From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Jul 1 01:08:46 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:08:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maybe Linux is ready for the desktop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <40E3641E.5060606@snet.net> Carl Keil wrote: > For those of you trying to justify Linux to Administrators, teachers and > other skeptics, here's an interesting anecdote about Linux's ease of > use/familiarity to new users. > > I have a couple of 12 year old kids staying at my house for a few > weeks. I told them they could use my k12ltsp 4 server if they wanted as > a workstation. (Since I can't get any @#$% terminals working yet.) > They've been hogging my wife's Mac and I wanted to let her get back to > it. They're usually windows users. When I found one of them using it I > asked him if he'd ever used Linux. He said, "No, what's that?" I > pointed to the screen and explained to him what an operating system > was. He had been happily surfing the web. The only instructions I gave > him earlier were to point at the terminal and say log in as foo/bar. > > Just thought I'd share. I was pretty dumbfounded, actually. I thought > he'd need me to tell him where stuff was, etc. > I took two frankenstein boxes (made from donated parts, running RedHat 8.0) to school and placed them in my classroom where students used them to conduct internet research, write papers, create slide presentation, manipulate graphics and more. The vast majority of them didn't have a clue they were using a different operating system until I told them. They did notice that the linux boxes didn't crash and lose their work, though! I gave the computers away at the end of the year. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jul 1 08:17:08 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:17:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Having telnet come up automatically during bootup In-Reply-To: <4F1FFFF9F948D21190C50060943F1ED704399A61@manor1> References: <4F1FFFF9F948D21190C50060943F1ED704399A61@manor1> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20040701085545.02419b58@pop.bgfl.org> At 19:27 30/06/2004, you wrote: >We are running terminals to a unix time clock system using old machines >and linux. The terminals telnet into a server running the time clock >system. Is there a way to have that terminal telnet automatically into the >time clock server after the end user logs onto the local machine? (Ie. >Script, etc.) We want to avoid our end users having to telnet manually >into the server. >Thanks for any help. If the LTSP clients are only to run a telnet session, set lts.conf For LSTP 4 it's SCREEN_nn = telnet and for LTSP3 it's RUNLEVEL = 4 If you want normal X sessions but telnet access, expect is your friend (http://expect.nist.gov/) Buy Don Libes book as I'm pretty sure that there is a telnet example in there; my booh is at home today so I can't be sure. Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Thu Jul 1 11:59:20 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:59:20 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? Message-ID: Matthew Ross wrote: >> Well, this was just a suggestion because his main user base are on school schedules. School schedules usualy have summers as the time when major changes can be made without effecting their students and staff. Thus, an annoucement of "it's comming soon" when it's in this time makes tech administrators anxious. If we don't know, or think it's far off (say, expected Begining of Winter), we'll stop pestering you guys. And if you release it early, all the better! << Not wishing to appear a pedant or anything, but we're alread one month into winter here, so it's not far off at all. On the other hand, summer holidays will start in late December, so there's still plenty of time to spare. Remember, it's a big world out there, and on the Internet, you're talking to a large chunk of it. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From skossakoski at sau16.org Thu Jul 1 12:40:18 2004 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:40:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client test Message-ID: Has anyone used the Neoware Capio One thin clients from IBM? We've ordered one for testing. The price for bulk buys (30-50) is fantastic @ about $190. For more info go to : http://www.ibm.com/us/ and type "capio one" in the search box. We're hoping to use these units in a new charter school (sponsored by our school district). The school will use only K12LTSP thin clients, desktops, and laptops. All software will be FOSS. We're excited about the possibilities. Any thoughts you may have would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jul 1 13:45:15 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:45:15 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client test Message-ID: <070120041345.7878.40E4156B00037DEE00001EC622007348409C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Steve, Not trying to start a 'holy' war, but the Capio seems to be somewhat limited long term. The Capio only has 32Mb of memory which may become an issue at some point and is designed to be a Citrix client (or windows client). It does have the remote management tools (probably related to updating/configuring the on-board flash for booting), but I personally haven't really seen any need for these since the thin clients are just pieces of hardware that you can almost setup once and forget about them. Check out disklessworkstations (disklessworkstations.com) or Casetronic VIA Eden-based units http://www.casetronic.com/Product/Barebone/2688RVIA/2688RVIA.html. NCS uses the 2699R Casetronic units (but customized from what the website offers to use the Eden 5000, not the Eden Epia-M MB, about 185US, and you will need to add memory and a mouse). Also, google the k12os listserve for prior discussions on this. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School -------------- Original message -------------- > Has anyone used the Neoware Capio One thin clients from IBM? We've > ordered one for testing. The price for bulk buys (30-50) is fantastic > @ about $190. For more info go to : http://www.ibm.com/us/ and type > "capio one" in the search box. We're hoping to use these units in a > new charter school (sponsored by our school district). The school will > use only K12LTSP thin clients, desktops, and laptops. All software > will be FOSS. We're excited about the possibilities. Any thoughts you > may have would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Steve > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jul 1 13:45:32 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:45:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E4157C.6080808@inlandlakes.org> Yeah -- Huck used one, and liked it enough that I've purchased 10 of them. (They should arrive soon -- you should expect a long wait, upwards of weeks to get them). I hope they work as well for me as they do for Huck, because all my secretaries will be using one next year. :) (NOTE: The official ones, not the demos, come with a mouse and no keyboard. Just so you know. I haven't seen the mice, but I'll probably buy some nice new ones of those too.) -Shawn Steve Kossakoski wrote: > Has anyone used the Neoware Capio One thin clients from IBM? We've > ordered one for testing. The price for bulk buys (30-50) is fantastic > @ about $190. For more info go to : http://www.ibm.com/us/ and type > "capio one" in the search box. We're hoping to use these units in a > new charter school (sponsored by our school district). The school will > use only K12LTSP thin clients, desktops, and laptops. All software > will be FOSS. We're excited about the possibilities. Any thoughts you > may have would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Steve > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jul 1 13:50:58 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:50:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client test In-Reply-To: <070120041345.7878.40E4156B00037DEE00001EC622007348409C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <070120041345.7878.40E4156B00037DEE00001EC622007348409C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <40E416C2.2090309@inlandlakes.org> > The Capio only has 32Mb of memory which may become This is true -- but $199 is cheap. I'm using mostly donated hardware for our district, but I did get the Capios for our offices. (I wanted a testbed for actual thin clients) I do have a $300 HP thin client, which is really nice -- but I dont' know that it's $100 nicer. I'll happily report back to the list mid-year. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From k12osn at collinsoft.com Thu Jul 1 14:17:28 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ignorance is bliss..but this is outrageous... In-Reply-To: <005401c45960$f9eb5ae0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Huck wrote: > at one of the schools I support..there is a decision being made to > incorporate 'FLASH' into the computer curriculm... > > Flash in and of itself is not bad...but teaching it as a primary design > tool for webpages IS BAD. > > It's nearly as bad as teaching Frontpage without explaining HTML or CSS > in order to learn how to design and develop a decent website. > > I need help in explaining that adhering to a standard and teaching the > concepts behind the standard is more important than having flashy moving > objects and animations on a website. Tell them that public schools websites are required to be disability accessible: http://www.dlrp.org/html/IT/diverseability/UAwithITPolicyinSchools.htm Flash is improving in this area, but I don't know how complete it is yet. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From dcoder at valemount.com Thu Jul 1 14:30:11 2004 From: dcoder at valemount.com (dcoder at valemount.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:30:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] display manager not working Message-ID: <1088692211.40e41ff3174f3@webmail.valemount.com> Hi all, I have just installed K12ltsp 4.01 and everything has gone soothly so far. I can boot the client upto the point where I get a gray screen with an x for the cursor. I have read 6.6.1 "Gray Screen with large X cursor" several times and everything seems to be ok. If I follow directions this is what I get [root at server gdm]# netstat -ap | grep xdmcp udp 0 0 *:xdmcp *:* 3628/gdm-binary so xdmcp seems to be running Here is my xdm-config ! SECURITY: do not listen for XDMCP or Chooser requests ! Comment out this line if you want to manage X terminals with xdm DisplayManager.requestPort: 0 and I have checked Xaccess for the * and the xdmcp has the Enable=true line in it so now I am a little stuck. I can ping my client ws253 so it knows me. Any help will be greatly appreiciatiated. Dean Coder VSS Valemount Secondary School From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jul 1 14:52:01 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:52:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC Setup Message-ID: <40E42511.3030103@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I'm a total newbie (read idiot) when it comes to Linux, so don't be afraid to treat me like one- I can handle it. I've got a Windows NT domain running at the moment, and I want to deploy some LTSP clients throughout the network. Since I want to have the clients spread out throughout the network, the default K12LTSP setup in which the server acts as a router for a lab situation isn't appropriate. Can someone tell me how configure my server with just one NIC and my clients to get their IP address from my existing MS DHCP server and then boot from the Linux server? I await great wisdom. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The giant squid has the largest eyes in the world. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jul 1 15:21:05 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 08:21:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Maybe Linux is ready for the desktop In-Reply-To: <40E3641E.5060606@snet.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> <40E3641E.5060606@snet.net> Message-ID: <40E42BE1.7030105@elp.rr.com> I have a hoebrew 8 terminal network in my classroom that I created fro donations and left overs from upgrading my home computers. The students e-mail their work backe and forth between school (K12LTSP) and home (some form of Windblows) with no problems. In fact the only time they ever complain about Linux is when several of them decide to play some of the more graphic intensive games all at once and the server, also from a junk pile, slows down from the work load. Bye Pat anthony baldwin wrote: > Carl Keil wrote: > >> For those of you trying to justify Linux to Administrators, teachers >> and other skeptics, here's an interesting anecdote about Linux's ease >> of use/familiarity to new users. >> >> I have a couple of 12 year old kids staying at my house for a few >> weeks. I told them they could use my k12ltsp 4 server if they wanted >> as a workstation. (Since I can't get any @#$% terminals working >> yet.) They've been hogging my wife's Mac and I wanted to let her get >> back to it. They're usually windows users. When I found one of them >> using it I asked him if he'd ever used Linux. He said, "No, what's >> that?" I pointed to the screen and explained to him what an >> operating system was. He had been happily surfing the web. The only >> instructions I gave him earlier were to point at the terminal and say >> log in as foo/bar. >> >> Just thought I'd share. I was pretty dumbfounded, actually. I >> thought he'd need me to tell him where stuff was, etc. >> > > I took two frankenstein boxes (made from donated parts, running RedHat > 8.0) to school and placed them in my classroom where students used > them to conduct internet research, write papers, create slide > presentation, manipulate graphics and more. The vast majority of them > didn't have a clue they were using a different operating system until > I told them. They did notice that the linux boxes didn't crash and > lose their work, though! > I gave the computers away at the end of the year. > > tony > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 1 16:55:26 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:55:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c45f8c$356220a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Steve, The Capio One I received as a demo works nicely! Not sure if it was the C1($200) or the Yestation(from affirmative.net $400 but only 10-watts of power usage) that I had to change something in the bios int19 or something to boot automagically from the nic. I bought mine directly from Neoware and it came with a weak keyboard and weak mouse. I'm strongly considering the Yestations more and more because in roughly 4 years they pay for themselves strictly from energy savings compared to a normal PC...and also mount to the side or back of a monitor =) the Capio One I believe uses ~100 watts. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kossakoski Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:40 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client test Has anyone used the Neoware Capio One thin clients from IBM? We've ordered one for testing. The price for bulk buys (30-50) is fantastic @ about $190. For more info go to : http://www.ibm.com/us/ and type "capio one" in the search box. We're hoping to use these units in a new charter school (sponsored by our school district). The school will use only K12LTSP thin clients, desktops, and laptops. All software will be FOSS. We're excited about the possibilities. Any thoughts you may have would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jul 1 17:24:16 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:24:16 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] display manager not working In-Reply-To: <1088692211.40e41ff3174f3@webmail.valemount.com> References: <1088692211.40e41ff3174f3@webmail.valemount.com> Message-ID: <1088702656.28477.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > can boot the client upto the point where I get a gray screen with an x for the > cursor. I have read 6.6.1 "Gray Screen with large X cursor" several times > and everything seems to be ok. If I follow directions this is what I get > > [root at server gdm]# netstat -ap | grep xdmcp > udp 0 0 *:xdmcp *:* 3628/gdm-binary > so xdmcp seems to be running > > Here is my xdm-config The last time this happened to me, I had an incorrect X_SERVER ip address in the lts.conf file. Apparently 8!=0 Tim From dcoder at valemount.com Thu Jul 1 17:33:45 2004 From: dcoder at valemount.com (dcoder at valemount.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:33:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] display manager not working In-Reply-To: <1088702656.28477.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1088692211.40e41ff3174f3@webmail.valemount.com> <1088702656.28477.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1088703225.40e44af944dbe@webmail.valemount.com> Quoting Timothy Legge : > > can boot the client upto the point where I get a gray screen with an x for > the > > cursor. I have read 6.6.1 "Gray Screen with large X cursor" several > times > > and everything seems to be ok. If I follow directions this is what I get > > > > [root at server gdm]# netstat -ap | grep xdmcp > > udp 0 0 *:xdmcp *:* 3628/gdm-binary > > so xdmcp seems to be running > > > > Here is my xdm-config > > The last time this happened to me, I had an incorrect X_SERVER ip > address in the lts.conf file. Apparently 8!=0 My lts.conf file looks like this. [Default] # IP address of the LTSP server SERVER = 192.168.0.254 # Video drivers for the terminals XSERVER = auto I do not have an entry called X_SERVER but just XSERVER. I am guessing this is what you are looking for though. When I run tail -f I get the message Jul 1 10:23:12 ws253 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.02.13-07:21+0000) Jul 1 10:23:17 ws253 init: Entering runlevel: 5 Jul 1 10:23:17 ws253 init: cannot execute "/etc/X11/prefdm" so something is wrong with prefdm.... > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jul 1 18:29:29 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:29:29 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] display manager not working In-Reply-To: <1088703225.40e44af944dbe@webmail.valemount.com> References: <1088692211.40e41ff3174f3@webmail.valemount.com> <1088702656.28477.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <1088703225.40e44af944dbe@webmail.valemount.com> Message-ID: <1088706569.28559.3.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > > The last time this happened to me, I had an incorrect X_SERVER ip > > address in the lts.conf file. Apparently 8!=0 > My lts.conf file looks like this. > > [Default] > # IP address of the LTSP server > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > > # Video drivers for the terminals > XSERVER = auto > I do not have an entry called X_SERVER but just XSERVER. I am guessing this is > what you are looking for though. Sorry, I mean the SERVER setting. Tim From mross at esd165.org Thu Jul 1 18:32:40 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:32:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End-of-school-year routine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E458C8.5040200@esd165.org> Les Bell wrote: >Not wishing to appear a pedant or anything, but we're alread one month into >winter here, so it's not far off at all. On the other hand, summer >holidays will start in late December, so there's still plenty of time to >spare. > >Remember, it's a big world out there, and on the Internet, you're talking >to a large chunk of it. . . > >Best, > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > Man, I feel like an ignorant jerk. But as my workmate just reminded me, 'ignorance is bliss'. --Matt From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Jul 1 18:32:00 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:32:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] display manager not working In-Reply-To: <1088703225.40e44af944dbe@webmail.valemount.com> References: <1088692211.40e41ff3174f3@webmail.valemount.com> <1088702656.28477.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <1088703225.40e44af944dbe@webmail.valemount.com> Message-ID: <1088706720.8603.6.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Make sure every user is logged off of the machine, and you have all applications closed. As root, type "killall gdm-binary". This will kick everyone off including you! But, reboot the thin client, and you'll have a login screen... (hopefully....) Good luck, -Gideon On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 13:33, dcoder at valemount.com wrote: > Quoting Timothy Legge : > > > > can boot the client upto the point where I get a gray screen with an x for > > the > > > cursor. I have read 6.6.1 "Gray Screen with large X cursor" several > > times > > > and everything seems to be ok. If I follow directions this is what I get > > > > > > [root at server gdm]# netstat -ap | grep xdmcp > > > udp 0 0 *:xdmcp *:* 3628/gdm-binary > > > so xdmcp seems to be running > > > > > > Here is my xdm-config > > > > The last time this happened to me, I had an incorrect X_SERVER ip > > address in the lts.conf file. Apparently 8!=0 > My lts.conf file looks like this. > > [Default] > # IP address of the LTSP server > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > > # Video drivers for the terminals > XSERVER = auto > I do not have an entry called X_SERVER but just XSERVER. I am guessing this is > what you are looking for though. > > When I run tail -f I get the message > > Jul 1 10:23:12 ws253 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.02.13-07:21+0000) > Jul 1 10:23:17 ws253 init: Entering runlevel: 5 > Jul 1 10:23:17 ws253 init: cannot execute "/etc/X11/prefdm" > > so something is wrong with prefdm.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 1 19:26:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:26:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format In-Reply-To: <00bc01c45b1e$59065430$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> <200406252300.33870.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> <00bc01c45b1e$59065430$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <1088710004.16846.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 20:38, John Simovic wrote: > Can anyone tell me why when I follow David's instructions to the letter it > wipes all the dirs /home so the added user can not log on! Did you ever resolve this? The only thing I can think of is that he sets up the autofs server to mount home directories from a different server on demand. As soon as you access something under /home it tries to nfs mount the matching user directory there. If you followed the instructions about auto.master and auto.home but don't have a matching NFS-exported /home something strange would probably happen. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Jul 1 19:44:39 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:44:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040701123855.01af0598@pop.easystreet.com> After a reboot, showmount -e says: mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered After running service nfs restart, I get: Shutting down NFS mountd: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS daemon: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS quotas: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] Starting NFS mountd: [OK] [root at linuxhost root]# showmount -e Export list for linuxhost: / 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0 /home 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0,192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /opt/lts/i386 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0,192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 Then, when I boot the client I get to the grey screen with the X on it. YAY! So, now I'm starting the gdm manager gdm.conf dance. Which scares the hell out of me, because I don't want to trash my server's desktop. But my question is, does anyone know what I need to do to not have to type "service nfs restart" at the command line every time I reboot? I'd love to just reboot this puppy and have everything start up. But I'm not getting anywhere with google, etc. Thanks again... From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 1 20:05:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:05:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040701123855.01af0598@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040701123855.01af0598@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1088712305.16846.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 14:44, Carl Keil wrote: > But my question is, does anyone know what I need to do to not have to type > "service nfs restart" at the command line every time I reboot? I'd love to > just reboot this puppy and have everything start up. But I'm not getting > anywhere with google, etc. Short answer (Redhat's way...) chkconfig --level 345 nfs on Long answer: In /etc/rc.d/init.d there are scripts to start and stop services as you go up and down runlevels. They are written to take an argument of 'start' or 'stop' with optional 'status' and 'restart'. Runlevel 1 = single user 2 = multiuser 3 = network services start 4 = spare 5 = start X for graphical logins 6 = reboot There are /etc/rc.d/rc.? directories for each runlevel. The scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d are symlinked into each runlevel where they should start when the runlevel increases with a name prefixed with S and a number that will alpha-sort into the right startup order. They are symlinked where they should stop when going down runlevels with a name starting with K. The system executes each S* entry (taking advantage of the shell's sorted wildcard expansion to get the right order) with the 'start' argument in each rc.? directory up to the level specified as the default in /etc/inittab at startup. The 'long' scheme has been in SysV unix for 20+ years. RedHat added the 'service' and chkconfig wrappers for convenience and put hints for chkconfig in the init scripts so it knows the number portion of the symlink name. (Actually SGI may have done some of this first, but not all unix or Linux systems have the service/chkconfig commands). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mross at esd165.org Thu Jul 1 20:27:04 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:27:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040701123855.01af0598@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040701123855.01af0598@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <40E47398.3080607@esd165.org> Carl Keil wrote: > After a reboot, showmount -e says: > mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered > > After running service nfs restart, I get: > Shutting down NFS mountd: [FAILED] > Shutting down NFS daemon: [FAILED] > Shutting down NFS quotas: [FAILED] > Shutting down NFS services: [ OK ] > Starting NFS services: [ OK ] > Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] > Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] > Starting NFS mountd: [OK] > > [root at linuxhost root]# showmount -e > Export list for linuxhost: > / 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0 > /home 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0,192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /opt/lts/i386 192.168.0.253/255.255.255.0,192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > > Then, when I boot the client I get to the grey screen with the X on it. > > YAY! > > So, now I'm starting the gdm manager gdm.conf dance. Which scares the > hell out of me, because I don't want to trash my server's desktop. > > But my question is, does anyone know what I need to do to not have to > type "service nfs restart" at the command line every time I reboot? > I'd love to just reboot this puppy and have everything start up. But > I'm not getting anywhere with google, etc. > > Thanks again... > The problem is that you're having /home mounted via NFS in your /etc/fstab file. While that seems like it should work, it doesn't because they system doesn't have NIC drivers or NFS deamons loaded by the time the boot proccess tries to mount all the mountpoints in /etc/fstab. The solution (was what I could find) was to use autofs, an automounter for all kinds of mounted media. What it does is wait until somebody or some proccess tries to access the directory to be mounted, then creates and mounts it all for you using parramiters you provide. /etc/auto.master needs to be edited to add an entry for your new mount point. For example, you could put in the following line: /home /etc/auto.home Then, you'll need to create a /etc/auto.home file which will have your mount options. For example: home -fstype=nfs,-rw :/home Then you should be able to restart autofs ('/etc/init.d/autofs restart') and then try to access the /home directory. Please note, I've not tried this with NFS yet. I've only done a quick test using my CDRom drive. I recommend you read the fine manpages for autofs and auto.master for sanity checks. --Matt From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jul 1 20:35:08 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:35:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Term Server in rdesktop...sound? Message-ID: Ok...this is sorta' cool. I loaded up a Win2K terminal server simply to play around. I wanted to try rdesktop and all. My goal is to get away from having to deploy images and to be able to simply use thin-clients no matter what....in my eventual plan to become solely Linux....but I digress.... Anyway....is it possible in Win2K or Win 2003 terminal server to be able to get sound on the terminals via rdesktop running in K12LTSP? It would allow me to run a couple of *desired* kindergarten and lower level programs like Storybook Weaver and so forth. Is it possible and if so...can you point me to how? Setting up a Win 2003 server is no problem because I have a school agreement and will ge tthe upgrade in a week or so (once I renew *grumble*) Also....any way to increase the color depth on the terminals (rdesktop....Win2K server) to something other than 256? I do realize that it will increase bandwidth, but I'd like to try it out. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 1 20:36:42 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:36:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Term Server in rdesktop...sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1088714202.19918.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 15:35, David Trask wrote: > Anyway....is it possible in Win2K or Win 2003 terminal > server to be able to get sound on the terminals via rdesktop running in > K12LTSP? > Also....any way to increase the color depth on the terminals > (rdesktop....Win2K server) to something other than 256? Both sound and higher color depth are supposed to work in win 2003 but not win2k. I made a half-hearted attempt to make sound work but the server itself didn't have a sound card and it appeared that it skipped installing some parts needed. -Les From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jul 1 21:13:30 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:13:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Term Server in rdesktop...sound? In-Reply-To: <1088714202.19918.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1088714202.19918.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Both sound and higher color depth are supposed to work in win 2003 >but not win2k. Can anyone confirm this? Anyone have the sound working? (Meaning...do you have Windows terminal server session sound working via rdesktop on K12LTSP).... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jul 1 21:29:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:29:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop -s shortcut...more Message-ID: Ok.....the rdesktop -s shortcut works great.....but....how can I write it so that I can pass the logged in username to the Windows box. I use Samba/LDAP....hence the K12LTSP server and the Windows Terminal server both authenticate to the same place....same username and password. How could I write this so that the user simply clicks and they would automatically be logged into the Windows box rather than be presented with a login screen.....possible...or am I crazy? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Jul 1 21:27:55 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:27:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20040701200545.D749B7382E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040701131148.01b36208@pop.easystreet.com> Thanks Les. You're a prince. I love the quick fix, and I love the detailed explanation. What do I owe you? ck At 01:05 PM 7/1/2004, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:05:05 -0500 >From: Les Mikesell >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <1088712305.16846.52.camel at moola.futuresource.com> >Content-Type: text/plain > >On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 14:44, Carl Keil wrote: > > > But my question is, does anyone know what I need to do to not have to type > > "service nfs restart" at the command line every time I reboot? I'd > love to > > just reboot this puppy and have everything start up. But I'm not getting > > anywhere with google, etc. > >Short answer (Redhat's way...) > >chkconfig --level 345 nfs on > >Long answer: > >In /etc/rc.d/init.d there are scripts to start and stop services >as you go up and down runlevels. They are written to take an >argument of 'start' or 'stop' with optional 'status' and 'restart'. >Runlevel > 1 = single user > 2 = multiuser > 3 = network services start > 4 = spare > 5 = start X for graphical logins > 6 = reboot > >There are /etc/rc.d/rc.? directories for each runlevel. The >scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d are symlinked into each runlevel >where they should start when the runlevel increases with a >name prefixed with S and a number that will alpha-sort into >the right startup order. They are symlinked where they should >stop when going down runlevels with a name starting with K. >The system executes each S* entry (taking advantage of the >shell's sorted wildcard expansion to get the right order) with >the 'start' argument in each rc.? directory up to the level >specified as the default in /etc/inittab at startup. The >'long' scheme has been in SysV unix for 20+ years. RedHat >added the 'service' and chkconfig wrappers for convenience >and put hints for chkconfig in the init scripts so it knows >the number portion of the symlink name. (Actually SGI may have >done some of this first, but not all unix or Linux systems >have the service/chkconfig commands). > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 1 22:08:37 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 01 Jul 2004 18:08:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC Setup In-Reply-To: <40E42511.3030103@honeygroveisd.net> References: <40E42511.3030103@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1088719716.30905.1.camel@leigh> read bhaskar mandas article on alternate dhcp at ltsp.org..that will show you how to use nt dhcp to pass boot and root options to ltsp clienta..chuck On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 10:52, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm a total newbie (read idiot) when it comes to Linux, so don't be > afraid bhaskar manto treat me like one- I can handle it. I've got a Windows NT > domain running at the moment, and I want to deploy some LTSP clients > throughout the network. Since I want to have the clients spread out > throughout the network, the default K12LTSP setup in which the server > acts as a router for a lab situation isn't appropriate. Can someone > tell me how configure my server with just one NIC and my clients to get > their IP address from my existing MS DHCP server and then boot from the > Linux server? I await great wisdom. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jul 1 22:47:30 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:47:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP in Spanish? In-Reply-To: <20040701152116.723D873FFC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040701152116.723D873FFC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1088722049.21857.52.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Hello, Anyone here use K12LTSP in a native Spanish setting? I am going to be demoing our lab for someone who is opening an orphanage / school in The Dominican Republic. I'm thinking of setting one of our servers up for Spanish for the demo. Anything I should be aware of? Any input greatly appreciated. If this looks good to them and they can afford to purchase a server we have about 25 - 30 old DeskPro and Optiplex boxes we can donate to their cause. John From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jul 1 23:02:48 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:02:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC Setup In-Reply-To: <40E42511.3030103@honeygroveisd.net> References: <40E42511.3030103@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <40E49818.6020109@cmosnetworks.com> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm a total newbie (read idiot) when it comes to Linux, so don't be > afraid to treat me like one- I can handle it. I've got a Windows NT > domain running at the moment, and I want to deploy some LTSP clients > throughout the network. Since I want to have the clients spread out > throughout the network, the default K12LTSP setup in which the server > acts as a router for a lab situation isn't appropriate. Can someone > tell me how configure my server with just one NIC and my clients to > get their IP address from my existing MS DHCP server and then boot > from the Linux server? I await great wisdom. > Welcome, Mark, to the world of software freedom! You will not regret it, for many reasons. No "great" wisdom here, but as it turns out, this is exactly how I run all of my K12LTSP deployments. In my case, I use a cisco router as the DHCP server, and it works very, very well. I've not played with the Microsoft DHCP server for netbooting, but I would advise you to consider going with something considerably more standards-compliant...say, ISC DHCPD or a cisco router. Windows DHCP servers are notoriously difficult to get anything netbooting, including LTSP clients. That said, here's how you set up the K12LTSP server. Make sure there's a Gig-E card in your server. No, Fast Ethernet isn't good enough; trust us, you *will* need Gigabit Ethernet. If your motherboard includes a Gig-E integrated NIC, that is also supported by the Linux kernel (most are), you're all set. Make sure that your NIC is *not* hooked up to the school LAN at this point. It has to do with DHCP; just trust us and do it for now; we'll get to that. Install K12LTSP, plugging in whatever IP address you've assigned in your IP range; your Gig-E card will be seen as eth0. Note that this presumes that you don't have any other NICs in the box, or if you've got those integrated FastEthernet NICs, that you've disabled 'em in the BIOS. After you install K12LTSP (you still haven't hooked up to the LAN yet, be patient), then you've got just a bit more work to do. Remember that K12LTSP has a built-in DHCP server in it (ISC DHCPD, to be precise), and we need to disable it or else you'll hose your entire LAN. Here we go. Fire up a terminal session, su to root, and do this: [root at takhisis microman]# /sbin/service dhcpd stop This will stop the DHCP "daemon", which is the original name for what Windows people call a "service". On any UNIX or UNIX-like system, they're known as daemons. That's why, BTW, there's that "d" at the end of "dhcpd". OK, great, we've stopped dhcpd, but that's only until the next reboot! Not good. So, we'll tell GNU/Linux to not start it at boot-time, either! Heh heh... [root at takhisis microman]# chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd off *NOW*, you can hook up your K12LTSP server to the LAN. There is one last thing to do on the K12LTSP server. You've got to tweak /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to reflect your actual subnet. This is because the default assumes 192.168.0.*/24. In my case, I run subnets of 10.0.0.0/9, specifically /20's, so 192.168.0.*/24 ain't gonna work for me. You may also need to tweak /etc/hosts to change all the 192.168.0's to whatever your IP subnet is. KEdit's "Find & Replace" function comes in very handy here. That ought to do it for the K12LTSP server. At this point, you get to set your Windows DHCP scope to hand out the proper parameters. Take a look through the archives of this list, because I recall someone posting the specific tweaks that they had to do in Windows to make it work. Of course, you *could* simply switch from using the Windows DHCP service to the ISC DHCPD built into K12LTSP! :-) Seriously, that might be a better solution, since you'll be running a single-NIC K12LTSP server, thus everyone on the LAN can see that server. Hope this helps, --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 1 21:10:33 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:10:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40D1B993.3050207@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000001c45faf$d8e3a690$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > woo hoo! > > The key was, in Eric's advice the command to put in the inittab was: > > esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 > > and it needed to be: > > esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public > > so that others can connect. No environment variable manipulation > required. weeee! > > directly after that is where the X -query command goes. I'll try to > wiki this today, since it's working well. Truly amazing. > Thank you to > everyone involved with LTSP, it's amazing how nice these old > 5500s are > as thick clients! They have: > > 800x600 resolution > 16 bit color > integrated *working* speakers I finally had time to go back and revisit this problem. Still doesn't work for me. However I am trying with the iMac Bondi Blue machines as I have more of these than 5500's. Any idea why the same process won't seem to work on these? I have made the change in lts.conf for SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" and added the esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public to the /etc/inittab along with the X -query stuff. I get sound when running the local YDL but not when running X -query from the server. Could you shoot me a copy of your lts.conf and inittab just to be sure I am not doing something stupid? All of our crappy Bondi iMacs have 160MB of RAM in them as well and just fly as thin clients, with sound they would be awesome, plus the color is great. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 2 09:10:00 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 5:10:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie Message-ID: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Hello All, I am a teacher at a small school who is attempting to break from the cycle of not being able to upgrade operating systems and hardware for budget reasons, by installing the k12 terminal server. I only initially intend to have 7 thin clients to start. I took our best pc and upgraded the RAM to 1 gig, installed a second network card, and a new hard drive with plenty of room on it. I bought the k12 cd package and installed it to my new server. While installing, I tried to follow the default setup as much as possible. Now, I've managed to activate 1 of the nic cards (eth1), which is directly connected to my cable modem. The way I understand it, out of the other nic card, I am to have a cable that connects to my hub. I can't seem to get this activated. Truthfully, I am going to need some help getting this thing up and running. Over the years, I have become better than average with Windows, but am very new to Linux. Eventually, I would like to implement content filtering to the internet access and set it up so my students only have access to certain applications. Can anybody take the time to walk me through this? Thanks! -Will From sjsj at freespace.net Fri Jul 2 09:22:31 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:22:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP in Spanish? In-Reply-To: <1088722049.21857.52.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> References: <20040701152116.723D873FFC@hormel.redhat.com> <1088722049.21857.52.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Message-ID: <40E52957.8090904@freespace.net> John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone here use K12LTSP in a native Spanish setting? > > I am going to be demoing our lab for someone who is opening an orphanage > / school in The Dominican Republic. > > I'm thinking of setting one of our servers up for Spanish for the demo. > > Anything I should be aware of? > > Any input greatly appreciated. When I first played around with K12ltsp last year I installed using English as default language and Spanish as an option. I think all the Apps were Spanish when that option was chosen. You can choose language at log on time. version 3.0 Steve > > If this looks good to them and they can afford to purchase a server we > have about 25 - 30 old DeskPro and Optiplex boxes we can donate to their > cause. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Fri Jul 2 11:05:01 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:05:01 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format References: <40DC9921.5070503@silvervalley.k12.ca.us><200406252300.33870.ghenry@suretecsystems.com><00bc01c45b1e$59065430$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> <1088710004.16846.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c46024$6bc02460$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> Yes Les did resolve. turned off the autofs service and rebooted. worked a treat. thanks for asking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Mikesell" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP how-to in OO format > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 20:38, John Simovic wrote: > > Can anyone tell me why when I follow David's instructions to the letter it > > wipes all the dirs /home so the added user can not log on! > > Did you ever resolve this? The only thing I can think of is that > he sets up the autofs server to mount home directories from > a different server on demand. As soon as you access something > under /home it tries to nfs mount the matching user directory > there. If you followed the instructions about auto.master and > auto.home but don't have a matching NFS-exported /home something > strange would probably happen. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jul 2 11:38:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 07:38:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <40E54919.8010206@cmosnetworks.com> Will Hatch wrote: >Hello All, > >I am a teacher at a small school who is attempting to break from the cycle of not being able to upgrade operating systems and hardware for budget reasons, by installing the k12 terminal server. I only initially intend to have 7 thin clients to start. I took our best pc and upgraded the RAM to 1 gig, installed a second network card, and a new hard drive with plenty of room on it. I bought the k12 cd package and installed it to my new server. While installing, I tried to follow the default setup as much as possible. Now, I've managed to activate 1 of the nic cards (eth1), which is directly connected to my cable modem. The way I understand it, out of the other nic card, I am to have a cable that connects to my hub. I can't seem to get this activated. > >Truthfully, I am going to need some help getting this thing up and running. Over the years, I have become better than average with Windows, but am very new to Linux. Eventually, I would like to implement content filtering to the internet access and set it up so my students only have access to certain applications. Can anybody take the time to walk me through this? Thanks! -Will > We'll do our best. Yes, indeed, you are to have a cable that connects to the hub. Note: it is much, much better if you can hook it up to a switch instead of a hub. Do you know what kind of NIC the one that's not getting activated is? Also, how many clients do you eventually plan to have, and on what timeline? This will likely affect any recommendations you might get from us about the hardware. BTW, you ought to see one of my deployments. Ancient Pentium I's, and they just f-l-y with K12LTSP, so you're going down the right path. --TP From lewis at pcc.com Fri Jul 2 11:37:47 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:37:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <3DE1AB36-CC1C-11D8-936B-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Will, I'm sure plenty of folks can/will help. That is one of the things I love about this list. Everyone wants this project to be a success. I know I do. You mentioned that you tried to follow the default setup. Does that mean that certain options that the documentation indicated should be available were not presented? Or are there items you turned off? If one of the NIC's is not working, then it is either unsupported by linux or broken. If you send along the NIC types to the list you will likely find out which it is. It could save a great deal of hair and time to go by a supported NIC rather than trying to troubleshoot an unsupported item. It could also be the NIC is very new and the drivers were not available when the CD's were made. If this is the case then it's time to build drivers. (scary at first but very satisfying). When your system boots a log is created. Take a look /var/log/dmesg it is full of info (greek if your new to this) that can help determine the problem. Post it here and we can help you debug it. Lewis On Jul 2, 2004, at 5:10 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > Hello All, > > I am a teacher at a small school who is attempting to break from the > cycle of not being able to upgrade operating systems and hardware for > budget reasons, by installing the k12 terminal server. I only > initially intend to have 7 thin clients to start. I took our best pc > and upgraded the RAM to 1 gig, installed a second network card, and a > new hard drive with plenty of room on it. I bought the k12 cd package > and installed it to my new server. While installing, I tried to > follow the default setup as much as possible. Now, I've managed to > activate 1 of the nic cards (eth1), which is directly connected to my > cable modem. The way I understand it, out of the other nic card, I am > to have a cable that connects to my hub. I can't seem to get this > activated. > > Truthfully, I am going to need some help getting this thing up and > running. Over the years, I have become better than average with > Windows, but am very new to Linux. Eventually, I would like to > implement content filtering to the internet access and set it up so my > students only have access to certain applications. Can anybody take > the time to walk me through this? Thanks! -Will > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 2 11:39:20 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 02 Jul 2004 07:39:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1088768360.5485.1.camel@leigh> Will: best thing is to use irc channel #ltsp on freenode.net Someone is bound to be there and can help you..I think i will be skippering today so won't be there..chuck. Hello All, > > I am a teacher at a small school who is attempting to break from the cycle of not being able to upgrade operating systems and hardware for budget reasons, by installing the k12 terminal server. I only initially intend to have 7 thin clients to start. I took our best pc and upgraded the RAM to 1 gig, installed a second network card, and a new hard drive with plenty of room on it. I bought the k12 cd package and installed it to my new server. While installing, I tried to follow the default setup as much as possible. Now, I've managed to activate 1 of the nic cards (eth1), which is directly connected to my cable modem. The way I understand it, out of the other nic card, I am to have a cable that connects to my hub. I can't seem to get this activated. > > Truthfully, I am going to need some help getting this thing up and running. Over the years, I have become better than average with Windows, but am very new to Linux. Eventually, I would like to implement content filtering to the internet access and set it up so my students only have access to certain applications. Can anybody take the time to walk me through this? Thanks! -Will > ode.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 2 12:27:37 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 8:27:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie Message-ID: <20040702122737.TPRR12887.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Thanks for the quick reply TP. I've looked up under the hardware browser and found this out about my network cards: Ethernet 100/10 mbit manufacturer: Davicom Semiconductor inc driver: dmfe device: /dev/eth0 this is the card I have attached to the cable modem, and it works. I am using it to write to you now. It seems that the internet connection works slower than it should. Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 model nc100 manufacturer: Linksys driver: tulip device: /dev/eth1 That is what I know of the nic cards. The setup at the school is this: my room is the computer lab. There are 6 computers currently here. I have taken one and made a server out of it (what I am currently using to communicate with you right now). The server will be located in this room, and there will be 5 workstations for now. I would like to add 1 more in the future. There are two other rooms in the school, each having 1 pc with internet access. Eventually it would be nice to add 5 workstations in each of these rooms. However, by September 1st I would like to have seven workstations (5 in the lab and one each in the other rooms. These will be workstations for teachers. Students only use computers in the lab). I have two other pieces of equipment currently in use. Netgear 8 port DS108 dual speed hub Dlink DI704 router. Our network is very cobbed up. Some of the computer have been utilizing windows 98, some xp home/pro. The other teachers computers (not in the lab), were connected to the router. I believe this was so they could have access to the internet while it not being available in the lab to students. Will this hub work? I'm not sure where to connect the cable from eth1. Look forward to hearing form you again! Will > > From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 07:38:01 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] newbie > > Will Hatch wrote: > > >Hello All, > > > >I am a teacher at a small school who is attempting to break from the cycle of not being able to upgrade operating systems and hardware for budget reasons, by installing the k12 terminal server. I only initially intend to have 7 thin clients to start. I took our best pc and upgraded the RAM to 1 gig, installed a second network card, and a new hard drive with plenty of room on it. I bought the k12 cd package and installed it to my new server. While installing, I tried to follow the default setup as much as possible. Now, I've managed to activate 1 of the nic cards (eth1), which is directly connected to my cable modem. The way I understand it, out of the other nic card, I am to have a cable that connects to my hub. I can't seem to get this activated. > > > >Truthfully, I am going to need some help getting this thing up and running. Over the years, I have become better than average with Windows, but am very new to Linux. Eventually, I would like to implement content filtering to the internet access and set it up so my students only have access to certain applications. Can anybody take the time to walk me through this? Thanks! -Will > > > > We'll do our best. Yes, indeed, you are to have a cable that connects > to the hub. Note: it is much, much better if you can hook it up to a > switch instead of a hub. Do you know what kind of NIC the one that's > not getting activated is? > > Also, how many clients do you eventually plan to have, and on what > timeline? This will likely affect any recommendations you might get > from us about the hardware. > > BTW, you ought to see one of my deployments. Ancient Pentium I's, and > they just f-l-y with K12LTSP, so you're going down the right path. > > --TP > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 2 12:27:52 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 02 Jul 2004 08:27:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: <40E54919.8010206@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040702091000.XECI13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <40E54919.8010206@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1088771272.25056.10.camel@leigh> why don't you try sending the output of lspci -vvv to us.that should show your nics..then we can look for a driver....chuck From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 2 12:42:23 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 8:42:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie Message-ID: <20040702124223.HZOM23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Thanks for the reply. I think I am ok with nic card drivers. I am actually using a card I just bought. It is the original that isn't working. It worked fine with our windows peer-to-peer cobbed up setup. I just replied to another post with all the info on my nic cards. Thanks! Will From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 2 12:48:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 02 Jul 2004 08:48:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: <20040702122737.TPRR12887.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702122737.TPRR12887.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1088772485.25505.2.camel@leigh> jst be sure eth0 is your internal (or ltsp side) as your dhcp runs by default on eth0..if it were me i'd take one client and use a crossover cable to connect to your eth0 server toeliminate any network inconsistencies..chuck On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 08:27, Will Hatch wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply TP. I've looked up under the > hardware browser and found this out about my network > cards: > Ethernet 100/10 mbit > manufacturer: Davicom Semiconductor inc > driver: dmfe > device: /dev/eth0 > this is the card I have attached to the cable modem, and > it works. I am using it to write to you now. It seems > that the internet connection works slower than it should. > > Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 > model nc100 > manufacturer: Linksys > driver: tulip > device: /dev/eth1 > > That is what I know of the nic cards. > > The setup at the school is this: my room is the computer > lab. There are 6 computers currently here. I have taken > one and made a server out of it (what I am currently using > to communicate with you right now). The server will be > located in this room, and there will be 5 workstations for > now. I would like to add 1 more in the future. There are > two other rooms in the school, each having 1 pc with > internet access. Eventually it would be nice to add 5 > workstations in each of these rooms. However, by September > 1st I would like to have seven workstations (5 in the lab > and one each in the other rooms. These will be > workstations for teachers. Students only use computers in > the lab). > > I have two other pieces of equipment currently in use. > > Netgear 8 port DS108 dual speed hub > Dlink DI704 router. > > Our network is very cobbed up. Some of the computer have > been utilizing windows 98, some xp home/pro. The other > teachers computers (not in the lab), were connected to the > router. I believe this was so they could have access to > the internet while it not being available in the lab to > students. Will this hub work? I'm not sure where to > connect the cable from eth1. > > Look forward to hearing form you again! > > Will > > > > > > > > > From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." > > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 07:38:01 EDT > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] newbie > > > > Will Hatch wrote: > > > > >Hello All, > > > > > >I am a teacher at a small school who is attempting to > break from the cycle of not being able to upgrade > operating systems and hardware for budget reasons, by > installing the k12 terminal server. I only initially > intend to have 7 thin clients to start. I took our best > pc and upgraded the RAM to 1 gig, installed a second > network card, and a new hard drive with plenty of room on > it. I bought the k12 cd package and installed it to my > new server. While installing, I tried to follow the > default setup as much as possible. Now, I've managed to > activate 1 of the nic cards (eth1), which is directly > connected to my cable modem. The way I understand it, out > of the other nic card, I am to have a cable that connects > to my hub. I can't seem to get this activated. > > > > > >Truthfully, I am going to need some help getting this > thing up and running. Over the years, I have become > better than average with Windows, but am very new to > Linux. Eventually, I would like to implement content > filtering to the internet access and set it up so my > students only have access to certain applications. Can > anybody take the time to walk me through this? Thanks! > -Will > > > > > > > We'll do our best. Yes, indeed, you are to have a cable > that connects > > to the hub. Note: it is much, much better if you can > hook it up to a > > switch instead of a hub. Do you know what kind of NIC > the one that's > > not getting activated is? > > > > Also, how many clients do you eventually plan to have, > and on what > > timeline? This will likely affect any recommendations > you might get > > from us about the hardware. > > > > BTW, you ought to see one of my deployments. Ancient > Pentium I's, and > > they just f-l-y with K12LTSP, so you're going down the > right path. > > > > --TP > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lewis at pcc.com Fri Jul 2 12:59:29 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:59:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: <20040702122737.TPRR12887.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702122737.TPRR12887.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: I just remembered a strange problem that has hunted us since 9 was released. The install process found both NIC's eth0 and eth1 and all was well until the OS was installed and the machine rebooted. At the point that the newly installed OS boots the NIC's were reversed. eth0 became eth1 and visa versa. We wrote a custom ks.cfg to get around this but it involved the following. Editing /etc/modules.conf and switching the eth0 alias to be eth1 and eth1 to eth0. Then making the same change in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ and moving ifcfg-eth0 to ifcfg-eth0.old, moving ifcfg-eth1 to ifcfg-eth0, then moving ifcfg-eth0.old to ifcfg-eth1. Gross but solved the problem. One day we'll work out why the PCI bus is scanned differently by the OS vs the boot CD. If any one already knows why, I'd love to know. Lewis On Jul 2, 2004, at 8:27 AM, Will Hatch wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply TP. I've looked up under the > hardware browser and found this out about my network > cards: > Ethernet 100/10 mbit > manufacturer: Davicom Semiconductor inc > driver: dmfe > device: /dev/eth0 > this is the card I have attached to the cable modem, and > it works. I am using it to write to you now. It seems > that the internet connection works slower than it should. > > Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 > model nc100 > manufacturer: Linksys > driver: tulip > device: /dev/eth1 > > That is what I know of the nic cards. > > The setup at the school is this: my room is the computer > lab. There are 6 computers currently here. I have taken > one and made a server out of it (what I am currently using > to communicate with you right now). The server will be > located in this room, and there will be 5 workstations for > now. I would like to add 1 more in the future. There are > two other rooms in the school, each having 1 pc with > internet access. Eventually it would be nice to add 5 > workstations in each of these rooms. However, by September > 1st I would like to have seven workstations (5 in the lab > and one each in the other rooms. These will be > workstations for teachers. Students only use computers in > the lab). > > I have two other pieces of equipment currently in use. > > Netgear 8 port DS108 dual speed hub > Dlink DI704 router. > > Our network is very cobbed up. Some of the computer have > been utilizing windows 98, some xp home/pro. The other > teachers computers (not in the lab), were connected to the > router. I believe this was so they could have access to > the internet while it not being available in the lab to > students. Will this hub work? I'm not sure where to > connect the cable from eth1. > > Look forward to hearing form you again! > > Will > > > > > >> >> From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >> Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 07:38:01 EDT >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] newbie >> >> Will Hatch wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I am a teacher at a small school who is attempting to > break from the cycle of not being able to upgrade > operating systems and hardware for budget reasons, by > installing the k12 terminal server. I only initially > intend to have 7 thin clients to start. I took our best > pc and upgraded the RAM to 1 gig, installed a second > network card, and a new hard drive with plenty of room on > it. I bought the k12 cd package and installed it to my > new server. While installing, I tried to follow the > default setup as much as possible. Now, I've managed to > activate 1 of the nic cards (eth1), which is directly > connected to my cable modem. The way I understand it, out > of the other nic card, I am to have a cable that connects > to my hub. I can't seem to get this activated. >>> >>> Truthfully, I am going to need some help getting this > thing up and running. Over the years, I have become > better than average with Windows, but am very new to > Linux. Eventually, I would like to implement content > filtering to the internet access and set it up so my > students only have access to certain applications. Can > anybody take the time to walk me through this? Thanks! > -Will >>> >> >> We'll do our best. Yes, indeed, you are to have a cable > that connects >> to the hub. Note: it is much, much better if you can > hook it up to a >> switch instead of a hub. Do you know what kind of NIC > the one that's >> not getting activated is? >> >> Also, how many clients do you eventually plan to have, > and on what >> timeline? This will likely affect any recommendations > you might get >> from us about the hardware. >> >> BTW, you ought to see one of my deployments. Ancient > Pentium I's, and >> they just f-l-y with K12LTSP, so you're going down the > right path. >> >> --TP >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 2 13:12:59 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 9:12:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie Message-ID: <20040702131259.BBGL13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> In my long-winded reply to your original post, I made the mistake of saying it was eth0 that I have connected to the cable modem. It is actually eth1 that is connected to the modem. Maybe this will help get me on track. -Will From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 2 13:58:18 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:58:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop -s shortcut...more In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E569FA.7070508@inlandlakes.org> I think possible to pass the username, but the password would be more difficult. I look at it as a way for Windows to cause annoyance. One more reason not to use it! :oD David Trask wrote: > Ok.....the rdesktop -s shortcut works great.....but....how can I write it > so that I can pass the logged in username to the Windows box. I use > Samba/LDAP....hence the K12LTSP server and the Windows Terminal server > both authenticate to the same place....same username and password. How > could I write this so that the user simply clicks and they would > automatically be logged into the Windows box rather than be presented with > a login screen.....possible...or am I crazy? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 2 14:03:06 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:03:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <000001c45faf$d8e3a690$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000001c45faf$d8e3a690$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40E56B1A.9070907@inlandlakes.org> Off the cuff -- you mentioned that you put the X -query stuff in there, but did you comment out the line with "prefdm" etc in it? (You must do that I think... we don't want it to start a local X session...) I'll get the files to you ASAP. -Shawn Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>woo hoo! >> >>The key was, in Eric's advice the command to put in the inittab was: >> >>esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 >> >>and it needed to be: >> >>esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public >> >>so that others can connect. No environment variable manipulation >>required. weeee! >> >>directly after that is where the X -query command goes. I'll try to >>wiki this today, since it's working well. Truly amazing. >>Thank you to >>everyone involved with LTSP, it's amazing how nice these old >>5500s are >>as thick clients! They have: >> >>800x600 resolution >>16 bit color >>integrated *working* speakers > > > I finally had time to go back and revisit this problem. Still doesn't > work for me. However I am trying with the iMac Bondi Blue machines as I > have more of these than 5500's. Any idea why the same process won't > seem to work on these? I have made the change in lts.conf for > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" and added the esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp > -port 16001 -public to the /etc/inittab along with the X -query stuff. > I get sound when running the local YDL but not when running X -query > from the server. Could you shoot me a copy of your lts.conf and inittab > just to be sure I am not doing something stupid? All of our crappy > Bondi iMacs have 160MB of RAM in them as well and just fly as thin > clients, with sound they would be awesome, plus the color is great. > > Thanks > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 2 14:11:51 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:11:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40E56B1A.9070907@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001e01c4603e$859e7610$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks, I'll go check the inittab now. If you could get me those files that would be awesome, there is no substitution for a line by line comparison. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:03 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] > > > Off the cuff -- you mentioned that you put the X -query stuff > in there, > but did you comment out the line with "prefdm" etc in it? > (You must do > that I think... we don't want it to start a local X session...) > > I'll get the files to you ASAP. > > -Shawn > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>woo hoo! > >> > >>The key was, in Eric's advice the command to put in the inittab was: > >> > >>esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 > >> > >>and it needed to be: > >> > >>esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public > >> > >>so that others can connect. No environment variable manipulation > >>required. weeee! > >> > >>directly after that is where the X -query command goes. I'll try to > >>wiki this today, since it's working well. Truly amazing. > >>Thank you to > >>everyone involved with LTSP, it's amazing how nice these old > >>5500s are > >>as thick clients! They have: > >> > >>800x600 resolution > >>16 bit color > >>integrated *working* speakers > > > > > > I finally had time to go back and revisit this problem. > Still doesn't > > work for me. However I am trying with the iMac Bondi Blue > machines as > > I have more of these than 5500's. Any idea why the same > process won't > > seem to work on these? I have made the change in lts.conf for > > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" and added the esd:5:once:/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps > > -tcp -port 16001 -public to the /etc/inittab along with the > X -query > > stuff. I get sound when running the local YDL but not when > running X > > -query from the server. Could you shoot me a copy of your lts.conf > > and inittab just to be sure I am not doing something > stupid? All of > > our crappy Bondi iMacs have 160MB of RAM in them as well > and just fly > > as thin clients, with sound they would be awesome, plus the > color is > > great. > > > > Thanks > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 2 14:11:35 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:11:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40E56B1A.9070907@inlandlakes.org> References: <000001c45faf$d8e3a690$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40E56B1A.9070907@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40E56D17.6000809@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > I'll get the files to you ASAP. I am attaching the files. If attachments are not allowed, I'll copy/paste them. (I don't remember if this list allows attachments or not...) -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: lts.conf.txt URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: inittab.txt URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 2 14:15:57 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:15:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40E56D17.6000809@inlandlakes.org> References: <000001c45faf$d8e3a690$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40E56B1A.9070907@inlandlakes.org> <40E56D17.6000809@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40E56E1D.9010805@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: >> I'll get the files to you ASAP. Another note -- the ltsp.conf file does not reference the mac's MAC address. FYI. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 2 14:18:38 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:18:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40E56D17.6000809@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002801c4603f$781206f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > I am attaching the files. If attachments are not allowed, I'll > copy/paste them. (I don't remember if this list allows > attachments or > not...) They came through just fine. I will go check the configs now. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From dcoder at valemount.com Fri Jul 2 14:22:34 2004 From: dcoder at valemount.com (dcoder at valemount.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:22:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: <20040702131259.BBGL13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702131259.BBGL13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1088778154.40e56faa5fd66@webmail.valemount.com> Hi Will and others, I am in the same boat as Will (perhaps a little more linux knowledge...but maybe not) since I am just starting to set up a ltsp network. I have got to the point of trying to get my client to boot but I am stuck at getting prefdm to run on the client. Can anyone point me in a direction on how to trouble shoot this? Everything has Quoting Will Hatch : > In my long-winded reply to your original post, I made the > mistake of saying it was eth0 that I have connected to the > cable modem. It is actually eth1 that is connected to the > modem. Maybe this will help get me on track. -Will > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 2 14:55:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:55:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <002801c4603f$781206f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002901c46044$9e035e40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > They came through just fine. I will go check the configs now. I checked out the configs and the local inittab on the mac matched your perfect. The lts.conf however had quite a few differences. I made it all identical to your other than loading GLX (for some reason I had errors with it) and without the specific configs for the workstations. Still no luck. Which version of LTSP are you using? My test box is still running 3.1.2 since 4.0.1 crashed on my dual intel box all of the time. Sound on the server works, sound on the mac works when booted locally, both configs match yours identical (except for the noted diff in lts.conf). Any other ideas? My only thought is that I have a different version of LTSP than you. Do you have a Bondi iMac to try on your system to see if they work? Maybe it is just not recognizing the sound card? > Another note -- the ltsp.conf file does not reference the mac's MAC > address. FYI. By this I assume that you mean all mac settings are the default and the WS configs are for the PC's on the network? That is why I left out the WS configs. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us Fri Jul 2 15:32:06 2004 From: jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us (Jeff Davis) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:32:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with ldap-based accounts and xdm (fedora core 2) Message-ID: <40E57FF6.40803@standard.k12.ca.us> Hi, Got my Samba PDC up and running, using the smbldap-tools set of scripts. Everything seems fine until I try to log into an X session via xdm. It thinks for a few moments and then pukes out the following: /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "test1" /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 140: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients: No such file or directory /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 140: exec: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients: cannot execute: No such file or directory Logging as user test1, i find I have permissions to execute, so I'm not sure what xdm's trip is... Local machine accounts do not seem to experience this. My suspicion is that this may be a pam problem. My pam system-auth is as follows: #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so password requisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_authtok password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so I can send additional conf file content (nssswitch, slapd, ldap (/etc & /etc/openldap), and whatever else. I'm kinda stumped. Thanks, -Jeff -- Jefferson K. Davis Technology and Information Systems Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 USA 661-392-2110 ext 120 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 2 15:46:56 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:46:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <002901c46044$9e035e40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002901c46044$9e035e40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40E58370.7000105@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Any other ideas? My only thought is that I have a What I did, is to *not start* with the /etc/inittab method. I started the computer in runlevel 3 (text only) and logged in as root. Then I started esd by hand at the commandline. I didnt' use the special port flag. Basically, something like: esd -nobeeps -tcp -public And then tried to play sound to it from another workstation. (I don't remember the command to play sound, but just type esd and see what esd tools are available, one of them allows you to play sounds to remote computers) Once I got sound working from a remote client to the local mac, I knew I was in business. :) The next step I took was to type the esd command with the -port extension (still at the commandline) with an & after it to keep it in the background. Then, I ran (from the commandline) X -query ser.ver.ip.addy -- to connect to the session. I magically had sound when I opened an xterm window and typed "esdplay filename.wav" -- and THEN I started working on getting it automatic. First, I got the /etc/inittab esd stuff to be automatic (still booting to a commandline) and then added the X -query stuff. Hopefully, if you do it one step at a time, you can find where the glitch is at. I'll help as much as I can -- but I dont' think I have any Bondi iMacs around (at least not that I could mangle into a penguin suit) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 2 16:18:42 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:18:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Manager Question Message-ID: <40E58AE2.7070409@inlandlakes.org> I have the pleasure of introducing LTSP to our entire district next fall. The teachers will come in with a thin client on their desktop. I would like some feedback from those of you that have been "in the trenches" with window managers. Here are my thoughts: 1) I have the horsepower to allow KDE or Gnome to everyone next year. 2) Once things "catch on" and more and more clients are added in the classrooms, I worry that eventually KDE/Gnome will start to be to bloated to keep my monster servers happy. 3) Does it make sense to START the introduction to linux with IceWM? I have zero expectations, other than "it has to work" I figure, IceWM will give me the room to grow, and I won't have to take away the eye candy of KDE/Gnome when we start to grow. 4) I guess my question is, those of you using Gnome/KDE for your clients -- do you wish you'd have started with IceWM? Those of you using IceWM, do you wish you'd have started with KDE/Gnome? 5) Please don't suggest xfce or windowmaker -- my choices are really to go "all out" with eye candy, or to use IceWM. I'm leaning towards IceWM, but if anyone has any suggestions or reasons that KDE/Gnome would be better, please let me know. Thoughts? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 2 16:49:05 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:49:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40E58370.7000105@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <004301c46054$7c358c60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Hopefully, if you do it one step at a time, you can find where the > glitch is at. > > I'll help as much as I can -- but I dont' think I have any > Bondi iMacs > around (at least not that I could mangle into a penguin suit) Thanks for the step by step. I'll start messing around a little more and see what happens. If I find the problem I'll post back out to the list with where it was. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 2 16:50:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:50:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <1088712305.16846.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000201c46054$b5290420$1803010a@paasda.org> Les, This is the sort of "Meat and Potatoes" I've been looking to find for years. Could you by chance recommend a book or two where in-depth information like this can be found? Yeah it's nice to know the 'short answer'...but it doesn't allow one to understand WHAT is going on...and why. Thanks for sharing some of your guru-ness!! =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 14:44, Carl Keil wrote: > But my question is, does anyone know what I need to do to not have to > type > "service nfs restart" at the command line every time I reboot? I'd love to > just reboot this puppy and have everything start up. But I'm not getting > anywhere with google, etc. Short answer (Redhat's way...) chkconfig --level 345 nfs on Long answer: In /etc/rc.d/init.d there are scripts to start and stop services as you go up and down runlevels. They are written to take an argument of 'start' or 'stop' with optional 'status' and 'restart'. Runlevel 1 = single user 2 = multiuser 3 = network services start 4 = spare 5 = start X for graphical logins 6 = reboot There are /etc/rc.d/rc.? directories for each runlevel. The scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d are symlinked into each runlevel where they should start when the runlevel increases with a name prefixed with S and a number that will alpha-sort into the right startup order. They are symlinked where they should stop when going down runlevels with a name starting with K. The system executes each S* entry (taking advantage of the shell's sorted wildcard expansion to get the right order) with the 'start' argument in each rc.? directory up to the level specified as the default in /etc/inittab at startup. The 'long' scheme has been in SysV unix for 20+ years. RedHat added the 'service' and chkconfig wrappers for convenience and put hints for chkconfig in the init scripts so it knows the number portion of the symlink name. (Actually SGI may have done some of this first, but not all unix or Linux systems have the service/chkconfig commands). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 2 17:11:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:11:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Manager Question In-Reply-To: <40E58AE2.7070409@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000401c46057$a45e9620$1803010a@paasda.org> Shawn, I'd go with IceWM for 3 main reasons... #1..it looks more like "windows" (perceived as a minimal change) #2..makes things "seem" faster (perceived as.."Hey! Word doesn't load that fast on my computer and I have 1 gig of ram!") since you aren't likely to come close to maxing out your server to do this "introduction" #3..I personally don't think much 'eye candy' is lost. some supporting reasons...I won't have enough $$$$$ or time to set up load balancing with another server therefore I need the entire campus (about 70 student machines, no staff) to be able to run off of ONE pimp'd out server. Not sure what your set up will be like...but your #1 "I have the horsepower to allow KDE or Gnome to everyone next year. This comment makes me think that maybe you COULD implement/demonstrate all 3...simple because some on this list for sure favor KDE or Gnome or IceWM and even IceWMLite...as a personal preferance...you could show them how it allows 'personalization' and the different looks of each. etc etc...without ruining it for everyone like Window's Theming does...*grumble* --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:19 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Window Manager Question I have the pleasure of introducing LTSP to our entire district next fall. The teachers will come in with a thin client on their desktop. I would like some feedback from those of you that have been "in the trenches" with window managers. Here are my thoughts: 1) I have the horsepower to allow KDE or Gnome to everyone next year. 2) Once things "catch on" and more and more clients are added in the classrooms, I worry that eventually KDE/Gnome will start to be to bloated to keep my monster servers happy. 3) Does it make sense to START the introduction to linux with IceWM? I have zero expectations, other than "it has to work" I figure, IceWM will give me the room to grow, and I won't have to take away the eye candy of KDE/Gnome when we start to grow. 4) I guess my question is, those of you using Gnome/KDE for your clients -- do you wish you'd have started with IceWM? Those of you using IceWM, do you wish you'd have started with KDE/Gnome? 5) Please don't suggest xfce or windowmaker -- my choices are really to go "all out" with eye candy, or to use IceWM. I'm leaning towards IceWM, but if anyone has any suggestions or reasons that KDE/Gnome would be better, please let me know. Thoughts? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 2 17:54:46 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:54:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Manager Question In-Reply-To: <000401c46057$a45e9620$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000401c46057$a45e9620$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40E5A166.20205@inlandlakes.org> Hmm... I do like the idea of "choice" (go figure, eh?) -- perhaps DEFAULTING to IceWM, but allowing KDE and/or Gnome would be a good option. That way, I could make it well known that if our servers start to feel the pain of growth, KDE and Gnome may be taken offline. The one thing that stops me from going all out with IceWM is that you can't configure the taskbar, etc easily. Yes, I know there are tools (iceme, icepref, etc) but no simple "right click and select 'add application'" like in KDE/Gnome. I'll keep pondering. Thanks for the input. :) I still have no idea what I'll end up doing. :) Huck wrote: > Shawn, > > I'd go with IceWM for 3 main reasons... > > #1..it looks more like "windows" (perceived as a minimal change) > > #2..makes things "seem" faster (perceived as.."Hey! Word doesn't load > that fast on my computer and I have 1 gig of ram!") > since you aren't likely to come close to maxing out your server to do > this "introduction" > > #3..I personally don't think much 'eye candy' is lost. > > some supporting reasons...I won't have enough $$$$$ or time to set up > load balancing with another server > therefore I need the entire campus (about 70 student machines, no staff) > to be able to run off of ONE pimp'd out server. > > Not sure what your set up will be like...but your #1 "I have the > horsepower to allow KDE or Gnome to everyone next year. > This comment makes me think that maybe you COULD implement/demonstrate > all 3...simple because some on this list for sure favor > KDE or Gnome or IceWM and even IceWMLite...as a personal > preferance...you could show them how it allows 'personalization' and > the different looks of each. etc etc...without ruining it for everyone > like Window's Theming does...*grumble* > > --Huck > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:19 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Window Manager Question > > > I have the pleasure of introducing LTSP to our entire district next > fall. The teachers will come in with a thin client on their desktop. I > > would like some feedback from those of you that have been "in the > trenches" with window managers. Here are my thoughts: > > 1) I have the horsepower to allow KDE or Gnome to everyone next year. > > 2) Once things "catch on" and more and more clients are added in the > classrooms, I worry that eventually KDE/Gnome will start to be to > bloated to keep my monster servers happy. > > 3) Does it make sense to START the introduction to linux with IceWM? I > have zero expectations, other than "it has to work" I figure, IceWM > will give me the room to grow, and I won't have to take away the eye > candy of KDE/Gnome when we start to grow. > > 4) I guess my question is, those of you using Gnome/KDE for your clients > > -- do you wish you'd have started with IceWM? Those of you using IceWM, > > do you wish you'd have started with KDE/Gnome? > > 5) Please don't suggest xfce or windowmaker -- my choices are really to > go "all out" with eye candy, or to use IceWM. I'm leaning towards > IceWM, but if anyone has any suggestions or reasons that KDE/Gnome would > > be better, please let me know. > > > Thoughts? > -Shawn > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 2 18:45:45 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:45:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems Message-ID: <20040702184546.IJZB13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Hi All, Thanks for the good advice. I have succeeded in getting my internet connection to work brilliantly through eth1. Now, I have my network cable going out of eth0 to my hub, then to a workstation. The light is showing on the back of the server on eth1, on the hub, and on the back of the workstation. When I turn on the workstation it searches for DHCP then gives me the message "no DHCP or boottp offers received", then it boots to the hard drive. Any ideas? The network card that is working over eth1 is a new card I just purchased. The card that isn't working is the original card from the pc. It worked fine with our peer-to-peer windows network. Thanks! -Will From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 2 18:56:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:56:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Routing In-Reply-To: <40E334E0.4010507@litwiller.net> References: <20040629121548.6D6BC816C4@fizban> <40E21DE7.3070200@cmosnetworks.com> <40B96B1E.4070402@litwiller.net> <40E334E0.4010507@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1088794568.5154.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 16:47, Tim Litwiller wrote: > here is the information from an earlier post - even tho I can find it in > the achives - it was in my ent folder > > edit /etc/sysctrl.conf > > you need these 2 lines > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 If all machines are on their appropriate subnets and use the central server as their default gateway you don't need to proxy_arp. > then add your routes like this > route add -net xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmaks xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx All the directly attached networks should be known by their netmask and shouldn't need explict routes. > then make the config files that will reload those routes on a reboot > touch /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/route-ethx > > where ethx is each of your interfaces that have routes associated with them > > then grep your already setup routes into the config files you just created If you do need to add routes through other gateways you can use the Redhat/fedora GUI tool (system tools/network) and add the routes using the 'route' tab of the 'edit interface' screen on the interface facing the gateway. Then the system will automatically add/remove them as that interface goes up/down. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Jul 2 18:59:13 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:59:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie In-Reply-To: References: <20040702122737.TPRR12887.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <40E5B081.9010304@lqt.ca> Lewis Holcroft wrote: > I just remembered a strange problem that has hunted us since 9 was > released. > > The install process found both NIC's eth0 and eth1 and all was well > until the OS was installed and the machine rebooted. At the point that > the newly installed OS boots the NIC's were reversed. eth0 became eth1 > and visa versa. We wrote a custom ks.cfg to get around this but it > involved the following. > > Editing /etc/modules.conf and switching the eth0 alias to be eth1 and > eth1 to eth0. Then making the same change in > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ and moving ifcfg-eth0 to > ifcfg-eth0.old, moving ifcfg-eth1 to ifcfg-eth0, then moving > ifcfg-eth0.old to ifcfg-eth1. Gross but solved the problem. > > One day we'll work out why the PCI bus is scanned differently by the > OS vs the boot CD. If any one already knows why, I'd love to know. > > Lewis WHEW!!!! - So I'm not crazy! This network card musical chairs has been happening to me on and off with many different machines since rh7.3 until FC2. I thought it was just me always getting eth0 and eth1 mixed up and forgetting which was which after the reboot. At last I can erase that big red 'insane' stamp from my forehead :/ thanks alot! -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Jul 2 19:08:20 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:08:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems In-Reply-To: <20040702184546.IJZB13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702184546.IJZB13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <40E5B2A4.9050701@lqt.ca> Will Hatch wrote: >Hi All, > >Thanks for the good advice. I have succeeded in getting my internet connection to work brilliantly through eth1. > good > Now, I have my network cable going out of eth0 to my hub, then to a workstation. > good > The light is showing on the back of the server on eth1, on the hub, and on the back of the workstation. > we know that eth1 is ok because you can use the internet ... is the light showing on eth0 is what we need to know here ... > When I turn on the workstation it searches for DHCP then gives me the message "no DHCP or boottp offers received", then it boots to the hard drive. > on the server - 'service dhcpd status' it should be running ... > Any ideas? The network card that is working over eth1 is a new card I just purchased. > i have a Davicom (dmfe) like your eth1 in my linux machine too and it works just fine .. > The card that isn't working is the original card from the pc. It worked fine with our peer-to-peer windows network. > you can try 'mii-tools eth0' to see if the card is up and running ok > Thanks! -Will > > no worries - keep the detailed info coming ... and fast coz its friday avo. and weekend is fast approaching :) pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 2 19:29:33 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:29:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems Message-ID: <20040702192933.YPGJ14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Paul, There are two lights on eth0. One is flashing rapidly, one more slowly. When the light that is flashing more slowly flashes, it makes the light that is flashing rapidly stay on for just a wee-bit longer. Where the network cable is attached to my hub, the light is flashing slowly like one of the lights on eth0 on the back of the server. When I try to input the commands you recommended, in the shell window, it says "command not found". Do I need to be logged in as root? How do I log in as root for this purpose. I have been fooling with the network configuration utility and it asks me for the root password. I just don't know how to open a login screen for the root. > > From: Paul Pianta > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri PM 03:08:20 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] network card problems > > Will Hatch wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >Thanks for the good advice. I have succeeded in getting my internet connection to work brilliantly through eth1. > > > good > > > Now, I have my network cable going out of eth0 to my hub, then to a workstation. > > > good > > > The light is showing on the back of the server on eth1, on the hub, and on the back of the workstation. > > > we know that eth1 is ok because you can use the internet ... is the > light showing on eth0 is what we need to know here ... > > > When I turn on the workstation it searches for DHCP then gives me the message "no DHCP or boottp offers received", then it boots to the hard drive. > > > on the server - 'service dhcpd status' > it should be running ... > > > Any ideas? The network card that is working over eth1 is a new card I just purchased. > > > i have a Davicom (dmfe) like your eth1 in my linux machine too and it > works just fine .. > > > The card that isn't working is the original card from the pc. It worked fine with our peer-to-peer windows network. > > > you can try 'mii-tools eth0' to see if the card is up and running ok > > > Thanks! -Will > > > > > no worries - keep the detailed info coming ... and fast coz its friday > avo. and weekend is fast approaching :) > > pantz > > -- > Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... > That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Jul 2 19:36:55 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems In-Reply-To: <20040702192933.YPGJ14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702192933.YPGJ14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <40E5B957.2040103@lqt.ca> Will Hatch wrote: >Paul, > >There are two lights on eth0. One is flashing rapidly, one more slowly. When the light that is flashing more slowly flashes, it makes the light that is flashing rapidly stay on for just a wee-bit longer. Where the network cable is attached to my hub, the light is flashing slowly like one of the lights on eth0 on the back of the server. > > flashing lights are a good sign - packets are moving along those cables ... >When I try to input the commands you recommended, in the shell window, it says "command not found". Do I need to be logged in as root? How do I log in as root for this purpose. > oops - yeah you need to be root. Open a terminal (the icon with a small blue flat computer screen) and type 'su -'. (without the single quotes) Then type in the root password and you will then be logged in to that shell as root. Retry the commands I suggested b4. -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Jul 2 19:40:58 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:40:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems In-Reply-To: <20040702192933.YPGJ14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040702192933.YPGJ14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <40E5BA4A.6060707@lqt.ca> Actually Will If you know how IRC works - this would go alot faster on the #ltsp channel. If you need instructions on how to get xchat up and running - let me know and we can meet up on IRC ... pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 2 19:43:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:43:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <000201c46054$b5290420$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000201c46054$b5290420$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1088797435.5154.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 11:50, Huck wrote: > This is the sort of "Meat and Potatoes" I've been looking to find for > years. > Could you by chance recommend a book or two where in-depth information > like this can be found? Ummm, you could read the 'release notes' for several versions of unix for each update since the mid-80's.... Or if you are in a hurry and don't care so much about differences from other versions the most useful current documentation is probably Red Hat's own. I don't think fedora has an equivalent yet so https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ may be the best you can do. > Yeah it's nice to know the 'short answer'...but it doesn't allow one to > understand WHAT is going on...and why. The interesting thing about unix/linux is that the underlying mechanisms are extremely simple and elegant (which sometimes makes the higher-level things complex...). For example, every program except 'init' starts out as a copy of it's parent program, inheriting open files, uid/gid, etc. Once you understand the parts that everything has in common the many exceptions become easier to manage. In a similar way, it also helps to spend a while learning how the shell parses and processes your command line, doing variable substitution, wild card expansion, i/o redirection, etc. before trying to understand the man pages of all the other programs which have those operations already done before they are started. For example if you see 'file...' in a man page, meaning one or more file names, you'd likely actually type a wild-card pattern and let the shell expand the list the program will see. The other nice thing about learning unix basics is that I did it 20 years ago and most of it is still useful today. By contrast, almost everything I've learned about Microsoft products has been how to work around bugs that change every year. Does anyone remember what version of MSDOS was the first to recognize more than 32 Megs in a disk partition - or which hardware vendors added their own hacks to earlier versions? (Repeat for 2.1 gigs, 8 gigs, 32 gigs, 120 gigs, etc...). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From k12osn at collinsoft.com Fri Jul 2 21:08:25 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Window Manager Question In-Reply-To: <40E58AE2.7070409@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > 4) I guess my question is, those of you using Gnome/KDE for your clients > -- do you wish you'd have started with IceWM? Those of you using IceWM, > do you wish you'd have started with KDE/Gnome? I started out with IceWM and a Windows XP theme. I kinda wish I had more "eye candy" and might add Nautilis back in the mix this fall. I like the control over the menus in IceWM, I don't let the users customize them (actually, I don't stop them, but no one has opened the terminal window to try it). Our main reason for IceWM was one of necessity. File locking wasn't support on our NFS mounted shares from our OS X servers, so Gnome and KDE complained the whole time. This has changed with OS X 10.3, so I'm hoping to at least add nautilis to IceWM. -- Ryan Collins Technoloy Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 2 21:16:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:16:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] subnetting/routing/etc.. Message-ID: <001101c46079$cb30d160$1803010a@paasda.org> Suggestions please? Relevant Server Info: Novell(Administration + Staff Server) 10.1.3.2, Linux Gateway/Router/DHCPD/Firewall(iptables)/Proxy Server(squid)/Content Filter(dansguardian) 10.1.3.1, Debian mail server(staff only(exim4, spamassassin, clamav, qpopper)) 10.1.3.30, K12LTSP Server eth1(10.1.3.20) & eth0 (with dhcpd(default 192.168.0.254)).... Client Info: Macintosh Clients(14) 11 need to see the K12LTSP server and 3 machines need to see mail server, the Novell server, and multiple printers. CS_LAB WindowsXP(22) needs to see K12LTSP server Library(12) only need to see K12LTSP server Staff Machines(30ish) need to see ALL servers Thin Clients (40+) need to see K12LTSP and multiple printers in various labs Problems are: Some staff machines need to print to same printer as k12ltsp clients... All students will save work on K12ltsp server and authenticate to it through Samba and LDAP (thanks for the OO tutorial =) no matter which machine they log on from so they always have the same 'home directory' no matter which machine type/lab they log in from. Staff would authenticate to Novell for all their filesharing etc...but would need to access the K12LTSP machine to check student files. Current Plan: Map a drive on all staff machines (XP Pro and Mac OS X) to the samba shares for access to student files. Install Printers through CUPS on the K12LTSP server and share with Samba to staff machines as well as LTSP clients. Puts a heavy printing load on the K12LTSP server though in addition to the load it will have from the 40+ clients... Any suggestions and/or helpful hints...or kicks in the head welcome =) Would subnetting be helpful? harmful? aught I set up specific routes for specific things etc? Thanks, --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 2 21:36:41 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:36:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems Message-ID: <20040702213641.FIVA12887.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Pantz, Unfortunately, I've had to close down shop until Tuesday. Kids are gone and so am I! Someone else suggested the IRC to me and I briefly looked into it. Sounds like a good idea for next week. I really appreciate the help. -Will > > From: Paul Pianta > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri PM 03:40:58 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] network card problems > > Actually Will > > If you know how IRC works - this would go alot faster on the #ltsp > channel. If you need instructions on how to get xchat up and running - > let me know and we can meet up on IRC ... > > pantz > > -- > Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... > That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From faengoy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 21:58:40 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Asian Supplier for AMD Geode or similar MB In-Reply-To: <20040702211433.9FD827337F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040702215840.64994.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys, I've been a member of this list for some time and involved in LTSP's progress for over four years. I am looking for an Asian supplier for the AMB Geode and mainboards or suitably similar 586 embedded board with sound and LAN. I have some leads based on research, but want to know if anyone has personal experience with a supplier they can recommend. Thanks Dan ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Jul 3 20:06:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:06:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Terminal Services and rdesktop question Message-ID: Hi all.... Once again I'm trying to figure out all the pieces of the puzzle prior to making any commitments or doing something stupid. It's harder this way as I can't experiment. I read on K12LTSP.org in the FAQ's about the following: b) connect to a [ http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/technologies/terminal/ ]Windows Terminal Server (only with [ http://www.citrix.com/products/metaframexp.asp ]Citrix Metaframe, [ http://www.microsoft.com/windows.netserver/ ]Windows 2003 Server or [ http://www.thinsoftinc.com/products_winconserver_info.html ]WinConnect Server XP using [ http://www.thinsoftinc.com/products_winconnect_info.html ]WinConnect client) Though [ http://www.rdesktop.org/ ]rdesktop is included it is not wise to use it in a production environment on a Linux Terminal Server because more bandwith than necessary gets consumed - run it on the [ http://www.k12ltsp.org/faq.html#thin ][thin] client instead or with software like [ http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net/ ]DIET-PC, [ http://netstation.sourceforge.net/ ]NetStation, [ http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ ]PXES or the upcoming LTSP 4 instead. Since k12LTSP 4.02 is based on LTSP 4....will this address the bandwidth issue? I simply want my users to click an icon within their terminal server session (linux) and be able to launch Windows via rdesktop (only when necessary). Is this the best way. Also....does anyone have a how-to or quick suggestions as to how to get Windows 2003 terminal services sound to work on the terminals? Sound would be a big plus. I'd like to complete this move to become totally diskless and thus more dependent on K12LTSP (smile).....and as a result be able to buy my whole new lab of diskless workstations in the next year. I need the help of people who have been through some of this stuff and can confirm some of it. Thx. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 3 20:24:04 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Windows Terminal Services and rdesktop question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David, You can run rdesktop locally, simply by setting 'SCREEN_01 = rdesktop' You can supply the name or IP address of the Windows server as an argument to the rdesktop command. For example: SCREEN_01 = rdesktop -f w2k.yourdomain.com The '-f' will cause rdesktop to be full screen. This will not give you a Linux session at all. It will just give you a windows session. This isn't exactly what you were looking for. But, maybe you could set it on SCREEN_02, and then press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to it. To achieve what you are really asking for, you'd need to setup rdesktop as a local app. The binary is already there, so it's just a matter of getting it to launch. You would use ssh for that. This requires setting up the public and private keys, and NIS. I hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, David Trask wrote: > Hi all.... > > Once again I'm trying to figure out all the pieces of the puzzle prior to > making any commitments or doing something stupid. It's harder this way as > I can't experiment. I read on K12LTSP.org in the FAQ's about the > following: > > b) connect to a [ > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/technologies/terminal/ ]Windows > Terminal Server (only with [ > http://www.citrix.com/products/metaframexp.asp ]Citrix Metaframe, [ > http://www.microsoft.com/windows.netserver/ ]Windows 2003 Server or [ > http://www.thinsoftinc.com/products_winconserver_info.html ]WinConnect > Server XP using [ > http://www.thinsoftinc.com/products_winconnect_info.html ]WinConnect > client) > Though [ http://www.rdesktop.org/ ]rdesktop is included it is not wise to > use it in a production environment on a Linux Terminal Server because > more bandwith than necessary gets consumed - run it on the [ > http://www.k12ltsp.org/faq.html#thin ][thin] client instead or with > software like [ http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net/ ]DIET-PC, [ > http://netstation.sourceforge.net/ ]NetStation, [ > http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ ]PXES or the upcoming LTSP 4 instead. > > Since k12LTSP 4.02 is based on LTSP 4....will this address the bandwidth > issue? I simply want my users to click an icon within their terminal > server session (linux) and be able to launch Windows via rdesktop (only > when necessary). Is this the best way. Also....does anyone have a how-to > or quick suggestions as to how to get Windows 2003 terminal services sound > to work on the terminals? Sound would be a big plus. I'd like to > complete this move to become totally diskless and thus more dependent on > K12LTSP (smile).....and as a result be able to buy my whole new lab of > diskless workstations in the next year. I need the help of people who > have been through some of this stuff and can confirm some of it. Thx. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > From Steven at stevensantos.com Sun Jul 4 00:34:03 2004 From: Steven at stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:34:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <20040703160042.7700473E6E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> I was reading /. today (I know, I know - bad idea...), and came across an article on using 1 linux pc for 4 *local* terminals, that is 4 monitors/ keyboards/mice attached to one local PC, allowing 4 students to use it at once. I thought it was a cool idea, then my I found myself asking the next logical question: could this be done in an LTSP setup where we could effectively eliminate 3 PC's for ever 4 terminals? Would it save time/$$ in the long run? Thoughts? (Ref: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/03/1923255) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Email : Steven at StevenSantos.com Web : www.CircusNews.com Postal: PO Box 620753 Newton, Ma. 02462 From les at futuresource.com Sun Jul 4 03:02:42 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:02:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Windows Terminal Services and rdesktop question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1088910161.27462.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 15:24, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > This isn't exactly what you were looking for. But, maybe you > could set it on SCREEN_02, and then press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to > it. I've never been able to make this work. It tries to start an X session which fails because it uses the same virtual console as the SCREEN_01 session. It it supposed to work this way? > To achieve what you are really asking for, you'd need to setup rdesktop > as a local app. The binary is already there, so it's just a matter of > getting it to launch. You would use ssh for that. This requires > setting up the public and private keys, and NIS. Would it be difficult to make it LDAP or other PAM modes of authentication instead? If you have moderately fast clients you could take a load off the server by running several apps this way. If you NFS mount the same home dir, the ssh keys would be easy to arrange and apps would see the same files. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jul 4 03:09:34 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:09:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Windows Terminal Services and rdesktop question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A little more if you will....where do I enter this? In lts.conf? (SCREEN_02=rdesktop) If I do your SCREEN_02 suggestion....does this essentially mean that my users simply have to use CTRL-ALT-F2 to bring up a Windows session? Their Linux session will still be there? Does this address the bandwidth issue? In fact, what exactly IS the bandwidth issue. I have no real desire to tackle NIS. I'm using SAMBA/LDAP right now....do you think there's anyway for local apps to be authenticated (meaning the workstation) via Samba/LDAP? All suggestions welcome. Feeling my way along here. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >David, > >You can run rdesktop locally, simply by setting 'SCREEN_01 = rdesktop' > >You can supply the name or IP address of the Windows server >as an argument to the rdesktop command. > >For example: > > SCREEN_01 = rdesktop -f w2k.yourdomain.com > >The '-f' will cause rdesktop to be full screen. > >This will not give you a Linux session at all. It will just >give you a windows session. > >This isn't exactly what you were looking for. But, maybe you >could set it on SCREEN_02, and then press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to >it. > >To achieve what you are really asking for, you'd need to setup rdesktop >as a local app. The binary is already there, so it's just a matter of >getting it to launch. You would use ssh for that. This requires >setting up the public and private keys, and NIS. > >I hope that helps, David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Jul 4 03:05:20 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 04 Jul 2004 11:05:20 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> References: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> Message-ID: <1088910338.20701.205.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 08:34, Steven Santos wrote: > I was reading /. today (I know, I know - bad idea...), and came across an > article on using 1 linux pc for 4 *local* terminals, that is 4 monitors/ > keyboards/mice attached to one local PC, allowing 4 students to use it at > once. I thought it was a cool idea, then my I found myself asking the > next logical question: could this be done in an LTSP setup where we could > effectively eliminate 3 PC's for ever 4 terminals? Would it save time/$$ > in the long run? > > Thoughts? > > (Ref: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/03/1923255) This is an idea that has been raised a couple of times before, but I for one am always interested in new projects on the subject, so thanks for the posting. Here's past posts of mine from the archives where the subject is discussed, one going back nearly a year to the day, by coincidence: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-May/msg00260.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-July/msg00301.html While it's a pet interest of mine, it's one in which I have participate vicariously rather than actively. The key to all these types of projects (including the one you cited) is the modified kernel from the Backstreet Ruby project. I'm too gutless and ignorant to spend time playing with modified kernels. Sigh. Anyway, as I said in a previous post, my experience is that this is the wrong list for interest in this type of project. I don't know, maybe the fact is that establishing a network of peered PCs (each serving up to four clients) is much more complicated and much more administrative overhead than using thin clients built from free or dirt-cheap redundant hardware. For that reason (a very good one) I doubt the idea will find any champions here, but I reckon there is a place for it nonetheless. -- Regards, Gavin Chester ecosolutions(R) "...for all your environmental monitoring needs" PO Box 62 (2 Pegrum Rd), Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Jul 4 03:35:33 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:35:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> References: <20040703160042.7700473E6E@hormel.redhat.com> <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> Message-ID: <20040703233533.4b7717fa.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> If I am understanding you right, It would be something like: SERVER ---> TERMINAL 1 --> 4 monitors/keyboards/mice ---> TERMINAL 2 --> 4 monitors/keyboards/mice ---> TERMINAL 3 --> 4 monitors/keyboards/mice ---> ETC, ETC, ETC If that is what your thinking, here is my thoughts -- The idea behind the 1 computer/4 users is that the computer has more resources then any one user really needs (ram, processor, HD, etc) Since terminals tend to be minimal (sp?) I'm not so sure that it would work. The 1 computer/4 users idea need particular types of hardware; graphic cards, USB mice/keyboards or PS/2 spliters, etc. All of that leads to extra cost that terminals don't need. I know they could be expensive, but the benifit right now is that (almost) any PC and PC hardware can be used as part of the terminal. (PC as in Personal Computer, not just the "win-tel" computers, since MACs can be used for terminals) Personally, I think it would be a cool "itch to scratch", and I think it would work. But I just don't feel that the "cool factor" or the extra cost / maintainance would outway the current terminal idea for deployment. Without doing any research, I am thinking the cost a good mobo, strong processor, lots of RAM and 4 good graphic cards does not beat the price of 4 thinknics, or linux bricks, or other thin clients. On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:34:03 -0400 "Steven Santos" wrote: > I was reading /. today (I know, I know - bad idea...), and came across > an article on using 1 linux pc for 4 *local* terminals, that is 4 > monitors/ keyboards/mice attached to one local PC, allowing 4 students > to use it at once. I thought it was a cool idea, then my I found > myself asking the next logical question: could this be done in an LTSP > setup where we could effectively eliminate 3 PC's for ever 4 > terminals? Would it save time/$$ in the long run? > > Thoughts? > > (Ref: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/03/1923255) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- Steven Santos > > Email : Steven at StevenSantos.com > Web : www.CircusNews.com > Postal: PO Box 620753 > Newton, Ma. 02462 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From patmo98 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 4 06:18:54 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 23:18:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <20040703233533.4b7717fa.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040703160042.7700473E6E@hormel.redhat.com> <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> <20040703233533.4b7717fa.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <40E7A14E.1060102@yahoo.com> Gentgeen wrote: >If I am understanding you right, It would be something like: > > SERVER ---> TERMINAL 1 --> 4 monitors/keyboards/mice > ---> TERMINAL 2 --> 4 monitors/keyboards/mice > ---> TERMINAL 3 --> 4 monitors/keyboards/mice > ---> ETC, ETC, ETC > > > I think what he meant was to take a normal computer, and install Linux onto it. Then four people can use that computer at once. This does NOT use a network at all. The theory is that you have a 1Ghz computer but it is a waist to use it for one person using Mozilla. From k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk Sun Jul 4 18:15:10 2004 From: k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk (Henning Petersen Wangerin) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:15:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <20040703233533.4b7717fa.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040703160042.7700473E6E@hormel.redhat.com> <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> <20040703233533.4b7717fa.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <9khge0l29kj52c3v2p60u7cs3b7ksjn55s@4ax.com> On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 23:35:33 -0400, you wrote: > The 1 computer/4 users idea need particular types of hardware; graphic > cards, USB mice/keyboards or PS/2 spliters, etc. All of that leads to Additional graphic cards: yes, but extra mice/keyboards/monitors : no I don't see how making 4 workplaces on a single box (thin-client or fulle machine) would be more expensive than making 4 workplaces on four boxes. Buing a new box and adding 3 extra graphic cards, would always be cheaper as buing 4 new boxes. Ofcourse you need to buy usb-keyboars/mice, but them are also afordable. > would work. But I just don't feel that the "cool factor" or the extra > cost / maintainance would outway the current terminal idea for What about the simple fact that it would eliminate nearly 3/4 of the hardware needed to build a lab? Ofcouse the downside is that i a station gioes down now, it would be four going down. > deployment. Without doing any research, I am thinking the cost a good > mobo, strong processor, lots of RAM and 4 good graphic cards > does not beat the price of 4 thinknics, or linux bricks, or other thin > clients. Why would yur need lots of RAM and stroong CPU if you let it work as a thin clint, juat with a special config? Should be someting to try out sometime! -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Henning Wangerin Skoletoften 9, Blans DK - 6400 Soenderborg Tlf. 36948694 via www.musimi.dk - VoIP til det danske folk From info at baf-computers.com Sun Jul 4 20:18:06 2004 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 21:18:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Nic's Message-ID: Hi! Could the list help me, I have setup two single network card servers which worked as per std. setup but now am setting up two network card server. This loaded ok! but then found the onboard nic was faulty which I disable in the bois and insert a new network card. I can get onto the internet with the server the cliet gets its ip address ok starts loading file then after a while says unable to load file. Any help! thanks Les Finch BAF Services(Computers) 442 London Road High Wycombe Bucks HP11 1LP Tel:- 01494 534146 Mob:- 07788824548 ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of BAF Services. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Jul 4 23:56:15 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:56:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Nic's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E8991F.7010701@cmosnetworks.com> Les Finch wrote: > > Hi! Could the list help me, I have setup two single network card > servers which worked as per std. setup but now am setting up two > network card server. This loaded ok! but then found the onboard nic > was faulty which I disable in the bois and insert a new network card. > I can get onto the internet with the server the cliet gets its ip > address ok starts loading file then after a while says unable to load > file. > > Any help! thanks Les Finch > Sounds like a possible NFS issue. Can you give us more details on the error messages that you're seeing, and at which point in the boot process? Also, when you say that the client gets its IP address OK, do you mean the EtherBoot/PXE DHCP request, or do you mean the one done later by dhclient? --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 5 00:41:48 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:41:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> References: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> Message-ID: <40E8A3CC.8080908@cmosnetworks.com> I wouldn't do it. Here's why. If you want to hook up more than one keyboard and mouse to a LTSP client, then you need at least two things: 1.) some way to physically hook up the other monitors, keyboards, and mice, and 2.) some way to separate each of the four sessions. I just don't see how to do that with a LTSP client. To illustrate this, let's first take the case of a regular "fat client" PC. In a "fat client", you could install a bunch of serial ports in the thing, have, say, four VT100 terminals, and do it like that. The VT100 terminal, in this case, is itself handling the display, as all terminals, including the ancient IBM 3278 mainframe terminals, do. You *have* to do it this way otherwise it'd be like PCAnywhere in which someone logging into PCAnywhere will disrupt the operations of the person already sitting at the console. Other well-meaning sysadmins would do this to me all the time back when I was a Windows NT Server administrator (TSE was still pretty new back then, and Citrix was big bucks). Thus, you must have more than one single display engine and more than one "display control" line. I don't know if someone makes something for personal computer architectures that will allow the hookup of more than one physical keyboard, mouse, and monitor, and that will actually keep the I/O sessions separate. A KVM switch won't do it because that's going the other way--one person using multiple computers. It's still a single "channel", if you will, of I/O; you're in this case just switching that single channel to/from a different box. Ethernet today provides the best, most cost-effective way to do multiple I/O channels to and from a single box. In the case of our beloved project, that "fat client" is actually a K12LTSP server, serving multiple I/O channels via Ethernet. The multiple display channels are done by TCP/IP and X11, all nice and seamless, for us, exactly so that we don't have to go out and look for other, probably expensive, hardware to do that. The hardware to support X11 is cheap; practically any video board on the remote terminal will do. Same for Fast Ethernet and TCP/IP. Let's now turn our attention back to the LTSP client. In the case of trying multiple I/O channels on a LTSP client, then you'd likely have to have a special kernel and other code that understood the hardware required to support multiple keyboards/videocards/mice, and you'd have to do a bunch of other coding to 1.) keep those I/O channels separate, and 2.) correctly send each of them to the LTSP server. That sounds like something for maybe a honors BS Computer Science project or perhaps a Master's thesis. --TP Steven Santos wrote: >I was reading /. today (I know, I know - bad idea...), and came across an >article on using 1 linux pc for 4 *local* terminals, that is 4 monitors/ >keyboards/mice attached to one local PC, allowing 4 students to use it at >once. I thought it was a cool idea, then my I found myself asking the >next logical question: could this be done in an LTSP setup where we could >effectively eliminate 3 PC's for ever 4 terminals? Would it save time/$$ >in the long run? > >Thoughts? > > From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Jul 5 01:10:04 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 21:10:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <40E8A3CC.8080908@cmosnetworks.com>; from microman@cmosnetworks.com on Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 08:41:48PM -0400 References: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> <40E8A3CC.8080908@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20040704211004.A11836@redline.comcast.net> On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 08:41:48PM -0400, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > I wouldn't do it. Here's why. If you want to hook up more than one > keyboard and mouse to a LTSP client, then you need at least two things: > > 1.) some way to physically hook up the other monitors, keyboards, and > mice, and > 2.) some way to separate each of the four sessions. They did all that, special kernel, all seats at same table etc.. usb kyb and mice. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.c3sl.ufpr.br%2Ffourhead&langpair=pt%7Cen&hl=pt&ie=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools If you happen to have a lot of usb keyboards, and usb mice and extra monitors, and extra video cards this is a way to stretch your hardware. If you can afford the hardware, plain old LTSP is a better solution. As for multi-seating an ltsp TC, any TC configured robustly enough to handle this setup is a server! Their setup handles the connection issues mentioned below. > > let's first take the case of a regular "fat client" PC. In a "fat > client", you could install a bunch of serial ports in the thing, have, > say, four VT100 terminals, and do it like that. The VT100 terminal, in > this case, is itself handling the display, as all terminals, including > the ancient IBM 3278 mainframe terminals, do. You *have* to do it this > way otherwise it'd be like PCAnywhere in which someone logging into > PCAnywhere will disrupt the operations of the person already sitting at > the console. Other well-meaning sysadmins would do this to me all the > time back when I was a Windows NT Server administrator (TSE was still > pretty new back then, and Citrix was big bucks). Thus, you must have > more than one single display engine and more than one "display control" > line. I don't know if someone makes something for personal computer > architectures that will allow the hookup of more than one physical > keyboard, mouse, and monitor, and that will actually keep the I/O > sessions separate. A KVM switch won't do it because that's going the > other way--one person using multiple computers. It's still a single > "channel", if you will, of I/O; you're in this case just switching that > single channel to/from a different box. -- Our father, which art in Redmond, Monopoly be thy name. Thy empire come, thy OS never done, shipping as it is in development Give us this day, our daily bug And forgive address violations as we forgive those viruses that trespass against us Lead us not unto competition but deliver us from Choice For thine is the license, the revenue and the greed forever. Amen ========================================== Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From manikkalal at hotmail.com Mon Jul 5 06:33:57 2004 From: manikkalal at hotmail.com (manikkalal s) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:03:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting ws004:0 Message-ID: Hai all, I am new to this ltsp mailing lists. I don't know if there is some rules for posting.Sorry in advance. I have setup an ltsp server(ver 3) in my office.The system is running in redhat9.0.My configurations are in such a way that i can run 10 thin clients from my ltsp server.But some error is coming frequently in clients. The error is "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting ws004:0" . This will come when client will be executing soimething and suddenly the client machine stands still.So after this when that client m/c is rebooted,and logged again as same user, the problem persists and user could not receive main login screen only a blue screeen and m/c stands idle.Nothing can be executed in it after that. In mean time all clients will be in trouble ie only a blue screen will be there. If i logged as root in this machine , no problem is there . Here is my lts.conf SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X4_BUSID = "PCI:0:15:0" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws003] XSERVER = i810 # X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16 # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws004] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws005] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws006] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws007] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws008] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws009] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws010] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws011] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 [ws012] XSERVER = i810 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 54-120 LOCAL_APPS = N SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = esd VOLUME = 100 MIC_VOLUME = 100 CD_VOLUME = 75 SMODULE_01 = ac97_codec SMODULE_02 = i810_audio #SMODULE_01 = soundcore #SMODULE_02 = uart401 #SMODULE_03 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 RCFILE_01 = floppyd USE_NFS_SWAP = Y SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m RUNLEVEL = 5 Can anyone suggest me a solution for this. Thanks for any help Regards Manikkalal.S Cochin _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a soulmate? http://www.shaadi.com/ptnr.php?ptnr=hmltag Log onto shaadi.com From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Jul 5 09:35:05 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:35:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Window Manager Question In-Reply-To: <40E58AE2.7070409@inlandlakes.org> References: <40E58AE2.7070409@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20040705102912.023f4f00@pop.bgfl.org> At 17:18 02/07/2004, you wrote: >2) Once things "catch on" and more and more clients are added in the >classrooms, I worry that eventually KDE/Gnome will start to be to bloated >to keep my monster servers happy. We run KDE and are very happy with it (mostly 'cus that was my choice when I installed the boxes. One of the really great things about Linux is that you have a choice or to put it another way, you are in control. So that if in the future, KDE7.4 becomes really bloated (which I very much doubt), you can always install a nice slim KDE2.1 (for example). I might fiddle with IceWM when I have some spare time (ha!) but my plan is to stick with KDE. Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From fhkms at adelphia.net Mon Jul 5 10:42:00 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 6:42:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems Message-ID: <20040705104200.GMQY14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Pantz, Well, I rolled the dice that the original network card for my new server (Dell Dimension 4500s) was the root problem of my inability to get eth0 to work with my workstation booting problem. I bought a network card like the new one I am using for eth1 and installed it. Now, I can't activate it. I'm wondering if I acted correctly when I booted it the first time and it was recognized as new hardware by the server. When the progress bar was on the screen it seemed to be hung up, so I hit f12 and proceeded. Anyhow, I really need to get xchat going on IRC to get some real help and to get this project moving. Can you or anyone reading this give me step-by-step instructions on how to get xchat going. Again, my internet connection over eth1 is working just fine, so I can download dirctly to the server. Incidently, I tried to use my dlink router to split the internet connection to a teacher who is content to stay with windows, and this causes my internet to not work. It works ! just fine on the server when I connect the cable modem directly. Any ideas on this problem. Help!!! -Will > > From: Paul Pianta > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri PM 03:40:58 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] network card problems > > Actually Will > > If you know how IRC works - this would go alot faster on the #ltsp > channel. If you need instructions on how to get xchat up and running - > let me know and we can meet up on IRC ... > > pantz > > -- > Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... > That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Mon Jul 5 10:45:47 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] network card problems In-Reply-To: <20040705104200.GMQY14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Will, For help on xchat, visit: http://www.ltsp.org/irc.php Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Will Hatch wrote: > Pantz, > > Well, I rolled the dice that the original network card for my new server (Dell Dimension 4500s) was the root problem of my inability to get eth0 to work with my workstation booting problem. I bought a network card like the new one I am using for eth1 and installed it. Now, I can't activate it. I'm wondering if I acted correctly when I booted it the first time and it was recognized as new hardware by the server. When the progress bar was on the screen it seemed to be hung up, so I hit f12 and proceeded. Anyhow, I really need to get xchat going on IRC to get some real help and to get this project moving. Can you or anyone reading this give me step-by-step instructions on how to get xchat going. Again, my internet connection over eth1 is working just fine, so I can download dirctly to the server. Incidently, I tried to use my dlink router to split the internet connection to a teacher who is content to stay with windows, and this causes my internet to not work. It work! s ! > just fine on the server when I connect the cable modem directly. Any ideas on this problem. Help!!! > > -Will > > > > From: Paul Pianta > > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri PM 03:40:58 EDT > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] network card problems > > > > Actually Will > > > > If you know how IRC works - this would go alot faster on the #ltsp > > channel. If you need instructions on how to get xchat up and running - > > let me know and we can meet up on IRC ... > > > > pantz > > > > -- > > Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... > > That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 5 17:02:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:02:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <9khge0l29kj52c3v2p60u7cs3b7ksjn55s@4ax.com> References: <20040703160042.7700473E6E@hormel.redhat.com> <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> <20040703233533.4b7717fa.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <9khge0l29kj52c3v2p60u7cs3b7ksjn55s@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1089046938.11364.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 13:15, Henning Petersen Wangerin wrote: > > The 1 computer/4 users idea need particular types of hardware; graphic > > cards, USB mice/keyboards or PS/2 spliters, etc. All of that leads to > > Additional graphic cards: yes, but extra mice/keyboards/monitors : no This brings up an interesting variation. Is it possible to run a "traditional" multi-headed thin client with one keyboard/mouse controlling several monitors? We have a wall of monitors that display an assortment of network and server status checks. Most are 4-headed boxes are running windows but I'd like to do away with the local install and need for updates. Auto-detecting these is probably too much to ask, but is there a way to tie a hand-tuned XF86Config to a specific client? > I don't see how making 4 workplaces on a single box (thin-client or > fulle machine) would be more expensive than making 4 workplaces on > four boxes. There are 2 problems with the multi-user thin client: unless it can be auto-detected or you have a lot of the same configuration you lose the normal time saving that you get with the thin client software setup, and you also lose the ability to reboot at any time to clear any kind of problem without affecting anyone else. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From shawn at techcoms.net Mon Jul 5 18:38:58 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 14:38:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Maybe Linux is ready for the desktop In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040630161300.01baee90@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <40E9A042.9000906@techcoms.net> I took a knoppix cd to a school and let the children play on an old pII. There are 4 windoze boxes next to it. After the first week I had to burn 4 more cd's due to all the fighting over the knoppix box. Carl Keil wrote: > For those of you trying to justify Linux to Administrators, teachers and > other skeptics, here's an interesting anecdote about Linux's ease of > use/familiarity to new users. > > I have a couple of 12 year old kids staying at my house for a few > weeks. I told them they could use my k12ltsp 4 server if they wanted as > a workstation. (Since I can't get any @#$% terminals working yet.) > They've been hogging my wife's Mac and I wanted to let her get back to > it. They're usually windows users. When I found one of them using it I > asked him if he'd ever used Linux. He said, "No, what's that?" I > pointed to the screen and explained to him what an operating system > was. He had been happily surfing the web. The only instructions I gave > him earlier were to point at the terminal and say log in as foo/bar. > > Just thought I'd share. I was pretty dumbfounded, actually. I thought > he'd need me to tell him where stuff was, etc. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > . > From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Jul 5 20:02:29 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:02:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc Message-ID: <40E9B3D5.1070207@msln.net> I'm trying to setup a sshvnc LTSP box for teachers and students to access files from home. I'm using Derek Dresser's instructions. http://network.gouldacademy.org/misc/sshvnc/sshvnc.html I have hit a wall. I get "sshvnc failed to open a forwarding channel to localhost:5901". It appears that the request is not spawning the vnc server. If I manually setup a server with a password and then try to connect, all I need is the extra password for the vnc server and it will connect, but I still will not get a terminal window. I created the vnc file in the xinetd.d directory, edited the sshvnc-applet.htm, and created the vnc_inetd_httpd scriptfile in the etc/x11r6/bin directory. I just can not seem to get passed this problem. Any pointers? Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jul 5 20:22:35 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:22:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc In-Reply-To: <40E9B3D5.1070207@msln.net> References: <40E9B3D5.1070207@msln.net> Message-ID: <40E9B88A.7050403@cfl.rr.com> I loaded K12LTSP 4.0.1 and installed it as a terminal server. No configuration is needed on the Linux box after install, as the defaults activate VNC already. The only thing needed is an accessible port 22 that is forwarded to the LTSP box from your router and the IP address or Fully Qualified Domain Name (FQDN) that can bee seen from the internet and the following setup on the client, if a windows box. I prefer TightVNC for my Windows box. http://www.benjamin.weiss.name/putty-tunnel.html I had better luck getting larger resolution by default using Windows XP on port 5900 rather than 5901, 2 or 3. It works flawlessly, but I'd play around with the different "fast/best" compression clients to see what gives you better performance. By the way, X works by default for local as well with K12LTSP 4.01. You can get it at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.0.1/iso/ Regards, Brian Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I'm trying to setup a sshvnc LTSP box for teachers and students to > access files from home. I'm using Derek Dresser's instructions. > http://network.gouldacademy.org/misc/sshvnc/sshvnc.html I have hit a > wall. I get "sshvnc failed to open a forwarding channel to > localhost:5901". It appears that the request is not spawning the vnc > server. If I manually setup a server with a password and then try to > connect, all I need is the extra password for the vnc server and it > will connect, but I still will not get a terminal window. I created > the vnc file in the xinetd.d directory, edited the sshvnc-applet.htm, > and created the vnc_inetd_httpd scriptfile in the etc/x11r6/bin > directory. I just can not seem to get passed this problem. > Any pointers? > Mark > From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Jul 5 21:44:39 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:44:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on the client: redux Message-ID: <000601c462d9$48b2a8f0$0601000a@winworkstation> OK, I give up. What's the secret to getting the sound to play out of the clients sound card instead of the servers? I've tried all the obvious [to me, natch] stuff in the lts.conf file, but I'm not even sure all the libraries are there, etc. I got the exact functionality that I wanted a few hacks ago, except that the mp3 would blast out of the server instead of the client. Is there a checklist of things to go through? I'm gathering this only works with Gnome. You need to specify some stuff in lts.conf I've got SMODULE_01 = "es1370" in there. (Yes, I'm running an ensoniq 1370 in the PCI slot) Do I need all that IRQ interrupt, dma stuff? If so, how do I find that out. Any kindof "hardware probe" action just tells me about the server. And the bios is incredibly vague. Any pointers would be incredibly appreciated. ck From k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk Mon Jul 5 22:19:19 2004 From: k12osn___at___listman.redhat.com at hpc.dk (Henning Petersen Wangerin) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:19:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <1089046938.11364.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040703160042.7700473E6E@hormel.redhat.com> <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> <20040703233533.4b7717fa.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <9khge0l29kj52c3v2p60u7cs3b7ksjn55s@4ax.com> <1089046938.11364.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <6hkje0ljrvc8okcb7f64jufa98o8bqtppc@4ax.com> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:02:18 -0500, you wrote: > This brings up an interesting variation. Is it possible to run > a "traditional" multi-headed thin client with one keyboard/mouse > controlling several monitors? If I rwemember correctly, there is a sample of doing just that in the ltsp-files or on ltsp.org. > We have a wall of monitors that > display an assortment of network and server status checks. Most > are 4-headed boxes are running windows but I'd like to do away > with the local install and need for updates. Auto-detecting > these is probably too much to ask, but is there a way to tie > a hand-tuned XF86Config to a specific client? You need to do some work setting it up, but it should be possible. > There are 2 problems with the multi-user thin client: unless it > can be auto-detected Well, at least you need to tell the system witch mouce/keyboard connects to witch screen, but I expect it to be done in XF86Config. > or you have a lot of the same configuration > you lose the normal time saving that you get with the thin > client software setup, and you also lose the ability to > reboot at any time to clear any kind of problem without affecting > anyone else. Sure there might be a issue here, but I don't recall the last time I had to reboot a client to sort up things. At max killing the x-server, but I guess that could be done on a per client basis. -- Venlig hilsen / Best regards Henning Wangerin Skoletoften 9, Blans DK - 6400 Soenderborg Tlf. 36948694 via www.musimi.dk - VoIP til det danske folk From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 6 13:22:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:22:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <004301c46054$7c358c60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001001c4635c$5942af20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> > Thanks for the step by step. I'll start messing around a > little more and see what happens. If I find the problem I'll > post back out to the list with where it was. I'll just let you know where I am at just in case it brings forth any further insight. I have the iMac booting locally to YDL in run level 3 but still receiving an IP from the LTSP 3.1.2 server and on the internal network currently with the IP of 192.168.0.250. I issue the command "#esd -nobeeps -tcp -public" on the iMac and hit enter, I get a line saying that it is accepting connections. Then on the server I issue "#esdplay -s 192.168.0.250 test.wav" and nothing happens on the iMac but the test.wav plays on the server. If I reverse the whole process with "#esd -nobeeps -tcp -public" on the server and "#esdplay -s 192.168.0.250 test.wav" from the iMac sound also plays on the server. So it appears I can send sound over the network only toward the server. Any idea why the server will not let me send sound out to the iMac? I can ping 192.168.0.250 from the server without a problem and "#esdplay -s 192.168.0.250 test.wav" does not give me any errors, it just gives me what appears as the same result as "#esdplay test.wav" would. Also I found out that with the inittab mods for esd and X -query if I leave the server speakers on, all sound events from the client are played on the server. Ideas? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 6 15:32:46 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:32:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <1088797435.5154.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000201c46054$b5290420$1803010a@paasda.org> <1088797435.5154.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40EAC61E.9060203@maltzen.net> Showing my age I suppose: Yes, I do remember when 40MB disks had to be split into two partitions because DOS couldn't handle anything larger than 32MB. I believe, though I'm not certain, that it was 3.2 that allowed partitions bigger than 32MB; but it had a number of bugs, which were fixed in 3.3 such that 3.3 became a standard recommendation. 4.0 came out, very buggy, 4.1 was arguably better, but getting fatter. It went downhill from there. 'Showing my age' means not only did I go through it, it's been so long I can't remember the exact details. ;-) Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > ...how to work around bugs that change every year. Does anyone > remember what version of MSDOS was the first to recognize more > than 32 Megs in a disk partition - or which hardware vendors added > their own hacks to earlier versions? (Repeat for 2.1 gigs, 8 gigs, > 32 gigs, 120 gigs, etc...). > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jul 6 15:56:51 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:56:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <40EAC61E.9060203@maltzen.net> References: <000201c46054$b5290420$1803010a@paasda.org> <1088797435.5154.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40EAC61E.9060203@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40EACBC3.2080006@netscape.net> Hi Les, Wasn't it MS-Dos 6 ? I believe that PC-DOS handled it in an earlier version ... M$ was always solw to catch up & by the look of things it hasn't changed much .... :-D norbert petre at maltzen.net wrote: > Showing my age I suppose: Yes, I do remember when 40MB disks had to be > split into two partitions because DOS couldn't handle anything larger > than 32MB. I believe, though I'm not certain, that it was 3.2 that > allowed partitions bigger than 32MB; but it had a number of bugs, > which were fixed in 3.3 such that 3.3 became a standard > recommendation. 4.0 came out, very buggy, 4.1 was arguably better, > but getting fatter. It went downhill from there. > > 'Showing my age' means not only did I go through it, it's been so long > I can't remember the exact details. ;-) > > Petre > > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> ...how to work around bugs that change every year. Does anyone >> remember what version of MSDOS was the first to recognize more >> than 32 Megs in a disk partition - or which hardware vendors added >> their own hacks to earlier versions? (Repeat for 2.1 gigs, 8 gigs, >> 32 gigs, 120 gigs, etc...). >> >> --- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 6 16:40:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:40:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <40EACBC3.2080006@netscape.net> References: <000201c46054$b5290420$1803010a@paasda.org> <1088797435.5154.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40EAC61E.9060203@maltzen.net> <40EACBC3.2080006@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1089132001.5114.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 10:56, norbert wrote: > Wasn't it MS-Dos 6 ? I believe that PC-DOS handled it in an earlier > version ... M$ was always solw to catch up & by the look of things it > hasn't changed much .... :-D The way I remember it (which could easily be wrong too...) was that the MS version of 3.2 had a per-disk limit of 32 Megs, but vendors like Compaq and AT&T supplied versions that allowed multiple 32 Meg partitons on one disk. 3.3 was the MS version with the same. Then 4.0 allowed bigger partitions but was so buggy it is best forgotten. Then Digital Research came out with DRDOS 5.0 that had some new nifty features like on-the-fly compression, partitions to 8 gigs, multitasking, etc. Almost immediately after, MS released MSDOS 5.0 with nearly identical features, but they later ended up buying the Stac Electronics company to make the lawsuits over stealing the compression code go away. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jul 6 16:46:24 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:46:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Driver Issues Message-ID: <40EAD760.7090309@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, Forgive me if this is an old question, but I'm new here, and new to the world of Linux in general. I'm trying to get some thin clients (old, repurposed machines) working and I can't seem to get the video card to work. Is there some trick I need to know or some specialized driver for Trident cards (9880, 9680, and 9440)? Any help would be appreciated. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Canola oil is actually grape seed oil but the name was changed in Canada for marketing reasons. From etajfa at tin.it Tue Jul 6 17:48:28 2004 From: etajfa at tin.it (etajfa at tin.it) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 19:48:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] xf86config Message-ID: <1089136066.4037.19.camel@server.ltsp> I'm trying to configure an old client and I've having troblems with the isa video card (cirrus logic gd5422). A soultion could be to create a complete XF86Config file. btw - I'm using k12ltsp 4.0.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.readme says: XF86CONFIG_FILE If you want to create your own complete XF86Config file, you can do so and place it in the /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc directory. Then, whatever you decide to call it needs to be entered as a value for this configuration variable. For example: # # XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.ws004 # As the /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc directory didn't exist (there is only /tftpboot/lts) I created it and put XF86Config.ws004 in it. Then I put the variable in the ws004 section of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf as shown above. But the client at boot time gives me an error: auto probe of the video card failed. This message shows that it couldn't find the file XF86Confog.ws004, I suppose. I then tried copying the file in /etc/X11/ - /opt/ltsp/i386/etc - /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 - but with the same result. Any idea? TIA Antonello From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jul 6 17:51:21 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:51:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <001001c4635c$5942af20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001001c4635c$5942af20$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40EAE699.50709@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > "#esdplay -s 192.168.0.250 test.wav" and nothing happens on the iMac but Only have a sec (bad day here) but I think I couldn't use esdplay, and rather had to use "esdcat" Try esdcat -s 192.168.0.250 < file.wav Sorry I can't test it now -- but give that a shake. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 6 18:20:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:20:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] In-Reply-To: <40EAE699.50709@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002301c46385$de8c3fb0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Same kind of day here. I will give it a try, thanks. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:51 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sound on Mac Thick Clients [SOLVED!!!] > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > "#esdplay -s 192.168.0.250 test.wav" and nothing happens on > the iMac > > but > > Only have a sec (bad day here) but I think I couldn't use > esdplay, and > rather had to use "esdcat" > > Try esdcat -s 192.168.0.250 < file.wav > > Sorry I can't test it now -- but give that a shake. > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 6 18:20:20 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:20:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Video Driver Issues In-Reply-To: <40EAD760.7090309@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: If you have a VGA monitor, and a VGA card, try this in the lts.conf file for that workstation. If you get video, then you can bump it up until it quits again and back it off until it shows up again. [computer1] #or whatever you want to nake that computer X_SERVER = XF86_trident #or X_SERVER = XF86_SVGA if you don't know X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 #This sets 8 bit (256) color X_MODE_0 = "640x480" #Screen Resolution X_HORZ_SYNC = "31-62" #May not be needed Then in your dhcpd.conf file make an entry for that computer using the MAC Address like this: host computer1 { hardware ethernet 00.00.00.00.00.00; #MAC address of NIC Don't forget to include the line for the path to the kernel. There will be examples in the dhcpd.conf file for that. This will set computer1 to get a specific set of information from the lts.conf file for the computer in question. Just make sure you use the same name in both places and restart dhcpd after any changes. computer1 can be whatever you want to use for a name, I just used that for an example. This works for me on just about any monitor and VGA card (greater than 2MB! of video RAM). Then once you get it going, you can up the resolution to 800x600 and see if it still works. Then try color depth at a higher standard value and see if it still works. 800x600 at 16 bit color is a good resolution if your card will support it. Remember, too, that the X server will sometimes not complete without a mouse working so make sure the mouse settings are correct. PS/2 for a PS/2 mouse is the default in the [Default] section in the lts.conf file so if the mouse is not a PS/2 style, for example a serial mouse, you will have to enter those settings under [computer1] in the lts.conf file, also. If your mouse is a serial one, try these settings: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" #ttyS0 for com1, ttyS1 for com2 Hope this helps! Doug On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > Forgive me if this is an old question, but I'm new here, and new to > the world of Linux in general. I'm trying to get some thin clients > (old, repurposed machines) working and I can't seem to get the video > card to work. Is there some trick I need to know or some specialized > driver for Trident cards (9880, 9680, and 9440)? Any help would be > appreciated. > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 6 19:04:55 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:04:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Capio One Message-ID: <003e01c4638c$1fe52a20$1803010a@paasda.org> For those of you getting demo's or purchasing them... SHIFT-F10 while booting is the hot-key to change the INT18 to INT19 (or vice-versa, I forget, but Shawn will have info here real quick I bet=) In order to properly facilitate the PXE boot from the K12LTSP Server. --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mplocher1 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 6 20:09:21 2004 From: mplocher1 at hotmail.com (Michael Plocher) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:09:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Notebook Lab Message-ID: Hi all, Background: We are a parochial school with ~300 students in PreK-8. I inherited an iMac lab (AppleShare IP server), and an ICS Windows lab. I want to switch to Linux as our main file server, Internet content filter, etc. Question: I plan on keeping the the Mac and Windows labs due to the $$ investment of edutainment software for those platforms already in place ( they will eventually be phased out), however, I am thinking about converting 24 Dell PI Laptops into a mobile linux lab to add a third lab to our school for this fall. Each laptop has a P233 processor, 3+ Gig hard drive, 128 mg memory, CD Rom & Floppy drive. I'd have to add my own NICs and was wondering if wireless would be possible, or even recommended. Any thoughts? Thanks. Mike Plocher Director of Technology St. Paul's Lutheran School New Ulm, MN 56073 _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up ? now 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jul 6 20:39:03 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:39:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs problems, continued In-Reply-To: <1089132001.5114.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000201c46054$b5290420$1803010a@paasda.org> <1088797435.5154.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40EAC61E.9060203@maltzen.net> <40EACBC3.2080006@netscape.net> <1089132001.5114.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40EB0DE7.9030307@netscape.net> Wow what a memory ! I'm impressed ... :-) norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 10:56, norbert wrote: > > > >>Wasn't it MS-Dos 6 ? I believe that PC-DOS handled it in an earlier >>version ... M$ was always solw to catch up & by the look of things it >>hasn't changed much .... :-D >> >> > >The way I remember it (which could easily be wrong too...) was that >the MS version of 3.2 had a per-disk limit of 32 Megs, but vendors >like Compaq and AT&T supplied versions that allowed multiple 32 Meg >partitons on one disk. 3.3 was the MS version with the same. 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URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 6 20:53:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:53:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Notebook Lab In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c4639b$3902c4e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > I'd have to add my own NICs and was > wondering if wireless would be possible, or even recommended. Any thoughts? I am definitely not the best person for a response on this list, but as far as wireless I myself wouln't even consider it. For one I have had enough trouble with wireless connection that have to be maintained steady over a period of time. Even when you have full signal wireless tends to drop enough packets here and there to disconnect your service, I would think this would be havock in LTSP. Second I tried LTSP with 10mb connections and it sucked. I can't fathom any wireless connection that would sustain enough bandwidth to make your users happy. Then you have the fun of finding a wireless NIC that has good linux drivers. That being said I am sure someone on the list is using it right now and would argue everything above while sending an email from it :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 6 21:13:41 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:13:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Notebook Lab In-Reply-To: <006401c4639b$3902c4e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004d01c4639e$1d3c7320$1803010a@paasda.org> If I were to do it... I'd simply install debian on all the laptops... run gnome/kde whichever you like...and use the laptops as stand alone platforms... could put whatever Educational/tainment apps you like on 'em... But to LTSP with them would be nightmare-ish I'd agree... oh and ltsp does work with wireless as far as the OS goes...=) I used it as a stand alone platform for testing things at home. I only had to add wireless support for my belkin card into the kernel and recompile =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:53 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Notebook Lab [SNIP] > I'd have to add my own NICs and was > wondering if wireless would be possible, or even recommended. Any thoughts? I am definitely not the best person for a response on this list, but as far as wireless I myself wouln't even consider it. For one I have had enough trouble with wireless connection that have to be maintained steady over a period of time. Even when you have full signal wireless tends to drop enough packets here and there to disconnect your service, I would think this would be havock in LTSP. Second I tried LTSP with 10mb connections and it sucked. I can't fathom any wireless connection that would sustain enough bandwidth to make your users happy. Then you have the fun of finding a wireless NIC that has good linux drivers. That being said I am sure someone on the list is using it right now and would argue everything above while sending an email from it :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jul 6 22:04:58 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:04:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Capio One In-Reply-To: <003e01c4638c$1fe52a20$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003e01c4638c$1fe52a20$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40EB220A.20901@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > SHIFT-F10 while booting is the hot-key to change the INT18 to INT19 (or > vice-versa, I forget, but Shawn will have info here real quick I bet=) Argh... whatta nightmare! Nice hardware though -- very sturdy, and built in powersupply (no blister pack) all for $199. ANYWAY, you need to: 1) get into BIOS, which is factory password protected. You could open it up, and short out the jumpers -- but it's easier to call Neoware tech support and asked nicely. :) The guy I reached assured me he wasn't supposed to let me know that the password is "dogbites" 2) set the machine to boot from LAN. Upon reboot, it won't -- but set it that way anywho. :) 3) THEN, when it starts, hit SHIFT-F10 as it boots. You'll get the menu to set the NIC for int18 or int19. It's set to "disabled" by default. (I forget too which it is, int18 or 19 that you want) 4) Next is to figure out the video card it has, because it's not auto-detected. :( -Shawn (very happy with the hardware. It's extremely sturdy, and with a metal case. Unlike the HP thin client, it's actually square enough and strong enough to put a monitor on top of...) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 6 22:24:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:24:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Capio One In-Reply-To: <40EB220A.20901@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <004e01c463a7$fd797420$1803010a@paasda.org> using 'VESA' works fine for the video =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Capio One Huck wrote: > SHIFT-F10 while booting is the hot-key to change the INT18 to INT19 > (or > vice-versa, I forget, but Shawn will have info here real quick I bet=) Argh... whatta nightmare! Nice hardware though -- very sturdy, and built in powersupply (no blister pack) all for $199. ANYWAY, you need to: 1) get into BIOS, which is factory password protected. You could open it up, and short out the jumpers -- but it's easier to call Neoware tech support and asked nicely. :) The guy I reached assured me he wasn't supposed to let me know that the password is "dogbites" 2) set the machine to boot from LAN. Upon reboot, it won't -- but set it that way anywho. :) 3) THEN, when it starts, hit SHIFT-F10 as it boots. You'll get the menu to set the NIC for int18 or int19. It's set to "disabled" by default. (I forget too which it is, int18 or 19 that you want) 4) Next is to figure out the video card it has, because it's not auto-detected. :( -Shawn (very happy with the hardware. It's extremely sturdy, and with a metal case. Unlike the HP thin client, it's actually square enough and strong enough to put a monitor on top of...) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Jul 7 02:02:13 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:02:13 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on the KT600/VT8237 Chipset Message-ID: <000501c463c6$6c7e7dc0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I need help Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on the KT600/VT8237 Chipset I have tried to follow the steps for making a driver disk given in this website http://fedoranews.org/contributors/mike_insch/sata/ But it refers to a slightly different version of the kernel and I have not had much luck yet. Can someone give me some tips? 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From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Jul 7 11:36:51 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:36:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] xf86config In-Reply-To: <20040707083727.GA1082@wizzy.com> References: <1089136066.4037.19.camel@server.ltsp> <20040707083727.GA1082@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <40EBE053.5060609@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Andy Rabagliati wrote: >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004, etajfa at tin.it wrote: > > >>I'm trying to configure an old client and I've having troblems with the >>isa video card (cirrus logic gd5422). >> > >So - you definitely need to specify the Xserver - using a server >from LTSP 3.0. > ^^^^^^^^^^ Don't you mean xfree86 3.x? --Jc From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Jul 7 10:26:39 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 6:26:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch Message-ID: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I managed to get a couple work stations booted and my internet connection working through eth1, but I've been told that a switch will work much better than the Netgear 8 port dual-speed hub that I have been attempting to use to connect to eth0. Can anybody verify this? Thanks! -Will From haysja at sages.us Wed Jul 7 11:34:23 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:34:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1089200063.40ebdfbf86150@sages.us> I would not even think of running K12LTSP on a hub. Definitely a switch. Quoting Will Hatch : > I managed to get a couple work stations booted and my internet connection > working through eth1, but I've been told that a switch will work much better > than the Netgear 8 port dual-speed hub that I have been attempting to use to > connect to eth0. Can anybody verify this? Thanks! -Will > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Wed Jul 7 12:07:53 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:07:53 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <200407070807.53452.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Wednesday 07 July 2004 06:26 am, Will Hatch wrote: > I managed to get a couple work stations booted and my internet connection > working through eth1, but I've been told that a switch will work much > better than the Netgear 8 port dual-speed hub that I have been attempting > to use to connect to eth0. Can anybody verify this? Thanks! -Will Will, A hub is like an old fashion 'party' telephone line. Each computer attached to the hub must share a limited pool of bandwidth with all of the other computers attached. This means only one computer can talk at a time which will definitely increase the latency of your connections. I suspect, if you have a 100Mbps hub and only a very few clients you will 'get away with' this shared bandwidth. But expect the hub to limit your clients performance fairly quickly as you add clients. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jul 7 12:12:54 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:12:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <40EBE8C6.8070500@inlandlakes.org> An "off the cuff" comparison is cars and packets. Imagine a road 80 feet wide, and a mile long with no lines, lanes, etc. Just a big road. Now imagine 5,000 cars on that road, all going in different directions, and stopping at different places along the way. Also imagine that half of the drivers are from England, and half are from the US. (The "which side of the road" debate) That's a hub. A switch would be the same road with lanes, laws, etc. Even "dumb" switches are TONS better than hubs. -Shawn Will Hatch wrote: > I managed to get a couple work stations booted and my internet connection working through eth1, but I've been told that a switch will work much better than the Netgear 8 port dual-speed hub that I have been attempting to use to connect to eth0. Can anybody verify this? Thanks! -Will > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From shawn at techcoms.net Wed Jul 7 12:35:56 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:35:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE -> FF Message-ID: <40EBEE2C.1060904@techcoms.net> My server duals as samba server acting as a domain controller. Is there a way that I can Have a script that deletes the shortcuts on the desktop,quicklaunch and startmenu for Internet Exploder. At the same time installing Mozilla Fire Fox. Maybe like a little vbscript or something that gets ran from the server when they login. Thanks From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Jul 7 12:36:16 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 8:36:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch Message-ID: <20040707123616.UORA14365.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Thanks all for the clear explanation. I'm off to buy a switch! > > From: Shawn Powers > Date: 2004/07/07 Wed AM 08:12:54 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch > > An "off the cuff" comparison is cars and packets. > > Imagine a road 80 feet wide, and a mile long with no lines, lanes, etc. > Just a big road. Now imagine 5,000 cars on that road, all going in > different directions, and stopping at different places along the way. > Also imagine that half of the drivers are from England, and half are > from the US. (The "which side of the road" debate) > > That's a hub. > > A switch would be the same road with lanes, laws, etc. > > Even "dumb" switches are TONS better than hubs. > > -Shawn > > > Will Hatch wrote: > > I managed to get a couple work stations booted and my internet connection working through eth1, but I've been told that a switch will work much better than the Netgear 8 port dual-speed hub that I have been attempting to use to connect to eth0. Can anybody verify this? Thanks! -Will > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Jul 7 12:38:44 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 8:38:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Router? Message-ID: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Should the internet connection coming out of my cable modem go directly to eth1 on the k12 server, or is it ok to plug into a dlink 4 port router and then into the server? From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 7 12:49:32 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:49:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: <20040707102639.JJYN23406.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: The switch will work better once you get several terminals wrking. You won't see much difference with just a few terminals. Get 3 or more (depending on hardware) and you'll start to see that hub getting bottlenecked. DS On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Will Hatch wrote: > I managed to get a couple work stations booted and my internet connection working through eth1, but I've been told that a switch will work much better than the Netgear 8 port dual-speed hub that I have been attempting to use to connect to eth0. Can anybody verify this? Thanks! -Will > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Jul 7 13:15:28 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:15:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Router? Message-ID: <070720041315.6618.40EBF770000C8E03000019DA22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> You can connect the k12 server to the LAN side of router with the wan port of the router connected to the cable modem (this is probably the most common scenario for most schools, businesses, home networks, etc). Just be sure you have your IP addressing and DNS set up correctly for the k12 server. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > Should the internet connection coming out of my cable modem go directly to eth1 > on the k12 server, or is it ok to plug into a dlink 4 port router and then into > the server? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Wed Jul 7 13:30:52 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:30:52 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Router? In-Reply-To: <200407070918.28243.john.hansknecht@udjesuit.org> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200407070918.28243.john.hansknecht@udjesuit.org> Message-ID: <200407070930.52903.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Wednesday 07 July 2004 08:38 am, Will Hatch wrote: > Should the internet connection coming out of my cable modem go directly > to eth1 on the k12 server, or is it ok to plug into a dlink 4 port router > and then into the server? Will, It won't hurt anything to plug the K12 server into a router and the router into the cable modem. If the router has a built in firewall so much the better. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 7 13:32:01 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:32:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Router? In-Reply-To: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> I would opt for using the D-Link router between your server and the cable modem, to provide some simple firewalling between your server and the internet. Yes, the server has firewalling built-in, via iptables, but considering all the uses the server has, it requires that a number of ports be open so the clients can talk to it. However, there's no reason for these ports to be open to the internet side. And yes, you can control that, too, through iptables, but it means you have to control all that through iptables. With the dlink router in there, you set it to allow no in-bound connections, or perhaps just port 22 so you can ssh in for admin purposes. Some people, like me, even run *another* router/firewall in there to create a real DMZ for web servers and the like. That way none of your internal boxes is accessible from the outside world except those web servers that you want to be accessible. Petre Will Hatch wrote: > Should the internet connection coming out of my cable modem go directly to eth1 on the k12 server, or is it ok to plug into a dlink 4 port router and then into the server? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Jul 7 13:36:03 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:36:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on the KT600/VT8237 Chipset In-Reply-To: <000501c463c6$6c7e7dc0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <000501c463c6$6c7e7dc0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <40EBFC43.2010605@netscape.net> Hi, I've installed k12ltsp V4.0.1. on a P-IV 2.8 Ghz with dual RAID SATA drives. I did not have to load any other drivers nor make any changes. The only notes ... are; 1) The BIOS ignored the SATA drives in the configuration when the computer first booted and indicates that there are no drives attached 2) Simply ignore the BIOS message and proceed with the CD installation it should work well. NOTE don't try installing a cluster therte you'll have to patch the kernel, (Mosix) to support SATA drives good luck norbert krsnendu at orcon.net.nz wrote: > I need help Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on the KT600/VT8237 > Chipset > > I have tried to follow the steps for making a driver disk given in > this website http://fedoranews.org/contributors/mike_insch/sata/ > > But it refers to a slightly different version of the kernel and I have > not had much luck yet. > > > > Can someone give me some tips? Or even better send the img file for > the driver disk. J > > My cpu is AMD 2500xp > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moody at mwt.net Wed Jul 7 14:33:59 2004 From: moody at mwt.net (Moody Ahmad) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:33:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 thin client = 4 terminals? In-Reply-To: <20040704211004.A11836@redline.comcast.net> References: <000001c4615e$9c53e360$6401a8c0@SS> <40E8A3CC.8080908@cmosnetworks.com> <20040704211004.A11836@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <40EC09D7.5020108@mwt.net> I recently came across this product that does exactly this. They seem to have a well thought out product. I am not sure I agree with their benefits compared to a k12ltsp setup. They have quite a bit of information on their website. Moody Richland Center, WI http://www.userful.com/products/1-box They a comparison table with thin clients and desktop setups: http://www.userful.com/products/discoverstation-product-guide#5.1 p.s. I run a k12ltsp setup for our local public library. We have a 16 terminal setup with a Dell 2600 server. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 7 15:16:50 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:16:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c46435$6d575220$1803010a@paasda.org> I wanted to test out the Hub vs. Switch theory so... I plugged in an old 24 port 10/100 hub =) with only 3 clients...muahahaha the collision light was solid(not merely blinking) and latency was not horrific but rather noticable... plug in the switch and it all went away... am still looking for a place to off-load some 3com hubs... or could be evil and only hook up windows machines to the hubs =) Muahahahah --Huck From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 7 15:26:41 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:26:41 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Router? In-Reply-To: <200407070930.52903.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <200407070918.28243.john.hansknecht@udjesuit.org> <200407070930.52903.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <0C1790F5-D02A-11D8-A6BE-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > It won't hurt anything to plug the K12 server into a router and the > router > into the cable modem. If the router has a built in firewall so much the > better. > > Yes, but K12LTSP should already have a firewall running on the external side, so you really don't NEED a router. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkDsFjEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTCQQCeMakcL0ZyONOuXr7+OZ11QUzH oBoAn2CqQ7II8UDqfLGOWwwAMpIdrPHk =EmDE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 7 15:30:34 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:30:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Router? In-Reply-To: <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <971EF230-D02A-11D8-A6BE-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The two network interfaces are handled differently by default, thus you allow pretty much all traffic on the LAN card while being pretty restrictive on the WAN card. To me, the decision to use or not use an external device boils down to your comfort level configuring iptables versus your router. (Or if you are really paranoid and want one more device between your server and the world.) On Jul 7, 2004, at 8:32 AM, Petre Scheie wrote: > I would opt for using the D-Link router between your server and the > cable modem, to provide some simple firewalling between your server > and the internet. Yes, the server has firewalling built-in, via > iptables, but considering all the uses the server has, it requires > that a number of ports be open so the clients can talk to it. > However, there's no reason for these ports to be open to the internet > side. And yes, you can control that, too, through iptables, but it > means you have to control all that through iptables. With the dlink > router in there, you set it to allow no in-bound connections, or > perhaps just port 22 so you can ssh in for admin purposes. Some > people, like me, even run *another* router/firewall in there to create > a real DMZ for web servers and the like. That way none of your > internal boxes is accessible from the outside world except those web > servers that you want to be accessible. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkDsFxsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXR/pQCdEhmr1UkyNIqq6wfcTT+SEfcG ixYAn11TpJ3sOtd+Bd8WmqIhSCdSwt0Y =JlPy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 7 15:32:12 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:32:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: <001401c46435$6d575220$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <001401c46435$6d575220$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eh, hook them up to the windows machines, since they don't need the bandwidth as much :). On Jul 7, 2004, at 10:16 AM, Huck wrote: > I wanted to test out the Hub vs. Switch theory so... I plugged in an > old > 24 port 10/100 hub =) > with only 3 clients...muahahaha the collision light was solid(not > merely > blinking) > and latency was not horrific but rather noticable... > > plug in the switch and it all went away... > am still looking for a place to off-load some 3com hubs... > or could be evil and only hook up windows machines to the hubs =) > Muahahahah > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkDsF3wACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTijQCeJkvFKwdniNvVDnNqkbcdGk/6 SCUAn1W7W8SjYeM0nOt50vX2YWdIi6fz =z1DR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 7 15:35:37 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:35:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Driver Issues In-Reply-To: <40EAD760.7090309@honeygroveisd.net> References: <40EAD760.7090309@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4B5D6B42-D02B-11D8-A6BE-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't know if anyone has answered your question, but the place to look is on Xfree86 (or now x.org)'s site. What you want to do is find the supported hardware list and see what module those cards use. Some really old cards were only supported in xfree3.x and many newer cards only work in xfree4.x. On Jul 6, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > Forgive me if this is an old question, but I'm new here, and new to > the world of Linux in general. I'm trying to get some thin clients > (old, repurposed machines) working and I can't seem to get the video > card to work. Is there some trick I need to know or some specialized > driver for Trident cards (9880, 9680, and 9440)? Any help would be > appreciated. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Canola oil is actually grape seed oil but the name was changed in > Canada for marketing reasons. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkDsGEkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRgKgCfb8sF/sEIamG5Wxjux+/6b3Ke pY8AniaOWXRA8hPGM8aYM4o8jmiUS4eE =E/eG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 7 15:40:35 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:40:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch In-Reply-To: <001401c46435$6d575220$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: It wouldn't matter if you only hooked the windows computer to the hub. . . they won't work good to start with so no one would even notice. . . MMUUUAAAhhhahahhahhhhh! DS On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Huck wrote: > I wanted to test out the Hub vs. Switch theory so... I plugged in an old > 24 port 10/100 hub =) > with only 3 clients...muahahaha the collision light was solid(not merely > blinking) > and latency was not horrific but rather noticable... > > plug in the switch and it all went away... > am still looking for a place to off-load some 3com hubs... > or could be evil and only hook up windows machines to the hubs =) > Muahahahah > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Jul 7 15:49:01 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 03:49:01 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on theKT600/VT8237 Chipset In-Reply-To: <40EBFC43.2010605@netscape.net> Message-ID: <002401c46439$ed4e4660$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I had no problems installing it on my other motherboard - same chip 2500 Athlon xp with Silicon Image SATA controller. But the VT8237 Chipset is not recognized by K12LTSP even though it is recognized by bios. I have tried following the instructions on the website mentioned below using the other machine as the host. But it isn't working yet. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of norbert Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2004 1:36 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on theKT600/VT8237 Chipset Hi, I've installed k12ltsp V4.0.1. on a P-IV 2.8 Ghz with dual RAID SATA drives. I did not have to load any other drivers nor make any changes. The only notes ... are; 1) The BIOS ignored the SATA drives in the configuration when the computer first booted and indicates that there are no drives attached 2) Simply ignore the BIOS message and proceed with the CD installation it should work well. NOTE don't try installing a cluster therte you'll have to patch the kernel, (Mosix) to support SATA drives good luck norbert krsnendu at orcon.net.nz wrote: I need help Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on the KT600/VT8237 Chipset I have tried to follow the steps for making a driver disk given in this website http://fedoranews.org/contributors/mike_insch/sata/ But it refers to a slightly different version of the kernel and I have not had much luck yet. Can someone give me some tips? Or even better send the img file for the driver disk. :-) My cpu is AMD 2500xp _____ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 7 21:38:18 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on theKT600/VT8237 Chipset In-Reply-To: <002401c46439$ed4e4660$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <002401c46439$ed4e4660$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think you might need to change a setting in BIOS for it to "legacy" something for it to work. Just something I've heard, not seen first hand. On Jul 7, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I had no problems installing it on my other motherboard ? same chip > 2500 Athlon xp with Silicon Image SATA controller. But the VT8237 > Chipset is not recognized by K12LTSP even though it is recognized by > bios. I have tried following the instructions on the website mentioned > below using the other machine as the host. But it isn?t working yet. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkDsbUoACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSGmQCeP7lDK3D1oOP8jgitAPlJ53A+ V7sAnitZqqwNHZlXp8/PBVu3fWz8Crgw =1I5l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mross at esd165.org Wed Jul 7 22:03:34 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:03:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on theKT600/VT8237 Chipset In-Reply-To: References: <002401c46439$ed4e4660$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <40EC7336.4@esd165.org> I am currently having headaches installing linux on our Brand New SuperMicro 5013C-MT. This is a 1U Pentium 4 server, with 4 hot-swapable SATA drive bays in front. The only trouble is that the SATA controller is not exactly supported by Linux yet. The SATA controler on this system is using a Marvell chipset. Looking around on various lists, it looks like alpha support has just appeared in an open-source implementation of the 'libata' driver, but that's only in the most recent 2.6.6 and 2.6.7 kernels. I don't know of any distros which install using those kernels. Checking with Supermicro's website, they have binary RPM drivers for Redhat 8 and 9 and for Suse, but what if I wanted to install appon a mirrored system drive? If you want to see the current list of supported SATA drivers, this page here has a fairly good summary: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html Wishing everything was open source, --Matt Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think you might need to change a setting in BIOS for it to "legacy" > something for it to work. Just something I've heard, not seen first > hand. > > On Jul 7, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >> I had no problems installing it on my other motherboard ? same chip >> 2500 Athlon xp with Silicon Image SATA controller. But the VT8237 >> Chipset is not recognized by K12LTSP even though it is recognized by >> bios. I have tried following the instructions on the website >> mentioned below using the other machine as the host. But it isn?t >> working yet. >> From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Jul 7 22:44:30 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:44:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on theKT600/VT8237Chipset In-Reply-To: <40EC7336.4@esd165.org> Message-ID: Matt, What SATA controller card is in that SuperMicro server. I also recently got a supermicro server with an Adaptec 1210S controller. I did not get it running. I just installed everything onto a normal IDE hd and have left the SATA till we get a different card - thinking getting a 3ware card. I'd be interested in seeing what they put in from the factory, as I think our card was added by our local retailer. Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Ross Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:04 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on theKT600/VT8237Chipset I am currently having headaches installing linux on our Brand New SuperMicro 5013C-MT. This is a 1U Pentium 4 server, with 4 hot-swapable SATA drive bays in front. The only trouble is that the SATA controller is not exactly supported by Linux yet. The SATA controler on this system is using a Marvell chipset. Looking around on various lists, it looks like alpha support has just appeared in an open-source implementation of the 'libata' driver, but that's only in the most recent 2.6.6 and 2.6.7 kernels. I don't know of any distros which install using those kernels. Checking with Supermicro's website, they have binary RPM drivers for Redhat 8 and 9 and for Suse, but what if I wanted to install appon a mirrored system drive? If you want to see the current list of supported SATA drivers, this page here has a fairly good summary: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html Wishing everything was open source, --Matt Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I think you might need to change a setting in BIOS for it to "legacy" > something for it to work. Just something I've heard, not seen first > hand. > > On Jul 7, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >> I had no problems installing it on my other motherboard ? same chip >> 2500 Athlon xp with Silicon Image SATA controller. But the VT8237 >> Chipset is not recognized by K12LTSP even though it is recognized by >> bios. I have tried following the instructions on the website >> mentioned below using the other machine as the host. But it isn?t >> working yet. >> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From shawn at techcoms.net Wed Jul 7 23:38:06 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:38:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IE -> FF In-Reply-To: <40EBEE2C.1060904@techcoms.net> References: <40EBEE2C.1060904@techcoms.net> Message-ID: <40EC895E.8000106@techcoms.net> I was also thinking of doing it this way . I have a proxy server in the network , I can redirect all users to a site and run a script to do it. But that would take the knowledge to create the virus like script and I would have to get around the priveledges I have set for my users. Creating script = learnable Changing Privs = pain in the rear any Ideas... Shawn Henderson wrote: > My server duals as samba server acting as a domain controller. Is there > a way that I can Have a script that deletes the shortcuts on the > desktop,quicklaunch and startmenu for Internet Exploder. At the same > time installing Mozilla Fire Fox. Maybe like a little vbscript or > something that gets ran from the server when they login. > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > . > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 8 02:06:16 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! Message-ID: K12LTSP 1.0 was released on July 4th 2001, our little project is now three years old! (yeah, yeah, I'm a couple days late ;-) -Eric From scott at hosef.org Thu Jul 8 02:12:37 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:12:37 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Boys and Girls Club Horror Message-ID: <40ECAD95.6080509@hosef.org> Wonder where all that spam is coming from? We, like the rest of you, set up and maintain thin-client labs. We have recently donated and are maintaining a thin-client lab for the teen center at the Ewa Beach Boys and Girls Club of Hawaii. Furthermore, we have given the custodian and a manager, previously without computers, each a Mandrake box. It is astounding, as you can all imagine, to see people effortlessly navigate a "strange" gui to get so much done. One lady using a Mandrake box has never asked for help and makes spreadsheets, schedules, documents, etc. She never saw Linux before. We all know these success stories, and the BGCH project is no exception. Here is the Horror. There is a previously donated Windows lab downstairs. I have already replaced one hosed box with Mandrake. These computers are so infected with virii, worms, and trojans that they may be attacking *you* Windows update no longer runs, and it is almost impossible to browse with IE without redirect and pop-up Hades. The lab is under contract to the company of one of members of the BOD, so I can't take it over. Ironically, it was initially a gift from the Case Foundation. I will, however, be putting Mandrake on a computer that had the following goodies in its taskbar: CTFMON.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/spyware.familykeylog.html FF.EXE http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.hllw.rirc.html WSup.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.huntbar.html WToolsA.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.huntbar.html msbb.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.ncase.html wupdater.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.hllw.polybot.html CMESys.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/dialer.iedisco.html WKufind.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.hllw.gaobot.ee.html VPTray.exe proof that norton is uninstalled mspmspsv.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.hllw.gaobot.ee.html WToolsS.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/adware.huntbar.html regsvc.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/backdoor.irc.cloner.html lsass.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sasser.b.worm.html csrss.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.dalbug.worm.html smss.exe http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.dalbug.worm.html I will further document this in a case study, but if any of you need testimony to the damage just one infected Windows computer can cause, look at this one. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/PR Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 scott at hosef.org 808.689.6518 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jul 8 02:50:52 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:50:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: > >K12LTSP 1.0 was released on July 4th 2001, >our little project is now three years old! > >(yeah, yeah, I'm a couple days late ;-) > >-Eric Happy Birthday to you! Happy Birthday to you! Happy Birthday dear K12LTSP..... Happy Birthday to you! *Blow out the candles* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From nsantiago at caclv.org Thu Jul 8 05:00:11 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:00:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! Message-ID: And for a minute I thought people were celebrating my birthday (July 5th). Guess not. Aw darn. -Nick _____ Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to call the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the War on Poverty, Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost $5 per person. Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. 1337 East Fifth Street Bethlehem, PA 18015 www.caclv.org _____ From: Eric Harrison [mailto:eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:06 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! K12LTSP 1.0 was released on July 4th 2001, our little project is now three years old! (yeah, yeah, I'm a couple days late ;-) -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From z-man at hawaii.rr.com Thu Jul 8 05:35:11 2004 From: z-man at hawaii.rr.com (Jeff Zidek) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:35:11 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] EPROMS that work with 3COM NICS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, It has been a long time since I have been more than a lurker on this list but I really could use some help. I now have use of an EPROM burner (Universal Type) and several 3Com 3C905-txnm and 3C90X (various types) and can't find exactly what eprom to buy to burn the image on. I have the manufacturers websites but there are so many possible selections and no help as to what goes with what. Please help. Jeff Zidek HOSEF (Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation) member. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Jul 8 05:37:28 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] EPROMS that work with 3COM NICS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff, That card takes a 32-bin Flash Eprom part. I use the 29ee512 chip with those. Take a look at http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/eproms.txt for more info about choosing eprom chips. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Jeff Zidek wrote: > Hi, It has been a long time since I have been more than a lurker on this list but I really could use some help. I now have use of an EPROM burner (Universal Type) and several 3Com 3C905-txnm and 3C90X (various types) and can't find exactly what eprom to buy to burn the image on. I have the manufacturers websites but there are so many possible selections and no help as to what goes with what. Please help. Jeff Zidek HOSEF (Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation) member. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Jul 8 08:15:27 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:15:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ED029F.7050904@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Eric Harrison wrote: >K12LTSP 1.0 was released on July 4th 2001, >our little project is now three years old! > >(yeah, yeah, I'm a couple days late ;-) > >-Eric > > In that case, a belated happy birthday from everyone in South Africa that's using K12LTSP as well! -JC From dermot at ictresource.co.uk Wed Jul 7 14:54:32 2004 From: dermot at ictresource.co.uk (Dermot Mc Laughlin) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:54:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] macromedia suite Message-ID: <200407071554.32224.dermot@ictresource.co.uk> Hi All, I'm looking into practicalities of implementing OS software + operating systems throughout a secondary school in England. I need to know if there is an open source alternative to the macromedia suite (excluding dreamweaver, since thats easier to replace) -- specifically flash and fireworks. These pieces of software seem to be the greatest stumbling blocks for my plans regarding the ICT department. Regards Dermot Mc Laughlin From mross at esd165.org Thu Jul 8 15:12:20 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:12:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on theKT600/VT8237Chipset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ED6454.1010906@esd165.org> Joe, As I stated in my previous email, it is a SuperMicro 5013C-MT. You can get a look at the box and it's attributes here: http://www.flytech.es/Supermicro/Productos/Servidores/Servidor%20Supermicro%205013C-MT.htm The Bios reports the SATA card as a Adaptec 1230XS or something close to that. I have learned that Adaptec has done the bios work for Marvell, but the chipset and driver should be for the same Marvell. We use a 3ware card in our backup server. That is an excellent card. The installer for it's programs is a bit buggy, but once you get it running it's quite easy to use. It's also nice to know that it emails me and my cell phone when A) a drive fails, B) when my hot-swap drive kicks in, and C) when it finised rebuilding the 2 Terabyte array. --Matt Joe Guenther wrote: >Matt, > >What SATA controller card is in that SuperMicro server. I also recently got a supermicro server with an Adaptec 1210S controller. I did not get it running. I just installed everything onto a normal IDE hd and have left the SATA till we get a different card - thinking getting a 3ware card. > >I'd be interested in seeing what they put in from the factory, as I think our card was added by our local retailer. > >Joe Guenther >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = >LANtech - Didsbury >Chinook's Edge School Div. > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Matthew Ross >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:04 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP to a SATA Hard Disk on >theKT600/VT8237Chipset > > >I am currently having headaches installing linux on our Brand New >SuperMicro 5013C-MT. This is a 1U Pentium 4 server, with 4 hot-swapable >SATA drive bays in front. The only trouble is that the SATA controller >is not exactly supported by Linux yet. > >The SATA controler on this system is using a Marvell chipset. Looking >around on various lists, it looks like alpha support has just appeared >in an open-source implementation of the 'libata' driver, but that's only >in the most recent 2.6.6 and 2.6.7 kernels. I don't know of any distros >which install using those kernels. Checking with Supermicro's website, >they have binary RPM drivers for Redhat 8 and 9 and for Suse, but what >if I wanted to install appon a mirrored system drive? > >If you want to see the current list of supported SATA drivers, this page >here has a fairly good summary: >http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html > >Wishing everything was open source, >--Matt > > > From raennnn at adelphia.net Thu Jul 8 15:15:18 2004 From: raennnn at adelphia.net (Roger Ellison) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:15:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installing eth1 nic after installing k12 In-Reply-To: <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1089299717.1082.52.camel@rae.home> Greetings all, I've got a K12 server where the software was originally installed with only eth0 (only one nic present). After the fact, we added a second nic, but the K12 clients can't access the internet. Are there some scripts that need to be run; or, should we just reinstall K12 (gasp). Roger (old newbie) From dsbaker at charter.net Thu Jul 8 15:51:21 2004 From: dsbaker at charter.net (dsbaker at charter.net) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:51:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.0.1 - SMP Kernel Question Message-ID: <3948se$2nui6a@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> Hi Folks, In the K12LTSP v4.0.1 release notes Eric mentioned that... "Reports of serious stability problems with SMP kernels continue. Mission-critical sites are still encouraged to stick with K12LTSP 3.1.2." Has this been fixed by one of the Fedora updates? Thanks much, Dave Baker From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Jul 8 15:58:35 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:58:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] installing eth1 nic after installing k12 In-Reply-To: <1089299717.1082.52.camel@rae.home> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> <1089299717.1082.52.camel@rae.home> Message-ID: <20040708155835.GA25697@perth.fpcc.net> On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 11:15:18AM -0400, Roger Ellison wrote: > Greetings all, > > I've got a K12 server where the software was originally installed with > only eth0 (only one nic present). After the fact, we added a second > nic, but the K12 clients can't access the internet. Are there some > scripts that need to be run; or, should we just reinstall K12 (gasp). Reinstalling is _almost_ never the answer. Your eth1 needs an IP address which is valid for the network it's connected to, as well as a valid gateway address (the IP address of a router which "knows" how to reach the Internet). It also needs to be able to connect to a working DNS server. So ... does that NIC have a valid IP address? Can you ping the router? If no, then there's a connection problem of some sort between the LTSP server and the router If yes, can you ping 216.239.41.104? (www.google.com) If no, then your router is either not talking to the Internet, or not configured to allow your server to reach the Internet. If yes, then can you ping www.google.com? If no, then you have DNS problems. What "nameserver" (maybe more than one) is listed in /etc/resolv.conf? Is it a valid IP address? If "nameserver" is pointing the your LTSP server (127.0.0.1, or 192.168.0.254 (if you're using the default address), is the named service running? Try "dig www.google.com" - what's the result? If you can answer any of these questions, we can probably get you going. It might also help if you can post (or email to me) the results of: 1) /sbin/route -n 2) cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 3) cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 4) cat /etc/resolf.conf 5) /sbin/ifconfig Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From raennnn at adelphia.net Thu Jul 8 16:17:00 2004 From: raennnn at adelphia.net (Roger Ellison) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:17:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] installing eth1 nic after installing k12 In-Reply-To: <20040708155835.GA25697@perth.fpcc.net> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> <1089299717.1082.52.camel@rae.home> <20040708155835.GA25697@perth.fpcc.net> Message-ID: <1089303419.1082.72.camel@rae.home> On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 11:58, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 11:15:18AM -0400, Roger Ellison wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > I've got a K12 server where the software was originally installed with > > only eth0 (only one nic present). After the fact, we added a second > > nic, but the K12 clients can't access the internet. Are there some > > scripts that need to be run; or, should we just reinstall K12 (gasp). > > Reinstalling is _almost_ never the answer. > > Your eth1 needs an IP address which is valid for the network it's connected to, as well > as a valid gateway address (the IP address of a router which "knows" how to reach the > Internet). It also needs to be able to connect to a working DNS server. > > So ... does that NIC have a valid IP address? > Can you ping the router? > If no, then there's a connection problem of some sort between the LTSP server and the router > If yes, can you ping 216.239.41.104? (www.google.com) > If no, then your router is either not talking to the Internet, or not configured to allow your > server to reach the Internet. > If yes, then can you ping www.google.com? > If no, then you have DNS problems. What "nameserver" (maybe more than one) is listed in /etc/resolv.conf? > Is it a valid IP address? If "nameserver" is pointing the your LTSP server (127.0.0.1, or 192.168.0.254 (if > you're using the default address), is the named service running? Try "dig www.google.com" - what's the result? > > If you can answer any of these questions, we can probably get you going. > > It might also help if you can post (or email to me) the results of: > > 1) /sbin/route -n > 2) cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > 3) cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 > 4) cat /etc/resolf.conf > 5) /sbin/ifconfig > > Calvin eth1 has a valid ip address. The internet is reachable from the K12 server, but not from any of the clients. Unfortunately, the server is a 30 drive away and I won't be in front of it until three hours from now. Roger From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 8 16:24:12 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 09:24:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.0.1 - SMP Kernel Question In-Reply-To: <3948se$2nui6a@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3948se$2nui6a@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <1089303852.19299.12.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 08:51, dsbaker at charter.net wrote: > Hi Folks, > > In the K12LTSP v4.0.1 release notes Eric mentioned that... > > "Reports of serious stability problems with SMP kernels continue. Mission-critical sites are still encouraged to stick with K12LTSP 3.1.2." > > Has this been fixed by one of the Fedora updates? > > Thanks much, > > Dave Baker It appears to be fixed in the latest updates, at least it fixes the problem for me. Role call: is anyone still having SMP lockup issues with the latest kernels? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dalen at czexan.net Thu Jul 8 17:20:33 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:20:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40ED8261.9070703@czexan.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > K12LTSP 1.0 was released on July 4th 2001, > our little project is now three years old! > > (yeah, yeah, I'm a couple days late ;-) > > -Eric Eric, Congrats for the great K12LTSP achivements over the years! And thanks for all your hard work! Thanks, Dale From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Jul 8 18:09:03 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:09:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] installing eth1 nic after installing k12 In-Reply-To: <1089303419.1082.72.camel@rae.home> References: <20040707123844.VMCS13168.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <40EBFB51.5010807@maltzen.net> <1089299717.1082.52.camel@rae.home> <20040708155835.GA25697@perth.fpcc.net> <1089303419.1082.72.camel@rae.home> Message-ID: <20040708180903.GA27128@perth.fpcc.net> On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 12:17:00PM -0400, Roger Ellison wrote: > eth1 has a valid ip address. The internet is reachable from the K12 > server, but not from any of the clients. Unfortunately, the server is a > 30 drive away and I won't be in front of it until three hours from now. Hmmm ... if the clients are based directly on the K12 server, then they _should_ be able to reach the Internet. That's because they are running ON the server, and merely displaying to a different computer (i.e., the client) For systems which aren't directly running from the K12 server, there are two issues: 1) NAT (network address translation) must be running. If you've a newer version of K12LTSP then install the "nat" package and activate it ("chkconfig nat on;service nat start"). It defaults to sending packets to the outside via eth1, so it should work "out-of-the-box" for you. 2) How do other systems on the LAN get their DNS information? Are they pointing to a valid DNS server? Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Jul 8 19:14:54 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:14:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Local printer prints test page, but not user apps Message-ID: <1089314094.18630.12.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Following a hard disc crash and total system restore, my local printer will print a test page (via printconf-gui with root login), but it won't print from my user apps such as OpenOffice.org or Mozilla. As user, I can also print text files by command line, e.g. lpr test.txt. I bet the problem is dead simple, can anyone suggest where to check? Thanks for any ideas! John Ingleby ************ From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Jul 8 19:24:27 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:24:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] macromedia suite In-Reply-To: <20040708160016.8B5BE73A24@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040708160016.8B5BE73A24@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1089314667.18630.21.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Dermot, Macromedia have produced a Flash plugin that works fine in Mozilla - see http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Flash I'm told that Fireworks and Dreamweaver MX both run on Linux under Wine. If we can give you any additional help over at www.schoolforge.org.uk, please let us know! Best regards, John Ingleby ************ > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:54:32 +0100 > From: Dermot Mc Laughlin > Subject: [K12OSN] macromedia suite > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <200407071554.32224.dermot at ictresource.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All, > > I'm looking into practicalities of implementing OS software + operating > systems throughout a secondary school in England. I need to know if there is > an open source alternative to the macromedia suite (excluding dreamweaver, > since thats easier to replace) -- specifically flash and fireworks. These > pieces of software seem to be the greatest stumbling blocks for my plans > regarding the ICT department. > > Regards > Dermot Mc Laughlin From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 8 19:21:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:21:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Local printer prints test page, but not user apps In-Reply-To: <1089314094.18630.12.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Message-ID: <003f01c46520$b4a6b6c0$1803010a@paasda.org> CUPS configuration? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Ingleby Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:15 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Local printer prints test page, but not user apps Following a hard disc crash and total system restore, my local printer will print a test page (via printconf-gui with root login), but it won't print from my user apps such as OpenOffice.org or Mozilla. As user, I can also print text files by command line, e.g. lpr test.txt. I bet the problem is dead simple, can anyone suggest where to check? Thanks for any ideas! John Ingleby ************ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sjsj at freespace.net Thu Jul 8 22:05:40 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:05:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40EDC534.4030506@freespace.net> Entonces espero que hayas tenido un feliz cumplea?os. Estas son las ma?itas la la la la ???????????????? Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > And for a minute I thought people were celebrating my birthday (July 5th). > Guess not. Aw darn. > > -Nick > > > > > > _____ > > Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to > call > the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the > War on Poverty, > Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost $5 > per person. > Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. > Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. > 1337 East Fifth Street > Bethlehem, PA 18015 > www.caclv.org > > _____ > > > From: Eric Harrison [mailto:eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:06 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! > > > K12LTSP 1.0 was released on July 4th 2001, > our little project is now three years old! > > (yeah, yeah, I'm a couple days late ;-) > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robert_420_1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 9 03:08:02 2004 From: robert_420_1 at yahoo.com (bob sponge) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] stop Message-ID: <20040709030802.40568.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com> stop sending me information about the k12 project it has been completed the only question i have is about the fedora version for some reason it won't let me use some of the network cards that were used on redhat 9 during the spring. thank you robert conn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jul 9 03:19:30 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:19:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] stop In-Reply-To: <20040709030802.40568.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040709030802.40568.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >stop sending me information about the k12 project it has been completed Huh? If you don't want these messages then unsubscribe! :-) This is a listserv....listservs are automated. You'll need to unsubscribe if you want to stop the mail from coming. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 9 04:10:35 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:10:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] stop In-Reply-To: References: <20040709030802.40568.qmail@web61207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40EE1ABB.4080304@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > listservs are automated. You mean you guys are all ROBOTS?!?!?! ;o) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Jul 9 04:10:07 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:10:07 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] stop Message-ID: Shawn Powers wrote: >> You mean you guys are all ROBOTS?!?!?! << Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but these days *I* certainly seem to be an email-based life-form. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Jul 9 11:52:07 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:52:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: installing eth1 nic after installing k12 Message-ID: <67231FCF-D19E-11D8-B474-000D93C37616@chatham.k12.nc.us> Roger wrote: >>> Greetings all, >>> >>> I've got a K12 server where the software was originally installed >>> with >>> only eth0 (only one nic present). After the fact, we added a second >>> nic, but the K12 clients can't access the internet. Are there some >>> scripts that need to be run; or, should we just reinstall K12 (gasp). Then Calvin wrote: >> Reinstalling is _almost_ never the answer. >> >> Your eth1 needs an IP address which is valid for the network it's >> connected to, as well >> as a valid gateway address (the IP address of a router which "knows" >> how to reach the >> Internet). It also needs to be able to connect to a working DNS >> server. >> >> So ... does that NIC have a valid IP address? Then Roger replied: > eth1 has a valid ip address. The internet is reachable from the K12 > server, but not from any of the clients. Unfortunately, the server is > a > 30 drive away and I won't be in front of it until three hours from now. > > Roger Roger, It sounds like you may want to check your firewall settings. I've been bitten by that one before when I had similar problems. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get to school. From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Jul 9 14:12:12 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:12:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not booting up with new edits in lts.conf Message-ID: hello all I'm moving off my ltsp 3.0 server to 4.0.1. I have several machines with edits to the lts.conf file. I tried the first one with no edits and it booted fine but with the video problems (wavy, double image). So, I took the lts.conf edits from my old server and inserted them into the new server. I get stuck at mounting rootfilesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254 So, I pulled the edit and it booted again with same video problems. So, I added just the #[air19] which is name of machine and the mac address [00:0c:41:26:D4:41] and I got the same hanging on the client. Any ideas what is different from the older version to this one? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Jul 9 12:02:21 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:02:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: <40ED8261.9070703@czexan.net> Message-ID: <2733415452.1089360141@[10.2.60.5]> Eric, K12LTSP and LTSP are the finest examples of OpenSource power and possibility. IMHO I put LTSP up there with Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, and gcc, as gems of the modern computing era software wise. Awesome job. This has been a fun ride and a great learning experience. Thank you for your time. Tom Ventresco From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 9 14:35:37 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:35:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] clients not booting up with new edits in lts.conf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try putting the parameters you edit in lts.conf inside quotes. example: X_MODE_0 = "800x600" instead of: X_MODE_0 = 800x600 This got me the other night, too after a new install of FC1. . . DS On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Shane Stafford wrote: > hello all > > I'm moving off my ltsp 3.0 server to 4.0.1. I have several machines with > edits to the lts.conf file. I tried the first one with no edits and it > booted fine but with the video problems (wavy, double image). So, I took > the lts.conf edits from my old server and inserted them into the new > server. I get stuck at mounting rootfilesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from > 192.168.0.254 > > So, I pulled the edit and it booted again with same video problems. So, I > added just the > #[air19] which is name of machine and the mac address > [00:0c:41:26:D4:41] and I got the same hanging on the client. Any > ideas what is different from the older version to this one? > > thanks > Shane > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Jul 9 15:01:14 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:01:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment In-Reply-To: <20040707154909.30ABB7377D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040707154909.30ABB7377D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40EEB33A.1050005@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I've got a well-established Windows NT domain running here, and I'm trying to add some Linux terminals to the mix. I know very little about Linux in general and even less about Terminal Services specifically. There are a couple of things I want to do, but I don't know how, or if they're even possible. Is there some way to synchronize the Linux server with my NT Primary Domain Controller so that my users can log on to the terminals with their existing NT user names and passwords? Also, is there some way to access the existing network printers? We've got several workgroup printers (HP Color LaserJet 4500 and Oki C5100N) setup throughout the campuses that are shared via Windows NT servers. Can the Linux server get access to them so that users can simply select with printer they want to print to? Does Samba do that? I've read that I can share a printer connected to a Linux machine with Windows machines, but does it work the other way around? I've done a cursory search on the Web and haven't found Linux drivers for these printers, so I don't quite know what to do. If someone could set me straight here, I would appreciated it. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot." -- Clarence Thomas From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 9 15:39:27 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment In-Reply-To: <40EEB33A.1050005@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20040709153927.76002.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> You can have your linux box authenticate against your NT box. I havent done it myself but I think you use winbind to do it. When you start your new fedora box for the first time, there will be a authentication configuration window and you can pick winbind from there. If you miss that screen at startup, you can go to System Settings -> Authentication. With the printers, just go to the printer control panel thing in fedora and add a new printer. One of the queue type selections is a Windows Network (SMB). Pick that while adding a printer. --- Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I've got a well-established Windows NT domain > running here, and I'm > trying to add some Linux terminals to the mix. I > know very little about > Linux in general and even less about Terminal > Services specifically. > There are a couple of things I want to do, but I > don't know how, or if > they're even possible. Is there some way to > synchronize the Linux > server with my NT Primary Domain Controller so that > my users can log on > to the terminals with their existing NT user names > and passwords? Also, > is there some way to access the existing network > printers? We've got > several workgroup printers (HP Color LaserJet 4500 > and Oki C5100N) setup > throughout the campuses that are shared via Windows > NT servers. Can the > Linux server get access to them so that users can > simply select with > printer they want to print to? Does Samba do that? > I've read that I > can share a printer connected to a Linux machine > with Windows machines, > but does it work the other way around? I've done a > cursory search on > the Web and haven't found Linux drivers for these > printers, so I don't > quite know what to do. If someone could set me > straight here, I would > appreciated it. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "Good manners will open doors that the best > education cannot." -- Clarence Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 9 15:50:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:50:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment In-Reply-To: <40EEB33A.1050005@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20040707154909.30ABB7377D@hormel.redhat.com> <40EEB33A.1050005@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1089388208.12018.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 10:01, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Is there some way to synchronize the Linux > server with my NT Primary Domain Controller so that my users can log on > to the terminals with their existing NT user names and passwords? If you don't mind creating the user accounts on the Linux side you can use smb authentication (a checkbox item during install or run 'authconfig' to change) against the domain controller to check passwords. If you want the accounts to be created on the fly you need winbind which has a more complicated setup. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dgough at papcs.com Fri Jul 9 16:08:30 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:08:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LAMP site on CD Message-ID: <1089389309.2405.26.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> I recently stumbled across some opensource software that lets you put a LAMP based site on CD for distribution. Unfortunately, I didn't bookmark it. Does anyone on this list have any idea what I'm talking about? Doug Gough From dalen at czexan.net Fri Jul 9 16:22:57 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:22:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment In-Reply-To: <1089388208.12018.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040707154909.30ABB7377D@hormel.redhat.com> <40EEB33A.1050005@honeygroveisd.net> <1089388208.12018.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40EEC661.7010102@czexan.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > If you don't mind creating the user accounts on the Linux > side you can use smb authentication (a checkbox item during > install or run 'authconfig' to change) against the domain > controller to check passwords. If you want the accounts > to be created on the fly you need winbind which has a more > complicated setup. Les, I tried enabling smb authentication once during a new install but was unable to login as root after the install. I assumed that pam would look for a local shadow password to authenticate against and if not found, try to authenticate with the domain controller. Is this assumtion correct? Should I have added domain accounts before enabling smb or should I have added the machine to the domain? I'll have to try this again in the future after reading the authconfig man page. Thanks, Dale From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri Jul 9 16:32:00 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment In-Reply-To: <40EEB33A.1050005@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20040707154909.30ABB7377D@hormel.redhat.com> <40EEB33A.1050005@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200407091232.00519.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Friday 09 July 2004 11:01 am, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I've got a well-established Windows NT domain running here, and I'm > trying to add some Linux terminals to the mix. I know very little about > Linux in general and even less about Terminal Services specifically. > There are a couple of things I want to do, but I don't know how, or if > they're even possible. Is there some way to synchronize the Linux > server with my NT Primary Domain Controller so that my users can log on > to the terminals with their existing NT user names and passwords? We use Winbind combined with pam_mkhomedir to authenticate users against our windows domain and create the users local home directory. You can find information on winbind on the samba.org site and information on pam_mkhomedir here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam-6.html#ss6.15 If you through in pam_mount (http://www.flyn.org/projects/pam_mount/) you can actually mount the users windows home drives as a subfolder of there linux home drive. If you decide to give it a whirl and get stuck feel free to drop me a line with your questions. Thanks, John Hansknecht Director of Technology University of Detroit Jesuit High School & Academy phone: 313-927-2321 email: john.hansknecht at udjesuit.org From mross at esd165.org Fri Jul 9 17:12:44 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:12:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Curious Question Message-ID: <40EED20C.4040302@esd165.org> Here's a question... My boss, as much as he loves our LTSP server so far, would love to have a hot-swap backup server as well. Basically, he's wondering if there is a way to have a fault-tollerant setup for an LTSP server. Since the /home directories will be on a diffrent server alltogether, the user's information would still be there even if our LTSP server crashed. And I understand that the user's current sessions would fail in the event of a LTSP server failure, but if they rebooted their thin clients, is there a way to have a "backup server" jump in and take over? Just a thought... --Matt From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Jul 9 17:34:38 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:34:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LAMP site on CD In-Reply-To: <1089389309.2405.26.camel@douglinux.papcs.com> Message-ID: <004701c465db$02c62600$6601a8c0@HAYNESTLAPTOP> Are you thinking maybe http://lamppix.tinowagner.com/? It doesn't use apache... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:09 AM To: K12osn Subject: [K12OSN] OT: LAMP site on CD I recently stumbled across some opensource software that lets you put a LAMP based site on CD for distribution. Unfortunately, I didn't bookmark it. Does anyone on this list have any idea what I'm talking about? Doug Gough _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 9 18:54:38 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:54:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment Message-ID: <200407091736.i69HaL712317@downeast.net> I USE WINBIND FOR AUTHENTICATION TO A W2000 DOMAIN..WORKS VERY WELL.You will find an excellent discussion in John Terpstra's Samba 3 book..I have it working in rh9 and fedora core..vhuvk > Hello all, > I've got a well-established Windows NT domain running here, and I'm > trying to add some Linux terminals to the mix. I know very little about > Linux in general and even less about Terminal Services specifically. > There are a couple of things I want to do, but I don't know how, or if > they're even possible. Is there some way to synchronize the Linux > server with my NT Primary Domain Controller so that my users can log on > to the terminals with their existing NT user names and passwords? Also, > is there some way to access the existing network printers? We've got > several workgroup printers (HP Color LaserJet 4500 and Oki C5100N) setup > throughout the campuses that are shared via Windows NT servers. Can the > Linux server get access to them so that users can simply select with > printer they want to print to? Does Samba do that? I've read that I > can share a printer connected to a Linux machine with Windows machines, > but does it work the other way around? I've done a cursory search on > the Web and haven't found Linux drivers for these printers, so I don't > quite know what to do. If someone could set me straight here, I would > appreciated it. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "Good manners will open doors that the best education cannot." -- Clarence Thomas > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From pauldavison at psps.com Fri Jul 9 19:19:26 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:19:26 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Curious Question In-Reply-To: <40EED20C.4040302@esd165.org> References: <40EED20C.4040302@esd165.org> Message-ID: <40EEEFBE.4080205@psps.com> Matthew Ross wrote: > Here's a question... > > My boss, as much as he loves our LTSP server so far, would love to > have a hot-swap backup server as well. Basically, he's wondering if > there is a way to have a fault-tollerant setup for an LTSP server. > > Since the /home directories will be on a diffrent server alltogether, > the user's information would still be there even if our LTSP server > crashed. > > And I understand that the user's current sessions would fail in the > event of a LTSP server failure, but if they rebooted their thin > clients, is there a way to have a "backup server" jump in and take over? > Hi Matt, There is no reason you couldn't have a hot-spare LTSP server. There are various solutions to that problem with various degrees of difficulty and automation. You could google for some terms like High availability, Linux and heartbeat to find some info. Also Sysadmin magazine did an article on high-availability with redhat 6.2 a while back, the link is http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1146/sam0109c/0109c.htm Essentially, most automated solutions have some basic components in common. Two "similar" servers, some form of mirroring between servers, some way for the 'slave' to know if the 'master' is offline. A script which does the tasks of taking over the 'master' IP and a script which keeps the master from re-taking the IP until it has been fixed. Definitely worth looking into if you have a remote site or require high-availability. The key to most high availability solutions is to remove single points of failure (SPOFs). Hope that helps, Paul From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Jul 9 20:06:43 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:06:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone running apache on their k12ltsp box? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709130205.01b801d0@pop.easystreet.com> Hi, I've got a small, low volume web site on my k12ltsp box. It's actually serving my mp3 collection. I want it to be password protected from the outside world, so I don't get in trouble with the RIAA, but I want the clients and other users on the LAN not to be challenged for a password. When I make changes to the .htaccess page in the directory all of a sudden the clients get the default apache page that says that the server isn't set up. When I change it back, they get asked for the password, but sent through to the proper directory. Is anybody else doing this? What's the proper way to set this up? I don't know whether to restrict by IP, or what. Any ideas? Thanks, ck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 9 20:26:03 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:26:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone running apache on their k12ltsp box? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709130205.01b801d0@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709130205.01b801d0@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1089404763.19299.67.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 13:06, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a small, low volume web site on my k12ltsp box. It's actually > serving my mp3 collection. I want it to be password protected from the > outside world, so I don't get in trouble with the RIAA, but I want the > clients and other users on the LAN not to be challenged for a > password. When I make changes to the .htaccess page in the directory all > of a sudden the clients get the default apache page that says that the > server isn't set up. When I change it back, they get asked for the > password, but sent through to the proper directory. Is anybody else doing > this? What's the proper way to set this up? I don't know whether to > restrict by IP, or what. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, You can do an allow from domain and/or IP range, otherwise require a password. Here's a simple example that would give access to anyone with a "k12.or.us" domain name or an ip address of 10.x.x.x or 198.236.x.x, everyone else gets prompted for a password: deny from all allow from .k12.or.us 10.0.0.0/8 198.236.0.0/16 AuthType Basic AuthUserFile /etc/httpd/conf/passwd require valid-user satisfy any -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pauldavison at psps.com Fri Jul 9 20:27:02 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:27:02 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone running apache on their k12ltsp box? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709130205.01b801d0@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709130205.01b801d0@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <40EEFF96.1060604@psps.com> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a small, low volume web site on my k12ltsp box. It's > actually serving my mp3 collection. I want it to be password > protected from the outside world, so I don't get in trouble with the > RIAA, but I want the clients and other users on the LAN not to be > challenged for a password. When I make changes to the .htaccess page > in the directory all of a sudden the clients get the default apache > page that says that the server isn't set up. When I change it back, > they get asked for the password, but sent through to the proper > directory. Is anybody else doing this? What's the proper way to set > this up? I don't know whether to restrict by IP, or what. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > ck Hi Carl, If there is no reason for anyone outside of your internal network to be using your webserver, you should probably just firewall it off from the outside world. Then your internal users don't have to deal with authentication, and the webserver doesn't even exist to the outside world. I am sure you could restrict access by IP from the httpd.conf file as well, but firewalling is probably easier since you probably already have a firewall between you and the internet anyway. hope that helps Paul From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 9 20:47:50 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:47:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Curious Question In-Reply-To: <40EED20C.4040302@esd165.org> References: <40EED20C.4040302@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1089406069.19299.70.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 10:12, Matthew Ross wrote: > Here's a question... > > My boss, as much as he loves our LTSP server so far, would love to have > a hot-swap backup server as well. Basically, he's wondering if there is > a way to have a fault-tollerant setup for an LTSP server. > > Since the /home directories will be on a diffrent server alltogether, > the user's information would still be there even if our LTSP server crashed. > > And I understand that the user's current sessions would fail in the > event of a LTSP server failure, but if they rebooted their thin clients, > is there a way to have a "backup server" jump in and take over? > > Just a thought... > > --Matt > This is how I setup Riverdale High School. They have four servers, a user can log into anyone of them. If one fails, they just log back into one of the other three. Here is the quick howto I wrote up on this config: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AXdmChooser -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 9 22:47:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:47:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment Message-ID: <200407092128.i69LSh708016@downeast.net> in an ltsp environment you can auth to w2000 using winbind and add those network printers to your ltsp server...can evenmount your nt shares so they are available to sers of linux terminals...happy to share configs. that work for me..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From shawn at techcoms.net Fri Jul 9 23:19:55 2004 From: shawn at techcoms.net (Shawn Henderson) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:19:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone running apache on their k12ltsp box? In-Reply-To: <40EEFF96.1060604@psps.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040709130205.01b801d0@pop.easystreet.com> <40EEFF96.1060604@psps.com> Message-ID: <40EF281B.9080501@techcoms.net> block port 80 or whatever port your www server is running to the outside world. I agree firewall is the easiest Paul Davison wrote: > Carl Keil wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've got a small, low volume web site on my k12ltsp box. It's >> actually serving my mp3 collection. I want it to be password >> protected from the outside world, so I don't get in trouble with the >> RIAA, but I want the clients and other users on the LAN not to be >> challenged for a password. When I make changes to the .htaccess page >> in the directory all of a sudden the clients get the default apache >> page that says that the server isn't set up. When I change it back, >> they get asked for the password, but sent through to the proper >> directory. Is anybody else doing this? What's the proper way to set >> this up? I don't know whether to restrict by IP, or what. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> >> ck > > > Hi Carl, > > If there is no reason for anyone outside of your internal network to be > using your webserver, you should probably just firewall it off from the > outside world. Then your internal users don't have to deal with > authentication, and the webserver doesn't even exist to the outside > world. I am sure you could restrict access by IP from the httpd.conf > file as well, but firewalling is probably easier since you probably > already have a firewall between you and the internet anyway. > hope that helps > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > . > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sat Jul 10 18:35:31 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:35:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using dd to get 1474560 bytes Message-ID: <20040710143531.558f89d5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I have a strange problems, I am trying to make a multi-boot CD, using MBCD. (This is a script/program found at http://cowww.epfl.ch/~swalter/mbcd/) It is a really great way for me to get a number of my own boot floppies onto one CD, and reduce the clutter in my toolbox. I made an image of a boot floppy using 'dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img' and did not see any errors. when I do a 'ls -l' it shows floppy.img to be 1474560 bytes. But when I do a 'du -b' it shows floppy.img to be 1478656 bytes. Now the mbcd script uses the 'du -b' method to verify the size of the image, and requires it to be 1474560 or 2949120 bytes. So what am I doing wrong? I tried adding bs=1474560 and bs=2x80x18b to the 'dd' command, but no change. I have also tried it with 3 different boot floppies. ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From les at futuresource.com Sat Jul 10 20:46:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:46:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP in a Windows Environment In-Reply-To: <40EEC661.7010102@czexan.net> Message-ID: > Les, > I tried enabling smb authentication once during a new install but was > unable to login as root after the install. I assumed that pam would > look for a local shadow password to authenticate against and if not > found, try to authenticate with the domain controller. Is this > assumtion correct? That's the way mine works. If the local password matches it should work and if not it will check against the domain controller. Some of my accounts have working local passwords, some don't. I've never been able to make cvs' pserver mode work with pam, so the people who use cvs keep their Linux password up to date. Most others just use their Windows domain password. > Should I have added domain accounts before enabling > smb or should I have added the machine to the domain? You should add the machine to the domain, but this shouldn't affect a root login or anyone else with a working local password. Note that authconfig just builds the pam config files for you. If you want to customize them even more you still can. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Jul 11 02:38:38 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:38:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using dd to get 1474560 bytes In-Reply-To: <20040710143531.558f89d5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040710143531.558f89d5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <20040710223838.2863d521.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Sorry, I just realized that I posted this to the wrong group, well maybe someone here can help me out as well. Sorry for the OT On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:35:31 -0400 Gentgeen wrote: > I have a strange problems, I am trying to make a multi-boot CD, using > MBCD. (This is a script/program found at > http://cowww.epfl.ch/~swalter/mbcd/) It is a really great way for me to > get a number of my own boot floppies onto one CD, and reduce the clutter > in my toolbox. > > I made an image of a boot floppy using 'dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img' > and did not see any errors. when I do a 'ls -l' it shows floppy.img to > be 1474560 bytes. But when I do a 'du -b' it shows floppy.img to be > 1478656 bytes. Now the mbcd script uses the 'du -b' method to verify > the size of the image, and requires it to be 1474560 or 2949120 bytes. > > So what am I doing wrong? I tried adding bs=1474560 and bs=2x80x18b to > the 'dd' command, but no change. I have also tried it with 3 different > boot floppies. > > > > ****************************************************************** > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own > reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. > - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From nelsda at yahoo.com Sun Jul 11 21:58:52 2004 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] using dd to get 1474560 bytes In-Reply-To: <20040710143531.558f89d5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <20040711215852.51812.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> > I made an image of a boot floppy using 'dd > if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img' > and did not see any errors. when I do a 'ls -l' it > shows floppy.img to > be 1474560 bytes. But when I do a 'du -b' it shows > floppy.img to be > 1478656 bytes. Now the mbcd script uses the 'du -b' > method to verify > the size of the image, and requires it to be > 1474560 or 2949120 bytes. I don't know if this is it or not but does the CD have a different cluster size than the floppy? ===== David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From wescott_mike at emc.com Mon Jul 12 01:58:07 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:58:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using dd to get 1474560 bytes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:35:31 EDT." <20040710143531.558f89d5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <200407120158.i6C1w719008414@strange.us.dg.com> gentgeen at linuxmail.org said: > I made an image of a boot floppy using 'dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img' > and did not see any errors. when I do a 'ls -l' it shows floppy.img > to be 1474560 bytes. But when I do a 'du -b' it shows floppy.img to > be 1478656 bytes. Now the mbcd script uses the 'du -b' method to > verify the size of the image, and requires it to be 1474560 or > 2949120 bytes. > So what am I doing wrong? I tried adding bs=1474560 and bs=2x80x18b > to the 'dd' command, but no change. I have also tried it with 3 > different boot floppies. Looks to me like the mbcd script is using the wrong tool. The results of du -b will vary depending on the kind of filesystem on which the file resides. On a fat filesystem du reports a floppy image as 1474560 while on ext3 it's 1478656. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Mon Jul 12 03:10:53 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:10:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using dd to get 1474560 bytes In-Reply-To: <200407120158.i6C1w719008414@strange.us.dg.com> References: <20040710143531.558f89d5.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> <200407120158.i6C1w719008414@strange.us.dg.com> Message-ID: <20040711231053.786fa43f.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> That is one thing I was wondering, I am going to email the author and see what he/she says. On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:58:07 -0400 Michael Wescott wrote: > Looks to me like the mbcd script is using the wrong tool. The results > of du -b will vary depending on the kind of filesystem on which the > file resides. On a fat filesystem du reports a floppy image as 1474560 > while on ext3 it's 1478656. > > -- > Mike Wescott ****************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From lewis at pcc.com Mon Jul 12 12:00:10 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:00:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New LTSP kernel for testing, Was: Monitor Problems In-Reply-To: <1087341894.2265.174.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1087341894.2265.174.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <062C3440-D3FB-11D8-96EE-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Eric, Sorry I did not try this until Friday. We just set up four more servers as part of the project and it does appear to have solved the problem I was having. I did not want to install this into the production that I had just rolled out. Well not until most of the issues I had were resolved, and this was low on the list. I will make the change on the production machines on tuesday (Never good to introduce changes on a Monday) and I'll let you now if it causes any problems. Thanks Lewis On Jun 15, 2004, at 7:24 PM, Eric Harrison wrote > On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 15:09, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> Jim, >> >> rpm -qa | grep ltsp_kernel >> ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0 >> ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0 >> >> I have been updating on a regular basis. (I think I am current) I have >> been trying to solve this by passing the vga=0x??? option to the >> kernel >> also. I've tried several options but no luck yet. > > > Hmmm, I missed a ltsp kernel update. I just built new packages and > uploaded them into the test directory: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > > Be sure to update both the > ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-15.k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm and the > ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe-3.0-15.k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch.rpm packages. > > These packages should work for both K12LTSP 3.1.x and 4.0.x. > > Once more extensive testing has been done, I'll move these over to the > apt/yum repositories. > > -Eric > > >> On Jun 15, 2004, at 5:37 PM, jam at mcquil.com wrote: >> >>> Lewis, >>> >>> Which LTSP kernel are you running ? >>> >>> The kernels from packages before ltsp_kernel-3.0.15 (2.4.24-ltsp-4) >>> had >>> an experimental Trident frame buffer driver compiled in. The T-150 >>> has a Trident video chipset. >>> >>> The 2.4.24-ltsp-4 kernel (in the 3.0.15) ltsp_kernel package doesn't >>> include that trident framebuffer driver, and should work fine. >>> >>> you can get the latest kernel from the Ltsp.org download page. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>> >>>> Has anybody worked with the "Gateway FPD1530" flat panel monitor? >>>> >>>> I wanted to set up telnet on screen 2 but the screen draws for a >>>> split >>>> second then gone. It does this every 5-8 seconds. >>>> >>>> X looks beautiful. >>>> >>>> I'm using 4.0.1 and LTSP150 thin clients. These monitors have >>>> several >>>> modes and they auto-config (very annoying at times) 1024x768 is the >>>> preferred mode listed in the manual. (which provides little other >>>> information) >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> Lewis Holcroft >>>> System Administrator >>>> Physician's Computer Company >>>> 1 Main Street, Suite 7 >>>> Winooski, VT 05404 >>>> www.pcc.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 12 12:54:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:54:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Curious Question In-Reply-To: <40EED20C.4040302@esd165.org> References: <40EED20C.4040302@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1089636841.29904.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 12:12, Matthew Ross wrote: > Here's a question... > > My boss, as much as he loves our LTSP server so far, would love to have > a hot-swap backup server as well. Basically, he's wondering if there is > a way to have a fault-tollerant setup for an LTSP server. It can be done, but I've generally found 'warm' spares to be more practical. That is, you keep another box loaded but not active and leave instructions to activate it in case the primary fails. Activation might involve running a script that changes the IP address and starts DHCP. Server-class PC's don't fail often and the software to do automatic failover is as likely to cause trouble as to prevent it. > Since the /home directories will be on a diffrent server alltogether, > the user's information would still be there even if our LTSP server crashed. > > And I understand that the user's current sessions would fail in the > event of a LTSP server failure, but if they rebooted their thin clients, > is there a way to have a "backup server" jump in and take over? If you are running in a single-nic configuration, one approach would be to split the DHCP range and leave both boxes on line all the time. Then you would get some load-sharing between servers as the clients get assigned by whichever answers faster and if one fails completely, the other would continue to work and would pick up all the clients as they reboot. If both mount a common /home, the clients should not see any difference. You'd want to make at least an equal effort to make the home directory server robust - perhaps RAID drives either in an external case or hot-swap carriers with a spare server available to take over by moving the disks. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Tue Jul 13 01:29:49 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:29:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Mandrake 10 mini review on a laptop.. Message-ID: <200407122129.49252.aust_txv@access-k12.org> Hi, I just purchased the Mandrake Discover package and installed it on my Toshiba laptop this weekend. Here goes. Machine Type: A Toshiba Satellite A10-S167 (P4 2.2 256 30GIGHD) CDR/DVD Installation: I used PartitionMagic 7 to resize my NTFS XP partition. Easy. Boot up to Mandrake CD#1 Answer a few questions --> IMHO always install development stuff - you never know when you will have to compile. I did a laptop install with KDE and Gnome. Do a manual partiton setup of the open space on /dev/hda. Feed CD's. Configure X Check that the system sees your hardware. Reboot. LILO gives an easy menu which boots Mandrake, shell, safe mode, and windows. You know the drill, create a user bing bing bing. Hey cool feature . Auto login one user. I have my regular user account autologin to KDE. I have congfigured Kontact for my e-mail and Palm. Easy. Kontact is using my school IMAP account and my home POP3 account. Easy. The performance is fine. This Mandrake 10 boots faster than the XP install on the same machine. Mandrake 10 comes with OO 1.1 so an update is in order but I have not done that yet. Another neat thing - Konsole terminal program can use vt420 keyboard emulation. Yes some of us still use DEC stuff or is it Compaq no no its HP :) So if you are looking to make the switch from XP to linux, Mandrake is not a bad choice in terms of installation, hardware detection and performance. The packaged bells and whistles are fine. Note on sound hardware: The program "Audacity" had a bug when I had "Sound System Notifications" turned "on." My Finding Nemo DVD did NOT PLAY. GIMP is sweet. If a wine install goes well I might test this out in our treasurer's office on 6 workstations. I just noticed that my "As-you-type spell checking disabled" prompt at the bottom of this window....rats please forgive the type-o's. Wow this is fun. Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jul 12 14:19:02 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:19:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question Message-ID: <40F29DD6.4040801@inlandlakes.org> I know, this isn't a samba list -- but you folks are "in the trenches" with me... Feel free to reply off-list so as not to pollute the email boxes of all those folks that don't care about samba... I have a windows app that uses a fox-pro database. I need to have a group of users be able to read/write/change/delete the files on a samba share. For some reason, no matter how I set up the samba share, I seem to get "access denied" while performing certain actions. (Especially reindexing, upgrading tables, and writing over top of existing files) Could someone point me to a "how to get foxpro programs to like samba" type tutorial, or a sample smb.conf file that will help me? Right now, I had to copy the database folder to a workstation, and use windows filesharing to share the data to everyone else. TERRIBLE solution, but it works for now. I refuse to believe that windows filesharing can do what samba can not. :) There are many file-locking options, like "op-locks" "fake op-locks" etc, that I just don't understand. I know on the linux side, the files are created properly, and the users *should* have permission to change/delete/etc -- but somehow my smb.conf file doesn't let it work. I'd paste the appropriate part of my smb.conf file here -- but it's changed so many times, that I'd almost rather a fresh outlook on how to set up the share. None of the file-locking options I've tried work. :) Thanks a bunch, and sorry again for posting a non LTSP question... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ckacoroski at nsd.org Mon Jul 12 17:13:26 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:13:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Mandrake 10 mini review on a laptop.. In-Reply-To: <200407122129.49252.aust_txv@access-k12.org> References: <200407122129.49252.aust_txv@access-k12.org> Message-ID: <40F2C6B6.4010404@nsd.org> Tom, One note from a long Mandrake user, do not use Kontact with the Palm. There are some severe bugs that will wipe out the Palm databases (happened twice to me before I figured out what was going on). A good replacement that is rock solid is jpilot. cheers, ski Tom Ventresco wrote: > Hi, > I just purchased the Mandrake Discover package and installed it on my Toshiba > laptop this weekend. Here goes. > > Machine Type: A Toshiba Satellite A10-S167 (P4 2.2 256 30GIGHD) CDR/DVD > > Installation: > I used PartitionMagic 7 to resize my NTFS XP partition. Easy. > Boot up to Mandrake CD#1 > Answer a few questions --> IMHO always install development stuff - you never > know when you will have to compile. I did a laptop install with KDE and > Gnome. > Do a manual partiton setup of the open space on /dev/hda. > Feed CD's. > Configure X > Check that the system sees your hardware. > Reboot. > LILO gives an easy menu which boots Mandrake, shell, safe mode, and windows. > > You know the drill, create a user bing bing bing. Hey cool feature . Auto > login one user. I have my regular user account autologin to KDE. > > I have congfigured Kontact for my e-mail and Palm. Easy. Kontact is using my > school IMAP account and my home POP3 account. Easy. > > The performance is fine. This Mandrake 10 boots faster than the XP install on > the same machine. > > Mandrake 10 comes with OO 1.1 so an update is in order but I have not done > that yet. > > Another neat thing - Konsole terminal program can use vt420 keyboard > emulation. Yes some of us still use DEC stuff or is it Compaq no no its > HP :) > > So if you are looking to make the switch from XP to linux, Mandrake is not a > bad choice in terms of installation, hardware detection and performance. The > packaged bells and whistles are fine. Note on sound hardware: The program > "Audacity" had a bug when I had "Sound System Notifications" turned "on." > My Finding Nemo DVD did NOT PLAY. GIMP is sweet. If a wine install goes well > I might test this out in our treasurer's office on 6 workstations. > > I just noticed that my "As-you-type spell checking disabled" prompt at the > bottom of this window....rats please forgive the type-o's. > > Wow this is fun. > > Tom Ventresco > Austintown Local Schools > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jul 12 17:50:52 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:50:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP in a Windows Environment Message-ID: <40F2CF7C.8040800@honeygroveisd.net> > Hello all, > I've got a well-established Windows NT domain running here, and I'm > trying to add some Linux terminals to the mix. I know very little > about Linux in general and even less about Terminal Services > specifically. > Is there some way to synchronize the Linux server with my NT Primary > Domain Controller so that my users can log on to the terminals with > their existing NT user names and passwords? Ok. I've gotten several responses to this question and have done a good bit of Web research on the subject, including going through old posts to this list, but I'm still not getting anywhere. The problem is that everything I'm reading assumes I know more than I do about Linux administration. Can anyone point me to a step-by-step, milquetoast guide to authenticating my thin clients via my Windows Domain Controllers? Thanks. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Alexander the Great was an epileptic. From bbenson at pps.k12.or.us Mon Jul 12 17:53:59 2004 From: bbenson at pps.k12.or.us (Brian Benson) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question In-Reply-To: <40F29DD6.4040801@inlandlakes.org> References: <40F29DD6.4040801@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <3619.24.20.143.239.1089654839.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Sorry in advance if this isnt much help... Can users delete files that other users create? If not it sounds like a umask or a group file ownership problem. what does `ls -l` look like after creating a file with a user? I would check the unix group then use samba to "map" that unix group to a windows group with the samba `net` command. (I have only used samba group mapping in a samba domain environment) Good luck. > I know, this isn't a samba list -- but you folks are "in the trenches" > with me... Feel free to reply off-list so as not to pollute the email > boxes of all those folks that don't care about samba... > > I have a windows app that uses a fox-pro database. I need to have a > group of users be able to read/write/change/delete the files on a samba > share. For some reason, no matter how I set up the samba share, I > seem to get "access denied" while performing certain actions. > (Especially reindexing, upgrading tables, and writing over top of > existing files) > > Could someone point me to a "how to get foxpro programs to like samba" > type tutorial, or a sample smb.conf file that will help me? Right now, > I had to copy the database folder to a workstation, and use windows > filesharing to share the data to everyone else. TERRIBLE solution, but > it works for now. I refuse to believe that windows filesharing can do > what samba can not. :) > > There are many file-locking options, like "op-locks" "fake op-locks" > etc, that I just don't understand. I know on the linux side, the files > are created properly, and the users *should* have permission to > change/delete/etc -- but somehow my smb.conf file doesn't let it work. > > I'd paste the appropriate part of my smb.conf file here -- but it's > changed so many times, that I'd almost rather a fresh outlook on how to > set up the share. None of the file-locking options I've tried work. > :) > > Thanks a bunch, and sorry again for posting a non LTSP question... > > -Shawn > > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Mon Jul 12 19:22:08 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Mandrake 10 mini review on a laptop.. In-Reply-To: <40F2C6B6.4010404@nsd.org> Message-ID: Thanks. You just saved me a load of work and worry. I have not used Mandrake for a few years but I am happy to be back. Jpilot it is. ************************************** Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools ************************************** There are three kinds of people in the world, those who can count and those who can't. LJ April 2000 On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > Tom, > > One note from a long Mandrake user, do not use Kontact with the Palm. > There are some severe bugs that will wipe out the Palm databases > (happened twice to me before I figured out what was going on). A good > replacement that is rock solid is jpilot. > > cheers, > > ski > > Tom Ventresco wrote: > > > Hi, > > I just purchased the Mandrake Discover package and installed it on my Toshiba > > laptop this weekend. Here goes. > > > > Machine Type: A Toshiba Satellite A10-S167 (P4 2.2 256 30GIGHD) CDR/DVD > > > > Installation: > > I used PartitionMagic 7 to resize my NTFS XP partition. Easy. > > Boot up to Mandrake CD#1 > > Answer a few questions --> IMHO always install development stuff - you never > > know when you will have to compile. I did a laptop install with KDE and > > Gnome. > > Do a manual partiton setup of the open space on /dev/hda. > > Feed CD's. > > Configure X > > Check that the system sees your hardware. > > Reboot. > > LILO gives an easy menu which boots Mandrake, shell, safe mode, and windows. > > > > You know the drill, create a user bing bing bing. Hey cool feature . Auto > > login one user. I have my regular user account autologin to KDE. > > > > I have congfigured Kontact for my e-mail and Palm. Easy. Kontact is using my > > school IMAP account and my home POP3 account. Easy. > > > > The performance is fine. This Mandrake 10 boots faster than the XP install on > > the same machine. > > > > Mandrake 10 comes with OO 1.1 so an update is in order but I have not done > > that yet. > > > > Another neat thing - Konsole terminal program can use vt420 keyboard > > emulation. Yes some of us still use DEC stuff or is it Compaq no no its > > HP :) > > > > So if you are looking to make the switch from XP to linux, Mandrake is not a > > bad choice in terms of installation, hardware detection and performance. The > > packaged bells and whistles are fine. Note on sound hardware: The program > > "Audacity" had a bug when I had "Sound System Notifications" turned "on." > > My Finding Nemo DVD did NOT PLAY. GIMP is sweet. If a wine install goes well > > I might test this out in our treasurer's office on 6 workstations. > > > > I just noticed that my "As-you-type spell checking disabled" prompt at the > > bottom of this window....rats please forgive the type-o's. > > > > Wow this is fun. > > > > Tom Ventresco > > Austintown Local Schools > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it > connected to the entire universe" John Muir > > Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jul 12 23:33:19 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:33:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question In-Reply-To: <3619.24.20.143.239.1089654839.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> References: <40F29DD6.4040801@inlandlakes.org> <3619.24.20.143.239.1089654839.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40F31FBF.5020403@cmosnetworks.com> If I understand you correctly, there is indeed a way to do this. I do something kinda similar with a "public" share for a friend of mine, whom I have using K12LTSP in his business. In this Samba share (using Samba 3.0.x, BTW), all users have rwx permission on the share, but "world" has nada. So, I set the entire directory to be 770, uid root, gid users. All my users are in the group "users". Now, to tweak Samba. In your smb.conf file, you do this under the share: [public] comment = Public Share path = /home/public browseable = yes writable = yes force create mode = 0660 force directory mode = 0770 public = no All lines except for "comment" are needed, in "real world" terms, but the two magic lines are "force create mode" and "force directory mode". OK, maybe the "public = no" setting isn't strictly needed, but it's a really good idea. What the two magic lines do is, every time a file is created, Samba forces the permissions to be 660. Same for directories with permission 770 that someone might create. Hope this helps, --TP Brian Benson wrote: >Sorry in advance if this isnt much >help... Can users delete files that >other users create? If not it sounds >like a umask or a group file ownership >problem. what does `ls -l` look like >after creating a file with a user? I >would check the unix group then use >samba to "map" that unix group to a >windows group with the samba `net` >command. (I have only used samba group >mapping in a samba domain environment) > >Good luck. > > > >>I know, this isn't a samba list -- >> >> >but you folks are "in the trenches" > > >>with me... Feel free to reply >> >> >off-list so as not to pollute the email > > >>boxes of all those folks that don't >> >> >care about samba... > > >>I have a windows app that uses a >> >> >fox-pro database. I need to have a > > >>group of users be able to >> >> >read/write/change/delete the files on >a samba > > >> share. For some reason, no matter >> >> >how I set up the samba share, I > > >>seem to get "access denied" while >> >> >performing certain actions. > > >>(Especially reindexing, upgrading >> >> >tables, and writing over top of > > >>existing files) >> >>Could someone point me to a "how to >> >> >get foxpro programs to like samba" > > >>type tutorial, or a sample smb.conf >> >> >file that will help me? Right now, > > >> I had to copy the database folder >> >> >to a workstation, and use windows > > >>filesharing to share the data to >> >> >everyone else. TERRIBLE solution, but > > >> it works for now. I refuse to >> >> >believe that windows filesharing can do > > >> what samba can not. :) >> >>There are many file-locking options, >> >> >like "op-locks" "fake op-locks" > > >>etc, that I just don't understand. >> >> >I know on the linux side, the files > > >> are created properly, and the users >> >> >*should* have permission to > > >>change/delete/etc -- but somehow my >> >> >smb.conf file doesn't let it work. > > >>I'd paste the appropriate part of my >> >> >smb.conf file here -- but it's > > >>changed so many times, that I'd >> >> >almost rather a fresh outlook on how to > > >> set up the share. None of the >> >> >file-locking options I've tried work. > > >>:) >> >>Thanks a bunch, and sorry again for >> >> >posting a non LTSP question... > > >>-Shawn >> >> >> >>-- >>Shawn Powers >>Technology Director >>Inland Lakes Schools >>PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 >>FAX: 509-356-7024 >>spowers at inlandlakes.org >>http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org >> >>--> >> >frustrating reasons>-- > > >>The views, opinions, visions, >> >> >thoughts, comments, > > >>sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic >> >> >outbursts, > > >>cynical wit, future plans, >> >> >implementation ideas, > > >>OS preference, curricular insight, >> >> >ice cream preference, > > >>or anything else I might infer are >> >> >not the > > >>views of Inland Lakes Schools. >> >> >Pretty much everything > > >>I say, do, think, or imply with >> >> >punctuation should be > > >>considered my own delusions, and >> >> >ignored completely. > > >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Tue Jul 13 00:18:30 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:18:30 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP in a Windows Environment References: <40F2CF7C.8040800@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <002301c4686e$ed5c58c0$42c6dbcb@detg8i4yizs6re> www.wlug.org.nz/samba ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Cockrell" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LSTP in a Windows Environment > > Hello all, > > I've got a well-established Windows NT domain running here, and I'm > > trying to add some Linux terminals to the mix. I know very little > > about Linux in general and even less about Terminal Services > > specifically. > > > > > Is there some way to synchronize the Linux server with my NT Primary > > Domain Controller so that my users can log on to the terminals with > > their existing NT user names and passwords? > > > Ok. I've gotten several responses to this question and have done a good > bit of Web research on the subject, including going through old posts to > this list, but I'm still not getting anywhere. The problem is that > everything I'm reading assumes I know more than I do about Linux > administration. Can anyone point me to a step-by-step, milquetoast > guide to authenticating my thin clients via my Windows Domain > Controllers? Thanks. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Alexander the Great was an epileptic. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Jul 13 00:35:06 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:35:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC change in 4.01??? In-Reply-To: <40F2CF7C.8040800@honeygroveisd.net> References: <40F2CF7C.8040800@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: actually two questions. 1) are there iso for K12 LTSP 4.02 posted somewhere? 2) my VNC viewer is no longer working. Did something change with 4.0.1. I haven't made any changes to network and suddenly I can't connect to the server. Using XP or Win2000 same response, can't connect to server. It pings fine. any ideas, thanks Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 13 01:14:39 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:14:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Script Help Needed!! Message-ID: <1336.165.29.94.209.1089681279.squirrel@165.29.94.209> Guys we're trying to move directories from samba over to a netware server. This isn't the problem thanks to rsync. Each home directory on samba has a sub folder named smbhome which actually houses the data (/home/username/smbhome). We need to get the contents of smbhome moved to the root of the home directory. I think Barry wrote me a script to do something like this a while back....any ideas? -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 13 01:16:33 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:16:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Script Help Needed!!---further clarification In-Reply-To: <1336.165.29.94.209.1089681279.squirrel@165.29.94.209> References: <1336.165.29.94.209.1089681279.squirrel@165.29.94.209> Message-ID: <1348.165.29.94.209.1089681393.squirrel@165.29.94.209> I mean we need to get /home/username/smbhome contents moved to the root of the users home directory...not /home in general -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jul 13 02:30:54 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:30:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script....or cat help Samba/LDAP Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to ge things a little smoother so that I can easily duplicate my Samba/LDAP set up for others. One thing I've done is copied my config files to an FTP share so that I can copy them down to the new server. The only problem is that the permissions get shot so I actually have to open them.....copy the contents of the file and paste the contents into (overwriting) the existing file on the new server. What I'd like to be able to do is something like ...take whatever text is in file "A" and copy it over to file "B" and in the process overwrite anything that is currently in file "B". This way I could possibly "batch" or "shell script" a whole bunch of files to go where they need to with all the changes made ahead of time. Can this be done? If so....how? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 13 02:26:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] big FC2/K12LTSP 4.1alpha changes Message-ID: Jim & crew over at LTSP.org are gearing up for a LTSP 4.1 beta release. I spent the weekend syncing up and have (mostly) working packages. I also updated gcompris, which is likely to cause some grief as well. These packages have been added to the apt/up2date/yum repository, so watch out ;-) I also fixed a bug in the installer (it would crash if you tried to upgrade a server that did not have the ltsp packages installed) that needs to be tested before I upload the full ISOs. The LTSP packages were pulled from CVS yesterday morning. This is pre-beta software, but it has been known to boot terminals . I have changed the naming scheme of the packages, and may change it again. I added Obsoletes tags, so these *should* update ok. Let me know if you run into troubles. Here's the mapping of the old packages to the new packages: old new -------------------- --------------- ltsp_i386 ltsp_i386 ltsp_kernel_i386 ltsp_i386-kernel (contains both kernels) ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe lbe ltsp_i386-lbe The Gcompris packages need more work. They work fine for a fresh install, but are unlikely to upgrade properly. The problem is that this packages has been split up into a large number of parts, with each chunk being divided into language-specific packages. There are a *lot* of packages. Each "chunk", using the "assetml-voices-alphabet" parts as an example, has "de", "en", "es", "fr", "it", and "pt" translations. That means that there is a assetml-voices-alphabet-de package, a assetml-voices-alphabet-en packages, etc, etc. The main gcompris package, the one that dependancies are derived from, has a requirement for each chunk; "assetml-voices-alphabet" for example. But anyone of the translation packages of "assetml-voices-alphabet" can fullfill this dependancy, so you will end up upgrading to a package that has a random language. In a test upgrade, I ended up with assetml-voices-alphabet-de, assetml-voices-colors-es, assetml-voices-geography-pt, etc. Not exactly ideal ;-) The current quick-fix for the gcompris upgrade woes is to manually install the packages for your language of choice. Pop open a shell and run: rpm -qa | grep ^assetml and for the ones that have the wrong language, run: up2date -i assetml-voices-alphabet-en up2date -i assetml-voices-misc-en etc, etc. If you do a fresh install or update off the (soon-to-come) ISOs, all of the gcompris "assetml-*" packages will be installed. This dependancy issue is only a problem if you upgrade via apt/up2date/yum. I'll fix this particular pain-in-the-butt ASAP. -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 13 02:46:32 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:46:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Help Needed!!---further clarification In-Reply-To: <1348.165.29.94.209.1089681393.squirrel@165.29.94.209> References: <1336.165.29.94.209.1089681279.squirrel@165.29.94.209> <1348.165.29.94.209.1089681393.squirrel@165.29.94.209> Message-ID: <40F34D08.5020803@cmosnetworks.com> Caleb Wagnon wrote: >I mean we need to get /home/username/smbhome contents moved to the root of the >users home directory...not /home in general > > How about something like this: #!/bin/bash # This script assumes, in true ugly hack fashion, that only actual users # will actually have directories under /home. However, if there's, say, # a /home/ftp that doesn't have a smbhome/ subdir in it, it'll just throw # up an error message and keep going to the next one (say, /home/greg). for user in `ls -C1 /home` do mv /home/$user/smbhome/* /home/$user/ done From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 13 02:53:26 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:53:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] script....or cat help Samba/LDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089687205.31366.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 21:30, David Trask wrote: > What I'd like to be > able to do is something like ...take whatever text is in file "A" and copy > it over to file "B" and in the process overwrite anything that is > currently in file "B". cat A >B will put the contents of A into B, keeping B's ownership and permissions if it already exists. > This way I could possibly "batch" or "shell > script" a whole bunch of files to go where they need to with all the > changes made ahead of time. Can this be done? If so....how? If you want to copy a bunch of files at once, keeping ownership etc., you can make a tar or cpio archive from the source and restore it at the destination. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Jul 13 03:11:14 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:11:14 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Question In-Reply-To: <40F29DD6.4040801@inlandlakes.org> References: <40F29DD6.4040801@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1089688235.1263.30.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Shawn, I've run ion to a similar problem with MS access 2K on XP Pro workstations. The DB can be updated alright if the machine connects to the Samba Workgroup, but not if logging in to the SAMBA DOMAIN. I've just read Terrell's post and may try his suggestion. Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 02:19, Shawn Powers wrote: > I know, this isn't a samba list -- but you folks are "in the trenches" > with me... Feel free to reply off-list so as not to pollute the email > boxes of all those folks that don't care about samba... > > I have a windows app that uses a fox-pro database. I need to have a > group of users be able to read/write/change/delete the files on a samba > share. For some reason, no matter how I set up the samba share, I seem > to get "access denied" while performing certain actions. (Especially > reindexing, upgrading tables, and writing over top of existing files) > > Could someone point me to a "how to get foxpro programs to like samba" > type tutorial, or a sample smb.conf file that will help me? Right now, > I had to copy the database folder to a workstation, and use windows > filesharing to share the data to everyone else. TERRIBLE solution, but > it works for now. I refuse to believe that windows filesharing can do > what samba can not. :) > > There are many file-locking options, like "op-locks" "fake op-locks" > etc, that I just don't understand. I know on the linux side, the files > are created properly, and the users *should* have permission to > change/delete/etc -- but somehow my smb.conf file doesn't let it work. > > I'd paste the appropriate part of my smb.conf file here -- but it's > changed so many times, that I'd almost rather a fresh outlook on how to > set up the share. None of the file-locking options I've tried work. :) > > Thanks a bunch, and sorry again for posting a non LTSP question... > > -Shawn -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 13 07:36:30 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] big FC2/K12LTSP 4.1alpha changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: >I also updated gcompris, which is likely to cause some grief as well. I think I have the gcompris upgrade problem figured out, I just brute- force "Requires:" all of the language packages. Not exaclty elegant, but it gets the job done ;-) >I also fixed a bug in the installer (it would crash if you tried >to upgrade a server that did not have the ltsp packages installed) >that needs to be tested before I upload the full ISOs. I'll try to test the ISOs tomorrow (today) in the afternoon/evening and get those uploaded... -Eric From mross at esd165.org Tue Jul 13 07:44:12 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:44:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] big FC2/K12LTSP 4.1alpha changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F392CC.2020806@esd165.org> Thank you Eric, for all your hard work. --Matt Eric Harrison wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>I also updated gcompris, which is likely to cause some grief as well. >> >> > >I think I have the gcompris upgrade problem figured out, I just brute- >force "Requires:" all of the language packages. Not exaclty elegant, >but it gets the job done ;-) > > > >>I also fixed a bug in the installer (it would crash if you tried >>to upgrade a server that did not have the ltsp packages installed) >>that needs to be tested before I upload the full ISOs. >> >> > >I'll try to test the ISOs tomorrow (today) in the afternoon/evening >and get those uploaded... > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Jul 13 08:08:42 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:08:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & NNLS Logins.... Message-ID: <00e601c468b0$9cc203f0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... we are very shortly (and I mean in the next 2-3 weeks) going to be moving our entire backend over from Novell Netware to RedHat AS 2.1 & Novell's new NNLS (http://www.novell.com/products/linuxservices/) We currently have 2 'BIG' K12LTSP Servers and I would like to get them to authenticate against the new NNLS boxes... has anyone looked @ doing this yet that could give me some pointers or point me in the right direction... I have looked @ the K12 Wiki @ the Interoperability section about Novell But it only covers the Netware OS... The new NNLS systems use a modified version of OpenLDAP, I think this should make it easier to get working, But I just don't know how/where to start... Any help would be great..... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Jul 13 11:36:24 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 7:36:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients Message-ID: <20040713113624.ORUU13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Hi Everyone! Well, I purchased a switch, and a couple of network cards for my server, and I'm up and running. I have 3 clients booting perfectly with internet access. Now, I have to figure out how to boot these other 10 computers. My stupid question: If the bios of a pc does not have the option to boot to network, will buying a network card from disklessworkstations.com that is setup for booting solve my problem. I'm having trouble understanding the boot process - making boot floppies - ect. I'm willing to spend the 29$ for these network cards if it means I don't have to make boot floppies. My understanding of this process is that a network card that has the boot rom programmed into it will fix this. Am I on the right track? Thanks! From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Jul 13 11:57:41 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:57:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script....or cat help Samba/LDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm trying to ge things a little smoother so that I can easily duplicate >my Samba/LDAP set up for others. One thing I've done is copied my config >files to an FTP share so that I can copy them down to the new server. The >only problem is that the permissions get shot so I actually have to open >them.....copy the contents of the file and paste the contents into >(overwriting) the existing file on the new server. What I'd like to be >able to do is something like ...take whatever text is in file "A" and copy >it over to file "B" and in the process overwrite anything that is >currently in file "B". This way I could possibly "batch" or "shell >script" a whole bunch of files to go where they need to with all the >changes made ahead of time. Can this be done? If so....how? > > Tar is your friend. Instead of copying individual files to the ftp server, try this *as root*: tar cvzf samba_magic.tgz /etc/samba /etc/openldap/slapd.conf ... #just list full path for files or directories you want backed up separated by spaces Then ftp /samba_magic.tgz to your ftp server, and ftp it back onto your new server. To restore files on new server *as root*: cd / tar xvzf samba_magic.tgz All done. Better yet just create a file with all the full pathnames of directories and files you want to back up and tell tar to use that list. If the file containing files and directories one per line is named samba_ingredients tar cvzf samba_magic.tgz -T samba_ingredients Then you only need to preserve your file/dir list on the ftp server, and use the couple of tar commands to do all the hard work. If you just want to accomplish the file overwriting try something like this: cat A > B Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From pauldavison at psps.com Tue Jul 13 12:32:09 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:32:09 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] script....or cat help Samba/LDAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F3D649.8000406@psps.com> David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm trying to ge things a little smoother so that I can easily duplicate >my Samba/LDAP set up for others. One thing I've done is copied my config >files to an FTP share so that I can copy them down to the new server. The >only problem is that the permissions get shot so I actually have to open >them.....copy the contents of the file and paste the contents into >(overwriting) the existing file on the new server. What I'd like to be >able to do is something like ...take whatever text is in file "A" and copy >it over to file "B" and in the process overwrite anything that is >currently in file "B". This way I could possibly "batch" or "shell >script" a whole bunch of files to go where they need to with all the >changes made ahead of time. Can this be done? If so....how? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi David, Tar or rsync would allow you to preserve the permissions on those files, but if you just want to overwrite files one for one you can use cat with a redirect to replace the contents of 'newfile' with 'originalfile' do: cat originalfile > newfile to append the contents of 'originalfile' onto the end of 'newfile' do: cat originalfile >> newfile Thats about the easiest way I can think of Paul From haysja at sages.us Tue Jul 13 13:08:18 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:08:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients In-Reply-To: <20040713113624.ORUU13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040713113624.ORUU13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1089724098.40f3dec2805e8@sages.us> The new NIC SHOULD take care of the problem. I would get them booting with a boot floppy first to make sure that the computers will indeed work - they should. Go to www.rom-o-matic.com and make a boot floppy for the NIC that is in the boxes. Get them booting to the floppies and then decide if you want to buy the new NICs. Quoting Will Hatch : > Hi Everyone! > > Well, I purchased a switch, and a couple of network cards for my server, and > I'm up and running. I have 3 clients booting perfectly with internet access. > Now, I have to figure out how to boot these other 10 computers. My stupid > question: If the bios of a pc does not have the option to boot to network, > will buying a network card from disklessworkstations.com that is setup for > booting solve my problem. I'm having trouble understanding the boot process > - making boot floppies - ect. I'm willing to spend the 29$ for these network > cards if it means I don't have to make boot floppies. My understanding of > this process is that a network card that has the boot rom programmed into it > will fix this. Am I on the right track? Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jul 13 14:05:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:05:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script....or cat help Samba/LDAP In-Reply-To: <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> References: <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >tar cvzf samba_magic.tgz -T samba_ingredients What should the format of the ingredients file be? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Jul 13 14:10:27 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:10:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script....or cat help Samba/LDAP In-Reply-To: References: <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> Message-ID: <40F3ED53.7040301@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: > > >>tar cvzf samba_magic.tgz -T samba_ingredients >> >> > >What should the format of the ingredients file be? > > > Something like: /etc/samba /etc/openldap/slapd.conf Just one file or directory per line, in Linux, not DOS file format. Note that tar will include directory references recursively, so everything in a directory you list and any subdirectories... will be included in the tgz file. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Jul 13 14:09:04 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:09:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Docs opening in AbiWord In-Reply-To: References: <, > <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> <,> Message-ID: Looking for some assistance on changing a default. We are running LTSP 4.0.1 and when you click to open an Open Office .doc file, it opens in AbiWord. Any way to change that. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jul 13 14:19:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:19:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script....or cat help Samba/LDAP In-Reply-To: <40F3ED53.7040301@gwi.net> References: < > <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> < > <40F3ED53.7040301@gwi.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Something like: >/etc/samba >/etc/openldap/slapd.conf > >Just one file or directory per line, in Linux, not DOS file format. Note >that tar will include directory references recursively, so everything in >a directory you list and any subdirectories... will be included in the >tgz file. Thanks! Off to school to try it! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 13 14:21:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:21:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients In-Reply-To: <1089724098.40f3dec2805e8@sages.us> References: <20040713113624.ORUU13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <1089724098.40f3dec2805e8@sages.us> Message-ID: <1089728497.6997.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 08:08, Jim Hays wrote: > The new NIC SHOULD take care of the problem. I would get them booting with a > boot floppy first to make sure that the computers will indeed work - they > should. Go to www.rom-o-matic.com and make a boot floppy for the NIC that is in > the boxes. Get them booting to the floppies and then decide if you want to buy > the new NICs. Or follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link for the thinstation project: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html. It has 30+ drivers and should boot about anything. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ehrhart at ycoe.org Tue Jul 13 15:57:06 2004 From: ehrhart at ycoe.org (Ehrhart, Jay) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:57:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits Message-ID: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF3F36AC0@merlin.ycoe.org> Does anyone know of an open source product that can filter web traffic for HTML exploits, hi-jackings and other web page viruses and maybe even some spyware? I already use squid for content filtering I am looking for something that will clean or block HTML exploits. Thanks, Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From nbs at sonic.net Tue Jul 13 18:38:16 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:38:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits In-Reply-To: References: <200407131127808.SM03868@GYRO> Message-ID: <20040713183816.GC2887@sonic.net> On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:37:00PM -0400, Access Systems wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, William J McCloskey wrote: > > > I'm also interested in this, There were 4 new exploits discovered today in > > IE and I cant really get people away from IE as we use some Microsoft web > > apps that require it. Simple. Stop using them. Too harsh? Well, it's that, or live with the security problems IE keeps cropping up with. Kind of a crappy toss-up. I'm glad that I realized IE was a pile of crap back in 1996 when I was first doing web development. Not even counting the security insanity, I look at it today (running WinXP for work; hadn't used Windows since circa 1998 on a friend's PC), I haven't really seen any major leaps in stability, usability, or sanity. Thank HEAVENS for the likes of Linux and Mozilla. I can't afford a Mac. :^P -bill! From linuxsys at davisny.edu Tue Jul 13 18:40:49 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:40:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits In-Reply-To: <200407131127808.SM03868@GYRO> References: <200407131127808.SM03868@GYRO> Message-ID: <1089744049.16822.4.camel@localhost> Speaking of those new IE exploits. Good news everyone! My boss (the guy who's basically in charge of every computer that the college owns) has decided that all computers are now going to have Firefox installed on them and that faculty and staff will be expected to migrate from IE. How cool is that! -Calvin On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 14:29, William J McCloskey wrote: > I?m also interested in this, There were 4 new exploits discovered > today in IE and I cant really get people away from IE as we use some > Microsoft web apps that require it. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > From:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Ehrhart, Jay > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:57 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits > > > > > Does anyone know of an open source product that can filter web traffic > for HTML exploits, hi-jackings and other web page viruses and maybe > even some spyware? I already use squid for content filtering I am > looking for something that will clean or block HTML exploits. > > > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Jul 13 18:57:49 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:57:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Docs opening in AbiWord In-Reply-To: References: <, > <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> <, > Message-ID: <40F430AD.5030700@snet.net> Shane Stafford wrote: > Looking for some assistance on changing a default. We are running LTSP > 4.0.1 and when you click to open an Open Office .doc file, it opens in > AbiWord. Any way to change that. .doc is a M$ file format. Openofficd default is .sxw, which would only open in OO.o It seems you have set OO.o to save to .doc, but you have abi set as the default app to open the same. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Jul 13 19:19:19 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:19:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Docs opening in AbiWord In-Reply-To: <40F430AD.5030700@snet.net> References: <, > < > <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> <, > < > < > <40F430AD.5030700@snet.net> Message-ID: > > > >.doc is a M$ file format. Openofficd default is .sxw, which would only >open in OO.o >It seems you have set OO.o to save to .doc, but you have abi set as the >default app to open the same. > thanks, we knew .doc was Microsoft, but at this point we do encourage Open Office users to save in .doc format to allow them to better interact with outside (and some insider users) that still use Word. What surprised us was that when you click on a document in LTSP 3.X it opened in OOffice, now it opens in AbiWord. I'm assuming that AbiWord didn't exist in 3.X. I was wondering how abi got set as the default app. In other words, why when clicking on a .doc file created by Open Office, open in Abi and not Open Office. Don't see our folks using much Abi, so I just un-installed it. thanks Shane > > >-- >Anthony Baldwin >http://www.School-Library.net >Freedom to Learn! > >-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ >PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? >------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From ehrhart at ycoe.org Tue Jul 13 19:23:23 2004 From: ehrhart at ycoe.org (Ehrhart, Jay) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:23:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits Message-ID: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF36CDF86@merlin.ycoe.org> Leaving Microsoft Internet Explorer may solve some of the exploits but what about the rest? Also I have 12,000 desktops behind my firewall at school districts that I don't have control over and need to protect. I am looking for a solution for desk tops that I can control and those that I cannot. Is there an open source solution that product that can filter web traffic for HTML exploits, hi-jackings and other web page viruses and maybe even some spyware? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Bill Kendrick [mailto:nbs at sonic.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:38 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HTML exploits On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:37:00PM -0400, Access Systems wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, William J McCloskey wrote: > > > I'm also interested in this, There were 4 new exploits discovered today in > > IE and I cant really get people away from IE as we use some Microsoft web > > apps that require it. Simple. Stop using them. Too harsh? Well, it's that, or live with the security problems IE keeps cropping up with. Kind of a crappy toss-up. I'm glad that I realized IE was a pile of crap back in 1996 when I was first doing web development. Not even counting the security insanity, I look at it today (running WinXP for work; hadn't used Windows since circa 1998 on a friend's PC), I haven't really seen any major leaps in stability, usability, or sanity. Thank HEAVENS for the likes of Linux and Mozilla. I can't afford a Mac. :^P -bill! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 13 19:25:30 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] A non-X10 solution In-Reply-To: <20040622073853.77144.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040713192530.62503.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you to all the people who replied. I didn't know there were so many solutions out there. Once again, thanks. Chris --- Chris Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > Recently, I was looking for a web hosting company. > At > one company, they had a "virtual tour" of their data > center. An interesting item that they had was a > power > strip that contained a nic in it that allowed > someone > to remotely cold boot a computer, router, whatever. > They could tur off and on the power to any plug > remotely. I am looking for a similar item so I can > reset my dsl modem at work. I know that X10 has a > similar product that is able to control lites, > power, > and stuff but I am not a big fan of their products. > Does anyone know of such a product? > > Chris > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jul 13 19:32:29 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:32:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Docs opening in AbiWord In-Reply-To: <40F430AD.5030700@snet.net> References: <40F3CE35.6040201@gwi.net> <40F430AD.5030700@snet.net> Message-ID: <40F438CD.2060208@cfl.rr.com> LTSP 4.0.1 defaults to Abiword for Microsoft Word documents (i.e. anything with .doc extension). You can change it by going to the menu, than "preferences", than "file types and programs". It is granular on a per user basis, so each user will need to change it over as they prefer. My personal opinion is that Abiword is MUCH faster and does everything I need, besides actually playing nicer with MS Word documents. I'm an Abiword/Gnumeric enthusiast for that very reason of better compatibility. Open Office is a pig, eats up alot of memory, is slower, and doesn't have the compatibility that the defaults have, perhaps the reason Redhat chose it as default. Your choice though. Cheers, Brian anthony baldwin wrote: > Shane Stafford wrote: > >> Looking for some assistance on changing a default. We are running LTSP >> 4.0.1 and when you click to open an Open Office .doc file, it opens in >> AbiWord. Any way to change that. > > > > .doc is a M$ file format. Openofficd default is .sxw, which would > only open in OO.o > It seems you have set OO.o to save to .doc, but you have abi set as > the default app to open the same. > > > From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Jul 13 19:55:34 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:55:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients Message-ID: <20040713195534.YIRD13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Thanks for the tip on the universal boot floppy. This is what I need, since I have an assortment of potential thin clients with different nic cards. My problem is I can't seem to make these boot floppys. I downloaded the file to my home, I open it up, I read the readme file... it says "under Linux: cp ebnet522.dsk /dev/fd0" so, when I type in my terminal window "cp ennet522.dsk /dev/fd0" it says "cp: cannot stat `ebnet522.dsk': No such file or directory" What am I doing wrong? > > From: Les Mikesell > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue AM 10:21:38 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients > > On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 08:08, Jim Hays wrote: > > The new NIC SHOULD take care of the problem. I would get them booting with a > > boot floppy first to make sure that the computers will indeed work - they > > should. Go to www.rom-o-matic.com and make a boot floppy for the NIC that is in > > the boxes. Get them booting to the floppies and then decide if you want to buy > > the new NICs. > > Or follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link for the thinstation > project: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html. > It has 30+ drivers and should boot about anything. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 13 20:23:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:23:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients In-Reply-To: <20040713195534.YIRD13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040713195534.YIRD13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1089750227.14896.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 14:55, Will Hatch wrote: > Thanks for the tip on the universal boot floppy. This is what I need, since I have an assortment of potential thin clients with different nic cards. My problem is I can't seem to make these boot floppys. I downloaded the file to my home, I open it up, I read the readme file... it says "under Linux: cp ebnet522.dsk /dev/fd0" > > so, when I type in my terminal window "cp ennet522.dsk /dev/fd0" it says "cp: cannot stat `ebnet522.dsk': No such file or directory" > > What am I doing wrong? Does an 'ls -l' in the terminal window show that the file is there and that you have access? Sounds like you either spelled it wrong or you aren't in the same directory. Did you actually unzip or extract the file or are you reading the Readme.txt through nautilus and it's integrated viewer? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 13 20:42:17 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:42:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients In-Reply-To: <20040713195534.YIRD13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: You must be sitting in the same directory where the ennet522.dsk file is before that will work, also, you must be able to read the file (permissions, here) and you must have write access to the floppy. I simply do this kind of stuff as root and then there are very few permission problems. DS On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Will Hatch wrote: > Thanks for the tip on the universal boot floppy. This is what I need, since I have an assortment of potential thin clients with different nic cards. My problem is I can't seem to make these boot floppys. I downloaded the file to my home, I open it up, I read the readme file... it says "under Linux: cp ebnet522.dsk /dev/fd0" > > so, when I type in my terminal window "cp ennet522.dsk /dev/fd0" it says "cp: cannot stat `ebnet522.dsk': No such file or directory" > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > From: Les Mikesell > > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue AM 10:21:38 EDT > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients > > > > On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 08:08, Jim Hays wrote: > > > The new NIC SHOULD take care of the problem. I would get them booting with a > > > boot floppy first to make sure that the computers will indeed work - they > > > should. Go to www.rom-o-matic.com and make a boot floppy for the NIC that is in > > > the boxes. Get them booting to the floppies and then decide if you want to buy > > > the new NICs. > > > > Or follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link for the thinstation > > project: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html. > > It has 30+ drivers and should boot about anything. > > > > --- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Jul 13 21:33:07 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:33:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients Message-ID: <20040713213307.EDG13363.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Thanks again all. I think I figured it out with rawrite on a windows 98 machine. for some reason, I have a xp machine or two that doesn't like rawrite. I'll try tomorrow! thanks again. -will > > From: Doug Simpson > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue PM 04:42:17 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: Re: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients > > You must be sitting in the same directory where the ennet522.dsk file is > before that will work, also, you must be able to read the file > (permissions, here) and you must have write access to the floppy. > > I simply do this kind of stuff as root and then there are very few > permission problems. > > DS > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Will Hatch wrote: > > > Thanks for the tip on the universal boot floppy. This is what I need, since I have an assortment of potential thin clients with different nic cards. My problem is I can't seem to make these boot floppys. I downloaded the file to my home, I open it up, I read the readme file... it says "under Linux: cp ebnet522.dsk /dev/fd0" > > > > so, when I type in my terminal window "cp ennet522.dsk /dev/fd0" it says "cp: cannot stat `ebnet522.dsk': No such file or directory" > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Les Mikesell > > > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue AM 10:21:38 EDT > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] newbie trouble booting thin clients > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 08:08, Jim Hays wrote: > > > > The new NIC SHOULD take care of the problem. I would get them booting with a > > > > boot floppy first to make sure that the computers will indeed work - they > > > > should. Go to www.rom-o-matic.com and make a boot floppy for the NIC that is in > > > > the boxes. Get them booting to the floppies and then decide if you want to buy > > > > the new NICs. > > > > > > Or follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link for the thinstation > > > project: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html. > > > It has 30+ drivers and should boot about anything. > > > > > > --- > > > Les Mikesell > > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jul 13 21:46:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:46:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits In-Reply-To: <20040713183816.GC2887@sonic.net> References: <200407131127808.SM03868@GYRO> <20040713183816.GC2887@sonic.net> Message-ID: <40F45833.802@cmosnetworks.com> Bill Kendrick wrote: >On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:37:00PM -0400, Access Systems wrote: > > >>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, William J McCloskey wrote: >> >> >> >>>I'm also interested in this, There were 4 new exploits discovered today in >>>IE and I cant really get people away from IE as we use some Microsoft web >>>apps that require it. >>> >>> > >Simple. Stop using them. > >Too harsh? Well, it's that, or live with the security problems IE keeps >cropping up with. > >Kind of a crappy toss-up. I'm glad that I realized IE was a pile of crap >back in 1996 when I was first doing web development. Not even counting the >security insanity, I look at it today (running WinXP for work; hadn't >used Windows since circa 1998 on a friend's PC), I haven't really seen any >major leaps in stability, usability, or sanity. > >Thank HEAVENS for the likes of Linux and Mozilla. I can't afford a Mac. :^P > >-bill! > > Seconded. I was working for MS back when OLE 2.0 was rebranded CraptiveX and Web-enabled. I, and several others, were thinking back then, "This is a major virus vector just begging to be exploited." It was at that point in time that I stopped using Internet Exploder on my NT/95 boxes and switched wholesale back to Netscape (yes, even at work!), and later to Mozilla and Firefox. I haven't used IE in a few years, and given its track record, I have no intention to start. The real solution is to use--and as paying customers, demand compatibility with--Free Software, and this includes at home, not just at work. The more organizations see that it's in the home, the more they'll have to think about it in the workplace, which is exactly how MS got its corporate market share. Let's not lose sight of that. As for Macs, I have several here at home. I run Yellow Dog Linux 3.0.1 on all of them. I will not run OS X, because it is not Free. You're still subject to Apple's whim for when they decide, like MS recently w/ IE, to get around to fixing bugs, not to mention a possible BSA audit. Yes indeed, thank HEAVENS for the likes of Mozilla and Linux. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Jul 13 22:18:11 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:18:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Info on Upgrading from RedHat 9 to Red Hat ES 3.0 Message-ID: This weekend I upgrade the school customer I work for from RedHat 9 to RedHat Enterprise Edition 3.0 Academic edition. Here is Summary of what I did to migrate to RedHat Enterprise. First thing I did is used Webmin to do a filesystem backup to another samba server to have backup of the home, var, and etc. Also, I ran fdisk and did a print out the partition setup to a text file so I knew what partitions needed to be added to mtab and fstab. I copied /var /etc on my /home partition since it was separate from the root partition, so I could access my old server configuration files easily. I also made an image backup of the server with ghost. My server specs are Proliant 7000 Dual 450MHZ Xeon II with 2MB cache with 1.5GB of Ram with 108GB disk in a Raid 5 setup. This server is a Samba PDC used for file and print sharing (Cups and Samba), DNS, and DHCP. I did have one luxury I have several Compaq Proliant 3000, 5500, and 6500 servers that I could use to restore my ghost image file to do a test migration. I deleted the root partition on my test box. Then I partition the root partition to make it the same size as the original root partition. Finished the install ES 3.0. On booted up RedHat detected the different RAID controller and network controllers. I changed the network card configuration to a different IP address, so I could run the up2date. When the server booted I proceeded to run Redhat up2date and it would not download any updates. The reason was my /boot partition was too small. The partition was only 100MB. Since I did this on my test migration box I was not too concerned about this I new I could reconfigure the partition size to a bigger size when I actually do the migration. I tried to resize the partition with Partition Magic 8.0, but it keep giving me block errors and would not resize the partition. So, I was going to restore my server image backup on my test box, but user computer problems did not allow me enough time during the week to do another test migration. My plan was to reconfigure the server on my test server and then restore it on my production server, but it just did not work out that way. Since the migration needed to get done before summer school I took the server off line and made another image backup and dump of /etc /var /home on Friday night. I came in on Saturday Morning and boot off the Enterprise 3.0 Cd. When anaconda came up I went through the wizard and selected the manual disk portioning option. If you choose automatic disk portioning it wants to wipe out all your disk partitions which would added a lot of time to the process, because you would have to restore all your data back. Since I had /home and /smbsrvr (My directory for netlogon ,windows shares, and apps) on separate partitions I did not have to restore any data just server configuration files in /etc and /var. I manually delete /boot and / with disk gruid. I reconfigure /boot to 500MB and / to 9.5GB. Both partitions are EXT3. Continue through the Anaconda wizard and feed the installation CDs to the server. When the server was finished and booted into Enterprise 3.0 I login in and startx. When X came up proceed to run up2date and register the server with RedHat and get the latest updates. For some reason it took an hour to get the updates downloaded and installed. If I had a speedier box it might have went faster. I rebooted the server after the updates where installed to make sure the new kernel patch was running and the updates did not cause any problems. The server was running with now problems, so I proceeded to edit the mtab and fstab to mount the /home partition. Once I mounted the /home partition I open up the fstab and mtab config files in my /etc backup on my /home partition and cut and pasted the missing partitions in my Redhat ES fstab and mtab config files. I restarted the server to make sure all my partitions mounted. The partitions mounted fine. Then I started to compare my RH9 /etc config files with RH ES 3.0. Most of the configuration files where the same, so I backup RH ES config files in backup directory for each service I was changing. For Example: under /etc/samba I made a directory /etc/samba/backup and copied the config files from ES to the backup directory and copy my old RH9 config files in the Samba directory. I also copied my DNS and SAMBA data into the proper directories /var. I used the gui services tool to set DHCP,DNS, and Samba to start on boot and started the services. Everyting transferred except for Samba. DHCP, DNS, and CUPS worked fine. All my CUPS queues where there and the queues worked. I was pleasantly surprised how well those services transferred especially, since I have only been using Linux for two years my Linux skills are not the great some of you experienced Linux Guru's on this list. My only problem was Samba would start, but I could not connect to the server. RedHat ES 3.0 has there version of Samba 3.02E which I assume this is patch version with the printer patch. My RedHat 9 server was running Samba 3.04. Since I had a new version of Samba I guess I could not down grade to ES version. I used the RedHat 9 RPM version of Samba from samba.org. The RPM installed, but something in the install script did not work. Even though the setup script bombed it copied all the executables and Samba started to work. The only side effect I have seen so far is winbind does not show up in the services gui and it does not start automatically. I can start winbind from the command line without any problems. All my trust relationships work fine, so I just need to edit the startup script and add winbind I think. The other side effect of migrating to RedHat ES 3.0 is webmin 1.50 you can not install the SSL piece for secure login into webmin. I am not sure how to fix this yet. I hope this info helps this news group out, because this news group has help me out a lot. Please give me some input if there is a better way of doing this migration. Thanks -Glenn From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Jul 13 22:30:17 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:30:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] audio redux? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040713152053.01bc5678@pop.easystreet.com> Is there a more complete HowTo on getting audio to work? I've k12ltsp.org'd, I've googled, I've archived. I'm the kinda guy that likes a checklist, and some params. Can someone say definitively, "if you have these files, in these locations, configured thusly, then audio should work"? I know, I know, "go back to Microsoft" they shout in unison. But seriously... I've got a Gateway E1000 with an Ensoniq 1730 (1370?) I know I picked the right one in the conf file. Or a NIC. (New Internet Computer) And I can't get MP3's or CD's to play on either. BTW, how do you get a CD on the thin client to mount? It would be really cool to be able to stick a CD in there and copy files to the server, or whatnot, but I can't figure out how the mount command would work. Thanks again. (If I've worn you out with the newbie stuff, just holler at me. FYI, I'm just experimenting with K12LTSP right now, but after I get comfortable with it, I do plan on pimping it to schools and other orgs that I come in contact with. I think it's incredible, appropriate technology that meets a real need that people have.) ck From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Jul 13 22:36:58 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:36:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] audio redux? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040713152053.01bc5678@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040713152053.01bc5678@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <40F4640A.4060700@criticalcontrol.com> local CD support is in LTSP 4.1 beta, not in the current K12LTSP AFAIK. Peter From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Jul 13 23:32:47 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:32:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits In-Reply-To: <04Jul13.175903cest.87209@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Jul13.175903cest.87209@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <44224.217.211.209.189.1089761567.squirrel@217.211.209.189> Hi! I use a simple firewall with dansguardian on squid (for eg. IpCop Firewall) stopping .exe .com .zip and such filetypes and it have saved med tons of work. If the culprit files cant be downloaded its not that much that can get into your computers at the network. This also stops many from d/l viruses from webmails witch is not checked for viruses at the mailserver. There are few occasions when a user should be able to download an executable. Dansguardian lets you specify ip to designated workstations that should be able to d/l stuff. The amount of work this has saved me is very big. To monitor for all the numerous exploits for Windows would require pretty much processing power. There are comercial (expensive) solutions but i dont know of any open source ones. Maybe because it would just be stupid to hold hands on Microsofts products wich is where the effort to fix things should be. Especially when there are better alternatives out there for free. Just my /dev/random > Does anyone know of an open source product that can filter web traffic > for HTML exploits, hi-jackings and other web page viruses and maybe even > some spyware? I already use squid for content filtering I am looking > for something that will clean or block HTML exploits. > > > > Thanks, > > Jay > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Daniel Hedblom Admin Nipan School District Sweden +46 620-68 26 38 +46 70-383 72 44 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jul 14 00:42:29 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:42:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HTML exploits In-Reply-To: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF36CDF86@merlin.ycoe.org> References: <04C90FF2EA3FB4478640DC3AD4578EF36CDF86@merlin.ycoe.org> Message-ID: <40F48175.7070107@cmosnetworks.com> Ehrhart, Jay wrote: >Leaving Microsoft Internet Explorer may solve some of the exploits but >what about the rest? Also I have 12,000 desktops behind my firewall at >school districts that I don't have control over and need to protect. I >am looking for a solution for desk tops that I can control and those >that I cannot. > >Is there an open source solution that product that can filter web >traffic for HTML exploits, hi-jackings and other web page viruses and >maybe even some spyware? > >Thanks > > I don't know of either an open source or Free Software solution (yet), but I do it at the router with something called policy routing. Basically, any extension that I don't like, I block right there, so the attachment never gets through to the trusted network in the first place. I had to learn how to do this back in the days of Code Red, since we're running a lot of IIS (unfortunately). Since you obviously have Internet connectivity, you therefore have a router, and so this may be an option for you to consider. Feel free to let me know off list if you want to try this, since it'd be kinda off topic. --TP From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Jul 14 01:33:34 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:33:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Damaged or Bad header.info from Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Message-ID: <40F48D6E.20306@snet.net> What's this mean? [root at localhost tony]# yum upgrade Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Damaged or Bad header.info from Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base This is probably because of a downed server or an invalid header.info on a repository. [root at localhost tony]# Can I safely assume that the problem is actually at the other end? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Jul 14 01:34:54 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:34:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CDRecord suddenly refuses to burn. Message-ID: <40F48DBE.8060704@snet.net> CDRecord suddenly refuses to burn. I am using the same Staples CDs I was burning to only two weeks ago, but, now, I get this output: [root at localhost CDFiles]# cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 freeduc-cd-1.4.1.iso Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-redhat-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jrg Schilling TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM scsidev: '0,0,0' scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.25 Using libscg version 'schily-0.7' cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (schily - Red Hat-scsi-linux-sg.c-1.75-RH '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.75 02/10/21 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). SCSI buffer size: 64512 atapi: 1 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 1 Vendor_info : 'PHILIPS ' Identifikation : 'PCRW804 ' Revision : ' 2,1' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC SWABAUDIO Supported modes: TAO PACKET RAW/R16 Drive buf size : 1572864 = 1536 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data 698 MB Total size: 802 MB (79:28.66) = 357650 sectors Lout start: 802 MB (79:30/50) = 357650 sectors cdrecord: Input/output error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 13 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x2 Not Ready, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x3A Qual 0x00 (medium not present) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s cdrecord: No disk / Wrong disk! What can it mean? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jul 14 05:45:31 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:45:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha Message-ID: Hi all, I'm taking a poll to help me make up my mind. It's getting into the summer and I need to make up my mind as to whether to deploy 4.02 or wait a week or two and deploy whatever the latest 4.1 happens to be. What are others doing? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mross at esd165.org Wed Jul 14 05:54:11 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:54:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F4CA83.9030607@esd165.org> I think Eric will have a beta out for our testing shortly. Being a beta, it is not a final product. Make sure you consider that if you have to deploy soon. I will be taking the upcomming beta and install it into my mini-lab for testing. I want to see how it ticks compared to 4.0.1. If it's not ship-shape by the begining of our school year, I'll be redeploying 4.0.1 or 4.0.2, if it is avalible. I read comments on the LTSP archives that they want to have LTSP 4 'out' by the begining of August. Since we know K12LTSP 4.1 is going to depend on LTSP 4, then K12LTSP 4.1 cannot be released until the new LTSP is no longer beta. My personal oppinion: Be prepared to install 4.0.1. --Matt David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm taking a poll to help me make up my mind. It's getting into the >summer and I need to make up my mind as to whether to deploy 4.02 or wait >a week or two and deploy whatever the latest 4.1 happens to be. What are >others doing? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 14 07:02:44 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:02:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC change in 4.01??? In-Reply-To: References: <40F2CF7C.8040800@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did any of your vnc config files change from the upgrade, or do they NEED to change due to the upgrade? On Jul 12, 2004, at 7:35 PM, Shane Stafford wrote: > actually two questions. > > 1) are there iso for K12 LTSP 4.02 posted somewhere? > > 2) my VNC viewer is no longer working. Did something change with > 4.0.1. > I haven't made any changes to network and suddenly I can't connect to > the > server. > Using XP or Win2000 same response, can't connect to server. It pings > fine. > > any ideas, thanks > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD02osACgkQfqZR3ThMfXROwgCgjADPldJHqvLqUEXJ/dIpZf6S ek0An36aFXJ1c4NhGrHE4IN6r+C4PMyb =aOgB - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD02pQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSzHQCeKplpzPNJjCf4T8TiGw9NkTCZ /XoAn1DqtxA9K9IF/3FRKsTbb0D/+sp+ =HIUZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Wed Jul 14 07:29:32 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:29:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: <04Jul14.074125cest.87109@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Jul14.074125cest.87109@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <3554.195.84.143.98.1089790172.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Well ill stick to 4.0.1 until there is a fairly stable release out. Its good enough and i dont lack anything at all in it for now. /daniel > Hi all, > > I'm taking a poll to help me make up my mind. It's getting into the > summer and I need to make up my mind as to whether to deploy 4.02 or wait > a week or two and deploy whatever the latest 4.1 happens to be. What are > others doing? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Daniel Hedblom Admin Nipan School District Sweden +46 620-68 26 38 +46 70-383 72 44 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jul 14 10:28:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:28:02 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha Message-ID: <200407140909.i6E99BZ21035@downeast.net> If you mean ltsp just put in ltsp 4.1 next to existing 4.0 installtook about 15 minutes start to finish..if you mean k12ltsp can't help you..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From lewis at pcc.com Wed Jul 14 11:56:29 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:56:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Info on Upgrading from RedHat 9 to Red Hat ES 3.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glenn, I don't have any help you out, but a big thanks. I have been on the edge of considering RedHat ES installation. Nice to know that most all of Linux 9 config remains the same. I will be using this post as a reference in the future, that's for sure. Lewis On Jul 13, 2004, at 6:18 PM, Glenn Arnold wrote: > This weekend I upgrade the school customer I work for from RedHat 9 to > RedHat Enterprise Edition 3.0 Academic edition. > Here is Summary of what I did to migrate to RedHat Enterprise. > > First thing I did is used Webmin to do a filesystem backup to > another samba server to have backup of the home, var, and etc. Also, I > ran fdisk and did a print out the partition setup to a text file so I > knew what partitions needed to be added to mtab and fstab. I copied > /var /etc on my /home partition since it was separate from the root > partition, so I could access my old server configuration files easily. > I also made an image backup of the server with ghost. My server specs > are Proliant 7000 Dual 450MHZ Xeon II with 2MB cache with 1.5GB of Ram > with 108GB disk in a Raid 5 setup. This server is a Samba PDC used for > file and print sharing (Cups and Samba), DNS, and DHCP. I did have > one > luxury I have several Compaq Proliant 3000, 5500, and 6500 servers > that > I could use to restore my ghost image file to do a test migration. I > deleted the root partition on my test box. Then I partition the root > partition to make it the same size as the original root partition. > Finished the install ES 3.0. On booted up RedHat detected the > different RAID controller and network controllers. I changed the > network card configuration to a different IP address, so I could run > the > up2date. When the server booted I proceeded to run Redhat up2date and > it would not download any updates. The reason was my /boot partition > was > too small. The partition was only 100MB. Since I did this on my test > migration box I was not too concerned about this I new I could > reconfigure the partition size to a bigger size when I actually do the > migration. I tried to resize the partition with Partition Magic 8.0, > but it keep giving me block errors and would not resize the partition. > So, I was going to restore my server image backup on my test box, but > user computer problems did not allow me enough time during the week to > do another test migration. My plan was to reconfigure the server on my > test server and then restore it on my production server, but it just > did > not work out that way. Since the migration needed to get done before > summer school I took the server off line and made another image backup > and dump of /etc /var /home on Friday night. I came in on Saturday > Morning and boot off the Enterprise 3.0 Cd. When anaconda came up I > went through the wizard and selected the manual disk portioning option. > If you choose automatic disk portioning it wants to wipe out all your > disk partitions which would added a lot of time to the process, because > you would have to restore all your data back. Since I had /home and > /smbsrvr (My directory for netlogon ,windows shares, and apps) on > separate partitions I did not have to restore any data just server > configuration files in /etc and /var. I manually delete /boot and / > with disk gruid. I reconfigure /boot to 500MB and / to 9.5GB. Both > partitions are EXT3. Continue through the Anaconda wizard and feed the > installation CDs to the server. When the server was finished and > booted > into Enterprise 3.0 I login in and startx. > When X came up proceed to run up2date and register the server with > RedHat and get the latest updates. For some reason it took an hour to > get the updates downloaded and installed. If I had a speedier box it > might have went faster. I rebooted the server after the updates where > installed to make sure the new kernel patch was running and the updates > did not cause any problems. The server was running with now problems, > so I proceeded to edit the mtab and fstab to mount the /home partition. > Once I mounted the /home partition I open up the fstab and mtab config > files in my /etc backup on my /home partition and cut and pasted the > missing partitions in my Redhat ES fstab and mtab config files. I > restarted the server to make sure all my partitions mounted. The > partitions mounted fine. Then I started to compare my RH9 /etc config > files with RH ES 3.0. Most of the configuration files where the same, > so I backup RH ES config files in backup directory for each service I > was changing. For Example: under /etc/samba I made a directory > /etc/samba/backup and copied the config files from ES to the backup > directory and copy my old RH9 config files in the Samba directory. I > also copied my DNS and SAMBA data into the proper directories /var. I > used the gui services tool to set DHCP,DNS, and Samba to start on boot > and started the services. Everyting transferred except for Samba. > DHCP, DNS, and CUPS worked fine. All my CUPS queues where there and > the > queues worked. I was pleasantly surprised how well those services > transferred especially, since I have only been using Linux for two > years > my Linux skills are not the great some of you experienced Linux Guru's > on this list. My only problem was Samba would start, but I could not > connect to the server. RedHat ES 3.0 has there version of Samba 3.02E > which I assume this is patch version with the printer patch. My RedHat > 9 server was running Samba 3.04. Since I had a new version of Samba I > guess I could not down grade to ES version. I used the RedHat 9 RPM > version of Samba from samba.org. The RPM installed, but something in > the install script did not work. Even though the setup script bombed it > copied all the executables and Samba started to work. The only side > effect I have seen so far is winbind does not show up in the services > gui and it does not start automatically. I can start winbind from the > command line without any problems. All my trust relationships work > fine, so I just need to edit the startup script and add winbind I > think. > The other side effect of migrating to RedHat ES 3.0 is webmin 1.50 you > can not install the SSL piece for secure login into webmin. I am not > sure how to fix this yet. I hope this info helps this news group out, > because this news group has help me out a lot. Please give me some > input if there is a better way of doing this migration. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Wed Jul 14 13:13:34 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:13:34 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora and Sil 3114 Raid References: Message-ID: <002b01c469a4$5ee47500$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Has anybody managed to get Fedora Core to work with the Sil 3114 Raid card. They are on the Tyan Opteron boards and I cant seem to get it to recognise the raid card. Kind Regards From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 13:23:38 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh Message-ID: I have vncviewer set up and working but when I use it over the WAN (DSL and one end and T1 at the other)the screen paints about one line a second. Is there any way to speed this up? It works ok, but every little change on the screen and the whole screen has to be repainted. Large white spaces or spaces with uniform solid colors and nothing else paint faster but there are very few screens like that in a graphical environment. If there are any tweaks or adjustments, I'd sure like to know. Thank you! -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Jul 14 13:43:52 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:43:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: ; from simpsond@leopards.k12.ar.us on Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:23:38AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040714094352.A14665@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:23:38AM -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > I have vncviewer set up and working but when I use it over the WAN (DSL > and one end and T1 at the other)the screen paints about one line a second. > > Is there any way to speed this up? It works ok, but every little change > on the screen and the whole screen has to be repainted. Large white spaces > or spaces with uniform solid colors and nothing else paint faster but > there are very few screens like that in a graphical environment. > > If there are any tweaks or adjustments, I'd sure like to know. Doug, you didn't say what types of systems you are accessing via VNC. If you are trying to remotely access a Linux box, you should do a remote X-Window, tunneled thru ssh. Its will be 5 to 10 times faster. If you are trying to remotely access a Windows box, make sure you are using "TightVNC" on the Win box. Its a little smarter about updates but all VNC over this type of link is painful. There is also "rdesktop" as an option. -- Our father, which art in Redmond, Monopoly be thy name. Thy empire come, thy OS never done, shipping as it is in development Give us this day, our daily bug And forgive address violations as we forgive those viruses that trespass against us Lead us not unto competition but deliver us from Choice For thine is the license, the revenue and the greed forever. Amen ========================================== Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 13:48:02 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <20040714094352.A14665@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: Well, I shouldn;t have assumed that since I directed that to a linux users group that I was using linux computers. . . Linux on both ends. Sorry for the sarcasm. . . DS On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:23:38AM -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > I have vncviewer set up and working but when I use it over the WAN (DSL > > and one end and T1 at the other)the screen paints about one line a second. > > > > Is there any way to speed this up? It works ok, but every little change > > on the screen and the whole screen has to be repainted. Large white spaces > > or spaces with uniform solid colors and nothing else paint faster but > > there are very few screens like that in a graphical environment. > > > > If there are any tweaks or adjustments, I'd sure like to know. > > Doug, you didn't say what types of systems you are accessing via VNC. > > If you are trying to remotely access a Linux box, you should do a remote > X-Window, tunneled thru ssh. Its will be 5 to 10 times faster. > > If you are trying to remotely access a Windows box, make sure you are > using "TightVNC" on the Win box. Its a little smarter about updates > but all VNC over this type of link is painful. > > There is also "rdesktop" as an option. > > > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 14:00:27 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:00:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another Script Challenge Message-ID: <2271.165.29.94.254.1089813627.squirrel@165.29.94.254> This one may be easier for you....what's the best way to script deleting a .recycle folder from every users home directory? (/home/username/.recycle) -- Caleb Wagnon Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From lewis at pcc.com Wed Jul 14 14:08:07 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:08:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Script Challenge In-Reply-To: <2271.165.29.94.254.1089813627.squirrel@165.29.94.254> References: <2271.165.29.94.254.1089813627.squirrel@165.29.94.254> Message-ID: <3AF1EF92-D59F-11D8-8D1D-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Caleb cd /home for user in * do rm -f /home/$user/.recycle done In this script I did not need to specify the full path in the rm command. But I have nuked stuff way to many times so I try to use full paths in my rm commands. Lewis On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:00 AM, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > This one may be easier for you....what's the best way to script > deleting a > .recycle folder from every users home directory? > (/home/username/.recycle) > > > -- > Caleb Wagnon > Technology Coordinator > Fordyce School District > 870.352.2968 > http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 14:10:52 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another Script Challenge In-Reply-To: <2271.165.29.94.254.1089813627.squirrel@165.29.94.254> Message-ID: Hmmm. . . I think you could do this without a script just with this command: find /home -name .recycle -exec rm -Rf {} \; This will find the .recycle folder under every user's home directory and run the rm program to remove it recursively (R) and no questions asked (f) Doug On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > This one may be easier for you....what's the best way to script deleting a > .recycle folder from every users home directory? (/home/username/.recycle) > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Jul 14 14:11:48 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:11:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Script Challenge In-Reply-To: <2271.165.29.94.254.1089813627.squirrel@165.29.94.254> References: <2271.165.29.94.254.1089813627.squirrel@165.29.94.254> Message-ID: >This one may be easier for you....what's the best way to script deleting a >.recycle folder from every users home directory? (/home/username/.recycle) > For a one time delete something like: #!/usr/bin/perl $dir="/home/"; while(<$dir/*>) { ($junk, $uid) = split /\/\//; system ("echo /bin/rm -rf $_/.recycle"); print "$uid."; } print "\n"; just remove the echo from the system call and the above should work. Echo is there to test before running ;-) Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Jul 14 14:23:06 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:23:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Info on Upgrading from RedHat 9 to Red Hat ES 3.0 Message-ID: Lewis, When I was researching this subject I did not find out very much information on migrating just bits and pieces. So, I wanted to share what I have learned with everybody on the list, because there was server people responded to my questions that where on the fence on migrating or not. Thanks for your input. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Lewis Holcroft [mailto:lewis at pcc.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:56 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Info on Upgrading from RedHat 9 to Red Hat ES 3.0 Glenn, I don't have any help you out, but a big thanks. I have been on the edge of considering RedHat ES installation. Nice to know that most all of Linux 9 config remains the same. I will be using this post as a reference in the future, that's for sure. Lewis On Jul 13, 2004, at 6:18 PM, Glenn Arnold wrote: > This weekend I upgrade the school customer I work for from RedHat 9 to > RedHat Enterprise Edition 3.0 Academic edition. > Here is Summary of what I did to migrate to RedHat Enterprise. > > First thing I did is used Webmin to do a filesystem backup to > another samba server to have backup of the home, var, and etc. Also, I > ran fdisk and did a print out the partition setup to a text file so I > knew what partitions needed to be added to mtab and fstab. I copied > /var /etc on my /home partition since it was separate from the root > partition, so I could access my old server configuration files easily. > I also made an image backup of the server with ghost. My server specs > are Proliant 7000 Dual 450MHZ Xeon II with 2MB cache with 1.5GB of Ram > with 108GB disk in a Raid 5 setup. This server is a Samba PDC used for > file and print sharing (Cups and Samba), DNS, and DHCP. I did have > one > luxury I have several Compaq Proliant 3000, 5500, and 6500 servers > that > I could use to restore my ghost image file to do a test migration. I > deleted the root partition on my test box. Then I partition the root > partition to make it the same size as the original root partition. > Finished the install ES 3.0. On booted up RedHat detected the > different RAID controller and network controllers. I changed the > network card configuration to a different IP address, so I could run > the > up2date. When the server booted I proceeded to run Redhat up2date and > it would not download any updates. The reason was my /boot partition > was > too small. The partition was only 100MB. Since I did this on my test > migration box I was not too concerned about this I new I could > reconfigure the partition size to a bigger size when I actually do the > migration. I tried to resize the partition with Partition Magic 8.0, > but it keep giving me block errors and would not resize the partition. > So, I was going to restore my server image backup on my test box, but > user computer problems did not allow me enough time during the week to > do another test migration. My plan was to reconfigure the server on my > test server and then restore it on my production server, but it just > did > not work out that way. Since the migration needed to get done before > summer school I took the server off line and made another image backup > and dump of /etc /var /home on Friday night. I came in on Saturday > Morning and boot off the Enterprise 3.0 Cd. When anaconda came up I > went through the wizard and selected the manual disk portioning option. > If you choose automatic disk portioning it wants to wipe out all your > disk partitions which would added a lot of time to the process, because > you would have to restore all your data back. Since I had /home and > /smbsrvr (My directory for netlogon ,windows shares, and apps) on > separate partitions I did not have to restore any data just server > configuration files in /etc and /var. I manually delete /boot and / > with disk gruid. I reconfigure /boot to 500MB and / to 9.5GB. Both > partitions are EXT3. Continue through the Anaconda wizard and feed the > installation CDs to the server. When the server was finished and > booted > into Enterprise 3.0 I login in and startx. > When X came up proceed to run up2date and register the server with > RedHat and get the latest updates. For some reason it took an hour to > get the updates downloaded and installed. If I had a speedier box it > might have went faster. I rebooted the server after the updates where > installed to make sure the new kernel patch was running and the updates > did not cause any problems. The server was running with now problems, > so I proceeded to edit the mtab and fstab to mount the /home partition. > Once I mounted the /home partition I open up the fstab and mtab config > files in my /etc backup on my /home partition and cut and pasted the > missing partitions in my Redhat ES fstab and mtab config files. I > restarted the server to make sure all my partitions mounted. The > partitions mounted fine. Then I started to compare my RH9 /etc config > files with RH ES 3.0. Most of the configuration files where the same, > so I backup RH ES config files in backup directory for each service I > was changing. For Example: under /etc/samba I made a directory > /etc/samba/backup and copied the config files from ES to the backup > directory and copy my old RH9 config files in the Samba directory. I > also copied my DNS and SAMBA data into the proper directories /var. I > used the gui services tool to set DHCP,DNS, and Samba to start on boot > and started the services. Everyting transferred except for Samba. > DHCP, DNS, and CUPS worked fine. All my CUPS queues where there and > the > queues worked. I was pleasantly surprised how well those services > transferred especially, since I have only been using Linux for two > years > my Linux skills are not the great some of you experienced Linux Guru's > on this list. My only problem was Samba would start, but I could not > connect to the server. RedHat ES 3.0 has there version of Samba 3.02E > which I assume this is patch version with the printer patch. My RedHat > 9 server was running Samba 3.04. Since I had a new version of Samba I > guess I could not down grade to ES version. I used the RedHat 9 RPM > version of Samba from samba.org. The RPM installed, but something in > the install script did not work. Even though the setup script bombed it > copied all the executables and Samba started to work. The only side > effect I have seen so far is winbind does not show up in the services > gui and it does not start automatically. I can start winbind from the > command line without any problems. All my trust relationships work > fine, so I just need to edit the startup script and add winbind I > think. > The other side effect of migrating to RedHat ES 3.0 is webmin 1.50 you > can not install the SSL piece for secure login into webmin. I am not > sure how to fix this yet. I hope this info helps this news group out, > because this news group has help me out a lot. Please give me some > input if there is a better way of doing this migration. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From wescott_mike at emc.com Wed Jul 14 14:32:47 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:32:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Script Challenge Message-ID: <200407141432.i6EEWl19010281@strange.us.dg.com> cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us asked: > what's the best way to script deleting a .recycle folder from every > users home directory? (/home/username/.recycle) If I was doing it by hand: cd /home; rm -rf */.recycle or if the number of users is large: cd /home; for i in *; do rm -rf $i/.recycle; done or if they're not all in /home: awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $6}' < /etc/passwd | while read homedir do rm -rf $homedir/.recycle done where the 500 is lowest uid given to ordinary users. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Jul 14 15:02:05 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:02:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: ; from simpsond@leopards.k12.ar.us on Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:48:02AM -0500 References: <20040714094352.A14665@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040714110205.B14665@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:48:02AM -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Well, I shouldn;t have assumed that since I directed that to a linux users > group that I was using linux computers. . . Since VNC is just about WORST choice to connect *NIX/Linux boxes, using it at all implies a Win box somewhere in the mix. X-Windows, The better choice, has been available for some TWENTY years. It is usually an order of magnitude faster, sometimes more. Oh, yeah - And its how your K12LTSP clients work. People who know UNIX or Linux try to never use VNC to go between *NIX/Linux systems. To any person knowledgeable about networks and UNIX/Linux, VNC implies a Win box at one end of the connection. (or, prior to Mac OS/X - a Mac) > Sorry for the sarcasm. . . Thats all right, Its was really funny because you had no idea. Don't get me wrong - I'm not 'dissing VNC, but it should only be used as as last resort when you can't use X-Windows. Here's one of the how-to's: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Remote-X-Apps.html -- Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 14 15:15:09 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:15:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC change in 4.01??? In-Reply-To: References: <40F2CF7C.8040800@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1089818108.12209.17.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 17:35, Shane Stafford wrote: > actually two questions. > > 1) are there iso for K12 LTSP 4.02 posted somewhere? My test builds are available, but not the final release. Since 4.0.2 is just a minor update, it is on the back-burner while I work on 4.1.0 ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.0.2test/iso/ > 2) my VNC viewer is no longer working. Did something change with 4.0.1. Nope, not changes to vnc. It works fine on all of the 4.0 & 4.1 boxes I have access to. > I haven't made any changes to network and suddenly I can't connect to the > server. > Using XP or Win2000 same response, can't connect to server. It pings fine. > > any ideas, thanks The only ideas that jump to mind are: 1) xinetd is not running 2) firewall is blocking vnc access If xinetd is not running, terminals won't boot (required for tftp), so that should be obvious. If you are trying to reach the ltsp server from the external network, make sure that tcp ports 5900-5909 are open. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(/home/username/.recycle) > > > > You could also try this command. rm -Rf /home/*/.recycle -Patrick From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 14 15:29:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:29:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <20040714110205.B14665@redline.comcast.net> References: <20040714094352.A14665@redline.comcast.net> <20040714110205.B14665@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1089818947.30275.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 10:02, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:48:02AM -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Well, I shouldn;t have assumed that since I directed that to a linux users > > group that I was using linux computers. . . > > Since VNC is just about WORST choice to connect *NIX/Linux boxes, > using it at all implies a Win box somewhere in the mix. > > X-Windows, The better choice, has been available for some TWENTY years. Errr..., no. The complaint was about VNC speed over a low bandwidth link. Running straight X is going to be much worse. VNC can skip some steps during a screen update and catch up with the results when things stop moving - X has to complete every step at the remote side. Just opening a new window over a T1 can take minutes. Tight/ultra vnc have some advantages but you have to match the client and server to use the extensions. However, I think there may be some kind of network problem involved. VNC over a T1 should be slightly annoying with the cursor lag but very usable. What kind of transfer rate do you see in an ftp between the machines in question. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Jul 14 15:56:02 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:56:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <1089818947.30275.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com>; from les@futuresource.com on Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:29:07AM -0500 References: <20040714094352.A14665@redline.comcast.net> <20040714110205.B14665@redline.comcast.net> <1089818947.30275.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040714115602.A15143@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:29:07AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Errr..., no. The complaint was about VNC speed over a low bandwidth > link. Running straight X is going to be much worse. VNC can skip Errr..., no. I have used X and TightVNC over the same link, and where VNC was doing the typical "4-10 seconds" per screen redraw, X was mostly keeping up with real time. X-windows works much better over low bandwidth links than VNC. Why? Raw Data vs. Abstraction Remote X-windows doesn't send any graphical information over the link. It sends only events like "Close Window 27" to the X-server at your display. VNC, on the other hand, has to send an entire frame buffer of raster data (hopefully optimized), resulting in transfers of thousands or tens of thousands of bytes where X sends only twenty or thirty bytes. Even with intelligently optimized 'skipping" of redraw data remote frame buffer systems like VNC have to send much more information over the network. If VNC is more efficient, then we should use it instead of an X server for the thin clients right ? Its certainly smaller than an X-Server. (( Historical Note - VNC was invented by some folks at Olivetti in the UK (Later became part of AT&T). Its designed and intended use was to permit people using very small systems, incapable of running an "X-server", to access a machine running X-Windows. See top right corner of page 3 of: http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/publications/files/tr.98.1.pdf )) -- Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 14 18:20:14 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:20:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Damaged or Bad header.info from Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base In-Reply-To: <40F48D6E.20306@snet.net> Message-ID: <000b01c469cf$3540c340$1803010a@paasda.org> I'm getting the same message now... but only after I ctrl-c'd out of Yum --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of anthony baldwin Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:34 PM To: K12list Subject: [K12OSN] Damaged or Bad header.info from Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base What's this mean? [root at localhost tony]# yum upgrade Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Damaged or Bad header.info from Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base This is probably because of a downed server or an invalid header.info on a repository. [root at localhost tony]# Can I safely assume that the problem is actually at the other end? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 18:36:17 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:36:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <1089818947.30275.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I haven't tried an ftp between the two computers. I'll have to set up ftp on one ot the other to try that. Doug On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 10:02, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:48:02AM -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > Well, I shouldn;t have assumed that since I directed that to a linux users > > > group that I was using linux computers. . . > > > > Since VNC is just about WORST choice to connect *NIX/Linux boxes, > > using it at all implies a Win box somewhere in the mix. > > > > X-Windows, The better choice, has been available for some TWENTY years. > > Errr..., no. The complaint was about VNC speed over a low bandwidth > link. Running straight X is going to be much worse. VNC can skip > some steps during a screen update and catch up with the results when > things stop moving - X has to complete every step at the remote side. > Just opening a new window over a T1 can take minutes. Tight/ultra > vnc have some advantages but you have to match the client and server > to use the extensions. However, I think there may be some kind of > network problem involved. VNC over a T1 should be slightly annoying > with the cursor lag but very usable. What kind of transfer rate do you > see in an ftp between the machines in question. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 14 18:38:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:38:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <20040714115602.A15143@redline.comcast.net> References: <20040714094352.A14665@redline.comcast.net> <20040714110205.B14665@redline.comcast.net> <1089818947.30275.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20040714115602.A15143@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1089830296.30275.153.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 10:56, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:29:07AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Errr..., no. The complaint was about VNC speed over a low bandwidth > > link. Running straight X is going to be much worse. VNC can skip > > Errr..., no. > > I have used X and TightVNC over the same link, and where VNC was doing > the typical "4-10 seconds" per screen redraw, X was mostly keeping up > with real time. > > X-windows works much better over low bandwidth links than VNC. > > Why? Raw Data vs. Abstraction This depends very much on the screens involved. > Remote X-windows doesn't send any graphical information over the link. > It sends only events like "Close Window 27" to the X-server at your > display. Perhaps if you are talking about xterms, but what's the point of running that remotely when you could run it locally and use ssh in text mode at the remote? How do you propose that mozilla might draw a picture on your remote screen without sending all the bits of the image? Now imagine an X program where the graphics change faster than they can be delivered to the remote (or try viewing an animation over a dialup...). > VNC, on the other hand, has to send an entire frame buffer of raster > data (hopefully optimized), resulting in transfers of thousands > or tens of thousands of bytes where X sends only twenty or thirty bytes. VNC can send whatever changed on the screen as it makes its scan and the program keeps going even if you just see choppy snapshots at the slow remote. X has to wait and if the remote can't display as fast as the program is trying to generate the images it will just never work. > Even with intelligently optimized 'skipping" of redraw data remote frame > buffer systems like VNC have to send much more information over the > network. It takes about so many bits to represent an image any way you slice it. X can optimize internal things but if you are really displaying graphics there's not much it can do but push the bits. > If VNC is more efficient, then we should use it instead of an X server > for the thin clients right ? Its certainly smaller than an X-Server. No, VNC is always going to have more latency because it is only connected to the screen buffer and doesn't know which part the program wants to change. > (( Historical Note - VNC was invented by some folks at Olivetti in > the UK (Later became part of AT&T). Its designed and intended use was > to permit people using very small systems, incapable of running an > "X-server", to access a machine running X-Windows. Actually in the lab where it was invented they used it routinely on their desktops with a system that identified the users by their lab badges and as they approached any client machine it would automatically yank their running desktop session to them. But, it is kind of cute to run a remote machine from an internet-enabled palm device (works best with a server that does scaling). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 18:39:50 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:39:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <20040714115602.A15143@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: I read most of a post given and it is all greek to me. . It was about using X instead of vnc. Given that there is an X server running at both places, what would be an example commandline for this scenario? Computer at home, where the program is to *run*. computer at work where the program running on the home computer would be displayed. Thanks. . . Doug On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:29:07AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Errr..., no. The complaint was about VNC speed over a low bandwidth > > link. Running straight X is going to be much worse. VNC can skip > > Errr..., no. > > I have used X and TightVNC over the same link, and where VNC was doing > the typical "4-10 seconds" per screen redraw, X was mostly keeping up > with real time. > > X-windows works much better over low bandwidth links than VNC. > > Why? Raw Data vs. Abstraction > > Remote X-windows doesn't send any graphical information over the link. > It sends only events like "Close Window 27" to the X-server at your > display. > > VNC, on the other hand, has to send an entire frame buffer of raster > data (hopefully optimized), resulting in transfers of thousands > or tens of thousands of bytes where X sends only twenty or thirty bytes. > Even with intelligently optimized 'skipping" of redraw data remote frame > buffer systems like VNC have to send much more information over the > network. > > If VNC is more efficient, then we should use it instead of an X server > for the thin clients right ? Its certainly smaller than an X-Server. > > (( Historical Note - VNC was invented by some folks at Olivetti in > the UK (Later became part of AT&T). Its designed and intended use was > to permit people using very small systems, incapable of running an > "X-server", to access a machine running X-Windows. > > See top right corner of page 3 of: > http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/publications/files/tr.98.1.pdf )) > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 14 18:47:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:47:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089830858.30275.162.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 13:39, Doug Simpson wrote: > I read most of a post given and it is all greek to me. . > > It was about using X instead of vnc. > > Given that there is an X server running at both places, what would be an > example commandline for this scenario? > > Computer at home, where the program is to *run*. > > computer at work where the program running on the home computer would be > displayed. If you can log in via ssh: >From a terminal window at work, ssh -C home_machine log in You can run text based programs in your terminal window or if you start an X program (by typing it's name, perhaps with a & to keep the terminal prompt active), it will open a window on your work desktop. In spite of what I said earlier, this will be much faster if the display is mostly text. Do you really have a T1 at home or is this a cable/dsl connection? Many 'high-speed' home connections have fairly low caps on outbound traffic. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 19:15:26 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:15:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <1089830858.30275.162.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: It is DSL at home T1 at work. I know outbound is slower than inbound. I will try what you said and see what happens. . . DS On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 13:39, Doug Simpson wrote: > > I read most of a post given and it is all greek to me. . > > > > It was about using X instead of vnc. > > > > Given that there is an X server running at both places, what would be an > > example commandline for this scenario? > > > > Computer at home, where the program is to *run*. > > > > computer at work where the program running on the home computer would be > > displayed. > > If you can log in via ssh: > >From a terminal window at work, > ssh -C home_machine > log in > You can run text based programs in your terminal window or if > you start an X program (by typing it's name, perhaps with a & > to keep the terminal prompt active), it will open a window on > your work desktop. In spite of what I said earlier, this will > be much faster if the display is mostly text. > > Do you really have a T1 at home or is this a cable/dsl connection? > Many 'high-speed' home connections have fairly low caps on > outbound traffic. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 19:19:22 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <1089830858.30275.162.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: OK, I knew about that but had always used VNC thinking it was better or whatever. If this was so easy, why would anyone want to use VNC? and why did that guy send me off on the greek goose-chase for something so simple. . . The command you gave works GREAT and MUCH FASTER than vnc! Thanks Doug On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 13:39, Doug Simpson wrote: > > I read most of a post given and it is all greek to me. . > > > > It was about using X instead of vnc. > > > > Given that there is an X server running at both places, what would be an > > example commandline for this scenario? > > > > Computer at home, where the program is to *run*. > > > > computer at work where the program running on the home computer would be > > displayed. > > If you can log in via ssh: > >From a terminal window at work, > ssh -C home_machine > log in > You can run text based programs in your terminal window or if > you start an X program (by typing it's name, perhaps with a & > to keep the terminal prompt active), it will open a window on > your work desktop. In spite of what I said earlier, this will > be much faster if the display is mostly text. > > Do you really have a T1 at home or is this a cable/dsl connection? > Many 'high-speed' home connections have fairly low caps on > outbound traffic. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 14 19:31:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:31:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089833516.5630.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 14:19, Doug Simpson wrote: > OK, I knew about that but had always used VNC thinking it was better or > whatever. > > If this was so easy, why would anyone want to use VNC? and why did that > guy send me off on the greek goose-chase for something so simple. . . VNC has advantages in several situations. The most common is that you are running cross-platform with windows as the client or server. Another is that you want to grab the console screen or keep a long-running session where you can disconnect and reconnect over a period of time. Another is where the bandwidth is so bad that X just doesn't work. VNC will also perform badly then but it may be possible to type in some commands and get something done. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 14 19:36:45 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <1089833516.5630.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: However, when you use VNC with linux, you can'e leave a session and return to it later like you can with Windows. You get a new session exery time with linux. Unless there is something you can tell me that will allow me to get into the same session as one already running. . . DS On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 14:19, Doug Simpson wrote: > > OK, I knew about that but had always used VNC thinking it was better or > > whatever. > > > > If this was so easy, why would anyone want to use VNC? and why did that > > guy send me off on the greek goose-chase for something so simple. . . > > VNC has advantages in several situations. The most common is that > you are running cross-platform with windows as the client or > server. Another is that you want to grab the console screen > or keep a long-running session where you can disconnect > and reconnect over a period of time. Another is where the > bandwidth is so bad that X just doesn't work. VNC will also > perform badly then but it may be possible to type in some > commands and get something done. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 14 19:54:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:54:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089834852.5630.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 14:36, Doug Simpson wrote: > However, when you use VNC with linux, you can'e leave a session and return > to it later like you can with Windows. You get a new session exery time > with linux. Unless there is something you can tell me that will allow me > to get into the same session as one already running. . . To allow vnc to connect to the x session running on the console you can run x0rfbserver. For a long-running background vnc session you need to start vncserver yourself instead of letting xinetd start a fresh session for every connection. It will tell you the screen number to use to connect when you start it and it will keep running until you kill it. There is some extra setup for passwords and the kind of session to start. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Jul 14 20:23:55 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:23:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: <1089830296.30275.153.camel@moola.futuresource.com>; from les@futuresource.com on Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 01:38:17PM -0500 References: <20040714094352.A14665@redline.comcast.net> <20040714110205.B14665@redline.comcast.net> <1089818947.30275.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20040714115602.A15143@redline.comcast.net> <1089830296.30275.153.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040714162355.B15143@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 01:38:17PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 10:56, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > X-windows works much better over low bandwidth links than VNC. > > Why? Raw Data vs. Abstraction > > This depends very much on the screens involved. Yes it does. > > > Remote X-windows doesn't send any graphical information over the link. > > It sends only events like "Close Window 27" to the X-server at your > > display. > > Perhaps if you are talking about xterms, but what's the point of Who would run xterm over either VNC or X-Win when they can just ssh into the system? In the scenario given above, (Close a window) the remote X-Win system transmits only the event and the local X-server already knows everything it has to do to update the display which it does at the speed of the CPU/graphics card combo. As fast as the machine is capable of. VNC, on the other hand - has to transmit a bit image of everything that changed from the remote system running the application to the local VNCviewer program that is drawing the bits on the screen. It is limited by the speed of transferring the change images over the net. Here XWin is much faster. In this case X-Win is sending less data by orders of magnitude. I used it to run GUI applets, mostly redhat config tools. Performing the same exact tasks, across the same internet connection, using the same exact machines, a Local RH 7.2 system and a remote K12ltsp server, VNC was incredibly slow and remote-X was almost snappy. I ran VNC on a 800x600 screen and ran remote X on a 1600x1200 screen. Even with that disparity the X sessions were much faster. > How do you propose that mozilla might > draw a picture on your remote screen without sending all the > bits of the image? So in the case of a "new" picture image Both X and VNC pay almost the same cost to transfer the image over the network connection because now "both" are limited by the net transfer speed. > Now imagine an X program where the graphics > change faster than they can be delivered to the remote (or > try viewing an animation over a dialup...). In this scenario IF the connection is not a low latency one, (Yeah, right whose internet are you on? :) ) VNC would have some advantage. > > VNC, on the other hand, has to send an entire frame buffer of raster > > data (hopefully optimized), resulting in transfers of thousands > > or tens of thousands of bytes where X sends only twenty or thirty bytes. > > VNC can send whatever changed on the screen as it makes its scan and > the program keeps going even if you just see choppy snapshots at > the slow remote. Yes, thank god, otherwise VNC would be even worse. It works fine over a LAN but any connection I've used it on over the internet was horrid. In my last situation, 27 hops, 140 "air miles", 3 major networks (ATT, Sprint and Southern Bell) latency was high. In fact I've noticed that almost every connection I make over the internet is very similar to this in terms of hops, no matter what the distance. Opposite coast or in same state same cost to access it. So no matter what I try to connect to its going to be bad for VNC. Maybe I need to get off comcast. :-) > X has to wait and if the remote can't display > as fast as the program is trying to generate the images it will > just never work. Hmm, I've haven't had this happen... so far.. > > Even with intelligently optimized 'skipping" of redraw data remote frame > > buffer systems like VNC have to send much more information over the > > network. > > It takes about so many bits to represent an image any way you slice it. > X can optimize internal things but if you are really displaying graphics > there's not much it can do but push the bits. Its starting to look to me like VNC might be faster when there is a low latency connection to a highly dynamic visual application. > > > If VNC is more efficient, then we should use it instead of an X server > > for the thin clients right ? Its certainly smaller than an X-Server. > > No, VNC is always going to have more latency because it is only > connected to the screen buffer and doesn't know which part the > program wants to change. Right. > > > (( Historical Note - VNC was invented by some folks at Olivetti in > > the UK (Later became part of AT&T). Its designed and intended use was > > to permit people using very small systems, incapable of running an > > "X-server", to access a machine running X-Windows. > > Actually in the lab where it was invented they used it routinely > on their desktops with a system that identified the users by their > lab badges and as they approached any client machine it would > automatically yank their running desktop session to them. Yes, that was cool. Now why can't we do that with the public machines in the airport? Of course it must have sucked for the the single guys who were always hanging out by the desk of the only one or two single females in the place. Imagine the what trends the traffic analysis could reveal.. :) -- Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Jul 14 20:32:34 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:32:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: ; from simpsond@leopards.k12.ar.us on Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 02:36:45PM -0500 References: <1089833516.5630.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040714163234.C15143@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 02:36:45PM -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > However, when you use VNC with linux, you can'e leave a session and return > to it later like you can with Windows. You get a new session exery time > with linux. Unless there is something you can tell me that will allow me > to get into the same session as one already running. . . > Use the "screen" command with ssh ssh screen There is a presentation at: http://frogcircus.org/screen/remote -- Linux and Open Source. The New Base. Now All your base belongs to you, for free. Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed Jul 14 21:51:40 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:51:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNCViewer and speed of refresh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F5AAEC.6020003@physics.isu.edu> Doug Simpson wrote: >I haven't tried an ftp between the two computers. >I'll have to set up ftp on one ot the other to try that. > >Doug > > > Or just try scp, since you likely are already running ssh on one server. for example scp file username at remotehost:file just replace filename, username, and remotehost name. If I don't aleady have a large file, I usually create one to test speeds. something like.. dd if=/dev/urandom of=file bs=1000 count=1000 This will make an ~1gb file of pseudo-random stuff. Oh, and if you make a file, remember to delete it from both sides. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 14 22:39:21 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:39:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c469f3$67c8d180$1803010a@paasda.org> I am also in your dilema David. And as busy as this summer has been thus far I've yet to put much thought behind what to do...and your poll has forced me to. So I'll be going with what is stable on August 1...because not being a guru, I will have a lot of work to do in order to deploy this and have it play nicely with my Novell server and all the printers and staff and student machines and macs... Wow...actually just got off the phone with the VP..and staff report back in Aug. 9th...and students Aug 23.. So...it is very likely that I will start with what is stable as of next week =) and I'm PRAYING feverently that your Samba/LDAP howto/walkthrough will get me through the hard-part =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:46 PM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha Hi all, I'm taking a poll to help me make up my mind. It's getting into the summer and I need to make up my mind as to whether to deploy 4.02 or wait a week or two and deploy whatever the latest 4.1 happens to be. What are others doing? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 14 23:15:54 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:15:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: <000801c469f3$67c8d180$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000801c469f3$67c8d180$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1089846954.12209.61.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 15:39, Huck wrote: > I am also in your dilema David. > > And as busy as this summer has been thus far I've yet to put much > thought behind what to do...and your poll has forced me to. > So I'll be going with what is stable on August 1...because not being a > guru, I will have a lot of work to do in order to deploy > this and have it play nicely with my Novell server and all the printers > and staff and student machines and macs... > > Wow...actually just got off the phone with the VP..and staff report back > in Aug. 9th...and students Aug 23.. > So...it is very likely that I will start with what is stable as of next > week =) > > and I'm PRAYING feverently that your Samba/LDAP howto/walkthrough will > get me through the hard-part =) > > --Huck The "unstable" part of K12LTSP 4.1 is the LTSP portion. As of later this afternoon (assuming the test I'm about to do pan out ;-), I'll have a build uploaded that is close to what the final build will be. Everything after that will be minor updates/bug fixes. I now have over a dozen K12LTSP 4.1 alpha-build servers in production, including all of my desktop at work, home, and my laptop. Riverdale HS has the 4.1 alpha-builds on thirty of their laptops. We've given it a pretty good workout, so far so good. I want to have a solid, "probably production-ready" K12LTSP 4.1 beta out by Friday. That will give me a week to fix any major problems that crop up. Then I'm on vacation for a week and won't have 'net access, which is *certain* to test how stable the beta is ;-). If no show-stopping bugs show up in the LTSP/K12LTSP betas, I'll then declare K12LTSP 4.1 the current stable release. -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Trask > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:46 PM > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha > > > Hi all, > > I'm taking a poll to help me make up my mind. It's getting into the > summer and I need to make up my mind as to whether to deploy 4.02 or > wait a week or two and deploy whatever the latest 4.1 happens to be. > What are others doing? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Flipping a coin I'd say FC2 would be a better choice for a new install because the updates will be available longer. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 14 23:39:38 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (David Huckaby) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:39:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: <1089846954.12209.61.camel@server.ltsp> References: <000801c469f3$67c8d180$1803010a@paasda.org> <1089846954.12209.61.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40F5C43A.2060505@paasda.org> This is refreshing news! --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 15:39, Huck wrote: > >>I am also in your dilema David. >> >>And as busy as this summer has been thus far I've yet to put much >>thought behind what to do...and your poll has forced me to. >>So I'll be going with what is stable on August 1...because not being a >>guru, I will have a lot of work to do in order to deploy >>this and have it play nicely with my Novell server and all the printers >>and staff and student machines and macs... >> >>Wow...actually just got off the phone with the VP..and staff report back >>in Aug. 9th...and students Aug 23.. >>So...it is very likely that I will start with what is stable as of next >>week =) >> >>and I'm PRAYING feverently that your Samba/LDAP howto/walkthrough will >>get me through the hard-part =) >> >>--Huck > > > The "unstable" part of K12LTSP 4.1 is the LTSP portion. As of later this > afternoon (assuming the test I'm about to do pan out ;-), I'll have a > build uploaded that is close to what the final build will be. Everything > after that will be minor updates/bug fixes. I now have over a dozen > K12LTSP 4.1 alpha-build servers in production, including all of my > desktop at work, home, and my laptop. Riverdale HS has the 4.1 > alpha-builds on thirty of their laptops. We've given it a pretty good > workout, so far so good. > > I want to have a solid, "probably production-ready" K12LTSP 4.1 beta out > by Friday. That will give me a week to fix any major problems that crop > up. Then I'm on vacation for a week and won't have 'net access, which is > *certain* to test how stable the beta is ;-). If no show-stopping bugs > show up in the LTSP/K12LTSP betas, I'll then declare K12LTSP 4.1 the > current stable release. > > > -Eric > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf Of David Trask >>Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:46 PM >>To: K12OSN at redhat.com >>Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha >> >> >>Hi all, >> >>I'm taking a poll to help me make up my mind. It's getting into the >>summer and I need to make up my mind as to whether to deploy 4.02 or >>wait a week or two and deploy whatever the latest 4.1 happens to be. >>What are others doing? >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brian at fahrlander.net Thu Jul 15 00:14:43 2004 From: brian at fahrlander.net (Brian Fahrlander) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:14:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Commercial use of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1089846950.8982.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000801c469f3$67c8d180$1803010a@paasda.org> <1089846950.8982.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1089850483.3931.9.camel@aquila.kamakiriad.local> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 18:15, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 17:39, Huck wrote: > > So I'll be going with what is stable on August 1... > > Has anyone tried FC2 on a dual-CPU machine that had problems > with fedora 1? I haven't had any problems with either other > than some quirks with the update repositories. Flipping > a coin I'd say FC2 would be a better choice for a new install > because the updates will be available longer. I've been listening to this conversation with intent; I'm considering taking the K12LTSP into the realm of a commercial service, and the release date and circumstances of the result will make a difference to me. I tried looking at the core product, LTSP, like I have before, but the last time I tried it couldn't find the website. (probably storm damage or something else, temporary) Is there a group doing this for commercial, not educational uses, just yet? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrl?nder Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://www.fahrlander.net ICQ 5119262 AIM: WheelDweller ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not exaclty elegant, > but it gets the job done ;-) > > >I also fixed a bug in the installer (it would crash if you tried > >to upgrade a server that did not have the ltsp packages installed) > >that needs to be tested before I upload the full ISOs. > > I'll try to test the ISOs tomorrow (today) in the afternoon/evening > and get those uploaded... I've uploaded the ISOs for testing. Note that this *does* *not* include the LTSP 4.1 beta that was just released. It is close, but not quite up to sync. As I noted in a post earlier today, I hope to be fully in sync with LTSP.org by tomorrow or Friday. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Jul 15 10:13:02 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:13:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Commercial use of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1089850483.3931.9.camel@aquila.kamakiriad.local> References: <000801c469f3$67c8d180$1803010a@paasda.org> <1089846950.8982.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1089850483.3931.9.camel@aquila.kamakiriad.local> Message-ID: <40F658AE.8000609@netscape.net> Hi, Yes, we have commercialised the K12ltsp project( www.xtlabs.org ) however our target market have been school boards & non-profits. good luck norbert brian at fahrlander.net wrote: >On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 18:15, Les Mikesell wrote: > > >>On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 17:39, Huck wrote: >> >> >>>So I'll be going with what is stable on August 1... >>> >>> >>Has anyone tried FC2 on a dual-CPU machine that had problems >>with fedora 1? I haven't had any problems with either other >>than some quirks with the update repositories. Flipping >>a coin I'd say FC2 would be a better choice for a new install >>because the updates will be available longer. >> >> > > I've been listening to this conversation with intent; I'm >considering taking the K12LTSP into the realm of a commercial service, >and the release date and circumstances of the result will make a >difference to me. > > I tried looking at the core product, LTSP, like I have before, but >the last time I tried it couldn't find the website. (probably storm >damage or something else, temporary) > > Is there a group doing this for commercial, not educational uses, >just yet? > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Thu Jul 15 12:46:49 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: <1089846954.12209.61.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > The "unstable" part of K12LTSP 4.1 is the LTSP portion. As of later this > afternoon (assuming the test I'm about to do pan out ;-), I'll have a > build uploaded that is close to what the final build will be. Everything > after that will be minor updates/bug fixes. I now have over a dozen > K12LTSP 4.1 alpha-build servers in production, including all of my > desktop at work, home, and my laptop. Riverdale HS has the 4.1 > alpha-builds on thirty of their laptops. We've given it a pretty good > workout, so far so good. > Do you have any of the laptops with built-in (mini pci) Intel Pro wireless? And if so is wireless actually working? julius From tbrown at michiana.org Thu Jul 15 13:49:06 2004 From: tbrown at michiana.org (Tom Brown) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:49:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Commercial use of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1089850483.3931.9.camel@aquila.kamakiriad.local> References: <1089846950.8982.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <000801c469f3$67c8d180$1803010a@paasda.org> <1089846950.8982.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040715080124.02a73f00@michiana.org> >-snip- > > Is there a group doing this for commercial, not educational uses, >just yet? LTSP ascended from a commercial project. http://www.ltsp.org/longstory.php Unique Systems Inc. has built a business around LTSP, custom software and services. http://www.uniqsys.com/ Tom From julius at turtle.com Thu Jul 15 14:12:04 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Commercial use of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040715080124.02a73f00@michiana.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Tom Brown wrote: > > Is there a group doing this for commercial, not educational uses, > >just yet? > > LTSP ascended from a commercial project. > > http://www.ltsp.org/longstory.php > > Unique Systems Inc. has built a business around LTSP, custom software and > services. > > http://www.uniqsys.com/ I don't know of a group per se, but I've been using K12ltsp in a commercial environment for well over a year, with great success. Strange thing is that the concerns and troubles I have are very much the same as those experienced by the admins in schools - juvenile users. The biggest difference is that kids are smarter and more willing to work with new / different stuff than the adults are. julius From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jul 15 14:23:09 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:23:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot ROM Image Message-ID: <40F6934D.5000308@honeygroveisd.net> Can anyone tell me what boot floppy image I should use for an Intel Pro/120(B) network adapter? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Common sense is not so common." -- Voltaire From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 15 14:56:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:56:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot ROM Image In-Reply-To: <40F6934D.5000308@honeygroveisd.net> References: <40F6934D.5000308@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1089903393.23748.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 09:23, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Can anyone tell me what boot floppy image I should use for an Intel > Pro/120(B) network adapter? I'd try the universal floppy from the thinstation project before making a custom one. Follow the link from: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/download.html --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Jul 15 15:14:55 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:14:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 Message-ID: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> I know this isn't specifically a K12LTSP related issue, but I figured someone could help me. I'm attempting to set up a mail server running FC2...Sendmail seems to be working fine, but both POP3 and IMAP refuse to accept connections outside of localhost. I've modified /etc/hosts.allow to allow ipop3d connects from the external IP for our router here (looks like: ipop3d: ***.***.***.*** : ALLOW) I've also edited the ipop3 and imap file in /etc/xinetd.d to include only_from = ***.***.***.*** So, what am I doing wrong, or what have I missed, perhaps I need to use domain names instead of IP's? I know I'm probably missing something right under my nose. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jul 15 15:20:19 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:20:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 In-Reply-To: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> Check the firewall settings for the FC2 box, in /etc/sysconfig/iptables. You need to have port 110 (POP3) and/or 995 (POP# over SSL) open. Petre Calvin Park wrote: > I know this isn't specifically a K12LTSP related issue, but I figured > someone could help me. I'm attempting to set up a mail server running > FC2...Sendmail seems to be working fine, but both POP3 and IMAP refuse > to accept connections outside of localhost. I've modified > /etc/hosts.allow to allow ipop3d connects from the external IP for our > router here (looks like: ipop3d: ***.***.***.*** : ALLOW) I've also > edited the ipop3 and imap file in /etc/xinetd.d to include > > only_from = ***.***.***.*** > > So, what am I doing wrong, or what have I missed, perhaps I need to use > domain names instead of IP's? I know I'm probably missing something > right under my nose. > From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Jul 15 15:43:44 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:43:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 In-Reply-To: <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1089906223.7637.4864.camel@penguin> Also, since you are looking for something that might be right under your nose, check hosts.deny. IIRC, that gets read first. JSR/ On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:20, Petre Scheie wrote: > Check the firewall settings for the FC2 box, in /etc/sysconfig/iptables. You > need to have port 110 (POP3) and/or 995 (POP# over SSL) open. > > Petre > > Calvin Park wrote: > > I know this isn't specifically a K12LTSP related issue, but I figured > > someone could help me. I'm attempting to set up a mail server running > > FC2...Sendmail seems to be working fine, but both POP3 and IMAP refuse > > to accept connections outside of localhost. I've modified > > /etc/hosts.allow to allow ipop3d connects from the external IP for our > > router here (looks like: ipop3d: ***.***.***.*** : ALLOW) I've also > > edited the ipop3 and imap file in /etc/xinetd.d to include > > > > only_from = ***.***.***.*** > > > > So, what am I doing wrong, or what have I missed, perhaps I need to use > > domain names instead of IP's? I know I'm probably missing something > > right under my nose. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 15:46:01 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking about Linux World Expo Message-ID: <20040715154601.96572.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone: Will K12LTSP be at Linux World Expo this Aug.? I'm flying up to S.F. for the day and want to hit a few important booths (well, the ones important to me and my organization) before i go around to the rest of them. Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From victor at hiplik.com.hk Thu Jul 15 15:46:21 2004 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor-Home) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:46:21 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> <1089906223.7637.4864.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <007801c46a82$e0dc8e60$6501a8c0@victor> You should also note that FC2 use cyrus-imap to provide the pop3 and imap services. The mailboxes configuration is totally different from ipop in FC1. Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josiah Ritchie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] POP3 > Also, since you are looking for something that might be right under your > nose, check hosts.deny. IIRC, that gets read first. > > JSR/ > > On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:20, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Check the firewall settings for the FC2 box, in /etc/sysconfig/iptables. You > > need to have port 110 (POP3) and/or 995 (POP# over SSL) open. > > > > Petre > > > > Calvin Park wrote: > > > I know this isn't specifically a K12LTSP related issue, but I figured > > > someone could help me. I'm attempting to set up a mail server running > > > FC2...Sendmail seems to be working fine, but both POP3 and IMAP refuse > > > to accept connections outside of localhost. I've modified > > > /etc/hosts.allow to allow ipop3d connects from the external IP for our > > > router here (looks like: ipop3d: ***.***.***.*** : ALLOW) I've also > > > edited the ipop3 and imap file in /etc/xinetd.d to include > > > > > > only_from = ***.***.***.*** > > > > > > So, what am I doing wrong, or what have I missed, perhaps I need to use > > > domain names instead of IP's? I know I'm probably missing something > > > right under my nose. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Thu Jul 15 15:53:48 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking about Linux World Expo In-Reply-To: <20040715154601.96572.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > Will K12LTSP be at Linux World Expo this Aug.? I'm > flying up to S.F. for the day and want to hit a few > important booths (well, the ones important to me and > my organization) before i go around to the rest of > them. LTSP.org will be there. I don't think anyone from k12ltsp.org will be around though. If you get the chance, stop by our booth. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From baci at harborcityschool.org Thu Jul 15 16:07:09 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:07:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP-SAMBA-Windows server config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00ac01c46a85$cb3bb920$c605000a@ebaci> Hey all, Been lurking for quite awhile. I'm wondering if anyone can provide some ideas (read config file) about how best to use LDAP, SAMBA in conjunction with windows server 2003 in a cross platform environment with roaming profiles. Has anyone done this?? Could you point me in the direction of some resources? Thanks kindly!! Chris Bacigalupo, +++++++++++++++++++++++ Technical Coordinator Harbor City International School 332 W. Mich. St. Ste. 300 Duluth, MN 55802 http://www.harborcityschool.org tel. (218) 722.7574 fax. (218) 625.6068 cel. (218) 428.1264 +++++++++++++++++++++++ From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Jul 15 16:10:31 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:10:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 In-Reply-To: <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1089907830.26926.10.camel@localhost> Thanks guys. It was the firewall. It seems to be working wonderfully now. :) Thanks again. -Calvin On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:20, Petre Scheie wrote: > Check the firewall settings for the FC2 box, in /etc/sysconfig/iptables. You > need to have port 110 (POP3) and/or 995 (POP# over SSL) open. > > Petre > > Calvin Park wrote: > > I know this isn't specifically a K12LTSP related issue, but I figured > > someone could help me. I'm attempting to set up a mail server running > > FC2...Sendmail seems to be working fine, but both POP3 and IMAP refuse > > to accept connections outside of localhost. I've modified > > /etc/hosts.allow to allow ipop3d connects from the external IP for our > > router here (looks like: ipop3d: ***.***.***.*** : ALLOW) I've also > > edited the ipop3 and imap file in /etc/xinetd.d to include > > > > only_from = ***.***.***.*** > > > > So, what am I doing wrong, or what have I missed, perhaps I need to use > > domain names instead of IP's? I know I'm probably missing something > > right under my nose. > > -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Jul 15 16:29:02 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:29:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 In-Reply-To: <1089907830.26926.10.camel@localhost> References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> <1089907830.26926.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1089908942.7637.4868.camel@penguin> :-) I remember the first time I got hit with that. Took me three days to figure it out. On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 12:10, Calvin Park wrote: > Thanks guys. It was the firewall. It seems to be working wonderfully > now. :) Thanks again. From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Jul 15 17:48:46 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:48:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] screen resolution question Message-ID: <18f2721918c7.1918c718f272@texas.rr.com> Greetings For those K12-US hope you are having a restful summer. I am in the process of installing a thin client lab that uses old HP3265. I am using a boot floppy, and everything works just fine, except for the login screen, where the login choice lettering is SO SMALL that it appears as illegible lines. The monitors are 15" RIC Model# 570 (60/50Hz), and try as I may I can't get them to produce more than 800x600 @75Hz, which sometimes is not the full screen (How do you scroll???) Has anybody contended with the unreadable login screen? Any help/hints would be greatly appreciated. Alan http://links.episd.org -=o=- From nbs at sonic.net Thu Jul 15 17:51:11 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:51:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking about Linux World Expo In-Reply-To: References: <20040715154601.96572.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040715175111.GD30684@sonic.net> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 11:53:48AM -0400, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > LTSP.org will be there. I don't think anyone from k12ltsp.org will be > around though. Semi-off-topic plug. Any folks who are still in the area the Saturday following LinuxWorld Expo, the 4th annual Linux Picnic & BBQ is taking place down in Sunnyvale. ;^) http://www.linuxpicnic.org/ [End Of Spam] -bill! From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Jul 15 19:12:36 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:12:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 In-Reply-To: <007801c46a82$e0dc8e60$6501a8c0@victor> References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> <1089906223.7637.4864.camel@penguin> <007801c46a82$e0dc8e60$6501a8c0@victor> Message-ID: <20040715191236.GA11736@perth.fpcc.net> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 11:46:21PM +0800, Victor-Home wrote: > You should also note that FC2 use cyrus-imap to provide the pop3 and imap > services. The mailboxes configuration is totally different from ipop in > FC1. Actually, FC2 gives you TWO choices for pop3 and imap services. In addition to cyrus-imap, there's also dovecot. Dovecot works almost out-of-the-box with two exceptions: 1) you need to edit /etc/dovecot.conf to enable the desired client email protocols 2) if you're using imap, you may need to use all imap folders "in" one level - from $HOME/mail to $HOME/mail/mail - then resubscribe to those folders The disadvantage to dovecot is that it uses standard mbox format, which is not quite as robust as cyrus-imap's database. The advantage to dovecot is that it uses the mbox format, so you can easily use mutt to look at your email without reconfiguring (assuming one _can_ reconfigure mutt to do so). Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 15 21:05:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:05:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 In-Reply-To: <20040715191236.GA11736@perth.fpcc.net> References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> <1089906223.7637.4864.camel@penguin> <007801c46a82$e0dc8e60$6501a8c0@victor> <20040715191236.GA11736@perth.fpcc.net> Message-ID: <1089925533.31384.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 14:12, Calvin Dodge wrote: > The disadvantage to dovecot is that it uses standard mbox format, which is not quite > as robust as cyrus-imap's database. The advantage to dovecot is that it uses the mbox > format, so you can easily use mutt to look at your email without reconfiguring (assuming > one _can_ reconfigure mutt to do so). Dovecot is able to use Maildir format (one message per file stored in a folder in your home directory) like qmail would use. Procmail also knows how to write in Maildir format, and sendmail should be configured to use procmail as the local delivery agent. You should be able to write a simple .procmailrc that pre-sorts your inbound email into imap folders that dovecot understands. At least I hope so. I have my own mail on an SME box doing something similar with qmail and their imap server but was planning to move it do fc2/dovecot soon. I'm not sure if mutt knows imap or not - you can use pine in character mode to access imap folders if necessary. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From garret at ruffdogs.com Thu Jul 15 21:17:49 2004 From: garret at ruffdogs.com (Garret Acott) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:17:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Commercial use of K12LTSP Message-ID: <20040715211749.ECB0A119E55@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> Ruffdogs does quite a bit with LTSP. Garret Ruffdogs 970-484-5390 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=ruffdogs&btnG=Search Original Message: ----------------------------------------------- >>>-snip- >>> >>> Is there a group doing this for commercial, not educational uses, >>>just yet? >> >>LTSP ascended from a commercial project. >> >>http://www.ltsp.org/longstory.php >> >>Unique Systems Inc. has built a business around LTSP, custom software and >>services. >> >>http://www.uniqsys.com/ >> >>Tom >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see ------------------------- This message was sent to you via DogFood < http://dogfood.ruffdogs.com/ > Feeding your business in a dog eat dog world. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jul 15 21:19:06 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] POP3 In-Reply-To: <1089925533.31384.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1089904495.26926.8.camel@localhost> <40F6A0B3.9090602@maltzen.net> <1089906223.7637.4864.camel@penguin> <007801c46a82$e0dc8e60$6501a8c0@victor> <20040715191236.GA11736@perth.fpcc.net> <1089925533.31384.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40F6F4CA.60501@inlandlakes.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > sure if mutt knows imap or not Quickie butt-in on my part, yes it does. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mross at esd165.org Thu Jul 15 22:17:32 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:17:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] big FC2/K12LTSP 4.1alpha changes In-Reply-To: <1089852758.12209.76.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1089852758.12209.76.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40F7027C.7080906@esd165.org> Inital testing is looking good: Pros: System is stable, runs well. Fedora Core 2's features are welcomed. Post-Install scripts installed Flash, Webmin, and Java successfuly. Cons: System would hang on boot when rhgb (Red Hat Graphical Boot) was enabled. Fixed by removing rhgb option. I expected the Gnome icons to come up with the BlueCurve icons, but the generic Gnome icons appeared instead. Related, the desktop icons on thin clients were generic items. Is there a bugzilla for LTSP? --Matt Eric Harrison wrote: >I've uploaded the ISOs for testing. > >Note that this *does* *not* include the LTSP 4.1 beta that was just released. >It is close, but not quite up to sync. As I noted in a post earlier today, >I hope to be fully in sync with LTSP.org by tomorrow or Friday. > >-Eric > > From jam at mcquil.com Thu Jul 15 22:21:04 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] big FC2/K12LTSP 4.1alpha changes In-Reply-To: <40F7027C.7080906@esd165.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Matthew Ross wrote: > Inital testing is looking good: > > Pros: > System is stable, runs well. > Fedora Core 2's features are welcomed. > Post-Install scripts installed Flash, Webmin, and Java successfuly. > > Cons: > System would hang on boot when rhgb (Red Hat Graphical Boot) was > enabled. Fixed by removing rhgb option. > I expected the Gnome icons to come up with the BlueCurve icons, but the > generic Gnome icons appeared instead. Related, the desktop icons on thin > clients were generic items. > > Is there a bugzilla for LTSP? Yes, there is for standard LTSP. I dunno about k12ltsp. Go to http://www.ltsp.org, on the left-hand side is a link for bugzilla. It's hosted on freedesktop.org, so make sure you select LTSP as the project, before adding the bug. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > --Matt > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > >I've uploaded the ISOs for testing. > > > >Note that this *does* *not* include the LTSP 4.1 beta that was just released. > >It is close, but not quite up to sync. As I noted in a post earlier today, > >I hope to be fully in sync with LTSP.org by tomorrow or Friday. > > > >-Eric > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us Thu Jul 15 22:39:11 2004 From: sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us (Sean Fichera) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:39:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pop3/ftp...everything other than web Message-ID: <000c01c46abc$8c45d840$f800a8c0@smf> While we are on the subject of Pop3. again it is not K12LTSP but there must be a linux guru out there that can help. I am having a bit of a problem with ftp, pop etc.. Here is the Setup We have a Squid Proxy 192.168.0.3 We have a Router with 3 Nic Cards 192.168.0.2 172.18.18.222 10.0.0.2 The clients on the 192.168.0.x work just fine when it comes to squid and pinging internal clients. The 172 and 10 networks work fine with squid. So our Routing is all good. The problem is I can get pop mail and I can FTP to sites on the net just fine on any client on the 192 network but I CAN NOT get the pop or ftp on the 172 and 10 networks. For reasons of compatibility with the mixed enviornment of network operating systems we are running the Router on SUSE 9.0 and the Squid Proxy is SUSE 9.1 (we just got the 9.1) All the Clients are Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP and we have a handfull of Mac's. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could help Sean Fichera Salem School District Media sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us www.salemschooldistrictnh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you can't change that you could set up iptables on the linux router to NAT the 172/10 nets as it forwards onto 192.168.0. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com > For reasons of compatibility with the mixed enviornment of network > operating systems we are running the Router on SUSE 9.0 and the Squid > Proxy is SUSE 9.1 (we just got the 9.1) All the Clients are Windows > 95, 98, 2000, XP and we have a handfull of Mac?s. > > > > It would be greatly appreciated if someone could help > > > > Sean Fichera > > Salem School District Media > > sfichera at salem.k12.nh.us > > www.salemschooldistrictnh.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Fri Jul 16 00:54:33 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:54:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP question Message-ID: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> Hi all, I don't believe this has been asked before... Please forgive me if the question is a little ignorant, I am somewhat new to Linux. I installed Fedora Core, and tried to install LTSP (not K12). I had a dickens of a time with it. Finally I started to really think about K12LTSP, and thought that in my case (public library) it might be the wiser way to go (bonus that it looks about a million times easier to configure. Installing wasn't the problem with LTSP). So I purchased the disks today. Here's my question: Is there anything special I need to do to install k12LTSP in light of the fact that I already have Fedora Core 1 and LTSP on there? Should I rm -rf /etc/ltsp before installing k12ltsp? Should I just boot up with the K12LTSP disks and just start anew (there's literally nothing on the server, so it wouldn't be a big deal if I had to)? thanks! 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URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 16 01:00:27 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (David Huckaby) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:00:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP question In-Reply-To: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <40F728AB.7030505@paasda.org> Start anew... =) Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't believe this has been asked before... Please forgive me if the > question is a little ignorant, I am somewhat new to Linux. > > I installed Fedora Core, and tried to install LTSP (not K12). I had a > dickens of a time with it. Finally I started to really think about > K12LTSP, and thought that in my case (public library) it might be the > wiser way to go (bonus that it looks about a million times easier to > configure. Installing wasn't the problem with LTSP). So I purchased the > disks today. > > Here's my question: Is there anything special I need to do to install > k12LTSP in light of the fact that I already have Fedora Core 1 and LTSP > on there? Should I rm -rf /etc/ltsp before installing k12ltsp? Should I > just boot up with the K12LTSP disks and just start anew (there's > literally nothing on the server, so it wouldn't be a big deal if I had to)? > > thanks! > Kristin > > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Fri Jul 16 00:59:22 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:59:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Music composition In-Reply-To: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> References: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 08:55:22PM -0400, norbert wrote: > Does anyone know of and have experience with OpenSource software for > creating, mixing & recording music ? > If it works with K12ltsp that would be even better... Not off-hand, but my LUG has had a couple of talks on the subject. Gah! But sadly, no presentation notes are available from either talk. :^( Rosegarden, JACK and LAD were tools most recently spoken about... -bill! From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Jul 16 01:14:18 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:14:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scrolling mice issues? In-Reply-To: <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> References: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> Message-ID: Had some folks really want their scrolling mice. So, in our attempt to prove to them we can do anything we need to with Linux, I found the conf file edit and the scrolling mouse worked fine. But, we have a couple freeze ups on those machines that I suspect the mouse. These are Micron Optical Scrolling mice. Anyone have issues or success with optical scrolling mice. We have old "ball style" in our computer lab and wanted to swap the entiire lab out, but don't want to do that unless we are confident about them. any thoughts thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Jul 16 01:20:56 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:20:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Music composition In-Reply-To: <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> References: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> Message-ID: <40F72D78.2010000@netscape.net> Hi, Thanks for the info, I'll look into both of these. Does anyone have experience with SuperCollier3 or OpenMusic ? norbert nbs at sonic.net wrote: >On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 08:55:22PM -0400, norbert wrote: > > >>Does anyone know of and have experience with OpenSource software for >>creating, mixing & recording music ? >>If it works with K12ltsp that would be even better... >> >> > >Not off-hand, but my LUG has had a couple of talks on the subject. > >Gah! But sadly, no presentation notes are available from either talk. :^( >Rosegarden, JACK and LAD were tools most recently spoken about... > >-bill! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Jul 16 01:25:04 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:25:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scrolling mice issues? In-Reply-To: References: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> Message-ID: <40F72E70.9010809@netscape.net> Hi Shane, At the risk of sounding "silly" have you tried running mouseconfig from a terminal session (ctl-alt F1) and selecting the model of mouse you're using ? You may have to restart your computer for the config to work but most of the time it works just fine. We don't use the micron models but rather the logitech ones & they work without any problems. norbert staffords at glenburn.net wrote: >Had some folks really want their scrolling mice. So, in our attempt to >prove to them we can do anything we need to with Linux, I found the conf >file edit and the scrolling mouse worked fine. >But, we have a couple freeze ups on those machines that I suspect the >mouse. These are Micron Optical Scrolling mice. Anyone have issues or >success with optical scrolling mice. We have old "ball style" in our >computer lab and wanted to swap the entiire lab out, but don't want to do >that unless we are confident about them. > >any thoughts > >thanks >Shane > > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Jul 16 01:42:01 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Scrolling mice issues? In-Reply-To: <40F72E70.9010809@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20040716014201.59855.qmail@web90107.mail.scd.yahoo.com> --- norbert wrote: > Hi Shane, > We don't use the micron models but rather the > logitech ones & they work > without any problems. We also use logitech Optical Mice ($19.99 Canadian so they are not horibly expensive). They work great and we use the usb to ps/2 adapter (usb is more trouble than its worth for a mouse). Tim From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jul 16 02:24:34 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:24:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP-SAMBA-Windows server config In-Reply-To: <00ac01c46a85$cb3bb920$c605000a@ebaci> References: <00ac01c46a85$cb3bb920$c605000a@ebaci> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Hey all, > >Been lurking for quite awhile. I'm wondering if anyone can provide some >ideas (read config file) about how best to use LDAP, SAMBA in >conjunction with windows server 2003 in a cross platform environment >with roaming profiles. Has anyone done this?? Could you point me in the >direction of some resources? Thanks kindly!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I do it....first why keep the 2003 server? You can serve roaming profiles from the Samba server just as easily...if not more so. I have a Samba/LDAP server which houses all my users and their home directories and profiles....this same server is the PDC as well. I've been doing roaming profiles for several years...we use Win XP Pro exclusively (except for the Linux terminals) and roamong profiles. Works seamless....users would have no idea it was a Linux server if I hadn't told them. A how-to is here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.html One addition to that how-to....I think I forgot to include the need to change the /etc/ldap.conf file..... (anytime around step 4) simply change the search base to your own dc=sample,dc=org Also another note.....I have lately been simply skipping the first part of my how-to and not running apt or CPAN....if you install "everything" in FC2 you'll get all you need....especially Net::LDAP. Hope this helps! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Jul 16 02:27:13 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:27:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Music composition In-Reply-To: <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> References: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> Message-ID: <40F73D01.9010200@snet.net> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 08:55:22PM -0400, norbert wrote: > >>Does anyone know of and have experience with OpenSource software for >>creating, mixing & recording music ? >>If it works with K12ltsp that would be even better... > Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From vceder at canterburyschool.org Fri Jul 16 03:16:13 2004 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:16:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Music composition In-Reply-To: <40F73D01.9010200@snet.net> References: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> <40F73D01.9010200@snet.net> Message-ID: <40F7487D.5090803@canterburyschool.org> You might look at the Turn-Key project: http://lulu.esm.rochester.edu/kevine/turnkey/home.html It installs a suite of music composing/editing tools. I haven't tried it, but have always intended to... >> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 08:55:22PM -0400, norbert wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know of and have experience with OpenSource software for >>> creating, mixing & recording music ? >>> If it works with K12ltsp that would be even better... -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From baci at harborcityschool.org Fri Jul 16 03:23:09 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:23:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP-SAMBA-Windows server config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004701c46ae4$3b39ada0$6400000a@ebaci> Thanks David! Will be trying to implement this asap >>baci -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:25 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LDAP-SAMBA-Windows server config "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Hey all, > >Been lurking for quite awhile. I'm wondering if anyone can provide some >ideas (read config file) about how best to use LDAP, SAMBA in >conjunction with windows server 2003 in a cross platform environment >with roaming profiles. Has anyone done this?? Could you point me in the >direction of some resources? Thanks kindly!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I do it....first why keep the 2003 server? You can serve roaming profiles from the Samba server just as easily...if not more so. I have a Samba/LDAP server which houses all my users and their home directories and profiles....this same server is the PDC as well. I've been doing roaming profiles for several years...we use Win XP Pro exclusively (except for the Linux terminals) and roamong profiles. Works seamless....users would have no idea it was a Linux server if I hadn't told them. A how-to is here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.html One addition to that how-to....I think I forgot to include the need to change the /etc/ldap.conf file..... (anytime around step 4) simply change the search base to your own dc=sample,dc=org Also another note.....I have lately been simply skipping the first part of my how-to and not running apt or CPAN....if you install "everything" in FC2 you'll get all you need....especially Net::LDAP. Hope this helps! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jul 16 03:39:43 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:39:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New revision of Samba-LDAP how-to doc Message-ID: Hi all, I have posted a new revision of my Samba-LDAP how-to doc based on some recent experiences loading (and reloading) my Samba/LDAP server. You can find it in various formats...here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.html http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-v2.pdf http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.doc Now....I will be on vacation the next two weeks....I have an assignment for all of you :-) I tried to merge the ACL and security stuff from Derek Dresser's how to located at http://network.gouldacademy.org/randomfiles/newSamba3LDAP.rtf or http://network.gouldacademy.org/randomfiles/newSamba3LDAP.pdf I was unable to get it to work...had trouble getting the "security" ldif stuff to "take". (didn't spend too much time on it either) If you can get it to work...please detail the steps (very detailed) and merge them into this document and give yourself credit....I'd like to add that part and also get it to work on my own system. Please....add feedback...make changes...etc. This document is also Open Source :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 16 04:22:50 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 Message-ID: I finished building LTSP 4.1 beta 1 packages that match Jim's bits. So here we go, the first K12LTSP 4.1 beta, featuring Fedora Core 2 and LTSP 4.1 beta 1. Standard dislaimers apply: this is a first-beta, don't use it in production. Be sure have good backups, just in case this thing eats your hard drive. I've done three installs and one upgrade via up2date. All went well, but that is not exactly strigent quality control ;-) Please report any and all bugs you find ASAP. I would like to have a final beta ready by July 22nd. For those that have a K12LTSP 4.1.0 alpha build installed, the new packages are available via apt/up2date/yum. ISOs are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . -Eric From raennnn at adelphia.net Fri Jul 16 05:20:34 2004 From: raennnn at adelphia.net (Roger Ellison) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:20:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Oo slow drop down menu display (sometimes) In-Reply-To: <1083610041.5258.101.camel@L143nb01> References: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> <1083610041.5258.101.camel@L143nb01> Message-ID: <1089955234.1306.57.camel@rae.home> I'm doing some volunteer work for a computer recycler in Vermont; and, we're putting together a small three node K12LTSP v4.01 setup as a demo, to show local schools how they can save money. The server is a Compaq Deskpro 733 Mhz Pentium III with 384 MB RAM and a 10G IDE HD hooked to a 10/100 switch. We've got a stack of Dell Optiplex machines ranging from 166Mhz Pentium, 266-350 Pentium II, and 533Mhz Pentium III's to choose from, with from 32MB to 64MB installed RAM, and 3Com 3c905-TX 10/100 Ethernet on each. There's not enough desk space where I'm at to hook up more than one client at a time. Every client boots handily to either an IceWM or Gnome desktop. Applications open reasonably quickly. But it wasn't until I tried clicking on one of the drop down menus in Oo Writer that I found out what really slooooow is. The problem afflicts the Pentiums which use the Trio32/64 onboard video. The Pentium II's and III's don't have the problem and they have Rage 3D video. Ifconfig eth0 shows an ethernet connection devoid of errors; and, RAM doesn't seem to matter. I've looked at other posts here and noticed Oo has some issues with slow menu display. We had hoped to use the slower Pentiums with the Trio video in the demo, for maximum effect; but, that won't do with the big slow down. Am I right in suspecting the video chipset? Or is there something I've overlooked? X_SERVER = "auto" is in lts.conf. I've tried xvesa, vesa, fbdev, and vga to no avail, but had to leave before trying s3. Setting the resolution down by X_MODE_0 = 640x480 didn't help either. Thanks Roger From adfour at mtaonline.net Fri Jul 16 05:52:28 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:52:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F76D1C.2050708@mtaonline.net> Honestly, I'm thinking of doing a debian ltsp---core2 did not really make my day. I switched from core1 to 2 to deb at home, etc.... btw, how do I change my email address on this list? David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm taking a poll to help me make up my mind. It's getting into the >summer and I need to make up my mind as to whether to deploy 4.02 or wait >a week or two and deploy whatever the latest 4.1 happens to be. What are >others doing? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Jul 16 07:47:48 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:47:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP question In-Reply-To: <04Jul16.025508cest.87134@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Jul16.025508cest.87134@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <4122.195.84.143.98.1089964068.squirrel@195.84.143.98> My suggestion should be to install from scatch since k12ltsp installs without a hitch. You will probably save some time on it to. Have fun! > Hi all, > > I don't believe this has been asked before... Please forgive me if the > question is a little ignorant, I am somewhat new to Linux. > > I installed Fedora Core, and tried to install LTSP (not K12). I had a > dickens of a time with it. Finally I started to really think about > K12LTSP, and thought that in my case (public library) it might be the > wiser way to go (bonus that it looks about a million times easier to > configure. Installing wasn't the problem with LTSP). So I purchased the > disks today. > > Here's my question: Is there anything special I need to do to install > k12LTSP in light of the fact that I already have Fedora Core 1 and LTSP on > there? Should I rm -rf /etc/ltsp before installing k12ltsp? Should I just > boot up with the K12LTSP disks and just start anew (there's literally > nothing on the server, so it wouldn't be a big deal if I had to)? > > thanks! > Kristin > > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Jul 16 07:49:22 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Scrolling mice issues? In-Reply-To: <04Jul16.031438cest.87072@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <40F7277A.7090104@netscape.net> <20040716005922.GA12394@sonic.net> <04Jul16.031438cest.87072@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <4418.195.84.143.98.1089964162.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Havent had any problems with scrolling mice at all. All of them have just worked flawlessly. Serial mice otoh... /cheers! > Had some folks really want their scrolling mice. So, in our attempt to > prove to them we can do anything we need to with Linux, I found the conf > file edit and the scrolling mouse worked fine. > But, we have a couple freeze ups on those machines that I suspect the > mouse. These are Micron Optical Scrolling mice. Anyone have issues or > success with optical scrolling mice. We have old "ball style" in our > computer lab and wanted to swap the entiire lab out, but don't want to do > that unless we are confident about them. > > any thoughts > > thanks > Shane > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Jul 16 07:53:47 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:53:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Oo slow drop down menu display (sometimes) In-Reply-To: <04Jul16.072144cest.87155@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> <1083610041.5258.101.camel@L143nb01> <04Jul16.072144cest.87155@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <1479.195.84.143.98.1089964427.squirrel@195.84.143.98> I have had problems with those pesky Trio cards to but alas, i havent found any good solution to the menus problem. I recall something about a bug in the cards doing this.If you can just switch the cards to something else. /cheers! > I'm doing some volunteer work for a computer recycler in Vermont; and, > we're putting together a small three node K12LTSP v4.01 setup as a demo, > to show local schools how they can save money. The server is a Compaq > Deskpro 733 Mhz Pentium III with 384 MB RAM and a 10G IDE HD hooked to a > 10/100 switch. We've got a stack of Dell Optiplex machines ranging from > 166Mhz Pentium, 266-350 Pentium II, and 533Mhz Pentium III's to choose > from, with from 32MB to 64MB installed RAM, and 3Com 3c905-TX 10/100 > Ethernet on each. > > There's not enough desk space where I'm at to hook up more than one > client at a time. Every client boots handily to either an IceWM or > Gnome desktop. Applications open reasonably quickly. But it wasn't > until I tried clicking on one of the drop down menus in Oo Writer that I > found out what really slooooow is. The problem afflicts the Pentiums > which use the Trio32/64 onboard video. The Pentium II's and III's don't > have the problem and they have Rage 3D video. Ifconfig eth0 shows an > ethernet connection devoid of errors; and, RAM doesn't seem to matter. > I've looked at other posts here and noticed Oo has some issues with slow > menu display. We had hoped to use the slower Pentiums with the Trio > video in the demo, for maximum effect; but, that won't do with the big > slow down. > > Am I right in suspecting the video chipset? Or is there something I've > overlooked? X_SERVER = "auto" is in lts.conf. I've tried xvesa, vesa, > fbdev, and vga to no avail, but had to leave before trying s3. Setting > the resolution down by X_MODE_0 = 640x480 didn't help either. > > Thanks > Roger > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jul 16 11:32:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:32:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CDRecord suddenly refuses to burn. In-Reply-To: <40F48DBE.8060704@snet.net> References: <40F48DBE.8060704@snet.net> Message-ID: <40F7BCDD.7000209@cmosnetworks.com> anthony baldwin wrote: > CDRecord suddenly refuses to burn. > I am using the same Staples CDs I was burning to only two weeks ago, > but, now, I get this output: > > [root at localhost CDFiles]# cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 > freeduc-cd-1.4.1.iso > Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 (i686-redhat-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 > Jrg Schilling > TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM > scsidev: '0,0,0' > scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 > Linux sg driver version: 3.1.25 > Using libscg version 'schily-0.7' > cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version > (schily - Red Hat-scsi-linux-sg.c-1.75-RH '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c 1.75 > 02/10/21 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling'). > SCSI buffer size: 64512 > atapi: 1 > Device type : Removable CD-ROM > Version : 0 > Response Format: 1 > Vendor_info : 'PHILIPS ' > Identifikation : 'PCRW804 ' > Revision : ' 2,1' > Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. > Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). > Driver flags : MMC SWABAUDIO > Supported modes: TAO PACKET RAW/R16 > Drive buf size : 1572864 = 1536 KB > FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB > Track 01: data 698 MB > Total size: 802 MB (79:28.66) = 357650 sectors > Lout start: 802 MB (79:30/50) = 357650 sectors > cdrecord: Input/output error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: no error > CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00 > status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) > Sense Bytes: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 13 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00 > Sense Key: 0x2 Not Ready, Segment 0 > Sense Code: 0x3A Qual 0x00 (medium not present) Fru 0x0 > Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) > cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s > cdrecord: No disk / Wrong disk! > > > What can it mean? Are you sure that the device itself is still functioning properly? Also, what does cdrecord -scanbus tell us? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Tired of spam? With Mozilla Thunderbird , you have the best spam protection around--who needs Yahoo? :-) From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 16 12:42:16 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:42:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: <40F76D1C.2050708@mtaonline.net> References: <40F76D1C.2050708@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <40F7CD28.4000703@maltzen.net> Andrew wrote: > btw, how do I change my email address on this list? > I think you may have to unsubscribe the your old address and subscribe with the new one. There should be a link to the page for doing this at the bottom of this message (the listserv automatically puts there). Petre From linuxsys at davisny.edu Fri Jul 16 13:06:40 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:06:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP question In-Reply-To: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <1089983200.26926.13.camel@localhost> As a few others have already mentioned. It would be much easier in the end to just start fresh. If you don't have anything on the server it will give you a clean install and save you some headaches. -Calvin On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 20:54, Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't believe this has been asked before... Please forgive me if the > question is a little ignorant, I am somewhat new to Linux. > > I installed Fedora Core, and tried to install LTSP (not K12). I had a > dickens of a time with it. Finally I started to really think about > K12LTSP, and thought that in my case (public library) it might be the > wiser way to go (bonus that it looks about a million times easier to > configure. Installing wasn't the problem with LTSP). So I purchased > the disks today. > > Here's my question: Is there anything special I need to do to install > k12LTSP in light of the fact that I already have Fedora Core 1 and > LTSP on there? Should I rm -rf /etc/ltsp before installing k12ltsp? > Should I just boot up with the K12LTSP disks and just start anew > (there's literally nothing on the server, so it wouldn't be a big deal > if I had to)? > > thanks! > Kristin > > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Jul 16 14:06:29 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:06:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. Message-ID: <40F7E0E5.9020102@netscape.net> Hi, I'd like to thank all those that provided so many links and thought on the music issue, now I'll never get any sleep.. :-D This may not be the right forum but I'll try anyway.. Does anyone know how to rack-mount PC-motherboards ? i.e. take the motherboard from a standard desktop computer and install it in a rack-mount cage. The intent is to build a cluster of computers within one "cage". Folks any suggestions or ideas are most welcomed. norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Jul 16 14:11:01 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:11:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP question In-Reply-To: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <40F7E1F5.3080909@msln.net> Kristin, If your new to linux, go for the stock install. I know there are newer packages out there (4.x.x), but my 2 cents is to stick with 3.1.2 until you get more comfortable. Just my thought. Mark Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't believe this has been asked before... Please forgive me if the > question is a little ignorant, I am somewhat new to Linux. > > I installed Fedora Core, and tried to install LTSP (not K12). I had a > dickens of a time with it. Finally I started to really think about > K12LTSP, and thought that in my case (public library) it might be the > wiser way to go (bonus that it looks about a million times easier to > configure. Installing wasn't the problem with LTSP). So I purchased > the disks today. > > Here's my question: Is there anything special I need to do to install > k12LTSP in light of the fact that I already have Fedora Core 1 and > LTSP on there? Should I rm -rf /etc/ltsp before installing k12ltsp? > Should I just boot up with the K12LTSP disks and just start anew > (there's literally nothing on the server, so it wouldn't be a big deal > if I had to)? > > thanks! > Kristin > > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at okgoodwill.org Fri Jul 16 14:34:08 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:34:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E28201B757@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> What I did for my linuxBIOS cluster was just to thread some bolts onto a long nut. IIRC it was four 2ft. bolts with 8 nuts per board, top and bottom. Then we just hung the bolts from the top of the cabinet and installed a UPS and a box fan... viola! Instant Ghetto Case! -dBarr the JimmyRigger. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of norbert Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:06 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. Hi, I'd like to thank all those that provided so many links and thought on the music issue, now I'll never get any sleep.. :-D This may not be the right forum but I'll try anyway.. Does anyone know how to rack-mount PC-motherboards ? i.e. take the motherboard from a standard desktop computer and install it in a rack-mount cage. The intent is to build a cluster of computers within one "cage". Folks any suggestions or ideas are most welcomed. norbert From jim at rossberry.com Fri Jul 16 14:33:53 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. In-Reply-To: <40F7E0E5.9020102@netscape.net> References: <40F7E0E5.9020102@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, norbert wrote: > This may not be the right forum but I'll try anyway.. Does anyone know > how to rack-mount PC-motherboards ? i.e. take the motherboard from a > standard desktop computer and install it in a rack-mount cage. > The intent is to build a cluster of computers within one "cage". You are probably looking for a kvm (keyboard, video, mouse) rack mount unit. They often have fold down video units. Here's a nice unit. http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?T1=202+5289 Here's a not so nice one. http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?T1=104+0710 If you have units that are capable of redirecting the bios output to their serial ports, a serial concentrator might be a cheaper way to go. Whole families of them here... http://lantronix.com/products/cs/slinx_slc/ they are resold through places like Computer Warehouse, etc. Might try ebay as well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and government." John Quincy Adamns From rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us Fri Jul 16 14:46:24 2004 From: rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us (Bob Robnett) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:46:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. In-Reply-To: <40F7E0E5.9020102@netscape.net> Message-ID: It sounds like you are trying to get multiple computers into a single rack or rack enclosure. I don't know if you can get multiple systems into a single case (aka blade server or what used to be called a consolidated server). To do it "right" you will need to procure some rack mount cases, then just move the guts. Be careful about the height of the cases, A 1- or 2-U case will require a riser if all of your IO is not integrated into the mohterboard. If rack mount cases are not an option, some careful engineering will probably allow you to hang or otherwise mount multiple standard cases, desktop or tower, into a standard rack. Once mounted a KVM switch is highly recommended. If you don't have a KVM switch you will spend a fair amount of time swapping keyboard and video cables to the specific server you are trying to access (mouse, too if you use GUI). Bob Robnett -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of norbert Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:06 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. Hi, I'd like to thank all those that provided so many links and thought on the music issue, now I'll never get any sleep.. :-D This may not be the right forum but I'll try anyway.. Does anyone know how to rack-mount PC-motherboards ? i.e. take the motherboard from a standard desktop computer and install it in a rack-mount cage. The intent is to build a cluster of computers within one "cage". Folks any suggestions or ideas are most welcomed. norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 16 15:21:03 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:21:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. In-Reply-To: <40F7E0E5.9020102@netscape.net> Message-ID: You could just take sheets of aluminum and make rack mounts for each board, drilling and tapping the sheet for the standoffs for the motherboards. However, remember you will have to have power supplies for each board. And you will have to leave sufficient room between boards for cards to stand up unless you use fully integrated motherboars (video, LAN, etc. . .) Then there's the thing of cooling air. the boards would have to be far enough apart for the cpu fans to get sufficient air. But then again if you use the integrated boards, some of those fit into the slimline cases so that shouldn;t be a problem. This is a good idea, but it will take a considerable amount of design and fab work to make it happen. But if you already have the motherboards and power supplies and etc, it could be done reasonable inexpensively. Doug On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to thank all those that provided so many links and thought on > the music issue, now I'll never get any sleep.. :-D > > This may not be the right forum but I'll try anyway.. Does anyone know > how to rack-mount PC-motherboards ? i.e. take the motherboard from a > standard desktop computer and install it in a rack-mount cage. > The intent is to build a cluster of computers within one "cage". > > Folks any suggestions or ideas are most welcomed. > > norbert > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jul 16 15:27:09 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:27:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing K12LTSP question In-Reply-To: <40F7E1F5.3080909@msln.net> References: <20040716005433.29397.qmail@hoster900.com> <40F7E1F5.3080909@msln.net> Message-ID: <40F7F3CD.6020702@cfl.rr.com> I've loaded K12LTSP 4.0.1 and had the easiest install experience ever, with desktop launchable scripts that install flash plugins, and other things that usually require tweaking. It's based on Fedora Core 1 and is VERY stable. Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Kristin, > If your new to linux, go for the stock install. I know there are newer > packages out there (4.x.x), but my 2 cents is to stick with 3.1.2 > until you get more comfortable. Just my thought. > Mark > > Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I don't believe this has been asked before... Please forgive me if >> the question is a little ignorant, I am somewhat new to Linux. >> >> I installed Fedora Core, and tried to install LTSP (not K12). I had a >> dickens of a time with it. Finally I started to really think about >> K12LTSP, and thought that in my case (public library) it might be the >> wiser way to go (bonus that it looks about a million times easier to >> configure. Installing wasn't the problem with LTSP). So I purchased >> the disks today. >> >> Here's my question: Is there anything special I need to do to install >> k12LTSP in light of the fact that I already have Fedora Core 1 and >> LTSP on there? Should I rm -rf /etc/ltsp before installing k12ltsp? >> Should I just boot up with the K12LTSP disks and just start anew >> (there's literally nothing on the server, so it wouldn't be a big >> deal if I had to)? >> >> thanks! >> Kristin >> >> >> ***************** >> Kristin Shoemaker >> Reference/Systems Librarian >> Malden Public Library >> 36 Salem Street >> Malden, MA 02148 >> 781-324-0218 >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >-- >Mark Gumprecht >Data Systems Specialist >MSAD#3 >Unity, Maine 04988 >Gumprechtm at msln.net > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Jul 16 15:28:27 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:28:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089991707.10836.47.camel@penguin> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:21, Doug Simpson wrote: > You could just take sheets of aluminum and make rack mounts for each > board, drilling and tapping the sheet for the standoffs for the > motherboards. > > However, remember you will have to have power supplies for each board. > > And you will have to leave sufficient room between boards for cards to > stand up unless you use fully integrated motherboars (video, LAN, etc. . > .) > > Then there's the thing of cooling air. the boards would have to be far > enough apart for the cpu fans to get sufficient air. > > But then again if you use the integrated boards, some of those fit into > the slimline cases so that shouldn;t be a problem. > > This is a good idea, but it will take a considerable amount of design and > fab work to make it happen. But if you already have the motherboards and > power supplies and etc, it could be done reasonable inexpensively. Doug briefly addresses cooling. I'm thinking, unless you mount the Mb's sideways, you will want to not use a cage that is enclosed and cools by sucking air up through it, but rather in the front and out the back or some such type. Sounds like a fun idea to mess with. JSR/ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Jul 16 16:51:47 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:51:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1089996706.12323.43.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 21:22, Eric Harrison wrote: > Please report any and all bugs you find ASAP. I would like to have > a final beta ready by July 22nd. On running the /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize script: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/sysctl-update.sh: line 10: /20000 : syntax error: operand expected (error token is "/20000 ") Looks like the sysctl-update shell script can't calculate the ideal number of file handles under the 2.6 kernel, as the output of /proc/meminfo has changed. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 16 17:57:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:57:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <1089996706.12323.43.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1089996706.12323.43.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1090000640.12209.85.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 09:51, Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 21:22, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Please report any and all bugs you find ASAP. I would like to have > > a final beta ready by July 22nd. > > On running the /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > script: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/sysctl-update.sh: line 10: /20000 : syntax > error: operand expected (error token is "/20000 ") > > Looks like the sysctl-update shell script can't calculate the ideal > number of file handles under the 2.6 kernel, as the output of > /proc/meminfo has changed. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District Fixed! The patched package is now in the apt/up2date/yum repositories. Thanks Dan! -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 16 18:21:50 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:21:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F81CBE.9020609@inlandlakes.org> Doug Simpson wrote: > How does FC1 work with dual processors? > which flavor of linux I put on it. Doug, I'm in the same boat. My dual-xeon servers should arrive next week -- and I'm torn as to what I should do. (I also have the 6GB of RAM issue on them too, but that's another story about kernel stability...) I also have a couple quad-xeon (only 500mhz each) that I am going to use for web/email/squid services in my DMZ. I'm really concerned about SMP abilities there. There's always a mixed bag of results from folks with the SMP kernels and FC1. Is FC2 void of that problem? Is the suggestion still to use K12LTSP 3.1.2 for multiprocessor machines? Sorry to dominate your thread with more questions Doug... :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Fri Jul 16 18:55:02 2004 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:55:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? Message-ID: <20040716185503.58D33402F@mail.law.uvic.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 16 19:13:48 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:13:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: <40F81CBE.9020609@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Now you really have me worried, though! My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . I really need so info here, guys! What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons working? DS On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > How does FC1 work with dual processors? > > > which flavor of linux I put on it. > > Doug, I'm in the same boat. My dual-xeon servers should arrive next > week -- and I'm torn as to what I should do. (I also have the 6GB of > RAM issue on them too, but that's another story about kernel stability...) > > I also have a couple quad-xeon (only 500mhz each) that I am going to use > for web/email/squid services in my DMZ. I'm really concerned about SMP > abilities there. > > There's always a mixed bag of results from folks with the SMP kernels > and FC1. Is FC2 void of that problem? Is the suggestion still to use > K12LTSP 3.1.2 for multiprocessor machines? > > Sorry to dominate your thread with more questions Doug... :) > -Shawn > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From julius at turtle.com Fri Jul 16 19:18:19 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? In-Reply-To: <20040716185503.58D33402F@mail.law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Rich McCue wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone knows the status of the K12LTSP on Redhat > Enterprise Linux 3? > > I've got it installed on a WhiteBoxLinux machine, but don't want to put > it into production if there won't be K12LTSP support for Redhat EL down > the road. The long term patch availability, and stability of RHEL and > Whitebox is what is particularly appealing to me. Rich, I have it running on my laptop, no problems. I'm thinking of moving the servers to WBEL. julius From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 16 19:21:06 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (David Huckaby) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:21:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F82AA2.90602@paasda.org> Ram issue? 32 bit processors can only access 4 gigs of ram... but I guess there is some 'bigmem kernel' that circumvents this somehow and the said kernel is somewhat unstable from reports on this list anyway... My dual xeon machine I ordered with just 4 gigs of RAM as I don't really have the time between now and Aug. 9 to debug issues...I need my server working pretty much outta the box with location specific configs... --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: > Now you really have me worried, though! > > My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . > > I really need so info here, guys! > > What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons > working? > > DS > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > >>Doug Simpson wrote: >> >>>How does FC1 work with dual processors? >> >>>which flavor of linux I put on it. >> >>Doug, I'm in the same boat. My dual-xeon servers should arrive next >>week -- and I'm torn as to what I should do. (I also have the 6GB of >>RAM issue on them too, but that's another story about kernel stability...) >> >>I also have a couple quad-xeon (only 500mhz each) that I am going to use >>for web/email/squid services in my DMZ. I'm really concerned about SMP >>abilities there. >> >>There's always a mixed bag of results from folks with the SMP kernels >>and FC1. Is FC2 void of that problem? Is the suggestion still to use >>K12LTSP 3.1.2 for multiprocessor machines? >> >>Sorry to dominate your thread with more questions Doug... :) >>-Shawn >> >> > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 16 19:18:27 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:18:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F82A03.9060703@inlandlakes.org> Doug Simpson wrote: > Now you really have me worried, though! > > My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . Yeah... I did the same thing, but 4 servers with 6GB each. Apparently, the bigmem kernel (required for 32 bit motherboards with over 4GB of RAM) causes some instability. NOW, I need an SMP-bigmem kernel that is stable. I'm not sure if such a thing exists. I've just been pretending it's all in my imagination, hoping the problem just goes away. I'll let you know how that turns out for me -- in the meantime, let me know if you find anything promising. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From julius at turtle.com Fri Jul 16 19:23:41 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > Now you really have me worried, though! > > My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . > > I really need so info here, guys! > > What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons > working? Doug, it seems that people have mixed results with large memory kernels on 32 bit systems. The problem is that the tricks used to move around pages to actually access memory over 4GB don't always play well with all mobos and processors. I had dismal results, others reported excellent results, ymmv. the new 64 bit xeons will be available shortly. it might be worth the wait, since all the extended memory issues are moot on them. julius From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 16 19:25:38 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:25:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] using floppy drive Message-ID: <20040716192538.VHIJ19826.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Thanks to everyone for the help; I have my server up and running and thanks to a universal boot floppy, I have a dozen thin clients working. Now, I composed a test document in openoffice, at the laptop-thin client at my desk. When I save it, it saves by default to my home directory. On my desktop there is a icon for floppy access. It seems simple; I can move documents from the home directory to the floppy and visa versa. But I get a message at the bottom of the screen that says it can't connect to the floppy drive. Can someone set the rookie straight? Thanks! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 16 19:39:08 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:39:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: <40F82AA2.90602@paasda.org> Message-ID: Will the ysem run ok using only the 4Gig limit even with the 12Gig on board? It is already ordered and there is 12Gig in it. . . DS On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, David Huckaby wrote: > Ram issue? > 32 bit processors can only access 4 gigs of ram... > but I guess there is some 'bigmem kernel' that circumvents this somehow > and the said kernel is somewhat unstable from reports on this list anyway... > > > My dual xeon machine I ordered with just 4 gigs of RAM as I don't really > have the time between now and Aug. 9 to debug issues...I need my server > working pretty much outta the box with location specific configs... > > --Huck > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Now you really have me worried, though! > > > > My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . > > > > I really need so info here, guys! > > > > What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons > > working? > > > > DS > > > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > > > >>Doug Simpson wrote: > >> > >>>How does FC1 work with dual processors? > >> > >>>which flavor of linux I put on it. > >> > >>Doug, I'm in the same boat. My dual-xeon servers should arrive next > >>week -- and I'm torn as to what I should do. (I also have the 6GB of > >>RAM issue on them too, but that's another story about kernel stability...) > >> > >>I also have a couple quad-xeon (only 500mhz each) that I am going to use > >>for web/email/squid services in my DMZ. I'm really concerned about SMP > >>abilities there. > >> > >>There's always a mixed bag of results from folks with the SMP kernels > >>and FC1. Is FC2 void of that problem? Is the suggestion still to use > >>K12LTSP 3.1.2 for multiprocessor machines? > >> > >>Sorry to dominate your thread with more questions Doug... :) > >>-Shawn > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jul 16 19:40:18 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:40:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, my server is already on the way. . . so I gotta make it work, now. . . DS On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Now you really have me worried, though! > > > > My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . > > > > I really need so info here, guys! > > > > What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons > > working? > > Doug, > it seems that people have mixed results with large memory kernels > on 32 bit systems. The problem is that the tricks used to move around > pages to actually access memory over 4GB don't always play well with all > mobos and processors. I had dismal results, others reported excellent > results, ymmv. the new 64 bit xeons will be available shortly. it might be > worth the wait, since all the extended memory issues are moot on them. > julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 16 19:39:10 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:39:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: <40F82AA2.90602@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20040716193910.GA29627@frodo.inland.k12.mi.us> On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 02:39:08PM -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Will the ysem run ok using only the 4Gig limit even with the 12Gig on I plan to take out some RAM sticks too. One of my servers is a Windows Terminal server -- and it WON'T handle anything above 4Gig at all. Same thing with me, they were already ordered. Oh well, live and learn. I just hope the SMP issue is OK. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 16 20:12:04 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (David Huckaby) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:12:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F83694.7000601@paasda.org> Installing from iso disc 1... Machine reboots to main menu no matter which option is selected... for graphical linux mediacheck linux text linux rescue Is bad download or media likely the cause? --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > I finished building LTSP 4.1 beta 1 packages that match Jim's bits. > So here we go, the first K12LTSP 4.1 beta, featuring Fedora Core 2 > and LTSP 4.1 beta 1. > > Standard dislaimers apply: this is a first-beta, don't use it in > production. Be sure have good backups, just in case this thing eats > your hard drive. > > I've done three installs and one upgrade via up2date. All went well, > but that is not exactly strigent quality control ;-) > > Please report any and all bugs you find ASAP. I would like to have > a final beta ready by July 22nd. > > For those that have a K12LTSP 4.1.0 alpha build installed, the > new packages are available via apt/up2date/yum. > > ISOs are available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 16 20:11:57 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:11:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090008717.12209.90.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 12:13, Doug Simpson wrote: > Now you really have me worried, though! > > My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . > > I really need so info here, guys! > > What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons > working? > > DS I have six dual-Xeon database servers with >4G of ram. No problems. -Eric > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > How does FC1 work with dual processors? > > > > > which flavor of linux I put on it. > > > > Doug, I'm in the same boat. My dual-xeon servers should arrive next > > week -- and I'm torn as to what I should do. (I also have the 6GB of > > RAM issue on them too, but that's another story about kernel stability...) > > > > I also have a couple quad-xeon (only 500mhz each) that I am going to use > > for web/email/squid services in my DMZ. I'm really concerned about SMP > > abilities there. > > > > There's always a mixed bag of results from folks with the SMP kernels > > and FC1. Is FC2 void of that problem? Is the suggestion still to use > > K12LTSP 3.1.2 for multiprocessor machines? > > > > Sorry to dominate your thread with more questions Doug... :) > > -Shawn > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I'm curious if you have seen the problems that other folks have mentioned, or if you just have the right mix of hardware to be bulletproof) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 16 20:15:57 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:15:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090008957.12209.95.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:09, Doug Simpson wrote: > How does FC1 work with dual processors? Works great for me. I have +20 dual-proc boxes running FC1. > I have been seeing posts about dual processors having problems. I am > getting ready to install a new server here and it will be dual Xeons and I > need to know if I am going to have processor problems before I decide > which flavor of linux I put on it. On a couple of my servers, I could replicate the problem that some folks were having trouble with. With the latest kernel updates, I cannot replicate the problem. But I still see some reports of people having troubles. 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The long term patch availability, and stability of > RHEL and Whitebox is what is particularly appealing to me. I'll be moving RHEL support from "testing" to "production" sometime in the next couple of weeks: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/images/ The status is that the RHEL support will be much slower to change than the FC support, which is the whole point ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can use this to make sure that the downloads are correct: md5sum -C MD5SUMS If the md5sums are ok, try burning another disc1. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Jul 16 21:39:58 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:39:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. In-Reply-To: <1089991707.10836.47.camel@penguin> References: <1089991707.10836.47.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <40F84B2E.4070005@netscape.net> I'd like to thank all those who responded with their great ideas.. :-) In order to promote K12ltsp in schools we want to "build" .. with the participation of select students, a 75 node P-I cluster and have it run n-number of thin clients in the school that succeeds in getting it to work. The winner will get the cluster & thin clients FREE to use in their school or organisation. With this "stunt" we hope to raise the visibility of Linux & K12 in our area, once done we'll invite press and school boards to see what Open Source Systems can do !!! So please keep the ideas and suggestions coming. thanks norbert NB Just in case anyone has any doubts ..... YES we are nuts !!! :-D ....... but determined.... jritchie at bible.edu wrote: >On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:21, Doug Simpson wrote: > > >>You could just take sheets of aluminum and make rack mounts for each >>board, drilling and tapping the sheet for the standoffs for the >>motherboards. >> >>However, remember you will have to have power supplies for each board. >> >>And you will have to leave sufficient room between boards for cards to >>stand up unless you use fully integrated motherboars (video, LAN, etc. . >>.) >> >>Then there's the thing of cooling air. the boards would have to be far >>enough apart for the cpu fans to get sufficient air. >> >>But then again if you use the integrated boards, some of those fit into >>the slimline cases so that shouldn;t be a problem. >> >>This is a good idea, but it will take a considerable amount of design and >>fab work to make it happen. But if you already have the motherboards and >>power supplies and etc, it could be done reasonable inexpensively. >> >> > >Doug briefly addresses cooling. I'm thinking, unless you mount the Mb's >sideways, you will want to not use a cage that is enclosed and cools by >sucking air up through it, but rather in the front and out the back or >some such type. > >Sounds like a fun idea to mess with. > >JSR/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 16 22:27:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:27:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: <40F82A03.9060703@inlandlakes.org> References: <40F82A03.9060703@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1090016820.13704.256.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 14:18, Shawn Powers wrote: > Yeah... I did the same thing, but 4 servers with 6GB each. Apparently, > the bigmem kernel (required for 32 bit motherboards with over 4GB of > RAM) causes some instability. Hmmm: # uname -a Linux web11.futuresource.com 2.4.20-9bigmem #1 SMP Wed Apr 2 13:15:31 EST 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux # uptime 17:21:44 up 430 days, 4:58, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.78, 0.67 Another one running 2.4.20-19.9bigmem is at 325 days. I haven't seen any problems with bigmem kernels. That's the oldest dual-xeon I've got and it's still running RH9. Several newer ones are doing as well with FC1 - haven't put FC2 on anything with more than 4 gigs yet. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jul 16 22:46:06 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:46:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: <1090016820.13704.256.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <40F82A03.9060703@inlandlakes.org> <1090016820.13704.256.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40F85AAE.7040905@inlandlakes.org> And the dead horse cries as I beat it... Les, Are your servers (new and old) Tier 1 boxes? (ie, Dell, HP, IBM, etc) If so, or if not, what are they? To those with ongoing problems with bigmen and/or SMP kernels -- same question. Thanks again, -Shawn Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 14:18, Shawn Powers wrote: > > >>Yeah... I did the same thing, but 4 servers with 6GB each. Apparently, >>the bigmem kernel (required for 32 bit motherboards with over 4GB of >>RAM) causes some instability. > > > Hmmm: > # uname -a > Linux web11.futuresource.com 2.4.20-9bigmem #1 SMP Wed Apr 2 13:15:31 > EST 2003 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > # uptime > 17:21:44 up 430 days, 4:58, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.78, 0.67 > > Another one running 2.4.20-19.9bigmem is at 325 days. > > I haven't seen any problems with bigmem kernels. That's the oldest > dual-xeon I've got and it's still running RH9. Several newer ones > are doing as well with FC1 - haven't put FC2 on anything with more > than 4 gigs yet. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Sat Jul 17 00:14:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:14:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: <40F85AAE.7040905@inlandlakes.org> References: <40F82A03.9060703@inlandlakes.org> <1090016820.13704.256.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40F85AAE.7040905@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1090023240.26061.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 17:46, Shawn Powers wrote: > Les, > > Are your servers (new and old) Tier 1 boxes? (ie, Dell, HP, IBM, etc) > If so, or if not, what are they? I can't afford IBM or Dell... http://www.penguincomputing.com/products/servers/relion140.php They come with (and require) a patched scsi driver for RH9 but fedora installs as-is. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 17 00:23:55 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:23:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40F8719B.9090603@cmosnetworks.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >Doug, > it seems that people have mixed results with large memory kernels >on 32 bit systems. The problem is that the tricks used to move around >pages to actually access memory over 4GB don't always play well with all >mobos and processors. I had dismal results, others reported excellent >results, ymmv. the new 64 bit xeons will be available shortly. it might be >worth the wait, since all the extended memory issues are moot on them. >julius > > Fortunately, you don't have to wait. There are quite a few companies that sell and support two-way and four-way boxes with the 64-bit AMD Opteron. Penguin Computing is among them, as is MicroWay. --TP From info at proex-india.com Sat Jul 17 07:55:06 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:25:06 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] COBOL on Linux Message-ID: Hello , Would like to know different Flavours of COBOL on Linux. I have tried Tinycobol complier but need to rewrite most of the code which is of MFCOBOL. I am ready to invest in COBOL for Linux but MFCOBOL cost is very high. Any alternative to MFCOBOL ??? Waiting for response. Regards K.Dinesh Regards PRO-EX Solutions Pvt.Ltd. 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Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** From thepiano at pandora.be Sat Jul 17 09:17:53 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:17:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ED1658C-D7D2-11D8-9BFE-003065521B98@pandora.be> Eric, Can't get access to the beta images, asks me for a user/pass Kevin On 16 Jul 2004, at 06:22, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I finished building LTSP 4.1 beta 1 packages that match Jim's bits. > So here we go, the first K12LTSP 4.1 beta, featuring Fedora Core 2 > and LTSP 4.1 beta 1. > > Standard dislaimers apply: this is a first-beta, don't use it in > production. Be sure have good backups, just in case this thing eats > your hard drive. > > I've done three installs and one upgrade via up2date. All went well, > but that is not exactly strigent quality control ;-) > > Please report any and all bugs you find ASAP. I would like to have > a final beta ready by July 22nd. > > For those that have a K12LTSP 4.1.0 alpha build installed, the > new packages are available via apt/up2date/yum. > > ISOs are available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sat Jul 17 13:51:58 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:51:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040717095158.100481b5.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Eric Harrison wrote: > > I finished building LTSP 4.1 beta 1 packages that match Jim's bits. > So here we go, the first K12LTSP 4.1 beta, featuring Fedora Core 2 > and LTSP 4.1 beta 1. > > Eric, Have you considered including Firefox in this release, possibly as an alternate install option to mozilla? I had a look at the RPMs in the testing directory and didn't see it there. I moved to firefox because mozilla had an insatiable appetite for memory and would eat up eat all my swap after a number of days. Thanks again to you and Jim for all your work and dedication. Jesse From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 17 13:56:35 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 06:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <2ED1658C-D7D2-11D8-9BFE-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >Eric, > >Can't get access to the beta images, asks me for a user/pass It is standard anonymous ftp. If your ftp client does not automagically log you in, use: username: ftp password: ftp -Eric >On 16 Jul 2004, at 06:22, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> I finished building LTSP 4.1 beta 1 packages that match Jim's bits. >> So here we go, the first K12LTSP 4.1 beta, featuring Fedora Core 2 >> and LTSP 4.1 beta 1. >> >> Standard dislaimers apply: this is a first-beta, don't use it in >> production. Be sure have good backups, just in case this thing eats >> your hard drive. >> >> I've done three installs and one upgrade via up2date. All went well, >> but that is not exactly strigent quality control ;-) >> >> Please report any and all bugs you find ASAP. I would like to have >> a final beta ready by July 22nd. >> >> For those that have a K12LTSP 4.1.0 alpha build installed, the >> new packages are available via apt/up2date/yum. >> >> ISOs are available at: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . >> >> -Eric >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >Kevin Verheyen >IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 17 14:01:46 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <20040717095158.100481b5.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Jesse McDonnell wrote: >Eric, > >Have you considered including Firefox in this release, possibly as an >alternate install option to mozilla? I had a look at the RPMs in the >testing directory and didn't see it there. I have considered adding firefox and have decided that it is likely to be a support headache for me. There are a large number of issues with packaging firefox, there is a huge thread on the fedora-devel list. I'll let them figure it out ;-) I did add firefox to the apt/up2date/yum repository. If you want it, all you need to do is run: up2date -i firefox -Eric From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sat Jul 17 14:32:44 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:32:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: References: <20040717095158.100481b5.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040717103244.501d3f5e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > >Eric, > > > >Have you considered including Firefox in this release, possibly as an > >alternate install option to mozilla? I had a look at the RPMs in the > >testing directory and didn't see it there. > > I have considered adding firefox and have decided that it is likely > to be a support headache for me. There are a large number of issues > with packaging firefox, there is a huge thread on the fedora-devel > list. I'll let them figure it out ;-) > Makes sense - it's not a show stopper. I wasn't aware of the packaging problems. > I did add firefox to the apt/up2date/yum repository. If you want it, > all you need to do is run: up2date -i firefox > Is this recent? I used to check regularly and eventually used the firefox installer at the mozilla site. It found my mozilla bookmarks okay but not the flash or java plugins. I reinstalled flash but haven't yet had a great enough need to reinstall java and risk breaking something in doing so. Will the version in the repository find the original flash and java plugins or is that one of the packaging issues? Thanks. Jesse From dsbaker at charter.net Sat Jul 17 15:53:14 2004 From: dsbaker at charter.net (Dave Baker) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:53:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? Message-ID: <40F94B6A.9020907@charter.net> This does sound interesting. Which Red Hat Enterprise Linux solution is this build around (RHEL-AS, RHEL-ES, or RHEL-WS)? Also how does pricing work with terminal servers? Thanks much, Dave Baker Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? From: Eric Harrison Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:24:01 -0700 To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:55, Rich McCue wrote: >> I was just wondering if anyone knows the status of the K12LTSP on >> Redhat Enterprise Linux 3? >> >> I've got it installed on a WhiteBoxLinux machine, but don't want to >> put it into production if there won't be K12LTSP support for Redhat EL >> down the road. The long term patch availability, and stability of >> RHEL and Whitebox is what is particularly appealing to me. > > I'll be moving RHEL support from "testing" to "production" sometime in the next couple of weeks: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/images/ The status is that the RHEL support will be much slower to change than the FC support, which is the whole point ;-) -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 17 17:53:06 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:53:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? In-Reply-To: <40F94B6A.9020907@charter.net> References: <40F94B6A.9020907@charter.net> Message-ID: <40F96782.5010105@cmosnetworks.com> Pricing is the same, since you're just putting this on top of "stock" RHEL. I would recommend RHEL-AS, because schools get it for $50/copy, complete w/ a year of up2date. --TP Dave Baker wrote: > This does sound interesting. Which Red Hat Enterprise Linux solution > is this build around (RHEL-AS, RHEL-ES, or RHEL-WS)? Also how does > pricing work with terminal servers? > > Thanks much, > > Dave Baker > > > > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? > From: > Eric Harrison > Date: > Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:24:01 -0700 > > To: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:55, Rich McCue wrote: > >>> I was just wondering if anyone knows the status of the K12LTSP on >>> Redhat Enterprise Linux 3? >>> I've got it installed on a WhiteBoxLinux machine, but don't want to >>> put it into production if there won't be K12LTSP support for Redhat EL >>> down the road. The long term patch availability, and stability of >>> RHEL and Whitebox is what is particularly appealing to me. >> >> >> > > I'll be moving RHEL support from "testing" to "production" sometime > in the next couple of weeks: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/images/ > > The status is that the RHEL support will be much slower to change than > the FC support, which is the whole point ;-) > -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jul 17 20:24:49 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:24:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 Message-ID: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> i know i had to revert to redhat 9 kernel to support smp on my fc1 box..chuck > Now you really have me worried, though! > > My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . > > I really need so info here, guys! > > What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons > working? > > DS > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > How does FC1 work with dual processors? > > > > > which flavor of linux I put on it. > > > > Doug, I'm in the same boat. My dual-xeon servers should arrive next > > week -- and I'm torn as to what I should do. (I also have the 6GB of > > RAM issue on them too, but that's another story about kernel stability...) > > > > I also have a couple quad-xeon (only 500mhz each) that I am going to use > > for web/email/squid services in my DMZ. I'm really concerned about SMP > > abilities there. > > > > There's always a mixed bag of results from folks with the SMP kernels > > and FC1. Is FC2 void of that problem? Is the suggestion still to use > > K12LTSP 3.1.2 for multiprocessor machines? > > > > Sorry to dominate your thread with more questions Doug... :) > > -Shawn > > > > > > -- > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jul 17 23:38:46 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:38:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> Message-ID: <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com> Someone named Mella on the list had to compile her own kernel, I believe from Linus's official source (http://www.kernel.org/), but she said that after that, things were simply peachy. --TP cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >i know i had to revert to redhat 9 kernel to support smp on my fc1 box..chuck > > >>Now you really have me worried, though! >> >>My new server is coming with 12GB RAM. . . >> >>I really need so info here, guys! >> >>What is the RAM issue and what is the possibility of the Dual Xeons >>working? >> >>DS >> >>On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: >> >> >> >>>Doug Simpson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>How does FC1 work with dual processors? >>>> >>>> >>>>which flavor of linux I put on it. >>>> >>>> >>>Doug, I'm in the same boat. My dual-xeon servers should arrive next >>>week -- and I'm torn as to what I should do. (I also have the 6GB of >>>RAM issue on them too, but that's another story about kernel stability...) >>> >>>I also have a couple quad-xeon (only 500mhz each) that I am going to use >>>for web/email/squid services in my DMZ. I'm really concerned about SMP >>>abilities there. >>> >>>There's always a mixed bag of results from folks with the SMP kernels >>>and FC1. Is FC2 void of that problem? Is the suggestion still to use >>>K12LTSP 3.1.2 for multiprocessor machines? >>> >>>Sorry to dominate your thread with more questions Doug... :) >>>-Shawn >>> >>> >>> >>> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 18 05:20:39 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug Message-ID: After more pounding on the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, I found another small bug: USB mice do not automagically work like they did in K12LTSP 4.0.0. I missed one of the patches I apply (and keep sending to Jim ;-) that configure X to support both PS/2 & USB mice from the same config. If you have K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 installed & are using USB mice, the corrected file is attached. Save this as: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg then make it executable: chmod a+x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg and then all will be well. I'll build new LTSP packages & resend the patch off to Jim... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- # build_x4_cfg # # This script will generate the XF86Config-4 file for a diskless workstation, as # part of the Linux Terminal Server Project (http://www.LTSP.org) # X4_DRIVER=$1 . /etc/ltsp_functions ################################################################################ # # Get the IP address of the default server. This is used for XDM_SERVER, # TELNET_HOST and SYSLOG_HOST if any of them are not set explicitly. # Default to '192.168.0.254' if it is NOT set in the config file. # DEFAULT_SERVER=${SERVER:-"192.168.0.254"} ################################################################################ # # Build the XF86Config file # echo "Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file" >/dev/tty X_MOUSE_BAUD=${X_MOUSE_BAUD:-"1200"} X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN=${X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN:-"N"} if [ "${X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN}" = "Y" ]; then EMULATE_3_BUTTONS="on" fi #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Setup server layout # cat <<-EOF Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "XFree86 Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Mouse1" "AlwaysCore" EOF #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # See if touchscreen is set up # USE_TOUCH=${USE_TOUCH:-"N"} if [ "${USE_TOUCH}" = "Y" ]; then cat <<-EOF InputDevice "Elographics" "CorePointer" EOF fi echo EndSection #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Setup the FontPath info # USE_XFS=${USE_XFS:-"N"} if [ "${USE_XFS}" = "Y" ]; then XFS_SERVER=${XFS_SERVER:-${DEFAULT_SERVER}} cat <<-EOF Section "Files" FontPath "tcp/${XFS_SERVER}:7100" EndSection EOF else cat <<-EOF Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection EOF fi #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Setup module info # cat <<-EOF Section "Module" Load "extmod" EOF # # Load any optional modules for the X server # for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do MODVAR=X4_MODULE_${i} MODULE=${!MODVAR} if [ "${MODULE}" ]; then echo " Load \"${MODULE}\" " fi done # # If the xfs is not being used the following two modules are required # if [ "${USE_XFS}" = "N" ]; then echo " Load \"freetype\"" echo " Load \"type1\"" fi echo "EndSection" #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Setup Keyboard and Mouse info # cat <<-EOF Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" Option "XkbLayout" "${XKBLAYOUT:-"us"}" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "${X_MOUSE_DEVICE:-"/dev/psaux"}" Option "Protocol" "${X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL:-"PS/2"}" Option "BaudRate" "${X_MOUSE_BAUD}" Option "Resolution" "${X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION}" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "${EMULATE_3_BUTTONS:-"off"}" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Buttons" "${X_MOUSE_BUTTONS:-"3"}" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "${X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE:-"/dev/input/mice"}" Option "Protocol" "${X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL:-"PS/2"}" Option "BaudRate" "${X_USBMOUSE_BAUD}" Option "Resolution" "${X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION}" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "${USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS:-"off"}" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Buttons" "${X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS:-"3"}" EndSection EOF #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Setup the Touch Screen operating parameters # if [ "${USE_TOUCH}" = "Y" ]; then cat <<-EOF Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Elographics" Driver "elographics" Option "Device" "${X_TOUCH_DEVICE:-/dev/ttyS0}" Option "DeviceName" "Elo" Option "MinimumXPosition" "${X_TOUCH_MINX:-433}" Option "MaximumXPosition" "${X_TOUCH_MAXX:-3588}" Option "MinimumYPosition" "${X_TOUCH_MINY:-569}" Option "MaximumYPosition" "${X_TOUCH_MAXY:-3526}" Option "UntouchDelay" "${X_TOUCH_UNDELAY:-10}" Option "ReportDelay" " ${X_TOUCH_RPTDELAY:-10}" Option "AlwaysCore" EndSection EOF fi #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Setup the Monitor info # X_HORZSYNC=${X_HORZSYNC:-"31-62"} X_VERTREFRESH=${X_VERTREFRESH:-"55-90"} if [ -z "${X4_BUSID}" ]; then BUSID="" else BUSID="BusID \"${X4_BUSID}\"" fi if [ -z "${X_VIDEORAM}" ]; then XVIDRAM="" else XVIDRAM="VideoRam ${X_VIDEORAM}" fi # # Extract Modelines and Video modes from the custom modes. # MODE[0]=`echo ${X_MODE_0} | cut -f1 -d" "` LINE[0]="`echo ${X_MODE_0} | cut -f2- -d" " -s`" MODE[1]=`echo ${X_MODE_1} | cut -f1 -d" "` LINE[1]="`echo ${X_MODE_1} | cut -f2- -d" " -s`" MODE[2]=`echo ${X_MODE_2} | cut -f1 -d" "` LINE[2]="`echo ${X_MODE_2} | cut -f2- -d" " -s`" cat <<-EOF Section "Monitor" Identifier "My Monitor" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" HorizSync ${X_HORZSYNC} VertRefresh ${X_VERTREFRESH} EOF if [ -n "${LINE[0]}" ]; then echo " Modeline \"${MODE[0]}\" ${LINE[0]}" fi if [ -n "${LINE[1]}" ]; then echo " Modeline \"${MODE[1]}\" ${LINE[1]}" fi if [ -n "${LINE[2]}" ]; then echo " Modeline \"${MODE[2]}\" ${LINE[2]}" fi cat <<-EOF EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "My Video Card" Driver "${X4_DRIVER}" ${BUSID} ${XVIDRAM} EOF for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do X_DEV_VAR=X_DEVICE_OPTION_${i} X_DEVICE_OPTION=${!X_DEV_VAR} if [ "${X_DEVICE_OPTION}" ]; then echo " Option \"${X_DEVICE_OPTION}\"" fi done cat <<-EOF EndSection EOF #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Setup the Screen info # if [ -z "${MODE[0]}${MODE[1]}${MODE[2]}" ]; then MODE[0]="1024x768" MODE[1]="800x600" MODE[2]="640x480" fi if [ -n "${MODE[0]}" ]; then MODE[0]=\"${MODE[0]}\" fi if [ -n "${MODE[1]}" ]; then MODE[1]=\"${MODE[1]}\" fi if [ -n "${MODE[2]}" ]; then MODE[2]=\"${MODE[2]}\" fi cat <<-EOF Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Subsection "Display" Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Modes ${MODE[*]} EndSubSection EndSection EOF #----------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Any dri options that may be required # cat <<-EOF Section "DRI" ${X4_DRI} EndSection EOF From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jul 18 06:00:09 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric, Ok, I can take a hint :) I've incorporated the updated build_x4_cfg script. But, isn't there supposed to be a script that loads the usb modules too? Jim. On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > After more pounding on the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, I found another > small bug: USB mice do not automagically work like they did in > K12LTSP 4.0.0. > > I missed one of the patches I apply (and keep sending to Jim ;-) > that configure X to support both PS/2 & USB mice from the same > config. > > If you have K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 installed & are using USB mice, > the corrected file is attached. Save this as: > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > then make it executable: > > chmod a+x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > and then all will be well. > > > I'll build new LTSP packages & resend the patch off to Jim... > > -Eric > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 18 07:13:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 jam at mcquil.com wrote: >Eric, > >Ok, I can take a hint :) > >I've incorporated the updated build_x4_cfg script. Thanks Jim ;-) >But, isn't there supposed to be a script that loads the usb modules too? The one I use is attached (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/usb). This is of lesser-importance to me than the build_x4_cfg patch. There are a couple of ways to load the mousedev USB module, any way that it is done will work with the build_x4_cfg patch (which simply listens to both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice). The old build_x4_cfg does not listen to/dev/input/mice by default, so if the mousedev USB module happens to be loaded, USB mice stop working. By having X listen to /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice, USB mice will work whether or not the mousedev USB module is loaded. If the USB modules are not loaded, most bios will make a USB mouse appear to be a standard PS/2 device on /dev/psaux. But if the USB modules are loaded, that same mouse will be moved from /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice. Basically the patch makes mice "just work", whether they are PS/2 or USB ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/sh for module in usb-uhci usb-ohci do modprobe $module &>/dev/null done if [ "`lsmod | grep usbcore`" ] then echo "USB subsystem found, loading keyboard and mouse drivers" for module in keybdev mousedev input usbmouse usbkbd do modprobe $module > /dev/null done # quick bug-fix hack insmod usbmouse else echo "WARNING: USB subsystem not found, skipping" fi From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Sun Jul 18 07:30:25 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:30:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090135824.6310.13.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Just installed LTSP 410 and I keep running into a problem with all 3 of my terminals not booting. They boot about halfway then fail. All my terminals are getting kernel panics. All 3 fail with identical errors, like so: -------------------------------- Running /linuxrc Mounting /proc linuxrc: Installing e100 driver modprobe e100 Running dhcpcd on port 67 **** /bin/dhcpdcd: already running **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file ERROR! dhcpcd failed! Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! <3>e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex -------------------------------- On the server side I get this in the messages log: -------------------------------- Jul 18 03:13:30 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:58 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws252.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) -------------------------------- It looks to me like the client(terminal) is trying to get another IP for some reason. All terminals are using e100 NICs (Intel e100). I suspect this may be a problem with the Intel driver. I'll have to try another NIC but right now all three of my terminals are using Intel 100's and I don't feel like ripping them apart at this moment. Otherwise the server is looks and runs great. Thanks again guys for the great work. Jack On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 02:00, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Eric, > > Ok, I can take a hint :) > > I've incorporated the updated build_x4_cfg script. > > But, isn't there supposed to be a script that loads the usb modules too? > > Jim. > > > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > After more pounding on the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, I found another > > small bug: USB mice do not automagically work like they did in > > K12LTSP 4.0.0. > > > > I missed one of the patches I apply (and keep sending to Jim ;-) > > that configure X to support both PS/2 & USB mice from the same > > config. > > > > If you have K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 installed & are using USB mice, > > the corrected file is attached. Save this as: > > > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > > > then make it executable: > > > > chmod a+x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > > > and then all will be well. > > > > > > I'll build new LTSP packages & resend the patch off to Jim... > > > > -Eric > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Sun Jul 18 09:09:42 2004 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (Antonello) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:09:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] old mac as client Message-ID: <1090141748.3121.7.camel@server.ltsp> I'm trying to set up an old Mac Performa as a thin client in my k12ltsp 4.0.1 lab (finally, a brand new one here in Italy :-) ). Has anyone already had experience about rom-booting a Mac or can maybe suggest me further reference? tia Antonello From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Jul 18 11:49:42 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:49:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] old mac as client Message-ID: <200407181202.i6IC27004899@downeast.net> rerad skip gaede's article on ltsp.org....i have his sea.bin available..no netboot but chubby clients work...chuck > I'm trying to set up an old Mac Performa as a thin client in my k12ltsp > 4.0.1 lab (finally, a brand new one here in Italy :-) ). > Has anyone already had experience about rom-booting a Mac or can maybe > suggest me further reference? > > tia > Antonello > uck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From thepiano at pandora.be Sun Jul 18 12:36:43 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:36:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] old mac as client In-Reply-To: <200407181202.i6IC27004899@downeast.net> References: <200407181202.i6IC27004899@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1FCAB374-D8B7-11D8-A5C1-003065521B98@pandora.be> Can you attach the sea.bin or make a osx-unpackapble file ? os 9- less for the moment... Kevin On 18 Jul 2004, at 13:49, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > rerad skip gaede's article on ltsp.org....i have his sea.bin > available..no > netboot but chubby clients work...chuck > >> I'm trying to set up an old Mac Performa as a thin client in my >> k12ltsp >> 4.0.1 lab (finally, a brand new one here in Italy :-) ). >> Has anyone already had experience about rom-booting a Mac or can maybe >> suggest me further reference? >> >> tia >> Antonello >> uck >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jul 18 13:46:51 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: <1090135824.6310.13.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: Jack, I've had a couple of reports of this problem, but i've not yet been able to reproduce it myself. It is correct that there is a 2nd dhcp request. that is because the bootrom doesn't pass the information to the kernel, so once the Linux kernel is running, the workstation needs to make a dhcp request of its own. Are you booting with PXE or Etherboot ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Jack wrote: > Just installed LTSP 410 and I keep running into a problem with all 3 of > my terminals not booting. They boot about halfway then fail. > > All my terminals are getting kernel panics. All 3 fail with identical > errors, like so: > -------------------------------- > Running /linuxrc > Mounting /proc > linuxrc: Installing e100 driver > modprobe e100 > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > > **** /bin/dhcpdcd: already running > **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > <3>e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex > -------------------------------- > > On the server side I get this in the messages log: > > -------------------------------- > Jul 18 03:13:30 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via > eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.251 to > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 > (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:58 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via > eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 > (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > ws252.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > -------------------------------- > > It looks to me like the client(terminal) is trying to get another IP for > some reason. All terminals are using e100 NICs (Intel e100). I suspect > this may be a problem with the Intel driver. I'll have to try another > NIC but right now all three of my terminals are using Intel 100's and I > don't feel like ripping them apart at this moment. Otherwise the server > is looks and runs great. Thanks again guys for the great work. > > Jack > > > On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 02:00, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > Eric, > > > > Ok, I can take a hint :) > > > > I've incorporated the updated build_x4_cfg script. > > > > But, isn't there supposed to be a script that loads the usb modules too? > > > > Jim. > > > > > > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > > After more pounding on the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, I found another > > > small bug: USB mice do not automagically work like they did in > > > K12LTSP 4.0.0. > > > > > > I missed one of the patches I apply (and keep sending to Jim ;-) > > > that configure X to support both PS/2 & USB mice from the same > > > config. > > > > > > If you have K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 installed & are using USB mice, > > > the corrected file is attached. Save this as: > > > > > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > > > > > then make it executable: > > > > > > chmod a+x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > > > > > and then all will be well. > > > > > > > > > I'll build new LTSP packages & resend the patch off to Jim... > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 18 13:54:26 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: <1090135824.6310.13.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: Jack, If you are stuck, as a temporary fix you should be able to use the kernels from K12LTSP 4.0.1. These three commands should get you back in business: rpm -e ltsp_i386-kernel rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fedora/RPMS.k12ltsp/ltsp_kernel_i386-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0.noarch.rpm rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/fedora/RPMS.k12ltsp/ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe-3.0-13.k12ltsp.1.4.0.noarch.rpm -Eric On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Jack wrote: >Just installed LTSP 410 and I keep running into a problem with all 3 of >my terminals not booting. They boot about halfway then fail. > >All my terminals are getting kernel panics. All 3 fail with identical >errors, like so: >-------------------------------- >Running /linuxrc >Mounting /proc >linuxrc: Installing e100 driver >modprobe e100 >Running dhcpcd on port 67 > >**** /bin/dhcpdcd: already running >**** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file > >ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > >Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! ><3>e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex >-------------------------------- > >On the server side I get this in the messages log: > >-------------------------------- >Jul 18 03:13:30 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via >eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.251 to >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 >(192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:58 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via >eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 >(192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to >00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from >ws252.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) >-------------------------------- > >It looks to me like the client(terminal) is trying to get another IP for >some reason. All terminals are using e100 NICs (Intel e100). I suspect >this may be a problem with the Intel driver. I'll have to try another >NIC but right now all three of my terminals are using Intel 100's and I >don't feel like ripping them apart at this moment. Otherwise the server >is looks and runs great. Thanks again guys for the great work. > >Jack > From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Sun Jul 18 14:17:49 2004 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (Antonello) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:17:49 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] old mac as client In-Reply-To: <200407181202.i6IC27004899@downeast.net> References: <200407181202.i6IC27004899@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1090160209.3873.2.camel@server.ltsp> Found it. I'll ask you again for the sea.bin later on, if I manage in understanding the whole stuff... thanks a million Antonello > rerad skip gaede's article on ltsp.org....i have his sea.bin available..no > netboot but chubby clients work...chuck > > > I'm trying to set up an old Mac Performa as a thin client in my k12ltsp > > 4.0.1 lab (finally, a brand new one here in Italy :-) ). > > Has anyone already had experience about rom-booting a Mac or can maybe > > suggest me further reference? > > > > tia > > Antonello > > uck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tony.hadfield at baesystems.com Sun Jul 18 14:19:05 2004 From: tony.hadfield at baesystems.com (Tony Hadfield) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:19:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] odd question.. Message-ID: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091C5C@baesystems.com> Hey Norbert, This sounds like a really interesting project. I have been digging around on the subject of clustering and have some useful links. Tha article here http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ltsp-omr4-1.html is about combining OpenMosix clustering with K12LTSP. Its worth a read although the version of K12LTSP he used is quite old. His idea was to use the clients spare processing cycles to create the cluster rather than build the cluster out of dedicated server hardware (such as the rack mounted beast you intend to build). You will also probably find these useful: http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ http://www.techsburg.com/gentoo/docs/ltspdoc.html http://www.lpmo.edu/~daniau/ltsp-mosix/ http://autocluster.wustl.edu/ And a links page at: http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/community.html Good luck and please keep us posted / let us know what you did. Tony -----Original Message----- From: norbert [mailto:bear2bar at netscape.net] Sent: 16 July 2004 22:40 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd question.. I'd like to thank all those who responded with their great ideas.. :-) In order to promote K12ltsp in schools we want to "build" .. with the participation of select students, a 75 node P-I cluster and have it run n-number of thin clients in the school that succeeds in getting it to work. The winner will get the cluster & thin clients FREE to use in their school or organisation. With this "stunt" we hope to raise the visibility of Linux & K12 in our area, once done we'll invite press and school boards to see what Open Source Systems can do !!! So please keep the ideas and suggestions coming. thanks norbert NB Just in case anyone has any doubts ..... YES we are nuts !!! :-D ....... but determined.... jritchie at bible.edu wrote: On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:21, Doug Simpson wrote: You could just take sheets of aluminum and make rack mounts for each board, drilling and tapping the sheet for the standoffs for the motherboards. However, remember you will have to have power supplies for each board. And you will have to leave sufficient room between boards for cards to stand up unless you use fully integrated motherboars (video, LAN, etc. . .) Then there's the thing of cooling air. the boards would have to be far enough apart for the cpu fans to get sufficient air. But then again if you use the integrated boards, some of those fit into the slimline cases so that shouldn;t be a problem. This is a good idea, but it will take a considerable amount of design and fab work to make it happen. But if you already have the motherboards and power supplies and etc, it could be done reasonable inexpensively. Doug briefly addresses cooling. I'm thinking, unless you mount the Mb's sideways, you will want to not use a cage that is enclosed and cools by sucking air up through it, but rather in the front and out the back or some such type. Sounds like a fun idea to mess with. JSR/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 18 15:08:49 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] boot hang reproduced, Was: Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 jam at mcquil.com wrote: >I've had a couple of reports of this problem, but i've not yet been able >to reproduce it myself. Jim, I'm able to repoduce this on my laptop. PXE boot works fine. BOOTP via an Etherboot iso image fails with the "/bin/dhcpdcd: already running" error. Looks like a NFS or init issue. Will dig in further. Here is the full text (written by hand, beware of typos ;-) Running dhcpcd on port 67 Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltps/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 Doing the pivot_root Mounting the devfs filesystem Running /sbin/init Usage: init 0123456SoQaAaBbCcUu VSF: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed Unmonting old root Trying to free ramdisk memory .. failed Mounted devfs on /dev Freeing unused kernel memory: 88k freed ============================================================ Running /linuxrc Mounting /proc linuxrc: Installing e100 driver modprobe e100 Runnng dhcpcd on port 67 **** /bin/dhcpcd: already running **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file -Eric >It is correct that there is a 2nd dhcp request. that is because the >bootrom doesn't pass the information to the kernel, so once the Linux >kernel is running, the workstation needs to make a dhcp request of its >own. > >Are you booting with PXE or Etherboot ? > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Jack wrote: > >> Just installed LTSP 410 and I keep running into a problem with all 3 of >> my terminals not booting. They boot about halfway then fail. >> >> All my terminals are getting kernel panics. All 3 fail with identical >> errors, like so: >> -------------------------------- >> Running /linuxrc >> Mounting /proc >> linuxrc: Installing e100 driver >> modprobe e100 >> Running dhcpcd on port 67 >> >> **** /bin/dhcpdcd: already running >> **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file >> >> ERROR! dhcpcd failed! >> >> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! >> <3>e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex >> -------------------------------- >> >> On the server side I get this in the messages log: >> >> -------------------------------- >> Jul 18 03:13:30 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via >> eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.251 to >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 >> (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:58 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via >> eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 >> (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from >> ws252.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) >> -------------------------------- >> >> It looks to me like the client(terminal) is trying to get another IP for >> some reason. All terminals are using e100 NICs (Intel e100). I suspect >> this may be a problem with the Intel driver. I'll have to try another >> NIC but right now all three of my terminals are using Intel 100's and I >> don't feel like ripping them apart at this moment. Otherwise the server >> is looks and runs great. Thanks again guys for the great work. >> >> Jack >> >> >> On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 02:00, jam at mcquil.com wrote: >> > Eric, >> > >> > Ok, I can take a hint :) >> > >> > I've incorporated the updated build_x4_cfg script. >> > >> > But, isn't there supposed to be a script that loads the usb modules too? >> > >> > Jim. >> > >> > >> > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > After more pounding on the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, I found another >> > > small bug: USB mice do not automagically work like they did in >> > > K12LTSP 4.0.0. >> > > >> > > I missed one of the patches I apply (and keep sending to Jim ;-) >> > > that configure X to support both PS/2 & USB mice from the same >> > > config. >> > > >> > > If you have K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 installed & are using USB mice, >> > > the corrected file is attached. Save this as: >> > > >> > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg >> > > >> > > then make it executable: >> > > >> > > chmod a+x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg >> > > >> > > and then all will be well. >> > > >> > > >> > > I'll build new LTSP packages & resend the patch off to Jim... >> > > >> > > -Eric >> > > From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jul 18 15:13:40 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: boot hang reproduced, Was: Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric, Hmm, it seems that it is trying to run the /linuxrc script twice, and failing the 2nd time. I'll look into it here too. Also, i've got some updates for you, i'll send a separate email in a few minutes. Jim. On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > >I've had a couple of reports of this problem, but i've not yet been able > >to reproduce it myself. > > Jim, I'm able to repoduce this on my laptop. > > PXE boot works fine. BOOTP via an Etherboot iso image fails with > the "/bin/dhcpdcd: already running" error. Looks like a NFS or > init issue. Will dig in further. > > > Here is the full text (written by hand, beware of typos ;-) > > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltps/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 > Doing the pivot_root > Mounting the devfs filesystem > Running /sbin/init > Usage: init 0123456SoQaAaBbCcUu > VSF: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) > Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed > Unmonting old root > Trying to free ramdisk memory .. failed > Mounted devfs on /dev > Freeing unused kernel memory: 88k freed > ============================================================ > Running /linuxrc > Mounting /proc > linuxrc: Installing e100 driver > modprobe e100 > Runnng dhcpcd on port 67 > > **** /bin/dhcpcd: already running > **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file > > > -Eric > > >It is correct that there is a 2nd dhcp request. that is because the > >bootrom doesn't pass the information to the kernel, so once the Linux > >kernel is running, the workstation needs to make a dhcp request of its > >own. > > > >Are you booting with PXE or Etherboot ? > > > >Jim McQuillan > >jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > >On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Jack wrote: > > > >> Just installed LTSP 410 and I keep running into a problem with all 3 of > >> my terminals not booting. They boot about halfway then fail. > >> > >> All my terminals are getting kernel panics. All 3 fail with identical > >> errors, like so: > >> -------------------------------- > >> Running /linuxrc > >> Mounting /proc > >> linuxrc: Installing e100 driver > >> modprobe e100 > >> Running dhcpcd on port 67 > >> > >> **** /bin/dhcpdcd: already running > >> **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file > >> > >> ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > >> > >> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > >> <3>e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex > >> -------------------------------- > >> > >> On the server side I get this in the messages log: > >> > >> -------------------------------- > >> Jul 18 03:13:30 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via > >> eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.251 to > >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 > >> (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:58 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via > >> eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to > >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 > >> (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to > >> 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > >> Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > >> ws252.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > >> -------------------------------- > >> > >> It looks to me like the client(terminal) is trying to get another IP for > >> some reason. All terminals are using e100 NICs (Intel e100). I suspect > >> this may be a problem with the Intel driver. I'll have to try another > >> NIC but right now all three of my terminals are using Intel 100's and I > >> don't feel like ripping them apart at this moment. Otherwise the server > >> is looks and runs great. Thanks again guys for the great work. > >> > >> Jack > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 02:00, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > >> > Eric, > >> > > >> > Ok, I can take a hint :) > >> > > >> > I've incorporated the updated build_x4_cfg script. > >> > > >> > But, isn't there supposed to be a script that loads the usb modules too? > >> > > >> > Jim. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > After more pounding on the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, I found another > >> > > small bug: USB mice do not automagically work like they did in > >> > > K12LTSP 4.0.0. > >> > > > >> > > I missed one of the patches I apply (and keep sending to Jim ;-) > >> > > that configure X to support both PS/2 & USB mice from the same > >> > > config. > >> > > > >> > > If you have K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 installed & are using USB mice, > >> > > the corrected file is attached. Save this as: > >> > > > >> > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > >> > > > >> > > then make it executable: > >> > > > >> > > chmod a+x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > >> > > > >> > > and then all will be well. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I'll build new LTSP packages & resend the patch off to Jim... > >> > > > >> > > -Eric > >> > > > From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Sun Jul 18 15:22:24 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:22:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Another small K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090164144.28578.0.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Using Etherboot. None of my machines use PXE mostly because they are too old. Jack On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 09:46, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Jack, > > I've had a couple of reports of this problem, but i've not yet been able > to reproduce it myself. > > It is correct that there is a 2nd dhcp request. that is because the > bootrom doesn't pass the information to the kernel, so once the Linux > kernel is running, the workstation needs to make a dhcp request of its > own. > > Are you booting with PXE or Etherboot ? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Jack wrote: > > > Just installed LTSP 410 and I keep running into a problem with all 3 of > > my terminals not booting. They boot about halfway then fail. > > > > All my terminals are getting kernel panics. All 3 fail with identical > > errors, like so: > > -------------------------------- > > Running /linuxrc > > Mounting /proc > > linuxrc: Installing e100 driver > > modprobe e100 > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > > > > **** /bin/dhcpdcd: already running > > **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not then delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > > > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > <3>e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex > > -------------------------------- > > > > On the server side I get this in the messages log: > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jul 18 03:13:30 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via > > eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.251 to > > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.251 > > (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:31 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.251 to > > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:58 tserver dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via > > eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to > > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 > > (192.168.0.254) from 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to > > 00:a0:c9:75:ca:27 via eth0 > > Jul 18 03:13:59 tserver rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > > ws252.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > -------------------------------- > > > > It looks to me like the client(terminal) is trying to get another IP for > > some reason. All terminals are using e100 NICs (Intel e100). I suspect > > this may be a problem with the Intel driver. I'll have to try another > > NIC but right now all three of my terminals are using Intel 100's and I > > don't feel like ripping them apart at this moment. Otherwise the server > > is looks and runs great. Thanks again guys for the great work. > > > > Jack > > > > > > On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 02:00, jam at mcquil.com wrote: > > > Eric, > > > > > > Ok, I can take a hint :) > > > > > > I've incorporated the updated build_x4_cfg script. > > > > > > But, isn't there supposed to be a script that loads the usb modules too? > > > > > > Jim. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > After more pounding on the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, I found another > > > > small bug: USB mice do not automagically work like they did in > > > > K12LTSP 4.0.0. > > > > > > > > I missed one of the patches I apply (and keep sending to Jim ;-) > > > > that configure X to support both PS/2 & USB mice from the same > > > > config. > > > > > > > > If you have K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 installed & are using USB mice, > > > > the corrected file is attached. Save this as: > > > > > > > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > > > > > > > then make it executable: > > > > > > > > chmod a+x /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > > > > > > > > and then all will be well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll build new LTSP packages & resend the patch off to Jim... > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Jul 18 22:21:33 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (TONY) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:21:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ppp0 failure Message-ID: I added a second ethernet card because I wanted to network my PC with this iBook (not that I've the slightest idea how). Since adding the second card to the machine, I am unable to bring up ppp0 to connect to adsl. I ran adsl-setup again, and it is still setup up for eth0 (as it was before), so I can't figure why the second card would interfere, but I've changed nothing else. Am I stupid? Using 4.0.1 still. tony From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Jul 18 23:38:59 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:38:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ppp0 failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40FB0A13.2090909@snet.net> TONY wrote: > I added a second ethernet card because I wanted to network my PC with > this iBook (not that I've the slightest idea how). > Since adding the second card to the machine, I am unable to bring up > ppp0 to connect to adsl. > I ran adsl-setup again, and it is still setup up for eth0 (as it was > before), so I can't figure why the second card would interfere, but I've > changed nothing else. > Am I stupid? > Using 4.0.1 still. > > tony Okay, removing the second card and rerunning adsl-setup returned previous functionality. All the same, I'm disappointed. I want to network this machine with my iBook so I can share files, internet and printer. I must be doing something wrong. I've never tried to do this kind of thing before. Where's there a how to? Most information I find seems to assume that I know stuff that I don't already know. tony > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jul 19 00:12:29 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:12:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ppp0 failure In-Reply-To: <40FB0A13.2090909@snet.net> References: <40FB0A13.2090909@snet.net> Message-ID: <52ABC486-D918-11D8-A17F-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When you add the card, maybe the new card is detected as eth0 and the old one becomes eth1? On Jul 18, 2004, at 6:38 PM, anthony baldwin wrote: > TONY wrote: >> I added a second ethernet card because I wanted to network my PC with >> this iBook (not that I've the slightest idea how). >> Since adding the second card to the machine, I am unable to bring up >> ppp0 to connect to adsl. >> I ran adsl-setup again, and it is still setup up for eth0 (as it was >> before), so I can't figure why the second card would interfere, but >> I've changed nothing else. >> Am I stupid? >> Using 4.0.1 still. >> tony > > Okay, removing the second card and rerunning adsl-setup returned > previous functionality. > All the same, I'm disappointed. I want to network this machine with > my iBook so I can share files, internet and printer. > I must be doing something wrong. I've never tried to do this kind of > thing before. > Where's there a how to? Most information I find seems to assume that > I know stuff that I don't already know. > > tony > > > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD7EeYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTHoACfSEQ2RzOwCGqS9GKfzaq4YbOW YlsAn29zwy6qT0zADuAi2KQMks3vzq4Q =TUew - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD7Ee0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRNXQCggOqRXBX/v2WqPEDXSUASh5oQ ys0Anj0psYOp6huJxC8nAQyPLHX4xBqb =OXBA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jul 19 10:58:37 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:58:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] old mac as client Message-ID: <200407191110.i6JBAuN10343@downeast.net> you can get it via ftp at 169.244.180.188 user ltsp pw ltsp..should be xf86config files there too forthe 5260 and 6100 if you need them..you will need the YDL tar file which is the nfsmount for the server..i unpack it within /opt/ltsp/ppc... the MAc kernel skips latest is for > Can you attach the sea.bin or make a osx-unpackapble file ? > os 9- less for the moment...dhcp on port 1001..chuck > > Kevin > > On 18 Jul 2004, at 13:49, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > rerad skip gaede's article on ltsp.org....i have his sea.bin > > available..no > > netboot but chubby clients work...chuck > > > >> I'm trying to set up an old Mac Performa as a thin client in my > >> k12ltsp > >> 4.0.1 lab (finally, a brand new one here in Italy :-) ). > >> Has anyone already had experience about rom-booting a Mac or can maybe > >> suggest me further reference? > >> > >> tia > >> Antonello > >> uck > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > Kevin Verheyen > IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From lewis at pcc.com Mon Jul 19 12:39:34 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:39:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Oo slow drop down menu display (sometimes) In-Reply-To: <1089955234.1306.57.camel@rae.home> References: <40964097.70502@wanadoo.fr> <1083610041.5258.101.camel@L143nb01> <1089955234.1306.57.camel@rae.home> Message-ID: Roger, I have not experienced a slowness with OO. However I'm interested in assisting you with your project if you are interested. I may be able to loan you some items for your demo (as long as it is not for to long) assuming that you are within close proximity of Burlington. I have several laptops both windows and apple. I also have an LTSP 150 thin client from disklessworkstations.com that is great. Let me know Lewis On Jul 16, 2004, at 1:20 AM, Roger Ellison wrote: > I'm doing some volunteer work for a computer recycler in Vermont; and, > we're putting together a small three node K12LTSP v4.01 setup as a > demo, > to show local schools how they can save money. The server is a Compaq > Deskpro 733 Mhz Pentium III with 384 MB RAM and a 10G IDE HD hooked to > a > 10/100 switch. We've got a stack of Dell Optiplex machines ranging > from > 166Mhz Pentium, 266-350 Pentium II, and 533Mhz Pentium III's to choose > from, with from 32MB to 64MB installed RAM, and 3Com 3c905-TX 10/100 > Ethernet on each. > > There's not enough desk space where I'm at to hook up more than one > client at a time. Every client boots handily to either an IceWM or > Gnome desktop. Applications open reasonably quickly. But it wasn't > until I tried clicking on one of the drop down menus in Oo Writer that > I > found out what really slooooow is. The problem afflicts the Pentiums > which use the Trio32/64 onboard video. The Pentium II's and III's > don't > have the problem and they have Rage 3D video. Ifconfig eth0 shows an > ethernet connection devoid of errors; and, RAM doesn't seem to matter. > I've looked at other posts here and noticed Oo has some issues with > slow > menu display. We had hoped to use the slower Pentiums with the Trio > video in the demo, for maximum effect; but, that won't do with the big > slow down. > > Am I right in suspecting the video chipset? Or is there something I've > overlooked? X_SERVER = "auto" is in lts.conf. I've tried xvesa, vesa, > fbdev, and vga to no avail, but had to leave before trying s3. Setting > the resolution down by X_MODE_0 = 640x480 didn't help either. > > Thanks > Roger > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jul 19 12:50:08 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:50:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? In-Reply-To: <40F96782.5010105@cmosnetworks.com> References: <40F94B6A.9020907@charter.net> <40F96782.5010105@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40FBC380.7040806@maltzen.net> Terrel- Do you know what, if any, the *technical* differences are between ES and AS? Every time I ask I get marketing-speak as to who ES or AS is intended for, which isn't what I want to know. I think one difference is that if one wants support for more than two processors, one must purchase/use the AS (which is still not a technical difference, but it is important to know). Anyone else know of any differences (as I suspect there aren't any)? Petre Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Pricing is the same, since you're just putting this on top of "stock" > RHEL. I would recommend RHEL-AS, because schools get it for $50/copy, > complete w/ a year of up2date. > > --TP > > Dave Baker wrote: > >> This does sound interesting. Which Red Hat Enterprise Linux solution >> is this build around (RHEL-AS, RHEL-ES, or RHEL-WS)? Also how does >> pricing work with terminal servers? >> >> Thanks much, >> >> Dave Baker >> >> >> >> Subject: >> Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? >> From: >> Eric Harrison >> Date: >> Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:24:01 -0700 >> >> To: >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:55, Rich McCue wrote: >> >>>> I was just wondering if anyone knows the status of the K12LTSP on >>>> Redhat Enterprise Linux 3? I've got it installed on a >>>> WhiteBoxLinux machine, but don't want to >>>> put it into production if there won't be K12LTSP support for Redhat EL >>>> down the road. The long term patch availability, and stability of >>>> RHEL and Whitebox is what is particularly appealing to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> I'll be moving RHEL support from "testing" to "production" sometime >> in the next couple of weeks: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/images/ >> >> The status is that the RHEL support will be much slower to change than >> the FC support, which is the whole point ;-) >> -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 19 13:00:25 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:00:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: <1090023240.26061.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: OK. . . Funny thing happens sometimes on these lists. . . Ask a question and get washed away with answers that completely contradict themselves or one another . . . Now the question. . . FC1K12LTSP and dual Xeons with 12BG RAM. . . Dell Poweredge 2600, 4 SCSI 73GB hard drives in a RAID 5 array - 3+1 Dual NICs Will it work or not? Thank you. On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 17:46, Shawn Powers wrote: > > Les, > > > > Are your servers (new and old) Tier 1 boxes? (ie, Dell, HP, IBM, etc) > > If so, or if not, what are they? > > I can't afford IBM or Dell... > http://www.penguincomputing.com/products/servers/relion140.php > > They come with (and require) a patched scsi driver for RH9 but > fedora installs as-is. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 14:22:02 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? In-Reply-To: <40FBC380.7040806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20040719142202.49261.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Here is a comparison chart between the diffent RHELs: http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/comparison/ >From what I see, AS has better support than ES --- Petre Scheie wrote: > Terrel- > Do you know what, if any, the *technical* > differences are between ES and AS? > Every time I ask I get marketing-speak as to who ES > or AS is intended for, which > isn't what I want to know. I think one difference > is that if one wants support > for more than two processors, one must purchase/use > the AS (which is still not a > technical difference, but it is important to know). > Anyone else know of any > differences (as I suspect there aren't any)? > > Petre > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > Pricing is the same, since you're just putting > this on top of "stock" > > RHEL. I would recommend RHEL-AS, because schools > get it for $50/copy, > > complete w/ a year of up2date. > > > > --TP > > > > Dave Baker wrote: > > > >> This does sound interesting. Which Red Hat > Enterprise Linux solution > >> is this build around (RHEL-AS, RHEL-ES, or > RHEL-WS)? Also how does > >> pricing work with terminal servers? > >> > >> Thanks much, > >> > >> Dave Baker > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: > >> Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? > >> From: > >> Eric Harrison > >> Date: > >> Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:24:01 -0700 > >> > >> To: > >> "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 11:55, Rich McCue wrote: > >> > >>>> I was just wondering if anyone knows the status > of the K12LTSP on > >>>> Redhat Enterprise Linux 3? I've got it > installed on a > >>>> WhiteBoxLinux machine, but don't want to > >>>> put it into production if there won't be > K12LTSP support for Redhat EL > >>>> down the road. The long term patch > availability, and stability of > >>>> RHEL and Whitebox is what is particularly > appealing to me. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> I'll be moving RHEL support from "testing" to > "production" sometime > >> in the next couple of weeks: > >> > >> > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/images/ > >> > >> The status is that the RHEL support will be much > slower to change than > >> the FC support, which is the whole point ;-) > >> -Eric > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dalen at czexan.net Mon Jul 19 14:44:15 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:44:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] troubles with openoffice over 8 clients In-Reply-To: <40973306.3030400@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20040504020350.94508.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> <40973306.3030400@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40FBDE3F.6030401@czexan.net> Terrell, I recall reading about this same bug but I don't remember where (perhaps on the fedora list). I've been unable to find it by googling. I'll update if I find it. Thanks, Dale Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > That's interesting, because the only time I've seen OO.o react slowly > was with beta builds of the recently released 1.1.1. Any way you can > try jogging your memory on this one? I myself have yet to see this > bug surface. > > Dan Bo wrote: > >> This is a known problem with OO.o. Menus are called >> and give an error because of an X library. Unfortunately, this >> library is called for every single >> menu entry, which means that menu drawing is slow over >> a thin client or other exported X session. This bug >> has been fixed and will be eliminated in the next >> version of OO.o. >> I'm sorry that I don't have a link handy or more >> specific information, but this is just memory from >> reading /. >> Dan >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Mon Jul 19 14:47:10 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:47:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Time out software for K12LTSP Message-ID: <20040719144711.9882.qmail@hoster900.com> Hi, I am looking to set up K12LTSP in a public library setting. I am wondering if there is a module anyone has tried that limits time spent at the computers? (we have had problems in the past with people hunkering down and sitting at the computers eight or nine hours a day) I know the Grand Rapids Public Library has deployed something with BSD, but my skills at porting to Linux (and time) are quite limited and I was wondering if there was anything that worked with K12LTSP... I'd like something that generates a unique login that's only usable once... Like a one time use number, so the person can't just log in to the computer again. It would be WONDERFUL if it were possible to integrate it into our library automation system, but I think that's too much to ask for. Does anyone know of any modules like this? thanks Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Jul 19 14:51:43 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:51:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP on Redhat EL3? In-Reply-To: <40F94B6A.9020907@charter.net> References: <40F94B6A.9020907@charter.net> Message-ID: <20040719145143.GE1363@wizzy.com> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Dave Baker wrote: > This does sound interesting. Which Red Hat Enterprise Linux solution is > this build around (RHEL-AS, RHEL-ES, or RHEL-WS)? Also how does pricing > work with terminal servers? Let me also just point out the existence of Whitebox Linux, at http://whiteboxlinux.org/ Which tracks RHEL (all packages). Its existence is only possible because of Redhat generously making all the Source RPMs of RHEL available. Whitebox strips the Redhat'ishness out of it, and re-rolls the CDs. I use it to good effect in LTSP-based classrooms. Cheers, Andy! From smoogen at lanl.gov Mon Jul 19 14:58:29 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:58:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Time out software for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20040719144711.9882.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040719144711.9882.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <1090249107.26193.0.camel@smoogen3.lanl.gov> On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 08:47, Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking to set up K12LTSP in a public library setting. I am > wondering if there is a module anyone has tried that limits time spent > at the computers? (we have had problems in the past with people > hunkering down and sitting at the computers eight or nine hours a day) > I know the Grand Rapids Public Library has deployed something with > BSD, but my skills at porting to Linux (and time) are quite limited > and I was wondering if there was anything that worked with K12LTSP... > Do you have a pointer to what GRPL used? Maybe someone else has the time/skills to do the port for you? > I'd like something that generates a unique login that's only usable > once... Like a one time use number, so the person can't just log in to > the computer again. It would be WONDERFUL if it were possible to > integrate it into our library automation system, but I think that's > too much to ask for. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- "We cannot have a free government without elections; and if the -- rebellion could force us to forgo, or postpone, a national election, -- it might fairly claim to have already conquered us." Abraham Lincoln From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Mon Jul 19 15:07:16 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Time out software for K12LTSP Message-ID: <20040719150716.22572.qmail@hoster900.com> Sure, here's a little bit about the GRPL project: www.grpl.org/ism/ It seems promising, and like what I'd like to do... But I am quite a newbie and I'm not sure if this would work in conjunction with K12LTSP. take care Kristin -------Original Message------- > From: Stephen Smoogen > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Time out software for K12LTSP > Sent: Jul 19 2004 09:58:29 > > On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 08:47, Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am looking to set up K12LTSP in a public library setting. I am > > wondering if there is a module anyone has tried that limits time spent > > at the computers? (we have had problems in the past with people > > hunkering down and sitting at the computers eight or nine hours a day) > > I know the Grand Rapids Public Library has deployed something with > > BSD, but my skills at porting to Linux (and time) are quite limited > > and I was wondering if there was anything that worked with K12LTSP... > > > > Do you have a pointer to what GRPL used? Maybe someone else has the > time/skills to do the port for you? > > > I'd like something that generates a unique login that's only usable > > once... Like a one time use number, so the person can't just log in to > > the computer again. It would be WONDERFUL if it were possible to > > integrate it into our library automation system, but I think that's > > too much to ask for. > > -- > Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov > Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 > Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 > -- "We cannot have a free government without elections; and if the > -- rebellion could force us to forgo, or postpone, a national election, > -- it might fairly claim to have already conquered us." Abraham Lincoln -------Original Message------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com Mon Jul 19 15:29:57 2004 From: Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:29:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Music composition Message-ID: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0AF960EC@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> It's a bit of a broad overview, but this O'Reilly Network article might be of interest: Semi-Pro Linux-Based Recording - http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/06/24/linux_semipro_studi o.html?page=1 - Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator The Greenhouse School Salem, Ma, USA ________________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of norbert Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:55 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Music composition Hi Does anyone know of and have experience with OpenSource software for creating, mixing & recording music ? If it works with K12ltsp that would be even better... thanks norbert From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 19 15:53:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:53:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090252382.1330.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 08:00, Doug Simpson wrote: > Funny thing happens sometimes on these lists. . . > > Ask a question and get washed away with answers that completely contradict > themselves or one another . . . Different hardware, different answers.... I'm not sure anyone really understood the crashing problem except that it was a race condition between CPU's during mount/unmount operations. My machines aren't running the automounter so they might not crash even if they had the timing problem. > Now the question. . . > > FC1K12LTSP and dual Xeons with 12BG RAM. . . > Dell Poweredge 2600, 4 SCSI 73GB hard drives in a RAID 5 array - 3+1 > Dual NICs > > Will it work or not? Unless someone has that exact box they probably can't answer, especially since you didn't mention the raid controller or NIC hardware. You should do a 'yum update' after the install in any case and it might be even better to start with FC2. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Jul 19 15:54:43 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:54:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Time out software for K12LTSP Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DE96@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >> On Behalf Of Kristin Shoemaker >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:47 AM >> >> I am looking to set up K12LTSP in a public library setting. I >> am wondering if there is a module anyone has tried that limits >> time spent at the computers? (we have had problems in the past >> with people hunkering down and sitting at the computers eight >> or nine hours a day) I know the Grand Rapids Public Library >> has deployed something with BSD, but my skills at porting to >> Linux (and time) are quite limited and I was wondering if >> there was anything that worked with K12LTSP... You might be interested in what the Howard County (Maryland) library has done. Here's a NewsForge article about it: Linux in action: A public library's success story http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/05/03/1520209.shtml?tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 It mentions at the end that Luis and Mike are offering assistance to others doing the same thing. http://www.lumixtech.com/ -- Henry From patmo98 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 16:04:36 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:04:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dual Xeon and FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40FBF114.7010103@yahoo.com> Doug Simpson wrote: >OK. . . > >Funny thing happens sometimes on these lists. . . > >Ask a question and get washed away with answers that completely contradict >themselves or one another . . . > >Now the question. . . > >FC1K12LTSP and dual Xeons with 12BG RAM. . . >Dell Poweredge 2600, 4 SCSI 73GB hard drives in a RAID 5 array - 3+1 >Dual NICs > >Will it work or not? > >Thank you. > > There was a problom at one time with an Intel dual Xeon with 4GB of RAM. It wouldn't work under 3.1.2. I am attaching the messages. -Patrick Mohr -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: forward_msg.txt URL: From garret at ruffdogs.com Mon Jul 19 17:30:26 2004 From: garret at ruffdogs.com (Garret Acott) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:30:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] troubles with openoffice over 8 clients Message-ID: <20040719173026.A6637119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> We are seeing that this has been fixed in 1.1.2 Garret Ruffdogs 970-484-5390 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=ruffdogs&btnG=Search Original Message: ----------------------------------------------- >>Terrell, >> I recall reading about this same bug but I don't remember where >>(perhaps on the fedora list). I've been unable to find it by googling. >>I'll update if I find it. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Dale >> >>Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >>> That's interesting, because the only time I've seen OO.o react slowly >>> was with beta builds of the recently released 1.1.1. Any way you can >>> try jogging your memory on this one? I myself have yet to see this >>> bug surface. >>> >>> Dan Bo wrote: >>> >>>> This is a known problem with OO.o. Menus are called >>>> and give an error because of an X library. Unfortunately, this >>>> library is called for every single >>>> menu entry, which means that menu drawing is slow over >>>> a thin client or other exported X session. This bug >>>> has been fixed and will be eliminated in the next >>>> version of OO.o. >>>> I'm sorry that I don't have a link handy or more >>>> specific information, but this is just memory from >>>> reading /. >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see ------------------------- This message was sent to you via DogFood < http://dogfood.ruffdogs.com/ > Feeding your business in a dog eat dog world. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 19 19:34:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:34:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates Message-ID: <1090265660.2653.20.camel@server.ltsp> So far, everything is looking pretty good with the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta. I've uploaded new packages that fix the few bugs that have been found so far. In particular, Jim figured out what was causing problems with etherboot booted terminals. You can use apt/up2date/yum to install the packages. New ISO images will be uploaded after I finish verifying that they were built correctly. I did introduce one new bug: the ltspadmin utility no longer shows the LTSP packages as being installed (it should show that all packages are installed). I'll fix this minor little bug in the next build... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried on a different workstation with the same disc set and it worked flawlessly =) the 'everything' option I noticed increased hd usage considerably from 4.0.1... 1 or 2 gigs larger I believe...7.2 gigs I think was the everything install on 4.1.0 beta --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > So far, everything is looking pretty good with the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta. > > I've uploaded new packages that fix the few bugs that have been found so > far. In particular, Jim figured out what was causing problems with > etherboot booted terminals. > > You can use apt/up2date/yum to install the packages. > > New ISO images will be uploaded after I finish verifying that they were > built correctly. > > > I did introduce one new bug: the ltspadmin utility no longer shows the > LTSP packages as being installed (it should show that all packages are > installed). I'll fix this minor little bug in the next build... > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mross at esd165.org Mon Jul 19 21:44:05 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:44:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates In-Reply-To: <1090265660.2653.20.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090265660.2653.20.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40FC40A5.5020507@esd165.org> Probelsm I've been having so far: Minor: rhgb doesn't always work. Have seen it work, then next reboot it locks up the system. I have no idea why. Default Gnome icons change from BlueCurve to something much more generic. Major: Network card dies. I get a console message about a 'screaming interupt' on IRQ 11, which is my Gigabit card. This brings up the question (which I'm going to find out via trail and error shortly)... Can I replace a network card in a linux box, and keep the same network settings as the previous card? Do I need to reconfigure anything if my replacement card is of a diffrent type? I know Fedora will autoconfigure the card for me, but will I have to make any LTSP level changes? --Matt Eric Harrison wrote: >So far, everything is looking pretty good with the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta. > >I've uploaded new packages that fix the few bugs that have been found so >far. In particular, Jim figured out what was causing problems with >etherboot booted terminals. > >You can use apt/up2date/yum to install the packages. > >New ISO images will be uploaded after I finish verifying that they were >built correctly. > > >I did introduce one new bug: the ltspadmin utility no longer shows the >LTSP packages as being installed (it should show that all packages are >installed). I'll fix this minor little bug in the next build... > >-Eric > > From nbs at sonic.net Mon Jul 19 21:45:27 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:45:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Music composition In-Reply-To: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0AF960EC@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> References: <28B9108644E492469B911D587AABC97C0AF960EC@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <20040719214527.GC26751@sonic.net> Oh yeah, also there's a book: http://www.nerdbooks.com/item.php?id=1886411344 -bill! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 19 23:30:49 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:30:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates In-Reply-To: <40FC40A5.5020507@esd165.org> References: <1090265660.2653.20.camel@server.ltsp> <40FC40A5.5020507@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1090279848.2653.37.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 14:44, Matthew Ross wrote: > Probelsm I've been having so far: > > Minor: > rhgb doesn't always work. Have seen it work, then next reboot it locks > up the system. I have no idea why. I don't see anything in RedHat's bugzilla on this one. > Default Gnome icons change from BlueCurve to something much more generic. No bugzilla hits on this one either. Are you sure you are using the Bluecurve theme? Preferences -> Theme > Major: > Network card dies. I get a console message about a 'screaming interupt' > on IRQ 11, which is my Gigabit card. Bugzilla has a couple hits on this one. Have you tried booting with "acpi=off" ? That seems to be the most common suggestion. > This brings up the question (which > I'm going to find out via trail and error shortly)... Can I replace a > network card in a linux box, and keep the same network settings as the > previous card? Do I need to reconfigure anything if my replacement card > is of a diffrent type? I know Fedora will autoconfigure the card for me, > but will I have to make any LTSP level changes? I have not tried this with FC2, but I have done it many times in the past. On bootup, kudzu will see the new card & ask if you want to migrate your old settings. (pick yes, obviously ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no idea why. > Default Gnome icons change from BlueCurve to something much more generic. > > Major: > Network card dies. I get a console message about a 'screaming > interupt' on IRQ 11, which is my Gigabit card. This brings up the > question (which I'm going to find out via trail and error shortly)... > Can I replace a network card in a linux box, and keep the same network > settings as the previous card? Do I need to reconfigure anything if my > replacement card is of a diffrent type? I know Fedora will > autoconfigure the card for me, but will I have to make any LTSP level > changes? > > --Matt From mross at esd165.org Mon Jul 19 23:45:45 2004 From: mross at esd165.org (Matthew Ross) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:45:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates In-Reply-To: <1090279848.2653.37.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090265660.2653.20.camel@server.ltsp> <40FC40A5.5020507@esd165.org> <1090279848.2653.37.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40FC5D29.3020201@esd165.org> Eric Harrison wrote: >>Minor: >>rhgb doesn't always work. Have seen it work, then next reboot it locks >>up the system. I have no idea why. >> >> > >I don't see anything in RedHat's bugzilla on this one. > > > Yeah, I think it's just a freak problem here. It's not hard to edit out the rhgb in the grub config, so consider this solved unless more people start to complain. >>Default Gnome icons change from BlueCurve to something much more generic. >> >> > >No bugzilla hits on this one either. > >Are you sure you are using the Bluecurve theme? Preferences -> Theme > > Yeah, I'm using BlueCurve. But as I said in my last email, it seems to only come up with the default icons when I'm already logged in elsewhere in the LTSP lab (Or VNC). >>Major: >>Network card dies. I get a console message about a 'screaming interupt' >>on IRQ 11, which is my Gigabit card. >> >> > >Bugzilla has a couple hits on this one. Have you tried booting with >"acpi=off" ? That seems to be the most common suggestion. > > > Well, I already replaced the NIC with a diffrent nic, and the problem seems to be solved. >> This brings up the question (which >>I'm going to find out via trail and error shortly)... Can I replace a >>network card in a linux box, and keep the same network settings as the >>previous card? Do I need to reconfigure anything if my replacement card >>is of a diffrent type? I know Fedora will autoconfigure the card for me, >>but will I have to make any LTSP level changes? >> >> > >I have not tried this with FC2, but I have done it many times in the past. >On bootup, kudzu will see the new card & ask if you want to migrate your >old settings. (pick yes, obviously ;-) > > > Unfortunetly, this was not the case... unless I missed it. It asked me to remove the old configuration, then configure the new card. I didn't see any "migrate" button, which would have been nice. But then again, I do usualy zip through those kudzu screens. Sm:)e. --Matt From gjkramer at shaw.ca Tue Jul 20 03:30:07 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (Gustav Kramer) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:30:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates In-Reply-To: <40FC3B8D.4040701@paasda.org> References: <1090265660.2653.20.camel@server.ltsp> <40FC3B8D.4040701@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1090294206.6264.261.camel@server.ltsp> Huck, Your "test machine" wouldn't happen to have a C3 processor would it? - gus On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 14:22, David Huckaby wrote: > meaning the next build will be the full release maybe? =) > > My only issue was that installing from CD on my test machine it > continually rebooted no matter which option was selected... > > I tried on a different workstation with the same disc set and it worked > flawlessly =) > > the 'everything' option I noticed increased hd usage considerably from > 4.0.1... 1 or 2 gigs larger I believe...7.2 gigs I think was the > everything install on 4.1.0 beta > > --Huck > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > So far, everything is looking pretty good with the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta. > > > > I've uploaded new packages that fix the few bugs that have been found so > > far. In particular, Jim figured out what was causing problems with > > etherboot booted terminals. > > > > You can use apt/up2date/yum to install the packages. > > > > New ISO images will be uploaded after I finish verifying that they were > > built correctly. > > > > > > I did introduce one new bug: the ltspadmin utility no longer shows the > > LTSP packages as being installed (it should show that all packages are > > installed). I'll fix this minor little bug in the next build... > > > > -Eric > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Tue Jul 20 12:30:14 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:30:14 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a link (script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another (SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to the system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me but what about for all users? Thanks in advance. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 20 13:16:57 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:16:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? In-Reply-To: <048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com> <048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <40FD1B49.7010000@maltzen.net> I think you'll have to setup all the other users with ssh-with-no-password in order for them to be able to call SO by just clicking an icon. So, perhaps this would work (this is off the top of my head) and I think you could script it: As root on the linux box, do for each user 1. su - to user 2. ssh-keygen -t dsa 3. cd .ssh/ 4. cp id_dsa.pub authorized_keys2 5. repeat for next user Then you could nfs mount the user's home directories on the Solaris box. I havent' tried this to verify it would work. If it doesn't, then you'd have to replace step #4 with copying the id_dsa.pub key to solaris:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2. Or you could toss security to the wind and allow rsh and call SO via that. But getting that set up would probably take as much work as doing it through ssh, so you might as well take the ssh route. Petre John Simovic wrote: > Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a link > (script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another > (SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to the > system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me but > what about for all users? > > Thanks in advance. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Tue Jul 20 13:18:44 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:18:44 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com><048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1B49.7010000@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Thanks Peter but I have over 1000 users so this idea is not appealing to me atm. Has to be another way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? > I think you'll have to setup all the other users with ssh-with-no-password in > order for them to be able to call SO by just clicking an icon. So, perhaps this > would work (this is off the top of my head) and I think you could script it: > > As root on the linux box, do for each user > 1. su - to user > 2. ssh-keygen -t dsa > 3. cd .ssh/ > 4. cp id_dsa.pub authorized_keys2 > 5. repeat for next user > > Then you could nfs mount the user's home directories on the Solaris box. I > havent' tried this to verify it would work. If it doesn't, then you'd have to > replace step #4 with copying the id_dsa.pub key to > solaris:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2. > > Or you could toss security to the wind and allow rsh and call SO via that. But > getting that set up would probably take as much work as doing it through ssh, so > you might as well take the ssh route. > > Petre > > John Simovic wrote: > > Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a link > > (script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another > > (SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to the > > system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me but > > what about for all users? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 20 13:31:55 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:31:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? In-Reply-To: <054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com><048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1B49.7010000@maltzen.net> <054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <40FD1ECB.8030102@maltzen.net> Do the users all have accounts on the Solaris box already? John Simovic wrote: > Thanks Peter but I have over 1000 users so this idea is not appealing to me > atm. Has to be another way? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petre Scheie" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? > > > >>I think you'll have to setup all the other users with ssh-with-no-password > > in > >>order for them to be able to call SO by just clicking an icon. So, > > perhaps this > >>would work (this is off the top of my head) and I think you could script > > it: > >>As root on the linux box, do for each user >>1. su - to user >>2. ssh-keygen -t dsa >>3. cd .ssh/ >>4. cp id_dsa.pub authorized_keys2 >>5. repeat for next user >> >>Then you could nfs mount the user's home directories on the Solaris box. > > I > >>havent' tried this to verify it would work. If it doesn't, then you'd > > have to > >>replace step #4 with copying the id_dsa.pub key to >>solaris:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2. >> >>Or you could toss security to the wind and allow rsh and call SO via that. > > But > >>getting that set up would probably take as much work as doing it through > > ssh, so > >>you might as well take the ssh route. >> >>Petre >> >>John Simovic wrote: >> >>>Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a > > link > >>>(script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another >>>(SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to the >>>system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me > > but > >>>what about for all users? >>> >>>Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 20 14:36:53 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:36:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? In-Reply-To: <054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com><048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1B49.7010000@maltzen.net> <054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <40FD2E05.203@maltzen.net> Here's a way to automate generating the public ssh keys for all your users. Below is an expect script that answers the prompts to ssh-keygen: #!/usr/bin/expect -f # # auto_ssh-keygen : automates ssh-keygen so you can generate public # keys for many users spawn ssh-keygen -t dsa match_max 100000 expect -exact "ssh/id_dsa): " send -- "\r" expect -exact "Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase): " send -- "\r" expect -exact "Enter same passphrase again: " send -- "\r" expect eof Copy that into a file called auto_ssh-keygen, put it in, say, /usr/local/bin and make it executable. Then you can do something like this at a prompt: for x in `ls /home` do su - $x -c /usr/local/bin/auto_ssh-keygen done This will create a public key for each user, in his/her ~/.ssh/ directory, called id_dsa.pub. Copy that to the user's ~/.ssh/ directory on the Solaris box, and then you should be able to have an icon or menu selection that calls 'ssh solaris_host /path/to/staroffice'. I *think* expect is installed by default on RH boxes, but if not, it's easy to install. HTH Petre John Simovic wrote: > Thanks Peter but I have over 1000 users so this idea is not appealing to me > atm. Has to be another way? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petre Scheie" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? > > > >>I think you'll have to setup all the other users with ssh-with-no-password > > in > >>order for them to be able to call SO by just clicking an icon. So, > > perhaps this > >>would work (this is off the top of my head) and I think you could script > > it: > >>As root on the linux box, do for each user >>1. su - to user >>2. ssh-keygen -t dsa >>3. cd .ssh/ >>4. cp id_dsa.pub authorized_keys2 >>5. repeat for next user >> >>Then you could nfs mount the user's home directories on the Solaris box. > > I > >>havent' tried this to verify it would work. If it doesn't, then you'd > > have to > >>replace step #4 with copying the id_dsa.pub key to >>solaris:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2. >> >>Or you could toss security to the wind and allow rsh and call SO via that. > > But > >>getting that set up would probably take as much work as doing it through > > ssh, so > >>you might as well take the ssh route. >> >>Petre >> >>John Simovic wrote: >> >>>Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a > > link > >>>(script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another >>>(SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to the >>>system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me > > but > >>>what about for all users? >>> >>>Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Tue Jul 20 15:46:03 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:46:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work Message-ID: <20040720154603.13815.qmail@hoster900.com> I installed K12LTSP all anew on my server, and plugged in my testing thin client (an old IBM P3 with a bootable network card). However, I am running into a couple of problems. DHCP never communicates with the computer I'm working on. The MAC address comes up, and it searches, and finally I get a message that says, "PXE51 --No bootp or DHCP found. Failed to load boot image." When I go to the telecom room, I find that, invariably, the server has crashed. I figure this has got to be a hardware incompatibility somewhere? Maybe? I tried switching out the NIC in the client, with the same results. I've tried tampering with DHCPD.conf, I've tried taking down and loosening the firewall, I tried both static and dynamic IP assignments... I am guessing that as soon as the server is getting messages from the client, it freezes, and that's why I'm not getting my boot image. But I'm not sure why... Any suggestions as to what I can try next? My specs: Server: P4 2.6 GHz 1 gig ram 80 gig IDE harddrive built in LAN (intel mobo) and a 3 Com Etherlink card as the second NIC Client: IBM P3 340 MB ram Intel NIC card 10/100 Any suggestions highly appreciated. Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 20 15:56:57 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (David Huckaby) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:56:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates In-Reply-To: <1090294206.6264.261.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090265660.2653.20.camel@server.ltsp> <40FC3B8D.4040701@paasda.org> <1090294206.6264.261.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40FD40C9.3060906@paasda.org> not sure what a C3 proc is... it is an Intel P4 2.4 GHz Gustav Kramer wrote: > Huck, > > Your "test machine" wouldn't happen to have a C3 processor would it? > > - gus > > On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 14:22, David Huckaby wrote: > >>meaning the next build will be the full release maybe? =) >> >>My only issue was that installing from CD on my test machine it >>continually rebooted no matter which option was selected... >> >>I tried on a different workstation with the same disc set and it worked >>flawlessly =) >> >>the 'everything' option I noticed increased hd usage considerably from >>4.0.1... 1 or 2 gigs larger I believe...7.2 gigs I think was the >>everything install on 4.1.0 beta >> >>--Huck >> >> >>Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>>So far, everything is looking pretty good with the K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta. >>> >>>I've uploaded new packages that fix the few bugs that have been found so >>>far. In particular, Jim figured out what was causing problems with >>>etherboot booted terminals. >>> >>>You can use apt/up2date/yum to install the packages. >>> >>>New ISO images will be uploaded after I finish verifying that they were >>>built correctly. >>> >>> >>>I did introduce one new bug: the ltspadmin utility no longer shows the >>>LTSP packages as being installed (it should show that all packages are >>>installed). I'll fix this minor little bug in the next build... >>> >>>-Eric >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Tue Jul 20 16:04:29 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:04:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work In-Reply-To: <20040720154603.13815.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040720154603.13815.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <1090339468.26705.3.camel@localhost> Kristin, Does your server give any error message? Perhaps you could check /var/log/messages and see if that sheds any light on the situation. Another idea is to move your thin client to a place were you can watch both it and the server. That might be a bit more difficult than just checking the log though. I've never run into the server crashing on any of my tests that I've run. This probably isn't much help, sorry. :( -Calvin On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 11:46, Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > I installed K12LTSP all anew on my server, and plugged in my testing > thin client (an old IBM P3 with a bootable network card). However, I > am running into a couple of problems. DHCP never communicates with the > computer I'm working on. The MAC address comes up, and it searches, > and finally I get a message that says, "PXE51 --No bootp or DHCP > found. Failed to load boot image." > > When I go to the telecom room, I find that, invariably, the server has > crashed. I figure this has got to be a hardware incompatibility > somewhere? Maybe? I tried switching out the NIC in the client, with > the same results. > > I've tried tampering with DHCPD.conf, I've tried taking down and > loosening the firewall, I tried both static and dynamic IP > assignments... > > I am guessing that as soon as the server is getting messages from the > client, it freezes, and that's why I'm not getting my boot image. But > I'm not sure why... Any suggestions as to what I can try next? > > My specs: > > Server: > > P4 2.6 GHz > 1 gig ram > 80 gig IDE harddrive > built in LAN (intel mobo) and a 3 Com Etherlink card as the second NIC > > Client: > > IBM P3 > 340 MB ram > Intel NIC card 10/100 > > Any suggestions highly appreciated. > > Kristin > > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jul 20 16:27:20 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:27:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Smart Cards Message-ID: Hi All, Has anyone used smart cards for authentication with ltsp? Thanks Lewis From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Tue Jul 20 16:32:59 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:32:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work Message-ID: <20040720163259.9019.qmail@hoster900.com> The last message I get is this: server xinetd[5128]: warning: can't get client address: Transport endpoint is not connected Any ideas what that could mean? I've doubled checked that everything is plugged in to everything else... Actually, I take that back, I'm getting this message on eth1 Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (my server's IP address is here). Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth1. If this is not what Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: you want, please write a subnet declaration Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: to which interface eth1 is attached. ** I don't see where I should be putting my subnet declaration in dhcpd.conf... eth1 does activate on boot though. Any clues? Thanks all... Kristin -------Original Message------- > From: Calvin Park > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work > Sent: Jul 20 2004 11:04:29 > > Kristin, > Does your server give any error message? Perhaps you could check > /var/log/messages and see if that sheds any light on the situation. > Another idea is to move your thin client to a place were you can watch > both it and the server. That might be a bit more difficult than just > checking the log though. I've never run into the server crashing on any > of my tests that I've run. > This probably isn't much help, sorry. :( > > -Calvin > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jul 20 16:33:08 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:33:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work In-Reply-To: <20040720154603.13815.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040720154603.13815.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <7B95B208-DA6A-11D8-9D19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Kristen, I do not have the same problem. But it is similar. I have a dhcp server that crashed when a dhcp request was made. It was not an ltsp issue. It turns out that one of the NICs in the dhcp server was bad and network traffic between the two interfaces caused the machine to lock up and crash. Hope that helps Lewis On Jul 20, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > I installed K12LTSP all anew on my server, and plugged in my testing > thin client (an old IBM P3 with a bootable network card). However, I > am running into a couple of problems. DHCP never communicates with the > computer I'm working on. The MAC address comes up, and it searches, > and finally I get a message that says, "PXE51 --No bootp or DHCP > found. Failed to load boot image." > > When I go to the telecom room, I find that, invariably, the server > has crashed. I figure this has got to be a hardware incompatibility > somewhere? Maybe? I tried switching out the NIC in the client, with > the same results. > > I've tried tampering with DHCPD.conf, I've tried taking down and > loosening the firewall, I tried both static and dynamic IP > assignments... > > I am guessing that as soon as the server is getting messages from the > client, it freezes, and that's why I'm not getting my boot image. But > I'm not sure why... Any suggestions as to what I can try next? > > My specs: > > Server: > > P4 2.6 GHz > 1 gig ram > 80 gig IDE harddrive > built in LAN (intel mobo) and a 3 Com Etherlink card as the second NIC > > Client: > > IBM P3 > 340 MB ram > Intel NIC card 10/100 > > Any suggestions highly appreciated. > > Kristin > > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Tue Jul 20 16:32:25 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:32:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work In-Reply-To: <20040720154603.13815.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040720154603.13815.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <620D3FE0-DA6A-11D8-9D19-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Kristen, I do not have the same problem. But it is similar. I have a dhcp server that crashed when a dhcp request was made. It was not an ltsp issue. It turns out that one of the NICs in the dhcp server was bad and network traffic between the two interfaces caused the machine to lock up and crash. Hope that helps Lewis On Jul 20, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > I installed K12LTSP all anew on my server, and plugged in my testing > thin client (an old IBM P3 with a bootable network card). However, I > am running into a couple of problems. DHCP never communicates with the > computer I'm working on. The MAC address comes up, and it searches, > and finally I get a message that says, "PXE51 --No bootp or DHCP > found. Failed to load boot image." > > When I go to the telecom room, I find that, invariably, the server > has crashed. I figure this has got to be a hardware incompatibility > somewhere? Maybe? I tried switching out the NIC in the client, with > the same results. > > I've tried tampering with DHCPD.conf, I've tried taking down and > loosening the firewall, I tried both static and dynamic IP > assignments... > > I am guessing that as soon as the server is getting messages from the > client, it freezes, and that's why I'm not getting my boot image. But > I'm not sure why... Any suggestions as to what I can try next? > > My specs: > > Server: > > P4 2.6 GHz > 1 gig ram > 80 gig IDE harddrive > built in LAN (intel mobo) and a 3 Com Etherlink card as the second NIC > > Client: > > IBM P3 > 340 MB ram > Intel NIC card 10/100 > > Any suggestions highly appreciated. > > Kristin > > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From haysja at sages.us Tue Jul 20 16:46:03 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:46:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work In-Reply-To: <20040720163259.9019.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040720163259.9019.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <40FD4C4B.1060106@sages.us> I am guessing here....... Do you have your client PHYSICALLY removed from the rest of your network? Do you have another DHCP server running. Try this: Connect the LOCAL NIC from your K12LTSP server directly to a 5 port switch. Connect the client to the same 5 port switch. Then try. I don't think that the client computer is "seeing" the server. Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > The last message I get is this: server xinetd[5128]: warning: can't > get client address: Transport endpoint is not connected > > Any ideas what that could mean? I've doubled checked that everything > is plugged in to everything else... > > Actually, I take that back, I'm getting this message on eth1 > > Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (my > server's IP address is here). > Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth1. If this is > not what > Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: you want, please write a subnet declaration > Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: in your dhcpd.conf file for the network > segment > Jul 20 11:14:33 server dhcpd: to which interface eth1 is attached. ** > > I don't see where I should be putting my subnet declaration in > dhcpd.conf... eth1 does activate on boot though. Any clues? > > Thanks all... > > Kristin > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Calvin Park > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work > > Sent: Jul 20 2004 11:04:29 > > > > Kristin, > > Does your server give any error message? Perhaps you could check > > /var/log/messages and see if that sheds any light on the situation. > > Another idea is to move your thin client to a place were you can watch > > both it and the server. That might be a bit more difficult than just > > checking the log though. I've never run into the server crashing on any > > of my tests that I've run. > > This probably isn't much help, sorry. :( > > > > -Calvin > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Tue Jul 20 18:23:51 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:23:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Having a heck of a time getting K12LTSP to work part two Message-ID: <20040720182351.1799.qmail@hoster900.com> Hi all, sorry to take up so much of your time. I switched out my NIC in the server... I think that I was having a hardware problem because I started hanging on boot up with the NIC (installed a good one and the hanging stopped). However, I tried to restart DHCP and I'm getting error messages saying that I need to specify a submask. At this point, I think I over-altered my dhcpd.conf file. Could someone possibly send me a sample dhcpd.conf? Neither my dhcpd.conf or the backup seem to be working. I'm so sorry.... I feel like an idiot with this. I'm fairly new to Linux so the learning curve is steep (fun, but steep). thanks Kristin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfaletra at sau16.org Tue Jul 20 20:54:36 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:54:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Client serial port Message-ID: Is it possible to use the serial port on a thin client? We want to be able to upload and download data from a palm. The only way to do so in Linux (apparently) is via a serial connection. Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Tue Jul 20 21:25:53 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:25:53 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com><048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1B49.7010000@maltzen.net><054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1ECB.8030102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <055b01c46ea0$232c6030$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> No unfortunately. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? > Do the users all have accounts on the Solaris box already? > > John Simovic wrote: > > Thanks Peter but I have over 1000 users so this idea is not appealing to me > > atm. Has to be another way? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petre Scheie" > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? > > > > > > > >>I think you'll have to setup all the other users with ssh-with-no-password > > > > in > > > >>order for them to be able to call SO by just clicking an icon. So, > > > > perhaps this > > > >>would work (this is off the top of my head) and I think you could script > > > > it: > > > >>As root on the linux box, do for each user > >>1. su - to user > >>2. ssh-keygen -t dsa > >>3. cd .ssh/ > >>4. cp id_dsa.pub authorized_keys2 > >>5. repeat for next user > >> > >>Then you could nfs mount the user's home directories on the Solaris box. > > > > I > > > >>havent' tried this to verify it would work. If it doesn't, then you'd > > > > have to > > > >>replace step #4 with copying the id_dsa.pub key to > >>solaris:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2. > >> > >>Or you could toss security to the wind and allow rsh and call SO via that. > > > > But > > > >>getting that set up would probably take as much work as doing it through > > > > ssh, so > > > >>you might as well take the ssh route. > >> > >>Petre > >> > >>John Simovic wrote: > >> > >>>Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a > > > > link > > > >>>(script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another > >>>(SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to the > >>>system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me > > > > but > > > >>>what about for all users? > >>> > >>>Thanks in advance. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 20 21:34:10 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:34:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? In-Reply-To: <055b01c46ea0$232c6030$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com><048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1B49.7010000@maltzen.net><054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1ECB.8030102@maltzen.net> <055b01c46ea0$232c6030$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <40FD8FD2.8090209@maltzen.net> Then I'd look into implementing NIS or LDAP on the Solaris box so that the users can each have an account on it. NIS would probably be easier, but LDAP is the more modern approach; there's been some discussion on this list lately about implementing LDAP; I think someone wrote a how-to recently. Then you can try my initial suggestion, of NFS mounting the /home directories from the LTSP server onto the Solaris box. You'll still have to go through the steps of generating the public keys for ssh for each user. Petre John Simovic wrote: > No unfortunately. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petre Scheie" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? > > > >>Do the users all have accounts on the Solaris box already? >> >>John Simovic wrote: >> >>>Thanks Peter but I have over 1000 users so this idea is not appealing to > > me > >>>atm. Has to be another way? >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Petre Scheie" >>>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:16 PM >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I think you'll have to setup all the other users with > > ssh-with-no-password > >>>in >>> >>> >>>>order for them to be able to call SO by just clicking an icon. So, >>> >>>perhaps this >>> >>> >>>>would work (this is off the top of my head) and I think you could script >>> >>>it: >>> >>> >>>>As root on the linux box, do for each user >>>>1. su - to user >>>>2. ssh-keygen -t dsa >>>>3. cd .ssh/ >>>>4. cp id_dsa.pub authorized_keys2 >>>>5. repeat for next user >>>> >>>>Then you could nfs mount the user's home directories on the Solaris box. >>> >>>I >>> >>> >>>>havent' tried this to verify it would work. If it doesn't, then you'd >>> >>>have to >>> >>> >>>>replace step #4 with copying the id_dsa.pub key to >>>>solaris:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2. >>>> >>>>Or you could toss security to the wind and allow rsh and call SO via > > that. > >>>But >>> >>> >>>>getting that set up would probably take as much work as doing it through >>> >>>ssh, so >>> >>> >>>>you might as well take the ssh route. >>>> >>>>Petre >>>> >>>>John Simovic wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a >>> >>>link >>> >>> >>>>>(script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another >>>>>(SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to > > the > >>>>>system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me >>> >>>but >>> >>> >>>>>what about for all users? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 20 21:46:51 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:46:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? In-Reply-To: <40FD8FD2.8090209@maltzen.net> References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetworks.com><048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1B49.7010000@maltzen.net><054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD1ECB.8030102@maltzen.net> <055b01c46ea0$232c6030$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> <40FD8FD2.8090209@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <40FD92CB.4050405@paasda.org> Petre Scheie wrote: > Then I'd look into implementing NIS or LDAP on the Solaris box so that > the users can each have an account on it. NIS would probably be > easier, but LDAP is the more modern approach; there's been some > discussion on this list lately about implementing LDAP; I think > someone wrote a how-to recently. Then you can try my initial > suggestion, of NFS mounting the /home directories from the LTSP server > onto the Solaris box. You'll still have to go through the steps of > generating the public keys for ssh for each user. > > Petre > > > not my howto..but I'll post it .. Hi all, I have posted a new revision of my Samba-LDAP how-to doc based on some recent experiences loading (and reloading) my Samba/LDAP server. You can find it in various formats...here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.html http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP-v2.pdf http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.sxw http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.doc Now....I will be on vacation the next two weeks....I have an assignment for all of you :-) I tried to merge the ACL and security stuff from Derek Dresser's how to located at http://network.gouldacademy.org/randomfiles/newSamba3LDAP.rtf or http://network.gouldacademy.org/randomfiles/newSamba3LDAP.pdf I was unable to get it to work...had trouble getting the "security" ldif stuff to "take". (didn't spend too much time on it either) If you can get it to work...please detail the steps (very detailed) and merge them into this document and give yourself credit....I'd like to add that part and also get it to work on my own system. Please....add feedback...make changes...etc. This document is also Open Source :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Tue Jul 20 22:20:53 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? In-Reply-To: <054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> References: <200407172037.i6HKbJm15351@downeast.net> <40F9B886.5080206@cmosnetwork s.com><048801c46e55$4f1d6ae0$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re><40FD1B49.7010000 @maltzen.net> <054701c46e5c$15e19b50$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <4931.69.82.8.81.1090362053.squirrel@bastion.turtle.com> > Thanks Peter but I have over 1000 users so this idea is not appealing to > me > atm. Has to be another way? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petre Scheie" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Running remote apps on ltsp? > > >> I think you'll have to setup all the other users with >> ssh-with-no-password > in >> order for them to be able to call SO by just clicking an icon. So, > perhaps this >> would work (this is off the top of my head) and I think you could script > it: >> >> As root on the linux box, do for each user >> 1. su - to user >> 2. ssh-keygen -t dsa >> 3. cd .ssh/ >> 4. cp id_dsa.pub authorized_keys2 >> 5. repeat for next user >> >> Then you could nfs mount the user's home directories on the Solaris box. > I >> havent' tried this to verify it would work. If it doesn't, then you'd > have to >> replace step #4 with copying the id_dsa.pub key to >> solaris:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2. >> >> Or you could toss security to the wind and allow rsh and call SO via >> that. > But >> getting that set up would probably take as much work as doing it through > ssh, so >> you might as well take the ssh route. >> >> Petre >> >> John Simovic wrote: >> > Here is what I want to do: In icewm (on the menu bar), I would like a > link >> > (script) which calls StarOffice Writer for example running on another >> > (SOlaris) server to be able to be invoked by any user who logs on to >> the >> > system. How do I achieve this? SSh with no password works fine for me > but >> > what about for all users? >> > > Well ,all the users have already ssh keys, right? add the public keys to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. run ssh-add at login time and you can run anything as asily as with rsh, but securely. julius From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 20 22:21:54 2004 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (CORY CARTWRIGHT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ppp0 failure In-Reply-To: <40FB0A13.2090909@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040720222154.90258.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> Tony, are you sure than the new card came up? Most likly the new card now became eth0 and the origanal became eth1. hope this helps, anthony baldwin wrote: TONY wrote: > I added a second ethernet card because I wanted to network my PC with > this iBook (not that I've the slightest idea how). > Since adding the second card to the machine, I am unable to bring up > ppp0 to connect to adsl. > I ran adsl-setup again, and it is still setup up for eth0 (as it was > before), so I can't figure why the second card would interfere, but I've > changed nothing else. > Am I stupid? > Using 4.0.1 still. > > tony Okay, removing the second card and rerunning adsl-setup returned previous functionality. All the same, I'm disappointed. I want to network this machine with my iBook so I can share files, internet and printer. I must be doing something wrong. I've never tried to do this kind of thing before. Where's there a how to? Most information I find seems to assume that I know stuff that I don't already know. tony > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 20 23:43:51 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:43:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, build #2 Message-ID: <1090367031.2653.55.camel@server.ltsp> It slices, it dices, it has even seen a little bit of testing! I uploaded new K12LTSP 4.1.0beta 1 ISO images & added the new packages to the apt/up2date/yum repositories. This build fixes the show-stopping etherboot booting bug (thanks Jim!) and a whole lot of little stuff. Please give this baby a spin and let us know of any and all bugs you run across. Since this is a beta, don't run it on a production system, blah, blah, blah ;-) rsync -Pv k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/* . ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.0beta/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 21 01:16:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:16:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone seen this error? Message-ID: <40FDC3E0.2030200@paasda.org> ERROR: 8180:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 01 ERROR: 8198:Failed to load processor microcode ERROR: 8181:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 02 ERROR: 8198:Failed to load processor microcode This is on one of my new Dual Xeon boxes...at startup I can Press to resume or to run setup not sure what I'd be changing in setup for this error didn't find anything googling that made any sense either --Huck From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 21 02:17:56 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:17:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp packages for RHEL3 Message-ID: <2E088E4B-DABC-11D8-BC4E-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Any idea when the packages for RHEL 3 will be comming out. We are considering deploying it, but I'd like to have a timeline to look at. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD90jgACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTfxQCeNpiSKosY9uvrxKwl7W5ZtCJB 3KMAn1WWAXwE8/1dYRWSPzCXRjaMKZm4 =0Mkz - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD90lQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTMPQCeIu3s59KQoWFPxWTPaUkRKR3M xH0AmQHsgjStItX2BaEpmubr16GTXqae =h5IM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mej at mindspring.com Wed Jul 21 05:30:29 2004 From: mej at mindspring.com (Michael E. Jaggers) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:30:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone seen this error? In-Reply-To: <40FDC3E0.2030200@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200407210532.i6L5W8Xn020511@mx3.redhat.com> In <40FDC3E0.2030200 at paasda.org>, on 07/20/04 at 06:16 PM, Huck said: >ERROR: >8180:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 01 ERROR: >8198:Failed to load processor microcode >ERROR: >8181:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 02 ERROR: >8198:Failed to load processor microcode >This is on one of my new Dual Xeon boxes...at startup >I can Press to resume or to run setup >not sure what I'd be changing in setup for this error >didn't find anything googling that made any sense either It is a BIOS issue. Check the motherboard manufacturer to see if there is an updated BIOS for your MB. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Michael E. Jaggers" ----------------------------------------------------------- From will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 07:23:23 2004 From: will.scurrell at bcuc.ac.uk (Will Scurrell) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:23:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone seen this error? In-Reply-To: <40FDC3E0.2030200@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200407210723.IAA07904@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> Does the same error present its self with HyperThreding turned on and off? Will -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: 21 July 2004 02:16 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] anyone seen this error? ERROR: 8180:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 01 ERROR: 8198:Failed to load processor microcode ERROR: 8181:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 02 ERROR: 8198:Failed to load processor microcode This is on one of my new Dual Xeon boxes...at startup I can Press to resume or to run setup not sure what I'd be changing in setup for this error didn't find anything googling that made any sense either --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Jul 21 09:04:29 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:04:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ppp0 failure In-Reply-To: <20040720222154.90258.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040720222154.90258.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40FE319D.7080609@snet.net> CORY CARTWRIGHT wrote: > Tony, are you sure than the new card came up? Most likly the new card > now became eth0 and the origanal became eth1. How does one know which card is eth0 and eth1? I tried switching the cable from one card to the other, but that didn't seem to make a difference. tony > > hope this helps, > > > */anthony baldwin /* wrote: > > TONY wrote: > > I added a second ethernet card because I wanted to network my PC > with > > this iBook (not that I've the slightest idea how). > > Since adding the second card to the machine, I am unable to bring up > > ppp0 to connect to adsl. > > I ran adsl-setup again, and it is still setup up for eth0 (as it was > > before), so I can't figure why the second card would interfere, > but I've > > changed nothing else. > > Am I stupid? > > Using 4.0.1 still. > > > > tony > > Okay, removing the second card and rerunning adsl-setup returned > previous functionality. > All the same, I'm disappointed. I want to network this machine with my > iBook so I can share files, internet and printer. > I must be doing something wrong. I've never tried to do this kind of > thing before. > Where's there a how to? Most information I fin! d seems to assume > that I > know stuff that I don't already know. > > tony > > > > > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 21 12:49:07 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:49:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ppp0 failure In-Reply-To: <40FE319D.7080609@snet.net> Message-ID: If both cards are the same, it's hard to tell short of connecting just one and trying to ping it from another location. If they are different, you can look at the settings and tell by brand. I usually mark them on the back of the computer when I install them. Doug On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > CORY CARTWRIGHT wrote: > > Tony, are you sure than the new card came up? Most likly the new card > > now became eth0 and the origanal became eth1. > > > How does one know which card is eth0 and eth1? > I tried switching the cable from one card to the other, but that didn't > seem to make a difference. > > tony > > > > > hope this helps, > > > > > > */anthony baldwin /* wrote: > > > > TONY wrote: > > > I added a second ethernet card because I wanted to network my PC > > with > > > this iBook (not that I've the slightest idea how). > > > Since adding the second card to the machine, I am unable to bring up > > > ppp0 to connect to adsl. > > > I ran adsl-setup again, and it is still setup up for eth0 (as it was > > > before), so I can't figure why the second card would interfere, > > but I've > > > changed nothing else. > > > Am I stupid? > > > Using 4.0.1 still. > > > > > > tony > > > > Okay, removing the second card and rerunning adsl-setup returned > > previous functionality. > > All the same, I'm disappointed. I want to network this machine with my > > iBook so I can share files, internet and printer. > > I must be doing something wrong. I've never tried to do this kind of > > thing before. > > Where's there a how to? Most information I fin! d seems to assume > > that I > > know stuff that I don't already know. > > > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Anthony Baldwin > > http://www.School-Library.net > > Freedom to Learn! > > > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jul 21 12:55:29 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:25:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] ppp0 failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090414528.9371.12.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 18:19, Doug Simpson wrote: > If both cards are the same, it's hard to tell short of connecting just one > and trying to ping it from another location. > > If they are different, you can look at the settings and tell by brand. I > usually mark them on the back of the computer when I install them. > > Doug > > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > > > CORY CARTWRIGHT wrote: > > > Tony, are you sure than the new card came up? Most likly the new card > > > now became eth0 and the origanal became eth1. > > > > > > How does one know which card is eth0 and eth1? > > I tried switching the cable from one card to the other, but that didn't > > seem to make a difference. In my experience the card that is put in the slot nearest to the power supply (typical PC box) is the one which will be eth0 and the next eth1. You ca change this by running: #neat using edit menu and bind (fixing) the mac address to the interface you want. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Wed Jul 21 15:46:35 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:46:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I got it working, thanks, now about X configuration Message-ID: <20040721154636.32735.qmail@hoster900.com> Hi all, With a trip out of the telecom room (I think I was getting some interference from other electronics down there) and a new hub, I managed to get my server to communicate and boot the client. No crashes. Thanks for all the help and suggestions. However, I am running a diamond multimedia with a Savage4 Pro chip video card in the client, and X doesn't seem to want to work with it. I've fiddled a little bit with changing the resolutions and such, and will continue to do so. Any suggestions to get this working? Also, I have had it drilled into my head to never run as root. It is acceptable to run the server off my user account, isn't it? I don't like having root available to any one who walks by my keyboard. thanks Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Wed Jul 21 15:50:32 2004 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:50:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ignore my X post Message-ID: <20040721155032.2738.qmail@hoster900.com> I got it working.... This is cool! thanks Kristin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 21 16:25:20 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:25:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I got it working, thanks, now about X configuration In-Reply-To: <20040721154636.32735.qmail@hoster900.com> References: <20040721154636.32735.qmail@hoster900.com> Message-ID: <1090427119.13722.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 10:46, Kristin Shoemaker wrote: > Also, I have had it drilled into my head to never run as root. It is > acceptable to run the server off my user account, isn't it? I don't > like having root available to any one who walks by my keyboard. The server doesn't need anyone logged in at all. It won't hurt it other than consuming some resources to run a user session on the console but you might want to fix ctl-alt-delete to not reboot the machine if the keyboard is out where anyone can do it. Also, it is easy enough to bring the machine up in single user mode if you can reboot it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 21 16:58:12 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:58:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone seen this error? In-Reply-To: <200407210723.IAA07904@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> References: <200407210723.IAA07904@deborah.buckscol.ac.uk> Message-ID: <40FEA0A4.1050309@paasda.org> Hyper threading off results in the same error... The bios is the latest available from Intel... --Huck Will Scurrell wrote: > Does the same error present its self with HyperThreding turned on and off? > > Will > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Huck > Sent: 21 July 2004 02:16 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] anyone seen this error? > > ERROR: > 8180:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 01 > ERROR: > 8198:Failed to load processor microcode > ERROR: > 8181:Bios does not support current stepping for Processor 02 > ERROR: > 8198:Failed to load processor microcode > > This is on one of my new Dual Xeon boxes...at startup I can Press to > resume or to run setup > > not sure what I'd be changing in setup for this error > > didn't find anything googling that made any sense either > > > --Huck > From gjkramer at shaw.ca Wed Jul 21 17:35:50 2004 From: gjkramer at shaw.ca (GUSTAV KRAMER) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:35:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates Message-ID: <12517be124ef98.124ef9812517be@shaw.ca> Via C3 processors used on their Mini-itx boards and probably other boards as well exhibited the same behavior that you described. There was a patch released which involved booting off an alternate FC2 bootup disk then swapping in the original install disk. AFAIK Intel chips weren't affected. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Huckaby Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:56 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1 updates > not sure what a C3 proc is... it is an Intel P4 2.4 GHz > > > Gustav Kramer wrote: > > > Huck, > > > > Your "test machine" wouldn't happen to have a C3 processor would it? > > > > - gus > > > > On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 14:22, David Huckaby wrote: > > > >>meaning the next build will be the full release maybe? =) > >> > >>My only issue was that installing from CD on my test machine it > >>continually rebooted no matter which option was selected... > >> > >>I tried on a different workstation with the same disc set and it > worked > >>flawlessly =) > >> > >>the 'everything' option I noticed increased hd usage > considerably from > >>4.0.1... 1 or 2 gigs larger I believe...7.2 gigs I think was the > >>everything install on 4.1.0 beta > >> > >>--Huck > >> > >> > >>Eric Harrison wrote: > >> > >>>So far, everything is looking pretty good with the K12LTSP > 4.1.0 beta. > >>> > >>>I've uploaded new packages that fix the few bugs that have been > found so > >>>far. In particular, Jim figured out what was causing problems with > >>>etherboot booted terminals. > >>> > >>>You can use apt/up2date/yum to install the packages. > >>> > >>>New ISO images will be uploaded after I finish verifying that > they were > >>>built correctly. > >>> > >>> > >>>I did introduce one new bug: the ltspadmin utility no longer > shows the > >>>LTSP packages as being installed (it should show that all > packages are > >>>installed). I'll fix this minor little bug in the next build... > >>> > >>>-Eric > >>> > >>> > >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From lewis at pcc.com Wed Jul 21 19:00:40 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:00:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nut and APC UPS devices Message-ID: <427F6DA4-DB48-11D8-B4B0-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Hi all, I have installed nut but am having some config issues. I have reviewed the documentation and still can not get the deamon to start. I get a usage error. Does anyone use APC smart UPS units? If so could someone post an example ups.conf file. Thanks Lewis From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Jul 21 20:08:28 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:08:28 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] nut and APC UPS devices In-Reply-To: <427F6DA4-DB48-11D8-B4B0-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <427F6DA4-DB48-11D8-B4B0-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <1090440508.4692.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 16:00, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > I have installed nut but am having some config issues. I have reviewed > the documentation and still can not get the deamon to start. I get a > usage error. Does anyone use APC smart UPS units? If so could someone > post an example ups.conf file. I used nut with an apc ups for a number of weeks and ran into a problem. Every 14 days that UPS would test the usb connection and the server would shut down after a couple of minutes. I switched to apcupsd (http://www.apcupsd.com) and it has worked great (shortly after I changed over we had power fluctuations during lightning storms and a tractor that backed into a pole). The documentation is great, even very good test procedures to ensure that it works. You may need some of the nut features, but I am happy with apcupsd! Tim From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Jul 22 13:25:01 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:25:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? Message-ID: <001e01c46fef$4ade3540$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Jul 22, 2004, at 8:33 AM, Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > ? > I have got my K12LTSP Server now 90% works authenticating to my Novell > Netware 6 server, BUT > the only problem I seem to be having is with NDS users with all > numbers in there username... > ? > In the UK every student is given a candidate number witch is with them > throughout the academic > lives.. we use this as there Login names... > The problem is that if I try to login 2 one of our Thin Clients as one > of the students it fails... > but if I try to login with a user in the same context but with letters > in the name, it works fine... > ? > Has anyone seen this type of thing before ? or can anyone please point > me in the correct > direction ? > ? > Best Regards > ? > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD/w/kACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQFdgCfT6eltMsjycpzsni2X1fCRCyN kekAn1F7eDJw36SmcoJCYAZ4rC+szN7y =WTw4 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkD/xAEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRUnQCdGiUPCnwQ1hPLrovGco0UjST1 EY0An2ADiOmdIyeEn0o6uSsjs+CO2Svx =sIl2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Jul 22 13:41:13 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:41:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & Novell Working, But 1 last thing In-Reply-To: <04Jul22.153509cest.87158@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Jul22.153509cest.87158@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <2754.195.84.143.98.1090503673.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Hello! That sounds very peculiar to me. You might try tailing the file /var/log/secure by issuing this command in a terminal as root: tail -f /var/log/secure That way you can see all communication going on between the linux box and the netware box. There should be some clues there. It is also a good thing to read the documentation to ncpfs and as a last resort contact the developer in charge. /cheers! > Hi All... > > I have got my K12LTSP Server now 90% works authenticating to my Novell > Netware 6 server, BUT > the only problem I seem to be having is with NDS users with all numbers in > there username... > > In the UK every student is given a candidate number witch is with them > throughout the academic > lives.. we use this as there Login names... > The problem is that if I try to login 2 one of our Thin Clients as one of > the students it fails... > but if I try to login with a user in the same context but with letters in > the name, it works fine... > > Has anyone seen this type of thing before ? or can anyone please point me > in the correct > direction ? > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541_______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jul 22 13:52:22 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:52:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? In-Reply-To: <001e01c46fef$4ade3540$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001e01c46fef$4ade3540$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40FFC696.5020101@inlandlakes.org> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite It seems quite quiet. :) (come on, this is an educators list -- I HAD to pick on you for the spelling. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From accessys at smart.net Thu Jul 22 14:03:15 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? In-Reply-To: <40FFC696.5020101@inlandlakes.org> References: <001e01c46fef$4ade3540$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> <40FFC696.5020101@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite > > It seems quite quiet. :) shhhhhhhhhhh, you might wake em Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Jul 22 14:14:16 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:14:16 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? In-Reply-To: <001e01c46fef$4ade3540$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <001e01c46fef$4ade3540$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <40FFCBB8.8070905@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > > Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite > oooohh. you won't get away with a mistake like that on a list of teachers! -JC From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Thu Jul 22 14:06:23 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:06:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55DD@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> *gets scalpel* OK now class, lets dissect this email and show the originatorperson up for exactly what they are! :) Gavin - you spelt your full-stops completely wrong :p -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Carter [mailto:jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org] Sent: 22 July 2004 15:14 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quite ? Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi All... > > Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite > oooohh. you won't get away with a mistake like that on a list of teachers! -JC _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. 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From toddobryan at mac.com Thu Jul 22 14:59:34 2004 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:59:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Slightly OT] OS alternative for LanSchool/NetSchool Support? Message-ID: Anyone have an open source, freely downloadable, piece of software for broadcasting a teacher screen to a class and letting the teacher view the class screens? I know such software exists for a terminal server, but I have a Win XP lab that I'm not likely to be able to switch soon, and need something for that environment. I did a google search, but since I don't know what exactly you would call such software, I'm not sure if I got good results. Thanks much, Todd From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jul 22 15:14:16 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:14:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [Slightly OT] OS alternative for LanSchool/NetSchool Support? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: VNC works for that as far as viewing the studen't screens from the teacher's computers. And I think there is something called a VNC reflector that will allow you to put a single screen multiple places, although I have never played with that and not sure how it works. I use VNC here for a lot of things. . . Doug On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Anyone have an open source, freely downloadable, piece of software for > broadcasting a teacher screen to a class and letting the teacher view > the class screens? I know such software exists for a terminal server, > but I have a Win XP lab that I'm not likely to be able to switch soon, > and need something for that environment. > > I did a google search, but since I don't know what exactly you would > call such software, I'm not sure if I got good results. > > Thanks much, > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From haysja at sages.us Thu Jul 22 15:14:33 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:14:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Slightly OT] OS alternative for LanSchool/NetSchool Support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40FFD9D9.60004@sages.us> VNC should do this with some heavy duty tweaking. You may consider biting the bullet and buying Altiris Vision. Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Anyone have an open source, freely downloadable, piece of software for > broadcasting a teacher screen to a class and letting the teacher view > the class screens? I know such software exists for a terminal server, > but I have a Win XP lab that I'm not likely to be able to switch soon, > and need something for that environment. > > I did a google search, but since I don't know what exactly you would > call such software, I'm not sure if I got good results. > > Thanks much, > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jul 22 15:19:20 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:19:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [Slightly OT] OS alternative for LanSchool/NetSchool Support? In-Reply-To: <40FFD9D9.60004@sages.us> Message-ID: Or Synchroneyes. It allows the teacher to broadcast her screen to everyone, or ot broadcast a studen't computer to everyone else, or the teacher can "take over" a student's computer and run it. But it has some extra things, as well. It also allows you to make tests and quizzes and broadcast them to the students and they take the tests and it grades them automatically Doug On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > VNC should do this with some heavy duty tweaking. > > You may consider biting the bullet and buying Altiris Vision. > > Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > > Anyone have an open source, freely downloadable, piece of software for > > broadcasting a teacher screen to a class and letting the teacher view > > the class screens? I know such software exists for a terminal server, > > but I have a Win XP lab that I'm not likely to be able to switch soon, > > and need something for that environment. > > > > I did a google search, but since I don't know what exactly you would > > call such software, I'm not sure if I got good results. > > > > Thanks much, > > Todd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Jul 22 15:25:34 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:25:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages Message-ID: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> In the past years, while working with the evil empire of Microsoft, I was teaching among other things, two programming classes. One Grade 11 class using the medium of Visual Basic, and one grade 12 class using the medium of Java. I have managed to convince the school to let me break away from the evil empire and go to linux in the lab completely. Specifically, I am using K12LTSP with thin clients. I have 32 workstations all connecting to my server now,( a bit of work but worth it compared to the wiping out of workstation hard drives and reloading from scratch that I do every year during the summer) I have Java workable on the workstations and am using an IDE from SUN (NetBeans IDE 3.6) it works great! Now I am looking for a replacement for Visual Basic, which will never work under Linux. It doesn't have to be Visual Basic, I was just using it before because frankly, it was an easy to learn language with alot of mouse work. The operative word is EASY. That way I could focus on the concepts of programming without having to focus on learning the mechanics of the programming language. With Visual Basic the mechanics comes more or less naturally. What I would like is some language usable with linux that is of a similar nature. I would prefer a language that has a nice visual component (IDE, read EASY) so that the students introduction to programming is not like throwing them into the deep end of the pool of programming. Does such an animal exist? And did I mention that it should be free, at least for schools? I convinced them to let me go to Linux at least partially with the argument that cost was minimal, if anything. Please advice. 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Built to meet school needs, the HP 441 desktop solution has a pre-installed Mandrakelinux operating system, productivity applications, educational software, and a custom graphical user interface. Mandrakelinux was choosen for its increased reliability and enhanced security to minimise the maintenance of the computer in the classroom. The 441 can be used by 4 students at the same time, thus saving 50% of acquisition costs and 65% of maintenance costs. Each user can browse the Internet, send email, use educational software and run productivity and other applications. The HP 441 computer, which comes pre-loaded with Linux and ready to run, was first introduced in South-African schools, and will be introduced later in several other developing countries. "This 441 HP concept with Mandrakelinux is a proof that the IT TCO can be reduced by an important factor, for 0acquisition costs and maintenance costs as well", said Fran?ois Bancilhon, CEO of Mandrakelinux. Details about the HP 441 are available on: http://h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/techspec.html From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 16:21:56 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1309.10.49.11.243.1090513316.squirrel@10.49.11.243> Liam Marshall said: > Now I am looking for a replacement for Visual Basic, which will never > work under Linux. It doesn't have to be Visual Basic, I was just using > it before because frankly, it was an easy to learn language with alot of > mouse work. I've seen Python used in this regard, though there is a dearth of textbook-type material addressing it. There is a budding community growing around using it in a educational setting: http://www.python.org/sigs/edu-sig/ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From johnnyb at eskimo.com Thu Jul 22 16:25:09 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: > Now I am looking for a replacement for Visual Basic, which will never > work under Linux. It doesn't have to be Visual Basic, I was just using > it before because frankly, it was an easy to learn language with alot of > mouse work. The operative word is EASY. That way I could focus on the > concepts of programming without having to focus on learning the > mechanics of the programming language. With Visual Basic the mechanics > comes more or less naturally. There's several things I would look into. Personally, I think we should start kids with assembly language (see my book at http://www.cafeshops.com/bartlettpublish.8640017), but it doesn't seem an option here. Some environments that match your wishes are: * Python * Mono (I think you _Can_ do Visual Basic and C# w/ Mono, and also throw in SharpDevelop for an IDE) * Scheme is a personal favorite of mine. You can do it in combination w/ the book How to Design Programs, which is EXCELLENT (http://www.htdp.org/)! The DrScheme environment is very, very good indeed. * Smalltalk w/ Squeak. This environment is just amazing. Using their "Morphic" user interface, you can program by selecting actions from a menu and dragging them onto buttons. * TCL + VisualTCL - very close to visual basic. I can probably think of others, but these are the ones that hit me off the top of my head (ouch!). Jon From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 16:33:07 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:33:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? In-Reply-To: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55DD@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55DD@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Message-ID: <40FFEC43.2040908@paasda.org> don't you mean periods? =) --Huck daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >*gets scalpel* > >OK now class, lets dissect this email and show the originatorperson up for >exactly what they are! :) > >Gavin - you spelt your full-stops completely wrong :p > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan Carter [mailto:jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org] >Sent: 22 July 2004 15:14 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quite ? > > >Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > > >>Hi All... >> >>Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite >> >> >> > >oooohh. you won't get away with a mistake like that on a list of teachers! > >-JC > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >====================================================== >This email and any attached files are confidential and may >be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. >Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. >If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, >copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this >communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received >this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately >by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie >and then delete this email. >Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage >suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. >If verification is required please request a hard copy version. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 16:35:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:35:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Slightly OT] OS alternative for LanSchool/NetSchool Support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40FFECD0.5050501@paasda.org> personally I didn't like synchroneyes for anything other than monitoring activity in the lab during class... for displaying my computer I used a projector(yes $$$ flashing)...but kinda hard for students to DO work then they are watching your work on their screens... --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: >Or Synchroneyes. It allows the teacher to broadcast her screen to >everyone, or ot broadcast a studen't computer to everyone else, or the >teacher can "take over" a student's computer and run it. But it has some >extra things, as well. It also allows you to make tests and quizzes and >broadcast them to the students and they take the tests and it grades them >automatically > >Doug > >On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > > > >>VNC should do this with some heavy duty tweaking. >> >>You may consider biting the bullet and buying Altiris Vision. >> >>Todd O'Bryan wrote: >> >> >> >>>Anyone have an open source, freely downloadable, piece of software for >>>broadcasting a teacher screen to a class and letting the teacher view >>>the class screens? I know such software exists for a terminal server, >>>but I have a Win XP lab that I'm not likely to be able to switch soon, >>>and need something for that environment. >>> >>>I did a google search, but since I don't know what exactly you would >>>call such software, I'm not sure if I got good results. >>> >>>Thanks much, >>>Todd >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 16:35:11 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: References: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1485.10.49.11.243.1090514111.squirrel@10.49.11.243> Jonathan Bartlett said: > * Mono (I think you _Can_ do Visual Basic and C# w/ Mono, and also > throw in SharpDevelop for an IDE) AKA MonoDevelop in the Mono in Linux environment. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 16:53:52 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:53:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40FFF120.7090109@paasda.org> Shawn posted a few really good links in regards to Python for students... unfortunately I've moved computers and all my old saved mails didn't come with me ... I get my python from http://www.activestate.com...they have it available for many platforms... Python is easy enough to learn and works on multiple platforms...has wxPython which lets you make "windows" programs... here's a little commandline script I've developed to make usernames for me =) Those of you who are programmers thank you for disregarding the lack of optimization and succinct commenting =) Input is a textfile with of user each entity on seperate lines Example follows: #Funkified by Huck on 20/06/04 dd/mm/yy #string required for the manipulation of strings import string #making a nifty menu system below def print_menu(): print '1. Press 1 to (i)mport the namelist.txt file' print '2. Press 2 to (g)enerate usernames' print '3. Press 3 to (p)rint new usernames.txt file' print '4. Press 4 to E(x)it the Program' numbers = {} menu_choice = 0 print_menu() while menu_choice != 4: menu_choice = input("Type in a number (1-4):") if menu_choice == 1: #Open the file "namelist.txt" in_file = open("c:\\namelist.txt","r") #variable "textfile" gets filled with info from namelist.txt textfile = in_file.readlines() #Close the file "namelist.txt" in_file.close() elif menu_choice == 2: #The Loopy Loopy namenum = 0 out_file = open("c:\\my documents\pythonscripts\usernames.txt","w") print namenum while namenum < len(textfile): #Manipulate the namelist into pieces we can handle mystring = textfile[namenum] newlist = mystring.split() fname = newlist[0] lname = newlist[1] fname = fname[:2] lname = lname[:4] #Concatenate and Write to File out_file.write(lname+fname+"\n") print lname+fname+" has been written to file." namenum = namenum+1 print namenum out_file.close() namenum = 0 elif menu_choice == 3: #Gimme some output baby! in_file = open("c:\\my documents\pythonscripts\usernames.txt","r") funkytext = in_file.readlines() in_file.close() print funkytext elif menu_choice == 4: pass else: print_menu() print "Goodbye!" #That's All Folks! enjoy! --Huck Liam Marshall wrote: > In the past years, while working with the evil empire of Microsoft, I > was teaching among other things, two programming classes. One Grade > 11 class using the medium of Visual Basic, and one grade 12 class > using the medium of Java. > > I have managed to convince the school to let me break away from the > evil empire and go to linux in the lab completely. Specifically, I am > using K12LTSP with thin clients. I have 32 workstations all > connecting to my server now,( a bit of work but worth it compared to > the wiping out of workstation hard drives and reloading from scratch > that I do every year during the summer) > > I have Java workable on the workstations and am using an IDE from SUN > (NetBeans IDE 3.6) it works great! > > Now I am looking for a replacement for Visual Basic, which will never > work under Linux. It doesn't have to be Visual Basic, I was just > using it before because frankly, it was an easy to learn language with > alot of mouse work. The operative word is EASY. That way I could > focus on the concepts of programming without having to focus on > learning the mechanics of the programming language. With Visual Basic > the mechanics comes more or less naturally. > > What I would like is some language usable with linux that is of a > similar nature. I would prefer a language that has a nice visual > component (IDE, read EASY) so that the students introduction to > programming is not like throwing them into the deep end of the pool of > programming. > > Does such an animal exist? And did I mention that it should be free, > at least for schools? I convinced them to let me go to Linux at least > partially with the argument that cost was minimal, if anything. > > Please advice. I appreciate all your help, in advance > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shahms at shahms.com Thu Jul 22 16:59:15 2004 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:59:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: References: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1090515555.29624.27.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 09:25 -0700, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > > Now I am looking for a replacement for Visual Basic, which will never > > work under Linux. It doesn't have to be Visual Basic, I was just using > > it before because frankly, it was an easy to learn language with alot of > > mouse work. The operative word is EASY. That way I could focus on the > > concepts of programming without having to focus on learning the > > mechanics of the programming language. With Visual Basic the mechanics > > comes more or less naturally. > > There's several things I would look into. Personally, I think we should > start kids with assembly language (see my book at > http://www.cafeshops.com/bartlettpublish.8640017), but it doesn't seem an > option here. Some environments that match your wishes are: > > * Python You might want to look into Boa-Constructor for a good "Drag And Drop" IDE for Python/wxPython. http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/ > * Mono (I think you _Can_ do Visual Basic and C# w/ Mono, and also throw > in SharpDevelop for an IDE) The VB.NET support in Mono is still . . . immature (to say the least), but it is progressing. I have actually seen JavaScript used to pretty good effect for a beginning language, although I haven't seen any JS IDEs. -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From johnnyb at eskimo.com Thu Jul 22 17:08:28 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: <1090515555.29624.27.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> <1090515555.29624.27.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: > I have actually seen JavaScript used to pretty good effect for a > beginning language, although I haven't seen any JS IDEs. That's a good idea. In fact, I think that someone wrote a book using JavaScript as a first language, although I can't recall what it is. Jon From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 17:15:57 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:15:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] News from Mandrake... In-Reply-To: <2C8959BD-DBF9-11D8-B8C3-003065521B98@pandora.be> References: <1090511629.16406.9.camel@server.ltsp> <2C8959BD-DBF9-11D8-B8C3-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <40FFF64D.60005@paasda.org> I wanted info so I e-mailed them... VERY prompt reply...kudos to HP... --Huck Hi Huck, Thank you for your interest. Like all new HP product lines, the Multi-user 441 desktop solution was launched in a limited, specific geography - in this case, South Africa - with plans to expand distribution more broadly according to demand and market potential. We will introduce the 441 in other geographies as quickly as possible, and with a commitment to ensuring the superior total customer experience expected by HP customers worldwide. As a result, we only have price available for the South Africa market. A straight currency translation (which is not always accurate) put the anticipated price at $400US/seat which includes support and software. I appreciate you taking the time to enquire about the Multi-user 441 desktop solution, as each expression of interest builds momentum for a global launch. *************** Cheri Voisine Alliance Manager for External Partnerships Emerging Market Solutions Hewlett-Packard Company 650-857-7251 tel 415-722-5493 mobile cheri.voisine at hp.com email Kevin Verheyen wrote: > HP launches a 4 in 1 computer solution with Mandrakelinux 2004-07-12 > > Moreno Valley, CA ; Paris, France ; July 12th, 2004 - HP has > introduced the "441" solution, consisting of four > keyboard-mouse-screens running on one computer. This economical and > innovative concept ships with Mandrakelinux and is specifically > targetted for the education market. > > Built to meet school needs, the HP 441 desktop solution has a > pre-installed Mandrakelinux operating system, productivity > applications, educational software, and a custom graphical user > interface. Mandrakelinux was choosen for its increased reliability and > enhanced security to minimise the maintenance of the computer in the > classroom. > > The 441 can be used by 4 students at the same time, thus saving 50% > of acquisition costs and 65% of maintenance costs. Each user can > browse the Internet, send email, use educational software and run > productivity and other applications. > > The HP 441 computer, which comes pre-loaded with Linux and ready to > run, was first introduced in South-African schools, and will be > introduced later in several other developing countries. > > "This 441 HP concept with Mandrakelinux is a proof that the IT TCO > can be reduced by an important factor, for 0acquisition costs and > maintenance costs as well", said Fran?ois Bancilhon, CEO of > Mandrakelinux. > > Details about the HP 441 are available on: > http://h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/techspec.html > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 17:47:39 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:47:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/ldap tutorial from Trask.. Message-ID: <40FFFDBB.2070105@paasda.org> Has anyone duplicated his setup with his HOWTO? I'm failing miserably...especially with FC1... FC2 I can get further... but still pukes out on me about the time I get to the 'smbldap-populate' section Dave still on vacation or ya back? =) --Huck From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu Jul 22 17:33:05 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:33:05 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.01 and Fedora progress report In-Reply-To: <4017BD00.3080307@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4017BD00.3080307@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200407221333.05472.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Wednesday 28 January 2004 08:45 am, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Here it is. Pretty simple, actually. I added a line to the bottom of > .sversionrc and tweaked /usr/bin/ooffice. Here are the files > post-editing. I included the original /usr/bin/ooffice as "ooffice.bak" > for those who want to diff against the original (recommended). Hi Terrell, I am in the process of setting up a new K12LTSP server and want to take advantage of your work here. I have the files...looks simple. But what I don't understand is do I: Option 1) remove the RedHat 1.0.2 version that came installed, install the current version from openoffice.org and then copy the ooffice script in to /usr/bin Option2) or do I leave 1.0.2 alone, install the current version into a new directory and then install the edited office script. And...if I use Option 2 do I need to also edit any desktop shortcuts to point to the new version of OpenOffice. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Thu Jul 22 08:53:05 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:53:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages Message-ID: <3834459341.1090461185@[10.2.1.127]> This topic is not really my area, BUT IHMO why not try the three "P's" plain old Perl, PHP, and Python with their respective GTK ui's. PHP-GTK is kinda neat. You can make windows, MacOSX, and Linux apps. PerlTk is simple while giving you Perl on the backend, graphics, and CPAN. Python keeps growing and is not difficult on the surface. I like them all because you can give students theory and give real world examples with graphics, db's and multimedia. You mean "HelloWorld" doesn't cut the mustard anymore ? Learn Python, Get a Free Blender3D. As for an IDE, again really not my area. I still use vi for php and perl stuff and a notebook. Vi with PHP-GTK would be a simple, powerful, and a free solution that would give you gobs of theory and 1000's of examples ( the PHP part not PHP-GTK). Many IDE's here www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Devtools/ides.html a.o Tom V. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 17:49:08 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] News from Mandrake... In-Reply-To: <2C8959BD-DBF9-11D8-B8C3-003065521B98@pandora.be> Message-ID: <20040722174908.90709.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, That's cool. I work at a private school in Moreno Valley and we have been running K12LTSP since 1.0. Some of the parents complained about having linux. Now I can say to them "if you put your kid in public school, they will have linux too"! Thanks fot the news post. Chris --- Kevin Verheyen wrote: > HP launches a 4 in 1 computer solution with > Mandrakelinux 2004-07-12 > > Moreno Valley, CA ; Paris, France ; July 12th, > 2004 - HP has > introduced the "441" solution, consisting of four > keyboard-mouse-screens running on one computer. This > economical and > innovative concept ships with Mandrakelinux and is > specifically > targetted for the education market. > > Built to meet school needs, the HP 441 desktop > solution has a > pre-installed Mandrakelinux operating system, > productivity > applications, educational software, and a custom > graphical user > interface. Mandrakelinux was choosen for its > increased reliability and > enhanced security to minimise the maintenance of the > computer in the > classroom. > > The 441 can be used by 4 students at the same > time, thus saving 50% of > acquisition costs and 65% of maintenance costs. Each > user can browse > the Internet, send email, use educational software > and run productivity > and other applications. > > The HP 441 computer, which comes pre-loaded with > Linux and ready to > run, was first introduced in South-African schools, > and will be > introduced later in several other developing > countries. > > "This 441 HP concept with Mandrakelinux is a proof > that the IT TCO can > be reduced by an important factor, for 0acquisition > costs and > maintenance costs as well", said Fran?ois Bancilhon, > CEO of > Mandrakelinux. > > Details about the HP 441 are available on: > http://h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/techspec.html > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dharkness at nsd2.com Thu Jul 22 18:01:07 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:01:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] problems during bootup Message-ID: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> Hopefully someone out there can help me. We are running into an issue with client machines that have onboard NIC cards. the bios they have does not allow to disable the onboard NIC card, so we simply unplug them. we installed some Intel Pro 100 bootable network cards (PCI based) into the machines....they begin to boot.....get to a point and error out saying that "no dhcpd-eth0.info file" is available for the client. all the machines are the same model (Toshiba Equium 7100S) with the same PXE network card in them. i know it is not my LTSP server because we hooked a COmpaq Deskpro with the same model NIC to it and it worked fine. I have a feeling it is the onboard NIC that is causing a problem, even though it is unplugged. i can also see during the startup that it is trying to install the wrong NIC driver for the Intel, it is actually installing for the 3Com onboard card (3c905 driver) Help me if anyone can.....thanks in advance. dale From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 18:14:13 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:14:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] problems during bootup In-Reply-To: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> References: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <410003F5.4080204@paasda.org> use the onboard nic instead if it's a 3c905 driver...it should be supported with PXE boot... have you tested that ? --Huck Dale Harkness wrote: > Hopefully someone out there can help me. > We are running into an issue with client machines that have onboard > NIC cards. the bios they have does not allow to disable the onboard > NIC card, so we simply unplug them. we installed some Intel Pro 100 > bootable network cards (PCI based) into the machines....they begin to > boot.....get to a point and error out saying that "no dhcpd-eth0.info > file" is available for the client. all the machines are the same > model (Toshiba Equium 7100S) with the same PXE network card in them. > i know it is not my LTSP server because we hooked a COmpaq Deskpro > with the same model NIC to it and it worked fine. I have a feeling it > is the onboard NIC that is causing a problem, even though it is > unplugged. i can also see during the startup that it is trying to > install the wrong NIC driver for the Intel, it is actually installing > for the 3Com onboard card (3c905 driver) Help me if anyone > can.....thanks in advance. > > dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From haysja at sages.us Thu Jul 22 18:33:28 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:33:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] problems during bootup In-Reply-To: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> References: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <41000878.3090003@sages.us> Just unplugging the NIC will not work. You need to disable the NIC in BIOS. Have you tried these booting to a floppy withe 3c905 driver? Dale Harkness wrote: > Hopefully someone out there can help me. > We are running into an issue with client machines that have onboard > NIC cards. the bios they have does not allow to disable the onboard > NIC card, so we simply unplug them. we installed some Intel Pro 100 > bootable network cards (PCI based) into the machines....they begin to > boot.....get to a point and error out saying that "no dhcpd-eth0.info > file" is available for the client. all the machines are the same > model (Toshiba Equium 7100S) with the same PXE network card in them. > i know it is not my LTSP server because we hooked a COmpaq Deskpro > with the same model NIC to it and it worked fine. I have a feeling it > is the onboard NIC that is causing a problem, even though it is > unplugged. i can also see during the startup that it is trying to > install the wrong NIC driver for the Intel, it is actually installing > for the 3Com onboard card (3c905 driver) Help me if anyone > can.....thanks in advance. > > dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From smoogen at lanl.gov Thu Jul 22 18:42:25 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:42:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] problems during bootup In-Reply-To: <41000878.3090003@sages.us> References: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> <41000878.3090003@sages.us> Message-ID: <1090521744.10466.72.camel@smoogen3.lanl.gov> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 12:33, Jim Hays wrote: > Just unplugging the NIC will not work. You need to disable the NIC in > BIOS. > > Have you tried these booting to a floppy withe 3c905 driver? > While it doesnt happen often anymore.. I found that some BIOS's disable some hardware 'softly'. You could disable it and Windows wouldnt find it.. but Linux would.. [and depending on how the system disabled it..] could get it to work [or not] I would recommend the 3c905 driver also.. it may have enough of the smarts in the box to do PXE. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- "We cannot have a free government without elections; and if the -- rebellion could force us to forgo, or postpone, a national election, -- it might fairly claim to have already conquered us." Abraham Lincoln From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jul 22 19:08:23 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:08:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1: last call for bug fixes! Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DEB0@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:54 AM >> >> As I mentioned earlier, tomorrow I'm leaving for a week's vacation. >> I will be entering the COMPUTER FREE ZONE ;-) >> >> If you have tested K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, please let me know of any >> issues you have had by the end of the day today. I'll try to have >> reported bugs fixed before I leave. I've burned CDs and installed on a desktop machine (Compaq Deskpro). I'm having a problem but I'm not sure if this is really a K12LTSP problem or something more basic. The installation went fine and everything seems to be working except networking (a small but significant problem). I booted with Knoppix and it works fine so I'm pretty sure I'm not having a hardware problem. When I try to start the network, however, eth0 fails to start. I imagine it is something obvious and I'm just being dense but I don't know what the problem is. Would the default firewall settings prevent the computer from reaching the network completely? I turned off the firewall and that didn't seem to make any difference. If anyone can tell me what I'm missing, I'd greatly appreciate it. -- Henry Hartley From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Thu Jul 22 19:21:15 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:21:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & Novell Working, But 1 last thing References: <002801c46ff0$863215c0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <410013AB.740C643D@coll-outao.qc.ca> Yes, i also had this problem. It is not related to LTSP nor Netware. It is a RedHat thing. If K12LTSP was Debian based you would not have this problem cause Debian accept to create local accounts (on the linux server) with leading numbers as logon names. This is what i did, i found the source code and lines to alter the parsing of logon names to enable leading numbers, compiled the source and Voila! Know K12LTSP accepts all number logon names. To test this out, try creating a local unix account like: adduser 1234 and see if it fails, if so its the same problem i encountered. Gavin Spurgeon a ?crit : > Hi All... I have got my K12LTSP Server now 90% works authenticating to > my Novell Netware 6 server, BUTthe only problem I seem to be having is > with NDS users with all numbers in there username... In the UK every > student is given a candidate number witch is with them throughout the > academiclives.. we use this as there Login names...The problem is that > if I try to login 2 one of our Thin Clients as one of the students it > fails...but if I try to login with a user in the same context but with > letters in the name, it works fine... Has anyone seen this type of > thing before ? or can anyone please point me in the correctdirection > ? Best Regards > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepiano at pandora.be Thu Jul 22 19:32:17 2004 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:32:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] News from Mandrake... In-Reply-To: <20040722174908.90709.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040722174908.90709.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You're very welcome. Kevin On 22 Jul 2004, at 19:49, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hi, > > That's cool. I work at a private school in Moreno > Valley and we have been running K12LTSP since 1.0. > Some of the parents complained about having linux. Now > I can say to them "if you put your kid in public > school, they will have linux too"! > > Thanks fot the news post. > > Chris > > --- Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> HP launches a 4 in 1 computer solution with >> Mandrakelinux 2004-07-12 >> >> Moreno Valley, CA ; Paris, France ; July 12th, >> 2004 - HP has >> introduced the "441" solution, consisting of four >> keyboard-mouse-screens running on one computer. This >> economical and >> innovative concept ships with Mandrakelinux and is >> specifically >> targetted for the education market. >> >> Built to meet school needs, the HP 441 desktop >> solution has a >> pre-installed Mandrakelinux operating system, >> productivity >> applications, educational software, and a custom >> graphical user >> interface. Mandrakelinux was choosen for its >> increased reliability and >> enhanced security to minimise the maintenance of the >> computer in the >> classroom. >> >> The 441 can be used by 4 students at the same >> time, thus saving 50% of >> acquisition costs and 65% of maintenance costs. Each >> user can browse >> the Internet, send email, use educational software >> and run productivity >> and other applications. >> >> The HP 441 computer, which comes pre-loaded with >> Linux and ready to >> run, was first introduced in South-African schools, >> and will be >> introduced later in several other developing >> countries. >> >> "This 441 HP concept with Mandrakelinux is a proof >> that the IT TCO can >> be reduced by an important factor, for 0acquisition >> costs and >> maintenance costs as well", said Fran?ois Bancilhon, >> CEO of >> Mandrakelinux. >> >> Details about the HP 441 are available on: >> > http://h40058.www4.hp.com/products/desktops/441/techspec.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jul 22 19:33:52 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:33:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card Message-ID: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> I have 7 machines that have 3c905b-TXNM network card in them, what would be the best method to pxe boot these machines? I tried rom-o-matic but there is no exact match and the 3c905b ones I tried connect and this is what I get what is left on the screen is Connectors present: 10Base-T / 100Base-TX .. Me: 192.168.0.250, Server 192.168.0.254, Gateway 192.168.0.254 loading 192.168.0.24:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp ...(NBI) 18 rows of ...... ...done Issuing RESET: mknbi-1.4.0/first32.c (GPL) then it hangs there fore at least an hour - I didn't wait longer are there any special option you have to select on rom-o-matic or some configuration that I need to do on the server to boot from a rom-o-matic boot floppy. all the other machines I have used boot from a pxe boot network card so I haven't run into this before. And the 3c905c-tx-m cards in the other clients work fine onthis server. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 19:46:50 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:46:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card In-Reply-To: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> References: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> sorry I don't have the link... but there is an Universal Boot Disk or some such thing (search archives) for PXE booting...it kinda rocks =) --Huck Tim Litwiller wrote: > I have 7 machines that have 3c905b-TXNM network card in them, what > would be the best method to pxe boot these machines? I tried > rom-o-matic but there is no exact match and the 3c905b ones I tried > connect and this is what I get > > what is left on the screen is > > Connectors present: 10Base-T / 100Base-TX > .. Me: 192.168.0.250, Server 192.168.0.254, Gateway 192.168.0.254 > loading 192.168.0.24:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp ...(NBI) > > 18 rows of ...... > > ...done > Issuing RESET: > mknbi-1.4.0/first32.c (GPL) > > then it hangs there fore at least an hour - I didn't wait longer > > are there any special option you have to select on rom-o-matic or some > configuration that I need to do on the server to boot from a > rom-o-matic boot floppy. > > all the other machines I have used boot from a pxe boot network card > so I haven't run into this before. And the 3c905c-tx-m cards in the > other clients work fine onthis server. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 19:52:53 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:52:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card In-Reply-To: <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> References: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1090525973.16406.23.