<html> <head> </head> <body> seth vidal wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1093744179.9616.19.camel@binkley"> <pre wrap="">On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 21:22 -0400, Listman wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">We are all being shafted in this one. For those of you like me that have experienced high quality video courtesy of PWCX..... <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/">http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/</a> Is their any way to talk some sense into the Kernel maintainers? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> You might want to read Greg K-H's faq before you go 'talking sense' into anyone. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lwn.net/Articles/99639/">http://lwn.net/Articles/99639/</a></pre> </blockquote> For what it's worth, my view is that Nemosoft is right. Let me declare my interest, I have two of these webcams - a Philips ToUcam Pro (PCVC 740K) and a similar Logictech webcam. I bought these after some research on the web because there was support for them and because they were high quality with CCD sensors. The Logictech device (or its successor) is widely available at PC World, and my philips cam is in use on my website at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://80.4.116.219/cam.html">http://80.4.116.219/cam.html</a> (in the daylight hours anyway) on an earlier version of redhat linux (7.3.94). I have noticed that these cams do not work on Fedora - and this inhibits me from moving my site to Fedora as I had planned to do. Never mind the religeous aspects of kernel tainting, what matters to me is whether I can use the system. I get a feeling too that there is an effort at defeaturing "Linux". I believe that vsftpd doesn't now work in passive mode (on FC2)- at least without strong linux admin skills - so it appears that in certain areas, using linux is becoming harder. Whether this is deliberate or not I cannot say. <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:1093744179.9616.19.camel@binkley"></blockquote> </body> </html>