From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sun Aug 1 01:16:33 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:16:33 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 In-Reply-To: <200407301118.i6UBIfR19930@downeast.net> References: <200407301118.i6UBIfR19930@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1091244867.1016.1.camel@rolston.localdomain> Just checked my very small collection. Only 3 Linux Format mags, about 8 Linux User & Developer mags. Last LU&D had Suse 9 desktop & server CDs. Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 23:07, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > BTW- my last issue hadhpebolic distro on cd...i thought it was pretty cool. > tried it on the laptop and it just worked. > > Thanks Chuck, > > > > One of our real problems is the way broadband is handled here in NZ. > > > > Unlimited traffic at 128K for $40/mth. > > > > Then we get full speed with various traffic limits, and the price goes > > up. > > > > I'm still on 56K dialup, because I can get 150 hrs / mth for $15. > > > > When I get broadband I may take you up on the offer. > > > > Cheers, > > Bert > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 23:40, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > hey anything i > > > can put up for you to download e happy to do so...chuck > > > > It costs between NZ $25 - 30 here. Still the cheapest way for me to get > > > > new distros though! > > > > > > > > I get my copy from the Post Office book shop here. Usually visit once a > > > > week to 10 days. > > > > > > > > Little side note of ho hum interest. Kiefer Sutherland has been in our > > > > neighbourhood as part of his latest movie (whoopie). > > > > > > > > So now we are world famous in New Zealand! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 22:28, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > > > bordess in bangor maine has linux format...i make a weekly > pilgrimage there > > > > > for it..chuck > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > > > > > > > > > We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only > possible > > > > > > explanation for the lag time. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll keep an eye down under. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > > > > > > > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > > > > > > > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > > > > > > > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > > > > > > > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. > For those > > > > > > > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Martin Woolley > > > > > > > ICT Support > > > > > > > Handsworth Grammar School > > > > > > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > > > > > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > > > > > > to whom they are addressed. 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Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 1 01:21:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:21:02 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 Message-ID: <200408010131.i711VnG22592@downeast.net> have a treasured collection of maximum linux...some linux magzine xome linux journal and a few very good sysadmin..i am just a hack..bu avery interested one...qithout ltsp i'd still be in the dark ages..matter of fact still am..but see just enoough light to inspire the team i work with..chuck > Just checked my very small collection. > > Only 3 Linux Format mags, about 8 Linux User & Developer mags. Last LU&D > had Suse 9 desktop & server CDs. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 23:07, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > BTW- my last issue hadhpebolic distro on cd...i thought it was pretty cool. > > tried it on the laptop and it just worked. > > > Thanks Chuck, > > > > > > One of our real problems is the way broadband is handled here in NZ. > > > > > > Unlimited traffic at 128K for $40/mth. > > > > > > Then we get full speed with various traffic limits, and the price goes > > > up. > > > > > > I'm still on 56K dialup, because I can get 150 hrs / mth for $15. > > > > > > When I get broadband I may take you up on the offer. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bert > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 23:40, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > > hey anything i > > > > can put up for you to download e happy to do so...chuck > > > > > It costs between NZ $25 - 30 here. Still the cheapest way for me to get > > > > > new distros though! > > > > > > > > > > I get my copy from the Post Office book shop here. Usually visit once a > > > > > week to 10 days. > > > > > > > > > > Little side note of ho hum interest. Kiefer Sutherland has been in our > > > > > neighbourhood as part of his latest movie (whoopie). > > > > > > > > > > So now we are world famous in New Zealand! > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 22:28, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > > > > bordess in bangor maine has linux format...i make a weekly > > pilgrimage there > > > > > > for it..chuck > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months > > behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only > > possible > > > > > > > explanation for the lag time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll keep an eye down under. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > > > > > > > > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > > > > > > > > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > > > > > > > > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. > > For those > > > > > > > > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Martin Woolley > > > > > > > > ICT Support > > > > > > > > Handsworth Grammar School > > > > > > > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > > > > > > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > > > > > > > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > > > > > > > > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > > > > > > > > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > > > > > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > Specialising in system support > > > > > > > alternative solutions and > > > > > > > Linux operating system > > > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > > > > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > -- > > > > > ================================== > > > > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > > > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > > > > ================================== > > > > > Specialising in system support > > > > > alternative solutions and > > > > > Linux operating system > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > -- > > > ================================== > > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > > ================================== > > > Specialising in system support > > > alternative solutions and > > > Linux operating system > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From tim at litwiller.net Sun Aug 1 03:13:51 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:13:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help the last In-Reply-To: <200407311015.i6VAFwG15017@downeast.net> References: <200407311015.i6VAFwG15017@downeast.net> Message-ID: <410C5FEF.1080304@litwiller.net> I have posted a short "how-to/what I did and why" and the browser.jar file here http://www.litwiller.net cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >i'd like tro have a copy..maybe i could tweak it so the bad boys could only >access their cirrix acct..chuck > > >>I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes away >>the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the user >>change browser settings. >> >>We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card >>catalog web application that runs on another server. >> >>If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a >>copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be >>downloaded. >> >>I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip address >>in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the wiki that >>Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From accessys at smart.net Sun Aug 1 17:07:44 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 In-Reply-To: <200408010131.i711VnG22592@downeast.net> References: <200408010131.i711VnG22592@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > have a treasured collection of maximum linux...some linux magzine xome Maximum Linux was the only one of the linux mags that wasn't geek oriented. I have every issue and they are still worth more to me than all of the others put together... wish it was still being published was worth it at twice the price. Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From usernamenumber at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 18:27:22 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:27:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of questions Message-ID: Hi all, I've recently been contacted by a school in my area (San Diego, CA) that has a bunch of old G3s and PowerBooks which they'd like to turn into a useful computer lab. Though I've never used ltsp before I knew of it and it was the first solution that popped into my head for this scenario. However, I do have a few questions: 1) We'll use an x86 machine for the server, obviously, but how beefy would it need to be to handle a network of about 30 clients? I'm sure this gets asked a lot but I didn't see it on the FAQ. 2) I've been reading the mac-client guide at http://www.k12ltsp.org/mac/LTSPppc.txt ...does anyone have any first-hand experience/erratta that they'd like to share about this process before I begin? 3) Are there any significant differences between k12ltsp and ltsp propper except that ltsp seems designed to run over an existing Linux system and k12ltsp is it's own Fedora-based distribution? Thanks in advance for any help that can be rendered. --Brad From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 1 18:35:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:35:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of questions Message-ID: <200408011845.i71Ijke16185@downeast.net> bill cavalieri has an nfs filesystem and a kernel for netbooting g3's might catch him on #ltsp i use nubus machines as chubby clients...shawn powers also is using macs with x to hok to ltsp..hope it helps... k12ltsp isnow fedoracore with ltsp on topand some handy tweaks eric has added..chuck j> Hi all, > > I've recently been contacted by a school in my area (San Diego, CA) > that has a bunch of old G3s and PowerBooks which they'd like to turn > into a usehope it helps..ul computer lab. Though I've never used ltsp before I knew > of it and it was the first solution that popped into my head for this > scenario. However, I do have a few questions: > > 1) We'll use an x86 machine for the server, obviously, but how beefy > would it need to be to handle a network of about 30 clients? I'm sure > this gets asked a lot but I didn't see it on the FAQ. > > 2) I've been reading the mac-client guide at > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/mac/LTSPppc.txt > > ....does anyone have any first-hand experience/erratta that they'd like > to share about this process before I begin? > > 3) Are there any significant differences between k12ltsp and ltsp > propper except that ltsp seems designed to run over an existing Linux > system and k12ltsp is it's own Fedora-based distribution? > > > Thanks in advance for any help that can be rendered. > --Brad > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 1 18:36:51 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:36:51 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 Message-ID: <200408011847.i71IlWe16293@downeast.net> good to knoq where i can find the archives 8~) chuck > On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > have a treasured collection of maximum linux...some linux magzine xome > > Maximum Linux was the only one of the linux mags that wasn't geek > oriented. I have every issue and they are still worth more to me than all > of the others put together... > > wish it was still being published was worth it at twice the price. > > Bob > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From accessys at smart.net Sun Aug 1 19:28:45 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 In-Reply-To: <200408011847.i71IlWe16293@downeast.net> References: <200408011847.i71IlWe16293@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > good to knoq where i can find the archives 8~) don't know if they exist anymore the website was down last time I tried it. think it was simply www.maximumlinux.com Bob > > chuck > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > > > have a treasured collection of maximum linux...some linux magzine xome > > > > Maximum Linux was the only one of the linux mags that wasn't geek > > oriented. I have every issue and they are still worth more to me than all > > of the others put together... > > > > wish it was still being published was worth it at twice the price. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > > > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Aug 1 20:11:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:11:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple of questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> Yeah -- I have PowerMac 5500s working as thick/chubby clients. Basically, I installed yellowdog (stripped down to minimal) on the computers, and then run a remote X -query command to connect to the LTSP server. I also got sound working using esd on the clients. Note -- the above was accomplished with the help of countless folks on this list, I'm not the "mastermind" behind anything but the determination. :) Feel free to contact me off list if you like. -Shawn From usernamenumber at gmail.com Sun Aug 1 21:42:12 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:42:12 -0700 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Shawn, I will definately take you up on your offer once we get things rolling. However, there was one important question I never saw an answer to: What kind of hardware should I expect to need for the server on an ltsp network of about 30 clients? Thanks, --Brad From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 2 01:17:44 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:17:44 -0400 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> I'm home sick today, missed church and everything, so I'll happily elaborate on one of the most-asked-hardest-to-answer questions. The problem is that it depends SO MUCH on what the configuration and use of the clients are. Also, is the /home directory on the server, or mounted from another file server. Also, is everyone on the computers doing the same thing (ie, mozilla running 30 times is easier than 15 different applications running) I think the RAM rule is to have 50 or 100 MB per client, and 512 for the server itself. That rule may be outdated, and disputed slightly, but it's a pretty good rule to go by. The drive space rule is that if you have more than 8 clients or so, you NEED to have a SCSI based /home directory -- preferably in a RAID array. The CPU rule is that you get as much as you can afford. :) I don't have any real-world track record to go from here. My first large scale deployment will come online in about a month. I bought (3) Dual Xeon 3.2Ghz servers, and I'm running JUST openoffice on one of them, and JUST mozilla on one of them. That's not the "normal" setup -- but I hope it will let me grow. My suggestions, if you're talking about 30 clients -- get 2-3 GB of RAM, Gig ethernet, SCSI based /home directory (15,000RPM drives if possible), and a dual xeon CPU if you can afford it. That might be overkill, I really don't know. I always like to err on the side of safety. :) You'll also need a switch with a gig uplink port for the server. You really don't want to cut corners there, you need a switch, and it has to hook to the server via gigabit. I know that a PIII 1Ghz with 512MB RAM will happily support 4 clients over 100mbit with an IDE drive. That's about the biggest deployment I've had to date. :) You can be sure I'll report after the school year starts as to how my servers are handling it. Maybe this thread could turn into a "you show me yours I'll show you mine" thread, so we can all see what size servers are handling what loads how well. I know there is a spot on the k12ltsp site for case studies, but I've never had a chance to post my setups. Anybody else want to describe their setups? -Shawn From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Mon Aug 2 08:48:10 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:48:10 +1000 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <008701c4786d$711e0e20$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> We use an Dual Athlon 2000MP with 3 gigs ram and SATA Raid (10000k disks). Could easily accomodate 50. We use Icewm which helps astronomically. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Smith" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) > Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Shawn, I will definately take you > up on your offer once we get things rolling. > > However, there was one important question I never saw an answer to: > What kind of hardware should I expect to need for the server on an > ltsp network of about 30 clients? > > Thanks, > --Brad > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org Mon Aug 2 12:09:07 2004 From: aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:09:07 -0400 Subject: Slightly OT :Re: [K12OSN] autologin certain terminals In-Reply-To: <4109D2CC.8040605@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <512454486.1091434147@[10.2.5.152]> Hi, Good timing. Another autologin question. I just need some search terms here. I what to turn old PC's into terminals. Not X terminals, but console only. Task: I installed a linux/python based timeclock system ( punch in/punch out) which you access via telnet. I want to use old PC's as console terminals which when the PC device is turned on it telnet's to the timeclock server, login as a specific user, and the timeclock interface starts. Step three works already. Any ideas ? Thanks, Tom Ventresco From bimalp at indoasian.com Mon Aug 2 12:14:42 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 02 Aug 2004 17:44:42 +0530 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1091448882.5472.3.camel@server.ltsp> dear all, i also need this info. if anyone has pls... regards bimal On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 03:12, Brad Smith wrote: > Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Shawn, I will definately take you > up on your offer once we get things rolling. > > However, there was one important question I never saw an answer to: > What kind of hardware should I expect to need for the server on an > ltsp network of about 30 clients? > > Thanks, > --Brad > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 13:33:03 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:33:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] File Permission Problem In-Reply-To: <000001c47635$46bea520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c47635$46bea520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: The way I fixed this on a server for a program we run is just to go to the directory where the files is and chmod 777 (filename). Then chown root:root (filename). This makes it so that anyone can write to it but it sticks around whenever no one else is using the database. Root always owns the file and it is world read-writeable. May not be the best solution, but it does work for me. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Don't ask why, but here is my problem. I have been hosting a MS Access > Database on our OSX server but now have moved the database to the new > WBEL machine. I have a problem with multiple users logging in at the > same time. Lets say that "root" is the owner of the database and the > enclosing folder, and "data" is the group assigned to the database and > the enclosing folder. Both the owner and group on the database and > folder have full permissions. User x,y,and z belong to group "data". > User "x" logs into the database and the .ldb (locked database) files are > created. This new file is now owned by user "x" since it was created > due to their login. The owner "x" has full permissions but the group > "data" has read only. > > So is there a way to set it so that any file created inside this folder > will give both the owner and group full permissions, no matter who > creates it? I know I can run a cron every so many minutes to fix this > but that seems like a last resort. I figure if I could get it to work > in OSX there must be a way to in Linux. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Aug 2 14:24:26 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:24:26 +0200 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <410E4E9A.2050607@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > Maybe this thread could turn into a "you show me yours I'll show you > mine" thread, so we can all see what size servers are handling what > loads how well. I know there is a spot on the k12ltsp site for case > studies, but I've never had a chance to post my setups. We (the Shuttleworth Foundation and SLUG- schools linux users' group) have established 52 K12LTSP labs in the past year. These labs have between 10 and 42 workstations each, where about 90% of them have 20-24 workstations. Every lab has one server with the following specs: - Pentium 4 - 3ghz with hyperthreading (even though hyperthreading is useless when smp kernel is broken) - 2GB RAM - 2x SATA 120GB Seagate disks - Intel Bonanza 875 motherboard (onboard gigabit ethernet) These machines run quite nicely, and probably give the best bang for buck at the moment (or at least, they do over here). We're gaining more and more acceptance by government and more and more recognition from education departments. Perhaps in the future, all of the 17000 schools in South Africa will be rnning K12LTSP :) -Jonathan From jam at mcquil.com Mon Aug 2 14:35:09 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Shawn, Great stuff. I'll add my $0.02: 1) Ram is more important than CPU speed. I've always found that there is a sweet spot on the cpu pricing. If 3.2Ghz is the current top of the line, then the 2.8ghz cpus are probably the best value for the money. So, put as much ram in as possible, and back down on the speed of the cpus just a bit. You probably won't notice the difference between a 2.8Ghz cpu and a 3.2Ghz cpu. But, I think you'd definately see the difference between 2gb of ram and 4gb of ram. 2) For speed of the drives, it really depends on the applications. In schools, like most of the people on this list, I think the recommendation for SCSI drives is right on target. For businesses, it really depends on the apps, because, in my customers, most of the users are just using xterm to get to another application server, and they aren't storing any data in their home directory. In this case, you can put many many clients on a server with IDE drives. Raid is always a must. The software raid in linux works surprisingly well, and can be used on both SCSI and IDE drives, if you can't afford a raid controller. Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan. On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm home sick today, missed church and everything, so I'll happily > elaborate on one of the most-asked-hardest-to-answer questions. > > The problem is that it depends SO MUCH on what the configuration and use > of the clients are. Also, is the /home directory on the server, or > mounted from another file server. Also, is everyone on the computers > doing the same thing (ie, mozilla running 30 times is easier than 15 > different applications running) > > I think the RAM rule is to have 50 or 100 MB per client, and 512 for the > server itself. That rule may be outdated, and disputed slightly, but > it's a pretty good rule to go by. > > The drive space rule is that if you have more than 8 clients or so, you > NEED to have a SCSI based /home directory -- preferably in a RAID array. > > The CPU rule is that you get as much as you can afford. :) I don't have > any real-world track record to go from here. My first large scale > deployment will come online in about a month. I bought (3) Dual Xeon > 3.2Ghz servers, and I'm running JUST openoffice on one of them, and JUST > mozilla on one of them. That's not the "normal" setup -- but I hope it > will let me grow. > > My suggestions, if you're talking about 30 clients -- get 2-3 GB of RAM, > Gig ethernet, SCSI based /home directory (15,000RPM drives if possible), > and a dual xeon CPU if you can afford it. That might be overkill, I > really don't know. I always like to err on the side of safety. :) > You'll also need a switch with a gig uplink port for the server. You > really don't want to cut corners there, you need a switch, and it has to > hook to the server via gigabit. > > I know that a PIII 1Ghz with 512MB RAM will happily support 4 clients > over 100mbit with an IDE drive. That's about the biggest deployment > I've had to date. :) You can be sure I'll report after the school year > starts as to how my servers are handling it. > > Maybe this thread could turn into a "you show me yours I'll show you > mine" thread, so we can all see what size servers are handling what > loads how well. I know there is a spot on the k12ltsp site for case > studies, but I've never had a chance to post my setups. > > Anybody else want to describe their setups? > > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Mon Aug 2 14:45:13 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:45:13 -0400 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1091457913.9190.6.camel@localhost> I'll be more than happy to share my findings when I deploy our servers here. So, maybe in 5 weeks or so, after classes are in session again. :) -Calvin On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 21:17, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm home sick today, missed church and everything, so I'll happily > elaborate on one of the most-asked-hardest-to-answer questions. > > The problem is that it depends SO MUCH on what the configuration and use > of the clients are. Also, is the /home directory on the server, or > mounted from another file server. Also, is everyone on the computers > doing the same thing (ie, mozilla running 30 times is easier than 15 > different applications running) > > I think the RAM rule is to have 50 or 100 MB per client, and 512 for the > server itself. That rule may be outdated, and disputed slightly, but > it's a pretty good rule to go by. > > The drive space rule is that if you have more than 8 clients or so, you > NEED to have a SCSI based /home directory -- preferably in a RAID array. > > The CPU rule is that you get as much as you can afford. :) I don't have > any real-world track record to go from here. My first large scale > deployment will come online in about a month. I bought (3) Dual Xeon > 3.2Ghz servers, and I'm running JUST openoffice on one of them, and JUST > mozilla on one of them. That's not the "normal" setup -- but I hope it > will let me grow. > > My suggestions, if you're talking about 30 clients -- get 2-3 GB of RAM, > Gig ethernet, SCSI based /home directory (15,000RPM drives if possible), > and a dual xeon CPU if you can afford it. That might be overkill, I > really don't know. I always like to err on the side of safety. :) > You'll also need a switch with a gig uplink port for the server. You > really don't want to cut corners there, you need a switch, and it has to > hook to the server via gigabit. > > I know that a PIII 1Ghz with 512MB RAM will happily support 4 clients > over 100mbit with an IDE drive. That's about the biggest deployment > I've had to date. :) You can be sure I'll report after the school year > starts as to how my servers are handling it. > > Maybe this thread could turn into a "you show me yours I'll show you > mine" thread, so we can all see what size servers are handling what > loads how well. I know there is a spot on the k12ltsp site for case > studies, but I've never had a chance to post my setups. > > Anybody else want to describe their setups? > > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Aug 2 14:54:35 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:54:35 -0400 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF09@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Shawn Powers >> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:18 PM >> >> The drive space rule is that if you have more than 8 clients >> or so, you NEED to have a SCSI based /home directory -- >> preferably in a RAID array. Does anyone have any specific recomendataions for (or warnings against) controllers for hardware SCSI RAID (brands and model numbers)? -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 2 14:58:14 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:58:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File Permission Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c478a1$2325bcc0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > The way I fixed this on a server for a program we run is just > to go to the > directory where the files is and chmod 777 (filename). Then chown > root:root (filename). > > This makes it so that anyone can write to it but it sticks > around whenever > no one else is using the database. Root always owns the file > and it is > world read-writeable. > > May not be the best solution, but it does work for me. Thanks. The problem was the separate umask set in Samba. Once I changed the samba umask to 007 and not just the local linux umask. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 2 15:21:56 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:21:56 -0400 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410E5C14.10200@inlandlakes.org> jam at mcquil.com wrote: > If 3.2Ghz is the current top of the line, then the 2.8ghz cpus are > probably the best value for the money. > > Very good point. In my situation, I've been given the ability to buy this year, and probably will never again be allowed to purchase, well, anything the way budgets look. :) I went with the fastest Xeon processors I could find, hoping to squeeze another year or two of usefullness out of them -- but you make an excellent point Jim, that .4 Ghz isn't worth the X2 cost unless you're in a situation similar to mine. -Shawn From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 15:53:52 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 Message-ID: Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if others were having similar problems. It gives a: Perl execution failed: panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 or something similar. Thanks in advance! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 2 15:52:33 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:52:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410E6341.3020706@paasda.org> doesn't require 'usermin' for that? I'm not a webmin guru...but thought you needed usermin module for doing user management stuff Doug Simpson wrote: >Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > >I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the >adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if >others were having similar problems. > >It gives a: >Perl execution failed: > >panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > >or something similar. > >Thanks in advance! > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 2 15:55:55 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:55:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410E640B.7060007@inlandlakes.org> >It gives a: >Perl execution failed: > >panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > > Doug -- I had this problem on a couple of my boxes, and NEVER figured out what the deal was. I tried versions of perl, manually installing webmin, etc, etc, etc -- and NEVER got it to work. I eventually formatted my drive, and installed WBEL in it's place. Sorry to be so glum about the issue, but I tried for months to figure it out, and finished off the schoolyear last year handling accounts by the commandline. -Shawn From dharkness at nsd2.com Mon Aug 2 15:56:41 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:56:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] AGP video card problem Message-ID: <410E6439.2040605@nsd2.com> I tried remote booting 2 machines with AGP video cards, one has a Riva 128 AGP video card and the other has a Nvidia TNT AGP video card. when they boot into the LTSP server, the monitor starts to flash and you do not see a picutre. they are getting to the server fine, it is just when the GUI tries to start with the Login screen that they have a problem. i tried adding these video cards to the lts.conf file, but they were already there, so i thought they should be supported. right now i have the lts.conf file set to dish out every video with a vesa driver (i found that having the video setting set to AUTO does not work, i had to set to vesa...yes i am running version 4.0 of LTSP). any ideas on how to get it to work correctly...i tried adding the supposed video card settings along with vesa, but to no avail. thanks. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 16:07:44 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:07:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <410E640B.7060007@inlandlakes.org> References: <410E640B.7060007@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Well, this sucks. . . I'm starting a brand new year with this setup and it is a brand new server and all. . . I am not versed well enough to add users from the commandline and have it add them to both linux and samba, hence the use of webmin. . . Well, I have a post in at the webmin discussion forum so maybe someone on there will be able to help. Thanks for the info, though. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > >It gives a: > >Perl execution failed: > > > >panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > > > > > Doug -- I had this problem on a couple of my boxes, and NEVER figured > out what the deal was. I tried versions of perl, manually installing > webmin, etc, etc, etc -- and NEVER got it to work. I eventually > formatted my drive, and installed WBEL in it's place. Sorry to be so > glum about the issue, but I tried for months to figure it out, and > finished off the schoolyear last year handling accounts by the commandline. > > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 2 16:09:46 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:09:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: <410E640B.7060007@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <410E674A.2070504@paasda.org> when I figure out how to use the 'exec()' function in python I'll be posting a nice little script for commandline adding of users from a flat text file... right now it just creates the usernames...just need to get it to plug-in to 'adduser' and the samba add user command =)... but no time frame on this sorry... =) it's a for 'fun-learning' project... --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: >Well, this sucks. . . I'm starting a brand new year with this setup and >it is a brand new server and all. . . > >I am not versed well enough to add users from the commandline and have it >add them to both linux and samba, hence the use of webmin. . . > >Well, I have a post in at the webmin discussion forum so maybe someone on >there will be able to help. > >Thanks for the info, though. . . > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > >>>It gives a: >>>Perl execution failed: >>> >>>panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Doug -- I had this problem on a couple of my boxes, and NEVER figured >>out what the deal was. I tried versions of perl, manually installing >>webmin, etc, etc, etc -- and NEVER got it to work. I eventually >>formatted my drive, and installed WBEL in it's place. Sorry to be so >>glum about the issue, but I tried for months to figure it out, and >>finished off the schoolyear last year handling accounts by the commandline. >> >>-Shawn >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From victor at hiplik.com.hk Mon Aug 2 16:39:19 2004 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor-Home) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:39:19 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 References: Message-ID: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> Hi, I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Simpson" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 > Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > > I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the > adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if > others were having similar problems. > > It gives a: > Perl execution failed: > > panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > > or something similar. > > Thanks in advance! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 16:49:19 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:49:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] autologin Message-ID: Fedora Core 1. Is there a way to make a FC1 server automatically login a particular user and then make that user run a program? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 16:50:14 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:50:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> References: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> Message-ID: Well, I just wonder if it is just a ssl problem. . . I'll try it that way after lunch and see what happens. Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: > Hi, > > I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no > problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' > setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in > WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. > I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. > > Victor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Simpson" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 > > > > Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > > > > I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the > > adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if > > others were having similar problems. > > > > It gives a: > > Perl execution failed: > > > > panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > > > > or something similar. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Aug 2 16:49:35 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:49:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> Message-ID: <410E709F.30909@netscape.net> Hi, You might also look at your IPTABLES setting, you may have the WEBMIN ports blocked. Try to disable iptables -> service iptables stop & then try webmin again. We're using it with FC1 without problems. norbert simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >Well, I just wonder if it is just a ssl problem. . . I'll try it that way >after lunch and see what happens. > >Thanks > > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no >>problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' >>setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in >>WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. >>I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. >> >>Victor >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Doug Simpson" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM >>Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 >> >> >> >> >>>Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? >>> >>>I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the >>>adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if >>>others were having similar problems. >>> >>>It gives a: >>>Perl execution failed: >>> >>>panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 >>> >>>or something similar. >>> >>>Thanks in advance! >>> >>>Doug Simpson >>>Technology Specialist >>>DeQueen Public Schools >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>Tux for President! >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Mon Aug 2 17:21:18 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:21:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 and LVM 2 In-Reply-To: <20040629223640.96152.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040629223640.96152.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DE0885E-E4A8-11D8-A61F-003065EED9CA@newberg.k12.or.us> Does anyone have Fedora core 2 and LVM2 working together? I swear this just doesn't work, and need some verification so i can stop wasting my time in it. - Jamie From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 17:49:43 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:49:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> References: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> Message-ID: Service iptables stop didn't fix it and neither did the ssl options. What now? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: > Hi, > > I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no > problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' > setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in > WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. > I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. > > Victor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Simpson" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 > > > > Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > > > > I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the > > adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if > > others were having similar problems. > > > > It gives a: > > Perl execution failed: > > > > panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > > > > or something similar. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Aug 2 17:54:30 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:54:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> Message-ID: <410E7FD6.2030605@netscape.net> Hi, How did you install webmin ? From the "Install additional software" or did you download the rpm ? norbert simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >Service iptables stop didn't fix it and neither did the ssl options. > >What now? > >Thanks > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no >>problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' >>setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in >>WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. >>I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. >> >>Victor >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Doug Simpson" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM >>Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 >> >> >> >> >>>Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? >>> >>>I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the >>>adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if >>>others were having similar problems. >>> >>>It gives a: >>>Perl execution failed: >>> >>>panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 >>> >>>or something similar. >>> >>>Thanks in advance! >>> >>>Doug Simpson >>>Technology Specialist >>>DeQueen Public Schools >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>Tux for President! >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Mon Aug 2 17:59:44 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:59:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <410E6341.3020706@paasda.org> References: <410E6341.3020706@paasda.org> Message-ID: <410E8110.9000301@chartermi.net> > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? >> >> I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with >> the adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server >> or if others were having similar problems. I had problems with the webmin package on the cd's for both FC1 and FC2, but I removed the rpm's and downloaded the rpm from the webmin site and haven't had a problem with FC1,FC2, or K12LTSP 4.0.x. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Mon Aug 2 18:02:09 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:02:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 and LVM 2 In-Reply-To: <5DE0885E-E4A8-11D8-A61F-003065EED9CA@newberg.k12.or.us> References: <20040629223640.96152.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> <5DE0885E-E4A8-11D8-A61F-003065EED9CA@newberg.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <410E81A1.7040808@chartermi.net> Jamie McParland wrote: > Does anyone have Fedora core 2 and LVM2 working together? I swear this > just doesn't work, and need some verification so i can stop wasting my > time in it. - Jamie Yup, I have a fresh install of FC2 with LVM2 working alright. I haven't tried to add drives yet, since the system is just being tested, but I haven't had any problems. If your setup is a upgrade of a Fedora Core 1 with LVM1 to Fedora Core 2 with LVM2, I've read on the Fedora Core lists that it's not supported and not to try it. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Aug 2 18:20:23 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:20:23 -0500 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <008701c4786d$711e0e20$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <008701c4786d$711e0e20$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <9E62EE36-E4B0-11D8-91D9-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Seagate's new Sata drives are supposed to support NCQ, so even thought they are only 7200 RPM and IDE they might perform pretty well. And they have a 5 year warrany. On Aug 2, 2004, at 3:48 AM, John Simovic wrote: > We use an Dual Athlon 2000MP with 3 gigs ram and SATA Raid (10000k > disks). > Could easily accomodate 50. We use Icewm which helps astronomically. > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEOheEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQpyACePpdT3qdZZ2pQ69yFXRg+yNfG fS8An0a4xJDR9UGajXHOlY3AMV0y3R/v =cFgw - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEOhecACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTn6QCffNUFO7UIsPMjcbDlWtyUO0gt 6KUAnjRRyVbUUXUarKwKGyVRXGF97Ihi =jCFV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 18:32:11 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:32:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <410E7FD6.2030605@netscape.net> References: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> <410E7FD6.2030605@netscape.net> Message-ID: Downloaded RPM. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > How did you install webmin ? From the "Install additional software" or > did you download the rpm ? > > norbert > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: > > >Service iptables stop didn't fix it and neither did the ssl options. > > > >What now? > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Doug Simpson > >Technology Specialist > >DeQueen Public Schools > >DeQueen, AR 71832 > >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >Tux for President! > > > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no > >>problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' > >>setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in > >>WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. > >>I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. > >> > >>Victor > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Doug Simpson" > >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM > >>Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > >>> > >>>I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the > >>>adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if > >>>others were having similar problems. > >>> > >>>It gives a: > >>>Perl execution failed: > >>> > >>>panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > >>> > >>>or something similar. > >>> > >>>Thanks in advance! > >>> > >>>Doug Simpson > >>>Technology Specialist > >>>DeQueen Public Schools > >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 > >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >>>Tux for President! > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > From usernamenumber at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 18:45:43 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:45:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 and LVM 2 In-Reply-To: <410E81A1.7040808@chartermi.net> References: <20040629223640.96152.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> <5DE0885E-E4A8-11D8-A61F-003065EED9CA@newberg.k12.or.us> <410E81A1.7040808@chartermi.net> Message-ID: Excuse the n00b question but are you talking about running k12ltsp on a fresh FC2 install? All the download materials I saw for k12ltsp (as opposed to regular ltsp) seemed to only come bundled in the FC1-based OS. Can you get just the k12ltsp components to insall on top of an FC2 machine or did you do this by copying files from an FC1 server? --Brad On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:02:09 -0400, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > Jamie McParland wrote: > > > Does anyone have Fedora core 2 and LVM2 working together? I swear this > > just doesn't work, and need some verification so i can stop wasting my > > time in it. - Jamie > > Yup, I have a fresh install of FC2 with LVM2 working alright. I haven't > tried to add drives yet, since the system is just being tested, but I > haven't had any problems. > > If your setup is a upgrade of a Fedora Core 1 with LVM1 to Fedora Core 2 > with LVM2, I've read on the Fedora Core lists that it's not supported > and not to try it. > > -- > Eric Feldhusen > Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, > Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and > Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools > emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From usernamenumber at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 19:02:33 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:02:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <410E674A.2070504@paasda.org> References: <410E640B.7060007@inlandlakes.org> <410E674A.2070504@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:09:46 -0700, Huck wrote: > when I figure out how to use the 'exec()' function in python I'll be > posting a nice little script for commandline adding of users from a flat > text file... You might look at the newusers (man newusers) command for this. --Brad From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 2 15:20:27 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:20:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <410E5BBB.2030208@cfl.rr.com> I've been using it with FC1, K12LTSP 4.0.1, and FC2. I'm having no problems like you speak of here, but one thing I'd suggest is go into Webmin Configuration and upgrade modules using the "upgrade modules" module. It's pretty self explanatory, but you have to read it, because the defaults won't actually go out and install the updated modules, it only tells you which ones would be updated. Hope that helps... BC Doug Simpson wrote: >Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > >I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the >adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if >others were having similar problems. > >It gives a: >Perl execution failed: > >panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > >or something similar. > >Thanks in advance! > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 2 19:28:47 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:28:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <410E5BBB.2030208@cfl.rr.com> References: <410E5BBB.2030208@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <410E95EF.3020604@inlandlakes.org> Brian Chase wrote: > I've been using it with FC1, K12LTSP 4.0.1, and FC2. I'm having no > problems like you speak of here, but one thing I'd suggest is go into > Webmin Configuration and upgrade modules using the Yeah -- keep in mind that my configuration worked great for most of last schoolyear -- then it just "broke" one day. I couldn't ever get it fixed. I tried everything and more that folks have suggested here... I never figured out what caused it to break either. From usernamenumber at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 19:54:58 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:54:58 -0700 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <008701c4786d$711e0e20$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <008701c4786d$711e0e20$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:48:10 +1000, John Simovic wrote: > We use an Dual Athlon 2000MP with 3 gigs ram and SATA Raid (10000k disks). > Could easily accomodate 50. We use Icewm which helps astronomically. Are you using IceWm instead of metacity or replacing all of Gnome? From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Mon Aug 2 20:04:15 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:04:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora 2 and LVM 2 In-Reply-To: References: <20040629223640.96152.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> <5DE0885E-E4A8-11D8-A61F-003065EED9CA@newberg.k12.or.us> <410E81A1.7040808@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <410E9E3F.9080602@chartermi.net> Just running a plain install of FC2 as my Samba/print/web servers, then I just use a straight "everything" install of K12LTSP 4.0.x for my terminal servers. So, the short answer is, nope, I'm not running a FC2 based K12LTSP at the moment. Brad Smith wrote: > Excuse the n00b question but are you talking about running k12ltsp on > a fresh FC2 install? All the download materials I saw for k12ltsp (as > opposed to regular ltsp) seemed to only come bundled in the FC1-based > OS. Can you get just the k12ltsp components to insall on top of an FC2 > machine or did you do this by copying files from an FC1 server? > > --Brad > > On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:02:09 -0400, Eric Feldhusen > wrote: > >>Jamie McParland wrote: >> >>>Does anyone have Fedora core 2 and LVM2 working together? I swear this >>>just doesn't work, and need some verification so i can stop wasting my >>>time in it. - Jamie >> >>Yup, I have a fresh install of FC2 with LVM2 working alright. I haven't >>tried to add drives yet, since the system is just being tested, but I >>haven't had any problems. >> >>If your setup is a upgrade of a Fedora Core 1 with LVM1 to Fedora Core 2 >>with LVM2, I've read on the Fedora Core lists that it's not supported >>and not to try it. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Aug 2 20:18:49 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:18:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 In-Reply-To: <200408011847.i71IlWe16293@downeast.net> References: <200408011847.i71IlWe16293@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1091477928.23641.138.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 11:36, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > Maximum Linux was the only one of the linux mags that wasn't geek > > oriented. I have every issue and they are still worth more to me than all > > of the others put together... Another Linux mag along this vein that I quite like is Linux Format. It is expensive because it's from the UK, but it is decidedly geared towards the general PC enthusiast, and does not have the geeky / academic feel that the others have. Lots of really good tutorials on various software (they finished a really nice series on Blender) and a ton of useful information and news. I actually subscribe to it, but it can be found in most Barnes & Noble or Borders stores. The publisher (Future *something*, can't remember exactly) has another Linux magazine that launched recently which also looks quite good. Again, available at B&N and Borders. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From smoogen at lanl.gov Mon Aug 2 20:21:18 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:21:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox security problems to be aware of In-Reply-To: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> Message-ID: Just a heads up from someone reading other lists. There are a couple of problems with firefox dealing with being spoofed by .xul webpages and some other SSL issues (havent had time to see if they are connected.) The .xul issue is that firefox will render .xul in a way that can completely fakeout your browsers look and feel (ie trojan your desktop). Thunderbird may also be affected in parts. I am not sure of the complete implications but I can see new avenues for porn/spam and definately loss of privacy. At the moment, I havent seen much on the 'what to do' other than make .xul a prohibited item in your squid proxy. Hopefully the firefox people will figure out a way to do this safely. There was also mention that there is a way to make mozilla/firefox to only allow javascript from trusted sites. At the moment it can only be done by editing the old prefs.js file.. and they didnt mention what needed to be changed :). -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- "We cannot have a free government without elections; and if the -- rebellion could force us to forgo, or postpone, a national election, -- it might fairly claim to have already conquered us." Abraham Lincoln From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 2 20:30:46 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:30:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <410E5BBB.2030208@cfl.rr.com> References: <410E5BBB.2030208@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I'll try this. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Brian Chase wrote: > I've been using it with FC1, K12LTSP 4.0.1, and FC2. I'm having no > problems like you speak of here, but one thing I'd suggest is go into > Webmin Configuration and upgrade modules using the "upgrade modules" > module. It's pretty self explanatory, but you have to read it, because > the defaults won't actually go out and install the updated modules, it > only tells you which ones would be updated. > > Hope that helps... > > BC > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > >Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > > > >I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the > >adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if > >others were having similar problems. > > > >It gives a: > >Perl execution failed: > > > >panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > > > >or something similar. > > > >Thanks in advance! > > > >Doug Simpson > >Technology Specialist > >DeQueen Public Schools > >DeQueen, AR 71832 > >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >Tux for President! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Aug 3 15:40:01 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:40:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Multimedia on K12LTSP - Mounting vitual CDs on the server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c47970$23ff79e0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> One request we have at my school is to be able to run multimedia CDs (macromedia produced I think) and shockwave content from internet. I have heard that CDs can be mounted in the server for all to access can someone let me know how to do that? Also now that locally run applications are being better supported in 4.1 is there any advantage to getting terminals with more ram and faster processors? I have P166 with 32MB RAM. I was thinking that running multimedia apps locally would take strain off the network and the server. I was thinking of upgrading to PII 400 with 128MB RAM for this. Any comments? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brad Smith Sent: Sunday, 1 August 2004 2:42 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Shawn, I will definately take you up on your offer once we get things rolling. However, there was one important question I never saw an answer to: What kind of hardware should I expect to need for the server on an ltsp network of about 30 clients? Thanks, --Brad _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From smoogen at lanl.gov Mon Aug 2 20:45:42 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Getting back into the swing of things (looking for docs) Message-ID: A long time ago (3 years) I did some ( a very little compared to others ) work with k12ltsp and k12osn on helping North Carolina schools. After a lot of life changes I am wanting to get back into the swing of things, but have a lot more limited time :). I see the need for K12 items here even more than I did in NC.. but I am not good at selling (couldnt sell clothes to naked men in Antartica was what someone told me once.) Do we have good selling documentation that I can give to school boards, other organizations, and just things to help instruct them on what I would like ot do? Also anyone know of projects in NM already? Thanks -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- "We cannot have a free government without elections; and if the -- rebellion could force us to forgo, or postpone, a national election, -- it might fairly claim to have already conquered us." Abraham Lincoln From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Mon Aug 2 20:46:27 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:46:27 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [k12osn] autologin Message-ID: <10048746.1091479587713.JavaMail.oracle@linares> El Lunes, 2 de Agosto de 2004 18:49, Doug Simpson escribi?: > Is there a way to make a FC1 server automatically login a particular user > and then make that user run a program? Of course there's. You can easily use either timed login with gdm [1] or autologin with kdm [2]. If you have any problem using any of the methods just ask ;-). Regards, Edulix. -- [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg09627.htm l [2] http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html From pantz at lqt.ca Mon Aug 2 20:57:13 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:57:13 -0400 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF09@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF09@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <410EAAA9.5040803@lqt.ca> Henry Hartley wrote: > Does anyone have any specific recomendataions for (or warnings > >against) controllers for hardware SCSI RAID (brands and model >numbers)? > > Promise cards are pretty badly supported in linux. Their drivers are closed source and I have personally not had any luck getting one that I had to run with Fedora - ymmv. But with many other companies out there supplying cards that are well supported in linux (eg. adaptec i think) - why bother with Promise? just my 0.23 cents pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From tim at litwiller.net Mon Aug 2 21:11:46 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:11:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox security problems to be aware of In-Reply-To: References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <410EAE12.5030902@litwiller.net> Since we are only allowing users to browse to one internal (intranet) card catalog server - I don't think we have to worry about this, but thanks for the heads up anyways. Stephen Smoogen wrote: >Just a heads up from someone reading other lists. There are a couple of >problems with firefox dealing with being spoofed by .xul webpages and >some other SSL issues (havent had time to see if they are connected.) > >The .xul issue is that firefox will render .xul in a way that can >completely fakeout your browsers look and feel (ie trojan your desktop). >Thunderbird may also be affected in parts. I am not sure of the >complete implications but I can see new avenues for porn/spam and >definately loss of privacy. > >At the moment, I havent seen much on the 'what to do' other than make >.xul a prohibited item in your squid proxy. Hopefully the firefox people >will figure out a way to do this safely. > >There was also mention that there is a way to make mozilla/firefox to >only allow javascript from trusted sites. At the moment it can only be >done by editing the old prefs.js file.. and they didnt mention what >needed to be changed :). > > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Aug 2 23:09:55 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 19:09:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: <00f101c478af$427ec270$6501a8c0@victor> <410E7FD6.2030605@netscape.net> Message-ID: <410EC9C3.20609@netscape.net> Hi, I might try to remove the current version & download a new version, your problem does seem ... odd. good luck norbert simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >Downloaded RPM. > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>How did you install webmin ? From the "Install additional software" or >>did you download the rpm ? >> >>norbert >> >>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >> >> >> >>>Service iptables stop didn't fix it and neither did the ssl options. >>> >>>What now? >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>> >>>Doug Simpson >>>Technology Specialist >>>DeQueen Public Schools >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>Tux for President! >>> >>>On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no >>>>problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' >>>>setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in >>>>WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. >>>>I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. >>>> >>>>Victor >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Doug Simpson" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM >>>>Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? >>>>> >>>>>I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the >>>>>adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if >>>>>others were having similar problems. >>>>> >>>>>It gives a: >>>>>Perl execution failed: >>>>> >>>>>panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 >>>>> >>>>>or something similar. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks in advance! >>>>> >>>>>Doug Simpson >>>>>Technology Specialist >>>>>DeQueen Public Schools >>>>>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>>>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>>>Tux for President! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Aug 2 23:59:27 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:59:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 Message-ID: <200408030009.i7309xD25961@downeast.net> yes i make my pilgrimage to borders twice a week for linux formaat..i take a bag od old ones to read aboard the boat chuck > On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 11:36, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > Maximum Linux was the only one of the linux mags that wasn't geek > > > oriented. I have every issue and they are still worth more to me than all > > > of the others put together... > > Another Linux mag along this vein that I quite like is Linux Format. It > is expensive because it's from the UK, but it is decidedly geared > towards the general PC enthusiast, and does not have the geeky / > academic feel that the others have. Lots of really good tutorials on > various software (they finished a really nice series on Blender) and a > ton of useful information and news. I actually subscribe to it, but it > can be found in most Barnes & yes yNoble or Borders stores. The publisher > (Future *something*, can't remember exactly) has another Linux magazine > that launched recently which also looks quite good. Again, available at > B&N and Borders. > > -- > -Regards- > > -Quentin Hartman- > > Technology Coordinator > South Lane School District > Cottage Grove, Oregon > Office- 541.767.3778 > Mobile- 541-501-1197 > qhartman at lane.k12.or.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Aug 3 02:01:49 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 07:31:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] AGP video card problem In-Reply-To: <410E6439.2040605@nsd2.com> References: <410E6439.2040605@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <1091498508.3054.4.camel@roop.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 21:26, Dale Harkness wrote: > I tried remote booting 2 machines with AGP video cards, one has a Riva > 128 AGP video card and the other has a Nvidia TNT AGP video card. when > they boot into the LTSP server, the monitor starts to flash and you do [SNIP] Both cards should work. Try setting the modeline to low frequency - 60 - and see if this works. The modelines are all written at bottom of the default section in lts.conf of standard K12LTSP. Just remove '#' in front of the first line. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Aug 3 02:17:46 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 07:47:46 +0530 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <1091448882.5472.3.camel@server.ltsp> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <1091448882.5472.3.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1091499466.3054.14.camel@roop.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 17:44, bimal pandit wrote: > dear all, > > i also need this info. if anyone has pls... In an office environment with upto 30 concurrent users using OO & Mozilla mainly the following setup copes: P4-2.2ghz 2gb ram onboard 1g NIC (although even 10m works) 2xscsi drives with software raid0 /home, /var & swap 1xide drive /, /tmp Earlier I had tried with ide linux raid0 it barely works beyond 10~12 concurrent connections. ide SATAx2 linux raid0 was surprisingly better but nothing near scsi. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From patmo98 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 03:29:32 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:29:32 -0700 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <1091499466.3054.14.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <1091448882.5472.3.camel@server.ltsp> <1091499466.3054.14.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <410F069C.2000102@yahoo.com> Sudev Barar wrote: >On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 17:44, bimal pandit wrote: > > >>dear all, >> >>i also need this info. if anyone has pls... >> >> >In an office environment with upto 30 concurrent users using OO & >Mozilla mainly the following setup copes: >P4-2.2ghz >2gb ram >onboard 1g NIC (although even 10m works) > > > Does 10Mbit work or do you need 100Mbit? Thanks, Patrick From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Aug 3 04:43:04 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:13:04 +0530 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) In-Reply-To: <410F069C.2000102@yahoo.com> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <1091448882.5472.3.camel@server.ltsp> <1091499466.3054.14.camel@roop.ltsp> <410F069C.2000102@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091508183.7660.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 08:59, Patrick Mohr wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > >onboard 1g NIC (although even 10m works) > > > > > > > Does 10Mbit work or do you need 100Mbit? > Thanks, Patrick As I said "although" even 10Mbit works, minimum need is 100Mbit -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 3 05:14:40 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Back from Mexico... Message-ID: I'm back from vacation & will be catching up over the next couple of days. Looks like I'm only 200 emails behind, I'll try to at least skim over them tonight. If I missed something major, please whack me with the clue stick so I can get right on it ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 3 06:34:50 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: >Downloaded RPM. Make sure that you have webmin-1.150-1 installed: rpm -q webmin If not, grab the lastest from http://www.webmin.com or from my ftp server. -Eric > >On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> How did you install webmin ? From the "Install additional software" or >> did you download the rpm ? >> >> norbert >> >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >> >> >Service iptables stop didn't fix it and neither did the ssl options. >> > >> >What now? >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> > >> >Doug Simpson >> >Technology Specialist >> >DeQueen Public Schools >> >DeQueen, AR 71832 >> >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> >Tux for President! >> > >> >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >>Hi, >> >> >> >>I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no >> >>problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' >> >>setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in >> >>WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. >> >>I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. >> >> >> >>Victor >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Doug Simpson" >> >>To: >> >>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM >> >>Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? >> >>> >> >>>I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the >> >>>adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if >> >>>others were having similar problems. >> >>> >> >>>It gives a: >> >>>Perl execution failed: >> >>> >> >>>panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 >> >>> >> >>>or something similar. >> >>> >> >>>Thanks in advance! >> >>> >> >>>Doug Simpson >> >>>Technology Specialist >> >>>DeQueen Public Schools >> >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 >> >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> >>>Tux for President! >> >>> >> >>> From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Tue Aug 3 07:12:20 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:12:20 +1000 Subject: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Hey SHawn, how are you allowing users to use apps form one server to the next? ssh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Powers" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Minimum Server Specs (was Re: [K12OSN] A couple of questions) > I'm home sick today, missed church and everything, so I'll happily > elaborate on one of the most-asked-hardest-to-answer questions. > > The problem is that it depends SO MUCH on what the configuration and use > of the clients are. Also, is the /home directory on the server, or > mounted from another file server. Also, is everyone on the computers > doing the same thing (ie, mozilla running 30 times is easier than 15 > different applications running) > > I think the RAM rule is to have 50 or 100 MB per client, and 512 for the > server itself. That rule may be outdated, and disputed slightly, but > it's a pretty good rule to go by. > > The drive space rule is that if you have more than 8 clients or so, you > NEED to have a SCSI based /home directory -- preferably in a RAID array. > > The CPU rule is that you get as much as you can afford. :) I don't have > any real-world track record to go from here. My first large scale > deployment will come online in about a month. I bought (3) Dual Xeon > 3.2Ghz servers, and I'm running JUST openoffice on one of them, and JUST > mozilla on one of them. That's not the "normal" setup -- but I hope it > will let me grow. > > My suggestions, if you're talking about 30 clients -- get 2-3 GB of RAM, > Gig ethernet, SCSI based /home directory (15,000RPM drives if possible), > and a dual xeon CPU if you can afford it. That might be overkill, I > really don't know. I always like to err on the side of safety. :) > You'll also need a switch with a gig uplink port for the server. You > really don't want to cut corners there, you need a switch, and it has to > hook to the server via gigabit. > > I know that a PIII 1Ghz with 512MB RAM will happily support 4 clients > over 100mbit with an IDE drive. That's about the biggest deployment > I've had to date. :) You can be sure I'll report after the school year > starts as to how my servers are handling it. > > Maybe this thread could turn into a "you show me yours I'll show you > mine" thread, so we can all see what size servers are handling what > loads how well. I know there is a spot on the k12ltsp site for case > studies, but I've never had a chance to post my setups. > > Anybody else want to describe their setups? > > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Aug 3 08:22:30 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:22:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to an E-Smith Server Message-ID: <00e001c47933$04ff26e0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All.... Just a quick one... I was wondering if any one could point me in the direction of how to get my K12LTSP Servers to authenticate to an E-Smith Server... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bimalp at indoasian.com Tue Aug 3 08:23:33 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 03 Aug 2004 13:53:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] AGP video card problem In-Reply-To: <410E6439.2040605@nsd2.com> References: <410E6439.2040605@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <1091521413.10320.15.camel@server.ltsp> dear Dale, as per my views though "vesa" will work with almost all the monitors but you can have your own driver/librarirs for that by installing the specific chipset drivers/libraries. further as you are getting the problem at start time, so you need to check the mouse settings for terminals in lts.conf file as this also causes such problem!! regards, bimal On Mon, 2004-08-02 at 21:26, Dale Harkness wrote: > I tried remote booting 2 machines with AGP video cards, one has a Riva > 128 AGP video card and the other has a Nvidia TNT AGP video card. when > they boot into the LTSP server, the monitor starts to flash and you do > not see a picutre. they are getting to the server fine, it is just when > the GUI tries to start with the Login screen that they have a problem. > i tried adding these video cards to the lts.conf file, but they were > already there, so i thought they should be supported. right now i have > the lts.conf file set to dish out every video with a vesa driver (i > found that having the video setting set to AUTO does not work, i had to > set to vesa...yes i am running version 4.0 of LTSP). any ideas on how > to get it to work correctly...i tried adding the supposed video card > settings along with vesa, but to no avail. thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Aug 3 10:31:57 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:31:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] www.k12ltsp.org down ? Message-ID: <000a01c47945$1a789170$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Well Subject says it all really..... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 11:02:07 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] www.k12ltsp.org down ? In-Reply-To: <000a01c47945$1a789170$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <20040803110207.40115.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> I can't get to it either. I hope they are setting-up something special for the Linux World Conference. ;-) --- Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > Well Subject says it all really..... > > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Aug 3 12:39:28 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:39:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is 1.150-1. Same thing happens with 1.140, too, though. . . What is your FTP server? Maybe I'll try your's and see if it works. . . Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > > >Downloaded RPM. > > Make sure that you have webmin-1.150-1 installed: > > rpm -q webmin > > If not, grab the lastest from http://www.webmin.com or from > my ftp server. > > -Eric > > > > >On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> How did you install webmin ? From the "Install additional software" or > >> did you download the rpm ? > >> > >> norbert > >> > >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: > >> > >> >Service iptables stop didn't fix it and neither did the ssl options. > >> > > >> >What now? > >> > > >> >Thanks > >> > > >> > > >> >Doug Simpson > >> >Technology Specialist > >> >DeQueen Public Schools > >> >DeQueen, AR 71832 > >> >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >> >Tux for President! > >> > > >> >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Victor-Home wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>Hi, > >> >> > >> >>I used WebMin both 1.41 and 1.50 versions with K12LTSP 4.0.1 and there is no > >> >>problem with user feature. I can easily add new users and change users' > >> >>setting through the web browser. However, I turn off the SSL option in > >> >>WebMin and also change the default port of 10000 to other port. > >> >>I also use WbMin in FC2 and K12LTSP4.1beta1 and there is no problem too. > >> >> > >> >>Victor > >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>From: "Doug Simpson" > >> >>To: > >> >>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:53 PM > >> >>Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>Is anyone successfully using WebMin with FC1? > >> >>> > >> >>>I tried versions 1.41 and 1.50 of WebMin and something is wrong with the > >> >>>adding user feature and I was wondering if it was just this server or if > >> >>>others were having similar problems. > >> >>> > >> >>>It gives a: > >> >>>Perl execution failed: > >> >>> > >> >>>panic: realloc ./user-lib.pl line 928 > >> >>> > >> >>>or something similar. > >> >>> > >> >>>Thanks in advance! > >> >>> > >> >>>Doug Simpson > >> >>>Technology Specialist > >> >>>DeQueen Public Schools > >> >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 > >> >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >> >>>Tux for President! > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 3 12:46:55 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:46:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: <009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> <009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <410F893F.9010600@inlandlakes.org> John Simovic wrote: >Hey SHawn, how are you allowing users to use apps form one server to the >next? ssh? > > I'm actually going to use rsh -- because programs are called from a private subnet on a separate gig switch (all the servers use that 2nd NIC for mounting /home or whatever servers need to talk to each other about) I would use ssh if it was on the public (well, public in my building) side of the servers. I am hoping someday to get "local apps" to include the ability to run apps from other servers -- which would be a much easier way to implement that kind of setup. I'm not sure how local apps work now, but it seems a good method to "tweak" to allow that sort of thing. ie, instead of "local" apps, have it use apps from a remote RSH/SSH server... Who knows, maybe this idea will tickle Jim's ear, and he'll want to incorporate the idea into LTSP proper. ;) All that said, and I still have not set up the servers to do it, because HP shipped my dual CPU servers with 1 CPU each... So I combined all my CPUs into 2 "full" servers, and I have 2 empty ones waiting for parts... -Shawn From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 3 13:14:22 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:14:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] www.k12ltsp.org down ? In-Reply-To: <20040803110207.40115.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c4795b$cb1c7080$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> I just tried as well and it still isn't working. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Chris Thomas > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:02 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] www.k12ltsp.org down ? > > > I can't get to it either. I hope they are setting-up > something special for the Linux World Conference. ;-) > > --- Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > > > > Well Subject says it all really..... > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Gavin Spurgeon > > Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > > Tel: 01322 620400 > > DDI: 01322 620501 > > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 3 13:14:59 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:14:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DOH (wiki help) Message-ID: <410F8FD3.5020803@inlandlakes.org> Hello, my name is Murphy. Today, I'm following my own law... :) Does anyone have a mirror of the k12ltsp.org/phpwiki ? I need some of the info in there (setting up default icewm, etc, etc) and it's offline on the *1* day I need to browse it... If not, could someone get me started, I want to: *Set icewm as the default wm in kdm *Stop nautilus from opening a new window every time I log into icewm *Figure out where to setup the "default" look of kde and gnome (taskbar sizes, etc) Thanks a bunch, -Shawn From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Aug 3 13:37:02 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:37:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org><009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <410F893F.9010600@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Shawn... > I'm actually going to use rsh -- because programs are called from a > private subnet on a separate gig switch (all the servers use that 2nd > NIC for mounting /home or whatever servers need to talk to each other about) I would 'LOVE' to know how you set this up... I currently have 8 HP Blade Server (BL20p) all with x2 Xeon 2.80GHz or above... I have 4 running K12LTSP and would love to implement the 'Exact' same setup as you have... Each Blade has x3 1Gig NICz all plugged into a Cisco Cat6500... and I would like to have 1 Nic used for inter Server commz & the other to bonded for Network Services (This bit is easy) So if you could point me in the correct direction or if you have a HOWTO, I would love to look into it and make a very detailed HOWTO about the setup... If anyone else can point me in the correct direction that would be great.... Thanx for all your time... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From aaa at pacifier.com Tue Aug 3 13:40:23 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 06:40:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1.0 trouble with pxe boot Message-ID: <410F95C7.9020406@pacifier.com> Upgraded my server from 4.0.1 to 4.1.0 beta. Trying to boot my panasonic toughbook W2 with the PXE method. Get an IP address and gateway. Next line says TFTP PXE-T01:File not found PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not found PXE-M0F: Exiting PXE ROM What file do I need to put where so I can proceed? Thanks, Duane Wilson From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 3 13:52:59 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:52:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: <000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org><009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <410F893F.9010600@inlandlakes.org> <000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <410F98BB.1070704@inlandlakes.org> >the other to bonded for Network Services (This bit is easy) lol -- that's the only part that's *not* easy for me. ;) Haven't figured out bonded NICs yet... I just simply bought a gigabit switch, and assigned a 192.168.x.x address to one NIC from each server. (my "public" range is a 10. network) I mount /home via NFS, but for the address use always the 192.168 address. I plan to pipe all the rsh/ssh traffic on that switch too, to save the load on the "public" side of my LTSP server. So basically, when I set up the application, instead of calling the app via the 10. address, I'll call it via the 192.168 address, and the traffic will go on that switch. (NOTE: When I say public and private, it's not like the standard LTSP setup -- I don't have a private network that all my clients are behind like the standard install, but rather my services are split up over several servers, and my entire district is in the same network segment, whether they are LTSP or standard desktops... Sorry if that confuses anyone) So far, this setup seems very slick. It's still not the perfect solution for scaling, because even splitting up the apps will have it's limit (ie, what about when 1 server can't handle openoffice for everyone...) My only thought when that time comes is some sort of round-robin or load-balanced DNS entry for what server to connect to. It's been discussed on this list in the past, but there's not a definitive way to do it. Ideally, plopping another server into the mix to scale would be nice -- but in practicality, it's not that simple. Yet. -Shawn From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 3 14:39:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:39:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: <000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org> <009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <410F893F.9010600@inlandlakes.org> <000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1091543977.7142.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 08:37, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > I would 'LOVE' to know how you set this up... > I currently have 8 HP Blade Server (BL20p) all with x2 Xeon 2.80GHz or > above... > I have 4 running K12LTSP and would love to implement the 'Exact' same setup > as you have... > Each Blade has x3 1Gig NICz all plugged into a Cisco Cat6500... > and I would like to have 1 Nic used for inter Server commz & > the other to bonded for Network Services (This bit is easy) Your Cisco 6500 can be configured for VLANs if you want to isolate any set of NICs. Just put them on a different subnet on the PC side and a separate VLAN on the switch. I doubt if bonding two gig NIC's is going to gain anything. You probably can't overload one with normal traffic, especially if you already have split X/NFS to different NICs. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Aug 3 14:53:38 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:53:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org><009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <410F893F.9010600@inlandlakes.org><000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <410F98BB.1070704@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001001c47969$a8e98620$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Shawn > >the other to bonded for Network Services (This bit is easy) > > lol -- that's the only part that's *not* easy for me. ;) Haven't > figured out bonded NICs yet... Go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/bonding.htm There are two Very easy ways to bond multiple NICz in Linux I prefer the 1st of the two ways... and has worked very well for me on all of my servers (35+ @ the mo....) all running RedHat/Fedora I have quite a few HOWTOz most I put very detailed Screen Captures into & stuff like that so even the lowest skilled Tech'ies in my Department can do things I need them to do... But have taken down my main site wile I re-design it... I also have 100's of Pics of my setup here @ different stages of itz growth. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Aug 3 14:58:23 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:58:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org><009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <410F893F.9010600@inlandlakes.org><000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <410F98BB.1070704@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002101c4796a$52c1e6b0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Shawn... > I just simply bought a gigabit switch, and assigned a 192.168.x.x > address to one NIC from each server. (my "public" range is a 10. > network) I mount /home via NFS, but for the address use always the > 192.168 address. I plan to pipe all the rsh/ssh traffic on that switch > too, to save the load on the "public" side of my LTSP server. So > basically, when I set up the application, instead of calling the app via > the 10. address, I'll call it via the 192.168 address, and the traffic > will go on that switch. The switch & IP bit isn't a pro... itz the how to call Appz on a different server & the whole RSH thing I don't know how to setup.... Are there any Docz/HOWTOz you used to get the multi server/RSH setup going ? Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 3 14:53:05 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1.0 trouble with pxe boot In-Reply-To: <410F95C7.9020406@pacifier.com> Message-ID: Duane, What do you have for the 'filename' entry in your dhcpd.conf file ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Duane Wilson wrote: > Upgraded my server from 4.0.1 to 4.1.0 beta. > > Trying to boot my panasonic toughbook W2 with the PXE method. > > Get an IP address and gateway. > > Next line says > TFTP > PXE-T01:File not found > PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not found > PXE-M0F: Exiting PXE ROM > > What file do I need to put where so I can proceed? > > Thanks, > Duane Wilson > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Aug 3 15:02:03 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:02:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] HOWTO - bond multiple NICz in Linux (The Easy Way) Message-ID: <005f01c4796a$d5fb0a70$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Spurgeon" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) Hi Shawn > the other to bonded for Network Services (This bit is easy) > > lol -- that's the only part that's *not* easy for me. ;) Haven't > figured out bonded NICs yet... Go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/bonding.htm There are two Very easy ways to bond multiple NICz in Linux I prefer the 1st of the two ways... and has worked very well for me on all of my servers (35+ @ the mo....) all running RedHat/Fedora I have quite a few HOWTOz most I put very detailed Screen Captures into & stuff like that so even the lowest skilled Tech'ies in my Department can do things I need them to do... But have taken down my main site wile I re-design it... I also have 100's of Pics of my setup here @ different stages of itz growth. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 3 15:03:14 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:03:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] www.k12ltsp.org down ? In-Reply-To: <20040803110207.40115.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040803110207.40115.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091545394.16406.163.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 04:02, Chris Thomas wrote: > I can't get to it either. DNS problem. I fixed it. > I hope they are setting-up > something special for the Linux World Conference. ;-) The demo server in the LTSP booth will be running K12LTSP ;-) I wish I could have made it, but it was not meant to be this year... -Eric > --- Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > > > > Well Subject says it all really..... > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Gavin Spurgeon > > Assistant Systems Administrator > > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > > Tel: 01322 620400 > > DDI: 01322 620501 > > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 3 14:44:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:44:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1091544288.7142.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 01:34, Eric Harrison wrote: > Make sure that you have webmin-1.150-1 installed: > > rpm -q webmin > > If not, grab the lastest from http://www.webmin.com or from > my ftp server. You'll currently have 1-130 for fc1 and 1-140 for fc2 based versions of k12ltsp at the current update level. Would it break anything to push 1.150-1 into the apt/yum update repository? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 3 15:17:24 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:17:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <1091544288.7142.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1091544288.7142.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1091546243.16406.166.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 07:44, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 01:34, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Make sure that you have webmin-1.150-1 installed: > > > > rpm -q webmin > > > > If not, grab the lastest from http://www.webmin.com or from > > my ftp server. > > You'll currently have 1-130 for fc1 and 1-140 for fc2 based > versions of k12ltsp at the current update level. Would it > break anything to push 1.150-1 into the apt/yum update repository? Hmmm, I had pushed 1.150-1 into the apt/yum repository. I deleted the old ones, just to make sure that apt/yum is not getting confused. I'll go rebuild the repositories... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tbuchanan at vinu.edu Tue Aug 3 15:25:37 2004 From: tbuchanan at vinu.edu (tbuchanan at vinu.edu) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:25:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <1091546243.16406.166.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: I use autoupdate to maintain my local repository and it has always complained about the webmin rpm having the wrong size beginning with 1.130. Don't know if this is a problem. Below is output from the log. autoupdate version 5.3.7 Using architecture: i686 rpm is 4.1 or newer. Checking size of all rpms. Using rpms from /share/muddy/public/redhat/fedora-2/k12ltsp. Opening provides database (ro): /share/muddy/public/redhat/fedora-2/k12ltsp/autoprovides.db Getting local rpms for comparison: /share/muddy/public/redhat/fedora-2/Fedora/RPMS Doing download part. Processing download config files: Reading dld config file: fc2-k12ltsp.dld Fetching rpms from 'ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us'. Parsing /apt/fc2/headers/header.info Selecting new rpms. New rpms from k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us: ORBit2-2.10.0-4.i386.rpm Opening provides database (rw): /share/muddy/public/redhat/fedora-2/k12ltsp/autoprovides.db ORBit2-devel-2.10.0-4.i386.rpm . . . . . . . webmin-1.150-1.noarch.rpm Warning: webmin-1.150-1.noarch.rpm: Incorrect size. Opening provides database (ro): /share/muddy/public/redhat/fedora-2/k12ltsp/autoprovides.db Downloaded a total of 12 rpms. Removing bad rpms: webmin-1.150-1.noarch.rpm Doing purge part. Purging rpms: gimp-2.0.2-1.fc2.2.i386.rpm gimp-devel-2.0.2-1.fc2.2.i386.rpm Writing autoinfo file: /share/muddy/public/redhat/fedora-2/k12ltsp/autoinfo.bz2 Eric Harrison Sent by: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com 08/03/2004 10:17 AM Please respond to "Support list for opensource software in schools." To "Support list for opensource software in schools." cc Subject Re: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 07:44, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 01:34, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Make sure that you have webmin-1.150-1 installed: > > > > rpm -q webmin > > > > If not, grab the lastest from http://www.webmin.com or from > > my ftp server. > > You'll currently have 1-130 for fc1 and 1-140 for fc2 based > versions of k12ltsp at the current update level. Would it > break anything to push 1.150-1 into the apt/yum update repository? Hmmm, I had pushed 1.150-1 into the apt/yum repository. I deleted the old ones, just to make sure that apt/yum is not getting confused. I'll go rebuild the repositories... -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Aug 3 15:36:40 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:36:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wireles" pxe boot ? Message-ID: <410FB108.5050702@netscape.net> Hi, This may be a nutty question but is there a "wireless" equivalent to the PXE boot CD ? thanks norbert From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Aug 3 16:34:59 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:34:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <1091544288.7142.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1091544288.7142.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I actually downloaded and installed, manually, myself, version 1.150-1 from webmin. I did not install the webmin that was linked from the FC1 install disks. So, the version is 1.150-1. The problem also show up in 1.40x as well, though. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 01:34, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Make sure that you have webmin-1.150-1 installed: > > > > rpm -q webmin > > > > If not, grab the lastest from http://www.webmin.com or from > > my ftp server. > > You'll currently have 1-130 for fc1 and 1-140 for fc2 based > versions of k12ltsp at the current update level. Would it > break anything to push 1.150-1 into the apt/yum update repository? > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Aug 3 16:39:05 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:39:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: RHEL Follett help?!?! (fwd) Message-ID: This is a forwarded message from a friend. Please read on. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:21:32 -0500 From: Caleb Wagnon To: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Subject: Fwd: RHEL Follett help?!?! Hey Doug...I've got a favor to ask. Can you post this message I've forwarded to you to the K12osn? And if you would...they have blacklisted our bryantschools.org mailserver so I can't post...maybe ask about that as well? I can't get Follett Faircom server to install on Redhat Enterprise. I get: ./fscfslx: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory libstdc++ is installed. Missing libraries? Different version requirements? How can I get this going? Caleb Wagnon Network Administrator Bryant Public Schools (501)847-5631 ext:2001 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Caleb Wagnon" Subject: RHEL Follett help?!?! Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:12:09 -0500 Size: 696 URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 3 16:49:44 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:49:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: RHEL Follett help?!?! (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1091551783.16406.174.camel@server.ltsp> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:21:32 -0500 > From: Caleb Wagnon > To: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Subject: Fwd: RHEL Follett help?!?! > > Hey Doug...I've got a favor to ask. Can you post this message I've > forwarded to you to the K12osn? And if you would...they have blacklisted > our bryantschools.org mailserver so I can't post...maybe ask about that > as well? A lookup on the IP address of your mail server shows that you are on a consumer DSL line. It is a common practice not to accept email from DSL/dial-up/Cable Modem IPs. http://www.senderbase.org/?searchBy=ipaddress&sb=1&searchString=65.71.146.89 > > I can't get Follett Faircom server to install on Redhat Enterprise. I > get: > > ./fscfslx: error while loading shared libraries: > libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file > or directory > > > libstdc++ is installed. Missing libraries? Different version > requirements? How can I get this going? Here's a neat little trick: # up2date --whatprovides libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.96.126 # up2date -i compat-libstdc++ Done. ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 3 16:54:52 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:54:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question Message-ID: <410FC35C.4010308@paasda.org> I've followed D. Trask's lovely Samba/LDAP walkthrough... I've gotten to the point where you attach the computer to the domain...(XP PRO)... and the machine attaches... But when I attempt to login to the domain it returns an invalid username or password error message. any ideas? cap-locks off... password correct...case-sense correct..username correct...all those normal user errors resolved... so must be a config/admin error somewhere along the way Eh? =) --Huck From jkinz at kinz.org Tue Aug 3 17:08:05 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:08:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dynamic IP Mail routing, Was:RHEL Follett help? In-Reply-To: <1091551783.16406.174.camel@server.ltsp>; from eharrison@mail.mesd.k12.or.us on Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 09:49:44AM -0700 References: <1091551783.16406.174.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040803130805.B2120@redline.comcast.net> On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 09:49:44AM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > > From: Caleb Wagnon > > Hey Doug...I've got a favor to ask. Can you post this message I've > > forwarded to you to the K12osn? And if you would...they have blacklisted > > our bryantschools.org mailserver so I can't post...maybe ask about that > > A lookup on the IP address of your mail server shows that you are on a > consumer DSL line. It is a common practice not to accept email from > DSL/dial-up/Cable Modem IPs. Eric's right, Caleb. You have a Dynamic IP address and all the large ISP's and many others simply won't allow any SMTP connections from dynamic IP addresses. I had the same problem for kinz.org. If you don't have a dynamic IP, then somehow your ISP has messed up cause your IP address is in the Dynamic IP address lists, start complaining to your ISP right away! There is a workaround that may help. If you are using sendmail place a line like this one in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc: define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.comcast.net')dnl Replace "smtp.comcast.net" with the email gateway of your ISP (smtp.swbell.net maybe?). Then run make in that dir, and restart your sendmail server. You may find that your ISP uses "throttling" on their email gateway, but you should be able to convince them to un-throttle you if you are a legitimate school, and most especially if you really have a static IP. -- Our father, which art in Redmond, Monopoly be thy name. Thy empire come, thy OS never done, shipping as it is in development Give us this day, our daily bug And forgive us address violations as we forgive those viruses that trespass against us Lead us not unto competition but deliver us from Choice For thine is the license, the revenue and the greed forever. Amen ========================================== Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 3 18:41:26 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:41:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: <002101c4796a$52c1e6b0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <410D4E55.30808@inlandlakes.org> <410D9638.1050308@inlandlakes.org><009201c47929$38e46a10$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <410F893F.9010600@inlandlakes.org><000f01c4795e$f53b2fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <410F98BB.1070704@inlandlakes.org> <002101c4796a$52c1e6b0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <410FDC56.60608@maltzen.net> This isn't a how-to, but to setup using ssh each user will need to have a home directory on the app server and an ID identical to the one on the terminal server. It would probably be worthwhile to look into NIS or LDAP and NFS for this to keep the IDs, PWs, etc. in sync between the terminal server and the app server. Assuming that's working, each user needs a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file on the app server--see http://www.arches.uga.edu/~pkeck/ssh/ for a how-to on setting up public keys with ssh (skip step #5). This will allow one to ssh to the app server without needing a password and ssh will automagically set the DISPLAY variable. Make sure the permissions on the user's home directory and .ssh directory are each set to 600, or it won't work. Once you've got that authorized_keys2 setup, try running, say, 'ssh appserver ls' on the terminal server; if you get a directory listing, you're in business; if not, check the log files of both machines. Then try 'ssh appserver mozilla' or some other graphical app, and it should automatically appear on the thin client. Hopefully, this will at least point you in the right direction. Petre Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi Shawn... > > > >>I just simply bought a gigabit switch, and assigned a 192.168.x.x >>address to one NIC from each server. (my "public" range is a 10. >>network) I mount /home via NFS, but for the address use always the >>192.168 address. I plan to pipe all the rsh/ssh traffic on that switch >>too, to save the load on the "public" side of my LTSP server. So >>basically, when I set up the application, instead of calling the app via >>the 10. address, I'll call it via the 192.168 address, and the traffic >>will go on that switch. >> >> > >The switch & IP bit isn't a pro... >itz the how to call Appz on a different server & the whole RSH thing >I don't know how to setup.... >Are there any Docz/HOWTOz you used to get the multi server/RSH >setup going ? > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dbm at us.ibm.com Tue Aug 3 20:47:03 2004 From: dbm at us.ibm.com (Dave Murray) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:47:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dave Murray/Rochester/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 08/03/2004 and will not return until 08/20/2004. I will be out of the office and will not be checking messages. From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 3 22:22:37 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:22:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT need help Message-ID: <200408031722.37323.lsrpm@mts.net> I am new to K12LTSP but am plugging away at setting up a school lab. the off topic part is I have noticed on this list alot of signed pgp messages. What is that? Is there an easy way to use it? At least for my email? Thanks for your help From dloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Aug 4 00:11:58 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:11:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Multimedia on K12LTSP - Mounting vitual CDs Message-ID: <1091578318.2706.19.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Krsnendu, I used the method described in a Linux Magazine article (link below) for creating a CD Jukebox, which includes automounting the images. It has been over a year since I did so and haven't had to touch it since. Therefore, my memory is a bit weak on details. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5639 The CD Jukebox is based on the CD Server Howto on tldp. To permit browsing with automount, you have to create a separate directory with symlinks to the actual iso images, but otherwise it is quite straightforward. The CD Server works well for us, but then we are mostly accessing the cdrom images from a Sunday School lab in our church using WinXP clients. I have accessed them from our LTSP thin clients, but had to resort to using Wine. We have not tried to access Shockwave programs on CDROM. For Shockwave content you will definitely need Crossover Plugin. We have a small LTSP lab so I only had to buy 7 licenses. If you are looking to outfit a large lab, Crossover Plugin could get pricey. If you wish to learn more about our setup, I can provide details offline. Dan ---------- Dr. Daniel Loomis First Presbyterian Church El Dorado, AR dloomis at fpceldorado.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 3 18:04:30 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:04:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question Message-ID: <410FD3AE.2080605@inlandlakes.org> Ok... I just can't stand yum, sorry -- it locks up, is slow, etc. Plus, I'm a debian user from way back, so apt-get just feels right. I had to force --nodeps and install an .rpm (the icewmcontrol panel -- great package BTW). It says it needs pygtk => 1.9.9, but doesn't think my pygtk2 is > 1.9.9 or something. ANYWAY, how can I get apt-get to stop telling me I need to run apt-get -f install to fix the problem? (It's solution if I do run that is to remove the offending rpm -- but I want it, and it works great...) Anyone have a clue? Is there an undocumented --nodeps --don't_look_back flag. :) -Shawn From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Aug 4 00:20:03 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:20:03 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) Message-ID: Shawn Powers wrote: >> I'm actually going to use rsh -- because programs are called from a private subnet on a separate gig switch (all the servers use that 2nd NIC for mounting /home or whatever servers need to talk to each other about) << Putting my security professional's hat on, I would *strongly* recommend that you use ssh rather than rsh. There are too many other things that will consult /etc/hosts.equiv and ~/.rhosts files, and too many problems with the r-commands themselves. It should be standard practice to use strong protocols everywhere - especially when, as with ssh, there is no downside to doing so - and one should never have to ask oneself, "Now, is it OK to use rsh here, or should I consider something stronger?". Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 4 01:51:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:51:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question In-Reply-To: <410FD3AE.2080605@inlandlakes.org> References: <410FD3AE.2080605@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41104114.1000004@paasda.org> Shawn, I'm in the 'yum-hater' club also...well hater might be a bit harsh...but I dislike it's slow-cludginess... my fix for this is a cron that does the yum updates for me when I am not at work or I run it when I leave at night so I don't have to see if cludge'n about....then I come back in the morning and most of the time everything is okay... although there have been those lock ups and some funkiness with Tux-stamps once =) If you get an off-list response for the apt-solution please forward me! --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > Ok... I just can't stand yum, sorry -- it locks up, is slow, etc. > Plus, I'm a debian user from way back, so apt-get just feels right. > > I had to force --nodeps and install an .rpm (the icewmcontrol panel -- > great package BTW). It says it needs pygtk => 1.9.9, but doesn't > think my pygtk2 is > 1.9.9 or something. ANYWAY, how can I get > apt-get to stop telling me I need to run apt-get -f install to fix the > problem? (It's solution if I do run that is to remove the offending > rpm -- but I want it, and it works great...) > > Anyone have a clue? Is there an undocumented --nodeps > --don't_look_back flag. :) > > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From aaa at pacifier.com Wed Aug 4 03:59:22 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:59:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1.0 trouble with pxe boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41105F1A.1030405@pacifier.com> looks like a decision point in dhcpd.conf if substring (option vendor-class-identifier,0,9) = PXEClient filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" else filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" I don't see a /lts directory on this machine! Duane jam at mcquil.com wrote: >Duane, > >What do you have for the 'filename' entry in your dhcpd.conf file ? > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Duane Wilson wrote: > > > >>Upgraded my server from 4.0.1 to 4.1.0 beta. >> >>Trying to boot my panasonic toughbook W2 with the PXE method. >> >>Get an IP address and gateway. >> >>Next line says >>TFTP >>PXE-T01:File not found >>PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not found >>PXE-M0F: Exiting PXE ROM >> >>What file do I need to put where so I can proceed? >> >>Thanks, >>Duane Wilson >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Aug 4 04:11:43 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:11:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question Message-ID: I am no expert, but can you login as Administrator or as root on this XP machine? -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:55 PM To: K12ltsp Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question I've followed D. Trask's lovely Samba/LDAP walkthrough... I've gotten to the point where you attach the computer to the domain...(XP PRO)... and the machine attaches... But when I attempt to login to the domain it returns an invalid username or password error message. any ideas? cap-locks off... password correct...case-sense correct..username correct...all those normal user errors resolved... so must be a config/admin error somewhere along the way Eh? =) --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 4 04:46:25 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:46:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1.0 trouble with pxe boot In-Reply-To: <41105F1A.1030405@pacifier.com> References: <41105F1A.1030405@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1091594784.24199.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 22:59, Duane Wilson wrote: > looks like a decision point in dhcpd.conf > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier,0,9) = PXEClient > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" > > else > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" > > > I don't see a /lts directory on this machine! The file requests are offset by the chroot directory specified by the -s argument to tftpd. Look at /etc/xinetd.d/tftp and you should see '-s /tftpboot' which is where you should find the lts subdirectory. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aaa at pacifier.com Wed Aug 4 05:11:01 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:11:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1.0 trouble with pxe boot In-Reply-To: <1091594784.24199.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41105F1A.1030405@pacifier.com> <1091594784.24199.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41106FE5.8040705@pacifier.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 22:59, Duane Wilson wrote: > > >>looks like a decision point in dhcpd.conf >> if substring (option vendor-class-identifier,0,9) = PXEClient >> filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0" >> >> else >> filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" >> >> >>I don't see a /lts directory on this machine! >> >> > >The file requests are offset by the chroot directory specified >by the -s argument to tftpd. Look at /etc/xinetd.d/tftp >and you should see '-s /tftpboot' which is where you >should find the lts subdirectory. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > OK Les, /tftpboot/lts/pxe does not contain pxelinux.0 the only thing that carries the name pxelinux is a directory called pxelinux.cfg. Whats up with that??? Thanks for your help. Duane From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 4 12:31:51 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:31:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1.0 trouble with pxe boot In-Reply-To: <41106FE5.8040705@pacifier.com> References: <41105F1A.1030405@pacifier.com> <1091594784.24199.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41106FE5.8040705@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1091622711.25511.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 00:11, Duane Wilson wrote: > > > OK Les, > /tftpboot/lts/pxe does not contain pxelinux.0 the only thing that > carries the name pxelinux is a directory called pxelinux.cfg. > > Whats up with that??? It sounds like something went wrong in the upgrade, especially if it worked before. I have a test machine where I did an upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1alpha via isos and yum updates after that and the directory and files appear in the right place. However, I'm not really a fan of doing version upgrades. I think it is usually better to have /home on a separate partition and do a re-install without formatting /home, making sure you have a copy of all the files in /etc and anything else you customized in case you need them for reference to duplicate the original setup. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Aug 4 12:39:03 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:39:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - bond multiple NICz in Linux (The Easy Way) Message-ID: <002201c47a20$066d6030$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Shawn and List... I mentioned that i have been workin on my HOWTOz site.... well i have added the two major HOWTOz that this list has pushed me to re-write to my new HOWTOz site... go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ it is a different URL to get the the bonding HOWTO as well... so have a quick look & let me know what you think... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Aug 4 12:41:34 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:41:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server Message-ID: <002b01c47a20$6002e0c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Shawn and List... I mentioned that i have been workin on my HOWTOz site.... well i have added the two major HOWTOz that this list has pushed me to re-write to my new HOWTOz site... go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ it is a different URL to get the the bonding HOWTO as well... so have a quick look & let me know what you think... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 4 12:59:45 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:59:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> Les Bell wrote: > Putting my security professional's hat on, I would *strongly* recommend > >that you use ssh rather than rsh. There are too many other things that will > > Fair enough Les, but do you (or anyone else) know some sort of "hands free" way to script authorized_keys2 into everyone's .ssh directory? My reasoning for rsh was none other than I didn't want to create a public key for each user. Is my thinking backwards? If there is a way I can get SSH do work as painlessly as rsh will (in theory, I've never used rsh, but it's been around a while) I'm all ears. Anyone? Thanks, -Shawn From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Aug 4 13:16:41 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:16:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) References: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000d01c47a25$48564b10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hey Everyone... > Fair enough Les, but do you (or anyone else) know some sort of "hands > free" way to script authorized_keys2 into everyone's .ssh directory? My > reasoning for rsh was none other than I didn't want to create a public > key for each user. Is my thinking backwards? If there is a way I can > get SSH do work as painlessly as rsh will (in theory, I've never used > rsh, but it's been around a while) I'm all ears. Yes... There is a very easy way that is by default built into K12LTSP... That will be step 2 in the Part II of my App Server HOWTO.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 4 13:16:29 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:16:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: <000d01c47a25$48564b10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> <000d01c47a25$48564b10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4110E1AD.10804@inlandlakes.org> >That will be step 2 in the Part II of my App Server HOWTO.... > > ...going to pop my popcorn now... :o) From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 4 13:40:40 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:40:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1091626839.25830.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 19:20, Les Bell wrote: > Putting my security professional's hat on, I would *strongly* recommend > that you use ssh rather than rsh. There are too many other things that will > consult /etc/hosts.equiv and ~/.rhosts files, and too many problems with > the r-commands themselves. I haven't given this a lot of thought, but off the top of my head I think in any scenario where I could exploit rsh, I could also steal the ssh keys from an nfs-exported /home directory. Both depend on the source IP for restictions so if you can spoof that you are in. And you might find other things permitted by the ssh keys... ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 4 13:59:54 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:59:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> References: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4110EBDA.7070302@maltzen.net> Gavin's How-to will no doubt cover all this, perhaps in a better way, but here's a quick-n-dirty way. Use this expect script to allow any user to generate the id_dsa.pub file any interaction: #!/usr/bin/expect -f set timeout -1 spawn $env(SHELL) match_max 100000 send -- "ssh-keygen -t dsa\r" expect -exact ".ssh/id_dsa): " send -- "\r" expect -exact "for no passphrase): " send -- "\r" expect -exact "Enter same passphrase again: " send -- "\r" expect -exact "]$" ------------------------------------------------------ Note that the last line is telling expect to wait for the prompt before exiting the script. Put this in a file called, say, /tmp/sshkeygen.exp, change its permissions to 755 (rwxr-xr-x) and then, as root, loop through all your user IDs, running su and calling sshkeygen.exp; for example: for x in user1 user2 user3 user4 do echo $x su - $x -c /tmp/sshkeygen.exp done Now all your users will have ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub files. Copy each user's file to his/her respective ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file. To do this it would probably be easiest to NFS export the /home directory on the app server, and mount it on the ltsp server, and then write a script that does something like cp /home/${user}/.ssh/id_dsa.pub /appsrvmountpoint/${user}/.ssh/authorized_keys2 (be sure to get the permissions right on the authorized_keys2 file). Then you should be good to go. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Les Bell wrote: > >> Putting my security professional's hat on, I would *strongly* recommend >> >> that you use ssh rather than rsh. There are too many other things >> that will >> >> > Fair enough Les, but do you (or anyone else) know some sort of "hands > free" way to script authorized_keys2 into everyone's .ssh directory? > My reasoning for rsh was none other than I didn't want to create a > public key for each user. Is my thinking backwards? If there is a > way I can get SSH do work as painlessly as rsh will (in theory, I've > never used rsh, but it's been around a while) I'm all ears. > > Anyone? > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 14:25:14 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server In-Reply-To: <002b01c47a20$6002e0c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <20040804142514.34603.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Its a good start. I cant wait for part two. Chris --- Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi Shawn and List... > > I mentioned that i have been workin on my HOWTOz > site.... > well i have added the two major HOWTOz that this > list has > pushed me to re-write to my new HOWTOz site... > go have a quick look @ > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ > it is a different URL to get the the bonding HOWTO > as well... > so have a quick look & let me know what you think... > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541> _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 4 15:09:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:09:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: <4110EBDA.7070302@maltzen.net> References: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> <4110EBDA.7070302@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1091632193.26410.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 08:59, Petre Scheie wrote: > Now all your users will have ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub files. Copy each user's > file to his/her respective ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file. To do this it > would probably be easiest to NFS export the /home directory on the app > server, and mount it on the ltsp server, and then write a script that > does something like > > cp /home/${user}/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > /appsrvmountpoint/${user}/.ssh/authorized_keys2 You'll probably need to either NFS mount the same /home on all the k12ltsp/app servers involved or set up the automounter to mount individual homes on demand, so the same .ssh subdir is going to appear automatically. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 4 16:41:32 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:41:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411111BC.5070704@paasda.org> Can not log in as Administrator or root...... but Administrator was used to attach to the domain successfully... --Huck Glenn Arnold wrote: >I am no expert, but can you login as Administrator or as root on this XP >machine? > >-Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] >Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:55 PM >To: K12ltsp >Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question > >I've followed D. Trask's lovely Samba/LDAP walkthrough... > >I've gotten to the point where you attach the computer to the >domain...(XP PRO)... >and the machine attaches... >But when I attempt to login to the domain it returns an invalid username > >or password error message. > >any ideas? cap-locks off... password correct...case-sense >correct..username correct...all those normal user errors resolved... >so must be a config/admin error somewhere along the way Eh? =) > >--Huck > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From JacobsD at fsd38.ab.ca Wed Aug 4 16:46:18 2004 From: JacobsD at fsd38.ab.ca (Daniel Jacobs) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:46:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bandwidth requirements Message-ID: Hi everyone, We are in the process of running a pilot of LTSP in one of our schools. We are running it in a novell netware environment, that uses pam authentication etc... Once this is succesfull we will be "clustering" 6 of these boxes at our head end to serve all the schools in our division. My question is , What are the bandwidth requirements for each terminal? How much bandwidth does it draw to make it usable? The reason for this question is that we must make provision at out head end to handle the bandwidth requests for X-number of clients aswell as the other network traffic. Thanks Daniel Jacobs CNE Systems Analyst Foothills School Division #38 Tel: (403)652-6539 From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Aug 4 16:54:15 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:54:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question Message-ID: Are you using Idealx's LDAP tools? What are you using to create user accounts? When I used Idealx's instructions for LDAP and Samba you have to set password for the administrator account before you can use it, because it is disable by default. Can you list root or administrator with pbdedit -Lv root or administrator and does it list the account information? -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:42 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question Can not log in as Administrator or root...... but Administrator was used to attach to the domain successfully... --Huck Glenn Arnold wrote: >I am no expert, but can you login as Administrator or as root on this XP >machine? > >-Glenn > >-----Original Message----- >From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] >Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:55 PM >To: K12ltsp >Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap question > >I've followed D. Trask's lovely Samba/LDAP walkthrough... > >I've gotten to the point where you attach the computer to the >domain...(XP PRO)... >and the machine attaches... >But when I attempt to login to the domain it returns an invalid username > >or password error message. > >any ideas? cap-locks off... password correct...case-sense >correct..username correct...all those normal user errors resolved... >so must be a config/admin error somewhere along the way Eh? =) > >--Huck > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From smoogen at lanl.gov Wed Aug 4 17:00:48 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen J Smoogen) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 11:00:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question In-Reply-To: <410FD3AE.2080605@inlandlakes.org> References: <410FD3AE.2080605@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41111640.8040403@lanl.gov> Shawn Powers wrote: > Ok... I just can't stand yum, sorry -- it locks up, is slow, etc. Plus, > I'm a debian user from way back, so apt-get just feels right. > I have had the reverse problems.. apt-get for RPM locking up and seeming slow. I think I probably did something wrong because I am more of a up2date person. The silly question is to see how up2date works with all of these since it 'talks' all 3 repositories. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 4 13:04:55 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:04:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Bandwidth requirements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4110DEF7.8020707@cfl.rr.com> However you may want the reduced operational expense of maintaining a clustered LTSP server, I think you'll find that when you run your total numbers together with WAN costs to your service provider, you'll find that this will far outweigh the operational costs of running separate LTSP servers at each site. Bottom line is, keep X traffic off the WAN links, but that shouldn't stop you from authenticating from one central authentication server. Daniel Jacobs wrote: >Hi everyone, > >We are in the process of running a pilot of LTSP in one of our schools. >We are running it in a novell netware environment, that uses pam >authentication etc... >Once this is succesfull we will be "clustering" 6 of these boxes at our >head end to serve all the schools in our division. My question is , What >are the bandwidth requirements for each terminal? >How much bandwidth does it draw to make it usable? >The reason for this question is that we must make provision at out head >end to handle the bandwidth requests for X-number of clients aswell as >the other network traffic. > >Thanks > > >Daniel Jacobs CNE >Systems Analyst >Foothills School Division #38 >Tel: (403)652-6539 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Wed Aug 4 17:46:03 2004 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (Antonello) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:46:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] I've done a mess Message-ID: <1091641534.3018.12.camel@server.ltsp> Well, I've been playing a bit with my k12ltsp (FC1), and I surely made some disaster. When I choose from kde menu the add/remove-apps option (running as root) the program does not sart at all. I tried in a console and redhat-config-packages returns this message: (process:3382): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/redhat-config-packages/MainWindow.py", line 130, in ? locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL,"") File "/usr/lib/python2.2/locale.py", line 381, in setlocale return _setlocale(category, locale) locale.Error: locale setting not supported that's definitely too much for a newbie like me. Could you give me a hint, please? tia Antonello From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 4 18:39:24 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:39:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I've done a mess In-Reply-To: <1091641534.3018.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1091641534.3018.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <9B87165A-E645-11D8-810F-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On setup you picked a locale for language support and such, what is it? That is your problem it would appear. On Aug 4, 2004, at 12:46 PM, Antonello wrote: > Well, I've been playing a bit with my k12ltsp (FC1), and I surely made > some disaster. > When I choose from kde menu the add/remove-apps option (running as > root) > the program does not sart at all. > I tried in a console and redhat-config-packages returns this message: > > (process:3382): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. > Using the fallback 'C' locale. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/redhat-config-packages/MainWindow.py", line 130, in > ? > locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL,"") > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/locale.py", line 381, in setlocale > return _setlocale(category, locale) > locale.Error: locale setting not supported > > that's definitely too much for a newbie like me. > Could you give me a hint, please? > > tia > Antonello > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkERLVwACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQ/YwCbBjaIPQmzggOsJMhwcXE6f2To /BYAnA/zvDzDPj9qZYhWwY6Lrx39eBiB =zwev -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 4 19:34:07 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:34:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access restrictions Message-ID: <41113A2F.2080605@elp.rr.com> We have a Linux typing lab in our school. The layout is something we got stuck with becaue of the way the school was built. The problem the teacher has is that she can't see all screens at once because the terminals are placed around the walls of the room. Because of the grade book and such the teacher needs access to the Internet constantly. Is there a way or does someone have a routine that would require the user to enter a password in order for Eth0 to allow an Internet connection? I know that there is a way to set up users when the password files are created but I don't know how to do that nor get a chance to participate in that process so the users are not restricted there. How would I go about altering the user access files after the fact to restrict the students access to the Internet? Can this be done so that the teacher could enter a password to give one time access as needed? Thanks Pat From ferndoc at fastmail.fm Wed Aug 4 19:39:19 2004 From: ferndoc at fastmail.fm (Fernando) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:39:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question In-Reply-To: <41111640.8040403@lanl.gov> References: <410FD3AE.2080605@inlandlakes.org> <41111640.8040403@lanl.gov> Message-ID: <1091648359.808.201705605@webmail.messagingengine.com> Here's my 2 cents (if it's worth even that much since I'm a Linux Newbie); anyway, I've had much better experience with apt-get myself and have experienced lockups with yum also. I like the Synaptic front end as well (Typical of a newbie). Learning a lot from all these emails, please keep it up. Thanks On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 11:00:48 -0600, "Stephen J Smoogen" said: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > Ok... I just can't stand yum, sorry -- it locks up, is slow, etc. Plus, > > I'm a debian user from way back, so apt-get just feels right. > > > > I have had the reverse problems.. apt-get for RPM locking up and seeming > slow. I think I probably did something wrong because I am more of a > up2date person. The silly question is to see how up2date works with all > of these since it 'talks' all 3 repositories. > > -- > Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov > Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 > Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Fernando ferndoc at fastmail.fm From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Aug 4 19:38:07 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:38:07 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade advice? Message-ID: <20040804.SD1.38287100@192.168.10.16> Next week I will be updating two k12ltsp servers, both are 3.1.2-1, I will be updating to the latest 4.0.1 k12ltsp. Both servers are also web and email servers, they are both small schools but the students/teachers actively use them. My plan is to backup /home, some files in /etc, perhaps the sendmail.cf, and /var/www then will attempt to do the upgrade. Would it be advisable to just start fresh? Or will the upgrade work? Has anyone done this lately? If you did the upgrade, what would you do differently? Any advice is most welcome. Thanks, Ron From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Aug 4 19:57:16 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:57:16 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access restrictions Message-ID: <20040804.1TV.41335900@192.168.10.16> Hi, Don't know if this is the solution you are looking for but, squid/dansguardian on the firewall can be setup to require authentication prior to accessing the internet. Dansguardian is also a content filter that will block the students from accessing material they shouldn't. Hope this helps. Ron John P. Conlon (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) wrote: > > We have a Linux typing lab in our school. The layout is something we > got stuck with becaue of the way the school was built. The problem the > teacher has is that she can't see all screens at once because the > terminals are placed around the walls of the room. Because of the grade > book and such the teacher needs access to the Internet constantly. > > Is there a way or does someone have a routine that would require the > user to enter a password in order for Eth0 to allow an Internet connection? > > I know that there is a way to set up users when the password files are > created but I don't know how to do that nor get a chance to participate > in that process so the users are not restricted there. How would I go > about altering the user access files after the fact to restrict the > students access to the Internet? Can this be done so that the teacher > could enter a password to give one time access as needed? > > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 4 16:11:17 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:11:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access restrictions In-Reply-To: <41113A2F.2080605@elp.rr.com> References: <41113A2F.2080605@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <41110AA5.7030201@cfl.rr.com> What you need is "Squid Proxy Server". My reading tells me it has extensive access controls and is granular to the user level, you could only allow the teacher and his assistant Internet access and deny all others by username, so they could go to any machine and have same rights. This is an elegant solution and fits the requirement exactly. As to how to set it up, it's on my to-do list, but it can't be that tough. Bonus is it's open source and free. Regards, BC John P. Conlon wrote: > We have a Linux typing lab in our school. The layout is something we > got stuck with becaue of the way the school was built. The problem > the teacher has is that she can't see all screens at once because the > terminals are placed around the walls of the room. Because of the > grade book and such the teacher needs access to the Internet constantly. > > Is there a way or does someone have a routine that would require the > user to enter a password in order for Eth0 to allow an Internet > connection? > > I know that there is a way to set up users when the password files are > created but I don't know how to do that nor get a chance to > participate in that process so the users are not restricted there. > How would I go about altering the user access files after the fact to > restrict the students access to the Internet? Can this be done so > that the teacher could enter a password to give one time access as > needed? > > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Aug 4 20:36:19 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:36:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] printing and scanning Message-ID: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I have one printer currently attached to my k12 server, and it works fine; anyone can print from any workstation. I would like to attach a printer (hp deskjet 930) and a scanner (canon canoscan lide 30). How is this done? When I boot this selected workstation, should it detect the printer and scanner in some way, so when I use the wizard to set up, the hardware has been noticed? Thanks all! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Aug 4 21:25:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:25:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New-revised Samba-LDAP how-to Message-ID: After spending the day working on setting up my own Samba-LDAP server....I found some glaring errors (read stupid) in my document...so I fixed them. If you've had difficulties with setting up a Samba-LDAP server this may be why. I've posted the revised edition in both web and PDF format at http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.html http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.pdf Let me know of anything I missed. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 4 21:32:56 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:32:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] printing and scanning In-Reply-To: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Why not attach these to the server as well?? On Aug 4, 2004, at 3:36 PM, Will Hatch wrote: > I have one printer currently attached to my k12 server, and it works > fine; anyone can print from any workstation. I would like to attach a > printer (hp deskjet 930) and a scanner (canon canoscan lide 30). How > is this done? When I boot this selected workstation, should it detect > the printer and scanner in some way, so when I use the wizard to set > up, the hardware has been noticed? Thanks all! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Aug 4 22:17:58 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:17:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Challenge...help? Samba-LDAP password changing Message-ID: Ok folks, I can figure a lot of things out, but I have to admit my GUI scripting skills are slim to none. So...I'm posing a challenge to anyone who feels up to it. What I need to do is allow my kids a way to change their password in Samba/LDAP using their linux terminals. Granted I could teach them to do it in the terminal, but I'd rather not...especially for the little ones. The command is easy...it is smbldap-passwd username (username is the one you want to change the password for...ex: smbldap-passwd dtrask) then you are prompted to enter a new password twice What I'd like to see...is a GUI interface where a kid can click on an icon....a dialog pops up asking for their current usename and password and then prompts them for a new password. I can teach them how to use smbldap-passwd, but there's nothing to stop them from changing someone else's password. Usermin will not work with LDAP (at least for me it won't) I'm open to ideas and alternatives if anyone has any. Ironically the password is easy to change using Windows....CTRL-ALT-DEL and select "Change Password", but in Linux it's much more challenging...and I need to address that. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Aug 4 22:17:50 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:17:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Challenge...help? Samba-LDAP password changing Message-ID: <20040804221750.OGDO26088.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I could whip this out for you very quickly if you don't mind it being written in java. Also, i don't have an ldap-samba server to test it against, but if the command is that simple, shouldn't be a problem. Luis > > From: "David Trask" > Date: 2004/08/04 Wed PM 06:17:58 EDT > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Challenge...help? Samba-LDAP password changing > > Ok folks, > > I can figure a lot of things out, but I have to admit my GUI scripting > skills are slim to none. So...I'm posing a challenge to anyone who feels > up to it. What I need to do is allow my kids a way to change their > password in Samba/LDAP using their linux terminals. Granted I could teach > them to do it in the terminal, but I'd rather not...especially for the > little ones. The command is easy...it is > > smbldap-passwd username (username is the one you want to change the > password for...ex: smbldap-passwd dtrask) > > then you are prompted to enter a new password twice > > What I'd like to see...is a GUI interface where a kid can click on an > icon....a dialog pops up asking for their current usename and password and > then prompts them for a new password. I can teach them how to use > smbldap-passwd, but there's nothing to stop them from changing someone > else's password. Usermin will not work with LDAP (at least for me it > won't) I'm open to ideas and alternatives if anyone has any. Ironically > the password is easy to change using Windows....CTRL-ALT-DEL and select > "Change Password", but in Linux it's much more challenging...and I need to > address that. :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 4 22:25:30 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:25:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Challenge...help? Samba-LDAP password changing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4111625A.3060001@paasda.org> is there a default variable like %username so you can create a launcher... that runs the command smbldap-passwd %username or something like that?? --Huck David Trask wrote: >Ok folks, > >I can figure a lot of things out, but I have to admit my GUI scripting >skills are slim to none. So...I'm posing a challenge to anyone who feels >up to it. What I need to do is allow my kids a way to change their >password in Samba/LDAP using their linux terminals. Granted I could teach >them to do it in the terminal, but I'd rather not...especially for the >little ones. The command is easy...it is > >smbldap-passwd username (username is the one you want to change the >password for...ex: smbldap-passwd dtrask) > >then you are prompted to enter a new password twice > >What I'd like to see...is a GUI interface where a kid can click on an >icon....a dialog pops up asking for their current usename and password and >then prompts them for a new password. I can teach them how to use >smbldap-passwd, but there's nothing to stop them from changing someone >else's password. Usermin will not work with LDAP (at least for me it >won't) I'm open to ideas and alternatives if anyone has any. Ironically >the password is easy to change using Windows....CTRL-ALT-DEL and select >"Change Password", but in Linux it's much more challenging...and I need to >address that. :-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Aug 4 22:31:36 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:31:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] shutting down a client Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040804152943.01b55d10@pop.easystreet.com> What's the proper procedure for shutting off a thin client? I've been doing logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login screen. I'm obviously still connected to the computer, so what would happen if I didn't log off first? Thanks, ck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Aug 4 22:44:48 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:44:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Challenge...help=3F?= Samba-LDAP password=?ISO-8859-1?Q? changing?= In-Reply-To: <20040804221750.OGDO26088.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20040804221750.OGDO26088.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: I'll test anything anyone throws my way :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Aug 4 22:44:48 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:44:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Challenge...help=3F?= Samba-LDAP password=?ISO-8859-1?Q? changing?= In-Reply-To: <20040804221750.OGDO26088.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20040804221750.OGDO26088.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: I'll test anything anyone throws my way :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Aug 4 22:45:32 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:45:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Challenge...help=3F?= Samba-LDAP password=?ISO-8859-1?Q? changing?= In-Reply-To: <4111625A.3060001@paasda.org> References: <4111625A.3060001@paasda.org> Message-ID: I to was wondering that.....answer? Anyone? "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >is there a default variable like %username > >so you can create a launcher... that runs the command smbldap-passwd >%username > >or something like that?? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 4 22:47:07 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:47:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] shutting down a client In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040804152943.01b55d10@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040804152943.01b55d10@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <4111676B.3050602@paasda.org> I'm non-client friendly...I hit the power button and leave =) always log'n off first though as there are some funky ltsp files I've noticed that CAN get mangled.. --Huck Carl Keil wrote: > What's the proper procedure for shutting off a thin client? > I've been doing logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login > screen. > I'm obviously still connected to the computer, so what would happen if > I didn't log off first? > > Thanks, > > ck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Aug 4 22:58:37 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:58:37 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) Message-ID: Shawn Powers wrote: >> Fair enough Les, but do you (or anyone else) know some sort of "hands free" way to script authorized_keys2 into everyone's .ssh directory? << That depends on the particular setup you have. One way I've seen it done is to tar the authorized_keys file up and then untar it in the post-install processing of a kickstart.cfg file. On a single machine, put .ssh/authorized_keys into /etc/skel so it's dropped into place as part of useradd -m. To place it on multiple machines, you could use a script which might require you to use one password (as root) per machine, but then scp the right stuff into the right places. >> My reasoning for rsh was none other than I didn't want to create a public key for each user. << Agreed, that is a slight PITA, but again, it's automatable with a little scripting, and Webmin can be configured to do it as users are added. There are so many tricks one can do with SSH, I'd be surprised if there isn't an equally-easy way to do what you need, with better security. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Aug 4 23:10:04 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:10:04 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) Message-ID: Les Mikesell wrote: >> I haven't given this a lot of thought, but off the top of my head I think in any scenario where I could exploit rsh, I could also steal the ssh keys from an nfs-exported /home directory. << That's likely true - nfs is about as easy to exploit as rsh, especially with its use of UDP. However, you'd still have to crack the passwords on the ssh keys. And as nfs tightens up (e.g. 2.6 kernel introduces NFS V4, which can use TCP) that would leave rsh as the weak link. I'm just advocating a general principle here: use best practices as standard operating procedure, rather than using weaker protocols as standard and unwittingly leaving systems vulnerable. I don't think Shawn should make life impossibly difficult for himself, but I wouldn't use rsh until I'd exhausted the other possibilities. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From smoogen at lanl.gov Wed Aug 4 23:34:19 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen J Smoogen) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:34:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4111727B.6010200@lanl.gov> Les Bell wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > > I haven't given this a lot of thought, but off the top of my head > I think in any scenario where I could exploit rsh, I could > also steal the ssh keys from an nfs-exported /home directory. > << > > That's likely true - nfs is about as easy to exploit as rsh, especially > with its use of UDP. However, you'd still have to crack the passwords on > the ssh keys. And as nfs tightens up (e.g. 2.6 kernel introduces NFS V4, > which can use TCP) that would leave rsh as the weak link. > Actually NFSv3 can use TCP and has been available in the 2.2/2.4 kernels. Now the TCP server side aspects I think have only been in the late 2.4 kernels but I could be wrong. > I'm just advocating a general principle here: use best practices as > standard operating procedure, rather than using weaker protocols as > standard and unwittingly leaving systems vulnerable. I don't think Shawn > should make life impossibly difficult for himself, but I wouldn't use rsh > until I'd exhausted the other possibilities. > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Aug 5 00:10:57 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:10:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dup2 : Bad file descriptor Message-ID: Well, I had a scare today! I restarted my RHEL 3.0 box and when it started to boot it displayed the following error: dup2 : Bad file descriptor Then server was at a rescue prompt. Prompting me to enter root password to fix file system. I restarted the server and boot off the RHEL 3.0 cd1 and entered rescue mode. I ran fsck on / partition and everthing was clean. I searched google on dup2: Bad file descriptor and found the answer. rm -f /dev/null mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3 I could not get the mknod command to work like I found on google, so I did this mknod /dev/null c 1 3 chmod 0666 /dev/null chown root:root /dev/null Restarted server. Server is up and working fine. What I like to know is why this happened? What is /dev/null? Has anyone else had this experience? Thanks -Glenn From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Aug 5 01:00:05 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:30:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] printing and scanning In-Reply-To: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1091667605.3059.4.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 02:06, Will Hatch wrote: > I have one printer currently attached to my k12 server, and it works fine; anyone can print from any workstation. I would like to attach a printer (hp deskjet 930) and a scanner (canon canoscan lide 30). How is this done? When I boot this selected workstation, should it detect the printer and scanner in some way, so when I use the wizard to set up, the hardware has been noticed? Thanks all! Three steps needed to attach a working printer to a workstation accessible by all: 1. Fix the IP assignment for the work station in dhcpd.conf 2. Configurations in lts.conf 3. Setup printer on server as jetdirect printer on WS-IP:9100 Make sure to restart the service dhcpd and print system (cups of lpd). Detailed instruction already on ltsp site. If this can be done the fly...I doubt. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Aug 5 01:05:41 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:35:41 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Bandwidth requirements In-Reply-To: <4110DEF7.8020707@cfl.rr.com> References: <4110DEF7.8020707@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1091667941.3059.9.camel@roop.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 18:34, Brian Chase wrote: > However you may want the reduced operational expense of maintaining a > clustered LTSP server, I think you'll find that when you run your total > numbers together with WAN costs to your service provider, you'll find > that this will far outweigh the operational costs of running separate > LTSP servers at each site. Also clustered server may not be stable enough yet. I have not had success in running clustered servers with OpenOffice for instance. The process die when shifted from one node to another. Secondly it is far easier to do remote admin of many servers through ssh with one / few admins in a central location. Just for information though I typically see less than 1 mbps traffic per workstation ON AVERAGE. Peak needs?? Would welcome inputs from others on what they observe. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 5 01:38:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:38:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Challenge...help? Samba-LDAP password changing In-Reply-To: <4111625A.3060001@paasda.org> References: <4111625A.3060001@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1091669888.26894.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 17:25, Huck wrote: > is there a default variable like %username > > so you can create a launcher... that runs the command smbldap-passwd > %username > > or something like that?? Type: env to see the normal variables that are pre-set. If a shell is parsing the command $USER should expand to the right thing. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 03:17:32 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:17:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade advice? In-Reply-To: <20040804.SD1.38287100@192.168.10.16> References: <20040804.SD1.38287100@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <932609800408042017781c8857@mail.gmail.com> I tried doing an upgrade recently, but ended up doing a full reinstall. I'd backup all of /etc and /var/www (and /var/lib/mysql, if applicable). If /home isn't already a separate partiion, I'd recommend making it one when you do the reinstall. If you're running a mail server, you want to make sure that you have sendmail and/or your network connection disabled until you're "sure" that you have mail configured (aliases, any virtual hosts, etc). Then turn on networking. Then turn on sendmail. Then 'tail -f /var/log/maillog' and be ready to stop sendmail again when you realized you've screwed up. At least, that's what I always do. On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:38:07 +0000, Ron Freidel wrote: > Next week I will be updating two k12ltsp servers, both are 3.1.2-1, I will be > updating to the latest 4.0.1 k12ltsp. > > Both servers are also web and email servers, they are both small schools but > the students/teachers actively use them. > > My plan is to backup /home, some files in /etc, perhaps the sendmail.cf, and > /var/www then will attempt to do the upgrade. > > Would it be advisable to just start fresh? Or will the upgrade work? > > Has anyone done this lately? If you did the upgrade, what would you do > differently? > > Any advice is most welcome. > > Thanks, > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman pfaffman at utk.edu Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.coe.utk.edu/~pfaffman/ +1-865-974-0497 (W) +1-865-898-0497 (M) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 5 04:00:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New (final?) K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta Message-ID: First off, happy 5th birthday to the LTSP project! LTSP 4.1 was officially released today. That means we're just about ready to go with K12LTSP 4.1. I've uploaded shiny new ISO images and have updated the apt/up2date/yum repositories with packages built from the official LTSP 4.1 release. Give these puppies a spin & let us know ASAP how it goes. Please report any and all bugs! I'll start my testing process as well. If all goes well, we'll do an official K12LTSP 4.1.0 release this weekend. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 5 04:27:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New (final?) K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: >Give these puppies a spin & let us know ASAP how it goes. Please report >any and all bugs! I already found three minor bugs. These are very minor... 1) I forgot to change the default bookmarks in Mozilla. There is a security update in testing, I'll patch that version tomorrow. 2) I had a small package conflict that only caused a problem when updating via apt/up2date/yum. I've fixed that and rebuilt the repositories. 3) The LTSP package database did not get built properly. This causes ltspadmin to show missing & outdated packages that are indeed installed and current. I'll fix this one tomorrow as well. -Eric From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Thu Aug 5 23:33:12 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:33:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card Message-ID: <000501c47b44$93b10120$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I have an Athlon 2500xp inside a regular tower case on MSI KT6 Delta motherboard. Can I use this without a graphics card? I would rather use it only as a server not as a terminal as well. I had the experience the other day that I was using the server machine directly as a terminal and openoffice froze the machine and I had to reboot. Naturally all the terminals went down. I am sure if I ran the program from another terminal machine I could have restarted that machine and the other machines connected to the server would have kept running. 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URL: From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Aug 5 04:38:22 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 05 Aug 2004 10:08:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card In-Reply-To: <000501c47b44$93b10120$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <000501c47b44$93b10120$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <1091680701.4590.7.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Krsnendu, as i know it has got the graphics card on board, secondly you need to start your server in run level 5 or make ensure that XDMCP is running. graphics(card) is required but whether you will use it on your system or not that is upto you only. hope this will help. regards, bimal On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 05:03, Krsnendu wrote: > I have an Athlon 2500xp inside a regular tower case on MSI KT6 Delta > motherboard. Can I use this without a graphics card? > > > > I would rather use it only as a server not as a terminal as well. I > had the experience the other day that I was using the server machine > directly as a terminal and openoffice froze the machine and I had to > reboot. Naturally all the terminals went down. I am sure if I ran the > program from another terminal machine I could have restarted that > machine and the other machines connected to the server would have kept > running. > > > > If I am not using the machine as a terminal do I need a graphics card. > Are there any tricks for getting it to start without it. > > > > I have been using an old pci graphics until now just to get it going. > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From james at mineralschool.net Wed Aug 4 21:56:07 2004 From: james at mineralschool.net (James Mayfield) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:56:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New (final?) K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41115B77.7000301@mineralschool.net> That reminds me.. i setup a server a while back, earlyish FC2 based beta. Kinda forgot about it, as its been working fine.. Will i be able to update to the 4.1.0 final without issue? Eric Harrison wrote: >On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >>Give these puppies a spin & let us know ASAP how it goes. Please report >>any and all bugs! >> >> > >I already found three minor bugs. These are very minor... > >1) I forgot to change the default bookmarks in Mozilla. There is a > security update in testing, I'll patch that version tomorrow. > >2) I had a small package conflict that only caused a problem when > updating via apt/up2date/yum. I've fixed that and rebuilt the > repositories. > >3) The LTSP package database did not get built properly. This causes > ltspadmin to show missing & outdated packages that are indeed > installed and current. I'll fix this one tomorrow as well. > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Aug 5 05:21:17 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 05 Aug 2004 10:51:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] printing and scanning In-Reply-To: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1091683277.4590.38.camel@server.ltsp> dear Will, you need to do the following incase you want to attach a printer with one of the Workstation as 1) you must have assigned a name and an IP address to the workstation. 2) use some utility to configure the attached printer, like :- printconf-tui,printconf-gui,printtool and select jetdirect,mention the IP of workstation(name may also do),port- 9100 3) make changes in lts.conf here is my configuration for a workstation ws011 which has fixed IP 192.168.0.11 and has a printer Samsung ML1210 attached to it through Parallel port. Note :- make changes as it is Parallely or serially attached or is a USB printer. [ws011] # NODE :- Bimal Pandit X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 PRINTER_0_SPEED = 9600 PRINTER_0_FLOWCTRL = S PRINTER_0_PARITY = N PRINTER_0_DATABITS = 8 hope this will help regards, bimal On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 02:06, Will Hatch wrote: > I have one printer currently attached to my k12 server, and it works fine; anyone can print from any workstation. I would like to attach a printer (hp deskjet 930) and a scanner (canon canoscan lide 30). How is this done? When I boot this selected workstation, should it detect the printer and scanner in some way, so when I use the wizard to set up, the hardware has been noticed? Thanks all! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Aug 5 05:24:11 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 05 Aug 2004 10:54:11 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] printing and scanning In-Reply-To: References: <20040804203619.TRYC28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1091683451.4590.41.camel@server.ltsp> dear Burke why not to attach it to the workstations and share them among all? regards, bimal On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 03:02, Burke Almquist wrote: > Why not attach these to the server as well?? > > On Aug 4, 2004, at 3:36 PM, Will Hatch wrote: > > > I have one printer currently attached to my k12 server, and it works > > fine; anyone can print from any workstation. I would like to attach a > > printer (hp deskjet 930) and a scanner (canon canoscan lide 30). How > > is this done? When I boot this selected workstation, should it detect > > the printer and scanner in some way, so when I use the wizard to set > > up, the hardware has been noticed? Thanks all! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Aug 5 06:11:00 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 05 Aug 2004 11:41:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] shutting down a client In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040804152943.01b55d10@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040804152943.01b55d10@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1091686259.4590.49.camel@server.ltsp> dear Carl its ok to do "logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login screen" as this is the right procedure. further to your query if you dont log out and switch off the system then the process wont get closed and remain live on the server and hence in case if you try to relogin then programmes like evolution/openoffice wont get opened pressing you to kill those on server first else nothing will come up. hope this will help. regards, bimal On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 04:01, Carl Keil wrote: > What's the proper procedure for shutting off a thin client? > I've been doing logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login screen. > I'm obviously still connected to the computer, so what would happen if I > didn't log off first? > > Thanks, > > ck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 5 08:17:15 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:17:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) THX Petre References: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> <4110EBDA.7070302@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <000a01c47ac4$9e294520$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hey Petre Your Script is Exactly what I have been looking for.... Do you Mind if i add it to My HOWTO ? Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 5 08:19:16 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:19:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART II Message-ID: <002001c47ac4$e61d8710$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... I Have done Part II, It is a very Quick part of the HOWTO @ least itz there... go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ Click on the Application Server HOWTO & Part II is @ the Bottom... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu Aug 5 11:00:05 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:00:05 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] HOWTO - bond multiple NICz in Linux (The Easy Way) In-Reply-To: <005f01c4796a$d5fb0a70$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <005f01c4796a$d5fb0a70$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <200408050700.05117.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Tuesday 03 August 2004 11:02 am, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > the other to bonded for Network Services (This bit is easy) > > > > lol -- that's the only part that's *not* easy for me. ;) Haven't > > figured out bonded NICs yet... > > Go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/bonding.htm > For those who are looking this page is actually located at http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/k12ltsp/bonding.htm Thanks for the instructions Gavin! -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 5 12:52:44 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:52:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] printing and scanning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c47aeb$19bf57d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Why not attach these to the server as well?? Not a bad idea if your server and workstations all reside in the same lab and the workload only needs one printer. But if you have a centralized server for more than one lab, or if your lab is busy enough that 2 or 3 printers distributed the room would be handier, then attaching to workstations might be helpful. I assume that is where will is at. Also attaching numerous scanners around a lab is almost a necessity in some situations. I am curious as to the responses for local scanners and the software to use with them. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us Thu Aug 5 13:35:21 2004 From: rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us (Bob Robnett) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:35:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card In-Reply-To: <000501c47b44$93b10120$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: The system requires a graphics card to start. It will not pass the first portion of the POST (Power On Self Test) without it. Any graphics card will do. You do not have to have a monitor hooked up to it, though. Bob Robnett Coordinator of Technology Southern Kern Unified School District 661-256-5020 X1509 FAX 661-256-6880 rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Krsnendu Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:33 PM To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net; k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card I have an Athlon 2500xp inside a regular tower case on MSI KT6 Delta motherboard. Can I use this without a graphics card? I would rather use it only as a server not as a terminal as well. I had the experience the other day that I was using the server machine directly as a terminal and openoffice froze the machine and I had to reboot. Naturally all the terminals went down. I am sure if I ran the program from another terminal machine I could have restarted that machine and the other machines connected to the server would have kept running. 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(Thanks Huck, too) ck At 11:11 PM 8/4/2004, bimal pandit wrote: >dear Carl > >its ok to do "logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login >screen" as this is the right procedure. > >further to your query if you dont log out and switch off the system then >the process wont get closed and remain live on the server and hence in >case if you try to relogin then programmes like evolution/openoffice >wont get opened pressing you to kill those on server first else nothing >will come up. > >hope this will help. > >regards, > >bimal > >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 04:01, Carl Keil wrote: > > What's the proper procedure for shutting off a thin client? > > I've been doing logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login > screen. > > I'm obviously still connected to the computer, so what would happen if I > > didn't log off first? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Aug 5 16:08:23 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:08:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41125B77.80409@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Bob Robnett wrote: > The system requires a graphics card to start. It will not pass the > first portion of the POST (Power On Self Test) without it. Any > graphics card will do. You do not have to have a monitor hooked up to > it, though. Most systems I've seen boot fine without a display card. On some of them, you have to have a display card installed at some stage though, and then you have to choose to disable it from the bios. Some boards have jumpers you have to select to enable booting without display card. PS: HTML posting and top-posting is evil :) -J From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu Aug 5 14:19:48 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:19:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A5654@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> top posting is not evil ... bottom posting is evil. I have to scroll down to read posts from bottom posters! :) oh, and linux is evil too. I hate it .... :) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Carter [mailto:jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org] Sent: 05 August 2004 17:08 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] server without graphics card Bob Robnett wrote: > The system requires a graphics card to start. It will not pass the > first portion of the POST (Power On Self Test) without it. Any > graphics card will do. You do not have to have a monitor hooked up to > it, though. Most systems I've seen boot fine without a display card. On some of them, you have to have a display card installed at some stage though, and then you have to choose to disable it from the bios. Some boards have jumpers you have to select to enable booting without display card. PS: HTML posting and top-posting is evil :) -J _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Aug 5 16:26:18 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:26:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card In-Reply-To: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A5654@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A5654@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Message-ID: <41125FAA.5030701@shuttleworthfoundation.org> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >top posting is not evil ... bottom posting is evil. I have to scroll down to >read posts from bottom posters! :) > >oh, and linux is evil too. I hate it > >.... >:) > > Well, at least it's not terroristic. Top posting and html together form an axis of evil and terrorism. I'll put Bush on you! :) From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu Aug 5 14:44:06 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:44:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A5655@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> *continues to top post* :) Bush? I'm not afraid of that pansy! What's he gonna do? Put me in prison without charging me and hold me for 2 years torturing me? ... slightly off topic I think ... but fun :) Now, go play with your bottom-posting penguins you big linux-head. We all know that linux is useless, insecure, and is fatally flawed as it doesn't have customizable bluescreens!!! -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Carter [mailto:jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org] Sent: 05 August 2004 17:26 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] server without graphics card daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >top posting is not evil ... bottom posting is evil. I have to scroll down to >read posts from bottom posters! :) > >oh, and linux is evil too. I hate it > >.... >:) > > Well, at least it's not terroristic. Top posting and html together form an axis of evil and terrorism. I'll put Bush on you! :) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. 