372.1204.406.camel@oscar.metro1.com> References: <1098922868.1204.36.camel@oscar.metro1.com> <1098980271.28086.7.camel@dcbw.boston.redhat.com> <1099161372.1204.406.camel@oscar.metro1.com> Message-ID: On Oct 30, 2004, Sean Bruno wrote: > Can someone confirm this patch has been applied to RC5? It didn't make RC5. Last I heard, Ingo is still looking into the problem. The patch works for me, but I've no clue on what other implications the change may have, so I thought I wouldn't push it too hard. >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132947 >> A patch for this issue is known and should be applied to FC3 before it >> ships. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 19:24:19 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:24:19 -0400 Subject: RC5: Flickering Screen With ATI Radeon 9700 and ViewSonic A90f+ Message-ID: <4183EA63.3070901@speakeasy.net> I just installed FC3 -- RC5. The first time I logged into my account, I added a terminal window application launcher icon to my panel, and promptly opened the terminal window. A few minutes after doing this, an ugly pink flickering started up. the screen would flicker and the window would turn shades of pink from light to medium. Moving in and out of the terminal window (for example, switching focus to a Mozilla window) did not stop the flickering. This is on an ATI Radeon 9700 card -- it's listed as an 9700 Pro although I think it might be an 9700 All In Wonder card -- with a ViewSonic A90f+ running at 1152 X 864 and 'millions of colors'. I decided to 'shut down' the machine and turn it on again and see if that would help (that is, remove the flickering). This gave me a scare for a few moments because suddenly there was no output at all to my monitor! No BIOS messages...no Grub menu...just a steadily glowing 'power' LED. I pressed the system 'reset' button once with the same effect. I tried it again after turning the monitor off and then on and that restored my video output! After a successful reboot, the flickering problem did go away. But while checking my display settings, I brought up Applications --> System Settings --> Display and that restarted the flickering. Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 19:31:22 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:31:22 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Yes...resign and rsync... In-Reply-To: <1099161090.3398.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1099133860.11611.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099161090.3398.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099164682.3309.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 30 octobre 2004 ? 12:31 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 12:57 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > The problem is that all changed rpm would be check again at the next > > invocation of rsync. When there is about 1 Go of unsigned rpm, this mean > > that the client _and_ the server should read 1 Go of data (even if a > > small part of the data have changed). The mirror don't like this. > > > > I'm going to assume that you mean "1GB" (as in gigabyte) since I have no > idea what a "Go" is. Go : Gigaoctet. It's universally used in french :-) octet = byte > That being said, one of the beauties of rsync is > that it will *not* need to reread the entire file; It need if date/size don't correspond in the client and server. It also write the entire file. Check "--inplace" option (introduced in rsync V2.6.3). > it will find the > changed parts and only transfer those. There may be a small penalty Small penalty transfer. But reading 1 Go^UGB of data is a big penalty. > , but > certainly not rereading the whole file. How rsync know where the file has changed if it don't read the entire file ? One solution is to use "--ignore-existing" (not suitable with "--inplace"). But sometimes Red Hat sign packages after they had introduce the package in Rawhide. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sat Oct 30 19:41:39 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:41:39 -0600 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Yes...resign and rsync... In-Reply-To: <1099164682.3309.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1099133860.11611.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099161090.3398.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099164682.3309.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099165299.3398.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 21:31 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Small penalty transfer. But reading 1 Go^UGB of data is a big penalty. > Point taken. On the other hand, how often is the batch of unsigned packages that large? Does that happen often? Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 19:42:11 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:42:11 -0400 Subject: RC5: Flickering Screen With ATI Radeon 9700 and ViewSonic A90f+ In-Reply-To: <4183EA63.3070901@speakeasy.net> References: <4183EA63.3070901@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <4183EE93.9060208@speakeasy.net> Robert L Cochran wrote: > I just installed FC3 -- RC5. The first time I logged into my account, > I added a terminal window application launcher icon to my panel, and > promptly opened the terminal window. A few minutes after doing this, > an ugly pink flickering started up. the screen would flicker and the > window would turn shades of pink from light to medium. Moving in and > out of the terminal window (for example, switching focus to a Mozilla > window) did not stop the flickering. > > This is on an ATI Radeon 9700 card -- it's listed as an 9700 Pro > although I think it might be an 9700 All In Wonder card -- with a > ViewSonic A90f+ running at 1152 X 864 and 'millions of colors'. > > I decided to 'shut down' the machine and turn it on again and see if > that would help (that is, remove the flickering). This gave me a scare > for a few moments because suddenly there was no output at all to my > monitor! No BIOS messages...no Grub menu...just a steadily glowing > 'power' LED. I pressed the system 'reset' button once with the same > effect. I tried it again after turning the monitor off and then on and > that restored my video output! > After a successful reboot, the flickering problem did go away. But > while checking my display settings, I brought up Applications --> > System Settings --> Display and that restarted the flickering. > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA > > I forgot to mention this is for the x86_64 arch. Bob From gstool at earthlink.net Sat Oct 30 19:48:28 2004 From: gstool at earthlink.net (Gerry Tool) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:48:28 -0500 Subject: FC3 RC5 - Networked LPD server printing still not working. In-Reply-To: <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4182DEF4.3060700@earthlink.net> <41839A45.7010703@earthlink.net> <4183DC49.1080401@earthlink.net> <80d7e40904103012141b508bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4183F00C.5040802@earthlink.net> Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:24:09 -0500, Gerry Tool wrote: > > >>Gerry Tool wrote: >> >> >> >>>Gerry Tool wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have just done a fresh install of FC3, Release Candidate 3. >>>>Printing to a networked LPD server still will not work. This is a >>>>bug (#133064) that is assigned to the kernel. Telnet to the print >>>>server fails, but ping succeeds. FC2 telnets fine to the print server. >>>> >>>>Gerry Tool >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Just did fresh install of FC3 RC5 from DVD. LPD server printing still >>>not working. This is kernel 649. >>> >>>Gerry >>> >>> >>> >>On a tip from Steven Schwartz, I found that if I execute >> >>/sbin/service iptables off >> >>printing to the remote LPD server works. >> >>Of course this is not a valid fix. Any ideas of a correct way to solve >>the problem? >> >> >> > >What level of the firewall did you select on the install. It might be >a valid fix if you set the highest level :). > > > > > > I accepted the default. Steven Schwartz came up with a change to /etc/sysconfig/iptables that allows my print server to finally work. See the most recent comment in bugzilla #133064. Gerry Tool From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sat Oct 30 19:50:26 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:50:26 +0200 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? Yes...resign and rsync... In-Reply-To: <1099165299.3398.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099083401.3429.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099089237.3370.44.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099091519.9532.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20041030045929.GA25338@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> <1099133860.11611.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099161090.3398.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099164682.3309.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099165299.3398.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099165826.3309.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 30 octobre 2004 ? 13:41 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz a ?crit : > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 21:31 +0200, Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Small penalty transfer. But reading 1 Go^UGB of data is a big penalty. > > > > Point taken. On the other hand, how often is the batch of unsigned > packages that large? Does that happen often? > When Red Hat prepare a new official release (FC3T2, FC3, ...) near all packages are signed. After the release, new packages are not signed. Unsigned packages grow until a new official release is out. > Cheers, > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately I absolutely don't know why :-) Peter From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Oct 30 20:23:26 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:23:26 +0200 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <1099166019.3093.6.camel@littlePiet> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> <1099062847.4019.131.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099166019.3093.6.camel@littlePiet> Message-ID: <20041030222326.50df24d0.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:53:39 +0200, Peter wrote: > Am Fr, den 29.10.2004 schrieb Nils Philippsen um 17:14: > > > I heard you need to use padding (cdrecord option "-pad"). > > Thanks again, it works now. Unfortunately I absolutely don't know why > :-) Padding in conjunction with TAO mode burning avoids run-out sectors at the end of the ISO data. Without padding, the files on the CD would be fine, but the ISO image could not be recreated unless the exact disc size is known. Try the "readcd" command to read back an ISO image. If it fails, the burnt CD is bad. For a few years now burners should prefer DAO mode when burning data CDs. -- Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541 loadavg: 1.82 1.43 0.76 From gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net Sun Oct 31 00:28:21 2004 From: gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net (Jurgen Kramer) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:28:21 +0000 Subject: RC5 x86_64 DVD boot problems Message-ID: <1099182501.3230.3.camel@paragon.slim> I can't seem to get my system to boot from the FC3 RC5 x86_64 DVD. The MD5SUM checks out out fine. Is this a known issue? Any way to boot from the DVD or is this 2.5G wasted? Nb this is on a new EM64T system. Booting from the FC2 i386 DVD is not a problem. Jurgen -- From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 22:32:01 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:32:01 -0400 Subject: RC5 x86_64 DVD boot problems In-Reply-To: <1099182501.3230.3.camel@paragon.slim> References: <1099182501.3230.3.camel@paragon.slim> Message-ID: <41841661.5050702@speakeasy.net> Jurgen Kramer wrote: >I can't seem to get my system to boot from >the FC3 RC5 x86_64 DVD. The MD5SUM checks out out fine. Is >this a known issue? Any way to boot from the DVD or is >this 2.5G wasted? > >Nb this is on a new EM64T system. Booting from the FC2 i386 DVD is not a >problem. > >Jurgen > > > Did you set your BIOS to boot from the DVD device first? If yes, and you verified this is so, please give more specific information. What motherboard and chipset? What CPU? Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland From gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net Sun Oct 31 00:53:52 2004 From: gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net (Jurgen Kramer) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:53:52 +0000 Subject: RC5 x86_64 DVD boot problems In-Reply-To: <41841661.5050702@speakeasy.net> References: <1099182501.3230.3.camel@paragon.slim> <41841661.5050702@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099184032.3018.6.camel@paragon.slim> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 18:32 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > Jurgen Kramer wrote: > > >I can't seem to get my system to boot from > >the FC3 RC5 x86_64 DVD. The MD5SUM checks out out fine. Is > >this a known issue? Any way to boot from the DVD or is > >this 2.5G wasted? > > > >Nb this is on a new EM64T system. Booting from the FC2 i386 DVD is not a > >problem. > > > >Jurgen > > > > > > > Did you set your BIOS to boot from the DVD device first? Yes I did. It boots just fine from the boot.iso burned to a CDR but it will not boot from the DVD directly. > If yes, and you verified this is so, please give more specific > information. What motherboard and chipset? What CPU? Motherboard: Asus NCT-D with BIOS v1.05 (latest) Chipset: Intel E7525/6300ESB CPU: Dual 2.8GHz nocona Xeon EM64T (stepping EO) Mem: 1G DD2 reg. ECC > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland > I think I found a way around the problem. If I point the installer from the boot.iso to a NFS drive where the original DVD iso resides it will start the installer. Really cool feature.. So although DVD booting doesn't work I think I will be able to install FC3 on my x86_64. Thanks, Jurgen From ufo at linux.net.mk Sat Oct 30 23:12:37 2004 From: ufo at linux.net.mk (Arangel Angov) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:12:37 +0200 Subject: cdrecord not working Message-ID: <41841FE5.7000006@linux.net.mk> Using FC3rc1. I get this: cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. WARNING: Cannot do mlockall(2). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. scsidev: '/dev/cdwriter1' devname: '/dev/cdwriter1' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 After this it just sits like that, I updated the package a while ago just after it was avilable on up2date but it's still the same. From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sat Oct 30 23:21:21 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:21:21 -0400 Subject: RC5 x86_64 DVD boot problems In-Reply-To: <1099184032.3018.6.camel@paragon.slim> References: <1099182501.3230.3.camel@paragon.slim> <41841661.5050702@speakeasy.net> <1099184032.3018.6.camel@paragon.slim> Message-ID: <418421F1.4070404@speakeasy.net> Motherboard: Asus NCT-D with BIOS v1.05 (latest) >Chipset: Intel E7525/6300ESB >CPU: Dual 2.8GHz nocona Xeon EM64T (stepping EO) >Mem: 1G DD2 reg. ECC > > > >>Bob Cochran >>Greenbelt, Maryland >> >> >> >I think I found a way around the problem. If I point the installer >from the boot.iso to a NFS drive where the original DVD iso resides it will >start the installer. Really cool feature.. > >So although DVD booting doesn't work I think I will be able to install >FC3 on my x86_64. > > > Good luck! I have no expertise with dual CPUs. I'm sure others in this forum do. I'll have to experiment with them soon because they will probably be the next big thing in terms of eking more clock speed performance out of CPUs. Bob From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Oct 31 00:36:18 2004 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:36:18 +0100 Subject: fc3test upgrade to fc3 final In-Reply-To: <604aa79104102915028d1cf0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1099082567.12671.32.camel@keny.praguesoft.cz> <604aa79104102915028d1cf0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200410310136.19162.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> On Friday 29 October 2004 23:02, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > presumably? there could be a last minute package downgrade between rc > and final could interfere with upgrading from an rc in this manner. If you found there was a bug in version 7, and you wanted to revert to version 6, would it not be simpler to call it version 8? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Oct 31 00:59:52 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:59:52 -0500 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 Message-ID: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> I get this spike from the cpu every 5 seconds now that I'm on FC3T3. I can provide more info, but just for starters, has anyone else seene this? Is it the ext3 maybe? Thanks. -- =Guy 19:58:34 up 1 day, 22:27, 3 users, load average: 0.93, 0.79, 0.64 From pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to Sun Oct 31 02:05:44 2004 From: pri.rhl3 at iadonisi.to (Paul Iadonisi) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:05:44 -0400 Subject: bash still clobbering history in FC3RC5 Message-ID: <1099188344.19755.39.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> I thought there was a bug filed about bash clobbering some of it's history, but I can't find it. Anyhow, I'm finding that some commands in my bash history get clobbered, usually after searching, editing, and re-executing a command. It's hard to reproduce, though. Anyone else seeing this? Someone have a bugzilla reference? It may need re-opening. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Oct 31 02:12:22 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:12:22 -0600 Subject: RC5: Dependencies everywhere! Message-ID: <1099188742.3398.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey: I seem to have some trouble burning recent Fedora CD's; I wonder if this is a holdover from that kernel thing recently. I can get them to burn well, but only at 2x whereas I've burned on this machine at 8x for over two years now. Installing my old test box (PPro/200, 64MB, 4GB) with FC1 booting from floppy, then using GRUB to boot into the FC3-RC5 install and doing an FTP install from a server on the LAN worked well. No hitches. Since I am only doing a minimal install on this box right now, there are many things which I cannot really test yet. 1. What happened to isdn4k-utils? Used to be around 3.5MB, now installed it takes up over 9MB. Package size hasn't changed much, so I don't understand what happened. 2. Why does rhpl require the synaptics driver? I would like to get rid of all the graphical stuff on the minimal install, but rhpl requires synaptics and a whole bunch of stuff requires rhpl. So in order to lose some GUI packages, I have to lose up2date! And unless I lose up2date, I have to keep about 20MB of stuff I don't need on a minimal install. Can this dependency be eliminated somehow? Please? 3. Despite having *not* selected "Printing" packages during the install, cups and a bunch of stuff is pulled in since it depends on fontconfig, which depends on xorg-x11-libs, which needs synaptics, which again needs rhpl which needs up2date. There is a *LOT* of stuff here which cannot be deleted easily, and I don't understand why these dependencies are there. Why, to delete cups, do I end up having to delete up2date again? 4. If anyone just happens to have the chance to save me from a reinstall on this old box, could I get the output from a "df" command and a "rpm -qa | wc -l" command immediately after first booting a minimal install? I forgot to write that data down for the HOWTO, and I'm going to need it. If no one happens to get it, then I'll have to reinstall this box just to be sure. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Oct 31 02:41:57 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:41:57 -0600 Subject: RC5: Dependencies everywhere! In-Reply-To: <1099188742.3398.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099188742.3398.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099190517.3398.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 20:12 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > 2. Why does rhpl require the synaptics driver? [...] Follow-up to my own post here... after some work, I can confirm that I cannot remove cups, cups-libs, freetype, fontconfig, xorg*, and a whole bunch of other stuff because xorg* is required by synaptics. Synaptics in turn cannot be deleted since it is required by rhpl, and that cannot be removed since it is required by up2date. So if I want to keep up2date, I'm stuck with between 30-40MB of stuff just because rhpl requires the synaptics package. And it just seems downright foolish that CUPS, Xorg packages, and a bunch of other stuff ends up being installed on the system due to a touchpad I don't even have. Given that surely a low percentage of computers on Earth have a Synaptics touch pad, and that this package has never before existed, isn't this dependency SOMEHOW modifiable? Why does rhpl depend on synaptics? What can be done to remove that link? Thanks! -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom -- Tom Taylor Registered linux user #263467 From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 31 03:40:07 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:40:07 -0400 Subject: kernel provide 2.6.9. Too bad. In-Reply-To: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> Matias F?liciano wrote: > Here is the problem : > [snip] > Try to remove a kernel (2.6.9-1.643.mat.1) > # rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 > error: Failed dependencies: > kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 is needed by (installed) kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1.i686 What if you do a rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 does it still complain? > > # rpm -q --provides kernel-2.6.9-1.649 > kernel = 2.6.9 <===== Why ? > kernel-drm = 4.3.0 > kernel = 2.6.9-1.649 > > Can you please remove "Provides: kernel = %{version}" from the kernel .spec file ? > Should I file this in bugzilla ? > What happens when you remove it from the spec? The Provides: kernel = %{version} occurs twice (once for up and once for %package smp) Do you want to have the = %{version} taken off or just the whole Provides? Can you post your spec for your atm module (or at least the requires and provides?) Andrew From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Oct 31 03:45:18 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:45:18 -0500 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 20:35 -0700, Thomas Taylor wrote: > On Saturday 30 October 2004 17:59, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > I get this spike from the cpu every 5 seconds now that I'm on FC3T3. > > > > I can provide more info, but just for starters, has anyone else seene > > this? > > > > Is it the ext3 maybe? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 19:58:34 up 1 day, 22:27, 3 users, load average: 0.93, 0.79, 0.64 > > Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? > What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components > (if upgraded)? > > Tom > -- > Tom Taylor > Registered linux user #263467 ok, fire up gkrellm. watch "cpu" every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts for 1 second, then continues. I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock FC3T3. Thanks. > -- =Guy 22:42:36 up 2 days, 1:11, 3 users, load average: 1.78, 1.10, 0.93 From psavoie1783 at rogers.com Sun Oct 31 03:56:55 2004 From: psavoie1783 at rogers.com (Phil Savoie) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:56:55 -0400 Subject: Nvidia Riva 128 Message-ID: <200410302356.55818.psavoie1783@rogers.com> Hi All, I have an old dell Dimension XPS R400 using the Riva 128 nvidia video built-in card. I can't seem to get FC3T3 to properly configure the video. It says that it can't find any screens and to be honest, I don't know where to look to find how to configure the video. Any help would be really appreciated. Thank you, Phil From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 31 04:04:02 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:04:02 -0400 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> > > >>Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? >>What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components >>(if upgraded)? >> >>Tom >>-- >>Tom Taylor >>Registered linux user #263467 >> >> > >ok, fire up gkrellm. >watch "cpu" >every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. >when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts >for 1 second, then continues. > >I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from >FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock >FC3T3. > >Thanks. > > You might want to check the GKrellM web site first, the FAQ may be helpful. http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Oct 31 04:08:21 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:08:21 -0500 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:04 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > >>Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? > >>What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components > >>(if upgraded)? > >> > >>Tom > >>-- > >>Tom Taylor > >>Registered linux user #263467 > >> > >> > > > >ok, fire up gkrellm. > >watch "cpu" > >every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. > >when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts > >for 1 second, then continues. > > > >I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from > >FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock > >FC3T3. > > > >Thanks. > > > > > You might want to check the GKrellM web site first, the FAQ may be helpful. > > http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html > > yes, I've looked at that. this didn't occur on FC1 or FC2 so I don't think it's gkrellm specific. I still think it's picking up some logging on ext3 or something like that. -- =Guy 23:07:27 up 2 days, 1:36, 3 users, load average: 1.12, 1.24, 1.14 From cochranb at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 31 04:19:00 2004 From: cochranb at speakeasy.net (Robert L Cochran) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:19:00 -0400 Subject: RC5: Dependencies everywhere! In-Reply-To: <1099190517.3398.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099188742.3398.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099190517.3398.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418467B4.4090601@speakeasy.net> Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: >On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 20:12 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > >>2. Why does rhpl require the synaptics driver? [...] >> >> > >Follow-up to my own post here... after some work, I can confirm that I >cannot remove cups, cups-libs, freetype, fontconfig, xorg*, and a whole >bunch of other stuff because xorg* is required by synaptics. > >Synaptics in turn cannot be deleted since it is required by rhpl, and >that cannot be removed since it is required by up2date. So if I want to >keep up2date, I'm stuck with between 30-40MB of stuff just because rhpl >requires the synaptics package. > >And it just seems downright foolish that CUPS, Xorg packages, and a >bunch of other stuff ends up being installed on the system due to a >touchpad I don't even have. Given that surely a low percentage of >computers on Earth have a Synaptics touch pad, and that this package has >never before existed, isn't this dependency SOMEHOW modifiable? > >Why does rhpl depend on synaptics? What can be done to remove that link? > >Thanks! > > > I know the frustration and the feeling! Some months ago I tried to uninstall a small number of web server-related components that came with Fedora Core 2 and it was heck because of a seemingly endless chain of package dependencies. All I wanted to do was to get rid of a small set of packages. I resorted to rebuilding at least one package where I removed the dependency from it, then installed it as an upgrade. That in turn let me rpm -e a bunch of packages. Not pretty, but it gave me what I wanted. With some packages a little more thought needs to go into deciding what the dependencies really ought to be. Bob From weirdo at bearchele.com Sun Oct 31 04:31:35 2004 From: weirdo at bearchele.com (Nicolas Kassis) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:31:35 -0400 Subject: blank screen on FC3rc5 on amd64 laptop Message-ID: <41846AA7.1010807@bearchele.com> Whenever I boot I see the basic messages up to when the ram disk gets initialized. After that my screen goes blank. Here are the specs of my laptop: Athlon64 3000+ 1 gig ram ATI 9600 128MB Nic From weirdo at bearchele.com Sun Oct 31 04:32:47 2004 From: weirdo at bearchele.com (Nicolas Kassis) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:32:47 -0400 Subject: blank screen on FC3rc5 on amd64 laptop In-Reply-To: <41846AA7.1010807@bearchele.com> References: <41846AA7.1010807@bearchele.com> Message-ID: <41846AEF.9030003@bearchele.com> Nicolas Kassis wrote: > Whenever I boot I see the basic messages up to when the ram disk gets > initialized. After that my screen goes blank. > > Here are the specs of my laptop: > > Athlon64 3000+ > 1 gig ram > ATI 9600 128MB > > Nic > > Sorry. This is during the install. In graphical and text mode. Nic From awd at DDG.com Sun Oct 31 04:51:29 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:51:29 -0500 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <873276BD-2AF8-11D9-B0E7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> On Oct 29, 2004, at 16:03, Elliot Lee wrote: > This is likely to be the last FC3 release candidate, so please give it > all > the loving attention you possibly can. It does have fixes for some of > the > more serious issues reported here - your efforts are having results. > When > testing FC3rc5, things that could use extra-special attention are > upgrades > and the kernel. Please make sure to file any showstopper bugs (data > loss > or corruption, major install/upgrade failures) in bugzilla and bring > the > bug #'s to our attention. Folks, I tried to upgrade an FC2 SMP i686 system on an LVM managed disk. The system did not update grub properly. When I hand edited grub, the system then panicked. I'll report more later after I've had time to dig in deeper. Andrew ____________________________________ Andrew W. Donoho awd at DDG.com, PGP Key ID: 0x81D0F250 +1 (512) 453-6652 (o), +1 (512) 750-7596 (m) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mpeters at mac.com Sun Oct 31 05:02:32 2004 From: mpeters at mac.com (Michael A. Peters) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:02:32 +0000 Subject: RC5: Dependencies everywhere! In-Reply-To: <418467B4.4090601@speakeasy.net> (from cochranb@speakeasy.net on Sat Oct 30 21:19:00 2004) References: <1099188742.3398.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099190517.3398.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418467B4.4090601@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099198952l.14382l.0l@devel.mpeters.us> On 10/30/2004 09:19:00 PM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I know the frustration and the feeling! Some months ago I tried to > uninstall a small number of web server-related components that came > with Fedora Core 2 and it was heck because of a seemingly endless > chain of package dependencies. All I wanted to do was to get rid of a > small set of packages. I resorted to rebuilding at least one package > where I removed the dependency from it, then installed it as an > upgrade. That in turn let me rpm -e a bunch of packages. Not pretty, > but it gave me what I wanted. With some packages a little more > thought needs to go into deciding what the dependencies really ought > to be. I agree. Often this can be done through sub packages. I don't use any qt apps. But because gstreamer-plugins includes an arts plugin, arts is required which in turn requires qt. Not as big of a dependency issue but still - simply making a gstreamer- plugins-arts package would mean it would be possible to install a system without qt. From rpaiz at simpaticus.com Sun Oct 31 05:08:34 2004 From: rpaiz at simpaticus.com (Rodolfo J. Paiz) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:08:34 -0600 Subject: RC5: Dependencies everywhere! In-Reply-To: <418467B4.4090601@speakeasy.net> References: <1099188742.3398.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099190517.3398.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> <418467B4.4090601@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099199315.3557.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:19 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > I know the frustration and the feeling! [...] With some > packages a little more thought needs to go into > deciding what the dependencies really ought to be. > I have to agree. In this case, I'm using the minimal install as a starting point to create a *really* small install. After all, the FC3 "minimal" install includes NIS, NFS, Bluetooth, Infrared, Dial-up networking, ISDN, spell-checkers, tape management packages (!?) and lots of other sometimes-useful but entirely removable cruft. I have four objectives for this minimal install of mine: 1. Post it as a HOWTO on setting up the basics of a server [1], such that you can use it as a good and reasonably-secure base, then proceed from there to adding SMTP, POP/IMAP, HTTP/S, NTP, DNS, DHCP, or whatever server processes you actually need to run. Hopefully this will make a very tiny dent in the number of Linux servers that get cracked, and it will make some people's lives easier. 2. I am currently rescuing/recycling nearly 50 computers for an orphanage, and all of them are Pentium Classic boxen with either 32MB or 64MB of RAM and usually 1GB of hard drive space. So a GUI install of FC3 with XFCE plus a swap partition must fit into no more than 1GB total. 3. I provide the hosting resources for the RULE project [2], which has already helped people in Europe, Africa, and Latin America rescue/recycle several hundred computers for use in schools and other organizations by trimming down Red Hat Linux 9, and now they are working to move their efforts to FC3. They have the same maximum of 1GB of disk space in many machines (note that they've installed RHL-9 into 486/25 boxen with 8MB of RAM... smile). 