From info at proex-india.com Mon Aug 1 08:25:30 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:55:30 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] TX overrun Problem Message-ID: <200508010857.j718vnvv018141@mx2.redhat.com> Hello. I am facing a network issue , My telnet applications halts or hangs at the client side. Ifconfig shows TX overruns , where could be the problem . Server is Redhat 9.0 and LTSP 4.1.1 clients are celeron machines wuth RTL8139 cards with ehterboot Server is P4 with 2GB of RAM with Software mirroring. Some tips of Tools to monitor Networks Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/05 From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Aug 1 11:55:48 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 07:55:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd problem Message-ID: <42EE0DC4.2000005@msln.net> When I add a user from a command line I get; [root at msad3pdc ~]# smbldap-useradd -m -a mgumprecht Can't call method "get_value" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 171, line 283. [root at msad3pdc ~]# I'm not sure what happened, It was working fine and then I started to get this. Mak -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Aug 1 13:25:38 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:25:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mythtv and ltsp Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E75E@MAILBE2.westat.com> On: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:09 PM, Rob Owens said: >> >> There was some talk about using mythtv on this list a while >> back. I'm wondering if anybody has done it successfully and >> could offer any advice. I haven't actually done anything with it yet. It is on my list of things to play with at home so I've done some reading. I found this site which specifically links Fedora with MythTV. It seems to have some very useful information and links. http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ -- Henry From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Aug 1 13:45:36 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:45:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBldap on k12ltsp-el Message-ID: <50FA5DE6-1235-4AB1-8584-8EF45BC3E2BA@telenet.be> Quick question, does the installer script for SmbLdap works on the Centos4 release (K12ltsp-EL) ? Kevin From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 1 18:24:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:24:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre-release #3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c596c6$3532f470$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > /sbin/service vncts reload Everything seems to have upgraded without errors. However the above command did not work for me. I receive this error: [root at ltsp /]# /sbin/service vncts reload vncts: unrecognized service [root at ltsp /]# When I fixed this manually before I did a "/etc/init.d/xinetd restart". That worked fine for me. Not a problem but hopefully that will help others with the same error. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 1 19:41:19 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:41:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre-release #3 In-Reply-To: <001f01c596c6$3532f470$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001f01c596c6$3532f470$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42EE7ADF.8080803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> /sbin/service vncts reload > > > Everything seems to have upgraded without errors. However the above > command did not work for me. I receive this error: > > [root at ltsp /]# /sbin/service vncts reload > vncts: unrecognized service > [root at ltsp /]# > > When I fixed this manually before I did a "/etc/init.d/xinetd restart". > That worked fine for me. Not a problem but hopefully that will help > others with the same error. > Doh! I meant to type: /sbin/service xinetd reload "/etc/init.d/xinetd restart" does the same thing. Thanks for catching that error Jim! -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 1 22:07:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:07:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot get flash-plugin Message-ID: Hi all, I've just done a sandbox install of 4.4 pre3. I got sound working, but can't test it in flash as I can't seem to get flash. Double clicking on the icon in the "Install Additional Software" folder....get's me nothing but a blinking cursor in terminal. I read the get.flash script. It uses up2date....I tried running up2date manually.....nothing. (never mind...I fixed it...was getting hung up in DansGuardian...) BUT...I still can't get the flash-plugin... Apt-get runs fine, but can't find the flash-plugin in the repository. I prefer apt-get whenever possible as yum is way too slow....can you put flash-plugin in the repo? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 1 23:51:29 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:51:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot get flash-plugin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Finally got the plugin....up2date now works. It was getting hung up in my proxy server. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 1 23:51:29 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:51:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot get flash-plugin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Finally got the plugin....up2date now works. It was getting hung up in my proxy server. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 1 23:56:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:56:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] compiling KTouch 1.5....I'm stuck Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to compile KTouch 1.5 from the sourceforge site so that hopefully I can have the statistics back like the old version as I use KTouch as a major part of my typing curriculum for 5th grade. Anyway...I downloaded the source....untarred it....and began to run ./configure It goes through and then ends with an error that "/lib/cpp failed sanity check" I'm assuming that I don't have a C++ compiler installed correctly, but am unsure as to where to go next. I'd appreciate any help...even wild stabs in the dark. Also if anyone out there would like to build an RPM of the newest KTouch version....we'd all be "wicked" appreciative! :-) The newest KTouch won't become part of KDEedu until KDE 3.5....I can't wait that long :-( David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 2 01:25:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:25:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] compiling KTouch 1.5....I'm stuck...more info...check my log file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've posted my config.log file here http://www.vcsvikings.org/share/config.log (it's text so you should be able to read in browser) to help indicate where the problem may lie....problem is I cannot seem to figure it out. I could use some help. I'm trying to compile KTouch 1.5 from the sourceforge site so that hopefully I can have the statistics back like the old version as I use KTouch as a major part of my typing curriculum for 5th grade. Anyway...I downloaded the source....untarred it....and began to run ./configure It goes through and then ends with an error that "/lib/cpp failed sanity check" I'm assuming that I don't have a C++ compiler installed correctly, but am unsure as to where to go next. I'd appreciate any help...even wild stabs in the dark. Also if anyone out there would like to build an RPM of the newest KTouch version....we'd all be "wicked" appreciative! :-) The newest KTouch won't become part of KDEedu until KDE 3.5....I can't wait that long :-( David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 2 11:06:06 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 7:06:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic regarding Fedora Core 3 Desktop install Message-ID: <23138671.1122980766824.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> I have installed the Desktop version of Fedora Core 3 to a computer at our agency, using the K12LTSP disks that I used to set up our k12 network here at the school. The person is that now has this desktop version of Fedora is having 2 problems. 1. she cannot do her online banking because it requires Java. What is the easiest way to get Java running on her computer (I'm a command line novice)? 2. I suggested she check her AOL mail through the web interface for AOL. After she logs in, the page just hangs. Any idea what the problem is? Thanks all! From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 2 12:31:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:31:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What package will install g++? Message-ID: What package will install g++? I'm trying to add it to my K12LTSP 4.4 system.... which g++ says there is no g++ installed. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 2 12:34:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:34:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic regarding Fedora Core 3 Desktop install In-Reply-To: <23138671.1122980766824.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> References: <23138671.1122980766824.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1122986084.9433.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 06:06, Will Hatch wrote: > I have installed the Desktop version of Fedora Core 3 to a computer at our agency, using the K12LTSP disks that I used to set up our k12 network here at the school. The person is that now has this desktop version of Fedora is having 2 problems. > > 1. she cannot do her online banking because it requires Java. What is the easiest way to get Java running on her computer (I'm a command line novice)? If you started with the k12ltsp version, you should have a bunch of helper scripts in /usr/sbin/get.* that also have desktop icons under "get additional software" if you log in as root. You can execute them by double-clicking the icon or typing the script name, or you can look at the script to see the relevant command. In this case it is "up2date -i --nosig jre j2re-plugin". I assume this requires the modified /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources that comes with k12ltsp. > 2. I suggested she check her AOL mail through the web interface for AOL. After she logs in, the page just hangs. Any idea what the problem is? I'm not sure why this doesn't work, but you get a free gmail.com account and set it up to use pop with evolution or any standard mailer. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 2 12:36:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 07:36:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What package will install g++? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1122986213.9433.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:31, David Trask wrote: > What package will install g++? I'm trying to add it to my K12LTSP 4.4 > system.... which g++ says there is no g++ installed. yum install gcc should get it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Aug 2 13:06:46 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:06:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lessons learned on smb/ldap setup in centos4 Message-ID: <42EF6FE6.1020404@msln.net> For those interestedin the 4.2.1el smb/ldap setup here's what I've been able to reproduce. Using Matt's 2.0 alpha version of the installer, and an install of the 4.2.1EL version of centos4 without the LTSP package. This is the change I made to the distro_data.pm. ################################### "centos4" => { # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts utilities in here PATH => "/usr/sbin", media_mnt_point => { cd => "/media/cd.*", }, rpms => { 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Jcode-0.83-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'smbldap-tools-0.9.1-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'binutils-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-HTML-Tagset-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'cpp-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-libwww-perl-5.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-URI-1.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-HTML-Parser-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'samba-common-3.*.i386.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'samba-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-XML-SAX-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-LDAP-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-Convert-ASN1-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'gcc-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'openldap-clients-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'glibc-devel-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'glibc-headers-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'glibc-kernheaders-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'openldap-servers-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-Digest-SHA1-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, }, }, # end centos4 ################################### Then I did the CPAN Bundle::install thing Next, I ran the script(make all) and noted all the rpms it could not find. I then Went to the DAG (weirs) Site http://dag.wieers.com/packages/ And downloaded any packages that the script said that were missing and dependencies that the rpms called for. Once all the packages were installed and the script completed successfully, I rebooted. At this point ldap seemed to consistantly fail. Go into the /etc/openldap/ldap.conf and delete the TLS entry. Then I start ldap, service ldap start. It then ran fine. Then continue on with david's directions on testing the install. THE THINGS THAT GOT ME 1. Firewall & SELinux , I shut them off. I'm not smart enough to get it to work through the firewall. 2. CUT & PASTE. One would think I would learn by now...DO NOT CUT AND PASTE. Doing this can sometimes introduce hidden formatting charactors that will hose you. Thanks to Derek Dresser for pointing that out. 3. The TLS thing being in the ldap.conf file. 4. Originally setting the file server up on a different network. I just couldn't seem to figure out how to combat that, soooo I reloaded on the network that it was going to be on and that cured many little issues. 5. Paying attention to were the smbldap tools are located and adjusting the script and or tools location to make it work. Hopefully this will help someone else with their install. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 2 13:11:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:11:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic regarding Fedora Core 3 Desktop install In-Reply-To: <1122986084.9433.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001501c59763$baa59f20$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > > 2. I suggested she check her AOL mail through the web interface for > > AOL. After she logs in, the page just hangs. Any idea what the > > problem is? > > I'm not sure why this doesn't work, but you get a free > gmail.com account and set it up to use pop with evolution or > any standard mailer. For what it is worth, I just logged into my K12LTSP server and checked a test aol account I have and it worked just fine. I was using firefox and I have all of the extras installed from the folder on root's desktop. So at least be confident that it can work. Also this is an install of K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre2 upgraded to pre3. Good luck -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 2 14:52:10 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:52:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic regarding Fedora Core 3 Desktop install Message-ID: <27443797.1122994330920.JavaMail.root@web2.mail.adelphia.net> Thanks Jim. I solved the AOL problem... it must have been a AOL issue. I still do not know how to get java running though. She wants to do online banking that requires the java plugin. I'm stumped! From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 2 15:10:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:10:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] compiling KTouch 1.5....I'm stuck...more info...check my=?ISO-8859-1?Q? log_?= file In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: Never mind....I did a more complete install of K12LTSP and selected the dev libraries.....it's now compiling....yay! I'll let you know how it works. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Aug 1 2005 at 21:25 +0000 wrote: >I've posted my config.log file here >http://www.vcsvikings.org/share/config.log (it's text so you should be >able to read in browser) to help indicate where the problem may >lie....problem is I cannot seem to figure it out. I could use some help. > >I'm trying to compile KTouch 1.5 from the sourceforge site so that >hopefully I can have the statistics back like the old version as I use >KTouch as a major part of my typing curriculum for 5th grade. Anyway...I >downloaded the source....untarred it....and began to run ./configure It >goes through and then ends with an error that "/lib/cpp failed sanity >check" I'm assuming that I don't have a C++ compiler installed correctly, >but am unsure as to where to go next. I'd appreciate any help...even wild >stabs in the dark. Also if anyone out there would like to build an RPM of >the newest KTouch version....we'd all be "wicked" appreciative! :-) > >The newest KTouch won't become part of KDEedu until KDE 3.5....I can't >wait that long :-( David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 2 15:21:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:21:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic regarding Fedora Core 3 Desktop install In-Reply-To: <27443797.1122994330920.JavaMail.root@web2.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <001a01c59775$ecc99990$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Thanks Jim. I solved the AOL problem... it must have been a > AOL issue. I still do not know how to get java running > though. She wants to do online banking that requires the > java plugin. I'm stumped! Did you try Les' suggestion? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 2 15:23:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:23:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] compiling KTouch 1.5....I'm stuck...more info...checkmy log file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001b01c59776$33286e70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Never mind....I did a more complete install of K12LTSP and > selected the dev libraries.....it's now compiling....yay! > I'll let you know how it works. So I gather this means that the update to KDE didn't fix Ktouch as Eric had hoped? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 2 15:31:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:31:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] compiling KTouch 1.5....I'm stuck...more=?ISO-8859-1?Q? info...checkmy ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? log_?= file In-Reply-To: <001b01c59776$33286e70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c59776$33286e70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Aug 2 2005 at 11:23 +0000 wrote: >So I gather this means that the update to KDE didn't fix Ktouch as Eric >had hoped? No but...it's wicked easy to install the update yourself....go to the ktouch sourceforge site.....download the 1.5 tarball.....untar it....go into the ktouch-1.5 directory....run ./configure....then run make......then run make install.....and voila! it's updated! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From kjetil at knudsen.gs Tue Aug 2 16:31:12 2005 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:31:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic when trying to installing k12ltsp 4.4.0 pre3 Message-ID: <20050802163112.8FF659E9E1@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 2 18:21:55 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:21:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PCI WiFi on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42EFB9C3.7070309@paasda.org> I did it with 4.0 wasn't too difficult...as long as you have a linux supported wireless card =) Frank Lee wrote: > Hi Folks, > > This may seem like a silly question, but... > > Has anyone had success with any particular PCI wireless card on K12LTSP > (Fedora)? > > I'm not looking to put this on a client, just a stand-alone box running the > k12ltsp distro, so I'm not worried about bandwith etc. B or G would be fine > for me. I just want to put this box on the net, where it is without > crawling through the drywall ;-) > > Thanks for your help. > > -F > From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 18:21:42 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:21:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Homework DropBox Idea In-Reply-To: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> References: <42E433CD.60004@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On 7/24/05, Liam Marshall wrote: > Here is what I have: I've moved to Moodle for handing in assignments. It takes care of everything for me, and students can hand it at home or at school. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Aug 2 19:24:54 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:24:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] advice on surplus hardware In-Reply-To: <42E96B45.5080209@hosef.org> References: <42E967C1.1000003@physics.isu.edu> <42E96B45.5080209@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Ben Nickell wrote: > > > Here are the specs. > > > > AT power supply > > P1 200 MMX processors > > 96mb of RAM in (6) 72pin SIMMS > > 3com 905-TX rev B 10/100 network cards with bootrom slot > > (Don't think it will PXE boot though, doesn't it have to be Rev C to > > PXE boot?) > > ATI 3d Rage II+ DVD video cards, video ram unknown. > > > > Does anyone have experience with this hardware? > > Yes, and it sound good. > > > > > To netboot those network cards, is the easiest way to purchase bootroms? > > You can DIY or make it a project > > http://www.hosef.org/wiki/EpromBurning > > or, companies like this sell them > > http://www.argontechnology.com/products.aspx?id=39 > > or, you can use a floppy. The Universal Boot Floppy should work. And if you choose to do this and don't need floppy support at the workstation, then just slide the floppy drive back into the computer and replace the blanker. Out of sight, out of mind. . . Doug > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Ben Nickell > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 2 20:28:37 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:28:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mp4 videos on K12LTSP-EL (help please) Message-ID: <42EFD775.3090700@stmarys-school.org> Hello, We have installed K12 EL and are in need of support for mp4 videos. We were given a subscription to Encylopedia Britanica on-line which includes a whole lot of multi media content. Our principal is very excited about this. I'd like to be able to provide as much multimeda as feasable to our K12 terminals. Before I go off and add Dag's repo to our sources list and try getting Mplayer running on K12-EL (Centos) would we be better off going with the Fedora based K12? I have had some problems with multi-media on my home install of K12-EL and am wondering if this is not the best distro for multimedia. Thanks, John From nbolton at ekacademy.org Tue Aug 2 20:02:40 2005 From: nbolton at ekacademy.org (Nate Bolton) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:02:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Las Vegas charter school moving to OSS (LTSP) Message-ID: <42EFD160.6090402@ekacademy.org> We are very excited to be moving this year from a school heavily dependent on MS to an OSS based school. To do this, we are looking to LTSP. As a charter school, we frown on text books as resources for learning and are learning to use technology instead. Instead of text books for every student, we need computers for every student. The best computers we can afford, unfortunately, are free computers. We have been collecting old computer donations from various charitable sources and we have set up a small lab with one LTSP server and 6 thin clients. Now we are ready to move to 120 thin clients and as many servers as we need. In fact, we will be meeting at our school building, located at Tropicana and Sandhill, on Thursday, August 4th, at 6pm to plan for the implementation of LTSP and other needed services. Anyone who would like to help us with advice or who may be interested in learning this for themselves are free to attend. We appreciate the help found in these lists. As we learn, we hope to be able to share our experience. If there is advice any of you can offer to a young school enveloping itself in the world of OSS, we will be very grateful to hear it. -- Nate Bolton Director of Information Technology Explore Knowledge Academy www.ekacademy.org From tuxnician at execulink.com Tue Aug 2 20:43:51 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:43:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello again Message-ID: <42EFDB07.5040409@execulink.com> Hi everyone, I hope you are enjoying the summer weather. I've been downloading the messages from this group but haven't had a chance to catch up. I was wondering if anyone on the list is interested in getting a Google Mail account. I have a few invitations that I don't need. Please email me at tuxnician at gmail.com Talk soon, Jason From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Aug 2 20:52:08 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:52:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More Samba/LDAP Difficulties Message-ID: <42EFDCF8.1060504@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I recently set up my shiny new Samba/LDAP server using Matt's script and am in the process of adding many, many machines to the domain. So far I've been able to add Windows XP and 2K machines with little or no difficulty, but I can't seem to get a Windows NT machine added. I get the message "The machine account for this computer either does not exists or is inaccessible." I've not had to manually add XP on 2K machines up to this point. I ran ./smbldap-useradd -w MachineName on the server, but still no joy. Does anyone have any suggestions? -- C-ya, Mark ____ The real name of the "I've fallen and I can't get up" lady is Edith Fore. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Aug 2 21:50:48 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:50:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mp4 videos on K12LTSP-EL (help please) In-Reply-To: <42EFD775.3090700@stmarys-school.org> References: <42EFD775.3090700@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Generally, getting any mpeg or other pantent encumbered formats working on RH/Fedora requires a third party download. The media players themselves work fine, but you need a codec package to allow them to do mpeg et el content. On Aug 2, 2005, at 3:28 PM, John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > We have installed K12 EL and are in need of support for mp4 videos. > We were given a subscription to Encylopedia Britanica on-line which > includes a whole lot of multi media content. Our principal is very > excited about this. I'd like to be able to provide as much > multimeda as feasable to our K12 terminals. > > Before I go off and add Dag's repo to our sources list and try > getting Mplayer running on K12-EL (Centos) would we be better off > going with the Fedora based K12? I have had some problems with > multi-media on my home install of K12-EL and am wondering if this > is not the best distro for multimedia. > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkLv6rgACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSdfgCbBnys/YJvGPvi+Iy3YsEatA5d 6fkAn0YqrPP9rTj2ZY2TY8nU/Ul/QaM3 =HD1X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue Aug 2 22:33:44 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:33:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OSCON K20 Gathering - Thursday, Aug. 4th Message-ID: <42EFF4C8.7070305@riverdale.k12.or.us> I'm forwarding this invite along to any interested in open source and education: From Thor: Seeing that the 2005 O'Reilly Open Source Conference (OSCON) is taking place this week in Portland, Oregon, it's a fitting occasion for an informal gathering of local educators (K12 and HigherEd) and open source software developers. It's a chance to meet, greet, and talk with others about the needs of education for customized open source solutions that can overcome the challenges faced in today's educational environment. Clarity Innovations will host the gathering with some pizza and a few pitchers of beer. We're hoping that this discussion will yield a number of possible open-source projects which can help technology better meet the needs of education. Join us this Thursday, August 4th, 5pm PDT at Old Town Pizza Co. (www.oldtownpizza.com) It's one block west from the Old Town/Chinatown MAX station in Fareless Square, just 15 minutes from the Oregon Convention Center (where OSCON is taking place). If you have any questions, please feel free to email Thor Prichard (tprichard at clarity-innovations.com). Also, given the last-minute nature of this announcement, please feel free to forward this to other like-minded individuals. Thank you! -- Yours in Cyberspace, R. Thor Prichard Clarity Innovations, Inc. Matching promising technologies with the needs of education. tprichard at clarity-innovations.com voice 877 683-3187 x15 fax 503 224-4987 www.clarity-innovations.com -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 3 01:12:20 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 15:12:20 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] compiling KTouch 1.5....I'm stuck...more info...checkmy log file In-Reply-To: <001b01c59776$33286e70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c59776$33286e70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42F019F4.5030703@hosef.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Never mind....I did a more complete install of K12LTSP and >>selected the dev libraries.....it's now compiling....yay! >>I'll let you know how it works. > > > So I gather this means that the update to KDE didn't fix Ktouch as Eric > had hoped? > Ktouch is running fine, with metrics and multi-language support, in 4.4 pre3. --scott From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 02:41:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:41:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] compiling KTouch 1.5....I'm stuck...more=?ISO-8859-1?Q? info...checkmy ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? log_?= file In-Reply-To: <42F019F4.5030703@hosef.org> References: <001b01c59776$33286e70$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <42F019F4.5030703@hosef.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Aug 2 2005 at 21:12 +0000 wrote: >Ktouch is running fine, with metrics and multi-language support, in 4.4 >pr You mean the lecture statistics and charts are working in the regular version? I'd be surprised as Andreas wasn't going to put them back in until version 1.6, but opted to do it with 1.5 since so many asked for it. That's not the version in 4.4....remember we're talking about charts and records that show how a student has done with a typing lesson. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 02:45:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:45:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More Samba/LDAP Difficulties In-Reply-To: <42EFDCF8.1060504@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42EFDCF8.1060504@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Aug 2 2005 at 16:52 +0000 wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions? d Yeah....upgrade! ;-) But seriously....if you do find a way to join the NT machines to the domain...let me know and I'll add it to the documentation. I just got the opportunity to pound on the new alpha version of smbldap-installer today....Matt and I will consult and I'm sure that soon I'll be rewriting the docs...so keep me posted. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 02:59:06 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:59:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lessons learned on smb/ldap setup in centos4 In-Reply-To: <42EF6FE6.1020404@msln.net> References: <42EF6FE6.1020404@msln.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Aug 2 2005 at 09:06 +0000 wrote: >THE THINGS THAT GOT ME >1. Firewall & SELinux , I shut them off. I'm not smart enough to get it >to work through the firewall. Don't bother....both are more hassle then it's worth....turn them off at install and simply make sure your server is behind a firewall. > >2. CUT & PASTE. One would think I would learn by now...DO NOT CUT AND >PASTE. Doing this can sometimes introduce hidden formatting charactors >that will hose you. Thanks to Derek Dresser for pointing that out. Actually this will work, but you need to make sure to check for a delete extra lines at the end of the file...and also saving more than once helps to cure extraneous line wrap issues. > >3. The TLS thing being in the ldap.conf file. Yes....skip this for now...Iim half-heartedly working on getting this working. I have an ACL piece to integrated that will make it a bit more secure, but it's a little while away > >4. Originally setting the file server up on a different network. I just >couldn't seem to figure out how to combat that, soooo I reloaded on the >network that it was going to be on and that cured many little issues. DNS issues will kill ya' (as the folks from Exeter learned when they moved the servers I set up last summer) ;-) Set it up where it will be living.... > >5. Paying attention to were the smbldap tools are located and adjusting >the script and or tools location to make it work. Yeah, but don't bother to write it down...the path of the executables has changed at least 4 times since I began working on all this....almost as frustrating as Samba....Samba changes constantly from one version to the next....the move from Samba 2.x to Samba 3 made it necessary for me to completely rewrite the how-to as they were two completely different animals. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 03:13:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:13:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian and SG blacklists...how to randomize? Message-ID: Ok...first the scenario....I use SME server 6.01 with the dungog-dansguardian module to run DG on my schools network. Prior to this more recent version of DansGuardian...I was able to use Eric's squidguard blacklists that he publicly exports via rsync to keep my blacklists up-to-date. Now, according to Stephen Noble (the guy who developed the dungog module)....the lists from Eric won't work right because they are not randomized in the way that DG requires....here is an excerpt from URLblacklists.com that might help explain better "When using the blacklist with DansGuardian the blacklist files are put in a random order as DansGuardian sorts them when it reads them into memory. The Quick Sort algorithm is very slow at sorting a sorted list hence why we do this." So....my question...any idea on how to randomize the blacklists from Eric? I'd be willing to do it and then host it or send it back to Eric for hosting. I just have no clue at this point how to do it....anyone? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 3 04:28:20 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:28:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot get flash-plugin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F047E4.1010104@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >Finally got the plugin....up2date now works. It was getting hung up in my >proxy server > > We ran into a problem doing updates through our SME box too. I now use an alternate gateway that does not go through the SME box. How did you fix the hang in your proxy? John From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 3 05:03:59 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian and SG blacklists...how to randomize? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, David Trask wrote: > So....my question...any idea on how to randomize the blacklists from Eric? > I'd be willing to do it and then host it or send it back to Eric for > hosting. I just have no clue at this point how to do it....anyone? It would be trivial for me to "unsort" the list and export it like I do the sorted list. But not tonight, my brain is too fried from a long day ;-) -Eric From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Aug 3 12:31:04 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:31:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PCI WiFi on K12LTSP Message-ID: <42F0B908.2060804@cox-internet.com> Frank, I have successfully used a D-Link G-520 pci card with Fedora 4 using the cvs version of Madwifi to drive the atheros chipset on the card. Works just fine. I have a script that will download the latest cvs version, compile and install it on your pc if it has a live Internet connection. I can send you the script if interested. Failing that I could send you a cdrom of the madwifi drivers for you to compile and install on your isolated pc. Check out the Seattle Wireless website for a table of compatible wireless cards. Not all cards from the same manufacturer use the same cards, so pay close attention to which card you are buying. For example: D-Link G-510 is not Atheros based, while G-520 is. You will want to use 802.11g cards if at all possible. The difference when transferring large files is quite noticeable. For just internet access 802.11b usingn a Prism-based is more than adequate and the Prism drivers are quite stable. The latest Linux Journal has an article on using the ndiswrapper to run wireless cards using their windows drivers. With it you can use just about any card whether its chipset is supported by Linux or not. It is written by Marcel Gagne so it is also entertaining to read. Dan From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Aug 3 12:46:13 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:46:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Madwifi script using current CVS source Message-ID: <42F0BC95.1050404@cox-internet.com> It occured to me that others might find this little script useful in compiling and installing current CVS madwifi source for wireless cards based on the Atheros chipset. ------------snip here-------------- #!/bin/bash # # update_madwifi.sh # # Assumes that you have kernel source with modules installed # plus CVS on target pc. cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/.config cd /cvs/src # Change to suit your setup rm -rf madwifi mkdir madwifi cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/madwifi co madwifi cd madwifi make make install From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 13:34:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:34:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian and SG blacklists...how to randomize? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Aug 3 2005 at 01:03 +0000 wrote: >On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, David Trask wrote: > >> So....my question...any idea on how to randomize the blacklists from >Eric? >> I'd be willing to do it and then host it or send it back to Eric for >> hosting. I just have no clue at this point how to do it....anyone? > >It would be trivial for me to "unsort" the list and export it like I do >the sorted list. > >But not tonight, my brain is too fried from a long day ;-) > >-Eric Eric....you da' man! Here's a script to help you out! :-) Wish I could say I wrote it, but I didn't....Got it from Stephen Noble in Dungog, Australia....and I think he originally got it from the DG site. Nonetheless, if you're able to randomize your lists...that'd be awesome as DG is so gawdawful slow at loading sorted lists it's not worth it, and many of us LOVE using your awesome list. I've been using it for years now. :-) Script below: #!/usr/bin/perl -w # randomize source file # lines are output in random order # reads from from stdin or arg0, writes to stdout or arg1 open (STDIN, $ARGV[0]) if (($ARGV[0] ne "") && ($ARGV[0] ne "-")); open (STDOUT, ">$ARGV[1]") if ($ARGV[1] ne ""); @list = ; while (@list) { $rand = rand (@list); print $list[$rand]; # for indexing rand is truncated splice @list, $rand, 1; # delete array element } David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinatort Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 13:37:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:37:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Whoops! Script usage-DansGuardian blacklists...how to randomize? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whoops! Usage for the script I posted below is (i named it random.pl as that's what they called it originally) ./random.pl sortedfile unsortedfile David Trask on Wed Aug 3 2005 at 09:34 +0000 wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wed Aug 3 2005 at 01:03 +0000 wrote: >On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, David Trask wrote: > >> So....my question...any idea on how to randomize the blacklists from >Eric? >> I'd be willing to do it and then host it or send it back to Eric for >> hosting. I just have no clue at this point how to do it....anyone? > >It would be trivial for me to "unsort" the list and export it like I do >the sorted list. > >But not tonight, my brain is too fried from a long day ;-) > >-Eric > >Eric....you da' man! > >Here's a script to help you out! :-) Wish I could say I wrote it, but >I didn't....Got it from Stephen Noble in Dungog, Australia....and I think >he originally got it from the DG site. Nonetheless, if you're able to >randomize your lists...that'd be awesome as DG is so gawdawful slow at >loading sorted lists it's not worth it, and many of us LOVE using your >awesome list. I've been using it for years now. :-) > >Script below: > >#!/usr/bin/perl -w > ># randomize source file ># lines are output in random order > ># reads from from stdin or arg0, writes to stdout or arg1 >open (STDIN, $ARGV[0]) if (($ARGV[0] ne "") && ($ARGV[0] ne "-")); >open (STDOUT, ">$ARGV[1]") if ($ARGV[1] ne ""); > >@list = ; > >while (@list) { > $rand = rand (@list); > print $list[$rand]; # for indexing rand is truncated > splice @list, $rand, 1; # delete array element >} David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 3 13:36:35 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] mp4 videos on K12LTSP-EL (help please) In-Reply-To: <42EFD775.3090700@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <20050803133635.62635.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe the xvid codec will play any mp4 videos. -Rob --- John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > We have installed K12 EL and are in need of support > for mp4 videos. We > were given a subscription to Encylopedia Britanica > on-line which > includes a whole lot of multi media content. Our > principal is very > excited about this. I'd like to be able to provide > as much multimeda as > feasable to our K12 terminals. > > Before I go off and add Dag's repo to our sources > list and try getting > Mplayer running on K12-EL (Centos) would we be > better off going with the > Fedora based K12? I have had some problems with > multi-media on my home > install of K12-EL and am wondering if this is not > the best distro for > multimedia. > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Aug 3 14:18:45 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 10:18:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles Message-ID: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> How does one shut off roaming profiles? I rem'ed out the stuff in the startup.bat file and commented out the [profiles] in the smb.conf. and that gives me an error message at the client that says a server copy of your roaming profile could not be located... How do I get rid of this? The wiring in this building stinks and syncing has been an issue, that's why I want to shut them off. Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 14:48:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 10:48:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> References: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Aug 3 2005 at 10:18 +0000 wrote: >How does one shut off roaming profiles? I rem'ed out the stuff in the >startup.bat file and commented out the [profiles] in the smb.conf. and >that gives me an error message at the client that says a server copy of >your roaming profile could not be located... How do I get rid of this? >The wiring in this building stinks and syncing has been an issue, that's >why I want to shut them off. >Thanks >Mark You need to tell the clients to stop using them....in XP...right-click on my computer and do it in there "Properties"....not sure on 2000 as all I have is XP pro. You can also try going into smbldap.conf and working with this section snip... # The UNC path to profiles locations without the username last extension # (will be dynamically prepended) # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\profiles\ # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon path' # directive and/or desabling roaming profiles userProfile="\\MIDNIGHT-PDC\profiles\" snip... Notice that it tells you how to disable it....let me know what you do (and what works) and I'll include it in the docs when I rewrite them. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From marksarria at socal.rr.com Wed Aug 3 14:56:03 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:56:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles References: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> Message-ID: <001e01c5983b$78573240$6401a8c0@digital1> In XP you can turn off roaming profiles using gpedit.msc, just type in the command in RUN and you will get an MMC console. You can also do this in windows 2000. The only problem is that you will need to do this to each computer. If you have imaging software you can create one image then send the Image to your other computers via network or install cd. --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gumprecht" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles > How does one shut off roaming profiles? I rem'ed out the stuff in the > startup.bat file and commented out the [profiles] in the smb.conf. and > that gives me an error message at the client that says a server copy of > your roaming profile could not be located... How do I get rid of this? > The wiring in this building stinks and syncing has been an issue, that's > why I want to shut them off. > Thanks > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Aug 3 14:59:04 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:59:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <001e01c5983b$78573240$6401a8c0@digital1> References: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> <001e01c5983b$78573240$6401a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> You could do what we do and exclude everything except for favourites from peoples profiles, that way it's really small so is less of an issue. Or alternatively you could us a login script to alter the location of the users shell folders so they are always on the server, thus no dragging about across a slow network. I can let you have detail if you like Brian Chivers Portsmouth College Mark Sarria wrote: > In XP you can turn off roaming profiles using gpedit.msc, just type in > the command in RUN and you will get an MMC console. You can also do this > in windows 2000. The only problem is that you will need to do this to > each computer. If you have imaging software you can create one image > then send the Image to your other computers via network or install cd. > > --mark > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gumprecht" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:18 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles > > >> How does one shut off roaming profiles? I rem'ed out the stuff in the >> startup.bat file and commented out the [profiles] in the smb.conf. and >> that gives me an error message at the client that says a server copy of >> your roaming profile could not be located... How do I get rid of this? >> The wiring in this building stinks and syncing has been an issue, that's >> why I want to shut them off. >> Thanks >> Mark >> >> -- >> Mark Gumprecht >> Data Systems Specialist >> MSAD3 >> Unity, ME >> gumprechtm at msln.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 3 15:02:48 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:02:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> <001e01c5983b$78573240$6401a8c0@digital1> <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <587BB609-4BF5-4165-BD1B-03BCB1B174C2@inlandlakes.org> On Aug 3, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Brian Chivers wrote: > I can let you have detail if you like Please. :) Inquiring minds (that aren't familiar with the nuances of windows) want to know... Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us Wed Aug 3 15:11:49 2005 From: anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us (Anthony A. Luscre) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:11:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem! Terminals Not Connecting, DHCP ? In-Reply-To: <42E4EC8D.4030107@gwi.net> References: <42E4EC8D.4030107@gwi.net> Message-ID: <42F0DEB5.10202@mogadore.net> I have taken an existing LTSP lab and reformatted and reinstalled 4.4.0 per 3 with builds from Monday. The Eth-1 network is working OK and I can get out to internet from the server. The problem is on the ETH0 side. When I turn on a terminal it starts normally until it gets to point requesting dchp from server. It never logs into server and eventually times out. I have tried a complete reinstall of 4.4.0 pre 3 on server and I have tried manually stopping and starting the following services: network nat iptables dhcp. Is there anything in the dhcp.conf file that I need to edit? Any other ideas? (I don't suspect hardware because I logged in from terminals with old version of LTSP just minutesw before the reinstall). -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/portal_pages.html From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 3 15:26:07 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:26:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian and SG blacklists...how to randomize? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F0E20F.8000705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Aug 3 2005 at 01:03 +0000 wrote: > >>On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, David Trask wrote: >> >> >>>So....my question...any idea on how to randomize the blacklists from >> >>Eric? >> >>>I'd be willing to do it and then host it or send it back to Eric for >>>hosting. I just have no clue at this point how to do it....anyone? >> >>It would be trivial for me to "unsort" the list and export it like I do >>the sorted list. >> >>But not tonight, my brain is too fried from a long day ;-) >> >>-Eric > > > Eric....you da' man! > Here you go... In your script, change "::filtering" to "::filtering-dg" sorted list: rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET randomized list: rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering-dg $TARGET -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Aug 3 15:25:15 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:25:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> <001e01c5983b$78573240$6401a8c0@digital1> <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <42F0E1DB.4060104@msln.net> I would be very interested. THANKS Mark Brian Chivers wrote: > You could do what we do and exclude everything except for favourites > from peoples profiles, that way it's really small so is less of an issue. > > Or alternatively you could us a login script to alter the location of > the users shell folders so they are always on the server, thus no > dragging about across a slow network. > > I can let you have detail if you like > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >> In XP you can turn off roaming profiles using gpedit.msc, just type >> in the command in RUN and you will get an MMC console. You can also >> do this in windows 2000. The only problem is that you will need to do >> this to each computer. If you have imaging software you can create >> one image then send the Image to your other computers via network or >> install cd. >> >> --mark >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gumprecht" >> >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:18 AM >> Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles >> >> >>> How does one shut off roaming profiles? I rem'ed out the stuff in the >>> startup.bat file and commented out the [profiles] in the smb.conf. and >>> that gives me an error message at the client that says a server copy of >>> your roaming profile could not be located... How do I get rid of this? >>> The wiring in this building stinks and syncing has been an issue, >>> that's >>> why I want to shut them off. >>> Thanks >>> Mark >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Gumprecht >>> Data Systems Specialist >>> MSAD3 >>> Unity, ME >>> gumprechtm at msln.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 17:03:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:03:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian and SG blacklists...how to randomize? In-Reply-To: <42F0E20F.8000705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: < > < > <42F0E20F.8000705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: You ROCK! I'll let you know how it works David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 17:05:52 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:05:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> < > <001e01c5983b$78573240$6401a8c0@digital1> <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >You could do what we do and exclude everything except for favourites from >peoples profiles, that way >it's really small so is less of an issue. > >Or alternatively you could us a login script to alter the location of the >users shell folders so >they are always on the server, thus no dragging about across a slow >network. > >I can let you have detail if you like Yes...definitely....I can include it as a whole section in the upcoming revisions of the Samba/LDAP docs with credit to you of course! :-) In fact, Brian, if you can send me the original doc if you type it somewhere other than just the email. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Wed Aug 3 17:13:08 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:13:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: References: <42F0D245.3030308@msln.net> < > <001e01c5983b$78573240$6401a8c0@digital1> <42F0DBB8.70604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050803131308.cjlrtwzwsitcw4ck@webmail> If you look back on the list a ways you can see how I do it using the startup.bat and mydoc.reg file. I believe Brian is using a Kix script to do it?? -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting David Trask : > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: >> You could do what we do and exclude everything except for favourites from >> peoples profiles, that way >> it's really small so is less of an issue. >> >> Or alternatively you could us a login script to alter the location of the >> users shell folders so >> they are always on the server, thus no dragging about across a slow >> network. >> >> I can let you have detail if you like > > > Yes...definitely....I can include it as a whole section in the upcoming > revisions of the Samba/LDAP docs with credit to you of course! :-) In > fact, Brian, if you can send me the original doc if you type it somewhere > other than just the email. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 20:06:18 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:06:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare Message-ID: <080320052006.12260.42F123BA0004CF1700002FE422058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I have setup an LDAP server using Matt's (and David's) scripts. I can add users, and my XP systems can join the domain. BUT .... I can't login using any of the LDAP accounts on any system, including the Linux system. Running su USERNAME as root returns unknown user. So, something in the authentication isn't working, but I have no idea what it might be. I have checked authconfig and the system is set to use LDAP for authentication. I can login on the XP systems using either root or administrator (which is defined in the smbusers file). Also, ls -l on /home shows the numeric id's, not the username or group names for all the accounts. e.g. juser is user id 510, group is Domain Users, gid 513. The directory is listed as 510 513 juser , not juser Domain Users juser. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It has to be some simple config setting, but I am not finding it. Thanks, Dave Hopkins From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 3 20:43:11 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:43:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <080320052006.12260.42F123BA0004CF1700002FE422058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004201c5986b$f6bcfb30$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. It has to be some > simple config setting, but I am not finding it. I know this is minimal help, but, have you restarted the system since the installation? I know I keep seeing where a reboot is needed. On a side note, I think I almost have Webmin working for complete user management. I just need to do some more testing. Addition single or bulk, deletion single or bulk, modification, groups, quotas, etc. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 20:46:20 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:46:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare Message-ID: <080320052046.17476.42F12D1B000DA8E20000444422070210539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Jim, I have stopped/restarted the ldap/smb/nscd services several times. I just discovered that if I stop the nscd process, then for root (and only root), the uid/gid mappings resolve for /home. I can then also su - some_user and the login works, but I get a message about not resolving the uid/gid still. So ... is it some authorization issue in sladp.conf? In the meantime, I will completely stop/restart the server, just to be sure. Fantastic news about Webmin. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. It has to be some > > simple config setting, but I am not finding it. > > I know this is minimal help, but, have you restarted the system since > the installation? I know I keep seeing where a reboot is needed. > > On a side note, I think I almost have Webmin working for complete user > management. I just need to do some more testing. Addition single or > bulk, deletion single or bulk, modification, groups, quotas, etc. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 3 21:01:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:01:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <080320052046.17476.42F12D1B000DA8E20000444422070210539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004301c5986e$81ad4d10$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > In the meantime, I will completely stop/restart the server, > just to be sure. I think at least one full system reboot is needed to tell the server itself to authenticate to the local LDAP server and not the local unix accounts. Until then things are stupid. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 21:01:59 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:01:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare Message-ID: <080320052101.16567.42F130C70000545D000040B722058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> An some more info. If I comment out ALL access control statements in slapd.conf and also stop nscd, then logins with ldap accounts work. BUT this can't be good. And given that I don't have TLS active, I am probably just begging for trouble if I leave the system this way. I would at least like to have some access control on the ldap database. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Jim, > > I have stopped/restarted the ldap/smb/nscd services several times. I just > discovered that if I stop the nscd process, then for root (and only root), the > uid/gid mappings resolve for /home. I can then also su - some_user and the > login works, but I get a message about not resolving the uid/gid still. So ... > is it some authorization issue in sladp.conf? > > In the meantime, I will completely stop/restart the server, just to be sure. > > Fantastic news about Webmin. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. It has to be some > > > simple config setting, but I am not finding it. > > > > I know this is minimal help, but, have you restarted the system since > > the installation? I know I keep seeing where a reboot is needed. > > > > On a side note, I think I almost have Webmin working for complete user > > management. I just need to do some more testing. Addition single or > > bulk, deletion single or bulk, modification, groups, quotas, etc. > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dbm at us.ibm.com Wed Aug 3 21:16:34 2005 From: dbm at us.ibm.com (Dave Murray) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:16:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dave Murray/Rochester/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 08/03/2005 and will not return until 08/08/2005. I will be out of the office and will not be checking messages. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 21:34:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:34:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <080320052101.16567.42F130C70000545D000040B722058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <080320052101.16567.42F130C70000545D000040B722058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 5:01 PM +0000 wrote: >An some more info. If I comment out ALL access control statements in >slapd.conf and also stop nscd, then logins with ldap accounts work. BUT >this can't be good. And given that I don't have TLS active, I am probably >just begging for trouble if I leave the system this way. I would at >least like to have some access control on the ldap database. > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins Ok...now I'm confused. You say you used Matt's and my script, but then you mention about commenting out the ACL stuff in slapd.conf. Unless you modified it....it was already commented out. We have not yet implemented the ACL stuff yet, I have a working prototype, but Matt has not yet integrated it and we have not tested it. As for security...you're no worse off than you were previously...it's still reasonably secure. I've been using it that way for a couple years now. You should not expose your Samba/LDAP server to the outside world via the Internet....so long as you're behind a firewall....your fine for now. If you want to visit the IDEALX.org site and read up about it...you can implement TLS and so forth, but it's NOT for the faint of heart. I looked at it initially and finally decided that there comes a point where I have to draw a line between how secure I want to be and how hard I want to work. :-) Keep a good backup of /home and /profiles and you'll be pretty safe. :-) We'll work on getting the ACL's in place....but for now...don't fret. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 21:36:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:36:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <004301c5986e$81ad4d10$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004301c5986e$81ad4d10$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 5:01 PM +0000 wrote: >I think at least one full system reboot is needed to tell the server >itself to authenticate to the local LDAP server and not the local unix >accounts. Until then things are stupid. I belive it's PAM that needs to initialize....hence the need for the reboot. Also....Jim...when you finish the Webmin piece....share! We may be able to include it in the smbldap-installer package or at least put it in the docs. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 3 21:38:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:38:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <004301c5986e$81ad4d10$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1123105081.4537.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 16:36, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 5:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >I think at least one full system reboot is needed to tell the server > >itself to authenticate to the local LDAP server and not the local unix > >accounts. Until then things are stupid. > > I belive it's PAM that needs to initialize....hence the need for the > reboot. I haven't set this up myself but since several people have mentioned not being able to log in at all I assume that the scripts only allow LDAP authentication when installed. Wouldn't it be safer to continue to accept password file authentication, at least until a final step when you are sure LDAP is working? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 21:54:45 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:54:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare Message-ID: <080320052154.23456.42F13D25000CD09200005BA022058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 5:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >An some more info. If I comment out ALL access control statements in > >slapd.conf and also stop nscd, then logins with ldap accounts work. BUT > >this can't be good. And given that I don't have TLS active, I am probably > >just begging for trouble if I leave the system this way. I would at > >least like to have some access control on the ldap database. > > > >Sincerely, > >Dave Hopkins > > Ok...now I'm confused. You say you used Matt's and my script, but then > you mention about commenting out the ACL stuff in slapd.conf. Unless you > modified it....it was already commented out. We have not yet implemented > the ACL stuff yet, I have a working prototype, but Matt has not yet > integrated it and we have not tested it. As for security...you're no > worse off than you were previously...it's still reasonably secure. I've > been using it that way for a couple years now. You should not expose your > Samba/LDAP server to the outside world via the Internet....so long as > you're behind a firewall....your fine for now. If you want to visit the > IDEALX.org site and read up about it...you can implement TLS and so forth, > but it's NOT for the faint of heart. I looked at it initially and finally > decided that there comes a point where I have to draw a line between how > secure I want to be and how hard I want to work. :-) Keep a good backup > of /home and /profiles and you'll be pretty safe. :-) > > We'll work on getting the ACL's in place....but for now...don't fret. > I had a working Samba/LDAP (based on Samba 2.2.x) with ACL's already in place and cut/pasted them onto my slapd.conf file since this was supposed to be a simple move to Samba 3 (simple, yea?). This is part of the problem apparently. It may have something to do with SELinux in Fedora core 4. However, the nscd still has me a little confused, but ... since my understanding is that this just speeds up the search, it isn't going to kill me at present. I also had TLS working, but have forgotten how I did so (it has been two years) Anyhow, at present, I will live with the security issues. Thanks for the encouragement and experience with running 'wide open'. Thanks again. Dave Hopkins From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 23:06:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:06:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP ACL stuff....test it out for me..and help out as well Message-ID: Hi all, Located here http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/ACL-Stuff/smbldap-ACL-how-to.pdf and here http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/ACL-Stuff/smbldap-ACL-how-to.sxw is a quick doc I threw together with some ACL stuff I had been working on last spring. I documented what I did in this doc...it worked quite well before, but I haven't tried it since. Last time I tried it was with a K12LTSP 4.2 system (FC3) and an earlier version of the smbldap-installer. I haven't had a chance to "bang on it", but would love it if some of you would. Give it a try, but NOT on a PRODUCTION SYSTEM as you will most certainly hose it! Use a sandbox.....what I normally use is a sandbox (usually a regular desktop PC) and a Windows machine or two connected to the sandbox as kind of a private LAN so I can test the domain and changing Windows passwords....profiles...etc....without messing with the rest of my network. Maybe...with your help and ideas...we can get something working that can easily be easily be dropped in on your existing system or at least put into the smbldap-installer script so we can have something in place for the start of the school year. No promises, but I'd sure like you all to give it a try and see how it works for you....etc. Keep me (and everyone else) posted on your failures and successes....and once again....DO NOT try this on a PRODUCTION system! Thanks in advance for your help! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 23:09:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:09:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <1123105081.4537.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <004301c5986e$81ad4d10$0178060a@winonacotter.org> < > <1123105081.4537.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 5:38 PM +0000 wrote: >I haven't set this up myself but since several people have mentioned not >being able to log in at all I assume that the scripts only allow LDAP >authentication when installed. Wouldn't it be safer to continue to >accept password file authentication, at least until a final step when >you are sure LDAP is working? It does...but if the user is only an LDAP user....there is no password in the regular password file. If you have system users...then sure... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 3 23:14:01 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:14:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian and SG blacklists...how to randomize? In-Reply-To: <42F0E20F.8000705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: < > < > <42F0E20F.8000705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: It officially works! I have made the change to the script and will let Stephen know too. DansGuardian (the newer versions) require a randomized list as it gets all confused with trying to read a sorted list and the start up time slows to an absolute crawl....(in fact I got tired of waiting). With the randomized lists....it works fine. DG sorts the list out on it's own when it loads. Thanks Eric! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 11:26 AM +0000 wrote: >Here you go... > >In your script, change "::filtering" to "::filtering-dg" > >sorted list: > > rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET > >randomized list: > > rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering-dg $TARGET > > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 02:12:41 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:42:41 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem! Terminals Not Connecting, DHCP ? In-Reply-To: <42F0DEB5.10202@mogadore.net> References: <42E4EC8D.4030107@gwi.net> <42F0DEB5.10202@mogadore.net> Message-ID: <774593a2050803191218a0179d@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, Anthony A. Luscre wrote: > I have taken an existing LTSP lab and reformatted and reinstalled 4.4.0 > per 3 with builds from Monday. > The Eth-1 network is working OK and I can get out to internet from the > server. > > The problem is on the ETH0 side. When I turn on a terminal it starts > normally until it gets to point requesting dchp from server. It never > logs into server and eventually times out. Is SELINUX disabled? For the moment disable IPTABLES also. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 4 02:59:01 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:59:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] migrating machine accounts to new server Message-ID: <20050803195901.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a03d614607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 4 03:43:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:43:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] migrating machine accounts to new server In-Reply-To: <20050803195901.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a03d614607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050803195901.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a03d614607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 10:59 PM +0000 wrote: >Has anyone tried to migrate machine (computer) accounts from an old >server to a new one? Is this possible? I hate to have to go around and >have 500 xp boxes rejoin the new domain controller. I am replacing an >older redhat server with a new one. Not an answer to your question, but if you have 500 XP machines then you need to get some sort of deployment/management solution. I use Deployment Server from Altiris....it allows me to change configurations on all my XP machines "en masse"....couple of clicks and I'm done....all the machines in my building! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 4 03:42:59 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:42:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] migrating machine accounts to new server Message-ID: <20050803204259.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.87b1eafc71.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Aug 4 09:56:11 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:56:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] migrating machine accounts to new server In-Reply-To: <20050803195901.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a03d614607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050803195901.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a03d614607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <42F1E63B.4070106@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Has anyone tried to migrate machine (computer) accounts from an old > server to a new one? Is this possible? I hate to have to go around and > have 500 xp boxes rejoin the new domain controller. I am replacing an > older redhat server with a new one. > > > Thanks, > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I tried (you might guess what's coming next) to migrate all my machine accounts from a Samba 2.2.x system using smbpasswd backend to our new system. I used the pdbedit command to transfer everything from the smbpasswd backend into the LDAP and it looked OK but a test machine couldn't login, so I looked and it appeared that the even through I'd set the SID the same on both server the last 5 digit's which I presume are the unique identifier for the machine we different, after looking at the old system I thought I'd worked out that the last 5 digits were actually based on the machines account UID so I altered all the SID's stored in the LDAP computers group to reflect this using a bit of scripting and one the test machine it seemed OK, tried another machine and it seemed OK BUT when I rolledi t out across college (500 + Win2K boxes) it all went to badly wrong. The long and the short of it is that we're now visiting all the machines and rejoining them to the domain !!!! I think if your using the same backend eg old server = LDAP and new server = LDAP you'd be OK is you did a dump of the LDAP and then imported it to the new server. You'd also have to set the SID's to the same value on both servers. I'd be tempted to set this BEFORE I ran the installer script, that way you don't have to alter anything in all the scripts such as smbldap-useradd etc. If you want to know how to set the SID let me know, it's really really easy. My advice if you can do this is to build the server, setup a isolated test network and TEST TEST TEST with quite a few machine off your existing network, you can't have two servers on the same network with identical SID's, not sure what would happen but I think it would be bad *grin* Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Aug 4 11:37:50 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:37:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <080320052154.23456.42F13D25000CD09200005BA022058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <080320052154.23456.42F13D25000CD09200005BA022058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42F1FE0E.3070204@msln.net> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >I had a working Samba/LDAP (based on Samba 2.2.x) with ACL's already in place and cut/pasted them onto my slapd.conf file since this was supposed to be a simple move to Samba 3 (simple, yea?). This is part of the problem apparently. > I remember reading somewhere that there was a change to the samba.schema between 2.2 and 3.X, Could cause some issues > It may have something to do with SELinux in Fedora core 4. However, the nscd still has me a little confused, but ... since my understanding is that this just speeds up the search, it isn't going to kill me at present. > > I could not get SE linux to play nicely at all, even in warn setting Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us Thu Aug 4 12:18:57 2005 From: anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us (Anthony A. Luscre) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:18:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem! Terminals Not Connecting, DHCP ? In-Reply-To: <774593a2050803191218a0179d@mail.gmail.com> References: <42E4EC8D.4030107@gwi.net> <42F0DEB5.10202@mogadore.net> <774593a2050803191218a0179d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F207B1.50800@mogadore.net> Sudev Barar wrote: >On 8/3/05, Anthony A. Luscre wrote: > > >>I have taken an existing LTSP lab and reformatted and reinstalled 4.4.0 >>per 3 with builds from Monday. >>The Eth-1 network is working OK and I can get out to internet from the >>server. >> >>The problem is on the ETH0 side. When I turn on a terminal it starts >>normally until it gets to point requesting dchp from server. It never >>logs into server and eventually times out. >> >> > >Is SELINUX disabled? For the moment disable IPTABLES also. >HTH > > I disabled SELINUX during the second installation. -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.summit.k12.oh.us/portal_pages.html From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 4 13:18:02 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:18:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] migrating machine accounts to new server Message-ID: <20050804061802.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3fb8aef4fc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 4 13:48:30 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:48:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <42F1FE0E.3070204@msln.net> References: <080320052154.23456.42F13D25000CD09200005BA022058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <42F1FE0E.3070204@msln.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 7:37 AM +0000 wrote: >I remember reading somewhere that there was a change to the samba.schema >between 2.2 and 3.X, Could cause some issues Huge! Don't even bother...start fresh. I bangedmy head against the wall for 2 weeks last summer rewriting the how-to from my original based on 2.x that I finally scrapped EVERYTHING and started fresh. Lucky for you, Matt and I have done that for you :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Aug 4 14:01:23 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:01:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Synaptic problem Message-ID: <1123164083.16349.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, Recently we setup Censornet on our network to filter things. It's working great! However, since that has been setup I have been unable to update through Synaptic on our K12LTSP server (FC3). I've entered in the proxy information, and when I click "Reload" it will "hit" some of them, but others it fails with a "302 Redirect". Any help someone could give me would be great. Anyone else running behind an authenticated proxy? GAIM, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc all work fine. Only Synaptic has an issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Calvin Park Systems Administrator Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 4 16:05:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:05:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp-4.4.0-pre2 with samba/ldap after yum upgrade to pre3 Message-ID: <000001c5990e$61942da0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> I keep breaking the PDC portion of my sandbox in all my messing around. I am not sure what is causing my breakage but I think it may be after a yum upgrade to get to pre3. I am going to rebuild the box right now (again) and see if this proves consistant. Oh, this is a fresh install of k12ltsp-4.4.0-pre2 with version 2-alpha of Dave and Matt's installer. I don't expect any suggestions here, just more of a heads up. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 8/3/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Thu Aug 4 16:14:41 2005 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:14:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] migrating machine accounts to new server In-Reply-To: <20050803195901.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a03d614607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050803195901.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a03d614607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <42F23EF1.9020907@lsd.k12.mi.us> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Has anyone tried to migrate machine (computer) accounts from an old > server to a new one? Is this possible? I hate to have to go around and > have 500 xp boxes rejoin the new domain controller. I am replacing an > older redhat server with a new one. > > > We have successfully done samba 3 to samba 3 migrations including the machine accounts albeit the manual way (with success defined as being able to walk up to a windows 2000 box that had been previously joined to the domain and have it log on with no changes on the workstation). Just for simplicity I'll attach the openoffice doc that was created to let our other admins know what the process was. This assumes that nothing on the network changes (ip structure, domain name, server hostname etc.) except for a fresh linux/samba installation. I mentioned this on the samba list when we were dealing with it a few months ago and John Terpstra mentioned that he'd be adding a section to the samab howto on the subject. Haven't check to see if it's there yet. I will note that we were using the smbpasswd passdb backend when we migrated. If you are using tdbsam it will undoubtedly change some things though it may only be in what file you need to move/merge/migrate. Anyway, FWIW the attached tells how we did it. I haven't changed the doc from what was distributed when we did it so you'll just have to ignore items that are specific to our situation (ip ranges, usersync users etc.). We did this on about 20 servers. It isn't as bad as it may look. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. -Nigel Cunningham (lkml) -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: samba3_migration.txt URL: From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Aug 4 17:13:34 2005 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:13:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Freedom Day - 11th September Message-ID: <1123175614.5144.189.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Apologies for cross-posting, but please spread the word! Best regards, John Ingleby ************ -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Henrik Nilsen Omma Subject: Ubuntu and Software Freedom Day Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:54:52 +0100 Hello LoCo Teams and other Ubuntu fans, September 10th is international Software Freedom Day [1], which is a global celebration of free and open source software (FOSS). Ubuntu already plays a central role in the event in that the official CD distributed by teams around the world (TheOpenCD v3) contains a Live CD based on Hoary [2]. Canonical has sponsored the SFD server and production of the CDs. Various Ubuntu team members are also directly involved in the event. Mako and I are on the governing board of SFD and Jeff is involved in organising Australian teams. Community support is vital in developing a superb OS (testing, documentation, MOTUs, etc.), but development is only half the job. To encourage people to use free OSes such as Ubuntu and its derivatives, we must also engage in promotion. In theory it should be an easy sell: we have a great system that we are giving away for free! However, the marketing resources spent on promoting proprietary systems are vast and will only increase with the pre-hype around Vista. We have the opportunity of using a distributed marketing model though, and directly engaging people. I'm sure all of you are already spreading the word amongst friends, but it is also possible to reach larger groups of local people through organised events. SFD is a nice opportunity for LoCo teams to join with other FOSS advocates and create some real momentum on a specific day. It is conceived of as a broad initiative of free and open source software advocates, reaching across distributions, projects, operating systems and continents! We have teams registered in places like Nepal, Burundi, Peru and Bangladesh, in addition to the more traditionally high tech regions of Europe and North America. Many teams already have plans well under way, so if there is one in your area, you might want to hook up with them to see how you can help. If not, you can easily start a team in your area any time. Check the SFD forum and wiki for existing teams [3]. We've had over 200 team registrations so far and we are sure that at least 100 of these will stage outreach events on the day. I'm sure many of you will have ordered and received official Ubuntu CDs already. If you still have some left on Sept. 10th you might want to meet up with a local team and hand them out :) - Henrik [1] http://softwarefreedomday.org/ [2] http://www.theopencd.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=68&Itemid=1 [3] http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Team_Pages From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Thu Aug 4 19:06:43 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:06:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with win2000 joining a samba/ldap domain Message-ID: I cannot seem to get a windows 2000 machine to join the ldap/samba domain. I get the following error: the specified domain either does not exist or could not be contacted. I can ping the server and I can even see it in network neighborhood. Any ideas? Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Aug 4 20:18:05 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:18:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with win2000 joining a samba/ldap domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F277FD.10701@msln.net> Have you added the machine to smb/ldap with #> smbldap-useradd -w {machine_name} Without the brackets and proper machine name of course? Mark Randall Swift wrote: >I cannot seem to get a windows 2000 machine to join the ldap/samba domain. >I get the following error: the specified domain either does not exist or >could not be contacted. I can ping the server and I can even see it in >network neighborhood. Any ideas? Thanks > >Randy Swift >Network Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From big at santaz.dk Thu Aug 4 22:39:28 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:39:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a smbldap server with a linux machine Message-ID: <42F29920.9080107@santaz.dk> Hi i have successfully installed the smbldap script on my fedora-core-3 I can join and login from win2k/xp I want to login from a linux machine too, a gentoo box any ideas ??? Cheers Jesper Berth Denmark From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 22:52:27 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:52:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP login nightmare In-Reply-To: <42F1FE0E.3070204@msln.net> References: <080320052154.23456.42F13D25000CD09200005BA022058863609C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <42F1FE0E.3070204@msln.net> Message-ID: <42F29C2B.5050203@comcast.net> Mark Gumprecht wrote: >dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > >>I had a working Samba/LDAP (based on Samba 2.2.x) with ACL's already in place and cut/pasted them onto my slapd.conf file since this was supposed to be a simple move to Samba 3 (simple, yea?). This is part of the problem apparently. >> >> >> >I remember reading somewhere that there was a change to the samba.schema >between 2.2 and 3.X, Could cause some issues > > > >>It may have something to do with SELinux in Fedora core 4. However, the nscd still has me a little confused, but ... since my understanding is that this just speeds up the search, it isn't going to kill me at present. >> >> >> >> >I could not get SE linux to play nicely at all, even in warn setting > >Mark > > > The issue isn't related to Samba 2.2 vs 3.x, although the new samba schema has caused issues with trying to use Webmin to manage the directory. I have a complete new install (thanks to David and Matt). It is something to do with permissions in slapd.conf and a possible issue with SE Linux and nscd. For now, I removed any explicit attempts at setting acls in slapd.conf and disabled nscd. So ... it works, and I will troubleshoot it further as time permits. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 4 22:55:04 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:55:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem Message-ID: <20050804155504.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.622c71f3fd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 22:55:58 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:55:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with win2000 joining a samba/ldap domain In-Reply-To: <42F277FD.10701@msln.net> References: <42F277FD.10701@msln.net> Message-ID: <42F29CFE.5070002@comcast.net> With Samba 3, you should be able to join the domain without having to explicitly add the systems at the server (it works like a real Windows PDC :) ) although adding it explicitly won't hurt anything. However, make sure you have the Samba PDC set as the WINS server on the system that you are trying to join the domain from. This fixed the issue for me. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Mark Gumprecht wrote: >Have you added the machine to smb/ldap with >#> smbldap-useradd -w {machine_name} >Without the brackets and proper machine name of course? >Mark > >Randall Swift wrote: > > > >>I cannot seem to get a windows 2000 machine to join the ldap/samba domain. >>I get the following error: the specified domain either does not exist or >>could not be contacted. I can ping the server and I can even see it in >>network neighborhood. Any ideas? Thanks >> >>Randy Swift >>Network Administrator >>Leavitt Area High School >>Turner, Maine 04282 >>(207)225-3533 >>swift at msad52.k12.me.us >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Aug 4 23:21:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:21:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem Message-ID: <200508050138.j751cu318391@downeast.net> shouldnt it be smbpasswd -w secret
I know that this is going to seem quite simple, but for some reason > this stumps me over and over. When I am setting up samba as a > PDC, I use the command "smbpasswd -a root" to use the root account as > the account to allow windoze machines to join the domain. I am > using the create machine account script in smb.conf to auto add the > machine account to samba. When I try the first one, I get the > message that the username or password is invalid. Can someone > tell me what I am missing?
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> > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 4 23:43:51 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:43:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem Message-ID: <20050804164351.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.af97c50220.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 5 00:01:07 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:01:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Where did teacher tool get filed. Message-ID: <42F2AC43.3000802@elp.rr.com> I replaced hard drives and reinstalled k12ltsp. The locate command says it can't find teacher tool. Where is it filed or do I need to install it separately? I'm currently using 4.2 Thanks Pat From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Aug 4 23:57:31 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:57:31 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem Message-ID: <200508050215.j752FD323428@downeast.net> no i dont.. >
Don't you put the account, ie root in the command somewhere??
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Subject: Re: > [K12OSN] samba admin account problem
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shouldnt it be smbpasswd > -w secret
I know that this is going to seem quite simple, > but for some reason
> this stumps me over and over. When I > am setting up samba as a
> PDC, I use the command "smbpasswd -a > root" to use the root account as
> the account to allow windoze > machines to join the domain. I am
> using the create > machine account script in smb.conf to auto add the
> machine > account to samba. When I try the first one, I get the
> > message that the username or password is invalid. Can > someone
> tell me what I am missing?