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From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 5 15:04:40 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:04:40 +0100 Subject: Fw: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART III Message-ID: <003401c47afd$8848bf40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... I Have done Part III, Part III get the system ready to allow 'ALL' Users to use the Application server.... go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ Click on the Application Server HOWTO Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 5 15:06:51 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:06:51 +0100 Subject: Fw: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART IV Message-ID: <003c01c47afd$d688a350$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... I Have done Part IV, Part IV is just a very quick Stage to test what you done is Part III... go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ Click on the Application Server HOWTO Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 5 15:10:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:10:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Development/Alumni/Fundraising Database Message-ID: <001901c47afe$4d495570$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know of a open source or low cost solution for what is implied in the subject? I just found out that our Development Office is in the middle of signing a contract for a $10000 piece of software to do this stuff with a $1300 per year support agreement. I would love to crash the parade with an open source solution. Also I know that I have seen suggestions for Total School Management software out here before. I want to work towards a single infrastructure that will handle everything school, such as the previously stated, finances, class lists, grades, whatever. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have seen SchoolTool from the Shuttleworth foundation, any input there? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From dgough at papcs.com Thu Aug 5 15:15:42 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:15:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access restrictions Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C24C@xms.papcs.com> I'm going to recommend my favourite internet control thingy again :-) If you have an extra computer (almost any old Pentium class system will do), you can use CensorNet (www.censornet.com). It works great, and it's easy to use and administer. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: August 4, 2004 9:11 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Internet access restrictions What you need is "Squid Proxy Server". My reading tells me it has extensive access controls and is granular to the user level, you could only allow the teacher and his assistant Internet access and deny all others by username, so they could go to any machine and have same rights. This is an elegant solution and fits the requirement exactly. As to how to set it up, it's on my to-do list, but it can't be that tough. Bonus is it's open source and free. Regards, BC John P. Conlon wrote: > We have a Linux typing lab in our school. The layout is something we > got stuck with becaue of the way the school was built. The problem > the teacher has is that she can't see all screens at once because the > terminals are placed around the walls of the room. Because of the > grade book and such the teacher needs access to the Internet constantly. > > Is there a way or does someone have a routine that would require the > user to enter a password in order for Eth0 to allow an Internet > connection? > > I know that there is a way to set up users when the password files are > created but I don't know how to do that nor get a chance to > participate in that process so the users are not restricted there. > How would I go about altering the user access files after the fact to > restrict the students access to the Internet? Can this be done so > that the teacher could enter a password to give one time access as > needed? > > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dgough at papcs.com Thu Aug 5 15:20:27 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:20:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - from ISO to hard disk Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C24D@xms.papcs.com> Does anyone know a way that I can copy the contents of a bootable CD to a hard disk and then boot from the hard disk? Thanks, Doug Gough -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Thu Aug 5 15:18:43 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] shutting down a client In-Reply-To: <1091686259.4590.49.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On 5 Aug 2004, bimal pandit wrote: > dear Carl > > its ok to do "logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login > screen" as this is the right procedure. > > further to your query if you dont log out and switch off the system then > the process wont get closed and remain live on the server and hence in > case if you try to relogin then programmes like evolution/openoffice > wont get opened pressing you to kill those on server first else nothing > will come up. Actually, that's not entirely correct. If you are using KDM or XDM, you'll be fine. And, if you are using a version of GDM that is newer than May of 2003, you'll be ok as well. Those versions of the display managers will kill child processes when you disconnect from the display manager. It's still recommended that you close all open applications, but at least the zombie processes won't be hanging around. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > hope this will help. > > regards, > > bimal > > On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 04:01, Carl Keil wrote: > > What's the proper procedure for shutting off a thin client? > > I've been doing logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login screen. > > I'm obviously still connected to the computer, so what would happen if I > > didn't log off first? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aaa at pacifier.com Thu Aug 5 15:33:07 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:33:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1.0 trouble with pxe boot In-Reply-To: <1091622711.25511.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41105F1A.1030405@pacifier.com> <1091594784.24199.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41106FE5.8040705@pacifier.com> <1091622711.25511.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41125333.4050405@pacifier.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 00:11, Duane Wilson wrote: > > >>OK Les, >> /tftpboot/lts/pxe does not contain pxelinux.0 the only thing that >>carries the name pxelinux is a directory called pxelinux.cfg. >> >>Whats up with that??? >> >> > >It sounds like something went wrong in the upgrade, especially >if it worked before. I have a test machine where I did >an upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1alpha via isos and yum updates >after that and the directory and files appear in the >right place. However, I'm not really a fan of doing >version upgrades. I think it is usually better to have >/home on a separate partition and do a re-install without >formatting /home, making sure you have a copy of all the >files in /etc and anything else you customized in case you >need them for reference to duplicate the original setup. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > I am now a believer Les. I did a complete install of 4.1.0 and now PXE works great! Thanks for the advice. Duane From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 5 15:55:36 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:55:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V Message-ID: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... I have done Part V, Part V goes through howto make desktop launchers to the apps on your new Appserver.. go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ Click on the Application Server HOWTO Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 5 15:52:32 2004 From: aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us (Aaron Leininger) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:52:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem In-Reply-To: <41125333.4050405@pacifier.com> Message-ID: I know this is not entirely on topic but I could use some advice. I was trying to setup mysql on a redhat 8.0 box yesterday night. I downloaded and installed the RPM for the latest stable version from mysql.com and things were peachy. I then tried to change the root password as suggested and ever since then, I get all sorts of access denied errors. I tried to uninstall mysql (rpm -e) and I was told it wasn't installed!? I reran the install and it tells me it's already installed!!? I tried adding the --force command to re-install and it looks like it is re-installing something but the access denied errors continue. Beyond that, it appears that there are missing files here and there. I am hardly a pro at this so I am a bit confused as to what is exactly going on here. Can someone please tell me how to completely uninstall and re-install mysql from scratch? Thank you, Aaron From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 5 16:11:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:11:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c47b06$cdb8d840$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I then tried to change the root password as suggested and > ever since then, I get all sorts of access denied errors. If you are using PHPMyAdmin you will need to modify the php.inc.ini (or whatever the heck its called) with your new user and password. As a side note I have found it best to add in a new user with full global priveleges, then change the root. If things look good, delete the new user or just leave it as a back door for future mishapps. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 5 16:13:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:13:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <002001c47b07$1aab06a0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Hi List... > > I have done Part V, Part V goes through howto make desktop > launchers to the apps on your new Appserver.. go have a > quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ > Click on the Application Server HOWTO Just a quick thanks for your documentation efforts. I have been wondering how to do this and this helps a lot. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 5 17:37:35 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:37:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Development/Alumni/Fundraising Database In-Reply-To: <001901c47afe$4d495570$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c47afe$4d495570$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4112705F.9030707@paasda.org> Razor's Edge by chance? =) IF so...there isn't an open source solution that comes close(not that one couldn't be built by those with the knowledge) but Razor's Edge pretty much kicks butt for that development/alumni/fundraising etc.. --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Does anyone know of a open source or low cost solution for what is >implied in the subject? I just found out that our Development Office is >in the middle of signing a contract for a $10000 piece of software to do >this stuff with a $1300 per year support agreement. I would love to >crash the parade with an open source solution. > >Also I know that I have seen suggestions for Total School Management >software out here before. I want to work towards a single >infrastructure that will handle everything school, such as the >previously stated, finances, class lists, grades, whatever. Any >suggestions would be appreciated. I have seen SchoolTool from the >Shuttleworth foundation, any input there? > >Thanks > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 5 17:40:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:40:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem In-Reply-To: <001f01c47b06$cdb8d840$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001f01c47b06$cdb8d840$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4112710C.10708@paasda.org> *cough* shameless plug for win32 package called 'easyphp' which combines an apache web server, php stuff, and mysql db for windows OS's... Just in case... *ducks* --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I then tried to change the root password as suggested and >>ever since then, I get all sorts of access denied errors. >> >> > >If you are using PHPMyAdmin you will need to modify the php.inc.ini (or >whatever the heck its called) with your new user and password. > >As a side note I have found it best to add in a new user with full >global priveleges, then change the root. If things look good, delete >the new user or just leave it as a back door for future mishapps. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 5 17:51:52 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:51:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Development/Alumni/Fundraising Database In-Reply-To: <4112705F.9030707@paasda.org> Message-ID: <002501c47b14$e41ec280$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Razor's Edge by chance? =) > IF so...there isn't an open source solution that comes close(not that > one couldn't be built by those with the knowledge) > but Razor's Edge pretty much kicks butt for that > development/alumni/fundraising etc.. After a quick google search I found http://www.blackbaud.com/solutions/raisersedge.asp but where do I buy it? How much does it cost roughly? Or is this a call them and they will tailor a cost to who you are? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Aug 5 17:55:25 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:55:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Development/Alumni/Fundraising Database Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF1D@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Huck >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:38 PM >> >> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know of a open source or low cost solution for >> > what is implied in the subject? I just found out that our >> > Development Office is in the middle of signing a contract >> > for a $10000 piece of software to do this stuff with a >> > $1300 per year support agreement. I would love to crash >> > the parade with an open source solution. >> >> Razor's Edge by chance? =) >> IF so...there isn't an open source solution that comes >> close(not that >> one couldn't be built by those with the knowledge) >> but Razor's Edge pretty much kicks butt for that >> development/alumni/fundraising etc.. Yeah, those sort of prices do make it sound like Raisers' Edge. My experience (a while ago but my understanding is that this hasn't changed) is that the *real* cost of Blackbaud software comes after the purchase. Consulting fees can easily double the cost of the software. It is a very complicated package and you had better understand your organization pretty well before you begin setting things up or you'll end up doing it twice. There is some utility in that. It will force you to examine your organizational structure in ways that non-profits often don't bother. Although this is a Windows/Mac package and while I'm not at all familiar with the specifics of ebase , it claims (among other things) the following: ebase is powerful software ebase is a complete nonprofit database solution. With it's comprehensive feature set, ebase can help you manage donors, prospects, volunteers, activists, email lists and more - all in one place. ebase is economical to operate All of the powerful functionality of ebase is available to you without purchase of additional modules. ebase is open-source software and puts control of your database in your hands so you can customize and maintain your copy of ebase to meet the specific needs of your group. The only software cost is that if you plan on having more than one computer using the software, you will need to install FiewMaker Pro on each computer. They have special FileMaker pricing available for ebase users. You can download the single user copy which includes a FileMaker runtime which is plenty good enough for evaluation. Of course, if you need something that runs on Linux, this won't help you, I'm afraid. -- Henry From JacobsD at fsd38.ab.ca Thu Aug 5 18:05:51 2004 From: JacobsD at fsd38.ab.ca (Daniel Jacobs) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:05:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Bandwidth requirements Message-ID: Brian, Thanks for the reply Brian. Point taken, but I still would like to know the bandwidth requirements. We are situated in Alberta Canada, and here the government is connecting all government facilities(schools included) with a high speed fiber optic network. Our schools will be linked with a 10mb half duplex minimum(funded by the government). There is an option to upgrade this service to a higher bandwidth at the school's cost. The head end will have at least a 20 mb feed. I guess I want to just know if this is going to be sufficient because it has already been decided to put this ltsp cluster in place. Daniel >However you may want the reduced operational expense of maintaining a >clustered LTSP server, I think you'll find that when you run your total >numbers together with WAN costs to your service provider, you'll find >that this will far outweigh the operational costs of running separate >LTSP servers at each site. >Bottom line is, keep X traffic off the WAN links, but that shouldn't >stop you from authenticating from one central authentication server. Daniel Jacobs wrote: >>Hi everyone, >> >>We are in the process of running a pilot of LTSP in one of our schools. >>We are running it in a novell netware environment, that uses pam >>authentication etc... >>Once this is succesfull we will be "clustering" 6 of these boxes at our >>head end to serve all the schools in our division. My question is , What >>are the bandwidth requirements for each terminal? >>How much bandwidth does it draw to make it usable? >>The reason for this question is that we must make provision at out head >>end to handle the bandwidth requests for X-number of clients aswell as >>the other network traffic. >> >>Thanks >> >> >>Daniel Jacobs CNE >>Systems Analyst >>Foothills School Division #38 >>Tel: (403)652-6539 >> From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 5 18:32:31 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:32:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Bandwidth requirements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1091730751.17498.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 13:05, Daniel Jacobs wrote: > Thanks for the reply Brian. Point taken, but I still would like to know > the bandwidth requirements. > We are situated in Alberta Canada, and here the government is > connecting all government facilities(schools included) with a high speed > fiber optic network. Our schools will be linked with a 10mb half duplex > minimum(funded by the government). There is an option to upgrade this > service to a higher bandwidth at the school's cost. The head end will > have at least a 20 mb feed. > I guess I want to just know if this is going to be sufficient because > it has already been decided to put this ltsp cluster in place. We've seen people on the list mention that 100M interfaces are barely enough to drive 30 client machines from one server and that they see a big improvement from changing to a gig uplink between server and switch. Your WAN link is going to be an equivalent bottleneck but for all clients, not just those connected to a single server. I'd take the 100M per 30 clients as a minimum. Wouldn't it have been a good idea for the people making the decision to ask about the requirements first? ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 5 18:49:11 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:49:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Bandwidth requirements In-Reply-To: <1091730751.17498.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1091730751.17498.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41128127.5080507@paasda.org> Les, You know very well people don't ask before making administrative decisions in government =) They just 'DO' and then expect you to fix it afterwards...*dismounts soapbox* --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 13:05, Daniel Jacobs wrote: > > > >>Thanks for the reply Brian. Point taken, but I still would like to know >>the bandwidth requirements. >>We are situated in Alberta Canada, and here the government is >>connecting all government facilities(schools included) with a high speed >>fiber optic network. Our schools will be linked with a 10mb half duplex >>minimum(funded by the government). There is an option to upgrade this >>service to a higher bandwidth at the school's cost. The head end will >>have at least a 20 mb feed. >>I guess I want to just know if this is going to be sufficient because >>it has already been decided to put this ltsp cluster in place. >> >> > >We've seen people on the list mention that 100M interfaces are barely >enough to drive 30 client machines from one server and that they see >a big improvement from changing to a gig uplink between server and >switch. Your WAN link is going to be an equivalent bottleneck but >for all clients, not just those connected to a single server. I'd >take the 100M per 30 clients as a minimum. Wouldn't it have been >a good idea for the people making the decision to ask about the >requirements first? > >---- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From vceder at canterburyschool.org Thu Aug 5 18:47:44 2004 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:47:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Development/Alumni/Fundraising Database In-Reply-To: <001901c47afe$4d495570$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c47afe$4d495570$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <411280D0.2010202@canterburyschool.org> Hmmmm... $10000 and $1300 a year in support? Sounds like Raiser's Edge, with which I am cursed... If you find a way out, I would be interested in that too. Vern Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know of a open source or low cost solution for what is > implied in the subject? I just found out that our Development Office is > in the middle of signing a contract for a $10000 piece of software to do > this stuff with a $1300 per year support agreement. I would love to > crash the parade with an open source solution. > > Also I know that I have seen suggestions for Total School Management > software out here before. I want to work towards a single > infrastructure that will handle everything school, such as the > previously stated, finances, class lists, grades, whatever. Any > suggestions would be appreciated. I have seen SchoolTool from the > Shuttleworth foundation, any input there? > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 5 21:30:24 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:30:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Challenge...help? Samba-LDAP password=?ISO-8859-1?Q? changing?= In-Reply-To: References: <20040804221750.OGDO26088.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <4112A6F0.3080002@maltzen.net> I wrote some GUI stuff a few years ago using Perl/Tk, along the lines of what you're describing. I'm a little rusty, but I'd be willing to take a crack at it if you can wait a week or so (I've got a bunch of other things going on). Petre David Trask wrote: >I'll test anything anyone throws my way :-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 5 21:33:24 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:33:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card In-Reply-To: <000501c47b44$93b10120$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <000501c47b44$93b10120$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <4112A7A4.1000003@cfl.rr.com> Leave the graphics card in, and put a old small display on it for emergency console access is my advice. I'd get it into another locked room where nobody's tempted to sit down at it or bump the power switch. Krsnendu wrote: > I have an Athlon 2500xp inside a regular tower case on MSI KT6 Delta > motherboard. Can I use this without a graphics card? > > > > I would rather use it only as a server not as a terminal as well. I > had the experience the other day that I was using the server machine > directly as a terminal and openoffice froze the machine and I had to > reboot. Naturally all the terminals went down. I am sure if I ran the > program from another terminal machine I could have restarted that > machine and the other machines connected to the server would have kept > running. > > > > If I am not using the machine as a terminal do I need a graphics card. > Are there any tricks for getting it to start without it. > > > > I have been using an old pci graphics until now just to get it going. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Aug 5 21:59:04 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:59:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV Message-ID: Hi all, I have a question, I'm running ClamAV with MailScanner, It has been auto-updating just fine, however the last two days I am getting errors. "Error: Malformed CVD Header Detected" and "Error: Can't read main.cvd header from Database.clamav.net" Can someone tell me what is going on?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.3.0 - Release Date: 8/4/2004 From jcphill at psci.net Thu Aug 5 22:24:45 2004 From: jcphill at psci.net (jim phillips) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:24:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server without graphics card In-Reply-To: <4112A7A4.1000003@cfl.rr.com> References: <000501c47b44$93b10120$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> <4112A7A4.1000003@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1091744685.2077.3.camel@big.ox.com> On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 16:33, Brian Chase wrote: > Leave the graphics card in, and put a old small display on it for > emergency console access is my advice. > I'd get it into another locked room where nobody's tempted to sit down > at it or bump the power switch. > > Krsnendu wrote: > > > I have an Athlon 2500xp inside a regular tower case on MSI KT6 Delta > > motherboard. Can I use this without a graphics card? > > > > > > > > I would rather use it only as a server not as a terminal as well. I > > had the experience the other day that I was using the server machine > > directly as a terminal and openoffice froze the machine and I had to > > reboot. Maybe you could have gone to a client and logged in as root to kill oo? > Naturally all the terminals went down. I am sure if I ran the > > program from another terminal machine I could have restarted that > > machine and the other machines connected to the server would have kept > > running. > > > > > > > > If I am not using the machine as a terminal do I need a graphics card. > > Are there any tricks for getting it to start without it. > > > > > > > > I have been using an old pci graphics until now just to get it going. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Aug 5 22:54:33 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:54:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] logging students out Message-ID: <20040805225433.NWBC6319.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I am wondering if there is an easy way to log off students from my desk, which is also a workstation. There are occasions when a student is not behaving on the computer and I would like to be able to shut them down from my desk. Thanks! From aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 5 23:02:10 2004 From: aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us (Aaron Leininger) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:02:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem In-Reply-To: <001f01c47b06$cdb8d840$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I'm not using phpMyAdmin. I actually was using Webmin as the basic GUI interface and mysqladmin was the backend for that. I would love to add the new user w/ full privelage but I am locked out of any mysql functions. Is there a password file I can manually edit or remove that will help? Is there a way to tell RPM that the packages really are there and to go remove them? A way to remove them manually and then tell RPM that they're gone? Tell RPM to install over the top and actually re-write all of the files back in to the proper locations correctly? Any ideas would be helpful. I am a relative novice at this. -Aaron -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:11 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem > I then tried to change the root password as suggested and > ever since then, I get all sorts of access denied errors. If you are using PHPMyAdmin you will need to modify the php.inc.ini (or whatever the heck its called) with your new user and password. As a side note I have found it best to add in a new user with full global priveleges, then change the root. If things look good, delete the new user or just leave it as a back door for future mishapps. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 5 23:06:19 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:06:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logging students out In-Reply-To: <20040805225433.NWBC6319.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040805225433.NWBC6319.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4112BD6B.9010805@paasda.org> kill -9 of offending user =) it's so much fun! Will Hatch wrote: >I am wondering if there is an easy way to log off students from my desk, which is also a workstation. There are occasions when a student is not behaving on the computer and I would like to be able to shut them down from my desk. Thanks! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From pfaffman at relaxpc.com Thu Aug 5 23:08:08 2004 From: pfaffman at relaxpc.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question Message-ID: I'm setting up some k12ltsp boxes in a school. I'm a university professor who's offering free computers and at least some free support. (I still feel a little like I'm saying "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.") The tech guy, who has a reputation for not being very helpful, has been fairly accommodating (I'd be suspicious of someone putting stuff on my network too). His plan is to light up one network port per classroom. No problem, I say, the server (I'm planning to use the teacher workstations as servers for about 5 thin-clients) will use the only connection & all the other computers will still be able to surf the web even though they're not on the school's network. "I'll not have it" is the reply. His concern is that if people are actually using the Internet the T1 will get saturated. I've already considered things like Squid & doing bandwidth limiting and such & will propose those "solutions" when the time comes. (I suggested a proxy server to which he said he was using NAT, so it's not clear that he understands a caching proxy server.) My question is, "how many users will a T1 typically support?" Do many schools have a fatter pipe than a T1? -- Jay Pfaffman pfaffman at utk.edu Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.coe.utk.edu/~pfaffman/ +1-865-974-0497 (W) +1-865-898-0497 (M) From nsantiago at caclv.org Thu Aug 5 23:10:53 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:10:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question Message-ID: My pipe is actually only a cable modem (800k) and it serves our purposes well for about 70 concurrent users across 150 workstations. We use a Squid/DansGuardian setup on a Mitel Networks SME Server and it works great. Everyone can access the Internet and e-mail nice and quick. -Nick _____ Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to call the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the War on Poverty, Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost $5 per person. Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. 1337 East Fifth Street Bethlehem, PA 18015 www.caclv.org _____ From: Jay Pfaffman [mailto:pfaffman at relaxpc.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:08 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question I'm setting up some k12ltsp boxes in a school. I'm a university professor who's offering free computers and at least some free support. (I still feel a little like I'm saying "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.") The tech guy, who has a reputation for not being very helpful, has been fairly accommodating (I'd be suspicious of someone putting stuff on my network too). His plan is to light up one network port per classroom. No problem, I say, the server (I'm planning to use the teacher workstations as servers for about 5 thin-clients) will use the only connection & all the other computers will still be able to surf the web even though they're not on the school's network. "I'll not have it" is the reply. His concern is that if people are actually using the Internet the T1 will get saturated. I've already considered things like Squid & doing bandwidth limiting and such & will propose those "solutions" when the time comes. (I suggested a proxy server to which he said he was using NAT, so it's not clear that he understands a caching proxy server.) My question is, "how many users will a T1 typically support?" Do many schools have a fatter pipe than a T1? -- Jay Pfaffman pfaffman at utk.edu Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.coe.utk.edu/~pfaffman/ +1-865-974-0497 (W) +1-865-898-0497 (M) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 5 23:18:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:18:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4112C052.3050506@paasda.org> we use a 512k dsl line... for about 70 concurrent users ... squid/dansguardian setup.... and depending on the sites being visited it can slow...far from a crawl..but noticable but a full T1 line??...you won't come close to saturating it... --Huck Jay Pfaffman wrote: >I'm setting up some k12ltsp boxes in a school. I'm a university professor >who's offering free computers and at least some free support. (I still >feel a little like I'm saying "I'm from the Government and I'm here to >help.") The tech guy, who has a reputation for not being very helpful, has >been fairly accommodating (I'd be suspicious of someone putting stuff on >my network too). > >His plan is to light up one network port per classroom. No problem, I >say, the server (I'm planning to use the teacher workstations as >servers for about 5 thin-clients) will use the only connection & all the >other computers will still be able to surf the web even though they're not >on the school's network. "I'll not have it" is the reply. His concern is >that if people are actually using the Internet the T1 will get saturated. > >I've already considered things like Squid & doing bandwidth limiting and >such & will propose those "solutions" when the time comes. (I suggested a >proxy server to which he said he was using NAT, so it's not clear that he >understands a caching proxy server.) My question is, "how many users will >a T1 typically support?" Do many schools have a fatter pipe than a T1? > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 5 23:16:35 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:16:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logging students out In-Reply-To: <4112BD6B.9010805@paasda.org> References: <20040805225433.NWBC6319.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <4112BD6B.9010805@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1091747795.16406.229.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 16:06, Huck wrote: > kill -9 of offending user =) > > it's so much fun! This does the same thing, without having to figure out what the PID of their login process: /usr/sbin/purge_user -Eric > Will Hatch wrote: > > >I am wondering if there is an easy way to log off students from my desk, which is also a workstation. There are occasions when a student is not behaving on the computer and I would like to be able to shut them down from my desk. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps I can pass a parameter to it to make it work? Also, in two out of three machines I set up, the sound card is correctly identified, but won't work. My best guess is some kind of conflict between the sound and the extra Ethernet card I added. -- Jay Pfaffman pfaffman at utk.edu Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.coe.utk.edu/~pfaffman/ +1-865-974-0497 (W) +1-865-898-0497 (M) From ferndoc at fastmail.fm Thu Aug 5 23:28:39 2004 From: ferndoc at fastmail.fm (Fernando) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:28:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1091748519.20047.201796127@webmail.messagingengine.com> Looking for an AntiVirus; any suggestions? On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:10:53 -0400 , "Santiago, Nicholas" said: > My pipe is actually only a cable modem (800k) and it serves our purposes > well for about 70 concurrent users across 150 workstations. > > We use a Squid/DansGuardian setup on a Mitel Networks SME Server and it > works great. Everyone can access the Internet and e-mail nice and quick. > > -Nick > > > > > > _____ > > Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to > call > the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of > the > War on Poverty, > Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost > $5 > per person. > Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. > Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. > 1337 East Fifth Street > Bethlehem, PA 18015 > www.caclv.org > > _____ > > > From: Jay Pfaffman [mailto:pfaffman at relaxpc.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:08 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question > > > I'm setting up some k12ltsp boxes in a school. I'm a university professor > who's offering free computers and at least some free support. (I still > feel > a little like I'm saying "I'm from the Government and I'm here to > help.") The tech guy, who has a reputation for not being very helpful, > has > been fairly accommodating (I'd be suspicious of someone putting stuff on > my > network too). > > His plan is to light up one network port per classroom. No problem, I > say, the server (I'm planning to use the teacher workstations as > servers for about 5 thin-clients) will use the only connection & all the > other computers will still be able to surf the web even though they're > not > on the school's network. "I'll not have it" is the reply. His concern is > that if people are actually using the Internet the T1 will get saturated. > > I've already considered things like Squid & doing bandwidth limiting and > such & will propose those "solutions" when the time comes. (I suggested a > proxy server to which he said he was using NAT, so it's not clear that he > understands a caching proxy server.) My question is, "how many users will > a > T1 typically support?" Do many schools have a fatter pipe than a T1? > > -- > Jay Pfaffman pfaffman at utk.edu > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > http://learn.coe.utk.edu/~pfaffman/ > +1-865-974-0497 (W) +1-865-898-0497 (M) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Fernando ferndoc at fastmail.fm From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 5 23:32:17 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:32:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logging students out In-Reply-To: <1091747795.16406.229.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20040805225433.NWBC6319.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <4112BD6B.9010805@paasda.org> <1091747795.16406.229.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4112C381.1030503@paasda.org> oh nifty... you can create a folder on YOUR desktop with a launcher for each student name =) then when Jimmy is goof'n off...ZAP!'em! I just like looking at thier mystified looks as the program or terminal just blanks on them =) Then they look around to see if anyone noticed they were mess'n around....heh..kids..gotta luv 'em! --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 16:06, Huck wrote: > > >>kill -9 of offending user =) >> >>it's so much fun! >> >> > >This does the same thing, without having to figure out what the PID of >their login process: > > /usr/sbin/purge_user > >-Eric > > > >>Will Hatch wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am wondering if there is an easy way to log off students from my desk, which is also a workstation. There are occasions when a student is not behaving on the computer and I would like to be able to shut them down from my desk. Thanks! >>> >>> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From nsantiago at caclv.org Thu Aug 5 23:30:35 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:30:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] logging students out Message-ID: As evil as that is, it's really cool. -Nick _____ Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to call the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the War on Poverty, Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost $5 per person. Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. 1337 East Fifth Street Bethlehem, PA 18015 www.caclv.org _____ From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:32 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] logging students out oh nifty... you can create a folder on YOUR desktop with a launcher for each student name =) then when Jimmy is goof'n off...ZAP!'em! I just like looking at thier mystified looks as the program or terminal just blanks on them =) Then they look around to see if anyone noticed they were mess'n around....heh..kids..gotta luv 'em! --Huck From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 6 01:25:25 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:25:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4112DE05.8010404@cfl.rr.com> You want to block internet radio, and other streaming media that's not required. Surfing and email will not usually saturate a T-1 line, even for several hundred users. I'd suggest having some sort of policy to limit the use of Instant messaging, however that's not a bandwidth hungry application. The reason I suggest this is for liability reasons. Jay Pfaffman wrote: >I'm setting up some k12ltsp boxes in a school. I'm a university professor >who's offering free computers and at least some free support. (I still >feel a little like I'm saying "I'm from the Government and I'm here to >help.") The tech guy, who has a reputation for not being very helpful, has >been fairly accommodating (I'd be suspicious of someone putting stuff on >my network too). > >His plan is to light up one network port per classroom. No problem, I >say, the server (I'm planning to use the teacher workstations as >servers for about 5 thin-clients) will use the only connection & all the >other computers will still be able to surf the web even though they're not >on the school's network. "I'll not have it" is the reply. His concern is >that if people are actually using the Internet the T1 will get saturated. > >I've already considered things like Squid & doing bandwidth limiting and >such & will propose those "solutions" when the time comes. (I suggested a >proxy server to which he said he was using NAT, so it's not clear that he >understands a caching proxy server.) My question is, "how many users will >a T1 typically support?" Do many schools have a fatter pipe than a T1? > > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 6 02:44:25 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:44:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87C5402F-E752-11D8-BD9B-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Do you have a root mysql user? On Aug 5, 2004, at 6:02 PM, Aaron Leininger wrote: > I'm not using phpMyAdmin. I actually was using Webmin as the basic GUI > interface and mysqladmin was the backend for that. > > I would love to add the new user w/ full privelage but I am locked out > of > any mysql functions. Is there a password file I can manually edit or > remove > that will help? Is there a way to tell RPM that the packages really are > there and to go remove them? A way to remove them manually and then > tell RPM > that they're gone? Tell RPM to install over the top and actually > re-write > all of the files back in to the proper locations correctly? > > Any ideas would be helpful. I am a relative novice at this. > -Aaron > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:11 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem > > >> I then tried to change the root password as suggested and >> ever since then, I get all sorts of access denied errors. > > If you are using PHPMyAdmin you will need to modify the php.inc.ini (or > whatever the heck its called) with your new user and password. > > As a side note I have found it best to add in a new user with full > global priveleges, then change the root. If things look good, delete > the new user or just leave it as a back door for future mishapps. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkES8IoACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT24ACfSve1IsF1nE0HEhlnRkdXdSzC NVUAnR9TETlC/AuJTe9hVAU/d9qt5+Uy =nIml -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 6 03:06:31 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] another bandwidth question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4232.66.129.41.148.1091761591.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Jay Pfaffman said: > My question is, "how many users will > a T1 typically support?" Do many schools have a fatter pipe than a T1? Web browsing folks, a ton. 2 years ago, we shared a T1 with a neighboring district, and had approximately 500 concurrent users browsing the web. I also turned all web-caching OFF on my server (it couldn't handle the load, and I needed the filtering) and we barely tickled the bandwidth. You need to ask: 1) is it truly a T1 line, or just a DSL line @ 1.5mbit. My cisco training is getting old, so I can't explain the why, but I can tell you first hand there is a significant difference in performance. A true frame relay T1 line is pretty decent for a ton of web browsers. 2) are you really just web/emailing on the line? If he's concerned about saturating the line with browsing, you'd have to be a mighty big district, and your ltsp mini-labs won't make a dent. 3) if he's worried about the downloads of his Star Trek episodes, and the latest SG-1 episodes -- he should do those at night anyway. (as I stand up in the crowd, "My name is Shawn, and I'm a geek...") 4) ask nicely for a trial run, get kids surfing to beat heck, and see if it touches his bandwidth. He probably has mrtg graphs so he could watch. It would be best if you ask him HIS opinion on whether or not the traffic spike is too much, that way you yield to his knowledge, and he might be less "against" the idea. Good luck, I hope it works out for you! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Aug 6 03:34:04 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:34:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] shutting down a client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c47b66$39474830$0801000a@winworkstation> OK, muddy the waters why don't you? (Thanks for the reply though.) It kinda seemed to me that *having* to log out, before powering down, would be kindof a deal breaker on this setup, since kids are the end users, and kids hardly ever follow protocols. But I also know that computers often don't care whether you *want* to follow their protocols or not. ck >-----Original Message----- >From: jam at McQuil.Com [mailto:jam at McQuil.Com] >Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:19 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Cc: Carl Keil >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] shutting down a client > > >On 5 Aug 2004, bimal pandit wrote: > >> dear Carl >> >> its ok to do "logoff -> then hitting the power switch at the login >> screen" as this is the right procedure. >> >> further to your query if you dont log out and switch off the >system then >> the process wont get closed and remain live on the server >and hence in >> case if you try to relogin then programmes like evolution/openoffice >> wont get opened pressing you to kill those on server first >else nothing >> will come up. > >Actually, that's not entirely correct. > >If you are using KDM or XDM, you'll be fine. And, if you are using a >version of GDM that is newer than May of 2003, you'll be ok as well. > >Those versions of the display managers will kill child processes when >you disconnect from the display manager. > >It's still recommended that you close all open applications, but at >least the zombie processes won't be hanging around. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > > >> >> hope this will help. >> >> regards, >> >> bimal >> >> On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 04:01, Carl Keil wrote: >> > What's the proper procedure for shutting off a thin client? >> > I've been doing logoff -> then hitting the power switch at >the login screen. >> > I'm obviously still connected to the computer, so what >would happen if I >> > didn't log off first? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > ck >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Aug 6 08:42:45 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 06 Aug 2004 14:12:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] logging students out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1091781765.6667.23.camel@server.ltsp> dear sir, this is not clear to me i.e. where to get the PID from?? ps -ef, top, etc ?? then every time i had to do that!! pls elaborate. regards, bimal On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 05:00, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > As evil as that is, it's really cool. > > -Nick > > > > > > _____ > > Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to > call > the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the > War on Poverty, > Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost $5 > per person. > Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. > Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. > 1337 East Fifth Street > Bethlehem, PA 18015 > www.caclv.org > > _____ > > > From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:32 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] logging students out > > > oh nifty... > you can create a folder on YOUR desktop with a launcher for each student > name =) > then when Jimmy is goof'n off...ZAP!'em! > > I just like looking at thier mystified looks as the program or terminal > just blanks on them =) > Then they look around to see if anyone noticed they were mess'n > around....heh..kids..gotta luv 'em! > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Fri Aug 6 10:57:56 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:57:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] logging students out Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A565E@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> ps -fu studentUserName That'll list everything you need Daniel -----Original Message----- From: bimal pandit [mailto:bimalp at indoasian.com] Sent: 06 August 2004 09:43 To: software in schools." Support list for opensource; Santiago at indoasian.com; Nicholas; Huck Subject: RE: [K12OSN] logging students out dear sir, this is not clear to me i.e. where to get the PID from?? ps -ef, top, etc ?? then every time i had to do that!! pls elaborate. regards, bimal On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 05:00, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > As evil as that is, it's really cool. > > -Nick > > > > > > _____ > > Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to > call > the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the > War on Poverty, > Saturday, September 4. 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From I.Derks at translucent.nl Fri Aug 6 11:23:30 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:23:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 17:55, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi List... > > I have done Part V, Part V goes through howto make desktop > launchers to the apps on your new Appserver.. > go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ > Click on the Application Server HOWTO > Nicely done. We did the same kind of seperation of X & Apps but make the scripting a little different: -There is no need for expect or tcl, juist ssh-keygen -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' will generate keys without the need for user intervention. Likewise will ssh-keyscan -t rsa "appserver_ip,xserver_ip " > ~/.ssh/known_hosts obsolete the need for user intervention while handshaking with the server. We put this as a little script in de /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/ dir so the keys are generated on the fly while users login through GDM/KDM. The old keys are throw away while logging out with the purge_user script. (added for a little more security). The appserver needs it's home dirs to be mounted on the X_server because apps like mozilla and openoffice generate a lot of userdependant data, also does it make for consistent file browsing to be on "1" server. Kind regards, Immanuel Derks From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 6 13:12:14 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:12:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) THX Petre In-Reply-To: <000a01c47ac4$9e294520$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> <4110EBDA.7070302@maltzen.net> <000a01c47ac4$9e294520$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <411383AE.9020103@maltzen.net> Be my guest. It's always satisfying to code up something that makes one's life easier; it's exponentially so when others can make use of that code. Petre Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hey Petre > >Your Script is Exactly what I have been looking for.... >Do you Mind if i add it to My HOWTO ? > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Aug 6 13:21:00 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:21:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V References: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001f01c47bb8$372d2180$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List & Immanuel, > The appserver needs it's home dirs to be mounted on the X_server because > apps like mozilla and openoffice generate a lot of userdependant data, > also does it make for consistent file browsing to be on "1" server. My Current HOWTO im working on is on HOWTO mount the /home Dir on multipul servers.... Keep your eyez open for this HOWTO by @ latest Tus/Wed next week.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Aug 6 13:25:50 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:25:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RSH vs SSH (was some other topic) THX Petre References: <4110DDC1.7070802@inlandlakes.org> <4110EBDA.7070302@maltzen.net><000a01c47ac4$9e294520$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <411383AE.9020103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <003a01c47bb8$e42b5320$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Petre, > Be my guest. It's always satisfying to code up something that makes > one's life easier; it's exponentially so when others can make use of > that code. Thx Petre... I had to make a few changes to your post, But I couldn't have done it without your input... Your Script was added to Part III @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/k12ltsp/appserverIII.htm Go have a quick look if you get a chance.... Thank You Again for your input... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 6 13:27:31 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:27:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - from ISO to hard disk In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C24D@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C24D@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <41138743.4030807@maltzen.net> This O'Reilly article is about how to build your own custom Knoppix CD. One of the steps it covers is copying the Knoppix CD to the hard disk (on its own partition) and then adjusting LILO or grub to allow you to boot from that partition. It's not too difficult, good article. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/knoppix.html Petre Doug Gough wrote: > Does anyone know a way that I can copy the contents of a bootable CD > to a hard disk and then boot from the hard disk? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doug Gough > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Aug 6 13:32:23 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:32:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] mysql problem In-Reply-To: <4112710C.10708@paasda.org>; from dhuckaby@paasda.org on Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 10:40:28AM -0700 References: <001f01c47b06$cdb8d840$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <4112710C.10708@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20040806093223.A22681@redline.comcast.net> On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 10:40:28AM -0700, Huck wrote: > *cough* shameless plug for win32 package called 'easyphp' which combines > an apache web server, php stuff, and mysql db for windows OS's... > Just in case... > *ducks* Don't be afraid. Its still an OpenSource solution. Whatever gets the job done for our schools is "good"! Especially when it doesn't make the schools have to buy and manage more licenses. Its likely that the first use of Open Source in schools will be students using OpenOffice and GIMP 2.0. Both are available for Windows and Linux and they can take those programs home and use them for free on their home PC's without having to worry about "stealing", since these programs are, as we all know, free! free However - I do want to speak to you after school about your "top posting" in emails.... :) -- Our father, which art in Redmond, Monopoly be thy name. Thy empire come, thy OS never done, shipping as it is in development Give us this day, our daily bug And forgive address violations as we forgive those viruses that trespass against us Lead us not unto competition but deliver us from Choice For thine is the license, the revenue and the greed forever. Amen ========================================== Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 6 13:36:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:36:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - from ISO to hard disk In-Reply-To: <41138743.4030807@maltzen.net> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C24D@xms.papcs.com> <41138743.4030807@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1091799414.3007.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 08:27, Petre Scheie wrote: > This O'Reilly article is about how to build your own custom Knoppix CD. > One of the steps it covers is copying the Knoppix CD to the hard disk > (on its own partition) and then adjusting LILO or grub to allow you to > boot from that partition. It's not too difficult, good article. > > http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/knoppix.html Someone could bring this back on-topic by coming up with a modification to the iso that would make it start X -query ltsp automatically so it would work to boot laptops or other hardware that won't network boot as a thin client. Or, for faster desktops, make it authenticate to your central system, NFS mount your home directory and run as a fat client with a local desktop and perhaps some icons to run certain apps on an application server elsewhere. Some DNS naming conventions should be all it takes to make this fairly generic. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 6 13:53:48 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] automated SSH pairs (cool!) In-Reply-To: <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <50609.10.10.10.10.1091800428.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Ok, Les will be proud, I think I can (while using the insecure NFS unfortunately) use the collective knowledge of the list and automate "on the fly" keyspairs for the appserver. I tried this manually (not scripted into the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d directory, heck I didn't even know that existed...) and it seemed to work: ssh-keygen -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' ssh-keyscan -t rsa "appserver_ip" > ~/.ssh/known_hosts ssh-keyscan -t rsa "appserver2_ip" >> ~/.ssh/known_hosts cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 Then, in those 4 automated steps, my user is keypaired to start applications from appserver and appserver2. (I know that "ssh-keyscan" allows multiple IPs on the same command, but the comma separated list wouldn't work for me. Some things just aren't worth troubleshooting. :) This DOES require /home to be the same on both machines, but so does remote application stuff anyway, usually. Thank you Immanuel, Gavin, Les, and anyone else that piped in on this thread. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 6 14:09:34 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:09:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c47bbf$005113e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > "Error: Malformed CVD Header Detected" and "Error: Can't read > main.cvd header from Database.clamav.net" Can someone tell me > what is going on?????? I am running ClamAV as well with our mailserver and have seen the same error once or twice a day over the last couple of days. I also get an error once or twice saying that it could not receive an update. However it is checking for updates every hour so I figured worst cast it is still updating correctly 20 times a day. So I just wrote it off as a problem with the update server due to traffice overload and delete my couple of notices per day and go on with my life. But if anyone knows of what causes this, if it is a big deal, or how I could fix it, I would be interested in the info as well. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 6 14:35:08 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:35:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4113971C.6010601@maltzen.net> Much more graceful than my script! I had a hunch there was a better way to do it. Petre Immanuel Derks wrote: >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 17:55, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > >>Hi List... >> >> I have done Part V, Part V goes through howto make desktop >> launchers to the apps on your new Appserver.. >> go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ >> Click on the Application Server HOWTO >> >> >> > >Nicely done. We did the same kind of seperation of X & Apps but make the >scripting a little different: > >-There is no need for expect or tcl, juist > >ssh-keygen -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' > >will generate keys without the need for user intervention. >Likewise will > >ssh-keyscan -t rsa "appserver_ip,xserver_ip " > ~/.ssh/known_hosts > >obsolete the need for user intervention while handshaking with the >server. > >We put this as a little script in de /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/ dir so >the keys are generated on the fly while users login through GDM/KDM. >The old keys are throw away while logging out with the purge_user >script. (added for a little more security). > >The appserver needs it's home dirs to be mounted on the X_server because >apps like mozilla and openoffice generate a lot of userdependant data, >also does it make for consistent file browsing to be on "1" server. > >Kind regards, >Immanuel Derks > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 6 14:54:18 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:54:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV In-Reply-To: <000601c47bbf$005113e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c47bbf$005113e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41139B9A.7070208@maltzen.net> I, too, am running ClamAV. My logs show the updater failed four times on Aug. 3, every hour from 7pm through 10pm, but after that it's been fine. And I didn't get the error you guys did. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>"Error: Malformed CVD Header Detected" and "Error: Can't read >>main.cvd header from Database.clamav.net" Can someone tell me >>what is going on?????? >> >> > >I am running ClamAV as well with our mailserver and have seen the same >error once or twice a day over the last couple of days. I also get an >error once or twice saying that it could not receive an update. However >it is checking for updates every hour so I figured worst cast it is >still updating correctly 20 times a day. So I just wrote it off as a >problem with the update server due to traffice overload and delete my >couple of notices per day and go on with my life. But if anyone knows >of what causes this, if it is a big deal, or how I could fix it, I would >be interested in the info as well. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From I.Derks at translucent.nl Fri Aug 6 15:15:01 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:15:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <4113971C.6010601@maltzen.net> References: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4113971C.6010601@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1091805235.3107.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 16:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > Much more graceful than my script! I had a hunch there was a better way > to do it. > :) For real cool admin stuff, collect all your users in a LDAP db server (we populated 1100 users in de dbase with al little AWK scripting) Give them with apg generated passwords and let all servers authenticate to that LDAP server. Next use pam_mkhomedir module and the aforementioned auto ssh keygeneration trick in the x init.d map and your users will automatically be setup with there first login. Something we're still busy with is good skel dir structures, fixed mozilla and openoffice environments. Any good worked out suggestions here? Kind regards, Immanuel > Petre > > Immanuel Derks wrote: > > >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 17:55, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > > > > >>Hi List... > >> > >> I have done Part V, Part V goes through howto make desktop > >> launchers to the apps on your new Appserver.. > >> go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ > >> Click on the Application Server HOWTO > >> > >> > >> > > > >Nicely done. We did the same kind of seperation of X & Apps but make the > >scripting a little different: > > > >-There is no need for expect or tcl, juist > > > >ssh-keygen -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' > > > >will generate keys without the need for user intervention. > >Likewise will > > > >ssh-keyscan -t rsa "appserver_ip,xserver_ip " > ~/.ssh/known_hosts > > > >obsolete the need for user intervention while handshaking with the > >server. > > > >We put this as a little script in de /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/ dir so > >the keys are generated on the fly while users login through GDM/KDM. > >The old keys are throw away while logging out with the purge_user > >script. (added for a little more security). > > > >The appserver needs it's home dirs to be mounted on the X_server because > >apps like mozilla and openoffice generate a lot of userdependant data, > >also does it make for consistent file browsing to be on "1" server. > > > >Kind regards, > >Immanuel Derks > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 6127702 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From I.Derks at translucent.nl Fri Aug 6 15:20:07 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:20:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <4113971C.6010601@maltzen.net> References: <00b101c47b04$a5fcf2c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <1091791410.3497.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4113971C.6010601@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1091805567.3107.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 16:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > Much more graceful than my script! I had a hunch there was a better way > to do it. Yeah, for real cool admin stuff, collect all your users in a LDAP db server (we populated 1100 users in de dbase with al little AWK scripting) Give them with apg generated passwords and let all servers authenticate to that LDAP server. Next use pam_mkhomedir module and the aforementioned auto ssh keygeneration trick in the x init.d map and your users will automatically be setup with there first login. Something we're still busy with is good skel dir structures with fixed mozilla and openoffice environments. Any good worked out suggestions here? Kind regards, Immanuel > Petre > > Immanuel Derks wrote: > > >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 17:55, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > > > > >>Hi List... > >> > >> I have done Part V, Part V goes through howto make desktop > >> launchers to the apps on your new Appserver.. > >> go have a quick look @ http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk/gsp/ > >> Click on the Application Server HOWTO > >> > >> > >> > > > >Nicely done. We did the same kind of seperation of X & Apps but make the > >scripting a little different: > > > >-There is no need for expect or tcl, juist > > > >ssh-keygen -t rsa -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -C '' -N '' > > > >will generate keys without the need for user intervention. > >Likewise will > > > >ssh-keyscan -t rsa "appserver_ip,xserver_ip " > ~/.ssh/known_hosts > > > >obsolete the need for user intervention while handshaking with the > >server. > > > >We put this as a little script in de /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/ dir so > >the keys are generated on the fly while users login through GDM/KDM. > >The old keys are throw away while logging out with the purge_user > >script. (added for a little more security). > > > >The appserver needs it's home dirs to be mounted on the X_server because > >apps like mozilla and openoffice generate a lot of userdependant data, > >also does it make for consistent file browsing to be on "1" server. > > > >Kind regards, > >Immanuel Derks > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 6127702 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 6 15:22:32 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Default Printers Message-ID: <51390.10.10.10.10.1091805752.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> I know this topic has been discussed before, but I'm not sure there was a definative answer... Is there a way to set a user's default printer based on group assignment? Or by any other means? Here's my scenario: I have 3 buildings (connected via gigabit fiber) that log onto an LTSP server. Using cups, I have 1 printer set as the default. When folks use programs like openoffice, and just hit the "print" icon, it sends an lpr job to the default printer. If I could base the user's default printer on SOMETHING other than the system default, that would be great. OR, is there a way to get applications like openoffice and mozilla to DEFAULT to opening a program like kprinter when they click on the print button? I know you can change the setting as a user, but I'm talking defaults here... :) OR^2 what does everyone else do? Thanks a bunch... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 6 15:34:34 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:34:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <1091805235.3107.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000701c47bca$e01b43f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > For real cool admin stuff, collect all your users in a LDAP > db server (we populated 1100 users in de dbase with al little > AWK scripting) Give them with apg generated passwords and let > all servers authenticate to that LDAP server. > > Next use pam_mkhomedir module and the aforementioned auto ssh > keygeneration trick in the x init.d map and your users will > automatically be setup with there first login. Sounds like this suggestion coupled with the last few would make a great addition to the How To site of Gavin's! This could really bring everything together. I wish I knew more about this stuff because I would love to help. For me central authentication is a big mystery yet, so I am just running every thing off of a single quad processor box. But splitting them up would be great. My idea that I want to get figured out is to have a central authentication server running from sort of database backend (mysql maybe, or LDAP but not sure how to tie to a database), then I could tie our desktop database for managing students and families right into it. So I when a new student enters the school and Admissions enters them into the database, the random alphanumeric password is generated with a unique username, which updates the server backend automatically, then all other server receive their updates from the main auth server, home folders generate with keys and mail accounts automatically setup, the web portal which is also tied to the auth server would update, and all I have to do is.....oh yea...nothing :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 6 15:51:17 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:51:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <000701c47bca$e01b43f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c47bca$e01b43f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1091807477.5862.139.camel@penguin> LDAP is a great backend for what you want to do, plus you can use pgina to authenticate your XP boxes to it so you'll have one authentication database for everything XP and Linux. It might also work for W2000, etc. I've just recently setup our network this way and am very happy with it, once I figured out how to get the ACLs to work right. :-) JSR/ On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 11:34, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > For real cool admin stuff, collect all your users in a LDAP > > db server (we populated 1100 users in de dbase with al little > > AWK scripting) Give them with apg generated passwords and let > > all servers authenticate to that LDAP server. > > > > Next use pam_mkhomedir module and the aforementioned auto ssh > > keygeneration trick in the x init.d map and your users will > > automatically be setup with there first login. > > Sounds like this suggestion coupled with the last few would make a great > addition to the How To site of Gavin's! This could really bring > everything together. I wish I knew more about this stuff because I > would love to help. For me central authentication is a big mystery yet, > so I am just running every thing off of a single quad processor box. > But splitting them up would be great. > > My idea that I want to get figured out is to have a central > authentication server running from sort of database backend (mysql > maybe, or LDAP but not sure how to tie to a database), then I could tie > our desktop database for managing students and families right into it. > So I when a new student enters the school and Admissions enters them > into the database, the random alphanumeric password is generated with a > unique username, which updates the server backend automatically, then > all other server receive their updates from the main auth server, home > folders generate with keys and mail accounts automatically setup, the > web portal which is also tied to the auth server would update, and all I > have to do is.....oh yea...nothing :-) > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dgough at papcs.com Fri Aug 6 15:08:56 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:08:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - from ISO to hard disk Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C250@xms.papcs.com> I figured it out. If others are wanting to find a way to boot their thin clients from a hard drive, I could post my simplistic howto on the wiki. Here's a rough outline of the steps. First I used fdisk and syslinux to prep the hard drive, and then I used PXES, extracted the correct files from the ISO, and copied them to the hard drive. Then I modified the syslinux config files, and shazam...a thinclient that boots from the hard drive. This is the perfect solution for us, as we are converting a bunch of AMD K6-2 350MHz systems with 4 gig hard drives into thinclients. It only requires 25 MB on the hard drive, so it should work on any old system. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: August 6, 2004 6:37 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - from ISO to hard disk On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 08:27, Petre Scheie wrote: > This O'Reilly article is about how to build your own custom Knoppix CD. > One of the steps it covers is copying the Knoppix CD to the hard disk > (on its own partition) and then adjusting LILO or grub to allow you to > boot from that partition. It's not too difficult, good article. > > http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/knoppix.html Someone could bring this back on-topic by coming up with a modification to the iso that would make it start X -query ltsp automatically so it would work to boot laptops or other hardware that won't network boot as a thin client. Or, for faster desktops, make it authenticate to your central system, NFS mount your home directory and run as a fat client with a local desktop and perhaps some icons to run certain apps on an application server elsewhere. Some DNS naming conventions should be all it takes to make this fairly generic. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 6 16:01:05 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <1091807477.5862.139.camel@penguin> References: <000701c47bca$e01b43f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1091807477.5862.139.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <51624.10.10.10.10.1091808065.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Josiah Ritchie said: > LDAP is a great backend for what you want to do, plus you can use pgina > to authenticate your XP boxes to it so you'll have one authentication > database for everything XP and Linux. It might also work for W2000, etc. Ya know -- I REALLY wanted to implement LDAP this year, but it's still above my comprehension. *sigh* Maybe I've been using /etc/passwd and such for too many years. NIS has worked great for me, (and the pgina_pam application for windows authentication off the linux accounts) and I don't understand how to actually administer the LDAP accounts... Maybe next year. This year, when I was trying to get LDAP working, I *did* get authentication to work with the one or two accounts I painstakingly added by hand -- but I just don't get how to add hundreds of users to the LDAP database, and have everything (home directories created, etc) just work. Ironically, the samba integration part, for me, isn't the big problem. :) One of the wonderful things about OpenSource -- I don't HAVE to do either, I have the choice. :) (but boy do I ever want to get LDAP working -- for the bonus addressbook if nothing else!) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 6 16:29:44 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:29:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <51624.10.10.10.10.1091808065.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <000701c47bca$e01b43f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1091807477.5862.139.camel@penguin> <51624.10.10.10.10.1091808065.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1091809784.5862.160.camel@penguin> On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 12:01, Shawn Powers wrote: > Josiah Ritchie said: > > LDAP is a great backend for what you want to do, plus you can use pgina > > to authenticate your XP boxes to it so you'll have one authentication > > database for everything XP and Linux. It might also work for W2000, etc. > > Ya know -- I REALLY wanted to implement LDAP this year, but it's still > above my comprehension. *sigh* Maybe I've been using /etc/passwd and > such for too many years. NIS has worked great for me, (and the pgina_pam > application for windows authentication off the linux accounts) and I don't > understand how to actually administer the LDAP accounts... > > Maybe next year. This year, when I was trying to get LDAP working, I > *did* get authentication to work with the one or two accounts I > painstakingly added by hand -- but I just don't get how to add hundreds of > users to the LDAP database, and have everything (home directories created, > etc) just work. Ironically, the samba integration part, for me, isn't the > big problem. :) > > One of the wonderful things about OpenSource -- I don't HAVE to do either, > I have the choice. :) (but boy do I ever want to get LDAP working -- for > the bonus addressbook if nothing else!) Sounds like you just about had it. I use phpldapadmin to setup a website interface for managing the LDAP db and have been impressed with it. I bet your big problem was just w/ ACLs. At least that was what I had to struggle through (and for that matter still am). As far as converting data in, that I'm not sure I'd be able to help with. I had a small database of students and just decided to have them all reapply as the old db needed cleaning anyway. :-) Our student office is going to handle the actually entry. I was rather surprised to get that, but very happy to not have to personally enter each one in by hand. :-) JSR/ From usernamenumber at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 16:36:28 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 09:36:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Conflicts installing webmin Message-ID: Hi folks, I have a default install of k12ltsp 4.0.1 up and running. However, when I run the get.webmin script it reports the following conflict: Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: foomatic: Conflicts: hpijs (< 1.5) but 1.4-11 is to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). ERROR: something went wrong with 'apt-get install webmin' Aborting :-( Before I force the install is there anything I should know about this? Is anyone else encountering this problem? Thanks, --Brad From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 6 13:26:55 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:26:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Conflicts installing webmin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4113871F.7020006@cfl.rr.com> You should be alright with just getting the RPM from the webmin site and installing it normally by issuing the following command: root#> rpm -Uvh webmin.rpm This installs the latest version and works well with K12LTSP 4.0.1. This is the way I did it and everything works fine on my box, perhaps the script is buggy. Come to think of it, if you're launching the script as a non-root user account, that may also be the reason. One other thing you might try first is log into the machine graphically as root user and double-click on the icon that runs the script. That could be your problem also because a normal user doesn't have administrator priveledges and is not allowed to install webmin. If you're setting up K12LTSP for the first time, I'd make sure you log in as root at least once in the beginning and run all those scripts. There's also a neat tool to push standard icons that you select out to all the users for programs not in the default menu. It's a great tool to alter the default appearance of the desktop. If that doesn't work, I'd try posting more detailed error information on this thread and we can look deeper. Cheers, BC Brad Smith wrote: >Hi folks, > >I have a default install of k12ltsp 4.0.1 up and running. However, >when I run the get.webmin script it reports the following conflict: > >Reading Package Lists... Done >Building Dependency Tree... Done >You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: >The following packages have unmet dependencies: > foomatic: Conflicts: hpijs (< 1.5) but 1.4-11 is to be installed >E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or >specify a solution). > >ERROR: something went wrong with 'apt-get install webmin' >Aborting :-( > >Before I force the install is there anything I should know about this? >Is anyone else encountering this problem? > >Thanks, >--Brad > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 6 17:33:07 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Conflicts installing webmin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52087.10.10.10.10.1091813587.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> > foomatic: Conflicts: hpijs (< 1.5) but 1.4-11 is to be installed I've seen that too on fresh installs -- I just do as suggested (ie, run apt-get -f install) and it removes the offending hp printer drivers... then everything else runs well. Perhaps those hp drivers are important -- but I've never seemed to hurt without 'em. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From usernamenumber at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 17:39:16 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:39:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Conflicts installing webmin In-Reply-To: <4113871F.7020006@cfl.rr.com> References: <4113871F.7020006@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I was logging in as root and using the icon. I'll grab the rpm and see if that works. --Brad On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:26:55 +0000, Brian Chase wrote: > You should be alright with just getting the RPM from the webmin site and > installing it normally by issuing the following command: > > root#> rpm -Uvh webmin.rpm > > This installs the latest version and works well with K12LTSP 4.0.1. > This is the way I did it and everything works fine on my box, perhaps > the script is buggy. > > Come to think of it, if you're launching the script as a non-root user > account, that may also be the reason. One other thing you might try > first is log into the machine graphically as root user and double-click > on the icon that runs the script. That could be your problem also > because a normal user doesn't have administrator priveledges and is not > allowed to install webmin. > > If you're setting up K12LTSP for the first time, I'd make sure you log > in as root at least once in the beginning and run all those scripts. > There's also a neat tool to push standard icons that you select out to > all the users for programs not in the default menu. It's a great tool > to alter the default appearance of the desktop. > > If that doesn't work, I'd try posting more detailed error information on > this thread and we can look deeper. > > Cheers, > > BC > > > > > Brad Smith wrote: > > >Hi folks, > > > >I have a default install of k12ltsp 4.0.1 up and running. However, > >when I run the get.webmin script it reports the following conflict: > > > >Reading Package Lists... Done > >Building Dependency Tree... Done > >You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: > >The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > foomatic: Conflicts: hpijs (< 1.5) but 1.4-11 is to be installed > >E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or > >specify a solution). > > > >ERROR: something went wrong with 'apt-get install webmin' > >Aborting :-( > > > >Before I force the install is there anything I should know about this? > >Is anyone else encountering this problem? > > > >Thanks, > >--Brad > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mross at esd165.org Fri Aug 6 17:53:03 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:53:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 2's i2o Support Message-ID: <200408061053.03788.mross@esd165.org> Greetings. I am attempting to update my k12ltsp server, and I have a new (well, new to me at least) Adaptec AAR-2400A i2o ATA raid card. I intend to use this to have a raid-1 of the system drive. This should also increase performance as the card is a true scsi raid controller. Unfortunetly, there are some problems with getting this card to work with Fedora. There are some instructions on the web on how to manually setup the card. See here: http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/fedora.php But, it appears that the K12LTSP kernel is different than the one avaliable on the CD in the RPM directory. When I try to insmod the i2o_proc.ko driver, dmesg reports that the kernel version mismatch. Is there some place where I can get the kernel used for K12LTSP 4.1 Beta 15? Is it on the CD somewhere and I've just missed it? Thanks.. --Matt From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 6 17:53:42 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:53:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - from ISO to hard disk In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C250@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C250@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <1091814822.5236.110.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 10:08, Doug Gough wrote: > I figured it out. If others are wanting to find a way to boot their thin > clients from a hard drive, I could post my simplistic howto on the wiki. Thanks, but I'm really more interested in a knoppix-style iso to boot PCMCIA and other problematic hardware but still come up without intervention into a thin-client remote X login. I also think a fatter client would sometimes be useful to run the desktop and some local apps if the home directory could automatically be mounted and certain apps could be run remotely. It might take a little magic in the desktop/menu to keep it working between the thin/fat clients, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 6 18:48:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:48:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <000701c47bca$e01b43f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c47bca$e01b43f0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4113D261.10005@paasda.org> Hey Jim... When ya get this going...slip it into the hands of whoever puts out K12ltsp 5.0 will ya =) Often when I read this list I feel that I need to go back to school myself... a lot of stuff just goes WAY over my head in terms of implementation... --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>For real cool admin stuff, collect all your users in a LDAP >>db server (we populated 1100 users in de dbase with al little >>AWK scripting) Give them with apg generated passwords and let >>all servers authenticate to that LDAP server. >> >>Next use pam_mkhomedir module and the aforementioned auto ssh >>keygeneration trick in the x init.d map and your users will >>automatically be setup with there first login. >> >> > >Sounds like this suggestion coupled with the last few would make a great >addition to the How To site of Gavin's! This could really bring >everything together. I wish I knew more about this stuff because I >would love to help. For me central authentication is a big mystery yet, >so I am just running every thing off of a single quad processor box. >But splitting them up would be great. > >My idea that I want to get figured out is to have a central >authentication server running from sort of database backend (mysql >maybe, or LDAP but not sure how to tie to a database), then I could tie >our desktop database for managing students and families right into it. >So I when a new student enters the school and Admissions enters them >into the database, the random alphanumeric password is generated with a >unique username, which updates the server backend automatically, then >all other server receive their updates from the main auth server, home >folders generate with keys and mail accounts automatically setup, the >web portal which is also tied to the auth server would update, and all I >have to do is.....oh yea...nothing :-) > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 6 18:59:42 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:59:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <4113D261.10005@paasda.org> Message-ID: <000f01c47be7$885489c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > a lot of stuff just goes WAY over my head in terms of > implementation... Don't worry, my hair was blowing in the wind just typing that :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 6 20:21:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:21:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Launcher for changing password for terminals HOWTO? Message-ID: <4113E848.90301@paasda.org> right-click desktop 'a' for Create L_a_uncher alt-n(for name) then type: SambaPassword alt-e to run it in a terminal alt-a then type: smbpasswd %username alt-i pick whatever icon you like... then click the OK button and poof =) push new icons to all user's desktops and enjoy! you can sub smbpasswd for the smbldap-passwd also I believe =) don't have the ldap work'n yet to test... but smbpasswd worked fine! %username gets the username from the environment variable --Huck p.s. Gavin...if you wanna beautify this with screenshots and the like and put on your website PLEASE DO =) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 6 21:41:04 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:41:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 Message-ID: <1091828463.2591.12.camel@server.ltsp> I've rolled another K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta including fixes for the few bugs I've found so far. Please give this a spin and lets us know the good, the bad, and the ugly. If all tests out well, and no show-stopping bugs are reported, I'll release this as the official K12LTSP 4.1.0 on Monday. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . The apt/up2date/yum repositories will be updated shortly... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 6 22:25:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:25:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logging into samba/ldap Message-ID: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> I've attached to the domain successfully...using the Administrator account....restarted the machine trying to login with my user 'huck' that I created with smbldap-useradd -m -a huck then smbldap-passwd huck password password smbpasswd huck password password getent passwd huck:x:1001:513:System User:/home/huck:/bin/bash but each time I try and login to the XP machine with the Log on to: MYDOMAIN instead of: Log on to: THIS COMPUTER I get the standard: The system could not log you on. Make sure your User name and domain are correct, then type your password again. Letters in password must be typed using the correct case. the password is all lowercase..and 6 letters... not typo'ing it ... username is correct as well... any ideas? similar experiences? creating new users and trying again fails... perhaps because I'm not using roaming profiles on the XP machines and/or don't have a startup.bat script? --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 6 22:28:47 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:28:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logging into samba/ldap update In-Reply-To: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> References: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4114061F.10200@paasda.org> update:... when I use my workstation that is NOT attached to the domain... and just browse workgroup MYDOMAIN... I can just enter huck password and have access to the samba share...so must be something in the ldap portion eh? --Huck Huck wrote: > I've attached to the domain successfully...using the Administrator > account....restarted the machine > trying to login with my user 'huck' that I created with > > smbldap-useradd -m -a huck > > then smbldap-passwd huck > > password > password > > smbpasswd huck > > password > password > > getent passwd > > huck:x:1001:513:System User:/home/huck:/bin/bash > > > but each time I try and login to the XP machine with the > Log on to: MYDOMAIN > instead of: Log on to: THIS COMPUTER > > I get the standard: The system could not log you on. Make sure your > User name and domain are correct, then type your password again. > Letters in password must be typed using the correct case. > > the password is all lowercase..and 6 letters... > not typo'ing it ... > username is correct as well... > > any ideas? similar experiences? > creating new users and trying again fails... > perhaps because I'm not using roaming profiles on the XP machines > and/or don't have a startup.bat script? > > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 6 22:56:57 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:56:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] logging into samba/ldap update In-Reply-To: <4114061F.10200@paasda.org> References: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> <4114061F.10200@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41140CB9.4010000@paasda.org> further update... in /var/log/samba/log.computer01 rpc_server/srv_pipe_hnd.c:process_request_pdu(605) process_request_pdu: failed to do schannel processing rpc_server/srv_pipe.c:api_pipe_netsec_process(1397) failed to decode PDU... that's the error messages that pop up when I tail -f /var/log/samba/log.computer01 and try to login to the domain via computer01 Any guru's out there or should I hit up the ldap or samba lists? --Huck From bullet at sc.rr.com Fri Aug 6 23:03:47 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 19:03:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drive? In-Reply-To: <4114061F.10200@paasda.org> References: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040806190243.0264a3f0@pop-server.sc.rr.com> Hi: Any ideas on how to get a USB Flash Drive to work under Fedora Core? -Tom -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/29/2004 From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Aug 6 23:38:15 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:38:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] The Wiki Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040806163656.01ba8c60@pop.easystreet.com> Where is this wiki that people speak of? I'm having insane trouble getting audio to work, and my entreaties to the list go unanswered. I'm hoping, perhaps, the wiki will provide illumination? Thanks, ck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 00:14:27 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] logging into samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> References: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> Message-ID: Two things....check your smb.conf file and make sure that the interface is correct....ie: eth0 or eth1 Next try net groupmap list Let us know your findings....when I had trouble with this it was due to my groupmaps not working....also are you using the latest how to I posted a day or two ago? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 00:14:27 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] logging into samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> References: <41140566.4010300@paasda.org> Message-ID: Two things....check your smb.conf file and make sure that the interface is correct....ie: eth0 or eth1 Next try net groupmap list Let us know your findings....when I had trouble with this it was due to my groupmaps not working....also are you using the latest how to I posted a day or two ago? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 00:22:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:22:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound not working in either 4.01 or 4.1beta Message-ID: Ok...things are progressing....but as alway (it seems) when I toss in a new version I cannot get sound to work. I have generic onboard sound cards that worked in 3.12 using nasd or esd. I was using nasd...in fact my old lts.conf sound globals were SOUND_DAEMON = nasd SOUND = Y VOLUME = 110 SMODULE_01 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 My current (using 4.01...installed a few mins ago) is the following...the only difference is the quotes....could that do it? # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 100 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Any help appreciated...I need to get this working in either 4.01 or 4.1.....I'm able to go either way as I'm not committed yet....still can install one or the other. I've tried both with the same results. Please help ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dalen at czexan.net Sat Aug 7 00:17:52 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 19:17:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] beta17 md5sum correct? Message-ID: <41141FB0.8050905@czexan.net> I renamed the old beta iso files as beta17 and then ran rsync. Now cat MD5SUM shows... 962be7c1319f761a2b032c44b428c651 K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc1.iso aec18b9194d10ae1a9d75cce727b9d6a K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc2.iso 33a3057a6d3d99d966357b1ce58710f8 K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc3.iso 0bbaa0235707848f1bcea6ad87943f5c K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc4.iso while... [root at tux beta]# md5sum *.iso 8f1d3ca86e839c0260c2b9d954a7d5f8 K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc1.iso c903a97d1b62deae5a83d14ab647f684 K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc2.iso 4667c6ea582b66297dc56d012127add3 K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc3.iso 82f39700e1b18e9ed1d49b735a80b9ac K12LTSP-4.1.0-beta17-disc4.iso Can someone check the md5sum file and verify it is correct? Thanks, Dale From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 00:26:48 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:26:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow log off....hangs Message-ID: Hi guys.... One more thing I've noticed with 4.01 and 4.1beta......I'm upgrading from 3.12 (new install).....everything works (except sound...see my other post)...except I have some instances of hanging log offs.....if I leave it for about 2 or 3 mins it'll eventually die and log off. Of course CTRL-ALT-Backspace does the job, but I'd like to address this. Any ideas? Happens in both versions...FC1 and FC2. On both the server and terminals. Basically if in Gnome...(will be using IceWM once I get things configured)....I click to log off...screen goes shaded...I select log off....then the screen brightens and nothing happens, but nor can I click on anything either. Seems like the session hangs. Any ideas? I want to resolve this before I put into production. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From rfreidel at computergeex.com Sat Aug 7 00:19:06 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 00:19:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (beta)... networking woes Message-ID: <20040806.mQ4.02872700@192.168.10.16> Here I am scheduled to upgrade two older K12LTSP servers next week, then I discover that a new release is scheduled for next week as well. So I have been attempting to get the first beta of 4.10 going and connecting a thin client that worked well with K12LTSP 4.0.1-1 on the same server. here is the output of /var/log/messages while trying to connect... Aug 6 17:45:34 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:63:c8:4c:a0 via eth0 Aug 6 17:45:34 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to 00:40:63:c8:4c:a0 via eth0 Looks like it should be assigned an ip and all should be well, but its not happening, the thin client eventually times out. Here's some output of tcpdump while the connection takes place.... Client Ethernet Address: 00:40:63:c8:4c:a0 [|bootp] 17:45:42.852750 IP (tos 0x10, ttl 16, id 0, offset 0, flags [none], proto 17, length: 338) server.ltsp.bootps > 255.255.255.255.bootpc: BOOTP/DHCP, Reply, length: 310, xid:0x67c84ca0, secs:18, flags: [Broadcast] (0x8000) Your IP: ws253.ltsp Server IP: server.ltsp Client Ethernet Address: 00:40:63:c8:4c:a0 [|bootp] I am concerned about 'Your IP: ws253.ltsp' shouldn't that be an actual ip instead of a host name? At first I was using a cross over cable between the thin client/server, thought maybe I had a bad cable, replaced that, then went and pulled out a brand new Dell managed switch, then tried a little Netgear switch, all results the same. Oh yeah, tried using different nic's in the server as well. Anyone have any idea's as to what could be wrong here? I don't want to install an old release on these two servers next week, but might if thats all I can get working. One thing I will do is to try downloading todays iso's, then try installing them tomorrow, just to see if I have any better luck. I suppose it's possib;e that the thin client had died, I have not tried using an old pc as a thin client using a boot floppy, but I think I'll put that off till tomorrow, its been a long day as it is. Sorry this email is so long, but it has been a frustrating afternoon, the first time I tried LSTP with the same equipment I didn't have any difficulty at all. I just hope someone might have an idea as to what could be wrong here, its probably one line that is incorrect in one script, but I just can't see it tonight. Later Ron From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 00:40:17 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:40:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound not working in either 4.01 or 4.1beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok...sometimes I'm an idiot. Sound works in 4.01 in IceWm (this is good...I could care less about Gnome and KDE in a thin client environment)....I also discovered that turning up the headphones works too! I will try 4.1 beta tomorrow or Sunday. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 7 00:33:37 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] beta17 md5sum correct? In-Reply-To: <41141FB0.8050905@czexan.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Dale Sykora wrote: >Can someone check the md5sum file and verify it is correct? The md5sum verifies on the server. Try "touching" the files and re-running rsync: touch K12LTSP*.iso rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . -Eric From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 00:40:17 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:40:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound not working in either 4.01 or 4.1beta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok...sometimes I'm an idiot. Sound works in 4.01 in IceWm (this is good...I could care less about Gnome and KDE in a thin client environment)....I also discovered that turning up the headphones works too! I will try 4.1 beta tomorrow or Sunday. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 7 00:35:05 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound not working in either 4.01 or 4.1beta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, David Trask wrote: >Ok...things are progressing....but as alway (it seems) when I toss in a >new version I cannot get sound to work. I have generic onboard sound >cards that worked in 3.12 using nasd or esd. I was using nasd...in fact >my old lts.conf sound globals were > >SOUND_DAEMON = nasd >SOUND = Y >VOLUME = 110 > >SMODULE_01 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 > > >My current (using 4.01...installed a few mins ago) is the following...the >only difference is the quotes....could that do it? You need the quotes: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 7 00:39:55 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] The Wiki In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040806163656.01ba8c60@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Carl Keil wrote: >Where is this wiki that people speak of? >I'm having insane trouble getting audio to work, and my entreaties to the >list go unanswered. I'm hoping, perhaps, the wiki will provide illumination? The wiki is at: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ -Eric From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Aug 7 00:40:11 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 19:40:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <411424EB.6030300@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I'm quite new to the whole Linux scene, but I've been playing around with a "training wheels" server I set up in my office for a month or so now. I've got students coming back to school in a week, and I have my "real" server, all shiny and new, sitting on my desk waiting to be set up. One of the things I haven't been able to get going yet, though, is fully integrating my K12LTSP server into my Windows NT domain. At one point I did manage to login with DOMAIN+USERNAME and PASSWORD, but then I got some error message about not having a "home" directory available. (Sorry, I don't remember the exact message.) So, I have two questions (well, actually about 200, but I'll stick with these two for now). Is there a way to set the server up so that I don't need to preface the user name with the name of the NT domain? i.e. make the terminal login "feel" just like the NT login? And, is there a way to get my users "home" directories to map to their existing NT shares? I've read something about pam_mount, but I never found a tutorial that I could understand to make it work. Does anyone have config files (preferably heavily commented for a novice like myself) that I could just drop into my system and get this going? Does it even work that way? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot." -- Clarence Thomas From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 7 00:43:59 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drive? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040806190243.0264a3f0@pop-server.sc.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Tom Simpson wrote: > > >Hi: > >Any ideas on how to get a USB Flash Drive to work under Fedora Core? > >-Tom Being a command-line sorta guy, here's how I do it... 1) insert the USB flash drive 2) tail /var/log/messages, see what the device name is, usually /dev/sda 3) mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ I've seen a hardware-browsing tool used to show what the device name is, but it takes me longer to look for that than to just tail the log ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 7 00:45:26 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Slow log off....hangs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, David Trask wrote: >Hi guys.... > >One more thing I've noticed with 4.01 and 4.1beta......I'm upgrading from >3.12 (new install).....everything works (except sound...see my other >post)...except I have some instances of hanging log offs.....if I leave it >for about 2 or 3 mins it'll eventually die and log off. Of course >CTRL-ALT-Backspace does the job, but I'd like to address this. Any ideas? > Happens in both versions...FC1 and FC2. On both the server and >terminals. Basically if in Gnome...(will be using IceWM once I get things >configured)....I click to log off...screen goes shaded...I select log >off....then the screen brightens and nothing happens, but nor can I click >on anything either. Seems like the session hangs. Any ideas? I want to >resolve this before I put into production. I wonder if this is an upgrade issue? I'll try to test it out tomorrow. Have you tried to use the "Reset desktop" session and then see if the user still has slow logouts? -Eric From jritchie at bible.edu Sat Aug 7 00:55:01 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:55:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41142865.6090807@bible.edu> Eric Harrison wrote: > Being a command-line sorta guy, here's how I do it... > > 1) insert the USB flash drive > 2) tail /var/log/messages, see what the device name is, usually /dev/sda > 3) mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ I like to setup the drive in /etc/fstab so all I have to do in the future is mount /mnt/usb The sytax is rather obvious. You'll need msdos as the filesystem I believe and noauto,users as the options IIRC. JSR/ From jritchie at bible.edu Sat Aug 7 01:00:43 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:00:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients In-Reply-To: <411424EB.6030300@honeygroveisd.net> References: <411424EB.6030300@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <411429BB.708@bible.edu> I'm really supposed to be studying for my CCNA exam Mon... but as a quick answer you'll want to use security = domain, and the server entry to go with it, in the smb.conf file. This will point requests to your NT domain server. Are you talking about windows boxes mounting user directories from the K12LTSP server? If so, that's a logon script thing. I think you have to create a share called netshare, place a batch script in there and do some other things. That's mostly directions to start looking for now. Not real clear though cause I should be studying... :-) JSR/ Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm quite new to the whole Linux scene, but I've been playing around > with a "training wheels" server I set up in my office for a month or so > now. I've got students coming back to school in a week, and I have my > "real" server, all shiny and new, sitting on my desk waiting to be set > up. One of the things I haven't been able to get going yet, though, is > fully integrating my K12LTSP server into my Windows NT domain. At one > point I did manage to login with DOMAIN+USERNAME and PASSWORD, but then > I got some error message about not having a "home" directory available. > (Sorry, I don't remember the exact message.) So, I have two questions > (well, actually about 200, but I'll stick with these two for now). Is > there a way to set the server up so that I don't need to preface the > user name with the name of the NT domain? i.e. make the terminal login > "feel" just like the NT login? And, is there a way to get my users > "home" directories to map to their existing NT shares? I've read > something about pam_mount, but I never found a tutorial that I could > understand to make it work. Does anyone have config files (preferably > heavily commented for a novice like myself) that I could just drop into > my system and get this going? Does it even work that way? Any help > would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 01:09:30 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:09:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow log off....hangs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I wonder if this is an upgrade issue? I'll try to test it out tomorrow. > >Have you tried to use the "Reset desktop" session and then see if the >user still has slow logouts? > >-Eric I did a fresh install....not an upgrade. It does it for root as well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dalen at czexan.net Sat Aug 7 01:08:43 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:08:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] beta17 md5sum correct? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41142B9B.9000300@czexan.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Dale Sykora wrote: > > >>Can someone check the md5sum file and verify it is correct? > > > The md5sum verifies on the server. > > Try "touching" the files and re-running rsync: > > touch K12LTSP*.iso > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > -Eric Eric, Touching the file had no effect, but my rsync script had -auv arguments instead of -Pav. When I changed to -Pav it seemed to update as expected. Thanks, Dale From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Aug 7 01:09:03 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:09:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <41142BAF.7000500@honeygroveisd.net> > I'm really supposed to be studying for my CCNA exam Mon... but as a > quick answer you'll want to use security = domain, and the server > entry to go with it, in the smb.conf file. This will point requests to > your NT domain server. > > Are you talking about windows boxes mounting user directories from the > K12LTSP server? If so, that's a logon script thing. I think you have > to create a share called netshare, place a batch script in there and > do some other things. > > That's mostly directions to start looking for now. Not real clear > though cause I should be studying... :-) > > JSR/ No, I want for my students to be able to log onto the thin clients using their existing NT user accounts, and for their home directories to be redirected back to the NT server. Is that clear? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "We may affirm absolutely that nothing great in the world has ever been accomplished without passion." -- Hegel From jritchie at bible.edu Sat Aug 7 01:29:43 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:29:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients In-Reply-To: <41142BAF.7000500@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41142BAF.7000500@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41143087.50008@bible.edu> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> I'm really supposed to be studying for my CCNA exam Mon... but as a >> quick answer you'll want to use security = domain, and the server >> entry to go with it, in the smb.conf file. This will point requests to >> your NT domain server. >> >> Are you talking about windows boxes mounting user directories from the >> K12LTSP server? If so, that's a logon script thing. I think you have >> to create a share called netshare, place a batch script in there and >> do some other things. >> >> That's mostly directions to start looking for now. Not real clear >> though cause I should be studying... :-) >> >> JSR/ > > > > No, I want for my students to be able to log onto the thin clients > using their existing NT user accounts, and for their home directories to > be redirected back to the NT server. Is that clear? Where are the home directories coming from? I think I'm now understanding that they are coming from the NT Server. I'm going to guess that should be possible, but I'd highly recommend making yourself another SAMBA file server, sharing the users directories to the LTSP server via NFS and then you'd be done. This is the standard method of going about it. I'm going to guess with all those SMB drives mapped to the LTSP server things could get messy. You'd probably also want to make sure that a cron job killed them off after a period of inactivity or something if you make it happen. Setting up a seperate SAMBA/NFS file server doesn't take much work if you have the hardware and would be worth it. Backups could be easily performed to the current Domain/File Server nightly. If all else fails, you can teach the kids to use the smbmount command and mount the SMB share from the file server to a directory in their Linux directory. That's pretty easy really and could even be scripted. One thing to remember if you mount their home directories as their home directories in Linux, when they open them in Windows they'll have stacks of the .file and .directories that don't show up in Linux holding their settings together. JSR/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Aug 7 01:43:27 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:43:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <411433BF.7050803@honeygroveisd.net> > > > I'm really supposed to be studying for my CCNA exam Mon... but > as a quick answer you'll want to use security = domain, and > the server entry to go with it, in the smb.conf file. This > will point requests to your NT domain server. > > Are you talking about windows boxes mounting user directories > from the K12LTSP server? If so, that's a logon script thing. I > think you have to create a share called netshare, place a > batch script in there and do some other things. > > That's mostly directions to start looking for now. Not real > clear though cause I should be studying... :-) > > JSR/ > > > > > No, I want for my students to be able to log onto the thin clients > using their existing NT user accounts, and for their home > directories to be redirected back to the NT server. Is that clear? > > > Where are the home directories coming from? I think I'm now > understanding that they are coming from the NT Server. I'm going to > guess that should be possible, but I'd highly recommend making > yourself another SAMBA file server, sharing the users directories to > the LTSP server via NFS and then you'd be done. This is the standard > method of going about it. I'm going to guess with all those SMB drives > mapped to the LTSP server things could get messy. You'd probably also > want to make sure that a cron job killed them off after a period of > inactivity or something if you make it happen. > > Setting up a seperate SAMBA/NFS file server doesn't take much work if > you have the hardware and would be worth it. Backups could be easily > performed to the current Domain/File Server nightly. > > If all else fails, you can teach the kids to use the smbmount command > and mount the SMB share from the file server to a directory in their > Linux directory. That's pretty easy really and could even be scripted. > > One thing to remember if you mount their home directories as their > home directories in Linux, when they open them in Windows they'll have > stacks of the .file and .directories that don't show up in Linux > holding their settings together. > > JSR/ Ok, maybe it would help if I described my current situation in a bit more detail. I have about 500 WinNT/2K/XP clients accessing a well-established NT domain. All 800+ users have accounts on the domain and user shares distributed by campus (all Elementary users are on one server, Middle School on another, etc.) I'm wanting to set up one thin-client lab at the High School as sort of a "proof of concept" for the upper administration. The logon process has to be as seamless as possible, or the teachers will get frustrated (I'm not worried about the kids) and the whole project will be scrapped. So, I need for the users to be able to sit down at a terminal, enter their user name and password, and have ready access to their files. I'm pretty sure from what I've read that this can be done, but I just haven't been able to get my Microsoft-indoctrinated head around the process, and time is running out on me. C-ya, Mark ____ "We may affirm absolutely that nothing great in the world has ever been accomplished without passion." -- Hegel From jritchie at bible.edu Sat Aug 7 01:58:22 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:58:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients In-Reply-To: <411433BF.7050803@honeygroveisd.net> References: <411433BF.7050803@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4114373E.6020207@bible.edu> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Ok, maybe it would help if I described my current situation in a bit > more detail. I have about 500 WinNT/2K/XP clients accessing a > well-established NT domain. All 800+ users have accounts on the domain > and user shares distributed by campus (all Elementary users are on one > server, Middle School on another, etc.) I'm wanting to set up one > thin-client lab at the High School as sort of a "proof of concept" for > the upper administration. The logon process has to be as seamless as > possible, or the teachers will get frustrated (I'm not worried about the > kids) and the whole project will be scrapped. So, I need for the users > to be able to sit down at a terminal, enter their user name and > password, and have ready access to their files. I'm pretty sure from > what I've read that this can be done, but I just haven't been able to > get my Microsoft-indoctrinated head around the process, and time is > running out on me. Ah, that's bigger than I was picturing and obviously you can't move stuff around as I was suggesting. I'm not familiar enough with what you're doing to provide the steps you need. I'm sure someone else around here can help, but they might not check the list until Mon. when they get back to work. Looking just at the config, this page might help out. Problem is it's in Italian, except the configs, and I don't know Italian. http://homes.stat.unipd.it/mmzz/Papers/NewVserver/samba3.html JSR/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Aug 7 02:07:34 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:07:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <41143966.10600@honeygroveisd.net> > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Ok, maybe it would help if I described my current situation in a > bit more detail. I have about 500 WinNT/2K/XP clients accessing a > well-established NT domain. All 800+ users have accounts on the > domain and user shares distributed by campus (all Elementary users > are on one server, Middle School on another, etc.) I'm wanting to > set up one thin-client lab at the High School as sort of a "proof > of concept" for the upper administration. The logon process has to > be as seamless as possible, or the teachers will get frustrated > (I'm not worried about the kids) and the whole project will be > scrapped. So, I need for the users to be able to sit down at a > terminal, enter their user name and password, and have ready > access to their files. I'm pretty sure from what I've read that > this can be done, but I just haven't been able to get my > Microsoft-indoctrinated head around the process, and time is > running out on me. > > > Ah, that's bigger than I was picturing and obviously you can't move > stuff around as I was suggesting. I'm not familiar enough with what > you're doing to provide the steps you need. I'm sure someone else > around here can help, but they might not check the list until Mon. > when they get back to work. > > Looking just at the config, this page might help out. Problem is it's > in Italian, except the configs, and I don't know Italian. > http://homes.stat.unipd.it/mmzz/Papers/NewVserver/samba3.html > > JSR/ Thanks for your input. Now go study! ;) -- C-ya, Mark ____ "I always prefer to believe the best of everybody ? it saves so much trouble." -- Rudyard Kipling From jritchie at bible.edu Sat Aug 7 02:27:27 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 22:27:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients In-Reply-To: <41143966.10600@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41143966.10600@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41143E0F.8050806@bible.edu> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Thanks for your input. Now go study! ;) :-) *grumble* From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 7 04:34:50 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 00:34:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A very good day at VCS Message-ID: Phew! After days of sweating it out I finally crested the mountain. Now it's grunt work from here on in. After 2 weeks of vacation I came back with the intent to get my servers all redone and up and running. Two days of no internet (outside the building) and so forth really set me back. In addition to that...a teacher who decided to hook up her own computers....never undid the rats nest of wire and simply plugged in two ends.....after much pulling my hair out and finally going to the network closet and saying "to hell with it" we pulled every single wire out....replaced a couple switches (new ones I had been meaning to install anyway) and rewired the entire network closet. In that process we found the "loop". This teacher had plugged in two ends of the same cord...thus creating a loop and a heckuva' lot of network traffic. Anyway....once that was solved....things started to ge well. Here's what I've done. Last year I had a Windows network (10.0.x.x) and a K12LTSP network (192.168.0.x). This worked fine and I was able to tie the networks together with an IP alias for the purpose of the Windows machine authenticating to the domain controller on the other subnet. Anyway....Terrel Prude had posted a good how-to a few months back on how to use a differnt DHCP server with K12LTSP. At first I wanted to use it with my SME server which was serving my DHCP, but SME is very difficult to wrestle to do what you want sometimes...in this case add specific options to dhcpd.conf. I was able to add some, but the section for the images would not go. So I had another server kicking around not doing anything so I loaded Fedora Core 1 using the K12LTSP discs for 4.01. I installed the k12ltsp version of dhcpd.conf so I would have all of the necessary options already. I then took the already generated static IP's from the dhcpd.conf file on my SME server...added them to the the file on the new server. (This incidentally is an easy way to generate this file if you have a lot of entries. I do for all of my printers and airports...use Abe Loveless's batch-hosts script at www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/loveless).... I now have my K12LTSP server, Samba-LDAP server, a new DHCP server, my SME server (proxy, firewall, internet filter), a SME server for backups and staff FTP access to files.....etc. ALL ON THE SAME NETWORK! YAY! Now...in my building no matter where you sit....you can log into Linux or Windows...access your profile....etc. My next step (as soon as the software arrives) is to set up a Windows 2003 terminal server so my users will simply be able to click an icon from within Linux (on their very inexpensive THIN client mind you!) and work with Windows apps or an entire Windows desktop....VERY COOL! Works well...I 've tried it with Win2K terminal server. Anyway....I'm off to Exeter NH for a week to teach a linux class and help set up a Linux Charter School....Weee! Hope everyone is having a good summer. Now it's all grunt work....putting machines back and imaging them....(When I get back....THEN...I'll think about doing the laptops) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From raven_512 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 7 06:08:23 2004 From: raven_512 at hotmail.com (Noel Corbett) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:08:23 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 31 Message-ID: I've got the same issue on 4.01 seems to happen sometimes but not always usually when i've been on longer doing this with OpenOffice etc. Cheers Noel >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:45:26 -0700 (PDT) >From: Eric Harrison >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Slow log off....hangs >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, David Trask wrote: > > >Hi guys.... > > > >One more thing I've noticed with 4.01 and 4.1beta......I'm upgrading from > >3.12 (new install).....everything works (except sound...see my other > >post)...except I have some instances of hanging log offs.....if I leave >it > >for about 2 or 3 mins it'll eventually die and log off. Of course > >CTRL-ALT-Backspace does the job, but I'd like to address this. Any >ideas? > > Happens in both versions...FC1 and FC2. On both the server and > >terminals. Basically if in Gnome...(will be using IceWM once I get >things > >configured)....I click to log off...screen goes shaded...I select log > >off....then the screen brightens and nothing happens, but nor can I click > >on anything either. Seems like the session hangs. Any ideas? I want to > >resolve this before I put into production. > >I wonder if this is an upgrade issue? I'll try to test it out tomorrow. > >Have you tried to use the "Reset desktop" session and then see if the >user still has slow logouts? > >-Eric > _________________________________________________________________ Surf the net and talk on the phone with Xtra JetStream @ http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream From I.Derks at translucent.nl Sat Aug 7 09:24:38 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:24:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <000f01c47be7$885489c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c47be7$885489c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1091870678.2872.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 20:59, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > a lot of stuff just goes WAY over my head in terms of > > implementation... > > Don't worry, my hair was blowing in the wind just typing that :-) Okay, when we're finished getting this 5 node terminal server baby (1100 pupils with 80 thin clients) rolling in the school we'll put some documentation online. Dunno about precize HOWTO's but I'll see what we can do. Our LDAP implementation goes way further then just central authentication and addressbook. It also takes care of the complete postfix MD5SUM-DIGEST/SASL secure authentication with courier/imap/squirllmail/spamd/antivirus/ldap replication for all to use in- and external. It should be unbreakable and is being under severe crackers attack at the moment to test things out. As a frontend gateway firewall we use smoothwall with the guardian module added for web/content filtering as wel as the DMZ setup. We hoped that the secure terminal session (X11 over SSH) would be finished in 4.1 but unfortunately is needs more work. I guess when that comes around (K12)LTSP get really serious in terms of security aswell, something that is really needed in school environments. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 6127702 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Aug 7 12:39:12 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:39:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <200408071249.i77CnBT04038@downeast.net> i use winbind to authenticate seamlessly to win2000 domain from ltsp with oh 1000 users or so....the pam_mkhomedir section in pam.d/system-auth creates a local home directory by rights you sjould be ablt to use pam_mount to mount a users win2000 directory as well..i have never gotten it to work...so i use a stupid little script that prompts for name and pw and then smbmounts the win2000 directory....i can ship you my scripts if it helps...just practice your linux rescue techniques and make backup copies of pam.d files..chuck there is also something called pam_smb which authenticates by attempting an smbmount based on users input at login ..i didn't play much wwith it --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From andyr at wizzy.com Sat Aug 7 14:40:49 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:40:49 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] A very good day at VCS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040807144049.GB21241@wizzy.com> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004, David Trask wrote: > Now...in my building no matter where you sit....you can log into Linux or > Windows...access your profile....etc. I am very excited by (K12)LTSP 4.1. This is not just a distribution, it is a distribution easily deployable to an enterprise, after the holidays :-) I want to hear about local devices, and (later) local apps. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Sat Aug 7 15:19:31 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:19:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Launcher for changing password for terminals HOWTO? References: <4113E848.90301@paasda.org> Message-ID: <005b01c47c91$f05faa40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Huck... > p.s. Gavin...if you wanna beautify this with screenshots and the like > and put on your website PLEASE DO =) Thanx Huck, How could you tell I was going to ask ? This one should be easy to tern into a HOWTO 'My Style ;-)' If anyone has any more HOWTOz please eMail me & ill do my best to put them up where everyone can get @ them... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Aug 7 15:39:40 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:39:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <4114F7BC.4050507@honeygroveisd.net> > > >i use winbind to authenticate seamlessly to win2000 domain from ltsp with >oh 1000 users or so....the pam_mkhomedir section in pam.d/system-auth >creates a local home directory > >by rights you sjould be ablt to use pam_mount to mount a users win2000 >directory as well..i have never gotten it to work...so i use a stupid >little script that prompts for name and pw and then smbmounts the win2000 >directory....i can ship you my scripts if it helps...just practice your >linux rescue techniques and make backup copies of pam.d files..chuck > >there is also something called pam_smb which authenticates by attempting an >smbmount based on users input at login ..i didn't play much wwith it > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > I would be interested in your scripts, and anything else you have to offer. Ideally, I want to actually *learn* this stuff, but for now I may have to settle for "It works....I have no idea how, but it works." Thanks. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "What this country needs are more unemployed politicians." -- Edward Langley From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 7 15:53:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:53:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients In-Reply-To: <200408071249.i77CnBT04038@downeast.net> References: <200408071249.i77CnBT04038@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1091894013.4305.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 07:39, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > there is also something called pam_smb which authenticates by attempting an > smbmount based on users input at login ..i didn't play much wwith it Pam_smb just authenticates against a windows domain. It doesn't create users or homes or mount anything. If you create local users (which you can do in batch mode if you have a list of names) it might work as well. It just saves the trouble of maintaining another password for each user that is already in the domain. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Aug 7 17:39:48 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:39:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <200408071749.i77HnkT27341@downeast.net> thi si in rc.local so services start upin order #!/bin/sh smbpasswd -j ELLSWORTH -r DC2 -U administrator%NTpassword service smb start service winbind start touch /var/lock/subsys/local chmod 744 /etc/samba/smb.conf this is in nsswitch.conf so at low level redhat looksforauth in right places passwd: files winbind nisplus shadow: files winbind nisplus group: files winbind nisplus This is pam.d/system-auth so pam module does authentication auth required /lib/security/pam_env.so ######working til this added #auth required /lib/security/pam_mount.so ##################################### auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so use_first_pass auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= password sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0022 session required /lib/security/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so #killsitsession required /lib/security/pam_mount.so use_first_pass this is smb.conf or at least relevant piece of it [global] log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log passwd chat = *New*password*Dude* %n/n *Retype*new*passord* 5n/n *passwd:*all*authentication*tokens*updated* passwd program=/usr/bin/passwd %u load printers = yes smb passwd file = /etc/samba/smbpasswd socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 wins server = 10.10.0.3 encrypt passwords = yes dns proxy = No netbios name = Eagle1 server string = Samba Server writable = no #browseable = no local master = No remote announce = 10.10.255.255 workgroup = ELLSWORTH os level = 33 security = domain ######################Winbind obey pam restrictions = yes security = domain #winbind Separator = + winbind uid = 10000-20000 winbind gid = 10000-20000 winbind enum users = yes winbind enum groups = yes winbind use default domain = yes template homedir = /home/%U template shell = /bin/bash smbpasswd file =/etc/samba/smbpasswd name resolve order = hosts wins lmhosts bcast password server = * unix password sync = yes create mode=700 directory mode=700 John Terpstra has good chapter on it in Officiasl Samba-3 handbook..these files are from samba 2.2.8. Hope this gives you a start..probablyi forgot something..i uisually do 8~) --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Aug 7 18:16:25 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:16:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Setup a Simple Application Server - PART V In-Reply-To: <1091870678.2872.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <000f01c47be7$885489c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1091870678.2872.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040807181555.M33472@winonacotter.org> > Dunno about precize HOWTO's but I'll see what > we can do. I'll be eagerly awaiting your post :-) From luis.montes at cox.net Mon Aug 9 02:22:05 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:22:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: <1091828463.2591.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1091828463.2591.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4116DFCD.8000407@cox.net> Beta17 installed nicely on a 1U Dell dual 2.8 Xeon with 4GB ram. 2 Small glitches, not showstoppers by any means. Icewm was missing some icons, and the "Get Java", "Get Flash", etc. things didn't work. Looking forward to the final release. Thanks for all your hard work, Eric! Luis Eric Harrison wrote: >I've rolled another K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta including fixes for the few bugs >I've found so far. > >Please give this a spin and lets us know the good, the bad, and the >ugly. > >If all tests out well, and no show-stopping bugs are reported, I'll >release this as the official K12LTSP 4.1.0 on Monday. > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > >The apt/up2date/yum repositories will be updated shortly... > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 9 06:23:16 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: <4116DFCD.8000407@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Luis Montes wrote: >Beta17 installed nicely on a 1U Dell dual 2.8 Xeon with 4GB ram. > >2 Small glitches, not showstoppers by any means. > >Icewm was missing some icons, and the "Get Java", "Get Flash", etc. >things didn't work. IceWM looks good on my laptop. I'll take a look at a fresh install when I get to work in the morning. "Get Java", "Get Flash", etc have all been working fine for me. I've tested it many times. Can you try it again, and if it fails post the exact error you are seeing? >Looking forward to the final release. >Thanks for all your hard work, Eric! Thanks for the feedback Luis, I greatly appreciate it! It is VERY, VERY IMPORTANT for those who try beta software to provide feedback! -Eric From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Mon Aug 9 09:23:32 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:23:32 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP & Colour lasers References: Message-ID: <00e601c47df2$8c6da4d0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Althoug not a true LTSP problem, we have a Konica-Minolta colour laser printer. I have setup 2 queues; one for colour and one for black and white. I use postscript driver and on the black and white printer (hosted by Windows) I clear the colour option. However, it still wants to print in colour on ltsp. Any ideas? Kind Regards From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Mon Aug 9 09:27:22 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:27:22 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients References: <200408071249.i77CnBT04038@downeast.net> Message-ID: <00fc01c47df3$131eb140$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> I am using Windows Services for Unix 3.5 (I know I am using the dark side but politically have no choice). It works very well to auth and provide home files to linux users. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients > i use winbind to authenticate seamlessly to win2000 domain from ltsp with > oh 1000 users or so....the pam_mkhomedir section in pam.d/system-auth > creates a local home directory > > by rights you sjould be ablt to use pam_mount to mount a users win2000 > directory as well..i have never gotten it to work...so i use a stupid > little script that prompts for name and pw and then smbmounts the win2000 > directory....i can ship you my scripts if it helps...just practice your > linux rescue techniques and make backup copies of pam.d files..chuck > > there is also something called pam_smb which authenticates by attempting an > smbmount based on users input at login ..i didn't play much wwith it > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From shawn at techcoms.net Mon Aug 9 11:05:28 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:05:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help the last couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> I would like a copy . Im looking at creating a kiosk from our front office . I switched all my users to firefox about a month ago and love it... Tim Litwiller wrote: > I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes > away the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the > user change browser settings. > > We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card > catalog web application that runs on another server. > > If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a > copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be > downloaded. > > I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip > address in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the > wiki that Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > . > From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Mon Aug 9 11:09:15 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:09:15 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help thelast couple of weeks! References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> I would like a copy too please ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Henderson" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help thelast couple of weeks! > I would like a copy . Im looking at creating a kiosk from our front > office . I switched all my users to firefox about a month ago and love it... > > Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes > > away the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the > > user change browser settings. > > > > We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card > > catalog web application that runs on another server. > > > > If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a > > copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be > > downloaded. > > > > I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip > > address in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the > > wiki that Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > . > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Mon Aug 9 11:39:18 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:39:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help thelast couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 09 Aug 2004 12:09, John Simovic wrote: > I would like a copy too please Me too. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shawn Henderson" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help > thelast couple of weeks! > > > I would like a copy . Im looking at creating a kiosk from our front > > office . I switched all my users to firefox about a month ago and love > > it... > > > Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes > > > away the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the > > > user change browser settings. > > > > > > We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card > > > catalog web application that runs on another server. > > > > > > If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a > > > copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be > > > downloaded. > > > > > > I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip > > > address in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the > > > wiki that Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 587369 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBF2JmeWseh9tzvqgRAjlwAJ9hRFt8FVYNOyWMsRP8Nl4gGhww4gCeNTxE Rkr5lMxsKqewZF9A/LE8gd8= =g7/s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From I.Derks at translucent.nl Mon Aug 9 12:17:03 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:17:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092053822.3764.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 08:23, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Luis Montes wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback Luis, I greatly appreciate it! It is VERY, VERY > IMPORTANT for those who try beta software to provide feedback! Checking Tftpd....Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/sbin/ltspcfg line 836. Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/sbin/ltspcfg line 837. while running ltspcfg from your latest package. Regards Immanuel > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 6127702 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 9 08:24:09 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:24:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411734A9.60302@cfl.rr.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From administrator at maginetworks.com Mon Aug 9 12:33:05 2004 From: administrator at maginetworks.com (Magi Networks) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:33:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help thelast couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> Gavin Henry wrote: >>I would like a copy too please > > Me too. Me, too, please :) J. Theriault administrator at maginetworks.com From jam at mcquil.com Mon Aug 9 12:39:05 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: <1092053822.3764.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Immanuel, This problem is caused by an entry in the /etc/xinetd.d/tftp file. on k12ltsp, it shows: # disable = yes but it should be: disable = no ltspcfg can't handle the fact that the line is commented out. I need to fix ltspcfg, but in the meantime, changing /etc/xinetd.d/tftp as I showed above, that should clear it up. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Immanuel Derks wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 08:23, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Luis Montes wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the feedback Luis, I greatly appreciate it! It is VERY, VERY > > IMPORTANT for those who try beta software to provide feedback! > > Checking Tftpd....Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/sbin/ltspcfg line 836. > Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/sbin/ltspcfg line 837. > > while running ltspcfg from your latest package. > > Regards Immanuel > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > From thepiano at pandora.be Mon Aug 9 12:46:20 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:46:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help thelast couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> Message-ID: <1D3612C0-EA02-11D8-9F17-003065521B98@pandora.be> me too please :-) Kevin On 09 Aug 2004, at 14:33, Magi Networks wrote: > > > Gavin Henry wrote: >>> I would like a copy too please >> Me too. > > Me, too, please :) > > > > J. Theriault > administrator at maginetworks.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From tim at litwiller.net Mon Aug 9 12:53:22 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:53:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help the last couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <411773C2.30904@litwiller.net> I have posted a short "how-to/what I did and why" and the browser.jar file here http://www.litwiller.net From I.Derks at translucent.nl Mon Aug 9 12:53:45 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:53:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092056025.3764.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 14:39, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Immanuel, > > This problem is caused by an entry in the /etc/xinetd.d/tftp file. > > on k12ltsp, it shows: > > # disable = yes > > but it should be: > > disable = no > > > ltspcfg can't handle the fact that the line is commented out. > > I need to fix ltspcfg, but in the meantime, changing /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > as I showed above, that should clear it up. Indeed, that cleared it up, thanks. Immanuel -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 6127702 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 9 13:09:30 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:09:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help thelast couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: me, too. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Gavin Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 09 Aug 2004 12:09, John Simovic wrote: > > I would like a copy too please > > Me too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shawn Henderson" > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help > > thelast couple of weeks! > > > > > I would like a copy . Im looking at creating a kiosk from our front > > > office . I switched all my users to firefox about a month ago and love > > > > it... > > > > > Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > > I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes > > > > away the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the > > > > user change browser settings. > > > > > > > > We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card > > > > catalog web application that runs on another server. > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a > > > > copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be > > > > downloaded. > > > > > > > > I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip > > > > address in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the > > > > wiki that Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > - -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1224 587369 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions. > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBF2JmeWseh9tzvqgRAjlwAJ9hRFt8FVYNOyWMsRP8Nl4gGhww4gCeNTxE > Rkr5lMxsKqewZF9A/LE8gd8= > =g7/s > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edwardsj at leonardisd.net Mon Aug 9 13:21:27 2004 From: edwardsj at leonardisd.net (Jerome Edwards) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 Message-ID: <3570.207.235.220.184.1092057687.squirrel@_default_> We have been using 4.1.0 on five servers and 150 terminals without any glitches. The true test will come when the all students arrive next week. This is a very impressive version yet. Thank you Eric and those who have contributed. You have saved our school thousands of dollars over the past few years. Thanks Again, Jerome Edwards Leonard ISD Leonard, Texas __ / / _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ Committed To The Use Of Open Source Software In Education From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 9 13:33:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:33:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Issue with 4.1 beta...??? Message-ID: Ok, Here's the set up....I have a Samba/LDAP server serving home directories to my K12LTSP box via NFS....I export from Samba/LDAP and mount on K12LTSP. The OS for the Samba/LDAP is also from the K12LTSP 4.1 beta disks. Thus I have the same /etc/skel and so forth on both machines. My issue.... Given that the Samba/LDAP is based on FC2 (due to 4.1) if I have my K12LTSP box also at FC2 (4.1)....my icons in IceWM will not work. All I get are the sheets of paper. Whereas if I use K12LTSP 4.01 (FC1 based) on the K12LTSP server ....IceWM works fine. So....any ideas? I've tried resetting desktops and all to no avail. Deleted and recreated users....used "virgin" users....reinstalled.....no diff. Any ideas? Something broken between IceWM, Gnome, or Nautilus? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 9 13:39:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:39:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: <411734A9.60302@cfl.rr.com> References: <411734A9.60302@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Icewm was missing some icons Aha!....so it's not just me! I think somethings broken in IceWM or the way it connects with Gnome or Nautilus. Most of the icons are missing (read...sheets of paper) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 9 14:17:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:17:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help=?ISO-8859-1?Q? thelast?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? couple?= In-Reply-To: <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> < > <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> < > <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> < > <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >>>I would like a copy too please >> >> Me too. > >Me, too, please :) Me too...in fact...I can post it for all if you wish. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 9 14:12:52 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:12:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Launcher for changing password for terminals HOWTO? In-Reply-To: <005b01c47c91$f05faa40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <4113E848.90301@paasda.org> <005b01c47c91$f05faa40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <41178664.5030308@maltzen.net> BTW Gavin, I think it would be a good thing if you would go to the wiki, http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ and post links to (and descriptions of) your pages. I think people looking for docs will probably start at the wiki, and without such links, they would miss your how-tos which may contain exactly the info they need. Petre Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi Huck... > > > >>p.s. Gavin...if you wanna beautify this with screenshots and the like >>and put on your website PLEASE DO =) >> >> > >Thanx Huck, How could you tell I was going to ask ? >This one should be easy to tern into a HOWTO 'My Style ;-)' >If anyone has any more HOWTOz please eMail me & ill do >my best to put them up where everyone can get @ them... > > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 9 14:46:35 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:46:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: multiple printers in mozilla Message-ID: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> I've got multiple printers defined on my 3.0.1 (RH8) K12ltsp server, using CUPS. But in Mozilla, the only printer shown is 'Default/Postscript'. How do I setup multiple printers within Mozilla so I can just select it from the list at print time? Petre From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 9 14:58:39 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: multiple printers in mozilla In-Reply-To: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> References: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <55983.10.10.10.10.1092063519.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> This follows my recent thread (in which there were no takers, sad day...) about default printers as well. You can click "properties" (or details, I don't remember what exactly it is) and you'll see the actual lpr command it uses. if you change that to something like "kprinter" it will bring up the kprinter dialog, where you can select the printer of your choice. By default, mozilla just prints to the default system printer (and I can't get that to obey the PRINTER= environment variable either...) I'm very interested in this thread as well, so if you get offlist replies, please send them my way. -SHawn Petre Scheie said: > I've got multiple printers defined on my 3.0.1 (RH8) K12ltsp server, > using CUPS. But in Mozilla, the only printer shown is > 'Default/Postscript'. How do I setup multiple printers within Mozilla > so I can just select it from the list at print time? > > Petre > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 9 15:01:06 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: multiple printers in mozilla In-Reply-To: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> References: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <56029.10.10.10.10.1092063666.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> oooooh... just had an idea... Perhaps changing the lpr binary from being, well, what it is, to a script that will call kprinter... Maybe THEN you'd have to pick a printer by default, instead of just sending the print job. That would break commandline printing without Xwindows -- but for my situation, it's a kludge that might work... I'll play a bit and report back... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 9 15:15:22 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:15:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: multiple printers in mozilla In-Reply-To: <56029.10.10.10.10.1092063666.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> <56029.10.10.10.10.1092063666.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4117950A.80908@maltzen.net> I found some things on the web which said the same thing: change the default 'lpr ...' command that Moz uses to 'kprinter --stdin' and then the kprinter dialog box pops up, and I can choose whichever printer I want. It works and is adequate for my needs but I see two problems with it: One, printing now takes at least three clicks, five if you change the printer choice, which seems like a lot; two, kprinter doesn't seem to have an option for designating a default printer, such that if you choose a different printer for a given job, the next time you print the printer chosen in the previous job will be the default selection. These are minor points, though. (Perhaps they're better in a later version of kprinter?) Petre Shawn Powers wrote: >oooooh... just had an idea... > >Perhaps changing the lpr binary from being, well, what it is, to a script >that will call kprinter... Maybe THEN you'd have to pick a printer by >default, instead of just sending the print job. That would break >commandline printing without Xwindows -- but for my situation, it's a >kludge that might work... > >I'll play a bit and report back... > >-Shawn > > > > > From webmaster at vol.org Mon Aug 9 15:18:55 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:18:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: multiple printers in mozilla In-Reply-To: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> References: <41178E4B.6080304@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1092064735.32071.4.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 09:46, Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got multiple printers defined on my 3.0.1 (RH8) K12ltsp server, > using CUPS. But in Mozilla, the only printer shown is > 'Default/Postscript'. How do I setup multiple printers within Mozilla > so I can just select it from the list at print time? I use a program called gtklp: http://gtklp.sourceforge.net/ When a user in Mozilla hits print, the Mozilla print dialog comes up. The user then hits print again and the gtklp dialog comes up and the user is able to select the desired printer and set other options. I had to change the following in Mozilla's prefs.js file: user_pref("print.print_command", "gtklp"); -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Aug 9 16:20:50 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:20:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone out there running sound on NIC's? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040809091752.01bffeb8@pop.easystreet.com> Could someone who has gotten sound to work on their NIC (New Internet Computer) clients share their lts.conf and rc.sound file settings with me? Are there other files involved that I'm not aware of? I can't get it to work. I don't know what sound "card" is in there. TIA ck From tim at litwiller.net Mon Aug 9 17:05:50 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:05:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help=?ISO-8859-1?Q? thelast?= couple In-Reply-To: References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> < > <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> < > <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> < > <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> Message-ID: <4117AEEE.6070403@litwiller.net> Your the IceWm guru right? Do you have a howto on making Icewm the only choice on the gdm login screen? I made the time out as short as I know how and with the autologin knowone needs to know a password so they can force loging in another way - but I would rather remove all the other session options. David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>>>I would like a copy too please >>>> >>>> >>>Me too. >>> >>> >>Me, too, please :) >> >> > >Me too...in fact...I can post it for all if you wish. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 9 17:13:20 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:13:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM Sessions - Was Re: firefox kiosk terminals In-Reply-To: <4117AEEE.6070403@litwiller.net> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> < > <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> < > <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> < > <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> <4117AEEE.6070403@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1092071600.16223.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 10:05, Tim Litwiller wrote: > Do you have a howto on making Icewm the only choice on the gdm login > screen? Change the contents of /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From nbs at sonic.net Mon Aug 9 17:15:07 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:15:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help thelast couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <1D3612C0-EA02-11D8-9F17-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> <41175A78.5050800@techcoms.net> <017201c47e01$4f63e3b0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <200408091239.19913.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <41176F01.8060303@maginetworks.com> <1D3612C0-EA02-11D8-9F17-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <20040809171507.GA8275@sonic.net> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 02:46:20PM +0200, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > me too please :-) > > Kevin Alright then... Me too ;^P -bill! (already fwd'ing it to a friend who was asking about Firefox as a kiosk ;) ) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 9 17:47:49 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:47:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: References: <411734A9.60302@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1092073668.2591.19.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 06:39, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >Icewm was missing some icons > Aha!....so it's not just me! I think somethings broken in IceWM or the > way it connects with Gnome or Nautilus. Most of the icons are missing > (read...sheets of paper) I have this bug figured out & will have updated packages & ISOs out by the end of the day. If all goes perfectly, I'll do the official release tonight. Most likely I'll wait until tomorrow. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It will sit forever like this, until some one presses a key and it will return to X Windows The screen does first go black(monitor is not in standby mode), then after 5-10min the text will appear Thanks for any help/ suggestions Tim _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 9 18:07:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:07:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: <1092073668.2591.19.camel@server.ltsp> References: <411734A9.60302@cfl.rr.com> <1092073668.2591.19.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4117BD4D.6010104@paasda.org> Tomorrow it is... been putting off DL'n and install'n as school starts in 2 weeks... all staff in pre-session so working on their machines atm... then all hell will break loose with me trying to get this Samba/LDAP thing working... Thanks for all the hard work Eric and the others! --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: >On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 06:39, David Trask wrote: > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>writes: >> >> >>>Icewm was missing some icons >>> >>> >>Aha!....so it's not just me! I think somethings broken in IceWM or the >>way it connects with Gnome or Nautilus. Most of the icons are missing >>(read...sheets of paper) >> >> > > >I have this bug figured out & will have updated packages & ISOs out by >the end of the day. > >If all goes perfectly, I'll do the official release tonight. Most likely >I'll wait until tomorrow. > >-Eric > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From julius at turtle.com Mon Aug 9 18:04:51 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone out there running sound on NIC's? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040809091752.01bffeb8@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Carl Keil wrote: > Could someone who has gotten sound to work on their NIC (New Internet > Computer) clients share their lts.conf and rc.sound file settings with > me? Are there other files involved that I'm not aware of? > > I can't get it to work. I don't know what sound "card" is in there. Carl, what you are looking for is: SMODULE_01 = cmpci julius From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 9 18:16:14 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:16:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: <1092073668.2591.19.camel@server.ltsp> References: < > <411734A9.60302@cfl.rr.com> < > <1092073668.2591.19.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I have this bug figured out & will have updated packages & ISOs out by >the end of the day. Very cool...I confirmed that it happens on every install....I'm consulting in NH today and it happened here too. Will a simple Yum or apt update fix it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 9 18:12:06 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:12:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092075126.2591.24.camel@server.ltsp> I changed the K12LTSP scripts to set "disable = no" rather than "# disable = yes". That will at least squash complaints from fresh installs. -Eric On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 05:39, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Immanuel, > > This problem is caused by an entry in the /etc/xinetd.d/tftp file. > > on k12ltsp, it shows: > > # disable = yes > > but it should be: > > disable = no > > > ltspcfg can't handle the fact that the line is commented out. > > I need to fix ltspcfg, but in the meantime, changing /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > as I showed above, that should clear it up. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Immanuel Derks wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 08:23, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Luis Montes wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback Luis, I greatly appreciate it! It is VERY, VERY > > > IMPORTANT for those who try beta software to provide feedback! > > > > Checking Tftpd....Use of uninitialized value in scalar chomp at /usr/sbin/ltspcfg line 836. > > Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/sbin/ltspcfg line 837. > > > > while running ltspcfg from your latest package. > > > > Regards Immanuel > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Will a simple Yum or apt update fix > > it? > > > > Yes, the new packages are already loaded into the repository. > > Update & let me know how it goes! I just noticed the icon wonkiness recently on some of our LTS and the aforementioned update fixed it. Was it the gnome-settings-daemon? Thanks! -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 9 18:46:19 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:46:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 In-Reply-To: <1092076071.16223.8.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: < > <411734A9.60302@cfl.rr.com> < > <1092073668.2591.19.camel@server.ltsp> <1092075526.2591.26.camel@server.ltsp> <1092076071.16223.8.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1092077179.2591.29.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 11:27, Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 11:18, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 11:16, David Trask wrote: > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > writes: > > > >I have this bug figured out & will have updated packages & ISOs out by > > > >the end of the day. > > > > > > Very cool...I confirmed that it happens on every install....I'm consulting > > > in NH today and it happened here too. Will a simple Yum or apt update fix > > > it? > > > > > > > Yes, the new packages are already loaded into the repository. > > > > Update & let me know how it goes! > > I just noticed the icon wonkiness recently on some of our LTS and the > aforementioned update fixed it. Was it the gnome-settings-daemon? > > Thanks! > Yes. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From trondrm at online.no Mon Aug 9 18:58:51 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:58:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Editing Gnome menus Message-ID: <1092077931.10267.2.camel@enterprise> Is there a simple way of editing the gnome start menu for all users? I would like to remove some programs, so that the users only have access to what they really need... 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Thanks. --Matt Ross From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Mon Aug 9 19:07:43 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:07:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] X windows fails after period of no use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4117CB7F.5030809@physics.isu.edu> Tim Scholten wrote: > Hi > I am setting up k12ltsp at a private school, every thing is up and > running. Except that when the terminal sits with no activity it will > display a screen of text, the messages on the screen is the exact as > when the first boots right before X window comes up. > > It will sit forever like this, until some one presses a key and it > will return to X Windows > The screen does first go black(monitor is not in standby mode), then > after 5-10min the text will appear > Hi, I have a K12ltsp 4.0.1 server that does this as well. This server was upgraded via CD's from K12ltsp 3.0.2 . I haven't really looked into it because it hasn't bugged my users much and they haven't complained, but I can troubleshoot if someone gives me suggestions where to look. Maybe power management/screensaver? Ben From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Aug 9 19:08:00 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:08:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Editing Gnome menus In-Reply-To: <1092077931.10267.2.camel@enterprise> References: <1092077931.10267.2.camel@enterprise> Message-ID: <4117CB90.20705@criticalcontrol.com> Trond M?hlum wrote: > Is there a simple way of editing the gnome start menu for all users? I > would like to remove some programs, so that the users only have access > to what they really need... This is on K12LTSP 4.0.1 > Depends on what version of gnome your using 2.4 or 2.6? Peter -- Micro$oft highly recommends that users with Internet access update their software to better protect against viruses and security vulnerabilities. The easiest way to do this is to visit the following website: http://www.suse.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 9 19:13:24 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More Questions In-Reply-To: <200408091205.32322.mross@esd165.org> References: <200408091205.32322.mross@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1092078803.16223.29.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:05, Matthew Ross wrote: > I just remade my k12ltsp server with 4.1.0 Beta 17, and I have a few > questions: > > 1. I want to use apt/synaptic. I found the link to apt in the wiki, but the > link is dead. Is there a good place to get it otherwise? Fedora.us has them. http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraMirrorList > 2. I'm trying to 'yum update', but it's hanging on qt-devel, reporting that I > have a damaged header, and keeps retrying to download it. Something up with > this file? I usually look for Yum repositories that are closer or faster than the default. Sometimes a download will timeout, leaving a partial (damaged) file. I'd bet it would download OK if you found a mirror. > 3. I found how to set the default WM to IceWM, but I'd like to change the > default menus for it as well. IceWM makes a .icewm file in the $HOME, but how > do I make a default before the user logs in for the first time? /usr/share/icewm/menu sets the global defaults. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 9 19:19:04 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:19:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] X windows fails after period of no use In-Reply-To: <4117CB7F.5030809@physics.isu.edu> References: <4117CB7F.5030809@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <4117CE28.70902@paasda.org> Even with a fresh install of 4.0.1 my server did this... I figured it was an auto-logout script of some sort...based on inactivity... --Huck Ben Nickell wrote: > Tim Scholten wrote: > >> Hi >> I am setting up k12ltsp at a private school, every thing is up and >> running. Except that when the terminal sits with no activity it will >> display a screen of text, the messages on the screen is the exact as >> when the first boots right before X window comes up. >> >> It will sit forever like this, until some one presses a key and it >> will return to X Windows >> The screen does first go black(monitor is not in standby mode), then >> after 5-10min the text will appear >> > Hi, > > I have a K12ltsp 4.0.1 server that does this as well. This server was > upgraded via CD's from K12ltsp 3.0.2 . > > I haven't really looked into it because it hasn't bugged my users much > and they haven't complained, but I can troubleshoot if someone gives > me suggestions where to look. > Maybe power management/screensaver? > > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Aug 9 19:05:07 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:05:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <200408091914.i79JEoH15101@downeast.net> can you do a one-liner describing how you are using it.. I havew an "unopened" copy here...and you know whatwever floats your boat is the way you should go 8~) chuck > I am using Windows Services for Unix 3.5 (I know I am using the dark side > but politically have no choice). It works very well to auth and provide home > files to linux users. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] winbind--Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients > > > > i use winbind to authenticate seamlessly to win2000 domain from ltsp with > > oh 1000 users or so....the pam_mkhomedir section in pam.d/system-auth > > creates a local home directory > > > > by rights you sjould be ablt to use pam_mount to mount a users win2000 > > directory as well..i have never gotten it to work...so i use a stupid > > little script that prompts for name and pw and then smbmounts the win2000 > > directory....i can ship you my scripts if it helps...just practice your > > linux rescue techniques and make backup copies of pam.d files..chuck > > > > there is also something called pam_smb which authenticates by attempting > an > > smbmount based on users input at login ..i didn't play much wwith it > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mross at esd165.org Mon Aug 9 20:02:17 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:02:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More Questions In-Reply-To: <1092078803.16223.29.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <200408091205.32322.mross@esd165.org> <1092078803.16223.29.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200408091302.17391.mross@esd165.org> Thanks! On Monday 09 August 2004 12:13 pm, Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:05, Matthew Ross wrote: > > I just remade my k12ltsp server with 4.1.0 Beta 17, and I have a few > > questions: > > > > 1. I want to use apt/synaptic. I found the link to apt in the wiki, but > > the link is dead. Is there a good place to get it otherwise? > > Fedora.us has them. > http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraMirrorList > > > 2. I'm trying to 'yum update', but it's hanging on qt-devel, reporting > > that I have a damaged header, and keeps retrying to download it. > > Something up with this file? > > I usually look for Yum repositories that are closer or faster than the > default. Sometimes a download will timeout, leaving a partial (damaged) > file. I'd bet it would download OK if you found a mirror. > > > 3. I found how to set the default WM to IceWM, but I'd like to change the > > default menus for it as well. IceWM makes a .icewm file in the $HOME, but > > how do I make a default before the user logs in for the first time? > > /usr/share/icewm/menu sets the global defaults. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 9 20:07:32 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:07:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP is for? Message-ID: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> What is the benefit of using LDAP with SAMBA instead of just using plain old SAMBA and making it the primary domain controller for XP machines to login to? I would only need to 'adduser ' 'smbuser ' 'passwd ' 'smbpasswd ' and I'd be golden ya, students would logon to their XP machines(in 1 lab) with their samba username... and authenticate to the domain via samba and have access to their /home directories... What is it that LDAP is doing ? I'm not sure if I need LDAP or not... --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 9 20:30:48 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:30:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #3 Message-ID: <1092083448.2591.34.camel@server.ltsp> I've rolled in the fixes/updates for the few bugs reported in K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta. I'm done with the first round of testing and all looks good. Unless I find a problem and/or someone reports another serious bug, I'll release this as the K12LTSP 4.1.0 final. In the meantime, you can grab the currently-not-official ISOs at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trond > Peter -- Trond M?hlum From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Aug 9 20:43:20 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:43:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Editing Gnome menus In-Reply-To: <1092083776.10390.0.camel@enterprise> References: <1092077931.10267.2.camel@enterprise> <4117CB90.20705@criticalcontrol.com> <1092083776.10390.0.camel@enterprise> Message-ID: <4117E1E8.2040401@criticalcontrol.com> Trond M?hlum wrote: >man, 09.08.2004 kl. 21.08 skrev Pete: > > >>Trond M?hlum wrote: >> >> >> >>>Is there a simple way of editing the gnome start menu for all users? I >>>would like to remove some programs, so that the users only have access >>>to what they really need... This is on K12LTSP 4.0.1 >>> >>> >>> >>Depends on what version of gnome your using 2.4 or 2.6? >> >> > >The one that came with K12LTSP 4.0.1 as default... Not sure if it's 2.4 >or 2.6... > >Trond > > > >>Peter >> >> See the follow-up mails in http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2003-September/msg00036.html 2.4 has a lot of ERRORS ! Items like "Run Application..." are hardcoded inside gnome 2.4 Things are better in gnome 2.6 see gnome.org doc for latest menu stuff. Peter From smoogen at lanl.gov Mon Aug 9 20:54:34 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen J Smoogen) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:54:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help: Info, how to sell, documents. Message-ID: <4117E48A.9080206@lanl.gov> Ok, it looks like I have 3 sites that are needing some sort of solution for OSN. The first site has 10 computers that have either Windows 2000 or no OS on them. We put fedora on the boxes with no OS on them, but now I am needing the more important parts: training, selling, and getting people involved. The second site will be in a similar state. They will have some windows boxes because of reporting things to their sponsor but the rest of the machines are pretty open. I am looking at K12LTSP for at least one site, but need to have an idea on what a good server would be for 10 clients? I have the usual goal of building it with no money, but can try to by resourceful. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Mon Aug 9 21:33:34 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:33:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV In-Reply-To: <000601c47bbf$005113e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I haven't had a successful update since Aug 3.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:10 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] ClamAV > "Error: Malformed CVD Header Detected" and "Error: Can't read > main.cvd header from Database.clamav.net" Can someone tell me > what is going on?????? I am running ClamAV as well with our mailserver and have seen the same error once or twice a day over the last couple of days. I also get an error once or twice saying that it could not receive an update. However it is checking for updates every hour so I figured worst cast it is still updating correctly 20 times a day. So I just wrote it off as a problem with the update server due to traffice overload and delete my couple of notices per day and go on with my life. But if anyone knows of what causes this, if it is a big deal, or how I could fix it, I would be interested in the info as well. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.4.0 - Release Date: 8/6/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.5.0 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 9 21:25:33 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:25:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help: Info, how to sell, documents. In-Reply-To: <4117E48A.9080206@lanl.gov> References: <4117E48A.9080206@lanl.gov> Message-ID: <4117EBCD.6030203@paasda.org> AMD 2000+ with 1.5 gig of ram and a 40 gig HD works fine in my pilot lab with 10 stations ... and using the server as an 11th station(not recommended)... Stephen J Smoogen wrote: > Ok, it looks like I have 3 sites that are needing some sort of > solution for OSN. The first site has 10 computers that have either > Windows 2000 or no OS on them. We put fedora on the boxes with no OS > on them, but now I am needing the more important parts: training, > selling, and getting people involved. The second site will be in a > similar state. They will have some windows boxes because of reporting > things to their sponsor but the rest of the machines are pretty open. > > I am looking at K12LTSP for at least one site, but need to have an > idea on what a good server would be for 10 clients? I have the usual > goal of building it with no money, but can try to by resourceful. > > From tim at litwiller.net Mon Aug 9 21:37:36 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:37:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help the last couple of weeks! In-Reply-To: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> References: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <4117EEA0.6040208@litwiller.net> UPDATE - After deploying this late last week we found that the forward and back buttons don't work - I locked it down to far. I have fixed that problem and uploaded the fixed version to my web server. http://www.litwiller.net Tim Litwiller wrote: > I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes > away the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the > user change browser settings. > > We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card > catalog web application that runs on another server. > > If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a > copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be > downloaded. > > I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip > address in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the > wiki that Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dgough at papcs.com Mon Aug 9 22:22:48 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:22:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C256@xms.papcs.com> You could take a look at Microsoft Services for Unix. It provides NFS and NIS directly from the Windows server, using the existing user accounts. I'm not sure how you'd integrate it with the Linux terminal server, but I imagine it's quite possible. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Josiah Ritchie Sent: August 6, 2004 7:27 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using NT Domain Accounts on Clients Mark Cockrell wrote: > Thanks for your input. Now go study! ;) :-) *grumble* _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 9 22:38:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:38:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP is for? In-Reply-To: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> Message-ID: Huck....does everything and everyone live on one server? If so, you don't need Samba-LDAP for now. BUT....the advantage to Samba-LDAP is that the users and home dirs live on that server and the rest lives somewhere else. I can blow away my K12LTSP box....upgrade it and simply put it back on the network...use authconfig to point it to the Samba-LDAP box and away we go. I can drop another server in the same way. Plus...it seperates theusers data from all else. How many users...how big of a school or network? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 9 22:38:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:38:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP is for? In-Reply-To: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> Message-ID: Huck....does everything and everyone live on one server? If so, you don't need Samba-LDAP for now. BUT....the advantage to Samba-LDAP is that the users and home dirs live on that server and the rest lives somewhere else. I can blow away my K12LTSP box....upgrade it and simply put it back on the network...use authconfig to point it to the Samba-LDAP box and away we go. I can drop another server in the same way. Plus...it seperates theusers data from all else. How many users...how big of a school or network? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 9 22:45:55 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:45:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP is for? In-Reply-To: References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> I have ~220 student users...all users will be on 1 machine(only have the 1 server)... I just need Mac/XP/thin clients to all login via the K12LTSP and have /home/ mapped to H:\ I don't want to have to create users on all of the XP and Mac machines. Teachers/staff use Novell for their fileserver...and XP for their OS...so I can just add a samba share for staff who need a shared class directory. --Huck David Trask wrote: >Huck....does everything and everyone live on one server? If so, you don't >need Samba-LDAP for now. BUT....the advantage to Samba-LDAP is that the >users and home dirs live on that server and the rest lives somewhere else. > I can blow away my K12LTSP box....upgrade it and simply put it back on >the network...use authconfig to point it to the Samba-LDAP box and away we >go. I can drop another server in the same way. Plus...it seperates >theusers data from all else. How many users...how big of a school or >network? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 10 02:19:25 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:19:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 Message-ID: <20040810021925.CBZL4492.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> I have 4.0.1 loaded with 32 machines connecting (IBM 300PLs) and have configured the server the way I think I want it. I also added over 500 users (only 32 logins at a time!) I am downloading the 4.1.0 final(?) version I saw tonite. My question is, how do I install it? Do I have to start fresh or is there an upgrade option after booting from disc 1? Thanks in advance > > From: Eric Harrison > Date: 2004/08/09 Mon PM 12:47:49 CDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 (final?) beta, round #2 > > -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 10 02:27:46 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released Message-ID: Ladies and gentleman, K12LTSP 4.1.0 is finally available for your downloading pleasure. This release was a long time in coming, 144 days since the last release. K12LTSP 4.1.0 is the combination of Fedora Core 2 and LTSP 4.1. The hard work of these two projects shows in this release, this is the fastest, most refined release of K12LTSP to date. We owe the Fedora and LTSP projects a big thank-you. Fedora Core 2 release notes: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ LTSP 4.1 release notes: http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.html ISO images are currently available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/iso/ rsync -Pave k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP/ . The download page on the K12LTSP website, http://www.k12ltsp.org/download.html will be updated as the mirrors sync up. -Eric CHANGELOG for K12LTSP 4.1.0 New K12LTSP-specific packages ============================= cabextract-1.0-0.fdr.1.2 DansGuardian-2.7.6-7.k12ltsp.0.4.0 Updated K12LTSP-specific packages ================================= anaconda-10.0-5.k12ltsp.2.4.1 apt-0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp bluefish-0.13-0.fdr.2.2 dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.3-k12ltsp.0.4.1 gcompris-6.1-0.fc2.3.k12ltsp.2.4.1 gnome-themes-extras-0.4-0.fdr.1.1.90 icewm-1.2.14-0.k12ltsp.1.4.1 lcms-1.12-0.fdr.2.2 ltsp_config-0.0.25-k12ltsp.2.4.1 ltsp_esound_i386-0.6-k12ltsp.5.4.1 ltsp_i386-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 ltsp_i386-kernel-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 ltsp_i386-lbe-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 meld-0.9.2.1-0.fdr.2.1.91 mknbi-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.2 perl-Mail-Alias-1.12-0.fdr.3.2 perl-String-ShellQuote-1.00-0.fdr.7.2 root-desktop-urls-0.0.8-k12ltsp.0.4.1 scribus-1.1.6-0.fdr.3.2 synaptic-0.51-0.fdr.1.2 up2date-4.3.19-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 verynice-1.1-1.k12ltsp.1.4.0 yum-2.0.7-1.1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 Official Fedora Core 2 updates ============================== abiword-2.0.5-2 bison-1.875c-1 cdda2wav-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 cdrecord-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 cups-1.1.20-11.1 cvs-1.11.17-2 devhelp-0.9.1-0.2.0 dhclient-3.0.1rc14-1 dhcp-3.0.1rc14-1 dovecot-0.99.10.5-0.FC2 epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.0 ethereal-0.10.5-0.2.2 fam-2.6.10-9.FC2 finger-0.17-24 ftp-0.17-21 gaim-0.81-0.FC2 GConf2-2.6.0-7 gimp-2.0.4-0.fc2.1 gimp-gap-2.0.2-1 gimp-help-2-0.0.3 gnome-applets-2.6.2.1-1 gnome-session-2.6.0-4 gnumeric-1.2.8-2 gstreamer-0.8.3-2 httpd-2.0.50-2.1 hwdata-0.120-1 iiimf-11.4-46.1.svn1587 info-4.7-4 initscripts-7.55.1-1 ipsec-tools-0.2.5-4 jcode.pl-2.13-9.2 k3b-0.11.12-1 kcc-2.3-20.1 kdelibs-3.2.2-6 kernel-2.6.7-1.494.2.2 krb5-1.3.3-7 libbonobo-2.6.2-1 libgnome-2.6.0-3 libpng10-1.0.15-5 libpng-1.2.5-8 libwnck-2.6.0.1-3 mailman-2.1.5-7 man-pages-ja-20040715-3 mkisofs-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 mod_dav_svn-1.0.6-1 mod_python-3.1.3-1.fc2.1 mod_ssl-2.0.50-2.1 mozilla-1.7.2-0.2.0 neon-0.24.7-2.1 net-tools-1.60-25.1 nfs-utils-1.0.6-22 openmotif-2.2.3-4.1 ORBit2-2.10.0-4 php-4.3.8-2.1 ppp-2.4.2-3.FC2.1 rsync-2.6.2-1 sox-12.17.4-4.fc2 squid-2.5.STABLE5-4.fc2 squirrelmail-1.4.3-1 strace-4.5.5-1 subversion-1.0.6-1 sysstat-5.0.1-4 system-config-network-1.3.17-0.FC2.1 texinfo-4.7-4 tzdata-2004b-1.fc2 xinitrc-3.42-1 xorg-x11-6.7.0-5 From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 10 02:35:28 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric, CONGRATULATIONS !!!!! Glad to hear the release is out. Now, you can get some rest :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Ladies and gentleman, > > K12LTSP 4.1.0 is finally available for your downloading pleasure. > > This release was a long time in coming, 144 days since the last > release. K12LTSP 4.1.0 is the combination of Fedora Core 2 and > LTSP 4.1. The hard work of these two projects shows in this > release, this is the fastest, most refined release of K12LTSP > to date. We owe the Fedora and LTSP projects a big thank-you. > > Fedora Core 2 release notes: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ > > LTSP 4.1 release notes: > > http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.html > > > > ISO images are currently available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/iso/ > rsync -Pave k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP/ . > > > The download page on the K12LTSP website, http://www.k12ltsp.org/download.html > will be updated as the mirrors sync up. > > -Eric > > > > CHANGELOG for K12LTSP 4.1.0 > > New K12LTSP-specific packages > ============================= > cabextract-1.0-0.fdr.1.2 > DansGuardian-2.7.6-7.k12ltsp.0.4.0 > > > Updated K12LTSP-specific packages > ================================= > anaconda-10.0-5.k12ltsp.2.4.1 > apt-0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp > bluefish-0.13-0.fdr.2.2 > dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.3-k12ltsp.0.4.1 > gcompris-6.1-0.fc2.3.k12ltsp.2.4.1 > gnome-themes-extras-0.4-0.fdr.1.1.90 > icewm-1.2.14-0.k12ltsp.1.4.1 > lcms-1.12-0.fdr.2.2 > ltsp_config-0.0.25-k12ltsp.2.4.1 > ltsp_esound_i386-0.6-k12ltsp.5.4.1 > ltsp_i386-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > ltsp_i386-kernel-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > ltsp_i386-lbe-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > meld-0.9.2.1-0.fdr.2.1.91 > mknbi-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.2 > perl-Mail-Alias-1.12-0.fdr.3.2 > perl-String-ShellQuote-1.00-0.fdr.7.2 > root-desktop-urls-0.0.8-k12ltsp.0.4.1 > scribus-1.1.6-0.fdr.3.2 > synaptic-0.51-0.fdr.1.2 > up2date-4.3.19-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > verynice-1.1-1.k12ltsp.1.4.0 > yum-2.0.7-1.1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > > > Official Fedora Core 2 updates > ============================== > abiword-2.0.5-2 > bison-1.875c-1 > cdda2wav-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > cdrecord-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > cups-1.1.20-11.1 > cvs-1.11.17-2 > devhelp-0.9.1-0.2.0 > dhclient-3.0.1rc14-1 > dhcp-3.0.1rc14-1 > dovecot-0.99.10.5-0.FC2 > epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.0 > ethereal-0.10.5-0.2.2 > fam-2.6.10-9.FC2 > finger-0.17-24 > ftp-0.17-21 > gaim-0.81-0.FC2 > GConf2-2.6.0-7 > gimp-2.0.4-0.fc2.1 > gimp-gap-2.0.2-1 > gimp-help-2-0.0.3 > gnome-applets-2.6.2.1-1 > gnome-session-2.6.0-4 > gnumeric-1.2.8-2 > gstreamer-0.8.3-2 > httpd-2.0.50-2.1 > hwdata-0.120-1 > iiimf-11.4-46.1.svn1587 > info-4.7-4 > initscripts-7.55.1-1 > ipsec-tools-0.2.5-4 > jcode.pl-2.13-9.2 > k3b-0.11.12-1 > kcc-2.3-20.1 > kdelibs-3.2.2-6 > kernel-2.6.7-1.494.2.2 > krb5-1.3.3-7 > libbonobo-2.6.2-1 > libgnome-2.6.0-3 > libpng10-1.0.15-5 > libpng-1.2.5-8 > libwnck-2.6.0.1-3 > mailman-2.1.5-7 > man-pages-ja-20040715-3 > mkisofs-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > mod_dav_svn-1.0.6-1 > mod_python-3.1.3-1.fc2.1 > mod_ssl-2.0.50-2.1 > mozilla-1.7.2-0.2.0 > neon-0.24.7-2.1 > net-tools-1.60-25.1 > nfs-utils-1.0.6-22 > openmotif-2.2.3-4.1 > ORBit2-2.10.0-4 > php-4.3.8-2.1 > ppp-2.4.2-3.FC2.1 > rsync-2.6.2-1 > sox-12.17.4-4.fc2 > squid-2.5.STABLE5-4.fc2 > squirrelmail-1.4.3-1 > strace-4.5.5-1 > subversion-1.0.6-1 > sysstat-5.0.1-4 > system-config-network-1.3.17-0.FC2.1 > texinfo-4.7-4 > tzdata-2004b-1.fc2 > xinitrc-3.42-1 > xorg-x11-6.7.0-5 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at pandora.be Tue Aug 10 08:07:03 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:07:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4394B729-EAA4-11D8-BE07-003065521B98@pandora.be> WONDERFULL !! Great job, Eric ! Kevin On 10 Aug 2004, at 04:27, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Ladies and gentleman, > > K12LTSP 4.1.0 is finally available for your downloading pleasure. > > This release was a long time in coming, 144 days since the last > release. K12LTSP 4.1.0 is the combination of Fedora Core 2 and > LTSP 4.1. The hard work of these two projects shows in this > release, this is the fastest, most refined release of K12LTSP > to date. We owe the Fedora and LTSP projects a big thank-you. > > Fedora Core 2 release notes: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ > > LTSP 4.1 release notes: > > http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.html > > > > ISO images are currently available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/iso/ > rsync -Pave k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP/ . > > > The download page on the K12LTSP website, > http://www.k12ltsp.org/download.html > will be updated as the mirrors sync up. > > -Eric > > > > CHANGELOG for K12LTSP 4.1.0 > > New K12LTSP-specific packages > ============================= > cabextract-1.0-0.fdr.1.2 > DansGuardian-2.7.6-7.k12ltsp.0.4.0 > > > Updated K12LTSP-specific packages > ================================= > anaconda-10.0-5.k12ltsp.2.4.1 > apt-0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp > bluefish-0.13-0.fdr.2.2 > dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.3-k12ltsp.0.4.1 > gcompris-6.1-0.fc2.3.k12ltsp.2.4.1 > gnome-themes-extras-0.4-0.fdr.1.1.90 > icewm-1.2.14-0.k12ltsp.1.4.1 > lcms-1.12-0.fdr.2.2 > ltsp_config-0.0.25-k12ltsp.2.4.1 > ltsp_esound_i386-0.6-k12ltsp.5.4.1 > ltsp_i386-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > ltsp_i386-kernel-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > ltsp_i386-lbe-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > meld-0.9.2.1-0.fdr.2.1.91 > mknbi-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.2 > perl-Mail-Alias-1.12-0.fdr.3.2 > perl-String-ShellQuote-1.00-0.fdr.7.2 > root-desktop-urls-0.0.8-k12ltsp.0.4.1 > scribus-1.1.6-0.fdr.3.2 > synaptic-0.51-0.fdr.1.2 > up2date-4.3.19-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > verynice-1.1-1.k12ltsp.1.4.0 > yum-2.0.7-1.1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > > > Official Fedora Core 2 updates > ============================== > abiword-2.0.5-2 > bison-1.875c-1 > cdda2wav-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > cdrecord-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > cups-1.1.20-11.1 > cvs-1.11.17-2 > devhelp-0.9.1-0.2.0 > dhclient-3.0.1rc14-1 > dhcp-3.0.1rc14-1 > dovecot-0.99.10.5-0.FC2 > epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.0 > ethereal-0.10.5-0.2.2 > fam-2.6.10-9.FC2 > finger-0.17-24 > ftp-0.17-21 > gaim-0.81-0.FC2 > GConf2-2.6.0-7 > gimp-2.0.4-0.fc2.1 > gimp-gap-2.0.2-1 > gimp-help-2-0.0.3 > gnome-applets-2.6.2.1-1 > gnome-session-2.6.0-4 > gnumeric-1.2.8-2 > gstreamer-0.8.3-2 > httpd-2.0.50-2.1 > hwdata-0.120-1 > iiimf-11.4-46.1.svn1587 > info-4.7-4 > initscripts-7.55.1-1 > ipsec-tools-0.2.5-4 > jcode.pl-2.13-9.2 > k3b-0.11.12-1 > kcc-2.3-20.1 > kdelibs-3.2.2-6 > kernel-2.6.7-1.494.2.2 > krb5-1.3.3-7 > libbonobo-2.6.2-1 > libgnome-2.6.0-3 > libpng10-1.0.15-5 > libpng-1.2.5-8 > libwnck-2.6.0.1-3 > mailman-2.1.5-7 > man-pages-ja-20040715-3 > mkisofs-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > mod_dav_svn-1.0.6-1 > mod_python-3.1.3-1.fc2.1 > mod_ssl-2.0.50-2.1 > mozilla-1.7.2-0.2.0 > neon-0.24.7-2.1 > net-tools-1.60-25.1 > nfs-utils-1.0.6-22 > openmotif-2.2.3-4.1 > ORBit2-2.10.0-4 > php-4.3.8-2.1 > ppp-2.4.2-3.FC2.1 > rsync-2.6.2-1 > sox-12.17.4-4.fc2 > squid-2.5.STABLE5-4.fc2 > squirrelmail-1.4.3-1 > strace-4.5.5-1 > subversion-1.0.6-1 > sysstat-5.0.1-4 > system-config-network-1.3.17-0.FC2.1 > texinfo-4.7-4 > tzdata-2004b-1.fc2 > xinitrc-3.42-1 > xorg-x11-6.7.0-5 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From s.carugo at didasca.it Tue Aug 10 08:50:56 2004 From: s.carugo at didasca.it (Prof. Silverio Carugo) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:50:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP.org at LinuxWord Conference & Expo, Italian edition Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040810104051.02c0af70@80.16.185.140> Dear Eric, 1. I do congratulate with you for the K12LTSP.org version 4.1 release ! 2. I am pleased to inform you ( and the entire K12LTSP.org community ) that after the West Coast edition of LW the K12LTSP.org success story will continue with the Italian edition of LinuxWorld Conference & Expo. It will take place in Milan, 22/24 Sept. 2004. In the .Org Pavilion, DIDASCA will run a booth completely dedicated to PROGETTO LAZZARO. This project promotes the use of refurbished PCs by the Italian schools based on K12LTSP technology. Please, see: www.ProgettoLazzaro.it My best, Silverio Carugo Rector ---------- DIDASCA The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning Via Ragazzi del 99 n. 19 23100 Sondrio SO Italy Tel: +39 0342 513344 Fax: +39 0342 514953 E-mail: s.carugo at didasca.it Url: http://www.didasca.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepiano at pandora.be Tue Aug 10 09:30:40 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:30:40 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric, when will the images be available at a mirror near Europe? Dl will otherwise take app. 10 hours... Kevin On 10 Aug 2004, at 04:27, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Ladies and gentleman, > > K12LTSP 4.1.0 is finally available for your downloading pleasure. > > This release was a long time in coming, 144 days since the last > release. K12LTSP 4.1.0 is the combination of Fedora Core 2 and > LTSP 4.1. The hard work of these two projects shows in this > release, this is the fastest, most refined release of K12LTSP > to date. We owe the Fedora and LTSP projects a big thank-you. > > Fedora Core 2 release notes: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ > > LTSP 4.1 release notes: > > http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.html > > > > ISO images are currently available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/iso/ > rsync -Pave k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP/ . > > > The download page on the K12LTSP website, > http://www.k12ltsp.org/download.html > will be updated as the mirrors sync up. > > -Eric > > > > CHANGELOG for K12LTSP 4.1.0 > > New K12LTSP-specific packages > ============================= > cabextract-1.0-0.fdr.1.2 > DansGuardian-2.7.6-7.k12ltsp.0.4.0 > > > Updated K12LTSP-specific packages > ================================= > anaconda-10.0-5.k12ltsp.2.4.1 > apt-0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp > bluefish-0.13-0.fdr.2.2 > dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.3-k12ltsp.0.4.1 > gcompris-6.1-0.fc2.3.k12ltsp.2.4.1 > gnome-themes-extras-0.4-0.fdr.1.1.90 > icewm-1.2.14-0.k12ltsp.1.4.1 > lcms-1.12-0.fdr.2.2 > ltsp_config-0.0.25-k12ltsp.2.4.1 > ltsp_esound_i386-0.6-k12ltsp.5.4.1 > ltsp_i386-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > ltsp_i386-kernel-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > ltsp_i386-lbe-4.1-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > meld-0.9.2.1-0.fdr.2.1.91 > mknbi-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.2 > perl-Mail-Alias-1.12-0.fdr.3.2 > perl-String-ShellQuote-1.00-0.fdr.7.2 > root-desktop-urls-0.0.8-k12ltsp.0.4.1 > scribus-1.1.6-0.fdr.3.2 > synaptic-0.51-0.fdr.1.2 > up2date-4.3.19-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > verynice-1.1-1.k12ltsp.1.4.0 > yum-2.0.7-1.1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 > > > Official Fedora Core 2 updates > ============================== > abiword-2.0.5-2 > bison-1.875c-1 > cdda2wav-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > cdrecord-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > cups-1.1.20-11.1 > cvs-1.11.17-2 > devhelp-0.9.1-0.2.0 > dhclient-3.0.1rc14-1 > dhcp-3.0.1rc14-1 > dovecot-0.99.10.5-0.FC2 > epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.0 > ethereal-0.10.5-0.2.2 > fam-2.6.10-9.FC2 > finger-0.17-24 > ftp-0.17-21 > gaim-0.81-0.FC2 > GConf2-2.6.0-7 > gimp-2.0.4-0.fc2.1 > gimp-gap-2.0.2-1 > gimp-help-2-0.0.3 > gnome-applets-2.6.2.1-1 > gnome-session-2.6.0-4 > gnumeric-1.2.8-2 > gstreamer-0.8.3-2 > httpd-2.0.50-2.1 > hwdata-0.120-1 > iiimf-11.4-46.1.svn1587 > info-4.7-4 > initscripts-7.55.1-1 > ipsec-tools-0.2.5-4 > jcode.pl-2.13-9.2 > k3b-0.11.12-1 > kcc-2.3-20.1 > kdelibs-3.2.2-6 > kernel-2.6.7-1.494.2.2 > krb5-1.3.3-7 > libbonobo-2.6.2-1 > libgnome-2.6.0-3 > libpng10-1.0.15-5 > libpng-1.2.5-8 > libwnck-2.6.0.1-3 > mailman-2.1.5-7 > man-pages-ja-20040715-3 > mkisofs-2.01-0.a27.4.FC2.1 > mod_dav_svn-1.0.6-1 > mod_python-3.1.3-1.fc2.1 > mod_ssl-2.0.50-2.1 > mozilla-1.7.2-0.2.0 > neon-0.24.7-2.1 > net-tools-1.60-25.1 > nfs-utils-1.0.6-22 > openmotif-2.2.3-4.1 > ORBit2-2.10.0-4 > php-4.3.8-2.1 > ppp-2.4.2-3.FC2.1 > rsync-2.6.2-1 > sox-12.17.4-4.fc2 > squid-2.5.STABLE5-4.fc2 > squirrelmail-1.4.3-1 > strace-4.5.5-1 > subversion-1.0.6-1 > sysstat-5.0.1-4 > system-config-network-1.3.17-0.FC2.1 > texinfo-4.7-4 > tzdata-2004b-1.fc2 > xinitrc-3.42-1 > xorg-x11-6.7.0-5 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Aug 10 12:51:23 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:51:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X windows fails after period of no use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Likely it is a screensaver issue or power management in the motherboard on the terminal. I'd try turning of the motherboard power management first then try turning off the screen saver and see wht happens. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Tim Scholten wrote: > Hi > I am setting up k12ltsp at a private school, every thing is up and running. > Except that when the terminal sits with no activity it will display a screen > of text, the messages on the screen is the exact as when the first boots > right before X window comes up. > > It will sit forever like this, until some one presses a key and it will > return to X Windows > The screen does first go black(monitor is not in standby mode), then after > 5-10min the text will appear > > Thanks for any help/ suggestions > Tim > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and > more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 12:49:13 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:49:13 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: <4394B729-EAA4-11D8-BE07-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <4394B729-EAA4-11D8-BE07-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <33286.10.10.10.10.1046060862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Anyone that has the ISOs care to put up a torrent of them? Might as well use everyone's bandwidth instead of just Eric's. :) My 42K/sec rsync session is proof he's getting hit pretty hard... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 12:52:37 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: <33286.10.10.10.10.1046060862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <4394B729-EAA4-11D8-BE07-003065521B98@pandora.be> <33286.10.10.10.10.1046060862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <33368.10.10.10.10.1092142357.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Sorry for the double post -- but apparently the lightning storm last night sent me back in time a year and a half... My server thought it was Feb 2003, and my email client didn't like it. :) Shawn Powers said: > Anyone that has the ISOs care to put up a torrent of them? Might as well > use everyone's bandwidth instead of just Eric's. :) > > My 42K/sec rsync session is proof he's getting hit pretty hard... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 13:00:50 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP is for? In-Reply-To: <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> Message-ID: <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Huck said: > I just need Mac/XP/thin clients to all login via the K12LTSP and have > /home/ mapped to H:\ You sound like me, Huck, I need to have NIS because I have a bunch of servers splitting the load, but as of now do not *need* LDAP. It's way up on my want list, but for this school year, NIS will do just fine. The "magic tool" for me is pgina.xpasystems.com -- it allows me to authenticate users logging into windows from my linux box (PAM auth) so I don't need LDAP at all. Again, I want it, but don't need it yet. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jritchie at bible.edu Tue Aug 10 13:12:56 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:12:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP is for? In-Reply-To: <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 09:00, Shawn Powers wrote: > Huck said: > > I just need Mac/XP/thin clients to all login via the K12LTSP and have > > /home/ mapped to H:\ > > You sound like me, Huck, I need to have NIS because I have a bunch of > servers splitting the load, but as of now do not *need* LDAP. It's way up > on my want list, but for this school year, NIS will do just fine. > > The "magic tool" for me is pgina.xpasystems.com -- it allows me to > authenticate users logging into windows from my linux box (PAM auth) so I > don't need LDAP at all. Again, I want it, but don't need it yet. I've been getting pgina to work with LDAP and its nice. I added phpldapadmin to allow other people to manage the user database from a website and I'm pretty happy with how it came out. Now if only I could figure out ACLs to lock it down just the way I want to. JSR/ From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Aug 10 13:40:05 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:40:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> Message-ID: good morning We have kinda of an urgent situation. We are running a Summer Tech Academy next week to train our faculty. We are focusing on LTSP for all classes K-6. We ran our computer lab on LTSP 3.x last year and the computer teacher loved it. Here is the problem, Open Office menus are pulling down very very slow. Once in a screen it performs ok. But the mouse movement and reaction of the pull downs is terrible. We did not see this last year. The server is a new one, but same model and specs as last years model. We are now running 4.0.1. any ideas? We are pretty much a full blown LTSP school, but I know the teachers won't stand for this kind of performance. What is different? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Aug 10 13:46:08 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:46:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A567A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Have you made sure that you have a gig-uplink for the server to your hopefully 10/100 client switches?? Then make sure that the NIC's are configured correctly ... then move on to your GUI - disable any unneccesary graphical intensive stuff, as well as anything that may be eating up the CPU usage. Then try it again. How many clients are opening OO when this happens? Would it be caused by CPU load do you think? -----Original Message----- From: Shane Stafford [mailto:staffords at glenburn.net] Sent: 10 August 2004 14:40 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness Importance: High good morning We have kinda of an urgent situation. We are running a Summer Tech Academy next week to train our faculty. We are focusing on LTSP for all classes K-6. We ran our computer lab on LTSP 3.x last year and the computer teacher loved it. Here is the problem, Open Office menus are pulling down very very slow. Once in a screen it performs ok. But the mouse movement and reaction of the pull downs is terrible. We did not see this last year. The server is a new one, but same model and specs as last years model. We are now running 4.0.1. any ideas? We are pretty much a full blown LTSP school, but I know the teachers won't stand for this kind of performance. What is different? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From dharkness at nsd2.com Tue Aug 10 13:46:30 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:46:30 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <40EFF307.2040604@nsd2.com> Shane Stafford wrote: >good morning > >We have kinda of an urgent situation. We are running a Summer Tech >Academy next week to train our faculty. We are focusing on LTSP for all >classes K-6. We ran our computer lab on LTSP 3.x last year and the >computer teacher loved it. > >Here is the problem, Open Office menus are pulling down very very slow. >Once in a screen it performs ok. But the mouse movement and reaction of >the pull downs is terrible. We did not see this last year. The server >is a new one, but same model and specs as last years model. >We are now running 4.0.1. > >any ideas? We are pretty much a full blown LTSP school, but I know the >teachers won't stand for this kind of performance. What is different? >thanks >Shane > > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > shane, what kind of load are you putting on the server? go into the system monitor and see what the CPU and memory load is like. if you are out of memory and it is reduced to using swap space it can have an adverse effect on the system. also, Openoffice is known for its slowness in the initital startup, simply due to the fact that the program does not get loaded into memory during bootup like MIcrosoft office does. however, a possible update to openoffice may increase performance. if it is CPU or memory related, and upgrade to those may help as well. we are running version 4.0 of LTSP and i have noticed that the less people on it, the better it runs for Open office. upgrading RAM helped us increase the speed. From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Aug 10 13:49:11 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:49:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A567A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A567A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Message-ID: Thanks for quick response. Here is some more information LTSP Server -- Gig network card, 4gb memory, Dual Processors 2.4/2.8 xeon, will have to check to be sure, but again, same server as last year, with an improvement of gig network card only one user on and getting this response not sure what else to configure on nics or what unnecessary graphical stuff to disable. System monitor doesn't show a very heavy load thanks shane "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Have you made sure that you have a gig-uplink for the server to your >hopefully 10/100 client switches?? > >Then make sure that the NIC's are configured correctly ... then move on to >your GUI - disable any unneccesary graphical intensive stuff, as well as >anything that may be eating up the CPU usage. > >Then try it again. >How many clients are opening OO when this happens? Would it be caused by >CPU >load do you think? From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Aug 10 13:55:26 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:55:26 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A567B@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> quick response? no problemo :p Hmm ... you should be experiencing _ZERO_ slow down on that system with one user :) It may well be that it hasn't been loaded into memory, and as it's the first run for the application it's naturally going to take a while to load up. Once you've open OO, close it again, then try open a document and test it's responses ... Then close it, and open OO directly (new document sorta thing) and check it out then. Let us know how you get on -----Original Message----- From: Shane Stafford [mailto:staffords at glenburn.net] Sent: 10 August 2004 14:49 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness Thanks for quick response. Here is some more information LTSP Server -- Gig network card, 4gb memory, Dual Processors 2.4/2.8 xeon, will have to check to be sure, but again, same server as last year, with an improvement of gig network card only one user on and getting this response not sure what else to configure on nics or what unnecessary graphical stuff to disable. System monitor doesn't show a very heavy load thanks shane "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Have you made sure that you have a gig-uplink for the server to your >hopefully 10/100 client switches?? > >Then make sure that the NIC's are configured correctly ... then move on to >your GUI - disable any unneccesary graphical intensive stuff, as well as >anything that may be eating up the CPU usage. > >Then try it again. >How many clients are opening OO when this happens? Would it be caused by >CPU >load do you think? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 10 13:52:24 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Shane, The open office menu slowness has been seen may times before. and I think that the fix is quite simple. You might search the k12osn archives, or try searching google. The odd thing is that i've never been able to reproduce the problem, so i've been unable to come up with a fix in the packages. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Shane Stafford wrote: > Thanks for quick response. Here is some more information > LTSP Server -- Gig network card, 4gb memory, Dual Processors 2.4/2.8 > xeon, will have to check to be sure, but again, same server as last year, > with an improvement of gig network card > > only one user on and getting this response > > not sure what else to configure on nics or what unnecessary graphical > stuff to disable. System monitor doesn't show a very heavy load > > thanks > shane > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >Have you made sure that you have a gig-uplink for the server to your > >hopefully 10/100 client switches?? > > > >Then make sure that the NIC's are configured correctly ... then move on to > >your GUI - disable any unneccesary graphical intensive stuff, as well as > >anything that may be eating up the CPU usage. > > > >Then try it again. > >How many clients are opening OO when this happens? Would it be caused by > >CPU > >load do you think? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Aug 10 13:53:16 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:53:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: <40EFF307.2040604@nsd2.com> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > < > < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> < > <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> < > <40EFF307.2040604@nsd2.com> Message-ID: checked system monitor. only one user on. cpu usage around 3-4 percent memory 724 mb of 4gb, with open office being the hog with 67 mb thanks Shane From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 10 13:57:38 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: <33286.10.10.10.10.1046060862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Shawn Powers wrote: >Anyone that has the ISOs care to put up a torrent of them? Might as well >use everyone's bandwidth instead of just Eric's. :) > >My 42K/sec rsync session is proof he's getting hit pretty hard... The Webtrek & University of Hawaii mirrors now have the 4.1.0 isos. http://www.k12ltsp.org/download.html -Eric From thepiano at pandora.be Tue Aug 10 13:59:34 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:59:34 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: <33286.10.10.10.10.1046060862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <4394B729-EAA4-11D8-BE07-003065521B98@pandora.be> <33286.10.10.10.10.1046060862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <82743801-EAD5-11D8-BE07-003065521B98@pandora.be> To all of you, to give Erics servers some rest i've put yhe iso's temporary on our http-server You might get them following this link: http://sint-lutgardis.be/e107/download.php?list.2 Hope i'm offending nobody... Kevin On 24 Feb 2003, at 05:27, Shawn Powers wrote: > Anyone that has the ISOs care to put up a torrent of them? Might as > well > use everyone's bandwidth instead of just Eric's. :) > > My 42K/sec rsync session is proof he's getting hit pretty hard... > > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation > should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From dalen at czexan.net Tue Aug 10 13:59:33 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:59:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <4118D4C5.4000809@czexan.net> Shane Stafford wrote: > good morning > > We have kinda of an urgent situation. We are running a Summer Tech > Academy next week to train our faculty. We are focusing on LTSP for all > classes K-6. We ran our computer lab on LTSP 3.x last year and the > computer teacher loved it. > > Here is the problem, Open Office menus are pulling down very very slow. > Once in a screen it performs ok. But the mouse movement and reaction of > the pull downs is terrible. We did not see this last year. The server > is a new one, but same model and specs as last years model. > We are now running 4.0.1. > > any ideas? We are pretty much a full blown LTSP school, but I know the > teachers won't stand for this kind of performance. What is different? > thanks > Shane Shane, There is a known bug in older versions of OO related to excessive X load during menu redraw. You might want to check archives or google for it or check buzilla at OOo site for your version of OO. IIRC the bug was fixed in newer versions. Thanks, Dale From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 10 14:10:25 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:10:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > < > < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> < > <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> < > <40EFF307.2040604@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <4118D751.8030600@paasda.org> with only 1 user on ... your load really should not be anywhere near 724mb of ram... you got a lot of overhead happening on some process and 67mb isn't it... run 'top' and see if you can find out what is eating up all of your memory... I ran 5 clients with only 768mb total ram and it didn't slow at all... --Huck Shane Stafford wrote: >checked system monitor. >only one user on. > >cpu usage around 3-4 percent >memory 724 mb of 4gb, with open office being the hog with 67 mb > >thanks >Shane > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Aug 10 14:16:15 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:16:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page Message-ID: <4118D8AF.1010704@honeygroveisd.net> Is there a way to set the Mozilla home page for all users on the server? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."-- Oscar Wilde From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 14:20:59 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page In-Reply-To: <4118D8AF.1010704@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4118D8AF.1010704@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <32809.10.10.10.100.1092147659.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Mark Cockrell said: > Is there a way to set the Mozilla home page for all users on the server? I dunno -- but what I did, is make the shortcut (I use IceWM) actually call mozilla with a URL. ie, the launcher actually calls "mozilla http://www.inlandlakes.org" instead of just mozilla. It's a low-tech solution that has worked great so far. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Tue Aug 10 14:25:19 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:25:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A567C@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> cheater :) -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Powers [mailto:spowers at inlandlakes.org] Sent: 10 August 2004 15:21 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page Mark Cockrell said: > Is there a way to set the Mozilla home page for all users on the server? I dunno -- but what I did, is make the shortcut (I use IceWM) actually call mozilla with a URL. ie, the launcher actually calls "mozilla http://www.inlandlakes.org" instead of just mozilla. It's a low-tech solution that has worked great so far. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. 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From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Aug 10 14:23:05 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:23:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page Message-ID: <4118DA49.5070501@honeygroveisd.net> > > >Mark Cockrell said: >> Is there a way to set the Mozilla home page for all users on the server? > >I dunno -- but what I did, is make the shortcut (I use IceWM) actually >call mozilla with a URL. ie, the launcher actually calls "mozilla >http://www.inlandlakes.org" ; instead of just mozilla. It's a low-tech >solution that has worked great so far. :) > >-Shawn > >-- >Shawn Powers >Technology Director >Inland Lakes Schools >PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 >FAX: 509-356-7024 >spowers inlandlakes org >http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > >---- >The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, >forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation >ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or >anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. >Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should >be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > Good idea. Thanks. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot." -- Clarence Thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjetil at knudsen.gs Tue Aug 10 14:39:06 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:39:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page References: <4118D8AF.1010704@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <001f01c47ee7$cc645890$6400a8c0@mobilknut> > Is there a way to set the Mozilla home page for all users on the server? > I did this after reading the content in this link: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-September/msg00335.html Kjetil From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Aug 10 14:46:52 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:46:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office version? In-Reply-To: <001f01c47ee7$cc645890$6400a8c0@mobilknut> References: <4118D8AF.1010704@honeygroveisd.net> <,> <001f01c47ee7$cc645890$6400a8c0@mobilknut> Message-ID: looking to do an open office update on our servers. what version are folks running? I tried just the redhat updater and it errored out on package saying the update file was corrupt. I guess the default in 4.0.1 is 1.1.0-6 and the available update 1.1.0-16 is this what folks are using on their ltsp servers? also, I assume I need the other two update which are open office.org-i18n and openoffice.org-libs thanks Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 14:55:55 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Pgina... In-Reply-To: <4118E007.4020009@paasda.org> References: <4118E007.4020009@paasda.org> Message-ID: <32834.10.10.10.100.1092149755.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Huck said: > This pgina... > when you login via the windows XP prompt...it automatically > authenticates to your K12LTSP box? > so you do not need to create any users on the XP machine at all? Just > your normal K12LTSP accounts? Yes, pgina is incredible, here's my setup: *WindowsXP machine has no local accounts *pgina replaces standard windows login screen *pgina_pam linux daemon runs on linux server (easy to compile) *pgina authenticates via the pgina_pam plugin *account is created on the fly, base on the "Default User" profile on the XP box *you can mount drives automatically with pgina, and I have "My Documents" pointed to "Z:" for my default user profile, so when z: is mounted with pgina at login, the My Documents folder points to, well, their documents. If it was any cooler, it'd be open source. Oh wait, it *is* open source. :) It also supports Terminal Services now, so my "1 windows server to rule them all" and having linux thin clients log into the windows machine for sessions has worked well. (In fact, I can have a single application run from the windows terminal server, and have it appear as if it's running as a linux app... it's SO DARN COOL) BTW, I cc'd this email to the list -- because I'm not sure everyone realizes how great pgina is. Oh, one last thing, make sure you pronounce it "p-geena", as the seemingly phonetic pronunciation raises eyebrows. ;) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jritchie at bible.edu Tue Aug 10 15:07:11 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:07:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Pgina... In-Reply-To: <32834.10.10.10.100.1092149755.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <4118E007.4020009@paasda.org> <32834.10.10.10.100.1092149755.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092150431.26674.259.camel@penguin> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 10:55, Shawn Powers wrote: > *you can mount drives automatically with pgina, and I have "My Documents" > pointed to "Z:" for my default user profile, so when z: is mounted with > pgina at login, the My Documents folder points to, well, their documents. OOHhh... I hadn't heard about that. I'm seeing this coming in very handy. How do you point My Documents to a drive letter? I think I remember seeing the drive mapping in p-gina and thinking, "that's easy". JSR/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 10 15:05:39 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:05:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: <4118D751.8030600@paasda.org> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > < > < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> < > <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> < > <40EFF307.2040604@nsd2.com> <4118D751.8030600@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1092150338.2591.53.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 07:10, Huck wrote: > with only 1 user on ... your load really should not be anywhere near > 724mb of ram... > you got a lot of overhead happening on some process and 67mb isn't it... > run 'top' and see if you can find out what is eating up all of your > memory... Probably just cache. The more ram you have, the more will be used up in cache. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 15:21:59 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Pgina... In-Reply-To: <1092150431.26674.259.camel@penguin> References: <4118E007.4020009@paasda.org><32834.10.10.10.100.1092149755.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092150431.26674.259.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <32866.10.10.10.100.1092151319.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Josiah Ritchie said: > OOHhh... I hadn't heard about that. I'm seeing this coming in very > handy. How do you point My Documents to a drive letter? I think I > remember seeing the drive mapping in p-gina and thinking, "that's easy". My quick process: 0) (zero, because this step is an afterthought, and I didn't want to renumber...) the pgina authentication options are huge. I've NEVER gotten the NIS plugin to work, and it's hosed my computer trying. The pgina_pam plugin is super simple to compile, and runs with almost no footprint on the linux server. It works great. I think the LDAP plugin is the most robust, but I don't have LDAP anywhere, so it's of no use to me. I use pgina_pam. 1) Make account on local computer and log in as that user. "asdf" is usually my account name. :) 2) Set up everything the way you want it. Homepage on IE, background, "My Documents" pointed to z: (you have to temporarily mount z: by hand, and then right click on "My Documents", and set the location to z:) 3) Make any shortcuts you want, etc, etc, etc 4) Log out. 5) Log in as administrator 6) Right click on "My Computer" and click properties 7) In the advanced tab (I think) the middle button is profiles, click that button 8) highlight the profile for the account you just modified 9) click "copy to" and type in: "C:\Documents and Settings\Default User" 10) It will say, "are you sure, that exists" -- say yes. 11) Now, any newly created users will have that setup. I set pgina to NOT save profiles for created users, so everyone is reset to that setup on login. 12) NOTE: This does not manage security. I hate windows security. Deepfreeze is a nice commercial solution to the problem, but I have no idea the best way to manage the security aspect. On my 2003 terminal server, since it's just staff this year, I'm not TOO worried about folks messing with stuff -- but again, I hate windows. Hope that helps! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Aug 10 15:25:06 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:25:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: <1092150338.2591.53.camel@server.ltsp> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> < > < > <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> < > < > < > <40EFF307.2040604@nsd2.com> < > < > <4118D751.8030600@paasda.org> <1092150338.2591.53.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: thanks Eric So if I hear you correct, I should not worry about this level for one user? Or I should check why this level. Thanks so much Shane "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 07:10, Huck wrote: >> with only 1 user on ... your load really should not be anywhere near >> 724mb of ram... >> you got a lot of overhead happening on some process and 67mb isn't it... >> run 'top' and see if you can find out what is eating up all of your >> memory... > >Probably just cache. The more ram you have, the more will be used up >in cache. > >-Eric > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From lewis at pcc.com Tue Aug 10 15:11:54 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:11:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum and apt-get problem Message-ID: <9D4964DA-EADF-11D8-906C-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> At some point in the last few weeks both yum and apt-get had their repository information nuked. So now the only items list in the sources point to fedora and macromedia but not the ltsp stuff. I should point out that I am using 4.0 If anyone could send me /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mirror-select.list or the yum equivalent that would be wonderful. Thanks --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 10 15:35:34 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:35:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> < > < > <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> < > < > < > <40EFF307.2040604@nsd2.com> < > < > <4118D751.8030600@paasda.org> <1092150338.2591.53.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1092152133.2591.66.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 08:25, Shane Stafford wrote: > thanks Eric > So if I hear you correct, I should not worry about this level for one > user? Or I should check why this level. > Thanks so much > Shane If you are not swapping, you probably don't need to worry about it. There are two of us logged into my LTSP server at the moment (both of us memory hogs ;-) and I'm seeing almost a gig of ram being used. But if you take a closer look, you'll note that ~500M of that is buffers & cache: [eharrison at ltsp eharrison]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2074724 994368 1080356 0 323320 195120 -/+ buffers/cache: 475928 1598796 Swap: 2039800 0 2039800 Rather than having unused ram go to waste, Linux makes a huge cache out of it. If you need the ram for applications, it just automatically makes the cache smaller. -Eric > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 07:10, Huck wrote: > >> with only 1 user on ... your load really should not be anywhere near > >> 724mb of ram... > >> you got a lot of overhead happening on some process and 67mb isn't it... > >> run 'top' and see if you can find out what is eating up all of your > >> memory... > > > >Probably just cache. The more ram you have, the more will be used up > >in cache. > > > >-Eric > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jritchie at bible.edu Tue Aug 10 15:43:43 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:43:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Pgina... In-Reply-To: <32866.10.10.10.100.1092151319.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <4118E007.4020009@paasda.org> <32834.10.10.10.100.1092149755.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092150431.26674.259.camel@penguin> <32866.10.10.10.100.1092151319.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092152622.26667.272.camel@penguin> Thanks, that's some good little windows admin tips there. I'll be making use of it. JSR/ On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 11:21, Shawn Powers wrote: > Josiah Ritchie said: > > OOHhh... I hadn't heard about that. I'm seeing this coming in very > > handy. How do you point My Documents to a drive letter? I think I > > remember seeing the drive mapping in p-gina and thinking, "that's easy". > > My quick process: > > 0) (zero, because this step is an afterthought, and I didn't want to > renumber...) the pgina authentication options are huge. I've NEVER > gotten the NIS plugin to work, and it's hosed my computer trying. The > pgina_pam plugin is super simple to compile, and runs with almost no > footprint on the linux server. It works great. I think the LDAP plugin > is the most robust, but I don't have LDAP anywhere, so it's of no use to > me. I use pgina_pam. > 1) Make account on local computer and log in as that user. "asdf" is > usually my account name. :) > 2) Set up everything the way you want it. Homepage on IE, background, "My > Documents" pointed to z: (you have to temporarily mount z: by hand, and > then right click on "My Documents", and set the location to z:) > 3) Make any shortcuts you want, etc, etc, etc > 4) Log out. > 5) Log in as administrator > 6) Right click on "My Computer" and click properties > 7) In the advanced tab (I think) the middle button is profiles, click that > button > 8) highlight the profile for the account you just modified > 9) click "copy to" and type in: "C:\Documents and Settings\Default User" > 10) It will say, "are you sure, that exists" -- say yes. > 11) Now, any newly created users will have that setup. I set pgina to NOT > save profiles for created users, so everyone is reset to that setup on > login. > 12) NOTE: This does not manage security. I hate windows security. > Deepfreeze is a nice commercial solution to the problem, but I have no > idea the best way to manage the security aspect. On my 2003 terminal > server, since it's just staff this year, I'm not TOO worried about folks > messing with stuff -- but again, I hate windows. > > Hope that helps! > > -Shawn From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 15:43:55 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) Message-ID: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Those of you that are *using* a thin client on a daily basis -- how do you solve the problem of burning CDs? I haven't thought of anything elegant -- but here's what I do: I have a computer near my desk that is running fedora, and has a CDRW drive in it. I have an SSH keypair set up, and I always download isos to a spot on that computer's hard drive (all via commandline SSH) -- then, to burn (I'm a gui burning bloke) I start k3b at the commandline, and it launches on my thin client's desktop. I then burn the isos... How do other people handle this? Does everyone else just use a "full" computer? Just curious, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 10 15:50:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:50:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4118EED2.10807@paasda.org> I *cough* burn it with Roxio or Nero on my windows '98 machine since my XP workstation doesn't have a burner yet and my k12ltsp server is burnerless as well and really don't want to waste any HD space for iso's =) unfortunately I don't think there is 'rsync' for win '98...so I end up having to DL the entire ISO ever time :( --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: >Those of you that are *using* a thin client on a daily basis -- how do you >solve the problem of burning CDs? I haven't thought of anything elegant >-- but here's what I do: > >I have a computer near my desk that is running fedora, and has a CDRW >drive in it. I have an SSH keypair set up, and I always download isos to >a spot on that computer's hard drive (all via commandline SSH) -- then, to >burn (I'm a gui burning bloke) I start k3b at the commandline, and it >launches on my thin client's desktop. I then burn the isos... > >How do other people handle this? Does everyone else just use a "full" >computer? > >Just curious, >-Shawn > > > > From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Aug 10 16:18:13 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:18:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF3F@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers >> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:21 AM >> >> Mark Cockrell said: >> > Is there a way to set the Mozilla home page for all users >> > on the server? >> >> I dunno -- but what I did, is make the shortcut (I use >> IceWM) actually call mozilla with a URL. ie, the launcher >> actually calls "mozilla http://www.inlandlakes.org" instead >> of just mozilla. It's a low-tech solution that has worked >> great so far. :) The problem being, of course, that as soon as someone hits the [Home] button (or does an ), they don't go to your home page. -- Henry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 10 16:28:31 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:28:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1092155310.2591.78.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 06:40, Shane Stafford wrote: > good morning > > We have kinda of an urgent situation. We are running a Summer Tech > Academy next week to train our faculty. We are focusing on LTSP for all > classes K-6. We ran our computer lab on LTSP 3.x last year and the > computer teacher loved it. > > Here is the problem, Open Office menus are pulling down very very slow. > Once in a screen it performs ok. But the mouse movement and reaction of > the pull downs is terrible. We did not see this last year. The server > is a new one, but same model and specs as last years model. > We are now running 4.0.1. > > any ideas? We are pretty much a full blown LTSP school, but I know the > teachers won't stand for this kind of performance. What is different? > thanks > Shane Shane, any chance your terminals are using S3 video cards? If yes, try using different video drivers. In /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, try each of the following (one at a time): XSERVER = s3 XSERVER = XF86_S3 XSERVER = XF86_SVGA XSERVER = vesa -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 10 17:32:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:32:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092159131.19476.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 10:43, Shawn Powers wrote: > I have a computer near my desk that is running fedora, and has a CDRW > drive in it. I have an SSH keypair set up, and I always download isos to > a spot on that computer's hard drive (all via commandline SSH) -- then, to > burn (I'm a gui burning bloke) I start k3b at the commandline, and it > launches on my thin client's desktop. I then burn the isos... If you have a recent 'burnproof' drive or keep the speed down to 16x or so you shouldn't have any trouble burning from a network mount. At home I usually download to a linux box, then burn from a nearby windows PC that has the CDRW using a samba mount. At work I normally use the command line cdrecord program with the image either local or over an NFS mount. It's not worth starting a GUI to save typing: cdrecord -dev=2,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -eject iso_filename (or the shell wrapper with $1 in the filename position...). In both cases I use rsync as my preferred download method if it is available from the server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Aug 10 17:37:14 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:37:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Development/Alumni/Fundraising Database In-Reply-To: <20040805184654.69FDB7328F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040805184654.69FDB7328F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1092159434.18373.42.camel@phoenix> Has anyone had any luck getting either Razors Edge, or Admissions and Registrars Office (Now Education Edge) running under wine? My school also runs Blackbaud products (I guess fortunately, Blackbaud's offices in Charleston are only 2 hours away... haven't had to go yet though...), and we are considering Razor's edge, especially since it ties in with the existing grading system (Admissions and Registrars Office). I'm still cleaning up configuration mess from 2 years ago (I took over the system last summer). -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org > From: Jim Kronebusch > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Development/Alumni/Fundraising Database > Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:51:52 -0500 > > > Razor's Edge by chance? =) > > IF so...there isn't an open source solution that comes close(not that > > one couldn't be built by those with the knowledge) > > but Razor's Edge pretty much kicks butt for that > > development/alumni/fundraising etc.. > > After a quick google search I found > http://www.blackbaud.com/solutions/raisersedge.asp but where do I buy > it? How much does it cost roughly? Or is this a call them and they > will tailor a cost to who you are? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > From jkinz at kinz.org Tue Aug 10 17:53:05 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:53:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <4118EED2.10807@paasda.org>; from dhuckaby@paasda.org on Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:50:42AM -0700 References: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <4118EED2.10807@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20040810135304.A10700@redline.comcast.net> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 08:50:42AM -0700, Huck wrote: > unfortunately I don't think there is 'rsync' for win '98...so I end up > having to DL the entire ISO ever time :( Check the cygwin package from RedHat. Its aport of all the GNU stuff and more onto windows. Used to be done by Cygnus, who was purchased by RH. It may have the sync tool. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue Aug 10 17:56:08 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:56:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <4118EED2.10807@paasda.org> References: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <4118EED2.10807@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41190C38.4070608@physics.isu.edu> Huck wrote: > unfortunately I don't think there is 'rsync' for win '98...so I end up > having to DL the entire ISO ever time :( > > --Huck > To go slightly more OT in the interest of saving bandwidth, you may try cwrsync, they say it works on win98, but haven't tried it. http://www.itefix.no/cwrsync/ A good, but older HOWTO site for rsync on windows is http://optics.ph.unimelb.edu.au/help/rsync/rsync_pc1.html They now recommend using cwrsync. Some people have mentioned using web based cd-burning interface on the thin clients, which uses the burner on a standalone cndburning workstation or the k12ltsp server on this list to the past, but I don't remember the name of the package, but I haven't looked at the wiki or the archives yet. Ben From nbs at sonic.net Tue Aug 10 17:57:15 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:57:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <20040810135304.A10700@redline.comcast.net> References: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <4118EED2.10807@paasda.org> <20040810135304.A10700@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040810175715.GD5560@sonic.net> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 01:53:05PM -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: > Check the cygwin package from RedHat. Its aport of all the GNU stuff > and more onto windows. Used to be done by Cygnus, who was purchased by > RH. It may have the sync tool. It certainly does! (I'm on WinXP on my work laptop): $ rsync --version rsync version 2.5.6 protocol version 26 Copyright (C) 1996-2002 by Andrew Tridgell and others Capabilities: 64-bit files, socketpairs, hard links, symlinks, batchfiles, no IPv6, 64-bit system inums, 64-bit internal inums rsync comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. See the GNU General Public Licence for details. -bill From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 10 19:40:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:40:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <41190C38.4070608@physics.isu.edu> References: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <4118EED2.10807@paasda.org> <41190C38.4070608@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1092166828.19476.45.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 12:56, Ben Nickell wrote: > > unfortunately I don't think there is 'rsync' for win '98...so I end up > > having to DL the entire ISO ever time :( > > > To go slightly more OT in the interest of saving bandwidth, you may try > cwrsync, they say it works on win98, but haven't tried it. > > http://www.itefix.no/cwrsync/ Or, just download the whole cygwin package from http://www.cygwin.com (do a basic install first, then go back and expand the 'net' choices and get ssh and rsync). Anyone set up for thin clients should also install X11 on any windows box they want to use as a client. Just start a cygwin bash shell from the icon it will install and type in: Xwin -query your_server and log in. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Aug 10 19:50:07 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:50:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: <1092155310.2591.78.camel@server.ltsp> References: <4117D984.8080706@paasda.org> < > < > < > < > <4117FEA3.5090307@paasda.org> < > < > <33459.10.10.10.10.1092142850.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> < > <1092143472.26674.242.camel@penguin> < > <1092155310.2591.78.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: Eric, you got it. XServer=s3 worked. Odd thing is we had 80 machines from State of Maine Surplus that cost us $22 each and they worked great, but we had to do a little bit for each in lts.conf. That was with 3.x ltsp. Moving to 4.0.1 everything just booted up fine, no issues. So, we had not needed any conf file edits, this one seems to speed up the pull downs a lot. I may try the others, but for now the =s3 worked much better. Many thanks!!! Shane Shane, any chance your terminals are using S3 video cards? If yes, try using different video drivers. In /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf, try each of the following (one at a time): XSERVER = s3 XSERVER = XF86_S3 XSERVER = XF86_SVGA XSERVER = vesa -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 10 19:54:06 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Burning CDs (Slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <1092166828.19476.45.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <32915.10.10.10.100.1092152635.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org><4118EED2.10807@paasda.org> <41190C38.4070608@physics.isu.edu> <1092166828.19476.45.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <33179.10.10.10.100.1092167646.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> For the first time in my career -- I can happily say that I have NO Windows machines in my office. BOY that feels good. (Yes, I have one Windows Terminal Server in the next room, but thats for everyone, not just me. :) I might get and old donated computer, put a CDRW in it, and let it live under my desk running linux. I'll use it to burn CDs, but switch to commandline instead of gui-over-ssh, that seems pretty easy... Thanks all! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mellax at pm.ee Tue Aug 10 20:39:35 2004 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:39:35 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Open Office version? In-Reply-To: <20040810145613.AC53773C46@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040810145613.AC53773C46@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41193287.8010808@pm.ee> > what version are folks running? I use latest. I.e 1.1.2 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Aug 11 15:47:48 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:47:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Antivirus program for Linux Message-ID: <001601c47fba$8dda38f0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I am about to install k12ltsp 4.1.0 Should I be running any antivirus program with this? I am afraid of picking up viruses through email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd recommend clam-av (because it's the only one I know anything about): http://www.clamav.net/ -- Henry From ph at panamahank.com Tue Aug 10 23:23:03 2004 From: ph at panamahank.com (Hank) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:23:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness Message-ID: <200408101823.03173.ph@panamahank.com> "Here is the problem, Open Office menus are pulling down very very slow. Once in a screen it performs ok. But the mouse movement and reaction of the pull downs is terrible. We did not see this last year. The server is a new one, but same model and specs as last years model. We are now running 4.0.1." I recently had the same problem with a stand alone computer, but it was only for one user. In that case, I cured the problem by deleting the OpenOffice.org directory in the user's home directory and reinstalling. Hope that helps. Hank From jcphill at psci.net Wed Aug 11 02:57:03 2004 From: jcphill at psci.net (jim phillips) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:57:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] X windows fails after period of no use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092193023.2135.7.camel@big.ox.com> I just installed k12ltsp4.1 and have the same behavior on one client. If you fix it, please share the wisdom. I'll do the same. jcphill On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 07:51, Doug Simpson wrote: > Likely it is a screensaver issue or power management in the motherboard on > the terminal. I'd try turning of the motherboard power management first > then try turning off the screen saver and see wht happens. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Tim Scholten wrote: > > > Hi > > I am setting up k12ltsp at a private school, every thing is up and running. > > Except that when the terminal sits with no activity it will display a screen > > of text, the messages on the screen is the exact as when the first boots > > right before X window comes up. > > > > It will sit forever like this, until some one presses a key and it will > > return to X Windows > > The screen does first go black(monitor is not in standby mode), then after > > 5-10min the text will appear > > > > Thanks for any help/ suggestions > > Tim > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and > > more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bimalp at indoasian.com Wed Aug 11 03:02:53 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 11 Aug 2004 08:32:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness Message-ID: <1092193373.3875.15.camel@server.ltsp> dear list user's and dear daniel "OH!!!, i forget to add the attachment ;) " here is my experience with the performance of the applications for the users... (also the file is attached) i have the following server setup:- 1)AMD athlon 2000Xp+, 2GHz 2)1GB RAM 3)40 GB, 7200rpm, IDE HDD 4)10 users 5)10/100 RTL3189(Compex) lan card, with bootROM 6)10/100 Switch(Compex) 7)Applications:- OO,Evolution mail,gedit,opera/mozilla 8)GNOME as desktop manager hope my experience will help. regards, bimal USER APPLICATION PERFORMANCE Normal Time(seconds) Open Office Writer Direct(click on OO) 5 ? 7 Single file after OO 5 ? 7 Second file 3 Third file 3 File --> print Dial. 3 Print dial. -->Print Name selec. Name sele. --> page/sele. OK --> Buffer 50 Buffer --> pg-1 Buffer --> pg2 @7 Buffer --> pg3 @7 Excel Direct(click on OO) 5 ? 7 Single file after OO 5 ? 7 Second file 3 Third file 3 File --> print Dial. 3 Print dial. -->Name selec. Name sele. --> page/sele. OK --> Buffer 50 Buffer --> pg-1 Buffer --> pg2 @7 Buffer --> pg3 @7 Evolution Evol. Open 3 Email Open 2 New Email Open 2 Address(auto) 3 ? 4 Address ? Find 4 ? 5 Email Print(File --> Print) 40 Geditor Open 2 File Open 2 File --> print Dial. 3 print Dial. -->Name selec. Name sele. --> page/sele. OK --> Buffer 6 Buffer --> pg-1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ltsp_pkg_performance_benchmark.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 11776 bytes Desc: URL: From bimalp at indoasian.com Wed Aug 11 02:55:37 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 11 Aug 2004 08:25:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness In-Reply-To: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A567B@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A567B@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Message-ID: <1092192937.3875.10.camel@server.ltsp> dear list user's and dear daniel here is my experience with the performance of the applications for the users... (also the file is attached) i have the following server setup:- 1)AMD athlon 2000Xp+, 2GHz 2)1GB RAM 3)40 GB, 7200rpm, IDE HDD 4)10 users 5)10/100 RTL3189(Compex) lan card, with bootROM 6)10/100 Switch(Compex) 7)Applications:- OO,Evolution mail,gedit,opera/mozilla 8)GNOME as desktop manager hope my experience will help. regards, bimal On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 19:25, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > quick response? no problemo :p > > Hmm ... you should be experiencing _ZERO_ slow down on that system with one > user :) > It may well be that it hasn't been loaded into memory, and as it's the first > run for the application it's naturally going to take a while to load up. > Once you've open OO, close it again, then try open a document and test it's > responses ... > > Then close it, and open OO directly (new document sorta thing) and check it > out then. > Let us know how you get on > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Stafford [mailto:staffords at glenburn.net] > Sent: 10 August 2004 14:49 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Open Office Slowness > > > Thanks for quick response. Here is some more information > LTSP Server -- Gig network card, 4gb memory, Dual Processors 2.4/2.8 > xeon, will have to check to be sure, but again, same server as last year, > with an improvement of gig network card > > only one user on and getting this response > > not sure what else to configure on nics or what unnecessary graphical > stuff to disable. System monitor doesn't show a very heavy load > > thanks > shane > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >Have you made sure that you have a gig-uplink for the server to your > >hopefully 10/100 client switches?? > > > >Then make sure that the NIC's are configured correctly ... then move on to > >your GUI - disable any unneccesary graphical intensive stuff, as well as > >anything that may be eating up the CPU usage. > > > >Then try it again. > >How many clients are opening OO when this happens? Would it be caused by > >CPU > >load do you think? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ====================================================== > This email and any attached files are confidential and may > be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. > Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. > If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, > copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately > by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie > and then delete this email. > Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free > as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, > arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore > does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents > of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage > suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. > If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bimalp at indoasian.com Wed Aug 11 03:26:58 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 11 Aug 2004 08:56:58 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Editing Gnome menus In-Reply-To: <4117E1E8.2040401@criticalcontrol.com> References: <1092077931.10267.2.camel@enterprise> <4117CB90.20705@criticalcontrol.com> <1092083776.10390.0.camel@enterprise> <4117E1E8.2040401@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1092194818.3875.29.camel@server.ltsp> dear all, here is my document for your use... hope this will help. further dear Gavin, with reference to your mail saying as "If anyone has any more HOWTOz please eMail me & ill do my best to put them up where everyone can get @ them... " i am sending this so that you can post it for EVERYBODY's HELP regards bimal > Trond M?hlum wrote: > > >man, 09.08.2004 kl. 21.08 skrev Pete: > > > > > >>Trond M?hlum wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Is there a simple way of editing the gnome start menu for all users? I > >>>would like to remove some programs, so that the users only have access > >>>to what they really need... This is on K12LTSP 4.0.1 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Depends on what version of gnome your using 2.4 or 2.6? > >> > >> > > > >The one that came with K12LTSP 4.0.1 as default... Not sure if it's 2.4 > >or 2.6... > > > >Trond > > > > > > > >>Peter > >> > >> > See the follow-up mails in > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2003-September/msg00036.html > > 2.4 has a lot of ERRORS ! > > Items like "Run Application..." are hardcoded inside gnome 2.4 > > > Things are better in gnome 2.6 see gnome.org doc for latest menu stuff. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- This is the customization process for a user "user1" in gnome environment i took help from "http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/rh8menu.html" site a lot of thanks to mknepher at bluethingy.com(in fact his name was not there!!) i am using redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2 Why? ---- In fact i had installed LTSP server and wanted that the gnome desktop should be customized per user, as i searched the net and got a few valuable links(like above) which helped me to get my work done, so i thought to give back "The NET Community" so that they can get releif while doing the same task. How I did This? --------------- [root at localhost root]# useradd user1 [root at localhost root]# passwd ****** < do confirmation > [root at localhost root]# cd /home/user1/.gnome2 NOTE:- IN CASE YOU DON'T GET THIS DIRECTORY DON'T GET PANICKED, AS THIS MEANS YOU DID'NT LOGGED IN AS THIS USER SO JUST LOGIN AS THIS USER(user1) ONCE AND THIS AND OTHER DIRECTORIES WILL GET CREATED AUTOMATICALLY!! [root at localhost .gnome2]# mkdir -p vfolders/applications [root at localhost .gnome2]# cd vfolders [root at localhost vfolders]# cp /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info NOTE:- this is "applications.vfolder-info" and NOT "applications.vfolders-info" [root at localhost vfolders]# cd applications [root at localhost applications]# cp /usr/share/applications/*.desktop . NOTE:- i.e copy "/usr/share/applications/*.desktop" in this(applications) directory [root at localhost applications]# cd .. [root at localhost vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info AND EDIT AS PER YOUR REQUIREMENT!! HERE I AM GIVING MY CUSTOMIZED ENTRIES WHICH REDUCED THE DESKTOP MENU TO A GREAT EXTANT!! CONTENTS OF "applications.vfolder-info" ************************* YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE BELOW GIVEN ENTRIES ****************************** /usr/share/applications /etc/X11/applnk /usr/share/gnome/apps /usr/share/applnk /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ /usr/share/desktop-menu-files Applications Applications.directory gnome-search-tool.desktop gnome-network-scheme.desktop Core Merged Internet Internet.directory redhat-web.desktop net-gaim.desktop redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop X-Red-Hat-Base Application Network Office Office.directory redhat-drawing.desktop redhat-diagrams.desktop redhat-math.desktop openoffice-printeradmin.desktop codefactory-mrproject.desktop X-Red-Hat-Base Application Office Graphics Graphics.directory net-xpdf.desktop Other Other.directory Application Settings X-Red-Hat-Base-Only X-Red-Hat-Base ************************** YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE ABOVE ENTRIES ******************************* one should also remember that there may be some link file(s) (of additionally installed packages) , so you need to create that link accordingly as i did :- ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-drawing.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-email.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-email.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-math.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-math.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-presentations.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-presentations.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-web.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-web.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-word-processor.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-word-processor.desktop in case you may not be knowing the name of the menu/submenu as to which you want to exclude, as the actual name may be different to the what you are getting in the menu e.g. in the main menu under "internet" menu you will see "Mozilla Web Browser" while in applications directory(that you created) you wont find any thing, even containing this name(Mozilla) so the way out is just hover your curser on that menu and see what is the "comment" it is showing to you as in this example, when you hover the curser over "Mozilla Web Browser" you will get "Browse the internet" message/comment so just do [root at localhost applications]# grep "Browse the Internet" * this will give you redhat-web.desktop:Comment=Browse the Internet so you have to exclude "redhat-web.desktop" similarly can search and include/exclude others!! So far i hope this will help atleast one person in this world !! well i am not a programmer and XML is a black box for me so no help in this matter, i am just a linux enthusiast!! Bimal Pandit NOTE:- pls mail me in case someone need further help and if i can i will!! here are my email id's :- bimalp at indoasian.com, hello_bee at rediffmail.com, hello_bee at indiatimes.com other useful link http://gnome.org/learn/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Aug 11 10:36:36 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:36:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] bootable nic Message-ID: <4119F6B4.90208@msln.net> What is a bootable nic that works out of the box? I ordered 10 intel 1000mt cards that start to boot then kernel panic because they seem to lose themselves. I'm sure there is a solution, but time is short! I'm running 3.1.2 Thanks -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Aug 11 11:10:00 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:10:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source, Open Office, Linux in Education and in the News In-Reply-To: <1092194818.3875.29.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1092077931.10267.2.camel@enterprise> < > <4117CB90.20705@criticalcontrol.com> < > <1092083776.10390.0.camel@enterprise> < > <4117E1E8.2040401@criticalcontrol.com> <1092194818.3875.29.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: First many thanks to all those helping with our Open Office issues yesterday. We are about to host the first summer Glenburn Technology Academy here in Glenburn, Maine. We have trained 6 instructors in various aspects of Linux and Open Office and will be offering classes to our faculty during next week. We have assembled a nice conference binder for the week with help files, FAQs, class handouts etc. What I would like add is a section on articles about Open Source, Open Office, Linux, K12 LTSP, or LTSP in education (or in business) from online news sources. I want the faculty to be able to read about how schools and businesses are increasingly using these resources. If you want to backchannel them to me, I can post a comprehensive list of the submissions later in the week. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Aug 11 11:48:52 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:48:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] bootable nic In-Reply-To: <4119F6B4.90208@msln.net>; from gumprechtm@msln.net on Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:36:36AM -0400 References: <4119F6B4.90208@msln.net> Message-ID: <20040811074852.A18141@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:36:36AM -0400, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > What is a bootable nic that works out of the box? I ordered 10 intel > 1000mt cards that start to boot then kernel panic because they seem to > lose themselves. I'm sure there is a solution, but time is short! I'm > running 3.1.2 > Thanks > These worked fine for me. Stuck them in a number of old machines.: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100003.html?id=juYguHdq Note: these are 100MBIT cards. Not 1000. This endorsement is based on past experience. Things change. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 11 14:14:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues Message-ID: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Apparently the things I tested in beta were not the things I should have been testing... Because now I'm installing 4.1.0 -- and I'm running into troublesome issues... Anyone have suggestions: 1) I like kdm, with the login/password dialog on the same screen. I always use kdm, but now, in the kdm configuration (in kcontrol) I don't have the option to remove the sessions I don't want (ie, everything but icewm) Is there a new configuration place for this? I don't even see "Reset your Desktop" as an option in kdm. 2) I guess that was it -- but #1 involves several issues, the "Reset Desktop" session is gone, and I can't disable everything but IceWM. IN FACT, IceWM isn't even an option in kdm anymore... Were there drastic changes in the way kdm behaves? I have gotten rid of kdm and gdm, so that xdm is used -- but it doesn't have the option (of course) to reset desktop either... Man I wish I would have tested the Beta differently... :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Aug 11 14:50:34 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:50:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Antivirus program for Linux In-Reply-To: <001601c47fba$8dda38f0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <001601c47fba$8dda38f0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <1092235834.30970.1.camel@localhost> You probably don't need anti-virus if you are running only Linux. If you're just running a normal K12LTSP network you probably don't need antivirus running. There are VERY few virusi (sp?) for Linux. If you're running a mailserver that serves to windows machines you might want to use ClamAV or Vexira Linux Mail Server edition. Good luck. -Calvin On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 11:47, Krsnendu wrote: > I am about to install k12ltsp 4.1.0 > > Should I be running any antivirus program with this? I am afraid of > picking up viruses through email. > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Aug 11 15:11:55 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:11:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF50@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> Calvin Park >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:51 AM >> >> There are VERY few virusi (sp?) for Linux. Since K12LTSP is targeted at the education community... The plural of virus is viruses. Full Stop (that means period in some locales). http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html -- Henry From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Aug 11 15:54:48 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:54:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues Message-ID: <20040811155448.PEMY27280.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I've got the same problem trying to use gdm On k12ltsp 3.x i would just remove execute permissions from /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions from the window managers i didn't want. That doesn't seem to work now. Like you I also want only IceWm available. I don't this is really a bug that I should have tested, but a change in the way things are configured. Anyone know where to set this up on 4.1 ? Luis > > From: "Shawn Powers" > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed AM 10:14:34 EDT > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues > > Apparently the things I tested in beta were not the things I should have > been testing... Because now I'm installing 4.1.0 -- and I'm running into > troublesome issues... Anyone have suggestions: > > 1) I like kdm, with the login/password dialog on the same screen. I > always use kdm, but now, in the kdm configuration (in kcontrol) I don't > have the option to remove the sessions I don't want (ie, everything but > icewm) Is there a new configuration place for this? I don't even see > "Reset your Desktop" as an option in kdm. > > 2) I guess that was it -- but #1 involves several issues, the "Reset > Desktop" session is gone, and I can't disable everything but IceWM. IN > FACT, IceWM isn't even an option in kdm anymore... > > Were there drastic changes in the way kdm behaves? I have gotten rid of > kdm and gdm, so that xdm is used -- but it doesn't have the option (of > course) to reset desktop either... > > Man I wish I would have tested the Beta differently... :) > > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Aug 11 15:57:04 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:57:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF50@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF50@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1092239823.30970.5.camel@localhost> I shall never again be plagued by that question. Thank you. :) On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 11:11, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > >> Calvin Park > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:51 AM > >> > >> There are VERY few virusi (sp?) for Linux. > > Since K12LTSP is targeted at the education community... > > The plural of virus is viruses. Full Stop (that means > period in some locales). > > http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Aug 11 16:06:17 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:06:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF50@remail2.westat.com>; from henryhartley@westat.com on Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:11:55AM -0400 References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF50@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20040811120617.B18141@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:11:55AM -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > >> Calvin Park > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:51 AM Henry - you can fix your email client so it quotes properly, see: outlook express: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ To fix Outlook: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ > >> There are VERY few virusi (sp?) for Linux. > > Since K12LTSP is targeted at the education community... > The plural of virus is viruses. > > http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html Both virus and viri are correct and will be understood. (despite my enormous respect for Rick Moen) Viri may be better because its shorter. Correct language usage is always determined by common usage and common usage is always, everchanging. One of my favorite quotes: "If anybody ever tells you that you're using the language incorrectly, just yell 'prescriptive grammarian!' at the top of your voice and all the linguists in the building will run over and surround the guy' and then they'll rough him up." -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 11 16:09:16 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:09:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 07:14, Shawn Powers wrote: > Apparently the things I tested in beta were not the things I should have > been testing... Because now I'm installing 4.1.0 -- and I'm running into > troublesome issues... Anyone have suggestions: > > 1) I like kdm, with the login/password dialog on the same screen. I > always use kdm, but now, in the kdm configuration (in kcontrol) I don't > have the option to remove the sessions I don't want (ie, everything but > icewm) Is there a new configuration place for this? I don't even see > "Reset your Desktop" as an option in kdm. > > 2) I guess that was it -- but #1 involves several issues, the "Reset > Desktop" session is gone, and I can't disable everything but IceWM. IN > FACT, IceWM isn't even an option in kdm anymore... > > Were there drastic changes in the way kdm behaves? I have gotten rid of > kdm and gdm, so that xdm is used -- but it doesn't have the option (of > course) to reset desktop either... KDM did indeed make a change that none of us caught. I've fixed IceWM and will start work on "Reset Desktop". The updated IceWM has already been added to the update repository. I don't see an option to change sessions in kcontrol. You can do it the "manual" way by removing the sessions you don't want from /usr/share/xessions/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Aug 11 16:16:11 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:16:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002001c47fbe$86156780$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All, This hasn't been a problem 'yet' as I currently use v4.0.0 but I wanted to use IceWM as the default & couldn't work out how to do it last time, so I just removed the files that pointed to the other session types (after backing them up) And changed the default session file to point to IceWM.. I Know it is a very dirty manual way of doing thingz but it worked for me & @ the time and even now I don't/didn't know of a nice GUI based way of changing it... If you would like to know how I did it, please ask 'ON' list & ill see if I can did up the Docz I made... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 11 16:24:29 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <32905.10.10.10.10.1092241469.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison said: > KDM did indeed make a change that none of us caught. I'm beginning to wonder *what* exactly I did test in the beta... :) I can't get the openoffice script to make .doc the default format. It runs, but doesn't make the change... I really apologize for not being a more useful beta tester... Hindsight is 20/20. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Aug 11 16:42:58 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:42:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF51@remail2.westat.com> Jeff Kinz wrote: > > Henry - you can fix your email client so it quotes properly, see: > outlook express: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ > To fix Outlook: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ Very useful. Thanks. I'm tired of having to manually rearrange mail. > Both virus and viri are correct and will be understood. (despite my > enormous respect for Rick Moen) > > Viri may be better because its shorter. > > Correct language usage is always determined by common usage and common > usage is always, everchanging. While in time misspellings may come into common usage and become "correct" I don't think we're there yet with viri. Also, the source of "common usage" may matter here. If "common usage" were the only criterion and if email and Usenet were a significant source of "common usage" then the distinction between they're/their/there, to/too, its/it's, etc. would have disappeared long ago. They have not. The proper plural of virus is viruses. Viri is not correct and won't be for some time (if ever). Understandable, yes. Correct, no. > One of my favorite quotes: > "If anybody ever tells you that you're using the language incorrectly, > just yell 'prescriptive grammarian!' at the top of your voice and all > the linguists in the building will run over and surround the guy' and > then they'll rough him up." Words matter. What you say and how you say it will determine how you are judged by others. You don't have to like it but using words correctly pays in the end. In an old Dilbert (as best I can remember) Dilbert is explaining how language changes and says that if enough intellectuals use a word incorrectly long enough it becomes common usage and then is considered correct. Dogbert replies that what we need is smarter intellectuals. -- Henry From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Wed Aug 11 16:53:01 2004 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:53:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NT Services for MAC -> netatalk (OT?) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040811095301.01150858@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> Hi All, I am transfering all Mac files from NT Services for MAC to netatalk, but I'm having trouble with the Resource Fork. Is it possible to transfer the NT's Resource Fork to a .AppleDouble via smb? I was able to transfer the Data Fork fine, but I cannot find the Resource Fork. Right now I'm re-transfering every file from NT afp to Linux afp via a mac and that works, but it's an old mac, and going very slowly. Any suggestions? --thanks --joe o'brien --Meridian School District From nbs at sonic.net Wed Aug 11 17:03:02 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:03:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source, Open Office, Linux in Education and in the News In-Reply-To: References: <1092077931.10267.2.camel@enterprise> <4117CB90.20705@criticalcontrol.com> <1092083776.10390.0.camel@enterprise> <4117E1E8.2040401@criticalcontrol.com> <1092194818.3875.29.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040811170302.GE16083@sonic.net> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 07:10:00AM -0400, Shane Stafford wrote: > What I would like add is a section on articles about Open Source, Open > Office, Linux, K12 LTSP, or LTSP in education (or in business) from online > news sources. I want the faculty to be able to read about how schools > and businesses are increasingly using these resources. I have a small list of such articles on my LUG's "Reasons to Avoid Microsoft" page. You can see them here: http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/?filter=linux Some example titles: Mississippi Launches Linux-Based Safety System Cape schools get ten new Linux labs . in three hours Ontario's school system gives StarOffice a shot etc. Good luck and enjoy! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Avoid missing ball for high score" http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ New Breed Software From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 11 17:41:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:41:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF51@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF51@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <411A5A43.2070402@paasda.org> Is all this in relation to Computer Related Viral Infections or Medical Related? Because DISC and DISK are quite different as well... But...that's for another thread I suppose... --Huck Henry Hartley wrote: >Jeff Kinz wrote: > > >>Henry - you can fix your email client so it quotes properly, see: >>outlook express: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ >>To fix Outlook: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ >> >> > >Very useful. Thanks. I'm tired of having to manually rearrange mail. > > > >>Both virus and viri are correct and will be understood. (despite my >>enormous respect for Rick Moen) >> >>Viri may be better because its shorter. >> >>Correct language usage is always determined by common usage and common >>usage is always, everchanging. >> >> > >While in time misspellings may come into common usage and become "correct" I >don't think we're there yet with viri. Also, the source of "common usage" >may matter here. If "common usage" were the only criterion and if email and >Usenet were a significant source of "common usage" then the distinction >between they're/their/there, to/too, its/it's, etc. would have disappeared >long ago. They have not. The proper plural of virus is viruses. Viri is >not correct and won't be for some time (if ever). Understandable, yes. >Correct, no. > > > >>One of my favorite quotes: >>"If anybody ever tells you that you're using the language incorrectly, >>just yell 'prescriptive grammarian!' at the top of your voice and all >>the linguists in the building will run over and surround the guy' and >>then they'll rough him up." >> >> > >Words matter. What you say and how you say it will determine how you are >judged by others. You don't have to like it but using words correctly pays >in the end. In an old Dilbert (as best I can remember) Dilbert is >explaining how language changes and says that if enough intellectuals use a >word incorrectly long enough it becomes common usage and then is considered >correct. Dogbert replies that what we need is smarter intellectuals. > > > From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Aug 11 17:54:07 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:54:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF51@remail2.westat.com>; from henryhartley@westat.com on Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:42:58PM -0400 References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF51@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20040811135407.C18141@redline.comcast.net> If you want, you can consider this email part of my campaign to "legitimize" "viri/i". :) On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > Jeff Kinz wrote: > > Both virus and viri are correct and will be understood. (despite my > > enormous respect for Rick Moen) > > > > Viri may be better because its shorter. > > > > Correct language usage is always determined by common usage and common > > usage is always, everchanging. > The proper plural of virus is viruses. Viri is not correct and won't > be for some time (if ever). Understandable, yes. Correct, no. Not correct according to what authority/reference? It is clear that the "correct" usage of all languages change over time and that ALL static references, (printed dictionaries for example), are out of date before they are even published. Words come into vogue and go out of vogue, in fact, before they even have time to appear in references printed on paper. The most important Criteria - Be understood - is clearly met, since you admit viri will be understood. The distinction/correctness of "viruses" will only matter to prescriptive grammarians who do not understand the role of grammar. Grammar is the study of HOW language is used. Not, "HOW IT MUST BE" used. Talk to a linguist about this distinction. Grammar is not supposed to dictate how we speak, it is supposed to describe how we speak. Sometimes it needs to play catch up. Usage counts: The viri/virii forms are coming on strong, and increasing exponentially. The trend is clear. The shorter form will clearly displace the longer and more difficult to use in speech form over time. 2 syllables as opposed to 3. This is a common path of language development. Compare helicopter to chopper. Due to usage viri/i is now substantially as correct as "viruses" and it sounds better to boot. Thats just one of the reasons it is overtaking viruses in common usage. Google currently sees : viri/i: 172900 pages viruses: 4100000 pages Yes - currently viruses has the majority , but the growth trend of the viri/i form is clearly going to overtake that majority. Consider that 10 years ago, viri/i had virtually no presence. As we all know, exponential growth patterns accelerate incredibly. > If "common usage" were the only criterion and if email and > Usenet were a significant source of "common usage" then the distinction > between they're/their/there, to/too, its/it's, etc. would have disappeared > long ago. They have not. These examples you give here are homophones. Word that sound alike, but which have different meanings and different spelling. Since the primary purpose of printed languages is to represent the spoken language which preceded it and defines it, can you see any problems with this? When I worked for Dragon Systems on their speech recognition software we did extensive work on how to process and determine homophone identity. It is clear that these words, though spelled differently, ARE all the same word. The accident of of language evolution which caused them to be spelled differently but be pronounced the same is just another example of the many problems of English language. (Other languages have these probs too, but English seems to be particularly full of them) > > One of my favorite quotes: > > "If anybody ever tells you that you're using the language incorrectly, > > just yell 'prescriptive grammarian!' at the top of your voice and all > > the linguists in the building will run over and surround the guy' and > > then they'll rough him up." > > Words matter. What you say and how you say it will determine how you are > judged by others. Lets see - I was a technology analyst for IDC sometime back. Earned my living by writing. Yes, words do matter. Prescriptive grammar doesn't necessarily. > explaining how language changes and says that if enough intellectuals use a > word incorrectly long enough it becomes common usage and then is considered > correct. Dogbert replies that what we need is smarter intellectuals. I don't have any aspirations to become Dogbert. :) -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 11 17:32:10 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NT Services for MAC -> netatalk (OT?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040811095301.01150858@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20040811095301.01150858@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <32796.10.10.10.10.1092245530.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Joe O'Brien said: > Any suggestions? Yes -- generally the only way to get the resource forks created is to move the files with a macintosh client, ie, mount both -- and then drag them over. It actually works pretty well that way... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From david at okgoodwill.org Wed Aug 11 18:03:02 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:03:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119BC0@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> reply?mode=pedantic^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hrofessional :D -dBarr. k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > Is all this in relation to Computer Related Viral Infections or > Medical Related? > Because DISC and DISK are quite different as well... > > But...that's for another thread I suppose... > --Huck [snip] >>> Both virus and viri are correct and will be understood. (despite my >>> enormous respect for Rick Moen) >>> >>> Viri may be better because its shorter. >>> >>> Correct language usage is always determined by common usage and >>> common usage is always, everchanging. >>> >>> >> >> While in time misspellings may come into common usage and become >> "correct" I don't think we're there yet with viri. Also, the source >> of "common usage" may matter here. If "common usage" were the only >> criterion and if email and Usenet were a significant source of >> "common usage" then the distinction between they're/their/there, >> to/too, its/it's, etc. would have disappeared long ago. They have >> not. The proper plural of virus is viruses. Viri is not correct >> and won't be for some time (if ever). Understandable, yes. Correct, >> no. >> >> >> >>> One of my favorite quotes: >>> "If anybody ever tells you that you're using the language >>> incorrectly, just yell 'prescriptive grammarian!' at the top of >>> your voice and all the linguists in the building will run over and >>> surround the guy' and then they'll rough him up." >>> >>> >> >> Words matter. What you say and how you say it will determine how >> you are judged by others. You don't have to like it but using words >> correctly pays in the end. In an old Dilbert (as best I can >> remember) Dilbert is explaining how language changes and says that >> if enough intellectuals use a word incorrectly long enough it >> becomes common usage and then is considered correct. Dogbert >> replies that what we need is smarter intellectuals. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 11 18:08:38 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:08:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <32905.10.10.10.10.1092241469.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <32905.10.10.10.10.1092241469.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092247718.2591.110.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 09:24, Shawn Powers wrote: > Eric Harrison said: > > KDM did indeed make a change that none of us caught. > > I'm beginning to wonder *what* exactly I did test in the beta... :) I > can't get the openoffice script to make .doc the default format. It runs, > but doesn't make the change... > > I really apologize for not being a more useful beta tester... Hindsight > is 20/20. I'm really surprised I missed that one as well. I had it marked off as "done".... Oh well, at least the fix was easy. I added the updated ltsp_config package to the repository. If you update you'll automagically have the fix applied. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From clehmann at beaconschool.org Wed Aug 11 18:59:13 2004 From: clehmann at beaconschool.org (Chris Lehmann) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mapping / Logons with OSX and Linux Server In-Reply-To: <4011AD02.1040907@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: Question: We're running RH 7.2 as our server with netatalk and samba chugging along like a dream. We have OSX Panther on many of our clients, and what we would like to do is have our users have to sign on as registered clients and have their server space mounted automatically (much like when they log onto a Windows client via samba now.) Anyone doing this? Samba? NFS? Netatalk? Suggestions? -- Chris -- "Establishing lasting peace is the work of education; all politics can do is keep us out of war." - Maria Montessori From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Aug 11 19:20:10 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:20:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: bootable nic (intel 1000 mt) In-Reply-To: <20040811141449.0C5F47321A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <411A392A.2377.B7D7AE5@localhost> Hello, > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:48:52 -0400 > From: Jeff Kinz > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] bootable nic > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <20040811074852.A18141 at redline.comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:36:36AM -0400, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > What is a bootable nic that works out of the box? I ordered 10 intel > > 1000mt cards that start to boot then kernel panic because they seem > > to lose themselves. I'm sure there is a solution, but time is short! > > I'm running 3.1.2 Thanks I have about 50 of these Intel Gigabit cards. They were giving me problems on client boot (the would stop loading after trying to access the kernel on the server) until I specified in the DHCPD.conf file that they have to use the new linux kernel which has support for them built in. I don't have access to the server and the code now, but that is the solution. Once you enter their MAC address into that file, specify they need the 2.6 series kernel, restart the DHCP service, they boot up fine. I'm sorry this isn't more detailed - first time I've tried to provide help for someone here! :) If you want more info, let the list know and I'll try to check it out on the server next time I'm there. Thanks, Joseph From adfour at mtaonline.net Wed Aug 11 20:25:59 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:25:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> I know redhat helped a lot with the early stages. But it seems that the fedora model just isn't right for k12ltsp. At this rate FC3 will be out by the time we have a reliable fc2.Wouldn't it make more sense to drop fedora? I did. Debian comes to mind, but for those of us living in netware systems maybe suse would be a good candidate? I don't mean to be a killjoy, but I haven't been comfortable with any of the 4.X k12ltsps, and I get the sense that the prob might be fedora itself. >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 07:14, Shawn Powers wrote: > > >>Apparently the things I tested in beta were not the things I should have >>been testing... Because now I'm installing 4.1.0 -- and I'm running into >>troublesome issues... Anyone have suggestions: >> >>1) I like kdm, with the login/password dialog on the same screen. I >>always use kdm, but now, in the kdm configuration (in kcontrol) I don't >>have the option to remove the sessions I don't want (ie, everything but >>icewm) Is there a new configuration place for this? I don't even see >>"Reset your Desktop" as an option in kdm. >> >>2) I guess that was it -- but #1 involves several issues, the "Reset >>Desktop" session is gone, and I can't disable everything but IceWM. IN >>FACT, IceWM isn't even an option in kdm anymore... >> >>Were there drastic changes in the way kdm behaves? I have gotten rid of >>kdm and gdm, so that xdm is used -- but it doesn't have the option (of >>course) to reset desktop either... >> >> > > >KDM did indeed make a change that none of us caught. I've fixed IceWM and >will start work on "Reset Desktop". The updated IceWM has already been added >to the update repository. > >I don't see an option to change sessions in kcontrol. You can do it the >"manual" way by removing the sessions you don't want from /usr/share/xessions/ > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Aug 11 20:24:15 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:24:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1092255855.30970.13.camel@localhost> Perhaps FC2 could be an issue. But I'm running FC2 on several servers and I haven't had any issues. I wouldn't mind a switch to Debian for K12LTSP though. Just my 2 cents. -Calvin On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 16:25, Andrew wrote: > I know redhat helped a lot with the early stages. But it seems that the > fedora model just isn't right for k12ltsp. At this rate FC3 will be out > by the time we have a reliable fc2.Wouldn't it make more sense to drop > fedora? I did. Debian comes to mind, but for those of us living in > netware systems maybe suse would be a good candidate? I don't mean to be > a killjoy, but I haven't been comfortable with any of the 4.X k12ltsps, > and I get the sense that the prob might be fedora itself. > > >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 07:14, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > > > >>Apparently the things I tested in beta were not the things I should have > >>been testing... Because now I'm installing 4.1.0 -- and I'm running into > >>troublesome issues... Anyone have suggestions: > >> > >>1) I like kdm, with the login/password dialog on the same screen. I > >>always use kdm, but now, in the kdm configuration (in kcontrol) I don't > >>have the option to remove the sessions I don't want (ie, everything but > >>icewm) Is there a new configuration place for this? I don't even see > >>"Reset your Desktop" as an option in kdm. > >> > >>2) I guess that was it -- but #1 involves several issues, the "Reset > >>Desktop" session is gone, and I can't disable everything but IceWM. IN > >>FACT, IceWM isn't even an option in kdm anymore... > >> > >>Were there drastic changes in the way kdm behaves? I have gotten rid of > >>kdm and gdm, so that xdm is used -- but it doesn't have the option (of > >>course) to reset desktop either... > >> > >> > > > > > >KDM did indeed make a change that none of us caught. I've fixed IceWM and > >will start work on "Reset Desktop". The updated IceWM has already been added > >to the update repository. > > > >I don't see an option to change sessions in kcontrol. You can do it the > >"manual" way by removing the sessions you don't want from /usr/share/xessions/ > > > >-Eric > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 11 20:28:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:28:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1092255855.30970.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <001601c47fe1$d318e610$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I know redhat helped a lot with the early stages. But it seems that > the > fedora model just isn't right for k12ltsp. It seems that everything implied by this is a catch 22. Everyone seems to want cutting edge which leans toward Fedora, but schools much like all other businesses need stability which leans toward some of the other distros. I'll bet this could be a fairly long discussion and still come up shy of a sure way to go. But I'll admit I would much rather watch this be discussed than have my email bombarded with viruses/virii that my scanners won't detect :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 11 20:58:41 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:58:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1092257920.17744.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 13:25, Andrew wrote: > I know redhat helped a lot with the early stages. But it seems that the > fedora model just isn't right for k12ltsp. At this rate FC3 will be out > by the time we have a reliable fc2.Wouldn't it make more sense to drop > fedora? I did. Debian comes to mind, but for those of us living in > netware systems maybe suse would be a good candidate? I don't mean to be > a killjoy, but I haven't been comfortable with any of the 4.X k12ltsps, > and I get the sense that the prob might be fedora itself. To spare everyone the agony of repeating this beat-to-death thread, I'll just point back to the archives ;-) January 2004 had quite a few posts on the subject: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/thread.html#01337 Here is the link to my point-of-view, which has not changed much in the six months since I wrote this: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg01337.html -Eric > >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 07:14, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > > > >>Apparently the things I tested in beta were not the things I should have > >>been testing... Because now I'm installing 4.1.0 -- and I'm running into > >>troublesome issues... Anyone have suggestions: > >> > >>1) I like kdm, with the login/password dialog on the same screen. I > >>always use kdm, but now, in the kdm configuration (in kcontrol) I don't > >>have the option to remove the sessions I don't want (ie, everything but > >>icewm) Is there a new configuration place for this? I don't even see > >>"Reset your Desktop" as an option in kdm. > >> > >>2) I guess that was it -- but #1 involves several issues, the "Reset > >>Desktop" session is gone, and I can't disable everything but IceWM. IN > >>FACT, IceWM isn't even an option in kdm anymore... > >> > >>Were there drastic changes in the way kdm behaves? I have gotten rid of > >>kdm and gdm, so that xdm is used -- but it doesn't have the option (of > >>course) to reset desktop either... > >> > >> > > > > > >KDM did indeed make a change that none of us caught. I've fixed IceWM and > >will start work on "Reset Desktop". The updated IceWM has already been added > >to the update repository. > > > >I don't see an option to change sessions in kcontrol. 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It certainly sounds like me. ;) The 1000 little things (like VeryNice, OO defaulting to USletter, OO defaulting to .doc, edu packages included, etc) make K12LTSP worth the couple issues it has. Really, my only frustrations are with the way kdm/gdm/xdm are so insanely managed. That's not any particular person's fault -- but my goodness what a mess. That said, I did just switch to using plain xdm. All the appropriate config stuff was in /etc/X11/xdm -- and it "just works" nicely. :) (I don't offer anything but IceWM, so I didn't need choices) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Aug 11 21:14:09 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:14:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] play dvd? (xposted to k12list and scosug) Message-ID: <411A8C21.8010202@snet.net> Hi, Someone broke into my home last wednesday and stole my iBook (and a jeweled dagger..and don't get me started on the data I lost...all my curriculae from last year, which I had backed up to the school's network, but not elsewhere, and I've left that school, and it was all in appleworks formats.). The iBook was my only dvd player, ,so I purchased a samsung dvd/cdrw drive and installed it on my Fedora 1 based K12box (k12 4.0.1). Anyway, when I insert a dvd, it mounts at /mnt/cdrom. I can burn cds on this drive and it reads the dvd, but I seem to be unable to play the dvd. I tried with xine and mplayer. Do I need to mount it at /mnt/dvd? I tried to create a directory in /mnt for that, but then received a msg that there was no entry in /etc/fstab...so I tried to make one, but did not know what values to give it (someone want to share theirs?). I was also confused what decoder/codec thingy to use in mplayer, sine there are about 30 to choose from. I'd like to play my dvds. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From tscholten8 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 11 21:11:35 2004 From: tscholten8 at hotmail.com (Tim Scholten) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:11:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page Message-ID: This link should be a helpful: http://opensourceschools.org/article.php?story=20030326162402253&mode=print I haven't tried to lock any settings... just give defaults for the proxy address. I just edited the pref option for what i wanted in /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6/defaults/pref/all.js >From: Henry Hartley <henryhartley at westat.com> >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> >To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" <k12osn at redhat.com> >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Mozilla Home Page >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:18:13 -0400 > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:21 AM > >> > >> Mark Cockrell said: > >> > Is there a way to set the Mozilla home page for all users > >> > on the server? > >> > >> I dunno -- but what I did, is make the shortcut (I use > >> IceWM) actually call mozilla with a URL. ie, the launcher > >> actually calls "mozilla http://www.inlandlakes.org" instead > >> of just mozilla. It's a low-tech solution that has worked > >> great so far. :) > >The problem being, of course, that as soon as someone hits the [Home] button >(or does an <Alt><Home>), they don't go to your home page. > >-- >Henry > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <http://www.k12os.org> _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Wed Aug 11 21:52:42 2004 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:52:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols Message-ID: We're setting up some Fedora core 2 stand alone clients for teachers to use on their desktops. They all have home directories on one of our file servers. I really hate to share these via NFS with the security concerns of NFS (exporting the /data/staff/ directory to our entire subnet where we could get a malicious user switching UIDs to delete other peoples files etc). So i am wondering how you guys do it? Is this a legitimate security concern? Could i somehow auto-mount the users volumes via smb? I would like to not have the users home folder local, but rather located on the server. Any ideas? Jamie McParland Newberg Public Schools From tim at litwiller.net Wed Aug 11 22:01:38 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:01:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card In-Reply-To: <41003A8D.7030001@litwiller.net> References: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> <1090525973.16406.23.camel@server.ltsp> <410024A5.2080909@litwiller.net> <41002782.5090609@litwiller.net> <1090529709.16406.49.camel@server.ltsp> <41002BB7.6050000@litwiller.net> <41003A8D.7030001@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <411A9742.3090808@litwiller.net> Tim Litwiller wrote: > Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 13:45, Tim Litwiller wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Thanks, I'll try that and report back - btw - this is on 4.1.0 >>>>> beta and everything else I have tried is working ok. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ok, now it get something different but not success - it goes quite >>>> a bit further >>>> >>>> the last few lines >>>> >>>> Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltps/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 >>>> Doing the pivot_root >>>> Mounting the devfs filesystem >>>> Running /sbin/init >>>> Usage: init 0123456SoQaAaBbCcUu >>>> VSF: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) >>>> Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed >>>> Unmonting old root >>>> Trying to free ramdisk memory .. failed >>>> Mounted devfs on /dev >>>> Freeing unused kernel memory: 88k freed >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a bug that was fixed this week. Be sure to run up2date to >>> download >>> all of the current bug fixes. >>> >>> This will download all of the updated packages: >>> >>> up2date -u >>> >>> If you don't have a lot of bandwidth, you can download just this >>> specific >>> bug fix: >>> >>> up2date -i ltsp_i386-kernel >>> >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> >> thanks - I'll be trying that. >> > This worked, once I got the packages updated it worked on the first try. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Not sure if this is related - I added another workstation to this network today - the first time it booted up the screen was way of to the right about 1/2 a screen off so i logged out and then turned the client off - just in case the flat panel autodetect would detect and position correctly on a reboot. When it came back up it failed at an error loading the root file system at /etc/ltsp/i386 or something like that. If I watched the /var/log/messages when it faile it did a second request for dhcp for a network address completely out of it's range. I'll have to go back with a printer or something so I can print the error and the logs since I was stuck in there after hours with no pencil or paper to write them down. From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Aug 11 22:24:50 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:24:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: ; from jamie@listserv.newberg.k12.or.us on Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:52:42PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20040811182450.A22567@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:52:42PM -0700, Jamie wrote: > We're setting up some Fedora core 2 stand alone clients for teachers to > use on their desktops. They all have home directories on one of our > file servers. I really hate to share these via NFS with the security > concerns of NFS (exporting the /data/staff/ directory to our entire > subnet where we could get a malicious user switching UIDs to delete > other peoples files etc). I'm not sure I get the problem. The teachers directories should be mounted only to the machines they login on, no matter what/where it is. If your accounts are properly secured, no one should be switching user IDs at anytime except root. In a networked environment you should make sure the "Stand-alone clients" ? (These have hard drives ? ) are administred via NIS. Using NIS/YP and NFS you shouldn't have any problems of the nature you describe. Securely NFS auto-mounting a directory full of home directories has been done at least since the late 80's. > > So i am wondering how you guys do it? Is this a legitimate security > concern? Could i somehow auto-mount the users volumes via smb? I would > like to not have the users home folder local, but rather located on the > server. > -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From shahms at shahms.com Wed Aug 11 22:36:01 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:36:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1092263761.2219.25.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 12:25 -0800, Andrew wrote: > > I know redhat helped a lot with the early stages. But it seems that the > fedora model just isn't right for k12ltsp. At this rate FC3 will be out > by the time we have a reliable fc2.Wouldn't it make more sense to drop > fedora? I did. Debian comes to mind, but for those of us living in > netware systems maybe suse would be a good candidate? I don't mean to be > a killjoy, but I haven't been comfortable with any of the 4.X k12ltsps, > and I get the sense that the prob might be fedora itself. If you want to go with the Debian model, you're more than welcome to stick with K12LTSP 2.x for the next few years. *ducks* It also depends on what you mean by "reliable" FC2. We've had much fewer problems with the FC2 servers we have than the FC1 (and some of the RH9 machines). Not to be rude, but your post seems to be a lot of unfounded assertions about the unsuitability of Fedora for K12LTSP. If you have some specific concerns that you'd like addressed, that's one thing, but (as Eric pointed out) this has been discussed to death in the past and things are not likely to change. I would also maintain that there are few, if any, legitimate technical reasons for such a change. I know Eric had done some work on porting K12LTSP to WhiteBox/RHEL a while ago, but I'm not sure how far that got. -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed Aug 11 22:39:00 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:39:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: <20040811182450.A22567@redline.comcast.net> References: <20040811182450.A22567@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3D282F6B-EBE7-11D8-9EE1-000A95D55BEC@newberg.k12.or.us> On Aug 11, 2004, at 3:24 PM, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:52:42PM -0700, Jamie wrote: >> We're setting up some Fedora core 2 stand alone clients for teachers >> to >> use on their desktops. They all have home directories on one of our >> file servers. I really hate to share these via NFS with the security >> concerns of NFS (exporting the /data/staff/ directory to our entire >> subnet where we could get a malicious user switching UIDs to delete >> other peoples files etc). > > I'm not sure I get the problem. > The teachers directories should be mounted only to the machines they > login on, no matter what/where it is. > I have 500 staff members, and we use DHCP so this is not an option. This would mean setting all their computers up with static addresses and then making an export of each home folder in /etc/exports correct? > If your accounts are properly secured, no one should be switching user > IDs at anytime except root. I'm under the impression that if you export a directory say /data/staff to an entire subnet using the root squash option only the non root users will have access to their files based on their UID and GID numbers. Say a kid comes to school with a nix laptop. Mounts the export. Creates a user on his machine with the same UID as his teachers. Bam he has read write access to her files on the export. I could be wrong but this is my understanding and my concern. > In a networked environment you should make > sure the "Stand-alone clients" ? (These have hard drives ? ) are > administered via NIS. Were doing ldap. By stand alone i meant these were not k12ltsp boxes. Just a regular computer with fedora on it. The authentication will be handled via ldap and hopefully the users home directories will be on the server. > Using NIS/YP and NFS you shouldn't have any problems of the nature yo > describe. Securely NFS auto-mounting a directory full of home > directories > has been done at least since the late 80's. > Yea it's the UID GID scenario i mentioned about that worries me. - Jamie >> >> So i am wondering how you guys do it? Is this a legitimate security >> concern? Could i somehow auto-mount the users volumes via smb? I would >> like to not have the users home folder local, but rather located on >> the >> server. >> > > -- > Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. > ============================================================ > Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" > > Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Jamie McParland Newberg Public Schools From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 11 22:40:42 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: <20040811182450.A22567@redline.comcast.net> References: <20040811182450.A22567@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <35741.66.129.41.148.1092264042.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Jeff Kinz said: > I'm not sure I get the problem. I can help define the problem... If Joe Schmo brings in his laptop running linux, and mounts the server's /home export -- he has full access to the entire thing. Since he has root on his laptop, he can make any account id he wants. Scary stuff. I was curious about the replies other have too. My solution was to have thin clients, and my servers get the /home export via a "network backplane" that has all servers connect to a private network on a second switch -- so no one has access (even physical access) to the /home export. You could set up user mounts inside their home directory that are SMB mounts for document storage. Their other files (ie, dotfiles, etc) would be local, but they could be taught to save in the network share... Not elegant, and kludgy, but it could work in a pinch... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 11 22:44:05 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:44:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota Message-ID: <411AA135.6090301@paasda.org> Anyone implement this yet? (Gavin? =)...was hoping to score a HOWTO... I'm VERY(as in never seen/used CVS) unknowledable about CVS... --Huck From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Aug 11 22:44:37 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:44:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092264277.13670.43.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 14:52, Jamie wrote: > We're setting up some Fedora core 2 stand alone clients for teachers to > use on their desktops. They all have home directories on one of our > file servers. I really hate to share these via NFS with the security > concerns of NFS (exporting the /data/staff/ directory to our entire > subnet where we could get a malicious user switching UIDs to delete > other peoples files etc). > > So i am wondering how you guys do it? Is this a legitimate security > concern? Could i somehow auto-mount the users volumes via smb? I would > like to not have the users home folder local, but rather located on the > server. > > Any ideas? NFSv4 features strong security when used in conjunction w/ Kerberos (or LIPKEY or SPKM-3). But, alas, a Kerberos infrastructure is non-trivial to implement. You could try tunneling NFSv4 over SSH: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/NFSv4/NFSv4-no-rpcsec.html#sshtun -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Aug 11 23:15:47 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:15:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues Message-ID: <20040811231551.CRBN416.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> If its for gdm, I'd like to see this. Hopefully the same thing works for 4.1 that worked for 4.0 The 3.x way of changing the contents of /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions doesn't seem to work anymore Luis > > From: "Gavin Spurgeon" > Date: 2004/08/11 Wed PM 12:16:11 EDT > To: > CC: Shawn Powers > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues > > Hi All, > > This hasn't been a problem 'yet' as I currently use v4.0.0 > but I wanted to use IceWM as the default & couldn't work out > how to do it last time, so I just removed the files that pointed > to the other session types (after backing them up) And changed > the default session file to point to IceWM.. I Know it is a very dirty > manual way of doing thingz but it worked for me & @ the time > and even now I don't/didn't know of a nice GUI based way of changing > it... > If you would like to know how I did it, please ask 'ON' list & ill see > if I can did up the Docz I made... > > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 11 23:29:35 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:29:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues icewm default In-Reply-To: <20040811231551.CRBN416.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20040811231551.CRBN416.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <411AABDF.4090704@paasda.org> Feb 19 2004... "I just posted this procedure to the wiki (under software) Instructions to make IceWM the default under gdm in FC: edit gdm.conf in /etc/X11/gdm and change line #109 from: DefaultSession=default.desktop to: DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop now restart gdm... Next, create a subdirectory called 'disabled' in each location listed on line #107 of gdm.conf as the "SessionDesktopDir" and move any *.desktop session files you don't want into 'disabled'..including the original default one. Eample: #cd /detc/X11/dm/Sessions #mkdir disabled #mv default.desktop disabled #mv gnome.desktop disabled #cd /usr/share/xsessions #mkdir disabled #mv gnome.desktop disabled #mv kde.desktop disabled On their next restart the clients will boot to IceWM with no other choices? " this is from Pat Healy's post to the list on the date at the top of the mail... --Huck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Aug 12 00:17:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:17:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: <35741.66.129.41.148.1092264042.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <35741.66.129.41.148.1092264042.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I was curious about the replies other have too. My solution was to have >thin clients, and my servers get the /home export via a "network >backplane" that has all servers connect to a private network on a second >switch -- so no one has access (even physical access) to the /home export. Curious as to how you do this? I'm curious and interested! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jkinz at kinz.org Thu Aug 12 00:16:33 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:16:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: <3D282F6B-EBE7-11D8-9EE1-000A95D55BEC@newberg.k12.or.us>; from mcparlandj@newberg.k12.or.us on Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 03:39:00PM -0700 References: <20040811182450.A22567@redline.comcast.net> <3D282F6B-EBE7-11D8-9EE1-000A95D55BEC@newberg.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20040811201633.A21163@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 03:39:00PM -0700, Jamie McParland wrote: > > On Aug 11, 2004, at 3:24 PM, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:52:42PM -0700, Jamie wrote: > >> We're setting up some Fedora core 2 stand alone clients for teachers > >> to > >> use on their desktops. They all have home directories on one of our > >> file servers. I really hate to share these via NFS with the security > >> concerns of NFS (exporting the /data/staff/ directory to our entire > >> subnet where we could get a malicious user switching UIDs to delete > >> other peoples files etc). > > > > I'm not sure I get the problem. > > The teachers directories should be mounted only to the machines they > > login on, no matter what/where it is. > > > > I have 500 staff members, and we use DHCP so this is not an option. > This would mean setting all their computers up with static addresses > and then making an export of each home folder in /etc/exports correct? > > > If your accounts are properly secured, no one should be switching user > > IDs at anytime except root. > > I'm under the impression that if you export a directory say /data/staff > to an entire subnet using the root squash option only the non root > users will have access to their files based on their UID and GID > numbers. > > Say a kid comes to school with a nix laptop. Mounts the export. Creates > a user on his machine with the same UID as his teachers. Bam he has > read write access to her files on the export. I could be wrong but this > is my understanding and my concern. Perhaps "secure NFS" may be a solution. The clients have to generate and use PGP-like keys in conjunction with the NFS server. Only clients with the keys could mount secure NFS exports. This is all book learnin' - Never used it myself. see pages 178-187 in OReilly "Managing NFS and NIS" -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 12 00:21:15 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: References: <35741.66.129.41.148.1092264042.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <35825.66.129.41.148.1092270075.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> David Trask said: >>thin clients, and my servers get the /home export via a "network >>backplane" that has all servers connect to a private network on a second >>switch -- so no one has access (even physical access) to the /home > Curious as to how you do this? I'm curious and interested! :-) Again, low-tech solutions are great. :) I literally bought a 12 port gigabit switch, and put it in my server rack. A second gig ethernet card on each server has a static 192.168 address, and plugs into the switch. (My "public" network is a 10. range) I only export /home to the 192.168 addresses, so only the computers plugged into that lone switch (ie, only the servers in the rack) can get the nfs share. So far, it's worked really really nice. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 12 00:31:10 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Application Server Question Message-ID: <35841.66.129.41.148.1092270670.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> If I am correct, if I use ssh or rsh to launch a remote app from a remote application server, the network traffic still pipes through the LTSP server. Is this correct? This effectively takes the CPU and RAM load off the LTSP server, but still degrades it's network performance, right? That said, is there a way to get the local thin client to directly call an application via ssh or rsh so that all the traffic doesn't funnel through the LTSP server? I don't want "local apps" -- I want to call apps from a second "Application Server" directly to the thin client without passing all the traffic through the LTSP server. Or is the traffic no more than the remote X session itself? ie, once I have a session from the LTSP server on my thin client, do additional applications add more bandwidth? I assumed they did, but perhaps I'm wrong. Thanks for any insight, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Thu Aug 12 00:31:33 2004 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:31:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 54 Message-ID: <822840304@mail.sgusd.k12.ca.us> Thank you for your message.... I will be out of the office until Monday August 16th 2004. I will respond to your message as soon as possible when I return. Please contact 626-451-5450 if you need urgent assistance. Thank you From jkinz at kinz.org Thu Aug 12 00:37:58 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:37:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: <35825.66.129.41.148.1092270075.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org>; from spowers@inlandlakes.org on Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 08:21:15PM -0400 References: <35741.66.129.41.148.1092264042.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <35825.66.129.41.148.1092270075.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040811203758.B21163@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 08:21:15PM -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > David Trask said: > >>thin clients, and my servers get the /home export via a "network > >>backplane" that has all servers connect to a private network on a second > >>switch -- so no one has access (even physical access) to the /home > > Curious as to how you do this? I'm curious and interested! :-) > > Again, low-tech solutions are great. :) I literally bought a 12 port > gigabit switch, and put it in my server rack. A second gig ethernet card > on each server has a static 192.168 address, and plugs into the switch. > (My "public" network is a 10. range) > > I only export /home to the 192.168 addresses, so only the computers > plugged into that lone switch (ie, only the servers in the rack) can get > the nfs share. > > So far, it's worked really really nice. Cool- Very creative solution! Probably won't work for Jamie, though. Cost of 500+ extra Nics and 500 extra/seperate ports of switch, not to mention extra cable runs and the headache of 500 static IPs to manage would be too much. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From scott at hosef.org Thu Aug 12 00:51:43 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:51:43 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1092257920.17744.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> <1092257920.17744.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <411ABF1F.4010709@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Here is the link to my point-of-view, which has not changed much in the > six months since I wrote this: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg01337.html > > -Eric Well said and a very sensible roadmap. The real thrill that I get from this list is watching developers like yourself and Jim respond, in real time, to end-users. By some definitions this is unstable. From my experience, it is very responsive. In fairness to other K12 thin client projects, it is important to note that Skolelinux http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/ is now based on Debian Testing, which goes stable next month. While not quite as cutting edge, this solution is engineered for larger installs needing roaming profiles and centralized authentication out of the box. It is brilliant, and I am certain that their unification with debian-edu will benefit all of us. Also, Harry of OSEF was using Debian unstable and the LTSP years ago for thin clients. The bottom line is that OSS is all about choice, and we all have one. It would be hard to find another distro, community, and team of developers as diligent and focused as the K12LTSP. This project is nearly magical at times. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From dalen at czexan.net Thu Aug 12 01:03:31 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:03:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] missing K12LTSP-GPG-KEY Message-ID: <411AC1E3.8090001@czexan.net> Everyone, I just updated K12LTSP4.1beta17 via "yum update". It updated a few packages and said the following. "please run: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize" I ran it and it launched various perl and shell scripts and had this error. "running import-gpg-keys error: /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY: import read failed." I didn't see k12ltsp in /usr/share/doc/ and "locate K12LTSP-GPG-KEY" found nothing. I can probably just import the key as shown in this thread https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-May/msg00456.html But I just wanted to see if others see this error too, or if something went wrong with my install. Thanks, Dale From haysja at sages.us Thu Aug 12 01:24:12 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:24:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Application Server Question In-Reply-To: <35841.66.129.41.148.1092270670.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <35841.66.129.41.148.1092270670.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092273852.411ac6bc8b40e@sages.us> I may be wrong (it certainly wouldn't be the first time, not even the first time today----), but I don't think this is a problem. I don't think that the additional apps would cause extra bandwidth. Quoting Shawn Powers : > If I am correct, if I use ssh or rsh to launch a remote app from a remote > application server, the network traffic still pipes through the LTSP > server. Is this correct? This effectively takes the CPU and RAM load off > the LTSP server, but still degrades it's network performance, right? > > That said, is there a way to get the local thin client to directly call an > application via ssh or rsh so that all the traffic doesn't funnel through > the LTSP server? I don't want "local apps" -- I want to call apps from a > second "Application Server" directly to the thin client without passing > all the traffic through the LTSP server. > > Or is the traffic no more than the remote X session itself? ie, once I > have a session from the LTSP server on my thin client, do additional > applications add more bandwidth? I assumed they did, but perhaps I'm > wrong. > > Thanks for any insight, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 12 01:36:57 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Application Server Question In-Reply-To: <1092273852.411ac6bc8b40e@sages.us> References: <35841.66.129.41.148.1092270670.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092273852.411ac6bc8b40e@sages.us> Message-ID: <36011.66.129.41.148.1092274617.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Jim Hays said: > I don't think that the > additional apps would cause extra bandwidth. Wow... if this is true, I could send the rsh/ssh requests over my "network backplane" (see the thread on sharing home directories) So now, can anyone confirm this? Does an additional application cause a bandwidth increase per X session? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Aug 12 02:33:21 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:33:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux client file shareing protocols In-Reply-To: <35825.66.129.41.148.1092270075.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <35741.66.129.41.148.1092264042.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <35825.66.129.41.148.1092270075.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Woah, only the LTSP servers need to be able to mount NFS /home exports unless you are doing local apps or something. You could simply restrict the NFS exports to the LTSP servers/app servers, unless you are doing something unusual. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEa1usACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSuIQCcCbx11MgtKobQz63KXjX3yp6X 8nUAoIDMWbNi/whMgc4vUCWp6dQF3gF6 =Tdmn - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEa1vIACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRKxQCfRtB/NXRvUy3wM4s3t2w9ra5f Yf4An3+fd9rKWyd6KHWON6ToDSWTEvXw =dGl8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 12 02:51:47 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] missing K12LTSP-GPG-KEY In-Reply-To: <411AC1E3.8090001@czexan.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Dale Sykora wrote: >Everyone, > I just updated K12LTSP4.1beta17 via "yum update". >It updated a few packages and said the following. >"please run: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize" >I ran it and it launched various perl and shell scripts and had this error. >"running import-gpg-keys >error: /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY: import read failed." >I didn't see k12ltsp in /usr/share/doc/ and "locate K12LTSP-GPG-KEY" >found nothing. I can probably just import the key as shown in this thread >https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-May/msg00456.html >But I just wanted to see if others see this error too, or if something >went wrong with my install. This was a small bug in beta17, it was fixed before the final release. You can follow the instructions in the thread you listed: rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc and then install the k12ltsp-release package: yum install k12ltsp-release -Eric From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Aug 12 03:49:00 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] play dvd? (xposted to k12list and scosug) In-Reply-To: <411A8C21.8010202@snet.net> References: <411A8C21.8010202@snet.net> Message-ID: <411AE8AC.50305@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > Hi, > Someone broke into my home last wednesday and stole my iBook (and a > jeweled dagger..and don't get me started on the data I lost...all my > curriculae from last year, which I had backed up to the school's > network, but not elsewhere, and I've left that school, and it was all in > appleworks formats.). > The iBook was my only dvd player, ,so I purchased a samsung dvd/cdrw > drive and installed it on my Fedora 1 based K12box (k12 4.0.1). > > > Anyway, when I insert a dvd, it mounts at /mnt/cdrom. I can burn cds on > this drive and it reads the dvd, but I seem to be unable to play the > dvd. I tried with xine and mplayer. Do I need to mount it at /mnt/dvd? > I tried to create a directory in /mnt for that, but then received a > msg that there was no entry in /etc/fstab...so I tried to make one, but > did not know what values to give it (someone want to share theirs?). > > I was also confused what decoder/codec thingy to use in mplayer, sine > there are about 30 to choose from. > I'd like to play my dvds. Suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Aug 12 03:52:23 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:52:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] play dvd? (xposted to k12list and scosug) In-Reply-To: <411A8C21.8010202@snet.net> References: <411A8C21.8010202@snet.net> Message-ID: <411AE977.7070707@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > Hi, > Someone broke into my home last wednesday and stole my iBook (and a > jeweled dagger..and don't get me started on the data I lost...all my > curriculae from last year, which I had backed up to the school's > network, but not elsewhere, and I've left that school, and it was all in > appleworks formats.). > The iBook was my only dvd player, ,so I purchased a samsung dvd/cdrw > drive and installed it on my Fedora 1 based K12box (k12 4.0.1). > > > Anyway, when I insert a dvd, it mounts at /mnt/cdrom. I can burn cds on > this drive and it reads the dvd, but I seem to be unable to play the > dvd. I tried with xine and mplayer. Do I need to mount it at /mnt/dvd? > I tried to create a directory in /mnt for that, but then received a > msg that there was no entry in /etc/fstab...so I tried to make one, but > did not know what values to give it (someone want to share theirs?). > > I was also confused what decoder/codec thingy to use in mplayer, sine > there are about 30 to choose from. > I'd like to play my dvds. Suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > Okay, since then I learned that I need a /dev/dvd entry, so I did this: ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/dvd But still, I don't know how to play the darned things. I can now mount the dvd at /mnt/dvd. If I open the dvd in konq I can see these .vob files, ,and I right click and choose "Open with" and either Xine or Mplayer. the program (either one) will open and show a blank screen for about .5 seconds, then stop. Xine will crash. Mplay er show me a gui, with a nice mplayer splash in the viewer screen. Am I getting warmer? Any assistance would be highly appreciated. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 12 04:31:13 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] play dvd? (xposted to k12list and scosug) In-Reply-To: <411AE977.7070707@snet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: >anthony baldwin wrote: >> Hi, >> Someone broke into my home last wednesday and stole my iBook (and a >> jeweled dagger..and don't get me started on the data I lost...all my >> curriculae from last year, which I had backed up to the school's >> network, but not elsewhere, and I've left that school, and it was all in >> appleworks formats.). >> The iBook was my only dvd player, ,so I purchased a samsung dvd/cdrw >> drive and installed it on my Fedora 1 based K12box (k12 4.0.1). >> >> >> Anyway, when I insert a dvd, it mounts at /mnt/cdrom. I can burn cds on >> this drive and it reads the dvd, but I seem to be unable to play the >> dvd. I tried with xine and mplayer. Do I need to mount it at /mnt/dvd? >> I tried to create a directory in /mnt for that, but then received a >> msg that there was no entry in /etc/fstab...so I tried to make one, but >> did not know what values to give it (someone want to share theirs?). >> >> I was also confused what decoder/codec thingy to use in mplayer, sine >> there are about 30 to choose from. >> I'd like to play my dvds. Suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> > > >Okay, since then I learned that I need a /dev/dvd entry, so I did this: > >ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/dvd > >But still, I don't know how to play the darned things. >I can now mount the dvd at /mnt/dvd. >If I open the dvd in konq I can see these .vob files, ,and I right click >and choose "Open with" and either Xine or Mplayer. >the program (either one) will open and show a blank screen for about .5 >seconds, then stop. Xine will crash. Mplay er show me a gui, with a >nice mplayer splash in the viewer screen. > >Am I getting warmer? > >Any assistance would be highly appreciated. The *.vob files are encrypted, they have to be decrypted before you can view them. For non-US citizens, there is a Yum repository at livna.org that contains the necessary software. Add this to your /etc/yum.conf [livna-non-us] name=livna-non-us baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/yum/stable/ and then run: yum install libdvdcss You might also need to yum install libdvdnav & libdvdread as well. I've never used xine or mplayer, but I know that ogle is easy to use (yum install ogle ogle_gui). Just fire up ogle and select File -> Open disc -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 12 04:46:39 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP.org at LinuxWord Conference & Expo, Italian edition In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040810104051.02c0af70@80.16.185.140> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Prof. Silverio Carugo wrote: >Dear Eric, > >1. I do congratulate with you for the K12LTSP.org version 4.1 release ! Thank you! >2. I am pleased to inform you ( and the entire K12LTSP.org community ) that >after the West Coast edition of LW the K12LTSP.org success story will >continue with the Italian edition of >LinuxWorld >Conference & Expo. >It will take place in Milan, 22/24 Sept. 2004. >In the .Org Pavilion, DIDASCA will run a booth completely dedicated to >PROGETTO LAZZARO. >This project promotes the use of refurbished PCs by the Italian schools >based on K12LTSP technology. > >Please, see: www.ProgettoLazzaro.it > >My best, A K12LTSP booth at a Linux conference in Milan? Hmmm, if I can talk my significant other into it, I may be willing to volunteer some time ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 12 04:48:10 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 officially released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >Eric, > >when will the images be available at a mirror near Europe? >Dl will otherwise take app. 10 hours... > The Vienna University of Technology mirror is now available: ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/k12ltsp/ http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/k12ltsp/ -Eric From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu Aug 12 07:03:08 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:03:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> *puts hand up for virii* :D -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kinz [mailto:jkinz at kinz.org] Sent: 11 August 2004 18:54 To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) If you want, you can consider this email part of my campaign to "legitimize" "viri/i". :) On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > Jeff Kinz wrote: > > Both virus and viri are correct and will be understood. (despite my > > enormous respect for Rick Moen) > > > > Viri may be better because its shorter. > > > > Correct language usage is always determined by common usage and common > > usage is always, everchanging. > The proper plural of virus is viruses. Viri is not correct and won't > be for some time (if ever). Understandable, yes. Correct, no. Not correct according to what authority/reference? It is clear that the "correct" usage of all languages change over time and that ALL static references, (printed dictionaries for example), are out of date before they are even published. Words come into vogue and go out of vogue, in fact, before they even have time to appear in references printed on paper. The most important Criteria - Be understood - is clearly met, since you admit viri will be understood. The distinction/correctness of "viruses" will only matter to prescriptive grammarians who do not understand the role of grammar. Grammar is the study of HOW language is used. Not, "HOW IT MUST BE" used. Talk to a linguist about this distinction. Grammar is not supposed to dictate how we speak, it is supposed to describe how we speak. Sometimes it needs to play catch up. Usage counts: The viri/virii forms are coming on strong, and increasing exponentially. The trend is clear. The shorter form will clearly displace the longer and more difficult to use in speech form over time. 2 syllables as opposed to 3. This is a common path of language development. Compare helicopter to chopper. Due to usage viri/i is now substantially as correct as "viruses" and it sounds better to boot. Thats just one of the reasons it is overtaking viruses in common usage. Google currently sees : viri/i: 172900 pages viruses: 4100000 pages Yes - currently viruses has the majority , but the growth trend of the viri/i form is clearly going to overtake that majority. Consider that 10 years ago, viri/i had virtually no presence. As we all know, exponential growth patterns accelerate incredibly. > If "common usage" were the only criterion and if email and > Usenet were a significant source of "common usage" then the distinction > between they're/their/there, to/too, its/it's, etc. would have disappeared > long ago. They have not. These examples you give here are homophones. Word that sound alike, but which have different meanings and different spelling. Since the primary purpose of printed languages is to represent the spoken language which preceded it and defines it, can you see any problems with this? When I worked for Dragon Systems on their speech recognition software we did extensive work on how to process and determine homophone identity. It is clear that these words, though spelled differently, ARE all the same word. The accident of of language evolution which caused them to be spelled differently but be pronounced the same is just another example of the many problems of English language. (Other languages have these probs too, but English seems to be particularly full of them) > > One of my favorite quotes: > > "If anybody ever tells you that you're using the language incorrectly, > > just yell 'prescriptive grammarian!' at the top of your voice and all > > the linguists in the building will run over and surround the guy' and > > then they'll rough him up." > > Words matter. What you say and how you say it will determine how you are > judged by others. Lets see - I was a technology analyst for IDC sometime back. Earned my living by writing. Yes, words do matter. Prescriptive grammar doesn't necessarily. > explaining how language changes and says that if enough intellectuals use a > word incorrectly long enough it becomes common usage and then is considered > correct. Dogbert replies that what we need is smarter intellectuals. I don't have any aspirations to become Dogbert. :) -- Linux/Open Source. 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From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 12 08:11:36 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:11:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Application Server Question References: <35841.66.129.41.148.1092270670.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org><1092273852.411ac6bc8b40e@sages.us> <36011.66.129.41.148.1092274617.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <006d01c48043$fcd81400$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Shawn & List.... > Jim Hays said: > > I don't think that the > > additional apps would cause extra bandwidth. I am with Jim on this one... (I may also be wrong...) but I still have minimal traffic ~80Kbps per XDCMP client the only diff is that I call the apps on a separate NIC in the two servers that is dedicated to Appz & NFS... (This is explained in the NFS HOWTO on my site @ Http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) But again, That said please if I am wrong someone else post & let us all know... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 12 13:37:10 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:37:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] -: NEW :- HOWTO Set IceWM as default @ k12ltsp.howtoz.net Message-ID: <000a01c48071$782a14a0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... Well as the subject sayz... -: NEW :- HOWTO Set IceWM as default @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net Thank gose out to HUCK for the post that prompted me to make this HOWTO.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Aug 12 15:52:53 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:52:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Message-ID: <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> /me votes virii On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 03:03, daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > *puts hand up for virii* :D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kinz [mailto:jkinz at kinz.org] > Sent: 11 August 2004 18:54 > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) > > > If you want, you can consider this email part of my campaign to > "legitimize" "viri/i". :) From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 12 15:48:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Josiah Ritchie said: > /me votes virii Ok, out of context this is a horrifying statement... ;) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Aug 12 16:20:19 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:20:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092327619.26667.443.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 11:48, Shawn Powers wrote: > Josiah Ritchie said: > > /me votes virii > > Ok, out of context this is a horrifying statement... > > ;) Right you are. :-) Perhaps I should have kept a bit more of the context of the message in my reply. JSR/ From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Aug 12 16:28:17 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:28:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] HOWTOz added to the K12LTSP WIKI References: <4113E848.90301@paasda.org><005b01c47c91$f05faa40$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <41178664.5030308@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <009e01c48089$5fdb77f0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Petre & list > BTW Gavin, I think it would be a good thing if you would go to the wiki, > > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > and post links to (and descriptions of) your pages. I think people looking for docs > will probably start at the wiki, and without such links, they would miss your how-tos > which may contain exactly the info they need. All done... I have added my site to the wiki & will add Linkz to my individual HOWTOz in a short wile... But @ least I'm listed... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From jkinz at kinz.org Thu Aug 12 16:23:10 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:23:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <1092327619.26667.443.camel@penguin>; from jritchie@bible.edu on Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:20:19PM -0400 References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092327619.26667.443.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <20040812122310.A30444@redline.comcast.net> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:20:19PM -0400, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 11:48, Shawn Powers wrote: > > Josiah Ritchie said: > > > /me votes virii > > Ok, out of context this is a horrifying statement... ;) > > Right you are. :-) Perhaps I should have kept a bit more of the context > of the message in my reply. > > JSR/ Is this why I see a bunch of guys with "FBI" on the back of their dark blue windbreakers suddenly spreading across my lawn? :-) -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Aug 12 16:35:35 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:35:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <20040812122310.A30444@redline.comcast.net> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092327619.26667.443.camel@penguin> <20040812122310.A30444@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1092328535.26674.449.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 12:23, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:20:19PM -0400, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 11:48, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Josiah Ritchie said: > > > > /me votes virii > > > Ok, out of context this is a horrifying statement... ;) > > > > Right you are. :-) Perhaps I should have kept a bit more of the context > > of the message in my reply. > > > > JSR/ > > Is this why I see a bunch of guys with "FBI" on the back of their dark > blue windbreakers suddenly spreading across my lawn? :-) Sorry about that. You can give them my email address. it's none at none.com I'll be glad to answer their questions via that venue. ;-) JSR/ From jkinz at kinz.org Thu Aug 12 16:33:19 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:33:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <1092328535.26674.449.camel@penguin>; from jritchie@bible.edu on Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:35:35PM -0400 References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092327619.26667.443.camel@penguin> <20040812122310.A30444@redline.comcast.net> <1092328535.26674.449.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <20040812123319.B30444@redline.comcast.net> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 12:35:35PM -0400, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > Sorry about that. You can give them my email address. it's none at none.com > I'll be glad to answer their questions via that venue. ;-) > JSR/ Yes officer, it was all his idea and that fertilizer really is for the lawn, honest! Well he said it was his email address..... -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Aug 12 23:13:39 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:13:39 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer permissions Message-ID: <1092352419.13183.12.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Hi Is there a way to limit the printer that users can access? We have a mixture of ltsp jet direct and windows samba printers. I would like to limit the printing to certain printers to only some users. Tim From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Aug 12 23:42:20 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:12:20 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) In-Reply-To: <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A568A@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> <1092325972.26669.435.camel@penguin> <33807.10.10.10.10.1092325704.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092354139.4737.15.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 21:18, Shawn Powers wrote: > Josiah Ritchie said: > > /me votes virii > > Ok, out of context this is a horrifying statement... > > ;) ;-) Since we are nitpicking should it be vote or votes? Like "democrazy" - one person one vote. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From thepiano at pandora.be Fri Aug 13 01:28:15 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:28:15 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT Message-ID: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> Hello I'm trying to find an explanation about the different output formats you can generate at rom-matic.net but cannot find usefull information. Can someone please explain me the differences between the types of fomats? (.com and .zdsk are known yet) thnax in advance folks. Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Aug 13 01:46:18 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:46:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] play dvd? (xposted to k12list and scosug) In-Reply-To: <411AE977.7070707@snet.net> References: <411A8C21.8010202@snet.net> <411AE977.7070707@snet.net> Message-ID: <411C1D6A.2060506@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > anthony baldwin wrote: > > > > Okay, since then I learned that I need a /dev/dvd entry, so I did this: > > ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/dvd > > But still, I don't know how to play the darned things. > I can now mount the dvd at /mnt/dvd. > If I open the dvd in konq I can see these .vob files, ,and I right click > and choose "Open with" and either Xine or Mplayer. > the program (either one) will open and show a blank screen for about .5 > seconds, then stop. Xine will crash. Mplay er show me a gui, with a > nice mplayer splash in the viewer screen. > > Am I getting warmer? > > Any assistance would be highly appreciated. problem solved. I linked /dev/dvd to /mnt/dvd, mounted the dvd and did % mplayer dvd:// I did have to change the xserver setting on mplayer, but then it worked fine. Now I have to buy a bigger monitor (got 15 inches only here)... Like after tax refund time, or something.... -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 13 01:42:48 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT In-Reply-To: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <36419.66.129.41.148.1092361368.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Kevin Verheyen said: > Can someone please explain me the differences between the types of I've used the .zlilo format -- it's what you need to get the boot code to boot from a hard drive (GREAT for donation computers that have a hard drive but no bootable NIC) It's designed to integrate with the LILO program on a boot sector... The others, I'm not sure. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Aug 13 01:42:52 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:42:52 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT In-Reply-To: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <1092361372.13183.