4. I want to contribute back to Fedora such that the "minimal" install actually approaches congruency between its name and its reality. I am consistently able to remove at least 150MB of disk requirements from the minimal install (FC1-3), and I could easily hit 200MB with a little cooperation from Anaconda like installing the minimal packages without their documentation. So this is something like a 30% savings. Given all of these, 40MB of stuff stuck behind a *touchpad* is really driving me insane tonight. I know I could always just --nodep it, and I could also simply wipe up2date and yum off the map, but for me a "minimal" install is one that does not lose the basic character of the operating system... and an automated package manager like up2date or yum is, IMHO, a key part of the Fedora experience. Certainly it *can* be removed, but I'm not going to advocate removing it *by default*. Bloody touchpad. Anyway, just had to vent. Must get some sleep. Cheers, -- Rodolfo J. Paiz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If a packaging fix is applied, then yes, of course you bump the RPM release tag. However, look at what happened to Evolution in FC2. For a while during the test releases, the development series Evolution 1.5.x was in Rawhide (and in FC2t1 I believe). However, once it became clear that the stable version derived from the 1.5 series, which is the 2.0 series, wouldn't be done in time for FC2, it was backed down to the 1.4 series. As far as I can see, there's just no really sane way to recover from this; an epoch bump would make the downgrade happen automatically, but that is a somewhat draconian measure to fix a problem in the beta stage, and leaves you with dealing with the consequences forever. At this stage, to me the decision to let the beta testers just deal with it seems perfectly sane. Users of test releases are supposed to know what they're doing, or at least live be able to with their decisions. Also, the kernel version went backwards just before FC3t3; as far as I could tell what happened was pretty much that there were some pretty serious concerns about the later kernels (mostly SELinux related). There wasn't really enough time to fix everything correctly so by far the simplest solution was simply to dump the "last known good" kernel into FC3t3. Cheers, Per From mitch48 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 31 07:22:40 2004 From: mitch48 at sbcglobal.net (Nifty Hat Mitch) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:22:40 -0700 Subject: Gnome and geometry flags FC3 changes from FC2 Message-ID: <20041031072240.GA1058@xtl1.xtl.tenegg.com> I have a launcher to launch gnome-terminal with a specific geometry on FC2 that works thus: gnome-terminal -geometry=80x34 Moving things to FC3rc3 the geometry flag seems to be changed to the double dash style -- flag thus: gnome-terminal --geometry=80x34 Did I miss something? Is this only gnome-terminal? This could be a moderately large change if it is more than gnome-terminal? Off to review release notes I guess. It is consistent with lots of things so I am not avert to the change just surprised or I have been sleeping... Later, tom -- T o m M i t c h e l l May your cup runneth over with goodness and mercy and may your buffers never overflow. From arjanv at redhat.com Sun Oct 31 08:22:08 2004 From: arjanv at redhat.com (Arjan van de Ven) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:22:08 +0100 Subject: kernel provide 2.6.9. Too bad. In-Reply-To: <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> References: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099210928.2813.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> > What happens when you remove it from the spec? The Provides: kernel = %{version} > occurs twice (once for up and once for %package smp) Do you want to have > the = %{version} taken off or just the whole Provides? the smp kernel has to provide a "kernel" with version as well; there's several packages that do "Requires: kernel > " and smp has to satisfy that requirement. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 31 09:36:37 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:36:37 +0100 Subject: kernel provide 2.6.9. Too bad. In-Reply-To: <1099210928.2813.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> <1099210928.2813.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <1099215397.3490.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 31 octobre 2004 ? 09:22 +0100, Arjan van de Ven a ?crit : > > What happens when you remove it from the spec? The Provides: kernel = %{version} > > occurs twice (once for up and once for %package smp) Do you want to have > > the = %{version} taken off or just the whole Provides? > > the smp kernel has to provide a "kernel" with version as well; there's > several packages that do "Requires: kernel > " and smp has > to satisfy that requirement. Right. But why to provide "kernel = %{version}" and not "kernel = %{version}-%{release}" for the kernel-smp package ? $ rpm -q --provides kernel kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.649.mat.1 kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 $ rpm -q --requires -p kernel-module-unicorn-eth-0.8.7- mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686.rpm /bin/sh /sbin/depmod kernel > 2.6.9 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 $ rpm -ivh --fileconflicts kernel-module-unicorn-eth-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686.rpm error: Failed dependencies: kernel > 2.6.9 is needed by kernel-module-unicorn-eth-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686 Add the Red Hat : $ rpm -q --provides kernel kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.649.mat.1 kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel = 2.6.9 <=== kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.649 $ rpm -ivh --fileconflicts kernel-module-unicorn-eth-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686.rpm error: Failed dependencies: kernel > 2.6.9 is needed by kernel-module-unicorn-eth-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686 Build a new kernel-module-unicorn-eth with "Requires: kernel > 2.6.8" Remove the Red Hat kernel. $ rpm -q --provides kernel kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.649.mat.1 kernel-drm = 4.3.0 kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 $ rpm -q --requires -p kernel-module-unicorn-eth-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686.rpm /bin/sh /sbin/depmod kernel > 2.6.8 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 $ rpm -i --fileconflicts kernel-module-unicorn-eth-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1.i686.rpm $ Fine. Do the same but with "Requires: kernel = 2.6.9" in kernel-module-module-eth. Works as expected. So, I don't understand your point. kernel-2.6.spec should have : %package smp Provides: kernel = %{version}-%{release} and not : Provides: kernel = %{version} I don't test with kernel-smp, but I can to do it if you want. I would to rebuild a kernel. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 31 09:41:28 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:41:28 +0100 Subject: kernel provide 2.6.9. Too bad. In-Reply-To: <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> References: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099215688.3490.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le samedi 30 octobre 2004 ? 23:40 -0400, Andrew a ?crit : > > Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Here is the problem : > > > [snip] > > > Try to remove a kernel (2.6.9-1.643.mat.1) > > # rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 > > error: Failed dependencies: > > kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 is needed by (installed) kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1.i686 > > What if you do a > rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 > does it still complain? > No. Seems You don't understand :-) Sorry if this is cause by my poor English. > > > > # rpm -q --provides kernel-2.6.9-1.649 > > kernel = 2.6.9 <===== Why ? > > kernel-drm = 4.3.0 > > kernel = 2.6.9-1.649 > > > > Can you please remove "Provides: kernel = %{version}" from the kernel .spec file ? > > Should I file this in bugzilla ? > > > What happens when you remove it from the spec? The Provides: kernel = %{version} > occurs twice (once for up and once for %package smp) Do you want to have > the = %{version} taken off or just the whole Provides? > > Can you post your spec for your atm module (or at least the requires and provides?) > See attachment. > > Andrew > -------------- next part -------------- # base on alsa-drivers.spec of matthias (freshrpms) # "uname -r" output of the kernel to build for, the running one # if none was specified with "--define 'kernel '" %{!?kernel: %{expand: %%define kernel %(uname -r)}} %define kversion %(echo %{kernel} | sed -e s/smp// -) %define krelver %(echo %{kversion} | tr -s '-' '_') Summary: unicorn drivers Name: unicorn Version: 0.8.7 Release: mat.1 License: Proprietary Group: System Environment/Base Source0: A1012-A1006-A904-A888-0.8.7.tgz Patch0: fix.patch URL: http://www.bewan.fr/ ExclusiveArch: i686 ExclusiveOS: Linux BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-root BuildRequires: kernel = %{kversion} BuildRequires: gcc >= 3.4 BuildRequires: make %description -n unicorn Driver for the ST UNICORN PCI ADSL modem chip. You may also recompile for a given kernel version and arch with : --define "kernel " (for example "kernel 2.4.20-9") %package -n kernel-module-unicorn-atm Summary: unicorn atm driver Group: System Environment/Base Release: %{release}_%{krelver} Requires: kernel = %{kversion} Prereq: /sbin/depmod %description -n kernel-module-unicorn-atm Driver for the ST UNICORN PCI ADSL modem chip. atm driver for pppoatm (unicorn_pci_atm.ko). %package -n kernel-module-unicorn-eth Summary: unicorn atm driver Group: System Environment/Base Release: %{release}_%{krelver} Requires: kernel = %{kversion} Prereq: /sbin/depmod %description -n kernel-module-unicorn-eth Driver for the ST UNICORN PCI ADSL modem chip. eth driver for pppoeth (unicorn_pci_eth.ko). %prep %setup -n %{name} %patch0 -p1 -b .fix %build cd libm make cd ../unicorn_pci KERNEL_SOURCES=/lib/modules/%{kversion}/build make modules %install %{__rm} -r -f %{buildroot} %{__install} -m 744 -D unicorn_pci/unicorn_pci_atm.ko %{buildroot}/lib/modules/%{kversion}/kernel/extra/unicorn_pci_atm.ko %{__install} -m 744 -D unicorn_pci/unicorn_pci_eth.ko %{buildroot}/lib/modules/%{kversion}/kernel/extra/unicorn_pci_eth.ko %post -n kernel-module-unicorn-atm /sbin/depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-%{kernel} %{kernel} >/dev/null 2>&1 || : %preun -n kernel-module-unicorn-eth /sbin/depmod -a -F /boot/System.map-%{kernel} %{kernel} >/dev/null 2>&1 || : %clean %{__rm} -rf %{buildroot} %files -n kernel-module-unicorn-atm %defattr(-, root, root, 0755) /lib/modules/%{kernel}/kernel/extra/unicorn_pci_atm.ko %files -n kernel-module-unicorn-eth %defattr(-, root, root, 0755) /lib/modules/%{kernel}/kernel/extra/unicorn_pci_eth.ko %changelog * Sat Oct 30 2004 F?liciano Matias 0.8.7-1.mat.1 - initial package. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pettersson http://www.sm6rpz.se/ From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Oct 31 12:35:50 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:35:50 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> Message-ID: <1099226151.18507.33.