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Thanks so much,

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> > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Fri Aug 5 00:35:16 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:35:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with win2000 joining a samba/ldap domain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F2B444.1020308@physics.isu.edu> Randall Swift wrote: > I cannot seem to get a windows 2000 machine to join the ldap/samba domain. > I get the following error: the specified domain either does not exist or > could not be contacted. I can ping the server and I can even see it in > network neighborhood. Any ideas? Thanks > You don't mention your version of samba but with Samba 2.2.x I get this error unless I change some registry entries or change some settings in gpedit.msc on the windows clients to get them to join the domain. You can google for Require Sign or Seal. I don't think this is required for Samba 3, but maybe someone else can confirm this. Ben Nickell From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Aug 5 02:11:29 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:11:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Where did teacher tool get filed. In-Reply-To: <42F2AC43.3000802@elp.rr.com> References: <42F2AC43.3000802@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <42F2CAD1.60802@stmarys-school.org> /usr/sbin/TeacherTool John P. Conlon wrote: > I replaced hard drives and reinstalled k12ltsp. The locate command > says it can't find teacher tool. Where is it filed or do I need to > install it separately? > I'm currently using 4.2 > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 5 02:33:35 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:33:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem Message-ID: <20050804193335.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.15415f7bc1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 5 03:01:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:01:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem (from David T) In-Reply-To: <20050804155504.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.622c71f3fd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050804155504.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.622c71f3fd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:55 PM +0000 wrote: >I know that this is going to seem quite simple, but for some reason this >stumps me over and over. When I am setting up samba as a PDC, I use the >command "smbpasswd -a root" to use the root account as the account to >allow windoze machines to join the domain. I am using the create machine >account script in smb.conf to auto add the machine account to samba. >When I try the first one, I get the message that the username or password >is invalid. Can someone tell me what I am missing? > > >Thanks so much, Two things that may have gotten you...one is...did you run smbldap-populate ?a root the second is....and the biggest gotcha is commenting out #root=administrator admin in the /etc/samba/smbusers file Read below for more info....this file can be found as part of the smbldap-installer script (which you should be using if you want to make life a lot easier)....or at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ If using K12LTSP 4.4 beta...get the latest smbldap-installer (version 2) at Matt's site http://majen.net/smbldap/ This is cut from my Samba/LDAP how-to.... *snip* Step 12: Populating the database Now we need to populate the data (ldif). This is easy to do....simply type smbldap-populate Note: In later versions of smbldap-tools the preferred method is to run smbldap-populate ?a root Note: if you do this skip Step 13 and proceed to Step 13a this will run a script that will populate the database with a built-in directory structure. It should just run....any errors and something is amiss.....check your stuff from previous steps. Step 13: Setting the Administrator password... We also need to set a password and make a tweak for a ?special? account... Administrator This account was created when you ran smbldap-populate. It is vital as it is the account that will be used to join Windows machines to the Samba Domain. It must have a uid of ?0?. One very important thing we need to do is comment out a line in the /etc/samba/smbusers file. To do this let's go to the directory... cd /etc/samba and then edit the file gedit smbusers find the line that shows .... root=administrator admin and comment it out by adding the # symbol #root=administrator admin then save and exit. Now let's set the password. To set the password for the Administrator account type... smbpasswd -a Administrator and enter a password of your choosing. Don't forget it as you'll need it when you start adding Windows machines to your domain. Step 13a: Setting the Administrator (root) password... To set the password for the root account type... smbpasswd -a root and enter a password of your choosing. Don't forget it as you'll need it when you start adding Windows machines to your domain. Note: When you add machines to the Windows domain (from the Windows workstation) you will use ?root? as the user along with the password you set here *snip* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 5 03:07:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:07:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem In-Reply-To: <20050804155504.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.622c71f3fd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050804155504.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.622c71f3fd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:55 PM +0000 wrote: >I know that this is going to seem quite simple, but for some reason this >stumps me over and over. When I am setting up samba as a PDC, I use the >command "smbpasswd -a root" to use the root account as the account to >allow windoze machines to join the domain. I am using the create machine >account script in smb.conf to auto add the machine account to samba. >When I try the first one, I get the message that the username or password >is invalid. Can someone tell me what I am missing? > > >Thanks so much, Whoops! Suddenly I realized that you're not using Samba/LDAP, but plain 'ol Samba...sorry....disregard my other post. :-( Been so long since I did plain 'ol Samba...I've forgotten how. One thing I remember is that unless the pendulum has swung back the other way...you need to use the "Administrator" account to join machines to the domain. It used to be root...then it became Administrator....we put it back to "root" in smbldap, but it may still be Administrator in regular Samba. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 5 03:01:46 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:01:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem (from David T) Message-ID: <20050804200146.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7ec5c0ff8c.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 5 03:08:03 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:08:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem Message-ID: <20050804200803.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b9a18b3880.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 5 03:59:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:59:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a smbldap server with a linux machine In-Reply-To: <42F29920.9080107@santaz.dk> References: <42F29920.9080107@santaz.dk> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:39 PM +0000 wrote: >I want to login from a linux machine too, a gentoo box Have fun...since there's nothing like authconfig (a fedora/rh tool) for gentoo....you have to do it all by hand Maybe something like this will help: If you don't rely on 'authconfig', you can edit your /etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand, to have something like the following: #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so account sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= password sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_authtok password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/pam_ldap.so Warning: a special attention must be taken about the account sufficient parameters as it seems RedHat authconfig tools place it as 'required' in any case (which is not the way you'll need) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 5 04:01:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 00:01:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem In-Reply-To: <20050804200803.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b9a18b3880.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050804200803.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b9a18b3880.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 11:08 PM +0000 wrote: >Bingo.. That is exactly what I am having trouble doing. I am trying to >use root as the "admin" account. Should I be using a different user? I >do appreciate your help on this... yeah..try administrator not "admin" but administrator David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 5 04:11:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 00:11:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem In-Reply-To: <20050804200803.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b9a18b3880.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050804200803.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b9a18b3880.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 11:08 PM +0000 wrote: >Bingo.. That is exactly what I am having trouble doing. I am trying to >use root as the "admin" account. Should I be using a different user? I >do appreciate your help on this... also...did you run smbpasswd -a root Try using Administrator with the password you specified when doing smbpasswd -a root David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 5 04:10:12 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:10:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem Message-ID: <20050804211012.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c850344ada.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Aug 5 10:50:07 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:50:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with win2000 joining a samba/ldap domain In-Reply-To: <42F29CFE.5070002@comcast.net> References: <42F277FD.10701@msln.net> <42F29CFE.5070002@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42F3445F.6040609@msln.net> Dave Hopkins wrote: > With Samba 3, you should be able to join the domain without having to > explicitly add the systems at the server (it works like a real Windows > PDC :) ) I learned something today... I can go to sleep tonight! -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Aug 5 12:29:57 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:29:57 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Where did teacher tool get filed. In-Reply-To: <42F2CAD1.60802@stmarys-school.org> References: <42F2AC43.3000802@elp.rr.com> <42F2CAD1.60802@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1123244997.5527.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 22:11 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > /usr/sbin/TeacherTool > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > I replaced hard drives and reinstalled k12ltsp. The locate command > > says it can't find teacher tool. Where is it filed or do I need to > > install it separately? > > I'm currently using 4.2 > > Thanks > > Pat Though John gave you the answer (above), in future you can use the locate tool to better effect by trying a few basic steps. Forgive me if you know this and tried it already :-) 1/ After installs/removals/upgrades run, as superuser, "updatedb" to update the data base of files that locate knows about. BTW: Though not related to "locate" you need to do the same with rpm packages, except the command is "rpm --rebuilddb". 2/ do a wildcard search to cover more possible hits, eg., try looking for "teach*" or "*tool" in the case you cited, rather than the full word. 3/ repeat (2) with upper case first letter, and variants of that depending on the name question. Eg, one that tripped me up recently was "MToolsFM" - simply couldn't find it until Eric pointed to the correct capitalisation :-). Remember, GNU/Linux is case sensitive. It's possibly point (3) above that tripped you up. Hopefully you'll have better luck with the "locate" tool next time :-) Gavin. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 5 15:07:52 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:07:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem In-Reply-To: <20050804200803.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b9a18b3880.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050804200803.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b9a18b3880.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: If you have run smbpasswd -a root it should work. But you have to give it the same password as the regular root password on the server. I use it this way with no problems at all. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Bingo.. That is exactly what I am having trouble doing. I am trying to > use root as the "admin" account. Should I be using a different user? I > do appreciate your help on this... > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] samba admin account problem > From: "David Trask" > Date: Thu, August 04, 2005 10:07 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:55 PM +0000 wrote: > >I know that this is going to seem quite simple, but for some > reason this > >stumps me over and over. When I am setting up samba as a > PDC, I use the > >command "smbpasswd -a root" to use the root account as the > account to > >allow windoze machines to join the domain. I am using the > create machine > >account script in smb.conf to auto add the machine account > to samba. > >When I try the first one, I get the message that the > username or password > >is invalid. Can someone tell me what I am missing? > > > > > >Thanks so much, > > Whoops! Suddenly I realized that you're not using > Samba/LDAP, but plain > 'ol Samba...sorry....disregard my other post. :-( Been so > long since I > did plain 'ol Samba...I've forgotten how. One thing I > remember is that > unless the pendulum has swung back the other way...you need > to use the > "Administrator" account to join machines to the domain. It > used to be > root...then it became Administrator....we put it back to > "root" in > smbldap, but it may still be Administrator in regular Samba. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 5 19:32:38 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:32:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Where did teacher tool get filed. In-Reply-To: <1123244997.5527.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42F2AC43.3000802@elp.rr.com> <42F2CAD1.60802@stmarys-school.org> <1123244997.5527.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42F3BED6.4040600@elp.rr.com> You were right Gavin I had been there and done all that. Turns out that I was trying the wrong name for what I was looking for. Oh well. Bye Pat Gavin Chester wrote: >On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 22:11 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > > >>/usr/sbin/TeacherTool >> >>John P. Conlon wrote: >> >> >> >>>I replaced hard drives and reinstalled k12ltsp. The locate command >>>says it can't find teacher tool. Where is it filed or do I need to >>>install it separately? >>>I'm currently using 4.2 >>>Thanks >>>Pat >>> >>> > >Though John gave you the answer (above), in future you can use the >locate tool to better effect by trying a few basic steps. Forgive me if >you know this and tried it already :-) > >1/ After installs/removals/upgrades run, as superuser, "updatedb" to >update the data base of files that locate knows about. BTW: Though not >related to "locate" you need to do the same with rpm packages, except >the command is "rpm --rebuilddb". >2/ do a wildcard search to cover more possible hits, eg., try looking >for "teach*" or "*tool" in the case you cited, rather than the full >word. >3/ repeat (2) with upper case first letter, and variants of that >depending on the name question. Eg, one that tripped me up recently was >"MToolsFM" - simply couldn't find it until Eric pointed to the correct >capitalisation :-). Remember, GNU/Linux is case sensitive. > >It's possibly point (3) above that tripped you up. Hopefully you'll >have better luck with the "locate" tool next time :-) > >Gavin. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 5 19:37:51 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:37:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Quicktime player plug in Message-ID: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> I need a quick time player to use with the Nautilus and Firefox browsers in k12ltsp 4.2. Does anybody know where I can find such with detailed install instructions. If it isn't an rpm I get stuck quickly. thanks Pat From knukje at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 21:09:32 2005 From: knukje at gmail.com (kjetil knudsen) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:09:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic when trying to installing k12ltsp 4.4.0 pre3 In-Reply-To: <20050802163112.8FF659E9E1@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050802163112.8FF659E9E1@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <765fef2505080514093700ebbd@mail.gmail.com> Here's a weird fix: boot from the k12ltsp 4.4.0 CD type: mediacheck you will get an error. then type : linux mediacheck and voila! your installation is on its way! I have no idea why this worked, but hey! as long as it works, right!! On 8/2/05, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > We are upgrading to k12ltsp 4.4.0 this summer. Doing a fresh install on all four servers that were running k12ltsp 4.1. One of our servers with a Pentium 4 560J gets a "kernel panic, system out of sync" when trying to do a fresh install with k12ltsp 4.4.0 pre3. (K12ltsp 4.1 installs without any problems on same server).. What to do? > > Kjetil Knudsen > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 21:16:28 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:16:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic when trying to installing k12ltsp 4.4.0 pre3 In-Reply-To: <765fef2505080514093700ebbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050802163112.8FF659E9E1@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> <765fef2505080514093700ebbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a805080514164af7f3e@mail.gmail.com> On 8/5/05, kjetil knudsen wrote: > Here's a weird fix: > > boot from the k12ltsp 4.4.0 CD > type: mediacheck > you will get an error. > then type : linux mediacheck Not sure about the other problem, but the 'linux mediacheck' thing is probably like the memory testers. You tell it what to boot, then what to do after booting. In other words, you are telling it to boot linux, then run 'mediacheck' afterwards. By typing just mediacheck, it has no clue what to boot and throws the error message back. roger From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 5 23:12:28 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:12:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Quicktime player plug in In-Reply-To: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> Never tested this out, but maybe worth penny :-) http://heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3 Kevin Op 5-aug-05, om 21:37 heeft John P. Conlon het volgende geschreven: > I need a quick time player to use with the Nautilus and Firefox > browsers in k12ltsp 4.2. Does anybody know where I can find such > with detailed install instructions. If it isn't an rpm I get stuck > quickly. > thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 5 23:17:36 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:17:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Quicktime player plug in In-Reply-To: <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> Message-ID: And this one, although commercial: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/supported_apps/ Kevin Op 6-aug-05, om 01:12 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > Never tested this out, but maybe worth penny :-) > > http://heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3 > > Kevin > > > Op 5-aug-05, om 21:37 heeft John P. Conlon het volgende geschreven: > > >> I need a quick time player to use with the Nautilus and Firefox >> browsers in k12ltsp 4.2. Does anybody know where I can find such >> with detailed install instructions. If it isn't an rpm I get >> stuck quickly. >> thanks >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 5 23:34:18 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:34:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Quicktime player plug in In-Reply-To: <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> Message-ID: <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> I found this site and downloaded the file but after the initial decompression I don't know what to do. I tried configure and makefile but just got error messages. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Pat Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Never tested this out, but maybe worth penny :-) > > http://heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3 > > Kevin > > > Op 5-aug-05, om 21:37 heeft John P. Conlon het volgende geschreven: > >> I need a quick time player to use with the Nautilus and Firefox >> browsers in k12ltsp 4.2. Does anybody know where I can find such >> with detailed install instructions. If it isn't an rpm I get stuck >> quickly. >> thanks >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ism at ywammt.org Sat Aug 6 00:35:48 2005 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] one slow terminal - one fast one. In-Reply-To: <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I am setting up my 5th K12 terminal system and here in sunny st. croix, and i ran into a problem i can't figure out. I was wondering if anyone had an idea. The walls are 4 foot concrete so i concerved on running cable by running one or two runs from building to building and then putting a switch in... (of couse following the swtich/hub/router guidelines.) I am in the great room of this plantation home with two teminals and my wireless laptop here. I can log in from my laptop through VNC with no problem. One of the terminals works great (speed wise) and the other one loads the graphical greeter line by line. The wireless router, and both terminals are plugged into the same switch, and i tried switching the cables from the one that is fast to the that is slow to make sure it was not a cable issue. The Terminals are all are the same model refurbished dells from disklessworkstation.com same mouse and key board. I cannot seem to find anything different in the .conf, and i am fresh out of ideas. Any one seen this before? Joshua Sanders From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 02:07:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:07:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] one slow terminal - one fast one. In-Reply-To: <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: Could the nic on one of the machines be bad? Do both Dells have onboard nics, or could you swap them? If both machines are PXE booting from onboard nics, you could try putting a new nic (if you have one) in the slow machine and floppy-booting to see what happens. I'll look at one of my Dells here, but I'm wondering if there are bios settings that could be affecting the nic as well... Steve On 8/5/05, Joshua Sanders wrote: > I am setting up my 5th K12 terminal system and here in sunny st. croix, > and i ran into a problem i can't figure out. I was wondering if anyone had > an idea. > > The walls are 4 foot concrete so i concerved on running cable by running > one or two runs from building to building and then putting a switch in... > (of couse following the swtich/hub/router guidelines.) I am in the great > room of this plantation home with two teminals and my wireless laptop > here. I can log in from my laptop through VNC with no problem. One of the > terminals works great (speed wise) and the other one loads the graphical > greeter line by line. The wireless router, and both terminals are plugged > into the same switch, and i tried switching the cables from the one that > is fast to the that is slow to make sure it was not a cable issue. > > The Terminals are all are the same model refurbished dells from > disklessworkstation.com same mouse and key board. I cannot seem to find > anything different in the .conf, and i am fresh out of ideas. Any one seen > this before? > > Joshua Sanders > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 6 03:05:34 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 23:05:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] one slow terminal - one fast one. In-Reply-To: <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <42F428FE.7080408@cmosnetworks.com> Yes, I have seen this. Many times. Dell Optiplex GX1's, of which my district has a ton, are known to have issues with the BIOS with respect to the built-in NICs. Depending on the BIOS revision, some will stay locked at 10Mbps/HalfDuplex, and others won't even PXE boot. Your slow-responding terminal sounds like it likely has the 10Mb/HDX locking issue. Flashing the Optiplex's BIOS has fixed the problem for me every time. Jim, if you're reading this by any chance, then just in case, it'd be a good idea to flash the BIOS's on all the Optiplexes you sell, if you're not already doing it. And I agree with you; they make very fine LTSP terminals. It's a shame my district is throwing them out (hint hint). --TP Joshua Sanders wrote: >I am setting up my 5th K12 terminal system and here in sunny st. croix, >and i ran into a problem i can't figure out. I was wondering if anyone had >an idea. > >The walls are 4 foot concrete so i concerved on running cable by running >one or two runs from building to building and then putting a switch in... >(of couse following the swtich/hub/router guidelines.) I am in the great >room of this plantation home with two teminals and my wireless laptop >here. I can log in from my laptop through VNC with no problem. One of the >terminals works great (speed wise) and the other one loads the graphical >greeter line by line. The wireless router, and both terminals are plugged >into the same switch, and i tried switching the cables from the one that >is fast to the that is slow to make sure it was not a cable issue. > >The Terminals are all are the same model refurbished dells from >disklessworkstation.com same mouse and key board. I cannot seem to find >anything different in the .conf, and i am fresh out of ideas. Any one seen >this before? > >Joshua Sanders > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat Aug 6 03:31:16 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:31:16 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [Evolution] bug hunting binaries for Fedora Core 4] Message-ID: <1123299077.5527.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm forwarding a posting from the evolution list that would be of interest to k12ltsp since it pertains to FC4: -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Ben Liblit > To: evolution at lists.ximian.com > Subject: [Evolution] bug hunting binaries for Fedora Core 4 > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:53:59 -0500 > The Cooperative Bug Isolation Project is a joint effort by the > University of Wisconsin-Madison, UC Berkeley, and Stanford University to > bring debugging into the Internet age. Instrumented applications send > feedback to our analysis center, where we use statistical debugging > techniques to learn what goes wrong when the software crashes. > > CBI is pleased to announce that prebuilt, instrumented binaries of > Evolution are now available as ready-to-install RPMs for Fedora Core 4. > We track stable releases, currently 2.2.5. Several other applications > are available as well; see the download page for details. > > What we need most of all are more runs from real users like you! Even > if you've never written a line of code in your life, you can help make > things better for everyone simply by using our special bug-hunting > packages. Read more (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/cbi/), download some > packages (http://www.cs.wisc.edu/cbi/downloads/), and join in! > > Fedora Core 1 and Fedora Core 2 users can help too: see the CBI > downloads page for selected versions of most instrumented applications > for FC1 and FC2. > > project info: > downloads: > > > > _______________________________________________ > evolution maillist - evolution at lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution > -- Regards, Gavin Chester (Principal) ___________________ ECOSOLUTIONS (R) ABN: 47 234 074 969 ------------------- Ecosolutions specialises in instrumentation and services for environmental monitoring, while also researching and developing new environmental technologies. ------------------- 962 Williams Rd, Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 PO Box 62, Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 Tel: +61 8 95381102 Fax: +61 8 95381409 ____________________ (R) ecosolutions is a registered Trade Mark (Australia) -------------------- From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Aug 6 04:45:10 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:45:10 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Voice recognition software? In-Reply-To: <42F2B444.1020308@physics.isu.edu> References: <42F2B444.1020308@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi All, One student of ours (primary school) has great difficulty reading and writing but is able to communicate fairly well verbally. So his teachers were wondering if there was FOS software that would turn his words into text to help him on a bit. Any ideas? Many thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From petre at maltzen.net Sat Aug 6 16:00:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (petre at maltzen.net) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:00:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot find valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp Message-ID: <55515.66.93.16.165.1123344050.squirrel@66.93.16.165> I installed version 4.2.1, ran 'yum update', but now whenever I run yum, I get Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo looks like this: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2 gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 Can anyone tell me what's wrong here? Petre From petre at maltzen.net Sat Aug 6 16:10:33 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (petre at maltzen.net) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:10:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] thunderbird can't find libXp.so.6 Message-ID: <38179.66.93.16.165.1123344633.squirrel@66.93.16.165> I'm trying to run Thunderbird on k12ltsp ver. 4.2.1, but when I do I get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libXp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Locate shows libXp.so.6 to be /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6 which is a symlink to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6.2. I put a symlink to it in /usr/lib/ but that didn't help. Does anyone have thunderbird running on this version of k12ltsp? Petre From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 6 16:59:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:59:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Voice recognition software? In-Reply-To: <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <, > <42F2B444.1020308@physics.isu.edu> <,> <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: Just clarifying...are you looking for voice recognition software which will recognize what you say into a microphone and turn it into text on the screen....OR are you looking for text-to-speech software which will read back the text on a computer screen. (which sounds like what you want...right?) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 12:45 AM +0000 wrote: >Hi All, > >One student of ours (primary school) has great difficulty reading and >writing >but is able to communicate fairly well verbally. So his teachers were >wondering >if there was FOS software that would turn his words into text to help him >on a >bit. Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 6 17:03:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:03:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Voice recognition software? In-Reply-To: <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <, > <42F2B444.1020308@physics.isu.edu> <,> <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: Couple screen readers that come to mind are Festival and yRead....Festival should be available via the repostiories David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 16:59:10 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:59:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] one slow terminal - one fast one. In-Reply-To: <42F428FE.7080408@cmosnetworks.com> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <42F428FE.7080408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: >Flashing the Optiplex's BIOS > has fixed the problem for me every time. Here's the link on Dell's site for the bios update for the GX1. http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/format.aspx?releaseid=R31962&c=us&l=en&cs=&s=gen It does require a Windows PC to run the file, which then creates a floppy disk to update the bios. If you don't have a Windows pc around to do that, let me know and I'm sure some of the more technically minded here can help us take the floppy image and convert it to something that can be written from Linux... I'm sure my "Knopix Hacks" book has the answer to that! Steve > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sun Aug 7 01:30:49 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:30:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin client question Message-ID: <200508070129.j771T8A18099@www.mi-spot.com> Has anyone ever tried using a NCD Thinstar300? It seems to have Windows CE in its flash rom, but if it can act like a thin client off of a windows network... I'm seeing these things around for only a few dollars each. Thanks, Eric Viva la Open Source! From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Aug 7 03:33:43 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:33:43 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Voice recognition software? In-Reply-To: References: <, > <42F2B444.1020308@physics.isu.edu> <,> <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20050807133343.njg925dhdiasoswk@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> > Just clarifying...are you looking for voice recognition software which > will recognize what you say into a microphone and turn it into text on the > screen.... Yes - this one. This kid can tell us his stories verbally but can't write/type them as he has difficulty with writing (he is not physically disabled though). I'm just starting to investigate what is out there that could help him. Thanks again, Debbie > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 12:45 AM +0000 wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> One student of ours (primary school) has great difficulty reading and >> writing >> but is able to communicate fairly well verbally. So his teachers were >> wondering >> if there was FOS software that would turn his words into text to help him >> on a >> bit. Any ideas? > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Aug 7 06:15:21 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:15:21 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum dependency resolution Message-ID: <1123395321.5527.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Try and make a long story short by citing one small example ;-) - I'm having trouble understanding why a yum update is failing with an unmet dependency when a search of my system shows that the dependency in question is already installed on my system in the exact version required. I did an "rpm--rebuilddb" just in case my system didn't know about the package for some reason, but otherwise I can't seem to get past this. Is there need to, or some means to, tell yum about everything that's on your system - I've always assumed it "just know" (tm). -- Regards, Gavin Chester From tuxnician at execulink.com Sun Aug 7 15:39:08 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:39:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linspire for schools Message-ID: <42F62B1C.6000209@execulink.com> /"According to an article at PC Magazine, Indiana School systems may soon be purchasing around 300,000 Linpire desktop computers . Linspire, via its Education Program has a straight $500-per-school (not per-seat) cost, providing an incredibly-alluring price incentive for this to happen."/ From the article: /"Many schools across the state have already had the chance to try out desktop Linux, and everyone seems excited to get this program going...This groundbreaking initiative makes it possible for schools to afford computers for every student, something that makes a huge impact on their overall educations."/ The story link is http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1844695,00.asp Linspire is here http://www.linspire.com/lindows_esl_info.php So each school pays $500 and can install Linspire linux on as many machines as the school owns. Jason From big at santaz.dk Sun Aug 7 21:04:19 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:04:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a smbldap server with a linux machine In-Reply-To: References: <42F29920.9080107@santaz.dk> Message-ID: <42F67753.6090508@santaz.dk> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:39 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>I want to login from a linux machine too, a gentoo box >> >> > >Have fun...since there's nothing like authconfig (a fedora/rh tool) for >gentoo....you have to do it all by hand > >Maybe something like this will help: > >If you don't rely on 'authconfig', you can edit your >/etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand, to have something like the following: > >#%PAM-1.0 ># This file is auto-generated. ># User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. >auth required /lib/security/pam_env.so >auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok >auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass >auth required /lib/security/pam_deny.so > >account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so >account sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so > >password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= >password sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 >shadow >password sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_authtok >password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so > >session required /lib/security/pam_limits.so >session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so >session optional /lib/security/pam_ldap.so > >Warning: a special attention must be taken about the account sufficient >parameters as it seems RedHat authconfig tools place it as 'required' in >any case (which is not the way you'll need) > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Okay it seems a little tough i found some help at the gentoo forums i'll just have to play with it this week ... Thanks Jesper Berth From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Aug 7 20:03:57 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:03:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Linspire for schools In-Reply-To: <42F62B1C.6000209@execulink.com> References: <42F62B1C.6000209@execulink.com> Message-ID: Anyone got ltsp to work on linspire? Kevin Op 7-aug-05, om 17:39 heeft Jason het volgende geschreven: > /"According to an article at PC Magazine, Indiana School systems > may soon be purchasing around 300,000 Linpire desktop computers > . Linspire, > via its Education Program lindows_esl_info.php> has a straight $500-per-school (not per-seat) > cost, providing an incredibly-alluring price incentive for this to > happen."/ From the article: /"Many schools across the state have > already had the chance to try out desktop Linux, and everyone seems > excited to get this program going...This groundbreaking initiative > makes it possible for schools to afford computers for every > student, something that makes a huge impact on their overall > educations."/ > > The story link is http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1844695,00.asp > Linspire is here http://www.linspire.com/lindows_esl_info.php > > So each school pays $500 and can install Linspire linux on as many > machines as the school owns. > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From nbs at sonic.net Sun Aug 7 20:40:57 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:40:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Voice recognition software? In-Reply-To: <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <42F2B444.1020308@physics.isu.edu> <20050806144510.psutedzorafswcwg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20050807204057.GB4054@sonic.net> On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 02:45:10PM +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi All, > > One student of ours (primary school) has great difficulty reading and > writing > but is able to communicate fairly well verbally. So his teachers were > wondering > if there was FOS software that would turn his words into text to help him > on a > bit. Any ideas? Once upon a time there was a commercial product (IBM's ViaVoice), but they apparently canned the project due to lack of interest. (I spoke with someone at an IBM booth at an expo once, and he was grumbling how Linux people only want things for free... *sigh*) They may have resurrected it since, as that was a couple of years ago. Doing a quick search brought up some interesting tidbits... Google: "voice recognition linux" * Speech Recognition for Linux (Collection of links, info and history on the subject) http://volker.dnsalias.net/linux/speechrec.html * Speech Recognition HOWTO (HOWTO last updated in April 2002) http://www.gear21.com/speech/html/ * Perlbox.org (Seems to be voice control, rather than dictation) http://perlbox.org/ * LumenVox's Speech Recognition Engine (Commercial API for Windows & Linux, dunno if it, itself, does dictation) http://www.lumenvox.com/products/sre/ * Voice Recognition on Linux (blog entry) (A sad report of the state of speech recog. on Linux, from May 2004) http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/000299.html * Speak to me, Linux (An article covering recognition and synthesis, from January 2005!!!) http://applications.linux.com/applications/05/01/18/2148234.shtml SourceForge.net: "voice recognition" * [well, some stuff, but nothing I saw that was too interesting] Freshmeat.net: "voice recognition" * [pretty much NOTHING worth speaking of] Hope that helps! If anyone comes up with anything good, let us know! :) -- -bill! Picn*x14 --- Linux Anniversary Picnic & BBQ! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Sunnyvale Baylands Park, Sunday, August 14th http://newbreedsoftware.com/ http://linuxpicnic.org/ to RSVP & volunteer! From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 7 21:04:17 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:04:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Join a smbldap server with a linux machine Message-ID: <200508072321.j77NLcK15309@downeast.net> If you are authing to a smbldap doamin you nedd to have /etc/ldap.conf right on the gentoo box..if it is at all like redhat..chuck > David Trask wrote: > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:39 PM +0000 wrote: > > > > > >>I want to login from a linux machine too, a gentoo box > >> > >> > > > >Have fun...since there's nothing like authconfig (a fedora/rh tool) for > >gentoo....you have to do it all by hand > > > >Maybe something like this will help: > > > >If you don't rely on 'authconfig', you can edit your > >/etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand, to have something like the following: > > > >#%PAM-1.0 > ># This file is auto-generated. > ># User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. > >auth required /lib/security/pam_env.so > >auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok > >auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass > >auth required /lib/security/pam_deny.so > > > >account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so > >account sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so > > > >password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= > >password sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 > >shadow > >password sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_authtok > >password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so > > > >session required /lib/security/pam_limits.so > >session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so > >session optional /lib/security/pam_ldap.so > > > >Warning: a special attention must be taken about the account sufficient > >parameters as it seems RedHat authconfig tools place it as 'required' in > >any case (which is not the way you'll need) > > > > > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > Okay it seems a little tough i found some help at the gentoo forums i'll > just have to play with it this week ... Thanks > > Jesper Berth > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 8 14:19:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:19:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one slow terminal - one fast one. In-Reply-To: <42F428FE.7080408@cmosnetworks.com> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <42F428FE.7080408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <42F769EA.9090300@maltzen.net> I hate to ask this (because I think I know the answer) but why is your district throwing out working terminals? That's one of the selling points of LTSP is that the terminals don't have to be replaced until they die (and I know you know this, we've both been on this list a long time ;-)). But I have to ask what the district is thinking here. Petre Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Yes, I have seen this. Many times. > > Dell Optiplex GX1's, of which my district has a ton, are known to have > issues with the BIOS with respect to the built-in NICs. Depending on > the BIOS revision, some will stay locked at 10Mbps/HalfDuplex, and > others won't even PXE boot. Your slow-responding terminal sounds like > it likely has the 10Mb/HDX locking issue. Flashing the Optiplex's BIOS > has fixed the problem for me every time. > > Jim, if you're reading this by any chance, then just in case, it'd be a > good idea to flash the BIOS's on all the Optiplexes you sell, if you're > not already doing it. And I agree with you; they make very fine LTSP > terminals. It's a shame my district is throwing them out (hint hint). > > --TP > > Joshua Sanders wrote: > >> I am setting up my 5th K12 terminal system and here in sunny st. croix, >> and i ran into a problem i can't figure out. I was wondering if anyone >> had >> an idea. >> >> The walls are 4 foot concrete so i concerved on running cable by running >> one or two runs from building to building and then putting a switch in... >> (of couse following the swtich/hub/router guidelines.) I am in the great >> room of this plantation home with two teminals and my wireless laptop >> here. I can log in from my laptop through VNC with no problem. One of the >> terminals works great (speed wise) and the other one loads the graphical >> greeter line by line. The wireless router, and both terminals are >> plugged >> into the same switch, and i tried switching the cables from the one that >> is fast to the that is slow to make sure it was not a cable issue. >> >> The Terminals are all are the same model refurbished dells from >> disklessworkstation.com same mouse and key board. I cannot seem to find >> anything different in the .conf, and i am fresh out of ideas. Any one >> seen >> this before? >> >> Joshua Sanders >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 8 14:52:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:52:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot find valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <55515.66.93.16.165.1123344050.squirrel@66.93.16.165> References: <55515.66.93.16.165.1123344050.squirrel@66.93.16.165> Message-ID: <42F771C2.7030606@maltzen.net> Never mind: The problem turned out to be the repo file I had for 0install (zero install) from a previous attempt to install rox-filer. Petre petre at maltzen.net wrote: > I installed version 4.2.1, ran 'yum update', but now whenever I run yum, I > get > > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp > > /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo looks like this: > > [k12ltsp] > name=K12LTSP > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2 > gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > > Can anyone tell me what's wrong here? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 8 14:55:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:55:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thunderbird can't find libXp.so.6--resolved In-Reply-To: <38179.66.93.16.165.1123344633.squirrel@66.93.16.165> References: <38179.66.93.16.165.1123344633.squirrel@66.93.16.165> Message-ID: <42F7726A.4060003@maltzen.net> FYI, installing xorg-x11-deprecated-libs-6.8.2-1.FC3.13 fixed the problem. Petre petre at maltzen.net wrote: > I'm trying to run Thunderbird on k12ltsp ver. 4.2.1, but when I do I get > this error: > > error while loading shared libraries: libXp.so.6: cannot open shared > object file: No such file or directory > > Locate shows libXp.so.6 to be /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6 > which is a symlink to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6.2. I put a > symlink to it in /usr/lib/ but that didn't help. Does anyone have > thunderbird running on this version of k12ltsp? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 8 15:37:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module Message-ID: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. Here goes: Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first entry leave set to Don?t change Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} Lowest UID for new users: 1000 Default primary group for new users: Domain Users Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users Default shell for new users: /bin/bash LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please use your own sambaSID here :-) LDAP properties for new Samba users: sambaLogonScript: startup.bat sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} sambaHomeDrive: X: LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know if you can get the batch import to work. Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux server and all new users will receive the custom dock. Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 8/7/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Aug 8 17:08:34 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:08:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA hot-swap, hotplug, etc Message-ID: <1123520914.15046.16.camel@phoenix.hhp> I've gotten myself a new server w/ 4 250 Gig SATA drives, all of which are in a hot-swap bay. 3 of the drives are a raid mirror (no spares), so I can remove a drive each week (This is my backup server). I use software raid, and have successfully failed the drives, and used the echo "scsi remove-single-device 1 0 0 0" > /proc/scsi/scsi format to remove and of course add new drives. However, the new drive typically does not become say /dev/sdb again, it takes /dev/sde... any help on controlling this? Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Aug 8 17:41:18 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:41:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module In-Reply-To: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, You're doing a wonderful job in helping me with our first large- usergroup based LTSP install at school. Thnx for all your marvelous help ! Kevin Op 8-aug-05, om 17:37 heeft Jim Kronebusch het volgende geschreven: > You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and > groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as > configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer > scripts. The > add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to > leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron > to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the > settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled > machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will > list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is > also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will > also be > able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that > under > the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, > and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. > > Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the > variables > ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id > respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. > > Here goes: > > Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf > Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and > enter > your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first > entry leave set to Don?t change > Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson > Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd > LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} > Lowest UID for new users: 1000 > Default primary group for new users: Domain Users > Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users > Default shell for new users: /bin/bash > LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount > Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes > Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 > (Please > use your own sambaSID here :-) > LDAP properties for new Samba users: > sambaLogonScript: startup.bat > sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} > sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} > sambaHomeDrive: X: > LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping > > Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this > will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add > the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post > out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me > know > if you can get the batch import to work. > > Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a > Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default > into > that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh > HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and > move it > to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux > server and all new users will receive the custom dock. > > Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by > default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to > /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This > should > make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most > part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. > > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: > 8/7/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Aug 9 11:55:35 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:55:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with win2000 joining a samba/ldap domain In-Reply-To: <42F277FD.10701@msln.net> References: <42F277FD.10701@msln.net> Message-ID: I changed the ethernet card (even though I could ping it) and it solved all the problems. Thanks for the help. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 4:18 PM -0500 wrote: >Have you added the machine to smb/ldap with >#> smbldap-useradd -w {machine_name} >Without the brackets and proper machine name of course? >Mark > >Randall Swift wrote: > >>I cannot seem to get a windows 2000 machine to join the ldap/samba >domain. >>I get the following error: the specified domain either does not exist or >>could not be contacted. I can ping the server and I can even see it in >>network neighborhood. Any ideas? Thanks >> >>Randy Swift >>Network Administrator >>Leavitt Area High School >>Turner, Maine 04282 >>(207)225-3533 >>swift at msad52.k12.me.us >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >-- >Mark Gumprecht >Data Systems Specialist >MSAD3 >Unity, ME >gumprechtm at msln.net > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From trond at mahlum.biz Tue Aug 9 07:29:17 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:29:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre-release #3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1123572557.8363.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> s?n, 31,.07.2005 kl. 10.12 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > Hey folks, > > I've uploaded K12LTSP 4.4.0 pre-release #3. With any luck, this one > fixes all the reported show-stopping bugs. Is the OpenOffice-to-MSformats as default, fixed? If so, it doesn't work for me. I have had three weeks off. Now I did a yum update, and I noticed that openoffice was upgraded. Now it defaults to ooo formats again. Is there a hack that can be applied to fix this? Regards Trond Maehlum From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 9 07:06:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 03:06:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need suggestions for poor man's load balancing.... Message-ID: Hi all, Here's my scenario...I have a big K12LTSP server, a Samba/LDAP server, and a seperate DHCP server on my school network. I have it set up so that everything is on the same subnet....no private network for the LTSP stuff. The DHCP server is a Fedora box that simply does nothing else except DHCP....I use the "next-server" option to pass the boot info to the terminals. Works great. I have just bought another K12LTSP server....had the $$$...planning for the future and want to spread the load a little. I read http://republico.estv.ipv.pt/~nmct/ltsp/ha/ltsp-ha-howto-en-gpl.html and while it's intriguing....I think I have to give up too much at this point to make it work. One of which is no static addresses in DHCP....I need my static "reserved" addresses. Since I'm using Samba/LDAP...syncing users and so forth is not an issue....what I want is to possibly set up DHCP to fill up one server and once that's done...go to the next one....or possibly a "chooser" (think I saw one once) to allow the user to choose the server they want to access....or possibly hard-coding machines into one server or the other? I'm open to suggestions....I'm hoping to tackle this by the end of the week....fire away with your ideas! also...could it be possible to do something similar to what's being done in http://republico.estv.ipv.pt/~nmct/ltsp/ha/ltsp-ha-howto-en-gpl.html yet still use a seperate DHCP server? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Tue Aug 9 03:33:16 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:33:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] another test Message-ID: <42F823FC.20906@stmaurice.mb.ca> is this list down? Nothing I write is being delivered, and nothing new has come in since noon From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Aug 9 02:12:56 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:12:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] quicktime4linux Message-ID: <42F81128.6000807@elp.rr.com> I have installed Quicktime4Linux in K12LTSP 4.2 and run updatedb. Now I can't find or run it. I need to use it in its plug in form in Nautilus to view web based quick time VRs. These are the images that you click on and hold with your mouse and drag left, right, or up and down to see all sides of the imaged object. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Pat From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Aug 9 00:28:20 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:28:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linspire for schools In-Reply-To: References: <42F62B1C.6000209@execulink.com> Message-ID: <1123547300.6697.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-08-07 at 22:03 +0200, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Anyone got ltsp to work on linspire? If it runs an X server it can be configured to query and connect to an ltsp server. As for running the ltsp server under linspire, why bother? From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Mon Aug 8 23:36:15 2005 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:36:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Test Message-ID: Please ignore From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Mon Aug 8 22:44:30 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:44:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Message not going through Message-ID: <42F7E04E.2070809@stmaurice.mb.ca> I sent another message to the list, but did not receive it myself this is a test From k12ltsp at hermon.net Mon Aug 8 22:43:11 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:43:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange Mouse Activity Message-ID: Hi everyone, We are having a strange problem with one of our Terminal Servers at the middle school. Recently, we got a new server with a Supermicro board and we found out that the onboard nics on some of the new Supermicro motherboards aren't compatible with some switches. So we installed two seperate gigabit eth. controllers and installed them. We did have some trouble getting the onboard nics turned off, but we eventually got eth0 and eth1 working on the server. The terminals are now booting up and the server can connect to the internet. Strange though.. on the terminals, the mouse isn't working anymore! It wants to keep going back to the bottom-left hand side. Its the same behavio you'd expect if the mouse was not plugged in all the way in the back of the terminal. BUT, all the terminals are having the same problem. Does anyone know what we can do to get the mouse working on the terminals again? Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." Webmaster of Brittany-Snow.com, Rachel-Boston.com, & HailiPage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Mon Aug 8 21:05:46 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:05:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Comes And Goes Message-ID: <42F7C92A.801@stmaurice.mb.ca> I got sound working via advice from this group and the wiki, in browsers Flash sound specifically was what was killing me But now a new problem has cropped up. Occasionally, when a thin client logs out, the next person who logs in has no sound, but with a complete reboot, does have sound. This is slightly inconvenient as rebooting 30+ computers at the same time is really slow! any ideas? Anyone? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 8 22:46:01 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:46:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP demo offer for schools in Wash, DC area In-Reply-To: <42F769EA.9090300@maltzen.net> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <42F428FE.7080408@cmosnetworks.com> <42F769EA.9090300@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <42F7E0A9.9030802@cmosnetworks.com> Folks, For those of you in schools in the greater Washington, DC area, I make the following offer. I have a dual-Athlon K12LTSP server with 4GB DRAM which I am willing to use for demos. I estimate that my server can power anywhere between 30 and 40 clients running either GNOME or KDE before it starts swapping to disk. If you are in a situation in which you wish to present LTSP to your administration, then I am willing to bring my server and support you in that endeavour. If you have a bunch of "old" boxes like the Optiplex GX1's below, or Pentium-100's or whatever, that you don't know what to do with, I can, and am willing to, show you and your bosses what to do with them. My price: a negotiable quantity of chocolate. I think that's reasonable. :-) Why: I believe enough in Free Software, especially with regard to children, to do this. My qualifications: way too much to outline here. If someone cares about that stuff, feel free to ask me privately. --TP Petre Scheie wrote: > I hate to ask this (because I think I know the answer) but why is your > district throwing out working terminals? That's one of the selling > points of LTSP is that the terminals don't have to be replaced until > they die (and I know you know this, we've both been on this list a > long time ;-)). But I have to ask what the district is thinking here. > > Petre > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Yes, I have seen this. Many times. >> >> Dell Optiplex GX1's, of which my district has a ton, are known to >> have issues with the BIOS with respect to the built-in NICs. >> Depending on the BIOS revision, some will stay locked at >> 10Mbps/HalfDuplex, and others won't even PXE boot. Your >> slow-responding terminal sounds like it likely has the 10Mb/HDX >> locking issue. Flashing the Optiplex's BIOS has fixed the problem >> for me every time. >> >> Jim, if you're reading this by any chance, then just in case, it'd be >> a good idea to flash the BIOS's on all the Optiplexes you sell, if >> you're not already doing it. And I agree with you; they make very >> fine LTSP terminals. It's a shame my district is throwing them out >> (hint hint). >> >> --TP >> >> Joshua Sanders wrote: >> >>> I am setting up my 5th K12 terminal system and here in sunny st. croix, >>> and i ran into a problem i can't figure out. I was wondering if >>> anyone had >>> an idea. >>> >>> The walls are 4 foot concrete so i concerved on running cable by >>> running >>> one or two runs from building to building and then putting a switch >>> in... >>> (of couse following the swtich/hub/router guidelines.) I am in the >>> great >>> room of this plantation home with two teminals and my wireless laptop >>> here. I can log in from my laptop through VNC with no problem. One >>> of the >>> terminals works great (speed wise) and the other one loads the >>> graphical >>> greeter line by line. The wireless router, and both terminals are >>> plugged >>> into the same switch, and i tried switching the cables from the one >>> that >>> is fast to the that is slow to make sure it was not a cable issue. >>> >>> The Terminals are all are the same model refurbished dells from >>> disklessworkstation.com same mouse and key board. I cannot seem to find >>> anything different in the .conf, and i am fresh out of ideas. Any >>> one seen >>> this before? >>> >>> Joshua Sanders >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Aug 8 22:29:46 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:29:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] one slow terminal - one fast one. In-Reply-To: <42F769EA.9090300@maltzen.net> References: <42F3C00F.5040301@elp.rr.com> <9548AA9D-D142-459C-A0DB-338DC136AB13@telenet.be> <42F3F77A.4000708@elp.rr.com> <1260.208.30.110.153.1123288548.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <42F428FE.7080408@cmosnetworks.com> <42F769EA.9090300@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <42F7DCDA.9010305@cmosnetworks.com> Petre, I think you're right; you probably do know the answer. However, I'll say it anyway. My district is completely and totally wedded to the Wintel upgrade treadmill, all in the name of "providing the latest technology to our children." There are two problems in their minds with the Optiplexes, as far as I can tell. 1.) They don't "look new". They "look old". Thus, we don't "appear" to parents like we're "providing our children with the latest and greatest." 2.) They don't run Windows XP and MS Office 2003 lightning-fast. The district *isn't* thinking. That's the problem; you have people making technical decisions that know nothing about technology. Furthermore, anyone who actually has a clue is viewed as a "threat" to them, and they slam down any such clueful person by any expedient means. It's really sad. Ironically, the demo of K12LTSP 4.2.1 that I did last month was for our "magnet school", and it was a huge success. I used Dell Optiplex GX1's alongside the Power Mac and UltraSPARC clients. The kids were thoroughly impressed. --TP Petre Scheie wrote: > I hate to ask this (because I think I know the answer) but why is your > district throwing out working terminals? That's one of the selling > points of LTSP is that the terminals don't have to be replaced until > they die (and I know you know this, we've both been on this list a > long time ;-)). But I have to ask what the district is thinking here. > > Petre > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Yes, I have seen this. Many times. >> >> Dell Optiplex GX1's, of which my district has a ton, are known to >> have issues with the BIOS with respect to the built-in NICs. >> Depending on the BIOS revision, some will stay locked at >> 10Mbps/HalfDuplex, and others won't even PXE boot. Your >> slow-responding terminal sounds like it likely has the 10Mb/HDX >> locking issue. Flashing the Optiplex's BIOS has fixed the problem >> for me every time. >> >> Jim, if you're reading this by any chance, then just in case, it'd be >> a good idea to flash the BIOS's on all the Optiplexes you sell, if >> you're not already doing it. And I agree with you; they make very >> fine LTSP terminals. It's a shame my district is throwing them out >> (hint hint). >> >> --TP >> >> Joshua Sanders wrote: >> >>> I am setting up my 5th K12 terminal system and here in sunny st. croix, >>> and i ran into a problem i can't figure out. I was wondering if >>> anyone had >>> an idea. >>> >>> The walls are 4 foot concrete so i concerved on running cable by >>> running >>> one or two runs from building to building and then putting a switch >>> in... >>> (of couse following the swtich/hub/router guidelines.) I am in the >>> great >>> room of this plantation home with two teminals and my wireless laptop >>> here. I can log in from my laptop through VNC with no problem. One >>> of the >>> terminals works great (speed wise) and the other one loads the >>> graphical >>> greeter line by line. The wireless router, and both terminals are >>> plugged >>> into the same switch, and i tried switching the cables from the one >>> that >>> is fast to the that is slow to make sure it was not a cable issue. >>> >>> The Terminals are all are the same model refurbished dells from >>> disklessworkstation.com same mouse and key board. I cannot seem to find >>> anything different in the .conf, and i am fresh out of ideas. Any >>> one seen >>> this before? >>> >>> Joshua Sanders >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Aug 8 19:34:35 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:34:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap bdc Message-ID: <42F7B3CB.50600@msln.net> I've tried manydifferent directions to make a Backup Domain Controller. Does anyone have any pointers? I have copied the sid from the pdc with net rpc getsid. I've run ssh ldap1.mylan.net slapcat | su ldap -c 'slapadd -c; slapindex' to grab the slapcat output to the bdc.I setup the slapd.conf file on the pdc and the bdc. All the changes are going into the replica folder, but do not seem to get to the bdc. Any help appreciated. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Mon Aug 8 19:26:14 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:26:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new lab Message-ID: We've just installed a new lab. We have only one issue....if more that one user tries to access the same webpage at the same time...the second user receives an error message. If they wait for the 1st user's page to load they can then access the same page. Thanks David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From big at santaz.dk Sat Aug 13 21:43:52 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:43:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a smbldap server with a linux machine In-Reply-To: <200508072321.j77NLcK15309@downeast.net> References: <200508072321.j77NLcK15309@downeast.net> Message-ID: <42FE6998.4020202@santaz.dk> I am trying to make a login from a Fedora first just to learn how that is done using authconfig but i am in a doubt if i should use LDAP or WINBIND as userinformation and what kind of aproval i should use MD5, SHADOW, LDAP, KERBEROS, SMB or WINBIND Jesper cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >If you are authing to a smbldap doamin you nedd to have /etc/ldap.conf >right on the gentoo box..if it is at all like redhat..chuck > > > >>David Trask wrote: >> >> >> >>>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>>Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:39 PM +0000 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I want to login from a linux machine too, a gentoo box >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Have fun...since there's nothing like authconfig (a fedora/rh tool) for >>>gentoo....you have to do it all by hand >>> >>>Maybe something like this will help: >>> >>>If you don't rely on 'authconfig', you can edit your >>>/etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand, to have something like the following: >>> >>>#%PAM-1.0 >>># This file is auto-generated. >>># User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. >>>auth required /lib/security/pam_env.so >>>auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok >>>auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass >>>auth required /lib/security/pam_deny.so >>> >>>account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so >>>account sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so >>> >>>password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= >>>password sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 >>>shadow >>>password sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_authtok >>>password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so >>> >>>session required /lib/security/pam_limits.so >>>session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so >>>session optional /lib/security/pam_ldap.so >>> >>>Warning: a special attention must be taken about the account sufficient >>>parameters as it seems RedHat authconfig tools place it as 'required' in >>>any case (which is not the way you'll need) >>> >>> >>> >>>David N. Trask >>>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>Vassalboro Community School >>>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>(207)923-3100 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Okay it seems a little tough i found some help at the gentoo forums i'll >>just have to play with it this week ... Thanks >> >>Jesper Berth >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 8 19:08:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:08:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <000d01c59c4c$8f550b10$0178060a@winonacotter.org> FYI to the list. This is the response I received from Jamie Cameron regarding samba support for the batch user add of the LDAP User admin module. Hopefully he will send me a new module to test when it is ready. -------SNIP---------------- > > Now I seem to be able to add users via the batch file, however > > anything in the "Samba account options" section doesn't seem to be > > added. Is this an error on my part or a bug? > > Unfortunately, the batch import feature doesn't currently > support creating Samba users. This is really an oversight on > my part .. I will add this to the next Webmin release. > > - Jamie No problem. Please let me know when you have a version to test out. I would be more than happy to beta test a new module for you. This is the only piece missing I think to really make this module a one stop solution for smb/ldap administration. Also thanks for your quick response! Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 8/7/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 8 18:39:51 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:39:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: LDAP Users and Groups module add users from batch file In-Reply-To: <1123517403.925@fudu.home> Message-ID: <000a01c59c48$90037050$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > > Now I seem to be able to add users via the batch file, however > > anything in the "Samba account options" section doesn't seem to be > > added. Is this an error on my part or a bug? > > Unfortunately, the batch import feature doesn't currently > support creating Samba users. This is really an oversight on > my part .. I will add this to the next Webmin release. > > - Jamie No problem. Please let me know when you have a version to test out. I would be more than happy to beta test a new module for you. This is the only piece missing I think to really make this module a one stop solution for smb/ldap administration. Also thanks for your quick response! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 8/7/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From k12osn at perusion.com Mon Aug 8 18:54:42 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:54:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with Gnome and 100MB per terminal? Message-ID: <20050808185442.GA26862@bill.heins.net> I am putting in a new LTSP configuration with 30 terminals. I have a server with a dedicated 100MB ethernet using switches, and it has the latest 4.2.x K12LTSP with Fedora Core 3. I have heard a number of things about memory and capacity, like 50M per client, Gnome and KDE are unusuable, IceWM is lowest memory, etc. But I would dearly love to use Gnome instead of the rather clunky IceWM. What is the latest sense for capacity of a Gnome/Fedora Core 3 K12LTSP setup? Is 30 terminals too much for a server with 3GB of RAM (processor is midrange Athlon 2400+)? -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 I don't want to get to the end of my life and find I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well. -- Diane Ackerman From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Aug 9 11:56:49 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:56:49 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linspire for schools In-Reply-To: <1123547300.6697.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42F62B1C.6000209@execulink.com> <1123547300.6697.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10020.200.222.204.60.1123588609.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> ltsp.org > On Sun, 2005-08-07 at 22:03 +0200, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> Anyone got ltsp to work on linspire? > > If it runs an X server it can be configured to query and > connect to an ltsp server. > > As for running the ltsp server under linspire, why bother? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 21:14:00 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:14:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] South African ltsp kids looking for pen pals... In-Reply-To: <001701c59dd8$813fdc70$fc8eef9b@OUBAAS> References: <380-22005866172853781@M2W118.mail2web.com> <001701c59dd8$813fdc70$fc8eef9b@OUBAAS> Message-ID: Please consider the following, which I received from the Bennie Daniels, whose school just received a Shuttleworth LTSP lab installation. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bennie Daniels Date: Aug 10, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: Re: FW: RE:Educational Technology Magazine Asking for Article Help To: Steve Hargadon Hi Steve Our school's name is Mary Waters High School, we are a government school, which falls under the Dept of Education in The Eastern Cape Province. Our school is located in the rural part of the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa. Our children are all of African and "Coloured" decent. Our medium of instruction is basically in English and Afrikaans(indigeous language). All our children's home languages are non-english, so I was hoping to get a few of them corresponding as to improve their command of English. I have a rich historical, cultural and natural hinterland from which our children come. Our children are very new to computers and are all very keen to learn. I know not all of them will grasp the new opportunity, but hopefully some will. Most of our kids come from the poorer side of town and has already been exposed to some of the worst socio economic conditions, maybe penpal like friends might help motivate them to rise above their circumstances. Thanx Steve Regards Bennie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hargadon" To: <20017364 at worldonline.co.za> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: Fwd: FW: RE:Educational Technology Magazine Asking for Article Help Benjamin: Can you tell me where you are located again and your school name? Some details that I can give when trying to promote the pen pal idea? Maybe some understanding of the types of children in your school? On 8/6/05, steve at hargadon.com wrote: > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Benjamin Daniels 20017364 at worldonline.co.za > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:41:00 +0200 (GMT+02:00) > To: steve at hargadon.com > Subject: RE:Educational Technology Magazine Asking for Article Help > > > Hi Steve > > Since my last email to you we have installed the Shulttleworth Foundation > funded tuXlab New Server and switch + 20 refurbished thin clients. We also > installed wireless internet access point with all its necessary "things" as > well as a VOIP phone. > > I really need to learn a lot much more( I really thought I new enough), but > Open Source Software as well as "secondhand" cheap IT equipment in our > situation is a REAL solution. Feel free to forward my name to Anita I have > alot to share. > > Steve I would also want to thank you for supporting us just by being in > contact with us. > > I have also founded a Student Computer User Group( Ages range from 14-18 > years) can you please put us in touch with a school using opensource > technology we have kids the same willing to become e-pals. > > We will try to develop a website for the school - waiting on the Rhodes > University guys to guide in this respect. > > Luv and regards to you family > > God Bless > > Bennie > > > Powered by MWEB - http://new.mweb.co.za > > > ------------- Original Message -------------- > From: Steve Hargadon [steve at hargadon.com] > To: 0835329484 at worldonline.co.za > Cc: > Date: Fri,05/08/2005 01:01:39 > Subject: Educational Technology Magazine Asking for Article Help > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ISTE Magazine Looking for "Why Use Older Technology" Perspective > > I met Anita McAnear at the National Educational > Computing Convention (NECC) this year in > Philadelphia. She emailed me today because, as an > editor of ISTE's technology magazine ("Learning and > Leading with Technology"), she is looking for > someone who can discuss why "old cheap technology > everywhere can be better than new expensive but rare > technology." > > ISTE is the International Society for Technology in > Education, and they have a point/counterpoint > section in the magazine, and their focus for this > section in the October issue will be: Should > Schools Try to Be on the Leading Edge? > > She thought I might have a good resource for this, > since I sell refurbished computers to schools... And > I'm guessing (hoping) that some of you out there > have strong > opinions on this! > > Please email me if I can give your name and contact > information to Anita. > Thanks! > > Steve Hargadon > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > email: steve at hargadon.com > phone: 916-899-1400 > web: http://www.k12computers.com > > > > Forward email > http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1100563562866&ea=0835329484 at worl > donline.co.za&a=1101048738974 > > > > > > This email was sent to 0835329484 at worldonline.co.za, > by steve at hargadon.com > > Update Profile/Email Address > http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&m=1100563562866&ea=0835329484 at world > online.co.za&t=1101048738974〈=EN > > Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) > http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&m=1100563562866&ea=0835329484 at world > online.co.za&t=1101048738974〈=EN > > Privacy Policy: > http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp > > > > > Powered by > Constant Contact(R) > www.constantcontact.com > > > > > Hargadon | 909A Spiva Avenue | Yuba City | CA | 95991 > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ISTE Magazine Looking for "Why Use Older Technology" Perspective > > I met Anita McAnear at the National Educational > Computing Convention (NECC) this year in > Philadelphia. She emailed me today because, as an > editor of ISTE's technology magazine ("Learning and > Leading with Technology"), she is looking for > someone who can discuss why "old cheap technology > everywhere can be better than new expensive but rare > technology." > > ISTE is the International Society for Technology in > Education, and they have a point/counterpoint > section in the magazine, and their focus for this > section in the October issue will be: Should > Schools Try to Be on the Leading Edge? > > She thought I might have a good resource for this, > since I sell refurbished computers to schools... And > I'm guessing (hoping) that some of you out there > have strong > opinions on this! > > Please email me if I can give your name and contact > information to Anita. > Thanks! > > Steve Hargadon > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > email: steve at hargadon.com > phone: 916-899-1400 > web: http://www.k12computers.com > > > > Forward email > http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1100563562866&ea=0835329484 at worl > donline.co.za&a=1101048738974 > > > > > > This email was sent to 0835329484 at worldonline.co.za, > by steve at hargadon.com > > Update Profile/Email Address > http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&m=1100563562866&ea=0835329484 at world > online.co.za&t=1101048738974〈=EN > > Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) > http://ui.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&m=1100563562866&ea=0835329484 at world > online.co.za&t=1101048738974〈=EN > > Privacy Policy: > http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp > > > > > Powered by > Constant Contact(R) > www.constantcontact.com > > > > > Hargadon | 909A Spiva Avenue | Yuba City | CA | 95991 > > > > > > > > > > > Attachment: << HtmlDocument1887.html >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 8 18:37:11 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:37:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c59c48$304abd30$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > You're doing a wonderful job in helping me with our first large- > usergroup based LTSP install at school. > Thnx for all your marvelous help ! > > Kevin Cool! I don't really mean to help :-) I am just trying to get mine going :-) But that is why I post everything out to the list, in hopes it will in turn help others. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 8/7/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Aug 9 12:05:07 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:05:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap BDC Message-ID: <42F89BF3.8090308@msln.net> I've tried manydifferent directions to make a Backup Domain Controller. Does anyone have any pointers? I have copied the sid from the pdc with net rpc getsid. I've run ssh ldap1.mylan.net slapcat | su ldap -c 'slapadd -c; slapindex' to grab the slapcat output to the bdc.I setup the slapd.conf file on the pdc and the bdc. All the changes are going into the replica folder, but do not seem to get to the bdc. Any help appreciated. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Aug 9 12:26:40 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:26:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] E-smith, SME server users question Message-ID: I have a firewall setup using sme6.01. I am running both squid and dansguardian on it. I have created 920 users on it so that I can control who has access to the internet. The problem I am having is when I look at the users through server-manager I only see about a third of the users. However, when I look at groups I can see all the users. I need to be able to see all the users so that I can lock some of the accounts as we have a small percentage of students whose parents do not want them on the internet. Any ideas? Thanks for the help. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From k12ltsp at hermon.net Tue Aug 9 12:23:30 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:23:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Comes And Goes Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Aug 8 2005 at 17:05 -0500 wrote: >But now a new problem has cropped up. Occasionally, when a thin client >logs out, the next person who logs in has no sound, but with a complete >reboot, does have sound. This is slightly inconvenient as rebooting 30+ >computers at the same time is really slow! > >any ideas? Anyone? Hey there! I just wanted to say that we have the same issue as well! For some reason, when a user that has sound enabled logs into a terminal for the first time, the audio will work with no problem! However, when that user logs off then another user logs in with sound configured, they can't play audio. Restarting the terminal however does resolve the issue. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." Webmaster of Brittany-Snow.com, Rachel-Boston.com, & HailiPage.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From k12ltsp at hermon.net Tue Aug 9 12:27:03 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:27:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Comes And Goes Message-ID: Sorry.. I forgot to provide some detail. We use K12LTSP 4.2.1 and we use Gnome in our district. ESD is the audio driver that is used. From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 9 14:32:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:32:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need suggestions for poor man's load balancing.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1123597972.25878.72.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 02:06, David Trask wrote: > I have just bought another K12LTSP server....had > the $$$...planning for the future and want to spread the load a little. I > read http://republico.estv.ipv.pt/~nmct/ltsp/ha/ltsp-ha-howto-en-gpl.html > and while it's intriguing....I think I have to give up too much at this > point to make it work. One of which is no static addresses in DHCP....I > need my static "reserved" addresses. There's always brute force: make hardware-address entries for the terminals you want to force to a specific server. Or you could probably go by vendor-tag if the numbers happen to work out for you. I've always thought it should "just work" to have each k12ltsp server run its own dhcp server with non-overlapping ranges (this is different from the backup dhcp server scenario). I think the current dhcp server defaults to being non-authoritative and won't NAK requests out of its range, so whoever answers first should win. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 9 14:36:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:36:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new lab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1123598181.25878.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 14:26, David Dees wrote: > We've just installed a new lab. We have only one issue....if more that > one user tries to access the same webpage at the same time...the second > user receives an error message. If they wait for the 1st user's page to > load they can then access the same page. There is nothing in k12ltsp that should cause this effect. Does it happen with all web pages or just a certain one? What is the error message? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 14:27:16 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:27:16 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap BDC Message-ID: <200508091644.j79GiO321490@downeast.net> did you add lines to /etc/openldap/slapd.conf?? like replica host=ipofbdc:389 suffix="dc=you,dc=yourdomain.com" binddn="cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomasin.dc=com" credentials=yourpw bindmethod=simple you need lines in your bdc /etc/openldap.conf updatedn "cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomain.dc=com" updateref ldap://ipofyourpdc > I've tried manydifferent directions to make a Backup Domain Controller. > Does anyone have any pointers? > I have copied the sid from the pdc with net rpc getsid. I've run > > ssh ldap1.mylan.net slapcat | su ldap -c 'slapadd -c; slapindex' > > to grab the slapcat output to the bdc.I setup the slapd.conf file on the > pdc and the bdc. All the changes are going into the replica folder, but > do not seem to get to the bdc. > Any help appreciated. > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 14:31:19 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:31:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Join a smbldap server with a linux machine Message-ID: <200508091648.j79GmR322250@downeast.net> if you are authing to windows pdc use winbind..if to an smbldap box use ldap..i use md5 shadow and ldap.. i have not yet used tls.. I am trying to make a login from a Fedora first just to learn how that > is done using authconfig > > but i am in a doubt if i should use LDAP or WINBIND as userinformation > and what kind of aproval i should use MD5, SHADOW, LDAP, KERBEROS, SMB > or WINBIND > > Jesper > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >If you are authing to a smbldap doamin you nedd to have /etc/ldap.conf > >right on the gentoo box..if it is at all like redhat..chuck > > > > > > > >>David Trask wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >>>Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:39 PM +0000 wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I want to login from a linux machine too, a gentoo box > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Have fun...since there's nothing like authconfig (a fedora/rh tool) for > >>>gentoo....you have to do it all by hand > >>> > >>>Maybe something like this will help: > >>> > >>>If you don't rely on 'authconfig', you can edit your > >>>/etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand, to have something like the following: > >>> > >>>#%PAM-1.0 > >>># This file is auto-generated. > >>># User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. > >>>auth required /lib/security/pam_env.so > >>>auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok > >>>auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass > >>>auth required /lib/security/pam_deny.so > >>> > >>>account required /lib/security/pam_unix.so > >>>account sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so > >>> > >>>password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 type= > >>>password sufficient /lib/security/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 > >>>shadow > >>>password sufficient /lib/security/pam_ldap.so use_authtok > >>>password required /lib/security/pam_deny.so > >>> > >>>session required /lib/security/pam_limits.so > >>>session required /lib/security/pam_unix.so > >>>session optional /lib/security/pam_ldap.so > >>> > >>>Warning: a special attention must be taken about the account sufficient > >>>parameters as it seems RedHat authconfig tools place it as 'required' in > >>>any case (which is not the way you'll need) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>David N. Trask > >>>Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >>>Vassalboro Community School > >>>dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >>>(207)923-3100 > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Okay it seems a little tough i found some help at the gentoo forums i'll > >>just have to play with it this week ... Thanks > >> > >>Jesper Berth > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 14:34:38 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:34:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap BDC Message-ID: <200508091651.j79Gpk322932@downeast.net> Whoopsie! > did you add lines to /etc/openldap/slapd.conf?? > > like > replica host=ipofbdc:389 > suffix="dc=you,dc=yourdomain.com" > binddn="cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomasin.dc=com" > credentials=yourpw > bindmethod=simple > > you need lines in your bdc /etc/openldap/slapd.conf > updatedn "cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomain.dc=com" > updateref ldap://ipofyourpdc > > > > > I've tried manydifferent directions to make a Backup Domain Controller. > > Does anyone have any pointers? > > I have copied the sid from the pdc with net rpc getsid. I've run > > > > ssh ldap1.mylan.net slapcat | su ldap -c 'slapadd -c; slapindex' > > > > to grab the slapcat output to the bdc.I setup the slapd.conf file on the > > pdc and the bdc. All the changes are going into the replica folder, but > > do not seem to get to the bdc. > > Any help appreciated. > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Gumprecht > > Data Systems Specialist > > MSAD3 > > Unity, ME > > gumprechtm at msln.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Aug 9 15:02:21 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:02:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap BDC In-Reply-To: <200508091644.j79GiO321490@downeast.net> References: <200508091644.j79GiO321490@downeast.net> Message-ID: <42F8C57D.1010404@msln.net> I did the pdc slapd.conf, But I did not do the bdc updatedn or updateref. I'll give it a try after I recover my crashed win 2k server with K12LTSP. Is it possible/acceptable to run a smb/ldap on top of k12ltsp EL? This is one of my small schools. Maybe 20 users (elementary) Mark cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >did you add lines to /etc/openldap/slapd.conf?? > >like >replica host=ipofbdc:389 > suffix="dc=you,dc=yourdomain.com" > binddn="cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomasin.dc=com" > credentials=yourpw > bindmethod=simple > >you need lines in your bdc /etc/openldap.conf >updatedn "cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomain.dc=com" >updateref ldap://ipofyourpdc > > > > > >>I've tried manydifferent directions to make a Backup Domain Controller. >>Does anyone have any pointers? >>I have copied the sid from the pdc with net rpc getsid. I've run >> >>ssh ldap1.mylan.net slapcat | su ldap -c 'slapadd -c; slapindex' >> >>to grab the slapcat output to the bdc.I setup the slapd.conf file on the >>pdc and the bdc. All the changes are going into the replica folder, but >>do not seem to get to the bdc. >>Any help appreciated. >>Mark >> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msln.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 15:07:41 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:07:41 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap BDC Message-ID: <080920051507.18726.42F8C6BD00065F120000492622070016419C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I ran smb/ldap on top of K12ltsp for 2 years with 600+ users. Never had any real problems (other than ones I created). The only thing that really got me was when I wanted to upgrade the server and it was also the authentication server as well. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > I did the pdc slapd.conf, But I did not do the bdc updatedn or > updateref. I'll give it a try after I recover my crashed win 2k server > with K12LTSP. Is it possible/acceptable to run a smb/ldap on top of > k12ltsp EL? This is one of my small schools. Maybe 20 users (elementary) > Mark > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >did you add lines to /etc/openldap/slapd.conf?? > > > >like > >replica host=ipofbdc:389 > > suffix="dc=you,dc=yourdomain.com" > > binddn="cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomasin.dc=com" > > credentials=yourpw > > bindmethod=simple > > > >you need lines in your bdc /etc/openldap.conf > >updatedn "cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomain.dc=com" > >updateref ldap://ipofyourpdc > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've tried manydifferent directions to make a Backup Domain Controller. > >>Does anyone have any pointers? > >>I have copied the sid from the pdc with net rpc getsid. I've run > >> > >>ssh ldap1.mylan.net slapcat | su ldap -c 'slapadd -c; slapindex' > >> > >>to grab the slapcat output to the bdc.I setup the slapd.conf file on the > >>pdc and the bdc. All the changes are going into the replica folder, but > >>do not seem to get to the bdc. > >>Any help appreciated. > >>Mark > >> > >>-- > >>Mark Gumprecht > >>Data Systems Specialist > >>MSAD3 > >>Unity, ME > >>gumprechtm at msln.net > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 9 15:51:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:51:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] An FTP question Message-ID: I was aked this question by a colleague....I'm not thinking clearly at the moment....working in my server room until 3 a.m. Anyone got an answer? Dave, Do you know if there is a way to inherit permissions from the parent directory when a child directory is created via ftp access to the parent directory. i.e. A user creates a directory for webpages on their computer and accesses the web server via FTP and places that directory on the webserver. This is the FIRST Linux server Dave has allowed me to do (high profile!). This NEEDS to work. :o)) Thanks, Dan David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lists at misato.us Tue Aug 9 15:49:41 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:49:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] An FTP question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F8D095.6010305@misato.us> Just make the FTP server set ownership to the user, and make a default umask that will allow all to read the files (and execute the dirs) Jason David Trask wrote: >I was aked this question by a colleague....I'm not thinking clearly at the >moment....working in my server room until 3 a.m. Anyone got an answer? > > >Dave, > >Do you know if there is a way to inherit permissions from the parent >directory when a child directory is created via ftp access to the parent >directory. > >i.e. A user creates a directory for webpages on their computer and >accesses the web server via FTP and places that directory on the >webserver. > >This is the FIRST Linux server Dave has allowed me to do (high profile!). >This NEEDS to work. :o)) > >Thanks, >Dan > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 9 16:21:05 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:21:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question Message-ID: <43AD92A9-7A4B-4844-80EF-AA63182384AB@inlandlakes.org> Hello all, I am installing 4.4.0 (pre) for the next school year. I have many iMac clients, and with 4.2.1, they simply netbooted to a login prompt. With 4.4.0, I get a grey screen with the X cursor, but no display manager... "normal" intel clients work great, and it doesn't matter what display manager I use (kdm, xdm, etc). Where do I begin troubleshooting? Also, the new eMacs I bought won't boot, but that doesn't really surprise me any (darn Apple). Thanks for any pointers, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 9 16:24:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:24:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a smbldap server with a linux machine In-Reply-To: <42FE6998.4020202@santaz.dk> References: <200508072321.j77NLcK15309@downeast.net> <42FE6998.4020202@santaz.dk> Message-ID: <1123604642.25878.104.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 16:43, Jesper Berth wrote: > I am trying to make a login from a Fedora first just to learn how that > is done using authconfig > > but i am in a doubt if i should use LDAP or WINBIND as userinformation > and what kind of aproval i should use MD5, SHADOW, LDAP, KERBEROS, SMB > or WINBIND RedHat/Fedora use a pam_stack module that takes a list of other settings so they only have to generate the system-auth list once. Other distributions might use a different technique or repeat all the entries for each service that uses pam. Winbind would pull user info from a windows pdc or AD, Ldap from your ldap server. SMB does authentication only so you have to create local accounts on machines using it but the password is checked against a windows PDC. The MD5 and SHADOW items have to do with the local password file formats if you have local accounts and local passwords on the machine. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 16:51:04 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need suggestions for poor man's load balancing.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050809165104.52207.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe the chooser can be set up in gdm.conf. They do call it "chooser", so just search the file for "chooser" -- also search for "ChooserButton" -Rob --- David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's my scenario...I have a big K12LTSP server, a > Samba/LDAP server, and > a seperate DHCP server on my school network. I have > it set up so that > everything is on the same subnet....no private > network for the LTSP stuff. > The DHCP server is a Fedora box that simply does > nothing else except > DHCP....I use the "next-server" option to pass the > boot info to the > terminals. Works great. I have just bought another > K12LTSP server....had > the $$$...planning for the future and want to spread > the load a little. I > read > http://republico.estv.ipv.pt/~nmct/ltsp/ha/ltsp-ha-howto-en-gpl.html > > and while it's intriguing....I think I have to give > up too much at this > point to make it work. One of which is no static > addresses in DHCP....I > need my static "reserved" addresses. Since I'm > using Samba/LDAP...syncing > users and so forth is not an issue....what I want is > to possibly set up > DHCP to fill up one server and once that's done...go > to the next one....or > possibly a "chooser" (think I saw one once) to allow > the user to choose > the server they want to access....or possibly > hard-coding machines into > one server or the other? I'm open to > suggestions....I'm hoping to tackle > this by the end of the week....fire away with your > ideas! > > also...could it be possible to do something similar > to what's being done > in > http://republico.estv.ipv.pt/~nmct/ltsp/ha/ltsp-ha-howto-en-gpl.html > > yet still use a seperate DHCP server? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Aug 9 17:08:13 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:08:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Samba/LDAP Message-ID: <42F8E2FD.3060607@honeygroveisd.net> On my Samba/LDAP server created using Matt's script, I get the following message when I try to access the "LDAP Users and Groups" Webmin module. Any suggestions? Failed to bind to LDAP server as cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=honeygroveisd,dc=net : No password, did you mean noauth or anonymous ?. Maybe your module configuration is incorrect. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 17:23:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:23:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question Message-ID: <200508091940.j79Jem325832@downeast.net> Shawn: it may be iorrelevant..but what are you using for a video driver..might try fbdev for the hell of it..chuck> Hello all, > > I am installing 4.4.0 (pre) for the next school year. I have many > iMac clients, and with 4.2.1, they simply netbooted to a login > prompt. With 4.4.0, I get a grey screen with the X cursor, but no > display manager... "normal" intel clients work great, and it > doesn't matter what display manager I use (kdm, xdm, etc). > > Where do I begin troubleshooting? > > Also, the new eMacs I bought won't boot, but that doesn't really > surprise me any (darn Apple). > > Thanks for any pointers, > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, > implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of > Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or > imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and > ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 9 17:40:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:40:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin and Samba/LDAP In-Reply-To: <42F8E2FD.3060607@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <002901c59d09$6bcc6130$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > On my Samba/LDAP server created using Matt's script, I get > the following > message when I try to access the "LDAP Users and Groups" > Webmin module. > Any suggestions? > > Failed to bind to LDAP server as > cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=honeygroveisd,dc=net : No password, did you mean > noauth or anonymous ?. Maybe your module configuration is incorrect. First, if you haven't, I recommend reading my email from yesterday on setting up the users and groups module. For the "Bind to LDAP server as" setting it looks like you should be using "cn=manager,dc=honeygroveisd,dc=net". Then in the section underneath called "Credentials for bind name above" click "Set to" and enter your smb/ldap password as set during the smb/ldap script installation. This should fix your error. But you will want to read the rest of the configuration guide to get your other settings right. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.3/66 - Release Date: 8/8/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 17:25:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:25:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap BDC Message-ID: <200508091942.j79Jgm326231@downeast.net> excellent reference is Jerry carters ldap system administration..especially the bdc section.. > I did the pdc slapd.conf, But I did not do the bdc updatedn or > updateref. I'll give it a try after I recover my crashed win 2k server > with K12LTSP. Is it possible/acceptable to run a smb/ldap on top of > k12ltsp EL? This is one of my small schools. Maybe 20 users (elementary) > Mark > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >did you add lines to /etc/openldap/slapd.conf?? > > > >like > >replica host=ipofbdc:389 > > suffix="dc=you,dc=yourdomain.com" > > binddn="cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomasin.dc=com" > > credentials=yourpw > > bindmethod=simple > > > >you need lines in your bdc /etc/openldap.conf > >updatedn "cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomain.dc=com" > >updateref ldap://ipofyourpdc > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've tried manydifferent directions to make a Backup Domain Controller. > >>Does anyone have any pointers? > >>I have copied the sid from the pdc with net rpc getsid. I've run > >> > >>ssh ldap1.mylan.net slapcat | su ldap -c 'slapadd -c; slapindex' > >> > >>to grab the slapcat output to the bdc.I setup the slapd.conf file on the > >>pdc and the bdc. All the changes are going into the replica folder, but > >>do not seem to get to the bdc. > >>Any help appreciated. > >>Mark > >> > >>-- > >>Mark Gumprecht > >>Data Systems Specialist > >>MSAD3 > >>Unity, ME > >>gumprechtm at msln.net > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 9 17:44:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:44:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <43AD92A9-7A4B-4844-80EF-AA63182384AB@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002a01c59d09$fa7c6510$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I am installing 4.4.0 (pre) for the next school year. I have many > iMac clients, and with 4.2.1, they simply netbooted to a login > prompt. With 4.4.0, I get a grey screen with the X cursor, but no > display manager... "normal" intel clients work great, and it > doesn't matter what display manager I use (kdm, xdm, etc). > > Where do I begin troubleshooting? > > Also, the new eMacs I bought won't boot, but that doesn't really > surprise me any (darn Apple). I haven't had a chance to boot from the new setup yet with any macs. Now I know there may be a problem I will give it a try. I will also see if I can get an eMac to boot. I just got 25 of them here so now I have some to play with. The way I got the Indigo to boot was to load a local copy of YDL then steal the XF86Config from it and move it to the server. Then called on it specifically from lts.conf. Maybe this is what needs to be done with the eMac. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.3/66 - Release Date: 8/8/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 17:40:34 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:40:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question Message-ID: <200508091957.j79Jvf328645@downeast.net> there may be something a little different in the dhcp area..i think i had troubles with the newest bunch of ibooks too..chuck > > I am installing 4.4.0 (pre) for the next school year. I have many > > iMac clients, and with 4.2.1, they simply netbooted to a login > > prompt. With 4.4.0, I get a grey screen with the X cursor, but no > > display manager... "normal" intel clients work great, and it > > doesn't matter what display manager I use (kdm, xdm, etc). > > > > Where do I begin troubleshooting? > > > > Also, the new eMacs I bought won't boot, but that doesn't really > > surprise me any (darn Apple). > > I haven't had a chance to boot from the new setup yet with any macs. > Now I know there may be a problem I will give it a try. I will also see > if I can get an eMac to boot. I just got 25 of them here so now I have > some to play with. The way I got the Indigo to boot was to load a local > copy of YDL then steal the XF86Config from it and move it to the server. > Then called on it specifically from lts.conf. Maybe this is what needs > to be done with the eMac. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.3/66 - Release Date: 8/8/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 9 17:59:31 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:59:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <200508091957.j79Jvf328645@downeast.net> References: <200508091957.j79Jvf328645@downeast.net> Message-ID: <98EAE7BE-E596-49B3-BDD5-7EE13423DAF3@inlandlakes.org> On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:40 PM, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > there may be something a little different in the dhcp area..i > think i had > troubles with the newest bunch of ibooks too..chuck Anyone seen the "grey screen" with just mac clients, while the intel clients are fine? (I almost half expected the eMac not to work -- but I thought the old iMacs would since they did with 4.2.1...) Thanks again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 17:59:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:59:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question Message-ID: <200508092017.j79KH1302117@downeast.net> never seen it though i have very few mac clients..i assume you have eliminated any network issues...hmmm..when you do netstat -anp|grep 2049 does it look like there is ipv4(0.0.0.0) or ipv6 going on??> chuck > On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:40 PM, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > there may be something a little different in the dhcp area..i > > think i had > > troubles with the newest bunch of ibooks too..chuck > > Anyone seen the "grey screen" with just mac clients, while the intel > clients are fine? (I almost half expected the eMac not to work -- > but I thought the old iMacs would since they did with 4.2.1...) > > Thanks again, > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, > implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of > Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or > imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and > ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 9 18:19:14 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:19:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <200508092017.j79KH1302117@downeast.net> References: <200508092017.j79KH1302117@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4B8412E8-F252-47CE-AF90-73C33286A64B@inlandlakes.org> On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:59 PM, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > never seen it though i have very few mac clients..i assume you have > eliminated any network issues...hmmm..when you do netstat -anp|grep > 2049 > does it look like there is ipv4(0.0.0.0) or ipv6 going on??> chuck I'm not near the client right now -- but it all boots great from the network, startx X, then hangs without starting the display manager... Really stinks. > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 9 18:40:59 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:40:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <4B8412E8-F252-47CE-AF90-73C33286A64B@inlandlakes.org> References: <200508092017.j79KH1302117@downeast.net> <4B8412E8-F252-47CE-AF90-73C33286A64B@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42F8F8BB.5060507@maltzen.net> This may not help, but check that the lts.conf file in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/ matches the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc. At the beginning of the summer I installed a beta of 4.2.1 on a test server because I got a Mac that I wanted to see boot. I used the beta because I just had those disks on hand. It worked fine, the Mac booted right up, there was harmony in the world, etc. In the intervening two months, the disk in my main terminal server, running 3.1.2, died. With a new hard drive, I installed the regular release of 4.2.1. My Intel clients booted just fine, but I got the grey X screen but no display manager. The problem turned out to be that my network is uses 172.26.18.x, which did end up in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file, but the lts.conf file for PPC was still set to the default 192.168.x.x settings. I changed that, and the Mac terminal came right up. You're using the 4.4, I understand, but the problem might be the same. HTH Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > > On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:59 PM, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> never seen it though i have very few mac clients..i assume you have >> eliminated any network issues...hmmm..when you do netstat -anp|grep 2049 >> does it look like there is ipv4(0.0.0.0) or ipv6 going on??> chuck > > > I'm not near the client right now -- but it all boots great from the > network, startx X, then hangs without starting the display manager... > Really stinks. > > >> > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation > should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 18:39:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:39:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question Message-ID: <200508092056.j79Kui308629@downeast.net> Petr: you are exactly right to take this course..chuck > This may not help, but check that the lts.conf file in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/ matches the > lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc. At the beginning of the summer I installed a beta of > 4.2.1 on a test server because I got a Mac that I wanted to see boot. I used the beta > because I just had those disks on hand. It worked fine, the Mac booted right up, there > was harmony in the world, etc. In the intervening two months, the disk in my main > terminal server, running 3.1.2, died. With a new hard drive, I installed the regular > release of 4.2.1. My Intel clients booted just fine, but I got the grey X screen but no > display manager. The problem turned out to be that my network is uses 172.26.18.x, > which did end up in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file, but the lts.conf file for PPC > was still set to the default 192.168.x.x settings. I changed that, and the Mac terminal > came right up. You're using the 4.4, I understand, but the problem might be the same. > HTH > > Petre > > Shawn Powers wrote: > > > > On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:59 PM, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > >> never seen it though i have very few mac clients..i assume you have > >> eliminated any network issues...hmmm..when you do netstat -anp|grep 2049 > >> does it look like there is ipv4(0.0.0.0) or ipv6 going on??> chuck > > > > > > I'm not near the client right now -- but it all boots great from the > > network, startx X, then hangs without starting the display manager... > > Really stinks. > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > Shawn Powers > > Technology Director > > Inland Lakes Schools > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > > ---- > > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation > > should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 9 19:04:21 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:04:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <42F8F8BB.5060507@maltzen.net> References: <200508092017.j79KH1302117@downeast.net> <4B8412E8-F252-47CE-AF90-73C33286A64B@inlandlakes.org> <42F8F8BB.5060507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <42F8FE35.2090200@inlandlakes.org> Petre Scheie wrote: > did end up in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file, but the lts.conf > file for PPC was still set to the default 192.168.x.x settings. I I'm at home now -- but I'd bet that's the problem. I use a 10. address scheme at the school, and my test server (the one that worked) I just used the default 192.168 address. I'm excited to go back and try it tomorrow! Thanks! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 20:30:34 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:30:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New SchoolBell release In-Reply-To: <429F3456.9030807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <429F3456.9030807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560508091330d5ba6d1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Eric, Is there a schooltool rpm in the works? I noticed that the current version is called rc2. Do you think that the version rc2 is ready for production? Thank you, peter On 6/2/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > The SchoolTool project has released SchoolBell 1.1. > > I built packages for K12LTSP and will add them to the repository after I > complete testing. > > If you would like to give the new package a spin, grab it at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.1-k12ltsp.4.2.0.i386.rpm > > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 9 20:38:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:38:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <4B8412E8-F252-47CE-AF90-73C33286A64B@inlandlakes.org> References: <4B8412E8-F252-47CE-AF90-73C33286A64B@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Try this....in OpenFirmware "Apple-Option-O-F" at boot and type in boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot (use your own IP address) See if it boots...if it does we can start there David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 9 21:04:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:04:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <42F8FE35.2090200@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002d01c59d25$e006a5d0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > > did end up in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file, but the lts.conf > > file for PPC was still set to the default 192.168.x.x settings. I > > I'm at home now -- but I'd bet that's the problem. I use a > 10. address > scheme at the school, and my test server (the one that worked) I just > used the default 192.168 address. > > I'm excited to go back and try it tomorrow! Yeah, the ppc lts.conf isn't built on install. It just uses a static lts.conf. I always have to change mine because I use a 10.xxx.xxx.xxx scheme as well. