<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.9.4"> </HEAD> <BODY> Wait a moment, now i am a not native english speaker as well, and nothing about "release" to me insinuates that its "stable" or "final" or anything like that. Now the word release means to let go of something, or as the dictionary puts it "The act or an instance of issuing something for publication, use, or distribution." Releasing beta code, means people can use it to test (hence the 'release'), it has no baring what so ever on the status of the code. Now if your point is that the implied "stable" when people talk about "included in a release" is not clear to people, especially to people who are not used to such confusing terms as we software people like to use (alpha, beta, gamma, 0.1, stable, final, devel, head, cvs, svn, unstable, experimental, build , snapshot and the list goes on and on..) then you have a point that maybe for such people it would be good to use the full names, "test release" and "final release" or "stable release". However by most people its known that a "release" implies a stable release, and not a unstable (testing/beta/snapshot/etc) release Any press release (sorry wasn't intended to confuse the word "release" even more :-)) will speak of a "company X released a beta release of product Y" or "company X released the latest version of product Y", and people will know what your talking about without any difficulties, right? :-) I think the point i was trying to make though i might have been sidetracked, is that there is nothing inherently wrong with the word "release", its the perfectly appropriate word (and i think perfectly clear) for any "release" of any kind. But in such conversations you might have a point to ask for a stable release to be called that, though what would you call it ... stable or final or official or ... ? :-) On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 16:58 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> To be blunt. If you want to avoid confusing inexperienced users with regard to what a "test release" actually means.. either stop calling them "test releases" or stop using the word "release" in an unqualified way which implies exclusion of "test releases" </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>