From James.Bromley at lvksch.org Mon Mar 1 07:43:03 2004 From: James.Bromley at lvksch.org (James) Date: Mon Mar 1 07:43:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux Tape Backup Software Message-ID: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD98@usd453mail.lvksch.com> http://www.bakbone.com/ I haven't had the chance to try them out but BakBone is what I have been recommended. However it seams there would be a few free ways of doing the job setting a scheduled task that made a flat file backup or using the Amanda system (http://www.amanda.org/). -----Original Message----- From: Gary Bricker [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gary Bricker Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:57 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Linux Tape Backup Software Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? Gary Bricker Tech Support Team Greenon Local Schools -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1077919304.3518.21.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <000c01c3ff95$d9554540$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wright Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:02 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 04:10, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Wow! I never thought I would see Linux prices reach that of > Microsoft...at least not this soon. I wonder if this has to do with > all of the hype with IBM. I can't imagine there is any Linux option > out there that is polished enough for a standard end user to justify > that price. wha???? You surprise me Jim.. Linux is very very good these days. I don't get people (not you) offering Linux for free as if it's some low quality 2nd-runner.. grr.. I use Linux because I *like* it. A building full of Linux is a techo's dreeeeeem.. it's real networking, and everything just flows and works. Just ssh, pre-shared keys and X.. well, nuff sed. /steve ------------------------- No offense to Linux, I do think it is awesome, especially from where it was a few years ago. But I still don't think I could throw it in front of my Mom for a everyday home computer and not get some calls the first time she tries to install an application (missing dependancies, how to add shorcuts, etc.). That is the "polish" to which I refer. Microsoft has made it very easy for stupid people to own a computer (of course maybe we would all be better off if they didn't), it still would be tough for those people to switch. A couple examples are setting up dual monitors or loading a DVD player, I will bet that with both of those tasks you will have the better part of an afternoon shot with Linux, MS about 20 minutes (A beginner, not savvy Linux user). Of course, I don't believe I have ever paid for a MS product myself either, so I guess I can't justify that much money on either side :-) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 09:47:05 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon Mar 1 09:47:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Java font uglyness Message-ID: Hi Eric, Yes, I see this problem often. My old Redhat9 boxes, new Fedoras and Debian boxes all display many Java text boxes like this. I know that my older RH7.3 box that I just dumped didn't show this at all??? or at least as often. I occassionally send students to a cool online visusal thesaurus at: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/online/index.html and it does the same now- that is clip off the line of text. I know that a year ago the text box on the upper left of the link above used to be normal on 7.3. I don't know if I could be sure that I've ever seen anti-aliased text in Java apps. Usually I see games being played... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 1 11:20:01 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon Mar 1 11:20:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] teminal monitor shutdown In-Reply-To: <1078088302.1702.21.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078088302.1702.21.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078158102.5786.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 12:58, Steve Wright wrote: > How do I have the Terminals put their monitors into power-save mode when > the terminal is unattended ? > > There used to be a dpms or somesuch option somewhere, but I cant find it > now. http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AScreen%20Blanking -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 1 11:20:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon Mar 1 11:20:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <000c01c3ff95$d9554540$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000c01c3ff95$d9554540$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078157902.29150.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 08:02, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > No offense to Linux, I do think it is awesome, especially from where it > was a few years ago. But I still don't think I could throw it in front > of my Mom for a everyday home computer and not get some calls the first > time she tries to install an application (missing dependancies, how to > add shorcuts, etc.). Is your Mom available for help with windows problems? I need to reinstall a box that originally came with 21 CDs and I've added several new devices and programs so I know it is going to involve inserting 30 cd's in exactly the right order, looking up about 10 installation key codes, and rebooting at least 50 times. > That is the "polish" to which I refer. Microsoft > has made it very easy for stupid people to own a computer (of course > maybe we would all be better off if they didn't), it still would be > tough for those people to switch. They made it easy by forcing the PC vendors to pre-install so the end users aren't exposed to the horrors. > A couple examples are setting up dual > monitors or loading a DVD player, I will bet that with both of those > tasks you will have the better part of an afternoon shot with Linux, MS > about 20 minutes (A beginner, not savvy Linux user). That depends on how long it takes you to find the checkbox that says you want dual monitors in the fedora X setup. With DVD's a better comparison would be when you add the second one or trade brands when the crippled software that comes with it only supports the brand it is supplied with as a ploy to force you to buy the full version. 'yum install ...' seems pretty nice by comparison. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 1 11:40:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon Mar 1 11:40:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <1078157902.29150.24.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001c01c3ffac$25ccea70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:18 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 08:02, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > No offense to Linux, I do think it is awesome, especially from where > it was a few years ago. But I still don't think I could throw it in > front of my Mom for a everyday home computer and not get some calls > the first time she tries to install an application (missing > dependancies, how to add shorcuts, etc.). Is your Mom available for help with windows problems? I need to reinstall a box that originally came with 21 CDs and I've added several new devices and programs so I know it is going to involve inserting 30 cd's in exactly the right order, looking up about 10 installation key codes, and rebooting at least 50 times. > That is the "polish" to which I refer. Microsoft > has made it very easy for stupid people to own a computer (of course > maybe we would all be better off if they didn't), it still would be > tough for those people to switch. They made it easy by forcing the PC vendors to pre-install so the end users aren't exposed to the horrors. > A couple examples are setting up dual > monitors or loading a DVD player, I will bet that with both of those > tasks you will have the better part of an afternoon shot with Linux, > MS about 20 minutes (A beginner, not savvy Linux user). That depends on how long it takes you to find the checkbox that says you want dual monitors in the fedora X setup. With DVD's a better comparison would be when you add the second one or trade brands when the crippled software that comes with it only supports the brand it is supplied with as a ploy to force you to buy the full version. 'yum install ...' seems pretty nice by comparison. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com I appreciate your argument and again, I love Linux. But the Fedora dual monitor checkbox doesn't work very well, and I was lucky enough to run yum install to load a DVD player and found that it hung all the time, then had to go down the road of trying to rebuild a bad database. There are still issues. Microsoft isn't perfect, I hate their practices, I am working toward switching everything I run into to Linux, but useability for dummies has a way to go. I can see we don't agree here so lets just leave our opinions at that. Again I love Linux and appreciate all the help I have been getting from this list and am doing my best to learn how to switch MS users to the Linux world. From what I have seen most of the issues I run into will be resolved by this time next year and I will no longer have an argument (nor will anyone else). _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 1 11:48:01 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon Mar 1 11:48:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Tape Backup Software In-Reply-To: <7A87DB38C8509E44ACE117A836FD662BD61B@exchange.GREENON.K12.OH.US> References: <7A87DB38C8509E44ACE117A836FD662BD61B@exchange.GREENON.K12.OH.US> Message-ID: <1078159783.1634.5.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 21:57, Gary Bricker wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? I have used Arkeia with great success. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From ckacoroski at nsd.org Mon Mar 1 12:01:58 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Mon Mar 1 12:01:58 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux Tape Backup Software In-Reply-To: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD98@usd453mail.lvksch.com> References: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD98@usd453mail.lvksch.com> Message-ID: <3F8E9E08-6BA2-11D8-A96F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> I just finished an extensive evaluation of backup software for the Northshore school district. We ended up with bakbone because: 1. Cost - it was much cheaper than other enterprise class software that could back up several different platforms. 2. It was able to back up Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux (and maybe Windows, although they are having problems getting the restore permissions correct) 3. It used a familiar (to by boss) backup strategy of Fulls on weekends and incrementals during the week (Amanda and TiBS spread the Fulls throughout the week) 4. It has a virtual tape library option that allows us to meet some customer requirements that we keep so much data on disk. I looked at Syncsort, TiBS, Bakbone, BackupExec, NetBackup, Arkeia, Amanda, Bru, ArcServe, and Everstore. I checked out rolling our own scripts and backing up to a large disk via rsync and then dumping the disk to tape. In our particular case, Bakbone made the most sense. cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 On Mar 1, 2004, at 4:45 AM, James wrote: > http://www.bakbone.com/ > > I haven't had the chance to try them out but BakBone is what I have > been > recommended. However it seams there would be a few free ways of doing > the job setting a scheduled task that made a flat file backup or using > the Amanda system (http://www.amanda.org/). > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Bricker [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Bricker > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:57 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Linux Tape Backup Software > > Does anyone have any recommendations for tape backup software? > Gary Bricker > Tech Support Team > Greenon Local Schools From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Mar 1 12:07:05 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon Mar 1 12:07:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working In-Reply-To: <40410CDC.1060201@magic.fr> Message-ID: Denny, The newest K12LTSP has a lts.conf file with lots of suggested monitor mode lines in it. I found that they work great. I do not have a copy of my file, as I am on my laptop ... but check out the newest default lts.conf file. I can post it to the list when I get home... joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Daniels Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:49 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] old AT keyboards and serial mouse not working Hello, I've a similar problem with older monitors... I've got a bunch of AT cases with mmx and PIs on board, plenty fine for clients but the Xfree server is having a bear of a time picking up these old donated monitors... hand configing these is a real time consuming pain. As I am the teacher and network admin for this install of LTSP every spare moment is consumed with improving student services and teaching. Anyone have a tip/trick for getting older monitors to work? New monitors work without a problem.. The old monitors sit unused which means I've fewer clients that I'd really like to put to work! I've tried using knoppix and it too is asking for manual adjustment of scan rates... are we looking at mountains of landfill monitors because getting the correct scan rate is so difficult? I know that I'm not the first to face this problem, please advise! Denny Joe Guenther wrote: > Help!! > > I am trying to demo the LTSP setup to the computer teacher and principal > .... and of course something does not work. I have a compaq deskpro with > PS/2 mouse and PS/2 keyboard which works fine. > > Another workstation (I hve 22 of these that I wanted to convert to LTSP > terminals) has an AT keyboard - big plug, and serial mouse. The mouse works > in the BIOS setup. The BIOS is set to a non-PnP OS. I can "pause" the boot > at the beginning but then at the X-server login window both keyboard and > mouse are non-existant. > > I am using LTSP 4 > > [ws007] > XSERVER = auto > OR > XSERVER = XF86_S3 (both same result...) > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_MOUSE_BAUD = 1200 > > The rest is according to the defaults in LTSP 4.0 with latest updates. > > thanks for rescuing me > joe > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- visit my site http://www.dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 1 12:47:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon Mar 1 12:47:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Linux Tape Backup Software In-Reply-To: <3F8E9E08-6BA2-11D8-A96F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <770864CD243F9640A4E049D751E5968718CD98@usd453mail.lvksch.com> <3F8E9E08-6BA2-11D8-A96F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <1078163088.29150.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 11:02, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > 2. It was able to back up Mac OS X, Solaris, Linux (and maybe Windows, > although they are having problems getting the restore permissions > correct) > Amanda will do those too - Windows is limited to a "client's eye" view so you can't restore to bare metal or maintain ACL's, though. > 3. It used a familiar (to by boss) backup strategy of Fulls on weekends > and incrementals during the week (Amanda and TiBS spread the Fulls > throughout the week) > I can't help educate your boss, but if your limiting factor is the size of your tape drive/changer then amanda's way of making the targets estimate the run sizes and computing the best fit every night makes a lot of sense. Otherwise you end up with someone having to come in to swap tapes on the weekend. > 4. It has a virtual tape library option that allows us to meet some > customer requirements that we keep so much data on disk. If you don't run all the fulls at once, you don't need such a big changer... Amanda's biggest problem is that it doesn't know how to split a single target across tapes. Normally you would do whole filesystems in a run, and amanda can spread different runs onto different tapes easily enough. However if you have any filesystems where the fulls don't fit on a single tape you have to fiddle with making directory-based runs that will fit and be careful not to miss any new directories that might be added later. Other than that, it takes care of itself. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Mon Mar 1 12:59:02 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon Mar 1 12:59:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <001c01c3ffac$25ccea70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001c01c3ffac$25ccea70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40437A56.5080508@sages.us> Please play nice. If you feel that you must engage in a Linux/MS debate, find another forum. The people here are trying to get K12LTSP to work and use this forum for that purpose. Since most of us here are educators who are trying to incorporate K12LTSP into schools - where Windows and Macs live - the subject of moving from Windows to Linux will come up often. What we don't need when that issue comes up is someone making comments about how bad Windows is or how easy Linux is to use. I belong to another list where this topic almost destroyed an otherwise wonderful list. There was name calling and it got pretty ugly. We ended up banning one person from the list because of it. Please, let's not let that happen here. Many of us are working in an environment where Windows not only exists, but will exist for years to come. It will not "go away". We are working to incorporate Linux into this environment and to educate our users to think about applicatons and needs and not about brand names and software titles. This is a very difficult chore indeed. (I know. I have been fighting this battle on several fronts for 7 years.) Name calling and sarcasm will not accomplish anything. Take it outside. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Les Mikesell >Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:18 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? > > >On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 08:02, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>No offense to Linux, I do think it is awesome, especially from where >>it was a few years ago. But I still don't think I could throw it in >>front of my Mom for a everyday home computer and not get some calls >>the first time she tries to install an application (missing >>dependancies, how to add shorcuts, etc.). >> >> > >Is your Mom available for help with windows problems? I need to >reinstall a box that originally came with 21 CDs and I've added several >new devices and programs so I know it is going to involve inserting 30 >cd's in exactly the right order, looking up about 10 installation key >codes, and rebooting at least 50 times. > > > >>That is the "polish" to which I refer. Microsoft >>has made it very easy for stupid people to own a computer (of course >>maybe we would all be better off if they didn't), it still would be >>tough for those people to switch. >> >> > >They made it easy by forcing the PC vendors to pre-install so the end >users aren't exposed to the horrors. > > > >> A couple examples are setting up dual >>monitors or loading a DVD player, I will bet that with both of those >>tasks you will have the better part of an afternoon shot with Linux, >>MS about 20 minutes (A beginner, not savvy Linux user). >> >> > >That depends on how long it takes you to find the checkbox that says you >want dual monitors in the fedora X setup. With DVD's a better >comparison would be when you add the second one or trade brands when the >crippled software that comes with it only supports the brand it is >supplied with as a ploy to force you to buy the full version. > >'yum install ...' seems pretty nice by comparison. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > >I appreciate your argument and again, I love Linux. But the Fedora dual >monitor checkbox doesn't work very well, and I was lucky enough to run >yum install to load a DVD player and found that it hung all the time, >then had to go down the road of trying to rebuild a bad database. There >are still issues. Microsoft isn't perfect, I hate their practices, I am >working toward switching everything I run into to Linux, but useability >for dummies has a way to go. I can see we don't agree here so lets just >leave our opinions at that. > >Again I love Linux and appreciate all the help I have been getting from >this list and am doing my best to learn how to switch MS users to the >Linux world. From what I have seen most of the issues I run into will >be resolved by this time next year and I will no longer have an argument >(nor will anyone else). > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 1 13:03:06 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon Mar 1 13:03:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <40437A56.5080508@sages.us> Message-ID: <001d01c3ffb7$d68cb6f0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I wholeheartedly agree and will try to keep such debate off of this list. Thanks for brining us into check :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Hays Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:01 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? Please play nice. If you feel that you must engage in a Linux/MS debate, find another forum. The people here are trying to get K12LTSP to work and use this forum for that purpose. Since most of us here are educators who are trying to incorporate K12LTSP into schools - where Windows and Macs live - the subject of moving from Windows to Linux will come up often. What we don't need when that issue comes up is someone making comments about how bad Windows is or how easy Linux is to use. I belong to another list where this topic almost destroyed an otherwise wonderful list. There was name calling and it got pretty ugly. We ended up banning one person from the list because of it. Please, let's not let that happen here. Many of us are working in an environment where Windows not only exists, but will exist for years to come. It will not "go away". We are working to incorporate Linux into this environment and to educate our users to think about applicatons and needs and not about brand names and software titles. This is a very difficult chore indeed. (I know. I have been fighting this battle on several fronts for 7 years.) Name calling and sarcasm will not accomplish anything. Take it outside. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Les Mikesell >Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:18 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? > > >On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 08:02, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > >>No offense to Linux, I do think it is awesome, especially from where >>it was a few years ago. But I still don't think I could throw it in >>front of my Mom for a everyday home computer and not get some calls >>the first time she tries to install an application (missing >>dependancies, how to add shorcuts, etc.). >> >> > >Is your Mom available for help with windows problems? I need to >reinstall a box that originally came with 21 CDs and I've added several >new devices and programs so I know it is going to involve inserting 30 >cd's in exactly the right order, looking up about 10 installation key >codes, and rebooting at least 50 times. > > > >>That is the "polish" to which I refer. Microsoft >>has made it very easy for stupid people to own a computer (of course >>maybe we would all be better off if they didn't), it still would be >>tough for those people to switch. >> >> > >They made it easy by forcing the PC vendors to pre-install so the end >users aren't exposed to the horrors. > > > >> A couple examples are setting up dual >>monitors or loading a DVD player, I will bet that with both of those >>tasks you will have the better part of an afternoon shot with Linux, >>MS about 20 minutes (A beginner, not savvy Linux user). >> >> > >That depends on how long it takes you to find the checkbox that says >you want dual monitors in the fedora X setup. With DVD's a better >comparison would be when you add the second one or trade brands when >the crippled software that comes with it only supports the brand it is >supplied with as a ploy to force you to buy the full version. > >'yum install ...' seems pretty nice by comparison. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > >I appreciate your argument and again, I love Linux. But the Fedora dual >monitor checkbox doesn't work very well, and I was lucky enough to run >yum install to load a DVD player and found that it hung all the time, >then had to go down the road of trying to rebuild a bad database. >There are still issues. Microsoft isn't perfect, I hate their >practices, I am working toward switching everything I run into to >Linux, but useability for dummies has a way to go. I can see we don't >agree here so lets just leave our opinions at that. > >Again I love Linux and appreciate all the help I have been getting from >this list and am doing my best to learn how to switch MS users to the >Linux world. From what I have seen most of the issues I run into will >be resolved by this time next year and I will no longer have an >argument (nor will anyone else). > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Mon Mar 1 13:12:01 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Mon Mar 1 13:12:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Java font uglyness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078164728.6171.8.camel@crux> I had a similar problem with the java at this site: http://www.bun.falkenberg.se/gymnasium/amnen/fysik/millikaneng.html I emailed the author, and he provided me with a fixed file that worked on linux. Don't know if he changed the fonts, or just made the box bigger, but he was interested in linux in schools, so I told him about k12ltsp. He may be able to help. He's: magnus.karlsson at edu.falkenberg.se -- Pat Healy On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 19:32, Eric Harrison wrote: > Google is failing me on this one... I'm hoping someone here has > tackled Java fonts and has an easy answer ;-) > > > I have one school that is using some Java-based games & have noticed > that fonts can be a bit wonky. > > > First, the fonts are not anti-aliased. Has anyone heard about a fix > for this atrocity? > > > If there is no anti-alias fix, has anyone seen font problems with > text input boxes & know a fix? An example is this URL: > > http://www.coolmath4kids.com/mathgames/lemonade/index.html > > If I click on through to the "Price/Quality Control" screen, I see > that the input box fonts are "cut-off" - only the top-half shows. > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 1 13:14:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon Mar 1 13:14:30 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <200402271950.i1RJoFe03577@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c3ffb9$59290900$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Turns out everything was working right but MkLinux must not support 5500's. I put the drive into a 5200 at she boots just fine, now I just get an error trying to boot DHCP client. I will try to configure the server now and see if it works. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:52 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question best i can tell mllinux booter is not doing its thing if you see no penguin...check syntax in lilo.conf....chuck rootdev=/dev/ram mach_options=ramdisk=8192 caps or anything differnet screws it up...might have to ship you another mklinux booter or put it on ftp site.. all for npw..best of luck chuck > It looks like all of our 5XXX generation machines either have the > Apple Ethernet CS II or a Sonic. So you are thinking of checking > yellow dog compatibility for support of the CS II? I'll check it out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:03 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question > > > what does yellowdog say about ethernet???that should give a cklue > > I turned off virtual memory in Apple:Control Panels:Memory and it > > hangs > > in the same spot. The NIC is an Apple Ethernet CS II. I have a Asante > > > Tech card with a SMC chipset on my desk, should I try that? 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Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 1 13:27:14 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 1 13:27:14 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] teminal monitor shutdown In-Reply-To: <1078158102.5786.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1078088302.1702.21.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078158102.5786.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1078165685.17721.3.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 05:21, Dan Young wrote: > On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 12:58, Steve Wright wrote: > > How do I have the Terminals put their monitors into power-save mode when > > the terminal is unattended ? > > > > There used to be a dpms or somesuch option somewhere, but I cant find it > > now. > > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AScreen%20Blanking ahhh, I shoulda rtfm, scusa.. ;-) /steve From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 1 13:42:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon Mar 1 13:42:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? In-Reply-To: <40437A56.5080508@sages.us> References: <001c01c3ffac$25ccea70$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40437A56.5080508@sages.us> Message-ID: <1078166382.29150.123.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 12:00, Jim Hays wrote: > Please play nice. If you feel that you must engage in a Linux/MS > debate, find another forum. The people here are trying to get K12LTSP > to work and use this forum for that purpose. Since most of us here are > educators who are trying to incorporate K12LTSP into schools - where > Windows and Macs live - the subject of moving from Windows to Linux will > come up often. What we don't need when that issue comes up is someone > making comments about how bad Windows is or how easy Linux is to use. > Sorry, didn't intend to start a war but I don't think you can avoid having that issue come up. It nearly always is raised by someone who bought one or more pre-installed Windows boxes where some expert has chosen the set of hardware and programs that work together. Then they compare that to starting with no experience to assemble a working Linux system from some random assortment of parts or an existing machine purchased without Linux in mind, then throwing a few thousand free programs on it. I know I don't have to convince anyone here, but you have to offset that view with the opposite experience: the dll hell of trying to load windows programs that don't play together compared to canned Linux installations that include exactly what you want. > Many of us are working in an environment where Windows not only exists, > but will exist for years to come. It will not "go away". Agreed, but 'ease of installing' shouldn't be the issue that makes it stay. > Name calling and sarcasm will not accomplish anything. No, but years of experience should be worth something. For every Linux install problem, I can come up with matching or worse problems I've had with Windows - but I'll try to refrain from providing the details here. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 1 13:59:09 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 1 13:59:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] wiki update - was: teminal monitor shutdown In-Reply-To: <1078158102.5786.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1078088302.1702.21.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078158102.5786.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1078167658.17721.29.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 05:21, Dan Young wrote: > On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 12:58, Steve Wright wrote: > > How do I have the Terminals put their monitors into power-save mode when > > the terminal is unattended ? > > > > There used to be a dpms or somesuch option somewhere, but I cant find it > > now. > > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AScreen%20Blanking BTW, this appears to have changed with K12LTSP v4. The procedure is identical but there are now two files to be modified, thusly ; /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x3_cfg I didn't make any changes, as I could not figure out how to create an account, so some wiki-savvy person might.. best, Steve From nsantiago at caclv.org Mon Mar 1 14:37:01 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Mon Mar 1 14:37:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... Message-ID: Hi all, Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? Please advise. Thanks Nick From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 1 14:44:05 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon Mar 1 14:44:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] users breaking? Message-ID: <1078170351.2458.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> I am having an odd intermittent problem with some of my users on a somewhat updated 3.12 installation. Occasionally, a user will get somehow corrupted, preventing them from being able to run most any program, and also cannot logout properly. Have any of you seen this? Sorry if this has been addressed already, but the list archive search functionality seems broken at the moment. I have had this happen to two users in the last week. Removing the user's home directory and re-creating it seems to solve the problem, but I'd rather it didn't happen in the first place obviously. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 14:48:05 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon Mar 1 14:48:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Session declined: Maximum number of sessions from your host reached Message-ID: I'm occasionally getting this error on clients at boot up. After this being displayed the x startup cycles for a while before re-displaying this message. What could be wrong?? Jim _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 1 14:58:06 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon Mar 1 14:58:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Session declined: Maximum number of sessions from your host reached In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078171210.5786.71.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 11:49, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I'm occasionally getting this error on clients at boot up. After this being > displayed the x startup cycles for a while before re-displaying this > message. > > What could be wrong?? Are you using K12LTSP 4.x? Have you gotten the GDM update? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2004-February/msg00010.html -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 1 15:04:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 1 15:04:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Session declined: Maximum number of sessions from your host reached In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078171526.17721.37.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 08:49, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I'm occasionally getting this error on clients at boot up. After this being > displayed the x startup cycles for a while before re-displaying this > message. Hey Jim, This normally happens when the Server believes that this Terminal is already connected, and refuses to accept more than one session. Most likely caused by someone pressing the 'reset' button on the Terminal. It is possible to change the "max number of concurrent sessions" somewhere, but I advocate not pressing the reset button, coz it's nasty. ;-) cheers, Steve From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 1 15:20:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon Mar 1 15:20:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078172257.29150.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 13:38, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server > for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and > taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. > > Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, > or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? Evolution has reasonable personal calendar/task management that works with emailed requests and sometimes interoperates with some versions of outlook. I haven't been able to pin down exactly what it is that determines whether or not this is going to work, though. I think it needs something like: http://www.dread.net/~striker/tnefclean/ in the mail hander to fix the bad ones. I haven't found a real solution for shared calendars yet but I'd settle for a web based version if I could paste in vcal entries and it would export them in a form that would drop into evolution's calendar automatically. This one: http://www.planscalendar.com/ looks good but I haven't had time to try it or figure out how you coax evolution into digesting the vcal entry it exports in a text window. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 15:29:05 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon Mar 1 15:29:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Session declined: Maximum number of sessions fromyour host reached Message-ID: Hi Steve and Dan, I'm using K12LTSP 3.1.2 and have about 45 clients running off the server. I've been looking for the max number of allowed connections too, but can't find it yet... Yes, as a matter of fact, some student did reset the box... On some days though, this will happen the first time the boxes come up in the morning. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From dean at mumby.co.za Mon Mar 1 15:53:00 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Mon Mar 1 15:53:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: <1078172257.29150.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1078172257.29150.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4043A302.2010901@mumby.co.za> Mozilla supports multiple calendars using web-dav on a apache server Dean Les Mikesell wrote: >On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 13:38, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > > > >>At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server >>for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and >>taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. >> >>Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, >>or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? >> >> > >Evolution has reasonable personal calendar/task management that >works with emailed requests and sometimes interoperates with some >versions of outlook. I haven't been able to pin down exactly what it is >that determines whether or not this is going to work, though. I >think it needs something like: >http://www.dread.net/~striker/tnefclean/ in the mail hander to fix >the bad ones. > >I haven't found a real solution for shared calendars yet but I'd >settle for a web based version if I could paste in vcal entries >and it would export them in a form that would drop into evolution's >calendar automatically. This one: http://www.planscalendar.com/ >looks good but I haven't had time to try it or figure out how you >coax evolution into digesting the vcal entry it exports in a text >window. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 1 16:36:16 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:36:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Session declined: Maximum number of sessions fromyour host reached In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078177053.17721.39.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:31, Jim Christiansen wrote: > On some days though, this will happen the first time the boxes come up in > the morning. ahhh, I have not seen that.. odd.. /sw From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon Mar 1 16:40:05 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:40:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? Message-ID: Jim Hays wrote: >> The people here are trying to get K12LTSP to work and use this forum for that purpose. << I thought that was the purpose of the k12ltsp list? I subscribe to both, although k12ltsp lies in the future for me - I've only been able to get some Linux servers into an otherwise Windows school system. So I thought k12osn was the K12 Open Source Network list, and k12ltstp was for K12 Linux Terminal Server Project. However, I've been noticing a lot of "bleeding" into k12osn lately. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon Mar 1 16:43:02 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:43:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ummmm...RHPWS? Message-ID: Les Mikesell wrote: >> No, but years of experience should be worth something. For every Linux install problem, I can come up with matching or worse problems I've had with Windows - but I'll try to refrain from providing the details here. << I wholeheartedly agree - having replaced NT Server with Samba I'm now knee-deep in Windows problems that the network upgrade has exposed, but I'm forced to put in hours fixing them as otherwise Samba & Linux will be blamed by the non-technical administration. However, let's try to keep the OS wars out of here; I think we're all converts anyway. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 16:44:02 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:44:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] users breaking? Message-ID: Hi Quentin, This may not do it, but try just rm -rf the .gconf* hidden dirs in the user's home. This will fix any gnome based apps from not starting. I have also seen homes get messed during really bad client crashes. Directories in usres' home have become read only... Wierd, but chmoding them back to normal fixed them up. Also, star/open office files become read only after bad crashes and have needed to be either resaved to a new name or chmodded. What apps are not working? JIm _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon Mar 1 16:51:03 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:51:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... Message-ID: "Santiago, Nicholas" wrote: >> Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? << Nick, there's lots: There are public and private calendar add-ons for Suirrelmail (http://www.squirrelmail.org/) - this might be of interest if you want a web-based mail client to replace Outlook anyway. Specifically for schools, there;s Kronophobia (http://kronophobia.sourceforge.net/). Somebody mentioned this - I think on this list - recently, and while I haven't tried it, it certainly looks impressive. Finally, there are calendar features in groupware and wiki products. The one that I'm currently using is Tiki Wiki (http://www.tikiwiki.org).. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 1 16:53:02 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:53:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] users breaking? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078178071.2545.8.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 13:45, Jim Christiansen wrote: > This may not do it, but try just rm -rf the .gconf* hidden dirs in the > user's home. > > This will fix any gnome based apps from not starting. I will try this. > What apps are not working? I haven't had a chance to go over and test it thoroughly for myself, but at least OOo and mozilla fail to load according to the reports I get. I have noticed that in those cases I have found some rogue OOo processes lying around long after the user has tried to log out and re-booted the client. I seem to remember this being talked about on the list in the past, "reaping" dead processes occasionally, but I don't remember the details. However, even after cleaning out those processes, the problem seems to remain. That part that is really stumping me is their not being able to logout, and apparently this happens immediately when they login. I have another one acting up right now, so I am heading over to see it first-hand shortly. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Mar 1 16:55:01 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon Mar 1 16:55:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: <4043A302.2010901@mumby.co.za> References: <1078172257.29150.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4043A302.2010901@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1078178188.2545.11.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 12:54, Dean Mumby wrote: > Mozilla supports multiple calendars using web-dav on a apache server I have been using this in my district for awhile for managing the transportation scheduling calendar with great success. I had planned to expand to more general shared calendars over the summer, but I am moving to another district shortly, so I may start with Kronophobia over there and see how it goes... -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 1 17:26:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Mon Mar 1 17:26:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Client Question In-Reply-To: <001e01c3ffb9$59290900$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001e01c3ffb9$59290900$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4043B8C9.80903@downeast.net> Jm..the sonic card is not suported..as far as i know...the daynaport pds cards definitely will work and some apple cards..damn. i hoped the pci slot would open the foor....there is still bootx and a few others but i have not tried it....maybe david gatwood can shed some light...chuck From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 19:02:04 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon Mar 1 19:02:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Kronophobia Message-ID: Hi Quentin, I have been using this in my district for awhile for managing the transportation scheduling calendar with great success. I had planned to expand to more general shared calendars over the summer, but I am moving to another district shortly, so I may start with Kronophobia over there and see how it goes... I'm quite excited about Kronophobia for use in our school, but... Kronophobia wants a php-mcrypt library and I've been searching like crazy for it. The Kronophobia developer also explained to me that the RH releases have not included the php-mcrypt libs and RH users have had troubles getting it going (he didn't say if any did). I've apt-get'ed the php-mcrpyt for my Debian boxes and have had Kronophobia going. I guess that I could use alien to convert it to an rpm, but haven't tried yet. If you get the sucker going, drop me a line! Jim _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From support at alcona.lib.mi.us Mon Mar 1 19:07:01 2004 From: support at alcona.lib.mi.us (Technical Support) Date: Mon Mar 1 19:07:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... References: <20040301222601.27630.60669.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001101c3ffea$edb30b30$0200a8c0@homeoffice> This is not opensource, but if you have a non-profit group which want's to claim ownership of your website, you could to the donated or discounted Cybozu. Additionally, this link may be beneficial for others on this list - especially non-profits (http://www.techsoup.org): http://www.techsoup.org/DiscounTech/Category.asp?catalog_name=TechSoupMain&category_name=Cybozu&Page=1 If you want a true opensource application which will let you share a calendar - even has private messaging between registered users (you could make your staff be the registered users), as well as everything you may need to maintain your schools website... You might take a look at http://www.mamboserver.com. It is a Content Management System, but with all the modules and components available, you could use it like a collaboration tool. TSyma ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 3 > From: "Santiago, Nicholas" > To: "'k12osn at redhat.com'" > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:38:58 -0500 > Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hi all, > > Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people > on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. > > At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server > for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and > taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. > > Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, > or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? > > Please advise. > > Thanks > Nick From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Mon Mar 1 19:07:05 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Mon Mar 1 19:07:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Kronophobia Message-ID: "Jim Christiansen" wrote: >> Kronophobia wants a php-mcrypt library and I've been searching like crazy for it. The Kronophobia developer also explained to me that the RH releases have not included the php-mcrypt libs and RH users have had troubles getting it going (he didn't say if any did). << Would this do the trick? http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/777267/com/php-mcrypt-4.2.2-17.2.2.i386.rpm.html Or http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/contrib/libc6/i386/php-mcrypt-4.2.2-17.2.2.i386.html ? Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 1 19:37:05 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon Mar 1 19:37:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting In-Reply-To: <1077231937.1620.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1077143370.1331.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1077231937.1620.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1078183441.1153.29.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks Tim, I'll file this away for future reference. Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 12:06, Timothy Legge wrote: > > I can't remember if anyone on this list has managed to get one to work. > > I didn't several years ago, and Rom-O-Matic didn't have any boot disks. > > > > This could have changed. > > > > Save time, try to disable the onboard NIC and install a NIC with the > > realtek chipset. Unless someone else has been successful with this. > > Hi > > The tlan etherboot driver has been available from Rom-o-matic for a > couple of months. I have never had any problems with the Neteligent but > then again I used pci cards (not embeded) when I wrote the driver. > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 1 19:37:09 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon Mar 1 19:37:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078183854.1153.40.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Joe, There are two forms of ROMPAQ, remote and floppy. The remote version has to run from a server or another machine via serial cable. The floppy version will do exactly that, run from a floppy. It seems like you got the F10 setup and Diagnostics disks, so that's a plus. This usually resides from a special partition on the HDD, but can run from floppy. HTH Cheers, Bert On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 05:45, Joe Guenther wrote: > Just to wrap up the solution to the Compaq Deskpro 4000S Small Form > Factor... with onboard Netelligent NIC. > > I downloaded the ROM paq, but do not have the special software necessary to > do the remote ROM update, null modem cable etc. DUMB system if you ask me. > The latest ROMpaq also addresses the PXE boot issue, but who know if it > would have fixed it .... didn't get to try it. > > SO THEREFORE, I disabled the onboard NIC in the setup - had to do this via > diskette as I had removed the Hdd (makes for nice quiet machine later). I > then installed a 3Com905c, ran setup again to confirm that it was recognized > and the boot order included the NIC (I had tried another RTL NIC but it was > not included in the boot order. Now that I got that, I included that MAC > address in the dhcpd.conf and viola! we have a wonderful thin client.... a > P233 with 32Mb of RAM that works great. I get 1024x768 video on it. What > more could you ask from a machine that was destined for the recycler! > > I wish I could report a solution to the Netitelligent NIC, but I did not > have to tools to deal with it.... so I resignated and installed a real NIC > > joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf > Of jessemcdonnell at comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:02 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Cc: Joe Guenther; k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting > > > Joe, > > Try changing the server settings and leave the onboard nic. Your problem is > most likely caused by the implementation of PXE booting in Intel Landesk > 0.99 and will persist even if you swap out the nic. My Intel motherboard had > an onboard Intel eepro100 nic and it couldn't boot without making those > changes. I think you'll find you have to change these settings no matter > what nic you use. > > Good luck and let us know how you make out. > > Jesse > > > Jesse, > > > > That was a great link ... that is what makes this list so phenomenal!! So > > now the question is, ... do I just disable the onboard NIC and throw in a > > standard 3com905c ... certainly more simple. But hey thanks for the > > incredible tip. > > > > joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf > > Of Jesse McDonnell > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:06 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq Deskpro not PXE booting > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:19:16 -0700 > > "Joe Guenther" wrote: > > > > > I have an older Pentium 233MXX Compaq Deskpro with an on board > Netlligent > > > NIC. It will not PXE boot. A bit newer PIII600 Compaq Deskpro with > > onboard > > > Intel will work. SO I know that my server is functional. > > > > > > Here is the non-functioning boot Dialogue > > > > > > BOOTP > > > DHCP... > > > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > > > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.6 (so DHCP is working as per the DHCP.conf > > configuration) > > > TFTP..... > > > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > > > > > LSA-M99: Exiting LANDesk Service Agent > > > > > > > > > DHCP is working or it would not get the 192.168.0.6 address > > > PXE does work on the other compaq > > > > > > So where do I point this little monster to get his boot file? > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > I had an identical problem when setting up an Intel cn430tx board with > > onboard nic and Landesk Service Agent 0.99. Landesk Service Agent 0.99 is > > known to be buggy. The solution that worked for me is outlined at > > http://syslinux.zytor.com/hardware.php#network. > > > > Briefly, disable path MTU discovery on the boot server by changing the > > content of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from 0 to 1. > > To do this. as root, run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc from > > the command line. If you ever reboot your server you will have to rerun > this > > command. > > > > Disable the blksize TFTP option on your TFTP server by adding -r blksize > to > > the server_args in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > > The line in my system is: > > > > server_args = -r blksize -s /tftpboot/ > > > > You'll have to restart tftp for the changes to take effect.: /sbin/service > > xinetd restart should take of that. > > > > This works for me...hope it does for you. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 1 20:27:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:27:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for >SME/Linux, >or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? Take a look at Twiggi.....a lot of folks run this on E-Smith/SME you can find more about it by googling Twiggi and check out contribs.org David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 1 20:32:07 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:32:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] users breaking? In-Reply-To: <1078170351.2458.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> References: <1078170351.2458.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Quentin, I have a script to "purge" the .gconfd file from each users home directory. It's at school....email me tomorrow and I'll post it for you. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From keboone39 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 20:47:12 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Mon Mar 1 20:47:12 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] almost there... Message-ID: gave my lab a test run with the k12LTSP server 4.0. I am running 23 Dell optiplex 270s with flat panel monitors. All was fine with the machines booting to the server until my 20 plus students started to log in....disaster. The first 5 or so machines logged in well but as the other machines logged in the previous machines rebooted and started the PXE boot again. I never achieved any log ins. direction please.. _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Mar 1 21:35:00 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon Mar 1 21:35:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Kronophobia Message-ID: I;ve removed the php from the RH9 box and from: ftp://ftp.horde.org/pub/RPMS/i386/rh9/ I installed the following: libmcrypt-2.5.6-0horde2.i386.rpm 123 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 libmcrypt-devel-2.5.6-0horde2.i386.rpm 111 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 1683 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-devel-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 270 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-imap-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 412 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-ldap-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 38 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-manual-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 13388 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-mcrypt-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 35 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-mysql-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 37 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-odbc-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 44 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-pgsql-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 42 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 php-snmp-4.2.2-0horde3.i386.rpm 29 KB 04/24/03 00:00:00 At account activation I still get: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mcrypt_module_open() in /var/www/html/calendar/config/c_security.php on line 99 Maybe the mcrypt still isn't working... or maybe it's something else still! Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca From robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com Mon Mar 1 22:50:01 2004 From: robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Mon Mar 1 22:50:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404404C8.4060608@iwpnews.com> There is also http://phprojekt.com/ which installs on e-smith and seems to be almost infinitely configureable. I've installed it and played with it a bit, but can't give you an in-depth review. Robert Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all, > > Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people > on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. > > At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server > for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and > taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. > > Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, > or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? > > Please advise. > > Thanks > Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Robert Harrelson Inside Washington Publishers 703-416-8505 800-424-9068 robert.harrelson at iwpnews.com From ccurtis at nidaho.net Mon Mar 1 23:07:01 2004 From: ccurtis at nidaho.net (Chris Curtis) Date: Mon Mar 1 23:07:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: <404404C8.4060608@iwpnews.com> References: <404404C8.4060608@iwpnews.com> Message-ID: <1078200170.4295.5.camel@clt.sandpointcomputers.com> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 19:51, Robert Harrelson wrote: > There is also http://phprojekt.com/ which installs on e-smith and seems > to be almost infinitely configureable. I've installed it and played with > it a bit, but can't give you an in-depth review. > > Robert I have used phprojekt to run our business for a year now. While nobody likes to use the built in webmail ( I use evolution myself), the group based calendaring, and project management features are excellent. I also find the document management to work well for our on-site employees. We have not mastered the timesheets, but that feature is just what someone needs who bills by time. Chris Curtis From troybanther at plateautel.net Mon Mar 1 23:13:01 2004 From: troybanther at plateautel.net (troy banther) Date: Mon Mar 1 23:13:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: <1078200170.4295.5.camel@clt.sandpointcomputers.com> References: <404404C8.4060608@iwpnews.com> <1078200170.4295.5.camel@clt.sandpointcomputers.com> Message-ID: <1078200896.3115.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Out of curiosity. Does anyone have computer consulting business forms they use and would be willing to share as a template? I am thinking of moving into the business. I don't really wish to re-invent forms unless I have to. Troy -- troy banther - avid fedora linux user actually live what you believe - practice compassion http://banther-trx.homeunix.com From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue Mar 2 00:45:01 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Tue Mar 2 00:45:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] almost there... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078206388.27890.3.camel@homepc.localdomain> There are three bottlenecks: 1) Bandwidth - Tell us about the network setup. For 23 machines you should have at least a 24 port, 100base switch. Better would be a 24 port, 100base switch with a gig uplink to a gig card on the server. 2) Hard drive - With more than 10 clients you'll need a scsi hard drive for /home. 3) RAM - you'll want 500mb for the server OS plus 50mb each for clients. For 23 machines you'd need 1.5+gigs of ram. More would be better. So to get any help you'll have to tell us what you have in terms of 1, 2, 3, and I bet we'll find your problem. ;-) On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 17:48, Kevin Boone wrote: > gave my lab a test run with the k12LTSP server 4.0. > > I am running 23 Dell optiplex 270s with flat panel monitors. All was fine > with the machines booting to the server until my 20 plus students started to > log in....disaster. The first 5 or so machines logged in well but as the > other machines logged in the previous machines rebooted and started the PXE > boot again. I never achieved any log ins. direction please.. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as > $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 voice(503)892-0722...fax(503)892-0723.. http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 02:28:02 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Mar 2 02:28:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] almost there... Message-ID: I am working with at least a 1) 24 port 100base Alcatel switch...2) 2- 9 GB SCSI hard drives, everything was setup on one HD...3) RAM not even close !!!!! I need to upgrade RAM and create a /home directory on my second HD. >From: Paul Nelson >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] almost there... >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:46:28 -0800 > >There are three bottlenecks: > >1) Bandwidth - Tell us about the network setup. For 23 machines you >should have at least a 24 port, 100base switch. Better would be a 24 >port, 100base switch with a gig uplink to a gig card on the server. > >2) Hard drive - With more than 10 clients you'll need a scsi hard drive >for /home. > >3) RAM - you'll want 500mb for the server OS plus 50mb each for clients. >For 23 machines you'd need 1.5+gigs of ram. More would be better. > >So to get any help you'll have to tell us what you have in terms of 1, >2, 3, and I bet we'll find your problem. > >;-) > >On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 17:48, Kevin Boone wrote: > > gave my lab a test run with the k12LTSP server 4.0. > > > > I am running 23 Dell optiplex 270s with flat panel monitors. All was >fine > > with the machines booting to the server until my 20 plus students >started to > > log in....disaster. The first 5 or so machines logged in well but as >the > > other machines logged in the previous machines rebooted and started the >PXE > > boot again. I never achieved any log ins. direction please.. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as > > $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see >-- >====================================================================== >Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us >Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 >voice(503)892-0722...fax(503)892-0723.. http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Create a Job Alert on MSN Careers and enter for a chance to win $1000! http://msn.careerbuilder.com/promo/kaday.htm?siteid=CBMSN_1K&sc_extcmp=JS_JASweep_MSNHotm2 From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 02:43:02 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Mar 2 02:43:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP Message-ID: thanks I will give it a go. >From: Les Mikesell >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12LTSP and static IP >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:47:37 -0600 > >On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 20:01, Kevin Boone wrote: > > that x server solution is just not affordable at this time. But it >would > > be a perfect solution. > > > >Cygwin X is free and works pretty well: http://www.cygwin.com. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 02:49:00 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Mar 2 02:49:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apm: Message-ID: I'm sorry this was not k12ltsp problem...I also have red hat 9 (store bought)...I did a server install and on reboot it hangs a the apm message... >From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] apm: >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:47:18 -0500 > >Kevin Boone wrote: > >>Can the apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (driver version 1.16) >> >>be fixed? > > >What's happening? Is the server going into sleep mode on you? That would >not be good.... > >--TP >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Do you GNU!? >Free/Open Source: Get back control of your computer fast, especially when >online :-) > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 2 06:53:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Tue Mar 2 06:53:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] users breaking? In-Reply-To: References: <1078170351.2458.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <404475D5.1040306@downeast.net> i/d lik to take a look at it too-btw have you tried libranet as a server? sems like it has a lot of possibilities..especially for the novice user...chuck David Trask wrote: >Quentin, > >I have a script to "purge" the .gconfd file from each users home >directory. It's at school....email me tomorrow and I'll post it for you. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Tue Mar 2 08:50:06 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Tue Mar 2 08:50:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Groupware, E-Smith and More... Message-ID: <1078235014.15705.20.camel@localhost> Nick, The ones I would look into would be either Novell's Groupwise or OpenGroupware.org. Both have web interfaces but that doesn't mean you couldn't use Ximian Evolution (with exchange connector)or alike. I've tried installing OpenGroupware.org but to be honest I never got it to work correctly and it was a pain because of all of the dependencies. I think I heard they are working on a unified install but who knows when that will be ready. Novell's Groupwise I haven't played around with but I've heard good things. Also they sell the licenses for 50% off to educational, government, and and I think certain other organizations. Good Luck. From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 10:42:14 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Mar 2 10:42:14 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists Message-ID: Is it possible to create an export list in k12LTSP? How can I import a class list? _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar ? includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Mar 2 11:10:03 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:10:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078243909.4039.0.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 07:44, Kevin Boone wrote: > Is it possible to create an export list in k12LTSP? For what purpose? Logins, gradebook, etc... > How can I import a class list? Again, into what exactly? More detail will go a long towards getting a useful answer.... ;) -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Mar 2 11:18:22 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:18:22 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] users breaking? In-Reply-To: References: <1078170351.2458.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1078244408.4046.10.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 17:36, David Trask wrote: > Quentin, > > I have a script to "purge" the .gconfd file from each users home > directory. It's at school....email me tomorrow and I'll post it for you. That would be super. I managed to find a "suicide" script by digging through the mail archives using google's site: function since the RH search is still b0rken. Is that the best way we have found to cleanup dead processes that users leave behind? I am also curious why this has suddenly become a problem, albeit a fairly minor one. Is there some user behavior that leaves processes lying around like this? Perhaps turning the terminals off rather than logging out? That seems likely, but again, I find it odd that I haven't seen this before in the many months that this system has been running. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 2 11:32:03 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue Mar 2 11:32:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] users breaking? In-Reply-To: <1078244408.4046.10.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> References: <1078170351.2458.20.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> < > <1078244408.4046.10.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: These two scripts are used to "flush" the .gconfd files of all users. Use the reset-gconfd file to do an individual reset-gconfd username or use the reset-all-gconfd to do them all. I recommend doing everyone. If you're having problems this is one way to fix them. I often had these issues when switching between gdm and kdm. Let me know how it works. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: reset-gconfd Type: application/octet-stream Size: 492 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: reset-all-gconfd Type: application/octet-stream Size: 285 bytes Desc: not available URL: From keboone39 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 2 14:06:00 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Tue Mar 2 14:06:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists Message-ID: for logins...I want to create an export file of the users on the k12ltsp server to import on redhat 8.0 and redhat 9.0 machines. >From: Quentin Hartman >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:11:49 -0800 > >On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 07:44, Kevin Boone wrote: > > Is it possible to create an export list in k12LTSP? >For what purpose? Logins, gradebook, etc... > > > How can I import a class list? >Again, into what exactly? More detail will go a long towards getting a >useful answer.... ;) > >-- > -Regards- > >-Quentin Hartman- > >Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator >Fern Ridge School District 28J >Elmira, OR >Office: 541-935-2253 x429 >Cell: 541-914-2989 >qhartman at lane.k12.or.us >www.fernridge.k12.or.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar ? includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 2 15:14:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 2 15:14:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078258521.31360.7.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:07, Kevin Boone wrote: > for logins...I want to create an export file of the users on the k12ltsp > server to import on redhat 8.0 and redhat 9.0 machines. this is an excellent idea. I will roll some ideas around today. If anyone else has ideas IM me ICQ: 251446959 and we can PERL something up. ;-) /steve From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 2 15:42:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Mar 2 15:42:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: <1078258521.31360.7.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078258521.31360.7.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078259971.19851.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 14:15, Steve Wright wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:07, Kevin Boone wrote: > > for logins...I want to create an export file of the users on the k12ltsp > > server to import on redhat 8.0 and redhat 9.0 machines. > > > this is an excellent idea. I will roll some ideas around today. > > If anyone else has ideas IM me ICQ: 251446959 and we can PERL something > up. ;-) > If the machines are going to be online at the same time, wouldn't the best approach be to import your password files to LDAP and let the others authenticate against it? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 2 15:54:08 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 2 15:54:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: <1078259971.19851.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1078258521.31360.7.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078259971.19851.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1078260930.31360.16.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:39, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 14:15, Steve Wright wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 08:07, Kevin Boone wrote: > > > for logins...I want to create an export file of the users on the k12ltsp > > > server to import on redhat 8.0 and redhat 9.0 machines. > > > > > > this is an excellent idea. I will roll some ideas around today. > > > > If anyone else has ideas IM me ICQ: 251446959 and we can PERL something > > up. ;-) > > > > If the machines are going to be online at the same time, wouldn't the > best approach be to import your password files to LDAP and let the > others authenticate against it? sounds good, but I know little about LDAP. A simple script that will parse out /etc/passwd during --export and utilise `adduser` during --import might suffice. The same script might be useful for restoring a backup too, as such a restore puts users' directories in place but not their account entries. I am thinking that I have no system that I might test this on, and my PERL is such that I must test every step of the way, so I am somewhat limited here. /steve From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue Mar 2 16:00:13 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue Mar 2 16:00:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists Message-ID: Les Mikesell wrote: >> If the machines are going to be online at the same time, wouldn't the best approach be to import your password files to LDAP and let the others authenticate against it? << Seconded. I tried using the Webmin cluster users and groups feature to synchronize two Samba servers, but with limited success (or perhaps I misunderstood what it was supposed to do). LDAP is the way to go, without a doubt. It's a steep learning curve, though. I have a very fat manila folder of printed-off HOW-TO's and other info, but am not much the wiser, although at least I have it working in a test setup. Can anyone suggest any particularly good books or other references on the topic? (http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/9445fa5b416f6e32852569ae006bb65f/912ecdc5d22172a68625662800797758?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,LDAP is good, especially since it's free, but it was last updated in 1999, and of course, says nothing about OpenLDAP) Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Mar 2 16:10:03 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue Mar 2 16:10:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: to all: this might be helpful. I used a script called CreateUsers. here are a few links: http://www.lfsp.org/ *** http://www.lfsp.org/users.html try that - maybe it will do what you are wanting to do. Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LANtech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Boone Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:08 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists for logins...I want to create an export file of the users on the k12ltsp server to import on redhat 8.0 and redhat 9.0 machines. >From: Quentin Hartman >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:11:49 -0800 > >On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 07:44, Kevin Boone wrote: > > Is it possible to create an export list in k12LTSP? >For what purpose? Logins, gradebook, etc... > > > How can I import a class list? >Again, into what exactly? More detail will go a long towards getting a >useful answer.... ;) > >-- > -Regards- > >-Quentin Hartman- > >Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator >Fern Ridge School District 28J >Elmira, OR >Office: 541-935-2253 x429 >Cell: 541-914-2989 >qhartman at lane.k12.or.us >www.fernridge.k12.or.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar ? includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 2 16:12:22 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Mar 2 16:12:22 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078261812.19851.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 15:05, Les Bell wrote: > Seconded. I tried using the Webmin cluster users and groups feature to > synchronize two Samba servers, but with limited success (or perhaps I > misunderstood what it was supposed to do). LDAP is the way to go, without a > doubt. It's a steep learning curve, though. I have a very fat manila folder > of printed-off HOW-TO's and other info, but am not much the wiser, although > at least I have it working in a test setup. Can anyone suggest any > particularly good books or other references on the topic? It looks like someone has done it already, although the dates seem a little old. I thought there were some changes in the schema for samba 3.x acting as a domain controller. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ALDAP Has anyone checked the current idealx scripts? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue Mar 2 16:42:02 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue Mar 2 16:42:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists Message-ID: Les Mikesell wrote: >> It looks like someone has done it already, although the dates seem a little old. I thought there were some changes in the schema for samba 3.x acting as a domain controller. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ALDAP << That's useful, Les - but I was referring to something a bit more general on LDAP, rather than just Samba/LDAP. I'm using it with the base OS, Samba, Pear::LDAP, Perl::LDAP, Apache (1.x and 2.x) and a bunch of other stuff. I'm also trying to work with other LDAP servers (e.g. Lotus Domino). So I'll take all the help I can get, especially a really good book that would explain all this stuff. Everything I've seen is either too basic or seems to start at the LDAP guru level. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From ckacoroski at nsd.org Tue Mar 2 16:44:16 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Tue Mar 2 16:44:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI - results on new 3ware card In-Reply-To: <1077933132.19573.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> <243891AC-6985-11D8-B69F-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <018101c3fd96$d0dd6d80$692a1318@attbi.com> <1077933132.19573.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Test equipment: 1. Sun V280 with single 10K ultra scsi disk, UFS filesystem 2. Apple xserve G5 with xserve array (ATA disks, fiber channel interface, striped configuration, hfs+) 3. Xeon Redhat AS3 with 3ware raid (9-250GB ATA 7200 rpm disks, raid5 configuration, ext3) 4. Xeon Redhat AS3 with 3ware raid (2-36GB ATA 10000 rpm disks, mirrored, ext3) In summary, configuration 4 was about 4x-5x faster than configuration 1 and configuration 3 was about 2x faster than configuration 1 for many small files (Postmark test). For the read+find at the same time test (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6931) configuration 3 & 4 were about 20x faster. The Apple xserve was all over the map, but in general it was about the same or slower than a single scsi disk. Please note that this was not a rigorous test. Just something to ballpark the performance of the 3ware raid card. If you want the detailed results, I can send them to you (they are in an excel spreadsheet). cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 2 16:55:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 2 16:55:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078264585.621.1.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:11, Joe Guenther wrote: > to all: > > this might be helpful. I used a script called CreateUsers. > > here are a few links: > [..] http://www.lfsp.org/users.html Thanks Joe. /sw From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 2 20:03:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue Mar 2 20:03:27 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum Message-ID: <002401c400bb$ada19a30$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Hey Les, I am hoping you can help me with this one based off of your past email. I have another box with LTSP 3.1.2 on it and wanted to try a yum install for Xine on a machine that wan't hosed up with my testing. However it returns an error saying that there is no program by that name when I issue "yum install xine". Is there another yum repository I should be adding to my yum.conf in order to have a broader program base than what is in the default? Maybe this would help me with some of the problems I have been having. I tried to add FreshRPMS to the list but I clearly don't know what the heck I am doing. From what I can tell it is supposed to be available. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 2 20:23:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue Mar 2 20:23:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <002401c400bb$ada19a30$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002b01c400be$6feff6c0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> I hate when I find the answer myself minutes after posting to the list. I just found on FreshRPMS a sample yum.conf and pulled the servers from their list and added it to mine and viola, it worked. That sure made a tough project easy, I ran "yum install xine" and it was running in about 5 minutes. Cool Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:06 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum Hey Les, I am hoping you can help me with this one based off of your past email. I have another box with LTSP 3.1.2 on it and wanted to try a yum install for Xine on a machine that wan't hosed up with my testing. However it returns an error saying that there is no program by that name when I issue "yum install xine". Is there another yum repository I should be adding to my yum.conf in order to have a broader program base than what is in the default? Maybe this would help me with some of the problems I have been having. 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URL: From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 2 20:36:06 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 2 20:36:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <002b01c400be$6feff6c0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c400be$6feff6c0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078277876.621.7.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I hate when I find the answer myself minutes after posting to the > list. > > I just found on FreshRPMS a sample yum.conf and pulled the servers > from their list and added it to mine and viola, it worked. That sure > made a tough project easy, I ran "yum install xine" and it was running > in about 5 minutes. Cool > > Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a > library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no > config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. which yum.conf did you use ? A URL? I used atrpms apt-get sources list to build a Television/Multimedia/MythTV box from K12LTSP 4.0 and it works ok'ish, but it was fairly invasive. OT - BTW MythTV and/or TVTime is awesome, especially on my 21" Trinitron monitor. /steve From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Mar 2 20:37:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Tue Mar 2 20:37:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <002b01c400be$6feff6c0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c400be$6feff6c0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4044F0EE.3080402@cmosnetworks.com> Remember the audience--education. I just haven't seen a pressing need for DVD watching, on your server, in an educational aspect, so that may be why you're seeing that after a LTSP server-type install. That said, remember that K12LTSP 3.1.x is based on Red Hat Linux 9. I run K12LTSP 3.1.1 on my workstation at the office, and Xine is on it, from the install CD's. You may have to choose to install individual apps to get that, though. Also, if you intend to watch CSS-encrypted DVD's with Xine (that'd be most store-bought movie DVD's), you'll need the DeCSS library. That's not going to be on the install CD of any GNU/Linux distribution "officially" made or sold in the United States. That work is done outside of the USA, for legal reasons. I've heard that it works, but I just haven't tried it myself. --TP Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I hate when I find the answer myself minutes after posting to the list. > > I just found on FreshRPMS a sample yum.conf and pulled the servers > from their list and added it to mine and viola, it worked. That sure > made a tough project easy, I ran "yum install xine" and it was running > in about 5 minutes. Cool > > Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a > library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no > config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] > *On Behalf Of *Jim Kronebusch > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:06 PM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum > > Hey Les, I am hoping you can help me with this one based off of > your past email. I have another box with LTSP 3.1.2 on it and > wanted to try a yum install for Xine on a machine that wan't hosed > up with my testing. However it returns an error saying that there > is no program by that name when I issue "yum install xine". Is > there another yum repository I should be adding to my yum.conf in > order to have a broader program base than what is in the default? > Maybe this would help me with some of the problems I have been > having. I tried to add FreshRPMS to the list but I clearly don't > know what the heck I am doing. >From what I can tell it is > supposed to be available. > > Thanks > From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 2 21:01:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Mar 2 21:01:15 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <002b01c400be$6feff6c0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c400be$6feff6c0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078279363.10226.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 19:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a > library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no > config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. Different sites have different specialties, and some of the packages have questions about patent infringement that might make them illegal to distribute in the US. Here is a list of RPM packagers, although they aren't all apt/yum. http://www.rpm.org/packagers/ --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 2 22:19:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 2 22:19:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078284024.621.39.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 04:44, Kevin Boone wrote: > Is it possible to create an export list in k12LTSP? Ok, I slapped this together just for fun. usage is simply ; $ dumpusers.pl Do this on the machine you are dumping. You may output the result to file simply by redirecting, viz, `dumpusers.pl > users.txt` You should now have a tidy file with all your users in it, complete with new passwords. Yes, NEW passwords. Now, you can use scripts from here http://www.lfsp.org/users.html to either REMOVE these users off your system, or ADD them to another system. BE CAREFUL doing this. Download it from http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~steve/files/dumpusers.pl You might want to make yourself a /home/user/bin directory and biff it in there. Run my newbie hackerish scripts as root on your production server and diiiiiiie, ok. Just don't. You must also install pwgen - a pronounceable password generator. RPM made by checkinstall on my K12LTSP v4.1 system, available from here http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~steve/files/pwgen-2.03-1.i386.rpm Or build it yourself from source from here ; http://sourceforge.net/projects/pwgen/ enjoy, and don't break anything. ;-) /Steve From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 2 22:26:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue Mar 2 22:26:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078277876.621.7.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <004f01c400cf$a7dbd9d0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wright Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:38 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I hate when I find the answer myself minutes after posting to the > list. > > I just found on FreshRPMS a sample yum.conf and pulled the servers > from their list and added it to mine and viola, it worked. That sure > made a tough project easy, I ran "yum install xine" and it was running > in about 5 minutes. Cool > > Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a > library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no > config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. which yum.conf did you use ? A URL? I used atrpms apt-get sources list to build a Television/Multimedia/MythTV box from K12LTSP 4.0 and it works ok'ish, but it was fairly invasive. OT - BTW MythTV and/or TVTime is awesome, especially on my 21" Trinitron monitor. /steve --------------------------- I used the following: [os] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - os baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/os [updates] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - updates baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/updates [freshrpms] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - freshrpms baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms Not sure if it is right, but it seemed to work. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 2 22:28:01 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue Mar 2 22:28:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078279363.10226.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <005001c400cf$ea28f700$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:03 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 19:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a > library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no > config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. Different sites have different specialties, and some of the packages have questions about patent infringement that might make them illegal to distribute in the US. Here is a list of RPM packagers, although they aren't all apt/yum. http://www.rpm.org/packagers/ --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ---------------------------- Now that you mention it I seem to remember some talk about intellectual property on this list a few weeks ago, probably a smart choice to be on the safe side. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 2 22:35:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue Mar 2 22:35:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <4044F0EE.3080402@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <005101c400d0$d6ee1020$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> You are very correct in that there is no "pressing" need. The interest for DVD playback is on many levels, however I was intrigued by a post about a month ago regarding DVD playback from the server to a lab of machines for student viewing. Part of the reasoning is that if I go Linux in most of our schools I want to go all the way, Admins, Teachers, Labs, etc. A lot of admin use the laptops at home and at school and would want a DVD player on the local machine, we also have a recruitment team that plays a promotional DVD on their laptops for potential customers when on the road. Also I have been using this as my main system at home to get more familiar with LTSP so a DVD player there is nice. I guess I have been taking the lazy way out and loading LTSP on everything, instead of using it for its true purpose only on servers. It is just cool to have an easy way to get all of the educational apps on the fat machines without installing RH then the educational programs. I guess I shouldn't be lazy :-) Sorry to bother. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 2:39 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum Remember the audience--education. I just haven't seen a pressing need for DVD watching, on your server, in an educational aspect, so that may be why you're seeing that after a LTSP server-type install. That said, remember that K12LTSP 3.1.x is based on Red Hat Linux 9. I run K12LTSP 3.1.1 on my workstation at the office, and Xine is on it, from the install CD's. You may have to choose to install individual apps to get that, though. Also, if you intend to watch CSS-encrypted DVD's with Xine (that'd be most store-bought movie DVD's), you'll need the DeCSS library. That's not going to be on the install CD of any GNU/Linux distribution "officially" made or sold in the United States. That work is done outside of the USA, for legal reasons. I've heard that it works, but I just haven't tried it myself. --TP Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I hate when I find the answer myself minutes after posting to the > list. > > I just found on FreshRPMS a sample yum.conf and pulled the servers > from their list and added it to mine and viola, it worked. That sure > made a tough project easy, I ran "yum install xine" and it was running > in about 5 minutes. Cool > > Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a > library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no > config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] > *On Behalf Of *Jim Kronebusch > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:06 PM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum > > Hey Les, I am hoping you can help me with this one based off of > your past email. I have another box with LTSP 3.1.2 on it and > wanted to try a yum install for Xine on a machine that wan't hosed > up with my testing. However it returns an error saying that there > is no program by that name when I issue "yum install xine". Is > there another yum repository I should be adding to my yum.conf in > order to have a broader program base than what is in the default? > Maybe this would help me with some of the problems I have been > having. I tried to add FreshRPMS to the list but I clearly don't > know what the heck I am doing. >From what I can tell it is > supposed to be available. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 2 22:42:37 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue Mar 2 22:42:37 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: <1078284024.621.39.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <005201c400d1$df46cae0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Awesome, I will be getting there this summer. However I will of course need to use existing passwords as not to confuse the general population. Would it be safe to assume that I could pull your generated users.txt into an existing database as a delimited file to match up with existing users and passwords? FYI - I clicked the link to download the pl and I get a 403 forbidden error. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wright Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:20 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 04:44, Kevin Boone wrote: > Is it possible to create an export list in k12LTSP? Ok, I slapped this together just for fun. usage is simply ; $ dumpusers.pl Do this on the machine you are dumping. You may output the result to file simply by redirecting, viz, `dumpusers.pl > users.txt` You should now have a tidy file with all your users in it, complete with new passwords. Yes, NEW passwords. Now, you can use scripts from here http://www.lfsp.org/users.html to either REMOVE these users off your system, or ADD them to another system. BE CAREFUL doing this. Download it from http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~steve/files/dumpusers.pl You might want to make yourself a /home/user/bin directory and biff it in there. Run my newbie hackerish scripts as root on your production server and diiiiiiie, ok. Just don't. You must also install pwgen - a pronounceable password generator. RPM made by checkinstall on my K12LTSP v4.1 system, available from here http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~steve/files/pwgen-2.03-1.i386.rpm Or build it yourself from source from here ; http://sourceforge.net/projects/pwgen/ enjoy, and don't break anything. ;-) /Steve _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 From robark at telus.net Tue Mar 2 23:10:01 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue Mar 2 23:10:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval Message-ID: <200403022007.46562.robark@telus.net> Hi , I teach C++ programming and I am VERY happy to announce I just got approval for a K12LTSP pilot project for my lab (30 clients). I am planning on using Anjuta for the C++ IDE and Nautilus as file browser. I would like to have gnome 2.4 or better as the desktop. I want to run version 4 of K12LTSP. My clients are 30 233 PII's 196M ram 440LX Intel MB Riva 128 video with 4 megs 3com 3c905-TX pci NIC ensoniq 1370 sound 4 gig hard drives with Windows NT (ntfs) Proposed server: dual opteron or xeon 4 gigs ram 2 sata hard drives (contemplating raid 0/1) I have 3 questions: 1) I know Nvidia has dropped binary driver support for the Riva 128. But xfree86 has support for the Riva 128 with the nv3 driver. Fortunately, I only need 2D acceleration. However, nvidia has a note about the Riva 128 "nv is an XFree86 driver for NVIDIA video cards. The driver supports 2D acceleration and provides support for the following framebuffer depths: 8, 15, 16 (except Riva128) and 24. All visual types are supported for depth 8, TrueColor and DirectColor visuals are supported for the other depths with the exception of the Riva128 which only supports TrueColor in the higher depths." So it looks like I can't use 16 bit color depth. Just wondering if anyone has had problems using 24 bit color with this card? Is 24 bit color a burden on the network? I don't think 15 bit is going to look very nice. Both the server and clients will only have 100Mb/s ethernet cards. Anyone think I will definetly need a gigabit NIC on server? 2) The NIC's in the clients are 3com 3c905-TX pci cards. I am going to use rom-o-matic to etherboot the clients from the floppy drive. Wondering if anyone has had problems with this setup? 3) What's the ETA on kernel 2.6 to K12LTSP? I ask because I am thinking of using SATA instead of SCSI. Also, contemplating if I need SATA RAID or if I should just buy 2 drives and put /home on one and / on the other. If I go RAID I will buy a 3ware 8000 series Escalade true raid card. Anyone have this setup? Robert From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 2 23:25:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 2 23:25:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: <005201c400d1$df46cae0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <005201c400d1$df46cae0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078288006.621.41.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 16:44, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Awesome, I will be getting there this summer. However I will of course > need to use existing passwords as not to confuse the general population. > Would it be safe to assume that I could pull your generated users.txt > into an existing database as a delimited file to match up with existing > users and passwords? > > FYI - I clicked the link to download the pl and I get a 403 forbidden > error. /me rolls eyes.. remember to chmod 755 ay... fixed, try again. /sw From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 2 23:47:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 2 23:47:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: <005201c400d1$df46cae0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <005201c400d1$df46cae0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078289285.621.63.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 16:44, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Awesome, I will be getting there this summer. However I will of course > need to use existing passwords as not to confuse the general population. > Would it be safe to assume that I could pull your generated users.txt > into an existing database as a delimited file to match up with existing > users and passwords? Not unless you want to enter it all by hand.. The problem is, that the passwords are already encrypted, so you cannot reuse them. As far as the system is concerned, once you have encrypted the password then the plain-text version of it is lost forever. I would not be one to hack /etc/shadow directly, ooo no.. not me.. /steve From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Mar 3 00:05:01 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed Mar 3 00:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum Message-ID: "Terrell Prude', Jr." wrote: >> Also, if you intend to watch CSS-encrypted DVD's with Xine (that'd be most store-bought movie DVD's), you'll need the DeCSS library. That's not going to be on the install CD of any GNU/Linux distribution "officially" made or sold in the United States. That work is done outside of the USA, for legal reasons. I've heard that it works, but I just haven't tried it myself. << I've been having quite good results with Ogle; I didn't do anything special about DeCSS, so it must have been one of the standard packages I grabbed to install it. See http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ (Oh, yeah - I see the reference to libdvdcss on the Ogle site. No problem installing it, though). Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 00:45:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 00:45:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078292807.10226.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 23:10, Les Bell wrote: > I've been having quite good results with Ogle; I didn't do anything special > about DeCSS, so it must have been one of the standard packages I grabbed to > install it. See http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ (Oh, yeah - I see > the reference to libdvdcss on the Ogle site. No problem installing it, > though). > The videolan client/server might be a nice fit for k12ltsp. You would want the client running as a local app on the terminal and the multicast mode of the server if you wanted to drive more than a few screens. The client as a local app would be able to play DVD/VCD/SVCD format on the desktop too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 3 00:48:00 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed Mar 3 00:48:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval In-Reply-To: <200403022007.46562.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >I have 3 questions: > >1) >I know Nvidia has dropped binary driver support for the Riva 128. But xfree86 >has support for the Riva 128 with the nv3 driver. Fortunately, I only need 2D >acceleration. However, nvidia has a note about the Riva 128 I used to use a Riva-based card in one of my test terminals. I don't recall ever having a problem with it. >2) >The NIC's in the clients are 3com 3c905-TX pci cards. I am going to use >rom-o-matic to etherboot the clients from the floppy drive. Wondering if >anyone has had problems with this setup? Should not be a problem (3com ISA cards took some fiddling to work, the PCI cards work out of the box). >3) >What's the ETA on kernel 2.6 to K12LTSP? I ask because I am thinking of using >SATA instead of SCSI. Also, contemplating if I need SATA RAID or if I should >just buy 2 drives and put /home on one and / on the other. If I go RAID I >will buy a 3ware 8000 series Escalade true raid card. Anyone have this setup? We're a month or two out for the first "real" kernel 2.6-based K12LTSP beta. With a few hacks I have FC2T1+rawhide mostly working right now ;-) The question of SCSI vs SATA is in discussion/testing right now. In the initial round of testing, U320 SCSI drives are 50% faster in random I/O than SATA drives (36G, 10k rpm drives in both cases). Random I/O is what makes or breaks terminal servers. SATA appears to be much better that PATA, but as far as I can tell fast SCSI drives are still the best deal for mid-to-large terminal servers. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 00:52:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 00:52:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: <1078289285.621.63.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <005201c400d1$df46cae0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> <1078289285.621.63.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078293251.10226.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 22:48, Steve Wright wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 16:44, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Awesome, I will be getting there this summer. However I will of course > > need to use existing passwords as not to confuse the general population. > > Would it be safe to assume that I could pull your generated users.txt > > into an existing database as a delimited file to match up with existing > > users and passwords? > > Not unless you want to enter it all by hand.. The problem is, that the > passwords are already encrypted, so you cannot reuse them. > > As far as the system is concerned, once you have encrypted the password > then the plain-text version of it is lost forever. I would not be one > to hack /etc/shadow directly, ooo no.. not me.. Most linux systems would read each other's passwd/shadow files directly. There might be a few differences in the users below uid 500 but those could be fixed by hand. It might be easier to script the home directory creation and use exact copies of the password/shadow files on all machines. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 01:53:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 01:53:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <004f01c400cf$a7dbd9d0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <004f01c400cf$a7dbd9d0$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078296882.6128.3.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> tnx Jim. /steve On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 16:28, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Steve Wright > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:38 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum > > > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:25, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I hate when I find the answer myself minutes after posting to the > > list. > > > > I just found on FreshRPMS a sample yum.conf and pulled the servers > > from their list and added it to mine and viola, it worked. That sure > > made a tough project easy, I ran "yum install xine" and it was running > > > in about 5 minutes. Cool > > > > Is there a reason that the LTSP default servers don't have as robust a > > > library for apps as some others? It sure would have been handy if no > > config mods were necessary, but now I know how to solve it. > > > which yum.conf did you use ? A URL? > > I used atrpms apt-get sources list to build a > Television/Multimedia/MythTV box from K12LTSP 4.0 and it works ok'ish, > but it was fairly invasive. > > OT - BTW MythTV and/or TVTime is awesome, especially on my 21" > Trinitron monitor. > > > /steve > --------------------------- > > I used the following: > [os] > name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - os > baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/os > > [updates] > name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - updates > baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/updates > > [freshrpms] > name=Red Hat Linux $releasever - $basearch - freshrpms > baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/freshrpms > > Not sure if it is right, but it seemed to work. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Mar 3 08:58:18 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed Mar 3 08:58:18 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... Message-ID: <030320041345.18031.2335@comcast.net> Nick, Although not SME-based, Suse Linux Openexchange is nice and may fit your needs (then again, you say you have already switched to SME). It is concurrent user license based so you wouldn't need a license for everyone. There is also eGroupware as well. Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware > Hi all, > > Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people > on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. > > At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server > for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and > taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. > > Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, > or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? > > Please advise. > > Thanks > Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 3 08:59:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed Mar 3 08:59:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >SATA appears to be much better that PATA, but as far as I can tell fast >SCSI drives are still the best deal for mid-to-large terminal servers. Not only that I've seen some results that support that SCSI drives simply are built to last longer. Generally speaking SCSI drives are built for server environments....hence they're meant to sit and spin a high speeds day in and day out. No denying that they're also considerably more expensive, but sometimes ya' gotta' weigh the "what ifs" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From kevin at ross.kunaschools.org Wed Mar 3 09:32:00 2004 From: kevin at ross.kunaschools.org (Kevin Christensen) Date: Wed Mar 3 09:32:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS backup Message-ID: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I want it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. Thanks guys Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 09:33:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 09:33:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078324482.12009.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 07:59, David Trask wrote: > k12osn at redhat.com writes: > >SATA appears to be much better that PATA, but as far as I can tell fast > >SCSI drives are still the best deal for mid-to-large terminal servers. > > Not only that I've seen some results that support that SCSI drives simply > are built to last longer. Generally speaking SCSI drives are built for > server environments....hence they're meant to sit and spin a high speeds > day in and day out. No denying that they're also considerably more > expensive, but sometimes ya' gotta' weigh the "what ifs" That was probably the case a few years ago, but now I think nearly all manufacturers take exactly the same mechanical parts and slap on a different logic board. There is still the bottleneck with head position and since IDE is cheaper you'll probably buy bigger drives that make this even worse. Anyway, for most multiuser purposes you should max out the RAM before considering spending more on the disk controller and drives. A database that fsync()s transactions all the time would be an exception because extra buffers won't help with that. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 3 10:00:05 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 3 10:00:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Sids Message-ID: <3308.170.211.161.150.1078326158.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> We're migrating to Whitebox on our server. When I do this.....what about the sids that were generated? I don't want to have to go around rejoining my machines to the domain. Is there a place these are stored that I can backup? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Mar 3 10:04:00 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed Mar 3 10:04:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS backup In-Reply-To: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: >Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I >want it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > >Thanks guys >Kevin I would look at Rsync to do your backups: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABackups%3Arsync -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hendersonh at unit5.org Wed Mar 3 10:13:24 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Wed Mar 3 10:13:24 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS backup Message-ID: Check our BRU backup. Works for Linux and Mac OSX as well. Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> scott at hancock.k12.mi.us 03/03/04 09:05AM >>> >Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I >want it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > >Thanks guys >Kevin I would look at Rsync to do your backups: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABackups%3Arsync From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Mar 3 10:20:01 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed Mar 3 10:20:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078292807.10226.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1078292807.10226.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4045F800.5090201@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 23:10, Les Bell wrote: > > >>I've been having quite good results with Ogle; I didn't do anything special >>about DeCSS, so it must have been one of the standard packages I grabbed to >>install it. See http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ (Oh, yeah - I see >>the reference to libdvdcss on the Ogle site. No problem installing it, >>though). >> > > > The videolan client/server might be a nice fit for k12ltsp. You > would want the client running as a local app on the terminal > and the multicast mode of the server if you wanted to drive > more than a few screens. The client as a local app would > be able to play DVD/VCD/SVCD format on the desktop too. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com OK, let me chime in on this one. About a year ago I "tried" to get Ogle to work on the server but didn't have success. Now I realize it was probably the DeCSS library... BUT, on to my question... How can I make it so that the teacher can use the DVD drive on the server to show movies to her class? She will have access to an LCD projector, so I'll just attach the projector to the server and display it from there. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Mar 3 10:56:07 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed Mar 3 10:56:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS backup In-Reply-To: References: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <404600BB.7010509@chartermi.net> Scott Sherrill wrote: >> Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I >> want it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > >> Thanks guys > >> Kevin > > I would look at Rsync to do your backups: > > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABackups%3Arsync And for a cool "packaged" solution that impliments the above for you, check out http://www.rsnapshot.org/ -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Mar 3 11:08:13 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed Mar 3 11:08:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... Message-ID: We use squid and squidguard for our proxy service and internet filtering. Students login to use the internet and access can be removed by each individual student. Once in awhile, students will share their accounts with their friends. If for example Johnny loses his privileges he will borrow Sally's account and surf as her. I've been thinking about ways to make it easier for the adult in the room to monitor who is logged in and where students are going. I've come up with two ideas, one is to put a banner on top of each page visited that says who is currently logged in according to squid. That way a teacher could easily see if the userid being used matches the student sitting at the station. The other idea was to have an autocreated webpage that builds the last 5 sites (or so) each student has visited and reloads every min or two. Ideas on how to build these tools? The banner idea, is there a way to force all squid access through a frame or even better really add the html to each page? When you use a service like anonymizer.com it must rewrite the pages to send all links back through it.... The added bonus to the banner method would be every page printed would also have who printed, where, and when and could not be turned off. The auto created webpage, not sure. It would almost be a feed that watches the end of the access.log file, keeping only the machines that match the lab in question and spitting out a webpage every X min. Thinking out loud I guess and looking for ideas and tools on how to do either. Thanks as always, Scott -- -- Scott Sherrill Technology Coordinator Hancock Public Schools Hancock, MI http://www.hancock.k12.mi.us From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 11:14:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 11:14:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS backup In-Reply-To: <404600BB.7010509@chartermi.net> References: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> <404600BB.7010509@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <1078330287.13016.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:58, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > > I would look at Rsync to do your backups: > > > > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABackups%3Arsync > > And for a cool "packaged" solution that impliments the above for you, > check out > > http://www.rsnapshot.org/ I haven't compared it to rsnapshot, but I really like: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ It compresses backups and links duplicates to greatly increase the number of runs you can keep on-line and gives you a nice web interface to access them. It can use either tar or rsync and works with unix/linux or windows targets. The server must be unix/linux with a filesystem that supports hard links. You'll probably want a fairly fast PC to mount the NAS with NFSv3 semantics to do the work but it is mostly done at night so a desktop running Linux works fine. There is a fairly active mailing list if you have any problems. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource,com From grant.mcinnes at utoronto.ca Wed Mar 3 11:44:02 2004 From: grant.mcinnes at utoronto.ca (Grant McInnes) Date: Wed Mar 3 11:44:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <20040303160813.8784.39772.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040303160813.8784.39772.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1078332522.3267.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I want > it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > > Thanks guys > Kevin > You could also try rdiff-backup http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ which has the advantage that its included in the K12 distro. Uses the rsync library to do snapshots, and a breeze to set up. -g From grant.mcinnes at utoronto.ca Wed Mar 3 11:51:04 2004 From: grant.mcinnes at utoronto.ca (Grant McInnes) Date: Wed Mar 3 11:51:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [K21OSN] importing and exporting student lists In-Reply-To: <20040303012309.32586.98897.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040303012309.32586.98897.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1078332951.3267.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Message: 1 > From: "Kevin Boone" > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] importing and exporting student lists > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:07:54 -0500 > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > for logins...I want to create an export file of the users on the k12ltsp > server to import on redhat 8.0 and redhat 9.0 machines. Maybe I'm still misunderstanding what you need, but if its just to sync users (uid/gid/passwd) between machines, you could try using yp (NIS) rather than LDAP. That would save you having to have users reenter their passwds. It's a good bit easier to set up. I can give you a hand if you're interested. From jbraumberger at earthlink.net Wed Mar 3 12:18:20 2004 From: jbraumberger at earthlink.net (Jeff Braumberger) Date: Wed Mar 3 12:18:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy server can't connect Message-ID: <000001c40143$dbf54f20$0301a8c0@ella> Here's what I'm getting. ldconfig: can't open config file /etc/ld/so.conf. no such directory ldconfig: can't create temp cache file /opt/lstp/386/etc/ld.so.cache~: no such file or directory. Any thoughts ******************************** Jeff Braumberger 574 Glendale Blvd Mansfield, Oh 44907 jbraumberger at earthlink.net ******************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin at ross.kunaschools.org Wed Mar 3 12:47:39 2004 From: kevin at ross.kunaschools.org (Kevin Christensen) Date: Wed Mar 3 12:47:39 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <1078332522.3267.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000001c40147$b94996d0$0460050a@ksd2045> I will look at all these links, one thing I forgot to mention is they are Novell servers. But I thought I could mount the server or some thing. Any ideas? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Grant McInnes Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:49 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup > > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I want > it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > > Thanks guys > Kevin > You could also try rdiff-backup http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ which has the advantage that its included in the K12 distro. Uses the rsync library to do snapshots, and a breeze to set up. -g _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 3 13:13:26 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Mar 3 13:13:26 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <4045F800.5090201@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <000801c4014b$86d30d90$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> I thought I would quick give you guys an idea of what I was thinking with the DVD distribution from the server. Right now our campus has a Dynacom/Safari Video Distribution system running from a head end with fiber to all classrooms. Our workstations in the classroom have projectors hooked up with a program on each machine called Mac/Win Remote. The head end has 6 DVD players and 30 VCR's along with some 12 cable tuners a couple digital radio recievers and so on. The teachers are able to select any input from the head end display it remotely on their projectors in the classroom or just simply listen to the radio feeds. Movies are dropped off in a box in the morning and I program them up for access for whatever duration they want. This is a pretty cool way to share a few resources from a central location to our buildings around campus and on the other end of town. Downside is the system was installed with a Grant for about $500,000 in 1996 and is starting to fail without money to fix it. I thought this idea was a good start to figuring out how Linux could be used to provide a lower dollar solution to K12 or even Colleges. I am not really thinking of using this locally in the same lab but more for a campus wide distribution (otherwise a local projector would be far better than sending to clients). I don't know if you could build a box with multiple source inputs and let users select from them through a terminal and display them remotely or not with some sort of gui with dropdowns. It just got the wheels turning. Someone with far more knowledge than myself could probably make pretty good money if they could package such a system. Just figured I should fill you in on my madness :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Richard K. Ingalls Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:22 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 23:10, Les Bell wrote: > > >>I've been having quite good results with Ogle; I didn't do anything >>special about DeCSS, so it must have been one of the standard packages >>I grabbed to install it. See http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/ >>(Oh, yeah - I see the reference to libdvdcss on the Ogle site. No >>problem installing it, though). >> > > > The videolan client/server might be a nice fit for k12ltsp. You would > want the client running as a local app on the terminal and the > multicast mode of the server if you wanted to drive > more than a few screens. The client as a local app would > be able to play DVD/VCD/SVCD format on the desktop too. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com OK, let me chime in on this one. About a year ago I "tried" to get Ogle to work on the server but didn't have success. Now I realize it was probably the DeCSS library... BUT, on to my question... How can I make it so that the teacher can use the DVD drive on the server to show movies to her class? She will have access to an LCD projector, so I'll just attach the projector to the server and display it from there. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.602 / Virus Database: 383 - Release Date: 3/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.610 / Virus Database: 390 - Release Date: 3/3/2004 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 3 13:26:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 3 13:26:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] STRUT Message-ID: <4252.170.211.161.150.1078338495.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Is this still in effect?: http://k12ltsp.org/application.htm -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Wed Mar 3 13:44:01 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Wed Mar 3 13:44:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup Message-ID: <04Mar3.193435cet.87073@fw01.solleftea.se> Hello! You just have to use ncpfs to mount the netware servers. Its stable and works real well so there shouldnt be any problems. /cheers ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: "Kevin Christensen" Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:48:22 -0700 Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NAS Backup > I will look at all these links, one thing I forgot to mention is they > are Novell servers. But I thought I could mount the server or some > thing. Any ideas? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Grant McInnes > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:49 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup > > > > > > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I > want > > it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > > > > Thanks guys > > Kevin > > > > > > You could also try rdiff-backup http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ > which > has the advantage that its included in the K12 distro. > > Uses the rsync library to do snapshots, and a breeze to set up. > > -g > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Mar 3 13:44:05 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed Mar 3 13:44:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] STRUT In-Reply-To: <4252.170.211.161.150.1078338495.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <4252.170.211.161.150.1078338495.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1078339565.7077.37.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 10:28, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Is this still in effect?: > > http://k12ltsp.org/application.htm STRuT is, very unfortunately, no more. I am sure that application is no longer usable. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From dalen at czexan.net Wed Mar 3 13:54:02 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed Mar 3 13:54:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40462A3A.9090308@czexan.net> Santiago, Nicholas wrote: >Hi all, > >Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people >on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. > >At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server >for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and >taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. > >Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, >or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? > >Please advise. > >Thanks >Nick > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Nicholas, SME server uses horde/imp for webmail (see http://www.horde.org/ ). Kronolith is a calendar under the horde framework. I haven't used it myself, but I recall reading that it does work. You might try asking in the experienced user forum on contribs.org (the new home for SME server). Thanks, Dale From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 14:00:06 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:00:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <000801c4014b$86d30d90$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <000801c4014b$86d30d90$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078340309.13016.84.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 12:15, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I thought this idea was a good start to figuring out how Linux could be > used to provide a lower dollar solution to K12 or even Colleges. I am > not really thinking of using this locally in the same lab but more for a > campus wide distribution (otherwise a local projector would be far > better than sending to clients). I don't know if you could build a box > with multiple source inputs and let users select from them through a > terminal and display them remotely or not with some sort of gui with > dropdowns. It just got the wheels turning. Someone with far more > knowledge than myself could probably make pretty good money if they > could package such a system. Videolan has already done it: http://www.videolan.org/ and any lan set up for k12ltsp should already have enough bandwidth if the vlc client runs as a local app on the terminal and items with multiple watchers are streamed as multicast from a server. It does take a pretty good workstation to display full screen video - probably in the PIII 800+ range. I'd try two different approaches. One would be for the one-off viewers where you just copy the data onto a big file server. The legal issues are going to be more complicated here than the technical ones or even the price. There are programs around that will copy DVD's into disk files and VLC or some other viewers will play them nicely. There are VLC clients for windows/mac/linux so if you toss a few hundred gigs of disk on a samba server and add appropriate media files, that part is done - but keep in mind that anyone who can view the files can also copy them. The other approach is for streaming sources and things that many terminals watch at once. For those you need to set up the VideoLan server and use multicast to conserve bandwidth but the same client would be used to view it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 14:42:08 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:42:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078343038.11936.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 08:38, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all, > > Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people > on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. > > At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server > for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and > taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. > > Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, > or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? After reading this thread, I decided to install mozilla calendar and configure my Apache to do https webdav. Suffice to say, it works very well - I'm stoked.. Careful use of google will reveal all, as usual.. /steve From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 14:48:03 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 14:48:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] drives - technical was: Just got approval In-Reply-To: <1078324482.12009.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1078324482.12009.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1078343368.11936.8.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 03:34, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > Not only that I've seen some results that support that SCSI drives simply > > are built to last longer. [....] > > That was probably the case a few years ago, but now I think > nearly all manufacturers take exactly the same mechanical > parts and slap on a different logic board. There is still > the bottleneck with head position and since IDE is cheaper > you'll probably buy bigger drives that make this even worse. Somehow, I thought the opposite was the case - larger drives means greater data density means quicker head positioning (drive has to move head zz degrees - actually spans more data on a larger drive.) > Anyway, for most multiuser purposes you should max out > the RAM before considering spending more on the disk > controller and drives. Les speaks the truth. ;-) /sw From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 15:01:04 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:01:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <000801c4014b$86d30d90$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <000801c4014b$86d30d90$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078344162.11936.20.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 07:15, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I thought I would quick give you guys an idea of what I was thinking > with the DVD distribution from the server. Right now our campus has a > Dynacom/Safari Video Distribution system running from a head end with > fiber to all classrooms. Our workstations in the classroom have > projectors hooked up with a program on each machine called Mac/Win > Remote. The head end has 6 DVD players and 30 VCR's along with some 12 > cable tuners a couple digital radio recievers and so on. The teachers > are able to select any input from the head end display it remotely on > their projectors in the classroom or just simply listen to the radio > feeds. Movies are dropped off in a box in the morning and I program > them up for access for whatever duration they want. This is a pretty > cool way to share a few resources from a central location to our > buildings around campus and on the other end of town. Downside is the > system was installed with a Grant for about $500,000 in 1996 and is > starting to fail without money to fix it. MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV is a client-server system that plays DVDs, VCDs, (etc, other video), Television, Music CDs, and is a Video Recorder (can record programs of Television.) You can assemble a number of DVD drives and TV Tuner cards in a "server" and run "mythbackend" and then run the very tidy GUI "mythfrontend" elsewhere. This frontend is a completely integrated menu-driven system that is basically a complete multimedia home-entertainment package. You can also use diskless VIA EPIA M1000's to build remote dhcpd/tftp-booting clients viz LTSP if you would like a dedicated unit. > I thought this idea was a good start to figuring out how Linux could be > used to provide a lower dollar solution to K12 or even Colleges. I am > not really thinking of using this locally in the same lab but more for a > campus wide distribution (otherwise a local projector would be far > better than sending to clients). I don't know if you could build a box > with multiple source inputs and let users select from them through a > terminal and display them remotely or not with some sort of gui with > dropdowns. It just got the wheels turning. Someone with far more > knowledge than myself could probably make pretty good money if they > could package such a system. It's already done. http://mythtv.org/ From dalen at czexan.net Wed Mar 3 15:07:00 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:07:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT linux utility to run command on many systems simultaneously Message-ID: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> I seem to recall reading about a linux utility that can run a command on many machines at once, but I can't remember the name. Does anyone know of a utility like this? There are many times that I need to run the same command on many machines. For example, say I want to add a new user "joe" to machine moe larry and curly. I would then run "some_util adduser joe" and the user would be added to all machines listed in a config file via ssh. Thanks, Dale From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 15:07:07 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:07:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS backup In-Reply-To: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <1078344528.11936.26.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 03:33, Kevin Christensen wrote: > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I > want it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. mondo will make ISOs that you can boot and restore to cold new steel. /sw From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed Mar 3 15:11:01 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:11:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT linux utility to run command on many systems simultaneously In-Reply-To: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> References: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> Message-ID: <40463C26.5080301@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> dalen wrote: > I seem to recall reading about a linux utility that can run a command on > many machines at once, but I can't remember the name. Does anyone know > of a utility like this? There are many times that I need to run the > same command on many machines. For example, say I want to add a new > user "joe" to machine moe larry and curly. I would then run "some_util > adduser joe" and the user would be added to all machines listed in a > config file via ssh. for i in server1 server2 server 3 server4; do ssh $i -c adduser joe; done I think that would do ya. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From dean at mumby.co.za Wed Mar 3 15:14:04 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:14:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: <1078343038.11936.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078343038.11936.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <40463CEA.5060204@mumby.co.za> Now all we need it an easy way to share contacts Dean Steve Wright wrote: >On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 08:38, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >>Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people >>on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. >> >>At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server >>for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and >>taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. >> >>Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, >>or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? >> >> > > >After reading this thread, I decided to install mozilla calendar and >configure my Apache to do https webdav. Suffice to say, it works very >well - I'm stoked.. > >Careful use of google will reveal all, as usual.. > > >/steve > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Mar 3 15:16:01 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:16:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT linux utility to run command on many systems simultaneously In-Reply-To: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> References: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> Message-ID: <40463D74.4050409@chartermi.net> dalen wrote: > I seem to recall reading about a linux utility that can run a command on > many machines at once, but I can't remember the name. Does anyone know > of a utility like this? There are many times that I need to run the > same command on many machines. For example, say I want to add a new > user "joe" to machine moe larry and curly. I would then run "some_util > adduser joe" and the user would be added to all machines listed in a > config file via ssh. I haven't tried it yet, but look at this. http://www.stearns.org/fanout/README.html#fanterm I've seen another program that's very similar, but I can't find it again yet. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 3 15:16:06 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:16:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078344162.11936.20.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <000901c4015c$b27b2390$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> I am assuming I should take your point based off of the repetitive pasting :-) I will check it out. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wright Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 2:03 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 07:15, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I thought I would quick give you guys an idea of what I was thinking > with the DVD distribution from the server. Right now our campus has a > Dynacom/Safari Video Distribution system running from a head end with > fiber to all classrooms. Our workstations in the classroom have > projectors hooked up with a program on each machine called Mac/Win > Remote. The head end has 6 DVD players and 30 VCR's along with some > 12 cable tuners a couple digital radio recievers and so on. The > teachers are able to select any input from the head end display it > remotely on their projectors in the classroom or just simply listen to > the radio feeds. Movies are dropped off in a box in the morning and I > program them up for access for whatever duration they want. This is a > pretty cool way to share a few resources from a central location to > our buildings around campus and on the other end of town. Downside is > the system was installed with a Grant for about $500,000 in 1996 and > is starting to fail without money to fix it. MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV is a client-server system that plays DVDs, VCDs, (etc, other video), Television, Music CDs, and is a Video Recorder (can record programs of Television.) You can assemble a number of DVD drives and TV Tuner cards in a "server" and run "mythbackend" and then run the very tidy GUI "mythfrontend" elsewhere. This frontend is a completely integrated menu-driven system that is basically a complete multimedia home-entertainment package. You can also use diskless VIA EPIA M1000's to build remote dhcpd/tftp-booting clients viz LTSP if you would like a dedicated unit. > I thought this idea was a good start to figuring out how Linux could > be used to provide a lower dollar solution to K12 or even Colleges. I > am not really thinking of using this locally in the same lab but more > for a campus wide distribution (otherwise a local projector would be > far better than sending to clients). I don't know if you could build > a box with multiple source inputs and let users select from them > through a terminal and display them remotely or not with some sort of > gui with dropdowns. It just got the wheels turning. Someone with far > more knowledge than myself could probably make pretty good money if > they could package such a system. It's already done. http://mythtv.org/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.610 / Virus Database: 390 - Release Date: 3/3/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.610 / Virus Database: 390 - Release Date: 3/3/2004 From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 15:17:05 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:17:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078345128.11936.36.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 05:10, Scott Sherrill wrote: > Once in awhile, students will share their accounts with their > friends. If for example Johnny loses his privileges he will borrow > Sally's account and surf as her. I would make it clear that intentionally subverting any access mechanism would result in *instant* and *permanent* account termination for *all* concerned - and *then* see if Sally would so keenly offer her account for illicit purposes (illicit because there is probably good reason that Johnnys' account was revoked.) Kids need to be aware that ; 1.) they are monitored 2.) abusers get their account zapped 3.) abusers will get *your* account irretrievably zapped if you loan it 4.) access is a privilege /sw From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Mar 3 15:24:03 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:24:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT linux utility to run command on many systems simultaneously In-Reply-To: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> References: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> Message-ID: <40463F6F.90604@chartermi.net> dalen wrote: > I seem to recall reading about a linux utility that can run a command on > many machines at once, but I can't remember the name. Does anyone know > of a utility like this? There are many times that I need to run the > same command on many machines. For example, say I want to add a new > user "joe" to machine moe larry and curly. I would then run "some_util > adduser joe" and the user would be added to all machines listed in a > config file via ssh. Another one I'm going to try is, http://cssh.sourceforge.net/ -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Mar 3 15:27:01 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:27:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS backup In-Reply-To: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000501c4012c$76a96be0$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <40463FE9.3030406@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Kevin Christensen wrote: > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I want > it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > > > > Thanks guys > > Kevin > I remember seeing something about this on the wiki. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Mar 3 15:28:04 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:28:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... In-Reply-To: <1078345128.11936.36.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078345128.11936.36.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: >On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 05:10, Scott Sherrill wrote: > >> Once in awhile, students will share their accounts with their >> friends. If for example Johnny loses his privileges he will borrow >> Sally's account and surf as her. > > >I would make it clear that intentionally subverting any access >mechanism would result in *instant* and *permanent* account termination >for *all* concerned - and *then* see if Sally would so keenly offer her >account for illicit purposes (illicit because there is probably good >reason that Johnnys' account was revoked.) > >Kids need to be aware that ; > >1.) they are monitored >2.) abusers get their account zapped >3.) abusers will get *your* account irretrievably zapped if you loan it >4.) access is a privilege > I agree with you 100% Steve, but the only way they are currently getting caught is if I am actively looking. That's why I'd like to give classroom teachers more tools to look for that abuse. I did some further looking and it doesn't look like the banner idea is going to float. There are very few references out there for that solution using Squid and an auto-added banner. Scott From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 15:36:03 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:36:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <000901c4015c$b27b2390$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> References: <000901c4015c$b27b2390$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078346243.11936.42.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 09:18, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am assuming I should take your point based off of the repetitive > pasting :-) I will check it out. Thanks 8-) please excuse my passion.. I just love mythtv.. 8-) /steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Steve Wright > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 2:03 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum > > > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 07:15, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I thought I would quick give you guys an idea of what I was thinking > > with the DVD distribution from the server. Right now our campus has a > > > Dynacom/Safari Video Distribution system running from a head end with > > fiber to all classrooms. Our workstations in the classroom have > > projectors hooked up with a program on each machine called Mac/Win > > Remote. The head end has 6 DVD players and 30 VCR's along with some > > 12 cable tuners a couple digital radio recievers and so on. The > > teachers are able to select any input from the head end display it > > remotely on their projectors in the classroom or just simply listen to > > > the radio feeds. Movies are dropped off in a box in the morning and I > > > program them up for access for whatever duration they want. This is a > > > pretty cool way to share a few resources from a central location to > > our buildings around campus and on the other end of town. Downside is > > > the system was installed with a Grant for about $500,000 in 1996 and > > is starting to fail without money to fix it. > > MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! MythTV!! > > MythTV is a client-server system that plays DVDs, VCDs, (etc, other > video), Television, Music CDs, and is a Video Recorder (can record > programs of Television.) > > You can assemble a number of DVD drives and TV Tuner cards in a "server" > and run "mythbackend" and then run the very tidy GUI "mythfrontend" > elsewhere. This frontend is a completely integrated menu-driven system > that is basically a complete multimedia home-entertainment package. > > You can also use diskless VIA EPIA M1000's to build remote > dhcpd/tftp-booting clients viz LTSP if you would like a dedicated unit. > > > > I thought this idea was a good start to figuring out how Linux could > > be used to provide a lower dollar solution to K12 or even Colleges. I > > > am not really thinking of using this locally in the same lab but more > > for a campus wide distribution (otherwise a local projector would be > > far better than sending to clients). I don't know if you could build > > a box with multiple source inputs and let users select from them > > through a terminal and display them remotely or not with some sort of > > gui with dropdowns. It just got the wheels turning. Someone with far > > > more knowledge than myself could probably make pretty good money if > > they could package such a system. > > It's already done. http://mythtv.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.610 / Virus Database: 390 - Release Date: 3/3/2004 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.610 / Virus Database: 390 - Release Date: 3/3/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Mar 3 15:37:02 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:37:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40464279.4050007@chartermi.net> Scott Sherrill wrote: > I've come up with two ideas, one is to put a banner on top of each page > visited that says who is currently logged in according to squid. That > way a teacher could easily see if the userid being used matches the > student sitting at the station. > > The banner idea, is there a way to force all squid access through a > frame or even better really add the html to each page? > > The added bonus to the banner method would be every page printed would > also have who printed, where, and when and could not be turned off. At the moment, I have no ideas how to help-sorry Scott, but I really like the banner idea for all the reasons you've listed. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From k12ltsp at hermon.net Wed Mar 3 15:52:01 2004 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Auto-Login Doesn't Work Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >Are you using GDM on the server now for all the terminals? Changing to >KDM is a global change (using step above)....I prefer KDM, but am forced >to use GDM due to a video issue on some older video cards....hope to >replace them in a bit and solve that issue....how's things in Hermon? I'm >in Vassalboro......Maine..... Hi! Thanks for the help! I have some success now. However, for some reason, when I add the autologin entry for each terminal in the kdmrc file, it doesn't always work. I can 't find a pattern to find out why. Sometimes, when I boot Terminal A, it will log into the account automatically, later on.. Terminal A won't login automatically, but Terminal B will... Has anyone experienced this problem? Anyhow, as an alternative, I added a few extra entries to the kdmrc file: [X-ws232:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLoginUser=room8b NoPassEnable=true NoPassUsers=room8b [X-ws232:0-Greeter] PreselectUser=Default DefaultUser=room8b I added the commands as displayed above. This setup will make the greeter automatically fill in the user account that I specify in the login screen. It will also not require a password anymore for the user account. This way, for the kindergarten students, they don't have to type in the login and password! The entries above at least make it possible to log in easier for the students if at the time, the terminal doesn't log in automatically (as it is supposed to). Thank for your help so far! I wouldn't have gotten this far without it! From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Mar 3 15:53:03 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:53:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] forcing IceWM on RedHat 8? Message-ID: <4046461F.7030504@glenwood.k12.mo.us> I saw the wiki about forcing IceWM on Fedora. Is there anything I need to do that is different for RedHat 8? (K12LTSP v. 3.0.0)? -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 3 15:54:31 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 3 15:54:31 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Migration Message-ID: <4798.170.211.161.150.1078347400.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Ok, I've done NT > Samba migrations and Novell > Samba migrations. Just never done a Samba > Samba migration =). We currently have Samba 3.0.2a running on Redhat 8 (with some forced libraries). 2 36 gig scsi drives. I've got an additional 36 gig drive I'm goin to use to play around with spring break to do a test migration. Anyway here are my desired results: 3 36 gig drives striped with WBEL installed with Samba services. I've never done a samba to samba migration. Any tips on migrating the home directories? Is there anything else I need to transfer other than /etc/samba and var/lib/samba? (I don't have a /var/cache/samba) and the unix users and groups of course. I've had a million things running at once and I want some fresh minds to look at this =) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jim at rossberry.com Wed Mar 3 16:03:03 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed Mar 3 16:03:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... In-Reply-To: <40464279.4050007@chartermi.net> References: <40464279.4050007@chartermi.net> Message-ID: can you use the redirect/rewrite functionality of SquidGuard? It runs in my mind that it works even on 'accepted' pages. On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > I've come up with two ideas, one is to put a banner on top of each page > > visited that says who is currently logged in according to squid. That > > way a teacher could easily see if the userid being used matches the > > student sitting at the station. > > > > The banner idea, is there a way to force all squid access through a > > frame or even better really add the html to each page? > > > > The added bonus to the banner method would be every page printed would > > also have who printed, where, and when and could not be turned off. > > At the moment, I have no ideas how to help-sorry Scott, but I really > like the banner idea for all the reasons you've listed. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From jim at rossberry.com Wed Mar 3 16:06:06 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed Mar 3 16:06:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT linux utility to run command on many systems simultaneously In-Reply-To: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> References: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, dalen wrote: > I seem to recall reading about a linux utility that can run a command on > many machines at once, but I can't remember the name. Does anyone know > of a utility like this? There are many times that I need to run the > same command on many machines. For example, say I want to add a new > user "joe" to machine moe larry and curly. I would then run "some_util > adduser joe" and the user would be added to all machines listed in a > config file via ssh. > > Thanks, > > Dale > I've used pconsole alot. There is also clusterssh that I have not used. Check on freshmeat. Both require X on the invoking box. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Wed Mar 3 16:42:08 2004 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Wed Mar 3 16:42:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... In-Reply-To: <40464279.4050007@chartermi.net> References: <40464279.4050007@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <1078350342.404652060c533@ehle.homelinux.org> The tech folks at Grand Rapids Public Library in Michigan have cooked up a scheme that meters internet access and they have configured squid and apache and perl to put the time a patron has left in the titlebar on the browser. They have packaged the system up for download- look at http://www.grpl.org/ism/ Hope this helps - Mark Ehle Computer Support Libraian Willard Public Library Battle Creek, Mi Quoting Eric Feldhusen : > Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > I've come up with two ideas, one is to put a banner on top of each page > > visited that says who is currently logged in according to squid. That > > way a teacher could easily see if the userid being used matches the > > student sitting at the station. > > > > The banner idea, is there a way to force all squid access through a > > frame or even better really add the html to each page? > > > > The added bonus to the banner method would be every page printed would > > also have who printed, where, and when and could not be turned off. > > At the moment, I have no ideas how to help-sorry Scott, but I really > like the banner idea for all the reasons you've listed. > > -- > Eric Feldhusen > Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, > Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and > Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools > emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 16:49:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 16:49:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Migration In-Reply-To: <4798.170.211.161.150.1078347400.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <4798.170.211.161.150.1078347400.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1078350392.13016.128.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:56, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I've never done a samba to samba migration. Any tips on migrating the home > directories? Is there anything else I need to transfer other than /etc/samba > and var/lib/samba? (I don't have a /var/cache/samba) and the unix users and > groups of course. I've had a million things running at once and I want some > fresh minds to look at this =) If you are starting with a new machine and not moving to NIS/LDAP or some central authentication method you can edit the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files directly, copying all of the normal user entries (about uid 500) over and adding them to the system entries that will already be there. That will keep their old passwords and uid/gid settings intact. Then if you want to take all the home directories over, as root on the old box: cd /home rsync -essh -av . newbox:/home (be sure there isn't anything already in the new /home that you will overwrite). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 16:53:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 16:53:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078346243.11936.42.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <000901c4015c$b27b2390$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> <1078346243.11936.42.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078350668.13016.133.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:37, Steve Wright wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 09:18, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I am assuming I should take your point based off of the repetitive > > pasting :-) I will check it out. Thanks > > 8-) please excuse my passion.. I just love mythtv.. 8-) > It seems to be evolving rapidly, but videolan has been around longer and is already multiplatform. I've only used the vlc client (which oddly enough can act as a server in some cases too). Have you done any comparisons? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Wed Mar 3 17:39:02 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (EDULIX) Date: Wed Mar 3 17:39:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with a kernel, new to the list :) Message-ID: <10812561.1078353368485.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hi people, My Presentation: I'm Eduardo Robles Elvira, aka Edulix, and I'm installing a K12LTSP 4.0 system in the Official Language School (O.L.S. among you and me) of Chiclana, in the south of Spain (near Gibraltar, we're South of Europe!), where the goverment wants Linux, and encourage to every one to be at least linux-compatible and specially to official entities. In the OLS they thought that the best way was to use linux. I'm only a young student of 4? level of English there, and they've purpposed to me to migrate them linux, and I'll be paid as the teacher of a course of Linux that the goverment financed by the Andalusia's government (the OLS people apparently can't spent $$ on me directly, they don't have a shit). The problem: I'm testing and learning at home what exactly to do in the OLS, using 2 pcs of mine, a server and a terminal. I've been able to boot the terminal, which is a Dell Inspiron 4150 laptop sucessfully with KDE 3.2 (I've installed it) and sound (NAS, thanks to mistik1 in the #ltsp irc.freenode.net chanel, as far as I can remember), and used the lpp kernel. The only other big thing I _really_ need in order to install the real server in the OLS is to access to local (terminal) CDROM drive, in the terminal, of course. Luckily, in #ltsp, frame (thanks!) told me that he is developing a tutorial to use supermount and usbmgr in order to access to local drives. Here it's the link ttp://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz with the howto and some needed files. I've adapted the howto to my purposes, so I've omited all about usbmgr (I don't need access to local usb devices, only to local CDROM and perhaps local HD). I haven't compiled the terminals kernel, since the tar file comes with the one necessary, so I've put it and the modules in their respectives locations, of course.. Then, all seems to be right, damn right. I boot the laptop via pxe. The kernel image is downloaded by network and... then I get a "funny" screen, full of strange colored characters, some of them blinking. If I try to reboot, exactly the same screen, the same characters, with the same colors and background colors in the same position are displayed! I don't know what could be the problem. Maybe it's the harware or soemthing ? should I watch at some log (don't know which) or something ? Please, help me :). Regards and apologise my bad english, Edulix. From dalen at czexan.net Wed Mar 3 18:10:03 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed Mar 3 18:10:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OT linux utility to run command on many systems simultaneously In-Reply-To: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> References: <40463B41.6050400@czexan.net> Message-ID: <40466653.7050600@czexan.net> dalen wrote: > I seem to recall reading about a linux utility that can run a command > on many machines at once, but I can't remember the name. Does anyone > know of a utility like this? There are many times that I need to run > the same command on many machines. For example, say I want to add a > new user "joe" to machine moe larry and curly. I would then run > "some_util adduser joe" and the user would be added to all machines > listed in a config file via ssh. Thanks for all the replies everyone:) I'll look into cssh or the scripting that Chris mentioned. I might thumb through my old Linux Magazines as well. Thanks, Dale From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Mar 3 18:46:04 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed Mar 3 18:46:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Level One NetCelerator Gig-E boards and K12LTSP Message-ID: <404628A0.1020406@cmosnetworks.com> Hello folks, Has anyone tried using Level One NetCelerator-based Gigabit Ethernet cards with K12LTSP? If so, how did it go? Reason I ask: a friend of mine has several that he doesn't mind "loaning" me for a while for K12LTSP purposes. They use the LXT1001BC chipset. Thanks, --TP From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Mar 3 19:15:03 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed Mar 3 19:15:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <000001c40147$b94996d0$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000001c40147$b94996d0$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <1078345621.1363.8.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Kevin, What version of Netware. The solutions mentioned would back up your data. Assuming you are using NW 4.xx or greater, what about NDS / E-directory? Believe me, even a single server, 500 NDS schema is a pain to rebuild by hand. Personal experience from many moons ago taught me this one. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 06:48, Kevin Christensen wrote: > I will look at all these links, one thing I forgot to mention is they > are Novell servers. But I thought I could mount the server or some > thing. Any ideas? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Grant McInnes > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:49 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup > > > > > > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I > want > > it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > > > > Thanks guys > > Kevin > > > > > > You could also try rdiff-backup http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ which > has the advantage that its included in the K12 distro. > > Uses the rsync library to do snapshots, and a breeze to set up. > > -g > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From haysja at sages.us Wed Mar 3 19:41:01 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed Mar 3 19:41:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with a kernel, new to the list :) In-Reply-To: <10812561.1078353368485.JavaMail.oracle@linares> References: <10812561.1078353368485.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Message-ID: <40467C23.6030408@sages.us> This looks like a video setting problem in the lts.conf file. Try this: Edit your /etc/dhcdp.conf file and add a record for your client computer. Assign an IP number and a host name to the Mac address for your client. Then edit /opt/lstp/i386/etc/lts.conf (I think that is it. I am away from my installation and am doing this from memory.) Add a record for that client host. Include these line in your record: [ws001] X_MODE_0 = 640x480 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 +hsync +vsync X_MODE_1 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync X_MODE_2 = 1024x768 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 interlace (This assumes that you named the host [ws001] in your dhcpd.conf file.) You need to add the record in dhcpd.conf file so you can know exactly which client gets the host name. Then you add the record in lts.conf to make sure the video settings are assigned to the correct host. Good luck and don't give up. It will work. EDULIX wrote: >Hi people, > >My Presentation: > >I'm Eduardo Robles Elvira, aka Edulix, and I'm installing a K12LTSP 4.0 system in the Official Language School (O.L.S. among you and me) of Chiclana, in the south of Spain (near Gibraltar, we're South of Europe!), where the goverment wants Linux, and encourage to every one to be at least linux-compatible and specially to official entities. In the OLS they thought that the best way was to use linux. > >I'm only a young student of 4? level of English there, and they've purpposed to me to migrate them linux, and I'll be paid as the teacher of a course of Linux that the goverment financed by the Andalusia's government (the OLS people apparently can't spent $$ on me directly, they don't have a shit). > >The problem: > >I'm testing and learning at home what exactly to do in the OLS, using 2 pcs of mine, a server and a terminal. > >I've been able to boot the terminal, which is a Dell Inspiron 4150 laptop sucessfully with KDE 3.2 (I've installed it) and sound (NAS, thanks to mistik1 in the #ltsp irc.freenode.net chanel, as far as I can remember), and used the lpp kernel. > >The only other big thing I _really_ need in order to install the real server in the OLS is to access to local (terminal) CDROM drive, in the terminal, of course. > >Luckily, in #ltsp, frame (thanks!) told me that he is developing a tutorial to use supermount and usbmgr in order to access to local drives. > >Here it's the link ttp://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz >with the howto and some needed files. > >I've adapted the howto to my purposes, so I've omited all about usbmgr (I don't need access to local usb devices, only to local CDROM and perhaps local HD). I haven't compiled the terminals kernel, since the tar file comes with the one necessary, so I've put it and the modules in their respectives locations, of course.. > >Then, all seems to be right, damn right. I boot the laptop via pxe. The kernel image is downloaded by network and... then I get a "funny" screen, full of strange colored characters, some of them blinking. If I try to reboot, exactly the same screen, the same characters, with the same colors and background colors in the same position are displayed! > >I don't know what could be the problem. Maybe it's the harware or soemthing ? should I watch at some log (don't know which) or something ? Please, help me :). > > >Regards and apologise my bad english, > Edulix. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Mar 3 20:43:18 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed Mar 3 20:43:18 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Level One NetCelerator Gig-E boards and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <404628A0.1020406@cmosnetworks.com> References: <404628A0.1020406@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1078364689.7273.17.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> > Has anyone tried using Level One NetCelerator-based Gigabit Ethernet > cards with K12LTSP? If so, how did it go? Reason I ask: a friend of > mine has several that he doesn't mind "loaning" me for a while for > K12LTSP purposes. They use the LXT1001BC chipset. A couple of things. There is very little info out there but I found this: 1) The vendor provided driver in not included in the Linux kernel 2) There is no etherboot support at present. Likely it will be more trouble to you than its worth. Tim From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Wed Mar 3 20:55:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Wed Mar 3 20:55:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078350668.13016.133.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000901c4015c$b27b2390$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> <1078346243.11936.42.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078350668.13016.133.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1078365375.14328.1.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 10:51, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 14:37, Steve Wright wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 09:18, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > I am assuming I should take your point based off of the repetitive > > > pasting :-) I will check it out. Thanks > > > > 8-) please excuse my passion.. I just love mythtv.. 8-) > > > > It seems to be evolving rapidly, but videolan has been around > longer and is already multiplatform. I've only used the vlc > client (which oddly enough can act as a server in some cases > too). Have you done any comparisons? no comparisons. I tried to install videolan but it appears to be a lot of work. MythTV is a lot of work, but I found it apt'yfied on atrpms, so.. 8-) /steve From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 3 20:56:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed Mar 3 20:56:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Auto-Login Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I'm wondering is if there is a way to add a delay....here's the idea....I'd like to have my lab terminals log in automatically so the kindergarten kids can use the terminals BUT I'd also like the other kids to be able to log the terminal off and log in as themselves.....whaddya' think....how do we put in a delay that will auto-login after "x" number of seconds only if you don't log in as someone else. Any thoughts? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 k12osn at redhat.com writes: >k12osn at redhat.com writes: >>Are you using GDM on the server now for all the terminals? Changing to >>KDM is a global change (using step above)....I prefer KDM, but am forced >>to use GDM due to a video issue on some older video cards....hope to >>replace them in a bit and solve that issue....how's things in Hermon? >I'm >>in Vassalboro......Maine..... > > >Hi! Thanks for the help! I have some success now. However, for some >reason, when I add the autologin entry for each terminal in the kdmrc >file, it doesn't always work. I can 't find a pattern to find out why. >Sometimes, when I boot Terminal A, it will log into the account >automatically, later on.. Terminal A won't login automatically, but >Terminal B will... > >Has anyone experienced this problem? > >Anyhow, as an alternative, I added a few extra entries to the kdmrc file: > >[X-ws232:0-Core] >AutoLoginEnable=true >AutoLoginUser=room8b >NoPassEnable=true >NoPassUsers=room8b > >[X-ws232:0-Greeter] >PreselectUser=Default >DefaultUser=room8b > >I added the commands as displayed above. This setup will make the greeter >automatically fill in the user account that I specify in the login screen. >It will also not require a password anymore for the user account. This >way, for the kindergarten students, they don't have to type in the login >and password! > >The entries above at least make it possible to log in easier for the >students if at the time, the terminal doesn't log in automatically (as it >is supposed to). > >Thank for your help so far! I wouldn't have gotten this far without it! From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 21:58:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 21:58:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078365375.14328.1.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <000901c4015c$b27b2390$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> <1078346243.11936.42.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078350668.13016.133.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1078365375.14328.1.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078369190.13237.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 19:56, Steve Wright wrote: > > no comparisons. I tried to install videolan but it appears to be a lot > of work. MythTV is a lot of work, but I found it apt'yfied on atrpms, > so.. 8-) > Videolan client, xine, totem, and mplayer are on freshrpms.net. The vlc binary tar file here: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-redhat.html is really a set of RPMs for RH9/fedora, so no trouble to install. If you need the Videolan server you will probably have to compile it,but the client program can act as a server for some things. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 3 22:01:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 3 22:01:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Migration In-Reply-To: <1078350392.13016.128.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4798.170.211.161.150.1078347400.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1078350392.13016.128.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1118.66.138.175.56.1078369391.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Les Mikesell said: > rsync -essh -av . newbox:/home > (be sure there isn't anything already in the new /home that you > will overwrite). Thanks Les. Will this preserve the permissions as well? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From dloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Mar 3 22:06:01 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed Mar 3 22:06:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Streaming DVD using VLS/VLC In-Reply-To: <20040304015601.25934.71802.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040304015601.25934.71802.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1078369701.1545.9.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> RE: Using vls/vlc to stream video over the lan One advantage of vlc is that it can capture the video/audio stream from a playing dvd and write it to a single mpeg file. You loose chapters and other advantages of the regular dvd format, but they are easy to stream using vls or vlc in server mode. For short instructional videos it could be a real advantage, for all files could be stored on a server and served up on-demand using vls. I have streamed video from one pc to another over the lan, but have not tried it yet on our LTSP system. Will have to try that and report back. Having never setup local aps, I will have read up on setting up vlc as a local ap on the terminals. I do not expect to run fullscreen video on a 300mHz ThinkNIC. Dan Loomis From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 3 22:21:00 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 3 22:21:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Migration In-Reply-To: <1118.66.138.175.56.1078369391.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <4798.170.211.161.150.1078347400.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> <1078350392.13016.128.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1118.66.138.175.56.1078369391.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <1078370584.13237.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 21:03, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Les Mikesell said: > > rsync -essh -av . newbox:/home > > (be sure there isn't anything already in the new /home that you > > will overwrite). > > Thanks Les. Will this preserve the permissions as well? Yes, the -a flag to rsync preserves all the attributes it can and makes it recurse through directories. I tend to use it for all remote copies even when scp might work. It is also good for a quick cut-over to a different machine because you can do one run ahead of time, them do it again at the last minute to pick up any changes and the 2nd pass will be very fast. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Mar 3 22:40:00 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed Mar 3 22:40:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Message-ID: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> Has anyone developed an openoffice presentation about K12LTSP that they would be willing to send to me so that I can run it at a Tech symposium my district is puting on 10-12 March? Between teaching, taking two on line courses and turning my schools older boxes into Linux machines I'm not sure how much time I'll have for doing something like this. Thanks in advance Pat From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 3 22:42:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed Mar 3 22:42:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation In-Reply-To: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: I have some here...have at 'em http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Mar 3 23:43:02 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed Mar 3 23:43:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation In-Reply-To: References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4046B448.8010002@elp.rr.com> Thanks! Do you have any objections to my doing a couple of mod to show the home brew/dumpster side of making linux terminals and altering the title card to add in my schools stuff? Bye Pat David Trask wrote: >I have some here...have at 'em http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Mar 3 23:57:01 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed Mar 3 23:57:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba Migration In-Reply-To: <4798.170.211.161.150.1078347400.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> References: <4798.170.211.161.150.1078347400.squirrel@redbugmail.k12.ar.us> Message-ID: <4046B785.20901@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi K12 list, There's a growing trend in this list to cross-post and bcc to the mailing list. I don't want to be a pain, but it is real bad netiquette and it messes up mailing list rules if you bcc a list. Please try to avoid this bad habit in the future. Thanks Jonathan Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Ok, I've done NT > Samba migrations and Novell > Samba migrations. Just never > done a Samba > Samba migration =). We currently have Samba 3.0.2a running on > Redhat 8 (with some forced libraries). 2 36 gig scsi drives. I've got an > additional 36 gig drive I'm goin to use to play around with spring break to do > a test migration. Anyway here are my desired results: > > 3 36 gig drives striped with WBEL installed with Samba services. > > I've never done a samba to samba migration. Any tips on migrating the home > directories? Is there anything else I need to transfer other than /etc/samba > and var/lib/samba? (I don't have a /var/cache/samba) and the unix users and > groups of course. I've had a million things running at once and I want some > fresh minds to look at this =) > From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Mar 4 00:50:01 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu Mar 4 00:50:01 2004 Subject: OT: Re: [K12OSN] Just got approval In-Reply-To: <200403022007.46562.robark@telus.net> References: <200403022007.46562.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1078379486.29178.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 09:37, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I teach C++ programming and I am VERY happy to announce I just got approval > for a K12LTSP pilot project for my lab (30 clients). I am planning on using > Anjuta for the C++ IDE Nice to know that the developer of Anjuta (who is member of our LUG) is getting fame all over the world. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 4 01:09:19 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu Mar 4 01:09:19 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] drives - technical was: Just got approval In-Reply-To: <1078343368.11936.8.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078324482.12009.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1078343368.11936.8.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078380687.14054.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 13:49, Steve Wright wrote: > > > > That was probably the case a few years ago, but now I think > > nearly all manufacturers take exactly the same mechanical > > parts and slap on a different logic board. There is still > > the bottleneck with head position and since IDE is cheaper > > you'll probably buy bigger drives that make this even worse. > > Somehow, I thought the opposite was the case - larger drives means > greater data density means quicker head positioning (drive has to move > head zz degrees - actually spans more data on a larger drive.) > That would be true if you kept the same capacity drive and made it smaller so the head moved a smaller distance. What really happens is that the drive stays the same size. Positioning might be marginally faster but it still takes about the same time edge to edge. Then, since you have about 10x the capacity you'll probably double the number of users who all want the head to be in different places at the same time. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Mar 4 04:48:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Mar 4 04:48:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Retrieve DVD Player via Yum In-Reply-To: <1078369190.13237.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <000901c4015c$b27b2390$0000fea9@winonacotter.org> <1078346243.11936.42.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078350668.13016.133.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1078365375.14328.1.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078369190.13237.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1078393783.18060.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 15:59, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 19:56, Steve Wright wrote: > > > > > no comparisons. I tried to install videolan but it appears to be a lot > > of work. MythTV is a lot of work, but I found it apt'yfied on atrpms, > > so.. 8-) > > > > Videolan client, xine, totem, and mplayer are on freshrpms.net. > > The vlc binary tar file here: > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-redhat.html > is really a set of RPMs for RH9/fedora, so no trouble to install. > If you need the Videolan server you will probably have to > compile it,but the client program can act as a server for > some things. Thanks Les. /steve From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 4 07:11:02 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu Mar 4 07:11:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation In-Reply-To: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <04030407122100.02277@newguy> i am quite sure Jim M. wouldn't mind you using some of his presentations available at ltsp.org chuck On Wed, 03 Mar 2004, you wrote: > Has anyone developed an openoffice presentation about K12LTSP that they > would be willing to send to me so that I can run it at a Tech symposium > my district is puting on 10-12 March? Between teaching, taking two on > line courses and turning my schools older boxes into Linux machines I'm > not sure how much time I'll have for doing something like this. > > Thanks in advance > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From wiz8 at mac.com Thu Mar 4 09:13:04 2004 From: wiz8 at mac.com (Paul Vittorino) Date: Thu Mar 4 09:13:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval In-Reply-To: <1078324482.12009.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4151146A-6DE6-11D8-8D5C-000393099F68@mac.com> On Wednesday, March 3, 2004, at 08:34 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 07:59, David Trask wrote: >> k12osn at redhat.com writes: >>> SATA appears to be much better that PATA, but as far as I can tell >>> fast >>> SCSI drives are still the best deal for mid-to-large terminal >>> servers. >> >> Not only that I've seen some results that support that SCSI drives >> simply >> are built to last longer. Generally speaking SCSI drives are built >> for >> server environments....hence they're meant to sit and spin a high >> speeds >> day in and day out. No denying that they're also considerably more >> expensive, but sometimes ya' gotta' weigh the "what ifs" > > That was probably the case a few years ago, but now I think > nearly all manufacturers take exactly the same mechanical > parts and slap on a different logic board. There is still > the bottleneck with head position and since IDE is cheaper > you'll probably buy bigger drives that make this even worse. > I would actually tend to agree with David here. My sole evidence is the warranty of the drives. Maxtor has a 1 year warranty for their IDE & SATA drives but a 5 year warranty on their SCSI drives. Just a thought, Paul From kevin at ross.kunaschools.org Thu Mar 4 09:18:01 2004 From: kevin at ross.kunaschools.org (Kevin Christensen) Date: Thu Mar 4 09:18:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <1078345621.1363.8.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> Hi Bert, We are running 5.1 right now but are upgrading to 6.5 this summer. We are mainly concerned about backing up user data, if we have to we would just rebuild the server from scratch but the data would be safe. We are even willing to buy a commercial product that we could get support for. Is there any out there that will do this back up from Novell to Linux? I would really like to get this to work, the more the big bosses see Linux the more they want to use it. They are toying with the idea of making two of our brand new elementary schools pure Linux terminal. Thanks everybody for all your advice it is very much appreciated! Kevin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bert Rolston Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:31 PM To: K12OSN Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NAS Backup Hi Kevin, What version of Netware. The solutions mentioned would back up your data. Assuming you are using NW 4.xx or greater, what about NDS / E-directory? Believe me, even a single server, 500 NDS schema is a pain to rebuild by hand. Personal experience from many moons ago taught me this one. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 06:48, Kevin Christensen wrote: > I will look at all these links, one thing I forgot to mention is they > are Novell servers. But I thought I could mount the server or some > thing. Any ideas? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Grant McInnes > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:49 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup > > > > > > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I > want > > it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > > > > Thanks guys > > Kevin > > > > > > You could also try rdiff-backup http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ which > has the advantage that its included in the K12 distro. > > Uses the rsync library to do snapshots, and a breeze to set up. > > -g > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 4 09:56:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu Mar 4 09:56:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval In-Reply-To: <4151146A-6DE6-11D8-8D5C-000393099F68@mac.com> References: <4151146A-6DE6-11D8-8D5C-000393099F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <1078412299.15585.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:14, Paul Vittorino wrote: > > > > That was probably the case a few years ago, but now I think > > nearly all manufacturers take exactly the same mechanical > > parts and slap on a different logic board. There is still > > the bottleneck with head position and since IDE is cheaper > > you'll probably buy bigger drives that make this even worse. > > > I would actually tend to agree with David here. My sole evidence is > the warranty of the drives. Maxtor has a 1 year warranty for their IDE > & SATA drives but a 5 year warranty on their SCSI drives. > I wouldn't base technical decisions on marketing ploys. You see the same thing in car batteries where you can buy exactly the same construction for wildly different prices and what you get for a lot of extra money is just the longer warranty. Remember that if the drive breaks in 4 years you'll get an exact replacement even though by then it will likely be obsolete and you'd rather have something up to date. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Mar 4 09:58:02 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Thu Mar 4 09:58:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] etc/yum/yum.conf Message-ID: <04Mar4.160024cet.87700@fw01.solleftea.se> Hi ppl! Anyone got a copy of yum.conf from k12ltsp 4.0.0? "Misplaced" mine ;D /daniel ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Thu Mar 4 10:58:23 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Thu Mar 4 10:58:23 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] etc/yum/yum.conf In-Reply-To: <04Mar4.160024cet.87700@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <04Mar4.160024cet.87700@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <1078415923.22972.4.camel@crux> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 06:54, Hedblom Daniel wrote: > Hi ppl! > > Anyone got a copy of yum.conf from k12ltsp 4.0.0? "Misplaced" mine ;D > > /daniel Here you go (this is from 4.0.1) -- I commented out the macromedia section yesterday as it was having problems (maybe that was just me). HTH -- Pat Healy, Palm Desert High School [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=fedora-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 [base] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Base baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ [updates-released] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Released Updates baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/i386/ [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora/ #[macromedia] #name=Macromedia flash #baseurl=http://macromedia.mplug.org/apt/fedora/1/ #[updates-testing] #name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Unreleased Updates #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/1/i386/ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Mar 4 11:31:03 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu Mar 4 11:31:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <1078418008.25175.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 06:19, Kevin Christensen wrote: > Hi Bert, > We are running 5.1 right now but are upgrading to 6.5 this summer. We > are mainly concerned about backing up user data, if we have to we would > just rebuild the server from scratch but the data would be safe. We are > even willing to buy a commercial product that we could get support for. > Is there any out there that will do this back up from Novell to Linux? Back when we had Novell and Linux servers, we looked at Arkeia. http://www.arkeia.com/platforms.html -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From rhoward at ywammt.org Thu Mar 4 12:16:16 2004 From: rhoward at ywammt.org (Reba Howard) Date: Thu Mar 4 12:16:16 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs Message-ID: <37386.10.1.2.253.1078420694.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I need some help. I am having trouble with in of my terminals. It keeps saying nfs server "myserver" not responding still trying. It is the only one of the network doing this, I have put it on different subnets and different server and it still gives me the error. I have also replaced the network card and given it a different ip. Does anyone know why it is doing this and how to fix it? Reba Howard From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Thu Mar 4 13:39:20 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Thu Mar 4 13:39:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] why I love this list was: NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <1078425655.22102.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 03:19, Kevin Christensen wrote: > [....] the more the big bosses see Linux > the more they want to use it. They are toying with the idea of making > two of our brand new elementary schools pure Linux terminal. /me Give the bosses a big grin from me ay... 8-)) Steve From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 4 15:10:05 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu Mar 4 15:10:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval - scsi or not In-Reply-To: <1078412299.15585.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4151146A-6DE6-11D8-8D5C-000393099F68@mac.com> <1078412299.15585.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4294.202.89.154.43.1078431136.squirrel@216.216.171.236> > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:14, Paul Vittorino wrote: >> > >> > That was probably the case a few years ago, but now I think >> > nearly all manufacturers take exactly the same mechanical >> > parts and slap on a different logic board. There is still >> > the bottleneck with head position and since IDE is cheaper >> > you'll probably buy bigger drives that make this even worse. >> > >> I would actually tend to agree with David here. My sole evidence is >> the warranty of the drives. Maxtor has a 1 year warranty for their IDE >> & SATA drives but a 5 year warranty on their SCSI drives. >> > > I wouldn't base technical decisions on marketing ploys. You > see the same thing in car batteries where you can buy > exactly the same construction for wildly different prices > and what you get for a lot of extra money is just the > longer warranty. Remember that if the drive breaks in > 4 years you'll get an exact replacement even though > by then it will likely be obsolete and you'd rather > have something up to date. Les, I think we have beat this subject to death a few months ago, but it seems that in the current discussion one important fact got lost: scsi drives *do* last longer, and with a good reason. it is not construction nor workmanship - it is the intelligence of the embedded software. the one big difference is request queuing, which when done right and combined with predictive read ahead minimizes the head movments. the head movments are the culprit behind the need for recalibration and behind most of the mechanical failures (i remember reading somewhere the number 98%). julius From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 4 15:10:10 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu Mar 4 15:10:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval - scsi or not In-Reply-To: <1078412299.15585.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4151146A-6DE6-11D8-8D5C-000393099F68@mac.com> <1078412299.15585.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4296.202.89.154.43.1078431148.squirrel@216.216.171.236> > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 08:14, Paul Vittorino wrote: >> > >> > That was probably the case a few years ago, but now I think >> > nearly all manufacturers take exactly the same mechanical >> > parts and slap on a different logic board. There is still >> > the bottleneck with head position and since IDE is cheaper >> > you'll probably buy bigger drives that make this even worse. >> > >> I would actually tend to agree with David here. My sole evidence is >> the warranty of the drives. Maxtor has a 1 year warranty for their IDE >> & SATA drives but a 5 year warranty on their SCSI drives. >> > > I wouldn't base technical decisions on marketing ploys. You > see the same thing in car batteries where you can buy > exactly the same construction for wildly different prices > and what you get for a lot of extra money is just the > longer warranty. Remember that if the drive breaks in > 4 years you'll get an exact replacement even though > by then it will likely be obsolete and you'd rather > have something up to date. Les, I think we have beat this subject to death a few months ago, but it seems that in the current discussion one important fact got lost: scsi drives *do* last longer, and with a good reason. it is not construction nor workmanship - it is the intelligence of the embedded software. the one big difference is request queuing, which when done right and combined with predictive read ahead minimizes the head movments. the head movments are the culprit behind the need for recalibration and behind most of the mechanical failures (i remember reading somewhere the number 98%). julius From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 4 15:41:11 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu Mar 4 15:41:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation In-Reply-To: <4046B448.8010002@elp.rr.com> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> <4046B448.8010002@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >Thanks! Do you have any objections to my doing a couple of mod to show >the home brew/dumpster side of making linux terminals and altering the >title card to add in my schools stuff? >Bye >Pat no problem...have a ball! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 4 16:52:10 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu Mar 4 16:52:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Groupware, E-Smith, and More... In-Reply-To: <1078343038.11936.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078343038.11936.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <4047A59D.4030401@maltzen.net> Hmm. I tried to install mozilla calendar to use with my Mozilla 1.6b, but it fails, saying the ICAL component is not properly registered. Anyone else seeing this? Petre Steve Wright wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 08:38, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>Although this isn't directly K12LTSP related, maybe some of the wise people >>on the list may be able to shed some light on my situation. >> >>At my school, we just ditched Microsoft Exchange to switch to an SME Server >>for mail. The only issue is that people are asking for calendars and >>taskpads, and I refuse to let them use Outlook due to security holes. >> >>Are there any good open-source groupware solutions out there for SME/Linux, >>or should I just use a commercial solution like MeetingMaker? > > > > After reading this thread, I decided to install mozilla calendar and > configure my Apache to do https webdav. Suffice to say, it works very > well - I'm stoked.. > > Careful use of google will reveal all, as usual.. > > > /steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 4 17:13:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu Mar 4 17:13:44 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Just got approval - scsi or not In-Reply-To: <4296.202.89.154.43.1078431148.squirrel@216.216.171.236> References: <4151146A-6DE6-11D8-8D5C-000393099F68@mac.com> <1078412299.15585.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4296.202.89.154.43.1078431148.squirrel@216.216.171.236> Message-ID: <1078438275.15808.56.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 14:12, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Les, > I think we have beat this subject to death a few months ago, but it seems > that in the current discussion one important fact got lost: scsi drives > *do* last longer, and with a good reason. it is not construction nor > workmanship - it is the intelligence of the embedded software. the one > big difference is request queuing, which when done right and combined > with predictive read ahead minimizes the head movments. the head movments > are the culprit behind the need for recalibration and behind most of the > mechanical failures (i remember reading somewhere the number 98%). > julius That might be true if the OS had no intelligence or buffering, but in fact Linux has much bigger buffers and 'should' be much better at rescheduling seeks into elevator order. I say should because I really have no idea if it does or not, but the unix systems I used years ago did it and Linux is more than a match for them in every other way. I've had quite a few 3 year old SCSI drives fail, but can't do a real comparison against ide in that respect because I wouldn't have put ide in a server 3 years ago. I now have some 3ware ide raids but not old enough for any failures. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Mar 4 17:17:14 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu Mar 4 17:17:14 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <04030407122100.02277@newguy> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> <04030407122100.02277@newguy> Message-ID: <4047AB6F.4040101@snet.net> Hey, What do any of you guys use to import photos from a digicamera? I just got one, a Nikon Coolpix 4300. gtkam didn't detect it, and lists only up to the coolpix 880 (which is very similar to this, but only 3.2 mp, whereas this is 4.o mp) iPhoto on my iBook got it right away, but I'd like to be able to import them here (to my k12 box). thanks, tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Mar 4 18:07:03 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu Mar 4 18:07:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... In-Reply-To: References: <1078345128.11936.36.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078431260.1364.8.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Scott, A tight usage policy will prevent a lot of abuse. The habitual / perpetual abuser will get caught eventually. When that happens a big song and dance (without mentioning names) helps to publicise the misdemeanor. The librarian I used to work with would phone me if she suspected internet abuse. Then I would VNC onto the machine to verify. If abuse was occuring I would take control of the machine, log the student off, and the librarian would advise that student they had been caught. The grapevine would do the rest. None of the students required special counseling, or treatment. They knew they were in the wrong, and accepted the ban. We used the 3 strikes approach. Contract is strike 1, first abuse a short term ban (1 week to 1 term) strike 2, second abuse permanent ban for current year (reviewed at the begging of the next academic year). HTH Bert On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 09:30, Scott Sherrill wrote: > >On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 05:10, Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > >> Once in awhile, students will share their accounts with their > >> friends. If for example Johnny loses his privileges he will borrow > >> Sally's account and surf as her. > > > > > >I would make it clear that intentionally subverting any access > >mechanism would result in *instant* and *permanent* account termination > >for *all* concerned - and *then* see if Sally would so keenly offer her > >account for illicit purposes (illicit because there is probably good > >reason that Johnnys' account was revoked.) > > > >Kids need to be aware that ; > > > >1.) they are monitored > >2.) abusers get their account zapped > >3.) abusers will get *your* account irretrievably zapped if you loan it > >4.) access is a privilege > > > > > I agree with you 100% Steve, but the only way they are currently > getting caught is if I am actively looking. That's why I'd like to > give classroom teachers more tools to look for that abuse. > > I did some further looking and it doesn't look like the banner idea > is going to float. There are very few references out there for that > solution using Squid and an auto-added banner. > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Mar 4 18:07:10 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu Mar 4 18:07:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <1078440041.1391.154.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Kevin, I'm a bit rusty on this, but from memory Novell E-Directory supports NFS. If you aren't worried about the NDS tree then any of the previous methods would back up the data. NDS is a breeze to set up in comparison to LDAP, mainly because Novell has done the hard work for the user. An Rsync based solution would probably be the most efficient. Amanda looks like a very capable performer, even better than some commercial products. I suggest you identify exactly what you want to do (even diagramming data flow paths) and then look at what is available. Will you be backing up across WAN links? Average amount of data to backup daily? Choose the product that will suit your needs. Pretty vague I know, but when you figure out the WHAT, HOW of the back up, then you will know WHICH product is most suitable. Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 03:19, Kevin Christensen wrote: > Hi Bert, > We are running 5.1 right now but are upgrading to 6.5 this summer. We > are mainly concerned about backing up user data, if we have to we would > just rebuild the server from scratch but the data would be safe. We are > even willing to buy a commercial product that we could get support for. > Is there any out there that will do this back up from Novell to Linux? I > would really like to get this to work, the more the big bosses see Linux > the more they want to use it. They are toying with the idea of making > two of our brand new elementary schools pure Linux terminal. > > Thanks everybody for all your advice it is very much appreciated! > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Bert Rolston > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:31 PM > To: K12OSN > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NAS Backup > > Hi Kevin, > > What version of Netware. > > The solutions mentioned would back up your data. > > Assuming you are using NW 4.xx or greater, what about NDS / E-directory? > Believe me, even a single server, 500 NDS schema is a pain to rebuild by > hand. Personal experience from many moons ago taught me this one. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 06:48, Kevin Christensen wrote: > > I will look at all these links, one thing I forgot to mention is they > > are Novell servers. But I thought I could mount the server or some > > thing. Any ideas? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On > Behalf > > Of Grant McInnes > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:49 AM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup > > > > > > > > > > Does any one know of any good software to run a Linux NAS backup? I > > want > > > it to pull from multiple servers and save the files on the NAS. > > > > > > Thanks guys > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > You could also try rdiff-backup http://rdiff-backup.stanford.edu/ > which > > has the advantage that its included in the K12 distro. > > > > Uses the rsync library to do snapshots, and a breeze to set up. > > > > -g > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu Mar 4 19:23:02 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu Mar 4 19:23:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... In-Reply-To: <1078431260.1364.8.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: Just my 2 bits worth. .... My last school (a private school) logged all internet access with Novell BorderManager. It logged the userid, ip address of workstation, time, URL We then did a grep for common words like, adult, sex, nude, cheat, mp3, etc piped that to another file. A quick glance through that shows if there are problems or if it was about sussex, etc. Those users could then be searched for their history on that day. If there was a problem, the material was printed and given to the principal. In the 4 years at that highschool of 350kids, we had 3 incidents that needed talking. We had no internet filter, but the students knew the logs where reviewed on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. It worked great ... expect honesty and you generally get honesty. What we could NOT monitor, was if Johnny was using Susie's account. But generally Susie would not let Johnny use her account, lest he surf where he shouldn't and get her into trouble. Let is also be said that this was a private school. All kids signed an Acceptable Use Policy before their accounts were activated. The parents also read and intialed these agreements (so they also knew what was happening). This kids wanted to be here. They parents wanted us to do this. (To some the fact that we had no filter was still an issue ...) This is VERY difficult to do in a public situation - data privacy, etc etc... public access to computers, etc etc. But you are perfectly right. The occasional quick glance though an internet log will catch the people that have a problem - taking them on to the place where they can be helped. The inadvertent misspelled word or whitehouse.com was easy to spot and never an issue. (the log shows they were at that site for 3 sec before the next site comes and there is no further mention of that site. The person with the problem will fill pages of logs!!! You are also right that the grapevine does the rest. Yes there are kids that don't care, but generally kids want to fit into their social surroundings. The grapevine is extremely powerful. just a bit of my experience joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Bert Rolston Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:24 PM To: K12OSN Subject: Re: [K12OSN] thoughts on web browsing.... Hi Scott, A tight usage policy will prevent a lot of abuse. The habitual / perpetual abuser will get caught eventually. When that happens a big song and dance (without mentioning names) helps to publicise the misdemeanor. The librarian I used to work with would phone me if she suspected internet abuse. Then I would VNC onto the machine to verify. If abuse was occuring I would take control of the machine, log the student off, and the librarian would advise that student they had been caught. The grapevine would do the rest. None of the students required special counseling, or treatment. They knew they were in the wrong, and accepted the ban. We used the 3 strikes approach. Contract is strike 1, first abuse a short term ban (1 week to 1 term) strike 2, second abuse permanent ban for current year (reviewed at the begging of the next academic year). HTH Bert On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 09:30, Scott Sherrill wrote: > >On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 05:10, Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > >> Once in awhile, students will share their accounts with their > >> friends. If for example Johnny loses his privileges he will borrow > >> Sally's account and surf as her. > > > > > >I would make it clear that intentionally subverting any access > >mechanism would result in *instant* and *permanent* account termination > >for *all* concerned - and *then* see if Sally would so keenly offer her > >account for illicit purposes (illicit because there is probably good > >reason that Johnnys' account was revoked.) > > > >Kids need to be aware that ; > > > >1.) they are monitored > >2.) abusers get their account zapped > >3.) abusers will get *your* account irretrievably zapped if you loan it > >4.) access is a privilege > > > > > I agree with you 100% Steve, but the only way they are currently > getting caught is if I am actively looking. That's why I'd like to > give classroom teachers more tools to look for that abuse. > > I did some further looking and it doesn't look like the banner idea > is going to float. There are very few references out there for that > solution using Squid and an auto-added banner. > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bobk at mn.rr.com Thu Mar 4 20:45:02 2004 From: bobk at mn.rr.com (Bob K) Date: Thu Mar 4 20:45:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing Floppy from Clients Message-ID: <4047DC16.1060104@mn.rr.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Mar 4 22:30:02 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu Mar 4 22:30:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> References: <000201c401f3$b2c5ba80$0460050a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <1078457521.11359.25.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 19:49, Kevin Christensen wrote: > Is there any out there that will do this back up from Novell to Linux? I > would really like to get this to work, the more the big bosses see Linux Would first mounting novell on your linux partition at say /home/novell' and then rsync this to another server work? We had done this approach in our small network. We continue to rsync daily onto a minimal build P1 machine that is switched on in the evening as server and during the day is floppy booted as client. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Mar 5 00:26:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri Mar 5 00:26:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <4047AB6F.4040101@snet.net> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> <04030407122100.02277@newguy> <4047AB6F.4040101@snet.net> Message-ID: <40481000.4020803@snet.net> Okay, I tried to install gphoto2, but it asked for ligphoto 2.1.2. I dled and installed libgphoto 2.1.4, first. If I try to install 2.1.2, won't it tell me that I have a more update version and refuse to act? I tried digikam, but it asked for libexif. When I tried to install libexif with yum, told me that libexif was already install, and the latest version. Digikam gives these instructions, which I failed to follow at first (just tried configure, make, make install, but didn't get past configure): In the source directory do : 1) export WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5=1 2) export KDEDIR=KDE_installation_dir_on_your_system 3) make -f Makefile.cvs 4) ./configure 5) make 6) su 7) make install Perhaps if I could do this, it would find libexif, as necessary. But, what is "KDE_installation_dir_on_your_system"? tony anthony baldwin wrote: > Hey, > > What do any of you guys use to import photos from a digicamera? > I just got one, a Nikon Coolpix 4300. > gtkam didn't detect it, and lists only up to the coolpix 880 (which is > very similar to this, but only 3.2 mp, whereas this is 4.o mp) > iPhoto on my iBook got it right away, but I'd like to be able to import > them here (to my k12 box). > > thanks, > tony > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Mar 5 01:19:02 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri Mar 5 01:19:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <40481000.4020803@snet.net> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> <04030407122100.02277@newguy> <4047AB6F.4040101@snet.net> <40481000.4020803@snet.net> Message-ID: <1078467659.30805.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 10:58, anthony baldwin wrote: > Okay, > I tried to install gphoto2, but it asked for ligphoto 2.1.2. > I dled and installed libgphoto 2.1.4, first. If I try to install 2.1.2, > won't it tell me that I have a more update version and refuse to act? Try mounting your camera as a device /dev/sda1 if you do not have any scsi drives. Or change "a" to the next drive b/c/d.. Basically connect the USB cable and recognise the memory as drive. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi Fri Mar 5 03:12:59 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Fri Mar 5 03:12:59 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authentication on K12 ltsp 4 Message-ID: <404836DF.3020603@edu.hel.fi> As a beginner, I have not succeeded to use our LDAP-server for user authentication. Instead, I managed to make myself unable to log in as root... What file, where and what should be there in that file? Sorry to write this kind of stupidity, but I have a server working and migrating from Win95/98 to LTSP depends only on this thing (primary school 320 pupils, 30 adults, all have user acounts on the LDAP alreay - by the way, I'?m the enthusiastic principal, not the IT support. So, the good thing is, on't have to convince the headmaster :) Sorry about my poor English and Linux skills! Mikko Jordman, Siltam?ki Primary School, Helsinki Finlnd From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Mar 5 04:31:01 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri Mar 5 04:31:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Auto-Login Doesn't Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040305084508.GB5929@wizzy.com> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004, David Trask wrote: > What I'm wondering is if there is a way to add a delay....here's the > idea....I'd like to have my lab terminals log in automatically so the > kindergarten kids can use the terminals BUT I'd also like the other kids > to be able to log the terminal off and log in as themselves.....whaddya' > think....how do we put in a delay that will auto-login after "x" number of > seconds only if you don't log in as someone else. Any thoughts? I have recently upgraded to Fedora Core 1 on my servers. gdmconfig (which tweaks the gdm.conf file) has all the options you are looking for - delayed auto-login. Cheers, Andy! From max989 at adelphia.net Fri Mar 5 04:34:03 2004 From: max989 at adelphia.net (Max Anikstein) Date: Fri Mar 5 04:34:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs Message-ID: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After some messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network but it can?t configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears that the computers have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway to get these machines to work? Is there another X Server we can use? Do we need to purchase new video cards? Thanks a lot, Max Anikstein max989 at adelphia.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Mar 5 05:35:00 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri Mar 5 05:35:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs In-Reply-To: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> References: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> Message-ID: <1078482989.13622.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 15:10, Max Anikstein wrote: > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After > some messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network > but it can???t configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears > that the computers have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway > to get these machines to work? Is there another X Server we can use? > Do we need to purchase new video cards? No personal experience but try setting HorizSync 31.5 - 37.9 VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0 within these ranges in your lts.conf file. I have been able to use old B&W monitors with this. Also important what is the vid memory of the cards in your machines. Anything below 1mb forget using 800x600 resolution. 2mb for 1024x780. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Mar 5 08:06:10 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:06:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs In-Reply-To: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> References: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> Message-ID: <20040305130506.GD18951@wizzy.com> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004, Max Anikstein wrote: > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After some > messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network but it can?t > configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears that the computers > have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway to get these machines to > work? Is there another X Server we can use? Do we need to purchase new video > cards? I seem to remember dealing with these before. I think they are Matrox chipsets ? There is a commercial Xserver whose name I have forgotten that supports Matrox - but you pay quite a lot for it, and it might not work with LTSP. The VESA driver might work, but I would not bet on it. Save yourself some time, get other video cards. The other problem is that it is very hard to find PCI video cards these days - I do not think you can buy them new any more. Cheers, Andy! From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Fri Mar 5 08:13:06 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:13:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs Message-ID: <04Mar5.135938cet.87084@fw01.solleftea.se> Hi! I have found out that by setting the proper resolution and using XF86_SVGA will make theese comps work. Some is so old they only run in 800x600 and some 1024x768. Like this: ---------------------------- //opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [ws001] XSERVER = XF86_SVGA X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 ------------------------------ You can also change the videocards as i have done on most old boxes. Set them up individually in /etc/dhcp and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf or by making it default. Anyway, cheers! ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: "Max Anikstein" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 01:40:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After > some > messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network but it > can?t > configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears that the > computers > have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway to get these > machines to > work? Is there another X Server we can use? Do we need to purchase > new video > cards? > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Max Anikstein > > max989 at adelphia.net > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/2004 > > From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Mar 5 08:13:11 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:13:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs In-Reply-To: <37386.10.1.2.253.1078420694.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <37386.10.1.2.253.1078420694.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <20040305131340.GE18951@wizzy.com> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004, Reba Howard wrote: > I need some help. I am having trouble with in of my terminals. It keeps > saying nfs server "myserver" not responding still trying. It is the only > one of the network doing this, I have put it on different subnets and > different server and it still gives me the error. I have also replaced the > network card and given it a different ip. Does anyone know why it is doing > this and how to fix it? > Reba Howard Have you tried a different cable ? Sometimes I find the network gets so busy that the clients have difficulty accessing the NFS server. First advice - get a decent ethernet card for the NFS server, an EEPro rather than an RTL8139. (Server, not client). If sufficient clients lose the NFS server, things go from bad to worse very quickly, as all the clients start 'screaming', clogging the network more. If the NFS server is rebooted, for instance, all the clients scream, and when the server tries to bring up the network card, it is bombarded, and goes into slow motion. In this case, you have to take the clients down too. Cheers, Andy! From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Mar 5 08:30:12 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:30:12 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla has stopped loading/viewing pdfs Message-ID: <030520041331.21767.26a7@comcast.net> As of a few days ago, Mozilla has just stopped loading pdf for viewing. If you save the file, it opens correctly, but in Mozilla, the file is downloaded and then Mozilla reports 'stopped' in the lower left as the current action(?). About Plugins shows nppdf.so enabled. Help? Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Mar 5 08:38:35 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:38:35 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] in the back ground Message-ID: <40488324.3090009@msln.net> Thanks to all who post documents and fixes in this list. Through your presentations, info, and a small test bed in one of our elementary schools, our school district in going to be instituting up to 6 LTSP servers for all our elementary schools in the coming year. I'm also trying to start a small lab in the junior high, to get the older crowd use to the idea. Being new to linux has made this one of the biggest challenges yet, but WELL worth the time and effort. Thankyou! Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 74 School Street Unity, Maine 04988 207-948-6142 gumprechtm at msln.net From haysja at sages.us Fri Mar 5 08:39:01 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs In-Reply-To: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> References: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> Message-ID: <404883E2.5040207@sages.us> Check out this site: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html The info here has always worked for me on older computers. Max Anikstein wrote: > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After > some messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network > but it can?t configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears > that the computers have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway > to get these machines to work? Is there another X Server we can use? > Do we need to purchase new video cards? > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Max Anikstein > > max989 at adelphia.net > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/2004 > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 5 08:46:29 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:46:29 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] web-based db tools Message-ID: Have you had any experience with locally run, db linked, web based survey tools? I would like to figure out a simple way to post occasional check box queries to the entire faculty that would return a simple statistical summery of each one. Let me know your experiences...thx David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Fri Mar 5 08:58:04 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri Mar 5 08:58:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard Message-ID: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my message. I have started working with the K12LTSP 4.0 on a new system and I have a quick question or two. The LTSP will pretty much be used only for Word Processing, Spreadsheets & Internet access. I would like to monitor internet access specifically. I am assuming that Squid and SquidGuard are installed with the complete LTSP install. I was able to install Webmin which told me that Squid was running. In addition when I checked the system log I can see where SquidGuard was started. I was able to locate the blacklist folder and checkout some of the addresses and urls of sites that are supposed to be blocked. However, when I type in the url via lynx and mozilla I am able to get to the sites. I am not familiar enough to know where to go from here. I have attempted to find HowTo's but the links are either dead links or the files that are referenced in the Howto are in different locations, so I figured it would be best for me to post here and ask for advice. Concerning the monitoring, I read that Sarg would be best for monitoring internet usage. Naturally, if my squid/squidguard do not appear to be fully working I figured I had better not get too far gone. Does anyone know of a HowTo that would assist with Sarg? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would links to good sites for reference. Thanks, Michael From barry at yellowdog.com Fri Mar 5 10:07:05 2004 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Fri Mar 5 10:07:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup Message-ID: <40489800.3010905@yellowdog.com> Hi, We've played with the standard rsync and Netware quite a bit. The bottom line is that you can sync files from Netware to Linux but all you get is the files. You lose Netware ownerships and permissions. If your goal is to move some files and directories, this is fine. But if you want to use these files as a substitute Netware backup it leaves a lot to be desired. After a server crash you'd be able to restore the files but would have to recreate each directory and file ownership by hand. Also, the latest version of Netware come with an rsync nlm. This version of rsync will maintain permissions during a Netware to Netware copy. We use it each night to sync two Netware servers and it works nicely. But I don't know if it can keep Netware permissions if you sync the files to linux. Barry From csitech at practical.edu Fri Mar 5 10:08:00 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Computer Services Department) Date: Fri Mar 5 10:08:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cirrus Logic cards Message-ID: Hi all, I'm new to the list, and to k12LTSP, but I figured this was the place to learn. We're planning on setting up a terminal network at the college I work for. Currently we're running some tests to see which of our old machines we can use. During these tests I noticed some major compatibility issues with Cirrus Logic cards, whenever we're using one, it simply refuses to boot the xserver. It fails every time. So, has anyone else had this problem? Or does anyone have a fix for it? Thanks in advance. Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry ----- Email: csitech at practical.edu WWW: http://www.practical.edu Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 Fax: 607.729.2962 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From kevin at ross.kunaschools.org Fri Mar 5 10:16:03 2004 From: kevin at ross.kunaschools.org (Kevin Christensen) Date: Fri Mar 5 10:16:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <40489800.3010905@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <000201c402c5$03362730$03de040a@ksd2045> I am going to have to look into rsync some more. We are not to concerned with the permissions because we back those up separately. Any good links to site with some really good documentation that hasn't been already posted? You guys are so helpful thank you Kevin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Barry Solof Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:09 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] NAS Backup Hi, We've played with the standard rsync and Netware quite a bit. The bottom line is that you can sync files from Netware to Linux but all you get is the files. You lose Netware ownerships and permissions. If your goal is to move some files and directories, this is fine. But if you want to use these files as a substitute Netware backup it leaves a lot to be desired. After a server crash you'd be able to restore the files but would have to recreate each directory and file ownership by hand. Also, the latest version of Netware come with an rsync nlm. This version of rsync will maintain permissions during a Netware to Netware copy. We use it each night to sync two Netware servers and it works nicely. But I don't know if it can keep Netware permissions if you sync the files to linux. Barry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tim at litwiller.net Fri Mar 5 10:28:25 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri Mar 5 10:28:25 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] web-based db tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40489CC0.4060109@litwiller.net> I haven't used these - but they should work fine depending on what you need. http://www.chipmunk-scripts.com/scripts/poll.php http://www.interlogy.com/products/content/quiz/index.html http://www.smartisoft.com/ then click products then click phpvote http://php.softwarefolder.com/view.php/4070/ David Trask wrote: >Have you had any experience with locally run, db linked, web based survey >tools? I would like to figure out a simple way to post occasional check >box queries to the entire faculty that would return a simple statistical >summery of each one. Let me know your experiences...thx > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 5 11:17:11 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri Mar 5 11:17:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs In-Reply-To: <1078482989.13622.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: try 8 bit color depth. . . that has worked for some of the compaqs I have used. . . ds On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 15:10, Max Anikstein wrote: > > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After > > some messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network > > but it can???t configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears > > that the computers have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway > > to get these machines to work? Is there another X Server we can use? > > Do we need to purchase new video cards? > No personal experience but try setting > HorizSync 31.5 - 37.9 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0 > within these ranges in your lts.conf file. I have been able to use old > B&W monitors with this. > Also important what is the vid memory of the cards in your machines. > Anything below 1mb forget using 800x600 resolution. 2mb for 1024x780. > > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Mar 5 11:55:01 2004 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Fri Mar 5 11:55:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <4047AB6F.4040101@snet.net> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> <04030407122100.02277@newguy> <4047AB6F.4040101@snet.net> Message-ID: <1078505805.5130.22.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 14:19, anthony baldwin wrote: > Hey, > > What do any of you guys use to import photos from a digicamera? > I just got one, a Nikon Coolpix 4300. > gtkam didn't detect it, and lists only up to the coolpix 880 (which is > very similar to this, but only 3.2 mp, whereas this is 4.o mp) > iPhoto on my iBook got it right away, but I'd like to be able to import > them here (to my k12 box). Just found this article, where the author talks about using a Coolpix 4300 with Linux. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/03/01/2045239 -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Academic Computing and Networking Services Coordinator Fern Ridge School District 28J Elmira, OR Office: 541-935-2253 x429 Cell: 541-914-2989 qhartman at lane.k12.or.us www.fernridge.k12.or.us From kovalcik at orion-design.com Fri Mar 5 12:00:02 2004 From: kovalcik at orion-design.com (Tom Kovalcik) Date: Fri Mar 5 12:00:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Amer.com C1110 Gigbit board In-Reply-To: <20040305002302.28052.26235.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat .com> References: <20040305002302.28052.26235.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040305115851.021ea540@oriongw> Does anyone have any experience with Amer.com's C1110 Gigbit Ethernet board and Fedora? What chipset does it use? What is the general impression of Amer.com? So far I have had good luck with their switches. Thanks From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Fri Mar 5 12:41:23 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (EDULIX) Date: Fri Mar 5 12:41:23 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with a kernel, new to the list :) Message-ID: <28316702.1078508284857.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hi Jim: Firstly, Excuse my delay of an answer, but I'm full of exams at the high school. As you can see today's friday, and as I have no class in weekends, today I'm just free :). Uhm, maybe it's a video setting problem, as I had to specify the Xfree driver to 'radeon', as it didn't worked with 'auto' (no image was displayed as far as I can remember), so it's possible it to be problematic with others than Xfree. I've tried to use that solution that you suggested and it didn't worked either; I was given the same colored, weird, blinking.. screen :|. Maybe the fact that it's a laptop is important, because it uses LCD therefore that "X modes" you told me about simply don't get on well with it. Therefore, I think that it'd be a good thing to try one of those machines that are going to be the terminals, so on Monday maybe I can catch one of them and deal with it. Have you got more ideas others than recompile the kernel? Apart of the EOI installation, I would like to have access to the local drives in my laptop terminal at home :PP. About compiling myself the kernel, I'm likely to try it. I've already downloaded and installed lbe (apt is wonderful for that hehe) and I have a weekend for it. In any case, I'd like to have a kernel with lpp+supermount, so it's time for fun! Who knows, maybe lpp (as it uses) fix the problem :). Thanks you all, Edulix. > This looks like a video setting problem in the lts.conf file. > Try this: > Edit your /etc/dhcdp.conf file and add a record for your client > computer. Assign an IP number and a host name to the Mac address for > your client. > Then edit /opt/lstp/i386/etc/lts.conf (I think that is it. I am away > from my installation and am doing this from memory.) > Add a record for that client host. Include these line in your record: > [ws001] > X_MODE_0 = 640x480 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 +hsync +vsync > X_MODE_1 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync > X_MODE_2 = 1024x768 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 interlace > (This assumes that you named the host [ws001] in your dhcpd.conf file.) > You need to add the record in dhcpd.conf file so you can know exactly > which client gets the host name. Then you add the record in lts.conf to > make sure the video settings are assigned to the correct host. > Good luck and don't give up. It will work. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Mar 5 13:02:07 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri Mar 5 13:02:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Making LTSP work with old Compaqs In-Reply-To: <20040305135804.8526.95014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040305135804.8526.95014.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1078509868.7103.5.camel@anthony> > -----Original Message----- > From: "Max Anikstein" > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 01:40:06 -0800 > Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs > > > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After > > some > > messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network but it > > can?t > > configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears that the > > computers > > have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway to get these > > machines to > > work? Is there another X Server we can use? Do we need to purchase > > new video > > cards? > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > > > > > Max Anikstein > > > > max989 at adelphia.net Hello Max, Out first lab included 10 500 series Compaqs and a bunch of Gateway P5's We purchased a bunch of 8 MB Jaton 107 pci cards and they worked great. What a difference it makes going from 2 MB to 8 MB of video ram They are still available at DealTime http://hardwarecentral.dealtime.com/xPO-Jaton_Video_107 John From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 5 13:33:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Mar 5 13:33:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs Message-ID: <200403051735.i25HZa518739@downeast.net> give knoppix or suse cdrom os a try..with any luck it will tell you what video it needs...chuck > On Fri, 05 Mar 2004, Max Anikstein wrote: > > > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After some > > messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network but it can?t > > configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears that the computers > > have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway to get these machines to > > work? Is there another X Server we can use? Do we need to purchase new video > > cards? > > I seem to remember dealing with these before. > > I think they are Matrox chipsets ? > There is a commercial Xserver whose name I have forgotten that supports > Matrox - but you pay quite a lot for it, and it might not work with LTSP. > > The VESA driver might work, but I would not bet on it. > > Save yourself some time, get other video cards. > > The other problem is that it is very hard to find PCI video cards these > days - I do not think you can buy them new any more. > > Cheers, Andy! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 5 13:34:04 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Mar 5 13:34:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cirrus Logic cards Message-ID: <200403051737.i25HbA518970@downeast.net> try the vesa driver....> Hi all, I'm new to the list, and to k12LTSP, but I figured this was the > place to learn. We're planning on setting up a terminal network at the > college I work for. Currently we're running some tests to see which of our > old machines we can use. During these tests I noticed some major > compatibility issues with Cirrus Logic cards, whenever we're using one, it > simply refuses to boot the xserver. It fails every time. So, has anyone else > had this problem? Or does anyone have a fix for it? Thanks in advance. > > Calvin Park > Associate Director of Computer Services > Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry > ----- > Email: csitech at practical.edu > WWW: http://www.practical.edu > Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > Fax: 607.729.2962 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Mar 5 13:38:13 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Mar 5 13:38:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <4048C972.4040100@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my message. > > I have started working with the K12LTSP 4.0 on a new system and I have a > quick question or two. The LTSP will pretty much be used only for Word > Processing, Spreadsheets & Internet access. I would like to monitor > internet access specifically. I am assuming that Squid and SquidGuard > are installed with the complete LTSP install. I was able to install > Webmin which told me that Squid was running. In addition when I checked > the system log I can see where SquidGuard was started. I was able to > locate the blacklist folder and checkout some of the addresses and urls > of sites that are supposed to be blocked. However, when I type in the > url via lynx and mozilla I am able to get to the sites. I am not > familiar enough to know where to go from here. I have attempted to find > HowTo's but the links are either dead links or the files that are > referenced in the Howto are in different locations, so I figured it > would be best for me to post here and ask for advice. Are you attempting to access the internet to test your proxy filter FROM the server? This will cause it to not work since the server cannot be filtered. You have to test from a client in the network. AND, you have to tell the web browser to use the proxy server! > > Concerning the monitoring, I read that Sarg would be best for monitoring > internet usage. Naturally, if my squid/squidguard do not appear to be > fully working I figured I had better not get too far gone. Does anyone > know of a HowTo that would assist with Sarg? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would links to good sites for > reference. > > Thanks, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us Fri Mar 5 15:02:03 2004 From: jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us (John Pace) Date: Fri Mar 5 15:02:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up Squid and Dansguardian Message-ID: I am in the process of setting up a "test" computer to test content filtering using squid and dansguardian. Someone suggested that I give K12LTSP Linux a try since it came with Squid as a default install. We are a public library. The setup so far: (1) Compaq P800 with 2 NICs (2) Installed K12LTSP (3) Checked services to see if Squid / SquidGuard is running and they are, (4) Installed Dansguardian RPM, (5) Installed Webmin (6) Updated Webmin with the dansguardian module. (7) Started the Dansguardian service. Questions: 1. If I use Squid / Dansguardian, do I need Squidguard also? I think not, but I want to be sure. 2. We are behind a Linux firewall (IPCop). Do I point Squid to the firewall box and then point the clients to the Squid box? 3. Do I have to tell Squid that Dansguardian is installed? 4. Do I have to tell Dansguardian that Squid is installed? 5. Lastly, and probably most important: Can I temporarily turn off filtering to one computer? Can this be done by IP or network name? I have been looking at the Webmin dansguardian module and I can't see a way to do that. I am pretty new to Linux, setting up the mentioned firewall was my first dive into Linux, this is the second. Any advice on how to proceed will be welcome! John Pace Webster County Library (417) 468-3335 jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Fri Mar 5 16:25:12 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri Mar 5 16:25:12 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <4048C972.4040100@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> <4048C972.4040100@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <4048F0AD.2080909@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hi Richard, Thanks for the reply. You are correct I was trying to use the server to connect to the internet. When I logged in to a client machine, I then launched Mozilla and entered in one of the sample URLs that are supposed to be blocked. As expected, it was open. So I entered the preferences of Mozilla. I changed the Direct connection to the internet to a Manual proxy configuration, I entered in the address of my K12LTSP (192.168.0.208) & Port 80. To be safe I restarted the browser, but I received an alert - The connection was refused when attempting to contact the proxy server. This was just going to google.com. I then for the heck of it changed the proxy address to the LAN side IP address that is see by our main LAN (192.168.1.208). Same alert. So finally I attempted to change the proxy setting to "Automatic proxy configuration" setting to my K12LTSP address. Unfortunately, I could get internet access to everthing once again. Any advice grealty appreciated! Michael Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Michael Elliott wrote: > >> Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my message. >> >> I have started working with the K12LTSP 4.0 on a new system and I >> have a quick question or two. The LTSP will pretty much be used >> only for Word Processing, Spreadsheets & Internet access. I would >> like to monitor internet access specifically. I am assuming that >> Squid and SquidGuard are installed with the complete LTSP install. I >> was able to install Webmin which told me that Squid was running. In >> addition when I checked the system log I can see where SquidGuard was >> started. I was able to locate the blacklist folder and checkout some >> of the addresses and urls of sites that are supposed to be blocked. >> However, when I type in the url via lynx and mozilla I am able to get >> to the sites. I am not familiar enough to know where to go from >> here. I have attempted to find HowTo's but the links are either dead >> links or the files that are referenced in the Howto are in different >> locations, so I figured it would be best for me to post here and ask >> for advice. > > > Are you attempting to access the internet to test your proxy filter > FROM the server? This will cause it to not work since the server > cannot be filtered. You have to test from a client in the network. > AND, you have to tell the web browser to use the proxy server! > >> >> Concerning the monitoring, I read that Sarg would be best for >> monitoring internet usage. Naturally, if my squid/squidguard do not >> appear to be fully working I figured I had better not get too far >> gone. Does anyone know of a HowTo that would assist with Sarg? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would links to good sites >> for reference. >> >> Thanks, >> Michael >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Mar 5 16:27:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Fri Mar 5 16:27:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] web-based db tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078522084.4827.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 02:50, David Trask wrote: > Have you had any experience with locally run, db linked, web based survey > tools? I would like to figure out a simple way to post occasional check > box queries to the entire faculty that would return a simple statistical > summery of each one. Let me know your experiences...thx David, many of not most of the web-portals, viz phpnuke, will allow you to run a variety of different surveys. /steve From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 5 16:45:35 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri Mar 5 16:45:35 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? Message-ID: <1078523228.19800.181.camel@server.ltsp> I know a few people here have deployed dual AMD Opteron servers, but I don't remember seeing any comments on their performance. One of my schools is looking at buying one, but they would really like to know how well it works before they drop the cash. If you using an Opteron server, would you be so kind as to post your experiences? (speed, stability, etc) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at rossberry.com Fri Mar 5 16:48:09 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri Mar 5 16:48:09 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <4048F0AD.2080909@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> <4048C972.4040100@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <4048F0AD.2080909@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Michael Elliott wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Thanks for the reply. You are correct I was trying to use the server to > connect to the internet. When I logged in to a client machine, I then > launched Mozilla and entered in one of the sample URLs that are supposed > to be blocked. As expected, it was open. So I entered the preferences > of Mozilla. I changed the Direct connection to the internet to a Manual > proxy configuration, I entered in the address of my K12LTSP > (192.168.0.208) & Port 80. To be safe I restarted the browser, but I > received an alert - The connection was refused when attempting to > contact the proxy server. This was just going to google.com. I then > for the heck of it changed the proxy address to the LAN side IP address > that is see by our main LAN (192.168.1.208). Same alert. So finally I > attempted to change the proxy setting to "Automatic proxy configuration" > setting to my K12LTSP address. Unfortunately, I could get internet > access to everthing once again. > Autoconfiguration does not work. You need to point your proxy to port 3128 (for just Squid) or 8080 for Dan's Guardian (assuming the defaults). If you want it to work automatically, then you have to setup transparent proxying. Dan and squidGuard work a bit differently, but you can use both. The big differences are.. Dan will check the content and attempt to grade the site on the fly. SG does not. SG is more configurable by time, day, requesting machine, etc. So to do the obligatory text drawing.. client -> tranparent proxy on 80 -> proxy:8080 (Dan) -> proxy:3128 (Squid) -> SquidGuard -> Internet If the transparent proxy is left out, set browser to use port 8080 or 3128 of the proxy. If Dan is left out, set browser to point to port 3128 of the proxy. each layer (transparent proxy, Dan, Squid and SquidGuard) can include it's own access control lists, databases etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From johns at model.com Fri Mar 5 16:56:01 2004 From: johns at model.com (Spencer, John) Date: Fri Mar 5 16:56:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? Message-ID: I have opteron (x86_64) systems with 2x CPUs running the RHWS3.0 SMP kernel. I had initial stability issues that were solved by applying the latest x86_64 errata, below is the output of 'cat /proc/version': cat /proc/version Linux version 2.4.21-4.0.1.ELsmp (bhcompile at thor.perf.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-20)) #1 SMP Thu Oct 23 01:18:32 EDT 2003 All my opteron's are using the 246 chipset and have excellent performance, 32-bit performance is comparable, and sometimes better than, the latest Xeon chipset. And 64-bit performance has been been better than the latest Itanium2 systems that I have for everything except floating point intensive processes. I have at least 1 system maxed out with 16GB of RAM that performs extremely well, no obvious latency due to the large memory configuration. Below is a link reporting on a fairly controlled benchmark comparison of opteron vs. xeon for 32-bit performance. http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1982 John -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:47 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? I know a few people here have deployed dual AMD Opteron servers, but I don't remember seeing any comments on their performance. One of my schools is looking at buying one, but they would really like to know how well it works before they drop the cash. If you using an Opteron server, would you be so kind as to post your experiences? (speed, stability, etc) -Eric From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Mar 5 17:17:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Fri Mar 5 17:17:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <1078525106.4827.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Sarg is pretty cool. http://web.onda.com.br/orso/sarg.html /steve On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 03:00, Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my message. > > I have started working with the K12LTSP 4.0 on a new system and I have a > quick question or two. The LTSP will pretty much be used only for Word > Processing, Spreadsheets & Internet access. I would like to monitor > internet access specifically. I am assuming that Squid and SquidGuard > are installed with the complete LTSP install. I was able to install > Webmin which told me that Squid was running. In addition when I checked > the system log I can see where SquidGuard was started. I was able to > locate the blacklist folder and checkout some of the addresses and urls > of sites that are supposed to be blocked. However, when I type in the > url via lynx and mozilla I am able to get to the sites. I am not > familiar enough to know where to go from here. I have attempted to find > HowTo's but the links are either dead links or the files that are > referenced in the Howto are in different locations, so I figured it > would be best for me to post here and ask for advice. > > Concerning the monitoring, I read that Sarg would be best for monitoring > internet usage. Naturally, if my squid/squidguard do not appear to be > fully working I figured I had better not get too far gone. Does anyone > know of a HowTo that would assist with Sarg? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would links to good sites for > reference. > > Thanks, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Mar 5 17:20:03 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Fri Mar 5 17:20:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cirrus Logic cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078525289.4827.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 04:06, Computer Services Department wrote: > Hi all, I'm new to the list, and to k12LTSP, but I figured this was the > place to learn. We're planning on setting up a terminal network at the > college I work for. Currently we're running some tests to see which of our > old machines we can use. During these tests I noticed some major > compatibility issues with Cirrus Logic cards, whenever we're using one, it > simply refuses to boot the xserver. It fails every time. So, has anyone else > had this problem? Or does anyone have a fix for it? Thanks in advance. yeah, cirrus logic cards are bogus. I did have one working.. IIRC someone on the list posted a working conf for it, but I have lost it now. IMO, an old $2 graphics board is not worth the effort, unless you are totally broke, or you have four hundred of them. best, Steve From jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us Fri Mar 5 17:26:08 2004 From: jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us (John Pace) Date: Fri Mar 5 17:26:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <1078525106.4827.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: Richard, When you say all computers in your network use this boxes IP as their gateway, you mean the "green" NIC, right? >From the client should I be able to ping DG? This is what I have so far: -internet feed coming into the Squid/DG box on NIC 192.168.1.60 -Network leaves Squid/DG box on other NIC, 192.168.1.61 and goes to 8 port switch. -one client connected to switch. Squid configured: Proxy address 127.0.0.1 port 3128 DG Configured: Filter IP/Port: 192.168.1.61:8080, Proxy IP/Port: 127.0.0.1:3128 Client GW/DNS is the firewall (192.168.1.99), Should I change the client GW to 192.168.1.61? DNS the same? Or leave them pointing to firewall? I have tried both ways, neither worked. NIC configs on the Squid/DG box: eth0: IP 192.168.1.60, GW 192.168.1.99 (firewall) eth1: IP 192.168.1.61, GW 192.168.1.99 (firewall) Thanks! John -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Steve Wright Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:18 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard Sarg is pretty cool. http://web.onda.com.br/orso/sarg.html /steve On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 03:00, Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my message. > > I have started working with the K12LTSP 4.0 on a new system and I have a > quick question or two. The LTSP will pretty much be used only for Word > Processing, Spreadsheets & Internet access. I would like to monitor > internet access specifically. I am assuming that Squid and SquidGuard > are installed with the complete LTSP install. I was able to install > Webmin which told me that Squid was running. In addition when I checked > the system log I can see where SquidGuard was started. I was able to > locate the blacklist folder and checkout some of the addresses and urls > of sites that are supposed to be blocked. However, when I type in the > url via lynx and mozilla I am able to get to the sites. I am not > familiar enough to know where to go from here. I have attempted to find > HowTo's but the links are either dead links or the files that are > referenced in the Howto are in different locations, so I figured it > would be best for me to post here and ask for advice. > > Concerning the monitoring, I read that Sarg would be best for monitoring > internet usage. Naturally, if my squid/squidguard do not appear to be > fully working I figured I had better not get too far gone. Does anyone > know of a HowTo that would assist with Sarg? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would links to good sites for > reference. > > Thanks, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Mar 5 17:39:01 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri Mar 5 17:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cirrus Logic cards In-Reply-To: <1078525289.4827.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078525289.4827.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <33437.198.236.111.120.1078526617.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Steve Wright said: > yeah, cirrus logic cards are bogus. I did have one working.. IIRC > someone on the list posted a working conf for it, but I have lost it > now. IMO, an old $2 graphics board is not worth the effort, unless you > are totally broke, or you have four hundred of them. http://email.riverdale.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12osdig/5232.html -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Fri Mar 5 17:43:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Fri Mar 5 17:43:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Cirrus Logic cards In-Reply-To: <33437.198.236.111.120.1078526617.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1078525289.4827.6.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <33437.198.236.111.120.1078526617.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1078526698.5293.0.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 11:43, Dan Young wrote: > Steve Wright said: > > yeah, cirrus logic cards are bogus. I did have one working.. IIRC > > someone on the list posted a working conf for it, but I have lost it > > now. IMO, an old $2 graphics board is not worth the effort, unless you > > are totally broke, or you have four hundred of them. > > http://email.riverdale.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12osdig/5232.html or if someone else can give you the gen on it.. ;-) /steve From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Mar 5 19:28:05 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Fri Mar 5 19:28:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] web-based db tools Message-ID: <030620040029.20500.16fc@mchsi.com> > Have you had any experience with locally run, db linked, web based survey > tools? I would like to figure out a simple way to post occasional check > box queries to the entire faculty that would return a simple statistical > summery of each one. Let me know your experiences...thx We use phpesp (http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpesp/) for surveys and teacher evaluation, etc. It works quite well. It requires php and MySQL. Regards... Tom From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Mar 5 19:33:00 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri Mar 5 19:33:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <1078505805.5130.22.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> References: <4046A580.2080009@elp.rr.com> <04030407122100.02277@newguy> <4047AB6F.4040101@snet.net> <1078505805.5130.22.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <40491CB1.1000307@snet.net> Thanks for passing this along! tony Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 14:19, anthony baldwin wrote: > >>Hey, >> >>What do any of you guys use to import photos from a digicamera? >>I just got one, a Nikon Coolpix 4300. >>gtkam didn't detect it, and lists only up to the coolpix 880 (which is >>very similar to this, but only 3.2 mp, whereas this is 4.o mp) >>iPhoto on my iBook got it right away, but I'd like to be able to import >>them here (to my k12 box). > > > Just found this article, where the author talks about using a Coolpix > 4300 with Linux. > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/03/01/2045239 > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Fri Mar 5 21:07:01 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Fri Mar 5 21:07:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? In-Reply-To: <1078523228.19800.181.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > If you using an Opteron server, would you be so kind as to post your > experiences? (speed, stability, etc) We have been very happy with our dual opteron server. However, this is my first and only exposure to fedora and k12ltsp 4.0.0 and therefore I have nothing to compare it against. We're currently running 16 clients on it, but have plans to move to 30. All of our success can be attributed to top notch tech support from Warren, Vince, Ray, and the rest of the HOSEF team. I don't know where we would be without them. http://hosef.org --Peter From icon at linux.duke.edu Fri Mar 5 21:12:02 2004 From: icon at linux.duke.edu (Konstantin Ryabitsev) Date: Fri Mar 5 21:12:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? In-Reply-To: <1078523228.19800.181.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1078523228.19800.181.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <404933EC.7050305@linux.duke.edu> On 05.03.2004 16:47, Eric Harrison wrote: > I know a few people here have deployed dual AMD Opteron servers, but I > don't remember seeing any comments on their performance. > > One of my schools is looking at buying one, but they would really like > to know how well it works before they drop the cash. > > If you using an Opteron server, would you be so kind as to post your > experiences? (speed, stability, etc) Duke Physics high performance computing cluster is using about 12 dual opterons so far, running FC1 for x86_64. They are working quite well -- no complaints from the users so far. -- Konstantin ("Icon") Ryabitsev Duke Physics Systems Admin, RHCE I am looking for a job in Canada! http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/cajob.ptml From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Mar 5 23:29:00 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri Mar 5 23:29:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <000201c402c5$03362730$03de040a@ksd2045> References: <000201c402c5$03362730$03de040a@ksd2045> Message-ID: <1078547456.25412.19.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 20:47, Kevin Christensen wrote: > I am going to have to look into rsync some more. We are not to concerned > with the permissions because we back those up separately. Any good links > to site with some really good documentation that hasn't been already > posted? > man rsync was comprehensive enough. port 873 has to be kept open in firewall if coming from outside to sync. I use the following: # time -rsync -avzP -e ssh --exclude-from=excluded [IPofsource]:/home/[departmentdirectory] /home This allows me to backup all files except those which pattern match lines in file "excluded" It also times the transfer for admin record. If you have generated keys then you can run this as cron job without password being asked. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Mar 5 23:30:02 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri Mar 5 23:30:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup In-Reply-To: <40489800.3010905@yellowdog.com> References: <40489800.3010905@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <1078547522.25412.21.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 20:38, Barry Solof wrote: > We've played with the standard rsync and Netware quite a bit. The > bottom line is that you can sync files from Netware to Linux but all you > get is the files. You lose Netware ownerships and permissions. > > If your goal is to move some files and directories, this is fine. But > if you want to use these files as a substitute Netware backup it leaves > a lot to be desired. After a server crash you'd be able to restore the > files but would have to recreate each directory and file ownership by hand. > > Also, the latest version of Netware come with an rsync nlm. This > version of rsync will maintain permissions during a Netware to Netware > copy. We use it each night to sync two Netware servers and it works > nicely. But I don't know if it can keep Netware permissions if you sync > the files to linux. That is a new perspective. Thanks for things to watch out. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sat Mar 6 00:31:02 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Sat Mar 6 00:31:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Making LTSP work with old Compaqs In-Reply-To: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> References: <20040305093626.EJYG27343.mta11.adelphia.net@hercules> Message-ID: <1078520414.1368.3.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Max, Have you tried using the generic SVGA x-server @ 640 x 480 and 8 bit colour? You should be able to make these mods in your ltsp.conf file. This will give you a starting point. Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 22:40, Max Anikstein wrote: > We just received approximately 30 Compaq Deskpro 590 computers. After some > messing with the boot disk, I got them to boot off the network but it can?t > configure the X Server. Based on some Googling it appears that the computers > have QVISION 1280/P Graphics chips. Is there anyway to get these machines to > work? Is there another X Server we can use? Do we need to purchase new video > cards? > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > > Max Anikstein > > max989 at adelphia.net > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/2004 > -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Mar 6 11:36:01 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat Mar 6 11:36:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NAS Backup Message-ID: Hi Kevin, I've only been scanning the digests (SciFair, Yearbook, and Skills Canada Competitions all coming at once!) so I don't know if this is what you need, but will this help... [root at linux-thin1 root]# pico -w /etc/cron.daily/rsync #!/bin/sh rsync -az -p -g -e ssh /home 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin rsync -az -p -g -e ssh /etc 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin rsync -az -p -g -e ssh /var 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin rsync -az -p -g -e ssh /opt 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin rsync -az -p -g -e ssh /usr/share 192.168.1.6:/home2/thin This is the script I'm using now to backup my server... I'm even preserving the perms now (had an oops the first time out). I've also passed keys between my boxes so that the script runs unattended. Works fine. Jim _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From mail at beachmail.ca Sat Mar 6 14:06:06 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Sat Mar 6 14:06:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem Message-ID: I am new to Linux and K12LTSP. The concept of 'thin clients' looked intriguing for use by our family around the house. (I'm tired of maintaining multiple machines.... I can sympathize with school computer administrators!) So, I got a copy of the K12LTSP disks (4.0.0), loaded then into a computer (1.2 GHz Athlon) and connected another old PC with a NIC/boot ROM and a crossover cable. (It didn't go quite as smoothly as that...) When I boot the client via PXE, all seems to go OK with screens of incomprehensible (to me) info rolling by. So, the client is talking OK with the server. However, as it nears the end of booting, some message comes up about difficulty the video card then the screen goes blank. And stays that way until I reboot. (The video card works fine under Windows.) The client is a 200MHz Pentium with an ATI Mach64 card. The card is a bit old but I think pretty common and 'generic.' I don't even know where to look to see where video drivers are, how to determine if that's the problem, etc. I find the documentation either seems to be, if I make an analogy to swimming, like dipping your toe in the water or jumping off the deep end, with not much in between. I was looking to sort of 'wade around' about knee deep for a while! And some of the stuff refers to Red Hat 7 or 8 and I'm never sure is I can't make sense of something because I am missing the point or if that feature has changed in the move to Fedora. I don't mind reading, digging around and trying to edit files, etc. (although my Linux experience is near zero) but I sure would appreciate a few directions about where I might start. David Beach Picton, Ontario From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Mar 6 14:25:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat Mar 6 14:25:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404A261C.1020708@inlandlakes.org> David Beach wrote: > the server. However, as it nears the end of booting, some message comes up > about difficulty the video card then the screen goes blank. And stays that Forgive me for being so brief (I normally yammer on and on...) but I'm getting a migraine, so I only have a few minutes before "doom and gloom" It sounds like your monitor can't handle the resolution the ati card (the mach64 is a great card BTW) is defaulting to. You want to edit the file: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (I think that's the right path) and change the modeline settings. The file is well documented. If you are just trying to get the one client to boot, you can change the settings in the "default" section, rather than making a section for your specific client. Remember that if you add other clients, you may have to set up a "list of settings" for each client... Anyway, look at the X_MODE_0 stuff (I think that is the term... X_MODE something anyway... my head really is starting to hurt...) and set the screen resolution stuff to something lower. The blank screen usually means the monitor can't handle the refresh rate, etc. I'm sorry I can't go into more detail, but play with that file, and you should get a working client. Feel free to post your progress/frustrations to the list. We're a pretty friendly bunch. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Sat Mar 6 15:43:06 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (EDULIX) Date: Sat Mar 6 15:43:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem Message-ID: <23389404.1078605597044.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hi David! I'm also using k12LTSP at home, and I really enjoy using always "my own computer", no matter in front of which computer I am "physically". I started the experience as a test installation of a proyect of mine, but I'm sure I'm not going to change the situation. Moreover, I can use my Linux in my father's pc which has only windows installed, and it boots fast :). I had a problem similar to yours with my father's pc. The problem is that obviously the graphic card isn't recogniced automatically, therefore the X server (the usual graphic mode in linux) can't start successfully. The solution is to specify manually the driver that best suits you: As you only want to specify it to that pc (because others are not likely to need that driver or even to configure it manually), firstly you need to specify it to be set to your terminal. In order to do that, you need to locate and name your old terminal. You need, to edit the file '/etc/dhcpd.conf', and add something like the code provided above after the block 'shared-network WORKSTATIONS { [.some lines..] }' : group { use-host-decl-names on; # note that this need to be your server's ip: option log-servers 192.168.0.1; host old-machine { # this is the MAC address of the old thin terminal's network card: hardware ethernet 00:08:7F:54:32:5A; # maybe you'd like to specify a ip per machine so that # it does not change, or you can delete the line: fixed-address 192.168.0.100; } # Here you can specify more hosts like in the same way we've done with 'old-machine' host } You can find the old thin terminal's network card that it's needed executing the command above in a root shell: (root shell)# ifconfig | grep HWaddr eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:7D:E1:96:24 Finally it's time to specify the X server driver. I've been searching for a while about mach64, Xfree (the X server I've been mentioning all the time) and LTSP, and I've found what I thought: the problems is that the actual Xfree version (4.x) doesn't have drivers for old graphic cards, including yours. So you only need to tell to the server that it has to boot xfree 3.x instead of 4.x and it should work ahead. So, let's edit the LTSP configuration file, the file '/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf'. At the end of the file, add something like this: [old-machine] XSERVER = XFree86 Note that I don't know if that's the correct driver. in http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg17437.html someone with the same problem as your says that using Xfree 3.x simply solves the problem, but he didn't told us which driver he used. You can see by starting of the file we're editing a list of drivers (by the line 16 or so): # Video drivers for the terminals XSERVER = auto # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga # XFree 3 drivers: XF86_FBDev XF86_S3 XF86_S3V XF86_SVGA # XF86_VGA16 XFree86 Xvesa As you can see, 'XFree86' is a XFree 3 driver. You could also try with Xvesa or XF86_SVGA, but I think that XFree86 is likely to solve the problem ;-). Uhm, something you should know: When you've booted the thin terminal, you're not going to have access to local devices by default, nor sound. You need to especify the use of nasd as the sound server (are you using gnome or kde? I'm using kde 3.2 with sound, I could help to get it), and I'm still trying to configure the use local devices with a custom kernel (thanks frame and irc.freenode.net #ltsp channel for your help!). Regards, Edulix. From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 6 19:19:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat Mar 6 19:19:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem In-Reply-To: <404A261C.1020708@inlandlakes.org> References: <404A261C.1020708@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1078605667.26297.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 13:27, Shawn Powers wrote: > David Beach wrote: > > the server. However, as it nears the end of booting, some message comes up > > about difficulty the video card then the screen goes blank. And stays that > It sounds like your monitor can't handle the resolution the ati card > (the mach64 is a great card BTW) is defaulting to. You want to edit the > file: Better yet, if you have enough PCs in the house that you need ltsp, steal a better monitor for the test box. You'll like it better using at least 1024x768. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mail at beachmail.ca Sat Mar 6 22:24:00 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Sat Mar 6 22:24:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem Message-ID: >>David Beach wrote: >>the server. However, as it nears the end of booting, some message comes up >>about difficulty the video card then the screen goes blank. And stays that >It sounds like your monitor can't handle the resolution the ati card (the >mach64 is a great card BTW) is defaulting to. You want to edit the file: >/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (I think that's the right path) Well, I tried Shaun's suggestion and, lo and behold, I have a desktop! I just 'uncommented' a line for a 72Hz, 640 X 480 screen and it worked. EDULIX offered some more detailed info and I am still ploughing through that. However... I now get the desktop with an "X" cursor but that's it - nothing more. The cursor moves around - clicking does nothing nor does anything else I do seem to help! So although it is 'frozen' part way through the boot process, it hasn't completely 'locked up.' For the moment, I will try some fiddling around but, once again, if anyone can direct me where to look, debugging suggestions (or what questions I should be asking!), chip in. Thanks again for the help. David Beach Picton, ON From jam at mcquil.com Sat Mar 6 23:04:04 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Sat Mar 6 23:04:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David, take a look at: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/gray_screen.html Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, David Beach wrote: > >>David Beach wrote: > >>the server. However, as it nears the end of booting, some message comes up > >>about difficulty the video card then the screen goes blank. And stays that > > >It sounds like your monitor can't handle the resolution the ati card (the > >mach64 is a great card BTW) is defaulting to. You want to edit the file: > > >/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (I think that's the right path) > > Well, I tried Shaun's suggestion and, lo and behold, I have a desktop! I > just 'uncommented' a line for a 72Hz, 640 X 480 screen and it worked. > > EDULIX offered some more detailed info and I am still ploughing through > that. > > However... I now get the desktop with an "X" cursor but that's it - nothing > more. The cursor moves around - clicking does nothing nor does anything else > I do seem to help! So although it is 'frozen' part way through the boot > process, it hasn't completely 'locked up.' > > For the moment, I will try some fiddling around but, once again, if anyone > can direct me where to look, debugging suggestions (or what questions I > should be asking!), chip in. > > Thanks again for the help. > > David Beach > Picton, ON > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Mar 7 00:59:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun Mar 7 00:59:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh 5500 Install Instructions Message-ID: <404ABA91.5050009@inlandlakes.org> Those folks that were interested in what I was doing with my old macintosh workstations to boot to the LTSP servers -- I have documented my initial progress. I tried to put stuff on the wiki a few times, but couldn't seem to log in. I tried to make a new account, but for some reason I couldn't. (Possibly and ID10T error) Anyway, it's on my website. There's not much else on my website, but since I use my site for work purposes now, I will be more likely to put linuxy stuff on it. Here's a direct link to the story, and if anyone wants to wiki it -- feel free. I just couldn't get it to work a few weeks ago when I tried. http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org/article.php?story=20040307001238261 Hope this benefits someone. :) (BTW, my headache has lessened a bit from earlier -- I hope my advice was comprehensible regarding the blank monitor!) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From robark at telus.net Sun Mar 7 02:59:02 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun Mar 7 02:59:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? In-Reply-To: <20040306170005.6136.43178.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040306170005.6136.43178.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200403062233.40533.robark@telus.net> > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:07:33 -1000 (HST) > From: Nakashima > To: > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > We have been very happy with our dual opteron server. However, this is my > first and only exposure to fedora and k12ltsp 4.0.0 and therefore I have > nothing to compare it against. We're currently running 16 clients on it, > but have plans to move to 30. All of our success can be attributed to top > notch tech support from Warren, Vince, Ray, and the rest of the HOSEF > team. I don't know where we would be without them. > > > Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:14:04 -0500 > From: Konstantin Ryabitsev > Organization: Linux at DUKE > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Duke Physics high performance computing cluster is using about 12 > dual opterons so far, running FC1 for x86_64. They are working quite > well -- no complaints from the users so far. My school is also considering dual opterons. I would like to know what motherboard are you guys using? Also, what are your hard drives? SCSI or SATA? and if you are using any RAID setup? Robert From robark at telus.net Sun Mar 7 03:40:01 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun Mar 7 03:40:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] HD noise -scsi vs sata Message-ID: <200403070038.00006.robark@telus.net> I am going to build a server with 2 hard drives. I thought about getting two seagate 7200rpm sata drives and RAID 0 them with a 3ware RAID controller. But then I read this site http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q2/10k-comparo/index.x?pg=12 and discovered that a single 10k rpm SCSI drive is VERY fast for 30 users accessing at the same time. So I am contemplating getting two 10k rpm U320 scsi drives and set one as / and the other for /home. Side question: What is better? 2 drives with RAID 0 or seperate drives for home and root ? Does anyone have two 10k scsi drives in their classroom server. My classroom is small and I already have to deal with the noise of 30 fans. Could I teach in this noise??? BTW if you keep clicking on next at the website above you will get a lot more data including noise graphs. Robert From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 7 06:40:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sun Mar 7 06:40:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh 5500 Install Instructions-thick client.. In-Reply-To: <404ABA91.5050009@inlandlakes.org> References: <404ABA91.5050009@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <404B0A41.6080301@downeast.net> Shawn..what are you using for a bootloader...Kim Ks' problem seems to be that mklinux wont work with 5500 machines...If bootx or miboot works maybe we can get it to load tagged kernel by changing the default kernel to the tagged one which boots directly to ltsp....chuck From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Mar 7 07:44:00 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun Mar 7 07:44:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem In-Reply-To: <404A261C.1020708@inlandlakes.org> References: <404A261C.1020708@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040307124318.GD1228@wizzy.com> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > David Beach wrote: > >the server. However, as it nears the end of booting, some message comes up > >about difficulty the video card then the screen goes blank. And stays that > > It sounds like your monitor can't handle the resolution the ati card > (the mach64 is a great card BTW) is defaulting to. You want to edit the > file: > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (I think that's the right path) > > and change the modeline settings. The file is well documented. If you > are just trying to get the one client to boot, you can change the > settings in the "default" section, rather than making a section for your > specific client. Remember that if you add other clients, you may have > to set up a "list of settings" for each client... > > Anyway, look at the X_MODE_0 stuff (I think that is the term... X_MODE > something anyway... my head really is starting to hurt...) and set the > screen resolution stuff to something lower. The blank screen usually > means the monitor can't handle the refresh rate, etc. I find it best to reduce the horiz and vertical scan rate, rather than setting the resolution hard. Something like this :- # AUWA [00:c0:26:79:ec:5b] X_HORZSYNC = 31-55 X_VERTREFRESH = 55-85 X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 2 X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN = Y You can just tweak the top end of X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH to taste, rather than trying to figure out modelines. Raise them til it doesn't work, then drop it slightly. X_HORZSYNC is usually the problem. Cheers, Andy! From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Mar 7 07:50:01 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun Mar 7 07:50:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] HD noise -scsi vs sata In-Reply-To: <200403070038.00006.robark@telus.net> References: <200403070038.00006.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <20040307124906.GE1228@wizzy.com> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Side question: What is better? 2 drives with RAID 0 or seperate drives for > home and root ? I think /home gets all the traffic. So probably 2 drives with RAID 0. Cheers, Andy! From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Mar 7 09:38:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun Mar 7 09:38:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh 5500 Install Instructions-thick client.. In-Reply-To: <404B0A41.6080301@downeast.net> References: <404ABA91.5050009@inlandlakes.org> <404B0A41.6080301@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20040307093946.73b829e4.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 06:40:49 -0500 cliebow wrote: > Shawn..what are you using for a bootloader Using bootx. It's what comes with Yellowdog 3.0.1. I really did a complete install of Yellowdog linux on the machine, just didnt' install KDE or GNOME. To be honest, I've never used anything but bootx on macs... Even back in Yellowdog 2.2 (my first introduction to linux on macs 5ish years ago) Basically, I'd try to install Yellowdog 3.0.1 according to the install manual, and trim stuff down from there. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Mar 7 09:40:13 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun Mar 7 09:40:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] HD noise -scsi vs sata In-Reply-To: <20040307124906.GE1228@wizzy.com> References: <200403070038.00006.robark@telus.net> <20040307124906.GE1228@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <20040307094221.19076c2f.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > Side question: What is better? 2 drives with RAID 0 or seperate drives for > > home and root ? > > I think /home gets all the traffic. So probably 2 drives with RAID 0. I agree. If you want root separate, you could put it on a standard IDE drive -- you'll never notice the performance hit. (NOTE: That is in ADDITION to the 2 drives in RAID0, not instead of... :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 7 12:03:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sun Mar 7 12:03:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh 5500 Install Instructions-thick client.. In-Reply-To: <20040307093946.73b829e4.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <404ABA91.5050009@inlandlakes.org> <404B0A41.6080301@downeast.net> <20040307093946.73b829e4.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <404B5613.70106@downeast.net> Guess i will have to get mine out...if a 5500 will boot a kernel from os7.6.1 should be able to boot to my nubus kernel with the ltsp initrd attached....bill_c has a g3 kernel with seperate ltsp initrd. Probably could build a nubus kernel sans initrd from 2.4.20-pre11...Any more you know of the acrhitecture of 550 relative to the 5200?? chuck From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Mar 7 12:19:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun Mar 7 12:19:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh 5500 Install Instructions-thick client.. In-Reply-To: <404B5613.70106@downeast.net> References: <404ABA91.5050009@inlandlakes.org> <404B0A41.6080301@downeast.net> <20040307093946.73b829e4.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <404B5613.70106@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20040307122050.6447f2ad.spowers@inlandlakes.org> cliebow wrote: > more you know of the acrhitecture of 550 relative to the 5200?? chuck I dunno. I have not tried anything but the 5500s, as I have quite a few of them. I also have a ton of 5400s -- and I think they have very similar hardware. I have a handful of 5260s, but I haven't even cracked one open in a while. I know the 5260s needed a different macintosh extension to get ethernet working -- so I'm assuming it's a different eth card. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sun Mar 7 12:22:01 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun Mar 7 12:22:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... Message-ID: I know I'm shooting in the dark but my school needs some new ideas again :-) My son is doing a Science Fair Project on clustered computers and has everything functioning just fine and looks like he may make it to the nationals with his angle using open mosix. He wanted to run a series of seti jobs on one of my labs that is k12ltsp based but using a bunch of knoppix-cluster cds to come up with some really impressive numbers (and for the fun of it). What he discovered was that of 14 network drops, only three consistently returned errors:0 dropped:0. All of the others after running for only a minute or so were ifconfiging errors:25 dropped:150 or worse. This is on the exact same machines that work steadily through every school day as k12ltsp clients w-i-t-h one or two random freeze-ups each day. Our technician has been in the school recently and has added a couple new long runs to switches 300 feet away from the main gear in our network. I don't think that a network tester was used to check the new runs... Is it possible that these errors be caused by new but faulty distant network runs? Or, is this a problem that is more likely local to a bad switch the library boxes are hooked to? Please feel free to bring out the crystal balls for this one! Jim _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Sun Mar 7 13:31:02 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Sun Mar 7 13:31:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078684409.26504.9.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 06:23, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I know I'm shooting in the dark but my school needs some new ideas again :-) > > My son is doing a Science Fair Project on clustered computers and has > everything functioning just fine and looks like he may make it to the > nationals with his angle using open mosix. > > He wanted to run a series of seti jobs on one of my labs that is k12ltsp > based but using a bunch of knoppix-cluster cds to come up with some really > impressive numbers (and for the fun of it). > > What he discovered was that of 14 network drops, only three consistently > returned errors:0 dropped:0. All of the others after running for only a > minute or so were ifconfiging errors:25 dropped:150 or worse. This is on > the exact same machines that work steadily through every school day as > k12ltsp clients w-i-t-h one or two random freeze-ups each day. > > Our technician has been in the school recently and has added a couple new > long runs to switches 300 feet away from the main gear in our network. I > don't think that a network tester was used to check the new runs... > > Is it possible that these errors be caused by new but faulty distant network > runs? Or, is this a problem that is more likely local to a bad switch the > library boxes are hooked to? > > Please feel free to bring out the crystal balls for this one! /me brings out crystal ball, polishes it.. The answer is... YES! IMO, it is perfectly feasible that these network cables are shonky. Technically, 100MBit/sec is a huge data rate for a simple unshielded twisted pair cable (nearly 1 GHz of RF bandwidth), and up until 10-15 years ago it simply was not done. One slight flaw in anything is gonna hiccup it, or worse. /steve From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 7 14:52:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: Sun Mar 7 14:52:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh 5500 Install Instructions-thick client.. In-Reply-To: <20040307122050.6447f2ad.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <404ABA91.5050009@inlandlakes.org> <404B0A41.6080301@downeast.net> <20040307093946.73b829e4.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <404B5613.70106@downeast.net> <20040307122050.6447f2ad.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <404B7D9A.1070207@downeast.net> most of the 5260 come witha sonic card..i don think there are any drivers for it that work. i put in a pds card to make them dumb terminals..i think 5400 and 550 have a pci slot and a fairly regular pci nic can work...i have just one 5400 board here with oddball dimm slots for memory. never tried to get that one to work.tomorrow maybe i will slide that logic board in a body and give it a try..but fairly certain i gave up when mklinux crapped out. c ya chuck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 7 17:23:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:23:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL Message-ID: It has been four weeks since I posted K12LTSP 4.0 EL test packages. I see quite a few people have downloaded these, but I have yet to receive feedback. I would really love to know people's experiences and opinions. Was it easy enough to install, did you run into any bugs or annoyances, etc, etc. I would like to know the good, the bad, and the ugly! I don't want to release these packages as "stable" when I don't have the slightest idea if they are indeed stable or not... -Eric From lists at wondergibbon.com Sun Mar 7 17:23:06 2004 From: lists at wondergibbon.com (lists at wondergibbon.com) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:23:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [ClusterKnoppix] LTSP test release] Message-ID: <5740.203.18.13.2.1078698293.squirrel@www.wondergibbon.com> Thought this might be of interest to all. Ciao, David. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ClusterKnoppix] LTSP test release From: Wim Vandersmissen Date: Mon, March 8, 2004 4:55 am To: clusterknoppix at lists.42.be Hi, Now that my primary mirror has daily rsync with my development host, I can put test/beta images online. You can find those on http or ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/mirror/clusterknoppix/beta/ As the subject shows, the current testrelease has support for LTSP setups. How to test it: run the knoppix-terminalopenmosixserver via the X icon or run /etc/init.d/knoppix-terminalopenmosixserver setup. For now you have to enable TEXTMODE to test LTSP, otherwise the clients will just boot in normal "fat" client style. After the configuration, and booting up your client nodes with PXE or etherboot you'll get a shell on the client. Now run X -broadcast (on that client), it'll search for a XDM via XDMCP. You'll see something like "Welcome node42:0 at node21" on the X logon screen. node42 is the client node, this will also be the username and password to logon to the X-server. node21 is the servernode (ofcourse those numbers will vary for your setup) When you logon your processes will be running on the master, thin client style. (ofcourse some of them can still migrate to faster hosts). Future testversions will automatically decide if a node will be a thin or fat node. Feedback/ideas/comments are appreciated. -- Wim Vandersmissen _______________________________________________ ClusterKnoppix mailing list ClusterKnoppix at lists.42.be http://lists.42.be/mailman/listinfo/clusterknoppix From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Mar 7 17:44:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:44:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? In-Reply-To: <200403062233.40533.robark@telus.net> References: <20040306170005.6136.43178.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> <200403062233.40533.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <404B5FF5.6010709@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:07:33 -1000 (HST) >>From: Nakashima >>To: >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? >>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >> >>We have been very happy with our dual opteron server. However, this is my >>first and only exposure to fedora and k12ltsp 4.0.0 and therefore I have >>nothing to compare it against. We're currently running 16 clients on it, >>but have plans to move to 30. All of our success can be attributed to top >>notch tech support from Warren, Vince, Ray, and the rest of the HOSEF >>team. I don't know where we would be without them. >> >> >>Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:14:04 -0500 >>From: Konstantin Ryabitsev >>Organization: Linux at DUKE >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? >>Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com >> >>Duke Physics high performance computing cluster is using about 12 >>dual opterons so far, running FC1 for x86_64. They are working quite >>well -- no complaints from the users so far. >> >> > > >My school is also considering dual opterons. I would like to know what >motherboard are you guys using? Also, what are your hard drives? SCSI or >SATA? and if you are using any RAID setup? > >Robert > > Though I'm not using dual Opterons, I am using dual Athlons, and they rock. I now have two K12LTSP servers, one using a MSI K7D Master, and the other (my first one) using a Tyan Tiger MP. Both have 4GB DRAM and single IDE disks. The MSI box hasn't gotten any real field testing yet, but the Tyan box, with the same CPUs and DRAM, has been providing service to 25 kids for close to a year now and is not really breathing very hard. The MSI box thus far has seemed quite friendly to GNU/Linux, Red Hat 7.3 to FC1 (K12LTSP 4.0). I've even tried Lindows 4.0 and 4.5 on it, and FreeBSD 5.1, just for fun, w/ no issues. Fast as a bat out of hell. Some will argue, correctly in my opinion, that SCSI is faster for things like RAID and multiple accesses, but you've got to ask yourself if it's needed in your specific environment. I've learned that a single IDE disk is just dandy in mine, thus saving me a nice chunk of $, and the kids have no complaints other than that they can't install whatever Windows game from home that they feel like. :-) You may be able, therefore, to save yourself some money and go with a dual Athlon solution similar to mine. BTW, I've discovered, with the MSI K7D Master, that not every SMP-capable Athlon mobo allows for non-MP-series Athlons (the Tiger MP will even do it with Durons!). I actually had to get a pair of Athlon MPs for both CPUs to be recognized. Still considerably less, though, than Opteron chips. And yes, I wish I could afford Opterons--them things are FAAAAAST! :-) --TP From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sun Mar 7 17:51:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:51:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1846.66.138.175.66.1078699957.squirrel@66.138.175.66> Eric Harrison said: > > It has been four weeks since I posted K12LTSP 4.0 EL test packages. We're doing a K12LTSP EL migration this summer. My testbed server is currently tied up with another testbed project but I hope to have it freed up after spring break. Then I can get to playing with my next project on the list: K12LTSP EL -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Mar 7 17:54:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Mar 7 17:54:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404B624E.8040300@cmosnetworks.com> Jim Christiansen wrote: > I know I'm shooting in the dark but my school needs some new ideas > again :-) > > My son is doing a Science Fair Project on clustered computers and has > everything functioning just fine and looks like he may make it to the > nationals with his angle using open mosix. > > He wanted to run a series of seti jobs on one of my labs that is > k12ltsp based but using a bunch of knoppix-cluster cds to come up with > some really impressive numbers (and for the fun of it). > > What he discovered was that of 14 network drops, only three > consistently returned errors:0 dropped:0. All of the others after > running for only a minute or so were ifconfiging errors:25 dropped:150 > or worse. This is on the exact same machines that work steadily > through every school day as k12ltsp clients w-i-t-h one or two random > freeze-ups each day. > > Our technician has been in the school recently and has added a couple > new long runs to switches 300 feet away from the main gear in our > network. I don't think that a network tester was used to check the > new runs... > > Is it possible that these errors be caused by new but faulty distant > network runs? Or, is this a problem that is more likely local to a bad > switch the library boxes are hooked to? > > Please feel free to bring out the crystal balls for this one! > > Jim Yup, I've seen this many, many times when things haven't been done just right. Yes, the spec lets you go 328 ft (100m) with UTP, but I wouldn't do it in practice. If there's even *one* fluorescent bulb nearby on such a long run, you're likely to have problems. Why they didn't do a fiber run in that situation is beyond me; I always spec fiber when I'm getting to those distances, and definitely so if there are any RF-producing devices (say, fluorescent bulbs) along the pathway. Running Cat 5e 300 feet to a drop meant for a switch is, to me, lunacy anyway, just from a bandwidth-usage point of view. That should've been a fiber run with Gig-E on both ends. No, it's not as expensive as it used to be; we do this all the time. Perhaps the reason those random freeze-ups on the K12LTSP clients is occurring is because of the errors on those drops. If you get enough latency with X11 (and it doesn't take that much), you hose your connection. It's like if you were to temporarily disconnect and really quickly reconnect your client's Ethernet connection; you'd better hope you saved your data. One or two random freeze-ups should not be happening in a K12LTSP setup; it sure doesn't on mine. Have 'em check, and re-punch, if necessary, every single one of those drops. HTH, --TP From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sun Mar 7 18:29:01 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun Mar 7 18:29:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... Message-ID: Thanks Steve and Terrell, This is really helpful. I'll try to get our ONE technician for 9 remote schools to talk with me about this. Jim _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 7 18:40:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun Mar 7 18:40:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078702916.7753.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 17:30, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Thanks Steve and Terrell, > > This is really helpful. I'll try to get our ONE technician for 9 remote > schools to talk with me about this. It may not even be the in-wall wiring. A bad jumper from the wall to PC can do it too. When my company first switched from 10Meg to 100M we had a lot of trouble that turned out to be caused by badly made extension cables in the offices. The contractor-installed cat 5 in the walls was OK. The switches didn't isolate the errors though, so it was hard to find the problems. We ended up replacing all of the old hand-made cables with new pre-made ones - which aren't all that expensive now. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 7 18:53:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun Mar 7 18:53:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] HD noise -scsi vs sata In-Reply-To: <20040307094221.19076c2f.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <200403070038.00006.robark@telus.net> <20040307124906.GE1228@wizzy.com> <20040307094221.19076c2f.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1078703710.7753.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 08:42, Shawn Powers wrote: > Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > > Side question: What is better? 2 drives with RAID 0 or seperate drives for > > > home and root ? > > > > I think /home gets all the traffic. So probably 2 drives with RAID 0. > > I agree. If you want root separate, you could put it on a standard IDE drive -- you'll never notice the performance hit. (NOTE: That is in ADDITION to the 2 drives in RAID0, not instead of... :) > If you do any amount of email, database, squid, or web server activity or anything that causes a lot of logging, you will have traffic in /var. Having that on a different physical drive will reduce head contention. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Mar 7 19:02:02 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun Mar 7 19:02:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <4048F0AD.2080909@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> <4048C972.4040100@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <4048F0AD.2080909@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <404B7248.2020101@cmosnetworks.com> We do transparent proxy at our schools, too. We use a separate physical proxy server for this purpose, though. I've heard that it's quite difficult to get a K12LTSP server to transparently proxy to itself. Theoretically, I imagine that it could be done, but you'd have to be an iptables guru in order to do it. Here's how I do transparent proxying. WAN | | Router | | ---------S-W-I-T-C-H------------------------------ MAIN LAN | | | | (10.40.32.0/20) | | | | K12LTSP Web Proxy K12LTSP K12LTSP Server Server Client Client The switch is a Catalyst 3548. I have the router redirecting all traffic, via a little policy routing, to the Web proxy server. This way, it's a lot easier to rebuild your K12LTSP box if you need to, with a stock install. Also, it offloads your K12LTSP server for running apps. The Web proxy server doesn't need to be that big; I've found that a Pentium III-733 with 256MB DRAM will nicely service a large high school. --TP Michael Elliott wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Thanks for the reply. You are correct I was trying to use the server > to connect to the internet. When I logged in to a client machine, I > then launched Mozilla and entered in one of the sample URLs that are > supposed to be blocked. As expected, it was open. So I entered the > preferences of Mozilla. I changed the Direct connection to the > internet to a Manual proxy configuration, I entered in the address of > my K12LTSP (192.168.0.208) & Port 80. To be safe I restarted the > browser, but I received an alert - The connection was refused when > attempting to contact the proxy server. This was just going to > google.com. I then for the heck of it changed the proxy address to > the LAN side IP address that is see by our main LAN (192.168.1.208). > Same alert. So finally I attempted to change the proxy setting to > "Automatic proxy configuration" setting to my K12LTSP address. > Unfortunately, I could get internet access to everthing once again. > > Any advice grealty appreciated! > Michael > > Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > >> Michael Elliott wrote: >> >>> Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my message. >>> >>> I have started working with the K12LTSP 4.0 on a new system and I >>> have a quick question or two. The LTSP will pretty much be used >>> only for Word Processing, Spreadsheets & Internet access. I would >>> like to monitor internet access specifically. I am assuming that >>> Squid and SquidGuard are installed with the complete LTSP install. >>> I was able to install Webmin which told me that Squid was running. >>> In addition when I checked the system log I can see where SquidGuard >>> was started. I was able to locate the blacklist folder and checkout >>> some of the addresses and urls of sites that are supposed to be >>> blocked. However, when I type in the url via lynx and mozilla I am >>> able to get to the sites. I am not familiar enough to know where to >>> go from here. I have attempted to find HowTo's but the links are >>> either dead links or the files that are referenced in the Howto are >>> in different locations, so I figured it would be best for me to post >>> here and ask for advice. >> >> >> >> Are you attempting to access the internet to test your proxy filter >> FROM the server? This will cause it to not work since the server >> cannot be filtered. You have to test from a client in the network. >> AND, you have to tell the web browser to use the proxy server! >> >>> >>> Concerning the monitoring, I read that Sarg would be best for >>> monitoring internet usage. Naturally, if my squid/squidguard do not >>> appear to be fully working I figured I had better not get too far >>> gone. Does anyone know of a HowTo that would assist with Sarg? >>> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would links to good sites >>> for reference. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Michael >>> From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sun Mar 7 22:30:01 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Sun Mar 7 22:30:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... Message-ID: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi folks, Here's my dilemma. I have a Windows server that is running 602 Lansuite Pro for e-mail & internal webmail. This has a 5 user license. There are more than 5 users require e-mail now. I'm migrating said Windows server to RH 9.0 with Samba. Can anyone suggest a single package that will provide, * POP / SMTP / Web mail functionality * unlimited users * runs on RH9 * has Webmin modules (preferable) OR it's own web based admin interface to replace 602 Lansuite? I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect mail from the ISP. The idea is to continue Outlook Express usage for current e-mail account, but transfer them to webmail over time. All new users will use webmail. Thanks, Bert ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From julius at turtle.com Sun Mar 7 22:53:01 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun Mar 7 22:53:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Bert Rolston wrote: > I have a Windows server that is running 602 Lansuite Pro for e-mail & > internal webmail. > This has a 5 user license. There are more than 5 users require e-mail > now. > > I'm migrating said Windows server to RH 9.0 with Samba. > > Can anyone suggest a single package that will provide, > * POP / SMTP / Web mail functionality > * unlimited users > * runs on RH9 > * has Webmin modules (preferable) OR it's own web based admin interface > to replace 602 Lansuite? > > I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect > mail from the ISP. > > The idea is to continue Outlook Express usage for current e-mail > account, but transfer them to webmail over time. > All new users will use webmail. Bert, I am a happy user of Squirrel Mail for webmail. it runs against an HP-UX sendmail setup and it can run based on any mail repository with imap daemon, so you can run the whole shebang on a k12 server very happily since it comes with both pop and imap. julius From pbenson at pbenson.homelinux.com Sun Mar 7 22:53:04 2004 From: pbenson at pbenson.homelinux.com (Phil Benson) Date: Sun Mar 7 22:53:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <000601c404c1$0eb0bf00$3601a8c0@freeone> Bert, I am running an e-mail server that is using Openwebmail. It is very easy to install and configure and you can use it with outlook if you like. You can check it out at http://openwebmail.org. I run it on RH 9.0 and it is rock solid. Phil Benson http://www.embroiderynation.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Rolston" To: "K12OSN" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... > Hi folks, > > Here's my dilemma. > > I have a Windows server that is running 602 Lansuite Pro for e-mail & > internal webmail. > This has a 5 user license. There are more than 5 users require e-mail > now. > > I'm migrating said Windows server to RH 9.0 with Samba. > > Can anyone suggest a single package that will provide, > * POP / SMTP / Web mail functionality > * unlimited users > * runs on RH9 > * has Webmin modules (preferable) OR it's own web based admin interface > to replace 602 Lansuite? > > I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect > mail from the ISP. > > The idea is to continue Outlook Express usage for current e-mail > account, but transfer them to webmail over time. > All new users will use webmail. > > Thanks, > Bert > > > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Mar 7 22:59:05 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun Mar 7 22:59:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Home DNS server Message-ID: <20040307223522.6d34b279.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> I have a small home network with a total of 6 computers. They are: NAME IP ADDRESS DISCRIPTION win98 -- 192.168.0.1 A Windows 98SE, Wife's desktop computer ariel -- 192.168.0.2 A Windows 98SE, Daughters desktop computer linuxbox -- 192.168.0.3 A Debian Woody, My desktop computer thinkpad -- 192.168.0.4 My laptop (Thinkpad 380D), Morphix installed on HD / LTSP client kingpin -- 192.168.0.10 My file server, Internal web server, mp3 holder, etc. (headless) ipcop -- 192.168.0.100 My Firewall/Router (headless) They are all connected via a Netgear wireless router. Only thinkpad and ariel use the wireless, the rest are hardwired. linuxbox is the DHCP server for the network, and ipcop is my gateway. When ever ipcop recieves a DNS request, in dials my ISP (dial-up) and connects to the internet. I know that ipcop also has a DHCP server, but I turned it off so that I can use my thinkpad as a LTSP client when I want to work on my desktop without sitting at my desk. Right now if I want to connect to another machine on my network, I must use the IP address, or else ipcop receives a DNS request and dials up my ISP. As you can image this is really annoying, exspecially if my wife is using the phone when ipcop starts dialing :-( I want it so that linuxbox handles the DNS request first, then only if it does not know what to do, then sent it on to ipcop. (i.e. Typing http://kingpin does not result in ipcop dialing out and typing http://www.google.com does.) Right now, no matter which computer I am at, a DNS request is sent to ipcop. Here are some of the important parts of dhcpd.conf and hosts files from linuxbox: ************ dhcpd.conf ********************** allow booting; allow bootp; subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { use-host-decl-names on; option routers 192.168.0.100; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.3, 192.168.0.100; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; default-lease-time 3600; max-lease-time 7200; range 192.168.0.51 192.168.0.99; ************ hosts ********************** 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.0.1 win98 192.168.0.2 ariel 192.168.0.3 linuxbox 192.168.0.4 thinkpad 192.168.0.10 kingpin 192.168.0.50 router 192.168.0.100 ipcop So what do I need to do to make sure that linuxbox handles the DNS first, and if it is a local name, keep it local, otherwise sent it on to ipcop? Do I need to run another serves on linuxbox, or is it just a matter of some config files? From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 7 23:09:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun Mar 7 23:09:18 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1078719069.8435.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 21:46, Bert Rolston wrote: > I'm migrating said Windows server to RH 9.0 with Samba. > > Can anyone suggest a single package that will provide, > * POP / SMTP / Web mail functionality > * unlimited users > * runs on RH9 > * has Webmin modules (preferable) OR it's own web based admin interface > to replace 602 Lansuite? > > I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect > mail from the ISP. > > The idea is to continue Outlook Express usage for current e-mail > account, but transfer them to webmail over time. > All new users will use webmail. If you don't need X-windows or NFS on this machine you might consider using the SMEserver distribution instead of RH9. It is actually a modified RH with it's own web based management. Follow the 'downloads' link from http://www.contribs.org to find the 6.0 iso image. You can be up and running with samba/email/webmail in about half an hour and the less you know about normal Linux administration the better. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 7 23:25:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun Mar 7 23:25:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Home DNS server In-Reply-To: <20040307223522.6d34b279.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040307223522.6d34b279.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <1078720057.8435.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 21:35, Gentgeen wrote: > ************ hosts ********************** > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 192.168.0.1 win98 > 192.168.0.2 ariel > 192.168.0.3 linuxbox > 192.168.0.4 thinkpad > 192.168.0.10 kingpin > 192.168.0.50 router > 192.168.0.100 ipcop > > So what do I need to do to make sure that linuxbox handles the DNS > first, and if it is a local name, keep it local, otherwise sent it on to > ipcop? Do I need to run another serves on linuxbox, or is it just a > matter of some config files? You need to run named, configured to be the primary server (master) for some made-up domain that you use for your network and add to your dhcp options and also for the reverse domain 0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA for the number-to-name lookups. You can probably use webmin to set this up. Test the setup with 'dig' which will report the authoritative server that supplied the answer. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Sun Mar 7 23:38:01 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Sun Mar 7 23:38:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients In-Reply-To: <20040308000202.22247.14047.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000101c404c7$527bbae0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Hi all, I have been lurking in this list for about a year and have just been playing with k12ltsp more or less as a novelty. I am in the process of setting up a server (3.12) with 5 terminals at my son's school. (Very poor private christian school) My problem is that the server has a ps2 mouse, but the terminals all use serial mice. The terminals connect, but the mouse won't work. I tried editing lts.conf by changing X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" instead of "/dev/psaux" but that did not change anything. This project is my proving ground for future technology plans at my school, so I really want to make it fly. I have learned an incredible amount from this list, and look forward to the help I know is forthcoming. I am dreaming of a future with no Windows. Tim Kaldahl I.T. Coordinator Maplewood Academy Hutchinson, MN P.S. If any of you out there belong to Linux Users Group closer to me than Mankato (about one hour away), I would love to here about it. I am an hour west of Minneapolis. If there isn't one and you would like to start one I am up for that. From jam at mcquil.com Mon Mar 8 00:05:01 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 00:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients In-Reply-To: <000101c404c7$527bbae0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Message-ID: Tim, First of all, the server mouse and the workstation mouse are completely independant. It really doesn't matter what kind of mouse the server has, or even if it has a mouse at all. For the workstation, you are correct in setting the mouse port to /dev/ttyS0. But, there's a couple of things to check: 1) Make sure you set the port correctly. ttyS0 is com1, ttyS1 is com2. Try both, in case you've got it plugged into the other port. 2) Make sure your workstation is actually picking up the settings that you think. If you are specifying the X_MOUSE_DEVICE setting on a per-workstation basis, make sure the workstation knows it's own hostname. OR, use the MAC address in the brackets, ie: [00:04:50:00:01:23] instead of the hostname. Or, if all of the workstations have serial mice, you can set it in the [Default] section. 3) Make sure you get the mouse protocol set correctly. X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL you can try values like 'Microsoft', 'Logitech', 'MouseMan' and there's a bunch of others. The XFree86.org website has a listing at: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/mouse.4.html 4) To make sure the workstation is picking up the proper settings, try setting 'SCREEN_01 = shell' in the lts.conf file. Then boot the client. You should get a shell prompt. At the prompt, try typing: getltscfg -a It should show all of the settings that the workstation will use. Make sure it shows what you expect it to show. 5) Try popping into the IRC channel. #ltsp at irc.freenode.net Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been lurking in this list for about a year and have just been playing > with k12ltsp more or less as a novelty. I am in the process of setting up a > server (3.12) with 5 terminals at my son's school. (Very poor private > christian school) My problem is that the server has a ps2 mouse, but the > terminals all use serial mice. The terminals connect, but the mouse won't > work. I tried editing lts.conf by changing X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > instead of "/dev/psaux" but that did not change anything. This project is my > proving ground for future technology plans at my school, so I really want to > make it fly. > > I have learned an incredible amount from this list, and look forward to the > help I know is forthcoming. I am dreaming of a future with no Windows. > > Tim Kaldahl > I.T. Coordinator > Maplewood Academy > Hutchinson, MN > > P.S. If any of you out there belong to Linux Users Group closer to me than > Mankato (about one hour away), I would love to here about it. I am an hour > west of Minneapolis. If there isn't one and you would like to start one I am > up for that. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dean at mumby.co.za Mon Mar 8 00:32:02 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Mon Mar 8 00:32:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <404C05E0.4070900@mumby.co.za> www.qmailtoaster.com installs evrything you need as well as nice mrtg graphing and support for pop3ssl , imapssl and many more features Regards Dean Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi folks, > >Here's my dilemma. > >I have a Windows server that is running 602 Lansuite Pro for e-mail & >internal webmail. >This has a 5 user license. There are more than 5 users require e-mail >now. > >I'm migrating said Windows server to RH 9.0 with Samba. > >Can anyone suggest a single package that will provide, >* POP / SMTP / Web mail functionality >* unlimited users >* runs on RH9 >* has Webmin modules (preferable) OR it's own web based admin interface >to replace 602 Lansuite? > >I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect >mail from the ISP. > >The idea is to continue Outlook Express usage for current e-mail >account, but transfer them to webmail over time. >All new users will use webmail. > >Thanks, >Bert > > >================================== >Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. >Mobile - 027 264 0851 >================================== >Specialising in system support >alternative solutions and >Linux operating system >================================== > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From lists at wondergibbon.com Mon Mar 8 00:51:01 2004 From: lists at wondergibbon.com (lists at wondergibbon.com) Date: Mon Mar 8 00:51:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Home DNS server In-Reply-To: <20040307223522.6d34b279.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> References: <20040307223522.6d34b279.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <42435.203.18.13.2.1078725159.squirrel@www.wondergibbon.com> The way I do it (but using ClarkConnect instead of IPCop) is: Set up the DHCP server on linuxbox to assign these addresses to the same MAC addresses each time. That way, while it's still dynamic, it's static. Then set the boxes up in the hosts file on the IPCop box. Then set your IPCop box up to do hosts then DNS as the search order. Can all be done in webmin, but I don't know if you can use webmin on IPCop. MAC addresses through the DHCP tab, and hosts and search order through the network tab. Let us know if you want an example dhcp.conf And for a little bit more wireless security (not much more, since MAC addresses can be spoofed) don't let the DHCP server assign any more addresses then these. > I have a small home network with a total of 6 computers. They are: > > NAME IP ADDRESS DISCRIPTION > win98 -- 192.168.0.1 A Windows 98SE, Wife's desktop computer > ariel -- 192.168.0.2 A Windows 98SE, Daughters desktop computer > linuxbox -- 192.168.0.3 A Debian Woody, My desktop computer > thinkpad -- 192.168.0.4 My laptop (Thinkpad 380D), Morphix installed > on HD / LTSP client kingpin -- 192.168.0.10 My file server, Internal > web server, mp3 holder, etc. (headless) ipcop -- 192.168.0.100 My > Firewall/Router (headless) > > They are all connected via a Netgear wireless router. Only thinkpad and > ariel use the wireless, the rest are hardwired. > > linuxbox is the DHCP server for the network, and ipcop is my gateway. > When ever ipcop recieves a DNS request, in dials my ISP (dial-up) and > connects to the internet. I know that ipcop also has a DHCP server, but > I turned it off so that I can use my thinkpad as a LTSP client when I > want to work on my desktop without sitting at my desk. > > Right now if I want to connect to another machine on my network, I must > use the IP address, or else ipcop receives a DNS request and dials up my > ISP. As you can image this is really annoying, exspecially if my wife > is using the phone when ipcop starts dialing :-( I want it so that > linuxbox handles the DNS request first, then only if it does not know > what to do, then sent it on to ipcop. (i.e. Typing http://kingpin does > not result in ipcop dialing out and typing http://www.google.com does.) > > Right now, no matter which computer I am at, a DNS request is sent to > ipcop. Here are some of the important parts of dhcpd.conf and hosts > files from linuxbox: > > ************ dhcpd.conf ********************** > allow booting; > allow bootp; > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > use-host-decl-names on; > option routers 192.168.0.100; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.3, 192.168.0.100; > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; > default-lease-time 3600; > max-lease-time 7200; > range 192.168.0.51 192.168.0.99; > > ************ hosts ********************** > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 192.168.0.1 win98 > 192.168.0.2 ariel > 192.168.0.3 linuxbox > 192.168.0.4 thinkpad > 192.168.0.10 kingpin > 192.168.0.50 router > 192.168.0.100 ipcop > > So what do I need to do to make sure that linuxbox handles the DNS > first, and if it is a local name, keep it local, otherwise sent it on to > ipcop? Do I need to run another serves on linuxbox, or is it just a > matter of some config files? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Mar 8 00:58:00 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon Mar 8 00:58:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients In-Reply-To: <000101c404c7$527bbae0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> References: <000101c404c7$527bbae0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Message-ID: <1078725575.18564.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:09, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > christian school) My problem is that the server has a ps2 mouse, but the > terminals all use serial mice. The terminals connect, but the mouse won't > work. I tried editing lts.conf by changing X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > instead of "/dev/psaux" but that did not change anything. This project is my Try the following in the [wsxxx] X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" The two lines together will work or if you have really different mouse then look up lts.conf.readme on all the driver options available. Also see it is really /devttyS0 and not /dev/ttyS1 HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi Mon Mar 8 01:58:00 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Mon Mar 8 01:58:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authentication on K12 ltsp 4] Message-ID: <404C19DB.1050604@edu.hel.fi> Sorry to ask again: I'm not able to set proper configuration with the graphical interface. So I would need help with the configuration. mikkoj -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP authentication on K12 ltsp 4 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:14:23 +0200 From: Mikko Jordman Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com To: k12osn at redhat.com As a beginner, I have not succeeded to use our LDAP-server for user authentication. Instead, I managed to make myself unable to log in as root... What file, where and what should be there in that file? Sorry to write this kind of stupidity, but I have a server working and migrating from Win95/98 to LTSP depends only on this thing (primary school 320 pupils, 30 adults, all have user acounts on the LDAP alreay - by the way, I'?m the enthusiastic principal, not the IT support. So, the good thing is, on't have to convince the headmaster :) Sorry about my poor English and Linux skills! Mikko Jordman, Siltam?ki Primary School, Helsinki Finlnd _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 8 02:48:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 8 02:48:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:46, Bert Rolston wrote: > > I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect > mail from the ISP. Bert, use fetchmail to scoop mail from offsite pop boxes. Simply create /home/user/.fetchmailrc with the following contents ; poll pop.isp.net.nz protocol pop3 user popusername pass poppassword Now, as user 'user' execute fetchmail -d300 and fetchmail will background and check that popbox every 5 minutes. easy. Fetchmail is just bees knees for grabbing popmail. /steve From I.Derks at translucent.nl Mon Mar 8 05:24:08 2004 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Mon Mar 8 05:24:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078741594.4480.1.camel@rhas-ltsp4.translucent.nl> Op zo 07-03-2004, om 23:24 schreef Eric Harrison: We're in the proces of setting up a RHAS (edu version) testbed with your K12LTSP 4.0 EL packages and will report in the process. Thanks for the great work! Immanuel > It has been four weeks since I posted K12LTSP 4.0 EL test packages. > > I see quite a few people have downloaded these, but I have yet to > receive feedback. > > I would really love to know people's experiences and opinions. Was > it easy enough to install, did you run into any bugs or annoyances, > etc, etc. I would like to know the good, the bad, and the ugly! > > I don't want to release these packages as "stable" when I don't have > the slightest idea if they are indeed stable or not... > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- T R A N S L U C E N T S Y S T E M S -The Linux Engineers From Amsterdam- Tel: +31 [0]20 7760327 Fax: +31 [0]20 7798469 EMail: info at translucent.nl From aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org Mon Mar 8 08:16:01 2004 From: aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Mon Mar 8 08:16:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] web-based db tools In-Reply-To: <030620040029.20500.16fc@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <688667484.1078725458@[10.2.60.5]> >>We use phpesp (http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpesp/) for surveys and >>teacher evaluation, etc. It works quite well. It requires php and MySQL. Ditto that. phpESP works well. Tom V. From mail at beachmail.ca Mon Mar 8 09:08:03 2004 From: mail at beachmail.ca (David Beach) Date: Mon Mar 8 09:08:03 2004 Subject: Success! was [K12OSN] Client Display/Boot Problem Message-ID: Thanks for the help, guys. I now have a 'proof of concept' (for me!) server and one client system operating! I used Jim's 'grey screen page' info to sort out the grey screen problem and all seems to work. Or, at least enough that I can fiddle around with LTSP. (I am still having some problems with the 'up2date' feature of Fedora...but that's for another day.) >From the standpoint of a non-technical user, I look forward to the day of easier installation and more graphical interfaces to 'fiddle' with the bits that need fiddling. BUT, the fact that I got it going at all with as few problems as I did is a real tribute the the people who have written this software. Thanks again. David From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 8 09:42:00 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Mar 8 09:42:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients In-Reply-To: <000101c404c7$527bbae0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> References: <000101c404c7$527bbae0$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Message-ID: <404C86C1.2080003@maltzen.net> Yay, another Minnesota LTSP user! By my count, that makes at least five of us: Bob K. and me in the TC, Jim K.in Winona, Chris B.in Duluth (haven't heard from him in a while--Chris, you still out there?) and now Tim! And I think there some folks nearby in Wisconsin. I'm keeping track because I'd love to have a 'regional conference' here some time similar to what the folks in Maine did last fall. Eric & Jim McQ.: What's your minimum quota of attendees to justify making a trip to Minneapolis or Duluth? As to serial mice, I, too, am running k12ltsp ver 3.1.2 at home, and most of my client machines use serial mice. Here's the chunk of settings from lts.conf for one old box: [00:60:8c:c2:55:2a] # this is art, NIC is a 3c509 X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync You have to set the protocol AND the port. And you may have to fool around with the port, trying ttyS0, ttyS1, etc. I've got one goofball client that if I plug the mouse into COM1 and specify ttyS0 it won't work; but if I specify ttyS1 it will work (and yes, I'm sure I've got it connected to the correct port--I spent a lot of time fooling around with that one). The point is, on older hardware, sometimes you have to do a lot of trial and error because things don't always work as they should. The Twin Cities Linux User Group (www.tclug.org) meets the first Saturday of the month, usually of the U of M campus. That's probably about the same distance for you as Mankato, I suspect. Petre Tim Kaldahl wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been lurking in this list for about a year and have just been playing > with k12ltsp more or less as a novelty. I am in the process of setting up a > server (3.12) with 5 terminals at my son's school. (Very poor private > christian school) My problem is that the server has a ps2 mouse, but the > terminals all use serial mice. The terminals connect, but the mouse won't > work. I tried editing lts.conf by changing X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > instead of "/dev/psaux" but that did not change anything. This project is my > proving ground for future technology plans at my school, so I really want to > make it fly. > > I have learned an incredible amount from this list, and look forward to the > help I know is forthcoming. I am dreaming of a future with no Windows. > > Tim Kaldahl > I.T. Coordinator > Maplewood Academy > Hutchinson, MN > > P.S. If any of you out there belong to Linux Users Group closer to me than > Mankato (about one hour away), I would love to here about it. I am an hour > west of Minneapolis. If there isn't one and you would like to start one I am > up for that. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 8 09:47:01 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon Mar 8 09:47:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Audacity Message-ID: <404C8818.60800@maltzen.net> Does anyone have audacity running? I'm trying to get it running on my k12ltsp 3.1.2 server. I got the tar file from the audacity website, but when I try to run it, it says it can't find libmod.so.0, and neither can I. I found an rpm of a dev version of libmod but that won't install without the regular libmod.so. And both yum and apt-get say they can't find a package named audacity. Petre From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 8 09:48:03 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon Mar 8 09:48:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007e01c4051c$dcab3f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Eric, I have a dual processor box that was flakey with the first release of Fedora. I would test the new package on it but don't know where to get it. Let me know where it is and I will try it out. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:25 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL It has been four weeks since I posted K12LTSP 4.0 EL test packages. I see quite a few people have downloaded these, but I have yet to receive feedback. I would really love to know people's experiences and opinions. Was it easy enough to install, did you run into any bugs or annoyances, etc, etc. I would like to know the good, the bad, and the ugly! I don't want to release these packages as "stable" when I don't have the slightest idea if they are indeed stable or not... -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Mar 8 11:16:02 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon Mar 8 11:16:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404C9C1D.6050006@msln.net> Over 300 ft will cause all sorts of quirky errors. My sonic wall would lockup multiple times throughout the day. (ie)Shortened the length of cable and I have not had any problems since. Mark Jim Christiansen wrote: > I know I'm shooting in the dark but my school needs some new ideas > again :-) > > My son is doing a Science Fair Project on clustered computers and has > everything functioning just fine and looks like he may make it to the > nationals with his angle using open mosix. > > He wanted to run a series of seti jobs on one of my labs that is > k12ltsp based but using a bunch of knoppix-cluster cds to come up with > some really impressive numbers (and for the fun of it). > > What he discovered was that of 14 network drops, only three > consistently returned errors:0 dropped:0. All of the others after > running for only a minute or so were ifconfiging errors:25 dropped:150 > or worse. This is on the exact same machines that work steadily > through every school day as k12ltsp clients w-i-t-h one or two random > freeze-ups each day. > > Our technician has been in the school recently and has added a couple > new long runs to switches 300 feet away from the main gear in our > network. I don't think that a network tester was used to check the > new runs... > > Is it possible that these errors be caused by new but faulty distant > network runs? Or, is this a problem that is more likely local to a bad > switch the library boxes are hooked to? > > Please feel free to bring out the crystal balls for this one! > > Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get > 2months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 74 School Street Unity, Maine 04988 207-948-6142 gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 8 11:31:13 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon Mar 8 11:31:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... In-Reply-To: <404C9C1D.6050006@msln.net> Message-ID: <008e01c4052b$379327e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> If you have a tester that is capable check the length of the run. Anything over 300ft violates TIA/EIA 568 standards and requires a some sort of repeater inline to retime and regenerate the signals or you will have problems. If possible you may also want test the line for noise, a run that long will be more sensitive to flourescent lights and horizontal power runs. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 10:15 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Network Error Troubles Again ... Over 300 ft will cause all sorts of quirky errors. My sonic wall would lockup multiple times throughout the day. (ie)Shortened the length of cable and I have not had any problems since. Mark Jim Christiansen wrote: > I know I'm shooting in the dark but my school needs some new ideas > again :-) > > My son is doing a Science Fair Project on clustered computers and has > everything functioning just fine and looks like he may make it to the > nationals with his angle using open mosix. > > He wanted to run a series of seti jobs on one of my labs that is > k12ltsp based but using a bunch of knoppix-cluster cds to come up with > some really impressive numbers (and for the fun of it). > > What he discovered was that of 14 network drops, only three > consistently returned errors:0 dropped:0. All of the others after > running for only a minute or so were ifconfiging errors:25 dropped:150 > or worse. This is on the exact same machines that work steadily > through every school day as k12ltsp clients w-i-t-h one or two random > freeze-ups each day. > > Our technician has been in the school recently and has added a couple > new long runs to switches 300 feet away from the main gear in our > network. I don't think that a network tester was used to check the > new runs... > > Is it possible that these errors be caused by new but faulty distant > network runs? Or, is this a problem that is more likely local to a bad > switch the library boxes are hooked to? > > Please feel free to bring out the crystal balls for this one! > > Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get > 2months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU =http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 74 School Street Unity, Maine 04988 207-948-6142 gumprechtm at msln.net _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Mar 8 12:12:00 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon Mar 8 12:12:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) Message-ID: Tony Baldwin wrote: > Hey, > > What do any of you guys use to import photos from a digicamera? > I just got one, a Nikon Coolpix 4300. > gtkam didn't detect it, and lists only up to the coolpix 880 (which is > very similar to this, but only 3.2 mp, whereas this is 4.o mp) > iPhoto on my iBook got it right away, but I'd like to be able to > import them here (to my k12 box). Dear Tony, Someone already suggested mounting the camera as a disk and getting the pictures off that way. That should work, but they didn't say how to do it, and in case you haven't already searched it out through Google, I may be able to help. Here are a couple of very simple scripts I wrote that you can modify to fit your setup, then make executable and create launchers for. (I keep them in /usr/local/bin) The parts that you'll need to change are the references to your home directory, and username. The script also assumes there is a directory in your home directory named 'pictures'. You may also need to create the 'camera' directory in /mnt/ Finally, you'll need the change the line that says: cp /mnt/camera/dcim/100hp320/*.jpg to be correct for your camera. For example, since it's a Nikon Coolpix 4300, it's unlikely that as you traverse the /mnt/camera/ directory you would encounter the 100hp320/ directory. The way you can set this correctly is to first try this line in a terminal (as root) mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera if things mount correctly, then navigate the /mnt/camera/ directory and take note of the further directories you pass through to get to the directory where all the .jpg files are. 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I set things up so I have one server for home directories, DHCP, tftp, LDAP, DNS, dialup (in africa, y'know) and multiple Application servers. I have been asked to do the 'automatic' thing, but I prefer to have the users do it. I use X -indirect instead of X -query in the rc scripts, and the chooser displays all the computers, labelled with their load average. Pick one. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Mar 8 12:27:05 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon Mar 8 12:27:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs:server In-Reply-To: <52687.10.1.2.253.1077558911.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <52687.10.1.2.253.1077558911.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <20040308153220.GB8146@wizzy.com> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Reba Howard wrote: > I'm having a problem getting some of my terminals to boot. They keep saying, > > nfs:server (name of server) not responding still trying. > > It says this even when I move the terminal to a different server and even > subnet. It is only happening on a few terminals. Can anyone help? I get this sometimes with RTL8029 10Mbit cards in the client. Change the cards. Cheers, Andy! From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 8 12:36:22 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon Mar 8 12:36:22 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 11:13, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera Note that it won't be /dev/sda1 for everyone. USB storage devices are detected as scsi drives but the name assigned will be after any existing scsi drives or previously detected USB devices. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at rossberry.com Mon Mar 8 13:16:05 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Mon Mar 8 13:16:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <404CAD26.4060704@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404887E7.5060302@www.rpmhealthstop.org> <4048C972.4040100@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <4048F0AD.2080909@www.rpmhealthstop.org> <404CAD26.4060704@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Michael Elliott wrote: > My question is do I have to change something in the squid.conf file to > allow all to pass to squidGuard? I did change my /etc/squid/squid.conf > file to read at the bottom: > redirect_program /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/SquidGuard.conf Probably squid.conf. Search for "acl" at the beginning of a line and http_access. Squid is configured to deny all to start with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 8 13:29:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 8 13:29:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1078770640.9280.3.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 06:33, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 11:13, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > > > mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera > > Note that it won't be /dev/sda1 for everyone. USB storage devices > are detected as scsi drives but the name assigned will be after > any existing scsi drives or previously detected USB devices. simply `tail -f /var/log/messages` and unplug and re-plug the camera, and the kernel will tell all. /steve From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 8 14:01:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon Mar 8 14:01:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: <007e01c4051c$dcab3f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007e01c4051c$dcab3f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1078772572.3733.12.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 06:51, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Eric, I have a dual processor box that was flakey with the first release > of Fedora. I would test the new package on it but don't know where to > get it. Let me know where it is and I will try it out. You can download the instructions and packages at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/EL3/ -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:25 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL > > > > It has been four weeks since I posted K12LTSP 4.0 EL test packages. > > I see quite a few people have downloaded these, but I have yet to > receive feedback. > > I would really love to know people's experiences and opinions. Was it > easy enough to install, did you run into any bugs or annoyances, etc, > etc. I would like to know the good, the bad, and the ugly! > > I don't want to release these packages as "stable" when I don't have the > slightest idea if they are indeed stable or not... > > -Eric > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Coordinator Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Mon Mar 8 14:11:15 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Mon Mar 8 14:11:15 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404CC5B8.2070703@glenwood.k12.mo.us> John Pace wrote: > Richard, > > When you say all computers in your network use this boxes IP as their > gateway, you mean the "green" NIC, right? > >>From the client should I be able to ping DG? > > This is what I have so far: > > -internet feed coming into the Squid/DG box on NIC 192.168.1.60 > > -Network leaves Squid/DG box on other NIC, 192.168.1.61 and goes to 8 port > switch. > > -one client connected to switch. > > Squid configured: Proxy address 127.0.0.1 port 3128 > > DG Configured: Filter IP/Port: 192.168.1.61:8080, Proxy IP/Port: > 127.0.0.1:3128 > > Client GW/DNS is the firewall (192.168.1.99), Should I change the client GW > to 192.168.1.61? DNS the same? Or leave them pointing to firewall? I have > tried both ways, neither worked. > > NIC configs on the Squid/DG box: > eth0: IP 192.168.1.60, GW 192.168.1.99 (firewall) > eth1: IP 192.168.1.61, GW 192.168.1.99 (firewall) > > Thanks! > > John > sorry for the time to reply. i've been swamped and i'm just coming up for air right now. did you get this resolved yet? i think i saw someone post about the http_access part of squid.conf. that sounds like the solution to me. give it a shot. keep us posted online. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Mon Mar 8 15:05:02 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:05:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients In-Reply-To: <20040308065800.6615.14052.Mailman@listman.back-rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000201c40548$db229f40$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Thankyou Jim and Sudev for the help on this. It turns out that the mouse was the problem. That will teach me to double check items from the scrap bin. I also had to change the X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" to get smooth mouse movements. I will be spending some time with the teachers at the school to train them on the system now. I have always been hesitant about installing Linux because the nearest professional tech support is an hour away, but hopefully this will prove to be smooth and stable. Even if the system goes down once or twice a year we will be ahead on support cost, time and effort. Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy I.T. Coordinator >Message: 8 >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:06:40 -0500 (EST) >From: jam at mcquil.com >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Tim, > >First of all, the server mouse and the workstation mouse are >completely independant. It really doesn't matter what kind of >mouse the server has, or even if it has a mouse at all. > >For the workstation, you are correct in setting the mouse >port to /dev/ttyS0. But, there's a couple of things to >check: > >1) Make sure you set the port correctly. ttyS0 is com1, ttyS1 is com2. > Try both, in case you've got it plugged into the other port. > >2) Make sure your workstation is actually picking up the settings that > you think. > > If you are specifying the X_MOUSE_DEVICE setting on a per-workstation > basis, make sure the workstation knows it's own hostname. OR, > use the MAC address in the brackets, ie: [00:04:50:00:01:23] > instead of the hostname. > > Or, if all of the workstations have serial mice, you can set it > in the [Default] section. > >3) Make sure you get the mouse protocol set correctly. X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL > you can try values like 'Microsoft', 'Logitech', 'MouseMan' and > there's a bunch of others. The XFree86.org website has a listing > at: > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/mouse.4.html > >4) To make sure the workstation is picking up the proper settings, > try setting 'SCREEN_01 = shell' in the lts.conf file. Then boot > the client. You should get a shell prompt. At the prompt, > try typing: > > getltscfg -a > > It should show all of the settings that the workstation will use. > Make sure it shows what you expect it to show. > >5) Try popping into the IRC channel. #ltsp at irc.freenode.net > > >Hope that helps, > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > > >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have been lurking in this list for about a year and have just been playing >> with k12ltsp more or less as a novelty. I am in the process of setting up a >> server (3.12) with 5 terminals at my son's school. (Very poor private >> christian school) My problem is that the server has a ps2 mouse, but the >> terminals all use serial mice. The terminals connect, but the mouse won't >> work. I tried editing lts.conf by changing X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" >> instead of "/dev/psaux" but that did not change anything. This project is my >> proving ground for future technology plans at my school, so I really want to >> make it fly. >> >> I have learned an incredible amount from this list, and look forward to the >> help I know is forthcoming. I am dreaming of a future with no Windows. >> >> Tim Kaldahl >> I.T. Coordinator >> Maplewood Academy >> Hutchinson, MN >> >> P.S. If any of you out there belong to Linux Users Group closer to me than >> Mankato (about one hour away), I would love to here about it. I am an hour >> west of Minneapolis. If there isn't one and you would like to start one I am >> up for that. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 8 15:33:01 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:33:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078778133.22470.96.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 14:24, Eric Harrison wrote: > I would really love to know people's experiences and opinions. Was > it easy enough to install, did you run into any bugs or annoyances, > etc, etc. I would like to know the good, the bad, and the ugly! >From ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/EL3/README Step 7: Says to "yum install k12ltsp-utilities". The package in RPMS.meta is called k12ltsp-utils. Step 8: /opt/tsp/templates/k12ltsp/K12Linux-initialized should read: /opt/tsp/templates/k12ltsp/K12Linux-initialize I think you're looking good if all I can do is find typos in the docs! ;-) -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Mar 8 15:34:04 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:34:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients Message-ID: <030820042036.21144.27b5@comcast.net> Tim, I wouldn't be "exceptionally" concerned about the system just 'going down' (At least with 3.1.2). Once K12LTSP is set up and working, it really tends to just stay that way. I did implement the purge users script that Eric put together since otherwise the servers would start having problems with logins after a month or so (failed Mozilla sessions, unclean logouts, zombie processes). Also, I have a script that looks for core files (mostly created when NCS teachers just kill rdesktop, I think, possibly other packages) which runs each night via cron to clean up these files (which use ~50Mb each!) in home directories prior to my rsync backup running. At NCS, the only OS-specific issues that have come up are with the performance of the Windows Terminal Server, not the Linux systems. A bigger issue is the 'How do I do this in Linux when in Windows it was ....' which does seem to come up much more often. I have had several issues with word documents not opening with the exact format that they formatted in MS Word. Also, the lack of a Macromedia shockwave player is an issue I haven't resolved. CrossOver plugin didn't work when I installed the demo/evaluation copy and I haven't had any luck getting tech support from them. If you get ssh access to the servers (I can't get this to NCS's, state/DOE firewall regs), things should be golden. I am only able to get to the school on Friday's (parent volunteer) and things have moved along rather well, although alot of the stuff that would be neat to implement hasn't occurred yet (need more time, or less sleep). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware > Thankyou Jim and Sudev for the help on this. It turns out that the mouse was > the problem. That will teach me to double check items from the scrap bin. I > also had to change the X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" to get smooth mouse > movements. > > I will be spending some time with the teachers at the school to train them > on the system now. I have always been hesitant about installing Linux > because the nearest professional tech support is an hour away, but hopefully > this will prove to be smooth and stable. Even if the system goes down once > or twice a year we will be ahead on support cost, time and effort. > > > Tim Kaldahl > Maplewood Academy > I.T. Coordinator > > > >Message: 8 > >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:06:40 -0500 (EST) > >From: jam at mcquil.com > >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: Serial Mouse on Clients > >Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > >Tim, > > > >First of all, the server mouse and the workstation mouse are > >completely independant. It really doesn't matter what kind of > >mouse the server has, or even if it has a mouse at all. > > > >For the workstation, you are correct in setting the mouse > >port to /dev/ttyS0. But, there's a couple of things to > >check: > > > >1) Make sure you set the port correctly. ttyS0 is com1, ttyS1 is com2. > > Try both, in case you've got it plugged into the other port. > > > >2) Make sure your workstation is actually picking up the settings that > > you think. > > > > If you are specifying the X_MOUSE_DEVICE setting on a per-workstation > > basis, make sure the workstation knows it's own hostname. OR, > > use the MAC address in the brackets, ie: [00:04:50:00:01:23] > > instead of the hostname. > > > > Or, if all of the workstations have serial mice, you can set it > > in the [Default] section. > > > >3) Make sure you get the mouse protocol set correctly. X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL > > you can try values like 'Microsoft', 'Logitech', 'MouseMan' and > > there's a bunch of others. The XFree86.org website has a listing > > at: > > > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/mouse.4.html > > > >4) To make sure the workstation is picking up the proper settings, > > try setting 'SCREEN_01 = shell' in the lts.conf file. Then boot > > the client. You should get a shell prompt. At the prompt, > > try typing: > > > > getltscfg -a > > > > It should show all of the settings that the workstation will use. > > Make sure it shows what you expect it to show. > > > >5) Try popping into the IRC channel. #ltsp at irc.freenode.net > > > > > >Hope that helps, > > > >Jim McQuillan > >jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have been lurking in this list for about a year and have just been > playing > >> with k12ltsp more or less as a novelty. I am in the process of setting up > a > >> server (3.12) with 5 terminals at my son's school. (Very poor private > >> christian school) My problem is that the server has a ps2 mouse, but the > >> terminals all use serial mice. The terminals connect, but the mouse won't > >> work. I tried editing lts.conf by changing X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > >> instead of "/dev/psaux" but that did not change anything. This project is > my > >> proving ground for future technology plans at my school, so I really want > to > >> make it fly. > >> > >> I have learned an incredible amount from this list, and look forward to > the > >> help I know is forthcoming. I am dreaming of a future with no Windows. > >> > >> Tim Kaldahl > >> I.T. Coordinator > >> Maplewood Academy > >> Hutchinson, MN > >> > >> P.S. If any of you out there belong to Linux Users Group closer to me > than > >> Mankato (about one hour away), I would love to here about it. I am an > hour > >> west of Minneapolis. If there isn't one and you would like to start one I > am > >> up for that. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 8 15:44:04 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:44:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078719069.8435.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078719069.8435.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1078778698.1366.3.camel@rolston.localdomain> Thanks Les, Server is already in place. Not a good look to go changing now. :-( I've got 56K modem for my internet connection, so downloading anything above 20MB becomes very long and drawn out. I operate from home and the step kids would rebel if I used the phone for 3 days! Cheers, Bert On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 17:11, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 21:46, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > I'm migrating said Windows server to RH 9.0 with Samba. > > > > Can anyone suggest a single package that will provide, > > * POP / SMTP / Web mail functionality > > * unlimited users > > * runs on RH9 > > * has Webmin modules (preferable) OR it's own web based admin interface > > to replace 602 Lansuite? > > > > I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect > > mail from the ISP. > > > > The idea is to continue Outlook Express usage for current e-mail > > account, but transfer them to webmail over time. > > All new users will use webmail. > > If you don't need X-windows or NFS on this machine you might > consider using the SMEserver distribution instead of RH9. > It is actually a modified RH with it's own web based > management. Follow the 'downloads' link from > http://www.contribs.org to find the 6.0 iso image. You > can be up and running with samba/email/webmail in about > half an hour and the less you know about normal Linux administration > the better. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 8 15:45:01 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:45:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078778919.1366.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Steve, So fetchmail gets the goods. Then I can front end this with Squirrelmail? Sounds like the goods to me. Will OE have a fit accessing this? Unfortunately I have to work in a bi-IT world! Cheers, Bert On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 20:50, Steve Wright wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:46, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > > > I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect > > mail from the ISP. > > > Bert, > > use fetchmail to scoop mail from offsite pop boxes. > > Simply create /home/user/.fetchmailrc with the following contents ; > > poll pop.isp.net.nz > protocol pop3 > user popusername > pass poppassword > > > Now, as user 'user' execute fetchmail -d300 and fetchmail will > background and check that popbox every 5 minutes. easy. > > Fetchmail is just bees knees for grabbing popmail. > > > /steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 8 15:45:05 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon Mar 8 15:45:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <1078779563.1398.13.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Steve, Another question. Does it automagically create each user's mailbox, or does it queue all the messages? I'll have about 8 users all collecting from the ISP mailbag. EG. user1 at orgdomain.org.nz, user2..... user3... and so on. They have their own domain name being hosted by the ISP. I like the choice, but oh to get the best fit for the customer. Cheers, Bert On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 20:50, Steve Wright wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:46, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > > > I've installed Squirrelmail, but I can't figure out how it would collect > > mail from the ISP. > > > Bert, > > use fetchmail to scoop mail from offsite pop boxes. > > Simply create /home/user/.fetchmailrc with the following contents ; > > poll pop.isp.net.nz > protocol pop3 > user popusername > pass poppassword > > > Now, as user 'user' execute fetchmail -d300 and fetchmail will > background and check that popbox every 5 minutes. easy. > > Fetchmail is just bees knees for grabbing popmail. > > > /steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Mon Mar 8 17:09:01 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon Mar 8 17:09:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard Message-ID: <404CEF60.3050808@www.rpmhealthstop.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at rossberry.com Mon Mar 8 17:45:01 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Mon Mar 8 17:45:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <404CEF60.3050808@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404CEF60.3050808@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Michael Elliott wrote: > OK, now I may be getting somewhere. Using Jim's advice I was able to > allow and deny access for my client from squid.conf. Unfortunately, I am > allowed to go to the different black lists that are included w/ > squidGuard blacklists. Assuming that squid is redirecting to > squidGuard correctly, I need to figure out what is causing this issue. > Tomorrow I plan on checking out squidGuard.conf and see if I have missed > something. If anyone has any additional suggestions or ideas of where to > look, please let me know. Thanks again to all that have already offered > advice and hopefully with your help I'll get this figured out! Find the squidguard log file (/var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log) and check for errors. If there are syntax errors, sg's default is to let everything through. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 8 17:48:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 8 17:48:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078778919.1366.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078778919.1366.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1078786201.11833.9.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 10:01, Bert Rolston wrote: > So fetchmail gets the goods. fetchmail collects email from a pop3 (and other protocols) server, and deposits it in the unix mail spools. > Then I can front end this with Squirrelmail? squirrelmail is front end for the unix mail spools, among others IIRC. > Will OE have a fit accessing this? Sorry, I know nothing about OE. (rant deleted) > Does it automagically create each user's mailbox, or does it queue all > the messages? I don't know - it should just work. I have found that accessing the mail with a local (to the server) mail client removes that email from the spool (and places it in /home/user/mail????). If you need multiple remote email clients then I strongly suggest IMAP, however OE will probably take issue with that too (rant withheld). HTH, Steve From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 8 18:28:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon Mar 8 18:28:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future Message-ID: Eric and all, I'm getting prepared for this summer's implementation of Samba/LDAP plus I have a bunch of folks who want me to teach them how to do it. My set up works fine, but it's fairly simple....not that I want more complex, but others may. First of all, where are your latest Samba/LDAP files and have you tested them with Fedora? Second....have you or do you have Samba/LDAP set up in such a way that you have a master and many slaves? Example: Let's say a school district has 4 schools....and they're geographically seperated by a few miles or so....connected by T1. Is it possible to essentially have one "district-wide" domain that can be accessed locally or via VPN from any of the 4 buildings? Maybe in that Master-Slave mode? Say you had a staff member that works between two schools....how could you make the same desktop and so forth accessible from either school for that person without necessarily retreiving the "profile" over a T1. Could we have a master server that all the local slaves would sync to and thus propagate specified users to the other slaves? (just dreaming....seeing flaws in my proposals already) ;-) I need to get my mind around the groups and so forth in Samba/LDAP....I need to refine my own system some more....right now I have staff...and users....and that's it. Also...what do you use to import users in bulk to the system? I use a script that Barry Smoke gave to me and it works fine....do you simply create the users with something like createusers and then convert them? Or what? I'd like to find a simpler way to do this.....createusers works great....it'd be cool if you could simply create the users as you normally would and then somehow convert them into "LDAP" users. Arrggghhh! I simply don't understand the whole LDAP thing well enough. Time to dive in and teach myself. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 8 20:05:01 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon Mar 8 20:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078786201.11833.9.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078778919.1366.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078786201.11833.9.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <2015.10.130.1.124.1078794612.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Steve Wright said: > On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 10:01, Bert Rolston wrote: >> Then I can front end this with Squirrelmail? > > squirrelmail is front end for the unix mail spools, among others IIRC. Squirrelmail is a PHP-based IMAP client. Gotta have an IMAP server for it to talk to. I don't think it will deal w/ a mbox file. You could use uw-imap (long history of security issues) or dovecot (rather new, but sounds good), which is present in Fedora Core 1, but not RH9, IIRC. Why install a Redhat 9 box a month and a half before it's getting EOLed? -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Mar 8 20:12:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon Mar 8 20:12:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> Actually, I DID use /dev/sda1, but I don't use that full command at terminal. I editied /etc/fstab to reflect what I wanted and now all I do is % mount /mnt/flash and it mounts the camera/flash card. My line edit to /etc/fstab was: /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 tony Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 11:13, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > > >>mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera > > > Note that it won't be /dev/sda1 for everyone. USB storage devices > are detected as scsi drives but the name assigned will be after > any existing scsi drives or previously detected USB devices. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 8 20:28:03 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 8 20:28:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <2015.10.130.1.124.1078794612.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078778919.1366.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078786201.11833.9.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <2015.10.130.1.124.1078794612.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1078795808.15357.2.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 14:10, Dan Young wrote: > Steve Wright said: > > On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 10:01, Bert Rolston wrote: > >> Then I can front end this with Squirrelmail? > > > > squirrelmail is front end for the unix mail spools, among others IIRC. > > Squirrelmail is a PHP-based IMAP client. Gotta have an IMAP server for > it to talk to. I don't think it will deal w/ a mbox file. woops, thanks for that. here's me stating my opinion when I don't know jack about it.. 8-/ From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Mon Mar 8 20:30:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Mon Mar 8 20:30:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: digicam import application? (gtkam doesn't detect Nikon Coolpix 4300) In-Reply-To: <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> Message-ID: <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 14:13, anthony baldwin wrote: > Actually, I DID use /dev/sda1, but I don't use that full command at > terminal. I editied /etc/fstab to reflect what I wanted and now all I > do is > % mount /mnt/flash > and it mounts the camera/flash card. > My line edit to /etc/fstab was: > /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 a bit more magic incantation in /etc/fstab and a desktop right-click is all that is required. `man fstab` /steve From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 20:50:01 2004 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Mon Mar 8 20:50:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: I've been using the combination of postfix,imap(uw), and squirrelmail on RH8 with success for over a year. I'm in the process of migrating, using the K12LTSP 4.0.0 CD's to Fedora1/postfix/imap(UW) and squirrelmail. I just got it up in test mode today. All the needed packages are included on the CD's. postfix is the postoffice, imap is an interface for accessing messages at the postoffice, and squirrelmail is the web interface that uses imap to display messages at the postoffice. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Mon Mar 8 21:27:05 2004 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Mon Mar 8 21:27:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba3 roaming profiles/webmin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We recently migrated from RH8/samba2/linuxconf to Fedora1/samba3/webmail. I discovered that when adding a new user via webmail (or for that matter adduser and smbpasswd), the roaming profile directory for the user is not created and must be done manually. I think that I've verified this is the way that samba3 works. Does anyone have a script or procedure to do this and to remove the profile directory when the user is deleted. Is this an easy item to add to webmin? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From ssanders at coin.org Mon Mar 8 22:26:01 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Mon Mar 8 22:26:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] bandwidth mercy... In-Reply-To: <1078778698.1366.3.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078719069.8435.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1078778698.1366.3.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1078802858.4075.4.camel@ltsp.bofh> i have an old request for mailing list etiquette? it will help the bandwidth of the server, and for the poor mortals (i am one) that occasionally have to read this list via dialup... if there is a response to a message with 40 lines of quoted msg, and a one-line reply? (and then replies to replies) it represents redundant bandwidth wasteage (again). if we leave enough of a reply to make it relevant then dump/snip the rest, it would ease the bytes sent, no matter what the connection. From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 9 01:07:01 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 9 01:07:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] bandwidth mercy... In-Reply-To: <1078802858.4075.4.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078719069.8435.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1078778698.1366.3.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078802858.4075.4.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: <1078812520.18715.10.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:27, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > [....] it will help the bandwidth of the server, and for the poor mortals (i am > one) that occasionally have to read this list via dialup... > > if there is a response to a message with 40 lines of quoted msg, and a > one-line reply? (and then replies to replies) it represents redundant > bandwidth wasteage (again). > > if we leave enough of a reply to make it relevant then dump/snip the > rest, it would ease the bytes sent, no matter what the connection. Those with a GUI please try out the key combination "shift-ctrl-end" followed by the delete key. This will instantly remove all text below the cursor. Take some care of the ctrl-alt-del key combo however, as your email will not be sent! Here in rural New Zealand, electric stock fencing wreaks havoc with dialup, so I have been where you are at (I have ADSL now and the relief is palpable.) Care during presentation is easily and readily perceived as care for the reader, and a little bit of that goes a long way. best, Steve From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Mar 9 09:00:04 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue Mar 9 09:00:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future Message-ID: <030920041402.25539.2d1a@comcast.net> David, I am facing the same issue at NCS this summer (Samba 3 migration with LDAP). I have a friend here at work (in my paying job) that has volunteered to try and add a Batch LDAP Add function to the LDAP Users option in Webmin interface which works the same way as the Batch add option in the Create Users function in Webmin. I just have to get him the relevant perl scripts to look at so he can make the mods. There are probably other ways, but I 'like' being able to just click a button in a GUI somedays. Hopefully, this won't take that long (a week). Will let you (and the list) know how it turns out. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware > Eric and all, > > > > I'm getting prepared for this summer's implementation of Samba/LDAP plus I > have a bunch of folks who want me to teach them how to do it. My set up > works fine, but it's fairly simple....not that I want more complex, but > others may. First of all, where are your latest Samba/LDAP files and have > you tested them with Fedora? Second....have you or do you have Samba/LDAP > set up in such a way that you have a master and many slaves? Example: > Let's say a school district has 4 schools....and they're geographically > seperated by a few miles or so....connected by T1. Is it possible to > essentially have one "district-wide" domain that can be accessed locally > or via VPN from any of the 4 buildings? Maybe in that Master-Slave mode? > Say you had a staff member that works between two schools....how could you > make the same desktop and so forth accessible from either school for that > person without necessarily retreiving the "profile" over a T1. Could we > have a master server that all the local slaves would sync to and thus > propagate specified users to the other slaves? (just dreaming....seeing > flaws in my proposals already) ;-) > > I need to get my mind around the groups and so forth in Samba/LDAP....I > need to refine my own system some more....right now I have staff...and > users....and that's it. Also...what do you use to import users in bulk to > the system? I use a script that Barry Smoke gave to me and it works > fine....do you simply create the users with something like createusers and > then convert them? Or what? I'd like to find a simpler way to do > this.....createusers works great....it'd be cool if you could simply > create the users as you normally would and then somehow convert them into > "LDAP" users. Arrggghhh! I simply don't understand the whole LDAP thing > well enough. Time to dive in and teach myself. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Mar 9 09:15:01 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Tue Mar 9 09:15:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404DD1E6.3070802@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >Eric and all, > > > >I'm getting prepared for this summer's implementation of Samba/LDAP plus I >have a bunch of folks who want me to teach them how to do it. My set up >works fine, but it's fairly simple....not that I want more complex, but >others may. First of all, where are your latest Samba/LDAP files and have >you tested them with Fedora? Second....have you or do you have Samba/LDAP >set up in such a way that you have a master and many slaves? Example: >Let's say a school district has 4 schools....and they're geographically >seperated by a few miles or so....connected by T1. Is it possible to >essentially have one "district-wide" domain that can be accessed locally >or via VPN from any of the 4 buildings? Maybe in that Master-Slave mode? >Say you had a staff member that works between two schools....how could you >make the same desktop and so forth accessible from either school for that >person without necessarily retreiving the "profile" over a T1. Could we >have a master server that all the local slaves would sync to and thus >propagate specified users to the other slaves? (just dreaming....seeing >flaws in my proposals already) ;-) > >I need to get my mind around the groups and so forth in Samba/LDAP....I >need to refine my own system some more....right now I have staff...and >users....and that's it. Also...what do you use to import users in bulk to >the system? I use a script that Barry Smoke gave to me and it works >fine....do you simply create the users with something like createusers and >then convert them? Or what? I'd like to find a simpler way to do >this.....createusers works great....it'd be cool if you could simply >create the users as you normally would and then somehow convert them into >"LDAP" users. Arrggghhh! I simply don't understand the whole LDAP thing >well enough. Time to dive in and teach myself. > > It is certainly feasible for LDAP to be replicated. Samba can support PDC/BDC functionality so being on the same windows domain is feasible. But logins getting same desktop and home are another matter, particularly with T1 bandwidth and the additional performance degredation of latency site to site for the encryption of VPN. Since you mentioned VPN and T1 does that mean you are connecting the sites with VPN over their individual T1 Internet connections? Or did you mean there is a dedicated T1 site to site? That would make a huge difference in performance, especially latency and need for VPN or not. Chances are this is something quite practical for a very small number of traveling people, if they would live with some performance degredation, but not practical on a large scale. Do you want to get together sometime to compare notes on LDAP and VPN, etc.? Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Tue Mar 9 09:29:03 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Tue Mar 9 09:29:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & NIS Message-ID: <1078842649.12566.4.camel@mercury> Hi, I seem to be having a bit of trouble with NIS between two machines. I have the NIS server running on one machine and the client machine binds to the server. However when I try and ssh from the server to the client i get mstevens at earth's password: Connection to earth closed by remote host. Connection to earth closed. [mstevens at mercury mstevens]$ If ssh to the server as root I can login, the I try and su to a user account. [mstevens at mercury mstevens]$ ssh earth -l root root at earth's password: Last login: Tue Mar 9 10:49:09 2004 from mercury [root at earth root]# su mstevens id: cannot find name for user ID 1739 [I have no name!@earth root]$ Has anyone got any Ideas ? TIA Martin Stevens From Trond.Maehlum at kongsvinger.kommune.no Tue Mar 9 09:56:01 2004 From: Trond.Maehlum at kongsvinger.kommune.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue Mar 9 09:56:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp and ldap Message-ID: Can someone help me get started with ldap on k12ltsp? I see from some older postings that it's possible. I want to use webmin for creating users, and have one ldap server for users and /home. It looks like openldap is installed, but when I try to open it through webmin I get an error that the server is not running. I have never done this before, so a nice little howto would be nice. Or is perhaps NIS auth. and NFS export of /home just as good? If so... I would like a how to on this as well. I tried the nis approach, but couldn't get it right. Something tells me that ldap is the way to go, but I'm not sure. To sum up... Could any of you be so kind as to guide me through it, or perhaps link to a good how to...? Regards Trond M?hlum -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johns at model.com Tue Mar 9 09:58:19 2004 From: johns at model.com (Spencer, John) Date: Tue Mar 9 09:58:19 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? Message-ID: Hi Robert, I am using 2 IDE, ATA-100 7200 RPM, hard drives. I use two so that I can stripe the non-boot partitions RAID0. In striping the more hard drives, and connectors, used the better the performance, however I find that using 2, the minimum, is sufficient for my needs. The following is how I layout my partitions: /boot = RAID1 / = RAID0 /export = RAID0 = RAID0 I buy my Opterons from either IBM or Sun to ensure quality components are used and to leverage their support. I have found that Sun, IBM & HP are my most reliable OEM hardware providers. John -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:34 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:07:33 -1000 (HST) > From: Nakashima > To: > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > We have been very happy with our dual opteron server. However, this is > my first and only exposure to fedora and k12ltsp 4.0.0 and therefore I > have nothing to compare it against. We're currently running 16 clients > on it, but have plans to move to 30. All of our success can be > attributed to top notch tech support from Warren, Vince, Ray, and the > rest of the HOSEF team. I don't know where we would be without them. > > > Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:14:04 -0500 > From: Konstantin Ryabitsev > Organization: Linux at DUKE > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on dual opterons? > Reply-To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Duke Physics high performance computing cluster is using about 12 dual > opterons so far, running FC1 for x86_64. They are working quite well > -- no complaints from the users so far. My school is also considering dual opterons. I would like to know what motherboard are you guys using? Also, what are your hard drives? SCSI or SATA? and if you are using any RAID setup? Robert _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 9 10:23:15 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue Mar 9 10:23:15 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp and ldap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404DE1EC.4000606@maltzen.net> O'Reilly's 'LDAP System Administration' has a section on using LDAP for Samba authentication. The book is pretty good, although I haven't used the Samba section. If you go to www.oreilly.com you can use their Safari service to look at the book. You have to sign up for the 14-day free trial to see the pages (pp165-172 in my copy) but that could allow you to judge if the book will tell you what you want to know. Petre Trond M?hlum wrote: > Can someone help me get started with ldap on k12ltsp? I see from some > older postings that it's possible. I want to use webmin for creating > users, and have one ldap server for users and /home. It looks like > openldap is installed, but when I try to open it through webmin I get an > error that the server is not running. > > I have never done this before, so a nice little howto would be nice. Or > is perhaps NIS auth. and NFS export of /home just as good? If so... I > would like a how to on this as well. I tried the nis approach, but > couldn't get it right. Something tells me that ldap is the way to go, > but I'm not sure. > > To sum up... Could any of you be so kind as to guide me through it, or > perhaps link to a good how to...? > > Regards > > Trond M?hlum > From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Tue Mar 9 11:55:00 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue Mar 9 11:55:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard Message-ID: <404DF74B.9070403@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Thanks everyone! I have squid functioning correctly! Its blocking and logging in the correct directories. I have also been able to run sarg. However, it lists the user as server.ltsp. Does anyone know how I can get the logs to show the actual user who is logged into the client or is this possible? Thanks again everyone! Mike From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 9 13:04:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 9 13:04:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future In-Reply-To: <404DD1E6.3070802@gwi.net> References: <404DD1E6.3070802@gwi.net> Message-ID: <1078855575.23358.8.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 03:17, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > [....] logins getting same desktop and home are another matter, > particularly with T1 bandwidth and the additional performance > degredation of latency site to site for the encryption of VPN. > [...] Chances are > this is something quite practical for a very small number of traveling > people, if they would live with some performance degredation, but not > practical on a large scale. I have spent some time on the task of distributing filesystems(desktops) and basically I have drawn a blank. You have one mean feat ahead of you replicating /home dirs over a T1, unless you only have 20 or so users. You might consider scripting an rysnc to the other site on logout - a poor mans' distributed Desktop.. As long as the users do not have huge files coming and going there should be no strife. Or you might upgrade to fibre ;-) /steve From jim at rossberry.com Tue Mar 9 13:06:01 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue Mar 9 13:06:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <404DF74B.9070403@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404DF74B.9070403@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: > However, it lists the user as server.ltsp. Does anyone know how I can > get the logs to show the actual user who is logged into the client or is > this possible? I was wondering about that myself. There is an option in the Dan's Guardian conf file to log using squid format. I was going to point sarg at dans log file and see how that worked. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Mar 9 13:23:02 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Tue Mar 9 13:23:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future In-Reply-To: <1078855575.23358.8.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <404DD1E6.3070802@gwi.net> <1078855575.23358.8.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <404E0C09.2000403@gwi.net> Steve Wright wrote: >On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 03:17, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > > > >>[....] logins getting same desktop and home are another matter, >>particularly with T1 bandwidth and the additional performance >>degredation of latency site to site for the encryption of VPN. >>[...] Chances are >>this is something quite practical for a very small number of traveling >>people, if they would live with some performance degredation, but not >>practical on a large scale. >> >> > > I have spent some time on the task of distributing >filesystems(desktops) and basically I have drawn a blank. You have one >mean feat ahead of you replicating /home dirs over a T1, unless you only >have 20 or so users. > > You might consider scripting an rysnc to the other site on logout - a >poor mans' distributed Desktop.. As long as the users do not have huge >files coming and going there should be no strife. > > Or you might upgrade to fibre ;-) > > For the limited number of users with T1 connections I was thinking more along the lines of remote login or vnc type access from alternate sites, not replicating home directories. From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Tue Mar 9 13:39:01 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Tue Mar 9 13:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The webmin ldap users module has been working great for me (yep it will auto increment UID numbers and make samba passwords!). I use that and phpmyldapadmin or whatever its called to tweak the entries if needed. - Jamie On 3/8/04 3:32 PM, "David Trask" wrote: > Eric and all, > > > > I'm getting prepared for this summer's implementation of Samba/LDAP plus I > have a bunch of folks who want me to teach them how to do it. My set up > works fine, but it's fairly simple....not that I want more complex, but > others may. First of all, where are your latest Samba/LDAP files and have > you tested them with Fedora? Second....have you or do you have Samba/LDAP > set up in such a way that you have a master and many slaves? Example: > Let's say a school district has 4 schools....and they're geographically > seperated by a few miles or so....connected by T1. Is it possible to > essentially have one "district-wide" domain that can be accessed locally > or via VPN from any of the 4 buildings? Maybe in that Master-Slave mode? > Say you had a staff member that works between two schools....how could you > make the same desktop and so forth accessible from either school for that > person without necessarily retreiving the "profile" over a T1. Could we > have a master server that all the local slaves would sync to and thus > propagate specified users to the other slaves? (just dreaming....seeing > flaws in my proposals already) ;-) > > I need to get my mind around the groups and so forth in Samba/LDAP....I > need to refine my own system some more....right now I have staff...and > users....and that's it. Also...what do you use to import users in bulk to > the system? I use a script that Barry Smoke gave to me and it works > fine....do you simply create the users with something like createusers and > then convert them? Or what? I'd like to find a simpler way to do > this.....createusers works great....it'd be cool if you could simply > create the users as you normally would and then somehow convert them into > "LDAP" users. Arrggghhh! I simply don't understand the whole LDAP thing > well enough. Time to dive in and teach myself. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From csitech at practical.edu Tue Mar 9 14:23:05 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Tue Mar 9 14:23:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client CDROM's Message-ID: I appologize in advance if this has ever been dealt with in the past, I haven't been able to access the archives. It would be profitable for us if we could configure the clients to use the CDROM's that are in those clients. I looked over the lts.conf file and didn't find anything that looked like it would work to enable it. Any ideas on how to do this? Thanks. Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry ----- Email: csitech at practical.edu WWW: http://www.practical.edu Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 Fax: 607.729.2962 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From paua at quicksilver.net.nz Tue Mar 9 15:17:00 2004 From: paua at quicksilver.net.nz (Steve Wright) Date: Tue Mar 9 15:17:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future In-Reply-To: <404E0C09.2000403@gwi.net> References: <404DD1E6.3070802@gwi.net> <1078855575.23358.8.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <404E0C09.2000403@gwi.net> Message-ID: <1078863516.24509.3.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 07:25, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Steve Wright wrote: > > >On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 03:17, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > >>[....] logins getting same desktop and home are another matter, > >>particularly with T1 bandwidth and the additional performance > >>degredation of latency site to site for the encryption of VPN. > >>[...] Chances are > >>this is something quite practical for a very small number of traveling > >>people, if they would live with some performance degredation, but not > >>practical on a large scale. > >> > >> > > > > I have spent some time on the task of distributing > >filesystems(desktops) and basically I have drawn a blank. You have one > >mean feat ahead of you replicating /home dirs over a T1, unless you only > >have 20 or so users. > > > > You might consider scripting an rysnc to the other site on logout - a > >poor mans' distributed Desktop.. As long as the users do not have huge > >files coming and going there should be no strife. > > > > Or you might upgrade to fibre ;-) > > > > > For the limited number of users with T1 connections I was thinking more > along the lines of remote login or vnc type access from alternate sites, > not replicating home directories. either you or I are substantially missing the point. I will assume it is me and withdraw. From jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us Tue Mar 9 17:15:01 2004 From: jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us (John Pace) Date: Tue Mar 9 17:15:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <404CC5B8.2070703@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: I got delayed, back to my setup. With any luck (insert big grin here) I will be able to stick with this until it works. Right now it does not work... I have a small test network setup with the DG/Squid box, a switch, and a client. Still have not got it working yet. I think part of my problem is that I do not truly understand the way the two NICs in the DG/Squid box relate to the DG and Squid services that are running. Is this general statement correct? "The client computers send their traffic to DG, and if approved it is then relayed to Squid, and if approved Squid sends the request through the gateway, which in my case is an IPCop firewall." Client questions: 1. Configuring TCP/IP on the client (Gateway): To send requests through DG, which NIC IP on the DG/Squid box do I use as the default gateway on the client? I think I should use the IP of the NIC on the "green" side, not the IP of the NIC that has direct internet access. Correct? 2. Configuring TCP/IP on the client (DNS): My firewall handles DNS, do I use it's IP for name resolution? DG/Squid NIC questions: 1. Do the NICs use different gateways? If so, does the red NIC (the one facing the internet) use my firewall as the gateway IP? That is the IP our clients are currently using as their gateway. Does the green (network side) use the IP of the red NIC as it's gateway? Is one NIC funneling traffic to another the way my firewall does? 2. Do the NICs use different DSN IPs? Do they use my firewall IP since it handles DNS? DG specific questions and info: (I am using Webmin to configure DG) I can find 4 settings that relate to IP/Ports in the "View / edit Config" option. Filter IP and Filter Port which I have set to 192.168.1.60:8080. IP ".60" is the IP of the NIC facing the internet, or should this be 192.168.1.61:8080? IP ".61) is the NIC facing the network/clients. The other two setting are Proxy Ip and Proxy Port which I have left to the default of 127.0.0.1:3128 Squid specific questions and info: (I am using Webmin to configure Squid) Under the "Ports and Networking" I found "Proxy Addresses and Ports" which is set to 127.0.0.1:3128 Whew... lot of questions. Also, should I be able to "ping" the DG/Squid box? I can't. The cable is good and if I physically bypass the DG box I can access the internet. Any help will be appreciated! John Pace Webster County Library (417) 468-3335 jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Richard K. Ingalls Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:13 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard John Pace wrote: > Richard, > > When you say all computers in your network use this boxes IP as their > gateway, you mean the "green" NIC, right? > >>From the client should I be able to ping DG? > > This is what I have so far: > > -internet feed coming into the Squid/DG box on NIC 192.168.1.60 > > -Network leaves Squid/DG box on other NIC, 192.168.1.61 and goes to 8 port > switch. > > -one client connected to switch. > > Squid configured: Proxy address 127.0.0.1 port 3128 > > DG Configured: Filter IP/Port: 192.168.1.61:8080, Proxy IP/Port: > 127.0.0.1:3128 > > Client GW/DNS is the firewall (192.168.1.99), Should I change the client GW > to 192.168.1.61? DNS the same? Or leave them pointing to firewall? I have > tried both ways, neither worked. > > NIC configs on the Squid/DG box: > eth0: IP 192.168.1.60, GW 192.168.1.99 (firewall) > eth1: IP 192.168.1.61, GW 192.168.1.99 (firewall) > > Thanks! > > John > sorry for the time to reply. i've been swamped and i'm just coming up for air right now. did you get this resolved yet? i think i saw someone post about the http_access part of squid.conf. that sounds like the solution to me. give it a shot. keep us posted online. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Mar 9 18:17:00 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue Mar 9 18:17:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] spread the love In-Reply-To: <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> Message-ID: <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> Recently Novell had sent me two Suse Pro 8.2 box sets. Since I had two, and the school really wasn't using either, I gave one to a student who is interested in computers, etc. Another students then asked for the cool software I had given the first one. Instead I gave him a copy of K12 3.1.2. Hopefully we'll see him on the list soon. I figure a student trying to learn about Linux will do far better if he becomes exposed the the excellent support and great humor/patience exhibited on this list than on some corporate list. The Suse list get's so much traffics that it's insane, anyway. Who knows, these kids could be the future of Linux. There's not too much I can do for the OSS community, since I'm a relative newb, but I sure do enjoy spreading the love! I've also given away several Openoffice.org CDs in the past two weeks for students who needed presentation software for projects that I assigned. tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Mar 9 18:24:00 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue Mar 9 18:24:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] spread the love In-Reply-To: <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040309182535.1bc19871.spowers@inlandlakes.org> anthony baldwin wrote: > Instead I gave him a copy of K12 3.1.2. Hopefully we'll see him > on the list soon. I figure a student trying to learn about Linux I was teaching a CCNA course a few years back, and one of the students was particularly interested in Linux. To keep his interest, I let him install and maintain a "Counterstrike Server" on my bang-around linux machine. It was AMAZING the things he learned, and the dedication he gave to the project. I always love unorthodox teaching methods. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 9 18:29:23 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue Mar 9 18:29:23 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <2015.10.130.1.124.1078794612.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1078717585.1099.27.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078732222.1163.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <1078778919.1366.6.camel@rolston.localdomain> <1078786201.11833.9.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <2015.10.130.1.124.1078794612.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1078819851.1212.4.camel@rolston.localdomain> It was installed a while ago, before the whole RHEL stuff hit the fan. HAD I known that when I did the install I would have gone to SME or FC1. On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 14:10, Dan Young wrote: > Steve Wright said: > > On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 10:01, Bert Rolston wrote: > >> Then I can front end this with Squirrelmail? > > > > squirrelmail is front end for the unix mail spools, among others IIRC. > > Squirrelmail is a PHP-based IMAP client. Gotta have an IMAP server for > it to talk to. I don't think it will deal w/ a mbox file. You could use > uw-imap (long history of security issues) or dovecot (rather new, but > sounds good), which is present in Fedora Core 1, but not RH9, IIRC. > > Why install a Redhat 9 box a month and a half before it's getting EOLed? > > -Dan Young > -Parkrose School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 9 18:30:01 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue Mar 9 18:30:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078820078.1058.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Oh to have the bandwidth to download the latest LTSP CD ISOs! Gotta go with something. Thanks folks. Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 14:52, Mark Orenstein wrote: > I've been using the combination of postfix,imap(uw), and squirrelmail on RH8 > with success for over a year. I'm in the process of migrating, using the > K12LTSP 4.0.0 CD's to Fedora1/postfix/imap(UW) and squirrelmail. I just got > it up in test mode today. All the needed packages are included on the CD's. > > postfix is the postoffice, imap is an interface for accessing messages at > the postoffice, and squirrelmail is the web interface that uses imap to > display messages at the postoffice. > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Mar 9 19:32:01 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue Mar 9 19:32:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine problem I think Message-ID: <404E6299.4030906@elp.rr.com> I'm posting this both places since I don't know whether it is Fedora or Wine that is causing the problem. The windows program involved is Integrade Pro V9.0 (IGPRO) I have a Compaq machine which has the following: Fedors 4.0.1 128 Meg Ram 550 MHz processor Here is the problem; under K12ltsp 3.1.2 with wine-20031118 integrade pro works with out any problems. With Fedora 4.0.1 and either wine-20031118 or wine-20040213 the instalation goes okay and as long as the system has not been powered down IGPRO works as designed. However when the system is shut completely down so the box can be moved to a teacher's classroom there is a problem. When the computer is started and the program launched everything runs okay until the actual gradebook file is selected then IGPRO quits. The computer data base has been updated both before and after wine and IGPRO were installed. Any help is most welcome as we are trying to transition our school totally away from Windows before the school year is out. Thanks Pat From bobk at mn.rr.com Tue Mar 9 20:11:00 2004 From: bobk at mn.rr.com (Bob K) Date: Tue Mar 9 20:11:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Errors Message-ID: <404E6BF0.6000907@mn.rr.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 9 20:37:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue Mar 9 20:37:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] E-mail server... In-Reply-To: <1078820078.1058.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <1078820078.1058.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <1078882773.14176.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 17:46, Bert Rolston wrote: > Oh to have the bandwidth to download the latest LTSP CD ISOs! > If you use the -P flag with rsync it will pick up where it stopped after an incomplete transfer. If you don't pay for connect time to your ISP you should be able to get them in a few overnight runs. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 9 20:41:08 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue Mar 9 20:41:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Errors In-Reply-To: <404E6BF0.6000907@mn.rr.com> References: <404E6BF0.6000907@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <04030915425801.12897@newguy> please try not to send html mail......no ne wants to read them 8~) chuck On Tue, 09 Mar 2004, you wrote: > From jim at rossberry.com Tue Mar 9 21:31:05 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue Mar 9 21:31:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] sarg and Dan's Guardian logs In-Reply-To: <1078772572.3733.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <007e01c4051c$dcab3f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1078772572.3733.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: sarg works fine with Dan's Guardian logs when Dan is setup to use squid format for logging (logfileformat = 3) in the dansguardian.conf ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Mar 9 21:36:00 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue Mar 9 21:36:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] spread the love In-Reply-To: <20040309182535.1bc19871.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> <20040309182535.1bc19871.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <404E7F70.7000500@snet.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > anthony baldwin wrote: > >>Instead I gave him a copy of K12 3.1.2. Hopefully we'll see him >>on the list soon. I figure a student trying to learn about Linux > > I was teaching a CCNA course a few years back, and one of the students was particularly interested in Linux. >To keep his interest, I let him install and maintain a "Counterstrike Server" on my bang-around linux machine. >It was AMAZING the things he learned, and the dedication he gave to the project. >I always love unorthodox teaching methods. :) > Heck, I'm not even a computer/technology teacher. I'm just a lowly English teacher... How's that for unorthodox! I'm just slipping these kids the OSS on the sneak tip! -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 9 21:42:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue Mar 9 21:42:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Errors In-Reply-To: <404E6BF0.6000907@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Bob K wrote: >When running "apt-get", I get signature errors on several packages and >then it aborts prior to the updgrades completing.? Is there something >wrong with the servers or is the list I'm pointing at wrong (it was the >default when I installed)? >Unknown signature >/var/cache/apt/archives/ltsp%5fconfig_0.0.24-k12ltsp.0.4.0_noarch.rpm: >(SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#f1a2ded5) You need to install the K12LTSP public key. This command will do the trick for you: rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc -Eric From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Mar 9 23:52:01 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue Mar 9 23:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] spread the love In-Reply-To: <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> Message-ID: <404E9E96.9070803@shuttleworthfoundation.org> anthony baldwin wrote: > > Recently Novell had sent me two Suse Pro 8.2 box sets. Since I had two, > and the school really wasn't using either, I gave one to a student who > is interested in computers, etc. > Another students then asked for the cool software I had given the first > one. Instead I gave him a copy of K12 3.1.2. Hopefully we'll see him > on the list soon. I figure a student trying to learn about Linux will > do far better if he becomes exposed the the excellent support and great > humor/patience exhibited on this list than on some corporate list. The > Suse list get's so much traffics that it's insane, anyway. > Who knows, these kids could be the future of Linux. > There's not too much I can do for the OSS community, since I'm a > relative newb, but I sure do enjoy spreading the love! > I've also given away several Openoffice.org CDs in the past two weeks > for students who needed presentation software for projects that I assigned. > > tony Advocacy (spreading the word about Linux) is probably one of the best things you could do for the Linux community. Even if you're just spreading awareness, it's great. So keep up the good work! -- Jonathan Carter The Shuttleworth Foundation Tel +27 21 970 1230 | Fax +27 21 970 1231 http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/oscp/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 10 00:11:21 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed Mar 10 00:11:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client CDROM's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Calvin Park, ACDS wrote: >I appologize in advance if this has ever been dealt with in the past, I >haven't been able to access the archives. > >It would be profitable for us if we could configure the clients to use the >CDROM's that are in those clients. I looked over the lts.conf file and >didn't find anything that looked like it would work to enable it. Any ideas >on how to do this? Thanks. As of this moment, client-side cdroms are not supported. There are a couple a different solutions that are in development. -Eric From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Mar 10 00:37:00 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed Mar 10 00:37:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista 2200 thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404EC52E.4000404@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi K12-list Have anyone used the IBM thin clients with K12 4 before? I got it booting, and X seems to start perfectly, but it seems that the refresh rate is out of range (according to a message from one of our displays). Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks a million. -- Jonathan Carter The Shuttleworth Foundation Tel +27 21 970 1230 | Fax +27 21 970 1231 http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/oscp/ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Mar 10 05:32:01 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed Mar 10 05:32:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Xconfigs-lowest common denominator? In-Reply-To: <404E9E96.9070803@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> <404E9E96.9070803@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <404EEF18.6020102@snet.net> This has been bugging me for a while... (remember, I'm the nut who has simply been using K12 as a desktop OS at home for two years) It's just that, if you have a lab with mixed clients, different monitors, how does X handle all the differences? I'm supposing that your XF86configs are going to be created in compliance with your video card and the lowest common denominator amongs the monitors. Is this correct? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Wed Mar 10 05:46:00 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Wed Mar 10 05:46:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows 98 Username Length Message-ID: <1078915709.15749.5.camel@mercury> Hi, I am using samba on k12ltsp for our windows networks, Just a quick question, does anyone know what the maximum username length is on Windows 98 and/or Windows 2000 Thanks Martin Stevens From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Mar 10 06:41:02 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed Mar 10 06:41:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows 98 Username Length In-Reply-To: <1078915709.15749.5.camel@mercury> References: <1078915709.15749.5.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <404EFEFD.8000201@msln.net> Just googling and found differing info. Win2k seems to be 256 char. Win98-20 char. ,but the netbios is limited to 15 char., there were a couple on samba that said 15 char. max. mark Martin Stevens wrote: >Hi, > >I am using samba on k12ltsp for our windows networks, > >Just a quick question, does anyone know what the maximum username length >is on Windows 98 and/or Windows 2000 > >Thanks > >Martin Stevens > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 74 School Street Unity, Maine 04988 207-948-6142 gumprechtm at msln.net From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Mar 10 08:11:00 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:11:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078924390.4966.41.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 17:16, John Pace wrote: > I have a small test network setup with the DG/Squid box, a switch, and a > client. Still have not got it working yet. I think part of my problem is > that I do not truly understand the way the two NICs in the DG/Squid box > relate to the DG and Squid services that are running. > > Is this general statement correct? "The client computers send their traffic > to DG, and if approved it is then relayed to Squid, and if approved Squid > sends the request through the gateway, which in my case is an IPCop > firewall." > Seems reasonable. > Client questions: > > 1. Configuring TCP/IP on the client (Gateway): To send requests through DG, > which NIC IP on the DG/Squid box do I use as the default gateway on the > client? I think I should use the IP of the NIC on the "green" side, not the > IP of the NIC that has direct internet access. Correct? > Yes. The traffic needs to pass _through_ the box running squid. That involves having ip forwarding enabled and some iptables configurations. You can check forwarding by 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'. It should be '1'. The iptables stuff is dependant on network setup. > 2. Configuring TCP/IP on the client (DNS): My firewall handles DNS, do I use > it's IP for name resolution? > Yes - and your squid box should also use that dns server. > DG/Squid NIC questions: > > 1. Do the NICs use different gateways? > The box has a gateway - not the netcards. The default gateway for the box should be on the same subnet as the second (outbound) nic though. Here is the routing table on our box. We use SquidGuard rather than DG but the principle is the same. [mrambo at squid2 mrambo]$ /sbin/route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.189.8 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.189.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth1 192.168.0.0 192.168.189.14 255.255.0.0 UG 1 0 0 eth0 10.0.0.0 192.168.189.14 255.0.0.0 UG 1 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.189.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 The default gateway on the box is the last line. 'G' on the flags means it's a gateway - the zero's for destination means everything. We do have two other gateway's but they are for traffic from specific internal networks that may make it to the cache and needs a way back. Don't let the ip addresses on the two network cards (top two lines) fool you. The subnet mask puts them on different subnets. > If so, does the red NIC (the one facing the internet) use my firewall as the > gateway IP? That is the IP our clients are currently using as their gateway. > See above. > Does the green (network side) use the IP of the red NIC as it's gateway? Is > one NIC funneling traffic to another the way my firewall does? > See above. > 2. Do the NICs use different DSN IPs? Do they use my firewall IP since it > handles DNS? > See above. The _box_ should use the same dns as the rest of your network. Netcards don't need dns. > DG specific questions and info: (I am using Webmin to configure DG) > > I can find 4 settings that relate to IP/Ports in the "View / edit Config" > option. Filter IP and Filter Port which I have set to 192.168.1.60:8080. IP > ".60" is the IP of the NIC facing the internet, or should this be > 192.168.1.61:8080? IP ".61) is the NIC facing the network/clients. The other > two setting are Proxy Ip and Proxy Port which I have left to the default of > 127.0.0.1:3128 > > Squid specific questions and info: (I am using Webmin to configure Squid) > > Under the "Ports and Networking" I found "Proxy Addresses and Ports" which > is set to 127.0.0.1:3128 > I don't use webmin for these config's but 3128 looks more like a squidGuard port rather than DG. Isn't DG 8080 by default? > Whew... lot of questions. 's ok. > > Also, should I be able to "ping" the DG/Squid box? I can't. The cable is > good and if I physically bypass the DG box I can access the internet. > Definitely (unless you are blocking icmp at a managed switch/router). If you can't it explains why the setup doesn't work. I think you need to start with the basic network setup. Until you can ping the squid box and the device at the next hop thereafter it's not going to work. Are you using an out-of-the-box squid/network config from k12ltsp? What subnets are your clients, the squid box, and the IPCOP gateway using? Are you trying to transparent proxy? Sorry if some of this has been addressed and I missed it. I'd suggest ignoring both squid and DG for now. Just concentrate on getting the squid box itself to be accessible (ping) and then successfully route traffic to your gateway. Then add back squid with the transparent proxy (if that is what you want). Last add in DG. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Computers are a lot like air conditioners. They don't work well with windows open... From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Mar 10 08:13:04 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:13:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Xconfigs-lowest common denominator? In-Reply-To: <404EEF18.6020102@snet.net> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> <404E9E96.9070803@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <404EEF18.6020102@snet.net> Message-ID: <404F300F.4000302@shuttleworthfoundation.org> anthony baldwin wrote: > > > This has been bugging me for a while... > (remember, I'm the nut who has simply been using K12 as a desktop OS at > home for two years) > It's just that, if you have a lab with mixed clients, different > monitors, how does X handle all the differences? I'm supposing that > your XF86configs are going to be created in compliance with your video > card and the lowest common denominator amongs the monitors. > Is this correct? No, it's not. The PC's that have lower specs can be specified in your dhcp file, and are identified by their mac addresses. The specifications, such as lower res screens, serial mice, etc, are specified in your lts.conf file. -- Jonathan Carter The Shuttleworth Foundation Tel +27 21 970 1230 | Fax +27 21 970 1231 http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/oscp/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 10 08:35:01 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed Mar 10 08:35:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric, I am getting this also on a server that I installed the Fedora Core 1 from the same CD set as the Fedora Core 1 with K12LTSP. The command you gave did not fix it for this server. . . You gave me a command ealier that was run from somewhere on the server (another server besides this one) that fixed it on that one. rpm --import something or other but it was from a directory on the server. Thanks On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Bob K wrote: > > >When running "apt-get", I get signature errors on several packages and > >then it aborts prior to the updgrades completing.? Is there something > >wrong with the servers or is the list I'm pointing at wrong (it was the > >default when I installed)? > > > > >Unknown signature > >/var/cache/apt/archives/ltsp%5fconfig_0.0.24-k12ltsp.0.4.0_noarch.rpm: > >(SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#f1a2ded5) > > You need to install the K12LTSP public key. This command will do > the trick for you: > > rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 10 09:34:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed Mar 10 09:34:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future In-Reply-To: <030920041402.25539.2d1a@comcast.net> References: <030920041402.25539.2d1a@comcast.net> Message-ID: Great! I'd love to see the end result! k12osn at redhat.com writes: >David, > >I am facing the same issue at NCS this summer (Samba 3 migration with >LDAP). I have a friend here at work (in my paying job) that has >volunteered to try and add a Batch LDAP Add function to the LDAP Users >option in Webmin interface which works the same way as the Batch add >option in the Create Users function in Webmin. I just have to get him >the relevant perl scripts to look at so he can make the mods. There are >probably other ways, but I 'like' being able to just click a button in a >GUI somedays. Hopefully, this won't take that long (a week). Will let >you (and the list) know how it turns out. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 10 09:35:04 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed Mar 10 09:35:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP and the near future In-Reply-To: <404DD1E6.3070802@gwi.net> References: <404DD1E6.3070802@gwi.net> Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >Do you want to get together sometime to compare notes on LDAP and VPN, >etc.? Sure! I have lots to learn David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 10 09:37:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed Mar 10 09:37:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp and ldap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >To sum up... Could any of you be so kind as to guide me through it, or >perhaps link to a good how to...? It's a bit dated, but there's one here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux or go to the idealx.org site for the latest one David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From hendersonh at unit5.org Wed Mar 10 10:29:39 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Wed Mar 10 10:29:39 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Ldap Win2k/XP GPO's Message-ID: Does anyone know how to manage GPOs without AD or Novell's Zen works? I am looking for a package which will allow me to integrate our Windows 2k/xp machines into Our samba setup but still apply GPOs globally without having to travel to each station or connect to each station individually and manage 1 to 1. I am looking at the pGina login authenticator to try and setup authenticated login to an LDAP directory. Not sure, as I am trying to figure out the cheapest way to setup our system and still give the same service as if we were using Zenworks or dare I say WinServ and AD. What I would like. Servers (Samba or NFS) Clients 2K or XP A method to apply GPOs globally based on a UNC path or something? Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Mar 10 10:35:20 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed Mar 10 10:35:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Xconfigs-lowest common denominator? In-Reply-To: <404EEF18.6020102@snet.net> References: <1078767211.4134.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <404D1A50.4090801@snet.net> <1078795900.15357.5.camel@linuxathome.ath.cx> <404E50F9.8030802@snet.net> <404E9E96.9070803@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <404EEF18.6020102@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040310141936.GL1490@wizzy.com> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: > It's just that, if you have a lab with mixed clients, different > monitors, how does X handle all the differences? I'm supposing that > your XF86configs are going to be created in compliance with your video > card and the lowest common denominator amongs the monitors. > Is this correct? XFree86 does a pretty good job of autodetecting this stuff. it does an lspci to get the video card. It looks it up in a file (vidlist on LTSP) that tells it what server to use. New versions of XFree86 autodetect mice - yaaay ! Once it has the video driver, there is a protocol the card talks to the monitor to find out the /monitor/ specs. Not all monitors support this - especially old ones. Write a config file, fire up X. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Mar 10 10:36:34 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed Mar 10 10:36:34 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404F34CD.4030506@glenwood.k12.mo.us> John Pace wrote: > I got delayed, back to my setup. With any luck (insert big grin here) I will > be able to stick with this until it works. Right now it does not work... > > I have a small test network setup with the DG/Squid box, a switch, and a > client. Still have not got it working yet. I think part of my problem is > that I do not truly understand the way the two NICs in the DG/Squid box > relate to the DG and Squid services that are running. Well you only *need* two NICs if you want to filter a separate private network. The two NICs thing is from K12LTSP (the goal of that project is to create a separate private network in a classroom using Linux as a terminal server). You can do what you want with only one NIC since it appears that you want to filter an already existing network. The idea behind two NICs is that one NIC (eth0) is attached to your separate private network (192.168.x.x) and the other NIC (eth1) is attached to your existing network (or firewall or router or whatever). However, you should still be able to do everything you want with two NICs or one. If you currently don't have a DHCP server in your network, you can use this box to do that (the K12LTSP server is setup to do that automatically). -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From csitech at practical.edu Wed Mar 10 10:48:46 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Wed Mar 10 10:48:46 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Client CDROM's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you very much. If you need some beta test environments to test out any solutions, feel free to contact us. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:13 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Client CDROM's As of this moment, client-side cdroms are not supported. There are a couple a different solutions that are in development. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 10 11:39:01 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed Mar 10 11:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] This is a check Message-ID: I wasn't sure my MimeDefang/SpamAssassin/ClamAV was letting mail through. . . No need to reply. . . I will get this message from the list. Thank you for the guinea-piggin' -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 10 11:43:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 10 11:43:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] This is a check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3573.170.211.161.150.1078937061.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Doug Simpson said: > I wasn't sure my MimeDefang/SpamAssassin/ClamAV was letting mail through. > . . > No need to reply. . . I will get this message from the list. > > Thank you for the guinea-piggin' > So your check didn't bounce.....hehe. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Mar 10 11:47:01 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed Mar 10 11:47:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista 2200 thin clients In-Reply-To: <404EC52E.4000404@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <404EC52E.4000404@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <404F46EA.4050308@lqt.ca> Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi K12-list > > Have anyone used the IBM thin clients with K12 4 before? > > I got it booting, and X seems to start perfectly, but it seems that > the refresh rate is out of range (according to a message from one of > our displays). Anyone know how to fix this? > > Thanks a million. > Hey Jonathon You have hijacked another thread so your request might not be seen by everyone ... About your problem - could you give more details about what is happening when X tries to start - do you see anything on the screen? do you have any error messages? etc ... And if you respond to this - start a new thread so that this one dies ... pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Wed Mar 10 12:22:02 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Wed Mar 10 12:22:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS and Application Server Message-ID: <1078939456.15749.34.camel@mercury> Hi all, Finally I have NIS working, Hooray. Now for the next part how do I run/export say mozilla or Openoffice.org the a workstation ? When I ssh as root to the application server the apps run on my terminal ------------- [mstevens at mercury mstevens]$ ssh earth -l root root at earth's password: Last login: Wed Mar 10 17:00:22 2004 from mercury [root at earth root]# oocalc Starting OpenOffice.org ... [root at earth root]# This works. ---------------------------- [mstevens at mercury mstevens]$ ssh earth mstevens at earth's password: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/staff/mstevens/.Xauthority [mstevens at earth mstevens]$ oocalc Checking for existing user installation ... ... NOT FOUND Performing first-time installation for user ... /usr/bin/ooffice: line 87: /home/staff/mstevens/.mime.types.tmp: Permission denied mv: cannot move `/home/staff/mstevens/.sversionrc' to `/home/staff/mstevens/.sversionrc.old': Permission denied X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). ... FAILED [mstevens at earth mstevens]$ This doesn't ------------- Should I use rsh instead ? TIA Martin Stevens From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 10 12:42:04 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Mar 10 12:42:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question Message-ID: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have seen some stuff referring to rsync with backing up servers. Can anyone tell me how this works? Can I use this to make an exact copy of my running production server to a backup server of either equal or lesser hardware. Idea being that upon hardware failure of the production server I would have an up to date backup (or possibly only 24hrs behind) to swap in and run as a temporary production server until the main hardware was repaired. Let me know if this is feasible (maybe I need identical hardware) and if so where to start (what commands to issue). Ideally I would like to have the two machines running a scheduled periodic backup that was automatic and did not require any manual intervention. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.615 / Virus Database: 394 - Release Date: 3/8/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johns at model.com Wed Mar 10 13:12:06 2004 From: johns at model.com (Spencer, John) Date: Wed Mar 10 13:12:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question Message-ID: The man page is very helpful, below is what I do: rsync -avcz -e ssh $Sourcehost:/$path $destinationhost:/$path a = archive **backup mode v = verbose **good to not use when being run as a cronjob or as an unattended script, ie 'rsync -acz' c = checksum **verify packets don't change in transit z = compress **decrease network bandwidth needed for use e = specify protocol to use, I prefer ssh to envrypt the packet traffic _____ From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question I have seen some stuff referring to rsync with backing up servers. Can anyone tell me how this works? Can I use this to make an exact copy of my running production server to a backup server of either equal or lesser hardware. Idea being that upon hardware failure of the production server I would have an up to date backup (or possibly only 24hrs behind) to swap in and run as a temporary production server until the main hardware was repaired. Let me know if this is feasible (maybe I need identical hardware) and if so where to start (what commands to issue). Ideally I would like to have the two machines running a scheduled periodic backup that was automatic and did not require any manual intervention. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.615 / Virus Database: 394 - Release Date: 3/8/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Wed Mar 10 13:54:02 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed Mar 10 13:54:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard & Sarg Message-ID: <404F64D9.7070405@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hey again everyone, First of all thanks to everyone who posted with advice to get Squid & SquidGuard up and going. Its working great! Now, I am attempting to get Sarg to work with squid and squidguard. Sarg as of now gives me a report of user ID activity, but the user name is server.ltsp, not the actual user who is logged into the client machine. Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can get sarg to report by client ID that is using k12ltsp client? Thanks, Mike From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 13:55:06 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed Mar 10 13:55:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] not important- sendmail hangs for a couple of minutes Message-ID: I'm just leaving for a Dr's appmnt and perhaps being lazy (google would do it, too) but I just restarted the 3.1.2 server and noticed that sendmail hung for almost two minutes or so. Fast fixes could be ... :-) Jim _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 10 14:01:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:01:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] not important- sendmail hangs for a couple of minutes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078945078.18591.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:57, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I'm just leaving for a Dr's appmnt and perhaps being lazy (google would do > it, too) but I just restarted the 3.1.2 server and noticed that sendmail > hung for almost two minutes or so. Fast fixes could be ... > You need reverse-DNS to work for its own name. The fast fix is to put all the names and numbers it might need in /etc/hosts. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Wed Mar 10 14:11:08 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:11:08 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard & Sarg In-Reply-To: <404F64D9.7070405@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <404F64D9.7070405@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: >Hey again everyone, > >First of all thanks to everyone who posted with advice to get Squid >& SquidGuard up and going. Its working great! > >Now, I am attempting to get Sarg to work with squid and squidguard. >Sarg as of now gives me a report of user ID activity, but the user >name is server.ltsp, not the actual user who is logged into the >client machine. Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can get sarg >to report by client ID that is using k12ltsp client? Mike, Unless you are authenticating as students login (instead of transparent proxying) I don't think you can ---unless there would be some way with ident and squid? Scott From rduran at dallasairmotive.com Wed Mar 10 14:17:01 2004 From: rduran at dallasairmotive.com (Richard Duran) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:17:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Java font uglyness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078946269.15173.849.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> We've been trying to find a solution to the general ugliness as well. Until recently, I thought it might have to do with anti-aliasing, but after running xmag on a regular FC1 install, I noticed that fonts are not aliased in java applets (I found one link regarding anti-aliased fonts in java applets here http://oldwww.comlab.ox.ac.uk/oucl/users/bernard.sufrin/personal.shtml but I'm guessing there's a rendering engine encoded in the applet). Currently we're looking at mangling the font.properties file under /usr/java to use other fonts, but haven't had any luck. Our issue is that the fonts are difficult for our people to read at 1024x768. It's a pain sorting through every font looking for one that's easy on the eyes... -richard On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 21:32, Eric Harrison wrote: > Google is failing me on this one... I'm hoping someone here has > tackled Java fonts and has an easy answer ;-) > > > I have one school that is using some Java-based games & have noticed > that fonts can be a bit wonky. > > > First, the fonts are not anti-aliased. Has anyone heard about a fix > for this atrocity? > > > If there is no anti-alias fix, has anyone seen font problems with > text input boxes & know a fix? An example is this URL: > > http://www.coolmath4kids.com/mathgames/lemonade/index.html > > If I click on through to the "Price/Quality Control" screen, I see > that the input box fonts are "cut-off" - only the top-half shows. > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kovalcik at orion-design.com Wed Mar 10 14:34:00 2004 From: kovalcik at orion-design.com (Tom Kovalcik) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:34:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash for linux Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040310143552.02580618@oriongw> I just saw this story at www.linux.org ---------------------------- Speaking at last week?s Flashforward 2004 , Macromedia?s Chief Software Architect Kevin Lynch hinted that the company has plans to port Flash MX to Linux. The first step will be to offer a version of Flash MX for the WINE platform. WINE is a free implementation of Windows that runs on Unix and Linux. If that version proves popular enough, Lynch said the company will consider porting its applications directly to Linux. ----------------------------- Sounds like good news. Tom Kovalcik Orion Design Technologies 122 Mast Road Lee, NH 03824 Phone: (603) 659-9800 x104 FAX: (603) 659-9870 kovalcik at orion-design.com Web site: http://www.orion-design.com From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 10 14:52:02 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:52:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: <1078772572.3733.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <007e01c4051c$dcab3f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1078772572.3733.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4124.170.211.161.150.1078948423.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I'm beginning a WBEL-K12LTSP install as we speak. Backing up right now. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed Mar 10 14:57:00 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Wed Mar 10 14:57:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows 98 Username Length In-Reply-To: <1078915709.15749.5.camel@mercury> Message-ID: I think it's 12 - jamie On 3/10/04 2:48 AM, "Martin Stevens" wrote: > Hi, > > I am using samba on k12ltsp for our windows networks, > > Just a quick question, does anyone know what the maximum username length > is on Windows 98 and/or Windows 2000 > > Thanks > > Martin Stevens > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 10 15:00:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 10 15:00:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me....backup reassurance needed Message-ID: <4137.170.211.161.150.1078948913.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Can someone tell me the most likely things I need to backup on my ltsp server for migration? I know....but still...... -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 10 15:31:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 10 15:31:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Enterprise Linux Install issue Message-ID: <4237.170.211.161.150.1078950739.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I'm using the newest boot image. Any reason why during the network part of the install both interfaces are set to use dhcp and only eth0 is set active? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 10 16:01:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed Mar 10 16:01:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004301c406e3$3bf19f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks, I'll give it a try. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Spencer, John Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:15 PM To: 'k12osn at redhat.com' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question The man page is very helpful, below is what I do: rsync -avcz -e ssh $Sourcehost:/$path $destinationhost:/$path a = archive **backup mode v = verbose **good to not use when being run as a cronjob or as an unattended script, ie 'rsync -acz' c = checksum **verify packets don't change in transit z = compress **decrease network bandwidth needed for use e = specify protocol to use, I prefer ssh to envrypt the packet traffic _____ From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question I have seen some stuff referring to rsync with backing up servers. Can anyone tell me how this works? Can I use this to make an exact copy of my running production server to a backup server of either equal or lesser hardware. Idea being that upon hardware failure of the production server I would have an up to date backup (or possibly only 24hrs behind) to swap in and run as a temporary production server until the main hardware was repaired. Let me know if this is feasible (maybe I need identical hardware) and if so where to start (what commands to issue). Ideally I would like to have the two machines running a scheduled periodic backup that was automatic and did not require any manual intervention. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.615 / Virus Database: 394 - Release Date: 3/8/2004 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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John -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Richard K. Ingalls Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:31 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, Squid & SquidGuard John Pace wrote: > I got delayed, back to my setup. With any luck (insert big grin here) I will > be able to stick with this until it works. Right now it does not work... > > I have a small test network setup with the DG/Squid box, a switch, and a > client. Still have not got it working yet. I think part of my problem is > that I do not truly understand the way the two NICs in the DG/Squid box > relate to the DG and Squid services that are running. Well you only *need* two NICs if you want to filter a separate private network. The two NICs thing is from K12LTSP (the goal of that project is to create a separate private network in a classroom using Linux as a terminal server). You can do what you want with only one NIC since it appears that you want to filter an already existing network. The idea behind two NICs is that one NIC (eth0) is attached to your separate private network (192.168.x.x) and the other NIC (eth1) is attached to your existing network (or firewall or router or whatever). However, you should still be able to do everything you want with two NICs or one. If you currently don't have a DHCP server in your network, you can use this box to do that (the K12LTSP server is setup to do that automatically). -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Mar 10 17:20:01 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed Mar 10 17:20:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows 98 Username Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404F950A.9060809@elp.rr.com> If I remember correctly win98 - 32 characters which can include spaces but not */?#@& I thing in XP it is now 64 characters. However if you are going to go between Linux and Windows it is best to keep them down to 32 and use udnder lines instaed of spaces. 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Jamie From bobk at mn.rr.com Wed Mar 10 18:16:21 2004 From: bobk at mn.rr.com (Bob K) Date: Wed Mar 10 18:16:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078960763.4300.1.camel@server.ltsp> After getting the key, I now get the following error apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be upgraded XFree86 XFree86-100dpi-fonts XFree86-75dpi-fonts XFree86-Mesa-libGL XFree86-Mesa-libGLU XFree86-base-fonts XFree86-devel XFree86-font-utils XFree86-libs XFree86-libs-data XFree86-tools XFree86-truetype-fonts XFree86-twm XFree86-xauth XFree86-xdm XFree86-xfs apt atomix coreutils foomatic gaim gdm ghostscript gimp-print gimp-print-cups gimp-print-plugin gimp-print-utils gnome-libs gnome-libs-devel gnome-panel gperiodic hpijs hwdata kernel-pcmcia-cs kudzu kudzu-devel less libpcap libxml2 libxml2-devel libxml2-python ltsp_config ltsp_i386 ltsp_kernel_i386 ltsp_kernel_i386_pxe mod_perl pango pango-devel redhat-config-printer redhat-config-printer-gui samba samba-client samba-common squidGuard synaptic tcpdump tuxpaint tuxpaint-stamps tuxtype2 up2date up2date-gnome webmin xchat The following packages have been kept back perl 63 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/256MB of archives. After unpacking 6892kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Checking GPG signatures... Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin_1.130-1_noarch.rpm: md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#11f63c51) E: Error: 0 unsigned packages 1 unknown signatures 0 illegal/corrupted signatures On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 07:37, Doug Simpson wrote: > Eric, > I am getting this also on a server that I installed the Fedora Core 1 from > the same CD set as the Fedora Core 1 with K12LTSP. > > The command you gave did not fix it for this server. . . > > You gave me a command ealier that was run from somewhere on the server > (another server besides this one) that fixed it on that one. > > rpm --import something or other but it was from a directory on the server. > > Thanks > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Bob K wrote: > > > > >When running "apt-get", I get signature errors on several packages and > > >then it aborts prior to the updgrades completing. Is there something > > >wrong with the servers or is the list I'm pointing at wrong (it was the > > >default when I installed)? > > > > > > > > >Unknown signature > > >/var/cache/apt/archives/ltsp%5fconfig_0.0.24-k12ltsp.0.4.0_noarch.rpm: > > >(SHA1) DSA sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#f1a2ded5) > > > > You need to install the K12LTSP public key. This command will do > > the trick for you: > > > > rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Mar 10 20:13:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed Mar 10 20:13:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me....backup reassurance needed In-Reply-To: <4137.170.211.161.150.1078948913.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <4137.170.211.161.150.1078948913.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <404FBDB9.9090202@cmosnetworks.com> Caleb Wagnon wrote: >Can someone tell me the most likely things I need to backup on my ltsp server >for migration? I know....but still...... > > > > The way I do it is to back up the entire /etc, /opt/ltsp/i386 directory (or /opt/ltsp/ppc, if you're running PMac clients), and /home directories. That's always worked pretty well for me...when upgrading from one version of a certain distro to a newer version of the same distro, e. g. Red Hat 7.3 to, say, Red Hat 9, or the K12LTSP versions thereof. On the other hand, if you're crossing distros (e. g. going from Red Hat to SuSE or Slackware), you've got to pick your /etc files carefully. The "for sure" ones I pick in /etc are /etc/ltsp.conf, /etc/ssh/, and /etc/dhcpd.conf. Then I just go through /etc and see if there's anything that'd be a good idea and would cross over easily (/etc/skel, for example). --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Mar 10 20:18:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed Mar 10 20:18:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade in lab before production In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404FBEDA.6060807@cmosnetworks.com> Here's how I've done such upgrades, both on Windows and on UNIX/Linux. Build a server with identical hardware, with two exceptions: the amount of DRAM may be bigger, and your CPUs may be faster. Ghost your entire hard disk over to a second hard disk of equal or greater size, or, since we're talkin' GNU/Linux, use dump/restore to do it. Pop that cloned hard disk into your "clone" server, and try out your upgrade. That's the safest way that I've found to do it, and it doesn't risk taking down the production server. Also, you have a spare server in case you have a hardware failure. --TP jamie wrote: >Hey Gang, >I wanna test an OS upgrade before I do it on a production server. What's the >best way of going about this? > >I was thinking of installing RH9 on a test box and then maybe scp all the >files (except /home) from the production box. Maybe I could do some sort of >rsync diff > >Reboot then make sure the machine works. Then trying the upgrade. > >Will this work? I want the test machine to be as close the the production >machine as possible, even though the hardware is different. Thoughts? >Suggestions? > >Jamie > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed Mar 10 20:19:00 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Wed Mar 10 20:19:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Test Message-ID: Just a test From james at mineralschool.net Wed Mar 10 21:08:01 2004 From: james at mineralschool.net (James Mayfield) Date: Wed Mar 10 21:08:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Information System In-Reply-To: <404F950A.9060809@elp.rr.com> References: <404F950A.9060809@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <200403101810.10902.james@mineralschool.net> Hey all.. Just wondering if anybody has some recommendations for an opensource SIS. I'd like to find a nice one that exists because i really dont feel like having to code my own.. hehe thanks James Mayfield From nsantiago at caclv.org Wed Mar 10 21:28:02 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Wed Mar 10 21:28:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Information System Message-ID: This one isn't opensource by any stretch of the imagination, but it's awesome. I use Apple Powerschool, and it works great. I'd recommend it to any school. A lot of the standard features are complete overkill, but they're great to have in case. Nick -----Original Message----- From: James Mayfield [mailto:james at mineralschool.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:10 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Student Information System Hey all.. Just wondering if anybody has some recommendations for an opensource SIS. I'd like to find a nice one that exists because i really dont feel like having to code my own.. hehe thanks James Mayfield _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 10 21:38:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed Mar 10 21:38:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Information System In-Reply-To: <200403101810.10902.james@mineralschool.net> References: <404F950A.9060809@elp.rr.com> <200403101810.10902.james@mineralschool.net> Message-ID: <20040310214002.48862d66.spowers@inlandlakes.org> James Mayfield wrote: > I'd like to find a nice one that exists because i really dont feel like > having to code my own.. hehe Check out http://www.lissard.org -- great potential, just needs some coding. (It's all been done by one guy.) The core is in place, and it seems to have GREAT potential. I wish I could give it the time to get it in our school now, but unfortunately I need to spend tens of thousands of dollars to get our school a new system... *sigh* Keep me posted off-list (please) because I still hope someday to get an open-source SMS in our district. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 10 22:22:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed Mar 10 22:22:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Enterprise Linux Install issue In-Reply-To: <4237.170.211.161.150.1078950739.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: >I'm using the newest boot image. Any reason why during the network part of the >install both interfaces are set to use dhcp and only eth0 is set active? It should default to 192.168.0.254 on eth0 & dhcp on eth1. The same as the standard K12LTSP releases. It is going to take me a day or two before I'll get the chance to double- check my work (I'm taking the night off ;-). Odds are _fairly_ good that something went wrong in your install. Can you give it another try and let me know if it works the second time? (I'm worried that it may be too easy to make mistakes!) -Eric From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Mar 10 22:27:02 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed Mar 10 22:27:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows 98 Username Length In-Reply-To: <1078915709.15749.5.camel@mercury> References: <1078915709.15749.5.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <1078958434.1393.2.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Martin, >From memory 11 or 15. I ran into the problem when I had a user with a login name 1 character over the limit. Logins wouldn't work in Samba but would in Linux. HTH Bert On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 23:48, Martin Stevens wrote: > Hi, > > I am using samba on k12ltsp for our windows networks, > > Just a quick question, does anyone know what the maximum username length > is on Windows 98 and/or Windows 2000 > > Thanks > > Martin Stevens > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From button at gti.net Wed Mar 10 22:28:26 2004 From: button at gti.net (Daniel Button) Date: Wed Mar 10 22:28:26 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Touch Monitor Message-ID: Hi, I have decided to throw in the towel and ask if somebody out there can help. I have an IBM G70t touch monitor that I am trying to get working. The video works great, but the touch part is not coming up. Thanks to jam, I was able to get the serial port working that was needed. Below is the config that I have in my lts.conf. [workstation21] XSERVER = auto LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 96m RUNLEVEL = 3 MODULE_01 = serial USE_TOUCH = Y X_TOUCH_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0 Below is part of the error message that I copied down from the screen. "Not at the specified rate or model 2310, will continue Unable to ask Elographics touchscreen identification" The log shows that the elographics module is loaded. The log also shows that there appears to be a conflict between the PS/2 mouse and the touch screen. (As a side note, does anybody know how to get the log off of the client onto the server? No FTP.) I tried to make my own XF86config file, but obviously failed. I don't understand enough of the syntax to make it work. I was able to get the module to load and X to come up, but the touch screen would not be active. So, I am asking for someone to take pity on me and give me some ideas on what I am doing wrong. Anybody have any ideas??? Thanks for the help!! Dan From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 10 23:20:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed Mar 10 23:20:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Enterprise Linux Install issue In-Reply-To: References: <4237.170.211.161.150.1078950739.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1254.66.138.175.91.1078978919.squirrel@66.138.175.91> Eric Harrison said: > Odds are _fairly_ good that something went wrong in your install. Can > you give it another try and let me know if it works the second time? > (I'm worried that it may be too easy to make mistakes!) It was a floppy disk/drive issue causing all my problems. Then install went great. Only thing is in the howto toward the end....the pathname and initialize script name has changed a little. Thanks for your work on this stuff. Has made WBEL-k12ltsp easy. I'll migrate the rest tomorrow and we'll see how it finishes up. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Mar 10 23:48:01 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed Mar 10 23:48:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista clients (new thread :) ) Message-ID: <404FEF26.9050608@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Jonathan Carter wrote: It starts up perfectly, or so it seems. On one of our older screens you can even see the logon screen. It flickers, and rolls, but you can see it. On one of the newer screens it shows a message saying that the (refresh?) rates are out of range, and then shows the rates that look very low to me. Previous message copied and pasted: """ > Hi K12-list > > Have anyone used the IBM thin clients with K12 4 before? > > I got it booting, and X seems to start perfectly, but it seems that the refresh rate is out of range (according to a message from one of our displays). Anyone know how to fix this? > > Thanks a million. > Hey Jonathon You have hijacked another thread so your request might not be seen by everyone ... About your problem - could you give more details about what is happening when X tries to start - do you see anything on the screen? do you have any error messages? etc ... And if you respond to this - start a new thread so that this one dies ... pantz """ -- Jonathan Carter The Shuttleworth Foundation Tel +27 21 970 1230 | Fax +27 21 970 1231 http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/oscp/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 11 00:17:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Mar 11 00:17:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Enterprise Linux Install issue In-Reply-To: <1254.66.138.175.91.1078978919.squirrel@66.138.175.91> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: >Eric Harrison said: >> Odds are _fairly_ good that something went wrong in your install. Can >> you give it another try and let me know if it works the second time? >> (I'm worried that it may be too easy to make mistakes!) > >It was a floppy disk/drive issue causing all my problems. Then install went >great. Only thing is in the howto toward the end....the pathname and >initialize script name has changed a little. Thanks for your work on this >stuff. Has made WBEL-k12ltsp easy. I'll migrate the rest tomorrow and we'll >see how it finishes up. Thanks, it is good to know that a floppy disk/drive issue can cause this problem. I'll add this to the docs. -Eric From robark at telus.net Thu Mar 11 02:10:02 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu Mar 11 02:10:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IDE enough? Message-ID: <200403102308.06171.robark@telus.net> Idea: save some money and noise. Buy one fast 10k scsi drive for /home and one not so fast but quiet 7200 ide drive for root. Lab: 30 clients programming in C++ with Anjuta in gnome on dual xeon server with 4 gigs ram. Question: do I need a 10k scsi drive for root as well as /home or not????? Note: SATA not an option Robert From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Thu Mar 11 04:18:01 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Thu Mar 11 04:18:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Information System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078996810.20071.2.camel@mercury> You might want to look into this http://www.schooltool.org/ I believe it is in heavy development at the moment, and it it also being funded. On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 02:30, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > This one isn't opensource by any stretch of the imagination, but it's > awesome. I use Apple Powerschool, and it works great. I'd recommend it to > any school. A lot of the standard features are complete overkill, but > they're great to have in case. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Mayfield [mailto:james at mineralschool.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:10 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Student Information System > > Hey all.. Just wondering if anybody has some recommendations for an > opensource > SIS. I'd like to find a nice one that exists because i really dont feel > like > having to code my own.. hehe > > thanks > > James Mayfield > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Mar 11 06:10:25 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Thu Mar 11 06:10:25 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IDE enough? Message-ID: <04Mar11.115611cet.87150@fw01.solleftea.se> Hi! I think you should go for SCSI for root since you will be reading and writing in multiple places at the same time, like /var and /tmp. IDE is great to store backups or things read and written seldom or by just one request at a time. It just doesnt cut it yet and SCSI really is worth the extra money. /daniel ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Robert Arkiletian Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 23:08:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IDE enough? > Idea: save some money and noise. Buy one fast 10k scsi drive for > /home and one > not so fast but quiet 7200 ide drive for root. > > Lab: 30 clients programming in C++ with Anjuta in gnome on dual xeon > server > with 4 gigs ram. > > Question: do I need a 10k scsi drive for root as well as /home or > not????? > > Note: SATA not an option > > Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 11 07:21:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu Mar 11 07:21:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista clients (new thread :) ) In-Reply-To: <404FEF26.9050608@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <404FEF26.9050608@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <40505A38.4000205@cmosnetworks.com> What are those rates that you're seeing? --TP Jonathan Carter wrote: > Jonathan Carter wrote: > > It starts up perfectly, or so it seems. On one of our older screens > you can even see the logon screen. It flickers, and rolls, but you can > see it. On one of the newer screens it shows a message saying that the > (refresh?) rates are out of range, and then shows the rates that look > very low to me. > > Previous message copied and pasted: > > """ > > Hi K12-list > > > > Have anyone used the IBM thin clients with K12 4 before? > > > > I got it booting, and X seems to start perfectly, but it seems that > the refresh rate is out of range (according to a message from one of > our displays). Anyone know how to fix this? > > > > Thanks a million. > > > Hey Jonathon > > You have hijacked another thread so your request might not be seen by > everyone ... > > About your problem - could you give more details about what is > happening when X tries to start - do you see anything on the screen? > do you have any error messages? etc ... > > And if you respond to this - start a new thread so that this one dies ... > > pantz > """ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 11 07:31:20 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu Mar 11 07:31:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IDE enough? In-Reply-To: <200403102308.06171.robark@telus.net> References: <200403102308.06171.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <40505CB6.5080209@cmosnetworks.com> Depends on what you're doing. Yes, SCSI is better at it in general, but I've got 25 folks on a 7200 rpm IDE disk, and they run OO.o, Mozilla (or Konqueror), and, occasionally, the GIMP. They also access their files from Windows boxes (Samba). Most of them run KDE, but I let them also run GNOME or XFce if they wish. My server also has 4GB DRAM. So far, so good. If, on the other hand, you've got hundreds of simultaneous users on a Samba share, I'd go for not just SCSI, but, specifically, SCSI RAID. If you want to do anything like the City of Largo, FL (400 thin clients), then definitely go for SCSI RAID. I think it's because of the amount of DRAM that I have in my server (same as yours) that may be helping, because my server is pretty darned fast (nothing special--dual Athlon 1700+'s). With that much DRAM, all the apps get cached and stay cached. --TP Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Idea: save some money and noise. Buy one fast 10k scsi drive for /home and one >not so fast but quiet 7200 ide drive for root. > >Lab: 30 clients programming in C++ with Anjuta in gnome on dual xeon server >with 4 gigs ram. > >Question: do I need a 10k scsi drive for root as well as /home or not????? > >Note: SATA not an option > >Robert > > > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Mar 11 07:51:01 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu Mar 11 07:51:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista clients (new thread :) ) In-Reply-To: <40505A38.4000205@cmosnetworks.com> References: <404FEF26.9050608@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <40505A38.4000205@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4050605B.2040301@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > What are those rates that you're seeing? > > --TP I can't remember the exact rates (I'm not near those thin clients right now), but both were 30 or lower. The one was 31.something khz, and the other one was in the 20 herts. That sounds terribly low to me. Jonathan From pauldavison at psps.com Thu Mar 11 08:21:00 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Thu Mar 11 08:21:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me....backup reassurance needed In-Reply-To: <404FBDB9.9090202@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4137.170.211.161.150.1078948913.