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.3/66 - Release Date: 8/8/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 9 21:22:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:22:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <42F8FE35.2090200@inlandlakes.org> References: <200508092017.j79KH1302117@downeast.net> <4B8412E8-F252-47CE-AF90-73C33286A64B@inlandlakes.org> <42F8F8BB.5060507@maltzen.net> <42F8FE35.2090200@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42F91EB2.2030407@maltzen.net> Does this qualify as a bug in the installer? In earlier releases of K12LTSP, if you deviated from the default network settings, you had to edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file by hand to incorporate the new network settings; that appears to happen automatically now. I wonder if the changes could happen automatically to the PPC lts.conf too. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> did end up in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file, but the lts.conf >> file for PPC was still set to the default 192.168.x.x settings. I > > > I'm at home now -- but I'd bet that's the problem. I use a 10. address > scheme at the school, and my test server (the one that worked) I just > used the default 192.168 address. > > I'm excited to go back and try it tomorrow! > > Thanks! > -Shawn > From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 21:50:10 2005 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Desperately Need help with Samba and Roaming Profiles In-Reply-To: <20050809160025.462BF73B2B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050809215010.44166.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone - it's been a while since i last posted - and today am in very desperate need of some assistance. I'm not even really sure where to start without this turning into a ten page essay. Basically, i was removing some old users from the system and fixing some permissions - when suddenly i could no longer get a newly added user to log onto a windows XP box - the error windows would prompt me with is "Windows cannot locate the server copy of your roaming profile and is attempting to log you on with your local profile. Changes to the profile will not be copied to the server when you log off. The filename, directory or volume label is incorrect" It would appear however, that samba is in fact creating a directory in PROFILES (the directory i tell smb.conf to use), but for some reason no files can be saved to that directory. I am trying to understand WHO is the user that has to be writing the contents of the /profiles/$U - I am pretty sure somehow i messed up permissions - but am at a total loss. i'm attempting to look in the log files - but i have no clue what it all means. I needs baby steps here so if anyone is willing to spend a bit of time with me to solve this problem - i would be ever so greatful. i am even thinking about taking away roaming profiles all together - the users don't really need it - but i don't know how to do that either babaliciouse at yahoo.com Thanks here is my smb.conf file # /etc/samba/smb.conf # samba configuration file # last updated: 2/28/2002 by tms [global] ;basic server settings workgroup = nwrc netbios name = samba server string = Samba PDC running %v socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY SO_SNDBUF=8192 SO_RCVBUF=8192 ;PDC and master browser settings os level = 64 preferred master = yes local master = yes domain master = yes ;add machine accounts add user script = /usr/sbin/useradd -d /dev/null -g machines -s /bin/false -M %u ;sync UNIX passwords unix password sync = yes passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u passwd chat = *New*UNIX*password* %n\n *Retype*new*UNIX*password* %n\n *Enter* new*UNIX*password* %n\n *Retype*new*UNIX*password* %n\n *passwd: *all* authentication*tokens*updated*successfully* ;security and logging settings security = user #set to NO when first adding new win 98 machines encrypt passwords = yes domain logons = yes log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m log level = 2 max log size = 50 hosts allow = 127.0.0.1 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 ;user profiles and home directory logon home = \\%L\%U\ logon drive = H: logon path = \\%L\profiles\%U logon script = %U.bat # ==== shares ==== [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writeable = yes [profiles] path = /samba/profiles read only = no writeable = yes browseable = no create mask = 0600 #default directory mask = 0700 #default ### create mask = 0777 ### directory mask = 0777 profile acls = yes [netlogon] comment = Network Logon Service path = /var/netlogon read only = yes browseable = no # create netlogon scripts # root preexec = /etc/samba/genlogon.pl %U %G %L [management] writeable = yes browseable = no path = /shares/management valid users = dalet,robem,wilgd,yuham, at management directory mode = 770 comment = Management Share create mode = 770 [administration] valid users = dalet,robem,yuham,wilgd,lena,kingd,murrd,pichj,willm,zimmr, at management, at administrate create mode = 777 writeable = yes directory mode = 777 browseable = no path = /shares/administration comment = Administration Share [instructors] valid users = dalet,robem,yuham,wilgd,lena,kingd,murrd,pichj,willm,zimmr,hiebk,lorac,samsp,samspp,michj,hansc,sonnk,rogef,averc,chrik,andeb, at management, at administrate, at instructor create mode = 777 force group = instructor write list = instructor writeable = yes browseable = no path = /shares/instructors comment = Instructors Share directory mode = 777 [students] valid users = dalet,robem,yuham,wilgd,goerl,kingd,murrd,pichj,willm,zimmr,hiebk,lorac,samsp,samspp,michj, at management, at administrate, at instructor, at student create mode = 0777 directory mode = 0777 browseable = no writeable = yes path = /shares/students comment = Students Share [generic] writeable = yes path = /shares/generic valid users = @generic browseable = no create mode = 0770 directory mode = 0770 comment = Generic Shares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 9 22:12:57 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:12:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff Message-ID: Hi all, Trying to load K12LTSP 4.4 (FC4) on my servers and I'm having the damndest time. I load disc one...it gets to the boot prompt...I hit enter and then it hangs....the last message is something like isapnp: No Plug & Play device found I've tired "noprobe"...no dice...I'm stumped and desperate...these machines are Intel mobo with dual Xeon's etc. Nothing funky. Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 9 22:12:32 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:12:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > Trying to load K12LTSP 4.4 (FC4) on my servers and I'm having the damndest > time. I load disc one...it gets to the boot prompt...I hit enter and then > it hangs....the last message is something like Sorry to ask the obvious -- but it's a good burned disk, and a good cdrom? Have you tried another cdrom drive? Try to eliminate any extra hardware that might cause hangs (like soundcard, etc -- although to be honest that's really a tip from years ago when device drivers weren't so good) Reseat everything... Try to install a different distro, see if it's FC4... I'll keep scratching my head if you can't figure it out. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 9 22:16:36 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:16:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F92B44.30703@stmarys-school.org> David, Just a shot in the dark but: what about taking a look at the bios settings. does knoppix boot? what ubuntu live cd? Maybe you can glean some info from one of those distros? John David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >Trying to load K12LTSP 4.4 (FC4) on my servers and I'm having the damndest >time. I load disc one...it gets to the boot prompt...I hit enter and then >it hangs....the last message is something like > >isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > >I've tired "noprobe"...no dice...I'm stumped and desperate...these >machines are Intel mobo with dual Xeon's etc. Nothing funky. Any ideas? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 9 22:24:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:24:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> References: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: As for the media....it worked on another plain 'ol P4 desktop that I used as a sandbox....I'm actually trying to do an NFS install...."linux askmethod"....but can't even get to that....as for hardware...this is a simple server...nothing extra...just what I had before....it's a production server I'm reloading for a new year (upgrade) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 9 22:25:13 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:25:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1123626313.25878.223.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 17:24, David Trask wrote: > As for the media....it worked on another plain 'ol P4 desktop that I used > as a sandbox....I'm actually trying to do an NFS install...."linux > askmethod"....but can't even get to that....as for hardware...this is a > simple server...nothing extra...just what I had before....it's a > production server I'm reloading for a new year (upgrade) I've seen some similar-looking problems mentioned about FC4 on the fedora list. Maybe it's trying to tell you to switch to the Centos4 based version... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 9 22:26:48 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:26:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >As for the media....it worked on another plain 'ol P4 desktop that I used >as a sandbox....I'm actually trying to do an NFS install...."linux >askmethod"....but can't even get to that....as for hardware...this is a >simple server...nothing extra...just what I had before....it's a >production server I'm reloading for a new year (upgrade) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > FWIW David I ran into the same thing two weeks ago on a Dell "server". It worked for a year and a half with FC2 but Could not load FC4, could not load CentOS. Ubuntu loaded just fine. It is a LAMP box and file server for Follette card catalog so I really had no compelling reason to go with a K12. John From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Aug 9 22:36:38 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:36:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff Message-ID: <20050809223640.GKMX1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I'm going to load 4.4 PR3 on a dual xeon dell tomorrow. This box has been working fine on k12-FC2 as well, just trying to get the summer upgrade done before school starts next week. I'll post my results tomorrow afternoon. Luis > > From: John Baillie > Date: 2005/08/09 Tue PM 06:26:48 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff > > David Trask wrote: > > >As for the media....it worked on another plain 'ol P4 desktop that I used > >as a sandbox....I'm actually trying to do an NFS install...."linux > >askmethod"....but can't even get to that....as for hardware...this is a > >simple server...nothing extra...just what I had before....it's a > >production server I'm reloading for a new year (upgrade) > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > FWIW David I ran into the same thing two weeks ago on a Dell "server". > It worked for a year and a half with FC2 but Could not load FC4, could > not load CentOS. Ubuntu loaded just fine. It is a LAMP box and file > server for Follette card catalog so I really had no compelling reason to > go with a K12. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 9 22:43:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:43:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> References: < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: FC3 version 4.21 works fine....dammit.....now I'm more stumped than ever...why won't FC4 install? Does anyone have any suggestions? What should I look for? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 9 22:29:59 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:29:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff Message-ID: <200508100047.j7A0l4315786@downeast.net> i have seen scsi driver probs on some raid cards..never pnp stuff...rhel4 just works..chuck FC3 version 4.21 works fine....dammit.....now I'm more stumped than > ever...why won't FC4 install? Does anyone have any suggestions? What > should I look for? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 9 23:11:22 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:11:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >FC3 version 4.21 works fine....dammit.....now I'm more stumped than >ever...why won't FC4 install? Does anyone have any suggestions? What >should I look for? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > After pulling my hair out on the fore mentioned box it was suggested to use a diffent kernel. Tell us a little about the server - You said this was a production server what brand and model # is it? From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 10 00:21:17 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:21:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> References: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <42F9487D.6020500@paasda.org> > It is a LAMP box and file > server for Follette card catalog so I really had no compelling reason to > go with a K12. > > John John, Have you found any OSS as a replacement for Follett by chance? I've looked(not dug hard) but haven't found anything solid yet. --Huck From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 00:19:05 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:49:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with Gnome and 100MB per terminal? In-Reply-To: <20050808185442.GA26862@bill.heins.net> References: <20050808185442.GA26862@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <774593a205080917194824845b@mail.gmail.com> On 8/9/05, Mike Heins wrote: > I am putting in a new LTSP configuration with 30 terminals. I have > a server with a dedicated 100MB ethernet using switches, and it has > the latest 4.2.x K12LTSP with Fedora Core 3. > > I have heard a number of things about memory and capacity, like > 50M per client, Gnome and KDE are unusuable, IceWM is lowest > memory, etc. But I would dearly love to use Gnome instead of > the rather clunky IceWM. > > What is the latest sense for capacity of a Gnome/Fedora Core 3 > K12LTSP setup? Is 30 terminals too much for a server with 3GB > of RAM (processor is midrange Athlon 2400+)? Go right ahead I do not tink there would be any problems. I use 100mbps and run iptraf to moinitor net traffic with twenty five plus users logged in I hardly see peaks beyond 20mbps ever, -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 10 00:25:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:25:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> References: < > < > < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > < > < > < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> < > <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 at 7:11 PM +0000 wrote: >After pulling my hair out on the fore mentioned box it was suggested to >use a diffent kernel. >Tell us a little about the server - > You said this was a production server what brand and model # is it? It's a whitebox from Daktech (www.daktech.com) Great server...I have several. Intel mobo...not sure which one, it has a part # of a77226-507....it's an Intel Server board. Processor....dual Xeon 1.8 ghz Embedded video....dual onboard nics....one is gigabit....Adaptec AIC 7899 SCSI ... 4 36gb scsi hd's David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 10 00:33:23 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:33:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Follette In-Reply-To: <42F9487D.6020500@paasda.org> References: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> <42F9487D.6020500@paasda.org> Message-ID: <42F94B53.6050200@stmarys-school.org> Huck wrote: > >> It is a LAMP box and file server for Follette card catalog so I >> really had no compelling reason to go with a K12. >> >> John > > > John, > > Have you found any OSS as a replacement for Follett by chance? > I've looked(not dug hard) but haven't found anything solid yet. > > --Huck > There was a project being developed in Australia or NZ that was looking promising. Have not looked into it for a while. I've got enough on my plate as it is. :-) From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 00:41:12 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:41:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool/schoolbell questions plus test Message-ID: <9bd3175605080917416735035a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have some schooltool/schoolbell questions. I'm really excited about this great software as I think it will make things run smoother and cut the paper consumption of our school/church quite a bit. I realize these questions might belong in the schooltool mailing list. I've installed schooltool-0.11rc2. However, it sounds like an updated schoolbell with school-specific utilities -might- be coming out before school starts. Does anyone know it that's really going to happen? If we do actually use schooltool (as it is now) can we upgrade or migrate the data to the new schoolbell? If it is coming out before Sept. is it worth waiting till the last minute? I do want to leave myself enough time to learn/teach it to people. The command to start the schoolbell server is "python schooltool-server.py". How to I set this to start in runlevel 3? I can't chkconfig --add it the way I could with the schoolbell rpm. Lastly, is anyone reading this email? I haven't gotten a response in about 2 months. Could someone drop me a line just to let me know the messages are coming through? Thanks so much, Peter From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 10 00:46:32 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:46:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: < > < > < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > < > < > < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> < > <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <42F94E68.4010602@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, August 9, 2005 at 7:11 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>After pulling my hair out on the fore mentioned box it was suggested to >>use a diffent kernel. >>Tell us a little about the server - >>You said this was a production server what brand and model # is it? >> >> > >It's a whitebox from Daktech (www.daktech.com) Great server...I have >several. Intel mobo...not sure which one, it has a part # of >a77226-507....it's an Intel Server board. Processor....dual Xeon 1.8 ghz >Embedded video....dual onboard nics....one is gigabit....Adaptec AIC 7899 >SCSI >... 4 36gb scsi hd's >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > This is very likely a bios setting. First I would suggest going into bios and changing the pnp operating system choice. There are two choices, pnp aware os or not pnp aware os. What ever is selected choose the other and see what happens. If it works... joy :-) If not change it back to the original setting. Then go to the section in the bios for on board devices OH hold on a minute... Google on Adaptec AIC 7899 I'll bet my bottom dollar thats where your problem lies. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 10 00:50:31 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:50:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool/schoolbell questions plus test In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605080917416735035a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605080917416735035a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F94F57.1010706@stmarys-school.org> Peter Hartmann wrote: >Hello, >I have some schooltool/schoolbell questions. I'm really excited about >this great software as I think it will make things run smoother and >cut the paper consumption of our school/church quite a bit. I realize >these questions might belong in the schooltool mailing list. I've >installed schooltool-0.11rc2. However, it sounds like an updated >schoolbell with school-specific utilities -might- be coming out before >school starts. Does anyone know it that's really going to happen? If >we do actually use schooltool (as it is now) can we upgrade or migrate >the data to the new schoolbell? If it is coming out before Sept. is >it worth waiting till the last minute? I do want to leave myself >enough time to learn/teach it to people. The command to start the >schoolbell server is "python schooltool-server.py". How to I set this >to start in runlevel 3? I can't chkconfig --add it the way I could >with the schoolbell rpm. Lastly, is anyone reading this email? I >haven't gotten a response in about 2 months. Could someone drop me a >line just to let me know the messages are coming through? > >Thanks so much, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > I have been having some problems with schoolbell on K12-EL. I got a quick response from their list and some suggestions but no joy. I'm going with http://webcalendar.sourceforge.net/ for the time being. John From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 10 01:13:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:13:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: <42F94E68.4010602@stmarys-school.org> References: < > < > < > < > < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> < > < > < > < > <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> < > <42F94E68.4010602@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 at 8:46 PM +0000 wrote: >Adaptec AIC 7899 I'm still not sure...FC3 (k12ltsp 4.12) installed just fine...no issues! Also....I just tried a new download of Fedora Core 4 disc 1.....still...same issue...so it's not the media. *Sigh* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Aug 10 01:14:20 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:14:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: < > < > < > < > < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> < > < > < > < > <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> < > <42F94E68.4010602@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <42F954EC.4070003@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, August 9, 2005 at 8:46 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>Adaptec AIC 7899 >> >> > >I'm still not sure...FC3 (k12ltsp 4.12) installed just fine...no issues! >Also....I just tried a new download of Fedora Core 4 disc >1.....still...same issue...so it's not the media. *Sigh* > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > David, Can you join # LTSP for a moment? John From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 10 01:41:40 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:41:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: <42F954EC.4070003@stmarys-school.org> References: < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> < > < > < > < > <42F94E68.4010602@stmarys-school.org> < > <42F954EC.4070003@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: hang on David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From genfil at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 02:51:05 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:51:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM acting weird Message-ID: Anyone help me out. I change the default desktop from Gnome to IceWM by changing the /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf. (The line DefaultSession=default.desktop change to DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop) 1. The splash screen of Open Office is blank(white) except for the progress bar. 2. A Nautilus window of the user's home directory pop up after login 3. The icons on the desktop disappear when the user clicks on the start menu. ( comes back after you click on the desktop or the when start is unfocus. What can I do fix these? From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 10 04:44:26 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World Message-ID: At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the "Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and we're absolutely blown away by this honour. We were nominiated for both 'Best Integration Solution' and 'Best Open Source Solution'. When both of those awards went to other projects, we kind of figured it was over, and we just wanted to get out of the room. But, we stayed till the end of the session, and the very last award given was the 'Best of Show' award. Never did we expect to receive such an award, but low and behold, they announced that by unanamous decision, the LTSP project had been chosen for Best of Show. I mention that here in both the ltsp-discuss and the k12osn mailing lists, because I truely feel that we ALL won this award together. Certainly, LTSP would be nowhere without the community of volunteers that has emerged from this project, and everyday, I'm thankful to be surrounded by so many people who care for doing whatever it takes to get the job done, and making LTSP what it is today. So, we should all enjoy the spotlight that winning this award will bring to our community. Thank you, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 10 05:56:30 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:56:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: < > < > <, > < > < > < > < > < > <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> < > < > < > <, > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <, > < > < > < > <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> < > < > < > < > <, > < > < > <, > < > < > <42F9381A.1020802@stmarys-school.org> < > < > < > <, > < > <, > <42F94E68.4010602@stmarys-school.org> < > <, > <, > <42F954EC.4070003@stmarys-school.org> <,> Message-ID: got it! I had to pass the kernel options linux askmethod noapic acpi=off (askmethod is for my NFS install) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 10 06:05:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:05:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] EU....freakin'.....REKA! I solved it! Message-ID: Got it! I was able to get the FC4 version K12LTSP 4.4 installed on my server! I had to pass the kernel options linux askmethod noapic acpi=off (askmethod is for my NFS install) Yay! So....if you had the same problem I did...that may "cure it"! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 10 06:09:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:09:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:44 AM +0000 wrote: >Certainly, LTSP would be nowhere without the community of volunteers >that has emerged from this project, and everyday, I'm thankful to be >surrounded by so many people who care for doing whatever it takes to get >the job done, and making LTSP what it is today. > >So, we should all enjoy the spotlight that winning this award will bring >to our community. Yay! We ROCK! (and Eric and Jim....really ROCK!) Beer for everyone! Lobster if you come to Maine! Can't wait until LinuxWorld Boston in the new convention center! :-) (Can you tell it's 2 a.m. and I'm still here at school banging my head against the wall? Trying to translate an Ubuntu Samba-LDAP how-to that was written in Dutch...did you know that banging your head against the wall burns 150 calories per hour! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 10 06:09:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:09:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:44 AM +0000 wrote: >Certainly, LTSP would be nowhere without the community of volunteers >that has emerged from this project, and everyday, I'm thankful to be >surrounded by so many people who care for doing whatever it takes to get >the job done, and making LTSP what it is today. > >So, we should all enjoy the spotlight that winning this award will bring >to our community. Yay! We ROCK! (and Eric and Jim....really ROCK!) Beer for everyone! Lobster if you come to Maine! Can't wait until LinuxWorld Boston in the new convention center! :-) (Can you tell it's 2 a.m. and I'm still here at school banging my head against the wall? Trying to translate an Ubuntu Samba-LDAP how-to that was written in Dutch...did you know that banging your head against the wall burns 150 calories per hour! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Aug 10 08:36:22 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:36:22 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Need suggestions for poor man's load balancing.... In-Reply-To: <1123597972.25878.72.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1123597972.25878.72.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200508100836.23100.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 09 August 2005 14:32, Les Mikesell wrote: > I've always thought it should "just work" to have each k12ltsp > server run its own dhcp server with non-overlapping ranges (this > is different from the backup dhcp server scenario). It just works if you have each k12ltsp server runs as a dhcp server, each with the same address range. I know this to be a fact, 'cus it is what we do, so yes it will just work with non-overlapping ranges. You can use iptables to limit a particular client access to specific servers. What you want is something like -A INPUT -m mac --mac-source 00:11:85:E3:C7:39 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -m mac --mac-source 00:11:85:E3:C8:F2 -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -i eth1 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable which will only accept connections from these two specific mac addresses or -A INPUT -m mac --mac-source 00:11:85:E3:C9:17 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable -A INPUT -m mac --mac-source 00:11:85:E3:C8:FF -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable which will accept connections from everything except these two mac addresses. We use the iptables method. We have two separate ltsp clusters, one with 30 clients connecting to 2 servers, and one with 90 clients connecting to 6 servers. Each server has be connected to the same lot of network cabling (to connect to the ypserver, internet, samba, etc) and yet using the above method, clients are only served by their designated servers. Before we used the iptables method, sometimes clients would connect to an invalid server. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 08:05:25 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:05:25 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool/schoolbell questions plus test In-Reply-To: <42F94F57.1010706@stmarys-school.org> References: <9bd3175605080917416735035a@mail.gmail.com> <42F94F57.1010706@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <92de6c8805081001052f66a416@mail.gmail.com> On 8/10/05, John Baillie wrote: > I have been having some problems with schoolbell on K12-EL. I got a > quick response from their list and some suggestions but no joy. > I'm going with http://webcalendar.sourceforge.net/ for the time being. Noooooo! Ah, well, I'm afraid our new release is crunching up against the hard deadline of the beginning of the school year, so I understand the concern. Peter Hartmann wrote: I've >installed schooltool-0.11rc2. However, it sounds like an updated >schoolbell with school-specific utilities -might- be coming out before >school starts. SchoolTool = SchoolBell with school-specific utilities. > Does anyone know it that's really going to happen? Yes, in the sense that SchoolTool 0.11 final will come out next week. > If >we do actually use schooltool (as it is now) can we upgrade or migrate >the data to the new schoolbell? Yes. > If it is coming out before Sept. is >it worth waiting till the last minute? >I do want to leave myself >enough time to learn/teach it to people. The final release of 0.11 will just have bug fixes over the current version, so it won't be significantly different than the release candidate. >The command to start the >schoolbell server is "python schooltool-server.py". How to I set this >to start in runlevel 3? I can't chkconfig --add it the way I could >with the schoolbell rpm. Eric Harrison has been making RPM versions of the final releases, and I assume he will do so for the final of 0.11 when it is done. Then you'll be able to set it to start on boot and do other daemony things. --Tom From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Aug 10 09:09:22 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:09:22 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] EU....freakin'.....REKA! I solved it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200508100909.22355.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 10 August 2005 06:05, David Trask wrote: > Got it! I was able to get the FC4 version K12LTSP 4.4 installed on my > server! K12LTSP 4.4 - are you sure? I thought 4.2.1 was the latest version. I've installed this version onto FC4 without any problems. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 08:14:37 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:14:37 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] New SchoolBell release In-Reply-To: <429F3456.9030807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <429F3456.9030807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <92de6c8805081001146cbded56@mail.gmail.com> On 6/2/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > The SchoolTool project has released SchoolBell 1.1. > > I built packages for K12LTSP and will add them to the repository after I > complete testing. > > If you would like to give the new package a spin, grab it at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.1-k12ltsp.4.2.0.i386.rpm Whoops, we've gotten a bit out of sync, Eric. SchoolBell 1.2 and SchoolTool 0.11 will be out next Tuesday, if all goes smoothly. There are release candidates (i.e., betas) on http://schooltool.org now. --Tom From johnny at msad41.us Wed Aug 10 10:40:08 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:40:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1123670408.42f9d98853913@www.msad41.us> Quoting Jim McQuillan : > At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the > "Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and > we're absolutely blown away by this honour. > CONGGRATS JIM and all the rest who are involved!!! A well deserved award for a project if there ever was one....a VERY John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From johnny at msad41.us Wed Aug 10 10:42:44 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:42:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1123670564.42f9da244d8f0@www.msad41.us> Quoting Jim McQuillan : > At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the > "Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and > we're absolutely blown away by this honor.... Congrats Jim and all the rest....a well deserved award for a project if there ever was one....especially in the educational realm where budgets are usually a little weak to say the least....thank you again for all you and the others do to keep this project progressing and available to all the rest of us...John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 10 10:53:14 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:53:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini Message-ID: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> Anyone knows how I can get rid of the automatically created dekstop.ini files in the Users share and profile folders? Kevin From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 10 11:54:36 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:54:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] EU....freakin'.....REKA! I solved it! In-Reply-To: <200508100909.22355.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <200508100909.22355.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1DA3E0B8-C417-47A1-9A02-15B8E39025BE@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There are two "current" versions. 4.2.1EL is the centos based version that tracks a stable RHEL like tree. and 4.4 is based on FC4. On Aug 10, 2005, at 4:09 AM, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Wednesday 10 August 2005 06:05, David Trask wrote: > >> Got it! I was able to get the FC4 version K12LTSP 4.4 installed >> on my >> server! >> > > K12LTSP 4.4 - are you sure? I thought 4.2.1 was the latest version. > I've installed this version onto FC4 without any problems. > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkL56v0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRXhwCfecypXgs7v/NdX92XtppsGjF5 LE8AoI5ll9UQhxGaPh2wNGu91syHsw45 =8XDl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Wed Aug 10 12:22:12 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:22:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Emergency: Cannot install 4.4....hanging on pnp stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 6:12 PM -0500 wrote: >Hi all, > >Trying to load K12LTSP 4.4 (FC4) on my servers and I'm having the damndest >time. I load disc one...it gets to the boot prompt...I hit enter and then >it hangs....the last message is something like > >isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > >I've tired "noprobe"...no dice...I'm stumped and desperate...these >machines are Intel mobo with dual Xeon's etc. Nothing funky. Any ideas? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David, I had a problem last fall with a new Daktech server installing core3 the problem ending up being that the CD-rom drive was to fast. I put in an older drive and it installed fine. Just a thought. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 10 12:56:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:56:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LON-CAPA? Message-ID: <1123678600.27557.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Just noticed a freshmeat.net announcement that LON-CAPA now runs on RHEL (thus should work on the Centos based k12ltsp). It looks like a monster, though. Has anyone looked at it already? http://www.lon-capa.org/ The freshmeat blurb: LON-CAPA (The LearningOnline Network with CAPA) is a learning content and course management system. It offers an underlying shared content pool from which instructors across departmental and institutional boundaries can assemble granular learning content for their courses. It has strong assessment capabilities, both formative (homework and in-class using wireless PDAs) and summative (online and bubblesheet exams), with a one-source multiple-target strategy for the content. It offers students portfolio space in which they can stage materials for submission to projects, and provides a number of tools for synchronous and asynchronous student-student and student-faculty communication. LON-CAPA scales well with number of students, as load-balancing is possible across the whole network of servers at participating institutions. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From webmaster at vol.org Wed Aug 10 13:03:08 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:03:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Follette In-Reply-To: <42F94B53.6050200@stmarys-school.org> References: <42F92A50.8040005@inlandlakes.org> <42F92DA8.6000003@stmarys-school.org> <42F9487D.6020500@paasda.org> <42F94B53.6050200@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1123678988.14807.0.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 19:33, John Baillie wrote: > There was a project being developed in Australia or NZ that was looking > promising. Have not looked into it for a while. http://www.koha.org/ -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 10 13:05:09 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:05:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] root script query Message-ID: Gretings To help control senior moments and distracted local users, how difficult would it be to develop a script that logs root out of the system after say three hours of inactivity? I imagine many processes run as root, but if keyboard activity can be isolated, maybe the script can monitor that and just log out, no? Thanks for any/all help Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 10 13:06:01 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:06:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM acting weird In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F9FBB9.10002@maltzen.net> For #2, see http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Turning%20off%20the%20automatic%20loading%20of%20Nautilus%20under%20IceWM down near the bottom. As for #1, I've noticed a similar kind of thing when I login to the server via vnc using 8-bit color; that is, if I run vncviewer on my laptop and point it at server:04, which is 800x600 at 8 bits-per-pixel. That's probably not relevant to your situation, but perhaps it suggests the color level on your client is too low. #3 also sounds peculiar. Combined with #1, I'd wonder if something funny was going on with the video card in the client. Try a different video card in the client, perhaps. Petre Jean Phil wrote: > Anyone help me out. > > I change the default desktop from Gnome to IceWM by changing the > /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf. (The line DefaultSession=default.desktop change > to DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop) > > 1. The splash screen of Open Office is blank(white) except for the progress bar. > 2. A Nautilus window of the user's home directory pop up after login > 3. The icons on the desktop disappear when the user clicks on the > start menu. ( comes back after you click on the desktop or the when > start is unfocus. > > What can I do fix these? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12osn at perusion.com Wed Aug 10 13:20:46 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:20:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] root script query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050810132046.GA6370@bill.heins.net> Quoting Alan A Hodson (ahodson at elp.rr.com): > Gretings > > To help control senior moments and distracted local users, how > difficult would it be to develop a script that logs root out of the > system after say three hours of inactivity? I imagine many processes > run as root, but if keyboard activity can be isolated, maybe the > script can monitor that and just log out, no? > xscreensaver in screen lock mode is the usual method. It doesn't log you out, but it protects you from people coming in and having their way with your system. Bash and tcsh both have an Autologout parameter, but I don't think you can measure things right with regard to X. Obviously if you were running on a shell-based console you could use that. Perhaps someone knows a way to get xscreensaver to log you out after a longer period of time (i.e. like turning off the display). -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 13:59:18 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:29:18 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a205081006591438e27d@mail.gmail.com> On 8/10/05, Jim McQuillan wrote: > At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the > "Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and > we're absolutely blown away by this honour. JIm Your baby is growing from strength to stregth, Congratulations! -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Aug 10 14:52:13 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:52:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42FA149D.9060008@cox.net> Congrats Jim, Thanks for all the hard work you put LTSP. Not only do you spend time writing code, but you always manage to help us out on the mailing lists and in IRC. This is a very well run project. It is very much appreciated. Luis Jim McQuillan wrote: >At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the >"Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and >we're absolutely blown away by this honour. > >We were nominiated for both 'Best Integration Solution' and 'Best Open >Source Solution'. When both of those awards went to other projects, we >kind of figured it was over, and we just wanted to get out of the room. >But, we stayed till the end of the session, and the very last award >given was the 'Best of Show' award. Never did we expect to receive such >an award, but low and behold, they announced that by unanamous decision, >the LTSP project had been chosen for Best of Show. > >I mention that here in both the ltsp-discuss and the k12osn mailing >lists, because I truely feel that we ALL won this award together. > >Certainly, LTSP would be nowhere without the community of volunteers >that has emerged from this project, and everyday, I'm thankful to be >surrounded by so many people who care for doing whatever it takes to get >the job done, and making LTSP what it is today. > >So, we should all enjoy the spotlight that winning this award will bring >to our community. > >Thank you, > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 14:17:36 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:47:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> References: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> Message-ID: <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> On 8/10/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Anyone knows how I can get rid of the automatically created > dekstop.ini files in the Users share and profile folders? > crontab? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Aug 10 14:53:49 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:53:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] EU....freakin'.....REKA! I solved it! Message-ID: <081020051453.14247.42FA14FD00065DC6000037A722007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> On my system, I just needed to type 'mediacheck' at the prompt to start the install (which of course failed since it is a non-sensical load option), followed by 'linux' and the install would work. It makes absolutely no sense why this would work but there are some posts that suggest it as a bizarre fix. I am glad you found another way around this. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Got it! I was able to get the FC4 version K12LTSP 4.4 installed on my > server! I had to pass the kernel options linux askmethod noapic acpi=off > (askmethod is for my NFS install) Yay! So....if you had the same > problem I did...that may "cure it"! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Aug 10 15:02:23 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:02:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] EU....freakin'.....REKA! I solved it! In-Reply-To: <081020051453.14247.42FA14FD00065DC6000037A722007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <081020051453.14247.42FA14FD00065DC6000037A722007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42FA16FF.8040705@saskforestcentre.ca> The ACPI=OFF command helps on my Toshiba laptop, too. Without it, the OS installs successfully, but no network is available. The adapter is identified, but the network doesn't work. This was solved during the Fedora Core 3 process, I believe, but I keep the ACPI=OFF, largely for historical (irrelevant) reasons. Angus Carr. dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >On my system, I just needed to type 'mediacheck' at the prompt to start the install (which of course failed since it is a non-sensical load option), followed by 'linux' and the install would work. It makes absolutely no sense why this would work but there are some posts that suggest it as a bizarre fix. > >I am glad you found another way around this. > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins > > > > >>Got it! I was able to get the FC4 version K12LTSP 4.4 installed on my >>server! I had to pass the kernel options linux askmethod noapic acpi=off >> (askmethod is for my NFS install) Yay! So....if you had the same >>problem I did...that may "cure it"! >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>(207)923-3100 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 16:22:37 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:22:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/9/05, Jim McQuillan wrote: > At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the > "Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and > we're absolutely blown away by this honour. > Congradulations Jim, Eric and all involved! LTSP/K12LTSP is THE future of computing in Education. Slowly *everyone* will realize this. I suspect that the growth rate of the installed base is growing geometrically. By 2010 I predict LTSP will touch half the schools in the world. Remember we here in North America have more money than most of the world so I see it growing more quickly in developing nations. The tide will sweep back from the outside. Although in hindsight I don't feel cost savings is the number one reason for adoption, others may. This sure is an exciting time. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lists at misato.us Wed Aug 10 16:39:25 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:39:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42FA2DBD.90706@misato.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >On 8/9/05, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > >>At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the >>"Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and >>we're absolutely blown away by this honour. >> >> >> > >Congradulations Jim, Eric and all involved! > >LTSP/K12LTSP is THE future of computing in Education. Slowly >*everyone* will realize this. I suspect that the growth rate of the >installed base is growing geometrically. By 2010 I predict LTSP will >touch half the schools in the world. > >Remember we here in North America have more money than most of the >world so I see it growing more quickly in developing nations. The tide >will sweep back from the outside. >Although in hindsight I don't feel cost savings is the number one >reason for adoption, others may. > >This sure is an exciting time. > > > You would be very surprised at how little money North American schools have for technology... (in one of the wealtiest counties in the US... it wasn't irregular for them to have to compromise down to 15-20 computers instead of the 25 they needed so they could get the licenses and hardware they needed. LTSP is good because it allows the schools to releverage the money they already spent and to get more slower computers instead of a few powerful ones. Jason From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 17:39:37 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to squidguard? Message-ID: <20050810173937.92118.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com> I'm using 4.2.0 with a standard install. I also included dansguardian. I wanted squid, squidguard, dansguardian and transparent proxying to run. BUT after doing a yum upgrade, squidguard and transparent proxy are gone! Where did they go? I LIKED them! Squidguard would filter out advertisements that DG doesn't filter. Is there a way to get the SG blacklists to be run be DG? Why did transparent proxy go away? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Aug 10 18:21:51 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:21:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap printers Message-ID: <42FA45BF.8050701@msln.net> This might be a dumb question.... My xp machines when connected to the smb/ldap server can not connect to networked printers. But if logged into the machine locally as admin, I can. How do I get printers to work? I setup cups on the server to share out the printer and I still can not connect to it. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:37:18 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:37:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool/schoolbell questions plus test In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805081001052f66a416@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605080917416735035a@mail.gmail.com> <42F94F57.1010706@stmarys-school.org> <92de6c8805081001052f66a416@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605081011376c00316b@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Tom! Mmmmmm...daemony. :) Peter On 8/10/05, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 8/10/05, John Baillie wrote: > > > I have been having some problems with schoolbell on K12-EL. I got a > > quick response from their list and some suggestions but no joy. > > I'm going with http://webcalendar.sourceforge.net/ for the time being. > > Noooooo! Ah, well, I'm afraid our new release is crunching up against > the hard deadline of the beginning of the school year, so I understand > the concern. > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I've > >installed schooltool-0.11rc2. However, it sounds like an updated > >schoolbell with school-specific utilities -might- be coming out before > >school starts. > > SchoolTool = SchoolBell with school-specific utilities. > > > Does anyone know it that's really going to happen? > > Yes, in the sense that SchoolTool 0.11 final will come out next week. > > > If > >we do actually use schooltool (as it is now) can we upgrade or migrate > >the data to the new schoolbell? > > Yes. > > > If it is coming out before Sept. is > >it worth waiting till the last minute? > >I do want to leave myself > >enough time to learn/teach it to people. > > The final release of 0.11 will just have bug fixes over the current > version, so it won't be significantly different than the release > candidate. > > >The command to start the > >schoolbell server is "python schooltool-server.py". How to I set this > >to start in runlevel 3? I can't chkconfig --add it the way I could > >with the schoolbell rpm. > > Eric Harrison has been making RPM versions of the final releases, and > I assume he will do so for the final of 0.11 when it is done. Then > you'll be able to set it to start on boot and do other daemony things. > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiang020 at yahoo.es Wed Aug 10 19:02:58 2005 From: christiang020 at yahoo.es (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?Gonz=E1lez?= G.) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:02:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-ThinAdmin, a graphical way for configuring LTSP Message-ID: <200508101502.58338.christiang020@yahoo.es> First of all, sorry for my english ;-) I'm developing a GPL application for configurate LTSP Thin Clientes in a graphical way. It's called LTSP-ThinAdmin. LTSP-ThinAdmin is a front-end for LTSP. It allows to manage thin clients configuration in a LTSP server, using a graphical interface. It is something like Symbiant Workstation Manager, but LTSP-ThinAdmin is a stand-alone application, not a webmin module. LTSP-ThinAdmin's home page is: http://ltsp-thinadmin.sourceforge.net Version 0.1 is tested and working (not perfectly) in K12LTSP-3.1.0 and EduLinux (both based on Red Hat 9). I'm working on version 0.2 for K12LTSP4.4.0 and EduLinux 2005. I *really* need some suggestions, bug reports and ideas, not only from software developers but from anybody who use LTSP. Please e-mail me to christiang020 at yahoo.es NOTE: this program is free (as in "freedom") and free (as in "free beer"). (Sorry for this off-topic.) -- Christian Gonz?lez G. http://ociomax.blogsome.com Instituto de Inform?tica Educativa Universidad de la Frontera -- Christian Gonz?lez G. Instituto de Inform?tica Educativa Universidad de la Frontera ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 10 19:38:10 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:38:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> Could you help me some more out? Kevin Op 10-aug-05, om 16:17 heeft Sudev Barar het volgende geschreven: > On 8/10/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> Anyone knows how I can get rid of the automatically created >> dekstop.ini files in the Users share and profile folders? >> >> > > crontab? > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 10 19:52:12 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:52:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> References: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> Message-ID: <42FA5AEC.4070104@paasda.org> man crontab as root: crontab -e this should open your default editor (vi for me) and you should be able to set up a cron job to run a script that will purge desktop.ini files..I'm not a script writer unfortunately, but there are many examples in the archives. --Huck Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Could you help me some more out? > > Kevin > > Op 10-aug-05, om 16:17 heeft Sudev Barar het volgende geschreven: > >> On 8/10/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> >>> Anyone knows how I can get rid of the automatically created >>> dekstop.ini files in the Users share and profile folders? >>> >>> >> >> crontab? >> >> -- >> Sudev Barar >> Learning Linux >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 10 20:01:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:01:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> References: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> Message-ID: <42FA5D12.7070600@maltzen.net> If you run this as root: find /home -name desktop.ini -ok rm {} \; it will find all the desktop.ini files in /home, and then ask you if you want to delete each one that it finds. The first time through, answer 'no' so that you still have some files to work with. Assuming you it finds the files you want to delete, you can change it to this: find /home -name desktop.ini -exec rm {} \; This will find the files and delete them without out asking you for confirmation. If that works as desired, put the command into a shell script: echo "find /home -name desktop.ini -exec rm {} \;" >delete_desktop.ini_files Then, edit your crontab file ('crontab -e') and schedule the delete_desktop.ini_files to run once a day, say, at 2:05am, like so: 05 2 * * * /path/to/delete_desktop.ini_files Good luck. Petre Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Could you help me some more out? > > Kevin > > Op 10-aug-05, om 16:17 heeft Sudev Barar het volgende geschreven: > >> On 8/10/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> >>> Anyone knows how I can get rid of the automatically created >>> dekstop.ini files in the Users share and profile folders? >>> >>> >> >> crontab? >> >> -- >> Sudev Barar >> Learning Linux >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 10 20:17:18 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:17:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <42FA5D12.7070600@maltzen.net> References: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> <42FA5D12.7070600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Wonderful, thnx a lot! Kevin Op 10-aug-05, om 22:01 heeft Petre Scheie het volgende geschreven: > If you run this as root: > > find /home -name desktop.ini -ok rm {} \; > > it will find all the desktop.ini files in /home, and then ask you > if you want to delete each one that it finds. The first time > through, answer 'no' so that you still have some files to work > with. Assuming you it finds the files you want to delete, you can > change it to this: > > find /home -name desktop.ini -exec rm {} \; > > This will find the files and delete them without out asking you for > confirmation. If that works as desired, put the command into a > shell script: > > echo "find /home -name desktop.ini -exec rm {} \;" > >delete_desktop.ini_files > > Then, edit your crontab file ('crontab -e') and schedule the > delete_desktop.ini_files to run once a day, say, at 2:05am, like so: > > 05 2 * * * /path/to/delete_desktop.ini_files > > Good luck. > > Petre > > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> Could you help me some more out? >> Kevin >> Op 10-aug-05, om 16:17 heeft Sudev Barar het volgende geschreven: >> >>> On 8/10/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Anyone knows how I can get rid of the automatically created >>>> dekstop.ini files in the Users share and profile folders? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> crontab? >>> >>> -- >>> Sudev Barar >>> Learning Linux >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Aug 10 20:25:26 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:25:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap printers In-Reply-To: <42FA45BF.8050701@msln.net> References: <42FA45BF.8050701@msln.net> Message-ID: <42FA62B6.2080607@msln.net> Tip.... Don't use the hp printer wizard to install the printer locally, it don't work. I uninstalled the software and just used the xp setup and it works. I still can not seem to get the server print que to allow printing frm winxp clients, haven't tried any others yet... Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > This might be a dumb question.... My xp machines when connected to the > smb/ldap server can not connect to networked printers. But if logged > into the machine locally as admin, I can. How do I get printers to > work? I setup cups on the server to share out the printer and I still > can not connect to it. > Mark > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Aug 10 21:14:22 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:14:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.4 - PR3 Message-ID: <20050810211422.KNTG15197.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Got it to install on a dual xeon dell. So far looks like both tftpd and dhcpd were disabled by default. Been a year since doing an install, this a bug? Luis From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 11 00:09:53 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:09:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.4 - PR3 - working? Message-ID: <20050811000952.STXM19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> ok, started tftp & dhcp. Why are no NFS exports created by the installer? Anyone have 4.4 PR3 working? Luis From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Aug 11 01:26:49 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:26:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World Message-ID: <200508110343.j7B3hk714152@downeast.net> On to November and the DevConf in Maine!!!!!!!!!!!!!chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 11 02:49:00 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:49:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.4 - PR3 - working? In-Reply-To: <20050811000952.STXM19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050811000952.STXM19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: yes...I got it working today....did you run /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12LTSP-initialize? If not...you should....that may fix a lot for you. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 11 02:58:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:58:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help verify bug....Samba/LDAP users on 4.4 Message-ID: Hi all, I need your help. I got my servers up and running today....got Samba/LDAP installed (both servers are 4.4 pre3...one running LTSP and one not) The Samba/LDAP server runs OK, but there's an issue....nscd keeps dying. It's a bug in bugzilla as far as I know....164464 . I want to verify if any of you are having the same problem. Can you check and see if your nscd daemon is running? Something like service nscd status Let me know what's up. Mine dies on reboot after about a minute....then if I restart it runs for quite a while so long as I don't log in as root or do anything like join a domain. To restart nscd you need to clear the database (which appears to get corrupted) cd /var/db/nscd rm -f * and then restart nscd I have this running as a cron job for now, but would really like to get it fixed. Can you verify? Only appears to affect 4.4 (or FC4 machines) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 11 03:47:41 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:47:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.4 - PR3 - working? In-Reply-To: References: <20050811000952.STXM19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <42FACA5D.7040102@cox.net> Not sure if it fixed it yet, had to run it remotely, but that script did a whle lot of changes. I'm sure it did the trick. Shouldn't this happen automatically post-install? Thanks for the help, David! Luis David Trask wrote: >yes...I got it working today....did you run >/opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12LTSP-initialize? If not...you >should....that may fix a lot for you. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 11 03:04:35 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > At Linux World conference and Expo today (Aug 9th), we won the > "Best Of Show" award. This is like the grand prize of Linux World, and > we're absolutely blown away by this honour. Congrats!!!! I'm am so bummed I had to miss the fun at LWCE! [1] -Eric [1] Not that I didn't have fun during the audit that was sprung on my department this week[2], and the long deposition I gave yesterday[3], and the hardware failures, and... [2] internal audit, we're not being investigated ;-) [3] we're not being sued either ;-) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 11 03:19:33 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to squidguard? In-Reply-To: <20050810173937.92118.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050810173937.92118.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, richard ingalls wrote: > I'm using 4.2.0 with a standard install. I also > included dansguardian. I wanted squid, squidguard, > dansguardian and transparent proxying to run. BUT > after doing a yum upgrade, squidguard and transparent > proxy are gone! Where did they go? I LIKED them! > Squidguard would filter out advertisements that DG > doesn't filter. Is there a way to get the SG > blacklists to be run be DG? Why did transparent proxy > go away? > > Thanks. "transparent-proxying" is in the squidGuard package. If SG is removed it will remove that service as well. Now, where did your squidGuard go? It is in the repository, so I don't see how an update could have removed it? What does /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo contain? It *should* be: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2 gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 Once you are sure your respository info is correct, you can get squidGuard back using yum: yum install squidGuard -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 11 03:23:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.4 - PR3 - working? In-Reply-To: <42FACA5D.7040102@cox.net> References: <20050811000952.STXM19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <42FACA5D.7040102@cox.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Luis Montes wrote: > Not sure if it fixed it yet, had to run it remotely, but that script did a > whle lot of changes. > I'm sure it did the trick. > > Shouldn't this happen automatically post-install? It should run automatically post-install, but only if you pick the "LTSP" install option (or pick the "Custom" install option and then select the "LTSP" package, or you pick "Upgrade" and the LTSP packages had been previously installed). If you do a regular server install and add the K12LTSP packages afterwards, the post-install script is not auto-magically ran. -Eric From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 11 04:19:46 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:19:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.4 - PR3 - working? In-Reply-To: References: <20050811000952.STXM19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <42FACA5D.7040102@cox.net> Message-ID: <42FAD1E2.4040305@cox.net> Did a custom and selected LTSP packages as well. Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Luis Montes wrote: > >> Not sure if it fixed it yet, had to run it remotely, but that script >> did a whle lot of changes. >> I'm sure it did the trick. >> >> Shouldn't this happen automatically post-install? > > > It should run automatically post-install, but only if you pick the > "LTSP" install option (or pick the "Custom" install option and then > select the "LTSP" package, or you pick "Upgrade" and the LTSP packages > had been previously installed). > > If you do a regular server install and add the K12LTSP packages > afterwards, > the post-install script is not auto-magically ran. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 03:42:13 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:12:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: References: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> <42FA5D12.7070600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a205081020427fb51e18@mail.gmail.com> On 8/11/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Wonderful, thnx a lot! > > Kevin > What a wonderful community. I gave a rather quick and cyptic answer yesterday night before getting into bed ( I am in India) and by the time I wake up in the morning step by step round robbin discussion is completed and Peter wrote out almost a full tutorial on step by step script development process. Way to go. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 11 03:56:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:56:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap printers In-Reply-To: <42FA62B6.2080607@msln.net> References: <42FA45BF.8050701@msln.net> <42FA62B6.2080607@msln.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 4:25 PM +0000 wrote: >Tip.... Don't use the hp printer wizard to install the printer locally, >it don't work. I uninstalled the software and just used the xp setup and >it works. I still can not seem to get the server print que to allow >printing frm winxp clients, haven't tried any others yet... >Mark Assuming they are network printers...set it up as an HP jetdirect in the printer setup.....all my printers are network printers....do it as a local printer...create a Standard TCP/IP port and add it that way....NOT as a network printer David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Aug 11 06:08:42 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:08:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <774593a205081020427fb51e18@mail.gmail.com> References: <7A83A2F0-868B-4C39-AAC4-C3553C24FFEF@telenet.be> <774593a205081007173cfef7bf@mail.gmail.com> <73C9D050-D28B-4668-8B63-11CDC8040E4F@telenet.be> <42FA5D12.7070600@maltzen.net> <774593a205081020427fb51e18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05068533-F2CE-4EAF-BFD9-2E8BEC3333C3@telenet.be> One more question: Is there a way to prevent them from being created, without getting errors on the window$ side? Kevin Op 11-aug-05, om 05:42 heeft Sudev Barar het volgende geschreven: > On 8/11/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > >> Wonderful, thnx a lot! >> >> Kevin >> >> >> > > What a wonderful community. I gave a rather quick and cyptic answer > yesterday night before getting into bed ( I am in India) and by the > time I wake up in the morning step by step round robbin discussion is > completed and Peter wrote out almost a full tutorial on step by step > script development process. > Way to go. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Aug 11 08:35:54 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:35:54 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] root script query In-Reply-To: <20050810132046.GA6370@bill.heins.net> References: <20050810132046.GA6370@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <200508110835.54767.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 10 August 2005 13:20, Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting Alan A Hodson (ahodson at elp.rr.com): > > Gretings > > > > To help control senior moments and distracted local users, how > > difficult would it be to develop a script that logs root out of the > > system after say three hours of inactivity? I imagine many processes > > run as root, but if keyboard activity can be isolated, maybe the > > script can monitor that and just log out, no? > > xscreensaver in screen lock mode is the usual method. It doesn't log you > out, but it protects you from people coming in and having their way with > your system. > > Bash and tcsh both have an Autologout parameter, but I don't think > you can measure things right with regard to X. Obviously if you were > running on a shell-based console you could use that. TMOUT is the way to go here > Perhaps someone knows a way to get xscreensaver to log you out after > a longer period of time (i.e. like turning off the display). I think one way to do this would be to write a C program which grabs the postion of the mouse cursor, goes to sleep for a specified time and then grabs the position again. If it hasn't moved, assume the user is inactive and log them off. Tracking the position of the mouse cursor is easy (I have written a C program that does this). Sleeping is a bit more tricky but possible. What I don't know, is how to logoff the user. Also, I don't know how a screen saver affects the position of the mouse. Another solution is to look at logmon available at http://computronics.com/ I intend to implement this when I have some time. I think 3 hours of inactivity is way to long. I reckon 15 mins to be more acceptable. If you are sitting at a vdu you should be using it. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 11:44:20 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:44:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help verify bug....Samba/LDAP users on 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42FB3A14.8040700@comcast.net> I have had to turn nscd off since with it on, users can't even log in properly since the account ownership isn't handled correctly except for root. Not sure what is going on, but did find a note about a possible bug affecting nscd on FC4 with SELinux. As I understand it, nscd offloads lookups from the ldap service. May be an issue for me when 300+ try to log in. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I need your help. I got my servers up and running today....got Samba/LDAP >installed (both servers are 4.4 pre3...one running LTSP and one not) The >Samba/LDAP server runs OK, but there's an issue....nscd keeps dying. It's >a bug in bugzilla as far as I know....164464 . I want to verify if any of >you are having the same problem. Can you check and see if your nscd >daemon is running? Something like service nscd status Let me know >what's up. Mine dies on reboot after about a minute....then if I restart >it runs for quite a while so long as I don't log in as root or do anything >like join a domain. To restart nscd you need to clear the database (which >appears to get corrupted) > >cd /var/db/nscd >rm -f * > >and then restart nscd > >I have this running as a cron job for now, but would really like to get it >fixed. Can you verify? Only appears to affect 4.4 (or FC4 machines) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Aug 11 12:15:24 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:15:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help verify bug....Samba/LDAP users on 4.4 Message-ID: <200508111432.j7BEWH112489@downeast.net> we also hadto turn off nscd in rhel4..gave really fluky results..chuck > I have had to turn nscd off since with it on, users can't even log in > properly since the account ownership isn't handled correctly except for > root. Not sure what is going on, but did find a note about a possible > bug affecting nscd on FC4 with SELinux. As I understand it, nscd > offloads lookups from the ldap service. May be an issue for me when > 300+ try to log in. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > David Trask wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I need your help. I got my servers up and running today....got Samba/LDAP > >installed (both servers are 4.4 pre3...one running LTSP and one not) The > >Samba/LDAP server runs OK, but there's an issue....nscd keeps dying. It's > >a bug in bugzilla as far as I know....164464 . I want to verify if any of > >you are having the same problem. Can you check and see if your nscd > >daemon is running? Something like service nscd status Let me know > >what's up. Mine dies on reboot after about a minute....then if I restart > >it runs for quite a while so long as I don't log in as root or do anything > >like join a domain. To restart nscd you need to clear the database (which > >appears to get corrupted) > > > >cd /var/db/nscd > >rm -f * > > > >and then restart nscd > > > >I have this running as a cron job for now, but would really like to get it > >fixed. Can you verify? Only appears to affect 4.4 (or FC4 machines) > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Aug 11 12:46:41 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:46:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] quotas Message-ID: <42FB48B1.4070106@msln.net> Is there a way to apply quotas to users already in the smbldap system? Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 11 13:09:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:09:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c59e75$d866b8a0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > We were nominiated for both 'Best Integration Solution' and > 'Best Open Source Solution'. When both of those awards went > to other projects, we kind of figured it was over, and we > just wanted to get out of the room. But, we stayed till the > end of the session, and the very last award given was the > 'Best of Show' award. Never did we expect to receive such an > award, but low and behold, they announced that by unanamous > decision, the LTSP project had been chosen for Best of Show. Awesome! I knew I was following this project for a reason. You know you always feel that your own projects are worthwhile, but receiving an award like this gives you an unbiased opinion. Congratulations. And to be nominated for Best Integration Solution and Best Open Source Solution is an acheivement in itself! This project is great. And not to pat ourselves on the back, but the community definitely makes a difference. I have looked at a ton of open source projects over the last 5 years I have followed Linux. But I have not once seen any project that has such good open involvement from its community members. No person who joins these mailing lists is ever turned down for being a newbee or for asking a "stupid" question. Many other forums quickly scold you and tell you to move on. Also when working at the LTSP booth at Linux World Boston, I noticed that it was the only booth with a large group of community members helping out. Those things make this a very attractive project. And of course, you also have the fact that this is an awesome idea/project. Its usefullness not only covers education but all the way to corporations. There are a multitude of uses. So without going on too much, excellent job. Jim, you've earned it! Go ahead and take the next two days off :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 11 13:26:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:26:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] quotas In-Reply-To: <42FB48B1.4070106@msln.net> Message-ID: <001801c59e78$3c1cc630$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Is there a way to apply quotas to users already in the > smbldap system? Mark I can't be positive about past releases, but with the version 2.0-alpha the answer for me was yes. From within Webmin I went in to the Disk and Network Filesystems and enabled user and group quotas for /home. Then went into Disk Quotas and clicked enable quotas. If you have a large home drive (mine is 1.2TB) don't be turned off here, after clicking Enable Quotas your /home will show up as read only until all the proper things for enabling quotas finish running. For a drive the size of mine this took about 45 minutes. And in the meantime your webmin module doesn't give you any indication of what is going on. So my advice would be click it, and go to lunch, a long lunch. When you come back your webmin link should have changed from Enable Quotas to Disable quotas. Then you can click on /home (users) and select from a list of your current LDAP users and give them quotas. Oh, either reboot the system after enabling quotas in Disk and Network Filesystems, or unmount and re-mount /home. Also remember for quotas to work on separate filesystems and not just globally on the whole system, you need to be sure your filesystems reside on their own partition. Hope that helps. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 11 13:53:12 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:53:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question In-Reply-To: <42F91EB2.2030407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <001a01c59e7c$03f63e90$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Does this qualify as a bug in the installer? In earlier > releases of K12LTSP, if you > deviated from the default network settings, you had to edit the > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file by hand to incorporate the > new network settings; that > appears to happen automatically now. I wonder if the changes > could happen automatically > to the PPC lts.conf too. I don't think this would qualify as a bug. The ppc portion is just static. I don't believe there is any portion that builds on install like with the i386 tree. This is sort of why the XF86Config setup has a little trouble. I think this was just custom built and then thrown into the ppc tree. So if you want any changes from standard in the PPC tree you need to do it manually. However I believe that Jim M mentioned in the past that this could possibly be changed with Project MueKow. A thought just popped into my head, instead of writing a whole batch of new scripts to build lts.conf for the ppc tree could one simply add enough scripting to the file that would have variables in the couple fields that would be the same between the i386 lts.conf and the ppc lts.conf that simply pull the values from the i386 lts.conf and plug them into the ppc lts.conf? Does that make any sense :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 8/10/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Aug 11 14:13:37 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:13:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] quotas In-Reply-To: <001801c59e78$3c1cc630$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001801c59e78$3c1cc630$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42FB5D11.6040409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> From the command line you could use edquota -p model_user username model_user is an account that you have already setup with the quota's you want. This would be hard to script say reading a csv file of the users you want to apply it to. Brian Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Is there a way to apply quotas to users already in the >>smbldap system? Mark > > > I can't be positive about past releases, but with the version 2.0-alpha > the answer for me was yes. From within Webmin I went in to the Disk and > Network Filesystems and enabled user and group quotas for /home. Then > went into Disk Quotas and clicked enable quotas. If you have a large > home drive (mine is 1.2TB) don't be turned off here, after clicking > Enable Quotas your /home will show up as read only until all the proper > things for enabling quotas finish running. For a drive the size of mine > this took about 45 minutes. And in the meantime your webmin module > doesn't give you any indication of what is going on. So my advice would > be click it, and go to lunch, a long lunch. When you come back your > webmin link should have changed from Enable Quotas to Disable quotas. > Then you can click on /home (users) and select from a list of your > current LDAP users and give them quotas. > > Oh, either reboot the system after enabling quotas in Disk and Network > Filesystems, or unmount and re-mount /home. Also remember for quotas to > work on separate filesystems and not just globally on the whole system, > you need to be sure your filesystems reside on their own partition. > > Hope that helps. > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 14:45:13 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:45:13 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't mount exported FS from FC4 Message-ID: <081120051445.10473.42FB64790007EEC5000028E922070206539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Ok, I think I have lost my mind. I have exported /home from my FC4 server and it works fine. Now, I need to export several other directories, but they do not export correctly. I have added them to /etc/exports with identical setup to /home on the server. On my other servers, I have modified /etc/fstab to mount them (with the same permissions as /home). exportsfs -a exports them, but I can't mount them on the other servers. This is true for any directory I want to export , the only exception being /home, /home exports and mounts fine. I have never had problems exporting/nfs mounting directories until now with FC4. The nfs error is "permission denied". SELinux is supposed to be disabled (I checked its config file, and also ran system-config-security which has the option of enabling SELinux unchecked). A google for the error message turned up another user who ended up completely re-installing the OS to fix the problem. Has anyone ran into this issue? Better yet, does anyone have suggestions on how to fix it? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Aug 11 15:50:13 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:50:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] quotas In-Reply-To: <001801c59e78$3c1cc630$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001801c59e78$3c1cc630$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42FB73B5.4080905@msln.net> Thanks for the lead. I went into webmin, I had already enabled user/group quotas, but didn't , at the time, see howto replicate the size I wanted. If one was to go into the user quota side and just chose a user to edit a quota on, you can set the wanted quota on that user. Save that setting and go right back into editing that user again. Only this time click on list all quotas, and the click on copy quota. The rest is self explanitory. Thanks again, Mark Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Is there a way to apply quotas to users already in the >>smbldap system? Mark >> >> > >I can't be positive about past releases, but with the version 2.0-alpha >the answer for me was yes. From within Webmin I went in to the Disk and >Network Filesystems and enabled user and group quotas for /home. Then >went into Disk Quotas and clicked enable quotas. If you have a large >home drive (mine is 1.2TB) don't be turned off here, after clicking >Enable Quotas your /home will show up as read only until all the proper >things for enabling quotas finish running. For a drive the size of mine >this took about 45 minutes. And in the meantime your webmin module >doesn't give you any indication of what is going on. So my advice would >be click it, and go to lunch, a long lunch. When you come back your >webmin link should have changed from Enable Quotas to Disable quotas. >Then you can click on /home (users) and select from a list of your >current LDAP users and give them quotas. > >Oh, either reboot the system after enabling quotas in Disk and Network >Filesystems, or unmount and re-mount /home. Also remember for quotas to >work on separate filesystems and not just globally on the whole system, >you need to be sure your filesystems reside on their own partition. > >Hope that helps. > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 11 16:12:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:12:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help verify bug....Samba/LDAP users on 4.4 In-Reply-To: <001901c59e79$48fc4190$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c59e79$48fc4190$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Jim Kronebusch" on Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 9:33 AM +0000 wrote: >> I need your help. I got my servers up and running >> today....got Samba/LDAP installed (both servers are 4.4 >> pre3...one running LTSP and one not) The Samba/LDAP server >> runs OK, but there's an issue....nscd keeps dying. It's a >> bug in bugzilla as far as I know....164464 . I want to >> verify if any of you are having the same problem. Can you >> check and see if your nscd >> daemon is running? Something like service nscd status Let me know >> what's up. Mine dies on reboot after about a minute....then >> if I restart it runs for quite a while so long as I don't log >> in as root or do anything like join a domain. > >Mine was indeed dead. Maybe this explains some intermittent problems I >have had. When I issued service nscd status I received the message >"nscd dead but subsys locked". I restarted with /etc/init.d/nscd start >and it ran for about 30-40 seconds and then died with the same message. ************** Clearing the database appears to keep it running longer. It's a pretty prevalent bug on bugzilla (redhat)...so I suspect a fix will come soon. >From what I read it is a problem with nscd and gcc....possibly a bad build. One guy mentioned that updating to the newest nscd in "rawhide" (which I can't figure out how to access) seems to have fixed it for him. Another said updating to the testing version of glibc and nscd did it, but then he had bigger issues later on...such as getent not working thus it makes the server so ssh and all those types of services quit. So....not sure whether to wait or downgrade my Samba/LDAP server....no users on it yet so it's not a big deal....yet. ************** > > >> To restart >> nscd you need to clear the database (which appears to get corrupted) >> >> cd /var/db/nscd >> rm -f * >> >> and then restart nscd >> >> I have this running as a cron job for now, but would really >> like to get it fixed. Can you verify? Only appears to >> affect 4.4 (or FC4 machines) > >I am running 4.4.0 Pre3 at the moment with smb/ldap 2.0-alpha. >Everything has been freshly yum updated. Performing the cd /var/db/nscd >and rm -f * and restarting as you suggested appears to have kept it >running. ***************** It'll run for a while, but will eventually die, hence my cron job....which runs every 5 mins. I just made an executable out of: cd /var/db/nscd rm -f * /sbin/service nscd restart then chmod the file with a+x I then used webmin to make it a cron job that ran every 5 mins. ****************** > > >Keep me posted on what you find with this. How often do you have your >cron run at the moment? Could you send me you file quick? Also, what >exactly are the problems you see when nscd dies? ****************** problems? lot of difficulty joining the domain....I was able to join right after reboot and I attribute that to nscd still running. LDAP can be a bit slow thus nscd helps in that manner with caching. > > >Thanks Dave David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 11 16:11:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:11:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help verify bug....Samba/LDAP users on 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: <001901c59e79$48fc4190$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1123776710.18611.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 11:12, David Trask wrote: > So....not > sure whether to wait or downgrade my Samba/LDAP server....no users on it > yet so it's not a big deal....yet. Do you see a big performance hit or load on the LDAP server if you leave nscd off? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From chan at sacredsf.org Thu Aug 11 16:09:52 2005 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP takes 'Best of Show' award at Linux World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let me throw in my congratulations and appreciation for all the work that went into LTSP and in particular, K12LTSP. Just yesterday, almost immediately after burning the last CD from the distribution, I and a few of my colleagues had a demo day with the software and had a working thin client school lab using old almost discarded laptops in less than 15 minutes from starting up the server. Definitely one of the most pleasant new software installation experiences in my time working with computers! -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Thu Aug 11 16:35:40 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:35:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Freeing Server Memory In-Reply-To: <20050811160057.0CBCC73BF4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I've got the Enterprise Linux (Centos) running on a Dell 1425SC with two Xeon processor and 4 gigabytes of memory. I'm also serving DHCP for our network and serving about 19 thin clients that are PXE booting to the K12LTSP server. When I first started the server last month I was using about 240 MB of RAM and today I noticed that was up to over 2 gigabytes of RAM. I recently ran "up2date" and updated the kernel and all packages. I am running the smp kernel. How can I keep my memory free? Any suggestions? Thanks, Don "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"--Ralph Waldo Emerson Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 This message may contain confidential information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only. Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 11 17:07:02 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:07:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More 4.4 PR3 feedback Message-ID: <20050811170705.DLML19627.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Got it up and running after executing the K12 initialize script. Great work so far, Eric. Few minor things: 1. the MS OOo default formats scripts no longer works, and setting OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 no longer works either. 2. The start menu isn't set for Icewm. There's just a few items available in the menu. 3. The "start here" program isn't available on the desktops. Looking forword to the final release, Luis From k12osn at perusion.com Thu Aug 11 17:07:54 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:07:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Freeing Server Memory In-Reply-To: References: <20050811160057.0CBCC73BF4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050811170754.GA26917@bill.heins.net> Quoting DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org): > I've got the Enterprise Linux (Centos) running on a Dell 1425SC with two > Xeon processor and 4 gigabytes of memory. I'm also serving DHCP for our > network and serving about 19 thin clients that are PXE booting to the > K12LTSP server. When I first started the server last month I was using > about 240 MB of RAM and today I noticed that was up to over 2 gigabytes of > RAM. I recently ran "up2date" and updated the kernel and all packages. I > am running the smp kernel. How can I keep my memory free? Any > suggestions? > My suggestion is not to worry about it. You will probably notice that a lot of that memory is in buffers and cache; this is good. In fact, you don't really want/need memory free. You want it working for you. If you are talking about the quiescent condition prior to clients logging in, then perhaps it might be nice to have the memory "free". But memory in cache and buffers is just as good; that will be cannibalized as necessary. You mention Centos, but without version we can't know the kernel version. If it is a 2.6.x kernel, the Linux memory manager does an outstanding job of maintaining virtual memory. When a system is running its normal workload, you actually want little memory free; because the more that is used in buffers and cache the better your application performance will be (presuming those applications read disk). If you have an older 2.4.x kernel, consider an upgrade. I have been running Linux servers for 10 years. The virtual memory manager in 2.6.x does a much better job than the prior kernels, and should allow your system to handle its workload in the most efficient fashion. I run 2.6.x exclusively now for this reason. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Friends don't let friends use Outlook. -- Bob Blaylock From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Aug 11 19:20:51 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:20:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NX on osx References: Message-ID: Hello, I'm trying to get freenx working togheter with mij OS 10.4 laptop. But the story always ends with the TCP_NODELAY error. I already disabled the setting in the node.conf file, but I don't seem to get any further. On Windows the connection works fine... Anyone got the solution? (reason to implement this is to allow some teachers to login from home) Kevin From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Aug 11 20:03:32 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:03:32 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] NX on osx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10030.200.222.204.60.1123790612.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> Can you tell us what steps did you do to install? Was it through yum or rpm? How did you configure your client? Here's a link I think it works under fedora, not sure. http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2004-September/000118.html Peace > > > Hello, > > I'm trying to get freenx working togheter with mij OS 10.4 laptop. > > But the story always ends with the TCP_NODELAY error. > I already disabled the setting in the node.conf file, but I don't > seem to get any further. > On Windows the connection works fine... > > Anyone got the solution? > (reason to implement this is to allow some teachers to login from home) > > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Aug 11 20:23:31 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:23:31 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type In-Reply-To: <20050811170754.GA26917@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <20050811102331.51f5a363@trunks> Im running K12LTSP's FC4 and I would like to set all OpenOffice save formats to default to a MS file type (eg- doc, xls, etc). What file needs to be changed to make this happen in OOo? Thanks! Wilson From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Aug 11 20:30:37 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:30:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NX on osx In-Reply-To: <10030.200.222.204.60.1123790612.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> References: <10030.200.222.204.60.1123790612.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <59DC29B9-B8B6-4717-895D-A77E74AEE37F@telenet.be> That's similar to what I did to get it installed. As in my former mail it does seems to be a bug in the Osx 10.4 version ;.. http://www.nomachine.com/tr/view.php?id=TR08C00940 Kevin Op 11-aug-05, om 22:03 heeft Ramon het volgende geschreven: > Can you tell us what steps did you do to install? > Was it through yum or rpm? > How did you configure your client? > Here's a link I think it works under fedora, not sure. > http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2004-September/000118.html > > Peace > >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm trying to get freenx working togheter with mij OS 10.4 laptop. >> >> But the story always ends with the TCP_NODELAY error. >> I already disabled the setting in the node.conf file, but I don't >> seem to get any further. >> On Windows the connection works fine... >> >> Anyone got the solution? >> (reason to implement this is to allow some teachers to login from >> home) >> >> Kevin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 11 21:25:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:25:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help verify bug....Samba/LDAP users on 4.4 In-Reply-To: <001f01c59e92$49e67120$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001f01c59e92$49e67120$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Latest findings: You can get the newer version of nscd from fedora-updates-testing (I used Yum Extender)...that seems to fix the nscd issue as far as the crashes are concerned, but I found that shutting off nscd made the joining the domain thing work better....so maybe nscd won't be needed. I have it off for now. I updated it just in case, but then shut it off (not dead...but off). So...try those things and see how it works. My understanding is that nscd may not be necessary unless you have a large installation....I only have 600 users, but only 30-40 logged on a once and even then...not all at once (as in a burst) "Jim Kronebusch" on Thu Aug 11 2005 at 12:32 +0000 wrote: >> problems? lot of difficulty joining the domain....I was able >> to join right after reboot and I attribute that to nscd still >> running. LDAP can be a bit slow thus nscd helps in that >> manner with caching. > >Thanks for the info Dave. My setup is supposed to go live next week. >Luckily OSX LDAP with NFS /home is my biggest worry here. As long as >that rocks my teachers and staff will be happy. As far joining a domain >and logging on to a domain, that is exactly what my intermittent >problems have been. Restarts temporarily fix it for me as well. I >actually thought about just converting all of my Windows machines to >Linux to fix the problem :-) > >Keep me posted if you find a fix. I'll resort to your cron for now as >well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 11 23:47:35 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:47:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] V.4.4 install: HELP! Message-ID: For a school starting classes tomorrow, I did a K12LTSP 4.4 install (Dell 4600) and all came up roses except the eth0 - the usual reinstalls, 'neat' checks, updates, etc did not help, so in desperation I did a RESTORECON documented below [root at WarriorNet1 ~]# restorecon -R / lstat(/dev/pts) failed: Permission denied lstat(/net) failed: Permission denied lstat(/proc) failed: Permission denied lstat(/sys) failed: Permission denied lstat(/misc) failed: Permission denied lstat(/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs) failed: Permission denied lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp) failed: Permission denied lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/mixer) failed: Permission denied lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp1) failed: Permission denied [root at WarriorNet1 ~]# Now, this being such a drastic rescue tool, I was sure it was going to save the day, but it didn't. I still don't have active dhcpd - if anyone has any suggestions, I welcome them all. Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 12 00:35:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] V.4.4 install: HELP! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Alan A Hodson wrote: > For a school starting classes tomorrow, I did a K12LTSP 4.4 install (Dell > 4600) and all came up roses except the eth0 - the usual reinstalls, 'neat' > checks, updates, etc did not help, so in desperation I did a RESTORECON > documented below > > [root at WarriorNet1 ~]# restorecon -R / > lstat(/dev/pts) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/net) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/proc) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/sys) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/misc) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/mixer) failed: Permission denied > lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp1) failed: Permission denied > [root at WarriorNet1 ~]# > > Now, this being such a drastic rescue tool, I was sure it was going to save > the day, but it didn't. I still don't have active dhcpd - if anyone has any > suggestions, I welcome them all. If you think that it may be a SELinux related problem, here is a quick way to check: 1) disable selinux enforcement: echo 0 > /selinux/enforce 2) restart dhcpd /sbin/service dhcpd restart If that fixes it, odds are pretty good that you installed an earlier beta. This should fix it: 1) do the updates (sounds like you did this already) 2) run: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/selinux-alter.sh 3) reboot Let us know how it goes... -Eric From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 01:01:37 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:31:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type In-Reply-To: <20050811102331.51f5a363@trunks> References: <20050811170754.GA26917@bill.heins.net> <20050811102331.51f5a363@trunks> Message-ID: <774593a205081118012fcc8499@mail.gmail.com> On 8/12/05, Wilson Chan wrote: > Im running K12LTSP's FC4 and I would like to set all OpenOffice save formats to default to a MS file type (eg- doc, xls, etc). What file needs to be changed to make this happen in OOo? Thanks! Look at Tools>Option menu and you will find what you want. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Aug 12 02:08:38 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:08:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type In-Reply-To: <774593a205081118012fcc8499@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050811170754.GA26917@bill.heins.net> <20050811102331.51f5a363@trunks> <774593a205081118012fcc8499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42FC04A6.6040905@cox.net> That's on a per-user basis. There was a couple hacks that worked with the older open office globally, but dont seem to work anymore. Luis Sudev Barar wrote: >On 8/12/05, Wilson Chan wrote: > > >>Im running K12LTSP's FC4 and I would like to set all OpenOffice save formats to default to a MS file type (eg- doc, xls, etc). What file needs to be changed to make this happen in OOo? Thanks! >> >> > >Look at Tools>Option menu and you will find what you want. > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 12 01:22:12 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:22:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type In-Reply-To: <42FC04A6.6040905@cox.net> References: <20050811170754.GA26917@bill.heins.net> <20050811102331.51f5a363@trunks> <774593a205081118012fcc8499@mail.gmail.com> <42FC04A6.6040905@cox.net> Message-ID: <0BFAB3FA-CAC4-4C6D-914C-05E3C5FBA91C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IIRC tool>options is global and edit>preferences is per user now? I thought I read that somewhere, but I could be wrong. On Aug 11, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Luis Montes wrote: > That's on a per-user basis. > There was a couple hacks that worked with the older open office > globally, but dont seem to work anymore. > > Luis > > Sudev Barar wrote: > > >> On 8/12/05, Wilson Chan wrote: >> >> >>> Im running K12LTSP's FC4 and I would like to set all OpenOffice >>> save formats to default to a MS file type (eg- doc, xls, etc). >>> What file needs to be changed to make this happen in OOo? Thanks! >>> >>> >> >> Look at Tools>Option menu and you will find what you want. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkL7+cUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRPuACfVDcznPu6b29MgawlPJa3HN4k fpcAn1cew83IyBMRDYGKLzEBwfQtq1cT =ggBO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 01:34:55 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:04:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Freeing Server Memory In-Reply-To: <20050811170754.GA26917@bill.heins.net> References: <20050811160057.0CBCC73BF4@hormel.redhat.com> <20050811170754.GA26917@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <774593a205081118346315d717@mail.gmail.com> On 8/11/05, Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org): > > I've got the Enterprise Linux (Centos) running on a Dell 1425SC with two > > Xeon processor and 4 gigabytes of memory. I'm also serving DHCP for our > > network and serving about 19 thin clients that are PXE booting to the > > K12LTSP server. When I first started the server last month I was using > > about 240 MB of RAM and today I noticed that was up to over 2 gigabytes of > > RAM. I recently ran "up2date" and updated the kernel and all packages. I > > am running the smp kernel. How can I keep my memory free? Any > > suggestions? > > > > My suggestion is not to worry about it. You will probably notice that > a lot of that memory is in buffers and cache; this is good. In fact, > you don't really want/need memory free. You want it working for you. To know exactly user memory status run "top" or "free -m" Man for the pages. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Aug 12 01:27:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:27:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac Client Question Message-ID: <200508120344.j7C3iV127380@downeast.net> from what i swa the stuff i did was literaly ploped into k12...inane comments i amde and all 8~)..it could use a little work..but the scripting would seemto bre faurly trivial..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Fri Aug 12 01:48:32 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:48:32 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type In-Reply-To: <774593a205081118012fcc8499@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050811154832.9cb5f87f@trunks> Im looking for a Global Setting or a script that I can use to change this for all users. If anyone knows what works for FC4's LTSP install let me know. Thanks! Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Sudev Barar To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:01:37 -1000 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type > On 8/12/05, Wilson Chan wrote: > > Im running K12LTSP's FC4 and I would like to set all OpenOffice save formats > to default to a MS file type (eg- doc, xls, etc). What file needs to be changed > to make this happen in OOo? Thanks! > > Look at Tools>Option menu and you will find what you want. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 12 05:38:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:38:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FirstClass and FC4 or K12LTSP 4.4 Message-ID: Any of you who use FirstClass email....I couldn't get the new client for redhat to work on FC4, but the mandrake client works fine! Go figure! Just FYI David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 12 11:45:38 2005 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:45:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest Message-ID: <42FC8BE2.80400@hancock.k12.mi.us> I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong email addy the first time I tried. Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is shared and discussed.... I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on midwest area conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a great conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), but I open to new places and pools of knowledge. I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read "cheap"), I am open to suggestions for any other conferences across the US too. I made the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. Thanks eh. Scott From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Aug 12 12:21:46 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:21:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Per user default gateways? Message-ID: <42FC945A.3070908@stmarys-school.org> Hello, We have two gateways. One is filtered the other is not. Is there a way to assign the gw per user using iptables? -John From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Aug 12 12:59:30 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:59:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 2.0 (aka 1.9) and 4.2.1EL Message-ID: <1123851570.17465.383.camel@phoenix.hhp> Has anyone found RPM packages for OpenOffice 2 that run on CentOS 4.1 (aka 4.2.1EL)? I'd like to go w/ CentOS for my TS as much as possible. Thanks! Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From webmaster at vol.org Fri Aug 12 13:17:20 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:17:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type In-Reply-To: <20050811154832.9cb5f87f@trunks> References: <20050811154832.9cb5f87f@trunks> Message-ID: <1123852640.21768.8.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 20:48, Wilson Chan wrote: > Im looking for a Global Setting or a script that I can use to change this > for all users. If anyone knows what works for FC4's LTSP install let me know. Thanks! Check out these scripts: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freesoftware/ltsp/ My solution was to create a user called "golden" and configure programs such as OpenOffice, Mozilla, Acrobat Reader, etc. as that user. When a normal user logs in, a login script checks to see if the config directories for those programs exist in the user's home directory. If they do not, the script copies them from the golden user's home directory, changes ownership and replaces all instances of the username "golden" with the user's username. If I need to make a global change in OpenOffice, I do it as user golden and then run a couple of other scripts that delete the .openoffice config directory for all users. As long as nobody is using Openoffice or whatever other program I'm reconfiguring, I change the settings for everyone in a matter of seconds. The above URL contains all of the scripts. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From webmaster at vol.org Fri Aug 12 13:24:06 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:24:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice file type to default to MS file type In-Reply-To: <1123852640.21768.8.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <20050811154832.9cb5f87f@trunks> <1123852640.21768.8.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1123853046.21768.15.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 08:17, george kocke wrote: > > Im looking for a Global Setting or a script that I can use to change this > > for all users. If anyone knows what works for FC4's LTSP install let me know. Thanks! > Check out these scripts: > http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freesoftware/ltsp/ I just wanted to mention to anyone looking at these scripts that Eric has improved them a bit. You'll his versions in: /opt/ltsp/scripts -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Aug 12 13:24:53 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:24:53 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [REPOST] yum dependency resolution Message-ID: <1123853094.13584.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> Try and make a long story short by citing one small example ;-) - I'm having trouble understanding why a yum update is failing with an unmet dependency when a search of my system shows that the dependency in question is already installed on my system in the exact version required. I did an "rpm--rebuilddb" just in case my system didn't know about the package for some reason, but otherwise I can't seem to get past this. Is there need to, or some means to, tell yum about everything that's on your system - I've always assumed it "just know" (tm). -- Regards, Gavin Chester From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Aug 12 13:57:28 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:57:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] are there still miscounts using who/finger/w? Message-ID: <1123855048.17465.392.camel@phoenix.hhp> On my 4.2 (FC2) server, I've noticed how my who/w/finger show incorrect data (ghost users, and wrong number of users on the server at the time). I remember a discussion on the list a little while ago (I couldn't find it in the archives) about this same topic. Is this issue fixed under 4.2.1EL or 4.4? It would be nice to get accurate user counts during the days. This also will help determine if I go w/ 4.2.1EL or 4.4 Thanks! Henry Burroughs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Aug 12 14:15:06 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:15:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <42FC8BE2.80400@hancock.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held in Des Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I just found out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got accepted. Linux was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few vendors had linux powered devices, but no workshops). I look forward to seeing other responces to this question. I've wondered why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic locations. Eric Brown (not the cool Eric that puts k12 together) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sherrill Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong email addy the first time I tried. Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is shared and discussed.... I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on midwest area conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a great conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), but I open to new places and pools of knowledge. I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read "cheap"), I am open to suggestions for any other conferences across the US too. I made the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. Thanks eh. Scott _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Fri Aug 12 14:25:31 2005 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:25:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <42FCB15B.1050102@hancock.k12.mi.us> Eric Brown wrote: >There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held in Des >Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I just found >out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got accepted. Linux >was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few vendors had >linux powered devices, but no workshops). > >I look forward to seeing other responces to this question. I've wondered >why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic locations. > > > Thanks Eric I will check it out. I should have included the urls for the conferences I mentioned earlier: MAEDS (Oct in Michigan) http://www.maeds.org Brainstorm (March in Wisconsin) http://www.onalaska.k12.wi.us/brainstorm/ NELS (June in Maine) http://www.nelinux.net Scott From k12osn at perusion.com Fri Aug 12 14:28:17 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:28:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> References: <42FC8BE2.80400@hancock.k12.mi.us> <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <20050812142817.GA11750@bill.heins.net> Quoting Eric Brown (ericbrown at mi-spot.com): > There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held in Des > Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I just found > out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got accepted. Linux > was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few vendors had > linux powered devices, but no workshops). > > I look forward to seeing other responces to this question. They don't have any information about registration yet. If the cost is not prohibitive, I may attend, as it is not that far from my parents home and I can take that opportunity for a visit. I am sure much of it will be depressingly Microsoft-based. 8-\ > I've wondered why more conferences aren't held in a more central > geographic locations. > I think central population locations are more sought-after. 8-) A lot of the once-per-year national conferences I deal with try to shift it around year by year -- one year on the east coast, the next on the west, then one in the midwest. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing. -- Karl Lehenbauer From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 12 14:41:14 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:41:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smbldap-bulk-useradd change password encryption Message-ID: <000501c59f4b$e418c7c0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> I think I have found another small problem. It looks like the bulk add script encrypts the passwords with SSHA encryption. This works fine when logging in with Linux and Samba, but doesn't seem to be compatible with the LDAP setup on OSX. If I reset the password via webmin with crypt encription, it works. Also if I re-run smbpasswd it changes the encryption to SMD5 and also works. Any ideas on what to do to fix this? Can I make a change in the bulk add script to run smbpasswd on all users? I have an existing username and password base that I need to re-populate on this server. Or does anyone have a script that I can give username,passwd and it will run through the necessary steps to re-run smbpasswd on all users? I need to finish this server tonight. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Aug 12 14:46:16 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:46:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Smbldap-bulk-useradd change password encryption In-Reply-To: <000501c59f4b$e418c7c0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000501c59f4b$e418c7c0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42FCB638.3030603@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I think I have found another small problem. It looks like the bulk add > script encrypts the passwords with SSHA encryption. This works fine > when logging in with Linux and Samba, but doesn't seem to be compatible > with the LDAP setup on OSX. If I reset the password via webmin with > crypt encription, it works. Also if I re-run smbpasswd it changes the > encryption to SMD5 and also works. Any ideas on what to do to fix this? > Can I make a change in the bulk add script to run smbpasswd on all > users? > > I have an existing username and password base that I need to re-populate > on this server. Or does anyone have a script that I can give > username,passwd and it will run through the necessary steps to re-run > smbpasswd on all users? > > I need to finish this server tonight. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > Wouldn't be hard to write a script that reads a CSV file for username & password and then to call smbpasswd. I could give you a pointer if you like. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Aug 12 14:49:59 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:49:59 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] [REPOST] yum dependency resolution In-Reply-To: <1123853094.13584.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1123853094.13584.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10072.200.222.204.60.1123858199.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> run the resolve dependencies command. not sure what it is right now, but do "man yum" and you will see the command to resolve dependencies. > Try and make a long story short by citing one small example ;-) - > > I'm having trouble understanding why a yum update is failing with an > unmet dependency when a search of my system shows that the dependency in > question is already installed on my system in the exact version > required. I did an "rpm--rebuilddb" just in case my system didn't know > about the package for some reason, but otherwise I can't seem to get > past this. Is there need to, or some means to, tell yum about > everything that's on your system - I've always assumed it "just > know" (tm). > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 12 15:05:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:05:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smbldap-bulk-useradd change password encryption In-Reply-To: <42FCB638.3030603@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000601c59f4f$3ea7bc20$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Wouldn't be hard to write a script that reads a CSV file for > username & password and then to call > smbpasswd. I could give you a pointer if you like. I would definitely like that. I can easily create a csv with usernames and passwords in any format. Point away :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 15:21:49 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:51:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] are there still miscounts using who/finger/w? In-Reply-To: <1123855048.17465.392.