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 12:46, Huck wrote: > sorry I don't have the link... > but there is an Universal Boot Disk or some such thing (search archives) > for PXE booting...it kinda rocks =) > > --Huck > I put a copy of it here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try a different ltsp kernel version (especially if you are using an older kernel) and send a message to the etherboot-users list specifying the pci devide and vendor ids for the card and which version of Etherboot you downloaded from romotatic. Tim From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 20:04:03 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:04:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] problems during bootup In-Reply-To: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> References: <410000E3.1010309@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <1090526643.16406.35.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 11:01, Dale Harkness wrote: > Hopefully someone out there can help me. > > We are running into an issue with client machines that have onboard NIC > cards. the bios they have does not allow to disable the onboard NIC > card, so we simply unplug them. we installed some Intel Pro 100 > bootable network cards (PCI based) into the machines....they begin to > boot.....get to a point and error out saying that "no dhcpd-eth0.info > file" is available for the client. all the machines are the same model > (Toshiba Equium 7100S) with the same PXE network card in them. i know > it is not my LTSP server because we hooked a COmpaq Deskpro with the > same model NIC to it and it worked fine. I have a feeling it is the > onboard NIC that is causing a problem, even though it is unplugged. i > can also see during the startup that it is trying to install the wrong > NIC driver for the Intel, it is actually installing for the 3Com onboard > card (3c905 driver) Help me if anyone can.....thanks in advance. > > dale Hmmm, this is an interesting one. Maybe Jim has dealt with this before. What's going on is that the boot process has two stages: 1) bootp/pxe request initialized the network and pulls down the boot image, 2) the boot image executes which includes setting up the network from the kernel's perspective. In your case, the Intel card is handling the PXE chores. Once the kernel is loaded, however, the 3com card is detected and initialized before the Intel card is detected. Thus the second stage of boot process tries to occur on the network card that is not plugged in. The detection of the network cards happens before the LTSP configuration file is read (lts.conf), so any changes you make there won't help (i.e. you can't get away with trying to force it to use the Intel card by adding something like MODULE_O1 = eepro100.o). With ISA cards, you can add a couple of lines to dhcpd.conf (see /etc/dhcpd.conf for examples) that tells the client which driver to load, but unfortunately that does not appear to work with the PCI network cards I just tested. Just for kicks, have you tried plugging both the intel and 3com cards in at the same time? In theory it should work ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See the dosc on ltsp.org Tim From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Jul 22 20:30:23 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:30:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one Gig of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, check of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 (MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to fix it???? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Jul 22 20:16:53 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:16:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1: last call for bug fixes! In-Reply-To: <20040722195308.D02D673CBB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040722195308.D02D673CBB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <410020B5.7000202@saskforestcentre.ca> try adding acpi=off to the kernel command line. You describe the same symptoms as I had with FC2. Angus Carr. Message: 3 Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1: last call for bug fixes! To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DEB0 at remail2.westat.com> Content-Type: text/plain >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>> [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:54 AM >>>> >>>> As I mentioned earlier, tomorrow I'm leaving for a week's vacation. >>>> I will be entering the COMPUTER FREE ZONE ;-) >>>> >>>> If you have tested K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1, please let me know of any >>>> issues you have had by the end of the day today. I'll try to have >>>> reported bugs fixed before I leave. >> >> I've burned CDs and installed on a desktop machine (Compaq Deskpro). I'm having a problem but I'm not sure if this is really a K12LTSP problem or something more basic. The installation went fine and everything seems to be working except networking (a small but significant problem). I booted with Knoppix and it works fine so I'm pretty sure I'm not having a hardware problem. When I try to start the network, however, eth0 fails to start. I imagine it is something obvious and I'm just being dense but I don't know what the problem is. Would the default firewall settings prevent the computer from reaching the network completely? I turned off the firewall and that didn't seem to make any difference. If anyone can tell me what I'm missing, I'd greatly appreciate it. -- Henry Hartley From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Jul 22 20:22:32 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:22:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090527752.6057.2.camel@localhost> We had a similar problem on our current production mail server here (it's running RedHat 8 and only had 256 RAM on a...450Mhz Pentium II). Same error, it just killed our antivirus (Vexira). I wasn't in the office at the time so the Director of Computer Services here (my supervisor) had it rebooted. I've been unable to reproduce the problem on the box here. I had thought it might have been a RAM issue. But if its doing that on your box, with a gig...I doubt that. -Calvin On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 16:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, > Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one Gig > of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, check > of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 > (MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to fix > it???? > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Jul 22 20:48:23 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:48:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <1090527752.6057.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I rebooted yesterday, and locked up again today.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Park Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:23 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server We had a similar problem on our current production mail server here (it's running RedHat 8 and only had 256 RAM on a...450Mhz Pentium II). Same error, it just killed our antivirus (Vexira). I wasn't in the office at the time so the Director of Computer Services here (my supervisor) had it rebooted. I've been unable to reproduce the problem on the box here. I had thought it might have been a RAM issue. But if its doing that on your box, with a gig...I doubt that. -Calvin On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 16:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, > Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one Gig > of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, check > of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 > (MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to fix > it???? > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jul 22 20:33:41 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:33:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card In-Reply-To: <1090525973.16406.23.camel@server.ltsp> References: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> <1090525973.16406.23.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <410024A5.2080909@litwiller.net> Eric Harrison wrote: >On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 12:46, Huck wrote: > > >>sorry I don't have the link... >>but there is an Universal Boot Disk or some such thing (search archives) >>for PXE booting...it kinda rocks =) >> >>--Huck >> >> >> > >I put a copy of it here: > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy/ > >-Eric > > > Thanks, I'll try that and report back - btw - this is on 4.1.0 beta and everything else I have tried is working ok. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 22 20:37:36 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:37:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41002590.20302@paasda.org> I use debian for my mail server...it uses Exim4, spamassassin, clamav...P3 600 with 256mb ram... only for 30 users(students don't get e-mail accounts)... Outta the box works zero downtime...it's juicy =) --Huck Rick O'Dell wrote: > I rebooted yesterday, and locked up again today.... > >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Calvin Park >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:23 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server > > >We had a similar problem on our current production mail server here >(it's running RedHat 8 and only had 256 RAM on a...450Mhz Pentium II). >Same error, it just killed our antivirus (Vexira). I wasn't in the >office at the time so the Director of Computer Services here (my >supervisor) had it rebooted. I've been unable to reproduce the problem >on the box here. I had thought it might have been a RAM issue. But if >its doing that on your box, with a gig...I doubt that. > >-Calvin > >On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 16:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > > >> Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, >>Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one >> >> >Gig > > >>of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, >> >> >check > > >>of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 >>(MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to >> >> >fix > > >>it???? >> >>Rick O'Dell >>Net Work Administrator >>Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >>Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >> >> >>-- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see >-- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Jul 22 20:57:29 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:57:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <41002590.20302@paasda.org> Message-ID: I may have to switch, I hate to, spent lots of time on this setup... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:38 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server I use debian for my mail server...it uses Exim4, spamassassin, clamav...P3 600 with 256mb ram... only for 30 users(students don't get e-mail accounts)... Outta the box works zero downtime...it's juicy =) --Huck Rick O'Dell wrote: > I rebooted yesterday, and locked up again today.... > >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Calvin Park >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:23 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server > > >We had a similar problem on our current production mail server here >(it's running RedHat 8 and only had 256 RAM on a...450Mhz Pentium II). >Same error, it just killed our antivirus (Vexira). I wasn't in the >office at the time so the Director of Computer Services here (my >supervisor) had it rebooted. I've been unable to reproduce the problem >on the box here. I had thought it might have been a RAM issue. But if >its doing that on your box, with a gig...I doubt that. > >-Calvin > >On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 16:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > > >> Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, >>Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one >> >> >Gig > > >>of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, >> >> >check > > >>of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 >>(MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to >> >> >fix > > >>it???? >> >>Rick O'Dell >>Net Work Administrator >>Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >>Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >> >> >>-- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see >-- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 22 20:40:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:40:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090528847.7487.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 15:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, > Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one Gig > of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, check > of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 > (MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to fix > it???? If you run 'top' when it is under load you can probably spot the memory hog. There are are a lot virus-infected machines being used to forward spam and some are doing dictionary-type attacks on user names as addresses. If your scanner processes before rejecting bad user addresses you may just be overwhelming it with volume. One machine here is getting about a thousand an hour coming from distributed sources. If you are scanning, then trying to bounce the errors back to a forged source address that might be enough to kill a machine. I don't use postfix but it probably has a way to throttle the rate it will accept based on the number of connections or load. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jul 22 20:45:54 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:45:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card In-Reply-To: <410024A5.2080909@litwiller.net> References: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> <1090525973.16406.23.camel@server.ltsp> <410024A5.2080909@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <41002782.5090609@litwiller.net> Tim Litwiller wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 12:46, Huck wrote: >> >> >>> sorry I don't have the link... >>> but there is an Universal Boot Disk or some such thing (search >>> archives) >>> for PXE booting...it kinda rocks =) >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> >> >> >> I put a copy of it here: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy/ >> >> -Eric >> >> >> > Thanks, I'll try that and report back - btw - this is on 4.1.0 beta > and everything else I have tried is working ok. > ok, now it get something different but not success - it goes quite a bit further the last few lines Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltps/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 Doing the pivot_root Mounting the devfs filesystem Running /sbin/init Usage: init 0123456SoQaAaBbCcUu VSF: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed Unmonting old root Trying to free ramdisk memory .. failed Mounted devfs on /dev Freeing unused kernel memory: 88k freed ==================================================================== Running /linuxrc Mounting /proc linuxrc: Installed 3c59x driver modprobe 3c59x running dhcpd on port 67 **** /bin/dhcpcd: already running **** /bin/dhcpcd: if not delete /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.pid file ERROR! dhcpcd failed! Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! looks like what Eric and Jim where talking about earlier this week. From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Jul 22 21:05:42 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:05:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <1090528847.7487.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll try that... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:41 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 15:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, > Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one Gig > of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, check > of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 > (MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to fix > it???? If you run 'top' when it is under load you can probably spot the memory hog. There are are a lot virus-infected machines being used to forward spam and some are doing dictionary-type attacks on user names as addresses. If your scanner processes before rejecting bad user addresses you may just be overwhelming it with volume. One machine here is getting about a thousand an hour coming from distributed sources. If you are scanning, then trying to bounce the errors back to a forged source address that might be enough to kill a machine. I don't use postfix but it probably has a way to throttle the rate it will accept based on the number of connections or load. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 20:52:24 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:52:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090529544.16406.45.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 13:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, > Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one Gig > of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, check > of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 > (MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to fix > it???? > Looks like you have a run-away process that is using up all of your memory. MailScanner or ClamAV is the most likely culprit. As another poster pointed out, you can run "top" and watch for guilty party. I've heard tails of malicious emails/virus that "zip-bombs" mail servers. If you make a huge file containing all zeros, for example, it will compress down to a really small size. You can make a zip bomb my recursively including zipped copies of such a file. Attach the final zip file to an email and the victim's mail server may run out of memory trying to unzip the zip-bomb. Something to look out for in your mail spool... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Be sure to run up2date to download all of the current bug fixes. This will download all of the updated packages: up2date -u If you don't have a lot of bandwidth, you can download just this specific bug fix: up2date -i ltsp_i386-kernel -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jul 22 21:03:51 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:03:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card In-Reply-To: <1090529709.16406.49.camel@server.ltsp> References: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> <1090525973.16406.23.camel@server.ltsp> <410024A5.2080909@litwiller.net> <41002782.5090609@litwiller.net> <1090529709.16406.49.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41002BB7.6050000@litwiller.net> Eric Harrison wrote: >On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 13:45, Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > >>>Thanks, I'll try that and report back - btw - this is on 4.1.0 beta >>>and everything else I have tried is working ok. >>> >>> >>> >>ok, now it get something different but not success - it goes quite a bit >>further >> >>the last few lines >> >>Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltps/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 >>Doing the pivot_root >>Mounting the devfs filesystem >>Running /sbin/init >>Usage: init 0123456SoQaAaBbCcUu >>VSF: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) >>Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed >>Unmonting old root >>Trying to free ramdisk memory .. failed >>Mounted devfs on /dev >>Freeing unused kernel memory: 88k freed >> >> > > >This is a bug that was fixed this week. Be sure to run up2date to download >all of the current bug fixes. > >This will download all of the updated packages: > > up2date -u > >If you don't have a lot of bandwidth, you can download just this specific >bug fix: > > up2date -i ltsp_i386-kernel > > >-Eric > > thanks - I'll be trying that. From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Jul 22 21:28:54 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:28:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <1090529544.16406.45.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: I ran top, Of course, I'm not having a problem at the moment. I didn't see anything that looked excessive. MailScanner is using about 1.6% of memory is use. Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:52 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 13:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed k12ltsp 4.01, > Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD 1100Mgz with one Gig > of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it locked up, check > of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 > (MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and what can I do to fix > it???? > Looks like you have a run-away process that is using up all of your memory. MailScanner or ClamAV is the most likely culprit. As another poster pointed out, you can run "top" and watch for guilty party. I've heard tails of malicious emails/virus that "zip-bombs" mail servers. If you make a huge file containing all zeros, for example, it will compress down to a really small size. You can make a zip bomb my recursively including zipped copies of such a file. Attach the final zip file to an email and the victim's mail server may run out of memory trying to unzip the zip-bomb. Something to look out for in your mail spool... -Eric -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 21:09:57 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:09:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1: last call for bug fixes! In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DEB0@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DEB0@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1090530596.16406.57.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 12:08, Henry Hartley wrote: > I've burned CDs and installed on a desktop machine (Compaq Deskpro). I'm > having a problem but I'm not sure if this is really a K12LTSP problem or > something more basic. The installation went fine and everything seems to be > working except networking (a small but significant problem). > > I booted with Knoppix and it works fine so I'm pretty sure I'm not having a > hardware problem. When I try to start the network, however, eth0 fails to > start. I imagine it is something obvious and I'm just being dense but I > don't know what the problem is. Would the default firewall settings prevent > the computer from reaching the network completely? I turned off the > firewall and that didn't seem to make any difference. > > If anyone can tell me what I'm missing, I'd greatly appreciate it. What model Compaq Deskpro? We used to have some of these things, I had problems with the tlan network cards and replaced them with something else. That was a long time ago, maybe even in the kernel v2.2 days, I'm not sure if that would still be a problem... If you let us know the exact model, we can google for it... Also, try booting the Knoppix disc, opening up a shell, and running: dmesg | less and looking for info about the network card (eth0). The boot back into K12LTSP and look at the dmesg output there. Hopefully something different between the two will jump out. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Depending on how it handles concurrency it may run a copy for every message being received, plus an instance of the virus scanner. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 21:27:51 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:27:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090531671.16406.69.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 14:28, Rick O'Dell wrote: > I ran top, Of course, I'm not having a problem at the moment. I didn't see > anything that looked excessive. MailScanner is using about 1.6% of memory is > use. > There is probably a much better way to do this, but here is quick-and-dirty method for watching for memory hogs: 1) run "crontab -e" 2) enter in this line: * * * * * (echo; date; ps -eo pmem,args,user | sort -nr | head) >> $HOME/memory-pigs.txt This will create a file in your home directory that contains the top 10 memory hogs every minute. The output will look like this: Thu Jul 22 14:23:45 PDT 2004 2.8 amavisd (child) vscan 2.7 amavisd (virgin vscan 2.7 amavisd (master) vscan 0.9 ntpd -U ntp -p / ntp 0.8 /usr/sbin/snmpd root 0.4 /usr/bin/perl /u root 0.4 sshd: root at pts/1 root 0.4 smtpd -n smtp -t postfix 0.4 smtpd -n 127.0.0 postfix 0.4 nqmgr -l -n qmgr postfix In this case, the amavisd is the top memory hog, each process taking up about 2.7% percent of the available memory. Once you are done debugging, run "crontab -e" again and remove the line. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jul 22 22:07:09 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:07:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client network card In-Reply-To: <41002BB7.6050000@litwiller.net> References: <410016A0.2080201@litwiller.net> <410019AA.6030007@paasda.org> <1090525973.16406.23.camel@server.ltsp> <410024A5.2080909@litwiller.net> <41002782.5090609@litwiller.net> <1090529709.16406.49.camel@server.ltsp> <41002BB7.6050000@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <41003A8D.7030001@litwiller.net> Tim Litwiller wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 13:45, Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >> >> >>>> Thanks, I'll try that and report back - btw - this is on 4.1.0 >>>> beta and everything else I have tried is working ok. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ok, now it get something different but not success - it goes quite a >>> bit further >>> >>> the last few lines >>> >>> Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltps/i386 from: 192.168.0.254 >>> Doing the pivot_root >>> Mounting the devfs filesystem >>> Running /sbin/init >>> Usage: init 0123456SoQaAaBbCcUu >>> VSF: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) >>> Trying to move old root to /initrd ... failed >>> Unmonting old root >>> Trying to free ramdisk memory .. failed >>> Mounted devfs on /dev >>> Freeing unused kernel memory: 88k freed >>> >> >> >> >> This is a bug that was fixed this week. Be sure to run up2date to >> download >> all of the current bug fixes. >> >> This will download all of the updated packages: >> >> up2date -u >> >> If you don't have a lot of bandwidth, you can download just this >> specific >> bug fix: >> >> up2date -i ltsp_i386-kernel >> >> >> -Eric >> >> > thanks - I'll be trying that. > This worked, once I got the packages updated it worked on the first try. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jul 22 22:16:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:16:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41003CCA.3050205@cmosnetworks.com> If I were you, I would get a hold of the folks at Yorktown High School in Arlington, VA. They use Python for this purpose on LTSP, and I happened by there one evening during one of their LUG meetings. I don't remember what the IDE used at Yorktown was called, but I remember programming in Visual BASIC back in the day, and their Python IDE reminded me a lot of VB. Matter of fact, at the teacher's suggestion, I actually sat down and did some basic Python programming, and I'd never done Python before. I remember thinking, hey, this is pretty easy. --TP Liam Marshall wrote: > In the past years, while working with the evil empire of Microsoft, I > was teaching among other things, two programming classes. One Grade > 11 class using the medium of Visual Basic, and one grade 12 class > using the medium of Java. > > I have managed to convince the school to let me break away from the > evil empire and go to linux in the lab completely. Specifically, I am > using K12LTSP with thin clients. I have 32 workstations all > connecting to my server now,( a bit of work but worth it compared to > the wiping out of workstation hard drives and reloading from scratch > that I do every year during the summer) > > I have Java workable on the workstations and am using an IDE from SUN > (NetBeans IDE 3.6) it works great! > > Now I am looking for a replacement for Visual Basic, which will never > work under Linux. It doesn't have to be Visual Basic, I was just > using it before because frankly, it was an easy to learn language with > alot of mouse work. The operative word is EASY. That way I could > focus on the concepts of programming without having to focus on > learning the mechanics of the programming language. With Visual Basic > the mechanics comes more or less naturally. > > What I would like is some language usable with linux that is of a > similar nature. I would prefer a language that has a nice visual > component (IDE, read EASY) so that the students introduction to > programming is not like throwing them into the deep end of the pool of > programming. > > Does such an animal exist? And did I mention that it should be free, > at least for schools? I convinced them to let me go to Linux at least > partially with the argument that cost was minimal, if anything. > > Please advice. I appreciate all your help, in advance From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jul 22 22:13:51 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:13:51 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? In-Reply-To: <40FFEC43.2040908@paasda.org> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55DD@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> <40FFEC43.2040908@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1090534235.1262.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Huck, It depends on what part of this world you live! I speak American AND English! ;-) A period "down under" refers to a set amount of time eg. class OR cyclic biological events of a feminine nature. :-0 The term full stop is used instead, to avoid "embarrassment". So we've come to the end of the period with a full stop. :-) Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 04:33, Huck wrote: > don't you mean periods? =) > > --Huck > > daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > > >*gets scalpel* > > > >OK now class, lets dissect this email and show the originatorperson up for > >exactly what they are! :) > > > >Gavin - you spelt your full-stops completely wrong :p > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jonathan Carter [mailto:jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org] > >Sent: 22 July 2004 15:14 > >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quite ? > > > > > >Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi All... > >> > >>Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite > >> > >> > >> > > > >oooohh. you won't get away with a mistake like that on a list of teachers! > > > >-JC > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > >====================================================== > >This email and any attached files are confidential and may > >be legally privileged. 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Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From k12osn at collinsoft.com Thu Jul 22 22:48:06 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: <1089846954.12209.61.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > I want to have a solid, "probably production-ready" K12LTSP 4.1 beta out > by Friday. That will give me a week to fix any major problems that crop > up. Then I'm on vacation for a week and won't have 'net access, which is > *certain* to test how stable the beta is ;-). If no show-stopping bugs > show up in the LTSP/K12LTSP betas, I'll then declare K12LTSP 4.1 the > current stable release. Any idea about smp stability or should I plan on sticking with 3.1.2? -- Ryan Collins From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 22 23:31:19 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:31:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090539079.16406.124.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 15:48, k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I want to have a solid, "probably production-ready" K12LTSP 4.1 beta out > > by Friday. That will give me a week to fix any major problems that crop > > up. Then I'm on vacation for a week and won't have 'net access, which is > > *certain* to test how stable the beta is ;-). If no show-stopping bugs > > show up in the LTSP/K12LTSP betas, I'll then declare K12LTSP 4.1 the > > current stable release. > > Any idea about smp stability or should I plan on sticking with 3.1.2? K12LTSP 4.1 will use the 2.6 kernel. I have not heard of SMP stability issues with the 2.6 kernels, but then they have not been as widely tested as the 2.4 kernels. All of the 2.6 systems I have in production are SMP. The only significant SMP stability problems I have heard about are with the FC1 2.4.22 kernels. Even then it sounds like it is likely to be very specific hardware and/or usage that triggers the instability. So the wider the testing, the more likely obscure issues will be known. If you are seriously concerned about 100% stability, it is best to use the well known, well tested enterprise versions (RHEL, WBEL, etc). Likewise, using well known, well tested server hardware is just as important, if not more so. So, I guess that is the long-winded version of my standard answer to this type of question ;-). If you want 100% stability, you have to use old, crufty, well-tested hardware/software. If you want the latest-n-greatest, fastest, shiny new toys, by definition you will not be guaranteed 100% stability... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jul 23 04:12:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:12:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? In-Reply-To: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55DD@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55DD@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >> Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite Just so you know why we're making fun of you....you really need to watch the spelling... dose should be "does" and quite should be "quiet" Don't rely on spell-checkers ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jul 23 04:15:23 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:15:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: <1090539079.16406.124.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1090539079.16406.124.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: > If you want the >latest-n-greatest, fastest, shiny new toys, by definition you will not >be guaranteed 100% stability... And remember...if you ain't livin' on the edge...you're taking up too much room! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 23 04:38:00 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: >> If you want the >>latest-n-greatest, fastest, shiny new toys, by definition you will not >>be guaranteed 100% stability... > >And remember...if you ain't livin' on the edge...you're taking up too much >room! ;-) Ha! I love it! -Eric From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Jul 23 10:37:31 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:37:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & Novell Working, But 1 last thing (More Info) References: <04Jul22.153509cest.87158@fw01.solleftea.se> <2754.195.84.143.98.1090503673.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Message-ID: <001301c470a1$0ec14810$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi all.. Here is a bit more info for you all to chew on... here is the relevant part of my /var/log/secure log... pam_ncp_auth[21641]: using server server06 ctxs ou=curr.o=lctc group (null) pam_ncp_auth[21641]: nw_create_verify_conn_to_tree: trying to resolve 150674.ou=curr.o=lctc pam_ncp_auth[21641]: trying to login as 150674.ou=curr.o=lctc pam_ncp_auth[21641]: User 150674.ou=curr.o=lctc was successfully authorized by NDS server server06 on tree LEIGH_CTC pam_ncp_auth[21641]: Auth OK pam_ncp_auth[21641]: User has DN 150674.Curr.LCTC pam_ncp_auth[21641]: start of NW home dir got SERVER01_DATA.LCTC\WORKDIR/STUDENT\150674 pam_ncp_auth[21641]: got SERVER01 DATA pam_ncp_auth[21641]: end of NW home dir pam_ncp_auth[21641]: using location attribute pam_ncp_auth[21641]: NWCCGetConnInfo(NWCC_INFO_TREE_NAME) returned LEIGH_CTC pam_ncp_auth[21641]: end of retrieve nds user info code: Success pam_ncp_auth[21641]: FOUND ZF 2101 in NDS pam_ncp_auth[21641]: APPLYING ZF 0 OFF pam_ncp_auth[21641]: USING ZF 2101 pam_ncp_auth[21641]: Remote host and tty port are not checked pam_ncp_auth[21641]: NW_UPDATE_USER: 4294967295 4294967295 (null) (null) (null) pam_ncp_auth[21641]: NW_UPDATE_USER:creating 4294967295 4294967295 (null) (null) (null) pam_ncp_auth[21641]: useradd -g 100 -c -d /home/150674 pam_ncp_auth[21641]: useradd -s /bin/bash -u 2002 -m 150674 pam_ncp_auth[21641]: waitpid: Fatal: No child processes pam_ncp_auth[21641]: Cannot create user 150674 pam_ncp_auth[21641]: return value of update_user_info -12 for 150674 pam_ncp_auth[21641]: final PAM retval 7 gdm-binary[21641]: Couldn't authenticate user So it looks like the NDS bit seems to work.... but there seems to be a problem when it gets to adding the user account to the linux... I think 'Burke' is right, I think it is down to that the user name being created is only numbers... Is there any way around this ? I could @ a very very last resort change the users logins but this is going to cause some BIG problems.... so this really really is a 'LAST' resort... Can anyone point me in the right direction ? Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Jul 23 10:56:00 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:56:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & Novell Working, But 1 last thing (More Info) In-Reply-To: <04Jul23.123516cest.87251@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Jul22.153509cest.87158@fw01.solleftea.se> <2754.195.84.143.98.1090503673.squirrel@195.84.143.98> <04Jul23.123516cest.87251@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <1825.195.84.143.98.1090580160.squirrel@195.84.143.98> Hi! You have ran into a problem with useradd, the application which ncpfs uses to create the local accounts on the linux server. The version of useradd you use is a bit altered by Redhat. What you can do now is to replace the useradd application with a version that lets you create users with leading numbers in their names. By using yum i can find out which package provides a file: #yum provides useradd gives: Installed package: shadow-utils.i386 2:4.0.3-12 matches with /etc/default/useradd The developers of shadow utils might know what you can do to remedy your situation. Just remember that its probably RedHat who have done the changes. /cheers > Hi all.. > > Here is a bit more info for you all to chew on... > > here is the relevant part of my /var/log/secure log... > > > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: using server server06 ctxs ou=curr.o=lctc group > (null) > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: nw_create_verify_conn_to_tree: trying to resolve > 150674.ou=curr.o=lctc > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: trying to login as 150674.ou=curr.o=lctc > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: User 150674.ou=curr.o=lctc was successfully > authorized > by NDS server server06 on tree LEIGH_CTC > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: Auth OK > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: User has DN 150674.Curr.LCTC > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: start of NW home dir got > SERVER01_DATA.LCTC\WORKDIR/STUDENT\150674 > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: got SERVER01 DATA > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: end of NW home dir > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: using location attribute > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: NWCCGetConnInfo(NWCC_INFO_TREE_NAME) returned > LEIGH_CTC > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: end of retrieve nds user info code: Success > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: FOUND ZF 2101 in NDS > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: APPLYING ZF 0 OFF > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: USING ZF 2101 > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: Remote host and tty port are not checked > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: NW_UPDATE_USER: 4294967295 4294967295 (null) (null) > (null) > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: NW_UPDATE_USER:creating 4294967295 4294967295 (null) > (null) (null) > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: useradd -g 100 -c -d /home/150674 > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: useradd -s /bin/bash -u 2002 -m 150674 > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: waitpid: Fatal: No child processes > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: Cannot create user 150674 > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: return value of update_user_info -12 for 150674 > pam_ncp_auth[21641]: final PAM retval 7 > gdm-binary[21641]: Couldn't authenticate user > > > So it looks like the NDS bit seems to work.... > but there seems to be a problem when it gets to adding the user account to > the linux... > I think 'Burke' is right, I think it is down to that the user name being > created is only numbers... > Is there any way around this ? > I could @ a very very last resort change the users logins but this is > going > to cause some BIG problems.... so this really really is a 'LAST' resort... > Can anyone point me in the right direction ? > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 23 10:50:23 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:50:23 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 release plan. WAS: Poll: 4.02 vs. 4.1 alpha Message-ID: <200407231102.i6NB2Dq19581@downeast.net> but it is ok to keep a pillow handy for the really sharp edges... > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > > If you want the > >latest-n-greatest, fastest, shiny new toys, by definition you will not > >be guaranteed 100% stability... > > And remember...if you ain't livin' on the edge...you're taking up too much > room! ;-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 23 12:40:52 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:40:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal was working, now stalls when loading kernel Message-ID: <41010754.1020006@maltzen.net> I've got a 4.0.1 (FC1) k12ltsp server that has just a single thin client. The client was booting just fine. But the server was having trouble printing to the USB printer attached to it. So, among other things, I rebooted the server at one point, and while I don't think that was the actual fix, I was able to get printing to work. Then I went back to the client machine, hit the reset button. It boots from an etherboot floppy. It gets an IP address from the server, but when it starts to load the kernel it seems to stall, displaying just a few dots at a snail's pace (I gave up after 20 minutes). I suspect the firewall (iptables) is interfering, as I think I turned it off originally, though not permanently, to get things working. Has anyone seen this before? I used just a standard install, no firewall tweaking. What ports need to be open for clients to load the kernel? Petre From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Jul 23 14:45:52 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:45:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1beta downloads Message-ID: <410124A0.7080601@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi List Where can I download the K12LTSP 4.1 beta downloads. I'm real eager to see it. Thanks... Jonathan From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Jul 23 15:07:57 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:07:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1beta downloads In-Reply-To: <410124A0.7080601@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <410124A0.7080601@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <410129CD.5020402@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Sorry! Found it... Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi List > > Where can I download the K12LTSP 4.1 beta downloads. I'm real eager to > see it. Thanks... > > Jonathan > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jonathan Carter Shuttleworth Foundation Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231 Linux Users' Groups: http://www.clug.org.za http://www.slug.org.za "Freely you have received, freely give" - Matthew 10:8 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 23 14:45:37 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:45:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007501c470c3$b787cb00$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Here is the tutorial that I used to set this up: http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3647 I am running WBEL 3.0 and have been up for about a month without any problems. Here are some links for all of the configs referenced in the tutorial: /etc/postfix/main.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/main.cf.final.txt /etc/postfix/master.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/master.cf.final.txt /etc/postfix.in/main.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/main.cf.in.final.txt /etc/postfix.in/master.cf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/master.cf.in.final.txt /etc/MailScanner/MailScanner.conf http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/MailScanner.conf.txt /etc/squirrelmail/config.php http://www.hughesjr.com/wbel/postfix/config.php.txt My first thought would be to compare the MailScanner.conf and see if there is a glitch. Otherwise if you do have to start over this tutorial should get you rocking in about an hour. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:57 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Mail Server > > > I may have to switch, I hate to, spent lots of time on > this setup... > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:38 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server > > > I use debian for my mail server...it uses Exim4, > spamassassin, clamav...P3 600 with 256mb ram... only for 30 > users(students don't get e-mail accounts)... > > Outta the box works zero downtime...it's juicy =) > > --Huck > > Rick O'Dell wrote: > > > I rebooted yesterday, and locked up again today.... > > > >Rick O'Dell > >Net Work Administrator > >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >Behalf Of Calvin Park > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:23 PM > >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Server > > > > > >We had a similar problem on our current production mail server here > >(it's running RedHat 8 and only had 256 RAM on a...450Mhz > Pentium II). > >Same error, it just killed our antivirus (Vexira). I wasn't in the > >office at the time so the Director of Computer Services here (my > >supervisor) had it rebooted. I've been unable to reproduce > the problem > >on the box here. I had thought it might have been a RAM > issue. But if > >its doing that on your box, with a gig...I doubt that. > > > >-Calvin > > > >On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 16:30, Rick O'Dell wrote: > > > > > >> Hi all, I am having Mail Server problems. I installed > k12ltsp 4.01, > >>Postfix, MailScanner, Spamassin, ClamAV. The Box Is AMD > 1100Mgz with > >>one > >> > >> > >Gig > > > > > >>of Ram. All worked well for a couple of weeks, yesterday it > locked up, > >> > >> > >check > > > > > >>of log files shows "Mail Kernel: Out of memory Killed process 11999 > >>(MailScanner)". Can anyone tell me what's going on, and > what can I do > >>to > >> > >> > >fix > > > > > >>it???? > >> > >>Rick O'Dell > >>Net Work Administrator > >>Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > >>Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > >-- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > > >-- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 23 15:10:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:10:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <007501c470c3$b787cb00$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007501c470c3$b787cb00$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1090595400.22396.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 09:45, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Here is the tutorial that I used to set this up: > http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3647 > I am running WBEL 3.0 and have been up for about a month without any > problems. Here are some links for all of the configs referenced in the > tutorial: Personally I recommend Sendmail/MimeDefang/SpamAssassin/ClamAV because MimeDefang connects through the sendmail 'milter' interface and is able to tell sendmail to reject a message at the SMTP level based on its content. This makes it someone else's problem to deal with returning a rejection notice and in the case of viruses will usually avoid it entirely. Some of the other approaches require you to accept a message before being able to scan it. The design is also very efficient because it doesn't have to start a new program for every message. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Jul 23 15:30:55 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Just a thank you. In-Reply-To: <41000878.3090003@sages.us> Message-ID: Hi, I don't know how heavy the rock was I have been hiding under... I just found yum update. Can you say pure joy ??!! Yes I did manual updates in the past. I wanted to know what and how updates changed my system :). No more.. For those who are still using RD 7.2,7.3,8 and 9 check out http://www.fedoralegacy.org Tom V. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 23 15:43:30 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:43:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Just a thank you. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090597410.16406.134.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 08:30, aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > Hi, > I don't know how heavy the rock was I have been hiding under... > I just found yum update. Can you say pure joy ??!! Yes I did manual > updates in the past. I wanted to know what and how updates changed my > system :). No more.. For those who are still using RD 7.2,7.3,8 > and 9 check out http://www.fedoralegacy.org And for those of you using RH9 & would prefer to stick with up2date rather than yum, I built a RH9 version of the yum/apt enabled up2date from FC1. These new packages point to the K12LTSP & Fedora Legacy repositories by default... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/3.1.3/RPMS/ I'll include this in the K12LTSP 3.1.3 release that I'll do after I get back from vaction. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jul 23 16:42:03 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:42:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal was working, now stalls when loading kernel In-Reply-To: <41010754.1020006@maltzen.net> References: <41010754.1020006@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41013FDB.5010909@elp.rr.com> I have run into that problem also, more or less on a random basis with my 8 boxes. I have found it is better to shut the power to the terminal off, unplug the ethernet cable, count to three, plug it back in, and turn the terminal power back on. This works for me so see if it will work for you. Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got a 4.0.1 (FC1) k12ltsp server that has just a single thin > client. The client was booting just fine. But the server was having > trouble printing to the USB printer attached to it. So, among other > things, I rebooted the server at one point, and while I don't think > that was the actual fix, I was able to get printing to work. Then I > went back to the client machine, hit the reset button. It boots from > an etherboot floppy. It gets an IP address from the server, but when > it starts to load the kernel it seems to stall, displaying just a few > dots at a snail's pace (I gave up after 20 minutes). I suspect the > firewall (iptables) is interfering, as I think I turned it off > originally, though not permanently, to get things working. Has anyone > seen this before? I used just a standard install, no firewall > tweaking. What ports need to be open for clients to load the kernel? > > Petre > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jul 23 17:15:35 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:15:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [fmII] PyKota Print Quota System 1.19beta released (Default branch)] Message-ID: <410147B7.5080001@cfl.rr.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 23 17:16:50 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:16:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal was working, now stalls when loading kernel In-Reply-To: <41013FDB.5010909@elp.rr.com> References: <41010754.1020006@maltzen.net> <41013FDB.5010909@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <41014802.5090801@maltzen.net> I did all those things--no joy. However, I just shutdown iptables and the client login popped right up (I'm off-site, but after I shut iptables down, the user went back to his workstation and said the login screen was there). So, I'll have to twiddle with iptable settings I guess. Petre John P. Conlon wrote: > I have run into that problem also, more or less on a random basis with > my 8 boxes. I have found it is better to shut the power to the terminal > off, unplug the ethernet cable, count to three, plug it back in, and > turn the terminal power back on. This works for me so see if it will > work for you. > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I've got a 4.0.1 (FC1) k12ltsp server that has just a single thin >> client. The client was booting just fine. But the server was having >> trouble printing to the USB printer attached to it. So, among other >> things, I rebooted the server at one point, and while I don't think >> that was the actual fix, I was able to get printing to work. Then I >> went back to the client machine, hit the reset button. It boots from >> an etherboot floppy. It gets an IP address from the server, but when >> it starts to load the kernel it seems to stall, displaying just a few >> dots at a snail's pace (I gave up after 20 minutes). I suspect the >> firewall (iptables) is interfering, as I think I turned it off >> originally, though not permanently, to get things working. Has anyone >> seen this before? I used just a standard install, no firewall >> tweaking. What ports need to be open for clients to load the kernel? >> >> Petre >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 17:23:09 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages In-Reply-To: <1090509933.8020.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040723172309.92327.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Far a visual Basic alternative on Linux, I would check out Mono Basic and GTK# on www.go-mono.com . I don't think the MonoDevelop IDE, http://www.monodevelop.com/ supports Mono Basic, but it does support C#. --- Liam Marshall wrote: > In the past years, while working with the evil > empire of Microsoft, I > was teaching among other things, two programming > classes. One Grade 11 > class using the medium of Visual Basic, and one > grade 12 class using the > medium of Java. > > I have managed to convince the school to let me > break away from the evil > empire and go to linux in the lab completely. > Specifically, I am using > K12LTSP with thin clients. I have 32 workstations > all connecting to my > server now,( a bit of work but worth it compared to > the wiping out of > workstation hard drives and reloading from scratch > that I do every year > during the summer) > > I have Java workable on the workstations and am > using an IDE from SUN > (NetBeans IDE 3.6) it works great! > > Now I am looking for a replacement for Visual Basic, > which will never > work under Linux. It doesn't have to be Visual > Basic, I was just using > it before because frankly, it was an easy to learn > language with alot of > mouse work. The operative word is EASY. That way I > could focus on the > concepts of programming without having to focus on > learning the > mechanics of the programming language. With Visual > Basic the mechanics > comes more or less naturally. > > What I would like is some language usable with linux > that is of a > similar nature. I would prefer a language that has > a nice visual > component (IDE, read EASY) so that the students > introduction to > programming is not like throwing them into the deep > end of the pool of > programming. > > Does such an animal exist? And did I mention that > it should be free, at > least for schools? I convinced them to let me go to > Linux at least > partially with the argument that cost was minimal, > if anything. > > Please advice. I appreciate all your help, in > advance > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 23 18:10:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:10:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <1090595400.22396.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <008001c470e0$54d90330$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Personally I recommend > Sendmail/MimeDefang/SpamAssassin/ClamAV because MimeDefang > connects through the sendmail 'milter' interface and is able > to tell sendmail to reject a message at the SMTP level based > on its content. This makes it someone else's problem to deal > with returning a rejection notice and in the case of viruses > will usually avoid it entirely. Some of the other approaches > require you to accept a message before being able to scan it. > The design is also very efficient because it doesn't have to > start a new program for every message. I remember you recommending this approach to me when I was originally setting things up. I just went the other way because it was the only setup that did everything I was looking for, of which I was able to find an extremely simple and complete tutorial. A lot of the other stuff I found just confused me :-) But the advantages you state make good sense, I am not sure but I believe with the setup described in the tutorial MailScanner heads up 2 instances of Postfix. So the postfix.in receives the messages, hands it to MailScanner, and then if things pass it hands it to the other instance of postfix for delivery. I am sure this would consume more resources than your Sendmail setup. We only receive a couple thousand messages a day so I have not seen a problem here. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 From les at futuresource.com Fri Jul 23 23:05:35 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:05:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <008001c470e0$54d90330$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008001c470e0$54d90330$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1090623934.32398.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 13:10, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am sure > this would consume more resources than your Sendmail setup. We only > receive a couple thousand messages a day so I have not seen a problem > here. A virus-infected machine can generate thousands of messages an hour that you'd have to reject, though, and the rejections may consume more resources than a delivery. Your logs should show if this is happening when you have problems. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 23 23:12:05 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:12:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] bad link 'http://k12linux.org/netadmin/samba.html' Message-ID: <41019B45.70308@paasda.org> on this page... smb.conf docs in the right column.... *was hoping to find some examples* I can see my samba server in 'my network places' (using XP Pro) but can't open it or see anything... Ideas? =) Example smb.conf files?!?! Cheers, --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 23 23:20:10 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:20:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Server In-Reply-To: <1090623934.32398.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <008001c470e0$54d90330$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <1090623934.32398.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41019D2A.7020208@paasda.org> Les, You think you could do a writeup on this topic? Would be helpful to point out to admins why NOT to use virus targeted e-mail apps etc... Personally I'm in love with Thunderbird for a mail client...small, easy to configure, and works great! And also help we overlabor'd network admins learn something new about how the whole 'email beast' works.. Personally am using debian with exim4/clamav/spamassassin...because it's easy peasy to set-up on a base debian install. I used sendmail on my very first linux server(back on redhat 5.something) and it wasn't easy to setup(prolly a reason so...) --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 13:10, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>I am sure >>this would consume more resources than your Sendmail setup. We only >>receive a couple thousand messages a day so I have not seen a problem >>here. >> >> > >A virus-infected machine can generate thousands of messages an >hour that you'd have to reject, though, and the rejections may >consume more resources than a delivery. Your logs should show >if this is happening when you have problems. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Jul 23 23:58:45 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:58:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Programming Languages Message-ID: <1090627125.5020.0.camel@server.ltsp> Thanks for all the replies and opinions. I have looked into a few of them and thought I kind of like Python, using IDLE Its clean, and simple, but expands with their, the students knowledge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Thought this to of some use to fellow LTSP'ers, especially for those LTSP >labs on a budget trying to limit consumables. > >Cheers, > >-------- Original Message -------- > >Subject: [fmII] PyKota Print Quota System 1.19beta released (Default >branch) >Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) >From: [ mailto:noreply at freshmeat.net ]noreply at freshmeat.net >To: [ mailto:noreply at freshmeat.net ]noreply at freshmeat.net > > > >This email is to inform you about the release of version '1.19beta' of >'PyKota Print Quota System' through freshmeat.net. All URLs and other >useful information can be found at > > [ http://freshmeat.net/projects/pykota/ >]http://freshmeat.net/projects/pykota/ > >The changes in this release are as follows: >LPRng support has been rewritten so that hardware accounting is done >immediately, just as for CUPS support. The CUPS support 99% CPU usage >problem has been fixed. Software accounting now natively handles >PostScript (DSC compliant and binary), PDF, PCL5, and PCLXL (a.k.a. >PCL6). Strict enforcement of quotas is configurable, as well as >automated bug reports. An X Window OSD print quota reminder utility >has been introduced. The configuration hinter for CUPS has be >improved. > >Release focus: >5 - Major feature enhancements > >Project added: >Sat, Feb 8th 2003 10:00 (1 year, 5 months ago) > >Project description: >PyKota is a centralized and extensible print quota system for the >Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS) and LPRng. It features per-printer >user and group quotas, automated email warning to users and quota >administrator, commandline tools which mimic the disk quota >utilities, PostgreSQL and OpenLDAP backends, and much more. > >Trove categories: >[Development Status >[Environment ] Console (Text Based), Web Environment >[Intended Audience ] System Administrators >[License ] OSI Approved :: GNU General Public License (GPL) >[Operating System ] POSIX, Unix >[Programming Language] Python >[Topic ] Office/Business :: Financial :: Accounting, >Printing, System, System :: Logging, System :: Systems Administration, >Utilities > >If you would like to cancel subscription to releases of this project, >login to freshmeat.net a >top of the page. 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From fhkms at adelphia.net Sat Jul 24 10:28:53 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 6:28:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy use Message-ID: <20040724102853.VTOR28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I discovered yesterday that the only floppy drive I can use on my newly installed k12 terminal-server setup is the one on the server. I mounted the floppy on the server from a terminal window (it won't let me do it via graphical interface), and as I did this, a student who was logged onto a work station noticed the floppy icon appear on his desktop. I suppose this could be handy in some cases, but I really need is for a student to be able to walk into the computer lab, insert his floppy into any workstation floppy drive, mount it, and use it. If I try to mount a floppy on a workstation as it stands, I get a message saying it can't be done (from the terminal window or graphic interface. Could someone give me detailed instructions on how to do this? Thanks From info at proex-india.com Sat Jul 24 10:29:29 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:59:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Campus Management Software Message-ID: Suggest Me some Good Campus Management Software which will keep track of my Students , Administration and student's Hostel Needs Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Jul 24 18:33:27 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:33:27 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] floppy use In-Reply-To: <20040724102853.VTOR28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040724102853.VTOR28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <200407241433.28322.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Saturday 24 July 2004 06:28 am, Will Hatch wrote: > I discovered yesterday that the only floppy drive I can use on my newly > installed k12 terminal-server setup is the one on the server. I mounted > the floppy on the server from a terminal window (it won't let me do it via > graphical interface), and as I did this, a student who was logged onto a > work station noticed the floppy icon appear on his desktop. I suppose this > could be handy in some cases, but I really need is for a student to be able > to walk into the computer lab, insert his floppy into any workstation > floppy drive, mount it, and use it. If I try to mount a floppy on a > workstation as it stands, I get a message saying it can't be done (from > the terminal window or graphic interface. Could someone give me detailed > instructions on how to do this? Thanks Hi Will, I know there's a link somewhere ...but I can't find it. So, briefly, you need to edit the file /etc/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. Look in that file for a line that reads: #RCFILE_01 = floppyd Remove the # from the front and reboot you ltsp client. Now you will have a floppy tool on each users desktop. Please note that this tool works like an ftp tool allowing users to copy files to and from the floppy. They will not be able to open files directly from other programs. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From brian at fahrlander.net Sun Jul 25 09:00:22 2004 From: brian at fahrlander.net (Brian Fahrlander) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 04:00:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS...problem? Message-ID: <1090746021.14608.7.camel@aquila.kamakiriad.local> Uhm, guys? I just read the ypserv/ypbind man pages. It tells me that I can't run an NIS server AND a client on the same machine. ...I've been running it like that for several years! Now I have a problem...do I *really* need to move the NIS server someplace else, or is this something K12LTSP for which there's a workaround? Sound quit...passwords are expiring, and I can only change them with NIS turned off... Anyone done this stuff recently? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrl?nder Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://www.fahrlander.net ICQ 5119262 AIM: WheelDweller ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lee at renarts.org Sun Jul 25 15:26:55 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:26:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D21CE5.3030304@hosef.org> References: <1087509802.2072.19.camel@big.ox.com> <40D21CE5.3030304@hosef.org> Message-ID: <0F9155C7-DE4F-11D8-A057-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Is the dual Opteron sufficiently supported by Linux to make it goo choice for DIY over a dual Xeon? Lee Myrick On Jun 17, 2004, at 3:36 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > We suggest this as a baseline for a 20+ lab. Ram and additional CPU > power should be purchased according to your projected application use. > We use software raid for the system drives, and we use hardware raid > for > the backup/data drives. The drives are in removable racks to permit > easy removal in time of disaster or for repair. > > http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=805266 > > For schools here in Hawaii not afraid to DIY, we suggest that they > order > the above components and we help them to assemble it. If buying from a > vendor, it enables them to better understand the cost of hardware and > the value that integrators provide. > > - --scott From lee at renarts.org Sun Jul 25 16:05:28 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:05:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <40D21CE5.3030304@hosef.org> References: <1087509802.2072.19.camel@big.ox.com> <40D21CE5.3030304@hosef.org> Message-ID: <722A097E-DE54-11D8-A057-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> I looked at your list on NewEgg and had a question: could you explain your drive setup in a little more detail? Like what kind of raid you're running on each set of drives. Lee Myrick Information Services Administrator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 626-564-0902 home office 323-259-5700 school site On Jun 17, 2004, at 3:36 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > We suggest this as a baseline for a 20+ lab. Ram and additional CPU > power should be purchased according to your projected application use. > We use software raid for the system drives, and we use hardware raid > for > the backup/data drives. The drives are in removable racks to permit > easy removal in time of disaster or for repair. > > http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=805266 > > For schools here in Hawaii not afraid to DIY, we suggest that they > order > the above components and we help them to assemble it. If buying from a > vendor, it enables them to better understand the cost of hardware and > the value that integrators provide. From daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie Mon Jul 26 06:58:22 2004 From: daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie (daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:58:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? Message-ID: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55E0@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> I'm in Ireland - and I use full stop ... don't go getting pedantic on my *ss :) -----Original Message----- From: Bert Rolston [mailto:bert.rolston at clear.net.nz] Sent: 22 July 2004 23:14 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quite ? Hi Huck, It depends on what part of this world you live! I speak American AND English! ;-) A period "down under" refers to a set amount of time eg. class OR cyclic biological events of a feminine nature. :-0 The term full stop is used instead, to avoid "embarrassment". So we've come to the end of the period with a full stop. :-) Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 04:33, Huck wrote: > don't you mean periods? =) > > --Huck > > daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: > > >*gets scalpel* > > > >OK now class, lets dissect this email and show the originatorperson up for > >exactly what they are! :) > > > >Gavin - you spelt your full-stops completely wrong :p > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jonathan Carter [mailto:jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org] > >Sent: 22 July 2004 15:14 > >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Quite ? > > > > > >Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi All... > >> > >>Is it just me or dose this list seem really really quite > >> > >> > >> > > > >oooohh. you won't get away with a mistake like that on a list of teachers! > > > >-JC > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > >====================================================== > >This email and any attached files are confidential and may > >be legally privileged. 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Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ====================================================== This email and any attached files are confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by telephone at ++353 1 6035800 or email emailadmin at iibbank.ie and then delete this email. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, and shall have no liability for any loss or damage suffered by the user, which arise as a result of email transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Jul 26 13:22:02 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:22:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Quite ? In-Reply-To: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55E0@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> References: <3F970CFB981A47429E892EB5D00399891A55E0@ilfgexc.iibgroup.ie> Message-ID: <4105057A.9080201@shuttleworthfoundation.org> daniel.hunt at iibbank.ie wrote: >I'm in Ireland - and I use full stop ... don't go getting pedantic on my *ss >:) > > In South Africa it seems like everyone is saying 'dot', like in a URL. It can be irritating sometimes... -Jonathan From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jul 26 14:36:49 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:36:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Window resizing Message-ID: <41051701.4020103@inlandlakes.org> I just installed beta14 on my personal computer here, and have an issue I haven't seen in a while. When resizing a mozilla window, chaos seems to ensue. That happened to me a while back, but I haven't seen it in a while, so I thought it was a bug that was squashed. The symptoms are hard to describe. The window just... doesn't resize right. I can move the mouse, and the window size flickers to all different shapes, and never really goes where I put it. It's more annoying than anything, but since I have an entire staff coming soon, I know I'll hear about it. Anyone seen this? Anyone know a solution? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From rbarnich at a2t.com Mon Jul 26 17:39:40 2004 From: rbarnich at a2t.com (Rick Barnich) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:39:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Alpha14/beta1 SMP problem Message-ID: <410541DC.8040202@a2t.com> I just installed BETA1 on an Intel D865GLC MB w/ 2.4GHz P4 w/hyperthreading, 2GB RAM, 2x250GBSATA HD (RAID1). System refuses to boot past initrd stage. Works fine with hyperthreading disabled or non SMP kernel selected. Has worked fine for months with Gentoo 1.4(2.6.X)/LTSP, and boots Knoppix 3.4 (2.6.6) fine. Any Ideas? Rick Barnich From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 26 18:22:49 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:22:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] macromedia.mplug.org problems? Message-ID: I have just set up a new server with FC1 cd's, the same set I used a few days ago and went to apt-get update and it times out on macromedia.mplug.org and will not continue. Is there any way to fix this? I went to the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/macromedia.list and commented out the two macromedia lines and it would go on but would never woor correctly after that. Any ideas? Thank you! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jul 26 19:08:49 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:08:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] macromedia.mplug.org problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090868929.3584.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 11:22, Doug Simpson wrote: > I have just set up a new server with FC1 cd's, the same set I used a few > days ago and went to apt-get update and it times out on > macromedia.mplug.org and will not continue. > > Is there any way to fix this? I went to the > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/macromedia.list and commented out the two > macromedia lines and it would go on but would never woor correctly after > that. > > Any ideas? The macromedia plugin repository is hosted on the same system as the www.fedora.us repositories. That system was down over the weekend. Looks like its back up now. Warren Togami's announcement re: the planned downtime: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-July/thread.html -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From scott at hosef.org Mon Jul 26 19:43:38 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:43:38 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] macromedia.mplug.org problems? In-Reply-To: <1090868929.3584.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1090868929.3584.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41055EEA.6040208@hosef.org> Dan Young wrote: > > The macromedia plugin repository is hosted on the same system as the > www.fedora.us repositories. That system was down over the weekend. Looks > like its back up now. The building at UH where the server is located is undergoing power upgrades. These require that all power be turned off to the building for extended periods. There is no generator. These upgrades have been taking place over the last three weekends if anyone else has had trouble. There is potential for a last outage this weekend. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/PR Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From scott at hosef.org Mon Jul 26 21:36:20 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:36:20 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] server hardware advice needed In-Reply-To: <0F9155C7-DE4F-11D8-A057-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <1087509802.2072.19.camel@big.ox.com> <40D21CE5.3030304@hosef.org> <0F9155C7-DE4F-11D8-A057-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <41057954.4080804@hosef.org> Lee Myrick wrote: > Is the dual Opteron sufficiently supported by Linux to make it goo > choice for DIY over a dual Xeon? Yes, I believe so. I have followed the threads of SMP with great interest. There seem to be concerns but successes with using one of the Fedora-based distros of the K12LTSP. We had concerns, but have had success so far. We entertained 3.1.2 because of this concern, but found that the scsi controller on the mobo was not supported by the kernel. Had we not intended to use software scsi raid, we would have gone with this more conservative version. This mobo has kernel support, as of the current stable release of k12ltsp, for everything but the on-board sata controller. Tyan provides a driver, but the 3ware controller negates the need. > I looked at your list on NewEgg and had a question: could you explain > your drive setup in a little more detail? Like what kind of raid > you're running on each set of drives. Our build objective is for a baseline ltsp server with redundant system drives and removable archiving media. Our choice for system drives are 15k rpm scsi drives. The 5-year warranty is a big reason for this. We software raid array the drives, raid1 (mirrored). We mount the drives in the chassis. The current build list lacks the needed brackets to mount the drives because we have so many on hand. It also lacks a second scsi cable. With removable hard drives being as cost effective as they are, we used 7200rpm sata drives. We hardware raid array them with a 2 channel 64-bit 3ware sata raid controller. We place the drives in removable trays. The controller has a web interface that a teacher can easily operate in order to remove or replace a drive. Mounting home to and archiving to the removable drives makes it a little easier, we believe, to shelve the archives after an appropriate number of school years and easily add new drives. In case of catastrophe or even for daily, off-site removal, we find this to be rather user friendly. The cons of software raid arrays, as many pointed out to me in our k12ltsp classes last weekend, include the lack of an easy "button" to click that rebuilds the array. While many of us know how easily sfdisk and raidhotadd, tools of the CLI, can accomplish this, building such a skillset in self-sustaining labs is challenging. We are trying. While a proponent of software raid, our future build lists may just go with all sata drives and controllers. Observe the results of some bonnie tests on different arrays: http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/hosef-managers/2004q2/001841.html --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/PR Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Jul 27 05:30:39 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:30:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Serving DHCP on the other ETH without booting thin clients there Message-ID: <001801c4739a$dacfdd30$0801000a@winworkstation> Hey, Does anyone know what I have to do to serve DHCP on the other eth device, just to use my k12ltsp server as a dhcp server for my regular network? Where do I set what so I don't screw up my terminal setup. Thanks, ck From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Jul 27 09:51:48 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 5:51:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] users and groups Message-ID: <20040727095148.NOOM28609.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> As I get closer to the school year, I am beginning to add the students and teachers, as users of our k12 network. I created a couple of groups, students and teachers. What are all the other groups for? Is it possible to use the utility in the graphic interface to restrict specific applications for specific groups and users? I can't find any documentation that states what all these different groups are for. Thanks! -Will From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Jul 27 09:56:03 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 5:56:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering Message-ID: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> After looking into content filtering a little bit, it seems to me that it is unlikely that I will have the necessary knowledge to install iptables, squidguard, and Dan's Guardian, by the time school starts. It just seems too complicated for me at this point. Is there a reasonably priced content filtering program that I could purchase and install via cd to my server that would get me through this year? I've seen several that either do not give pricing, or charge per machine. Technically, I'd only be installing on ONE machine. Any direction on this would be appreciated. Thanks! -Will From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jul 27 11:40:31 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:40:31 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1090928430.22095.10.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 06:56, Will Hatch wrote: > After looking into content filtering a little bit, it seems to me that it is unlikely that I will have the necessary knowledge to install iptables, squidguard, and Dan's Guardian, by the time school starts. It just seems too complicated for me at this point. Is there a reasonably priced content filtering program that I could purchase and install via cd to my server that would get me through this year? I've seen several that either do not give pricing, or charge per machine. Technically, I'd only be installing on ONE machine. Any direction on this would be appreciated. Thanks! -Will I am not sure when you school starts but the last time I did it (as a test) it took just a few hours. I seem to remember that the instructions were pretty good. Tim From haysja at sages.us Tue Jul 27 12:19:10 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:19:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4106483E.60106@sages.us> We use Dan's Guardian on an IPCop machine (http://www.ipcop.org). Use V 1.3. (We are having some problems with 1.4.) Instructions for installing Dan's Guardian on IPCop can be found here. (http://www.ipcop.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IPCop/IPCopDGHowto). I have one running in each of our 5 school buildings. Best of all is the price.... ($0)...... Will Hatch wrote: >After looking into content filtering a little bit, it seems to me that it is unlikely that I will have the necessary knowledge to install iptables, squidguard, and Dan's Guardian, by the time school starts. It just seems too complicated for me at this point. Is there a reasonably priced content filtering program that I could purchase and install via cd to my server that would get me through this year? I've seen several that either do not give pricing, or charge per machine. Technically, I'd only be installing on ONE machine. Any direction on this would be appreciated. Thanks! -Will > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 27 13:30:56 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:30:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <41065910.7000605@maltzen.net> Time or money: You can purchase SmoothGuardian at www.smoothwall.net, which is the 'official' commercial version of Dansguardian. Presumably, buying that will include support for getting it setup. For 500 users it's $1770, but that might be money well spent if you're in a hurry. Me, I'd spend a day or two trying to do it on my own before plunking down the money, especially since several others here on the list are already using Dansguardian. Petre Will Hatch wrote: >After looking into content filtering a little bit, it seems to me that it is unlikely that I will have the necessary knowledge to install iptables, squidguard, and Dan's Guardian, by the time school starts. It just seems too complicated for me at this point. Is there a reasonably priced content filtering program that I could purchase and install via cd to my server that would get me through this year? I've seen several that either do not give pricing, or charge per machine. Technically, I'd only be installing on ONE machine. Any direction on this would be appreciated. Thanks! -Will > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 27 13:43:24 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:43:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <4106483E.60106@sages.us> Message-ID: <002201c473df$b00056d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > We use Dan's Guardian on an IPCop machine > (http://www.ipcop.org). Use V > 1.3. (We are having some problems with 1.4.) Instructions for > installing Dan's Guardian on IPCop can be found here. > (http://www.ipcop.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IPCop/IPCopDGHowto). > > I have one running in each of our 5 school buildings. > > Best of all is the price.... ($0)...... I second this. All you need is a box (anything over a 133mhz with 32mb ram should rock) with 2 or 3 NIC's, depending on if you want a DMZ. Download the IPCOP CD image and make a CD. Then boot the machine from the CD and let it walk you through the simple steps. When finished it reboots and your router is complete and able to be administered from http://yourip:81. Then follow the instructions from IPCops website to download the Add-ons package. Simply move this package to the IPCop box and extract. Now in your Webadmin you will have a new tab for Add-ons. Just navigate to this tab and click install on anything that applies to your situation, this will automatically download DansGuardian and a bunch of other cool stuff. Within an hour you will be rocking without having to know anything about what you are doing. Also DansGuardian comes loaded by default with many rules already active. From my experience you just need to loosen things to your liking or just leave it. If you have any trouble I can send you my step by step documentation (less than one page). And again the price, not free, but 1 hour of you life :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Jul 27 13:46:28 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:46:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DED0@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Will Hatch >> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 5:56 AM >> >> After looking into content filtering a little bit, it seems >> to me that it is unlikely that I will have the necessary >> knowledge to install iptables, squidguard, and Dan's >> Guardian, by the time school starts. It just seems too >> complicated for me at this point. Is there a reasonably >> priced content filtering program that I could purchase and >> install via cd to my server that would get me through this >> year? I've seen several that either do not give pricing, or >> charge per machine. Technically, I'd only be installing on >> ONE machine. Any direction on this would be appreciated. >> Thanks! -Will I also was a bit overwhelmed by this task and thought it might be beyond me. I decided to give it a try and setup a firewall for my home. I was rewarded with a surprisingly easy setup. I found an old Pentium II computer, installed SmoothWall 2.0 (from http://www.smoothwall.org/) and then followed the instructions here http://projects.elmadera.com/sw/dansguardian.htm to get DansGuardian set up and running. It really didn't take as long as I expected and it is working well. I did have to modify the /etc/dansguardian/bannedmimetypelist and bannedextensionlist to allow zip files or my Windows machines could not update their virus definitions from Symantec but that was a simple change. -- Henry From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jul 27 13:49:05 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:49:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <002201c473df$b00056d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002201c473df$b00056d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41065D51.5070304@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I second this. All you need is a box (anything over a 133mhz with 32mb > ram should rock) with 2 or 3 NIC's, depending on if you want a DMZ. What about CPU needs of DG? Also, since ipcop doesn't support SCSI, does the cache beat this machine up? (or can you set DG not to cache?) My problem is that I have a quad xeon (only 550mhz cpus) server with SCSI drives that I plan to install squid on -- but if I could get it all into one gateway/filter box, it'd make me happier. :) Anyone have any real-world "gut feelings" about CPU/Disk needs for an ipcop/DG combination? Right now, I have our ipcop running on a 500mhz PIII with a plain jane 20GB hard drive... Dare I install Dans on it? I figured it would puke out fast under a load... Thanks for opening this thread Will. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 27 14:17:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:17:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <41065D51.5070304@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002301c473e4$7368eb10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > What about CPU needs of DG? Also, since ipcop doesn't support SCSI, > does the cache beat this machine up? (or can you set DG not > to cache?) > > My problem is that I have a quad xeon (only 550mhz cpus) server with > SCSI drives that I plan to install squid on -- but if I could > get it all > into one gateway/filter box, it'd make me happier. :) > > Anyone have any real-world "gut feelings" about CPU/Disk needs for an > ipcop/DG combination? Right now, I have our ipcop running on > a 500mhz > PIII with a plain jane 20GB hard drive... Dare I install > Dans on it? I > figured it would puke out fast under a load... > > Thanks for opening this thread Will. :) I am the type who likes to overkill everything. My box is a dual 333mhz with 256mb ram and a 4GB IDE. This is just one that was laying in the scrap pile otherwise I would have never used a dual proc box. The dorm that this machine is in front of only has about 80 users in it. I works perfect for that. But this should also run an entire school from my understanding. If you look at high end solutions such as that from Cisco, their PIX Firewalls are at best 500mhz with minimal ram. The cache engines do usually run a single scsi I believe but I don't see why a 7200 ide wouldn't work. If you want to be safe grab an old 1GHZ machine, slap 512mb of RAM in it, and run IDE Hardware RAID. But from what I found in this list when I posted about it and from internet searching, that would be major overkill. I want to run for about half of the year with the Dorm on one of these boxes and then I will build one to put in front of every school if things go smoothly. After that I would have a better idea of what hardware you actually need. One nice thing about the IPCop is the automatic installation of the Add-ons now and the easy updates. Also I messed around with swapping NIC's just in case one went bad, and even if I put in a totally different brand and type of NIC (as long as it was the same quantity in the same PCI slot) IPCop automatically transferred the configs to it and restarted without any changes from me. As far as how it handles cache and whether or not you can turn it off, I have no idea, I just know it works awesome and the interface is excellent. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 From haysja at sages.us Tue Jul 27 14:29:20 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:29:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <41065D51.5070304@inlandlakes.org> References: <002201c473df$b00056d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41065D51.5070304@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <410666C0.1010204@sages.us> Our IPCop/DansGuardian machine for our main campus is a 1 Ghz Pentium with 512 MB RAM and an 80 GB HD (overkill). I got it new last year for about $350. Put IP Cop on it, installed DG and we were filtering away for <$500 with new equipment. This serves two schools and about 350 workstations and does the job well. It is as much (or more) machine that what you get when buying a commercial appliace for $3000-5000. IPCop 1.4 does support SCSI, but we could not find an easy install of DG for 1.4. I do know of someone who does have DG ruinning on IPCop 14. with SCSI drives. The cache is not a problem here and I do have it turned on. Shawn Powers wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> I second this. All you need is a box (anything over a 133mhz with 32mb >> ram should rock) with 2 or 3 NIC's, depending on if you want a DMZ. > > > What about CPU needs of DG? Also, since ipcop doesn't support SCSI, > does the cache beat this machine up? (or can you set DG not to cache?) > > My problem is that I have a quad xeon (only 550mhz cpus) server with > SCSI drives that I plan to install squid on -- but if I could get it > all into one gateway/filter box, it'd make me happier. :) > > Anyone have any real-world "gut feelings" about CPU/Disk needs for an > ipcop/DG combination? Right now, I have our ipcop running on a 500mhz > PIII with a plain jane 20GB hard drive... Dare I install Dans on it? > I figured it would puke out fast under a load... > > Thanks for opening this thread Will. :) > > -Shawn > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Jul 27 15:03:53 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:03:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <4106483E.60106@sages.us> References: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <4106483E.60106@sages.us> Message-ID: <41066ED9.60809@criticalcontrol.com> Jim Hays wrote: > We use Dan's Guardian on an IPCop machine (http://www.ipcop.org). Use > V 1.3. (We are having some problems with 1.4.) Instructions for > installing Dan's Guardian on IPCop can be found here. > (http://www.ipcop.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IPCop/IPCopDGHowto). > I recognize the name but never looked at DG, so this is probably a stupid question but can DG be configured is such a way that it filters/not filters depending on the user? Can it be done per user or is it per ip address? Thanks Peter From qmail2 at chilitech.com Tue Jul 27 15:05:10 2004 From: qmail2 at chilitech.com (Matt) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:05:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on LTSP and IceWM Message-ID: <1090940709.2001.21.camel@hopper.chilitech.net> Hi, I have installed LTSP from K12LTSP and am running ICEWM. What do I need to do to get the screensaver/lock to work in IceWM? -- Matt From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Tue Jul 27 15:46:08 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (dale.quigg at aspentech.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:46:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: internet content filtering Message-ID: On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 06:56, Will Hatch wrote: > After looking into content filtering a little bit, it seems to me that it > is unlikely that I will have the necessary knowledge to install iptables, > squidguard, and Dan's Guardian, by the time school starts. It just > seems too complicated for me at this point. Is there a reasonably > priced content filtering program that I could purchase and install via > cd to my server that would get me through this year? I've seen several > that either do not give pricing, or charge per machine. Technically, > I'd only be installing on ONE machine. Any direction on this would > be appreciated. Thanks! -Will I'm using ClarkConnect (www.clarkconnect.com) for my firewall/filter. For $245, you can get ClarkConnect Office (perhaps you only need the Professional for $220) which includes system monitoring, updates to the OS, and updates to the blacklists for 3 years. They have a helpful user community and I've had good support from them. Hope this helps. Dale This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. 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If you ssh in from outside (like from home) it gives you the last logged in information like it is supposed to and then sits there for the rest of your life, unless you CTRL-C at which time it drops you to the naked bash propmt (looks like the one you get when you boot the server to single-user). Any ideas how to fix this? Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 27 16:46:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:46:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 11:07, Doug Simpson wrote: > Fedora Core 1 (several boxen are doing this, all installed from the same > cd set. . .) > > If you ssh into the server from the LAN, it goes right in and all is well. > > If you ssh in from outside (like from home) it gives you the last logged > in information like it is supposed to and then sits there for the rest of > your life, unless you CTRL-C at which time it drops you to the > naked bash propmt (looks like the one you get when you boot the server to > single-user). > > Any ideas how to fix this? Among other things that happen when you log in, the system tries to do an IDENT query back to the source of the connection and a DNS lookup for the connecting IP address. These should time out eventually but could take a few minutes if a firewall drops the query or response. It might also look up the DNS name for the interface you connect on. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 27 17:39:12 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:39:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: This has always not been a problem until these last two servers, though. It has always just worked. . . Thanks. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 11:07, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Fedora Core 1 (several boxen are doing this, all installed from the same > > cd set. . .) > > > > If you ssh into the server from the LAN, it goes right in and all is well. > > > > If you ssh in from outside (like from home) it gives you the last logged > > in information like it is supposed to and then sits there for the rest of > > your life, unless you CTRL-C at which time it drops you to the > > naked bash propmt (looks like the one you get when you boot the server to > > single-user). > > > > Any ideas how to fix this? > > Among other things that happen when you log in, the system tries to > do an IDENT query back to the source of the connection and a DNS > lookup for the connecting IP address. These should time out eventually > but could take a few minutes if a firewall drops the query or > response. It might also look up the DNS name for the interface > you connect on. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 27 18:00:13 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:00:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <41065D51.5070304@inlandlakes.org> References: <002201c473df$b00056d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41065D51.5070304@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4106982D.9020904@paasda.org> Shawn, Huck is using redhat 7.something... with squid and dansguardian...with caching... with a 20 or 30 gig IDE HD that fills up quite regularly during the school year...(haven't tweaked or played with it much) I like it when my systems are built and require little to no maintenance... it is a P3 600 with 128 megs of ram... it is also a firewall/gateway machine...and does ip masquerading and dhcp oh and the version of DG I'm using is whatever was out there in 2001 when I built this box out... =) Have done no upgrades except 'up2date'...and I don't use the AV plugin either ... dansguardian at yahoogroups.com is what DG uses for it's listserv-like thing. I subscribe but usually just end up deleting about 50 mails a day without reading them...*shrugs* every now and again one of interest comes up... Here is one of the interesting ones I kept: DG 2.6.1 & SmoothWall install guide is here: http://projects.elmadera.com DG 2.7.7 + AV pligin 4.3 & SmoothWall install guide is here: http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8071 Enjoy =) --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> I second this. All you need is a box (anything over a 133mhz with 32mb >> ram should rock) with 2 or 3 NIC's, depending on if you want a DMZ. > > > What about CPU needs of DG? Also, since ipcop doesn't support SCSI, > does the cache beat this machine up? (or can you set DG not to cache?) > > My problem is that I have a quad xeon (only 550mhz cpus) server with > SCSI drives that I plan to install squid on -- but if I could get it > all into one gateway/filter box, it'd make me happier. :) > > Anyone have any real-world "gut feelings" about CPU/Disk needs for an > ipcop/DG combination? Right now, I have our ipcop running on a 500mhz > PIII with a plain jane 20GB hard drive... Dare I install Dans on it? > I figured it would puke out fast under a load... > > Thanks for opening this thread Will. :) > > -Shawn > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 27 18:12:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:12:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering In-Reply-To: <41066ED9.60809@criticalcontrol.com> References: <20040727095603.TVKD2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <4106483E.60106@sages.us> <41066ED9.60809@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <41069AF8.6000708@paasda.org> DG...has exception lists as well... for URL/IP ADDY/....users are done at the Squid Level if you are authenticating to the proxy I believe... --Huck Pete wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> We use Dan's Guardian on an IPCop machine (http://www.ipcop.org). >> Use V 1.3. (We are having some problems with 1.4.) Instructions for >> installing Dan's Guardian on IPCop can be found here. >> (http://www.ipcop.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IPCop/IPCopDGHowto). >> > I recognize the name but never looked at DG, so this is probably a > stupid question but can DG be configured is such a way > that it filters/not filters depending on the user? > > Can it be done per user or is it per ip address? > > Thanks > > Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From david at okgoodwill.org Tue Jul 27 18:11:26 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:11:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119B7B@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> This is SOO confusing, as I'm on both the DansGuardian and k12ltsp lists. But good synergy! -dBarr. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 27 20:11:16 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:11:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> I'm seeing something similar: ssh to FC1 (k12ltsp 4.0.1) via LAN is fine, but coming from outside through firewall stalls for...let's see...roughly two minutes and fifteen seconds after I've entered my password. After that time elapses, I finally get a prompt. Or if I'm impatient, Ctrl-C will drop me to a bare prompt. My kludge workaround has been then to run '. .bashrc'. I just figured it was the firewall blocking something. But it happens no matter where I connect from, although it doesn't happen on other sites that I connect to. This problem site has just the one box. My source address won't resolve to a name though, but that doesn't explain why other sites I connect to don't have the same problem. My home webserver is also FC1 but not K12ltsp and it does not have this problem. Petre Doug Simpson wrote: >This has always not been a problem until these last two servers, though. > >It has always just worked. . . > >Thanks. . . > > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 11:07, Doug Simpson wrote: >> >> >>>Fedora Core 1 (several boxen are doing this, all installed from the same >>>cd set. . .) >>> >>>If you ssh into the server from the LAN, it goes right in and all is well. >>> >>>If you ssh in from outside (like from home) it gives you the last logged >>>in information like it is supposed to and then sits there for the rest of >>>your life, unless you CTRL-C at which time it drops you to the >>>naked bash propmt (looks like the one you get when you boot the server to >>>single-user). >>> >>>Any ideas how to fix this? >>> >>> >>Among other things that happen when you log in, the system tries to >>do an IDENT query back to the source of the connection and a DNS >>lookup for the connecting IP address. These should time out eventually >>but could take a few minutes if a firewall drops the query or >>response. It might also look up the DNS name for the interface >>you connect on. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 27 20:25:22 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:25:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Petre has the same problem and mine are also the K12LTSP cd set. One of them is installed without any of the K12LTSP stuff though (unchecked LTSP during install). I am glad I am not the only one, but we need a solution to this. . . Thanks again! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm seeing something similar: ssh to FC1 (k12ltsp 4.0.1) via LAN is > fine, but coming from outside through firewall stalls for...let's > see...roughly two minutes and fifteen seconds after I've entered my > password. After that time elapses, I finally get a prompt. Or if I'm > impatient, Ctrl-C will drop me to a bare prompt. My kludge workaround > has been then to run '. .bashrc'. I just figured it was the firewall > blocking something. But it happens no matter where I connect from, > although it doesn't happen on other sites that I connect to. This > problem site has just the one box. My source address won't resolve to a > name though, but that doesn't explain why other sites I connect to don't > have the same problem. My home webserver is also FC1 but not K12ltsp > and it does not have this problem. > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > >This has always not been a problem until these last two servers, though. > > > >It has always just worked. . . > > > >Thanks. . . > > > > > > > >Doug Simpson > >Technology Specialist > >DeQueen Public Schools > >DeQueen, AR 71832 > >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >Tux for President! > > > >On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 11:07, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Fedora Core 1 (several boxen are doing this, all installed from the same > >>>cd set. . .) > >>> > >>>If you ssh into the server from the LAN, it goes right in and all is well. > >>> > >>>If you ssh in from outside (like from home) it gives you the last logged > >>>in information like it is supposed to and then sits there for the rest of > >>>your life, unless you CTRL-C at which time it drops you to the > >>>naked bash propmt (looks like the one you get when you boot the server to > >>>single-user). > >>> > >>>Any ideas how to fix this? > >>> > >>> > >>Among other things that happen when you log in, the system tries to > >>do an IDENT query back to the source of the connection and a DNS > >>lookup for the connecting IP address. These should time out eventually > >>but could take a few minutes if a firewall drops the query or > >>response. It might also look up the DNS name for the interface > >>you connect on. > >> > >>--- > >> Les Mikesell > >> les at futuresource.com > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 27 20:26:21 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:26:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Another note, Petre says the home webserver is FC1 and don't have the problem. Mine at home does hav FC1 and K12LTSP and it don;t have the problem, either. . . Just these ones here at the school. Thanks. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm seeing something similar: ssh to FC1 (k12ltsp 4.0.1) via LAN is > fine, but coming from outside through firewall stalls for...let's > see...roughly two minutes and fifteen seconds after I've entered my > password. After that time elapses, I finally get a prompt. Or if I'm > impatient, Ctrl-C will drop me to a bare prompt. My kludge workaround > has been then to run '. .bashrc'. I just figured it was the firewall > blocking something. But it happens no matter where I connect from, > although it doesn't happen on other sites that I connect to. This > problem site has just the one box. My source address won't resolve to a > name though, but that doesn't explain why other sites I connect to don't > have the same problem. My home webserver is also FC1 but not K12ltsp > and it does not have this problem. > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > >This has always not been a problem until these last two servers, though. > > > >It has always just worked. . . > > > >Thanks. . . > > > > > > > >Doug Simpson > >Technology Specialist > >DeQueen Public Schools > >DeQueen, AR 71832 > >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >Tux for President! > > > >On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > > > >>On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 11:07, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Fedora Core 1 (several boxen are doing this, all installed from the same > >>>cd set. . .) > >>> > >>>If you ssh into the server from the LAN, it goes right in and all is well. > >>> > >>>If you ssh in from outside (like from home) it gives you the last logged > >>>in information like it is supposed to and then sits there for the rest of > >>>your life, unless you CTRL-C at which time it drops you to the > >>>naked bash propmt (looks like the one you get when you boot the server to > >>>single-user). > >>> > >>>Any ideas how to fix this? > >>> > >>> > >>Among other things that happen when you log in, the system tries to > >>do an IDENT query back to the source of the connection and a DNS > >>lookup for the connecting IP address. These should time out eventually > >>but could take a few minutes if a firewall drops the query or > >>response. It might also look up the DNS name for the interface > >>you connect on. > >> > >>--- > >> Les Mikesell > >> les at futuresource.com > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 27 22:27:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:27:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1090967232.3439.