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:45 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 19:37 +0200, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > I see no downside in repo metadata signing either, it's a good thing > > actually. But it is not an argument on why packages shouldn't be signed > > individually. > > > > Sigh... backing up a few steps for historical clarification: > > Mat?as argued that, because *some* Rawhide packages are not signed, one > does not have for those packages *any* ability to see that what is on a > mirror is in fact exactly what came out of the Red Hat buildsystem. He > argued pro signing of all Rawhide packages. I'm with Mat?as here. > Others argued that this has either no value or negative value. A debate > ensued as to whether passwordless keys would be better than nothing or > worse than nothing. I wasn't pro password-less keys, but pro some kind of automatic signing of all packages or to be more precise pro signing of all packages that get pushed (which implies automatic signing as they're pushed automatically). This doesn't imply leaving the keys unguarded or password-less because our build system also isn't unrestricted, i.e. not everyone can build packages which means that not everyone can get something signed with that key. When I build a package in the build system, the one signing the package later will trust me that I didn't do something nasty with it, so the result is practically the same whether signing happens manually or automated, only that in the latter case no package is forgotten. Especially since the people who operate the build system are the same that do the signing ;-). > Someone suggested that, for those Rawhide packages which were not > signed, one possible way to get that benefit of knowing that package XYZ > on Server A is bit-identical to the one on the main Rawhide server was > to sign the repo metadata. It was suggested that this would provide an > additional benefit to the rest of the world, at no real downside. Still someone or something would have to sign at the time of pushing, whether this means signing packages or repo metadata and whether this is done manually or automatically is largely irrelevant IMO. > I really liked the idea and said basically that if this has good benefit > and no real downside, then how do we get it done? OK, sorry for getting you wrong there. > You came on scene and started arguing that it was a Bad Thing which > would destroy the world as we know it. ;-) We now realize that you are > not "contra repo signing" but rather "pro package signing". I was getting misunderstood as well as some other people -- now that we can agree on this, how do we move on? > So welcome to the club. I am also pro package signing, but some Rawhide > packages are not signed and at least repo signing helps provide some > benefit, and I like that benefit. Mat?as is vehemently pro signing > *every* package, and some people have responded that they either don't > want to sign all Rawhide packages, or perhaps even don't want to sign > any Rawhide packages. I'll leave exact interpretations to you when you > read through the archived thread. As outlined above, the process of signing repo metadata and the process of signing individual packages isn't that much different in that it needs someone or -thing to do the signing. I think signing repo metadata is good to augment the signing of packages in that someone certifies a specific set of packages, which is a benefit if you e.g. think of some bad guy trying to inject a (signed) iptables package into a mirror repository that by whatever problem wouldn't work together with the kernel already in there. > Now... the whole point of this thread is now to: > > 1. Argue that all packages should be signed, even all Rawhide. There > appear to be strong feelings either way. I think it can be done without sacrificing any of the security we already have. Probably we should be thinking about using very short- lived keys for that, along with teaching RPM how to respect EOL dates for these keys as well as signed keys so that we can e.g. change the Rawhide key every few days, having it (manually) signed with a "master" key and have this key in a well defined place where tools and/or users could grab it once a new one is out and being sure that by SSL- certificate and GPG signing that this is the real key. On the other hand the argument that we should use the presence of a (Red Hat) signature as a measure of quality is rather moot in my eyes as I have had a number of my packages out there with great difference in quality and all of them signed, even with a non-Rawhide key ;-). We have to teach the people who think about the signature being a sign of quality instead of origin about its real meaning, we shouldn't conform to their ill views. > 2. In context, it also appeared that repo signing could also be > implemented as an *additional* measure that would provide some good > benefits. I have not seen any arguments against that other than yours. > > What do you think of those two thoughts? Mine wasn't an argument against repo metadata signing -- some people (too lazy to check who ;-) sounded to me like they would want to replace package signing with repo metadata signing. Have a nice Sunday, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net Sun Oct 31 13:46:30 2004 From: gtm.kramer at inter.nl.net (Jurgen Kramer) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:46:30 +0100 Subject: FC3rc5 x86_64 probs: 3w-9xxx and vesa Message-ID: <1099230390.2874.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just tried the x86_64 version of FC3rc5. The installation went really smooth but after rebooting I could not get I normal graphical screen. The screen appeared blurry (wrong res. or video memory region), this was with the VESA driver. I had to use VESA because the nv driver doesn't support my 6600GT. The vesa driver works perfectly under FC2. Another problem is related to the 3ware 9xxx driver. It gives out 3w-9xxx: scsi0: ERROR: (0x03:0x0104): SGL entry has illegal length:address=0x355D3000, length=0xFF, cmd=X. errors. This does not happen with a kernel.org kernel. Jurgen -- From feliciano.matias at free.fr Sun Oct 31 13:55:43 2004 From: feliciano.matias at free.fr (Matias =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E9liciano?=) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:55:43 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099226151.18507.33.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099226151.18507.33.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1099230943.3558.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 31 octobre 2004 ? 13:35 +0100, Nils Philippsen a ?crit : > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:45 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > As outlined above, the process of signing repo metadata and the process > of signing individual packages isn't that much different in that it > needs someone or -thing to do the signing. I think signing repo metadata > is good to augment the signing of packages in that someone certifies a > specific set of packages, which is a benefit if you e.g. think of some > bad guy trying to inject a (signed) iptables package into a mirror > repository that by whatever problem wouldn't work together with the > kernel already in there. > A "Conflict" field in the rpm is a better solution. > On the other hand the argument that we should use the presence of a (Red > Hat) signature as a measure of quality is rather moot in my eyes as I > have had a number of my packages out there with great difference in > quality and all of them signed, even with a non-Rawhide key ;-). We have > to teach the people who think about the signature being a sign of > quality instead of origin about its real meaning, we shouldn't conform > to their ill views. Interesting. There is _nothing_ that describe Test release and Rawhide. Nothing. Red Hat did a brilliant job in describing what Fedora is (section About of fedora.redhat.com). Red Hat may describe Test release and Rawhide. These informations may also be in the fedora-release package. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 31 14:41:02 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:41:02 -0500 Subject: kernel provide 2.6.9. Too bad. In-Reply-To: <1099210928.2813.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> References: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> <1099210928.2813.11.camel@laptop.fenrus.org> Message-ID: <4184F97E.9080508@speakeasy.net> Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > the smp kernel has to provide a "kernel" with version as well; there's > several packages that do "Requires: kernel > " and smp has > to satisfy that requirement. > Sorry I guess I wasn't clear, that was my point - there are no extraneous "Provides". From cmkrnl at speakeasy.net Sun Oct 31 14:54:18 2004 From: cmkrnl at speakeasy.net (Andrew) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:54:18 -0500 Subject: kernel provide 2.6.9. Too bad. In-Reply-To: <1099215688.3490.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> <1099215688.3490.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4184FC9A.7050204@speakeasy.net> Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le samedi 30 octobre 2004 ? 23:40 -0400, Andrew a ?crit : > >>Matias F?liciano wrote: >> >>>Here is the problem : >>> >> >>[snip] >> >> >>>Try to remove a kernel (2.6.9-1.643.mat.1) >>># rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 >>>error: Failed dependencies: >>> kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 is needed by (installed) kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1.i686 >> >>What if you do a >>rpm -e kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.1_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 >>does it still complain? >> > > No. > > Seems You don't understand :-) I was trying to gather more info on how the requires in your package and the provides in the kernel packages were interacting. Yeah I didn't understand, but I was trying to. > Sorry if this is cause by my poor English. No, its not that -- your English better than most native speakers > > [snip] > >> >>Can you post your spec for your atm module (or at least the requires and provides?) >> > [snip] -- from your unicorn.spec... >>Release: %{release}_%{krelver} >>Requires: kernel = %{kversion} Shouldn't that be Requires: kernel = %{version}-%{release} since you are building a module for a specific release? I don't really know, as I've not built kernel module rpms, but it seems to me that they would depend on the %[version}-%{release} as your module has to target the kernel in question to at least that level. Andrew From richard at Goerwitz.com Sun Oct 31 16:06:00 2004 From: richard at Goerwitz.com (Richard L. Goerwitz III) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:06:00 -0600 Subject: Megaraid boot, RAID drive recognition problems In-Reply-To: <20041031010050.AB4297339C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041031010050.AB4297339C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41850D68.4050604@Goerwitz.COM> The 'megaraid' RAID drive recognition problem hasn't yet been fixed, but I wonder: Has anyone thought of a workaround yet? http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=135484 -- Richard Goerwitz richard at Goerwitz.COM tel: 507 645 7015 From smooge at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 16:12:29 2004 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:12:29 -0700 Subject: cdrecord not working In-Reply-To: <41841FE5.7000006@linux.net.mk> References: <41841FE5.7000006@linux.net.mk> Message-ID: <80d7e40904103108127b6b6800@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:12:37 +0200, Arangel Angov wrote: > Using FC3rc1. I get this: > > cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. WARNING: Cannot do mlockall(2). > cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. > cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler > cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using > setpriority(). > cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. > scsidev: '/dev/cdwriter1' > devname: '/dev/cdwriter1' > scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 > > After this it just sits like that, I updated the package a while ago > just after it was avilable on up2date but it's still the same. > Known change in kernel. Update to FC3RC5 from testing.fedora.redhat.com and see if it continues. > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From lux at diesel-research.com Sun Oct 31 18:04:15 2004 From: lux at diesel-research.com (Kim Lux) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:04:15 -0700 Subject: Kudos to whomever worked on the synaptics touchpad driver ! Message-ID: <1099245855.4691.