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1123855048.17465.392.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <774593a205081208214b723958@mail.gmail.com> On 8/12/05, Henry Burroughs wrote: > On my 4.2 (FC2) server, I've noticed how my who/w/finger show incorrect > data (ghost users, and wrong number of users on the server at the time). I > remember a discussion on the list a little while ago (I couldn't find it in > the archives) about this same topic. Is this issue fixed under 4.2.1EL or > 4.4? It would be nice to get accurate user counts during the days. Can not say if this is corrected or not but this will give you proper count: last | grep still | sort | uniq HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 12 15:27:01 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:27:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] howto for streaming content -- from NPR Message-ID: <42FCBFC5.70401@earthlink.net> Hello everyone. Hope your preparations for a new school year are going well! I have a new High School Science teacher that uses NPR a lot in her lesson plans. I have sound working on three types of terminals (new LTSP Term150's, GX1/GXa, and Vectra 66) in the building now, with sound working with games like tuxtype and on some websites (must be using flash), but I have not figured out how to play streaming media from websites like NPR or, for example, a local talk radio www.850koa.com. Also, I can play mp3's from a command line mp3 player, but not from a the gui based player in the menu (can't remember the name of that player now), and cannot even recall the error message at the moment, but it is something about a/the mixer and recreate it once I get into the building. The next item to figure out, was streaming content, and now I have a teacher that has asked me about it. Can anyone help me with getting streaming content to work, for example, the NPR website? Thanks in advance, Rita Gibson RMSELTech From rusty at enveloptech.com Fri Aug 12 15:49:01 2005 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:49:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F68@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Mickeysoft refers to this as 'user tracking.' Others have referred to it as a form of spyware. Irregardless, it can be disabled by editing the local security policy. To do this, go to an XP machine and run gpedit.msc. Then navigate through User configuration / Adminstrative Templates / Start Menu and Taskbar. In there you will see the item "Turn off user tracking." You want to enable it. Note that enabling the policy will not delete any existing desktop.ini files. It merely prevents them from being created when a new profile is generated. Also note that this setting only applies to a single PC. You either have to make the same change at every XP machine manually or from active directory deploy a group policy object. Rusty Pywtorak -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:09 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini One more question: Is there a way to prevent them from being created, without getting errors on the window$ side? Kevin From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Aug 12 15:50:15 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:50:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] howto for streaming content -- from NPR In-Reply-To: <42FCBFC5.70401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200508121548.j7CFmFA16898@www.mi-spot.com> Hello Rita, I've had to work through this before. I downloaded the streaming file to the computer, then opened it up in XMMS. It's not a very elegant workaround at first, but the upside is that you don't have to open a browser window and navigate to the website once you've downloaded the streaming file, you just open the file in XMMS. I've only done this with .pls files, and I think real media files. While others could speak more knowledgeably on this, I'm not sure if it would work with windows media streaming. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rita Gibson Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:27 AM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] howto for streaming content -- from NPR Hello everyone. Hope your preparations for a new school year are going well! I have a new High School Science teacher that uses NPR a lot in her lesson plans. I have sound working on three types of terminals (new LTSP Term150's, GX1/GXa, and Vectra 66) in the building now, with sound working with games like tuxtype and on some websites (must be using flash), but I have not figured out how to play streaming media from websites like NPR or, for example, a local talk radio www.850koa.com. Also, I can play mp3's from a command line mp3 player, but not from a the gui based player in the menu (can't remember the name of that player now), and cannot even recall the error message at the moment, but it is something about a/the mixer and recreate it once I get into the building. The next item to figure out, was streaming content, and now I have a teacher that has asked me about it. Can anyone help me with getting streaming content to work, for example, the NPR website? Thanks in advance, Rita Gibson RMSELTech _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 16:17:33 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:17:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 2.0 (aka 1.9) and 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <1123851570.17465.383.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1123851570.17465.383.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: On 8/12/05, Henry Burroughs wrote: > Has anyone found RPM packages for OpenOffice 2 that run on CentOS 4.1 (aka > 4.2.1EL)? I'd like to go w/ CentOS for my TS as much as possible. Thanks! I'm also using 4.2.1EL I vaguely recall that when OOo 2.0 is released you won't need an RPM. You will be able to use the OOo installer on any distro. Similar to the way it is now but without the fiddling with user home accounts. I think you will be able to run both 1.x and 2.0 side by side. I'm waiting for the official 2.0 release. In any case, I'm sure when the official 2.0 is released there will be rpm's available somewhere. Don't forget to tell anyone who says OOo is not the standard like M$ Office that actually it's the other way around. OOo 2.0 IS conforming to the International Open Doc Format (adopted by the EU). -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From scott at hosef.org Fri Aug 12 16:45:09 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:45:09 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Best of Show Photos Message-ID: <42FCD215.7090507@hosef.org> Here are some photos of Jim and the LTSP booth at LinuxWorld. You'll also see some of Marty and the Etherboot Project. http://www.hosef.org/gallery/lwsf05/Chris_Miller_and_Jim_McQuillan http://www.hosef.org/gallery/lwsf05/DSCF0274 http://www.hosef.org/gallery/lwsf05/Etherboot http://www.hosef.org/gallery/lwsf05/Jim_McQuillan_and_LTSP_booth http://www.hosef.org/gallery/lwsf05/LTSP_Best_in_Show http://www.hosef.org/gallery/lwsf05/Marty_of_Etherboot --scott From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Aug 12 17:01:11 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:01:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap BDC In-Reply-To: <42F8C57D.1010404@msln.net> References: <200508091644.j79GiO321490@downeast.net> <42F8C57D.1010404@msln.net> Message-ID: <42FCD5D7.60003@msln.net> What had to be configured up to the point of these file changes? I've managed to corrupt my ldap server twice now. Should I run matt's script on the backup server and just change the stuff below? I know I have to set the bdc as a bdc in the smb.conf, But the replica stuff is getting me. Any help appreciated. Mark > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> did you add lines to /etc/openldap/slapd.conf?? >> >> like >> replica host=ipofbdc:389 >> suffix="dc=you,dc=yourdomain.com" >> binddn="cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomasin.dc=com" >> credentials=yourpw >> bindmethod=simple >> >> you need lines in your bdc /etc/openldap.conf >> updatedn "cn=root,dc=you,dc=yourdomain.dc=com" >> updateref ldap://ipofyourpdc >> -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 12 17:03:32 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:03:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> When David Trask and Chuck Liebow, et al, organized their "Maine get-together of K12LTSP-ers" last year (or was it two years ago now?), Chris Bacigalupo from Duluth, MN offered his city as an alternative site for the Maine conference, not entirely in jest. I started keeping track of people on the list who seemed to be not-too-far from Minneapolis, where I am, with the jealous hope of someday organizing something similar (your name is on the list already, Scott). I was hoping to get enough people to make it worth Jim's and/or Eric's time to come out for it. I only have about a dozen names so far, and some of those haven't been heard from on the list for a while, so I don't know how active they are. (Chris, are you still on this list?) There are two reasons for such a conference: 1. It would be great fun, allowing some of us to meet face-to-face. It would be helpful to learn more about what others are doing with LTSP, and it would inspirational. This project works because of the community, and this would be a way to enhance that community. 2. I thought I would try to invite people from all the other schools in town, to introduce them to LTSP, to show them a better way of providing computing services to schools. Show them how easy it is to install K12LTSP, how it makes better use of resources, how it's easier to manage, perhaps cover the natural symbiosis between education and OSS, etc. I'd LOVE to show them all of Jim Kronebusch's various Macs all running as thin clients! The tricky part is that the above are two different audiences: the first would involve people who already understand LTSP, while the second would be more of the uninitiated. But I think they could both be accomodated if we had, say, two days, where the first would be focused on topics that assume you already understand LTSP, and the second day would be more introductory, or vice-versa. Then there's the question of topics and format. If Jim M. and/or Eric could come, they could talk about what they're working on, e.g., MueKow; I'd like to hear more details from Jim Kronebusch about getting the Macs to work. What else? For the second day, for people unfamiliar with LTSP, someone could talk about & demo K12LTSP, perhaps do an installation. CodeWeavers is based here in the Twin Cities, and Jeremy White, the founder, is a friend of mine; I thought I might invite him to talk, to show one way to support Windows apps on LTSP. CW has a portable LTSP/WINE/CrossOver setup they use for demos, showing off MS Word 'loading' in just a second or two on an old Pentium 100. While I want to keep the focus on the community, I think some schools would like the idea that they could get commercial support for a K12LTSP installation, so perhaps there could be some support vendors there, if there's interest. I figured if I could get ten people to come for the first day, it would be worth doing and would be enough people to draw Jim and/or Eric. I think the Maine folks had about 20 (David, are your pictures from your conference still online?); Maine seems to have a lot of people doing K12LTSP, lucky dogs; hopefully 'new recruits' from group #2 above would increase our numbers in Minnesota. I was thinking perhaps a Friday-Saturday, in June after school is out; but I'm not a teacher so I figured I'd let those who are pick the dates. I thought I might try for this summer, but I just didn't have the time, so I've been looking toward next summer. In Minnesota, in October we have a two-day (Th-Fr) teacher in-service holiday when there's no school, to allow teachers to attend training, conferences, etc. I've considered that weekend, but as it's a Minnesota thing only, I was afraid none of the Iowa/Wisconsin/Michigan folks would be able to attend. Any thoughts or interest in this? Petre Eric Brown wrote: > There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held in Des > Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I just found > out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got accepted. Linux > was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few vendors had > linux powered devices, but no workshops). > > I look forward to seeing other responces to this question. I've wondered > why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic locations. > > Eric Brown (not the cool Eric that puts k12 together) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Sherrill > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest > > > I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong email > addy the first time I tried. > > Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is shared and > discussed.... > > I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on midwest area > conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 > folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) > > The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to > Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a great > conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), but I open to new > places and pools of knowledge. > > I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read "cheap"), I > am open to suggestions for any other conferences across the US too. I made > the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. > > Thanks eh. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 12 17:18:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:18:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <000701c59f61$cab23d50$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I figured if I could get ten people to come for the first > day, it would be worth doing > and would be enough people to draw Jim and/or Eric. I think > the Maine folks had about > 20 (David, are your pictures from your conference still > online?); Count me in! I would love to help out with such an event. I live in Winona which is just under 2hrs from Minneapolis. Next summer should be fairly light for me, I will have done the major upgrades on all the schools this year. I could load my '47 panel up and head north for a few days. I'd love to show the smbldap working to support full roaming between OSX, Windows, and Linux. Showing some old iMacs and such running as well would be fun. I think the basics on the first day and more advanced the second would be a good plan. That way the beginners could get the concepts and then stick around for the fun stuff if they wanted. Keep me posted. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Aug 12 17:41:32 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:41:32 +0800 Subject: solved - Re: [K12OSN] [REPOST] yum dependency resolution In-Reply-To: <10072.200.222.204.60.1123858199.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> References: <1123853094.13584.194.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10072.200.222.204.60.1123858199.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1123868493.13584.263.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 11:49 -0300, Ramon wrote: > run the resolve dependencies command. > not sure what it is right now, but do "man yum" and you will see the command to > resolve dependencies. Thanks anyway, but not sure I understood your post - primarily because yum is all about resolving dependencies automagically. Nevertheless, I did re-read the man page, but there was nothing to explain what you were referring to. Anyway, I did some yahoo-ing* and reading for an hour or so and came across something useful in this FAQ http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq Seems I needed to remove the problem package (named in the error report) as the best way to overcome the update blockage to yum. The FAQ then suggests reinstalling said package after the update is complete. That's what is happening as I type - so, success! I just find too many error messages need explanation from someone who knows how write more than just lines of code. I was off on a completely wrong tangent to what the error message really meant until I read the FAQ. *I'm favouring yahoo again nowadays because they claim to have indexed more pages than google since recent upgrades, and I reckon google are almost becoming a microsoft-like monopoly in their own omnipotent way. Gavin > > Try and make a long story short by citing one small example ;-) - > > > > I'm having trouble understanding why a yum update is failing with an > > unmet dependency when a search of my system shows that the dependency in > > question is already installed on my system in the exact version > > required. I did an "rpm--rebuilddb" just in case my system didn't know > > about the package for some reason, but otherwise I can't seem to get > > past this. Is there need to, or some means to, tell yum about > > everything that's on your system - I've always assumed it "just > > know" (tm). > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 12 18:42:34 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:42:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> References: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <9FFD95C6-A90F-430F-9FD1-4C3CED6E42FB@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 MN is definitely much closer to my neighborhood than Maine, SF, or Portland. I'd definitely be interested On Aug 12, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > When David Trask and Chuck Liebow, et al, organized their "Maine > get-together of K12LTSP-ers" last year (or was it two years ago > now?), Chris Bacigalupo from Duluth, MN offered his city as an > alternative site for the Maine conference, not entirely in jest. I > started keeping track of people on the list who seemed to be not- > too-far from Minneapolis, where I am, with the jealous hope of > someday organizing something similar (your name is on the list > already, Scott). I was hoping to get enough people to make it > worth Jim's and/or Eric's time to come out for it. I only have > about a dozen names so far, and some of those haven't been heard > from on the list for a while, so I don't know how active they are. > (Chris, are you still on this list?) > > There are two reasons for such a conference: > > 1. It would be great fun, allowing some of us to meet face-to- > face. It would be helpful to learn more about what others are > doing with LTSP, and it would inspirational. This project works > because of the community, and this would be a way to enhance that > community. > > 2. I thought I would try to invite people from all the other > schools in town, to introduce them to LTSP, to show them a better > way of providing computing services to schools. Show them how easy > it is to install K12LTSP, how it makes better use of resources, how > it's easier to manage, perhaps cover the natural symbiosis between > education and OSS, etc. I'd LOVE to show them all of Jim > Kronebusch's various Macs all running as thin clients! > > The tricky part is that the above are two different audiences: the > first would involve people who already understand LTSP, while the > second would be more of the uninitiated. But I think they could > both be accomodated if we had, say, two days, where the first would > be focused on topics that assume you already understand LTSP, and > the second day would be more introductory, or vice-versa. > > Then there's the question of topics and format. If Jim M. and/or > Eric could come, they could talk about what they're working on, > e.g., MueKow; I'd like to hear more details from Jim Kronebusch > about getting the Macs to work. What else? > > For the second day, for people unfamiliar with LTSP, someone could > talk about & demo K12LTSP, perhaps do an installation. CodeWeavers > is based here in the Twin Cities, and Jeremy White, the founder, is > a friend of mine; I thought I might invite him to talk, to show one > way to support Windows apps on LTSP. CW has a portable LTSP/WINE/ > CrossOver setup they use for demos, showing off MS Word 'loading' > in just a second or two on an old Pentium 100. While I want to > keep the focus on the community, I think some schools would like > the idea that they could get commercial support for a K12LTSP > installation, so perhaps there could be some support vendors there, > if there's interest. > > I figured if I could get ten people to come for the first day, it > would be worth doing and would be enough people to draw Jim and/or > Eric. I think the Maine folks had about 20 (David, are your > pictures from your conference still online?); Maine seems to have a > lot of people doing K12LTSP, lucky dogs; hopefully 'new recruits' > from group #2 above would increase our numbers in Minnesota. I was > thinking perhaps a Friday-Saturday, in June after school is out; > but I'm not a teacher so I figured I'd let those who are pick the > dates. I thought I might try for this summer, but I just didn't > have the time, so I've been looking toward next summer. In > Minnesota, in October we have a two-day (Th-Fr) teacher in-service > holiday when there's no school, to allow teachers to attend > training, conferences, etc. I've considered that weekend, but as > it's a Minnesota thing only, I was afraid none of the Iowa/ > Wisconsin/Michigan folks would be able to attend. > > Any thoughts or interest in this? > > Petre > > > Eric Brown wrote: > >> There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference >> held in Des >> Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I >> just found >> out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got >> accepted. Linux >> was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few >> vendors had >> linux powered devices, but no workshops). I look forward to >> seeing other responces to this question. I've wondered >> why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic >> locations. >> Eric Brown (not the cool Eric that puts k12 together) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >> On Behalf >> Of Scott Sherrill >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 AM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest >> I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong >> email >> addy the first time I tried. >> Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is >> shared and >> discussed.... >> I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on >> midwest area >> conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 >> folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) >> The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to >> Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a >> great conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), >> but I open to new >> places and pools of knowledge. >> I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read >> "cheap"), I >> am open to suggestions for any other conferences across the US >> too. I made >> the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. >> Thanks eh. >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkL87ZsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSC+wCghzOwb4x/J8wa7c09J8+GQLRK eJ4AoIFfmAvDtDxyGHZ3P/2428tWBMQs =duYp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 18:51:19 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:51:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F68@exchange2k3.comlink.local> References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F68@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Message-ID: <9E118456-04B5-496D-BD18-15C9401462BD@telenet.be> And are those steps evt. scriptable? Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 17:49 heeft Rusty Pywtorak het volgende geschreven: > Mickeysoft refers to this as 'user tracking.' Others have referred > to it > as a form of spyware. Irregardless, it can be disabled by editing the > local security policy. > > To do this, go to an XP machine and run gpedit.msc. Then navigate > through User configuration / Adminstrative Templates / Start Menu and > Taskbar. In there you will see the item "Turn off user tracking." You > want to enable it. > > Note that enabling the policy will not delete any existing desktop.ini > files. It merely prevents them from being created when a new > profile is > generated. > > Also note that this setting only applies to a single PC. You either > have > to make the same change at every XP machine manually or from active > directory deploy a group policy object. > > Rusty Pywtorak > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:09 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini > > One more question: > > Is there a way to prevent them from being created, without getting > errors on the window$ side? > > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 19:03:03 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:03:03 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <9E118456-04B5-496D-BD18-15C9401462BD@telenet.be> References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F68@exchange2k3.comlink.local> <9E118456-04B5-496D-BD18-15C9401462BD@telenet.be> Message-ID: This looks like the right key to adapt. Turn off user tracking Administrative Template: System Policy Node: USER Policy Path: Administrative Templates\Start Menu and Taskbar Supported On: At least Microsoft Windows 2000 Help/Explain Text: Disables user tracking. This setting prevents the system from tracking the programs users run, the paths they navigate, and the documents they open. The system uses this information to customize Windows features, such as personalized menus. If you enable this setting, the system does not track these user actions. The system disables customized features that require user tracking information, including personalized menus. Also, see the Turn off personalized menus setting. Registry Settings: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion \Policies\Explorer!NoInstrumentation I'll test this puppy out to see if it works to script this. Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 20:51 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > And are those steps evt. scriptable? > > Kevin > > Op 12-aug-05, om 17:49 heeft Rusty Pywtorak het volgende geschreven: > > >> Mickeysoft refers to this as 'user tracking.' Others have referred >> to it >> as a form of spyware. Irregardless, it can be disabled by editing the >> local security policy. >> >> To do this, go to an XP machine and run gpedit.msc. Then navigate >> through User configuration / Adminstrative Templates / Start Menu and >> Taskbar. In there you will see the item "Turn off user tracking." You >> want to enable it. >> >> Note that enabling the policy will not delete any existing >> desktop.ini >> files. It merely prevents them from being created when a new >> profile is >> generated. >> >> Also note that this setting only applies to a single PC. You >> either have >> to make the same change at every XP machine manually or from active >> directory deploy a group policy object. >> >> Rusty Pywtorak >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:09 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini >> >> One more question: >> >> Is there a way to prevent them from being created, without getting >> errors on the window$ side? >> >> Kevin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Aug 12 19:06:12 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:06:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200508121904.j7CJ4BA28052@www.mi-spot.com> I'd love to be involved. The timeframes you mention are workable for me. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:04 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest When David Trask and Chuck Liebow, et al, organized their "Maine get-together of K12LTSP-ers" last year (or was it two years ago now?), Chris Bacigalupo from Duluth, MN offered his city as an alternative site for the Maine conference, not entirely in jest. I started keeping track of people on the list who seemed to be not-too-far from Minneapolis, where I am, with the jealous hope of someday organizing something similar (your name is on the list already, Scott). I was hoping to get enough people to make it worth Jim's and/or Eric's time to come out for it. I only have about a dozen names so far, and some of those haven't been heard from on the list for a while, so I don't know how active they are. (Chris, are you still on this list?) There are two reasons for such a conference: 1. It would be great fun, allowing some of us to meet face-to-face. It would be helpful to learn more about what others are doing with LTSP, and it would inspirational. This project works because of the community, and this would be a way to enhance that community. 2. I thought I would try to invite people from all the other schools in town, to introduce them to LTSP, to show them a better way of providing computing services to schools. Show them how easy it is to install K12LTSP, how it makes better use of resources, how it's easier to manage, perhaps cover the natural symbiosis between education and OSS, etc. I'd LOVE to show them all of Jim Kronebusch's various Macs all running as thin clients! The tricky part is that the above are two different audiences: the first would involve people who already understand LTSP, while the second would be more of the uninitiated. But I think they could both be accomodated if we had, say, two days, where the first would be focused on topics that assume you already understand LTSP, and the second day would be more introductory, or vice-versa. Then there's the question of topics and format. If Jim M. and/or Eric could come, they could talk about what they're working on, e.g., MueKow; I'd like to hear more details from Jim Kronebusch about getting the Macs to work. What else? For the second day, for people unfamiliar with LTSP, someone could talk about & demo K12LTSP, perhaps do an installation. CodeWeavers is based here in the Twin Cities, and Jeremy White, the founder, is a friend of mine; I thought I might invite him to talk, to show one way to support Windows apps on LTSP. CW has a portable LTSP/WINE/CrossOver setup they use for demos, showing off MS Word 'loading' in just a second or two on an old Pentium 100. While I want to keep the focus on the community, I think some schools would like the idea that they could get commercial support for a K12LTSP installation, so perhaps there could be some support vendors there, if there's interest. I figured if I could get ten people to come for the first day, it would be worth doing and would be enough people to draw Jim and/or Eric. I think the Maine folks had about 20 (David, are your pictures from your conference still online?); Maine seems to have a lot of people doing K12LTSP, lucky dogs; hopefully 'new recruits' from group #2 above would increase our numbers in Minnesota. I was thinking perhaps a Friday-Saturday, in June after school is out; but I'm not a teacher so I figured I'd let those who are pick the dates. I thought I might try for this summer, but I just didn't have the time, so I've been looking toward next summer. In Minnesota, in October we have a two-day (Th-Fr) teacher in-service holiday when there's no school, to allow teachers to attend training, conferences, etc. I've considered that weekend, but as it's a Minnesota thing only, I was afraid none of the Iowa/Wisconsin/Michigan folks would be able to attend. Any thoughts or interest in this? Petre Eric Brown wrote: > There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held in > Des Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I > just found out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got > accepted. Linux was incredibly under represented at the last > conference (a few vendors had linux powered devices, but no workshops). > > I look forward to seeing other responces to this question. I've > wondered why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic locations. > > Eric Brown (not the cool Eric that puts k12 together) > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Scott Sherrill > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest > > > I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong > email addy the first time I tried. > > Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is shared > and discussed.... > > I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on > midwest area conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 > folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) > > The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to > Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a great > conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), but I open > to new places and pools of knowledge. > > I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read > "cheap"), I am open to suggestions for any other conferences across > the US too. I made the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. > > Thanks eh. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 19:11:13 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:11:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F68@exchange2k3.comlink.local> <9E118456-04B5-496D-BD18-15C9401462BD@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8707620F-B17E-4D29-BAB5-4F4D4B9DD26E@telenet.be> And this looks like the user key to modify HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ Windows\ CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\ NoInstrumentation REG_DWORD = (1) Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 21:03 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > This looks like the right key to adapt. > > Turn off user tracking > > Administrative Template: System > Policy Node: USER > Policy Path: Administrative Templates\Start Menu and Taskbar > > Supported On: At least Microsoft Windows 2000 > > Help/Explain Text: Disables user tracking. This setting prevents > the system from tracking the programs users run, the paths they > navigate, and the documents they open. The system uses this > information to customize Windows features, such as personalized > menus. If you enable this setting, the system does not track these > user actions. The system disables customized features that require > user tracking information, including personalized menus. Also, see > the Turn off personalized menus setting. > > Registry Settings: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion > \Policies\Explorer!NoInstrumentation > > I'll test this puppy out to see if it works to script this. > > > Kevin > > > Op 12-aug-05, om 20:51 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > > >> And are those steps evt. scriptable? >> >> Kevin >> >> Op 12-aug-05, om 17:49 heeft Rusty Pywtorak het volgende geschreven: >> >> >> >>> Mickeysoft refers to this as 'user tracking.' Others have >>> referred to it >>> as a form of spyware. Irregardless, it can be disabled by editing >>> the >>> local security policy. >>> >>> To do this, go to an XP machine and run gpedit.msc. Then navigate >>> through User configuration / Adminstrative Templates / Start Menu >>> and >>> Taskbar. In there you will see the item "Turn off user tracking." >>> You >>> want to enable it. >>> >>> Note that enabling the policy will not delete any existing >>> desktop.ini >>> files. It merely prevents them from being created when a new >>> profile is >>> generated. >>> >>> Also note that this setting only applies to a single PC. You >>> either have >>> to make the same change at every XP machine manually or from active >>> directory deploy a group policy object. >>> >>> Rusty Pywtorak >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn- >>> bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:09 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini >>> >>> One more question: >>> >>> Is there a way to prevent them from being created, without getting >>> errors on the window$ side? >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 19:12:05 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:12:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F68@exchange2k3.comlink.local> <9E118456-04B5-496D-BD18-15C9401462BD@telenet.be> Message-ID: <44F222B1-0F6A-47AC-AA04-11C886B60E8A@telenet.be> And this one: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ Windows\ CurrentVersion\policies\Explorer NoRecentDocsMenu REG_BINARY = (01) Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 21:03 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > This looks like the right key to adapt. > > Turn off user tracking > > Administrative Template: System > Policy Node: USER > Policy Path: Administrative Templates\Start Menu and Taskbar > > Supported On: At least Microsoft Windows 2000 > > Help/Explain Text: Disables user tracking. This setting prevents > the system from tracking the programs users run, the paths they > navigate, and the documents they open. The system uses this > information to customize Windows features, such as personalized > menus. If you enable this setting, the system does not track these > user actions. The system disables customized features that require > user tracking information, including personalized menus. Also, see > the Turn off personalized menus setting. > > Registry Settings: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion > \Policies\Explorer!NoInstrumentation > > I'll test this puppy out to see if it works to script this. > > > Kevin > > > Op 12-aug-05, om 20:51 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > > >> And are those steps evt. scriptable? >> >> Kevin >> >> Op 12-aug-05, om 17:49 heeft Rusty Pywtorak het volgende geschreven: >> >> >> >>> Mickeysoft refers to this as 'user tracking.' Others have >>> referred to it >>> as a form of spyware. Irregardless, it can be disabled by editing >>> the >>> local security policy. >>> >>> To do this, go to an XP machine and run gpedit.msc. Then navigate >>> through User configuration / Adminstrative Templates / Start Menu >>> and >>> Taskbar. In there you will see the item "Turn off user tracking." >>> You >>> want to enable it. >>> >>> Note that enabling the policy will not delete any existing >>> desktop.ini >>> files. It merely prevents them from being created when a new >>> profile is >>> generated. >>> >>> Also note that this setting only applies to a single PC. You >>> either have >>> to make the same change at every XP machine manually or from active >>> directory deploy a group policy object. >>> >>> Rusty Pywtorak >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn- >>> bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:09 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini >>> >>> One more question: >>> >>> Is there a way to prevent them from being created, without getting >>> errors on the window$ side? >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 12 19:17:49 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:17:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <9FFD95C6-A90F-430F-9FD1-4C3CED6E42FB@mindfirestudios.com> References: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> <9FFD95C6-A90F-430F-9FD1-4C3CED6E42FB@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <42FCF5DD.4020803@maltzen.net> Burke, Where are you located? Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > MN is definitely much closer to my neighborhood than Maine, SF, or > Portland. I'd definitely be interested > On Aug 12, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> When David Trask and Chuck Liebow, et al, organized their "Maine >> get-together of K12LTSP-ers" last year (or was it two years ago >> now?), Chris Bacigalupo from Duluth, MN offered his city as an >> alternative site for the Maine conference, not entirely in jest. I >> started keeping track of people on the list who seemed to be not- >> too-far from Minneapolis, where I am, with the jealous hope of >> someday organizing something similar (your name is on the list >> already, Scott). I was hoping to get enough people to make it >> worth Jim's and/or Eric's time to come out for it. I only have about >> a dozen names so far, and some of those haven't been heard from on >> the list for a while, so I don't know how active they are. (Chris, >> are you still on this list?) >> >> There are two reasons for such a conference: >> >> 1. It would be great fun, allowing some of us to meet face-to- face. >> It would be helpful to learn more about what others are doing with >> LTSP, and it would inspirational. This project works because of the >> community, and this would be a way to enhance that community. >> >> 2. I thought I would try to invite people from all the other schools >> in town, to introduce them to LTSP, to show them a better way of >> providing computing services to schools. Show them how easy it is to >> install K12LTSP, how it makes better use of resources, how it's >> easier to manage, perhaps cover the natural symbiosis between >> education and OSS, etc. I'd LOVE to show them all of Jim >> Kronebusch's various Macs all running as thin clients! >> >> The tricky part is that the above are two different audiences: the >> first would involve people who already understand LTSP, while the >> second would be more of the uninitiated. But I think they could both >> be accomodated if we had, say, two days, where the first would be >> focused on topics that assume you already understand LTSP, and the >> second day would be more introductory, or vice-versa. >> >> Then there's the question of topics and format. If Jim M. and/or >> Eric could come, they could talk about what they're working on, e.g., >> MueKow; I'd like to hear more details from Jim Kronebusch about >> getting the Macs to work. What else? >> >> For the second day, for people unfamiliar with LTSP, someone could >> talk about & demo K12LTSP, perhaps do an installation. CodeWeavers >> is based here in the Twin Cities, and Jeremy White, the founder, is a >> friend of mine; I thought I might invite him to talk, to show one way >> to support Windows apps on LTSP. CW has a portable LTSP/WINE/ >> CrossOver setup they use for demos, showing off MS Word 'loading' in >> just a second or two on an old Pentium 100. While I want to keep the >> focus on the community, I think some schools would like the idea that >> they could get commercial support for a K12LTSP installation, so >> perhaps there could be some support vendors there, if there's interest. >> >> I figured if I could get ten people to come for the first day, it >> would be worth doing and would be enough people to draw Jim and/or >> Eric. I think the Maine folks had about 20 (David, are your >> pictures from your conference still online?); Maine seems to have a >> lot of people doing K12LTSP, lucky dogs; hopefully 'new recruits' >> from group #2 above would increase our numbers in Minnesota. I was >> thinking perhaps a Friday-Saturday, in June after school is out; but >> I'm not a teacher so I figured I'd let those who are pick the dates. >> I thought I might try for this summer, but I just didn't have the >> time, so I've been looking toward next summer. In Minnesota, in >> October we have a two-day (Th-Fr) teacher in-service holiday when >> there's no school, to allow teachers to attend training, conferences, >> etc. I've considered that weekend, but as it's a Minnesota thing >> only, I was afraid none of the Iowa/ Wisconsin/Michigan folks would be >> able to attend. >> >> Any thoughts or interest in this? >> >> Petre >> >> >> Eric Brown wrote: >> >>> There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held >>> in Des >>> Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I >>> just found >>> out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got >>> accepted. Linux >>> was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few >>> vendors had >>> linux powered devices, but no workshops). I look forward to seeing >>> other responces to this question. I've wondered >>> why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic >>> locations. >>> Eric Brown (not the cool Eric that puts k12 together) >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] >>> On Behalf >>> Of Scott Sherrill >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 AM >>> To: k12osn at redhat.com >>> Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest >>> I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong >>> email >>> addy the first time I tried. >>> Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is shared and >>> discussed.... >>> I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on >>> midwest area >>> conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 >>> folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) >>> The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to >>> Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a >>> great conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), but >>> I open to new >>> places and pools of knowledge. >>> I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read >>> "cheap"), I >>> am open to suggestions for any other conferences across the US too. >>> I made >>> the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. >>> Thanks eh. >>> Scott >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkL87ZsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSC+wCghzOwb4x/J8wa7c09J8+GQLRK > eJ4AoIFfmAvDtDxyGHZ3P/2428tWBMQs > =duYp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 19:20:21 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:20:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys Message-ID: Hi, I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible userkeys used by windows Group Policy http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html Certainly a wonderful source of info !! Kevin From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 12 19:21:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:21:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smbldap-bulk-useradd change password encryption In-Reply-To: <000501c59f4b$e418c7c0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000a01c59f72$f9f99a20$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > I have an existing username and password base that I need to > re-populate on this server. Or does anyone have a script > that I can give username,passwd and it will run through the > necessary steps to re-run smbpasswd on all users? Anyone know what switches to add to smbpasswd so that I can do something like "smbpasswd username passwd" and not have it prompt me for a password? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rusty at enveloptech.com Fri Aug 12 19:43:02 2005 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:43:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F69@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Yes, but the problem you will run into is that the user does not have permission to change the policy sections of the registry because otherwise policies would be ineffective -- the user could just go into the registry themselves and change it to get around it. Thus even though we are talking about HKeyCurrentUser, which belongs to the user, the permissions on the policy sections of the registry are locked down to prevent the user from making changes. Trying to change that setting via a script will fail because the script runs in the security context of the user -- and the user doesn't have permission to change it (unless they happen to be a member of the local admins group). To verify this open up the registry editor and try to change that registry key manually. What you need is to be able to run your script in the security context of another user. I suppose there are some third party tools to do that -- never gone searching for it, however. The way it is designed to work is that policy settings are controlled through group policy -- which unfortunately locks you into Microsoft because group policy requires active directory. Personally, in the same way that Samba separates file sharing from Windows, I'd like to see something similar for group policy. I know the open source community can 'out-microsoft' microsoft. Are there any open source alternatives to group policy?? Rusty Pywtorak -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:11 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini And this looks like the user key to modify HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ Windows\ CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\ NoInstrumentation REG_DWORD = (1) From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 12 19:48:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:48:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smbldap-bulk-useradd change password encryption In-Reply-To: <000a01c59f72$f9f99a20$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000b01c59f76$db449770$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Anyone know what switches to add to smbpasswd so that I can > do something like "smbpasswd username passwd" and not have it > prompt me for a password? Okay, I figured out the syntax I need. # (echo $password;echo $password) | smbpasswd -s $username Now if anyone can help me with a script that would parse a file called userpasswords in the format of username,password and do something like for everyline in userpasswords set $username as username and $password as password and then run the above command I would be set. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 12 19:54:36 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:54:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smbldap-bulk-useradd change password encryption In-Reply-To: <000b01c59f76$db449770$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000c01c59f77$aaffe9b0$0178060a@winonacotter.org> > Okay, I figured out the syntax I need. > > # (echo $password;echo $password) | smbpasswd -s $username > > Now if anyone can help me with a script that would parse a > file called userpasswords in the format of username,password > and do something like for everyline in userpasswords set > $username as username and $password as password and then run > the above command I would be set. Nevermind. I just created a query in my database that took the appropriate fields and filled in the extra stuff for me. Then exported it to a file, made it executable and ran it. Thanks -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 8/11/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Aug 12 19:54:34 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:54:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_04 Message-ID: <1123876474.8855.8.camel@matthew.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, I've been trying to get our Win2003 TS to come up on screen 4. I edited the lts.conf and the inittab but all I get is a "Press Enter" message in the middle of the screen. Pressing enter locks up the terminal. Any suggestions? Thanks, John From jam at mcquil.com Fri Aug 12 19:56:29 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_04 In-Reply-To: <1123876474.8855.8.camel@matthew.stmarys-school.lan> References: <1123876474.8855.8.camel@matthew.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: John, Can you show me your inittab file? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > I've been trying to get our Win2003 TS to come up on screen 4. > I edited the lts.conf and the inittab but all I get is a > "Press Enter" message in the middle of the screen. > > Pressing enter locks up the terminal. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 12 20:04:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:04:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smbldap-bulk-useradd change password encryption In-Reply-To: <000b01c59f76$db449770$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000b01c59f76$db449770$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1123877080.4712.60.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 14:48, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Anyone know what switches to add to smbpasswd so that I can > > do something like "smbpasswd username passwd" and not have it > > prompt me for a password? > > Okay, I figured out the syntax I need. > > # (echo $password;echo $password) | smbpasswd -s $username > > Now if anyone can help me with a script that would parse a file called > userpasswords in the format of username,password and do something like > for everyline in userpasswords set $username as username and $password > as password and then run the above command I would be set. You have to show the file format if you want help parsing it. If it is username password with whitespace between you can: while read username password do (echo $password;echo $password) | smbpasswd -s $username done < file You can fiddle with IFS to split on something other than whitespace and use dummy variables to offset the position but it's probably easier to let sed convert to the format above and pipe to the loop. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Aug 12 20:08:48 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:08:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_04 In-Reply-To: References: <1123876474.8855.8.camel@matthew.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <1123877328.8855.10.camel@matthew.stmarys-school.lan> Here ya go: BTW, Congratulations! on Best of Show # # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) # # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt # id:5:initdefault: si::sysinit:/etc/rc.sysinit 1:3:respawn:/bin/startsess tty1 /bin/bash --login s1:5:respawn:/bin/startsess tty1 /etc/screen_session s2:5:respawn:/bin/startsess tty2 /etc/screen_session s3:5:respawn:/bin/startsess tty3 /etc/screen_session s4:5:respawn:/bin/startsess tty4 /etc/screen_session s5:5:off:/bin/startsess tty5 /etc/screen_session s6:5:off:/bin/startsess tty6 /etc/screen_session s7:5:off:/bin/startsess tty7 /etc/screen_session s8:5:off:/bin/startsess tty8 /etc/screen_session s9:5:off:/bin/startsess tty9 /etc/screen_session sa:5:off:/bin/startsess tty10 /etc/screen_session sb:5:off:/bin/startsess tty11 /etc/screen_session sc:5:off:/bin/startsess tty12 /etc/screen_session On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 15:56 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > John, > > Can you show me your inittab file? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, John Baillie wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I've been trying to get our Win2003 TS to come up on screen 4. > > I edited the lts.conf and the inittab but all I get is a > > "Press Enter" message in the middle of the screen. > > > > Pressing enter locks up the terminal. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 21:13:06 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:13:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F69@exchange2k3.comlink.local> References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F69@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Message-ID: <417CA473-D5E3-420C-9809-A6720B49FC15@telenet.be> Would the command 'Runas' do the magic trick in the batch file? example runas Administartor:passwd GROUPPOL.bat from out of the startup.bat file? Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 21:43 heeft Rusty Pywtorak het volgende geschreven: > Yes, but the problem you will run into is that the user does not have > permission to change the policy sections of the registry because > otherwise policies would be ineffective -- the user could just go into > the registry themselves and change it to get around it. Thus even > though > we are talking about HKeyCurrentUser, which belongs to the user, the > permissions on the policy sections of the registry are locked down to > prevent the user from making changes. > > Trying to change that setting via a script will fail because the > script > runs in the security context of the user -- and the user doesn't have > permission to change it (unless they happen to be a member of the > local > admins group). To verify this open up the registry editor and try to > change that registry key manually. > > What you need is to be able to run your script in the security context > of another user. I suppose there are some third party tools to do that > -- never gone searching for it, however. > > The way it is designed to work is that policy settings are controlled > through group policy -- which unfortunately locks you into Microsoft > because group policy requires active directory. Personally, in the > same > way that Samba separates file sharing from Windows, I'd like to see > something similar for group policy. > > I know the open source community can 'out-microsoft' microsoft. Are > there any open source alternatives to group policy?? > > Rusty Pywtorak > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:11 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini > > And this looks like the user key to modify > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ > Windows\ > CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\ > NoInstrumentation > REG_DWORD = (1) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 21:19:17 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:19:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <417CA473-D5E3-420C-9809-A6720B49FC15@telenet.be> References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F69@exchange2k3.comlink.local> <417CA473-D5E3-420C-9809-A6720B49FC15@telenet.be> Message-ID: <987D02BA-14D7-4F23-AC02-87DAB68C2FED@telenet.be> This program will allow you to run any file with a predefined passwd as Admin http://www.lansweeper.com/ls/lsrunasold.aspx Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 23:13 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > Would the command 'Runas' do the magic trick in the batch file? > > example > > runas Administartor:passwd GROUPPOL.bat > > from out of the startup.bat file? > > Kevin > > > > Op 12-aug-05, om 21:43 heeft Rusty Pywtorak het volgende geschreven: > > >> Yes, but the problem you will run into is that the user does not have >> permission to change the policy sections of the registry because >> otherwise policies would be ineffective -- the user could just go >> into >> the registry themselves and change it to get around it. Thus even >> though >> we are talking about HKeyCurrentUser, which belongs to the user, the >> permissions on the policy sections of the registry are locked down to >> prevent the user from making changes. >> >> Trying to change that setting via a script will fail because the >> script >> runs in the security context of the user -- and the user doesn't have >> permission to change it (unless they happen to be a member of the >> local >> admins group). To verify this open up the registry editor and try to >> change that registry key manually. >> >> What you need is to be able to run your script in the security >> context >> of another user. I suppose there are some third party tools to do >> that >> -- never gone searching for it, however. >> >> The way it is designed to work is that policy settings are controlled >> through group policy -- which unfortunately locks you into Microsoft >> because group policy requires active directory. Personally, in the >> same >> way that Samba separates file sharing from Windows, I'd like to see >> something similar for group policy. >> >> I know the open source community can 'out-microsoft' microsoft. Are >> there any open source alternatives to group policy?? >> >> Rusty Pywtorak >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:11 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini >> >> And this looks like the user key to modify >> >> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ >> Windows\ >> CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\ >> NoInstrumentation >> REG_DWORD = (1) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Aug 12 21:23:20 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:23:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop.ini In-Reply-To: <987D02BA-14D7-4F23-AC02-87DAB68C2FED@telenet.be> References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4F69@exchange2k3.comlink.local> <417CA473-D5E3-420C-9809-A6720B49FC15@telenet.be> <987D02BA-14D7-4F23-AC02-87DAB68C2FED@telenet.be> Message-ID: <248AA36A-0E9E-4568-B4BD-8FA4EA411954@telenet.be> And one more tool to run as any other user: http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 23:19 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > This program will allow you to run any file with a predefined > passwd as Admin > > http://www.lansweeper.com/ls/lsrunasold.aspx > > Kevin > > Op 12-aug-05, om 23:13 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > > >> Would the command 'Runas' do the magic trick in the batch file? >> >> example >> >> runas Administartor:passwd GROUPPOL.bat >> >> from out of the startup.bat file? >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:43 heeft Rusty Pywtorak het volgende geschreven: >> >> >> >>> Yes, but the problem you will run into is that the user does not >>> have >>> permission to change the policy sections of the registry because >>> otherwise policies would be ineffective -- the user could just go >>> into >>> the registry themselves and change it to get around it. Thus even >>> though >>> we are talking about HKeyCurrentUser, which belongs to the user, the >>> permissions on the policy sections of the registry are locked >>> down to >>> prevent the user from making changes. >>> >>> Trying to change that setting via a script will fail because the >>> script >>> runs in the security context of the user -- and the user doesn't >>> have >>> permission to change it (unless they happen to be a member of the >>> local >>> admins group). To verify this open up the registry editor and try to >>> change that registry key manually. >>> >>> What you need is to be able to run your script in the security >>> context >>> of another user. I suppose there are some third party tools to do >>> that >>> -- never gone searching for it, however. >>> >>> The way it is designed to work is that policy settings are >>> controlled >>> through group policy -- which unfortunately locks you into Microsoft >>> because group policy requires active directory. Personally, in >>> the same >>> way that Samba separates file sharing from Windows, I'd like to see >>> something similar for group policy. >>> >>> I know the open source community can 'out-microsoft' microsoft. Are >>> there any open source alternatives to group policy?? >>> >>> Rusty Pywtorak >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn- >>> bounces at redhat.com] On >>> Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:11 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop.ini >>> >>> And this looks like the user key to modify >>> >>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ >>> Windows\ >>> CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\ >>> NoInstrumentation >>> REG_DWORD = (1) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 12 22:45:33 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:45:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <42FCF5DD.4020803@maltzen.net> References: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> <9FFD95C6-A90F-430F-9FD1-4C3CED6E42FB@mindfirestudios.com> <42FCF5DD.4020803@maltzen.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fargo, so the twin cities are about a 4 hour drive, Duluth a little farther. On Aug 12, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > Burke, > Where are you located? > > Petre > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkL9Jo4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRgCgCfYNKSC+m7gD1r4NcTBY/p+jL9 NAAAmwRgddzVij9757QdyRtT7uTYj0kx =XUcb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Aug 13 04:05:24 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:05:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] V.4.4 install: HELP!(resolved) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Before implementing Eric's solution, I decided to use a crossover cable to connect a Thin Client (eth0 had to be activated) - the station booted flawlessly, which meant the VLan was acting up. Hours later one of the network gurus confirmed that the Gig uplink was not operating properly, but was able to reset it and now all 90 workstations can log in. Those of you that have worked with Dell4600s know they are awesome machines... I am still suggesting IceWM and AbiWord to keep memory loads manageable. Thanks Eric and all for the help you continuously provide the group Alan -==- >On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Alan A Hodson wrote: > >>For a school starting classes tomorrow, I did a K12LTSP 4.4 install >>(Dell 4600) and all came up roses except the eth0 - the usual >>reinstalls, 'neat' checks, updates, etc did not help, so in >>desperation I did a RESTORECON documented below >> >>[root at WarriorNet1 ~]# restorecon -R / >>lstat(/dev/pts) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/net) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/proc) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/sys) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/misc) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/mixer) failed: Permission denied >>lstat(/opt/ltsp/i386/dev/dsp1) failed: Permission denied >>[root at WarriorNet1 ~]# >> >>Now, this being such a drastic rescue tool, I was sure it was going >>to save the day, but it didn't. I still don't have active dhcpd - >>if anyone has any suggestions, I welcome them all. > >>> Eric Harrison >If you think that it may be a SELinux related problem, here is a quick >way to check: > 1) disable selinux enforcement: > echo 0 > /selinux/enforce > 2) restart dhcpd > /sbin/service dhcpd restart >If that fixes it, odds are pretty good that you installed an earlier >beta. This should fix it: > 1) do the updates (sounds like you did this already) > 2) run: > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/selinux-alter.sh > 3) reboot >Let us know how it goes... >-Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 13 05:38:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:38:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input Message-ID: Ok...first the layout.... I have 2 K12LTSP servers....both are single NIC servers since all machines are on the same subnet....no private subnets for terminals...everyone on the same network. To simplify this I have a seperate machine that runs DHCP. DCHP is turned OFF on the K12LTSP boxes. I use the "next server" and "option root path" on the DHCP server to tell the terminals where to go to get their image (kernel). Now...up until now I've only had one big K12LTSP server so all of this was easy...now I have another and would like to try a combination of load-balancing and/or failover. Now....I've read http://republico.estv.ipv.pt/~nmct/ltsp/ha/ltsp-ha-howto-en-gpl.html but this document depends on DHCP to be running on the LSTP boxes....and that's not what I'm doing. Also bear in mind that since I run Samba/LDAP....syncing the servers is not an issue as no users or home dirs live on the LTSP boxes.....both servers authenticate to the Samba/LDAP server which is where the home dirs and users live. Given all that...what I'm trying to come up with is a way to use DHCP and some creativity to acheive failover and/or load balancing.... Some ideas I've had or have had mentioned to me.... My current dhcpd.conf looks like this: default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; server-name "squidward.vcs.u52.k12.me.us"; next-server 10.0.15.253; option subnet-mask 255.255.240.0; option broadcast-address 10.0.0.255; option routers 10.0.15.254; #option domain-name-servers 10.0.15.254; option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.1; option domain-name "vcs.u52.k12.me.us"; option root-path "10.0.15.253:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.240.0 { range dynamic-bootp 10.0.0.100 10.0.15.252; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 10.0.15.254; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 10.0.15.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 10.0.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; *snip* Now....notice the "next server" line up above and the option root-path "10.0.15.253:/opt/ltsp/i386"; These are in the global section....one question I had is....if I put these in the workstation declarations down below pointing to Server #2 (10.0.14.253 ) would that override the globals? Example: host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 10.0.0.1; next-server 10.0.14.253; option root-path "10.0.14.253:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } OR....another intriguing idea for failover is to have a script that pings the servers (Server 1 and Server 2) to see if they are "alive"....it would assume a dhcpd.conf pointing to Server 1.....but if Server 1 turns out to be "dead"....do something like this.... Ping Server 1....if alive continue using dhcpd.conf.....if dead then... service dhcpd stop mv dhcpd.conf dhcpd-serverone.conf mv dhcpd-servertwo.conf dhcpd.conf service dhcpd start this is crude I know, but just trying to illustrate the idea....the script could "ping" every 2 mins or so. I have no idea how to write the ping and response piece...so I'd need some of you scripters for that. The idea is that one is the preferred dhcpd.conf, but if that fails....use the other....and one could get very creative with that. I could (if it can be done) with dhcpd.conf (assuming Server 1 is alive) have my lab machines declared in the workstations section as pointing to Server 1 and all others to Server 2.....if Server 1 dies....the alternate dhcpd.conf file could simply say...everyone uses Server 2. ...and so forth. It could also reverse itself in that once Server 1 comes back up....it could revert to the original dhcpd.conf file OR.... might there be a way to put a statement in dhcpd.conf or essentially two sets of "globals" in the dhcpd.conf that might do a similar thing....(an "if" , "else" perhaps?) Workstation contacts DHCP server...it says....check here for your kernel....if not there....then go here (Server 2).....is that even possible? Ideas.....thoughts? Suggestions? Perhaps a script or two? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 13 06:54:17 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:54:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> References: <200508121413.j7CED6A11611@www.mi-spot.com> <42FCD664.8080609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: To take this whole thing up a notch if you wish....we could duplicate what Matt Oquist and I did this year (this was actually the third year) with the Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy in Bethel Maine this past June. http://www.nelinux.net We had about 80 people mostly from Maine and NH, but we had folks from as far south as Florida, as far west as California, and some from Canada. Maddog Hall was there as well as Jim McQuillan. It was 3 days of Linux learning and "networking" with others. We stayed on campus in the dorms...ate awesome meals in the dining hall and had a heck of a time! We could do something like that in the Mid-west! What we'd need is a private school or University (we're looking for inexpensive housing here...as well as meals) who'd be willing to host the event (for a fee of course). We were able to charge only $400 per attendee which included 3 days of conferences, all meals, and lodging. Heckuva' deal huh? Now....granted, we may not be able to keep the cost the same, but maybe we could come close. If anyone is willing to head up looking for a location....I'd be willing to see what we can do to help organize an event like this for next summer if you'd like. :-) Having done this for three years now...I'd be willing to spearhead the organization of it. Also....not that it's much closer, but Matt and I are planning to host a similar conference in New Hampshire next summer as well along with the continuation of the original at Gould Academy. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, August 12, 2005 at 1:03 PM +0000 wrote: >When David Trask and Chuck Liebow, et al, organized their "Maine >get-together of >K12LTSP-ers" last year (or was it two years ago now?), Chris Bacigalupo >from Duluth, MN >offered his city as an alternative site for the Maine conference, not >entirely in jest. >I started keeping track of people on the list who seemed to be >not-too-far from >Minneapolis, where I am, with the jealous hope of someday organizing >something similar >(your name is on the list already, Scott). I was hoping to get enough >people to make >it worth Jim's and/or Eric's time to come out for it. I only have about >a dozen names >so far, and some of those haven't been heard from on the list for a >while, so I don't >know how active they are. (Chris, are you still on this list?) > >There are two reasons for such a conference: > >1. It would be great fun, allowing some of us to meet face-to-face. It >would be >helpful to learn more about what others are doing with LTSP, and it would >inspirational. > This project works because of the community, and this would be a way to >enhance that >community. > >2. I thought I would try to invite people from all the other schools in >town, to >introduce them to LTSP, to show them a better way of providing computing >services to >schools. Show them how easy it is to install K12LTSP, how it makes >better use of >resources, how it's easier to manage, perhaps cover the natural symbiosis >between >education and OSS, etc. I'd LOVE to show them all of Jim Kronebusch's >various Macs all >running as thin clients! > >The tricky part is that the above are two different audiences: the first >would involve >people who already understand LTSP, while the second would be more of the >uninitiated. >But I think they could both be accomodated if we had, say, two days, >where the first >would be focused on topics that assume you already understand LTSP, and >the second day >would be more introductory, or vice-versa. > >Then there's the question of topics and format. If Jim M. and/or Eric >could come, they >could talk about what they're working on, e.g., MueKow; I'd like to hear >more details >from Jim Kronebusch about getting the Macs to work. What else? > >For the second day, for people unfamiliar with LTSP, someone could talk >about & demo >K12LTSP, perhaps do an installation. CodeWeavers is based here in the >Twin Cities, and >Jeremy White, the founder, is a friend of mine; I thought I might invite >him to talk, to >show one way to support Windows apps on LTSP. CW has a portable >LTSP/WINE/CrossOver >setup they use for demos, showing off MS Word 'loading' in just a second >or two on an >old Pentium 100. While I want to keep the focus on the community, I >think some schools >would like the idea that they could get commercial support for a K12LTSP >installation, >so perhaps there could be some support vendors there, if there's interest. > >I figured if I could get ten people to come for the first day, it would >be worth doing >and would be enough people to draw Jim and/or Eric. I think the Maine >folks had about >20 (David, are your pictures from your conference still online?); Maine >seems to have a >lot of people doing K12LTSP, lucky dogs; hopefully 'new recruits' from >group #2 above >would increase our numbers in Minnesota. I was thinking perhaps a >Friday-Saturday, in >June after school is out; but I'm not a teacher so I figured I'd let >those who are pick >the dates. I thought I might try for this summer, but I just didn't have >the time, so >I've been looking toward next summer. In Minnesota, in October we have a >two-day >(Th-Fr) teacher in-service holiday when there's no school, to allow >teachers to attend >training, conferences, etc. I've considered that weekend, but as it's a >Minnesota thing >only, I was afraid none of the Iowa/Wisconsin/Michigan folks would be >able to attend. > >Any thoughts or interest in this? > >Petre > > >Eric Brown wrote: >> There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held in >Des >> Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I just >found >> out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got accepted. >Linux >> was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few vendors >had >> linux powered devices, but no workshops). >> >> I look forward to seeing other responces to this question. I've >wondered >> why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic locations. >> >> Eric Brown (not the cool Eric that puts k12 together) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf >> Of Scott Sherrill >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 AM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest >> >> >> I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong email >> addy the first time I tried. >> >> Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is shared and >> discussed.... >> >> I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on midwest >area >> conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 >> folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) >> >> The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to >> Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a great >> conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), but I open >to new >> places and pools of knowledge. >> >> I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read >"cheap"), I >> am open to suggestions for any other conferences across the US too. I >made >> the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. >> >> Thanks eh. >> >> Scott >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From moquist at majen.net Sat Aug 13 06:53:50 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:53:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050813065350.GA9458@majen.net> > Now....notice the "next server" line up above and the > > option root-path "10.0.15.253:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > These are in the global section....one question I had is....if I put these > in the workstation declarations down below pointing to Server #2 > (10.0.14.253 ) would that override the globals? Example: Yes. Also, I wonder if you could set up internal DNS and use hostnames instead of IP addresses for the root-path and next-server. Assuming for our discussion that your two LTSP servers are 10.0.14.253 and 10.0.14.252, you would put this in your DNS zone file (after the SOA and all that): ltsp A 10.0.14.252 ltsp A 10.0.14.253 According to "DNS & Bind" (a book every administrator should have) this will give you Round Robin Load Distribution (p. 273). Your DHCP options would then be: option root-path "ltsp.daves.school:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option next-server "ltsp.daves.school"; The DNS server will alternate between the IP addresses. Since the kernels on the two LTSP servers will be identical it probably doesn't matter that a given client could get the kernel from one server and root from the other. And since (I assume) the client only mounts root once, each client should get its IP address for 'ltsp.daves.school', mount root, and be done with it. A problem could arise if a given client would need to ask for the LTSP server's hostname later on. For example, if the client has an application running and that application creates temporary files on the server, and the client asks for "ltsp.daves.school" and gets the other LTSP server's IP address, then the client may try to communicate with the wrong server about the application running on the other server, and it might matter. Or something like that. This is all assuming that those DHCP options can use hostnames instead of IP addresses, and I don't know for sure about that. I guess I could test... /me tests It appears to work fine to use hostnames for those options in dhcpd.conf. > OR....another intriguing idea for failover is to have a script that pings > the servers (Server 1 and Server 2) to see if they are "alive"....it would > assume a dhcpd.conf pointing to Server 1.....but if Server 1 turns out to > be "dead"....do something like this.... > > Ping Server 1....if alive continue using dhcpd.conf.....if dead then... > > service dhcpd stop > mv dhcpd.conf dhcpd-serverone.conf > mv dhcpd-servertwo.conf dhcpd.conf > service dhcpd start Yep, this is also a good idea. My preference would be to use a symlink for dhcpd.conf, pointing to one of your two confs. Then, in case of trouble: $ service dhcpd stop $ ln -sf dhcpd-servertwo.conf dhcpd.conf $ service dhcpd start > this is crude I know, but just trying to illustrate the idea.... Dude, that's how *nix works. It is full of delightfully fun, crude stuff just like that. :) /me has been reading the Unix Hater's Handbook. It's not as good as BIND & DNS, but it's still worth reading. What I'm working on right now is a simple hot-spare setup...for any Linux box, but with LTSP in mind. This would enable a low-end box with enough disk space to be a backup and pinch-hitting hot spare for a beefy LTSP server. The spare may not be able to run [m]any thin clients, but it can certainly still do DHCP & DNS for a network with lots of non-LTSP boxes depending on it. (Yes, this will consist almost entirely of 'rsync', but I want to have a text file listing config files *not* to overwrite on the spare *until you need to use it*. And then I want a single command to move all the configs appropriately and give the pinch-hitter the bat.) Anywho, that's related to what you're working on so I thought I'd mention it. :) --matt -- -- Software Engineering Consultant 718 Fox Hollow Drive Hudson, NH 03051 U.S.A. +1 603-881-3808 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 13 07:11:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:11:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <20050813065350.GA9458@majen.net> References: <20050813065350.GA9458@majen.net> Message-ID: So cool! Getting to the idea of the script testing to see who's alive and all (I like the DNS round robin idea a lot, but the idea of hostname after the fact scares me as I know some apps do that...I've had issues...so until I can explore further)....how would you write a script that would ping a server....if alive...then so be it....but if dead....do the following "xxxx" I have no idea how I would go about doing the whole ping, response, if....thingy. Any pointers? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 2:53 AM +0000 wrote: >> Now....notice the "next server" line up above and the >> >> option root-path "10.0.15.253:/opt/ltsp/i386"; >> >> These are in the global section....one question I had is....if I put >these >> in the workstation declarations down below pointing to Server #2 >> (10.0.14.253 ) would that override the globals? Example: > >Yes. > >Also, I wonder if you could set up internal DNS and use hostnames >instead of IP addresses for the root-path and next-server. Assuming >for our discussion that your two LTSP servers are 10.0.14.253 and >10.0.14.252, you would put this in your DNS zone file (after the SOA >and all that): > >ltsp A 10.0.14.252 >ltsp A 10.0.14.253 > >According to "DNS & Bind" (a book every administrator should have) >this will give you Round Robin Load Distribution (p. 273). > >Your DHCP options would then be: >option root-path "ltsp.daves.school:/opt/ltsp/i386"; >option next-server "ltsp.daves.school"; > >The DNS server will alternate between the IP addresses. Since the >kernels on the two LTSP servers will be identical it probably doesn't >matter that a given client could get the kernel from one server and >root from the other. And since (I assume) the client only mounts root >once, each client should get its IP address for 'ltsp.daves.school', >mount root, and be done with it. > >A problem could arise if a given client would need to ask for the >LTSP server's hostname later on. For example, if the client has an >application running and that application creates temporary files on >the server, and the client asks for "ltsp.daves.school" and gets the >other LTSP server's IP address, then the client may try to communicate >with the wrong server about the application running on the other >server, and it might matter. Or something like that. > >This is all assuming that those DHCP options can use hostnames instead >of IP addresses, and I don't know for sure about that. I guess >I could test... > >/me tests > >It appears to work fine to use hostnames for those options in >dhcpd.conf. > > >> OR....another intriguing idea for failover is to have a script that >pings >> the servers (Server 1 and Server 2) to see if they are "alive"....it >would >> assume a dhcpd.conf pointing to Server 1.....but if Server 1 turns out >to >> be "dead"....do something like this.... >> >> Ping Server 1....if alive continue using dhcpd.conf.....if dead then... >> >> service dhcpd stop >> mv dhcpd.conf dhcpd-serverone.conf >> mv dhcpd-servertwo.conf dhcpd.conf >> service dhcpd start > >Yep, this is also a good idea. >My preference would be to use a symlink for dhcpd.conf, pointing to >one of your two confs. Then, in case of trouble: > >$ service dhcpd stop >$ ln -sf dhcpd-servertwo.conf dhcpd.conf >$ service dhcpd start > >> this is crude I know, but just trying to illustrate the idea.... > >Dude, that's how *nix works. It is full of delightfully fun, crude >stuff just like that. :) > >/me has been reading the Unix Hater's Handbook. It's not as good as >BIND & DNS, but it's still worth reading. > >What I'm working on right now is a simple hot-spare setup...for >any Linux box, but with LTSP in mind. This would enable a low-end box >with enough disk space to be a backup and pinch-hitting hot spare for >a beefy LTSP server. The spare may not be able to run [m]any thin >clients, but it can certainly still do DHCP & DNS for a network with >lots of non-LTSP boxes depending on it. (Yes, this will consist >almost entirely of 'rsync', but I want to have a text file listing >config files *not* to overwrite on the spare *until you need to use >it*. And then I want a single command to move all the configs >appropriately and give the pinch-hitter the bat.) > >Anywho, that's related to what you're working on so I thought I'd >mention it. :) > >--matt > >-- >-- >Software Engineering Consultant > >718 Fox Hollow Drive >Hudson, NH 03051 U.S.A. >+1 603-881-3808 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Sat Aug 13 14:06:11 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <20050813065350.GA9458@majen.net> References: <20050813065350.GA9458@majen.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Matt Oquist wrote: > > Now....notice the "next server" line up above and the > > > > option root-path "10.0.15.253:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > > > These are in the global section....one question I had is....if I put these > > in the workstation declarations down below pointing to Server #2 > > (10.0.14.253 ) would that override the globals? Example: > > Yes. > > Also, I wonder if you could set up internal DNS and use hostnames > instead of IP addresses for the root-path and next-server. Assuming > for our discussion that your two LTSP servers are 10.0.14.253 and > 10.0.14.252, you would put this in your DNS zone file (after the SOA > and all that): > > ltsp A 10.0.14.252 > ltsp A 10.0.14.253 > > According to "DNS & Bind" (a book every administrator should have) > this will give you Round Robin Load Distribution (p. 273). > > Your DHCP options would then be: > option root-path "ltsp.daves.school:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option next-server "ltsp.daves.school"; the 'next-server' parameter is used by the bootrom. I know that Etherboot isn't going to work with a hostname, because there is no resolver in the Etherboot code. It's only going to want an IP address. I don't know if PXE has a resolver or not, so some experimenting is in order. the 'root-path' parameter is used by the LTSP initrd image. Again, a hostname isn't going to work here, because the initrd doesn't have the resolver libraries. It's expecting a hostname and a directory pathname, separated by a colon. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Aug 13 14:16:47 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:16:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >Ok...first the layout.... > >I have 2 K12LTSP servers....both are single NIC servers since all machines >are on the same subnet....no private subnets for terminals...everyone on >the same network. To simplify this I have a seperate machine that runs >DHCP. DCHP is turned OFF on the K12LTSP boxes. I use the "next server" >and "option root path" on the DHCP server to tell the terminals where to >go to get their image (kernel). Now...up until now I've only had one big >K12LTSP server so all of this was easy...now I have another and would like >to try a combination of load-balancing and/or failover. > >snip ---> > > >Ideas.....thoughts? Suggestions? Perhaps a script or two? > > I have been scratching my head over this subject too. My first thought was round robin DNS. Round robin DNS works great for http, ftp and even mail servers but a quick response from #LTSP informed me that there is no name resolution at the early stages of the LTSP client boot sequence. I was wondering if the logic could be built into the os on the terminal? For instance if you drop to a shell in SCREEN_02 and unplug the network cable you see "nfs at 192.168.0.254 not responding" at this point we have lost control of the os because / is nfs mounted but there is a 1MB /tmp mounted on a ram disk and is still there. seems like it would be possible pass an argument that says if IP X is not responding try IP Y Since we have multiple ltsp servers running and / is mounted off of server1 whats stopping us from mounting all available root dirs as: / / server2 / server3 /server4 and so on. if server 1 goes down rerun the pivot_root (refer to step 9 in the theory of operation) The above is for fail over. For load ballancing at step 7 and 8 in the theory of operation we have already loaded the kernel and dhclient runs. Quote: "A small DHCP client called* dhclient* will then be run, to make another query from the DHCP server. We need to do this separate user-space query, because we need more information than the bootrom retrieved with the first dhcp query." For multiple ltsp servers it seems like we need even more information. Like what's the state of all our servers. Run a script that queries servers and builds a file. Apply logic to said file and determine what server dhclient will poll. Am I barking up the wrong tree here? John From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sat Aug 13 15:59:30 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:59:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200508131557.j7DFvdA28064@www.mi-spot.com> David Out of curosity, do you ever have any vendors at your conferences? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:54 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest To take this whole thing up a notch if you wish....we could duplicate what Matt Oquist and I did this year (this was actually the third year) with the Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy in Bethel Maine this past June. http://www.nelinux.net We had about 80 people mostly from Maine and NH, but we had folks from as far south as Florida, as far west as California, and some from Canada. Maddog Hall was there as well as Jim McQuillan. It was 3 days of Linux learning and "networking" with others. We stayed on campus in the dorms...ate awesome meals in the dining hall and had a heck of a time! We could do something like that in the Mid-west! What we'd need is a private school or University (we're looking for inexpensive housing here...as well as meals) who'd be willing to host the event (for a fee of course). We were able to charge only $400 per attendee which included 3 days of conferences, all meals, and lodging. Heckuva' deal huh? Now....granted, we may not be able to keep the cost the same, but maybe we could come close. If anyone is willing to head up looking for a location....I'd be willing to see what we can do to help organize an event like this for next summer if you'd like. :-) Having done this for three years now...I'd be willing to spearhead the organization of it. Also....not that it's much closer, but Matt and I are planning to host a similar conference in New Hampshire next summer as well along with the continuation of the original at Gould Academy. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, August 12, 2005 at 1:03 PM +0000 wrote: >When David Trask and Chuck Liebow, et al, organized their "Maine >get-together of K12LTSP-ers" last year (or was it two years ago now?), >Chris Bacigalupo from Duluth, MN offered his city as an alternative >site for the Maine conference, not entirely in jest. >I started keeping track of people on the list who seemed to be >not-too-far from Minneapolis, where I am, with the jealous hope of >someday organizing something similar >(your name is on the list already, Scott). I was hoping to get enough >people to make >it worth Jim's and/or Eric's time to come out for it. I only have >about a dozen names so far, and some of those haven't been heard from >on the list for a while, so I don't know how active they are. (Chris, >are you still on this list?) > >There are two reasons for such a conference: > >1. It would be great fun, allowing some of us to meet face-to-face. >It would be helpful to learn more about what others are doing with >LTSP, and it would inspirational. > This project works because of the community, and this would be a way >to enhance that community. > >2. I thought I would try to invite people from all the other schools >in town, to introduce them to LTSP, to show them a better way of >providing computing services to schools. Show them how easy it is to >install K12LTSP, how it makes better use of resources, how it's easier >to manage, perhaps cover the natural symbiosis between education and >OSS, etc. I'd LOVE to show them all of Jim Kronebusch's various Macs >all running as thin clients! > >The tricky part is that the above are two different audiences: the >first would involve people who already understand LTSP, while the >second would be more of the uninitiated. >But I think they could both be accomodated if we had, say, two days, >where the first would be focused on topics that assume you already >understand LTSP, and the second day would be more introductory, or >vice-versa. > >Then there's the question of topics and format. If Jim M. and/or Eric >could come, they could talk about what they're working on, e.g., >MueKow; I'd like to hear more details from Jim Kronebusch about getting >the Macs to work. What else? > >For the second day, for people unfamiliar with LTSP, someone could talk >about & demo K12LTSP, perhaps do an installation. CodeWeavers is based >here in the Twin Cities, and Jeremy White, the founder, is a friend of >mine; I thought I might invite him to talk, to show one way to support >Windows apps on LTSP. CW has a portable LTSP/WINE/CrossOver setup they >use for demos, showing off MS Word 'loading' in just a second or two on >an old Pentium 100. While I want to keep the focus on the community, I >think some schools would like the idea that they could get commercial >support for a K12LTSP installation, so perhaps there could be some >support vendors there, if there's interest. > >I figured if I could get ten people to come for the first day, it would >be worth doing >and would be enough people to draw Jim and/or Eric. I think the Maine >folks had about >20 (David, are your pictures from your conference still online?); Maine >seems to have a lot of people doing K12LTSP, lucky dogs; hopefully 'new >recruits' from group #2 above would increase our numbers in Minnesota. >I was thinking perhaps a Friday-Saturday, in June after school is out; >but I'm not a teacher so I figured I'd let those who are pick the >dates. I thought I might try for this summer, but I just didn't have >the time, so I've been looking toward next summer. In Minnesota, in >October we have a two-day >(Th-Fr) teacher in-service holiday when there's no school, to allow >teachers to attend training, conferences, etc. I've considered that >weekend, but as it's a Minnesota thing only, I was afraid none of the >Iowa/Wisconsin/Michigan folks would be able to attend. > >Any thoughts or interest in this? > >Petre > > >Eric Brown wrote: >> There's the Iowa Technology in Education Connection conference held >> in >Des >> Moines this October (http://www.itec-ia.org/confer/index.htm). I >> just >found >> out that my proposal to run a workshop on K12LTSP just got accepted. >Linux >> was incredibly under represented at the last conference (a few >> vendors >had >> linux powered devices, but no workshops). >> >> I look forward to seeing other responces to this question. I've >wondered >> why more conferences aren't held in a more central geographic locations. >> >> Eric Brown (not the cool Eric that puts k12 together) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf >> Of Scott Sherrill >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 AM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest >> >> >> I apologize to the moderators, I posted the message with the wrong >> email addy the first time I tried. >> >> Off topic from K12LTSP but since all types of information is shared >> and discussed.... >> >> I am looking for anyone with leads (and preferably websites) on >> midwest >area >> conferences. I was thinking of a conference geared towards K12 >> folk, but not a teacher conference. Something geeky ;-) >> >> The group I work with is located in Michigan but we are closer to >> Minneapolis, and Chicago than we are to Detroit. I've found a great >> conference in Michigan (MAEDS) and Wisconsin (Brainstorm), but I open >to new >> places and pools of knowledge. >> >> I suppose if the conference is good and the price is right (read >"cheap"), I >> am open to suggestions for any other conferences across the US too. >> I >made >> the trek to NELS in Maine this year and that was another gem. >> >> Thanks eh. >> >> Scott >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 13 16:14:05 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:14:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> References: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 09:16, John Baillie wrote: > Now...up until now I've only had one big > >K12LTSP server so all of this was easy...now I have another and would like > >to try a combination of load-balancing and/or failover. > > > For multiple ltsp servers it seems like we need even more information. > Like what's the state of all our servers. Run a script that queries > servers and builds a file. Apply logic to said file and determine what > server dhclient will poll. > > Am I barking up the wrong tree here? I think the simple approach is to let each server run it's own DHCP server with non-overlapping ranges. The first one to respond to a new query gets the client and the number of addresses in the range puts a top limit on the number each will accept. If you need better balancing than that you could hack in a tiny delay in the DHCP server's answer based on the current number of connections. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Aug 13 16:40:49 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:40:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > > I think the simple approach is to let each server run it's own DHCP > server with non-overlapping ranges. Is it possible to have a file "included" in dhcpd.conf ? I ask, because I have a lot of static DHCP addresses that need to be identical on all my servers. If I could have a file specifying static maps, and include it into the individual server's conf files, it would save a lot of copy/pasting. Does that make sense? -Shawn From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 13 17:25:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:25:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Conferences in Midwest In-Reply-To: <200508131557.j7DFvdA28064@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200508131557.j7DFvdA28064@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 11:59 AM +0000 wrote: >David > >Out of curosity, do you ever have any vendors at your conferences? Yes, but in a presenter role....this year Apple computer did a couple Apple and Linux/Open Source sessions...for example David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Aug 13 17:58:08 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 12:58:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't Join NT Machine to Samba Domain Message-ID: <42FE34B0.5060800@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I addressed this issue earlier to no avail, so I thought I'd try again. I've got several Windows NT 4 machines that have to be added to our new Samba/LDAP domain. Upgrading isn't an option and not having domain security on these machines isn't an option. I've been able to add XP and 2K machines to the domain with no trouble at all, and on seemingly random occasions I can get the odd NT4 machine to join. On the XP and 2K machines it was not necessary to create a machine name at the PDC manually, the workstation takes care of all that during the process of joining the domain. When I attempt join an NT machine to the domain and tell it to add a machine account I get the error message "The machine account for this computer either does not exist or is inaccessible." If I add the machine account manually at the PDC and try to join the domain without adding the machine account I get the error "Unable to connect to the domain controller for this domain. Have your administrator check your computer account on this domain." If I add the machine account manually at the PDC and then try to join the domain at the workstation and check the option to add a machine account to the domain the existing machine account is removed from the PDC but a new one isn't created and I get the same error: "The machine account for this computer either does not exist or is inaccessible." So, I know that the workstation is contacting the PDC because it's triggering the necessary script to remove the existing machine account. However, it seems there's something amiss with the way it tries to add a new machine account. I can't even begin to imagine why it does work occasionally. I hope this extra information will help someone point me in the right direction. Any help would be appreciated. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Most great discoveries are made by mistake. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 13 18:24:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:24:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> References: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 10:16 AM +0000 wrote: >David Trask wrote: > >>Ok...first the layout.... >> >>I have 2 K12LTSP servers....both are single NIC servers since all >machines >>are on the same subnet....no private subnets for terminals...everyone on >>the same network. To simplify this I have a seperate machine that runs >>DHCP. DCHP is turned OFF on the K12LTSP boxes. I use the "next server" >>and "option root path" on the DHCP server to tell the terminals where to >>go to get their image (kernel). Now...up until now I've only had one big >>K12LTSP server so all of this was easy...now I have another and would >like >>to try a combination of load-balancing and/or failover. >> >>snip ---> >> >> > >>Ideas.....thoughts? Suggestions? Perhaps a script or two? >> >> >I have been scratching my head over this subject too. > >My first thought was round robin DNS. Round robin DNS works great for >http, ftp and even mail servers but a quick response from #LTSP informed >me that there is no name resolution at the early stages of the LTSP >client boot sequence. > >I was wondering if the logic could be built into the os on the terminal? > >For instance if you drop to a shell in SCREEN_02 > >and unplug the network cable you see "nfs at 192.168.0.254 not responding" > >at this point we have lost control of the os because / is nfs mounted >but there is a 1MB /tmp mounted on a ram disk and is still there. > >seems like it would be possible pass an argument that says if IP X is >not responding try IP Y I think you're on to something here. Obviously if the message "nfs at 192.168.0.254 not responding" is being produced, then something is obviously "in the know" and thus can tell us there's a problem...so therefore the mechanics to "harness" that answer would be necessary. Something along the lines that....if 192.168.0.254 is not responding via nfs....then try 192.168.1.254...for example. The trick would be figuring out how to do this. Then the other stuff you mentioned below to rerun pivot_root etc. (more below) I'm cross posting this in the hope that some of the LTSP guru's will see this :-) > > >Since we have multiple ltsp servers running and / is mounted off of >server1 whats stopping us from mounting all available >root dirs as: > >/ >/ server2 >/ server3 >/server4 > >and so on. > >if server 1 goes down rerun the pivot_root (refer to step 9 in the >theory of operation) > > >The above is for fail over. > > >For load ballancing > >at step 7 and 8 in the theory of operation we have already loaded the >kernel and dhclient runs. >Quote: >"A small DHCP client called* dhclient* will then be run, to make another >query from the DHCP server. We need to do this separate user-space >query, because we need more information than the bootrom retrieved with >the first dhcp query." > >For multiple ltsp servers it seems like we need even more information. >Like what's the state of all our servers. Run a script that queries >servers and builds a file. Apply logic to said file and determine what >server dhclient will poll. > >Am I barking up the wrong tree here? > >John One last thing....think about how cool this is. A few years ago we were all simply wondering how to get ONE Ltsp server up and running....now we're in a situation where many of us want to know how to provide load-balancing and failover.....shows how far we've come doesn't it? > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Aug 13 19:15:21 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:15:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <42FE46C9.9020802@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 10:16 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>David Trask wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ok...first the layout.... >>> >>>I have 2 K12LTSP servers....both are single NIC servers since all >>> >>> >>machines >> >> >>>are on the same subnet....no private subnets for terminals...everyone on >>>the same network. To simplify this I have a seperate machine that runs >>>DHCP. DCHP is turned OFF on the K12LTSP boxes. I use the "next server" >>>and "option root path" on the DHCP server to tell the terminals where to >>>go to get their image (kernel). Now...up until now I've only had one big >>>K12LTSP server so all of this was easy...now I have another and would >>> >>> >>like >> >> >>>to try a combination of load-balancing and/or failover. >>> >>>snip ---> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Ideas.....thoughts? Suggestions? Perhaps a script or two? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I have been scratching my head over this subject too. >> >>My first thought was round robin DNS. Round robin DNS works great for >>http, ftp and even mail servers but a quick response from #LTSP informed >>me that there is no name resolution at the early stages of the LTSP >>client boot sequence. >> >>I was wondering if the logic could be built into the os on the terminal? >> >>For instance if you drop to a shell in SCREEN_02 >> >>and unplug the network cable you see "nfs at 192.168.0.254 not responding" >> >>at this point we have lost control of the os because / is nfs mounted >>but there is a 1MB /tmp mounted on a ram disk and is still there. >> >>seems like it would be possible pass an argument that says if IP X is >>not responding try IP Y >> >> > > >I think you're on to something here. Obviously if the message "nfs at >192.168.0.254 not responding" is being produced, then something is >obviously "in the know" and thus can tell us there's a problem...so >therefore the mechanics to "harness" that answer would be necessary. >Something along the lines that....if 192.168.0.254 is not responding via >nfs....then try 192.168.1.254...for example. The trick would be figuring >out how to do this. Then the other stuff you mentioned below to rerun >pivot_root etc. (more below) I'm cross posting this in the hope that some >of the LTSP guru's will see this :-) > > >>Since we have multiple ltsp servers running and / is mounted off of >>server1 whats stopping us from mounting all available >>root dirs as: >> >>/ >>/ server2 >>/ server3 >>/server4 >> >>and so on. >> >>if server 1 goes down rerun the pivot_root (refer to step 9 in the >>theory of operation) >> >> >>The above is for fail over. >> >> >>For load ballancing >> >>at step 7 and 8 in the theory of operation we have already loaded the >>kernel and dhclient runs. >>Quote: >>"A small DHCP client called* dhclient* will then be run, to make another >>query from the DHCP server. We need to do this separate user-space >>query, because we need more information than the bootrom retrieved with >>the first dhcp query." >> >>For multiple ltsp servers it seems like we need even more information. >>Like what's the state of all our servers. Run a script that queries >>servers and builds a file. Apply logic to said file and determine what >>server dhclient will poll. >> >>Am I barking up the wrong tree here? >> >>John >> >> > >One last thing....think about how cool this is. A few years ago we were >all simply wondering how to get ONE Ltsp server up and running....now >we're in a situation where many of us want to know how to provide >load-balancing and failover.....shows how far we've come doesn't it? > > >> >> >> Yes Dave it is pretty cool, kind of a natural progression. As to the root_pivot stuff Prior to the root_pivot Linux is installed in ram drive. As to your comment "something is in the know" I'd guess that something would be the kernel an it is running even though it's / is unavailable. It seems possible that a lot of functionality could be put into a ram drive and made available to the kernel. Quote: This is where the fun really begins. During the kernel loading process, a ram disk image will also be loaded into memory. A kernel command line argument of* root=/dev/ram0* tells the kernel to mount the image as the root directory. Normally, when the kernel is finished booting, it will launch the* init* program. But, in this case, we've instructed the kernel to load a small shell script instead. We do this by passing* init=/linuxrc* on the kernel command line. There is lots of unused resources on a terminal in terms of processing power and RAM. This is an important topic imho. Martin Wolley posted a method the other day that was interesting but it requires a bit of record keeping. The chooser is another method but the documentation is for older versions of k12 and in our environment I think it's better to have it automated. There are some who are saying overlapping DHCP is ok and others who say it's not ok. In a mixed environment all on the same subnet I'm wondering what the effect of standalone PCs has on the IP addresses available to terminals. For instance PC1 reserves 192.168.1.1, iBook1 reserves 192.168.1.2 this may or may not be a factor but it appears that stand alone PCs could reserve all available ips for a particular terminal server. John From petre at maltzen.net Sat Aug 13 21:58:12 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:58:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get terminal to runlevel 3 Message-ID: <42FE6CF4.6070702@maltzen.net> I replaced my version 3.1.2 server with a 4.1.2 server. The monitor on one of my workstations can handle the frequencies the CPU box is using because when it starts the X server, the screen just goes blank. Plugging in a different monitor works. So, I figured I'd set the lts.conf file to run that workstation at runlevel 3 and manually start X to try to debug the problem. So, here's the relevant section of lts.conf: [00:90:27:b6:b9:15] XSERVER = auto RUNLEVEL = 3 But when I reboot the client, it still loads X. I tried setting a hostname for the client in dhcpd.conf thusly: host art { hardware ethernet 00:90:27:b6:b9:15; fixed-address 172.26.18.6; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } and then set lts.conf to use [art] instead of the MAC address as its identifier. But that doesn't work either. Is this different in 4.1.2? Any idea why I can't get the client to stay at runlevel 3? Petre From thepiano at telenet.be Sat Aug 13 21:57:19 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:57:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeehaa !!! I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the register at login, while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator (which is required for Group Policy Keys) This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory server. All possible keys are easy to find at: http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please adapt to your needs): --------------------------------------- @ECHO OFF net use S: /DELETE net use L: /DELETE net use K: /DELETE net use Z: /DELETE net use R: /DELETE net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten cd p: IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" -u SINT- LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide :END ------------------- The CPAU app you can find as freeware: http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm the mydoc.reg REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one --------------------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion \Winlogon] "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer \Shell Folders] "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer \User Shell Folders] "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" ------------------- and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling ---------- regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg ---------- grouppol.reg --------------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies \Explorer] "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 If any of you are having better options, please let me know I'd like to learn every day of my life... Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take big risks please tell me :-) Kevin Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > Hi, > > I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible > userkeys used by windows Group Policy > > http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html > > Certainly a wonderful source of info !! > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jam at mcquil.com Sat Aug 13 22:16:14 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't get terminal to runlevel 3 In-Reply-To: <42FE6CF4.6070702@maltzen.net> References: <42FE6CF4.6070702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Petre, RUNLEVEL isn't used in LTSP anymore. Hasn't been for quite a while. if you want a shell on the terminal, you need to set this: SCREEN_01 = shell Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > I replaced my version 3.1.2 server with a 4.1.2 server. The monitor on one of > my workstations can handle the frequencies the CPU box is using because when > it starts the X server, the screen just goes blank. Plugging in a different > monitor works. So, I figured I'd set the lts.conf file to run that > workstation at runlevel 3 and manually start X to try to debug the problem. > So, here's the relevant section of lts.conf: > > [00:90:27:b6:b9:15] > XSERVER = auto > RUNLEVEL = 3 > > But when I reboot the client, it still loads X. I tried setting a hostname > for the client in dhcpd.conf thusly: > > host art { > hardware ethernet 00:90:27:b6:b9:15; > fixed-address 172.26.18.6; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > > and then set lts.conf to use [art] instead of the MAC address as its > identifier. But that doesn't work either. Is this different in 4.1.2? Any > idea why I can't get the client to stay at runlevel 3? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Sat Aug 13 22:20:51 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:20:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One more URL with all info about Group Policys http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm Kevin Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > Yeehaa !!! > > I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the > register at login, > while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator (which is > required for Group Policy Keys) > This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory server. > All possible keys are easy to find at: > http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html > > > First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please adapt > to your needs): > > --------------------------------------- > @ECHO OFF > net use S: /DELETE > net use L: /DELETE > net use K: /DELETE > net use Z: /DELETE > net use R: /DELETE > > net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat > net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten > net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen > net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg > net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten > > cd p: > IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" > IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" > regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg > REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one > > start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" -u > SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon > \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide > :END > > ------------------- > > The CPAU app you can find as freeware: > http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm > > the mydoc.reg > REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one > --------------------- > REGEDIT4 > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion > \Winlogon] > "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet > Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion > \Explorer\Shell Folders] > "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" > "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion > \Explorer\User Shell Folders] > "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" > "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" > ------------------- > > > and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling > ---------- > regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg > ---------- > > grouppol.reg > --------------- > REGEDIT4 > > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion > \Policies\Explorer] > "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 > "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 > "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 > > > If any of you are having better options, please let me know > I'd like to learn every day of my life... > Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take big > risks please tell me :-) > > Kevin > > > > > > > > Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > > >> Hi, >> >> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible >> userkeys used by windows Group Policy >> >> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >> >> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >> >> Kevin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 14 01:36:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:36:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> References: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 11:40, Shawn Powers wrote: > On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > I think the simple approach is to let each server run it's own DHCP > > server with non-overlapping ranges. > > Is it possible to have a file "included" in dhcpd.conf ? I ask, > because I have a lot of static DHCP addresses that need to be > identical on all my servers. If I could have a file specifying > static maps, and include it into the individual server's conf files, > it would save a lot of copy/pasting. > > Does that make sense? Yes: include "filename"; will do what you expect. More than you want to know is at: http://www.bind9.net/manuals-dhcp Note that the involved process for dhcp failover is only for the case where you need overlapping dynamic ranges - and it is partly designed to keep giving the same IP address to the same requester even if one of the dhcp servers goes down. In the multi-ltsp server case that really doesn't matter and you really don't want the rest of the dhcp-provided info to be the same because you need to send them to a new server. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 14 01:50:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:50:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <42FE46C9.9020802@stmarys-school.org> References: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> <42FE46C9.9020802@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1123984239.9330.27.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 14:15, John Baillie wrote: > There are some who are saying overlapping DHCP is ok and others who say > it's not ok. The dhcp server attempts to ping an address that it thinks should be available before offering it to a client, so most of the time it will work to have static IPs or addresses handed out by a different server with the same range, but there is always a change of a race where the same address is given out by both at the same time. > In a mixed environment all on the same subnet I'm wondering what the > effect of standalone PCs has on the IP addresses available to terminals. > For instance PC1 reserves 192.168.1.1, iBook1 reserves 192.168.1.2 this > may or may not be a factor but it appears that stand alone PCs could > reserve all available ips for a particular terminal server. You can make the netmask 'wider' if you need more addresses. The common 255.255.255.0 gives you 256 addresses. 255.255.254.0 would give you 512, 255.255.252 would be 1024, etc. As long as you stay in the reserved private space you only have to worry about conflicts within your own organization (until someone decides to make private connections with another organization...). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Aug 14 02:49:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:49:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: < > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 9:36 PM +0000 wrote: >Yes: > >include "filename"; >will do what you expect. >More than you want to know is at: http://www.bind9.net/manuals-dhcp >Note that the involved process for dhcp failover is only for the >case where you need overlapping dynamic ranges - and it is partly >designed to keep giving the same IP address to the same requester >even if one of the dhcp servers goes down. In the multi-ltsp server >case that really doesn't matter and you really don't want the rest >of the dhcp-provided info to be the same because you need to send >them to a new serv this idea works except it's possible for one machine to be faster than the other, thus getting all the glory...isn't it? Hence the load balance never happens when it comes to terminals. OR if you did a small range of, say, 30 addresses on one server.....it's entirely possible for standalone workstations (windows machines, ugh) to take up all 30 of those addresses....thus the terminal server never even gets used....right? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Aug 14 03:16:40 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:16:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <, > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <, > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <, > <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <,> Message-ID: Hey! Check this out....this looks easy! Note the statement about Static IP's at the bottom....we can use them...they simply have to be the same on both servers. An easy way to do this would be to use the include "filename" statement like Les mentioned....thus the included file could be the workstation declarations for static or reserved IP's. Then you simply copy that file between the servers. Right? Read and comment https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO original is here (much more detail) https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO So my idea....run DHCP on both my K12LTSP servers....do it in this failover/load-balancing fashion....put all of my static IP declarations (printers, servers, and wi-fi access points) into a file and "include" it...and put a copy on each server. Whaddya' think? Could this work? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Aug 14 03:25:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:25:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > <, > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <, > < > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <, > < > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <, > < > <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <,> < > <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 11:16 PM +0000 wrote: >Hey! Check this out....this looks easy! Note the statement about Static >IP's at the bottom....we can use them...they simply have to be the same on >both servers. An easy way to do this would be to use the include >"filename" statement like Les mentioned....thus the included file could be >the workstation declarations for static or reserved IP's. Then you simply >copy that file between the servers. Right? > >Read and comment > >https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO > >original is here (much more detail) > >https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO > > >So my idea....run DHCP on both my K12LTSP servers....do it in this >failover/load-balancing fashion....put all of my static IP declarations >(printers, servers, and wi-fi access points) into a file and "include" >it...and put a copy on each server. Whaddya' think? Could this work? I'm going to be away until Wed p.m. (leaving tomorrow to go with my son to cub scout Webelos camp)....this idea is going to fester in my head until then....I'm dying to try it. Do me a favor....try it and write it up for me so I can just do it once I return *smile* :-) Oh....BTW....passing the next server and option root path in the workstation declarations in dhcpd.conf WILL override the setting in the globals. (Tried it this p.m.) This means you can point all your lab machines to one server and let the rest go to the other server....for example. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 14 03:27:10 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:27:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: < > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1123990029.9330.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 21:49, David Trask wrote: > this idea works except it's possible for one machine to be faster than the > other, thus getting all the glory...isn't it? Hence the load balance > never happens when it comes to terminals. If one is substantially faster than another, I'd think that is the one that you would want to use... > OR if you did a small range > of, say, 30 addresses on one server.....it's entirely possible for > standalone workstations (windows machines, ugh) to take up all 30 of those > addresses....thus the terminal server never even gets used....right? Yes, that could be a problem if you need to serve some number of addresses that don't correspond to the number of clients that attach. If the machines don't change that often you could assign static IPs via hardware-address entries known to all servers to keep them from using the dynamic ranges. I think a simple change to the dhcp server code to make it add a tiny delay based on it's current load or connections would make them balance fairly well without making needing to limit the ranges to exactly the number of clients you want. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Aug 14 03:38:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:38:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > <, > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <, > < > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <, > < > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <, > < > <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <,> < > <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 11:16 PM +0000 wrote: > >Read and comment > >https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO > >original is here (much more detail) > >https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO whoops...goofed here...the original is here http://www.lithodyne.net/docs/dhcp/dhcp.html David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 14 03:37:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:37:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <, > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <, > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <, > <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <,> Message-ID: <1123990630.9330.53.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 22:16, David Trask wrote: > Hey! Check this out....this looks easy! Note the statement about Static > IP's at the bottom....we can use them...they simply have to be the same on > both servers. An easy way to do this would be to use the include > "filename" statement like Les mentioned....thus the included file could be > the workstation declarations for static or reserved IP's. Then you simply > copy that file between the servers. Right? > > Read and comment > > https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO Note that you don't need the fail-over protocol unless you want the to serve the same dynamic range and attempt to keep the same addresses working for machines whose leases have expired when the dhcp server goes down. The protocol or the server implementation of it, limits you to two servers set up this way - and it doesn't do the right thing for thin clients if their server is down anyway. But, the idea of having a common set of addresses in hardware-address assignments should work with servers that don't have overlapping dynamic ranges and don't need the fail-over protocol configured. You'll still get fail-over service for client booting, just not specifically what the dhcp fail-over is designed to provide. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Aug 14 03:46:21 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:46:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: < > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42FEBE8D.1080602@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 9:36 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>Yes: >> >>include "filename"; >>will do what you expect. >>More than you want to know is at: http://www.bind9.net/manuals-dhcp >>Note that the involved process for dhcp failover is only for the >>case where you need overlapping dynamic ranges - and it is partly >>designed to keep giving the same IP address to the same requester >>even if one of the dhcp servers goes down. In the multi-ltsp server >>case that really doesn't matter and you really don't want the rest >>of the dhcp-provided info to be the same because you need to send >>them to a new serv >> >> > >this idea works except it's possible for one machine to be faster than the >other, thus getting all the glory...isn't it? Hence the load balance >never happens when it comes to terminals. OR if you did a small range >of, say, 30 addresses on one server.....it's entirely possible for >standalone workstations (windows machines, ugh) to take up all 30 of those >addresses....thus the terminal server never even gets used....right? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > We experimented using three k12servers and one took precedence even when we put a heavy load on it. We also ended up with some gray screens with the X. One server won by a factor of about 3 to 1. Also it seemed to take noticeably longer from power up to log in screen when we had multiple servers running. It is quite possible that people could log on first thing in the morning and not run any apps and the majority of requests are met by one server. Then later when people start working the server will become bogged down. Something else to consider is this, even with gig to the switch lets say that large file transfers are taking place on server1 at the same time a group of terminals are booted up, it is quite possible that server1 would not hand out the os because it is slower to respond. I'm not sure what the status is on setting up a chooser on CentOS but if it works we will probably go with that for the time being. Option two is hard coding mac addresses either via dhcp or IP tables. John From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 14 04:06:56 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:06:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <42FEBE8D.1080602@stmarys-school.org> References: < > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <42FEBE8D.1080602@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1123992415.9330.62.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 22:46, John Baillie wrote: > Something else to consider is this, even with gig to the switch lets say > that large file transfers are taking place on server1 at the same time a > group of terminals are booted up, it is quite possible that server1 > would not hand out the os because it is slower to respond. Also, your backbone connections between switches need to be gig as well as the server uplinks if you put everything on the same lan. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Aug 14 04:11:23 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:11:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <1123992415.9330.62.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: < > <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> < > <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <5DD38553-A471-43D0-A22D-4FBB73F073B4@inlandlakes.org> <1123983372.9330.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <42FEBE8D.1080602@stmarys-school.org> <1123992415.9330.62.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42FEC46B.1050600@stmarys-school.org> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 22:46, John Baillie wrote: > > > >>Something else to consider is this, even with gig to the switch lets say >>that large file transfers are taking place on server1 at the same time a >>group of terminals are booted up, it is quite possible that server1 >>would not hand out the os because it is slower to respond. >> >> > >Also, your backbone connections between switches need to be >gig as well as the server uplinks if you put everything >on the same lan. > > > Yep we upgraded to a gig backbone over the summer. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Aug 14 04:55:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:55:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My latest idea....can it work? Message-ID: (With regard to my earlier idea about failover and load-balancing two LTSP servers) Hey! Check this out....this looks easy! Note the statement about Static IP's at the bottom....we can use them...they simply have to be the same on both servers. An easy way to do this would be to use the include "filename" statement like Les mentioned....thus the included file could be the workstation declarations for static or reserved IP's. Then you simply copy that file between the servers. Right? Read and comment https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO original is here (much more detail) http://www.lithodyne.net/docs/dhcp/dhcp.html So my idea....run DHCP on both my K12LTSP servers....do it in this failover/load-balancing fashion....put all of my static IP declarations (printers, servers, and wi-fi access points) into a file and "include" it...and put a copy on each server. Whaddya' think? Could this work? > > I'm going to be away until Wed p.m. (leaving tomorrow to go with my son to cub scout Webelos camp)....this idea is going to fester in my head until then....I'm dying to try it. Do me a favor....try it and write it up for me so I can just do it once I return *smile* :-) Oh....BTW....passing the next server and option root path in the workstation declarations in dhcpd.conf WILL override the setting in the globals. (Tried it this p.m.) This means you can point all your lab machines to one server and let the rest go to the other server....for example. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Aug 14 10:09:35 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:09:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> For things that alter HKEY_CURRENT_USER you don't have to be a Local Admin. We run our login script as the users login in and alter my doc's etc without admin rights. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College Kevin Verheyen wrote: > One more URL with all info about Group Policys > > http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm > > Kevin > Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > >> Yeehaa !!! >> >> I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the register >> at login, >> while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator (which is >> required for Group Policy Keys) >> This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory server. >> All possible keys are easy to find at: >> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >> >> >> First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please adapt to >> your needs): >> >> --------------------------------------- >> @ECHO OFF >> net use S: /DELETE >> net use L: /DELETE >> net use K: /DELETE >> net use Z: /DELETE >> net use R: /DELETE >> >> net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat >> net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten >> net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen >> net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg >> net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten >> >> cd p: >> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" >> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg >> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >> >> start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" -u >> SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon >> \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide >> :END >> >> ------------------- >> >> The CPAU app you can find as freeware: >> http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm >> >> the mydoc.reg >> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >> --------------------- >> REGEDIT4 >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion >> \Winlogon] >> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >> Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >> \Explorer\Shell Folders] >> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >> \Explorer\User Shell Folders] >> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >> ------------------- >> >> >> and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling >> ---------- >> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg >> ---------- >> >> grouppol.reg >> --------------- >> REGEDIT4 >> >> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >> \Policies\Explorer] >> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >> >> >> If any of you are having better options, please let me know >> I'd like to learn every day of my life... >> Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take big >> risks please tell me :-) >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible >>> userkeys used by windows Group Policy >>> >>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>> >>> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Aug 14 10:19:31 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:19:31 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: You have to be Local Admin to alter those keys that are part of the grouppolicy. You can't ex. change the >>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>> \Policies\Explorer] >>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 Without local admin rights. I've tried this opening regedit as normal user and altering those keys, and you'll get a access denied error Kevin Op 14-aug-05, om 12:09 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: > For things that alter HKEY_CURRENT_USER you don't have to be a > Local Admin. We run our login script as the users login in and > alter my doc's etc without admin rights. > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> One more URL with all info about Group Policys >> http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm >> Kevin >> Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Yeehaa !!! >>> >>> I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the >>> register at login, >>> while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator (which >>> is required for Group Policy Keys) >>> This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory server. >>> All possible keys are easy to find at: >>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>> >>> >>> First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please >>> adapt to your needs): >>> >>> --------------------------------------- >>> @ECHO OFF >>> net use S: /DELETE >>> net use L: /DELETE >>> net use K: /DELETE >>> net use Z: /DELETE >>> net use R: /DELETE >>> >>> net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat >>> net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten >>> net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen >>> net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg >>> net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten >>> >>> cd p: >>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" >>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg >>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>> >>> start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" -u >>> SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon >>> \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide >>> :END >>> >>> ------------------- >>> >>> The CPAU app you can find as freeware: >>> http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm >>> >>> the mydoc.reg >>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>> --------------------- >>> REGEDIT4 >>> >>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion >>> \Winlogon] >>> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >>> Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" >>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>> \Explorer\Shell Folders] >>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>> \Explorer\User Shell Folders] >>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>> ------------------- >>> >>> >>> and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling >>> ---------- >>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg >>> ---------- >>> >>> grouppol.reg >>> --------------- >>> REGEDIT4 >>> >>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>> \Policies\Explorer] >>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>> >>> >>> If any of you are having better options, please let me know >>> I'd like to learn every day of my life... >>> Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take >>> big risks please tell me :-) >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible >>>> userkeys used by windows Group Policy >>>> >>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>> >>>> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not > necessarily the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Aug 14 10:32:45 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:32:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: References: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <42FF1DCD.8030405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I'll have to try that when I get to work, I was under the understanding that anything under HKEY_CURRENT_USER was alterable by a regular user ?? Brian Kevin Verheyen wrote: > You have to be Local Admin to alter those keys that are part of the > grouppolicy. > You can't ex. change the > >>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 > > > Without local admin rights. > I've tried this opening regedit as normal user and altering those keys, > and you'll get a access denied error > > Kevin > > Op 14-aug-05, om 12:09 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: > >> For things that alter HKEY_CURRENT_USER you don't have to be a Local >> Admin. We run our login script as the users login in and alter my >> doc's etc without admin rights. >> >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> >> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> >>> One more URL with all info about Group Policys >>> http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm >>> Kevin >>> Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> Yeehaa !!! >>>> >>>> I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the >>>> register at login, >>>> while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator (which is >>>> required for Group Policy Keys) >>>> This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory server. >>>> All possible keys are easy to find at: >>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>> >>>> >>>> First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please adapt >>>> to your needs): >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------- >>>> @ECHO OFF >>>> net use S: /DELETE >>>> net use L: /DELETE >>>> net use K: /DELETE >>>> net use Z: /DELETE >>>> net use R: /DELETE >>>> >>>> net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat >>>> net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten >>>> net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen >>>> net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg >>>> net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten >>>> >>>> cd p: >>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" >>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg >>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>> >>>> start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" -u >>>> SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon >>>> \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide >>>> :END >>>> >>>> ------------------- >>>> >>>> The CPAU app you can find as freeware: >>>> http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm >>>> >>>> the mydoc.reg >>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>> --------------------- >>>> REGEDIT4 >>>> >>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion >>>> \Winlogon] >>>> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >>>> Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" >>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>> \Explorer\Shell Folders] >>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>> \Explorer\User Shell Folders] >>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>> ------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling >>>> ---------- >>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg >>>> ---------- >>>> >>>> grouppol.reg >>>> --------------- >>>> REGEDIT4 >>>> >>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>> >>>> >>>> If any of you are having better options, please let me know >>>> I'd like to learn every day of my life... >>>> Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take big >>>> risks please tell me :-) >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible >>>>> userkeys used by windows Group Policy >>>>> >>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>> >>>>> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not >> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Aug 14 17:59:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:59:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: References: <42FE00CF.3070600@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <20050814174303.M52744@winonacotter.org> > >I have been scratching my head over this subject too. > > > >My first thought was round robin DNS. Round robin DNS works great for > >http, ftp and even mail servers but a quick response from #LTSP informed > >me that there is no name resolution at the early stages of the LTSP > >client boot sequence. Here is a wild thought that just dropped into my head. I don't know much about scripting so I don't know if this is feasable. For now it would only work for two servers as well but maybe this could spawn thoughts for more. Lets say you put something like next server option into a little scripting. Lets say this script when run would increment some number somewhere by 1 on every pass. Then before choosing the next server option and if statement would run. The if statement would look at this number somewhere in space and determine its value odd or even. Then if the number was odd it would run next server = 192.168.1.254, else next server = 192.168.1.253. The thought is more for load balancing than failover. This could maybe include more calculations to decide what to do for more servers, but I am not a enough of a math genius to figure it out. You could maybe even set up some external job or script that runs and monitors a servers status. If a server is down it could run some calculation against this number to say always set it to even if server 254 was down. Just some thoughts. I was just thinking that maybe this is such a tough thing because we are trying to keep all inside the lts.conf file which has limited capabilities. How about a cron that ran a sript even that pinged a server to be sure it was up, then set a number in a file to the IP of a known stable server. Then lts.conf read this file and set a variable of $lts_server to the IP in this file. Then next server = $lts_server. Maybe this file was altered every 30 seconds by the cron? How about some script in lts.conf that parsed an external file with a list of server IP's, and randomly grabbed a different one. Then set the pulled number as variable $lts_server and still had next server = $lts_server? I just figured I would throw these out there. I don't know enough about everything to know if any of this is feasable, but maybe this will at least spark other ideas. Too bad the initial bootup won't handle name resolution, that would most likely be the easiest way. Could this be added/implemented? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Mon Aug 15 00:13:45 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:13:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: <42FF1DCD.8030405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42FF1DCD.8030405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050814201345.4aavyx2odrswwow0@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> That was my understanding as well. However, someone made a good point a few days ago on this list about how if a user could modify the GP registry keys, they could simply edit away any restrictions placed on them by GP's. Plus, I've yet to successfully edit those keys as a regular user. My problem with using this work around method is the admin password needs to be put in the startup.bat file that can easily be seen by a regular user. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Brian Chivers : > I'll have to try that when I get to work, I was under the > understanding that anything under HKEY_CURRENT_USER was alterable by > a regular user ?? > > Brian > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> You have to be Local Admin to alter those keys that are part of the >> grouppolicy. >> You can't ex. change the >> >>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >> >> >> Without local admin rights. >> I've tried this opening regedit as normal user and altering those >> keys, and you'll get a access denied error >> >> Kevin >> >> Op 14-aug-05, om 12:09 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: >> >>> For things that alter HKEY_CURRENT_USER you don't have to be a >>> Local Admin. We run our login script as the users login in and >>> alter my doc's etc without admin rights. >>> >>> Brian Chivers >>> Portsmouth College >>> >>> >>> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>> >>>> One more URL with all info about Group Policys >>>> http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm >>>> Kevin >>>> Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>>> Yeehaa !!! >>>>> >>>>> I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the >>>>> register at login, >>>>> while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator (which >>>>> is required for Group Policy Keys) >>>>> This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory server. >>>>> All possible keys are easy to find at: >>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please >>>>> adapt to your needs): >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>> @ECHO OFF >>>>> net use S: /DELETE >>>>> net use L: /DELETE >>>>> net use K: /DELETE >>>>> net use Z: /DELETE >>>>> net use R: /DELETE >>>>> >>>>> net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat >>>>> net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten >>>>> net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen >>>>> net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg >>>>> net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten >>>>> >>>>> cd p: >>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" >>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg >>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>> >>>>> start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" -u >>>>> SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon >>>>> \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide >>>>> :END >>>>> >>>>> ------------------- >>>>> >>>>> The CPAU app you can find as freeware: >>>>> http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm >>>>> >>>>> the mydoc.reg >>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>> --------------------- >>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>> >>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion >>>>> \Winlogon] >>>>> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >>>>> Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" >>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>> \Explorer\Shell Folders] >>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>> \Explorer\User Shell Folders] >>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>> ------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling >>>>> ---------- >>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg >>>>> ---------- >>>>> >>>>> grouppol.reg >>>>> --------------- >>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>> >>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If any of you are having better options, please let me know >>>>> I'd like to learn every day of my life... >>>>> Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take >>>>> big risks please tell me :-) >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible >>>>>> userkeys used by windows Group Policy >>>>>> >>>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Aug 15 00:19:20 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:19:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: <20050814201345.4aavyx2odrswwow0@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42FF1DCD.8030405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20050814201345.4aavyx2odrswwow0@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <7A399539-7A01-4FE4-ADCC-F2F875F01126@telenet.be> I'm yet working a whole day to get this scripted. But cannot get my script f.e. to add the >>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 to the registry at login. As Admin yes, as member of Domain Users, yes, bu unfortunately not as regular domain user. Could you share you script or how you handle it? Kevin Op 15-aug-05, om 02:13 heeft Jason Ingalls het volgende geschreven: > That was my understanding as well. However, someone made a good > point a few days > ago on this list about how if a user could modify the GP registry > keys, they > could simply edit away any restrictions placed on them by GP's. > > Plus, I've yet to successfully edit those keys as a regular user. > My problem > with using this work around method is the admin password needs to > be put in the > startup.bat file that can easily be seen by a regular user. > > > -- > Jason Ingalls > Ellsworth School Department > IT Specialist > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > > > Quoting Brian Chivers : > > >> I'll have to try that when I get to work, I was under the >> understanding that anything under HKEY_CURRENT_USER was alterable >> by a regular user ?? >> >> Brian >> >> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> >>> You have to be Local Admin to alter those keys that are part of >>> the grouppolicy. >>> You can't ex. change the >>> >>> >>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Without local admin rights. >>> I've tried this opening regedit as normal user and altering >>> those keys, and you'll get a access denied error >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> Op 14-aug-05, om 12:09 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: >>> >>> >>>> For things that alter HKEY_CURRENT_USER you don't have to be a >>>> Local Admin. We run our login script as the users login in and >>>> alter my doc's etc without admin rights. >>>> >>>> Brian Chivers >>>> Portsmouth College >>>> >>>> >>>> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> One more URL with all info about Group Policys >>>>> http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm >>>>> Kevin >>>>> Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende >>>>> geschreven: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yeehaa !!! >>>>>> >>>>>> I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the >>>>>> register at login, >>>>>> while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator >>>>>> (which is required for Group Policy Keys) >>>>>> This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory >>>>>> server. >>>>>> All possible keys are easy to find at: >>>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please >>>>>> adapt to your needs): >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>>> @ECHO OFF >>>>>> net use S: /DELETE >>>>>> net use L: /DELETE >>>>>> net use K: /DELETE >>>>>> net use Z: /DELETE >>>>>> net use R: /DELETE >>>>>> >>>>>> net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat >>>>>> net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten >>>>>> net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen >>>>>> net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg >>>>>> net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten >>>>>> >>>>>> cd p: >>>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >>>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg >>>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>>> >>>>>> start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" - >>>>>> u SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS >>>>>> \netlogon \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide >>>>>> :END >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> The CPAU app you can find as freeware: >>>>>> http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> the mydoc.reg >>>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>>> >>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT >>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Winlogon] >>>>>> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >>>>>> Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" >>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>> \Explorer\Shell Folders] >>>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>> \Explorer\User Shell Folders] >>>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> >>>>>> grouppol.reg >>>>>> --------------- >>>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>>> >>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If any of you are having better options, please let me know >>>>>> I'd like to learn every day of my life... >>>>>> Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take >>>>>> big risks please tell me :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende >>>>>> geschreven: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all >>>>>>> possible userkeys used by windows Group Policy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not >>>> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not >> necessarily the views of Portsmouth >> College _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jingalls at ellsworthschools.org Mon Aug 15 00:29:53 2005 From: jingalls at ellsworthschools.org (Jason Ingalls) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:29:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: <7A399539-7A01-4FE4-ADCC-F2F875F01126@telenet.be> References: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42FF1DCD.8030405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20050814201345.4aavyx2odrswwow0@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <7A399539-7A01-4FE4-ADCC-F2F875F01126@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20050814202953.ofisq7adbni8oc08@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> My startup.bat is the one you are using, I haven't added any group policy settings yet. I'm still waiting for a secure way to do it, but it seems this should be a priority for the samba team (and it may be). I say one of the programs that can execute these as admin allowed use of an encrypted password, but it seems to me an encrypted password could be brute forced. I really don't want my root pass getting out. -- Jason Ingalls Ellsworth School Department IT Specialist 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org Quoting Kevin Verheyen : > I'm yet working a whole day to get this scripted. > But cannot get my script f.e. to add the >>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 > to the registry at login. > > As Admin yes, as member of Domain Users, yes, bu unfortunately not as > regular domain user. > Could you share you script or how you handle it? > > Kevin > > Op 15-aug-05, om 02:13 heeft Jason Ingalls het volgende geschreven: > >> That was my understanding as well. However, someone made a good >> point a few days >> ago on this list about how if a user could modify the GP registry >> keys, they >> could simply edit away any restrictions placed on them by GP's. >> >> Plus, I've yet to successfully edit those keys as a regular user. >> My problem >> with using this work around method is the admin password needs to >> be put in the >> startup.bat file that can easily be seen by a regular user. >> >> >> -- >> Jason Ingalls >> Ellsworth School Department >> IT Specialist >> 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 >> jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org >> >> >> Quoting Brian Chivers : >> >> >>> I'll have to try that when I get to work, I was under the >>> understanding that anything under HKEY_CURRENT_USER was alterable >>> by a regular user ?? >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>> >>>> You have to be Local Admin to alter those keys that are part of >>>> the grouppolicy. >>>> You can't ex. change the >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Without local admin rights. >>>> I've tried this opening regedit as normal user and altering those >>>> keys, and you'll get a access denied error >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> Op 14-aug-05, om 12:09 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>> >>>>> For things that alter HKEY_CURRENT_USER you don't have to be a >>>>> Local Admin. We run our login script as the users login in and >>>>> alter my doc's etc without admin rights. >>>>> >>>>> Brian Chivers >>>>> Portsmouth College >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> One more URL with all info about Group Policys >>>>>> http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeehaa !!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to the >>>>>>> register at login, >>>>>>> while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator >>>>>>> (which is required for Group Policy Keys) >>>>>>> This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory server. >>>>>>> All possible keys are easy to find at: >>>>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use (please >>>>>>> adapt to your needs): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>>>> @ECHO OFF >>>>>>> net use S: /DELETE >>>>>>> net use L: /DELETE >>>>>>> net use K: /DELETE >>>>>>> net use Z: /DELETE >>>>>>> net use R: /DELETE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat >>>>>>> net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten >>>>>>> net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen >>>>>>> net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg >>>>>>> net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cd p: >>>>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >>>>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg >>>>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>>>> >>>>>>> start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" - >>>>>>> u SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS >>>>>>> \netlogon \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide >>>>>>> :END >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CPAU app you can find as freeware: >>>>>>> http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the mydoc.reg >>>>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT >>>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Winlogon] >>>>>>> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >>>>>>> Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" >>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>>> \Explorer\Shell Folders] >>>>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>>> \Explorer\User Shell Folders] >>>>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling >>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg >>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> grouppol.reg >>>>>>> --------------- >>>>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion >>>>>>> \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If any of you are having better options, please let me know >>>>>>> I'd like to learn every day of my life... >>>>>>> Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do take >>>>>>> big risks please tell me :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all possible >>>>>>>> userkeys used by windows Group Policy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Aug 15 00:37:14 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:37:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Grouppolicy Keys at login In-Reply-To: <20050814202953.ofisq7adbni8oc08@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> References: <42FF185F.2040302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <42FF1DCD.8030405@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20050814201345.4aavyx2odrswwow0@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> <7A399539-7A01-4FE4-ADCC-F2F875F01126@telenet.be> <20050814202953.ofisq7adbni8oc08@webmail.ellsworth.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <813ADDB9-AD88-49FE-BB99-5B6501AB5865@telenet.be> > I say one of the > programs that can execute these as admin allowed use of an > encrypted password, > but it seems to me an encrypted password could be brute forced. I > really don't > want my root pass getting out. True, but how can we provide Group Policies to the users for now? Do I have to do on each TS 2003 server a GPO config? Disadvantage is that such method defaults everything to all users, so I can't make a different set for teachers-pupils. So for now I'll stop experimenting, have recreated the whole login script in Kixttart (I'll inlcude that as soon as I'm at work) cause that's really a lot faster than a .bat :-) If someone can still point me to the right solution, i'll be happy to test it out Kevin Op 15-aug-05, om 02:29 heeft Jason Ingalls het volgende geschreven: > My startup.bat is the one you are using, I haven't added any group > policy > settings yet. I'm still waiting for a secure way to do it, but it > seems this > should be a priority for the samba team (and it may be). I say one > of the > programs that can execute these as admin allowed use of an > encrypted password, > but it seems to me an encrypted password could be brute forced. I > really don't > want my root pass getting out. > > -- > Jason Ingalls > Ellsworth School Department > IT Specialist > 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 > jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org > > > Quoting Kevin Verheyen : > > >> I'm yet working a whole day to get this scripted. >> But cannot get my script f.e. to add the >> >>>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows >>>>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>>> >> to the registry at login. >> >> As Admin yes, as member of Domain Users, yes, bu unfortunately not >> as regular domain user. >> Could you share you script or how you handle it? >> >> Kevin >> >> Op 15-aug-05, om 02:13 heeft Jason Ingalls het volgende geschreven: >> >> >>> That was my understanding as well. However, someone made a good >>> point a few days >>> ago on this list about how if a user could modify the GP >>> registry keys, they >>> could simply edit away any restrictions placed on them by GP's. >>> >>> Plus, I've yet to successfully edit those keys as a regular >>> user. My problem >>> with using this work around method is the admin password needs >>> to be put in the >>> startup.bat file that can easily be seen by a regular user. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Ingalls >>> Ellsworth School Department >>> IT Specialist >>> 207-667-4722 Ext. 5529 >>> jingalls (at) ellsworthschools.org >>> >>> >>> Quoting Brian Chivers : >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'll have to try that when I get to work, I was under the >>>> understanding that anything under HKEY_CURRENT_USER was >>>> alterable by a regular user ?? >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> You have to be Local Admin to alter those keys that are part >>>>> of the grouppolicy. >>>>> You can't ex. change the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows >>>>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Without local admin rights. >>>>> I've tried this opening regedit as normal user and altering >>>>> those keys, and you'll get a access denied error >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> Op 14-aug-05, om 12:09 heeft Brian Chivers het volgende >>>>> geschreven: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> For things that alter HKEY_CURRENT_USER you don't have to be >>>>>> a Local Admin. We run our login script as the users login in >>>>>> and alter my doc's etc without admin rights. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian Chivers >>>>>> Portsmouth College >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin Verheyen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> One more URL with all info about Group Policys >>>>>>> http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/w2k3/gp/index.htm >>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>> Op 13-aug-05, om 23:57 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende >>>>>>> geschreven: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeehaa !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've finally found the solution to add registery keys to >>>>>>>> the register at login, >>>>>>>> while running regedit as (member of) Local Administrator >>>>>>>> (which is required for Group Policy Keys) >>>>>>>> This disables or minimizes the need for an Active Directory >>>>>>>> server. >>>>>>>> All possible keys are easy to find at: >>>>>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First of all there's the startup.bat script I do use >>>>>>>> (please adapt to your needs): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> @ECHO OFF >>>>>>>> net use S: /DELETE >>>>>>>> net use L: /DELETE >>>>>>>> net use K: /DELETE >>>>>>>> net use Z: /DELETE >>>>>>>> net use R: /DELETE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> net use S: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Secretariaat >>>>>>>> net use L: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerkrachten >>>>>>>> net use K: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Leerlingen >>>>>>>> net use Z: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Zorg >>>>>>>> net use R: \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\Rapporten >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cd p: >>>>>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Mijn Documenten\." MD "P:\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>>>> IF NOT EXIST "P:\Desktop\." MD "P:\Desktop" >>>>>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\mydoc.reg >>>>>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> start /w "GROUPPOL.reg" "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\CPAU.exe" >>>>>>>> - u SINT-LUTGARDIS\root -p slsictict -ex "\\SINT-LUTGARDIS >>>>>>>> \netlogon \GROUPPOL.bat" -hide >>>>>>>> :END >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The CPAU app you can find as freeware: >>>>>>>> http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/cpau.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the mydoc.reg >>>>>>>> REM thnx to Jim Kronebusch for this one >>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT >>>>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Winlogon] >>>>>>>> "ExcludeProfileDirs"="Local Settings;Temporary Internet >>>>>>>> Files;Geschiedenis;Temp;Mijn Documenten;Bureaublad" >>>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows >>>>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Explorer\Shell Folders] >>>>>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows >>>>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Explorer\User Shell Folders] >>>>>>>> "Personal"="P:\\Mijn Documenten" >>>>>>>> "Desktop"="P:\\Desktop" >>>>>>>> ------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and finally the groupbat.bat is simply calling >>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>> regedit /s \\SINT-LUTGARDIS\netlogon\GROUPPOL.reg >>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> grouppol.reg >>>>>>>> --------------- >>>>>>>> REGEDIT4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows >>>>>>>> \CurrentVersion \Policies\Explorer] >>>>>>>> "NoInstrumentation"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>>> "NoSimpleStartMenu"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>>> "NoWelcomeScreen"=dword:00000001 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If any of you are having better options, please let me know >>>>>>>> I'd like to learn every day of my life... >>>>>>>> Don't know if this is a very secure way of life, if I do >>>>>>>> take big risks please tell me :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Op 12-aug-05, om 21:20 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende >>>>>>>> geschreven: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I found a wonderful source on the internet with all >>>>>>>>> possible userkeys used by windows Group Policy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://winportal.net/support/grouppolicy.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Certainly a wonderful source of info !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>> For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> The views expressed here are my own and not >>>>>> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not >>>> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Aug 15 03:04:18 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:04:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My latest idea....can it work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43000632.8020100@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >(With regard to my earlier idea about failover and load-balancing two LTSP >servers) > >Hey! Check this out....this looks easy! Note the statement about Static >IP's at the bottom....we can use them...they simply have to be the same on >both servers. An easy way to do this would be to use the include >"filename" statement like Les mentioned....thus the included file could be >the workstation declarations for static or reserved IP's. Then you simply >copy that file between the servers. Right? > >Read and comment > >https://intern.kvarteret.no/wiki/index.php/DHCP-Failover-HOWTO > >original is here (much more detail) > >http://www.lithodyne.net/docs/dhcp/dhcp.html > > >So my idea....run DHCP on both my K12LTSP servers....do it in this >failover/load-balancing fashion....put all of my static IP declarations >(printers, servers, and wi-fi access points) into a file and "include" >it...and put a copy on each server. Whaddya' think? Could this work? > > >> >> >I'm going to be away until Wed p.m. (leaving tomorrow to go with my son to >cub scout Webelos camp)....this idea is going to fester in my head until >then....I'm dying to try it. Do me a favor....try it and write it up for >me so I can just do it once I return *smile* :-) > >Oh....BTW....passing the next server and option root path in the >workstation declarations in dhcpd.conf WILL override the setting in the >globals. (Tried it this p.m.) This means you can point all your lab >machines to one server and let the rest go to the other server....for >example. > > Sounds like it would work. -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 15 12:55:37 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:55:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get terminal to runlevel 3 In-Reply-To: References: <42FE6CF4.6070702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <430090C9.4040400@maltzen.net> Ah, yes, that works. Thanks. Perhaps the docs on ltsp.org should be updated, as they still show 'RUNLEVEL = 3' as an option in the examples (section 2.4.3). Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Petre, > > RUNLEVEL isn't used in LTSP anymore. Hasn't been for quite a while. > > if you want a shell on the terminal, you need to set this: > > SCREEN_01 = shell > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>I replaced my version 3.1.2 server with a 4.1.2 server. The monitor on one of >>my workstations can handle the frequencies the CPU box is using because when >>it starts the X server, the screen just goes blank. Plugging in a different >>monitor works. So, I figured I'd set the lts.conf file to run that >>workstation at runlevel 3 and manually start X to try to debug the problem. >>So, here's the relevant section of lts.conf: >> >>[00:90:27:b6:b9:15] >> XSERVER = auto >> RUNLEVEL = 3 >> >>But when I reboot the client, it still loads X. I tried setting a hostname >>for the client in dhcpd.conf thusly: >> >>host art { >> hardware ethernet 00:90:27:b6:b9:15; >> fixed-address 172.26.18.6; >> filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; >> } >> >>and then set lts.conf to use [art] instead of the MAC address as its >>identifier. But that doesn't work either. Is this different in 4.1.2? Any >>idea why I can't get the client to stay at runlevel 3? >> >>Petre >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 16:46:58 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <1123949644.8567.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050815164658.1363.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's a question: Is it possible to have 2 instances of dhcp running on the same port, on the same machine, with non-overlapping ranges, but with 2 different dhcpd.conf files? I imagine you'd need to rename one of the instances, so you could have dhcp and dhcp2, using dhcpd.conf and dhcpd2.conf, respectively. The two .conf files would be the same, except that they'd have 2 different dynamic IP ranges and 2 different root paths (each pointing to a different LTSP server). Any thoughts? -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > I think the simple approach is to let each server > run it's own DHCP > server with non-overlapping ranges. The first one > to respond to a > new query gets the client and the number of > addresses in the range > puts a top limit on the number each will accept. > If you need > better balancing than that you could hack in a tiny > delay in the > DHCP server's answer based on the current number of > connections. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From moquist at majen.net Mon Aug 15 16:59:26 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:59:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Tossing around an idea...need some input (Jim McQuillan) In-Reply-To: <20050813160022.2520473491@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050813160022.2520473491@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050815165926.GC8766@majen.net> > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:06:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: Jim McQuillan > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Tossing around an idea...need some input > the 'next-server' parameter is used by the bootrom. I know that > Etherboot isn't going to work with a hostname, because there is no > resolver in the Etherboot code. It's only going to want an IP address. > > I don't know if PXE has a resolver or not, so some experimenting is in > order. > > the 'root-path' parameter is used by the LTSP initrd image. Again, a > hostname isn't going to work here, because the initrd doesn't have the > resolver libraries. It's expecting a hostname and a directory pathname, > separated by a colon. That's interesting; I set hostnames in my dhcpd.conf and restarted the service, so I'm not sure how it worked...anyhow, it looks like this discussion is progressing apace (I only get the digest, so I'm usually late in responding). Another thought I had was to implement a rudimentary resources-monitoring system that would rewrite dhcpd.conf and restart dhcpd accordingly as server loads shift. For example, if ServerA has been running at an average of 90% CPU usage for past 5 minutes and ServerB has been running at an average of 50% CPU usage, write out a new dhcpd.conf with next-server and root pointing to ServerB and restart the service. Keep more stats and check again in 5 minutes, etc. It's rudimentary, but it would actually be performing real boot-time load balancing for the thin-clients rather than splitting the thin-clients ahead of time to run on one server or another. Now that I think about it, the policies of the system I've described probably wouldn't work very well, because everybody in class would come in and start their clients at once and one server would get the whole load within in one 5-minute window, and no clients would get switched to the other server until they reboot...boot-time load balancing itself is just insufficient. We won't have real load-balancing until processes can move between servers... Dave's hard-coded solution of using the MAC address to put 1/2 of the clients on one server and 1/2 on the other would do a better job of balancing everything; it's just more data-processing work for the admin to manage the MAC addresses. :) I don't know if that brain-dump will be useful for anyone, but there it is anyway. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 18:40:13 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What happened to squidguard? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050815184013.58306.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Thans Eric! I figured out that the problem was my repositories. I added a repository to get dansguardian via yum (I think the "dag" repository). Then, when I did a 'yum update'... viola YOUR version of squidguard with transparent proxying was removed. So, I left the "dag" repos.d intact, but remmed out all the config lines. Then, removed squidguard and reinstalled it. Viola! It's back. Thanks again for your input. Maybe this info should be in a FAQ or Wiki about "extra" repositories. --- Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, richard ingalls wrote: > > > I'm using 4.2.0 with a standard install. I also > > included dansguardian. I wanted squid, > squidguard, > > dansguardian and transparent proxying to run. BUT > > after doing a yum upgrade, squidguard and > transparent > > proxy are gone! Where did they go? I LIKED them! > > Squidguard would filter out advertisements that DG > > doesn't filter. Is there a way to get the SG > > blacklists to be run be DG? Why did transparent > proxy > > go away? > > > > Thanks. > > "transparent-proxying" is in the squidGuard package. > If SG is > removed it will remove that service as well. > > Now, where did your squidGuard go? It is in the > repository, so I > don't see how an update could have removed it? > > > What does /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo contain? It > *should* be: > > [k12ltsp] > name=K12LTSP > > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.2 > > gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > > > Once you are sure your respository info is correct, > you can get > squidGuard back using yum: > > yum install squidGuard > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 15 19:46:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:46:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tossing around an idea...need some input In-Reply-To: <20050815164658.1363.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050815164658.1363.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1124135162.2968.188.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 11:46, Rob Owens wrote: > Here's a question: Is it possible to have 2 instances > of dhcp running on the same port, on the same machine, > with non-overlapping ranges, but with 2 different > dhcpd.conf files? > > I imagine you'd need to rename one of the instances, > so you could have dhcp and dhcp2, using dhcpd.conf and > dhcpd2.conf, respectively. The two .conf files would > be the same, except that they'd have 2 different > dynamic IP ranges and 2 different root paths (each > pointing to a different LTSP server). > > Any thoughts? Only one thing can answer on the same address/port at one time, so you can only have one server there. However it should be possible to get the effect you want with a 'shared-network' statement wrapping an assortment of different settings that you would like to have given to different machines. I'm not sure if the entries really have to be in different but physically overlaid subnets or how it chooses which to use for any particular answer but it does give you a way to mix things up. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 15 23:04:10 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:04:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! LDAP DIsappeared Message-ID: <43011F6A.4020803@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I need some urgent help here. We're in our second week of school and things have been going fairly well with our new Samba/LDAP server up until this afternoon. Seemingly without reason our PDC stopped responding. I could still ping it, I could still log in as root via VNC, I could still do Webmin stuff, but the server simply will not authenticate users. I clicked on "LDAP Users and Groups" in Webmin and it said that it couldn't connect to the LDAP server. I tried a few of the things in the /opt/IDEALX/sbin directory and got the same message. The system shows that slapd is running, and I haven't changed any settings anywhere. When I rebooted the server to see if that would help I couldn't get an X display at the machine- I could via VNC. The error said something about a /var/log/ file being missing. When I checked I found that the whole /var/log directory was missing. I have no idea how that could have happened. There are only two of us with access to the system and neither of us were actively using it at the time. Whether or not those two things correlate, I don't know. I created a new /var/log/ directory and that at least let me log into the system locally. Could there be some file or directory missing that LDAP needs in /var/log? I have only been backing up /home on this server, so I can't just go to the archives for whatever I may need. At the moment I have over 700 users who can't access anything, so I would greatly appreciate any help or advice that anyone could offer. Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Aug 15 23:02:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:02:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help! LDAP DIsappeared Message-ID: <200508160118.j7G1It019153@downeast.net> mark: can you get opn #ltsp..freenode.net ..maybe we can walk through it easier --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Aug 15 23:25:04 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:25:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 pre3 USB keyboard problem Message-ID: <43012450.5070400@inlandlakes.org> I'm setting up my servers for this year, and for some reason I can't get my usb keyboard to work on an HP t5000 thin client. It works great on my 4.0.1 installation, but I must have done something last summer that I can't seem to remember. I notice in my old lts.conf file, I have RCFILE_01 = usb -- but adding that to the current lts.conf file does not help (I think that was depreciated, but I thought I'd give it a try) Anyone care to make me look dumb, and help me out as well? :) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From marksarria at socal.rr.com Tue Aug 16 05:24:10 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:24:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Power User Message-ID: <001601c5a222$bbadbb40$6401a8c0@digital1> I have successfully created a Samba LDAP server for my school. I am in the process now of adding users and group accounts. Is it possible to assign groups certain permissions and then add users to that group. For example, I need to add a power user account. This user will be allowed to create and modify user accounts. Can I create a group with those privileges or is it by user only. And if it is by user how can I do this? Thanks --mark From espen at hertervik.net Tue Aug 16 11:54:04 2005 From: espen at hertervik.net (espen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:54:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Volume error on login to 4.4.beta3 server Message-ID: <20050816113407.M83129@hertervik.net> We have K12LTSP 4.4.beta3 on four servers, and all users get the annoying error that the mixer applet cannot find a sound device: I've run the no-volume-control-fix.sh script, with no luck: [root at asjer k12linux]# ./no-volume-control-fix.sh [root at asjer k12linux]# ls -ld /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer d--------- 2 root root 4096 aug 2 09:13 /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/panel/applets/mixer ..still the users get the error message: "No volume control elements and/or devices found." upon login. Note that we have done fresh installs of our terminal servers (no upgrade); but nothing has been done with the user's home directories; (i.e. no "Reset Desktop" or anything) Is there anything I can do to prevent this annoying message without reseting all (650+) user's desktops? -- Vennlig hilsen Espen Vorland From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 12:13:15 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:13:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] howto for streaming content -- from NPR In-Reply-To: <200508121548.j7CFmFA16898@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200508121548.j7CFmFA16898@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <4301D85B.8080607@earthlink.net> > > Hello everyone. Hope your preparations for a new school year are going well! > > I have a new High School Science teacher that uses NPR a lot in her lesson > plans. I have sound working on three types of terminals (new LTSP Term150's, > GX1/GXa, and Vectra 66) in the building now, with sound working with games > like tuxtype and on some websites (must be using flash), but I have not > figured out how to play streaming media from websites like NPR or, for > example, a local talk radio www.850koa.com. > Also, I can play mp3's from a command line mp3 player, but not from a the > gui based player in the menu (can't remember the name of that player now), > and cannot even recall the error message at the moment, but it is something > about a/the mixer and recreate it once I get into the building. The next > item to figure out, was streaming content, and now I have a teacher that has > asked me about it. > > Can anyone help me with getting streaming content to work, for example, the > NPR website? > > Thanks in advance, > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > Eric Brown wrote: > Hello Rita, > > I've had to work through this before. I downloaded the streaming file to > the computer, then opened it up in XMMS. It's not a very elegant workaround > at first, but the upside is that you don't have to open a browser window and > navigate to the website once you've downloaded the streaming file, you just > open the file in XMMS. > > I've only done this with .pls files, and I think real media files. While > others could speak more knowledgeably on this, I'm not sure if it would work > with windows media streaming. > > Good luck. > I have found RealPlayer for Linux but haven't tried to download it and see if it works on ltsp. I would not be opposed to downloading the files and having them available in a shared file for the students to access. It would certainly minimize usage on our DSL lines. I don't really know how to download streaming content. Wow! I feel so old, I'm streaming-media challenged! Rita Gibson RMSELTech From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 12:23:46 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:23:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" Message-ID: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> Hello everyone: Congrats to everyone on the Best in Show win at Linux World. I sure hope there is some article written about this that I can draw from to put in our school newsletter.... Now for the problem at hand: I need to see if I can get streaming content from NPR for our high school science teacher, and stumbled across the "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" announcement when I followed the link in realPlayer: http://www.real.com/linux?pcode=rn&src=freeplayer_partner&opage=freeplayer_partner The information says it is based on an open source project called Helix -- anyone tried this yet, or can anyone tell me whether it is worth trying? Thanks much, Rita Gibson RMSELTech From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 16 12:55:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:55:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> FWIW, on my K12LTSP 4.2.1 server I recently clicked on a Real video file on some website, and it brought up Helix, but it wouldn't play the file at all. So, I installed RealPlayer 10 via the 'Get RealPlayer' script in the Install Additional Software folder, and then was able to play the video file, complete with sound. However, this was on the server. On the clients, the video part of RealPlayer 10 works, but I've not been able to get sound working so far, even though sound is working for other applications. Petre Rita Gibson wrote: > > Hello everyone: > > Congrats to everyone on the Best in Show win at Linux World. I sure hope > there is some article written about this that I can draw from to put in > our school newsletter.... > > Now for the problem at hand: I need to see if I can get streaming > content from NPR for our high school science teacher, and stumbled > across the "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" announcement when I > followed the link in realPlayer: > http://www.real.com/linux?pcode=rn&src=freeplayer_partner&opage=freeplayer_partner > > > The information says it is based on an open source project called Helix > -- anyone tried this yet, or can anyone tell me whether it is worth trying? > > Thanks much, > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 16 13:30:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:30:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dual core processor vs. dual processors Message-ID: <4301EA6E.8090308@maltzen.net> Has anyone compared the performance of a server running a single dual-core CPU vs. a dual CPU system? I think the consensus for some time has been that for a system properly built to handle several clients, one should use a dual processor system. But I wonder how a single dual-core system would compare. I noticed Pogo Linux is selling a dual-core Pentium D workstation (that could be used for a terminal server) that costs $2200 when equipped with 4GB RAM and a pair of 36GB SCSI disks. Granted, it doesn't have redundant power supplies and multiple Gbit network ports like their servers. But if $ is the paramount factor, would dual-core CPUs be a good compromise? Petre From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 16:23:10 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050816162310.90103.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Whatch out for RealPlayer 10 on FC4 based systems. I had a hard time installing it because it was complaining about libstdc++.so.5 . The problem was that RP 10 is based on older lib. files that aren't installed by default on FC4. I had the install the compat. stuff in the add/remove programs. Chris --- Petre Scheie wrote: > FWIW, on my K12LTSP 4.2.1 server I recently clicked > on a Real video file on some > website, and it brought up Helix, but it wouldn't > play the file at all. So, I installed > RealPlayer 10 via the 'Get RealPlayer' script in the > Install Additional Software folder, > and then was able to play the video file, complete > with sound. However, this was on the > server. On the clients, the video part of > RealPlayer 10 works, but I've not been able > to get sound working so far, even though sound is > working for other applications. > > Petre > > Rita Gibson wrote: > > > > Hello everyone: > > > > Congrats to everyone on the Best in Show win at > Linux World. I sure hope > > there is some article written about this that I > can draw from to put in > > our school newsletter.... > > > > Now for the problem at hand: I need to see if I > can get streaming > > content from NPR for our high school science > teacher, and stumbled > > across the "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" > announcement when I > > followed the link in realPlayer: > > > http://www.real.com/linux?pcode=rn&src=freeplayer_partner&opage=freeplayer_partner > > > > > > > The information says it is based on an open source > project called Helix > > -- anyone tried this yet, or can anyone tell me > whether it is worth trying? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Rita Gibson > > RMSELTech > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gj.kramer at planet.nl Tue Aug 16 16:39:13 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:39:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> Also FWIW, it seems to me that client sound with RealPlayer 10 is not possible with the packaged (rpm) version. It may be possible if you compile it yourself and include the necessary options. If I recall correctly RealPlayer 8 worked fine on the clients once you configured the output for esd (or possibly gstreamer?). The option was available under one of the tabs (Hardware?) reached via Tools -> Preferences. With RP 10 access to this option was not packaged. As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. Regards, - gustav On Tue, 2005-16-08 at 07:55 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > FWIW, on my K12LTSP 4.2.1 server I recently clicked on a Real video file on some > website, and it brought up Helix, but it wouldn't play the file at all. So, I installed > RealPlayer 10 via the 'Get RealPlayer' script in the Install Additional Software folder, > and then was able to play the video file, complete with sound. However, this was on the > server. On the clients, the video part of RealPlayer 10 works, but I've not been able > to get sound working so far, even though sound is working for other applications. > > Petre > > Rita Gibson wrote: > > > > Hello everyone: > > > > Congrats to everyone on the Best in Show win at Linux World. I sure hope > > there is some article written about this that I can draw from to put in > > our school newsletter.... > > > > Now for the problem at hand: I need to see if I can get streaming > > content from NPR for our high school science teacher, and stumbled > > across the "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" announcement when I > > followed the link in realPlayer: > > http://www.real.com/linux?pcode=rn&src=freeplayer_partner&opage=freeplayer_partner > > > > > > The information says it is based on an open source project called Helix > > -- anyone tried this yet, or can anyone tell me whether it is worth trying? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Rita Gibson > > RMSELTech > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Aug 16 16:52:24 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:52:24 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp project for centos? Message-ID: <10019.200.222.204.60.1124211144.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> are there any ltsp projects for a centos based distro? Thanks, Ramon From nbs at sonic.net Tue Aug 16 17:07:08 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:07:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> Message-ID: <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:39:13PM +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find > it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. And in the meantime, ask NPR why they're not streaming OGG Vorbis. ;) (Or are they...? I admittedly haven't checked.) -bill! From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Aug 16 17:08:45 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:08:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp project for centos? In-Reply-To: <10019.200.222.204.60.1124211144.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> References: <10019.200.222.204.60.1124211144.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <43021D9D.4@msln.net> Try these ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ Mark Ramon wrote: >are there any ltsp projects for a centos based distro? >Thanks, >Ramon > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 16 17:49:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:49:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1124214584.8594.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 12:07, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:39:13PM +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > > As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find > > it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. > > And in the meantime, ask NPR why they're not streaming OGG Vorbis. ;) > (Or are they...? I admittedly haven't checked.) Podcasting seems to be the current big thing although that involves the wrapper xml and technique to publish and subscribe more than the encoding but it seems like a natural for education topics. Is anything available to subscribe to a remote feed and make a local copy available to multiple clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 18:00:33 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:00:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dual core processor vs. dual processors In-Reply-To: <4301EA6E.8090308@maltzen.net> References: <4301EA6E.8090308@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 8/16/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > Has anyone compared the performance of a server running a single dual-core CPU vs. a > dual CPU system? I think the consensus for some time has been that for a system > properly built to handle several clients, one should use a dual processor system. But I > wonder how a single dual-core system would compare. I noticed Pogo Linux is selling a > dual-core Pentium D workstation (that could be used for a terminal server) that costs > $2200 when equipped with 4GB RAM and a pair of 36GB SCSI disks. Granted, it doesn't > have redundant power supplies and multiple Gbit network ports like their servers. But > if $ is the paramount factor, would dual-core CPUs be a good compromise? Yes a single dual core cpu is an excellent compromise with a few notes. Go Athlon64 X2 if at all possible.Here is my limited understanding. The dual core pentiums, even though they are cheaper, are inferior because if a process is transfered from one core to the other it has to go throught the front side bus of the motherboard but on an athlonX2 there is a hypertransport layer that connects the 2 cores, plus the memory controller is inside the cpu. Put simply AMD built the dual core Opteron/Athlons with dual core intent from inception. Intel added it later as an afterthought when Itanium failed. AMD just introduced the lower cost Athlon X2 3800+. Personally, I have no data to back this up but I think a single dual core AMD is better than a real dual cpu intel system. BUT the factor which throws everything out of wack is that the newest Pentium D boards have SATA ncq support which is terrific on k12ltsp servers. AMD MB manufacturers should catch up by xmas for ncq support. Note: However, I believe kernel 2.6.12 is the first kernel to fully support dual core. FC 4 uses 2.6.11 but may be patched to support it, RHEL4 uses 2.6.9 but RH has backported dual core support. So the newest k12ltsp should work. I would put my money on 4.2.1EL. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 20:35:14 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:35:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1EL ssh-agent processes not dying Message-ID: I'm in the process of rewriting TeacherTool and came across this anomaly. 1) from server do ps --User anyusername -o euser,pid,rss,comm --sort -comm for a user who is NOT logged in 2) login user to a client. 3) repeat step 1 4) log user off. 5) repeat step 1 6) repeat step 2 7) repeat step 1 8) repeat step 4 9) repeat step 1 etc Basically login and logoff the same user multiple times and you will notice ssh-agent processes for that user grows each time. This can be considered a type of memory leak in k12ltsp. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 17 00:07:20 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:07:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer on thin client Message-ID: <43027FB8.7060002@elp.rr.com> We have several HP 4Si serial port printers on our campus. The campus has a large Vlan network. Can we hook the printers to thin clients in various classrooms? If we can how do we make them work? With the schools budget not spending money for ethernet adapters is a must. The server is running FC 4+. Thanks Pat From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 00:13:43 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:13:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer on thin client In-Reply-To: <43027FB8.7060002@elp.rr.com> References: <43027FB8.7060002@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: Pat, There's lots of information available on how to hook up the printers, but the short answer is, yes, you can hook the printers to the thin clients in various classrooms, and the thin client acts as a "jetdirect" for the printer, making each accessible to any workstation. If that was what your question was! Steve On 8/16/05, John P. Conlon wrote: > We have several HP 4Si serial port printers on our campus. The campus > has a large Vlan network. Can we hook the printers to thin clients in > various classrooms? If we can how do we make them work? With the > schools budget not spending money for ethernet adapters is a must. The > server is running FC 4+. > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 17 01:08:48 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:08:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer on thin client In-Reply-To: References: <43027FB8.7060002@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <43028E20.60307@elp.rr.com> That was part of the question. The other part is what do I need to do in root or where ever to set the printer up so it works. Is there possibly a wiki or can you give me a set of instructions to follow? Thanks Pat Steve Hargadon wrote: >Pat, > >There's lots of information available on how to hook up the printers, >but the short answer is, yes, you can hook the printers to the thin >clients in various classrooms, and the thin client acts as a >"jetdirect" for the printer, making each accessible to any >workstation. If that was what your question was! > >Steve > >On 8/16/05, John P. Conlon wrote: > > >>We have several HP 4Si serial port printers on our campus. The campus >>has a large Vlan network. Can we hook the printers to thin clients in >>various classrooms? If we can how do we make them work? With the >>schools budget not spending money for ethernet adapters is a must. The >>server is running FC 4+. >>Thanks >>Pat >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Aug 17 01:52:44 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:52:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] presentation Message-ID: <1A2BA86C.373F27E6.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi, Has anyone put together an LTSP presentation geared for municipalities with both application comparison and cost benefits that I could "borrow" thks norbert __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From edward at netday.org.za Wed Aug 17 09:27:44 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:27:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP sites in New York Message-ID: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> Hi list I am visiting New York City in September (from South Africa) and was hoping to visit sites there, preferably schools, that are using LTSP or just plain Linux. Our small non-profit organisation has deployed about 40 K12LTSP computer labs to severely disadvantaged schools in rural South Africa with great success. I am interested to see how differently things are done in the developed world, and what lessons I can take back home with me. Any leads will be really welcome. I already know about The Beacon School in Manhattan and have set up something with them. You can see short summaries of what we have done at http://co.za/ cares/netday_proj.html Thanks in advance ed PS It would help if any leads you give me are easily reachable by regular public transport from Manhattan. From goblin at scooter.co.nz Wed Aug 17 10:10:10 2005 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (mrgoblin) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:10:10 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Heads up for linux.conf.au 2006 Message-ID: <43030D02.80104@scooter.co.nz> Just in case anyone interested hasn't noticed yet. linux.conf.au 2006 will be held in Dunedin, New Zealand in January 2006. The call for papers is still open for anyone wishing to submit an abstract as is the "Call for miniconfs" for anyone interested in organising something for the K12LTSP project. Main site: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ Call for papers: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/cfp.php Miniconfs: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/miniconfs.php Look forward to meeting some of you there mrgoblin From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 17 11:01:11 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:01:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Setpassword in smldap-useradd-bulk Message-ID: <4DA81723-AE54-4EA9-931C-BBCF96945414@telenet.be> Is there a possibilty to preset passwords for all users created by the smbldap-useradd-bulk script? I' ve tried to make my userinfo.names file in the format Kevin,Verheyen,kverheyen,566,secret but the script still automagicly creates a random password... Any ideas? Kevin From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 12:12:49 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:12:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> Message-ID: <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:39:13PM +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > >>As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find >>it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. > > > And in the meantime, ask NPR why they're not streaming OGG Vorbis. ;) > (Or are they...? I admittedly haven't checked.) > > -bill! > I actually posted a note on their technical help web page telling them a little bit about what I'm trying to do and if someone could contact me to assist..... Can I cc you, Bill, when and if they contact me so that you can pipe in on the discussion? :^) Rita Gibson RMSELTech From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Aug 17 12:11:38 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:11:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Setpassword in smldap-useradd-bulk In-Reply-To: <4DA81723-AE54-4EA9-931C-BBCF96945414@telenet.be> References: <4DA81723-AE54-4EA9-931C-BBCF96945414@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4303297A.9090600@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Is there a possibilty to preset passwords for all users created by the > smbldap-useradd-bulk script? > > I' ve tried to make my userinfo.names file in the format > > Kevin,Verheyen,kverheyen,566,secret > > but the script still automagicly creates a random password... > Any ideas? > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > You should be able to preset them in the userinfo.in file, as per the instructions. If your file contains firstname,surname,username,GID,shell,home directory,password you should be able to run smbldap-useradd-bulk -f userinfo.in -o userinfo.out And it reads the file for all the info. If you don't want to include any of the field just leave them blank but I usually populate them all except for password, as I generate my userinfo.in file from a spreadsheet it quite easy just to include the other files like shell etc. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 12:19:08 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:19:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <1124214584.8594.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> <1124214584.8594.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43032B3C.3010808@earthlink.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 12:07, Bill Kendrick wrote: > >>On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:39:13PM +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: >> >>>As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find >>>it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. >> >>And in the meantime, ask NPR why they're not streaming OGG Vorbis. ;) >>(Or are they...? I admittedly haven't checked.) > > > Podcasting seems to be the current big thing although that involves > the wrapper xml and technique to publish and subscribe more than > the encoding but it seems like a natural for education topics. Is > anything available to subscribe to a remote feed and make a local > copy available to multiple clients. > They do have podcasts, but I am pretty media challenged! I think I have heard you can download a program and listen later, but I didn't think about this possibility. So what kind of a program would you play this type of file with? http://www.npr.org/podcasts/ Rita Gibson RMSELTech From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 17 12:59:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:59:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <43032B3C.3010808@earthlink.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> <1124214584.8594.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43032B3C.3010808@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1124283563.3911.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 07:19, Rita Gibson wrote: > > > > Podcasting seems to be the current big thing although that involves > > the wrapper xml and technique to publish and subscribe more than > > the encoding but it seems like a natural for education topics. Is > > anything available to subscribe to a remote feed and make a local > > copy available to multiple clients. > > > > They do have podcasts, but I am pretty media challenged! I think I have > heard you can download a program and listen later, but I didn't think > about this possibility. So what kind of a program would you play this > type of file with? > > http://www.npr.org/podcasts/ There are 2 or 3 steps to listening to a podcast. First you locate them though their xml/web links and download them or subscribe if it is a recurring feed. The optional 3rd step is to sync with your ipod/mp3 player so you can listen from the portable device. If you have a windows or mac box around it would be easiest to download to latest version of itunes from apple: http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/ as the reference for how it is supposed to work because the interface is very simple. You might also be able to configure itunes to store its media files on the server drive where you would be able to play them from other clients. I usually try playing media with videolan client (vlc) first because it handles just about everything but I don't know how the sound works on clients. http://ipodder.sourceforge.net/index.php and a couple of other progams look like they should work as native linux clients but I haven't tried any yet. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 17 14:00:32 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:00:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43034300.4000803@maltzen.net> Short: Get the RealPlayer8 RPM file at http://forms.real.com/real/player/blackjack.html?src=rprdxint,rcahome and use that instead of RealPlayer10. You'll have to remove the RealPlayer10 first, but that's okay. RP8 works with thin clients and handles NPR's streams just fine. Long: Last night I downloaded the source files for RP10, but while there was a Makefile within the tar file, there wasn't a configure, nor a README, nor could I find any instructions on compiling it, let alone changing the configuration. Frustrated, I just googled for RealPlayer8 & linux and found the above link. Pulled down the RPM file, removed the RP10 package, installed the RP8 package, connected to NPR's site, and the streaming newscasts, etc. all worked like a champ. I didn't even have to make any adjustments to RP to make it work, even though there are some notes on the K12LTSP wiki about how to do so. It may be worth noting that I have sound set to NASD in my lts.conf file, and I was using IceWM on the client. Petre Rita Gibson wrote: > Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:39:13PM +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: >> >>> As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find >>> it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. >> >> >> >> And in the meantime, ask NPR why they're not streaming OGG Vorbis. ;) >> (Or are they...? I admittedly haven't checked.) >> >> -bill! >> > > > I actually posted a note on their technical help web page telling them a > little bit about what I'm trying to do and if someone could contact me > to assist..... Can I cc you, Bill, when and if they contact me so that > you can pipe in on the discussion? :^) > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Aug 17 14:32:25 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:32:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP sites in New York In-Reply-To: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Ed- If you like, you could come visit our offices in New Rochelle, NY (which is just a 25 minute train ride from Manhattan). We have some pilots in Manhattan schools, as well as some commercial clients in the area that have allowed us to bring people in to see the systems. We would be happy to schedule a day to show you a variety of different setups. My contact info is below. -Gadi PS: If anyone else happens to be in the Big Apple, this offer is most certainly extended to you, as well. On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 11:27 +0200, Edward Holcroft wrote: > Hi list > > I am visiting New York City in September (from South Africa) and was > hoping to visit sites there, preferably schools, that are using LTSP > or just plain Linux. Our small non-profit organisation has deployed > about 40 K12LTSP computer labs to severely disadvantaged schools in > rural South Africa with great success. I am interested to see how > differently things are done in the developed world, and what lessons > I can take back home with me. > > Any leads will be really welcome. I already know about The Beacon > School in Manhattan and have set up something with them. > > You can see short summaries of what we have done at http://co.za/ > cares/netday_proj.html > > Thanks in advance > ed > > PS It would help if any leads you give me are easily reachable by > regular public transport from Manhattan. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 17 14:35:03 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:35:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP sites in New York In-Reply-To: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <43034B17.408@maltzen.net> Edward- Looking over the list of schools to which you've provided labs, I'm impressed with all you've accomplished. Congratulations! A couple questions come to mind: 1. I noticed that prior to 2002, the labs consisted of 10 Windows computers, but from 2002 forward, the labs are K12LTSP servers with around 20 clients (the latest one has 40 clients!). Is the same amount of money being spent building the labs? It appears you're getting twice as much bang for the buck by switching to LTSP. Is that the case? 2. What are the specs on the hardware you use for the servers? I'm particularly interested in how the server at Esigodini Primary School, with its 40 clients, is working out. Thanks. Petre Edward Holcroft wrote: > Hi list > > I am visiting New York City in September (from South Africa) and was > hoping to visit sites there, preferably schools, that are using LTSP or > just plain Linux. Our small non-profit organisation has deployed about > 40 K12LTSP computer labs to severely disadvantaged schools in rural > South Africa with great success. I am interested to see how differently > things are done in the developed world, and what lessons I can take > back home with me. > > Any leads will be really welcome. I already know about The Beacon > School in Manhattan and have set up something with them. > > You can see short summaries of what we have done at http://co.za/ > cares/netday_proj.html > > Thanks in advance > ed > > PS It would help if any leads you give me are easily reachable by > regular public transport from Manhattan. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 15:16:05 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:16:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP sites in New York In-Reply-To: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <9bd317560508170816d5a106a@mail.gmail.com> Ed, You should come and see us a the Ascension School. We are using LTSP and we're right in Manhattan. We are two blocks from the 110th street stop of the 1 or 9 Train on the subway. I look forward to your visit. Peter Hartmann Ascension School 220 West 108th street New York, NY 10025 On 8/17/05, Edward Holcroft wrote: > Hi list > > I am visiting New York City in September (from South Africa) and was > hoping to visit sites there, preferably schools, that are using LTSP > or just plain Linux. Our small non-profit organisation has deployed > about 40 K12LTSP computer labs to severely disadvantaged schools in > rural South Africa with great success. I am interested to see how > differently things are done in the developed world, and what lessons > I can take back home with me. > > Any leads will be really welcome. I already know about The Beacon > School in Manhattan and have set up something with them. > > You can see short summaries of what we have done at http://co.za/ > cares/netday_proj.html > > Thanks in advance > ed > > PS It would help if any leads you give me are easily reachable by > regular public transport from Manhattan. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Aug 17 17:25:22 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:25:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer on thin client References: <43027FB8.7060002@elp.rr.com> <43028E20.60307@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: We have used really old computers , especially desktops so that we sit the printers on them , as network print servers. The advantage is uniform speed of printing from all thinclients , and doesn't depend on a particular thinclient running. You run up to 3 parrallel printers per server . We haven't tried serial , but i'm sure it's the same setup. see the following url for instructions. http://www.pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/ SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. Conlon To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Printer on thin client That was part of the question. The other part is what do I need to do in root or where ever to set the printer up so it works. Is there possibly a wiki or can you give me a set of instructions to follow? Thanks Pat Steve Hargadon wrote: Pat, There's lots of information available on how to hook up the printers, but the short answer is, yes, you can hook the printers to the thin clients in various classrooms, and the thin client acts as a "jetdirect" for the printer, making each accessible to any workstation. If that was what your question was! Steve On 8/16/05, John P. Conlon wrote: We have several HP 4Si serial port printers on our campus. The campus has a large Vlan network. Can we hook the printers to thin clients in various classrooms? If we can how do we make them work? With the schools budget not spending money for ethernet adapters is a must. The server is running FC 4+. Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at remc1.org Wed Aug 17 17:39:08 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:39:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer on thin client In-Reply-To: <20050817010913.20144.qmail@mail.remc1.net> References: <20050817010913.20144.qmail@mail.remc1.net> Message-ID: <4303763C.30008@remc1.org> k12osn at redhat.com wrote: >That was part of the question. The other part is what do I need to do >in root or where ever to set the printer up so it works. Is there >possibly a wiki or can you give me a set of instructions to follow? >Thanks > > In the lts.conf file there is a little blip on how to do what you are hoping for #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of a parallel printer attached to /dev/lp0 on workstation ws001 # #[ws001] # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 # PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial When ws001 boots up it is now a jetdirect server sharing the printer connected to the parallel port. From there you add it as a printer like you would any other jetdirect connected printer. There are other options you can do like flow control etc, but I've found those two lines are all you need. I have 2 or 3 printers right now hooked up to thin client jet direct boxes and they work great. Scott Sherrill From edward at netday.org.za Wed Aug 17 19:04:17 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:04:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP sites in New York In-Reply-To: <43034B17.408@maltzen.net> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <43034B17.408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <362AEE40-46E5-4C9B-9F35-1DF9117B413C@netday.org.za> Petre Before accepting any slaps on the back, I should mention that the funding was provided by the social responsibility wing of UniForum South Africa, a non-profit organisation that maintains the .co.za domain. They were founded several years back as a South African user group: the Unix Forum. In response to your questions: 1. It's actually more than twice as much bang for buck, because for the Linux sites not only can we provide twice as many computers: a. we provide hands-on training (through a subcontracted training company). This training provides teachers with national level credits if they meet the assessment criteria. Training is critical as in many cases this is the first exposure of the school to ICTs. b. we provide telephonic and e-mail support for the first year while they get the hang of it c. and of course all software upgrades are free and gratis in perpetuity, unlike our early efforts, using that other operating system. We ensure that the schools get the newest release of K12LTSP as it becomes available. btw we have tried several LTSP offerings with varying levels of success and find K12LTSP to be the all-round best. It's rock-solid in hot and dusty African environments and, very NB for the schools we work in, it has a dead easy upgrade path. If we were to remove the cost of training and support, we could install more equipment. However, these elements are important for new users and furthermore 20 clients is about right for the average size of classroom which we convert into a computer lab. Also, much of our expense lies in the logistics of installing in deep rural areas. We could do things cheaper in urban areas. Looking at the overall picture, considering such elements as refurbished PCs (environmental and economic benefits), less of a theft problem with thin clients, lower power consumption, ease of administration, range of applications that ship with K12LTSP etc etc I'd say LTSP is more like ten times bang for buck. If one considers all this from a perspective of sustainable ICT solutions, the facts speak for themselves. Now I am interested to see if this sustainability argument is relevant only to the under-developed world, or whether it is equally applicable to a leading global city such as New York. My hypothesis, based on lurking on a number of discussion lists, is that there are synergies worth exploring. In particular I am looking for irrefutable evidence that LTSP should not be read as carrying a "Good for Africa" stamp. I need to convince certain closed-minded bureaucrats that it's a world- class solution at a fraction of the cost of anything we have known before, and part of that argument involves illustrative cases from the developed world. 2. The 20-client sites are P4 (whatever is entry level at the time - currently 3GHz) with 2GB RAM, and the 40-client sites (only one so far) are dual Xeon with 4GB RAM on a gigabit backbone with 100mb clients. In fact all our newly deployed sites now run on GB backbone since it's become cost effective to do so, using entry level, unmanaged switches. The rest: as far as clients are concerned it's all the usual suspects - old P1's with 32-64MB RAM. Dells, IBMs and Compaqs are just great, but we use anything we can lay our hands on - and people are practically throwing them out - even in South Africa. Esigodini is working faultlessly, and interestingly I find that the 40 clients running simultaneously with a range of apps, even biggies like OOo, open does not max out the RAM on the server - only gets to just over 3GB used, with the occasional spike to 4GB as the apps startup. It almost never goes into swap space. We upgraded the Esigodini Primary School site from 20 to 40 clients because of the oustanding enthusiasm we got from the principal there - they are now even conducting their own training courses for the local community. cheers ed On 17 Aug 2005, at 4:35 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > Edward- > Looking over the list of schools to which you've provided labs, I'm > impressed with all you've accomplished. Congratulations! > > A couple questions come to mind: > > 1. I noticed that prior to 2002, the labs consisted of 10 Windows > computers, but from 2002 forward, the labs are K12LTSP servers with > around 20 clients (the latest one has 40 clients!). Is the same > amount of money being spent building the labs? It appears you're > getting twice as much bang for the buck by switching to LTSP. Is > that the case? > > 2. What are the specs on the hardware you use for the servers? I'm > particularly interested in how the server at Esigodini Primary > School, with its 40 clients, is working out. > > Thanks. > > Petre > > Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> Hi list >> I am visiting New York City in September (from South Africa) and >> was hoping to visit sites there, preferably schools, that are >> using LTSP or just plain Linux. Our small non-profit organisation >> has deployed about 40 K12LTSP computer labs to severely >> disadvantaged schools in rural South Africa with great success. I >> am interested to see how differently things are done in the >> developed world, and what lessons I can take back home with me. >> Any leads will be really welcome. I already know about The Beacon >> School in Manhattan and have set up something with them. >> You can see short summaries of what we have done at http://co.za/ >> cares/netday_proj.html >> Thanks in advance >> ed >> PS It would help if any leads you give me are easily reachable by >> regular public transport from Manhattan. >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edward at netday.org.za Wed Aug 17 19:15:07 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:15:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP sites in New York In-Reply-To: <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Gideon What a great offer. Thank you. I will not hesitate to accept and will follow up with you off-line. cheers ed On 17 Aug 2005, at 4:32 PM, Gideon Romm wrote: > Ed- > > If you like, you could come visit our offices in New Rochelle, NY > (which > is just a 25 minute train ride from Manhattan). We have some > pilots in > Manhattan schools, as well as some commercial clients in the area that > have allowed us to bring people in to see the systems. We would be > happy to schedule a day to show you a variety of different setups. > > My contact info is below. > > -Gadi > > PS: If anyone else happens to be in the Big Apple, this offer is most > certainly extended to you, as well. > > On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 11:27 +0200, Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> Hi list >> >> I am visiting New York City in September (from South Africa) and was >> hoping to visit sites there, preferably schools, that are using LTSP >> or just plain Linux. Our small non-profit organisation has deployed >> about 40 K12LTSP computer labs to severely disadvantaged schools in >> rural South Africa with great success. I am interested to see how >> differently things are done in the developed world, and what lessons >> I can take back home with me. >> >> Any leads will be really welcome. I already know about The Beacon >> School in Manhattan and have set up something with them. >> >> You can see short summaries of what we have done at http://co.za/ >> cares/netday_proj.html >> >> Thanks in advance >> ed >> >> PS It would help if any leads you give me are easily reachable by >> regular public transport from Manhattan. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edward at netday.org.za Wed Aug 17 19:16:59 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:16:59 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP sites in New York In-Reply-To: <9bd317560508170816d5a106a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <9bd317560508170816d5a106a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C3E6801-AC4A-48F2-950A-B5785EC38770@netday.org.za> Peter This is right near where I'll be staying in Manhattan. Thanks and I'll follow up with you offline. cheers ed On 17 Aug 2005, at 5:16 PM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Ed, > You should come and see us a the Ascension School. We are using LTSP > and we're right in Manhattan. We are two blocks from the 110th street > stop of the 1 or 9 Train on the subway. I look forward to your visit. > > Peter Hartmann > > > Ascension School > 220 West 108th street > New York, NY > 10025 > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/17/05, Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> Hi list >> >> I am visiting New York City in September (from South Africa) and was >> hoping to visit sites there, preferably schools, that are using LTSP >> or just plain Linux. Our small non-profit organisation has deployed >> about 40 K12LTSP computer labs to severely disadvantaged schools in >> rural South Africa with great success. I am interested to see how >> differently things are done in the developed world, and what lessons >> I can take back home with me. >> >> Any leads will be really welcome. I already know about The Beacon >> School in Manhattan and have set up something with them. >> >> You can see short summaries of what we have done at http://co.za/ >> cares/netday_proj.html >> >> Thanks in advance >> ed >> >> PS It would help if any leads you give me are easily reachable by >> regular public transport from Manhattan. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Aug 17 19:53:17 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:53:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? Message-ID: <081720051953.16472.430395AC000DD0950000405822070215539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> When I just went to k12os.org via the link at http://www.k12ltsp.org , I get spykids ownz you Not sure if this is real, or not, but ... thought I would mention it. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From k12osn at perusion.com Wed Aug 17 20:02:01 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:02:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? In-Reply-To: <081720051953.16472.430395AC000DD0950000405822070215539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <081720051953.16472.430395AC000DD0950000405822070215539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050817200201.GA31788@bill.heins.net> Quoting dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net): > When I just went to k12os.org via the link at http://www.k12ltsp.org , I get > > spykids ownz you > > Not sure if this is real, or not, but ... thought I would mention it. Appears that the Riverdale, OR school system got hacked.... -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. -- Thomas Edison From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Aug 17 20:02:17 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:02:17 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? In-Reply-To: <081720051953.16472.430395AC000DD0950000405822070215539C0207059F01080E 0B@comcast.net> References: <081720051953.16472.430395AC000DD0950000405822070215539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <10110.200.222.204.60.1124308937.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> that's not what I get.... > When I just went to k12os.org via the link at http://www.k12ltsp.org , I get > > spykids ownz you > > Not sure if this is real, or not, but ... thought I would mention it. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From david at okgoodwill.org Wed Aug 17 20:21:37 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:21:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBE46@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> That -is- what I get. Try a CTRL+f5 (total refresh) and see what happens? -dhbarr. PS: One possibility included DNS cache poisoning, I suppose. Around Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:02 PM, Ramon (mailto:ramonklown at pop.com.br) wrote: > that's not what I get.... > >> When I just went to k12os.org via the link at http://www.k12ltsp.org >> , I get >> >> spykids ownz you >> >> Not sure if this is real, or not, but ... thought I would mention it. >> >> Sincerely, >> Dave Hopkins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Aug 17 20:06:31 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:06:31 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? Message-ID: <20050817.bnz.93479100@mail.computergeex.com> If I recall that was the sign of an old phpbb hack (bot). Ramon (ramonklown at pop.com.br) wrote: > > that's not what I get.... > > > When I just went to k12os.org via the link at http://www.k12ltsp.org , I get > > > > spykids ownz you > > > > Not sure if this is real, or not, but ... thought I would mention it. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Aug 17 20:50:28 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:50:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? Message-ID: <20050817135028.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9f90e61745.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Aug 17 20:52:05 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:52:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? Message-ID: <20050817135205.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8f05cca44d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Aug 17 20:40:03 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:40:03 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? Message-ID: <20050817.wil.20829500@mail.computergeex.com> I would bet either index.html or index.php or both were altered, hmm, seems permissions/ownership should be checked David H. Barr (david at okgoodwill.org) wrote: > > That -is- what I get. Try a CTRL+f5 (total refresh) and see what happens? > > -dhbarr. > > PS: One possibility included DNS cache poisoning, I suppose. > -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 17 20:55:01 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:55:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] bootsplash for k12LTSP 4.4 Message-ID: <84A94515-4305-4A8C-87D4-39984CF2B02F@telenet.be> Hello, has anyone made yet a bootsplash version of the currently included version of the client kernel? As I'm not really a coder i was wondering where to get a patched kernel for this version. Only found the ltsp-1 and 2 kernel on the wiki. As we will begin using LSTP in our whole primary school it would be nice to see the bootsplash at startup :-) Or anyone willing to compile it? :-) Kevin From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 17 20:55:45 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:55:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? In-Reply-To: <20050817135028.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9f90e61745.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050817135028.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9f90e61745.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <9D242EAB-1609-4B2C-A28E-E36E0E09912E@telenet.be> Seems to be hacked froum outa Europe too... Kevin Op 17-aug-05, om 22:50 heeft rmcdaniel at indata.us het volgende geschreven: > If you are running a Proxy server, someone may just have hacked it > and redirected the k12os.org site. > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? > From: dahopkins at comcast.net > Date: Wed, August 17, 2005 2:53 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com (K12LTSP) > > When I just went to k12os.org via the link at http:// > www.k12ltsp.org , I get > > spykids ownz you > > Not sure if this is real, or not, but ... thought I would mention it. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill.bardon at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 21:10:45 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:10:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> I created an OpenOffice slide presentation to introduce the high school teachers to K12LTSP. Thought I would share it with the group here. It's specific to my installation, so it shows an IceWM+ROX desktop. Feel free to use it, change it, do whatever you want with it that will help promote or educate people about K12LTSP. To find it, go to the wiki and click on Articles, then Presentations. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 17 21:40:01 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:40:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? In-Reply-To: <081720051953.16472.430395AC000DD0950000405822070215539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <081720051953.16472.430395AC000DD0950000405822070215539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4303AEB1.9080000@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > When I just went to k12os.org via the link at http://www.k12ltsp.org , I get > > spykids ownz you > > Not sure if this is real, or not, but ... thought I would mention it. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > http://www.k12os.org is a virtual host on a clunky old box sitting *outside* my firewalls... it is not exactly "well maintained", I'm a bit surprised it took this long to be compromised. I think Paul setup k12os.org, I'll bug him about fixing/upgrading it... NOTE: it is very important to apply the updates for your third-party apps as well as your operating systems. If you are running a non-current version of postnuke (such as k12os.org) or phpbb or drupal or awstats, etc, etc, it is only a matter of time until your website will be defaced. It is easy to fall into a false-sense of security by thinking that up2date/apt-get/yum (or windows update service, or apple's updates) takes care of all of your security risks... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Aug 17 22:17:50 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:17:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki Message-ID: <20050817221751.QQQQ8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> which wiki? I don't see anything on http://wiki.ltsp.org > > From: Bill Bardon > Date: 2005/08/17 Wed PM 05:10:45 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki > > I created an OpenOffice slide presentation to introduce the high school > teachers to K12LTSP. Thought I would share it with the group here. It's > specific to my installation, so it shows an IceWM+ROX desktop. Feel free > to use it, change it, do whatever you want with it that will help > promote or educate people about K12LTSP. > > To find it, go to the wiki and click on Articles, then Presentations. > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz Wed Aug 17 22:28:28 2005 From: sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:28:28 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot using PRO200 NICs on 4.2.1-6; wrong module loaded Message-ID: <96EC184F-2FCD-416D-A643-5D98183088C0@shineonline.co.nz> Hi All I'm setting up a new system with K12LTSP distribution, release 4.2.1-6. The problem is with PXE booting from PCs with CNET PRO200 NICs. The new system is trying to use the tulip.o module and falls over with "ERROR! dhcpcd failed!". I want to use the *dmfe.o* module which works on the existing K12LTSP 3.1.0-0a system and is what I've always used with these cards. Question: How do I force a particular module to be selected for a terminal, for instance I want to force all my PCs with Pro200 NICs to use the dmfe.o module and not the tulip.o module. Note: When booting from the K12 CD using "linux rescue";, then it correctly loads the dmfe module. However, when PXE booting, as I've noted above, the system incorrectly loads the tulip module. Bug? From sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz Wed Aug 17 22:41:57 2005 From: sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:41:57 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] multiple NICs Message-ID: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> Hi All, How does one find out which network interface module links to which ethx? For instance, a lot of motherboards these days have two network interfaces on them. Therefore I know which modules are loaded "lsmod", and I know what interfaces are up "ifconfig". I'd be grateful if someone could advise how to look up which module is assigned to which ethx interface. For instance, if I've got 8139too and e1000 modules loaded, how can I find which is eth0 and which is eth1 (without resorting to pulling cables out of the back and pinging as I do now!) Thanks Stephen From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 17 22:51:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:51:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] multiple NICs In-Reply-To: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> References: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> Message-ID: <1124319103.11549.229.