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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/02/15 11:39, Roberto Cornacchia
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      <div dir="ltr">Thank you Craig and Martin for your useful input.
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        <div>You both definitely recommend not to use <a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://example.com">example.com</a>
          for the internal IPA DNS. </div>
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        <div>I was in any case going to avoid .local suffix and any
          invented top-level domain, after some reading on this topic.</div>
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        <div>Using a subdomain like <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://internal.example.com">internal.example.com</a>
          seems reasonable. </div>
        <div>I was under the impression that the freeIPA domain needed
          to be a top-level one, but maybe I was wrong here? Can I still
          keep <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://example.com">example.com</a>
          outside and have freeIPA manage <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://internal.example.com">internal.example.com</a>?<br>
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    IPA DNS is designed only for internal network, so having an internal
    subdomain is good use case. You can keep example.com outside of IPA
    DNS, you just need to configure proper forwarder address pointing to
    external DNS.<br>
    <br>
    Martin^2<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 4 February 2015 at 10:34, Martin
          Basti <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:mbasti@redhat.com" target="_blank">mbasti@redhat.com</a>></span>
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                  <div>On 03/02/15 16:52, Craig White wrote:<br>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:freeipa-users-bounces@redhat.com"
                            target="_blank">freeipa-users-bounces@redhat.com</a>
                          [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:freeipa-users-bounces@redhat.com"
                            target="_blank">mailto:freeipa-users-bounces@redhat.com</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roberto Cornacchia<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 03, 2015 5:20
                          AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:freeipa-users@redhat.com"
                            target="_blank">freeipa-users@redhat.com</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> [Freeipa-users] basic question
                          on DNS configuration</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi guys,</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I can't wait to get
                            freeIPA installed in our small enterprise,
                            but I'd first like to get a couple of basic
                            things straight. </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">My first doubt is about
                            the DNS configuration. Currently, we use a
                            setting that I guess is rather common for
                            small enterprises:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">We own an <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://example.com" target="_blank">example.com</a>
                            domain which is managed by the DNS of an
                            external provider. </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">A couple of subdomains
                            point to public IP addresses outside our
                            local network (e.g. <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.example.com"
                              target="_blank">www.example.com</a> is
                            hosted at our internet provider, <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://server1.example.com"
                              target="_blank">server1.example.com</a>
                            points at a server hosted in a datacenter,
                            etc).</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">All the remaining
                            subdomain (*.<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://example.com" target="_blank">example.com</a>)
                            point at one IP which corresponds to our
                            local router. </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Then we use some simple
                            forwarding rules to forward on to machines
                            that are behind the router (<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://service1.example.com"
                              target="_blank">service1.example.com</a>,
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://desktop1.example.com"
                              target="_blank">desktop1.example.com</a>,
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://desktop2.example.com"
                              target="_blank"> desktop2.example.com</a>,
                            etc).</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Internally, because the
                            enterprise is rather small, we are not using
                            a DNS, but simply /etc/hosts files on each
                            machine. When they can't resolve <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://whatever.example.com"
                              target="_blank">whatever.example.com</a>,
                            then the request goes to the external DNS.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">(sorry about the long-ish
                            background information, probably this
                            configuration is commonly named somehow, but
                            I don't know how)</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Now, a first simple
                            question for you guys would be: </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">When installing freeIPA,
                            with DNS, is the network configuration above
                            still advisable? Can there be any problem?
                            Or should I rather use a different domain
                            for the internal network (I would really NOT
                            like this option, but I'm very interested to
                            know why I should, if that is the case).</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">A second basic question
                            is:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Would you see any
                            potential problem in installing freeIPA on a
                            FC21 Server which currently hosts Atlassian
                            Jira + Atlassian Stash (therefore git
                            repositories) + the required mysql
                            databases?</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">My guess would be that
                            they would not interfere, as:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">- httpd (and related
                            ports) is currently unused)</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">- Both Jira and Stash use
                            thier own tomcat installation on custom
                            ports</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">- mysql shouldn't be a
                            problem?</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">- The machine isn't
                            overloaded at all (4-5 developers use those
                            services)</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Am I overlooking
                            something? Obviously I'd rather have a
                            dedicated freeIPA server, but if the above
                            mentioned coexistence isn't a problem, then
                            this would be more cost-effective.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much for
                            your help, I'm looking forward to this
                            upgrade.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="border:none;padding:0in">Roberto</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1f497d">I would recommend
                              that you create a ‘local’ domain for your
                              internal LAN though you certainly can use
                              your domain name for both the internal LAN
                              and the external world. Obviously you
                              would have to create ‘manual’ entries in
                              DNS for the external servers (like <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.example.com"
                                target="_blank">www.example.com</a>) so
                              your internal LAN systems can resolve it.
                              If you have a ‘local’ domain for your
                              internal LAN, there aren’t name
                              collisions, no need to manually maintain
                              DNS entries for off-LAN servers and no
                              confusion of essentially faking your LAN
                              systems into believing that the IPA server
                              is authoritative for <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://example.com"
                                target="_blank">example.com</a> domain
                              when the rest of the world thinks
                              otherwise. The choice is yours.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1f497d">As for using F21 –
                              you get the latest version of FreeIPA
                              which is something I wish I had here.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1f497d">Git / Stash / Jira
                              represent a fairly hefty memory footprint
                              even if there isn’t that much CPU load. If
                              you have the RAM and cpu cores to handle
                              tossing FreeIPA onto the stack, go for it.
                              You probably will want a replica too as
                              the replica keeps your LAN running if the
                              primary server is unavailable for whatever
                              reason and it minimizes backup needs
                              substantially.</span></p>
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                              style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                              style="color:#1f497d">Craig</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
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              Hello,<br>
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              For using 'local.' domain please read following message,
              to avoid issues on Fedora:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2015-February/msg00010.html"
                target="_blank">https://www.redhat.com/archives/freeipa-users/2015-February/msg00010.html</a><br>
              <br>
              You cant use '<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://example.com" target="_blank">example.com</a>'
              zone for internal IPA DNS.<br>
              <br>
              You can create your internal sub zone, like '<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://internal.example.com" target="_blank">internal.example.com</a>',

              '<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://corp.example.com"
                target="_blank">corp.example.com</a>', where IPA managed
              hosts will be added. It is preferred solution instead of
              creating '.local' hostnames.  Then you can set up global
              forwarder on IPA DNS to your external DNS, where other
              names than '<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://internal.example.com" target="_blank">internal.example.com</a>'
              will be resolved.<br>
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              If I understand correctly, it is internal network, so you
              do not need public resolvable domain names.<span
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                  <pre cols="72">-- 
Martin Basti</pre>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Martin Basti</pre>
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