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 22:28, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to find an explanation about the different output formats > you can generate > at rom-matic.net > but cannot find usefull information. > > Can someone please explain me the differences between the types of > fomats? > (.com and .zdsk are known yet) zdsk = Floppy version (cat eb.zdsk > /dev/fd0) zrom = Rom version to be written to a eprom iso = Bootable cd liso = cd with support for a floppy like loader zlilo = loadable via a boot loader (lilo, grub etc) zpxe = load etherboot via pxe com = Dos loadable version elf = linux bios Most users will start with the zdsk, possibly graduate to zpxe and do a post graduate degree in zrom (require an eprom programmer or some specific NICs and eproms). Most of the other formats are fairly specalized. Tim From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 02:23:10 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT In-Reply-To: <1092361372.13183.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <20040813022310.39973.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I think the zrom will also work if you put it into an Phoenix or Award BIOS. Chris --- Timothy Legge wrote: > On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 22:28, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > Hello > > > > I'm trying to find an explanation about the > different output formats > > you can generate > > at rom-matic.net > > but cannot find usefull information. > > > > Can someone please explain me the differences > between the types of > > fomats? > > (.com and .zdsk are known yet) > > zdsk = Floppy version (cat eb.zdsk > /dev/fd0) > zrom = Rom version to be written to a eprom > iso = Bootable cd > liso = cd with support for a floppy like loader > zlilo = loadable via a boot loader (lilo, grub etc) > zpxe = load etherboot via pxe > com = Dos loadable version > elf = linux bios > > Most users will start with the zdsk, possibly > graduate to zpxe and do a > post graduate degree in zrom (require an eprom > programmer or some > specific NICs and eproms). > > Most of the other formats are fairly specalized. > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Aug 13 06:15:37 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:15:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT In-Reply-To: <36419.66.129.41.148.1092361368.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> <36419.66.129.41.148.1092361368.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <411C5C89.2030603@cox.net> Do you have any documentation on how to do that? I've been using freedos + .com images on the machines I dont have a boot nic for. Right now I just use the Linux Rescue CD from http://www.sysresccd.org/ From there I fdisk a small dos partion, format /s and copy the freedos files over. Then I reboot to linux on the rescue CD, copy the .com boot image & a dos text editor over using scp. Finally boot back to dos and try the .com image, if it works, edit the autoexec.bat to load this on startup. But using lilo seems cool if for no other reason than a custom splash screen :) Luis Shawn Powers wrote: >Kevin Verheyen said: > > >>Can someone please explain me the differences between the types of >> >> > >I've used the .zlilo format -- it's what you need to get the boot code to >boot from a hard drive (GREAT for donation computers that have a hard >drive but no bootable NIC) It's designed to integrate with the LILO >program on a boot sector... The others, I'm not sure. > >-Shawn > > > > From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Fri Aug 13 07:10:20 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:10:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A569C@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Well if you were a TRUE nerd like the rest of us, you'd have noticed the /me in front of it... Daniel: Hi! Sudev: Hello there --> /me says hi Daniel says hi IRC man! Get with the times! :p -----Original Message----- From: Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] Sent: 13 August 2004 00:42 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Plural of Virus (was Antivirus program for Linux) On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 21:18, Shawn Powers wrote: > Josiah Ritchie said: > > /me votes virii > > Ok, out of context this is a horrifying statement... > > ;) ;-) Since we are nitpicking should it be vote or votes? Like "democrazy" - one person one vote. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. 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From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Fri Aug 13 08:35:37 2004 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:35:37 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Antivirus program for Linux In-Reply-To: <001601c47fba$8dda38f0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <001601c47fba$8dda38f0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <411C7D59.2020405@tclcommunications.co.nz> I find that NOD for linux does a great job of scanning Windows Shares and Profiles cheers From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 13 12:04:29 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT In-Reply-To: <411C5C89.2030603@cox.net> References: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be><36419.66.129.41.148.1092361368.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <411C5C89.2030603@cox.net> Message-ID: <32999.10.10.10.10.1092398669.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Luis Montes said: > Do you have any documentation on how to do that? http://www.peak.org/~mountainman/misc/LTSP-boot.html (It's linked from the LTSP.org contrib area) -Shawn BUT -- I never found how to make the universal boot floppy image into a .zlilo image. That would make my hard drive image universal. :) I do the painstaking process (1) time on a hard drive, and then use G4U to clone it. The cloning process takes seconds to do. BUT when making the G4U image, you have to edit the uploaddisk script so it only copies the first few sectors of the hard drive, otherwise you end up taking 2 hours cloning as it writes ever sector of the drive... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Aug 13 12:05:49 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:05:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OO upgrade Message-ID: <411CAE9D.7090406@msln.net> I installed OO1.1.2 and wanted to update the panel short cuts and make this a default menu setting. Thinking all I had to do is put it in the etc/skel dir. I am WRONG! How do I get the new OO to act like the old one as far as panel short cuts and be setup as default for new users? Thanks Mark Gumprechtm at msln.net From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 13 13:01:54 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:01:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Application Server Question In-Reply-To: <006d01c48043$fcd81400$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <35841.66.129.41.148.1092270670.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org><1092273852.411ac6bc8b40e@sages.us> <36011.66.129.41.148.1092274617.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <006d01c48043$fcd81400$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <411CBBC2.5040103@maltzen.net> At least with rsh, I don't think the traffic goes via the ltsp server. One of the things you have to setup for it to work is the DISPLAY variable and it has to be the address of the client, not the ltsp server. Now with ssh you've got a tunnel setup between the app server and the ltsp server, and the DISPLAY variable points to that tunnel so it seems that would keep the ltsp server in the loop. Petre Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi Shawn & List.... > > > >>Jim Hays said: >> >> >>>I don't think that the >>>additional apps would cause extra bandwidth. >>> >>> > >I am with Jim on this one... >(I may also be wrong...) but I still have minimal traffic ~80Kbps >per XDCMP client the only diff is that I call the apps on a separate NIC >in the two servers that is dedicated to Appz & NFS... >(This is explained in the NFS HOWTO on my site @ Http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > >But again, That said please if I am wrong someone else post & let us all >know... > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 13 13:46:47 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:46:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT In-Reply-To: <1092361372.13183.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092361372.13183.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1092404807.7985.30.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 21:42, Timothy Legge wrote: > zdsk = Floppy version (cat eb.zdsk > /dev/fd0) > zrom = Rom version to be written to a eprom > iso = Bootable cd > liso = cd with support for a floppy like loader > zlilo = loadable via a boot loader (lilo, grub etc) > zpxe = load etherboot via pxe > com = Dos loadable version > elf = linux bios > > Most users will start with the zdsk, possibly graduate to zpxe and do a > post graduate degree in zrom (require an eprom programmer or some > specific NICs and eproms). > > Most of the other formats are fairly specalized. The .iso and liso are considered specialized? I'm assuming they burn to a CD and boot up like a floppy would? Thanks, Josiah From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 13 13:44:24 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:44:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working Message-ID: Hello all! I have several problems with my FC1 server and they may all be related. Adding users. . . When using webmin, when you try to add users, you cn put all the users' information in there but then you click CREATE, it returns with a: panic: realloc at ./user-lib.pl line 928. I have tried versions of webmin all the way back to 1.13x and it does the same thing but the line number is slightly different in each version. So, since it is crunch time and I am needing *badly* to get users added and am having 0 success with teh webmin list (error has been posted in their forum for two weeks now with no responses) I decided to try to use the Users and Groups thing from the RedHat menu. It asks for the root password (unless you are logged in as root already) and then disappears, never to return. So I went to a terminal console screen and ran redhat-config-users from the commandline and got this: [root at leopards archives]# redhat-config-users /usr/share/redhat-config-users/redhat-config-users: line 4: 3480 Segmentation fault /usr/bin/python2.2 /usr/share/redhat-config-users/redhat-config-users.py What could be wrong with this? Could this be why webmin won't add users, either? I really need tog et this fixed ASAP (I've been fussing with it for weeks now and need it working BADLY. The last resort is to go try to learn how to use the commandline adduser thing but I have never made that work successfully to get users in *nix and samba at the same time. Plus, with the number of users I have to add, webmin will work the best. . . Please respond. Thank you. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 13 13:54:39 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:54:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer permissions In-Reply-To: <1092352419.13183.12.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1092352419.13183.12.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1092405279.7985.39.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 19:13, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > Is there a way to limit the printer that users can access? We have a > mixture of ltsp jet direct and windows samba printers. I would like to > limit the printing to certain printers to only some users. You can set group permissions on the device and add the users who are allowed to access it to the group. Remember, everything is a file in linux so their permissions are all the same. Gotta love that. :-) If I was going to do this on my palm on my Gentoo box I'd do something like this (sorry, that's what's in front of me): su groupadd palmusers chgrp palmusers /dev/palm chmod 770 /dev/palm Then I'd edit the palmusers line in /etc/groups and add the users I wanted to have access. JSR/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 13 13:49:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:49:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I have several problems with my FC1 server and they may all > be related. Does an upgrade to the new 4.1.0 with FC2 sound like too drastic of a suggestion? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 13 13:58:14 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:58:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092405494.7985.43.camel@penguin> In the mean time, you can do this on the command-line with useradd or adduser command. My distro has both command yours might not. Use the command 'man useradd' or 'man adduser' for a bit of information on the command options. JSR/ On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 09:44, Doug Simpson wrote: > Hello all! > > I have several problems with my FC1 server and they may all be related. > > Adding users. . . > > When using webmin, when you try to add users, you cn put all the users' > information in there but then you click CREATE, it returns with a: > > panic: realloc at ./user-lib.pl line 928. > > I have tried versions of webmin all the way back to 1.13x and it does the > same thing but the line number is slightly different in each version. > > So, since it is crunch time and I am needing *badly* to get users added > and am having 0 success with teh webmin list (error has been posted in > their forum for two weeks now with no responses) I decided to try to use > the Users and Groups thing from the RedHat menu. It asks for the root > password (unless you are logged in as root already) and then disappears, > never to return. > > So I went to a terminal console screen and ran redhat-config-users from > the commandline and got this: > > [root at leopards archives]# redhat-config-users > /usr/share/redhat-config-users/redhat-config-users: line 4: 3480 > Segmentation fault /usr/bin/python2.2 > /usr/share/redhat-config-users/redhat-config-users.py > > What could be wrong with this? Could this be why webmin won't add users, > either? > > I really need tog et this fixed ASAP (I've been fussing with it for weeks > now and need it working BADLY. > > The last resort is to go try to learn how to use the commandline adduser > thing but I have never made that work successfully to get users in *nix > and samba at the same time. Plus, with the number of users I have to add, > webmin will work the best. . . > > Please respond. > > Thank you. > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 13 13:52:03 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:52:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Only if it will install right over the top of FC1 and not break anything. How could I do that without having to burn a set of FC2 CDs? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have several problems with my FC1 server and they may all > > be related. > > Does an upgrade to the new 4.1.0 with FC2 sound like too drastic of a > suggestion? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 13 13:53:44 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:53:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: addendum to last reply. . . Funny thing. . . I have installed this same CD set on several other computers with no problems. Just this one id the only one that is behaving badly. . . Could it be a problem with the multi-processors? There was some discussion about multi-processors behaving badly. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have several problems with my FC1 server and they may all > > be related. > > Does an upgrade to the new 4.1.0 with FC2 sound like too drastic of a > suggestion? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Aug 13 13:53:52 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:53:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards Message-ID: <411CC7F0.9070801@honeygroveisd.net> Can anyone recommend a good, dependable, and preferably cheap video card known to work well with K12LTSP? I've got a bunch of old PCs laying around that I'd like to turn into thin clients, but the installed Trident 9660 video cards don't work. Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes." -- H.D. Thoreau From fgarat at strixs.com Fri Aug 13 13:54:36 2004 From: fgarat at strixs.com (Facundo Garat :: Strix Solutions) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:54:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OO upgrade Message-ID: Why don't you create links from the new path to the old ones? > I installed OO1.1.2 and wanted to update the panel short cuts and make > this a default menu setting. Thinking all I had to do is put it in the > etc/skel dir. I am WRONG! How do I get the new OO to act like the old > one as far as panel short cuts and be setup as default for new users? > Thanks > Mark > Gumprechtm at msln.net > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Facundo Garat :: Strix Solutions www.strixs.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 13 14:00:32 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:00:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c4813d$e5e64c80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Only if it will install right over the top of FC1 and not > break anything. > > How could I do that without having to burn a set of FC2 CDs? I personally have no idea what the implecations would be with an upgrade. I am sure no one here would suggest an upgrade over a clean install, but sometimes there just isn't an option. As far as how to do it without CD's I am not sure, I have plenty of bandwidth here and often forget about those who don't. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 13 14:01:46 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:01:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <411CC7F0.9070801@honeygroveisd.net> References: <411CC7F0.9070801@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: Actually the trident 9660's do work ok, but you have to specify the parameters in the lts.conf file. I can't remember what those parameters are offhand and it has been a while since I used one of those. If I can find one laying around, Ii will get you the parameters that worked for me. Otherwise the NVidia G-Force cards are pretty cheap and auto-detect and work ok. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good, dependable, and preferably cheap video card > known to work well with K12LTSP? I've got a bunch of old PCs laying > around that I'd like to turn into thin clients, but the installed > Trident 9660 video cards don't work. Thanks in advance. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes." -- H.D. Thoreau > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 13 14:04:03 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:04:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <000901c4813d$e5e64c80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000901c4813d$e5e64c80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I have T1 here so bandwidht is not a problem. You mentioned you forget about those with bandwidth restrictions. . . I took that to mean there is a way without making CDs if you have the bandwidth. . . Tell-tell! Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Only if it will install right over the top of FC1 and not > > break anything. > > > > How could I do that without having to burn a set of FC2 CDs? > > I personally have no idea what the implecations would be with an > upgrade. I am sure no one here would suggest an upgrade over a clean > install, but sometimes there just isn't an option. > > As far as how to do it without CD's I am not sure, I have plenty of > bandwidth here and often forget about those who don't. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 13 14:10:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:10:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c4813f$3dd18300$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I have T1 here so bandwidht is not a problem. You mentioned > you forget > about those with bandwidth restrictions. . . I took that to > mean there is > a way without making CDs if you have the bandwidth. . . > > Tell-tell! Sorry about the confusion. I just assumed since you wanted to do it without CD's you meant that you didn't have the bandwidth to download the iso's. No magic trick here, I just download the iso's and burn CD's for anything I do. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 13 14:11:54 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:11:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <000a01c4813f$3dd18300$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000a01c4813f$3dd18300$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: OK, that is how I usually do it, too. . . I was just trying to keep from increasing my stack of K12LTSP CDs which is getting pretty tall. . . Thanks. P.S. Anyone else on this list think I would have any problems upgrading from FC1 to FC1 on a live system without breaking anything? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have T1 here so bandwidht is not a problem. You mentioned > > you forget > > about those with bandwidth restrictions. . . I took that to > > mean there is > > a way without making CDs if you have the bandwidth. . . > > > > Tell-tell! > > Sorry about the confusion. I just assumed since you wanted to do it > without CD's you meant that you didn't have the bandwidth to download > the iso's. No magic trick here, I just download the iso's and burn CD's > for anything I do. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Aug 13 14:15:44 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:15:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency network backup using STAR && ssh Message-ID: <1092406544.4048.7.camel@phoenix> For the moment, Coastal South Carolina (and coastal Georgia) are on the predicted path for Hurricane Charley. Not knowing what strength it will be after hitting Tampa Bay, FL (which is where Eckerd College www.eckerd.edu, the college I graduated from is situated right on the water... it'll be covered by possibly 10 ft surges from the 110 mph storm), I am trying to backup some of the teacher's PCs (unfortunately I don't have Amanda or any other network backup software operating on those PCs b/c of a shortage of network filespace). Also on that list is my own system, which I need to backup about 15 gigs to a remote tape drive (which I have backed that server up using good ole DUMP). My system is running Linux, and I have STAR installed, which should be able to use ssh. Otherwise, I'll have to get rsh installed and configured for running DUMP. Anyone gotten STAR operating via ssh? -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just my $0.02 -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 13 14:36:33 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:36:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <38075.10.10.10.10.1092407498.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <000a01c4813f$3dd18300$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <38075.10.10.10.10.1092407498.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Well, backing up /home is not the only problem. This dude does everything. Mail (NeoMail) samba (servers the whole district with domain authentication) Web services antivirus (for the windows computer authenticating from it) and on and on. . . probably a thousand different user accounts Not an easy task to do in a coupla days and expect to make work. . . Anyone have any ideas about fixing the one I have for now? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > Doug Simpson said: > > P.S. Anyone else on this list think I would have any problems upgrading > > from FC1 to FC1 on a live system without breaking anything? > > I assume you mean to FC2 -- and golly, I wouldn't do it... Especially > with school coming so soon. Generally upgrading from somethign like 4.0.0 > to 4.0.1 is painless, but to go all the way from 4.0 to 4.1 -- ouch. > > I would expect a lot of issues, and MAYBE you'll be pleasantly surprised > and not have too many. I would expect a lot of headaches though. > > Again, only do that if you must. If you can back up the /home directory, > and install clean -- you'll probably be happier. > > Just my $0.02 > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From info at proex-india.com Fri Aug 13 14:42:02 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:12:02 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] how to buidl own kernel for version 4 and above Message-ID: <200408131442.i7DEgIe1025160@mx1.redhat.com> i would like to build my own kernel with the pxelinux option , how to do this is with pxe , i am able to compile it for etherboot with the helpof mknbi-linux option. But pxelinux is good option , how to unable for this. help and guidence will be appreciated. Regards K.dinesh WebSite:www.proex-india.com *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Aug 13 14:43:34 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:43:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OO upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411CD396.5090207@msln.net> It's very interesting. I removed the old OO and installed the new one as root. I set it up as ./setup -net. That may be my error. I installed the workstation install in one of the clients. It seems to install and will work for a while. Then about 15 minutes after closing the program I try to re-open. It wants to install again! Besides I wanted to incoporate the new software into the install for new users. I am wondering if I should have just installed it in a shared directory and then linked to that. ANy one have an Idea? Thanks Mark Facundo Garat :: Strix Solutions wrote: >Why don't you create links from the new path to the old ones? > > > >>I installed OO1.1.2 and wanted to update the panel short cuts and >> >> >make > > >>this a default menu setting. Thinking all I had to do is put it in >> >> >the > > >>etc/skel dir. I am WRONG! How do I get the new OO to act like the >> >> >old > > >>one as far as panel short cuts and be setup as default for new >> >> >users? > > >>Thanks >>Mark >>Gumprechtm at msln.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > >-- >Facundo Garat :: Strix Solutions >www.strixs.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 13 14:47:26 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:47:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <411CC7F0.9070801@honeygroveisd.net> References: <411CC7F0.9070801@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: >Can anyone recommend a good, dependable, and preferably cheap video >card known to work well with K12LTSP? I've got a bunch of old PCs >laying around that I'd like to turn into thin clients, but the >installed Trident 9660 video cards don't work. Thanks in advance. We are having trouble with Trident 9680s too. They worked great with the K12LTSP 3.1 and the 2.4.21 client kernel but they flake out big time with the client kernel 2.4.24 kernel under 4.0.1. What happens for me the kernel downloads no problem but right after it uncompresses the kernel and checks the video card the screen won't sync. It all happens long before it tries to start Xwindows. Is that what you are seeing or is it flaking out at the very last step when it tries to run Xwindows? Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From jam at mcquil.com Fri Aug 13 14:57:13 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Scott, The 2.4.24-ltsp-1 kernel had lots of problems with trident. That's because I included the "experimental" support for tridentfb in that kernel. Quite a while ago, I released 2.4.24-ltsp-4, which is in the ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 package on the ltsp.org download page. That fixed the problem with trident video. I'm pretty sure that eric also released an update to fix it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Scott Sherrill wrote: > >Can anyone recommend a good, dependable, and preferably cheap video > >card known to work well with K12LTSP? I've got a bunch of old PCs > >laying around that I'd like to turn into thin clients, but the > >installed Trident 9660 video cards don't work. Thanks in advance. > > We are having trouble with Trident 9680s too. They worked great with > the K12LTSP 3.1 and the 2.4.21 client kernel but they flake out big > time with the client kernel 2.4.24 kernel under 4.0.1. > > What happens for me the kernel downloads no problem but right after > it uncompresses the kernel and checks the video card the screen won't > sync. It all happens long before it tries to start Xwindows. > > Is that what you are seeing or is it flaking out at the very last > step when it tries to run Xwindows? > > > Scott > > > > From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Aug 13 14:57:13 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:57:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <38075.10.10.10.10.1092407498.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <000a01c4813f$3dd18300$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <38075.10.10.10.10.1092407498.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092409033.3838.16.camel@stmaurice.mb.ca> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 09:31, Shawn Powers wrote: > Doug Simpson said: > > P.S. Anyone else on this list think I would have any problems upgrading > > from FC1 to FC1 on a live system without breaking anything? > > I assume you mean to FC2 -- and golly, I wouldn't do it... Especially > with school coming so soon. Generally upgrading from somethign like 4.0.0 > to 4.0.1 is painless, but to go all the way from 4.0 to 4.1 -- ouch. > I have spent the summer playing with K12ltsp, the version with FC1 I think it is 4.0.1? After installing, apt-getting, etc and installing the additional progs I wanted on the server, I successfully connected 32 thin client workstations and on high end laptop(mine) when booting off network. This preserved all the files on the laptop's hard drive which was a big plus. The only thing special I had to do was to the laptop. when booting off the network it would go part way through loading the kernel etc and fail on video, so I had to modify the server's lts.conf file to include mac address reference to the laptop with XSERVER = ati Then the laptop worked fine on the network while preserving my ability to boot up and work on the road. Excellent! Then I used batch files, which I still have, to add over 500 users to the system. There will only be 32 users logging in at a time, but in the course of the school schedule, over 500 people use those 32 computers. The workstations function fine except for sound. I played with lts.conf again and managed to get the ability to play .wav files but not much else. I can't hear sound when going to a website that has sound, or play and hear sound from within games, etc. I also do not like the ftp-like procedure to use the workstations floppy drives. Don't get me wrong, I understand how to use it, and could show the older students how to do so, but the younger grades(we teach kindergarten to Grade 12 here) as well as some teachers, would be lost or definitely frustrated. To make a long story short, I have yet to put any real data, or unrecoverable info on the server. The work of installing I will do again if I have to. Adding the users again is just a matter of running the batch files again. I downloaded the latest/final release of K12LTSP 4.1 the other day. I can burn the iso's and reinstall everything. But I want to know if it is worth doing so. Everything seems to work fine with the version I now have with the exception of the sound on the workstations and the ease of use issue of the floppies. Does the 4.1 version solve most of these problems? Or at least the sound problem? I can live with the floppy issue but think the kids will hate it if they don't get sound. I will do a clean install if someone can tell me that the sound and or floppy problems will go away BTW, the workstations are IBM 300PL model 6562's with onboard nics, video, and sound. nics and vidio work fine with bios upgraded, sound is a Crystal sound card on board, and like I say, I have yet to get them fully functional with 4.0.1 version of K12LTSP thanks for any advice/help you can give me > I would expect a lot of issues, and MAYBE you'll be pleasantly surprised > and not have too many. I would expect a lot of headaches though. > > Again, only do that if you must. If you can back up the /home directory, > and install clean -- you'll probably be happier. > > Just my $0.02 > -Shawn > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 13 15:06:19 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:06:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jim - going to check it out. I checked and I am running Eric's rpm ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0 Between 3.0.15 and my newly downloaded isos of 4.1 I should be in business. Thanks again, Scott >Scott, > >The 2.4.24-ltsp-1 kernel had lots of problems with trident. That's >because I included the "experimental" support for tridentfb in that >kernel. > >Quite a while ago, I released 2.4.24-ltsp-4, which is in the >ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 package on the ltsp.org download page. > >That fixed the problem with trident video. > >I'm pretty sure that eric also released an update to fix it. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Scott Sherrill wrote: > >> >Can anyone recommend a good, dependable, and preferably cheap video >> >card known to work well with K12LTSP? I've got a bunch of old PCs >> >laying around that I'd like to turn into thin clients, but the >> >installed Trident 9660 video cards don't work. Thanks in advance. >> >> We are having trouble with Trident 9680s too. They worked great with >> the K12LTSP 3.1 and the 2.4.21 client kernel but they flake out big >> time with the client kernel 2.4.24 kernel under 4.0.1. >> >> What happens for me the kernel downloads no problem but right after >> it uncompresses the kernel and checks the video card the screen won't >> sync. It all happens long before it tries to start Xwindows. >> >> Is that what you are seeing or is it flaking out at the very last >> step when it tries to run Xwindows? >> >> >> Scott >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Aug 13 15:08:29 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:08:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <20040813145733.0921572F98@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040813145733.0921572F98@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <411CD96D.7040906@honeygroveisd.net> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] Video Cards > From: > jam at mcquil.com > Date: > Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:57:13 -0400 (EDT) > To: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > To: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > >Scott, > >The 2.4.24-ltsp-1 kernel had lots of problems with trident. That's >because I included the "experimental" support for tridentfb in that >kernel. > >Quite a while ago, I released 2.4.24-ltsp-4, which is in the >ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 package on the ltsp.org download page. > >That fixed the problem with trident video. > >I'm pretty sure that eric also released an update to fix it. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > >>>Can anyone recommend a good, dependable, and preferably cheap video >>>card known to work well with K12LTSP? I've got a bunch of old PCs >>>laying around that I'd like to turn into thin clients, but the >>>installed Trident 9660 video cards don't work. Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>We are having trouble with Trident 9680s too. They worked great with >>the K12LTSP 3.1 and the 2.4.21 client kernel but they flake out big >>time with the client kernel 2.4.24 kernel under 4.0.1. >> >>What happens for me the kernel downloads no problem but right after >>it uncompresses the kernel and checks the video card the screen won't >>sync. It all happens long before it tries to start Xwindows. >> >>Is that what you are seeing or is it flaking out at the very last >>step when it tries to run Xwindows? >> >> >>Scott >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > Jim and Scott, Ok, that's exactly the problem I'm having, and the problem I would very much like to fix. But I understood basically nothing in your message, Jim. Can you tell me how to download and install the proper kernel, and you'll have to speak to me like I'm an idiot, because... well... I am. ;) -- C-ya, Mark ____ "The absence of alternatives clears the mind marvelously." -- Henry Kissinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 13 15:43:06 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:43:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <411CD96D.7040906@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20040813145733.0921572F98@hormel.redhat.com> <411CD96D.7040906@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: Mark what we need to do is get a new kernel for the clients to use that works well with Trident cards. I looked real quick and I didn't find a K12LTSP package so I downloaded and installed the kernel and libraries with the following command (that is all on one line): rpm -ivh http://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ltsp/ltsp_kernel-3.0.15-0.i386.rpm The last step is to use the new kernel I did that with the command: ln -sf /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.24-ltsp-4 /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp the file vmlinuz.ltsp is a symbolic link that you point at your latest and greatest client kernel. The above command does that for you. You can also update your /etc/dhcpd.conf file and tell it to use the new kernel instead but the above way is quicker. Yell if you have problems Mark and I will help the best I can. Jim it fixed things for me! -- Thanks for the fast reply!!! Man I love this list - Scott > > Ok, that's exactly the problem I'm having, and the problem I >would very much like to fix. But I understood basically nothing in >your message, Jim. Can you tell me how to download and install the >proper kernel, and you'll have to speak to me like I'm an idiot, >because... well... I am. ;) >-- >C-ya, >Mark >____ >"The absence of alternatives clears the mind marvelously." -- Henry Kissinger > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 13 15:45:21 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:45:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <411CD96D.7040906@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20040813145733.0921572F98@hormel.redhat.com> <411CD96D.7040906@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1092411921.17744.51.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 08:08, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > From: jam at mcquil.com > > > > > > Quite a while ago, I released 2.4.24-ltsp-4, which is in the > > ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 package on the ltsp.org download page. > > > > That fixed the problem with trident video. > > > > I'm pretty sure that eric also released an update to fix it. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > I released an update, but on double-checking I had not added it to the repositories. Doh! > Jim and Scott, > Ok, that's exactly the problem I'm having, and the problem I would > very much like to fix. But I understood basically nothing in your > message, Jim. Can you tell me how to download and install the proper > kernel, and you'll have to speak to me like I'm an idiot, because... > well... I am. ;) Mark, you should be able to update your system and it will install the updated kernel: up2date -u -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a lot of documentation at: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php With a quick glance, I think this is the docs that would interest you: http://www.cups.org/sam.html#4_3_7 -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Place the kernel and initrd in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/ and edit /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/default to match the filenames. That is all there is to it. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Aug 13 16:30:30 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:30:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: References: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1092414630.17765.53.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 06:52, Doug Simpson wrote: > Only if it will install right over the top of FC1 and not break anything. > > How could I do that without having to burn a set of FC2 CDs? I did this to two terminal servers and a couple other assorted boxes and was pleased with the results. This doesn't mean it won't eat your data, but it worked OK for me. Have good backups. 1. Install fedora-release RPM from FC2. 2. Double-check that your /etc/yum.conf is sane and using the $releasever macro or otherwise pointing to FC2 and K12LTSP 4.1 repositories. 3. yum upgrade 4. There is no step 4. OK, I'm being a bit facetious. You probably will have some clean up. GDM upgrades invariably stomp on /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf so you'll need to re-enable XDMCP or else suffer the gray screen of death. I really didn't have to do much else. Gnome desktops were a bit ugly until I blew out ~/.gnome* stuff. YMMV. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 13 17:06:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:06:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrades, Was: user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <000901c4813d$e5e64c80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000901c4813d$e5e64c80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1092416761.17744.100.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 07:00, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Only if it will install right over the top of FC1 and not > > break anything. > > > > How could I do that without having to burn a set of FC2 CDs? > > I personally have no idea what the implecations would be with an > upgrade. I am sure no one here would suggest an upgrade over a clean > install, but sometimes there just isn't an option. I've upgraded ~20 production servers so far, without a single significant problem. Two of the upgrades were from RH72 -> FC2. > As far as how to do it without CD's I am not sure, I have plenty of > bandwidth here and often forget about those who don't. There are several people/companies that sell K12LTSP ISOs. Some are listed at: http://k12ltsp.org/order.html But since Doug was asking about ISO-less installs, here is a quick HOWTO. Note that this is not really recommended, but it does work if the network connection is reliable. In any case it will likely be slow. Note: this is for K12LTSP 4.1.0. These instructions work for older releases, just substitute the version number in the pathnames. 1. Download the boot image (about 4MB in size) and burn it on a CDR: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/i386/images/boot.iso NOTE: if you BIOS supports booting off a USB drive, you can use the diskboot.img instead of the boot.iso. See: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/i386/images/README 2. boot off the iso (or USB drive) 3. when you are prompted for the install source, select FTP 4. hostname: k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us directory: /pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/i386/ 5. install/upgrade like normal -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Aug 13 17:28:18 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:28:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Locking down browser proxy settings and homepage Message-ID: <20040813172818.GA30231@wizzy.com> Folks, I need to arrange that students have their proxy settings and home page are preconfigured on startup. The following is a hack to the mozbyteshift perl program to do all the settings. You can see the changes that will be made - after the __DATA__ line in the perl script. As root, invoke it as # proxy.pl hostname.example.com Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/perl # lock down browser homepage and proxy settings # Andy Rabagliati # http://wizzy.org.za/ use encoding 'latin1'; use strict; sub usage() { print "Usage: $0 \n"; exit 1; } usage() if (@ARGV != 1); my $hostname = $ARGV[0]; # Byteshifting program for mozilla's netscape.cfg files # Old netscape 4.x uses a bytechift of 7 # To decode: moz-byteshift.pl -s -7 netscape.cfg.txt # To encode: moz-byteshift.pl -s 7 netscape.cfg # Mozilla uses a byteshift of 13 # To decode: moz-byteshift.pl -s -13 netscape.cfg.txt # To encode: moz-byteshift.pl -s 13 netscape.cfg # To activate the netscape.cfg file, place the encoded netscape.cfg file # into your C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla directory. # Then add the following line to your # C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla\defaults\pref\all.js file : # pref("general.config.filename", "mozilla.cfg"); my $buffer; my $mozillacfg; while ($_ = ) { $_ =~ s/_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_/$hostname/g; $buffer .= $_; } # lazy - but chop is convenient $buffer = reverse ($buffer); binmode(STDOUT, ":raw"); while(length($buffer)) { my $byte = ord(chop($buffer)); $byte += 512 + 13; $mozillacfg .= pack("c", $byte); } # calling all browsers .. my @all = glob("/usr/lib/*/defaults/pref/all.js"); for my $f (@all) { # read in file, skipping anything that mentions general.config.filename open(FILE, $f) || die "Cannot read $f: $!"; undef ($buffer); while ($_ = ) { if ($_ !~ /general.config.filename/) { $buffer .= $_; } } close (FILE); # add our version of general.config.filename $buffer .= 'pref("general.config.filename","mozilla.cfg");//WIZZY' . "\n"; # write it out again open (FILE, "> $f") || die "Cannot write to $f: $!"; print FILE $buffer; close (FILE); # get path to mozilla.cfg $f =~ s:defaults/pref/all.js::; $f .= 'mozilla.cfg'; # write it open (FILE, "> $f") || die "Cannot write to $f: $!"; print FILE $mozillacfg; close (FILE); } __DATA__ // Wizzy mozilla defaults lockdown for _WIZZY_HOSTNAME_ lockPref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0); defaultPref("security.warn_entering_secure", false); defaultPref("security.warn_submit_insecure", false); lockPref("browser.cache.enable",false); lockPref("network.proxy.type",1); lockPref("network.proxy.ftp","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); lockPref("network.proxy.ftp_port",8080); lockPref("network.proxy.http","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); lockPref("network.proxy.http_port",8080); lockPref("network.proxy.ssl","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); lockPref("network.proxy.ssl_port",8080); lockPref("browser.startup.homepage","http://_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_/"); From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 13 17:54:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:54:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency network backup using STAR && ssh In-Reply-To: <1092406544.4048.7.camel@phoenix> References: <1092406544.4048.7.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <1092419694.13212.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 09:15, Henry Burroughs wrote: > For the moment, Coastal South Carolina (and coastal Georgia) are on > the predicted path for Hurricane Charley. Not knowing what strength > it will be after hitting Tampa Bay, FL (which is where Eckerd College > www.eckerd.edu, the college I graduated from is situated right on the > water... it'll be covered by possibly 10 ft surges from the 110 mph > storm), I am trying to backup some of the teacher's PCs (unfortunately > I don't have Amanda or any other network backup software operating on > those PCs b/c of a shortage of network filespace). Also on that list > is my own system, which I need to backup about 15 gigs to a remote > tape drive (which I have backed that server up using good ole DUMP). > My system is running Linux, and I have STAR installed, which should be > able to use ssh. Otherwise, I'll have to get rsh installed and > configured for running DUMP. Anyone gotten STAR operating via ssh? Star has it's own concept of remote access using host:/device notation and you need it's version of rmt configured on the tape host. If you don't already have that set up and star installed on all the remotes, it would probably be faster to NFS export the other boxes filesystems to your tape machine, mount them and tar them up like they were local with star or gnutar. Or you can do a brute force ssh from either end tarring to stdout: from tape host: ssh root at remote "cd / ; tar cf - . " |dd of=/dev/nst0 from remote: cd / tar cf - . | ssh root at tapehost dd of=/dev/nst0 (Actually I prefer to cd to the top of each filesystem separately and add --one-file-system to the gnutar command. I think star limits itself to one filesystem by default). If the remotes are windows boxes and you have access to the admin accounts you can use smbtar, something like (untested..): smbtar -s server -x 'C$' -u Administrator -t /dev/nst0 the 'C$' is the hidden admin share for the C drive (do them all...) and needs the single quote to protect the $ from shell expansion. It should prompt for the administrator password or you can add a -p password to the command line. Smbtar is a shell wrapper for smbclient so you can use smbclient directly for more interactive access to the machine but note that the options are specified differently. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Aug 13 18:00:57 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:00:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards Message-ID: <411D01D9.8050909@honeygroveisd.net> > > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] Video Cards > From: > Eric Harrison > Date: > Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:45:21 -0700 > > To: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > >On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 08:08, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > >>>> > >>>> > ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> > From: jam at mcquil.com >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> > > > >>>> > Quite a while ago, I released 2.4.24-ltsp-4, which is in the >>>> > ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 package on the ltsp.org download page. >>>> > >>>> > That fixed the problem with trident video. >>>> > >>>> > I'm pretty sure that eric also released an update to fix it. >>>> > >>>> > Jim McQuillan >>>> > jam at Ltsp.org >>>> > >>> >>> > >I released an update, but on double-checking I had not added it to the >repositories. Doh! > > > >>> Jim and Scott, >>> Ok, that's exactly the problem I'm having, and the problem I would >>> very much like to fix. But I understood basically nothing in your >>> message, Jim. Can you tell me how to download and install the proper >>> kernel, and you'll have to speak to me like I'm an idiot, because... >>> well... I am. ;) >> >> > > >Mark, you should be able to update your system and it will install the >updated kernel: > > up2date -u > > >-Eric > > > Eric, I ran "up2date -u" and it told me that everything was up to date. I used Scott's instructions and got things working the way I'd hoped they would, but I just thought I'd let you know that "up2date -u" didn't work for me. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." -- Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 13 18:08:07 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:08:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency network backup using STAR && ssh In-Reply-To: <1092419694.13212.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1092406544.4048.7.camel@phoenix> <1092419694.13212.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You might also use rsync over ssh or sftp instead of using NFS over the internet. On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:54 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 09:15, Henry Burroughs wrote: >> For the moment, Coastal South Carolina (and coastal Georgia) are on >> the predicted path for Hurricane Charley. Not knowing what strength >> it will be after hitting Tampa Bay, FL (which is where Eckerd College >> www.eckerd.edu, the college I graduated from is situated right on the >> water... it'll be covered by possibly 10 ft surges from the 110 mph >> storm), I am trying to backup some of the teacher's PCs (unfortunately >> I don't have Amanda or any other network backup software operating on >> those PCs b/c of a shortage of network filespace). Also on that list >> is my own system, which I need to backup about 15 gigs to a remote >> tape drive (which I have backed that server up using good ole DUMP). >> My system is running Linux, and I have STAR installed, which should be >> able to use ssh. Otherwise, I'll have to get rsh installed and >> configured for running DUMP. Anyone gotten STAR operating via ssh? > > Star has it's own concept of remote access using host:/device notation > and you need it's version of rmt configured on the tape host. If > you don't already have that set up and star installed on all the > remotes, it would probably be faster to NFS export the other > boxes filesystems to your tape machine, mount them and tar them > up like they were local with star or gnutar. Or you can do > a brute force ssh from either end tarring to stdout: > from tape host: > ssh root at remote "cd / ; tar cf - . " |dd of=/dev/nst0 > from remote: > cd / > tar cf - . | ssh root at tapehost dd of=/dev/nst0 > (Actually I prefer to cd to the top of each filesystem separately > and add --one-file-system to the gnutar command. I think star > limits itself to one filesystem by default). > > If the remotes are windows boxes and you have access to > the admin accounts you can use smbtar, something like > (untested..): > smbtar -s server -x 'C$' -u Administrator -t /dev/nst0 > the 'C$' is the hidden admin share for the C drive (do them all...) > and needs the single quote to protect the $ from shell expansion. > It should prompt for the administrator password or you can > add a -p password to the command line. Smbtar is a shell wrapper > for smbclient so you can use smbclient directly for more interactive > access to the machine but note that the options are specified > differently. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEdA4cACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQukwCdGHAsjVEFjYrUUvd3shLgncC3 FTMAnirzTTqvgGMX6o1zQy+6bbXkmEA+ =LjHl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 13 18:28:16 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:28:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards In-Reply-To: <411D01D9.8050909@honeygroveisd.net> References: <411D01D9.8050909@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1092421695.17744.108.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 11:00, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Mark, you should be able to update your system and it will install the > > updated kernel: > > > > up2date -u > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > Eric, > I ran "up2date -u" and it told me that everything was up to date. > I used Scott's instructions and got things working the way I'd hoped > they would, but I just thought I'd let you know that "up2date -u" > didn't work for me. Scott's instructions install the exact same software as mine does, so no worries there. But the "up2date -u" _should_ have picked up the update from my repositories. If you didn't see the ltsp_kernel update, you might be missing other updates as well. Double check to make sure that the entry for the K12LTSP repositories has not been removed. Check /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources, it should have the following line: yum k12ltsp ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/ You might as well check yum & apt while we're at it. /etc/yum.conf: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fedora/ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list: rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ yum/fedora k12ltsp os updates non-free extras rpm-src ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ yum/fedora k12ltsp os updates non-free extras -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From olle at paalalinn.com Fri Aug 13 20:30:46 2004 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:30:46 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyoard layout on 4.1.0 terminals Message-ID: <1092429046.4383.36.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> So this is the story: I use Estonian keyboard, so in lts.conf I modified lines: XkbSymbols = "ee(pc101)" XkbLayout = "ee" So server works fine even without modifying anything. And terminal works fine too when I type username and password. After loging in there is pure us layout. Temporarily I can change layout when with I run System settings - Keyboard and point in Estonian and click OK. But it requires root privileges and I can't tell it anyone. What to change and where? in us layout ]';[ keys are in ee layout oaou all whit dots or tildes. Second Question, not very important: And where comes these logout delays somethimes? In 2 servers even in terminals and server. Even when root user logs off from graphical desktop. No allways, but somethimes delay is long. If delay exist. I think 10 seconds to 60 seconds. But mostly is all ok - no delay. I installed KDE environment too in both servers, but never used them. Olle Niit Viljandi Valuoja Elementary School From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Aug 13 20:40:54 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:40:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Upgrades, Was: user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <20040813180137.628A873C27@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040813180137.628A873C27@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <411D2756.5080204@saskforestcentre.ca> Another method for an existing server which is presently working is to use the kernel and initrd.img in ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/i386/images/pxeboot/ to boot directly from GRUB. I've done this before with FC2, and it worked then. Of course, it is largely similar to what you are suggesting, but works very well for not wasting media. That wafer of plastic and Aluminum doesn't mean much, but over the life of a typical administrator, how many of them are there? In terms of download time, it's irrelevant. They are the same files, just not packed up in a .iso file. Angus. k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >But since Doug was asking about ISO-less installs, here is a quick >HOWTO. Note that this is not really recommended, but it does work if >the network connection is reliable. In any case it will likely be slow. > >Note: this is for K12LTSP 4.1.0. These instructions work for older >releases, just substitute the version number in the pathnames. > >1. Download the boot image (about 4MB in size) and burn it on a CDR: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/i386/images/boot.iso > > NOTE: if you BIOS supports booting off a USB drive, you can use > the diskboot.img instead of the boot.iso. See: > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/i386/images/README > >2. boot off the iso (or USB drive) > >3. when you are prompted for the install source, select FTP > >4. hostname: k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us > directory: /pub/K12LTSP/4.1.0/i386/ > >5. install/upgrade like normal > > >-Eric >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: not available >Type: application/pgp-signature >Size: 189 bytes >Desc: This is a digitally signed message part >Url : /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040813/019c2b3d/attachment.bin > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:28:18 +0200 >From: Andy Rabagliati >Subject: [K12OSN] Locking down browser proxy settings and homepage >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <20040813172818.GA30231 at wizzy.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Folks, > > I need to arrange that students have their proxy settings and > home page are preconfigured on startup. > > The following is a hack to the mozbyteshift perl program to > do all the settings. > > You can see the changes that will be made - after the __DATA__ > line in the perl script. > > As root, invoke it as > > # proxy.pl hostname.example.com > >Cheers, Andy! > >http://wizzy.org.za/ > > >-------------- next part -------------- >#!/usr/bin/perl > ># lock down browser homepage and proxy settings ># Andy Rabagliati ># http://wizzy.org.za/ > >use encoding 'latin1'; >use strict; > >sub usage() { > print "Usage: $0 \n"; > exit 1; >} > >usage() if (@ARGV != 1); > >my $hostname = $ARGV[0]; > ># Byteshifting program for mozilla's netscape.cfg files > ># Old netscape 4.x uses a bytechift of 7 ># To decode: moz-byteshift.pl -s -7 netscape.cfg.txt ># To encode: moz-byteshift.pl -s 7 netscape.cfg > ># Mozilla uses a byteshift of 13 ># To decode: moz-byteshift.pl -s -13 netscape.cfg.txt ># To encode: moz-byteshift.pl -s 13 netscape.cfg > ># To activate the netscape.cfg file, place the encoded netscape.cfg file ># into your C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla directory. ># Then add the following line to your ># C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla\defaults\pref\all.js file : ># pref("general.config.filename", "mozilla.cfg"); > >my $buffer; >my $mozillacfg; > >while ($_ = ) { > $_ =~ s/_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_/$hostname/g; > $buffer .= $_; >} > ># lazy - but chop is convenient > >$buffer = reverse ($buffer); > >binmode(STDOUT, ":raw"); > >while(length($buffer)) { > my $byte = ord(chop($buffer)); > $byte += 512 + 13; > $mozillacfg .= pack("c", $byte); >} > ># calling all browsers .. >my @all = glob("/usr/lib/*/defaults/pref/all.js"); > >for my $f (@all) { > # read in file, skipping anything that mentions general.config.filename > open(FILE, $f) || die "Cannot read $f: $!"; > undef ($buffer); > while ($_ = ) { > if ($_ !~ /general.config.filename/) { > $buffer .= $_; > } > } > close (FILE); > # add our version of general.config.filename > $buffer .= 'pref("general.config.filename","mozilla.cfg");//WIZZY' . "\n"; > # write it out again > open (FILE, "> $f") || die "Cannot write to $f: $!"; > print FILE $buffer; > close (FILE); > # get path to mozilla.cfg > $f =~ s:defaults/pref/all.js::; > $f .= 'mozilla.cfg'; > # write it > open (FILE, "> $f") || die "Cannot write to $f: $!"; > print FILE $mozillacfg; > close (FILE); >} > >__DATA__ >// Wizzy mozilla defaults lockdown for _WIZZY_HOSTNAME_ > >lockPref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0); >defaultPref("security.warn_entering_secure", false); >defaultPref("security.warn_submit_insecure", false); > >lockPref("browser.cache.enable",false); >lockPref("network.proxy.type",1); >lockPref("network.proxy.ftp","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); >lockPref("network.proxy.ftp_port",8080); >lockPref("network.proxy.http","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); >lockPref("network.proxy.http_port",8080); >lockPref("network.proxy.ssl","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); >lockPref("network.proxy.ssl_port",8080); >lockPref("browser.startup.homepage","http://_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_/"); > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:54:54 -0500 >From: Les Mikesell >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Emergency network backup using STAR && ssh >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <1092419694.13212.55.camel at moola.futuresource.com> >Content-Type: text/plain > >On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 09:15, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > >>For the moment, Coastal South Carolina (and coastal Georgia) are on >>the predicted path for Hurricane Charley. Not knowing what strength >>it will be after hitting Tampa Bay, FL (which is where Eckerd College >>www.eckerd.edu, the college I graduated from is situated right on the >>water... it'll be covered by possibly 10 ft surges from the 110 mph >>storm), I am trying to backup some of the teacher's PCs (unfortunately >>I don't have Amanda or any other network backup software operating on >>those PCs b/c of a shortage of network filespace). Also on that list >>is my own system, which I need to backup about 15 gigs to a remote >>tape drive (which I have backed that server up using good ole DUMP). >>My system is running Linux, and I have STAR installed, which should be >>able to use ssh. Otherwise, I'll have to get rsh installed and >> configured for running DUMP. Anyone gotten STAR operating via ssh? >> >> > >Star has it's own concept of remote access using host:/device notation >and you need it's version of rmt configured on the tape host. If >you don't already have that set up and star installed on all the >remotes, it would probably be faster to NFS export the other >boxes filesystems to your tape machine, mount them and tar them >up like they were local with star or gnutar. Or you can do >a brute force ssh from either end tarring to stdout: >from tape host: > ssh root at remote "cd / ; tar cf - . " |dd of=/dev/nst0 >from remote: > cd / > tar cf - . | ssh root at tapehost dd of=/dev/nst0 >(Actually I prefer to cd to the top of each filesystem separately >and add --one-file-system to the gnutar command. I think star >limits itself to one filesystem by default). > >If the remotes are windows boxes and you have access to >the admin accounts you can use smbtar, something like >(untested..): >smbtar -s server -x 'C$' -u Administrator -t /dev/nst0 >the 'C$' is the hidden admin share for the C drive (do them all...) >and needs the single quote to protect the $ from shell expansion. >It should prompt for the administrator password or you can >add a -p password to the command line. Smbtar is a shell wrapper >for smbclient so you can use smbclient directly for more interactive >access to the machine but note that the options are specified >differently. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:00:57 -0500 >From: Mark Cockrell >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Video Cards >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Message-ID: <411D01D9.8050909 at honeygroveisd.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >>Subject: >>Re: [K12OSN] Video Cards >>From: >>Eric Harrison >>Date: >>Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:45:21 -0700 >> >>To: >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >>On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 08:08, Mark Cockrell wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>>>____________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>>From: jam at mcquil.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>Quite a while ago, I released 2.4.24-ltsp-4, which is in the >>>>>>ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 package on the ltsp.org download page. >>>>>> >>>>>>That fixed the problem with trident video. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm pretty sure that eric also released an update to fix it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jim McQuillan >>>>>>jam at Ltsp.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>I released an update, but on double-checking I had not added it to the >>repositories. Doh! >> >> >> >> >> >>>>Jim and Scott, >>>> Ok, that's exactly the problem I'm having, and the problem I would >>>>very much like to fix. But I understood basically nothing in your >>>>message, Jim. Can you tell me how to download and install the proper >>>>kernel, and you'll have to speak to me like I'm an idiot, because... >>>>well... I am. ;) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Mark, you should be able to update your system and it will install the >>updated kernel: >> >> up2date -u >> >> >>-Eric >> >> >> >> >> >Eric, > I ran "up2date -u" and it told me that everything was up to date. I >used Scott's instructions and got things working the way I'd hoped they >would, but I just thought I'd let you know that "up2date -u" didn't work >for me. > > > From lewis at pcc.com Fri Aug 13 20:48:27 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:48:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gateway Computers and video problems Message-ID: <207665A8-ED6A-11D8-AFE4-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Hi all, I'm having a problem some new Gateway PC's. The model number is 310. Is anyone using these, and do you have video problems? If I log out of a session I never get the gdm login window back. I can't switch to SCREEN_02 (ok I can but I can't see ouptput) so I've lost some debugging ability. I have not been able to find a xserver option that works consistantly. vesa works sometimes. The screen blacks out and the only way to fix it is to reboot. Even then it does not always work. I was having a similar problem with gateway monitors on LTSP Term 150, but eric fixed that with an updated pxe kernel. From what I can tell from booting into windows (ack) the video card is a gateway video card. Any suggestions (besides getting another PC) would be greatly appreciated. Lewis --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From david at okgoodwill.org Fri Aug 13 20:58:44 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:58:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gateway Computers and video problems Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119BD0@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> I've had some experiences like this with Power Management screwups... you have all that disabled? -dBarr. k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having a problem some new Gateway PC's. The model number is 310. > Is anyone using these, and do you have video problems? > > If I log out of a session I never get the gdm login window back. I > can't switch to SCREEN_02 (ok I can but I can't see ouptput) so I've > lost some debugging ability. > > I have not been able to find a xserver option that works consistantly. > vesa works sometimes. The screen blacks out and the only way to fix it > is to reboot. Even then it does not always work. > > I was having a similar problem with gateway monitors on LTSP Term 150, > but eric fixed that with an updated pxe kernel. > > From what I can tell from booting into windows (ack) the video card > is a gateway video card. > > Any suggestions (besides getting another PC) would be greatly > appreciated. > > Lewis > --------- > The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed > Linux. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Aug 13 20:57:13 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:57:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Cards Message-ID: <411D2B29.6000108@honeygroveisd.net> > > >Scott's instructions install the exact same software as mine does, so >no worries there. > >But the "up2date -u" _should_ have picked up the update from my repositories. >If you didn't see the ltsp_kernel update, you might be missing other updates >as well. Double check to make sure that the entry for the K12LTSP repositories >has not been removed. > >Check /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources, it should have the following line: > > yum k12ltsp ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/ > > >You might as well check yum & apt while we're at it. > >/etc/yum.conf: > > [k12ltsp] > name=K12LTSP > baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fedora/ > > >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list: > > rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ yum/fedora k12ltsp os updates non-free extras > rpm-src ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ yum/fedora k12ltsp os updates non-free extras > > >-Eric > > I had none of those. Did I miss something during the setup? It's a two-week-old 4.01 install. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Bingo is the name of the dog on the Cracker Jack box. From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Aug 13 21:27:10 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:27:10 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Rom-o-matic OT In-Reply-To: <1092404807.7985.30.camel@penguin> References: <0C53A825-ECC8-11D8-8C23-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092361372.13183.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <1092404807.7985.30.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1092432430.27936.6.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 10:46, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > > Most users will start with the zdsk, possibly graduate to zpxe and do a > > post graduate degree in zrom (require an eprom programmer or some > > specific NICs and eproms). > > > > Most of the other formats are fairly specalized. > > The .iso and liso are considered specialized? I'm assuming they burn to > a CD and boot up like a floppy would? Yes, I have never used them therefore... ;-) Of course since many people may not have eproms or a programmer one could consider zrom specialized. Someone mentioned adding etherboot to a bios (zroms can also be used for this), see: http://wiki.etherboot.org/new/pmwiki-1.0.0/pmwiki.php/Main/PuttingEtherbootIntoYourBIOS Tim From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 22:52:36 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Printing in Acrobat Reader Message-ID: <20040813225236.76545.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I am having trouble printing in acrobat reader. When I try to print something in acrobat, nothing happens. I know printing works because the Redhat/CUPS test page works and printing in mozilla works. Does anyone have a similar problem or know how to fix it? Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Aug 13 23:52:24 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:52:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates Message-ID: <411D5438.9070205@netscape.net> Hi, Is anyone else having problems with RHN, apt-get or yum updates ? thks norbert From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 13 23:57:39 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:57:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: <411D5438.9070205@netscape.net> References: <411D5438.9070205@netscape.net> Message-ID: <411D5573.3070304@paasda.org> yes... corrupt header messages... --huck norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Is anyone else having problems with RHN, apt-get or yum updates ? > > thks > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From info at baf-computers.com Fri Aug 13 23:54:52 2004 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:54:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: References: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: It does update over the as I have done this on my test server! ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of BAF Services. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:52:03 -0500 (CDT), Doug Simpson wrote: > > Only if it will install right over the top of FC1 and not break anything. > > How could I do that without having to burn a set of FC2 CDs? > > Thanks > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> > I have several problems with my FC1 server and they may all >> > be related. >> >> Does an upgrade to the new 4.1.0 with FC2 sound like too drastic of a >> suggestion? >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Aug 13 23:57:52 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:57:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: <411D5573.3070304@paasda.org> References: <411D5438.9070205@netscape.net> <411D5573.3070304@paasda.org> Message-ID: <411D5580.8080909@netscape.net> Hi Huck, Thanks, any idea when it'll be back ? norbert dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: > yes... > corrupt header messages... > --huck > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is anyone else having problems with RHN, apt-get or yum updates ? >> >> thks >> norbert >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Sat Aug 14 00:06:54 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:06:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: <411D5580.8080909@netscape.net> References: <411D5438.9070205@netscape.net> <411D5573.3070304@paasda.org> <411D5580.8080909@netscape.net> Message-ID: <411D579E.9080808@paasda.org> Huck knows nada... been this way since at least final release date for 4.1... cuz I dl'd and install'd and ran the yum update and *poof* early this week... haven't tried today...been do'n other stuff =) --Huck norbert wrote: > Hi Huck, > > Thanks, any idea when it'll be back ? > > norbert > > dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: > >> yes... >> corrupt header messages... >> --huck >> >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Is anyone else having problems with RHN, apt-get or yum updates ? >>> >>> thks >>> norbert >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From tim at litwiller.net Sat Aug 14 02:14:13 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:14:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Misc quirks in OT Icewm Message-ID: <411D7575.1080607@litwiller.net> Misc quirks that I don't know where to ask The library setup I've been working on. Is there a way to make sure firefox only opens once per session and if you close it it opens again? If not can, I force a log off if they close the browser. Then the autologin will happen and reopen the browser. in /home/user/.icewm/preferences I added a path to a background file - it works on all the terminals except one. They get that file out of /etc/skel/.icewm so I now they all have the same file. Ocassionally when rebooting a terminal it will fail where it tryes to mount /opt/ltsp/i386 as it's file system? turning it off and back on doesn't help but turning if off for 2* hours and then turning it back on it usually starts right up. I don't know if there is a session timeout somewhere that could be adjusted ot cleared. * I haven't tried between 10 minutes and 2 hours so it could be somewhere in that time range would take care of it From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Aug 14 03:04:56 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:04:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wireles" pxe boot ? Message-ID: <411D8158.3050703@netscape.net> Hi, This may be a nutty question but is there a "wireless" equivalent to the PXE boot CD ? thanks norbert From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Aug 14 03:24:54 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:24:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 Message-ID: <20040814031534.M93216@winonacotter.org> I just upgraded my test 3.1.2 server to 4.1.0 (blew it away and installed fresh). But now I cannot get any clients to boot from it (doesn't get past looking for DHCP address) and cannot ping past the local interface to the external network. I have tried 6 different NIC's and am currently using a Intel Pro 100 and a LNE100TX. I have reloaded 4.1.0 with all of the defaults 3 times now (once disabling the firewall just in case) and still no luck. I have also gone back to 3.1.2 just to be sure I wasn't going insane and it worked perfect with the same NIC's and the same clients. Any ideas? I just ordered a server for a new school that my company is donating a lab too and I wanted to test 4.1.0 with the clients we are giving them before the server showed up. But that isn't looking good at this point. Right now I have a clean install of 4.1.0 with the Intel Pro 100 and a LNE100TX installed and firewalling off. Let me know if anyone has a suggestion to try. Or a tool to figure out why I cannot leave the box with a simple ping request (error is "Destination Unreachable"). Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 From jam at mcquil.com Sat Aug 14 03:32:18 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040814031534.M93216@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, Any chance that the server nics are being detected in a different order, therefore requiring you swap the 2 network cables ? Jim McQuillan jam at LTsp.org On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I just upgraded my test 3.1.2 server to 4.1.0 (blew it away and installed > fresh). But now I cannot get any clients to boot from it (doesn't get past > looking for DHCP address) and cannot ping past the local interface to the > external network. I have tried 6 different NIC's and am currently using a > Intel Pro 100 and a LNE100TX. I have reloaded 4.1.0 with all of the defaults > 3 times now (once disabling the firewall just in case) and still no luck. I > have also gone back to 3.1.2 just to be sure I wasn't going insane and it > worked perfect with the same NIC's and the same clients. Any ideas? I just > ordered a server for a new school that my company is donating a lab too and I > wanted to test 4.1.0 with the clients we are giving them before the server > showed up. But that isn't looking good at this point. > > Right now I have a clean install of 4.1.0 with the Intel Pro 100 and a > LNE100TX installed and firewalling off. Let me know if anyone has a > suggestion to try. Or a tool to figure out why I cannot leave the box with a > simple ping request (error is "Destination Unreachable"). > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 14 05:11:29 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 jam at mcquil.com wrote: >Jim, > >Any chance that the server nics are being detected in a different order, >therefore requiring you swap the 2 network cables ? > >Jim McQuillan >jam at LTsp.org This is my bet. I have seen the 2.4 & 2.6 kernels detect nics in different orders. -Eric > >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> I just upgraded my test 3.1.2 server to 4.1.0 (blew it away and installed >> fresh). But now I cannot get any clients to boot from it (doesn't get past >> looking for DHCP address) and cannot ping past the local interface to the >> external network. I have tried 6 different NIC's and am currently using a >> Intel Pro 100 and a LNE100TX. I have reloaded 4.1.0 with all of the defaults >> 3 times now (once disabling the firewall just in case) and still no luck. I >> have also gone back to 3.1.2 just to be sure I wasn't going insane and it >> worked perfect with the same NIC's and the same clients. Any ideas? I just >> ordered a server for a new school that my company is donating a lab too and I >> wanted to test 4.1.0 with the clients we are giving them before the server >> showed up. But that isn't looking good at this point. >> >> Right now I have a clean install of 4.1.0 with the Intel Pro 100 and a >> LNE100TX installed and firewalling off. Let me know if anyone has a >> suggestion to try. Or a tool to figure out why I cannot leave the box with a >> simple ping request (error is "Destination Unreachable"). >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Kronebusch >> Cotter Tech Department >> 507-453-5188 >> From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 14 05:16:36 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (Ben May) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:16:36 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherboot problems Message-ID: <411DA034.2030905@optusnet.com.au> Hi, I have installed K12LTSP on my server, made the right etherboot Rom (I think) then when the client boots up, its looking for a .ltsp file it just sits there not doing anythign Thanks Ben be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 14 05:17:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: <411D5438.9070205@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: >Hi, > >Is anyone else having problems with RHN, apt-get or yum updates ? Nope, I have not seen problems with my repository. Yum & up2date (I can't remember about apt from memory) are configured to round-robin to the FC2 mirrors. If one of the mirrors is broken you might see an occasional problem. But it shouldn't be everytime. If you think this may be the problem, you can comment out the various fedora.redhat.com entries in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources and /etc/yum.conf. If you are still having problems, please post a detailed description of the errors you are seeing. -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Aug 14 05:44:36 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:44:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411DA6C4.8050004@netscape.net> Hi Eric, As much as I would like to contribute more info the problem is that up2date, yum & apt all just hang after being launched. I've checked with both a "ps -aux rhn.... apt & yum" & by top & the tasks are running. There have been no changes since I last ran then on my system & up2date "informs" me that there are 10 updates available. Any suggestions ? thanks norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>Is anyone else having problems with RHN, apt-get or yum updates ? >> >> > >Nope, I have not seen problems with my repository. > >Yum & up2date (I can't remember about apt from memory) are configured >to round-robin to the FC2 mirrors. If one of the mirrors is broken >you might see an occasional problem. But it shouldn't be everytime. > > >If you think this may be the problem, you can comment out the >various fedora.redhat.com entries in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources >and /etc/yum.conf. > >If you are still having problems, please post a detailed >description of the errors you are seeing. > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 14 05:59:59 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: <411DA6C4.8050004@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: >Hi Eric, > >As much as I would like to contribute more info the problem is that >up2date, yum & apt all just hang after being launched. I've checked with >both a "ps -aux rhn.... apt & yum" & by top & the tasks are running. >There have been no changes since I last ran then on my system & up2date >"informs" me that there are 10 updates available. > >Any suggestions ? If apt, up2date, & yum are all hanging, the only thing that comes to my mind is that your RPM database is locked up. Try this: rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* Hopefully it is that easy. -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Aug 14 21:07:47 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:07:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411E7F23.5000504@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Thanks that seems to have done the trick. norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >>Hi Eric, >> >>As much as I would like to contribute more info the problem is that >>up2date, yum & apt all just hang after being launched. I've checked with >>both a "ps -aux rhn.... apt & yum" & by top & the tasks are running. >>There have been no changes since I last ran then on my system & up2date >>"informs" me that there are 10 updates available. >> >>Any suggestions ? >> >> > >If apt, up2date, & yum are all hanging, the only thing that comes to >my mind is that your RPM database is locked up. Try this: > > rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* > >Hopefully it is that easy. > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From odin at myeye.mine.nu Sat Aug 14 21:50:39 2004 From: odin at myeye.mine.nu (Odin Noesen) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:50:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Mainboard with K12OSN / Core 2 Message-ID: <20040814214820.M59068@myeye.mine.nu> I'm looking for a socket 478 mainboard with out-of-the-box support for Core 2. I need support for SATA (RAID 1) and 1gb NIC. Where can I find information about Core 2 and hardware compability (or such a mainboard :-)? "!" from Odin From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Sat Aug 14 23:07:36 2004 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:07:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyoard layout on 4.1.0 terminals In-Reply-To: <1092429046.4383.36.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> References: <1092429046.4383.36.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> Message-ID: Olle Niit wrote: > So this is the story: > > I use Estonian keyboard, so in lts.conf I modified lines: > XkbSymbols = "ee(pc101)" > XkbLayout = "ee" > > So server works fine even without modifying anything. > And terminal works fine too when I type username and password. > After loging in there is pure us layout. > Temporarily I can change layout when with I run System settings - > Keyboard and point in Estonian and click OK. But it requires root > privileges and I can't tell it anyone. > > What to change and where? > > in us layout ]';[ keys are > in ee layout oaou all whit dots or tildes. > > Second Question, not very important: > And where comes these logout delays somethimes? In 2 servers even in > terminals and server. Even when root user logs off from graphical > desktop. No allways, but somethimes delay is long. If delay exist. I > think 10 seconds to 60 seconds. But mostly is all ok - no delay. I > installed KDE environment too in both servers, but never used them. > > > Olle Niit > Viljandi Valuoja Elementary School > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Hi I have never been able to change the keyboard layout in the lts.conf file, so I use xmodmap There maybe a better way in 4.1, but if you use the xmodmap command:- xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ee you can run it in terminal or it can be put in the /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions in each of the sessions ie icewm gnome and kde. My icewm session reads:- #!/bin/bash if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.uk /usr/bin/xwc & exec /usr/bin/icewm-session Regards Peter Deakin Trinity School Stalybridge UK From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Aug 15 00:05:44 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:05:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411EA8D8.4060607@snet.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi Eric, >> >>As much as I would like to contribute more info the problem is that >>up2date, yum & apt all just hang after being launched. I've checked with >>both a "ps -aux rhn.... apt & yum" & by top & the tasks are running. >>There have been no changes since I last ran then on my system & up2date >>"informs" me that there are 10 updates available. >> >>Any suggestions ? > > > If apt, up2date, & yum are all hanging, the only thing that comes to > my mind is that your RPM database is locked up. Try this: > > rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* > > Hopefully it is that easy. > > -Eric bash-2.05b$ rm -f /var/lib/rpm/_db.00* bash-2.05b$ su Password: [root at localhost tony]# yum update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Damaged or Bad header.info from Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base This is probably because of a downed server or an invalid header.info on a repository. [root at localhost tony]# -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 15 00:25:05 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: <411EA8D8.4060607@snet.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: >[root at localhost tony]# yum update >Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base >Damaged or Bad header.info from Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base >This is probably because of a downed server or an invalid header.info on >a repository. The yum header.info files are stored in /var/cache/yum// This should nuke the corrupted file for you & force it be re-downloaded: rm /var/cache/yum/*/header.info If it happens again, comment out the section in /etc/yum.conf that has "name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base" (or something similiar). The K12LTSP entry has the "Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base" RPMs as well, so as long as you have the K12LTSP entry the standard Fedora Core Base entry is redundant. -Eric From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Aug 15 00:23:45 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 05:53:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyoard layout on 4.1.0 terminals In-Reply-To: References: <1092429046.4383.36.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <1092529424.3093.5.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 04:37, k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk wrote: > Olle Niit wrote: [SNIP] > > Second Question, not very important: > > And where comes these logout delays somethimes? In 2 servers even in > > terminals and server. Even when root user logs off from graphical > > desktop. No allways, but somethimes delay is long. If delay exist. I > > think 10 seconds to 60 seconds. But mostly is all ok - no delay. I > > installed KDE environment too in both servers, but never used them. [SNIP] I found similar behaviour on Fedora 1 release. Notice carefully that when you choose logout from menu, while a logout dialogue box appears on the screen, the screen goes a bit "dark". Wait till the screen becomes fully "dark" before you hit "Logout" key and the delay would not occur. This is a setting that can be controlled. I think from /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf but am not too sure. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From tlegge at rogers.com Sun Aug 15 01:01:52 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:01:52 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer permissions In-Reply-To: <1092412749.17744.54.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1092352419.13183.12.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <1092412749.17744.54.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1092531712.32218.0.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > CUPS has all sorts of bells-and-whistles, including access controls. > > There is a lot of documentation at: > > http://www.cups.org/documentation.php > > With a quick glance, I think this is the docs that would interest you: > > http://www.cups.org/sam.html#4_3_7 Thanks Eric, I will check it out. Tim From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Aug 15 03:05:04 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:05:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] way OT - Lynx & Gopher story/fable Message-ID: <20040814230504.750030de.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I know this is way OT -- But I think SOMEONE here should be able to help. I remember reading a story (more like a fable) that had a gopher (representing the 'old' Gopher space) and a lynx (representing the 'new' World Wide Web). It great the gopher once was, able to run around his holes and find things, but then how the lynx was faster and did not have to run through all the tunnels, etc. A quite little story that kind of illustrated the passing of time and technology. I have spent all day today (it is Sat. here, and I was off) trying to find it again with google, looksmart, yahoo, etc. but without any luck. Anyone out there have it or have a link to it -- At this point I would be glad to hear if someone else also read it. No one here seems to know what I am talking about. Thanks for you time --- Kevin ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From scouture at recupaction.org Sun Aug 15 03:35:02 2004 From: scouture at recupaction.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= Couture) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:35:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] UDP checksum error Message-ID: <1092540902.4749.77.camel@servidor> Hello, hoping it is the good lists to send this... I looked on the web about this problem, but there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory explanation. I installed LTSP (K12LTSP) and made it work with "modern" laptop as a client without problem. But now, I have to make it work with old Pentium I within the next days, and I kind of freaking with these problems. If somebody can help me a little bit, I'll appreciate. I made a etherboot disk for my 3c905b-tx PCI with 3c905b-tpo100 rom type. My dhcp part for this client is this way: host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:50:DA:21:1A:A1; # fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c59x"; } The rom image starts correctly, driver is loaded and dhcp server is detected. It start loading the kernel (Loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinux.ltsp) and then I get this error message: UDP checksum error. Sometimes I get it 5-6 times, and the client freeze. Sometime, I get it 2 times and the boot process continue (and finish with a nfs problem, but that's another thing) and sometime, I don't get this error, and the boot process continue. I remade my flopppy, change my ethernet card for another one (of same type), even change my computer and use the same card and still get the same problem. Does anybody would have an idea where I am bad? Thanks for the help Steph From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 15 04:12:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] UDP checksum error In-Reply-To: <1092540902.4749.77.camel@servidor> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, St?phane Couture wrote: >The rom image starts correctly, driver is loaded and dhcp server is >detected. It start loading the kernel (Loading >192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinux.ltsp) and then I get this error message: > >UDP checksum error. > >Sometimes I get it 5-6 times, and the client freeze. Sometime, I get >it 2 times and the boot process continue (and finish with a nfs >problem, but that's another thing) and sometime, I don't get this error, >and the boot process continue. > >I remade my flopppy, change my ethernet card for another one (of same >type), even change my computer and use the same card and still get the >same problem. > > >Does anybody would have an idea where I am bad? The first thing I tend to do with old hardware is to tear it apart, blow out all the dust, and put it back together. If it was then still having the same problem, I would check for bad ram. Memtest86 is the standard here: http://www.memtest86.com/ -Eric From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Aug 15 04:42:48 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 10:12:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] UDP checksum error In-Reply-To: <1092540902.4749.77.camel@servidor> References: <1092540902.4749.77.camel@servidor> Message-ID: <1092544967.5853.2.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 09:05, St?phane Couture wrote: > I made a etherboot disk for my 3c905b-tx PCI with 3c905b-tpo100 rom > type. My dhcp part for this client is this way: > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:50:DA:21:1A:A1; > # fixed-address 192.168.0.1; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c59x"; > } > Not clear if you are using a PCI or a ISA NIC? Generally (AFAIK) if you are using PCI NIC then you do not need to give option 128 and 129 lines at all. These are for use with ISA NIC's only. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 15 16:07:05 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] UDP checksum error In-Reply-To: <1092540902.4749.77.camel@servidor> Message-ID: <20040815160705.70511.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, For PCI nics, you don't have to tell the kernel what driver to use. I would try to boot the box without your entry in the dhcpd.conf file chris --- St?phane Couture wrote: > Hello, > > hoping it is the good lists to send this... > > I looked on the web about this problem, but there > doesn't seem to be > a satisfactory explanation. I installed LTSP > (K12LTSP) and made it work > with "modern" laptop as a client without problem. > > But now, I have to make it work with old Pentium I > within the next > days, and I kind of freaking with these problems. > If somebody can help > me a little bit, I'll appreciate. > > I made a etherboot disk for my 3c905b-tx PCI with > 3c905b-tpo100 rom > type. My dhcp part for this client is this way: > > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:50:DA:21:1A:A1; > # fixed-address 192.168.0.1; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c59x"; > } > > The rom image starts correctly, driver is loaded and > dhcp server is > detected. It start loading the kernel (Loading > 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinux.ltsp) and then I get > this error message: > > UDP checksum error. > > Sometimes I get it 5-6 times, and the client freeze. > Sometime, I get > it 2 times and the boot process continue (and > finish with a nfs > problem, but that's another thing) and sometime, I > don't get this error, > and the boot process continue. > > I remade my flopppy, change my ethernet card for > another one (of same > type), even change my computer and use the same card > and still get the > same problem. > > > Does anybody would have an idea where I am bad? > > Thanks for the help > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sun Aug 15 19:58:24 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 14:58:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB Help, please Message-ID: <411FC060.4070303@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I've got my K12LTSP 4.01 box set up and running nicely. I've put a link on each users desktop to //WindowsServerName/Share and the users can see their files, but they can't actually interact with them. They can copy the files to the local desktop, edit them, and then put them back on the Windows server, but not directly open/edit them. The Web searching I've done tells me I need to mount the Windows share. Can someone give me a simple way to do that for each user. Ideally, I'd like a link on the desktop to the share I want them to us that when double-clicked it, the user is asked for their Windows username and password. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The average garden variety caterpillar has 248 muscles in its head. From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Aug 16 16:05:18 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:05:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Director produced multimedia programs In-Reply-To: <411FC060.4070303@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <006e01c483aa$d3920e60$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I have K12LTSP currently 4.0.1 (Going to upgrade to 4.1 next week.) I am in New Zealand and the Ministry of Education provides schools with many multimedia CDROMs produced with Macromedia Director. I have tried installing them with the latest WINE. I can install ok, but when it play the sound jumps all over the place. I am running these programs on a stand alone desktop machine at present Celeron 766 with 128 MB ram. Can anyone help me get this running. The principal here considers these CDROMs essential. An option would be to set up a Windows terminal server and try to run from that, but I have heard these programs do not run very well to thin clients. Ideally I would like to run these programs locally on the LTSP terminals, but first we have to get it running on its own first. From smoogen at lanl.gov Sun Aug 15 22:59:29 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] UDP checksum error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: >On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, St?phane Couture wrote: > >>The rom image starts correctly, driver is loaded and dhcp server is >>detected. It start loading the kernel (Loading >>192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinux.ltsp) and then I get this error message: >> >>UDP checksum error. >> >>Sometimes I get it 5-6 times, and the client freeze. Sometime, I get >>it 2 times and the boot process continue (and finish with a nfs >>problem, but that's another thing) and sometime, I don't get this error, >>and the boot process continue. >> >>I remade my flopppy, change my ethernet card for another one (of same >>type), even change my computer and use the same card and still get the >>same problem. >> >> >>Does anybody would have an idea where I am bad? > >The first thing I tend to do with old hardware is to tear it apart, >blow out all the dust, and put it back together. > >If it was then still having the same problem, I would check for bad >ram. Memtest86 is the standard here: > > http://www.memtest86.com/ The areas I have also seen UDP checksum errors are: 1) Dirty nic connections. 2) Hub network with too many collisions 3) Duplex problems (where a card thinks its Full Duplex and the Hub/Switch thinks its half) -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 16 02:58:17 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:58:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Administrator....Samba-LDAP Message-ID: Hi all, I've been trying to get Directory Administrator on to my FC2 (K12LTSP 4.1) Samba-LDAP server and it won't work. First...the latest version of Directory administrator won't install due to dependencies. Second....if I try to install the older version....it installs....but won't connect after entering all the info correctly.....it give me a "protocol error" and cannot connect. Any ideas? or any recommendations for a GUI interface to change passwords...etc.in Samba-LDAP on my new box? I've used Directory Admin in the past, but am open to changes. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Aug 16 02:54:08 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:54:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS....not quite understanding it..... Message-ID: Hi all, Here's the set up. I have all my servers on the same network. I have an SME server (proxy) (E-Smith 6.01) for my gateway/firewall...etc. This server also run DNS. I have a server (squidward) that does nothing but DHCP (and maybe DNS....part of my question). And then I have my Samba-LDAP server (spongebob) and my K12LTSP server (k12ltsp) as well. I have "reserved" or static IP assignments in my dhcpd.conf file on the machine serving DHCP (squidward). I also have names and IP's set up in the hostnames and addresses section of the SME server (proxy). My question.... since I have the names entered into the SME server and I know they work....(I tested it by changing the option for name server in my dhcpd.conf file to point to the SME server instead of the DHCP server aka squidward) do I even need to bother with running named on the DHCP server (squidward)? Will this affect my K12LTSP server at all? Doesn't seem to thus far. Yet now I seem to be able to resolve the names of my printers. Any advice...appreciated.... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bimalp at indoasian.com Mon Aug 16 03:44:13 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 16 Aug 2004 09:14:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherboot problems In-Reply-To: <411DA034.2030905@optusnet.com.au> References: <411DA034.2030905@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1092627852.3937.1.camel@server.ltsp> dear ben that's not clear to me atleast, could you please post the error/message? regards, bimal On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 10:46, Ben May wrote: > Hi, > I have installed K12LTSP on my server, made the right etherboot Rom (I > think) then when the client boots up, its looking for a .ltsp file > it just sits there not doing anythign > Thanks > > Ben > be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From usernamenumber at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 05:05:19 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:05:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble booting PPC clients Message-ID: I'm doing some volunteer work for a local school who's got a bunch of old PowerMac G3s that they're willing to try out as ltsp machines. I've followed the instructions here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/mac/LTSPppc.txt but to no avail. I copied the mklinux bootloader and kernel into the extensions folder and I set up my dhcp server to have the mac mount /opt/ltsp/ppc instead of /opt/ltsp/i386 (this wasn't in the instructions but seemed necessary). The kernel seems to start to boot, but then just stops. The last few lines of output are: MMU:exit setup_arch: enter setup_arch: bootmem It doesn't even seem to do a DHCPREQUEST. The doc does say something about recompiling the kernel if you don't have an nbus-pmac, but not being a mac person I don't know what that is or how to tell if I have one. =:\ Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Brad From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Aug 16 05:46:23 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:46:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: References: <000201c4813c$5b2af7e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41204A2F.4030502@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Doug Simpson wrote: >There was some discussion about multi-processors behaving badly. . . > > On all the servers I've installed the K12LTSP 1.4 beta16 it crashed when selecting the smp kernel :( Is this still as bad, or has it improved at least in the final release? Has anyone tried so far? Thanks -Jonathan From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Aug 16 10:17:16 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:17:16 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Administrator....Samba-LDAP Message-ID: <200408161026.i7GAQBT03389@downeast.net> hi david..cant you use ldapbrowser for that??i also had protocol error..when i changed the root dn to be organization athe than domin it seemed to work...don't quote me...chuck > Hi all, > > I've been trying to get Directory Administrator on to my FC2 (K12LTSP 4.1) > Samba-LDAP server and it won't work. First...the latest version of > Directory administrator won't install due to dependencies. Second....if I > try to install the older version....it installs....but won't connect after > entering all the info correctly.....it give me a "protocol error" and > cannot connect. Any ideas? > > or > > any recommendations for a GUI interface to change passwords...etc.in > Samba-LDAP on my new box? I've used Directory Admin in the past, but am > open to changes. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 16 12:36:14 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:36:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Slightly OT. . . I need to get the K12LTSP repositories set back in my apt. Somehow, those were changed and no longer have the K12LTSP repositories in them. What to change and where to change it and what to change it to. Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, norbert wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >Is anyone else having problems with RHN, apt-get or yum updates ? > > Nope, I have not seen problems with my repository. > > Yum & up2date (I can't remember about apt from memory) are configured > to round-robin to the FC2 mirrors. If one of the mirrors is broken > you might see an occasional problem. But it shouldn't be everytime. > > > If you think this may be the problem, you can comment out the > various fedora.redhat.com entries in /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources > and /etc/yum.conf. > > If you are still having problems, please post a detailed > description of the errors you are seeing. > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Aug 16 12:47:54 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:47:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Directory Administrator....Samba-LDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092660473.1989.2.camel@penguin> I've been particularly pleased with phpldapadmin. It's a web interface, which adds nicely to its allure for me. JSR/ On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 22:58, David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been trying to get Directory Administrator on to my FC2 (K12LTSP 4.1) > Samba-LDAP server and it won't work. First...the latest version of > Directory administrator won't install due to dependencies. Second....if I > try to install the older version....it installs....but won't connect after > entering all the info correctly.....it give me a "protocol error" and > cannot connect. Any ideas? > > or > > any recommendations for a GUI interface to change passwords...etc.in > Samba-LDAP on my new box? I've used Directory Admin in the past, but am > open to changes. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rfreidel at computergeex.com Mon Aug 16 12:41:40 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:41:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wireles" pxe boot ? Message-ID: <20040816.Z8M.57833900@192.168.10.16> Hi, This isn't exactly what you were looking for, but last week I experimented with a wireless connection, all I did was to connect to the ltsp server via a remote X session from a linux installed laptop, and then a vnc connection from a windows laptop. Both worked well, but it was only a test and not in a production environment. norbert (bear2bar at netscape.net) wrote: > > Hi, > > This may be a nutty question but is there a "wireless" equivalent to the > PXE boot CD ? > > thanks > > norbert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 16 12:56:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:56:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c48390$678168c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > Any chance that the server nics are being detected in a > different order, > therefore requiring you swap the 2 network cables ? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at LTsp.org > This is my bet. I have seen the 2.4 & 2.6 kernels detect nics in different orders. > > -Eric Yes they are detected in a different order, that seems to be the case with every install of 4.x compared to 3.x. But I noticed that right away and have swapped cables both ways to see what happened. And like I said, I have tried many NIC's (known working), the onboard Rhine II, a 3Com 905, 3Com509, LNE100TX in all different orders and slots and cannot get anything to leave the box. I am at the point where I cannot use 4.1.0 on this box because I cannot get it to the internet or get local clients to see it. Any other ideas? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Aug 16 12:58:15 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:58:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: <20040816103829.CC24573013@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040816103829.CC24573013@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Aug 16, 2004, at 6:38 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > The doc does say something > about recompiling the kernel if you don't have an nbus-pmac, but not > being a mac person I don't know what that is or how to tell if I have > one. =:\ > Dear Brad, You don't have a nubus mac. The document whose instructions you followed says: "The kernel I compiled supports: Apple Power Macintosh 6100,7100,8100 Apple PowerBook 1400,2300,5300 Apple Performa 5200,6200,6300" None of those are G3's. So this kernel won't work for them. Hey Shawn or Chuck.... either of you got G3's working? If so, with what kernel? Peace, Jimmy Schwankl From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 16 13:08:47 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:08:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user adding programs not working In-Reply-To: <41204A2F.4030502@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <000b01c48392$2ab40040$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > >There was some discussion about multi-processors behaving badly. . . > > > > > On all the servers I've installed the K12LTSP 1.4 beta16 it > crashed when > selecting the smp kernel :( > > Is this still as bad, or has it improved at least in the > final release? > Has anyone tried so far? I could not get 4.0.1 to run some apps for more than 30 seconds on my dual PIII 866 box. It would also freeze on boot often and on shutdown. Now 4.1.0 works beautifully. Not a single crash, but of course I can't get the NIC's to work so I can't test it with clients. But the kernel stability seems to be far better. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 16 13:16:44 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:16:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c48393$468f8ae0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > > The doc does say something > > about recompiling the kernel if you don't have an > nbus-pmac, but not > > being a mac person I don't know what that is or how to tell > if I have > > one. =:\ > > > > Dear Brad, > > You don't have a nubus mac. The document whose instructions you > followed says: > > "The kernel I compiled supports: > > Apple Power Macintosh 6100,7100,8100 > Apple PowerBook 1400,2300,5300 > Apple Performa 5200,6200,6300" > > None of those are G3's. So this kernel won't work for them. > > Hey Shawn or Chuck.... either of you got G3's working? If so, with > what kernel? Here is the inittab and ltsc.conf Shawn sent me to get G3's working with the X -query option (since nicknamed chubby clients). Just load Yellow Dog on the local hard drive and modify the inittab to match the one seen here. Then pull whatever changes you want out of the lts.conf (I think all you will need is to be sure SOUND_DAEMON is set to "nasd" to get sound working. I have not been successful running sound in the Bondi iMac yet (also haven't had much time to tinker) but this will easily get you working clients. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 16 13:58:27 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: <000c01c48393$468f8ae0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000c01c48393$468f8ae0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <45830.10.10.10.10.1092664707.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> > all you will need is to be sure SOUND_DAEMON is set to "nasd" to get > sound working. I have not been successful running sound in the Bondi Sorry -- I've been gone, and missed some of this thread -- but I've only ever gotten "esd" to work on "chubby clients" You also have to start the esd server on the local machine in the inittab too... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Aug 16 14:07:40 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:07:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 Message-ID: Various people wrote: >> Jim, >> >> Any chance that the server nics are being detected in a >> different order, >> therefore requiring you swap the 2 network cables ? >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at LTsp.org > >> This is my bet. I have seen the 2.4 & 2.6 kernels detect nics in > different orders. >> >> -Eric > > Yes they are detected in a different order, that seems to be the case > with every install of 4.x compared to 3.x. But I noticed that right > away and have swapped cables both ways to see what happened. And like > I > said, I have tried many NIC's (known working), the onboard Rhine II, a > 3Com 905, 3Com509, LNE100TX in all different orders and slots and > cannot > get anything to leave the box. I am at the point where I cannot use > 4.1.0 on this box because I cannot get it to the internet or get local > clients to see it. > > Any other ideas? Have you tried turning off the firewall completely on the FC2 box. Jimmy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Aug 16 14:32:22 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:32:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 67 In-Reply-To: <20040814160016.D33EE73CC3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040814160016.D33EE73CC3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4120C576.5010703@saskforestcentre.ca> This sounds like a problem I had with a laptop (Toshiba SatPro 4600) in FC2. Try adding "acpi=off" in the command line to the kernel. I did this in grub.conf. Have a look in bugzilla.redhat.com for my name and you'll find a bug report. In Toshiba's case, it was a buggy BIOS returning something wrong to acpi, and somehow that broke the NIC. It worked fine once I turned acpi off. It's worth a try. Angus Carr. >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:32:18 -0400 (EDT) >From: jam at mcquil.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Jim, > >Any chance that the server nics are being detected in a different order, >therefore requiring you swap the 2 network cables ? > >Jim McQuillan >jam at LTsp.org > > > >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>> I just upgraded my test 3.1.2 server to 4.1.0 (blew it away and installed >>> fresh). But now I cannot get any clients to boot from it (doesn't get past >>> looking for DHCP address) and cannot ping past the local interface to the >>> external network. I have tried 6 different NIC's and am currently using a >>> Intel Pro 100 and a LNE100TX. I have reloaded 4.1.0 with all of the defaults >>> 3 times now (once disabling the firewall just in case) and still no luck. I >>> have also gone back to 3.1.2 just to be sure I wasn't going insane and it >>> worked perfect with the same NIC's and the same clients. Any ideas? I just >>> ordered a server for a new school that my company is donating a lab too and I >>> wanted to test 4.1.0 with the clients we are giving them before the server >>> showed up. But that isn't looking good at this point. >>> >>> Right now I have a clean install of 4.1.0 with the Intel Pro 100 and a >>> LNE100TX installed and firewalling off. Let me know if anyone has a >>> suggestion to try. Or a tool to figure out why I cannot leave the box with a >>> simple ping request (error is "Destination Unreachable"). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim Kronebusch >>> Cotter Tech Department >>> 507-453-5188 >> From rfreidel at computergeex.com Mon Aug 16 14:30:18 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:30:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 Message-ID: <20040816.F3f.47839300@192.168.10.16> Whats the output of netstat -nr ifconfig It sounds like a routing problem. Jimmy Schwankl (schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us) wrote: > > Various people wrote: -- Ron Freidel http://leroy.homeunix.org From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 16 15:23:18 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:23:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: <45830.10.10.10.10.1092664707.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001b01c483a4$f56998b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > > all you will need is to be sure SOUND_DAEMON is set to > "nasd" to get > > sound working. I have not been successful running sound in > the Bondi > > Sorry -- I've been gone, and missed some of this thread -- > but I've only ever gotten "esd" to work on "chubby clients" > > You also have to start the esd server on the local machine in > the inittab too... Oops, esd is what I meant to type. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 16 15:33:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:33:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040816.F3f.47839300@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <001f01c483a6$51967080$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Whats the output of > netstat -nr > ifconfig > > It sounds like a routing problem. Thanks. I will try it tonight. I am not in the building with the test server today. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 16 15:37:40 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PDF cups printer? Message-ID: <46576.10.10.10.10.1092670660.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Hello all, I'd like to make a default printer on my FC1 box that make PDF files instead of printing... This is because I want my "default" printer to be location-independant. Is there a way to configure a printer in cups that just saves the output to a PDF? Thanks in advance, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From lewis at pcc.com Mon Aug 16 15:40:49 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:40:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gateway Computers and video problems In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119BD0@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119BD0@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: I'll give that a try and see how it goes. Thanks Lewis On Aug 13, 2004, at 4:58 PM, David H. Barr wrote: > I've had some experiences like this with Power Management screwups... > you have all that disabled? > > -dBarr. > > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm having a problem some new Gateway PC's. The model number is 310. >> Is anyone using these, and do you have video problems? >> >> If I log out of a session I never get the gdm login window back. I >> can't switch to SCREEN_02 (ok I can but I can't see ouptput) so I've >> lost some debugging ability. >> >> I have not been able to find a xserver option that works consistantly. >> vesa works sometimes. The screen blacks out and the only way to fix it >> is to reboot. Even then it does not always work. >> >> I was having a similar problem with gateway monitors on LTSP Term 150, >> but eric fixed that with an updated pxe kernel. >> >> From what I can tell from booting into windows (ack) the video card >> is a gateway video card. >> >> Any suggestions (besides getting another PC) would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Lewis >> --------- >> The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed >> Linux. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Aug 16 16:00:43 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:00:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fuzzy video on NIC client Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040816085730.01fbc210@pop.easystreet.com> Is anyone out there running NIC's (New Internet Computers)? If you found a way to make the video sharper, would you share it with me? I.E. Best settings, best type of monitor to use. Anything you found through experimentation. (Those things are hard to google on, because of the unfortunately already used acronym) Thanks, ck From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 16 16:26:49 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:26:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble Intalling/updating packages Message-ID: <4120E049.2090605@honeygroveisd.net> When I initially set up my 4.01 server, I apparently didn't include the developer tools in the installation. Now I want to go back and add them. So I pull up the "Add/Remove Applications" program, select "Developer Tools" and it tells me I need to insert Fedora Core 1 Disk 2. When I put in the K12LTSP 4.01 Disk 2, it checks the CD and asks for Fedora Core 1 Disk 2. I can read the CD, and see the RPM files in the appropriate directory (I think), but it just won't "go". What am I missing here? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Bingo is the name of the dog on the Cracker Jack box. From cortesm at fortleboeuf.net Sat Aug 14 02:47:13 2004 From: cortesm at fortleboeuf.net (Michael Cortes) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:47:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Antivirus program for Linux In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF45@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DF45@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <200408132247.17058.cortesm@fortleboeuf.net> I have been using Vexira MailArmor from Central Command http://www.centralcommand.com for about 3 weeks. We are a windows district but have been using linux servers for several years. MailArmor has done a great job stopping virus attachments but does cost. (comparibly low cost and IMHO well worth it) On Tuesday 10 August 2004 04:51 pm, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Krsnendu > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:48 AM > >> > >> I am about to install k12ltsp 4.1.0 > >> Should I be running any antivirus program with this? > >> I am afraid of picking up viruses through email. > > You are not likely to have a virus problem on a Linux-only system or > network. If you are using the machine to serve mail to Windows clients, > however, you might consider running a virus scanner on mail that travels > through your machine. This isn't needed if the mail is being read on Linux > workstations but it will help protect those running Windows. I'd recommend > clam-av (because it's the only one I know anything about): > > http://www.clamav.net/ > > -- > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Michael Cortes Fort LeBoeuf School District 34 East Ninth Street PO Box 810 Waterford PA 16441-0810 814.796.4795 From rhlists at iwpnews.com Mon Aug 16 17:39:54 2004 From: rhlists at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:39:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing in Acrobat Reader In-Reply-To: <20040813225236.76545.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040813225236.76545.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1092677994.32513.40.camel@symbiont2.iwpnews.com> I've had a fair amount of trouble with printing certain pdf files. Generally speaking, printing from xpdf works better (for me at least), so you could try that. Couple of questions. What printer and what driver (eg postscript, etc.) are you using? What happens if you restart cups and then try again? How about restarting the printer and trying again? (Not suggesting that restart this or that is the ultimate answer, but it has helped me troubleshoot this situation.) Robert On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 18:52, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > I am having trouble printing in acrobat reader. When I > try to print something in acrobat, nothing happens. I > know printing works because the Redhat/CUPS test page > works and printing in mozilla works. Does anyone have > a similar problem or know how to fix it? > > Chris > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From usernamenumber at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 17:44:11 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:44:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: <001b01c483a4$f56998b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c483a4$f56998b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Ok. I'll try doing that. I was hoping to avoid installing yellowdog because whatever technique I adopt for implimentation I'll have to do on 30+ machines. I'd rather do 1) Load MacOS 2) Put kernel in initrd 3) Reboot than 1) Load MacOS 2) Load YDL (since these are "old world" machines I'm led to believe I have to have macos first) 3) Tweak YDL 3) Reboot But with this type of machine is that just the way it'll have to be? If so, YDL supports kickstart, right? That would simplify things greatly. One other thing: I also have several powerbooks (1400c/166) which, accordind to their site, YDL will not run on. Do I have options there or is it just a lost cause? Thanks again for all your help! --Brad On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:23:18 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > all you will need is to be sure SOUND_DAEMON is set to > > "nasd" to get > > > sound working. I have not been successful running sound in > > the Bondi > > > > Sorry -- I've been gone, and missed some of this thread -- > > but I've only ever gotten "esd" to work on "chubby clients" > > > > You also have to start the esd server on the local machine in > > the inittab too... > > Oops, esd is what I meant to type. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 16 18:13:45 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c483a4$f56998b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <47535.10.10.10.10.1092680025.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Brad Smith said: > 1) Load MacOS > 2) Put kernel in initrd > 3) Reboot I would love to do this as well. Have it mount the / directory via NFS, and life would be hunky-dorey. I just don't know how to do that yet. :( As far as "kickstart" -- I would suggest using G4U to clone the hard drives once you have one installed. It works, even when you have to use the intel computer to do the cloning... It's saved me weeks of installing... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 16 19:13:06 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:13:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wireles" pxe boot ? In-Reply-To: <4120BD64.2060606@netscape.net> References: <20040816.Z8M.57833900@192.168.10.16> <4120BD64.2060606@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1092683586.1587.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 08:57, norbert wrote: > We've been running that environment for some time :-) . What I want > is a CDROM boot disk that will work with wireless NICs just as the one > for PXE. > > But thanks anyway It has to be a trivial change to a knoppix CD to make it run X -query server at startup instead of starting it's own window manager. I've just been too lazy to do it. You can get the effect by booting with 'knoppix 2' so it doesn't start X at all, then enter "X -query server" yourself to connect. Knoppix is overkill, but you need something with good hardware autodetect and a startup that includes pcmcia activation - and the price is right... ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fhkms at adelphia.net Mon Aug 16 19:46:30 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:46:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian on ipcop Message-ID: <20040816194630.DUZJ2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Perhaps this is not the correct forum to ask this, but I'm not sure where to find the answers.... I have dansguardian loaded onto an ipcop box, in front of my k12ltsp box. I am using the addonz package of dansguardian, which comes with a gui. So, when I access my ipcop gui, there is a tab for content filtering, where I can change configurations. Here is the problem. I would like for teachers here at the school to not be filtered. The filtering is working great; almost too good. If I want to download a free program I can't. One teacher used aol for email. It won't allow us to access aol. Under "exception user list file path" it says: #Users names, who, if basic #proxy authentication is #enabled, will automatically #not be filtered ir My understanding of this is if I list a user with a comment in front of the user name, they should be all set. an example would be for my username: #whatch But, its not working. I've tried doing this when the content filtering is turned on and turned off. Do I need to reboot ipcop for the settings to work? Do I need to rebooot my k12 box? Any ideas appreciated. Thanks! From ybjones at one.net Mon Aug 16 20:06:31 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:06:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Antivirus program for Linux In-Reply-To: <1092235834.30970.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040816200006.VNGJ16045.gx5.fuse.net@malachi> > probably don't need antivirus running. There are VERY few > virusi (sp?) for Linux. If you're running a mailserver that > serves to windows machines you might want to use ClamAV or > Vexira Linux Mail Server edition. I use set up both ClamAV and Vexira for my clients and I am very satisfied with both (as are my clients). ClamAV, in my opinion, is a great piece of software and could probably handle the scanning needs of many organizations. Use Anomy with it and you'll get rid of many viruses before the message is ever scanned. I don't think that you'll go wrong with either though. -Yancey From tlegge at rogers.com Mon Aug 16 20:04:55 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:04:55 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing in Acrobat Reader In-Reply-To: <1092677994.32513.40.camel@symbiont2.iwpnews.com> References: <20040813225236.76545.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> <1092677994.32513.40.camel@symbiont2.iwpnews.com> Message-ID: <1092686695.6114.10.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 14:39, Robert Harrelson wrote: > What printer and what driver (eg postscript, etc.) are you using? What > happens if you restart cups and then try again? How about restarting the > printer and trying again? (Not suggesting that restart this or that is > the ultimate answer, but it has helped me troubleshoot this situation.) It seems that recent versions of pdf seem to require more printer memory than in the past. I have a HP LaserJet 5L that had 1 meg of ram. Over the last year or two PDFs failed to print, were garbled etc. I added 8 megs and now the 7 year old printer works like a charm... Tim From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Aug 17 15:25:43 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:25:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Programs for all users using wine In-Reply-To: <1092686695.6114.10.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <003401c4846e$76e51490$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> How do I install programs so they are available to to all users. I have installed Reader Rabbit as root using wine and it works fine on the server. How do give access to the other users on the system? I don't want to have to install again for each user. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Legge Sent: Monday, 16 August 2004 1:05 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Printing in Acrobat Reader On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 14:39, Robert Harrelson wrote: > What printer and what driver (eg postscript, etc.) are you using? What > happens if you restart cups and then try again? How about restarting the > printer and trying again? (Not suggesting that restart this or that is > the ultimate answer, but it has helped me troubleshoot this situation.) It seems that recent versions of pdf seem to require more printer memory than in the past. I have a HP LaserJet 5L that had 1 meg of ram. Over the last year or two PDFs failed to print, were garbled etc. I added 8 megs and now the 7 year old printer works like a charm... Tim _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rfreidel at computergeex.com Mon Aug 16 20:19:49 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:19:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian on ipcop Message-ID: <20040816.Q14.55857800@192.168.10.16> I am not familiar with ipcop at all, but have convigured a few dansguardian systems on regular iptables firewalls... I am wondering why you show your username to be commented out? To a dansguardian configuration it would be invisible. Try removing the # from the user name in /etc/dansguardian/exceptionuserlist. Now all I have to do is to figure out how to get dansguardian/squid to work transparently on the LTSP boxes I installed last week. I know how to do it on firewalls, but the two schools I installed last week have separate firewalls. Will Hatch (fhkms at adelphia.net) wrote: > they should be all set. an example would be for my username: > > #whatch > > But, its not working. I've tried doing this when the content filtering is turned on > and turned off. Do I need to reboot ipcop for the settings to work? Do I need to > rebooot my k12 box? Any ideas appreciated. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 16 20:28:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:28:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] adduser/useradd issue Message-ID: <412118E0.1000403@paasda.org> useradd -p adds the user to the system but does NOT set the password via -p as it says it should in the 'man useradd' page.. alternately... useradd followed by ... passwd does in fact work fine...in settings the password after creating a user... Any idea why the first option does not function as the man page says it should? --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 16 20:57:30 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:57:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] adduser/useradd issue In-Reply-To: <412118E0.1000403@paasda.org> References: <412118E0.1000403@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41211FBA.1060401@paasda.org> More info on the problem... adding a user with useradd -p returns Alternate authentication scheme in use. when I run passwd -S BUT with ... adduser and then passwd I get... Password set, MD5 crypt. So I guess the question is how to get the '-p' parameter of 'useradd' to MD5 the password? --Huck Huck wrote: > useradd -p > > adds the user to the system but does NOT set the password > via -p as it says it should in the 'man useradd' page.. > > alternately... > > useradd > > followed by ... > > passwd > > does in fact work fine...in settings the password after creating a > user... > > Any idea why the first option does not function as the man page says > it should? > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 16 21:00:40 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:00:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] adduser/useradd issue In-Reply-To: <41211FBA.1060401@paasda.org> References: <412118E0.1000403@paasda.org> <41211FBA.1060401@paasda.org> Message-ID: Actually, I think the -p paramater expects you to key in the users (already encrypted) password, meaning you have to have it encrypted already to enter it in as the -p parameter. Anyone to say that is not correct? I'd appreciate being corrected, here. . . I have never made the -p parameter work either. . . Says something about the encrypted password in the man page. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Huck wrote: > More info on the problem... > adding a user with useradd -p > returns Alternate authentication scheme in use. when I run passwd -S > > > BUT with ... adduser and then passwd > > I get... > Password set, MD5 crypt. > > So I guess the question is how to get the '-p' parameter of 'useradd' to > MD5 the password? > > --Huck > > > Huck wrote: > > > useradd -p > > > > adds the user to the system but does NOT set the password > > via -p as it says it should in the 'man useradd' page.. > > > > alternately... > > > > useradd > > > > followed by ... > > > > passwd > > > > does in fact work fine...in settings the password after creating a > > user... > > > > Any idea why the first option does not function as the man page says > > it should? > > > > --Huck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 16 21:05:25 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:05:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian on ipcop In-Reply-To: <20040816194630.DUZJ2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <004001c483d4$c021c300$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > #Users names, who, if basic > #proxy authentication is > #enabled, will automatically > #not be filtered > > ir > > My understanding of this is if I list a user with a comment > in front of the user name, they should be all set. an example > would be for my username: > > #whatch As you already know I don't know how to do this, but my first attempt would be without the comment, such as #Users names, who, if basic #proxy authentication is #enabled, will automatically #not be filtered whatch --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Aug 16 21:31:20 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:31:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wireles" pxe boot ? In-Reply-To: <1092683586.1587.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040816.Z8M.57833900@192.168.10.16> <4120BD64.2060606@netscape.net> <1092683586.1587.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <412127A8.3090408@netscape.net> Hi Les, hmmm what I mean is a boot CD for the thin clients via a wireless NIC ..... norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 08:57, norbert wrote: > > > >>We've been running that environment for some time :-) . What I want >>is a CDROM boot disk that will work with wireless NICs just as the one >>for PXE. >> >>But thanks anyway >> >> > >It has to be a trivial change to a knoppix CD to make it run >X -query server at startup instead of starting it's own >window manager. I've just been too lazy to do it. You can >get the effect by booting with 'knoppix 2' so it doesn't >start X at all, then enter "X -query server" yourself to >connect. Knoppix is overkill, but you need something with >good hardware autodetect and a startup that includes pcmcia >activation - and the price is right... > >---- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 16 23:02:59 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:02:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wireles" pxe boot ? In-Reply-To: <412127A8.3090408@netscape.net> References: <20040816.Z8M.57833900@192.168.10.16> <4120BD64.2060606@netscape.net> <1092683586.1587.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <412127A8.3090408@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1092697379.9104.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:31, norbert wrote: > Hi Les, > > hmmm what I mean is a boot CD for the thin clients via a wireless NIC > ..... Yes, the issue is that you need to initialize PCMCIA and the card manager before you can talk to the NIC and that happens pretty late in the boot sequence. So, if you are booting from CD, why not load the kernel and X directly from there instead of over the network? You can get a lot better hardware detection and still end up being a thin client if you run "X -query ..." instead of starting a local window manager. I suppose it would take a little more effort o get sound working. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 16 23:15:59 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Purge User Issue Message-ID: <47731.10.10.10.10.1092698159.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Boy, I'm just full of questions today... For some reason, my 4.0.1 install of K12LTSP no longer purges users if they log in twice. I don't even get the warning... I have the setting correct in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp Any ideas? What actually *does* the purging? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Aug 16 23:22:53 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:22:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #1 Top Message-ID: <200408161822.53956.lsrpm@mts.net> I was using K12LTSP 4.0.1 everything was fine except for Issue #2 and #3 which I will get to in those posts. In this issue, I frequently used Top command to see how things were going, cpu and memory wise. the server is a Gateway 3.06 MHz processor with hyperthreading, and lots of memory. the Top program showed 2 cpu's when booting with the ltsmp(?) version of the kernel. When using the other version of the kernel, only one showed. I wiped the server and reloaded 4.1 version from scratch. The two kernel choices were smp(?) and not smp, no ltsmp(?) I tried both and neither one show 2 cpu's in Top. the smp version of the kernel is supposed to be the one used for multiple cpu's or hyperthreading. Has anyone run into this? I kind of like seeing 2 cpu's when running Top. Is this a change in 4.1? if it is it is a flaw, I think. Why am I not seeing 2 cpu's like I did in 4.0.1? just to check, I wiped and reloaded 4.0.1 again. I saw both cpu's again. Then I upgraded rather than fresh install, 2nd cpu disappeared again. I understand that the second cpu is just a function of the hyperthreading, but I like to know that it, the hyperthreading, is working. Any help/suggestions. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 16 23:25:10 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:25:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge User Issue In-Reply-To: <47731.10.10.10.10.1092698159.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <47731.10.10.10.10.1092698159.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1092698710.15034.38.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:15, Shawn Powers wrote: > Boy, I'm just full of questions today... > > For some reason, my 4.0.1 install of K12LTSP no longer purges users if > they log in twice. I don't even get the warning... > > I have the setting correct in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp > > Any ideas? What actually *does* the purging? Looks like line 12 in my /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Aug 16 23:25:44 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:25:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #2 Floppy Access Message-ID: <200408161825.44767.lsrpm@mts.net> I thought version 4.1 of K12LTSP changed the floppy access method. I understand the workstation floppy access method, ftp like. the kids in the higher grades would understand it and accept it. but the elementary grade kids won't understand the ftp access. Is there a way so that the local workstation floppies can be mounted, either manually, or automatically when it is inserted? This would be a real help to me Thanks in advance From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Aug 16 23:31:39 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:31:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #3 Sound Message-ID: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> my thin clients are IBM 300PL 6562's they have onboard nics, video, and sound video and nics work fine. Sound does not. I got the sound working partly with version 4.0.1, but couldn't get it to work on web pages or games, only if manually trying to play wav files, nothing else I thought 4.1 would help so I tried to install it but am not having much luck Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? The sound card on board is from Crystal. I tried playing with sound settings in lts.conf, but have had no luck. Does anyone know what the settings should be for this sound card? Please help. The kids will kill if I don't get this working. I also have a few workstations that are old Dell Optiplex GX1's same basic deal, no sound working. I haven't played with those, they connect but no, sound. I am really more concerned with the IBM's though again, please help From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 16 23:37:30 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:37:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #1 Top In-Reply-To: <200408161822.53956.lsrpm@mts.net> References: <200408161822.53956.lsrpm@mts.net> Message-ID: <1092699450.15034.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:22, Liam Marshall wrote: > the Top program showed 2 cpu's when booting with the ltsmp(?) > version of the kernel. When using the other version of the kernel, only one > showed. Use the smp kernel and then with top open, press "1". That alternately enables/disables the display individual logical processors. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Aug 16 23:37:29 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:37:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS....not quite understanding it..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41214539.4010308@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >since I have the names entered into the SME server and I know they >work....(I tested it by changing the option for name server in my >dhcpd.conf file to point to the SME server instead of the DHCP server aka >squidward) do I even need to bother with running named on the DHCP server >(squidward)? Will this affect my K12LTSP server at all? Doesn't seem to >thus far. Yet now I seem to be able to resolve the names of my printers. >Any advice...appreciated.... :-) > > > As long as your dns server is reachable by any systems configured (manually or via dhcp) to use it, it does not matter which system serves dns. If you were configuring your dhcp server to perform dynamic updates to dns then you might want to make them the same machine and restrict that access to loopback in dns, however there are other security options to make that secure, so dhcp and dns need not be on the same server even when using dynamic update. Because both are a critical part of your infrastructure I would want them to have raid disk and you should consider configuring an alternate dhcp server you can bring online quickly and one or more slave dns servers which are also listed in your dhcp assigned dns servers. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 16 23:40:19 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:40:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #1 Top In-Reply-To: <1092699450.15034.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <200408161822.53956.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092699450.15034.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1092699618.15034.53.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:37, Dan Young wrote: > Use the smp kernel and then with top open, press "1". That alternately > enables/disables the display of individual logical processors. ^^ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Aug 16 23:55:07 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:55:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #1 Top In-Reply-To: <1092699618.15034.53.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <200408161822.53956.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092699450.15034.50.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1092699618.15034.53.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200408161855.07320.lsrpm@mts.net> On Monday 16 August 2004 18:40, Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:37, Dan Young wrote: > > Use the smp kernel and then with top open, press "1". That alternately > > enables/disables the display of individual logical processors. > > ^^ > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District I will try that tomorrow, Hope it works, thank you so much > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 17 00:03:38 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Purge User Issue In-Reply-To: <1092698710.15034.38.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <47731.10.10.10.10.1092698159.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092698710.15034.38.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <47869.10.10.10.10.1092701018.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Dan Young said: >> Any ideas? What actually *does* the purging? > Looks like line 12 in my /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default Ah HA! So switching to xdm is the cause. :) Thanks Dan -- now I just need to figure out how to do the same in xdm, which I like tons better. (Nothing to configure, there are definite advantages to that...) Thanks again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From k12osn at collinsoft.com Tue Aug 17 02:34:32 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian on ipcop In-Reply-To: <20040816194630.DUZJ2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Will Hatch wrote: > Perhaps this is not the correct forum to ask this, but I'm not sure where to find the answers.... I have dansguardian loaded onto an ipcop box, in front of my k12ltsp box. I am using the addonz package of dansguardian, which comes with a gui. So, when I access my ipcop gui, there is a tab for content filtering, where I can change configurations. Here is the problem. > I would like for teachers here at the school to not be filtered. The filtering is working great; almost too good. If I want to download a free program I can't. One teacher used aol for email. It won't allow us to access aol. > Under "exception user list file path" it says: > > #Users names, who, if basic > #proxy authentication is > #enabled, will automatically > #not be filtered > > But, its not working. I've tried doing this when the content filtering is turned on and turned off. Do I need to reboot ipcop for the settings to work? Do I need to rebooot my k12 box? Any ideas appreciated. Thanks! Are you transparently filtering? You can't do any proxy authentication if you are, which puts a damper in this situation. What you could do is show your teachers how to set their proxy server and then let them authenticate. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 17 02:16:07 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:16:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <000a01c48390$678168c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000a01c48390$678168c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1092708967.21797.13.camel@BigDog.mcquil.com> Jim, I suspect the problem is with the 2.6 kernel. Anyway, rather than just trying cards and cables at random, lets take a more informed approach. Unplug your internal LAN cable, and just leave the external lan cable plugged in. Then, try this: mii-tools eth0 and see if it reports that the link is up or not. Also, try: mii-tools eth1 See what it says. Only one of those should report that a cable is plugged in. This is how you can identify which nic is which. So, now you can plug the right cable into the right nic. Once you've got the right cable in the right nic, now you can make sure that the IP addresses are getting assigned the way you expect. Let's say eth1 is supposed to be the external nic. Is it using dhcp to get an address ? Or, are you assigning a static IP address. What about the default route ? Is that being set properly (either statically or via dhcp). Show us what the output of 'netstat -rn' shows. At this point, you should at least be able to ping the router. Back to eth0, is the interface getting set with the correct IP address ? If so, try booting a thin client from it, and see what happens. Try running: tcpdump -i eth0 and see if you see any traffic when booting. Also, try popping into the #ltsp IRC channel on irc.freenode.net, and we can work with you interactively. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 08:56, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Jim, > > > > Any chance that the server nics are being detected in a > > different order, > > therefore requiring you swap the 2 network cables ? > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at LTsp.org > > > This is my bet. I have seen the 2.4 & 2.6 kernels detect nics in > different orders. > > > > -Eric > > Yes they are detected in a different order, that seems to be the case > with every install of 4.x compared to 3.x. But I noticed that right > away and have swapped cables both ways to see what happened. And like I > said, I have tried many NIC's (known working), the onboard Rhine II, a > 3Com 905, 3Com509, LNE100TX in all different orders and slots and cannot > get anything to leave the box. I am at the point where I cannot use > 4.1.0 on this box because I cannot get it to the internet or get local > clients to see it. > > Any other ideas? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Aug 17 02:33:56 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:33:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wireles" pxe boot ? In-Reply-To: <1092697379.9104.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040816.Z8M.57833900@192.168.10.16> <4120BD64.2060606@netscape.net> <1092683586.1587.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <412127A8.3090408@netscape.net> <1092697379.9104.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41216E94.8010404@netscape.net> Hi Les, Hey that's brilliant !! That way on the data & apt traffic would need to be relayed to & from the server. Basically it would be like loading Knoppix on a CD & launching a remote login.... thanks norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 16:31, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi Les, >> >>hmmm what I mean is a boot CD for the thin clients via a wireless NIC >>..... >> >> > >Yes, the issue is that you need to initialize PCMCIA and the card >manager before you can talk to the NIC and that happens pretty late >in the boot sequence. So, if you are booting from CD, why not >load the kernel and X directly from there instead of over the >network? You can get a lot better hardware detection and still >end up being a thin client if you run "X -query ..." instead of >starting a local window manager. I suppose it would take a little >more effort o get sound working. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 17 03:35:52 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:35:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #2 Floppy Access In-Reply-To: <200408161825.44767.lsrpm@mts.net> References: <200408161825.44767.lsrpm@mts.net> Message-ID: <200408162235.52127.lsrpm@mts.net> On Monday 16 August 2004 18:25, Liam Marshall wrote: > I thought version 4.1 of K12LTSP changed the floppy access method. I > understand the workstation floppy access method, ftp like. > > the kids in the higher grades would understand it and accept it. but the > elementary grade kids won't understand the ftp access. > > Is there a way so that the local workstation floppies can be mounted, > either manually, or automatically when it is inserted? > > This would be a real help to me > > Thanks in advance > either a slow night or no one has an answer. I am hoping for some resolution before school starts From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 17 03:36:31 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:36:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #3 Sound In-Reply-To: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> Message-ID: <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> On Monday 16 August 2004 18:31, Liam Marshall wrote: > my thin clients are IBM 300PL 6562's > > they have onboard nics, video, and sound > > video and nics work fine. Sound does not. > > I got the sound working partly with version 4.0.1, but couldn't get it to > work on web pages or games, only if manually trying to play wav files, > nothing else > > I thought 4.1 would help so I tried to install it but am not having much > luck > > Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? The sound card on board is from > Crystal. I tried playing with sound settings in lts.conf, but have had no > luck. > > Does anyone know what the settings should be for this sound card? > > Please help. The kids will kill if I don't get this working. > > I also have a few workstations that are old Dell Optiplex GX1's same basic > deal, no sound working. I haven't played with those, they connect but no, > sound. I am really more concerned with the IBM's though > > again, please help > > either a slow night or no one has an answer. I am begging for some resolution before school starts From bimalp at indoasian.com Mon Aug 16 13:27:13 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 16 Aug 2004 18:57:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Xconfiguration. Message-ID: <1092662833.8512.10.camel@server.ltsp> dear all, i tried to configure a client(node) for the X resolution in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file as [ws01] XSERVER = vesa X_MODE_0 = 800x600 LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 50-120 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 RUNLEVEL = 5 it worked but the Icons/font where too big then i tried [ws01] XSERVER = vesa X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 50-120 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 RUNLEVEL = 5 but the node side is not accepting it i.e. i am still getting the same big Icons/fonts.the monitor i have is of hp make, while in windows it accepts 1024x768 very well and the icon size is pretty good(as i liked.) further i would like to know that how can we set the "dpi" parameter i.e dots/inches? any help will be highly appreciated. bimal From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Aug 17 04:52:44 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:52:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM sleep timeout Message-ID: <41218F1C.5090706@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi K12 team After about a minute, the login screen goes black when gdm is started, is there a way to make this timeout longer, to something like 30 minutes? Where do I set this? Thanks jonathan From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 17 04:57:15 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:57:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RedHat or Funky Footprint Message-ID: <200408162357.15212.lsrpm@mts.net> with version K12LTSP 4.0.1 the default desktop and the icon functioning like the start button in windows was a redhat, the fedora with version K12LTSP 4.1 the default desktop start button icon after I upgraded was the gnome footprint, I think. It that intentional? From phealy at dsta.net Tue Aug 17 06:38:32 2004 From: phealy at dsta.net (Patrick Healy) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:38:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Upgrade Problem -- Logout Crashes System Message-ID: <1092724712.2688.25.camel@orion> Today I upgraded to version 4.1 (FC2) from an old RH9 version. It went reasonably well -- except that logging out from the console crashes the server. Logging out from a VNC client or thin client does not do this -- only from the console. I've tried several combinations of gdm, kdm, xdm (changed with /etc/sysconfig/desktop) and different Gnome, KDE, and Icewm sessions -- even mixed and matched -- all with the same result. I can kill X with ctrl-alt-backspace with no problem, but proper logouts just hang with a blank screen forever. Here's some of the last bits happening before a crash using gdm: Aug 16 17:55:28 orion gdm[2920]: Sending COOKIE 2920 8a... Aug 16 17:55:28 orion gdm[2352]: Handling message: 'COOKIE 2920 8a...' Aug 16 17:55:28 orion gdm[2352]: Got COOKIE == Aug 16 17:55:28 orion gdm[2920]: gdm_server_reinit: Server for :0 is about to be reinitialized! Aug 16 17:55:28 orion gdm[2352]: (child 2920) gdm_slave_usr2_handler: :0 got USR2 signal Aug 16 17:55:28 orion gdm[2920]: do_server_wait: Before mainloop waiting for server Aug 16 17:55:29 orion gdm[2920]: gdm_server_start: After mainloop waiting for server Aug 16 17:55:29 orion gdm[2920]: gdm_slave_start: Loop Thingie Aug 16 17:55:29 orion gdm[2920]: gdm_slave_run: Opening display :0 Aug 16 17:55:29 orion gdm[2352]: (child 2920) gdm_server_usr1_handler: Got SIGUSR1, server running I really don't want to try to remember all the (undocumented) system changes I've done that would be lost with a fresh install. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School From I.Derks at translucent.nl Tue Aug 17 08:19:04 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:19:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #3 Sound In-Reply-To: <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> Message-ID: <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sound is always a bit tacky, because there are a) a few sound servers to chose from with different characteristics and b) not all applications support remote sound. So what you should do is find out what kind of soundserver can support your app, if at all. take a look at http://www.ltsp.org/sound/ and browse the ltsp mailinglist for different sound Q&A. Regards, Immanuel On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 05:36, Liam Marshall wrote: > On Monday 16 August 2004 18:31, Liam Marshall wrote: > > my thin clients are IBM 300PL 65http://www.ltsp.org/sound/62's > > > > they have onboard nics, video, and sound > > > > video and nics work fine. Sound does not. > > > > I got the sound working partly with version 4.0.1, but couldn't get it to > > work on web pages or games, only if manually trying to play wav files, > > nothing else > > > > I thought 4.1 would help so I tried to install it but am not having much > > luck > > > > Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? The sound card on board is from > > Crystal. I tried playing with sound settings in lts.conf, but have had no > > luck. > > > > Does anyone know what the settings should be for this sound card? > > > > Please help. The kids will kill if I don't get this working. > > > > I also have a few workstations that are old Dell Optiplex GX1's same basic > > deal, no sound working. I haven't played with those, they connect but no, > > sound. I am really more concerned with the IBM's though > > > > again, please help > > > > > > > either a slow night or no one has an answer. I am begging for some resolution > before school starts > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 6127702 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From thepiano at pandora.be Tue Aug 17 08:38:46 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:38:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP servers In-Reply-To: <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hello, as I'm in a hurry, can anyone point me to a good place to start, if you're having yet a windoze DHCP server running on the network, and like to run the K12LTSP server with DHCP on that same network? 2 subnets or? Thnx Kevin From bimalp at indoasian.com Tue Aug 17 08:49:33 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 17 Aug 2004 14:19:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP servers In-Reply-To: References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1092732573.3879.9.camel@server.ltsp> dear kevin though you can do this i.e. more than one dhcp server on the same network, but the preferable is one only. even if you want to do it you have the following options:- 1) in case you just need to give IP address you can use single DHCP server. while you can mention different IP address/network/netmask 2) in case you need to run K12ltsp you will have to define your range excatly and bind it with the MAC address, as nodes just sends a request and it get an IP from, to which it reaches first., this in case IP are in network/netmask or else your windows m/c will get some ip from linux dhcp and vice versa... hope this will help regards, bimal On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 14:08, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > as I'm in a hurry, can anyone point me to a good place to start, if > you're having yet a windoze DHCP server running on the network, and > like to run the K12LTSP server with DHCP on that same network? > > 2 subnets or? > > Thnx > > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From thepiano at pandora.be Tue Aug 17 09:02:04 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:02:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP servers In-Reply-To: <1092732573.3879.9.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1092732573.3879.9.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1C09CAFD-F02C-11D8-9DB1-003065521B98@pandora.be> do you have an example config file? Kevin On 17 Aug 2004, at 10:49, bimal pandit wrote: > dear kevin > > though you can do this i.e. more than one dhcp server on the same > network, but the preferable is one only. > > even if you want to do it you have the following options:- > > 1) in case you just need to give IP address you can use single DHCP > server. while you can mention different IP address/network/netmask > > 2) in case you need to run K12ltsp you will have to define your range > excatly and bind it with the MAC address, as nodes just sends a request > and it get an IP from, to which it reaches first., this in case IP are > in network/netmask or else your windows m/c will get some ip from > linux > dhcp and vice versa... > > hope this will help > > regards, > > bimal > > On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 14:08, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> Hello, >> >> as I'm in a hurry, can anyone point me to a good place to start, if >> you're having yet a windoze DHCP server running on the network, and >> like to run the K12LTSP server with DHCP on that same network? >> >> 2 subnets or? >> >> Thnx >> >> Kevin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Aug 17 09:16:58 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:16:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP servers In-Reply-To: References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200408171016.58752.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 17 Aug 2004 9:38 am, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > as I'm in a hurry, can anyone point me to a good place to start, if > you're having yet a windoze DHCP server running on the network, and > like to run the K12LTSP server with DHCP on that same network? > > 2 subnets or? Our experience shows that you can have as many DHCP servers as you want. We have 6 servers for our LTSP clients and each is a DHCP server. The th in clients connect to a "random" box when they boot up, so the load gets distrubted amongst the servers. This worked fine under RH9 and now is working in a mix of RH9 and FC1 servers, with no special software installed to handle the load balancing. Like the ad says "Isn't it nice when things just work?" I haven't fathomed how it all works but I think it probably has something to do with the load on the server. Sometimes the most powerful of the servers gets a bit greedy takes more clients, but a quick kick of the dhcpd sorts that out. We also have 2 M$ DHCP servers; one is in the same subnet as the aforementioned Linux servers and this works OK too. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 17 12:02:31 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 8:02:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian on ipcop Message-ID: <20040817120231.TXTR404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Ryan said: What you could do is show your teachers how to set their proxy server and then let them authenticate. How do I do this Ryan? If I remember correctly, Dansguardian wouldn't work if I did not tab transparent proxy. If I go to the ipcop gui interface, and unselect the tab for transparent proxy, will my content filtering work? Will > > From: k12osn at collinsoft.com > Date: 2004/08/16 Mon PM 10:34:32 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] dansguardian on ipcop > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Will Hatch wrote: > > Perhaps this is not the correct forum to ask this, but I'm not sure where to find the answers.... I have dansguardian loaded onto an ipcop box, in front of my k12ltsp box. I am using the addonz package of dansguardian, which comes with a gui. So, when I access my ipcop gui, there is a tab for content filtering, where I can change configurations. Here is the problem. > > I would like for teachers here at the school to not be filtered. The filtering is working great; almost too good. If I want to download a free program I can't. One teacher used aol for email. It won't allow us to access aol. > > Under "exception user list file path" it says: > > > > #Users names, who, if basic > > #proxy authentication is > > #enabled, will automatically > > #not be filtered > > > > But, its not working. I've tried doing this when the content filtering is turned on and turned off. Do I need to reboot ipcop for the settings to work? Do I need to rebooot my k12 box? Any ideas appreciated. Thanks! > > Are you transparently filtering? You can't do any proxy authentication if > you are, which puts a damper in this situation. What you could do is show > your teachers how to set their proxy server and then let them > authenticate. > > -- > Ryan Collins > Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 17 12:39:46 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 06:39:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Three Issues With 4.1 Issue #3 Sound In-Reply-To: <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4121FC92.2060705@earthlink.net> Snipped from previous email: >> I also have a few workstations that are old Dell Optiplex GX1's same basic deal, no sound working. I haven't played with those, they connect but no, sound. I am really more concerned with the IBM's though again, please help <> either a slow night or no one has an answer. I am begging for some resolution before school starts << We upgraded our servers over the summer. (We, I guess I should say Calvin upgraded our servers, he did all the hard work!) We have sound working somewhat on the back row in our lab -- they are GX1s. These are the settings in the lts.conf file. I didn't do the hard work of getting it running, Calvin works with me and had sound working on k12 at home. It works on the few games I have tried and a Disney website that Elizabeth pulled up for me, we checked out a few "clips" of some kind, cartoons I think. He also installed mpg321 (command-line mp3 player), and I will try that today with the new headphones -- I have a copy of a song in my home I want to test this. Notice I have clipped the "default" section of the lts.conf file, and the "row" section. I do know volume control is an issue (different clips on that Disney site played and WAY different volumes, blasting me out of my chair once) and I plan on buying a pair of headphones with volume control and testing that today. Sound in our lab is something we are trying to get going this year, So I feel your pain. All the kids want sound to work.... The web is such a challenge with ltsp and all the cool stuff the sites do, having all the right plugins, etc. Lots of educational websites are very sophisticated, and use the latest and greatest. Please let me know if you would like an update on volume control. BTW, SCREEN_02=shell came in really handy yesterday (in the default section). We have such a hodge-podge of equipment, I have to do a lot of settings by hand in the lts.conf file. Sometimes I'll put a terminal together, it looks fine and then when the GUI is supposed to appear, blank screen or a big strip of blurry static. Now, I can just do a ctrl-alt-f2 and get a bash prompt, and ssh to the server, make the appropriate changes to the lts.conf file, or look at the log file. Calvin just recently uncommented that line and I just discovered it yesterday. Saved me a few steps. He has been using it to troubleshoot the sound issues on the individual workstations as he was trying to get sound going, one little step at a time. I think he is really still figuring out how to get all of the different things working with sound, one at a time. Hopefully we can post our successes. Rita Gibson RMSEL [Default] # IP address of the LTSP server SERVER = 192.168.0.254 NFS_SERVER = 192.168.0.254 DNS_SERVER = 192.168.0.254 # Video drivers for the terminals XSERVER = auto # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga # XFree 3 drivers: XF86_FBDev XF86_S3 XF86_S3V XF86_SVGA # XF86_VGA16 XFree86 Xvesa X4_MODULE_01 = glx # add the GLX module by default, blender and the like need it # Mice drivers for the terminals X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "us" # Example of setting a different (German) keyboard mapping, # XkbLayout = "de" # also see: # http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html # http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN1213 # /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/) # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86) USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell #SCREEN_03 = telnet # TELNET_HOST = 192.168.0.254 #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp # comment the following line to disable USB support RCFILE_01 = "usb" # uncomment the following line to enable floppy support RCFILE_02 = floppyd # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" #======================================================== #BEGIN ROW 4 #NO. 22 [00:c0:4f:5a:c8:09] SERVER=192.168.0.4 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.4 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #NO. 23 [00:c0:4f:54:44:ea] SERVER=192.168.0.4 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.4 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #NO. 24 [00:c0:4f:41:15:81] SERVER = 192.168.0.4 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.4 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #NO. 25 (updated 07/08/2004) #Dell GX1 H5HNX [00:c0:4f:6d:43:57] SERVER=192.168.0.4 XSERVER=XF86_SVGA X_VERTREFRESH = 50-65 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.4 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #NO. 26 [00:c0:4f:7f:95:f9] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.254 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #Machine 27 #Dell GX1 [00:c0:4f:54:45:41] SERVER=192.168.0.4 XSERVER=XF86_SVGA X_VERTREFRESH = 50-65 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.4 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #Machine 28 [00:c0:4f:ac:82:e6] SERVER=192.168.0.4 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.4 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" #Machine 29 (ws?) [00:c0:4f:7f:b1:71] SERVER=192.168.0.254 USE_NFS_SWAP=Y SWAP_SERVER=192.168.0.254 XSERVER=XF86_SVGA X_VERTREFRESH=50-65 SMODULE_01="cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" >Sound is always a bit tacky, because there are a) a few sound servers to >chose from with different characteristics and b) not all applications >support remote sound. > >So what you should do is find out what kind of soundserver can support >your app, if at all. > >take a look at http://www.ltsp.org/sound/ and browse the ltsp >mailinglist for different sound Q&A. > >Regards, Immanuel > >On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 05:36, Liam Marshall wrote: > > >>On Monday 16 August 2004 18:31, Liam Marshall wrote: >> >> >>>my thin clients are IBM 300PL 65http://www.ltsp.org/sound/62's >>> >>>they have onboard nics, video, and sound >>> >>>video and nics work fine. Sound does not. >>> >>>I got the sound working partly with version 4.0.1, but couldn't get it to >>>work on web pages or games, only if manually trying to play wav files, >>>nothing else >>> >>>I thought 4.1 would help so I tried to install it but am not having much >>>luck >>> >>>Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? The sound card on board is from >>>Crystal. I tried playing with sound settings in lts.conf, but have had no >>>luck. >>> >>>Does anyone know what the settings should be for this sound card? >>> >>>Please help. The kids will kill if I don't get this working. >>> >>>I also have a few workstations that are old Dell Optiplex GX1's same basic >>>deal, no sound working. I haven't played with those, they connect but no, >>>sound. I am really more concerned with the IBM's though >>> >>>again, please help >>> >>> >>> >>> >> <> >> either a slow night or no one has an answer. I am begging for some >> resolution >> before school starts >> >> From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 17 12:48:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:48:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses Message-ID: <000c01c48458$8e275f70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Just a heads up to those of you not running antivirus on your Linux machines because you think you are safe since there aren't viruses on Linux. I just looked through my update logs today from our MDaemon mail server. I found an update for this virus Trojan.Linux.Rootkit.s, so I researched it and found that it comes across disguised as a .mp3 and deletes the users entire home directory when executed. So a little nervous I ran some other Google searches and came across this post in another forum: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2004-01/0554.html Look a few of them up and I'll bet we see more discussion on Linux virus scanners. That said, I'll ask again if there are any suggestions for a real time virus scanner for Linux file servers that anyone can suggest to me. I want to be sure users are unable to upload any files from any OS be it Windows, Mac OS, or Linux to the server without first being scanned. I do have ClamAV loaded but that seems to require a manual scan on my part, it isn't triggered on file upload. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 17 13:49:43 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 08:49:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <1092708967.21797.13.camel@BigDog.mcquil.com> Message-ID: <001901c48461$0d123e10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I suspect the problem is with the 2.6 kernel. > > Anyway, rather than just trying cards and cables at random, > lets take a more informed approach. > > Unplug your internal LAN cable, and just leave the external > lan cable plugged in. > > Then, try this: > > mii-tools eth0 > > and see if it reports that the link is up or not. > > Also, try: > > mii-tools eth1 > > See what it says. > > Only one of those should report that a cable is plugged in. > > This is how you can identify which nic is which. > > So, now you can plug the right cable into the right nic. > > Once you've got the right cable in the right nic, now you can > make sure that the IP addresses are getting assigned the way > you expect. > > Let's say eth1 is supposed to be the external nic. Is it > using dhcp to get an address ? Or, are you assigning a > static IP address. > > What about the default route ? Is that being set properly > (either statically or via dhcp). > > Show us what the output of 'netstat -rn' shows. > > At this point, you should at least be able to ping the router. > > Back to eth0, is the interface getting set with the correct > IP address ? If so, try booting a thin client from it, and > see what happens. > > Try running: tcpdump -i eth0 > and see if you see any traffic when booting. > > Also, try popping into the #ltsp IRC channel on > irc.freenode.net, and we can work with you interactively. Thanks Jim, I will try your suggestions. Unfortunately some things have came up here again and I have to put this on hold for a couple of days. I have seen the #ltsp IRC suggested in the past, but how do I join/use it? Also I have determined definitely which card is eth1 and which is eth0, since they are both different brand cards right now I just checked the network properties in the gui to see which card had which settings. The LNE100TX is set for 192.168.0.254 to offer DHCP to the internal network, and the Intel Pro100 is set to DHCP waiting for an IP from the external network (I have also tried static). I have plugged each cable in individually and tested with ping. Nothing I do gets me past the NIC's. But just shoot me info on how to get to #ltsp IRC and I will just jump on when I try my next attempts. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 17 14:04:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:04:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian on ipcop In-Reply-To: <20040817120231.TXTR404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <001a01c48463$2c86b170$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Ryan said: What you could do is show > your teachers how to set their proxy server and then let them > authenticate. > > How do I do this Ryan? If I remember correctly, Dansguardian > wouldn't work if I did not tab transparent proxy. If I go to > the ipcop gui interface, and unselect the tab for > transparent proxy, will my content filtering work? >From my messing around you can turn off the transparent proxy and then set all of your clients to use proxy from machine xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx on port 8080 (or whatever it is set at). My only problem with this is that anyone can just disable the proxy so how is this secure? Or is there a trick for locking down proxy settings to go along with this? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 16:54:22 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PDF cups printer? In-Reply-To: <46576.10.10.10.10.1092670660.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040817165422.29049.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, You might want to check out this link: http://contribs.org/contribs/rvandenaker/beta/e-smith-cups/documentation/howtos/cups-pdf-printer.html If that isn't good enough for you put into google "cups pdf printer" like I did to find more results. Chris --- Shawn Powers wrote: > Hello all, > > I'd like to make a default printer on my FC1 box > that make PDF files > instead of printing... This is because I want my > "default" printer to be > location-independant. Is there a way to configure a > printer in cups that > just saves the output to a PDF? > > Thanks in advance, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > -- reasons>-- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future > plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of > Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply > with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored > completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 17 14:18:13 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:18:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <001901c48461$0d123e10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c48461$0d123e10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1092752293.21797.22.camel@BigDog.mcquil.com> Jim, For IRC access, take a look at this doc: http://www.ltsp.org/irc.php Jim. On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 09:49, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I suspect the problem is with the 2.6 kernel. > > > > Anyway, rather than just trying cards and cables at random, > > lets take a more informed approach. > > http://www.ltsp.org/irc.php > > Unplug your internal LAN cable, and just leave the external > > lan cable plugged in. > > > > Then, try this: > > > > mii-tools eth0 > > > > and see if it reports that the link is up or not. > > > > Also, try: > > > > mii-tools eth1 > > > > See what it says. > > > > Only one of those should report that a cable is plugged in. > > > > This is how you can identify which nic is which. > > > > So, now you can plug the right cable into the right nic. > > > > Once you've got the right cable in the right nic, now you can > > make sure that the IP addresses are getting assigned the way > > you expect. > > > > Let's say eth1 is supposed to be the external nic. Is it > > using dhcp to get an address ? Or, are you assigning a > > static IP address. > > > > What about the default route ? Is that being set properly > > (either statically or via dhcp). > > > > Show us what the output of 'netstat -rn' shows. > > > > At this point, you should at least be able to ping the router. > > > > Back to eth0, is the interface getting set with the correct > > IP address ? If so, try booting a thin client from it, and > > see what happens. > > > > Try running: tcpdump -i eth0 > > and see if you see any traffic when booting. > > > > Also, try popping into the #ltsp IRC channel on > > irc.freenode.net, and we can work with you interactively. > > Thanks Jim, > I will try your suggestions. Unfortunately some things have came up > here again and I have to put this on hold for a couple of days. I have > seen the #ltsp IRC suggested in the past, but how do I join/use it? > > Also I have determined definitely which card is eth1 and which is > eth0, since they are both different brand cards right now I just checked > the network properties in the gui to see which card had which settings. > The LNE100TX is set for 192.168.0.254 to offer DHCP to the internal > network, and the Intel Pro100 is set to DHCP waiting for an IP from the > external network (I have also tried static). I have plugged each cable > in individually and tested with ping. Nothing I do gets me past the > NIC's. > > But just shoot me info on how to get to #ltsp IRC and I will just > jump on when I try my next attempts. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brockn at gmail.com Tue Aug 17 18:34:41 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:34:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client Screen goes to terminal with message unexpectedly Message-ID: <741dcbb8040817113435ab3a32@mail.gmail.com> I am running k12 LSTP. I have one server and one client. (for now) On the client every 15 minutes or so X goes away and I get what appears to be a terminal interface (i cannot type though) and it has the following message. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE), (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log File: "/var/log/XFreeConfig.0.log" Time Aug XX XX:XX:XX 2004 (++) Using config file: "/tmp/XF*^Config.1" The keyboard does NOTHING but if I press the power button for about a second or so I get back into x windows. This happens with all users. ??? Brock From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Aug 17 19:21:36 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:21:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <000c01c48458$8e275f70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000c01c48458$8e275f70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:48:55 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > That said, I'll ask again if there are any suggestions for a real time > virus scanner for Linux file servers that anyone can suggest to me. I > want to be sure users are unable to upload any files from any OS be it > Windows, Mac OS, or Linux to the server without first being scanned. I > do have ClamAV loaded but that seems to require a manual scan on my > part, > it isn't triggered on file upload. > Use freshclam every, say, 2 hours. Freshclam can run in daemon mode. Mario Guerra -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From olle at paalalinn.com Tue Aug 17 20:33:01 2004 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:33:01 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard layout on 4.1.0 terminals In-Reply-To: References: <1092429046.4383.36.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <1092774780.8155.18.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> Ok, it works when I type it in terminal: xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.ee But I use gnome and can't find location where put this line to every user will use ee layout. Any hint, where to put this line is please! Olle Niit From lug at phxlinux.org Tue Aug 17 23:08:30 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:08:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server Message-ID: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We have a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. Does anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server for Linux thin-clients? Thanks, ~Matt From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue Aug 17 23:57:13 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:57:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Free Windows Software CD-Rom for schools... Message-ID: <1092787033.31143.5.camel@homepc.localdomain> Hello Folks, Here's a link to version 2.0 of the free (as in open source, free as in freedom) CD-Rom image with several great open source applications for those of you using Windows in your schools. http://k12os.org/freecd-2.0.iso << CD-Rom iso image http://k12os.org/freecd_readme.html << file listing There are links to some free but non-oss software you'll have to download but most the programs are included on the CD and they are free to copy and share as you like. Give them away to your students and teachers. Save some of those tax dollars and go hire an art teacher! ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 voice(503)892-0722...fax(503)892-0723.. http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Aug 18 13:23:02 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:23:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <000c01c48458$8e275f70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000c01c48458$8e275f70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41235836.5040609@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >server. I found an update for this virus Trojan.Linux.Rootkit.s, so I >researched it and found that it comes across disguised as a .mp3 and >deletes the users entire home directory when executed. So a little > > Certainly that's not a virus? If I do a: $echo "rm ~/* -Rf" > coolsound.mp3 $chmod +x coolsound.mp3 Then it should do the same as described above. Trojans and virusses are two different horses. Executing *any* alien file is a big security risk. Some script kiddie can easily break your system if he has enough info about it. Moral of the story: trust no one. -Jonathan From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Aug 18 05:22:49 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:22:49 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client Screen goes to terminal with message unexpectedly In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8040817113435ab3a32@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8040817113435ab3a32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4122E7A9.3010603@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Brock Noland wrote: >I am running k12 LSTP. I have one server and one client. (for now) On >the client every 15 minutes or so X goes away and I get what appears >to be a terminal interface (i cannot type though) and it has the >following message. > > How much RAM does this thin client have? You might want to enable swap over NFS in your lts.conf file. -Jonathan From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Aug 18 05:55:37 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:25:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Xconfiguration. In-Reply-To: <1092662833.8512.10.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1092662833.8512.10.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1092808537.12734.25.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 18:57, bimal pandit wrote: > dear all, > > i tried to configure a client(node) for the X resolution in > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file as > > [ws01] > XSERVER = vesa > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > LOCAL_APPS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m > X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 > X_VERTREFRESH = 50-120 > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 > RUNLEVEL = 5 > > it worked but the Icons/font where too big then i tried > > [ws01] > > XSERVER = vesa > X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 > LOCAL_APPS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m > X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 > X_VERTREFRESH = 50-120 > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 > RUNLEVEL = 5 > > but the node side is not accepting it i.e. i am still getting the same > big Icons/fonts.the monitor i have is of hp make, while in windows it > accepts 1024x768 very well and the icon size is pretty good(as i liked.) > > further i would like to know that how can we set the "dpi" parameter i.e > dots/inches? > > any help will be highly appreciated. > Bimal What is the memory allocated to display / or on card? If the memory is less than 2mb you can run into this issue under X. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 18 12:40:10 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:40:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <41235836.5040609@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <000c01c48458$8e275f70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41235836.5040609@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <1092832809.7508.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 08:23, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > > Certainly that's not a virus? If I do a: > $echo "rm ~/* -Rf" > coolsound.mp3 > $chmod +x coolsound.mp3 > Then it should do the same as described above. Trojans and virusses are > two different horses. Executing *any* alien file is a big security risk. > Some script kiddie can easily break your system if he has enough info > about it. > > Moral of the story: trust no one. Backups should be your first line of defense for bad things happening to your files and this includes deceptive suggestions as well as typos like the classic "rm -r file *" when you meant file*. A big IDE drive on some PC running backuppc makes this cheap and painless... There are some attempts at real time scanning like http://dazuko.org/ that work with clam and others, but it still sounds pretty experimental and likely to cause more trouble than it prevents. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Wed Aug 18 13:26:22 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:26:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Optical-wheel mouse to work on com1? Message-ID: <412358FE.6050803@coll-outao.qc.ca> Has anyone gotten a optical wheel mouse (ps2 or usb) to work on the serial port (thats all i got on P75)? I tried using Microsoft and IMPS2 protocols and keeping the port on ttyS0 but no response. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 18 13:30:52 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:30:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <1092832809.7508.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000201c48527$9513ad50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > There are some attempts at real time scanning > like http://dazuko.org/ that work with clam > and others, but it still sounds pretty experimental > and likely to cause more trouble than it prevents. Yeah, I tried dazuko and didn't have much luck. Everything said use at your own risk so I did. It didn't crash the system or anything but I had no problem uploading viruses to the server. I don't really have a problem running ClamAV nightly or anything but real time would just be better. The main reason for virus protection on this campus is that most of the machines are still Mac and Windows. So I want a system for real time protection with them. I am not worried about viruses on the Linux machines yet but just wanted to be sure no one is telling people that anti-virus is not needed on Linux because they don't exist (like I have been saying until about 2 days ago). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Aug 18 14:03:37 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:03:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> References: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> Message-ID: <1092837817.3794.40.camel@penguin> On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 19:08, Matt Alexander wrote: > The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We have > a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. Does > anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server for > Linux thin-clients? There were some talk about making some, but I don't know if it actually happened. Have you checked the wiki? JSR/ From rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us Wed Aug 18 14:04:56 2004 From: rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us (Bob Robnett) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:04:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:09 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We have a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. Does anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server for Linux thin-clients? Thanks, ~Matt Matt- I think that all you have to do is disable the DHCP daemon in the Linux server box and make sure that the range of addresses for clients matches the ip range on the DHCP server. The Linux box will default to a private range starting at .100 if I remember right. Your range may be different, so you would have to change the range on the Linux box. I don't think the Linux box cares where the client gets its address... It has been a couple of years since I played with it, but I had a K12LTSP box serving in an evironment serviced by a NT 4 DHCP server-no problems. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Aug 18 14:19:50 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:19:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server Message-ID: <41236586.7010806@honeygroveisd.net> > > From: > Matt Alexander > Date: > Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:08:30 -0700 > > To: > k12osn at redhat.com > > >The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We have a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. Does anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server for Linux thin-clients? >Thanks, >~Matt > > > > > > > For what little it maybe worth to you, I tried this very thing several weeks ago and finally gave up on it and used a different, more standards-compliant DHCP server (*ISC DHCPd version 3.0*. to be exact). The Microsoft DHCP server just wouldn't communicate properly with the thin clients. The transition was very simple, and I simply disabled the existing scope in my Windows box. I know it's not the answer you were looking for. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "If all men knew what others say of them, there would not be four friends in the world." -- Blaise Pascal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Aug 18 14:34:29 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:34:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Odd Lockups with K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: <41236586.7010806@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41236586.7010806@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: Hi all Our Glenburn Technology Academy is in it's 2nd day and the teachers are doing great! I have one question (well one in this email) that is bothering us. I am getting lockups on clients. Now usually we can do a ps -u username and see what processes are open, and often we have to do a kill to get the user rebooted. But, this week, since the 4.0.1 we are getting more times where a machine locks up and I do a ps -u username and it shows nothing. Just the user is not logged on. I would think that if a machine locks up it would show orphan processes. any ideas what is happening and/or what we are doing wrong. We also find that if this happens once to a user, it may happen more often then. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Aug 18 14:45:40 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:45:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SWM 4.1 Message-ID: <1092840340.9990.35.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Hi, everyone. I just wanted to make a quick post to let anyone who is interested know that in the tradition that all good releases come in threes, the Symbiont Workstation Manager 4.1 was just released yesterday. I want to thank all of the hard working people who helped on this project, many of whom (if not all) are on this listserv. :) Also, a huge shout out to Jim, Eric, and the rest of the K12LTSP and LTSP teams for their continuous achievements. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, the Symbiont Workstation Manager is a project that I coordinate that tries to simplify the administration of an LTSP network. It is a part of a larger suite of tools that we are developing called The Symbiont Management Suite. The goal of our software is not to be just an lts.conf editor, since frankly there is already a Webmin module for that, created by some really talented people on this list. Our software edits all of the various files that require editing when changes are made. It also attempts to organize the ever growing list of configuration parameters into a coherent manageable group, with simple choices that make it easy for administrators from newbies to veterans. On top of that, our software wants to tackle higher-level issues that *shouldn't* be built into LTSP, such as configuring multiple servers from a centralized interface, and helping resolve common config problems more easily (no more "What do I do when I get the grey screen with the X"?) The Management Suite adds tools to manage users on the system, as well as add-ons for particular environments (i-cafes, etc), and above all support (since we have to feed our children somehow...) Anyhow, I promised myself, I'd try to be short and sweet, so I'll stop talking. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to drop me a line directly. And, once again, a round of beer to everyone! The world is going diskless... Cheers, -Gideon -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From brockn at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 14:49:03 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:49:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client Screen goes to terminal with message unexpectedly In-Reply-To: <4122E7A9.3010603@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <741dcbb8040817113435ab3a32@mail.gmail.com> <4122E7A9.3010603@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <741dcbb80408180749186cee07@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the suggestion. I figured it out in bed last night. The computer has bios power mangement and was going to sleep. I disabled that and it worked. Wierd! Brock On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:22:49 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Brock Noland wrote: > > >I am running k12 LSTP. I have one server and one client. (for now) On > >the client every 15 minutes or so X goes away and I get what appears > >to be a terminal interface (i cannot type though) and it has the > >following message. > > > > > How much RAM does this thin client have? You might want to enable swap > over NFS in your lts.conf file. > > -Jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- [Start Signature] My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence http://trochim.human.cornell.edu/gallery/young/emotion.htm#what%20is%20EI In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Wed Aug 18 15:29:33 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:29:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <000201c48527$9513ad50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c48527$9513ad50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:30:52 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> There are some attempts at real time scanning >> like http://dazuko.org/ that work with clam >> and others, but it still sounds pretty experimental >> and likely to cause more trouble than it prevents. > > Yeah, I tried dazuko and didn't have much luck. Everything said use at > your own risk so I did. It didn't crash the system or anything but I > had no problem uploading viruses to the server. I don't really have a > problem running ClamAV nightly or anything but real time would just be > better. The main reason for virus protection on this campus is that > most of the machines are still Mac and Windows. So I want a system for > real time protection with them. I am not worried about viruses on the > Linux machines yet but just wanted to be sure no one is telling people > that anti-virus is not needed on Linux because they don't exist (like I > have been saying until about 2 days ago). > If you don't have a periodic (daily or the like) update task, you will get the most common of virus-like events in Linux/Unix systems: worms, especially those called rootkits. So both have your system updated and run an antivirus like ClamAV. I would recommend to run a software like tripwire. Mario Guerra -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 18 15:38:32 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:38:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040816.F3f.47839300@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <001501c48539$6b14c590$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Whats the output of > netstat -nr > ifconfig Attached is a screenshot with the results of the above commands. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 18 17:53:47 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Printing using Samba Message-ID: <2142083.1092851627875.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> I have a laser printer on my Linux Server which is using K12lsstp 4.0.1 Fedora core. I have a computer that is running Windows XP PRO that I need to have use the laser printer. I have 2 questions: 1. How do I correctly set up the K12ltsp servers Samba and Cups so that the Windows XP machine can find it and the printer? 2. How do I or What do I need to do in the Windows machine for it to be able to identify the printer on the K12ltsp server? Thanks Pat From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 18 17:53:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:53:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing using Samba In-Reply-To: <2142083.1092851627875.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> References: <2142083.1092851627875.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> Message-ID: <4123978C.4020507@paasda.org> this is what I have... [printers] comment = All Printers path = /var/spool/samba printable = Yes browseable = No for the [printers] section of my smb.conf.... this shares all printers....and in winXP i just browse the workgroup and double click on the printer in my LTSP server and it automagically starts the add printer wizard thing =) --Huck jconlon1 wrote: >I have a laser printer on my Linux Server which is using K12lsstp 4.0.1 >Fedora core. I have a computer that is running Windows XP PRO that I need >to have use the laser printer. I have 2 questions: >1. How do I correctly set up the K12ltsp servers Samba and Cups so that the >Windows XP machine can find it and the printer? >2. How do I or What do I need to do in the Windows machine for it to be able >to identify the printer on the K12ltsp server? >Thanks >Pat > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 18 18:03:07 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:03:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Username conversion script Message-ID: <412399DB.2030605@paasda.org> As I just found that Webmin has the nifty module to add a plethora of users via a text file with the 13 fields... I'm modifying my python script to merely take a textfile with each user's full name 'firstname lastname' on a newline to output my username format of 1st 4 letters of the lastname + 1st 2 letters of the first name... so John Smith == smitjo then you can just get a text file from your registrar and choose your 'username format' and create the file to upload to Webmin to create your hundreds of users *snap* that fast =) If any would like this python script let me know! hand typing 200+ usernames became too much for me last year! Automation is lovely! It is fairly trivial to adjust the naming convention from 1st 4 of lastname + 1st 2 of firstname to 1st 1 of firstname + full lastname i.e. John Smith == jsmith Although the script does not check for duplicate names...you'll need to decide how you deal with that. I just add a number =) --Huck From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 18 19:28:52 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:28:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Username conversion script In-Reply-To: <412399DB.2030605@paasda.org> Message-ID: <003101c48559$98383320$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > If any would like this python script let me know! > hand typing 200+ usernames became too much for me last year! > Automation > is lovely! I would love a copy of it or a link to where to get it. Sounds cool, I'd like to take a look at it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From lug at phxlinux.org Wed Aug 18 20:01:10 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:01:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1092859270.4123b58661adb@neon.netpro.to> Quoting Bob Robnett : > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Matt Alexander > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:09 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server > > > > > The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We > have > a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. > Does > anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server > for > Linux thin-clients? > Thanks, > ~Matt > > > Matt- > I think that all you have to do is disable the DHCP daemon in the Linux > server box and make sure that the range of addresses for clients matches the > ip range on the DHCP server. The Linux box will default to a private range > starting at .100 if I remember right. Your range may be different, so you > would have to change the range on the Linux box. I don't think the Linux box > cares where the client gets its address... It has been a couple of years > since I played with it, but I had a K12LTSP box serving in an evironment > serviced by a NT 4 DHCP server-no problems. Getting an IP address is not a problem. It also needs the tftp path, NFS root server, etc. ~Matt From brockn at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 20:03:49 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:03:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Public School looks to setup LTSP and use radius for central authentication. Message-ID: <741dcbb8040818130375a0daa7@mail.gmail.com> NOTE: I am not sure of the differences between radius and ldap. Hello I work for the University of Minnesota - Housing and we (not me) have a x500 server that I can only connect to via radius. I am working to setup all of our ldaps as linux dumb terminals running a WM that looks like windows. Right now I am working on a single test lab. I have K12LTSP installed and it works GREAT. The only problem is i have no idea how to use the radius authentication. I would like to create a temporary guest account on authentication and then remove it on logout. Does anyone have any ideas, howtos, or general suggestions? Brock From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Wed Aug 18 20:22:22 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:22:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp intro/screenshots Message-ID: <20040718152222.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I am wanting to use K12LTSP in a smaller lab for use with homeless adults. I need some help explaining to the social worker how K12LTSP works and what it looks like. Can anyone point me toward a resource for an intro to K12LTSP presentation that would include some screenshots? I want her to be able to hear from outside sources that there are benefits to using K12LTSP. I also want to alleviate her concerns that having the men learn to use linux is pointless and less usable than learning windows basics. TIA for any help! -john smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Aug 18 20:24:52 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:24:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> References: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> Message-ID: <4123BB14.5030508@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Matt Alexander wrote: > > The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We have > a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. Does > anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server for > Linux thin-clients? > Thanks, > ~Matt > > well for starters you'll need a linux terminal server before you can use the linux thin clients! then you just tell the terminal server to get it's external IP from the Win2K DHCP server, and you let the linux server assign internal IP addresses on it's own for your thin-clients. make sure that you configure your linux box to use rdesktop to use your windows apps on your windows server (but here is a topic i have no experience about, just google through these archives - tons of info here and on the wiki). > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Aug 18 20:32:35 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:32:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Public School looks to setup LTSP and use radius for central authentication. In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8040818130375a0daa7@mail.gmail.com> References: <741dcbb8040818130375a0daa7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1092861155.3645.45.camel@penguin> I've just been reading through the book "RADIUS" by Hassell publiched by O'Reilly and have found it very useful. You might want to look into Xsupplicant. There's been a lot of talk of using that to authenticate to Wireless LANs that are using RADIUS. It might be just the ticket for you. JSR/ On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 16:03, Brock Noland wrote: > NOTE: I am not sure of the differences between radius and ldap. > > Hello I work for the University of Minnesota - Housing and we (not me) > have a x500 server that I can only connect to via radius. I am working > to setup all of our ldaps as linux dumb terminals running a WM that > looks like windows. Right now I am working on a single test lab. > > I have K12LTSP installed and it works GREAT. The only problem is i > have no idea how to use the radius authentication. I would like to > create a temporary guest account on authentication and then remove it > on logout. > > Does anyone have any ideas, howtos, or general suggestions? > > Brock > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Aug 18 20:41:19 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:41:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy access & k12ltsp 4.1 Message-ID: <20040818204119.RARC24351.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Got it to work, just had to un comment the lts.conf line: RCFILE_01 = floppyd One problem. This works fine for one floppy disc. However, when I eject the disc and try another one, I get permissions errors. I don't see where to unmount or re-mount this using the floppy access program from the desktop. Any ideas? Luis From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Aug 18 21:13:40 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:13:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20040818144927.3306C739E5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040818144927.3306C739E5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4123C684.6010202@saskforestcentre.ca> I have a setup like this working now. It's not particularly hard. You need to add in the statements that come in the dhcpd.conf on the k12ltsp box into the dhcp server on Win2k. It took a few minutes, but nothing particularly hard. I have it serving those DHCP statements to all comers, so any machine with a PXE BIOS can pick it up. If you're stuck, give me a shout. One day, I may post to the wiki, but I didn't find it terribly difficult, so I hadn't thought it was hard. I guess I lucked out, so maybe I will wikify it. Angus Carr. k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 4 > >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:03:37 -0400 >From: Josiah Ritchie >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <1092837817.3794.40.camel at penguin> >Content-Type: text/plain > >On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 19:08, Matt Alexander wrote: > > >>The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We have >>a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. Does >>anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server for >>Linux thin-clients? >> >> > >There were some talk about making some, but I don't know if it actually >happened. Have you checked the wiki? > >JSR/ > > > > > > > > From steve at hargadon.com Wed Aug 18 21:17:34 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (steve at hargadon.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:17:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp intro/screenshots Message-ID: <410-220048318211734447@M2W103.mail2web.com> John: I'm going to be at the Noncommercial Computer Refurbishers Summit in Chicago on September 17 and 18. I'm setting up a K12LTSP 10-user network for use by the participants for email checking and web surfing, and then I have a 90-minute demo lab where I am installing LTSP. Information on the conference is at http://www.pcsforschools.org/ncrs/index.html. I will be setting up the lab for the conference on the 16th, but would also be willing to come to Chicago a day early (the 15th) and demonstrate K12LTSP to anyone on the board at the homeless shelter--in return for a night at a hotel somewhere close and a chance to brainstorm this idea! I was on the board of a local homeless shelter here, and have had the same thought of helping install K12LTSP in homeless shelters, or battered-women's shelters, etc. Would love to be a part of that effort. With regard to the issues of learning Linux, there is plenty of material on the web related to this, but do check out http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7418. Also, look at the information on Brazil's telecenters in Sao Paulo, where they server some 400,000 of the city's poorest with a version of LTSP. Steve Hargadon www.PCs4Schools.com 916-652-8600, ext. 711 Original Message: ----------------- From: John A. Smith jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:22:22 -0500 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp intro/screenshots I am wanting to use K12LTSP in a smaller lab for use with homeless adults. I need some help explaining to the social worker how K12LTSP works and what it looks like. Can anyone point me toward a resource for an intro to K12LTSP presentation that would include some screenshots? I want her to be able to hear from outside sources that there are benefits to using K12LTSP. I also want to alleviate her concerns that having the men learn to use linux is pointless and less usable than learning windows basics. TIA for any help! -john smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 18 21:30:47 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:30:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Optical-wheel mouse to work on com1? In-Reply-To: <412358FE.6050803@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <412358FE.6050803@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <4123CA87.6010109@maltzen.net> What kind of adapter are you using to connect the mouse to the serial port? A few years ago I found that 1) the PS2-to-DB9 adapter that comes with the mouse is usually proprietary to that mouse--in other words, the adapter from a Logitech mouse won't work with the adapter from a Microsoft mouse; 2) on old machines, the cable from the on-board serial connector to the DB9 port on the back of the machine could come in at least two different configurations, and they weren't interchangeable. Some cables had the connectors wired this way: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 and others were 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 9 5 10 None of which helps you. Have you verified that the using the mouse via the serial port works on a regular (fat) machine? Petre Guy Lessard wrote: > Has anyone gotten a optical wheel mouse (ps2 or usb) to work on the > serial port (thats all i got on P75)? > I tried using Microsoft and IMPS2 protocols and keeping the port on > ttyS0 but no response. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 18 22:11:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:11:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Username conversion script In-Reply-To: <003101c48559$98383320$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003101c48559$98383320$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4123D410.2030406@paasda.org> #start of script import string #wanted menu to be able to use '1 letter hotkeys' but I'm not THAT advanced yet! a !=4 || !=x might work..but haven't had time to fiddle def print_menu(): print '1. Press 1 to (i)mport the namelist.txt file' print '2. Press 2 to (g)enerate usernames' print '3. Press 3 to (p)rint new usernames.txt file' print '4. Press 4 to E(x)it the Program' numbers = {} menu_choice = 0 print_menu() while menu_choice != 4: menu_choice = input("Type in a number (1-4):") if menu_choice == 1: #Open the file "usernames.txt" a textfile with your user's FIRSTNAME LASTNAME on newlines in_file = open("c:\\usernames.txt","r") #variable "textfile" gets filled with info from usernames.txt textfile = in_file.readlines() #Close the file "usernames.txt" in_file.close() elif menu_choice == 2: #The Loopy Loopy namenum = 0 out_file = open("c:\\usernameswebmin.txt","w") print namenum while namenum < len(textfile): #Manipulate the namelist into pieces we can handle mystring = textfile[namenum] newlist = mystring.split() fname = newlist[0] lname = newlist[1] fname = fname[:2] lname = lname[:4] #Concatenate and Write to File #create:USERNAME:PASSWD::::/home/username:/bin/bash::::: format for webmin module out_file.write("create:"+lname+fname+":"+lname+fname+"::::/home/"+lname+fname+":/bin/bash:::::\n") print lname+fname+" has been written to file." #Great lets increment and show where we are in the array namenum = namenum+1 print namenum #We're all done so lets close the file! out_file.close() namenum = 0 elif menu_choice == 3: #Gimme some output baby! Lets see what we've added in_file = open("c:\\usernameswebmin.txt","r") funkytext = in_file.readlines() in_file.close() print funkytext elif menu_choice == 4: pass else: print_menu() print "Goodbye!" #end of script Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>If any would like this python script let me know! >>hand typing 200+ usernames became too much for me last year! >>Automation >>is lovely! >> >> > >I would love a copy of it or a link to where to get it. Sounds cool, >I'd like to take a look at it. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From usernamenumber at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 22:40:17 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:40:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (still) setting up powermac G3 as ltsp client: unable to open an initial console Message-ID: I've been trying to get an ancient PowerMac G3 up as a k12ltsp client. The problem is its scant 32M of memory (did I just call 32m of ram "scant"? Yeesh....) is not enough to install yellowdog. Every attempt has run into some kind of problem, usually an "out of memory" error. So I've been trying another approach and seem to be making some progress. I've just been booting the kernel with these arguments: nfsaddrs=192.168.0.1 nfsroot=192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc/ This has seemed to work ok, at least at first. According to the logs on my server the client does indeed mount /opt/ltsp/ppc/. However, after that the client says Warning: unable to open initial console and stops there. I've tweaked the lts.conf file to, for example, boot into runlevel 3 instead of 5 but to no avail. I've attached my lts.conf in case it yeilds any clues. I feel like perhaps I'm close to getting this to work but just don't understand the ltsp internals well enough yet to make the next connection I need to make. If anyone has suggestions I would gladly welcome them. Thanks! --Brad -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lts.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2904 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Aug 18 22:34:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:34:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server Message-ID: <200408182242.i7IMgeD08905@downeast.net> matt read bhaskar mandas article on alternate dhcp onltsp.org contribds (i think)..be sure to note padding with 000 by win2k dhcp...i have used w2kdhcp to start mcaintosh clients to linux terminal services > Quoting Bob Robnett : > >be sure to read section on padding /opt/ltsp/i386 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of Matt Alexander > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:09 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server > > > > > > > > > > The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We > > have > > a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. > > Does > > anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server > > for > > Linux thin-clients? > > Thanks, > > ~Matt > > > > > > Matt- > > I think that all you have to do is disable the DHCP daemon in the Linux > > server box and make sure that the range of addresses for clients matches the > > ip range on the DHCP server. The Linux box will default to a private range > > starting at .100 if I remember right. Your range may be different, so you > > would have to change the range on the Linux box. I don't think the Linux box > > cares where the client gets its address... It has been a couple of years > > since I played with it, but I had a K12LTSP box serving in an evironment > > serviced by a NT 4 DHCP server-no problems. > > Getting an IP address is not a problem. It also needs the tftp path, NFS root > server, etc. > ~Matt > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at telus.net Thu Aug 19 05:40:44 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:40:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Programs for all users using wine In-Reply-To: <003401c4846e$76e51490$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <003401c4846e$76e51490$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <41243D5C.4080007@telus.net> I have the same problem. I don't think there is a work around. Linux apps know each user gets their own home folder. So they stick personal setting files for each app in /home/jsmith . Window apps under wine know nothing about this structure. Wine sets up a fake C: drive in your home folder for the app to install. So I had to install it to every user. It's a pain I know. Even if you installed to a public directory with read only access most windows programs require write access to save settings. M$ Window apps are not written for linux servers. Robert Krsnendu wrote: >How do I install programs so they are available to to all users. >I have installed Reader Rabbit as root using wine and it works fine on >the server. >How do give access to the other users on the system? I don't want to >have to install again for each user. > > > From robark at telus.net Thu Aug 19 05:46:31 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:46:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 DHCP servers In-Reply-To: References: <200408161831.39332.lsrpm@mts.net> <200408162236.31198.lsrpm@mts.net> <1092730744.2477.86.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41243EB7.504@telus.net> I asked this exact question a few month ago. Do a search of this list for my name on about april or may of this year. You will find at least 3 solutions. Robert Arkiletian Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > as I'm in a hurry, can anyone point me to a good place to start, if > you're having yet a windoze DHCP server running on the network, and > like to run the K12LTSP server with DHCP on that same network? > > 2 subnets or? > > Thnx > > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From I.Derks at translucent.nl Thu Aug 19 07:30:57 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:30:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients Message-ID: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I wonder if anybody has already some experience with remotely powering down/up of APCI capable thin clients. What do you need to enable this? We have 60 Netier 1000XL on a site, and could save the librarian a lot of work by getting this feature working. Kind regards, Immanuel Derks From faengoy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 07:42:23 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenLDAP, again In-Reply-To: <20040819054110.4B56D73495@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040819074223.68219.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com> OK, the k12ltsp.org site appears unreachable by me, so I can't look at the HowTo that I know is on the site, and googling gives me answers that aren't relavent to me. I have a computer which has been K12LTSP for a couple fo years and seen many upgrades. Right now, it's running FC3Beta1. The computer also serves web pages across my ADSL via dyndns.org. OpenLDAP and all the deps are installed, but I can't seem to get it all working. What I need is really simple: unified logon and address info for sessions and several web apps that are installed and LDAP enabled. I don't need (or want) any other machines authenticating from this one, just the clients (which have X on the server) and the web apps (also on this server). Here are my .conf files: /etc/openldap/slapd.conf # # See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options. # This file should NOT be world readable. # include /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema # Allow LDAPv2 client connections. This is NOT the default. allow bind_v2 # Do not enable referrals until AFTER you have a working directory # service AND an understanding of referrals. #referral ldap://root.openldap.org pidfile /var/run/slapd.pid argsfile /var/run/slapd.args # Load dynamic backend modules: # modulepath /usr/sbin/openldap # moduleload back_bdb.la # moduleload back_ldap.la # moduleload back_ldbm.la # moduleload back_passwd.la # moduleload back_shell.la # The next three lines allow use of TLS for encrypting connections using a # dummy test certificate which you can generate by changing to # /usr/share/ssl/certs, running "make slapd.pem", and fixing permissions on # slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it. Your client software # may balk at self-signed certificates, however. # TLSCACertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt # TLSCertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem # TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem # Sample security restrictions # Require integrity protection (prevent hijacking) # Require 112-bit (3DES or better) encryption for updates # Require 63-bit encryption for simple bind # security ssf=1 update_ssf=112 simple_bind=64 # Sample access control policy: # Root DSE: allow anyone to read it # Subschema (sub)entry DSE: allow anyone to read it # Other DSEs: # Allow self write access # Allow authenticated users read access # Allow anonymous users to authenticate # Directives needed to implement policy: # access to dn.base="" by * read # access to dn.base="cn=Subschema" by * read # access to * # by self write # by users read # by anonymous auth # # if no access controls are present, the default policy # allows anyone and everyone to read anything but restricts # updates to rootdn. (e.g., "access to * by * read") # # rootdn can always read and write EVERYTHING! ####################################################################### # ldbm and/or bdb database definitions ####################################################################### database bdb suffix "dc=uncledans, dc=is-a-geek, dc=com" rootdn "cn=manager,dc=uncledans, dc=is-a-geek, dc=com" # Cleartext passwords, especially for the rootdn, should # be avoided. See slappasswd(8) and slapd.conf(5) for details. # Use of strong authentication encouraged. # rootpw secret rootpw {SSHA}XaEU0YcjeBJXViDSLfwTU8z7T/WUA3Sm # The database directory MUST exist prior to running slapd AND # should only be accessible by the slapd and slap tools. # Mode 700 recommended. directory /var/lib/ldap # Indices to maintain for this database index objectClass eq,pres index ou,cn,mail,surname,givenname eq,pres,sub index uidNumber,gidNumber,loginShell eq,pres index uid,memberUid eq,pres,sub index nisMapName,nisMapEntry eq,pres,sub # Replicas of this database #replogfile /var/lib/ldap/openldap-master-replog #replica host=ldap-1.example.com:389 starttls=critical # bindmethod=sasl saslmech=GSSAPI # authcId=host/ldap-master.example.com at EXAMPLE.COM /etc/ldap.conf # @(#)$Id: ldap.conf,v 1.24 2001/09/20 14:12:26 lukeh Exp $ # # This is the configuration file for the LDAP nameservice # switch library and the LDAP PAM module. # # PADL Software # http://www.padl.com # # Your LDAP server. Must be resolvable without using LDAP. host 127.0.0.1 # The distinguished name of the search base. base dc=localhost,dc=localdomain # Another way to specify your LDAP server is to provide an # uri with the server name. This allows to use # Unix Domain Sockets to connect to a local LDAP Server. #uri ldap://127.0.0.1/ #uri ldaps://127.0.0.1/ #uri ldapi://%2fvar%2frun%2fldapi_sock/ # Note: %2f encodes the '/' used as directory separator # The LDAP version to use (defaults to 3 # if supported by client library) #ldap_version 3 # The distinguished name to bind to the server with. # Optional: default is to bind anonymously. #binddn cn=proxyuser,dc=example,dc=com # The credentials to bind with. # Optional: default is no credential. #bindpw secret # The distinguished name to bind to the server with # if the effective user ID is root. Password is # stored in /etc/ldap.secret (mode 600) #rootbinddn cn=manager,dc=example,dc=com # The port. # Optional: default is 389. #port 389 # The search scope. #scope sub #scope one #scope base # Search timelimit #timelimit 30 # Bind timelimit #bind_timelimit 30 # Idle timelimit; client will close connections # (nss_ldap only) if the server has not been contacted # for the number of seconds specified below. #idle_timelimit 3600 # Filter to AND with uid=%s #pam_filter objectclass=account # The user ID attribute (defaults to uid) #pam_login_attribute uid # Search the root DSE for the password policy (works # with Netscape Directory Server) #pam_lookup_policy yes # Check the 'host' attribute for access control # Default is no; if set to yes, and user has no # value for the host attribute, and pam_ldap is # configured for account management (authorization) # then the user will not be allowed to login. #pam_check_host_attr yes # Group to enforce membership of #pam_groupdn cn=PAM,ou=Groups,dc=example,dc=com # Group member attribute #pam_member_attribute uniquemember # Specify a minium or maximum UID number allowed #pam_min_uid 0 #pam_max_uid 0 # Template login attribute, default template user # (can be overriden by value of former attribute # in user's entry) #pam_login_attribute userPrincipalName #pam_template_login_attribute uid #pam_template_login nobody # HEADS UP: the pam_crypt, pam_nds_passwd, # and pam_ad_passwd options are no # longer supported. # Do not hash the password at all; presume # the directory server will do it, if # necessary. This is the default. #pam_password clear # Hash password locally; required for University of # Michigan LDAP server, and works with Netscape # Directory Server if you're using the UNIX-Crypt # hash mechanism and not using the NT Synchronization # service. #pam_password crypt # Remove old password first, then update in # cleartext. Necessary for use with Novell # Directory Services (NDS) #pam_password nds # Update Active Directory password, by # creating Unicode password and updating # unicodePwd attribute. #pam_password ad # Use the OpenLDAP password change # extended operation to update the password. #pam_password exop # RFC2307bis naming contexts # Syntax: # nss_base_XXX base?scope?filter # where scope is {base,one,sub} # and filter is a filter to be &'d with the # default filter. # You can omit the suffix eg: # nss_base_passwd ou=People, # to append the default base DN but this # may incur a small performance impact. #nss_base_passwd ou=People,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_shadow ou=People,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_group ou=Group,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_hosts ou=Hosts,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_services ou=Services,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_networks ou=Networks,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_protocols ou=Protocols,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_rpc ou=Rpc,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_ethers ou=Ethers,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_netmasks ou=Networks,dc=example,dc=com?ne #nss_base_bootparams ou=Ethers,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_aliases ou=Aliases,dc=example,dc=com?one #nss_base_netgroup ou=Netgroup,dc=example,dc=com?one # attribute/objectclass mapping # Syntax: #nss_map_attribute rfc2307attribute mapped_attribute #nss_map_objectclass rfc2307objectclass mapped_objectclass # configure --enable-nds is no longer supported. # For NDS now do: #nss_map_attribute uniqueMember member # configure --enable-mssfu-schema is no longer supported. # For MSSFU now do: #nss_map_objectclass posixAccount User #nss_map_attribute uid msSFUName #nss_map_attribute uniqueMember posixMember #nss_map_attribute userPassword msSFUPassword #nss_map_attribute homeDirectory msSFUHomeDirectory #nss_map_objectclass posixGroup Group #pam_login_attribute msSFUName #pam_filter objectclass=User #pam_password ad # configure --enable-authpassword is no longer supported # For authPassword support, now do: #nss_map_attribute userPassword authPassword #pam_password nds # For IBM SecureWay support, do: #nss_map_objectclass posixAccount aixAccount #nss_map_attribute uid userName #nss_map_attribute gidNumber gid #nss_map_attribute uidNumber uid #nss_map_attribute userPassword passwordChar #nss_map_objectclass posixGroup aixAccessGroup #nss_map_attribute cn groupName #nss_map_attribute uniqueMember member #pam_login_attribute userName #pam_filter objectclass=aixAccount #pam_password clear # Netscape SDK LDAPS #ssl on # Netscape SDK SSL options #sslpath /etc/ssl/certs/cert7.db # OpenLDAP SSL mechanism # start_tls mechanism uses the normal LDAP port, LDAPS typically 636 #ssl start_tls #ssl on # OpenLDAP SSL options # Require and verify server certificate (yes/no) # Default is "no" #tls_checkpeer yes # CA certificates for server certificate verification # At least one of these are required if tls_checkpeer is "yes" #tls_cacertfile /etc/ssl/ca.cert #tls_cacertdir /etc/ssl/certs # SSL cipher suite # See man ciphers for syntax #tls_ciphers TLSv1 # Client certificate and key # Use these, if your server requires client authentication. #tls_cert #tls_key ssl start_tls pam_password md5 I have tried the files with both these host settings and with dc=localhost,dc=localdomain here is a look at my seesion to migrate: [root at master /]# service ldap restart Stopping slapd: [FAILED] Checking configuration files for slapd: config file testing succeeded Starting slapd: [ OK ] but I keep getting the error: ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) Thanks in advance Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Aug 19 10:55:18 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:55:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] open office Message-ID: <41248716.8000505@msln.net> For an upgrade install of open office, which is the way to go. Unistall the old version and install the new one as a local install in the /usr/local dir. Same as that one only use the Linux ./install file for a network install. Leave the old version in and upgrade it with the new version as a local install. Or upgrade to a network install over the existing install. I unistalled the old version and installed the new version as network. When I did that, the existing files lost thier asssociation with the old OO, but did not pickup on the new install. So when accessing from nautilus it errors out and says no available viewer. But if I open OO and choose file-open, it works fine. I know I need to re associate the files, but 1 at a time would take quite a while. Is there a way to do a mass association of the documents? Thanks. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Aug 19 11:27:25 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:27:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] open office In-Reply-To: <41248716.8000505@msln.net> References: <41248716.8000505@msln.net> Message-ID: <41248E9D.1040407@msln.net> As it usually happens, I posted and then figured it out. If I right click the file in Nautilus, open w/app, then do a blanket ms default for word docs, it associates all of the documents. Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > For an upgrade install of open office, which is the way to go. > Unistall the old version and install the new one as a local install in > the /usr/local dir. Same as that one only use the Linux ./install file > for a network install. Leave the old version in and upgrade it with > the new version as a local install. Or upgrade to a network install > over the existing install. I unistalled the old version and installed > the new version as network. When I did that, the existing files lost > thier asssociation with the old OO, but did not pickup on the new > install. So when accessing from nautilus it errors out and says no > available viewer. But if I open OO and choose file-open, it works > fine. I know I need to re associate the files, but 1 at a time would > take quite a while. Is there a way to do a mass association of the > documents? > Thanks. > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Thu Aug 19 13:51:04 2004 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:51:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: IP change & SSL breaks? Message-ID: <4124B048.1000909@mtwp.k12.pa.us> I know this is off topic, but I'm hoping someone out there has a quick fix... We are re-IP'ing our entire network. We changed the address of a webserver (Apache 1.x) and the associated DNS records (the IP address is not specifically stated in httpd.conf). After that change, the webserver hands out pages via http, but not via https. The errors vary between browsers - Mozilla says the connection terminated unexpectedly; IE says the page cannot be found. Why did an IP change break the secure pages? Thanks in advance for any insight! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Thu Aug 19 14:18:01 2004 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:18:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: IP change & SSL breaks? In-Reply-To: <4124B048.1000909@mtwp.k12.pa.us> References: <4124B048.1000909@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: <4124B699.9070903@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Nevermind.... When I added the new address to the box, I also added it to the /etc/hosts file. Apparently, SSL looks at the hosts file and found the old address (which no longer matched DNS) before the new address. Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > I know this is off topic, but I'm hoping someone out there has a quick > fix... > > We are re-IP'ing our entire network. We changed the address of a > webserver (Apache 1.x) and the associated DNS records (the IP address is > not specifically stated in httpd.conf). After that change, the webserver > hands out pages via http, but not via https. The errors vary between > browsers - Mozilla says the connection terminated unexpectedly; IE says > the page cannot be found. > > Why did an IP change break the secure pages? > > Thanks in advance for any insight! > Mike > _________________________________ > Mike Lichtenwalner > Technology Specialist > Manheim Township School District > Lancaster, PA > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Thu Aug 19 15:24:57 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:24:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Optical-wheel mouse to work on com1? In-Reply-To: <4123CA87.6010109@maltzen.net> References: <412358FE.6050803@coll-outao.qc.ca> <4123CA87.6010109@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4124C649.8070109@coll-outao.qc.ca> The technicien gave me a short moulded plastic DB-9 to PS2 adapter but no guaranty that they were from the same company as the mouse. I tried with the adapter: a taiwan-special (no-name) ps2 optical wheel mouse, a true Microsoft Intellimouse (ps2), and a generic two button ps2 mouse, of course none worked. As for the com port on the computers, it is being used by old Microsoft serial mouse with success but they are so worn they behave erratically. I will ask the technician to grab me a variaty of db9-ps2 adapters. Thanks. Petre Scheie wrote: > What kind of adapter are you using to connect the mouse to the serial > port? A few years ago I found that 1) the PS2-to-DB9 adapter that > comes with the mouse is usually proprietary to that mouse--in other > words, the adapter from a Logitech mouse won't work with the adapter > from a Microsoft mouse; 2) on old machines, the cable from the > on-board serial connector to the DB9 port on the back of the machine > could come in at least two different configurations, and they weren't > interchangeable. Some cables had the connectors wired this way: > > 1 2 > 3 4 > 5 6 > 7 8 > 9 10 > > and others were > 1 6 > 2 7 > 3 8 > 4 9 > 5 10 > > None of which helps you. Have you verified that the using the mouse > via the serial port works on a regular (fat) machine? > > Petre > > Guy Lessard wrote: > >> Has anyone gotten a optical wheel mouse (ps2 or usb) to work on the >> serial port (thats all i got on P75)? >> I tried using Microsoft and IMPS2 protocols and keeping the port on >> ttyS0 but no response. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rfreidel at computergeex.com Thu Aug 19 17:02:32 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com ( Ron Freidel ) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:02:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 Message-ID: <4682004841917232890@computergeex.com> Whats the output of netstat -nr ifconfig It sounds like a routing problem. Jimmy Schwankl (schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us) wrote: > > Various people wrote: -- Ron Freidel http://leroy.homeunix.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lug at phxlinux.org Thu Aug 19 18:21:14 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:21:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: <200408182242.i7IMgeD08905@downeast.net> References: <200408182242.i7IMgeD08905@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1092939674.4124ef9a6de01@neon.netpro.to> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > matt read bhaskar mandas article on alternate dhcp onltsp.org contribds (i > think)..be sure to note padding with 000 by win2k dhcp...i have used > w2kdhcp to start mcaintosh clients to linux terminal services Do you have a link? I haven't been able to find the article on the ltsp.org site. Thanks, ~Matt From lug at phxlinux.org Thu Aug 19 18:24:05 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:24:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: <1092837817.3794.40.camel@penguin> References: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> <1092837817.3794.40.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1092939845.4124f045d94a5@neon.netpro.to> Quoting Josiah Ritchie : > On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 19:08, Matt Alexander wrote: > > The company I work for is very interested in using Linux thin-clients. We > have > > a Win2K DHCP server that is not going to go away any time soon, however. > Does > > anyone have step-by-step instructions for configuring a Win2K DHCP server > for > > Linux thin-clients? > > There were some talk about making some, but I don't know if it actually > happened. Have you checked the wiki? Do you have a link to the wiki? From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Aug 19 19:30:02 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:30:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2K DHCP server In-Reply-To: <1092939845.4124f045d94a5@neon.netpro.to> References: <1092784110.41228feec8350@neon.netpro.to> <1092837817.3794.40.camel@penguin> <1092939845.4124f045d94a5@neon.netpro.to> Message-ID: <1092943801.3639.324.camel@penguin> > > There were some talk about making some, but I don't know if it actually > > happened. Have you checked the wiki? > > Do you have a link to the wiki? http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Aug 19 20:02:38 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:02:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq iPag Message-ID: <4125075E.5000802@netscape.net> Hi, I'm trying to use a Compaq iPaq as a thin client. The unit boots, finds the dhcp server & gets an address, DNS & gateway but then gives me an error I don't understand after it tries tftp " PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout" and tail gives me "cannot bind to local socket: Address already in use" Now I know tftp is running & other thin clients work, what have I missed? thks norbert From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Aug 19 20:39:33 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:39:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq iPag Message-ID: <41251005.5000703@netscape.net> OK so I got past that problem, still don't understand why but... (There's a fix from redhat to remove the "-1" in line arg frim the file /etc/xinet.d/tftp conf) But now the system hangs after "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode" any ideas ???? thks norbert Hi, I'm trying to use a Compaq iPaq as a thin client. The unit boots, finds the dhcp server & gets an address, DNS & gateway but then gives me an error I don't understand after it tries tftp " PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout" and tail gives me "cannot bind to local socket: Address already in use" Now I know tftp is running & other thin clients work, what have I missed? thks norbert From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 19 20:58:45 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:58:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <4682004841917232890@computergeex.com> Message-ID: <000a01c4862f$513ddc50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > netstat -nr > ifconfig > > It sounds like a routing problem. Here is the results of the above commands in the attached .png file. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From rfreidel at computergeex.com Thu Aug 19 21:18:33 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:18:33 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 Message-ID: <20040819.omJ.58182900@192.168.10.16> Can you copy and paste the info into your email? The png didn't come through my email virus/spam filtering. Jim Kronebusch (jim at winonacotter.org) wrote: > > > netstat -nr > > ifconfig > > > > It sounds like a routing problem. > > Here is the results of the above commands in the attached .png file. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 > > > -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 19 21:24:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:24:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dd question.. Message-ID: <41251A80.90803@paasda.org> with only a single floppy drive /dev/fd0 how can I do a full disk copy from 1 floppy to another? dd should be able to do it eh? --Huck From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Aug 19 21:34:00 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. Message-ID: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> Hi! At the school district im an admin at there are talks about implementing a large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one big central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 gbit fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be about 50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller schools and locations. I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about the cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the traffic since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and wouldnt want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central server a good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone done this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big sites. Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we dont run any cpu intensive applications. In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just centralize /home and logins? All inputs are appriciated. Cheers! /daniel From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 19 21:40:13 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:40:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dd question.. In-Reply-To: <41251A80.90803@paasda.org> References: <41251A80.90803@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41251E3D.1010706@paasda.org> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/huck/floppy.img then dd if=/home/huck/floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 woo saved my life! Linux disk copy is so superior to windows =) lovely! Happy Huck strikes again! Huck wrote: > with only a single floppy drive /dev/fd0 how can I do a full disk > copy from 1 floppy to another? > dd should be able to do it eh? > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at pandora.be Thu Aug 19 21:41:35 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:41:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve Message-ID: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> Hello, i'm having a very strange resolve problem. When starting up my server using the knoppix cd, i'm having my dns request resolved in about 1 second. But when I do start up K12LTSP it sometimes takes about 20 second before I'm even gettinga response on eth1. I'm using a RTL8139C catd as eth1 Eth0 uses the VIA chip (the fixed ip uses the builtin card very succesfull) Can someone help me out, the academic year will start in a few days so.... Kindly regards, Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From thepiano at pandora.be Thu Aug 19 21:45:19 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:45:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> Forgot to mention: 1.this happens extremly in Mozilla. 2. I can't run a DNS on the server, cause there is one running on the network yet :-) Kevin On 19 Aug 2004, at 23:41, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > i'm having a very strange resolve problem. > When starting up my server using the knoppix cd, i'm having my dns > request resolved in about 1 second. > > But when I do start up K12LTSP it sometimes takes about 20 second > before I'm even gettinga response on eth1. > > I'm using a RTL8139C catd as eth1 > Eth0 uses the VIA chip (the fixed ip uses the builtin card very > succesfull) > > Can someone help me out, the academic year will start in a few days > so.... > > Kindly regards, > > > Kevin Verheyen > IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Aug 19 21:55:02 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:55:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> Message-ID: <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> Hi Daniel, This is an issue that has come up countless times, school boards try to centralise the server in the misguided belief that they willl reduce the amount of maintenance.... (They've been working with M$ for far too long !!!) X-windows is a very "heavy" protocol, make your life simple install local servers in each school & run the client from them. I would put about 25 client per server, have the servers clustered & sit back & relax. good luck norbert daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se wrote: >Hi! > >At the school district im an admin at there are talks about implementing a >large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one >school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one big >central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 gbit >fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be about >50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller schools >and locations. > >I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about the >cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the >same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the traffic >since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really >would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and wouldnt >want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central server a >good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone done >this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? > >Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big sites. >Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we dont >run any cpu intensive applications. > >In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything >instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just >centralize /home and logins? > >All inputs are appriciated. > >Cheers! > >/daniel > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 19 22:03:17 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:03:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> Message-ID: <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> only 25 clients per server? seems a bit on the low side no? --Huck norbert wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > This is an issue that has come up countless times, school boards try > to centralise the server in the misguided belief that they willl > reduce the amount of maintenance.... (They've been working with M$ for > far too long !!!) > X-windows is a very "heavy" protocol, make your life simple install > local servers in each school & run the client from them. I would put > about 25 client per server, have the servers clustered & sit back & > relax. > > good luck > > norbert > > daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> At the school district im an admin at there are talks about >> implementing a >> large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one >> school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one big >> central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 gbit >> fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be about >> 50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller schools >> and locations. >> >> I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about the >> cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the >> same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the >> traffic >> since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really >> would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and >> wouldnt >> want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central server a >> good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone done >> this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? >> >> Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big sites. >> Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we dont >> run any cpu intensive applications. >> >> In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything >> instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just >> centralize /home and logins? >> >> All inputs are appriciated. >> >> Cheers! >> >> /daniel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From accessys at smart.net Thu Aug 19 22:03:30 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Huck wrote: > only 25 clients per server? > seems a bit on the low side no? they always seem to grow, exponentially usually Bob > > --Huck > > norbert wrote: > > > Hi Daniel, > > > > This is an issue that has come up countless times, school boards try > > to centralise the server in the misguided belief that they willl > > reduce the amount of maintenance.... (They've been working with M$ for > > far too long !!!) > > X-windows is a very "heavy" protocol, make your life simple install > > local servers in each school & run the client from them. I would put > > about 25 client per server, have the servers clustered & sit back & > > relax. > > > > good luck > > > > norbert > > > > daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se wrote: > > > >> Hi! > >> > >> At the school district im an admin at there are talks about > >> implementing a > >> large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one > >> school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one big > >> central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 gbit > >> fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be about > >> 50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller schools > >> and locations. > >> > >> I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about the > >> cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the > >> same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the > >> traffic > >> since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really > >> would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and > >> wouldnt > >> want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central server a > >> good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone done > >> this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? > >> > >> Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big sites. > >> Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we dont > >> run any cpu intensive applications. > >> > >> In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything > >> instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just > >> centralize /home and logins? > >> > >> All inputs are appriciated. > >> > >> Cheers! > >> > >> /daniel > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Aug 19 22:08:34 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:08:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> Message-ID: <412524E2.2080809@netscape.net> Hi, OK let me qualify ....... from a costing perspective if you're using stock P-4s with 2 GB of memory it will be difficult to run more than 25 clients. Assuming that a full load of SW is used, i.e. OO, mozilla, gimp, blender, gcompris, etc... However if monies are available for bigger machines with more memory then that's another story...... norbert dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: > only 25 clients per server? > seems a bit on the low side no? > > --Huck > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi Daniel, >> >> This is an issue that has come up countless times, school boards try >> to centralise the server in the misguided belief that they willl >> reduce the amount of maintenance.... (They've been working with M$ >> for far too long !!!) >> X-windows is a very "heavy" protocol, make your life simple install >> local servers in each school & run the client from them. I would put >> about 25 client per server, have the servers clustered & sit back & >> relax. >> >> good luck >> >> norbert >> >> daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> At the school district im an admin at there are talks about >>> implementing a >>> large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one >>> school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one >>> big >>> central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 gbit >>> fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be >>> about >>> 50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller schools >>> and locations. >>> >>> I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about the >>> cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the >>> same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the >>> traffic >>> since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really >>> would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and >>> wouldnt >>> want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central >>> server a >>> good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone >>> done >>> this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? >>> >>> Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big sites. >>> Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we dont >>> run any cpu intensive applications. >>> >>> In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything >>> instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just >>> centralize /home and logins? >>> >>> All inputs are appriciated. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> /daniel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Aug 19 22:23:45 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:23:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <04Aug20.001103cest.87174@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> <04Aug20.001103cest.87174@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <4041.217.211.209.167.1092954225.squirrel@217.211.209.167> Hello Norbert! So, a server handling about 150 clients would be how big? Ofcourse those wouldnt all be running at the same time at full load. The reason i ask is that i would want to be able to do an estimate on just how big of a server it would have to be. I want to have solid ground under my feet and not just my own experience. /cheers! daniel > Hi, > > OK let me qualify ....... from a costing perspective if you're using > stock P-4s with 2 GB of memory it will be difficult to run more than 25 > clients. Assuming that a full load of SW is used, i.e. OO, mozilla, > gimp, blender, gcompris, etc... > However if monies are available for bigger machines with more memory > then that's another story...... > > norbert > > dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: > >> only 25 clients per server? >> seems a bit on the low side no? >> >> --Huck >> >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi Daniel, >>> >>> This is an issue that has come up countless times, school boards try >>> to centralise the server in the misguided belief that they willl >>> reduce the amount of maintenance.... (They've been working with M$ >>> for far too long !!!) >>> X-windows is a very "heavy" protocol, make your life simple install >>> local servers in each school & run the client from them. I would put >>> about 25 client per server, have the servers clustered & sit back & >>> relax. >>> >>> good luck >>> >>> norbert >>> >>> daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> At the school district im an admin at there are talks about >>>> implementing a >>>> large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one >>>> school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one >>>> big >>>> central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 >>>> gbit >>>> fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be >>>> about >>>> 50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller >>>> schools >>>> and locations. >>>> >>>> I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about >>>> the >>>> cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the >>>> same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the >>>> traffic >>>> since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really >>>> would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and >>>> wouldnt >>>> want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central >>>> server a >>>> good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone >>>> done >>>> this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? >>>> >>>> Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big >>>> sites. >>>> Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we >>>> dont >>>> run any cpu intensive applications. >>>> >>>> In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything >>>> instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just >>>> centralize /home and logins? >>>> >>>> All inputs are appriciated. >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> /daniel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Aug 20 00:01:15 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:01:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. Message-ID: <614C5BE5.326CBBA2.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Daniel, The first question is how concurrent sessions do you need ? Then start the "basic math" P-4, 2GB men = 25 concurrent clients with mozilla, OO & graphics dual P-4 4GB approx 50 clients dual P-4 8 GB approx 80 -90 clients These are just rough numbers, we've run 3 clustered servers 1 x P-4 & 2 x P-3 with a total of 4GB for 75 clients. The applications & load (i/o) are determining factors good luck norbert "Daniel Hedblom" wrote: >Hello Norbert! > >So, a server handling about 150 clients would be how big? Ofcourse those >wouldnt all be running at the same time at full load. The reason i ask is >that i would want to be able to do an estimate on just how big of a server >it would have to be. I want to have solid ground under my feet and not >just my own experience. > >/cheers! > >daniel > > >> Hi, >> >> OK let me qualify ....... from a costing perspective if you're using >> stock P-4s with 2 GB of memory it will be difficult to run more than 25 >> clients. Assuming that a full load of SW is used, i.e. OO, mozilla, >> gimp, blender, gcompris, etc... >> However if monies are available for bigger machines with more memory >> then that's another story...... >> >> norbert >> >> dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: >> >>> only 25 clients per server? >>> seems a bit on the low side no? >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> norbert wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Daniel, >>>> >>>> This is an issue that has come up countless times, school boards try >>>> to centralise the server in the misguided belief that they willl >>>> reduce the amount of maintenance.... (They've been working with M$ >>>> for far too long !!!) >>>> X-windows is a very "heavy" protocol, make your life simple install >>>> local servers in each school & run the client from them. I would put >>>> about 25 client per server, have the servers clustered & sit back & >>>> relax. >>>> >>>> good luck >>>> >>>> norbert >>>> >>>> daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> At the school district im an admin at there are talks about >>>>> implementing a >>>>> large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one >>>>> school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one >>>>> big >>>>> central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 >>>>> gbit >>>>> fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be >>>>> about >>>>> 50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller >>>>> schools >>>>> and locations. >>>>> >>>>> I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about >>>>> the >>>>> cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the >>>>> same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the >>>>> traffic >>>>> since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really >>>>> would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and >>>>> wouldnt >>>>> want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central >>>>> server a >>>>> good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone >>>>> done >>>>> this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? >>>>> >>>>> Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big >>>>> sites. >>>>> Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we >>>>> dont >>>>> run any cpu intensive applications. >>>>> >>>>> In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything >>>>> instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just >>>>> centralize /home and logins? >>>>> >>>>> All inputs are appriciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> /daniel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > >-- >------Disclaimer----- >The expressions in this mail are my own. > >Daniel Hedblom >Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 >Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 >Sweden > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Aug 20 00:28:59 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:28:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <4041.217.211.209.167.1092954225.squirrel@217.211.209.167>; from daniel.hedblom@skola.solleftea.se on Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 12:23:45AM +0200 References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> <04Aug20.001103cest.87174@fw01.solleftea.se> <4041.217.211.209.167.1092954225.squirrel@217.211.209.167> Message-ID: <20040819202859.A5196@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 12:23:45AM +0200, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Hello Norbert! > > So, a server handling about 150 clients would be how big? Ofcourse those > wouldnt all be running at the same time at full load. The reason i ask is > that i would want to be able to do an estimate on just how big of a server > it would have to be. I want to have solid ground under my feet and not > just my own experience. Hi Dan. How much do you have the students environment locked down? I have a one installation where we have the the Thin clients(TC) absolutely locked down so they can only run OpenOffice and a browser. For each TC we try to add about 100MB to the server. We want to make sure that swap is not used by the TC's since having to swap memory over an NFS link is really slow and eats network bandwidth. So 150 TC = 100MB * 150 = 15000 MB or 15 GB. Caveat - the more TC's you add to the server, the smaller memory increment they require. This is due to the net gain of shared libraries already resident when many TC's are running the same apps. So, ultimately this very straightforward, linear estimation may cause you to get more memory than you need. Of course if you know in advance how many TC's will be running what apps at the same time you can get a much better estimate of your memory requirements. Now go look up how much more memory costs per GB when you have to buy multi GB sticks. (Pricewatch says 1GB stick is $150 to $247, but they are always low) 2 - 1Gb sticks from HP for the "Proliant" system is $1149 But .. its warranted for life.. (Funny, so is the stuff from Crucial.com thats faster and a tenth of the cost... how strange... ) A 4 Gb stick is $1700.00 -- I see a trend... If your TC's are not locked down and the students have access to the entire set of menus on the desktop then you may need more than 100 MB per TC. (you can process limit them so they can't open umpteen apps at the same time) As for CPU requirements, A 2 GHz , low end CPU can run 10 TC's which aren't too busy. For your system with 1 server, you want a machine with as many SMP CPU on it as you can find. at least four and eight is better, and you want high end CPU's. XEON's or whatever the current hot chip is. Again, you'll pay a premium over the commodity level components. 3 to six times as much. (Low end CPU is $60) High end is ? In addition to being much more expensive, the centralized server architecture is riskier and more problematic than having a server at each location. Its weaknesses are: Single point of failure. If the server goes down, service does not degrade "gracefully", it disintegrates. With multiple servers at least many thin clients(TC) would still be able to function, Increased dependence on unneeded network links. With the server in a remote location from the TC's it is serving rather than at the same location as the TC's it is serving, the risk of a service failure is increased because it is now additionally dependent not only on the server running but also on the network links being intact (think backhoes, manhole fires, automobile/telephone pole accidents etc..) and dependent on the network equipment, (Router, switches etc) running as well. A final vulnerability is the vendor/supplier who is running those comm lines for you. If they have any issues (strikes, software glitches, security compromised), your connections between buildings are affected and you lose service. Another network issue is the plugged pipe problem. This much X-Windowing will generate a huge amount of traffic. OK maybe 1 GB net with smart switches can handle it. But what happens when you add streaming video being accessed by 40 or 50 TC simultaneously? Many legitimate curricula present their content this way, but as these types of content multiply and become more diverse, can your network handle the additional traffic? Better to use a design that inherently reduces the network load from the get go. Increased dependence on software integrity. In the centralized scenario, if any single process consumes more than its share of machine resources everyone sharing the single server is hit. (Setting disk quotas, memory and process limits will help prevent this) Security issues - One successful attack means all your resources get owned and leaves you with no untainted system to use as a base to work from. Expense? The initial outlay for the single high end machine that would be required to configure a server of the size needed would have a premium of added cost high above the cost of the same power/capability obtained by purchasing multiple smaller off-shelf machines. Scaling issues? multiple versus 1 central server(s), each has their own set of issues. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 20 00:49:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:49:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 16:45, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Forgot to mention: > > 1.this happens extremly in Mozilla. Are you picking up DNS from dhcp when booting knoppix but hand-configuring your k12ltsp? It sounds like your first DNS server entry is wrong or that server is down. What does the /etc/resolv.conf file contain? > 2. I can't run a DNS on the server, cause there is one running on the > network yet :-) Unlike DHCP, you can have as many DNS servers as you want. However if there is any firewall preventing you from reaching the internet root servers directly you need to configure 'forwarders' in /etc/named.conf to use your existing servers but keep a local cache. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Thu Aug 19 21:26:32 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:26:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dd question.. In-Reply-To: <41251A80.90803@paasda.org> References: <41251A80.90803@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1092950792.1193.79.camel@BigDog.mcquil.com> Huck, dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/floppy.img bs=10240 that will copy the contents of the floppy to a file. Then, to put the image onto a new floppy, swap "if" and "of". dd if=/tmp/floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=10240 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 17:24, Huck wrote: > with only a single floppy drive /dev/fd0 > how can I do a full disk copy from 1 floppy to another? > dd should be able to do it eh? > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Aug 20 02:04:44 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:04:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <20040819202859.A5196@redline.comcast.net> References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> <412521B6.7090006@netscape.net> <412523A5.1050704@paasda.org> <04Aug20.001103cest.87174@fw01.solleftea.se> <4041.217.211.209.167.1092954225.squirrel@217.211.209.167> <20040819202859.A5196@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <41255C3C.6040505@netscape.net> Hi Jff, Well put ..... norbert jkinz at kinz.org wrote: >On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 12:23:45AM +0200, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > > >>Hello Norbert! >> >>So, a server handling about 150 clients would be how big? Ofcourse those >>wouldnt all be running at the same time at full load. The reason i ask is >>that i would want to be able to do an estimate on just how big of a server >>it would have to be. I want to have solid ground under my feet and not >>just my own experience. >> >> > >Hi Dan. > >How much do you have the students environment locked down? > >I have a one installation where we have the the Thin clients(TC) >absolutely locked down so they can only run OpenOffice and a browser. >For each TC we try to add about 100MB to the server. > >We want to make sure that swap is not used by the TC's since having to >swap memory over an NFS link is really slow and eats network bandwidth. > >So 150 TC = 100MB * 150 = 15000 MB or 15 GB. Caveat - the more TC's >you add to the server, the smaller memory increment they require. > >This is due to the net gain of shared libraries already resident when >many TC's are running the same apps. So, ultimately this very >straightforward, linear estimation may cause you to get more memory than >you need. Of course if you know in advance how many TC's will be >running what apps at the same time you can get a much better estimate of >your memory requirements. > >Now go look up how much more memory costs per GB when you have to buy >multi GB sticks. (Pricewatch says 1GB stick is $150 to $247, but they >are always low) 2 - 1Gb sticks from HP for the "Proliant" system is >$1149 But .. its warranted for life.. (Funny, so is the stuff from >Crucial.com thats faster and a tenth of the cost... how strange... ) > >A 4 Gb stick is $1700.00 -- I see a trend... > >If your TC's are not locked down and the students have access to the >entire set of menus on the desktop then you may need more than 100 MB >per TC. (you can process limit them so they can't open umpteen apps >at the same time) > > >As for CPU requirements, A 2 GHz , low end CPU can run 10 TC's which >aren't too busy. For your system with 1 server, you want a machine >with as many SMP CPU on it as you can find. at least four and eight is >better, and you want high end CPU's. XEON's or whatever the current hot >chip is. Again, you'll pay a premium over the commodity level >components. 3 to six times as much. (Low end CPU is $60) High end is ? > >In addition to being much more expensive, the centralized server >architecture is riskier and more problematic than having a server at >each location. > >Its weaknesses are: > > Single point of failure. If the server goes down, service > does not degrade "gracefully", it disintegrates. > > With multiple servers at least many thin clients(TC) > would still be able to function, > > Increased dependence on unneeded network links. With the > server in a remote location from the TC's it is serving rather > than at the same location as the TC's it is serving, the risk of > a service failure is increased because it is now additionally > dependent not only on the server running but also on the network > links being intact (think backhoes, manhole fires, > automobile/telephone pole accidents etc..) and dependent on the > network equipment, (Router, switches etc) running as well. A > final vulnerability is the vendor/supplier who is running those > comm lines for you. If they have any issues (strikes, software > glitches, security compromised), your connections between > buildings are affected and you lose service. > > Another network issue is the plugged pipe problem. This much > X-Windowing will generate a huge amount of traffic. OK maybe > 1 GB net with smart switches can handle it. But what happens > when you add streaming video being accessed by 40 or 50 TC > simultaneously? Many legitimate curricula present their > content this way, but as these types of content multiply and > become more diverse, can your network handle the additional > traffic? Better to use a design that inherently reduces the > network load from the get go. > > Increased dependence on software integrity. In the centralized > scenario, if any single process consumes more than its share > of machine resources everyone sharing the single server is hit. > (Setting disk quotas, memory and process limits will help > prevent this) > > Security issues - One successful attack means all your resources > get owned and leaves you with no untainted system to use as a > base to work from. > > Expense? The initial outlay for the single high end machine > that would be required to configure a server of the size needed > would have a premium of added cost high above the cost > of the same power/capability obtained by purchasing multiple > smaller off-shelf machines. > > Scaling issues? multiple versus 1 central server(s), each has > their own set of issues. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Aug 20 03:04:55 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:34:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <614C5BE5.326CBBA2.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <614C5BE5.326CBBA2.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1092971095.27871.33.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 05:31, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > These are just rough numbers, we've run 3 clustered servers 1 x P-4 & 2 x P-3 with a total of 4GB for 75 clients. The applications & load (i/o) are determining factors Assuming that you are running OO other productivity things. Did your users face situations where their OO sessions would terminate all of sudden? I tried twice to cluster. Both times clusters started working fine but when ever process migration between CPU's took place the OO session on the users desktop would die? May be some tweak issue here that I missed. If you are happily running along then would like take up this again for trial in an production environment. A lot many others are also interested. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 20 03:32:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:32:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <1092971095.27871.33.camel@server.ltsp> References: <614C5BE5.326CBBA2.0092C281@netscape.net> <1092971095.27871.33.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1092972736.10383.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 22:04, Sudev Barar wrote: > I tried twice to cluster. Both times clusters started working fine but > when ever process migration between CPU's took place the OO session on > the users desktop would die? If you have a common NFS mounted /home, can't you just put a bunch of k12ltsp servers on the wire and give each a DHCP range containing only the number of clients you'd like it to serve, then let the clients connect to the one that answers first? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Aug 20 04:01:37 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:01:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Large scale implementation in the pipe In-Reply-To: <20040820020526.A4F7B72F09@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040820020526.A4F7B72F09@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1092974497.6031.4.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Well done Jeff maybe this should go in the Wiki. > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:28:59 -0400 > From: Jeff Kinz > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input > needed. > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20040819202859.A5196 at redline.comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 12:23:45AM +0200, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > > Hello Norbert! > > > > So, a server handling about 150 clients would be how big? Ofcourse those > > wouldnt all be running at the same time at full load. The reason i ask is > > that i would want to be able to do an estimate on just how big of a server > > it would have to be. I want to have solid ground under my feet and not > > just my own experience. > > Hi Dan. > > How much do you have the students environment locked down? > > I have a one installation where we have the the Thin clients(TC) > absolutely locked down so they can only run OpenOffice and a browser. > For each TC we try to add about 100MB to the server. > > We want to make sure that swap is not used by the TC's since having to > swap memory over an NFS link is really slow and eats network bandwidth. > > So 150 TC = 100MB * 150 = 15000 MB or 15 GB. Caveat - the more TC's > you add to the server, the smaller memory increment they require. > > This is due to the net gain of shared libraries already resident when > many TC's are running the same apps. So, ultimately this very > straightforward, linear estimation may cause you to get more memory than > you need. Of course if you know in advance how many TC's will be > running what apps at the same time you can get a much better estimate of > your memory requirements. > > Now go look up how much more memory costs per GB when you have to buy > multi GB sticks. (Pricewatch says 1GB stick is $150 to $247, but they > are always low) 2 - 1Gb sticks from HP for the "Proliant" system is > $1149 But .. its warranted for life.. (Funny, so is the stuff from > Crucial.com thats faster and a tenth of the cost... how strange... ) > > A 4 Gb stick is $1700.00 -- I see a trend... > > If your TC's are not locked down and the students have access to the > entire set of menus on the desktop then you may need more than 100 MB > per TC. (you can process limit them so they can't open umpteen apps > at the same time) > > > As for CPU requirements, A 2 GHz , low end CPU can run 10 TC's which > aren't too busy. For your system with 1 server, you want a machine > with as many SMP CPU on it as you can find. at least four and eight is > better, and you want high end CPU's. XEON's or whatever the current hot > chip is. Again, you'll pay a premium over the commodity level > components. 3 to six times as much. (Low end CPU is $60) High end is ? > > In addition to being much more expensive, the centralized server > architecture is riskier and more problematic than having a server at > each location. > > Its weaknesses are: > > Single point of failure. If the server goes down, service > does not degrade "gracefully", it disintegrates. > > With multiple servers at least many thin clients(TC) > would still be able to function, > > Increased dependence on unneeded network links. With the > server in a remote location from the TC's it is serving rather > than at the same location as the TC's it is serving, the risk of > a service failure is increased because it is now additionally > dependent not only on the server running but also on the network > links being intact (think backhoes, manhole fires, > automobile/telephone pole accidents etc..) and dependent on the > network equipment, (Router, switches etc) running as well. A > final vulnerability is the vendor/supplier who is running those > comm lines for you. If they have any issues (strikes, software > glitches, security compromised), your connections between > buildings are affected and you lose service. > > Another network issue is the plugged pipe problem. This much > X-Windowing will generate a huge amount of traffic. OK maybe > 1 GB net with smart switches can handle it. But what happens > when you add streaming video being accessed by 40 or 50 TC > simultaneously? Many legitimate curricula present their > content this way, but as these types of content multiply and > become more diverse, can your network handle the additional > traffic? Better to use a design that inherently reduces the > network load from the get go. > > Increased dependence on software integrity. In the centralized > scenario, if any single process consumes more than its share > of machine resources everyone sharing the single server is hit. > (Setting disk quotas, memory and process limits will help > prevent this) > > Security issues - One successful attack means all your resources > get owned and leaves you with no untainted system to use as a > base to work from. > > Expense? The initial outlay for the single high end machine > that would be required to configure a server of the size needed > would have a premium of added cost high above the cost > of the same power/capability obtained by purchasing multiple > smaller off-shelf machines. > > Scaling issues? multiple versus 1 central server(s), each has > their own set of issues. From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Fri Aug 20 04:19:42 2004 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:19:42 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <000201c48527$9513ad50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000201c48527$9513ad50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1092975582.41257bdee401b@tcl> Quoting Jim Kronebusch : Buy a one NOD32 for your Linux server and NOD32's for clients and be done with it. problem solved. We use ClamAV on our mail server which is also checked by NOD as well From thepiano at pandora.be Fri Aug 20 07:31:38 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:31:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: my resolve gets form the dhcp server; Search SCHOOL nameservers 10.0.0.1 Both are dynamicly assigned. Could you explain me the formwarding stuff? I'm just starting to use Linux servers, but gotta learn fast :-) Kevin On 20 Aug 2004, at 02:49, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 16:45, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> Forgot to mention: >> >> 1.this happens extremly in Mozilla. > > Are you picking up DNS from dhcp when booting knoppix but > hand-configuring your k12ltsp? It sounds like your > first DNS server entry is wrong or that server is > down. What does the /etc/resolv.conf file contain? > >> 2. I can't run a DNS on the server, cause there is one running on the >> network yet :-) > > Unlike DHCP, you can have as many DNS servers as you want. However > if there is any firewall preventing you from reaching the > internet root servers directly you need to configure 'forwarders' > in /etc/named.conf to use your existing servers but keep > a local cache. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Aug 20 08:51:56 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:51:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4125BBAC.2020105@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Both are dynamicly assigned. > Could you explain me the formwarding stuff? I'm just starting to use > Linux servers, but gotta learn fast :-) That's the kind of attidude that puts me in a very good mood :) From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Aug 20 10:11:57 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:11:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <4125CE6D.4070809@cmosnetworks.com> Shoot us your /etc/resolv.conf. The problem might be in there. --TP Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Forgot to mention: > > 1.this happens extremly in Mozilla. > > 2. I can't run a DNS on the server, cause there is one running on the > network yet :-) > > Kevin > > On 19 Aug 2004, at 23:41, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> i'm having a very strange resolve problem. >> When starting up my server using the knoppix cd, i'm having my dns >> request resolved in about 1 second. >> >> But when I do start up K12LTSP it sometimes takes about 20 second >> before I'm even gettinga response on eth1. >> >> I'm using a RTL8139C catd as eth1 >> Eth0 uses the VIA chip (the fixed ip uses the builtin card very >> succesfull) >> >> Can someone help me out, the academic year will start in a few days >> so.... >> >> Kindly regards, >> >> >> Kevin Verheyen >> IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Aug 20 10:23:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:23:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4125D105.30605@cmosnetworks.com> Just to make sure: Is this the /etc/resolv.conf from your K12LTSP server, or is it the one from Knoppix? BTW, I think it's supposed to be "nameserver 10.0.0.1". Yours says "nameservers 10.0.0.1", with the "s" at the end of "nameserver". I'm not sure if that will cause problems. Here's mine: [microman at k12ltspbox microman]$ more /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.0.250 nameserver 192.168.0.252 nameserver 198.6.1.3 [microman at k12ltspbox microman]$ --TP Kevin Verheyen wrote: > my resolve gets form the dhcp server; > > Search SCHOOL > nameservers 10.0.0.1 > > Both are dynamicly assigned. > Could you explain me the formwarding stuff? I'm just starting to use > Linux servers, but gotta learn fast :-) > > > Kevin > > From thepiano at pandora.be Fri Aug 20 12:28:46 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:28:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: <4125D105.30605@cmosnetworks.com> References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4125D105.30605@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <7B546021-F2A4-11D8-9BA9-003065521B98@pandora.be> This is the reslove from the k12ltsp server. the s was my typo.... I'll check the knoppix file tomorrow, am on holiday today Kevin On 20 Aug 2004, at 12:23, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Just to make sure: Is this the /etc/resolv.conf from your K12LTSP > server, or is it the one from Knoppix? > > BTW, I think it's supposed to be "nameserver 10.0.0.1". Yours says > "nameservers 10.0.0.1", with the "s" at the end of "nameserver". I'm > not sure if that will cause problems. Here's mine: > > [microman at k12ltspbox microman]$ more /etc/resolv.conf > nameserver 192.168.0.250 > nameserver 192.168.0.252 > nameserver 198.6.1.3 > [microman at k12ltspbox microman]$ > > --TP > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> my resolve gets form the dhcp server; >> >> Search SCHOOL >> nameservers 10.0.0.1 >> >> Both are dynamicly assigned. >> Could you explain me the formwarding stuff? I'm just starting to use >> Linux servers, but gotta learn fast :-) >> >> >> Kevin >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 20 12:41:17 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:41:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: <7B546021-F2A4-11D8-9BA9-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4125D105.30605@cmosnetworks.com> <7B546021-F2A4-11D8-9BA9-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <1093005677.3639.352.camel@penguin> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 08:28, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > I'll check the knoppix file tomorrow, am on holiday today Or at least you're supposed to be. :-) I think I saw you ask for an explanation of the /etc/resolv.conf file in one of your past emails and I haven't seen a response to that yet... You should have a manual page under the command 'man resolv.conf'. The most important part of that files is this attribute and description: " nameserver: Internet address (in dot notation) of a name server that the resolver should query. Up to MAXNS (currently 3) name servers may be listed, one per keyword. If there are multiple servers, the resolver library queries them in the order listed. If no nameserver entries are present, the default is to use the name server on the local machine. (The algorithm used is to try a name server, and if the query times out, try the next, until out of name servers, then repeat trying all the name servers until a maximum number of retries are made.)" JSR/ From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 20 12:54:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:54:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS resolve In-Reply-To: References: <8AE7FCB6-F228-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <10E20638-F229-11D8-96E8-003065521B98@pandora.be> <1092962967.9848.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1093006443.11993.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 02:31, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > my resolve gets form the dhcp server; > > Search SCHOOL > nameservers 10.0.0.1 > > Both are dynamicly assigned. > Could you explain me the formwarding stuff? I'm just starting to use > Linux servers, but gotta learn fast :-) First try "dig @10.0.0.1" to see if the existing server has a problem (with no lookup specified you should get a list of root servers). Then try it with some local names ("dig @10.0.0.1 hostname at school") to see if it has answers for internal machines. You have to supply the full domain form of the name for dig - nslookup would add your own domain to the lookup for you but the diagnostics aren't quite as good. It's probably better if you can get the existing DNS server to work if the k12ltsp must obtain it's address through DHCP because you'll also get the DNS assignment dynamically. It should also be set up to reverse-resolve the IP numbers to names for the local subnet ranges. It doesn't make much sense to bother the root nameservers with lookups for 10.x.x.x numbers. I wouldn't set up a forwarding server until after establishing that there is a problem just using the existing one(s). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 20 13:02:31 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:02:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp support for 3.1.x Message-ID: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Earlier this year Eric mentioned (IIRC) updating the 3.1 and the EL 3.0 branches with the k12 and ltsp 4.1 software, for those running either of those more "mature" branches. How is this going? Can we expect to see anything during the next month (or two)? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEl9mcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSvzQCfbQTASb+Y8ubnLiljEKmst9be g9AAnRk9I8WMjPZoXkP+eumVTF7ywofm =6z7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Aug 20 13:25:18 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:25:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <1092971095.27871.33.camel@server.ltsp> References: <614C5BE5.326CBBA2.0092C281@netscape.net> <1092971095.27871.33.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4125FBBE.90506@netscape.net> Hi, Please see inline sudev at mantraonline.com wrote: >On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 05:31, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > > >>These are just rough numbers, we've run 3 clustered servers 1 x P-4 & 2 x P-3 with a total of 4GB for 75 clients. The applications & load (i/o) are determining factors >> >> > >Assuming that you are running OO other productivity things. Did your >users face situations where their OO sessions would terminate all of >sudden? > > Yes sometimes with earlier version of 4.0.1 but these seem to have disappeared and with the current version we haven't had any problems. Even gcompris works !! >I tried twice to cluster. Both times clusters started working fine but >when ever process migration between CPU's took place the OO session on >the users desktop would die? May be some tweak issue here that I missed. >If you are happily running along then would like take up this again for >trial in an production environment. A lot many others are also >interested. > > There is a small config in the openmosix config file. I setup one main LTSP server that is also the application server & the other are just "slaves" to the master. That means that OO & the other applications all run from the main server. On this server I tell it to export it's processes but not on the others. good luck norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 20 14:02:36 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:02:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <1092975582.41257bdee401b@tcl> Message-ID: <001101c486be$58b37280$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Buy a one NOD32 for your Linux server and NOD32's for clients > and be done with > it. > problem solved. > We use ClamAV on our mail server which is also checked by NOD as well I am not worried about the clients at this point (all already have antivirus installed). But I do like this suggestion for the server. Looking at pricing I see a 1 User license for $39, does this sound correct? Or do I need to find some high priced area where I pay for every user on the machine? There will be about 800 users on this WBEL file server, if the $39 version will do real time scanning on that box regardless of how many users there are I will order it today. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 20 14:42:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:42:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Network problems w/4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040819.omJ.58182900@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <001301c486c3$eb7a44e0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Can you copy and paste the info into your email? The png > didn't come through my email virus/spam filtering. > > > > netstat -nr > > > ifconfig > > > > > > It sounds like a routing problem. [root at server root]# netstat -nr Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 10.6.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 0.0.0.0 10.6.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 [root at server root]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:C9:B1:42:C2 inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::2a0:c9ff:feb1:42c2/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:18 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:18 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:5E:9E:B9 inet addr:10.6.25.26 Bcast:10.6.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 inet6 addr: fe80::2a0:ccff:fe5e:9eb9/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:43914 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:1216 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:5 Base address:0xb000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:6758 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6758 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:5113300 (4.8 Mb) TX bytes:5113300 (4.8 Mb) [root at server root]# --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 20 17:25:26 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:25:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Large scale implementation in the pipe, input needed. In-Reply-To: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> References: <3631.217.211.209.167.1092951240.squirrel@217.211.209.167> Message-ID: <1093022726.3640.393.camel@penguin> If you want it to go right, your main concern is dependability and flexibility. If things at your place are anything like here, the odds of clearly understanding the need and realistically expecting growth are low. Therefore, I'd say you need something flexible. That means a server in each school able to handle twice the current desires (and more than twice if possible). However, for flexibility, I'd plan on a central NFS directory and Authentication database (LDAP is best IMHO). The important information that needs to be protected is home directories and user database. Having that in a central location would be worthwhile. Replacing this information is very difficult. Getting a new LTSP server up and running is easy and trivial. In fact, once you have the first one it's easy to replicate it across machines and things on the servers won't need to change much. (It's like using Ghost for your desktops.) Having one server out of five go down is much less of a problem then having "THE" server go down. hardware will almost certainly fail eventually. I'm not sure, but the bandwidth concerns of a 1Gig connection to that many clients that also has to share the environment with many other computers using other programs could easily become congested if they are doing more than surfing websites, but rather accessing internal network resources. Anyway to sum up: * Less demanding of bandwidth (keeps things fast) * Quickly replaceable LTSP servers * Central storage of irreplacable data * Easy backup of important data * Very Flexible expansion to other environments * LDAP makes managing users easier and more powerful (IMHO) * LDAP allows for expansion of services based on your userbase (for example: email, authenticated web filtering, intranet sites, webmail, etc.) It might work using NFS for various parts of the servers directory like /etc maybe so that you can be sure that all your machines are kept with the same configs and make fixing one problem with fix it on all if it's a config issue. That would get you the benefit of a central server with the flexibility of a distributed environment. If I did this I'd want to have one main NFS server that acted as a backup LDAP server and one LDAP server that acted as a backup NFS server. LDAP can replicate info immediately through slurpd and I'd replicate the data from the main NFS server to the backup one hourly using rsync. Rsync only sends changes and therefore wouldn't be a large bandwidth hog, but still keep things in good shape. (Note: This is not a file backup solution cause files deleted will be gone from both servers in an hour and your users won't like that at all. :-) I think I just NSF'd my $.02 :-) JSR/ On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 17:34, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Hi! > > At the school district im an admin at there are talks about implementing a > large scale k12 LTSP solution. We have been testing succesfully on one > school but only with about 15 clients. The latest bid is to have one big > central server. It will be serving a cuple of other schools over 1 gbit > fiber connections. An estimate over the number of clients would be about > 50-60 at two schools and maybe 40 additional from other smaller schools > and locations. > > I have been pondering this quite a bit and im a bit concerned about the > cost of the server and backbones etc. Since other traffic flows in the > same fibers there will have to be some kind of vlan separating the traffic > since passwords etc flows unencrypted between client/server. I really > would appriciate input on this since i have a thing for linux and wouldnt > want an implementation to go wrong at my own turf. Is a central server a > good solution or is the benefit smaller than percieved? Have anyone done > this in a grand scale and what was the pitfalls in those cases? > > Im perticulary interested in how scaling have been solved on big sites. > Have tried an openmosix cluster but the benefit was small since we dont > run any cpu intensive applications. > > In short, is it a good solution to get a big iron hosting everything > instead of spreading several smaller Terminal Servers onsite and just > centralize /home and logins? > > All inputs are appriciated. > > Cheers! > > /daniel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Aug 20 18:19:13 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:19:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] keduca Message-ID: <20040820181913.YCLC24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I'm planning on using keduca to make quizes and tests for students this year. If I create a test/quiz, how do I place it in a students home directory? It would be great if there was a function like windows explorer that I could select the test, and drag/drop it into the students folder. There must be a way that I have not discovered in the k12ltsp os. Any ideas? Thanks! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 20 18:25:13 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:25:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] keduca In-Reply-To: <20040820181913.YCLC24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040820181913.YCLC24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <41264209.9050307@paasda.org> nautalis (spelling) does that does it not? --Huck Will Hatch wrote: >I'm planning on using keduca to make quizes and tests for students this year. If I create a test/quiz, how do I place it in a students home directory? It would be great if there was a function like windows explorer that I could select the test, and drag/drop it into the students folder. There must be a way that I have not discovered in the k12ltsp os. Any ideas? Thanks! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Aug 20 19:05:49 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:05:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new school year prep Message-ID: <41264B8D.2020208@magic.fr> Greetings all, Some of you, like myself, might be gearing up for the new school year. I'm looking for tips and tricks and scripts that help primarily with permissions and user management. I've compiled this list based on what I remember ... maybe someone else has their own checklist that they can share? *mass import of student info from .xls or .csv of user name, password (via webmin?) *limiting space usage by group or user *limiting application access by group (passing_student, failing_student) *setting default desktops (ICEWM) *shared folders but locked from viewing other users files in same folder (homework drop box) *setting specific hotkeys for all users (printscreen particularly) Again, if you've any pointers or tips I'd be very much obliged for your help. I'm a beginning sysadmin and a teacher. many thanks, Dennis Daniels From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 20 19:11:22 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:11:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new school year prep In-Reply-To: <41264B8D.2020208@magic.fr> References: <41264B8D.2020208@magic.fr> Message-ID: <41264CDA.2030101@paasda.org> check the archives for this month... I posted a script to create usernames... and exports the list to a file for importing them all for webmin... --Huck Dennis Daniels wrote: > Greetings all, > Some of you, like myself, might be gearing up for the new school year. > I'm looking for tips and tricks and scripts that help primarily with > permissions and user management. I've compiled this list based on what > I remember ... maybe someone else has their own checklist that they > can share? > > *mass import of student info from .xls or .csv of user name, password > (via webmin?) > *limiting space usage by group or user > *limiting application access by group (passing_student, failing_student) > *setting default desktops (ICEWM) > *shared folders but locked from viewing other users files in same > folder (homework drop box) > *setting specific hotkeys for all users (printscreen particularly) > > Again, if you've any pointers or tips I'd be very much obliged for > your help. I'm a beginning sysadmin and a teacher. > > many thanks, > Dennis Daniels > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Aug 20 19:22:00 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:22:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new school year prep In-Reply-To: <41264CDA.2030101@paasda.org> References: <41264B8D.2020208@magic.fr> <41264CDA.2030101@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41264F58.205@magic.fr> Thanks Huck! Any thoughts on group management of application execution and file space? Prohibited file types etc? Do you mind if I post your script on the K12LTSP wiki? thanks! Dennis Huck wrote: > check the archives for this month... > I posted a script to create usernames... > and exports the list to a file for importing them all for webmin... > > --Huck > > Dennis Daniels wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> Some of you, like myself, might be gearing up for the new school year. >> I'm looking for tips and tricks and scripts that help primarily with >> permissions and user management. I've compiled this list based on what >> I remember ... maybe someone else has their own checklist that they >> can share? >> >> *mass import of student info from .xls or .csv of user name, password >> (via webmin?) >> *limiting space usage by group or user >> *limiting application access by group (passing_student, failing_student) >> *setting default desktops (ICEWM) >> *shared folders but locked from viewing other users files in same >> folder (homework drop box) >> *setting specific hotkeys for all users (printscreen particularly) >> >> Again, if you've any pointers or tips I'd be very much obliged for >> your help. I'm a beginning sysadmin and a teacher. >> >> many thanks, >> Dennis Daniels >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 20 19:22:27 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] keduca In-Reply-To: <20040820181913.YCLC24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040820181913.YCLC24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <41264F73.6000103@maltzen.net> Depends who you login as. If you login as root (not recommended for this case, as this is not an administrative task), if you click on the 'root's home' icon on the desktop, it will start Nautilus, the file manager for Gnome. You can use that to drag files from, say, /home/will to /home/student1 and so on. If you're not root, e.g., you login as whatch, you should make sure your ID is in the group ID for each student (see the /etc/group file). That way, you have write permissions to, say, /home/student1, assuming the group permissions for /home/student1 are set to write (and presumably read and execute). Petre Will Hatch wrote: >I'm planning on using keduca to make quizes and tests for students this year. If I create a test/quiz, how do I place it in a students home directory? It would be great if there was a function like windows explorer that I could select the test, and drag/drop it into the students folder. There must be a way that I have not discovered in the k12ltsp os. Any ideas? Thanks! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 20 20:47:48 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:47:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new school year prep In-Reply-To: <41264F58.205@magic.fr> References: <41264B8D.2020208@magic.fr> <41264CDA.2030101@paasda.org> <41264F58.205@magic.fr> Message-ID: <41266374.6070004@paasda.org> I'll make a more juicy one AFTER school starts to post there...if you can edit your wiki later that's great =) you can post this one too if you like! limiting space... 'quota'....limiting applications use 'chown' (man chown) for more details.. IceWM...for default session....I posted that last month or this month as well from someone elses site I found... shared folders...you do with 'groups' as well....and 'chown'...(this is in the archives as well somewhere) If I had more time I'd go into more depth...but school starts for me on Monday ... and I still don't have my labs up....nor a file from admin with student names =) *sweat'n bullets* --Huck Dennis Daniels wrote: > Thanks Huck! > Any thoughts on group management of application execution and file > space? Prohibited file types etc? > > Do you mind if I post your script on the K12LTSP wiki? > > thanks! > Dennis > > Huck wrote: > >> check the archives for this month... >> I posted a script to create usernames... >> and exports the list to a file for importing them all for webmin... >> >> --Huck >> >> Dennis Daniels wrote: >> >>> Greetings all, >>> Some of you, like myself, might be gearing up for the new school >>> year. I'm looking for tips and tricks and scripts that help >>> primarily with permissions and user management. I've compiled this >>> list based on what I remember ... maybe someone else has their own >>> checklist that they can share? >>> >>> *mass import of student info from .xls or .csv of user name, >>> password (via webmin?) >>> *limiting space usage by group or user >>> *limiting application access by group (passing_student, >>> failing_student) >>> *setting default desktops (ICEWM) >>> *shared folders but locked from viewing other users files in same >>> folder (homework drop box) >>> *setting specific hotkeys for all users (printscreen particularly) >>> >>> Again, if you've any pointers or tips I'd be very much obliged for >>> your help. I'm a beginning sysadmin and a teacher. >>> >>> many thanks, >>> Dennis Daniels >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Aug 20 22:02:16 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:02:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new school year prep In-Reply-To: <41266374.6070004@paasda.org> References: <41264B8D.2020208@magic.fr> <41264CDA.2030101@paasda.org> <41264F58.205@magic.fr> <41266374.6070004@paasda.org> Message-ID: <412674E8.6040609@magic.fr> Hi Huck I've split your notes a bit... the script is here: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Webmin Your notes are here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=New+School+Year+Prep I'm working on packaging all of the tools a teacher would need to get and keep a K12LTSP running on their own, at least on a small scale. thanks again! I'll be documenting as I get my own network set up to! http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP%20Bash%20History best! Dennis Huck wrote: > I'll make a more juicy one AFTER school starts to post there...if you > can edit your wiki later that's great =) > you can post this one too if you like! > > limiting space... 'quota'....limiting applications use 'chown' (man > chown) for more details.. > IceWM...for default session....I posted that last month or this month as > well from someone elses site I found... > shared folders...you do with 'groups' as well....and 'chown'...(this is > in the archives as well somewhere) > > If I had more time I'd go into more depth...but school starts for me on > Monday ... > and I still don't have my labs up....nor a file from admin with student > names =) > > *sweat'n bullets* > > --Huck > > > Dennis Daniels wrote: > >> Thanks Huck! >> Any thoughts on group management of application execution and file >> space? Prohibited file types etc? >> >> Do you mind if I post your script on the K12LTSP wiki? >> >> thanks! >> Dennis >> >> Huck wrote: >> >>> check the archives for this month... >>> I posted a script to create usernames... >>> and exports the list to a file for importing them all for webmin... >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> Dennis Daniels wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings all, >>>> Some of you, like myself, might be gearing up for the new school >>>> year. I'm looking for tips and tricks and scripts that help >>>> primarily with permissions and user management. I've compiled this >>>> list based on what I remember ... maybe someone else has their own >>>> checklist that they can share? >>>> >>>> *mass import of student info from .xls or .csv of user name, >>>> password (via webmin?) >>>> *limiting space usage by group or user >>>> *limiting application access by group (passing_student, >>>> failing_student) >>>> *setting default desktops (ICEWM) >>>> *shared folders but locked from viewing other users files in same >>>> folder (homework drop box) >>>> *setting specific hotkeys for all users (printscreen particularly) >>>> >>>> Again, if you've any pointers or tips I'd be very much obliged for >>>> your help. I'm a beginning sysadmin and a teacher. >>>> >>>> many thanks, >>>> Dennis Daniels >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Fri Aug 20 22:19:13 2004 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:19:13 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux viruses In-Reply-To: <001101c486be$58b37280$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001101c486be$58b37280$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <412678E1.3080303@tclcommunications.co.nz> Yep 1 x NOD32 one licence for all users and files, one Linux server 12 months no M$ pricing there M$ use NOD for its own networks.? The client side roll out and managment is clean and tidy, with NOD having minimal effect on client performance best thing scince sliced bread. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 20 22:50:40 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:50:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp support for 3.1.x In-Reply-To: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 06:02, Burke Almquist wrote: > Earlier this year Eric mentioned (IIRC) updating the 3.1 and the EL 3.0 > branches with the k12 and ltsp 4.1 software, for those running either > of those more "mature" branches. How is this going? Can we expect to > see anything during the next month (or two)? Now that LTSP 4.1 is out, it is much easier to proceed ;-) I have a couple ideas I'm playing around with. I'm busy this weekend, so no hacking for me. Next week I should be able to post a reasonable ETA. A month would be a reasonable bet. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Aug 20 23:15:27 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:15:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound and floppy In-Reply-To: <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: Trying to research this myself, but it seems the Wiki is down?? I'm having trouble getting a floppy and sound working. Isn't it enabled in 4.0.1. I'm figuring I need to edit lts.conf but not finding many good examples of what to try thanks Shane P.S. We just finished our Glenburn Technology Academy. We had almost 40 faculty and staff attend. The number of teachers who were not interested that are not very interested is amazing. We had at least 4 of the teachers end the week by asking for MORE clients in their rooms and one for them on their classroom desk. It was a good week. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 20 23:39:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:39:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sound and floppy In-Reply-To: References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> you uncomment the line rcfile06 = floppyd or something close to that in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?? --huck Shane Stafford wrote: >Trying to research this myself, but it seems the Wiki is down?? I'm >having trouble getting a floppy and sound working. Isn't it enabled in >4.0.1. I'm figuring I need to edit lts.conf but not finding many good >examples of what to try > >thanks >Shane > >P.S. We just finished our Glenburn Technology Academy. We had almost 40 >faculty and staff attend. The number of teachers who were not interested >that are not very interested is amazing. We had at least 4 of the >teachers end the week by asking for MORE clients in their rooms and one >for them on their classroom desk. It was a good week. > >thanks >Shane > > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Aug 20 23:46:41 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:46:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN Message-ID: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Taking a page from Larry Wall: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LazinessImpatienceHubris Laziness: I'm tired of ssh'ing to every server to run yum to see if updates are available. Impatience: Doing the above takes too much time. Hubris: Assuming anybody would find this useful while simultaneously invoking Larry Wall to describe a shell script running a python program. ;-) #!/bin/sh # Run me in your crontab in the wee hours YUM="yum -d 0 -e 0" # be quiet if $YUM check-update &> /dev/null # if yum returns zero then # then : # do nothing else # else echo "updates for `hostname`" # tell me $YUM -C list updates # what updates are there? fi # done -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Aug 20 23:55:56 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:55:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound and floppy In-Reply-To: <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, August 20, 2004 at 7:39 PM +0000 wrote: >you uncomment the line rcfile06 = floppyd >or something close to that in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?? > >--huck Hi Shane! True...uncomment the line that Huck mentioned above and reboot the clients (and maybe the server) ....it does work as I've used it. As for sound...that can be trickier depending on the client. What are they running for a sound card? First of all, in lts.conf....make sure SOUND = Y set the volume up a bit to around 100....you may need to uncomment the SMODULE line for ISA cards. Generally doesn't hurt to uncomment anyway....I do. Also...I'm finding that sound in 4.1 is only working well in IceWM. It doesn't work in GNOME...and I'm not complaining because we don't want to use GNOME....too slow. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Aug 20 23:53:13 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:53:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us>; from dan_young@parkrose.k12.or.us on Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 04:46:41PM -0700 References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20040820195313.A2626@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 04:46:41PM -0700, Dan Young wrote: ... > I'm tired of ssh'ing to every server to run yum to see if updates are > available. > > #!/bin/sh > # Run me in your crontab in the wee hours > > YUM="yum -d 0 -e 0" # be quiet > > if $YUM check-update &> /dev/null # if yum returns zero > then # then > : # do nothing > else # else > echo "updates for `hostname`" # tell me > $YUM -C list updates # what updates are there? > fi # done Dan, I just wanted to congratulate you on implementing RHN from scratch in only 7 lines of shell script! :-) -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From staffords at glenburn.net Sat Aug 21 00:14:59 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:14:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience at Glenburn this week. In-Reply-To: References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <, > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <, > <, > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> <,> Message-ID: Thanks, I will try a different session type. So, are you finding a noticeable speed increase with IceVM? We had a good time this week. But, now I think I need to get better a tweaking the process. Our server is 2 xeon processors, somewhere over 2.5 gig, and 4 Gig of memory., we had a lab of 28, a lab of 14, and a lab of 7 this week. Most times we had about around 35-40 teachers on at the same time. For the most part we go good performance. A couple of the major issues 1) Occassional Lockups -- some of the orphan process variety, where if I logged on as root, I could see the user's process, using the ps -u username command and I could kill processes to get them unlocked But the problem lockup was when I did a ps -u username command and nothing showed, yet the user's station was locked up. At that point we did reboot the specific client. But, while it wasn't terrible, we did get a couple to 3 per 1 1/2 class session. And then sometimes we got a person who just seemed to lock them up several machines in a row, and that was after I check to see if they had active processes before they logged in again. 2) Some slowdowns. We hit a wall today when we were teaching First Class, I couldn't even log on the main server as root it go so slow. I had to have one lab log off and just watch the instructor demonstrate. I wish they would upgrade the Linux First Class beta client, wow is it buggy, but our staff lives and dies by first class. And the web version is still clunky. Maybe we should switch to icevm. I hate to switch the faculty after this great week of work, but I guess they mostly use the education menu, Open Office, mozilla and First class, so if I modify the IceVM menu to reflect those, we would be in good shape. other "best practices" tips to improve server performance. thanks shane > > >True...uncomment the line that Huck mentioned above and reboot the clients >(and maybe the server) ....it does work as I've used it. As for >sound...that can be trickier depending on the client. What are they >running for a sound card? First of all, in lts.conf....make sure SOUND >= Y set the volume up a bit to around 100....you may need to uncomment >the SMODULE line for ISA cards. Generally doesn't hurt to uncomment >anyway....I do. Also...I'm finding that sound in 4.1 is only working well >in IceWM. It doesn't work in GNOME...and I'm not complaining because we >don't want to use GNOME....too slow. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From dhuckaby at paasda.org Sat Aug 21 00:53:39 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience at Glenburn this week. In-Reply-To: References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <, > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <, > <, > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> <, > Message-ID: <41269D13.1040408@paasda.org> I noticed a HUGE diff in IceWM from Gnome... for what it's worth...and that was with 10 clients on my pilot lab .. server was a workstation not my pimp daddy server(to me anyway) server =) --Huck Shane Stafford wrote: >Thanks, I will try a different session type. So, are you finding a >noticeable speed increase with IceVM? We had a good time this week. But, >now I think I need to get better a tweaking the process. > >Our server is 2 xeon processors, somewhere over 2.5 gig, and 4 Gig of >memory., we had a lab of 28, a lab of 14, and a lab of 7 this week. Most >times we had about around 35-40 teachers on at the same time. For the >most part we go good performance. A couple of the major issues > >1) Occassional Lockups -- some of the orphan process variety, where if I >logged on as root, I could see the user's process, using the ps -u >username command and I could kill processes to get them unlocked >But the problem lockup was when I did a ps -u username command and nothing >showed, yet the user's station was locked up. At that point we did reboot >the specific client. But, while it wasn't terrible, we did get a couple >to 3 per 1 1/2 class session. And then sometimes we got a person who just >seemed to lock them up several machines in a row, and that was after I >check to see if they had active processes before they logged in again. > >2) Some slowdowns. We hit a wall today when we were teaching First Class, >I couldn't even log on the main server as root it go so slow. I had to >have one lab log off and just watch the instructor demonstrate. I wish >they would upgrade the Linux First Class beta client, wow is it buggy, but >our staff lives and dies by first class. And the web version is still >clunky. > >Maybe we should switch to icevm. I hate to switch the faculty after this >great week of work, but I guess they mostly use the education menu, Open >Office, mozilla and First class, so if I modify the IceVM menu to reflect >those, we would be in good shape. > >other "best practices" tips to improve server performance. > >thanks >shane > > >>True...uncomment the line that Huck mentioned above and reboot the clients >>(and maybe the server) ....it does work as I've used it. As for >>sound...that can be trickier depending on the client. What are they >>running for a sound card? First of all, in lts.conf....make sure SOUND >>= Y set the volume up a bit to around 100....you may need to uncomment >>the SMODULE line for ISA cards. Generally doesn't hurt to uncomment >>anyway....I do. Also...I'm finding that sound in 4.1 is only working well >>in IceWM. It doesn't work in GNOME...and I'm not complaining because we >>don't want to use GNOME....too slow. >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From edwardsj at leonardisd.net Sat Aug 21 01:08:30 2004 From: edwardsj at leonardisd.net (Jerome Edwards) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:08:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to remove blackjack from student computers? Message-ID: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_> Can anyone tell me how to remove blackjack and poker from K12LTSP 4.1.0? I looked but didn?t see them in the add/remove program. Our principals are requiring the games be removed or we have to cancel using K12LTSP. Thanks for your help. Jerome Edwards Leonard ISD From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 01:23:28 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] keyboard error on login Message-ID: <20040821012328.18069.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Guys, Thanks for all your support over the years. I have installed 4.1.0 on a few of my servers and when someone logs-in on a terminal, they get an error box that reads: Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem. X server version data: The XFree86 Project, Inc 3360 If you report this situation as a bug, please include: - The result of xprop -root | grep XKB - The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb When I run "xprop -root | grep XKB", I get this: _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xfree86", "pc101", "us", "", "" _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xfree86", "pc101", "us", "", "" When I run "gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb" I get this: layouts = [us] model = pc105 overrideSettings = false options = [] The error box only shows up if you login to the terminal. Now problem on the servers. Does anyone know how I can get rid of this error box? Thanks. Chris _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From lewis at pcc.com Sat Aug 21 03:17:12 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:17:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> Dan, I thought the yum daemon did that for you. Lewis On Aug 20, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Dan Young wrote: > Taking a page from Larry Wall: > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LazinessImpatienceHubris > > Laziness: > I'm tired of ssh'ing to every server to run yum to see if updates are > available. > > Impatience: > Doing the above takes too much time. > > Hubris: > Assuming anybody would find this useful while simultaneously invoking > Larry Wall to describe a shell script running a python program. ;-) > > > > #!/bin/sh > # Run me in your crontab in the wee hours > > YUM="yum -d 0 -e 0" # be quiet > > if $YUM check-update &> /dev/null # if yum returns zero > then # then > : # do nothing > else # else > echo "updates for `hostname`" # tell me > $YUM -C list updates # what updates are there? > fi # done > > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Sat Aug 21 03:32:03 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:32:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience at Glenburn this week. In-Reply-To: References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <, > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <, > <, > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> <, > Message-ID: Shane, Its sounds like this was a great success. As far as IceWM goes. I recently changed a production environment from gnome to IceWM. While the end users have noticed that some menu options are different, it was much easier to set up menu's specific to job function. It's so.... much faster, easier to configure and theme (if you want to go to those lengths) that I can't this of a reason to use gnome. I spent hours trying to use gconf to restrict menus, and trying to undo it was a nightmare. 45 minutes after looking at IceWM and we were all set. Lewis On Aug 20, 2004, at 8:14 PM, Shane Stafford wrote: > Thanks, I will try a different session type. So, are you finding a > noticeable speed increase with IceVM? We had a good time this week. > But, > now I think I need to get better a tweaking the process. > > Our server is 2 xeon processors, somewhere over 2.5 gig, and 4 Gig of > memory., we had a lab of 28, a lab of 14, and a lab of 7 this week. > Most > times we had about around 35-40 teachers on at the same time. For the > most part we go good performance. A couple of the major issues > > 1) Occassional Lockups -- some of the orphan process variety, where if > I > logged on as root, I could see the user's process, using the ps -u > username command and I could kill processes to get them unlocked > But the problem lockup was when I did a ps -u username command and > nothing > showed, yet the user's station was locked up. At that point we did > reboot > the specific client. But, while it wasn't terrible, we did get a > couple > to 3 per 1 1/2 class session. And then sometimes we got a person who > just > seemed to lock them up several machines in a row, and that was after I > check to see if they had active processes before they logged in again. > > 2) Some slowdowns. We hit a wall today when we were teaching First > Class, > I couldn't even log on the main server as root it go so slow. I had to > have one lab log off and just watch the instructor demonstrate. I wish > they would upgrade the Linux First Class beta client, wow is it buggy, > but > our staff lives and dies by first class. And the web version is still > clunky. > > Maybe we should switch to icevm. I hate to switch the faculty after > this > great week of work, but I guess they mostly use the education menu, > Open > Office, mozilla and First class, so if I modify the IceVM menu to > reflect > those, we would be in good shape. > > other "best practices" tips to improve server performance. > > thanks > shane >> >> >> True...uncomment the line that Huck mentioned above and reboot the >> clients >> (and maybe the server) ....it does work as I've used it. As for >> sound...that can be trickier depending on the client. What are they >> running for a sound card? First of all, in lts.conf....make sure >> SOUND >> = Y set the volume up a bit to around 100....you may need to >> uncomment >> the SMODULE line for ISA cards. Generally doesn't hurt to uncomment >> anyway....I do. Also...I'm finding that sound in 4.1 is only working >> well >> in IceWM. It doesn't work in GNOME...and I'm not complaining because >> we >> don't want to use GNOME....too slow. >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 21 05:59:08 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:59:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1092257920.17744.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> <1092257920.17744.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4126E4AC.2030303@mtaonline.net> I read the Jan. thread. Swtiched to fc2. not a good result. I understand the problem--the need for the latest and greatest, etc... But I also get kinda peeved when my lab locks up. Eric Harrison wrote: >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 13:25, Andrew wrote: > > >>I know redhat helped a lot with the early stages. But it seems that the >>fedora model just isn't right for k12ltsp. At this rate FC3 will be out >>by the time we have a reliable fc2.Wouldn't it make more sense to drop >>fedora? I did. Debian comes to mind, but for those of us living in >>netware systems maybe suse would be a good candidate? I don't mean to be >>a killjoy, but I haven't been comfortable with any of the 4.X k12ltsps, >>and I get the sense that the prob might be fedora itself. >> >> > >To spare everyone the agony of repeating this beat-to-death thread, I'll >just point back to the archives ;-) January 2004 had quite a few posts >on the subject: > >http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/thread.html#01337 > > >Here is the link to my point-of-view, which has not changed much in the >six months since I wrote this: > >http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg01337.html > >-Eric > > > > >>>On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 07:14, Shawn Powers wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Apparently the things I tested in beta were not the things I should have >>>>been testing... Because now I'm installing 4.1.0 -- and I'm running into >>>>troublesome issues... Anyone have suggestions: >>>> >>>>1) I like kdm, with the login/password dialog on the same screen. I >>>>always use kdm, but now, in the kdm configuration (in kcontrol) I don't >>>>have the option to remove the sessions I don't want (ie, everything but >>>>icewm) Is there a new configuration place for this? I don't even see >>>>"Reset your Desktop" as an option in kdm. >>>> >>>>2) I guess that was it -- but #1 involves several issues, the "Reset >>>>Desktop" session is gone, and I can't disable everything but IceWM. IN >>>>FACT, IceWM isn't even an option in kdm anymore... >>>> >>>>Were there drastic changes in the way kdm behaves? I have gotten rid of >>>>kdm and gdm, so that xdm is used -- but it doesn't have the option (of >>>>course) to reset desktop either... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>KDM did indeed make a change that none of us caught. I've fixed IceWM and >>>will start work on "Reset Desktop". The updated IceWM has already been added >>>to the update repository. >>> >>>I don't see an option to change sessions in kcontrol. You can do it the >>>"manual" way by removing the sessions you don't want from /usr/share/xessions/ >>> >>>-Eric >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 21 06:09:50 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:09:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1092263761.2219.25.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> <1092263761.2219.25.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4126E72E.6080304@mtaonline.net> It was the whitebox port that got me thinking. I had probs with fc1, too (no smp for my smp lab, remember?!). My issue is my personal experience with fedora, nothing but. I don't dispute that it is all fixable, I just, I dunno, lost enthusiasm for fedora. It might just be philosophical-- for example the very light knoppix based UNESCO (freeduc) ed. distro shows some interesting possibilities. But.. debian is not the only distro. If a deal with the devil is needed to get any linux into your system, the powers that be might be more easily mollified with SuSe. I guess I 've concluded that fedora is permanently "not ready for primetime" by design. This is not necessarily a bad thing, just something I don't feel like dealing with... like hours spent trying to get a display manager working -somebody probably should, but I sure don't enjoy it. -AF Shahms King wrote: >On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 12:25 -0800, Andrew wrote: > > >>I know redhat helped a lot with the early stages. But it seems that the >>fedora model just isn't right for k12ltsp. At this rate FC3 will be out >>by the time we have a reliable fc2.Wouldn't it make more sense to drop >>fedora? I did. Debian comes to mind, but for those of us living in >>netware systems maybe suse would be a good candidate? I don't mean to be >>a killjoy, but I haven't been comfortable with any of the 4.X k12ltsps, >>and I get the sense that the prob might be fedora itself. >> >> > >If you want to go with the Debian model, you're more than welcome to >stick with K12LTSP 2.x for the next few years. *ducks* > >It also depends on what you mean by "reliable" FC2. We've had much >fewer problems with the FC2 servers we have than the FC1 (and some of >the RH9 machines). Not to be rude, but your post seems to be a lot of >unfounded assertions about the unsuitability of Fedora for K12LTSP. If >you have some specific concerns that you'd like addressed, that's one >thing, but (as Eric pointed out) this has been discussed to death in the >past and things are not likely to change. I would also maintain that >there are few, if any, legitimate technical reasons for such a change. > >I know Eric had done some work on porting K12LTSP to WhiteBox/RHEL a >while ago, but I'm not sure how far that got. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 21 06:12:05 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:12:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <411ABF1F.4010709@hosef.org> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> <1092257920.17744.6.camel@server.ltsp> <411ABF1F.4010709@hosef.org> Message-ID: <4126E7B5.2080107@mtaonline.net> Sigh.. agreed about the k12ltsp people.. the project community is important, and terrific. I just feel like I'm watching a russian space launch when I use fedora, I guess. R. Scott Belford wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> Here is the link to my point-of-view, which has not changed much in >> the six months since I wrote this: >> >> http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-January/msg01337.html >> >> -Eric > > > Well said and a very sensible roadmap. The real thrill that I get > from this list is watching developers like yourself and Jim respond, > in real time, to end-users. By some definitions this is unstable. > From my experience, it is very responsive. > > In fairness to other K12 thin client projects, it is important to note > that Skolelinux > > http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/ > > is now based on Debian Testing, which goes stable next month. While > not quite as cutting edge, this solution is engineered for larger > installs needing roaming profiles and centralized authentication out > of the box. It is brilliant, and I am certain that their unification > with debian-edu will benefit all of us. > > Also, Harry of OSEF was using Debian unstable and the LTSP years ago > for thin clients. > > The bottom line is that OSS is all about choice, and we all have one. > It would be hard to find another distro, community, and team of > developers as diligent and focused as the K12LTSP. This project is > nearly magical at times. > > --scott > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 21 07:12:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 03:12:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience at Glenburn this week. In-Reply-To: References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <, > < > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <, > < > <, > < > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> <,> < > <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Thanks, I will try a different session type. So, are you finding a >noticeable speed increase with IceVM? We had a good time this week. But, >now I think I need to get better a tweaking the process. > >Our server is 2 xeon processors, somewhere over 2.5 gig, and 4 Gig of >memory., we had a lab of 28, a lab of 14, and a lab of 7 this week. Most >times we had about around 35-40 teachers on at the same time. For the >most part we go good performance. A couple of the major issues > >1) Occassional Lockups -- some of the orphan process variety, where if I >logged on as root, I could see the user's process, using the ps -u >username command and I could kill processes to get them unlocked >But the problem lockup was when I did a ps -u username command and nothing >showed, yet the user's station was locked up. At that point we did reboot >the specific client. But, while it wasn't terrible, we did get a couple >to 3 per 1 1/2 class session. And then sometimes we got a person who just >seemed to lock them up several machines in a row, and that was after I >check to see if they had active processes before they logged in again. Have you enabled "purge-users"? Go to /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux and run the gdm-kdm purge user script....also open it in a text editor and it will tell you that you need to go to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and change the line about purging users from "no" to "yes". It kills any remaining processes when a user logs off or when they do a terminal reboot. Very cool. We had a lengthy discussion about it and the list basically came up with it (with Eric's help of course) after trying several other "not-so-nice" methods. > > >2) Some slowdowns. We hit a wall today when we were teaching First Class, >I couldn't even log on the main server as root it go so slow. I had to >have one lab log off and just watch the instructor demonstrate. I wish >they would upgrade the Linux First Class beta client, wow is it buggy, but >our staff lives and dies by first class. And the web version is still >clunky. The web version of 8.0 is awesome...looks just like the client...you gotta' check it out! I agree...in 7.1 the web interface is clunky, but in 8.0 it's very slick. You have a desktop and everything! PS. Version 16 beta is less crash prone than version 17. > > >Maybe we should switch to icevm. I hate to switch the faculty after this >great week of work, but I guess they mostly use the education menu, Open >Office, mozilla and First class, so if I modify the IceVM menu to reflect >those, we would be in good shape. You can modify IceWM to your hearts content....use IceMC 'icemc" already should be installed. Disregard the first error message and navigate to /usr/share/icewm and edit the menu file. Very cool. I also like IceCC or icecc google and download it....it too is slick. > > >other "best practices" tips to improve server performance. Use gigabit! Do you have gigabit cards in the server? If not you NEED them. Are you coming out of the server and into a gigabit switch? If not you NEED to! The difference is astronomical! Amer.com has great deals on gig switches and gig uplink switches.....I use several of the SR24G2 switches. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From fhkms at adelphia.net Sat Aug 21 11:20:35 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 7:20:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus Message-ID: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> How do I access nautilus? I do not recall seeing it in the start menu/programs on my Gnome desktop. Do I open a terminal window, type in su -, log in as root, and then type in nautilus? It would be great to just have a icon on the teachers desktop so they could create tests with keduca and drag/drop to students folders. Thanks! From ybjones at one.net Sat Aug 21 12:31:40 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:31:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20040821122455.MXBB21989.gx6.fuse.net@malachi> I am going to be setting up a Linux terminal server for a charter school here in Cincinnati. The idea has been extremely well received by the school administrator. We will already have a DHCP, DNS, and Internet gateway in place before setting up the terminal server so is there any reason that I shouldn't set up the Linux terminal server on the same network and use my existing DHCP and DNS servers? I will also want to give students/teachers access to their files whether they log into a Windows box or Linux terminal - any HOWTO's for this come to mind? -Yancey From jkinz at kinz.org Sat Aug 21 15:43:40 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:43:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to remove blackjack from student computers? In-Reply-To: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_>; from edwardsj@leonardisd.net on Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 08:08:30PM -0500 References: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: <20040821114340.A2925@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 08:08:30PM -0500, Jerome Edwards wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to remove blackjack and poker from K12LTSP 4.1.0? I > looked but didn?t see them in the add/remove program. Our principals are > requiring the games be removed or we have to cancel using K12LTSP. What Wm are you using, GNOME ,KDE, or ICEWM? Hint: the correct answer is "ICEWM" (As in ICEWM is the easiest to configure the menues in so that the blackjack and poker games are not choices) Best approach - use the menu editor for your WM to remove the choice from the menu's before any user's are added. If you have already added user's home directories then you may have to do it for every user (blecch). One way to do it for all WM's is to locate the executable programs and simply delete the files, or rename them to something else. This will fix it for all current and future desktops of user's added to the system as well You could even replace them with a shell script that says those games are not allowed. For example: ----------------------------- cut here ---------------------------- #!/bin/bash DIALOG="Xdialog --icon \"warning.xpm\" --timeout 10 --screen-center --wrap --title \"student Station\"" $DIALOG --backtitle "program not allowed " \ --infobox "The program $0 is not allowed this workstation" 10 60 10000 & ----------------------------- cut here ---------------------------- -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jkinz at kinz.org Sat Aug 21 17:08:06 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:08:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040821122455.MXBB21989.gx6.fuse.net@malachi>; from ybjones@one.net on Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 08:31:40AM -0400 References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <20040821122455.MXBB21989.gx6.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <20040821130806.B2312@redline.comcast.net> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 08:31:40AM -0400, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > I am going to be setting up a Linux terminal server for a charter school > here in Cincinnati. The idea has been extremely well received by the school > administrator. We will already have a DHCP, DNS, and Internet gateway in > place before setting up the terminal server so is there any reason that I > shouldn't set up the Linux terminal server on the same network and use my > existing DHCP and DNS servers? I will also want to give students/teachers > access to their files whether they log into a Windows box or Linux terminal > - any HOWTO's for this come to mind? TC's (Thin Clients) use a lot of bandwidth between themselves and their respective LTSP server. You should definitely think about having your TC's on a separate LAN segment with their server. The server can act as a gateway to the rest of the LAN by giving it two NIC's. This will reduce the load on the rest of your LAN by moving all the TC specific traffic off of it onto this separate network segment. This will also eliminate the confusion between your LTSP server trying to act as DHCP server for your TC's at the same time your original DHCP server is trying to do the same thing. Since the k12ltsp distro is setup to have the LTSP server be the dhcp server for the TC's this will make your life easier as well. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 21 17:15:59 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:15:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <4126E4AC.2030303@mtaonline.net> References: <33528.10.10.10.100.1092233674.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1092240556.2591.85.camel@server.ltsp> <411A80D7.1020106@mtaonline.net> <1092257920.17744.6.camel@server.ltsp> <4126E4AC.2030303@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1093108559.15963.