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 17:41, Stephen wrote: > How does one find out which network interface module links to which > ethx? > > For instance, a lot of motherboards these days have two network > interfaces on them. Therefore I know which modules are loaded > "lsmod", and I know what interfaces are up "ifconfig". > > I'd be grateful if someone could advise how to look up which module > is assigned to which ethx interface. > > For instance, if I've got 8139too and e1000 modules loaded, how can > I find which is eth0 and which is eth1 (without resorting to pulling > cables out of the back and pinging as I do now!) dmesg | grep eth should show the interface name to PCI device name connection from the initialization log. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bill.bardon at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 23:08:53 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:08:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <20050817221751.QQQQ8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050817221751.QQQQ8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20050817180853.0ebbea22@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Aug 17 luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > which wiki? > > I don't see anything on http://wiki.ltsp.org Ah, sorry, it's at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ Just for my own information, isn't this a K12LTSP list? Or do messages posted here also post to an LTSP list? -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 23:25:14 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:25:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] multiple NICs In-Reply-To: <1124319103.11549.229.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> <1124319103.11549.229.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: > > How does one find out which network interface module links to which > > ethx? mii-tool -w This nifty little trick allows you to plug cables into the nics and see real-time which one is responding. I learned it from "Elkner's kids" at the NECC show in Philadelphia. I use it all the time now! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 18 00:42:52 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:42:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 wine concern Message-ID: Hi gang The one monster Dell4600 server the district has running v4.4 is awesome... However, I am having a hard time making _any_ version of wine work properly. Tried the latest FC3 wine-20050524-1fc3winehq.i386.rpm and some earlier versions to try to run InteGrade Pro 9.1, but I keep getting strange errors, such as "drive a: unavailable" ... Has this happened to anybody else? What's the cure? As usual, thanks to those that care enough to answer Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Aug 18 03:02:06 2005 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:02:06 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 18, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <20050817160028.2FB5F738F9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050817160028.2FB5F738F9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1124334125.3240.4.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hey Goblin, It's been a while since I used K12LTSP but I'm still up to date with Fedora Core. I should be in Wanganui during that time, but I'm at Snells Beach right now. Is there anything I might be able to help with? It would be great to meet some of the Kiwi K12LTSP users. Cheers, Bert > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:10:10 +1200 > From: mrgoblin > Subject: [K12OSN] Heads up for linux.conf.au 2006 > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <43030D02.80104 at scooter.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Just in case anyone interested hasn't noticed yet. > > linux.conf.au 2006 will be held in Dunedin, New Zealand in January 2006. > > The call for papers is still open for anyone wishing to submit an > abstract as is the "Call for miniconfs" for anyone interested in > organising something for the K12LTSP project. > > Main site: > http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ > > Call for papers: > http://lca2006.linux.org.au/cfp.php > > Miniconfs: > http://lca2006.linux.org.au/miniconfs.php > > Look forward to meeting some of you there > > mrgoblin > > > > ------------------------------ From jam at mcquil.com Thu Aug 18 03:02:24 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-Ubuntu Breezy milestone available for testing Message-ID: I'm happy to announce that the Ubuntu guys have made great progress in integrating LTSP into the next release of Ubuntu (Breezy Badger). We're looking for people to do some testing, so all of you out there who have been anxiously awaiting this, now's your chance. I've created a wiki page with information for getting started: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest I'll add more info to that page as time goes on. Please, if you've got a spare machine to test with, give this a try. We really want to shake out all the bugs, before the final release in October. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Aug 18 09:28:08 2005 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (mrgoblin) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:28:08 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 18, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <1124334125.3240.4.camel@rolston.localdomain> References: <20050817160028.2FB5F738F9@hormel.redhat.com> <1124334125.3240.4.camel@rolston.localdomain> Message-ID: <430454A8.5050708@scooter.co.nz> Bert Rolston wrote: > Hey Goblin, Hi Bert, > It's been a while since I used K12LTSP but I'm still up to date with > Fedora Core. > > I should be in Wanganui during that time, but I'm at Snells Beach right > now. > > Is there anything I might be able to help with? While the conference is developer orientated, we would like to have a "Linux in Education" themed stream and/or miniconf but of course we need: A/ Someone to organise and run each miniconf. B/ Topical paper submissions for the conference itself. C/ To spread the word to anyone that might want to participate. > It would be great to meet some of the Kiwi K12LTSP users. Yes it sure would, We provide the venue and equipment all we need is someone to organise the miniconf. I would do it myself but being a Conference organiser has me more than just a little busy already :) You can view the Call for miniconfs here http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/lca-announce/2005-August/msg00001.html And the call for papers here http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/lca-announce/2005-August/msg00000.html So if you or someone you know might be interested now is the time to start getting ready or just passing the word about. Also this is an International Linux Conference and we have some very high profile guests and speakers coming from all over the world so don't think it's all Australian and Kiwis... Hope to see you there mrgoblin From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 18 11:00:12 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:00:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <43034300.4000803@maltzen.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> <43034300.4000803@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43046A3C.1040501@earthlink.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > Short: Get the RealPlayer8 RPM file at > http://forms.real.com/real/player/blackjack.html?src=rprdxint,rcahome > > and use that instead of RealPlayer10. You'll have to remove the > RealPlayer10 first, but that's okay. RP8 works with thin clients and > handles NPR's streams just fine. > > Long: Last night I downloaded the source files for RP10, but while there > was a Makefile within the tar file, there wasn't a configure, nor a > README, nor could I find any instructions on compiling it, let alone > changing the configuration. Frustrated, I just googled for RealPlayer8 > & linux and found the above link. Pulled down the RPM file, removed the > RP10 package, installed the RP8 package, connected to NPR's site, and > the streaming newscasts, etc. all worked like a champ. I didn't even > have to make any adjustments to RP to make it work, even though there > are some notes on the K12LTSP wiki about how to do so. > > It may be worth noting that I have sound set to NASD in my lts.conf > file, and I was using IceWM on the client. > > Petre > > Rita Gibson wrote: > >> Bill Kendrick wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:39:13PM +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: >>> >>>> As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find >>>> it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> And in the meantime, ask NPR why they're not streaming OGG Vorbis. ;) >>> (Or are they...? I admittedly haven't checked.) >>> >>> -bill! >>> >> >> >> I actually posted a note on their technical help web page telling them >> a little bit about what I'm trying to do and if someone could contact >> me to assist..... Can I cc you, Bill, when and if they contact me so >> that you can pipe in on the discussion? :^) >> >> Rita Gibson >> RMSELTech >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks, I'll try it on Friday. I'd really like to be able to solve this for the new high school teacher. :^) Rita Gibson RMSELTech From william at fragakis.com Thu Aug 18 11:31:50 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:31:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: k12ltsp.org hacked Message-ID: I had another site of mine hacked by this (probably) bot. Looking over the log files, I think a php module vulnerability in xmlrpc is the likely culprit. see this link: http://phpxmlrpc.sourceforge.net/#security regards, William From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Aug 18 11:42:55 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:42:55 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? In-Reply-To: <20050817.wil.20829500@mail.computergeex.com> References: <20050817.wil.20829500@mail.computergeex.com> Message-ID: <10072.200.222.204.60.1124365375.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Maybe it's because I'm outside the US and it takes a while to propagate the DNS over te world. (Maybe 48 hours or so) But I think it's what Erick said, it needs an update. > I would bet either index.html or index.php or both were altered, hmm, seems > permissions/ownership should be checked > > David H. Barr (david at okgoodwill.org) wrote: >> >> That -is- what I get. Try a CTRL+f5 (total refresh) and see what happens? >> >> -dhbarr. >> >> PS: One possibility included DNS cache poisoning, I suppose. >> > > -- > Ron Freidel > Sys Admin > Computer Geex, Inc. > (406) 491-3378 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 18 12:40:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:40:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> Bill- On the Presentations page, which one is yours? (or should that be "your's"?) Perhaps the links should be dated. Petre Bill Bardon wrote: > I created an OpenOffice slide presentation to introduce the high school > teachers to K12LTSP. Thought I would share it with the group here. It's > specific to my installation, so it shows an IceWM+ROX desktop. Feel free > to use it, change it, do whatever you want with it that will help > promote or educate people about K12LTSP. > > To find it, go to the wiki and click on Articles, then Presentations. > From webmaster at vol.org Thu Aug 18 12:46:06 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:46:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 wine concern In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1124369166.15238.1.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 19:42, Alan A Hodson wrote: > The one monster Dell4600 server the district has running v4.4 is > awesome... However, I am having a hard time making _any_ version of > wine work properly. Tried the latest FC3 > wine-20050524-1fc3winehq.i386.rpm and some earlier versions to try to > run InteGrade Pro 9.1, but I keep getting strange errors, such as > "drive a: unavailable" ... I'm running Reading Counts with that version of wine. I was having many problems with the old config files from a version of wine that was a couple of years old. Starting with a new config file fixed everything. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 18 12:58:42 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:58:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <43046A3C.1040501@earthlink.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> <43034300.4000803@maltzen.net> <43046A3C.1040501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43048602.9070501@maltzen.net> Just a follow-up: As mentioned, sound worked for me under IceWM. Last night I tried it under KDE and Gnome, and it failed with both. Seems ironic considering those two desktop environments are regarded as more 'deluxe'. KDE gave an error about not being able to write to /dev/dsp, for which the permisssions were set to 600; but changing it to 666 still didn't give me sound. I recall that others have reported similar results. Petre Rita Gibson wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Short: Get the RealPlayer8 RPM file at >> http://forms.real.com/real/player/blackjack.html?src=rprdxint,rcahome >> >> and use that instead of RealPlayer10. You'll have to remove the >> RealPlayer10 first, but that's okay. RP8 works with thin clients and >> handles NPR's streams just fine. >> >> Long: Last night I downloaded the source files for RP10, but while >> there was a Makefile within the tar file, there wasn't a configure, >> nor a README, nor could I find any instructions on compiling it, let >> alone changing the configuration. Frustrated, I just googled for >> RealPlayer8 & linux and found the above link. Pulled down the RPM >> file, removed the RP10 package, installed the RP8 package, connected >> to NPR's site, and the streaming newscasts, etc. all worked like a >> champ. I didn't even have to make any adjustments to RP to make it >> work, even though there are some notes on the K12LTSP wiki about how >> to do so. >> >> It may be worth noting that I have sound set to NASD in my lts.conf >> file, and I was using IceWM on the client. >> >> Petre >> >> Rita Gibson wrote: >> >>> Bill Kendrick wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 06:39:13PM +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: >>>> >>>>> As I see it, that leaves two options: Stick with RP8, if you can find >>>>> it; or, compile/package RP 10 yourself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And in the meantime, ask NPR why they're not streaming OGG Vorbis. ;) >>>> (Or are they...? I admittedly haven't checked.) >>>> >>>> -bill! >>>> >>> >>> >>> I actually posted a note on their technical help web page telling >>> them a little bit about what I'm trying to do and if someone could >>> contact me to assist..... Can I cc you, Bill, when and if they >>> contact me so that you can pipe in on the discussion? :^) >>> >>> Rita Gibson >>> RMSELTech >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > Thanks, I'll try it on Friday. I'd really like to be able to solve this > for the new high school teacher. :^) > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 18 13:09:48 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:09:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4304889C.7080803@inlandlakes.org> Petre Scheie wrote: > On the Presentations page, which one is yours? (or should that be > "your's"?) Perhaps the links should be dated. Possessive pronouns do not use apostrophes, because they already show possession (thus their name). Other easier examples are his, hers, its. It's rather embarassing that *that* is the question I know the answer to this morning... :o) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 18 13:42:31 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:42:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash sound esd... Message-ID: <43049047.80207@inlandlakes.org> Eric (or someone who knows), Didn't you make some sort of package to install the cron goodness that keeps flash sound working? (That whole deal with the /tmp/.esd/socket, which disappears occationally) I can make up a script, but I thought you packaged it up somehow... (I'm running 4.4.0 pre3) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:30:31 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:30:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash sound esd... In-Reply-To: <43049047.80207@inlandlakes.org> References: <43049047.80207@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On 8/18/05, Shawn Powers wrote: > Eric (or someone who knows), > > Didn't you make some sort of package to install the cron goodness that > keeps flash sound working? Symbio has one at www.thesymbiont.com in the tips and tricks area... -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Aug 18 14:34:55 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:34:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash sound esd... In-Reply-To: <43049047.80207@inlandlakes.org> References: <43049047.80207@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1124375695.8385.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Shawn- I believe Eric did package it in, but if not, you can start with the script here: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=144&Itemid=128 I actually run it on user login rather than out of cron (as a gdm PreSession script). Its a little more asynchronous ;). Cheers, -Gadi On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 09:42 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > Eric (or someone who knows), > > Didn't you make some sort of package to install the cron goodness that > keeps flash sound working? > > (That whole deal with the /tmp/.esd/socket, which disappears occationally) > > I can make up a script, but I thought you packaged it up somehow... > (I'm running 4.4.0 pre3) > > Thanks, > -Shawn From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Thu Aug 18 14:40:45 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:40:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? In-Reply-To: <20050818105807.246C873346@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050818105807.246C873346@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43049DED.6080105@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message: 17 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:40:01 -0700 From: Eric Harrison Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12os.org hacked? >http://www.k12os.org is a virtual host on a clunky old box sitting >*outside* my firewalls... it is not exactly "well maintained", I'm a >bit surprised it took this long to be compromised. > >I think Paul setup k12os.org, I'll bug him about fixing/upgrading it... >NOTE: it is very important to apply the updates for your third-party >apps as well as your operating systems. If you are running a non-current >version of postnuke (such as k12os.org) or phpbb or drupal or awstats, >etc, etc, it is only a matter of time until your website will be >defaced. It is easy to fall into a false-sense of security by thinking >that up2date/apt-get/yum (or windows update service, or apple's updates) >takes care of all of your security risks... >-Eric I plead guilty on all counts. It just goes to show that you should never go on vacation. I setup k12os.org using postnuke and did not keep it up to date. As Eric says, it's only a matter of time. I'm migrating the site now to Drupal. I think that will give us more options in how we use the site and it will make life easier for me just keeping track of one CMS system to update. The focus of K12OS.org was to be open source news in education. I'm hoping that list members will create accounts and contribute articles. It's also a place where you can share files that you create for presentations. Drupal has good forum and news feed features. I'll be setting it up this week. Let me know if you want to help out. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 18 14:58:34 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:58:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <4304889C.7080803@inlandlakes.org> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> <4304889C.7080803@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4304A21A.3040301@paasda.org> At least you knew WHY 'yours' was correct Shawn! =) I'm just happily installing 17 more stations in classrooms and library for next week when school starts! Yay financial budget guy! --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> On the Presentations page, which one is yours? (or should that be >> "your's"?) Perhaps the links should be dated. > > > Possessive pronouns do not use apostrophes, because they already show > possession (thus their name). Other easier examples are his, hers, its. > > It's rather embarassing that *that* is the question I know the answer to > this morning... :o) > > -Shawn > From Michael_Picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Thu Aug 18 16:30:04 2005 From: Michael_Picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Michael Picone) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:30:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TESA client In-Reply-To: <20050818160051.6037273C4A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050818160051.6037273C4A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: First, this is my first thread here so please excuse me if I did anything wrong in my posting it. Anyway, I just thought I'd see if some of you have the same problem I am having. I have installed the TESA "fake" session via the script Eric Harrison created. And it installed fine. When I have a user log into the client, it opens TESA just fine also. The issue is when you try and do a "Sample Test", the drop down javascript menus to select the grade, subject, etc. only drop down for a split second and then go back up. They will not allow you to make a selection even if you log in to the server locally. Javascript is enabled on Mozilla. Is there another browser issue I might have? Anyone else have this problem? Also, we had an older install (Dec. 2004) on a server that had the client version displayed as "Vanguard/Linux 0.1.57" and it does not have this issue. The client that Eric's script installs now does not display the version in the right hand corner anymore and has a black bar on the top part of the window as well as variant of tux on the left hand side. I emailed Eric about this and got no response. I guess installing the older verison should work but I cannot seem to locate a link to that script as the only one posted on the MESD's site seems to be the newer one. 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 18 17:14:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:14:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Gnome Games menu in IceWm Message-ID: Getting Gnome Games menu in IceWm...how? In the newer IceWM stuff in 4.4 the Gnome menu is pretty well stripped....how can I get some of that stuff back in without having to do them one by one (which would stink) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Aug 18 18:31:44 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:31:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working Message-ID: Hi All : We are struggling with option 128 / 129 on a Novell Netware 6 DHCP server. What I would like to do is using TCP for NFS and not UDP. I've read this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#Etherboot >From what I can see the root filesystem get mounted by the cmd: mount -n -o ${MOPTS} ${NFS_IP}:${NFS_DIR} /mnt in linuxrc. We've put the following in 128/129 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 129 MOPTS=nolock,ro,proto=tcp (Found this on this list Dec 1 2004 - solved pivot_root hang) According to ethereal we are still using UDP :-( The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. Any suggestions? Peter PS Is there a very detailed howto available on how to alter linuxrc? so I can hardcode the proto=tcp... or at least get a couple extra echo statements in the script... From nbs at sonic.net Thu Aug 18 18:49:13 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:49:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <43048602.9070501@maltzen.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> <43034300.4000803@maltzen.net> <43046A3C.1040501@earthlink.net> <43048602.9070501@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050818184913.GA30475@sonic.net> On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 07:58:42AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > Just a follow-up: As mentioned, sound worked for me under IceWM. Last > night I tried it under KDE and Gnome, and it failed with both. Seems > ironic considering those two desktop environments are regarded as more > 'deluxe'. KDE gave an error about not being able to write to /dev/dsp, for > which the permisssions were set to 600; but changing it to 666 still didn't > give me sound. I recall that others have reported similar results. In being "deluxe" both of these environments come with sound server thingies that applications can all use to 'share' the /dev/dsp device. Under KDE's Control Center, under "Sound & Multimedia", look for a "Sound System" section. If this is enabled, you're probably running "artsd", the aRts sound daemon. It's got ahold of the /dev/dsp device, and applications are expected to talk to IT, instead of to the device directly. I use this at home, and it allows me to listen to music streams in Amarok while at the same time having the new KDE text-to-speech system (ktts) read web pages for me. :^) If you can convince RealPlayer to talk to aRts instead of /dev/dsp directly, that should work well. Or, you can simply disable aRts, or tell it not to 'hold on' to /dev/dsp when aRts-capable apps aren't using the sound system. (There's some kind of "turn off after idle" option in there. I don't have a KDE desktop handy right now, so sorry for being so vague.) If RealPlayer doesn't "know" about aRts, you can still convince it to use it by providing a 'fake' device. Simply run the RealPlayer application through "artsdsp". In other words, if you have a situation like this: $ some_program Error: Cannot open /dev/dsp "Hrm, who has /dev/dsp open?" $ lsof /dev/dsp COMMAND PID USER ... NAME artsd 123 joe ... /dev/dsp You can try this: $ artsdsp some_program When it goes to open /dev/dsp, it will actually be talking to aRts. The Enlightenment Sound Daeom ('esd') has a similar tool, if I recall. ("esddsp" I guess?) It might make sense to create a new 'application' in your KDE and/or GNOME menu called "RealPlayer thru aRts" and then simply make it identical to the normal RealPlayer one, except stick "artsdsp" at the beginning of the command. Hope that helps! Sorry if I'm kinda rambling. Just downing my first coffee of the day. ;) -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Thu Aug 18 18:51:45 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:51:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "realPlayer 10 for Linux is here" In-Reply-To: <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> References: <4301DAD2.4080007@earthlink.net> <4301E251.2060203@maltzen.net> <1124210353.9392.10.camel@server.byh.org> <20050816170708.GA17488@sonic.net> <430329C1.1040605@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050818185145.GB30475@sonic.net> On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 06:12:49AM -0600, Rita Gibson wrote: > I actually posted a note on their technical help web page telling them a > little bit about what I'm trying to do and if someone could contact me > to assist..... Can I cc you, Bill, when and if they contact me so that > you can pipe in on the discussion? :^) Oh, I don't have much else to add, myself. ;) The list here might, though! ;) -bill! From jam at mcquil.com Thu Aug 18 19:02:19 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, Which LTSP kernel are you using? the ability to alter the mount options was added fairly recently. vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-3, I believe. Anything prior to that version will ignore that new option. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > Hi All : > > We are struggling with option 128 / 129 on a Novell Netware 6 DHCP server. > What I would like to do is using TCP for NFS and not UDP. > > I've read this: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#Etherboot > > >From what I can see the root filesystem get mounted by the cmd: > mount -n -o ${MOPTS} ${NFS_IP}:${NFS_DIR} /mnt > in linuxrc. > > We've put the following in 128/129 > 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 > 129 MOPTS=nolock,ro,proto=tcp > > (Found this on this list Dec 1 2004 - solved pivot_root hang) > > According to ethereal we are still using UDP :-( > > The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) > a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and > clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. > All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other > as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away > the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. > > Any suggestions? > > Peter > > PS Is there a very detailed howto available on how to alter linuxrc? > so I can hardcode the proto=tcp... or at least get a couple extra > echo statements in the script... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 18 19:18:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:18:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1124392680.28261.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 13:31, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) > a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and > clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. > All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other > as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away > the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. > > Any suggestions? If you have enough clients in one location to make it worthwhile, I'd park a boot server nearby. One of the machines you are using as a client would probably work if it has a hard drive. You can either also let it provide DHCP for the local boxes or tweak the main dhcp server to give it out in the next-server and root-path options for that subnet. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Aug 18 19:34:19 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:34:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working Message-ID: I will test it with a 2.4.26-ltsp-3. Currently working on a 2.4.0. Peter ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Jim McQuillan Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 1:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working Peter, Which LTSP kernel are you using? the ability to alter the mount options was added fairly recently. vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-3, I believe. Anything prior to that version will ignore that new option. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > Hi All : > > We are struggling with option 128 / 129 on a Novell Netware 6 DHCP server. > What I would like to do is using TCP for NFS and not UDP. > > I've read this: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#Etherboot > > >From what I can see the root filesystem get mounted by the cmd: > mount -n -o ${MOPTS} ${NFS_IP}:${NFS_DIR} /mnt > in linuxrc. > > We've put the following in 128/129 > 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 > 129 MOPTS=nolock,ro,proto=tcp > > (Found this on this list Dec 1 2004 - solved pivot_root hang) > > According to ethereal we are still using UDP :-( > > The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) > a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and > clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. > All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other > as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away > the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. > > Any suggestions? > > Peter > > PS Is there a very detailed howto available on how to alter linuxrc? > so I can hardcode the proto=tcp... or at least get a couple extra > echo statements in the script... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 13:31, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) > a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and > clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. > All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other > as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away > the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. > > Any suggestions? If you have enough clients in one location to make it worthwhile, I'd park a boot server nearby. One of the machines you are using as a client would probably work if it has a hard drive. You can either also let it provide DHCP for the local boxes or tweak the main dhcp server to give it out in the next-server and root-path options for that subnet. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4744 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 18 19:58:41 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:58:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client Message-ID: <1ae7b5b1ae6cb6.1ae6cb61ae7b5b@texas.rr.com> At my school we have several parallel port HP-4 Plus laser printers. We want to connect them to thin clients in various classrooms. 1. In the printer setup utility in root what selections do we need to make to cause the printer to work? 2. Do any files other than printcap need to be edited? Which files and what changes need to be made in those files? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Pat From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 18 20:01:26 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:01:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client Message-ID: <20050818130126.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8c690bca2f.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Aug 18 20:08:52 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:08:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] multiple NICs In-Reply-To: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> References: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> Message-ID: Get the MAC addresses for the interfaces and look in ifconfig and match them up. Write the MAC address on the exterior of the computer somewhere close to the interfaces. One way to find out is to just plug one interface into a network that is running dhcp and let it get a number that way and then run ifconfig and get the MAC address and mark it on the exterior of the computer close the it's interface. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Stephen wrote: > Hi All, > > How does one find out which network interface module links to which > ethx? > > For instance, a lot of motherboards these days have two network > interfaces on them. Therefore I know which modules are loaded > "lsmod", and I know what interfaces are up "ifconfig". > > I'd be grateful if someone could advise how to look up which module > is assigned to which ethx interface. > > For instance, if I've got 8139too and e1000 modules loaded, how can > I find which is eth0 and which is eth1 (without resorting to pulling > cables out of the back and pinging as I do now!) > > Thanks > Stephen > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Aug 18 20:11:26 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] multiple NICs In-Reply-To: References: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> <1124319103.11549.229.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: SSUUUHHH-WWEEEETT!! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > > > How does one find out which network interface module links to which > > > ethx? > > mii-tool -w > > This nifty little trick allows you to plug cables into the nics and > see real-time which one is responding. I learned it from "Elkner's > kids" at the NECC show in Philadelphia. I use it all the time now! > > Steve > > > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Aug 18 20:28:29 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:28:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - still stuck at pivot_root Message-ID: Hi Jim and others : It isn't going with kernel 2.4.26-ltsp-3. On the client I get the NFS server not responding - Still trying msg And AFAIK we are still doing UDP... Is there a (good documented) way to hardcode things inside linuxrc? If nothing else I would like to do an echo $MOPTS before the mount to see the 'options' (With ethereal I see a DHCP ACK with the 2 string in the data part of the packet...) Peter ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Van den Wildenbergh Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 1:34 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working I will test it with a 2.4.26-ltsp-3. Currently working on a 2.4.0. Peter ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Jim McQuillan Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 1:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working Peter, Which LTSP kernel are you using? the ability to alter the mount options was added fairly recently. vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-3, I believe. Anything prior to that version will ignore that new option. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > Hi All : > > We are struggling with option 128 / 129 on a Novell Netware 6 DHCP server. > What I would like to do is using TCP for NFS and not UDP. > > I've read this: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#Etherboot > > >From what I can see the root filesystem get mounted by the cmd: > mount -n -o ${MOPTS} ${NFS_IP}:${NFS_DIR} /mnt > in linuxrc. > > We've put the following in 128/129 > 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 > 129 MOPTS=nolock,ro,proto=tcp > > (Found this on this list Dec 1 2004 - solved pivot_root hang) > > According to ethereal we are still using UDP :-( > > The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) > a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and > clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. > All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other > as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away > the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. > > Any suggestions? > > Peter > > PS Is there a very detailed howto available on how to alter linuxrc? > so I can hardcode the proto=tcp... or at least get a couple extra > echo statements in the script... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7121 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jam at mcquil.com Thu Aug 18 20:47:02 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - still stuck at pivot_root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, Sorry, there isn't a doc for modifying /linuxrc when using Etherboot. The problem is, the initrd is combined with the kernel, and you'd have to pull it apart to modify it, and then put the pieces back together when you are done. Can you show me your actual dhcpd.conf file, so I can see exactly how you've specified the options? Also, are you sure you are using Etherboot? There's a different method of supplying the parameters if you are using PXE. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > Hi Jim and others : > > It isn't going with kernel 2.4.26-ltsp-3. > On the client I get the NFS server not responding - Still trying msg > And AFAIK we are still doing UDP... > > Is there a (good documented) way to hardcode things inside linuxrc? > If nothing else I would like to do an > echo $MOPTS > before the mount to see the 'options' > (With ethereal I see a DHCP ACK with the 2 string in the data part of the packet...) > > > Peter > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Van den Wildenbergh > Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 1:34 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working > > > I will test it with a 2.4.26-ltsp-3. > > Currently working on a 2.4.0. > > Peter > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 1:02 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working > > > > Peter, > > Which LTSP kernel are you using? > > the ability to alter the mount options was added fairly recently. > vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-3, I believe. Anything prior to that version will > ignore that new option. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > > > > Hi All : > > > > We are struggling with option 128 / 129 on a Novell Netware 6 DHCP server. > > What I would like to do is using TCP for NFS and not UDP. > > > > I've read this: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#Etherboot > > > > >From what I can see the root filesystem get mounted by the cmd: > > mount -n -o ${MOPTS} ${NFS_IP}:${NFS_DIR} /mnt > > in linuxrc. > > > > We've put the following in 128/129 > > 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 > > 129 MOPTS=nolock,ro,proto=tcp > > > > (Found this on this list Dec 1 2004 - solved pivot_root hang) > > > > According to ethereal we are still using UDP :-( > > > > The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) > > a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and > > clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. > > All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other > > as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away > > the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Peter > > > > PS Is there a very detailed howto available on how to alter linuxrc? > > so I can hardcode the proto=tcp... or at least get a couple extra > > echo statements in the script... > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Aug 18 20:53:51 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:53:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - still stuck at pivot_root Message-ID: Jim : Can't show you the dhcpd.conf... DHCP is done on a Novell Netware 6.0 server (It works fine locally) Using ethereal, we see the DHCP options 128/129 going over the wire. I am sure I use Etherboot. Can't use the Linux DHCPD on LTSP, even not for a few moments. Some further testing with options like rsize/wsize didn't help either. Regarding editing linuxrc, I think I have seen an how-to on how to get the pieces back together but how to I break them apart? (Got to downlood some toolkit etc) Thanks for the help (once again) Peter ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Jim McQuillan Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 2:47 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - still stuck at pivot_root Peter, Sorry, there isn't a doc for modifying /linuxrc when using Etherboot. The problem is, the initrd is combined with the kernel, and you'd have to pull it apart to modify it, and then put the pieces back together when you are done. Can you show me your actual dhcpd.conf file, so I can see exactly how you've specified the options? Also, are you sure you are using Etherboot? There's a different method of supplying the parameters if you are using PXE. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > Hi Jim and others : > > It isn't going with kernel 2.4.26-ltsp-3. > On the client I get the NFS server not responding - Still trying msg > And AFAIK we are still doing UDP... > > Is there a (good documented) way to hardcode things inside linuxrc? > If nothing else I would like to do an > echo $MOPTS > before the mount to see the 'options' > (With ethereal I see a DHCP ACK with the 2 string in the data part of the packet...) > > > Peter > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Peter Van den Wildenbergh > Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 1:34 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working > > > I will test it with a 2.4.26-ltsp-3. > > Currently working on a 2.4.0. > > Peter > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 1:02 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] FW: DHCP Option128/129 MOPTS - not working > > > > Peter, > > Which LTSP kernel are you using? > > the ability to alter the mount options was added fairly recently. > vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-3, I believe. Anything prior to that version will > ignore that new option. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > > > > Hi All : > > > > We are struggling with option 128 / 129 on a Novell Netware 6 DHCP server. > > What I would like to do is using TCP for NFS and not UDP. > > > > I've read this: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#Etherboot > > > > >From what I can see the root filesystem get mounted by the cmd: > > mount -n -o ${MOPTS} ${NFS_IP}:${NFS_DIR} /mnt > > in linuxrc. > > > > We've put the following in 128/129 > > 128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 > > 129 MOPTS=nolock,ro,proto=tcp > > > > (Found this on this list Dec 1 2004 - solved pivot_root hang) > > > > According to ethereal we are still using UDP :-( > > > > The reason for all this is to get (in case you want to know) > > a server running K12LTSP with NX on one end and > > clients on the other end of a 1MB pipe. > > All works fine in a test lab were server and client are close to each other > > as soon as we put the client a couple hops further away > > the client boot process hangs on the pivot_root. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Peter > > > > PS Is there a very detailed howto available on how to alter linuxrc? > > so I can hardcode the proto=tcp... or at least get a couple extra > > echo statements in the script... > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 9206 bytes Desc: not available URL: From william at fragakis.com Thu Aug 18 22:29:21 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:29:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp display lock default Message-ID: <6eca03f47d420c082ccc26cf4fb31fbd@fragakis.com> vers 4.4.0 introduces something I haven't seen in earlier versions. When setting up a new user, the default option is for the screen to lock out (log off) after 10 min. Is there a way to "uncheck" this? Otherwise, with each new user, I have to uncheck that option. Searching/goggling didn't turn anything up so sorry if I'm asking a FAQ. thanks, William From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 18 23:47:30 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:47:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. Message-ID: <43051E12.8050403@elp.rr.com> At my school we have several parallel port HP-4 Plus laser printers. We want to connect them to thin clients in various classrooms. 1. In the printer setup utility in root what selections do we need to make to cause the printer to work? Particularly what path information do I use, IP address, Mac address or what? 2. Do I need to make any entery in the lts.conf file? . Do any files other than printcap need to be edited? Which files and what changes need to be made in those files? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 18 17:14:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:14:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting Gnome Games menu in IceWm Message-ID: Getting Gnome Games menu in IceWm...how? In the newer IceWM stuff in 4.4 the Gnome menu is pretty well stripped....how can I get some of that stuff back in without having to do them one by one (which would stink) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 19 01:33:06 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:33:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 wine concern In-Reply-To: <1124369166.15238.1.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1124369166.15238.1.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: Which config file are you talking about? Is there a wine.config that I've missed so far? Thanks for the help Alan -=o=- > >I'm running Reading Counts with that version of wine. I was having many >problems with the old config files from a version of wine that was a >couple of years old. Starting with a new config file fixed everything. > >-- >george kocke >http://www.vol.org > >On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 19:42, Alan A Hodson wrote: > >> The one monster Dell4600 server the district has running v4.4 is >> awesome... However, I am having a hard time making _any_ version of > > wine work properly. From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 01:49:24 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:19:24 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4 wine concern In-Reply-To: References: <1124369166.15238.1.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <774593a205081818494f50e930@mail.gmail.com> On 8/19/05, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Which config file are you talking about? Is there a wine.config that > I've missed so far? > Thanks for the help > Alan May be he was talking about doing a: $rm -Rf ~/.wine and then re-installing the latest? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 19 04:08:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:08:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota Message-ID: anyone using PyKota? If so would you be willing to share the RPM's (perfectly legal to do so according to the site) for me to see if I can get it running before I donate? What distro do you use it with? Do you like it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Aug 19 04:32:27 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:32:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. In-Reply-To: <43051E12.8050403@elp.rr.com> References: <43051E12.8050403@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <430560DB.9040407@chinooksedge.ab.ca> IHMO, I would seriously consider buying JetDirect network adapters for them and then printing directly to them via IP printing. From my experience printing to PCL printers is very much more CPU intensive than printing to postscript printers, but seeing as these are HP 4+ printers and not 4 M+ you will have to take the extra CPU hit and considerably slower printing times. IHMO the best "improved version" of printing is to print direct to a Postscript printer via IP address. I cannot speak about remote printers - if that would reduce the CPU drag of the PCL printers ... but in terms of simplicity the JetDirect cards are the way to go. Maybe that is not quite the advice you were looking for .... Joe Guenther John P. Conlon wrote: > At my school we have several parallel port HP-4 Plus laser printers. We > > want to connect them to thin clients in various classrooms. > 1. In the printer setup utility in root what selections do we need to > make to cause the printer to work? Particularly what path information > do I use, IP address, Mac address or what? > 2. Do I need to make any entery in the lts.conf file? > . Do any files other than printcap need to be edited? Which files and > what changes need to be made in those files? > Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:43051e30119635861121188! > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Aug 19 07:29:00 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:29:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43058A3C.40704@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I run Pykota, only just rolled it out across college and haven't used it in anger yet. The print servers are running Fedora Core 3. I've got another Fedora Core 3 server running Postgres as the database backend. I can send you instructions on what packages you need to install if you like. Brian David Trask wrote: > anyone using PyKota? If so would you be willing to share the RPM's > (perfectly legal to do so according to the site) for me to see if I can > get it running before I donate? What distro do you use it with? Do you > like it? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Aug 19 07:32:10 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:32:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43058AFA.8070407@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David I've just tried to email you offlist but the mail was returned ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 19 08:37:27 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:37:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43059A47.2010601@paasda.org> sure dave.. I have it running on my LTSP machine with postgresql love it! lemme scrounge the rpm's for ya next week.. I fubar'd the mail server today... it's 1:30am and I'm just getting it fixed =) --Huck David Trask wrote: > anyone using PyKota? If so would you be willing to share the RPM's > (perfectly legal to do so according to the site) for me to see if I can > get it running before I donate? What distro do you use it with? Do you > like it? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 10:02:57 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] multiple NICs In-Reply-To: <420ED21E-A2AF-4EED-93A7-19A1D94649E5@shineonline.co.nz> Message-ID: <20050819100257.29968.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the Mandrake system I'm working on now, I have the following line in /etc/modprobe.conf alias eth1 tg3 and a similar one for eth0. If you recognize which module belongs to which ethernet port, you can use this method. I'm assuming that Fedora uses the same type of alias line in its /etc/modprobe.conf -Rob --- Stephen wrote: > Hi All, > > How does one find out which network interface module > links to which > ethx? > > For instance, a lot of motherboards these days have > two network > interfaces on them. Therefore I know which modules > are loaded > "lsmod", and I know what interfaces are up > "ifconfig". > > I'd be grateful if someone could advise how to look > up which module > is assigned to which ethx interface. > > For instance, if I've got 8139too and e1000 modules > loaded, how can > I find which is eth0 and which is eth1 (without > resorting to pulling > cables out of the back and pinging as I do now!) > > Thanks > Stephen > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 10:16:17 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] a program for load balancing Message-ID: <20050819101617.4221.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check out this article: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/07/27/1729229 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 14:08:22 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:08:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd31756050819070822926e49@mail.gmail.com> Hey,I'd love to try it too. Any chance I could get an RPM as well? Thanks, Peter On 8/19/05, David Trask wrote: > anyone using PyKota? If so would you be willing to share the RPM's > (perfectly legal to do so according to the site) for me to see if I can > get it running before I donate? What distro do you use it with? Do you > like it? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Aug 19 14:11:20 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:11:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quicken and Wine Message-ID: <2824058.1124460680704.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> I am running the "personal desktop" version of k12ltsp on a few computers here at our agency. There is a staff member that wishes to use Quicken on her computer. Will Wine do this? How do I get Wine running? From what I can see, GnuCash will not work with QDF files (quicken data files). Am I missing something? Any suggestions or help would be sooooo appreciated. Thanks. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 19 16:45:00 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:45:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. Message-ID: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> If we could afford to buy jetdirect devices we would be able to buy newer printers. We are doing with what we have and what we can make work. Any other suggestions? Bye Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Guenther Date: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:32 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. > IHMO, I would seriously consider buying JetDirect network adapters > for > them and then printing directly to them via IP printing. From my > experience printing to PCL printers is very much more CPU intensive > than > printing to postscript printers, but seeing as these are HP 4+ > printers > and not 4 M+ you will have to take the extra CPU hit and > considerably > slower printing times. IHMO the best "improved version" of printing > is > to print direct to a Postscript printer via IP address. > > I cannot speak about remote printers - if that would reduce the CPU > drag > of the PCL printers ... but in terms of simplicity the JetDirect > cards > are the way to go. Maybe that is not quite the advice you were > looking > for .... > > Joe Guenther > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > At my school we have several parallel port HP-4 Plus laser > printers. We > > > > want to connect them to thin clients in various classrooms. > > 1. In the printer setup utility in root what selections do we > need to > > make to cause the printer to work? Particularly what path > information > > do I use, IP address, Mac address or what? > > 2. Do I need to make any entery in the lts.conf file? > > . Do any files other than printcap need to be edited? Which files > and> what changes need to be made in those files? > > Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > !DSPAM:43051e30119635861121188! > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 19 16:53:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Quicken and Wine In-Reply-To: <2824058.1124460680704.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20050819165317.26948.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not sure about Quicken with Wine. But to get Wine set up you should use one of the setup tools after you install the Wine package. Two that I have used are winesetuptk and winetools. I've used winetools most recently and it's pretty easy. It sets up the user's config file and will install fonts, the Windows installer, and other stuff. It notifies you that you must have a valid Windows license in order to install some of the files it wants to install. It will download and install IE6 and Windows Media Player if you want it to. Make sure you run it from the command line the first time, because I've found that it hangs on downloading fonts. It's apparently trying to get them from a site that no longer exists. At the command line you'll be able to see the filename of the font it is trying to download, and then you can find it on sourceforge and manually install it by typing: wine yourfontname.exe I've found that installing these fonts makes it much easier to read text in certain Windows apps. An interesting Wine site is www.frankscorner.org -Rob --- Will Hatch wrote: > I am running the "personal desktop" version of > k12ltsp on a few computers here at our agency. > There is a staff member that wishes to use Quicken > on her computer. Will Wine do this? How do I get > Wine running? From what I can see, GnuCash will not > work with QDF files (quicken data files). Am I > missing something? Any suggestions or help would be > sooooo appreciated. Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From bill.bardon at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 17:03:50 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:03:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. In-Reply-To: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> References: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050819120350.4df5a813@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, Aug 19 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > If we could afford to buy jetdirect devices we would be able to buy > newer printers. We are doing with what we have and what we can make > work. Any other suggestions? I know you said your budget is very tight, so maybe this idea won't be any better, but: Do a search on eBay for "Axis print server". Axis makes some nice little units that plug right on to your printer's parallel cable connector, and can be had for under $30 on eBay. It's still money out of pocket, but much less than a new HP JetDirect box. I have a few of these working in schools and they are pretty trouble-free. -- Bill Bardon From andy at spitcomp.com Fri Aug 19 17:08:25 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:08:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. In-Reply-To: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> References: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: There are a bunch of jet direct cards on ebay some with "buy it now prices" of less than $15.00 -- I know this doesn't really answer your question, but it might make for an easier fix (and better performance) than setting up a printer from a thin client. Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Aug 19, 2005, at 12:45 PM, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > If we could afford to buy jetdirect devices we would be able to buy > newer printers. We are doing with what we have and what we can make > work. Any other suggestions? > Bye > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Guenther > Date: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:32 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved > version. > > >> IHMO, I would seriously consider buying JetDirect network adapters >> for >> them and then printing directly to them via IP printing. From my >> experience printing to PCL printers is very much more CPU intensive >> than >> printing to postscript printers, but seeing as these are HP 4+ >> printers >> and not 4 M+ you will have to take the extra CPU hit and >> considerably >> slower printing times. IHMO the best "improved version" of printing >> is >> to print direct to a Postscript printer via IP address. >> >> I cannot speak about remote printers - if that would reduce the CPU >> drag >> of the PCL printers ... but in terms of simplicity the JetDirect >> cards >> are the way to go. Maybe that is not quite the advice you were >> looking >> for .... >> >> Joe Guenther >> >> John P. Conlon wrote: >> >> >>> At my school we have several parallel port HP-4 Plus laser >>> >> printers. We >> >>> >>> want to connect them to thin clients in various classrooms. >>> 1. In the printer setup utility in root what selections do we >>> >> need to >> >>> make to cause the printer to work? Particularly what path >>> >> information >> >>> do I use, IP address, Mac address or what? >>> 2. Do I need to make any entery in the lts.conf file? >>> . Do any files other than printcap need to be edited? Which files >>> >> and> what changes need to be made in those files? >> >>> Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. >>> Thanks >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> !DSPAM:43051e30119635861121188! >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 19 18:01:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:01:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. In-Reply-To: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> References: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43061E72.3050303@maltzen.net> Nobody seems to be answering your original question: how to setup local printers. See Chapter 5 of the LTSP docs at http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html#AEN700 It's pretty simple. As a similar alternative, if you have spare machines lying around, you could make them into print servers; that way access to the printer isn't dependent on the client being turned on. Petre jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > If we could afford to buy jetdirect devices we would be able to buy > newer printers. We are doing with what we have and what we can make > work. Any other suggestions? > Bye > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Guenther > Date: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:32 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. > > >>IHMO, I would seriously consider buying JetDirect network adapters >>for >>them and then printing directly to them via IP printing. From my >>experience printing to PCL printers is very much more CPU intensive >>than >>printing to postscript printers, but seeing as these are HP 4+ >>printers >>and not 4 M+ you will have to take the extra CPU hit and >>considerably >>slower printing times. IHMO the best "improved version" of printing >>is >>to print direct to a Postscript printer via IP address. >> >>I cannot speak about remote printers - if that would reduce the CPU >>drag >>of the PCL printers ... but in terms of simplicity the JetDirect >>cards >>are the way to go. Maybe that is not quite the advice you were >>looking >>for .... >> >>Joe Guenther >> >>John P. Conlon wrote: >> >> >>>At my school we have several parallel port HP-4 Plus laser >> >>printers. We >> >>>want to connect them to thin clients in various classrooms. >>>1. In the printer setup utility in root what selections do we >> >>need to >> >>>make to cause the printer to work? Particularly what path >> >>information >> >>>do I use, IP address, Mac address or what? >>>2. Do I need to make any entery in the lts.conf file? >>>. Do any files other than printcap need to be edited? Which files >> >>and> what changes need to be made in those files? >> >>>Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. >>>Thanks >>>Pat >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>>!DSPAM:43051e30119635861121188! >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From trond at mahlum.biz Fri Aug 19 18:17:55 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:17:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Usb drives + ltsp + nautilus trouble Message-ID: <43062253.6090108@mahlum.biz> I'm running K12LTSP 4.4 and have integrated the localdevice scripts from ltsp.org's wiki into it. It's working. I use IceWM and Nautilus. My trouble is that when I mount a usb pen Nautilus reports free space as 0. I can make new folders, but no files. If I open Openoffice I can save directly to the pen with no trouble. If I start Konqueror I do no have this problem. In Konqueror I can drag files to the pen, copy and paste. And it works. But on our system, Konqueror is much slower when using IceWM than Nautilus. Anybody else seen this? Regards Trond Maehlum From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Aug 19 18:29:39 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:29:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. In-Reply-To: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> References: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050819182939.GA4208@fpcc.net> On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 10:45:00AM -0600, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > If we could afford to buy jetdirect devices we would be able to buy > newer printers. We are doing with what we have and what we can make > work. Any other suggestions? At home we've set up a diskless workstation for printing. The workstation is a little slow while printing takes place, but still usable (533 MHz Via C3, kinda equivalent to a 300-350 PII). 1) set workstation up with static IP address (in /etc/dhcpd.conf - you'll need to remove the workstation's record in /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases) Here's the relevant part of our dhcpd.conf: host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:40:63:D3:22:F7; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; } 2) set workstation config in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. Here's ours: [00:40:63:d3:22:f7] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial 3) Add printer (directly with cups, or with system-config-print). Use workstation's IP address and specify "Jetdirect" as interface type. Here's our /etc/cups/printers.conf after using system-config-print: Info Created by redhat-config-printer 0.6.x Location DeviceURI socket://ws003:9100 State Idle Accepting Yes JobSheets none none QuotaPeriod 0 PageLimit 0 KLimit 0 That _should_ be all you need to do. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 19 18:38:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from a thin client: the improved version. In-Reply-To: <43061E72.3050303@maltzen.net> References: <1b210b21b1d5aa.1b1d5aa1b210b2@texas.rr.com> <43061E72.3050303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1124476712.14277.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 13:01, Petre Scheie wrote: > Nobody seems to be answering your original question: how to setup local printers. See > Chapter 5 of the LTSP docs at > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html#AEN700 > > It's pretty simple. As a similar alternative, if you have spare machines lying around, > you could make them into print servers; that way access to the printer isn't dependent > on the client being turned on. Long, long ago, I think I set up a remote print server that accepted postscript on the network side and fed it to ghostscript locally before sending to to parallel-port printer. It wasn't a thin client and even if I could remember how I did it, it would be different now but it seems like it should still be possible to offload the cpu work to the intermediate box if you wanted. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 19 19:14:46 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:14:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS issue Message-ID: <43062FA6.3040008@inlandlakes.org> Ok, I'm fernoogled. Local DNS has always worked, and now I'm getting the following: [spowers at gonzo ~]$ nslookup kermit Server: 10.10.5.8 Address: 10.10.5.8#53 Name: kermit.ils Address: 10.10.5.8 [spowers at gonzo ~]$ ping kermit PING kermit.ils (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from gonzo.ils (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.039 ms 64 bytes from gonzo.ils (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.024 ms --- kermit.ils ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.024/0.031/0.039/0.009 ms, pipe 2 [spowers at gonzo ~]$ Where is it getting 127.0.0.1?!?!?! It's not in the /etc/hosts file for sure, but this is happening on 2 differnet servers (fozzie does the same thing) Any ideas? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Fri Aug 19 19:59:10 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:59:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses Message-ID: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> Hello, Undoubtably some of you folks have dealt with this issue, so I thought I'd ask. Our school is expanding to 2 campuses for a few months while construction on a new building is finished. At our original campus, we have a k12ltsp server with samba on it where all files are stored. The Internet connection is a cable modem Internet connection with a 3Mbps downstream and 256Kbps upstream. K-4 grades are in building one, 5-8 in building 2. The teachers want to be able to access files in building2, where the Internet connection comes through a wireless ISP, with 3Mbps downstream, and unknown upstream. We are also sharing this connection with other tenants in the building, so we don't want to swamp the connection. The students from building 2 will also visit building 1 at times to use the computer lab. Can anyone see an solution? I don't think bandwidth constraints on the upstream ISP will allow any type of remote access to the files, so my initial idea was to set up another samba/k12ltsp server in building 2, and use rsync to sync the files at some regular interval. Perhaps sync files every 5 minutes from building 2 to building 1 during the day, and every night sync back the other way. I'm a little concerned about getting the scripts right to prevent data loss. Am I on the right track? Budget is very much a concern because all reserve are going to wire the new building. I hope I described this clearly enough, I'd be glad to clarify if not. Thanks, Ben Nickell From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 19 20:07:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:07:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DNS issue In-Reply-To: <43062FA6.3040008@inlandlakes.org> References: <43062FA6.3040008@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1124482078.14277.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 14:14, Shawn Powers wrote: > Ok, I'm fernoogled. Local DNS has always worked, and now I'm getting > the following: > > [spowers at gonzo ~]$ nslookup kermit > Server: 10.10.5.8 > Address: 10.10.5.8#53 > > Name: kermit.ils > Address: 10.10.5.8 > > [spowers at gonzo ~]$ ping kermit > PING kermit.ils (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. > > Where is it getting 127.0.0.1?!?!?! It's not in the /etc/hosts file for > sure, but this is happening on 2 differnet servers (fozzie does the same > thing) > > Any ideas? What does the 'hosts' entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf say? files means /etc/hosts dns means the servers in the order mentioned in /etc/resolv.conf (which nslookup should also follow). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Aug 19 20:25:16 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:25:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: If you needed access to windows application for your Linux clients, there are two options: Wine and Windows Terminal server. I'm interested in which way and why folks choose to go. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From k12osn at perusion.com Fri Aug 19 20:55:59 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:55:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20050819205559.GA12191@bill.heins.net> Quoting Shane Stafford (staffords at glenburn.net): > If you needed access to windows application for your Linux clients, there > are two options: Wine and Windows Terminal server. I'm interested in > which way and why folks choose to go. There is also Win4Lin terminal server. I have not used the terminal server version, and pricing at $100 per seat seems a bit high, but I have used Win4Lin single-user for years and that works well. It used to only work with Win98, but I believe recent versions will run XP and Windows 2000. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 I have a cop friend who thinks he ought be able to give a new ticket; "too dumb for conditions". From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Aug 19 21:46:28 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:46:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine versus Windows Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <20050819205559.GA12191@bill.heins.net> References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> < > <20050819205559.GA12191@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: Sorry thought I changed subject when I asked that question. Additional question, how does the licensing work when using WINE. thanks Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri Aug 19 22:18:13 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:18:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Usb drives + ltsp + nautilus trouble In-Reply-To: <43062253.6090108@mahlum.biz> References: <43062253.6090108@mahlum.biz> Message-ID: <1124489893.19384.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Trond- I'm not sure if it made it into K12's packages, but we fixed this in LTSP. The trick is a slightly modified version of smbd running on the client and a dfree script used to report a fake available disk space to Nautilus. Nautilus is the only one of konqueror, command line, etc, that checks available disk space prior to copying, and with the current local devices approach, the disk space needs to be fudged. In short, try this: 1. Add the following line to your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.localdev, at the end of the [global] section: dfree command = /sbin/dfree 2. Then, create a file: /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/dfree that looks like this: #!/bin/sh TOTAL=524288 AVAILABLE=$TOTAL echo $TOTAL $AVAILABLE 4096 3. chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/dfree 4. reboot the terminal. 5. log into server 6. in a terminal window type: df -v If your drives directory has ~2GB available space, then the above worked and so should transfering files to your pen drive. If not, then most likely you will need to install the patched version of smbd for the terminal by: 1. cd /opt/ltsp 2. wget ftp://symbio-technologies.com/ltsp-samba-1.0-1-i386.tgz **** beware: 15MB file **** 3. tar xvfz 4. reboot terminal HTH, -Gadi On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 20:17 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > I'm running K12LTSP 4.4 and have integrated the localdevice scripts from > ltsp.org's wiki into it. It's working. I use IceWM and Nautilus. My > trouble is that when I mount a usb pen Nautilus reports free space as 0. > I can make new folders, but no files. If I open Openoffice I can save > directly to the pen with no trouble. > > If I start Konqueror I do no have this problem. In Konqueror I can drag > files to the pen, copy and paste. And it works. But on our system, > Konqueror is much slower when using IceWM than Nautilus. > > Anybody else seen this? > > Regards Trond Maehlum > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Fri Aug 19 22:28:05 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:28:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <43065CF5.9050009@physics.isu.edu> Shane Stafford wrote: >If you needed access to windows application for your Linux clients, there >are two options: Wine and Windows Terminal server. I'm interested in >which way and why folks choose to go. > > > I don't really care that much about windows applications, so I guess I wasn't that clear. Our lab still dual-boots XP and from the LTSP server. Our issue is the limited bandwidth between the building and accessing the files over the public Internet. We do have one windows 2000 advanced server that was give to us, but I'm not sure , Since I don't like to deal with licensing, I pretty much avoid it whenever possible, so the windows server it is sitting unused until I reformat it and install K12LTSP. I guess while we are on the subject of windows apps, I would like to know if there is a way to make windows 2000 advanced server a windows terminal server, it might be nice for state mandated testing (from NWEA) Is it a simple as getting the Terminal Server client licenses, or do I need different software. Ben Ben >thanks >Shane > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 19 22:55:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:55:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota (again) Message-ID: My mail was down earlier....I saw some of the responses from Brian Chivers and Huck in the archives. Do either of you or anyone else actually have the RPM's? Or did you install via subversion? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Sat Aug 20 00:54:07 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:54:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <20050818121033.3d2c8926@localhost.localdomain> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> <20050818121033.3d2c8926@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43067F2F.8010608@maltzen.net> What version of OOo did you use to create the presentation? My OOo 1.1.3 doesn't know what to do with the file. Petre Bill Bardon wrote: >On Thursday, Aug 18 Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>On the Presentations page, which one is yours? (or should that be >>"your's"?) Perhaps the links should be dated. >> >> > >It's ("It is" ;-) the fourth link, titled "Intro to a newly installed >K12LTSP high school lab." > >The link to the specific wiki page is: >http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Presentations > >and the direct link to the file is: >http://www.computassist.com/images/stories/LTSP/lab%20presentation.odp > > > > From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 20 00:59:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:59:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: <43065CF5.9050009@physics.isu.edu> References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> <43065CF5.9050009@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1124499582.14800.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 17:28, Ben Nickell wrote: > Our issue is the limited bandwidth between the building and accessing > the files over the public Internet. We do have one windows 2000 > advanced server that was give to us, but I'm not sure , Since I don't > like to deal with licensing, I pretty much avoid it whenever possible, > so the windows server it is sitting unused until I reformat it and > install K12LTSP. Will most access be to the local servers or do you have to make everything look the same from either building? The connection you have should be OK for a few people accessing a few files that are on the wrong server. If you allow inbound ssh they can either log into the other server with nxclient or access files opening sftp://otherserver in nautilus. If you don't want ssh open to the internet you can set up a tunnel between servers with openvpn or ipsec. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Sat Aug 20 01:26:18 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:26:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: <1124499582.14800.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> <43065CF5.9050009@physics.isu.edu> <1124499582.14800.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <430686BA.4080303@physics.isu.edu> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 17:28, Ben Nickell wrote: > > > >> Our issue is the limited bandwidth between the building and accessing >>the files over the public Internet. >> >> > >Will most access be to the local servers or do you have to make >everything look the same from either building? The connection >you have should be OK for a few people accessing a few files >that are on the wrong server. If you allow inbound ssh they >can either log into the other server with nxclient or access files >opening sftp://otherserver in nautilus. If you don't want ssh open >to the internet you can set up a tunnel between servers with openvpn >or ipsec. > > > Les, Ideally I'd like to make it look the same in both buildings since the kids will be using computers in both building, if that is not possible, Maybe the sftp://otherserver would work for some of the more technical teachers and kids. I haven't done the openvpn or ipsec tunnel before, but thought about looking into that. Would that allow me to tunnel multiple services through the same tunnel? Thanks, Ben From bill.bardon at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 01:53:57 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:53:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <43067F2F.8010608@maltzen.net> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> <20050818121033.3d2c8926@localhost.localdomain> <43067F2F.8010608@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050819205357.4fbbbf54@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, Aug 19 Petre Scheie wrote: > What version of OOo did you use to create the presentation? My OOo > 1.1.3 doesn't know what to do with the file. > > Petre I used the 2.0 beta, which really is production ready, IMHO. I'll add a link to a 1.1.x version on the wiki too. Give me a day or so. -- Bill Bardon From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 20 03:29:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:29:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: <430686BA.4080303@physics.isu.edu> References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> <43065CF5.9050009@physics.isu.edu> <1124499582.14800.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <430686BA.4080303@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1124508572.14800.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 20:26, Ben Nickell wrote: > Ideally I'd like to make it look the same in both buildings since the > kids will be using computers in both building, if that is not possible, You might get by with mounting home directories but I think you really want more bandwidth for that - and probably something more reliable. Or something like unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ might work. > Maybe the sftp://otherserver would work for some of the more technical > teachers and kids. > I haven't done the openvpn or ipsec tunnel before, but thought about > looking into that. Would that allow me to tunnel multiple services > through the same tunnel? Yes, you make what looks like a direct connection between the servers and route the private LAN addresses through it. It looks like any other route as far as everything else is concerned, the packets going over the internet are encrypted, and you can firewall everything else. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Sat Aug 20 15:18:25 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:18:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: <1124508572.14800.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> <43065CF5.9050009@physics.isu.edu> <1124499582.14800.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <430686BA.4080303@physics.isu.edu> <1124508572.14800.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <430749C1.4060601@physics.isu.edu> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 20:26, Ben Nickell wrote: > > >>Ideally I'd like to make it look the same in both buildings since the >>kids will be using computers in both building, if that is not possible, > > > You might get by with mounting home directories but I think you > really want more bandwidth for that - and probably something more > reliable. > > Or something like unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ > might work. > > >>Maybe the sftp://otherserver would work for some of the more technical >>teachers and kids. > > >>I haven't done the openvpn or ipsec tunnel before, but thought about >>looking into that. Would that allow me to tunnel multiple services >>through the same tunnel? > > > Yes, you make what looks like a direct connection between the > servers and route the private LAN addresses through it. It looks > like any other route as far as everything else is concerned, the > packets going over the internet are encrypted, and you can firewall > everything else. > Which VPN tunneling software do you think is easier to understand? Does anyone know of any good resources and/or docs? I'll google for it later on today, but right now I'm heading out to make some sense of the wiring closet and move computers and setup a server now. Thanks, Ben From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sat Aug 20 18:59:31 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:59:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A bit OT: User Authentication with Apache Message-ID: <43077D93.4060808@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, Now that I've got my Windows NT domain converted to Samba/LDAP I'd like to get rid of my IIS server in favor of Apache. The one hitch is that I've got a couple of PHP and Perl scripts that need to be protected from the casual browser. In the past I've linked the security in IIS to the NT Domain credentials. The user simply had to enter whatever their current domain logon and password is (it changes every two months) and the get access to the file. How can I replicate this with Apache and LDAP? Any ideas? -- C-ya, Mark ____ A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click. From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 21 03:49:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:49:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT multiple campuses In-Reply-To: <430749C1.4060601@physics.isu.edu> References: <43063A0E.4020003@physics.isu.edu> <43065CF5.9050009@physics.isu.edu> <1124499582.14800.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <430686BA.4080303@physics.isu.edu> <1124508572.14800.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <430749C1.4060601@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1124596177.20297.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 10:18, Ben Nickell wrote: > > > >>I haven't done the openvpn or ipsec tunnel before, but thought about > >>looking into that. Would that allow me to tunnel multiple services > >>through the same tunnel? > > > > > > Yes, you make what looks like a direct connection between the > > servers and route the private LAN addresses through it. It looks > > like any other route as far as everything else is concerned, the > > packets going over the internet are encrypted, and you can firewall > > everything else. > > > > > Which VPN tunneling software do you think is easier to understand? Does > anyone know of any good resources and/or docs? I'll google for it later > on today, but right now I'm heading out to make some sense of the wiring > closet and move computers and setup a server now. I have several offices connected with CIPE, which used to be the easiest to use and up through fedora FC1 could be set up with the GUI system network tool. However it was dropped with the change to the 2.6 kernel in FC2 and later. Now I'd try OpenVPN first unless you have ipsec experience and are sure it works in the distribution you have. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fhkms at adelphia.net Sun Aug 21 10:45:25 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 6:45:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4 download site? Message-ID: <22170209.1124621125149.JavaMail.root@web4.mail.adelphia.net> where do I download the latest test version of 4.4? Thanks! From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 13:35:30 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:35:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] A bit OT: User Authentication with Apache In-Reply-To: <43077D93.4060808@honeygroveisd.net> References: <43077D93.4060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05082106355862cce7@mail.gmail.com> Mark, it might be worth asking the same question on the PHP West Midlands mailing list, which although sounds like it's only for those who live in the West Midlands area of the UK, is actually extremely open! It's signup address is http://www.phpwm.org/mailman/listinfo/phpwm I'm pretty certain someone on there should have done the same thing before, and if not should be able to point you somewhere else where they will have done. Regards, Jon On 20/08/05, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > Now that I've got my Windows NT domain converted to Samba/LDAP I'd > like to get rid of my IIS server in favor of Apache. The one hitch is > that I've got a couple of PHP and Perl scripts that need to be protected > from the casual browser. In the past I've linked the security in IIS to > the NT Domain credentials. The user simply had to enter whatever their > current domain logon and password is (it changes every two months) and > the get access to the file. How can I replicate this with Apache and > LDAP? Any ideas? > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 21 14:13:10 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:13:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new KDE text-to-speech system Message-ID: <43088BF6.9020702@earthlink.net> In another thread: Under KDE's Control Center, under "Sound & Multimedia", look for a "Sound System" section. If this is enabled, you're probably running "artsd", the aRts sound daemon. It's got ahold of the /dev/dsp device, and applications are expected to talk to IT, instead of to the device directly. I use this at home, and it allows me to listen to music streams in Amarok while at the same time having the new KDE text-to-speech system (ktts) read web pages for me. :^) If you can convince RealPlayer to talk to aRts instead of /dev/dsp directly, that should work well. I am interested to hear more about this -- has anyone else used this program? We have a few copies of Kurzweil but it has to be installed on a windows machine and it is not very accessible for students, and has been difficult to train teachers to utilize it. (text to speech for kids with learning disabilities). Does this text-to-speech system install with k12ltsp? I now have sound working with some programs and have been "collecting" terminals with sound to put into the classrooms. I need to work on installing RealPlayer 8 per the instructions in the RealPlayer 10 thread, but not until next week. I am really interested in this text to speech as we have a lot of special needs students in our building. Thanks, Rita Gibson From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 21 16:21:57 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:21:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A bit OT: User Authentication with Apache In-Reply-To: <43077D93.4060808@honeygroveisd.net> References: <43077D93.4060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4308AA25.7050601@maltzen.net> Check out the mod_auth_ldap module for Apache. It's not too difficult to get working if you're familiar with Apache's httpd.conf file. Petre Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, Now that I've got my Windows NT domain converted to > Samba/LDAP I'd like to get rid of my IIS server in favor of Apache. > The one hitch is that I've got a couple of PHP and Perl scripts that > need to be protected from the casual browser. In the past I've linked > the security in IIS to the NT Domain credentials. The user simply had > to enter whatever their current domain logon and password is (it > changes every two months) and the get access to the file. How can I > replicate this with Apache and LDAP? Any ideas? > From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 21 16:29:21 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:29:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories Message-ID: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> Should Syanptic see the K12LTSP repositories/mirrors? While I generally use yum, I've got a site where I want to install Webmin to make it easier for the locals to handle the administration, and I thought I'd show the folks there how to use Synaptic to install it. But Synaptic doesn't seem to find/be aware of webmin. Looking in /etc/apt, I don't see anythining pointing to the K12LTSP repositories. Should there be? I've not worked with Synaptic much. Interestingly, I see yum even has a separate repository for k12ltsp-yum. Petre From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 21 17:15:16 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:15:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 11:29, Petre Scheie wrote: > Should Syanptic see the K12LTSP repositories/mirrors? While I generally > use yum, I've got a site where I want to install Webmin to make it > easier for the locals to handle the administration, and I thought I'd > show the folks there how to use Synaptic to install it. But Synaptic > doesn't seem to find/be aware of webmin. Looking in /etc/apt, I don't > see anythining pointing to the K12LTSP repositories. Should there be? > I've not worked with Synaptic much. Interestingly, I see yum even has a > separate repository for k12ltsp-yum. Webmin is one of the things you can install through the 'get additional software' folder that shows up when you log into a k12ltsp box as root. Or you can run the command line script /usr/sbin/get.webmin. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 21 17:30:13 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:30:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> Ah, yes, so it is. I think Webmin has a BSD license. Is there a reason it's not shipped with K12LTSP or Fedora? Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 11:29, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>Should Syanptic see the K12LTSP repositories/mirrors? While I generally >>use yum, I've got a site where I want to install Webmin to make it >>easier for the locals to handle the administration, and I thought I'd >>show the folks there how to use Synaptic to install it. But Synaptic >>doesn't seem to find/be aware of webmin. Looking in /etc/apt, I don't >>see anythining pointing to the K12LTSP repositories. Should there be? >>I've not worked with Synaptic much. Interestingly, I see yum even has a >>separate repository for k12ltsp-yum. >> >> > >Webmin is one of the things you can install through the 'get additional >software' folder that shows up when you log into a k12ltsp box as root. >Or you can run the command line script /usr/sbin/get.webmin. > > > From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 21 18:12:43 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:12:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 12:30, Petre Scheie wrote: > Ah, yes, so it is. I think Webmin has a BSD license. Is there a reason > it's not shipped with K12LTSP or Fedora? It could just be historical - long ago RedHat shipped something called linuxconf which was an ambitious but slightly insane GUI management tool that configured everything whether you liked it or not. Then they did all those python redhat-config-xxx tools instead that store all kinds of gunk that really belongs in individual program config files under /etc/sysconfig and this became the RedHat way of doing things even after the tools were renamed system-config-xxx. This approach makes things easier to edit programmatically at the expense of people who expect application config files to contain everything in one place. Usually the RH/fedora init scripts pull values from the /etc/sysconfig files and pass them to the applications on the command line at startup so the programs aren't modified but they don't do quite what you expect if you just look at the application's own config file. Webmin takes a more distribution-agnostic approach by trying to parse existing config files in their native form - but of course it now has to accommodate the munged versions on RH/fedora systems too, which tends to be a moving target as the system-config-xxx tools are added and tweaked. Personally, I'd rather have seen all the effort go into making webmin better or helping people understand the native config files instead of avoid them... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From k12osn at perusion.com Sun Aug 21 18:22:11 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): > On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 12:30, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Ah, yes, so it is. I think Webmin has a BSD license. Is there a reason > > it's not shipped with K12LTSP or Fedora? > > It could just be historical - long ago RedHat shipped something called > linuxconf which was an ambitious but slightly insane GUI management tool > that configured everything whether you liked it or not. Then they did > all those python redhat-config-xxx tools instead that store all kinds > of gunk that really belongs in individual program config files under > /etc/sysconfig and this became the RedHat way of doing things even > after the tools were renamed system-config-xxx. This approach makes > things easier to edit programmatically at the expense of people who > expect application config files to contain everything in one place. > Usually the RH/fedora init scripts pull values from the /etc/sysconfig > files and pass them to the applications on the command line at startup > so the programs aren't modified but they don't do quite what you > expect if you just look at the application's own config file. > > Webmin takes a more distribution-agnostic approach by trying to parse > existing config files in their native form - but of course it now > has to accommodate the munged versions on RH/fedora systems too, > which tends to be a moving target as the system-config-xxx tools > are added and tweaked. Personally, I'd rather have seen all the > effort go into making webmin better or helping people understand > the native config files instead of avoid them... I think it more has to do with there being quite a few people who think having an SUID-root CGI program is insane. They would have a big problem with putting that out there by default, and I don't think I can blame them too much. In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad if you have an alternative. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them. -- Dave Barry From staffords at glenburn.net Sun Aug 21 20:09:42 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:09:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I have three new schools implementing K12 LTSP this fall. One of them really wants Microsoft Office available to the students. Researching WINE, it appears this can only be done with Codeweavers. It also looks like the Educational price for Network Server version is Server Software Module $486.50 25 Client licenses $1,120 I appears they would need to purchase both those. To me it seems at that rate they are almost close to buying another server and making it a 2003 windows terminal server. Of course that brings another set of complex and expensive license options. They own plenty of desktop copies of Office 2000. Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can shed some light on either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal Server licensing. My goal will be to educate them how easy it is to use Open Office and Microsoft Office (exists still in their business lab) but I want to be able to tell them their options. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 21 20:24:38 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:24:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: > > > Webmin takes a more distribution-agnostic approach by trying to parse > > existing config files in their native form - but of course it now > > has to accommodate the munged versions on RH/fedora systems too, > > which tends to be a moving target as the system-config-xxx tools > > are added and tweaked. Personally, I'd rather have seen all the > > effort go into making webmin better or helping people understand > > the native config files instead of avoid them... > > I think it more has to do with there being quite a few people who think > having an SUID-root CGI program is insane. They would have a big problem > with putting that out there by default, and I don't think I can blame > them too much. Webmin runs a standalone server with https, so it isn't exactly a cgi program. You are right that there have been security issues found and fixed in the past, like just about every other program that needs to execute some functions as root. I think you'll find that most of the attempts to do anything similar by people who thought they could do better ended up introducing just as many new security issues. Even the old standby sudo has had its share of bugs. > In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot > of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple > of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux > knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad > if you have an alternative. Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... Editing a text config file isn't all that difficult but most programs have a zero-tolerance policy about syntax errors. Omit a comma somewhere or spell a keyword wrong and the application dies, often without a good diagnostic and sometimes without any obvious indication except that all the users are calling you about the service that no longer works. Webmin at least avoids most of the simple typo problems that a beginner would otherwise face. And it does it in a way that does not interfere with normal edit-the-file administration. If you need something even more extreme for fill-in-the-form style administration there is the SME server that uses a database and templated perl scripts to control everything but it goes so far that it is difficult for someone with normal Unix/Linux experience to customize or even understand. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Aug 21 20:49:28 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (System User) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:49:28 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1124657368.12461.1.camel@k12ltsp.harekrishna.school.nz> If you are using LTSP you don't need the network server the professional version will suffice. I am using it and it goes well. But you will need to buy licences for your maximum concurrent users. You don't have to buy for every possible client as with MS. On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 16:09 -0400, Shane Stafford wrote: > I have three new schools implementing K12 LTSP this fall. One of them > really wants Microsoft Office available to the students. Researching > WINE, it appears this can only be done with Codeweavers. It also looks > like the Educational price for Network Server version is > > Server Software Module $486.50 > 25 Client licenses $1,120 > > I appears they would need to purchase both those. To me it seems at that > rate they are almost close to buying another server and making it a 2003 > windows terminal server. Of course that brings another set of complex and > expensive license options. > > They own plenty of desktop copies of Office 2000. > > Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can shed some light on > either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal Server licensing. > > My goal will be to educate them how easy it is to use Open Office and > Microsoft Office (exists still in their business lab) but I want to be > able to tell them their options. > > thanks > Shane > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From trond at mahlum.biz Sun Aug 21 21:50:25 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:50:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4308F721.90702@mahlum.biz> Shane Stafford skrev: > I have three new schools implementing K12 LTSP this fall. One of them > really wants Microsoft Office available to the students. Researching > WINE, it appears this can only be done with Codeweavers. It also looks > like the Educational price for Network Server version is Actually, MS Office 2000 runs perfectly on "plain" wine. I use it myself. Check out: http://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=office2000 Regards Trond Maehlum > Server Software Module $486.50 > 25 Client licenses $1,120 > > I appears they would need to purchase both those. To me it seems at that > rate they are almost close to buying another server and making it a 2003 > windows terminal server. Of course that brings another set of complex and > expensive license options. > > They own plenty of desktop copies of Office 2000. > > Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can shed some light on > either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal Server licensing. > > My goal will be to educate them how easy it is to use Open Office and > Microsoft Office (exists still in their business lab) but I want to be > able to tell them their options. > > thanks > Shane > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12osn at perusion.com Sun Aug 21 23:15:32 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:15:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): > On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: > > In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot > > of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple > > of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux > > knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad > > if you have an alternative. > > Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... I didn't mean to try and sound like I was talking from the top of a mountain, not at all. Though I have the years of experience, I recognize that not everyone does. I was just explaining why I think it is not configured into k12ltsp by default. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Be patient. God isn't finished with me yet. -- unknown From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 21 23:45:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): >> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: >>> In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot >>> of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple >>> of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux >>> knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad >>> if you have an alternative. >> >> Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... > > I didn't mean to try and sound like I was talking from the top > of a mountain, not at all. Though I have the years of experience, > I recognize that not everyone does. > > I was just explaining why I think it is not configured into > k12ltsp by default. > You missed the main reason Webmin is not installed by default... The official Webmin packages copy the root password from /etc/passwd (or /etc/shadow) when the package is installed. During the process of installing the operating system, the root password is empty. If Webmin is installed as part of the OS, it ends up with root rights and no password. From a security perspective, the results are non-optimal ;-) The two choices were to maintain a customized Webmin package that works around this issue or to have an option to install Webmin after the install was complete. Maintaining customized packages can put a huge drag on K12LTSP development, thus the post-install option was quite attractive. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 21 23:58:34 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.4.0 status Message-ID: I made a final build of K12LTSP 4.4.0. I ended up working most of today (and most of the last three or four weeks) so I'm a bit too grumpy to write up a cheery release annoucement right now. I was doublely grumpy when I realized I still have not send out an official release announcement for 4.2.1EL as well. Bah! ;-) The difference between pre-3 and the final build is minor. All of the security updates have been included. The only other change is that a few new photographs were donated from the k12ltsp-backgrounds package. That package will show up in the apt/up2date/yum repositories sometime in the next 24 hours. If you want to be the first on your block to have the shiny new ISOs, you can find them in the usual places. It is 75F and sunny outside, with a slight, cool breeze. I'm gonna log- out and go enjoy it ;-) Hopefully I'll write up an official release announcement when I get back! -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 22 01:38:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:38:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <, > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <, > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <, > <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 4:09 PM +0000 wrote: >Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can shed some light on >either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal Server licensing. The Win2003 server licensing is much cheaper....I do this and access it via rdesktop from K12LTSP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Mon Aug 22 01:40:27 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:40:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <, > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <, > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <, > <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <, > Message-ID: <43092D0B.2020700@chartermi.net> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 4:09 PM +0000 wrote: > >>Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can shed some light on >>either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal Server licensing. > > The Win2003 server licensing is much cheaper....I do this and access it > via rdesktop from K12LTSP With the standard Win2003 server, does it share out multiple desktops or a single one? If it does multiple, how many concurrent sessions can be done? Eric -- Eric Feldhusen REMC #1 Supportnet eric at remc1.org From robark at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 04:19:39 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:19:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1EL ssh-agent processes not dying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm bumping this message since there has been no reply. Forget the confusing steps in the previous post. Just read below. On 8/16/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Basically login and logoff the same user multiple times and you will > notice ssh-agent processes for that user grows each time. This can be > considered a type of memory leak in k12ltsp. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 06:15:26 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:15:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1EL ssh-agent processes not dying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the problem is in this file /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From info at proex-india.com Mon Aug 22 07:34:44 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:04:44 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1EL ssh-agent processes not dying Message-ID: <200508220812.j7M8Cfgs016216@mx2.redhat.com> I have hashed the line which activates the ssh-agent from /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common file and my issue went away. ( Stop gap arrangement) Is ssh-agent is necessary ?? Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/05 From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Aug 22 08:00:44 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:00:44 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf Message-ID: Hello, can someone add in return a default lts.conf out of the k12LTSP4.4 distro? I'm setting up the lts in suse, but it seems some of the options are'nt documented, or I can see them only in the lts.conf from 4.4 Thnx From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 10:06:10 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 03:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4.2.1EL ssh-agent processes not dying In-Reply-To: <200508220812.j7M8Cfgs016216@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050822100610.98946.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ssh-agent is used to "remember" your ssh passphrase for the duration of your login, so that you only have to enter it once even when making numerous ssh attempts. I can't think of why it would be required in K12LTSP, but maybe somebody else has got an idea. -Rob --- info wrote: > I have hashed the line which activates the ssh-agent > from > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common file and my issue > went away. ( Stop gap > arrangement) > > Is ssh-agent is necessary ?? > > Regards > K.dinesh > > *********************************************************************** > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > *********************************************************************** > This message and any attached files will have been > checked with virus > detection software before transmission. However, > recipients must carry > out their own virus checks before opening any > attachment. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Aug 22 12:58:23 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:58:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] A bit OT: User Authentication with Apache In-Reply-To: <4308AA25.7050601@maltzen.net> References: <43077D93.4060808@honeygroveisd.net> <4308AA25.7050601@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4309CBEF.6040606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Petre Scheie wrote: > Check out the mod_auth_ldap module for Apache. It's not too difficult > to get working if you're familiar with Apache's httpd.conf file. > Petre > > Mark Cockrell wrote: > >> Hello all, Now that I've got my Windows NT domain converted to >> Samba/LDAP I'd like to get rid of my IIS server in favor of Apache. >> The one hitch is that I've got a couple of PHP and Perl scripts that >> need to be protected from the casual browser. In the past I've linked >> the security in IIS to the NT Domain credentials. The user simply had >> to enter whatever their current domain logon and password is (it >> changes every two months) and the get access to the file. How can I >> replicate this with Apache and LDAP? Any ideas? >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I use the mod_auth_ldap so only staff can login. I can mail you the .htaccess file if you like. Brian Chivers --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 22 13:14:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:14:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <4309CF9C.4020702@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Mike Heins wrote: > >> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): >> >>> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: >>> >>>> In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot >>>> of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple >>>> of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux >>>> knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad >>>> if you have an alternative. >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... >> >> >> I didn't mean to try and sound like I was talking from the top >> of a mountain, not at all. Though I have the years of experience, >> I recognize that not everyone does. >> >> I was just explaining why I think it is not configured into >> k12ltsp by default. >> > > You missed the main reason Webmin is not installed by default... > > The official Webmin packages copy the root password from /etc/passwd > (or /etc/shadow) when the package is installed. During the process > of installing the operating system, the root password is empty. > If Webmin is installed as part of the OS, it ends up with root > rights and no password. From a security perspective, the results > are non-optimal ;-) > > The two choices were to maintain a customized Webmin package that > works around this issue or to have an option to install Webmin > after the install was complete. Maintaining customized packages > can put a huge drag on K12LTSP development, thus the post-install > option was quite attractive. > > -Eric > And I must say the post-install option worked like a champ. Thanks for building that option, Eric. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 22 13:25:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:25:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <4309CF9C.4020702@maltzen.net> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> <4309CF9C.4020702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4309D252.8090300@maltzen.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Mike Heins wrote: >> >>> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): >>> >>>> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: >>>> >>>>> In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot >>>>> of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple >>>>> of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux >>>>> knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad >>>>> if you have an alternative. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... >>> >>> >>> >>> I didn't mean to try and sound like I was talking from the top >>> of a mountain, not at all. Though I have the years of experience, >>> I recognize that not everyone does. >>> >>> I was just explaining why I think it is not configured into >>> k12ltsp by default. >>> >> >> You missed the main reason Webmin is not installed by default... >> >> The official Webmin packages copy the root password from /etc/passwd >> (or /etc/shadow) when the package is installed. During the process >> of installing the operating system, the root password is empty. >> If Webmin is installed as part of the OS, it ends up with root >> rights and no password. From a security perspective, the results >> are non-optimal ;-) >> >> The two choices were to maintain a customized Webmin package that >> works around this issue or to have an option to install Webmin >> after the install was complete. Maintaining customized packages >> can put a huge drag on K12LTSP development, thus the post-install >> option was quite attractive. >> >> -Eric >> > And I must say the post-install option worked like a champ. Thanks for > building that option, Eric. > > Petre > Does MESD maintain apt repositories? Going back to my original question, is there a reason why Webmin can't be installed via Syanptic? Well, yes, the reason is that Synaptic comes configured with the stock FC repositories. My real question is, if not Synaptic, what do people use to give novices a grahpical tool for seeing what packages are available and what packages they have installed, etc. (Perhaps Webmin is a bad choice for an example because its security implications have forced the workaround that Eric has created.) Is there a gui for yum? Petre From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Aug 22 13:29:28 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:29:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . It is free, and does just about everything M$Office does. . . openoffice.org Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Shane Stafford wrote: > I have three new schools implementing K12 LTSP this fall. One of them > really wants Microsoft Office available to the students. Researching > WINE, it appears this can only be done with Codeweavers. It also looks > like the Educational price for Network Server version is > > Server Software Module $486.50 > 25 Client licenses $1,120 > > I appears they would need to purchase both those. To me it seems at that > rate they are almost close to buying another server and making it a 2003 > windows terminal server. Of course that brings another set of complex and > expensive license options. > > They own plenty of desktop copies of Office 2000. > > Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can shed some light on > either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal Server licensing. > > My goal will be to educate them how easy it is to use Open Office and > Microsoft Office (exists still in their business lab) but I want to be > able to tell them their options. > > thanks > Shane > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From webmaster at vol.org Mon Aug 22 13:37:14 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:37:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1124717834.19697.5.