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 15:26, Doug Simpson wrote: > Another note, Petre says the home webserver is FC1 and don't have the > problem. > > Mine at home does hav FC1 and K12LTSP and it don;t have the problem, > either. . . Just these ones here at the school. The servers all make the same DNS query. Some are getting answers, some wait the 2+ minutes for a DNS timeout because of some firewalling issue. It may be an iptables setting on the machine itself or it may some external firewall. More rarely, it might be a problem with the DNS server that handles the reverse (number to name) lookup but normally if you can contact the server at all you'll get a quick failure and firewalls dropping packets cause slow timeouts. A stock k12ltsp install has it's own nameserver for the inside subnet so you won't see the problem when you connect from there. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Tue Jul 27 22:56:23 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:56:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: <1090967232.3439.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> <1090967232.3439.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4106DD97.8010808@chartermi.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 15:26, Doug Simpson wrote: > > The servers all make the same DNS query. Some are getting answers, > some wait the 2+ minutes for a DNS timeout because of some firewalling > issue. It may be an iptables setting on the machine itself or > it may some external firewall. More rarely, it might be a > problem with the DNS server that handles the reverse (number to > name) lookup but normally if you can contact the server at > all you'll get a quick failure and firewalls dropping packets > cause slow timeouts. A stock k12ltsp install has it's own > nameserver for the inside subnet so you won't see the problem > when you connect from there. I've seen the same problem with a stock FC1 box. Strangely enough, if I pinged the box first, the ssh connection would work immediately. If I logged in, worked, logged out and waited a few hours, the ssh delay would happen again. I had disabled iptables and still had this problem. But the solution for me was to update the server with all FC1 updates. Two kernel updates ago, the problem went away and it has not been a problem since. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jul 28 00:18:23 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:48:23 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: <1090967232.3439.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> <1090967232.3439.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1090973902.3056.0.camel@roop.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 03:57, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 15:26, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Another note, Petre says the home webserver is FC1 and don't have the > > problem. > > > > Mine at home does hav FC1 and K12LTSP and it don;t have the problem, > > either. . . Just these ones here at the school. > > The servers all make the same DNS query. Some are getting answers, > some wait the 2+ minutes for a DNS timeout because of some firewalling > issue. It may be an iptables setting on the machine itself or > it may some external firewall. More rarely, it might be a > problem with the DNS server that handles the reverse (number to > name) lookup but normally if you can contact the server at > all you'll get a quick failure and firewalls dropping packets > cause slow timeouts. A stock k12ltsp install has it's own > nameserver for the inside subnet so you won't see the problem > when you connect from there. Would'nt adding the home machine IP and name in the /etc/hosts file solve this problem of DNS lookup time? HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Jul 28 00:22:51 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:52:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on LTSP and IceWM In-Reply-To: <1090940709.2001.21.camel@hopper.chilitech.net> References: <1090940709.2001.21.camel@hopper.chilitech.net> Message-ID: <1090974171.3056.4.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 20:35, Matt wrote: > Hi, > I have installed LTSP from K12LTSP and am running ICEWM. What do I need > to do to get the screensaver/lock to work in IceWM? Although I have not setup lock per se on our system but almost all the behaviour of IceWM is controlled by configuration file. You have to edit the configuration file: /usr/share/icewm/preferences Locate the relevant section and uncomment or set to true HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 28 01:28:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:28:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh and a wierd problem. . . In-Reply-To: <1090973902.3056.0.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1090946767.28175.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4106B6E4.4030101@maltzen.net> <1090967232.3439.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1090973902.3056.0.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1090978088.5715.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 19:18, Sudev Barar wrote: > Would'nt adding the home machine IP and name in the /etc/hosts file > solve this problem of DNS lookup time? If the home machine had a fixed ip address that would work but most home connections change frequently. You can try an nslookup on the IP number to see if it resolves quickly or not, or for a little more information (if anything is working) use 'dig' with the in-addr.arpa form of the number (1.2.3.4 becomes 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Wed Jul 28 16:05:43 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:05:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions Message-ID: <1091030743.3787.6.camel@ltsp.local> Hello and thanks for reading. I have a co Part I: There are only 4-6 people using my LTSP at a time. I would like to setup a very small Intranet Webserver on this machine since it already has everything that one would need. I have two static IP Addresses for my LTSP Server - the LTSP Side is 192.168.0.208 and the LAN side for the remainder of my network is 192.168.1.208. From a machine on the LTSP side (one of the terminals) I go to mozilla and enter the IP address (either 192.168.0.208/192.168.1.208) and I get a message that the connection is refused. I try from one of the Windows machines on the LAN Side and I get this page cannot be displayed. I did place a htm page inside of the var/www and var/www/html directories (Didn't know which to use). Another bit of info - I have webmin installed as well. I can connect from the windows machine using a web browser to 192.168.1.208:10000. Any ideas on what I should check? Part IIa: This relates to Part I. I would like to use VNC to control the LTSP box from my Windows 2000 workstation - long and complicated reason. I am not set on using VNC, but I would like to use something to access the LTSP from my Win2000 workstation. Part IIb: Is there anything I can do to view Client Sessions? I would like to be able to log into the server and connect up to the client window to keep me from running all over the building if a user was having trouble. Part III: When I was in college we would use Finger to see who was signed on at that time. When I try Finger on the LTSP - it only displays me and maybe one other user. What should I use to see who is currently logged into the server? Thanks for any advice and have a great day! Mike From haysja at sages.us Wed Jul 28 16:18:20 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:18:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions In-Reply-To: <1091030743.3787.6.camel@ltsp.local> References: <1091030743.3787.6.camel@ltsp.local> Message-ID: <4107D1CC.4040908@sages.us> I can take a shot at Part IIa. VNC works well for this. I am using VNC right now to connect to one of my K12LTSP boxes. It works very well. Michael Elliott wrote: >Hello and thanks for reading. I have a co > >Part I: >There are only 4-6 people using my LTSP at a time. I would like to >setup a very small Intranet Webserver on this machine since it already >has everything that one would need. I have two static IP Addresses for >my LTSP Server - the LTSP Side is 192.168.0.208 and the LAN side for the >remainder of my network is 192.168.1.208. From a machine on the LTSP >side (one of the terminals) I go to mozilla and enter the IP address >(either 192.168.0.208/192.168.1.208) and I get a message that the >connection is refused. I try from one of the Windows machines on the >LAN Side and I get this page cannot be displayed. I did place a htm >page inside of the var/www and var/www/html directories (Didn't know >which to use). Another bit of info - I have webmin installed as well. >I can connect from the windows machine using a web browser to >192.168.1.208:10000. Any ideas on what I should check? > >Part IIa: >This relates to Part I. I would like to use VNC to control the LTSP box >from my Windows 2000 workstation - long and complicated reason. I am >not set on using VNC, but I would like to use something to access the >LTSP from my Win2000 workstation. > >Part IIb: >Is there anything I can do to view Client Sessions? I would like to be >able to log into the server and connect up to the client window to keep >me from running all over the building if a user was having trouble. > >Part III: >When I was in college we would use Finger to see who was signed on at >that time. When I try Finger on the LTSP - it only displays me and >maybe one other user. What should I use to see who is currently logged >into the server? > >Thanks for any advice and have a great day! >Mike > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 28 16:21:30 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:21:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions In-Reply-To: <1091030743.3787.6.camel@ltsp.local> References: <1091030743.3787.6.camel@ltsp.local> Message-ID: <4107D28A.5020200@maltzen.net> Part I: Make sure Apache is running by typing 'ps -ef | grep httpd'; if you get nothing, Apache isn't running. If that's the case, try 'service httpd start' to start Apache. If it fails to start, you'll have to delve into the httpd.conf file. If Apache is already running, type 'nmap localhost' to get a list of open ports, and verify that http is listening on port 80. If it's not, or you get no answer, Linux's firewall (/etc/sysconfig/iptables) may have the port blocked. Webmin provides its own httpd server, I believe, so the fact that it's working doesn't have any bearing on whether Apache is working or not. Part IIa: You should be able to point the vncviewer on the Windows box to the LTSP server on port 5900, 5901, 5902, perhaps others, and get the same login screen as the terminals. Note that with VNC, you only use the last two digits of the port number. So, for example, from the windows box, point VNC at 192.168.1.208:00 or 192.168.1.208:01 and you should get the login screen. If you don't, check the /etc/services file to make sure the vncserver is setup (it's usually at the bottom of the file). I'll leave the remaining questions to others with experience in those areas. Petre Michael Elliott wrote: >Hello and thanks for reading. I have a co > >Part I: >There are only 4-6 people using my LTSP at a time. I would like to >setup a very small Intranet Webserver on this machine since it already >has everything that one would need. I have two static IP Addresses for >my LTSP Server - the LTSP Side is 192.168.0.208 and the LAN side for the >remainder of my network is 192.168.1.208. From a machine on the LTSP >side (one of the terminals) I go to mozilla and enter the IP address >(either 192.168.0.208/192.168.1.208) and I get a message that the >connection is refused. I try from one of the Windows machines on the >LAN Side and I get this page cannot be displayed. I did place a htm >page inside of the var/www and var/www/html directories (Didn't know >which to use). Another bit of info - I have webmin installed as well. >I can connect from the windows machine using a web browser to >192.168.1.208:10000. Any ideas on what I should check? > >Part IIa: >This relates to Part I. I would like to use VNC to control the LTSP box >from my Windows 2000 workstation - long and complicated reason. I am >not set on using VNC, but I would like to use something to access the >LTSP from my Win2000 workstation. > >Part IIb: >Is there anything I can do to view Client Sessions? I would like to be >able to log into the server and connect up to the client window to keep >me from running all over the building if a user was having trouble. > >Part III: >When I was in college we would use Finger to see who was signed on at >that time. When I try Finger on the LTSP - it only displays me and >maybe one other user. What should I use to see who is currently logged >into the server? > >Thanks for any advice and have a great day! >Mike > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 28 16:42:33 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:42:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions In-Reply-To: <1091030743.3787.6.camel@ltsp.local> References: <1091030743.3787.6.camel@ltsp.local> Message-ID: <4107D779.2060509@paasda.org> Part III: 'who' =) Michael Elliott wrote: >Hello and thanks for reading. I have a co > >Part I: >There are only 4-6 people using my LTSP at a time. I would like to >setup a very small Intranet Webserver on this machine since it already >has everything that one would need. I have two static IP Addresses for >my LTSP Server - the LTSP Side is 192.168.0.208 and the LAN side for the >remainder of my network is 192.168.1.208. From a machine on the LTSP >side (one of the terminals) I go to mozilla and enter the IP address >(either 192.168.0.208/192.168.1.208) and I get a message that the >connection is refused. I try from one of the Windows machines on the >LAN Side and I get this page cannot be displayed. I did place a htm >page inside of the var/www and var/www/html directories (Didn't know >which to use). Another bit of info - I have webmin installed as well. >I can connect from the windows machine using a web browser to >192.168.1.208:10000. Any ideas on what I should check? > >Part IIa: >This relates to Part I. I would like to use VNC to control the LTSP box >from my Windows 2000 workstation - long and complicated reason. I am >not set on using VNC, but I would like to use something to access the >LTSP from my Win2000 workstation. > >Part IIb: >Is there anything I can do to view Client Sessions? I would like to be >able to log into the server and connect up to the client window to keep >me from running all over the building if a user was having trouble. > >Part III: >When I was in college we would use Finger to see who was signed on at >that time. When I try Finger on the LTSP - it only displays me and >maybe one other user. What should I use to see who is currently logged >into the server? > >Thanks for any advice and have a great day! >Mike > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jul 28 17:07:17 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:07:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns In-Reply-To: <4107D779.2060509@paasda.org> Message-ID: I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), Postfix, Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't understand. "rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port 32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or has someone been playing with my server?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jul 28 17:17:42 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:17:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns Message-ID: Sorry if this runs twice...... I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), Postfix, Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't understand. "rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port 32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or has someone been playing with my server?????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jul 28 17:28:45 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:28:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9420727C-E0BB-11D8-9D6C-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well rpc is used by NFS, ipp is CUPS (common unix printing system) On Jul 28, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Sorry if this runs twice...... > I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), > Postfix, > Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't > understand. > "rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port > 32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or > has > someone been playing with my server?????? > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEH4kcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSOUQCfVQfcTEePozlkmC/NN+6p2y7g Ga0Ani1sBD8O8DAm8IEJCTaE2gHYAx2i =EfZB - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEH4k0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQSDACeMaHPcRdXW2ZlfAFz3HBttZHU i4IAni6pMRscE/tCkqFNvgry7IdmGz9j =SFZa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jul 28 17:41:33 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:41:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns In-Reply-To: <9420727C-E0BB-11D8-9D6C-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: Thanks, maybe its legit... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Burke Almquist Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:29 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Security Concerns -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well rpc is used by NFS, ipp is CUPS (common unix printing system) On Jul 28, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Sorry if this runs twice...... > I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), > Postfix, > Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't > understand. > "rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port > 32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or > has > someone been playing with my server?????? > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEH4kcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSOUQCfVQfcTEePozlkmC/NN+6p2y7g Ga0Ani1sBD8O8DAm8IEJCTaE2gHYAx2i =EfZB - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkEH4k0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQSDACeMaHPcRdXW2ZlfAFz3HBttZHU i4IAni6pMRscE/tCkqFNvgry7IdmGz9j =SFZa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 From smoogen at lanl.gov Wed Jul 28 18:06:17 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen Smoogen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Sorry if this runs twice...... > I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), Postfix, >Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't understand. >"rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port >32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or has >someone been playing with my server?????? All of those look legit for a diskless server on its inside network (if LTSP is still using the setup it did in 2001). Seeing it on the outside network (the part facing the internet) it is a concern because all of those are 'untrustable' services. rpcbind is portmap and is needed for NFS ipp is cups and needed for printing. rpc3/5 are probably the mount points. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- "We cannot have a free government without elections; and if the -- rebellion could force us to forgo, or postpone, a national election, -- it might fairly claim to have already conquered us." Abraham Lincoln From scott at hosef.org Wed Jul 28 18:29:14 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:29:14 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4107F07A.5040303@hosef.org> Rick O'Dell wrote: > Sorry if this runs twice...... > I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), Postfix, > Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't understand. > "rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port > 32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or has > someone been playing with my server?????? > Your /etc/services file is a great place to look for an "index" of what all the ports are for. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/PR Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jul 28 18:42:39 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:42:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you for responding, I appreciate the information. I am very new to Linux.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Smoogen Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Security Concerns On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Sorry if this runs twice...... > I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), Postfix, >Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't understand. >"rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port >32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or has >someone been playing with my server?????? All of those look legit for a diskless server on its inside network (if LTSP is still using the setup it did in 2001). Seeing it on the outside network (the part facing the internet) it is a concern because all of those are 'untrustable' services. rpcbind is portmap and is needed for NFS ipp is cups and needed for printing. rpc3/5 are probably the mount points. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- "We cannot have a free government without elections; and if the -- rebellion could force us to forgo, or postpone, a national election, -- it might fairly claim to have already conquered us." Abraham Lincoln _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Jul 28 18:44:12 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:44:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Concerns In-Reply-To: <4107F07A.5040303@hosef.org> Message-ID: Thank you I'll check it out, another piece to the puzzle... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:29 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Security Concerns Rick O'Dell wrote: > Sorry if this runs twice...... > I ran nmap localhost on a ltsp4.01 machine (Mail Server), Postfix, > Mail Scanner, ClamAV, Openwebmail. Some of the results I don't understand. > "rpcbind on port 111, ipp on port 631, rpc3 on port 32770, rpc5 on port > 32771." Are these ports legitimate, do I need them to be running, or has > someone been playing with my server?????? > Your /etc/services file is a great place to look for an "index" of what all the ports are for. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/PR Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.261 / Virus Database: 263.4.11 - Release Date: 7/27/2004 From dalen at czexan.net Wed Jul 28 18:43:38 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] howto temporary block badguy? Message-ID: <4107F3DA.5000602@czexan.net> Hello, I would like to temporarily block various machines that connect to my server based on certain events. For instance, if a machine connects to my mail server and sends a virus 3 times in a 15 minute window, block that machine via iptables for 24 hours. The same goes for machines that look for IIS exploits, open ports, etc. Does anyone have a pointer to a project similar to this? Is there a good reason not to block a machine? Would you adjust occurance/time trigger or block time? Thanks, Dale From haysja at sages.us Wed Jul 28 19:48:17 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:48:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] howto temporary block badguy? In-Reply-To: <4107F3DA.5000602@czexan.net> References: <4107F3DA.5000602@czexan.net> Message-ID: <41080301.6090702@sages.us> Snort/Acid/Guardian. The Guardian component is the one that blocks the machine. Snort logs the attack. Acid makes the logs easier to read and Guardian blocks the offender for 24 hours. Read this article for more. http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2532,subcat-NETWORKING.html Read the blurb on Guardian. dale wrote: > Hello, > I would like to temporarily block various machines that connect to > my server based on certain events. For instance, if a machine > connects to my mail server and sends a virus 3 times in a 15 minute > window, block that machine via iptables for 24 hours. The same goes > for machines that look for IIS exploits, open ports, etc. > Does anyone have a pointer to a project similar to this? > Is there a good reason not to block a machine? > Would you adjust occurance/time trigger or block time? > > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jul 28 19:53:04 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:53:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728125143.01bc3840@pop.easystreet.com> How can they have a front page story about thin clients and not mention [k12]ltsp? Does somebody have to be making money off something for it to be [news]worthy? http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/07/28/thinner.computing.ap/index.html ck From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 28 20:02:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:02:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728125143.01bc3840@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728125143.01bc3840@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1091044928.21505.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 14:53, Carl Keil wrote: > How can they have a front page story about thin clients and not mention > [k12]ltsp? Does somebody have to be making money off something for it to > be [news]worthy? It helps a lot if you are paying for advertising in the trade rags, but even if you don't a lot of what gets printed there and in the news comes straight out of a company's own press release that they send to every outlet they can find. If you don't blow your own horn nobody else will do it for you... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nbs at sonic.net Wed Jul 28 20:14:32 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:14:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news In-Reply-To: <1091044928.21505.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728125143.01bc3840@pop.easystreet.com> <1091044928.21505.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040728201432.GC626@sonic.net> On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 03:02:09PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > It helps a lot if you are paying for advertising in the trade rags, but > even if you don't a lot of what gets printed there and in the news comes > straight out of a company's own press release that they send to every > outlet they can find. If you don't blow your own horn nobody else will > do it for you... Time for some horn-blowing, then! :) -bill! (the LUGOD.org PR whore) From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Wed Jul 28 20:17:38 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:17:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions Message-ID: <410809E2.8040207@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Thanks for all of the advice thus far guys! The VNC is working great from my Win2000 Box to my LTSP! Just as a thought - several of my workstations have static IP addresses for attached printers. I tried to use the VNC to connect to their IP address, but I kept getting a timeout. Which makes sense since nothing is actually at the IP Address - any ideas of things to try to get access to the desktop of these machine for assisting users? Petre, I checked to make sure that apache is running and it is. However, when I ran "nmap localhost" port 80 was not listed. I went to the /etc/sysconfig/iptables file and I did not see where I should modify to allow Port 80. A bit of information that may have been useful as well would be that Dansguardian is installed with Squid as well. I failed to mention that and I did fail to check to see if it was blocking Port 80. I have been using it mainly for content filtering and monitoring. But if the system is not listening on Port 80 - would it even matter about the Dansguardin/Squid if the server was not listening? Do you have any suggestions as to where I should look for the information about the server listening on Port 80? Thanks! Huck, I tried using "who" but I get the same list as when I type "finger" Any other suggestions? Thanks! Everyone - thanks for all of the advice thus far and I'll keep plugging away at this stuff - hopefully with your help I get it all figured out. Mike From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 28 20:23:39 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:23:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor Message-ID: This keeps coming up, I know, how how do you fix it and they is it continuing to be an issue. . . Seems it could be fixed ahead of time. . . Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. What to do? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 28 20:29:52 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:29:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41080CC0.4000809@paasda.org> 6.6.1 in the ltsp manual... link below: http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN707 --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: >This keeps coming up, I know, how how do you fix it and they is it >continuing to be an issue. . . > >Seems it could be fixed ahead of time. . . > >Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. > >What to do? > >Thanks > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Jul 28 20:27:56 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:27:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41080C4C.7040702@inlandlakes.org> Doug Simpson wrote: > Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. > What to do? Check here: http://204.182.52.180/fom-serve/cache/3.html (LTSP.org's FAQ entry about that issue) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From rhlists at iwpnews.com Wed Jul 28 20:30:01 2004 From: rhlists at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:30:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1091046601.13468.64.camel@symbiont2.iwpnews.com> We fix this by doing the following (as root): ps -ef | grep defunct If the problem is a defunct process (which it always is for me), you'll get output like this: [USER NAME] 4065 3697 0 16:00 ? 00:00:00 [getstyle-gnome ] and then kill -9 [process ID] where [process ID] is the second of the two numbers that show up in the response to the ps listing. In the example above, you would do kill -9 3697 This works consistenly for us. Robert On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 16:23, Doug Simpson wrote: > This keeps coming up, I know, how how do you fix it and they is it > continuing to be an issue. . . > > Seems it could be fixed ahead of time. . . > > Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. > > What to do? > > Thanks > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 28 20:31:01 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:31:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions In-Reply-To: <410809E2.8040207@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <410809E2.8040207@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <41080D05.5020506@maltzen.net> If you can ssh into the LTSP box (using putty or whatever), that means that port 22 is open. Look at /etc/sysconfig/iptables and you'll see a line something like this: -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT Copy & paste that line, changing the 22 to 80 (make sure you don't just overwrite the line for port 22), save the file, run 'service iptables restart' and then run nmap again and see what you get. BTW, noting that the iptables file says # Firewall configuration written by redhat-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. but that redhat-config-securitylevel is braindead in that it only allows you to specify services to be accessible instead of just showing you the existing config and allowing you to add/remove/modify ports (what were they thinking?) what are other folks using to modify their firewall? Petre Michael Elliott wrote: > Thanks for all of the advice thus far guys! > > The VNC is working great from my Win2000 Box to my LTSP! Just as a > thought - several of my workstations have static IP addresses for > attached printers. I tried to use the VNC to connect to their IP > address, but I kept getting a timeout. Which makes sense since > nothing is actually at the IP Address - any ideas of things to try to > get access to the desktop of these machine for assisting users? > > Petre, > I checked to make sure that apache is running and it is. However, > when I ran "nmap localhost" port 80 was not listed. I went to the > /etc/sysconfig/iptables file and I did not see where I should modify > to allow Port 80. A bit of information that may have been useful as > well would be that Dansguardian is installed with Squid as well. I > failed to mention that and I did fail to check to see if it was > blocking Port 80. I have been using it mainly for content filtering > and monitoring. But if the system is not listening on Port 80 - would > it even matter about the Dansguardin/Squid if the server was not > listening? Do you have any suggestions as to where I should look for > the information about the server listening on Port 80? > Thanks! > > > Huck, > I tried using "who" but I get the same list as when I type "finger" > Any other suggestions? Thanks! > > > Everyone - thanks for all of the advice thus far and I'll keep > plugging away at this stuff - hopefully with your help I get it all > figured out. > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Wed Jul 28 20:33:19 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:33:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions In-Reply-To: <410809E2.8040207@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <410809E2.8040207@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <41080D8F.8020100@sages.us> Yes. Install VNC on those computers and run it as a service. Set a password and then edit the registry. We do this on every PC in our school district so we can take control of any machine at any time for remote repair. It works very well for us. Michael Elliott wrote: > Thanks for all of the advice thus far guys! > > The VNC is working great from my Win2000 Box to my LTSP! Just as a > thought - several of my workstations have static IP addresses for > attached printers. I tried to use the VNC to connect to their IP > address, but I kept getting a timeout. Which makes sense since > nothing is actually at the IP Address - any ideas of things to try to > get access to the desktop of these machine for assisting users? > > Petre, > I checked to make sure that apache is running and it is. However, > when I ran "nmap localhost" port 80 was not listed. I went to the > /etc/sysconfig/iptables file and I did not see where I should modify > to allow Port 80. A bit of information that may have been useful as > well would be that Dansguardian is installed with Squid as well. I > failed to mention that and I did fail to check to see if it was > blocking Port 80. I have been using it mainly for content filtering > and monitoring. But if the system is not listening on Port 80 - would > it even matter about the Dansguardin/Squid if the server was not > listening? Do you have any suggestions as to where I should look for > the information about the server listening on Port 80? > Thanks! > > > Huck, > I tried using "who" but I get the same list as when I type "finger" > Any other suggestions? Thanks! > > > Everyone - thanks for all of the advice thus far and I'll keep > plugging away at this stuff - hopefully with your help I get it all > figured out. > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 28 20:38:53 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:38:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Got it! the dadgummed XDMCP thing. . . I'll remember that one of these days. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > This keeps coming up, I know, how how do you fix it and they is it > continuing to be an issue. . . > > Seems it could be fixed ahead of time. . . > > Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. > > What to do? > > Thanks > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 28 20:36:57 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:36:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] what tool to modify iptables? Message-ID: <41080E69.9020408@maltzen.net> Sorry, I hajacked Mike's message previously; bad form. Noting that the /etc/sysconfig/iptables file says # Firewall configuration written by redhat-config-securitylevel # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. but that redhat-config-securitylevel is braindead in that it only allows you to specify services to be accessible instead of just showing you the existing config and allowing you to add/remove/modify ports (what were they thinking?) what are other folks using to modify their firewall? Petre From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 28 20:40:45 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions In-Reply-To: <41080D8F.8020100@sages.us> References: <410809E2.8040207@www.rpmhealthstop.org> <41080D8F.8020100@sages.us> Message-ID: I actually put it there with the login script, and install it as a service. The users can't close it, turn it off or anything else. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > Yes. Install VNC on those computers and run it as a service. Set a > password and then edit the registry. > > We do this on every PC in our school district so we can take control of > any machine at any time for remote repair. It works very well for us. > > > > Michael Elliott wrote: > > > Thanks for all of the advice thus far guys! > > > > The VNC is working great from my Win2000 Box to my LTSP! Just as a > > thought - several of my workstations have static IP addresses for > > attached printers. I tried to use the VNC to connect to their IP > > address, but I kept getting a timeout. Which makes sense since > > nothing is actually at the IP Address - any ideas of things to try to > > get access to the desktop of these machine for assisting users? > > > > Petre, > > I checked to make sure that apache is running and it is. However, > > when I ran "nmap localhost" port 80 was not listed. I went to the > > /etc/sysconfig/iptables file and I did not see where I should modify > > to allow Port 80. A bit of information that may have been useful as > > well would be that Dansguardian is installed with Squid as well. I > > failed to mention that and I did fail to check to see if it was > > blocking Port 80. I have been using it mainly for content filtering > > and monitoring. But if the system is not listening on Port 80 - would > > it even matter about the Dansguardin/Squid if the server was not > > listening? Do you have any suggestions as to where I should look for > > the information about the server listening on Port 80? > > Thanks! > > > > > > Huck, > > I tried using "who" but I get the same list as when I type "finger" > > Any other suggestions? Thanks! > > > > > > Everyone - thanks for all of the advice thus far and I'll keep > > plugging away at this stuff - hopefully with your help I get it all > > figured out. > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 28 20:46:18 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:46:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well. . . sorry. . . XDMCP fixed the VNC access thing but not terminals. . . gotta go re-examine that FAQ/Troubleshooting page. . . Doug Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > Got it! > > the dadgummed XDMCP thing. . . I'll remember that one of these days. . . > > Doug > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > This keeps coming up, I know, how how do you fix it and they is it > > continuing to be an issue. . . > > > > Seems it could be fixed ahead of time. . . > > > > Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. > > > > What to do? > > > > Thanks > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Wed Jul 28 20:58:44 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:58:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions Message-ID: <41081384.1000604@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Petre, I attempted to make the changes but my fingers go ahead of me earlier when I said that I checked iptables in /etc/sysconfig. I do not have the file iptables, I have iptables-config and there is nothing in the file that resembles the line that you posted. So - I created a file called iptables and added the one line for port 80 and attempted to restart the iptables service - I received a failed message. I typed "whereis iptables" thinking that I may be lost in the directory, but the only other one is in /sbin.... and is machine code. So - I apologize for the misdirection earlier - hopefully though I am on the right path. Thanks! Jim, Are you able to connect to your LTSP clients using VNC? I tried using the VNC Viewer to one of the LTSP Client IP addresses, and I just kept getting timeouts. I can ping the IP addresses, but I can't seem to get the VNC to work on the client IP's. It seems like I should be able to VNC the LTSP Server and specify which desktop, but I am assuming that LTSP works as like a virtual desktop of the server. Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated. I'll check in with you guys tomorrow! Mike From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Jul 28 21:02:17 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Got it for sure this time. . . I had the IP number wron in the lts.conf file for the server. . . DUH! Thanks again! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > Well. . . sorry. . . XDMCP fixed the VNC access thing but not terminals. . > . gotta go re-examine that FAQ/Troubleshooting page. . . > > Doug > > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Got it! > > > > the dadgummed XDMCP thing. . . I'll remember that one of these days. . . > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > This keeps coming up, I know, how how do you fix it and they is it > > > continuing to be an issue. . . > > > > > > Seems it could be fixed ahead of time. . . > > > > > > Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. > > > > > > What to do? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jul 28 21:09:43 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gray screen with X mouse cursor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > This keeps coming up, I know, how how do you fix it and they is it > continuing to be an issue. . . > > Seems it could be fixed ahead of time. . . > > Terminal boots but get just the gray X screen with the mouse pointer. > > What to do? Follow my gray screen howto: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/gray_screen.html Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 28 21:19:23 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:19:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions In-Reply-To: <41081384.1000604@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <41081384.1000604@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <4108185B.4070205@maltzen.net> Try running redhat-config-securitylevel, and check the boxes for http and ssh, and any other ports you saw when you ran nmap. (Hmm, the redhat-config-securitylevel tool on my RH8/K12ltsp 3.0.1 box allows me to specify additional ports besides just the standard WWW, SSH, Mail, etc., but the same tool on FC1/K12ltsp 3.1.2 does not.) BTW, I think Jim was suggesting that he's running the vncserver on Windows clients. I think there's a way to run in on LTSP's thin clients, but I think it's a bit more complicated. Petre Michael Elliott wrote: > Petre, > I attempted to make the changes but my fingers go ahead of me earlier > when I said that I checked iptables in /etc/sysconfig. I do not have > the file iptables, I have iptables-config and there is nothing in the > file that resembles the line that you posted. So - I created a file > called iptables and added the one line for port 80 and attempted to > restart the iptables service - I received a failed message. I typed > "whereis iptables" thinking that I may be lost in the directory, but > the only other one is in /sbin.... and is machine code. So - I > apologize for the misdirection earlier - hopefully though I am on the > right path. Thanks! > > Jim, > Are you able to connect to your LTSP clients using VNC? I tried using > the VNC Viewer to one of the LTSP Client IP addresses, and I just kept > getting timeouts. I can ping the IP addresses, but I can't seem to > get the VNC to work on the client IP's. It seems like I should be > able to VNC the LTSP Server and specify which desktop, but I am > assuming that LTSP works as like a virtual desktop of the server. > Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated. I'll check in > with you guys tomorrow! > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From patmo98 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 21:26:44 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:26:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vs Windows Site Message-ID: <41081A14.9090602@yahoo.com> I just saw this page. http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/ Some of the "facts" seemed to be skewed. I am trying to convince someone that Windows is not the best OS for everything. Does anyone have any comments? Yes I know that MS would try to make Windows look good, but can anyone argue with any of these statements (and have facts to back your statements up). Thanks, Patrick From haysja at sages.us Wed Jul 28 21:52:02 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:52:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vs Windows Site In-Reply-To: <41081A14.9090602@yahoo.com> References: <41081A14.9090602@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091051522.410820021244f@sages.us> Getting you "facts" about the Windows/Linux debate from a Microsoft web site is like getting your "facts" about a Kerry/Bush debate from Rush Limbaugh. Quoting Patrick Mohr : > I just saw this page. http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/ Some of the > "facts" seemed to be skewed. I am trying to convince someone that > Windows is not the best OS for everything. Does anyone have any > comments? Yes I know that MS would try to make Windows look good, but > can anyone argue with any of these statements (and have facts to back > your statements up). > Thanks, Patrick > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Jul 28 21:55:14 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:55:14 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vs Windows Site In-Reply-To: <1091051522.410820021244f@sages.us> References: <41081A14.9090602@yahoo.com> <1091051522.410820021244f@sages.us> Message-ID: <1091051714.26932.54.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 18:52, Jim Hays wrote: > Getting you "facts" about the Windows/Linux debate from a Microsoft web site is > like getting your "facts" about a Kerry/Bush debate from Rush Limbaugh. I glanced at the site and was surprised to see the Yankee Group. I didn't think anyone believed them anymore (I guess Microsoft must)... From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jul 28 21:38:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:38:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Several Different Questions Message-ID: <200407282149.i6SLnCw20128@downeast.net> If you are talking about being able to take over the session of an ltsp client using vnc..i am doing it here in Ellsworth using Karl unge's x11vnc and his newest x11vnc which allows one to scale down the vnc screen so you get teeny tiny desktops of many ltsp terminal machines..chuck > I actually put it there with the login script, and install it as a > service. The users can't close it, turn it off or anything else. . . > > Doug > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > > > Yes. Install VNC on those computers and run it as a service. Set a > > password and then edit the registry. > > > > We do this on every PC in our school district so we can take control of > > any machine at any time for remote repair. It works very well for us. > > > > > > > > Michael Elliott wrote: > > > > > Thanks for all of the advice thus far guys! > > > > > > The VNC is working great from my Win2000 Box to my LTSP! Just as a > > > thought - several of my workstations have static IP addresses for > > > attached printers. I tried to use the VNC to connect to their IP > > > address, but I kept getting a timeout. Which makes sense since > > > nothing is actually at the IP Address - any ideas of things to try to > > > get access to the desktop of these machine for assisting users? > > > > > > Petre, > > > I checked to make sure that apache is running and it is. However, > > > when I ran "nmap localhost" port 80 was not listed. I went to the > > > /etc/sysconfig/iptables file and I did not see where I should modify > > > to allow Port 80. A bit of information that may have been useful as > > > well would be that Dansguardian is installed with Squid as well. I > > > failed to mention that and I did fail to check to see if it was > > > blocking Port 80. I have been using it mainly for content filtering > > > and monitoring. But if the system is not listening on Port 80 - would > > > it even matter about the Dansguardin/Squid if the server was not > > > listening? Do you have any suggestions as to where I should look for > > > the information about the server listening on Port 80? > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > Huck, > > > I tried using "who" but I get the same list as when I type "finger" > > > Any other suggestions? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > Everyone - thanks for all of the advice thus far and I'll keep > > > plugging away at this stuff - hopefully with your help I get it all > > > figured out. > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jul 28 22:04:26 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:04:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux vs Windows Site Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728150132.01c0e780@pop.easystreet.com> I just found this site by following the sig from someone on this listserv. I've hated M$ for years, and I'm still blown away by this compendium of information. Love the categories/icons at the top, and it goes on and on.... Seems like a lot of fairly reputable sources too. http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/ ck From nbs at sonic.net Wed Jul 28 22:10:37 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:10:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux vs Windows Site In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728150132.01c0e780@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728150132.01c0e780@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20040728221037.GD18205@sonic.net> On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 03:04:26PM -0700, Carl Keil wrote: > I just found this site by following the sig from someone on this > listserv. I've hated M$ for years, and I'm still blown away by this > compendium of information. Love the categories/icons at the top, and it > goes on and on.... Seems like a lot of fairly reputable sources too. > > http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/ You're welcome! :^) -bill! (probably that guy with the .sig ;) ) bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Avoid missing ball for high score" http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ New Breed Software From nbs at sonic.net Wed Jul 28 22:12:40 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:12:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux vs Windows Site In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728150132.01c0e780@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728150132.01c0e780@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <20040728221240.GE18205@sonic.net> On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 03:04:26PM -0700, Carl Keil wrote: > I just found this site by following the sig from someone on this > listserv. I've hated M$ for years, and I'm still blown away by this > compendium of information. Love the categories/icons at the top, and it > goes on and on.... Seems like a lot of fairly reputable sources too. > > http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/ > PS - the best / most impressive ones are found by clicking the little "WOW" star-with-"!" icon. e.g.: DoS Attack May Tap Web Graphics Flaw Zombie PCs spew out 80% of spam New virus reads keys you type Worm crashes Coastguard computers AtStake CTO loses job after Microsoft report Slammer worm crashed Ohio nuke plant network ;) Sadly, sometimes the news sites' URLs die after a while, so sometimes the articles are hard to pull up. However, I always include useful summaries. :) -bill! From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Jul 29 01:33:27 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:33:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] getting firewall changes to stick using webmin Message-ID: <000501c4750c$0c750730$0801000a@winworkstation> Hey, Somebody was looking for a firewall editing tool. I've been using webmin to poke a hole for my workstation to get unfettered access to the server, but every time I reboot the server my changes are undone. Does anybody know the secret to getting them to become permanent? ck From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jul 29 07:27:06 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:27:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] what tool to modify iptables? In-Reply-To: <41080E69.9020408@maltzen.net> References: <41080E69.9020408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040729082301.02405768@pop.bgfl.org> At 21:36 28/07/2004, you wrote: >Sorry, I hajacked Mike's message previously; bad form. > >Noting that the /etc/sysconfig/iptables file says > ># Firewall configuration written by redhat-config-securitylevel ># Manual customization of this file is not recommended. > >but that redhat-config-securitylevel is braindead in that it only allows >you to specify services to be accessible instead of just showing you the >existing config and allowing you to add/remove/modify ports (what were >they thinking?) what are other folks using to modify their firewall? I use guarddog ; there are better tools around but this is what I use a home on my RH7.1 system, and based on this experience, this was my choice for the RH9 & FC1 machines at work. We've also got a smoothwall box. Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jul 29 07:34:05 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:34:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728125143.01bc3840@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728125143.01bc3840@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040729082859.02414ff8@pop.bgfl.org> There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. For those on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jul 29 07:46:45 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:46:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vs Windows Site In-Reply-To: <41081A14.9090602@yahoo.com> References: <41081A14.9090602@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040729083932.024145e8@pop.bgfl.org> At 22:26 28/07/2004, you wrote: >I just saw this page. http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/ Some of the >"facts" seemed to be skewed. I am trying to convince someone that Windows >is not the best OS for everything. Does anyone have any comments? Well I couldn't open reports "The Costs and Risks of Open Source" and "Is Linux More Secure Than Windows?"; broken PDF files. Censorship by M$? I'd say the three points displayed (Responsiveness, Thoroughness and Relative Security) illustrate how selective their research is. Kind of reminds me of when I drove a Yugo and these were officially the safest cars on the road, because no one had died in them in the measuring period. They overlooked the fact that most Yugo's wouldn't go fast enough to kill you and as the Balkans war was going on, the cars were being pulled off the road because you couldn't get spares anymore (which is why I retired mine). Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jul 29 09:59:28 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:59:28 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040729082859.02414ff8@pop.bgfl.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728125143.01bc3840@pop.easystreet.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040729082859.02414ff8@pop.bgfl.org> Message-ID: <1091095167.1667.1.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Martin, Thanks for the info. We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months behind. I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only possible explanation for the lag time. I'll keep an eye down under. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. For those > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 29 10:28:11 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:28:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news Message-ID: <200407291039.i6TAdGX04803@downeast.net> bordess in bangor maine has linux format...i make a weekly pilgrimage there for it..chuck > Hi Martin, > > Thanks for the info. > > We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months behind. > > I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only possible > explanation for the lag time. > > I'll keep an eye down under. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. For those > > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > > > Regards > > Martin Woolley > > ICT Support > > Handsworth Grammar School > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jul 29 11:15:22 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:15:22 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news In-Reply-To: <200407291039.i6TAdGX04803@downeast.net> References: <200407291039.i6TAdGX04803@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1091099721.1667.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> It costs between NZ $25 - 30 here. Still the cheapest way for me to get new distros though! I get my copy from the Post Office book shop here. Usually visit once a week to 10 days. Little side note of ho hum interest. Kiefer Sutherland has been in our neighbourhood as part of his latest movie (whoopie). So now we are world famous in New Zealand! Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 22:28, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > bordess in bangor maine has linux format...i make a weekly pilgrimage there > for it..chuck > > Hi Martin, > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months behind. > > > > I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only possible > > explanation for the lag time. > > > > I'll keep an eye down under. > > > > Cheers, > > Bert > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > > > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > > > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > > > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > > > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. For those > > > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > > > > > Regards > > > Martin Woolley > > > ICT Support > > > Handsworth Grammar School > > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > > > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > > > > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > > > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > ================================== > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > ================================== > > Specialising in system support > > alternative solutions and > > Linux operating system > > ================================== > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 29 11:40:27 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:40:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news Message-ID: <200407291151.i6TBpWX11435@downeast.net> hey anything i can put up for you to download e happy to do so...chuck > It costs between NZ $25 - 30 here. Still the cheapest way for me to get > new distros though! > > I get my copy from the Post Office book shop here. Usually visit once a > week to 10 days. > > Little side note of ho hum interest. Kiefer Sutherland has been in our > neighbourhood as part of his latest movie (whoopie). > > So now we are world famous in New Zealand! > > Cheers, > Bert > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 22:28, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > bordess in bangor maine has linux format...i make a weekly pilgrimage there > > for it..chuck > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > > > We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months behind. > > > > > > I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only possible > > > explanation for the lag time. > > > > > > I'll keep an eye down under. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bert > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > > > > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > > > > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > > > > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > > > > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. For those > > > > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Martin Woolley > > > > ICT Support > > > > Handsworth Grammar School > > > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > > > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > > > > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > > > > > > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > > > > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > -- > > > ================================== > > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > > ================================== > > > Specialising in system support > > > alternative solutions and > > > Linux operating system > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From qmail2 at chilitech.com Thu Jul 29 12:12:44 2004 From: qmail2 at chilitech.com (Matt) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:12:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to see other users? Message-ID: <1091103164.2001.37.camel@hopper.chilitech.net> Using the most recent terminal server I seem unable to see other users (sometimes)... othertimes I can see them... sometimes only some of them. What's wrong? Why is it doing this? -- Matt From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jul 29 12:25:03 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (sysadmin) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:25:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news In-Reply-To: <1091099721.1667.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <200407291039.i6TAdGX04803@downeast.net> <1091099721.1667.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040729131604.0241d198@pop.bgfl.org> At 12:15 29/07/2004, you wrote: >Little side note of ho hum interest. Kiefer Sutherland has been in our >neighbourhood as part of his latest movie (whoopie). > >So now we are world famous in New Zealand! > >Cheers, >Bert New Zealand has been famous ever since we've seen Xena and Hercules on the tele. Amongst the more discerning readers, Footrot Flats is compulsory! Back when I lived in Oz it was in the Sunday papers and boy do I miss my weekly dose. The film was on a few months back, which helped a little.... Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jul 29 12:58:17 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:58:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux vs Windows Site In-Reply-To: <1091051522.410820021244f@sages.us> References: <41081A14.9090602@yahoo.com> <1091051522.410820021244f@sages.us> Message-ID: <4108F469.8050401@maltzen.net> Or as someone else said, listening to Microsoft's advice on the GPL is like listening to Joseph Stalin's advice on the US constitution. Jim Hays wrote: >Getting you "facts" about the Windows/Linux debate from a Microsoft web site is >like getting your "facts" about a Kerry/Bush debate from Rush Limbaugh. > > >Quoting Patrick Mohr : > > > >>I just saw this page. http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/ Some of the >>"facts" seemed to be skewed. I am trying to convince someone that >>Windows is not the best OS for everything. Does anyone have any >>comments? Yes I know that MS would try to make Windows look good, but >>can anyone argue with any of these statements (and have facts to back >>your statements up). >> Thanks, Patrick >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >----------------------------------------- >Jim Hays >Technology Director >Monticello CUSD#25 >Monticello, IL 61856 >----------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From accessys at smart.net Thu Jul 29 13:21:04 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux vs Windows Site In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728150132.01c0e780@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040728150132.01c0e780@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: no matter what you tell a person they will question your bias. The easiest way to convince em maybe to ask who ever it is your talking to do a google or yahoo search "linux vs microsoft" and read the results. I did so recently and found over 3million hits, and in the first couple batches they were all linux favored. some were universities, and the Munich example was quoted etc. that way they not you find the results.... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu Jul 29 13:53:45 2004 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:53:45 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] what tool to modify iptables? Message-ID: <200407290953.45226.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Wednesday 28 July 2004 04:36 pm, Petre Scheie wrote: > but that redhat-config-securitylevel is braindead in that it only allows > you to specify services to be accessible instead of just showing you the > existing config and allowing you to add/remove/modify ports (what were > they thinking?) what are other folks using to modify their firewall? I use fwbuilder for my iptables work. http://www.fwbuilder.org/ -- Thanks, John Hansknecht Director of Technology University of Detroit Jesuit High School & Academy phone: 313-927-2321 email: john.hansknecht at udjesuit.org ------------------------------------------------------- -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jul 29 17:51:10 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:51:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] autologin certain terminals Message-ID: <4109390E.7070908@litwiller.net> I have prepaired several users accounts for our library card catalog use, how can I make the terminals in the library autologin to a certain user account? From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jul 29 18:01:52 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:01:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.1.0 beta Message-ID: <41093B90.1010108@paasda.org> Question for all those who've tested this... I'm wondering if I'd be fubar implementing this on my server next week. the FC2 component is what I'm mainly after...for the ease of Samba/Ldap'ing via Dave Trask's howto...I've done it on a test machine...but with school being out don't really have a way to actively test the distro... --Huck From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Thu Jul 29 20:00:10 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:00:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions: X11VNC & Iptables Message-ID: <4109574A.50608@www.rpmhealthstop.org> OK, I am trying something here. I am trying to connect to my LTSP Clients, which have static IP Addresses, using x11vnc. At the prompt, I type in 'x11vnc ws111.ltsp.local:0.0' I get a long screen of text (which I can post if necessary) of settings and the like. At the bottom I get the following: Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified XOpenDisplay failed (ltsp.local:1.0) I tried using the IP address as follows to connect: 'x11vnc 192.168.0.111:0' and I receive the same message. I then tried using the VNC Viewer that comes with the K12LTSP and I type in the IP Address and nothing happens - same goes for the workstation name. Any ideas on what to try? This may be related to the below as well. Petre, I tried to run the "redhat-config-securitylevel" when I typed this in and ran it I made the appropriate changes. However, when I exited I noticed that just below the line where I typed: redhat-config-securitylevel, there were two messages: Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified When I try to start the GUI "Security Level" from within X, it asks for the Password. When I type it in, it adds the keys down next to the clock, but the window never appears. I feel like I might have a larger issue here. Any ideas? Thanks everyone for all of the advice so far! Mike From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jul 29 20:19:00 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (spowers at inlandlakes.org) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.1.0 beta In-Reply-To: <41093B90.1010108@paasda.org> References: <41093B90.1010108@paasda.org> Message-ID: <32824.10.10.33.50.1091132340.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> > I'm wondering if I'd be fubar implementing this on my server next week. > the FC2 component is what I'm mainly after...for the ease of I'm in the same boat Huck -- my servers (FINALLY) arrive tomorrow, and I want to get ready for next year. I'll probably end up sticking with 4.0.1 for the whole next schoolyear. It was 4.0.1 that you got the USB sticks to work on, right? (That's my biggest "need" for next year...) BETA scares me when I'm talking about the whole district, and their first taste of linux. One meltdown is worth a thousand.. well.. a thousand something. ;) -Shawn From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Jul 29 21:42:53 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:42:53 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients in the news In-Reply-To: <200407291151.i6TBpWX11435@downeast.net> References: <200407291151.i6TBpWX11435@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1091137372.1483.4.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks Chuck, One of our real problems is the way broadband is handled here in NZ. Unlimited traffic at 128K for $40/mth. Then we get full speed with various traffic limits, and the price goes up. I'm still on 56K dialup, because I can get 150 hrs / mth for $15. When I get broadband I may take you up on the offer. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 23:40, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > hey anything i > can put up for you to download e happy to do so...chuck > > It costs between NZ $25 - 30 here. Still the cheapest way for me to get > > new distros though! > > > > I get my copy from the Post Office book shop here. Usually visit once a > > week to 10 days. > > > > Little side note of ho hum interest. Kiefer Sutherland has been in our > > neighbourhood as part of his latest movie (whoopie). > > > > So now we are world famous in New Zealand! > > > > Cheers, > > Bert > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 22:28, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > bordess in bangor maine has linux format...i make a weekly pilgrimage there > > > for it..chuck > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > > > > > We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months behind. > > > > > > > > I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only possible > > > > explanation for the lag time. > > > > > > > > I'll keep an eye down under. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > > > > > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > > > > > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > > > > > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > > > > > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. For those > > > > > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Martin Woolley > > > > > ICT Support > > > > > Handsworth Grammar School > > > > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > > > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > > > > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > > > > > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > > > > > > > > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > > > > > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > -- > > > > ================================== > > > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > > > ================================== > > > > Specialising in system support > > > > alternative solutions and > > > > Linux operating system > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > ================================== > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > ================================== > > Specialising in system support > > alternative solutions and > > Linux operating system > > ================================== > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From raven_512 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 21:44:47 2004 From: raven_512 at hotmail.com (Noel Corbett) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:44:47 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux vs Windows Site Message-ID: http://www.kernelthread.com/publications/security/uw.html A much more non biased (to either side) look at security. Worth a read, has some in depth analysis of why security problems occur. Noel _________________________________________________________________ Check out news, entertainment and more @ http://xtra.co.nz/broadband From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jul 29 22:05:27 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:05:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions: X11VNC & Iptables Message-ID: <200407292216.i6TMGTX05067@downeast.net> want my notes?? ftp to 169.244.180.188 user ltsp pw ltsp look for vnc,sxw.. use disable_ACCESS_CONTROL in lts.conf or short circuit the startx script so -ac is enabled.. > OK, I am trying something here. > > I am trying to connect to my LTSP Clients, which have static IP > Addresses, using x11vnc. > > At the prompt, I type in 'x11vnc ws111.ltsp.local:0.0' I get a long > screen of text (which I can post if necessary) of settings and the > like. At the bottom I get the following: > Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > XOpenDisplay failed (ltsp.local:1.0) > > I tried using the IP address as follows to connect: 'x11vnc > 192.168.0.111:0' and I receive the same message. > > I then tried using the VNC Viewer that comes with the K12LTSP and I type > in the IP Address and nothing happens - same goes for the workstation name. > > Any ideas on what to try? This may be related to the below as well. > > Petre, > I tried to run the "redhat-config-securitylevel" when I typed this in > and ran it I made the appropriate changes. However, when I exited I > noticed that just below the line where I typed: > redhat-config-securitylevel, there were two messages: > Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > When I try to start the GUI "Security Level" from within X, it asks for > the Password. When I type it in, it adds the keys down next to the > clock, but the window never appears. I feel like I might have a larger > issue here. Any ideas? > > Thanks everyone for all of the advice so far! > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jul 29 22:36:59 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:36:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] autologin certain terminals In-Reply-To: <4109390E.7070908@litwiller.net> References: <4109390E.7070908@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <41097C0B.4070001@litwiller.net> Adding to this request - is there a way to make icewm the default - The reason for this is: if you choose Icewm from the session menu when loging in it will use icewm-session and will run the startup file - but if you login and then run switchdesk icewm it sets up to run icewm not icewm-session so the startup file never runs. and when I try to replace the icewm in the .Xclient-defaults file with icewm-session I can't log in successfully Tim Litwiller wrote: > I have prepaired several users accounts for our library card catalog > use, how can I make the terminals in the library autologin to a > certain user account? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Jul 29 22:55:02 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:55:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] autologin certain terminals In-Reply-To: <4109390E.7070908@litwiller.net> References: <4109390E.7070908@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1091141702.9407.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 10:51, Tim Litwiller wrote: > I have prepaired several users accounts for our library card catalog > use, how can I make the terminals in the library autologin to a certain > user account? With instructions for KDM and GDM: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/TitleSearch?auto_redirect=1&s=auto+login Kiosk Mode: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDMKiosKMode -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From tim at litwiller.net Fri Jul 30 04:47:08 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:47:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] autologin certain terminals In-Reply-To: <1091141702.9407.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <4109390E.7070908@litwiller.net> <1091141702.9407.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4109D2CC.8040605@litwiller.net> Thanks for those links, I think that will do much of what I want. Dan Young wrote: >On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 10:51, Tim Litwiller wrote: > > >>I have prepaired several users accounts for our library card catalog >>use, how can I make the terminals in the library autologin to a certain >>user account? >> >> > >With instructions for KDM and GDM: >http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/TitleSearch?auto_redirect=1&s=auto+login > >Kiosk Mode: >http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDMKiosKMode > >-- >Dan Young >Parkrose School District > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jul 30 11:07:43 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:07:43 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] linux formmat 55 Message-ID: <200407301118.i6UBIfR19930@downeast.net> BTW- my last issue hadhpebolic distro on cd...i thought it was pretty cool. tried it on the laptop and it just worked. > Thanks Chuck, > > One of our real problems is the way broadband is handled here in NZ. > > Unlimited traffic at 128K for $40/mth. > > Then we get full speed with various traffic limits, and the price goes > up. > > I'm still on 56K dialup, because I can get 150 hrs / mth for $15. > > When I get broadband I may take you up on the offer. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 23:40, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > hey anything i > > can put up for you to download e happy to do so...chuck > > > It costs between NZ $25 - 30 here. Still the cheapest way for me to get > > > new distros though! > > > > > > I get my copy from the Post Office book shop here. Usually visit once a > > > week to 10 days. > > > > > > Little side note of ho hum interest. Kiefer Sutherland has been in our > > > neighbourhood as part of his latest movie (whoopie). > > > > > > So now we are world famous in New Zealand! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 22:28, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > > bordess in bangor maine has linux format...i make a weekly pilgrimage there > > > > for it..chuck > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > > > > > > > We receive that magazine here in New Zealand, but several months behind. > > > > > > > > > > I didn't think surface mail still existed, but that is the only possible > > > > > explanation for the lag time. > > > > > > > > > > I'll keep an eye down under. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 19:34, sysadmin wrote: > > > > > > There is a large feature on Linux in education in the August issue > > > > > > of Linux Pro, which comes with Linux Format. LTSP gets a mention. > > > > > > Sadly it isn't available online and AFAIK the mag doesn't reach the > > > > > > USA newstands often, but do try and keep an eye out for it. For those > > > > > > on this side of the pond, drop into WH Smiths. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Martin Woolley > > > > > > ICT Support > > > > > > Handsworth Grammar School > > > > > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > > > > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > > > > > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > > > > > > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > > > > > > > > > > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > > > > > > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > -- > > > > > ================================== > > > > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > > > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > > > > ================================== > > > > > Specialising in system support > > > > > alternative solutions and > > > > > Linux operating system > > > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > -- > > > ================================== > > > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > > > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > > > ================================== > > > Specialising in system support > > > alternative solutions and > > > Linux operating system > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 30 13:01:06 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:01:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File Permission Problem Message-ID: <000001c47635$46bea520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Don't ask why, but here is my problem. I have been hosting a MS Access Database on our OSX server but now have moved the database to the new WBEL machine. I have a problem with multiple users logging in at the same time. Lets say that "root" is the owner of the database and the enclosing folder, and "data" is the group assigned to the database and the enclosing folder. Both the owner and group on the database and folder have full permissions. User x,y,and z belong to group "data". User "x" logs into the database and the .ldb (locked database) files are created. This new file is now owned by user "x" since it was created due to their login. The owner "x" has full permissions but the group "data" has read only. So is there a way to set it so that any file created inside this folder will give both the owner and group full permissions, no matter who creates it? I know I can run a cron every so many minutes to fix this but that seems like a last resort. I figure if I could get it to work in OSX there must be a way to in Linux. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 30 13:08:21 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:08:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions: X11VNC & Iptables In-Reply-To: <200407292216.i6TMGTX05067@downeast.net> References: <200407292216.i6TMGTX05067@downeast.net> Message-ID: <410A4845.8010108@maltzen.net> Chuck- I wanted to look at your notes, but when I tried to ftp to the address below it said 'Connection refused'. Petre cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >want my notes?? ftp to 169.244.180.188 user ltsp pw ltsp look for vnc,sxw.. > >use disable_ACCESS_CONTROL in lts.conf or short circuit the startx script >so -ac is enabled.. > > > >>OK, I am trying something here. >> >>I am trying to connect to my LTSP Clients, which have static IP >>Addresses, using x11vnc. >> >>At the prompt, I type in 'x11vnc ws111.ltsp.local:0.0' I get a long >>screen of text (which I can post if necessary) of settings and the >>like. At the bottom I get the following: >>Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server >>Xlib: No protocol specified >>XOpenDisplay failed (ltsp.local:1.0) >> >>I tried using the IP address as follows to connect: 'x11vnc >>192.168.0.111:0' and I receive the same message. >> >>I then tried using the VNC Viewer that comes with the K12LTSP and I type >>in the IP Address and nothing happens - same goes for the workstation name. >> >>Any ideas on what to try? This may be related to the below as well. >> >>Petre, >>I tried to run the "redhat-config-securitylevel" when I typed this in >>and ran it I made the appropriate changes. However, when I exited I >>noticed that just below the line where I typed: >>redhat-config-securitylevel, there were two messages: >>Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server >>Xlib: No protocol specified >> >>When I try to start the GUI "Security Level" from within X, it asks for >>the Password. When I type it in, it adds the keys down next to the >>clock, but the window never appears. I feel like I might have a larger >>issue here. Any ideas? >> >>Thanks everyone for all of the advice so far! >>Mike >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 30 13:14:40 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:14:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions: X11VNC & Iptables In-Reply-To: <4109574A.50608@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <4109574A.50608@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <410A49C0.1060909@maltzen.net> Try running redhat-config-securitylevel-tui. This is the terminal-based version of the tool for configuring the firewall. It's ugly but it does allow you to specify specific port numbers in addition to the standard services, and it doesn't depend on any X libraries. RH apparently removed the 'Other ports' option in FC1 for reasons I can't fathom (bangs head against the wall). After you've run the above tool, you should have a iptables files in /etc/sysconfig which you can look at to see what's going on. Petre Michael Elliott wrote: > OK, I am trying something here. > > I am trying to connect to my LTSP Clients, which have static IP > Addresses, using x11vnc. > At the prompt, I type in 'x11vnc ws111.ltsp.local:0.0' I get a long > screen of text (which I can post if necessary) of settings and the > like. At the bottom I get the following: > Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > XOpenDisplay failed (ltsp.local:1.0) > > I tried using the IP address as follows to connect: 'x11vnc > 192.168.0.111:0' and I receive the same message. > > I then tried using the VNC Viewer that comes with the K12LTSP and I > type in the IP Address and nothing happens - same goes for the > workstation name. > > Any ideas on what to try? This may be related to the below as well. > > Petre, > I tried to run the "redhat-config-securitylevel" when I typed this in > and ran it I made the appropriate changes. However, when I exited I > noticed that just below the line where I typed: > redhat-config-securitylevel, there were two messages: > Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > When I try to start the GUI "Security Level" from within X, it asks > for the Password. When I type it in, it adds the keys down next to > the clock, but the window never appears. I feel like I might have a > larger issue here. Any ideas? > > Thanks everyone for all of the advice so far! > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 30 13:22:55 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:22:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions: X11VNC & Iptables In-Reply-To: <4109574A.50608@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <4109574A.50608@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <410A4BAF.7030200@maltzen.net> I should add that one shortcoming of redhat-config-securitylevel-tui is that it does not read the existing /etc/sysconfig/iptables configuration. That means every time you run it, you're starting over; it would probably be a good idea to have a separate window open with iptables loaded in it so you can be sure to get all the previous settings. Michael Elliott wrote: > OK, I am trying something here. > > I am trying to connect to my LTSP Clients, which have static IP > Addresses, using x11vnc. > At the prompt, I type in 'x11vnc ws111.ltsp.local:0.0' I get a long > screen of text (which I can post if necessary) of settings and the > like. At the bottom I get the following: > Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > XOpenDisplay failed (ltsp.local:1.0) > > I tried using the IP address as follows to connect: 'x11vnc > 192.168.0.111:0' and I receive the same message. > > I then tried using the VNC Viewer that comes with the K12LTSP and I > type in the IP Address and nothing happens - same goes for the > workstation name. > > Any ideas on what to try? This may be related to the below as well. > > Petre, > I tried to run the "redhat-config-securitylevel" when I typed this in > and ran it I made the appropriate changes. However, when I exited I > noticed that just below the line where I typed: > redhat-config-securitylevel, there were two messages: > Xlib: connection to "ltsp.local:1.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > When I try to start the GUI "Security Level" from within X, it asks > for the Password. When I type it in, it adds the keys down next to > the clock, but the window never appears. I feel like I might have a > larger issue here. Any ideas? > > Thanks everyone for all of the advice so far! > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 30 13:26:29 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:26:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] what tool to modify iptables? In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040729082301.02405768@pop.bgfl.org> References: <41080E69.9020408@maltzen.net> <6.0.3.0.0.20040729082301.02405768@pop.bgfl.org> Message-ID: <410A4C85.2000604@maltzen.net> Apparently I'm not the first to complain about the lack of an 'Other ports' option in redhat-config-securitylevel: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=105827 I don't have FC2 installed anywhere. Could someone who is testing Eric's latest beta run redhat-config-securitylevel to see if they fixed the problem and report back to the list? Petre sysadmin wrote: > At 21:36 28/07/2004, you wrote: > >> Sorry, I hajacked Mike's message previously; bad form. >> >> Noting that the /etc/sysconfig/iptables file says >> >> # Firewall configuration written by redhat-config-securitylevel >> # Manual customization of this file is not recommended. >> >> but that redhat-config-securitylevel is braindead in that it only >> allows you to specify services to be accessible instead of just >> showing you the existing config and allowing you to add/remove/modify >> ports (what were they thinking?) what are other folks using to modify >> their firewall? > > > I use guarddog ; there are better tools around but this is > what I use a home on my RH7.1 system, and based on this > experience, this was my choice for the RH9 & FC1 machines at work. > We've also got a smoothwall box. > > > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please > notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and > not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 30 13:42:20 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:42:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More File Permission problems Message-ID: <000101c4763b$09ba2a40$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> For some reason I am not receiving my own message out for File Permissions so I am starting a new thread. I found the umask command and issued umask 007 inside the directory in question. I then issued a umask to verify what the directory was set at. I then created a file with vi called test. I issued a list -l and found my permissions were now setting correctly as 0770. But my .ldb database file still sets as 0744. Also if I drag a file over from a Windows machine (via SMB) I also get the 0744 permissions. Is there something special you have to do to get the umask to work with SMB or am I screwed? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Jul 30 14:38:53 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:38:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.0 beta 1: last call for bug fixes! Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362DEF6@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Harrison >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:10 PM >> >> On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 12:08, Henry Hartley wrote: >> >> > I booted with Knoppix and it works fine so I'm pretty sure I'm not having a >> > hardware problem. When I try to start the network, however, eth0 fails to >> > start. I imagine it is something obvious and I'm just being dense but I >> > don't know what the problem is. Would the default firewall settings prevent >> > the computer from reaching the network completely? I turned off the >> > firewall and that didn't seem to make any difference. >> >> What model Compaq Deskpro? We used to have some of these things, I had >> problems with the tlan network cards and replaced them with something >> else. That was a long time ago, maybe even in the kernel v2.2 days, I'm >> not sure if that would still be a problem... >> >> If you let us know the exact model, we can google for it... >> Also, try booting the Knoppix disc, opening up a shell, and running: >> dmesg | less >> and looking for info about the network card (eth0). >> The boot back into K12LTSP and look at the dmesg output there. >> Hopefully something different between the two will jump out. I finally got back to this. Turns out is was bad hardware after all. Although Knoppix worked, it started getting flaky and then stopped working all together. I replaced the card and everything seems good. It's a slow machine but anyway, it works. Of course, it's just a single machine and probably won't be much help finding any potential problems with the beta but I'm happy to say it works great. For the benefit of those considering this version for a production environment, it really comes down to the level of risk you are willing to live with. If you need something that is better than 99.9% reliable, I wouldn't use ANY beta product and if you have smp I'd probably go with 3.x (if I had to do it now). If you are willing to live with something that is in the neighborhood of 98% reliable, then I would consider K12LTSP 4.1beta. It's probaly going to work for you but you have to be willing to take that small chance that it will not. For me, for a lab, I'd say it is good enough. For a replacement for faculty/staff network, I'd wait a little longer. -- Henry From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Jul 30 16:29:20 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:29:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall changes in webmin Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040730092812.01b9b368@pop.easystreet.com> Does anyone know how to get firewall changes, done in webmin, to still be there after a reboot? I can't figure it out, and I've spent hours on it. Thanks, ck From dgough at papcs.com Thu Jul 29 15:18:02 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:18:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This list,like, totally rocks, man!!! Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C22C@xms.papcs.com> I was just reading through the mail from this list like I do every couple of days, and I realized that I've been doing so for close to 3 years now. So what? Well, we don't use a Linux terminal server, or any Linux workstations at the school where I work :-( But being a regular reader of this list has provided me with more useful Linux ideas than all of the other Linux lists I've been a part of. The friendly tone and willingness to help each other is outstanding. I think that's, like, far out. Doug Gough -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgough at papcs.com Thu Jul 29 15:09:24 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:09:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C22B@xms.papcs.com> We use CensorNet (http://www.censornet.com) for all of our internet access control. In incorporates Squid, DansGuardian, and logging/reports into a very nice and easy to use package. It's opensource and free, and of course you can purchase support and blacklist updates on a subscription basis. I'm very happy with it after 2 years of use. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Will Hatch Sent: July 27, 2004 2:56 AM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] internet content filtering After looking into content filtering a little bit, it seems to me that it is unlikely that I will have the necessary knowledge to install iptables, squidguard, and Dan's Guardian, by the time school starts. It just seems too complicated for me at this point. Is there a reasonably priced content filtering program that I could purchase and install via cd to my server that would get me through this year? I've seen several that either do not give pricing, or charge per machine. Technically, I'd only be installing on ONE machine. Any direction on this would be appreciated. Thanks! -Will _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jul 30 18:46:03 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:46:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] transfering dansguardian to ipcop temp folder with gftp Message-ID: <20040730184603.UHCF2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Hi everyone, I have installed a ipcop box in front of my k12ltsp server. It is working well, and now I need to install dansguardian onto it. instructions say to move the file to the temp folder on the ipcop machine. I think I can do this with gftp, but I don't know how to do it. can anybody walk me through this? thanks. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Jul 30 18:58:25 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:58:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] what tool to modify iptables? In-Reply-To: <41080E69.9020408@maltzen.net> References: <41080E69.9020408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1091213905.24295.12.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 13:36, Petre Scheie wrote: > what are other folks using to modify their firewall? I like using Shorewall myself. It basically takes the very dense syntax of iptables and breaks it out into much more accessible configuration files. http://www.shorewall.net/ -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon Office- 541.767.3778 Mobile- 541-501-1197 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Jul 30 20:28:04 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:28:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] firewall changes in webmin Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040730132551.01beaef8@pop.easystreet.com> This didn't go out to the digest for some reason, so I'm sending again. Please excuse me if it comes through twice. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Does anyone know how to get firewall changes, done in webmin, to still be there after a reboot? I can't figure it out, and I've spent hours on it. Thanks, ck From nbs at sonic.net Fri Jul 30 20:48:12 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:48:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Picnic in Sunnyvale, CA Message-ID: <20040730204812.GD28491@sonic.net> Any K12OSN folks who'll be in the SF Bay Area for LinuxWorld next week, if you're still in the area that Saturday (August 7th), come join us at Picn*x13! http://www.linuxpicnic.org/ << End-Of-Plug >> -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Avoid missing ball for high score" http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ New Breed Software From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 30 20:56:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:56:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transfering dansguardian to ipcop temp folder with gftp In-Reply-To: <20040730184603.UHCF2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040730184603.UHCF2023.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20040730205427.M82986@winonacotter.org> > instructions say to move the file to the temp folder on the ipcop > machine. Just use scp at a command line from your K12LTSP box. Use the following syntax: #scp dansguardian.tgz root at 192.168.1.1:/tmp Substitute dansguardian.tgz with the actual filename the 192.168.1.1 with the actual IP to your IPCop box. That should do it. If you are in Windows download WinSCP and use that. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jul 30 21:30:24 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:30:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More File Permission problems In-Reply-To: <000101c4763b$09ba2a40$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000101c4763b$09ba2a40$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <410ABDF0.40505@maltzen.net> I had this same problem a few years ago. Using swat to configure samba (because it's easy that way), you can set the mask for a given share by clicking on the Advanced View and about halfway down you'll see a bunch of umask settings. Likewise, there are similar settings under the Advanced View on the Global page if you want to change the umask system-wide. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >For some reason I am not receiving my own message out for File >Permissions so I am starting a new thread. > >I found the umask command and issued umask 007 inside the directory in >question. I then issued a umask to verify what the directory was set >at. I then created a file with vi called test. I issued a list -l and >found my permissions were now setting correctly as 0770. But my .ldb >database file still sets as 0744. Also if I drag a file over from a >Windows machine (via SMB) I also get the 0744 permissions. > >Is there something special you have to do to get the umask to work with >SMB or am I screwed? > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 30 22:27:59 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:27:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More File Permission problems In-Reply-To: <410ABDF0.40505@maltzen.net> References: <000101c4763b$09ba2a40$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <410ABDF0.40505@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20040730222617.M8910@winonacotter.org> > Using swat to configure > samba > (because it's easy that way), you can set the mask for a given share > by clicking on the Advanced View and about halfway down you'll see a > bunch of umask settings. Likewise, there are similar settings under > the Advanced View on the Global page if you want to change the umask > system-wide. Thanks. I have been using Webmin to configure the server so after you confirmed that SMB had separate settings I dug a little further and found the defaults for new files and folders. I will make the changes here and see how it goes. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Jul 31 01:08:34 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (spowers at inlandlakes.org) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Picnic in Sunnyvale, CA In-Reply-To: <20040730204812.GD28491@sonic.net> References: <20040730204812.GD28491@sonic.net> Message-ID: <37309.66.129.41.148.1091236114.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> > > Any K12OSN folks who'll be in the SF Bay Area for LinuxWorld next week, > if you're still in the area that Saturday (August 7th), come join us at > Picn*x13! Ahh, sorry I'm going to miss it. I could use a good geek-fix. ;) From tim at litwiller.net Sat Jul 31 04:07:21 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:07:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help the last couple of weeks! Message-ID: <410B1AF9.20902@litwiller.net> I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes away the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the user change browser settings. We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card catalog web application that runs on another server. If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be downloaded. I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip address in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the wiki that Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jul 31 10:05:07 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:05:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help the last Message-ID: <200407311015.i6VAFwG15017@downeast.net> i'd like tro have a copy..maybe i could tweak it so the bad boys could only access their cirrix acct..chuck > I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes away > the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the user > change browser settings. > > We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card > catalog web application that runs on another server. > > If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a > copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be > downloaded. > > I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip address > in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the wiki that > Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bimalp at indoasian.com Sat Jul 31 10:38:04 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 31 Jul 2004 16:08:04 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] firefox kiosk terminals - Thanks for all the help the last In-Reply-To: <200407311015.i6VAFwG15017@downeast.net> References: <200407311015.i6VAFwG15017@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1091270284.5205.12.camel@server.ltsp> dear sir, i would like to have that jar file and would be grateful to you if you can send it to me with all the details about its installation and use. regards bimal On Sat, 2004-07-31 at 15:35, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > i'd like tro have a copy..maybe i could tweak it so the bad boys could only > access their cirrix acct..chuck > > I have a modified browser.jar file that turns off tool bar, takes away > > the address bar, and takes away menu items that would let the user > > change browser settings. > > > > We are using this to lock the library terminal to just using the card > > catalog web application that runs on another server. > > > > If anyone is interested in trying this I would be happy to mail you a > > copy or if there is enough interest I'll put it somewhere it can be > > downloaded. > > > > I figured out how to force a certain workstation to a certain ip address > > in the dhcpd.conf and then with the autologin stuff from the wiki that > > Dan Young pointed me at it is working very well. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at rossberry.com Sat Jul 31 11:42:33 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] This list,like, totally rocks, man!!! In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C22C@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E8407C22C@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Doug Gough wrote: > I was just reading through the mail from this list like I do every > couple of days, and I realized that I've been doing so for close to 3 > years now. So what? Well, we don't use a Linux terminal server, or any > Linux workstations at the school where I work :-( But being a regular > reader of this list has provided me with more useful Linux ideas than > all of the other Linux lists I've been a part of. The friendly tone and > willingness to help each other is outstanding. I think that's, like, far > out. I agree. I've unsubscribed from almost all of the user groups because of the repetitive arguements. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and government." John Quincy Adamns From fhkms at adelphia.net Sat Jul 31 12:56:07 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 8:56:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] transfering dansguardian to ipcop temp folder with gftp Message-ID: <20040731125607.KXLE26966.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> At a terminal window I typed in: #scp dansguardian-2.6.1-5-on-ipcop-1.3.tar.gz root at 192.168.1.1:/tmp I noticed the ipcop machine working when I did this, so I think it worked. Now, how do I unpackage/access the dansguardian package with installer, and make it work. Will I have to hitch a monitor and keyboard back up to the ipcop machine to access the command line or can I remotely access it from the k12ltsp server? Am I close to getting my content filtering to work? -Will > > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Date: 2004/07/30 Fri PM 04:56:53 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] transfering dansguardian to ipcop temp folder with gftp > > > instructions say to move the file to the temp folder on the ipcop > > machine. > > Just use scp at a command line from your K12LTSP box. Use the following > syntax: > #scp dansguardian.tgz root at 192.168.1.1:/tmp > > Substitute dansguardian.tgz with the actual filename the 192.168.1.1 with the > actual IP to your IPCop box. That should do it. If you are in Windows > download WinSCP and use that. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Jul 31 18:34:37 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:34:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transfering dansguardian to ipcop temp folder with gftp In-Reply-To: <20040731125607.KXLE26966.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040731125607.KXLE26966.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20040731183142.M47188@winonacotter.org> Take a look at the how to file I sent you and Huck. I am home for my daughters birthday party right now so I can't run and look at it. But that should tell you what commands to issue at the command line to unpack the .tgz file. And as long as you can scp to the machine you should be able to ssh to it as well. Just type: #ssh root at 192.168.1.1 at the command line from your K12LTSP box and you will be running a secure shell from the IPCop box as if you were sitting right in front of it. That will save you the time of hooking up a monitor and keyboard. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Will Hatch To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 8:56:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: [K12OSN] transfering dansguardian to ipcop temp folder with gftp > At a terminal window I typed in: > #scp dansguardian-2.6.1-5-on-ipcop-1.3.tar.gz root at 192.168.1.1:/tmp > > I noticed the ipcop machine working when I did this, so I think it > worked. Now, how do I unpackage/access the dansguardian package > with installer, and make it work. Will I have to hitch a monitor > and keyboard back up to the ipcop machine to access the command line > or can I remotely access it from the k12ltsp server? Am I close to > getting my content filtering to work? -Will > > > > > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > > Date: 2004/07/30 Fri PM 04:56:53 EDT > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] transfering dansguardian to ipcop temp folder with gftp > > > > > instructions say to move the file to the temp folder on the ipcop > > > machine. > > > > Just use scp at a command line from your K12LTSP box. Use the following > > syntax: > > #scp dansguardian.tgz root at 192.168.1.1:/tmp > > > > Substitute dansguardian.tgz with the actual filename the 192.168.1.1 with the > > actual IP to your IPCop box. That should do it. If you are in Windows > > download WinSCP and use that. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------- End of Original Message -------