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm using the new synaptics touchpad driver on my HP ZD7280. It works very, very well, better than it does in Windows. The scroll function is really handy. I've got two small criticisms: a) I dislike the "select when heldover" because it sometimes opens things I don't want to have opened. Is there a way to disable this ? b) The cursor gets a little jumpy in the corners, most noticeably when trying to open the menu in KDE. I'm wondering if there is something in the cursor positioning algorithm that causes this. I love how the tap and double tap work now. Question: is there a way to set the synaptics device parameters in a graphical tool, ie like system-config-mouse ? From awd at DDG.com Sun Oct 31 17:17:43 2004 From: awd at DDG.com (Andrew W. Donoho) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:17:43 -0600 Subject: FC3rc5 In-Reply-To: <873276BD-2AF8-11D9-B0E7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> References: <873276BD-2AF8-11D9-B0E7-000A9566A350@DDG.com> Message-ID: On Oct 30, 2004, at 23:51, Andrew W. Donoho wrote: > I tried to upgrade an FC2 SMP i686 system on an LVM managed disk. The > system did not update grub properly. When I hand edited grub, the > system then panicked. I'll report more later after I've had time to > dig in deeper. Folks, I tried re-updating the system. I got the same error: After NASH loads: mount: error 6 mounting ext3 mount: error 2 mounting none switchroot: mount failed: 22 umount /initrd/dev failed 2 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! I'll keep the system this way for awhile waiting for someone's response to these messages. Otherwise I'll scrub the drive and restart from scratch. Bear in mind that this system was running fine under FC2. 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In-Reply-To: <4184FC9A.7050204@speakeasy.net> References: <1099158381.3477.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41845E97.1040600@speakeasy.net> <1099215688.3490.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4184FC9A.7050204@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1099241911.9162.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Le dimanche 31 octobre 2004 ? 09:54 -0500, Andrew a ?crit : > > Matias F?liciano wrote: > > Le samedi 30 octobre 2004 ? 23:40 -0400, Andrew a ?crit : > > > [snip] -- from your unicorn.spec... > >>Release: %{release}_%{krelver} > >>Requires: kernel = %{kversion} > Shouldn't that be > Requires: kernel = %{version}-%{release} > since you are building a module for a specific release? The SRPMS : unicorn-0.8.7-mat.2.src.rpm Version = 0.8.7 (not related to the version of the kernel) Release = mat.2 The RPMS : kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.i686.rpm Version : 0.8.7 Release : mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 The release is "special". It has two parts : mat.2 : come from the SRPMS (or .spec file) _2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 : come from the kernel version tree used when the package is build. '-' is forbidden in the release number. This can be anything but should be different for each kernel. Unlike a classic package, there is not one binary, but one per kernel version. Example : I have two kernels (fixed, that is : without the "non finite" provide "kernel = 2.6.9") : kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel-2.6.9-1.649.mat.1 And two module packages : kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.649.mat.1 These two RPMS come from the same SRPMS. kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 is build with kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 and require "kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1" to work when installed. $ rpm -q --requires kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 | grep kernel kernel = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 Hopefully, it is the case :-) To build a specific kernel-module-unicorn-atm : $ rpmbuild -bb --target i686 --define "kernel 3.2.13-1" unicorn.spec Building target platforms: i686 Building for target i686 error: Failed build dependencies: kernel = 3.2.13-1 is needed by unicorn-0.8.7-mat.2.i686 Ooops. I have to install kernel-3.2.13-1. Kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 is clearly dedicated to kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 only : $ rpm -q -l kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.643.mat.1/kernel/extra/unicorn_pci_atm.ko It is completely useless without a kernel 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 . So it depend on a specific version of kernel. If kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 is removed, kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 should be removed. Like "yum remove gtk2" will remove all packages that require gtk2 to work properly. In my "fixed" system, this works as expected : $ yum remove kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 [...] Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Remove: kernel.i686 0:2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 Performing the following to resolve dependencies: <========= Remove: kernel-module-unicorn-atm.i686 0:0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 Is this ok [y/N]: n What append if I install the """corrupted""" Fedora kernel : $ rpm -q kernel kernel-2.6.9-1.649.mat.1 kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 kernel-2.6.9-1.649 <=== it's here. $ yum remove kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Remove: kernel.i686 0:2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 Is this ok [y/N]: n kernel-2.6.9-1.649 ("Provides: kernel = 2.6.9") provide the requirement for kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7-mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 (Requires: kernel = kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1). So kernel-module-unicorn-atm-0.8.7- mat.2_2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 is not marked as a dependency that should be removed. NB : "Provides: kernel = 2.6.9-1.649" give the requirement of "Requires: kernel = 2.6.9". Another problem (with kernel-2.6.9-1.649 installed) : rpmbuild -bb --target i686 --define "kernel 2.6.9-999999" unicorn.spec Building target platforms: i686 Building for target i686 Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.94844 + umask 022 + cd /home/admin/rpmbuild/BUILD + LANG=C [...] make CC=gcc -C /lib/modules/2.6.9-999999/build SUBDIRS=/home/admin/rpmbuild/BUILD/unicorn/unicorn_pci modules make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.9-999999/build: No such file or directory. Stop. Without kernel-2.6.9-1.649 rpmbuild -bb --target i686 --define "kernel 2.6.9-999999" unicorn.spec Building target platforms: i686 Building for target i686 error: Failed build dependencies: kernel = 2.6.9-999999 is needed by unicorn-0.8.7-mat.2.i686 It's a dependency problem. > >>Release: %{release}_%{krelver} When unicorn is build (for kernel-2.6.9-1.643.mat.1) : %{release} = mat.2 %{krelver} = 2.6.9_1.643.mat.1 > >>Requires: kernel = %{kversion} %{kversion} = 2.6.9-1.643.mat.1 > Shouldn't that be > Requires: kernel = %{version}-%{release} No. This will be replaced by : Requires: kernel = 0.8.7-mat.2 Ooops, my package does not support smp... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Below are some debugging info from my Laptop (Toshiba Sattelite 1135-S1554 Darek Borkowski ================================= [root at kapsel ~]# system-config-soundcard Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : Signed 16 b it Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error [root at kapsel ~]# uname -r 2.6.9-1.649 [root at kapsel ~]# lsmod Module Size Used by i915 76869 3 parport_pc 24705 1 lp 11565 0 parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp autofs4 24005 0 i2c_dev 10433 0 i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev sunrpc 160421 1 orinoco_cs 9545 1 orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs dm_mod 54741 0 button 6481 0 battery 8517 0 ac 4805 0 yenta_socket 18753 1 pcmcia_core 59913 3 orinoco_cs,ds,yenta_socket uhci_hcd 31449 0 ehci_hcd 31557 0 snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 snd_intel8x0 34829 2 snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 12 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9889 2 snd 8139too 26305 0 mii 4673 1 8139too ext3 116809 2 jbd 74969 1 ext3 [root at kapsel ~]# lspci '00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) 00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) 00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03) 02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) 02:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) 02:04.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) 02:04.1 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) From sml52765 at comcast.net Sun Oct 31 18:02:09 2004 From: sml52765 at comcast.net (sml52765 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:02:09 +0000 Subject: Please romove from mailing Message-ID: <103120041802.14514.418528A10004F9CE000038B22200734748CAC0C9CDCA04039C@comcast.net> Please remove me from the mailing list From nphilipp at redhat.com Sun Oct 31 18:32:38 2004 From: nphilipp at redhat.com (Nils Philippsen) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:32:38 +0100 Subject: Should Fedora rpms be signed? In-Reply-To: <1099230943.3558.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49796.195.34.133.68.1098782874.squirrel@195.34.133.68> <2983.12.29.16.103.1098793539.squirrel@whooper.org> <1098794047.11444.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2073.12.29.16.103.1098966545.squirrel@whooper.org> <26048.213.164.3.90.1098966862.squirrel@213.164.3.90> <1098981281.6109.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098985082.3555.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <604aa7910410281201afdeef7@mail.gmail.com> <1098994497.3555.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1098998238.3373.18.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1098999606.3555.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099007042.3392.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099062694.4019.128.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099069580.3385.10.camel@rodolfo.gt.factorrent.com> <1099071451.4019.169.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099075545.3370.23.camel@ip99.gt.factorrent.com> <1099226151.18507.33.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099230943.3558.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1099247558.18507.50.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 14:55 +0100, Matias F?liciano wrote: > Le dimanche 31 octobre 2004 ? 