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:29, Doug Simpson wrote: > Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . > It is free, and does just about everything M$Office does. . . It does not have Clippy... -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Aug 22 13:40:00 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:40:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E800@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Monday, August 22, 2005 9:37 AM, george kocke said: >> >> On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:29, Doug Simpson wrote: >> > Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . >> > It is free, and does just about everything M$Office >> > does. . . >> >> It does not have Clippy... Okay, it does just about everything you WANT M$Office to do. -- Henry From accessys at smart.net Mon Aug 22 13:46:01 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E800@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E800@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Henry Hartley wrote: > On Monday, August 22, 2005 9:37 AM, george kocke said: > >> On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:29, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> > Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . > >> > It is free, and does just about everything M$Office > >> > >> It does not have Clippy... > > Okay, it does just about everything you WANT M$Office to do. what is a "Clippy" ??? oh when oh when will OOo have "reveal codes" (fully implimented) and open WP docs.....? 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Aug 22 13:46:14 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:46:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> < > <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > Message-ID: I understand that and would prefer that. But, if superintendent still wants students to have access to Microsoft Office then I need to do that. First goal is get K12 LTSP and Open Office in the door. The students will tend to have no issues, but sometimes gotta please the powers that be to allow the change to occur. thanks Shane "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, August 22, 2005 at 9:29 AM -0500 wrote: >Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . > >It is free, and does just about everything M$Office does. . . > >openoffice.org > > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Aug 22 13:48:08 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:48:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP Message-ID: <20050822064808.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9bb0c8b94d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Aug 22 13:53:30 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:53:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP Message-ID: <20050822065330.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9932e73441.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 22 13:55:24 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:55:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <20050819205357.4fbbbf54@localhost.localdomain> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> <20050818121033.3d2c8926@localhost.localdomain> <43067F2F.8010608@maltzen.net> <20050819205357.4fbbbf54@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4309D94C.8050508@maltzen.net> Not willing to give you a day or so ;-) I pulled down the OOo 2.0 beta and was able to see your presentation just fine. And a good presentation it is! On your last slide, it mentions a 'prototype CD' with some cross-platofrm apps, installable from a web page. Is that your own CD or something like the OpenCD? Petre Bill Bardon wrote: > On Friday, Aug 19 Petre Scheie wrote: > >>What version of OOo did you use to create the presentation? My OOo >>1.1.3 doesn't know what to do with the file. >> >>Petre > > > I used the 2.0 beta, which really is production ready, IMHO. I'll add a > link to a 1.1.x version on the wiki too. Give me a day or so. > > -- > Bill Bardon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From webmaster at vol.org Mon Aug 22 14:08:49 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:08:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: <20050822065330.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9932e73441.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050822065330.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9932e73441.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1124719729.19697.29.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:53, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I explained to the powers to be that we are supposed to be teaching > kids how to use spreadsheets, word processors, data base > applications, and presentation programs. Not how to use MS Office. > If a student goes to work for a law firm, they will be using > WordPerfect. Yes, but this is a difficult concept for people who insist upon training with certain versions of certain products in order to produce "well educated" students. We're now beginning our 4th year of using K12LTSP & OpenOffice, but I almost didn't make it to the 2nd year because of the Microsoft Office issue. There were people who simply didn't like the different arrangement of menus and icons from Office 97 and those who thought that our students (we go up to 8th grade) would be at a disadvantage when they got to high school. I used two arguments to win these people over. The first was more money in their pockets due to the vast sums we were saving. The second was to show them how similar all of the "office" products have been for the last 20 something years and showed them a 1986 version of Microsoft Works on a Mac SE. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Mon Aug 22 14:11:39 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:11:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> < > <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4309DD1B.7030400@chartermi.net> Althrough it is still beta, I highly recommend looking at the OpenOffice 2.0beta. The changes of the interface really organize tasks well. I've been opening any type of Office 95/97/2000/XP/2003 document that I've been given without problems, and it just works. Hopefully, it'll be out of beta soon. Eric Feldhusen Doug Simpson wrote: > Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . > > It is free, and does just about everything M$Office does. . . > > openoffice.org > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Shane Stafford wrote: > > >>I have three new schools implementing K12 LTSP this fall. One of them >>really wants Microsoft Office available to the students. Researching >>WINE, it appears this can only be done with Codeweavers. It also looks >>like the Educational price for Network Server version is >> >>Server Software Module $486.50 >>25 Client licenses $1,120 >> >>I appears they would need to purchase both those. To me it seems at that >>rate they are almost close to buying another server and making it a 2003 >>windows terminal server. Of course that brings another set of complex and >>expensive license options. >> >>They own plenty of desktop copies of Office 2000. >> >>Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can shed some light on >>either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal Server licensing. >> >>My goal will be to educate them how easy it is to use Open Office and >>Microsoft Office (exists still in their business lab) but I want to be >>able to tell them their options. -- Eric Feldhusen REMC #1 Supportnet eric at remc1.org From william at fragakis.com Mon Aug 22 14:30:49 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:30:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] bump: way to prevent screen lock after 10 min as default? Message-ID: Any ideas? Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:29:21 -0400 From: William Fragakis Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp display lock default To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <6eca03f47d420c082ccc26cf4fb31fbd at fragakis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed vers 4.4.0 introduces something I haven't seen in earlier versions. When setting up a new user, the default option is for the screen to lock out (log off) after 10 min. Is there a way to "uncheck" this? Otherwise, with each new user, I have to uncheck that option. Searching/goggling didn't turn anything up so sorry if I'm asking a FAQ. thanks, William From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Aug 22 16:00:11 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:00:11 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] sound and /dev/dsp Message-ID: <6BBC391C-B93E-4951-968B-B2F94F744C88@telenet.be> Hi, I reinstalled my k12ltsp system and loaded the 4.2.1 version with all updates. But when I connect my clients and I don't log in with root, I do get a /dev/dsp permission denied error. Anyone having an idea how to solve this? And how can i get other pci sound cards being detected? I have several workstation where the sound card is not being detected at boot. Kevin From trond at mahlum.biz Mon Aug 22 16:23:29 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:23:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Usb drives + ltsp + nautilus trouble In-Reply-To: <1124489893.19384.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43062253.6090108@mahlum.biz> <1124489893.19384.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4309FC01.50700@mahlum.biz> This worked perfectly. No need to do the extra install. Thank you! Trond > Trond- > > I'm not sure if it made it into K12's packages, but we fixed this in > LTSP. The trick is a slightly modified version of smbd running on the > client and a dfree script used to report a fake available disk space to > Nautilus. > > Nautilus is the only one of konqueror, command line, etc, that checks > available disk space prior to copying, and with the current local > devices approach, the disk space needs to be fudged. > > In short, try this: > > 1. Add the following line to your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.localdev, at > the end of the [global] section: > > dfree command = /sbin/dfree > > 2. Then, create a file: /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/dfree > that looks like this: > > #!/bin/sh > TOTAL=524288 > AVAILABLE=$TOTAL > echo $TOTAL $AVAILABLE 4096 > > 3. chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/dfree > 4. reboot the terminal. > 5. log into server > 6. in a terminal window type: df -v > > If your drives directory has ~2GB available space, then the above worked > and so should transfering files to your pen drive. > > If not, then most likely you will need to install the patched version of > smbd for the terminal by: > > > 1. cd /opt/ltsp > 2. wget ftp://symbio-technologies.com/ltsp-samba-1.0-1-i386.tgz > **** beware: 15MB file **** > 3. tar xvfz > 4. reboot terminal > > > HTH, > > -Gadi > > > On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 20:17 +0200, Trond M??hlum wrote: > >>I'm running K12LTSP 4.4 and have integrated the localdevice scripts from >>ltsp.org's wiki into it. It's working. I use IceWM and Nautilus. My >>trouble is that when I mount a usb pen Nautilus reports free space as 0. >>I can make new folders, but no files. If I open Openoffice I can save >>directly to the pen with no trouble. >> >>If I start Konqueror I do no have this problem. In Konqueror I can drag >>files to the pen, copy and paste. And it works. But on our system, >>Konqueror is much slower when using IceWM than Nautilus. >> >>Anybody else seen this? >> >>Regards Trond Maehlum >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Aug 22 16:38:55 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:38:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP Message-ID: <1124728735.12214.8.camel@discovery.hhp> Shane, I use Crossover Office 4.2 to provide the following to my thin clients: Accelerated Reader Photoshop Elements Microsoft Office Shockwave Quicktime Media Player Internet Explorer (yes, for the online gradebook by Blackbaud). We did not go the Network server route. We use the professional installation (installed managed-multi user RPM) by root. You install the apps under root, and they are all available to the users. What is cool is that you can package up your installation into a new RPM (of course 500+ megs sometimes) and install it on another server... or what I do is build it on my system, and in the evening update the server's crossover installation with the new rpm (that has everything installed). Powerpoint redraw is a little laggy in 4.2 (could be because of X over network), but it sounds like some of that will be fixed for 5 (due in sept I think). What is nice too is Codeweavers only requires you to buy as many licenses as you would use concurrently. So as you can have less licenses than thin-clients as long as you are at or above how many people you expect to be on concurrently. Volume wise, it is about $50 per user. PDFs.. you can print to the KDE Print system via Word, and then choose PDF, and poof, you have a PDF! If anyone wants to know more, just drop me an e-mail. My life is settling back down now. Henry "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Monday, August 22, 2005 at 9:29 AM -0500 wrote: > > >Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . > > > > > >It is free, and does just about everything M$Office does. . . > > > > > >openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > > email message attachment > On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 09:48 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Open Office does more that Office. Writer can save docs out to a > > PDF. You will never see Word doing that. > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP > > From: Doug Simpson > > Date: Mon, August 22, 2005 8:29 am > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Uhhh. . . Just use OpenOffice. . . > > > > It is free, and does just about everything M$Office > > does. . . > > > > openoffice.org > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Shane Stafford wrote: > > > > > I have three new schools implementing K12 LTSP this fall. > > One of them > > > really wants Microsoft Office available to the students. > > Researching > > > WINE, it appears this can only be done with Codeweavers. > > It also looks > > > like the Educational price for Network Server version is > > > > > > Server Software Module $486.50 > > > 25 Client licenses $1,120 > > > > > > I appears they would need to purchase both those. To me > > it seems at that > > > rate they are almost close to buying another server and > > making it a 2003 > > > windows terminal server. Of course that brings another > > set of complex and > > > expensive license options. > > > > > > They own plenty of desktop copies of Office 2000. > > > > > > Anyone have a recommended implementation model? Or can > > shed some light on > > > either Codeweaver licensing or 2003 Windows Terminal > > Server licensing. > > > > > > My goal will be to educate them how easy it is to use Open > > Office and > > > Microsoft Office (exists still in their business lab) but > > I want to be > > > able to tell them their options. > > > > > > thanks > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > > > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > > > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > > > S & B Consulting > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn From bill.bardon at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:31:24 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:31:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Added a presentation on the wiki In-Reply-To: <4309D94C.8050508@maltzen.net> References: <5F1D83D0-59B9-437C-9E5A-208A1C32C5BF@netday.org.za> <1124289145.11719.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050817161045.6d7bce44@localhost.localdomain> <430481D2.6040807@maltzen.net> <20050818121033.3d2c8926@localhost.localdomain> <43067F2F.8010608@maltzen.net> <20050819205357.4fbbbf54@localhost.localdomain> <4309D94C.8050508@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050822123124.29720dd0@localhost.localdomain> On Monday, Aug 22 Petre Scheie wrote: > Not willing to give you a day or so ;-) I pulled down the OOo 2.0 beta > and was able to see your presentation just fine. And a good > presentation it is! Thanks. I'm still working out an issue with logging in to the wiki to edit the presentation info, which is why you haven't seen the other version yet. OOo v2.0 is very solid. I've been using it for the past month with no problems. The OOo team has done a great job. > On your last slide, it mentions a 'prototype CD' with some > cross-platofrm apps, installable from a web page. Is that your own CD > or something like the OpenCD? Petre, you keep spurring me on to greater heights! :-) I've uploaded the ISO image to my web site. You can download it here: http://www.computassist.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=41 It's similar to the OpenCD, but I've got my own list of applications. I would have used the OpenCD, which is a great tool with its own merits, but there were some apps that I installed in our lab that are not on the OpenCD, and I wanted students and parents to be able to get them just as easily. So I built my own. I guess I should list the apps, eh? OpenOffice.org v1.9.118 Mozilla Firefox v1.0.6 Sword Project Bible software v1.5.6 Dia v0.94 GIMP v2.2.8, with gtk+ and gimp-help Inkscape v0.42 N|VU v1.0 QCAD demo v2.0.49 StarLogo v2.1 Mozilla Thunderbird v1.0.6 -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 22 17:56:23 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:56:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] School starting username creation script for Webmin Message-ID: <430A11C7.6030808@paasda.org> This is a python script I wrote last year and modified today to make a file to upload via the webmin batch creation. Enjoy, and yes I'm available for questions via e-mail if there are any. python ltspname.py will get you going...will need a .txt file in /store directory with a list of student names, but you can edit the script to use whatever file you like.. The current setup is for the file to be like below: huckaby david smith john doe jane lee jet wayne bruce then it takes the first 4 chars of the lastname(1st column) and the first 2 chars of the firstname(2nd column), and creates the webmin string... *disclaimer: I'm not a programmer but this saves me hours every year, if there is a python guru out there who would like to make this prettier and more powerful feel free =) --Huck -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ltspname.py URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 20:31:39 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:31:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] bump: way to prevent screen lock after 10 min as default? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/22/05, William Fragakis wrote: > Any ideas? xscreensaver-demo -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 21:08:55 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:08:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] presentation In-Reply-To: <1A2BA86C.373F27E6.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <1A2BA86C.373F27E6.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: If you find this, Norbert, I've got a local city that would like to see it as well! Steve On 8/16/05, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone put together an LTSP presentation geared for municipalities with both application comparison and cost benefits that I could "borrow" > > thks > norbert > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From accessys at smart.net Mon Aug 22 21:12:07 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] presentation In-Reply-To: References: <1A2BA86C.373F27E6.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > If you find this, Norbert, I've got a local city that would like to > see it as well! as well I tried e-mailing privately but it bounced Bob > > Steve > > On 8/16/05, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone put together an LTSP presentation geared for municipalities with both application comparison and cost benefits that I could "borrow" > > > > thks > > norbert > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > > > Netscape. 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Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From gj.kramer at planet.nl Mon Aug 22 21:18:45 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:18:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <4309D252.8090300@maltzen.net> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> <4309CF9C.4020702@maltzen.net> <4309D252.8090300@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1124745525.30591.21.camel@server.kramg> Check out yumex. With K12LTSP 4.4 using the default gnome desktop it can be found at "Applications -> System Tools -> Yum Extender". Works a treat! - gustav On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:25 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Mike Heins wrote: > >> > >>> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): > >>> > >>>> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot > >>>>> of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple > >>>>> of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux > >>>>> knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad > >>>>> if you have an alternative. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I didn't mean to try and sound like I was talking from the top > >>> of a mountain, not at all. Though I have the years of experience, > >>> I recognize that not everyone does. > >>> > >>> I was just explaining why I think it is not configured into > >>> k12ltsp by default. > >>> > >> > >> You missed the main reason Webmin is not installed by default... > >> > >> The official Webmin packages copy the root password from /etc/passwd > >> (or /etc/shadow) when the package is installed. During the process > >> of installing the operating system, the root password is empty. > >> If Webmin is installed as part of the OS, it ends up with root > >> rights and no password. From a security perspective, the results > >> are non-optimal ;-) > >> > >> The two choices were to maintain a customized Webmin package that > >> works around this issue or to have an option to install Webmin > >> after the install was complete. Maintaining customized packages > >> can put a huge drag on K12LTSP development, thus the post-install > >> option was quite attractive. > >> > >> -Eric > >> > > And I must say the post-install option worked like a champ. Thanks for > > building that option, Eric. > > > > Petre > > > Does MESD maintain apt repositories? Going back to my original question, is there a > reason why Webmin can't be installed via Syanptic? Well, yes, the reason is that > Synaptic comes configured with the stock FC repositories. My real question is, if not > Synaptic, what do people use to give novices a grahpical tool for seeing what packages > are available and what packages they have installed, etc. (Perhaps Webmin is a bad > choice for an example because its security implications have forced the workaround that > Eric has created.) Is there a gui for yum? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Mon Aug 22 21:24:54 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:24:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new KDE text-to-speech system In-Reply-To: <43088BF6.9020702@earthlink.net> References: <43088BF6.9020702@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050822212454.GA27062@sonic.net> On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:13:10AM -0600, Rita Gibson wrote: > I am interested to hear more about this -- has anyone else used this > program? We have a few copies of Kurzweil but it has to be installed on > a windows machine and it is not very accessible for students, and has > been difficult to train teachers to utilize it. (text to speech for kids > with learning disabilities). Does this text-to-speech system install > with k12ltsp? I've admittely never set up a K12LTSP system, and am mostly an 'interested lurker' around here. :^) The default speech backend that KTTS uses is Festival, which is also Open Source. It can apparently uses others, but I don't recall which, and never looked into it further. The main purpose for KTTS is to help people with vision problems, but I can see it being set up for use by users who have difficulty speaking. Coem to think of it, I can imagine a script being set up (bash or Perl) which utilizes KDE's "KDialog" to display possible words and collate them into sentences, so a user could point-and-click (or hit number keys) to have the computer talk for them. (a la Steven Hawking's set-up, I guess?) Or, if it'd be difficult using shell or Perl scripts and Kdialog, a traditonal KDE app could be put together, or perhaps a Kommander-based application? Hrmm! I'm mostly mind-dumping. Sorry for not answering your _actual_ question. ;^) Good luck with RealPlayer and KTTS, if you get around to playing with it! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue Aug 23 00:09:03 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:09:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheapest PXE booting network cards Message-ID: <430A691F.6070701@physics.isu.edu> Hi there, What is the Cheapest PXE booting network card that works well with K12ltsp? We have a pile of old computers, and would like to use them as thin clients rather than throw them away. Budget and time are very short so I don't want to mess with Hard drives or etherboot floppies. Thanks, Ben Nickell From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 23 00:40:04 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Cheapest PXE booting network cards In-Reply-To: <430A691F.6070701@physics.isu.edu> References: <430A691F.6070701@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: Ben, We sell an rtl8139 based card with an Etherboot bootrom at DisklessWorkstations.Com for $19.95. These are complete, and every one of them has been tested to work with LTSP. Plus, it helps support the LTSP community. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Ben Nickell wrote: > Hi there, > > What is the Cheapest PXE booting network card that works well with K12ltsp? > We have a pile of old computers, and would like to use them as thin clients > rather than throw them away. Budget and time are very short so I don't want > to mess with Hard drives or etherboot floppies. > > Thanks, > Ben Nickell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bill.bardon at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 01:41:04 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:41:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheapest PXE booting network cards In-Reply-To: References: <430A691F.6070701@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20050822204104.03235461@localhost.localdomain> On Monday, Aug 22 Jim McQuillan wrote: > We sell an rtl8139 based card with an Etherboot bootrom at > DisklessWorkstations.Com for $19.95. These are complete, and every > one of them has been tested to work with LTSP. Plus, it helps support > the LTSP community. I can vouch for these cards - I just finished setting up a lab of 30 machines using them. No problems, every machine (about five different kinds of 3-5 year old hardware) worked on the first try. That is, when I actually had a good cable to the switch. ;-) -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 01:47:22 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's Squidguard on Ubuntu? Message-ID: <20050823014722.8961.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> I think I'd like to try Ubuntu as a proxy server / intranet web server. However, I LOVE Eric's squidGuard that's on the K12LTSP distro. Can I get the same functionality on an Ubuntu box? How do I make my Ubuntu box to update it's blacklists nightly like my Fedora boxes? How can I take Eric's RPM and rebuild it to work on Ubuntu? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Aug 23 02:50:02 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:50:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] presentation Message-ID: <784508D7.41515775.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Steve, Thanks if you have something please send it to my company address nbedoucha at xtlabs.org thks norbert Access Systems wrote: >On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> If you find this, Norbert, I've got a local city that would like to >> see it as well! > >as well I tried e-mailing privately but it bounced > >Bob > >> >> Steve >> > > On 8/16/05, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Has anyone put together an LTSP presentation geared for municipalities with both application comparison and cost benefits that I could "borrow" >> > >> > thks >> > norbert >> > >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >> > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register >> > >> > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >> > >> > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer >> > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. >> > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> >> > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right >*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# >THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be >privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 03:10:08 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] bump: way to prevent screen lock after 10 min as default? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, William Fragakis wrote: > Any ideas? > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:29:21 -0400 > From: William Fragakis > Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp display lock default > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <6eca03f47d420c082ccc26cf4fb31fbd at fragakis.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > vers 4.4.0 introduces something I haven't seen in earlier versions. > When setting up a new user, the default option is for the screen to > lock out (log off) after 10 min. Is there a way to "uncheck" this? > Otherwise, with each new user, I have to uncheck that option. > > Searching/goggling didn't turn anything up so sorry if I'm asking a FAQ. > > thanks, > William > I'm guessing that if you edit: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver and change the "*lock:" and "*lockVTs:" entries from: *lock: True *lockVTs: False to: *lock: False *lockVTs: True I have not tested this, but that appears to be the relevent change between the new version and the old. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 03:15:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: <1124745525.30591.21.camel@server.kramg> References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> <4309CF9C.4020702@maltzen.net> <4309D252.8090300@maltzen.net> <1124745525.30591.21.camel@server.kramg> Message-ID: To answer the other part of the question, webmin is *supposed* to be in the apt repository. I only have 4.4.0 boxes available to me right at this moment, but they all see webmin... $ apt-cache search webmin webmin - A web-based administration interface for Unix systems. Petre, what version of K12LTSP are you working with? -Eric On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > Check out yumex. With K12LTSP 4.4 using the default gnome desktop it > can be found at "Applications -> System Tools -> Yum Extender". Works a > treat! > > - gustav > > On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:25 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Mike Heins wrote: >>>> >>>>> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot >>>>>>> of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a couple >>>>>>> of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux >>>>>>> knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad >>>>>>> if you have an alternative. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I didn't mean to try and sound like I was talking from the top >>>>> of a mountain, not at all. Though I have the years of experience, >>>>> I recognize that not everyone does. >>>>> >>>>> I was just explaining why I think it is not configured into >>>>> k12ltsp by default. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You missed the main reason Webmin is not installed by default... >>>> >>>> The official Webmin packages copy the root password from /etc/passwd >>>> (or /etc/shadow) when the package is installed. During the process >>>> of installing the operating system, the root password is empty. >>>> If Webmin is installed as part of the OS, it ends up with root >>>> rights and no password. From a security perspective, the results >>>> are non-optimal ;-) >>>> >>>> The two choices were to maintain a customized Webmin package that >>>> works around this issue or to have an option to install Webmin >>>> after the install was complete. Maintaining customized packages >>>> can put a huge drag on K12LTSP development, thus the post-install >>>> option was quite attractive. >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>> And I must say the post-install option worked like a champ. Thanks for >>> building that option, Eric. >>> >>> Petre >>> >> Does MESD maintain apt repositories? Going back to my original question, is there a >> reason why Webmin can't be installed via Syanptic? Well, yes, the reason is that >> Synaptic comes configured with the stock FC repositories. My real question is, if not >> Synaptic, what do people use to give novices a grahpical tool for seeing what packages >> are available and what packages they have installed, etc. (Perhaps Webmin is a bad >> choice for an example because its security implications have forced the workaround that >> Eric has created.) Is there a gui for yum? >> >> Petre >> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 04:22:30 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's Squidguard on Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <20050823014722.8961.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050823014722.8961.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, richard ingalls wrote: > I think I'd like to try Ubuntu as a proxy server / > intranet web server. However, I LOVE Eric's > squidGuard that's on the K12LTSP distro. Can I get > the same functionality on an Ubuntu box? How do I > make my Ubuntu box to update it's blacklists nightly > like my Fedora boxes? How can I take Eric's RPM and > rebuild it to work on Ubuntu? > > Thanks. The auto-update part is just a cron job & a shell script. It would be easy just to copy those over to another server: /etc/cron.daily/squidGuard /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists You may need to adjust the paths in the update_squidguard_blacklists to match the locations in the Ubuntu package. The only other thing that may be different is the "Google SafeSearch" hack. As far as I know that patch is unique to K12LTSP. I documented that when I was at Ubuntu DownUnder, so it is possible that they may add it to their next release... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 04:30:26 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] TESA client In-Reply-To: References: <20050818160051.6037273C4A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hey Michael, The TESA setup I posted at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/tesa/ has not changed in a long, long time. It is the same skin that has worked since Mozilla 1.0. It may be that the new version of Mozilla does not work quite right with TESA. Can see if you can repeat the problem by logging into a regular GNOME or KDE session and logging into TESA with plain-old- mozilla? I also need to look into hacking the Vantage's "secure browser" to support multi-user. I did a bit of work on this last year, but have not touched it all summer. My memory is rusty on the details there. I believe Parkrose has been using a modified Vantage "secure browser" that supports multi-user terminal server scenarios. Dan, you are still reading the list? If so, can you pitch in? -Eric On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Michael Picone wrote: > First, this is my first thread here so please excuse me if I did anything wrong in my posting it. > > Anyway, I just thought I'd see if some of you have the same problem I am having. I have installed the TESA "fake" session via the script Eric Harrison created. And it installed fine. When I have a user log into the client, it opens TESA just fine > also. The issue is when you try and do a "Sample Test", the drop down javascript menus to select the grade, subject, etc. only drop down for a split second and then go back up. They will not allow you to make a selection even if you log in to the > server locally. Javascript is enabled on Mozilla. Is there another browser issue I might have? Anyone else have this problem? Also, we had an older install (Dec. 2004) on a server that had the client version displayed as "Vanguard/Linux 0.1.57" and > it does not have this issue. The client that Eric's script installs now does not display the version in the right hand corner anymore and has a black bar on the top part of the window as well as variant of tux on the left hand side. I emailed Eric > about this and got no response. I guess installing the older verison should work but I cannot seem to locate a link to that script as the only one posted on the MESD's site seems to be the newer one. > > Thanks, > > Mike Picone > > Linux Support Technician > Computer/Network Technician > Gresham-Barlow School District > Microsoft Certified Professional > > Linux Registered User #376887 > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Aug 23 06:54:34 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:54:34 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] A bit OT: User Authentication with Apache In-Reply-To: <4309CBEF.6040606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <43077D93.4060808@honeygroveisd.net> <4308AA25.7050601@maltzen.net> <4309CBEF.6040606@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050823165434.w5bkwyxycq5cc0kw@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> I'd also be very interested in the .htaccess file too please - could you post it to the list or send it directly? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au Quoting Brian Chivers : > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Check out the mod_auth_ldap module for Apache. It's not too >> difficult to get working if you're familiar with Apache's httpd.conf >> file. >> Petre >> >> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> >>> Hello all, Now that I've got my Windows NT domain converted to >>> Samba/LDAP I'd like to get rid of my IIS server in favor of Apache. >>> The one hitch is that I've got a couple of PHP and Perl scripts >>> that need to be protected from the casual browser. In the past >>> I've linked the security in IIS to the NT Domain credentials. The >>> user simply had to enter whatever their current domain logon and >>> password is (it changes every two months) and the get access to the >>> file. How can I replicate this with Apache and LDAP? Any ideas? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > I use the mod_auth_ldap so only staff can login. I can mail you the > .htaccess file if you like. > > Brian Chivers > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Aug 23 07:13:27 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:13:27 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] frequent crashes how to debug Message-ID: <20050823071325.POUX5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> I have frequent crashes using K12LTSP 4.2 When the server crashes two lights on the keyboard flash and the server does nothing else. I have to manually turn off the server (ie hold on of button for 5 secs) then turn it on again. Where can I look to try to find out what is going wrong? Is there a log file I can look at? I am using an AMD 2500XP cpu, 2 GB RAM @333, SATA 120 HD on Microstar MS-KT6 Delta motherboard with GLAN. I am running up to 11 LTSP clients and 3 windows machines that authenticate to K12ltsp and have home directories there. We use firefox, Gcompris, Tuxpaint, open office, cross over office and Scribus in roughly that order of use. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 10:07:50 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's Squidguard on Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050823100750.96990.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> and don't forget in general that the package "alien" will convert RPM's to debian packages. See http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ -Rob --- Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, richard ingalls wrote: > > > I think I'd like to try Ubuntu as a proxy server / > > intranet web server. However, I LOVE Eric's > > squidGuard that's on the K12LTSP distro. Can I > get > > the same functionality on an Ubuntu box? How do I > > make my Ubuntu box to update it's blacklists > nightly > > like my Fedora boxes? How can I take Eric's RPM > and > > rebuild it to work on Ubuntu? > > > > Thanks. > > The auto-update part is just a cron job & a shell > script. It would be > easy just to copy those over to another server: > > /etc/cron.daily/squidGuard > /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > > You may need to adjust the paths in the > update_squidguard_blacklists > to match the locations in the Ubuntu package. > > The only other thing that may be different is the > "Google SafeSearch" > hack. As far as I know that patch is unique to > K12LTSP. I documented > that when I was at Ubuntu DownUnder, so it is > possible that they may > add it to their next release... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 10:12:58 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp on ubuntu -- is it MueKow? Message-ID: <20050823101258.61248.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I haven't found anything that clearly states how ltsp will be "integrated" into Ubuntu. Is it ltsp the old-fashioned way (but packaged), or is it the first implementation of the MueKow design philosophy? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sergio at turbocorp.com Tue Aug 23 10:13:12 2005 From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:13:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] frequent crashes how to debug In-Reply-To: <20050823071325.POUX5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20050823071325.POUX5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <200508230613.12632.sergio@turbocorp.com> We had a similar problem here and ended up being a bad motherboard (thank goodness for warranty :o) ). Anyway, a few things that might help if you are like us and do not have the latest and greatest gadgets to test your system :o( : First, you may want to check if the crashes happen everytime a "certain" process (online backup?) or program runs/is started Run the command dmesg, it will display a "sort of" summary of your log file, after the system has restarted and check for things failing to load, conflicts, etc. Boot your system with a "live" CD (Knoppix, etc) right after the crash - some systems are set to start a new log at every reboot - and mount the /var partition to look for kernel panic/memory error messages in the log/messages file. Boot the system with a system cd that has the memtest program (SuSe has it) and test your RAM (long process). You can also download it here http://www.memtest86.com/ . For testing your processor and motherboard, you may want to put a heavy load on it. For example: here we compile Gcc and Qt at the same time and watch for swap usage, processor load, etc. Good luck Sergio On Tue August 23 2005 03:13, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have frequent crashes using K12LTSP 4.2 > > When the server crashes two lights on the keyboard flash and the server > does nothing else. I have to manually turn off the server (ie hold on of > button for 5 secs) then turn it on again. Where can I look to try to find > out what is going wrong? Is there a log file I can look at? > > > > I am using an AMD 2500XP cpu, 2 GB RAM @333, SATA 120 HD on Microstar > MS-KT6 Delta motherboard with GLAN. > > I am running up to 11 LTSP clients and 3 windows machines that authenticate > to K12ltsp and have home directories there. > > > > We use firefox, Gcompris, Tuxpaint, open office, cross over office and > Scribus in roughly that order of use. . . . . v Sergio Chaves v /(_)\ www.turbocorp.com /(_)\ ^ ^ Enhanced Solutions Computing ^ ^ Main 770.532.2239 Fax 770.531.7878 Linux User #221305 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 23 12:57:16 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:57:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] synaptic and K12LSTP repositories In-Reply-To: References: <4308ABE1.2010005@maltzen.net> <1124644515.32280.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4308BA25.6030209@maltzen.net> <1124647963.32280.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821182211.GA2376@bill.heins.net> <1124655877.32280.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050821231532.GA5491@bill.heins.net> <4309CF9C.4020702@maltzen.net> <4309D252.8090300@maltzen.net> <1124745525.30591.21.camel@server.kramg> Message-ID: <430B1D2C.2090008@maltzen.net> 4.2.1 Eric Harrison wrote: > > To answer the other part of the question, webmin is *supposed* to > be in the apt repository. I only have 4.4.0 boxes available to me > right at this moment, but they all see webmin... > > $ apt-cache search webmin > webmin - A web-based administration interface for Unix systems. > > Petre, what version of K12LTSP are you working with? > > -Eric > > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > >> Check out yumex. With K12LTSP 4.4 using the default gnome desktop it >> can be found at "Applications -> System Tools -> Yum Extender". Works a >> treat! >> >> - gustav >> >> On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:25 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> >>> Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005, Mike Heins wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com): >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:22, Mike Heins wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In practice, webmin seems to be pretty secure and there are a lot >>>>>>>> of people using it successfully. I will admit to placing it a >>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>> of places where the system administrators don't have strong Linux >>>>>>>> knowledge. But I don't think it is the right way to run a railroad >>>>>>>> if you have an alternative. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, 'the alternative' is years of experience... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't mean to try and sound like I was talking from the top >>>>>> of a mountain, not at all. Though I have the years of experience, >>>>>> I recognize that not everyone does. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was just explaining why I think it is not configured into >>>>>> k12ltsp by default. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You missed the main reason Webmin is not installed by default... >>>>> >>>>> The official Webmin packages copy the root password from /etc/passwd >>>>> (or /etc/shadow) when the package is installed. During the process >>>>> of installing the operating system, the root password is empty. >>>>> If Webmin is installed as part of the OS, it ends up with root >>>>> rights and no password. From a security perspective, the results >>>>> are non-optimal ;-) >>>>> >>>>> The two choices were to maintain a customized Webmin package that >>>>> works around this issue or to have an option to install Webmin >>>>> after the install was complete. Maintaining customized packages >>>>> can put a huge drag on K12LTSP development, thus the post-install >>>>> option was quite attractive. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> >>>> And I must say the post-install option worked like a champ. Thanks for >>>> building that option, Eric. >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>> Does MESD maintain apt repositories? Going back to my original >>> question, is there a >>> reason why Webmin can't be installed via Syanptic? Well, yes, the >>> reason is that >>> Synaptic comes configured with the stock FC repositories. My real >>> question is, if not >>> Synaptic, what do people use to give novices a grahpical tool for >>> seeing what packages >>> are available and what packages they have installed, etc. (Perhaps >>> Webmin is a bad >>> choice for an example because its security implications have forced >>> the workaround that >>> Eric has created.) Is there a gui for yum? >>> >>> Petre >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 23 13:19:10 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp on ubuntu -- is it MueKow? In-Reply-To: <20050823101258.61248.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050823101258.61248.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, Yes, it's MueKow. Read about it here: o 4th paragraph on http://wiki.ltsp.org o http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientRoadmap o http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I haven't found anything that clearly states how ltsp > will be "integrated" into Ubuntu. Is it ltsp the > old-fashioned way (but packaged), or is it the first > implementation of the MueKow design philosophy? > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Tue Aug 23 13:23:58 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] frequent crashes how to debug In-Reply-To: <20050823071325.POUX5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20050823071325.POUX5449.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have frequent crashes using K12LTSP 4.2 > > When the server crashes two lights on the keyboard flash and the server does > nothing else. I have to manually turn off the server (ie hold on of button > for 5 secs) then turn it on again. Where can I look to try to find out what > is going wrong? Is there a log file I can look at? I'm having an almost identical problem using RH 9 ??? 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 15:08:02 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... Message-ID: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I LOVE the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! Most people in the US (especially schools) already have a DSL or faster connection. (Schools in the US can get very fast internet connections for a very reasonable price due to government money earmarked for this purpose). So, downloading the additional packages from Ubuntu and other public mirrors strategically located across the globe should be no problem. As for other nations... I can't say; I don't know. I am excited about the upcoming edubuntu release in October! Can't wait to see how it works. Until then, I'm going to try ver. 5.04. I just need server applications mostly. BUT, I want to impress my fellow network administrator colleagues (who are all WINDOWS geeks). I think Ubuntu will do the trick. As far as education goes, I'm thinking that you could put all the "K12LTSP" related packages on a 2nd CD and maybe keep the downloads on only TWO CDs! (Instead of Fedora's FIVE CDs!). That would be great too. Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). In my opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora (if it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, squidguard JUST WORKS! I love it! 8th grade boys hate it! Ha ha! In Fedora I just add the proper repository for yum and I can install dansguardian. It just works! These are the two KILLER APPS for me in FC3. I pray they'll work as well in Ubuntu. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 23 15:48:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:48:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 10:08, richard ingalls wrote: > I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I LOVE > the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! You do know that you really only have to burn the first CD or make a USB boot image for k12ltsp (fedora/RH/centos) don't you? If you download the iso images to an NFS exported directory all you have to do is boot the first CD with 'linux askmethod', pick NFS as the install method, and point it to your NFS location. > Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to > work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). In my > opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora (if > it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, squidguard > JUST WORKS! I love it! If someone is looking for a project, something that would be a real killer combination would be to make the new SME server (based on Centos4) work alongside k12ltsp for network server functions (squid/email/web/ftp, etc) and to provide home directories because it is so easy to install and manage. The tricky part would be getting everything to use the same network authentication method. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 16:25:53 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050823162554.93742.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is the edubuntu project being worked on. I think it's basically supposed to be K12LTSP on Ubuntu. I'm not sure if they will be including Dansguardian and Squidguard in a fashion that is as easy as it currently is in K12LTSP, but I'm sure it will be available to you. -Rob --- richard ingalls wrote: > I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I LOVE > the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! > Most > people in the US (especially schools) already have a > DSL or faster connection. (Schools in the US can > get > very fast internet connections for a very reasonable > price due to government money earmarked for this > purpose). So, downloading the additional packages > from Ubuntu and other public mirrors strategically > located across the globe should be no problem. As > for > other nations... I can't say; I don't know. > > I am excited about the upcoming edubuntu release in > October! Can't wait to see how it works. Until > then, > I'm going to try ver. 5.04. I just need server > applications mostly. BUT, I want to impress my > fellow > network administrator colleagues (who are all > WINDOWS > geeks). I think Ubuntu will do the trick. > > As far as education goes, I'm thinking that you > could > put all the "K12LTSP" related packages on a 2nd CD > and > maybe keep the downloads on only TWO CDs! (Instead > of > Fedora's FIVE CDs!). That would be great too. > > Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to > work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). In > my > opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora > (if > it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, > squidguard > JUST WORKS! I love it! 8th grade boys hate it! Ha > ha! In Fedora I just add the proper repository for > yum and I can install dansguardian. It just works! > These are the two KILLER APPS for me in FC3. I pray > they'll work as well in Ubuntu. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 16:30:40 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:30:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/23/05, richard ingalls wrote: > Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to > work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). In my > opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora (if > it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, squidguard > JUST WORKS! I love it! 8th grade boys hate it! Ha > ha! In Fedora I just add the proper repository for > yum and I can install dansguardian. It just works! > These are the two KILLER APPS for me in FC3. I pray > they'll work as well in Ubuntu. Richard: I'm assuming you are installing these on a separate machine than your K12 server, right? A really *simple* how-to on this would be great for the community, as many struggle with this filtering issue. If you want to call me, I'd be glad to type while you talk and we can create it together. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 16:39:31 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp on ubuntu -- is it MueKow? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050823163931.98310.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Jim. Could somebody give me an opinion as to the buginess of Breezy's Colony 3? I've decided to install Ubuntu on my parents' computer and I need to decide whether to use Hoary Hedgehog and install LTSP the old way, or if I should jump right to Breezy's Colony 3 which includes LTSP. Sorry for drifting even farther off topic with this question. By the way, my dad loves LTSP. He really gets a kick out of paying his bills online using a computer that was "unusable" 4 years ago. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > Yes, it's MueKow. Read about it here: > > o 4th paragraph on http://wiki.ltsp.org > > o http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > > o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto > > o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration > > o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientRoadmap > > o > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I haven't found anything that clearly states how > ltsp > > will be "integrated" into Ubuntu. Is it ltsp the > > old-fashioned way (but packaged), or is it the > first > > implementation of the MueKow design philosophy? > > > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edward at netday.org.za Tue Aug 23 16:42:55 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:42:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 23 Aug 2005, at 5:08 PM, richard ingalls wrote: > I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I LOVE > the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! Most > people in the US (especially schools) already have a > DSL or faster connection. (Schools in the US can get > very fast internet connections for a very reasonable > price due to government money earmarked for this > purpose). So, downloading the additional packages > from Ubuntu and other public mirrors strategically > located across the globe should be no problem. As for > other nations... I can't say; I don't know. > In South Africa the idea of just one CD makes it somewhat less useful than it could be for schools here (A little ironic considering Ubuntu has been created by a South African). I like that K2LTSP ships with everything and the kitchen sink (although of course you use just disc 1 if you want to). The sites where I deploy labs in rural South Africa have no Internet at all, not to mention broadband which only exists in selected urban areas, so the approach of downloading the extra stuff doesn't work. The multi-disc approach of K12LTSP addresses this and all I need to do is mail the latest set of discs to sites that I have set up so that they can upgrade. ed From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 23 16:49:56 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:49:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings Message-ID: <430B53B4.9020807@paasda.org> After creating users yesterday, they are able to login to the K12LTSP server, but on the windows machines they are unable to. I used the webmin batch creator, and DID have the 'Create, modify or delete users in other modules?' set to YES. this is the error msg when I tail -f /var/log/messages Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] lib/util_sock.c:write_socket_data(430) Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket_data: write failure. Error = Connection reset by peer Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] lib/util_sock.c:write_socket(455) Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket: Error writing 4 bytes to socket 5: ERRNO = Connection reset by peer Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(647) Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: Error writing 4 bytes to client. -1. (Connection reset by peer) any ideas? --Huck From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 23 16:48:29 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp on ubuntu -- is it MueKow? In-Reply-To: <20050823163931.98310.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050823163931.98310.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, The Breezy Colony 3 release is very Alpha at this point. I wouldn't put it on anything besides a test machine. It's still about 6 or 7 weeks away from release, and at the pace those Ubuntu guys move, there's likely to be alot of work still going into it. If you want a good solid distro to put LTSP on, i'd go for the Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog release. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > Thanks Jim. > > Could somebody give me an opinion as to the buginess > of Breezy's Colony 3? I've decided to install Ubuntu > on my parents' computer and I need to decide whether > to use Hoary Hedgehog and install LTSP the old way, or > if I should jump right to Breezy's Colony 3 which > includes LTSP. > > Sorry for drifting even farther off topic with this > question. > > By the way, my dad loves LTSP. He really gets a kick > out of paying his bills online using a computer that > was "unusable" 4 years ago. > > -Rob > > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > Yes, it's MueKow. Read about it here: > > > > o 4th paragraph on http://wiki.ltsp.org > > > > o http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > > > > o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto > > > > o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration > > > > o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientRoadmap > > > > o > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > I haven't found anything that clearly states how > > ltsp > > > will be "integrated" into Ubuntu. Is it ltsp the > > > old-fashioned way (but packaged), or is it the > > first > > > implementation of the MueKow design philosophy? > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bill.bardon at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 16:55:11 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:55:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp on ubuntu -- is it MueKow? In-Reply-To: <20050823163931.98310.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050823163931.98310.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050823115511.41168e72@localhost.localdomain> On Tuesday, Aug 23 Rob Owens wrote: > Could somebody give me an opinion as to the buginess > of Breezy's Colony 3? I've decided to install Ubuntu > on my parents' computer and I need to decide whether > to use Hoary Hedgehog and install LTSP the old way, or > if I should jump right to Breezy's Colony 3 which > includes LTSP. I installed Breezy about two weeks ago. At that point it was NOT ready for general use. Reinstalled Hoary over it after trying to live with Breezy for half a day. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Aug 23 16:55:57 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:55:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings Message-ID: <20050823095557.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7d6f0170fc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Aug 23 16:57:29 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:57:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings Message-ID: <20050823095729.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6c29600022.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Aug 23 17:00:23 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:00:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings Message-ID: <20050823100023.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a56c46f569.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 23 17:07:11 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:07:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings In-Reply-To: <20050823095557.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7d6f0170fc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050823095557.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7d6f0170fc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <430B57BF.80103@paasda.org> Yes they can login via thin clients, yes the machine accounts are created, I didn't edit any registry settings manually (never had to before)... And if I manually modify the user's passwd via the webmin module on a PER user basis instead of via the batch, they can login fine. But that's 230 users =) My old accts still login just fine and all machines joined to domain and tested with MY account from last year... I created a test acct this morning when it was reported to me, and can login via thin client but not via the XP machines. /etc/samba/smbpasswd shows the following which seems odd: cslab17$:521:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:CA7CD029AA87726448C49D1A01F00861:[W ]:LCT-4308DA55: kpetersen:787:0C10B6455D8AA70A2105B18654FE47C2:95B870FBC31E8E97E1637C13343E8329:[U ]:LCT-424B24FB: yamaza:797:E52CAC67419A9A224A3B108F3FA6CB6D:8846F7EAEE8FB117AD06BDD830B7586C:[U ]:LCT-42FA655A: install:798:BEA881BCA684D27CB75E0C8D76954A50:83B342DABFE6096D1E579FEC082759C5:[U ]:LCT-42FBA040: aguich:527:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:[U ]:LCT-430A0C38: andesa:528:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:[DU ]:LCT-430A0C3A: ashlkr:529:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:[U ]:LCT-430A0C3B: starting at aguich...those X's...??? above that are the accounts that work and one of the XP machine accts. --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > When you say that the users can login to the server, do you mean on a > thin client? Has your windows machines joined the domain? (created > machine accounts) Did you make the registery changes on the windows > machines?? > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > From robark at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 17:09:44 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:09:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 8/23/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > If someone is looking for a project, something that would > be a real killer combination would be to make the new SME > server (based on Centos4) work alongside k12ltsp for network > server functions (squid/email/web/ftp, etc) and to provide > home directories because it is so easy to install and manage. > The tricky part would be getting everything to use the > same network authentication method. I agree. I found this quote "A central file server enabling seamless information exchange among Windows, Macintosh and Unix machines." on this page http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php/Features%20and%20Benefits Looks nice. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 23 17:19:52 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:19:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings In-Reply-To: <20050823100023.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a56c46f569.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050823100023.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a56c46f569.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <430B5AB8.9000208@paasda.org> Unfortunately no more help... first entry...it starts... all consecutives are the errors from the attempts to login via the XP clients. [2005/08/23 09:41:14, 0] smbd/server.c:main(760) smbd version 3.0.10-1.fc2 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2004 [2005/08/23 09:43:00, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected [2005/08/23 09:44:10, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected [2005/08/23 09:47:49, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected [2005/08/23 09:48:39, 0] lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > The log file is located in /var/log/samba/ . There will be one for > each machine logging on to the domain and one for smbd and nmbd. > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 23 17:24:48 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:24:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development In-Reply-To: <20050823100023.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a56c46f569.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050823100023.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a56c46f569.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <430B5BE0.4040707@paasda.org> Okay, on a hunch I figured the batch had not created the 'smbpasswd' properly...so I did it manual '/etc/samba/smbpasswd david'...which allowed me to set it manually... Is there a way to set all student passwds to their usernames via a script? --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > The log file is located in /var/log/samba/ . There will be one for > each machine logging on to the domain and one for smbd and nmbd. > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings > From: Huck > Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 11:49 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > After creating users yesterday, they are able to login to the K12LTSP > server, but on the windows machines they are unable to. > > I used the webmin batch creator, and DID have the 'Create, modify or > delete users in other modules?' set to YES. > > this is the error msg when I tail -f /var/log/messages > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > Transport endpoint is not connected > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > Transport endpoint is not connected > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket_data(430) > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket_data: write failure. > Error = Connection reset by peer > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket(455) > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket: Error writing 4 > bytes to > socket 5: ERRNO = Connection reset by peer > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(647) > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: Error writing 4 bytes to client. -1. > (Connection reset by peer) > > > any ideas? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Aug 23 17:35:26 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:35:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development Message-ID: <20050823103526.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.efb135f585.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 23 17:45:16 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:45:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development In-Reply-To: <20050823103526.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.efb135f585.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050823103526.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.efb135f585.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <430B60AC.2030300@paasda.org> yeah that's what I did =) they are all there...just the smbpasswd didn't get set properly by the webmin module...will attempt a 'modify' and see if I can get it to work =) --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I have always used the add user batch script from webmin. I export my > student list from STI (school app) open it in a spreadsheet, add all of > the other information (ie home directory, passwords, etc.) save it out > as a text file with the spaces removed and then run the script. I will > usually create a file with just one entry to make sure that I have > enough semi-colons in the line. Do a test and then add all of the other > records to the file. > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development > From: Huck > Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 12:24 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Okay, on a hunch I figured the batch had not created the 'smbpasswd' > properly...so I did it manual '/etc/samba/smbpasswd david'...which > allowed me to set it manually... > > Is there a way to set all student passwds to their usernames via a > script? > > --Huck > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > The log file is located in /var/log/samba/ . There will be one for > > each machine logging on to the domain and one for smbd and nmbd. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings > > From: Huck > > Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 11:49 am > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > After creating users yesterday, they are able to login to the > K12LTSP > > server, but on the windows machines they are unable to. > > > > I used the webmin batch creator, and DID have the 'Create, > modify or > > delete users in other modules?' set to YES. > > > > this is the error msg when I tail -f /var/log/messages > > > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > > Transport endpoint is not connected > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > > Transport endpoint is not connected > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket_data(430) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket_data: write > failure. > > Error = Connection reset by peer > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket(455) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket: Error writing 4 > > bytes to > > socket 5: ERRNO = Connection reset by peer > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(647) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: Error writing 4 bytes to > client. -1. > > (Connection reset by peer) > > > > > > any ideas? > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 23 18:04:48 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:04:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development In-Reply-To: <20050823103526.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.efb135f585.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050823103526.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.efb135f585.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <430B6540.2000401@paasda.org> I re-created all users with my script and batch proccess with webmin... this time I did NOT check 'yes' on : "Only update users file when batch is complete?"...and everything went cheasy peasy =) Thanks for the help R.M.! --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I have always used the add user batch script from webmin. I export my > student list from STI (school app) open it in a spreadsheet, add all of > the other information (ie home directory, passwords, etc.) save it out > as a text file with the spaces removed and then run the script. I will > usually create a file with just one entry to make sure that I have > enough semi-colons in the line. Do a test and then add all of the other > records to the file. > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development > From: Huck > Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 12:24 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Okay, on a hunch I figured the batch had not created the 'smbpasswd' > properly...so I did it manual '/etc/samba/smbpasswd david'...which > allowed me to set it manually... > > Is there a way to set all student passwds to their usernames via a > script? > > --Huck > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > The log file is located in /var/log/samba/ . There will be one for > > each machine logging on to the domain and one for smbd and nmbd. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings > > From: Huck > > Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 11:49 am > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > After creating users yesterday, they are able to login to the > K12LTSP > > server, but on the windows machines they are unable to. > > > > I used the webmin batch creator, and DID have the 'Create, > modify or > > delete users in other modules?' set to YES. > > > > this is the error msg when I tail -f /var/log/messages > > > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > > Transport endpoint is not connected > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > > Transport endpoint is not connected > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket_data(430) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket_data: write > failure. > > Error = Connection reset by peer > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket(455) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket: Error writing 4 > > bytes to > > socket 5: ERRNO = Connection reset by peer > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(647) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: Error writing 4 bytes to > client. -1. > > (Connection reset by peer) > > > > > > any ideas? > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 23 18:09:42 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:09:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] text file search and replace tool from the commandline Message-ID: <430B6666.8060201@paasda.org> found this today...nifty tool http://www.laffeycomputer.com/rpl.html an SAR tool(search and replace) simple to use and a command I most missed..this is called 'rpl' --Huck From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 23 18:25:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:25:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1124821522.6040.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 12:09, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > If someone is looking for a project, something that would > > be a real killer combination would be to make the new SME > > server (based on Centos4) work alongside k12ltsp for network > > server functions (squid/email/web/ftp, etc) and to provide > > home directories because it is so easy to install and manage. > > The tricky part would be getting everything to use the > > same network authentication method. > > I agree. I found this quote > > "A central file server enabling seamless information exchange among > Windows, Macintosh and Unix machines." > > on this page > > http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php/Features%20and%20Benefits > > Looks nice. The problem is that it installs as sort of a self-contained appliance and doesn't integrate that well with other servers in terms of DNS or network user authentication. But, the new version is mostly the same underneath as the centos4 based k12ltsp so it should be a matter of tweaking the perl script/template-driven config management a little (or maybe a lot...). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Tue Aug 23 18:38:57 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:38:57 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling Message-ID: <430B6D41.3060900@hosef.org> I sure have found myself stumped over something recently. We set up a lab and used one of the TrendNet switches we like. It has 24 10/100 ports and two gigabit ports. When the server is uplinked to the switch through the gig port, the clients hang at Doing the Pivot Root. When the server is linked to a 10/100 port, the clients boot just fine. This is consistent between two of the same model switches. I have not tried another onboard nic. I'd like to blame this on hardware, but What is Pivot Root and how can this step be manifesting itself so strangely in my switches? --scott From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Aug 23 18:49:47 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:49:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] text file search and replace tool from the commandline Message-ID: <20050823114947.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a7643223d8.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jh at clongowes.net Tue Aug 23 19:09:58 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:09:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Running ldap as root or ldap In-Reply-To: <20050823125746.244A8737FB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050823125746.244A8737FB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1124824198.22257.18.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> os = k12ltsp 4.4 I'm having a problem with ldap/samba where slapd is stopping at night. if I run "service ldap start" or "service ldap restart" it claims to have started but is in fact stopped. If I reboot the computer it will hang trying to start slapd. When this first happened I ran linux rescue and ran slapd_db_recover as I thought the database might be corrupted. It ran fine and the computer rebooted though slapd was stopped when I logged in. If I run slapd, when logged in as root, it starts no problem and will be fine all day. I turned on logging to see if anything showed up and I got the following which seems to suggest that it is a permissions thing. This is the output when "service ldap start" or "service ldap restart" is used. Aug 23 19:46:31 server-01 slapd[22388]: bdb_back_initialize: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.3.27: (December 22, 2004) Aug 23 19:46:31 server-01 slapd[22388]: bdb_db_init: Initializing BDB database Aug 23 19:46:31 server-01 slapd[22389]: bdb_db_open: dbenv_open failed: Permission denied (13) Aug 23 19:46:31 server-01 slapd[22389]: backend_startup: bi_db_open failed! (13) Aug 23 19:46:31 server-01 slapd[22389]: bdb(dc=cwc,dc=edu): DB_ENV->lock_id_free interface requires an environment configured for the locking subsystem The owner and group on the __db.00* files are both root. The owner and group on the other files in /var/lib/ldap are ldap. I googled around and found suggestions that the problem might be who is running the service root or ldap. I presume that running the service as root is not desirable but I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm also wondering why it is stopping at night. I hoping the logs might shed some light on this tomorrow. Anyone got any suggestions? Thanks jh From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 20:04:38 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:04:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running ldap as root or ldap In-Reply-To: <1124824198.22257.18.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> References: <20050823125746.244A8737FB@hormel.redhat.com> <1124824198.22257.18.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> Message-ID: <430B8156.70007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John Hegarty wrote: > os = k12ltsp 4.4 > > I'm having a problem with ldap/samba where slapd is stopping at night. > if I run "service ldap start" or "service ldap restart" it claims to > have started but is in fact stopped. It should run as ldap. Since you have run it as root, the ownership of some of the database files are wrong. > The owner and group on the __db.00* files are both root. The owner and > group on the other files in /var/lib/ldap are ldap. Run this and you should be back in business: /sbin/service ldap stop chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap /sbin/service ldap start -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From Michael_Picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 20:16:19 2005 From: Michael_Picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Michael Picone) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:16:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Ubuntu is a good distro, IMO. It is easy to install (no GUI installer though, I don't know your experience level. If you are not used to text installs it can take some time to get used to at first). Ubuntu is based off of Debian (which is my fav distro at the moment along with Slackware) and has "apt-get" as well as a cool GUI package front end for apt called "Synaptic". Apt is much better than "yum" but still hasn't quite reached the level of Gentoo's "emerge" yet, IMHO. If you are used to Fedora then you will love Ubuntu save maybe the default GUI is a little more raw and not as developed. But anyway, it is great to hear someone is taking the time to develop Ubuntu into a "K12" type project for those of us who aren't big fans of Fedora or Red Hat. Now if we could only get someone with the time to build an ed version of SuSE..... Mike Picone Linux Support Technician Computer/Network Technician Gresham-Barlow School District Microsoft Certified Professional Linux Registered User #376887 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 23 20:13:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:13:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] text file search and replace tool from the commandline In-Reply-To: <20050823114947.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a7643223d8.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050823114947.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a7643223d8.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1124827989.6040.61.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 13:49, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > That sounds alot easier than "find and replace" in notepad. I am glad > that you figured out your samba problem. For a single file, use :%s/find/replace/g in vi, or sed -e 's/find/replace/g' outfile on the command line. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dean at mumby.co.za Tue Aug 23 21:11:07 2005 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:11:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <430B90EB.3080108@mumby.co.za> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 10:08, richard ingalls wrote: > > >>I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I LOVE >>the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! >> >> > >You do know that you really only have to burn the first >CD or make a USB boot image for k12ltsp (fedora/RH/centos) >don't you? If you download the iso images to an >NFS exported directory all you have to do is boot the >first CD with 'linux askmethod', pick NFS as the install >method, and point it to your NFS location. > > > >>Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to >>work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). In my >>opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora (if >>it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, squidguard >>JUST WORKS! I love it! >> >> > >If someone is looking for a project, something that would >be a real killer combination would be to make the new SME >server (based on Centos4) work alongside k12ltsp for network >server functions (squid/email/web/ftp, etc) and to provide >home directories because it is so easy to install and manage. >The tricky part would be getting everything to use the >same network authentication method. > > > Hi Les It seems we are always crusading for the same thing (lol) I just installed the first beta of smeserver7 and I have to say its looking good. I also have the centos version of k12ltsp and was able to get that box authenticating against the samba domain on the smeserver with no hassle at all. the only snag at this point is for some reason the k12ltsp box is not resolving the primary group of the users. I am creating the user home dirs locally using pam_mkhomedir , I think just mapping the home dir on the smeserver to a dir on k12ltsp would be sufficient. So essentially with all authentication against the smeserver we are almost there. I was wondering though how you handle having a server off-line ? Some sort of caching of user info so as to prevent the server (k12ltsp) becoming unusable ? Regards Dean -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 2005/08/22 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 23 21:32:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:32:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! DHCP failover/load-balancing for 2 K12LTSP servers! Message-ID: I've done it! I have managed to get DHCP failover and load-balancing! I now have 2 K12LTSP servers and I wanted to get them so they'd split the load and also be there in case the other one fails. I've not only done it....it's easy! ISC DHCP has a built-in peer-to-peer failover mechanism so you have two identical DHCP servers on the network (in my case the 2 LTSP boxes....) then they talk to each other sharing their lease table....AND....they split the load! It's done by split or hashes....I have mine set up for about a 50/50 split where quite simply one server hands out the first address....second hands out the next...etc. In an LTSP set up, this means that every other terminal is booting to a different server...hence the splitting of the load! I will document and post ASAP....still have some fine tuning to do, but here at my school....in this lab.....and elsewhere....it is working! Wheeeeeee! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Tue Aug 23 21:29:47 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:29:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems With SchoolBell Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF6B7C99@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> [Selzler, Bruce] Hello Team, I'm trying to set up a SchoolBell server running K12LTSP. I can't seem to get the permissions straight. If a user logs in and they can view and edit their own calendar they then do not have the ability to view or edit a Resource. Alternatively, if a user logs in and can't view their own calendar, then they can view and add events to a resource. I guess I'm missing something really important, but I can't figure out what it is. Also, how to you update? Yum doesn't seem to do it. Let me know what you think. Thanks. - Sez From scott at hosef.org Tue Aug 23 22:20:35 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:20:35 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Running NovaNet on clients Message-ID: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> Is anyone accessing NovaNet from their thin clients? This is the link to it http://www.pearsondigital.com/novanet/ and one of our schools wants to expand their access to it. It appears that it can accessed through a standard web browser, but I sure would like to know if anyone has had experience with it yet. --scott From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 23 22:55:31 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:55:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <430B90EB.3080108@mumby.co.za> References: <20050823150802.13980.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com> <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <430B90EB.3080108@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1124837731.6040.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:11, Dean Mumby wrote: > It seems we are always crusading for the same thing (lol) > > I just installed the first beta of smeserver7 and I have to say its > looking good. I also have the centos version of k12ltsp and was able to > get that box authenticating against the samba domain on the smeserver > with no hassle at all. the only snag at this point is for some reason > the k12ltsp box is not resolving the primary group of the users. I am > creating the user home dirs locally using pam_mkhomedir , I think just > mapping the home dir on the smeserver to a dir on k12ltsp would be > sufficient. So essentially with all authentication against the > smeserver we are almost there. The ideal thing would be to munge the user management templates/scripts on the SME side to push the right things into LDAP so the LDAP/samba setup would work. And in some cases like squidguard or an email server you might want an SME box to authenticate as a client. > I was wondering though how you handle having a server off-line ? Some > sort of caching of user info so as to prevent the server (k12ltsp) > becoming unusable ? If it could update the logins in LDAP, that could be replicated to backup servers. However, if the box serving the home directories is down you are dead anyway. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 23:33:47 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:33:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TESA client In-Reply-To: References: <20050818160051.6037273C4A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Yeah, still here and still reading the list, though I'm woefully behind. My son was born August 5th and I'm still on parental leave and trying to catch back up with the rest of the world! I'm officially back on Friday (Aug. 26th) and will dig up my TESA stuff then to clarify these notes. This is just from memory and a quick peek at their current Linux download. The stuff I did mostly consisted of edits to the installer and runtime shell scripts to put the binaries into a shared directory (/ opt/vanguard in my case) and still initialize the profile in each home directory properly. Please look at: http://vanguard.vantage.com/vanguard_linux/distro/vanguard-license.txt and determine on your own if small edits to a couple of shell scripts constitute a modification the product as described in the license agreement. Look at install.sh (http://vanguard.vantage.com/vanguard_linux/distro/ install.sh) to see that the tarball is at: http://vanguard.vantage.com/vanguard_linux/distro/ vanguard_current.tar.bz2 D/L the tarball, unpack into /opt/vanguard, and edit the /opt/ vanguard/vanguard shell script. Change the paths to the common directory (/opt/vanguard instead of ~/vanguard). This doesn't install flash and java (which are part of their distributed browser, but I've never seen either used in practice. YMMV. The JVM portion of the installer is disabled in the Linux version anyhow.) and it also doesn't install shortcuts/menu items for GNOME/KDE. You also still need to run the CreateProfile and registration routines for each user (or run them once and copy the profile out to other users). sh /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh -CreateProfile vanguard; sh /opt/vanguard/vanguard_start.sh -P vanguard -chrome \ chrome:// vanguard/content/registration.xul & This is at the end of the official downloaded install.sh, but with a different path, of course. I put this into its own shell script (/opt/ vanguard/vanreg.sh) for easy access. /opt/vanguard/vanguard is the executable (well, a shell script to run vanguard_start.sh, which then runs vanguard-bin). Hope this is helpful. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:30 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > Hey Michael, > > The TESA setup I posted at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/tesa/ has > not changed in a long, long time. It is the same skin that has > worked since Mozilla 1.0. > > It may be that the new version of Mozilla does not work quite right > with TESA. Can see if you can repeat the problem by logging into a > regular GNOME or KDE session and logging into TESA with plain-old- > mozilla? > > I also need to look into hacking the Vantage's "secure browser" to > support multi-user. I did a bit of work on this last year, but have > not touched it all summer. My memory is rusty on the details there. > I believe Parkrose has been using a modified Vantage "secure browser" > that supports multi-user terminal server scenarios. Dan, you are > still reading the list? If so, can you pitch in? > > -Eric > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Michael Picone wrote: > > >> First, this is my first thread here so please excuse me if I did >> anything wrong in my posting it. >> >> Anyway, I just thought I'd see if some of you have the same >> problem I am having. I have installed the TESA "fake" session via >> the script Eric Harrison created. And it installed fine. When I >> have a user log into the client, it opens TESA just fine >> also. The issue is when you try and do a "Sample Test", the drop >> down javascript menus to select the grade, subject, etc. only drop >> down for a split second and then go back up. They will not allow >> you to make a selection even if you log in to the >> server locally. Javascript is enabled on Mozilla. Is there another >> browser issue I might have? Anyone else have this problem? Also, >> we had an older install (Dec. 2004) on a server that had the >> client version displayed as "Vanguard/Linux 0.1.57" and >> it does not have this issue. The client that Eric's script >> installs now does not display the version in the right hand corner >> anymore and has a black bar on the top part of the window as well >> as variant of tux on the left hand side. I emailed Eric >> about this and got no response. I guess installing the older >> verison should work but I cannot seem to locate a link to that >> script as the only one posted on the MESD's site seems to be the >> newer one. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike Picone >> >> Linux Support Technician >> Computer/Network Technician >> Gresham-Barlow School District >> Microsoft Certified Professional >> >> Linux Registered User #376887 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 23:41:31 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:41:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running NovaNet on clients In-Reply-To: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> References: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> Message-ID: <783D199B-C8CD-4F97-B2EF-DE4B30F71B2F@parkrose.k12.or.us> On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:20 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Is anyone accessing NovaNet from their thin clients? > > This is the link to it > > http://www.pearsondigital.com/novanet/ > > and one of our schools wants to expand their access to it. It > appears that it can accessed through a standard web browser, but I > sure would like to know if anyone has had experience with it yet. In my experience, Novanet is _not_ accessible via a web browser. Take a look at the system requirements and their description of the client requirements, which describe the "Portal" software. That is a Windows or Mac binary which must be installed on each workstation. http://www.pearsondigital.com/secure/novanet/NNSysReq.pdf I've never tried a Wine installation, but that might be a possibility. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 24 00:14:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:14:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <,> Message-ID: UBUNTU ROCKS! (typed using FirstClass on Ubuntu Hoary on an HP ZV5000 laptop with everything working!)....also using Amarok 1.3 which is vey cool! Anxiously awaiting the final of Ubuntu LTSP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Wed Aug 24 00:21:09 2005 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:21:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <, > Message-ID: <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Yes it does! (typed on a Dell Inspiron laptop running Hoary. The install was WAY easier than the windows XP it replaced.) Mark Ehle Network Administrator Willard Public Library Battle Creek, MI Quoting David Trask : > UBUNTU ROCKS! (typed using FirstClass on Ubuntu Hoary on an HP ZV5000 > laptop with everything working!)....also using Amarok 1.3 which is vey > cool! Anxiously awaiting the final of Ubuntu LTSP > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 24 00:46:42 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <, > <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: Yes it does! (typed near a P4 server running Ubuntu breezy Colony 3, get yours at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspBreezyTest) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Yes it does! (typed on a Dell Inspiron laptop running Hoary. The install was WAY > easier than the windows XP it replaced.) > > Mark Ehle > Network Administrator > Willard Public Library > Battle Creek, MI > > > Quoting David Trask : > > > UBUNTU ROCKS! (typed using FirstClass on Ubuntu Hoary on an HP ZV5000 > > laptop with everything working!)....also using Amarok 1.3 which is vey > > cool! Anxiously awaiting the final of Ubuntu LTSP > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Aug 24 02:08:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 02:08:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! DHCP failover/load-balancing for 2 K12LTSP servers! Message-ID: <200508240424.j7O4O4c27560@downeast.net> watching for your notes!! ch > I've done it! I have managed to get DHCP failover and load-balancing! I > now have 2 K12LTSP servers and I wanted to get them so they'd split the > load and also be there in case the other one fails. I've not only done > it....it's easy! ISC DHCP has a built-in peer-to-peer failover mechanism > so you have two identical DHCP servers on the network (in my case the 2 > LTSP boxes....) then they talk to each other sharing their lease > table....AND....they split the load! It's done by split or hashes....I > have mine set up for about a 50/50 split where quite simply one server > hands out the first address....second hands out the next...etc. In an > LTSP set up, this means that every other terminal is booting to a > different server...hence the splitting of the load! I will document and > post ASAP....still have some fine tuning to do, but here at my > school....in this lab.....and elsewhere....it is working! Wheeeeeee! > uck > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 24 02:58:31 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:58:31 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Running NovaNet on clients In-Reply-To: <783D199B-C8CD-4F97-B2EF-DE4B30F71B2F@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> <783D199B-C8CD-4F97-B2EF-DE4B30F71B2F@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <430BE257.6030409@hosef.org> Dan Young wrote: > In my experience, Novanet is _not_ accessible via a web browser. Take a > look at the system requirements and their description of the client > requirements, which describe the "Portal" software. That is a Windows > or Mac binary which must be installed on each workstation. > http://www.pearsondigital.com/secure/novanet/NNSysReq.pdf This is the document that has left me with questions. It appears that they offer a LAN/WAN option where they put equipment on the customer's premise. I read this to be the one to require the binary. It *seems* that the other access option, the Internet option, does not require any installation. I am going to call them and to try and access it from the school tomorrow with a laptop. > > I've never tried a Wine installation, but that might be a possibility. Thanks, Dan, for the insight and suggestion. Maybe I'll discover something. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District --scott From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 24 03:04:01 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:04:01 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Scott, > > yes, you could connect the 2 switches to your 2 nics and split the load. > > Just make sure you don't then connect the 2 switches together. > > AND, make sure you pick different subnets for the 2 networks. > > Something like 192.168.0.x for eth0, an 192.168.1.x for eth1 would work, > assuming your netmask is 255.255.255.0 I am finally testing this, and it seems that I need to edit dhcpd.conf. I'll confess that I have not just plugged in the two interfaces, but it seems that dhcpd has to know how to talk to both interfaces. Is there more to configure than specifying the two separate network interfaces? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org --scott From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 24 03:07:40 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Running NovaNet on clients In-Reply-To: <430BE257.6030409@hosef.org> References: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> <783D199B-C8CD-4F97-B2EF-DE4B30F71B2F@parkrose.k12.or.us> <430BE257.6030409@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > >> In my experience, Novanet is _not_ accessible via a web browser. Take a >> look at the system requirements and their description of the client >> requirements, which describe the "Portal" software. That is a Windows or >> Mac binary which must be installed on each workstation. >> http://www.pearsondigital.com/secure/novanet/NNSysReq.pdf > > This is the document that has left me with questions. It appears that they > offer a LAN/WAN option where they put equipment on the customer's premise. I > read this to be the one to require the binary. It *seems* that the other > access option, the Internet option, does not require any installation. I am > going to call them and to try and access it from the school tomorrow with a > laptop. Some time ago they had a beta Linux client binary. You might ask them about that. -Eric From jh at clongowes.net Wed Aug 24 07:08:11 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:08:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] nscd & Thanks Eric In-Reply-To: <20050823200503.896D47357A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050823200503.896D47357A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1124867291.3583.2.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> The latest yum update seems to have sorted out the problem of nscd crashing and stopping folk from logging on from windows pcs in an ldap/samba environment. jh PS Thanks Eric, the LDAP problem is sorted. From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 11:33:01 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:33:01 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems With SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF6B7C99@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF6B7C99@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <92de6c88050824043346efb751@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/05, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > I'm trying to set up a SchoolBell server running K12LTSP. I can't seem > to get the permissions straight. If a user logs in and they can view > and edit their own calendar they then do not have the ability to view or > edit a Resource. Alternatively, if a user logs in and can't view their > own calendar, then they can view and add events to a resource. I guess > I'm missing something really important, but I can't figure out what it > is. Hey Bruce. I that sounds like a bug that cropped up, not something you're doing, so you should update. I haven't directly pinged Eric about doing .RPM's for the new release (we posted the tarballs on http://schooltool.org last Wednesday), in part because he sounded so weary in his post about getting 4.4.0 done :-) Also, if you're a school, you should be using SchoolTool, rather than SchoolBell. It is basically the same thing but with support for school timetables. Even if you don't need that now, we don't currently support migrating from SchoolBell to SchoolTool, so if in doubt, use SchoolTool. I guess because of that if you've already got a lot of data in your SchoolBell, you should just use SchoolBell 1.2 > Also, how to you update? Yum doesn't seem to do it. Let me know what > you think. So... you can get the SchoolTool 0.11 or SchoolBell 1.2 tarball at http://schooltool.org Also, the bug you've got unfortunately isn't completely resolved in that release, so you need to exchange a couple files. We'll have a bugfix release that incorporates the changes soon, but in the meantime you can just download the corrected file: http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/schoolbell-1.2.x/src/schoolbell/app/configure.zcml You should replace the file src/schoolbell/app/configure.zcml with the one linked above. And download: http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/schooltool-0.11.x/src/schooltool/configure.zcml This one should go into src/schooltool/configure.zcml Until Eric puts together .RPM's, you just untar this package, cd into the directory and use 'python schooltool-server.py' (or schoolbell-server) to start it up. If you're starting fresh with SchoolTool, that's pretty much it. If you want to bring your old SchoolTool data over to the new SchoolBell, it is in a file called Data.fs, which I imagine is in /var/schoolbell/ or something like that (I haven't spent much time with the RPM's). Once the RPM's are done, you can just move the Data.fs back. Also, the drawback of running from the tarball is that the server doesn't start automatically on boot, but it should be enough to get you started. In summary, release management in open source projects is a lot harder than it looks! --Tom From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 13:35:56 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp on ubuntu -- is it MueKow? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050824133556.32151.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the advice, Jim and Bill. I will follow it. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > The Breezy Colony 3 release is very Alpha at this > point. I wouldn't put > it on anything besides a test machine. It's still > about 6 or 7 weeks > away from release, and at the pace those Ubuntu guys > move, there's > likely to be alot of work still going into it. > > If you want a good solid distro to put LTSP on, i'd > go for the Ubuntu > Hoary Hedgehog release. --- Bill Bardon wrote: > I installed Breezy about two weeks ago. At that > point it was NOT ready > for general use. Reinstalled Hoary over it after > trying to live with > Breezy for half a day. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 24 14:09:23 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:09:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Office on K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: <1124719729.19697.29.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <20050822065330.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9932e73441.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <1124719729.19697.29.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: But where is the disadvantage when you produce "well educated students" who are fully capable of adapting to different technologies instead of being "locked in" to the M$ way of doing things? Well educated students can sit down in front of Excel, OOCalc, Quattro Pro, Lotus and be able to do what they want. Limited educated students are taught M$ and are unable to do what they want in anything else. . . JMHO - YMMV Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, george kocke wrote: > On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 08:53, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > I explained to the powers to be that we are supposed to be teaching > > kids how to use spreadsheets, word processors, data base > > applications, and presentation programs. Not how to use MS Office. > > If a student goes to work for a law firm, they will be using > > WordPerfect. > > Yes, but this is a difficult concept for people who insist upon training > with certain versions of certain products in order to produce "well > educated" students. > > We're now beginning our 4th year of using K12LTSP & OpenOffice, but I > almost didn't make it to the 2nd year because of the Microsoft Office > issue. There were people who simply didn't like the different > arrangement of menus and icons from Office 97 and those who thought that > our students (we go up to 8th grade) would be at a disadvantage when > they got to high school. > > I used two arguments to win these people over. The first was more money > in their pockets due to the vast sums we were saving. The second was to > show them how similar all of the "office" products have been for the > last 20 something years and showed them a 1986 version of Microsoft > Works on a Mac SE. > > -- > george kocke > http://www.vol.org > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 24 14:50:49 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:50:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings In-Reply-To: <430B57BF.80103@paasda.org> References: <20050823095557.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7d6f0170fc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <430B57BF.80103@paasda.org> Message-ID: I have had this problem before, and unfortunately, the only way to now fix the bad accounts is to: a.) manually set passwords b.) delete the accounts, fix the problem and re-create the accounts. I cannot remember how I fixed my samba/webmin thing, but you might try to remove webmin and re-install it. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Huck wrote: > Yes they can login via thin clients, yes the machine accounts are > created, I didn't edit any registry settings manually (never had to > before)... > > And if I manually modify the user's passwd via the webmin module on a > PER user basis instead of via the batch, they can login fine. > But that's 230 users =) > > My old accts still login just fine and all machines joined to domain and > tested with MY account from last year... > I created a test acct this morning when it was reported to me, and can > login via thin client but not via the XP machines. > > /etc/samba/smbpasswd shows the following which seems odd: > > cslab17$:521:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:CA7CD029AA87726448C49D1A01F00861:[W > ]:LCT-4308DA55: > kpetersen:787:0C10B6455D8AA70A2105B18654FE47C2:95B870FBC31E8E97E1637C13343E8329:[U > ]:LCT-424B24FB: > yamaza:797:E52CAC67419A9A224A3B108F3FA6CB6D:8846F7EAEE8FB117AD06BDD830B7586C:[U > ]:LCT-42FA655A: > install:798:BEA881BCA684D27CB75E0C8D76954A50:83B342DABFE6096D1E579FEC082759C5:[U > ]:LCT-42FBA040: > aguich:527:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:[U > ]:LCT-430A0C38: > andesa:528:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:[DU > ]:LCT-430A0C3A: > ashlkr:529:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:[U > ]:LCT-430A0C3B: > > > starting at aguich...those X's...??? above that are the accounts that > work and one of the XP machine accts. > > > --Huck > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > When you say that the users can login to the server, do you mean on a > > thin client? Has your windows machines joined the domain? (created > > machine accounts) Did you make the registery changes on the windows > > machines?? > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 24 14:52:41 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:52:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development In-Reply-To: <430B5BE0.4040707@paasda.org> References: <20050823100023.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a56c46f569.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <430B5BE0.4040707@paasda.org> Message-ID: OH I REMEMBER! Not only do you have to have it set to create users in other modules, but you also must set Sync Samba users with Unix users. And there is a way in webmin to do that even after you have created accounts. (I think) Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Huck wrote: > Okay, on a hunch I figured the batch had not created the 'smbpasswd' > properly...so I did it manual '/etc/samba/smbpasswd david'...which > allowed me to set it manually... > > Is there a way to set all student passwds to their usernames via a script? > > --Huck > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > The log file is located in /var/log/samba/ . There will be one for > > each machine logging on to the domain and one for smbd and nmbd. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings > > From: Huck > > Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 11:49 am > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > After creating users yesterday, they are able to login to the K12LTSP > > server, but on the windows machines they are unable to. > > > > I used the webmin batch creator, and DID have the 'Create, modify or > > delete users in other modules?' set to YES. > > > > this is the error msg when I tail -f /var/log/messages > > > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > > Transport endpoint is not connected > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was > > Transport endpoint is not connected > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket_data(430) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket_data: write failure. > > Error = Connection reset by peer > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:write_socket(455) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket: Error writing 4 > > bytes to > > socket 5: ERRNO = Connection reset by peer > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(647) > > Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: Error writing 4 bytes to client. -1. > > (Connection reset by peer) > > > > > > any ideas? > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Aug 24 15:06:03 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:06:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings new development In-Reply-To: References: <20050823100023.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a56c46f569.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <430B5BE0.4040707@paasda.org> Message-ID: <430C8CDB.805@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> If you go into the Samba Module in Webmin there's a button marked Sync accounts If memeory serves me correctly Brian Doug Simpson wrote: > OH I REMEMBER! > > Not only do you have to have it set to create users in other modules, but > you also must set Sync Samba users with Unix users. > > And there is a way in webmin to do that even after you have created > accounts. (I think) > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Huck wrote: > > >>Okay, on a hunch I figured the batch had not created the 'smbpasswd' >>properly...so I did it manual '/etc/samba/smbpasswd david'...which >>allowed me to set it manually... >> >>Is there a way to set all student passwds to their usernames via a script? >> >>--Huck >> >>rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >> >>>The log file is located in /var/log/samba/ . There will be one for >>>each machine logging on to the domain and one for smbd and nmbd. >>> >>>Ronald R. McDaniel >>>Conecuh County Schools >>>(251) 578-7073 x26 >>>(251) 230-0658 cell >>>rmcdaniel at indata.us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [K12OSN] odd samba happenings >>> From: Huck >>> Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 11:49 am >>> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> >>> >>> After creating users yesterday, they are able to login to the K12LTSP >>> server, but on the windows machines they are unable to. >>> >>> I used the webmin batch creator, and DID have the 'Create, modify or >>> delete users in other modules?' set to YES. >>> >>> this is the error msg when I tail -f /var/log/messages >>> >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] >>> lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was >>> Transport endpoint is not connected >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] >>> lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000) >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: getpeername failed. Error was >>> Transport endpoint is not connected >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] >>> lib/util_sock.c:write_socket_data(430) >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket_data: write failure. >>> Error = Connection reset by peer >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] >>> lib/util_sock.c:write_socket(455) >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: write_socket: Error writing 4 >>> bytes to >>> socket 5: ERRNO = Connection reset by peer >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: [2005/08/23 09:33:31, 0] >>> lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(647) >>> Aug 23 09:33:31 ltsp smbd[374]: Error writing 4 bytes to client. -1. >>> (Connection reset by peer) >>> >>> >>> any ideas? >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Wed Aug 24 16:01:03 2005 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:01:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 18, Issue 36 Message-ID: <857229345@mail.sgusd.k12.ca.us> Thank you for your message: I will be out of the office until Tuesday August 30th. If you require immediate assistance please contact Theresa Paz @ 626-451-5450 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 24 16:05:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:05:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems With SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <92de6c88050824043346efb751@mail.gmail.com> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF6B7C99@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <92de6c88050824043346efb751@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <430C9AD7.8000805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 8/24/05, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > > >>I'm trying to set up a SchoolBell server running K12LTSP. I can't seem >>to get the permissions straight. If a user logs in and they can view >>and edit their own calendar they then do not have the ability to view or >>edit a Resource. Alternatively, if a user logs in and can't view their >>own calendar, then they can view and add events to a resource. I guess >>I'm missing something really important, but I can't figure out what it >>is. > > > Hey Bruce. > > I that sounds like a bug that cropped up, not something you're doing, > so you should update. I haven't directly pinged Eric about doing > .RPM's for the new release (we posted the tarballs on > http://schooltool.org last Wednesday), in part because he sounded so > weary in his post about getting 4.4.0 done :-) I'm pretty sure that the light at the end of my tunnel is an on-coming train. > So... you can get the SchoolTool 0.11 or SchoolBell 1.2 tarball at > http://schooltool.org > > Also, the bug you've got unfortunately isn't completely resolved in > that release, so you need to exchange a couple files. We'll have a > bugfix release that incorporates the changes soon, but in the meantime > you can just download the > corrected file: > http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/schoolbell-1.2.x/src/schoolbell/app/configure.zcml > > You should replace the file src/schoolbell/app/configure.zcml with the > one linked above. > > And download: http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/schooltool-0.11.x/src/schooltool/configure.zcml > > This one should go into src/schooltool/configure.zcml How quick are you guys going to put out a bug fix release? I could build packages that include these updated files, but if you are going to have a new release out soon I'll just wait. > > In summary, release management in open source projects is a lot harder > than it looks! > ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 24 16:23:19 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:23:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <, > <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> Not an XP enthusiast..but I've not found(other than a live-cd) a distro of linux that is WAY easier to install than XP ;)... does it NOT ask you questions about time, networking, username, partitions, packages? (have not tried Ubuntu yet, waiting for a final release) --Huck mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Yes it does! (typed on a Dell Inspiron laptop running Hoary. The install was WAY > easier than the windows XP it replaced.) > > Mark Ehle > Network Administrator > Willard Public Library > Battle Creek, MI From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 16:23:34 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:23:34 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems With SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <430C9AD7.8000805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF6B7C99@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <92de6c88050824043346efb751@mail.gmail.com> <430C9AD7.8000805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <92de6c8805082409234d9b1d32@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > How quick are you guys going to put out a bug fix release? I could build > packages that include these updated files, but if you are going to have > a new release out soon I'll just wait. Eric, We'll try to get it out tomorrow. I'll ping you when it is done. So Bruce, if you want to ignore my baroque upgrade/bugfix instructions, we should have a properly patched RPM by Friday. --Tom From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 16:35:30 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:35:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] networking wisdom needed Message-ID: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> Hey Folks, I'm looking into an older model Cisco switch for our backbone. It's the Catalyst 2948G-GE-TX. The specs say, "the 48 10/100/1000BASE-T ports [can] share 12Gbps of capacity (or 6Gbps full-duplex) into the switching fabric. " How many terminals could that support max? Granted I don't think the whole school needs to play Tux Type simultaneously. Thank you, Peter From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Aug 24 16:42:28 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:42:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] networking wisdom needed In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33168.216.229.68.126.1124901748.