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 00:59, Andrew wrote: > I read the Jan. thread. Swtiched to fc2. not a good result. I understand > the problem--the need for the latest and greatest, etc... > But I also get kinda peeved when my lab locks up. Is someone keeping a list of what hardware fails with what kernel or X versions? The problems really are tied to specific hardware. I have machines (including smp) that have been running fc2 since the test2 version and never crash, but I also have machines that won't install fc2 and some that will run fc2 but not fc1. These are basically kernel/driver issues with hardware and a matter of timing when the releases are cut more than anything fedora-specific. Some hardware needs the new drivers and bug fixes in the new kernels but unfortunately they sometimes introduce new problems. My advice is to spend some of the money you save on software licenses and support on a spare server with identical hardware so you can load and test new versions before putting them in production, or if you really don't want to do anything experimental, copy a known-working setup using the same hardware and software versions. Speaking of hardware problems, does anyone have firewire drives working with FC2? They were disabled in the release kernel but update kernels have the support modules and seem to recognize devices. I just haven't been able to make a drive work. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 21 18:40:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:40:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus In-Reply-To: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <41279701.1090800@cmosnetworks.com> Will Hatch wrote: >How do I access nautilus? I do not recall seeing it in the start menu/programs on my Gnome desktop. Do I open a terminal window, type in su -, log in as root, and then type in nautilus? It would be great to just have a icon on the teachers desktop so they could create tests with keduca and drag/drop to students folders. Thanks! > Here's how. Click the Red Hat icon (your "Start" button), choose Run Program (or "Run" on KDE), and type "nautilus". Should pop right up. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Sat Aug 21 19:24:21 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Pat Healy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:24:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to remove blackjack from student computers? Message-ID: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F16@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> Jerome -- IIRC, this worked reasonably well for me on 4.0.1: http://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-February/msg00064.html Probably needs some tweaking for FC2, and I never did add any users back into the games group, so don't know if that would be a security issue. -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School ==================== Can anyone tell me how to remove blackjack and poker from K12LTSP 4.1.0? I looked but didn?t see them in the add/remove program. Our principals are requiring the games be removed or we have to cancel using K12LTSP. Thanks for your help. Jerome Edwards Leonard ISD From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 21 19:31:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:31:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus In-Reply-To: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1093116675.16115.87.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 06:20, Will Hatch wrote: > How do I access nautilus? I do not recall seeing it in the > start menu/programs on my Gnome desktop. Do I open a terminal > window, type in su -, log in as root, and then type in nautilus? > It would be great to just have a icon on the teachers desktop > so they could create tests with keduca and drag/drop to students > folders. Thanks! It is the native file manger for the gnome desktop. Double-click the 'home' folder icon and you are running nautilus. But if you are going to do this often, wouldn't it be better to write a little script that takes the file name as an option and copies it to all the right places? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ybjones at one.net Sat Aug 21 20:04:39 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:04:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040821130806.B2312@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> > TC's (Thin Clients) use a lot of bandwidth between themselves > and their respective LTSP server. > > You should definitely think about having your TC's on a > separate LAN segment with their server. The server can act > as a gateway to the rest of the LAN by giving it two NIC's. > > This will reduce the load on the rest of your LAN by moving > all the TC specific traffic off of it onto this separate > network segment. I have installed gigabit switches on each floor with full compliance CAT5E cable running to the server room. We are looking at about 50-75 thin clients spread throughout the school. I can add separate switches if necessary, I just want to make sure that it is necessary before I ask for them. The entire network will consist of approximately 100 Windows XP Pro clients for students, 50 Windows clients for teachers/staff, and eventually about 75 thin clients. The thin clients will be in "clusters" of 3-4 and I am planning on using a 5-port 10/100 switch at each "cluster" to reduce the number of cable runs. This is a price issue as well due to the length of the runs - plenum rated cable is pretty expensive compared to a 5-port switch. There will also be a thin client lab and 2 windows labs which will each have their own 10/100 switch with a gigabit uplink to the server room. So each floor and big lab will have a gigabit uplink to the 2 domain servers - Intel Xenon, 1GB RAM, 2x36GB U320 mirrord, 3x75 U320 RAID-5, gigabit LAN. I am thinking that the specs for the LTSP server(s) will be dual Xenon, 4GB RAM, 2x36GB U320, gigabit LAN. We will install one LTSP server at first, when we reach capacity on that one then we will put a second one in. Will a need a separate network for each LTSP server or can the be load balanced somehow? Thanks, Yancey From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Sat Aug 21 20:07:07 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Pat Healy) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:07:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues Message-ID: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Les wrote: Is someone keeping a list of what hardware fails with what kernel or X versions? The problems really are tied to specific hardware. ================== Probably should add Intel 8x0 sound to the failure list. I did a fresh install with 4.1.0 and the server still locked up on every logout from the console GUI. I suspect this applies: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123631 Don't know for sure that was the culprit -- but I did experience similar problems with the onboard sound card not being detected correctly. Thank goodness for full backups. -- I'm back to 3.1.2 and all's fine. -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 21 20:28:58 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:28:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040821130806.B2312@redline.comcast.net> References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <20040821122455.MXBB21989.gx6.fuse.net@malachi> <20040821130806.B2312@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4127B08A.5000203@cmosnetworks.com> Jeff Kinz wrote: >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 08:31:40AM -0400, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > >>I am going to be setting up a Linux terminal server for a charter school >>here in Cincinnati. The idea has been extremely well received by the school >>administrator. We will already have a DHCP, DNS, and Internet gateway in >>place before setting up the terminal server so is there any reason that I >>shouldn't set up the Linux terminal server on the same network and use my >>existing DHCP and DNS servers? I will also want to give students/teachers >>access to their files whether they log into a Windows box or Linux terminal >>- any HOWTO's for this come to mind? >> >> > > >TC's (Thin Clients) use a lot of bandwidth between themselves and their >respective LTSP server. > >You should definitely think about having your TC's on a separate LAN >segment with their server. The server can act as a gateway to the rest >of the LAN by giving it two NIC's. > >This will reduce the load on the rest of your LAN by moving all the TC >specific traffic off of it onto this separate network segment. > > >This will also eliminate the confusion between your LTSP server trying >to act as DHCP server for your TC's at the same time your original >DHCP server is trying to do the same thing. > >Since the k12ltsp distro is setup to have the LTSP server be the dhcp >server for the TC's this will make your life easier as well. > > > Depends. "Layer 8" might end up getting in the way. If his district is anything like mine, there is exactly *one* DHCP server allowed on any school's LAN. Fortunately, in my case, I control it. :-) However, it did put me in a similar situation of running a K12LTSP server on the same LAN as the Windows LAN. Turns out that, on a switched network, the bandwidth issue raised above is not a problem. Remember that switched networks allow point-to-point communications, so the Windows boxes will never see all that X11 traffic between the thin clients and the server. This has been my experience. Just make sure that your client NICs and your switches support autonegotiating to 100Mb/FullDuplex (virtually all do these days), and don't lock down any of those ports to 100/Full--let them autonegotiate normally (virtually always the default). It's a lot easier, believe me. Here's how to do it. Build your server with a single NIC (needs to be Gig-E). If your motherboard comes w/ two NICs, pick the Gig-E one. CAUTION: Do *NOT* connect this server to the network yet; you will hose the entire LAN (you'll find out why here in a minute). Install K12LTSP as you normally would, making sure that eth0 is the Gig-E NIC. So far, so good. Go through your reboot procedure, make your non-root userID like you always should, and then turn off DHCP on the K12LTSP server. How do we do this, you ask? Here's how. microman at multimedia:~$ su root Password: root at multimedia:/home/microman# /sbin/service dhcpd stop root at multimedia:/home/microman# chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd off root at multimedia:/home/microman# exit microman at multimedia:~$ Now that you've turned off that DHCP server, go ahead and connect your new K12LTSP server to the LAN. If you had hooked up your server beforehand, you'd have had a DHCP server giving out possibly incorrect IP addresses for your school's IP subnet to the Windows boxes! For example, my schools run 10.x.x.x addresses. Handing out 192.168's (K12LTSP's default) to the Windows boxen on the LAN would not be received well. I made that mistake once w/ a DHCP server about four years ago. Took down nearly the entire office. Oops. Of course, now we have to tweak the existing DHCP server to hand out the TFTP boot and the NFS pivot-root directories. How, you ask? Well, on my LANs, we use Cisco routers as the DHCP servers, and here is the config I use here at home: ip dhcp excluded-address 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.10 ip dhcp excluded-address 192.168.0.250 192.168.0.255 ! ip dhcp pool InsideAddresses network 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 bootfile lts/vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp next-server 192.168.0.254 default-router 192.168.0.1 dns-server 192.168.0.254 198.6.1.3 domain-name cmosnetworks.com option 17 ascii "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386" ! These same parameters need to go on your DHCP server, whatever it is. "Option 17", BTW, is the DHCP option (I had to specify the raw option number) in which you tell your thin clients your NFS path, a.k.a. your "root" path. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 21 20:32:26 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:32:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <4127B15A.8040509@cmosnetworks.com> Yancey B. Jones wrote: >>TC's (Thin Clients) use a lot of bandwidth between themselves >>and their respective LTSP server. >> >>You should definitely think about having your TC's on a >>separate LAN segment with their server. The server can act >>as a gateway to the rest of the LAN by giving it two NIC's. >> >>This will reduce the load on the rest of your LAN by moving >>all the TC specific traffic off of it onto this separate >>network segment. >> >> > >I have installed gigabit switches on each floor with full compliance CAT5E >cable running to the server room. We are looking at about 50-75 thin clients >spread throughout the school. I can add separate switches if necessary, I >just want to make sure that it is necessary before I ask for them. The >entire network will consist of approximately 100 Windows XP Pro clients for >students, 50 Windows clients for teachers/staff, and eventually about 75 >thin clients. > >The thin clients will be in "clusters" of 3-4 and I am planning on using a >5-port 10/100 switch at each "cluster" to reduce the number of cable runs. >This is a price issue as well due to the length of the runs - plenum rated >cable is pretty expensive compared to a 5-port switch. There will also be a >thin client lab and 2 windows labs which will each have their own 10/100 >switch with a gigabit uplink to the server room. > >So each floor and big lab will have a gigabit uplink to the 2 domain servers >- Intel Xenon, 1GB RAM, 2x36GB U320 mirrord, 3x75 U320 RAID-5, gigabit LAN. >I am thinking that the specs for the LTSP server(s) will be dual Xenon, 4GB >RAM, 2x36GB U320, gigabit LAN. We will install one LTSP server at first, >when we reach capacity on that one then we will put a second one in. Will a >need a separate network for each LTSP server or can the be load balanced >somehow? > >Thanks, >Yancey > Do your switches support 802.1Q VLANs and VLAN advertisement (VTP or GVRP)? If so, then you might consider using port-based VLANs with your K12LTSP setup. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From ybjones at one.net Sat Aug 21 20:45:39 2004 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:45:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <4127B15A.8040509@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20040821203858.OKLE17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> > Do your switches support 802.1Q VLANs and VLAN advertisement (VTP or > GVRP)? If so, then you might consider using port-based VLANs > with your > K12LTSP setup. They do not. My initial thought is that I have enough bandwidth capability - however, I do not know what kind of a load that I will experience at any given time. I can always separate them later since I ran two uplink cables from the server room to each closet. -Yancey From haysja at sages.us Sat Aug 21 20:46:30 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:46:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040821203858.OKLE17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040821203858.OKLE17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1093121190.4127b4a6c82e0@sages.us> If you have the cabling, I would separate the K12LTSP network from the rest of the school's network and run 2 NICs on the server. I echo the Gig comments. Set the "public" side of your server to a static IP on your network (10.x.x.x?) and allow the "private" side to dole out IPs via DHCP (192.168.0.x). It is easier to separate the K12LTSP network. If you can isolate the K12LTSP from the rest of the network, do so. This is how I do it and it works very well for us. Quoting "Yancey B. Jones" : > > Do your switches support 802.1Q VLANs and VLAN advertisement (VTP or > > GVRP)? If so, then you might consider using port-based VLANs > > with your > > K12LTSP setup. > > They do not. My initial thought is that I have enough bandwidth capability > - > however, I do not know what kind of a load that I will experience at any > given time. I can always separate them later since I ran two uplink cables > from the server room to each closet. > > -Yancey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 21 21:54:28 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:54:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> Has anyone tried skolelinux 1.0? I am dling now. It looks lighter than k12ltsp, which could be useful. The idea of a light core with add-on modules appeals to me. Any look at freeduc for this sort of thing? I am not suggesting any is better, but that there are a few ways to look at an educational thin client/linux environment. Re the hardware issues..... I had failing hardware on my initial install of fc1, on my upgrade to fc2 on my personal box, an nforce2. Non-k12ltsp fedora provided me with these issues...and my by now boring disl.ike of fedora. -AF Pat Healy wrote: >On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Les wrote: > >Is someone keeping a list of what hardware fails with what >kernel or X versions? The problems really are tied to >specific hardware. > >================== > >Probably should add Intel 8x0 sound to the failure list. >I did a fresh install with 4.1.0 and the server still locked up >on every logout from the console GUI. I suspect this applies: > >http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123631 > >Don't know for sure that was the culprit -- but I did experience similar >problems with the onboard sound card not being detected correctly. > >Thank goodness for full backups. -- I'm back to 3.1.2 and all's fine. > >-- Pat Healy >Palm Desert High School > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 21 21:52:52 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:52:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> References: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> Message-ID: <1093125172.16850.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 15:04, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > I have installed gigabit switches on each floor with full compliance CAT5E > cable running to the server room. We are looking at about 50-75 thin clients > spread throughout the school. I can add separate switches if necessary, I > just want to make sure that it is necessary before I ask for them. The > entire network will consist of approximately 100 Windows XP Pro clients for > students, 50 Windows clients for teachers/staff, and eventually about 75 > thin clients. Gig uplinks from the server and a gig backbone across switches sounds like enough. The client nics will probably be 100M anyway. > The thin clients will be in "clusters" of 3-4 and I am planning on using a > 5-port 10/100 switch at each "cluster" to reduce the number of cable runs. Still should be OK - at somewhere around 10 clients you might want a switch with a gig uplink. > We will install one LTSP server at first, > when we reach capacity on that one then we will put a second one in. Will a > need a separate network for each LTSP server or can the be load balanced > somehow? The 'thin client lab' might be the place to drop the 2nd server since it would be convenient to isolate that traffic with a 2-NIC setup and separate switch. Are you going to have a separate server for home directories? That way they could be samba-shared to the windows clients without additional load on the k12ltsp server and it will make it easy to add the 2nd ltsp server. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 21 22:48:16 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:48:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1093128496.16850.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:54, Andrew wrote: > I had failing hardware on my initial install > of fc1, on my upgrade to fc2 on my personal box, an nforce2. Non-k12ltsp > fedora provided me with these issues...and my by now boring disl.ike of > fedora. Yes, but hardware-related problems other than the ones triggered by kudzu's probing aren't really fedora issues, they are just coincidental based on the kernel release that happened around the same time. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Sat Aug 21 23:17:36 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:17:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding Chinese language fonts Message-ID: <20040821231736.24312.qmail@hoster900.com> Hi all, Please forgive me if this is something totally obvious... I haven't my K12LTSP server in front of me to try to muck around and find it myself... And I'm a bit of a newbie with Linux anyway. I would like to install Chinese language characters (both simplified and traditional, if possible) to be default on one user account on the K12LTSP system. I know how to switch languages and make it default from the login screen, but it appears as though I don't have either set of fonts installed. How exactly do I do that? Is there an RPM I can get that will handle this? Any additional steps? I use SuSE at home, and it's *just* different enough from Fedora that I'm fumbling a bit with the control panel. take care Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun Aug 22 00:35:52 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:35:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1093128496.16850.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <1093128496.16850.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4127EA68.6020300@mtaonline.net> Are you saying that fedora is distributed with a Linus kernel? I understood that it was pretty heavily tweaked by redhat--which might indeed make the problem fedora-centric- and this sort of thing would be consonant with the "test-bed" aspect of fedora. Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:54, Andrew wrote: > > > >>I had failing hardware on my initial install >>of fc1, on my upgrade to fc2 on my personal box, an nforce2. Non-k12ltsp >>fedora provided me with these issues...and my by now boring disl.ike of >>fedora. >> >> > >Yes, but hardware-related problems other than the ones triggered >by kudzu's probing aren't really fedora issues, they are just >coincidental based on the kernel release that happened around >the same time. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Aug 22 00:36:58 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:36:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <4127EA68.6020300@mtaonline.net> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <1093128496.16850.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4127EA68.6020300@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <4127EAAA.4090707@cmosnetworks.com> Yes, the Fedora version of the Linux kernel is quite severely tweaked. This is in line with both the experimental nature of Fedora itself and the fact that RHEL has a very severely tweaked 2.4 kernel. Someone on the list named Mella, who was experiencing SMP problems, said earlier on the list that she D/L'd the official Linus kernel and compiled it, and her SMP problems went away. Personally, I still use K12LTSP 2.1.2 in my school, and I run 3.1.2 at home (yes, both have their patches). So far, so good. The reason I stay with these "old" versions is that they work and people are happy with them. Nobody's pointing a gun to anybody's head to run Fedora if they don't wish to; it's a choice that the individual sysadmin needs to make. That said, Eric does need testers, so those of us with a spare server (my spare just went into production last month), and the time, should indeed test it. --TP Andrew wrote: > Are you saying that fedora is distributed with a Linus kernel? I > understood that it was pretty heavily tweaked by redhat--which might > indeed make the problem fedora-centric- and this sort of thing would > be consonant with the "test-bed" aspect of fedora. > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:54, Andrew wrote: >> >> >> >>> I had failing hardware on my initial install of fc1, on my upgrade >>> to fc2 on my personal box, an nforce2. Non-k12ltsp fedora provided >>> me with these issues...and my by now boring disl.ike of fedora. >>> >> >> >> Yes, but hardware-related problems other than the ones triggered >> by kudzu's probing aren't really fedora issues, they are just >> coincidental based on the kernel release that happened around >> the same time. >> --- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 22 01:20:34 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:20:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] david trask- ldap account manager Message-ID: <200408220128.i7M1Sm811614@downeast.net> david:john terpstra has nice article in laest linux journal on lam...loooks pretty neat..might be worht looking int..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, August 20, 2004 at 7:39 PM +0000 wrote: > >you uncomment the line rcfile06 = floppyd > >or something close to that in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?? > > > >--huck > Hi Shane! > > True...uncomment the line that Huck mentioned above and reboot the clients > (and maybe the server) ....it does work as I've used it. As for > sound...that can be trickier depending on the client. What are they > running for a sound card? First of all, in lts.conf....make sure SOUND > = Y set the volume up a bit to around 100....you may need to uncomment > the SMODULE line for ISA cards. Generally doesn't hurt to uncomment > anyway....I do. Also...I'm finding that sound in 4.1 is only working well > in IceWM. It doesn't work in GNOME...and I'm not complaining because we > don't want to use GNOME....too slow. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 22 02:53:34 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:53:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <4127EA68.6020300@mtaonline.net> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <1093128496.16850.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4127EA68.6020300@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1093143214.6471.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 19:35, Andrew wrote: > Are you saying that fedora is distributed with a Linus kernel? I > understood that it was pretty heavily tweaked by redhat--which might > indeed make the problem fedora-centric- and this sort of thing would be > consonant with the "test-bed" aspect of fedora. It is tweaked, but generally by back-porting features from newer kernel revs, not introducing something new and fedora-specific. The idea is that it should be more tested/stable than running the whole kernel version where the needed features were included. Sometimes that might even be true. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Aug 22 03:21:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:21:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] david trask- ldap account manager In-Reply-To: <200408220128.i7M1Sm811614@downeast.net> References: <200408220128.i7M1Sm811614@downeast.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info on the lam article...I'll check it out....I've had my eye on it, but never tried it...now maybe I will! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Aug 22 04:33:19 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:33:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 21, 2004 at 5:54 PM +0000 wrote: >Has anyone tried skolelinux 1.0? I am dling now. It looks lighter than >k12ltsp, which could be useful. The idea of a light core with add-on >modules appeals to me. Any look at freeduc for this sort of thing? I am >not suggesting any is better, but that there are a few ways to look at >an educational thin client/linux environment. >Re the hardware issues..... I had failing hardware on my initial install >of fc1, on my upgrade to fc2 on my personal box, an nforce2. Non-k12ltsp >fedora provided me with these issues...and my by now boring disl.ike of >fedora. First of all, I'm not an advocate of buying pre-built servers. That being said...I did buy my current K12LTSP servers from Daktech....because I had the money and I didn't want to frig with it....I had enough on my plate. BUT...what I'm noticing is this. My servers are very much brand name whiteboxes.....all Intel guts...Seagate or IBM SCSI HD's....Xeon's....etc....etc. Dual processors....built in sound (not that sound matters on a server)...built in video....one with built-in dual gig nics...and one with one 10/100 and one gig nic built-in....so I had an Intel gig nic added as well. I can say that I have had absolutely NO hardware related problems with FC1 or FC2. I've been running both on various servers... most are similar to what I've described above and ....no issues at all. I'm wondering (and please don't kill me for this)....if some folks are dealing with off-brand hardware or too much hardware (aka better video cards than necessary in a server....etc. That are causing these issues. I'm not saying that these issues should be overlooked in development or anything like that, but in order to stabilize your own environment for the time being.... A week ago I was in Exeter, NH USA helping the tech folks for SAU 16 schools build their new K12LTSP and Samba/LDAP servers along with several E-Smith/SME servers. They bought and built some really nice servers (SuperMicro I believe)....but they bought the pieces and assembled the servers. I did notice that the guts were brand name in nature....Intel stuff and so forth....I loaded K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2 with no issues at all. Steve Kossakoski (on this list) can provide more detail as he is the Assistant Superintendent in charge of technology for that district and a big linux advocate. The servers were very impressive and very inexpensive considering what they got. Speed wise....WOW! Very slick! Lastly....would it be possible to package a version of K12LTSP 4.1 based on the Linus kernel as opposed to the Redhat influenced kernel? Then we could do some head to head testing...OR if someone could post a thorough HOW-TO on the wiki or something as to how to acquire and compile and thus use the Linus kernel on our K12LTSP 4.1 systems (make very thorough as many of us have never compiled a kernel...myself included and have no idea where to start....don't assume we know ANYTHING) ;-) That's my $.02 PS. School starts in a little over a week....that's when my new FC2 based Samba-LDAP server and K12LTSP 4.1 server will begin to get a real workout....I'll keep ya'll posted...wish me luck! (picture David with fingers crossed and furiously knocking on wood) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From pfaffman at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 08:13:47 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:13:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to remove blackjack from student computers? In-Reply-To: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_> References: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: <9326098004082201137b6e042e@mail.gmail.com> You could probably do it with synaptic & do a search for "game," but I'm a command-line guy. Here's how I'd approach the problem: Where is blackjack anyway? $which blackjack /usr/bin/blackjack OK. What package has blackjack? $rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/blackjack gnome-games-2.4.0-3 Got it. Now let's remove it: $rpm -e gnome-games On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:08:30 -0500 (CDT), Jerome Edwards wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to remove blackjack and poker from K12LTSP 4.1.0? I > looked but didn't see them in the add/remove program. Our principals are > requiring the games be removed or we have to cancel using K12LTSP. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 08:26:11 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 04:26:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> I'm profoundly lazy. Can't these things put themselves to sleep? Maybe not. If you turn on ssh on the clients & put a key in root's .ssh/authorized_keys file you could do something like this: for x in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ssh -l root 192.168.1.$x shutdown -h now; done Oh, wait. The clients don't run a ssh daemon. Another way would be to use cron, but the clients don't run cron either. You could make the clients run this stuff. Turning them on automatically might be possible with the machine'sBIOS. A simple solution would be to turn off the power to the circuits that the machines are plugged in to. It's not really necessary to do a clean shutdown. Just pull the plug or hit the power strip. On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:30:57 +0200, Immanuel Derks wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if anybody has already some experience with remotely powering > down/up of APCI capable thin clients. What do you need to enable this? > We have 60 Netier 1000XL on a site, and could save the librarian a lot > of work by getting this feature working. > > Kind regards, > Immanuel Derks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Sun Aug 22 08:58:34 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:58:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 22 Aug 2004 05:33, David Trask wrote: > Lastly....would it be possible to package a version of K12LTSP 4.1 based > on the Linus kernel as opposed to the Redhat influenced kernel? ?Then we > could do some head to head testing...OR if someone could post a thorough > HOW-TO on the wiki or something as to how to acquire and compile and thus > use the Linus kernel on our K12LTSP 4.1 systems (make very thorough as > many of us have never compiled a kernel...myself included and have no idea > where to start....don't assume we know ANYTHING) ?;-) ?That's my $.02 Are you confusing kernels here? They are one and the same, both "Linux kernels", but one is compiled to RH FC2 standards and one would be done by hand. What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1467 624141 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBKGA6eWseh9tzvqgRAs9GAJ4wMw9Dkm91Dg00fMLiKFI8tikteQCfeUzb 2ooIiHiUrw9g7rkUsVnwUuo= =5Dta -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 22 12:11:34 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:11:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 04:26:11AM -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I'm profoundly lazy. Can't these things put themselves to sleep? Maybe not. > > If you turn on ssh on the clients & put a key in root's > .ssh/authorized_keys file you could do something like this: > > for x in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ssh -l root 192.168.1.$x shutdown -h now; done > > Oh, wait. The clients don't run a ssh daemon. They will run sshd, if you enable LOCAL_APPS. But, there's an easier way. You can use ltspinfo and ltspinfod to do it for you. Starting with LTSP-4.0, we've got a daemon running on the client, waiting for something to do. It's called 'ltspinfod'. It was originally designed to answer questions about the client. For instance, the server can ask the client which sound daemon it is running, so that it knows how to setup the server-side stuff to send the sound stream to it. Well, ltspinfod has a couple of other features too. 1) It can do a shutdown or a reboot of a terminal. 2) It can read things from the /proc filesystem. Both of those features are disabled by default, but it's really easy to enable them. In lts.conf, the following entries control ltspfinod: ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y ALLOW_PROCREAD = Y If you want to allow a remote shutdown and/or reboot to happen, then set ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y (the default is N). Then, to actually get the server to send the shutdown/reboot message to the client, you'd use the 'ltspinfo' script to do that. It's installed on the server, in the /usr/sbin directory. To run it, try something like this: /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --shutdown (or --reboot) If your terminals are fairly new hardware, with apm stuff in the bios, it should actually shut down the client. If the terminal doesn't have an apm bios, it will kill the processes, but then just sit there. If you want to read something from the /proc filesystem, you'd use the '--proc' arg to ltspinfo. For example, if you want to read /proc/meminfo on the client, to see info about the terminals memory, you'd do this: /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --proc=meminfo Notice I removed the leading '/proc' from the --proc arg. That's because the ltspinfod, running on the client will do a fork and a chroot() into the /proc directory. This is to prevent someone from reading anything else in the client filesystem. This is for security purposes. As we work on getting kerberos and other security measures in place, we need to make sure nobody can grab private keys and such. If you want to use ltspinfod for what it was originally designed for, you can use it like so; /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --cfg=XSERVER Or, pretty much any other parameter from lts.conf can be used in the --cfg entry. you can also use --cfg=all that will retrieve all of the parameters from the workstation. Anyway, I hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at ltsp.org > > Another way would be to use cron, but the clients don't run cron either. > > You could make the clients run this stuff. Turning them on > automatically might be possible with the machine'sBIOS. > > A simple solution would be to turn off the power to the circuits that > the machines are plugged in to. It's not really necessary to do a > clean shutdown. Just pull the plug or hit the power strip. > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:30:57 +0200, Immanuel Derks > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I wonder if anybody has already some experience with remotely powering > > down/up of APCI capable thin clients. What do you need to enable this? > > We have 60 Netier 1000XL on a site, and could save the librarian a lot > > of work by getting this feature working. > > > > Kind regards, > > Immanuel Derks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > Jay Pfaffman > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 22 12:05:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:05:02 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows Message-ID: <200408221213.i7MCDDO03656@downeast.net> fwiw.. i Really like alternate dhcp as a dsolution.one nic....completely transparent to windows...ltsp available at all terminals in a variety of ways (web based from mac or windows....straightup ltsp)chuck > I am going to be setting up a Linux terminal server for a charter school > here in Cincinnati. The idea has been extremely well received by the school > administrator. We will already have a DHCP, DNS, and Internet gateway in > place before setting up the terminal server so is there any reason that I > shouldn't set up the Linux terminal server on the same network and use my > existing DHCP and DNS servers? I will also want to give students/teachers > access to their files whether they log into a Windows box or Linux terminal > - any HOWTO's for this come to mind? > > -Yancey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Aug 22 15:05:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:05:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <200408221213.i7MCDDO03656@downeast.net> References: <200408221213.i7MCDDO03656@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I will also want to give students/teachers >> access to their files whether they log into a Windows box or Linux >terminal >> - any HOWTO's for this come to mind? Two possibilities one is http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.pdf another is to simply make the K12ltsp box into the domain controller as well and allow the Windows clients...which will be part of the domain to access via Samba....ths they can access the Linux box that way. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Aug 22 15:07:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:07:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> < > <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> < > <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Are you confusing kernels here? They are one and the same, both "Linux >kernels", but one is compiled to RH FC2 standards and one would be done >by >hand. What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? It was not a typo....I said "Linus kernel" not Linux kernel. Thus what we were talking about earlier in the thread is using the "unaltered" kernel in it's "virgin" form rather than the altered Redhat one. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 22 12:13:45 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:13:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <20040822121345.GB32710@mcquil.com> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 09:58:34AM +0100, Gavin Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 22 Aug 2004 05:33, David Trask wrote: > > Lastly....would it be possible to package a version of K12LTSP 4.1 based > > on the Linus kernel as opposed to the Redhat influenced kernel? ?Then we > > could do some head to head testing...OR if someone could post a thorough > > HOW-TO on the wiki or something as to how to acquire and compile and thus > > use the Linus kernel on our K12LTSP 4.1 systems (make very thorough as > > many of us have never compiled a kernel...myself included and have no idea > > where to start....don't assume we know ANYTHING) ?;-) ?That's my $.02 > > Are you confusing kernels here? They are one and the same, both "Linux > kernels", but one is compiled to RH FC2 standards and one would be done by > hand. What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? Actually, the kernels are quite different. There are the kernels that ship with Fedora. These have a boat load of patches supplied by redhat. Then, there is the plain vanilla kernel, from ftp.kernel.org. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > - -- > Kind Regards, > > Gavin Henry. > Managing Director. > > T +44 (0) 1467 624141 > M +44 (0) 7930 323266 > F +44 (0) 1224 742001 > E ghenry at suretecsystems.com > > Open Source. Open Solutions. > > http://www.suretecsystems.com/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBKGA6eWseh9tzvqgRAs9GAJ4wMw9Dkm91Dg00fMLiKFI8tikteQCfeUzb > 2ooIiHiUrw9g7rkUsVnwUuo= > =5Dta > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 22 01:48:26 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:48:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <1093125172.16850.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> <1093125172.16850.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040822014826.GA23490@mcquil.com> guys, Don't lose sight of the fact that one of the important things to think about is "Expected level of performance". I'm seeing recommendations of gigabit uplinks for more than 10 clients. I've got 140 thin clients on a single network. about 60 of those are running at 10 mbit/sec, while the rest are running at 100 mbit/sec. No gigabit, anywhere on the network. And...... The performance is fine. They aren't running fancy multimedia apps, but they are doing OpenOffice and Mozilla, and a bunch of Xterms. Now granted, this is a business installation, and schools are a bit more demanding, but it is still amazing how many thin clients you can run with fairly modest hardware and networking infrastructure. If you are in a position where you are starting out with all new equipment, then you might as well go for the gigabit network. But, if cost is really an issue, and you are using existing hardware, don't be afraid to just set it up and use it. The performance will likely be adequate. In most cases, people are plenty happy to have any computers at all, even if they aren't the fastest computers available. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:52:52PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 15:04, Yancey B. Jones wrote: > > > I have installed gigabit switches on each floor with full compliance CAT5E > > cable running to the server room. We are looking at about 50-75 thin clients > > spread throughout the school. I can add separate switches if necessary, I > > just want to make sure that it is necessary before I ask for them. The > > entire network will consist of approximately 100 Windows XP Pro clients for > > students, 50 Windows clients for teachers/staff, and eventually about 75 > > thin clients. > > Gig uplinks from the server and a gig backbone across switches > sounds like enough. The client nics will probably be 100M > anyway. > > > The thin clients will be in "clusters" of 3-4 and I am planning on using a > > 5-port 10/100 switch at each "cluster" to reduce the number of cable runs. > > Still should be OK - at somewhere around 10 clients you might want > a switch with a gig uplink. > > > We will install one LTSP server at first, > > when we reach capacity on that one then we will put a second one in. Will a > > need a separate network for each LTSP server or can the be load balanced > > somehow? > > The 'thin client lab' might be the place to drop the 2nd server > since it would be convenient to isolate that traffic with a > 2-NIC setup and separate switch. Are you going to have a > separate server for home directories? That way they could be > samba-shared to the windows clients without additional load on > the k12ltsp server and it will make it easy to add the 2nd > ltsp server. > > ---- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From aaa at pacifier.com Sun Aug 22 18:39:15 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:39:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade GPG problems Message-ID: <4128E853.7020408@pacifier.com> I'm trying to upgrade from Beta 14 to the latest distribution of 4.1.0. I keep getting the following message: "This package is signed with an unknown GPG signiture. Continue?" I'v tried the following: rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/eharrison.asc From a root terminal window. When I do the import never finishes and the terminal window hangs. Can someone help ? Thanks, Duane Wilson From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Aug 23 13:46:37 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:46:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to K12LTSP 4.1.0 - User accounts and settings In-Reply-To: <20040822014826.GA23490@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <001701c48917$9d15ef10$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I have a small network 5 clients 11 users running K12LTSP 4.0.4 Now I have the K12LTSP CDS in front of me. I want to do a fresh install but I want to keep users settings, (desktop picutures taskbar etc) as well as their files. How do I do that? Do I just copy the whole home directory to another computer on the network and when I have finished copy it back again, or is their more to it than that? Do I have to recreate all the users? Or is there a file containing this info that I can just export and import? Krsnendu dasa From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Aug 22 19:18:21 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:18:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <20040822014826.GA23490@mcquil.com> References: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> <1093125172.16850.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040822014826.GA23490@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <4128F17D.8050600@cmosnetworks.com> Agreed. The problem here is when some teacher wants to use an application like TuxType or TuxMath, and we get to seeing that 73Mb of used bandwidth per workstation (my analysis results are in the archives--mid to late January 2004, I think). I agree that, for apps like OO.o and Web surfing, even 10Mb half-duplex is usable; I do this on old PMacs with KDE. However, anything that does a lot of screen updates is going to be brutal on 10Mb, possibly even unusable. Let's see...you're instructing fifteen 3rd or 4th graders with TuxType, times 73Mb/sec BW usage. That comes to 1,095Mb/sec, or just over 1Gb. Now I've got to remember that my computer labs have 25 or more stations in them. Yikes! As always, it depends on your application. In high schools, I don't see this issue mattering as much, more like a business. In elementary schools and some middle schools, though, it could. --TP Jim McQuillan wrote: >guys, Don't lose sight of the fact that one of the important things to >think about is "Expected level of performance". > >I'm seeing recommendations of gigabit uplinks for more than 10 clients. > >I've got 140 thin clients on a single network. about 60 of those are >running at 10 mbit/sec, while the rest are running at 100 mbit/sec. >No gigabit, anywhere on the network. > >And...... The performance is fine. They aren't running fancy multimedia >apps, but they are doing OpenOffice and Mozilla, and a bunch of Xterms. > >Now granted, this is a business installation, and schools are a bit more >demanding, but it is still amazing how many thin clients you can run >with fairly modest hardware and networking infrastructure. > >If you are in a position where you are starting out with all new >equipment, then you might as well go for the gigabit network. > >But, if cost is really an issue, and you are using existing hardware, >don't be afraid to just set it up and use it. The performance will >likely be adequate. > >In most cases, people are plenty happy to have any computers at all, >even if they aren't the fastest computers available. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > >On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:52:52PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > > >>On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 15:04, Yancey B. Jones wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have installed gigabit switches on each floor with full compliance CAT5E >>>cable running to the server room. We are looking at about 50-75 thin clients >>>spread throughout the school. I can add separate switches if necessary, I >>>just want to make sure that it is necessary before I ask for them. The >>>entire network will consist of approximately 100 Windows XP Pro clients for >>>students, 50 Windows clients for teachers/staff, and eventually about 75 >>>thin clients. >>> >>> >>Gig uplinks from the server and a gig backbone across switches >>sounds like enough. The client nics will probably be 100M >>anyway. >> >> >> >>>The thin clients will be in "clusters" of 3-4 and I am planning on using a >>>5-port 10/100 switch at each "cluster" to reduce the number of cable runs. >>> >>> >>Still should be OK - at somewhere around 10 clients you might want >>a switch with a gig uplink. >> >> >> >>>We will install one LTSP server at first, >>>when we reach capacity on that one then we will put a second one in. Will a >>>need a separate network for each LTSP server or can the be load balanced >>>somehow? >>> >>> >>The 'thin client lab' might be the place to drop the 2nd server >>since it would be convenient to isolate that traffic with a >>2-NIC setup and separate switch. Are you going to have a >>separate server for home directories? That way they could be >>samba-shared to the windows clients without additional load on >>the k12ltsp server and it will make it easy to add the 2nd >>ltsp server. >> >>---- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun Aug 22 19:40:09 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:40:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <4128F699.50904@mtaonline.net> David, the servers you just described equal my foreseeable budget til retirement. My IT people spend money like water on questionable commercial contracts (in my view) but the kind of "what the hell spend a few grand" attitude sure doesn't apply to me. David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Saturday, August 21, 2004 at 5:54 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>Has anyone tried skolelinux 1.0? I am dling now. It looks lighter than >>k12ltsp, which could be useful. The idea of a light core with add-on >>modules appeals to me. Any look at freeduc for this sort of thing? I am >>not suggesting any is better, but that there are a few ways to look at >>an educational thin client/linux environment. >>Re the hardware issues..... I had failing hardware on my initial install >>of fc1, on my upgrade to fc2 on my personal box, an nforce2. Non-k12ltsp >>fedora provided me with these issues...and my by now boring disl.ike of >>fedora. >> >> > >First of all, I'm not an advocate of buying pre-built servers. That being >said...I did buy my current K12LTSP servers from Daktech....because I had >the money and I didn't want to frig with it....I had enough on my plate. >BUT...what I'm noticing is this. My servers are very much brand name >whiteboxes.....all Intel guts...Seagate or IBM SCSI >HD's....Xeon's....etc....etc. Dual processors....built in sound (not that >sound matters on a server)...built in video....one with built-in dual gig >nics...and one with one 10/100 and one gig nic built-in....so I had an >Intel gig nic added as well. I can say that I have had absolutely NO >hardware related problems with FC1 or FC2. I've been running both on >various servers... most are similar to what I've described above and >....no issues at all. I'm wondering (and please don't kill me for >this)....if some folks are dealing with off-brand hardware or too much >hardware (aka better video cards than necessary in a server....etc. That >are causing these issues. I'm not saying that these issues should be >overlooked in development or anything like that, but in order to stabilize >your own environment for the time being.... > >A week ago I was in Exeter, NH USA helping the tech folks for SAU 16 >schools build their new K12LTSP and Samba/LDAP servers along with several >E-Smith/SME servers. They bought and built some really nice servers >(SuperMicro I believe)....but they bought the pieces and assembled the >servers. I did notice that the guts were brand name in nature....Intel >stuff and so forth....I loaded K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2 with no issues at >all. Steve Kossakoski (on this list) can provide more detail as he is the >Assistant Superintendent in charge of technology for that district and a >big linux advocate. The servers were very impressive and very inexpensive >considering what they got. Speed wise....WOW! Very slick! > >Lastly....would it be possible to package a version of K12LTSP 4.1 based >on the Linus kernel as opposed to the Redhat influenced kernel? Then we >could do some head to head testing...OR if someone could post a thorough >HOW-TO on the wiki or something as to how to acquire and compile and thus >use the Linus kernel on our K12LTSP 4.1 systems (make very thorough as >many of us have never compiled a kernel...myself included and have no idea >where to start....don't assume we know ANYTHING) ;-) That's my $.02 > >PS. School starts in a little over a week....that's when my new FC2 based >Samba-LDAP server and K12LTSP 4.1 server will begin to get a real >workout....I'll keep ya'll posted...wish me luck! (picture David with >fingers crossed and furiously knocking on wood) ;-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Sun Aug 22 20:15:39 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:15:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <4128F17D.8050600@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040821195757.OIKI17734.gx4.fuse.net@malachi> <1093125172.16850.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040822014826.GA23490@mcquil.com> <4128F17D.8050600@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4128FEEB.4080306@paasda.org> Yes... TuxMath is what I used to bring my network to a screeching halt on 25 machines... It became possible to do the square root, subtraction, multiplication, addition, division, of the 2 numbers floating down before they would crash into the city... that was fun none the less just to see how close to death the network would come... --Huck Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Agreed. > > The problem here is when some teacher wants to use an application like > TuxType or TuxMath, and we get to seeing that 73Mb of used bandwidth > per workstation (my analysis results are in the archives--mid to late > January 2004, I think). I agree that, for apps like OO.o and Web > surfing, even 10Mb half-duplex is usable; I do this on old PMacs with > KDE. However, anything that does a lot of screen updates is going to > be brutal on 10Mb, possibly even unusable. > > Let's see...you're instructing fifteen 3rd or 4th graders with > TuxType, times 73Mb/sec BW usage. That comes to 1,095Mb/sec, or just > over 1Gb. Now I've got to remember that my computer labs have 25 or > more stations in them. Yikes! > > As always, it depends on your application. In high schools, I don't > see this issue mattering as much, more like a business. In elementary > schools and some middle schools, though, it could. > > --TP > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> guys, Don't lose sight of the fact that one of the important things to >> think about is "Expected level of performance". >> >> I'm seeing recommendations of gigabit uplinks for more than 10 clients. >> >> I've got 140 thin clients on a single network. about 60 of those are >> running at 10 mbit/sec, while the rest are running at 100 mbit/sec. >> No gigabit, anywhere on the network. >> >> And...... The performance is fine. They aren't running fancy multimedia >> apps, but they are doing OpenOffice and Mozilla, and a bunch of Xterms. >> >> Now granted, this is a business installation, and schools are a bit more >> demanding, but it is still amazing how many thin clients you can run >> with fairly modest hardware and networking infrastructure. >> >> If you are in a position where you are starting out with all new >> equipment, then you might as well go for the gigabit network. >> >> But, if cost is really an issue, and you are using existing hardware, >> don't be afraid to just set it up and use it. The performance will >> likely be adequate. >> >> In most cases, people are plenty happy to have any computers at all, >> even if they aren't the fastest computers available. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:52:52PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: >> >> >>> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 15:04, Yancey B. Jones wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have installed gigabit switches on each floor with full >>>> compliance CAT5E >>>> cable running to the server room. We are looking at about 50-75 >>>> thin clients >>>> spread throughout the school. I can add separate switches if >>>> necessary, I >>>> just want to make sure that it is necessary before I ask for them. The >>>> entire network will consist of approximately 100 Windows XP Pro >>>> clients for >>>> students, 50 Windows clients for teachers/staff, and eventually >>>> about 75 >>>> thin clients. >>>> >>> >>> Gig uplinks from the server and a gig backbone across switches >>> sounds like enough. The client nics will probably be 100M >>> anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>>> The thin clients will be in "clusters" of 3-4 and I am planning on >>>> using a >>>> 5-port 10/100 switch at each "cluster" to reduce the number of >>>> cable runs. >>>> >>> >>> Still should be OK - at somewhere around 10 clients you might want >>> a switch with a gig uplink. >>> >>> >>> >>>> We will install one LTSP server at first, >>>> when we reach capacity on that one then we will put a second one >>>> in. Will a >>>> need a separate network for each LTSP server or can the be load >>>> balanced >>>> somehow? >>>> >>> >>> The 'thin client lab' might be the place to drop the 2nd server >>> since it would be convenient to isolate that traffic with a >>> 2-NIC setup and separate switch. Are you going to have a >>> separate server for home directories? That way they could be >>> samba-shared to the windows clients without additional load on >>> the k12ltsp server and it will make it easy to add the 2nd >>> ltsp server. >>> >>> ---- >>> Les Mikesell >>> les at futuresource.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Sun Aug 22 20:23:50 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:23:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <4128F699.50904@mtaonline.net> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <4128F699.50904@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <412900D6.5040505@paasda.org> for about $500 bucks I built out my 'pilot lab' server... it was a KT4V motherboard with an AMD 2000+ CPU and 1.5 gigs of RAM.. a 40 gig ide HD...and an intel 10/100 pro nic for eth0... It handled 20 stations FINE with absolutely no problems(after I configured the printer properly =), and that was with Gnome...(mind you I had to remove access to many of the bandwidth intensive programs) but for Web research and Word Processing...it hummed along quite nicely! then I got $3500 to build out my "Student Server" and bought dual xeon 3 ghz...4 gig of ram 4-36gig scsi hd's and an intel raid controller ...I don't regret spending that much...but if I didn't have it I would merely have built out 2 of the $500 boxes and put them in the ltsp labs... Also...I likely would have asked individuals if they would sponsor 1 piece of hardware...a CPU here...a stick of RAM there...a case over there... maybe a Hard Drive or two...and all of a sudden you have a nice nifty server! =) --Huck Andrew wrote: > David, the servers you just described equal my foreseeable budget til > retirement. My IT people spend money like water on questionable > commercial contracts (in my view) but the kind of "what the hell spend > a few grand" attitude sure doesn't apply to me. > David Trask wrote: > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Saturday, August 21, 2004 at 5:54 PM +0000 wrote: >> >> >>> Has anyone tried skolelinux 1.0? I am dling now. It looks lighter >>> than k12ltsp, which could be useful. The idea of a light core with >>> add-on modules appeals to me. Any look at freeduc for this sort of >>> thing? I am not suggesting any is better, but that there are a few >>> ways to look at an educational thin client/linux environment. >>> Re the hardware issues..... I had failing hardware on my initial >>> install of fc1, on my upgrade to fc2 on my personal box, an nforce2. >>> Non-k12ltsp fedora provided me with these issues...and my by now >>> boring disl.ike of fedora. >>> >> >> >> First of all, I'm not an advocate of buying pre-built servers. That >> being >> said...I did buy my current K12LTSP servers from Daktech....because I >> had >> the money and I didn't want to frig with it....I had enough on my >> plate. BUT...what I'm noticing is this. My servers are very much >> brand name >> whiteboxes.....all Intel guts...Seagate or IBM SCSI >> HD's....Xeon's....etc....etc. Dual processors....built in sound (not >> that >> sound matters on a server)...built in video....one with built-in dual >> gig >> nics...and one with one 10/100 and one gig nic built-in....so I had an >> Intel gig nic added as well. I can say that I have had absolutely NO >> hardware related problems with FC1 or FC2. I've been running both on >> various servers... most are similar to what I've described above and >> ....no issues at all. I'm wondering (and please don't kill me for >> this)....if some folks are dealing with off-brand hardware or too much >> hardware (aka better video cards than necessary in a server....etc. >> That >> are causing these issues. I'm not saying that these issues should be >> overlooked in development or anything like that, but in order to >> stabilize >> your own environment for the time being.... >> >> A week ago I was in Exeter, NH USA helping the tech folks for SAU 16 >> schools build their new K12LTSP and Samba/LDAP servers along with >> several >> E-Smith/SME servers. They bought and built some really nice servers >> (SuperMicro I believe)....but they bought the pieces and assembled the >> servers. I did notice that the guts were brand name in nature....Intel >> stuff and so forth....I loaded K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2 with no >> issues at >> all. Steve Kossakoski (on this list) can provide more detail as he >> is the >> Assistant Superintendent in charge of technology for that district and a >> big linux advocate. The servers were very impressive and very >> inexpensive >> considering what they got. Speed wise....WOW! Very slick! >> Lastly....would it be possible to package a version of K12LTSP 4.1 based >> on the Linus kernel as opposed to the Redhat influenced kernel? Then we >> could do some head to head testing...OR if someone could post a thorough >> HOW-TO on the wiki or something as to how to acquire and compile and >> thus >> use the Linus kernel on our K12LTSP 4.1 systems (make very thorough as >> many of us have never compiled a kernel...myself included and have no >> idea >> where to start....don't assume we know ANYTHING) ;-) That's my $.02 >> >> PS. School starts in a little over a week....that's when my new FC2 >> based >> Samba-LDAP server and K12LTSP 4.1 server will begin to get a real >> workout....I'll keep ya'll posted...wish me luck! (picture David with >> fingers crossed and furiously knocking on wood) ;-) >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 22 20:44:27 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:44:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience at Glenburn this week. In-Reply-To: References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <, > < > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <, > < > <, > < > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> <, > < > <, > Message-ID: <412905AB.5070806@earthlink.net> David Trask wrote: >>other "best practices" tips to improve server performance. >> >> > >Use gigabit! Do you have gigabit cards in the server? If not you NEED >them. Are you coming out of the server and into a gigabit switch? If not >you NEED to! The difference is astronomical! Amer.com has great deals on >gig switches and gig uplink switches.....I use several of the SR24G2 >switches. > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > We installed gigabit cards in our servers and the Amer.com (3 for the price of 2) gigabit switches connecting our two servers this summer. Tomorrow is our first day of school -- I sure hope (pray) it makes a difference! Also, we upgraded to the k12 on FC2. I am keeping my fingers cross that everything runs smoothly for the first week. Rita Gibson RMSEL From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 22 21:00:30 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:00:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <4128F699.50904@mtaonline.net> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <4128F699.50904@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1093208430.23780.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 14:40, Andrew wrote: > David, the servers you just described equal my foreseeable budget til > retirement. My IT people spend money like water on questionable > commercial contracts (in my view) but the kind of "what the hell spend a > few grand" attitude sure doesn't apply to me. How much do you expect to spend on the server side per station? What other people have described sounds like $100 - $150 to me. You might save something if you can scrounge an old but reliable box to use as a fileserver for home directories and several 'fast desktop' type boxes as k12ltsp servers with a small number of clients each. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aaa at pacifier.com Sun Aug 22 21:28:19 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:28:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade GPG problems In-Reply-To: <4128E853.7020408@pacifier.com> References: <4128E853.7020408@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <41290FF3.9@pacifier.com> Duane Wilson wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade from Beta 14 to the latest distribution of 4.1.0. > > I keep getting the following message: > "This package is signed with an unknown GPG signiture. Continue?" > > I'v tried the following: > rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/eharrison.asc > > From a root terminal window. When I do the import never finishes and > the terminal window hangs. > > Can someone help ? > > Thanks, > Duane Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Never mind. I figured it out bu using the k12ltsp.asc instead of eharrison.asc file. Duane From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Aug 22 21:57:16 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> Message-ID: <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Lewis Holcroft said: > I thought the yum daemon did that for you. In my experience, the yum daemon just does the updates. I'd rather just know the updates were needed, do them at my leisure, then restart services as needed. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From pfaffman at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 22:04:05 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:04:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to K12LTSP 4.1.0 - User accounts and settings In-Reply-To: <001701c48917$9d15ef10$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <001701c48917$9d15ef10$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <93260980040822150448b3a886@mail.gmail.com> Yes, you'll need to save /home & when you do the re-install, create a separate partiion for /home. That way you can just leave it in place for the next upgrade. I'm not sure why the default isn't to create a separate /home. Unless you want to re-create the accounts (and paswords), you'll want to save those too. it's a good idea to backup all of /etc/, but you'll probably need: passwd group shadow It's not quite as easy as that, because the new version will have some different system accounts, so you'll need to either add just the users >=500 to the new files or figure out which system accounts have been added/deleted or changed. On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:46:37 -0700, Krsnendu wrote: > I have a small network 5 clients 11 users running K12LTSP 4.0.4 Now I > have the K12LTSP CDS in front of me. I want to do a fresh install but I > want to keep users settings, (desktop picutures taskbar etc) as well as > their files. How do I do that? Do I just copy the whole home directory > to another computer on the network and when I have finished copy it back > again, or is their more to it than that? Do I have to recreate all the > users? Or is there a file containing this info that I can just export > and import? > > Krsnendu dasa > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From lug at phxlinux.org Sun Aug 22 22:08:00 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:08:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Aug 2004, Dan Young wrote: > Lewis Holcroft said: > > I thought the yum daemon did that for you. > > In my experience, the yum daemon just does the updates. > > I'd rather just know the updates were needed, do them at my leisure, > then restart services as needed. yum check-update From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Aug 22 22:23:10 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:23:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Message-ID: <41291CCE.1030709@gwi.net> Dan Young wrote: >Lewis Holcroft said: > > >>I thought the yum daemon did that for you. >> >> > >In my experience, the yum daemon just does the updates. > >I'd rather just know the updates were needed, do them at my leisure, >then restart services as needed. > >-- >Dan Young >Parkrose School District > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > A 'yum check-update' will tell you what updates are available and applicable to your system. You could create a simple cron job of your own to email that to you, or you could modify /etc/cron.daily/yum.cron to do it (that is what the yum rc.d script enables), or you could install yum-applet (see http://www.fedoranews.org/tchung/yum-applet/ ) for a gui desktop indicator. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 22 22:31:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:31:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Message-ID: <1093213874.24804.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 16:57, Dan Young wrote: > I'd rather just know the updates were needed, do them at my leisure, > then restart services as needed. I generally use my own desktop machine as the test instance and to prime the proxy server cache. If a 'yum update' there looks like anything important updated, I'll ssh to other servers and update them using the same proxy server to make the download fast. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Sun Aug 22 22:54:56 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:54:56 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 22 Aug 2004 16:07, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > writes: > >Are you confusing kernels here? They are one and the same, both "Linux > >kernels", but one is compiled to RH FC2 standards and one would be done > >by > >hand. What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? > > It was not a typo....I said "Linus kernel" not Linux kernel. Thus what we > were talking about earlier in the thread is using the "unaltered" kernel > in it's "virgin" form rather than the altered Redhat one. So my questin still stands: What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1467 624141 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBKSRAeWseh9tzvqgRAgLqAKCB60DL/M5IAuqLfpFvtqoc7tOrXACfQUyX rC7pK330MSBgsLkr5BmbDSM= =x9Ly -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Aug 22 23:09:38 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:09:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <412927B2.4070400@cmosnetworks.com> Gavin Henry wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Sunday 22 Aug 2004 16:07, David Trask wrote: > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >>writes: >> >> >>>Are you confusing kernels here? They are one and the same, both "Linux >>>kernels", but one is compiled to RH FC2 standards and one would be done >>>by >>>hand. What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? >>> >>> >>It was not a typo....I said "Linus kernel" not Linux kernel. Thus what we >>were talking about earlier in the thread is using the "unaltered" kernel >>in it's "virgin" form rather than the altered Redhat one. >> >> > >So my questin still stands: > >What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? > > Several things. For example, the Fedora kernel has the NPTL patch, and I don't believe that Linus's kernel does. I'm not absolutely certain, but I think that the Fedora Core 1 kernel also has a patch, backported from Linus's 2.6 kernel, to see 8GB instead of just 4GB; RHEL AS 3.0's kernel definitely has this. FC2, which uses the 2.6 kernel, has the SELinux patches put in. I'm sure that a little Googling will get you that information. None of these are really necessary in the vast majority of cases, since I don't know of very many K12LTSP servers that have more than 4GB DRAM. NPTL isn't, I've found, that big a deal at all for good performance on LTSP; I'm not sure if it even helps at all. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 23 01:03:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:03:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <412927B2.4070400@cmosnetworks.com> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <412927B2.4070400@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1093223017.25898.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 18:09, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > None of these are really necessary in the vast majority of cases, since > I don't know of very many K12LTSP servers that have more than 4GB DRAM. You'd run a bigmem kernel if you had more than 4GB anyway. > NPTL isn't, I've found, that big a deal at all for good performance on > LTSP; I'm not sure if it even helps at all. It depends on whether you run threaded apps or not. I think it helps with java running something like web applications. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 23 01:46:10 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <41291CCE.1030709@gwi.net> References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> <41291CCE.1030709@gwi.net> Message-ID: <65441.24.20.16.226.1093225570.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Christopher K. Johnson said: > You could create a simple cron job Which is what I did. https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-August/msg00693.html -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 23 01:56:49 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I miss RHN In-Reply-To: <1093213874.24804.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1093045600.3031.40.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <9825A018-F320-11D8-8455-000A95955130@pcc.com> <65351.24.20.16.226.1093211836.squirrel@24.20.16.226> <1093213874.24804.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <64674.24.20.16.226.1093226209.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Les Mikesell said: > I generally use my own desktop machine as the test instance Ditto that. > to prime the proxy server cache. If a 'yum update' there > looks like anything important updated, I'll ssh to other > servers and update them using the same proxy server to > make the download fast. We're mirroring the FC2 updates nightly, so D/Ls are not a problem. The K12LTSP repository is on a 100MB link from our servers, so performance there is "adequate". ;-) -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Aug 23 03:23:59 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:53:59 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] How to remove blackjack from student computers? In-Reply-To: <9326098004082201137b6e042e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_> <9326098004082201137b6e042e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1093231439.12619.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 13:43, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > $rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/blackjack ^^^^^^^^ Thanks for pushing my command line knowledge further. Although removing games was not the issue with me but good new command line work. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bimalp at indoasian.com Mon Aug 23 05:15:17 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 23 Aug 2004 10:45:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus In-Reply-To: <1093116675.16115.87.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <1093116675.16115.87.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1093238117.6633.1.camel@server.ltsp> dear Les and Will make a file /usr/share/applications/gnome-nautilus.desktop with the following entries as [Desktop Entry] Name=Home Folder Comment=View your home folder in the Nautilus file manager TryExec=nautilus Exec=nautilus Icon=gnome-home.png Terminal=0 Type=Application Categories=Application;Core;X-Red-Hat-Base; X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Bugzilla=GNOME X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Product=nautilus X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component= X-Gnome-Bugzilla-OtherBinaries=nautilus-adapter;nautilus-content-loser;nautilus-sidebar-loser;nautilus-text-view;nautilus-throbber; Encoding=UTF-8 X-Desktop-File-Install-Version=0.3 OnlyShowIn=GNOME; this will do all for you!!, yes you can make changes in this too like lang,terminal,icon etc. to suit your requirement. now check the main menu it will be there NOTE :- i am using RH9, further you can just cut and paste... On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 01:01, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 06:20, Will Hatch wrote: > > How do I access nautilus? I do not recall seeing it in the > > start menu/programs on my Gnome desktop. Do I open a terminal > > window, type in su -, log in as root, and then type in nautilus? > > It would be great to just have a icon on the teachers desktop > > so they could create tests with keduca and drag/drop to students > > folders. Thanks! > > It is the native file manger for the gnome desktop. > Double-click the 'home' folder icon and you are running > nautilus. But if you are going to do this often, wouldn't > it be better to write a little script that takes the file > name as an option and copies it to all the right places? > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From I.Derks at translucent.nl Mon Aug 23 06:33:32 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:33:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <1093242812.2645.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jim, this is an excellent feature! I didn't know we could have all this info available through ltspinfod. Regarding powering up/down with WOL and ltspinfo --host --shutdown we ran into a few strange issues. After enabling ACPI or APM and wake on pci features in the bios of the Thin Clients, I can use successfully WOL with etherwake --MAC-ADDRESS to boot the client. However, after a shutdown with ltspinfo, it is impossible to use etherwake again. Apparently the hard shutdown is not the same as the (remote) soft shutdown, because the latter seems to kill the the WOL function. Only after hard power-cycling I get this funtion back, so this is not very useful. Anyone experienced this before, or for that matter has any pointers in the right direction? Kind regards, Immanuel Derks On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 14:11, Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 04:26:11AM -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > I'm profoundly lazy. Can't these things put themselves to sleep? Maybe not. > > > > If you turn on ssh on the clients & put a key in root's > > .ssh/authorized_keys file you could do something like this: > > > > for x in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ssh -l root 192.168.1.$x shutdown -h now; done > > > > Oh, wait. The clients don't run a ssh daemon. > > They will run sshd, if you enable LOCAL_APPS. > > But, there's an easier way. You can use ltspinfo and ltspinfod to do it > for you. > > Starting with LTSP-4.0, we've got a daemon running on the client, > waiting for something to do. It's called 'ltspinfod'. It was > originally designed to answer questions about the client. For instance, > the server can ask the client which sound daemon it is running, so that > it knows how to setup the server-side stuff to send the sound stream to > it. > > Well, ltspinfod has a couple of other features too. 1) It can do a > shutdown or a reboot of a terminal. 2) It can read things from the > /proc filesystem. > > Both of those features are disabled by default, but it's really easy > to enable them. > > In lts.conf, the following entries control ltspfinod: > > ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y > ALLOW_PROCREAD = Y > > If you want to allow a remote shutdown and/or reboot to happen, then > set ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y (the default is N). > > Then, to actually get the server to send the shutdown/reboot message to > the client, you'd use the 'ltspinfo' script to do that. > > It's installed on the server, in the /usr/sbin directory. > > To run it, try something like this: > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --shutdown (or --reboot) > > > If your terminals are fairly new hardware, with apm stuff in the bios, > it should actually shut down the client. If the terminal doesn't have > an apm bios, it will kill the processes, but then just sit there. > > If you want to read something from the /proc filesystem, > you'd use the '--proc' arg to ltspinfo. For example, if you > want to read /proc/meminfo on the client, to see info about the > terminals memory, you'd do this: > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --proc=meminfo > > Notice I removed the leading '/proc' from the --proc arg. That's > because the ltspinfod, running on the client will do a fork and a > chroot() into the /proc directory. This is to prevent someone from > reading anything else in the client filesystem. This is for security > purposes. As we work on getting kerberos and other security measures in > place, we need to make sure nobody can grab private keys and such. > > If you want to use ltspinfod for what it was originally designed for, > you can use it like so; > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --cfg=XSERVER > > Or, pretty much any other parameter from lts.conf can be used in the > --cfg entry. you can also use --cfg=all > that will retrieve all of the parameters from the workstation. > > Anyway, I hope that helps, > > Jim McQuillan > jam at ltsp.org > > > > > > Another way would be to use cron, but the clients don't run cron either. > > > > You could make the clients run this stuff. Turning them on > > automatically might be possible with the machine'sBIOS. > > > > A simple solution would be to turn off the power to the circuits that > > the machines are plugged in to. It's not really necessary to do a > > clean shutdown. Just pull the plug or hit the power strip. > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:30:57 +0200, Immanuel Derks > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I wonder if anybody has already some experience with remotely powering > > > down/up of APCI capable thin clients. What do you need to enable this? > > > We have 60 Netier 1000XL on a site, and could save the librarian a lot > > > of work by getting this feature working. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Immanuel Derks > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jay Pfaffman > > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bimalp at indoasian.com Mon Aug 23 07:32:19 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 23 Aug 2004 13:02:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <1093242812.2645.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> <1093242812.2645.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1093246339.23835.17.camel@server.ltsp> dear all, i didn't found such commands!! where is that?? i am using 3.0.6 version of ltsp. bimal On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 12:03, Immanuel Derks wrote: > Jim, this is an excellent feature! I didn't know we could have all this > info available through ltspinfod. > > Regarding powering up/down with WOL and ltspinfo --host --shutdown we > ran into a few strange issues. > After enabling ACPI or APM and wake on pci features in the bios of the > Thin Clients, I can use successfully WOL with etherwake --MAC-ADDRESS to > boot the client. However, after a shutdown with ltspinfo, it is > impossible to use etherwake again. Apparently the hard shutdown is not > the same as the (remote) soft shutdown, because the latter seems to kill > the the WOL function. Only after hard power-cycling I get this funtion > back, so this is not very useful. > > Anyone experienced this before, or for that matter has any pointers in > the right direction? > > Kind regards, > Immanuel Derks > > > On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 14:11, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 04:26:11AM -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > > I'm profoundly lazy. Can't these things put themselves to sleep? Maybe not. > > > > > > If you turn on ssh on the clients & put a key in root's > > > .ssh/authorized_keys file you could do something like this: > > > > > > for x in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ssh -l root 192.168.1.$x shutdown -h now; done > > > > > > Oh, wait. The clients don't run a ssh daemon. > > > > They will run sshd, if you enable LOCAL_APPS. > > > > But, there's an easier way. You can use ltspinfo and ltspinfod to do it > > for you. > > > > Starting with LTSP-4.0, we've got a daemon running on the client, > > waiting for something to do. It's called 'ltspinfod'. It was > > originally designed to answer questions about the client. For instance, > > the server can ask the client which sound daemon it is running, so that > > it knows how to setup the server-side stuff to send the sound stream to > > it. > > > > Well, ltspinfod has a couple of other features too. 1) It can do a > > shutdown or a reboot of a terminal. 2) It can read things from the > > /proc filesystem. > > > > Both of those features are disabled by default, but it's really easy > > to enable them. > > > > In lts.conf, the following entries control ltspfinod: > > > > ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y > > ALLOW_PROCREAD = Y > > > > If you want to allow a remote shutdown and/or reboot to happen, then > > set ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y (the default is N). > > > > Then, to actually get the server to send the shutdown/reboot message to > > the client, you'd use the 'ltspinfo' script to do that. > > > > It's installed on the server, in the /usr/sbin directory. > > > > To run it, try something like this: > > > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --shutdown (or --reboot) > > > > > > If your terminals are fairly new hardware, with apm stuff in the bios, > > it should actually shut down the client. If the terminal doesn't have > > an apm bios, it will kill the processes, but then just sit there. > > > > If you want to read something from the /proc filesystem, > > you'd use the '--proc' arg to ltspinfo. For example, if you > > want to read /proc/meminfo on the client, to see info about the > > terminals memory, you'd do this: > > > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --proc=meminfo > > > > Notice I removed the leading '/proc' from the --proc arg. That's > > because the ltspinfod, running on the client will do a fork and a > > chroot() into the /proc directory. This is to prevent someone from > > reading anything else in the client filesystem. This is for security > > purposes. As we work on getting kerberos and other security measures in > > place, we need to make sure nobody can grab private keys and such. > > > > If you want to use ltspinfod for what it was originally designed for, > > you can use it like so; > > > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --cfg=XSERVER > > > > Or, pretty much any other parameter from lts.conf can be used in the > > --cfg entry. you can also use --cfg=all > > that will retrieve all of the parameters from the workstation. > > > > Anyway, I hope that helps, > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > Another way would be to use cron, but the clients don't run cron either. > > > > > > You could make the clients run this stuff. Turning them on > > > automatically might be possible with the machine'sBIOS. > > > > > > A simple solution would be to turn off the power to the circuits that > > > the machines are plugged in to. It's not really necessary to do a > > > clean shutdown. Just pull the plug or hit the power strip. > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:30:57 +0200, Immanuel Derks > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I wonder if anybody has already some experience with remotely powering > > > > down/up of APCI capable thin clients. What do you need to enable this? > > > > We have 60 Netier 1000XL on a site, and could save the librarian a lot > > > > of work by getting this feature working. > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Immanuel Derks > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jay Pfaffman > > > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > > > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Aug 23 09:06:53 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:36:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <1093246339.23835.17.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> <1093242812.2645.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1093246339.23835.17.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1093252013.20960.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 13:02, bimal pandit wrote: > dear all, > > i didn't found such commands!! > > where is that?? i am using 3.0.6 version of ltsp. [SNIP] > > On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 14:11, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Starting with LTSP-4.0, we've got a daemon running on the client, > > > waiting for something to do. It's called 'ltspinfod'. It was [SNIP] That answers it, does it not? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon Aug 23 10:56:09 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:56:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Powered by K12LTSP Message-ID: <000501c488ff$cbf1b570$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All.... Just back from a Scout Camping Holiday (I'm a Scout Leader) And sitting looking @ my HOWTOz www site (Http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) and was wondering if there is a 'Powered By K12LTSP' Logo/Pic that I could put on this site & a few other places that I can think of... If there isn't an 'Official' Powered By K12LTSP Logo, would someone like to give it ago & eMail it to me & I will put it on the K12 wiki & also on my site... Thankz Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Mon Aug 23 11:42:27 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:42:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] does my client machine have to be linux/windows? Message-ID: Hi - I'm a primary school teacher/web designer in Queensland, Australia, with average php scripting skills and a mac/windows background. My aim is to switch our school (and maybe one day the entire state!) to Linux & OSS. But I'm having a slow start: Have recently installed K12LTSP on one machine with two ethernet cards, one connected to the net and the other to a switch. I have one other old windows machine connected to the switch (as a trial/demo) and now I'm stuck. I'm not finding it all as easy as it says on www.k12ltsp.org ("up in 20 minutes"). A linux pro physically at my side would be great but since I haven't the money to fly anyone over here's 2 simple questions to start with: Q - does my client machine have to be linux/windows? Q - where on the desktop/ redhat 'start' menu do I find rdesktop? Oh, and I only installed the second network card after I installed K12ltsp onto the server machine - would the easiest thing be to re-install k12ltsp so that it can configure everything automatically? My school by the way: www.redeemer.qld.edu.au (spot the OSS) Thanks in advance, Debbie _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Aug 23 12:10:34 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:40:34 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] does my client machine have to be linux/windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093263034.5559.13.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 17:12, Debbie Schiel wrote: > My aim is to switch our school (and maybe one day the entire state!) to > Linux & OSS. Good to have you on bandwagon. > Have recently installed K12LTSP on one machine with two ethernet cards, one > connected to the net and the other to a switch. I have one other old windows > machine connected to the switch (as a trial/demo) and now I'm stuck. I'm not > finding it all as easy as it says on www.k12ltsp.org ("up in 20 minutes"). Well 20 minutes is possible but 30 minutes would be more reasonable... > Q - does my client machine have to be linux/windows? Client machine has to be "nothing"!! Just any PC with a floppy drive and ethernet card would make an excellent client. Even if you have win loaded on the client does not matter as most of the clients boot off the floppy first. Many new PC do not even need a floppy as you can tweak their BIOS settings to boot of the network. Make floppy as instructed at www.rom-o-matic.org for your ethernet card. > Q - where on the desktop/ redhat 'start' menu do I find rdesktop? In the normal install you will not find rdesktop. This is needed when you want another machine to connect to another machine running terminal services. Not needed if you are booting off a floppy or net-booting > Oh, and I only installed the second network card after I installed K12ltsp > onto the server machine - would the easiest thing be to re-install k12ltsp > so that it can configure everything automatically? I would reckon so. First make a server with only one NIC card. When you come to the network part of install give the first card IP 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 Connect the terminal (or the switch containing terminal(s) to this first card. I am giving you this way as mostly there is confusion on which is the first and the second card and even tough you would have a perfectly fine system up and running you can be frustrated as the wrong card is being attached. Once you have system up and running then use menu "system settings> network" and point to the eth0 entry. Somewhere in the tabs you would find an item for binding MAC address to the device. Probe and fix this. This way when you install the second ethernet card you would not have any confusion or problems. When to install the second card...after the system concept is clear and you have a terminal booting. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bimalp at indoasian.com Mon Aug 23 12:22:26 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 23 Aug 2004 17:52:26 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <1093252013.20960.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> <1093242812.2645.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1093246339.23835.17.camel@server.ltsp> <1093252013.20960.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1093263746.3924.1.camel@server.ltsp> dear sir, thanks again for pointing me in the right direction, certainly my mistake. regards, bimal On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 14:36, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 13:02, bimal pandit wrote: > > dear all, > > > > i didn't found such commands!! > > > > where is that?? i am using 3.0.6 version of ltsp. > [SNIP] > > > On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 14:11, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > Starting with LTSP-4.0, we've got a daemon running on the client, > > > > waiting for something to do. It's called 'ltspinfod'. It was > [SNIP] > That answers it, does it not? From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon Aug 23 12:23:31 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:23:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Powered by K12LTSP References: Message-ID: <003d01c4890c$009e8c60$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Debbie > As an old web designer this is something I can do! As a linux newbie I was > worried that I wouldn't be able to contribute much to the community but I'll > gladly put a button together for you. Tomorrow. I'm in Australia and it's > bed time. Thanx for the offer.. I look forward to your input... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 23 12:29:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:29:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] does my client machine have to be linux/windows? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4129E336.8070801@cmosnetworks.com> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi - > > I'm a primary school teacher/web designer in Queensland, Australia, > with average php scripting skills and a mac/windows background. > > My aim is to switch our school (and maybe one day the entire state!) > to Linux & OSS. > But I'm having a slow start: > > Have recently installed K12LTSP on one machine with two ethernet > cards, one connected to the net and the other to a switch. I have one > other old windows machine connected to the switch (as a trial/demo) > and now I'm stuck. I'm not finding it all as easy as it says on > www.k12ltsp.org ("up in 20 minutes"). > A linux pro physically at my side would be great but since I haven't > the money to fly anyone over here's 2 simple questions to start with: > > Q - does my client machine have to be linux/windows? > > Q - where on the desktop/ redhat 'start' menu do I find rdesktop? > > Oh, and I only installed the second network card after I installed > K12ltsp onto the server machine - would the easiest thing be to > re-install k12ltsp so that it can configure everything automatically? > > > My school by the way: > www.redeemer.qld.edu.au > (spot the OSS) > > Thanks in advance, > > Debbie > > _______________________________________________________ G'day, Debbie! You can do a reinstall, and that certainly does work, but, in my experience, you don't have to. When you do installed the second NIC, I'm betting that Kudzu (the Red Hat hardware autodetecter) found it and set it up for use as "eth1". Kudzu will load the module (device driver) for the new NIC and will leave your pre-existing NIC ("eth0") alone. What Kudzu doesn't do is give the NIC an IP address; we have to do that manually. To do this, just run the "redhat-config-network" program. It will present you with a screen to do IP address configuration, as well as some other things. As for rdesktop, I'm not sure if that's in the default install, as I virtually always choose the "Custom" install no matter what OS I'm installing (I'm a geek). If not, you can easily install it from the CDs. Just pop in each CD, drill down till you get to the RPMS subdirectory, and look for something starting with "rdesktop". Install that with either the GUI or the command line (rpm -ivh myfiletoinstall.rpm), and you should be good to go. That said, to actually use rdesktop in real terms, you'll need to either do Start / Run Program, or use the command line, because rdesktop needs the IP address of the Windows server to which you want to talk. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 23 13:43:30 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:43:30 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing between thin client networks? Message-ID: <082320041343.8333.4129F481000D96CF0000208D22007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, This year I have been allowed to move the entire school (students and teachers) to a thin client environment based on results from last year. (except for a few critical front office systems to ensure compatibility with the state). But printing is once again an issue. I have printers connected to all the teachers' thin clients which all run from server1 (all servers have dual NIC setup). However, I need to be able to print to these from student systems which are running from server 2. I use CUPS for printing. I tried to get CUPS on server1 and server2 to see each other, but it hasn't worked (there is a website that I can't re-locate that discusses exactly this piece). Has anyone gotten the above to work? I also have to print from Windows systems as well and have Samba running for this purpose. This is a ..big.. beta test by the school Director. Teachers are already concerned that their MS-experience is going to go away and things aren't going to work. (e.g. sound and videos on the clients as compared to using MS). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise, it seems that Samba doesn't see all the printers that Cups is providing. I had to change my startup sequence in the rc5 directory. I did this by simply changing cups from S90Cups to S34Cups. Samba is S35Samba. This seems to work for me. Prior to this change, printers did not consistently show up in the browse list on Windows. There are a couple of setting in the smb.conf file that need to be changed. Be sure that printing = cups is defined. Also, you will need either printcap name = cups or printcap name = /etc/printcap . For some reason, printcap name = cups doesn't work for me, but the second (and supposedly incorrect approach) does. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > this is what I have... > > [printers] > comment = All Printers > path = /var/spool/samba > printable = Yes > browseable = No > > > for the [printers] section of my smb.conf.... > this shares all printers....and in winXP i just browse the workgroup and > double click on the printer in my LTSP server > and it automagically starts the add printer wizard thing =) > > --Huck > > jconlon1 wrote: > > >I have a laser printer on my Linux Server which is using K12lsstp 4.0.1 > >Fedora core. I have a computer that is running Windows XP PRO that I need > >to have use the laser printer. I have 2 questions: > >1. How do I correctly set up the K12ltsp servers Samba and Cups so that the > >Windows XP machine can find it and the printer? > >2. How do I or What do I need to do in the Windows machine for it to be able > >to identify the printer on the K12ltsp server? > >Thanks > >Pat > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Aug 23 10:06:23 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:06:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing between thin client networks? In-Reply-To: <082320041343.8333.4129F481000D96CF0000208D22007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082320041343.8333.4129F481000D96CF0000208D22007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1093255583.2440.21.camel@penguin> If you haven't found it yet, CUPS has some of the best OSS documentation on the web at http://cups.org/documentation.php. Maybe this is what you are looking for http://cups.org/sam.html#CLIENT_RELAY? JSR/ On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 09:43, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > All, > > This year I have been allowed to move the entire school (students and > teachers) to a thin client environment based on results from last > year. (except for a few critical front office systems to ensure > compatibility with the state). But printing is once again an issue. > I have printers connected to all the teachers' thin clients which all > run from server1 (all servers have dual NIC setup). However, I need > to be able to print to these from student systems which are running > from server 2. I use CUPS for printing. I tried to get CUPS on > server1 and server2 to see each other, but it hasn't worked (there is > a website that I can't re-locate that discusses exactly this piece). > Has anyone gotten the above to work? I also have to print from > Windows systems as well and have Samba running for this purpose. > > This is a ..big.. beta test by the school Director. Teachers are > already concerned that their MS-experience is going to go away and > things aren't going to work. (e.g. sound and videos on the clients as > compared to using MS). > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 23 14:14:23 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:14:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <4129FBBF.1020105@maltzen.net> Jim- Is the ltspinfo stuff you mention documented somewhere? I looked at the 4.1 manual on the ltsp.org site, but I didn't see anything there about it (at least in the TOC). Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: >On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 04:26:11AM -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > >>I'm profoundly lazy. Can't these things put themselves to sleep? Maybe not. >> >>If you turn on ssh on the clients & put a key in root's >>.ssh/authorized_keys file you could do something like this: >> >>for x in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ssh -l root 192.168.1.$x shutdown -h now; done >> >>Oh, wait. The clients don't run a ssh daemon. >> >> > >They will run sshd, if you enable LOCAL_APPS. > >But, there's an easier way. You can use ltspinfo and ltspinfod to do it >for you. > >Starting with LTSP-4.0, we've got a daemon running on the client, >waiting for something to do. It's called 'ltspinfod'. It was >originally designed to answer questions about the client. For instance, >the server can ask the client which sound daemon it is running, so that >it knows how to setup the server-side stuff to send the sound stream to >it. > >Well, ltspinfod has a couple of other features too. 1) It can do a >shutdown or a reboot of a terminal. 2) It can read things from the >/proc filesystem. > >Both of those features are disabled by default, but it's really easy >to enable them. > >In lts.conf, the following entries control ltspfinod: > > ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y > ALLOW_PROCREAD = Y > >If you want to allow a remote shutdown and/or reboot to happen, then >set ALLOW_SHUTDOWN = Y (the default is N). > >Then, to actually get the server to send the shutdown/reboot message to >the client, you'd use the 'ltspinfo' script to do that. > >It's installed on the server, in the /usr/sbin directory. > >To run it, try something like this: > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --shutdown (or --reboot) > > >If your terminals are fairly new hardware, with apm stuff in the bios, >it should actually shut down the client. If the terminal doesn't have >an apm bios, it will kill the processes, but then just sit there. > >If you want to read something from the /proc filesystem, >you'd use the '--proc' arg to ltspinfo. For example, if you >want to read /proc/meminfo on the client, to see info about the >terminals memory, you'd do this: > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --proc=meminfo > >Notice I removed the leading '/proc' from the --proc arg. That's >because the ltspinfod, running on the client will do a fork and a >chroot() into the /proc directory. This is to prevent someone from >reading anything else in the client filesystem. This is for security >purposes. As we work on getting kerberos and other security measures in >place, we need to make sure nobody can grab private keys and such. > >If you want to use ltspinfod for what it was originally designed for, >you can use it like so; > > /usr/sbin/ltspinfo --host=ws001 --cfg=XSERVER > >Or, pretty much any other parameter from lts.conf can be used in the >--cfg entry. you can also use --cfg=all >that will retrieve all of the parameters from the workstation. > >Anyway, I hope that helps, > >Jim McQuillan >jam at ltsp.org > > > > >>Another way would be to use cron, but the clients don't run cron either. >> >>You could make the clients run this stuff. Turning them on >>automatically might be possible with the machine'sBIOS. >> >>A simple solution would be to turn off the power to the circuits that >>the machines are plugged in to. It's not really necessary to do a >>clean shutdown. Just pull the plug or hit the power strip. >> >>On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:30:57 +0200, Immanuel Derks >> wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I wonder if anybody has already some experience with remotely powering >>>down/up of APCI capable thin clients. What do you need to enable this? >>>We have 60 Netier 1000XL on a site, and could save the librarian a lot >>>of work by getting this feature working. >>> >>>Kind regards, >>>Immanuel Derks >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Jay Pfaffman >>Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville >>Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Aug 23 14:41:43 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:41:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin-client lock down Message-ID: <412A0227.7030504@netscape.net> Hi, We have been running a K12ltsp system for a year & have had great results. One of the issues is how to lock-down the students desktop so that they cannot make any changes to the menus, icons, or default home page on the browser but still write to their home directory. Ideas, suggestions are most appreciated as the project has thus far been great, we've increased the number of teachers using computers from 3 to 29 ! thks norbert From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Aug 23 10:50:56 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:50:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin-client lock down In-Reply-To: <412A0227.7030504@netscape.net> References: <412A0227.7030504@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1093258256.2446.43.camel@penguin> Each of these has "dot files" to configure the environment or a folder holding the info. You could probably set permissions to read, but not write for all that stuff and then give ownership to root. The ownership is important, otherwise a slick student can change his access rights back to write. A simple script with the info you want should be able touch the files (to make sure they are there) and then change the permissions for /home/*/$configfile to simplify the mess of doing it by hand. Maybe there is a better way? JSR/ On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 10:41, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > We have been running a K12ltsp system for a year & have had great > results. One of the issues is how to lock-down the students desktop so > that they cannot make any changes to the menus, icons, or default home > page on the browser but still write to their home directory. > > Ideas, suggestions are most appreciated as the project has thus far been > great, we've increased the number of teachers using computers from 3 to 29 ! > > thks > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Aug 23 14:53:25 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:53:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to restart gdm without rebooting? In-Reply-To: <4129F535.7060606@maltzen.net> References: <4129F535.7060606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1093272805.9165.5.camel@localhost> GDM should be running as a boot-time service, so use the appropriate mechanism to restart it like any other service. I think that would be "service gdm restart" on K12LTSP. I am not in front of a Fedora-based box at the moment to double check. On many distros you could also do something like "/etc/init.d/xdm restart" to do it. Often, the display manager service is generically called "xdm", even if one is actually using KDM or GDM or what have you. On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 06:46, Petre Scheie wrote: > All- > What's the best way to restart/reload gdm without rebooting? I've > changed the default desktop to IceWM, by editing gdm.conf. So, I need > to restart gdm but don't want to do a reboot as that would disrupt > people who are already logged in. > > Petre > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Aug 23 15:03:28 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:03:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] unmounting floppy busy error In-Reply-To: <4129FBBF.1020105@maltzen.net> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> < > <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> <4129FBBF.1020105@maltzen.net> Message-ID: ok, I tried surfing this one and found a lot of references, but no solutions that work. Trying to avoid a reboot. can't unmount floppy because I get busy command. Tried both gui and terminal line command. any suggestions thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Aug 23 11:07:12 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:07:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] unmounting floppy busy error In-Reply-To: References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> < > <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> <4129FBBF.1020105@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1093259231.2449.49.camel@penguin> On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 11:03, Shane Stafford wrote: > ok, I tried surfing this one and found a lot of references, but no > solutions that work. Trying to avoid a reboot. > > can't unmount floppy because I get busy command. Tried both gui and > terminal line command. > > any suggestions Is any terminal cd'd into the directory it's mounted to? Check running through Ctrl+Alt+Fn and around your possible open WM terminals. What else have you tried? JSR/ From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Aug 23 15:11:35 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:11:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] unmounting floppy busy error In-Reply-To: <1093259231.2449.49.camel@penguin> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> <4129FBBF.1020105@maltzen.net> < > <1093259231.2449.49.camel@penguin> Message-ID: don't think there is a single terminal on in the school. I do think I may have a VNC session open from someone helping on a software configuration. Also, web pages said try CD to do different directory. I ran the umount command from a variety of directories, and always busy. thanks Shane > > >Is any terminal cd'd into the directory it's mounted to? Check running >through Ctrl+Alt+Fn and around your possible open WM terminals. > >What else have you tried? > >JSR/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Aug 23 15:15:29 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:15:29 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] unmounting floppy busy error Message-ID: <200408231523.i7NFNVU01551@downeast.net> look at fuser command and the processes going.....must be a procwess accessing a file....vi is known for this..chuck > don't think there is a single terminal on in the school. I do think I may > have a VNC session open from someone helping on a software configuration. > > > Also, web pages said try CD to do different directory. I ran the umount > command from a variety of directories, and always busy. > > thanks > Shane > > > > > >Is any terminal cd'd into the directory it's mounted to? Check running > >through Ctrl+Alt+Fn and around your possible open WM terminals. > > > >What else have you tried? > > > >JSR/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 23 16:07:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:07:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin-client lock down In-Reply-To: <1093258256.2446.43.camel@penguin> References: <412A0227.7030504@netscape.net> <1093258256.2446.43.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1093277273.855.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 05:50, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > Each of these has "dot files" to configure the environment or a folder > holding the info. You could probably set permissions to read, but not > write for all that stuff and then give ownership to root. The ownership > is important, otherwise a slick student can change his access rights > back to write. The tricky part here is that as long as you have write access to the directory containing these files you can delete the existing ones and replace them with new copies owned by yourself. I think this possibility could be eliminated by setting the 'sticky' bit on each home directory (chmod +t) to make it act like the /tmp directory where files can only be deleted or renamed by root or their owner. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 23 18:23:34 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:23:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File Associations for All Users Message-ID: <412A3626.30803@honeygroveisd.net> Can someone tell me how to set Konqueror's file associations (i.e. MS Word documents opened with StarOffice, etc.) for all users in one shot? -- C-ya, Mark ____ The Grateful Dead were once called The Warlocks. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 23 20:44:44 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:44:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice troubles Message-ID: <412A573C.8070705@maltzen.net> I had OOo 1.1.0 on a k12ltsp/FC1 box. I installed OOo 1.1.2 without removing the old version. The old version appeared to be installed in /usr/lib/openoffice, while the new version installed in /opt/OpenOffice1.1.2. There were also startup scripts in /usr/bin that called the /usr/lib/openoffice binaries; for example, oowriter was just a shell script that called 'exec usr/bin/ooffice private:factory/swriter'. After installing the new version, I renamed all the /usr/bin/oo* files and created new ones that were symlinks to the respective parts in /opt/OpenOffice1.1.2. I also renamed ~/.openoffice so that a new one was created the first time I started the new version. That worked but a peculiarity appeared in Writer: Sometimes the cursor appears a few characters ahead of what where the text actually appears in the document. Shutting down OOo didn't fix it, nor did logging out and logging back in. And it doesn't happen all the time, nor is the number of characters between the cursor and the text always the same. Figuring it might be some sort of library conflict, I removed the /usr/bin/oo* symlinks and renamed the old /usr/bin/oo* scripts back to their original names, e.g. oowriter which would then call the 1.1.0 version in /usr/lib/openoffice. I also renamed the new ~/.openoffice and moved the old ~/.openoffice back into place. So, I figured I should be able to start up the old version just as before. But every time I try to run it, it tries to go through the initial startup setup. Even if I go through it, it tries to create ~/OpenOffice.org.1.1.0, and even then it doesn't start, and if I try to start it again, it just goes through the setup again. So, I'm a bit perplexed. Any ideas about how to get out of this? Thanks. Petre From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Mon Aug 23 21:36:24 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:36:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.1.0 install fails Message-ID: <412A6358.1070001@myrealbox.com> Hello, I have a Dell Server (Cringe, I inherited it!) that I have previously installed Fedora Core 2 on and it runs fine. I downloaded the iso's for LTSP 4.1.0 yesterday burned them to CD, tested the CDs (they tested fine and they load fine in my sony, and no name PC's) but nothing happens in the Dell box, I tried a new CD drive and I've booted and looked at the contents of the CD. Then if I reseat the CD I can get it to load to the main screen (only sometimes) and then it freezes. Has anyone else seen this behavior? Thank you! KJ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 23 21:45:34 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:45:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.1.0 install fails In-Reply-To: <412A6358.1070001@myrealbox.com> References: <412A6358.1070001@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <412A657E.3040308@paasda.org> I have a machine that it just constantly reboots in =) hit the key for the install to begin in graphical/textual/nobuffer no matter which...and it just reboots the system... *shrugs* It installed fine on my server and 3 other machines though... --Huck KJ wrote: > Hello, > I have a Dell Server (Cringe, I inherited it!) that I have previously > installed Fedora Core 2 on and it runs fine. I downloaded the iso's > for LTSP 4.1.0 yesterday burned them to CD, tested the CDs (they > tested fine and they load fine in my sony, and no name PC's) but > nothing happens in the Dell box, I tried a new CD drive and I've > booted and looked at the contents of the CD. Then if I reseat the CD > I can get it to load to the main screen (only sometimes) and then it > freezes. Has anyone else seen this behavior? > Thank you! > KJ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 23 21:53:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:53:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.1.0 install fails In-Reply-To: <412A657E.3040308@paasda.org> References: <412A6358.1070001@myrealbox.com> <412A657E.3040308@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1093298016.8659.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 16:45, Huck wrote: > I have a machine that it just constantly reboots in =) > hit the key for the install to begin in > graphical/textual/nobuffer no matter which...and it just reboots the > system... > *shrugs* > It installed fine on my server and 3 other machines though... There are machines that won't install FC2 (the SuperMicro 370DER motherboard as used in a whole flock of Penguincomputing boxes comes to mind...), but the odd part here is that this box did install FC2 and now fails with K12ltsp 4.1.0 which should be running the same installer kernel. I'd guess it is the media. Try burning another copy, perhaps with a different brand of blanks, no CDRW, and burn at a slower speed. Even if it tests OK it might fail when it is accessed in a different pattern. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Mon Aug 23 23:08:13 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:08:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <4129FBBF.1020105@maltzen.net> References: <1092900657.2526.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <93260980040822012652c7b7bf@mail.gmail.com> <20040822121134.GA32710@mcquil.com> <4129FBBF.1020105@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20040823230813.GA3749@mcquil.com> On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:14:23AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > Jim- > Is the ltspinfo stuff you mention documented somewhere? I looked at the > 4.1 manual on the ltsp.org site, but I didn't see anything there about > it (at least in the TOC). Sorry, it's not documented yet. but, the email that I sent out is a pretty good start. that will be added to the ltsp-4.1 docs soon. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Aug 24 20:34:11 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:34:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] unmounting floppy busy error In-Reply-To: <200408231523.i7NFNVU01551@downeast.net> Message-ID: <004101c48a19$b71db750$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Printer choices. When I go to print in Openoffice.org or any other app. (K12LTSP 4.0.1) the only option I see is postscript default printer. I would like to choose which printer to print to from that dialog. I can go to printers control panel and change default printer, but that is very inconvenient. Sometimes I want to print to bw laser, sometimes to inkjet, and sometimes to A3 printer, but I don't want to have to change the default everytime. Can anyone help me with this? From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 24 04:22:11 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:22:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount over samba? In-Reply-To: <20040823160042.3479973FDD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040823160042.3479973FDD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1093321331.23128.40.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Not that I need to do this, just curious. Are there any issues with sharing an nfs mounted /home over samba? From john at coronet.co.uk Tue Aug 24 16:35:55 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:35:55 +0100 Subject: [K12osn] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <20040824160013.D5DEC73ACE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040824160013.D5DEC73ACE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1093365355.28138.7.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> I've posted Jim's email to the K12LTSP wiki, see "Managing K12LTSP 4 Clients from Server" John Ingleby ************ On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 17:00, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:08:13 -0400 >From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Remote shutdown/startup Thin Clients >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <20040823230813.GA3749 at mcquil.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 09:14:23AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Jim- >> Is the ltspinfo stuff you mention documented somewhere? I looked at >>the >> 4.1 manual on the ltsp.org site, but I didn't see anything there >>about >> it (at least in the TOC). > >Sorry, it's not documented yet. but, the email that I sent out is a >pretty good start. that will be added to the ltsp-4.1 docs soon. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org From JohnPaul.Richardson at Charleston.af.mil Tue Aug 24 17:55:49 2004 From: JohnPaul.Richardson at Charleston.af.mil (Richardson John Paul MSgt 373 TRS Det 5/CSS) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:55:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and VNC Message-ID: Hello all, I'm against a brick wall here. I have searched Google and the archive for this mailing list until my eyes have become crossed. I have the following LTSP problem that I am hoping someone can help me with. I have K12LTSP 4.1 up and running; 1 server and 3 workstations. All workstations are coming up nicely and users can log in to GNOME desktops fine. VNC is another story. The environment I am trying to create is one in which the instructor can take over a students desktop when necessary using VNC. Everything I have tried to get this working has resulted in failure. VNC works when using the standard vncserver/vncviewer utils. I start vncserver on one workstation then go to another and start vncviewer and am presented with the standard Twm desktop. Next I tried using x0rfbserver. When I start x0rfbserver on the server, it runs fine; no errors. I can then connect from a workstation to the server using vncviewer and see/use the desktop on the server. When I reverse this procedure (start x0rfbserver on a workstation and try to connect from the server or another workstation) the RFB window appears but as soon as I try to connect with vncviewer, x0rfbserver dies with the following error: X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt tpo access private resource denied) Major opcode of failed request: 144 (MIT-SHM) Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (X_ShmAttach) Serial number of failed request: 571 Current serial number in output stream: 582 Google gave me a few returns on this but not being an X programmer, it was foriegn to me. One result also said to try using x11vnc which I did. This had the exact same results. Next came use of x0vncserver. No matter where I try to start (using -log *:stdout:100) this I get the following: main: XTest extgension present - version 2.2 VNCServerST: creating single-threaded server x0vncserver VNCServerST: shutting down server x0vncserver main: unable to bind listening socket: Address already in use (98) ~ImageCleanup called This same error occurs when I try to run x0vncserver on the server but with the addition of one line: ~Image called - usingShm 1 I run x0vncserver with -rfbport 5800 and it seems to start fine (main: :Listening on port 5800) but any connection attempts from other workstations (using vncviewer 192.168.0.254:#) are refused with the following error: vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused Unable to connect to VNC server So that is where I am. I help that can get me moving again is most appreciated. J Paul Richardson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a problem with accessing a production site, where DNS resolves correctly, but browsers access the old test site because squid has the old ip in the cache. Googling on it tells me to run the cachemgr.cgi script, but how do I run it if apache is not running on the squid box? thanks, julius From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Aug 25 13:47:11 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:47:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office Message-ID: <000001c48aaa$2b07a050$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> If I install the workstation version of Crossover office, will it be accessible to all thin client users? I am particularly interested in running Quicktime and shockwave applications. Is this the best way to do or should I try Win4Lin? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Aug 24 19:18:46 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:18:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NX compression? In-Reply-To: <1093370104.19036.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1093370104.19036.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1093375126.22701.1.camel@localhost> I've played with the NX stuff a little bit (maybe 30 minutes) and it seems pretty darn cool. It is a _lot_ faster and smoother than VNC. I certainly think it is something to watch. On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 10:55, Les Mikesell wrote: > Is anyone following NX technology for compressing X, rdp and > VNC traffic? It sounds like a free version is on the way. At > least something called freeNX is included in the latest (8/16) > Knoppix distribution. I haven't tried it yet but is sounds like > something that might make those centralized servers that people > keep talking about more practical - or old 10Mb network equipment. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Tue Aug 24 19:36:08 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:36:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution & XPDF Message-ID: <412B98A8.3050006@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hello all! I have a very quick question and I have searched for the past bit to find a answer so I figured I would just ask. I am trying to find a way to have Evolution use xpdf as the pdf viewer. The default options that I have are save and open, but when it opens Evolution uses GNOME PDF Viewer. The reason I would like to use xpdf is that it is already the default for our Mozilla install. Can anyone point me in a direction? As a side question, is there a way to print using the GNOME PDF Viewer? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! -- Michael Elliott From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 25 13:37:16 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:37:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing something Wrong Message-ID: <00da01c48aa8$a3adc630$eadf1dd3@boss> Hi, i'm pretty new to linux but understand it. Anyway I have been trying to experiment with K12LSTP 4.0.1 and if i do a /default/ instalation onto the server it goes ok. then when i try to boot my clients from the floppy disk it just searches for DHCP server.... and thats it. I told the server at instalation that i want to run DHCP. I have read through the trouble shooting dcument but i find i am unable to do most of the commands as they dont work. I am only using 1 network card if thats any help if anyone knows what i might be doing wrong or to get the new trouble shooting document? Thanks Ben M. From rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu Tue Aug 24 20:57:10 2004 From: rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu (ROGER (Tripp) LOWE) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:57:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... Message-ID: Hey Folks, I am having problems booting a client machine using PXE. The motherboard is an ASUS p4p800-e deluxe with an onboard gigabit LAN (Marvell 88E8001). When I boot the client, I get the following error on the client... ---------------------------------------------------- Freeing /linuxrc mounting /proc ERROR! Could not automatically detect network card.... ..... Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! ---------------------------------------------------- I get the following message on the server -------------------------------------- Aug 25 04:36:49 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:50 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 1 leases to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 08:36:53 server in.tftpd[2926]: tftp: client does not accept options ------------------------------------------- Can somebody help me out? I'd boot from a disk, but can not figure out which selection(s) to try on www.rom-o-matic.com. Thanks, Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Tue Aug 24 20:59:45 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:59:45 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] NX compression? Message-ID: <15128513.1093381185788.JavaMail.oracle@linares> > On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 10:55, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Is anyone following NX technology for compressing X, rdp and > > VNC traffic? It sounds like a free version is on the way. At > > least something called freeNX is included in the latest (8/16) > > Knoppix distribution. I haven't tried it yet but is sounds like > > something that might make those centralized servers that people > > keep talking about more practical - or old 10Mb network equipment. Yeah, I've been following that technology. It's astonishing!! Actually, NX is already GPLed - the only part that is not GPL is the graphical wizzards that they provide et all. And is becuase of that why in Knoppix 3.6 they use it, because it's GPL. FreeNX is a free implementation of the propietary and non-free part of the NX technology. I've just noticed that there's already a beta [1] released _yesterday_! I think that there would be a good idea to ship it with next K12LTSP version. BTW, KDE fellows are also working in another similar frontend called knx called to integrate NX in the desktop in the same way VNC already does with krdc, thought I don't know if it's development has stopped or what has happened with that initiative. El Martes, 24 de Agosto de 2004 21:18, Quentin Hartman escribi?: > I've played with the NX stuff a little bit (maybe 30 minutes) and it > seems pretty darn cool. It is a _lot_ faster and smoother than VNC. I > certainly think it is something to watch. If you want more toys to play, then hazard you to freenx and then told how was the expierience. Maybe you could even write a document about how to configure NX for LTSP ? :-P. Cheers, Edulix. [1] http://kalyxo.freedesktop.org//bin/view/Main/WebHome From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 24 21:06:17 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:06:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to restart gdm without rebooting? In-Reply-To: <1093272805.9165.5.camel@localhost> References: <4129F535.7060606@maltzen.net> <1093272805.9165.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <412BADC9.2050902@maltzen.net> Nope, no xdm or gdm or kdm in /etc/init.d. I also looked in /etc/rc5.d, since it presumably would be loaded when the system goes to runlevel 5; but I don't see anything there, either. I also tried grepping for gdm in all the files in /etc/init.d, but got nothing. Anyone have any other ideas? Petre Quentin Hartman wrote: >GDM should be running as a boot-time service, so use the appropriate >mechanism to restart it like any other service. I think that would be >"service gdm restart" on K12LTSP. I am not in front of a Fedora-based >box at the moment to double check. On many distros you could also do >something like "/etc/init.d/xdm restart" to do it. Often, the display >manager service is generically called "xdm", even if one is actually >using KDM or GDM or what have you. > >On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 06:46, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>All- >>What's the best way to restart/reload gdm without rebooting? I've >>changed the default desktop to IceWM, by editing gdm.conf. So, I need >>to restart gdm but don't want to do a reboot as that would disrupt >>people who are already logged in. >> >>Petre >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 24 21:24:14 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:24:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution & XPDF In-Reply-To: <412B98A8.3050006@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <412B98A8.3050006@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <412BB1FE.60305@maltzen.net> As to your side question, no, I don't think there is a way to print from the Gnome PDF Viewer. I ran into the same problem with Nautilus, so I just installed xpdf, but I just changed the file type associations. Perhaps, since Nautilus and Evo are both gnome projects, if you change the association in nautilus it will make the change happen in Evo (?). Petre Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello all! > > I have a very quick question and I have searched for the past bit to > find a answer so I figured I would just ask. > > I am trying to find a way to have Evolution use xpdf as the pdf > viewer. The default options that I have are save and open, but when > it opens Evolution uses GNOME PDF Viewer. The reason I would like to > use xpdf is that it is already the default for our Mozilla install. > Can anyone point me in a direction? > > As a side question, is there a way to print using the GNOME PDF Viewer? > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated! > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Aug 24 21:28:28 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:28:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to restart gdm without rebooting? In-Reply-To: <4129F535.7060606@maltzen.net> References: <4129F535.7060606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1093382908.29945.28.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 06:46, Petre Scheie wrote: > All- > What's the best way to restart/reload gdm without rebooting? I've > changed the default desktop to IceWM, by editing gdm.conf. So, I need > to restart gdm but don't want to do a reboot as that would disrupt > people who are already logged in. (Disrupts service) /usr/sbin/gdm-restart or (Does not disrupt service) /usr/sbin/gdm-safe-restart -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Aug 25 16:39:35 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:39:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Connect to remote desktop on WinXP pro Message-ID: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Can I connect to a remote desktop session on a windows XP computer on our LAN? If so how? 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If I set it back to the X3 driver (XF86_SVGA instead of vesa, for example) the video and the mouse works fine! I did notice that the X4 drivers seem to be "crisper". On one monitor in particular, when switching back to XF86_SVGA from vesa or ati, the characters on X the login screen were noticeably "blurrier". Is this my imagination? I would love to understand more, and went to Xorg, but didn't see much useful. Anyone out there with any pointers? TIA, Rita Gibson RMSEL From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Aug 24 23:16:19 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:16:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <412900D6.5040505@paasda.org> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <4128F699.50904@mtaonline.net> <412900D6.5040505@paasda.org> Message-ID: <412BCC43.7060006@mtaonline.net> In the last 2 years I have had a $3500 total budget for starting a school within a school. The server for the k12 ltsp stuff is my old dual p3 desktop. The IT people chase down old computers to "get them out of the system" so even finding terminal parts is a sort of race. Huck, that's what I guess my budget for ALL materials for the next few (3-6) years will be. Of course, in the meantime IT is pissing away 50k annually for licensed "nanny" software that most high school kids can subvert with ease. Do I sound bitter? I am trying to sell them on linux. Hopefully things will improve. Huck wrote: > for about $500 bucks I built out my 'pilot lab' server... > it was a KT4V motherboard with an AMD 2000+ CPU and 1.5 gigs of RAM.. > a 40 gig ide HD...and an intel 10/100 pro nic for eth0... > It handled 20 stations FINE with absolutely no problems(after I > configured the printer properly =), > and that was with Gnome...(mind you I had to remove access to many of > the bandwidth intensive programs) > but for Web research and Word Processing...it hummed along quite nicely! > > then I got $3500 to build out my "Student Server" and bought dual xeon > 3 ghz...4 gig of ram 4-36gig scsi hd's and an intel raid controller > ...I don't regret spending that much...but if I didn't have it I would > merely have built out 2 of the $500 boxes and put them in the ltsp > labs... > > Also...I likely would have asked individuals if they would sponsor 1 > piece of hardware...a CPU here...a stick of RAM there...a case over > there... > maybe a Hard Drive or two...and all of a sudden you have a nice nifty > server! =) > > --Huck > > Andrew wrote: > >> David, the servers you just described equal my foreseeable budget til >> retirement. My IT people spend money like water on questionable >> commercial contracts (in my view) but the kind of "what the hell >> spend a few grand" attitude sure doesn't apply to me. >> David Trask wrote: >> >>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> on >>> Saturday, August 21, 2004 at 5:54 PM +0000 wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Has anyone tried skolelinux 1.0? I am dling now. It looks lighter >>>> than k12ltsp, which could be useful. The idea of a light core with >>>> add-on modules appeals to me. Any look at freeduc for this sort of >>>> thing? I am not suggesting any is better, but that there are a few >>>> ways to look at an educational thin client/linux environment. >>>> Re the hardware issues..... I had failing hardware on my initial >>>> install of fc1, on my upgrade to fc2 on my personal box, an >>>> nforce2. Non-k12ltsp fedora provided me with these issues...and my >>>> by now boring disl.ike of fedora. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Aug 24 23:18:05 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:18:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <1093208430.23780.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <4127C494.60307@mtaonline.net> <4128F699.50904@mtaonline.net> <1093208430.23780.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <412BCCAD.5020803@mtaonline.net> I spend what my budget allows. $0.00. My server is my old dual p3 desktop. I agree about serving out home on lesser boxes. Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 14:40, Andrew wrote: > > >>David, the servers you just described equal my foreseeable budget til >>retirement. My IT people spend money like water on questionable >>commercial contracts (in my view) but the kind of "what the hell spend a >>few grand" attitude sure doesn't apply to me. >> >> > >How much do you expect to spend on the server side per station? >What other people have described sounds like $100 - $150 to >me. You might save something if you can scrounge an old but >reliable box to use as a fileserver for home directories and >several 'fast desktop' type boxes as k12ltsp servers with a >small number of clients each. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Aug 24 22:31:08 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:31:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Connect to remote desktop on WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:39:35 -0700, Krsnendu wrote: > Can I connect to a remote desktop session on a windows XP computer on > our LAN? > > If so how? > > > I am able to connect to the LTSP server from the XP computer but now I > want to do the reverse. > > > > Yes, you can. Use the tightVNC server package. use the client from your XP machine. Mario Guerra -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Aug 24 23:40:27 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:40:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <412BD1EB.3000404@mtaonline.net> It is the other way around. (for the most part) There is stuff added to the fedora kernels to make some of the newer features of the distro work. That is my complaint with fedora- it is a testbed, and the kernel is part of the package. (And it keeps breaking on the only hardware I have available) I should take a moment to be a little more accurate here, though. Eric's work on whitebox gave me the idea that k12ltsp could possibly become modular rather than distro specific- that is add on packages (like ltsp.org) that turn any major distro into a k12 system. My personal issues re fedora are kind of a side issue. In my situation, for example, IT will eventually realize that Novell owns SuSe. We already use netware. If by then they are sold on linux, they might decide it is "safer" to look for a support and integration package from Novell rather than replace Novell services with an open-source based system (because it can't be real if it isn't outrageous..or something like that.--or more likely it is worth the price if you can blame the vendor and CYA), then dictate that all linux boxes must now be SuSe. It is a scenario right out of Dilbert. Hopefully it won't come to this, but the problem remains. If this (hopefully too cynical prediction) happens I'm (and others like me)stuck. Ltsp .org could certainly make a thinclient server out of SuSe.... then the rest would be manually selecting packages and making roll-your-own-installation scripts a real PIA undergone to protect corporate profits and syphon money out of education. A modular approach to thinclient/educational linux might avert this.... BTW should I learn OPenLDAPand get good with phpgroupware? would that basically allow a cost-free substitute for Novell?any ideas ( I think I mentioned this a while back..maybe I should look) -AF Gavin Henry wrote: What features of the Fedora compiled kernel are lacking? > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >(207)923-3100 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Aug 24 23:45:37 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:45:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] does my client machine have to be linux/windows? In-Reply-To: <4129E336.8070801@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4129E336.8070801@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <412BD321.8090401@mtaonline.net> Your client machine should either bnoot from a bootable network card (50 us or so and probably not what you have) or from a floppy onto which you used "cat" to copy the boot image that matches your client's ethernet card. These images are stored on your server, I beleive. Somewhere under boot ot bootimages or something like that. Your client machine needs no OS ..not even a hard drive to work. Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Debbie Schiel wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> I'm a primary school teacher/web designer in Queensland, Australia, >> with average php scripting skills and a mac/windows background. >> >> My aim is to switch our school (and maybe one day the entire state!) >> to Linux & OSS. >> But I'm having a slow start: >> >> Have recently installed K12LTSP on one machine with two ethernet >> cards, one connected to the net and the other to a switch. I have one >> other old windows machine connected to the switch (as a trial/demo) >> and now I'm stuck. I'm not finding it all as easy as it says on >> www.k12ltsp.org ("up in 20 minutes"). >> A linux pro physically at my side would be great but since I haven't >> the money to fly anyone over here's 2 simple questions to start with: >> >> Q - does my client machine have to be linux/windows? >> >> Q - where on the desktop/ redhat 'start' menu do I find rdesktop? >> >> Oh, and I only installed the second network card after I installed >> K12ltsp onto the server machine - would the easiest thing be to >> re-install k12ltsp so that it can configure everything automatically? >> >> >> My school by the way: >> www.redeemer.qld.edu.au >> (spot the OSS) >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Debbie >> >> _______________________________________________________ > > > > G'day, Debbie! > > You can do a reinstall, and that certainly does work, but, in my > experience, you don't have to. > > When you do installed the second NIC, I'm betting that Kudzu (the Red > Hat hardware autodetecter) found it and set it up for use as "eth1". > Kudzu will load the module (device driver) for the new NIC and will > leave your pre-existing NIC ("eth0") alone. What Kudzu doesn't do is > give the NIC an IP address; we have to do that manually. To do this, > just run the "redhat-config-network" program. It will present you > with a screen to do IP address configuration, as well as some other > things. > > As for rdesktop, I'm not sure if that's in the default install, as I > virtually always choose the "Custom" install no matter what OS I'm > installing (I'm a geek). If not, you can easily install it from the > CDs. Just pop in each CD, drill down till you get to the RPMS > subdirectory, and look for something starting with "rdesktop". > Install that with either the GUI or the command line (rpm -ivh > myfiletoinstall.rpm), and you should be good to go. That said, to > actually use rdesktop in real terms, you'll need to either do Start / > Run Program, or use the command line, because rdesktop needs the IP > address of the Windows server to which you want to talk. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird > , you have the best spam > protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Aug 24 23:50:39 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:50:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Connect to remote desktop on WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <412BD44F.6090203@mtaonline.net> Try rdesktop, or vnc? Krsnendu wrote: > Can I connect to a remote desktop session on a windows XP computer on > our LAN? > > If so how? > > > > I am able to connect to the LTSP server from the XP computer but now I > want to do the reverse. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Aug 24 23:53:36 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:53:36 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093391615.865.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 17:57, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > I am having problems booting a client machine using PXE. > The motherboard is an ASUS p4p800-e deluxe with an > onboard gigabit LAN (Marvell 88E8001). > [snip] > > Can somebody help me out? I'd boot from a disk, but can not figure out which selection(s) > to try on www.rom-o-matic.com. > The Marvel is currently unsupported by Etherboot (maybe this fall). It is supported by the sk98lin driver in Linux. You may need to pass the option 129/129 to get the terminal to recognize the correct driver. Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Aug 25 00:02:19 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:02:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Connect to remote desktop on WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <1093392139.865.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 13:39, Krsnendu wrote: > Can I connect to a remote desktop session on a windows XP computer on > our LAN? > > If so how? > I am able to connect to the LTSP server from the XP computer but now I > want to do the reverse. I have this setup for a user who needs access to simply accounting. The windows XP is in the "server room" (read closet) with the ltsp server. Simply (from memory): 1) Right Click My computer, properties 2) Select the Remote tab 3) Select Allow Remote access 4) Add users 5 ) Go to Linux and run rdesktop -a 16 192.168.2.56 (or what ever) If Windows XP starts up and immediately closes the connection close the damn nvidia "helper" service. It works fine, no additional licenses required since it allows only one user to connect either local or remote (not both). Tim From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Aug 25 00:02:20 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:02:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Printer Choices Message-ID: <082520040002.25946.412BD70C0002E5AC0000655A22007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> How are the printers defined? I use cups for printing and can select any of the printers installed in OO.o. I apologize for changing the title, but it is now more accurate to the question. Sincerely, DaveHopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > Printer choices. > When I go to print in Openoffice.org or any other app. (K12LTSP 4.0.1) > the only option I see is postscript default printer. I would like to > choose which printer to print to from that dialog. > I can go to printers control panel and change default printer, but that > is very inconvenient. Sometimes I want to print to bw laser, sometimes > to inkjet, and sometimes to A3 printer, but I don't want to have to > change the default everytime. > > Can anyone help me with this? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Add the following lines to your /etc/squid/squid.conf acl PURGE method PURGE http_access allow PURGE localhost http_access deny PURGE tell squid to re-read its configs: service squid reload Now you can purge urls from the cache: squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com Note that this does individual pages, it does not purge a whole website. If page1.html, page2.html, etc are all stale, you'll have to purge each one: squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page1.html squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page2.html -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 25 03:01:51 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount over samba? In-Reply-To: <1093321331.23128.40.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, John Baillie wrote: >Not that I need to do this, just curious. Are there any issues with >sharing an nfs mounted /home over samba? Yes, there are issues. It is generally not a good idea to re-export a remotely mounted filesystem. -Eric From aaa at pacifier.com Wed Aug 25 03:25:33 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:25:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing something Wrong In-Reply-To: <00da01c48aa8$a3adc630$eadf1dd3@boss> References: <00da01c48aa8$a3adc630$eadf1dd3@boss> Message-ID: <412C06AD.8050806@pacifier.com> ben may wrote: >Hi, >i'm pretty new to linux but understand it. Anyway I have been trying to >experiment with K12LSTP 4.0.1 and if i do a /default/ instalation onto the >server it goes ok. then when i try to boot my clients from the floppy disk >it just searches for DHCP server.... and thats it. I told the server at >instalation that i want to run DHCP. >I have read through the trouble shooting dcument but i find i am unable to >do most of the commands as they dont work. I am only using 1 network card if >thats any help >if anyone knows what i might be doing wrong or to get the new trouble >shooting document? >Thanks > >Ben M. > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Are you sure that the connecting cable works? Do you get the little light on the ethernet card when the cable is plugged in? Duane Wilson From julius at turtle.com Wed Aug 25 04:45:03 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 00:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount over samba? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, John Baillie wrote: > > >Not that I need to do this, just curious. Are there any issues with > >sharing an nfs mounted /home over samba? > > Yes, there are issues. It is generally not a good idea to re-export > a remotely mounted filesystem. > > -Eric actually, issues go deep enough for many Unices to disallow re-export by default - e.g. hp-ux, aix. The biggest and insurmountable obstacle is file and record locking, not only it is only advisory, it is very different for nfs and samba. just say "Moe" to re-exporting. julius From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Aug 25 10:13:34 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:13:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Layout per Group ? Message-ID: <000b01c48a8c$2e046130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... This one just sprang to mind as I was thinking about a few things... as the subject suggests, is there a way that anyone knows that I could set a up the desktop so that Icons can be placed on a per group basis.. That is, if a user is a member of a group called 'Students' they will have Icon 1... but if another user is a member of 'Staff' they will see a different icon.... if anyone knows of any way to get this kind of effect I would be most interested... Thanx for any URLz/help/pointers/HOWTOz & the such....... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu Wed Aug 25 10:35:49 2004 From: rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu (ROGER (Tripp) LOWE) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:35:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... Message-ID: Thanks for the info, Tim. If somebody could follow up on the following, I'd sure appreciate it. "...It is supported by the sk98lin driver in Linux. You may need to pass the option 129/129 to get the terminal to recognize the correct driver." How exactly do I pass the 128/129 option, and where do I store the sk98lin driver? Thanks. Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) >>> Timothy Legge 08/24/04 19:54 PM >>> On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 17:57, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > I am having problems booting a client machine using PXE. > The motherboard is an ASUS p4p800-e deluxe with an > onboard gigabit LAN (Marvell 88E8001). > [snip] > > Can somebody help me out? I'd boot from a disk, but can not figure out which selection(s) > to try on www.rom-o-matic.com. > The Marvel is currently unsupported by Etherboot (maybe this fall). It is supported by the sk98lin driver in Linux. You may need to pass the option 129/129 to get the terminal to recognize the correct driver. Tim _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Aug 25 10:53:28 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:53:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Connect to remote desktop on WinXP pro In-Reply-To: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <001001c48ac2$1c557e70$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <412C6FA8.5090008@msln.net> Make sure rdesktop is loaded and from the terminal ; rdesktop -u administrator xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where xxx is the ip address of the machine you wish to reach. If this is a xp pro machine, and I remember correctly, when yo take control, you will lock out the user on the other end. With win2k server, that will not happen. Mark Krsnendu wrote: > Can I connect to a remote desktop session on a windows XP computer on > our LAN? > > If so how? > > > > I am able to connect to the LTSP server from the XP computer but now I > want to do the reverse. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Aug 25 08:35:11 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 04:35:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Layout per Group ? In-Reply-To: <000b01c48a8c$2e046130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <000b01c48a8c$2e046130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1093422910.2446.182.camel@penguin> Under our windows clients, we use login scripts to get a similar effect. The same thing should be possible using shell scripts for your users to edit them when they show up. In this case, it might make more sense to have custom user creation scripts that allow for these kinds of variables. JSR/ On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 06:13, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi List... > > This one just sprang to mind as I was thinking about a few things... > > as the subject suggests, is there a way that anyone knows that I could > set a up the desktop so that Icons can be placed on a per group basis.. > That is, if a user is a member of a group called 'Students' they will have > Icon 1... but if another user is a member of 'Staff' they will see a > different > icon.... > > if anyone knows of any way to get this kind of effect I would be most > interested... > Thanx for any URLz/help/pointers/HOWTOz & the such....... > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > ############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 25 12:36:16 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to restart gdm without rebooting? In-Reply-To: <412BADC9.2050902@maltzen.net> References: <4129F535.7060606@maltzen.net> <1093272805.9165.5.camel@localhost> <412BADC9.2050902@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Not sure if this is a correct answer or not, but you can log into the server as root and do init 3 and wait for the prompt to return and then type init 5 and wait again. You may have to press ENTER a time or two to get the prompt back but that will restart X. Works for me, anyway. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > Nope, no xdm or gdm or kdm in /etc/init.d. I also looked in /etc/rc5.d, > since it presumably would be loaded when the system goes to runlevel 5; > but I don't see anything there, either. I also tried grepping for gdm > in all the files in /etc/init.d, but got nothing. Anyone have any other > ideas? > > Petre > > Quentin Hartman wrote: > > >GDM should be running as a boot-time service, so use the appropriate > >mechanism to restart it like any other service. I think that would be > >"service gdm restart" on K12LTSP. I am not in front of a Fedora-based > >box at the moment to double check. On many distros you could also do > >something like "/etc/init.d/xdm restart" to do it. Often, the display > >manager service is generically called "xdm", even if one is actually > >using KDM or GDM or what have you. > > > >On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 06:46, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > >>All- > >>What's the best way to restart/reload gdm without rebooting? I've > >>changed the default desktop to IceWM, by editing gdm.conf. So, I need > >>to restart gdm but don't want to do a reboot as that would disrupt > >>people who are already logged in. > >> > >>Petre > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 25 12:51:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:51:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs mount over samba? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093438283.14019.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 23:45, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > actually, issues go deep enough for many Unices to disallow re-export by > default - e.g. hp-ux, aix. The biggest and insurmountable obstacle is file > and record locking, not only it is only advisory, it is very different for > nfs and samba. just say "Moe" to re-exporting. julius Note, though, that anything that can do the nfs export can also very likely run samba, so you can export both ways from the source instead of having to re-export anyway. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 25 15:46:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:46:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - how to clear squid ip cache? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412CB44F.8090209@paasda.org> I don't suppose it will take the '*' wildcard will it? =) http://www.thisplace.com/*.html ?? that would be kind of groovy --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: >On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > >>Dear Folks, >> the subject asks the question. I have a problem with accessing a >>production site, where DNS resolves correctly, but browsers access the old >>test site because squid has the old ip in the cache. Googling on it tells >>me to run the cachemgr.cgi script, but how do I run it if apache is not >>running on the squid box? thanks, julius >> >> > >The squidclient utility can clear a cached page. > >Add the following lines to your /etc/squid/squid.conf > > acl PURGE method PURGE > http_access allow PURGE localhost > http_access deny PURGE > > >tell squid to re-read its configs: > > service squid reload > >Now you can purge urls from the cache: > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com > >Note that this does individual pages, it does not purge a whole >website. If page1.html, page2.html, etc are all stale, you'll >have to purge each one: > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page1.html > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page2.html > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 25 15:48:41 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:48:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing something Wrong In-Reply-To: <412C06AD.8050806@pacifier.com> References: <00da01c48aa8$a3adc630$eadf1dd3@boss> <412C06AD.8050806@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <412CB4D9.6000607@paasda.org> I would definitely suggest using a 2nd network card as it seems to make life MUCH easier during administration. for $20-$40 you will probably save yourself that much in time --Huck. Duane Wilson wrote: > ben may wrote: > >> Hi, >> i'm pretty new to linux but understand it. Anyway I have been trying to >> experiment with K12LSTP 4.0.1 and if i do a /default/ instalation >> onto the >> server it goes ok. then when i try to boot my clients from the floppy >> disk >> it just searches for DHCP server.... and thats it. I told the server at >> instalation that i want to run DHCP. >> I have read through the trouble shooting dcument but i find i am >> unable to >> do most of the commands as they dont work. I am only using 1 network >> card if >> thats any help >> if anyone knows what i might be doing wrong or to get the new trouble >> shooting document? >> Thanks >> >> Ben M. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > Are you sure that the connecting cable works? Do you get the little > light on the ethernet card when the cable is plugged in? > > Duane Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Wed Aug 25 15:50:52 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:50:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution & XPDF - Attn: Petre Message-ID: <412CB55C.8060708@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Petre: Thank you very much for this information. I figured there was some way of setting this, I didn't know where. You have been most helpful the past few months for me. I greatly appreciate your help. Thank you again for the info! Mike >As to your side question, no, I don't think there is a way to print from the Gnome PDF Viewer. I ran into the same problem >with Nautilus, so I just installed xpdf, but I just changed the file type associations. Perhaps, since Nautilus and Evo are >both gnome projects, if you change the association in nautilus it will make the change happen in Evo (?). > >Petre > >>Michael Elliott wrote: >> >>Hello all! >> >>I have a very quick question and I have searched for the past bit to find a answer so I figured I would just ask. >> >>I am trying to find a way to have Evolution use xpdf as the pdf viewer. The default options that I have are save and open, >>but when it opens Evolution uses GNOME PDF Viewer. The reason I would like to use xpdf is that it is already the default >>for our Mozilla install. Can anyone point me in a direction? >> >>As a side question, is there a way to print using the GNOME PDF Viewer? >> >>Any advice would be greatly appreciated! -- Michael Elliott From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Aug 25 15:55:02 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:55:02 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - how to clear squid ip cache? Message-ID: <20040825.yKo.76312700@192.168.10.16> How about using squid -k shutdown squid -z squid Then you'll have a new cache. Huck (dhuckaby at paasda.org) wrote: > > I don't suppose it will take the '*' wildcard will it? =) > http://www.thisplace.com/*.html ?? > that would be kind of groovy > > --Huck > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > >On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > > > > >>Dear Folks, > >> the subject asks the question. I have a problem with accessing a > >>production site, where DNS resolves correctly, but browsers access the old > >>test site because squid has the old ip in the cache. Googling on it tells > >>me to run the cachemgr.cgi script, but how do I run it if apache is not > >>running on the squid box? thanks, julius > >> > >> > > > >The squidclient utility can clear a cached page. > > > >Add the following lines to your /etc/squid/squid.conf > > > > acl PURGE method PURGE > > http_access allow PURGE localhost > > http_access deny PURGE > > > > > >tell squid to re-read its configs: > > > > service squid reload > > > >Now you can purge urls from the cache: > > > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com > > > >Note that this does individual pages, it does not purge a whole > >website. If page1.html, page2.html, etc are all stale, you'll > >have to purge each one: > > > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page1.html > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page2.html > > > >-Eric > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Aug 25 16:59:25 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:59:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LS-120 Drives Message-ID: <412CC56D.3020206@honeygroveisd.net> I've got some thin clients here with LS-120 (SuperDisk) drives installed instead of floppies. Does anyone know how to mount those locally? The "Floppy access" application isn't working (which makes sense, since they're not floppy drives. Any thoughts? -- C-ya, Mark ____ When opossums are playing 'possum, they are not "playing." They actually pass out from sheer terror. From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Aug 25 17:08:16 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:08:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Authenicate to Netware - THE EASY WAY.... (Only 4 Steps/30 Minz !!!) Message-ID: <001d01c48ac6$1ce1bc10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... As the subject sayz... I have added probably the most requested HOWTO to my site... HOWTO Authenticate to Novell Netware's 6.0/6.5 NDS.. go have a quick look http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net on choose the NDS HOWTO on the left hand side.... Yes I know there is a HOWTO on the wiki... But it goes into some much detail it can confuse some people who are not that technical or people who are very new to Linux, So this HOWTO is a Very Very Easy & Quick HOWTO that will have your K12LTSP Authenticating to NDS in less that 30 Minz... If anyone has any comments or questions please eMail me & I will try to help the best I can... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 25 17:05:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:05:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LS-120 Drives In-Reply-To: <412CC56D.3020206@honeygroveisd.net> References: <412CC56D.3020206@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <412CC6E4.6020803@paasda.org> idea(lightbulb here) check the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/floppy file....and see how it searches for the floppy and or usb jump drives? see if you can adapt that somehow to find those LS-120's? Just an idea...conceptually...it aughta be possible I'd think... --Huck Mark Cockrell wrote: > I've got some thin clients here with LS-120 (SuperDisk) drives installed > instead of floppies. Does anyone know how to mount those locally? The > "Floppy access" application isn't working (which makes sense, since > they're not floppy drives. Any thoughts? > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 25 18:06:06 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:06:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Authenicate to Netware - THE EASY WAY.... (Only 4 Steps/30 Minz !!!) In-Reply-To: <001d01c48ac6$1ce1bc10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001d01c48ac6$1ce1bc10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <412CD50E.3090907@paasda.org> ipx utils...assumes the novell system is using ipx....??? also a typo might wanna fix...although might be on purpose..but filters might block because of it... "raped" below aughta be 'wrapped' *NB: -!! The line above is word raped, it must all be on ONE line Only !!- * --Huck Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi List... > >As the subject sayz... >I have added probably the most requested HOWTO to my site... >HOWTO Authenticate to Novell Netware's 6.0/6.5 NDS.. >go have a quick look http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net on choose >the NDS HOWTO on the left hand side.... > >Yes I know there is a HOWTO on the wiki... >But it goes into some much detail it can confuse >some people who are not that technical or people >who are very new to Linux, So this HOWTO is a >Very Very Easy & Quick HOWTO >that will have your K12LTSP Authenticating to NDS in >less that 30 Minz... > >If anyone has any comments or questions please eMail >me & I will try to help the best I can... >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > >############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From aaa at pacifier.com Wed Aug 25 18:05:21 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:05:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Turn off iptables to use shorewall???? Message-ID: <412CD4E1.3060905@pacifier.com> Hi everybody, I am building a firewall / squid/squidgard box out of K12ltsp 4.1. I used chkconfig to detail what services are running and what are not at any given run level One of the services is see listed is iptables. My question is: does this refer to the rule set that is configured on this machine, OR does this refer to the function of the kernal iptables. I want to turn off the rule set and use shorewall, but I DO NOT want to turn off the iptables functionality. Need Input! Duane Wilson From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 25 18:35:13 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:35:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh in K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20040825160019.4B3287361B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040825160019.4B3287361B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1093458912.18131.32.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, I ran the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh But it did not take. I searched the archives and found this: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Note that these instructions do not work with K12LTSP 4.0.0. This works fine with K12LTSP 3.1.x. K12LTSP 4.0.1 fixes this bug in 4.0.0. You can run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" or "yum upgrade" to install the latest packages." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ref: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-February/msg00992.html Does this apply to K12 4.1 also? Thanks, John From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Aug 25 18:41:12 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:41:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Trident Video card In-Reply-To: <412CD50E.3090907@paasda.org> References: <001d01c48ac6$1ce1bc10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <412CD50E.3090907@paasda.org> Message-ID: I have a couple machines that have Trident TGUI9680 video cards. From what I can tell from surfing, these should be a minimum of 1mb video, so they should work. I'm guessing I need the correct lts.conf entry. But nothing works so far. Anyone have clients with these cards? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 25 19:04:59 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:04:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Window remnants" K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1093458912.18131.32.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20040825160019.4B3287361B@hormel.redhat.com> <1093458912.18131.32.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <1093460698.18131.61.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, We have noticed a fair amount of "window remnants" in OpenOffice. For example a couple of students had some of the font drop-down box stuck in a document. Minimizing the document then bringing it back up clears it. I have been running K12 Ver 4.1 at home since about beta 11 and have not observed this nor did I notice it here in during our testing phase. I have not verified but it appears to only happen during a full class. On a side we went from ver 3.1.? to 4.1 The two server installs were very smooth. All terminals booted right up. No show-stopping problems. John From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 25 19:13:56 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:13:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Window remnants" K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1093460698.18131.61.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20040825160019.4B3287361B@hormel.redhat.com> <1093458912.18131.32.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <1093460698.18131.61.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <20040825191356.GD24938@mcquil.com> John, I'm guessing it's an Xserver driver problem. So, the interesting questions are: 1) what video card chipset is it ? 2) What Xserver module is it using ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 03:04:59PM -0400, John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > We have noticed a fair amount of "window remnants" in OpenOffice. > For example a couple of students had some of the font drop-down box > stuck in a document. > > Minimizing the document then bringing it back up clears it. > > I have been running K12 Ver 4.1 at home since about beta 11 and have not > observed this nor did I notice it here in during our testing phase. > > I have not verified but it appears to only happen during a full class. > > On a side we went from ver 3.1.? to 4.1 > The two server installs were very smooth. > All terminals booted right up. > No show-stopping problems. > > John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 25 20:35:36 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:35:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "Window remnants" K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: <20040825160019.4B3287361B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040825160019.4B3287361B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1093466136.27120.20.