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <404FBDB9.9090202@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4050682F.5030901@psps.com> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Caleb Wagnon wrote: > >> Can someone tell me the most likely things I need to backup on my ltsp >> server > The way I do it is to back up the entire /etc, /opt/ltsp/i386 directory > (or /opt/ltsp/ppc, if you're running PMac clients), and /home > directories. That's always worked pretty well for me...when upgrading > from one version of a certain distro to a newer version of the same > distro, e. g. Red Hat 7.3 to, say, Red Hat 9, or the K12LTSP versions > thereof. I would add a couple of additional items to that list. /var/www/ if it is a webserver, /var/spool/mail if it is a mailserver, and I would take a look in /var/ for any other critical items like mysql databases etc. I would also backup /root/ if there are any critical items there. cheers Paul Davison From pauldavison at psps.com Thu Mar 11 08:40:03 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Thu Mar 11 08:40:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40506CA3.8000309@psps.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have seen some stuff referring to rsync with backing up servers. Can > anyone tell me how this works? Can I use this to make an exact copy of > my running production server to a backup server of either equal or > lesser hardware. Idea being that upon hardware failure of the > production server I would have an up to date backup (or possibly only > 24hrs behind) to swap in and run as a temporary production server until > the main hardware was repaired. Let me know if this is feasible (maybe > I need identical hardware) and if so where to start (what commands to > issue). Ideally I would like to have the two machines running a > scheduled periodic backup that was automatic and did not require any > manual intervention. > > Thanks This is perhaps a question that is too large to be handled in one email, but I can probably shed some light. The common term for this setup is a 'hot spare', in a totally hands off redundant system, there would be a 'heartbeat' running between the main server and the spare. if the main servers heartbeat stops, the second server essentially changes its IP address and becomes the new main server. This is probably a little more involved than you really require. As long as you don't mind doing a little bit of 'hands on' work to bring up your spare. The same result can be obtained using some forethought,'cron' and 'rsync'. If you have a second server which can handle all of the same tasks (or some subset of critical tasks)you can set that server up with the same services enabled and ready to go. This is where 'rsync' and 'cron' come in to play. Set up an 'rsync' command to synchronize the critical data from the main server (home directories, mail spool, web content etc) to the spare server. Use 'cron' to run the 'rsync' command on a regular basis (once a day, once an hour, depends on your needs). this will keep the data up to date on the spare server. Then on the spare server I would create a 'swapserver' script to change the IP address to that of the main server, and enable the services required. Once all that is in place, then all you would need to do to swap in the server in the event of a failure would be to log in to the spare and run the 'swapserver' script. You could do some googleing for terms like 'hot spare' 'heartbeat' and 'disaster recovery' for some additional info. Paul Davison From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 11 08:52:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu Mar 11 08:52:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <40506CA3.8000309@psps.com> Message-ID: <000501c40770$79207b80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks a lot. This is just what I needed. I am not quite ready to try it yet but you have given me a good path to follow when I get there. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Davison Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:42 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have seen some stuff referring to rsync with backing up servers. > Can > anyone tell me how this works? Can I use this to make an exact copy of > my running production server to a backup server of either equal or > lesser hardware. Idea being that upon hardware failure of the > production server I would have an up to date backup (or possibly only > 24hrs behind) to swap in and run as a temporary production server until > the main hardware was repaired. Let me know if this is feasible (maybe > I need identical hardware) and if so where to start (what commands to > issue). Ideally I would like to have the two machines running a > scheduled periodic backup that was automatic and did not require any > manual intervention. > > Thanks This is perhaps a question that is too large to be handled in one email, but I can probably shed some light. The common term for this setup is a 'hot spare', in a totally hands off redundant system, there would be a 'heartbeat' running between the main server and the spare. if the main servers heartbeat stops, the second server essentially changes its IP address and becomes the new main server. This is probably a little more involved than you really require. As long as you don't mind doing a little bit of 'hands on' work to bring up your spare. The same result can be obtained using some forethought,'cron' and 'rsync'. If you have a second server which can handle all of the same tasks (or some subset of critical tasks)you can set that server up with the same services enabled and ready to go. This is where 'rsync' and 'cron' come in to play. Set up an 'rsync' command to synchronize the critical data from the main server (home directories, mail spool, web content etc) to the spare server. Use 'cron' to run the 'rsync' command on a regular basis (once a day, once an hour, depends on your needs). this will keep the data up to date on the spare server. Then on the spare server I would create a 'swapserver' script to change the IP address to that of the main server, and enable the services required. Once all that is in place, then all you would need to do to swap in the server in the event of a failure would be to log in to the spare and run the 'swapserver' script. You could do some googleing for terms like 'hot spare' 'heartbeat' and 'disaster recovery' for some additional info. Paul Davison _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From nbs at sonic.net Thu Mar 11 08:57:01 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu Mar 11 08:57:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel Message-ID: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> Just a note to try and gather some feedback... I've finally gotten around to changing the 'look-n-feel' of my "Tux Paint" website. It doesn't look like the rest of my New Breed Software site, which is admittedly a little cluttered (lots of stuff on the sidebars, app-specific page links as tabs at the top, etc.) Check it out and lemme know what you think: http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ The content is almost entirely the same. It should just look nicer, and less overwhelming. :^) (Kinda like Tux Paint itself ;^) ) -bill! From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 09:02:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:02:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4667.170.211.161.150.1079013798.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Bill Kendrick said: > The content is almost entirely the same. It should just look nicer, and > less overwhelming. :^) (Kinda like Tux Paint itself ;^) ) Wow...that's really nice and clean. Good work. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From andyr at wizzy.com Thu Mar 11 09:03:00 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:03:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IDE enough? In-Reply-To: <40505CB6.5080209@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200403102308.06171.robark@telus.net> <40505CB6.5080209@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20040311132814.GP1490@wizzy.com> On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > If, on the other hand, you've got hundreds of simultaneous users on a > Samba share, I'd go for not just SCSI, but, specifically, SCSI RAID. If > you want to do anything like the City of Largo, FL (400 thin clients), > then definitely go for SCSI RAID. I know the original poster said that SATA was not an option, but there was a very interesting thread started by Joe Guenther on 18 Feb 2004 discussing SCSI vs. SATA in an LTSP environment. Chris Kacoroski posted some benchmarks on 2 Mar. SATA looks very promising, but requires support for some of the more advanced features both on the controller and the hard disk itself. RAM always helps. Cheers, Andy! http://wizzy.org.za/ From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 11 09:03:04 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:03:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000b01c40772$00163ca0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I think the new site looks great (I'll admit I just glanced at it). Thanks for your work on this software, I hope this will be a big tool to help a couple of our diehard mac schools switch. They are stuck with Kid Pix right now and refuse to switch if there isn't a replacment in the Linux side. Thanks again for all your hard work. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bill Kendrick Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:59 AM To: K-12 Open Source NOW Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel Just a note to try and gather some feedback... I've finally gotten around to changing the 'look-n-feel' of my "Tux Paint" website. It doesn't look like the rest of my New Breed Software site, which is admittedly a little cluttered (lots of stuff on the sidebars, app-specific page links as tabs at the top, etc.) Check it out and lemme know what you think: http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ The content is almost entirely the same. It should just look nicer, and less overwhelming. :^) (Kinda like Tux Paint itself ;^) ) -bill! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From baci at harborcityschool.org Thu Mar 11 09:06:01 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:06:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista clients (new thread :) ) In-Reply-To: <40505A38.4000205@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <006c01c40773$08142d30$7b05000a@harborcityschool.net> How are you doing this?? Using which boot image? Could anyone PLEASE take a moment to describe their process. Chris Bacigalupo, +++++++++++++++++++++++ Technical Coordinator Harbor City International School 332 W. Mich. St. Ste. 300 Duluth, MN 55802 http://www.harborcityschool.org tel. (218) 722.7574 fax. (218) 625.6068 cel. (218) 428.1264 +++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 06:23 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista clients (new thread :) ) What are those rates that you're seeing? --TP Jonathan Carter wrote: > Jonathan Carter wrote: > > It starts up perfectly, or so it seems. On one of our older screens > you can even see the logon screen. It flickers, and rolls, but you can > see it. On one of the newer screens it shows a message saying that the > (refresh?) rates are out of range, and then shows the rates that look > very low to me. > > Previous message copied and pasted: > > """ > > Hi K12-list > > > > Have anyone used the IBM thin clients with K12 4 before? > > > > I got it booting, and X seems to start perfectly, but it seems that > the refresh rate is out of range (according to a message from one of > our displays). Anyone know how to fix this? > > > > Thanks a million. > > > Hey Jonathon > > You have hijacked another thread so your request might not be seen by > everyone ... > > About your problem - could you give more details about what is > happening when X tries to start - do you see anything on the screen? > do you have any error messages? etc ... > > And if you respond to this - start a new thread so that this one dies > ... > > pantz > """ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From pantz at lqt.ca Thu Mar 11 09:28:00 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:28:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista clients (new thread :) ) In-Reply-To: <4050605B.2040301@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <404FEF26.9050608@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <40505A38.4000205@cmosnetworks.com> <4050605B.2040301@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <4050780D.2030608@lqt.ca> Jonathan Carter wrote: > Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > >> What are those rates that you're seeing? >> >> --TP > > > I can't remember the exact rates (I'm not near those thin clients > right now), but both were 30 or lower. The one was 31.something khz, > and the other one was in the 20 herts. > > That sounds terribly low to me. have you tried using different X_MODE values in your lts.conf (such as those described in this how-to - http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html)? and can i ask which X_SERVER you are using for the netvistas? pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 11 09:30:07 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:30:07 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040311093202.6a27dff1.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Bill Kendrick wrote: > http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ Looks great Bill! I find it gleefully ironic that the developer of such a graphical program uses Mutt as his email client. Hoorah! ;o) Thanks for all you do, -Shawn From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 11 09:30:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:30:12 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me....backup reassurance needed In-Reply-To: <4137.170.211.161.150.1078948913.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <4137.170.211.161.150.1078948913.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1079015544.19862.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 14:01, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Can someone tell me the most likely things I need to backup on my ltsp server > for migration? I know....but still...... > The nicest way is to build a new machine for the upgrade. Then you can merge the users from the /etc/shadow, /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/samba/smbpasswd files, rsync /home over, and still be able to go back and pick though anything else you might have missed. 2nd best is to be running backuppc which will automatically have copies of everything that you can access with a browser. 3rd best is to rsync each filesystem to a holding space somewhere just before the change. Big IDE drives are cheap and good enough to hold spare copies that you can get back quickly with an "rsync -essh ..." and if you have a copy of everything you don't have to worry about what you missed. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 09:42:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 09:42:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] EL----terminals won't finish boot.....parse error Message-ID: <4830.170.211.161.150.1079016229.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Here is the message I get while they're booting: rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode parse error, line=23 I don't know what file the parse error is in...it doesn't say. I looked in rc.sysinit and line 23 is empty. Line 23 of my lts.conf has nothing unusual either. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Mar 11 10:28:00 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu Mar 11 10:28:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Information System In-Reply-To: <20040310214002.48862d66.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <404F950A.9060809@elp.rr.com> <200403101810.10902.james@mineralschool.net> <20040310214002.48862d66.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <405085E0.9020607@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > James Mayfield wrote: > >>I'd like to find a nice one that exists because i really dont feel like >>having to code my own.. hehe > > > Check out http://www.lissard.org -- great potential, just needs some coding. (It's all been done by one guy.) The core is in place, and it seems to have GREAT potential. I wish I could give it the time to get it in our school now, but unfortunately I need to spend tens of thousands of dollars to get our school a new system... *sigh* > > Keep me posted off-list (please) because I still hope someday to get an open-source SMS in our district. > > -Shawn > > Has anyone installed OpenAdmin? I've been looking at this one. I am in the process of installing it (have been for about 2 months -- the busier I am, the behinder I gets). ;-> It's up to version 1.20 now. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From jam at mcquil.com Thu Mar 11 10:55:01 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu Mar 11 10:55:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] EL----terminals won't finish boot.....parse error In-Reply-To: <4830.170.211.161.150.1079016229.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: Caleb, line 23 of lts.conf may not look unusual to you, but there still could be a problem. the getltscfg in ltsp-4 is picky about equal signs '='. If you have a line that contains more than one equal sign, you need to protect the additional equal signs in quotes. Take a look at http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4-errata.html for more info. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Here is the message I get while they're booting: > > rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode > > parse error, line=23 > > > I don't know what file the parse error is in...it doesn't say. I looked in > rc.sysinit and line 23 is empty. Line 23 of my lts.conf has nothing unusual > either. > > > From satimis at icare.com.hk Thu Mar 11 11:06:00 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Thu Mar 11 11:06:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <40506CA3.8000309@psps.com> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40506CA3.8000309@psps.com> Message-ID: <200403120900.33088.satimis@icare.com.hk> - snip - > If you have a second server which can handle all of the same tasks (or > some subset of critical tasks)you can set that server up with the same > services enabled and ready to go. This is where 'rsync' and 'cron' come > in to play. Set up an 'rsync' command to synchronize the critical data > from the main server (home directories, mail spool, web content etc) to > the spare server. Use 'cron' to run the 'rsync' command on a regular > basis (once a day, once an hour, depends on your needs). this will keep > the data up to date on the spare server. Then on the spare server I > would create a 'swapserver' script to change the IP address to that of > the main server, and enable the services required. Hi Paul, Kindly advise what is the difference in application between 'rsync' and 'clustering' TIA B.R. Stephen Liu > Once all that is in place, then all you would need to do to swap in the > server in the event of a failure would be to log in to the spare and run > the 'swapserver' script. > > You could do some googleing for terms like 'hot spare' 'heartbeat' and > 'disaster recovery' for some additional info. > > Paul Davison From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Thu Mar 11 11:13:33 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Mar 11 11:13:33 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access Message-ID: <405090A4.1070306@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hi All! I am trying to determine the best method to monitor internet access for my K12LTSP box. With the help of this group I was able to get Squid & SquidGuard working and blocking sites. However, when I ran Sarg to review the access I was only able to see one user (server.ltsp) actually accessing the sites. I have Squid and SquidGuard running on my K12LTSP machine. Is there a way I can view which user (logged into a client workstation) went to a particular site? Can I use Squid & SquidGuard to do this in conjuction with Sarg? What do you guys recommend? Thanks for any suggestions, Mike From webmaster at vol.org Thu Mar 11 11:39:01 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu Mar 11 11:39:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access In-Reply-To: <405090A4.1070306@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <405090A4.1070306@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <1079023177.6727.21.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 10:15, Michael Elliott wrote: > I am trying to determine the best method to monitor internet access for > my K12LTSP box. This may not be the best method, but I have Squid, SquidGuard and DansGuardian all running on box all of their own. On the LTSP server, Mozilla is configured to use the Squid box as a proxy. The firewall (a separate box) blocks all port 80, etc. requests except through the Squid box. This prevents people from disabling the proxy settings in Mozilla. In addition, the LTSP box is running identd so that DansGuardian shows usernames in the logfiles. I use the DansGuardian log files to monitor Internet access and only look at the Squid log files to see how Squid is performing. The only problem I have with any of this is that identd puts a heavy load on the CPU on the LTSP server when many users are browsing. It gets even worse when our T1 is having problems. Does anyone know of any way to tame identd in this situation? -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Thu Mar 11 11:51:01 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu Mar 11 11:51:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access Message-ID: <40509970.3070504@www.rpmhealthstop.org> George - You mentioned CPU drain with identd - I have a 2.4GHz Celeron, do you believe I would have issues with only 5-10 users? This afternoon I may try DansGuardian. I didn't realize it already contained User IDs. Do you have any suggestions or advice for the install? Thanks, Michael From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 11 12:10:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:10:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <200403120900.33088.satimis@icare.com.hk> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40506CA3.8000309@psps.com> <200403120900.33088.satimis@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: <1079024830.12939.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 19:00, Stephen Liu wrote: > Kindly advise what is the difference in application between 'rsync' and > 'clustering' > Rsync doesn't keep the target updated in real time to match changes in the source - it just does periodic snapshots at whatever interval you run it. Switching over to the backup would be essentially the same as restoring from a tape backup made at the time of the last run, just a lot faster and easier to do. Clustering usually means you keep the data updated in real time or network-mount a single filesystem on multiple machines that share the load. In this case you still need a backup for the data. There are also some hybrid concepts that sound interesting to keep the data syncronized on a fail-over spare. These would involve running RAID mirroring over double-ended SCSI, firewire, or something called the 'network device block' to drives that the alternate machine can access directly and some kind of heartbeat that lets the backup machine know when to take over. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Mar 11 12:13:01 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:13:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] USB wireless in Fedora? Message-ID: <40509EB1.10108@glenwood.k12.mo.us> I've been preaching the gospel of Linux with my friends. Now a buddy has the Fedora Core 1 on a DVD and can't get his USB wireless NIC working... any help? "Do you know anything about setting up a USB wireless network adapter under Fedora? I don't have a clue where to start." -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 12:42:41 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:42:41 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp 4 and thinknics not working In-Reply-To: <3159.170.211.161.150.1079025549.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3159.170.211.161.150.1079025549.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <3249.170.211.161.150.1079027040.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Caleb Wagnon said: I'm grasping the end of the rope. Has anyone gotten ltsp 4 to work with thinknics? I can't get an xserver going for the life of me. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 12:47:13 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:47:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] rc.sysinit hang Message-ID: <3262.170.211.161.150.1079027322.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Now the parse errors have stopped after commenting out (a very necessary) line of mine in lts.conf. Now the terminals hang at: rc.sysinit completed, switching to multisession mode -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From dgough at papcs.com Thu Mar 11 12:52:06 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:52:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B66@xms.papcs.com> Take a look at CensorNet. http://www.censornet.com/ Very slick, pre-configured opensource content filter. We use it and I highly recommend it. Doug Gough > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Elliott > Sent: March 11, 2004 8:53 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access > > > George - > You mentioned CPU drain with identd - I have a 2.4GHz Celeron, do you > believe I would have issues with only 5-10 users? This > afternoon I may > try DansGuardian. I didn't realize it already contained User > IDs. Do > you have any suggestions or advice for the install? > > Thanks, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From keboone39 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 11 12:54:01 2004 From: keboone39 at hotmail.com (Kevin Boone) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:54:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org Message-ID: does anyone know why OpenOffice.org writer takes forever to laod???? _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 11 12:59:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Mar 11 12:59:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp 4 and thinknics not working In-Reply-To: <3249.170.211.161.150.1079027040.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3159.170.211.161.150.1079025549.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <3249.170.211.161.150.1079027040.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1079028072.3733.94.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 09:44, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Caleb Wagnon said: > I'm grasping the end of the rope. Has anyone gotten ltsp 4 to work with > thinknics? I can't get an xserver going for the life of me. > There was a patch to fix thinknics that was added to K12LTSP 4.0.1 that was not copied over to the EL packages. I've updated the test EL repository. Re-run yum and let me know if your problem goes away. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have tried this on several different machines. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 11 13:22:01 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu Mar 11 13:22:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <000501c40770$79207b80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks a lot. This is just what I needed. I am not quite ready to try > it yet but you have given me a good path to follow when I get there. > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have seen some stuff referring to rsync with backing up servers. > > Can > > anyone tell me how this works? Can I use this to make an exact copy > of > > my running production server to a backup server of either equal or > > lesser hardware. Idea being that upon hardware failure of the > > production server I would have an up to date backup (or possibly only > > 24hrs behind) to swap in and run as a temporary production server > until > > the main hardware was repaired. Let me know if this is feasible > (maybe > > I need identical hardware) and if so where to start (what commands to > > issue). Ideally I would like to have the two machines running a > > scheduled periodic backup that was automatic and did not require any > > manual intervention. > > > > Thanks > > This is perhaps a question that is too large to be handled in one email, > > but I can probably shed some light. > > The common term for this setup is a 'hot spare', in a totally hands off > redundant system, there would be a 'heartbeat' running between the main > server and the spare. if the main servers heartbeat stops, the second > server essentially changes its IP address and becomes the new main > server. This is probably a little more involved than you really > require. As long as you don't mind doing a little bit of 'hands on' > work to bring up your spare. The same result can be obtained using some > forethought,'cron' and 'rsync'. > > If you have a second server which can handle all of the same tasks (or > some subset of critical tasks)you can set that server up with the same > services enabled and ready to go. This is where 'rsync' and 'cron' come > > in to play. Set up an 'rsync' command to synchronize the critical data > from the main server (home directories, mail spool, web content etc) to > the spare server. Use 'cron' to run the 'rsync' command on a regular > basis (once a day, once an hour, depends on your needs). this will keep > the data up to date on the spare server. Then on the spare server I > would create a 'swapserver' script to change the IP address to that of > the main server, and enable the services required. > > Once all that is in place, then all you would need to do to swap in the > server in the event of a failure would be to log in to the spare and run > > the 'swapserver' script. > > You could do some googleing for terms like 'hot spare' 'heartbeat' and > 'disaster recovery' for some additional info. > > Paul Davison I'd like to add an important caveat to Paul's response: the "swapserver" script needs to be tested and retested until you are really satisfied that it works as advertised. Another important caveat: make absolutely, positively sure that the "downed" server stays down, otherwise you *will* have network havoc. I've learned the hard way not to pretend that the main server is up (see preceding), but to have scripts enabling access to the secondary server in case the primary goes away. just my $0.02. julius From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 11 13:29:01 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu Mar 11 13:29:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp 4 and thinknics not working In-Reply-To: <3249.170.211.161.150.1079027040.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > > Caleb Wagnon said: > I'm grasping the end of the rope. Has anyone gotten ltsp 4 to work with > thinknics? I can't get an xserver going for the life of me. Caleb, what do you have for xserver in lts.conf? i am set to auto and all the thinknics come up fine. julius From pauldavison at psps.com Thu Mar 11 13:33:00 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Thu Mar 11 13:33:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <200403120900.33088.satimis@icare.com.hk> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <40506CA3.8000309@psps.com> <200403120900.33088.satimis@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: <4050B149.30802@psps.com> Stephen Liu wrote: > Kindly advise what is the difference in application between 'rsync' and > 'clustering' rsync is an application for synchronizing data between two or more locations. clustering is generally used to refer to a number of computers being integrated in such a way that they function like a single computer. From dgough at papcs.com Thu Mar 11 13:45:21 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu Mar 11 13:45:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B6A@xms.papcs.com> Hmmm....I've had it on IDE and SCSI systems. It has always detected the IDE automatically, and for SCSI, I just tell it sda1, and it happily installs. Which kind of drive are you using? Doug > > Doug Gough said: > > Take a look at CensorNet. > > > > http://www.censornet.com/ > > I've downloaded that and can't get it to install on a single > machine. Always can't find a harddrive and when I specify one > it isn't found. Any ideas? I have tried this on several > different machines. From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 13:49:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 13:49:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access In-Reply-To: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B6A@xms.papcs.com> References: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B6A@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <3389.170.211.161.150.1079031032.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Doug Gough said: > Hmmm....I've had it on IDE and SCSI systems. It has always detected the > IDE automatically, and for SCSI, I just tell it sda1, and it happily > installs. Which kind of drive are you using? I've tried it on WD, Maxtor, and seagate on different machines all ide. I've tried it with a WD scsi too. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 13:59:02 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 13:59:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] My EL--k12ltsp4--thinknic saga continues Message-ID: <3420.170.211.161.150.1079031617.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I tell you what guys....none of that fixed my problems. Since I had several oddball hardware issues during this install I'm gonna start a fresh one now. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From webmaster at vol.org Thu Mar 11 14:02:01 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:02:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access In-Reply-To: <40509970.3070504@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <40509970.3070504@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <1079031717.6727.33.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 10:53, Michael Elliott wrote: > George - > You mentioned CPU drain with identd - I have a 2.4GHz Celeron, do you > believe I would have issues with only 5-10 users? This afternoon I may > try DansGuardian. I didn't realize it already contained User IDs. Do > you have any suggestions or advice for the install? I really couldn't tell you for sure. You'll just have to try it and see what happens. I'm running a dual 2.8Ghz Xeon. I can have 30 people looking at mainly text based sites and identd is fine. The problem starts when they're on sites with lots of pictures as identd gets called for each requested object and gets even worse when our T1 is experiencing extreme latency. As far as the install of DG goes, you may want to play with a distro that has it already set up. I believe someone mentioned Censornet. My install is two years old... which may have something to do with my identd problems now that I think about it. No matter, I'll be redoing that machine in the summer. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us Thu Mar 11 14:06:00 2004 From: jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us (John Pace) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:06:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access In-Reply-To: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B66@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: I just left the CensorNet website, the interface looks very well designed. Question: Do I have to use their blacklist? Or can I use Squidguard's? John Pace Webster County Library (417) 468-3335 jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 11:55 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access Take a look at CensorNet. http://www.censornet.com/ Very slick, pre-configured opensource content filter. We use it and I highly recommend it. Doug Gough > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Elliott > Sent: March 11, 2004 8:53 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access > > > George - > You mentioned CPU drain with identd - I have a 2.4GHz Celeron, do you > believe I would have issues with only 5-10 users? This > afternoon I may > try DansGuardian. I didn't realize it already contained User > IDs. Do > you have any suggestions or advice for the install? > > Thanks, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 14:12:03 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:12:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question Message-ID: <3454.170.211.161.150.1079032443.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I've been migrating my passwd,shadow,and group files from my old ltsp server. Am I messing up? Perhaps there have been special users added for something in the new ltsp that my old server didn't have? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From dgough at papcs.com Thu Mar 11 14:18:03 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:18:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B6B@xms.papcs.com> You would have to import them manually, but I think you can use Squidguard's lists. Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Pace > Sent: March 11, 2004 11:09 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access > > > I just left the CensorNet website, the interface looks very > well designed. > > Question: Do I have to use their blacklist? Or can I use Squidguard's? From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 14:26:04 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:26:04 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] A minor wbel--k12ltsp issue Message-ID: <3584.170.211.161.150.1079033250.squirrel@170.211.161.150> for some reason when i use eric's install disc....my /etc/whitebox-release file gets eaten. No big deal....I just make one. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From pauldavison at psps.com Thu Mar 11 14:38:02 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:38:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: <3454.170.211.161.150.1079032443.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3454.170.211.161.150.1079032443.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <4050C09C.6050805@psps.com> Its always a good idea to do a 'diff passwd oldpasswd' to note the changes. I generally only bring over users and groups with uid/gid greater than 500 (generally where the real users start). I would be a lot more cautious if moving between distros or between major versions. Paul Davison Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I've been migrating my passwd,shadow,and group files from my old ltsp server. > Am I messing up? Perhaps there have been special users added for something in > the new ltsp that my old server didn't have? > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 11 14:39:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu Mar 11 14:39:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: <3454.170.211.161.150.1079032443.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3454.170.211.161.150.1079032443.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1079033800.12939.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 13:14, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I've been migrating my passwd,shadow,and group files from my old ltsp server. > Am I messing up? Perhaps there have been special users added for something in > the new ltsp that my old server didn't have? You are probably OK, but if you still have a copy of the old ones or a similar install of the new OS on another machine, compare the users below uid 500. There may be more services running under their own uid's in the current version than whatever you were running before and some of the home directories may have moved. All of the uid's installed by redhat/fedora should be below 500, and all of the users added with the system tools should be above 500 so there shouldn't be any conflicts, just some possible changes on the system side. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From samps at redjocks.com Thu Mar 11 15:49:00 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Thu Mar 11 15:49:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4050D134.4080809@redjocks.com> Bill Kendrick wrote: > > Check it out and lemme know what you think: > > http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ > > The content is almost entirely the same. It should just look nicer, and > less overwhelming. :^) (Kinda like Tux Paint itself ;^) ) > > -bill! > > Neat! I'll be installing Tux Paint, on 140 computers, over the weekend. Our kids love it. cheers Samps From csitech at practical.edu Thu Mar 11 16:11:58 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Thu Mar 11 16:11:58 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Network 24 Message-ID: Greetings again everyone! I'm attempting to setup an IBM Network 24 on our LTSP server. The printer has it's own IP on our network, but I have no idea how to go about setting up the printer. Thanks in advance. Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry ----- Email: csitech at practical.edu WWW: http://www.practical.edu Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 Fax: 607.729.2962 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 16:54:06 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 16:54:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] wbel---k12ltsp 2nd install Message-ID: <3876.170.211.161.150.1079042162.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I did a plain jane install to the letter. Migrated nothing. Everything looks good. Dhcp is started but not handing out any addresses. I stopped iptables and still nothing. I'm at the end of my rope here. I'm gonna check out knoppix-ltsp and see if it will do what I need for now. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From samps at redjocks.com Thu Mar 11 17:03:03 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Thu Mar 11 17:03:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Where do I find boot proms for RTL8139? Message-ID: <4050E2A7.3030504@redjocks.com> G'day all I'm looking at buying 50-100 PXE boot proms for RTL8139 NICs. Any of you know of a reputable shop that doesn't mind shipping to Australia? cheers Samps From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Mar 11 17:09:01 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (MrGoblin) Date: Thu Mar 11 17:09:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <004301c406e3$3bf19f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004301c406e3$3bf19f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4050E40A.7030107@scooter.co.nz> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks, I'll give it a try. You might also want to check out this link http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/index.html mRgOBLIN From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 11 18:25:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu Mar 11 18:25:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4050F5F6.6050800@cmosnetworks.com> Two reasons. 1.) Unlike MS Word, which performs one function, OO.o is one big monolithic application that does word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, and database access. So, when you fire it up, from the perspective of a Microsoft Office user, you're essentially firing up four applications, or all of MS Office except for Outlook. That's why OO.o Writer can directly open spreadsheets and presentations; it's all one big app. Note that OO.o 1.1.0 is considerably better about this than 1.0.x or 1.1Beta, and the 1.1.1rc1 is yet faster to load. 2.) Remember when Windows 98 came out, and the boot times were more than double that for Windows 95? On a test machine several years ago, I clocked Windows 95 booting in just over 40 sec. Win 98 on the same box took over two minutes. However, Internet Exploder launched more quickly on Windows 98 than on '95. Reason: Win 98 included IE and pre-cached it non-pageable at boot time, thus giving the illusion to the user of faster browser startup times than Netscape, whom they were battling at the time. Essentially, MS robbed Peter to pay Paul. Turns out that recent versions of MS Office on, say, Windows 2000 and XP do the same thing. The MS Office apps come up faster because Microsoft included code to pre-cache them at boot time, as you're logging in. Yes, it is sneaky, but that's what happens when you own the OS and the office suite; you can do that. The price is that it takes longer to boot and log in. --TP Kevin Boone wrote: > does anyone know why OpenOffice.org writer takes forever to laod???? > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Mar 11 18:35:03 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu Mar 11 18:35:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4050F840.2060706@snet.net> Looks GREAT! tony Bill Kendrick wrote: > Just a note to try and gather some feedback... > I've finally gotten around to changing the 'look-n-feel' of my > "Tux Paint" website. It doesn't look like the rest of my New Breed Software > site, which is admittedly a little cluttered (lots of stuff on the > sidebars, app-specific page links as tabs at the top, etc.) > > Check it out and lemme know what you think: > > http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ > > The content is almost entirely the same. It should just look nicer, and > less overwhelming. :^) (Kinda like Tux Paint itself ;^) ) > > -bill! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 11 19:01:02 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu Mar 11 19:01:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: <3454.170.211.161.150.1079032443.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I've been migrating my passwd,shadow,and group files from my old ltsp server. > Am I messing up? Perhaps there have been special users added for something in > the new ltsp that my old server didn't have? > did you remember gshadow? From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 19:20:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 19:20:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: References: <3454.170.211.161.150.1079032443.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1130.66.138.175.60.1079050882.squirrel@66.138.175.60> Julius Szelagiewicz said: > did you remember gshadow? Errrrr.........no......what's that =O -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 11 21:46:21 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu Mar 11 21:46:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: <1130.66.138.175.60.1079050882.squirrel@66.138.175.60> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz said: > > did you remember gshadow? > > Errrrr.........no......what's that > > =O Caleb, gshadow is to group what shadow is to passwd. julius From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Mar 11 21:57:00 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu Mar 11 21:57:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Jammin 125 & Fedora: any issues? Message-ID: Hi group I was wandering if any of the folks that use the Jammin 125 (from Disklessworstations.com) are having any issues with the Fedora K12LTSP install? I am having a district-wide demo on Friday, and 3 out of 5 tries today (Thursday) the connection was just not there... I don't use the Jammin 125 often enough to know - with a flat monitor they certainly make an impressive package... If you know of any upgrades or hints that may help my smooth sailing, please come forward. Cheers Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org -=o=- From jam at mcquil.com Thu Mar 11 22:02:21 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Thu Mar 11 22:02:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Jammin 125 & Fedora: any issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi group > > I was wandering if any of the folks that use the Jammin 125 (from > Disklessworstations.com) are having any issues with the Fedora > K12LTSP install? I am having a district-wide demo on Friday, and 3 > out of 5 tries today (Thursday) the connection was just not there... > > I don't use the Jammin 125 often enough to know - with a flat monitor > they certainly make an impressive package... > > If you know of any upgrades or hints that may help my smooth sailing, > please come forward. Alan, We moved DisklessWorkstations.Com into a new office about 30 days ago, and when we built our new LTSP server, we loaded k12ltsp 4.0 on it, and every Jammin-125 that we've built since has booted from a Fedora box with no problem at all. So, I'm certain that the J-125's work great with Fedora and K12ltsp. When you say "connection was just not there", can you describe the problem in more detail ? Does it get an IP address from DHCP ? Does it get the kernel ? Do you see the kernel initializing the workstation ? At what point does it appear to fail ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Cheers > Alan A Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 11 23:03:05 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Mar 11 23:03:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Network 24 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Calvin Park, ACDS wrote: >Greetings again everyone! I'm attempting to setup an IBM Network 24 on our >LTSP server. The printer has it's own IP on our network, but I have no idea >how to go about setting up the printer. Thanks in advance. The definitive source for Linux printing is http://www.linuxprinting.org/ The IBM Network 24 is not listed on the IBM page: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=IBM A bit of Google'ing implies that the IBM Network 24 might be the same as a Lexmark Optra N or a HP 5Si. I don't see anything for the Optra N: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Lexmark Here's the link to the HP 5si page: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_5Si -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 11 23:05:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Mar 11 23:05:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] A minor wbel--k12ltsp issue In-Reply-To: <3584.170.211.161.150.1079033250.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: >for some reason when i use eric's install disc....my /etc/whitebox-release >file gets eaten. No big deal....I just make one. Hmm, I don't see how this is possible. I'll try d/l the whitebox disks this weekend to see if I can repeat this. It certainly does not eat /etc/redhat-release. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 11 23:16:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Mar 11 23:16:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] wbel---k12ltsp 2nd install In-Reply-To: <3876.170.211.161.150.1079042162.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: >I did a plain jane install to the letter. Migrated nothing. Everything looks >good. Dhcp is started but not handing out any addresses. I stopped iptables >and still nothing. I'm at the end of my rope here. Type the following command to verify that dhcpd is actually listening: netstat -nap | grep :67 It should return something like: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* 8832/dhcpd If dhcpd is running, verify that the correct config file is installed. First make sure the correct package is installed: rpm -qf /etc/dhcpd.conf This should return "dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.3-k12ltsp.0.3.1" If it does return the right value, run "rpm -Vf /etc/dhcpd.conf" to validate it. If either returns a different value, let me know what it is. >I'm gonna check out >knoppix-ltsp and see if it will do what I need for now. I've not had a chance to play with this in a while. Let us know how it goes! -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 11 23:20:01 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu Mar 11 23:20:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] USB wireless in Fedora? In-Reply-To: <40509EB1.10108@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: >I've been preaching the gospel of Linux with my friends. Now a buddy >has the Fedora Core 1 on a DVD and can't get his USB wireless NIC >working... any help? > >"Do you know anything about setting up a USB wireless network adapter >under Fedora? I don't have a clue where to start." What make/model of USB wireless NIC? -Eric From nbs at sonic.net Thu Mar 11 23:32:01 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu Mar 11 23:32:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <4050D134.4080809@redjocks.com> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <4050D134.4080809@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <20040312043357.GF19112@sonic.net> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:21:00AM +1030, Samps wrote: > Neat! > > I'll be installing Tux Paint, on 140 computers, over the weekend. Our > kids love it. Wow, cool! :^) Can you tell me more? May I put it up on the Tux Paint site under 'reviews'? ;^) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Hey Shatner, ya remember that episode of http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ Space Trek where your show got cancelled?" From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 23:36:03 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 23:36:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: References: <1130.66.138.175.60.1079050882.squirrel@66.138.175.60> Message-ID: <1179.66.138.175.86.1079066275.squirrel@66.138.175.86> Julius Szelagiewicz said: > Caleb, > gshadow is to group what shadow is to passwd. julius Well I back up all of etc...so I have the backups. I have never restored that fiel though. Not even on my samba pdc. What will this cause if I don't? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 11 23:44:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu Mar 11 23:44:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040312043357.GF19112@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <4050D134.4080809@redjocks.com> <20040312043357.GF19112@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1221.66.138.175.86.1079066715.squirrel@66.138.175.86> >> I'll be installing Tux Paint, on 140 computers, over the weekend. Our >> kids love it. Hehe...we're running tux paint and tux math on 60 terminals and 30 lab machines..... The kids want breaks and we don't want them playing brain decaying, bandwidth hogging games when they get done with their work. These packages have been the perfect solution. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Mar 12 00:02:00 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri Mar 12 00:02:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista clients (new thread :) ) In-Reply-To: <4050780D.2030608@lqt.ca> References: <404FEF26.9050608@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <40505A38.4000205@cmosnetworks.com> <4050605B.2040301@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <4050780D.2030608@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <405143DE.50802@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Paul Pianta wrote: > Jonathan Carter wrote: > >> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: >> >>> What are those rates that you're seeing? >>> >>> --TP >> >> >> >> I can't remember the exact rates (I'm not near those thin clients >> right now), but both were 30 or lower. The one was 31.something khz, >> and the other one was in the 20 herts. >> >> That sounds terribly low to me. > > > have you tried using different X_MODE values in your lts.conf (such as > those described in this how-to - > http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html)? > > and can i ask which X_SERVER you are using for the netvistas? > > pantz Yes, I've tried the examples in the current lts.conf file. I'll try those from the website today, thanks. I'm using the cyrix driver. I read something about a nsc driver in a howto, but it doesn't seem to exist? Besides that I did everything to the book, flashed the bios with the updated bootloader, used the custom netvista kernel... and it does boot up right, it's just the refresh issue. When I get to the computer later I'll give it another try, and get some more information to pass on to this list. Thanks Jonathan -- Jonathan Carter The Shuttleworth Foundation Tel +27 21 970 1230 | Fax +27 21 970 1231 http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/oscp/ From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Fri Mar 12 00:51:01 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri Mar 12 00:51:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IDE enough? In-Reply-To: <40505CB6.5080209@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200403102308.06171.robark@telus.net> <40505CB6.5080209@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1079037500.1394.7.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Terrell, Good combination. Not TOO MANY users and truckloads of RAM. A balance between terminals and file / print serving. Linux uses as much ram as possible for file caching. It would be interesting to see what performance is like with another 10 terminals. So yeah, The DRAM is definitely helping you in this case. Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 01:33, Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Depends on what you're doing. Yes, SCSI is better at it in general, but > I've got 25 folks on a 7200 rpm IDE disk, and they run OO.o, Mozilla (or > Konqueror), and, occasionally, the GIMP. They also access their files > from Windows boxes (Samba). Most of them run KDE, but I let them also > run GNOME or XFce if they wish. My server also has 4GB DRAM. So far, > so good. > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Fri Mar 12 00:52:01 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri Mar 12 00:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079037841.1394.12.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Kevin, I'm not sure why it takes forever to load, but I have found a fix. In the user's /home folder is a hidden folder named .openoffice I renamed this and then ran the OO setup again. I ran into this problem after adding A LOT of fonts. Here's the interesting quirk. I added the fonts as root, but it effected my settings. Root settings worked without a hitch. Perhaps my procedure is not correct. Cheers, Bert On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 06:56, Kevin Boone wrote: > does anyone know why OpenOffice.org writer takes forever to laod???? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. > http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Mar 12 02:58:01 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri Mar 12 02:58:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079078363.31312.9.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 23:26, Kevin Boone wrote: > does anyone know why OpenOffice.org writer takes forever to laod???? Periodically delete the file /home/$USER/OpenOffice.org1.1.0/user/psprint/pspfontcache and you will see improvement is peed. This file keeps growing with use of different fonts. Picked this up at www.oooforums.org ad it worked for me. Operative word is "improve" Others have replied generics in detail. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From daniel.hedblom at SKOLA.SOLLEFTEA.SE Fri Mar 12 02:58:39 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at SKOLA.SOLLEFTEA.SE (Hedblom Daniel) Date: Fri Mar 12 02:58:39 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Jammin 125 & Fedora: any issues? Message-ID: <04Mar12.090032cet.87056@fw01.solleftea.se> Hi! Do you get past DHCP and get a valid ip address or does it stall somewhere further down? ----------------------- Daniel Hedblom Sysadmin Nipan School District Sollefte? Sweden +46073-0639090 ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Alan A Hodson Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:01:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Jammin 125 & Fedora: any issues? > Hi group > > I was wandering if any of the folks that use the Jammin 125 (from > Disklessworstations.com) are having any issues with the Fedora > K12LTSP install? I am having a district-wide demo on Friday, and 3 > out of 5 tries today (Thursday) the connection was just not there... > > I don't use the Jammin 125 often enough to know - with a flat monitor > they certainly make an impressive package... > > If you know of any upgrades or hints that may help my smooth sailing, > please come forward. > > Cheers > Alan A Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 12 08:47:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Mar 12 08:47:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <4050E40A.7030107@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <002101c40838$f5cf97b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks! That is a pretty nice tutorial (Maybe even nice enough for a newb like me). I am picking up my new production servers on Saturday and should start trying to RSYNC by next week. Of course I will try it, kill my server, and see if it really works. I get paranoid when it comes to backups. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of MrGoblin Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:11 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks, I'll give it a try. You might also want to check out this link http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/index.html mRgOBLIN _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 12 08:50:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Mar 12 08:50:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <4050F5F6.6050800@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <002701c40839$7393a330$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> On another note, I have noticed that once you load it the first time in each session, the load speeds thereafter are exceptionally quick. I don't know if this is a result of the program still being cached or in RAM or something, but at least a user only sits through a painful load once per session (At least in my testing). -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:28 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org Two reasons. 1.) Unlike MS Word, which performs one function, OO.o is one big monolithic application that does word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, and database access. So, when you fire it up, from the perspective of a Microsoft Office user, you're essentially firing up four applications, or all of MS Office except for Outlook. That's why OO.o Writer can directly open spreadsheets and presentations; it's all one big app. Note that OO.o 1.1.0 is considerably better about this than 1.0.x or 1.1Beta, and the 1.1.1rc1 is yet faster to load. 2.) Remember when Windows 98 came out, and the boot times were more than double that for Windows 95? On a test machine several years ago, I clocked Windows 95 booting in just over 40 sec. Win 98 on the same box took over two minutes. However, Internet Exploder launched more quickly on Windows 98 than on '95. Reason: Win 98 included IE and pre-cached it non-pageable at boot time, thus giving the illusion to the user of faster browser startup times than Netscape, whom they were battling at the time. Essentially, MS robbed Peter to pay Paul. Turns out that recent versions of MS Office on, say, Windows 2000 and XP do the same thing. The MS Office apps come up faster because Microsoft included code to pre-cache them at boot time, as you're logging in. Yes, it is sneaky, but that's what happens when you own the OS and the office suite; you can do that. The price is that it takes longer to boot and log in. --TP Kevin Boone wrote: > does anyone know why OpenOffice.org writer takes forever to laod???? > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Mar 12 08:56:01 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri Mar 12 08:56:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1079099908.3248.45.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 21:59, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > Just a note to try and gather some feedback... > I've finally gotten around to changing the 'look-n-feel' of my > "Tux Paint" website. It doesn't look like the rest of my New Breed Software > site, which is admittedly a little cluttered (lots of stuff on the > sidebars, app-specific page links as tabs at the top, etc.) > > Check it out and lemme know what you think: > > http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ > Bill, I would love to say that I continue to love the work you do - - - but I couldn't get past the front gate into the tuxpaint pages. Your javascript on the "enter" button just didn't want to do it with my browser. I'm using galeon with javascript enabled, BTW. :-( Gavin From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 12 09:10:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:10:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Math Question for Caleb Message-ID: <002d01c4083c$3f6685c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I saw in the Tux Paint website post you said that you run Tux Math and Tux Paint on 60 Terminals and 30 lab machines. What type of hardware are you using that allows you to play Tux Math in an acceptable fashion? My experience is that it runs great on a local machine, but my LTSP experience is very..very sluggish. I think both programs would be an awesome fit in our lower grade schools but I just can't get the speed where it is useable. If you could fill in the following list it would be extremely helpful: Server Hardware: Network Hardware: Terminal Hardware: Anything else you feel relevant: I have a bunch of schools in our area on the verge of switching next year to LTSP for labs and teacher machines simply based off of a verbal argument, and when it comes time to wow them with actual hardware I want to be sure I can do it. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 12 09:13:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:13:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] mandrake ltsp Message-ID: <4963.170.211.161.150.1079100857.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Did someone say mandrake had ltsp? I was just curious..... -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 12 09:19:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:19:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] mandrake ltsp In-Reply-To: <4963.170.211.161.150.1079100857.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <4963.170.211.161.150.1079100857.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <4051C779.8020506@inlandlakes.org> Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Did someone say mandrake had ltsp? I was just curious..... > > Dunno if someone said it -- but you can install LTSP on mandrake... Go to the standard http://www.ltsp.org site and see how. I have no idea if it works with the new Mandrake10, and I've never personally done it with anything but K12LTSP -- but I know that LTSP exists alone without redhat/fedora. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 12 09:21:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:21:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Math Question for Caleb In-Reply-To: <002d01c4083c$3f6685c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002d01c4083c$3f6685c0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4984.170.211.161.150.1079101349.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Jim Kronebusch said: > I saw in the Tux Paint website post you said that you run Tux Math and > Tux Paint on 60 Terminals and 30 lab machines. What type of hardware > are you using that allows you to play Tux Math in an acceptable fashion? > My experience is that it runs great on a local machine, but my LTSP > experience is very..very sluggish. I think both programs would be an > awesome fit in our lower grade schools but I just can't get the speed > where it is useable. If you could fill in the following list it would > be extremely helpful: > > Server Hardware: Dual 2 ghz Xeon, 4gb memory, Scsi Harddrive > Network Hardware: 100mb to the clients (going to gig on the server side soon) > Terminal Hardware: Thinknic terminals (not recommended....but not available anymore anyway) These consist of cyrix 233 processors and 64mb ram. > Anything else you feel relevant: Tux Math and paint are not resource hogs. The only thing I can see that would slow you down would be your network. 100mb to the clients and gig to a big server should work great. If you don't have as many clients as me 100 mb all the way should be fine. > I have a bunch of schools in our area on the verge of switching next > year to LTSP for labs and teacher machines simply based off of a verbal > argument, and when it comes time to wow them with actual hardware I want > to be sure I can do it. > > Thanks No problem. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From ssanders at coin.org Fri Mar 12 09:35:20 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:35:20 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] mandrake ltsp In-Reply-To: <4963.170.211.161.150.1079100857.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: yes, mandrake has included a terminal server for the last two or three releases. mandrake is my preferred distro, but it's TS is much rougher than k12osn. From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 12 09:52:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:52:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Ultra Stable WBEL k12ltsp Message-ID: <3059.170.211.161.150.1079103187.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Ok. So what if I installed a whitebox system.....can someone point me to some apt repositories like in eric's howto.....only with the older 3x series stuff that worked for me? I'd think that'd make for a good solid system. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 12 09:53:02 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:53:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: <1179.66.138.175.86.1079066275.squirrel@66.138.175.86> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz said: > > Caleb, > > gshadow is to group what shadow is to passwd. julius > > Well I back up all of etc...so I have the backups. I have never restored that > fiel though. Not even on my samba pdc. What will this cause if I don't? Caleb, the possibilities are: uncertain ownership, file access problems, execution problems - all this at user level, as you have not done drastic changes to groups for the UIDs < 500, right? From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 12 09:58:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri Mar 12 09:58:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: References: <1179.66.138.175.86.1079066275.squirrel@66.138.175.86> Message-ID: <3071.170.211.161.150.1079103560.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Julius Szelagiewicz said: > > Caleb, > the possibilities are: uncertain ownership, file access problems, > execution problems - all this at user level, as you have not done drastic > changes to groups for the UIDs < 500, right? Correct. Hmm....I do have several groups above 500 however. Its a samba pdc and we use those groups to determine which policies and right will be applied. OH well. Things have been running fine for a while now and I assume there has been another gshadow produced. If it ain't broke in this case I may not fix it ;-) None the less.....thanks for that info on gshadow. I hadn't a clue and know to take care of that file as well. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 12 10:16:01 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri Mar 12 10:16:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <1079099908.3248.45.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <1079099908.3248.45.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <20040312151805.GC20138@sonic.net> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:58:26PM +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > Bill, > > I would love to say that I continue to love the work you do - - - but I > couldn't get past the front gate into the tuxpaint pages. Your > javascript on the "enter" button just didn't want to do it with my > browser. I'm using galeon with javascript enabled, BTW. :-( D'oh! :^( This is why I don't like, and almost never use, JavaScript. I've tested it under Konqueror, Mozilla FireFox and Links, and it works in all of those. :^) The JavaScript is just candy, and if JS is off, the form is just a form. :^) I'm installing Galeon now, to test there, to see if there's anything I can do, or to decide I should just throw out the JavaScript junk altogether. Thx and sorry for the trouble! :^( (FYI, just go to .../index2.php3 to get to the main page, defaulted to English) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Hey Shatner, ya remember that episode of http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ Space Trek where your show got cancelled?" From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 12 10:16:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Mar 12 10:16:10 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Math Question for Caleb In-Reply-To: <4984.170.211.161.150.1079101349.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <005201c40845$6147fd50$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:22 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Tux Math Question for Caleb Jim Kronebusch said: > I saw in the Tux Paint website post you said that you run Tux Math and > Tux Paint on 60 Terminals and 30 lab machines. What type of hardware > are you using that allows you to play Tux Math in an acceptable > fashion? My experience is that it runs great on a local machine, but > my LTSP experience is very..very sluggish. I think both programs > would be an awesome fit in our lower grade schools but I just can't > get the speed where it is useable. If you could fill in the following > list it would be extremely helpful: > > Server Hardware: Dual 2 ghz Xeon, 4gb memory, Scsi Harddrive > Network Hardware: 100mb to the clients (going to gig on the server side soon) > Terminal Hardware: Thinknic terminals (not recommended....but not available anymore anyway) These consist of cyrix 233 processors and 64mb ram. > Anything else you feel relevant: Tux Math and paint are not resource hogs. The only thing I can see that would slow you down would be your network. 100mb to the clients and gig to a big server should work great. If you don't have as many clients as me 100 mb all the way should be fine. > I have a bunch of schools in our area on the verge of switching next > year to LTSP for labs and teacher machines simply based off of a > verbal argument, and when it comes time to wow them with actual > hardware I want to be sure I can do it. > > Thanks No problem. ---------------------- This is what I needed to get a good idea of where to start. I am going to order a couple of the systems from disklessworkstations.com to test with a more powerfull server. So far I have only tested with a dual 866PIII w/2GB of RAM and a single IDE 7200, I think that is my weak point. Thanks -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 12 10:42:00 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri Mar 12 10:42:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <1079099908.3248.45.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <1079099908.3248.45.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <20040312154449.GA23770@sonic.net> On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:58:26PM +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > Bill, > > I would love to say that I continue to love the work you do - - - but I > couldn't get past the front gate into the tuxpaint pages. Your > javascript on the "enter" button just didn't want to do it with my > browser. I'm using galeon with javascript enabled, BTW. :-( I've changed the javascript URLs to include "document." at the beginning, and it seems to work. Tested with Galeon 1.2.7. Without the "document.", clicking the [Enter] button on the TP front page did nothing. When I added it, it worked! I also tested with Netscape 4.77. :^) Thx and sorry for the problems! Lemme know if there are any more ;) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "Hey Shatner, ya remember that episode of http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ Space Trek where your show got cancelled?" From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Fri Mar 12 10:57:01 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Fri Mar 12 10:57:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Ultra Stable WBEL k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <3059.170.211.161.150.1079103187.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3059.170.211.161.150.1079103187.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1079107137.7825.1.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 09:53, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Ok. So what if I installed a whitebox system.....can someone point me to some > apt repositories like in eric's howto.....only with the older 3x series stuff > that worked for me? I'd think that'd make for a good solid system. WB 3.0 comes out of the box with yum. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Computers are a lot like air conditioners. They don't work well with windows open... From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 12 10:58:11 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri Mar 12 10:58:11 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] forcing mail traffic to mailgate In-Reply-To: <20040312154449.GA23770@sonic.net> Message-ID: Dear Folks, a question a bit out of topic: How should I force outgoing mail from widoze boxes on eth0 to go through my mailgate box instead throuh whatever the little buggers have defined in the mail preferences. My problem stems from the fact that i am forced to allow people to connect laptops to the network and i don't have the automated virus scanning going yet. All my normal mail traffic goes through mail gate that does spam and virus check *both* ways, but if the virus sends itself, it can do it directly. I was thinking in terms of an iptables rule that would move all the port 25 traffic from eth0 to the mailgate_address:25, thusly: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 216.216.171.236:25 Is this feasible, is this enough? tia, julius From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 12 11:13:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri Mar 12 11:13:29 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Hey hey......big question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079107553.2355.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 08:55, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Well I back up all of etc...so I have the backups. I have never restored that > > fiel though. Not even on my samba pdc. What will this cause if I don't? > > Caleb, > the possibilities are: uncertain ownership, file access problems, > execution problems - all this at user level, as you have not done drastic > changes to groups for the UIDs < 500, right? Unlike shadow, 'man gshadow' or 'man 5 gshadow' give no results. Does something actually rely on this undocumented file? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Mar 12 11:15:02 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri Mar 12 11:15:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] forcing mail traffic to mailgate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4051E243.7080301@gwi.net> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > I was thinking in terms of an iptables rule that would move all >the port 25 traffic from eth0 to the mailgate_address:25, thusly: > >iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT >--to-destination 216.216.171.236:25 > >Is this feasible, is this enough? tia, julius > > That should do it as long as eth0 is on the inside network, the gateway is configured to relay for that network, and return traffic from the mail gateway has to pass back through the same machine you added this DNAT to in order to reach the mail clients. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 12 12:14:33 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri Mar 12 12:14:33 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <1221.66.138.175.86.1079066715.squirrel@66.138.175.86> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <4050D134.4080809@redjocks.com> <20040312043357.GF19112@sonic.net> <1221.66.138.175.86.1079066715.squirrel@66.138.175.86> Message-ID: <20040312171623.GB32206@sonic.net> On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:45:15PM -0600, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > >> I'll be installing Tux Paint, on 140 computers, over the weekend. Our > >> kids love it. > > Hehe...we're running tux paint and tux math on 60 terminals and 30 lab > machines..... BTW, I just got a small collection of artwork from an 11yr old in India, and have put it up (along with some of my own stuff) in a little gallery on the new Tux Paint site. :^) Feel free to send your own children/student's art to me to put up there! :^) -bill! From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Fri Mar 12 12:24:02 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri Mar 12 12:24:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Identd & Dansguardian - Internet Monitor Message-ID: <4051F2A8.8050209@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hi All, Once again I apologize if this has been asked before, I will be glad if / when Red Hat gets the search fixed for the group. I am in the process of setting up Dansguardian to monitor internet access. I installed Dansguardian and configured my client to use it as a proxy (port 8080). The access.log file did show that internet access was made. However, it did not tell me the username making the access. I am assuming that is the " - " in the log. Through a bit of searching I read that I needed to have identd running. I was not familiar with identd so I did a quick search online. First site up as Setting Up Identd from 1998, I figured the instructions hadn't changed that much (see link below). - I did modify the etc/services to contain ident 113/tcp auth - I modified etc/xinetd.conf (instead of inetd.conf) to contain ident stream tcp nowait nobody /etc/identd identd - commented out the auth line in etc/services. WHen the instructions came to commenting the auth line of inetd.conf, I didn't know where else to look, I checked xinetd.conf and was not listed. To check and see if it worked, I brought back up my client and attempted access once more. Same occured. Any advice? Thanks, Mike http://linuxguide.automatedshops.com/LinuxGuide/linux-identd.html From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Fri Mar 12 12:26:05 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Fri Mar 12 12:26:05 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Monitoring Internet Access Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Pace > Sent: March 11, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access > > > I just left the CensorNet website, the interface looks very > well designed. > > Question: Do I have to use their blacklist? Or can I use Squidguard's? Hi John, Censornet stores all the blacklist/whitelist/etc information in a Postgres database. My assumption is that they generate the blacklists/*/domains and blacklists/*/url from the database. So, you'd either need to import the Squidguard lists into the database or prevent the overwriting of the blacklists/* files by the system. The blacklist update service they provide is pretty reasonable (~$60 for porn only or ~$150 for all). I didn't compare their lists with what Eric provides to see which was "better". Hope this helps. Dale From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Mar 12 12:39:25 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri Mar 12 12:39:25 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows 98 Username Length Message-ID: <031220041741.17412.36ce@comcast.net> I believe that Netbios has a 16 character limit. However, the 16th character has a special meaning (e.g. a hex value that specifies a domain controller). Do not use usernames longer than 15 characters if you want Win9x to work correctly. (password length is similarly restricted) This is actually a limitation in NT as well, and is probably related to the Netbios restriction. This same issue arises with sharing printers or other resources (mapped drives) which use Netbios. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware > Hi Martin, > > >From memory 11 or 15. > > I ran into the problem when I had a user with a login name 1 character > over the limit. Logins wouldn't work in Samba but would in Linux. > > HTH > Bert > > On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 23:48, Martin Stevens wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am using samba on k12ltsp for our windows networks, > > > > Just a quick question, does anyone know what the maximum username length > > is on Windows 98 and/or Windows 2000 > > > > Thanks > > > > Martin Stevens > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > ================================== > Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. > Mobile - 027 264 0851 > ================================== > Specialising in system support > alternative solutions and > Linux operating system > ================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From signalfire_ceo at yahoo.com Fri Mar 12 12:45:03 2004 From: signalfire_ceo at yahoo.com (jp mcwoody) Date: Fri Mar 12 12:45:03 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting assigned ip addy at boot Message-ID: <20040312174710.92057.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm setting up a demo k12ltsp system, and my client isn't getting an ip address assigned to it at boot. It just says 'Searching for server (DHCP)' and never finds it. I can boot client wiht Knoppix, and it doesn't automatically connect to dhcp. When i run the 'netcardconfig' script it does get an address, and I can connect to the Internet. Can someone point me in the right direction here? btw, im using k12ltsp 3.1.1 JP ===== Macho business donkey wrestler. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From quecosa65 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 12 13:02:01 2004 From: quecosa65 at hotmail.com (raq alzate) Date: Fri Mar 12 13:02:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] mandrake ltsp Message-ID: Not Reallly, mandrake doesn?t come with ltsp, ltsp is not part of mandrake. Actually you can make ltsp work with mandrake 9.2, don?t know if you can do it with mdk 10, but i have done it twice with ltsp 3. Just download the rpms from ltsp.org and install it. Read the documentation from this link: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/MDK90-LTSP.html hope it?s enough... have a nice day. 00- Ing. Ruben Alzate Quintero Instituto Tecnologico de Villahermosa Tab. 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I was just curious..... > > >-- >Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA >Technology Coordinator >Fordyce School District >870.352.2968 >http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us > >I might be crazy...but it sure helps > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en l?nea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.microsoft.com/es From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Mar 12 13:13:00 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri Mar 12 13:13:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access In-Reply-To: <40509970.3070504@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <40509970.3070504@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <4051FE0C.8090404@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Michael Elliott wrote: > George - > You mentioned CPU drain with identd - I have a 2.4GHz Celeron, do you > believe I would have issues with only 5-10 users? This afternoon I may > try DansGuardian. I didn't realize it already contained User IDs. Do > you have any suggestions or advice for the install? I'd say it will be fine if you're only running Squid and squidGuard or Dansguardian on it. I use a Celeron 533 for that and it works just fine. BUT I don't run any other services on it. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 12 13:21:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Mar 12 13:21:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Workstation Recommendation Message-ID: <007101c4085f$51bde010$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am going to buy a couple of workstations from disklessworkstations.com. Do any of you have a recommendation of which system to go with? I of course want to keep the cost down so I was looking at the Term 150 and 150e instead of the Jammin 125 or the Compaq t5X00. I don't however understand why the 125 costs more with slower components, is there some other advantage to this system? Also if I go with one of the 150 versions is there an advantage to using Etherboot over PXE or vice versa? I want whichever system will provide the best performance, and be out-of-the-box compatible. I am leaning towards the LTSP Term 150. Also those of you who have used these, are the local USB's recognized by default for use with a scanner or for uploading digital pictures or attaching an external CDROM,printer etc? Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Fri Mar 12 13:52:01 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Fri Mar 12 13:52:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Workstation Recommendation In-Reply-To: <007101c4085f$51bde010$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am going to buy a couple of workstations from > disklessworkstations.com. Do any of you have a recommendation of which > system to go with? I of course want to keep the cost down so I was > looking at the Term 150 and 150e instead of the Jammin 125 or the Compaq > t5X00. I don't however understand why the 125 costs more with slower > components, is there some other advantage to this system? Also if I go > with one of the 150 versions is there an advantage to using Etherboot > over PXE or vice versa? I want whichever system will provide the best > performance, and be out-of-the-box compatible. The J-125's are more expensive, because our price is higher from the supplier in Taiwan. Not much we can do about that. People still like them because of the form factor. For LTSP and k12ltsp, the T-150 with PXE is an excellent choice. k12ltsp comes ready to boot pxe without any modifications to the system. Basically, plug it in, turn it on and log in. If you prefer Etherboot, then the T-150e is the way to go. One thing that Etherboot gives you is some flexibility. We can customize the Etherboot bootrom for different DHCP Port addresses, and we can customize bootroms for other reasons. In one case, we made bootroms that only did BOOTP and not DHCP. With PXE, we don't have that flexibility. > > I am leaning towards the LTSP Term 150. Again, in a straight LTSP environment, where you have control of the DHCP servers, the T-150 is an excellent way to go. > > Also those of you who have used these, are the local USB's recognized by > default for use with a scanner or for uploading digital pictures or > attaching an external CDROM,printer etc? The usb ports are recognized by the Linux kernel, so thats no problem. Printing works great, but there isn't any software for ANY of the thin clients for uploading digital pictures. There is a scanner package on the ltsp.org site, but i've not tried it and i've not heard anybody talking about it for quite a while. You can be assured that as we continue to enhance LTSP, the T-150 will be playing a very important role, and it is our intent to continue to make sure that it works in every way with LTSP. And best of all, by purchasing from DisklessWorkstations.Com, you are helping to fund the LTSP.org project. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at DisklessWorkstations.Com jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 > > From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 12 14:26:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri Mar 12 14:26:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update Message-ID: <3865.170.211.161.150.1079119650.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I got hings back goin'. Ended up using whitebox (and eric's install floppy) and pointing yum to the redhat 9 repositories of his. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 12 14:52:21 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Mar 12 14:52:21 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Workstation Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007f01c4086c$02048f80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I will be ordering these to run demo's at schools but primarily to run LTSP at home in order to get more familiar with it. The reason I ask about the scanner and camera stuff is I have to get my wife to buy off on this (she is definitely your average user). I need to make sure she can keep our family website updated (www.kronebusch.com) and she loves to upload digital and scanned pictures. Thanks for the info. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jam at mcquil.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:54 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Diskless Workstation Recommendation On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am going to buy a couple of workstations from > disklessworkstations.com. Do any of you have a recommendation of > which system to go with? I of course want to keep the cost down so I > was looking at the Term 150 and 150e instead of the Jammin 125 or the > Compaq t5X00. I don't however understand why the 125 costs more with > slower components, is there some other advantage to this system? Also > if I go with one of the 150 versions is there an advantage to using > Etherboot over PXE or vice versa? I want whichever system will > provide the best performance, and be out-of-the-box compatible. The J-125's are more expensive, because our price is higher from the supplier in Taiwan. Not much we can do about that. People still like them because of the form factor. For LTSP and k12ltsp, the T-150 with PXE is an excellent choice. k12ltsp comes ready to boot pxe without any modifications to the system. Basically, plug it in, turn it on and log in. If you prefer Etherboot, then the T-150e is the way to go. One thing that Etherboot gives you is some flexibility. We can customize the Etherboot bootrom for different DHCP Port addresses, and we can customize bootroms for other reasons. In one case, we made bootroms that only did BOOTP and not DHCP. With PXE, we don't have that flexibility. > > I am leaning towards the LTSP Term 150. Again, in a straight LTSP environment, where you have control of the DHCP servers, the T-150 is an excellent way to go. > > Also those of you who have used these, are the local USB's recognized > by default for use with a scanner or for uploading digital pictures or > attaching an external CDROM,printer etc? The usb ports are recognized by the Linux kernel, so thats no problem. Printing works great, but there isn't any software for ANY of the thin clients for uploading digital pictures. There is a scanner package on the ltsp.org site, but i've not tried it and i've not heard anybody talking about it for quite a while. You can be assured that as we continue to enhance LTSP, the T-150 will be playing a very important role, and it is our intent to continue to make sure that it works in every way with LTSP. And best of all, by purchasing from DisklessWorkstations.Com, you are helping to fund the LTSP.org project. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at DisklessWorkstations.Com jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From JProdzinski at winona.edu Fri Mar 12 14:54:06 2004 From: JProdzinski at winona.edu (Prodzinski, Jeffrey P) Date: Fri Mar 12 14:54:06 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie warning... Where does KDM call the WM from? Message-ID: I assume its somewhere in kdmrc... I want to customize a users desktop for IceWM or twm and just mozilla.. kiosk style. Also is this whole process documented anywhere? (The LTSP AutoLogin kiosk for a browser only I mean) I hand created/edited .xinitrc and .xsession in the users home dir but it doesn't seem to use them... If I let it autologin and then log out.. I can them manually choose my WM and log in... So what I really want to know is a file by file description of the process so I know where to edit what I need. Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Mar 12 15:26:01 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri Mar 12 15:26:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Bandwith, spec of client and benefit of ltsp In-Reply-To: <9E72DA54A657354DAE751492248657C90119CEFD@extpkop02.trueposition.com> References: <9E72DA54A657354DAE751492248657C90119CEFD@extpkop02.trueposition.com> Message-ID: <40521D48.5060607@chartermi.net> Hedemark, Magnus wrote: > Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] said: >>Oh I forgot bandwith usage hovers to less than 1 mbps on average. > > But it can be very peaky, for a second or so anyway, and then drop down to > 1-2Mbps where it will spend most of it's time. > In my next phase of thin client piloting I'll have to monitor with RRDtool > and post some hard numbers for things like how much an LTSP client uses > while booting, while opening apps, etc. vs. just sitting idle (which still > uses some bandwidth). If you want to monitor your ltsp server, I can't recommend this webmin module enough. It's called webminstats and it's very slick. The requirements are webmin, perl, and rrdtool. I've been putting it on all my servers and it's been very helpful in seeing problems, and seeing how the servers work over the course of time. http://webminstats.sourceforge.net/ -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 12 15:31:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri Mar 12 15:31:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Workstation Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008201c40871$73c2a800$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I just ordered 2 T-150's and a couple t-shirts. I have to pitch to our District 861 on 3/18. I think these will make a more professional pitch. Thanks again for your help. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jam at mcquil.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:54 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Diskless Workstation Recommendation On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am going to buy a couple of workstations from > disklessworkstations.com. Do any of you have a recommendation of > which system to go with? I of course want to keep the cost down so I > was looking at the Term 150 and 150e instead of the Jammin 125 or the > Compaq t5X00. I don't however understand why the 125 costs more with > slower components, is there some other advantage to this system? Also > if I go with one of the 150 versions is there an advantage to using > Etherboot over PXE or vice versa? I want whichever system will > provide the best performance, and be out-of-the-box compatible. The J-125's are more expensive, because our price is higher from the supplier in Taiwan. Not much we can do about that. People still like them because of the form factor. For LTSP and k12ltsp, the T-150 with PXE is an excellent choice. k12ltsp comes ready to boot pxe without any modifications to the system. Basically, plug it in, turn it on and log in. If you prefer Etherboot, then the T-150e is the way to go. One thing that Etherboot gives you is some flexibility. We can customize the Etherboot bootrom for different DHCP Port addresses, and we can customize bootroms for other reasons. In one case, we made bootroms that only did BOOTP and not DHCP. With PXE, we don't have that flexibility. > > I am leaning towards the LTSP Term 150. Again, in a straight LTSP environment, where you have control of the DHCP servers, the T-150 is an excellent way to go. > > Also those of you who have used these, are the local USB's recognized > by default for use with a scanner or for uploading digital pictures or > attaching an external CDROM,printer etc? The usb ports are recognized by the Linux kernel, so thats no problem. Printing works great, but there isn't any software for ANY of the thin clients for uploading digital pictures. There is a scanner package on the ltsp.org site, but i've not tried it and i've not heard anybody talking about it for quite a while. You can be assured that as we continue to enhance LTSP, the T-150 will be playing a very important role, and it is our intent to continue to make sure that it works in every way with LTSP. And best of all, by purchasing from DisklessWorkstations.Com, you are helping to fund the LTSP.org project. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at DisklessWorkstations.Com jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Fri Mar 12 15:43:00 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri Mar 12 15:43:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Identd & Dansguardian - Internet Monitor (Michael Elliott) Message-ID: <4052216F.5080508@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hey guys, To all that read my post before - hold up. I missed understood the UID -> User Name in the in identd.conf file. After I uncommented the line and said no I was able to see the User who was accessing websites! Thanks for all of the help you guys have offered thus far! Mike From peter.nelissen at worldonline.be Fri Mar 12 16:00:12 2004 From: peter.nelissen at worldonline.be (Peter Nelissen) Date: Fri Mar 12 16:00:12 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] mandrake ltsp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 9.2 and ltsp 4 work fine also. configuration was easy, using ltsp's install script. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=17723&package_id=63192 Peter 12/03/2004 18:52:42, "raq alzate" wrote: >Not Reallly, mandrake doesn?t come with ltsp, ltsp is not part of mandrake. > >Actually you can make ltsp work with mandrake 9.2, don?t know if you can do >it with mdk 10, but i have done it twice with ltsp 3. > >Just download the rpms from ltsp.org and install it. > >Read the documentation from this link: >http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/MDK90-LTSP.html > > From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Mar 12 16:14:01 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri Mar 12 16:14:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Bandwith, spec of client and benefit of ltsp In-Reply-To: <9E72DA54A657354DAE751492248657C90119CEFD@extpkop02.trueposition.com> References: <9E72DA54A657354DAE751492248657C90119CEFD@extpkop02.trueposition.com> Message-ID: <40521D48.5060607@chartermi.net> Hedemark, Magnus wrote: > Sudev Barar [mailto:sudev at mantraonline.com] said: >>Oh I forgot bandwith usage hovers to less than 1 mbps on average. > > But it can be very peaky, for a second or so anyway, and then drop down to > 1-2Mbps where it will spend most of it's time. > In my next phase of thin client piloting I'll have to monitor with RRDtool > and post some hard numbers for things like how much an LTSP client uses > while booting, while opening apps, etc. vs. just sitting idle (which still > uses some bandwidth). If you want to monitor your ltsp server, I can't recommend this webmin module enough. It's called webminstats and it's very slick. The requirements are webmin, perl, and rrdtool. I've been putting it on all my servers and it's been very helpful in seeing problems, and seeing how the servers work over the course of time. http://webminstats.sourceforge.net/ -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _____________________________________________________________________ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From info at itwerkz.net.au Fri Mar 12 16:24:14 2004 From: info at itwerkz.net.au (Ian Paul Cunningham) Date: Fri Mar 12 16:24:14 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Where do I find boot proms for RTL8139? In-Reply-To: <4050E2A7.3030504@redjocks.com> References: <4050E2A7.3030504@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <32862.220.240.161.177.1079126645.squirrel@mail.switch.com.au> Samps If you want to make your own you can buy an eprom programmer from JED Microprocessors Pty. Ltd. for $AUD $330 (http://www.jedmicro.com.au/) and use eproms from old video cards etc. This allows you to make boot proms for different cards and is easy to do. If you are using old proms, an eprom eraser is also required. If not try Alloy http://www.alloy.com.au/products/1439xd.htm. They can supply boot roms for $11 GST inc. Cheers Ian ----------------------------------------- it_werkz Appropriate Technologies Computer Recycling and Training www.itwerkz.net.au Ph/Fax: +61 8 89535969 Mobile: +61 402979612 ----------------------------------------- From hildy9 at comcast.net Fri Mar 12 16:35:01 2004 From: hildy9 at comcast.net (Hildy9) Date: Fri Mar 12 16:35:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] mailing list Message-ID: <005701c4087a$3ecb9c20$6401a8c0@JEAN> Pleae remove me from the mailing list Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 12 16:43:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Mar 12 16:43:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Where do I find boot proms for RTL8139? In-Reply-To: <32862.220.240.161.177.1079126645.squirrel@mail.switch.com.au> References: <4050E2A7.3030504@redjocks.com> <32862.220.240.161.177.1079126645.squirrel@mail.switch.com.au> Message-ID: <04031211443401.16860@newguy> i buy em from ebay--generally 50 cents a piece uncleaned and a buck a piiece for erased ready to rock....these are 27256 with rtl8139 from romomatic 5.0.11 enabled with rset8139 for 16 kb image (by rights or=tter be 32) chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 12 16:56:15 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Mar 12 16:56:15 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting assigned ip addy at boot In-Reply-To: <20040312174710.92057.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040312174710.92057.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04031211582002.16860@newguy> So you have dhcp running. on server...and you have either a range in dhcpd.conf or have hard coded your nic to a static address?chuck On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, you wrote: > Hi, I'm setting up a demo k12ltsp system, and my > client isn't getting an ip address assigned to it at > boot. It just says From Yoni at kallay.net Fri Mar 12 17:15:13 2004 From: Yoni at kallay.net (Jonathan Kallay) Date: Fri Mar 12 17:15:13 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] trouble getting users and groups from PDC Message-ID: <1ce4763638f94c7f945a98dcd0c5eda2@kallay.net> Hi all, I'm only a lowly tech support teacher (they pay us a small stipend to act as the IT office's first line of defense at the schools) in a huge district which is mismanaging its technology resources (you probably all know the drill- plenty of technology gets bought through grants but there's not enough money in the operations budget to keep it adequately supported). I've been working hard to push thin-clients from my end, and I'm now at the phase where recognition of my existence by the IT office has been achieved, and hopefully I'll soon be getting the go-ahead to set up a small LTSP trial with a few student terminals in the guidance office, used for writing college applications and college-search related web browsing. The students all have accounts on the NT domain, and I need to be able to seamlessly authenticate students from the domain controller. I've set up Samba and Winbind, and have joined the LTSP server to the domain (I have sufficient privileges on the domain to do this, but no login privileges on the domain controller). wbinfo -t, -m, --sequence, and --domain NAME are all successful, but -u and -g both return a statement 'error looking up domain users/groups.' There are several domains on the network. When I joined the domain I was automatically added to the SCHOOLS domain which appears to contain the computer trust accounts as well as all student accounts. My own account is on a second domain where the teacher and administrator accounts reside. When doing wbinfo -m the SCHOOLS domain is NOT listed. When doing wbinfo --domain SCHOOLS the "Active Directory" parameter says "yes" while the other domains say "no". I joined the domain with a "net rpc join" command, not "net ads join." Should this make a difference? Do I need to setup Kerberos and join the domain using ADS? When doing a web search I've discovered that the inability to do wbinfo -u lookups is a common problem, without many posted solutions. Does anyone have any suggestions? Jonathan From samps at redjocks.com Fri Mar 12 18:27:00 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Fri Mar 12 18:27:00 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] Where do I find boot proms for RTL8139? In-Reply-To: <04031211443401.16860@newguy> References: <4050E2A7.3030504@redjocks.com> <32862.220.240.161.177.1079126645.squirrel@mail.switch.com.au> <04031211443401.16860@newguy> Message-ID: <405247CB.3040303@redjocks.com> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > i buy em from ebay--generally 50 cents a piece uncleaned and a buck a piiece > for erased ready to rock....these are 27256 with rtl8139 from romomatic 5.0.11 > enabled with rset8139 for 16 kb image (by rights or=tter be 32) chuck > > Thanks Chuck and Ian. I'll actually go down both the suggested tracks... Buy 'ready-to-boot' PROMs to get us going for now AND an EPROM burner for experiments and reuse of old chips in the longer run. cheers Samps From samps at redjocks.com Fri Mar 12 18:47:02 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Fri Mar 12 18:47:02 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040312043357.GF19112@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <4050D134.4080809@redjocks.com> <20040312043357.GF19112@sonic.net> Message-ID: <40524C6C.6080506@redjocks.com> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:21:00AM +1030, Samps wrote: > >>Neat! >> >>I'll be installing Tux Paint, on 140 computers, over the weekend. Our >>kids love it. > > > Wow, cool! :^) Can you tell me more? May I put it up on the Tux Paint > site under 'reviews'? ;^) > > Absolutely. Least I could do in return for your efforts. Here's my attempt at a 'press release', feel free to adapt it into Queens english, shorten it or whatever: In an attempt to create consistency, not only throughout the software portfolio on the schools computers, but extending into the students' home computers, Grant High School in South Australia has adopted a wholistic Open Source approach. "This way, our students can leaglly afford to install the programs at home, necessary for them to do their homework...." a spokesman said. By using Open Source applications the students have access to a wider variety of software than what would've been possible, had they and the school had to pay for expensive proprietary software licenses. Grant High School has recently added Tux Paint to the 'standard image' for another 140 PCs, next to other fine works in the graphics category, such as: Sodipodi, The Gimp, OpenOffice Draw and Pixia, fully replacing the need for MS Paint, Adobe Photoshop, Corel Draw and other costly alternatives. Tux Paint is a natural choice of drawing application for the Grant High School Community Software model, as it fills all criteria for selection: The price is right, it has lots of functionality, the licensing model is inobtrusive and it makes very little assumptions about the users Operating System choice. Tux Paint is a winner, from Kindie to year 12, the kids all get 'that shining look' on their face when using it. cheers Samps From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 12 19:37:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri Mar 12 19:37:01 2004 Subject: [K12OSN] trouble getting users and groups from PDC In-Reply-To: <1ce4763638f94c7f945a98dcd0c5eda2@kallay.net> References: <1ce4763638f94c7f945a98dcd0c5eda2@kallay.net> Message-ID: <04031214385900.16972@newguy> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, you wrote: > Hi all, > I'm only a lowly tech support teacher (they pay us a small stipend to act as > the IT office's first line of defense at the schools) in a huge district John athan..not at all clear what your situation is....win2000 server??samba 3? Anyway with fedora/samba3 i added lines in krb.conf and joined win2000 doamin with net ads....had trouble with idmapping so fell back to rh9.... From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Mar 13 02:15:36 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:15:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <3865.170.211.161.150.1079119650.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3865.170.211.161.150.1079119650.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: k12osn at redhat.com writes: >I got hings back goin'. Ended up using whitebox (and eric's install >floppy) >and pointing yum to the redhat 9 repositories of his. How is the WBEL situation working? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 13 04:18:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:18:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <200403131941.49827.satimis@icare.com.hk> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <200403120900.33088.satimis@icare.com.hk> <1079024830.12939.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <200403131941.49827.satimis@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: <1079151534.25288.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 05:41, Stephen Liu wrote: > >These would involve > > running RAID mirroring over double-ended SCSI, firewire, or something > > called the 'network device block' to drives that the alternate machine > > can access directly and some kind of heartbeat that lets the backup > > machine know when to take over. > > - Could you please explain in more detail about the above. > - What kind of RAID, 5, 0+1, etc. > - Where can I find the hardware setup of 'hot spare' > The basic approach is to do some kind of raid-1 mirror between identical partitions that can be accessed by two machines and use a heartbeat signal to let the backup machine know when to take over. Here is an article: http://www.linux-mag.com/2003-11/availability_01.html And a projects with a lot more links: http://linux-ha.org/ Some tools from Oracle - note the firewire and ocfs links: http://oss.oracle.com/ --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From quecosa65 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 13 07:20:28 2004 From: quecosa65 at hotmail.com (raq alzate) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:20:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] I am stuked on Client boot :( help please :) Message-ID: I am getting an error trying to boot the client workstation PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:0b.0 via-rhine: Reset not complete yet. Trying harder. Eth0: VIA VT6105 Rhine-III at 0xde00, 00:40:f4:88:6a:h1, IRQ 10. Eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d advertising 05e1 Link 0021. Runnig dhclient Eth0: Reset not comlpete yet. Trying harder. ERROR! No dhcpd-eth0.info file. This usually indicates that the dhclient did not get a response from the DHCP server, or the NIC driver isnt working properly with the network card. Kernle panic: Attemped to kill init! Can anybody help me? i am stuck since a week with the same problem, i have read and looked in google groups but i didnt find any solution that works :( The client nic is Via Rhine III (00:0b.0 1106:3106), i am using rom-o-matic 5.2.4 version with via-rhine-6105 ROM. Please, i am stuked, anybody could help me? 00- Ing. Ruben Alzate Quintero Instituto Tecnologico de Villahermosa Tab. Mexico >_______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en l?nea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.microsoft.com/es From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat Mar 13 04:04:24 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 13 Mar 2004 12:04:24 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <20040312154449.GA23770@sonic.net> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <1079099908.3248.45.camel@compaq.mydomain> <20040312154449.GA23770@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1079150666.1995.53.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 23:44, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 09:58:26PM +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > > Bill, > > > > I would love to say that I continue to love the work you do - - - but I > > couldn't get past the front gate into the tuxpaint pages. Your > > javascript on the "enter" button just didn't want to do it with my > > browser. I'm using galeon with javascript enabled, BTW. :-( > > I've changed the javascript URLs to include "document." at the beginning, > and it seems to work. > > Tested with Galeon 1.2.7. Without the "document.", clicking the [Enter] > button on the TP front page did nothing. When I added it, it worked! > > I also tested with Netscape 4.77. :^) > > Thx and sorry for the problems! Lemme know if there are any more ;) > > -bill! That works now, thanks Bill. One little niggle still though ... I wonder why the use of Javascript, which I usually have disabled anyway, when an image map or plain ol' hypertext link would do? Because I also have my browser warn me of sending info over unsecured links, clicking your "enter" pops up a warning from my browser that I then have to "OK" before it loads the page. Petty I know, but you did ask if any more problems ;-) Gavin From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Mar 13 03:26:27 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:56:27 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] forcing mail traffic to mailgate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079148387.9351.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 21:30, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > a question a bit out of topic: How shoul More than out of topic you hijacked the thread "[K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-fee" If you have to start a new topic please start off with a new mail. Do not be lazy and change the subject only after pressing reply button. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From satimis at icare.com.hk Sat Mar 13 11:41:49 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:41:49 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <1079024830.12939.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <200403120900.33088.satimis@icare.com.hk> <1079024830.12939.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200403131941.49827.satimis@icare.com.hk> Hi, Thanks for your advice. - snip - >These would involve > running RAID mirroring over double-ended SCSI, firewire, or something > called the 'network device block' to drives that the alternate machine > can access directly and some kind of heartbeat that lets the backup > machine know when to take over. - Could you please explain in more detail about the above. - What kind of RAID, 5, 0+1, etc. - Where can I find the hardware setup of 'hot spare' Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen Liu From satimis at icare.com.hk Sat Mar 13 11:47:27 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:47:27 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <000501c40770$79207b80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000501c40770$79207b80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200403131947.27984.satimis@icare.com.hk> - snip - > > Once all that is in place, then all you would need to do to swap in the > server in the event of a failure would be to log in to the spare and run > > the 'swapserver' script. Hi Jim, Could you please advise where can I find example of 'swapserver' script TIA B.R. Stephen Liu From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Mar 13 02:27:28 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:27:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org In-Reply-To: <002701c40839$7393a330$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002701c40839$7393a330$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <40527190.2090209@cmosnetworks.com> Exactly. This is why, the few times I've had the opportunity to demo K12LTSP, I always start up both an OO.o session and a Mozilla session on the server itself. Right after I start that up, I take the folks over to a thin client and start my short explanation of thin clients (Xterms) and netbooting. That short explanation, and the booting of the thin client, all take less than a minute. By the time the thin client boots, and I log in from it, OO.o and Moz have long since finished loading on the server, and thus are cached! Sneaky, eh? ;-) Thus, OO.o and Moz start up very quickly on the thin client. Heh heh... If you think this is silly, I've spoken in another thread (SCSI vs. IDE) about my own server. This semi-sneakiness actually was a significant factor in getting said server deployed...in a Microsoft shop. --TP Jim Kronebusch wrote: >On another note, I have noticed that once you load it the first time in >each session, the load speeds thereafter are exceptionally quick. I >don't know if this is a result of the program still being cached or in >RAM or something, but at least a user only sits through a painful load >once per session (At least in my testing). > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Terrell Prude', Jr. >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:28 PM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OpenOffice.org > > >Two reasons. > >1.) Unlike MS Word, which performs one function, OO.o is one big >monolithic application that does word processing, spreadsheets, >presentations, and database access. So, when you fire it up, from the >perspective of a Microsoft Office user, you're essentially firing up >four applications, or all of MS Office except for Outlook. That's why >OO.o Writer can directly open spreadsheets and presentations; it's all >one big app. Note that OO.o 1.1.0 is considerably better about this >than 1.0.x or 1.1Beta, and the 1.1.1rc1 is yet faster to load. > >2.) Remember when Windows 98 came out, and the boot times were more >than double that for Windows 95? On a test machine several years ago, I > >clocked Windows 95 booting in just over 40 sec. Win 98 on the same box >took over two minutes. However, Internet Exploder launched more quickly > >on Windows 98 than on '95. Reason: Win 98 included IE and pre-cached >it non-pageable at boot time, thus giving the illusion to the user of >faster browser startup times than Netscape, whom they were battling at >the time. Essentially, MS robbed Peter to pay Paul. Turns out that >recent versions of MS Office on, say, Windows 2000 and XP do the same >thing. The MS Office apps come up faster because Microsoft included >code to pre-cache them at boot time, as you're logging in. Yes, it is >sneaky, but that's what happens when you own the OS and the office >suite; you can do that. The price is that it takes longer to boot and >log in. > >--TP > >Kevin Boone wrote: > > > >>does anyone know why OpenOffice.org writer takes forever to laod???? >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release Date: 3/9/2004 > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 13 13:33:39 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:33:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <200403131947.27984.satimis@icare.com.hk> References: <000501c40770$79207b80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <200403131947.27984.satimis@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: <1079184819.27106.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 05:47, Stephen Liu wrote: > - snip - > > > > Once all that is in place, then all you would need to do to swap in the > > server in the event of a failure would be to log in to the spare and run > > > > the 'swapserver' script. > > Hi Jim, > > Could you please advise where can I find example of 'swapserver' script > If you are doing it as a 'warm' spare periodically updated with rsync, you would switch by shutting down the primary system if it is still on the network, then changing the hostname and IP number of the backup machine to be the same as the primary, then restarting all the network services (or just reboot). Note that it can take up to 20 minutes for a router to recognize an IP address move to a different hardware NIC due to the arp cache although other devices will usually see it in seconds. If you control the router you can speed this up by giving it a 'clear arp' command. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Mar 13 08:46:20 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:46:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I am stuked on Client boot :( help please :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04031303465200.17450@newguy> why don't you try verson 5.0.11...chuck From quecosa65 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 13 14:13:31 2004 From: quecosa65 at hotmail.com (raq alzate) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:13:31 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] I am stuked on Client boot :( help please :) Message-ID: I will,. At least the other client wich has a diferent ethernet card already loaded. Thanks :-) 00- Ing. Ruben Alzate Quintero Instituto Tecnologico de Villahermosa Tab. Mexico _________________________________________________________________ MSN Fotos: la forma m?s f?cil de compartir e imprimir fotos. http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Sat Mar 13 15:21:05 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:21:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: References: <3865.170.211.161.150.1079119650.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1070.66.138.175.63.1079191265.squirrel@66.138.175.63> David Trask said: > How is the WBEL situation working? Lovin' it! We've migrated our mail and samba servers over to WBEL as well. People are catching on to how great whitebox is....which is why we really need some folks with bandwidth to help host the updates. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps From satimis at icare.com.hk Sun Mar 14 01:38:58 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:38:58 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <1079151534.25288.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <200403131941.49827.satimis@icare.com.hk> <1079151534.25288.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200403140938.59031.satimis@icare.com.hk> Hi, Thanks for your advice and links - snip - > Some tools from Oracle - note the firewire and ocfs links: > http://oss.oracle.com/ I have heard the great name of 'Oracle', a proprietary software, but never use it. Is Oracle for Linux an open source software, 'free for use'. B.R. Stephen From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 14 04:26:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:26:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <200403140938.59031.satimis@icare.com.hk> References: <003101c406c7$723b3d40$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <200403131941.49827.satimis@icare.com.hk> <1079151534.25288.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <200403140938.59031.satimis@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: <1079238396.28426.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 19:38, Stephen Liu wrote: > > Some tools from Oracle - note the firewire and ocfs links: > > http://oss.oracle.com/ > > I have heard the great name of 'Oracle', a proprietary software, but never use > it. Is Oracle for Linux an open source software, 'free for use'. > Their flagship database program is not free, although they might have a demo version. However the things at the link above are free and open source, and might be useful even if you don't run a database program. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Mar 14 04:35:52 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:35:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP Message-ID: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> Hi, Amongst all the available solutions for providing M$ application access via Linux what would be suggested as the best solution considering; 1) Multiple connections (ie. CAL's) 2) Stability & security 3) Cost 4) Performance both local LAN and remote The options we are considering are, (although not exclusive of others) WinConnect Server M$ Terminal CAL on a Win XP or 2003 server (rdesktop) VMWare GSX server The first two options we have tested and seeem to work well although cost is an issue with WinConnect. M$ seems to be less expensive ?? VMware GSX would appear to be an ideal solution but we haven't been able to get it working with K12LTSP Any and all suggestions are most welcome as well as any comments thank you norbert From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Mar 14 05:34:36 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 00:34:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> Which M$ applications are you looking to access? --TP norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Amongst all the available solutions for providing M$ application > access via Linux what would be suggested as the best solution > considering; > > 1) Multiple connections (ie. CAL's) > 2) Stability & security > 3) Cost > 4) Performance both local LAN and remote > > The options we are considering are, (although not exclusive of others) > > WinConnect Server > M$ Terminal CAL on a Win XP or 2003 server (rdesktop) > VMWare GSX server > > The first two options we have tested and seeem to work well although > cost is an issue with WinConnect. M$ seems to be less expensive ?? > VMware GSX would appear to be an ideal solution but we haven't been > able to get it working with K12LTSP > > Any and all suggestions are most welcome as well as any comments > > thank you > norbert > From nbs at sonic.net Sun Mar 14 07:27:52 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:27:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-feel In-Reply-To: <1079150666.1995.53.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20040311135916.GA27603@sonic.net> <1079099908.3248.45.camel@compaq.mydomain> <20040312154449.GA23770@sonic.net> <1079150666.1995.53.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <20040314072752.GB17562@sonic.net> On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 12:04:24PM +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > That works now, thanks Bill. One little niggle still though ... I > wonder why the use of Javascript, which I usually have disabled anyway, > when an image map or plain ol' hypertext link would do? I believe I had to do it to add the neat 'translate the word "Enter"' effect I do on the graphic. If JavaScript is disabled, the form will be an imagemap. > Because I also > have my browser warn me of sending info over unsecured links, clicking > your "enter" pops up a warning from my browser that I then have to "OK" > before it loads the page. Petty I know, but you did ask if any more > problems ;-) Ooh.. Good point. Yeah, I guess I'll yank it. I've added some code to check the user's "Accept Language" settings, and try to show the best page based on that, so the entry form is pretty useless now. :^) -bill! From haysja at sages.us Sun Mar 14 16:36:44 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:36:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40548A1C.3050506@sages.us> Look at Crossover Office. norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Amongst all the available solutions for providing M$ application > access via Linux what would be suggested as the best solution > considering; > > 1) Multiple connections (ie. CAL's) > 2) Stability & security > 3) Cost > 4) Performance both local LAN and remote > > The options we are considering are, (although not exclusive of others) > > WinConnect Server > M$ Terminal CAL on a Win XP or 2003 server (rdesktop) > VMWare GSX server > > The first two options we have tested and seeem to work well although > cost is an issue with WinConnect. M$ seems to be less expensive ?? > VMware GSX would appear to be an ideal solution but we haven't been > able to get it working with K12LTSP > > Any and all suggestions are most welcome as well as any comments > > thank you > norbert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Mar 14 16:45:56 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:45:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, The applications fall into two major catagories; a) IE specific applications that are not compatible with other browsers b) M$ specific applications that do not have an equivalent in Linux nor a Linux version For exemple there's an educational program that builds website and specialty pages but is only compatible with IE. Believe we've tried every other browser and none display the pages as intented. (Clearly this is a conspiracy !!! :-D ) Second application like Simply Accounting and Kidpic have M$ specific clients that will not work in a "WINE" linux environment nor any other that M$ thanks norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Which M$ applications are you looking to access? > > --TP > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Amongst all the available solutions for providing M$ application >> access via Linux what would be suggested as the best solution >> considering; >> >> 1) Multiple connections (ie. CAL's) >> 2) Stability & security >> 3) Cost >> 4) Performance both local LAN and remote >> >> The options we are considering are, (although not exclusive of others) >> >> WinConnect Server >> M$ Terminal CAL on a Win XP or 2003 server (rdesktop) >> VMWare GSX server >> >> The first two options we have tested and seeem to work well although >> cost is an issue with WinConnect. M$ seems to be less expensive ?? >> VMware GSX would appear to be an ideal solution but we haven't been >> able to get it working with K12LTSP >> >> Any and all suggestions are most welcome as well as any comments >> >> thank you >> norbert >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Mar 14 16:47:49 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:47:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40548A1C.3050506@sages.us> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <40548A1C.3050506@sages.us> Message-ID: <40548CB5.8070308@netscape.net> Hi, Done that and failed miserably due to the nature of the apps. See my previous posting with an explaination. :-) thanks norbert haysja at sages.us wrote: > Look at Crossover Office. > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Amongst all the available solutions for providing M$ application >> access via Linux what would be suggested as the best solution >> considering; >> >> 1) Multiple connections (ie. CAL's) >> 2) Stability & security >> 3) Cost >> 4) Performance both local LAN and remote >> >> The options we are considering are, (although not exclusive of others) >> >> WinConnect Server >> M$ Terminal CAL on a Win XP or 2003 server (rdesktop) >> VMWare GSX server >> >> The first two options we have tested and seeem to work well although >> cost is an issue with WinConnect. M$ seems to be less expensive ?? >> VMware GSX would appear to be an ideal solution but we haven't been >> able to get it working with K12LTSP >> >> Any and all suggestions are most welcome as well as any comments >> >> thank you >> norbert >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trondrm at online.no Sun Mar 14 22:05:55 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:05:55 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] mini distro for X -query Message-ID: <4054D743.5070508@online.no> Is there a mini distro that can be installed for use with the X -query command to act as a terminal? Perhaps even one that can be installed from floppies? I am thinking of using some terminals with this, and even some with vncviewer in addition to bootp terminals. Will there be any problems with that? Regards Trond M?hlum From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 14 22:40:29 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:40:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] mini distro for X -query In-Reply-To: <4054D743.5070508@online.no> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Trond M?hlum wrote: >Is there a mini distro that can be installed for use with the X -query >command to act as a terminal? Perhaps even one that can be installed >from floppies? > >I am thinking of using some terminals with this, and even some with >vncviewer in addition to bootp terminals. Will there be any problems >with that? I highly doubt you'll find a floppy image that has X on it, it is too big for a floppy. PXES may be close to what you are looking for, the latest version is compatible with LTSP: http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Mar 15 01:47:11 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:47:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> Message-ID: <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> Hi Norbert, I run into a similar situation at work. I'm running K12LTSP 3.1.2 on my workstation. Since we are a major Microsoft shop, several home-grown utilities "work only with Internet Explorer 5.5 or greater." I simply refuse to run those applications. Cisco may well lose a maintenance contract with us because of that (Cisco ACS), because it apparently only works properly with Internet Exploder. I raised enough of a stink that we are now seriously investigating moving from that application to another solution. I put it in terms of "We also use Solaris, and it doesn't work with Solaris Web browsers (i. e. Mozilla)." I took a look at the Kid Pix web site. From what I see, Kid Pix can be easily replaced with something like The GIMP (Paul Nelson has a GIMP class) or TuxPaint. As for building Web pages, there are several GUI Web page makers, discussed in a previous thread. The fact that we can replace Microsoft Office with OpenOffice.org and have kids pick it right up should be encouragement for us to continue pursuing this way of thinking. Another company lost a contract with us, because of their dependence on QuickTime. Turns out that QuickTime was a poor choice--not a cross-platform, open format, and QuickTime seems to have problems with Port Address Translation (PAT). Also, the company said that they tested it only with Internet Exploder. We voted with our dollars. --TP norbert wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > The applications fall into two major catagories; > a) IE specific applications that are not compatible with other browsers > b) M$ specific applications that do not have an equivalent in Linux > nor a Linux version > > For exemple there's an educational program that builds website and > specialty pages but is only compatible with IE. Believe we've tried > every other browser and none display the pages as intented. (Clearly > this is a conspiracy !!! :-D ) > Second application like Simply Accounting and Kidpic have M$ specific > clients that will not work in a "WINE" linux environment nor any other > that M$ > > thanks > norbert > > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> Which M$ applications are you looking to access? >> >> --TP >> >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Amongst all the available solutions for providing M$ application >>> access via Linux what would be suggested as the best solution >>> considering; >>> >>> 1) Multiple connections (ie. CAL's) >>> 2) Stability & security >>> 3) Cost >>> 4) Performance both local LAN and remote >>> >>> The options we are considering are, (although not exclusive of others) >>> >>> WinConnect Server >>> M$ Terminal CAL on a Win XP or 2003 server (rdesktop) >>> VMWare GSX server >>> >>> The first two options we have tested and seeem to work well although >>> cost is an issue with WinConnect. M$ seems to be less expensive ?? >>> VMware GSX would appear to be an ideal solution but we haven't been >>> able to get it working with K12LTSP >>> >>> Any and all suggestions are most welcome as well as any comments >>> >>> thank you >>> norbert >>> From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Mon Mar 15 02:29:07 2004 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:29:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mini distro for X -query In-Reply-To: <4054D743.5070508@online.no> References: <4054D743.5070508@online.no> Message-ID: <20040314212907.3e8ec3f9.gentgeen@linuxmail.org> Check out MuLinux (http://mulinux.sunsite.dk/). It is a a floppy based system. One floppy for the basics, and add-on floppies for what ever parts you need. To do a MuLinux with X, it is either 2 or 3 floppies (I forget now) Another thought would be the small CD based systems, BBC Linux (bootable business card linux) comes to mind. Check out http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php for a list of Linux 'live' CDs On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:05:55 +0100 Trond M wrote: > Is there a mini distro that can be installed for use with the X -query > command to act as a terminal? Perhaps even one that can be installed > from floppies? > > I am thinking of using some terminals with this, and even some with > vncviewer in addition to bootp terminals. Will there be any problems > with that? > > > Regards > > Trond M?hlum > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Mar 15 03:04:44 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:04:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Thanks, however since I'm the new guy coming into the "big" school boards I don't have much clout to tell them to dump those applications. The Tux suite is close to Kidpix but not quite and the board has invested large amounts of money into the licenses !!!! This is also trus for the Web application so I need to find the best of the available solutions Replacing their investments is not an option at this time but once in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look out M$ :-D :-D norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Hi Norbert, > > I run into a similar situation at work. I'm running K12LTSP 3.1.2 on > my workstation. Since we are a major Microsoft shop, several > home-grown utilities "work only with Internet Explorer 5.5 or > greater." I simply refuse to run those applications. Cisco may well > lose a maintenance contract with us because of that (Cisco ACS), > because it apparently only works properly with Internet Exploder. I > raised enough of a stink that we are now seriously investigating > moving from that application to another solution. I put it in terms > of "We also use Solaris, and it doesn't work with Solaris Web browsers > (i. e. Mozilla)." > > I took a look at the Kid Pix web site. From what I see, Kid Pix can > be easily replaced with something like The GIMP (Paul Nelson has a > GIMP class) or TuxPaint. As for building Web pages, there are several > GUI Web page makers, discussed in a previous thread. The fact that we > can replace Microsoft Office with OpenOffice.org and have kids pick it > right up should be encouragement for us to continue pursuing this way > of thinking. > > Another company lost a contract with us, because of their dependence > on QuickTime. Turns out that QuickTime was a poor choice--not a > cross-platform, open format, and QuickTime seems to have problems with > Port Address Translation (PAT). Also, the company said that they > tested it only with Internet Exploder. We voted with our dollars. > > --TP > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi Terrell, >> >> The applications fall into two major catagories; >> a) IE specific applications that are not compatible with other browsers >> b) M$ specific applications that do not have an equivalent in Linux >> nor a Linux version >> >> For exemple there's an educational program that builds website and >> specialty pages but is only compatible with IE. Believe we've tried >> every other browser and none display the pages as intented. (Clearly >> this is a conspiracy !!! :-D ) >> Second application like Simply Accounting and Kidpic have M$ specific >> clients that will not work in a "WINE" linux environment nor any >> other that M$ >> >> thanks >> norbert >> >> microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >> >>> Which M$ applications are you looking to access? >>> >>> --TP >>> >>> norbert wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Amongst all the available solutions for providing M$ application >>>> access via Linux what would be suggested as the best solution >>>> considering; >>>> >>>> 1) Multiple connections (ie. CAL's) >>>> 2) Stability & security >>>> 3) Cost >>>> 4) Performance both local LAN and remote >>>> >>>> The options we are considering are, (although not exclusive of others) >>>> >>>> WinConnect Server >>>> M$ Terminal CAL on a Win XP or 2003 server (rdesktop) >>>> VMWare GSX server >>>> >>>> The first two options we have tested and seeem to work well >>>> although cost is an issue with WinConnect. M$ seems to be less >>>> expensive ?? >>>> VMware GSX would appear to be an ideal solution but we haven't been >>>> able to get it working with K12LTSP >>>> >>>> Any and all suggestions are most welcome as well as any comments >>>> >>>> thank you >>>> norbert >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 15 06:32:45 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:32:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix users? Message-ID: Today I started work on building new openmosix packages. A few people have mentioned that they are using openmosix in a K12LTSP environment with great results. If you are using K12LTSP+openmosix, would you be so kind as to post your experiences? I'm interested in knowing your configuration, i.e. are you using oMFS and if so how are you syncing uids, what is your hardware - just clustering servers, or throwing clients into the mix? -Eric From Trond.Maehlum at kongsvinger.kommune.no Mon Mar 15 08:33:47 2004 From: Trond.Maehlum at kongsvinger.kommune.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:33:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS via webmin Message-ID: Having given up on LDAP, I am now trying to set up NIS authentification and one fileserver for /home. When I set up NIS in Webmin, is it necessary to perform any commands as well? The only how-to's I find are for the command line and not for Webmin. Also, when I am using several TS's with on fileserver with exported /home, the fileserver should be connected to eth1 on the TS's, right? My fileserver will have only one nic. Regards Trond M?hlum -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mexico > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Fotos: la forma m?s f?cil de compartir e imprimir fotos. > http://photos.msn.es/support/worldwide.aspx > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Mon Mar 15 15:47:36 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:47:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Clients can't get /lts/vmlinuz Message-ID: <4055D018.90502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> I just installed a classroom lab server (5 old-clients, laser printer & new server for $900!). I installed K12LTSP 3.0.0. Then apt-get update and upgrade. Then apt-get installed the packages that were not upgraded automatically (XFree86, redhat-menus and a few others). Then apt-get dist-upgrade. Then apt-get installed gdm, dia and xmms (because they were removed by apt). All done this morning. Now the clients won't boot. They are trying to load /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (or something like that). Can't find the file. What have I done wrong? I think I'll just reinstall the who thing (again). BUT, am I doing something wrong with apt-get that is causing this problem? The clients booted FINE before I did all this apt-get stuff. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From jamtat at mailsnare.net Mon Mar 15 15:48:12 2004 From: jamtat at mailsnare.net (James Miller) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:48:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: mini distro for X -query In-Reply-To: <20040315141132.E5EE173487@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040315141132.E5EE173487@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 Trond M?hlum wrote: > Is there a mini distro that can be installed for use with the X -query > command to act as a terminal? Perhaps even one that can be installed > from floppies? > > I am thinking of using some terminals with this, and even some with > vncviewer in addition to bootp terminals. Will there be any problems > with that? BasicLinux 3.01 is now available: ----------------------------------------- http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/bl3-01.zip ----------------------------------------- boots from hda1, hda2, hda3, hda4, hdb1, hdc1, hdd1 bug in mail setup fixed mailto capability added to links manpage for swm TERM in rxvt changed from linux to xterm This one is still undergoing some testing and runs Xvesa (as opposed to X), but it's only 2 or 3 MB and could certainly be fit on floppies. It's being developed to do remote X queries, but can also act as a standalone system (on machines with 8Mb RAM or more). You might want to join the listserv for more info on getting it to do X queries (works a bit differently that K12ltsp). Getting vncviewer to work with this might be a bit of a challenge though - folks on the listserv are pretty helpful with trying to implement new things like this. James From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 15 15:58:31 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:58:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] forcing mail traffic to mailgate In-Reply-To: <1079148387.9351.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <003501c40aa6$6042dca0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I wasn't the culprit here but I think I have done the same in the past. I didn't know that is how the threads worked. I will exert better forum etiquette in the future. Thanks for the tip. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] [OT] forcing mail traffic to mailgate On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 21:30, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > a question a bit out of topic: How shoul More than out of topic you hijacked the thread "[K12OSN] [OT] Tux Paint website look-n-fee" If you have to start a new topic please start off with a new mail. Do not be lazy and change the subject only after pressing reply button. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 15 16:55:02 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:55:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <1070.66.138.175.63.1079191265.squirrel@66.138.175.63> Message-ID: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> What does it take to host updates? I may be able to help out in the bandwidth area. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:21 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update David Trask said: > How is the WBEL situation working? Lovin' it! We've migrated our mail and samba servers over to WBEL as well. People are catching on to how great whitebox is....which is why we really need some folks with bandwidth to help host the updates. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us I might be crazy...but it sure helps _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Mar 15 17:00:10 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:00:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] mini distro for X -query In-Reply-To: References: <4054D743.5070508@online.no> Message-ID: <20040315170010.GD18403@wizzy.com> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > >Is there a mini distro that can be installed for use with the X -query > >command to act as a terminal? Perhaps even one that can be installed > >from floppies? > > I highly doubt you'll find a floppy image that has X on it, it is too > big for a floppy. > > PXES may be close to what you are looking for, the latest version is > compatible with LTSP: > > http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ I have heard that knoppix is making major strides in this direction ? PXE-bootable system that does knoppix-style hardware detection on the client ? Not as thin as a thin client, probably needs more RAM, but has local Apps. Not used it myself, but if anyone can do it, they can. Cheers, Andy! From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 15 17:17:31 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:17:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Has anyone investigated the alternatives to WB? Maybe it is just the web site, but I don't see much to inspire confidence that they will be willing and able to provide updates forever. There are similar projects at http://caosity.org/ and http://taolinux.org that might turn out to be more of a community effort. The thin client work at http://taolinux.org/tao_tc/features looks particularly interesting with respect to k12ltsp. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 15 17:30:14 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:30:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <003701c40ab3$2ff0f200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I haven't tried anything else yet but I did load WBEL on my new server this weekend and the install seemed real slow for some reason. The initial install screens took forever to click through (compared to RH9 and Fedora). Everything looks great now that it is running but it just made me nervous. What is missing or different to make it slower on install. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:18 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Cc: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Subject: RE: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update Has anyone investigated the alternatives to WB? Maybe it is just the web site, but I don't see much to inspire confidence that they will be willing and able to provide updates forever. There are similar projects at http://caosity.org/ and http://taolinux.org that might turn out to be more of a community effort. The thin client work at http://taolinux.org/tao_tc/features looks particularly interesting with respect to k12ltsp. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 15 17:43:33 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:43:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1079372612.32267.20.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:17, Les Mikesell wrote: > Has anyone investigated the alternatives to WB? Maybe it is just the > web site, but I don't see much to inspire confidence that they will > be willing and able to provide updates forever. If push came to shove, you could just rebuild the RHEL SRPMs on your own, since that's largely what WBEL is doing, minus the artwork removal/replacement. > There are similar projects at http://caosity.org/ and > http://taolinux.org that might turn out to be more of a community > effort. The thin client work at http://taolinux.org/tao_tc/features > looks particularly interesting with respect to k12ltsp. I installed the CentOS 3 build 4 release. Looked mostly like WBEL, but with different artwork. That was a few months back; looks like they're on build 8 now. -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 15 17:52:51 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:52:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <1079372612.32267.20.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1079372612.32267.20.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1079373171.32267.26.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:43, Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:17, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Has anyone investigated the alternatives to WB? Maybe it is just the > > web site, but I don't see much to inspire confidence that they will > > be willing and able to provide updates forever. > > If push came to shove, you could just rebuild the RHEL SRPMs on your > own, since that's largely what WBEL is doing, minus the artwork > removal/replacement. Re-reading this, I'm trivializing an important and NON-trivial process that the WBEL guys are doing. The best answer to the confidence/longevity problem is "chip in", I think. -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 15 17:36:58 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:36:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <003701c40ab3$2ff0f200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003701c40ab3$2ff0f200$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1079372218.3733.110.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:30, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I haven't tried anything else yet but I did load WBEL on my new server > this weekend and the install seemed real slow for some reason. The > initial install screens took forever to click through (compared to RH9 > and Fedora). Everything looks great now that it is running but it just > made me nervous. What is missing or different to make it slower on > install. I did a RH9 install on Friday that had the same behavior. The installer was very sluggish, but installed all of the packages quickly. After rebooting, everything was very fast. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 15 18:18:38 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:18:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <1079372218.3733.110.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <004a01c40ab9$f2de9f00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Cool. That puts me a little more at ease. I haven't had a copy of RHEL to install for comparison, just RH9. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:37 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:30, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I haven't tried anything else yet but I did load WBEL on my new server > this weekend and the install seemed real slow for some reason. The > initial install screens took forever to click through (compared to RH9 > and Fedora). Everything looks great now that it is running but it > just made me nervous. What is missing or different to make it slower > on install. I did a RH9 install on Friday that had the same behavior. The installer was very sluggish, but installed all of the packages quickly. After rebooting, everything was very fast. -Eric --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/11/2004 From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 15 18:10:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:10:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 21:04, norbert wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > Thanks, however since I'm the new guy coming into the "big" school > boards I don't have much clout to tell them to dump those applications. > The Tux suite is close to Kidpix but not quite and the board has > invested large amounts of money into the licenses !!!! > This is also trus for the Web application so I need to find the best of > the available solutions > > Replacing their investments is not an option at this time but once in > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look out M$ :-D :-D > If the licenses are already paid, your best bet is to let the boxes run Windows for the installed apps and add Cygwin X to access the k12ltsp server. If you run 'Xwin -fullscreen -query k12ltsp_server' you shouldn't be able to tell the difference from a thin client except that you won't have sound and 'alt-tab' will hide the X screen and toggle through the open MS windows (and back). Later you may be able to justify eliminating windows on the basis of the amount of time it takes to maintain software installed on each desktop. There are other ways to run X that are more convenient for mixing MS and X apps, but -fullscreen is probably the least confusing for a new user. If you can arrange for their Linux home directories to be mapped by the windows clients so the same files are visible either way, so much the better. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jsiler at varnett.com Mon Mar 15 18:11:50 2004 From: jsiler at varnett.com (jsiler at varnett.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:11:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Texas LTSP Demo - eRate Message-ID: <200403151811.i2FIBnVC007016@varnett.com> Does anyone in Texas or Louisiana have a 30+ user deployment of LTSP? Our technology planning committee would like to see a real world example in addition to my proof of concept. Is anyone using eRate funding to offset the cost of the server hardware? Thanks, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JProdzinski at winona.edu Mon Mar 15 19:16:04 2004 From: JProdzinski at winona.edu (Prodzinski, Jeffrey P) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:16:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] can I make it autologin again on logout? Message-ID: I am using AutoLogin with KDM. The clients AutoLogin just fine but if the user chooses to log out it goes back to KDM.. I would like this to automagically log back in and never have the user see KDM. Anyone doing this or have an idea? Jeff Prodzinski Information Technology Specialist Winona State University Phone: 507-457-5543 Email: jprodzinski at winona.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us Mon Mar 15 19:23:36 2004 From: jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us (John Pace) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:23:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access In-Reply-To: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B66@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: I have just installed CensorNet (also testing K12LTSP and Squid / DG too). There seems to be a significant delay when switching a user from "Filtered" to "Unfiltered" access. I have tried closing the browser, ctrl-F5, and logging the user off then back on. The delay is several minutes long. Any ideas why I am experiencing this delay? I have the same delay going from "Unfiltered" to "Filtered" also. I am accessing CensorNet using the web-based interface from a Win2k computer. John Pace Webster County Library (417) 468-3335 jpace at webstercounty.lib.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 11:55 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access Take a look at CensorNet. http://www.censornet.com/ Very slick, pre-configured opensource content filter. We use it and I highly recommend it. Doug Gough > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Elliott > Sent: March 11, 2004 8:53 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Monitoring Internet Access > > > George - > You mentioned CPU drain with identd - I have a 2.4GHz Celeron, do you > believe I would have issues with only 5-10 users? This > afternoon I may > try DansGuardian. I didn't realize it already contained User > IDs. Do > you have any suggestions or advice for the install? > > Thanks, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 15 19:24:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:24:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <1079373171.32267.26.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1079372612.32267.20.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1079373171.32267.26.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1079378693.10430.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 11:52, Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:43, Dan Young wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:17, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > Has anyone investigated the alternatives to WB? Maybe it is just the > > > web site, but I don't see much to inspire confidence that they will > > > be willing and able to provide updates forever. > > > > If push came to shove, you could just rebuild the RHEL SRPMs on your > > own, since that's largely what WBEL is doing, minus the artwork > > removal/replacement. > > Re-reading this, I'm trivializing an important and NON-trivial process > that the WBEL guys are doing. The best answer to the > confidence/longevity problem is "chip in", I think. Yes, but I get the impression from the WBEL site and mailing list that it is pretty much a one man show. That's why I thought that something starting out a little more community-oriented might have a better chance at staying around. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Mon Mar 15 19:35:15 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Texas LTSP Demo - eRate In-Reply-To: <200403151811.i2FIBnVC007016@varnett.com> References: <200403151811.i2FIBnVC007016@varnett.com> Message-ID: <40560573.7050002@sages.us> I highly doubt that E-Rate would pay for an LTSP "server". I may be wrong, but as I understand the rules, this would be a stretch. jsiler at varnett.com wrote: > Does anyone in Texas or Louisiana have a 30+ user deployment of LTSP? > Our technology planning committee would like to see a real world > example in addition to my proof of concept. > > > > Is anyone using eRate funding to offset the cost of the server hardware? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From balmquist at mindphyre.com Mon Mar 15 19:44:06 2004 From: balmquist at mindphyre.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:44:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL K12ltsp update In-Reply-To: <1079378693.10430.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1079372612.32267.20.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1079373171.32267.26.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1079378693.10430.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1EBBA350-76B9-11D8-AC19-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Slackware is pretty much a one man show too, and it's been around for a long time. Though when it had sparc and alpha ports there used to be three people working on it. > Yes, but I get the impression from the WBEL site and mailing list that > it is pretty much a one man show. That's why I thought that something > starting out a little more community-oriented might have a better > chance at staying around. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkBWB34ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQhOQCfaH7bCpnw3LQLEzeBFMFuNL5y r9kAnAxY9x7OScy9GR6XsOznmQuNTxYY =TXx9 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkBWB4YACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQS5QCfRZIwFmGvSBJslL+TxWWuwbA4 u3gAmgOX74tcFxuBKDUzn8LiITDUVA5I =3kqD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Mon Mar 15 19:45:55 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:45:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Texas LTSP Demo - eRate In-Reply-To: <40560573.7050002@sages.us> References: <200403151811.i2FIBnVC007016@varnett.com> <40560573.7050002@sages.us> Message-ID: I think it will. Servers are conditionally eligible. You can apply for erate funding if the server is to be used as a www server, or dns etc. Terminal servers are covered under erate, but file servers are not. So as long as you aren't using the terminal server to store users files, it should be 100% legitimate. Scott http://www.sl.universalservice.org/reference/eligible.asp >I highly doubt that E-Rate would pay for an LTSP "server". I may be >wrong, but as I understand the rules, this would be a stretch. > > >jsiler at varnett.com wrote: > >>Does anyone in Texas or Louisiana have a 30+ user deployment of >>LTSP? Our technology planning committee would like to see a real >>world example in addition to my proof of concept. >> >> >>Is anyone using eRate funding to offset the cost of the server hardware? >> >> >> >>Thanks, >> >>Jeff >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From falieson at falsworld.com Sun Mar 14 23:58:19 2004 From: falieson at falsworld.com (Florian Mettetal) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:58:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ideal Server for Max users Message-ID: <1079308699.787.17.camel@kaneda.home.lan> I was wondering what some would recommend for a K12ltsp server? I see the limitations in my school being both budget and bandwith. The primary question I have is, through a gigabit nic what would be the maximum amount of clients before saturation? And for that many clients.. how much RAM? My goal is to build a server box that can maintain as many clients as possible for less than 900$. The biggest debate at the moment is AMD vs. Intel! I can't imagine that k12ltsp takes a lot of processing power though. But, I figured I would ask those who have more experiance than I. Best Regards, Florian Mettetal From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Mon Mar 15 22:05:37 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:05:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing to Local Clients Message-ID: <405628B1.9070003@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Thanks for reading my message. Would anyone be able to point me in a direction of a HowTo or instructions to setup a local printer on client machines (physically connected to the clients)? I have once again tried to search the archive, but it appears that RedHat has taken that down for the time being. Thanks in advance, Mike From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 15 16:46:26 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:46:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Clients can't get /lts/vmlinuz In-Reply-To: <4055D018.90502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4055D018.90502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <04031511471500.00392@newguy> check you dhcpd.conf file for the filename attribute...that /vmlinuz-whatever should exist in /tftpboot/lts...chuck From warren at togami.com Mon Mar 15 23:10:43 2004 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:10:43 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] flash-plugin-6.0.81 Update Message-ID: <405637F3.2030803@togami.com> http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/flash/english/linux/6.0r81/ install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz I have just noticed that Macromedia's download site is now showing a new 6.0.81 binary for Linux. I cannot find any changelog on Macromedia's site, however there are a few things that I noticed empirically while packaging it. I also added some little fixes to the package to hopefully improve compatibility with the different distributions. Changes since flash-plugin-6.0.79-2.i386.rpm: - update to 6.0.81 - no longer requires libstdc++ Should solve XPCOM integration javascript problems with gcc-3.x compiled Mozilla Although in testing some javascript integration either acts funny or fails. Try Macromedia's examples on this page: http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY - i386 binary only - really fix dir ownership - support firefox - gtk2 click-thru As usual, get the new RPM from the nearest mirror at http://macromedia.mplug.org apt, urpmi, yum, up2date repositories are available like usual. http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/linuxflash Inform this mailing list if you run into any trouble. http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY RPM packages are signed by this GPG key. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Mar 15 23:12:15 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:12:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] please don't smack me (stupid question) In-Reply-To: <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4056384F.2040401@snet.net> Okay, this will show just how ignorant I am , after using this OS at home for two years. The problem is, I have never networked one of these, running it on two standalone machines at home. So, I get this 450mhz AMD with 96mb ram from my church. They were trhowing it out and knew I was looking for hardware for my classroom. I installed RH 8, on it, actually, because for some reason I could not get it to read my k12 3.1.2 iso discs and the next latest I could find were 2.1. Anyway, I took this little thing to school and hooked it up to the network. It found the internet fine through the proxy and I was able to configure it to print to a printer on the network, but I can't seem to find how to access student files, on a Mac server on the same network. Suggestions? I know this is the K12 list, not Psyche list, but, you guys are the BEST! (Hopefull flattery works.) -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 15 19:21:54 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:21:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] please don't smack me (stupid question) In-Reply-To: <4056384F.2040401@snet.net> References: <003601c40aae$46dc5a90$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079371051.10430.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4056384F.2040401@snet.net> Message-ID: <04031514244400.00554@newguy> you can use netatalk to put all files from thee mac server to your redhat box...and chances are you can use samba to see windows shares existing on yuor macintosh server if it is set up to do that.....rh 8 i think is very gracious about starting netatalk...chuck From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 00:51:53 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:51:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question Message-ID: <40564FA9.6010609@netscape.net> Hi, Has anyone setup their lab in this fashion; Outside World -> Cable Modem -> Linux Firewall & Gateway -> K12LTSP and accessed via vnc the client accounts from the outside? I know about IP forwarding but it does not seem to work with this configuration, possibly due to my own ineptitude !! :-D Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. thanks norbert From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 15 20:43:38 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:43:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question-hi norbert In-Reply-To: <40564FA9.6010609@netscape.net> References: <40564FA9.6010609@netscape.net> Message-ID: <04031515454800.00639@newguy> i have used vnc via ssh to get a desktop from a modem connection..it is slow as death...i think the answer is to use winscp to get access to the documents and run openofice on th remot e machine....chuck From julius at turtle.com Tue Mar 16 02:16:35 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:16:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Texas LTSP Demo - eRate In-Reply-To: <200403151811.i2FIBnVC007016@varnett.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 jsiler at varnett.com wrote: > Does anyone in Texas or Louisiana have a 30+ user deployment of LTSP? Our > technology planning committee would like to see a real world example in > addition to my proof of concept. Jeff, I have a small ( <= 20 ) installation in our branch in Houston. the bigger brother of it lives in headquarters in Linden, NJ and there are 4 more production siblings, 2 more coming, altogether over 100 terminals. This is commercial,not school environment. julius From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 02:17:00 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:17:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question-hi norbert In-Reply-To: <04031515454800.00639@newguy> References: <40564FA9.6010609@netscape.net> <04031515454800.00639@newguy> Message-ID: <4056639C.4040106@netscape.net> Hi, Thanks for the tip however this setup is being used to teach classes REMOTELY & the students need to access the K12ltsp server graphically to run their web design programs. Although there are only 8 connections at any one time they need access through the firewall... thks norbert cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >i have used vnc via ssh to get a desktop from a modem connection..it is slow as >death...i think the answer is to use winscp to get access to the documents and >run openofice on th remot e machine....chuck > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 02:18:26 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:18:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix users? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405663F2.1030306@netscape.net> Hi Eric, OK what would you like to know ? I've run probably every imaginable configuration with clusters, how can I help ? norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >Today I started work on building new openmosix packages. > >A few people have mentioned that they are using openmosix in a K12LTSP >environment with great results. > >If you are using K12LTSP+openmosix, would you be so kind as to post >your experiences? I'm interested in knowing your configuration, i.e. >are you using oMFS and if so how are you syncing uids, what is your >hardware - just clustering servers, or throwing clients into the mix? > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 02:20:18 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:20:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40566462.3030206@netscape.net> Hi Les, Thanks but would it not be better to have the K12ltsp setup and configure a M$ server with CALs then have the thin clients rdesktop into the M$ server ? norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 21:04, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi Terrell, >> >>Thanks, however since I'm the new guy coming into the "big" school >>boards I don't have much clout to tell them to dump those applications. >>The Tux suite is close to Kidpix but not quite and the board has >>invested large amounts of money into the licenses !!!! >>This is also trus for the Web application so I need to find the best of >>the available solutions >> >>Replacing their investments is not an option at this time but once in >>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look out M$ :-D :-D >> >> >> > >If the licenses are already paid, your best bet is to let the boxes >run Windows for the installed apps and add Cygwin X to access the >k12ltsp server. If you run 'Xwin -fullscreen -query k12ltsp_server' >you shouldn't be able to tell the difference from a thin client >except that you won't have sound and 'alt-tab' will hide the X screen >and toggle through the open MS windows (and back). Later you may >be able to justify eliminating windows on the basis of the amount of >time it takes to maintain software installed on each desktop. There >are other ways to run X that are more convenient for mixing MS and >X apps, but -fullscreen is probably the least confusing for a new >user. If you can arrange for their Linux home directories to be mapped >by the windows clients so the same files are visible either way, so much >the better. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This has the dual benefit of encryption and compression. julius From julius at turtle.com Tue Mar 16 02:44:57 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:44:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question-hi norbert In-Reply-To: <4056639C.4040106@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, norbert wrote: > Thanks for the tip however this setup is being used to teach classes > REMOTELY & the students need to access the K12ltsp server graphically to > run their web design programs. Although there are only 8 connections at > any one time they need access through the firewall... Norbert, some things just won't work and graphical access over a slow link is one of them. You have to rethink the application. I have a limited success accessing a server with x or VNC from home, where i have cable connect usually running in the 5+ Mb range. The server is connectec by T1, so right there we have a bottle neck. julius From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 16 02:49:53 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:49:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix users? In-Reply-To: <405663F2.1030306@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, norbert wrote: >Hi Eric, > >OK what would you like to know ? I've run probably every imaginable >configuration with clusters, how can I help ? > >norbert Execellent! If I post the work I've done so far, would you be willing to critique it? I'm pretty close to having something usable, maybe will have something worth showing by the end of the night. My main goal is to see if this technology can be deployed in such a way that it would be useful for the average K12LTSP user. By that I mean they would install the packages, maybe make a single change to the lts.conf file, and it "just works". The second half of the work I'm doing is making it easy (or at least easier) to keep LTSP clients in sync with the openmosix releases. It has been a LONG TIME since I've updated my openmosix packages, the process is too much of a pain. So if you add the two up, I'd like to see an easy-to-use default configuration that would also be a decent base for more complicated configurations. -Eric >eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > >>Today I started work on building new openmosix packages. >> >>A few people have mentioned that they are using openmosix in a K12LTSP >>environment with great results. >> >>If you are using K12LTSP+openmosix, would you be so kind as to post >>your experiences? I'm interested in knowing your configuration, i.e. >>are you using oMFS and if so how are you syncing uids, what is your >>hardware - just clustering servers, or throwing clients into the mix? >> >>-Eric >> From hendersonh at unit5.org Tue Mar 16 03:11:09 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:11:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] please don't smack me (stupid question) In-Reply-To: <4056384F.2040401@snet.net> Message-ID: What kind of Mac server? OSX, you can mount Home dir over NFS and or SMB. Assuming those protocols are enabled on the server. I turn everything but AFP off of our Mac servers as there is not a need to access them any other way right now. -- Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB3sbabJdA219HtLEQIiBQCgmCZPpvM0TVElSmogQLMICwe3WeAAoPz3 nqnBAwcfixSr/WETxcGWRMwc =Hghf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 3/15/04 5:12 PM, "anthony baldwin" wrote: > > Okay, this will show just how ignorant I am , after using this OS at > home for two years. > The problem is, I have never networked one of these, running it on two > standalone machines at home. > So, I get this 450mhz AMD with 96mb ram from my church. They were > trhowing it out and knew I was looking for hardware for my classroom. > I installed RH 8, on it, actually, because for some reason I could not > get it to read my k12 3.1.2 iso discs and the next latest I could find > were 2.1. > Anyway, I took this little thing to school and hooked it up to the > network. It found the internet fine through the proxy and I was able to > configure it to print to a printer on the network, but I can't seem to > find how to access student files, on a Mac server on the same network. > Suggestions? > I know this is the K12 list, not Psyche list, but, you guys are the BEST! > (Hopefull flattery works.) > From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 16 03:11:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:11:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40566462.3030206@netscape.net> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40566462.3030206@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1079406672.11791.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 20:20, norbert wrote: > Thanks but would it not be better to have the K12ltsp setup and > configure a M$ server with CALs then have the thin clients rdesktop > into the M$ server ? > A central server is easier to install and maintain, but MS apps are designed to run separately on each desktop and you aren't going to get any functional improvement by running them remotely unless the desktop machines are just too slow. Also, you probably already paid for the desktop copy of windows and the apps and would have to buy CALs and a hefty server to run them remotely. X, on the other hand, has always been location and OS agnostic and the current free Cygwin version seems pretty good. I haven't tested it on exactly the same hardware as an ltsp client but a PII 350 laptop running Win2k/Cygwin seems fast enough. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 16 03:19:01 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:19:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question-hi norbert In-Reply-To: <4056639C.4040106@netscape.net> References: <40564FA9.6010609@netscape.net> <04031515454800.00639@newguy> <4056639C.4040106@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1079407140.11791.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 20:17, norbert wrote: > > Thanks for the tip however this setup is being used to teach classes > REMOTELY & the students need to access the K12ltsp server graphically to > run their web design programs. Although there are only 8 connections at > any one time they need access through the firewall... > VNC for remote access beats having to drive 20 miles to type a few things into a GUI program, but it isn't going to be a good learning experience. You'll either need a lot of bandwidth to this location or a local server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From satimis at icare.com.hk Tue Mar 16 13:25:43 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:25:43 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hot Swapserver Message-ID: <200403162125.43395.satimis@icare.com.hk> Hi folks, Kindly advise what is hot swapserver. Pointer would be appreciated. TIA B.R. Stephen Liu From satimis at icare.com.hk Tue Mar 16 13:46:02 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:46:02 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403162146.02475.satimis@icare.com.hk> - snip - > I'd like to add an important caveat to Paul's response: the "swapserver" > script needs to be tested Hi Julius, Kindly advise what will be a "swapserver' script TIA B.R. Stephen Liu From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Mar 16 05:03:51 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:03:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] mini distro for X -query In-Reply-To: <20040315170010.GD18403@wizzy.com> References: <4054D743.5070508@online.no> <20040315170010.GD18403@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <40568AB7.4000408@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Andy Rabagliati wrote: > I have heard that knoppix is making major strides in this direction ? > > PXE-bootable system that does knoppix-style hardware detection on the client ? > > Not as thin as a thin client, probably needs more RAM, but has local Apps. > > Not used it myself, but if anyone can do it, they can. > > Cheers, Andy! I've used it. It's just about the other way round from a LTSP network. You need a week server, but with fast drives. More than one client from a CD-ROM doesn't work well. And you need strong clients. 32MB RAM simply won't work. I'd recommend at least 128MB. In the end, it's just normal Linux booted off an NFS share. It does work nice, and you do save money for not using hard disks. It's a good solution if you have a bit more money or stronger hardware, IMO. Jonathan From chris at lasertronics.net Tue Mar 16 07:33:02 2004 From: chris at lasertronics.net (Chris Gillies) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:33:02 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Ten Thumbs Message-ID: <4056ADAE.70402@lasertronics.net> Sorry if this is not the correct forum, but I am having trouble with Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor, and I am not sure if it is the program or my k12ltsp. When I launch the program the first screen comes up fine, it then flick to what is the student log in screen. This displays for about 1 second and then the whole screen goes blank. Using alt-tab I know the system is alive because it tabs between the open programs (but the screen is black now for all applications), and the mouse still works. I then have to use ctrl backspace to kill the x sessions. I am using version 2.1 of K12ltsp (I know its old but it goes well!) and I have update to the latest XFree (4.4). I am tried various display setting from 800x600 @ 256 colours to 1024x768 @ 16bit colour. I am not sure what to try next. If I can't get this to work, does anyone have suggestions for a typing tutor suitable for Primaru school kids All help appreciated. Chris Gillies IT Co-ordinator St Thomas's School Mareeba AUSTRALIA. From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Mar 16 08:47:35 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:47:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] please don't smack me (stupid question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4056BF27.7010301@snet.net> Heath Henderson wrote: > What kind of Mac server? OSX, you can mount Home dir over NFS and or SMB. > Assuming those protocols are enabled on the server. I turn everything but > AFP off of our Mac servers as there is not a need to access them any other > way right now. > I wish that we had OS X servers. I understand OS X. This school is so backwards that it's full of old macs running OS 9 and some even with OS 8. The servers are OS 9. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Mar 16 10:00:07 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:00:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] acroread failure Message-ID: <4056D027.70201@snet.net> Hey, What's up with this? [root at localhost bin]# cd /usr/local/Acrobat5/bin [root at localhost bin]# ./acroread Warning: charset "UTF-8" not supported, using "ISO8859-1". Aborted And how can I fix it? Please... I have xPDF, of course, for reading files, but, for some reason, xPDF won't allow me to save files. And Acrobat Reader has a few other handy features. This isn't mission critical, really, but I'd like to get it going, anyway. (I'm reading the LPI tutorials from DRobbins (Gentoo guy) at IBM Developerworks and I've dled them all as PDF and I think acroread would be handier for reading them, but xPDF is doing the job for now.) tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 16 07:04:59 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:04:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] please don't smack me (stupid question) In-Reply-To: <4056BF27.7010301@snet.net> References: <4056BF27.7010301@snet.net> Message-ID: <04031602055400.00915@newguy> thought of using mac in ltsp?? chuck From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 12:49:44 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:49:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix users? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4056F7E8.6050707@netscape.net> Hi Eric, I would love to see OM incorporated into the K12LTSP & actually what would be more attractive, with the availability of fast thin clients, is to have a Knoppix type clustering available> This would really make great use of the additional computing "power" of the thin clients. Again any help I can contribute. norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >>Hi Eric, >> >>OK what would you like to know ? I've run probably every imaginable >>configuration with clusters, how can I help ? >> >>norbert >> >> > >Execellent! > >If I post the work I've done so far, would you be willing to >critique it? I'm pretty close to having something usable, maybe >will have something worth showing by the end of the night. > >My main goal is to see if this technology can be deployed in such >a way that it would be useful for the average K12LTSP user. By >that I mean they would install the packages, maybe make a single >change to the lts.conf file, and it "just works". > >The second half of the work I'm doing is making it easy (or at >least easier) to keep LTSP clients in sync with the openmosix >releases. It has been a LONG TIME since I've updated my openmosix >packages, the process is too much of a pain. > >So if you add the two up, I'd like to see an easy-to-use default >configuration that would also be a decent base for more complicated >configurations. > >-Eric > > > >>eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >> >> >> >>>Today I started work on building new openmosix packages. >>> >>>A few people have mentioned that they are using openmosix in a K12LTSP >>>environment with great results. >>> >>>If you are using K12LTSP+openmosix, would you be so kind as to post >>>your experiences? I'm interested in knowing your configuration, i.e. >>>are you using oMFS and if so how are you syncing uids, what is your >>>hardware - just clustering servers, or throwing clients into the mix? >>> >>>-Eric >>> >>> >>> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 13:21:46 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:21:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question-hi norbert In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4056FF6A.10704@netscape.net> Hi Julius, Thanks for the info,, :-) Just a couple of points; 1) All the external users have a high-speed internet connection, either cable-modem or DSL. 2) With the LTSP server connected directly to the cable-modem VNC connections are fine, no bottle-neck nor any slowdown. However we need to "secure" the site and wanted to insert a firewall between the modem and the LTSP server, hence the question. Therefore both an IP forwarding and a port forwarding needs to be done ? Could you give me an example ? thanks norbert julius at turtle.com wrote: >On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, norbert wrote: > > >>Thanks for the tip however this setup is being used to teach classes >>REMOTELY & the students need to access the K12ltsp server graphically to >>run their web design programs. Although there are only 8 connections at >>any one time they need access through the firewall... >> >> >Norbert, > some things just won't work and graphical access over a slow link >is one of them. You have to rethink the application. I have a limited >success accessing a server with x or VNC from home, where i have cable >connect usually running in the 5+ Mb range. The server is connectec by T1, >so right there we have a bottle neck. julius > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julius at turtle.com Tue Mar 16 13:35:24 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:35:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: <200403162146.02475.satimis@icare.com.hk> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Stephen Liu wrote: > > I'd like to add an important caveat to Paul's response: the "swapserver" > > script needs to be tested > > Hi Julius, > > Kindly advise what will be a "swapserver' script Stephen, the "swapserver" scrip is the script you run to swap the servers. You write it, you put in it all the stuff that is needed to swap the servers - gateway changes, dns changes, addresses of servers to connect to for various apps, etc. All the stuff that is necessary for correct settings for *your* local environment. Then you test it. julius From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 13:37:23 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:37:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1079406672.11791.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40566462.3030206@netscape.net> <1079406672.11791.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40570313.90207@netscape.net> Hi Les, There is a "special" agreement between schools & M$ that allows them to convert their app licenses toserver licenses. As to the CALs for the server, we have found a non-profit source that donates these server licenses to schools, so that is no longer an issue. What needs to be addressed are the "mechanics" of the solution. Based on a thin-client K12LTSP structure what would be the better solution; 1) M$ server with CALs & using rdesktop from each client, 2) M$ server with WinConnect & using rdesktop from each client, 3) VMWare GSX server running on the LTSP, or some other appp server. Provided that this can be made to work with thin-clients. My attempts with this have not been successful. Bottom line if anyone has experience with any of the above or has been able to get VMWare GSX server working with multiple clients I'd really appreciated the input and feedback. From the reaction we've gotten thus far schools are far more open to this "alternative" then just a K123ltsp replacement of their labs. I now throw myself out to the community for comments, critiques or suggestions. thanks norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 20:20, norbert wrote: > > > >>Thanks but would it not be better to have the K12ltsp setup and >>configure a M$ server with CALs then have the thin clients rdesktop >>into the M$ server ? >> >> >> > >A central server is easier to install and maintain, but >MS apps are designed to run separately on each desktop >and you aren't going to get any functional improvement >by running them remotely unless the desktop machines are >just too slow. Also, you probably already paid for >the desktop copy of windows and the apps and would have >to buy CALs and a hefty server to run them remotely. >X, on the other hand, has always been location and OS >agnostic and the current free Cygwin version seems pretty >good. I haven't tested it on exactly the same hardware >as an ltsp client but a PII 350 laptop running Win2k/Cygwin >seems fast enough. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is how it works when you connect as "julius" to computer "turtle": on the client issue the following command: ssh -f -C -L 5900:turtle:5900 -l julius turtle /bin/sleep 3600 what it all means: -f - go into background after asking for passphrase, -C - compression on, level determined by ssh.conf, -L - forward local port 5900 to 5900 on host turtle, -l - connect as julius, /bin/sleep - run that on turtle (to make sure that connection doesn't go away - i've run into quirky sshd implementations) now that ssh is running in the background on the client, run the following on the client: vncviewer 127.0.0.1 this will connect you to host turtle, as per -L option. if you don't run vncserver as the service on your server, replace /bin/sleep with vncserver command. good luck, julius From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Mar 16 14:02:32 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:02:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Texas LTSP Demo - eRate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405708F8.9000009@elp.rr.com> In my school in El Paso TX, we have two labs, one for the keyboarding teacher and the other an open use lab that teachers sign up for. We are working on getting AC wiring put into classrom for more. If you contact me off list I will give you the needed contact people in our district and school for making your arrangements. Bye Pat Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 jsiler at varnett.com wrote: > > >>Does anyone in Texas or Louisiana have a 30+ user deployment of LTSP? Our >>technology planning committee would like to see a real world example in >>addition to my proof of concept. >> >> > >Jeff, > I have a small ( <= 20 ) installation in our branch in Houston. >the bigger brother of it lives in headquarters in Linden, NJ and there are >4 more production siblings, 2 more coming, altogether over 100 terminals. >This is commercial,not school environment. julius > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 16 14:09:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:09:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40570313.90207@netscape.net> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40566462.3030206@netscape.net> <1079406672.11791.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40570313.90207@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1079446162.11791.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 07:37, norbert wrote: > 3) VMWare GSX server running on the LTSP, or some other appp server. > Provided that this can be made to work with thin-clients. My attempts > with this have not been successful. > > Bottom line if anyone has experience with any of the above or has been > able to get VMWare GSX server working with multiple clients I'd really > appreciated the input and feedback. > I don't think GSX is intended to provide multiple users with their own console. However you should be able to use it's client console for administration and configure one or more virtual win2k servers running terminal services that clients would access with rdesktop just as they would with a physical server. If you can afford it, VMWare would make the administration of the windows side much easier because you could pretend you had a whole assortment of special-purpose servers. I've had the demo version running but can't remember now whether it was on a Mandrake or k12ltsp server. By the way, for anyone else who hasn't tried VMWare, even the workstation version is sufficient to create virtual machines where you can install and test new versions of Linux or windows without touching your existing setup. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 14:21:20 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:21:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1079446162.11791.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40566462.3030206@netscape.net> <1079406672.11791.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40570313.90207@netscape.net> <1079446162.11791.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <40570D60.5030305@netscape.net> Hi Les, When I tried to run VMWare workstation I could only launch 2 sessions (instances) of another OS from the clients. Have you been able to have multiple sessions on different clients ? HOW ? norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 07:37, norbert wrote: > > >>3) VMWare GSX server running on the LTSP, or some other appp server. >>Provided that this can be made to work with thin-clients. My attempts >>with this have not been successful. >> >>Bottom line if anyone has experience with any of the above or has been >>able to get VMWare GSX server working with multiple clients I'd really >>appreciated the input and feedback. >> >> >> > >I don't think GSX is intended to provide multiple users >with their own console. However you should be able to >use it's client console for administration and configure >one or more virtual win2k servers running terminal services >that clients would access with rdesktop just as they would >with a physical server. 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URL: From julius at turtle.com Tue Mar 16 14:22:22 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:22:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question-hi norbert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Norbert, I've forgotten that there is a very nice writup of vnc over ssh on the real vnc site: http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/sshvnc.html julius From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 16 14:28:27 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:28:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question-hi norbert In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40570F0B.2080704@netscape.net> Thank you :-) julius at turtle.com wrote: >Norbert, > I've forgotten that there is a very nice writup of vnc over ssh on >the real vnc site: >http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/sshvnc.html > >julius > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Tue Mar 16 14:34:09 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:34:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How to diagnose terminal which keeps logging user off? In-Reply-To: <20040316133738.AC5E57383D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello, I have a terminal which acts all nice and pretty until someone starts using it. After a few minutes (undefined) of Internet browsing or word processing the user, without any warning, will find that the terminal will have logged them out and in front of them they will see the k12ltsp login screen (it is as if someone hit ctrl-alt-bksp without them noticing!). Obviously this is an issue, but I don't know how to diagnosis it. Can anyone give me any questions or direction to how I can approach this? Thank you kindly, Joseph From webmaster at vol.org Tue Mar 16 14:49:27 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:49:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to diagnose terminal which keeps logging user off? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079448567.11336.1.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 08:34, joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > I have a terminal which acts all nice and pretty until someone starts > using it. After a few minutes (undefined) of Internet browsing or word > processing the user, without any warning, will find that the terminal will > have logged them out and in front of them they will see the k12ltsp login > screen You may be short of memory on that machine. I have some P200/32MB machines that will do that on certain graphic laden websites. Turning on NFS swap solves the problem. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 16 14:50:58 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:50:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How to diagnose terminal which keeps logging user off? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sure sounds like the terminal is running out of RAM. Try setting USE_NFS_SWAP = Y in the lts.conf file, and see if the problem goes away or changes. The NFS Swap acts as a safety net. Without swap, if the system runs out of memory, the kernel goes on a killing spree. Most of the time, it picks the Xserver to kill, to regain some memory. The Xserver then respawns, and you find yourself sitting at the login screen again. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > Hello, > > I have a terminal which acts all nice and pretty until someone starts > using it. After a few minutes (undefined) of Internet browsing or word > processing the user, without any warning, will find that the terminal will > have logged them out and in front of them they will see the k12ltsp login > screen (it is as if someone hit ctrl-alt-bksp without them noticing!). > Obviously this is an issue, but I don't know how to diagnosis it. Can > anyone give me any questions or direction to how I can approach this? > > Thank you kindly, > Joseph > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue Mar 16 15:34:53 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:34:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Ideal Server for Max users In-Reply-To: <1079308699.787.17.camel@kaneda.home.lan> References: <1079308699.787.17.camel@kaneda.home.lan> Message-ID: <40571E9D.9030607@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Florian Mettetal wrote: > I was wondering what some would recommend for a K12ltsp server? I see > the limitations in my school being both budget and bandwith. > > The primary question I have is, through a gigabit nic what would be the > maximum amount of clients before saturation? > > And for that many clients.. how much RAM? > > My goal is to build a server box that can maintain as many clients as > possible for less than 900$. The biggest debate at the moment is AMD vs. > Intel! Well for that amount of money you can't do too many clients because it's all about the RAM in the server! Next importance is your bandwidth. Gig-e is great because some apps will eat that bandwidth up. BUT first and foremost is the RAM. I have successfully put in a 10 client lab with 1 GB of RAM. Others on the list have put in 24 clients, but with 4 GB of RAM. To put in 4 GB of RAM would spend your entire budget! I just finished installing a LTSP lab with 5 clients and one NEW server & laser printer for $900. The server is AMD Athlon 1500+, 512 Mb RAM, 10/100 NICs (cost me about $400). The laser printer cost another $250. Had to purchase a switch, video card for server, cat5e cable, etc. I think you could do something similar, but put in at least 1 GB RAM, maybe a Gig-e NIC on the server out to the switch (with one Gig-e uplink port). Put in as much RAM as you can afford. Also, think about purchasing NICs with bootROMs on them ... http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/100003.html ... this way you don't need a boot floppy. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 16 15:37:28 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:37:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: <1078772572.3733.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <002e01c40b6c$9985e900$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Eric, I downloaded and installed WBEL with the floppy then did the yum stuff to obtain LTSP and everything went without a hitch (so far). Things are running strong and I have seen no glitches as far as terminal operation. I had problems on this box with LTSP 4.0 but those seem to have gone away with this setup. The only problems I have seen are in relation to the education program package. The Education program group doesn't get added to the menu list, some of the apps seem to be missing (tux math, kstars) and a couple didn't run (tux paint). I am sure these problems can be easily fixed by just reloading the separate apps myself. Or possibly I am looking for them and running them from the wrong place (I am running from /usr/bin). Anyhow the Terminal part works great, machines find it just fine and boot without problems. Also Gcompris always crashed within 30 seconds on me with 4.0 but is very stable now. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:03 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 06:51, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Eric, I have a dual processor box that was flakey with the first > release of Fedora. I would test the new package on it but don't know > where to get it. Let me know where it is and I will try it out. You can download the instructions and packages at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/EL3/ -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-admin at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-admin at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:25 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL > > > > It has been four weeks since I posted K12LTSP 4.0 EL test packages. > > I see quite a few people have downloaded these, but I have yet to > receive feedback. > > I would really love to know people's experiences and opinions. Was it > easy enough to install, did you run into any bugs or annoyances, etc, > etc. I would like to know the good, the bad, and the ugly! > > I don't want to release these packages as "stable" when I don't have > the slightest idea if they are indeed stable or not... > > -Eric > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/2004 From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue Mar 16 15:37:26 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:37:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing to Local Clients In-Reply-To: <405628B1.9070003@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <405628B1.9070003@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <40571F36.1060303@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Michael Elliott wrote: > Thanks for reading my message. > > Would anyone be able to point me in a direction of a HowTo or > instructions to setup a local printer on client machines (physically > connected to the clients)? I have once again tried to search the > archive, but it appears that RedHat has taken that down for the time being. > Thanks in advance, > Mike > I think this one's covered in the WIKI... http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3APrinting Give this a shot. Let us know... -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From satimis at icare.com.hk Wed Mar 17 00:07:31 2004 From: satimis at icare.com.hk (Stephen Liu) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:07:31 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RSYNC Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403170807.31943.satimis@icare.com.hk> - snip - > Stephen, > the "swapserver" scrip is the script you run to swap the servers. > You write it, you put in it all the stuff that is needed to swap the > servers - gateway changes, dns changes, addresses of servers to connect to > for various apps, etc. All the stuff that is necessary for correct > settings for *your* local environment. Then you test it. julius Hi Julius, Thanks for your advice. I am not a programmer having no knowledge on writing program. Kindly advise where can I find some script examples. TIA Stephen > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 16 16:02:30 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:02:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WBEL LTSP Message-ID: <000001c40b70$19236810$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have installed WBEL and LTSP according to Eric's instructions using his boot floppy and yum to obtain all the LTSP packages. Terminals boot and run fine. The education package however seems to be missing 70% of applications and was missing the Education folder in the menu. I did find that if I did another yum update it found and updated menu and added the Education folder. The Tux apps (paint, type, math) are present along with Gcompris, the Gradebook program a couple others. Does anyone know where I should point my yum.conf in order to download the rest of the packages? Right now it only contains the data in the sample config provided by the INSTALL.txt provided in Eric's instructions on his site. Also Tux Paint appears to run great on the server but when run from a terminal it starts, I see a blank black window, then it crashes. Not a big deal right now but a problem. Some minor glitches but definitely more stable than my LTSP 4.0 attempts. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claudio at rednuting.com Tue Mar 16 13:09:08 2004 From: claudio at rednuting.com (Claudio Catanzaro) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:09:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: VNC related question Message-ID: <1079442547.3803.9.camel@NtbCld> I have used this configuration, an I use to use it... It worked since I have tried It, without any special configuration. I make the acces via krdc pointing to port 5000. A relationed question... When I use that, I log with a new session, and when I close the connection, every application that I have used, closes with mi session. How can I access the session that is working in my server at that moment?, or to start a session that will not end when I close my session? I would like to start some application and left it working in the server Claudio Catanzaro claudio at rednuting.com > From: norbert > Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <40564FA9.6010609 at netscape.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi, > > Has anyone setup their lab in this fashion; > > Outside World -> Cable Modem -> Linux Firewall & Gateway -> K12LTSP > and accessed via vnc the client accounts from the outside? > > I know about IP forwarding but it does not seem to work with this > configuration, possibly due to my own ineptitude !! :-D > > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks > norbert -- Claudio Catanzaro RedNut From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Tue Mar 16 16:48:58 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:48:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing to Local Clients Message-ID: <40572FFA.3020900@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Richard, I looked at this information, and modified the files that are in the documentation. However, when I check the status of the printer at the client workstation I have the following message under description: Network host ... is busy, will retry in 30 seconds... Any suggestions? THanks, Mike > >I think this one's covered in the WIKI... > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3APrinting > > Give this a shot. Let us know... From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Mar 16 16:50:35 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:50:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC related question In-Reply-To: <20040316072942.8648D73168@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040316072942.8648D73168@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4057305B.50809@saskforestcentre.ca> With the version of vncviewer in Fedora Core 1, you can also use ssh implicitly in the vncviewer command line. man vncviewer shows you the -via option - which is the ssh machine. I use vncviewer -via office_external_address 127.0.0.1 which gets me the k12LTSP server on the localhost address, port-forwarded through an ssh tunnel. I also use it for a windows box elsewhere in the office. Angus Carr. k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:39:34 -0500 (EST) >From: Julius Szelagiewicz >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] VNC related question >To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the > K12OS Linux distribution." >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, norbert wrote: > > >>Has anyone setup their lab in this fashion; >> >>Outside World -> Cable Modem -> Linux Firewall & Gateway -> K12LTSP >>and accessed via vnc the client accounts from the outside? >> >>I know about IP forwarding but it does not seem to work with this >>configuration, possibly due to my own ineptitude !! :-D >> >>Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> > >Norbert, > this is actually easy: use ssh with port forwarding (option -L) to >forward vnc traffic over port 22. This has the dual benefit of encryption >and compression. julius > > > > > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 18:09:41 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:09:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 10 gigabit ethernet is near! Message-ID: <20040316180941.88556.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> http://news.com.com/2100-1035_3-5173226.html?tag=nefd_lede Wow, and the school I work at is still using a 100bt network. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From jells at landmarkschool.org Tue Mar 16 18:41:51 2004 From: jells at landmarkschool.org (Jonathan Ells) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:41:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount a Netware volume Message-ID: <200403161841.i2GIfpP12768@postman.landmarkschool.org> We are trying out LTSP in our school which currently has a Novell Netware network OS. Does anyone know how to mount a Netware volume (we have one with student home directories) for use by LTSP workstations? Would you kindly share the steps? Thanks, Jon Ells ***************************** Jon Ells Technology Director Landmark School (978) 236-3301 From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Tue Mar 16 18:53:31 2004 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:53:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount a Netware volume In-Reply-To: <200403161841.i2GIfpP12768@postman.landmarkschool.org> Message-ID: Hi Jon, Funny you should ask...I'm building a new server for our high school as we speak and it is being configured to authenticate against their Netware server. This is what I did to the K12LTSP server (v4.0.1) (this is basically an excerpt from Guy Lessard's excellent documentation): >From ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/linux/ncpfs/ download latest ncpfs package. Store in /opt/.pkg Untar then ./configure, make, make install # echo "/usr/local/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf # ldconfig # ipx_configure -p on -i on # echo "/usr/local/bin/ipx_configure -p on -i on" >> /etc/rc.local chmod +s /usr/bin/ncpmount and ncpumount (to run suid for users) All services use /etc/pam.d/system-auth for authentication. Modify that file: #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so nullok use_first_pass ndsserver=SERVER_NAME:ou=OU_NAME -d -L -mMy_Server -u2000,4000,pn,gcds -g2000,4000,pn auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional pam_ncp_auth.so Students can now login to the terminals using their Netware username/password and their Netware home directory appears as the folder called "My_Server" inside of their Linux home directory. Since the ncpfs package is installed, you can also print to Netware queues. See ya! Mike _______________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA > From: "Jonathan Ells" > Reply-To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution." > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:41:51 -0500 > To: > Subject: [K12OSN] How to mount a Netware volume > > We are trying out LTSP in our school which currently has a Novell > Netware network OS. Does anyone know how to mount a Netware volume (we > have one with student home directories) for use by LTSP workstations? > Would you kindly share the steps? > > Thanks, > > Jon Ells > > ***************************** > Jon Ells > Technology Director > Landmark School > (978) 236-3301 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wescott_mike at emc.com Tue Mar 16 18:56:53 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:56:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] acroread failure In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:00:07 EST." <4056D027.70201@snet.net> Message-ID: <200403161856.i2GIurnF024495@strange.us.dg.com> As root edit /usr/bin/acroread (it's a shell script). At the top of the script add a line that says LANG=C mine looks like this: #!/bin/sh # # Work around until Acrobat gets Unicode locale support LANG=C ver=5.06 and so on ... LANG=en_US would probably work just as well. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From qmail2 at chilitech.com Tue Mar 16 19:28:48 2004 From: qmail2 at chilitech.com (Matt) Date: 16 Mar 2004 14:28:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on VNC Message-ID: <1079465327.24393.20.camel@hopper> Hi, What was needed to make VNC run on the different ports.. ie :0 :1 :2, etc and start the session and then kill it when you close the VNC session? I would very much like to set this up on another machine, but haven't had much luck. How do you A) launch VNC on multiple :x interfaces only when someone connects, and B) have it disconnect when they are done.? -- Matt From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Mar 16 19:31:28 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:31:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] acroread failure In-Reply-To: <200403161856.i2GIurnF024495@strange.us.dg.com> References: <200403161856.i2GIurnF024495@strange.us.dg.com> Message-ID: <40575610.5080407@snet.net> Thanks Michael Wescott wrote: > As root edit /usr/bin/acroread (it's a shell script). At the top of the script > add a line that says > > LANG=C > > mine looks like this: > > #!/bin/sh > # > > # Work around until Acrobat gets Unicode locale support > LANG=C > > ver=5.06 > > and so on ... > > LANG=en_US would probably work just as well. > > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Tue Mar 16 19:56:23 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:56:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing to Local Clients Michael Elliott Message-ID: <40575BE7.6040908@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hi All, After reviewing my steps, I checked the lts.conf file and commented out the line of the MAC address: *from example [ws002] # Jammin 125 [00:50:41:01:24:d9] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 # these are zeros PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial I commented out the line and perfomed a test print. Printed out rather quickly. Thanks for the help thus far! Mike From steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 20:52:53 2004 From: steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com (steve hampton) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:52:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Could I PLEASE get two files Message-ID: <20040316205253.79630.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> I have just successfully installed k12ltsp 4.0.1 fedora except for a couple of minor glitches. I saved my old dhcpd.conf and lts.conf files from the old k12ltsp 3.x system. appearently the first mistake I made was to copy the over the files on the new system instead of just using their contents to edit the files that are installed by default. And being the newbie that i am i forgot to backup the originals thinking everything would just work fine. so is their anyone who has original copies of these files /etc/dhcpd.conf and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf that they could email to me as attachments at steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com. If you can thank you so much. slh __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 16 20:54:40 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:54:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Could I PLEASE get two files In-Reply-To: <20040316205253.79630.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, Just run ltspcfg and re-create the files for yourself. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, steve hampton wrote: > I have just successfully installed k12ltsp 4.0.1 > fedora except for a couple of minor glitches. I saved > my old dhcpd.conf and lts.conf files from the old > k12ltsp 3.x system. appearently the first mistake I > made was to copy the over the files on the new system > instead of just using their contents to edit the files > that are installed by default. And being the newbie > that i am i forgot to backup the originals thinking > everything would just work fine. so is their anyone > who has original copies of these files /etc/dhcpd.conf > and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf that they could email > to me as attachments at steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com. > If you can thank you so much. > > slh > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From qmail2 at chilitech.com Tue Mar 16 21:16:42 2004 From: qmail2 at chilitech.com (Matt) Date: 16 Mar 2004 16:16:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Version 4 (Fedora) specs. Message-ID: <1079471801.24393.29.camel@hopper> Hi, I've got dual 450mhz machines with 1/2 a gig of ram in them. Is this enough to support 5 or 6 users running mozilla and open office (occassionally) mostly just mozilla and some java stuff. I'm currently running 7.3 of redhat. -- Matt From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue Mar 16 22:03:25 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:03:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 10 gigabit ethernet is near! In-Reply-To: <20040316180941.88556.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040316180941.88556.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <405779AD.6090900@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Chris Thomas wrote: > http://news.com.com/2100-1035_3-5173226.html?tag=nefd_lede > > Wow, and the school I work at is still using a 100bt network. Mine too. I'm just now looking at putting Gig-e in for my future LTSP labs. Maybe upgrading to Gig-e from the existing LTSP servers to their switches. Then upgrading the switches to have one Gig-e uplink port. The good news for me is that (maybe) Gig-e prices will come down more! I'm sure 10Gig-e is out of the question for me. -- =========================================================== Richard K. Ingalls Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" =========================================================== From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Mar 16 22:52:11 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:52:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP Message-ID: <031620042252.23290.5db4@comcast.net> Norbert, > Bottom line if anyone has experience with any of the above The rdesktop solution connecting to a Windows Terminal server is exactly the solution NCS is currently using. It works well, except for sound. It does allow NCS staff to interact with the state which is rather MS-centric at present (and some web-based applications will only work with IE). Also, it allows for other MS-only applications to be used. Overall, it has worked well and will continue to be used, but ... caveats (issues I have had this year): 1) Teachers and staff aren't always comfortable with the thin clients because of perceived inability to save data to a floppy or USB flash. Mtools works, but is just different enough to make things interesting, especially since I do not know any good way to save to a local floppy from an rdesktop session. 2) Some packages that teachers want (Accelerated Reader/Math) don't work in this setup because of software and/or hardware issues. Others can behave a little flaky (WinSchool Egrades), not a show stopper, but ... different. 3) Users tend to forget that they are actually running on the server (which is good) and think that they should have access to all the hardware on the thin client (like cdrom, local disk, plug-in USB camera, etc) and just have it work like their PC at home. Many can be made to work, just not quite transparent yet. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From tim at litwiller.net Tue Mar 16 23:14:33 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:14:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: please keep your to: and reply-to line manageable - mozilla Message-ID: <40578A59.8060100@litwiller.net> In mozilla mail the to: line forces the window to resize if it is extremely long and this is the only mailing list where I have seen long to lines there are some using: To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." Reply-To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." If you could please shorten those down to half that length or less we that us using mozilla would appreciate it. Thanks. Tim Litwiller From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue Mar 16 23:30:29 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:30:29 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: please keep your to: and reply-to line manageable - mozilla Message-ID: Tim Litwiller wrote: >> In mozilla mail the to: line forces the window to resize if it is extremely long and this is the only mailing list where I have seen long to lines << I noticed that myself this week, when I stopped receiving mail from the list and then was automatically unsubscribed. I was seeing things like this in my mail server (Lotus Domino) logs: 13/03/2004 10:36:39 AM SMTP Server: hormel.redhat.com (66.187.233.30) connected 13/03/2004 10:36:40 AM SMTP Server: Message 0081B34B received 13/03/2004 10:36:40 AM SMTP Server: hormel.redhat.com (66.187.233.30) disconnected. 1 message[s] received 13/03/2004 10:36:41 AM Router: Unable to deliver message 0081B34B to lesbell from k12osn-admin at redhat.com 13/03/2004 10:36:41 AM Cannot store document; database has too many unique field names. Please ask your administrator to compact the database. 13/03/2004 10:36:50 AM Router: Transferring mail to domain REDHAT.COM (host mx1.REDHAT.COM [66.187.233.31]) via SMTP 13/03/2004 10:36:53 AM Router: Transferred 1 messages to REDHAT.COM (host mx1.REDHAT.COM) via SMTP 13/03/2004 10:36:56 AM Router: Message 0081B57D transferred to mx1.REDHAT.COM for k12osn-admin at redhat.com via SMTP After long investigation, I discovered that the sheer number and size of the headers (hence the reference to "unique fields") on email from this list was overflowing a thing called the UNK table in my mail database. Along the way, I found that the size of the headers on list mail from hormel.redhat.com is often - in fact, usually - larger than the body of the email. I guess it complies with all the relevant emails, but man! - it's just plain *rude*! Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 00:06:08 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:06:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Version 4 (Fedora) specs. In-Reply-To: <1079471801.24393.29.camel@hopper> Message-ID: <20040317000608.6041.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> I haven't tried the fedora based k12ltsp on a low end server but the first production k12ltsp box I had had a duron 900 and 512mb ram and it was able to support 10-12 ws at a time. It had a problem where it never used the swap partition (like it was turned off or something). I bet I could of supported more if swap was working correctly. My experiance has been that the processor makes a big diffrence when starting workstations and starting programs. This is when the cpu hits 100%. When the kids are in the program proc useage drops a lot in most cases. --- Matt wrote: > Hi, > I've got dual 450mhz machines with 1/2 a gig of ram > in them. > Is this enough to support 5 or 6 users running > mozilla and open office > (occassionally) mostly just mozilla and some java > stuff. > I'm currently running 7.3 of redhat. > > -- > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From dgough at papcs.com Wed Mar 17 00:11:27 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:11:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PXES and K12LTSP Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B76@xms.papcs.com> Has anyone used the PXES thin client with K12LTSP? If so, have installed the PXES config program and had it work for you? Doug Gough From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 00:12:10 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 10 gigabit ethernet is near! In-Reply-To: <405779AD.6090900@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <20040317001210.6304.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> I'm hoping for a big price drop in gig-e items too. The off brand NICs are inexpensive now but the switches still cost a lot of money for a cash strapped school like mine. The cheapest unmanaged 24port 100bt + 2gig-e port switch was about $180. --- "Richard K. Ingalls" wrote: > Chris Thomas wrote: > > > > http://news.com.com/2100-1035_3-5173226.html?tag=nefd_lede > > > > Wow, and the school I work at is still using a > 100bt network. > > Mine too. I'm just now looking at putting Gig-e in > for my future LTSP > labs. Maybe upgrading to Gig-e from the existing > LTSP servers to > their switches. Then upgrading the switches to have > one Gig-e uplink > port. > > The good news for me is that (maybe) Gig-e prices > will come down more! > I'm sure 10Gig-e is out of the question for me. > > > -- > =========================================================== > Richard K. Ingalls > Director of Information Technology > Glenwood R-8 School District > West Plains, MO > > email..ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us > web....glenwood.k12.mo.us > ph.....417.256.4849 > fax....417.257.2567 > > "Glenwood R-8: home of the mustangs!" > =========================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 17 00:18:03 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:18:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Request for feedback: K12LTSP EL In-Reply-To: <002e01c40b6c$9985e900$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <1078772572.3733.12.camel@server.ltsp> <002e01c40b6c$9985e900$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1113.66.138.175.87.1079482683.squirrel@66.138.175.87> As a follow up, Eric's EL stuff worked like a charm for me as well. My hitches seem to lie within something that has changed with ltsp 4 in general. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Mar 17 00:27:29 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:27:29 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: please keep your to: and reply-to line manageable - mozilla Message-ID: "Les Bell" wrote: >> I guess it complies with all the relevant emails, but man! - it's just plain *rude*! << That should, of course, have been "complies with all the relevant RFC's". . From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 17 00:30:27 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:30:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <40570D60.5030305@netscape.net> References: <4053E128.8080001@netscape.net> <4053EEEC.20006@cmosnetworks.com> <40548C44.7050903@netscape.net> <40550B1F.5010201@cmosnetworks.com> <40551D4C.1070103@netscape.net> <1079374225.10430.35.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <40566462.3030206@netscape.net> <1079406672.11791.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40570313.90207@netscape.net> <1079446162.11791.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <40570D60.5030305@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1079483427.2382.150.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 08:21, norbert wrote: > Hi Les, > > When I tried to run VMWare workstation I could only launch 2 sessions > (instances) of another OS from the clients. Have you been able to have > multiple sessions on different clients ? HOW ? > If you are thinking of running an instance of VMware per user, I don't think that makes sense and it wouldn't be possible unless you could run it as a local app on the desktop - and it puts you right back to where you would be running windows locally. It also doesn't make much sense to run a virtual windows machine for each user under a single instance of vmware because you don't get any shared memory or resources that way. You should, however, be able to run one or two instances of windows servers under VMWare on the k12ltsp server configured just like they were real servers with terminal services set up for connections via rdesktop. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Mar 17 02:14:37 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:14:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <031620042252.23290.5db4@comcast.net> References: <031620042252.23290.5db4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4057B48D.2050804@netscape.net> Hi Dave, Thanks for the "testimonial" :-) . If I may, to address the floppy issue what we have done is mounted & shared the Linux home directory in Windows. So when the user saves a file it's actually in their linux directory and they can then use mtools to save the file locally on the floppy. We've done this for each user mounting the appropriate directory to the Win login account. norbert dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >Norbert, > > > >>Bottom line if anyone has experience with any of the above >> >> > >The rdesktop solution connecting to a Windows Terminal server is exactly the solution NCS is currently using. It works well, except for sound. It does allow NCS staff to interact with the state which is rather MS-centric at present (and some web-based applications will only work with IE). Also, it allows for other MS-only applications to be used. Overall, it has worked well and will continue to be used, but ... caveats (issues I have had this year): > >1) Teachers and staff aren't always comfortable with the thin clients because of perceived inability to save data to a floppy or USB flash. Mtools works, but is just different enough to make things interesting, especially since I do not know any good way to save to a local floppy from an rdesktop session. >2) Some packages that teachers want (Accelerated Reader/Math) don't work in this setup because of software and/or hardware issues. Others can behave a little flaky (WinSchool Egrades), not a show stopper, but ... different. >3) Users tend to forget that they are actually running on the server (which is good) and think that they should have access to all the hardware on the thin client (like cdrom, local disk, plug-in USB camera, etc) and just have it work like their PC at home. Many can be made to work, just not quite transparent yet. > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins >Newark Charter School >Newark Delaware > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 17 03:38:37 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:38:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Openmosix users? In-Reply-To: <4056F7E8.6050707@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, norbert wrote: >Hi Eric, > >I would love to see OM incorporated into the K12LTSP & actually what >would be more attractive, with the availability of fast thin clients, is >to have a Knoppix type clustering available> This would really make >great use of the additional computing "power" of the thin clients. > >Again any help I can contribute. > >norbert Obviously I didn't finish last night ;-) Other issues came up and I'm just now getting back to it. I have a working config, but have not had enough sleep to be able to QA it properly! I'll post what I have tomorrow night. Thanks Norbert! -Eric >eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > >>On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, norbert wrote: >> >>>Hi Eric, >>> >>>OK what would you like to know ? I've run probably every imaginable >>>configuration with clusters, how can I help ? >>> >>>norbert >>> >>Execellent! >> >>If I post the work I've done so far, would you be willing to >>critique it? I'm pretty close to having something usable, maybe >>will have something worth showing by the end of the night. >> >>My main goal is to see if this technology can be deployed in such >>a way that it would be useful for the average K12LTSP user. By >>that I mean they would install the packages, maybe make a single >>change to the lts.conf file, and it "just works". >> >>The second half of the work I'm doing is making it easy (or at >>least easier) to keep LTSP clients in sync with the openmosix >>releases. It has been a LONG TIME since I've updated my openmosix >>packages, the process is too much of a pain. >> >>So if you add the two up, I'd like to see an easy-to-use default >>configuration that would also be a decent base for more complicated >>configurations. >> >>-Eric >> >> >> >>>eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Today I started work on building new openmosix packages. >>>> >>>>A few people have mentioned that they are using openmosix in a K12LTSP >>>>environment with great results. >>>> >>>>If you are using K12LTSP+openmosix, would you be so kind as to post >>>>your experiences? I'm interested in knowing your configuration, i.e. >>>>are you using oMFS and if so how are you syncing uids, what is your >>>>hardware - just clustering servers, or throwing clients into the mix? >>>> >>>>-Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 17 03:50:15 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:50:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Question on VNC In-Reply-To: <1079465327.24393.20.camel@hopper> Message-ID: On 16 Mar 2004, Matt wrote: >Hi, >What was needed to make VNC run on the different ports.. ie :0 :1 :2, >etc and start the session and then kill it when you close the VNC >session? I would very much like to set this up on another machine, but >haven't had much luck. >How do you >A) launch VNC on multiple :x interfaces only when someone connects, and >B) have it disconnect when they are done.? I K12LTSP, this is all contained in the vnc-ltsp-config package. The RPM should install on any RPM-based system that uses xinetd. This RPM adds a few entries to the end of /etc/services and the file /etc/xinetd.d/vnc You can manually copy these over to any system that uses xinetd, or easily port it over to one that supports the older inetd. -Eric From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Mar 17 06:14:29 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:14:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] mini distro for X -query In-Reply-To: <40568AB7.4000408@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <4054D743.5070508@online.no> <20040315170010.GD18403@wizzy.com> <40568AB7.4000408@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <20040317061429.GR18403@wizzy.com> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Andy Rabagliati wrote: > >I have heard that knoppix is making major strides in this direction ? > > > >PXE-bootable system that does knoppix-style hardware detection on the > >client ? > > > >Not as thin as a thin client, probably needs more RAM, but has local Apps. > > > >Not used it myself, but if anyone can do it, they can. > > > >Cheers, Andy! > > I've used it. It's just about the other way round from a LTSP network. > You need a week server, but with fast drives. More than one client from > a CD-ROM doesn't work well. And you need strong clients. 32MB RAM simply > won't work. I'd recommend at least 128MB. In the end, it's just normal > Linux booted off an NFS share. It does work nice, and you do save money > for not using hard disks. It's a good solution if you have a bit more > money or stronger hardware, IMO. knoppix allows you to do a hard disk install these days, so you are not limited by a CDROM. You can also do "knoppix 2" to get to text mode, and then "X -query server" to make it thinner. ALT-consoles still available, and a full toolset on the client. Perhaps easier to do things like sound, CDROM, floppy, USB, all that stuff. There are scripts that control the boot - by default it mounts that monster KNOPPIX file as cloop, but you can unpack KNOPPIX and add stuff like nvidia drivers. There are discussions on the knoppix forums how to do this. Disclaimer - still have not done it myself, but am looking over the shoulder of someone who is trying it out. Will keep you posted. Cheers, Andy! From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 17 07:04:58 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:04:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eric-vnc as ltsp lab monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04031702041601.01850@newguy> i have c(with help of #ltsp) compiled vnc within the lbe and launched vnc via xinetd on server and bastardized rdesktop to have teminals running vncserver. obviously i get gray screen cause there is no display on :1 and :0 is not accessible via vnc. now trying to initiate a session on terminals via vncviewer so main display of a terminal can be accessed from the server without much success.. Any suggestions how to keep track of vnc sessions or is this really hairbrained?? chuck From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Mar 17 12:06:29 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:06:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTS.CONF Intel Video Configuration Help Message-ID: Help me before I hang myself! I created a boot floppy for a Dell optiplex GX260 (AMEN Rom-o-matix). Anyway, THe boot floppy works great, when it gets to the video I get the following error: ERROR: Auto probe of the video card failed! You need to specify the proper X Server in lts.conf. I went to LTS.CONF and there doesn't seem to be any default setting for The Intel 82845G video card. It is an on board card. Any ideas on what to do? Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Wed Mar 17 12:33:04 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: 17 Mar 2004 12:33:04 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.12 Yum Message-ID: <1079526784.29452.4.camel@mercury> Hi, I have a K12LTSP3.12 Server. Can I update the yum.conf file and update to the new fedora packages ? Are there any known issues with doing this ? Thanks Martin Stevens From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Mar 17 13:05:22 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:05:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] UPDATE Intel Video Configuration Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, Update on myself! I found the i830 driver on the system and put a copy in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri I tried to boot the client and got the same error. Is there a config file I should be looking at? Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Mar 17 13:11:00 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:11:00 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP Message-ID: <031720041311.12910.52d4@comcast.net> Norbert, > Thanks for the "testimonial" :-) . It did come across that way. >If I may, to address the floppy issue what we have done is mounted & shared >the Linux home directory in Windows. So when the user saves a file it's >actually in their linux directory and they can then use mtools to save the >file locally on the floppy. >We've done this for each user mounting the appropriate directory to the Win >login account. Which is how I also have it implemented (But didn't say so in the testimonial :) However, trying to get the concept across that when you save the file, it is actually being saved in your HOME directory is somewhat foreign to users that think in term of the "My Documents" folder. I have also mapped the Linux /home/user as a mapped drive, but getting the users to actually change the default location from "My Documents" to use the share is also a foreign concept. I held a training session to show exactly the process you describe, but ... in the words of one teacher: "It isn't straightforward. Why should I have to leave the Windows session just to save a file to floppy." This simple issue makes Linux look "inferior" to MS because it is different and requires (from their viewpoint) an extra step. Users do not want to have to keep track of what system they are connected to, etc. They just want to take a file and "copy" it somewhere. (It is hard enough to just get the concept ! of logging off across, as opposed to just clicking on the X to kill the window/app/redesktop session/whatever) OT: The solution I want to implement is a groupware portal solution so they can use a web browser (from home) to access any files. Then this whole floppy/usb/"where is my data" issue may just go away. Unfortunately, there a bunch of security concerns that have to be addressed before DOE will let this happen. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 17 13:14:49 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:14:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PXES and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B76@xms.papcs.com> References: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B76@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <20040317081449.78c9ff98.spowers@inlandlakes.org> "Doug Gough" wrote: > Has anyone used the PXES thin client with K12LTSP? If so, have > installed the PXES config program and had it work for you? I haven't had time to troubleshoot -- but it didn't work for me "out of the box" either. (I'm assuming you're having problems). It looks SO incredible, that I really want to give it a fair shake, but I just haven't had the time. I know this email didnt' help you at all, but at least you're not alone. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Mar 17 13:15:36 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:15:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 3.12 Yum In-Reply-To: <1079526784.29452.4.camel@mercury> References: <1079526784.29452.4.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <20040317131536.GU18403@wizzy.com> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Martin Stevens wrote: > Hi, > > I have a K12LTSP3.12 Server. > > Can I update the yum.conf file and update to the new fedora packages ? > > Are there any known issues with doing this ? I have upgraded other systems, but not K12LTSP, using yum. Sometimes I have to do it in pieces. Try just plain 'yum upgrade" to start with. Maybe it works ! If it does not, check the conflicts - "yum remove" them, noting them for re-addition later. Sometimes it is quicker to "yum update " in the beginning, as it can take a /long/ time to resolve dependencies, like, perhaps, "yum upgrade XFree86". This is another very nice repository, especially if you want mplayer or other packages :- #[at-testing] #name=ATrpms for Fedora Core 1 testing #baseurl=http://apt.physik.fu-berlin.de/fedora/1/en/i386/at-testing Use at your own risk .. Cheers, Andy! From andyr at wizzy.com Wed Mar 17 13:18:22 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:18:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTS.CONF Intel Video Configuration Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040317131822.GV18403@wizzy.com> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Joe Faletra wrote: > Help me before I hang myself! > > I created a boot floppy for a Dell optiplex GX260 (AMEN Rom-o-matix). > Anyway, THe boot floppy works great, when it gets to the video I get > the following error: > > ERROR: Auto probe of the video card failed! You need to specify the > proper X Server in lts.conf. > > I went to LTS.CONF and there doesn't seem to be any default setting for > The Intel 82845G video card. It is an on board card. > > Any ideas on what to do? Use the VESA driver ? try "lspci", "lspci -n" and see if there is anything close in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/vidlist ? Cheers, Andy! From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Mar 17 13:33:22 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:33:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTS.CONF Intel Video Configuration Help In-Reply-To: <20040317131822.GV18403@wizzy.com> References: <20040317131822.GV18403@wizzy.com> Message-ID: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Joe Faletra wrote: > >> Help me before I hang myself! >> >> I created a boot floppy for a Dell optiplex GX260 (AMEN >Rom-o-matix). >> Anyway, THe boot floppy works great, when it gets to the video I get >> the following error: >> >> ERROR: Auto probe of the video card failed! You need to specify the >> proper X Server in lts.conf. >> >> I went to LTS.CONF and there doesn't seem to be any default setting >for >> The Intel 82845G video card. It is an on board card. >> >> Any ideas on what to do? > >Use the VESA driver ? > >try "lspci", "lspci -n" and see if there is anything close in > >/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/vidlist ? > >Cheers, Andy! Andy, Being a linux NEWBIE I am not totally sure what you mean. Do you mean try modifying lts.conf XSERVER = lspci Joe > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 17 13:35:36 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:35:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] UPDATE Intel Video Configuration Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe, To actually use the i830 driver, you need to add a line to lts.conf: XSERVER = i830 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Joe Faletra wrote: > Ok, Update on myself! > > I found the i830 driver on the system and put a copy in > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri > > I tried to boot the client and got the same error. Is there a config > file I should be looking at? > > Joe > > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 17 13:38:36 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:38:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTS.CONF Intel Video Configuration Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe, Please fix your address book so that your entry for the k12osn at redhat.com doesn't have such a long name. This causes problems for lots of people's mail clients. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Joe Faletra wrote: > "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution." writes: > >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Joe Faletra wrote: > > > >> Help me before I hang myself! > >> > >> I created a boot floppy for a Dell optiplex GX260 (AMEN > >Rom-o-matix). > >> Anyway, THe boot floppy works great, when it gets to the video I get > >> the following error: > >> > >> ERROR: Auto probe of the video card failed! You need to specify the > >> proper X Server in lts.conf. > >> > >> I went to LTS.CONF and there doesn't seem to be any default setting > >for > >> The Intel 82845G video card. It is an on board card. > >> > >> Any ideas on what to do? > > > >Use the VESA driver ? > > > >try "lspci", "lspci -n" and see if there is anything close in > > > >/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/vidlist ? > > > >Cheers, Andy! > > Andy, > > Being a linux NEWBIE I am not totally sure what you mean. Do you mean > try modifying lts.conf > > XSERVER = lspci > > Joe > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > Joe Faletra > School Administrative Unit 16 > Districts Manager for Technology Support Services > T: 603-775-8576 > F: 603-775-8487 > http://www.sau16.org > > > > > DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE > INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential > and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. > If you have received this communication in error, please call us > immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the > communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail > that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail > may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or > contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as > a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is > required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Mar 17 13:52:56 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:52:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTS.CONF Intel Video Configuration Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I made the following change to lts.conf and it worked: XSERVER = i810 My question now is, why did it not choose that driver during the auto probe? I am guessing now that any system with this particular card will have to be entered into the .conf manually. Is that correct? Joe From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Mar 17 14:15:47 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:15:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Freedom 9 PXE Message-ID: I recently attended a training session help by David Trask (nice Job Dave) He had a Freedom 9 system that he plugged in and it booted PXE. I purchased 1 to try. I modified the BIOS to boot from Lan. What do I have to do on the server? The docs at k12ltsp.org don't make it very clear. This has been a great experience so far. We are going to try to go full Linux (with the exception of our FirstClass E-mail server) in all 10 schools! Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jfaletra at sau16.org Wed Mar 17 14:22:10 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:22:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NEVERMIND! Re: Freedom 9 PXE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It helps when you make ALL of the appropriate changes in the BIOS. Where did I put my coffee. Joe "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >I recently attended a training session help by David Trask (nice Job >Dave) > >He had a Freedom 9 system that he plugged in and it booted PXE. > >I purchased 1 to try. I modified the BIOS to boot from Lan. What do I >have to do on the server? The docs at k12ltsp.org don't make it very >clear. > >This has been a great experience so far. We are going to try to go >full Linux (with the exception of our FirstClass E-mail server) in all >10 schools! > > >Joe Faletra >School Administrative Unit 16 >Districts Manager for Technology Support Services >T: 603-775-8576 >F: 603-775-8487 >http://www.sau16.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at 603-775-8680 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also please immediately notify the sender via e-mail that you have received the communication in error. Please note e-mail may be corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, be incomplete or contain viruses. The sender does not accept liability which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification of this message is required, please request a hard copy version at 603-775-8680. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 17 14:53:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:53:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring PXE Booting Message-ID: <006801c40c2f$9f59df80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have just recieved my fancy new Term150's. The instructions are pretty straight forward but I seem to not have the files needed. It references to use /lts/kernelinfo/pxelinux.0 and I cannot find these files. Where should I be looking (I have just loaded WBEL with Eric's LTSP info)? Can I yum a new set of PXE files? I have to admit I am somewhat bummed, the site said out-of-the-box ready, but I have to modify the dhcpd.conf to work with them, and now the instructions vary from what I actually have. Of course maybe it is my fault for not running the standard LTSP package. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 17 15:34:30 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:34:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring PXE Booting In-Reply-To: <006801c40c2f$9f59df80$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, With K12LTSP, the T-150's really do work right out of the box. You shouldn't have to change anything. We test all the T-150's with k12ltsp-4, and they work great. Those instructions are more for straight ltsp. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have just recieved my fancy new Term150's. The instructions are > pretty straight forward but I seem to not have the files needed. It > references to use /lts/kernelinfo/pxelinux.0 and I cannot find these > files. Where should I be looking (I have just loaded WBEL with Eric's > LTSP info)? Can I yum a new set of PXE files? > > I have to admit I am somewhat bummed, the site said out-of-the-box > ready, but I have to modify the dhcpd.conf to work with them, and now > the instructions vary from what I actually have. > > Of course maybe it is my fault for not running the standard LTSP > package. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/2004 > > From smithco1 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 15:35:01 2004 From: smithco1 at hotmail.com (Timothy Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:35:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP References: <20040317131114.BF5B2735EB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Dave, I'm not a sys admin by any means, but I was thinking that there might be an easy solution to your problem... Why not change the "My Documents" icon on user's the desktop to a script or link that opens up the user's HOME directory. You could change the icon to look like the "My Documents" icon and perhaps name it "Your Documents" (since they don't actually own the machine...:-)). If any passwords that are needed, then you could go with the script idea and save the passwords in the registry and simply reference them as global variables in your script. The latter helping keep security in place while making the connection seamless. Not sure if it would help in your circumstance since it seems you were already on the same track. Just a little trick I use in M$ based web development. Good luck, Tim > Norbert, > > > Thanks for the "testimonial" :-) . > > It did come across that way. > > >If I may, to address the floppy issue what we have done is mounted & shared >the Linux home directory in Windows. So when the user saves a file it's >actually in their linux directory and they can then use mtools to save the >file locally on the floppy. > >We've done this for each user mounting the appropriate directory to the Win >login account. > > Which is how I also have it implemented (But didn't say so in the testimonial :) However, trying to get the concept across that when you save the file, it is actually being saved in your HOME directory is somewhat foreign to users that think in term of the "My Documents" folder. I have also mapped the Linux /home/user as a mapped drive, but getting the users to actually change the default location from "My Documents" to use the share is also a foreign concept. I held a training session to show exactly the process you describe, but ... in the words of one teacher: "It isn't straightforward. Why should I have to leave the Windows session just to save a file to floppy." This simple issue makes Linux look "inferior" to MS because it is different and requires (from their viewpoint) an extra step. Users do not want to have to keep track of what system they are connected to, etc. They just want to take a file and "copy" it somewhere. (It is hard enough to just get the concept ! > of logging off across, as opposed to just clicking on the X to kill the window/app/redesktop session/whatever) > > OT: The solution I want to implement is a groupware portal solution so they can use a web browser (from home) to access any files. Then this whole floppy/usb/"where is my data" issue may just go away. Unfortunately, there a bunch of security concerns that have to be addressed before DOE will let this happen. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 17 15:38:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:38:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring PXE Booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007301c40c35$e71a5880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Okay I'll give it a try. I'll let you know if for some reason it doesn't work. This may actually give me an argument for why I usually don't read directions :-) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jam at mcquil.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:35 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Configuring PXE Booting Jim, With K12LTSP, the T-150's really do work right out of the box. You shouldn't have to change anything. We test all the T-150's with k12ltsp-4, and they work great. Those instructions are more for straight ltsp. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I have just recieved my fancy new Term150's. The instructions are > pretty straight forward but I seem to not have the files needed. It > references to use /lts/kernelinfo/pxelinux.0 and I cannot find these > files. Where should I be looking (I have just loaded WBEL with Eric's > LTSP info)? Can I yum a new set of PXE files? > > I have to admit I am somewhat bummed, the site said out-of-the-box > ready, but I have to modify the dhcpd.conf to work with them, and now > the instructions vary from what I actually have. > > Of course maybe it is my fault for not running the standard LTSP > package. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/2004 > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/2004 From LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us Wed Mar 17 16:27:54 2004 From: LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us (Larry Mateo) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:27:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software Message-ID: I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, would be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school grades in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the software. Here's their web page: http://www.inspiration.com Larry Mateo Network Technician II Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Mar 17 16:57:08 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:57:08 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP Message-ID: <031720041657.19209.6110@comcast.net> erg! I have started a conversation that wasn't intended. ;) But ... I hadn't thought of this twist. Has possibilities, although not sure how it plays in a roaming profile setup (is there a chance for recursion if "My Documents" is located/points to somewhere outside the profile directory of a roaming profile?) Not exactly seeking and answer, just thinking out loud. Thanks, Dave Hopkins > Dave, > I'm not a sys admin by any means, but I was thinking that there might be an > easy solution to your problem... > Why not change the "My Documents" icon on user's the desktop to a script or > link that opens up the user's HOME directory. You could change the icon to > look like the "My Documents" icon and perhaps name it "Your Documents" > (since they don't actually own the machine...:-)). > If any passwords that are needed, then you could go with the script idea and > save the passwords in the registry and simply reference them as global > variables in your script. The latter helping keep security in place while > making the connection seamless. > Not sure if it would help in your circumstance since it seems you were > already on the same track. > Just a little trick I use in M$ based web development. > > Good luck, > Tim > > > > Norbert, > > > > > Thanks for the "testimonial" :-) . > > > > It did come across that way. > > > > >If I may, to address the floppy issue what we have done is mounted & > shared >the Linux home directory in Windows. So when the user saves a file > it's >actually in their linux directory and they can then use mtools to save > the >file locally on the floppy. > > >We've done this for each user mounting the appropriate directory to the > Win >login account. > > > > Which is how I also have it implemented (But didn't say so in the > testimonial :) However, trying to get the concept across that when you save > the file, it is actually being saved in your HOME directory is somewhat > foreign to users that think in term of the "My Documents" folder. I have > also mapped the Linux /home/user as a mapped drive, but getting the users to > actually change the default location from "My Documents" to use the share is > also a foreign concept. I held a training session to show exactly the > process you describe, but ... in the words of one teacher: "It isn't > straightforward. Why should I have to leave the Windows session just to > save a file to floppy." This simple issue makes Linux look "inferior" to MS > because it is different and requires (from their viewpoint) an extra step. > Users do not want to have to keep track of what system they are connected > to, etc. They just want to take a file and "copy" it somewhere. (It is hard > enough to just get the concept ! > > of logging off across, as opposed to just clicking on the X to kill the > window/app/redesktop session/whatever) > > > > OT: The solution I want to implement is a groupware portal solution so > they can use a web browser (from home) to access any files. Then this whole > floppy/usb/"where is my data" issue may just go away. Unfortunately, there > a bunch of security concerns that have to be addressed before DOE will let > this happen. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > Newark Charter School > > Newark Delaware > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 17 17:26:35 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:26:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Freedom 9 PXE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joe! Hey....you don't need to enable LAN boot....in fact, don't. Mine is set for CD-ROM as the first boot device.....(since there's no CD-ROM....) Using PXE the machine should automatically see the server and boot up.....unless there's an issue with the server. Is the server PXE capable? Can anyone else chime in on the PXE issue? The Freedom 9 machine he's talking about is an Amer.com thin client with the VIA mobo and chipset....works fine and I use it with K12LTSP 3.12 (and 4.01)...worked out of the box, but I also have a beefy PXE capable server. "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >I recently attended a training session help by David Trask (nice Job >Dave) > >He had a Freedom 9 system that he plugged in and it booted PXE. > >I purchased 1 to try. I modified the BIOS to boot from Lan. What do I >have to do on the server? The docs at k12ltsp.org don't make it very >clear. > >This has been a great experience so far. We are going to try to go >full Linux (with the exception of our FirstClass E-mail server) in all >10 schools! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dgough at papcs.com Wed Mar 17 17:29:32 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:29:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PXES and K12LTSP Message-ID: <48D65FDA2ECC48449524A541171C3FD0635B7A@xms.papcs.com> I'm going to spend some time on it and see what happens. I mostly need it for connection to a Win2003 terminal server, but I'm going to try it with K12LTSP as well. I'll post my results, if anyone is interested. Doug > > "Doug Gough" wrote: > > Has anyone used the PXES thin client with K12LTSP? If so, have > > installed the PXES config program and had it work for you? > > I know this email didnt' help you at all, but at least you're > not alone. :) > > -Shawn From haysja at sages.us Wed Mar 17 18:02:59 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:02:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405892D3.7000507@sages.us> I, too, am looking for an Inspiration "clone". The closest that I have found is FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/). The core is definitely there and it does seem to be powerful enough, but I am sure that our teachers will find something wrong with it because it is not Inspiration. It does look a bit too hard to use for grade school students, but, if a good enough template were created, I am sure that it could be used at the grade school level. Larry Mateo wrote: >I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, would be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school grades in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the software. > >Here's their web page: >http://www.inspiration.com > > > >Larry Mateo >Network Technician II >Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From webmaster at vol.org Wed Mar 17 18:15:31 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:15:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <405892D3.7000507@sages.us> References: <405892D3.7000507@sages.us> Message-ID: <1079547331.27223.70.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 12:02, Jim Hays wrote: > The core is definitely there and it does seem to be powerful enough, > but I am sure that our teachers will find something wrong with it > because it is not Inspiration. grrrr! -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From smithco1 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 18:09:08 2004 From: smithco1 at hotmail.com (Timothy Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:09:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP References: <20040317170018.B86BB74155@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Again since I don't have real world admin experience this may be way off base... Couldn't the HOME location be a variable in the roaming profile? I know I've seen something similar to this in large office environments (windows/novel based) where the user's mapped drives would follow the user around the office to whatever machine they were logging on to. I can imagine a script that runs on startup which would go ahead and connect the user to mapped location x, y and z on login. Said "Your Documents" folder would just be an extension of that functionality. This would of course be only possible if the roaming profile could hold information like that... somehow... :-o I know, I know... It's all just theory without any facts. Sorry. Think I just emptied my purse on that last $.02 worth. Regards, Tim > erg! I have started a conversation that wasn't intended. ;) > > But ... I hadn't thought of this twist. Has possibilities, although not sure how it plays in a roaming profile setup (is there a chance for recursion if "My Documents" is located/points to somewhere outside the profile directory of a roaming profile?) Not exactly seeking and answer, just thinking out loud. > > Thanks, > Dave Hopkins > > > Dave, > > I'm not a sys admin by any means, but I was thinking that there might be an > > easy solution to your problem... > > Why not change the "My Documents" icon on user's the desktop to a script or > > link that opens up the user's HOME directory. You could change the icon to > > look like the "My Documents" icon and perhaps name it "Your Documents" > > (since they don't actually own the machine...:-)). > > If any passwords that are needed, then you could go with the script idea and > > save the passwords in the registry and simply reference them as global > > variables in your script. The latter helping keep security in place while > > making the connection seamless. > > Not sure if it would help in your circumstance since it seems you were > > already on the same track. > > Just a little trick I use in M$ based web development. > > > > Good luck, > > Tim > > > > > > > Norbert, > > > > > > > Thanks for the "testimonial" :-) . > > > > > > It did come across that way. > > > > > > >If I may, to address the floppy issue what we have done is mounted & > > shared >the Linux home directory in Windows. So when the user saves a file > > it's >actually in their linux directory and they can then use mtools to save > > the >file locally on the floppy. > > > >We've done this for each user mounting the appropriate directory to the > > Win >login account. > > > > > > Which is how I also have it implemented (But didn't say so in the > > testimonial :) However, trying to get the concept across that when you save > > the file, it is actually being saved in your HOME directory is somewhat > > foreign to users that think in term of the "My Documents" folder. I have > > also mapped the Linux /home/user as a mapped drive, but getting the users to > > actually change the default location from "My Documents" to use the share is > > also a foreign concept. I held a training session to show exactly the > > process you describe, but ... in the words of one teacher: "It isn't > > straightforward. Why should I have to leave the Windows session just to > > save a file to floppy." This simple issue makes Linux look "inferior" to MS > > because it is different and requires (from their viewpoint) an extra step. > > Users do not want to have to keep track of what system they are connected > > to, etc. They just want to take a file and "copy" it somewhere. (It is hard > > enough to just get the concept ! > > > of logging off across, as opposed to just clicking on the X to kill the > > window/app/redesktop session/whatever) > > > > > > OT: The solution I want to implement is a groupware portal solution so > > they can use a web browser (from home) to access any files. Then this whole > > floppy/usb/"where is my data" issue may just go away. Unfortunately, there > > a bunch of security concerns that have to be addressed before DOE will let > > this happen. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Dave Hopkins > > > Newark Charter School > > > Newark Delaware From AdrianDowgiel at aol.com Wed Mar 17 18:52:35 2004 From: AdrianDowgiel at aol.com (AdrianDowgiel at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:52:35 EST Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1976 Message-ID: <128.3cf43e7a.2d89f873@aol.com> Problem encountered below when installing Red Hat Linux 9. The XML page cannot be displayed Cannot view XML input using style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later. The system cannot locate the resource specified. Error processing resource 'comps.dtd'. Error processing resource 'file:///D:/RedHat/base/comps.xml'. Line 2, Position 75 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the software. > >Here's their web page: >http://www.inspiration.com > > > >Larry Mateo >Network Technician II >Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Mar 17 21:12:23 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:12:23 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software Message-ID: Jim Hays wrote: >> I, too, am looking for an Inspiration "clone". The closest that I have found is FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/). The core is definitely there and it does seem to be powerful enough, but I am sure that our teachers will find something wrong with it because it is not Inspiration. << I tried FreeMind, and was quite impressed. The biggest problem for deployment around our school is the fact that it's written in Java - we have a number of old machines on which it would be just too slow, unfortunately. The other problem - more easily overcome - is the limited support for graphics - elementary school kids, especially, love graphics and colour. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From info at baf-computers.com Wed Mar 17 20:54:36 2004 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:54:36 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] M$ access from K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <20040317131114.BF5B2735EB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: If you right click on my documents and left click on properties change the drive to the samba share they do not know that they are saving to another PC until the network goes down. Les BAF Services(Computers) 442 London Road High Wycombe Bucks HP11 1LP Tel:- 01494 534146 Mob:- 07788824548 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:35:01 -0500, Timothy Smith wrote: > Dave, > I'm not a sys admin by any means, but I was thinking that there might be > an > easy solution to your problem... > Why not change the "My Documents" icon on user's the desktop to a script > or > link that opens up the user's HOME directory. You could change the icon > to > look like the "My Documents" icon and perhaps name it "Your Documents" > (since they don't actually own the machine...:-)). > If any passwords that are needed, then you could go with the script idea > and > save the passwords in the registry and simply reference them as global > variables in your script. The latter helping keep security in place while > making the connection seamless. > Not sure if it would help in your circumstance since it seems you were > already on the same track. > Just a little trick I use in M$ based web development. > > Good luck, > Tim > > >> >> Sincerely, >> Dave Hopkins >> Newark Charter School >> Newark Delaware > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Mar 17 21:29:38 2004 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: 17 Mar 2004 16:29:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] radius Message-ID: <1079558978.6707.33.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> I hope this doesn't sound stupid (but even if it does...). I've never dealt with radius before. The legislature here has voted money to put laptops with wireless access in the hands of all 6th graders in the state. I won't mention anything about how the equipment is routinely trashed by the students in the building experimentally running this program already (oops - let the cat out of the bag ;). In any case, certain things are not funded by the program. One example is a process to secure our networks against every tom, dick, and harry that wanders near the required wireless access points with their own wireless device. Anyway, enough of the background... I've been searching for information about radius. None of us here have any past experience with it but we need to set something up. I have freeradius running. I have a cisco AP350 wireless access point working. I have a wireless iBook to play with. I've googled everything I can think of but the info I've found is pretty sketchy at best. I think my biggest problem is understanding the process that is supposed to occur so I can configure everything. Can anyone describe the steps in the authentication process when a wireless client comes online from the client through the AP, to the radius server? I've been told they want the authentication to be by mac address rather than a user logon (if that is even possible - seems like all the docs for radius talk about authenticating by user at realm). Seems to me it might be easier to set up a dhcp server and control routing of ip's associated with given mac addresses but that would involve machines at all wireless locations and they want all access to be centralized. I think I'm stuck configuring freeradius but since I'm not sure what's supposed to happen I'm at a loss for what to do next. Thanks for any help you can provide. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Computers are a lot like air conditioners. They don't work well with windows open... From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Mar 17 21:59:36 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:59:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> Larry Mateo wrote: > I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, would be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school grades in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the software. > > Here's their web page: > http://www.inspiration.com > > > > Larry Mateo > Network Technician II > Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District > larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Larry, I have created graphical organizers much like Inspiration does with, both, Openoffice.org Draw, and Kivio (Koffice's Visio equiv.) You can see an outline and a couple of graphical orgs I did for my students with OOo at http://sterling.school-library.net Of course, neither of those will switch from outline to graphical org and back at the click of a button or do some of the other things that Inspiration does. On the bright side, Inspiration runs just fine with Wine! (I'm the one that discovered this and added Inspiration to the list at winehq.org!) If I really want Inspiration, though, I use it on my OSX iBook (under Classic/OS9). tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed Mar 17 22:01:46 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:01:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058B77C.2030307@elp.rr.com> References: <4058B77C.2030307@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4058CACA.1030005@snet.net> > > Larry Mateo wrote: > >> I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration >> Software, Inc.'s the Kidspiration program runs under >> Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company >> asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the >> software. Oh yeah, BTW, I asked them over a year ago if they would port to Linux and they said,"Nope." the morons. >> >> Here's their web page: >> http://www.inspiration.com >> -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From petre at maltzen.net Wed Mar 17 22:03:49 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:03:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Disklessworkstations Term150 PXE In-Reply-To: <000c01c40c5d$b5883170$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000c01c40c5d$b5883170$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4058CB45.5040101@maltzen.net> Please report back on the board's reaction. (I like to monitor how schools react when LTSP is pitched to them.) Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Wow!!! I just plugged it in and tested it out. I have to say I had some > issues with LTSP speed in the past that had me a little skeptical, and I > have posted about the problems here before. But these little suckers > rock! I am by no means an experienced or seasoned LTSP user but I would > highly recommend these to anyone. I cannot even hear the thing run, > worked fresh out of the box, everything works and the speed is finally > what I wanted to see. > > Thanks Jim for an awesome product. I can't wait to demo this for the > school board tomorrow. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.629 / Virus Database: 403 - Release Date: 3/17/2004 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Wed Mar 17 22:24:54 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:24:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058CACA.1030005@snet.net> References: <4058B77C.2030307@elp.rr.com> <4058CACA.1030005@snet.net> Message-ID: <20040317222454.GC2140@sonic.net> On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 05:01:46PM -0500, anthony baldwin wrote: > > Oh yeah, BTW, I asked them over a year ago if they would port to Linux > and they said,"Nope." the morons. Well, just in the past coupla hours, I've seen at least a half dozen people here on K12OSN interested in it. Perhaps if EVERYONE who's actually interested contact them, they might take notice. A year ago in Linux time is pretty dark-ages. :^) At the very least, the onslaught of IBM Linux ads has helped the general public discover there's such a thing out there, and that it's important. (And understand how to pronounce the name properly. ;^) ) -bill! From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 17 22:20:44 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:20:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079562044.24972.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 15:12, Les Bell wrote: > I tried FreeMind, and was quite impressed. The biggest problem for > deployment around our school is the fact that it's written in Java - we > have a number of old machines on which it would be just too slow, If you run the old machines as thin terminals the java would really be running on a server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Thu Mar 18 01:11:01 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:11:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4058F725.50601@sages.us> I think that FreeMind could work with good enought templates. I think that templates could be created that would contain the graphical "punch" that K-5 wants. I hope to have some time to work on this in the next few weeks. FreeMind does handle grphics well. Les Bell wrote: >Jim Hays wrote: > > > >I, too, am looking for an Inspiration "clone". The closest that I have >found is FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/). The core is >definitely there and it does seem to be powerful enough, but I am sure >that our teachers will find something wrong with it because it is not >Inspiration. ><< > >I tried FreeMind, and was quite impressed. The biggest problem for >deployment around our school is the fact that it's written in Java - we >have a number of old machines on which it would be just too slow, >unfortunately. The other problem - more easily overcome - is the limited >support for graphics - elementary school kids, especially, love graphics >and colour. > >Best, > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From haysja at sages.us Thu Mar 18 01:17:21 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:17:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> References: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> Message-ID: <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> I worked on getting Kidspiration to work on Wine this afternoon with no success. Do you have a Howto on how to get Inspiration working with Wine? anthony baldwin wrote: > > > Larry Mateo wrote: > >> I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration >> Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run >> under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, would >> be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school grades >> in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under >> Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company >> asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the >> software. >> >> Here's their web page: >> http://www.inspiration.com >> >> >> >> Larry Mateo >> Network Technician II >> Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >> larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Larry, > I have created graphical organizers much like Inspiration does with, > both, Openoffice.org Draw, and Kivio (Koffice's Visio equiv.) You can > see an outline and a couple of graphical orgs I did for my students > with OOo at http://sterling.school-library.net > Of course, neither of those will switch from outline to graphical org > and back at the click of a button or do some of the other things that > Inspiration does. On the bright side, Inspiration runs just fine with > Wine! (I'm the one that discovered this and added Inspiration to the > list at winehq.org!) > If I really want Inspiration, though, I use it on my OSX iBook (under > Classic/OS9). > > tony > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Thu Mar 18 01:28:34 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:28:34 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software Message-ID: Jim Hays wrote: >> I think that FreeMind could work with good enought templates. << Completely agree, Jim. A thought out of left field - I wonder whether the "stamps" from TuxPaint (which has been a *huge* hit at our school) could be used as the basis of icons & artwork for FreeMind? Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Mar 18 01:28:06 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:28:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> References: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> Message-ID: <4058FB26.7040307@elp.rr.com> I copied Inspiration into my usr file and then used a terminal window to wine install the thing. Then I created an icon for the .exe file in the fake c and put it onmy task bar. In the line where the path to the .exe file is put the word winein front of the path for example: wine /home/username/c/programname.exe If I typed anything wrong from memory I'm sure that my local guru will let us know what it was. Bye Pat Jim Hays wrote: > I worked on getting Kidspiration to work on Wine this afternoon with > no success. > Do you have a Howto on how to get Inspiration working with Wine? > > anthony baldwin wrote: > >> >> >> Larry Mateo wrote: >> >>> I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration >>> Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run >>> under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, would >>> be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school grades >>> in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under >>> Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company >>> asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the >>> software. >>> >>> Here's their web page: >>> http://www.inspiration.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Larry Mateo >>> Network Technician II >>> Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >>> larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> Larry, >> I have created graphical organizers much like Inspiration does with, >> both, Openoffice.org Draw, and Kivio (Koffice's Visio equiv.) You >> can see an outline and a couple of graphical orgs I did for my >> students with OOo at http://sterling.school-library.net >> Of course, neither of those will switch from outline to graphical org >> and back at the click of a button or do some of the other things that >> Inspiration does. On the bright side, Inspiration runs just fine with >> Wine! (I'm the one that discovered this and added Inspiration to the >> list at winehq.org!) >> If I really want Inspiration, though, I use it on my OSX iBook (under >> Classic/OS9). >> >> tony >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Thu Mar 18 01:32:03 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:32:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058FB26.7040307@elp.rr.com> References: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> <4058FB26.7040307@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4058FC13.1030004@sages.us> Thank you. I will try that in the morning., John P. Conlon wrote: > I copied Inspiration into my usr file and then used a terminal window > to wine install the thing. Then I created an icon for the .exe file > in the fake c and put it onmy task bar. In the line where the path to > the .exe file is put the word winein front of the path for example: > wine /home/username/c/programname.exe > If I typed anything wrong from memory I'm sure that my local guru will > let us know what it was. > Bye > Pat > > Jim Hays wrote: > >> I worked on getting Kidspiration to work on Wine this afternoon with >> no success. >> Do you have a Howto on how to get Inspiration working with Wine? >> >> anthony baldwin wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Larry Mateo wrote: >>> >>>> I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration >>>> Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run >>>> under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, >>>> would be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school >>>> grades in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs >>>> under Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the >>>> company asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based >>>> version of the software. >>>> >>>> Here's their web page: >>>> http://www.inspiration.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Larry Mateo >>>> Network Technician II >>>> Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >>>> larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> Larry, >>> I have created graphical organizers much like Inspiration does with, >>> both, Openoffice.org Draw, and Kivio (Koffice's Visio equiv.) You >>> can see an outline and a couple of graphical orgs I did for my >>> students with OOo at http://sterling.school-library.net >>> Of course, neither of those will switch from outline to graphical >>> org and back at the click of a button or do some of the other things >>> that Inspiration does. On the bright side, Inspiration runs just >>> fine with Wine! (I'm the one that discovered this and added >>> Inspiration to the list at winehq.org!) >>> If I really want Inspiration, though, I use it on my OSX iBook >>> (under Classic/OS9). >>> >>> tony >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From haysja at sages.us Thu Mar 18 01:34:00 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:34:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4058FC88.7010601@sages.us> Where are the icons that come with FreeMind stored. If we can figure out where they are stored - and the format - we could replace some of them with the Tuxpaint stamps. It is worth a shot. Les Bell wrote: >Jim Hays wrote: > > > >I think that FreeMind could work with good enought templates. ><< > >Completely agree, Jim. A thought out of left field - I wonder whether the >"stamps" from TuxPaint (which has been a *huge* hit at our school) could be >used as the basis of icons & artwork for FreeMind? > >Best, > >--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >[http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From samruthkumar at yahoo.co.in Thu Mar 18 04:44:37 2004 From: samruthkumar at yahoo.co.in (=?iso-8859-1?q?sala=20amruth=20kumar?=) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [K12OSN] un-subscribe Message-ID: <20040318044437.33291.qmail@web8201.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Sir, I would like to unsubscribe the membership. Thanx Amruth Kumar S Yahoo! India Promos: Win a trip for 2 to Britain. Click here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 18 05:35:32 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:35:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] openMosix test packages Message-ID: This is just a "rough draft", not even alpha-quality... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/openmosix-ltsp/ Read the README to install/configure. -Eric From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Mar 18 08:45:36 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:15:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] openMosix test packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079599536.15387.12.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 11:05, Eric Harrison wrote: > This is just a "rough draft", not even alpha-quality... > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/openmosix-ltsp/ Eric, Will try out your packages and report back. In the meanwhile I had run two servers on openmosix with one server being the LTSP server. While setting up and running was not major problem a curious problem on the thin clients was that the running applications would quit all of sudden. Even editors like gedit / joe / pico would do that. Starting the LTSP server without openmosix kernel resolves the problem. I used openmosix2.4.22 kernel. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From k12 at wpps.wcape.school.za Thu Mar 18 12:04:26 2004 From: k12 at wpps.wcape.school.za (Paul Hennion) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:04:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058B77C.2030307@elp.rr.com> References: <4058B77C.2030307@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4059904A.20305@wpps.wcape.school.za> There are problems with the licensing, and it refuses to work. P John P. Conlon wrote: > Suggestion: Install Wine and then Install Inspiration. > Bye > Pat > > Larry Mateo wrote: > >> I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration >> Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run >> under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, would >> be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school grades >> in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under >> Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company >> asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the >> software. >> >> Here's their web page: >> http://www.inspiration.com >> >> >> >> Larry Mateo >> Network Technician II >> Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >> larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From woolf at iinet.net.au Thu Mar 18 12:26:59 2004 From: woolf at iinet.net.au (woolf) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:26:59 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] openMosix test packages Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040318231545.00b4d300@mail.iinet.net.au> Greetings. First I'll introduce myself: My name is Colin. I'm involved with some local schools in the Macedon Ranges, Victoria, Australia. (None have K12LTSP as yet. To be set up later this year. Still testing.) Just installed [K12OSN] openMosix test packages on a fresh install: Test server: old AMD650 256meg ram, slow 6.4g ide drive Clients x2: AMD2100xp 512m ram floppy boot Client x1: P166 64m ram floppy boot Client x1: C400 96m ram floppy boot all 100m nics So far seems quite stable. I haven't run anything demanding much resources as yet, but will post report after I do. ...Col From pauldavison at psps.com Thu Mar 18 13:31:55 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:31:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] radius In-Reply-To: <1079558978.6707.33.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1079558978.6707.33.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <4059A4CB.3060003@psps.com> I don't have any Radius experience, but I do have some wireless security experience. If you are planning to authenticate using a MAC address you may find it does little to keep out the proverbial Tom, Dick and Harry. MAC addresses are very easy to spoof. What OS are the laptops running? Paul Mike Rambo wrote: > radius server? I've been told they want the authentication to be by mac > address rather than a user logon (if that is even possible - seems like > all the docs for radius talk about authenticating by user at realm). From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Mar 18 14:00:31 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:00:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] radius In-Reply-To: <1079558978.6707.33.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1079558978.6707.33.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <4059AB7F.5080200@msln.net> I do not have experience with radius, but I did have the same problem. I created an access list for the airport (airport admin utility) via MAC addresses. It was time consuming, and I'm sure there is a guru out there that knows an easier way, but then I exported the list and imported it into all the other airports. This kept only the appropriate computers from using the federally purchased equipment. All the other non-federal airports are set up as bridges, and the MAC address is in the dhcp server. No entry in the server, no access to the network. Haven't had any problems yet with kids putting in statics yet.... Hope this helps. Mark Mike Rambo wrote: >I hope this doesn't sound stupid (but even if it does...). > >I've never dealt with radius before. The legislature here has voted >money to put laptops with wireless access in the hands of all 6th >graders in the state. I won't mention anything about how the equipment >is routinely trashed by the students in the building experimentally >running this program already (oops - let the cat out of the bag ;). In >any case, certain things are not funded by the program. One example is a >process to secure our networks against every tom, dick, and harry that >wanders near the required wireless access points with their own wireless >device. Anyway, enough of the background... > >I've been searching for information about radius. None of us here have >any past experience with it but we need to set something up. I have >freeradius running. I have a cisco AP350 wireless access point working. >I have a wireless iBook to play with. I've googled everything I can >think of but the info I've found is pretty sketchy at best. I think my >biggest problem is understanding the process that is supposed to occur >so I can configure everything. > >Can anyone describe the steps in the authentication process when a >wireless client comes online from the client through the AP, to the >radius server? I've been told they want the authentication to be by mac >address rather than a user logon (if that is even possible - seems like >all the docs for radius talk about authenticating by user at realm). Seems >to me it might be easier to set up a dhcp server and control routing of >ip's associated with given mac addresses but that would involve machines >at all wireless locations and they want all access to be centralized. I >think I'm stuck configuring freeradius but since I'm not sure what's >supposed to happen I'm at a loss for what to do next. > >Thanks for any help you can provide. > > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Thu Mar 18 14:21:22 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:21:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux access to Spectrum Catalog Message-ID: <1079619681.3042.15.camel@localhost> Hi, Does anyone know of a client for Sagebrush Spectrum Library server? I will need one to run on the K12LTSP lab I'm planning. Also if anyone knows of a grammar software (English) and a software for teaching basic Spanish (with English instructions)that will run on K12LTSP I would love to hear from you. Thanks in advance, Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (715) 327-4223 From kevin at ross.kunaschools.org Thu Mar 18 14:20:26 2004 From: kevin at ross.kunaschools.org (Kevin Christensen) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:20:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <20040317222454.GC2140@sonic.net> References: <4058B77C.2030307@elp.rr.com> <4058CACA.1030005@snet.net> <20040317222454.GC2140@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4059B02A.500@ross.kunaschools.org> Bill Kendrick wrote: I think this is a good idea. The more people that express the intrest the more they will think about it. I think a lot of companies out there are debating about porting software to linux but don't know if the market for it is good enough. Just a thought Kevin >On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 05:01:46PM -0500, anthony baldwin wrote: > > >>Oh yeah, BTW, I asked them over a year ago if they would port to Linux >>and they said,"Nope." the morons. >> >> > >Well, just in the past coupla hours, I've seen at least a half dozen people >here on K12OSN interested in it. Perhaps if EVERYONE who's actually >interested contact them, they might take notice. > >A year ago in Linux time is pretty dark-ages. :^) At the very least, the >onslaught of IBM Linux ads has helped the general public discover there's >such a thing out there, and that it's important. (And understand how >to pronounce the name properly. ;^) ) > >-bill! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Mar 18 14:27:19 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (TONY) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:27:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> References: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> Message-ID: <4059B1C7.4050001@snet.net> Jim Hays wrote: > I worked on getting Kidspiration to work on Wine this afternoon with > no success. > Do you have a Howto on how to get Inspiration working with Wine? I'm afraid I don't. At the time I was using it, I had Inspiration installed on a windows partition. I was using RH8. I installed Wine and started Inspiration from the mounted doze partition and it just worked. Now I have no Windows partition and have not used Inspiration, except on my iBook, for some time. (Actually used it today, as I have the entire CT Middle School Framework in Inspiration file format to aid in creating lesson plans, but again, that was on my iBook running OS9 on top of OSX). Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. tony > > > anthony baldwin wrote: > >> >> >> Larry Mateo wrote: >> >>> I'm looking for visual learning software similar to Inspiration >>> Software, Inc.'s Kidspiration or Inspiration programs that will run >>> under Linux. Kidspiration, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, would >>> be best since we use the K12LTSP system for elementary school grades >>> in our district. Currently, the Kidspiration program runs under >>> Windows and Mac OS; however, I have sent an email to the company >>> asking if they have plans on marketing a Linux-based version of the >>> software. >>> >>> Here's their web page: >>> http://www.inspiration.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Larry Mateo >>> Network Technician II >>> Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >>> larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> Larry, >> I have created graphical organizers much like Inspiration does with, >> both, Openoffice.org Draw, and Kivio (Koffice's Visio equiv.) You >> can see an outline and a couple of graphical orgs I did for my >> students with OOo at http://sterling.school-library.net >> Of course, neither of those will switch from outline to graphical org >> and back at the click of a button or do some of the other things that >> Inspiration does. On the bright side, Inspiration runs just fine with >> Wine! (I'm the one that discovered this and added Inspiration to the >> list at winehq.org!) >> If I really want Inspiration, though, I use it on my OSX iBook (under >> Classic/OS9). >> >> tony >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Thu Mar 18 14:33:25 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:33:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4058FC13.1030004@sages.us> References: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> <4058FB26.7040307@elp.rr.com> <4058FC13.1030004@sages.us> Message-ID: <4059B335.5090607@sages.us> I just installed Inspiration on K12LTSP and it ran without a hitch. (I have only done some preliminary testing, but all works well so far.) The installation was very easy. Here is what I did: Copied the files from the Inspiration CD into my home folder. Double-clicked on INstall.exe and Wine took care of the rest. Now, I will work on Kidspiration. Jim Hays wrote: > Thank you. I will try that in the morning., > > > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I copied Inspiration into my usr file and then used a terminal window >> to wine install the thing. Then I created an icon for the .exe file >> in the fake c and put it onmy task bar. In the line where the path >> to the .exe file is put the word winein front of the path for example: >> wine /home/username/c/programname.exe >> If I typed anything wrong from memory I'm sure that my local guru >> will let us know what it was. >> Bye >> Pat >> From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 18 14:44:42 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:44:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Message-ID: <040201c40cf7$8d9b30f0$6700a8c0@OFFICE> Hello everyone: I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. Thanks in advance. Rita Gibson Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Mar 18 14:46:02 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:46:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4059B335.5090607@sages.us> References: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> <4058FB26.7040307@elp.rr.com> <4058FC13.1030004@sages.us> <4059B335.5090607@sages.us> Message-ID: <4059B62A.3080609@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Jim Hays wrote: > I just installed Inspiration on K12LTSP and it ran without a hitch. (I > have only done some preliminary testing, but all works well so far.) > The installation was very easy. Here is what I did: > > Copied the files from the Inspiration CD into my home folder. > Double-clicked on INstall.exe and Wine took care of the rest. > Now, I will work on Kidspiration. > > > Jim Hays wrote: > >> Thank you. I will try that in the morning., >> >> >> >> >> John P. Conlon wrote: >> >>> I copied Inspiration into my usr file and then used a terminal window >>> to wine install the thing. Then I created an icon for the .exe file >>> in the fake c and put it onmy task bar. In the line where the path >>> to the .exe file is put the word winein front of the path for example: >>> wine /home/username/c/programname.exe >>> If I typed anything wrong from memory I'm sure that my local guru >>> will let us know what it was. >>> Bye >>> Pat >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Ok, but how do we get it working for ALL of our teachers/students? Aside from the first obvious step of having a license for all of them? -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From johns at model.com Thu Mar 18 14:47:22 2004 From: johns at model.com (Spencer, John) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:47:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Message-ID: www.mysql.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rita Gibson Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:45 AM To: K12 List Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Hello everyone: I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. Thanks in advance. Rita Gibson Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Mar 18 14:47:46 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:47:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app In-Reply-To: <040201c40cf7$8d9b30f0$6700a8c0@OFFICE> References: <040201c40cf7$8d9b30f0$6700a8c0@OFFICE> Message-ID: <4059B692.3090604@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Rita Gibson wrote: > Hello everyone: > > I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school > would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't really know > what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous > discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but folks are > wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for > schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. > > Thanks in advance. > > Rita Gibson > Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I"m looking into OpenAdmin. Getting ready to install it today. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From johns at model.com Thu Mar 18 14:48:49 2004 From: johns at model.com (Spencer, John) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:48:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Message-ID: Also checkout the open source database benchmark for comparisons http://osdb.sourceforge.net/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Spencer, John Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:47 AM To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app www.mysql.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rita Gibson Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:45 AM To: K12 List Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Hello everyone: I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. Thanks in advance. Rita Gibson Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From haysja at sages.us Thu Mar 18 15:05:56 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:05:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software In-Reply-To: <4059B62A.3080609@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4058CA48.1020403@snet.net> <4058F8A1.2070203@sages.us> <4058FB26.7040307@elp.rr.com> <4058FC13.1030004@sages.us> <4059B335.5090607@sages.us> <4059B62A.3080609@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <4059BAD4.6070404@sages.us> Sorry. I haven't gotten that far yet. Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> I just installed Inspiration on K12LTSP and it ran without a hitch. >> (I have only done some preliminary testing, but all works well so >> far.) The installation was very easy. Here is what I did: >> >> Copied the files from the Inspiration CD into my home folder. >> Double-clicked on INstall.exe and Wine took care of the rest. >> Now, I will work on Kidspiration. >> >> >> Jim Hays wrote: >> >>> Thank you. I will try that in the morning., >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> John P. Conlon wrote: >>> >>>> I copied Inspiration into my usr file and then used a terminal >>>> window to wine install the thing. Then I created an icon for the >>>> .exe file in the fake c and put it onmy task bar. In the line >>>> where the path to the .exe file is put the word winein front of the >>>> path for example: >>>> wine /home/username/c/programname.exe >>>> If I typed anything wrong from memory I'm sure that my local guru >>>> will let us know what it was. >>>> Bye >>>> Pat >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > Ok, but how do we get it working for ALL of our teachers/students? > Aside from the first obvious step of having a license for all of them? > From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Mar 18 16:01:19 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:01:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse Message-ID: <4059C7CF.2080206@glenwood.k12.mo.us> I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. Here is an excerpt from the lts.conf file... [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL= "IMPS/2" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N RUNLEVEL = 5 The mouse is a Microsoft USB Wheel Mouse (maybe that's the problem, eh?). -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From qmail2 at chilitech.com Thu Mar 18 16:04:03 2004 From: qmail2 at chilitech.com (Matt) Date: 18 Mar 2004 11:04:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on VNC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079625842.28443.2.camel@hopper> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:50, Eric Harrison wrote: > On 16 Mar 2004, Matt wrote: > > >Hi, > >What was needed to make VNC run on the different ports.. ie :0 :1 :2, > >etc and start the session and then kill it when you close the VNC > >session? I would very much like to set this up on another machine, but > >haven't had much luck. > >How do you > >A) launch VNC on multiple :x interfaces only when someone connects, and > >B) have it disconnect when they are done.? > > I K12LTSP, this is all contained in the vnc-ltsp-config package. > > The RPM should install on any RPM-based system that uses xinetd. > > This RPM adds a few entries to the end of /etc/services and the file > /etc/xinetd.d/vnc > > You can manually copy these over to any system that uses xinetd, or > easily port it over to one that supports the older inetd. Eric, Thanks for this info.. and I understand that... but how do I make it not ask for a password and simply display the X login screen? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 18 16:07:10 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:07:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse In-Reply-To: <4059C7CF.2080206@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4059C7CF.2080206@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1079626030.25901.60.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:01, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It > is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the > thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB > ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does > NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. The D810EMO boards I've seen have pretty lousy "legacy" mouse support. Make sure that you have usb enabled in your lts.conf so that the client is running in native USB mode: RCFILE_01 = "usb" -Eric > Here is an excerpt from the lts.conf file... > > [Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL= "IMPS/2" > X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" > X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > LOCAL_APPS = N > RUNLEVEL = 5 > > The mouse is a Microsoft USB Wheel Mouse (maybe that's the problem, eh?). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Mar 18 16:15:13 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse In-Reply-To: <1079626030.25901.60.camel@server.ltsp> References: <4059C7CF.2080206@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1079626030.25901.60.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4059CB11.6010203@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:01, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > >>I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It >>is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the >>thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB >>ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does >>NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. > > > The D810EMO boards I've seen have pretty lousy "legacy" mouse support. > Make sure that you have usb enabled in your lts.conf so that the client > is running in native USB mode: > > RCFILE_01 = "usb" > > -Eric Does this setting go in the global default settings? Right now that setting is... RCFILE_01 = floppyd OR, does it go in a workstation specific setting? If so, how do I make that setting for my d810emo workstation? Thanks for your help. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 18 16:19:08 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:19:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse In-Reply-To: <4059CB11.6010203@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4059C7CF.2080206@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1079626030.25901.60.camel@server.ltsp> <4059CB11.6010203@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1079626748.25901.65.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:15, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:01, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > > > >>I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It > >>is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the > >>thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB > >>ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does > >>NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. > > > > > > The D810EMO boards I've seen have pretty lousy "legacy" mouse support. > > Make sure that you have usb enabled in your lts.conf so that the client > > is running in native USB mode: > > > > RCFILE_01 = "usb" > > > > -Eric > > Does this setting go in the global default settings? Right now that > setting is... > > RCFILE_01 = floppyd Okay, make it RCFILE_02 = "usb" ;-) > OR, does it go in a workstation specific setting? If so, how do I > make that setting for my d810emo workstation? > > Thanks for your help. In the newer versions of K12LTSP, it is on by default in the global section. If you want it just for one terminal, my favorite way of doing that is to use the MAC address for the terminal: [00:01:02:03:04:05:06] RCFILE_02 = "usb" You can also use the terminal's name or IP address, but that requires modifying both dhcpd.conf and lts.conf. If you just you use the MAC address in lts.conf, you don't have to modify dhcpd.conf. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jsiler at varnett.com Thu Mar 18 17:37:02 2004 From: jsiler at varnett.com (jsiler at varnett.com) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:37:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Student Database (SIS) In-Reply-To: <20040318161545.0D6F274803@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200403181737.i2IHb76Z021735@varnett.com> Rita There are plenty of open source applications that can be used to track student contact information. The problem with open SIS (student information system) is that they are not state specific and will not handle budget or state reporting. This makes it difficult if your state wants an ADA (average daily attendance) report and your attendance and state reporting system are separate. All three major commercial SIS vendors now have a web based interface built in or as an additional option. jsiler at varnett.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of k12osn-request at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:16 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: K12OSN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1981 Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to k12osn at redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to k12osn-request at redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at k12osn-owner at redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Open Source School/Student Information db or app (Spencer, John) 2. Re: Open Source School/Student Information db or app (Richard K. Ingalls) 3. RE: Open Source School/Student Information db or app (Spencer, John) 4. Re: Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software (Jim Hays) 5. Still trouble with USB Mouse (Richard K. Ingalls) 6. Re: Question on VNC (Matt) 7. Re: Still trouble with USB Mouse (Eric Harrison) 8. Re: Still trouble with USB Mouse (Richard K. Ingalls) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:47:22 -0800 From: "Spencer, John" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app To: "'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain www.mysql.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rita Gibson Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:45 AM To: K12 List Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Hello everyone: I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. Thanks in advance. Rita Gibson Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:47:46 -0600 From: "Richard K. Ingalls" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." Message-ID: <4059B692.3090604 at glenwood.k12.mo.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Rita Gibson wrote: > Hello everyone: > > I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school > would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't really know > what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous > discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but folks are > wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for > schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. > > Thanks in advance. > > Rita Gibson > Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I"m looking into OpenAdmin. Getting ready to install it today. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 06:48:49 -0800 From: "Spencer, John" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app To: "'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Also checkout the open source database benchmark for comparisons http://osdb.sourceforge.net/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Spencer, John Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:47 AM To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app www.mysql.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rita Gibson Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:45 AM To: K12 List Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Hello everyone: I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. Thanks in advance. Rita Gibson Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:05:56 -0600 From: Jim Hays Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kidspiration or Inspiration-like Linux software To: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us, "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." Message-ID: <4059BAD4.6070404 at sages.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sorry. I haven't gotten that far yet. Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> I just installed Inspiration on K12LTSP and it ran without a hitch. >> (I have only done some preliminary testing, but all works well so >> far.) The installation was very easy. Here is what I did: >> >> Copied the files from the Inspiration CD into my home folder. >> Double-clicked on INstall.exe and Wine took care of the rest. >> Now, I will work on Kidspiration. >> >> >> Jim Hays wrote: >> >>> Thank you. I will try that in the morning., >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> John P. Conlon wrote: >>> >>>> I copied Inspiration into my usr file and then used a terminal >>>> window to wine install the thing. Then I created an icon for the >>>> .exe file in the fake c and put it onmy task bar. In the line >>>> where the path to the .exe file is put the word winein front of the >>>> path for example: >>>> wine /home/username/c/programname.exe >>>> If I typed anything wrong from memory I'm sure that my local guru >>>> will let us know what it was. >>>> Bye >>>> Pat >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > Ok, but how do we get it working for ALL of our teachers/students? > Aside from the first obvious step of having a license for all of them? > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:01:19 -0600 From: "Richard K. Ingalls" Subject: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <4059C7CF.2080206 at glenwood.k12.mo.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. Here is an excerpt from the lts.conf file... [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL= "IMPS/2" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N RUNLEVEL = 5 The mouse is a Microsoft USB Wheel Mouse (maybe that's the problem, eh?). -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: 18 Mar 2004 11:04:03 -0500 From: Matt Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Question on VNC To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS "Linux distribution." Message-ID: <1079625842.28443.2.camel at hopper> Content-Type: text/plain On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:50, Eric Harrison wrote: > On 16 Mar 2004, Matt wrote: > > >Hi, > >What was needed to make VNC run on the different ports.. ie :0 :1 :2, > >etc and start the session and then kill it when you close the VNC > >session? I would very much like to set this up on another machine, but > >haven't had much luck. > >How do you > >A) launch VNC on multiple :x interfaces only when someone connects, and > >B) have it disconnect when they are done.? > > I K12LTSP, this is all contained in the vnc-ltsp-config package. > > The RPM should install on any RPM-based system that uses xinetd. > > This RPM adds a few entries to the end of /etc/services and the file > /etc/xinetd.d/vnc > > You can manually copy these over to any system that uses xinetd, or > easily port it over to one that supports the older inetd. Eric, Thanks for this info.. and I understand that... but how do I make it not ask for a password and simply display the X login screen? ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:07:10 -0800 From: Eric Harrison Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <1079626030.25901.60.camel at server.ltsp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:01, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It > is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the > thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB > ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does > NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. The D810EMO boards I've seen have pretty lousy "legacy" mouse support. Make sure that you have usb enabled in your lts.conf so that the client is running in native USB mode: RCFILE_01 = "usb" -Eric > Here is an excerpt from the lts.conf file... > > [Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL= "IMPS/2" > X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" > X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > LOCAL_APPS = N > RUNLEVEL = 5 > > The mouse is a Microsoft USB Wheel Mouse (maybe that's the problem, eh?). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : /archives/k12osn/attachments/20040318/4f5c0375/attachment.bin ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:13 -0600 From: "Richard K. Ingalls" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." Message-ID: <4059CB11.6010203 at glenwood.k12.mo.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:01, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > >>I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It >>is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the >>thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB >>ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does >>NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. > > > The D810EMO boards I've seen have pretty lousy "legacy" mouse support. > Make sure that you have usb enabled in your lts.conf so that the client > is running in native USB mode: > > RCFILE_01 = "usb" > > -Eric Does this setting go in the global default settings? Right now that setting is... RCFILE_01 = floppyd OR, does it go in a workstation specific setting? If so, how do I make that setting for my d810emo workstation? Thanks for your help. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1981 *************************************** From jfaletra at sau16.org Thu Mar 18 18:01:10 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:01:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bind HOWTO domainname.local Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am setting up a K12LTSP server and I can't find any info on how to configure the DNS. This is new to me. I tried webmin but I get an error saying bind is already running. So, I stop bind, attempt to add an internal zone and nothing happens (except bind restarts) Any ideas or direction? Joe Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 18 18:15:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:15:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on VNC In-Reply-To: <1079625842.28443.2.camel@hopper> References: <1079625842.28443.2.camel@hopper> Message-ID: <1079633703.17943.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 10:04, Matt wrote: > > >How do you > > >A) launch VNC on multiple :x interfaces only when someone connects, and > > >B) have it disconnect when they are done.? > > > > I K12LTSP, this is all contained in the vnc-ltsp-config package. > > > > The RPM should install on any RPM-based system that uses xinetd. > > > > This RPM adds a few entries to the end of /etc/services and the file > > /etc/xinetd.d/vnc > > > > You can manually copy these over to any system that uses xinetd, or > > easily port it over to one that supports the older inetd. > > Eric, > Thanks for this info.. and I understand that... but how do I make it not ask for a password and simply display the X login screen? That is exactly what should happen if you let xinetd start the vnc session for each connection the way the k12ltsp rpm does. Perhaps you have a standalone server already running and bound to the same port so you are connecting to it instead. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 18 19:02:49 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:02:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Mirror (again) Message-ID: <20040318140249.5357bc98.spowers@inlandlakes.org> I see currently on the mesd rsync server, there are separate settings for: K12LTSP-all and also K12LTSP-apt Since most of the RPMS exist in both, is it safe to assume there is some sym linking that occurs on the actual server? I would like to set up similar symlinking on my end, so as to save mucho bandwidth and space. I would also like to keep the updates, etc for 7.3, 8.0, etc -- which the K12LTSP-apt:: does... My end goal is to be able to install K12LTSP with a couple floppies, and then run apt-get to update the server once installed, all using my local mirror. (Actually, for our entire ESD, not just for my installs) Is this as simple as it seems to me? Can I just symlink some directories to get my cake and eat it too? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Mar 18 21:06:58 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:06:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Still trouble with USB Mouse In-Reply-To: <1079626748.25901.65.camel@server.ltsp> References: <4059C7CF.2080206@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1079626030.25901.60.camel@server.ltsp> <4059CB11.6010203@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <1079626748.25901.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <405A0F72.3010409@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:15, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > >>Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 08:01, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I've still got just one workstation that isn't working properly. It >>>>is the intel d810emo motherboard with IBM Netvista case (just like the >>>>thin-clients discussed on the k12ltsp.org site). It has ONLY USB >>>>ports for keboard and mouse. The keyboard works fine. The mouse does >>>>NOT. The mouse pointer just jumps all over the screen. >>> >>> >>>The D810EMO boards I've seen have pretty lousy "legacy" mouse support. >>>Make sure that you have usb enabled in your lts.conf so that the client >>>is running in native USB mode: >>> >>> RCFILE_01 = "usb" >>> >>>-Eric >> >>Does this setting go in the global default settings? Right now that >>setting is... >> >>RCFILE_01 = floppyd > > > Okay, make it RCFILE_02 = "usb" ;-) > Yep... that did it. Thanks. I feel pretty silly now. D'oh! -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Thu Mar 18 22:01:41 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:01:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405A1C45.70009@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Gee John, if I asked for information on getting a car would you send me to www.ussteel.com? :) Spencer, John wrote: > www.mysql.com > > Rita Gibson Sent: >> >> Hello everyone: >> >> I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a >> school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I >> don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) to >> find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist >> currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is looking >> for a database system for schools and asked me to see if there is an >> Open Source option. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From jason at plug.ca Thu Mar 18 16:26:32 2004 From: jason at plug.ca (Jason Loughead) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:26:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] radius In-Reply-To: <1079558978.6707.33.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <1079558978.6707.33.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <1079627191.15580.55.camel@localhost> Radius is an excellent tool. I would recommend using it. There's a number of things to keep in mind with radius. One is that the authentication scheme can be anything you choose. I would recommend PAM to keep things simple. Be sure the secret key is the same on the radius server as on the wireless access point and that PAP is selected as the auth method. If you have more speceific questions send them to the list. Jason http://plug.ca On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 15:29, Mike Rambo wrote: > I hope this doesn't sound stupid (but even if it does...). > > I've never dealt with radius before. The legislature here has voted > money to put laptops with wireless access in the hands of all 6th > graders in the state. I won't mention anything about how the equipment > is routinely trashed by the students in the building experimentally > running this program already (oops - let the cat out of the bag ;). In > any case, certain things are not funded by the program. One example is a > process to secure our networks against every tom, dick, and harry that > wanders near the required wireless access points with their own wireless > device. Anyway, enough of the background... > > I've been searching for information about radius. None of us here have > any past experience with it but we need to set something up. I have > freeradius running. I have a cisco AP350 wireless access point working. > I have a wireless iBook to play with. I've googled everything I can > think of but the info I've found is pretty sketchy at best. I think my > biggest problem is understanding the process that is supposed to occur > so I can configure everything. > > Can anyone describe the steps in the authentication process when a > wireless client comes online from the client through the AP, to the > radius server? I've been told they want the authentication to be by mac > address rather than a user logon (if that is even possible - seems like > all the docs for radius talk about authenticating by user at realm). Seems > to me it might be easier to set up a dhcp server and control routing of > ip's associated with given mac addresses but that would involve machines > at all wireless locations and they want all access to be centralized. I > think I'm stuck configuring freeradius but since I'm not sure what's > supposed to happen I'm at a loss for what to do next. > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Mar 18 23:34:15 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:34:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Bind HOWTO domainname.local In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 18, 2004, at 10:01 AM, Joe Faletra wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am setting up a K12LTSP server and I can't find any info on how to > configure the DNS. This is new to me. I tried webmin but I get an > error saying bind is already running. So, I stop bind, attempt to add > an internal zone and nothing happens (except bind restarts) > > Any ideas or direction? > > Joe > > Joe, A lot depends on your network setup (e.g. subnet class, number of zones, etc.). I can help you out offline in email or via phone if you need it, but in summary you must: 1. set up /etc/named.conf with the names of the zone files 2. set up the zone files in /var/named cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Mar 18 23:45:47 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:45:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them Message-ID: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Hi, We are considering a LTSP project and am wondering the following: 1. If there is any difference to how LTSP is set and configured if you have a diskless or diskfull client. Does it make a difference on the network load? Server load? With a diskfull client I am assuming you could cache some stuff on the disk. 2. Options for getting clients. So far I am looking at: a) buy diskless workstation terminals like the Term 150 b) buy parts and have the local kids build small form factor diskless workstations c) use old macs (of which we have a lot). concerned about maintenance issues here d) donated pc's. concerned about variability and viability here. What have you found out that works and what doesn't work. Thanks in advance for your advice. cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Mar 19 02:12:35 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:12:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them In-Reply-To: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: I have been doing testing for the past week and here is what I concluded. Disk or diskless makes no difference on network load. I am assuming you are talking about the HDD in the system. I have used a pentium 150 with 32mb ram and got satisfactory performance. The celeron 2ghz systems with 256k (dell full systems) run fast also. I also purchased a freedom 9 (www.amer.com) and it was virtually plug and play (remember to enable PXE boot in bios) I personally have concluded that for thin clients you can use just about anything. I have noticed that it makes life a lot easier if you use a supported video card. I hope this helped. Good luck! Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Mar 19 06:14:38 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:44:38 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Bind HOWTO domainname.local In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079676878.25892.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 23:31, Joe Faletra wrote: > I am setting up a K12LTSP server and I can't find any info on how to > configure the DNS. If you follow the advise on the K12LTSP site and have two NIC cards on your machine then you actually do not need to do any configuration here. The hosts and dhcpd files takes care of internal networking on eth0. Gateway to internet / upside network is achieved through eth1. Just point the gateway on both the machines to an external gateway number. > This is new to me. I tried webmin but I get an > error saying bind is already running. So, I stop bind, attempt to add > an internal zone and nothing happens (except bind restarts) Unless of course there is some other special reason for doing this. Hope that helps. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 19 14:15:43 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:15:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them In-Reply-To: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <002701c40dbc$ad526f10$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I have also been doing some extensive testing of all variants of hardware. Of course the main reason I think most users are even considering this options is cost (I know there are many other benefits, I just think cost is what initially takes users down this road). Keeping this in mind there is a lot to be said for getting donated machines, booting them via an etherboot floppy, finding a donated monitor letting it rock. However there are also issues with this as well, chances are your donated lab will not be uniform, and your faded beige towers with old fans and power supplies will not be asthetically/audibly pleasing (but functionality is the bottom line). I did not really notice a difference between running a 180MHZ machine with 64MB Ram compared to running a 800MHZ machine with 512MB Ram, performance seemd to be solely based on the Server and networking hardware (Definitely no less than 100MB switches network and a dual processor server with 1GB Ram). The macs leave something to be desired, I have tried using the -query option for running them (which leaves problems with sound boot/shutdown) and I have tried the way provide me by Chuck of running OS 7.6 with MKLinux booter to initialize the thin client (a little cryptic at first but once you get the hang of it not bad at all). I think the mac solution is doable if you have a lot of mac equipment to use, but in my testing I wouldn't recommend it. I may have a little personal opinion involved here but to me macs seem slower in general for most anything, generally involve more configuration, and the hardware costs for maintenance are gastly. As for thin terminals such as the Term150, I have been more than impressed, I think this is a awesome solution for where the budget isn't totally strapped. You gain asthetics, minimal sound, out of the box useability (No technical know how needed), and hardware tuned specific to the task at hand. The only thin client I have tested thus far is the Term150 so I cannot speak specifically to all others but would assume the same. I chose the Term150 simply because it had the lowest cost, and I wanted to test the bargain priced hardware. I still think we live in a world of "you get what you pay for", building clients is probably a great project for a class, and an excellent learning experience. But I have been involved in these projects before and the results aren't always a rock solid product. My opinion for a fresh 30-50 machine lab would be ebay for one kick but server(Dual 2.8GHZ or above w/4GB Ram and a Raid5 SCSI setup and a GB NIC), then buy all new Term150's for clients, and find donated monitors (which can be swapped at any time while providing a low cost initial setup, with a very stable base). Plug it all into a 100MB switched environment (very cheap with the Dell product line 2124 and 2024) with Gigabit uplink to a server and you and your users will be smiling from ear to ear. Of course I am a professional overkiller :-) Of course I am still fairly new here so others may have a better (more educated) opinion. I do still have reservations on the thin setup for power users who do digital video editing, high end graphics, scanning, digital imaging,etc. But I also don't think it is out of line to have a mixed platform environment for learning teaching. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Chris Kacoroski Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:46 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them Hi, We are considering a LTSP project and am wondering the following: 1. If there is any difference to how LTSP is set and configured if you have a diskless or diskfull client. Does it make a difference on the network load? Server load? With a diskfull client I am assuming you could cache some stuff on the disk. 2. Options for getting clients. So far I am looking at: a) buy diskless workstation terminals like the Term 150 b) buy parts and have the local kids build small form factor diskless workstations c) use old macs (of which we have a lot). concerned about maintenance issues here d) donated pc's. concerned about variability and viability here. What have you found out that works and what doesn't work. Thanks in advance for your advice. cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.629 / Virus Database: 403 - Release Date: 3/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.629 / Virus Database: 403 - Release Date: 3/17/2004 From haysja at sages.us Fri Mar 19 13:27:47 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:27:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them In-Reply-To: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <405AF553.8050601@sages.us> The bottom line for most schools - especially this year - is cost. With that in mind, use what you have. If you have a bunch of Mac ans can get them to work (not the easiest thing), definitely use them. If you are going to buy new clients, then get something that will boot to the network. If you have a student group that can build them, it would be a great project - and they will have fun doing it, not to mention the "ownership" feeling that they will get out of the project. Donated PC's will work very well for this purpose. I just got 7 from a federal agency (Compaq Pentium II) and they work very well. (Isn't Rom-o-matic just about the coolest site you've ever used?) Bottom line - use what you can and save as much money as you can. Put your money in the server and switches. Chris Kacoroski wrote: > Hi, > > We are considering a LTSP project and am wondering the following: > > 1. If there is any difference to how LTSP is set and configured if > you have a diskless or diskfull client. Does it make a difference on > the network load? Server load? With a diskfull client I am assuming > you could cache some stuff on the disk. > > 2. Options for getting clients. So far I am looking at: > > a) buy diskless workstation terminals like the Term 150 > b) buy parts and have the local kids build small form factor diskless > workstations > c) use old macs (of which we have a lot). concerned about maintenance > issues here > d) donated pc's. concerned about variability and viability here. > > What have you found out that works and what doesn't work. > > Thanks in advance for your advice. > > cheers, > > ski > > -- > "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it > connected to the entire universe" John Muir > > Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 19 08:11:47 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 00:11:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them In-Reply-To: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Chris Kacoroski wrote: >Hi, > >We are considering a LTSP project and am wondering the following: > >1. If there is any difference to how LTSP is set and configured if you >have a diskless or diskfull client. Does it make a difference on the >network load? Server load? With a diskfull client I am assuming you >could cache some stuff on the disk. A diskless client will usually use more bandwidth than a "fat" client. The rule-of-thumb I usually use is to recommend a 1Gbps uplink from the server (the clients are just fine at 100Mbps) if you have more than 30 clients on a single server with a "normal" usage pattern. If you are doing lots of video or games or "tuxtype" type applications, you may want to lower that down to 20 clients per server requiring a GigE nic in the server. >2. Options for getting clients. So far I am looking at: > >a) buy diskless workstation terminals like the Term 150 Absolutely silent and small. Low heat, no moving parts. >b) buy parts and have the local kids build small form factor diskless >workstations Certainly an option. >c) use old macs (of which we have a lot). concerned about maintenance >issues here I'm hoping that bill_c (of ppc-ltsp fame) will be at LFNW next month! >d) donated pc's. concerned about variability and viability here. Mixed bag. Sometimes wonderful, sometimes a bigger pain than it is worth. I know Mike in your office has experience with marginal donated hardware... Donated HW works great if it is easy for you to get rid of the junk that is just not worth the effort to get running. -Eric From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Fri Mar 19 15:08:51 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:08:51 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] local devices and /dev stuff Message-ID: <9396106.1079708931550.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hi people!! I'm trying to use local devices in my k12ltsp system, but I'm afraid I'm a bit lost. Someone whose nick was Frame in irc.freonde.net/#ltsp but that I'm afraid seem to have dissapeared (at least I still have no answer to my emails :-) have developed a local devices howto [1]. I've already compiled my own kernel with lpp+supermount support, because my lusers don't want to get a command line while booting.. I've also executed all the steps of the howto related to local cdrom support. My terminals now have supermount loaded. I've also configured in lts.conf to have a second screen in my terminal pcs with a terminal (command line), and there is where a lsmod tells me that supermount module is loaded but unused. I'd like to mount my local cdrom devices, in my terminal, but I only have seen a sign of its existance (and the local HD!) in /proc/devices: hda and hdc, and that devices can't be the ones in the server bercause the server has a hdd and hdb also hehe. The problem is that /dev seem to not be updated. I can't see there a lp0 device for my local printer (I've configured it by adding PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0\n PRINTER_0_TYPE = P in lts.conf for my PC-terminal), nor a hdX or cdromX device. I can only see a /dev/floppy, but this PC-terminal's laptop haven't got a floppy device :-P. I guess that updating or rebuilding the /opt/ltsp/i386/dev directory which is the /dev directory for terminals should fix my problem. I belive that it does exist a command for this because I remmember to have used it before :). I also would like to know if someone has already here configured local devices. Is there a howto to do that? In Frame's howto I've seen that I need local apps supprt. since my machines are thin terminals, I can't really know wheter I've configured it well or not. BTW, a '/etc/init.d/ypserv start' in my server fails to me to now, do I really need this configured? Finally, I have some doubts: in Frame's howto I've seen that local devices are mounted in /tmp. Is that server's /tmp directory or terminal's /tmp directory? I think this important because if it's terminal's directory, in order to be accessed graphically in the terminal, as the X server runs in the server, that directory should be mounted via NFS in the server. AS you have noticed, I'm a bit lost, I told you before :P. Any help will be welcome! Thanks you all, Edulix. PD: I apologise my bad english. [1] http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Mar 19 15:23:00 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:23:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting from 2003 to K12LTSP Message-ID: We at the are discussing moving from an all win 2003 domain to K12-ltsp Below is the current configuration of our network at Middle school (our test school) Firewall (Sonicwall) 2 AD Domain controller 1 Fileserver 1 proxy server (This is currently linux) Print Server 1500 Users 400 desktops Some aps: SASI Follet SNAP We are trying to think of the best upgrade path (over time say 1 year) to make this happen. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Joe Faletra From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 19 15:26:46 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:26:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them In-Reply-To: References: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <20040319102646.77420d19.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > I'm hoping that bill_c (of ppc-ltsp fame) will be at LFNW next month! Who is this bill_c? I've never heard of him, and I might like to meet that fella. :) I'm likely rolling out a hundred or so PowerMac5500 machines next year as thick clients, and want to make the install/boot process as slim and reproducible as possible. (In fact, debian is installing on one in front of me right now...) There are a few issues I'd really like to talk to such a person about, like remote flash, sound, and accelerated video. (These little beauties have nice ati mach64 chipsets) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Fri Mar 19 15:34:24 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:34:24 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] Converting from 2003 to K12LTSP Message-ID: <12580700.1079710464937.JavaMail.oracle@linares> > We at the are discussing moving from an all win 2003 domain to K12-ltsp > Below is the current configuration of our network at Middle school > (our test school) > Firewall (Sonicwall) > 2 AD Domain controller > 1 Fileserver > 1 proxy server (This is currently linux) > Print Server > 1500 Users > 400 desktops > Some aps: > SASI > Follet > SNAP > We are trying to think of the best upgrade path (over time say 1 year) > to make this happen. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Joe Faletra Uhm, are you going to use local devices in the terminals ? If so, It would be a good idea a paper about how you did it so that others could reproducte it. Here in Spain we're installing linux all over the goverment, but as there're some local distros developed by a company for the goverment, K12LTSP is not the favorite.. But I think that it would be a truly interesting documentation about how someone has not only reduced the price of software but the price of hardware using linux. Good luck, Edulix. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 19 07:58:03 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:58:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Mirror (again) In-Reply-To: <20040318140249.5357bc98.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: >I see currently on the mesd rsync server, there are separate settings for: > >K12LTSP-all and also >K12LTSP-apt K12LTSP-all maps to: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.0.1/ K12LTSP-apt maps to: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/ >Since most of the RPMS exist in both, is it safe to assume there is some sym linking that occurs on the actual server? I would like to set up similar symlinking on my end, so as to save mucho bandwidth and space. > >I would also like to keep the updates, etc for 7.3, 8.0, etc -- which the K12LTSP-apt:: does... The "hardlink" utility does wonders for disk space: hardlink -v ./dir1 ./dir2 ./dir3 will walk through the directories ./dir1, ./dir2, ./dir3 and create hardlinks for any duplicated files. >My end goal is to be able to install K12LTSP with a couple floppies, and then run apt-get to update the server once installed, all using my local mirror. (Actually, for our entire ESD, not just for my installs) > >Is this as simple as it seems to me? Can I just symlink some directories to get my cake and eat it too? If you want to suck down just a FTP/HTTP/NFS installable image, rsync to k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-all/i386/ "K12LTSP-all" will pull down the ISOs, the install image, etc. By specifying a subdirectory, you can narrow that down if you wish. This is how I do all of my installs internally. I boot off floppies or boot.iso and I do a FTP install. -Eric From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 19 15:43:08 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:43:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Mirror (again) In-Reply-To: References: <20040318140249.5357bc98.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040319104308.67fc9a2c.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > The "hardlink" utility does wonders for disk space: > > hardlink -v ./dir1 ./dir2 ./dir3 > > will walk through the directories ./dir1, ./dir2, ./dir3 and create > hardlinks for any duplicated files. Wonderful... BUT, does this mean I rsync the whole bugger once (both repositories, apt and i386), and then use "hardlink" to save the space afterwards? Never used the hardlink util, but I use hardlinking in my rsync backup technique -- it does work perfectly. Thanks a bunch, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca Fri Mar 19 15:45:17 2004 From: Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca (Galea, Luke) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:45:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] x0rfbserver MIT-SHM failure Message-ID: <04Mar19.104320est.119169@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> Hi all! I'm using k12LTSP with Openmosix and am attempting to use x0rfbserver, but whenever a connection is made with the server, the x0rfbserver crashes and displays an error indicating problems access shared memory via MIT-SHM.. I can post the exact error if needed, but searches on the error text have resulted in nothing.. The error indicates the exact packet number, etc.. but nothing especially usefull in debugging. 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URL: From dalen at czexan.net Fri Mar 19 15:47:42 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:47:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] truly thin client Message-ID: <405B161E.5090708@czexan.net> I saw a blip about this at theinquirer.net and then found this picture on the via web site. http://www.via.com.tw/en/images/Products/eden/esp_nano-itx_H.jpg I wonder what they will cost w/ram? I can picture the k12 lunch box case mods on slashdot:) From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 19 16:01:56 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:01:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to getthem In-Reply-To: <20040319102646.77420d19.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <003e01c40dcb$843bcbd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I would really like to see a package for Bondi iMacs -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:27 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to getthem Eric Harrison wrote: > I'm hoping that bill_c (of ppc-ltsp fame) will be at LFNW next month! Who is this bill_c? I've never heard of him, and I might like to meet that fella. :) I'm likely rolling out a hundred or so PowerMac5500 machines next year as thick clients, and want to make the install/boot process as slim and reproducible as possible. (In fact, debian is installing on one in front of me right now...) There are a few issues I'd really like to talk to such a person about, like remote flash, sound, and accelerated video. (These little beauties have nice ati mach64 chipsets) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.629 / Virus Database: 403 - Release Date: 3/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.629 / Virus Database: 403 - Release Date: 3/17/2004 From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Mar 19 16:13:38 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:13:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them In-Reply-To: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <405B1C32.9010901@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Chris Kacoroski wrote: > Hi, > > We are considering a LTSP project and am wondering the following: > > 1. If there is any difference to how LTSP is set and configured if you > have a diskless or diskfull client. Does it make a difference on the > network load? Server load? With a diskfull client I am assuming you > could cache some stuff on the disk. > > 2. Options for getting clients. So far I am looking at: > > a) buy diskless workstation terminals like the Term 150 > b) buy parts and have the local kids build small form factor diskless > workstations > c) use old macs (of which we have a lot). concerned about maintenance > issues here > d) donated pc's. concerned about variability and viability here. B and D are virtually the same. Just make sure that you use PCI NICs (and I would standardize onto one specific type of NIC - preferrably one that has a boot ROM - you can buy one from disklessworkstations.com). Also, you can standardize onto a specific motherboard that has built in audio/video, OR just make sure you have PCI audio/video cards (AGP is fine for video). -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 19 17:04:11 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:04:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to get them In-Reply-To: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <6131E96C-7936-11D8-83AB-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <1079715851.7647.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 17:45, Chris Kacoroski wrote: > a) buy diskless workstation terminals like the Term 150 > b) buy parts and have the local kids build small form factor diskless > workstations > c) use old macs (of which we have a lot). concerned about maintenance > issues here > d) donated pc's. concerned about variability and viability here. > If you aren't sure you'll always want diskless but you still want something small and easy to move around, this unit isn't much bigger than a CD player: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=168286&sku=N52-1043 I have an older version and it has been handy for testing things and temporary setups. You might need to chain them down, though... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Fri Mar 19 17:13:41 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:13:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on diskless vs diskfull clients & how to getthem In-Reply-To: <003e01c40dcb$843bcbd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003e01c40dcb$843bcbd0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <405B2A45.4060906@sages.us> I, too, would like to get K12LTSP running on Bondi iMacs. You could put YellowDog on the Bondis and run them as thick clients using X. But a thin client solution using Bondis would be nice. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I would really like to see a package for Bondi iMacs > > > From timwentford at hotmail.com Fri Mar 19 17:50:14 2004 From: timwentford at hotmail.com (Tim Wentford) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:50:14 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: truly thin client References: <20040319170032.A8814748B5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > I saw a blip about this at theinquirer.net and then found this picture > on the via web site. > http://www.via.com.tw/en/images/Products/eden/esp_nano-itx_H.jpg > I wonder what they will cost w/ram? > I can picture the k12 lunch box case mods on slashdot:) Here is the first product that I know of based on it: http://www.mini-itx.com/news/nanode/ Cheers Tim From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 18:02:47 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:02:47 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? Message-ID: <031920041802.3901.5022@comcast.net> Can anyone shed light on why the java plug-in does not work in Moz 1.6 with the following site? I have the latest up-to-date versions of Java (via the Additional software), the symbolic link in the mozilla/plugins directory points to the correct plugins. Java is enabled in preferences, but ... doesn't work. A teacher wants to use http://illuminations.nctm.org/imath/6-8/PoolTable/pool1.html Is it the site? Wits end. Dave Hopkins From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 19 18:19:19 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:19:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old Message-ID: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> Back when I was 8 years old (about 20 years ago now!), I programmed in BASIC on my Timex Sinclair 1000 and Atari 1200XL computers. Today, I've been asked to tutor a very smart (but currently far too Windows-saavy for his and his parents' own good) 8 year old kid. He's got a Pentium (which doesn't work, and it sounds like Windows is broken), and I'm thinking of installing Linux for him. (He's used it before, and likes what he's seen.) I think he's ready to start picking up programming, as it will provide him with a creative outlet for all that computer geek energy he has. What's a good, kid-friendly language for today's kids to use (on Linux, of course!)? I've though about picking up some Python and passing my knowledge on to him, but of course I'd rather ask the educators and other experts on various mailing lists for suggestions, since many of you have already dealt with this problem before. :^) Thanks in advance! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Check out the new, improved Tux Paint site! http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 19 18:26:43 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:26:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20040319132643.0a4ff96e.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Bill Kendrick wrote: > I've though about picking up some Python and passing my knowledge on to him, > but of course I'd rather ask the educators and other experts on various > mailing lists for suggestions, since many of you have already dealt with > this problem be I haven't taught a class in it yet (next year... fingers crossed) but I would think python would be a wonderful language to start with. There are a few great resources for "teaching the basics" -- and it's worth looking at some of them. I'm sure opinions will vary, but I agree with your Python thought. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From icon at linux.duke.edu Fri Mar 19 18:29:54 2004 From: icon at linux.duke.edu (Konstantin Ryabitsev) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> Message-ID: <405B3C22.5040506@linux.duke.edu> Bill Kendrick wrote: > I've though about picking up some Python and passing my knowledge on to him, > but of course I'd rather ask the educators and other experts on various > mailing lists for suggestions, since many of you have already dealt with > this problem before. Python is a very good general-purpose scripting language that will teach the kid good programming practices right from the start. :) Regards, -- Konstantin ("Icon") Ryabitsev Duke Physics Systems Admin, RHCE I am looking for a job in Canada! http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/cajob.ptml -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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OK, so they are tiny, toy programs, but still with input/output and simple caculations. Cheers, Vern Shawn Powers wrote: > Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> I've though about picking up some Python and passing my knowledge >> on to him, but of course I'd rather ask the educators and other >> experts on various mailing lists for suggestions, since many of you >> have already dealt with this problem be > > > I haven't taught a class in it yet (next year... fingers crossed) but > I would think python would be a wonderful language to start with. > There are a few great resources for "teaching the basics" -- and it's > worth looking at some of them. > > I'm sure opinions will vary, but I agree with your Python thought. > > > -Shawn > > -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 19 18:54:30 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:54:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <20040319132643.0a4ff96e.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> <20040319132643.0a4ff96e.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040319185430.GC6659@sonic.net> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:26:43PM -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > I haven't taught a class in it yet (next year... fingers crossed) > but I would think python would be a wonderful language to start > with. So so far (including my own guess that it's a good idea), I count three votes for Python. ;^) > There are a few great resources for "teaching the basics" -- > and it's worth looking at some of them. Got any refs? Is there any content (website or books) that are actually written FOR kids? (Like the old BASIC books I had 20yr ago) Thx! -bill! From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 19 18:49:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:49:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <405B3C22.5040506@linux.duke.edu> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> <405B3C22.5040506@linux.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1079722187.7647.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 12:29, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > Python is a very good general-purpose scripting language that will teach > the kid good programming practices right from the start. :) > But if you want them to ever be able to deal with other languages you should warn them that it is unusual (no, bizarre...) for whitespace to be significant. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Mar 19 19:00:14 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:00:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Mirror (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405B433E.8050204@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Eric Harrison wrote: >>My end goal is to be able to install K12LTSP with a couple floppies, and then run apt-get to update the server once installed, all using my local mirror. (Actually, for our entire ESD, not just for my installs) >> >>Is this as simple as it seems to me? Can I just symlink some directories to get my cake and eat it too? > > > If you want to suck down just a FTP/HTTP/NFS installable image, rsync to > k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-all/i386/ > > "K12LTSP-all" will pull down the ISOs, the install image, etc. By specifying > a subdirectory, you can narrow that down if you wish. > > This is how I do all of my installs internally. I boot off floppies or > boot.iso and I do a FTP install. > > -Eric Has anyone got a HOWTO for doing this? This sounds great to me, but I'm just barely moving from *newbie* status to *grommet* (a surfing term for you non-surfers). I'd like to install all my future Linux boxes via ftp or http from a server (apt-get mirror?) in my network. It may not seem difficult to the *locals*, but it seems overwhelming to me at this stage of my jedi training. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 19 19:07:20 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:07:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? In-Reply-To: <031920041802.3901.5022@comcast.net> References: <031920041802.3901.5022@comcast.net> Message-ID: <405B44E8.9080300@maltzen.net> Doesn't work for me, either (Moz 1.6b, Java 1.4.2). This seems to happen regularly, although it's gotten much better since 1.6. Petre dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Can anyone shed light on why the java plug-in does not work in Moz 1.6 with the following site? I have the latest up-to-date versions of Java (via the Additional software), the symbolic link in the mozilla/plugins directory points to the correct plugins. Java is enabled in preferences, but ... doesn't work. > > A teacher wants to use > > http://illuminations.nctm.org/imath/6-8/PoolTable/pool1.html > > Is it the site? > > Wits end. > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From FWS4 at CDRH.FDA.GOV Fri Mar 19 19:08:12 2004 From: FWS4 at CDRH.FDA.GOV (Samuelson, Frank*) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:08:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old Message-ID: <644D9337A02FC24689647BF9E48EC39E08ABB7A8@drm556> How soon you forget FORTRAN. :) Not that I'm recommending that be taught, of course. -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 1:50 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 12:29, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > Python is a very good general-purpose scripting language that will teach > the kid good programming practices right from the start. :) > But if you want them to ever be able to deal with other languages you should warn them that it is unusual (no, bizarre...) for whitespace to be significant. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From vceder at canterburyschool.org Fri Mar 19 19:11:05 2004 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:11:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <1079722187.7647.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> <405B3C22.5040506@linux.duke.edu> <1079722187.7647.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <405B45C9.6040803@canterburyschool.org> Actually, we've had kids go from C++ and Java to Python and from Python to Java, and the whitespace issue doesn't seem to be a problem at all after a day or two... Vern Les Mikesell wrote: > But if you want them to ever be able to deal with other languages > you should warn them that it is unusual (no, bizarre...) for whitespace > to be significant. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 19 19:11:10 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:11:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <20040319185430.GC6659@sonic.net> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> <20040319132643.0a4ff96e.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <20040319185430.GC6659@sonic.net> Message-ID: <405B45CE.1010007@inlandlakes.org> Bill Kendrick wrote: > Got any refs? Is there any content (website or books) that are actually > written FOR kids? (Like the old BASIC books I had 20yr ago) Great, now you got me all pumped about Python again... way to go Bill... ;o) I haven't specifically looked for young kids, my age group would have been (and hopefully will be) early HS age. I'll google a bit, but here are some links that are interesting, albeit not elementary. http://www.prescod.net/python/why.html http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ http://www.thinkware.se/cgi-bin/thinki.cgi/PythonDocs -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 19:12:17 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:12:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? Message-ID: <031920041912.4944.385c@comcast.net> Perhaps bad form to reply to own message, but ... If you have the latest Mozilla 1.4 or later installed, you need the latest jre as mentioned at http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/java.html >From Sun's website: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.jsp And then create a link as described on the Mozilla site. Just running the upgrade script in the Additional Software folder will not do it. Penalty paid for upgrading mozilla (to fix something else, no less). Sorry, Dave Hopkins From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 19:14:48 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:14:48 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? Message-ID: <031920041914.24831.454@comcast.net> Petre, See my reply to myself. Also, I am linking to /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so version, so perhaps this will work for you. Mozilla for me is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Doesn't work for me, either (Moz 1.6b, Java 1.4.2). This seems to happen > regularly, although it's gotten much better since 1.6. > > Petre > > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Can anyone shed light on why the java plug-in does not work in Moz 1.6 with > the following site? I have the latest up-to-date versions of Java (via the > Additional software), the symbolic link in the mozilla/plugins directory points > to the correct plugins. Java is enabled in preferences, but ... doesn't work. > > > > A teacher wants to use > > > > http://illuminations.nctm.org/imath/6-8/PoolTable/pool1.html > > > > Is it the site? > > > > Wits end. > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 19 19:15:17 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:15:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Mirror (again) In-Reply-To: <405B433E.8050204@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <405B433E.8050204@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <405B46C5.1020303@inlandlakes.org> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Has anyone got a HOWTO for doing this? This sounds great to me, but I'm As soon as I get it going (hopefully this weekend) I promise to post it. I've never been able to get the wiki to work, but that should be the easiest part of the equation. :) I *thankfully* have the apt repository already mirrored (well, a month old) so I dont' have to redownload all the 7.3, 8.0, etc packages again. But I couldn't get it to work as an update location due to a problem with GPG signatures... It's been a while since I've tried though, so perhaps it's just a matter of importing the key from eric's site... I will keep you posted. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 19 19:19:41 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:19:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <405B45CE.1010007@inlandlakes.org> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> <20040319132643.0a4ff96e.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <20040319185430.GC6659@sonic.net> <405B45CE.1010007@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040319191941.GC7858@sonic.net> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 02:11:10PM -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > > http://www.prescod.net/python/why.html > http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ > http://www.thinkware.se/cgi-bin/thinki.cgi/PythonDocs Sweet! Thanks! :^) I'll check them out later today, or tonight... or... you know, when I actually have time. I will NOT check them out right now. No! Bad Bill! Get back to work!!! -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 19 19:40:33 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:40:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Python book recommendation (Was: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old) In-Reply-To: <405B45CE.1010007@inlandlakes.org> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> <20040319132643.0a4ff96e.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <20040319185430.GC6659@sonic.net> <405B45CE.1010007@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040319194033.GB11533@sonic.net> Okay, so I hit www.nerdbooks.com and typed "python" into the search box. Of all the books they had listed and available, I've picked the following as 'potential buys', mostly based on their title and relative publication date: Any comments on any of these? learning python, 2nd ed python in a nutshell the complete python training course the complete python training course (student edition) python programming for the absolute beginner learn to program using python python: how to program programming python I found O'Reilly's "Learning Perl" fabulous to learn the basics of Perl. Of course, just because "Learning Python" has a similar title doesn't mean it's going to be as good. ;^) I learned C in college with "C: How to Program" (which was a hilarious title... all of the others aren't nearly as funny ;^) ). It seemed quite good. I'm guessing their Python one will be similarly good. "In a Nutshell" might not be a good learning book, but O'Reilly has always had good books, so I'm guessing it, at the very least, won't suck ;^) The "Training Course" ones might be good: one book for me, one for the kid I'm tutoring. Of course, they might be college-level books. Hehe.. Anyway, I've thrown them out here. What do people think? I might call the owner of Nerdbooks.com to ask what he thinks, since he seems to know at least a little about every damned book he's got in stock :) -bill! From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Mar 19 19:48:01 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:48:01 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old Message-ID: <031920041948.3730.152d@comcast.net> But Fortran is the language of High Performance Computing! I use it everyday at work. :) Seriously, don't teach it first. Java, Python or anything else OO first. Fortran 2000 (or whatever it ends up being) will be OO as well and if the kids choose Engineering/technical (like me), then they will learn it (one way or the other). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > How soon you forget FORTRAN. :) > Not that I'm recommending that be taught, of course. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 1:50 PM > To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old > > > On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 12:29, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > > > Python is a very good general-purpose scripting language that will teach > > the kid good programming practices right from the start. :) > > > > But if you want them to ever be able to deal with other languages > you should warn them that it is unusual (no, bizarre...) for whitespace > to be significant. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 19 20:06:41 2004 From: rrobnett at skusd.k12.ca.us (Bob Robnett) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:06:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <031920041948.3730.152d@comcast.net> Message-ID: Whatever you teach them, teach them to program first---Input, Output, Processing; pseudocode; document, document, document. Bob Robnett -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of dahopkins at comcast.net Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:48 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old But Fortran is the language of High Performance Computing! I use it everyday at work. :) Seriously, don't teach it first. Java, Python or anything else OO first. Fortran 2000 (or whatever it ends up being) will be OO as well and if the kids choose Engineering/technical (like me), then they will learn it (one way or the other). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > How soon you forget FORTRAN. :) > Not that I'm recommending that be taught, of course. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 1:50 PM > To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old > > > On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 12:29, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > > > Python is a very good general-purpose scripting language that will teach > > the kid good programming practices right from the start. :) > > > > But if you want them to ever be able to deal with other languages > you should warn them that it is unusual (no, bizarre...) for whitespace > to be significant. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Fri Mar 19 20:06:48 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:06:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: References: <031920041948.3730.152d@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040319200648.GA17273@sonic.net> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 12:06:41PM -0800, Bob Robnett wrote: > Whatever you teach them, teach them to program first---Input, Output, > Processing; pseudocode; document, document, document. Bah! That's all the boring stuff that one only does if they're paid to ;^) (KIDDING!) -bill! From johnnyb at eskimo.com Fri Mar 19 20:13:45 2004 From: johnnyb at eskimo.com (Jonathan Bartlett) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:13:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <20040319200648.GA17273@sonic.net> References: <031920041948.3730.152d@comcast.net> <20040319200648.GA17273@sonic.net> Message-ID: A quick plug but it seems ontopic. If anyone's interested, I just finished writing a book on learning to program with Linux assembly language. It might require more math than an 8-year-old can handle, but I know at least one person who is using it to teach programming to their 13-year-old (NOTE - the math isn't difficult, it's just that we talk about record offsets early one). It's called Programming from the Ground Up and is available at http://www.cafeshops.com/bartlettpublish.8640017 Also there is an ebook version available online at http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/pgubook/ I think schools generally would be able to benefit from this, except that it doesn't really match up with the AP curriculum. Jon From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 19 20:19:05 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:19:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? In-Reply-To: <031920041914.24831.454@comcast.net> References: <031920041914.24831.454@comcast.net> Message-ID: <405B55B9.9030708@maltzen.net> So, that site is working for you now? I've already got that same link in my ~/.mozilla/plugins directory: lrwxrwxrwx 1 pscheie pscheie 67 Mar 1 08:27 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_03/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so* Petre dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Petre, > > See my reply to myself. Also, I am linking to > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so version, so perhaps this will work for you. > > Mozilla for me is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > >>Doesn't work for me, either (Moz 1.6b, Java 1.4.2). This seems to happen >>regularly, although it's gotten much better since 1.6. >> >>Petre >> >>dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >> >>>Can anyone shed light on why the java plug-in does not work in Moz 1.6 with >> >>the following site? I have the latest up-to-date versions of Java (via the >>Additional software), the symbolic link in the mozilla/plugins directory points >>to the correct plugins. Java is enabled in preferences, but ... doesn't work. >> >>>A teacher wants to use >>> >>>http://illuminations.nctm.org/imath/6-8/PoolTable/pool1.html >>> >>>Is it the site? >>> >>>Wits end. >>>Dave Hopkins >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From icon at linux.duke.edu Fri Mar 19 20:15:30 2004 From: icon at linux.duke.edu (Konstantin Ryabitsev) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:15:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <1079722187.7647.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> <405B3C22.5040506@linux.duke.edu> <1079722187.7647.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <405B54E2.8050701@linux.duke.edu> Les Mikesell wrote: > But if you want them to ever be able to deal with other languages > you should warn them that it is unusual (no, bizarre...) for whitespace > to be significant. I don't see how that would be a problem. And existance of things like auto-indentation tools tells me that whitespace *is* significant in other languages as well, people are just too reluctant to admit it. :) Regards, -- Konstantin ("Icon") Ryabitsev Duke Physics Systems Admin, RHCE I am looking for a job in Canada! http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/cajob.ptml -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And existance of things like > auto-indentation tools tells me that whitespace *is* significant in > other languages as well, people are just too reluctant to admit it. :) I think if this were your first language you might expect a loop to work because it looks like it should work instead of following the block delimiters to see what it really does. Also, I usually write the inside parts of loops first without knowing how deeply they will be nested - kind of like building a brick without knowing how tall the building will be. With explicit delimiters I can wait until everything is in place before letting an auto-indent tool make it pretty. If the indentation mattered, I'd waste a lot of time adjusting every time an enclosing level is added. Is there an editor function to do that for you in python without figuring out how many lines you need to shift? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Fri Mar 19 21:08:53 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:08:53 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old Message-ID: "Samuelson, Frank*" wrote: >> How soon you forget FORTRAN. :) << Ah, but there it was the column position on the punch card that was significant. Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Fri Mar 19 22:59:11 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:59:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Python Tutorial In-Reply-To: <20040319194040.1C5A773538@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000601c40e05$cbe16c30$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Bill, This is a link to the "survey" course I taught in a computer tech class. It was fairly easy for me to follow (important because I have had not programming since BASIC back in the dark ages) and the students seemed to enjoy it. http://rupert.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/ Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy I.T. Coordinator ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:11:10 -0500 From: Shawn Powers Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." Message-ID: <405B45CE.1010007 at inlandlakes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Bill Kendrick wrote: > Got any refs? Is there any content (website or books) that are actually > written FOR kids? (Like the old BASIC books I had 20yr ago) Great, now you got me all pumped about Python again... way to go Bill... ;o) I haven't specifically looked for young kids, my age group would have been (and hopefully will be) early HS age. I'll google a bit, but here are some links that are interesting, albeit not elementary. http://www.prescod.net/python/why.html http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ http://www.thinkware.se/cgi-bin/thinki.cgi/PythonDocs From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Mar 20 01:40:19 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:40:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Prototype of a K12LTSP web page for our district... Message-ID: Hi folks What a cold can do! During the last few days I've had a chance to address what I consider has been neglected in our own K-12 school district in West Texas (El Paso ISD) - a small informational web page that administrators and teachers can look at for a glimpse of Linux, Open Source, and all that geeky stuff. If you have a few minutes please check this site out - it is still lacking real pictures of the labs and kids at work, their comments and products... http://links.episd.org/K12Linux/ Suggestions on changes/updates/corrections, etc are, as usual, welcomed. cheers Alan A Hodson aahodson at episd.org -=o=- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Mar 19 19:56:21 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:56:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> References: <20040319181919.GB2232@sonic.net> Message-ID: <405B5065.90309@cmosnetworks.com> For the eight-year-old, I actually would recommend REXX. Yes, REXX. It's easy as all heck, it scales from PCs to mainframes (on which it was first invented), it's interpreted, and it's easy to debug. You can get native REXX interpreters even for Windows very easily (Regina REXX comes w/ the Resource Kit and is GPL'd). There's exactly one variable type: string. Yes, I know that the C purists will complain, "Oh, it won't prepare him for typed languages! Calamity!" Hey, the kid's eight years old; he's got time. As he gets older, I would suggest Pascal. Pascal is, in my experience, a very good language for teaching good, solid programming discipline; I think colleges were absolutely stupid to abandon it. I knew several C programmers, and those who'd learned Pascal first tended to have cleaner code than the ones who first learned w/ C. Yes, I know, "nobody uses it anymore," but they use Smalltalk in CompSci for OO concepts for a very good reason. And no, I can't program anymore hardly to save my life; it's been too many years. :-( --TP Bill Kendrick wrote: >Back when I was 8 years old (about 20 years ago now!), I programmed in >BASIC on my Timex Sinclair 1000 and Atari 1200XL computers. > >Today, I've been asked to tutor a very smart (but currently far >too Windows-saavy for his and his parents' own good) 8 year old kid. > >He's got a Pentium (which doesn't work, and it sounds like Windows is >broken), and I'm thinking of installing Linux for him. (He's used it before, >and likes what he's seen.) I think he's ready to start picking up >programming, as it will provide him with a creative outlet for all that >computer geek energy he has. > > >What's a good, kid-friendly language for today's kids to use (on Linux, >of course!)? > >I've though about picking up some Python and passing my knowledge on to him, >but of course I'd rather ask the educators and other experts on various >mailing lists for suggestions, since many of you have already dealt with >this problem before. > >:^) > >Thanks in advance! > >-bill! >bill at newbreedsoftware.com Check out the new, improved Tux Paint site! >http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Mar 20 01:02:10 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:32:10 +0530 Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Re: [K12OSN] new server serial ATA or SCSI In-Reply-To: <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1077131920.4702.27.camel@techstation.fernridge.k12.or.us> <023101c3f6c3$9dfa7b80$692a1318@attbi.com> <6BF2F478-62FF-11D8-BCCC-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <1077763735.4078.22.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1079744530.19519.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 08:18, Sudev Barar wrote: > I could not make out why variation in timing for /dev/mdo and /dev/md1 > made across the same two scsi drives in second server. Nor could I make > out the difference in timings returned from IDE drives on third server > as both are of the same specs. [SNIP] > Server three: Two IDE drives in raid0 array > /dev/md0: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.54 seconds =237.04 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.65 seconds = 38.79 MB/sec > > /dev/md1: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.53 seconds =241.51 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.63 seconds = 39.26 MB/sec > > /dev/hda: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.56 seconds =228.57 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.23 seconds = 52.03 MB/sec > > /dev/hdc: > Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.58 seconds =220.69 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.26 seconds = 28.32 MB/sec Catching up on my own post and questions. For any one who is interested it turned out that the IDE cable in the third server was faulty and the drive was giving slower speeds. AFter the change the following results are now given: /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.55 seconds =232.73 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.23 seconds = 52.03 MB/sec /dev/hdc: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.55 seconds =232.73 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.42 seconds = 45.07 MB/sec /dev/md0: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.56 seconds =228.57 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.04 seconds = 61.54 MB/sec /dev/md1: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.56 seconds =228.57 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.04 seconds = 61.54 MB/sec Improvement from 38 to 60 MB/sec !!! So apart from debate about SATA / SCSI the hardware issues also [play important role. This was a major learning for me. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Mar 20 02:47:29 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:47:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Prototype of a K12LTSP web page for our district... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <405BB0C1.8060000@snet.net> Nice, but did you create that using Inspiration on a Linux box (via Wine)? Or did you use a Mac or Windows PC? tony Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > What a cold can do! During the last few days I've had a chance to > address what I consider has been neglected in our own K-12 school > district in West Texas (El Paso ISD) - a small informational web page > that administrators and teachers can look at for a glimpse of Linux, > Open Source, and all that geeky stuff. > > If you have a few minutes please check this site out - it is still > lacking real pictures of the labs and kids at work, their comments and > products... > > http://links.episd.org/K12Linux/ > > Suggestions on changes/updates/corrections, etc are, as usual, welcomed. > > cheers > Alan A Hodson > aahodson at episd.org > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 20 04:40:55 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:40:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Test mozilla update packages for K12LTSP 3.1.x Message-ID: A security update for Mozilla came out this week. This is one of the very few RH packages that has been modified in K12LTSP (the only change is the default homepage and the bookmarks). I built a new version for K12LTSP, but since all my test systems are being used for development of the next major K12LTSP release I have not had the chance to test these. Rather than holding them up, I dropped them into my "testing" directory. If you have the opprotunity to test these out, please do so and let us know if they worked perfectly or if you ran into problems: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ -Eric From durgaprasad_guda at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 05:09:21 2004 From: durgaprasad_guda at yahoo.com (durgaprasad guda) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:09:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old Message-ID: <20040320050921.98936.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com> I neither taught 8yr olds nor am I an expert in Ruby Language But I feel 'Ruby Language' is the right candidate , give it a try. And don't bother about indentation or white spaces. http://ruby-lang.org/en/ Prasad Retired Professor in Electrical Engg. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From marko.owens at btopenworld.com Sat Mar 20 08:34:42 2004 From: marko.owens at btopenworld.com (Mark Owens) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:34:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO: Good programming language to teach an 8yr old In-Reply-To: <20040320050921.98936.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040320050921.98936.qmail@web40413.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200403200834.43242.marko.owens@btopenworld.com> What about Smalltalk? There are plenty of dialects, but Squeak looks FUN! Try http://www.SqueakLand.org/ This site contains lots of stuff for kids and schools. Mark From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Sat Mar 20 19:04:13 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:04:13 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh not working Message-ID: <13754571.1079809453032.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hi people: I'm very happy because I've finally got working local devices in my terminals!! However, this is my test bed installation at home; I'll write a success howto taking notes about the steps I've executed when I configure local devices in the production server. Now, thanks to supermount I can read the local cdrom devices of the LTSP terminals. Moreover, they're mounted/unmounted in demand (that is supermount behaviour). However, I cannot access them in my X terminal, because Xterminal are running in the LTSP server (but being displayed in the LTTSP terminal screen). The howto I'm basing on [1] fix this problem mounting the /tmp/mnt directory with LUFS [2] via SSH. And SSH is being problematic here, because instead of letting me to access to a remote shell to the terminal, it asks me for a password. I've tried $ ssh edulix uptime and I'm firstly asked if that server is trusted, then for a password. The script /usr/local/bin/termstart.sh is executed wherever a user logins in the LTSP terminal graphically (gdm) and it manages the SSH public/private keys and then tries to mount the /tm/mnt directory of the LTSP terminal as explained before. Actually, as the X terminal is running in the server, the user is logining in and using the LTSP server. As you can see, what the script do is slightly different from what is explained in [3]. I'd like to figure out which is the problem, then what could the solution be. Normaly, the ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub file is in the SSH client home directory of the user using ssh (that SSH client is in our case the LTSP server), and the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file is in the SSH server home directory of the user the ssh client is trying to connect to (that SSH server is in our case the LTSP terminal). ------------------------------- (/usr/local/bin/termstart.sh): #!/bin/sh TERMINAL=`echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1` echo TERMINAL: $TERMINAL > $HOME/.termlog echo USER: $USER >> $HOME/.termlog echo ------------------------ if [ $TERMINAL ]; then if [ -e $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa ]; then rm -f $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa rm -f $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys2 echo $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa exists - Deleting... >> $HOME/.termlog fi if [ ! -d $HOME/mnt ]; then echo $HOME/mnt doesnt exists - Creating... >> $HOME/.termlog mkdir $HOME/mnt else echo $HOME/mnt exists... >> $HOME/.termlog fi ssh-keygen -q -t rsa -f $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa -P '' cp -p $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa.pub $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys2 chmod 700 $HOME/.ssh/ chmod 600 $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys2 lufsmount -O --dmask=644 --fmask=755 --opts=sync sshfs://$USER@$TERMINAL/tmp/mnt ~/mnt 2>> $HOME/.termlog | echo "lufsmount finnished abnormally" >> $HOME/.termlog fi echo All termstart done... >> $HOME/.termlog exit ------------------------------- (EOF) But I think that the termstart.sh script is a bit strange as it doesn't differentiates between SSH client and SSH server home directories! - What could I do in order to success in that lufsmount?? - Maybe the LTSP terminal should have mounted the /home directory of the server into its own /home directory, and I also should have added the users I have in the LTSP server to the LTSP client user list because it seems that it's trying to login in the ssh server into a user whose name is equal to the user of the ssh client. ???? - Maybe there is a problem with /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/sshd_config ? - Have you got any advice or information I should know ? Please, tell me what I should do in order to finally success with that lufsmount everytime I log in a X terminal in a LTSP terminal. Here can see the content of ~/.termlog.: ------------------------------- (/home/edulix/.termlog): TERMINAL: edulix.ltsp USER: edulix /home/edulix/.ssh/id_rsa exists - Deleting... /home/edulix/mnt exists... shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No existe el fichero o el directorio lufsmount finnished abnormally All termstart done... ------------------------------- (EOF) I must mention that I haven't developed the howto I'm basing on, and I should also mention that script was included in the howto, but I haven't contact with the howto's author at the time. He seem to have dissapeard. Thanks people now I'm very near to the end! Edulix. PD:I apologise my bad english. [1] http://smtp.active.ee/download/ltsp4_lda_v0.2.tar.gz [2] http://lufs.sf.net [3] http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.html#localapps From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Mar 20 19:48:55 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:48:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? Message-ID: <032020041948.23255.6566@comcast.net> Yes, the site now works. I installed the latest jre, created the link, dis-abled/re-enabled Java in Mozilla and .. it works. Note: before I dis-abled/re-enabled Java, java did not show up as a plug-in in the About Plug-ins. Dave Hopkins > So, that site is working for you now? I've already got that same link in my > ~/.mozilla/plugins directory: > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 pscheie pscheie 67 Mar 1 08:27 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_03/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so* > > Petre > > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Petre, > > > > See my reply to myself. Also, I am linking to > > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so version, > so perhaps this will work for you. > > > > Mozilla for me is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > >>Doesn't work for me, either (Moz 1.6b, Java 1.4.2). This seems to happen > >>regularly, although it's gotten much better since 1.6. > >> > >>Petre > >> > >>dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > >> > >>>Can anyone shed light on why the java plug-in does not work in Moz 1.6 with > >> > >>the following site? I have the latest up-to-date versions of Java (via the > >>Additional software), the symbolic link in the mozilla/plugins directory > points > >>to the correct plugins. Java is enabled in preferences, but ... doesn't work. > >> > >>>A teacher wants to use > >>> > >>>http://illuminations.nctm.org/imath/6-8/PoolTable/pool1.html > >>> > >>>Is it the site? > >>> > >>>Wits end. > >>>Dave Hopkins > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bart at banaticus.com Sat Mar 20 21:34:42 2004 From: bart at banaticus.com (Bart) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:34:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? In-Reply-To: <405B45C9.6040803@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <000101c40ec3$2a50da90$9d01a8c0@banaticus> How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? From jason at plug.ca Sat Mar 20 15:31:46 2004 From: jason at plug.ca (Jason Loughead) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:31:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent Appeal In-Reply-To: <04031511471500.00392@newguy> References: <4055D018.90502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <04031511471500.00392@newguy> Message-ID: <1079796705.28349.51.camel@localhost> Prairie Linux User Group has come into approximiately 30 computers for free from the University of Winnipeg. They are however missing cpu's (pentium I and 486 sx and dx's primarily) and ram 72 pin and 168 pin. We are asking for anyone who knows of a free or cheap supply of them to post to the mailing list. What we intend to do I stop the erosion of Open Source in University and Academia by obtaining one powerful machine (possibly an IBM donation) to serve as a terminal server for these low end machines. We may be able to enlist the help of C.T. Leung for technical help with performance issues, configuration etc since he has successfully setup LTSP at Sisler High School. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7418&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 Any advice, ideas, help would be greatly appreciated ( mail: info at plug.ca ) Sincerely Jason Loughead jason at plug.ca From quecosa65 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 20 22:10:18 2004 From: quecosa65 at hotmail.com (raq alzate) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:10:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? Message-ID: I don really know your problem could be, you already said you made the symbolic link to /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_03/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so , you you made it symbolic? because if it is a hard link it wont work. $/home/pscheie./mozila/plugins/ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_03/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin_oji.so chek out in Help > About-Plug-ins there you must see the java plug in conf. if you can see ava(TM) Plug-in 1.4.2_04-b05 then it is working :D 00- Ing. Ruben Alzate Quintero Instituto Tecnologico de Villahermosa Tab. Mexico >From: dahopkins at comcast.net >Reply-To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the >K12OS Linux distribution." >To: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS >Linux distribution." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Java plug-in not working? >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:48:55 +0000 >Received: from hormel.redhat.com ([209.132.177.30]) by mc4-f35.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:49:06 -0800 >Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com >[10.8.4.110])by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPid 4685373589; Sat, >20 Mar 2004 14:49:04 -0500 (EST) >Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com >(int-mx1.corp.redhat.com[172.16.52.254])by listman.util.phx.redhat.com >(8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP idi2KJn1RV008334 for >;Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:49:02 -0500 >Received: (from mail at localhost)by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) >id i2KJn1b32131for k12osn at listman.util.phx.redhat.com; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 >14:49:01 -0500 >Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [172.16.48.31])by >int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i2KJn1j32121for >; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:49:01 -0500 >Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net >[204.127.202.56])by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id >i2KJn1WA003068for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:49:01 -0500 >Received: from 204.127.205.144 ([204.127.205.144])by comcast.net >(sccrmhc12) with SMTPid <2004032019485501200a9cnne>; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 >19:48:55 +0000 >Received: from [68.82.179.178] by 204.127.205.144;Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:48:55 >+0000 >X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRij1tcu8A57p5u+X6/GE/4vI >Message-Id: <032020041948.23255.6566 at comcast.net> >X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 27 2003) >X-Authenticated-Sender: ZGFob3BraW5zQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 >X-RedHat-Blacklist-Warning: Relay 204.127.202.56 is blacklisted by SORBS >X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 1.486 * >X-Loop: k12osn at redhat.com >X-BeenThere: k12osn at redhat.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: junk >List-Id: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the >K12OSLinux distribution." >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >Return-Path: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 19:49:06.0401 (UTC) >FILETIME=[67591510:01C40EB4] > >Yes, the site now works. I installed the latest jre, created the link, >dis-abled/re-enabled Java in Mozilla and .. it works. Note: before I >dis-abled/re-enabled Java, java did not show up as a plug-in in the About >Plug-ins. > >Dave Hopkins > > So, that site is working for you now? I've already got that same link >in my > > ~/.mozilla/plugins directory: > > > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 pscheie pscheie 67 Mar 1 08:27 >libjavaplugin_oji.so -> > > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_03/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so* > > > > Petre > > > > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > Petre, > > > > > > See my reply to myself. Also, I am linking to > > > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so >version, > > so perhaps this will work for you. > > > > > > Mozilla for me is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Dave Hopkins > > > > > > > > >>Doesn't work for me, either (Moz 1.6b, Java 1.4.2). This seems to >happen > > >>regularly, although it's gotten much better since 1.6. > > >> > > >>Petre > > >> > > >>dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > >> > > >>>Can anyone shed light on why the java plug-in does not work in Moz >1.6 with > > >> > > >>the following site? I have the latest up-to-date versions of Java >(via the > > >>Additional software), the symbolic link in the mozilla/plugins >directory > > points > > >>to the correct plugins. Java is enabled in preferences, but ... >doesn't work. > > >> > > >>>A teacher wants to use > > >>> > > >>>http://illuminations.nctm.org/imath/6-8/PoolTable/pool1.html > > >>> > > >>>Is it the site? > > >>> > > >>>Wits end. > > >>>Dave Hopkins > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>K12OSN mailing list > > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>>For more info see > > >>> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see _________________________________________________________________ MSN. M?s ?til Cada D?a http://www.msn.es/intmap/ From icon at linux.duke.edu Sat Mar 20 22:29:47 2004 From: icon at linux.duke.edu (Konstantin Ryabitsev) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:29:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? In-Reply-To: <000101c40ec3$2a50da90$9d01a8c0@banaticus> References: <000101c40ec3$2a50da90$9d01a8c0@banaticus> Message-ID: <405CC5DB.20301@linux.duke.edu> Bart wrote: > How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? > HINT: > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Regards, -- Konstantin ("Icon") Ryabitsev Duke Physics Systems Admin, RHCE I am looking for a job in Canada! http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/cajob.ptml ANOTHER HINT: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cccs at teleport.com Sat Mar 20 23:32:44 2004 From: cccs at teleport.com (Rick Konold) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:32:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent Appeal In-Reply-To: <1079796705.28349.51.camel@localhost> References: <4055D018.90502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <04031511471500.00392@newguy> <1079796705.28349.51.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Saturday 20 March 2004 07:31, you hammered the keyboard to write: > Prairie Linux User Group has come into approximiately 30 computers for > free from the University of Winnipeg. They are however missing cpu's > (pentium I and 486 sx and dx's primarily) and ram 72 pin and 168 pin. We > are asking for anyone who knows of a free or cheap supply of them to > post to the mailing list. > > What we intend to do I stop the erosion of Open Source in University and > Academia by obtaining one powerful machine (possibly an IBM donation) to > serve as a terminal server for these low end machines. We may be able to > enlist the help of C.T. Leung for technical help with performance > issues, configuration etc since he has successfully setup LTSP at Sisler > High School. > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7418&mode=thread&order=0&thold= >0 > > Any advice, ideas, help would be greatly appreciated ( mail: > info at plug.ca ) > > Sincerely > Jason Loughead > jason at plug.ca >From Metropolitan Portland, Oregon, the birthplace of K12LTSP: I am the Sales Coordinator for Free Geek in Portland. We recycle computers to keep them out of landfills. The parts you are requesting are available here at no cost to you. We have a grant's program for non-profit organizations. See www.freegeek.org. However the parts you are seeking are available without going through the grants process. I can mail them to you directly if you provide 1) a full address for shipping. 2) a more detailed list of your needs (processor size/how many of each, type RAM SIMM/DIMM PC66). I will ship them at my own cost for your worthy project. Rick Konold Sales Coordinator & Linux Advocate www.freegeek.org rick at freegeek.org cccs at teleport.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Mar 20 23:27:04 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:27:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent Appeal In-Reply-To: <1079796705.28349.51.camel@localhost> References: <4055D018.90502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <04031511471500.00392@newguy> <1079796705.28349.51.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <405CD348.40101@netscape.net> Hi Jason, Have you tried either the Schoolnet organisation or reBoot Canada ? Both are non-profit organisations that recycle computers and donate, or charge a small fee for systems. We work with reBoot Montreal to obtain some of the hardware used to setup K12LTSP labs in schools and community centres in Montreal. Norbert A. Bedoucha CEO - XTlabs Corp www.xtlabs.org jason at plug.ca wrote: >Prairie Linux User Group has come into approximiately 30 computers for >free from the University of Winnipeg. They are however missing cpu's >(pentium I and 486 sx and dx's primarily) and ram 72 pin and 168 pin. We >are asking for anyone who knows of a free or cheap supply of them to >post to the mailing list. > >What we intend to do I stop the erosion of Open Source in University and >Academia by obtaining one powerful machine (possibly an IBM donation) to >serve as a terminal server for these low end machines. We may be able to >enlist the help of C.T. Leung for technical help with performance >issues, configuration etc since he has successfully setup LTSP at Sisler >High School. >http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7418&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 > >Any advice, ideas, help would be greatly appreciated ( mail: >info at plug.ca ) > >Sincerely >Jason Loughead >jason at plug.ca > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From haynest at mchsi.com Sun Mar 21 03:47:14 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:47:14 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? Message-ID: <032120040347.22387.17a0@mchsi.com> Try https://www.redhat.com/mailman/options/k12osn If you go to https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn from the bottom of each list message, you can unsub too. > How do I unsubscribe from this mailing list? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mellax at pm.ee Sun Mar 21 18:42:57 2004 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:42:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Hylafax & FC1 & OOO1.1 In-Reply-To: <20040321170017.5FDFA733AA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040321170017.5FDFA733AA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <405DE231.4070101@pm.ee> After moving to FC1, faxing from openoffice to hylafax is impossible. from commandline sendfax -n -d "12345" /etc/passwd working OK. From OOO spadmin it just not working. I even tried on fax command row in spadmin: cat "(TMP)" > "(PHONE)".ps Now I get perfect spadmin test page in appropriate ps file. Where is catch? I tried also on my testserv with no result. From robark at telus.net Sun Mar 21 21:01:53 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:01:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] prevent internet access Message-ID: <200403211301.53406.robark@telus.net> Going to setup K12ltsp in near future. Wondering if it's possible to have full internet access for a certain group like teachers but prevent another group like students from having full internet access? I only want students to be able to access sites I preselect for them. So I can just type the URL that I want them to have access to. Robert From edulix at andaluciajunta.es Sun Mar 21 21:40:26 2004 From: edulix at andaluciajunta.es (Eduardo Robles Elvira) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:40:26 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [K12OSN] GDM auto-login with specific users to specific terminals Message-ID: <20014573.1079905226977.JavaMail.oracle@linares> Hello people: Finally, I got ssh working, I only needed to uncomment the "/home.." line in /etc/export. Now I've been playing a cd (data cd as audio cd need xmms installed in terminal's root, I haven't tried it yet). Now I'm trying to autologin as specified in [1], but it doesn't seem to do nothing! I'm also trying to create a Halt and Reboot button in GDM, to reboot the machine. I've added: RebootCommand=ssh `echo ${DISPLAY} | cut -f1 -d: | awk -F . {' print $1 '}` reboot HaltCommand=ssh `echo ${DISPLAY} | cut -f1 -d: | awk -F . {' print $1 '}` poweroff But I can't see that buttons. Noth behavieurs are a bit extrange. My /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is attached to the email. What could the problem be? Cheers, Edulix. [1] http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDM auto-login with specific users to specific terminals?version=2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gdm.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 18240 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dloomis at cox-internet.com Sun Mar 21 21:44:12 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (dloomis at cox-internet.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:44:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients References: <20040321170017.44E49734E4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <008101c40f8d$a6697130$6500a8c0@TOSHIBA> Searching the listings on eBay for thin clients I have found lots of Win-CE & NT based units. Does anyone know if and of the following have the ability to do pxe boot and work on an ltsp system: Compaq Evo T-20 or T-30 ANT TC-5000 NCD Thinstar 300 IBM Netvista various models. Prices are quite cheap, but if they won't boot pxe 2.0 they are of no value without Citrix or Windows Terminal Services. Dan Loomis From rduran at dallasairmotive.com Sun Mar 21 21:47:18 2004 From: rduran at dallasairmotive.com (Richard Duran) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:47:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] anti-aliased fonts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079905638.779.95.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> Running xdpyinfo lists 27 extensions (including the three you mention). Still, when I run mozilla locally (on the client), fonts are not anti-aliased. I don't know if applets would at all be affected by this, since they don't use anti-aliased fonts, it appears. What I have also noticed it that /etc/XF86Config is set up to be a pointer to /tmp/XF86Config. However the file doesn't exist (there is, however "/tmp/XF86Config.1". Could this be an issue? Regards, -richard On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 01:24, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Richard Duran wrote: > > >On the server, XSERVER is set to "auto" in lts.conf:[Default] > > > >Should this be visible anywhere on the client? > > > >-richard > > I just logged into a remote VNC session (should be the same as a terminal) > and ran: > > xdpyinfo | less > > > About the 20 line is the Extentions section "number of extensions..." > Mine shows 29 extensions, but I know these three are XFree86 4.x specific: > > FontCache > RANDR > RENDER > > > If xdpyinfo reports that you have these extensions, you *should* have > anti-aliased fonts. > > You can also run gnome-font-properties (a.k.a. "start" -> preferences -> > font). I've never tried this on a XFree86 3.x terminal, but on XFree86 4.x > the changes are visably apparent in real-time. > > > -Eric > > >On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 14:40, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Richard Duran wrote: > >> > >> >Interesting. Running Mozilla on the server displays to the client using > >> >anti-aliased fonts. Running Mozilla locally (on the client) displays > >> >using non-anti-aliased fonts. > >> > > >> >Any suggestions? The natives are getting restless.... > >> > >> Please re-read my previous response: > >> > >> >On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 14:09, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Are you using XFree86 v3 or v4 on the terminals? > >> >> > >> >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=XF86_, > >> >> you are using XFree86 v3. This does not support the nice anti- > >> >> aliased fonts. > >> >> > >> >> If you have the xserver defined as: XSERVER=auto (or svga, or ati, > >> >> or some other "lowercase" entry), you are using XFree86 v4. Anti- > >> >> aliased fonts should be the default. > >> >> > >> >> -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jneiffer at neiffer.com Mon Mar 22 03:29:51 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:29:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <008101c40f8d$a6697130$6500a8c0@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: Hi there. Perhaps to add to Dan's question: Is there a document that catalogues what thin clients will with with LTSP/K12LTSP? I have seen some at government surplus houses and EBay and very reasonable prices and wonder if any would be useable. Thanks Jason :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of dloomis at cox-internet.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:44 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Searching the listings on eBay for thin clients I have found lots of Win-CE & NT based units. Does anyone know if and of the following have the ability to do pxe boot and work on an ltsp system: Compaq Evo T-20 or T-30 ANT TC-5000 NCD Thinstar 300 IBM Netvista various models. Prices are quite cheap, but if they won't boot pxe 2.0 they are of no value without Citrix or Windows Terminal Services. Dan Loomis _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Mar 22 13:45:57 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:45:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux access to Spectrum Catalog In-Reply-To: <1079619681.3042.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: ISn't that Winnebago Spectrum? Have you tried it with wine? I may try that here as well. I haven't actually had the need yet but it's geting where I may need to soon. Doug On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Justin Paulsen wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of a client for Sagebrush Spectrum Library server? I > will need one to run on the K12LTSP lab I'm planning. Also if anyone > knows of a grammar software (English) and a software for teaching basic > Spanish (with English instructions)that will run on K12LTSP I would love > to hear from you. > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > (715) 327-4223 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us XP is the biggest thorn in my side since Saddam Hussein! Tux for President! From Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca Mon Mar 22 15:09:34 2004 From: Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca (Galea, Luke) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:09:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE Desktop Sharing Message-ID: <04Mar22.100709est.119075@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> Hi All, Has anyone had problems running KDE Desktop Sharing under k12? I'm getting an error stating that it can't find the KINETD service.. I found emails on newsgroups from other stating similar problems, but no one had responded to them.. Is there something required to start this service? I can't find mention of it anywhere in init.d... Thanks in advance! Luke Galea, IM Services Toronto Rehab Institute Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca (416) 597-3422 ext. 3934 ********************************************** IMPORTANT: The information in this e-mail belongs to Toronto Rehabilitation Institute and may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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I have already printed a test page from CUPS sucessfully. This is the machine entry from the lts.conf file. [Reg-term] SCREEN_01 = ssh SSH_HOST = XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX (edited out) LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P What I am trying to do is connect to a VAX box that runs our student information system and print from something that looks like a curses based application(not sure is VAX uses curses or not, but it looks similar). I was hoping that just the Printscrn button on the keyboard would work, but it doesn't. I have also tried every conceviable combination of shift alt and ctrl with the printscrn button. I have googled for quit a while now and have come up with nothing useful. Hopefully someone will have done this before, and has a sollution, or at least a point in the right direction. Thanks, Shawn Austin University of Indianapolis Client Services From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 22 16:13:53 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:13:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux access to Spectrum Catalog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >ISn't that Winnebago Spectrum? > >Have you tried it with wine? > >I may try that here as well. I haven't actually had the need yet but it's >geting where I may need to soon. > >Doug We run this...what I did was get the additional web server option which allows you to use a browser as the client. It makes it so I no longer have to install clients as they're accessible from the web....both inside and outside of school (if you wish)....hence we can now use it with K12LTSP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Mar 22 16:27:59 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:27:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux access to Spectrum Catalog In-Reply-To: <1079619681.3042.15.camel@localhost> References: <1079619681.3042.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <405F140F.3010405@msln.net> I also will need to do this. I have athena and spectrum. Athena works in wine if need be, but David Trask's solution seems to be much easier than configuring the wine setup. Mark Justin Paulsen wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone know of a client for Sagebrush Spectrum Library server? I >will need one to run on the K12LTSP lab I'm planning. Also if anyone >knows of a grammar software (English) and a software for teaching basic >Spanish (with English instructions)that will run on K12LTSP I would love >to hear from you. > >Thanks in advance, > >Justin Paulsen >IT Coordinator >Frederic School District >paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us >(715) 327-4223 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 22 16:59:31 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:59:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Local printer and console printing In-Reply-To: <1079952186.2417.23.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> References: <1079952186.2417.23.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> Message-ID: <405F1B73.7000302@maltzen.net> My VMS is pretty rusty, but don't you need to define the printer on the VAX in order for it to talk to the printer, whether the printer is connected to the LTSP client or otherwise? In other words, how does the VAX print to any other printers on the network? Or does it just print to locally attached (serial) printers? Petre Shawn Austin wrote: > Hello all, > > I am trying to get a local printer to print from a console(no X), and I > have reached a bit of a road block. > > I have already setup the printer using CUPS, and I have seen a message > on the console of the station that shows cups is monitoring the printer > port on the machine. > > I have already printed a test page from CUPS sucessfully. > > > This is the machine entry from the lts.conf file. > [Reg-term] > SCREEN_01 = ssh > SSH_HOST = XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX (edited out) > LOCAL_APPS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > What I am trying to do is connect to a VAX box that runs our student > information system and print from something that looks like a curses > based application(not sure is VAX uses curses or not, but it looks > similar). > > I was hoping that just the Printscrn button on the keyboard would work, > but it doesn't. I have also tried every conceviable combination of > shift alt and ctrl with the printscrn button. > > I have googled for quit a while now and have come up with nothing > useful. Hopefully someone will have done this before, and has a > sollution, or at least a point in the right direction. > > Thanks, > > Shawn Austin > > University of Indianapolis > Client Services > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cblessing at busd.k12.az.us Mon Mar 22 17:20:05 2004 From: cblessing at busd.k12.az.us (Christian Blessing) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:20:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <20040322170017.DDDEC73CE3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000001c41031$ee137130$f402650a@chrisb> Jason, I encourage you to take a look at ElitePC of Tempe, Arizona (www.elitepc.com). They offer a number of thin clients based on the Via chipset. I just purchased 10 LF26 clients, as well as a rack-mount server pre-loaded with K12LTSP 4, from the company. Everything worked out of the box. I have bought quite a number of other computers from them in the past, and have come to appreciate both their decent customer service, super-competitive pricing, and their enthusiastic support for Linux/Open Source. Regards, Christian Blessing Technology Coordinator Bisbee Unified School District #2 100 Old Douglas Road Bisbee AZ 85603 520-432-5381 x4205 chris.blessing at busd.k12.az.us Hi there. Perhaps to add to Dan's question: Is there a document that catalogues what thin clients will with with LTSP/K12LTSP? I have seen some at government surplus houses and EBay and very reasonable prices and wonder if any would be useable. Thanks Jason :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of dloomis at cox-internet.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:44 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Searching the listings on eBay for thin clients I have found lots of Win-CE & NT based units. Does anyone know if and of the following have the ability to do pxe boot and work on an ltsp system: Compaq Evo T-20 or T-30 ANT TC-5000 NCD Thinstar 300 IBM Netvista various models. Prices are quite cheap, but if they won't boot pxe 2.0 they are of no value without Citrix or Windows Terminal Services. Dan Loomis _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.590 / Virus Database: 373 - Release Date: 2/16/2004 From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 18:00:13 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:00:13 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Message-ID: <032220041800.26429.1005@comcast.net> Similar systems are also available from casetronic (http://www.casetronic.com/Product/PCcase/2699/CS-2699.html ). In case you want to check/compare pricing. And then there is http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ for another option. I used the casetronic 2699 but modded to use the VIA Eden 533, not the 1GHz option that is standard. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Jason, > > I encourage you to take a look at ElitePC of Tempe, Arizona > (www.elitepc.com). They offer a number of thin clients based on the Via > chipset. I just purchased 10 LF26 clients, as well as a rack-mount > server pre-loaded with K12LTSP 4, from the company. Everything worked > out of the box. I have bought quite a number of other computers from > them in the past, and have come to appreciate both their decent customer > service, super-competitive pricing, and their enthusiastic support for > Linux/Open Source. > > Regards, > > Christian Blessing > Technology Coordinator > Bisbee Unified School District #2 > 100 Old Douglas Road > Bisbee AZ 85603 > 520-432-5381 x4205 > chris.blessing at busd.k12.az.us > > > > Hi there. > > Perhaps to add to Dan's question: > > Is there a document that catalogues what thin clients will with with > LTSP/K12LTSP? I have seen some at government surplus houses and EBay > and very reasonable prices and wonder if any would be useable. > > Thanks > Jason :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of dloomis at cox-internet.com > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:44 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients > > Searching the listings on eBay for thin clients I have found lots of > Win-CE & NT based units. Does anyone know if and of the following have > the ability to do pxe boot and work on an ltsp system: > > Compaq Evo T-20 or T-30 > ANT TC-5000 > NCD Thinstar 300 > IBM Netvista various models. > > Prices are quite cheap, but if they won't boot pxe 2.0 they are of no > value without Citrix or Windows Terminal Services. > > Dan Loomis > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.590 / Virus Database: 373 - Release Date: 2/16/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From austinsr at uindy.edu Mon Mar 22 13:13:09 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:13:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Local printer and console printing In-Reply-To: <405F1B73.7000302@maltzen.net> References: <1079952186.2417.23.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> <405F1B73.7000302@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1079961188.2417.31.camel@gentoo.is.uindy.edu> Im trying to do a print screen type thing to a local printer attached to the thin client that is ssh'd to a VMS box. I don't need to do any printing through the VMS box, I want that done locally through a local printer on the thin client. So far I have found out that you can cat /dev/vcsa1 to output the contents of virtual terminal 1. The best solution that I can come up with is to cat the content of /dev/vcsa1 and dump the content in a directory that the server can access, and then have cron do a lpr -P localprinter on all the files in the directory every 30 seconds or so. Im currently trying to figure out how to bind the Print screen key to a shell script that will output the contents of that virtual terminal to the printing directory so cron can do its thing. Thanks for the reply. Shawn On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 16:59, Petre Scheie wrote: > My VMS is pretty rusty, but don't you need to define the printer on the VAX in > order for it to talk to the printer, whether the printer is connected to the > LTSP client or otherwise? In other words, how does the VAX print to any other > printers on the network? Or does it just print to locally attached (serial) > printers? > > Petre > > Shawn Austin wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I am trying to get a local printer to print from a console(no X), and I > > have reached a bit of a road block. > > > > I have already setup the printer using CUPS, and I have seen a message > > on the console of the station that shows cups is monitoring the printer > > port on the machine. > > > > I have already printed a test page from CUPS sucessfully. > > > > > > This is the machine entry from the lts.conf file. > > [Reg-term] > > SCREEN_01 = ssh > > SSH_HOST = XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX (edited out) > > LOCAL_APPS = N > > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > > > What I am trying to do is connect to a VAX box that runs our student > > information system and print from something that looks like a curses > > based application(not sure is VAX uses curses or not, but it looks > > similar). > > > > I was hoping that just the Printscrn button on the keyboard would work, > > but it doesn't. I have also tried every conceviable combination of > > shift alt and ctrl with the printscrn button. > > > > I have googled for quit a while now and have come up with nothing > > useful. Hopefully someone will have done this before, and has a > > sollution, or at least a point in the right direction. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Shawn Austin > > > > University of Indianapolis > > Client Services > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk Mon Mar 22 18:05:10 2004 From: mstevens at chace.enfield.sch.uk (Martin Stevens) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:05:10 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Message-ID: <1079978694.19771.28.camel@mercury> Hi, I've just upgraded K12LTSP3.12 with apt using the fedora mirrors However I now have a problem with Openoffice. With some user accounts it just work, with some it keeps cycling round the setup/install routine. So what I have done on a user account is cleared out the old .sversionrc and the .openoffice folders and tried running it again to get the setup to complete again. But the initial setup seems to stall, Checking for existing user installation ... NOT FOUND Performing first time installation for user ..... Nothing for 30 minutes Hmmm. How would I go about recreating the initial config and the having the users accounts upgraded to use the latest OO version ? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks Martin Stevens From dgough at papcs.com Mon Mar 22 18:21:26 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:21:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D97@xms.papcs.com> Sadly, some of us must.... I know this isn't exactly the stuff we talk about here, but I've gotten SO many good ideas off this list, I thought I'd try to return the favour. We've been faced with the fact that our tiny budget won't allow us to replace as many workstations as we need to. I tried to push LTSP, but with no luck so far. Thes second best solution, though, has been to set up a Windows 2003 terminal server, and use a distro of Linux called PXES to turn our old hardware into thin (or at least less thick) clients. PXES may be what you're looking for if you can't make the jump all the way to K12LTSP. http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ It's amazingly easy to get going, as long as you have a Linux box running Gnome to set up the configuration program that creates the install package. Doug Gough From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 22 18:31:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:31:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D97@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <00d401c4103b$e62d4d60$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Doug, what does this do for Windows licensing? I imagine you still need to buy a client license for each linux box connecting. But this saves you the money for the Windows OS on each workstation by running Linux. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:21 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) Sadly, some of us must.... I know this isn't exactly the stuff we talk about here, but I've gotten SO many good ideas off this list, I thought I'd try to return the favour. We've been faced with the fact that our tiny budget won't allow us to replace as many workstations as we need to. I tried to push LTSP, but with no luck so far. Thes second best solution, though, has been to set up a Windows 2003 terminal server, and use a distro of Linux called PXES to turn our old hardware into thin (or at least less thick) clients. PXES may be what you're looking for if you can't make the jump all the way to K12LTSP. http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ It's amazingly easy to get going, as long as you have a Linux box running Gnome to set up the configuration program that creates the install package. Doug Gough _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 From jfaletra at sau16.org Mon Mar 22 18:32:52 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:32:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D97@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D97@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: We have been doing the very thing here for 2 years and it works terrific. However, we will be complete converting over the next couple of years. Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 22 18:38:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:38:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D97@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <00d501c4103c$e18812d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Also, is this a "diskless" option? Or do you need local hard drive to load the distro to? Can you boot it from a floppy or boot ROM? I imagine this will not work on a full diskless workstation such as the Term150 from www.disklessworkstations.com. I am intrigued by the idea. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:21 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) Sadly, some of us must.... I know this isn't exactly the stuff we talk about here, but I've gotten SO many good ideas off this list, I thought I'd try to return the favour. We've been faced with the fact that our tiny budget won't allow us to replace as many workstations as we need to. I tried to push LTSP, but with no luck so far. Thes second best solution, though, has been to set up a Windows 2003 terminal server, and use a distro of Linux called PXES to turn our old hardware into thin (or at least less thick) clients. PXES may be what you're looking for if you can't make the jump all the way to K12LTSP. http://pxes.sourceforge.net/ It's amazingly easy to get going, as long as you have a Linux box running Gnome to set up the configuration program that creates the install package. Doug Gough _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 From jneiffer at neiffer.com Mon Mar 22 18:48:06 2004 From: jneiffer at neiffer.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:48:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <032220041800.26429.1005@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi folks, Thanks for the informative responses. I am aware of the many quality thin clients available, and to be honest, if I had the access to funds, I'd go for it. My question, though, concerns older thin clients I might pick up from government surplus or used equipment dealers or EBay. What can I use? Is there a list somewhere? Jason :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of dahopkins at comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:00 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Similar systems are also available from casetronic (http://www.casetronic.com/Product/PCcase/2699/CS-2699.html ). In case you want to check/compare pricing. And then there is http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ for another option. I used the casetronic 2699 but modded to use the VIA Eden 533, not the 1GHz option that is standard. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Jason, > > I encourage you to take a look at ElitePC of Tempe, Arizona > (www.elitepc.com). They offer a number of thin clients based on the Via > chipset. I just purchased 10 LF26 clients, as well as a rack-mount > server pre-loaded with K12LTSP 4, from the company. Everything worked > out of the box. I have bought quite a number of other computers from > them in the past, and have come to appreciate both their decent customer > service, super-competitive pricing, and their enthusiastic support for > Linux/Open Source. > > Regards, > > Christian Blessing > Technology Coordinator > Bisbee Unified School District #2 > 100 Old Douglas Road > Bisbee AZ 85603 > 520-432-5381 x4205 > chris.blessing at busd.k12.az.us > > > > Hi there. > > Perhaps to add to Dan's question: > > Is there a document that catalogues what thin clients will with with > LTSP/K12LTSP? I have seen some at government surplus houses and EBay > and very reasonable prices and wonder if any would be useable. > > Thanks > Jason :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of dloomis at cox-internet.com > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:44 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients > > Searching the listings on eBay for thin clients I have found lots of > Win-CE & NT based units. Does anyone know if and of the following have > the ability to do pxe boot and work on an ltsp system: > > Compaq Evo T-20 or T-30 > ANT TC-5000 > NCD Thinstar 300 > IBM Netvista various models. > > Prices are quite cheap, but if they won't boot pxe 2.0 they are of no > value without Citrix or Windows Terminal Services. > > Dan Loomis > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.590 / Virus Database: 373 - Release Date: 2/16/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 22 18:51:56 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:51:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d601c4103e$c31979e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I just received some WYSE Terminals over the weekend and after looking them over I don't see how it would be possible to get them to work. There is no boot ROM (at least that I found) that could be replaced with one for LTSP and I cannot see how it would be possible to use some type of drive to boot them. I whistled this project dead about 5 minutes after cracking the case. I remember seeing a post about 3 months ago here from someone trying to get these to work but haven't heard anything back. But maybe some other versions have a boot ROM. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason Neiffer Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:48 PM To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Hi folks, Thanks for the informative responses. I am aware of the many quality thin clients available, and to be honest, if I had the access to funds, I'd go for it. My question, though, concerns older thin clients I might pick up from government surplus or used equipment dealers or EBay. What can I use? Is there a list somewhere? Jason :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of dahopkins at comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:00 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Thin Clients Similar systems are also available from casetronic (http://www.casetronic.com/Product/PCcase/2699/CS-2699.html ). In case you want to check/compare pricing. And then there is http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ for another option. I used the casetronic 2699 but modded to use the VIA Eden 533, not the 1GHz option that is standard. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Jason, > > I encourage you to take a look at ElitePC of Tempe, Arizona > (www.elitepc.com). They offer a number of thin clients based on the > Via chipset. I just purchased 10 LF26 clients, as well as a rack-mount > server pre-loaded with K12LTSP 4, from the company. Everything worked > out of the box. I have bought quite a number of other computers from > them in the past, and have come to appreciate both their decent > customer service, super-competitive pricing, and their enthusiastic > support for Linux/Open Source. > > Regards, > > Christian Blessing > Technology Coordinator > Bisbee Unified School District #2 > 100 Old Douglas Road > Bisbee AZ 85603 > 520-432-5381 x4205 > chris.blessing at busd.k12.az.us > > > > Hi there. > > Perhaps to add to Dan's question: > > Is there a document that catalogues what thin clients will with with > LTSP/K12LTSP? I have seen some at government surplus houses and EBay > and very reasonable prices and wonder if any would be useable. > > Thanks > Jason :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of dloomis at cox-internet.com > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:44 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients > > Searching the listings on eBay for thin clients I have found lots of > Win-CE & NT based units. Does anyone know if and of the following > have the ability to do pxe boot and work on an ltsp system: > > Compaq Evo T-20 or T-30 > ANT TC-5000 > NCD Thinstar 300 > IBM Netvista various models. > > Prices are quite cheap, but if they won't boot pxe 2.0 they are of no > value without Citrix or Windows Terminal Services. > > Dan Loomis > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.590 / Virus Database: 373 - Release Date: 2/16/2004 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Mar 22 18:52:34 2004 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:52:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <032220041800.26429.1005@comcast.net> References: <032220041800.26429.1005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1079981553.11446.13.camel@marge.nr.symbio.com> Jason, Hi. Gideon here from Symbio Technologies. Just wanted to pipe in so you don't overlook us. If you're interested in ordering in quantity (10 or more), check out www.thesymbiont.com . At Symbio Technologies, we specialize in larger installations, plus we're an eRate vendor and are on many state vendor lists (if you're in the US). We also ship in quantity overseas, and have several international resellers. All of our thin clients are tested before they ship and are certified to work with LTSP/K12LTSP and with The Symbiont Management Suite - a web-based management utility for diskless thin client networks. -Gideon On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 13:00, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Similar systems are also available from casetronic (http://www.casetronic.com/Product/PCcase/2699/CS-2699.html ). In case you want to check/compare pricing. And then there is http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ for another option. I used the casetronic 2699 but modded to use the VIA Eden 533, not the 1GHz option that is standard. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > Jason, > > > > I encourage you to take a look at ElitePC of Tempe, Arizona > > (www.elitepc.com). They offer a number of thin clients based on the Via > > chipset. I just purchased 10 LF26 clients, as well as a rack-mount > > server pre-loaded with K12LTSP 4, from the company. Everything worked > > out of the box. I have bought quite a number of other computers from > > them in the past, and have come to appreciate both their decent customer > > service, super-competitive pricing, and their enthusiastic support for > > Linux/Open Source. > > > > Regards, > > > > Christian Blessing > > Technology Coordinator > > Bisbee Unified School District #2 > > 100 Old Douglas Road > > Bisbee AZ 85603 > > 520-432-5381 x4205 > > chris.blessing at busd.k12.az.us > > > > > > > > Hi there. > > > > Perhaps to add to Dan's question: > > > > Is there a document that catalogues what thin clients will with with > > LTSP/K12LTSP? I have seen some at government surplus houses and EBay > > and very reasonable prices and wonder if any would be useable. > > > > Thanks > > Jason :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of dloomis at cox-internet.com > > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:44 PM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Clients > > > > Searching the listings on eBay for thin clients I have found lots of > > Win-CE & NT based units. Does anyone know if and of the following have > > the ability to do pxe boot and work on an ltsp system: > > > > Compaq Evo T-20 or T-30 > > ANT TC-5000 > > NCD Thinstar 300 > > IBM Netvista various models. > > > > Prices are quite cheap, but if they won't boot pxe 2.0 they are of no > > value without Citrix or Windows Terminal Services. > > > > Dan Loomis > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.590 / Virus Database: 373 - Release Date: 2/16/2004 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Gideon Romm From dgough at papcs.com Mon Mar 22 18:54:20 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:54:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D99@xms.papcs.com> > Also, is this a "diskless" option? Or do you need local hard > drive to load the distro to? Can you boot it from a floppy > or boot ROM? I imagine this will not work on a full diskless > workstation such as the Term150 from > www.disklessworkstations.com. I am intrigued by the idea. It requires a client access license per terminal. It can be a diskless solution if your motherboards support PXE booting. The setup is fully explained on the PXES site. I don't think you could fit it in a boot rom. But since it only requires 20MB on the hard drive, you can use very old drives and have it boot locally. If you configure it to do so, it will boot from the drive but connect directly to the terminal server without any clue that it's not diskless. We are installing it on the local disk, because we are converting old win98 workstations into terminals. Doug Gough From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 22 19:04:18 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:04:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <000001c41031$ee137130$f402650a@chrisb> Message-ID: <000501c41040$7c2705a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Is there a HOWTO or some other resource demonstrating what is required in order to utilize macintosh computers as ltsp clients? Thanks, --Huck Network Admin Portland Adventist Academy From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Mar 22 19:04:17 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:04:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <000501c41040$7c2705a0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <000501c41040$7c2705a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200403221404.17883.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Monday 22 March 2004 02:04 pm, Huck wrote: > Is there a HOWTO or some other resource demonstrating what is required > in order to utilize macintosh computers as ltsp clients? Well, you could use my "thick client" method -- it works for older computers, and I'm sure it would work for newer ones. http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org/article.php?story=20040307001238261 Also, I've netbooted OS9 on computers using linux servers... Are these G3's fruity colored, or the beige ones? (all fruity colored Macs will netboot) Netbooting OS9 is really slick, and what I do in our labs. Contact me if you're interested in netbooting info. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Mar 22 19:15:20 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:15:20 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP for internet cafe Message-ID: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi folks, I know this is a not strictly K12 stuff, but do know this has been done. I have a client who wants to migrate from MS to Linux on his machines. He would be willing to make a donation to a Linux based project in lieu of MS licenses. I can see how a thin client model could work well. He does have specific requirements that I can discuss later, should this be necessary. For those on list who have used K12LTSP as the base for an internet cafe. Could you tell me any gotchas that you have struck, and what has worked in your situation. Thanks for your help. Bert -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From pauldavison at psps.com Mon Mar 22 19:04:36 2004 From: pauldavison at psps.com (Paul Davison) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:04:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: If you MUST use windows (PXES Thin Clients) In-Reply-To: <00d501c4103c$e18812d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00d501c4103c$e18812d0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <405F38C4.8030101@psps.com> A friend of mine needed a solution for a small business that would allow him to run linux desktops for about 80% of his users with 20% still requiring access to a windows accounting application. I set up a K12LTSP 3 server running iceWM to auto-login for certain workstations, and placed an "rdesktop -f server.address &" in the window manager rc file for the autologin account. The result was Diskless Pentium 166 systems that booted in about 40 seconds to the login prompt for a Win 2k Terminal server session. The users don't even know it is not a windows machine they are using. As far as I know, that company has been using this system for about a year now without a hitch. They still needed to license the terminal server for the number of users that needed access, but the remaining computers just run regular login sessions with the full suite of linux applications. It is the best of both worlds I guess. I toyed with a similar setup using Citrix ICA clients as well. It worked the same way. The result either way, it is cheaper to buy terminal server licenses than it is to buy new hardware and OS licenses. Paul Davison Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Also, is this a "diskless" option? Or do you need local hard drive to > load the distro to? Can you boot it from a floppy or boot ROM? I > imagine this will not work on a full diskless workstation such as the > Term150 from www.disklessworkstations.com. I am intrigued by the idea. From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Mon Mar 22 19:23:30 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:23:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP for internet cafe In-Reply-To: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <405F3D32.5020907@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi folks, > > I know this is a not strictly K12 stuff, but do know this has been done. > > I have a client who wants to migrate from MS to Linux on his machines. > He would be willing to make a donation to a Linux based project in lieu > of MS licenses. > > I can see how a thin client model could work well. > > He does have specific requirements that I can discuss later, should this > be necessary. > > For those on list who have used K12LTSP as the base for an internet > cafe. Could you tell me any gotchas that you have struck, and what has > worked in your situation. > > Thanks for your help. > > Bert I'm interested in this too Bert. My church's college group is looking into using LTSP to make a college coffee house / cyber cafe. I think it was Bill Kendrick that has done this before. Bill, are you out there? -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 22 19:28:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:28:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <200403221404.17883.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <00d701c41043$ed964cc0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I am definitely interested in the Netboot option. Please send me any information regarding this, or at least point me towards it. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:04 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients On Monday 22 March 2004 02:04 pm, Huck wrote: > Is there a HOWTO or some other resource demonstrating what is required > in order to utilize macintosh computers as ltsp clients? Well, you could use my "thick client" method -- it works for older computers, and I'm sure it would work for newer ones. http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org/article.php?story=20040307001238261 Also, I've netbooted OS9 on computers using linux servers... Are these G3's fruity colored, or the beige ones? (all fruity colored Macs will netboot) Netbooting OS9 is really slick, and what I do in our labs. Contact me if you're interested in netbooting info. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 22 19:33:09 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:33:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <00d701c41043$ed964cc0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00d701c41043$ed964cc0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1079983989.25901.144.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 11:28, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am definitely interested in the Netboot option. Please send me any > information regarding this, or at least point me towards it. Please post it to the list... many schools have old macs that they are wondering what to do with... Also, if someone has a MacOSX server setup for netbooting, please drop me an email. I'm looking for a packet dump so I can reverse-engineer why my powerbook refuses to netboot. BTW, I've offered to host the LTSP-PPC work that is being done. No docs at the moment, but you can FTP the files from: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/ltsp-ppc/ -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:04 PM > To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients > > > On Monday 22 March 2004 02:04 pm, Huck wrote: > > Is there a HOWTO or some other resource demonstrating what is required > > > in order to utilize macintosh computers as ltsp clients? > > Well, you could use my "thick client" method -- it works for older > computers, > and I'm sure it would work for newer ones. > > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org/article.php?story=20040307001238261 > > Also, I've netbooted OS9 on computers using linux servers... Are these > G3's > fruity colored, or the beige ones? (all fruity colored Macs will > netboot) > Netbooting OS9 is really slick, and what I do in our labs. Contact me > if > you're interested in netbooting info. > > -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Mar 22 19:36:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:36:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <00d701c41043$ed964cc0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00d701c41043$ed964cc0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200403221436.41290.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Monday 22 March 2004 02:28 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am definitely interested in the Netboot option. Realize this is netbooting MacOS, not linux. The server is running linux, but the client OS is really OS9... Here are some links. I would print the pages out, because sometimes the sites are down. (I checked, they are currently up) http://staff.harrisonburg.k12.va.us/~rlineweaver/macnb/ http://frank.gwc.org.uk/~ali//nb/ http://mike.passwall.com/macnc/ It works extrememly efficiently. I have an old PowerMac7250 Server (120mhz) with a 4 gig SCSI drive and 384MB memory as a server, and it boots 20 clients well. When all the computers are starting up, it takes about 2 minutes to get them all running, but that's the big "lag". In my second netboot lab, I have a PIII 500, with 384MB RAM for a server, and it's also booting 20 computers just fine. Both servers use 100Mbit cards. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 22 20:01:51 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:01:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VMWare now supports pxe Message-ID: <1079985711.20988.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> A freshmeat announcement just mentioned that a new VMWare version supports PXE booting of guest OS's. The VMWare web site doesn't seem to have all of the links updated but you can go straight to http://www.vmware.com/support/ws45/doc/whatsnew_ws.html for the release notes. It might be an easy way to test changes or demo the concept without needing to set up extra machines. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dean at mumby.co.za Mon Mar 22 20:52:45 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:52:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP for internet cafe In-Reply-To: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <405F521D.8080409@mumby.co.za> have a search for icafe , its pretty comprehensive Regards Dean Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi folks, > >I know this is a not strictly K12 stuff, but do know this has been done. > >I have a client who wants to migrate from MS to Linux on his machines. >He would be willing to make a donation to a Linux based project in lieu >of MS licenses. > >I can see how a thin client model could work well. > >He does have specific requirements that I can discuss later, should this >be necessary. > >For those on list who have used K12LTSP as the base for an internet >cafe. Could you tell me any gotchas that you have struck, and what has >worked in your situation. > >Thanks for your help. > >Bert > > From dean at mumby.co.za Mon Mar 22 20:53:56 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:53:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] VMWare now supports pxe In-Reply-To: <1079985711.20988.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1079985711.20988.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <405F5264.4000603@mumby.co.za> that's great I just tried to do this and realised I couldn't , guess Ill be downloading the new version. Regards Dean Les Mikesell wrote: >A freshmeat announcement just mentioned that a new VMWare >version supports PXE booting of guest OS's. The VMWare >web site doesn't seem to have all of the links updated >but you can go straight to >http://www.vmware.com/support/ws45/doc/whatsnew_ws.html >for the release notes. It might be an easy way to >test changes or demo the concept without needing to >set up extra machines. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 22 20:58:59 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:58:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients Message-ID: <200403221953.i2MJrvD07873@downeast.net> In contribs is an article by Skip Gaede..on nubus as clients..i have his newest sdtuff.Old world g3 might use the same kernel..bill_c is working on g3 netbooting..chuck Is there a HOWTO or some other resource demonstrating what is required > in order to utilize macintosh computers as ltsp clients? > > Thanks, > > --Huck > Network Admin > Portland Adventist Academy > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 22 22:12:40 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:12:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] test Message-ID: <405F64D8.2040908@cfl.rr.com> disregard From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 22 17:10:21 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:10:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <200403221404.17883.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <000501c41040$7c2705a0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200403221404.17883.