<div>On 1/15/06, Gilboa Davara <<a href="mailto:gilboad@gmail.com">gilboad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 08:05 -0600, Justin Conover wrote: > I'm curious how many of the 64 bit os users out there, really need a > 64bit web browser? > > Is there any reason you couldn't live with a 32 bit one? I rather not have unnecessary 32bit libs installed. Plus, I don't really like/need/use flash. > > Can Fedora put firefox.i386 in the x86_64 tree, just like several > other i386 rpms? As long as it's optional, I don't see any reason why not. > > I realize adding it is pretty simple, I've done it for a long time. > However with processors being realitivly cheap new users are buying > the amd64 all the time and want to run a 64 bit os. We either turn > around and tell them, go to <a href="http://mozilla.org">mozilla.org</a> grab the package and install > it else were ( can't find fedora bugs ) or cp your fedora.repo add > i386 through it, and overlap a hole lot of packages, "have fun with > that".... > > I personally use one from <a href="http://mozilla.org">mozilla.org</a> at the moment because I do need > things like flash and plugins like that. Before you start whining > telling me its closed source, my wife is a photorgrapher and her > website has a lot of flash, I'm sure many of you can understand > telling your wife no, can't go to your website because you used closed > source flash would go over like a lead ballon ;) And its not just > here site, I go to a lot of places that have flash and so do a lot of > people. Flash itself is a big pile of ****. It still uses OSS sound. It eats huge amount of CPU time just to display useless adverts. > > Anyway, I propose we either > > 1.) add firefox.i386 and all the deps to the x86_64 tree and install > it by default. What default? Just for flash? > 2.) step 1 plus just drop the x86_64 version. Again, you want flash? you want 32bit firefox? good for you! Either install the required 32bit depths or install a 32bit OS to being with. If you don't see a performance difference between 32bit and 64bit, why did you bother to go 64bit in the first place? > 3.) tell me to take a hike I'm too polite. ;) > 4. Wait for the open source flash player to mature. (<a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/</a>) > I don't care which way you do it, like I said I can get it and have > for a long time, but I'm not new to linux, new to 64bit OS or new to > Fedora, and think that person would have a better time in Fedora if > they can use there browser the first go round and get plugins and > whatever else to work. If you want to be an early adapter and use 64bit *now*, you'll have to learn how to live with missing software/hardware/what-ever support. Else, stick to 32bit till the 64bit arch matures. Gilboa --</blockquote></div>If your talking to me, I'm pretty sure I've already explained it's easy "for me", new people are a different story. Arjan has a good point and I'll just stick to my way and tell the noobies to do it one way or another. My point in all of this is not flash sucks, flash is closed source, blah blah blah. Having a .i386 rpm doesn't break any GPL/Free stuff. What it does provide, is an easy way for people new to Fedora Core 64 a web browser that is easier to setup for additional items that they might use. I'm pretty sure that 100% of the people that use Linux on the desktop use a web browser and it would seem for the most part that firefox is the most used. Adding an easier way for new people is easier than saying go through step 1-5 or do this too, or just install a 32 bit os and forget about the whole "64" thing. I understand dropping the 64 bit version isn't going to happen, I did actually want that or believe it would ever fly, I was narrowing the options down for people to say. 1.) just add it to the repo ;-)