13:35 +0100, Nils Philippsen a ?crit : > > On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 12:45 -0600, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote: > > As outlined above, the process of signing repo metadata and the process > > of signing individual packages isn't that much different in that it > > needs someone or -thing to do the signing. I think signing repo metadata > > is good to augment the signing of packages in that someone certifies a > > specific set of packages, which is a benefit if you e.g. think of some > > bad guy trying to inject a (signed) iptables package into a mirror > > repository that by whatever problem wouldn't work together with the > > kernel already in there. > > > > A "Conflict" field in the rpm is a better solution. A "Conflict" field is only a reactive solution, i.e. you need to know about the issue (and those with malicious intent won't tell you about it ;-). Signing repo metadata is a proactive measure that might prevent such scenarios even in the case when we don't know about such a situation. > > On the other hand the argument that we should use the presence of a (Red > > Hat) signature as a measure of quality is rather moot in my eyes as I > > have had a number of my packages out there with great difference in > > quality and all of them signed, even with a non-Rawhide key ;-). We have > > to teach the people who think about the signature being a sign of > > quality instead of origin about its real meaning, we shouldn't conform > > to their ill views. > > Interesting. > There is _nothing_ that describe Test release and Rawhide. Nothing. > Red Hat did a brilliant job in describing what Fedora is (section About > of fedora.redhat.com). > Red Hat may describe Test release and Rawhide. > These informations may also be in the fedora-release package. Here's my 2p: Rawhide is constantly in flux and its quality is variant -- anything between "quite good" and "eats your hamster" is possible. A test release is a snapshot of Rawhide where we try to not break too many things before, i.e. we usually have a freeze before a test release where the release managers permit fixes and only controlled new features between the freeze and release of the snapshot. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp at redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 From linhardt at swbell.net Sun Oct 31 19:04:20 2004 From: linhardt at swbell.net (Terry R Linhardt) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:04:20 -0600 Subject: [fedora-test-discuss] Soundcard detected but no sound... continued In-Reply-To: <38f00b2a041031095927389f93@mail.gmail.com> References: <38f00b2a041031095927389f93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41853734.3080305@swbell.net> Please note that a bugzilla report has been opened. #137637. You may wish to add remarks to that report, since this appears to be a valid bug. Regards...Terry Darek Borkowski wrote: >Hi, >as written before I have FC3test2 ugraded everyday. Soundcard detected >but no sound even with newest kernel and other packages. >Below are some debugging info from my Laptop (Toshiba Sattelite 1135-S1554 > >Darek Borkowski > >================================= > > >[root at kapsel ~]# system-config-soundcard >Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 > Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined > Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right > Limits: Playback 0 - 31 > Front Left: Playback 23 [74%] [on] > Front Right: Playback 23 [74%] [on] >Playing WAVE '/usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav' : >Signed 16 b it Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo >aplay: pcm_write:1115: write error: Input/output error > > >[root at kapsel ~]# uname -r >2.6.9-1.649 >[root at kapsel ~]# lsmod >Module Size Used by >i915 76869 3 >parport_pc 24705 1 >lp 11565 0 >parport 41737 2 parport_pc,lp >autofs4 24005 0 >i2c_dev 10433 0 >i2c_core 22081 1 i2c_dev >sunrpc 160421 1 >orinoco_cs 9545 1 >orinoco 47053 1 orinoco_cs >hermes 7617 2 orinoco_cs,orinoco >ds 16965 7 orinoco_cs >dm_mod 54741 0 >button 6481 0 >battery 8517 0 >ac 4805 0 >yenta_socket 18753 1 >pcmcia_core 59913 3 orinoco_cs,ds,yenta_socket >uhci_hcd 31449 0 >ehci_hcd 31557 0 >snd_intel8x0m 18185 0 >snd_intel8x0 34829 2 >snd_ac97_codec 64401 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0 >snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 >snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss >snd_pcm 97993 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss >snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm >snd_page_alloc 9673 3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm >gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 >snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 >snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart >snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi >snd 54053 12 >snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device >soundcore 9889 2 snd >8139too 26305 0 >mii 4673 1 8139too >ext3 116809 2 >jbd 74969 1 ext3 > > >[root at kapsel ~]# lspci >'00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor >to I/O Controller (rev 01) >00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV >Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) >00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corp. 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV >Processor to I/O Controller (rev 01) >00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated >Graphics Device (rev 01) >00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated >Graphics Device (rev 01) >00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) >00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) >00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) >00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 >EHCI Controller (rev 03) >00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83) >00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 03) >00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03) >00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus >Controller (rev 03) >00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM >(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) >00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 >Modem Controller (rev 03) >02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. >RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) >02:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus >Controller (rev 01) >02:04.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) >02:04.1 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev 01) > > > From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 31 20:31:42 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:31:42 +0100 Subject: Please romove from mailing In-Reply-To: <103120041802.14514.418528A10004F9CE000038B22200734748CAC0C9CDCA04039C@comcast.net> References: <103120041802.14514.418528A10004F9CE000038B22200734748CAC0C9CDCA04039C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1099254702.4746.0.camel@kyrre> s?n, 31.10.2004 kl. 19.02 skrev sml52765 at comcast.net: > Please remove me from the mailing list Hit that "to unsubscribe" thingy, will you? From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 31 20:33:29 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:33:29 +0100 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> what does top show? s?n, 31.10.2004 kl. 05.08 skrev W. Guy Thomas: > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:04 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? > > >>What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components > > >>(if upgraded)? > > >> > > >>Tom > > >>-- > > >>Tom Taylor > > >>Registered linux user #263467 > > >> > > >> > > > > > >ok, fire up gkrellm. > > >watch "cpu" > > >every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. > > >when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts > > >for 1 second, then continues. > > > > > >I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from > > >FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock > > >FC3T3. > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > You might want to check the GKrellM web site first, the FAQ may be helpful. > > > > http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html > > > > > > yes, I've looked at that. > this didn't occur on FC1 or FC2 so I don't think it's gkrellm specific. > I still think it's picking up some logging on ext3 or something like > that. > > > -- > =Guy > 23:07:27 up 2 days, 1:36, 3 users, load average: 1.12, 1.24, 1.14 From kyrre at solution-forge.net Sun Oct 31 20:36:20 2004 From: kyrre at solution-forge.net (Kyrre Ness Sjobak) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:36:20 +0100 Subject: IPv6 In-Reply-To: References: <1099140368.4513.0.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099254979.4746.5.camel@kyrre> I did not experience this while using epiphany in t2 - or epiphany (or put-any-other-browser-here) in fc2. but mozilla has always had this issue... l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 15.32 skrev Maciej ?enczykowski: > Don't know about FC3, was just performing some maintenance routine work on > an FC2 box and ran across this again. Don't currently have the HDD > space nor the bandwidth to give FC3 a test drive, especially seeing how > rapidly the ISOs are changing lately (nb. why no jigdo releases?). > > Anyway seeing how this is trivial to fix, and not being sure whether it > was fixed or not, decided to bring this up to the attention of the list. > > Cheers, > MaZe. > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > Also in FC3? I thougth this problem went away when FC3 came (comes). > > > > l?r, 30.10.2004 kl. 14.24 skrev Maciej ?enczykowski: > > > Just a quick idea. > > > It would probably be useful to include a global 'disable/enable IPv6' > > > option in the installer. > > > Having IPv6 enabled causes Mozilla DNS lookups to take ages in some areas > > > - depends on DNS servers involved (basically it has to wait for IPv6 > > > resolution to timeout). > > > This can be achieved by 'alias net-pf-10 off' in /etc/modprobe.conf or by > > > physically removing the IPv6 addresses from the interfaces (ip addr del > > > ::1/128 dev lo; ip addr del dev eth0;) > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > MaZe. > > > > From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Oct 31 19:51:11 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:51:11 -0600 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> Message-ID: <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 21:33 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > what does top show? > > s?n, 31.10.2004 kl. 05.08 skrev W. Guy Thomas: > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:04 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? > > > >>What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components > > > >>(if upgraded)? > > > >> > > > >>Tom > > > >>-- > > > >>Tom Taylor > > > >>Registered linux user #263467 > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >ok, fire up gkrellm. > > > >watch "cpu" > > > >every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. > > > >when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts > > > >for 1 second, then continues. > > > > > > > >I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from > > > >FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock > > > >FC3T3. > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > You might want to check the GKrellM web site first, the FAQ may be helpful. > > > > > > http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html > > > > > > > > > > yes, I've looked at that. > > this didn't occur on FC1 or FC2 so I don't think it's gkrellm specific. > > I still think it's picking up some logging on ext3 or something like > > that. > > > > > > -- > > =Guy > > 23:07:27 up 2 days, 1:36, 3 users, load average: 1.12, 1.24, 1.14 > I don't see anything unusual in top. The spike is so quick, it's literally a straight up line in gkrellm, just every 5 seconds. I'm not sure what else I can use to monitor this. I wouldn't even know about it if gkrellm hadn't shown it to me. It doesn't affect performance really, but it's annoying to know it's there. any other ideas are welcome. -- =Guy 13:49:32 up 4:27, 2 users, load average: 0.29, 0.35, 0.36 From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Oct 31 19:56:46 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:56:46 -0600 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099252606.3558.7.camel@guyleidadell> could I attach a *very* small shot of just that tiny krell monitor showing the spike? =G On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 13:51 -0600, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 21:33 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > what does top show? > > > > s?n, 31.10.2004 kl. 05.08 skrev W. Guy Thomas: > > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:04 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? > > > > >>What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components > > > > >>(if upgraded)? > > > > >> > > > > >>Tom > > > > >>-- > > > > >>Tom Taylor > > > > >>Registered linux user #263467 > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >ok, fire up gkrellm. > > > > >watch "cpu" > > > > >every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. > > > > >when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts > > > > >for 1 second, then continues. > > > > > > > > > >I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from > > > > >FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock > > > > >FC3T3. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might want to check the GKrellM web site first, the FAQ may be helpful. > > > > > > > > http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I've looked at that. > > > this didn't occur on FC1 or FC2 so I don't think it's gkrellm specific. > > > I still think it's picking up some logging on ext3 or something like > > > that. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > =Guy > > > 23:07:27 up 2 days, 1:36, 3 users, load average: 1.12, 1.24, 1.14 > > > > I don't see anything unusual in top. The spike is so quick, it's > literally a straight up line in gkrellm, just every 5 seconds. > > I'm not sure what else I can use to monitor this. I wouldn't even know > about it if gkrellm hadn't shown it to me. It doesn't affect performance > really, but it's annoying to know it's there. > > any other ideas are welcome. > > -- > =Guy > 13:49:32 up 4:27, 2 users, load average: 0.29, 0.35, 0.36 > -- =Guy 13:56:16 up 4:34, 2 users, load average: 0.72, 0.62, 0.47 From fedora at andrewfarris.com Sun Oct 31 19:58:21 2004 From: fedora at andrewfarris.com (Andrew Farris) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:58:21 -0800 Subject: Nvidia Riva 128 In-Reply-To: <200410302356.55818.psavoie1783@rogers.com> References: <200410302356.55818.psavoie1783@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1099252701.9400.2.camel@andrewfarris.dev> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 23:56 -0400, Phil Savoie wrote: > Hi All, > > I have an old dell Dimension XPS R400 using the Riva 128 nvidia video > built-in card. I can't seem to get FC3T3 to properly configure the video. > It says that it can't find any screens and to be honest, I don't know where > to look to find how to configure the video. Any help would be really > appreciated. system-config-display If that doesn't work, try using the --noui switch to it. Afterwards, look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the configuration. There is a manpage describing this file: man xorg.conf Google for configurations for Riva 128 cards that work, I'm not confident the 'nv' driver supports it still. If not, the generic 'vesa' driver should. -- Andrew Farris (lordmorgul) - CPE student, Cal Poly SLO, pgp keyid 4430F405 pgp.mit.edu "..the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmond Burke) From maze at cela.pl Sun Oct 31 20:15:06 2004 From: maze at cela.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Maciej_=AFenczykowski?=) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:15:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: you can change the top refresh rate (the 's' key), and try to catch it in the act :) On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 21:33 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > what does top show? > > > > s?n, 31.10.2004 kl. 05.08 skrev W. Guy Thomas: > > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:04 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? > > > > >>What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components > > > > >>(if upgraded)? > > > > >> > > > > >>Tom > > > > >>-- > > > > >>Tom Taylor > > > > >>Registered linux user #263467 > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >ok, fire up gkrellm. > > > > >watch "cpu" > > > > >every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. > > > > >when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts > > > > >for 1 second, then continues. > > > > > > > > > >I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from > > > > >FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock > > > > >FC3T3. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might want to check the GKrellM web site first, the FAQ may be helpful. > > > > > > > > http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I've looked at that. > > > this didn't occur on FC1 or FC2 so I don't think it's gkrellm specific. > > > I still think it's picking up some logging on ext3 or something like > > > that. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > =Guy > > > 23:07:27 up 2 days, 1:36, 3 users, load average: 1.12, 1.24, 1.14 > > > > I don't see anything unusual in top. The spike is so quick, it's > literally a straight up line in gkrellm, just every 5 seconds. > > I'm not sure what else I can use to monitor this. I wouldn't even know > about it if gkrellm hadn't shown it to me. It doesn't affect performance > really, but it's annoying to know it's there. > > any other ideas are welcome. > > From mrguytx at austin.rr.com Sun Oct 31 22:25:09 2004 From: mrguytx at austin.rr.com (W. Guy Thomas) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:25:09 -0600 Subject: 5 second cpu spike in FC3T3 In-Reply-To: References: <1099184393.3693.50.camel@guyleidadell> <200410302035.33258.linxt@comcast.net> <1099194319.3693.78.camel@guyleidadell> <41846432.4040200@speakeasy.net> <1099195701.3693.80.camel@guyleidadell> <1099254808.4746.2.camel@kyrre> <1099252271.3558.1.camel@guyleidadell> Message-ID: <1099261509.3558.10.camel@guyleidadell> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 21:15 +0100, Maciej ?enczykowski wrote: > you can change the top refresh rate (the 's' key), and try to catch it in > the act :) > > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, W. Guy Thomas wrote: > > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 21:33 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > what does top show? > > > > > > s?n, 31.10.2004 kl. 05.08 skrev W. Guy Thomas: > > > > On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:04 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Could yoy please provide a bit more description? What do you mean by a spike? > > > > > >>What kind of cpu and other hardware? Software versions of testing components > > > > > >>(if upgraded)? > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Tom > > > > > >>-- > > > > > >>Tom Taylor > > > > > >>Registered linux user #263467 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >ok, fire up gkrellm. > > > > > >watch "cpu" > > > > > >every 5 seconds I get a complete cpu spike to the top of the meter. > > > > > >when pc goes into screensaver mode, every 5 seconds, xscreensaver halts > > > > > >for 1 second, then continues. > > > > > > > > > > > >I am on a Dell C840 laptop, PIII700, 384RAM, 40GB, nvidia graphics (from > > > > > >FC3T3 not nvidia)...nothing special as far as testing, this is stock > > > > > >FC3T3. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might want to check the GKrellM web site first, the FAQ may be helpful. > > > > > > > > > > http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, I've looked at that. > > > > this didn't occur on FC1 or FC2 so I don't think it's gkrellm specific. > > > > I still think it's picking up some logging on ext3 or something like > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > =Guy > > > > 23:07:27 up 2 days, 1:36, 3 users, load average: 1.12, 1.24, 1.14 > > > > > > > I don't see anything unusual in top. The spike is so quick, it's > > literally a straight up line in gkrellm, just every 5 seconds. > > > > I'm not sure what else I can use to monitor this. I wouldn't even know > > about it if gkrellm hadn't shown it to me. It doesn't affect performance > > really, but it's annoying to know it's there. > > > > any other ideas are welcome. > > > > > Interesting. I changed it with "s", to .5 seconds. The two things that pop up every 5 seconds are gkrellm itself, and something vaguely named gtk2_applet2. So what is gtk2_applet2? If it's an applet couldn't it be a java-something? Hmm, curiouser and curiouser. -- =Guy 16:23:31 up 7:01, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.49, 0.88 From pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de Sun Oct 31 23:32:17 2004 From: pboy at barkhof.uni-bremen.de (Peter) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:32:17 +0100 Subject: Having constantly errors burning CD 3 & 4 of RC3 In-Reply-To: <20041030222326.50df24d0.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> References: <1099059668.3530.1.camel@littlePiet> <1099062847.4019.131.camel@gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> <1099166019.3093.6.camel@littlePiet> <20041030222326.50df24d0.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> Message-ID: <1099260574.8734.54.camel@littlePiet> Am Sa, den 30.10.2004 schrieb Michael Schwendt um 22:23: > Padding in conjunction with TAO mode burning avoids run-out sectors at > the end of the ISO data. .... Thanks for the explanation. Peter From dwmw2 at infradead.org Mon Oct 25 23:06:33 2004 From: dwmw2 at infradead.org (David Woodhouse) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:06:33 +0100 Subject: warning to list In-Reply-To: <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> References: <1098672221.9279.1.camel@x1-6-00-0a-e6-c7-6f-d8> <200410242252.52378.lsomike@futzin.com> <1098676607.21605.65.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> <1098677531.21605.70.camel@va.local.linuxlobbyist.org> Message-ID: <1098745593.3872.176.camel@baythorne.infradead.org> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 00:12 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Something else to note about this fake security alert. Red Hat > publishes an SPF record, That is an unfortunate error of judgement on their part. Let's not compound it by advocating the fundamentally flawed snake oil which is SPF in an inappropriate forum. -- dwmw2 From dirk.nissen at tiscali.be Sat Oct 30 18:58:42 2004 From: dirk.nissen at tiscali.be (dirk.nissen at tiscali.be) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:58:42 +0200 Subject: Fedora Core 2.92 Test 3 (86_64) on reiserfs Message-ID: <4161748000008AD6@mail-4-bnl.tiscali.it> I don't know if this is to be considered as a bug, an exotic configuration or an manipulation error. When I was trying to upgrade my Fedora to Fedora Core 2.92 Test 3 (86_64), the program blocked. My root directory is on a reiserfs filesystem. Other distributions are installed on the same disk on other partitions. I removed them from fstab before upgrading. When I selected updating (and after a few other replys, like language and keyboard) a dialog box appeared "looking for packages" the mouse did move and the mousecursor suggested waiting, and changed after a regular interval. Only in the beginning there was some disk access, than nothing else happened. When I did try to install without formatting or erasing the partition, I had the same problem after selecting the packages etc. Using a "linux reiserfs" commandline after the bootcd had started up didn't change anything. My old installation is still functional. If I remember well their was no problem installing the old version, I just had to add the parameter reiserfs in lilo.conf to get the root directory mounted. I hope this is useful -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tiscali ADSL GO & Light, 2 maanden gratis, geniet ervan... http://reg.tiscali.be/adsl/welcome.asp?lg=NL