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <04032212130603.26107@newguy> assuming you you bootx could you send me lilo.conf or what ever file bootdev is in..I have a nubus patched monolithic kernel with attached initrd..Also have bill_c's kernel and independent initrd..ought to be able to do something like thinnish client... Can you lspci -vvv on pone of these beasts and pick out video card and network card? chuck From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Mar 22 22:18:12 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:18:12 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP for internet cafe] Message-ID: <405F6624.5020408@cfl.rr.com> Bert, I'm doing an LTSP lab for the underpriveledged in Orlando now, but if this guys needs a hand, give me a ring or email off-list. I've already made some good finds for workstations and servers and could configure them for LTSP classroom setups, which should be nearly identical to the classroom. Regards, Brian Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi folks, > > I know this is a not strictly K12 stuff, but do know this has been done. > > I have a client who wants to migrate from MS to Linux on his machines. > He would be willing to make a donation to a Linux based project in lieu > of MS licenses. > > I can see how a thin client model could work well. > > He does have specific requirements that I can discuss later, should this > be necessary. > > For those on list who have used K12LTSP as the base for an internet > cafe. Could you tell me any gotchas that you have struck, and what has > worked in your situation. > > Thanks for your help. > > Bert -- Brian Chase General Manager Open Alternatives Consulting Email: Brian.Chase at openalternatives.net Phone: (386) 775-5366 http://openalternatives.net From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 22 17:14:40 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:14:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <1079983989.25901.144.camel@server.ltsp> References: <00d701c41043$ed964cc0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079983989.25901.144.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <04032212155004.26107@newguy> eric..i sent a copy of ethereasl output of ibook netboot (form a g4 osx server) to bill cavalieri..He was working on the mess this last weekend...chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 22 17:16:42 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:16:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <1079983989.25901.144.camel@server.ltsp> References: <00d701c41043$ed964cc0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> <1079983989.25901.144.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <04032212170705.26107@newguy> Frame 33 (346 bytes on wire, 346 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:58.843210000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.003810000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 0.006062000 seconds Frame Number: 33 Packet Length: 346 bytes Capture Length: 346 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Destination: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff (Broadcast) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0), Dst Addr: 255.255.255.255 (255.255.255.255) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 332 Identification: 0x0000 Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 30 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0x9ba2 (correct) Source: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Destination: 255.255.255.255 (255.255.255.255) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: bootpc (68), Dst Port: bootps (67) Source port: bootpc (68) Destination port: bootps (67) Length: 312 Checksum: 0xcf81 (correct) Bootstrap Protocol Message type: Boot Request (1) Hardware type: Ethernet Hardware address length: 6 Hops: 0 Transaction ID: 0x0000411d Seconds elapsed: 0 Bootp flags: 0x0000 (Unicast) 0... .... .... .... = Broadcast flag: Unicast .000 0000 0000 0000 = Reserved flags: 0x0000 Client IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Your (client) IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Next server IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Relay agent IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Client hardware address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Server host name not given Boot file name not given Magic cookie: (OK) Option 53: DHCP Message Type = DHCP Discover Option 60: Vendor class identifier = "AAPLBSDPC/ppc/PowerBook4,3" Option 43: Vendor-Specific Information (5 bytes) Option 55: Parameter Request List 1 = Subnet Mask 3 = Router 43 = Vendor-Specific Information 60 = Vendor class identifier Unknown Option Code: 220 (4 bytes) Unknown Option Code: 221 (11 bytes) End Option Frame 34 (376 bytes on wire, 376 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:58.848816000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.005606000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 0.011668000 seconds Frame Number: 34 Packet Length: 376 bytes Capture Length: 376 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e, Dst: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Destination: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Source: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1), Dst Addr: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 362 Identification: 0xa438 Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 255 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0x54a1 (correct) Source: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Destination: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: bootps (67), Dst Port: bootpc (68) Source port: bootps (67) Destination port: bootpc (68) Length: 342 Checksum: 0x7211 (correct) Bootstrap Protocol Message type: Boot Reply (2) Hardware type: Ethernet Hardware address length: 6 Hops: 0 Transaction ID: 0x0000411d Seconds elapsed: 0 Bootp flags: 0x0000 (Unicast) 0... .... .... .... = Broadcast flag: Unicast .000 0000 0000 0000 = Reserved flags: 0x0000 Client IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Your (client) IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Next server IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Relay agent IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Client hardware address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Server host name: imaging Boot file name: /private/tftpboot/NetBoot/NetBootSP0/ibook.nbi/booter Magic cookie: (OK) Option 53: DHCP Message Type = DHCP Offer Option 54: Server Identifier = 192.168.1.1 Option 60: Vendor class identifier = "AAPLBSDPC" Option 17: Root Path = "nfs:192.168.1.1:/Library/NetBoot/NetBootSP0:ibook.nbi/ibook.dmg" Option 43: Vendor-Specific Information (6 bytes) End Option Frame 35 (342 bytes on wire, 342 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:58.850346000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.001530000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 0.013198000 seconds Frame Number: 35 Packet Length: 342 bytes Capture Length: 342 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e, Dst: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Destination: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Source: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1), Dst Addr: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 328 Identification: 0x740d Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 255 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0xc296 (correct) Source: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Destination: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: bootps (67), Dst Port: bootpc (68) Source port: bootps (67) Destination port: bootpc (68) Length: 308 Checksum: 0x1120 (correct) Bootstrap Protocol Message type: Boot Reply (2) Hardware type: Ethernet Hardware address length: 6 Hops: 0 Transaction ID: 0x0000411d Seconds elapsed: 0 Bootp flags: 0x0000 (Unicast) 0... .... .... .... = Broadcast flag: Unicast .000 0000 0000 0000 = Reserved flags: 0x0000 Client IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Your (client) IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Next server IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Relay agent IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Client hardware address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Server host name: imaging Boot file name not given Magic cookie: (OK) Option 53: DHCP Message Type = DHCP Offer Option 54: Server Identifier = 192.168.1.1 Option 51: IP Address Lease Time = 59 minutes, 24 seconds Option 1: Subnet Mask = 255.255.255.0 Option 3: Router = 192.168.1.1 End Option Padding Frame 36 (342 bytes on wire, 342 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:58.850713000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.000367000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 0.013565000 seconds Frame Number: 36 Packet Length: 342 bytes Capture Length: 342 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Destination: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff (Broadcast) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175), Dst Addr: 255.255.255.255 (255.255.255.255) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 328 Identification: 0x0000 Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 30 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0xd94e (correct) Source: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Destination: 255.255.255.255 (255.255.255.255) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: bootpc (68), Dst Port: bootps (67) Source port: bootpc (68) Destination port: bootps (67) Length: 308 Checksum: 0x2b67 (correct) Bootstrap Protocol Message type: Boot Request (1) Hardware type: Ethernet Hardware address length: 6 Hops: 0 Transaction ID: 0x0000411d Seconds elapsed: 0 Bootp flags: 0x0000 (Unicast) 0... .... .... .... = Broadcast flag: Unicast .000 0000 0000 0000 = Reserved flags: 0x0000 Client IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Your (client) IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Next server IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Relay agent IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Client hardware address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Server host name not given Boot file name not given Magic cookie: (OK) Option 53: DHCP Message Type = DHCP Request Option 54: Server Identifier = 192.168.1.1 Option 50: Requested IP Address = 192.168.1.175 Option 60: Vendor class identifier = "AAPLBSDPC/ppc/PowerBook4,3" Option 55: Parameter Request List 1 = Subnet Mask 3 = Router 43 = Vendor-Specific Information 60 = Vendor class identifier End Option Padding Frame 37 (342 bytes on wire, 342 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:58.854502000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.003789000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 0.017354000 seconds Frame Number: 37 Packet Length: 342 bytes Capture Length: 342 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e, Dst: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Destination: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Source: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1), Dst Addr: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 328 Identification: 0xbd3d Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 255 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0x7966 (correct) Source: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Destination: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: bootps (67), Dst Port: bootpc (68) Source port: bootps (67) Destination port: bootpc (68) Length: 308 Checksum: 0x0e20 (correct) Bootstrap Protocol Message type: Boot Reply (2) Hardware type: Ethernet Hardware address length: 6 Hops: 0 Transaction ID: 0x0000411d Seconds elapsed: 0 Bootp flags: 0x0000 (Unicast) 0... .... .... .... = Broadcast flag: Unicast .000 0000 0000 0000 = Reserved flags: 0x0000 Client IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Your (client) IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Next server IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Relay agent IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Client hardware address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Server host name: imaging Boot file name not given Magic cookie: (OK) Option 53: DHCP Message Type = DHCP ACK Option 54: Server Identifier = 192.168.1.1 Option 51: IP Address Lease Time = 59 minutes, 24 seconds Option 1: Subnet Mask = 255.255.255.0 Option 3: Router = 192.168.1.1 End Option Padding Frame 38 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:58.854614000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.000112000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 0.017466000 seconds Frame Number: 38 Packet Length: 60 bytes Capture Length: 60 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Destination: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff (Broadcast) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: ARP (0x0806) Trailer: 55555555555555555555555555555555... Address Resolution Protocol (request) Hardware type: Ethernet (0x0001) Protocol type: IP (0x0800) Hardware size: 6 Protocol size: 4 Opcode: request (0x0001) Sender MAC address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Sender IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0) Target MAC address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 (00:00:00_00:00:00) Target IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Frame 39 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.354836000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.500222000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 0.517688000 seconds Frame Number: 39 Packet Length: 60 bytes Capture Length: 60 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Destination: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff (Broadcast) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: ARP (0x0806) Trailer: 55555555555555555555555555555555... Address Resolution Protocol (request) Hardware type: Ethernet (0x0001) Protocol type: IP (0x0800) Hardware size: 6 Protocol size: 4 Opcode: request (0x0001) Sender MAC address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Sender IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Target MAC address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 (00:00:00_00:00:00) Target IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Frame 40 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.855788000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.500952000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 1.018640000 seconds Frame Number: 40 Packet Length: 60 bytes Capture Length: 60 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Destination: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff (Broadcast) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: ARP (0x0806) Trailer: 55555555555555555555555555555555... Address Resolution Protocol (request) Hardware type: Ethernet (0x0001) Protocol type: IP (0x0800) Hardware size: 6 Protocol size: 4 Opcode: request (0x0001) Sender MAC address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Sender IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Target MAC address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 (00:00:00_00:00:00) Target IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Frame 41 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.855923000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.000135000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 1.018775000 seconds Frame Number: 41 Packet Length: 60 bytes Capture Length: 60 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e, Dst: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Destination: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Source: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Type: ARP (0x0806) Trailer: 55555555555555555555555555555555... Address Resolution Protocol (reply) Hardware type: Ethernet (0x0001) Protocol type: IP (0x0800) Hardware size: 6 Protocol size: 4 Opcode: reply (0x0002) Sender MAC address: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Sender IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Target MAC address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Target IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Frame 42 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.856018000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.000095000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 1.018870000 seconds Frame Number: 42 Packet Length: 60 bytes Capture Length: 60 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff Destination: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff (Broadcast) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: ARP (0x0806) Trailer: 55555555555555555555555555555555... Address Resolution Protocol (request) Hardware type: Ethernet (0x0001) Protocol type: IP (0x0800) Hardware size: 6 Protocol size: 4 Opcode: request (0x0001) Sender MAC address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Sender IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Target MAC address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 (00:00:00_00:00:00) Target IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Frame 43 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.856123000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.000105000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 1.018975000 seconds Frame Number: 43 Packet Length: 60 bytes Capture Length: 60 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e, Dst: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Destination: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Source: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Type: ARP (0x0806) Trailer: 55555555555555555555555555555555... Address Resolution Protocol (reply) Hardware type: Ethernet (0x0001) Protocol type: IP (0x0800) Hardware size: 6 Protocol size: 4 Opcode: reply (0x0002) Sender MAC address: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Sender IP address: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Target MAC address: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Target IP address: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Frame 44 (104 bytes on wire, 104 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.856323000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.000200000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 1.019175000 seconds Frame Number: 44 Packet Length: 104 bytes Capture Length: 104 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e Destination: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175), Dst Addr: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 90 Identification: 0x0000 Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 30 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0x1893 (correct) Source: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Destination: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 49152 (49152), Dst Port: tftp (69) Source port: 49152 (49152) Destination port: tftp (69) Length: 70 Checksum: 0x3892 (correct) Trivial File Transfer Protocol Opcode: Read Request (1) Source File: /private/tftpboot/NetBoot/NetBootSP0/ibook.nbi/booter Type: octet Frame 45 (558 bytes on wire, 558 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.871304000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.014981000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 1.034156000 seconds Frame Number: 45 Packet Length: 558 bytes Capture Length: 558 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e, Dst: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec Destination: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Source: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Type: IP (0x0800) Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1), Dst Addr: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 544 Identification: 0xec97 Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 64 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0x0835 (correct) Source: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Destination: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 49164 (49164), Dst Port: 49152 (49152) Source port: 49164 (49164) Destination port: 49152 (49152) Length: 524 Checksum: 0x3adb (correct) Trivial File Transfer Protocol Opcode: Data Packet (3) Block: 1 Data (512 bytes) Frame 46 (60 bytes on wire, 60 bytes captured) Arrival Time: Aug 29, 2003 08:48:59.871455000 Time delta from previous packet: 0.000151000 seconds Time relative to first packet: 1.034307000 seconds Frame Number: 46 Packet Length: 60 bytes Capture Length: 60 bytes Ethernet II, Src: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec, Dst: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e Destination: 00:30:65:d6:ca:8e (Apple_Co_d6:ca:8e) Source: 00:03:93:a8:2b:ec (Apple_Co_a8:2b:ec) Type: IP (0x0800) Trailer: 5555555555555555555555555555 Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175), Dst Addr: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) Version: 4 Header length: 20 bytes Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00) 0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00) .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0 .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0 Total Length: 32 Identification: 0x0000 Flags: 0x00 .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set ..0. = More fragments: Not set Fragment offset: 0 Time to live: 30 Protocol: UDP (0x11) Header checksum: 0x18cd (correct) Source: 192.168.1.175 (192.168.1.175) Destination: 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 49152 (49152), Dst Port: 49164 (49164) Source port: 49152 (49152) Destination port: 49164 (49164) Length: 12 Checksum: 0xfbc2 (correct) Trivial File Transfer Protocol Opcode: Acknowledgement (4) Block: 1 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, you wrote: > ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: multipart/signed; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Mar 22 22:40:05 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:40:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <04032212130603.26107@newguy> References: <000501c41040$7c2705a0$1803010a@paasda.org> <200403221404.17883.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <04032212130603.26107@newguy> Message-ID: <20040322174005.338495fd.spowers@inlandlakes.org> "cliebow at downeast.net" wrote: > Can you lspci -vvv on pone of these beasts and pick out video card and network > card? chuck I think this was to me -- and yes, I'd be happy to do that. It might be 2 days before I can though, because I have a schoolboard presentation tonight, and an ESD presentation tomorrow (all day tech coordinator's thing)... I figure my schedule will be crazy on Wednesday, but I'll try to do it then. (I haven't been brave enough to bring one home to fiddle, my wife would probably beat me senseless... I built an arcade game in our bedroom last winter because I don't have a garage, and she still hasn't forgiven me. :) The MAME machine is cool though...) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 22 18:21:12 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:21:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh G3's as Clients In-Reply-To: <20040322174005.338495fd.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <000501c41040$7c2705a0$1803010a@paasda.org> <04032212130603.26107@newguy> <20040322174005.338495fd.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <04032213220400.26867@newguy> no rush shawn..i will get the g3 out of the closet and see how it is set up...chick From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 23 00:41:50 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:41:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question about shared memory usage in K12LTSP Message-ID: <405F87CE.5030706@cfl.rr.com> I have read in the K12LTSP distro's documentation that you can allow workstations to run applications using their own RAM. From what I can tell, that's all or nothing, hoping I'm wrong. When you configure LTSP to run applications locally on a given workstation, is the system smart enough to borrow memory from the server for larger applications that the thin client doesn't have enough memory to run, or is it stuck with the local RAM to try and get everything done forevermore? Anyone with direct experience enabling LTSP thin clients to run applications locally including performance observations, any measurements taken, and overall operational improvements, I'd be most interested in hearing about them. -- Brian Chase Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From robark at telus.net Tue Mar 23 01:21:20 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:21:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] intel se7501br2 + aic 7901 onboard scsi Message-ID: <200403221721.20908.robark@telus.net> Anyone have trouble with the onboard AIC 7901 scsi controller on the Intel se7501br2 motherboard? It's the one CT Leung is using in his article on linuxjournal.com http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7418&mode=thread&order=0 I know I have to disable HostRaid in the bios. I don't intend on using RAID. Just one scsi drive for root and one for home. Adaptec has a driver for RedHat 8 http://adaptec.com/worldwide/support/ driverdetail.html?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=%2fOperating+System%2fRed +Hat+Linux&filekey=aic79xx-1.1.0-i686-rh80.img.gz Since I am using dual xeons (smp kernel) I have to stick with k12ltsp 3.1.2 (Redhat 8) anyway because 4.01 is not stable yet. Wondering if anyone has positive or negative experience with this onboard scsi controller??? Robert From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Mar 23 02:42:52 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:42:52 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP for internet cafe In-Reply-To: <405F521D.8080409@mumby.co.za> References: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405F521D.8080409@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1079991905.1102.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Dean, I used the search for kiosk yesterday. Do you mean use icafe in google OR on the K12OSN site? Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 08:52, Dean Mumby wrote: > have a search for icafe , its pretty comprehensive > > Regards > Dean > > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Hi folks, > > > >I know this is a not strictly K12 stuff, but do know this has been done. > > > >I have a client who wants to migrate from MS to Linux on his machines. > >He would be willing to make a donation to a Linux based project in lieu > >of MS licenses. > > > >I can see how a thin client model could work well. > > > >He does have specific requirements that I can discuss later, should this > >be necessary. > > > >For those on list who have used K12LTSP as the base for an internet > >cafe. Could you tell me any gotchas that you have struck, and what has > >worked in your situation. > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Bert > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From dean at mumby.co.za Tue Mar 23 06:22:07 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:22:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP for internet cafe In-Reply-To: <1079991905.1102.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405F521D.8080409@mumby.co.za> <1079991905.1102.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <405FD78F.7020005@mumby.co.za> Sorry Bert i looked into this over a year ago and got the name wrong , took a bit of searching but here is the link http://akinimod.sourceforge.net/icafe.html Regards Dean Bert Rolston wrote: >Thanks Dean, > >I used the search for kiosk yesterday. > >Do you mean use icafe in google OR on the K12OSN site? > >Cheers, >Bert > >On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 08:52, Dean Mumby wrote: > > >>have a search for icafe , its pretty comprehensive >> >>Regards >>Dean >> >> >>Bert Rolston wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi folks, >>> >>>I know this is a not strictly K12 stuff, but do know this has been done. >>> >>>I have a client who wants to migrate from MS to Linux on his machines. >>>He would be willing to make a donation to a Linux based project in lieu >>>of MS licenses. >>> >>>I can see how a thin client model could work well. >>> >>>He does have specific requirements that I can discuss later, should this >>>be necessary. >>> >>>For those on list who have used K12LTSP as the base for an internet >>>cafe. Could you tell me any gotchas that you have struck, and what has >>>worked in your situation. >>> >>>Thanks for your help. >>> >>>Bert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Tue Mar 23 13:53:41 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:53:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution Email and Antivirus Message-ID: <40604165.2070201@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Greetings All! I have a quick question, and before I get any responses I prefer not to hear - only Windows gets viruses. I am planning on just a few individuals having email access with the K12LTSP. I would like to install an antivirus package on my server. I am planning on using Evolution Email connecting via POP3/SMTP to our ISP. I have been looking at ClamAV with MailScanner. Would anyone have any advice on this and ideas for configuration settings? Thanks, Michael From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 23 14:07:48 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:07:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School board pitch Message-ID: <002b01c410e0$3bd092a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> For those of you who have been watching the list I made a pitch to our district 861 (more of a teaser to get thier attention) and they are very interested (I expected to be shot down immediately). Now I have to have some more meetings and demo my test lab to them to show what types of equipment can be used and let them get the feel for Linux. Thanks for all your help, hopefully by next year this time every school in our district will have an LTSP lab. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haysja at sages.us Tue Mar 23 14:41:48 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:41:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution Email and Antivirus In-Reply-To: <40604165.2070201@www.rpmhealthstop.org> References: <40604165.2070201@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Message-ID: <40604CAC.3010206@sages.us> We installed ClamAV with Amavis and it has worked very well for us. (It is not installed on K12LTSP, but on another Linux distribution.) It works very, very well. Wehave about 300 email accounts that are filtered by it. We have had only 2 virus instances (that I know of) sine we installed ClamAV/Amavis (and we ARE using Outlook Express on Windows machines). Michael Elliott wrote: > Greetings All! > > I have a quick question, and before I get any responses I prefer not > to hear - only Windows gets viruses. > I am planning on just a few individuals having email access with the > K12LTSP. I would like to install an antivirus package on my server. > I am planning on using Evolution Email connecting via POP3/SMTP to our > ISP. > > I have been looking at ClamAV with MailScanner. Would anyone have any > advice on this and ideas for configuration settings? > > Thanks, > Michael > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 23 14:47:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:47:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxType resolution problem Message-ID: Hi all, I have a new issue. I just outfitted my lab last night with new LCD monitors. Everything works fine...except TuxType2 (I'm running K12LTSP 3.12). When the kids click on TuxType2 it comes up with a message on the monitor about not being able to support VGA mode. How can I force Tuxtype into a different mode? I'd hate for these new monitors not to be able to use TuxType. I'm able to easily recover simply by using ESC....so it's only a TuxType issue...any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From julius at turtle.com Tue Mar 23 15:00:37 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:00:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem Message-ID: Dear Folks, this might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes: apt-get failed with bad rpm database, so i tried to run rpm --rebuilddb. here is what i get for my efforts: error: db4 error(16) from dbenv->remove: Device or resource busy i am somewhat lost to which device or resource it might be. any insights? tia, julius From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 23 15:17:41 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:17:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c410e9$ffa4a0a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Here is some info from a past thread that I was sent when I had RPM database problems: ------------------------------------------------ On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 04:46 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Your RPM database is broken. You can usually fix it by cd'ing to > /var/lib/rpm, removing the files that start with 2 underscores, then > doing 'rpm --rebuilddb'. If you have ever done updates that did not > complete correctly you may have some duplicate entries which will make > apt hang. If you can figure out which ones are duplicates (brute > force: 'rpm -qa |sort' and look for he same thing with different > version numbers) you can use rpm -e to remove the older version. > See this page in the wiki for more details http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RPM%20Database%20Problems Paul --------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Julius Szelagiewicz Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:01 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem Dear Folks, this might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes: apt-get failed with bad rpm database, so i tried to run rpm --rebuilddb. here is what i get for my efforts: error: db4 error(16) from dbenv->remove: Device or resource busy i am somewhat lost to which device or resource it might be. any insights? tia, julius _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Mar 23 15:58:41 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:58:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040323155841.GK20612@wizzy.com> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > this might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes: apt-get failed > with bad rpm database, so i tried to run rpm --rebuilddb. here is what i > get for my efforts: If you want an apt-like tool for an RPM-based system like K12LTSP, I thoroughly recommend yum. I think apt is bolted on to rpm, and does not always work great. yum on the other hand uses all the python stuff that rpm uses, and is thus better integrated. Cheers, Andy! From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Tue Mar 23 16:12:14 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:12:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School board pitch In-Reply-To: <002b01c410e0$3bd092a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c410e0$3bd092a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <406061DE.1080205@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > For those of you who have been watching the list I made a pitch to our > district 861 (more of a teaser to get thier attention) and they are very > interested (I expected to be shot down immediately). Now I have to have > some more meetings and demo my test lab to them to show what types of > equipment can be used and let them get the feel for Linux. > > Thanks for all your help, hopefully by next year this time every school > in our district will have an LTSP lab. > Go get 'em Jim! -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Mar 23 16:24:21 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:24:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] School board pitch In-Reply-To: <002b01c410e0$3bd092a0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: MessageI made a pitch to the Principal of the High School. She "bought" it without even seeing it. I told her I could take her old non-functional Lab (Celeron 266's with 32Mb RAM running NT4 workstation - constant crashing) and instead of spending $35,000 to replace the 24 computers, do it for $6000 - new server, switch and 3com NICS. The division Director of Technology loved the demo, the Computer Courses teacher likes it, ... but the principal never had the time to come up and see it demo'ed. But she is prepared to fund it. I think the money argument talked, as she really has no other alternative to that aging lab. LTSP is an exact fit - Internet research, word processing, printing .... in a high school. So I wish you well in the marketing of your idea. Joe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:08 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] School board pitch For those of you who have been watching the list I made a pitch to our district 861 (more of a teaser to get thier attention) and they are very interested (I expected to be shot down immediately). Now I have to have some more meetings and demo my test lab to them to show what types of equipment can be used and let them get the feel for Linux. Thanks for all your help, hopefully by next year this time every school in our district will have an LTSP lab. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Regards Trond M?hlum From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 23 18:20:13 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:20:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080066013.25901.180.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 07:00, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > this might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes: apt-get failed > with bad rpm database, so i tried to run rpm --rebuilddb. here is what i > get for my efforts: > error: db4 error(16) from dbenv->remove: Device or resource busy > > i am somewhat lost to which device or resource it might be. any insights? > tia, julius > http://www.redhat.com/advice/ask_shadowman_jun03.html -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Apt now uses the rpm libraries. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Mar 23 18:24:28 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:24:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] intel se7501br2 + aic 7901 onboard scsi In-Reply-To: <200403221721.20908.robark@telus.net> References: <200403221721.20908.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <1080066268.6773.14.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 17:21, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Anyone have trouble with the onboard AIC 7901 scsi controller on the Intel > se7501br2 motherboard? It's the one CT Leung is using in his article on > linuxjournal.com That's very similar to the SE7501WV2 boards in Gateway 955/975 servers, which are Intel SR1300/SR2300 server chassis, respectively. Works fine out of the box w/ K12LTSP 3.1 and 4.x for us. As you said the "HostRAID" must be turned off since it requires a Windows driver. > Since I am using dual xeons (smp kernel) I have to stick with k12ltsp 3.1.2 > (Redhat 8) anyway because 4.01 is not stable yet. Wondering if anyone has > positive or negative experience with this onboard scsi controller??? K12LTSP 3.1.x is based on Redhat 9. The Redhat 8 version was 3.0.x, but I haven't tried that version on these particular boxes. As I said above, it all "just worked" in 3.1.x and 4 (nee RH 9 and FC 1) as long as HostRAID is turned off in the SCSI BIOS. Also, K12LTSP 4 has been running fine for us on single-proc file servers, though they do have SMT (HyperThreading) enabled and thus are running on SMP kernels. This isn't to say that some folks haven't run into kernel issues on FC 1, but just that those issues aren't universal. Good luck! -Dan Young -Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 23 18:35:14 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:35:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxType resolution problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080066913.25901.186.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 06:47, David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a new issue. I just outfitted my lab last night with new LCD > monitors. Everything works fine...except TuxType2 (I'm running K12LTSP > 3.12). When the kids click on TuxType2 it comes up with a message on the > monitor about not being able to support VGA mode. How can I force Tuxtype > into a different mode? I'd hate for these new monitors not to be able to > use TuxType. I'm able to easily recover simply by using ESC....so it's > only a TuxType issue...any ideas? Try editing /usr/share/applications/tuxtype.desktop and changing Exec=/usr/bin/tuxtype2 to Exec=/usr/bin/tuxtype2 -w That will start tuxtype in a window rather than full screen. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 23 18:40:17 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:40:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <1079978694.19771.28.camel@mercury> References: <1079978694.19771.28.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <1080067217.25901.189.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 10:05, Martin Stevens wrote: > Hi, > > I've just upgraded K12LTSP3.12 with apt using the fedora mirrors > > However I now have a problem with Openoffice. > > With some user accounts it just work, with some it keeps cycling round > the setup/install routine. > > So what I have done on a user account is cleared out the old .sversionrc > and the .openoffice folders and tried running it again to get the setup > to complete again. > > But the initial setup seems to stall, > > Checking for existing user installation ... NOT FOUND > Performing first time installation for user ..... > I've seen this once before when there was something screwy with the permissions on a user's home directory. I don't remember the details, but try comparing the permissions from a user that works & one that doesn't. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 23 18:51:00 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:51:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.01 on dual cpu In-Reply-To: <40607E98.7090003@online.no> References: <40607E98.7090003@online.no> Message-ID: <1080067860.25901.196.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 10:14, Trond M??hlum wrote: > I have been told that there is a bug with K12LTSP 4.0 on dual cpu > servers. Has this been fixed in 4.01? Or can I install 4.0 and do an apt > dist-upgrade to fix this? > > Also, I'm going to use one server for /home and users. It will export > /home through NFS and users/passwords through NIS. Can the fileserver be > K12LTSP4 and the TS's be K12LTSP 3.1.2? Or will that setup cause > problems? This question is only relevant if the dual cpu bug is still > present in 4.0. > > Regards > > Trond M??hlum All of the reports I've seen indicate that the FC1 SMP kernels are still causing some people grief. We have a bunch of servers running the latest FC1 SMP kernels and have had excellent stability. I've had a few reports that installing the Whitebox SMP kernel works great in place of the FC1 SMP kernel: ftp://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/pub/whitebox/3.0/en/updates/i686/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 23 19:01:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:01:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem In-Reply-To: <20040323155841.GK20612@wizzy.com> References: <20040323155841.GK20612@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1080068467.24342.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 09:58, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > this might be a bit off-topic, but here it goes: apt-get failed > > with bad rpm database, so i tried to run rpm --rebuilddb. here is what i > > get for my efforts: > > If you want an apt-like tool for an RPM-based system like K12LTSP, I > thoroughly recommend yum. > > I think apt is bolted on to rpm, and does not always work great. > > yum on the other hand uses all the python stuff that rpm uses, and > is thus better integrated. There is not that much difference in the way they work - which is a good thing in that you can alternate between which you use. Apt runs the actual rpm program for some jobs where yum uses the library routines and yum will default to installing new kernels while apt makes you do that separately. They both use the rpm database and will have the same problem if it is locked or corrupted. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 23 19:23:07 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:23:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxType resolution problem In-Reply-To: <1080066913.25901.186.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1080066913.25901.186.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: Thanks Eric! Actually I just edited the IceWm menu and that did it...but I didn't know the "window" switch...thanks for letting me know...now I can use it with these new monitors :-) "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >Try editing /usr/share/applications/tuxtype.desktop and changing > > Exec=/usr/bin/tuxtype2 > >to > > Exec=/usr/bin/tuxtype2 -w > >That will start tuxtype in a window rather than full screen. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca Tue Mar 23 20:01:52 2004 From: Galea.Luke at torontorehab.on.ca (Galea, Luke) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:01:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Server Blank! Message-ID: <04Mar23.150138est.120540@u1fw.torontorehab.on.ca> Howdy all, Has anyone successfully configured x0rfbserver, krfb, gemsvnc or any other "server the active desktop" vnc solution under k12ltsp? 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Legal Disclaimer ********************************************** From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Tue Mar 23 20:38:08 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:38:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.01 on dual cpu In-Reply-To: <40607E98.7090003@online.no> References: <40607E98.7090003@online.no> Message-ID: <4060A030.5000902@chartermi.net> Trond M?hlum wrote: > I have been told that there is a bug with K12LTSP 4.0 on dual cpu > servers. Has this been fixed in 4.01? Or can I install 4.0 and do an apt > dist-upgrade to fix this? I have K12LTSP 4.0, which is now updated to 4.0.1 on a Tyan dual athlon motherboard. It's worked excellent from day one. So, if you have the chance, I'd really recommend tyan dual athlon boards. I have file/print/nfs/web/k12ltsp on several and I'm very pleased with performance and the price is good also. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay, and Lake Linden Public Schools email: eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue Mar 23 20:49:14 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:49:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] icewm/icemc help Message-ID: <4115.170.211.161.150.1080074954.squirrel@170.211.161.150> WBEL - LTSP3 Here's what I'm lacking. Has something changed since the last time I configured Ice? Now when I run icemc I get a message that the keys and mennu files aren't found. I can create them manually...then my menu is stripped. I try to customize using those files and my menu is still stripped...my changes aren't taking effect. I can delete the custom keys/menu files I made and the default menu settings come back (mozilla and the open office stuff). The question: Since all my users will be setup the same...where are the default icewm settings stored now? I want to just modify those settings and be done. The comment: I think things have changed since I configured last. It's a good sign really.... I set that k12ltsp server up 2 years ago and never had to touch it afterward =) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Tue Mar 23 21:07:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:07:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf questions Message-ID: <4163.170.211.161.150.1080076020.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I've gotten an hp 5000 series thinclient from disklessworkstations.com to test for a future implementation. These babies are sweet! Definetley our final choice. Anyway...we currently have thinknic terminals in one building. The configuration for the thinknics and the hp's will co-exist (for now). I have my defaults in my lts.conf set for my thinknics. I'm manually adding the hp settings. Problem is for some reason....my hp's run at 800x600 when I manually specify and they'll run at 1024x768 (my desired) when I set them up in the defaults section and get rid of the thinknic stuff. Any Ideas?: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = vesa X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 #84Hz X_RES_1 = 1024x768 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 50-110 X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" RCFILE_01 = "usb" X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 52m NIS_DOMAIN = ltsp LOCAL_APPS = N LOCAL_WM = N RUNLEVEL = 5 SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = nasd SMODULE_01 = cmpci VOLUME = 100 #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of specifying X settings for a workstation # [ws001] XSERVER = "auto" SMODULE_02 = "soundcore" SMODULE_03 = "ac97_codec" SMODULE_04 = "via82cxxx_audio" X_MODE_0 = X_RES_01 = "1024x768" -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 23 21:22:14 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (jam at mcquil.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:22:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf questions In-Reply-To: <4163.170.211.161.150.1080076020.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: Caleb, I'm glad you like the HP thin clients. They've become very popular with our customers. Looking at your config, I see you have "X_RES_1". what is that variable? Straight LTSP doesn't use that. Only X_MODE_0 through X_MODE_2. To debug your situation, try setting SCREEN_01 = shell and boot the client to a bash prompt. Then, make sure the client has a hostname by running: hostname If it doesn't, then you need to specify your options by either IP address or MAC address. Just put the IP or MAC address inside the '[' and ']'. When you've got the client booted to a bash prompt, you can run: getltscfg -a | more and see all the variables that are being used for that client. Then you can see if the values are what you expect. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I've gotten an hp 5000 series thinclient from disklessworkstations.com to test > for a future implementation. These babies are sweet! Definetley our final > choice. Anyway...we currently have thinknic terminals in one building. The > configuration for the thinknics and the hp's will co-exist (for now). I have > my defaults in my lts.conf set for my thinknics. I'm manually adding the hp > settings. Problem is for some reason....my hp's run at 800x600 when I manually > specify and they'll run at 1024x768 (my desired) when I set them up in the > defaults section and get rid of the thinknic stuff. Any Ideas?: > > [Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > XSERVER = vesa > X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 #84Hz > X_RES_1 = 1024x768 > X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 > X_VERTREFRESH = 50-110 > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > RCFILE_01 = "usb" > X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 52m > NIS_DOMAIN = ltsp > LOCAL_APPS = N > LOCAL_WM = N > RUNLEVEL = 5 > SOUND = Y > SOUND_DAEMON = nasd > SMODULE_01 = cmpci > VOLUME = 100 > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # Example of specifying X settings for a workstation > # > [ws001] > XSERVER = "auto" > SMODULE_02 = "soundcore" > SMODULE_03 = "ac97_codec" > SMODULE_04 = "via82cxxx_audio" > X_MODE_0 = > X_RES_01 = "1024x768" > > > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Mar 23 22:19:12 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:19:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem In-Reply-To: <1080066148.25901.183.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20040323155841.GK20612@wizzy.com> <1080066148.25901.183.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4060B7E0.2070404@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: >>I think apt is bolted on to rpm, and does not always work great. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > This no longer true. Apt now uses the rpm libraries. I'm not saying it was suggested -- but please don't discontinue supporting apt. I am a debian user, and apt makes me feel at home. :) I tried yum, and it just didn't feel right. I assume it's all what you prefer, and since the apt/yum repository lives well together, hopefully we won't have to choose. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 23 22:40:22 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:40:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem In-Reply-To: <4060B7E0.2070404@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002b01c41127$d5fad9c0$1803010a@paasda.org> I'd like to reinforce Shawn's support... --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:19 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] rpm rebuild problem Eric Harrison wrote: >>I think apt is bolted on to rpm, and does not always work great. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > This no longer true. Apt now uses the rpm libraries. I'm not saying it was suggested -- but please don't discontinue supporting apt. I am a debian user, and apt makes me feel at home. :) I tried yum, and it just didn't feel right. I assume it's all what you prefer, and since the apt/yum repository lives well together, hopefully we won't have to choose. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From barbara.drake at sd72.bc.ca Tue Mar 23 22:48:56 2004 From: barbara.drake at sd72.bc.ca (Barbara Drake) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:48:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] mouse problem Message-ID: Can anyone help me with a mouse issue using StarOffice from a terminal. Only after I access the StarOffice Menu bar does the mouse start jumping around the page. I have tried with Gnome and IceWM. It doesn't happen in any other program. Thanks. Barbara Drake IT Technician School District No.72 (Campbell River) Campbell River, BC barbara.drake at sd72.bc.ca From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 23 22:51:50 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:51:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] time problem Message-ID: <1080082310.8272.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> I am seeing a very strange problem with some of our terminals. They are not displaying the correct time. The LTSP server is set up to use the NTP server time.nist.gov and that works fine but not all the terminals display the correct time. Only some of them do. The rest are off by 5 hours and I cannot imagine why. We're still on the RedHat 9 version because its just been so stable. The computer teacher is a MS person and he told me today that the LTSP system is the most stable he has ever seen. I only support the system in my spare time. Does anybody know how some terminals can display different times than others? Jack From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 23 23:10:55 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:10:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] time problem In-Reply-To: <1080082310.8272.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <002c01c4112c$1a26cc40$1803010a@paasda.org> Only idea I have is it's using the time from the bios? Have you tried setting that? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:52 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] time problem I am seeing a very strange problem with some of our terminals. They are not displaying the correct time. The LTSP server is set up to use the NTP server time.nist.gov and that works fine but not all the terminals display the correct time. Only some of them do. The rest are off by 5 hours and I cannot imagine why. We're still on the RedHat 9 version because its just been so stable. The computer teacher is a MS person and he told me today that the LTSP system is the most stable he has ever seen. I only support the system in my spare time. Does anybody know how some terminals can display different times than others? Jack _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 23 23:31:09 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:31:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: <1080082310.8272.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <002d01c4112e$edee4600$1803010a@paasda.org> Thanks to http:/www.yellowdoglinux.com and Shawn I just got G3's up an autoconnecting to K12LTSP!!! Yipee! Thanks a million! --Huck From dalen at czexan.net Tue Mar 23 23:29:03 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:29:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] time problem In-Reply-To: <1080082310.8272.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1080082310.8272.5.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <4060C83F.3060307@czexan.net> Jack wrote: >I am seeing a very strange problem with some of our terminals. They are >not displaying the correct time. The LTSP server is set up to use the >NTP server time.nist.gov and that works fine but not all the terminals >display the correct time. Only some of them do. The rest are off by 5 >hours and I cannot imagine why. > >We're still on the RedHat 9 version because its just been so stable. >The computer teacher is a MS person and he told me today that the LTSP >system is the most stable he has ever seen. I only support the system >in my spare time. > >Does anybody know how some terminals can display different times than >others? > >Jack > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Jack, Just a guess, but they might be set to different timezones. Thanks, Dale From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 24 00:02:46 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:02:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> I'm being told that utilizing a 32bit processor, my server will be limited to 4 gigs of usable RAM... anyone know the validity of this statement and if it IS valid how many machines am I looking at being able to run even with dual p4 2.8Ghz processors? I'm almost to crunch time where I spend my $5k or so on a server for this solution now that I got those G3's working with the little test server... Previous posts mentioned to account for about 128 MB on the server per client... So if 4gigs is the RAM limitation...reserving 256 MB for the server itself... I'd only be able to connect about 30 clients total simultaneously...and this would be at the lower end of performance I would think? Verifiable? Suggestions? --Huck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 24 00:34:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:34:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] local apps....explain? Message-ID: Hi all, Ok, this may seem like a stupid question, but I've never bothered to investigate it. What exactly does local apps do (in lts.conf)? I'm going to guess that somehow the apps migrate to the local machine and use the local machine's processing power? Is this the case....do they live in RAM or on the HD? Do they have to be preloaded on the local HD? the reason I'm asking....I have a whole lab of powerful (dual boot with floppies) Penitum 4 machines with 256 mb RAM....when kids are using Flash sites on the internet...their apps slow to a crawl. I was wondering if setting local apps for these machines might improve performance much in the way that it does when the apps (mozilla, etc) run from a local HD. Can someone explain how exactly local apps works? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 23 19:47:11 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:47:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <04032314502400.27886@newguy> so you are booting to yellowdog then exporting display from the server?....what do you need for memory on these machines to run yellowdog...my nubus machines with 75 meg proceesorrun mozilla/ooo/gimp on 32 meg run very nicely (except i have no right click for mouse......hhhm have to ask bill_c about his sysetm...chuck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 24 01:10:22 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:10:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <04032314502400.27886@newguy> Message-ID: <003001c4113c$c9f4f380$1803010a@paasda.org> The G3's running Yellowdog go straight into the k12ltsp server via Shawn's nifty inittab trickery =) I'm curious as to how the 'right-click' thingie will work with those 1 button mice as well... The Gimp utilizes right-click for a HUGE portion of it's menu items on the 'layer' sheet... My server RAM question was specifically how many stations can I connect to a server that has 4 gigs of RAM AND is 4 gigs of RAM truly the most usable on a 32-bit system...??? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:47 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question so you are booting to yellowdog then exporting display from the server?....what do you need for memory on these machines to run yellowdog...my nubus machines with 75 meg proceesorrun mozilla/ooo/gimp on 32 meg run very nicely (except i have no right click for mouse......hhhm have to ask bill_c about his sysetm...chuck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Mar 24 01:03:23 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:03:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] local apps....explain? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4060DE5B.1010101@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >Ok, this may seem like a stupid question, but I've never bothered to >investigate it. What exactly does local apps do (in lts.conf)? I'm going >to guess that somehow the apps migrate to the local machine and use the >local machine's processing power? Is this the case....do they live in RAM >or on the HD? Do they have to be preloaded on the local HD? the reason >I'm asking....I have a whole lab of powerful (dual boot with floppies) >Penitum 4 machines with 256 mb RAM....when kids are using Flash sites on >the internet...their apps slow to a crawl. I was wondering if setting >local apps for these machines might improve performance much in the way >that it does when the apps (mozilla, etc) run from a local HD. Can >someone explain how exactly local apps works? > > > Hmm. My understanding is they just need to be runnable on the booted workstation, so typically that would be loaded from the nfs mounted rootfs into workstation memory to execute. However this is probably not a solution for flash because it needs to be available as a plug-in to the browser. Which means you would have to run the browser, all its plugins, and any applications launched to handle files, on the workstation in order to run flash there. Local apps aside - this may help with flash performance: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8574 Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 24 01:24:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:24:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1080091452.25780.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 18:02, Huck wrote: > I'm being told that utilizing a 32bit processor, my server will be > limited to 4 gigs of usable RAM... No, If you run the bigmem kernel you can go up to 64gigs although a single process can still only have somewhere less than 4. You might be better off with opterons, though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Mar 24 01:39:00 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:39:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] time problem In-Reply-To: <002c01c4112c$1a26cc40$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002c01c4112c$1a26cc40$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1080092340.8272.10.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Yeah I thought of that but when I log into the terminal as root it displays the correct time. I am kind of zeroing in on the gnome profile being the problem. I am going to recreate a profile and see if that fixes it. Jack On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 18:10, Huck wrote: > Only idea I have is it's using the time from the bios? > Have you tried setting that? > > --Huck > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:52 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] time problem > > > I am seeing a very strange problem with some of our terminals. They are > not displaying the correct time. The LTSP server is set up to use the > NTP server time.nist.gov and that works fine but not all the terminals > display the correct time. Only some of them do. The rest are off by 5 > hours and I cannot imagine why. > > We're still on the RedHat 9 version because its just been so stable. > The computer teacher is a MS person and he told me today that the LTSP > system is the most stable he has ever seen. I only support the system > in my spare time. > > Does anybody know how some terminals can display different times than > others? > > Jack > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 24 01:50:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:50:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Boot Process In-Reply-To: <1079983989.25901.144.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <003101c41142$586f0100$1803010a@paasda.org> Which file(s) require editing in order to make Yellowdog boot directly Instead of giving the option to boot from 'cd' or 'yellowdog' And then the next screen is which to boot "hit tab for a list" like LILO... I only have Yellowdog on the machines and just want them to start up and GO! Would like to 'child-proof' them a bit =) --Huck From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Mar 24 01:43:47 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:43:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <04032314502400.27886@newguy> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> <04032314502400.27886@newguy> Message-ID: <1080092627.8272.14.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> I believe you simulate a right click by holding the closed or open apple keys and clicking. I am not sure though. I experimented with old power macs awhile back before I found LTSP On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 14:47, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > so you are booting to yellowdog then exporting display from the server?....what > do you need for memory on these machines to run yellowdog...my nubus machines > with 75 meg proceesorrun mozilla/ooo/gimp on 32 meg run very nicely (except i > have no right click for mouse......hhhm have to ask bill_c about his > sysetm...chuck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Mar 24 01:46:41 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:46:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Boot Process In-Reply-To: <003101c41142$586f0100$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003101c41142$586f0100$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1080092801.8272.18.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> that would depend if you machine falls into "old world mac" or "new world mac" catagories. With old world macs you are stuck with a more complicated boot process. If you have new world macs you should be able to use lilo or Yaboot. Jack On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 20:50, Huck wrote: > Which file(s) require editing in order to make Yellowdog boot directly > Instead of giving the option to boot from 'cd' or 'yellowdog' > And then the next screen is which to boot "hit tab for a list" like > LILO... > > I only have Yellowdog on the machines and just want them to start up and > GO! > Would like to 'child-proof' them a bit =) > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 24 02:05:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:05:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 button MAC Mice .. Right-clicking In-Reply-To: <1080091452.25780.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <003201c41144$6c756de0$1803010a@paasda.org> I found this at: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/solutions/champion_server/cs121.sh tml Hope this helps some... I have yet to try it 6pm time to go home =) --Huck Q: I have a one-button USB mouse. How do I right-click? "The manual tells me that I can use the numlock and equals keys as second and third mouse buttons. This doesn't seem to work with CS 1.2. How can I get this to work so I don't have to buy a three-button mouse?" First, you must be using the "input layer", which is present in the 2.2.18 kernel on our ftp site and will be the only option in YDL 2.0. Next, choose 2 keys to emulate the middle and right clicks from this page. (For example, 87 is F11 and 88 is F12.) Then add the following lines to /etc/sysctl.conf: dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation = 1 dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode = dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode = Reboot and your settings will take effect. To set key codes without rebooting, use echo like the following example: echo > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode This can be useful for testing. It should be noted that not all keys may be present or functioning on your keyboard, and particularly most Mac keyboards do not distinguish between right and left modifier keys. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 24 03:13:38 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:13:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to set up local apps? Message-ID: Ok...nyone have a step by step on exactly what I need to do to enable local appsin K12LTSP? Do I need to set up NIS or is it already running? Or is it enough to simply identify the terminal in lts.conf.....can someone point me in the right direction. Is it as simple as setting local apps = Y in lts.conf? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 24 03:13:04 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:13:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintosh Boot Process In-Reply-To: <003101c41142$586f0100$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003101c41142$586f0100$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4060FCC0.7050402@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > Which file(s) require editing in order to make Yellowdog boot directly > Instead of giving the option to boot from 'cd' or 'yellowdog' You want to set the timeout to .. well, nothing. The file is /etc/yaboot.conf -- and after editing it, you need to run ybin -v to save it to the bootstrap partition. This is assuming the fruity colored macs, or "new-world" -- with the old-world (beige) macs, you need to use bootx, or quik. (I've never been overly successful with quik, it's sorta hit and miss if it will work) I think the older macs used a bootx variant, miboot -- which I have no experience with. I'm still trying to find time to play with debian and get it installed instead of yellowdog. I just don't have enough hours in a day... :( -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 24 03:25:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:25:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 1 button MAC Mice .. Right-clicking In-Reply-To: <003201c41144$6c756de0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003201c41144$6c756de0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4060FFB5.6030301@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > Q: I have a one-button USB mouse. How do I right-click? I didn't look at your link -- but if you are using yellowdog 3.0.1, it has a nice initscript called "mouse-emulation" that allows you to set keys for the other buttons. I think it defaults to F12 and F11. Here's the quick HOW-TO from Shawn (me) if you don't have that script: echo "1" > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation echo "87" > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode # F11 echo "88" > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode # F12 you can copy/paste that on a commandline and test it. To make it automatic, just copy the 3 lines into /etc/rc.d/rc.local (make sure that file exists... I think that's where it is for most yellowdog versions -- basically, stick 'em somewhere they'll be executed on boot) Hope that helps! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 24 03:32:59 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:32:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] time problem In-Reply-To: <1080092340.8272.10.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <002c01c4112c$1a26cc40$1803010a@paasda.org> <1080092340.8272.10.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1080099178.26047.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 19:39, Jack wrote: > Yeah I thought of that but when I log into the terminal as root it > displays the correct time. I am kind of zeroing in on the gnome profile > being the problem. I am going to recreate a profile and see if that > fixes it. Everything you display on the terminal should be coming from the server. You must be setting the TZ variable for some of the users in the login process so they appear to be in different time zones. Linux time is always stored and computed in GMT/UTC and converted to local time according to the user's time zone for display. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 24 03:37:44 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:37:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <40610288.4020702@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > I'd only be able to connect about 30 clients total simultaneously...and > this would be at the lower end of > performance I would think? > > Verifiable? Suggestions? Unfortunately here -- using Macs as "chubby clients" (why not coin a new phrase, eh?) hasn't really been tested a whole lot. I imagine it would be similar to the usage from true thin clients, but since there are no NFS mounts, etc so it might be a little less. You might consider a few methods to reduce server load, like iceWM (especially without nautilus, it cuts down significantly) That would allow you get a few more clients per server. Wish I could give you better info. :( -SHawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 24 03:53:11 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:53:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) Message-ID: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> Ok, there's some serious macintosh activity going on now (woo hoo!) so I have to put out a few gotchas to see if anyone has feedback... - I haven't figured out a way to shut off the "chubby" clients once booted and connected to the LTSP server. I want to look at the inittab file, and see if you can map a keystroke to the "halt" command -- because right now I have to power off the computer by the switch. Since it's running an installed linux underneath, that risks disk damage. - Flash won't work for me. It crashes (silently) mozilla when I go to a flash site. I KNOW there is not a PPC Linux version of flash, but a remote X Session is running on the i386 machine, so it should work. Huck, Chuck, -- does flash work for you? Is it perhaps my X configuration on the mac? - mouse emulation sucks. Yes, it works great (see my last couple emails) but it's really frustrating to use keyboard buttons. The good news for Huck is that if he's using fruity G3s, he can get cheap usb "real" mice, and they work really well. - installing is still cumbersome. I have a few ideas for automating the process, but time... time... time... Does anyone know if linux can run from an HFS or HFS+ partition? I'm not on the DebianPPC list anymore, but perhaps I'll have to join again. Also, if I can get quik to work consistantly, we could avoid the need for MacOS at all -- which would allow for disk images to be distributed (a REAL plus for those that don't want to take the time to set up images for machines) - with the all-in-one computers (like my 5500s) does anyone know how to tweak the monitor? My displays are a bit off-center, and need to be stretched. I was thinking that maybe fbset would tweak stuff like that, but I haven't tried yet. Input would be appreciated. - lastly -- is the ltsp-ppc stuff Eric mentioned regarding using the Apple_Netboot technology to boot linux instead of MacOS? That would be great -- and since I have 2 labs booting MacOS from a linux server, I would love to try getting linux images to boot. That's one of the reasons I wonder if linux will boot from HFS, or exactly how to get Netboot to boot something other than MacOS. It would be nice if you just had to replace the MacOSROM file on the tftp server with a linux kernel.. but I'm sure it's not that simple. :) Sorry for blabbing on and on, but this is the stuff that is fun for me. It beats fixing printer jams... ;o) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From robark at telus.net Wed Mar 24 05:38:53 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:38:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD Message-ID: <200403232138.53327.robark@telus.net> My lab has Windows NT installed on the clients. I want a dual boot setup. Instead of using a floppy with rom-o-matic, I want to boot off the local hard drives by modifying boot.ini and put the rom-o-matic file on the hard drive. I have not done this and would like some help. I have heard it's possible but I don't know if it will work on ntfs. Has anyone done this?? Robert From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 24 11:20:56 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:20:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <003001c4113c$c9f4f380$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003001c4113c$c9f4f380$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <04032406214400.00880@newguy> ydl3 should f12-click...it did not work running my nfsmount..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 24 11:22:47 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:22:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <003001c4113c$c9f4f380$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <003001c4113c$c9f4f380$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <04032406231301.00880@newguy> i meant on the client...gor ram..chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 24 11:33:23 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:33:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) In-Reply-To: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> References: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <04032406353802.00880@newguy> you might try something called fbset..i think i have a .gz file at work you can ftp...What say those of us mucking with Mac do a mind meld on #ltsp freenode.net probably bill_c who seems doing the most with it will be on..chuck..set a time Eastern time and i will try to be free. chuck From jason at plug.ca Wed Mar 24 11:57:15 2004 From: jason at plug.ca (Jason Loughead) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:57:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Urgent Appeal In-Reply-To: References: <4055D018.90502@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <04031511471500.00392@newguy> <1079796705.28349.51.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1080129432.16151.11.camel@localhost> Hi Rick, Sorry I reply sooner but I've had alot on my plate lately. Progress is happening due to a broader community becoming involved in this project. I'm starting to feel like this may bloom into something bigger. The mailing address for PLUG's LTSP donation project is: PLUG (attn. Syd Weidman) 599 Wardlaw Avenue Winnipeg Manitoba R3L 0M3 In the next coming week I'll have had a chance to enumerate the boards and thier cpu requirements and let you know what they are. Thank you very much for your kind assistance, I'll keep you updated on our progress or feel free to visit http://plug.ca Regards, Jason Loughead Co-Founder of Prairie Linux User Group On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 17:32, Rick Konold wrote: > On Saturday 20 March 2004 07:31, you hammered the keyboard to write: > > Prairie Linux User Group has come into approximiately 30 computers for > > free from the University of Winnipeg. They are however missing cpu's > > (pentium I and 486 sx and dx's primarily) and ram 72 pin and 168 pin. We > > are asking for anyone who knows of a free or cheap supply of them to > > post to the mailing list. > > > > What we intend to do I stop the erosion of Open Source in University and > > Academia by obtaining one powerful machine (possibly an IBM donation) to > > serve as a terminal server for these low end machines. We may be able to > > enlist the help of C.T. Leung for technical help with performance > > issues, configuration etc since he has successfully setup LTSP at Sisler > > High School. > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7418&mode=thread&order=0&thold= > >0 > > > > Any advice, ideas, help would be greatly appreciated ( mail: > > info at plug.ca ) > > > > Sincerely > > Jason Loughead > > jason at plug.ca > > >From Metropolitan Portland, Oregon, the birthplace of K12LTSP: > > I am the Sales Coordinator for Free Geek in Portland. We recycle computers > to keep them out of landfills. The parts you are requesting are available > here at no cost to you. We have a grant's program for non-profit > organizations. See www.freegeek.org. However the parts you are seeking are > available without going through the grants process. I can mail them to you > directly if you provide 1) a full address for shipping. 2) a more detailed > list of your needs (processor size/how many of each, type RAM SIMM/DIMM PC66). > I will ship them at my own cost for your worthy project. > > Rick Konold > Sales Coordinator > & Linux Advocate > www.freegeek.org > rick at freegeek.org > cccs at teleport.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 24 11:37:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:37:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) In-Reply-To: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> References: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <04032407013503.00880@newguy> my understanding...put yaboot and yaboot.conf in /tftpboot..in yaboot.conf specify the kernel to download in dhcpd.conf specify filename=yaboot If you succeed take a snapshot with ethereal if you can for the rest of us.. Whta nic and video card are you dealing with??lspci -vvv and lspci -n should help chuck From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 24 12:02:09 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:02:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD In-Reply-To: <200403232138.53327.robark@telus.net> References: <200403232138.53327.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <04032407023104.00880@newguy> can you do a bootrom on the nic to do it easier??chuck From julius at turtle.com Wed Mar 24 13:41:02 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:41:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Huck wrote: > I'm being told that utilizing a 32bit processor, my server will be > limited to 4 gigs of usable RAM... > anyone know the validity of this statement and if it IS valid how many > machines am I looking at being > able to run even with dual p4 2.8Ghz processors? > > I'm almost to crunch time where I spend my $5k or so on a server for > this solution now that I got those G3's > working with the little test server... > > Previous posts mentioned to account for about 128 MB on the server per > client... > So if 4gigs is the RAM limitation...reserving 256 MB for the server > itself... > I'd only be able to connect about 30 clients total simultaneously...and > this would be at the lower end of > performance I would think? > > Verifiable? Suggestions? > Huck, the 4GB limit of directly addressable memory is real - it is the direct result of having only 32 bits in the address path. There are available "big memeory" kernels. My experience with several ranged from poor to dismal, ymmv. If you use an Opteron or 64bit Xeon based motherboard, you'll be able to put much more memory in use - the limitation will be the motherboard. I hear good things about Opteron boards. I have been using 64 bit systems for many years running HP-UX and I can tell you that having tons of memory is not only fun, but it is also addictive ;-) I am running 35 clients on a 32 bit dual Xeon 2.4GHz with 4GB memory and a decent scsi array. The response time is very good with typical load of gnome desktop, nautilus, oo, gnome terminal, mozilla and a few instances of evolution. this system is also used as backup file server. the memory is pretty much maxed out, but the swap is very lightly used. good luck, julius From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 24 13:43:28 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:43:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf questions In-Reply-To: <4163.170.211.161.150.1080076020.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <004001c411a6$002d5230$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I don't know crap about this yet, but in a glance your X_MODE_0 is = to "800X600", is it grabbing that setting? What would happen if you changed that to 1024X768? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:07 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf questions I've gotten an hp 5000 series thinclient from disklessworkstations.com to test for a future implementation. These babies are sweet! Definetley our final choice. Anyway...we currently have thinknic terminals in one building. The configuration for the thinknics and the hp's will co-exist (for now). I have my defaults in my lts.conf set for my thinknics. I'm manually adding the hp settings. Problem is for some reason....my hp's run at 800x600 when I manually specify and they'll run at 1024x768 (my desired) when I set them up in the defaults section and get rid of the thinknic stuff. Any Ideas?: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = vesa X_MODE_0 = "800x600" 60.21 800 840 1040 1120 600 602 614 640 #84Hz X_RES_1 = 1024x768 X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 50-110 X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" RCFILE_01 = "usb" X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 52m NIS_DOMAIN = ltsp LOCAL_APPS = N LOCAL_WM = N RUNLEVEL = 5 SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = nasd SMODULE_01 = cmpci VOLUME = 100 #----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- # # Example of specifying X settings for a workstation # [ws001] XSERVER = "auto" SMODULE_02 = "soundcore" SMODULE_03 = "ac97_codec" SMODULE_04 = "via82cxxx_audio" X_MODE_0 = X_RES_01 = "1024x768" -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 24 13:54:14 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:54:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf questions In-Reply-To: <004001c411a6$002d5230$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <4163.170.211.161.150.1080076020.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <004001c411a6$002d5230$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4445.170.211.161.150.1080136454.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Jim Kronebusch said: > I don't know crap about this yet, but in a glance your X_MODE_0 is = to > "800X600", is it grabbing that setting? What would happen if you > changed that to 1024X768? The best to my understanding is that is just used to calibrate the monitor. IT's just saying "at 800x600, this should be set to this" and it goes from there and figures out what the other resolutions would be. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm betting if I change that to 1024x768 nothing good will happen. But ya know...there's one way to find out! -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From dalen at czexan.net Wed Mar 24 14:03:52 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dalen) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:03:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <40610288.4020702@inlandlakes.org> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> <40610288.4020702@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40619548.9010202@czexan.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > Unfortunately here -- using Macs as "chubby clients" (why not coin a > new phrase, eh?) hasn't How about "Big Mac"? From petre at maltzen.net Wed Mar 24 14:11:45 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:11:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40619721.6070704@maltzen.net> Another way to get around the memory limitation would be to run some/all apps on separate servers. So, your clients connect to the LTSP server but the icon/menu selection runs, say, rsh to another box where, say, OOo is installed but displayed remotely on the client. This is what Largo, FL does. They don't run any apps on the terminal server, and they dedicate a server to each application. With this arrangement, they support over 200 users on a pair of terminal servers, and a couple of years ago they reported that each user on the terminal server was consuming about 13MB of RAM. It is, obviously, more complicated to set up; but then it also makes maintaining apps easier, because they don't interfere with each other, you can take an app server down and the other apps still run, etc. Petre Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Huck wrote: > >>I'm being told that utilizing a 32bit processor, my server will be >>limited to 4 gigs of usable RAM... >>anyone know the validity of this statement and if it IS valid how many >>machines am I looking at being >>able to run even with dual p4 2.8Ghz processors? >> >>I'm almost to crunch time where I spend my $5k or so on a server for >>this solution now that I got those G3's >>working with the little test server... >> >>Previous posts mentioned to account for about 128 MB on the server per >>client... >>So if 4gigs is the RAM limitation...reserving 256 MB for the server >>itself... >>I'd only be able to connect about 30 clients total simultaneously...and >>this would be at the lower end of >>performance I would think? >> >>Verifiable? Suggestions? >> > > Huck, > the 4GB limit of directly addressable memory is real - it is the > direct result of having only 32 bits in the address path. There are > available "big memeory" kernels. My experience with several ranged from > poor to dismal, ymmv. If you use an Opteron or 64bit Xeon based > motherboard, you'll be able to put much more memory in use - the > limitation will be the motherboard. I hear good things about Opteron > boards. I have been using 64 bit systems for many years running HP-UX and > I can tell you that having tons of memory is not only fun, but it is also > addictive ;-) > I am running 35 clients on a 32 bit dual Xeon 2.4GHz with 4GB > memory and a decent scsi array. The response time is very good with > typical load of gnome desktop, nautilus, oo, gnome terminal, mozilla and a > few instances of evolution. this system is also used as backup file > server. the memory is pretty much maxed out, but the swap is very lightly > used. > good luck, julius > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 24 14:15:25 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:15:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <40619548.9010202@czexan.net> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> <40610288.4020702@inlandlakes.org> <40619548.9010202@czexan.net> Message-ID: <200403240915.25844.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 09:03 am, dalen wrote: > > Unfortunately here -- using Macs as "chubby clients" ?(why not coin a > > new phrase, eh?) hasn't > How about "Big Mac"? "In other news, the Indian River tech director got a cease and desist order today from McDonalds International... As Shawn was stuffed into a police car, he was heard shouting, 'Those chicken nuggets will never fry my apple pie!!!' -- more on this hot story as it comes in..." -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From jerrylowery at wideopenwest.com Wed Mar 24 14:58:23 2004 From: jerrylowery at wideopenwest.com (Jerry Lowery) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:58:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Question In-Reply-To: <200403240915.25844.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> <40610288.4020702@inlandlakes.org> <40619548.9010202@czexan.net> <200403240915.25844.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4061A20F.2040902@wideopenwest.com> I've been given the opportunity to give a presentation to my daughter's elementary/middle school on alternative operating systems. A while back someone on the list posted a link with a nice presentation on K12LTSP and open source software in general. I have misplaced the URL. If someone would have the link, could you forward it to me? Thanks, Jerry Lowery Columbus, OH From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 24 14:52:33 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:52:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Question In-Reply-To: <4061A20F.2040902@wideopenwest.com> References: <002e01c41133$58584280$1803010a@paasda.org> < > <40610288.4020702@inlandlakes.org> <, > <40619548.9010202@czexan.net> <, > <200403240915.25844.spowers@inlandlakes.org> <,> <4061A20F.2040902@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >I've been given the opportunity to give a presentation to my daughter's >elementary/middle school on alternative operating systems. A while back >someone on the list posted a link with a nice presentation on K12LTSP >and open source software in general. I have misplaced the URL. If >someone would have the link, could you forward it to me? Go to www.k12os.org and look in "downloads"....a bunch of them are there....I have some too at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 24 15:00:44 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:00:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) In-Reply-To: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> References: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >That would be >great -- and since I have 2 labs booting MacOS from a linux server I'm working on re-working my current Mac OS X imaging situation (Maine has iBooks for every 7th and 8th grader in the state). http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID Anyway, I'm very intrigued as to how you are netbooting Macs from a Linux server....can you send me a how-to or point me to one and help me get one set up? Doing so may allow me to "invent" a pure open source way to "mass image" laptops using a linux server. :-) That'd be cool. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 24 15:00:44 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:00:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) In-Reply-To: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> References: <40610627.9040304@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >That would be >great -- and since I have 2 labs booting MacOS from a linux server I'm working on re-working my current Mac OS X imaging situation (Maine has iBooks for every 7th and 8th grader in the state). http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID Anyway, I'm very intrigued as to how you are netbooting Macs from a Linux server....can you send me a how-to or point me to one and help me get one set up? Doing so may allow me to "invent" a pure open source way to "mass image" laptops using a linux server. :-) That'd be cool. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 24 15:06:11 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:06:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: <002d01c4112e$edee4600$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <004301c411b1$8e6e1880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> How did you do it? Are you just running a local YDL install then changing the inittab to run the X -query? Or did you actually get it to boot from the kernel on the server? Only problem I have so far with the -query option is I don't know how to get sound since we are just mirroring an X display. But the -query works awesome for the Bondi iMacs, and G4 flatscreens as well. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:31 PM To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.' Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! Thanks to http:/www.yellowdoglinux.com and Shawn I just got G3's up an autoconnecting to K12LTSP!!! Yipee! Thanks a million! --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 24 15:09:53 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:09:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Collaborative tools? Message-ID: This is from a colleague of mine....any suggestions? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am hosting an interesting ?town meeting? here at MDIHS next month. The island group MDI tomorrow has asked me to set up a wireless collaborative network that will make it possible for 250 people to work on agenda items in small groups and share their results as a whole. This is the model that is used for the ?National Town Meetings?. This first attempt will involve setting up 25 tables in the gym to provide room for 250 attendees. Each table of 10 participants will have a wireless laptop where that table?s ?moderator/recorder? will record the important points of the discussion and ?send? that information to a Group leader who will collect and distill the input from all 25 tables and then send those results to a computer that will project the running results on two large screens via LCD projector for the entire group of 250 to see. I am working out the details and am asking for ideas from all the creative people I know. Do you have any suggestions about open source software that could be used to manage this kind of data exchange? Thanks for your thoughts. George Fatula Network Administrator / Technology Coordinator Mount Desert Island High School Phone: 207 - 288 - 5011 ext. 345 Fax: 207 - 288 - 3970 gfatula at mdihs.u98.k12.me.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried spadmin and only when its run as root will it print a testpage. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Mar 24 16:31:50 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:31:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B07D@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Julius Szelagiewicz [mailto:julius at turtle.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:41 AM >> >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Huck wrote: >> > I'm being told that utilizing a 32bit processor, my server >> > will be limited to 4 gigs of usable RAM... anyone know the >> > validity of this statement and if it IS valid how many >> > machines am I looking at being able to run even with dual >> > p4 2.8Ghz processors? >> >> If you use an Opteron or 64bit Xeon based motherboard, you'll >> be able to put much more memory in use - the limitation will >> be the motherboard. I hear good things about Opteron boards. >> I have been using 64 bit systems for many years running HP-UX >> and I can tell you that having tons of memory is not only fun, >> but it is also addictive ;-) Are there ISOs for the Opteron or would one need to compile from source? While I'm sure I *could* compile a system, I'd much rather not have to. The dual Opteron mother boards are very attractive and not priced much differently than dual Xeon boards but if the install is significantly more difficult, that may tip the scales the other way for me. On a related topic, does anyone know if the reports of problems with FC1 and the SMP kernel fixed with the 2.6.x kernel series? If so, I may just wait for FC2 based K12LTSP. -- Henry "still waiting to get approval to buy my server" Hartley From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Mar 24 16:34:16 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:34:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Question Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B07E@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry Lowery [mailto:jerrylowery at wideopenwest.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:58 AM >> >> I've been given the opportunity to give a presentation to my >> daughter's elementary/middle school on alternative operating >> systems. A while back someone on the list posted a link with >> a nice presentation on K12LTSP and open source software in >> general. I have misplaced the URL. If someone would have the >> link, could you forward it to me? I don't know if this is the one you are thinking of but the one I wrote is located here: http://www.dotrose.com/fourth/foss-ltsp/ Hope that helps. -- Henry Hartley From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Wed Mar 24 17:14:27 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:14:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice won't print Message-ID: <3113.170.211.161.150.1080148467.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Normal users can print everywhere else...but only Root can print from openoffice. I tried spadmin and only when its run as root will it print a testpage. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From JProdzinski at winona.edu Wed Mar 24 17:20:20 2004 From: JProdzinski at winona.edu (Prodzinski, Jeffrey P) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:20:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] KDM question... Message-ID: How do I make KDM use my .xsession file? It doesn't seem to. 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URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 24 17:24:42 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:24:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) Message-ID: <200403241619.i2OGJQD11829@downeast.net> the dhcp response is still screwed up for the ibook..bill_c is working on it and i think eric harrison (sent them both ethetreal results from netboot-reimaging ferom osx server)...) from there it seems like one could dd the image..not too sure how the hfs+ format works there...we need more infofrom osx server actually imaging an ibook..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dgough at papcs.com Wed Mar 24 17:33:40 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:33:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D9B@xms.papcs.com> > My lab has Windows NT installed on the clients. I want a dual > boot setup. > Instead of using a floppy with rom-o-matic, I want to boot > off the local hard > drives by modifying boot.ini and put the rom-o-matic file on > the hard drive. > I have not done this and would like some help. I have heard > it's possible > but I don't know if it will work on ntfs. Has anyone done this?? > > Robert You could run Cygwin on the NT machines and use it to connect to the K12LTSP server. This would require that the user boot into NT, and then run Cygwin, and inside Cygwin run xwin with the correct query string. Most of this could be scripted, I imagine, but it may still be too much overhead. Still, this sounds like a lot more work than just making a whack of boot floppies and handing them out at the beginning of class. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 24 17:34:50 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:34:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: <004301c411b1$8e6e1880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004301c411b1$8e6e1880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200403241234.50836.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 10:06 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > How did you do it? ?Are you just running a local YDL install then > changing the inittab to run the X -query? That's all I'm doing now. I had posed the question a while back about how to get the remote sound working -- I assume there must be some info about nasd, etc that could be installed on the local mac to get sound working. I know ZERO about sound on clients, and in fact have never gotten it to work on even intel clients, so I haven't tackled that. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Wed Mar 24 17:37:28 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:37:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe now what your looking for but heres what I do. mac OSX Server 10.2 installed on an imac in each subnet with netboot server SW loaded. I use a netrestore image from bombich.com I use our novell dhcp server for IP addresses. I host the final disk image on our more powerful Linux file server. So what happens is the client mac boots up. Gets a DHCP address, gets a system folder from the imac. The system folder it get is all set up to connect to the linux box and install the disk image. It's super slick. All I have to do is power on the machine, hold down the n key till the flashing earth pops up and that?s it. I come back 10 minutes later and it's reimaged and booted into the new OS! Check out netrestore on bombich.com for more detailed info on how it works. - Jamie On 3/24/04 7:00 AM, "David Trask" wrote: > "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution." writes: >> That would be >> great -- and since I have 2 labs booting MacOS from a linux server > > I'm working on re-working my current Mac OS X imaging situation (Maine has > iBooks for every 7th and 8th grader in the state). > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID > > Anyway, I'm very intrigued as to how you are netbooting Macs from a Linux > server....can you send me a how-to or point me to one and help me get one > set up? Doing so may allow me to "invent" a pure open source way to "mass > image" laptops using a linux server. :-) That'd be cool. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From trondrm at online.no Wed Mar 24 17:42:05 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:42:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving users from 3.0 server to 4.0.1 server Message-ID: <4061C86D.3060207@online.no> I have set up new servers. They are all 4.0.1. I have an older server, 3.0, which is being taken out of service. I want to move the users from the 3.0 server to one of the new 4.0.1 servers. What is the easiest way of doing this? I want to preserve usernames, passwords and home dirs with settings if possible. Regards Trond M?hlum From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 24 17:44:32 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:44:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Limitations (long email) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403241244.32497.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 12:37 pm, jamie wrote: > I use a netrestore image from bombich.com Looking at this info -- I'm guessing that after an image is CREATED with a OSX server, it could be deployed using a linux-based netboot server. If you have the image in place, and you can just copy it over -- you could use the links I provided a few days ago to figure out the netboot-without-an-osx-server process. I've never done anything but booted clients as netboot -- never seen or done network install images, etc. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 24 17:52:12 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:52:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D9B@xms.papcs.com> References: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D9B@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <1080150732.27953.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 11:33, Doug Gough wrote: > You could run Cygwin on the NT machines and use it to connect to the > K12LTSP server. This would require that the user boot into NT, and then > run Cygwin, and inside Cygwin run xwin with the correct query string. > Most of this could be scripted, I imagine, but it may still be too much > overhead. Still, this sounds like a lot more work than just making a > whack of boot floppies and handing them out at the beginning of class. On the other hand it might save a lot of trouble dealing with which NIC and video card each machine uses. If you add the -fullscreen option to Cygwin's Xwin program it will cover up the windows toolbar and should be the same as a thin client except that alt-tab will cycle through the MS-windows windows instead of the X windows so you can still get to the MS programs. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 24 19:08:59 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:08:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Question In-Reply-To: <4061A20F.2040902@wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <007601c411d3$79d6fa00$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I thought a couple that David had at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/ were pretty good, and the last flurry of mail on this I think helped create the following http://www.ossadvocacy.org/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Lowery Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:58 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation Question I've been given the opportunity to give a presentation to my daughter's elementary/middle school on alternative operating systems. A while back someone on the list posted a link with a nice presentation on K12LTSP and open source software in general. I have misplaced the URL. If someone would have the link, could you forward it to me? Thanks, Jerry Lowery Columbus, OH _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 24 19:25:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:25:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD In-Reply-To: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E84065D9B@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <007701c411d5$d6e93350$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> I use a program called BootIt NG from www.terabyteunlimited.com to do my multiple boot systems. For the cost of $40 it makes an excellent boot manager and a real cool partitioning tool. Very awesome. But if you want to save the $40 I would think you could just partition the drive into one large drive for your NT install, then a very small drive to house the image from your etherboot floppy. My guess would be you could then copy all the files from the etherboot floppy into the small partition, and then load Windows NT on the larger partition. If NT doesn't detect it on install and automatically add it to the boot.ini, just open the boot.ini in notepad and add another line for the small partition. [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\LTSP="LTSP Thin Client" /fastdetect Not sure if this would work, but I don't see why it wouldn't. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:34 AM To: robark at telus.net; A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD > My lab has Windows NT installed on the clients. I want a dual > boot setup. > Instead of using a floppy with rom-o-matic, I want to boot > off the local hard > drives by modifying boot.ini and put the rom-o-matic file on > the hard drive. > I have not done this and would like some help. I have heard > it's possible > but I don't know if it will work on ntfs. Has anyone done this?? > > Robert You could run Cygwin on the NT machines and use it to connect to the K12LTSP server. This would require that the user boot into NT, and then run Cygwin, and inside Cygwin run xwin with the correct query string. Most of this could be scripted, I imagine, but it may still be too much overhead. Still, this sounds like a lot more work than just making a whack of boot floppies and handing them out at the beginning of class. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 24 19:28:24 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:28:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: <200403241234.50836.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <007801c411d6$307eb3e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> The only thing I have sound working on is the Term150 diskless workstation. I haven't even had the time to try on anything else. To me sound isn't very important, but teachers want it available for the younger crowd to keep them interested (The sound just drives me insane in a lab). If you hear of a way to get sound please let me know. But thanks for the work on the inittab mods for the -query option. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:35 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! On Wednesday 24 March 2004 10:06 am, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > How did you do it? ?Are you just running a local YDL install then > changing the inittab to run the X -query? That's all I'm doing now. I had posed the question a while back about how to get the remote sound working -- I assume there must be some info about nasd, etc that could be installed on the local mac to get sound working. I know ZERO about sound on clients, and in fact have never gotten it to work on even intel clients, so I haven't tackled that. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Mar 24 22:23:49 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:23:49 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Using K12LTSP for internet cafe In-Reply-To: <405FD78F.7020005@mumby.co.za> References: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405F521D.8080409@mumby.co.za> <1079991905.1102.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405FD78F.7020005@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1080166086.1105.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Dean, I'm looking into this right now. Cheers, Bert On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 18:22, Dean Mumby wrote: > Sorry Bert > > i looked into this over a year ago and got the name wrong , took a bit > of searching but here is the link > > http://akinimod.sourceforge.net/icafe.html > > Regards > Dean > > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > >Thanks Dean, > > > >I used the search for kiosk yesterday. > > > >Do you mean use icafe in google OR on the K12OSN site? > > > >Cheers, > >Bert > > > >On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 08:52, Dean Mumby wrote: > > > > > >>have a search for icafe , its pretty comprehensive > >> > >>Regards > >>Dean > >> > >> > >>Bert Rolston wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi folks, > >>> > >>>I know this is a not strictly K12 stuff, but do know this has been done. > >>> > >>>I have a client who wants to migrate from MS to Linux on his machines. > >>>He would be willing to make a donation to a Linux based project in lieu > >>>of MS licenses. > >>> > >>>I can see how a thin client model could work well. > >>> > >>>He does have specific requirements that I can discuss later, should this > >>>be necessary. > >>> > >>>For those on list who have used K12LTSP as the base for an internet > >>>cafe. Could you tell me any gotchas that you have struck, and what has > >>>worked in your situation. > >>> > >>>Thanks for your help. > >>> > >>>Bert > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ================================== Bert Rolston Computer Support Ltd. Mobile - 027 264 0851 ================================== Specialising in system support alternative solutions and Linux operating system ================================== From haynest at mchsi.com Wed Mar 24 22:22:34 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:22:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Collaborative tools? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008301c411ee$825da3c0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> David... Have you looked at moodle? www.moodle.org I was on a committee that used moodle to manage threads, post minutes, track feedback. It worked really well. I use it with my classes, but don't take advantage of the collaboration as much there. A link to a working moodle site I am using with a PreCalc class is http://academies.culver.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=12&username=guest I see in the sig that you folks are from Mt. Desert Island. I lived in NE Harbor as a kid and went to the Elementary school there. Small world, etc. Regards... Tom -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:10 AM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Collaborative tools? This is from a colleague of mine....any suggestions? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am hosting an interesting ?town meeting? here at MDIHS next month. The island group MDI tomorrow has asked me to set up a wireless collaborative network that will make it possible for 250 people to work on agenda items in small groups and share their results as a whole. This is the model that is used for the ?National Town Meetings?. This first attempt will involve setting up 25 tables in the gym to provide room for 250 attendees. Each table of 10 participants will have a wireless laptop where that table?s ?moderator/recorder? will record the important points of the discussion and ?send? that information to a Group leader who will collect and distill the input from all 25 tables and then send those results to a computer that will project the running results on two large screens via LCD projector for the entire group of 250 to see. I am working out the details and am asking for ideas from all the creative people I know. Do you have any suggestions about open source software that could be used to manage this kind of data exchange? Thanks for your thoughts. George Fatula Network Administrator / Technology Coordinator Mount Desert Island High School Phone: 207 - 288 - 5011 ext. 345 Fax: 207 - 288 - 3970 gfatula at mdihs.u98.k12.me.us --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 24 22:30:37 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:30:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: <004301c411b1$8e6e1880$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004401c411ef$a32ce1a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Jim, Yes local YDL install and inittab edit to X -query ... I would LOVE to get it 'thin' to save time...Oh..sound...that I haven't tested(even on the test pc's) Yeah..the Multimedia Teacher just might want to have that feature..sound.. Well more work for me!! Thanks Jim! =) --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:06 AM To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! How did you do it? Are you just running a local YDL install then changing the inittab to run the X -query? Or did you actually get it to boot from the kernel on the server? Only problem I have so far with the -query option is I don't know how to get sound since we are just mirroring an X display. But the -query works awesome for the Bondi iMacs, and G4 flatscreens as well. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:31 PM To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.' Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! Thanks to http:/www.yellowdoglinux.com and Shawn I just got G3's up an autoconnecting to K12LTSP!!! Yipee! Thanks a million! --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 25 00:36:51 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:36:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B07D@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B07D@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <406229A3.4070907@cmosnetworks.com> There are two solutions I can think of. 1.) Install SuSE Linux Enterprise Server for AMD64 and install LTSP on top of that. 2.) Install Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS for AMD64 and install the K12LTSP RPMs for White Box on top of of that. I don't yet have a dual Opteron box (will be some time before I can afford one!), and therefore I haven't yet been able to test this. However, remember that the Opteron executes 32-bit code just fine, even when running in 64-bit mode. Thus, even though the K12LTSP apps are 32-bit, the kernel would be 64-bit and thus able to address all that memory above 4GB with aplomb. Each individual 32-bit app will only be able to see 4GB, but if you really, really need OpenOffice.org to suck up 4GB by itself, then I'd like to come to work for you! :-) --TP Henry Hartley wrote: >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Julius Szelagiewicz [mailto:julius at turtle.com] >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:41 AM >>> >>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Huck wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I'm being told that utilizing a 32bit processor, my server >>>>will be limited to 4 gigs of usable RAM... anyone know the >>>>validity of this statement and if it IS valid how many >>>>machines am I looking at being able to run even with dual >>>>p4 2.8Ghz processors? >>>> >>>> >>>If you use an Opteron or 64bit Xeon based motherboard, you'll >>>be able to put much more memory in use - the limitation will >>>be the motherboard. I hear good things about Opteron boards. >>>I have been using 64 bit systems for many years running HP-UX >>>and I can tell you that having tons of memory is not only fun, >>>but it is also addictive ;-) >>> >>> > >Are there ISOs for the Opteron or would one need to compile from >source? While I'm sure I *could* compile a system, I'd much >rather not have to. The dual Opteron mother boards are very >attractive and not priced much differently than dual Xeon boards >but if the install is significantly more difficult, that may tip >the scales the other way for me. > >On a related topic, does anyone know if the reports of problems >with FC1 and the SMP kernel fixed with the 2.6.x kernel series? >If so, I may just wait for FC2 based K12LTSP. > > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Mar 25 01:12:22 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:12:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice won't print In-Reply-To: <3113.170.211.161.150.1080148467.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3113.170.211.161.150.1080148467.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <7866E162-7DF9-11D8-8A68-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How did you set up your OOo install? Check profile permissions, that might give you/us some clues. On Mar 24, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Normal users can print everywhere else...but only Root can print from > openoffice. I tried spadmin and only when its run as root will it > print a > testpage. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkBiMfYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSGtgCeOhrkRWo1u96s8FaJSieNUn2F 89AAn2fkdpWqhSGvlRqtMyXeaUWNiAnd =Fk+A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 25 01:26:38 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:26:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Server RAM question In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F38B07D@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Henry Hartley wrote: >Are there ISOs for the Opteron or would one need to compile from >source? While I'm sure I *could* compile a system, I'd much >rather not have to. The dual Opteron mother boards are very >attractive and not priced much differently than dual Xeon boards >but if the install is significantly more difficult, that may tip >the scales the other way for me. Well one of my districts just bought a dual Opteron box. Since I'll have to support the damn thing , I'll try to make it easy to reproduce. My current plan is to do a setup like I've done with RHEL, an updates floppy & a yum/apt repository that makes it fairly simple to do a K12LTSP install using the stock FC1 x86_64 isos. >On a related topic, does anyone know if the reports of problems >with FC1 and the SMP kernel fixed with the 2.6.x kernel series? >If so, I may just wait for FC2 based K12LTSP. I doubt the same issue would exist in FC2, although other issues may exist. FC1 uses a 2.4 kernel, FC2 will use a 2.6 kernel I've been running the FC2 development packages on my laptop for quite a while now. I just switched my desktop over this weekend. With the exception of a couple upgrade gotchas, all is working quite well. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 25 01:40:00 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:40:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: <007801c411d6$307eb3e0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >The only thing I have sound working on is the Term150 diskless >workstation. I haven't even had the time to try on anything else. To >me sound isn't very important, but teachers want it available for the >younger crowd to keep them interested (The sound just drives me insane >in a lab). If you hear of a way to get sound please let me know. But >thanks for the work on the inittab mods for the -query option. Here's a theory on how to get sound to work in the environment, completely untested ;-) First, you'll want to try esd rather than nasd. Nasd is a pain to compile and the default K12LTSP one won't work on PPC. Esd will be included in YDL, so that is a better bet. Make sure sound is working before making the "-query" change to inittab. Once sound is working as a "fat" client, in addition to making the "-query" change, also add this line to /etc/inittab esd:5:respawn:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 I can't remember off-hand (and can't test at the moment) if esd automatically runs as a daemon or not. The man page implies that it does not. But if it does, the above line will have to be changed to: esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 Now you can set your K12LTSP server to use esd, in lts.conf set: SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" If my theory is correct, sound should now work with the mac in "thin" mode. -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 25 01:38:46 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:38:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving users from 3.0 server to 4.0.1 server In-Reply-To: <4061C86D.3060207@online.no> References: <4061C86D.3060207@online.no> Message-ID: <04032420392302.00850@newguy> i have moved /etc/passwd group shadow and gshadow to move user accts..chuck From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Mar 25 02:02:04 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:02:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] non-profit to give linux boxes to kids? In-Reply-To: <405FD78F.7020005@mumby.co.za> References: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405F521D.8080409@mumby.co.za> <1079991905.1102.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405FD78F.7020005@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <40623D9C.4050208@snet.net> hey, I received a few odds/ends from my church and elsewhere and built one standalone linnux box that is now in my classroom. I have enough parts to bild one more in my office right now. Since I am leaving the school after this year and there is no one in the building with any experience with linux or even a desire to learn to support it's use, I figured I would give it away to a student at the end of the year, have a writing contest (Persuasive essay on why schools shouls use OSS, or expsotiry essay on what is OSS/Linux/GPL or some such thing, not fleshed out yet). This encouraged me to seek out more stuff. I put out a few feelers on a free swap mail list locally for computer hardware/parts to build a lab for my kids. I had put a phone call into the Faith Middleton show (local NPR show) on her non-profit swap show, etc., and I've received such an overwhelming response, I'm not quite sure what to do. I thinking about starting a non-profit org to rebuild old copmuters and load them up with linux and give them away to deserving students/schools. But I haven't the slightest idea how to go about starting such a thing, and both time and money are precious. Ideas? -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Mar 25 02:09:33 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:09:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice won't print In-Reply-To: <3113.170.211.161.150.1080148467.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3113.170.211.161.150.1080148467.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <40623F5D.7050605@cfl.rr.com> You will need to run the spadmin utility as root to configure printers for OpenOffice. http://www.k12ltsp.org/server.html https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-June/msg00572.html Two different things to try. Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Normal users can print everywhere else...but only Root can print from > openoffice. I tried spadmin and only when its run as root will it print a > testpage. > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Mar 25 02:13:21 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:13:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office In-Reply-To: <1079978694.19771.28.camel@mercury> References: <1079978694.19771.28.camel@mercury> Message-ID: <40624041.90502@cfl.rr.com> Martin Stevens wrote: > Hi, > > I've just upgraded K12LTSP3.12 with apt using the fedora mirrors > > However I now have a problem with Openoffice. > > With some user accounts it just work, with some it keeps cycling round > the setup/install routine. > > So what I have done on a user account is cleared out the old .sversionrc > and the .openoffice folders and tried running it again to get the setup > to complete again. > > But the initial setup seems to stall, > > Checking for existing user installation ... NOT FOUND > Performing first time installation for user ..... > > > Nothing for 30 minutes > > Hmmm. > > How would I go about recreating the initial config and the having the > users accounts upgraded to use the latest OO version ? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated > > Thanks > > Martin Stevens > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Brian Chase Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OpenOffice won't print Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:09:33 -0500 Size: 1310 URL: From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Thu Mar 25 02:26:57 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:26:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] non-profit to give linux boxes to kids? In-Reply-To: <40623D9C.4050208@snet.net> References: <1079982922.1127.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405F521D.8080409@mumby.co.za> <1079991905.1102.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <405FD78F.7020005@mumby.co.za> <40623D9C.4050208@snet.net> Message-ID: <40624371.5030909@cfl.rr.com> You can start here for some background and eductation. http://nosi.net/primer/NOSIPrimer.pdf anthony baldwin wrote: > hey, > > I received a few odds/ends from my church and elsewhere and built one > standalone linnux box that is now in my classroom. I have enough parts > to bild one more in my office right now. Since I am leaving the school > after this year and there is no one in the building with any experience > with linux or even a desire to learn to support it's use, I figured I > would give it away to a student at the end of the year, have a writing > contest (Persuasive essay on why schools shouls use OSS, or expsotiry > essay on what is OSS/Linux/GPL or some such thing, not fleshed out yet). > This encouraged me to seek out more stuff. I put out a few feelers on > a free swap mail list locally for computer hardware/parts to build a lab > for my kids. I had put a phone call into the Faith Middleton show > (local NPR show) on her non-profit swap show, etc., and I've received > such an overwhelming response, I'm not quite sure what to do. I > thinking about starting a non-profit org to rebuild old copmuters and > load them up with linux and give them away to deserving students/schools. > But I haven't the slightest idea how to go about starting such a thing, > and both time and money are precious. > Ideas? -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 25 02:21:30 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:21:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Collaborative tools? In-Reply-To: <008301c411ee$825da3c0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> References: <008301c411ee$825da3c0$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> Message-ID: <04032421221603.00850@newguy> yep recognized you as one of Moses Haynes greater garndchildren!! chuck From jamtat at mailsnare.net Thu Mar 25 02:56:44 2004 From: jamtat at mailsnare.net (James Miller) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:56:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] non-profit to give linux boxes to kids? In-Reply-To: <20040325022311.D38A5737FE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040325022311.D38A5737FE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 anthony baldwin wrote: > I received a few odds/ends from my church and elsewhere and built one > standalone linnux box that is now in my classroom. I have enough parts > to bild one more in my office right now. Since I am leaving the school > after this year and there is no one in the building with any experience > with linux or even a desire to learn to support it's use, I figured I > would give it away to a student at the end of the year, have a writing > contest (Persuasive essay on why schools shouls use OSS, or expsotiry > essay on what is OSS/Linux/GPL or some such thing, not fleshed out yet). > This encouraged me to seek out more stuff. I put out a few feelers on > a free swap mail list locally for computer hardware/parts to build a lab > for my kids. I had put a phone call into the Faith Middleton show > (local NPR show) on her non-profit swap show, etc., and I've received > such an overwhelming response, I'm not quite sure what to do. I > thinking about starting a non-profit org to rebuild old copmuters and > load them up with linux and give them away to deserving students/schools. > But I haven't the slightest idea how to go about starting such a thing, > and both time and money are precious. > Ideas? www.freegeek.org might be a good resource for ideas an links. James From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 25 03:07:24 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:07:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to set up local apps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04032422085402.01058@newguy> i have notes on local apps from when Jim Mcq helped me thru it..nis and ssh keys..chuck From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 25 04:06:01 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:06:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice won't print In-Reply-To: <7866E162-7DF9-11D8-8A68-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <3113.170.211.161.150.1080148467.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <7866E162-7DF9-11D8-8A68-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1171.66.138.175.61.1080187561.squirrel@66.138.175.61> Burke Almquist said: > How did you set up your OOo install? > Check profile permissions, that might give you/us some clues. Huh? =) I have a printer setup in cups (hp4300) I added eric's yum repos to my whitebox yum and ran "yum install openoffice" I logged in as root and cranked up openoffice. Typed something...clicked print...and it prints. Try the above with a normal user and it just goes through the motions. I've run spadmin and tried adding another printer manually there and none of that works. I can also run spadmin as root, click on print test page with the generic printer and it works. I can su as another user, crank up spadmin and click test page, and it goes through the motions but nothing prints. No errors in the console window either. What gives? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 25 04:41:45 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:41:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app In-Reply-To: <4059B692.3090604@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <040201c40cf7$8d9b30f0$6700a8c0@OFFICE> <4059B692.3090604@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <40626309.7010903@earthlink.net> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Rita Gibson wrote: > >> Hello everyone: >> >> I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a school >> would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I don't >> really know >> what to search on (don't know what it is called) to find previous >> discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist currently but >> folks are >> wanting and needing it? Our school is looking for a database system for >> schools and asked me to see if there is an Open Source option. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Rita Gibson >> Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > I"m looking into OpenAdmin. Getting ready to install it today. > Thanks, I'll pass this along. BTW, how is it going? Rita Gibson Rocky Mountain School of Expeditionary Learning From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 25 04:43:48 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:43:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app In-Reply-To: <405A1C45.70009@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <405A1C45.70009@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <40626384.1020104@earthlink.net> Chris Hobbs wrote: > Gee John, if I asked for information on getting a car would you send > me to www.ussteel.com? :) > > Spencer, John wrote: > >> www.mysql.com >> >> Rita Gibson Sent: >> >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> >>> I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a >>> school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I >>> don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) to >>> find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist >>> currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is looking >>> for a database system for schools and asked me to see if there is an >>> Open Source option. >> > I am thinking myself that MySQL was pretty much a do-it-yourself project. Wish I knew enough about databases and programming to be able to whip something up! Rita From hendersonh at unit5.org Thu Mar 25 05:25:09 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:25:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice won't print In-Reply-To: <1171.66.138.175.61.1080187561.squirrel@66.138.175.61> Message-ID: There is a command you must run from Ooo as a regular user first before it will work for you. Check out the OO.org website. It has the instructions on it. I had to do this on a suse box before it would work for a regular user. HTH Thanks On 3/24/04 10:06 PM, "Caleb Wagnon" wrote: > Burke Almquist said: >> How did you set up your OOo install? >> Check profile permissions, that might give you/us some clues. > > Huh? =) > > I have a printer setup in cups (hp4300) > > I added eric's yum repos to my whitebox yum and ran "yum install openoffice" I > logged in as root and cranked up openoffice. Typed something...clicked > print...and it prints. Try the above with a normal user and it just goes > through the motions. I've run spadmin and tried adding another printer > manually there and none of that works. I can also run spadmin as root, click > on print test page with the generic printer and it works. I can su as another > user, crank up spadmin and click test page, and it goes through the motions > but nothing prints. No errors in the console window either. What gives? From andyr at wizzy.com Thu Mar 25 10:47:09 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:47:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD In-Reply-To: <200403232138.53327.robark@telus.net> References: <200403232138.53327.robark@telus.net> Message-ID: <20040325104708.GW20612@wizzy.com> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > My lab has Windows NT installed on the clients. I want a dual boot setup. > Instead of using a floppy with rom-o-matic, I want to boot off the local hard > drives by modifying boot.ini and put the rom-o-matic file on the hard drive. > I have not done this and would like some help. I have heard it's possible > but I don't know if it will work on ntfs. Has anyone done this?? I have a solution posted at ttp://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ I use Toms Root/Boot to boot to linux to run lilo. I do not think, however, that Toms Root/Boot has NTFS support. I think that knoppix might, and if it does, my solution would work - as lilo uses absolute disk blocks. Cheers, Andy! From andyr at wizzy.com Thu Mar 25 11:09:00 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:09:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] KDM question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040325110900.GX20612@wizzy.com> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Prodzinski, Jeffrey P wrote: > How do I make KDM use my .xsession file? It doesn't seem to. > chmod +x ~/.xsession Cheers, Andy! From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 25 13:54:52 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:54:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c41270$c22ef170$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Thanks a lot. I am sure many will benefit from this advice if it works. I will try to test it today. My sound works locally with YDL on my test macs already, I will just have to make sure it is using esd. I have a iMac Bondi, iMac Indigo, iMac G4 flat panel, and a PowerBook WallStreet to test this with. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:40 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >The only thing I have sound working on is the Term150 diskless >workstation. I haven't even had the time to try on anything else. To >me sound isn't very important, but teachers want it available for the >younger crowd to keep them interested (The sound just drives me insane >in a lab). If you hear of a way to get sound please let me know. But >thanks for the work on the inittab mods for the -query option. Here's a theory on how to get sound to work in the environment, completely untested ;-) First, you'll want to try esd rather than nasd. Nasd is a pain to compile and the default K12LTSP one won't work on PPC. Esd will be included in YDL, so that is a better bet. Make sure sound is working before making the "-query" change to inittab. Once sound is working as a "fat" client, in addition to making the "-query" change, also add this line to /etc/inittab esd:5:respawn:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 I can't remember off-hand (and can't test at the moment) if esd automatically runs as a daemon or not. The man page implies that it does not. But if it does, the above line will have to be changed to: esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 Now you can set your K12LTSP server to use esd, in lts.conf set: SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" If my theory is correct, sound should now work with the mac in "thin" mode. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 25 14:24:23 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:24:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice won't print In-Reply-To: References: <1171.66.138.175.61.1080187561.squirrel@66.138.175.61> Message-ID: <4198.170.211.161.150.1080224663.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Heath Henderson said: > There is a command you must run from Ooo as a regular user first before it > will work for you. > > Check out the OO.org website. It has the instructions on it. I had to do > this on a suse box before it would work for a regular user. Man I'm been rumming through the docs all morning and can't find a thing. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 25 14:35:03 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:35:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] More on My openoffice printing dellima Message-ID: <35230.170.211.161.220.1080225303.squirrel@170.211.161.220> I've changed the print command to kprinter -stdin and same old same old. Root can print but no one else can. No error messages...just goes through the motions. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 25 15:07:25 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:07:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] More on My openoffice printing dellima In-Reply-To: <35230.170.211.161.220.1080225303.squirrel@170.211.161.220> References: <35230.170.211.161.220.1080225303.squirrel@170.211.161.220> Message-ID: <4062F5AD.8010602@maltzen.net> You may have already looked into this, but I'll mention it as it's bitten me a couple of times: Be sure your users have the default paper type set to Letter and not A4, or most printers in the US won't print it. Assuming that's not the issue, you might try to monitor the print spooler directory to see if anything is getting there; if it is, but nothing's printing, that would suggest something in the file isn't kosher. I think the directory is somewhere under /var/spool/cups if you're using cups, and /var/spool/lpd if you're using lpd. HTH. One other thing to try: have a user print to a file, postscript, pdf, or otherwise, and see if that comes out. Petre Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I've changed the print command to kprinter -stdin and same old same old. Root > can print but no one else can. No error messages...just goes through the > motions. > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 25 15:33:57 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:33:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apt sources list...can someone post? Message-ID: Can someone post the latest apt sources list for K12LTSP 4.01.....I hosed mine and can't find a backup....thx David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Thu Mar 25 15:29:07 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:29:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? Message-ID: <4062FAC3.50502@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi List, I hope you guys can help me. I work for a non-profit in South Africa. We've installed almost 30 computer labs in schools using K12 3.1.4 and recently 4.0.0. The problem is, the servers that runs 4.0.0 seems to freeze more often than the 3.1.4 servers. Actually, the 3.1.4 servers seem quite solid. The specs vary, most common hardware in the servers are gigabyte intel 875 boards and s-ata hard drives. Have any of you guys experienced problems with 4? Is there something I can do to improve the stability? Or is it just co-incedence? Any advice would be appreciated, Thanks and regards Jonathan From button at gti.net Thu Mar 25 15:43:25 2004 From: button at gti.net (Daniel Button) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:43:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD Message-ID: <1080229404.2695.14.camel@brendam> Hi, I have not seen anybody suggesting to use the Windows boot loader for NT. You can boot linux from it. I have done soemthing similar with the boot image with Windows 98, so I expect that the results should be similar. I downloaded my boot file from www.rom-o-matic.net. The file I requested for download has a ".com" extension so that it will boot in the DOS environment. I put the file in a sub directory and modified the config.sys and autoexec.bat files to give a choice between windows and ltsp. The ltsp option would call the bootrom file with the ".com" extension and do a net boot from the server into lstp. Works great. I expect that you could do the same in NT with the boot.ini file. Edit the file to include another line with the path and filename plus what you want the option to be called. (c:\tmp\etherboot.com LTSP) I have done this to have dual-boot boxes for Linux and Windows. Works great. Easier than lilo or grub unfortunate to say! (I love my GRUB!!) There is a mini-howto for doing multi-boot with the windows boot loader at http://tldp.org. Check it out. Just substitute the boot file that it suggests with you bootfile.com from rom-o-matic. You won't need a seperate partition. Hope that this helps!! Dan Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:25:55 -0600 From: "Jim Kronebusch" Subject: RE: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD To: "'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.'" Message-ID: <007701c411d5$d6e93350$1b1b060a at winonacotter.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I use a program called BootIt NG from www.terabyteunlimited.com to do my multiple boot systems. For the cost of $40 it makes an excellent boot manager and a real cool partitioning tool. Very awesome. But if you want to save the $40 I would think you could just partition the drive into one large drive for your NT install, then a very small drive to house the image from your etherboot floppy. My guess would be you could then copy all the files from the etherboot floppy into the small partition, and then load Windows NT on the larger partition. If NT doesn't detect it on install and automatically add it to the boot.ini, just open the boot.ini in notepad and add another line for the small partition. [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\LTSP="LTSP Thin Client" /fastdetect Not sure if this would work, but I don't see why it wouldn't. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gough Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:34 AM To: robark at telus.net; A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD > My lab has Windows NT installed on the clients. I want a dual > boot setup. > Instead of using a floppy with rom-o-matic, I want to boot > off the local hard > drives by modifying boot.ini and put the rom-o-matic file on > the hard drive. > I have not done this and would like some help. I have heard > it's possible > but I don't know if it will work on ntfs. Has anyone done this?? > > Robert You could run Cygwin on the NT machines and use it to connect to the K12LTSP server. This would require that the user boot into NT, and then run Cygwin, and inside Cygwin run xwin with the correct query string. Most of this could be scripted, I imagine, but it may still be too much overhead. Still, this sounds like a lot more work than just making a whack of boot floppies and handing them out at the beginning of class. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 25 16:07:38 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:07:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Useful tool...Linux saves the day! Message-ID: First of all...this is very cool....I had a computer (Win XP) where the admin password would not work....nor would any others. In most case that's a death knell. Then I found this http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html It's a Linux based rescue disk that allows you to go into any NT, 2000, or XP system and rest the password. Very cool and it works great. I used the CD based version....downloaded the zip file....unzipped and burned the ISO. One thing I learned....setting the password to blank works better than trying to change it. Just set it to blank....then go into Windows and change it. Works slick and saved me from reimaging. Funny how Linux was able to save Windows from itself....(sorry...couldn't resist) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 25 16:06:45 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:06:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: <4062FAC3.50502@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <4062FAC3.50502@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <1080230804.31139.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 09:29, Jonathan Carter wrote: > The problem is, the servers that runs 4.0.0 seems to freeze more often > than the 3.1.4 servers. Actually, the 3.1.4 servers seem quite solid. > > The specs vary, most common hardware in the servers are gigabyte intel > 875 boards and s-ata hard drives. > > Have any of you guys experienced problems with 4? Is there something I > can do to improve the stability? Or is it just co-incedence? Some people on the list have reported frequent crashes with dual processor machines. It seems to be related to a bug in 'mount' but does not affect everyone. The latest fedora kernels may help but not completely solve the problem. Has anyone tried dropping the whitebox kernel into an otherwise stock 4.0.0 or 4.0.1 system yet? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Thu Mar 25 16:19:27 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:19:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: <1080230804.31139.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4062FAC3.50502@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <1080230804.31139.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4063068F.9040102@chartermi.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 09:29, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> The problem is, the servers that runs 4.0.0 seems to freeze more >> often than the 3.1.4 servers. Actually, the 3.1.4 servers seem >> quite solid. >> >> Have any of you guys experienced problems with 4? Is there >> something I can do to improve the stability? Or is it just >> co-incedence? > > Some people on the list have reported frequent crashes with dual > processor machines. Has anyone tried dropping the whitebox kernel > into an otherwise stock 4.0.0 or 4.0.1 system yet? I haven't had to do it, but I've read of people on the Fedora Core lists who've done what you said, drop just the whitebox kernel into an otherwise stock Fedora Core system and had immediate success. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 25 16:24:31 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:24:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c41285$a9d07da0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Eric, do I have to install esd on the server first or is it already there? I am running 3.1.2 on the test box. Also the default lts.conf was set to SOUND_DAEMON = nasd Without the quotes. Does 3.1.2 need the quotes once I change the line to = esd ? Also, my local YDL on the macs does already have sound, but should I run some sort of test to be sure it is running esd? I already tried to add the new line in the inittab and changed the lts.conf line on the server. Didn't work yet, hence the prior questions. I did however manage to kill sound for my PC terminals. I changed back to nasd on the lts.conf and my PC terminal sound came back. My current test PC terminals I am checking are the Term150's. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:40 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >The only thing I have sound working on is the Term150 diskless >workstation. I haven't even had the time to try on anything else. To >me sound isn't very important, but teachers want it available for the >younger crowd to keep them interested (The sound just drives me insane >in a lab). If you hear of a way to get sound please let me know. But >thanks for the work on the inittab mods for the -query option. Here's a theory on how to get sound to work in the environment, completely untested ;-) First, you'll want to try esd rather than nasd. Nasd is a pain to compile and the default K12LTSP one won't work on PPC. Esd will be included in YDL, so that is a better bet. Make sure sound is working before making the "-query" change to inittab. Once sound is working as a "fat" client, in addition to making the "-query" change, also add this line to /etc/inittab esd:5:respawn:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 I can't remember off-hand (and can't test at the moment) if esd automatically runs as a daemon or not. The man page implies that it does not. But if it does, the above line will have to be changed to: esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 Now you can set your K12LTSP server to use esd, in lts.conf set: SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" If my theory is correct, sound should now work with the mac in "thin" mode. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.643 / Virus Database: 411 - Release Date: 3/25/2004 From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Thu Mar 25 16:37:12 2004 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:37:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, ClamAV & Evolution Message-ID: <40630AB8.80204@www.rpmhealthstop.org> Hello everybody! I have spent the past couple of days trying to get ClamAV and Amavis-ng scanning email from Ximian Evolution. I have went to testvirus.org and sent sample email messages to an account of the K12LTSP. Unfortunately, they are getting through. Also I can save the attachment, then when I run clamscan it picks up that the file is the eicar test. Our K12LTSP box is connected to our LAN with a direct connection to our router. I am using K12LTSP Client with Evolution with the POP3/IMAP settings from our ISP. Can you tell me first if what I am trying to do with ClamAV and Amavis-ng is possible? If not, are there any suggestions? Thanks, Mike From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 25 17:29:33 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:29:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: <000701c41285$a9d07da0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Eric, do I have to install esd on the server first or is it already >there? You should not need to install esd on the server. You can verify that you have it installed with: rpm -q esound >I am running 3.1.2 on the test box. Also the default lts.conf >was set to >SOUND_DAEMON = nasd >Without the quotes. Does 3.1.2 need the quotes once I change the line >to = esd ? It is a good habit to put it in quotes, but not strictly needed for a single parameter. (something like VARIABLE = "param1 param2" must be quoted) With K12LTSP 3.1.2, the SOUND_DAEMON variable must be global. Your x86 clients should work again if you reboot them. K12LTSP 4.0 added support for having SOUND_DAEMON on a per-client basis. >Also, my local YDL on the macs does already have sound, but should I run >some sort of test to be sure it is running esd? I believe you can still hit "Ctrl-Alt-F1" to get to a command line login prompt. If you can, login and run: ps auxw | grep esd you should see somthing like: (made up, it won't look exactly the same) root 883 0.0 0.0 4796 516 pts/4 R 09:27 0:00 /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 >I already tried to add the new line in the inittab and changed the >lts.conf line on the server. Didn't work yet, hence the prior >questions. I did however manage to kill sound for my PC terminals. I >changed back to nasd on the lts.conf and my PC terminal sound came back. >My current test PC terminals I am checking are the Term150's. > >Thanks Worse case, set SOUND_DAEMON back to nasd and reboot the Term150's.... -Eric >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Eric Harrison >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:40 PM >To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS >Linux distribution. >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! > > >On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>The only thing I have sound working on is the Term150 diskless >>workstation. I haven't even had the time to try on anything else. To >>me sound isn't very important, but teachers want it available for the >>younger crowd to keep them interested (The sound just drives me insane >>in a lab). If you hear of a way to get sound please let me know. But >>thanks for the work on the inittab mods for the -query option. > >Here's a theory on how to get sound to work in the environment, >completely untested ;-) > > >First, you'll want to try esd rather than nasd. Nasd is a pain to >compile and the default K12LTSP one won't work on PPC. Esd will be >included in YDL, so that is a better bet. > >Make sure sound is working before making the "-query" change to inittab. > >Once sound is working as a "fat" client, in addition to making the >"-query" change, also add this line to /etc/inittab > > > esd:5:respawn:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 > > >I can't remember off-hand (and can't test at the moment) if esd >automatically runs as a daemon or not. The man page implies that it does >not. But if it does, the above line will have to be changed >to: > > esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 > > >Now you can set your K12LTSP server to use esd, in lts.conf set: > > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > > >If my theory is correct, sound should now work with the mac in "thin" >mode. > > >-Eric > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 25 17:54:24 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:54:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone post /etc/apt/sources list for me? Message-ID: Can someone post the latest apt sources list for K12LTSP 4.01.....I hosed mine and can't find a backup....thx David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From edwardsj at leonardisd.net Thu Mar 25 17:57:03 2004 From: edwardsj at leonardisd.net (Jerome Edwards) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:57:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] MS Access similar sortware Message-ID: <4867.207.235.220.198.1080237423.squirrel@_default_> We need to teaching database applications in one of our high school K12LTSP labs. I am looking for a similar program to Microsoft Access. Thanks, Jerome Edwards Technology Support Leonard ISD Tech Dept. www.leonardisd.net The information contained in this message is confidential and is intended for the addressees only. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems, please notify the sender immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 25 18:21:50 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:21:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c41296$0df411b0$1b1b060a@winonacotter.org> Eric, Rpm -q esound returned okay on the server. Part of the problem with the client was /bin/esd didn't seem to be there. I changed the inittab to /usr/bin/esd and it said successfully on boot that it was listening on port 16001. The ps auxw | grep esd on the client after the Ctrl-Alt-F1 did return a similar line as what you indicated, weird thing is that the first three times I issue the command I get two lines after that only one. The extra line lists "grep esd" in place of "/usr/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001". I however am still short on sound when fully booted. But a good sign is that when I Ctrl-Alt-F1 to the command line I receive error beeps on the client if I punch something it wrong. This is progress, I never heard these beeps before. I am now going to try the :once: option instead of :respawn:. Maybe that will fix something. I am also assuming there is no reason to order in the inittab file and am just throwing the two new commands at the end of the file, first esd, then x. My sound on the Term150's just goes to a steady high pitch beeping, but I have no problem with that at this point. I would be very happy with a dedicated Mac lab. On a side note, Shawn, the Ctrl-Alt-F1 appears to let you out of the X query and issue a reboot command without crashing the local YDL. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:30 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Eric, do I have to install esd on the server first or is it already >there? You should not need to install esd on the server. You can verify that you have it installed with: rpm -q esound >I am running 3.1.2 on the test box. Also the default lts.conf was set >to >SOUND_DAEMON = nasd >Without the quotes. Does 3.1.2 need the quotes once I change the line >to = esd ? It is a good habit to put it in quotes, but not strictly needed for a single parameter. (something like VARIABLE = "param1 param2" must be quoted) With K12LTSP 3.1.2, the SOUND_DAEMON variable must be global. Your x86 clients should work again if you reboot them. K12LTSP 4.0 added support for having SOUND_DAEMON on a per-client basis. >Also, my local YDL on the macs does already have sound, but should I >run some sort of test to be sure it is running esd? I believe you can still hit "Ctrl-Alt-F1" to get to a command line login prompt. If you can, login and run: ps auxw | grep esd you should see somthing like: (made up, it won't look exactly the same) root 883 0.0 0.0 4796 516 pts/4 R 09:27 0:00 /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 >I already tried to add the new line in the inittab and changed the >lts.conf line on the server. Didn't work yet, hence the prior >questions. I did however manage to kill sound for my PC terminals. I >changed back to nasd on the lts.conf and my PC terminal sound came >back. My current test PC terminals I am checking are the Term150's. > >Thanks Worse case, set SOUND_DAEMON back to nasd and reboot the Term150's.... -Eric >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Eric Harrison >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:40 PM >To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS >Linux distribution. >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] G3's up and running! > > >On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>The only thing I have sound working on is the Term150 diskless >>workstation. I haven't even had the time to try on anything else. To >>me sound isn't very important, but teachers want it available for the >>younger crowd to keep them interested (The sound just drives me insane >>in a lab). If you hear of a way to get sound please let me know. But >>thanks for the work on the inittab mods for the -query option. > >Here's a theory on how to get sound to work in the environment, >completely untested ;-) > > >First, you'll want to try esd rather than nasd. Nasd is a pain to >compile and the default K12LTSP one won't work on PPC. Esd will be >included in YDL, so that is a better bet. > >Make sure sound is working before making the "-query" change to >inittab. > >Once sound is working as a "fat" client, in addition to making the >"-query" change, also add this line to /etc/inittab > > > esd:5:respawn:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 > > >I can't remember off-hand (and can't test at the moment) if esd >automatically runs as a daemon or not. The man page implies that it >does not. But if it does, the above line will have to be changed >to: > > esd:5:once:/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 > > >Now you can set your K12LTSP server to use esd, in lts.conf set: > > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > > >If my theory is correct, sound should now work with the mac in "thin" >mode. > > >-Eric > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.643 / Virus Database: 411 - Release Date: 3/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.643 / Virus Database: 411 - Release Date: 3/25/2004 From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 25 18:35:22 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:35:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: <1080230804.31139.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 09:29, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > > The problem is, the servers that runs 4.0.0 seems to freeze more often > > than the 3.1.4 servers. Actually, the 3.1.4 servers seem quite solid. > > > > The specs vary, most common hardware in the servers are gigabyte intel > > 875 boards and s-ata hard drives. > > > > Have any of you guys experienced problems with 4? Is there something I > > can do to improve the stability? Or is it just co-incedence? > > Some people on the list have reported frequent crashes with dual > processor machines. It seems to be related to a bug in 'mount' > but does not affect everyone. The latest fedora kernels may help > but not completely solve the problem. Has anyone tried dropping > the whitebox kernel into an otherwise stock 4.0.0 or 4.0.1 > system yet? > Les, I've dropped the kernel from 3.1.2 into 4.0.0 and the ibm dual processor mobos continued freezing on me. they work flawlessly with 3.x.y installs. julius From jfaletra at sau16.org Thu Mar 25 18:40:15 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:40:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try Addabas by Sun Microsystems. I haven't yet but I have heard it's pretty good. Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org From Art_Grimm at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Thu Mar 25 18:46:44 2004 From: Art_Grimm at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Art Grimm) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:46:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie 4.01 client sync issues Message-ID: I was able to install k12ltsp 4.01. Tested it with a workstation booted off a floppy. Worked great, impressed the boss. I then moved the server to a test lab. I wanted to try it out with more than one workstation. Went through the boot process but right after the cl login (prior to the server's gui load) the monitor would not sync. Back in my test environment it worked fine. Figured out that different monitors were the culprit. Apple monitor in the test environment and a Komodo in the lab. Went to the kodomo site and found the hor. and vert. sync values. I reinstalled a clean system with the monitor values. This worked! Went to boot the client (with the komodo monitor) goes through the boot process but loses the sync right before the gui load. Unplug the komodo and plug in just about any other monitor and it sync just fine. Any suggestions thanks, Art Art Grimm Network and Web Manager Gresham-Barlow School District 1444 SE 5th Ave Gresham, Oregon 97080 phone: 503.465.8240 fax: 503.465.2101 art_grimm at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 25 19:15:00 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:15:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice won't print --*resolved* Message-ID: <3878.170.211.161.150.1080242100.squirrel@170.211.161.150> I've finally changed the command to kprinter --stdin. Now I have 2 printer dialogs to click through but everyone is printing. I had to make sure defaults were set to US letter and switch that command. I wonder what the deal was? Thanks to all for your help in getting this resolved. For future reference I'm including the configuration I was having the problems with. WBEL--Eric's k12ltsp 3 packages IceWM--lite Openoffice 1.0.2 Cups print services HP 4300n laserjet We're currently piloting hp 5300 terminals (from diskless workstations.com---awesome) and ltsp as a teacher desktop solution. Surprisingly...things are looking good. Especially now that they can print ;-) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Mar 25 19:29:58 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:29:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] What is best way to install software on RH AS3 Message-ID: Hi, I am using Redhat AS3 because of oracle certifies their database on it and the cost for schools is not much. My issue is that their package manager only displays a few of the total packages available and displays them as sets. I need to have access to all the packages and not have to install a set that contains many packages I do not want. So far the only way I can do this is either (1) search their cd's by hand to find the packages I want and install them or (2) install a set and then delete the packages I do not want. Any ideas on other options are most appreciated. cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 25 20:08:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:08:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080245337.32094.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 12:35, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > I've dropped the kernel from 3.1.2 into 4.0.0 and the ibm dual > processor mobos continued freezing on me. they work flawlessly with 3.x.y > installs. julius Perhaps the bug is in the way the current /bin/mount and /sbin/mount* interact with the kernel. Have you tried whitebox or 4.0.1 with the whitebox kernel on one of your problem boxes? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Mar 25 20:20:15 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:20:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD Message-ID: Hi Andy, I have dual booted stand-alone NT and linux clients, both from the standard nt boot loader. I posted how I did this to the list about a year ago. No floppies or second boot loaders... I'll search around for how I did this. I dumped NT from the nt loader last September for all of the 30 boxes in the lab. Kind of strange to use the nt boot loader with a time delay of 0 to boot Linux!! I'll get around to dumping the ntfs partitions and use a free dos boot with the executable rom... Sometime... Jim _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From julius at turtle.com Thu Mar 25 20:43:06 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:43:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: <1080245337.32094.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 12:35, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > I've dropped the kernel from 3.1.2 into 4.0.0 and the ibm dual > > processor mobos continued freezing on me. they work flawlessly with 3.x.y > > installs. julius > > Perhaps the bug is in the way the current /bin/mount and > /sbin/mount* interact with the kernel. Have you tried > whitebox or 4.0.1 with the whitebox kernel on one of your > problem boxes? Les, it is in the plans but not yet tried - the supplier of time has slipped the schedule and there are still only 27 hours to my day ;-) julius From ckacoroski at nsd.org Thu Mar 25 21:07:42 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:07:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Impact of filesystems on performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74CA28E0-7EA0-11D8-BFAA-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Hi, I have been doing some testing of a 3ware raid card and found a problem with ext3 filesystems on the 3ware card (not sure if this applies to other kinds of raid devices). Tests to replicate are: Write: time dd if=/dev/zero of=/mountpoint/bigfile bs=1024k count=1024 Read: time dd if=/mountpoint/bigfile of=/dev/null bs=1024k count=1024 For concurrent tests, I just used different file names and started up mulitple xterms. I took the average of three test runs for the numbers below. Using Ext3, when doing a single read or write I was getting 41MB/s, 2 concurrent writes was 36MB/s, and when I changed to a concurrent read and write it dropped to 4.5MB/s. On the advice of 3ware I changed to the jfs filesystem and saw a big improvement. Single read or write is 60MB/s, 2 concurrent writes are 79MB/s, a concurrent read and write was 99MB/s, and 1 read with 2 writes concurrently was 100MB/s. Summary, if you use SATA disks, I highly recommend using the jfs filesystem over the ext3 filesystem. cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From csitech at practical.edu Thu Mar 25 21:11:24 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:11:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question Message-ID: This question really isn't of any great importance. We are currently testing K12LTSP at the college I work for. We've connected two clients to the server (we're using an old server at the moment,just testing, waiting to actually implement it until this summer). I noticed this morning that the client with more RAM (64MB) began programs, logged in, etc, noticably faster than the client that only has 32MB. It's not a big deal to us, but I was curious if the amount of RAM in the client made a difference as to how quickly programs would load, etc. Thanks in advance. Calvin Park Associate Director of Computer Services Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry ----- Email: csitech at practical.edu WWW: http://www.practical.edu Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 Fax: 607.729.2962 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Thu Mar 25 21:23:07 2004 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:23:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Impact of filesystems on performance In-Reply-To: <74CA28E0-7EA0-11D8-BFAA-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> References: <74CA28E0-7EA0-11D8-BFAA-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> Message-ID: <40634DBB.1030903@chartermi.net> Chris Kacoroski wrote: > Hi, > > I have been doing some testing of a 3ware raid card and found a problem > with ext3 filesystems on the 3ware card (not sure if this applies to > other kinds of raid devices). Tests to replicate are > > Using Ext3, when doing a single read or write I was getting 41MB/s, 2 > concurrent writes was 36MB/s, and when I changed to a concurrent read > and write it dropped to 4.5MB/s. On the advice of 3ware I changed to > the jfs filesystem and saw a big improvement. Single read or write is > 60MB/s, 2 concurrent writes are 79MB/s, a concurrent read and write was > 99MB/s, and 1 read with 2 writes concurrently was 100MB/s. Has anyone seen similar results with the 3ware 7500 and parallel ata drives? I run my samba/apache/cups file/print servers on 3ware 7500 with 200GB ata drives with ext3 on Redhat 8. And based on what I've been seeing with webminstats, and just watching the throughput when I copying a couple of gigabytes of files while users logging in and out and moving their windows profiles back and forth, I see the file system really slow down. -- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.k12.mi.us From pantz at lqt.ca Thu Mar 25 21:41:23 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:41:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] newbie 4.01 client sync issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40635203.1030406@lqt.ca> Art Grimm wrote: >I was able to install k12ltsp 4.01. Tested it with a workstation booted off a floppy. Worked great, impressed the boss. I then moved the server to a test lab. I wanted to try it out with more than one workstation. Went through the boot process but >right after the cl login (prior to the server's gui load) the monitor would not sync. Back in my test environment it worked fine. > >Figured out that different monitors were the culprit. Apple monitor in the test environment and a Komodo in the lab. Went to the kodomo site and found the hor. and vert. sync values. I reinstalled a clean system with the monitor values. This worked! > >Went to boot the client (with the komodo monitor) goes through the boot process but loses the sync right before the gui load. Unplug the komodo and plug in just about any other monitor and it sync just fine. > >Any suggestions > > Yep - don't use the komodo monitor - it's giving you too much grief :) No seriously, it sounds like the komodo monitor needs special attention - that means if it needed special attention when plugged into the server - it's gonna need special attention when used with a thin client. The special settings you would need are the X_MODE parameters in your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file. Check out these links for some ideas of what to use : http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN1022 http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html hope that helps pantz ** -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 25 22:16:27 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:16:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app In-Reply-To: <40626384.1020104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005201c412b6$d2ff21a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Eduadmin...*warning* seems to be Australian or British style of info --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rita Gibson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:44 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app Chris Hobbs wrote: > Gee John, if I asked for information on getting a car would you send > me to www.ussteel.com? :) > > Spencer, John wrote: > >> www.mysql.com >> >> Rita Gibson Sent: >> >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> >>> I think I have seen folks on this list discussing software that a >>> school would use to keep track of information on students, etc. I >>> don't really know what to search on (don't know what it is called) >>> to find previous discussions -- have I seen that this does not exist >>> currently but folks are wanting and needing it? Our school is >>> looking for a database system for schools and asked me to see if >>> there is an Open Source option. >> > I am thinking myself that MySQL was pretty much a do-it-yourself project. Wish I knew enough about databases and programming to be able to whip something up! Rita _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 25 22:14:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:14:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Impact of filesystems on performance In-Reply-To: <40634DBB.1030903@chartermi.net> References: <74CA28E0-7EA0-11D8-BFAA-000393C2CEC6@nsd.org> <40634DBB.1030903@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <1080252897.32338.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 15:23, Eric Feldhusen wrote: > ...just watching the throughput when copying a couple of > gigabytes of files while users logging in and out > and moving their windows profiles back and forth, I see > the file system really slow down. Linux buffers everything on a least-recently-used basis. If you copy some huge amount of files (relative to your free/buffer RAM) you will force everything else out of buffer. Then you have to wait for the disk head to go get it again the next time you need it on the read side and on the write side things have to wait for buffers to be flushed and freed. Different file systems can make some small difference in disk head optimization, but for big differences you either need to spread the activity across more independent disks or throw more RAM at it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 25 17:32:30 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:32:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04032512342500.01758@newguy> fwiw--my last smp i just dumped the rh9 smp kernel in and it works,,,without the zippy feeling fc1 single cpu had on a relic machine here in the lab.chuck From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Thu Mar 25 23:09:31 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:09:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: <04032512342500.01758@newguy> References: <04032512342500.01758@newguy> Message-ID: <1097.66.138.175.97.1080256171.squirrel@66.138.175.97> cliebow at downeast.net said: > fwiw--my last smp i just dumped the rh9 smp kernel in and it works,,,without > the zippy feeling fc1 single cpu had on a relic machine here in the lab.chuck That'll work but I'd really recommend getting the wbel smp kernel. It'll have that zippy feelin' and be new ;) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From tim at litwiller.net Thu Mar 25 23:12:28 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:12:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long Message-ID: <4063675C.1070504@litwiller.net> here is the network diagram do=district office rms=middle school rhs=highschool pe=elementary school do network 172.16.96.x <-> 172.16.127.x netmask 255.255.224.0 eth1 do router ip address 172.16.96.1 eth0 do to rms interface ip 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 static routes route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 | | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.0.3 and 10.0.0.103 | eth1 rms to do radio interface ip 10.0.0.103 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 rms router ip address 172.16.32.1 rms network 172.16.32.x <-> 172.16.63.x netmask 255.255.224.0 eth2 rms to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.2 route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 | | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.1.3 and 10.0.1.103 | eth1 rhs to rms radio interface ip 10.0.1.102 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 rhs router ip address 172.16.1.1 rhs network 172.16.0.x <-> 172.16.31.x netmask 255.255.224.0 rhs gateway to internet 172.16.1.254 rhs windows file server 172.16.0.1 eth2 rhs to pe radio interface ip 10.0.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.102 | | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.2.3 and 10.0.2.103 | eth0 pe to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.2.102 netmask eth1 pe router ip address 172.16.64.1 pe network 172.16.64.x <-> 172.16.95.x netmask 255.255.224.0 route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 the problem seems to be some setting on the rms router at the console of the machine from do I can ping rms from rms I can ping rhs and pe and do from rhs I can ping all and internet from pe I can ping all and internet from laptop on each network from do I can ping do and rms from rms I can ping do and rms from rhs I can ping all and internet from rhs I can ping all and internet so rms isn't passing anything from eth1 and eth0 thru to eth2 in /etc/sysctrl I have net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth2/proxy_arp the output of each of these is 1 From krasnofb at nwrel.org Thu Mar 25 23:29:53 2004 From: krasnofb at nwrel.org (Basha Krasnoff) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:29:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? Message-ID: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> Colleagues, If you are using open source software in K-12, please take ten minutes to complete our online user survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss. The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology Consortium (NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and decision-making tools. Our unique, research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions about Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) draws on survey responses to address such questions as, "What advantages does OSS afford educators? Can it save money? Close digital divides? Support effective learning communities?" Open Options provides analysis of the issues faced when adopting open source software in K-12 settings and offers suggestions about how to decide if it's right for you. It suggests ways to talk with stakeholders and how to take the next steps. K-12 OSS users please complete our online survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss And if you are a K-12 decision-maker evaluating your investment in OSS, please consider investing about 30 minutes in a phone interview to share your insights into the true costs and outcomes of adopting and implementing open source solutions. E-mail Basha Krasnoff at oss.survey at netc.org or call her at 1.800.547.6339 to schedule an interview. We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on open source software at upcoming conferences like ACPE, NCCE, and NECC. Freely share this invitation to participate with other educators, especially via e-mail lists. Thank you. (NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source software project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit institution.) Basha Krasnoff Research and Evaluation Specialist Technology in Education Center (NETC) Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory 101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 Portland, Oregon 97204 Tel: 503.275.9643 Fax: 503.275.0449 E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 25 23:46:31 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:46:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? In-Reply-To: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> Message-ID: <40636F57.2050906@cmosnetworks.com> My district needs six figures in the "How many students in your district" field. That field will take only five, and "200K" is rejected by your survey. --TP Basha Krasnoff wrote: >Colleagues, > >If you are using open source software in K-12, please take ten minutes to >complete our online user survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss. > >The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology Consortium >(NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct >extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 >users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and >decision-making tools. > >Our unique, research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions about >Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) draws on >survey responses to address such questions as, "What advantages does OSS >afford educators? Can it save money? Close digital divides? Support >effective learning communities?" > >Open Options provides analysis of the issues faced when adopting open source >software in K-12 settings and offers suggestions about how to decide if it's >right for you. It suggests ways to talk with stakeholders and how to take >the next steps. > >K-12 OSS users please complete our online survey at >http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss > >And if you are a K-12 decision-maker evaluating your investment in OSS, >please consider investing about 30 minutes in a phone interview to share >your insights into the true costs and outcomes of adopting and implementing >open source solutions. >E-mail Basha Krasnoff at oss.survey at netc.org or call her at 1.800.547.6339 >to schedule an interview. > >We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on open >source software at upcoming conferences like ACPE, NCCE, and NECC. Freely >share this invitation to participate with other educators, especially via >e-mail lists. > >Thank you. > >(NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source software >project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest Regional >Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit institution.) > >Basha Krasnoff >Research and Evaluation Specialist >Technology in Education Center (NETC) >Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory >101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 >Portland, Oregon 97204 >Tel: 503.275.9643 >Fax: 503.275.0449 >E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 25 23:51:38 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:51:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4063708A.4050603@cmosnetworks.com> No, it shouldn't. None of the apps are actually running on the client at all; they're all running on the server and merely are displayed on the client. The only "large" app running on the client is the X11 server itself, and that fits nicely into 32MB. Most of my clients have 32MB DRAM, and they run just as fast as if they have 48MB or 64MB. Matter of fact, I've actually pulled DRAM out of a client so that it'll boot faster (less DRAM to go through during POST). One thing that definitely will affect speed is whether or not your client's network connection is running at 100Mbps, full duplex. I'd check that out. --TP Calvin Park, ACDS wrote: >This question really isn't of any great importance. We are currently testing >K12LTSP at the college I work for. We've connected two clients to the server >(we're using an old server at the moment,just testing, waiting to actually >implement it until this summer). I noticed this morning that the client with >more RAM (64MB) began programs, logged in, etc, noticably faster than the >client that only has 32MB. It's not a big deal to us, but I was curious if >the amount of RAM in the client made a difference as to how quickly programs >would load, etc. Thanks in advance. > >Calvin Park >Associate Director of Computer Services >Davis College: A Practical School of Bible and Ministry >----- >Email: csitech at practical.edu >WWW: http://www.practical.edu >Phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 >Fax: 607.729.2962 >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From krasnofb at nwrel.org Thu Mar 25 23:54:01 2004 From: krasnofb at nwrel.org (Basha Krasnoff) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:54:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? Message-ID: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2BA@nt2.nwrel.org> TP--Thanks for being so prompt to respond. We'll look into the problem immediately. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Basha -----Original Message----- From: Terrell Prude', Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:47 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? My district needs six figures in the "How many students in your district" field. That field will take only five, and "200K" is rejected by your survey. --TP Basha Krasnoff wrote: >Colleagues, > >If you are using open source software in K-12, please take ten minutes >to complete our online user survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss. > >The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology >Consortium >(NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct >extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 >users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and >decision-making tools. > >Our unique, research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions >about Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) >draws on survey responses to address such questions as, "What >advantages does OSS afford educators? Can it save money? Close digital >divides? Support effective learning communities?" > >Open Options provides analysis of the issues faced when adopting open >source software in K-12 settings and offers suggestions about how to >decide if it's right for you. It suggests ways to talk with >stakeholders and how to take the next steps. > >K-12 OSS users please complete our online survey at >http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss > >And if you are a K-12 decision-maker evaluating your investment in OSS, >please consider investing about 30 minutes in a phone interview to >share your insights into the true costs and outcomes of adopting and >implementing open source solutions. E-mail Basha Krasnoff at >oss.survey at netc.org or call her at 1.800.547.6339 to schedule an >interview. > >We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on >open source software at upcoming conferences like ACPE, NCCE, and NECC. >Freely share this invitation to participate with other educators, >especially via e-mail lists. > >Thank you. > >(NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source >software project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest >Regional Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit >institution.) > >Basha Krasnoff >Research and Evaluation Specialist >Technology in Education Center (NETC) >Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory >101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 >Portland, Oregon 97204 >Tel: 503.275.9643 >Fax: 503.275.0449 >E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 26 00:06:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:06:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? In-Reply-To: <40636F57.2050906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <005301c412c6$213284c0$1803010a@paasda.org> (as a marketing person) this survey site is seriously lacking in credibility... Spelling errors abound(as with most e-mails and websites today) Questions are fairly leading(as if OS and App discussions weren't going to build bias anyway) And what is actually being done with the information?? WHO is it mattering to and why? I know it matters to those of us who must implement the stuff and those who we need to convince to allow us to implement...but other than that...what gets done with this info? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:47 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? My district needs six figures in the "How many students in your district" field. That field will take only five, and "200K" is rejected by your survey. --TP Basha Krasnoff wrote: >Colleagues, > >If you are using open source software in K-12, please take ten minutes >to complete our online user survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss. > >The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology >Consortium >(NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct >extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 >users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and >decision-making tools. > >Our unique, research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions >about Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) >draws on survey responses to address such questions as, "What >advantages does OSS afford educators? Can it save money? Close digital >divides? Support effective learning communities?" > >Open Options provides analysis of the issues faced when adopting open >source software in K-12 settings and offers suggestions about how to >decide if it's right for you. It suggests ways to talk with >stakeholders and how to take the next steps. > >K-12 OSS users please complete our online survey at >http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss > >And if you are a K-12 decision-maker evaluating your investment in OSS, >please consider investing about 30 minutes in a phone interview to >share your insights into the true costs and outcomes of adopting and >implementing open source solutions. E-mail Basha Krasnoff at >oss.survey at netc.org or call her at 1.800.547.6339 to schedule an >interview. > >We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on >open source software at upcoming conferences like ACPE, NCCE, and NECC. >Freely share this invitation to participate with other educators, >especially via e-mail lists. > >Thank you. > >(NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source >software project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest >Regional Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit >institution.) > >Basha Krasnoff >Research and Evaluation Specialist >Technology in Education Center (NETC) >Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory >101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 >Portland, Oregon 97204 >Tel: 503.275.9643 >Fax: 503.275.0449 >E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krasnofb at nwrel.org Fri Mar 26 00:27:12 2004 From: krasnofb at nwrel.org (Basha Krasnoff) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:27:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? Message-ID: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2BD@nt2.nwrel.org> Huck, this is not a commercial venture. We are federally-funded technical assistance center at the Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory helping educators integrate technology into the teaching and learning process. We began the Open Options Project to support educators who were trying to come to grips with the high costs of keeping technology current. We don't advocate for open source software, we just provide pragmatic information based on our survey research. We don't try to duplicate other resources for technical implementation. Our Web site at http://www.netc.org/openoptions shows how the research results are used. We appreciate your input. Basha -----Original Message----- From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:06 PM To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? (as a marketing person) this survey site is seriously lacking in credibility... Spelling errors abound(as with most e-mails and websites today) Questions are fairly leading(as if OS and App discussions weren't going to build bias anyway) And what is actually being done with the information?? WHO is it mattering to and why? I know it matters to those of us who must implement the stuff and those who we need to convince to allow us to implement...but other than that...what gets done with this info? --Huck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:47 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? My district needs six figures in the "How many students in your district" field. That field will take only five, and "200K" is rejected by your survey. --TP Basha Krasnoff wrote: >Colleagues, > >If you are using open source software in K-12, please take ten minutes >to complete our online user survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss. > >The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology >Consortium >(NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct >extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 >users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and >decision-making tools. > >Our unique, research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions >about Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) >draws on survey responses to address such questions as, "What >advantages does OSS afford educators? Can it save money? Close digital >divides? Support effective learning communities?" > >Open Options provides analysis of the issues faced when adopting open >source software in K-12 settings and offers suggestions about how to >decide if it's right for you. It suggests ways to talk with >stakeholders and how to take the next steps. > >K-12 OSS users please complete our online survey at >http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss > >And if you are a K-12 decision-maker evaluating your investment in OSS, >please consider investing about 30 minutes in a phone interview to >share your insights into the true costs and outcomes of adopting and >implementing open source solutions. E-mail Basha Krasnoff at >oss.survey at netc.org or call her at 1.800.547.6339 to schedule an >interview. > >We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on >open source software at upcoming conferences like ACPE, NCCE, and NECC. >Freely share this invitation to participate with other educators, >especially via e-mail lists. > >Thank you. > >(NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source >software project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest >Regional Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit >institution.) > >Basha Krasnoff >Research and Evaluation Specialist >Technology in Education Center (NETC) >Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory >101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 >Portland, Oregon 97204 >Tel: 503.275.9643 >Fax: 503.275.0449 >E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Mar 26 00:30:41 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:30:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Useful tool...Linux saves the day! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406379B1.2020502@cmosnetworks.com> Seconded. I've been using this tool for several years now, and yes, it can be a lifesaver if you've got to deal with Windows NT-based boxes (yes, that includes 2K and XPensive). I showed this to our MCSE server dudez (they were using ERD Commander to do the same thing), and they immediately said, "Please, can we have a copy?" :-) That was the beginning of a very slow conversion process that now sees one of those MCSE's running Red Hat 9 on his laptop. :-) Basically, NTPasswd works on anything with a Windows NT-style registry. That means any NT 4.0 domain controllers as well, and yes, I did have to put that to the test on a PDC that I had inherited. --TP David Trask wrote: >First of all...this is very cool....I had a computer (Win XP) where the >admin password would not work....nor would any others. In most case >that's a death knell. Then I found this > >http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html > >It's a Linux based rescue disk that allows you to go into any NT, 2000, or >XP system and rest the password. Very cool and it works great. I used >the CD based version....downloaded the zip file....unzipped and burned the >ISO. One thing I learned....setting the password to blank works better >than trying to change it. Just set it to blank....then go into Windows >and change it. Works slick and saved me from reimaging. Funny how Linux >was able to save Windows from itself....(sorry...couldn't resist) ;-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Fri Mar 26 01:18:31 2004 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:18:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? In-Reply-To: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2BD@nt2.nwrel.org> References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2BD@nt2.nwrel.org> Message-ID: <1080263911.13018.20.camel@homepc.localdomain> I'll vouch for the NWREL. They are good folks and are up front about who they are and what the are doing. It's not marketing. They are an educational research lab. ;-) Paul On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 16:27, Basha Krasnoff wrote: > Huck, this is not a commercial venture. We are federally-funded technical > assistance center at the Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory helping > educators integrate technology into the teaching and learning process. We > began the Open Options Project to support educators who were trying to come > to grips with the high costs of keeping technology current. We don't > advocate for open source software, we just provide pragmatic information > based on our survey research. We don't try to duplicate other resources for > technical implementation. Our Web site at http://www.netc.org/openoptions > shows how the research results are used. We appreciate your input. Basha > > -----Original Message----- > From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:06 PM > To: 'A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? > > > (as a marketing person) this survey site is seriously lacking in > credibility... Spelling errors abound(as with most e-mails and websites > today) Questions are fairly leading(as if OS and App discussions weren't > going to build bias anyway) And what is actually being done with the > information?? WHO is it mattering to and why? I know it matters to those of > us who must implement the stuff and those who we need to convince to allow > us to implement...but other than that...what gets done with this info? > > --Huck -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 voice(503)892-0722...fax(503)892-0723.. http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Mar 26 02:18:17 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:18:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD Message-ID: Hi Andy, I have gone thought my notes and of course the last few pages in the pile of a coule hundred were the ones I was looking for ;-) I should have just started looking from the bottom... I doesn't loook like I ever did post how to do it, but I found the web address at: http://www.bcpl.net/~dbryan/ntfs-dual-boot.html for dual booting using the nt boot loader. This should do it for you. Jim _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Mar 26 03:17:33 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 26 Mar 2004 11:17:33 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app In-Reply-To: <005201c412b6$d2ff21a0$1803010a@paasda.org> References: <005201c412b6$d2ff21a0$1803010a@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1080271054.27013.90.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 06:16, Huck wrote: > Eduadmin...*warning* seems to be Australian or British style of info > > --Huck [...] and that's why it works better, because it's built to international standards?? SORRY - couldn't resist taking a very cheap pot shot on this American-centric list. I mean where else would printers not work unless set to a page size that only exists in one country of the world ;-). I know, I know - flame on! Snigger. An Aussie admirer of K12LTSP, Gavin From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Mar 26 03:35:03 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:35:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Are you using Open Source Software in K-12? In-Reply-To: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> Message-ID: <4063A4E7.2040803@snet.net> I'm taking this survey now, and the pages are very slow to load. Some of the quesstions areredundant, too. I think the survey should be all on one page. Why two questions to a page, then a 2 minute wait for the next page to load? tony Basha Krasnoff wrote: > Colleagues, > > If you are using open source software in K-12, please take ten minutes to > complete our online user survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss. > > The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology Consortium > (NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct > extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 > users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and > decision-making tools. > > Our unique, research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions about > Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) draws on > survey responses to address such questions as, "What advantages does OSS > afford educators? Can it save money? Close digital divides? Support > effective learning communities?" > > Open Options provides analysis of the issues faced when adopting open source > software in K-12 settings and offers suggestions about how to decide if it's > right for you. It suggests ways to talk with stakeholders and how to take > the next steps. > > K-12 OSS users please complete our online survey at > http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss > > And if you are a K-12 decision-maker evaluating your investment in OSS, > please consider investing about 30 minutes in a phone interview to share > your insights into the true costs and outcomes of adopting and implementing > open source solutions. > E-mail Basha Krasnoff at oss.survey at netc.org or call her at 1.800.547.6339 > to schedule an interview. > > We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on open > source software at upcoming conferences like ACPE, NCCE, and NECC. Freely > share this invitation to participate with other educators, especially via > e-mail lists. > > Thank you. > > (NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source software > project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest Regional > Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit institution.) > > Basha Krasnoff > Research and Evaluation Specialist > Technology in Education Center (NETC) > Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory > 101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 > Portland, Oregon 97204 > Tel: 503.275.9643 > Fax: 503.275.0449 > E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 25 19:03:59 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:03:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 v4.0.0 unstable? In-Reply-To: <1097.66.138.175.97.1080256171.squirrel@66.138.175.97> References: <04032512342500.01758@newguy> <1097.66.138.175.97.1080256171.squirrel@66.138.175.97> Message-ID: <04032514041800.01819@newguy> thanks caleb....chuck From tim at litwiller.net Fri Mar 26 13:32:01 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:32:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <4063675C.1070504@litwiller.net> References: <4063675C.1070504@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <406430D1.7070605@litwiller.net> Will someone tell me a better place to go ask this question? Tim Litwiller wrote: > here is the network diagram > > do=district office > rms=middle school > rhs=highschool > pe=elementary school > > do network 172.16.96.x <-> 172.16.127.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > eth1 do router ip address 172.16.96.1 > eth0 do to rms interface ip 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > static routes > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 > route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 > route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 > | > | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.0.3 and 10.0.0.103 > | > eth1 rms to do radio interface ip 10.0.0.103 netmask 255.255.255.0 > eth0 rms router ip address 172.16.32.1 > rms network 172.16.32.x <-> 172.16.63.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > eth2 rms to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.2 > route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 > | > | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.1.3 and 10.0.1.103 > | > eth1 rhs to rms radio interface ip 10.0.1.102 netmask 255.255.255.0 > eth0 rhs router ip address 172.16.1.1 > rhs network 172.16.0.x <-> 172.16.31.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > rhs gateway to internet 172.16.1.254 > rhs windows file server 172.16.0.1 > eth2 rhs to pe radio interface ip 10.0.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 > route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 > route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.102 > | > | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.2.3 and 10.0.2.103 > | > eth0 pe to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.2.102 netmask > eth1 pe router ip address 172.16.64.1 > pe network 172.16.64.x <-> 172.16.95.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 > route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 > route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 > > > > the problem seems to be some setting on the rms router > at the console of the machine > from do I can ping rms > from rms I can ping rhs and pe and do > from rhs I can ping all and internet > from pe I can ping all and internet > > from laptop on each network > from do I can ping do and rms > from rms I can ping do and rms > from rhs I can ping all and internet > from rhs I can ping all and internet > > so rms isn't passing anything from eth1 and eth0 thru to eth2 > > in /etc/sysctrl I have > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 > > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward cat > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth2/proxy_arp > > the output of each of these is 1 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From csitech at practical.edu Fri Mar 26 14:26:31 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:26:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <4063708A.4050603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Yes, I did check the network connection, both are running at 100Mbps. The have the same processors in them and everything. Like I said, it's not a huge issue. Because even the slower ones brings up apps in decent time. I was just curious if RAM in the client would affect things at all. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Terrell Prude', Jr. Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:52 PM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Client RAM question No, it shouldn't. None of the apps are actually running on the client at all; they're all running on the server and merely are displayed on the client. The only "large" app running on the client is the X11 server itself, and that fits nicely into 32MB. Most of my clients have 32MB DRAM, and they run just as fast as if they have 48MB or 64MB. Matter of fact, I've actually pulled DRAM out of a client so that it'll boot faster (less DRAM to go through during POST). One thing that definitely will affect speed is whether or not your client's network connection is running at 100Mbps, full duplex. I'd check that out. --TP --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 14:28:15 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:28:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! Message-ID: <4497.170.211.161.150.1080311295.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Well looks like this summer we may be stickin' terminals everywhere! As pc's die out we will replace them with terminals. Either old ibm's or new hp 5300 terminals when we run out of the old junk. Primarily, all these terminals will just use the internet and openoffice. The current server we have that we will use for expansion is a Dell Poweredge 4600. Single 1.8ghz xeon w/4gb ram and gig backbone. We've ordered a second processor. My question is...how many terminals do you think I could get on one server if I expanded the ram? This server will hold up to 12gb of Ram. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From mellax at pm.ee Fri Mar 26 07:05:02 2004 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:05:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <20040325235613.CC2D97345F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040325235613.CC2D97345F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4063D61E.7050106@pm.ee> > From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >No, it shouldn't. None of the apps are actually running on the client >at all; they're all running on the server and merely are displayed on >the client. The only "large" app running on the client is the X11 >server itself, and that fits nicely into 32MB. Most of my clients have <32MB DRAM, and they run just as fast as if they have 48MB or 64MB. >Matter of fact, I've actually pulled DRAM out of a client so that it'll >boot faster (less DRAM to go through during POST). Wrong answer! I use k12LTSP4.0.1 , 30 clients with Dual Xeon + 4G RAM. My clients use many memory-wasting programs like Mozilla, OOO and Evolution. I noticed strange restarts on clients with 32MB RAM. Even with 64MB. But clients with 128MB RAM never restarted. So, I added NFS swap up to 96MB per client and now all is ok. No more restarts. So, amount of client RAM IS important! From rduran at dallasairmotive.com Fri Mar 26 14:38:03 2004 From: rduran at dallasairmotive.com (Richard Duran) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:38:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java font uglyness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080311882.1411.4002.camel@gv-rduran.dalair.com> Eric, Have you found any leads on this? -richard On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 21:32, Eric Harrison wrote: > Google is failing me on this one... I'm hoping someone here has > tackled Java fonts and has an easy answer ;-) > > > I have one school that is using some Java-based games & have noticed > that fonts can be a bit wonky. > > > First, the fonts are not anti-aliased. Has anyone heard about a fix > for this atrocity? > > > If there is no anti-alias fix, has anyone seen font problems with > text input boxes & know a fix? An example is this URL: > > http://www.coolmath4kids.com/mathgames/lemonade/index.html > > If I click on through to the "Price/Quality Control" screen, I see > that the input box fonts are "cut-off" - only the top-half shows. > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 14:42:46 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:42:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: References: <4063708A.4050603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4520.170.211.161.150.1080312166.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Calvin Park, ACDS said: > Yes, I did check the network connection, both are running at 100Mbps. The > have the same processors in them and everything. Like I said, it's not a > huge issue. Because even the slower ones brings up apps in decent time. I > was just curious if RAM in the client would affect things at all. I recently observed this same oddball occurrence. An HP5300 here (64mb ram/100mb) is noticibly faster than a thinknic (64mb ram/100mb) plugged into the very same switch. The only difference I see hardware wise is the thinknic has a cyrix 266 while the hp has a crusoe 533. Perhaps the main difference though is the video cards. The thinknics have some sis card that you have to use a standard Xvesa driver for to get good results. The HP5300's have a nice ati card that zips right along. Perhaps the video is what makes everything seem quicker. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Mar 26 14:48:50 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Tom Haynes) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:48:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <406430D1.7070605@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> Tim... While I am fundamentally a nice guy, I am not really the person to be sorting out routing problems. I am guessing that there are other folks on the list more able with this kind of stuff, but they are hesitating to get in the middle of this when they are not local. I don't know exactly what to advise, but maybe someone will speak up. Regards... Tom -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Tim Litwiller Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:32 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long Will someone tell me a better place to go ask this question? Tim Litwiller wrote: > here is the network diagram > > do=district office > rms=middle school > rhs=highschool > pe=elementary school > > do network 172.16.96.x <-> 172.16.127.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > eth1 do router ip address 172.16.96.1 > eth0 do to rms interface ip 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > static routes > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 > route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 > route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 > | > | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.0.3 and 10.0.0.103 > | > eth1 rms to do radio interface ip 10.0.0.103 netmask 255.255.255.0 > eth0 rms router ip address 172.16.32.1 > rms network 172.16.32.x <-> 172.16.63.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > eth2 rms to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.2 > route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 > | > | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.1.3 and 10.0.1.103 > | > eth1 rhs to rms radio interface ip 10.0.1.102 netmask 255.255.255.0 > eth0 rhs router ip address 172.16.1.1 > rhs network 172.16.0.x <-> 172.16.31.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > rhs gateway to internet 172.16.1.254 > rhs windows file server 172.16.0.1 > eth2 rhs to pe radio interface ip 10.0.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 > route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 > route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.102 > | > | radios in bridge are set to 10.0.2.3 and 10.0.2.103 > | > eth0 pe to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.2.102 netmask > eth1 pe router ip address 172.16.64.1 > pe network 172.16.64.x <-> 172.16.95.x netmask 255.255.224.0 > route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 > route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 > route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 > > > > the problem seems to be some setting on the rms router > at the console of the machine > from do I can ping rms > from rms I can ping rhs and pe and do > from rhs I can ping all and internet > from pe I can ping all and internet > > from laptop on each network > from do I can ping do and rms > from rms I can ping do and rms > from rhs I can ping all and internet > from rhs I can ping all and internet > > so rms isn't passing anything from eth1 and eth0 thru to eth2 > > in /etc/sysctrl I have > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 > > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward cat > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp > cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth2/proxy_arp > > the output of each of these is 1 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Mar 26 14:51:50 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:51:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source School/Student Information db or app In-Reply-To: <1080271054.27013.90.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <005201c412b6$d2ff21a0$1803010a@paasda.org> <1080271054.27013.90.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <40644386.5080706@lqt.ca> Gavin Chester wrote: >On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 06:16, Huck wrote: > > >>Eduadmin...*warning* seems to be Australian or British style of info >> >>--Huck >> >> > >[...] and that's why it works better, because it's built to >international standards?? > >SORRY - couldn't resist taking a very cheap pot shot on this >American-centric list. I mean where else would printers not work unless >set to a page size that only exists in one country of the world >;-). I know, I know - flame on! Snigger. > >An Aussie admirer of K12LTSP, Gavin > > Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! oi! oi! oi! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From jfaletra at sau16.org Fri Mar 26 14:57:21 2004 From: jfaletra at sau16.org (Joe Faletra) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:57:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! In-Reply-To: <4497.170.211.161.150.1080311295.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <4497.170.211.161.150.1080311295.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: 50mb of RAM per user on the server is ideal. That's the rule I use and have been very satisfied. Joe cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us writes: >Well looks like this summer we may be stickin' terminals everywhere! >As pc's >die out we will replace them with terminals. Either old ibm's or new >hp 5300 >terminals when we run out of the old junk. Primarily, all these >terminals will >just use the internet and openoffice. The current server we have that >we will >use for expansion is a Dell Poweredge 4600. Single 1.8ghz xeon w/4gb >ram and >gig backbone. We've ordered a second processor. My question is...how >many >terminals do you think I could get on one server if I expanded the >ram? This >server will hold up to 12gb of Ram. > > >-- >Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA >Technology Coordinator >Fordyce School District >870.352.2968 >http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Joe Faletra School Administrative Unit 16 Districts Manager for Technology Support Services T: 603-775-8576 F: 603-775-8487 http://www.sau16.org DO NOT READ, COPY, OR DISSEMINATE THIS COMMUNICATION UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED ADDRESSEE. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information that is intended only for the addressee. 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From tim at litwiller.net Fri Mar 26 15:00:04 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:00:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> Message-ID: <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> here is another question: Does it matter at all which interface is which? in this instance eth0 is the buildings network eth1 is the route to the office eth2 is the route to the highschool, the internet, and is the default route would changing things around so eth0 goes to the high school, internet and is default make any difference at all? If none of these work, I'll probably take the 3rd network card out of that machine, and setup another one to go to the district office Tom Haynes wrote: >Tim... > >While I am fundamentally a nice guy, I am not really the person to be >sorting out routing problems. > >I am guessing that there are other folks on the list more able with this >kind of stuff, but they are hesitating to get in the middle of this when >they are not local. > >I don't know exactly what to advise, but maybe someone will speak up. > >Regards... Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Tim Litwiller >Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:32 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long > > >Will someone tell me a better place to go ask this question? > >Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > >>here is the network diagram >> >>do=district office >>rms=middle school >>rhs=highschool >>pe=elementary school >> >>do network 172.16.96.x <-> 172.16.127.x netmask 255.255.224.0 >>eth1 do router ip address 172.16.96.1 >>eth0 do to rms interface ip 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>static routes >>route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 >>route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 >>route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.102 >>| >>| radios in bridge are set to 10.0.0.3 and 10.0.0.103 >>| >>eth1 rms to do radio interface ip 10.0.0.103 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>eth0 rms router ip address 172.16.32.1 >>rms network 172.16.32.x <-> 172.16.63.x netmask 255.255.224.0 >>eth2 rms to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.0.2 >>route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 >>route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.102 >>| >>| radios in bridge are set to 10.0.1.3 and 10.0.1.103 >>| >>eth1 rhs to rms radio interface ip 10.0.1.102 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>eth0 rhs router ip address 172.16.1.1 >>rhs network 172.16.0.x <-> 172.16.31.x netmask 255.255.224.0 >>rhs gateway to internet 172.16.1.254 >>rhs windows file server 172.16.0.1 >>eth2 rhs to pe radio interface ip 10.0.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 >>route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 >>route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.1.2 >>route add -net 172.16.64.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.102 >>| >>| radios in bridge are set to 10.0.2.3 and 10.0.2.103 >>| >>eth0 pe to rhs radio interface ip 10.0.2.102 netmask >>eth1 pe router ip address 172.16.64.1 >>pe network 172.16.64.x <-> 172.16.95.x netmask 255.255.224.0 >>route add -net 172.16.32.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 >>route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 >>route add -net 172.16.96.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gw 10.0.2.2 >> >> >> >>the problem seems to be some setting on the rms router >>at the console of the machine >>from do I can ping rms >>from rms I can ping rhs and pe and do >>from rhs I can ping all and internet >>from pe I can ping all and internet >> >>from laptop on each network >>from do I can ping do and rms >>from rms I can ping do and rms >>from rhs I can ping all and internet >>from rhs I can ping all and internet >> >>so rms isn't passing anything from eth1 and eth0 thru to eth2 >> >>in /etc/sysctrl I have >>net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 >>net.ipv4.conf.default.proxy_arp = 1 >> >>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward cat >>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp >>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp >>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth2/proxy_arp >> >>the output of each of these is 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Mar 26 14:54:40 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:54:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source food service system Message-ID: <1080312879.1792.12.camel@localhost> Hey everyone, I am in the market for a new food service system and am looking to find an open source one if possible. Anyone know of one? What I need is something that will be able to track accounts and keep a balance of funds. Keep the user base, print state and federal reports and have a point of sale type interface where the students can enter a pin to charge their account. Thanks, -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District Frederic, WI USA (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us http://www.frederic.k12.wi.us From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 26 15:03:37 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:03:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <4063D61E.7050106@pm.ee> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, mella wrote: > > From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." > >No, it shouldn't. None of the apps are actually running on the client > >at all; they're all running on the server and merely are displayed on > >the client. The only "large" app running on the client is the X11 > >server itself, and that fits nicely into 32MB. Most of my clients have > <32MB DRAM, and they run just as fast as if they have 48MB or 64MB. > >Matter of fact, I've actually pulled DRAM out of a client so that it'll > >boot faster (less DRAM to go through during POST). > > Wrong answer! > I use k12LTSP4.0.1 , 30 clients with Dual Xeon + 4G RAM. > My clients use many memory-wasting programs like Mozilla, OOO and Evolution. > I noticed strange restarts on clients with 32MB RAM. Even with 64MB. But clients with 128MB RAM never restarted. > So, I added NFS swap up to 96MB per client and now all is ok. No more restarts. > So, amount of client RAM IS important! > Mella is right - the amount of client memory matters, because the X server got "smart" and uses more memory to reduce network traffic. 128MB seems to be the magic number. julius From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 26 15:08:05 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:08:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Joe Faletra wrote: > 50mb of RAM per user on the server is ideal. That's the rule I use and > have been very satisfied. > > Joe > > cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us writes: > >Well looks like this summer we may be stickin' terminals everywhere! > >As pc's > >die out we will replace them with terminals. Either old ibm's or new > >hp 5300 > >terminals when we run out of the old junk. Primarily, all these > >terminals will > >just use the internet and openoffice. The current server we have that > >we will > >use for expansion is a Dell Poweredge 4600. Single 1.8ghz xeon w/4gb > >ram and > >gig backbone. We've ordered a second processor. My question is...how > >many > >terminals do you think I could get on one server if I expanded the > >ram? This > >server will hold up to 12gb of Ram. > > Joe, 50 MB per user may be adequate, but it is *not* ideal. There is no "rule of thumb" here, there is only "it depends". in my installations, based on the software mix and user expectations, 100MB per user is the absolute minimum. julius From csitech at practical.edu Fri Mar 26 15:08:45 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:08:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! In-Reply-To: <4497.170.211.161.150.1080311295.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: I'm really not sure as I've not worked with a setup that large. But all the formula's I've seen say 512MB for the server, and 128MB for the clients (of course, I've heard only 50MB for the clients as well), assuming 128MB per client, you 12GB server allows for ~90 clients. At least according to the fomula's that I've seen. Again, I'm really not sure since I've not worked myself with something like that. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:28 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! Well looks like this summer we may be stickin' terminals everywhere! As pc's die out we will replace them with terminals. Either old ibm's or new hp 5300 terminals when we run out of the old junk. Primarily, all these terminals will just use the internet and openoffice. The current server we have that we will use for expansion is a Dell Poweredge 4600. Single 1.8ghz xeon w/4gb ram and gig backbone. We've ordered a second processor. My question is...how many terminals do you think I could get on one server if I expanded the ram? This server will hold up to 12gb of Ram. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From dloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Mar 26 15:22:09 2004 From: dloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:22:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DiskOnChip Programming In-Reply-To: <20040325220909.2F11473B0F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040325220909.2F11473B0F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1080314528.1548.26.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I recently purchased an Acute Network Technologies (ANT) WinCE thin client on eBay just to see if it could be made to work on an LTSP system. The terminal is well-built, has 32mb memory, 233mHz Geode cpu. The network interface is provided by a standard rtl-8139B chip. I am not sure of the video system. There lots of used ones that can be obtained for a song on eBay. The specific model I have is an ANT TC-5000 that boots WinCE 3.0 from an 8 mb M-Systems DiskOnChip. These are programmable EEPROMs that emulate an IDE drive. Linux is well supported and there are utilities and a linux compatible filesystem that can be downloaded from M-Systems. I believe they are programmable via tftp download. I have no idea how to create a pxe boot image and download that image onto the chip. That may require some special hardware. If anyone knows how to do so, has the hardware to program these chips and could create them at reasonable cost, that might open the door to using such thin clients on LTSP systems. It sounds like a great project for someone with the skills to do it. The specific chip on the ANT TC-5000 is an MD-2800-8ID. I believe the part number indicates it is an 8 MB chip emulating an IDE disk. Dan Loomis FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH El Dorado, Arkansas From csitech at practical.edu Fri Mar 26 15:23:39 2004 From: csitech at practical.edu (Calvin Park, ACDS) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:23:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <4520.170.211.161.150.1080312166.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: Video could do it...maybe it has something to do with the amount of Video memory. But that doesn't quite seem to make sense to me since it's taking time to load the application, as opposed to displaying it. But maybe. Mella may be onto something. Our terminals here haven't restarted, but they do take a noticably different amount of time to load apps such as OpenOffice, Mozilla, and Evolution. Again, this isn't a major issue, but it is interesting. What Julius said also makes sense, if the XServer is loading up in the RAM on the client, it might be ideal to have 128 in each client, as well as 50MB on the server for each client....or maybe 100MB on the server for each client. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Caleb Wagnon Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:43 AM To: A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Client RAM question Calvin Park, ACDS said: > Yes, I did check the network connection, both are running at 100Mbps. The > have the same processors in them and everything. Like I said, it's not a > huge issue. Because even the slower ones brings up apps in decent time. I > was just curious if RAM in the client would affect things at all. I recently observed this same oddball occurrence. An HP5300 here (64mb ram/100mb) is noticibly faster than a thinknic (64mb ram/100mb) plugged into the very same switch. The only difference I see hardware wise is the thinknic has a cyrix 266 while the hp has a crusoe 533. Perhaps the main difference though is the video cards. The thinknics have some sis card that you have to use a standard Xvesa driver for to get good results. The HP5300's have a nice ati card that zips right along. Perhaps the video is what makes everything seem quicker. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 26 15:37:00 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:37:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DiskOnChip Programming In-Reply-To: <1080314528.1548.26.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <20040325220909.2F11473B0F@hormel.redhat.com> <1080314528.1548.26.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <200403261037.00548.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 26 March 2004 10:22 am, Daniel Loomis wrote: > 8 mb M-Systems DiskOnChip. ?These are programmable EEPROMs that emulate > an IDE drive. ?Linux is well supported and there are utilities and a In this case, you might look at pxes.sourceforge.net -- I'm not sure if it will help you, or fit in 8mb, but it's a place to start. That's if you can't get it to work with straight LTSP... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 26 15:40:15 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:40:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <4063D61E.7050106@pm.ee> References: <20040325235613.CC2D97345F@hormel.redhat.com> <4063D61E.7050106@pm.ee> Message-ID: <200403261040.15866.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Friday 26 March 2004 02:05 am, mella wrote: > So, I added NFS swap up to 96MB per client and now all is ok. No more > restarts. So, amount of client RAM IS important! This would be a great idea -- if a client has enough RAM, it shouldn't touch the swap, but if it's an old beater with 16MB of ram (I've got some) it would at least not crash... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From colprep at biz.videotron.ca Fri Mar 26 15:48:17 2004 From: colprep at biz.videotron.ca (rob focus) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:48:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] zero-install Message-ID: <1080316097.3807.5.camel@nikon> FYI to all of you out there -- have you had any experience with zero install? http://zero-install.sourceforge.net . its a type of network filesystem repository for applications. I'd be really interested to hear your feedback and whether this could be implimented or have value in k12ltsp. robert From haysja at sages.us Fri Mar 26 15:58:11 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:58:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DiskOnChip Programming In-Reply-To: <1080314528.1548.26.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <20040325220909.2F11473B0F@hormel.redhat.com> <1080314528.1548.26.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <40645313.3030405@sages.us> Don't know if this will help; http://www.acutetech.com/-quickstart_5k.html Daniel Loomis wrote: From haysja at sages.us Fri Mar 26 16:07:29 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:07:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DiskOnChip Programming In-Reply-To: <200403261037.00548.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <20040325220909.2F11473B0F@hormel.redhat.com> <1080314528.1548.26.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> <200403261037.00548.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <40645541.3050906@sages.us> I just looked at those on eBay. They definitely look interesting - if you can get in the BIOS and get them to work. Good luck. Shawn Powers wrote: >On Friday 26 March 2004 10:22 am, Daniel Loomis wrote: > > >>8 mb M-Systems DiskOnChip. These are programmable EEPROMs that emulate >>an IDE drive. Linux is well supported and there are utilities and a >> >> > >In this case, you might look at pxes.sourceforge.net -- I'm not sure if it >will help you, or fit in 8mb, but it's a place to start. That's if you can't >get it to work with straight LTSP... > >-Shawn > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 25 16:35:04 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:35:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] netbooting Macs from Linux....how? Message-ID: Anyone doing this? Can you share how? I'd really like to be able to netboot OS X machines from a Linux box..... "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >That would be >great -- and since I have 2 labs booting MacOS from a linux server I'm working on re-working my current Mac OS X imaging situation (Maine has iBooks for every 7th and 8th grader in the state). http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID Anyway, I'm very intrigued as to how you are netbooting Macs from a Linux server....can you send me a how-to or point me to one and help me get one set up? Doing so may allow me to "invent" a pure open source way to "mass image" laptops using a linux server. :-) That'd be cool. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From faengoy at yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 16:27:45 2004 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:27:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Proposal due Monday, feedback welcome Message-ID: <20040326162745.66664.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> (The Baht can be converted to US$ by dividing by about 40) In a casual conversation with my new school's secretary while we were travelling to a seminar, I mentioned setting up the school with computers. I said that I could probably do it for about 90k Baht with thin clients. Well, I have now been asked to make a formal proposal to the school director on Monday, and am looking for some feedback. First, the requirements (or, since the director doesn't know anything, what I look at as requirements): * One or more servers to serve the thin clients, * About thirteen clients, scattered throughout the school, though more if I can, * Software to handle document exchange, scheduling, etc... * Software to administer the school and track students, * Internet access on a dial-up which limited numbers of folks can turn on or off, * Minimum admin work, able to be done by someone as an extra duty (and not, me, though I will have time to train). I am likely to: 1. Buy two used Compaqs with dual PIIs and RAID 4.9GB disks X9 that I saw for 15K each recently Total cost 30,000 Baht; 2. Bump the RAM on these to over a GB each Ttotal cost 6,000 Baht 3. Purchase clients off a shipment from Japan ot the US, P200s 32 MB RAM, 2MB video, at about 900 Baht each Total cost 12,000 Baht; 4. Monitors from Japan for 1,500 Baht each 19,000 Baht; 5. Buy an old PII to run Smoothwall or ?ECop? 3,500 Baht; 6. Buy a new 16 port switch with one or two gigabit ports and one or two gigabit cards for the servers ???? Baht; 7. Use the rest to purchase mice and keyboards; 8. Use IceWM with limited menus to limit the memory consumption per client; 9. Use one server for thin client use and the other for scheduling software, documents, and mail. Rsync the two servers nightly to allow me to turn services on in case of failure of one of them. 10. Use eGroupware, a fork of PhPGroupware, which I have used before. 11. Use Webmin to divide the admin tasks among several folks. 12. Possibly use SchoolMation 1.0, but survive on eGroupware alone if I can; 13. And try, for the first time in my life, to set up an IMAP mail setup for use inside eGroupware. This is an order of magnitude beyond anything I've done before, but I don't suspect that I'll have any problems with this setup. Suggestions and/or flames are welcome... Daniel ===== Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 26 16:31:44 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:31:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Caleb....I have nearly 45+ machines on a dual Xeon 2.4 ghz with 4 gb RAM and we have NO issues at all....in fact we NEVER go into swap. At any one time 20+ machines are online and in use concurrently on many diff apps. "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >use for expansion is a Dell Poweredge 4600. Single 1.8ghz xeon w/4gb ram >and >gig backbone. We've ordered a second processor. My question is...how many >terminals do you think I could get on one server if I expanded the ram? >This >server will hold up to 12gb of Ram. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 26 16:38:29 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:38:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proposal due Monday, feedback welcome In-Reply-To: <20040326162745.66664.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040326162745.66664.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS Linux distribution." writes: >(The Baht can be converted to US$ by dividing by about >40) >In a casual conversation with my new school's >secretary while we were travelling to a seminar, I >mentioned setting up the school with computers. I said >that I could probably do it for about 90k Baht with >thin clients. Well, I have now been asked to make a >formal proposal to the school director on Monday, and >am looking for some feedback. > >First, the requirements (or, since the director >doesn't know anything, what I look at as >requirements): > > * One or more servers to serve the thin clients, One good server can handle this easily....I have a Dual Xeon with 4 GB RAM running almost 50 clients > > * About thirteen clients, scattered throughout the >school, though more if I can, Easily done > > * Software to handle document exchange, >scheduling, etc... Not sure what you mean by this....Groupware? > > * Software to administer the school and track >students, OpenAdmin > > * Internet access on a dial-up which limited >numbers of folks can turn on or off, dial up will be prohibitively slow fo that many clients > > * Minimum admin work, able to be done by someone >as an extra duty (and not, me, though I will have time >to train). Once set up....maintenance is minimal and can be done remotely in most cases > > >I am likely to: > > 1. Buy two used Compaqs with dual PIIs and RAID >4.9GB disks X9 that I saw for 15K each recently > Total cost 30,000 Baht; > 2. Bump the RAM on these to over a GB each > Ttotal cost 6,000 Baht > 3. Purchase clients off a shipment from Japan ot >the US, P200s 32 MB RAM, 2MB video, at about 900 Baht >each > Total cost 12,000 Baht; > 4. Monitors from Japan for 1,500 Baht each > 19,000 Baht; > 5. Buy an old PII to run Smoothwall or ?ECop? 3,500 >Baht; > 6. Buy a new 16 port switch with one or two gigabit >ports and one or two gigabit cards for the servers >???? Baht; Amer.com has a 24 port with dual gig uplink for about $199 US > > 7. Use the rest to purchase mice and keyboards; > 8. Use IceWM with limited menus to limit the memory >consumption per client; Highly recommended.....IceWm is much better > > 9. Use one server for thin client use and the other >for scheduling software, documents, and mail. Rsync >the two servers nightly to allow me to turn services >on in case of failure of one of them. > 10. Use eGroupware, a fork of PhPGroupware, which I >have used before. > 11. Use Webmin to divide the admin tasks among >several folks. > 12. Possibly use SchoolMation 1.0, but survive on >eGroupware alone if I can; > 13. And try, for the first time in my life, to set >up an IMAP mail setup for use inside eGroupware. > >This is an order of magnitude beyond anything I've >done before, but I don't suspect that I'll have any >problems with this setup. Suggestions and/or flames >are welcome... >Daniel David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 16:39:39 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:39:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4795.170.211.161.150.1080319179.squirrel@170.211.161.150> David Trask said: > Caleb....I have nearly 45+ machines on a dual Xeon 2.4 ghz with 4 gb RAM > and we have NO issues at all....in fact we NEVER go into swap. At any one > time 20+ machines are online and in use concurrently on many diff apps. Hehe...same here....and we have 60. We're looking to add more though a little at a time. I'm looking in the range of about 120 to one server next year. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From hendersonh at unit5.org Fri Mar 26 16:46:22 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:46:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] netbooting Macs from Linux....how? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are some items out there with a good google. I read through some a while back. They are pretty in depth though. One thing we have started / will be using is radmind from U of Utah. Regardless of OS (as long as it has a *nix OS on it. You can setup radmind to be an imaging prospect, updates are handled as well. You can run it from a Mac server, linux server. Mac workstation, etc. There are even some windows plans I believe. I also don't know how it works with Unix services for windows as that might allow you to image windows computers as well. You can update from say 10.1 to 10.1.5 or 10.1 to 10.3 without even going to the machine. I have all of the documentation right from their website. It is not too bad to get going. Once our spring break is over, I am finishing the setup (now that I have had time to figure it out while the kids were gone!). Hope that helps. -- Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB3sbabJdA219HtLEQIiBQCgmCZPpvM0TVElSmogQLMICwe3WeAAoPz3 nqnBAwcfixSr/WETxcGWRMwc =Hghf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 3/25/04 10:35 AM, "David Trask" wrote: > Anyone doing this? Can you share how? I'd really like to be able to > netboot OS X machines from a Linux box..... > > "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution." writes: >> That would be >> great -- and since I have 2 labs booting MacOS from a linux server > > I'm working on re-working my current Mac OS X imaging situation (Maine has > iBooks for every 7th and 8th grader in the state). > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID > > Anyway, I'm very intrigued as to how you are netbooting Macs from a Linux > server....can you send me a how-to or point me to one and help me get one > set up? Doing so may allow me to "invent" a pure open source way to "mass > image" laptops using a linux server. :-) That'd be cool. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 26 16:47:17 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:47:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] netbooting Macs from Linux....how? Message-ID: <200403261541.i2QFfl727646@downeast.net> Answer again...Until someone can patch dhcp for the out of spec stuff the ibooks will have to wait..I spent a lot of time trying every combination with no luck..Eric H and Bill_c are working on oit..chuick --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hendersonh at unit5.org Fri Mar 26 16:46:22 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:46:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] netbooting Macs from Linux....how? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are some items out there with a good google. I read through some a while back. They are pretty in depth though. One thing we have started / will be using is radmind from U of Utah. Regardless of OS (as long as it has a *nix OS on it. You can setup radmind to be an imaging prospect, updates are handled as well. You can run it from a Mac server, linux server. Mac workstation, etc. There are even some windows plans I believe. I also don't know how it works with Unix services for windows as that might allow you to image windows computers as well. You can update from say 10.1 to 10.1.5 or 10.1 to 10.3 without even going to the machine. I have all of the documentation right from their website. It is not too bad to get going. Once our spring break is over, I am finishing the setup (now that I have had time to figure it out while the kids were gone!). Hope that helps. -- Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB3sbabJdA219HtLEQIiBQCgmCZPpvM0TVElSmogQLMICwe3WeAAoPz3 nqnBAwcfixSr/WETxcGWRMwc =Hghf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 3/25/04 10:35 AM, "David Trask" wrote: > Anyone doing this? Can you share how? I'd really like to be able to > netboot OS X machines from a Linux box..... > > "A technical support and discussion community for users of the K12OS > Linux distribution." writes: >> That would be >> great -- and since I have 2 labs booting MacOS from a linux server > > I'm working on re-working my current Mac OS X imaging situation (Maine has > iBooks for every 7th and 8th grader in the state). > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID > > Anyway, I'm very intrigued as to how you are netbooting Macs from a Linux > server....can you send me a how-to or point me to one and help me get one > set up? Doing so may allow me to "invent" a pure open source way to "mass > image" laptops using a linux server. :-) That'd be cool. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Mar 26 16:50:43 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:50:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: netbooting Macs from Linux....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403261150.43966.spowers@inlandlakes.org> On Thursday 25 March 2004 11:35 am, David Trask wrote: > Anyone doing this? Can you share how? I'd really like to be able to > netboot OS X machines from a Linux box..... I will go into detail the start of next week. Sorry, it's been the end-of-marking-period craziness combined with the last day before spring break here... I am taking our Church youth group to a conference in 10 minutes, and I'll be gone until Monday. I'll try to elaborate and share my config files, etc at that time. Sorry to put you off David -- it's just too hectic today. :( -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 26 17:30:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:30:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: netbooting Macs from Linux....how? In-Reply-To: <200403261150.43966.spowers@inlandlakes.org> References: <,> <200403261150.43966.spowers@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Shawn Powers writes: >Sorry to put you off David -- it's just too hectic today. :( No problem...sorry to bug you, but wasn't sure you had gotten my email :-) I look forward to your stuff. I'm very excited about the possibilities. Keep in touch and thanks! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Mar 26 17:35:20 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:35:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Linux router - I'm stuck <-long In-Reply-To: <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> References: <00d301c41341$742c5180$6501a8c0@HAYNEST> <40644574.9090706@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <406469D8.2090002@gwi.net> Tim, What interface is used makes no difference. Whether the interface used has the correct subnet, and whether the correct routes are configured is what matters. You already verified that ip forwarding is on. I found it too difficult to decipher what the connectivity and routing configuration were from the original information. Take another shot at describing your situation: Please state the system names and provide the output of 'route -n' for each of the systems involved. It would also help if you document connectivity, for example "system1 eth0 connects to system2 eth1", etc. The output of 'iptables -vnL -t filter' and 'iptable -vnL -t nat' for each system would be helpful to make sure there is no filtering or natting causing the problem. Then restate what pinging fails using the system names and interfaces you have just documented. Hopefully we can help you with the above information. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 26 17:35:11 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:35:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] zero-install In-Reply-To: <1080316097.3807.5.camel@nikon> References: <1080316097.3807.5.camel@nikon> Message-ID: <1080322511.25901.254.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 07:48, rob focus wrote: > FYI to all of you out there -- > have you had any experience with zero install? > http://zero-install.sourceforge.net . its a type > of network filesystem repository for applications. > I'd be really interested to hear your feedback and > whether this could be implimented or have value > in k12ltsp. > That is interesting. I'll try to take a look at it in my copious spare time ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why two questions to a page, then a 2 minute wait for the next page to load? tony Basha Krasnoff wrote: > Colleagues, > > If you are using open source software in K-12, please take ten minutes > to complete our online user survey at http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss. > > The Open Options Project at the Northwest Educational Technology > Consortium > (NETC) is an independent research project serving K-12 educators. We conduct > extensive online survey research and phone interviews with current K-12 > users of open source software to provide pragmatic information and > decision-making tools. > > Our unique, research-based Web site, Open Options: Making Decisions > about Open Source Software for K-12, (http://www.netc.org/openoptions) > draws on survey responses to address such questions as, "What > advantages does OSS afford educators? Can it save money? Close digital > divides? Support effective learning communities?" > > Open Options provides analysis of the issues faced when adopting open > source software in K-12 settings and offers suggestions about how to > decide if it's right for you. It suggests ways to talk with > stakeholders and how to take the next steps. > > K-12 OSS users please complete our online survey at > http://www.netc.org/surveys/oss > > And if you are a K-12 decision-maker evaluating your investment in > OSS, please consider investing about 30 minutes in a phone interview > to share your insights into the true costs and outcomes of adopting > and implementing open source solutions. E-mail Basha Krasnoff at > oss.survey at netc.org or call her at 1.800.547.6339 to schedule an > interview. > > We look forward to hearing from you and meeting you at our sessions on > open source software at upcoming conferences like ACPE, NCCE, and > NECC. Freely share this invitation to participate with other > educators, especially via e-mail lists. > > Thank you. > > (NETC is not affiliated with any software vendor or open source > software project. It is a federally-funded center at the Northwest > Regional Educational Laboratory (NWREL), a private, nonprofit > institution.) > > Basha Krasnoff > Research and Evaluation Specialist > Technology in Education Center (NETC) > Northwest Regional Educational Laboratory > 101 SW Main Street, Suite 500 > Portland, Oregon 97204 > Tel: 503.275.9643 > Fax: 503.275.0449 > E-mail: krasnofb at nwrel.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 26 18:29:08 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:29:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Galore! In-Reply-To: <4795.170.211.161.150.1080319179.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <4795.170.211.161.150.1080319179.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <46856.216.216.171.3.1080325748.squirrel@216.216.171.236> > David Trask said: >> Caleb....I have nearly 45+ machines on a dual Xeon 2.4 ghz with 4 gb RAM >> and we have NO issues at all....in fact we NEVER go into swap. At any >> one >> time 20+ machines are online and in use concurrently on many diff apps. > > Hehe...same here....and we have 60. We're looking to add more though a > little > at a time. I'm looking in the range of about 120 to one server next year. > Guys, it is *only* the concurrent users that are important. You can have thosands of machines on a 266 Celeron if you don't use them. I know i would not want to be one of the 120 concurrent users on a dual Xon 2.4 with 4GB, because life is to short to wait for the computer. julius From mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us Fri Mar 26 18:29:24 2004 From: mcparlandj at newberg.k12.or.us (jamie) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:29:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Upgrading LDAP entries from 2.2.7 for Samba 3 not happening Message-ID: Sorry to post this to this list, but I got no response from the samba list and kids come back to school on Monday! I thought maybe some of you might have gone through this. We have been using samba 2.2.7 for awhile now with ldap no problem. We are ready to move to Samba 3 though, and this is where the trouble begins. We do not have a domain set up. We have a few samba boxes and they just use the ldap servers to get their passwords from. (no roaming desktops or anything like that.) I did a bit of reading up and see that I need to run the convertSambaAccount script against an ldif export. So here's what I did ldapsearch -LL -x -h localhost -D "uid=root,ou=People,dc=newberg,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" -b "ou=People,dc=newberg,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us" -w > old.ldif I got an ldif no problem. I don't really know what a SID is or what's it for. Something to do with having a domain (which we don't) So I try this [root at ldap /]# net getlocalsid bash: net: command not found So i can't get the SID from this machine. I decide to just make one up and try that. /convertSambaAccount --input=old.ldif --output new.ldif --changetype=modify --sid=S-1-0-0 I end up with this! Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 176, line 1008. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 172, line 1009. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 176, line 1009. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 172, line 1010. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 176, line 1010. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 172, line 1011. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 176, line 1011. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 172, line 1012. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 176, line 1012. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 172, line 1013. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 176, line 1013. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 172, line 1014. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /convertSambaAccount line 176, line 1014. ugh! Any ideas? Thanks, Jamie From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 26 18:46:05 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:46:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gaming Applications on LTSP Message-ID: <40647A6D.3000407@cfl.rr.com> I know this is a big demand on the system, and not sure it can even be done, but will a robust server architecture and some hefty thin clients with 128M RAM and some decent video chipsets be able to handle something like Quake in an LTSP network? Anyone with experience installing, configuring and playing with first person shooter games on an LTSP network are encouraged to reply with their experiences. Thanks in advance. BC From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 18:41:35 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:41:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Gaming Applications on LTSP In-Reply-To: <40647A6D.3000407@cfl.rr.com> References: <40647A6D.3000407@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3259.170.211.161.150.1080326495.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Brian Chase said: > I know this is a big demand on the system, and not sure it can even be > done, but will a robust server architecture and some hefty thin clients > with 128M RAM and some decent video chipsets be able to handle something > like Quake in an LTSP network? Not likely...but if I were going to try it I would not worry as much about local client ram. Have 64mb should be fine. I would focus on beafing up a motherload server and going gig all the way to the terminals. Network connectivity would be the major bottleneck for framerate. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 19:09:03 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:09:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] samba pdc - ltsp Message-ID: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> So guys...sooner or later I"ll have to figure this out so better sooner than later ;-) Can I get my terminals to authenticate to my samba pdc? So everyone would have access to their home folders? -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 26 19:25:55 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:25:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba pdc - ltsp In-Reply-To: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <406483C3.30508@cfl.rr.com> A little more information would be good like: - What box is running your PDC? Windows? Which specific OS. - Which is the master user database, PDC or LTSP box? - If it's Windows, are you running Windows Terminal Services as well? - Are you running Active Directory - Do you already have an LDAP server set up somewhere on your network? Can't expect a clear detailed answer if you don't give some detail..... Cheers, BC Caleb Wagnon wrote: > So guys...sooner or later I"ll have to figure this out so better sooner than > later ;-) > > Can I get my terminals to authenticate to my samba pdc? So everyone would have > access to their home folders? > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 26 19:24:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:24:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba pdc - ltsp In-Reply-To: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us writes: >Can I get my terminals to authenticate to my samba pdc? So everyone would >have >access to their home folders? The easiest and most sane way (IMHO) is to have the PDC be a Samba/LDAP server and export the home dirs via gigabit to the K12LTSP box....that way both Windows users and K12LTSP users have access to the same home folder (their own) regardless of platform....which is nice if you have kids working in OO and M$ Word for example. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 19:28:26 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:28:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] samba pdc - ltsp In-Reply-To: <406483C3.30508@cfl.rr.com> References: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406483C3.30508@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3441.170.211.161.150.1080329306.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Brian Chase said: > A little more information would be good like: > > - What box is running your PDC? Windows? Which specific OS. WhiteBox Enterprise Linux--Samba 3.0 > - Which is the master user database, PDC or LTSP box? PDC > - If it's Windows, are you running Windows Terminal Services as well? Ick. *vomit* > - Are you running Active Directory No. more *vomit* > - Do you already have an LDAP server set up somewhere on your network? No. OMG everything comes back to LDAP. I may actually have to implement this sooner or later. > Can't expect a clear detailed answer if you don't give some detail..... Sorry I wasn't more clear in my first post. I was mainly probing for anyone that may have done this before I got into detail. Well....that and it's a busy day and I was too lazy to type all that info =P -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 26 19:37:43 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:37:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba pdc - ltsp In-Reply-To: <3441.170.211.161.150.1080329306.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406483C3.30508@cfl.rr.com> <3441.170.211.161.150.1080329306.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <40648687.4090904@cfl.rr.com> Your quickest way to do this is with NIS on your Whitebox. Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Brian Chase said: > >>A little more information would be good like: >> >>- What box is running your PDC? Windows? Which specific OS. > > WhiteBox Enterprise Linux--Samba 3.0 > > >>- Which is the master user database, PDC or LTSP box? > > PDC > > >>- If it's Windows, are you running Windows Terminal Services as well? > > Ick. *vomit* > > >>- Are you running Active Directory > > No. more *vomit* > > >>- Do you already have an LDAP server set up somewhere on your network? > > No. OMG everything comes back to LDAP. I may actually have to implement this > sooner or later. > > >>Can't expect a clear detailed answer if you don't give some detail..... > > Sorry I wasn't more clear in my first post. I was mainly probing for anyone > that may have done this before I got into detail. Well....that and it's a busy > day and I was too lazy to type all that info =P > > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 26 19:49:34 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:49:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Errors In-Reply-To: <1078960763.4300.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1078960763.4300.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4064894E.9010408@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Bob K wrote: > After getting the key, I now get the following error > Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin_1.130-1_noarch.rpm: > md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#11f63c51) > E: Error: 0 unsigned packages Has anyone found a solution for this key? Eric's solution for below solved almost all of my upgrade problems except this same one that Bob mentioned. > // > >>/> rpm --import //_http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc_/ >> -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 26 19:52:49 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:52:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get Errors In-Reply-To: <4064894E.9010408@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <1078960763.4300.1.camel@server.ltsp> <4064894E.9010408@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <40648A11.20000@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Chris Hobbs wrote: > Bob K wrote: > >> After getting the key, I now get the following error > > >> Unknown signature /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin_1.130-1_noarch.rpm: >> md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#11f63c51) >> E: Error: 0 unsigned packages > > > Has anyone found a solution for this key? Eric's solution for below > solved almost all of my upgrade problems except this same one that Bob > mentioned. OK, further research allowed me to find and import the correct key for webmin: rpm --import http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 26 19:59:27 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:59:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get problem: 2 unsigned packages Message-ID: <40648B9F.9070303@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> On attempting to "apt-get dist-upgrade" a 3.1.0 box, I get the following errors regarding unsigned packages: Checking GPG signatures... Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/ltsp%5ffloppyd_3.0.0-4.k12ltsp.4.0_i386.rpm: sha1 md5 OK Unsigned /var/cache/apt/archives/j2re_1.4.2%5f02-fcs_i586.rpm: md5 OK E: Error: 2 unsigned packages 0 unknown signatures 0 illegal/corrupted signatures Ideas? -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Mar 26 20:12:13 2004 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:12:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can you run a 64 bit server and 32 bit clients? Message-ID: <1080331933.1792.20.camel@localhost> Hi all, Would it be possible to run a 64 bit server like a dual Opteron and 32 bit clients like Athalons? I was just thinking about application compatibility in such a situation. Thanks, P.S. let me know if this signature is too annoying and I'll get rid of it. :) -- Justin Paulsen .88888888:. IT Coordinator 88888888.88888. Frederic School District .8888888888888888. Frederic, WI 54837 888888888888888888 (715) 327-4223 88' _`88'_ `88888 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us 88 88 88 88 88888 http://www.frederic.k12.wi.us 88_88_::_88_:88888 88:::,::,:::::8888 88`:::::::::'`8888 .88 `::::' 8:88. 8888 `8:888. .8888' `888888. .8888:.. .::. ...:'8888888:. "The world is open." .8888.' :' `'::`88:88888 .8888 ' `.888:8888. 888:8 Ph34r . My 888:88888 .888:88 .: 888:88888: 8888888. L33t :: Sk1llz! 88:888888 "Are you?" `.::.888. :: .88888888 .::::::.888. :: :::`8888'.:. ::::::::::.888 ' .:::::::::::: ::::::::::::.8 ' .:8::::::::::::. .::::::::::::::. .:888::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::88:.__..:88888:::::::::::' `'.:::::::::::88888888888.88:::::::::' `':::_:' -- '' -'-' `':_::::'` ASCII Penguin from www.penguin.org From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 20:24:10 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:24:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can you run a 64 bit server and 32 bit clients? In-Reply-To: <1080331933.1792.20.camel@localhost> References: <1080331933.1792.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <3678.170.211.161.150.1080332650.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Justin Paulsen said: > Hi all, > > Would it be possible to run a 64 bit server like a dual Opteron and 32 > bit clients like Athalons? > > I was just thinking about application compatibility in such a situation. There would be no problem...backwards compatibility of 64 bit chips. But the thing is that's a lot of money spent not to be fully utilized. Anyway, to answer the question I don't see why that wouldn't work. > Thanks, > > P.S. let me know if this signature is too annoying and I'll get rid of > it. :) > > -- > Justin Paulsen .88888888:. > IT Coordinator 88888888.88888. > Frederic School District .8888888888888888. > Frederic, WI 54837 888888888888888888 > (715) 327-4223 88' _`88'_ `88888 > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us 88 88 88 88 88888 > http://www.frederic.k12.wi.us 88_88_::_88_:88888 > 88:::,::,:::::8888 > 88`:::::::::'`8888 > .88 `::::' 8:88. > 8888 `8:888. > .8888' `888888. > .8888:.. .::. ...:'8888888:. > "The world is open." .8888.' :' `'::`88:88888 > .8888 ' `.888:8888. > 888:8 Ph34r . My 888:88888 > .888:88 .: 888:88888: > 8888888. L33t :: Sk1llz! 88:888888 > "Are you?" `.::.888. :: .88888888 > .::::::.888. :: :::`8888'.:. > ::::::::::.888 ' .:::::::::::: > ::::::::::::.8 ' .:8::::::::::::. > .::::::::::::::. .:888::::::::::::: > :::::::::::::::88:.__..:88888:::::::::::' > `'.:::::::::::88888888888.88:::::::::' > `':::_:' -- '' -'-' `':_::::'` > > ASCII Penguin from www.penguin.org My that *is* kinda annoying. I don't complain though...I just deal with things ;-) -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 26 20:27:10 2004 From: cwagnon at redbugmail.k12.ar.us (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:27:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit apps question Message-ID: <3690.170.211.161.150.1080332830.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Justin Paulsen's email begs the question: What if I have 64 bit apps I run on the server...will they run from the 32 bit clients? Think about the advantages of the future...ltsp would be one super cheap way to aquire 64bit worksatsions. -- Caleb Wagnon MCP A+ CCNA Technology Coordinator Fordyce School District 870.352.2968 http://redbugs.dsc.k12.ar.us From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Fri Mar 26 21:14:49 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:14:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:Fonts in GCompris In-Reply-To: <20040326202245.72199737A6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000201c41377$60486650$fd01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> I am running k12ltsp 3.xx and I have a problem with GCompris on the clients. None of the fonts show up on the clients screens. All I get are little boxes where the words should be. When I run it from the box that is the server everything displays perfectly. I have tried adjusting the monitor resolution in lts.conf, but not the color depth. I have to use one of the mode lines or my monitors won't work. (sorry that i have not copied it here. the machine is at another site. it is the 60 hz modeline for 1024 x 768 for those of you who have this stuff memorized.) The other funky part is that the mouse pointer is not a solid color, but has lines through it like the second pass of an interlaced monitor didn't take place. Next question: Where is tuxpaint supposed to be. It is not on the menu, and it is not listed in the packages. On my test server with 4.01 it is there, and I absolutely love it. (So does my 4 yr old) I am envisioning great things for it with the k, 1st, and 2nd grades as a way to integrate technology with language arts. TIA Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy I.T. Coordinator From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 26 22:24:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:24:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit apps question In-Reply-To: <3690.170.211.161.150.1080332830.squirrel@170.211.161.150> References: <3690.170.211.161.150.1080332830.squirrel@170.211.161.150> Message-ID: <1080339852.3150.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 14:27, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > Justin Paulsen's email begs the question: What if I have 64 bit apps I run on > the server...will they run from the 32 bit clients? Think about the advantages > of the future...ltsp would be one super cheap way to aquire 64bit > worksatsions. > Yes, if you are running 'thin' terminals instead of local apps, the programs always run on the server and can display on any kind of device running X. However many programs won't be improved by compiling for 64bit mode. The big advantage is that the kernel can use a more efficient mode to access more than 4 gigs of RAM. In most cases you won't want a single application using that much. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Mar 26 22:31:58 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:31:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4064AF5E.1010709@cmosnetworks.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, mella wrote: > > >>>From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>No, it shouldn't. None of the apps are actually running on the client >>>at all; they're all running on the server and merely are displayed on >>>the client. The only "large" app running on the client is the X11 >>>server itself, and that fits nicely into 32MB. Most of my clients have >>> >>> >><32MB DRAM, and they run just as fast as if they have 48MB or 64MB. >> >> >>>Matter of fact, I've actually pulled DRAM out of a client so that it'll >>>boot faster (less DRAM to go through during POST). >>> >>> >>Wrong answer! >>I use k12LTSP4.0.1 , 30 clients with Dual Xeon + 4G RAM. >>My clients use many memory-wasting programs like Mozilla, OOO and Evolution. >>I noticed strange restarts on clients with 32MB RAM. Even with 64MB. But clients with 128MB RAM never restarted. >>So, I added NFS swap up to 96MB per client and now all is ok. No more restarts. >>So, amount of client RAM IS important! >> >> >> >Mella is right - the amount of client memory matters, because the X server >got "smart" and uses more memory to reduce network traffic. 128MB seems to >be the magic number. julius > > > Hey, I can only relate my experience, and that says, "no difference." Julius, I hadn't heard about the X11 server getting "smart." I'd of course like to know more. Given that the apps are running on the server, not the client itself, how does this "smart" bit work? We're just displaying stuff, aren't we, or are we somehow migrating apps over to the client under the hood, a'la OpenMosix? Please enlighten me; you've got me curious! --TP From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 26 22:47:48 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:47:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and k12ltsp4 Message-ID: <4064B314.2030700@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> I'm attempting to make use of the rdesktop feature in LTSP 4.0 (I love the idea of giving users the capability of swithcing between Linux and Win2K3 server!). Long story short, it doesn't work. When using the following basic lts.conf, the Linux side works fine, rdesktop never shows up on the second console. [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.254 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N SCREEN_01 = startx RDP_SERVER = 192.168.0.250 SCREEN_02 = rdesktop SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" VOLUME = 75 Any ideas? -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 26 23:12:36 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:12:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and k12ltsp4 In-Reply-To: <4064B314.2030700@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <4064B314.2030700@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <4064B8E4.6080909@cfl.rr.com> Can you rdesktop from the LTSP server itself? Are you sure you have the required licenses for Win2k3 Terminal Services? Chris Hobbs wrote: > I'm attempting to make use of the rdesktop feature in LTSP 4.0 (I love > the idea of giving users the capability of swithcing between Linux and > Win2K3 server!). > > Long story short, it doesn't work. When using the following basic > lts.conf, the Linux side works fine, rdesktop never shows up on the > second console. > > [Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > SCREEN_01 = startx > RDP_SERVER = 192.168.0.250 > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop > > SOUND = Y > SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > VOLUME = 75 > > > Any ideas? > -- Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 26 23:00:47 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:00:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and k12ltsp4 In-Reply-To: <4064B8E4.6080909@cfl.rr.com> References: <4064B314.2030700@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> <4064B8E4.6080909@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4064B61F.2010702@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Licenses shouldn't be the issue - I had the terms working fine before I upgraded to 4.0 (I was using wilisystem with LTSP3 prior to this afternoon). Brian Chase wrote: > Can you rdesktop from the LTSP server itself? > > Are you sure you have the required licenses for Win2k3 Terminal Services? > > Chris Hobbs wrote: > >> I'm attempting to make use of the rdesktop feature in LTSP 4.0 (I >> love the idea of giving users the capability of swithcing between >> Linux and Win2K3 server!). >> >> Long story short, it doesn't work. When using the following basic >> lts.conf, the Linux side works fine, rdesktop never shows up on the >> second console. >> >> [Default] >> SERVER = 192.168.0.254 >> XSERVER = auto >> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" >> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" >> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 >> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 >> USE_XFS = N >> SCREEN_01 = startx >> RDP_SERVER = 192.168.0.250 >> SCREEN_02 = rdesktop >> >> SOUND = Y >> SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" >> >> VOLUME = 75 >> >> >> Any ideas? >> > -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From TRomaine at comcast.net Fri Mar 26 23:26:42 2004 From: TRomaine at comcast.net (Theodore Romaine) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:26:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Unsubscribe from mailing list please. 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We are > ready to move to Samba 3 though, and this is where the trouble begins. > We do not have a domain set up. We have a few samba boxes and they just use > the ldap servers to get their passwords from. (no roaming desktops or > anything like that.) A quick-and-dirty fix is to use the compatibility mode for ldap. That way you do not have to modify your LDAP server. In smb.conf, change: passdb backend = ldapsam:ldap://localhost/,guest to passdb backend = ldapsam_compat:ldap://localhost/,guest -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When using the following basic > lts.conf, the Linux side works fine, rdesktop never shows up on the > second console. > > [Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.254 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > SCREEN_01 = startx > RDP_SERVER = 192.168.0.250 > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop > > SOUND = Y > SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > VOLUME = 75 > > > Any ideas? From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 27 01:43:38 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:43:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and k12ltsp4 In-Reply-To: <4064B314.2030700@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <4064B314.2030700@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <1080351818.3261.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 16:47, Chris Hobbs wrote: > I'm attempting to make use of the rdesktop feature in LTSP 4.0 (I love > the idea of giving users the capability of swithcing between Linux and > Win2K3 server!). > > Long story short, it doesn't work. When using the following basic > lts.conf, the Linux side works fine, rdesktop never shows up on the > second console. > Rdesktop runs under X, so it is failing because you already used the :0 display. I'm not sure it makes sense to start another X server for it. If you want both, just run a copy in your Linux session. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Mar 27 05:19:16 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:49:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Proposal due Monday, feedback welcome In-Reply-To: <20040326162745.66664.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040326162745.66664.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1080364755.8502.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 21:57, Dan Bo wrote: > 1. Buy two used Compaqs with dual PIIs and RAID > 4.9GB disks X9 that I saw for 15K each recently > Total cost 30,000 Baht; I would rather buy a single P4 (dual) and run everything from there. 2~4 GB RAM > 2. Bump the RAM on these to over a GB each > Ttotal cost 6,000 Baht See above 3. Purchase clients off a shipment from Japan ot > the US, P200s 32 MB RAM, 2MB video, at about 900 Baht > each > Total cost 12,000 Baht; > 4. Monitors from Japan for 1,500 Baht each > 19,000 Baht; > 5. Buy an old PII to run Smoothwall or ?ECop? 3,500 > Baht; Good > 6. Buy a new 16 port switch with one or two gigabit > ports and one or two gigabit cards for the servers > ???? Baht; Why giga port? I would recommend stick to 100mbps and save money for RAM on server. > 7. Use the rest to purchase mice and keyboards; > 8. Use IceWM with limited menus to limit the memory > consumption per client; > 9. Use one server for thin client use and the other > for scheduling software, documents, and mail. Rsync > the two servers nightly to allow me to turn services > on in case of failure of one of them. With one server admin issues are low. Buy one more Pii with hdd minimal linux install and use this as floppy boot terminal during the day, rsync on this at night to backup. > 10. Use eGroupware, a fork of PhPGroupware, which I > have used before. > 11. Use Webmin to divide the admin tasks among > several folks. > 12. Possibly use SchoolMation 1.0, but survive on > eGroupware alone if I can; > 13. And try, for the first time in my life, to set > up an IMAP mail setup for use inside eGroupware. Can not comment on that. That is my suggestion. Keep posted on how it goes. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Sat Mar 27 14:03:42 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:03:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <4064AF5E.1010709@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4064AF5E.1010709@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <406589BE.9090503@earthlink.net> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, mella wrote: >> >> >>>> From: "Terrell Prude', Jr." >>>> No, it shouldn't. None of the apps are actually running on the client >>>> at all; they're all running on the server and merely are displayed on >>>> the client. The only "large" app running on the client is the X11 >>>> server itself, and that fits nicely into 32MB. Most of my clients >>>> have >>>> >>> >>> <32MB DRAM, and they run just as fast as if they have 48MB or 64MB. >>> >>> >>>> Matter of fact, I've actually pulled DRAM out of a client so that >>>> it'll >>>> boot faster (less DRAM to go through during POST). >>>> >>> >>> Wrong answer! >>> I use k12LTSP4.0.1 , 30 clients with Dual Xeon + 4G RAM. >>> My clients use many memory-wasting programs like Mozilla, OOO and >>> Evolution. >>> I noticed strange restarts on clients with 32MB RAM. Even with 64MB. >>> But clients with 128MB RAM never restarted. >>> So, I added NFS swap up to 96MB per client and now all is ok. No >>> more restarts. >>> So, amount of client RAM IS important! >>> >>> >> >> Mella is right - the amount of client memory matters, because the X >> server >> got "smart" and uses more memory to reduce network traffic. 128MB >> seems to >> be the magic number. julius >> >> >> > > Hey, I can only relate my experience, and that says, "no difference." > > Julius, I hadn't heard about the X11 server getting "smart." I'd of > course like to know more. Given that the apps are running on the > server, not the client itself, how does this "smart" bit work? We're > just displaying stuff, aren't we, or are we somehow migrating apps > over to the client under the hood, a'la OpenMosix? > > Please enlighten me; you've got me curious! > > --TP I am very interested in this discussion as I am trying to figure out how to get a little better performance in our lab. I have been trying to decide whether to try to migrate all the boxes I have that would hand 128MB into the lab -- performance is always an issue when you have a lab full of excited students trying to get their work done. If the client has more memory, then does the server do less swapping for that client (thus less processor time and bandwidth?). Thanks for this discussion. Rita Gibson RMSEL From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Mar 27 15:25:40 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:25:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proposal due Monday, feedback welcome In-Reply-To: <20040326162745.66664.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040326162745.66664.qmail@web20722.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40659CF4.6080700@cmosnetworks.com> WARNING: this is kinda long. The more DRAM in the server, the better. I built a dual Athlon 1700+ (1.4GHz) machine w/ 4GB DRAM and a fiber Gigabit Ethernet NIC for less than $2000 USA. However, it doesn't have SCSI RAID; it has twin 80GB IDE disks. Twenty-five clients are currently served by it with plenty of headroom to spare; according to my calculations, it can easily handle forty--and maybe even sixty--before it starts swapping to disk, and this is with all of my users running KDE or GNOME (their choice), OpenOffice.org, and Mozilla. Note that, for the same price, you can now build the same server with Athlon 2400+'s. You want to make sure you have plenty of CPU power as well as DRAM. Without decent CPU power, running your applications will feel sluggish to your students. The fastest Pentium II chip ever made was the 450MHz version, and the Pentium III started at 500MHz (I think). For thirteen clients, you can get away with 1.5GB DRAM and thus cut the price of the above server from just under $2000 US to about $1400 US. Replacing the fiber Gig-E NIC with a copper Gig-E NIC (*strongly* recommended to run Gig-E on the server!) will bring it down another $200, down to $1200 US. This is about 48,000 Baht according to your formula below. I don't know if you'd be able to stretch it that far, but if you can, your students will benefit, and future expansion will be very easy and less expensive (just add more DRAM to the server) than having to buy a new server and migrate everything. I absolutely concur with Gigabit Ethernet on the server. My own informal tests show that once you start getting beyond five or six machines, a 100Mbps connection just isn't enough to service all of the clients. The "outside" connection on the server can be 100Mbps, but the "inside" connection should definitely be Gig-E. Mine runs on a Catalyst 3548 switch and sits on one of the GBIC ports, and now I'm sure glad I did that way. For the dial-up option, I personally would discard that option if at all possible. Thirteen people on dial-up just won't cut it. In a previous job, I was in a similar situation involving fifteen people on a 56k dialup connection. We ended up getting dual ISDN lines (DSL wasn't yet available at our location) so we could do our jobs effectively. Depending on your budget, you may also consider Coyote Linux, a floppy-based distribution, running on an old 486. I used that for about a year as my firewall/NAT gateway, and it worked nicely for me. This might possibly save you from having to buy an old Pentium II for SmoothWall, but I can say that SmoothWall is a fine product; I used it for about a month. For IMAP mail servers, I'd suggest Courier-IMAP and Postfix. This is the setup that I run, and I find it easier to deal with than sendmail. No slam on sendmail--it's the backbone of all Internet email and thus very much battle-tested--but it is complex. Courier-IMAP is nice because it uses maildirs for both speed and resilience. Note that my mail server runs on an AMD K6-2 at 300MHz, with 256MB DRAM, and this has proven to be way overkill. I've found that you can do it in 64MB DRAM and a Pentium-133, as long as your disk drive is large enough to accommodate all the stored email (disk quotas can help here if necessary). If you go with Courier-IMAP, make sure that /home is nice and big, because that's where all the emails will be stored. If you go with UW-IMAP (the more traditional choice), then it's /var that needs to be big (don't make /home tiny, though). Hopefully this helps. --TP Dan Bo wrote: >(The Baht can be converted to US$ by dividing by about >40) >In a casual conversation with my new school's >secretary while we were travelling to a seminar, I >mentioned setting up the school with computers. I said >that I could probably do it for about 90k Baht with >thin clients. Well, I have now been asked to make a >formal proposal to the school director on Monday, and >am looking for some feedback. > >First, the requirements (or, since the director >doesn't know anything, what I look at as >requirements): > > * One or more servers to serve the thin clients, > * About thirteen clients, scattered throughout the >school, though more if I can, > * Software to handle document exchange, >scheduling, etc... > * Software to administer the school and track >students, > * Internet access on a dial-up which limited >numbers of folks can turn on or off, > * Minimum admin work, able to be done by someone >as an extra duty (and not, me, though I will have time >to train). > >I am likely to: > > 1. Buy two used Compaqs with dual PIIs and RAID >4.9GB disks X9 that I saw for 15K each recently > Total cost 30,000 Baht; > 2. Bump the RAM on these to over a GB each > Ttotal cost 6,000 Baht > 3. Purchase clients off a shipment from Japan ot >the US, P200s 32 MB RAM, 2MB video, at about 900 Baht >each > Total cost 12,000 Baht; > 4. Monitors from Japan for 1,500 Baht each > 19,000 Baht; > 5. Buy an old PII to run Smoothwall or ?ECop? 3,500 >Baht; > 6. Buy a new 16 port switch with one or two gigabit >ports and one or two gigabit cards for the servers >???? Baht; > 7. Use the rest to purchase mice and keyboards; > 8. Use IceWM with limited menus to limit the memory >consumption per client; > 9. Use one server for thin client use and the other >for scheduling software, documents, and mail. Rsync >the two servers nightly to allow me to turn services >on in case of failure of one of them. > 10. Use eGroupware, a fork of PhPGroupware, which I >have used before. > 11. Use Webmin to divide the admin tasks among >several folks. > 12. Possibly use SchoolMation 1.0, but survive on >eGroupware alone if I can; > 13. And try, for the first time in my life, to set >up an IMAP mail setup for use inside eGroupware. > >This is an order of magnitude beyond anything I've >done before, but I don't suspect that I'll have any >problems with this setup. Suggestions and/or flames >are welcome... >Daniel > > > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Mar 27 15:34:58 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:34:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Free computers for kids In-Reply-To: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> Message-ID: <40659F22.9090200@snet.net> Check this out: School-Library.net's Free 2 Learn Project Free computers for students http://free2learn.school-library.net Im looking into the steps to initiate a non-profit now. I also need to nail down the details for giving away the computers once they're built. For my students I am going to have an essay contest, since I am only offering the first two machines at my present school, but I wonder if I should not develop a different criteria as this venture expands. Then again, having students write an essay about OSS will encourage them to learn about it, which is good. Does that makes this seem as much a mercenary OSS advocacy program as a charitable venture? I have one machine here, a pentium1, 100mhz, that I'm having trouble with. I used Rule/slinky to load RH8.0, but it won't run X. It seems to be missing libX11.so.6 and possibly some other things. I tried to find that on the CD and load it up, but I'm having difficulty with that. (mounted the cdrom and cded to it, but couldn't find stuff...weird). It won't run redhat-config-xfree86. I think, possibly, the hdd is too small and installation simply stopped when it ran out of room, failing to install necessary libs, or something. I don't really know, though. I figured rule would pare things down enough to fit on the hdd. I haven't even checked the size of it. I've downloaded Vector linux to give that a try. No other distro seems to load, except Corel Linux, but then it has display issues. I suppose this is all rather off-topic, but I thought you guys might be interested, in that this is, at least, about promoting OSS/Linux for students. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Mar 27 16:51:50 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude', Jr.) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:51:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Free computers for kids In-Reply-To: <40659F22.9090200@snet.net> References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> <40659F22.9090200@snet.net> Message-ID: <4065B126.70107@cmosnetworks.com> The machines you're talking about sound like they'd also make excellent LTSP clients! :-) On machines that small, if you're doing standalone OS installs, I'd recommend a lighterweight distro than Red Hat or SuSE. I've found Vector Linux and Peanut Linux to be good for this. They don't take up a bunch of space on the disk, either (less than 800MB for the whole thing). Would this be an option in your case? I'll warn you, though: on anything with less than 256MB DRAM, OpenOffice.org (any version) is going to be S-L-O-W, be you running it on FreeBSD, GNU/Linux, or even (gasp!) Windows 2K/XP. The kids are much better off using apps like AbiWord and Gnumeric on such boxes anyway; they're lightweight, functional, and reasonably quick. --TP anthony baldwin wrote: > Check this out: > School-Library.net's Free 2 Learn Project > Free computers for students > http://free2learn.school-library.net > > Im looking into the steps to initiate a non-profit now. > I also need to nail down the details for giving away the computers > once they're built. For my students I am going to have an essay > contest, since I am only offering the first two machines at my present > school, but I wonder if I should not develop a different criteria as > this venture expands. Then again, having students write an essay > about OSS will encourage them to learn about it, which is good. Does > that makes this seem as much a mercenary OSS advocacy program as a > charitable venture? > > I have one machine here, a pentium1, 100mhz, that I'm having trouble > with. I used Rule/slinky to load RH8.0, but it won't run X. It seems > to be missing libX11.so.6 and possibly some other things. I tried to > find that on the CD and load it up, but I'm having difficulty with that. > (mounted the cdrom and cded to it, but couldn't find stuff...weird). > It won't run redhat-config-xfree86. > I think, possibly, the hdd is too small and installation simply > stopped when it ran out of room, failing to install necessary libs, or > something. I don't really know, though. I figured rule would pare > things down enough to fit on the hdd. I haven't even checked the size > of it. I've downloaded Vector linux to give that a try. No other > distro seems to load, except Corel Linux, but then it has display issues. > I suppose this is all rather off-topic, but I thought you guys might > be interested, in that this is, at least, about promoting OSS/Linux > for students. > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Mar 27 18:24:11 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:24:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Free computers for kids In-Reply-To: <40659F22.9090200@snet.net> References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> <,> <40659F22.9090200@snet.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Check this out: >School-Library.net's Free 2 Learn Project >Free computers for students Will it run knoppix 4 kids? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 27 18:27:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:27:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <406589BE.9090503@earthlink.net> References: <4064AF5E.1010709@cmosnetworks.com> <406589BE.9090503@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1080412028.5575.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 08:03, Rita Gibson wrote: > I am very interested in this discussion as I am trying to figure out how > to get a little better performance in our lab. I have been trying to > decide whether to try to migrate all the boxes I have that would hand > 128MB into the lab -- performance is always an issue when you have a lab > full of excited students trying to get their work done. If the client > has more memory, then does the server do less swapping for that client > (thus less processor time and bandwidth?). I think the only thing X can do with extra memory is use it for 'backing store' so the obscured parts of overlapping or covered windows (which can be a lot) are stored locally instead of being redrawn as they are uncovered. If you only work on one thing at once, this would not make much difference. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 27 18:40:24 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:40:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: <1080412028.5575.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 08:03, Rita Gibson wrote: > >> I am very interested in this discussion as I am trying to figure out how >> to get a little better performance in our lab. I have been trying to >> decide whether to try to migrate all the boxes I have that would hand >> 128MB into the lab -- performance is always an issue when you have a lab >> full of excited students trying to get their work done. If the client >> has more memory, then does the server do less swapping for that client >> (thus less processor time and bandwidth?). > >I think the only thing X can do with extra memory is use it >for 'backing store' so the obscured parts of overlapping >or covered windows (which can be a lot) are stored locally >instead of being redrawn as they are uncovered. If you only >work on one thing at once, this would not make much difference. Fedora Core 2 will have a new utility, xrestop, which shows you the X server resource usage. This is nice since the standard "top" does not give you an accurate number, it includes video card memory that X is using. Right now I have a bunch of apps open (nautilus, mozilla, openoffice, xmms, etc) and xrestop reports that the X server is using 25M of ram. Almost all of it is pixmaps. -Eric From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Mar 27 18:52:40 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:52:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Free computers for kids In-Reply-To: <4065B126.70107@cmosnetworks.com> References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> <40659F22.9090200@snet.net> <4065B126.70107@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4065CD78.7010407@snet.net> Terrell Prude', Jr. wrote: > The machines you're talking about sound like they'd also make excellent > LTSP clients! :-) > > On machines that small, if you're doing standalone OS installs, I'd > recommend a lighterweight distro than Red Hat or SuSE. I've found > Vector Linux and Peanut Linux to be good for this. They don't take up a > bunch of space on the disk, either (less than 800MB for the whole > thing). Would this be an option in your case? > > I'll warn you, though: on anything with less than 256MB DRAM, > OpenOffice.org (any version) is going to be S-L-O-W, be you running it > on FreeBSD, GNU/Linux, or even (gasp!) Windows 2K/XP. The kids are much > better off using apps like AbiWord and Gnumeric on such boxes anyway; > they're lightweight, functional, and reasonably quick. > > --TP On faster machines, like the 400mhz I took to school already, I'll stick to K12 and RH, of course. The 400mhz is still pretty darned slow loading OOo. This machine I'm working on now doesn't seem to want to load a full distro, however, so I just downloaded Deli Linux, and I'm giong to try that. I had tried RH with Rule/slinky, but I couldn't get it to run X. tony > > anthony baldwin wrote: > >> Check this out: >> School-Library.net's Free 2 Learn Project >> Free computers for students >> http://free2learn.school-library.net -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi Sat Mar 27 18:53:18 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:53:18 +0200 Subject: LDAP Re: [K12OSN] samba pdc - ltsp In-Reply-To: <40648687.4090904@cfl.rr.com> References: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406483C3.30508@cfl.rr.com> <3441.170.211.161.150.1080329306.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <40648687.4090904@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4065CD9E.6040308@edu.hel.fi> How about external LDAP? Our user information is there and I would like have authentication with the ( city education dept) LDAP and home directories etc. on the LTSP-server. Today we gave NT 4.0 PCC (home directories there now, not used by LTSP)and Win98 clients, but as soon as possible we are migrating to LTSP-environment. Everything else is already working except the authentication. Use of the LDAP is importamt, because mailserver and intranet aree using same LDAP. mikkoj Brian Chase wrote: > Your quickest way to do this is with NIS on your Whitebox. > > Caleb Wagnon wrote: > >> Brian Chase said: >> >>> A little more information would be good like: >>> >>> - What box is running your PDC? Windows? Which specific OS. >> >> >> WhiteBox Enterprise Linux--Samba 3.0 >> >> >>> - Which is the master user database, PDC or LTSP box? >> >> >> PDC >> >> >>> - If it's Windows, are you running Windows Terminal Services as well? >> >> >> Ick. *vomit* >> >> >>> - Are you running Active Directory >> >> >> No. more *vomit* >> >> >>> - Do you already have an LDAP server set up somewhere on your network? >> >> >> No. OMG everything comes back to LDAP. I may actually have to >> implement this >> sooner or later. >> >> >>> Can't expect a clear detailed answer if you don't give some detail..... >> >> >> Sorry I wasn't more clear in my first post. I was mainly probing for >> anyone >> that may have done this before I got into detail. Well....that and >> it's a busy >> day and I was too lazy to type all that info =P >> >> > From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Mar 27 18:54:07 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:54:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Free computers for kids In-Reply-To: References: <7C63AA4702C1D4118BCF00306E00423404A4C2B3@nt2.nwrel.org> <, > <40659F22.9090200@snet.net> Message-ID: <4065CDCF.4040609@snet.net> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >>Check this out: >>School-Library.net's Free 2 Learn Project >>Free computers for students > > > Will it run knoppix 4 kids? I did get it to boot the Freeduc CD, but there were display issues, same as with Corel. Must be a Debian thing. It split the screen up and had mirror images of things showing...It was weird. I couldn't get it to load Woody at all. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 27 19:11:41 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:11:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Client RAM question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1080414701.5575.30.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 12:40, Eric Harrison wrote: > Right now I have a bunch of apps open (nautilus, mozilla, openoffice, > xmms, etc) and xrestop reports that the X server is using 25M of ram. > Almost all of it is pixmaps. Do you know if mosix provides any way to control whose programs run on which machine? If you shut a machine down gracefully, the processes are supposed to migrate but if you accidentally bump the power button they are going to crash so it seems dangerous to use machines in a lab setting. However, if you could control it so processes could only migrate to machines you designate as servers or back to the user's own desktop machine you could take advantage of more powerful desktop machines transparently and if someone pulls a power cord it would only affect their own programs which terminate anyway with the X session gone. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi Sat Mar 27 19:32:21 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:32:21 +0200 Subject: LDAP Re: [K12OSN] samba pdc - ltsp In-Reply-To: <4065CD9E.6040308@edu.hel.fi> References: <3406.170.211.161.150.1080328143.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <406483C3.30508@cfl.rr.com> <3441.170.211.161.150.1080329306.squirrel@170.211.161.150> <40648687.4090904@cfl.rr.com> <4065CD9E.6040308@edu.hel.fi> Message-ID: <4065D6C5.8080902@edu.hel.fi> should be: "we have NT 4.0 PDC..." sorry ( sorry about the smaller mistakes too) Mikko Jordman wrote: > How about external LDAP? Our user information is there and I would like > have authentication with the ( city education dept) LDAP and home > directories etc. on the LTSP-server. > Today we gave NT 4.0 PCC (home directories there now, not used by > LTSP)and Win98 clients, but as soon as possible we are migrating to > LTSP-environment. Everything else is already working except the > authentication. Use of the LDAP is importamt, because mailserver and > intranet aree using same LDAP. > > mikkoj > > Brian Chase wrote: > >> Your quickest way to do this is with NIS on your Whitebox. >> >> Caleb Wagnon wrote: >> >>> Brian Chase said: >>> >>>> A little more information would be good like: >>>> >>>> - What box is running your PDC? Windows? Which specific OS. >>> >>> >>> >>> WhiteBox Enterprise Linux--Samba 3.0 >>> >>> >>>> - Which is the master user database, PDC or LTSP box? >>> >>> >>> >>> PDC >>> >>> >>>> - If it's Windows, are you running Windows Terminal Services as well? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ick. *vomit* >>> >>> >>>> - Are you running Active Directory >>> >>> >>> >>> No. more *vomit* >>> >>> >>>> - Do you already have an LDAP server set up somewhere on your network? >>> >>> >>> >>> No. OMG everything comes back to LDAP. I may actually have to >>> implement this >>> sooner or later. >>> >>> >>>> Can't expect a clear detailed answer if you don't give some >>>> detail..... >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry I wasn't more clear in my first post. I was mainly probing for >>> anyone >>> that may have done this before I got into detail. Well....that and >>> it's a busy >>> day and I was too lazy to type all that info =P >>> >>> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ********************************************************************* Mikko Jordman puh. 310 80994 / 050-5675454 rehtori fax. 310 80995 Siltam?en ala-aste K?yntiosoite: Siltakyl?ntie 9A (00740 Helsinki 74) Postiosoite: Siltam?en ala-aste PL 3519 00099 HELSINGIN KAUPUNKI mikko.jordman at edu.hel.fi Tiimiposti: JORDMAN MIKKO HKI/OPEV ********************************************************************* From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 27 23:09:32 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:09:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [LeapList]LTSP tutorials In-Reply-To: <4065BECF.7000006@cfl.rr.com> References: <4065144B.20304@cfl.rr.com> <4065C25A.6020606@cfl.rr.com> <4065BECF.7000006@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <406609AC.2010101@cfl.rr.com> We'll be doing around 30 to 40 terminals for the lab. We'll probably be purchasing a server from monetary donations from here: http://www.symbio-technologies.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=190 I'm thinking RAID-5 SCSI, with 15k RPM drives, and 8 Gig RAM to start out. Comments on this as a starting point for system resources??? What do you think? I like the sounds of this because they support LTSP and have proven LTSP compatibility, on top of their management suite that sounds like it simplifies alot of the tweaking required for LTSP. The non-profit I'm helping out won't be able to afford IT staff to support, so I'm looking to minimize my time donated on an ongoing basis, which makes the management suite an added bonus. Interested in all opinions on this box for an LTSP server. Regards, BC patrick wrote: > Brian Chase wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> Thanks for the links, been to most of them already, but it's good for >> others on the list. >> >> BTW, was that an offer to donate the 25 NIC's with bootroms to the >> LTSP non-profit project I am working on? >> >> >> >> patrick wrote: >> >>> >>> I have 25+ Intel EEPRO NICs with boot roms onboard... Write me if you >>> need to know the Part number... >>> >> > perhaps. I also have the new 4 CDs that make up LTSP 4.0, having just > downloaded and burned two copies each. What do intend to install, an > entire classroom? > > _______________________________________________ > LeapList mailing list > LeapList at lists.leap-cf.org > http://www.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/leaplist > -- Brian Chase Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com http://openalternatives.net From robark at telus.net Sun Mar 28 03:25:59 2004 From: robark at telus.net (robark at telus.net) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:25:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] boot from local ntfs HD In-Reply-To: <1080229404.2695.14.camel@brendam> References: <1080229404.2695.14.camel@brendam> Message-ID: <1080444359.406645c72be60@webmail.telus.net> Hi Dan, This is the exact solution I was looking for. I know it's possible to dual boot to linux on a primary partition on the local HD with this method (using windows boot loader by editing boot.ini ). However, you suggest replacing the bootsect.lin file with the rom-o-matic etherboot.com. My only concern is, will it work with an ntfs drive?? In any case, I will try it and report back here but it will take a few weeks as my server has not arrived yet. Thanks for everyones replies/help in this matter, it's much appreciated. I'm also posting a reply to Jim C. Robert Quoting Daniel Button