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Jim, All our terminals are Compaq DeskPro Small Form Factor PII and PIII which include on board ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP. I am home at the moment and have one booted up (as stand alone PC) with K12 Ver 4.1 and it is using: ------------------------------------------------------ II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "ati" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 6.7.0, module version = 6.5.6 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7 ------------------------------------------------------- I'll check to see what driver the terms are loading when I return in the AM. On the chance that it is the same driver is there a better driver that I can specify in lue of what is auto-detected? John From julius at turtle.com Wed Aug 25 20:47:56 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - how to clear squid ip cache? In-Reply-To: <20040825.yKo.76312700@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Ron Freidel wrote: > How about using > > squid -k shutdown > squid -z > squid > > Then you'll have a new cache. > > > Huck (dhuckaby at paasda.org) wrote: > > > > I don't suppose it will take the '*' wildcard will it? =) > > http://www.thisplace.com/*.html ?? > > that would be kind of groovy > > > > --Huck > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > >On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Folks, > > >> the subject asks the question. I have a problem with accessing a > > >>production site, where DNS resolves correctly, but browsers access the old > > >>test site because squid has the old ip in the cache. Googling on it tells > > >>me to run the cachemgr.cgi script, but how do I run it if apache is not > > >>running on the squid box? thanks, julius > > >> > > >> > > > > > >The squidclient utility can clear a cached page. > > > > > >Add the following lines to your /etc/squid/squid.conf > > > > > > acl PURGE method PURGE > > > http_access allow PURGE localhost > > > http_access deny PURGE > > > > > > > > >tell squid to re-read its configs: > > > > > > service squid reload > > > > > >Now you can purge urls from the cache: > > > > > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com > > > > > >Note that this does individual pages, it does not purge a whole > > >website. If page1.html, page2.html, etc are all stale, you'll > > >have to purge each one: > > > > > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page1.html > > > squidclient -m PURGE http://www.somewhere.com/page2.html > > > > > >-Eric OK, Folks. I tried Eric's suggestion to no avail (of course I cleaned history and local cache). I tried than to recreate the cache files on the squid server. I went further than recreating - I removed the old ones first. All to no avail. Mozilla still goes to the old address of the test site. And yes. I know it is squid, because when i remove redirection on the k12 server, the browsers go to the correct site. Any ideas? julius From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 25 21:35:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:35:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - how to clear squid ip cache? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093469729.6090.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 15:47, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > OK, Folks. I tried Eric's suggestion to no avail (of course I cleaned > history and local cache). I tried than to recreate the cache files on the > squid server. I went further than recreating - I removed the old ones > first. All to no avail. Mozilla still goes to the old address of the test > site. And yes. I know it is squid, because when i remove redirection on > the k12 server, the browsers go to the correct site. Any ideas? julius On the squid server, or wherever /etc/resolv.conf points it's DNS resolution, restart named to clear the DNS cache. If it is RH/fedora, use 'service named restart'. The length of time a DNS address can be cached is set in the originating zone file. When someone is planning to change an address they should tune down the time-to-live ahead of time. If your resolv.conf points to more than one resolver, be sure they are all restarted to flush the cache. Nslookup or dig on the squid box will tell you where it will go. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Wed Aug 25 21:50:32 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:50:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Chinese fonts (again) Message-ID: <20040825215032.26425.qmail@hoster900.com> Hi all, I posted this earlier and got no responses, so either I've got you stumped or I've been forgotten (posting on a weekend couldn't have helped). Here's what I'm trying to do: I would like the option, when logging in to ANY computer or ANY user account, of being able to pick three languages... Chinese simplified, traditional, or English. I want English to be the default. Currently when I try this by selecting Chinese in the pull down menu at login, it gives me some bizarre characters that aren't Chinese. I don't particularly want the input system to be chinese... Just the browser and the desktop. I have looked at some how tos and rpms, but honestly, I'm not all sure that they're what I want. Is there a way I can get this all to peacefully coexist on my X server? Is there more to it than just installing the correct fonts? thanks Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 26 00:17:33 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:17:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and cups boot order Message-ID: <412D2C1D.2030707@elp.rr.com> I recently read a message that stated that the order in which Samba and Cups boot can affect the ability of a Windows XP PRO machine to find a printer that is on the K12LTSP server's USB port. How do I check and change the order that these two routines boot so I can see if this will solve my problem? Thanks Pat From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 26 01:34:16 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:34:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Problems Message-ID: <000501c48b0c$ccd0a230$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> I remember someone on the list telling me that the only major problem they had with Netatalk was with the shares getting stupid periodically due to corrupt .AppleDB files. The reason I bring this up is that we were going to train in the staff today on how to access their new Linux shares via the Macintosh clients, but when I went to demonstrate the machines locked up immediately after authentication (just saw a shadow of the window to come that is supposed to list the shares available for mounting). I was wondering if this is typical what you were experiencing when the files corrupted. Anyhow thanks to the wonderful heads up I remembered this and deleted the .AppleDB files and all was well. So does anyone have a script I can run as cron that will search for the .AppleDB files and delete them periodically? Maybe this would be a preventative measure. Also I have set the options of noadouble in AppleVolumes.conf in hopes that will help, any problems with that? I can't wait until next year when the new wave of iMacs comes in with OSX so we can just use SMB and eliminate Appletalk all together.....wait...don't start the new email yet :-) We had a lease program here in the past (that I wasn't fond of), so when the lease is up next summer those 300 computers will come back to the school (as in free computers). But I will work towards making them thin clients for linux in the future. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 26 01:46:24 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:46:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID Message-ID: <000601c48b0e$7ee9efc0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Anyone had much experience with SATA RAID in 4.1.0 yet? I ask because I just ordered a new Dell server for a new lab in a startup high school in town here. It is a: PowerEdge 700 P4 2.8Ghz w/1MB cache 2GB DDR 400Mhz RAM CERC 6-Channel SATA RAID Controller w/64MB Cache 4 80GB 7200 SATA drives in RAID 5 On Board Gigabit Intel NIC Add in 3Com 905b 100MB NIC CDRW/DVD IDE Drive Everything seems to detect and load fine, finds the NIC's, HD's, partitions everything fine and makes it through the entire install. But upon reboot I get a kernel panic while it tries to load some SCSI stuff, but the machine doesn't have any SCSI devices or controllers. Any ideas on what is happening or where to start troubleshooting? I can only work on this thing at night since it is for my other business so be patient if my responses are slow during the day. For now this will only run 9 clients. I also have a Dell 2324 switch for the network, the GIG port for the server and 10/100's for the clients. One more quick question, when I install it scans the hardware in a backwards order for me. So the Gig port onboard is setup as eth0 and configured for the external network, and the 10/100 add in is setup to serve the clients. So on setup I just set eth0 to 192.168.1.254 and eth1 as DHCP. My question is does this make things stupid? Will LTSP know that eth0 should be set up for serving DHCP or will it still try to use eth1? If so how do I make it use the NIC's in the order I want? Normally I would just swap the cards into different PCI slots so the are detected in the right order, but the Gig is onboard so I can't move it. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 26 02:13:34 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 02:13:34 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and cups boot order Message-ID: <082620040213.24919.412D474D000A4B700000615722007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> The startup order for services are determined by the order of the files in /etc/rc.d/rc5.d . (for run level 5) On my system, samba was S35samba, while cups was S90cups. I changed cups to S34cups. But, there is an easier way to test. Stop both cups and samba, then restart cups, followed by samba. e.g. /etc/init.d/cups stop /etc/init.d/smb stop /etc/init.d/cups start /etc/init.d/smb startt This worked for me (after Windows updated its browse list). Dave Hopkins > I recently read a message that stated that the order in which Samba and > Cups boot can affect the ability of a Windows XP PRO machine to find a > printer that is on the K12LTSP server's USB port. How do I check and > change the order that these two routines boot so I can see if this will > solve my problem? > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 02:18:41 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Chinese fonts (again) In-Reply-To: <20040825215032.26425.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <20040826021841.99698.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> When I installed 4.1, there was a screen that asked me what languages did I want supported on the box, if you skip the screen, only english is checked. If you already have 4.1 installed, you can break out your CDs and install the language rpms. That should work but ive never put languages on via the rpms (don't know which ones to choose) so I always remember to install the languages when im installing the OS. Here is a list of rpms on the 4.1 CD that you might want to consider installing: kde-i18n-Chinese-Big5-3.2.2-2.noarch.rpm kde-i18n-Chinese-3.2.2-2.noarch.rpm ttfonts-zh_CN-2.14-4.noarch.rpm ttfonts-zh_TW-2.11-26.noarch.rpm There are most likely more things to install but I don't know. I hope this gives you some suggestions. Chris --- Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > Hi all, > > I posted this earlier and got no responses, so > either I've got you stumped or I've been forgotten > (posting on a weekend couldn't have helped). > > Here's what I'm trying to do: > > I would like the option, when logging in to ANY > computer or ANY user account, of being able to pick > three languages... Chinese simplified, traditional, > or English. I want English to be the default. > Currently when I try this by selecting Chinese in > the pull down menu at login, it gives me some > bizarre characters that aren't Chinese. > > I don't particularly want the input system to be > chinese... Just the browser and the desktop. > > I have looked at some how tos and rpms, but > honestly, I'm not all sure that they're what I want. > Is there a way I can get this all to peacefully > coexist on my X server? Is there more to it than > just installing the correct fonts? > > thanks > Kristin > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 26 02:48:30 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:48:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh in K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1093458912.18131.32.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20040825160019.4B3287361B@hormel.redhat.com> <1093458912.18131.32.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <412D4F7E.60001@cox.net> Not sure what the script did, but here's what worked for me: edit /etc/profile and add this: OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 Make sure you also append it to the export line with the other env variables. I couldn't find this information anywhere on the web, but the openoffice guys on freenode IRC were really helpful. Luis John Baillie wrote: >Hello, > >I ran the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh >But it did not take. > >I searched the archives and found this: >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Note that these instructions do not work with K12LTSP 4.0.0. This works >fine with K12LTSP 3.1.x. K12LTSP 4.0.1 fixes this bug in 4.0.0. You can >run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" or "yum upgrade" to install the >latest packages." >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >ref: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-February/msg00992.html > >Does this apply to K12 4.1 also? > >Thanks, >John > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Aug 26 02:59:38 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:59:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: <412BD1EB.3000404@mtaonline.net> References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> < > <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> < > < > <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <412BD1EB.3000404@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: > >Eric's work on whitebox gave me the idea that k12ltsp could possibly >become modular It is modular....you can install the k12ltsp rpm's on top of whatever distro you want. You can even download them seperately. Install it on SUSE and let us know how it goes :-) Remember, K12LTSP was designed with "turn-key" in mind. I like the idea of being able to download an ISO....burn it....load it to a server and be up in running in a short time. The more experienced and geekier I am the more I might want to use another distro or whatever, but we MUST keep the newbies and all in mind. I am an experienced Linux user, but I prefer the turnkey installation and run it myself. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Aug 26 00:00:08 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:00:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <412BD1EB.3000404@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <20040825200008.0c9af429.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:59:38 -0400 "David Trask" wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > > > >Eric's work on whitebox gave me the idea that k12ltsp could possibly > >become modular > > It is modular....you can install the k12ltsp rpm's on top of whatever > distro you want. You can even download them seperately. Install it > on SUSE and let us know how it goes :-) Remember, K12LTSP was > designed with"turn-key" in mind. I like the idea of being able to > download an ISO....burn it....load it to a server and be up in running > in a short time. The more experienced and geekier I am the more I > might want to use another distro or whatever, but we MUST keep the > newbies and all in mind. I am an experienced Linux user, but I prefer > the turnkey installation and run it myself. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > I just want to agree with David -- I first tried K12LTSP when I was still low on the Linux skills list (only been using it at home for about 2 yrs off and on). At that time, K12LTSP with the ISO, and "turn-key" idea was perfect. Since then, my skills, and prefered distro have changed. I have installed LTSP ontop of my home Debian system and still use K12LTSP at school. I have less time at school (I'm the math teacher, not tech guy) so I love the "turn-key" approach. But for my home system, I perfer Debian for a large # of reasons. Keep up the good work everyone -- You have all produced a wonderful product, and I am glad to be part of it --Even if it is just a TINY TINY bit. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 26 03:35:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh in K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: <412D4F7E.60001@cox.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Luis Montes wrote: >Not sure what the script did, but here's what worked for me: > >edit /etc/profile and add this: > >OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 > >Make sure you also append it to the export line with the other env >variables. >I couldn't find this information anywhere on the web, but the openoffice >guys on freenode IRC were really helpful. Oh how do I wish I knew about that little bit of magic! I'll add this to the next builds of K12LTSP, it is so much easier and less error-prone than my current hack. The "right" way to do this is to create a file in /etc/profile.d/ let's call it /etc/profile.d/ooo-ms-defaults.sh and include the following: export OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 -Eric BTW, google only has three hits on this. One is in a changelog on the debian-openoffice list, one is deep in a long perl script, and the last one just happens to be included as contextual data in a non-related patch. This is definately not common knowledge! From adfour at mtaonline.net Thu Aug 26 04:01:05 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:01:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *sigh* FC2 issues In-Reply-To: References: <8DA4240136DC0E4F942F49709C8D0B7501027F17@ds-mx2.dsusd.k12.ca.us> <200408220958.35888.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <200408222354.57905.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <412BD1EB.3000404@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <412D6081.6050609@mtaonline.net> I agree --a simple turnkey system is vital. Picking an experimental distro to do it is a little odd I had thought of something like a modified freeduc w/ltsp as the most basic level/turnkey. What most of us actually use as k12ltsp is some pretty heavy stuff.... What rpms are there besides the ltsp.org package, and OO and kde ed. ? From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 26 05:05:32 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:05:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh in K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412D6F9C.7010203@cox.net> I hope this setting is something that sticks around in future releases. At least until the world wises up and switches to OO.o Writer .sxw files. While we're goofing around with environmental variables, I've got a question: Is there a way to set other env variables by workstation in lts.conf ? Would be kind of cool to be able to set any variable that any program may need. For example, maybe I wanted to tweak the Mtools GUI to read from the floppy or CD drive on one machine in a section of the lab. Lets say that I have 7 of the cool disklessworkstations.com thin clients against one wall, and 7 others on another. And on each wall an old pc with a floppy and CD. Seems like env vars specific to the thin clients would be ideal to have each row of thin clients able to use the floppy & CD close to them. Maybe some type of env var defintion arbitrarily assigned in the lts.conf. Starting with a "ENV_" ? Those could be picked up when the thin client connects, and pre-pended to the logging in user's env? Am I way off base here? Is there already a way to handle this? Luis Eric Harrison wrote: >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Luis Montes wrote: > > > >>Not sure what the script did, but here's what worked for me: >> >>edit /etc/profile and add this: >> >>OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 >> >>Make sure you also append it to the export line with the other env >>variables. >>I couldn't find this information anywhere on the web, but the openoffice >>guys on freenode IRC were really helpful. >> >> > >Oh how do I wish I knew about that little bit of magic! > >I'll add this to the next builds of K12LTSP, it is so much easier and >less error-prone than my current hack. > >The "right" way to do this is to create a file in /etc/profile.d/ >let's call it /etc/profile.d/ooo-ms-defaults.sh and include the >following: > > export OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 > >-Eric > >BTW, google only has three hits on this. One is in a changelog on >the debian-openoffice list, one is deep in a long perl script, and >the last one just happens to be included as contextual data in a >non-related patch. This is definately not common knowledge! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 22 12:55:32 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:55:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP on same network as Windows In-Reply-To: <200408221213.i7MCDDO03656@downeast.net> References: <200408221213.i7MCDDO03656@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20040822125532.GC32710@mcquil.com> On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:05:02PM +0000, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > fwiw.. i Really like alternate dhcp as a dsolution.one nic....completely > transparent to windows...ltsp available at all terminals in a variety of > ways (web based from mac or windows....straightup ltsp)chuck The problem with that, is you can't use PXE for booting. There's no way that i've seen to tell PXE to use an alternate port. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From julius at turtle.com Thu Aug 26 12:00:15 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - how to clear squid ip cache? In-Reply-To: <1093469729.6090.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 15:47, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > OK, Folks. I tried Eric's suggestion to no avail (of course I cleaned > > history and local cache). I tried than to recreate the cache files on the > > squid server. I went further than recreating - I removed the old ones > > first. All to no avail. Mozilla still goes to the old address of the test > > site. And yes. I know it is squid, because when i remove redirection on > > the k12 server, the browsers go to the correct site. Any ideas? julius > > On the squid server, or wherever /etc/resolv.conf points it's DNS > resolution, restart named to clear the DNS cache. If it is > RH/fedora, use 'service named restart'. The length of time a > DNS address can be cached is set in the originating zone file. > When someone is planning to change an address they should tune > down the time-to-live ahead of time. If your resolv.conf points > to more than one resolver, be sure they are all restarted to > flush the cache. Nslookup or dig on the squid box will tell you > where it will go. > Les, therein lies the problem - nslookup and dig point to the right site, squid gets pages from the wrong one. julius From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 26 12:45:25 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:45:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - how to clear squid ip cache? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093524325.18592.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 07:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > If your resolv.conf points > > to more than one resolver, be sure they are all restarted to > > flush the cache. Nslookup or dig on the squid box will tell you > > where it will go. > > > Les, > therein lies the problem - nslookup and dig point to the right > site, squid gets pages from the wrong one. julius Squid does have its own separate process to access DNS that might have its own cache. Have you restarted squid after DNS started returning the right address? Squid has about a million other options (redirector, parent cache, etc.) that might affect things but those would be less likely. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Thu Aug 26 13:28:57 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - how to clear squid ip cache? - resolution In-Reply-To: <1093469729.6090.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 15:47, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > OK, Folks. I tried Eric's suggestion to no avail (of course I cleaned > > history and local cache). I tried than to recreate the cache files on the > > squid server. I went further than recreating - I removed the old ones > > first. All to no avail. Mozilla still goes to the old address of the test > > site. And yes. I know it is squid, because when i remove redirection on > > the k12 server, the browsers go to the correct site. Any ideas? julius > > On the squid server, or wherever /etc/resolv.conf points it's DNS > resolution, restart named to clear the DNS cache. If it is > RH/fedora, use 'service named restart'. The length of time a > DNS address can be cached is set in the originating zone file. > When someone is planning to change an address they should tune > down the time-to-live ahead of time. If your resolv.conf points > to more than one resolver, be sure they are all restarted to > flush the cache. Nslookup or dig on the squid box will tell you > where it will go. > OK, Folks, as usual stupidity rules. The problem was caused by an old entry in /etc/hosts file on the squid server. squid is local to the server, so it doesn't have to hit named for the name resolution, it actually uses /etc/hosts first. the overall result was that the dig command on the server and on the client machines was showing the right address, but the actual access was going to the old, wrong address. I am embarassed, but I did get something out of it - I now can clean out the squid cache. Thank you all. julius From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 26 13:50:16 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:50:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:adjust size of toolbar in icewm? Message-ID: <412DEA98.6000604@maltzen.net> Is there a way to adjust the size of the toolbar/taskbar in icewm? Or is that just a function of the resolution? I know there's the TaskBarDoubleHeight setting in preferences, but that just puts two rows on the toolbar. The problem is that the users are saying the icons on the toolbar are too small to easily read. Petre From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 26 16:45:06 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:45:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh in K12LTSP ver 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412E1392.6050103@paasda.org> BTW, google only has three hits on this. Sounds like Gavin needs to get busy and add this bit of info to his 'HOWTO' site *nudge nudge* =) --Huck From rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu Thu Aug 26 19:47:19 2004 From: rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu (ROGER (Tripp) LOWE) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:47:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... Message-ID: What other boot alternatives do I have. Apparently, the Marvell LAN (onboard) is not supported by Etherboot (see reply from Timothy Legge). I could put another NIC in, but I want to use them at 1000, not 100 (I only have more 10/100s). If I install Linux on this machine and update the LAN driver, can I create a boot disk (automatically) to boot diskless? (I'm fishin' here...) As a last resort, could I install a minimal install on the harddrive to initiate the LAN and then boot from the server? I don't mind being creative, so if anybody has ANY suggestions, I'd love to hear them. In the mean-time, I'll be the one in the lab banging my head against the wall. Bandages anyone? Thanks. Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) >>> rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu 08/24/04 04:57PM >>> Hey Folks, I am having problems booting a client machine using PXE. The motherboard is an ASUS p4p800-e deluxe with an onboard gigabit LAN (Marvell 88E8001). When I boot the client, I get the following error on the client... ---------------------------------------------------- Freeing /linuxrc mounting /proc ERROR! Could not automatically detect network card.... ...... Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! ---------------------------------------------------- I get the following message on the server -------------------------------------- Aug 25 04:36:49 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:50 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 1 leases to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 08:36:53 server in.tftpd[2926]: tftp: client does not accept options ------------------------------------------- Can somebody help me out? I'd boot from a disk, but can not figure out which selection(s) to try on www.rom-o-matic.com. Thanks, Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu Thu Aug 26 19:52:04 2004 From: rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu (ROGER (Tripp) LOWE) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:52:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... Message-ID: I should have attached my initial post. It follows. Sorry for the multiple e-mails. Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) >>> rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu 08/24/04 04:57PM >>> Hey Folks, I am having problems booting a client machine using PXE. The motherboard is an ASUS p4p800-e deluxe with an onboard gigabit LAN (Marvell 88E8001). When I boot the client, I get the following error on the client... ---------------------------------------------------- Freeing /linuxrc mounting /proc ERROR! Could not automatically detect network card.... ...... Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! ---------------------------------------------------- I get the following message on the server -------------------------------------- Aug 25 04:36:49 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:50 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: Wrote 1 leases to leases file. Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 04:36:53 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:0e:a6:95:89:e0 via eth0 Aug 25 08:36:53 server in.tftpd[2926]: tftp: client does not accept options ------------------------------------------- Can somebody help me out? I'd boot from a disk, but can not figure out which selection(s) to try on www.rom-o-matic.com. Thanks, Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 26 20:20:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:20:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093551603.21786.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:47, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > I don't mind being creative, so if anybody has ANY suggestions, I'd love to hear them. > > In the mean-time, I'll be the one in the lab banging my head against the wall. Bandages anyone? Can you boot it from a knoppix CD (new one was just released a week or so ago)? If you enter 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt, then 'X -query server' when you get a command prompt you should be running as a thin client. Knoppix offers various way to install on the hard drive or customize the CD. Maybe someone can crank out a custom CD to use with all the hardware that knoppix can detect (pcmcia, wireless, etc.). You'd have to work a little to get sound and floppy access to mesh with ltsp but basic X should be easy enough. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aaa at pacifier.com Thu Aug 26 20:39:54 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (aaa at pacifier.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together Message-ID: <63741.65.183.210.2.1093552794.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> I am building a firewall/proxy/filter box out of 4.1.0, shorewall, squid, and dansguardian. Shorewall is working. Squid is working. When I try to run dansguardian I get a 'failed' message. Looing at /var/log/messages I see something close to the following: 'cannot connect to test proxy' What should my next step be? Duane Wilson From rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu Thu Aug 26 20:53:37 2004 From: rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu (ROGER (Tripp) LOWE) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:53:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... Message-ID: I can boot the machine in Knoppix when it is disconnected from the switch. Once booted, I can connect the switch and gain access to the network. If I boot with the network cable connected, the startup process hangs at the point where the network is being configured. Does that shed light on the situation? Problem with the DHCP server? Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) >>> les at futuresource.com 08/26/04 04:20PM >>> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 14:47, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > I don't mind being creative, so if anybody has ANY suggestions, I'd love to hear them. > > In the mean-time, I'll be the one in the lab banging my head against the wall. Bandages anyone? Can you boot it from a knoppix CD (new one was just released a week or so ago)? If you enter 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt, then 'X -query server' when you get a command prompt you should be running as a thin client. Knoppix offers various way to install on the hard drive or customize the CD. Maybe someone can crank out a custom CD to use with all the hardware that knoppix can detect (pcmcia, wireless, etc.). You'd have to work a little to get sound and floppy access to mesh with ltsp but basic X should be easy enough. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 26 21:05:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:05:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093554329.21786.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 15:53, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > I can boot the machine in Knoppix when it is disconnected from the switch.. > Once booted, I can connect the switch and gain access to the network. > If I boot with the network cable connected, the startup process hangs > at the point where the network is being configured. > > Does that shed light on the situation? Problem with the DHCP server? How long did you wait and is this different than other machines? Depending on your switch configuration you may have to wait for spanning-tree to complete before DHCP requests will go through. This can take 30 seconds to a minute depending on how the NIC is initialized. I don't know how knoppix handles retries if the first attempt fails. If the switch is managed you may be able to eliminate the delay. Or, if you make a custom CD you can probably tweak the startup script to deal with it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu Thu Aug 26 21:11:48 2004 From: rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu (ROGER (Tripp) LOWE) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:11:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... Message-ID: I waited a couple of minutes (2 or 3). The switch is sitting right next to the machines. I can switch things around as I need. Tripp Lowe GIS Lab Manager D. B. Warnell School of Forest Resources The University of Georgia (706) 542-1074 rcl7820 at owl.forestry.uga.edu "... don't think of it as work. The whole point is just to enjoy yourself." Otter (1978) >>> les at futuresource.com 08/26/04 05:05PM >>> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 15:53, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > I can boot the machine in Knoppix when it is disconnected from the switch.. > Once booted, I can connect the switch and gain access to the network. > If I boot with the network cable connected, the startup process hangs > at the point where the network is being configured. > > Does that shed light on the situation? Problem with the DHCP server? How long did you wait and is this different than other machines? Depending on your switch configuration you may have to wait for spanning-tree to complete before DHCP requests will go through. This can take 30 seconds to a minute depending on how the NIC is initialized. I don't know how knoppix handles retries if the first attempt fails. If the switch is managed you may be able to eliminate the delay. Or, if you make a custom CD you can probably tweak the startup script to deal with it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Aug 26 21:58:53 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:58:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing Message-ID: <412E5D1D.2000508@nsd.org> Hi, I have been requested to set up a file server as a backup server for 6000 Mac clients. Does anyone here have any data on number of connections that a linux machine can comfortable support? Expected load is: - 3000 connections over 4 hours - up to 100 concurrent connections - connect via nfs share - use psync (mac rsync) to sync client to server - from 0 - 10MB uploaded per connection - from 0 - 2GB of data on the server/person Proposed system: - Dual processor, AMD, Supermicro - Dual 1GB nics bonded together (can this be done on linux) - debian or redhat linux - adaptec 39320 scsi card with dual channels - infortrend eonstor sata- scsi raid Any advice appreciated. cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 26 22:35:34 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:35:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093559734.21915.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 16:11, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > I waited a couple of minutes (2 or 3). The switch is sitting right next to > the machines. I can switch things around as I need. That should have been enough, but if you can see the switch you may be able to tell from the port lights when it stabilizes. See if there is a difference between booting connected and plugging in after. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Aug 26 22:40:02 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:40:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? Message-ID: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> Hi, The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster for this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with M$). Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory control, invoicing and basic accounting. All help is greating appreciated thank you norbert From rfreidel at computergeex.com Thu Aug 26 22:42:55 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:42:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together Message-ID: <20040826.mqZ.92853800@192.168.10.16> Hi, That usually means that squid is not working, if you check your squid logs you'll see where the problem is. Did you build your cache... squid -z Dansguardian is the easy part, squid/iptables (for transparent filtering) is the tricky stuff to get right. aaa at pacifier.com wrote: > > I am building a firewall/proxy/filter box out of 4.1.0, shorewall, squid, > and dansguardian. > > Shorewall is working. > Squid is working. > When I try to run dansguardian I get a 'failed' message. > > Looing at /var/log/messages I see something close to the following: > 'cannot connect to test proxy' > > What should my next step be? > > Duane Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Aug 26 22:54:26 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:54:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? In-Reply-To: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> References: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1093560866.17613.34.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 15:40, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster for > this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with M$). > Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory > control, invoicing and basic accounting. Gnucash is good for basic accounting, but I don't have any suggestions off hand for the others. There was a local business in my area that was using a web-based Invoicing / inventory / POS stuff. The clerk knew it was written in PHP, but didn't know anything else about it. He seemed to think one of the owners of the business wrote it, but I doubt he did it from scratch. I would guess it was actually an OSS project that they had re-tooled. Bottom line I guess, is that I think something like what you are looking for exists out there. Now for the finding... :-\ -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 26 23:05:20 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:05:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? In-Reply-To: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> References: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> Message-ID: <412E6CB0.1060801@paasda.org> I'd hit freshmeat.net and search there.. tons of juicy apps there... --Huck norbert wrote: > Hi, > > The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster > for this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with > M$). > Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory > control, invoicing and basic accounting. > > All help is greating appreciated > > thank you > > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rfreidel at computergeex.com Thu Aug 26 23:02:58 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:02:58 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? Message-ID: <20040826.plM.82030100@192.168.10.16> You might take a look at phpgroupware, and its module ck-ledger. its a php/mysql app that works quite well. Though our office manager does find things to complain about with it. Personally I use it mostly for email and storing files, the calendar works quite well, but I havent used the invoicing feature, but I know it works. norbert (bear2bar at netscape.net) wrote: > > Hi, > > The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster for > this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with M$). > Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory > control, invoicing and basic accounting. > > All help is greating appreciated > > thank you > > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Aug 26 23:11:07 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:11:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? In-Reply-To: <1093560866.17613.34.camel@localhost> References: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> <1093560866.17613.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <412E6E0B.5040402@nsd.org> If you need inventory control, gnucash will not work. I haved used sql-ledger (www.sql-ledger.org) for years and it works great. It has everything you need for inventory control and accounting. The only thing I find lacking is budgeting, nice graphs, and payroll. cheers, ski Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 15:40, norbert wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster for >>this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with M$). >>Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory >>control, invoicing and basic accounting. > > > Gnucash is good for basic accounting, but I don't have any suggestions > off hand for the others. There was a local business in my area that was > using a web-based Invoicing / inventory / POS stuff. The clerk knew it > was written in PHP, but didn't know anything else about it. He seemed to > think one of the owners of the business wrote it, but I doubt he did it > from scratch. I would guess it was actually an OSS project that they had > re-tooled. Bottom line I guess, is that I think something like what you > are looking for exists out there. Now for the finding... :-\ > -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Aug 26 23:14:21 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:14:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Problems In-Reply-To: <000501c48b0c$ccd0a230$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000501c48b0c$ccd0a230$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1093562061.3739.89.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 18:34, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > The reason I bring this up is that we were going to train in the staff > today on how to access their new Linux shares via the Macintosh clients, > but when I went to demonstrate the machines locked up immediately after > authentication (just saw a shadow of the window to come that is supposed > to list the shares available for mounting). I was wondering if this is > typical what you were experiencing when the files corrupted. You might try a newer version of netatalk. I've been rebuilding whatever version is newest from Fedora Development, with good results. YMMV. We experienced similar symptoms w/ the netatalk 1.5 -> 1.6 transition. All was fixed for us by nuking the existing .AppleDB folders in home directories and shares and setting appropriate permissions on the .AppleDB in the shares once they'd been recreated. Log in once from a Mac as someone who can write to the share. Copy a file up to the share. $ chgrp -R your_group /path/to/share $ chmod -R g+rw /path/to/share $ chmod g+s /path/to/share/.AppleDB Again, this was only needed on our shares. Home directories weren't affected, because they obviously had ownership and permissions to write to the .AppleDB folder. Everything has been hunky-dory since we did that. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Aug 26 23:16:32 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:16:32 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093562192.8780.166.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 16:47, ROGER (Tripp) LOWE wrote: > What other boot alternatives do I have. Apparently, the Marvell LAN (onboard) is not > supported by Etherboot (see reply from Timothy Legge). I could put another NIC in, but > I want to use them at 1000, not 100 (I only have more 10/100s). > > If I install Linux on this machine and update the LAN driver, can I create a boot disk (automatically) > to boot diskless? > > (I'm fishin' here...) > As a last resort, could I install a minimal install on the harddrive to initiate the LAN and then boot from the server? > > I don't mind being creative, so if anybody has ANY suggestions, I'd love to hear them. > Your trouble is that the ltsp kernel is not recognizing the nic. I have been talking to Jim McQuillan on irc and asked him to add the following pci ids: 1186:4c00 sk98lin 11ab:4320 sk98lin 1371:434e sk98lin 1737:1032 sk98lin 1737:1064 sk98lin I would imagine that if you ran lspci -n on that machine you would see one of those. I will ask him if there is a way to force the linux kernel loaded by pxelinux to recognize those but I imagine it will require a new kernel. Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Aug 26 23:22:08 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:22:08 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot problems... In-Reply-To: <1093562192.8780.166.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1093562192.8780.166.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1093562527.8780.169.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 20:16, Timothy Legge wrote: > I will ask him if there is a way to force the linux kernel loaded by > pxelinux to recognize those but I imagine it will require a new kernel. There is. Edit: /tftpboot/lts/2.4.24-ltsp-1/pxelinux.cfg/default and add NIC=sk98lin to the end of the append line. Substitute with your kernel and tftp location. Tim From aaa at pacifier.com Thu Aug 26 23:24:25 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (aaa at pacifier.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together In-Reply-To: <20040826.mqZ.92853800@192.168.10.16> References: <20040826.mqZ.92853800@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <62317.65.183.210.2.1093562665.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> 'service squid status' says 'squid is running' 'squid -z' says 'squid is running' cache.log doesn't give me any clues. the last entry was at 08:55 this am. I just tried starting dansguardian again and failed. - no change in squid chache.log after try. What Am I Missing??? Thanks, Duane > Hi, > > That usually means that squid is not working, if you check your squid logs > you'll see where the problem is. > > Did you build your cache... squid -z > > Dansguardian is the easy part, squid/iptables (for transparent filtering) > is > the tricky stuff to get right. > > > > aaa at pacifier.com wrote: >> >> I am building a firewall/proxy/filter box out of 4.1.0, shorewall, >> squid, >> and dansguardian. >> >> Shorewall is working. >> Squid is working. >> When I try to run dansguardian I get a 'failed' message. >> >> Looing at /var/log/messages I see something close to the following: >> 'cannot connect to test proxy' >> >> What should my next step be? >> >> Duane Wilson >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -- > Ron Freidel > Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. > http://leroy.homeunix.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 26 23:29:01 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:29:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? Message-ID: <20040826232902.FSSR12802.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> If you're looking at enterprise level ERP/CRM type stuff you might want to take a look at compiere.org Compiere is free, but it does require you to own an oracle database license. Luis > > From: norbert > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu PM 06:40:02 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? > > Hi, > > The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster for > this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with M$). > Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory > control, invoicing and basic accounting. > > All help is greating appreciated > > thank you > > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rfreidel at computergeex.com Fri Aug 27 00:26:33 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:26:33 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together Message-ID: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> Do you see something like this in squid's cache.log? 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE6 for i686-pc-linux-gnu... 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Process ID 2016 2004/08/26 08:17:25| With 1024 file descriptors available 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Performing DNS Tests... 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Successful DNS name lookup tests... 2004/08/26 08:17:25| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32768, FD 4 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Adding nameserver 65.19.193.21 from /etc/resolv.conf 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Adding nameserver 199.104.81.3 from /etc/resolv.conf 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Adding nameserver 65.19.208.21 from /etc/resolv.conf 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 9 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Target number of buckets: 393 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Using 8192 Store buckets 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Max Mem size: 8192 KB 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Max Swap size: 102400 KB 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Rebuilding storage in /usr/local/squid/var/cache (CLEAN) 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Using Least Load store dir selection 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Set Current Directory to /usr/local/squid/var/cache 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Loaded Icons. 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD 11. 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 12. 2004/08/26 08:17:25| WCCP Disabled. 2004/08/26 08:17:25| Ready to serve requests. The things to look for are the nameservers, (yours will be different) and that last one "Ready to serve requests" I assume you have squid.conf configured to work with your local network. Here's the important stuff from one of my installations where I have transparent filtering working... httpd_accel_host virtual httpd_accel_with_proxy on httpd_accel_uses_host_header on acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 acl manager proto cache_object acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 acl our_network src 192.168.30.0/24 http_access allow our_network http_access allow all http_access allow localhost http_access deny all I find that is all a person needs to do in squid.conf, the defaults work the way they are. Theres only one thing that needs to be changed in dansguardian.conf, thats the url for your server, you don't even need to change that if you aren't running apache on the firewall. Then there's only a little tweaking to do to your firewall script to get transparent filtering working, then you'll get calls about teachers not being able to access their msn email :) But that is fixed with dansguardian. Hope this helps. aaa at pacifier.com wrote: > > 'service squid status' says 'squid is running' > 'squid -z' says 'squid is running' > > cache.log doesn't give me any clues. the last entry was at 08:55 this am. > > I just tried starting dansguardian again and failed. - no change in squid > chache.log after try. > > What Am I Missing??? > Thanks, > Duane > > > Hi, > > > > That usually means that squid is not working, if you check your squid logs > > you'll see where the problem is. > > > > Did you build your cache... squid -z > > > > Dansguardian is the easy part, squid/iptables (for transparent filtering) > > is > > the tricky stuff to get right. > > > > > > > > aaa at pacifier.com wrote: > >> > >> I am building a firewall/proxy/filter box out of 4.1.0, shorewall, > >> squid, > >> and dansguardian. > >> > >> Shorewall is working. > >> Squid is working. > >> When I try to run dansguardian I get a 'failed' message. > >> > >> Looing at /var/log/messages I see something close to the following: > >> 'cannot connect to test proxy' > >> > >> What should my next step be? > >> > >> Duane Wilson > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > -- > > Ron Freidel > > Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. > > http://leroy.homeunix.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com Fri Aug 27 01:44:20 2004 From: jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com (jeremy) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:44:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP Message-ID: <803E41E109A@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> Has anyone solve the problem of running AR on K12LTSP? I have thought about several solutions, but before I get started I figured I would ask here and save myself some time. Any info or tips would be appreciated greatly. Thanks, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 27 02:19:44 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:19:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing In-Reply-To: <412E5D1D.2000508@nsd.org> References: <412E5D1D.2000508@nsd.org> Message-ID: <8F6F6058-F7CF-11D8-BEEB-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 With this kind of load you are going to want the faster SCSI disks, probably in a raid 10 or 5. On Aug 26, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > Hi, > > I have been requested to set up a file server as a backup server for > 6000 Mac clients. Does anyone here have any data on number of > connections that a linux machine can comfortable support? Expected > load is: > > - 3000 connections over 4 hours > - up to 100 concurrent connections > - connect via nfs share > - use psync (mac rsync) to sync client to server > - from 0 - 10MB uploaded per connection > - from 0 - 2GB of data on the server/person > > Proposed system: > > - Dual processor, AMD, Supermicro > - Dual 1GB nics bonded together (can this be done on linux) > - debian or redhat linux > - adaptec 39320 scsi card with dual channels > - infortrend eonstor sata- scsi raid > > Any advice appreciated. > > cheers, > > ski > > -- > "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it > connected to the entire universe" John Muir > > Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEumkAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQMFACfbwBY+sfVK06hbZLuWVJgYBvh W9oAn2+Er6Lrl64ovVnpYnDyVUML4vni =f3GM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aaa at pacifier.com Fri Aug 27 04:39:53 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (aaa at pacifier.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together In-Reply-To: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> References: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <32982.65.183.203.134.1093581593.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> Some progress here. un-installed and re-installed squid. complained that it didn't have a visible_hostname, so I gave it one - "test" Then ran squid -z then it installed and I got a good looking squid.conf file. Next I asked dansguardian to start. It said it did. Now both programs say they are running. Dumb question: How do I tell if squid is actually caching? Dumb question 2: Why can I still get playboy.com to com up from my network computers if dansguardian is working???? Thanks for your help. Duane From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 05:34:21 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:34:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Message-ID: Thanks to TP, Sudev, and Andrew for helpful hints and general education (!) Here's where I am now at - re-installed K12LTSP after putting in the second network card eth0 & eth1 now both active have one ethernet cable supplying web to the server and a second cable running from the server to ethernet switch 10/100MBps and a third cable running from the switch to my test client machine. Made a boot floppy using bootrom from rom-o-matic but client finds no server. Some (not all) of the messages on the client screen: DellSystem Optiplex GXa300L EM+ Etherboot 5.0.1 Found 3Com905-TX at 0xDC80 Mac Address = 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 Connectors present: MII Searching for server (DHCP)... I have visited the LTSP support pages and tried this command netstat -an | grep ":67 " and have confirmed that DHCP is running and listening. I have added my client's mac address to the config file. The next thing on the list to try is ipchains -L -v and reponse is... bash: ipchains: command not found *Could this be a problem?* I also tried iptables -L -v and the response is... Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 4613 3412K RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 4314 packets, 2726K bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 2662 2503K ACCEPT all -- lo any anywhere anywhere 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere 0 0 ACCEPT icmp -- any any anywhere anywhere icmp any 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- any any anywhere anywhere 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- any any anywhere anywhere 1923 904K ACCEPT all -- any any anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:http 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:https 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh 28 4974 REJECT all -- any any anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited *Do I need to be worried about that REJECT at the end?* I've tried plugging the cable into another newer client with another boot floppy but the response is much the same - No server found. Which makes me think that it's a problem at the server end. I have webmin up and running if that can help me at all. If anyone can throw some suggestions my way I'd be very grateful. I have a meeting with our principal on Monday and he will want to know how the trial is going. I *SO* do not want to give up and go the windows 2003 route. Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ http://www.debstar.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Aug 27 05:45:39 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 27 Aug 2004 11:15:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093585539.6502.17.camel@server.ltsp> yes, stop iptables !! you can do by any of theses service iptables stop /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables stop iptables -F hope this will help regards, bimal pandit On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Thanks to TP, Sudev, and Andrew for helpful hints and general education (!) > > Here's where I am now at - > > re-installed K12LTSP after putting in the second network card > eth0 & eth1 now both active > > have one ethernet cable supplying web to the server > and a second cable running from the server to ethernet switch 10/100MBps > and a third cable running from the switch to my test client machine. > > Made a boot floppy using bootrom from rom-o-matic but client finds no > server. > > Some (not all) of the messages on the client screen: > > DellSystem Optiplex GXa300L EM+ > > Etherboot 5.0.1 > Found 3Com905-TX at 0xDC80 > Mac Address = 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 > Connectors present: MII > Searching for server (DHCP)... > > > > I have visited the LTSP support pages and tried this command > netstat -an | grep ":67 " > and have confirmed that DHCP is running and listening. > > I have added my client's mac address to the config file. > > The next thing on the list to try is > ipchains -L -v > and reponse is... > bash: ipchains: command not found > > *Could this be a problem?* > > I also tried > iptables -L -v > and the response is... > > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 4613 3412K RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 0 0 RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 4314 packets, 2726K bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > > Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 2662 2503K ACCEPT all -- lo any anywhere anywhere > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere > 0 0 ACCEPT icmp -- any any anywhere anywhere > icmp any > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- any any anywhere > anywhere > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- any any anywhere > anywhere > 1923 904K ACCEPT all -- any any anywhere anywhere > state RELATED,ESTABLISHED > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere > state NEW tcp dpt:http > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere > state NEW tcp dpt:https > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere > state NEW tcp dpt:ssh > 28 4974 REJECT all -- any any anywhere anywhere > reject-with icmp-host-prohibited > > > *Do I need to be worried about that REJECT at the end?* > > I've tried plugging the cable into another newer client with another boot > floppy but the response is much the same - No server found. Which makes me > think that it's a problem at the server end. > > I have webmin up and running if that can help me at all. > > If anyone can throw some suggestions my way I'd be very grateful. > I have a meeting with our principal on Monday and he will want to know how > the trial is going. I *SO* do not want to give up and go the windows 2003 > route. > > Thanks, > > Debbie > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ > http://www.debstar.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Aug 27 06:22:40 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:22:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <803E41E109A@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> References: <803E41E109A@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> Message-ID: <412ED330.5050509@cox.net> Before you start messing with wine or crossover (not that I've gotten that to work either), please contact their sales department and ask for a linux port. http://www.renlearn.com/support/default.htm I called them about year ago and eventually got to a somewhat technical person. They acted as though they had never even thought about doing a linux port. I really hate the fact that this software is so popular. I'm not a teacher, so I can't even vouch for the teaching value of this software. Luis jeremy wrote: > Has anyone solve the problem of running AR on K12LTSP? I have thought > about several solutions, but before I get started I figured I would > ask here and save myself some time. Any info or tips would be > appreciated greatly. > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 06:16:11 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:16:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Message-ID: Thanks Bimal, I've tried it... [root at server root]# service iptables stop Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: nat filter [ OK ] Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] and then restarted the client but it is still searching & sleeping!!! :o( Is it maybe the client's network card? >3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10.100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX) If you have anymore ideas, I'll give them a go. Thanks again, Debbie ----Original Message Follows---- From: bimal pandit Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." To: nospam at debstar.com,"software in schools." Support list for opensource Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Date: 27 Aug 2004 11:15:39 +0530 yes, stop iptables !! you can do by any of theses service iptables stop /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables stop iptables -F hope this will help regards, bimal pandit On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Thanks to TP, Sudev, and Andrew for helpful hints and general education (!) > > Here's where I am now at - > > re-installed K12LTSP after putting in the second network card > eth0 & eth1 now both active > > have one ethernet cable supplying web to the server > and a second cable running from the server to ethernet switch 10/100MBps > and a third cable running from the switch to my test client machine. > > Made a boot floppy using bootrom from rom-o-matic but client finds no > server. > > Some (not all) of the messages on the client screen: > > DellSystem Optiplex GXa300L EM+ > > Etherboot 5.0.1 > Found 3Com905-TX at 0xDC80 > Mac Address = 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 > Connectors present: MII > Searching for server (DHCP)... > > > > I have visited the LTSP support pages and tried this command > netstat -an | grep ":67 " > and have confirmed that DHCP is running and listening. > > I have added my client's mac address to the config file. > > The next thing on the list to try is > ipchains -L -v > and reponse is... > bash: ipchains: command not found > > *Could this be a problem?* > > I also tried > iptables -L -v > and the response is... > > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 4613 3412K RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 0 0 RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 4314 packets, 2726K bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > > Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 2662 2503K ACCEPT all -- lo any anywhere anywhere > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere > 0 0 ACCEPT icmp -- any any anywhere anywhere > icmp any > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- any any anywhere > anywhere > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- any any anywhere > anywhere > 1923 904K ACCEPT all -- any any anywhere anywhere > state RELATED,ESTABLISHED > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere > state NEW tcp dpt:http > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere > state NEW tcp dpt:https > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere > state NEW tcp dpt:ssh > 28 4974 REJECT all -- any any anywhere anywhere > reject-with icmp-host-prohibited > > > *Do I need to be worried about that REJECT at the end?* > > I've tried plugging the cable into another newer client with another boot > floppy but the response is much the same - No server found. Which makes me > think that it's a problem at the server end. > > I have webmin up and running if that can help me at all. > > If anyone can throw some suggestions my way I'd be very grateful. > I have a meeting with our principal on Monday and he will want to know how > the trial is going. I *SO* do not want to give up and go the windows 2003 > route. > > Thanks, > > Debbie > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ > http://www.debstar.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From jam at mcquil.com Thu Aug 26 22:57:12 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:57:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps? In-Reply-To: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> References: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20040826225712.GA32237@mcquil.com> Norbert, Take a look at SqlLedger It's a nice little A/R, A/P and G/L system. and I think it can do inventory too. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 06:40:02PM -0400, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster for > this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with M$). > Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory > control, invoicing and basic accounting. > > All help is greating appreciated > > thank you > > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dean at mumby.co.za Fri Aug 27 07:37:23 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:37:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Business apps?? In-Reply-To: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> References: <412E66C2.7090008@netscape.net> Message-ID: <412EE4B3.6050302@mumby.co.za> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > The school is looking at adding business applications to its roster > for this years program on the K12ltsp network, (much to expensive with > M$). > Does anyone have any recommendations for applications to run inventory > control, invoicing and basic accounting. > > All help is greating appreciated > > thank you > > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > there is an app developed in South Africa called cubit accounting ww.cubit.co.za it has tons of really nice features including ap/ar/sales/gl/inventory it is php based with postgres db. Regards Dean From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Aug 27 07:05:35 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 27 Aug 2004 12:35:35 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093590335.11193.9.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Debbie, also check which lan card is it!! i mean try swapping the cable, may be your client are requesting for the IP and other stuff(dhcp server) from the lancard which is used for web server!! or else for quick -- just connect both the cards(using cable) to your switch and see whether your clients are coming up. hope will help regards Bimal Pandit On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:46, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Thanks Bimal, > > I've tried it... > [root at server root]# service iptables stop > Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] > Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: nat filter [ OK ] > Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] > > and then restarted the client but it is still searching & sleeping!!! > :o( > > Is it maybe the client's network card? > >3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10.100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX) > > If you have anymore ideas, I'll give them a go. > > Thanks again, > > Debbie > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: bimal pandit > Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > To: nospam at debstar.com,"software in schools." Support list for opensource > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) > Date: 27 Aug 2004 11:15:39 +0530 > > yes, > > stop iptables !! > > you can do by any of theses > > service iptables stop > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables stop > > iptables -F > > hope this will help > > regards, > > bimal pandit > > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > Thanks to TP, Sudev, and Andrew for helpful hints and general education > (!) > > > > Here's where I am now at - > > > > re-installed K12LTSP after putting in the second network card > > eth0 & eth1 now both active > > > > have one ethernet cable supplying web to the server > > and a second cable running from the server to ethernet switch 10/100MBps > > and a third cable running from the switch to my test client machine. > > > > Made a boot floppy using bootrom from rom-o-matic but client finds no > > server. > > > > Some (not all) of the messages on the client screen: > > > > DellSystem Optiplex GXa300L EM+ > > > > Etherboot 5.0.1 > > Found 3Com905-TX at 0xDC80 > > Mac Address = 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 > > Connectors present: MII > > Searching for server (DHCP)... > > > > > > > > I have visited the LTSP support pages and tried this command > > netstat -an | grep ":67 " > > and have confirmed that DHCP is running and listening. > > > > I have added my client's mac address to the config file. > > > > The next thing on the list to try is > > ipchains -L -v > > and reponse is... > > bash: ipchains: command not found > > > > *Could this be a problem?* > > > > I also tried > > iptables -L -v > > and the response is... > > > > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > 4613 3412K RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > 0 0 RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 4314 packets, 2726K bytes) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > > > Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > 2662 2503K ACCEPT all -- lo any anywhere > anywhere > > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 any anywhere > anywhere > > 0 0 ACCEPT icmp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > icmp any > > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > 1923 904K ACCEPT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state RELATED,ESTABLISHED > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state NEW tcp dpt:http > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state NEW tcp dpt:https > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state NEW tcp dpt:ssh > > 28 4974 REJECT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > reject-with icmp-host-prohibited > > > > > > *Do I need to be worried about that REJECT at the end?* > > > > I've tried plugging the cable into another newer client with another boot > > floppy but the response is much the same - No server found. Which makes > me > > think that it's a problem at the server end. > > > > I have webmin up and running if that can help me at all. > > > > If anyone can throw some suggestions my way I'd be very grateful. > > I have a meeting with our principal on Monday and he will want to know > how > > the trial is going. I *SO* do not want to give up and go the windows 2003 > > route. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Debbie > > -- > > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ > > http://www.debstar.com/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 28 00:46:57 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:46:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Loading vmlinuz.ltsp Message-ID: <002101c48c98$862eace0$5cc3a4cb@boss> Hi All, This is where i can get to with my server running 4.0.1 /Client/ " Searching For Server..(DHCP) ..Me=192.168.0.253 (etc) loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmliniz.ltsp........ " Thats it. it gets no where, i have read the HOW TO Ver. 3 maybe theres something im doing wrong? Thanks Ben May Qld, Australia be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Aug 27 08:18:47 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:18:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh in K12LTSP ver 4.1 References: <412E1392.6050103@paasda.org> Message-ID: <006b01c48c0e$79e63fa0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hiya Huck... > BTW, google only has three hits on this. > > Sounds like Gavin needs to get busy and add this bit of info to his > 'HOWTO' site *nudge nudge* =) > > --Huck Point me in the direction of the HOWTO & I will have a look over it & try to make it into one of 'My Style HOWTOz.... ;-) Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Aug 27 08:21:15 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:21:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Authenicate to Netware - THE EASY WAY....(Only 4 Steps/30 Minz !!!) References: <001d01c48ac6$1ce1bc10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <412CD50E.3090907@paasda.org> Message-ID: <007201c48c0e$d25b3500$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Huck.... > ipx utils...assumes the novell system is using ipx....??? Well NCPFS depends on IPX being installed, But all the settings in the HOWTO Tell PAM to only use TCP & Not IPX........ > also a typo might wanna fix...although might be on purpose..but filters > might block because of it... > "raped" below aughta be 'wrapped' > > *NB: -!! The line above is word raped, it must all be on ONE line Only !!- Woopz... Yes this was a Typo... & has been rectified.. Thanx for the heads up... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Fri Aug 27 08:30:44 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:30:44 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Message-ID: Hi Bimal, A lot of detective work going on! I swapped the cables and rebooted and got this on startup: determining IP info for eth1... failed: no link present check cable? I also changed the cables around to check that they both worked, no flaws in the cables then. And I have also figured out how to make the client look for DHCP without a floppy boot (I'm learning a lot today). But still nothing.... so I'm going to try a different network card on eth0 and see if that helps. Thanks Bimal, I wouldn't have got this far without your help. Debbie ----Original Message Follows---- From: bimal pandit Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." To: nospam at debstar.com,"software in schools." Support list for opensource Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Date: 27 Aug 2004 12:35:35 +0530 Dear Debbie, also check which lan card is it!! i mean try swapping the cable, may be your client are requesting for the IP and other stuff(dhcp server) from the lancard which is used for web server!! or else for quick -- just connect both the cards(using cable) to your switch and see whether your clients are coming up. hope will help regards Bimal Pandit On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:46, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Thanks Bimal, > > I've tried it... > [root at server root]# service iptables stop > Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] > Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: nat filter [ OK ] > Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] > > and then restarted the client but it is still searching & sleeping!!! > :o( > > Is it maybe the client's network card? > >3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10.100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX) > > If you have anymore ideas, I'll give them a go. > > Thanks again, > > Debbie > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: bimal pandit > Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > To: nospam at debstar.com,"software in schools." Support list for opensource > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) > Date: 27 Aug 2004 11:15:39 +0530 > > yes, > > stop iptables !! > > you can do by any of theses > > service iptables stop > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables stop > > iptables -F > > hope this will help > > regards, > > bimal pandit > > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > Thanks to TP, Sudev, and Andrew for helpful hints and general education > (!) > > > > Here's where I am now at - > > > > re-installed K12LTSP after putting in the second network card > > eth0 & eth1 now both active > > > > have one ethernet cable supplying web to the server > > and a second cable running from the server to ethernet switch 10/100MBps > > and a third cable running from the switch to my test client machine. > > > > Made a boot floppy using bootrom from rom-o-matic but client finds no > > server. > > > > Some (not all) of the messages on the client screen: > > > > DellSystem Optiplex GXa300L EM+ > > > > Etherboot 5.0.1 > > Found 3Com905-TX at 0xDC80 > > Mac Address = 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 > > Connectors present: MII > > Searching for server (DHCP)... > > > > > > > > I have visited the LTSP support pages and tried this command > > netstat -an | grep ":67 " > > and have confirmed that DHCP is running and listening. > > > > I have added my client's mac address to the config file. > > > > The next thing on the list to try is > > ipchains -L -v > > and reponse is... > > bash: ipchains: command not found > > > > *Could this be a problem?* > > > > I also tried > > iptables -L -v > > and the response is... > > > > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > 4613 3412K RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > 0 0 RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 4314 packets, 2726K bytes) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > > > Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > destination > > 2662 2503K ACCEPT all -- lo any anywhere > anywhere > > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 any anywhere > anywhere > > 0 0 ACCEPT icmp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > icmp any > > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- any any anywhere > > anywhere > > 1923 904K ACCEPT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state RELATED,ESTABLISHED > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state NEW tcp dpt:http > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state NEW tcp dpt:https > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > state NEW tcp dpt:ssh > > 28 4974 REJECT all -- any any anywhere > anywhere > > reject-with icmp-host-prohibited > > > > > > *Do I need to be worried about that REJECT at the end?* > > > > I've tried plugging the cable into another newer client with another boot > > floppy but the response is much the same - No server found. Which makes > me > > think that it's a problem at the server end. > > > > I have webmin up and running if that can help me at all. > > > > If anyone can throw some suggestions my way I'd be very grateful. > > I have a meeting with our principal on Monday and he will want to know > how > > the trial is going. I *SO* do not want to give up and go the windows 2003 > > route. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Debbie > > -- > > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ > > http://www.debstar.com/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _________________________________________________________________ > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Aug 27 09:47:29 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:17:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093600048.12598.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 14:00, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Bimal, > > A lot of detective work going on! Debbie I maintain that first make a server with only one card and do not start any firewall. This would clear confusion about which is eth0 and eth1. After this starts and client boots then start a terminal and as root give command # neat and edit the properties of eth0 by binding the MAC address. Then add the second card for internet / other LAN access. Confusion is compounded by the fact that a 2.4 series kernel detects one cad as first and 2.6 series in reverse. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Aug 27 09:57:15 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 27 Aug 2004 15:27:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <002101c48c98$862eace0$5cc3a4cb@boss> References: <002101c48c98$862eace0$5cc3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <1093600635.16495.14.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Ben, this shows that your dhcp server is working fine and its time to get the kernel through tftp server and the location is being told by your dhcp server!! check this entry, filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; it seems you have entered mispelled file entry!! "loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmliniz.ltsp......." hope this will help regards Bimal Pandit On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 06:16, ben may wrote: > Hi All, > This is where i can get to with my server running 4.0.1 > /Client/ > " > Searching For Server..(DHCP) > ..Me=192.168.0.253 (etc) > loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmliniz.ltsp........ > " > Thats it. it gets no where, i have read the HOW TO Ver. 3 > maybe theres something im doing wrong? > Thanks > > Ben May > Qld, Australia > be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dean at mumby.co.za Fri Aug 27 10:03:10 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:03:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Hp T5515 Message-ID: <412F06DE.80008@mumby.co.za> Hi all I am looking into thin clients and have discovered this one from Hp . I was wondering if anyone had / is using these with k12LTSP 4.1 and what reports good or bad there may be. I was considering going for the jammin clients from www.disklessworkstations , but having local access to the hp's in South Africa will greatly reduce the cost of the clients. Regards Dean From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Fri Aug 27 11:44:38 2004 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jonathan White) Date: 27 Aug 2004 07:44:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <412ED330.5050509@cox.net> References: <803E41E109A@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> <412ED330.5050509@cox.net> Message-ID: <1093607070.2645.3.camel@jwhite.bms.shaker.k12.nh.us> Just got a marketing snail mail from Renisance yesterday. It said they'd come up with the perfect way to run AR (and the other Accelerated programs) on any network, including a Linux network. It is their new web based version of the Accelerated software. The flyer said that "all" you need to do to get AR running on your Linux network is install a Windows2000 or 2003 server and you'll be all set.:( I think it's safe to say that they still don't get it. On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 02:22, Luis Montes wrote: > Before you start messing with wine or crossover (not that I've gotten > that to work either), please contact their sales department and ask for > a linux port. > > http://www.renlearn.com/support/default.htm > > jeremy wrote: > > > Has anyone solve the problem of running AR on K12LTSP? I have thought > > about several solutions, but before I get started I figured I would > > ask here and save myself some time. Any info or tips would be > > appreciated greatly. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeremy -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com Fri Aug 27 11:55:30 2004 From: jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com (jeremy) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:55:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1093607070.2645.3.camel@jwhite.bms.shaker.k12.nh.us> Message-ID: I've seen the same thing. Our district just doesn't want to put the money out for the Web Based (SQL) Version just yet. AR on the linux terminals is low priority for the Administrators since we don't have the many of them. But, I have a few teachers asking me about it so I thought I would look into it. Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan White Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:45 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP Just got a marketing snail mail from Renisance yesterday. It said they'd come up with the perfect way to run AR (and the other Accelerated programs) on any network, including a Linux network. It is their new web based version of the Accelerated software. The flyer said that "all" you need to do to get AR running on your Linux network is install a Windows2000 or 2003 server and you'll be all set.:( I think it's safe to say that they still don't get it. On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 02:22, Luis Montes wrote: > Before you start messing with wine or crossover (not that I've gotten > that to work either), please contact their sales department and ask for > a linux port. > > http://www.renlearn.com/support/default.htm > > jeremy wrote: > > > Has anyone solve the problem of running AR on K12LTSP? I have thought > > about several solutions, but before I get started I figured I would > > ask here and save myself some time. Any info or tips would be > > appreciated greatly. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeremy -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 27 13:08:43 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:08:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] broken yum Message-ID: <412F325B.4030905@maltzen.net> When I run 'yum check-update' it fails and I get this: [petre at tcsrv petre]$ yum check-update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 60, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "yummain.py", line 188, in main File "clientStuff.py", line 766, in get_package_info_from_servers File "clientStuff.py", line 103, in HeaderInfoNevralLoad ValueError: unpack list of wrong size Anyone know what this means, and more important, how do I fix it? Petre From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Aug 27 13:32:25 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:32:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412F37E9.1010207@cox.net> It still doesn't look like we can use this. Take a look at the requirements: http://www.renlearn.com/ProductSystemRequirements.pdf I'm not happy about buying windows 2000 server just to use their software. If it would allow me to remove the few remaining win98 boxes on the network, then maybe. That said, it doesn't really matter. They are still using QuickTime5 for part of the client. Their client specifications don't even mention Linux. They just sort of threw the word "Linux" out there in the top of the page. I really don't understand why so many educational software developers are stuck on using quicktime. There are plenty of cross-platform ways to provide animated content. How about using flash, libSDL, or java? I still don't think Reaissance Learning gets it. Luis jeremy wrote: >I've seen the same thing. Our district just doesn't want to put the money >out for the Web Based (SQL) Version just yet. AR on the linux terminals is >low priority for the Administrators since we don't have the many of them. >But, I have a few teachers asking me about it so I thought I would look into >it. >Jeremy > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Jonathan White >Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:45 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP > >Just got a marketing snail mail from Renisance yesterday. It said they'd >come up with the perfect way to run AR (and the other Accelerated >programs) on any network, including a Linux network. It is their new web >based version of the Accelerated software. > >The flyer said that "all" you need to do to get AR running on your Linux >network is install a Windows2000 or 2003 server and you'll be all set.:( > >I think it's safe to say that they still don't get it. > > >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 02:22, Luis Montes wrote: > > >>Before you start messing with wine or crossover (not that I've gotten >>that to work either), please contact their sales department and ask for >>a linux port. >> >>http://www.renlearn.com/support/default.htm >> >> >> > > > >>jeremy wrote: >> >> >> >>>Has anyone solve the problem of running AR on K12LTSP? I have thought >>>about several solutions, but before I get started I figured I would >>>ask here and save myself some time. Any info or tips would be >>>appreciated greatly. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Jeremy >>> >>> From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 27 13:12:56 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:12:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] broken yum In-Reply-To: <412F325B.4030905@maltzen.net> References: <412F325B.4030905@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <412F3358.7060307@maltzen.net> Well, it appears to mean that one is trying to run yum without being root. However, as root, I'm getting a different problem: [root at tcsrv root]# yum check-update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - CrashHat retrygrab() failed for: http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/1/headers/header.info Executing failover method failover: out of servers to try Error getting file http://crash.fce.vutbr.cz/crash-hat/1/headers/header.info [Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest): Anyone know what that means? Petre Petre Scheie wrote: > When I run 'yum check-update' it fails and I get this: > > [petre at tcsrv petre]$ yum check-update > Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/yum", line 60, in ? > yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) > File "yummain.py", line 188, in main > File "clientStuff.py", line 766, in get_package_info_from_servers > File "clientStuff.py", line 103, in HeaderInfoNevralLoad > ValueError: unpack list of wrong size > > Anyone know what this means, and more important, how do I fix it? > > Petre > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Aug 27 13:20:17 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:20:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together In-Reply-To: <32982.65.183.203.134.1093581593.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> References: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> <32982.65.183.203.134.1093581593.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> Message-ID: <412F3511.2010402@msln.net> As far as squid is concerned tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log that will tail the log and you should see the requests coming through. I do not have experience yet with Dansguardian, so I can not say anything yet. Mark aaa at pacifier.com wrote: >Some progress here. >un-installed and re-installed squid. > >complained that it didn't have a visible_hostname, so I gave it one - "test" > >Then ran squid -z >then it installed and I got a good looking squid.conf file. > >Next I asked dansguardian to start. It said it did. > >Now both programs say they are running. > >Dumb question: > How do I tell if squid is actually caching? > >Dumb question 2: > Why can I still get playboy.com to com up from my network computers if >dansguardian is working???? > >Thanks for your help. > >Duane > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 27 13:52:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:52:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netatalk Problems In-Reply-To: <1093562061.3739.89.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <002101c48c3d$0b440f80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > You might try a newer version of netatalk. I've been > rebuilding whatever version is newest from Fedora > Development, with good results. YMMV. > > We experienced similar symptoms w/ the netatalk 1.5 -> 1.6 > transition. All was fixed for us by nuking the existing > .AppleDB folders in home directories and shares and setting > appropriate permissions on the .AppleDB in the shares once > they'd been recreated. > > Log in once from a Mac as someone who can write to the share. > Copy a file up to the share. $ chgrp -R your_group > /path/to/share $ chmod -R g+rw /path/to/share $ chmod g+s > /path/to/share/.AppleDB > > Again, this was only needed on our shares. Home directories > weren't affected, because they obviously had ownership and > permissions to write to the .AppleDB folder. Everything has > been hunky-dory since we did that. Thanks Dan. I will check out my Netatalk version and upgrade if possible. I will also set the permissions as you have suggested. Thanks again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Aug 27 14:21:07 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:21:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <002101c48c98$862eace0$5cc3a4cb@boss> References: <002101c48c98$862eace0$5cc3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <412F4353.4050904@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Ben, Does your server indeed have 192.168.0.254 on the eth0 interface? Also, did you put eth0 on the network for your thin clients? I'm assuming you're using the "standard" dual-NIC setup here. Also, do you have the firewall turned on? As root, try typing "iptables -L", and if you see any rules, that could be a problem. --TP ben may wrote: >Hi All, >This is where i can get to with my server running 4.0.1 >/Client/ >" >Searching For Server..(DHCP) >..Me=192.168.0.253 (etc) >loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmliniz.ltsp........ >" >Thats it. it gets no where, i have read the HOW TO Ver. 3 >maybe theres something im doing wrong? >Thanks > >Ben May >Qld, Australia >be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Aug 27 14:49:15 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:49:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <002101c48c98$862eace0$5cc3a4cb@boss> References: <002101c48c98$862eace0$5cc3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <20040827144915.GH32237@mcquil.com> Ben, Check the spelling in your dhcpd.conf file. In the error message, you say 'vmliniz', but it really should be 'vmlinuz'. Notice the difference between 'i' and 'u' ? To let us help you, you should do the following commands, and send us the results: 1) ls -lR /tftpboot/lts 2) iptables -L 3) netstat -anp | grep ":69 " Also, send us the following files: /etc/dhcpd.conf /etc/xinetd.d/tftp OR, you could drop into the #ltsp IRC channel on irc.freenode.net, where we can help you interactively. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 05:46:57PM -0700, ben may wrote: > Hi All, > This is where i can get to with my server running 4.0.1 > /Client/ > " > Searching For Server..(DHCP) > ..Me=192.168.0.253 (etc) > loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmliniz.ltsp........ > " > Thats it. it gets no where, i have read the HOW TO Ver. 3 > maybe theres something im doing wrong? > Thanks > > Ben May > Qld, Australia > be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Aug 27 15:18:38 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:18:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Artwork ? Message-ID: <001201c48c49$20b0dea0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... Does anybody know of any K12LTSP Artwork ? i.e CD-ROM Labels, Posters, Logos Desktop Wallpapers, Splash Screens and the such... Its just I'm really trying to push K12LTSP & another user from this list, Debbie make a really good 'Powered By' button that I have posted on my HOWTOz site @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/images/pwby_k12ltsp.png so anyone can get a copy to use on there own sites. It got me to thinking , Is there any other Artwork that people have that I could put all in one place so other people can get @ them.... & with talent like Debbie on the list I'm sure that we can come up with some pretty cool stuff... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From dgough at papcs.com Fri Aug 27 15:32:21 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:32:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C4B4@xms.papcs.com> Many of them don't "get it", but that's not the only problem. I think the bigger problem for educational software makers is that they have to support a huge and old code base in order to make their stuff run on EVERY version of Windows and Mac OS. We have several software packages that claim to run on everything from Windows 3.1 to XP AND Mac OS 7.X to OS X. Imagine trying to dig through all of that code to build something that also runs on Linux. Maybe some of this will be addressed by the acceptance of .NET/MONO. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Luis Montes Sent: August 27, 2004 6:32 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP It still doesn't look like we can use this. Take a look at the requirements: http://www.renlearn.com/ProductSystemRequirements.pdf I'm not happy about buying windows 2000 server just to use their software. If it would allow me to remove the few remaining win98 boxes on the network, then maybe. That said, it doesn't really matter. They are still using QuickTime5 for part of the client. Their client specifications don't even mention Linux. They just sort of threw the word "Linux" out there in the top of the page. I really don't understand why so many educational software developers are stuck on using quicktime. There are plenty of cross-platform ways to provide animated content. How about using flash, libSDL, or java? I still don't think Reaissance Learning gets it. Luis jeremy wrote: >I've seen the same thing. Our district just doesn't want to put the money >out for the Web Based (SQL) Version just yet. AR on the linux terminals is >low priority for the Administrators since we don't have the many of them. >But, I have a few teachers asking me about it so I thought I would look into >it. >Jeremy > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Jonathan White >Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:45 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP > >Just got a marketing snail mail from Renisance yesterday. It said they'd >come up with the perfect way to run AR (and the other Accelerated >programs) on any network, including a Linux network. It is their new web >based version of the Accelerated software. > >The flyer said that "all" you need to do to get AR running on your Linux >network is install a Windows2000 or 2003 server and you'll be all set.:( > >I think it's safe to say that they still don't get it. > > >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 02:22, Luis Montes wrote: > > >>Before you start messing with wine or crossover (not that I've gotten >>that to work either), please contact their sales department and ask for >>a linux port. >> >>http://www.renlearn.com/support/default.htm >> >> >> > > > >>jeremy wrote: >> >> >> >>>Has anyone solve the problem of running AR on K12LTSP? I have thought >>>about several solutions, but before I get started I figured I would >>>ask here and save myself some time. Any info or tips would be >>>appreciated greatly. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Jeremy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 27 15:39:10 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:39:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 Message-ID: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> I've uploaded an early alpha build of K12LTSP 3.2. This is a back-port of all the work that went into K12LTSP 4.1 to the "Enterprise Linux" versions. I'm using WBEL as an initial base, since I can redistribute that, but the final repositories will be setup to support RHEL as well. Apt/up2date/yum repositories are not currently available, just the ISOs. Note that this is still pretty rough around the edges and has almost zero testing. I have not even tried to boot a terminal off it yet. Obviously using this in a production environment is not recommended ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/3.2.0alpha/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/3.2.0alpha/ . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 27 15:43:14 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:43:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1093621394.2468.251.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 08:39, Eric Harrison wrote: > I've uploaded an early alpha build of K12LTSP 3.2. This is a back-port > of all the work that went into K12LTSP 4.1 to the "Enterprise Linux" > versions. Oh, and as the version number implies the final K12LTSP 3.2 release is meant to be a smooth upgrade from K12LTSP 3.1... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dalen at czexan.net Fri Aug 27 15:55:48 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:55:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <412F5984.1050104@czexan.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > I've uploaded an early alpha build of K12LTSP 3.2. This is a back-port > of all the work that went into K12LTSP 4.1 to the "Enterprise Linux" > versions. I'm using WBEL as an initial base, since I can redistribute > that, but the final repositories will be setup to support RHEL as well. Eric, If WBEL doesn't work out, you might want to take a look at http://www.centos.org/ . It is another RHEL based distro. Some of the SME server(e-smith) developers are looking at for a future SME base. Thanks, Dale From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 27 16:33:45 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:33:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hp T5515 In-Reply-To: <412F06DE.80008@mumby.co.za> References: <412F06DE.80008@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <412F6269.10001@paasda.org> Shawn Powers had one of those HP thin clients working... I have 2 different ones working...(although I don't use sound at all so I haven't played with that) one is the YEStation Mini from http://affirmative.net ... got a good supplier contact who gets me $271 per unit the other is the CapioOne...forgot vendor but can google it...and it was $200... The support on both is great... the advantage is size and power usage...on the YEStation Mini.. 10watts total power usage...vs 110 or so from the CapOne and the Mini mounts to the back of LCD monitors =) juicy... --Huck Dean Mumby wrote: > Hi all > > I am looking into thin clients and have discovered this one from Hp . > I was wondering if anyone had / is using these with k12LTSP 4.1 and > what reports good or bad there may be. I was considering going for the > jammin clients from www.disklessworkstations , but having local access > to the hp's in South Africa will greatly reduce the cost of the clients. > > Regards > Dean > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 27 16:40:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:40:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together In-Reply-To: <412F3511.2010402@msln.net> References: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> <32982.65.183.203.134.1093581593.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> <412F3511.2010402@msln.net> Message-ID: <412F63E1.8060505@paasda.org> /var/log/dansguardian is the directory DG stores it's log on my machine... cat access.log that will show you if any site/url is being denied. I've blocked doubleclick.net so I'm inundated with logs all the time.. =) And since I've blocked extentions as well...you get to see who's trying to download stuff too =) I only get IP's because I don't force authentication at the proxy level...this is fun if you really want to be draconian and lay the smack down on students doing things they aught not do....but a simple check on webmin of when/where a particular user logged in and the time of a serious denial by DG...and you can sort those things out on your own. check your /etc/dansguardian/bannedsitelist and bannedurllist to make sure that playboy.com is listed... and if you haven't installed any blacklists yet...you might want to do that as well...I believe they are posted on either DG's site or Squidguard's site.. --Huck Mark Gumprecht wrote: > As far as squid is concerned > tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log > that will tail the log and you should see the requests coming through. > I do not have experience yet with Dansguardian, so I can not say > anything yet. > Mark > > aaa at pacifier.com wrote: > >> Some progress here. >> un-installed and re-installed squid. >> >> complained that it didn't have a visible_hostname, so I gave it one - >> "test" >> >> Then ran squid -z >> then it installed and I got a good looking squid.conf file. >> >> Next I asked dansguardian to start. It said it did. >> >> Now both programs say they are running. >> >> Dumb question: >> How do I tell if squid is actually caching? >> >> Dumb question 2: >> Why can I still get playboy.com to com up from my network computers if >> dansguardian is working???? >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Duane >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 27 16:41:29 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:41:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Artwork ? In-Reply-To: <001201c48c49$20b0dea0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001201c48c49$20b0dea0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <412F6439.50107@paasda.org> That is a cute little button... we all have permission to snipe it? --Huck Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi All... > >Does anybody know of any K12LTSP Artwork ? >i.e CD-ROM Labels, Posters, Logos Desktop Wallpapers, Splash Screens >and the such... > >Its just I'm really trying to push K12LTSP & another user from this list, >Debbie >make a really good 'Powered By' button that I have posted on my HOWTOz >site @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/images/pwby_k12ltsp.png so anyone can get >a copy to use on there own sites. It got me to thinking , Is there any other >Artwork that people have that I could put all in one place so other people >can get @ them.... >& with talent like Debbie on the list I'm sure that we can come up with some >pretty cool stuff... > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > >############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Aug 27 16:51:58 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:51:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Artwork ? References: <001201c48c49$20b0dea0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <412F6439.50107@paasda.org> Message-ID: <000e01c48c56$2aa50370$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hiya Huck > That is a cute little button... > we all have permission to snipe it? Yer... Go right ahead... But it would be nice 2 hear where/how it is being used.... I was thinking of making a very simple system like the way SF.net use there little button... it is really a PHP file that tracks usage & stuff, but just haven't got round to it... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 27 17:12:18 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:12:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093621394.2468.251.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > > I've uploaded an early alpha build of K12LTSP 3.2. This is > a back-port > > of all the work that went into K12LTSP 4.1 to the > "Enterprise Linux" > > versions. Awesome. A completely packaged version based off a stable distro such as RHEL/WBEL would be an excellent alternative. For me I don't want cutting edge, I need stable. My workload is too much to handle extra calls, I need something I don't have to touch. And most of us don't possess the knowledge to install all of the packages from K12LTSP onto the distribution of our choice. Since I have had nothing but trouble I was going to try to install WBEL with the K12LTSP packages but am afraid I won't be successful. Thank you for your efforts, let me know where the ISO's are so I can help test them. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Aug 27 18:05:24 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:05:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH & Dump Message-ID: <1093629924.17223.26.camel@phoenix> Revisiting my hurried post several weeks ago, I found that setting the environmental variable RSH=ssh will do the trick (don't forget to setup passwordless authorized keys between the machines) to get ssh encrypted dump backups. Performance was about 500-600kb/min with some compression on the dump end. Command line was: RSH=ssh rdump I'm eyeing a 200 gig ide drive to start using backuppc to save me from running around the campus like a madman. My sympathy goes out to anyone on this list(as well as off) who was in the path of Hurricane Charley. Hrrm... back to catching up my k12osn e-mail backlog... 30 to go! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Aug 27 18:19:47 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:19:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind/gdm issues Message-ID: <1093630787.17223.42.camel@phoenix> I'm bringing my k12ltsp 4.1 server online, and I've come up with an username case issue. Most, if not all of my user accounts on my server are like this case wise: HBurroughs. Has anyone found a way to force gdm/winbind to only allow the lowercase logins, because it plays havoc with home directories: (ie /home/hburroughs is different from /home/HBurroughs). Not only that, it won't let me login at all with an all lowercase username. I am also using pam_mkhomdir. Next, concerning winbind, you can set say the home directory to be: /home/%d/%u where %d is the domain, and %u is the username. When I try to set it up as /home/%g/%u, the user directory turns up actually as /home/10000/HBurroughs where 10000 is the GID of the default group of the user. Is there any way to have it actually be the group name (ie: Faculty, Students, etc). Thanks! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 27 18:20:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:20:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 12:12, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Awesome. A completely packaged version based off a stable distro such > as RHEL/WBEL would be an excellent alternative. For me I don't want > cutting edge, I need stable. I strongly suspect you are being overly optimistic about RHEL based distro's solving all the weird hardware issues you might encounter. I'd guess that would fall more in the 'feature' category that is intentionally not backported to keep from breaking anything else even when the fix is added to new kernels. I'd like to be proven wrong about this, but... On the other hand if it turns out that your particular hardware does work reliably with it you should have a better chance of keeping it up to date with security related updates longer without major changes. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 27 18:31:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:31:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind/gdm issues In-Reply-To: <1093630787.17223.42.camel@phoenix> References: <1093630787.17223.42.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <412F7DFB.9030903@paasda.org> I created all of my usernames in lowercase to avoid the case sensativity issue... used *ducks* MS-Word to lowercase my entire text document with all my username Huckaby, David into huckaby david for instance...(used it to remove the tabs and commas too, find and replace is your friend) then used my nifty little python script(posted earlier this month and on some wiki) to generate my usernames in the method I liked...and into webmin batch format... then used webmin to create accounts and voila! --Huck Henry Burroughs wrote: >I'm bringing my k12ltsp 4.1 server online, and I've come up with an >username case issue. Most, if not all of my user accounts on my server >are like this case wise: HBurroughs. Has anyone found a way to force >gdm/winbind to only allow the lowercase logins, because it plays havoc >with home directories: (ie /home/hburroughs is different from >/home/HBurroughs). Not only that, it won't let me login at all with an >all lowercase username. I am also using pam_mkhomdir. > >Next, concerning winbind, you can set say the home directory to be: >/home/%d/%u where %d is the domain, and %u is the username. When I try >to set it up as /home/%g/%u, the user directory turns up actually as >/home/10000/HBurroughs where 10000 is the GID of the default group of >the user. Is there any way to have it actually be the group name (ie: >Faculty, Students, etc). > >Thanks! > > > >Henry Burroughs >Technology Director >Hilton Head Preparatory School >www.hhprep.org >hburroughs at hhprep.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Aug 27 19:13:35 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:13:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <412F87DF.7080704@coll-outao.qc.ca> Great news Eric, thanks for all the great work your doing for this cause :-) . From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 27 19:23:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:23:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind/gdm issues In-Reply-To: <412F7DFB.9030903@paasda.org> References: <1093630787.17223.42.camel@phoenix> <412F7DFB.9030903@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1093634615.23788.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 13:31, Huck wrote: > I created all of my usernames in lowercase to avoid the case sensativity > issue... > used *ducks* MS-Word to lowercase my entire text document with all my > username Huckaby, David into huckaby david > for instance...(used it to remove the tabs and commas too, find and > replace is your friend) Time to learn some vi: :%s/.*/\L&/g will lowercase the whole document. Or, if you prefer the old-school filter approach used before vim got all the fancy special-case regexp operations: 1G!Gtr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' (that pipes your buffer through the external tr program and replaces it with the results so you aren't limited to built-in editor operations). If you don't like the results, u will undo it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 27 19:51:48 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:51:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind/gdm issues In-Reply-To: <1093634615.23788.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1093630787.17223.42.camel@phoenix> <412F7DFB.9030903@paasda.org> <1093634615.23788.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <412F90D4.3030509@paasda.org> could you break down the expression so I can modify for other uses as well? both the :%s/.*/\L&/g and 1G!Gtr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' lines??? I'm sure there are 101 uses for this knowledge! thanks! --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 13:31, Huck wrote: > > >>I created all of my usernames in lowercase to avoid the case sensativity >>issue... >>used *ducks* MS-Word to lowercase my entire text document with all my >>username Huckaby, David into huckaby david >>for instance...(used it to remove the tabs and commas too, find and >>replace is your friend) >> >> > >Time to learn some vi: >:%s/.*/\L&/g >will lowercase the whole document. > >Or, if you prefer the old-school filter approach used before >vim got all the fancy special-case regexp operations: >1G!Gtr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' >(that pipes your buffer through the external tr program >and replaces it with the results so you aren't limited >to built-in editor operations). If you don't like the >results, u will undo it. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 27 20:55:39 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:55:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind/gdm issues In-Reply-To: <412F90D4.3030509@paasda.org> References: <1093630787.17223.42.camel@phoenix> <412F7DFB.9030903@paasda.org> <1093634615.23788.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <412F90D4.3030509@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1093640139.24077.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 14:51, Huck wrote: > could you break down the expression so I can modify for other uses as well? > > both the > > :%s/.*/\L&/g : starts an ex-mode (command-line at the bottom) command % short for 1,$ or first to last line s substitute / start of match . match any character * match any number of the previous / end match, start replacement \L special-case lowercase directive & what the match pattern matched / end replacement g global within line (all occurrences) > and > > 1G!Gtr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' 1G go to 1st line ! filter range through external program G end line is end of range to filter tr one of the tradition unix tools with its own man page '[A-Z]' the 'match' pattern for tr (the range of uppercase) '[a-z]' the replacement set for tr tr (transliterate) handles this a little differently than regexp based matches. It will expand the A-Z into the complete range as one string, a-z into another and transliterate the characters in the input into the character in the corresponding position in the replacement. You could do this with completely arbitrary strings instead of ranges like this if you wanted. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Fri Aug 27 21:15:47 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Pushing Desktop Items In-Reply-To: <20040827182812.660CC72FAF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040827211547.45847.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Greeting All Hope everyone is succeeding in getting a good start on the new school year. I need a little help, K12OS has a neat little feature on the desktop of root to push new icons to all new user desktops, I am however looking for a way to send desktop items to specific users desktops, in particular - users that belong to specific groups. As well as having these icons added to desktops automatically as new users are created. Anyone got a script for this or any other ideas?? Thanks Tan _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Aug 27 21:38:59 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:38:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Artwork ? In-Reply-To: <001201c48c49$20b0dea0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001201c48c49$20b0dea0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <412FA9F3.2040101@snet.net> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > > Does anybody know of any K12LTSP Artwork ? > i.e CD-ROM Labels, Posters, Logos Desktop Wallpapers, Splash Screens > and the such... > > Its just I'm really trying to push K12LTSP & another user from this list, > Debbie > make a really good 'Powered By' button that I have posted on my HOWTOz > site @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/images/pwby_k12ltsp.png so anyone can get > a copy to use on there own sites. It got me to thinking , Is there any other > Artwork that people have that I could put all in one place so other people > can get @ them.... > & with talent like Debbie on the list I'm sure that we can come up with some > pretty cool stuff... > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon I've posted some artwork, several wallpapers and a kde splash screen on http://www.kde-look.org k12 kde splash: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11833 Matching wallpapers: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12012 tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From tim at litwiller.net Fri Aug 27 22:36:43 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:36:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need an automatic relogin script Message-ID: <412FB77B.6050609@litwiller.net> I need some king of monitoring script for mozilla/firefox that if the user closes the program the terminal will logout. Is this possible? From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 27 22:49:46 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hp T5515 In-Reply-To: <412F6269.10001@paasda.org> References: <412F06DE.80008@mumby.co.za> <412F6269.10001@paasda.org> Message-ID: <36409.66.129.41.148.1093646986.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> I have 329 unread messages in my k12os box... so I'm really behind... but since my name is here, I'll comment on this right away. The HP thin clients are GREAT! It's what I use every day at work. The video is an ATI chipset, so the video is accelerated, and the soundcard is detected automatically. (So is the ATI chipset) They cost around $300 though, so there are cheaper options. The Capio One *did* finally boot, after a lot of help from Huck -- but the only video driver it supports is VESA, and it's slow and "studdery" when used. I was VERY dissapointed with the capios, and sent all but 2 of the ones I bought back. (I had taken 2 apart trying to figure out hardware types, etc -- so i couldn't return 'em) Lastly, I'm not sure if the model number has changed -- so if you get an HP, make sure the ati chipset is still there, it works great. Good luck! -Shawn Huck said: > Shawn Powers had one of those HP thin clients working... > I have 2 different ones working...(although I don't use sound at all so > I haven't played with that) > one is the YEStation Mini from http://affirmative.net ... got a good > supplier contact who gets me $271 per unit > the other is the CapioOne...forgot vendor but can google it...and it was > $200... > The support on both is great... the advantage is size and power > usage...on the YEStation Mini.. 10watts total power usage...vs 110 or so > from the CapOne > and the Mini mounts to the back of LCD monitors =) juicy... > > --Huck > > Dean Mumby wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I am looking into thin clients and have discovered this one from Hp . >> I was wondering if anyone had / is using these with k12LTSP 4.1 and >> what reports good or bad there may be. I was considering going for the >> jammin clients from www.disklessworkstations , but having local access >> to the hp's in South Africa will greatly reduce the cost of the clients. >> >> Regards >> Dean >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From shahms at shahms.com Fri Aug 27 22:51:23 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:51:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I need an automatic relogin script In-Reply-To: <412FB77B.6050609@litwiller.net> References: <412FB77B.6050609@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1093647083.10992.32.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 17:36 -0500, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I need some king of monitoring script for mozilla/firefox that if the > user closes the program the terminal will logout. > > Is this possible? This has been addressed before, I believe (check the archives linked at the bottom), but the short answer is "yes". The long answer (how to accomplish it) depends on a lot of other variables like whether you want the users to be able to run other applications, etc. The quick-and-dirty answer is: X will exit (and gdm will respawn) when the script that launched the session does. If you look in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions you'll see a bunch of executable scripts. These are the files that gdm launches when a user logs in. When that script "returns", the terminal is logged out. Most of those files simply "exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession ". Most of the actual session logic is in that script so you can, without changing anything, make any of the sessions "mozilla-dependent" by changing them to: /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession & exec /usr/bin/mozilla When the user exits mozilla, the session exits and they are logged out. Not the most elegant solution, but it will work. -- Shahms E. 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IN one case I tried a different drive and it worked fine...so it's not the controller. The imaging process uses an embedded partition called a Bootworks partition so I'm wondering if that got corrupt and that's why I can't get anywhere. Are there any utilities that people know of that might assist me in getting these drives back? The data is not an issue...I'm simply trying to avoid having to buy new HD's. Ideas and specualtion are welcome. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 27 23:48:34 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:48:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and cups Message-ID: <412FC852.1040300@elp.rr.com> I am trying to get a Windows XP PRO machine to find an HP1200 laser printer that is USB and installed under cups, connected to my K12LTSP server. I have gotten Samba to the point that I can see the server in the Windows machine's windows for installing printers. What seems to be happening is that Samba is not seeing the cups installed printer so the printer doesn't show up in the printer list on the Windows machine. I have tried stopping and restarting both services to get the cups running in front of Samba and that hasn't made any difference. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can fix this situation? I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 FC1. Thanks Pat From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Sat Aug 28 16:47:21 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 09:47:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: Loading vmlinuz.ltsp References: <20040827151247.94C56734A5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <00b601c48d1e$d7a7a500$96c3a4cb@boss> Hi, have two lan's running on my server but until i get it al running i have just pluged the two of them into the sam hub the clients are in. also [root at server root]# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere icmp any ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:ssh REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited Thanks Ben May > Hello Ben, > > Does your server indeed have 192.168.0.254 on the eth0 interface? Also, > did you put eth0 on the network for your thin clients? I'm assuming > you're using the "standard" dual-NIC setup here. > > Also, do you have the firewall turned on? As root, try typing "iptables > -L", and if you see any rules, that could be a problem. > > --TP > > ben may wrote: > > >Hi All, > >This is where i can get to with my server running 4.0.1 > >/Client/ > >" > >Searching For Server..(DHCP) > >..Me=192.168.0.253 (etc) > >loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmliniz.ltsp........ > >" > >Thats it. it gets no where, i have read the HOW TO Ver. 3 > >maybe theres something im doing wrong? > >Thanks > > > >Ben May > >Qld, Australia > >be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au From luis.montes at cox.net Sat Aug 28 00:23:46 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:23:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C4B4@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C4B4@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <412FD092.5040907@cox.net> I don't see how .Net/Mono will help here. If Renaissance Learning cared about using open standards they already have plenty of ways to achieve it. I don't expect every commercial software vendor to support every version of every platform, but RL's current stance is confusing at best. From there SystemRequirements page: "Renaissance Place applications are designed for mixed network environments, such as those running Novell Netware, Macintosh (Appleshare, Xserve), Windows NT, Windows 2000 Server, Windows Server 2003*, or Linux. Users simply connect from any Windows or Macintosh workstation with a browser by entering a server name or IP address and logging in." What is that supposed to mean? That its ok for a linux machine to be on the same network as Accelerated reader? Wow! what a breakthrough. Really neat how they fixed tcp-ip like that, good selling point. I hate to be so negative, but its amazing that a group of software engineers and educators could put out stuff like that. Luis Doug Gough wrote: >Many of them don't "get it", but that's not the only problem. I think >the bigger problem for educational software makers is that they have to >support a huge and old code base in order to make their stuff run on >EVERY version of Windows and Mac OS. We have several software packages >that claim to run on everything from Windows 3.1 to XP AND Mac OS 7.X to >OS X. Imagine trying to dig through all of that code to build something >that also runs on Linux. Maybe some of this will be addressed by the >acceptance of .NET/MONO. > >Doug Gough > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Luis Montes >Sent: August 27, 2004 6:32 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Cc: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP > >It still doesn't look like we can use this. > >Take a look at the requirements: >http://www.renlearn.com/ProductSystemRequirements.pdf > >I'm not happy about buying windows 2000 server just to use their >software. If it would allow me to remove the few remaining win98 boxes >on the network, then maybe. > >That said, it doesn't really matter. They are still using QuickTime5 for > >part of the client. >Their client specifications don't even mention Linux. They just sort of >threw the word "Linux" out there in the top of the page. > >I really don't understand why so many educational software developers >are stuck on using quicktime. There are plenty of cross-platform ways >to provide animated content. How about using flash, libSDL, or java? > >I still don't think Reaissance Learning gets it. > >Luis > > > > > >jeremy wrote: > > > >>I've seen the same thing. Our district just doesn't want to put the >> >> >money > > >>out for the Web Based (SQL) Version just yet. AR on the linux >> >> >terminals is > > >>low priority for the Administrators since we don't have the many of >> >> >them. > > >>But, I have a few teachers asking me about it so I thought I would look >> >> >into > > >>it. >>Jeremy >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> >> >Behalf > > >>Of Jonathan White >>Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:45 AM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader on K12LTSP >> >>Just got a marketing snail mail from Renisance yesterday. It said >> >> >they'd > > >>come up with the perfect way to run AR (and the other Accelerated >>programs) on any network, including a Linux network. It is their new >> >> >web > > >>based version of the Accelerated software. >> >>The flyer said that "all" you need to do to get AR running on your >> >> >Linux > > >>network is install a Windows2000 or 2003 server and you'll be all >> >> >set.:( > > >>I think it's safe to say that they still don't get it. >> >> >>On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 02:22, Luis Montes wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Before you start messing with wine or crossover (not that I've gotten >>>that to work either), please contact their sales department and ask >>> >>> >for > > >>>a linux port. >>> >>>http://www.renlearn.com/support/default.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>jeremy wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Has anyone solve the problem of running AR on K12LTSP? I have >>>> >>>> >thought > > >>>>about several solutions, but before I get started I figured I would >>>>ask here and save myself some time. Any info or tips would be >>>>appreciated greatly. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>Jeremy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From haysja at sages.us Sat Aug 28 00:15:13 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:15:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard drive rescue (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093652112.412fce91000a5@sages.us> I would put them in a box, boot Knoppix, and see if Knoppix can "see" them. Quoting David Trask : > Hi all, > > I need some help. I have a couple hard drives that are no longer > recognized by the BIOS. They both happened under similar circumstances so > I'm not totally convinced that they are totally gone. What happened was > that I was reimaging them (Windows XP) using Altiris Deployment Server > when the imaging process failed. Then they failed to reboot....now the > drive doesn't even show up at all. IN one case I tried a different drive > and it worked fine...so it's not the controller. The imaging process uses > an embedded partition called a Bootworks partition so I'm wondering if > that got corrupt and that's why I can't get anywhere. Are there any > utilities that people know of that might assist me in getting these drives > back? The data is not an issue...I'm simply trying to avoid having to buy > new HD's. Ideas and specualtion are welcome. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From haysja at sages.us Sat Aug 28 00:20:26 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:20:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and cups In-Reply-To: <412FC852.1040300@elp.rr.com> References: <412FC852.1040300@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1093652426.412fcfca45dc7@sages.us> I believe you must include code in your smb.conf file (or use Webmin) to "tell" samba that you want to share the printer. Look at the smb.conf file. Quoting "John P. Conlon" : > I am trying to get a Windows XP PRO machine to find an HP1200 laser > printer that is USB and installed under cups, connected to my K12LTSP > server. I have gotten Samba to the point that I can see the server in > the Windows machine's windows for installing printers. What seems to be > happening is that Samba is not seeing the cups installed printer so the > printer doesn't show up in the printer list on the Windows machine. I > have tried stopping and restarting both services to get the cups running > in front of Samba and that hasn't made any difference. Does anyone have > any ideas on how I can fix this situation? > > I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 FC1. > > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From haysja at sages.us Sat Aug 28 00:22:19 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:22:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and cups In-Reply-To: <412FC852.1040300@elp.rr.com> References: <412FC852.1040300@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1093652539.412fd03b8fa11@sages.us> Try looking here at bullet # 5. http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/IX.CUPS-Samba/IX.Samba-HOWTO-Collection-Chapter-7.html Quoting "John P. Conlon" : > I am trying to get a Windows XP PRO machine to find an HP1200 laser > printer that is USB and installed under cups, connected to my K12LTSP > server. I have gotten Samba to the point that I can see the server in > the Windows machine's windows for installing printers. What seems to be > happening is that Samba is not seeing the cups installed printer so the > printer doesn't show up in the printer list on the Windows machine. I > have tried stopping and restarting both services to get the cups running > in front of Samba and that hasn't made any difference. Does anyone have > any ideas on how I can fix this situation? > > I am running K12LTSP 4.0.1 FC1. > > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 28 00:51:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:51:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard drive rescue (OT) In-Reply-To: <1093652112.412fce91000a5@sages.us> References: <1093652112.412fce91000a5@sages.us> Message-ID: <1093654306.24652.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 19:15, Jim Hays wrote: > I would put them in a box, boot Knoppix, and see if Knoppix can "see" them. Yes, that's always my first thought for a 'rescue'. If knoppix sees the raw device (/dev/hda, etc.) but the partitions seem wrong, try 'cat /dev/zero >/dev/hda' (being careful to hit the right disk...), let it run a while and interrupt with a control-c. The next fdisk should write a new partition table from scratch. Depending on the disk size and the machine bios, you may have to have special software installed to make windows use the drive - the imaging run may have wiped that out. If that is the case look for a bios flash update. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 01:23:46 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:23:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Message-ID: Hi Bimal, lan card address (client) 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 Client Ethernet card 3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10/100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX) and the dhcpd.conf # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { # YEAR456 subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:0E:A6:65:E2:29; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # DSCHIEL addition... host ws004 { hardware ethernet 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71; fixed-address 192.168.0.4; filename "/tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3com"; allow unknown-clients; } } -- And the eth1 card Intel Corp e100 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller And the eth0 card Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ 8139too The client says now: 3Com PXE, version 0.99c.01 Copyright (C) 1997 Intel Corporation DHCP MAC ADDR: 00 C0 4F 7A 19 71 DHCP.... PXE-E52: No IP address received from DHCP or BOOTP. PXE-MOF: Exiting PXE -- and I've run [root at localhost root]# tail -f /var/log/messages Aug 28 10:57:09 server dhcpd: Aug 28 10:57:09 server dhcpd: to which interface eth1 is attached. ** Aug 28 10:57:09 server dhcpd: Listening on LPF/eth0/00:03:ce:89:4c:54/WORKSTATIONS Aug 28 10:57:09 server dhcpd: Aug 28 10:57:09 server dhcpd: Sending on LPF/eth0/00:03:ce:89:4c:54/WORKSTATIONS Aug 28 10:57:09 server dhcpd: Listening on LPF/eth0/00:03:ce:89:4c:54/WORKSTATIONS Aug 28 10:57:09 server dhcpd: Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net Aug 28 10:57:10 server dhcpd: Sending on LPF/eth0/00:03:ce:89:4c:54/WORKSTATIONS Aug 28 10:57:10 server dhcpd: Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net Aug 28 10:57:10 server dhcpd: dhcpd startup succeeded and did a search on google for the PXE-E52 error and got http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12ltspdig/306.html where the writer says: "What version of pxe does your client have? I've had success with 2.0 but not with .99." My client has .99 So I've switched the cable to a different client, the one specified in host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:0E:A6:65:E2:29; Restarted with a boot floppy... and receive these messages (some but not all copied - by hand!) Etherboot 5.0.1 found VIA 6102 at 0xE800, ROM address 0x0000 probing... [VIA 86C100 lrhine.c V1.0.0 2000-01-07 IO address E800 Ethernet Address: 0x00:0x0E:0XA6:0X65:0XE2:0X29 Analyzing media type, this will take several seconds... ok Linespeed=100Mbs Fullduplex Searching for server (DHCP)... ARG!!!! ok so it is not a problem with the client, yes? I am going to try buy a new switch and a new network card to cancel out those two as possible problems. I know it shouldn't be this difficult... I think I must be missing something very obvious... So I will keep on until I get it right! Thanx for your help. Best regards, Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "bimal pandit" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) > Oh!!, i think i am not able to explain! > > well what i mean is for a while just put off the web server and connect > a cable from that lancard to switch. > > see > > eth0 ------->| |------>CLIENT-001 > |SWITCH|------>CLIENT-002 > eth1 ------->| |------>CLIENT-003 > > further could you send me your lan card address and the dhcpd.conf > details?? > > i think i could help you in better way then... > > regards, > > Bimal Pandit > > > > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 14:00, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > Hi Bimal, > > > > A lot of detective work going on! > > > > I swapped the cables and rebooted and got this on startup: > > determining IP info for eth1... failed: no link present > > check cable? > > > > I also changed the cables around to check that they both worked, no flaws in > > the cables then. > > > > And I have also figured out how to make the client look for DHCP without a > > floppy boot (I'm learning a lot today). > > > > But still nothing.... so I'm going to try a different network card on eth0 > > and see if that helps. > > > > Thanks Bimal, I wouldn't have got this far without your help. > > > > > > Debbie > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: bimal pandit > > Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > To: nospam at debstar.com,"software in schools." Support list for opensource > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) > > Date: 27 Aug 2004 12:35:35 +0530 > > > > Dear Debbie, > > > > also check which lan card is it!! > > > > i mean try swapping the cable, may be your client are requesting for the > > IP and other stuff(dhcp server) from the lancard which is used for web > > server!! > > > > or else for quick -- just connect both the cards(using cable) to your > > switch and see whether your clients are coming up. > > > > hope will help > > > > regards > > > > Bimal Pandit > > > > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:46, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > Thanks Bimal, > > > > > > I've tried it... > > > [root at server root]# service iptables stop > > > Flushing firewall rules: [ OK ] > > > Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: nat filter [ OK ] > > > Unloading iptables modules: [ OK ] > > > > > > and then restarted the client but it is still searching & sleeping!!! > > > :o( > > > > > > Is it maybe the client's network card? > > > >3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10.100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX) > > > > > > If you have anymore ideas, I'll give them a go. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Debbie > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: bimal pandit > > > Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > To: nospam at debstar.com,"software in schools." Support list for opensource > > > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) > > > Date: 27 Aug 2004 11:15:39 +0530 > > > > > > yes, > > > > > > stop iptables !! > > > > > > you can do by any of theses > > > > > > service iptables stop > > > > > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables stop > > > > > > iptables -F > > > > > > hope this will help > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > bimal pandit > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > > Thanks to TP, Sudev, and Andrew for helpful hints and general > > education > > > (!) > > > > > > > > Here's where I am now at - > > > > > > > > re-installed K12LTSP after putting in the second network card > > > > eth0 & eth1 now both active > > > > > > > > have one ethernet cable supplying web to the server > > > > and a second cable running from the server to ethernet switch > > 10/100MBps > > > > and a third cable running from the switch to my test client machine. > > > > > > > > Made a boot floppy using bootrom from rom-o-matic but client finds no > > > > server. > > > > > > > > Some (not all) of the messages on the client screen: > > > > > > > > DellSystem Optiplex GXa300L EM+ > > > > > > > > Etherboot 5.0.1 > > > > Found 3Com905-TX at 0xDC80 > > > > Mac Address = 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 > > > > Connectors present: MII > > > > Searching for server (DHCP)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have visited the LTSP support pages and tried this command > > > > netstat -an | grep ":67 " > > > > and have confirmed that DHCP is running and listening. > > > > > > > > I have added my client's mac address to the config file. > > > > > > > > The next thing on the list to try is > > > > ipchains -L -v > > > > and reponse is... > > > > bash: ipchains: command not found > > > > > > > > *Could this be a problem?* > > > > > > > > I also tried > > > > iptables -L -v > > > > and the response is... > > > > > > > > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > > > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > > > destination > > > > 4613 3412K RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > > > > anywhere > > > > > > > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > > > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > > > destination > > > > 0 0 RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- any any anywhere > > > > anywhere > > > > > > > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 4314 packets, 2726K bytes) > > > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > > > destination > > > > > > > > Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) > > > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > > > > destination > > > > 2662 2503K ACCEPT all -- lo any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > 0 0 ACCEPT icmp -- any any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > icmp any > > > > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- any any anywhere > > > > anywhere > > > > 0 0 ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- any any anywhere > > > > anywhere > > > > 1923 904K ACCEPT all -- any any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > state RELATED,ESTABLISHED > > > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > state NEW tcp dpt:http > > > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > state NEW tcp dpt:https > > > > 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > state NEW tcp dpt:ssh > > > > 28 4974 REJECT all -- any any anywhere > > > anywhere > > > > reject-with icmp-host-prohibited > > > > > > > > > > > > *Do I need to be worried about that REJECT at the end?* > > > > > > > > I've tried plugging the cable into another newer client with another > > boot > > > > floppy but the response is much the same - No server found. Which > > makes > > > me > > > > think that it's a problem at the server end. > > > > > > > > I have webmin up and running if that can help me at all. > > > > > > > > If anyone can throw some suggestions my way I'd be very grateful. > > > > I have a meeting with our principal on Monday and he will want to know > > > how > > > > the trial is going. I *SO* do not want to give up and go the windows > > 2003 > > > > route. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Debbie > > > > -- > > > > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ > > > > http://www.debstar.com/ > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Want to block unwanted pop-ups? 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Get MSN Messenger today! > > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Aug 28 01:46:32 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:16:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind/gdm issues In-Reply-To: <1093634615.23788.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1093630787.17223.42.camel@phoenix> <412F7DFB.9030903@paasda.org> <1093634615.23788.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1093657592.3044.17.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 00:53, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 13:31, Huck wrote: > > I created all of my usernames in lowercase to avoid the case sensativity > > issue... > > used *ducks* MS-Word to lowercase my entire text document with all my > > username Huckaby, David into huckaby david > > for instance...(used it to remove the tabs and commas too, find and > > replace is your friend) > > Time to learn some vi: > :%s/.*/\L&/g > will lowercase the whole document. > > Or, if you prefer the old-school filter approach used before > vim got all the fancy special-case regexp operations: > 1G!Gtr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' > (that pipes your buffer through the external tr program > and replaces it with the results so you aren't limited > to built-in editor operations). If you don't like the > results, u will undo it. Whoa!! Dropping dead cryptic but man!! [Resolving to delve deeper into vi] And thanks for the nice explanation. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Aug 28 01:48:42 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:48:42 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093657722.10904.11.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 22:23, Debbie Schiel wrote: > and did a search on google for the PXE-E52 error > and got http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12ltspdig/306.html > where the writer says: "What version of pxe does > your client have? I've had success with 2.0 but not with .99." > > My client has .99 Yes, I have not had luck with 0.99. Typically you can get an update to load onto the card. If it is the bios pxe, upgrading the bios will normally upgrade pxe. > Etherboot 5.0.1 > found VIA 6102 at 0xE800, ROM address 0x0000 > probing... [VIA 86C100 lrhine.c V1.0.0 2000-01-07 > IO address E800 Ethernet Address: 0x00:0x0E:0XA6:0X65:0XE2:0X29 > Analyzing media type, this will take several seconds... ok > Linespeed=100Mbs Fullduplex > Searching for server (DHCP)... Etherboot 5.0 is extraordinarily old. Please go to romomatic.net and download the latest release. > ARG!!!! > ok so it is not a problem with the client, yes? > I am going to try buy a new switch and a new network card to cancel out > those two as possible problems. > I know it shouldn't be this difficult... I think I must be missing something > very obvious... So I will keep on until I get it right! The age of the boot code may be your issue. Update it and let me know your results. Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Aug 28 01:53:54 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:53:54 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and cups In-Reply-To: <412FC852.1040300@elp.rr.com> References: <412FC852.1040300@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1093658034.10904.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 20:48, John P. Conlon wrote: > I am trying to get a Windows XP PRO machine to find an HP1200 laser > printer that is USB and installed under cups, connected to my K12LTSP > server. I have gotten Samba to the point that I can see the server in > the Windows machine's windows for installing printers. What seems to be > happening is that Samba is not seeing the cups installed printer so the > printer doesn't show up in the printer list on the Windows machine. I > have tried stopping and restarting both services to get the cups running > in front of Samba and that hasn't made any difference. Does anyone have > any ideas on how I can fix this situation? There seems to be a bug in cups. You need to set the username to guest in order for it to connect to the printers. You may need to enable the guest user in WinXP, enable sharing of the printer, stop the xp firewall and sacrifice small animals... (well maybe not the last part but it is XP) Tim From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 25 18:54:22 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:54:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Trident Video card In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c48ac6$1ce1bc10$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <412CD50E.3090907@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20040825185422.GB24938@mcquil.com> Shane, with 1mb of video ram, you can do 800x600 16-bit color or 1024x768 8-bit color. But you can't do 1024x768 16-bit. You'd need about 1.5mb for that. Can you show us the entries that you are trying, and tell us what the result is ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 02:41:12PM -0400, Shane Stafford wrote: > I have a couple machines that have Trident TGUI9680 video cards. From > what I can tell from surfing, these should be a minimum of 1mb video, so > they should work. I'm guessing I need the correct lts.conf entry. But > nothing works so far. Anyone have clients with these cards? > > thanks > Shane > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tscholten8 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 02:30:00 2004 From: tscholten8 at hotmail.com (Tim Scholten) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:30:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] print based on location Message-ID: hi I am trying to make it so that when a user prints, it will print to the printer in the same room. I looked in the archives an found this thread http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-October/msg00139.html , exactly what i am trying to accomplish here. I tried using his script in /etc/profile.d/ with the changes for this location, but the default printer is still the original default. Is there else who has had a similar situation? If so what was your solution? thanks for any help, Tim _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Aug 28 02:36:37 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:06:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093660596.3044.65.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 06:53, Debbie Schiel wrote: > lan card address (client) > 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71 > > Client Ethernet card > 3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10/100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX) For this card you do not have to use option 128 & 129. These were only for use with the older ISA bus cards. Your card should be PCI bus, so no need for these lines. [SNIP] > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > # YEAR456 > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.254; > # trick from Peter Rundle > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } Make sure that this file is there in the path, although why would you need PXE boot? Try going with floppy boot to dhcpd straight. > else { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; Same comment as above. This file is normally a link file to the actual boot file. [SNIP] > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:0E:A6:65:E2:29; > fixed-address 192.168.0.1; > filename "/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; you should be giving file name as "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" if this exists in /tftpboot/lts > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; As explained above these two lines are not needed. [SNIP] > # DSCHIEL addition... > host ws004 { > hardware ethernet 00:C0:4F:7A:19:71; > fixed-address 192.168.0.4; > filename "/tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; Here first do a "ls -l" for your /tftpboot/lts" directory. Note down the full name of the vmlinuz?????.ltsp file. Now substitute the string above "/tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0" with "/lts/vmlinuz???.ltsp" file name. > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3com"; Remove the above two lines. [SNIP] > -- > And the eth1 card > Intel Corp e100 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller My recommendation first deal with one card and one client. Then add the second card and switch to the first card. [SNIP] Go to www.rom-o-matic.org and download image for this card and as root make boot floppy by command from the directory where you keep the floppy image: $ cat eb-5.2.5-3c90x.zdsk > /dev/fd0 I did just that and have attached the file for your card. [SNIP] > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:0E:A6:65:E2:29; > You have to also change the /path/name of boot file here. Secondly when you are running tftp there is no need to give /tftpboot in the path as the files are searched up this tree. In fact if you are giving path as /tftpboot/lts/abc it will actually look for these files in /tftpboot/tftpboot/lts/abc....which do not exist!! Sorry for the messed up reply but hope this helps. Also below is my listing of the /tftpboot/lts directory and you will notice that vmlinuz.ltsp is actually a link to vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1 in the same directory!! -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux LISTING [sudev at server sudev]$ ls -l /tftpboot/lts/ total 5040 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 2 19:54 boot drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 2 20:03 pxe lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 2 20:03 vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp -> vmlinuz.ltsp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 2 20:03 vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp-1 -> vmlinuz.ltsp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 2 20:03 vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp-lpp -> vmlinuz.ltsp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Apr 2 20:03 vmlinuz-2.4.18-ltsp-lpp-1 -> vmlinuz.ltsp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1617920 Jul 1 2003 vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1656832 Jul 5 2003 vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-lpp-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1863168 Jan 21 2002 vmlinuz-2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink.img lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Apr 2 20:03 vmlinuz.ltsp -> vmlinuz-2.4.21-ltsp-1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: eb-5.2.5-3c90x.zdsk Type: application/octet-stream Size: 16931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 28 04:00:56 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:00:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard drive rescue (OT) In-Reply-To: <1093654306.24652.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: < > <1093652112.412fce91000a5@sages.us> <1093654306.24652.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Depending on the disk size and the machine bios, you >may have to have special software installed to make >windows use the drive - the imaging run may have >wiped that out. If that is the case look for a bios >flash update. They're Seagates...if that makes any difference, but I'll definitely try the Knoppix idea...got a gazillion copies of it ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tim at litwiller.net Sat Aug 28 04:02:01 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:02:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need an automatic relogin script In-Reply-To: <1093647083.10992.32.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <412FB77B.6050609@litwiller.net> <1093647083.10992.32.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <413003B9.20609@litwiller.net> Shahms King wrote: >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 17:36 -0500, Tim Litwiller wrote: > > >>I need some king of monitoring script for mozilla/firefox that if the >>user closes the program the terminal will logout. >> >>Is this possible? >> >> > >This has been addressed before, I believe (check the archives linked at >the bottom), but the short answer is "yes". The long answer (how to >accomplish it) depends on a lot of other variables like whether you want >the users to be able to run other applications, etc. > >The quick-and-dirty answer is: X will exit (and gdm will respawn) when >the script that launched the session does. If you look in >/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions you'll see a bunch of executable scripts. These >are the files that gdm launches when a user logs in. When that script >"returns", the terminal is logged out. > >Most of those files simply "exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession ". >Most of the actual session logic is in that script so you can, without >changing anything, make any of the sessions "mozilla-dependent" by >changing them to: > >/etc/X11/xdm/Xsession & >exec /usr/bin/mozilla > >When the user exits mozilla, the session exits and they are logged out. > >Not the most elegant solution, but it will work. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > thanks for that explanation -I'll try that as soon as I can. From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Sat Aug 28 04:28:41 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 04:28:41 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Message-ID: Hi Tim, Thanks for the comments. I am now using an etherboot 5.2.5 floppy on the newer client machine (not the one with 0.99) but it still searches for the server. I'm going to follow other suggestions now and just work with one network card on the server. Debbie ----Original Message Follows---- From: Timothy Legge Reply-To: tlegge at rogers.com,"Support list for opensource software in schools." To: nospam at debstar.com,"Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:48:42 -0300 On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 22:23, Debbie Schiel wrote: > and did a search on google for the PXE-E52 error > and got http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12ltspdig/306.html > where the writer says: "What version of pxe does > your client have? I've had success with 2.0 but not with .99." > > My client has .99 Yes, I have not had luck with 0.99. Typically you can get an update to load onto the card. If it is the bios pxe, upgrading the bios will normally upgrade pxe. > Etherboot 5.0.1 > found VIA 6102 at 0xE800, ROM address 0x0000 > probing... [VIA 86C100 lrhine.c V1.0.0 2000-01-07 > IO address E800 Ethernet Address: 0x00:0x0E:0XA6:0X65:0XE2:0X29 > Analyzing media type, this will take several seconds... ok > Linespeed=100Mbs Fullduplex > Searching for server (DHCP)... Etherboot 5.0 is extraordinarily old. Please go to romomatic.net and download the latest release. > ARG!!!! > ok so it is not a problem with the client, yes? > I am going to try buy a new switch and a new network card to cancel out > those two as possible problems. > I know it shouldn't be this difficult... I think I must be missing something > very obvious... So I will keep on until I get it right! The age of the boot code may be your issue. Update it and let me know your results. Tim _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 28 05:31:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:31:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1093671071.25312.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 23:28, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Thanks for the comments. I am now using an etherboot 5.2.5 floppy on the > newer client machine (not the one with 0.99) but it still searches for the > server. You might try the universal floppy from the thinstation project. It has support for about 30 different NICs. Follow the link from: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html You can see if the see if the server is getting the dhcp requests by looking through /var/log/messages. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 28 06:45:25 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:45:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093621394.2468.251.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> <1093621394.2468.251.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41302A05.5010600@mtaonline.net> Thanks!!!!!! -AF Eric Harrison wrote: >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 08:39, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>I've uploaded an early alpha build of K12LTSP 3.2. This is a back-port >>of all the work that went into K12LTSP 4.1 to the "Enterprise Linux" >>versions. >> >> > >Oh, and as the version number implies the final K12LTSP 3.2 release is >meant to be a smooth upgrade from K12LTSP 3.1... > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 28 07:20:13 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:20:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> But this is exactly the point for many of us.... I am not running a media lab, or making heavy use of removeable media, or even scsi emulation. New "Features" that might be handy there (though I suspect redhat of having their business nearest and dearest to their hearts when they introduce a new feature, not part of a linus kernel release) have a nasty tendency to make previously happy software kinda unhappy. I love playing with new toys on my time, But when every instance of oowriter crashes on a room full of students mid-paper I tend to regret whatever shiny new thing I introduced that caused it. I would tend to think that more hardware can be made to work reliably with whitebox than with fedora--for no reason than by checking on what redhat does and does not support....( I know--they don't actually support whitebox, but you get my drift). I dunno,. Are we all clear on what Fedora is? It is redhat's test bed for new features. Those that check out get into enterprise (eventually) See their site, they'll you tell so. The idea that the "fix" for the feature is in a kernel patch is ingenuous. The "fix" is stable when it is in RHEL, Debian stable and maybe testing, and probably whatever commercially suported version of suse is put out by Novell. If no one is calling it stable or supporting it..it isn't proven to be stable and is still "testing" and thus not "stable" however well it seems to work on some systems. This is usually moot on stuff that is actually released, but worth bearing in mind when your newest fedora update or refresh of your sid system generates a blank screen and tells you some vital system component isn't there anymore. Tell me would you book a flight for your family across the pacific on a prototype jet? They usually fly pretty well...... If fedora is working for you, That's great. I hope it stays that way through all the projected tri-annual updates. ( deos anyone get the sense that I'm somehow bitter about fedora? ) I am really impressed that eric went out of his way to do this, and I think it will see a surprising amount of use. It has certainly made me reconsider a move to debian for my ltsp server. -AF Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 12:12, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>Awesome. A completely packaged version based off a stable distro such >>as RHEL/WBEL would be an excellent alternative. For me I don't want >>cutting edge, I need stable. >> >> > >I strongly suspect you are being overly optimistic about RHEL based >distro's solving all the weird hardware issues you might encounter. >I'd guess that would fall more in the 'feature' category that >is intentionally not backported to keep from breaking anything >else even when the fix is added to new kernels. I'd like to >be proven wrong about this, but... > >On the other hand if it turns out that your particular hardware >does work reliably with it you should have a better chance of >keeping it up to date with security related updates longer >without major changes. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sat Aug 28 10:14:53 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:14:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: <1093657722.10904.11.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1093657722.10904.11.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <20040828061453.4dd66d2f.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:48:42 -0300 Timothy Legge wrote: > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 22:23, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > and did a search on google for the PXE-E52 error > > and got http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12ltspdig/306.html > > where the writer says: "What version of pxe does > > your client have? I've had success with 2.0 but not with .99." > > > > My client has .99 > > Yes, I have not had luck with 0.99. Typically you can get an update to > load onto the card. If it is the bios pxe, upgrading the bios will > normally upgrade pxe. > Tim and Debbie, The old 0.99 version raises it's buggy head again! I got the same PXE-E52 error when setting up an Intel cn430tx board with onboard nic and Landesk Service Agent 0.99. Landesk Service Agent 0.99 is known to be buggy. The solution that worked for me is outlined at http://syslinux.zytor.com/hardware.php#network. Briefly, disable path MTU discovery on the boot server by changing the content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from 0 to 1. To do this. as root, run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from the command line. If you ever reboot your server you will have to rerun this command. Disable the blksize TFTP option on your TFTP server by adding -r blksize to the server_args in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp The line in my system is: server_args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot/ You'll have to restart tftp for the changes to take effect.: /sbin/service xinetd restart should take of that. This works for me...hope it does for you. Good luck! Jesse McDonnell From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Aug 28 11:02:51 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:02:51 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: <1093660596.3044.65.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1093660596.3044.65.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1093690971.16141.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 23:36, Sudev Barar wrote: [snip] > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > As explained above these two lines are not needed. If this card is a 3c509 then it is isa and needs this setting. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sat Aug 28 12:19:45 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:19:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] print based on location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41307861.5040108@gwi.net> Tim Scholten wrote: > hi > I am trying to make it so that when a user prints, it will print to > the printer in the same room. I looked in the archives an found this > thread > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-October/msg00139.html , > exactly what i am trying to accomplish here. > > I tried using his script in /etc/profile.d/ with the changes for this > location, but the default printer is still the original default. > The problem is that the PRINTER environment variable is no longer used to manage override of the default printer. The gnome-print-manager and your account's .printers file are involved. But I'll have to do some digging to see how the setting can be changed and made effective programatically. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From luis.montes at cox.net Sat Aug 28 12:49:59 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:49:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Environmental Variables per workstation Message-ID: <41307F77.70705@cox.net> I've written a little how-to on how to set up arbitrary environmental variables per workstation on k12ltsp. http://school.qop.org/lmontes/env.html There's definetly more than one way to do this, but I think this way is pretty flexible. You can use this to assing a default printer for applications that still look for the PRINTER variable. Luis From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 28 16:25:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:25:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 02:20, Andrew wrote: > Are we all clear on what Fedora is? It is redhat's test bed for > new features. Yes, but Redhat develops a tiny fraction of a Linux distribution. Most of the code comes from thousands of other developers who are learning as they go, fixing old bugs with each new version and improving their work. Redhat promises to backport the serious bugfixes into old releases for the support lifetime of a distribution (and you can see why this would kill them before they changed the versioning model). But, do you really think RH can do a better job of making programs work correctly than the original author? I'll take one I know about as an example: perl has some serious bugs that keep it from working with an application I use unless it is 5.8.3 or newer, which you find in fedora core 1 and later. RHEL has something earlier and apparently considers handling different character sets correctly a 'feature' so they don't backport the fix. > Tell me would you book a flight for your > family across the pacific on a prototype jet? They usually fly pretty > well...... Analogies usually have flaws - this one omits the fact that the only other choice is a ancient design with many well known problems and that millions of others are using the new prototype and find it to be a big improvement. And if you want to carry the analogy a bit farther, you should also consider the fact that your children will have to rely on the new design for a long time and if you don't help shake out the early bugs they may always pose the same problems. > If fedora is working for you, That's great. I hope it > stays that way through all the projected tri-annual updates. ( deos > anyone get the sense that I'm somehow bitter about fedora? ) I do have a certain nostalgia for the old days of RH where everyone knew that you waited for X.2 to put the next release in production (for X from 4 to 7 anyway). You can treat fedora approximately the same way by waiting a few months after a release to install, followed immediately by a 'yum update' to pick up the initial bugfixes. > I am really impressed that eric went out of his way to do this, and I > think it will see a surprising amount of use. It has certainly made me > reconsider a move to debian for my ltsp server. Debian's versioning is even worse than fedora/RH. How old is that stuff that they call stable? And if you haven't had problems mixing stable and testing/unstable you've just been lucky. On a server doing classic file/print/email services, old code is fine. These services have been solid for 20 years on unix. However, k12ltsp is an odd mix of server and desktop code and you really, really don't want to be running old unix/linux desktop software. There are very good reasons that Linux on the desktop has not been popular until the last couple of years. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Aug 28 17:14:12 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:14:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> < > <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: First it's great that Eric is going to release the WBEL/RHEL version of K12LTSP! Very cool! Now to the discussion. Weird hardware is weird hardware...sometimes it works and other times it won't. Weird hardware is not a good choice for a high need, high availability server environment...always go with tried and true stuff. If we all used "stable stuff" the distro would never progress would it? No one would test new things. Or the new things would never get tested in a large enough environment to make any distinct decisions as to whether or not something is a bug. I don't need the most stable version....since I have a Samba-LDAP server where all my users and home dirs live...blowing away my K12LTSP box is a minor inconvenience. Also...in a production environment it's not a bad idea to have an "experiment server" that you csn drop in as a replacement should the need arise. I'm going to use K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2 as I've had no show-stopping problems at all with it. YMMV If you must have rock-solid stabilty...use the older versions or the WBEL version....also remember...NO ONE is MAKING you upgrade. I ran 3.12 all year last year....it worked great. I wrestled with the decision to go with 4.01 or 4.1....I chose 4.1 as I love the new features and want to give it an honest test. I'll probably stick with it all year unless something really cool comes out. No need to screw things up mid-year....remember..if it ain't broke....leave it alone until you can upgrade safely (like summer). David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 28 18:34:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:34:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> < > <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1093718086.31482.62.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 12:14, David Trask wrote: > Now to the discussion. Weird hardware is weird hardware...sometimes it > works and other times it won't. Weird hardware is not a good choice for a > high need, high availability server environment...always go with tried and > true stuff. It's not that simple. I've been buying hardware with Linux pre-installed for years, starting back in the days when the odds were against you installing on something untested. I have boxes from VAResearch who changed their name to VALinux later, then went out of the hardware business, and from Penguincomputing that each came with a fairly current RH preinstalled. I generally blew away their version and reloaded from scratch but I knew that there wouldn't be a problem with Linux drivers to match the hardware. Now fast-forward a few years when it's time to update the old and moldy OS. Ironically, the VA boxes, probably used as a testbed for Linux in the 2.2 kernel days, will not install anything later than RH 7.3 except FC2, and there you need to use the boot command 'linux acpi=force' to make it work with that particular Intel motherboard. The older P3 Penguin boxes used the SuperMicro 370DLR board which runs everything except FC2 which crashes in the installer. The newer xeon based Penguin boxes come with RH9 preinstalled but need a custom patch to the adaptec driver to handle the latest controller so you can't re-install a stock RH9, but FC1 or FC2 work fine. This is just the way hi-tech works, nothing Linux specific here. Keeping windows boxes boxes up to date is as bad or worse, you just have a better chance of finding that someone else has found a solution to a problem because of the sheer numbers involved. As an example, we've tried to install windows on the Penguin xeon boxes and not even XP includes the necessary adaptec driver. Working around this is especially painful because the 1U boxes don't include a floppy and the Windows installer is too dumb to load drivers from anywhere else. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ph at panamahank.com Sat Aug 28 18:38:40 2004 From: ph at panamahank.com (Hank) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:38:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard drive rescue (OT) (David Trask) Message-ID: <200408281338.41043.ph@panamahank.com> "They're Seagates...if that makes any difference, but I'll definitely try the Knoppix idea...got a gazillion copies of it ;-)" When I get a hard drive that is too hozed for windows to deal with, I boot off CD 1 of SuSE and remove all partitions, then set one FAT partition. Of course, you will be unable to install SuSE, but that isn't the goal, anyway. After setting the one partition, I can almost always then install Windows. This should work with any Linux distro. Hank From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 28 20:37:16 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:37:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4130ECFC.2090800@mtaonline.net> It isdn't so much redhat improving over the original author--it is a matter of a series of distro specific bug reports that help get the problem ironed out at both ends. I stick w/ debian testing at home btw, and don't mix stable/unsrtable etc. I gotta ask though, what is it you think can be done (in a production sense, not in a running the latest subversion of something sense) on fedora that can't be done on whitebox? Certainly not much multimedia..... Not much by way of failover clustering... what then? They just aren't that far apart yet. The biggest improvement made in Fedora, the inclusion of kernel 2.6, is useless in a k12ltsp environment so far, as k12 ltsp.org supports up to kernel 2.4.26 as of today. All the recent nifty improvements in the way linux does things really hang on kernel 2.6. Whitebox uses kernel 2.4.25 (modied, of course) do version 2.4.25rhel and kernel 2.4.6rhfc2 seem that far apart to you in funcionality? Sadly openmosix also seems to still like 2.4 kernels. So long as our networking and clustering stuff depends on , as you say, an ancient kernel, it seems kinda silly to be calling whitebox ancient and obsolete. -AF Les Mikesell wrote: > >Yes, but Redhat develops a tiny fraction of a Linux distribution. >Most of the code comes from thousands of other developers >who are learning as they go, fixing old bugs with each >new version and improving their work. Redhat promises to >backport the serious bugfixes into old releases for the >support lifetime of a distribution (and you can see why >this would kill them before they changed the versioning >model). But, do you really think RH can do a better job >of making programs work correctly than the original >author? I'll take one I know about as an example: perl >has some serious bugs that keep it from working with >an application I use unless it is 5.8.3 or newer, which >you find in fedora core 1 and later. RHEL has something >earlier and apparently considers handling different character >sets correctly a 'feature' so they don't backport the fix. > > > From adfour at mtaonline.net Sat Aug 28 20:53:10 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:53:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4130F0B6.1020908@mtaonline.net> David Trask wrote: >Yeah I ran 3.1 all year too. Tried 4.0 Big trouble, went back. The thing is, I'm in the position of convincing people that linux is a better choice--on virtually no budget. I supply my own server, and the next best thing I have is a p2400 with 128 megs of ram--not a good alternate server. I am in a novell envirnment, and while I can use the novell directories as home folders for my students it is a pain if my ltsp server dies. It also doesn't help convince the nay-sayers Gatesians and Novellites. I would much rather see my whole district drop novell, use samba and openldap and phpgroupware and dansguardian and classroom/lab/library ltsp servers and save a fortune. I have a couple of people carefully trying ltsp boxen in a library and a classroom. If it works reliably and easily we make progress. If obscure widget @ obscure address has suddenly killed their display managers and I have to leave my class to fix it the whole cause of introducing cheap efficient effective educat! ional computing takes a possible mortal blow. In that situation, I can't really afford to be a tester. If linux takes off..and our sysadmins lear to trouble shoot it (some are good alrealdy) then maybe I can try the latest and greatest and take a risk or 2 in my class. > -AF >First it's great that Eric is going to release the WBEL/RHEL version of >K12LTSP! Very cool! > >Now to the discussion. Weird hardware is weird hardware...sometimes it >works and other times it won't. Weird hardware is not a good choice for a >high need, high availability server environment...always go with tried and >true stuff. If we all used "stable stuff" the distro would never progress >would it? No one would test new things. Or the new things would never >get tested in a large enough environment to make any distinct decisions as >to whether or not something is a bug. I don't need the most stable >version....since I have a Samba-LDAP server where all my users and home >dirs live...blowing away my K12LTSP box is a minor inconvenience. >Also...in a production environment it's not a bad idea to have an >"experiment server" that you csn drop in as a replacement should the need >arise. I'm going to use K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2 as I've had no >show-stopping problems at all with it. YMMV If you must have rock-solid >stabilty...use the older versions or the WBEL version....also >remember...NO ONE is MAKING you upgrade. I ran 3.12 all year last >year....it worked great. I wrestled with the decision to go with 4.01 or >4.1....I chose 4.1 as I love the new features and want to give it an >honest test. I'll probably stick with it all year unless something really >cool comes out. No need to screw things up mid-year....remember..if it >ain't broke....leave it alone until you can upgrade safely (like summer). > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dagaz at dagaz.se Sat Aug 28 21:58:38 2004 From: dagaz at dagaz.se (D@g@Z a k a Roland Frans ) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:58:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Kiosktool for KDE and LTSP In-Reply-To: <20040828122948.C4417736B8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040828122948.C4417736B8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4131000E.2030504@dagaz.se> I got a little question concerning the usage of KDE kiosktool. I am testing it out but I can't seem to get the profiles changing on per group basis. Is there anyone that is using this out there that can give me a few hints on the matter? I have almost googled to death. ;) I am using K12LTSP 4.1.0 and KDE is 3.2.2-6 Roland k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to > k12osn at redhat.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > k12osn-request at redhat.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > k12osn-owner at redhat.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I need an automatic relogin script (Tim Litwiller) > 2. RE: Searching for server (DHCP) (Debbie Schiel) > 3. RE: Searching for server (DHCP) (Les Mikesell) > 4. Re: *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 (Andrew) > 5. Re: *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 (Andrew) > 6. Re: Searching for server (DHCP) (Jesse McDonnell) > 7. RE: Searching for server (DHCP) (Timothy Legge) > 8. Re: print based on location (Christopher K. Johnson) > 9. Environmental Variables per workstation (Luis Montes) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:02:01 -0500 >From: Tim Litwiller >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] I need an automatic relogin script >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <413003B9.20609 at litwiller.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Shahms King wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 17:36 -0500, Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>I need some king of monitoring script for mozilla/firefox that if the >>>user closes the program the terminal will logout. >>> >>>Is this possible? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>This has been addressed before, I believe (check the archives linked at >>the bottom), but the short answer is "yes". The long answer (how to >>accomplish it) depends on a lot of other variables like whether you want >>the users to be able to run other applications, etc. >> >>The quick-and-dirty answer is: X will exit (and gdm will respawn) when >>the script that launched the session does. If you look in >>/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions you'll see a bunch of executable scripts. These >>are the files that gdm launches when a user logs in. When that script >>"returns", the terminal is logged out. >> >>Most of those files simply "exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession ". >>Most of the actual session logic is in that script so you can, without >>changing anything, make any of the sessions "mozilla-dependent" by >>changing them to: >> >>/etc/X11/xdm/Xsession & >>exec /usr/bin/mozilla >> >>When the user exits mozilla, the session exits and they are logged out. >> >>Not the most elegant solution, but it will work. >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >thanks for that explanation -I'll try that as soon as I can. > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 04:28:41 +0000 >From: "Debbie Schiel" >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hi Tim, > >Thanks for the comments. I am now using an etherboot 5.2.5 floppy on the >newer client machine (not the one with 0.99) but it still searches for the >server. > >I'm going to follow other suggestions now and just work with one network >card on the server. > >Debbie > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Timothy Legge >Reply-To: tlegge at rogers.com,"Support list for opensource software in >schools." >To: nospam at debstar.com,"Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:48:42 -0300 > >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 22:23, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > and did a search on google for the PXE-E52 error > > and got http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12ltspdig/306.html > > where the writer says: "What version of pxe does > > your client have? I've had success with 2.0 but not with .99." > > > > My client has .99 > >Yes, I have not had luck with 0.99. Typically you can get an update to >load onto the card. If it is the bios pxe, upgrading the bios will >normally upgrade pxe. > > > Etherboot 5.0.1 > > found VIA 6102 at 0xE800, ROM address 0x0000 > > probing... [VIA 86C100 lrhine.c V1.0.0 2000-01-07 > > IO address E800 Ethernet Address: 0x00:0x0E:0XA6:0X65:0XE2:0X29 > > Analyzing media type, this will take several seconds... ok > > Linespeed=100Mbs Fullduplex > > Searching for server (DHCP)... > >Etherboot 5.0 is extraordinarily old. Please go to romomatic.net and >download the latest release. > > > ARG!!!! > > ok so it is not a problem with the client, yes? > > I am going to try buy a new switch and a new network card to cancel out > > those two as possible problems. > > I know it shouldn't be this difficult... I think I must be missing >something > > very obvious... So I will keep on until I get it right! > >The age of the boot code may be your issue. Update it and let me know >your results. > >Tim > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:31:12 -0500 >From: Les Mikesell >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) >To: nospam at debstar.com, "Support list for opensource software in > schools." >Message-ID: <1093671071.25312.3.camel at les-home.futuresource.com> >Content-Type: text/plain > >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 23:28, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > >>Thanks for the comments. I am now using an etherboot 5.2.5 floppy on the >>newer client machine (not the one with 0.99) but it still searches for the >>server. >> >> > > >You might try the universal floppy from the thinstation >project. It has support for about 30 different NICs. >Follow the link from: >http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html > >You can see if the see if the server is getting the >dhcp requests by looking through /var/log/messages. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:45:25 -0800 >From: Andrew >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <41302A05.5010600 at mtaonline.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Thanks!!!!!! >-AF >Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 08:39, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>I've uploaded an early alpha build of K12LTSP 3.2. This is a back-port >>>of all the work that went into K12LTSP 4.1 to the "Enterprise Linux" >>>versions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Oh, and as the version number implies the final K12LTSP 3.2 release is >>meant to be a smooth upgrade from K12LTSP 3.1... >> >>-Eric >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:20:13 -0800 >From: Andrew >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <4130322D.7050103 at mtaonline.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >But this is exactly the point for many of us.... >I am not running a media lab, or making heavy use of removeable media, >or even scsi emulation. New "Features" that might be handy there (though >I suspect redhat of having their >business nearest and dearest to their hearts when they introduce a new >feature, not part of a linus kernel release) have a nasty tendency to >make previously happy software kinda unhappy. I love playing with new >toys on my time, But when every instance of oowriter crashes on a room >full of students mid-paper I tend to regret whatever shiny new thing I >introduced that caused it. I would tend to think that more hardware >can be made to work reliably with whitebox than with fedora--for no >reason than by checking on what redhat does and does not support....( I >know--they don't actually support whitebox, but you get my drift). I >dunno,. Are we all clear on what Fedora is? It is redhat's test bed for >new features. Those that check out get into enterprise (eventually) See >their site, they'll you tell so. The idea that the "fix" for the feature >is in a kernel patch is ingenuous. The "fix" is stable when it is in >RHEL, Debian stable and maybe testing, and probably whatever >commercially suported version of suse is put out by Novell. If no one is >calling it stable or supporting it..it isn't proven to be stable and is >still "testing" and thus not "stable" however well it seems to work on >some systems. This is usually moot on stuff that is actually released, >but worth bearing in mind when your newest fedora update or refresh of >your sid system generates a blank screen and tells you some vital system >component isn't there anymore. Tell me would you book a flight for your >family across the pacific on a prototype jet? They usually fly pretty >well...... If fedora is working for you, That's great. I hope it >stays that way through all the projected tri-annual updates. ( deos >anyone get the sense that I'm somehow bitter about fedora? ) > >I am really impressed that eric went out of his way to do this, and I >think it will see a surprising amount of use. It has certainly made me >reconsider a move to debian for my ltsp server. >-AF > >Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 12:12, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Awesome. A completely packaged version based off a stable distro such >>>as RHEL/WBEL would be an excellent alternative. For me I don't want >>>cutting edge, I need stable. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I strongly suspect you are being overly optimistic about RHEL based >>distro's solving all the weird hardware issues you might encounter. >>I'd guess that would fall more in the 'feature' category that >>is intentionally not backported to keep from breaking anything >>else even when the fix is added to new kernels. I'd like to >>be proven wrong about this, but... >> >>On the other hand if it turns out that your particular hardware >>does work reliably with it you should have a better chance of >>keeping it up to date with security related updates longer >>without major changes. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:14:53 -0400 >From: Jesse McDonnell >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) >To: tlegge at rogers.com, "Support list for opensource software in > schools." >Cc: tlegge at rogers.com, nospam at debstar.com >Message-ID: <20040828061453.4dd66d2f.jessemcdonnell at comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:48:42 -0300 >Timothy Legge wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 22:23, Debbie Schiel wrote: >> >> >>>and did a search on google for the PXE-E52 error >>>and got http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12ltspdig/306.html >>>where the writer says: "What version of pxe does >>>your client have? I've had success with 2.0 but not with .99." >>> >>>My client has .99 >>> >>> >>Yes, I have not had luck with 0.99. Typically you can get an update to >>load onto the card. If it is the bios pxe, upgrading the bios will >>normally upgrade pxe. >> >> >> > >Tim and Debbie, > >The old 0.99 version raises it's buggy head again! I got the same PXE-E52 error when setting up an Intel cn430tx board with onboard nic and Landesk Service Agent 0.99. Landesk Service Agent 0.99 is known to be buggy. The solution that worked for me is outlined at http://syslinux.zytor.com/hardware.php#network. > >Briefly, disable path MTU discovery on the boot server by changing the content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from 0 to 1. >To do this. as root, run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from the command line. If you ever reboot your server you will have to rerun this command. > >Disable the blksize TFTP option on your TFTP server by adding -r blksize to the server_args in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp >The line in my system is: > >server_args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot/ > >You'll have to restart tftp for the changes to take effect.: /sbin/service xinetd restart should take of that. > >This works for me...hope it does for you. > >Good luck! > >Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:02:51 -0300 >From: Timothy Legge >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <1093690971.16141.9.camel at athlon.johnsonavenue.org> >Content-Type: text/plain > >On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 23:36, Sudev Barar wrote: >[snip] > > >>> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; >>> option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; >>> >>> >>As explained above these two lines are not needed. >> >> > >If this card is a 3c509 then it is isa and needs this setting. > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:19:45 -0400 >From: "Christopher K. Johnson" >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] print based on location >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <41307861.5040108 at gwi.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Tim Scholten wrote: > > > >>hi >>I am trying to make it so that when a user prints, it will print to >>the printer in the same room. I looked in the archives an found this >>thread >>http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-October/msg00139.html , >>exactly what i am trying to accomplish here. >> >>I tried using his script in /etc/profile.d/ with the changes for this >>location, but the default printer is still the original default. >> >> >> >The problem is that the PRINTER environment variable is no longer used >to manage override of the default printer. >The gnome-print-manager and your account's .printers file are involved. >But I'll have to do some digging to see how the setting can be changed >and made effective programatically. > >Chris > > > -- Roland Frans Kl?verstigen 30B 784 51 Borl?nge 0702-20 62 15 In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES? From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Aug 28 22:01:19 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <4130ECFC.2090800@mtaonline.net> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130ECFC.2090800@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <64979.24.20.16.226.1093730479.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Andrew said: > The biggest improvement made in > Fedora, the inclusion of kernel 2.6, is useless in a k12ltsp environment > so far, as k12 ltsp.org supports up to kernel 2.4.26 as of today. ??? OK, so the terminals boot from a 2.4 kernel. A K12LTSP 4.1 _server_ is running 2.6.8, if you're all patched up. That's where the action is happening, as it were, in terms of load. Far from useless. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 28 22:31:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:31:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <4130ECFC.2090800@mtaonline.net> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130ECFC.2090800@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <1093732265.31883.59.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 15:37, Andrew wrote: > I gotta ask though, what is it you think can be done (in a > production sense, not in a running the latest subversion of something > sense) on fedora that can't be done on whitebox? In my case, I've had trouble with less-than-the-latest Evolution and I need perl 5.8.3 for RT (request tracker from http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/). I'd like to update my old mail server too and dovecot looks attractive, but again, only the latest version is likely to be usable. > Certainly not much > multimedia..... Alsa is in general an improvement over OSS, X.org is better than Xfree86. Some things that used to work will break, but more things will work better. > Not much by way of failover clustering... what then? I haven't tried whitebox on one of the boxes with the latest adaptec 320Mhz controllers. RH9 won't install on them so I didn't expect whitebox to. > They just aren't that far apart yet. The biggest improvement made in > Fedora, the inclusion of kernel 2.6, is useless in a k12ltsp environment > so far, as k12 ltsp.org supports up to kernel 2.4.26 as of today. > All the recent nifty improvements in the way linux does things really > hang on kernel 2.6. Yes, but with ltsp you only run the X display locally. All the real work happens on the server and I'd expect the new scheduler to improve performance even if you don't need new device support. > Sadly openmosix also seems to still like 2.4 kernels. So > long as our networking and clustering stuff depends on , as you say, > an ancient kernel, it seems kinda silly to be calling whitebox ancient > and obsolete. I've avoided openmosix so far, mostly because I didn't trust it. Is it possible to tell mosix that things can run on the local desktop machine or a set of servers, but not other desktop machines where someone might accidentally bump the power switch? I'm actually still running RH 7.3 on some machines so I can't complain too much about old stuff but when I do update I want to go to something current instead of continuing to work around the same old bugs. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From trondrm at online.no Sat Aug 28 22:55:27 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:55:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... Message-ID: <200408282255.i7SMtUT0018151@mail43.nsc.no> I use K12LTSP 4.0.1 on my LTSP servers. They all use ldap login. A main server has all the home folders and handles most services. It also houses the ldap database. I want to see who is logged on the LTSP servers. I try the who command, but it only shows one user. I suspect it shows the user who last logged on. I know that there are many more users on, but they don't show up. Is this a Fedora thing? When I use the Norwegian "Skolelinux", which is Debian-based with the same setup as the Feodra boxes, the who command lists all users... Can someone help me with this one? Is there an alternative to monitor user activity? Regards Trond M?hlum From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 29 00:42:09 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:42:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <200408282255.i7SMtUT0018151@mail43.nsc.no> References: <200408282255.i7SMtUT0018151@mail43.nsc.no> Message-ID: <20040829004209.GC4730@mcquil.com> Trond, the 'who' command relies on entries in the utmp and wtmp files. It's usually up to the display manager (GDM,XDM,KDM) to add the entries to the utmp files, and remove the entries when you log out. Over the years various display managers have been setup correctly or incorrectly to do that. It varies alot by distribution, version and display manager. Take a look at the ltsp.org contrib page, Derek Dresser wrote an article about how to set up the session scripts to keep the utmp files updated. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 12:55:27AM +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > I use K12LTSP 4.0.1 on my LTSP servers. They all use ldap login. A main > server has all the home folders and handles most services. It also > houses the ldap database. I want to see who is logged on the LTSP > servers. I try the who command, but it only shows one user. I suspect it > shows the user who last logged on. I know that there are many more users > on, but they don't show up. Is this a Fedora thing? When I use the > Norwegian "Skolelinux", which is Debian-based with the same setup as the > Feodra boxes, the who command lists all users... > > Can someone help me with this one? Is there an alternative to monitor > user activity? > > Regards > > Trond M?hlum > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun Aug 29 02:13:04 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:13:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <64979.24.20.16.226.1093730479.squirrel@24.20.16.226> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130ECFC.2090800@mtaonline.net> <64979.24.20.16.226.1093730479.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Message-ID: <41313BB0.4090507@mtaonline.net> Dan Young wrote: >AH. I hadn't realized. The k12ltsp.org site indicated otherwise. That is something. Thanks. > -AF >Andrew said: > > >>The biggest improvement made in >>Fedora, the inclusion of kernel 2.6, is useless in a k12ltsp environment >>so far, as k12 ltsp.org supports up to kernel 2.4.26 as of today. >> >> > >??? OK, so the terminals boot from a 2.4 kernel. A K12LTSP 4.1 _server_ >is running 2.6.8, if you're all patched up. That's where the action is >happening, as it were, in terms of load. Far from useless. > >-- >Dan Young >Parkrose School District > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Aug 29 02:26:55 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:26:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] print based on location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41313EEF.7080902@gwi.net> Tim Scholten wrote: > hi > I am trying to make it so that when a user prints, it will print to > the printer in the same room. I looked in the archives an found this > thread > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-October/msg00139.html , > exactly what i am trying to accomplish here. > > I tried using his script in /etc/profile.d/ with the changes for this > location, but the default printer is still the original default. > > Is there else who has had a similar situation? If so what was your > solution? > > thanks for any help, > Tim Ok, the answer is - use 'lpoption -dprintername' from within the script. It updates ~/.lpoptions with the new default, overriding the cups default printer for that user. Wouldn't hurt to do that in addition to setting PRINTER env variable. See 'man lpoptions' -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Aug 29 05:07:56 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:07:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone have a copy of my VNCReflector how-to? Message-ID: My web server crashed and with it some important stuff. I'm unable to locate my VNCReflector how-to that I developed last fall to integrate VNC into TeacherTool....does anyone have a copy...if so can you send me one? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Aug 29 05:42:40 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:12:40 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: <1093690971.16141.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1093660596.3044.65.camel@roop.ltsp> <1093690971.16141.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1093758160.3046.8.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 16:32, Timothy Legge wrote: > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 23:36, Sudev Barar wrote: > [snip] > > > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > > As explained above these two lines are not needed. > > If this card is a 3c509 then it is isa and needs this setting. > You are right if it ISA. I have worked with similar card and it was PCI. Further in earlier post Debbie wrote: "3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10/100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX)" I do not know of any cards that were 100mbps in ISA socket! My assumption was that this is a PCI card. Correct me if I am wrong. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Sun Aug 29 10:40:40 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:40:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Environmental Variables per workstation References: <41307F77.70705@cox.net> Message-ID: <000701c48db4$a0a787a0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Luis > I've written a little how-to on how to set up arbitrary environmental > variables per workstation on k12ltsp. > > http://school.qop.org/lmontes/env.html Would you mind if I took your HOWTO & added it to my K12LTSP HOWTOz site @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net ? Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From tlegge at rogers.com Sun Aug 29 12:27:45 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:27:45 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Searching for server (DHCP) In-Reply-To: <1093758160.3046.8.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1093660596.3044.65.camel@roop.ltsp> <1093690971.16141.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <1093758160.3046.8.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1093782465.23191.4.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 02:42, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 16:32, Timothy Legge wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 23:36, Sudev Barar wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > > > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > > > As explained above these two lines are not needed. > > > > If this card is a 3c509 then it is isa and needs this setting. > > > You are right if it ISA. I have worked with similar card and it was PCI. > Further in earlier post Debbie wrote: > "3Com Fast EtherLink XL 10/100Mb TX Ethernet NIC (3C905-TX)" > > I do not know of any cards that were 100mbps in ISA socket! > My assumption was that this is a PCI card. > > Correct me if I am wrong. The 3c905 IS a PCI card. However, she also has the 3c509 listed in her dhcpd.conf file. That card is ISA and would require the setting. I am not sure if Debbie has both the 3c905 and 3c509 but it is possible that the setting is correct (as long as it is just used for the 509) Tim From luis.montes at cox.net Sun Aug 29 13:25:11 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:25:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Environmental Variables per workstation In-Reply-To: <000701c48db4$a0a787a0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <41307F77.70705@cox.net> <000701c48db4$a0a787a0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4131D937.2000908@cox.net> No problem. Just make sure to note that this worked on k12ltsp 4.1 Not sure if the script will work on early versions. Luis Gavin Spurgeon wrote: >Hi Luis > > > >>I've written a little how-to on how to set up arbitrary environmental >>variables per workstation on k12ltsp. >> >>http://school.qop.org/lmontes/env.html >> >> > >Would you mind if I took your HOWTO & added it to my K12LTSP >HOWTOz site @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net ? > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > >############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > > > From trondrm at online.no Sun Aug 29 13:40:33 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:40:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <20040829004209.GC4730@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <200408291340.i7TDeaf6017004@mail45.nsc.no> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > Trond, > > the 'who' command relies on entries in the utmp and wtmp files. > > It's usually up to the display manager (GDM,XDM,KDM) to add > the entries to the utmp files, and remove the entries when > you log out. Over the years various display managers have > been setup correctly or incorrectly to do that. It varies > alot by distribution, version and display manager. > Take a look at the ltsp.org contrib page, Derek Dresser wrote > an article about how to set up the session scripts to keep > the utmp files updated. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Thank you Jim, I use the standard display manager setup by K12LTSP 4.0.1. Is that GDMM? I see that the how-to works on KDM. Is there any easy way of changing from GDM to KDM? Finally can someone verify that K12LTSP 4.0.1 defaults to GDM on the terminals? Regards Trond > On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 12:55:27AM +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: >> I use K12LTSP 4.0.1 on my LTSP servers. They all use ldap login. A >> main server has all the home folders and handles most services. It >> also houses the ldap database. I want to see who is logged on the >> LTSP servers. I try the who command, but it only shows one user. I >> suspect it shows the user who last logged on. I know that there are >> many more users on, but they don't show up. Is this a Fedora thing? >> When I use the Norwegian "Skolelinux", which is Debian-based with >> the same setup as the Feodra boxes, the who command lists all >> users... >> >> Can someone help me with this one? Is there an alternative to >> monitor user activity? >> >> Regards >> >> Trond M?hlum >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Sun Aug 29 14:01:16 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:01:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Need to check for group membership via Script Message-ID: <000801c48dd0$a73a8240$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... I'm looking for a bit of script that will check for Group Membership of a user... I need it in the format of an IF kinda thing... i.e. if user is a member of group X then... Has anyone got an ideas ? Thanx Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Aug 29 15:06:48 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:06:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.2 for RHEL, LDAP config wishlist .. In-Reply-To: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I've uploaded an early alpha build of K12LTSP 3.2. This is a back-port > of all the work that went into K12LTSP 4.1 to the "Enterprise Linux" > versions. This is great news. I see the K12LTSP 4.1 had one big RPM to hold all of LTSP tar.gz install archives. I have another request :- I am looking at the possibility of moving over to LDAP as a repository for all my config information. I use it for authentication, meaning that I can back up all usernames and passwords by dumping my LDAP database. I do not yet use this info on my Mail eXchangers, but hope to in the future. I have been experimenting with PowerDNS, and am pleasantly suprised by the LDAP backend that it sports - now I can keep all my nameserver information like local lookups and school MX records in LDAP. I tried the LDAP patch to ISC DHCPD, but went back to flat files. I identify machines in lts.conf by MAC address, so I do not need much beyond a range statement in DHCP. I would, however, love to have lts.conf info stored in LDAP. Which computers have 2 mouse buttons ? Go easy on screen resolution for that old monitor. Identify the Xserver for the 486 at the back. Next, I need LDAP authentication for UUCP .. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From lug at phxlinux.org Sun Aug 29 15:34:11 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:34:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <200408291340.i7TDeaf6017004@mail45.nsc.no> References: <200408291340.i7TDeaf6017004@mail45.nsc.no> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, [iso-8859-1] Trond M?hlum wrote: > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > > Trond, > > > > the 'who' command relies on entries in the utmp and wtmp files. > > > > It's usually up to the display manager (GDM,XDM,KDM) to add > > the entries to the utmp files, and remove the entries when > > you log out. Over the years various display managers have > > been setup correctly or incorrectly to do that. It varies > > alot by distribution, version and display manager. > > > Take a look at the ltsp.org contrib page, Derek Dresser wrote > > an article about how to set up the session scripts to keep > > the utmp files updated. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > Thank you Jim, > > I use the standard display manager setup by K12LTSP 4.0.1. Is that GDMM? > I see that the how-to works on KDM. > > Is there any easy way of changing from GDM to KDM? Change /etc/sysconfig/desktop so it contains the following: DESKTOP="KDE" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 29 16:30:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:30:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.2 for RHEL, LDAP config wishlist .. In-Reply-To: <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1093797009.11987.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 10:06, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > Next, I need LDAP authentication for UUCP .. > It has been ages since I used uucp, but I thought login took care of authentication before starting it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Sun Aug 29 16:59:09 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:59:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Layout per Group ? -:SOLVED:- References: <000b01c48a8c$2e046130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <004101c48de9$809bd850$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... Just a quick Update... I needed some way to make Icons appear on the Desktop for users in a certain group... & asked for any help on this... But I have just managed to work it all out... I have got a very simple script that I need some one to try (Beta) for me, before I make up a HOWTO for my method... Is there anyone that would like to try this out ? I no this is a feature that I am going to love using on my K12LTSP setup, There must be other people looking for this type of ability... If all goes well with @ least one other tester I will make up a HOWTO & put it up on my site @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Sun Aug 29 17:01:23 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:01:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Need to check for group membership via Script References: <000801c48dd0$a73a8240$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <005501c48de9$d09e53f0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All.. Please ignore this eMail... I have worked it out... my way may not be the best way but it works for what I am trying to do... Thanx anyway... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Aug 29 17:20:39 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 30 Aug 2004 01:20:39 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hard drive rescue (OT) In-Reply-To: References: < > <1093652112.412fce91000a5@sages.us> <1093654306.24652.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1093800058.1104.107.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 12:00, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >Depending on the disk size and the machine bios, you > >may have to have special software installed to make > >windows use the drive - the imaging run may have > >wiped that out. If that is the case look for a bios > >flash update. > > They're Seagates...if that makes any difference, but I'll definitely try > the Knoppix idea...got a gazillion copies of it ;-) Usual qualifying statements: YMMV, FWIW, etc... You might try the command (fdisk MBR) (remove parenthesis, retain capitals). I think that's the syntax of it - from memory. If you have a bootloader problem you have to re-write the boot sector of the the disk to get it to play nice. Had to use that myself to wipe LILO and replace it properly with GRUB, you may find that to work in your case too though somewhat different????? -- Regards, Gavin Chester From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Aug 29 17:54:09 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:54:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.2 for RHEL, LDAP config wishlist .. In-Reply-To: <1093797009.11987.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> <1093797009.11987.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040829175409.GA27354@wizzy.com> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 10:06, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > Next, I need LDAP authentication for UUCP .. > > > > It has been ages since I used uucp, but I thought login > took care of authentication before starting it. Of course login requires cooperation between server and client. uucp (the server, or slave) has two modes - an endless loop on login/password prompts on port 540, that use /etc/uucp/passwd as a plaintext authenticator, which I currently use, and a user that invokes uucico as a shell, which uses regular (including LDAP) pam auth. I should use the latter. Then there is the slave, which uses /etc/uucp/call - a (plaintext) file that holds the triplet host/login/passwd. I cannot see a way around that - but I would like that to (also) use an LDAP lookup to find the password to send. Cheers, Andy! From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Aug 30 13:33:29 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:33:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to K12LTSP 4.1.0 - User accounts and settings In-Reply-To: <93260980040822150448b3a886@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701c48e95$f0200c80$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Yes, you'll need to save /home & when you do the re-install, create a separate partiion for /home. That way you can just leave it in place for the next upgrade. I'm not sure why the default isn't to create a separate /home. __________________________________________________________ Krsnendu replies: How do I setup the separate partition when installing K12LTSP 4.1? I know there is a section of the install for partitions, but I am not sure how much space to leave for each partition and how to link /home to its own partition. ___________________________________________________________ Unless you want to re-create the accounts (and paswords), you'll want to save those too. it's a good idea to backup all of /etc/, but you'll probably need: passwd group shadow It's not quite as easy as that, because the new version will have some different system accounts, so you'll need to either add just the users >=500 to the new files or figure out which system accounts have been added/deleted or changed. ______________________________________________________________ Krsnendu replies: I don't understand this paragraph. What does users >=500 mean? ______________________________________________________________ On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:46:37 -0700, Krsnendu wrote: > I have a small network 5 clients 11 users running K12LTSP 4.0.4 Now I > have the K12LTSP CDS in front of me. I want to do a fresh install but I > want to keep users settings, (desktop picutures taskbar etc) as well as > their files. How do I do that? Do I just copy the whole home directory > to another computer on the network and when I have finished copy it back > again, or is their more to it than that? Do I have to recreate all the > users? Or is there a file containing this info that I can just export > and import? From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 29 18:43:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:43:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.2 for RHEL, LDAP config wishlist .. In-Reply-To: <20040829175409.GA27354@wizzy.com> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> <1093797009.11987.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040829175409.GA27354@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1093804996.12326.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 12:54, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > uucp (the server, or slave) has two modes - an endless loop on > login/password prompts on port 540, that use /etc/uucp/passwd as a > plaintext authenticator, which I currently use, and a user that invokes > uucico as a shell, which uses regular (including LDAP) pam auth. > > I should use the latter. If you are running over tcp instead of serial/modems, is there some reason to continue using uucp instead of the more typical (for this century anyway...) network operations (smtp mail, ftp, ssh/scp)? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Sun Aug 29 19:50:46 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:50:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Editing gnome menus (again?) Message-ID: <082920041950.8285.41323395000CBBC80000205D22007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, I have searched via google, searched the list, and still can't figure out how to add a new menu item in gnome (RH9.0). I have added my .desktop in /usr/share/applications (I copied an existing entry and edited it to do what I wanted) . If I use applications:/// in Nautilus, it is there, but it doesn't show up on the menu. Is this really rocket science to add a menu item? If there is a link to a 'treat-me-stupid' tutorial, I will gladly read it. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Aug 29 19:59:54 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:59:54 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.2 for RHEL, LDAP config wishlist .. In-Reply-To: <1093804996.12326.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> <1093797009.11987.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040829175409.GA27354@wizzy.com> <1093804996.12326.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040829195954.GA27928@wizzy.com> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 12:54, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > uucp (the server, or slave) has two modes - an endless loop on > > login/password prompts on port 540, that use /etc/uucp/passwd as a > > plaintext authenticator, which I currently use, and a user that invokes > > uucico as a shell, which uses regular (including LDAP) pam auth. > > > > I should use the latter. > > If you are running over tcp instead of serial/modems, is there > some reason to continue using uucp instead of the more > typical (for this century anyway...) network operations > (smtp mail, ftp, ssh/scp)? I am running over TCP. I am delivering email for a domain (the school) to a dynamic dialup. Thus SMTP ( whose ultimate target is the MX - fixed IP) is unsuitable. I choose UUCP, because the caller can request delivery of the mail, from a dynamic dialup, even. I use dyndns for UUCP delivery as well. Often it is about staying out of mainstream protocols for safety. However, the main reason I choose UUCP is that I can carry the UUCP spool directories via a UUCP memory stick to somewhere that does not have, or cannot afford, dialup connectivity. If I can run the service over UUCP, it will run over UUCP-on-a-stick. I use wwwoffle - and UUCP - to deliver scraped websites to locations (schools) that cannot afford dialup. I also take a regular snapshot of wikipedia (.org) and put it down at such schools. It is an experience close to WWW, for kids that have experienced neither wikipedia nor WWW. For folks in the 1st world, it is often hard to imagine what it was like to not have cheap 24hour connectivity. If you knew UUCP, it /ruled/ at a time when American connectivity was at the same evolutionary step as Africa's connectivity now (especially around price). It was developed by people (at the time) who cared about price and service - in the same environment. I do not feel like re-inventing the wheel - it worked fine before. I do need LDAP auth though. The Shuttleworth Foundation are putting in the computer labs ( http://slug.org.za/ ) - and leveraging heavily (of course) off LTSP. I am adding WWW and email to those classrooms. The hurdle is mostly the teachers. We are sorting out the technology. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From adfour at mtaonline.net Sun Aug 29 20:43:01 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:43:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093732265.31883.59.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <003501c48c59$01d23d70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1093630817.23467.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130322D.7050103@mtaonline.net> <1093710355.31227.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4130ECFC.2090800@mtaonline.net> <1093732265.31883.59.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41323FD5.9050002@mtaonline.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 15:37, Andrew wrote: > > >>I gotta ask though, what is it you think can be done (in a >>production sense, not in a running the latest subversion of something >>sense) on fedora that can't be done on whitebox? >> >> > >In my case, I've had trouble with less-than-the-latest Evolution >and I need perl 5.8.3 for RT (request tracker from >http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/). I'd like to update >my old mail server too and dovecot looks attractive, >but again, only the latest version is likely to be >usable. > > > >> Certainly not much >>multimedia..... >> >> > >Alsa is in general an improvement over OSS, X.org is >better than Xfree86. Some things that used to work >will break, but more things will work better. > > > >> Not much by way of failover clustering... what then? >> >> > >Actually seeing that I was wrong on the server kernel thing, most of my argument is kinda silly. Though I will say that sometimes the same old bugs you know about are far more comforting than rthe new ones that just kinda pop up on you. I plan to do some "server cluster" experiments this year with old donated hardware. None of the donated stuff is robust enough to be an ltsp server by itself, So maybe dividing up some of the chores > and kind of icing it over with open mosix might be of use....hence my interest. -AF >I haven't tried whitebox on one of the boxes with >the latest adaptec 320Mhz controllers. RH9 won't >install on them so I didn't expect whitebox to. > > > >>They just aren't that far apart yet. The biggest improvement made in >>Fedora, the inclusion of kernel 2.6, is useless in a k12ltsp environment >>so far, as k12 ltsp.org supports up to kernel 2.4.26 as of today. >>All the recent nifty improvements in the way linux does things really >>hang on kernel 2.6. >> >> > >Yes, but with ltsp you only run the X display locally. All the >real work happens on the server and I'd expect the new >scheduler to improve performance even if you don't need >new device support. > > > >>Sadly openmosix also seems to still like 2.4 kernels. So >>long as our networking and clustering stuff depends on , as you say, >>an ancient kernel, it seems kinda silly to be calling whitebox ancient >>and obsolete. >> >> > >I've avoided openmosix so far, mostly because I didn't trust >it. Is it possible to tell mosix that things can run on >the local desktop machine or a set of servers, but not >other desktop machines where someone might accidentally >bump the power switch? > >I'm actually still running RH 7.3 on some machines so >I can't complain too much about old stuff but when I do >update I want to go to something current instead of >continuing to work around the same old bugs. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Aug 30 02:04:01 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:34:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to K12LTSP 4.1.0 - User accounts and settings In-Reply-To: <000701c48e95$f0200c80$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <000701c48e95$f0200c80$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <1093831441.3047.3.camel@roop.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 19:03, Krsnendu wrote: [SNIP[ > It's not quite as easy as that, because the new version will have some > different system accounts, so you'll need to either add just the users > >=500 to the new files or figure out which system accounts have been > added/deleted or changed. > ______________________________________________________________ > Krsnendu replies: > > I don't understand this paragraph. What does users >=500 mean? > ______________________________________________________________ All users are typically granted UID's above 500 so that is why if you are migrating users also to new machine (so that they can access home also) it is worthwhile to copy the three files mentioned and after install (do not add any users at install) just drop these files into /etc directory. However if you have added some additional services then you will have to "append" these files to original after deleting all UID's and GID's lower than 500. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Aug 30 02:09:00 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:39:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Layout per Group ? -:SOLVED:- In-Reply-To: <004101c48de9$809bd850$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <000b01c48a8c$2e046130$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <004101c48de9$809bd850$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1093831740.3047.6.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 22:29, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > > Just a quick Update... > > I needed some way to make Icons appear on the Desktop > for users in a certain group... > & asked for any help on this... But I have just managed to > work it all out... I have got a very simple script that I need > some one to try (Beta) for me, before I make up a HOWTO > for my method... > > Is there anyone that would like to try this out ? Send it over -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 04:43:24 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:43:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Found the DHCP server... Message-ID: YES, hallelujah, and praise the Lord!! We have found the DHCP server. Thankyou for everybody's help, you kept me going, and have just amazed me at how quick you are to respond to a plea for help. And if you wanna know what *I* was doing wong (because OF COURSE it was my fault, I knew I was missing something simple... besides brain matter) ... sorry I'm just too embarrased to tell. BUT I am connected and have logged into the yummy lovely K12server and am writing this mail on my new thin client... I can't tell you how glad I am that it has finally worked out. I have the biggest smile on my face. :o) ... now the fun begins! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 05:23:20 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:23:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.2 for RHEL, LDAP config wishlist .. In-Reply-To: <20040829195954.GA27928@wizzy.com> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> <1093797009.11987.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040829175409.GA27354@wizzy.com> <1093804996.12326.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040829195954.GA27928@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1093843400.13408.36.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 14:59, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > I am delivering email for a domain (the school) to a dynamic dialup. > > Thus SMTP ( whose ultimate target is the MX - fixed IP) is unsuitable. I think if I had to set something like that up today, I would try to find one or a few stable hubs that could be used as smarthosts by the leaf nodes and MX for them. The trick to making it work would be to bring up a VPN tunnel from the leaf to the hub server when it comes on line and having stable (private OK) addressing for the VPN endpoints and what you route through them. > I choose UUCP, because the caller can request delivery of the mail, > from a dynamic dialup, even. ETRN would work, given tunnels to known addresses. > However, the main reason I choose UUCP is that I can carry the UUCP > spool directories via a UUCP memory stick to somewhere that does not > have, or cannot afford, dialup connectivity. That's a little harder. I usually don't consider carrying something smaller than a laptop... > For folks in the 1st world, it is often hard to imagine what it was > like to not have cheap 24hour connectivity. If you knew UUCP, it > /ruled/ at a time when American connectivity was at the same evolutionary > step as Africa's connectivity now (especially around price). Yes, I used and abused uucp back in the day. I was actually involved in getting AT&T to add the \M, \m escapes to the dialer strings back in the dawn of the smartmodem era (NDA's, beta copies, and all that...). Before that it would only work with specialized dialer hardware on a different port than the modem. > It was developed by people (at the time) who cared about price and > service - in the same environment. I do not feel like re-inventing > the wheel - it worked fine before. Yes, it does do a good job of mail delivery. It just is hard to scale and eventually you'll probably want better access to networks behind the connecting machine. And it is hard to beat being able to do 'rsync -essh -z ...' directly to a target for efficiency. > I do need LDAP auth though. The Shuttleworth Foundation are putting in > the computer labs ( http://slug.org.za/ ) - and leveraging heavily > (of course) off LTSP. I am adding WWW and email to those classrooms. > The hurdle is mostly the teachers. We are sorting out the technology. If the SMEserver project were in a little better shape I'd recommend that for your gateways and local email hubs. That's about as easy as it gets for a local admin to manage users, groups and local web sites. I have several where I've dropped in CIPE as a vpn to a common hub but they have been a little bit of trouble to keep up to date. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From trondrm at online.no Mon Aug 30 07:46:53 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond Ruud Maehlum) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in kdm Message-ID: <29615761.1093852013865.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice11.nsc.no> I have used gdm for a while, but have changed to kdm. How do I set IceWM as default in kdm? I want to keep the others as well. Another ting, when I start icewm from the greeter screen, IceWM starts up along with nautilus. I disabled that with gdm in the sessions folder. How do I accomplish the same in kdm? Regards Trond M?hlum From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Aug 30 08:28:18 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:28:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.2 for RHEL, LDAP config wishlist .. In-Reply-To: <1093843400.13408.36.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1093621150.2468.247.camel@server.ltsp> <20040829150648.GE28556@wizzy.com> <1093797009.11987.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040829175409.GA27354@wizzy.com> <1093804996.12326.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20040829195954.GA27928@wizzy.com> <1093843400.13408.36.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040830082818.GA31358@wizzy.com> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 14:59, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > I choose UUCP, because the caller can request delivery of the mail, > > from a dynamic dialup, even. > > ETRN would work, given tunnels to known addresses. > > > It was developed by people (at the time) who cared about price and > > service - in the same environment. I do not feel like re-inventing > > the wheel - it worked fine before. > > Yes, it does do a good job of mail delivery. It just is hard > to scale and eventually you'll probably want better access to > networks behind the connecting machine. And it is hard to > beat being able to do 'rsync -essh -z ...' directly to a > target for efficiency. Yes, if one had VPN tunnels this would work. But .. I just have UUCP call across TCP/IP, to pick up traffic. I can wrap it in ssh as well. I try to avoid protocols that require realtime connections. I am hoping scaleability can be managed by having the UUCP maps in LDAP. Maybe I can skip UUCP logins if I could pass authentication to the ssh wrapper. Then I would need ssh keys in LDAP .. At this point I am leaning towards a perl script to pull the information out of the directory and write the UUCP control files. > If the SMEserver project were in a little better shape I'd > recommend that for your gateways and local email hubs. > That's about as easy as it gets for a local admin to > manage users, groups and local web sites. I have several > where I've dropped in CIPE as a vpn to a common hub > but they have been a little bit of trouble to keep > up to date. I have my own gateway I put down, available from my website. It handles DHCP, mail, and uses wwwoffle as an offline web cache, and uses UUCP for data transfer. However, SMEserver seems fairly mature - I need the web cache though, and squid does not sit well when offline. It can even use UUCP to carry web content - so a non-connected school passes web scoop requests upstream via UUCP, and after scraping the websites a tarball is passed back via UUCP to be unpacked in the wwwoffle cache directory. I also install a snapshot of wikipedia (.org) - 4Gig - so that the school can have a web-like experience offline. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 30 13:27:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:27:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <1093718086.31482.62.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002a01c48e95$0797b2b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> I have had problems with both machines I have tried so far. One is a brand new Dell that has kernel crashes on boot. I posted my problem to the forum with no answer or attempt to answer. So I have to look at another option as school starts tomorrow and I have no server to bring to this school. Bottom line I don't really care to discuss options or paths at this point, I would just love a link to download the beta that Eric has created and see if it works. So please just send me a link to this Eric. I will try it immediately and let you know if your extra worked may help me or not. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 13:48:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:48:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID In-Reply-To: <000601c48b0e$7ee9efc0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c48b0e$7ee9efc0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1093873680.14948.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 20:46, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > PowerEdge 700 > P4 2.8Ghz w/1MB cache > 2GB DDR 400Mhz RAM > CERC 6-Channel SATA RAID Controller w/64MB Cache > 4 80GB 7200 SATA drives in RAID 5 > On Board Gigabit Intel NIC > Add in 3Com 905b 100MB NIC > CDRW/DVD IDE Drive > Everything seems to detect and load fine, finds the NIC's, HD's, > partitions everything fine and makes it through the entire install. But > upon reboot I get a kernel panic while it tries to load some SCSI stuff, > but the machine doesn't have any SCSI devices or controllers. Any ideas > on what is happening or where to start troubleshooting? The only thing even close that I've used is a 3ware IDE raid controller and it appears to the kernel as a SCSI device even though the drives are IDE. The rest of the box sounds fairly ordinary so I'd guess the problem is with the raid controller or driver. Depending on when it crashes, it may not have the modules needed to access the controller in the initial ramdisk. You load the kernel with bios calls, but when the kernel detects devices it has to be able to connect up the disk driver before it can do much else, so if the driver isn't built into the kernel the module has to be on the ramdisk. Normally the installer figures this out for you. The only times I've had this problem is when swapping a drive or cloning it to a system with a different scsi controller. > One more quick question, when I install it scans the hardware in a > backwards order for me. So the Gig port onboard is setup as eth0 and > configured for the external network, and the 10/100 add in is setup to > serve the clients. So on setup I just set eth0 to 192.168.1.254 and > eth1 as DHCP. My question is does this make things stupid? Will LTSP > know that eth0 should be set up for serving DHCP or will it still try to > use eth1? If so how do I make it use the NIC's in the order I want? > Normally I would just swap the cards into different PCI slots so the are > detected in the right order, but the Gig is onboard so I can't move it. You should be able to change this by swapping the alias names in /etc/modules.conf and rebooting. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 30 14:04:33 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <002a01c48e95$0797b2b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >So please just send me a link to this Eric. I will try it immediately >and let you know if your extra worked may help me or not. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/3.2.0alpha/ -Eric From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 30 14:36:21 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:36:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit Message-ID: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my shiny new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into my existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the LAN. So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being 10/100 would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch and connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it seems to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a few inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even if it's the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any thoughts on the subject. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me." -- Fred Allen From trondrm at online.no Mon Aug 30 14:50:46 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:50:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <200408291340.i7TDeaf6017004@mail45.nsc.no> Message-ID: <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: >> Trond, >> >> the 'who' command relies on entries in the utmp and wtmp files. >> >> It's usually up to the display manager (GDM,XDM,KDM) to add the >> entries to the utmp files, and remove the entries when you log out. >> Over the years various display managers have been setup correctly or >> incorrectly to do that. It varies alot by distribution, version and >> display manager. > >> Take a look at the ltsp.org contrib page, Derek Dresser wrote an >> article about how to set up the session scripts to keep the utmp >> files updated. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org I followed the how-to and changed from GDM to KDM since the how-to applied to KDM. Now I can track users by using the 'last' command. I don't like the output from 'last', it's rather messy and gives a lot more information than I need. Unfortunately, the 'who' command still fails. It still returns only one user when 'last' gives me 16. I have 5 LTSP servers based on K12LTSP 4.0.1 and every one of them behaves like this. So it's not an isolated error on one server. They all use LDAP for login and IceWM for the session. Any suggestions? Regards Trond M?hlum From brockn at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 15:04:29 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:04:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing from gdm to kdm Message-ID: <741dcbb8040830080422d9ff5f@mail.gmail.com> How can I change the clients to make them start kdm instead of gdm? Also does anyone know how I can lock the users to KDE or GNOME and not allow them access TVM or IceWM? Any help is appreciated!! Brock From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 15:29:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:29:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1093879752.15047.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 09:36, Mark Cockrell wrote: > So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being 10/100 > would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch and > connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it seems > to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a few > inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even if it's > the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any thoughts on > the subject. Each client will get along fine with 100M - the problem is that they all talk to the same server so it gets the total of all the client traffic. In a 2-nic setup, all of the clients are branched off the the same switch, so there is a bandwidth increase from using a switch that has one or two gig ports and connecting that to the server. You would get the same for any clients on the same switch but for the rest you would need to build a gig backbone interconnecting any switches that have more than 10 or so clients. It might end up being cheaper to add more servers in the 2-nic configuration - or at least park the server with a gig uplink on the same switch as your biggest concentration of clients. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fhkms at adelphia.net Mon Aug 30 15:37:53 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:37:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] updates Message-ID: <20040830153753.UIKV9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Hi All, My k12ltsp (4.0.1) is working very well after an entire summer of slaving over a computer trying to figure it out. Now, I point my mouse at the red exclamation point on my desktop and it tells me I have 75 updates! I tried to do some a few weeks back; downloaded a critical kernal update. I noticed when the server is rebooted, it has the old and new version of the OS. What is the real deal with updates; which ones do I really need, can I avoid the updates for programs that I'm not even familiar with? Also, if I download a kernal update, am I essentially downloading another OS to my server HD, taking up storage room? Things are running so well that I hate to mess them up. If someone has the time, what is the bottom line with doing updates for Fedora Core 1/k12ltsp 4.0.1? Thanks! From brockn at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 15:39:22 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:39:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing from gdm to kdm In-Reply-To: <200408301503.i7UF3Nn18953@downeast.net> References: <200408301503.i7UF3Nn18953@downeast.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb8040830083971a57311@mail.gmail.com> Ok I got that working. Now everytime I login with this "guest" account a xterm window opens. Not eaxctly what I am looking for!! Its NOT in the .kde/Autostart directoy. Does it have anything todo with saved sessions???? Brock On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:56:11 GMT, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > i change the near bottom line in /etc/inittab from gdm to kdm...chuck > > with kdm you can edit kdmrc (i think) to eliminate choices...why not > icewmm???i love it cause i eliminate xterm and provide buttoons for only > what they are supposed to use.. > > > How can I change the clients to make them start kdm instead of gdm? > > > > Also does anyone know how I can lock the users to KDE or GNOME and not > > allow them access TVM or IceWM? > > > > Any help is appreciated!! > > Brock > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent fromDowneast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > -- [Start Signature] My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence http://trochim.human.cornell.edu/gallery/young/emotion.htm#what%20is%20EI In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 30 15:53:44 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:53:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> References: <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> Message-ID: <1093881223.4683.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 07:50, Trond M?hlum wrote: > I followed the how-to and changed from GDM to KDM since the how-to > applied to KDM. Now I can track users by using the 'last' command. I > don't like the output from 'last', it's rather messy and gives a lot > more information than I need. Try: $ last | grep "still logged in" -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dalen at czexan.net Mon Aug 30 15:58:21 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:58:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] updates In-Reply-To: <20040830153753.UIKV9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040830153753.UIKV9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <41334E9D.4050707@czexan.net> Will Hatch wrote: > Hi All, > > My k12ltsp (4.0.1) is working very well after an entire summer of slaving over a computer trying to figure it out. Now, I point my mouse at the red exclamation point on my desktop and it tells me I have 75 updates! I tried to do some a few weeks back; downloaded a critical kernal update. I noticed when the server is rebooted, it has the old and new version of the OS. What is the real deal with updates; which ones do I really need, can I avoid the updates for programs that I'm not even familiar with? Also, if I download a kernal update, am I essentially downloading another OS to my server HD, taking up storage room? Things are running so well that I hate to mess them up. If someone has the time, what is the bottom line with doing updates for Fedora Core 1/k12ltsp 4.0.1? Thanks! Will, The kernel is only a part of the OS. Think of the OS as a car and the kernel as the engine. When you update the kernel, the old kernel is still installed but the bootloader points to the new kernel (although you may select the old one during boot). This has some advantages. It makes it easy to go back to the old kernel incase the new kernel doesn't work for whatever reason. Also, you can switch back and forth to test something on both kernels. You can manually remove the old kernel with rpm if you like. Thanks, Dale From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Aug 30 16:13:00 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:13:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] changing from gdm to kdm In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8040830080422d9ff5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know how to force them to use IceWM, but here at least is how I set the default desktop... /etc/sysconfig/desktop DESKTOP="KDE" this then makes each user's first session default to KDE. They can change it after that, but at least the default is there. Then there is also a script to change a user back to the default if he/she screws it up beyond help. that is what I do in my school Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Brock Noland Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:04 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] changing from gdm to kdm How can I change the clients to make them start kdm instead of gdm? Also does anyone know how I can lock the users to KDE or GNOME and not allow them access TVM or IceWM? Any help is appreciated!! Brock _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 16:19:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:19:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] updates In-Reply-To: <20040830153753.UIKV9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040830153753.UIKV9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1093882783.15047.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 10:37, Will Hatch wrote: > If someone has the time, what is the bottom line with > doing updates for Fedora Core 1/k12ltsp 4.0.1? Thanks! Generally the updates are there because someone decided that the old version had a problem serious enough to be worth the effort to fix as a backport to the old release instead of just waiting for the next one so you probably do want to apply them. Up2date, yum, or apt-get will only install the updates for the programs you already have installed and since the fix may be to a possible security exploit you should apply them all or wade through the update notices to decide if any are safe to ignore. Most updates completely replace your old version but keep the configuration. The kernel is a special case because there is a small chance that a change will keep some machines from being able to boot, so the updater does not remove the old one. Normally you want to run the latest one, and smp if you have more than one processor. Keeping a few old ones that you can pick from the boot screen doesn't take too much space but if it bothers you or you are running out of space in /boot you can use: rpm -qa |grep kernel to see all the installed versions and rpm -e kernel-verson_number to remove old ones you no longer use. Uname -a will show the running version if you aren't sure which is the default. You do have to reboot after a kernel update to start using it - you don't for most other updates. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 30 16:21:15 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Too Many Open Files Message-ID: <57587.12.32.72.67.1093882875.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> I always hate asking questions of the list when I'm so far behind (395 unread messages.. it's been a rough few weeks) -- but school is about to start, and I'm getting a very scary message... When I am running azureus (a java bittorrent client) -- I am getting errors that there are too many open files. I remember this being an issue a while back, so I searched the archives, and came across the instructions to edit /etc/sysctrl.conf -- BUT my default (4.0.1) installation already has fs.file-max = 65536 at the bottom!!! Then, I got to thinking... perhaps I should check my NFS /home server, which is running WBEL 3.0 -- I checked, and sure enough, there was no mention of fs.file-max in the /etc/sysctl.conf file. I added it, ran sysctl -p, and I'm waiting to see. My question, might that have solved the problem? It's a tough thing to "test" because it's difficult to open 65,000 files at will... ;) Would the file handles on my NFS server cause errors in applications on my LTSP server? Thanks for any input, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 30 16:41:36 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:41:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Too Many Open Files In-Reply-To: <57587.12.32.72.67.1093882875.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <57587.12.32.72.67.1093882875.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <413358C0.70209@paasda.org> can you not tweak your bittorrent client to reduce the number of files it tries to open? Those two windows bittorrent clients you sent me links for had that as an option... --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: >I always hate asking questions of the list when I'm so far behind (395 >unread messages.. it's been a rough few weeks) -- but school is about to >start, and I'm getting a very scary message... > >When I am running azureus (a java bittorrent client) -- I am getting >errors that there are too many open files. I remember this being an issue >a while back, so I searched the archives, and came across the instructions >to edit /etc/sysctrl.conf -- BUT my default (4.0.1) installation already >has fs.file-max = 65536 at the bottom!!! > >Then, I got to thinking... perhaps I should check my NFS /home server, >which is running WBEL 3.0 -- I checked, and sure enough, there was no >mention of fs.file-max in the /etc/sysctl.conf file. I added it, ran >sysctl -p, and I'm waiting to see. > >My question, might that have solved the problem? It's a tough thing to >"test" because it's difficult to open 65,000 files at will... ;) Would >the file handles on my NFS server cause errors in applications on my LTSP >server? > >Thanks for any input, >-Shawn > > > From brockn at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 16:54:30 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:54:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing from gdm to kdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <741dcbb8040830095422bf9c16@mail.gmail.com> thank you very much for you response. I got it working now. The only problem I have left is that a konsole window opens up everytime i login. This is a kisok so its the LAST thing I want! On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:13:00 -0600, Joe Guenther wrote: > I don't know how to force them to use IceWM, but here at least is how I set > the default desktop... > > /etc/sysconfig/desktop > DESKTOP="KDE" > > this then makes each user's first session default to KDE. They can change > it after that, but at least the default is there. Then there is also a > script to change a user back to the default if he/she screws it up beyond > help. > > that is what I do in my school > > Joe Guenther > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Brock Noland > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:04 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] changing from gdm to kdm > > How can I change the clients to make them start kdm instead of gdm? > > Also does anyone know how I can lock the users to KDE or GNOME and not > allow them access TVM or IceWM? > > Any help is appreciated!! > Brock > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- [Start Signature] My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence http://trochim.human.cornell.edu/gallery/young/emotion.htm#what%20is%20EI In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From kjetil at knudsen.gs Mon Aug 30 16:56:03 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:56:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] slow log off Message-ID: <007001c48eb2$3da80180$6400a8c0@mobilknut> I just did a fresh install of k12ltsp 4.1. All my old users hangs when they try to log off. After 2 - 3 minutes they eventually die and log off. New users do not have this problem.... There was a short thread earlier on this matter without any solution.... Ideas? Kjetil Knudsen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 30 16:55:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Too Many Open Files In-Reply-To: <413358C0.70209@paasda.org> References: <57587.12.32.72.67.1093882875.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <413358C0.70209@paasda.org> Message-ID: <60941.12.32.72.67.1093884924.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> I'm not worried about the bittorrent client itself -- it was just a tool that SHOWED me there was a problem. When 70 more users come in tomorrow to use use their thin clients, I'm sure they'll open more files than my azureus client -- even it I *am* download an entire season of MacGyver. ;) -Shawn BTW, so far so good -- no more errors... Huck said: > can you not tweak your bittorrent client to reduce the number of files > it tries to open? > Those two windows bittorrent clients you sent me links for had that as > an option... > > --Huck > > > Shawn Powers wrote: > >>I always hate asking questions of the list when I'm so far behind (395 >>unread messages.. it's been a rough few weeks) -- but school is about to >>start, and I'm getting a very scary message... >> >>When I am running azureus (a java bittorrent client) -- I am getting >>errors that there are too many open files. I remember this being an >> issue >>a while back, so I searched the archives, and came across the >> instructions >>to edit /etc/sysctrl.conf -- BUT my default (4.0.1) installation already >>has fs.file-max = 65536 at the bottom!!! >> >>Then, I got to thinking... perhaps I should check my NFS /home server, >>which is running WBEL 3.0 -- I checked, and sure enough, there was no >>mention of fs.file-max in the /etc/sysctl.conf file. I added it, ran >>sysctl -p, and I'm waiting to see. >> >>My question, might that have solved the problem? It's a tough thing to >>"test" because it's difficult to open 65,000 files at will... ;) Would >>the file handles on my NFS server cause errors in applications on my LTSP >>server? >> >>Thanks for any input, >>-Shawn >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 17:24:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:24:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Too Many Open Files In-Reply-To: <60941.12.32.72.67.1093884924.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <57587.12.32.72.67.1093882875.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <413358C0.70209@paasda.org> <60941.12.32.72.67.1093884924.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1093886664.15693.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 11:55, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm not worried about the bittorrent client itself -- it was just a tool > that SHOWED me there was a problem. When 70 more users come in tomorrow > to use use their thin clients, I'm sure they'll open more files than my > azureus client -- even it I *am* download an entire season of MacGyver. ;) > There is a per-process limit that defaults to 1024 which is probably the one you hit, in addition to the system-wide limit. A root user can raise this with 'ulimit -n ' but in general it is a good thing. 'ulimit -a' will show some other per-process or per-user limits. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 30 17:39:07 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:39:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID In-Reply-To: <1093873680.14948.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <003601c48eb8$4003e420$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > You should be able to change this by swapping the alias names > in /etc/modules.conf and rebooting. Cool. Just to be sure I understand this correctly let me verify. I would install K12LTSP with the defaults (which will configure the cards backwards). Then when the machine is completely loaded and finished I would boot up and make the /etc/modules.conf swap, reboot and be running fine. Let me know if this is inaccurate, otherwise I will assume it correct and give it a try. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 30 16:55:24 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Too Many Open Files In-Reply-To: <413358C0.70209@paasda.org> References: <57587.12.32.72.67.1093882875.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <413358C0.70209@paasda.org> Message-ID: <60941.12.32.72.67.1093884924.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> I'm not worried about the bittorrent client itself -- it was just a tool that SHOWED me there was a problem. When 70 more users come in tomorrow to use use their thin clients, I'm sure they'll open more files than my azureus client -- even it I *am* download an entire season of MacGyver. ;) -Shawn BTW, so far so good -- no more errors... Huck said: > can you not tweak your bittorrent client to reduce the number of files > it tries to open? > Those two windows bittorrent clients you sent me links for had that as > an option... > > --Huck > > > Shawn Powers wrote: > >>I always hate asking questions of the list when I'm so far behind (395 >>unread messages.. it's been a rough few weeks) -- but school is about to >>start, and I'm getting a very scary message... >> >>When I am running azureus (a java bittorrent client) -- I am getting >>errors that there are too many open files. I remember this being an >> issue >>a while back, so I searched the archives, and came across the >> instructions >>to edit /etc/sysctrl.conf -- BUT my default (4.0.1) installation already >>has fs.file-max = 65536 at the bottom!!! >> >>Then, I got to thinking... perhaps I should check my NFS /home server, >>which is running WBEL 3.0 -- I checked, and sure enough, there was no >>mention of fs.file-max in the /etc/sysctl.conf file. I added it, ran >>sysctl -p, and I'm waiting to see. >> >>My question, might that have solved the problem? It's a tough thing to >>"test" because it's difficult to open 65,000 files at will... ;) Would >>the file handles on my NFS server cause errors in applications on my LTSP >>server? >> >>Thanks for any input, >>-Shawn >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 30 17:45:42 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:45:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID In-Reply-To: <1093873680.14948.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <003701c48eb9$2b90a450$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > The only thing even close that I've used is a 3ware IDE raid > controller and it appears to the kernel as a SCSI device even > though the drives are IDE. The rest of the box sounds fairly > ordinary so I'd guess the problem is with the raid controller > or driver. Depending on when it crashes, it may not have the > modules needed to access the controller in the initial > ramdisk. You load the kernel with bios calls, but when the > kernel detects devices it has to be able to connect up the > disk driver before it can do much else, so if the driver > isn't built into the kernel the module has to be on the > ramdisk. This sounds like what is happening to me. I assumed that for some reason the kernel saw the SATA as a SCSI controller and the reason for the crash is the driver or something isn't right and since it can't access the data correctly the kernel panics and I am done. Any ideas on how to fix this or should I look at purchasing a new controller that is known to work? If a new controller is the only way does anyone know of a SATA controller known to work? At this point I would rather eat a few hundred bucks than delay the server too long. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Aug 31 13:22:23 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:22:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba help Message-ID: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I want to set up my K12LTSP server as the file server for our small school. I was planning to link the My documents folders from each desktop computer on the network to the homes partition of the server. This way we can just backup the homes partition and all our data is backed up in one go. So that is my goal; here is where I need help. 1. I can't access SWAT through the network. From the server machine, if I connect using localhost:901 it connects, but if I use the "ipaddress of the server":901 it says the "document contains no data" Using Opera on another machine it asks to download a zero size file called status. I have another samba server running on Vector Linux. I can connect to this remotely without problems it is only the LTSP server that has problems. The firewall is turned off. I can ssh and run remote X sessions on LTSP. It's just SWAT that doesn't connect at present. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 18:30:52 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:30:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID In-Reply-To: <003701c48eb9$2b90a450$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003701c48eb9$2b90a450$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1093890651.15864.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 12:45, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You load the kernel with bios calls, but when the > > kernel detects devices it has to be able to connect up the > > disk driver before it can do much else, so if the driver > > isn't built into the kernel the module has to be on the > > ramdisk. > > This sounds like what is happening to me. I assumed that for some > reason the kernel saw the SATA as a SCSI controller and the reason for > the crash is the driver or something isn't right and since it can't > access the data correctly the kernel panics and I am done. > > Any ideas on how to fix this or should I look at purchasing a new > controller that is known to work? If you had a working machine to verify the module that needs to be present, you might be able to fix it up by booting the install CD with 'linux rescue', doing a chroot to /mnt/sysinstall where your drives are mounted, fixing up the modules.conf file, then doing a mkinitrd with your kernel version numbers in the right places on the command line. You might be wasting your time if the driver isn't actually working, though. > If a new controller is the only way > does anyone know of a SATA controller known to work? The 3ware IDE version works great and I'd expect the driver side of the SATA version to be the same but haven't used it myself. > At this point I > would rather eat a few hundred bucks than delay the server too long. An intermediate fix might be to install the base system on a different controller (single drives or mirrored IDE or SCSI would work), then mount /var and /home partitions from your raid controller if the only problem is booting from it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 18:36:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:36:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID In-Reply-To: <003601c48eb8$4003e420$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003601c48eb8$4003e420$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1093890988.15864.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 12:39, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You should be able to change this by swapping the alias names > > in /etc/modules.conf and rebooting. > > Cool. Just to be sure I understand this correctly let me verify. I > would install K12LTSP with the defaults (which will configure the cards > backwards). Then when the machine is completely loaded and finished I > would boot up and make the /etc/modules.conf swap, reboot and be running > fine. Let me know if this is inaccurate, otherwise I will assume it > correct and give it a try. That should be right for a 2.4 kernel. Kernel 2.6 now has an /etc/modprobe.conf file but it should work the same way. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From brockn at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 18:49:38 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:49:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] koncole '-session' '02394823489jf032948942jk..' This starts on login??? Message-ID: <741dcbb804083011495098ecf8@mail.gmail.com> I have an account that has the follwoing execute on login? koncole '-session' '02394823489jf032948942jk..' Where is this coming from and how do I remove it? Brock From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 30 18:59:19 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:59:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41337907.7060609@cmosnetworks.com> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server > a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. > Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my > shiny new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into > my existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the > LAN. So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being > 10/100 would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch > and connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it > seems to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a > few inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even > if it's the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any > thoughts on the subject. > You betcha it'll help, and the boxes on the same switch as the gigabit-enabled K12LTSP server will notice the benefit the most. I also use a single-NIC install, but my NIC is Gig-E, so my thin clients don't really have any network bandwidth issues. See, X11 can suck up a lot of traffic. If you are connecting this new gigabit switch to the rest of the LAN via a 10/100 connection (say, a crossover cable), then the folks "downstream" won't see as much benefit. They will probably see a little bit because there's just more server bandwidth to share. The way to do it, so that the entire school benefits, is to put Gig-E links between all of your switches. This is what we do in my district, and so it doesn't matter if you're physically next to the server or way across the school in a distant wiring closet. The response time is the same. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Aug 30 19:02:05 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:02:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba help In-Reply-To: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <159FD8DA-FAB7-11D8-8398-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 SWAT my be setup to only listen for connections on localhost. I think that is the default. On Aug 31, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Krsnendu wrote: > I want to set up my? K12LTSP server as the file server for our small > school. > > I was planning to link the My documents folders from each desktop > computer on the network to the homes partition of the server. > > This way we can just backup the homes partition and all our data is > backed up in one go. > > ? > > So that is my goal; here is where I need help. > > ? > > ? > > 1. I can?t access SWAT through the network. >From the server machine, > if I connect using localhost:901 it connects, but if I use the > ?ipaddress of the server?:901 it says the ?document contains no data? > > Using Opera on another machine it asks to download a zero size file > called status. > > I have another samba server running on Vector Linux. I can connect to > this remotely without problems it is only the LTSP server that has > problems. > > The firewall is turned off. I can ssh and run remote X sessions on > LTSP. It?s just SWAT that doesn?t connect at present. > > ? > > ? > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEzea0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSAJwCfRXEU5nUTVJ5BCy3bbvKppREv TU4An2MpM2+faWGtNrqvZr6v9iR8DCTt =LP3+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dalen at czexan.net Mon Aug 30 18:45:54 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:45:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba help In-Reply-To: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <413375E2.30705@czexan.net> Krsnendu wrote: > 1. I can't access SWAT through the network. From the server machine, if > I connect using localhost:901 it connects, but if I use the "ipaddress > of the server":901 it says the "document contains no data" Krsnendu, swat only runs from localhost by default (see swat config below). You can either remove the only_from line (not secure as password is transmitted as plaintext). Or you can setup putty to port forward port 901. Then putty to your server securely and open a browser to http://localhost:901 to access swat. [root at viewlib xinetd.d]# cat /etc/xinetd.d/swat # default: off # description: SWAT is the Samba Web Admin Tool. Use swat \ # to configure your Samba server. To use SWAT, \ # connect to port 901 with your favorite web browser. service swat { disable = no port = 901 socket_type = stream wait = no only_from = 127.0.0.1 user = root server = /usr/sbin/swat log_on_failure += USERID } [root at viewlib xinetd.d]# From steve at hargadon.com Mon Aug 30 19:14:21 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:14:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome problem? In-Reply-To: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <200408301916.i7UJGXS0032039@mx1.redhat.com> I'm running k12ltsp 4.0.1 with Gnome as the default and I did something which caused all of the standard icons on my screen to turn into generic "white sheet" icons, most of which still work except the the trash icon--when double-clicked, gives an error, saying that "the action associated with 'trash' is invalid." When I try to start the control center instead of going to the control center, it brings up the "preferences" directory in Nautilus... The printer icon in the panel is a different printer icon than before as well, as well as is a "terminal" icon I have placed there. I've spent a couple of hours trying to understand the difference between "windows managers" and "desktops," and since I tried the desktop switcher several times and under Gnome I still have this same problem. I'm thinking I might have somehow switched the windows manager? I've searched the list postings, but am probably using the wrong key words to find out if this has come up for anyone else. The only change to the system that preceded this problem were 1) I did an apt-get install for GnuCash, and 2) created a launch icon for it. Wth great appreciation for anyone who knows what I have done, Steve Steve Hargadon Hargadon Computer, Inc. 916-652-8600, ext. 711 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhkms at adelphia.net Mon Aug 30 19:35:05 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:35:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] further update questions Message-ID: <20040830193504.ZXGE9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I decided to just download the whole update selection that up2date said I needed (75 total). On several of the updates I received this message: The package up2date-4.1.21-3 does not have a valid GPG signature. It has been tampered with or corrupted. Continue? I just clicked yes to continue. Also, after the packages were finished downloading I moved on to the installation screen. Its been quite a while now and the progress bar hasn't even started. The hourglass from my mouse is just hanging. What might be happening here? Thanks. From hendersonh at unit5.org Mon Aug 30 19:38:18 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:38:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] System Name Change? Message-ID: Just a quick one. I have to change an LTSP server system name I am kind of new to it from this angle. I know how to do this through the Gui of Gnome, but isn't there a command line option I can issue to set the Workstation name to be XXXXX instead of YYYYY Thanks Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hendersonh at unit5.org Mon Aug 30 19:45:51 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:45:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] System Name Change? Message-ID: Nevermind. I asked for help before I read the man pages. Sorry to have wasted space. Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> hendersonh at unit5.org 8/30/2004 2:38:18 PM >>> Just a quick one. I have to change an LTSP server system name I am kind of new to it from this angle. I know how to do this through the Gui of Gnome, but isn't there a command line option I can issue to set the Workstation name to be XXXXX instead of YYYYY Thanks Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dalen at czexan.net Mon Aug 30 20:05:03 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:05:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] further update questions In-Reply-To: <20040830193504.ZXGE9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040830193504.ZXGE9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4133886F.7080407@czexan.net> Will Hatch wrote: > I decided to just download the whole update selection that up2date said I needed (75 total). On several of the updates I received this message: > > The package up2date-4.1.21-3 does not have a valid GPG signature. > It has been tampered with or corrupted. Continue? > > I just clicked yes to continue. Also, after the packages were finished downloading I moved on to the installation screen. Its been quite a while now and the progress bar hasn't even started. The hourglass from my mouse is just hanging. What might be happening here? Thanks. Will, The download was probably corrupted. I would retry the download. Dale From tscholten8 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 20:07:39 2004 From: tscholten8 at hotmail.com (Tim Scholten) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:07:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] print based on location Message-ID: thanks for the help, lpoptions works to set the printer at the command line but not in the script. This is probably a scripting issue. I am a newbie, so any help is appreciated this is the script i am trying to use: workstation='who -m|cut -d\( -f2|cut -d\) -f1' case $workstation in ws240.ltsp) 'lpoptions -d ws240';; ws238.ltsp) 'lpoptions -d ws240';; ws237.ltsp) 'lpoptions -d ws240';; ws236.ltsp) 'lpoptions -d ws240';; esac i know that the 'who -m|cut -d\( -f2|cut -d\) -f1' will give "ws240.ltsp:0.0" thanks, Tim >Tim Scholten wrote: >> hi >> I am trying to make it so that when a user prints, it will print to >>the printer in the same room. >>I looked in the archives an found this >>thread http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-October/msg00139.html , >>exactly what i am trying to accomplish here. >> >> I tried using his script in /etc/profile.d/ with the changes for this >>location, but the default printer is still the original default. >> >>Is there else who has had a similar situation? If so what was your >>solution? >> >>thanks for any help, >>Tim >> >Ok, the answer is - use 'lpoption -dprintername' from within the script. >It updates ~/.lpoptions with the new default, overriding the cups default >printer for that user. >Wouldn't hurt to do that in addition to setting PRINTER env variable. > >See 'man lpoptions' _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 20:08:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:08:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] further update questions In-Reply-To: <20040830193504.ZXGE9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040830193504.ZXGE9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1093896481.16165.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 14:35, Will Hatch wrote: > Also, after the packages were finished downloading I moved on > to the installation screen. Its been quite a while now and > the progress bar hasn't even started. The hourglass from > my mouse is just hanging. What might be happening here? Thanks. It has to calculate if you can satisfy all of the dependencies mentioned in the RPM packages and what order to use for the installation so they come out right. That can take quite a while. Various versions of RPM also had bugs that could cause it to hang, but I thought they were all fixed by the fedora based releases. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 30 20:12:25 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:12:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID In-Reply-To: <1093890651.15864.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <005201c48ecd$aacb8140$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > An intermediate fix might be to install the base system on > a different controller (single drives or mirrored IDE or > SCSI would work), then mount /var and /home partitions from > your raid controller if the only problem is booting from it. Thanks Les. This idea may be perfect. If your ever in town remind me to buy you dinner :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Aug 30 20:15:04 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:15:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] further update questions In-Reply-To: <20040830200800.72AC27304D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040830131144.01c41410@pop.easystreet.com> For what it's worth, I've had much better luck opening a console window and typing "yum update" than I ever did by clicking on the little red exclamation point and trying to follow all the next buttons. For some reason the CLI interface is much more satisfying and informative than the GUI for this app. I'm curious though, why does this work so much better? Is YUM a completely different process? Or is the exclamation point poorly implemented? Am I missing any updates by using YUM? It seems to make the exclamation point go away. ck At 01:08 PM 8/30/2004, you wrote: >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:35:05 -0400 >From: Will Hatch >Subject: [K12OSN] further update questions >To: >Message-ID: > <20040830193504.ZXGE9204.mta10.adelphia.net at mail.adelphia.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >I decided to just download the whole update selection that up2date said I >needed (75 total). On several of the updates I received this message: > >The package up2date-4.1.21-3 does not have a valid GPG signature. >It has been tampered with or corrupted. Continue? > >I just clicked yes to continue. Also, after the packages were finished >downloading I moved on to the installation screen. Its been quite a while >now and the progress bar hasn't even started. The hourglass from my mouse >is just hanging. What might be happening here? Thanks. From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Aug 30 21:02:56 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:02:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1093899776.25783.89.camel@penguin> If you had a gig switch, it would allow the switch to communicate at a gig and that would allow you to really use the 100Mb on the terminals rather than splitting 100Mb for all it would be for each. Does that make sense at all? In other words, if you have a gig switch it would help. How much would depend on your net infrastructure. JSR/ On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 10:36, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server > a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. > Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my shiny > new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into my > existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the LAN. > So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being 10/100 > would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch and > connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it seems > to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a few > inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even if it's > the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any thoughts on > the subject. -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 30 21:14:25 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:14:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of 3.2/SATA RAID problem Message-ID: <005301c48ed6$53e923b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Eric, Just an update that the Alpha of WBEL with LTSP did boot the machine with SATA RAID that gave me kernel panics with 4.1.0. Just a little assurance that this is worth the efforts. I have been unable to do any other testing but am happy to see the machine boots. Next I will try Les' idea of the separate IDE and see if it works, if so I will get this machine rocking and out the door. If not, I will await the next few updates on this project and start testing myself. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon Aug 30 21:35:49 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:35:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c48ed9$5126a0f0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Mark.... One of my HOWTOz might help you.... You could just put a 2nd NIC in the server & 'Bond' the two... This would allow your server to communicate @ 200Mb/s to the switch & also allow the clients that bit extra bandwidth to talk to the server, if you see the difference you could then look @ using more NICz in the server or bying a GIG NIC (for the server) & a GIG Switch.... The HOWTO you might want to look @ on my site is @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/bonding.htm it shows you How To 'Bond' your extra Network Card.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 30 21:52:57 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring system over time... Message-ID: <53939.12.32.72.67.1093902777.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Can someone point me in the right direction -- I want to see how my server is performing over a day. ie, disk i/o (thrashing), CPU usage, network load, etc -- but not just for a given moment, but rather a graph or chart for a day. For example, I want to see how well it is doing handling virus scan, spam scan, and web page serving during a given workday. Thanks much, I'm sure it's possible -- I just honestly dont' know how! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 30 22:23:22 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:23:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring system over time... In-Reply-To: <53939.12.32.72.67.1093902777.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <53939.12.32.72.67.1093902777.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1093904601.16608.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 16:52, Shawn Powers wrote: > Can someone point me in the right direction -- I want to see how my server > is performing over a day. ie, disk i/o (thrashing), CPU usage, network > load, etc -- but not just for a given moment, but rather a graph or chart > for a day. There are quite a few different front-ends for rrdtool that do the grunge work of setting up data collection and making graphs for you. I've used this one and like it: http://www.raxnet.net/products/cacti/ It can monitor the local linux box or anything you can access via snmp (router/switch port bandwidth use, etc.). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Aug 30 22:27:10 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:27:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring system over time... In-Reply-To: <53939.12.32.72.67.1093902777.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <53939.12.32.72.67.1093902777.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1093904829.4683.18.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 14:52, Shawn Powers wrote: > Can someone point me in the right direction -- I want to see how my server > is performing over a day. ie, disk i/o (thrashing), CPU usage, network > load, etc -- but not just for a given moment, but rather a graph or chart > for a day. If you have sysstat installed, you could use "sar". "man sar" to see all of the options. "sar", "sar -r" , and "sar -b" are some I use regularly. Doh, just noticing that "sar -b" doesn't work on 2.6 kernels. Hmm. Alternatively, something like Cacti can make pretty graphs for the web via SNMP. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Tue Aug 31 00:45:02 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:45:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Monitoring system over time... In-Reply-To: <53939.12.32.72.67.1093902777.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <53939.12.32.72.67.1093902777.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4133CA0E.7000508@chartermi.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > Can someone point me in the right direction -- I want to see how my server > is performing over a day. ie, disk i/o (thrashing), CPU usage, network > load, etc -- but not just for a given moment, but rather a graph or chart > for a day. I recommend webminstats. It's a Webmin module and it's easy to use and gives a good look at cpu, memory, hd, samba, mysql, file system usage, etc.. http://webminstats.sourceforge.net -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.net phone: 906-370-6202 From adfour at mtaonline.net Tue Aug 31 01:09:57 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:09:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4133CFE5.5080707@mtaonline.net> Lacking a password to your server, How do I get a hold of these isos? -AF Eric Harrison wrote: >On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>So please just send me a link to this Eric. I will try it immediately >>and let you know if your extra worked may help me or not. >> >> > > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/3.2.0alpha/ > > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Aug 31 01:15:08 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:15:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] print based on location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4133D11C.7030506@gwi.net> Tim Scholten wrote: > thanks for the help, lpoptions works to set the printer at the command > line but not in the script. This is probably a scripting issue. I am a > newbie, so any help is appreciated > > this is the script i am trying to use: > > workstation='who -m|cut -d\( -f2|cut -d\) -f1' > case $workstation in > ws240.ltsp) > 'lpoptions -d ws240';; > ws238.ltsp) > 'lpoptions -d ws240';; > ws237.ltsp) > 'lpoptions -d ws240';; > ws236.ltsp) > 'lpoptions -d ws240';; > esac > > i know that the 'who -m|cut -d\( -f2|cut -d\) -f1' will give > "ws240.ltsp:0.0" > > thanks, > > Tim > Then you need to change that line to something like this: workstation='who -m|cut -d\( -f2|cut -d\: -f1' So it will give something of the form "ws240.ltsp" and match one of the cases following. Currently the trailing ":0.0" is preventing matching any case. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 31 02:01:19 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:01:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *EARLY* Alpha of K12LTSP 3.2 In-Reply-To: <4133CFE5.5080707@mtaonline.net> References: <4133CFE5.5080707@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <4133DBEF.4070100@cmosnetworks.com> It's anonymous FTP. Just use the userID "anonymous", and simply enter an email address as the password. --TP Andrew wrote: > Lacking a password to your server, How do I get a hold of these isos? > -AF > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >> >> >>> So please just send me a link to this Eric. I will try it immediately >>> and let you know if your extra worked may help me or not. >>> >> >> >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/3.2.0alpha/ >> >> >> -Eric >> From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Aug 31 02:46:31 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:46:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, August 30, 2004 at 10:36 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello all, > I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server >a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. >Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my shiny >new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into my >existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the LAN. >So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being 10/100 >would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch and >connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it seems >to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a few >inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even if it's >the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any thoughts on >the subject. Liken it to this....if you have 25 kids in a room that need to go out to the hall and into 25 different classrooms...through a standard door...they'll do so, but they can only get out so fast. Now take the same scenario yet let them out through a garage door. Now the bottleneck shifts from the original classroom down to the other 25 rooms. In terms of servers....if you come out gigabit and go into a switch at gigabit...now the bottleneck has shifted down to the terminal...and the difference is huge! For instance...prior to gigabit...if 5 kids tried playing tux type....by the 6th kid...it was crawling almost ot the point of unplayable. Now with the exact same server (all I did was put in an SR24G2...24 ports of 10/100 and 2 ports of 10/100/1000 for uplink) and holy cow! The entire lab can play with no noticeable slowdown. OpenOffice pops right up..and so forth. The SR24G2 from Amer.com (don't go by the prices on the web page....email Michelle mboers at amer.com) it's only $179. Good price for what you get. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Aug 31 02:46:31 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:46:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, August 30, 2004 at 10:36 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello all, > I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server >a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. >Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my shiny >new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into my >existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the LAN. >So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being 10/100 >would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch and >connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it seems >to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a few >inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even if it's >the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any thoughts on >the subject. Liken it to this....if you have 25 kids in a room that need to go out to the hall and into 25 different classrooms...through a standard door...they'll do so, but they can only get out so fast. Now take the same scenario yet let them out through a garage door. Now the bottleneck shifts from the original classroom down to the other 25 rooms. In terms of servers....if you come out gigabit and go into a switch at gigabit...now the bottleneck has shifted down to the terminal...and the difference is huge! For instance...prior to gigabit...if 5 kids tried playing tux type....by the 6th kid...it was crawling almost ot the point of unplayable. Now with the exact same server (all I did was put in an SR24G2...24 ports of 10/100 and 2 ports of 10/100/1000 for uplink) and holy cow! The entire lab can play with no noticeable slowdown. OpenOffice pops right up..and so forth. The SR24G2 from Amer.com (don't go by the prices on the web page....email Michelle mboers at amer.com) it's only $179. Good price for what you get. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From aaa at pacifier.com Tue Aug 31 02:46:45 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:46:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach Message-ID: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. Installed it between server and terminals. Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! Would not even get DHCP Tried one terminal. Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. Is that too far? Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old 100 Mbit) Is my switch bad? Anyone??? Thanks, Duane Wilson From brockn at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 02:59:09 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:59:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <741dcbb804083019593d5a1acf@mail.gmail.com> So it does not work using the same cable and everything. In otherwords JUST the switch is different? If so the cables should be fine and then it has to be either the length or switch. I have a Gbit switch that works with about 200ft cable but 270 is a good 33% more. My 2 cents anyway... Brock On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:46:45 -0700, Duane Wilson wrote: > I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. > > Installed it between server and terminals. > > Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! > Would not even get DHCP > > Tried one terminal. > Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' > > There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. > > Is that too far? > Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old 100 > Mbit) > Is my switch bad? > > Anyone??? > > Thanks, > Duane Wilson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- [Start Signature] My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Aug 31 04:34:38 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:04:38 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <1093881223.4683.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> <1093881223.4683.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1093926873.13442.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 21:23, Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 07:50, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Try: > > $ last | grep "still logged in" $last | grep "still logged in" | cut -f 1 -d " " | uniq | wc -l Is still better but the original question still remains why w wont report?? -- Sudev Barar From saratrawat at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 04:40:08 2004 From: saratrawat at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?sarat=20rawat?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:40:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 134 In-Reply-To: <20040830190004.DEE8A72F6E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040831044008.40444.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> HI! All I am experiencing problems with my RedHat 9. I have been using Redhat for a long time already and i installed the version 9 some time ago - without problems. last two week some command are not working anymore. "halt" is one of them . I am not able to shutdown RedHat anymore, If i try to reboot the system, i have similiar problems. In this case, however, the system does try to reboot, but at the end i get the message " INIT:no more processes left in this runlevel " i have to turn off the computer. other error messages by rebooting : "/etc/rc6.d /S01reboot: line 204 :/sbin/reboot: succes. "/etc/rc6.d /S01halt: line 204 :/sbin/halt: succees. Thanx Sarat k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Kernel Panic with SATA RAID (Jim Kronebusch) 2. Re: Too Many Open Files (Shawn Powers) 3. RE: Kernel Panic with SATA RAID (Jim Kronebusch) 4. Samba help (Krsnendu) 5. RE: Kernel Panic with SATA RAID (Les Mikesell) 6. RE: Kernel Panic with SATA RAID (Les Mikesell) 7. koncole '-session' '02394823489jf032948942jk..' This starts on login??? (Brock Noland) 8. Re: A question about gigabit (Terrell Prud?, Jr.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:39:07 -0500 From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Message-ID: <003601c48eb8$4003e420$fb99060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > You should be able to change this by swapping the alias names > in /etc/modules.conf and rebooting. Cool. Just to be sure I understand this correctly let me verify. I would install K12LTSP with the defaults (which will configure the cards backwards). Then when the machine is completely loaded and finished I would boot up and make the /etc/modules.conf swap, reboot and be running fine. Let me know if this is inaccurate, otherwise I will assume it correct and give it a try. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shawn Powers" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Too Many Open Files To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <60941.12.32.72.67.1093884924.squirrel at www.inlandlakes.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I'm not worried about the bittorrent client itself -- it was just a tool that SHOWED me there was a problem. When 70 more users come in tomorrow to use use their thin clients, I'm sure they'll open more files than my azureus client -- even it I *am* download an entire season of MacGyver. ;) -Shawn BTW, so far so good -- no more errors... Huck said: > can you not tweak your bittorrent client to reduce the number of files > it tries to open? > Those two windows bittorrent clients you sent me links for had that as > an option... > > --Huck > > > Shawn Powers wrote: > >>I always hate asking questions of the list when I'm so far behind (395 >>unread messages.. it's been a rough few weeks) -- but school is about to >>start, and I'm getting a very scary message... >> >>When I am running azureus (a java bittorrent client) -- I am getting >>errors that there are too many open files. I remember this being an >> issue >>a while back, so I searched the archives, and came across the >> instructions >>to edit /etc/sysctrl.conf -- BUT my default (4.0.1) installation already >>has fs.file-max = 65536 at the bottom!!! >> >>Then, I got to thinking... perhaps I should check my NFS /home server, >>which is running WBEL 3.0 -- I checked, and sure enough, there was no >>mention of fs.file-max in the /etc/sysctl.conf file. I added it, ran >>sysctl -p, and I'm waiting to see. >> >>My question, might that have solved the problem? It's a tough thing to >>"test" because it's difficult to open 65,000 files at will... ;) Would >>the file handles on my NFS server cause errors in applications on my LTSP >>server? >> >>Thanks for any input, >>-Shawn >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:45:42 -0500 From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Message-ID: <003701c48eb9$2b90a450$fb99060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > The only thing even close that I've used is a 3ware IDE raid > controller and it appears to the kernel as a SCSI device even > though the drives are IDE. The rest of the box sounds fairly > ordinary so I'd guess the problem is with the raid controller > or driver. Depending on when it crashes, it may not have the > modules needed to access the controller in the initial > ramdisk. You load the kernel with bios calls, but when the > kernel detects devices it has to be able to connect up the > disk driver before it can do much else, so if the driver > isn't built into the kernel the module has to be on the > ramdisk. This sounds like what is happening to me. I assumed that for some reason the kernel saw the SATA as a SCSI controller and the reason for the crash is the driver or something isn't right and since it can't access the data correctly the kernel panics and I am done. Any ideas on how to fix this or should I look at purchasing a new controller that is known to work? If a new controller is the only way does anyone know of a SATA controller known to work? At this point I would rather eat a few hundred bucks than delay the server too long. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:22:23 -0700 From: "Krsnendu" Subject: [K12OSN] Samba help To: Message-ID: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0 at harekrishna.school.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I want to set up my K12LTSP server as the file server for our small school. I was planning to link the My documents folders from each desktop computer on the network to the homes partition of the server. This way we can just backup the homes partition and all our data is backed up in one go. So that is my goal; here is where I need help. 1. I can't access SWAT through the network. From the server machine, if I connect using localhost:901 it connects, but if I use the "ipaddress of the server":901 it says the "document contains no data" Using Opera on another machine it asks to download a zero size file called status. I have another samba server running on Vector Linux. I can connect to this remotely without problems it is only the LTSP server that has problems. The firewall is turned off. I can ssh and run remote X sessions on LTSP. It's just SWAT that doesn't connect at present. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040831/c1556626/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:30:52 -0500 From: Les Mikesell Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <1093890651.15864.15.camel at les-home.futuresource.com> Content-Type: text/plain On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 12:45, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You load the kernel with bios calls, but when the > > kernel detects devices it has to be able to connect up the > > disk driver before it can do much else, so if the driver > > isn't built into the kernel the module has to be on the > > ramdisk. > > This sounds like what is happening to me. I assumed that for some > reason the kernel saw the SATA as a SCSI controller and the reason for > the crash is the driver or something isn't right and since it can't > access the data correctly the kernel panics and I am done. > > Any ideas on how to fix this or should I look at purchasing a new > controller that is known to work? If you had a working machine to verify the module that needs to be present, you might be able to fix it up by booting the install CD with 'linux rescue', doing a chroot to /mnt/sysinstall where your drives are mounted, fixing up the modules.conf file, then doing a mkinitrd with your kernel version numbers in the right places on the command line. You might be wasting your time if the driver isn't actually working, though. > If a new controller is the only way > does anyone know of a SATA controller known to work? The 3ware IDE version works great and I'd expect the driver side of the SATA version to be the same but haven't used it myself. > At this point I > would rather eat a few hundred bucks than delay the server too long. An intermediate fix might be to install the base system on a different controller (single drives or mirrored IDE or SCSI would work), then mount /var and /home partitions from your raid controller if the only problem is booting from it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:36:28 -0500 From: Les Mikesell Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <1093890988.15864.21.camel at les-home.futuresource.com> Content-Type: text/plain On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 12:39, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You should be able to change this by swapping the alias names > > in /etc/modules.conf and rebooting. > > Cool. Just to be sure I understand this correctly let me verify. I > would install K12LTSP with the defaults (which will configure the cards > backwards). Then when the machine is completely loaded and finished I > would boot up and make the /etc/modules.conf swap, reboot and be running > fine. Let me know if this is inaccurate, otherwise I will assume it > correct and give it a try. That should be right for a 2.4 kernel. Kernel 2.6 now has an /etc/modprobe.conf file but it should work the same way. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:49:38 -0500 From: Brock Noland Subject: [K12OSN] koncole '-session' '02394823489jf032948942jk..' This starts on login??? To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <741dcbb804083011495098ecf8 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have an account that has the follwoing execute on login? koncole '-session' '02394823489jf032948942jk..' Where is this coming from and how do I remove it? Brock ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:59:19 -0400 From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <41337907.7060609 at cmosnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server > a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. > Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my > shiny new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into > my existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the > LAN. So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being > 10/100 would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch > and connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it > seems to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a > few inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even > if it's the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any > thoughts on the subject. > You betcha it'll help, and the boxes on the same switch as the gigabit-enabled K12LTSP server will notice the benefit the most. I also use a single-NIC install, but my NIC is Gig-E, so my thin clients don't really have any network bandwidth issues. See, X11 can suck up a lot of traffic. If you are connecting this new gigabit switch to the rest of the LAN via a 10/100 connection (say, a crossover cable), then the folks "downstream" won't see as much benefit. They will probably see a little bit because there's just more server bandwidth to share. The way to do it, so that the entire school benefits, is to put Gig-E links between all of your switches. This is what we do in my district, and so it doesn't matter if you're physically next to the server or way across the school in a distant wiring closet. The response time is the same. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 134 ************************************** --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd also like to try the script you mention below. Thanks, Debbie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Gavin Spurgeon" Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." To: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Desktop Layout per Group ? -:SOLVED:- Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:59:09 +0100 Hi All... Just a quick Update... I needed some way to make Icons appear on the Desktop for users in a certain group... & asked for any help on this... But I have just managed to work it all out... I have got a very simple script that I need some one to try (Beta) for me, before I make up a HOWTO for my method... Is there anyone that would like to try this out ? I no this is a feature that I am going to love using on my K12LTSP setup, There must be other people looking for this type of ability... If all goes well with @ least one other tester I will make up a HOWTO & put it up on my site @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From saratrawat at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 06:25:58 2004 From: saratrawat at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?sarat=20rawat?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:25:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: [K12OSN] problem Message-ID: <20040831062558.57823.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com> HI! I am experiencing problems with my RedHat 9. I have been using Redhat for a long time already and i installed the version 9 some time ago - without problems. last two week some command are not working anymore. "halt" is one of them . I am not able to shutdown RedHat anymore, If i try to reboot the system, i have similiar problems. In this case, however, the system does try to reboot, but at the end i get the message " INIT:no more processes left in this runlevel " i have to turn off the computer. other error messages by rebooting : "/etc/rc6.d /S01reboot: line 204 :/sbin/reboot: succeed. Thanx Rawat --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Aug 31 11:37:25 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:37:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <741dcbb804083019593d5a1acf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> <741dcbb804083019593d5a1acf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21AE950A-FB42-11D8-A3CC-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think, and someone correct me if im wrong, that Gbit over cat 5 uses all the wires instead of just 4. So make sure they are all crimped properly. On Aug 30, 2004, at 9:59 PM, Brock Noland wrote: > So it does not work using the same cable and everything. In otherwords > JUST the switch is different? If so the cables should be fine and then > it has to be either the length or switch. I have a Gbit switch that > works with about 200ft cable but 270 is a good 33% more. > > My 2 cents anyway... > Brock > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:46:45 -0700, Duane Wilson > wrote: >> I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. >> >> Installed it between server and terminals. >> >> Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! >> Would not even get DHCP >> >> Tried one terminal. >> Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' >> >> There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. >> >> Is that too far? >> Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old >> 100 >> Mbit) >> Is my switch bad? >> >> Anyone??? >> >> Thanks, >> Duane Wilson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > -- > [Start Signature] > > My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence > -8&q=define%3Aemotional+intelligence&btnG=Search> > In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct > contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php > > [End Signature] > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkE0YvUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSZGgCfdbC/mu6WofITDlEuRVtkTOco 85QAn0FoPbdPMe9yH+BJUsbDwSn+PHu+ =quaN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 31 11:42:08 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:42:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <41346410.2090606@cmosnetworks.com> Now that is interesting. I've got Cisco Catalyst 3500 and 3550 switches, and things work just fine. I've also done it with a BayStack 450T w/ Gig-E and things worked fine. I've also successfully done it with Amer.com's 48 port version of the same switch (SR48G2i), and things worked. However, every K12LTSP server that I run uses fiber; I simply haven't yet tried it with copper Gig-E, but it should work fine. I know that others on the list run copper Gig-E and say that it's just dandy. The Cat5 spec provides for 100m (328ft) "total run" length, which means that you can expect to reasonably get away with about 90m (just over 270ft). If you're not even getting DHCP, then that tells me that nothing's seeing your server. Make doubly sure that you've done all your crimping right, because while Gig-E does work across both Cat5 and 5e, you've got to make sure things are done just right--crimping, patch panel punch-down, etc. The tolerances for 100Mb are lower than for 1Gb. One quickie way to test if that switch's Gig-E port is working or not is to try the second Gig-E port (SRxxG2 switches have two). Are you getting a link light on your switch when you plug in the server? --TP Duane Wilson wrote: > I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. > > Installed it between server and terminals. > > Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! > Would not even get DHCP > > Tried one terminal. > Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' > > There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. > > Is that too far? > Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old > 100 Mbit) > Is my switch bad? > > Anyone??? > > > Thanks, > Duane Wilson > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 31 11:59:50 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:59:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] updates In-Reply-To: <20040830153753.UIKV9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040830153753.UIKV9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <41346836.4090104@cmosnetworks.com> Will Hatch wrote: >Hi All, > >My k12ltsp (4.0.1) is working very well after an entire summer of slaving over a computer trying to figure it out. Now, I point my mouse at the red exclamation point on my desktop and it tells me I have 75 updates! I tried to do some a few weeks back; downloaded a critical kernal update. I noticed when the server is rebooted, it has the old and new version of the OS. What is the real deal with updates; which ones do I really need, can I avoid the updates for programs that I'm not even familiar with? Also, if I download a kernal update, am I essentially downloading another OS to my server HD, taking up storage room? Things are running so well that I hate to mess them up. If someone has the time, what is the bottom line with doing updates for Fedora Core 1/k12ltsp 4.0.1? Thanks! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Hello Will, There are ways to choose your updates with any operating system, even Windows. You've just got to set the correct options. Generally, I choose all of the available updates, because I don't want some root compromise happening when I could've stopped it. The updates are provided for a reason, and it's usually security, which is what we all like. With regard to kernel updates, you're not downloading another OS; you're downloading a small piece of the OS. The kernel is the part of any operating system that does the low-level conversation with the hardware (this is where the name "GNU/Linux" comes from, BTW). What you're seeing in your GRUB menu, you're seeing the old kernel version *and* the new kernel version. Any time I update my kernel, I always like to keep the old version around so that I can roll back to it if the new kernel gives me problems. I haven't yet run into that, but some have. Yes, it's taking up space, but not much--maybe a few MB. If you have an old kernel rev, you are vulnerable to several DoS attacks and possibly also a root compromise or two. If you want to get rid of the "old" kernel entry in your boot menu, just edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst file, and you won't see it anymore. But I'd keep it around for a month or two of actual "production-style" use before I did that. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 31 12:27:06 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:27:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: RE: Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <00b601c48d1e$d7a7a500$96c3a4cb@boss> References: <20040827151247.94C56734A5@hormel.redhat.com> <00b601c48d1e$d7a7a500$96c3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <41346E9A.2000301@cmosnetworks.com> It looks like you do indeed have the built-in Red Hat firewall turned on, and this will cause problems for thin clients. The "medium" level is the Red Hat default during the installation, so it's easy to end up turning this on. Normally, this is a good thing, but it does break LTSP and, therefore, K12LTSP. Here's how to fix it till you reboot your server: [root at server root]# iptables -F This wipes out the firewall rules, allowing everything to go through. Since you're running the "standard" dual-NIC setup, I'm not absolutely certain, but you might also have to do this to get your NAT rules back: [root at server root]# /sbin/service nat stop [root at server root]# /sbin/service nat start Now, this is fine, but what about when you next reboot your server? We need a more permanent fix. All the firewall rules are stored in /etc/sysconfig/iptables. I took a look at the shell script that sources this file, and, from what I read, if that file isn't there, then those rules won't be implemented, and your problem should go away. This is the case on my K12LTSP server. In your case, you could either delete the file, or (my preference for safety's sake) you could simply rename it to, say, /etc/sysconfig/iptables.orig. Give this a try and let us know how it goes. --TP ben may wrote: >Hi, > have two lan's running on my server but until i get it al running i have >just pluged the two of them into the sam hub the clients are in. >also >[root at server root]# iptables -L > >Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) > >target prot opt source destination > >RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere > > > >Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) > >target prot opt source destination > >RH-Firewall-1-INPUT all -- anywhere anywhere > > > >Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) > >target prot opt source destination > > > >Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT (2 references) > >target prot opt source destination > >ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere > >ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere > >ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere icmp any > >ACCEPT ipv6-crypt-- anywhere anywhere > >ACCEPT ipv6-auth-- anywhere anywhere > >ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state >RELATED,ESTABLISHED > >ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp >dpt:ssh > >REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with >icmp-host-prohibited > > > >Thanks > > > >Ben May > > > > >>Hello Ben, >> >>Does your server indeed have 192.168.0.254 on the eth0 interface? Also, >>did you put eth0 on the network for your thin clients? I'm assuming >>you're using the "standard" dual-NIC setup here. >> >>Also, do you have the firewall turned on? As root, try typing "iptables >>-L", and if you see any rules, that could be a problem. >> >>--TP >> >>ben may wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi All, >>>This is where i can get to with my server running 4.0.1 >>>/Client/ >>>" >>>Searching For Server..(DHCP) >>>..Me=192.168.0.253 (etc) >>>loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmliniz.ltsp........ >>>" >>>Thats it. it gets no where, i have read the HOW TO Ver. 3 >>>maybe theres something im doing wrong? >>>Thanks >>> >>>Ben May >>>Qld, Australia >>>be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au >>> >>> From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 31 13:07:38 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 9:07:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] taskbar issues after updates Message-ID: <20040831130738.RKWQ2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Well, I decided to do all the updates and I have had some sort of a meltdown. After I rebooted the hourglass just hung on the screen. I tried using the earlier kernals, with the same result. Oh no! So, I used the k12 cd set to install/upgrade. It managed to recover my system, but something is going on with the taskbar. My clock, up2date icon, and other functions from the task bar had an error message. It said I could delete the configuration for these files if I wanted. It does this for every user. After I selected delete, everything seems to work fine. I miss my post-it notes, clock, weather ect. Oh, and the icons for openoffice, mozilla, printer are on the taskbar. Its the things on the right/bottom of the screen that are history. Could I possibly use the cd set in upgrade mode again to recover this? Thanks. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 31 13:18:52 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba help In-Reply-To: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <008101c48f5d$8d486940$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <41347ABC.9040102@maltzen.net> Check the /etc/xinetd.d/swat file. I believe it defaults to restricting access to only the localhost. Look for a line that looks like this: only_from = 127.0.0.1 and change it to: #only_from = 127.0.0.1 and then restart xinetd: service xinetd restart To be more security conscious, you may want to change the only_from line to a limited list of machines that can access swat, say, localhost and your desktop machine. The above setting means any machine can get to it. Petre Krsnendu wrote: > I want to set up my K12LTSP server as the file server for our small > school. > > I was planning to link the My documents folders from each desktop > computer on the network to the homes partition of the server. > > This way we can just backup the homes partition and all our data is > backed up in one go. > > So that is my goal; here is where I need help. > > 1. I can?t access SWAT through the network. >From the server machine, > if I connect using localhost:901 it connects, but if I use the > ?ipaddress of the server?:901 it says the ?document contains no data? > > Using Opera on another machine it asks to download a zero size file > called status. > > I have another samba server running on Vector Linux. I can connect to > this remotely without problems it is only the LTSP server that has > problems. > > The firewall is turned off. I can ssh and run remote X sessions on > LTSP. It?s just SWAT that doesn?t connect at present. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue Aug 31 14:44:59 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:44:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] end-of-grade computer competency testing Message-ID: <554EDDF6-FB5C-11D8-99AF-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Hey folks in education, Mini-survey. Those of you who have made it to the point where you are a Linux only school.... or at least are using Linux to teach word processing, spreadsheet, and database. Are any of you having to take state mandated end-of-year computer competency tests to show proficiency in word processing, spreadsheet, and database? If so, is your state offering the test in generic formats? Do they offer it in OpenOffice format? Or do they only have it in proprietary formats? If proprietary, how have you dealt with that. Specifically, have you had any problems testing when the test is in MS formats. Also, how did you deal with the database portions of the test? Thanks for the input. Feel free to email me directly if you'd rather not take up list space for this thread. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gardening Rule:? When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it.? If it comes out of the?ground? easily, it is a valuable plant. From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 31 15:02:32 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:02:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] taskbar issues after updates In-Reply-To: <20040831130738.RKWQ2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040831130738.RKWQ2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1093964551.24797.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 08:07, Will Hatch wrote: > Well, I decided to do all the updates and I have had some sort of a meltdown. After I rebooted the hourglass just hung on the screen. I tried using the earlier kernals, with the same result. Oh no! So, I used the k12 cd set to install/upgrade. It managed to recover my system, but something is going on with the taskbar. My clock, up2date icon, and other functions from the task bar had an error message. It said I could delete the configuration for these files if I wanted. It does this for every user. After I selected delete, everything seems to work fine. I miss my post-it notes, clock, weather ect. Oh, and the icons for openoffice, mozilla, printer are on the taskbar. Its the things on the right/bottom of the screen that are history. Could I possibly use the cd set in upgrade mode again to recover this? Thanks. It may be that some of your updates didn't actually complete. I'd try it again, although I prefer to run yum from the command line so I can see what is happening a little better. The results should be the same since they manage the same rpm packages. Assuming the underlying applets are still there, you should be able to put back the missing taskbar components by clicking the right mouse button on it and selecting 'add to panel'. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 31 16:58:05 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:58:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] taskbar issues after updates Message-ID: <20040831165805.YIOX24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Les, I opened the command line, logged in as root, and typed in: yum updates So, the updates started in text mode and it has been working for about 1 hour. When I'm done, will I have to issue another command to install? Also, you mentioned that if the applets were still there, I could just re-add those things to the Gnome taskbar. I may have screwed up by choosing "delete" when it asked me if I wanted to do so upon loading those particular applets at login. Any way to reinstall those? I switched to the KDE desktop, which is ok, but I think I prefer Gnome. I tried using the cd set again and selecting "upgrade", but it didn't solve the problem. Thanks > > From: Les Mikesell > Date: 2004/08/31 Tue AM 11:02:32 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] taskbar issues after updates > > On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 08:07, Will Hatch wrote: > > Well, I decided to do all the updates and I have had some sort of a meltdown. After I rebooted the hourglass just hung on the screen. I tried using the earlier kernals, with the same result. Oh no! So, I used the k12 cd set to install/upgrade. It managed to recover my system, but something is going on with the taskbar. My clock, up2date icon, and other functions from the task bar had an error message. It said I could delete the configuration for these files if I wanted. It does this for every user. After I selected delete, everything seems to work fine. I miss my post-it notes, clock, weather ect. Oh, and the icons for openoffice, mozilla, printer are on the taskbar. Its the things on the right/bottom of the screen that are history. Could I possibly use the cd set in upgrade mode again to recover this? Thanks. > > It may be that some of your updates didn't actually complete. I'd try it > again, although I prefer to run yum from the command line so I can > see what is happening a little better. The results should be the > same since they manage the same rpm packages. Assuming the underlying > applets are still there, you should be able to put back the > missing taskbar components by clicking the right mouse button on it > and selecting 'add to panel'. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 31 17:09:44 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:09:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver Message-ID: <1093972184.26669.4.camel@server.ltsp> I have installed the k12ltsp 4.0.? without a hitch. Eerything is functioning fine. I noticed during installation that it installed quite a large file for screensavers, but cannot do anything other than blank the screen. No other screensaver option exists. But when I choice KDE for the desktop, I get all kinds of choice. Problem is there is no way on earth I am going to use KDE on 30+ thin clients. How can I get the screensavers to work with gnome? like I say, no choice exists in gnome except the blank screen Thanks From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Tue Aug 31 17:57:27 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:57:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Cron /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists Message-ID: <200408311357.27021.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi folks, My squidguard update cron process is failing with the following error. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to start looking for the source of the problem. rsync: failed to connect to squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us: Connection timed out rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(83) The script looks like this (as far as I know unmodified from installation) TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists cd $TARGET || exit # only run if squidGuard is active! [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET for DIR in `ls $TARGET` do if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/domains.$TMP mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains fi if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/urls.$TMP mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls fi done /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u chown -R squid.squid $TARGET chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ # inserted by John Hansknecht 6/6/03 chown -R squid.squid /home/squid/ sleep 5s /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid Thanks, John Hansknecht From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 31 17:58:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:58:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver In-Reply-To: <1093972184.26669.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1093972184.26669.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1093975109.24797.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 12:09, Liam Marshall wrote: > I have installed the k12ltsp 4.0.? without a hitch. Eerything is > functioning fine. I noticed during installation that it installed quite > a large file for screensavers, but cannot do anything other than blank > the screen. I think part of the k12ltsp setup goes out of its way to break the screen savers. Remember, everything runs on the server and updates over the network to the client screens. You really don't want the server to push moving graphics over the net when no one is watching. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 31 18:05:14 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:05:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] taskbar issues after updates In-Reply-To: <20040831165805.YIOX24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040831165805.YIOX24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1093975514.24797.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 11:58, Will Hatch wrote: > I opened the command line, logged in as root, and typed in: yum updates > > So, the updates started in text mode and it has been working for about > 1 hour. When I'm done, will I have to issue another command to install? The first time you run yum it downloads a small header file for each RPM in the repository. It will use this information to determine if you still have anything installed that is older than current. If so, it will offer to update a list of packages and you will have to answer y to continue. When you run 'yum update' again it will only have to pick up any headers that are new in the repository so it goes much faster. > Also, you mentioned that if the applets were still there, I could just > re-add those things to the Gnome taskbar. I may have screwed up by > choosing "delete" when it asked me if I wanted to do so upon loading > those particular applets at login. I think that just means delete them from the panel, so the right-mouse, add should put them back. I'd wait until yum tells you that everything is up to date, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 31 18:31:34 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:31:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver In-Reply-To: <1093975109.24797.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1093972184.26669.4.camel@server.ltsp> <1093975109.24797.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1093977094.27480.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 12:58, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 12:09, Liam Marshall wrote: > > I have installed the k12ltsp 4.0.? without a hitch. Eerything is > > functioning fine. I noticed during installation that it installed quite > > a large file for screensavers, but cannot do anything other than blank > > the screen. > > I think part of the k12ltsp setup goes out of its way to break > the screen savers. Remember, everything runs on the server > and updates over the network to the client screens. You really > don't want the server to push moving graphics over the net when > no one is watching. > you are right, I wouldn't want that, but what I do want is a screensaver on the server itself, which I run with a gnome desktop. I do not want to run the server with KDE. I want a screensaver on gnome that I can lock requiring a password to unlock, but a little better than just a blank screen. Screensavers are not a requirement of mine on the workstations From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Aug 31 19:11:36 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:11:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver In-Reply-To: <1093977094.27480.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1093972184.26669.4.camel@server.ltsp> <1093975109.24797.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1093977094.27480.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1093979496.18585.20.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Liam - look for the file: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver Within that file, there is a line that starts with !*programs. Remove the preceding "!" (which is a comment character) This should re-enable screensavers. Then, you have to disable screensavers on a per-user basis, by putting a .xscreensaver file in each user account. (take a look at a .xscreensaver file that is generated by the gui and make changes as needed) -Gideon On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 14:31, Liam Marshall wrote: > On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 12:58, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 12:09, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > I have installed the k12ltsp 4.0.? without a hitch. Eerything is > > > functioning fine. I noticed during installation that it installed quite > > > a large file for screensavers, but cannot do anything other than blank > > > the screen. > > > > I think part of the k12ltsp setup goes out of its way to break > > the screen savers. Remember, everything runs on the server > > and updates over the network to the client screens. You really > > don't want the server to push moving graphics over the net when > > no one is watching. > > > you are right, I wouldn't want that, but what I do want is a screensaver > on the server itself, which I run with a gnome desktop. I do not want > to run the server with KDE. I want a screensaver on gnome that I can > lock requiring a password to unlock, but a little better than just a > blank screen. Screensavers are not a requirement of mine on the > workstations > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dalen at czexan.net Tue Aug 31 19:49:22 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:49:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? Message-ID: <4134D642.8040708@czexan.net> I read an interesting article about an X compression technology called NX than lowers the bandwidth needs of remote X sessions. I was wondering if this is being considered for future K12LTSP versions. The article is at the url below. http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8139&page=1 From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Aug 31 20:24:02 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:24:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver In-Reply-To: <1093979496.18585.20.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1093972184.26669.4.camel@server.ltsp> <1093975109.24797.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1093977094.27480.2.camel@server.ltsp> <1093979496.18585.20.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <4134DE62.4060206@mts.net> Gideon Romm wrote: > Liam - > > look for the file: > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver > > Within that file, there is a line that starts with !*programs. Remove > the preceding "!" (which is a comment character) > > This should re-enable screensavers. Then, you have to disable > screensavers on a per-user basis, by putting a .xscreensaver file in > each user account. > > (take a look at a .xscreensaver file that is generated by the gui and > make changes as needed) > > -Gideon that worked great thanks! From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 29 19:10:55 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:10:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <200408291340.i7TDeaf6017004@mail45.nsc.no> References: <20040829004209.GC4730@mcquil.com> <200408291340.i7TDeaf6017004@mail45.nsc.no> Message-ID: <20040829191055.GA30544@mcquil.com> On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 03:40:33PM +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > > Trond, > > > > the 'who' command relies on entries in the utmp and wtmp files. > > > > It's usually up to the display manager (GDM,XDM,KDM) to add > > the entries to the utmp files, and remove the entries when > > you log out. Over the years various display managers have > > been setup correctly or incorrectly to do that. It varies > > alot by distribution, version and display manager. > > > Take a look at the ltsp.org contrib page, Derek Dresser wrote > > an article about how to set up the session scripts to keep > > the utmp files updated. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > Thank you Jim, > > I use the standard display manager setup by K12LTSP 4.0.1. Is that GDMM? > I see that the how-to works on KDM. Read the howto. it may be geared towards KDM, but the concepts are the same. You just need to look at gdm.conf, and see which scripts are run, and add the same code to update the utmp file. The only thing that changes is which file you need to edit. Follow gdm.conf, and see what it is doing. Jim. > > Is there any easy way of changing from GDM to KDM? > > Finally can someone verify that K12LTSP 4.0.1 defaults to GDM on the > terminals? > > Regards > > Trond > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 12:55:27AM +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > >> I use K12LTSP 4.0.1 on my LTSP servers. They all use ldap login. A > >> main server has all the home folders and handles most services. It > >> also houses the ldap database. I want to see who is logged on the > >> LTSP servers. I try the who command, but it only shows one user. I > >> suspect it shows the user who last logged on. I know that there are > >> many more users on, but they don't show up. Is this a Fedora thing? > >> When I use the Norwegian "Skolelinux", which is Debian-based with > >> the same setup as the Feodra boxes, the who command lists all > >> users... > >> > >> Can someone help me with this one? Is there an alternative to > >> monitor user activity? > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Trond M?hlum > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Mon Aug 30 14:57:48 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:57:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> References: <200408291340.i7TDeaf6017004@mail45.nsc.no> <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> Message-ID: <20040830145748.GC17401@mcquil.com> Trond, If you can see the users with 'last' but not with 'who', I think it indicates that you are updating the 'wtmp' file, but not the 'utmp' file. I think you need to update both files when the user logs in/out. Jim. On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 04:50:46PM +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > >> Trond, > >> > >> the 'who' command relies on entries in the utmp and wtmp files. > >> > >> It's usually up to the display manager (GDM,XDM,KDM) to add the > >> entries to the utmp files, and remove the entries when you log out. > >> Over the years various display managers have been setup correctly or > >> incorrectly to do that. It varies alot by distribution, version and > >> display manager. > > > >> Take a look at the ltsp.org contrib page, Derek Dresser wrote an > >> article about how to set up the session scripts to keep the utmp > >> files updated. > >> > >> Jim McQuillan > >> jam at Ltsp.org > > > I followed the how-to and changed from GDM to KDM since the how-to > applied to KDM. Now I can track users by using the 'last' command. I > don't like the output from 'last', it's rather messy and gives a lot > more information than I need. > > Unfortunately, the 'who' command still fails. It still returns only one > user when 'last' gives me 16. I have 5 LTSP servers based on K12LTSP > 4.0.1 and every one of them behaves like this. So it's not an isolated > error on one server. They all use LDAP for login and IceWM for the > session. > > Any suggestions? > > Regards > > Trond M?hlum > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 31 23:12:31 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:12:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 22:46, Duane Wilson wrote: > I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. > > Installed it between server and terminals. > > Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! > Would not even get DHCP > > Tried one terminal. > Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' > > There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. > > Is that too far? > Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old 100 > Mbit) > Is my switch bad? > > Anyone??? > > > Thanks, > Duane Wilson > > I agree with Terrell. The tolerances for Gig vs 100mb are substantial. Just because it works with 100mb does *not* mean it will work with gig. Take it from a person who has already gone through what you are going through. Check your cabling. It has to be done *perfectly* for gig to work over copper. Jack From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Aug 31 23:20:19 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:20:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: oh knowing who did our cabling and the fact we just purchased 5 of these switches, this is not a good thing. ah well, life stays interesting Shane "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 7:12 PM -0500 wrote: >On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 22:46, Duane Wilson wrote: >> I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. >> >> Installed it between server and terminals. >> >> Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! >> Would not even get DHCP >> >> Tried one terminal. >> Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' >> >> There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. >> >> Is that too far? >> Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old >100 >> Mbit) >> Is my switch bad? >> >> Anyone??? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Duane Wilson >> >> >I agree with Terrell. The tolerances for Gig vs 100mb are substantial. >Just because it works with 100mb does *not* mean it will work with gig. >Take it from a person who has already gone through what you are going >through. Check your cabling. It has to be done *perfectly* for gig to >work over copper. > >Jack > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From brockn at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 23:32:32 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb8040831163245a42cf4@mail.gmail.com> If that is true I was not aware of it, but I am no expert! However I found this interesting note yesterday. "Using quality CAT 5 Cabling, good wiring practices and no EMI problems, the maximum recommended transmission line length between nodes for 10BaseT and 100TX is 100 Meters (about 329 feet). For Gigabit wiring using 1000BaseT operating at 350MHz, the limitation is 82 feet.." http://www.bluemax.net/techtips/networking/Wiring_Tips/Wiring100TX/alittletheory.htm On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:20:19 -0400, Shane Stafford wrote: > oh knowing who did our cabling and the fact we just purchased 5 of these > switches, this is not a good thing. > > ah well, life stays interesting > > Shane > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > > Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 7:12 PM -0500 wrote: > >On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 22:46, Duane Wilson wrote: > >> I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. > >> > >> Installed it between server and terminals. > >> > >> Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! > >> Would not even get DHCP > >> > >> Tried one terminal. > >> Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' > >> > >> There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. > >> > >> Is that too far? > >> Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old > >100 > >> Mbit) > >> Is my switch bad? > >> > >> Anyone??? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Duane Wilson > >> > >> > >I agree with Terrell. The tolerances for Gig vs 100mb are substantial. > >Just because it works with 100mb does *not* mean it will work with gig. > >Take it from a person who has already gone through what you are going > >through. Check your cabling. It has to be done *perfectly* for gig to > >work over copper. > > > >Jack > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- [Start Signature] My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 31 23:44:12 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:44:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <41350D4C.9010201@cmosnetworks.com> Then you'd better bring the folks who did the cabling back in and tell 'em to actually follow the Cat5 specs this time. You may wish to float the insinuation of possible legal action if they buck. IEEE 802.1ab says quite explicitly that 1000BaseT will work across existing Cat5-spec wiring plants. There was a similar problem back in the 1990's, when 100BaseTX was first getting deployed. Some cabling installers cut corners and used Cat3 RJ-45 plugs and even Cat3 patch panels during their "Cat5" installs! Of course, this completely broke the 100Mb connectivity. As you can imagine, there was--umm, more than one lawsuit over this. From what you're saying, you're going to have this problem no matter whose Gig-E copper switches you buy. The spec is the spec. Another option is to run some fiber links and get some mini-GBIC modules from Amer.com. I've used their fiber modules with success, so I know they work. This afternoon, I also did a 1000BaseT (i. e. copper) connection from a spare SR48G2i switch to my Catalyst 3550 and pumped about 600Mb of traffic across it w/ no errors (multiple ISO image FTP transfer), so now I _know_ that 1000BaseT on those switches does indeed work. Unless you need GVRP support (you'll know if you do), you made a good purchase. --TP Shane Stafford wrote: >oh knowing who did our cabling and the fact we just purchased 5 of these >switches, this is not a good thing. > >ah well, life stays interesting > >Shane > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 7:12 PM -0500 wrote: > > >>On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 22:46, Duane Wilson wrote: >> >> >>>I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. >>> >>>Installed it between server and terminals. >>> >>>Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! >>> Would not even get DHCP >>> >>>Tried one terminal. >>> Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' >>> >>>There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. >>> >>>Is that too far? >>>Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old >>> >>> >>100 >> >> >>>Mbit) >>>Is my switch bad? >>> >>>Anyone??? >>> >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Duane Wilson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I agree with Terrell. The tolerances for Gig vs 100mb are substantial. >>Just because it works with 100mb does *not* mean it will work with gig. >>Take it from a person who has already gone through what you are going >>through. Check your cabling. It has to be done *perfectly* for gig to >>work over copper. >> >>Jack >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 31 23:48:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:48:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <41350D4C.9010201@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <41350D4C.9010201@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <41350E30.6070208@cmosnetworks.com> Oops--I meant "802.3ab". Sorry 'bout that. Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Then you'd better bring the folks who did the cabling back in and tell > 'em to actually follow the Cat5 specs this time. You may wish to > float the insinuation of possible legal action if they buck. IEEE > 802.1ab says quite explicitly that 1000BaseT will work across existing > Cat5-spec wiring plants. There was a similar problem back in the > 1990's, when 100BaseTX was first getting deployed. Some cabling > installers cut corners and used Cat3 RJ-45 plugs and even Cat3 patch > panels during their "Cat5" installs! Of course, this completely broke > the 100Mb connectivity. As you can imagine, there was--umm, more than > one lawsuit over this. > > From what you're saying, you're going to have this problem no matter > whose Gig-E copper switches you buy. The spec is the spec. > > Another option is to run some fiber links and get some mini-GBIC > modules from Amer.com. I've used their fiber modules with success, so > I know they work. This afternoon, I also did a 1000BaseT (i. e. > copper) connection from a spare SR48G2i switch to my Catalyst 3550 and > pumped about 600Mb of traffic across it w/ no errors (multiple ISO > image FTP transfer), so now I _know_ that 1000BaseT on those switches > does indeed work. Unless you need GVRP support (you'll know if you > do), you made a good purchase. > > --TP > > Shane Stafford wrote: > >> oh knowing who did our cabling and the fact we just purchased 5 of these >> switches, this is not a good thing. >> >> ah well, life stays interesting >> >> Shane >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 7:12 PM -0500 wrote: >> >> >>> On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 22:46, Duane Wilson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. >>>> >>>> Installed it between server and terminals. >>>> >>>> Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! >>>> Would not even get DHCP >>>> >>>> Tried one terminal. >>>> Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' >>>> >>>> There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. >>>> >>>> Is that too far? >>>> Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old >>>> >>> >>> 100 >>> >>>> Mbit) >>>> Is my switch bad? >>>> >>>> Anyone??? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Duane Wilson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I agree with Terrell. The tolerances for Gig vs 100mb are >>> substantial. Just because it works with 100mb does *not* mean it >>> will work with gig. Take it from a person who has already gone >>> through what you are going >>> through. Check your cabling. It has to be done *perfectly* for gig to >>> work over copper. >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> >> >> Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >> Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >> Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >> S & B Consulting >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 31 20:12:13 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:12:13 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Loading vmlinuz.ltsp Message-ID: <009401c48f96$d18c3670$2bdf1dd3@boss> Hi eveybody, I have just put /once again/ a fresh copy of k12lstsp on my server v 4.0.1. It has two network cards, a onboard and a add-on card (expansion slot) i have set both cards to DHCP, i dont plan of going onto the net, these will be indapendent to all my other networks. i turned the fire wall OFF for the same reason, that i wont be on the net. Now after making a boot disk from rom o matic heres where my client gets to, Scanning for server (DHCP)..... me=192.168.0.254 server=192.168.0.254 gateway=192.168.0.254 loading 192.168.0.254:lts/vmlinuz.ltsp.................. Thats all it does, if anyone has some help PLEASE help me, Thanks Ben May QLD, Australia From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 31 20:58:28 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:58:28 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] STOP: Loading vmlinuz.ltsp Message-ID: <001e01c48f9d$453141f0$e1c4a4cb@boss> *_HOORAY_* IT WORKS, not sure how, i did another instalation, i think it was the way i had eth0 and eth1 around, off to have some fun with it. Thanks Ben May