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> That's about 100 times more than they will need. Your bottleneck will be in the server. Past that, a 100 mb switch works great. If you are going to hook up several switches, I recommend a gig backbone, but .... IMHO BK > Hey Folks, > I'm looking into an older model Cisco switch for our backbone. It's > the Catalyst 2948G-GE-TX. The specs say, "the 48 10/100/1000BASE-T > ports [can] share 12Gbps of capacity (or 6Gbps full-duplex) into the > switching fabric. " How many terminals could that support max? > Granted I don't think the whole school needs to play Tux Type > simultaneously. > > Thank you, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 24 16:48:19 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:48:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] networking wisdom needed In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <430CA4D3.4030104@paasda.org> apparently 48 - 1 so 47... 47 * 100mbps == 4.7gbps so even at full duplex you should be okay. although your 1 port that plugs into the server only can handle 1gbps ...so there will be some slow times for sure..(rough estimate at best) I'm running about 35 thin clients and 21 XP machines and 15 macs all off the same LTSP server...XP machines with roaming profiles are slow loggers(on and off, loading profiles and saving them)...everything else is quite dreamy. The macs simply use the server to access student home dirs. note: XP and Macs on 10/100 switches...of the Thin Clients on the Amer.com 24 10/100port+2gig port switch... --Huck Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Folks, > I'm looking into an older model Cisco switch for our backbone. It's > the Catalyst 2948G-GE-TX. The specs say, "the 48 10/100/1000BASE-T > ports [can] share 12Gbps of capacity (or 6Gbps full-duplex) into the > switching fabric. " How many terminals could that support max? > Granted I don't think the whole school needs to play Tux Type > simultaneously. > > Thank you, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Aug 24 16:46:43 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:46:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] /dev/dsp permission problem Message-ID: <430CA473.6080401@snarlnet.com> Hi, Almost every time when I log into a client I get the error, (arg, I forget the exact error message). Anyway, it's about /dev/dsp not being opened, or in use by something else, or something. The fix that works every time is chmod 777 /dev/dsp . So, my question is, what's the best way to automate this? Should I do it at login? I have no idea how to do that, but it seems like it makes more sense than a cron job which might do it unecessarily, or not do it when needed. Can someone walk me through the steps of getting that command to execute (as root, I'm assuming) when a regular user logs into a client? Thanks a lot, ck From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Aug 24 16:53:05 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:53:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] networking wisdom needed Message-ID: <20050824095305.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5bc00a124d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 24 17:21:23 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:21:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] networking wisdom needed In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1124904083.21756.116.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:35, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Folks, > I'm looking into an older model Cisco switch for our backbone. It's > the Catalyst 2948G-GE-TX. The specs say, "the 48 10/100/1000BASE-T > ports [can] share 12Gbps of capacity (or 6Gbps full-duplex) into the > switching fabric. " How many terminals could that support max? > Granted I don't think the whole school needs to play Tux Type > simultaneously. It's the uplinks from the servers that matter, so your 6 gig backbone capacity will support at least 6 servers at full bore on their gig uplinks, so 200 clients before any possible contention if they are distributed over additional switches connected on their gig ports. And in practice you can probably do 10x that before you would notice any slowdown on that switch. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 18:02:17 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:02:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] networking wisdom needed In-Reply-To: <33168.216.229.68.126.1124901748.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <9bd31756050824093585f900@mail.gmail.com> <33168.216.229.68.126.1124901748.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <9bd31756050824110279f338f@mail.gmail.com> Oh yeah BTW. I am planning on getting 16, 24 port gig uplink switches for the classrooms and lab. Although this year we're only going to have 100 terminals and 1 dual opteron server w/ 6gb ram. I intend to have 3 or more gig nics linked with 802.3ad on the server although maybe I shouldn't count on that working. Les, how do figure 200 terminals? By Hucks' formula that would need 20gb capacity. That's totally saturated of course. Unless I'm misunderstanding something. I just want to make sure that we have a switch that we can grow with. Thanks, Peter On 8/24/05, Brandon Kovach wrote: > That's about 100 times more than they will need. Your bottleneck will be > in the server. Past that, a 100 mb switch works great. If you are going > to hook up several switches, I recommend a gig backbone, but .... > > IMHO > > BK > > Hey Folks, > > I'm looking into an older model Cisco switch for our backbone. It's > > the Catalyst 2948G-GE-TX. The specs say, "the 48 10/100/1000BASE-T > > ports [can] share 12Gbps of capacity (or 6Gbps full-duplex) into the > > switching fabric. " How many terminals could that support max? > > Granted I don't think the whole school needs to play Tux Type > > simultaneously. > > > > Thank you, > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Life is a race. Don't lose. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Aug 24 19:23:34 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:23:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] networking wisdom needed Message-ID: <20050824122334.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2cdac8f0ce.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 24 19:27:07 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:27:07 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> Message-ID: <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> R. Scott Belford wrote: > > Is there more to configure than specifying the two separate network > interfaces? Sorry to reply to myself, but I have learned a few things about this. In the Breezy/Ubuntu/MueKow/Debian world, the step to serve dhcp over multiple interfaces is by editing /etc/default/dhcp3-server. My test K12LTSP box is currently a Breezy box, so I cannot confirm the process for the K12LTSP. It appears from googling that one must edit /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd to add the other interfaces. Why? We have been using TYAN mobos for some time, and the dual-opteron model we like has 3 onboard NICS. The default K12LTSP install configures the two Gig Nics as eth0 and eth1, and the 10/100 nic is configured as eth2. This makes it nearly a no-brainer to configure the server to simultaneously feed two switches or a single switch with dual gig uplinks and the ability to create VLANs. --scott From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 24 19:31:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:31:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 14:27, R. Scott Belford wrote: > R. Scott Belford wrote: > > > > Is there more to configure than specifying the two separate network > > interfaces? > > Sorry to reply to myself, but I have learned a few things about this. > > In the Breezy/Ubuntu/MueKow/Debian world, the step to serve dhcp over > multiple interfaces is by editing /etc/default/dhcp3-server. > > My test K12LTSP box is currently a Breezy box, so I cannot confirm the > process for the K12LTSP. It appears from googling that one must edit > /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd to add the other interfaces. You should edit /etc/dhcpd.conf adding additional subnet {...} declarations with appropriate router and range entries. The /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file just provides command line arguments. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Aug 24 19:38:04 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:38:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] help needed with website problem Message-ID: I 've just installed a 24 station lab....no problems with the setup. The teacher in the lab said that they were having problems with a website...I went and looked for myself...sure enough the site is www.fcatexplorer.com this site is used by almost every school in Florida problem is you have to login to the site....once the first student does that all other students have to wait up to a minute to login,,,then the next , the next, etc. This one problem could kill our whole project. Server Dell dual 2.4 processors 4gb ram switch 48 port 100mb workstation Dell optiplex gx1 64mb ram David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 24 19:50:27 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:50:27 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <430CCF83.6020306@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > > You should edit /etc/dhcpd.conf adding additional subnet {...} > declarations with appropriate router and range entries. > The /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file just provides command line arguments. > Okay. That makes sense. Dhcpd.conf has an entry for the the 192.168. subnet, etc. Do I just want to copy this while changing the subnet, router, and range values to match the IP settings of the second NIC? Do you have an example of how this would look? Les, Thanks for the insight. --scott From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 24 19:56:08 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:56:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] help needed with website problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It sounds like the website is limiting connection attempts from the same IP address. On Aug 24, 2005, at 2:38 PM, David Dees wrote: > I 've just installed a 24 station lab....no problems with the setup. > The teacher in the lab said that they were having problems with a > website...I went and looked for myself...sure enough the site is > > www.fcatexplorer.com this site is used by almost every school in > Florida > problem is you have to login to the site....once the first student > does > that all other students have to wait up to a minute to login,,,then > the > next , the next, etc. > > This one problem could kill our whole project. > > Server Dell dual 2.4 processors > 4gb ram > > switch 48 port 100mb > > workstation Dell optiplex gx1 > 64mb ram > > > > > > David Dees > IT Director > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkMM0NgACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT48gCfRJ6RGx6AVdQo8iHbCQlROfRG lYYAnRA8YAMuhivBKRW6azoMOPnDk5vt =tWXz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Aug 24 20:00:55 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:00:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] help needed with website problem Message-ID: <430CD1F7.7090906@snarlnet.com> I'd, contact the fcatexplorer site admin, explain your situation and ask them to change their authentication scheme a bit to accomodate your multiuser setup. http://www.fcatexplorer.com/Support/Contact/contact_form.asp?noflash=1 > It sounds like the website is limiting connection attempts from the same IP address. From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 24 20:21:10 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:21:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <430CCF83.6020306@hosef.org> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <430CCF83.6020306@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1124914870.21756.200.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 14:50, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > You should edit /etc/dhcpd.conf adding additional subnet {...} > > declarations with appropriate router and range entries. > > The /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file just provides command line arguments. > > > > Okay. That makes sense. Dhcpd.conf has an entry for the the 192.168. > subnet, etc. Do I just want to copy this while changing the subnet, > router, and range values to match the IP settings of the second NIC? Do > you have an example of how this would look? I don't have a working example set up to net-boot on multiple subnets. Mine look like this and are outside of any share-subnet declaration (put your cursor on the { and hit % in vi to find the matching brace): --- #Subnet 10.201.4.0 is the New York office subnet 10.201.4.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 10.201.4.150 10.201.4.254; option routers 10.201.4.1; } #Subnet 10.201.6.0 is the Los Angles office Ethernet subnet 10.201.6.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 10.201.6.200 10.201.6.254; option routers 10.201.6.1; } ---- Things inside a shared-subnet {..} are supposed on the same wire as I recall, so you will have to repeat some of that stuff in the other declarations to get the options for booting right. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 20:35:39 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:35:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> Message-ID: On 8/24/05, Huck wrote: > Not an XP enthusiast..but I've not found(other than a live-cd) a distro > of linux that is WAY easier to install than XP ;)... > does it NOT ask you questions about time, networking, username, > partitions, packages? (have not tried Ubuntu yet, waiting for a final > release) Try Mepis Linux. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From accessys at smart.net Wed Aug 24 20:37:55 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 8/24/05, Huck wrote: > > Not an XP enthusiast..but I've not found(other than a live-cd) a distro > > of linux that is WAY easier to install than XP ;)... > > does it NOT ask you questions about time, networking, username, > > partitions, packages? (have not tried Ubuntu yet, waiting for a final > > release) > > Try Mepis Linux. yeah if someone can't use Mepis show them where the "on" switch is. Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 24 20:42:29 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:42:29 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <1124914870.21756.200.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <430CCF83.6020306@hosef.org> <1124914870.21756.200.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <430CDBB5.90700@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 14:50, R. Scott Belford wrote: >>Okay. That makes sense. Dhcpd.conf has an entry for the the 192.168. >>subnet, etc. Do I just want to copy this while changing the subnet, >>router, and range values to match the IP settings of the second NIC? Do >>you have an example of how this would look? > > > I don't have a working example set up to net-boot on multiple > subnets. Mine look like this and are outside of any > share-subnet declaration (put your cursor on the { and hit > % in vi to find the matching brace): > > --- > #Subnet 10.201.4.0 is the New York office > subnet 10.201.4.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range 10.201.4.150 10.201.4.254; > option routers 10.201.4.1; > } #Subnet 10.201.6.0 is the Los Angles office Ethernet > subnet 10.201.6.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range 10.201.6.200 10.201.6.254; > option routers 10.201.6.1; > } > ---- > > Things inside a shared-subnet {..} are supposed on the same wire as > I recall, so you will have to repeat some of that stuff in the other > declarations to get the options for booting right. > Beauty. Thanks for the vi trick. I've got something to chew on. I'll test it and report back. aloha --scott From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 24 20:51:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:51:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1124916675.21756.209.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 15:35, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 8/24/05, Huck wrote: > > Not an XP enthusiast..but I've not found(other than a live-cd) a distro > > of linux that is WAY easier to install than XP ;)... > > does it NOT ask you questions about time, networking, username, > > partitions, packages? (have not tried Ubuntu yet, waiting for a final > > release) > > Try Mepis Linux. Or for a server, try SME server. It doesn't get any easier, but you'd better want to do everything their way... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 24 21:46:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:46:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4 Message-ID: Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4...how? I used to go into /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions and disable the other sessions...such as Gnome and KDE. How do I do it now? Things look very different in K12LTSP 4.4 from that perspective. I want IceWM as the default session for all and the only other one I want to show is "Reset your Desktop". Any ideas? School starts next week so I need answers pretty quickly on this one. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 24 22:00:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:00:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <, > < > < > < > <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Aug 24 2005 at 12:23 +0000 wrote: > (have not tried Ubuntu yet, waiting for a final >release) What do you mean by final release? Ubuntu has been through a couple of "final releases".....I started out with "Warty Warthog" and now I'm running "Hoary Hedgehog"....."Breezy Badger" is the one currently in development...slated for release this fall. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 24 22:01:34 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:01:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050823160047.214967333A@hormel.redhat.com> <, > < > < > < > <1124842869.430bbd7533c05@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <430C9EF7.2090308@paasda.org> Message-ID: <430CEE3E.10904@paasda.org> edubuntu/muekow or whatever it is supposed to be now days... not the Ubuntu distro alone. --Huck David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Aug 24 2005 at 12:23 +0000 wrote: > >>(have not tried Ubuntu yet, waiting for a final >>release) > > > > What do you mean by final release? Ubuntu has been through a couple of > "final releases".....I started out with "Warty Warthog" and now I'm > running "Hoary Hedgehog"....."Breezy Badger" is the one currently in > development...slated for release this fall. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Aug 24 22:15:44 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:15:44 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4 Message-ID: <200508250031.j7P0V0c28670@downeast.net> i donr know ehat dm you are uding..but with kdm i amend Xclients and sgortcircuit the set of if stastments ther by adding PREFERRED=icewm below the fi chuck > Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4...how? I used to go into > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions and disable the other sessions...such as Gnome and > KDE. How do I do it now? Things look very different in K12LTSP 4.4 from > that perspective. I want IceWM as the default session for all and the > only other one I want to show is "Reset your Desktop". Any ideas? School > starts next week so I need answers pretty quickly on this one. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 23:02:34 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:02:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/24/05, David Trask wrote: > Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4...how? I used to go into > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions and disable the other sessions...such as Gnome and If you want to ONLY allow ICEWM read on. I did it by editing 3 files. /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc cp /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession as Xsession.original to save the original ---------------now delete # backward compatibility with old switchdesk directory if [ -d /usr/share/switchdesk ] ; then SWITCHDESKPATH=/usr/share/switchdesk else SWITCHDESKPATH=/usr/share/apps/switchdesk fi -------------and delete # now, we see if xdm/gdm/kdm has asked for a specific environment case $# in 1) if [ -x "$SWITCHDESKPATH/Xclients.$1" ]; then exec -l $SHELL -c "$SWITCHDESKPATH/Xclients.$1"; fi; case "$1" in failsafe) exec -l $SHELL -c "xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0" ;; gnome) exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH gnome-session" ;; kde|kde1|kde2) exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH $SWITCHDESKPATH/Xclients.kde" ;; twm) # fall back to twm exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH $SWITCHDESKPATH/Xclients.twm" ;; *) # GDM provies either a command line as the first argument or # provides 'failsafe', 'default' or 'custom'. KDM will do the # same at some point if [ "$1" != "default" -a "$1" != "custom" ]; then exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH $1" fi ;; esac esac # otherwise, take default action if [ -x "$HOME/.xsession" ]; then exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH $HOME/.xsession" elif [ -x "$HOME/.Xclients" ]; then exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH $HOME/.Xclients" elif [ -x /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients ]; then exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients" else # should never get here; failsafe fallback exec -l $SHELL -c "xsm" fi ---------------------------------- ------- replace it with exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients" Don't delete the call to . /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common Now with file /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients Backup like before. Delete everything and add . /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM Now with file /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc backup like before. delete everything except . /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common and below it add exec /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients and you are done. If there is an easier way to ONLY allow icewm please let me know. One more thing. if you don't want the ssh-agent bug then comment out the ssh-agent line in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common. it's near the end of the file. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 24 23:17:28 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:17:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <430D0008.8000508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4...how? I used to go into > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions and disable the other sessions...such as Gnome and > KDE. How do I do it now? Things look very different in K12LTSP 4.4 from > that perspective. I want IceWM as the default session for all and the > only other one I want to show is "Reset your Desktop". Any ideas? School > starts next week so I need answers pretty quickly on this one. > I'm pretty sure this works, but not tested on the production box here at work ;-) 1) make Gnome & KDE sessions inaccessible: cd /usr/share/xsessions/ chmod a-wrx kde.desktop gnome.desktop 2) edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and make the default icewm.desktop DefaultSession=icewm.desktop -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Aug 25 02:00:30 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:00:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] /dev/dsp permission problem Message-ID: <430D263E.2030702@snarlnet.com> Hello, I've spent all day off and on trying different things. I put the line "chmod 777 /dev/dsp" into about 6 different scripts and it's not working anywhere I tried. (shooting blindly, /etc/rc.d/rc.local, Xstartup, Xstartup.ltsp, etc. etc.) Can someone puhleeaaaze tell me what line do I need to put into which script in order for permissions to /dev/dsp to get reset whenever a user logs in before it throws the alert box? The warning message is popping up a little less than halfway through the startup sequence (right after the little tools in the KDE splash screen.) This is on the FC2 based distro of k12ltsp, I don't know the version number. KDE is the environment. Thank you very much, ck From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 02:25:41 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:25:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4 In-Reply-To: <430D0008.8000508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <430D0008.8000508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 8/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I'm pretty sure this works, but not tested on the production box here at > work ;-) > > 1) make Gnome & KDE sessions inaccessible: > > cd /usr/share/xsessions/ > chmod a-wrx kde.desktop gnome.desktop > > > 2) edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and make the default icewm.desktop > > > DefaultSession=icewm.desktop It did get rid of kde but you can still start gnome by choosing GNOME or Default System Sesson. Tried on 4.2.1EL Remember /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME still exists. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 25 02:39:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:39:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: < > <430D0008.8000508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 10:25 PM +0000 wrote: >It did get rid of kde but you can still start gnome by choosing GNOME >or Default System Sesson. Tried on 4.2.1EL >Remember /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME >still exists. I still want to be able to use Reset Desktop....I simply want IceWM as the default and to remove the others from being visible in the session chooser in gdm....ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Aug 25 03:31:26 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:31:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] /dev/dsp permission problem In-Reply-To: <430D263E.2030702@snarlnet.com> References: <430D263E.2030702@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <430D3B8E.2030008@cmosnetworks.com> Carl Keil wrote: > Hello, > > I've spent all day off and on trying different things. I put the line > "chmod 777 /dev/dsp" into about 6 different scripts and it's not > working anywhere I tried. (shooting blindly, /etc/rc.d/rc.local, > Xstartup, Xstartup.ltsp, etc. etc.) Can someone puhleeaaaze tell me > what line do I need to put into which script in order for permissions > to /dev/dsp to get reset whenever a user logs in before it throws the > alert box? The warning message is popping up a little less than > halfway through the startup sequence (right after the little tools in > the KDE splash screen.) > This is on the FC2 based distro of k12ltsp, I don't know the version > number. KDE is the environment. > > Thank you very much, > > ck You don't have to do that with K12LTSP. I'm running the FC3 version, and I ran the RHL 9 version before that, and the default permissions are fine for sound. REPEAT: you don't have to tweak the permissions on /dev/dsp for sound to work. That is not the problem here. There is a known issue with KDE and LTSP terminals with regard to sound. Sound is known not to work with KDE on the terminals; it works great with GNOME, though. I think this is due to the ARTS sound daemon and how it wants exclusive control of the sound device. Since I personally tend to prefer KDE on my desktops, I thought that this was kinda unfortunate, but it did give me impetus to try out GNOME. I'm starting to get used to it and like it, too. Of course, if you don't need sound on your terminals, and many school computer labs actually do turn that off for obvious reasons, KDE is still a great choice. All that said, if you just insist on tweaking permissions just for fun, then if you do it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, it should happen at reboot of the K12LTSP server. This, BTW, applies to any UNIX-like system. You can also issue the command at a terminal window (as root). --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 03:36:48 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:06:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4 In-Reply-To: References: <430D0008.8000508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <774593a205082420362b37a4f2@mail.gmail.com> On 8/25/05, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 10:25 PM +0000 wrote: > >It did get rid of kde but you can still start gnome by choosing GNOME > >or Default System Sesson. Tried on 4.2.1EL > >Remember /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME > >still exists. I have edited the file /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession and added the line before the choice evaluation and commented out the whole section that deals with choice of desktop as show below. Even if some one changes desktop or switch desk menu they keep getting IceWM only. QUOTE: exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT /usr/share/apps/switchdesk/Xclients.icewm" # case $# in # 1) # if [ -x /usr/share/apps/switchdesk/Xclients.$1 ]; then # exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT /usr/share/apps/switchdesk/Xclients.$1"; # fi; # # case $1 in # failsafe) # exec -l $SHELL -c "xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0" # ;; # gnome) # exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT gnome-session" # ;; # kde|kde1|kde2) # exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT /usr/share/apps/switchdesk/Xclients.kde" # ;; # twm) # # fall back to twm # exec -l $SHELL -c "$SSHAGENT /usr/share/apps/switchdesk/Xclients.twm" # ;; # esac # esac ENDQUOTE: -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Thu Aug 25 07:13:10 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:13:10 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Winbind & idmap Message-ID: <430D6F86.80304@eq.edu.au> Hey, Setting up a server that exports /home via NFS & samba with authentication being done on W2K3 server by the way of winbind. Everything is fine except one problem I am having with my K12LTSP servers (that also authenticate using winbind) the UID's and GID's are different between both. After googling for an answer I found two solutions: 1. Use idmap backend = idmap_rid in smb.conf 2. Use idmap backend = ldap also in smb.conf Has anyone got either of these working? I assumed that i'd have to compile samba with the plugins, which I have done but still am unable to get it to function. It could be that I have not compiled and installed samba correctly I followed this http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/compiling.html and added the option --with-shared-module=idmap_rid. Then added idmap backend = idmap_rid in samba restarted both samba and winbind and tried getent passwd but it only lists local users, but if I comment out that line restart samba & winbind and getent passwd I get a list with the domain users. One more thing if I do yum search samba is reports that samba 3.0.14a is installed even after I have just compiled and I assumed installed 3.0.20 is this right? Can anyone offer any help at all I'd love to have everything up and running including a second LTSP server by Software Freedom Day. (We are having a display and activities ect) From bklinux at verizon.net Thu Aug 25 08:03:19 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:03:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Running NovaNet on clients In-Reply-To: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> References: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> Message-ID: <430D7B47.1010202@verizon.net> Scott, I had a long discussion with a NovaNet trainer, Alfie Perrin, about this same topic. She mentioned that NovaNet ran on unix way back when but no longer. It is a PC thing now...not even sure if they have a Mac version. I then proceeded to get a straight answer from their Tech Support and again they said no Linux version. Wine is a different story. I never tried it that way. When you install NovaNet it is a two part install. 1) The navigation port itself 2) The curriculum. You may have a tough time getting the curriculum to install because it wants QuickTime or Windows Media player to be installed so it can play its embedded movies. If you get it to work, please let me know. Byron R. Scott Belford wrote: > Is anyone accessing NovaNet from their thin clients? > > This is the link to it > > http://www.pearsondigital.com/novanet/ > > and one of our schools wants to expand their access to it. It appears > that it can accessed through a standard web browser, but I sure would > like to know if anyone has had experience with it yet. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Aug 25 12:01:23 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:01:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <430B6D41.3060900@hosef.org> Message-ID: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> > I sure have found myself stumped over something recently. We set up a > lab and used one of the TrendNet switches we like. It has 24 10/100 > ports and two gigabit ports. > When the server is uplinked to the switch through the gig port, the > clients hang at Doing the Pivot Root. Hi, I just went through this issue with some amer.com gig switches and IBM x206 Intel gig ethernet cards. Don't pull your hair out, find another switch. Amer.com support has not contacted me back yet about this issue. It is NOT your k12LTSP install. I wish I had and answer, Tom Ventresco From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Aug 25 12:08:02 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:08:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> Message-ID: <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> Same here, I just put in two dell 2724 gig switches. Had the same issue. I have a weak theory though, I think it has something to do with the managed portion of the switch. I did a hard reset to one of the switches and now it works. I tried to apply the same process to the other switch, it still didn't work. Thanks for the tip on the amer.com gig switches, I have A P.O. in hand to order some.... guess I'll re-think this one. Mark aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: >> I sure have found myself stumped over something recently. We set up a >> lab and used one of the TrendNet switches we like. It has 24 10/100 >> ports and two gigabit ports. >> When the server is uplinked to the switch through the gig port, the >> clients hang at Doing the Pivot Root. > > > Hi, > I just went through this issue with some amer.com gig switches and IBM > x206 Intel gig ethernet cards. Don't pull your hair out, find another > switch. Amer.com support has not contacted me back yet about this issue. > It is NOT your k12LTSP install. > I wish I had and answer, > Tom Ventresco > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Aug 25 13:17:12 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:17:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple more Samba/LDAP questions Message-ID: <430DC4D8.6000106@honeygroveisd.net> Two things: Can someone tell me the command to unlock a user account that's locked after repeated bad login attempts? And, is there a way to set a particular account so that it can't be locked out at all? I await great wisdom. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The real name of the "I've fallen and I can't get up" lady is Edith Fore. From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Aug 25 13:30:01 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:30:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FC? Message-ID: <45604.216.229.68.126.1124976601.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> What do I need to run to find what version of Fedora Core I am using? I started with 1, but I am not sure what I have updated to. BK -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 25 13:30:57 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:30:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC? In-Reply-To: <45604.216.229.68.126.1124976601.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <45604.216.229.68.126.1124976601.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <430DC811.1040309@maltzen.net> cat /etc/issue Brandon Kovach wrote: > What do I need to run to find what version of Fedora Core I am using? I > started with 1, but I am not sure what I have updated to. > > BK > > > From oh207 at netzero.net Thu Aug 25 13:45:52 2005 From: oh207 at netzero.net (Onkar Harry) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:45:52 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] FC? Message-ID: <20050825.064604.8755.142982@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Aug 25 14:05:28 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:05:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading Message-ID: <49838.216.229.68.126.1124978728.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> I am trying to get out k12 server to authenticate and mount home directories from our Netware server. First I ended up in dependency problems trying to get the ncpfs package to install. Now I am wondering if our servers need to be upgraded to FC4 to accomplish this. They are FC1 right now. Do I need to purchase a Redhat Authentication code to accomplish this? BK Life is a race. Don't lose. From Michael_Picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Thu Aug 25 14:40:24 2005 From: Michael_Picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Michael Picone) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:40:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 18, Issue 37 In-Reply-To: <20050825020109.66E50734C5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050825020109.66E50734C5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: >> Not an XP enthusiast..but I've not found(other than a live-cd) a distro >> of linux that is WAY easier to install than XP ;)... >> does it NOT ask you questions about time, networking, username, >> partitions, packages? (have not tried Ubuntu yet, waiting for a final >> release) Try Mepis Linux. Or Xandros, or Linspire (formerly Lindows), or Lycoris, etc. Mike Picone "Wait a minute, Doc. Ah... 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URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 16:26:39 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:26:39 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems With SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805082409234d9b1d32@mail.gmail.com> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF6B7C99@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <92de6c88050824043346efb751@mail.gmail.com> <430C9AD7.8000805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c8805082409234d9b1d32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c8805082509264b4e8b8f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/05, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 8/24/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > How quick are you guys going to put out a bug fix release? I could build > > packages that include these updated files, but if you are going to have > > a new release out soon I'll just wait. > > Eric, > We'll try to get it out tomorrow. I'll ping you when it is done. > > So Bruce, if you want to ignore my baroque upgrade/bugfix > instructions, we should have a properly patched RPM by Friday. Hrm. Apparently the only people who know how to package our releases are traveling and offline, so it might be a few more days before we can do a bugfix release. --Tom From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 25 16:51:05 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:51:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> Message-ID: <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> I've been using the Amer.com switches for 2 yrs now without a problem... http://amer.com/catalogue/asr24g2.html that is the switch I use... the SR24G2... 24 ports of 10/100 and 2 ports of 10/100/1000 works like a dream. --Huck Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Same here, I just put in two dell 2724 gig switches. Had the same issue. > I have a weak theory though, I think it has something to do with the > managed portion of the switch. I did a hard reset to one of the switches > and now it works. I tried to apply the same process to the other switch, > it still didn't work. Thanks for the tip on the amer.com gig switches, I > have A P.O. in hand to order some.... guess I'll re-think this one. > Mark > > aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: > >>> I sure have found myself stumped over something recently. We set up a >>> lab and used one of the TrendNet switches we like. It has 24 10/100 >>> ports and two gigabit ports. >>> When the server is uplinked to the switch through the gig port, the >>> clients hang at Doing the Pivot Root. >> >> >> >> Hi, >> I just went through this issue with some amer.com gig switches and IBM >> x206 Intel gig ethernet cards. Don't pull your hair out, find another >> switch. Amer.com support has not contacted me back yet about this issue. >> It is NOT your k12LTSP install. >> I wish I had and answer, >> Tom Ventresco >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Aug 25 15:46:20 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:46:20 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20upgrading?= Message-ID: I'm running K12ltsp V3.2 and authenticating to Netware 6.5. Take a look at this site for a quick answer. http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm For something longer, here is my wiki page : http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/InterOperability%3ANovellAuthenticationforK12LTSP And here is the latest twist: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Novell%20authentication%20with%20synchronized%20UID%2CGID%20and%20no%20home%20directory%20on%20LTSP%20server So the short answer is no, you do not need to upgrade or purchase RedHat authentification. >>> bkovach at logrog.net 2005-08-25 10:05:28 >>> I am trying to get out k12 server to authenticate and mount home directories from our Netware server. First I ended up in dependency problems trying to get the ncpfs package to install. Now I am wondering if our servers need to be upgraded to FC4 to accomplish this. They are FC1 right now. Do I need to purchase a Redhat Authentication code to accomplish this? BK Life is a race. 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Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:55:29 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> On Thursday 25 August 2005 06:51 am, Huck wrote: > I've been using the Amer.com switches for 2 yrs now without a problem... > > http://amer.com/catalogue/asr24g2.html > > that is the switch I use... the SR24G2... > 24 ports of 10/100 and 2 ports of 10/100/1000 > > works like a dream. > > --Huck > > Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > Same here, I just put in two dell 2724 gig switches. Had the same issue. > > I have a weak theory though, I think it has something to do with the > > managed portion of the switch. I did a hard reset to one of the switches > > and now it works. I tried to apply the same process to the other switch, > > it still didn't work. Thanks for the tip on the amer.com gig switches, I > > have A P.O. in hand to order some.... guess I'll re-think this one. > > Mark > > > > aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> I just went through this issue with some amer.com gig switches and IBM > >> x206 Intel gig ethernet cards. Don't pull your hair out, find another > >> switch. Amer.com support has not contacted me back yet about this issue. > >> It is NOT your k12LTSP install. > >> I wish I had and answer, > >> Tom Ventresco Thanks for the input and empathy. It is exasperating but making more sense. FWIW, several schools here have the amer.com switches in production, and they are great. Several schools here have trendnets, the 48 port model, and they work great. It seems to be a function of certain switches and the negotiation between the gig port and the 10/100 bank. >From what I gather, the hang occurs when NFS is trying to pass the kernel. We had a smart fellow, Tim, help us at this particular install, and he observed with netstat and a few other utilities that the server had made the NFS connection with the client. Still smelling switch. On hand we have another trendnet 24 port 10/100 with 2 gig uplinks, but the model is slightly different than the similar but troublesome unit. I will check this variable to see if it is simply something in the engineering of some less expensive managed, or shall we say mismanaged, switches. --scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 25 20:34:57 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:34:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings Message-ID: <430E2B71.8000400@inlandlakes.org> I'm sure this has been brought up 1000 times -- but I don't remember the answer... I'm switching from transparent to authenticated proxy this year (need to track names... ugh) -- is there a way to "push" firefox proxy settings to every user, or must I somehow log in as all 1100 students and change by hand? Thanks for any pointers, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Aug 25 20:43:03 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:43:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings In-Reply-To: <430E2B71.8000400@inlandlakes.org> References: <430E2B71.8000400@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <430E2D57.50904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> You could use a proxy.pac file Have a look this link to some instructions I've used http://forum.censornet.com/viewtopic.php?t=1281 I've not actually used it in anger but it was quite easy to setup. Brian Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm sure this has been brought up 1000 times -- but I don't remember the > answer... > > I'm switching from transparent to authenticated proxy this year (need to > track names... ugh) -- is there a way to "push" firefox proxy settings > to every user, or must I somehow log in as all 1100 students and change > by hand? > > Thanks for any pointers, > -Shawn > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu Aug 25 20:50:53 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:50:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs Message-ID: <200508252047.j7PKlJA01563@www.mi-spot.com> Hello all, I've just gotten two mac G3/266mhz machines I would like to try and get going on my k12ltsp network. I'm running 4.4.0 of k12ltsp. When I power up the mac, I just can't seem to get it to boot from the network. I've tried holding down the n key while booting (I held it down when powering on), I googled and found that I might try open apple+option+o+f (again, while powering on). I've also tried holding several other combinations of all these with no luck. These things take 2 or 3 minutes to get to the "welcome to mac os 9.2" screen. My questions are: Am I holding down the wrong buttons? At the wrong time? What's the correct combination? When can I tell if I'm successful or not? Should I see that stupid smiling mac? All help is greatly welcome. Thanks, Eric Viva la Open Source! From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 25 20:57:20 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:57:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings In-Reply-To: <430E2D57.50904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <430E2B71.8000400@inlandlakes.org> <430E2D57.50904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <430E30B0.8050903@inlandlakes.org> Brian Chivers wrote: > You could use a proxy.pac file I think I would still have to log in 1100 times and set from "Direct Connection (the default)" to "automatic configure" -- or am I wrong? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 25 20:55:38 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:55:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1125003337.11984.79.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 14:55, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Thanks for the input and empathy. It is exasperating but making more sense. > FWIW, several schools here have the amer.com switches in production, and they > are great. Several schools here have trendnets, the 48 port model, and they > work great. It seems to be a function of certain switches and the > negotiation between the gig port and the 10/100 bank. You can check the server uplink with mii-tool or ethtool. If the switch is managed, you normally want to leave the negotiation settings on auto - otherwise the other end won't negotiate either and you have to force both sides to match. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Aug 25 21:08:40 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:08:40 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings In-Reply-To: <430E2B71.8000400@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050825110840.e29aba3c@trunks> Try edit the file below (all.js). Only problem with this is that everytime firefox has a new version update you need to manually edit all.js again. Other then that it will update all firefox proxy settings for all users. :) Replace 192.168.2.254 & 8080 with your proxy server IP & port. ***Firefox Proxy setting [/usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/greprefs/all.js]*** pref("network.proxy.type", 1); pref("network.proxy.ftp", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.gopher", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.http", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.ssl", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.socks", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Powers To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:34:57 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings > I'm sure this has been brought up 1000 times -- but I don't remember the > answer... > > I'm switching from transparent to authenticated proxy this year (need to > track names... ugh) -- is there a way to "push" firefox proxy settings > to every user, or must I somehow log in as all 1100 students and change > by hand? > > Thanks for any pointers, > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Aug 25 21:02:30 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:02:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxy settings In-Reply-To: <430E30B0.8050903@inlandlakes.org> References: <430E2B71.8000400@inlandlakes.org> <430E2D57.50904@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <430E30B0.8050903@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <430E31E6.4090300@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Shawn Powers wrote: > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> You could use a proxy.pac file > > > I think I would still have to log in 1100 times and set from "Direct > Connection (the default)" to "automatic configure" -- or am I wrong? > > Thanks, > -Shawn Unfortunately unless you can workout a way of sending all.js to all users then yes !!!!! In a thin client enviroment this shouldn't be that hard with some scripting. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Aug 25 21:47:00 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:47:00 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs Message-ID: <200508260002.j7Q029R29018@downeast.net> if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot..it is probably possible to do chubby client with a kernel on the mac hard drive..but i dont know of anyone doing it..i played long enough to find the mklinux boot loadr wont work..chuck\ > Hello all, > > I've just gotten two mac G3/266mhz machines I would like to try and get > going on my k12ltsp network. I'm running 4.4.0 of k12ltsp. > > When I power up the mac, I just can't seem to get it to boot from the > network. I've tried holding down the n key while booting (I held it down > when powering on), I googled and found that I might try open > apple+option+o+f (again, while powering on). I've also tried holding > several other combinations of all these with no luck. > > These things take 2 or 3 minutes to get to the "welcome to mac os 9.2" > screen. > > My questions are: > > Am I holding down the wrong buttons? At the wrong time? What's the correct > combination? > > When can I tell if I'm successful or not? Should I see that stupid smiling > mac? > > All help is greatly welcome. > Thanks, > Eric > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Aug 25 22:06:32 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] struggling with sound Message-ID: <33042.163.41.147.56.1125007592.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Colleagues- I have a couple new LTSP installations and I am having a heck of a time getting sound to work on the terminals. They are installed using some 4.4 pre2 discs, and have been upgraded to the latest everyhting using the defaults repositories in synaptic. No sound cards locally installed, nor can there be. The terminals have via82xx sound chips built-in on the motherboards. I edited lts.conf to use ESD and load the appropriate modules. The modules seem to be loading correctly and ESD starts without error. Listing the processes running on the terminal from the second vt shows that esd is running. When I run "aumix-minimal -q" it returns information about the mixer levels that seems appropriate; everything is set to either 75% or 67%. Everything seems to be in order. When I try "esdplay /usr/share/sounds/cardshuffle.wav" I get no sound, but it takes a little bit to return which makes me believe the sound is going "somewhere" and the program isn't just failing. I can duplicate these results with either the 2.4-based terminal kernel or the 2.6 one. I have not tried the progress patch kernel on the terminals yet. I have noticed that there doesn't seem to be any sort of ESD daemon running on the server itself. Should there be? Should gnome be set to start the sound server at startup? I am somewhat at a loss at this point and would appreciate any pointers anyone could give. What else should I check? -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 25 22:08:34 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:08:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Job opening: System Administrator/Developer Message-ID: <430E4162.3060600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I know the vast majority of you are not in the Portland Metro area, but I thought you all would be happy to hear that the K12LTSP development headquarters is hiring some fresh blood... -Eric The Technology Services department of Multnomah Education Service District (MESD) has an opening for a Systems Administrator/Developer. MESD Technology Services is a fun, challenging, creative place to work. We constantly develop new and innovative approaches to expand and enhance our services while controlling costs. Schools' budgets keep shrinking while demands for technology keep growing. Our team's job is to provide a big bang for a reasonable buck. MESD covers a lot of ground. In the backend, we are predominately Linux with a little HP-UX and Solaris. Internal applications are written in Python/PHP/Perl with Postgres and Oracle databases. MESD has a large and fast wide area network covering 80 sites with 100Mbps or greater connectivity. MESD and partners provide ISP services to over 250,000 staff and students. The schools we support are highly heterogeneous, with a mix of MacIntosh, Windows, and Linux. This is an environment where talented, friendly, flexible, creative, problem-solving people thrive. The job description and application are available at: http://www.mesd.k12.or.us/hr/jobopp/systemsadmindevelop08_05.pdf The pay scale starts somewhere around $50k/yr with excellent benefits. This is a non-salaried, 40 hour/week position eligible for overtime, paid leaves and vacation, and donuts every Friday. Application deadline is September 2nd. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Aug 26 00:52:45 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:52:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users Message-ID: <430E67DD.1050904@elp.rr.com> We have a couple of small servers on our campus that are servicing two or three classrooms each. Is there a way to allow a teacher to add and remove users from a specific user group without allowing the teacher into root? If there is a way please send detailed instructions on how to set this up. Thanks Pat From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 26 01:05:41 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:05:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs In-Reply-To: <200508260002.j7Q029R29018@downeast.net> References: <200508260002.j7Q029R29018@downeast.net> Message-ID: <430E6AE5.6090800@inlandlakes.org> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. Even the original Bondi iMacs will netboot. I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed 4.4.0 pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac to boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), I can't get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? Maybe Jim Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point to the new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried copying all the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no glory. I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC server? I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black screen with text as soon as it gets the kernel. If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the chubby client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac 5500's in service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and do an X -query command to connect to the server. I even mangled around the esd stuff, and they have sound support too. I haven't messed with them for over a year though, so I'm a little rusty. Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of us, I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since you're not alone. (mine won't work either yet) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Aug 26 02:08:44 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:08:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs In-Reply-To: <200508260002.j7Q029R29018@downeast.net> References: <200508260002.j7Q029R29018@downeast.net> Message-ID: <430E79AC.7090805@cmosnetworks.com> Yellow Dog Linux works with 5400's doing this. I used YDL 2.3. --TP cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot..it is >probably possible to do chubby client with a kernel on the mac hard >drive..but i dont know of anyone doing it..i played long enough to find the >mklinux boot loadr wont work..chuck\ > > > >>Hello all, >> >>I've just gotten two mac G3/266mhz machines I would like to try and get >>going on my k12ltsp network. I'm running 4.4.0 of k12ltsp. >> >>When I power up the mac, I just can't seem to get it to boot from the >>network. I've tried holding down the n key while booting (I held it down >>when powering on), I googled and found that I might try open >>apple+option+o+f (again, while powering on). I've also tried holding >>several other combinations of all these with no luck. >> >>These things take 2 or 3 minutes to get to the "welcome to mac os 9.2" >>screen. >> >>My questions are: >> >>Am I holding down the wrong buttons? At the wrong time? What's the correct >>combination? >> >>When can I tell if I'm successful or not? Should I see that stupid smiling >>mac? >> >>All help is greatly welcome. >>Thanks, >>Eric >> >>Viva la Open Source! >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From haysja at sages.us Fri Aug 26 01:10:30 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:10:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users In-Reply-To: <430E67DD.1050904@elp.rr.com> References: <430E67DD.1050904@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1125018630.430e6c06d9246@sages.us> You should be able to do this with Webmin. Quoting "John P. Conlon" : > We have a couple of small servers on our campus that are servicing two > or three classrooms each. Is there a way to allow a teacher to add and > remove users from a specific user group without allowing the teacher > into root? If there is a way please send detailed instructions on how > to set this up. > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 26 02:35:53 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:35:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding users Message-ID: <20050825193553.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.69b21c7eab.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 26 03:16:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:16:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help Message-ID: Hey folks, I still need some help with the whole IceWM as the default in gdm on K12LTSP 4.4 (FC 4). Things have changed and you can't simply go into the config file and set DefaultDesktop=icewm.desktop as it won't really be the System Default. I've followed a couple of the suggestions earlier, but they either take everything away except IceWM...(I'd still like to be able to get to Gnome for some management stuff) or they don't really make IceWM the default for the System. In fact, taking away all privileges for gnome.desktop and kde.desktop (chmod a-wrx) made them show up in the Session chooser at Login as "foo"....I had a whole list of "foo's". So....problem #1....I need to make IceWM the default while still leaving the door open for me to connect to Gnome once in a while to do some admin stuff like printers etc. (sometimes the GUI is nice) I want the kids to not have to make a choice, but to simply have the session log in to IceWM unless they go out of their way to choose Gnome or Reset Desktop (which they won't). Problem #2...Is there some way to clean up the Session chooser on the login screen? I have multiple instances of IceWM, Gnome, and so forth....not to mention the "foo's".....I'd like to clean it up...this is easy to do in KDM....can it be done in GDM? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 26 03:53:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:53:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] struggling with sound In-Reply-To: <33042.163.41.147.56.1125007592.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> References: <33042.163.41.147.56.1125007592.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Run (in terminal as root) gstreamer-properties Set it for ESD if it isn't qhartman at lane.k12.or.us on Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 6:06 PM +0000 wrote: >Colleagues- > I have a couple new LTSP installations and I am having a heck of a >time getting sound to work on the terminals. They are installed using >some 4.4 pre2 discs, and have been upgraded to the latest everyhting >using the defaults repositories in synaptic. No sound cards locally >installed, nor can there be. > The terminals have via82xx sound chips built-in on the motherboards. I >edited lts.conf to use ESD and load the appropriate modules. The >modules seem to be loading correctly and ESD starts without error. >Listing the processes running on the terminal from the second vt shows >that esd is running. When I run "aumix-minimal -q" it returns >information about the mixer levels that seems appropriate; everything >is set to either 75% or 67%. Everything seems to be in order. When I >try "esdplay /usr/share/sounds/cardshuffle.wav" I get no sound, but it >takes a little bit to return which makes me believe the sound is going >"somewhere" and the program isn't just failing. I can duplicate these >results with either the 2.4-based terminal kernel or the 2.6 one. I >have not tried the progress patch kernel on the terminals yet. > I have noticed that there doesn't seem to be any sort of ESD daemon >running on the server itself. Should there be? Should gnome be set to >start the sound server at startup? > I am somewhat at a loss at this point and would appreciate any >pointers anyone could give. What else should I check? > >-- >-Regards- > >Quentin Hartman >Technology Coordinator >South Lane School District >Cottage Grove, Oregon >V (541)767-3778 >F (541)767-3041 >www.slane.k12.or.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz Fri Aug 26 04:26:29 2005 From: sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:26:29 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot using PRO200 NICs on 4.2.1-6; wrong module loaded In-Reply-To: <96EC184F-2FCD-416D-A643-5D98183088C0@shineonline.co.nz> References: <96EC184F-2FCD-416D-A643-5D98183088C0@shineonline.co.nz> Message-ID: <60BDB9E2-96EF-44AA-B7C2-C8DA5AB30239@shineonline.co.nz> Hi All, To answer my own question.. in case someone else has a similar issue These links were really helpful http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ PXE#pxelinux_0_and_how_to_find_a_con http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions#PXE I ended up with a "default" file like this label linux kernel vmlinuz.ltsp append root=/dev/ram0 rw init=/linuxrc initrd=initrd.lts NIC=dmfe On 18/08/2005, at 10:28 AM, Stephen wrote: > Hi All > > I'm setting up a new system with K12LTSP distribution, release > 4.2.1-6. > > The problem is with PXE booting from PCs with CNET PRO200 NICs. The > new system is trying to use the tulip.o module and falls over with > "ERROR! dhcpcd failed!". I want to use the *dmfe.o* module which > works on the existing K12LTSP 3.1.0-0a system and is what I've > always used with these cards. > > Question: > How do I force a particular module to be selected for a terminal, > for instance I want to force all my PCs with Pro200 NICs to use the > dmfe.o module and not the tulip.o module. > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Aug 26 04:30:37 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:30:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs In-Reply-To: <430E6AE5.6090800@inlandlakes.org> References: <200508260002.j7Q029R29018@downeast.net> <430E6AE5.6090800@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050826042524.M62534@winonacotter.org> > If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. > Even the original Bondi iMacs will netboot. > > I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed I am guessing that at 266mhz these are a fruity colored iMac. The next generation above a Bondi (maybe indigo, blueberry, flower power, etc). These should boot fine. If all else fails be sure to check the ppc/lts.conf like Shawn suggested for the right IP. Then boot with cmd+option+o+f and hold them until you get to a command prompt. Then type the following at the prompt "boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot" without the quotes of course and hit enter (if you are not using the default IP also swap the 192 IP with yours). Let us know if it boots with this method. I am guessing that if this is a fruity iMac you may boot successfully until X goes to load then get a XF86Config error. There should be a custom XF86Config.Indigo sitting in the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/ directory. If needed I (or someone else) can get you instructions on getting this to work. If this method works we can also give you the commands to make this permanent. The boot enet only works for the current boot unless you write it to firmware. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 05:20:51 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:20:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/25/05, David Trask wrote: > Hey folks, > > I still need some help with the whole IceWM as the default in gdm on > K12LTSP 4.4 (FC 4). Things have changed and you can't simply go into the > config file and set DefaultDesktop=icewm.desktop as it won't really be the > System Default. I've followed a couple of the suggestions earlier, but > they either take everything away except IceWM...(I'd still like to be able > to get to Gnome for some management stuff) if you followed my previous post you can block everything except icewm. Hence /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM will be executed for everyone. Now all you need to do is figure out your UID. Lets pretend your UID is 500. Stick this if [ $UID -eq 500 ];then exec /usr/bin/gnome-session exit 0 fi at the beginning of etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM so you will be the only one who gets in using GNOME. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Aug 26 10:39:31 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:39:31 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs Message-ID: <200508261254.j7QCsa628016@downeast.net> perhaps the wrong style keyboard??seems like i switched to or from sb keyboard.. > Yellow Dog Linux works with 5400's doing this. I used YDL 2.3. > > --TP > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot..it is > >probably possible to do chubby client with a kernel on the mac hard > >drive..but i dont know of anyone doing it..i played long enough to find the > >mklinux boot loadr wont work..chuck\ > > > > > > > >>Hello all, > >> > >>I've just gotten two mac G3/266mhz machines I would like to try and get > >>going on my k12ltsp network. I'm running 4.4.0 of k12ltsp. > >> > >>When I power up the mac, I just can't seem to get it to boot from the > >>network. I've tried holding down the n key while booting (I held it down > >>when powering on), I googled and found that I might try open > >>apple+option+o+f (again, while powering on). I've also tried holding > >>several other combinations of all these with no luck. > >> > >>These things take 2 or 3 minutes to get to the "welcome to mac os 9.2" > >>screen. > >> > >>My questions are: > >> > >>Am I holding down the wrong buttons? At the wrong time? What's the correct > >>combination? > >> > >>When can I tell if I'm successful or not? Should I see that stupid smiling > >>mac? > >> > >>All help is greatly welcome. > >>Thanks, > >>Eric > >> > >>Viva la Open Source! > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > -- > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Aug 26 10:54:43 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:54:43 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help Message-ID: <200508261309.j7QD9m600225@downeast.net> anyone have a quickie fix for moving .openoffice.org1.9.100 folders to all users so they have my defaults..without an error concernng ownership.it works fine if you just answer the prompt and go on..just not clean.i take one working .openoffice folder from a user that works perfectly remove the lock file and give it to everyone..where is that ownership temporarily stored in the folder??chuck > On 8/25/05, David Trask wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > I still need some help with the whole IceWM as the default in gdm on > > K12LTSP 4.4 (FC 4). Things have changed and you can't simply go into the > > config file and set DefaultDesktop=icewm.desktop as it won't really be the > > System Default. I've followed a couple of the suggestions earlier, but > > they either take everything away except IceWM...(I'd still like to be able > > to get to Gnome for some management stuff) > > if you followed my previous post you can block everything except icewm. Hence > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM > will be executed for everyone. > Now all you need to do is figure out your UID. Lets pretend your UID > is 500. Stick this > > if [ $UID -eq 500 ];then > exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > exit 0 > fi > > at the beginning of etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM so you will be the only > one who gets in using GNOME. > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Aug 26 10:55:23 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:55:23 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] .openoffice (sorry about last... Message-ID: <200508261310.j7QDAQ600312@downeast.net> anyone have a quickie fix for moving .openoffice.org1.9.100 folders to all users so they have my defaults..without an error concernng ownership.it works fine if you just answer the prompt and go on..just not clean.i take one working .openoffice folder from a user that works perfectly remove the lock file and give it to everyone..where is that ownership temporarily stored in the folder??chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From aust_txv at access-k12.org Fri Aug 26 11:59:28 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> Hold on folks :), Let's not start a holy war. I am also using the amer.com SR24G2 switch and they work great. BUT the amer.com SGR24 24port 10/100/1000 (48gig of backplane :) :)) does not work with amer.com's own c1110-32 gig NIC or the onboard Intel gig NIC on the IBMx206 (P4 3.2-hyper) with K12LTSP 4.4. On a default install of k12LTSP 4.4 I get the root-pivot issue Scott is dealing with...My suggestion stands, get the amer.com SR24G2 it does work - - I have 80 thins on three servers using the SR24G2 and I think I can go about 10 more :) ICEwm :) Sadly it does not have the baclplane of the SGR24... Get this, going from a k12LTSP server gig nic to the gig uplink on the SR24G2 them out of the other gig port on the same SR24G2 switch to any GIG port on the SGR24 - - works like a charm :) Is that strange ? Going straight into a SGR24 fails ( pivot root NFS error ). Very strange. I thought amer.com was pro thins and linux ? Their tech support has not helped. Deer in the head lights. Hope everyone has a good start up, Tom Ventresco From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Aug 26 12:18:17 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:18:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> Message-ID: <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> Tom Ventresco wrote: >Hold on folks :), >Let's not start a holy war. I am also using the amer.com SR24G2 switch and >they work great. BUT the amer.com SGR24 24port 10/100/1000 (48gig of >backplane :) :)) does not work with amer.com's own c1110-32 gig NIC or the >onboard Intel gig NIC on the IBMx206 (P4 3.2-hyper) with K12LTSP 4.4. On >a default install of k12LTSP 4.4 I get the root-pivot issue Scott is >dealing with...My suggestion stands, get the amer.com SR24G2 it does work >- - I have 80 thins on three servers using the SR24G2 and I think I can go >about 10 more :) ICEwm :) Sadly it does not have the baclplane of the >SGR24... > >Get this, going from a k12LTSP server gig nic to the gig uplink on the >SR24G2 them out of the other gig port on the same SR24G2 switch to any GIG >port on the SGR24 - - works like a charm :) Is that strange ? Going >straight into a SGR24 fails ( pivot root NFS error ). Very strange. I >thought amer.com was pro thins and linux ? Their tech support has not >helped. Deer in the head lights. > >Hope everyone has a good start up, > >Tom Ventresco > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > A good guy to call is Mark Wilhelm. He might be able to assist you. As it happens, I too have a SGR24, and I use the C1110 NIC (64-bit PCI version). My other K12LTSP server (I've got two demo boxes that I use) uses the Broadcom built-in Gig-E port. I haven't tried out the new K12LTSP 4.4, but I have tried out K12LTSP 4.2.1 on both of them, and it works just great. Same with K12LTSP 3.1.2; it works fine with the SGR24. Have you tried it out with any version previous to 4.4? BTW, if you're looking at a switch to support lots of users, I have also used the SR48G2i with very good results. It's essentially a Catalyst 3548XL without Cisco's high price. That's the switch I'm using to netboot my Sun Ultra 5's, and, as you might expect of any switch, it works very well w/ x86 and PMac clients as well. Remember that your thin clients don't need, and in my observation will not use, any more than about 73Mb/sec, so you need enough backplane to support many 100BaseTX connections and a few Gig-E ones. You don't need the backplane of the SGR24 for only 24 ports of LTSP clients. With any decent Gig-E switch, your server's NIC will become the bottleneck long before your switch backplane does. The one problem with Amer.com switches, and why we don't use them at work, is that they don't support either GVRP or (Cisco-proprietary) VTP, which matters if you're dealing with larger, many-switch networks that use multiple VLANs like we do. Our schools typically have 20-switch LANs and at least three VLANs per site. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From webmaster at vol.org Fri Aug 26 13:04:58 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:04:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125061498.2295.10.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 22:16, David Trask wrote: > I still need some help with the whole IceWM as the default in gdm on > K12LTSP 4.4 (FC 4). Things have changed and you can't simply go into the > config file and set DefaultDesktop=icewm.desktop as it won't really be the > System Default. I used the following to do what you want: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Forcing%20IceWM%20as%20the%20default%20under%20GDM%20in%20Fedora http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm The session menu in GDM shows only IceWM, Default System Session and Failsafe Terminal. I just discovered that if one picks Default System Session that it dumps the user right back at the GDM screen. Creating a .xsession file in the user's home directory containing "exec icewm" starts icewm when selecting Default System Session, but it does not run any of my custom login scripts. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From webmaster at vol.org Fri Aug 26 13:08:28 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:08:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] .openoffice (sorry about last... In-Reply-To: <200508261310.j7QDAQ600312@downeast.net> References: <200508261310.j7QDAQ600312@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1125061708.2295.13.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 05:55, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > anyone have a quickie fix for moving .openoffice.org1.9.100 folders to all > users so they have my defaults..without an error concernng ownership.it > works fine if you just answer the prompt and go on..just not clean.i take > one working .openoffice folder from a user that works perfectly remove the > lock file and give it to everyone..where is that ownership temporarily > stored in the folder?? See my userprep (and the goldprep / goldmember) scripts: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freesoftware/ltsp/userprep.txt Here's the openoffice bit: ############################################################################### # install openoffice ############################################################################### cd $HOME OO_USER_DIR=".openoffice.org2" if [ ! -d $OO_USER_DIR ]; then cp -a /home/golden/$OO_USER_DIR $OO_USER_DIR chown -R $USER.$USER $OO_USER_DIR cd $OO_USER_DIR find . -type f | xargs perl -pi -e "s/golden/$USER/g;" #xmessage "OpenOffice installation: COMPLETE" & fi -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 26 13:39:00 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:39:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help In-Reply-To: <1125061498.2295.10.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1125061498.2295.10.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: I know this works with earlier versions as I too have used it, but can you verify that it works with FC4 or K12LTSP 4.4? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, August 26, 2005 at 9:04 AM +0000 wrote: >I used the following to do what you want: > >http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Forcing%20IceWM%20as%20the%20default%20under%20GDM%20in%20Fedora > >http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm > >The session menu in GDM shows only IceWM, Default System Session and >Failsafe Terminal. > >I just discovered that if one picks Default System Session that it dumps >the user right back at the GDM screen. Creating a .xsession file in the >user's home directory containing "exec icewm" starts icewm when >selecting Default System Session, but it does not run any of my custom >login scripts. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From webmaster at vol.org Fri Aug 26 13:37:40 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:37:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help In-Reply-To: References: <1125061498.2295.10.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1125063460.2295.18.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 08:39, David Trask wrote: > I know this works with earlier versions as I too have used it, but can you > verify that it works with FC4 or K12LTSP 4.4? That's what I'm using. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Aug 26 14:38:08 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:38:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs In-Reply-To: <430E6AE5.6090800@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200508261434.j7QEYOA28374@www.mi-spot.com> This information was most helpful. Thanks Shawn The G3 I had was the beige all-in-one model. Unfortunatly, that's what we have throughout our district. I'll see if I can't have one to try out yellow dog. Now, I've gotten an eMac, white egg-shell type machine, that runs OS X pretty well. I held down the N key when it booted, and I got a flashing tile with a globe in the middle of the screen for a few minutes, then it booted into OS X. I then tried to change the startup disk to a net boot, restarted, and got the same thing. I checked the lts.conf file, and the second or third line does state that the server is the correct address (the default of 192.168.0.254. Can I have BOTH x86 pc's and ppc's running on my ltsp network at the same time? I've also got 20-some old gateways running ltsp so I know my dhcp is working. Thanks again, Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. Even the original Bondi iMacs will netboot. I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed 4.4.0 pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac to boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), I can't get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? Maybe Jim Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point to the new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried copying all the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no glory. I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC server? I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black screen with text as soon as it gets the kernel. If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the chubby client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac 5500's in service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and do an X -query command to connect to the server. I even mangled around the esd stuff, and they have sound support too. I haven't messed with them for over a year though, so I'm a little rusty. Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of us, I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since you're not alone. (mine won't work either yet) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 26 15:02:33 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:02:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Job opening: System Administrator/Developer In-Reply-To: <430E4162.3060600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <430E4162.3060600@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <430F2F09.40309@paasda.org> Woah!...donuts every friday make get me to apply!!! =) --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > > I know the vast majority of you are not in the Portland Metro area, but > I thought you all would be happy to hear that the K12LTSP development > headquarters is hiring some fresh blood... > > -Eric > > > > > The Technology Services department of Multnomah Education Service > District (MESD) has an opening for a Systems Administrator/Developer. > > MESD Technology Services is a fun, challenging, creative place to work. > We constantly develop new and innovative approaches to expand and > enhance our services while controlling costs. Schools' budgets keep > shrinking while demands for technology keep growing. Our team's job is > to provide a big bang for a reasonable buck. > > MESD covers a lot of ground. In the backend, we are predominately Linux > with a little HP-UX and Solaris. Internal applications are written in > Python/PHP/Perl with Postgres and Oracle databases. MESD has a large and > fast wide area network covering 80 sites with 100Mbps or greater > connectivity. MESD and partners provide ISP services to over 250,000 > staff and students. The schools we support are highly heterogeneous, > with a mix of MacIntosh, Windows, and Linux. > > This is an environment where talented, friendly, flexible, creative, > problem-solving people thrive. > > The job description and application are available at: > http://www.mesd.k12.or.us/hr/jobopp/systemsadmindevelop08_05.pdf > > The pay scale starts somewhere around $50k/yr with excellent benefits. > This is a non-salaried, 40 hour/week position eligible for overtime, > paid leaves and vacation, and donuts every Friday. > > Application deadline is September 2nd. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 26 15:04:16 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:04:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs In-Reply-To: <200508261434.j7QEYOA28374@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200508261434.j7QEYOA28374@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <430F2F70.5060707@maltzen.net> The flashing tile with the globe means it's trying to netboot. When it is working correctly on my one Mac (sheesh, give the guy a Mac and suddenly he's an authority on it ;-)) the tile blinks only once or twice, and then starts booting from the server. Initially, it wasn't working for me, with the tile blinking for several minutes, just like yours, because I don't use the default 192.168.0.x addressing, but the ppc lts file does. When I changed the addressing in the ppc lts.conf file, it started working. So, lots of words to say that it sounds like your Mac isn't finding the server. To answer your last question, yes, you can have your server booting both x86 and ppc clients at the same time. I love showing that off to people, demonstrating how flexible Linux is. Petre Eric Brown wrote: > This information was most helpful. Thanks Shawn > > The G3 I had was the beige all-in-one model. Unfortunatly, that's what we > have throughout our district. I'll see if I can't have one to try out > yellow dog. > > Now, I've gotten an eMac, white egg-shell type machine, that runs OS X > pretty well. I held down the N key when it booted, and I got a flashing > tile with a globe in the middle of the screen for a few minutes, then it > booted into OS X. I then tried to change the startup disk to a net boot, > restarted, and got the same thing. > > I checked the lts.conf file, and the second or third line does state that > the server is the correct address (the default of 192.168.0.254. > > Can I have BOTH x86 pc's and ppc's running on my ltsp network at the same > time? I've also got 20-some old gateways running ltsp so I know my dhcp is > working. > > Thanks again, > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:06 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >>if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot > > > If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. Even the > original Bondi iMacs will netboot. > > I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed 4.4.0 > pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac to > boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), I can't > get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? Maybe Jim > Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point to the > new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. > Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried copying all > the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no glory. > I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to > troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. > > Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC server? > I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. > And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black screen with > text as soon as it gets the kernel. > > If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the chubby > client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac 5500's in > service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and do an X -query > command to connect to the server. I even mangled around the esd stuff, and > they have sound support too. I haven't messed with them for over a year > though, so I'm a little rusty. > > Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of us, > I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since you're not > alone. (mine won't work either yet) > > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- The views, opinions, > visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular > insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or > imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored > completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 26 16:11:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:11:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default session....figured out the easy way...here it is Message-ID: Ok....a combination of incorrect case and paths led to much of my frustration, but I now have it figured out and it's easy....here goes If you want to isolate IceWM or set IceWM as the default session...etc. in GDM....here's the clean and easy way to do it. First....go to and edit your gdm.conf file # nano /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf Then find the section (near lines 111 - 115) that look like this.... #SessionDesktopDir=/etc/X11/sessions/:/etc/X11/dm/Sessions/:/usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/:/usr/share/xsessions/ # This is the default .desktop session. One of the ones in SessionDesktopDir DefaultSession=default.desktop change them to look like this...(notice I simply added a new line below SessionDesktopDir so I could use it for reference or fallback) #SessionDesktopDir=/etc/X11/sessions/:/etc/X11/dm/Sessions/:/usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/:/usr/share/xsessions/ SessionDesktopDir=/etc/X11/dm/Sessions/ # This is the default .desktop session. One of the ones in SessionDesktopDir DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop Once that's done...save it and then let's move whatever other sessions we want into the /etc/X11/dm/Sessions directory. For example: I wanted IceWM to be the default, therefore my kids (students) will use that, but I also wanted Gnome available once in awhile for tasks in which I like to use the GUI...such as adding printers. It's also there in case I want to teach the kids something about using GNOME (I could also do it with KDE. So I have chosen to also add GNOME to the list of Session choices...here's how. cd /usr/share/xsessions cp gnome.desktop /etc/X11/dm/Sessions That's it! Whatever is in the /etc/X11/dm/Sessions directory is what will show up and be available in the "Session List" on the login screen....with IceWM as the default. *NOTE: Users who have already logged into Gnome may continue to get Gnome unless they manually select IceWM and select it as the default. The login seems to stick on "last" as the session of choice and if the last was Gnome...then....BUT once they choose IceWM...the problem will not resurface. You can also remove the appropriate files in their home directories and that should reset them as well. Let me know what works in that regard. Now simply restart GDM (either reboot or run...) /usr/sbin/gdm-safe-restart Now check your Session list on the login screen and also the default.....cool huh? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Aug 26 15:58:00 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:58:00 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs Message-ID: <200508261813.j7QID4622748@downeast.net> you need to add the filesystem for maci so you have an /opt/ltsp/ppc folder within that iss an lts.conf that controls terminals video etc.. here is the wiki link with a link for my tarball..chuckl > This information was most helpful. Thanks Shawn > > The G3 I had was the beige all-in-one model. Unfortunatly, that's what we > have throughout our district. I'll see if I can't have one to try out > yellow dog. > > Now, I've gotten an eMac, white egg-shell type machine, that runs OS X > pretty well. I held down the N key when it booted, and I got a flashing > tile with a globe in the middle of the screen for a few minutes, then it > booted into OS X. I then tried to change the startup disk to a net boot, > restarted, and got the same thing. > > I checked the lts.conf file, and the second or third line does state that > the server is the correct address (the default of 192.168.0.254. > > Can I have BOTH x86 pc's and ppc's running on my ltsp network at the same > time? I've also got 20-some old gateways running ltsp so I know my dhcp is > working. > > Thanks again, > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:06 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot > > If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. Even the > original Bondi iMacs will netboot. > > I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed 4.4.0 > pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac to > boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), I can't > get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? Maybe Jim > Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point to the > new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. > Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried copying all > the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no glory. > I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to > troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. > > Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC server? > I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. > And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black screen with > text as soon as it gets the kernel. > > If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the chubby > client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac 5500's in > service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and do an X -query > command to connect to the server. I even mangled around the esd stuff, and > they have sound support too. I haven't messed with them for over a year > though, so I'm a little rusty. > > Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of us, > I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since you're not > alone. (mine won't work either yet) > > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- The views, opinions, > visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular > insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or > imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored > completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Aug 26 15:59:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:59:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs Message-ID: <200508261814.j7QIEf623037@downeast.net> you need to add the filesystem for maci so you have an /opt/ltsp/ppc folder within that iss an lts.conf that controls terminals video etc.. here is the wiki link with a link for my tarball..chuckl if you want to be on the bleeding edge...get yaboot working on those all in one g3s and put the kernel/initrd right on the hard drive..the rest should more or less just work..chuck > This information was most helpful. Thanks Shawn > > The G3 I had was the beige all-in-one model. Unfortunatly, that's what we > have throughout our district. I'll see if I can't have one to try out > yellow dog. > > Now, I've gotten an eMac, white egg-shell type machine, that runs OS X > pretty well. I held down the N key when it booted, and I got a flashing > tile with a globe in the middle of the screen for a few minutes, then it > booted into OS X. I then tried to change the startup disk to a net boot, > restarted, and got the same thing. > > I checked the lts.conf file, and the second or third line does state that > the server is the correct address (the default of 192.168.0.254. > > Can I have BOTH x86 pc's and ppc's running on my ltsp network at the same > time? I've also got 20-some old gateways running ltsp so I know my dhcp is > working. > > Thanks again, > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:06 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot > > If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. Even the > original Bondi iMacs will netboot. > > I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed 4.4.0 > pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac to > boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), I can't > get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? Maybe Jim > Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point to the > new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. > Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried copying all > the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no glory. > I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to > troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. > > Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC server? > I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. > And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black screen with > text as soon as it gets the kernel. > > If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the chubby > client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac 5500's in > service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and do an X -query > command to connect to the server. I even mangled around the esd stuff, and > they have sound support too. I haven't messed with them for over a year > though, so I'm a little rusty. > > Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of us, > I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since you're not > alone. (mine won't work either yet) > > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- The views, opinions, > visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular > insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or > imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored > completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 26 17:42:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:42:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? Message-ID: How can I set either a manual proxy or auto-detect proxy for all users on my K12LTSP box? Is it something can set in a master account that users will pull their inital mozilla prefs from? I'm using DansGuardian with pam_auth this year so I need to set the proxy. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From aust_txv at access-k12.org Fri Aug 26 17:45:54 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (Tom Ventresco) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <51649.10.2.0.50.1125078354.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> > A good guy to call is Mark Wilhelm. He might be able to assist you. > > As it happens, I too have a SGR24, and I use the C1110 NIC (64-bit PCI > version). My other K12LTSP server (I've got two demo boxes that I use) > uses the Broadcom built-in Gig-E port. I haven't tried out the new > K12LTSP 4.4, but I have tried out K12LTSP 4.2.1 on both of them, and it > works just great. Same with K12LTSP 3.1.2; it works fine with the > SGR24. Have you tried it out with any version previous to 4.4? > > BTW, if you're looking at a switch to support lots of users, I have also > used the SR48G2i with very good results. Good stuff TP - I see an SR48G2i in my near future...my racks are packed with 24 port switches. Yes I did try a k12LTSP 4.2 with a the same x206 and it gave the pivot_root nfs issue. BUT a 4.2 or 4.4 on an IBM x205 with the (onboard Broadcom). Basically the x206 with the onboard Intel ethernet, amer.com c1110-32, or an SMC 9462TX gave me the same nfs issue / root_pivot. The thing is I have other amer.com gig switches like the GD8 ( an 8 port gig switch ) works like a charm on 4.2 and 4.4 on the x206. I have swapped eth0 and eth1 and their functions, zip. The problem is something in the x206 and certain switches. The onboard chip on the x206 is an Intel ( unsure of the chip set.) Thanks, Tom V. From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Fri Aug 26 17:57:10 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:57:10 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050826075710.d9bc543e@trunks> Try edit the file below (all.js). Only problem with this is that everytime firefox has a new version update you need to manually edit all.js again. Other then that it will update all firefox proxy settings for all users. :) Replace 192.168.2.254 & 8080 with your proxy server IP & port. ***Firefox Proxy setting [/usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/greprefs/all.js]*** pref("network.proxy.type", 1); pref("network.proxy.ftp", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.gopher", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.http", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.ssl", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.socks", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); ----- Original Message ----- From: David Trask To: K12OSN at redhat.com Sent: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:42:07 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? > How can I set either a manual proxy or auto-detect proxy for all users on > my K12LTSP box? Is it something can set in a master account that users > will pull their inital mozilla prefs from? I'm using DansGuardian with > pam_auth this year so I need to set the proxy. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From daniel at solle.se Fri Aug 26 17:51:45 2005 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:51:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? Message-ID: <1125078705.8164fb4daniel@solle.se> Hi David :D Check out /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref It contains a string named: network.proxy.share.proxy.settings This is from what i can understand a file in wich you can put some default settings for all new users. Make a working proxy setting in firefox and then type about:config in the adress bar. Then you type this in the filter input bar: network.proxy That should give you the settings you need to transfer to the above mentioned file. This only works on new users, the old ones just listen to whats specified in their ~ dir if im not all mistaken. Another way is if you setup mozilla as you want it to be for your users, bookmarks, proxy and all. Then copy your complete dir out to /etc/skel and give it chmod 100644 and chown root:root. It should work just fine that way too and you can easily copy the settings over to existing users. Well, its a start, i hope you get it working. /daniel hedblom -----Original Message----- From: "David Trask" To: K12OSN at redhat.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:42:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? How can I set either a manual proxy or auto-detect proxy for all users on my K12LTSP box? Is it something can set in a master account that users will pull their inital mozilla prefs from? I'm using DansGuardian with pam_auth this year so I need to set the proxy. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From linuxsys at davisny.edu Fri Aug 26 17:56:58 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:56:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125079018.25319.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> For initial proxy settings on our server I setup the initial account, set the Firefox settings to what I wanted then copied ./mozilla to /etc/skel and then all new accounts created work just wonderfully. Not sure how to get those settings to current users...maybe something like: cp -Rf /etc/skel/.mozilla /home/*/.mozilla Now if only I could figure out how to do something similar with IE running under wine. :-/ -Calvin On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 13:42 -0400, David Trask wrote: > How can I set either a manual proxy or auto-detect proxy for all users on > my K12LTSP box? Is it something can set in a master account that users > will pull their inital mozilla prefs from? I'm using DansGuardian with > pam_auth this year so I need to set the proxy. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 26 18:15:40 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:15:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found it!...Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? In-Reply-To: <1125078705.8164fb4daniel@solle.se> References: <1125078705.8164fb4daniel@solle.se> Message-ID: I'm on fire today! I found it (though many thanks for the suggestions) I noticed that every users profile has a file prefs.js.....so I then searched the computer to see if there was a "master" prefs file...and there is....in /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ This is where the initial "pull" of prefa comes from....so I simply set the proxy settings for one user....then looked at their prefs.js file.....copied the lines with the proxy info.....and pasted into /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ prefs.js and voila! that is now the default! Yay! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From webmaster at vol.org Fri Aug 26 18:13:02 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:13:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125079982.2295.67.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 12:42, David Trask wrote: > How can I set either a manual proxy or auto-detect proxy for all users on > my K12LTSP box? Is it something can set in a master account that users > will pull their inital mozilla prefs from? I'm using DansGuardian with > pam_auth this year so I need to set the proxy. Here's what I do for Mozilla. This is part of my userprep script which runs right before icewm starts. Forgive any poor line wrapping. ############################################################################### # install mozilla ############################################################################### if [ ! -d "$HOME/.mozilla" ]; then cd $HOME # create mozilla profile ($HOME/.mozilla) mozilla -CreateProfile default MOZDIR=`ls $HOME/.mozilla/default` cp /ltsp/etc/mozilla/* "$HOME/.mozilla/default/$MOZDIR/" perl -pi -e "s/golden/$USER/g;" "$HOME/.mozilla/default/$MOZDIR/prefs.js" # create cache directory mkdir "$HOME/.mozilla/default/cache" #xmessage "Web browser installation: COMPLETE" & fi See the following for more info: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freesoftware/ltsp/ -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From daniel at solle.se Fri Aug 26 18:15:38 2005 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:15:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Found it!...Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? Message-ID: <1125080138.8164fb4daniel@solle.se> Nice, i did know about it but i hadnt a slightest clue that it has precedance over ~/.mozilla settings. I should write a howto about multi user profile management in linux. Is there anything out there that touches this subject on a deeper level? If not my carpetal tunnel itches like mad. /daniel -----Original Message----- From: "David Trask" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:15:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found it!...Setting proxy in Firefox for ALL users...HOW? I'm on fire today! I found it (though many thanks for the suggestions) I noticed that every users profile has a file prefs.js.....so I then searched the computer to see if there was a "master" prefs file...and there is....in /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ This is where the initial "pull" of prefa comes from....so I simply set the proxy settings for one user....then looked at their prefs.js file.....copied the lines with the proxy info.....and pasted into /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ prefs.js and voila! that is now the default! Yay! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Aug 26 19:34:21 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:34:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs In-Reply-To: <430F2F70.5060707@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200508261930.j7QJUdt14040@www.mi-spot.com> Thanks everyone for their help so far. I'm narrowing down the problem, and I think I'm nearly there. At first I wanted to make sure that the DHCP server was working properly for the mac, so I changed the network card on the mac to take dhcp, which it did with no problem, getting 192.168.0.211. I went to the messages log, and saw something to the effect of "not authoratative for the subnet 192.168.0.0" Somewhere in google, I saw that I should add the line "authoratative;" (without quotes) to the top line of the dhcpd.conf, which I did, then restarted dhcpd. Now in my messages log, it looks like it gets the ip address, but never gives out the OS. For a successful boot with x86, it looks like: Aug 26 09:31:15 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.213 (192.168.0.254) from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:22 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:22 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.213 (192.168.0.254) from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws213.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Before I added the authortative line, it looked like: Aug 26 09:50:55 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.216 to 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.216 (192.168.0.254) from 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.216 to 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 Aug 26 09:51:00 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.216 via eth0: not authoritative for subnet 192.168.0.0 Aug 26 09:51:58 ltsp last message repeated 3 times After I added the authortative line: Aug 26 12:51:35 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.211 to 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.211 (192.168.0.254) from 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.211 to 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 Aug 26 12:51:40 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 Aug 26 12:51:40 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 Aug 26 12:51:49 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 Aug 26 12:51:49 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 Aug 26 12:52:05 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 Aug 26 12:52:05 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 Aug 26 12:52:38 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 Aug 26 12:52:38 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 Like it's just cranking away, but not getting that kernel. I do have /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file that has been mentioned. Any clues as to where to look? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:04 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs The flashing tile with the globe means it's trying to netboot. When it is working correctly on my one Mac (sheesh, give the guy a Mac and suddenly he's an authority on it ;-)) the tile blinks only once or twice, and then starts booting from the server. Initially, it wasn't working for me, with the tile blinking for several minutes, just like yours, because I don't use the default 192.168.0.x addressing, but the ppc lts file does. When I changed the addressing in the ppc lts.conf file, it started working. So, lots of words to say that it sounds like your Mac isn't finding the server. To answer your last question, yes, you can have your server booting both x86 and ppc clients at the same time. I love showing that off to people, demonstrating how flexible Linux is. Petre Eric Brown wrote: > This information was most helpful. Thanks Shawn > > The G3 I had was the beige all-in-one model. Unfortunatly, that's > what we have throughout our district. I'll see if I can't have one to > try out yellow dog. > > Now, I've gotten an eMac, white egg-shell type machine, that runs OS X > pretty well. I held down the N key when it booted, and I got a > flashing tile with a globe in the middle of the screen for a few > minutes, then it booted into OS X. I then tried to change the startup > disk to a net boot, restarted, and got the same thing. > > I checked the lts.conf file, and the second or third line does state > that the server is the correct address (the default of 192.168.0.254. > > Can I have BOTH x86 pc's and ppc's running on my ltsp network at the > same time? I've also got 20-some old gateways running ltsp so I know > my dhcp is working. > > Thanks again, > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:06 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >>if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot > > > If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. > Even the original Bondi iMacs will netboot. > > I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed > 4.4.0 > pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac > to boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), > I can't get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? > Maybe Jim > Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point > to the new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. > Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried > copying all the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no glory. > I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to > troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. > > Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC server? > I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. > And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black > screen with text as soon as it gets the kernel. > > If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the > chubby client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac > 5500's in service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and > do an X -query command to connect to the server. I even mangled > around the esd stuff, and they have sound support too. I haven't > messed with them for over a year though, so I'm a little rusty. > > Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of > us, I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since > you're not alone. (mine won't work either yet) > > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- The views, > opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, > poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS > preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else > I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Aug 26 21:38:34 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:38:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs Message-ID: <200508262353.j7QNra620297@downeast.net> do you have a filename statement pointing to yaboot?? > Thanks everyone for their help so far. I'm narrowing down the problem, and > I think I'm nearly there. > > At first I wanted to make sure that the DHCP server was working properly for > the mac, so I changed the network card on the mac to take dhcp, which it did > with no problem, getting 192.168.0.211. > > I went to the messages log, and saw something to the effect of "not > authoratative for the subnet 192.168.0.0" Somewhere in google, I saw that I > should add the line "authoratative;" (without quotes) to the top line of the > dhcpd.conf, which I did, then restarted dhcpd. > > Now in my messages log, it looks like it gets the ip address, but never > gives out the OS. > > For a successful boot with x86, it looks like: > > Aug 26 09:31:15 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.213 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:22 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:22 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.213 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > ws213.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > Before I added the authortative line, it looked like: > > Aug 26 09:50:55 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 > Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.216 to 00:14:51:07:39:ba > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.216 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 > Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.216 to 00:14:51:07:39:ba > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:51:00 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.216 via eth0: not > authoritative for subnet 192.168.0.0 > Aug 26 09:51:58 ltsp last message repeated 3 times > > After I added the authortative line: > > Aug 26 12:51:35 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.211 to 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca > via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.211 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.211 to 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca > via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:40 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:40 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > Aug 26 12:51:49 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:49 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > Aug 26 12:52:05 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:52:05 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > Aug 26 12:52:38 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:52:38 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > > Like it's just cranking away, but not getting that kernel. I do have > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file that has been mentioned. > > Any clues as to where to look? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:04 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > The flashing tile with the globe means it's trying to netboot. When it is > working correctly on my one Mac (sheesh, give the guy a Mac and suddenly > he's an authority on it > ;-)) the tile blinks only once or twice, and then starts booting from the > server. > Initially, it wasn't working for me, with the tile blinking for several > minutes, just like yours, because I don't use the default 192.168.0.x > addressing, but the ppc lts file does. When I changed the addressing in the > ppc lts.conf file, it started working. So, lots of words to say that it > sounds like your Mac isn't finding the server. > > To answer your last question, yes, you can have your server booting both x86 > and ppc clients at the same time. I love showing that off to people, > demonstrating how flexible Linux is. > > Petre > > Eric Brown wrote: > > This information was most helpful. Thanks Shawn > > > > The G3 I had was the beige all-in-one model. Unfortunatly, that's > > what we have throughout our district. I'll see if I can't have one to > > try out yellow dog. > > > > Now, I've gotten an eMac, white egg-shell type machine, that runs OS X > > pretty well. I held down the N key when it booted, and I got a > > flashing tile with a globe in the middle of the screen for a few > > minutes, then it booted into OS X. I then tried to change the startup > > disk to a net boot, restarted, and got the same thing. > > > > I checked the lts.conf file, and the second or third line does state > > that the server is the correct address (the default of 192.168.0.254. > > > > Can I have BOTH x86 pc's and ppc's running on my ltsp network at the > > same time? I've also got 20-some old gateways running ltsp so I know > > my dhcp is working. > > > > Thanks again, > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Shawn Powers > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:06 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > >>if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot > > > > > > If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. > > Even the original Bondi iMacs will netboot. > > > > I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed > > 4.4.0 > > pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac > > to boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), > > I can't get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? > > Maybe Jim > > Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point > > to the new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. > > Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried > > copying all the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no > glory. > > I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to > > troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. > > > > Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC > server? > > I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. > > And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black > > screen with text as soon as it gets the kernel. > > > > If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the > > chubby client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac > > 5500's in service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and > > do an X -query command to connect to the server. I even mangled > > around the esd stuff, and they have sound support too. I haven't > > messed with them for over a year though, so I'm a little rusty. > > > > Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of > > us, I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since > > you're not alone. (mine won't work either yet) > > > > -Shawn > > > > > > -- > > Shawn Powers > > Technology Director > > Inland Lakes Schools > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > > ---- The views, > > opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, > > poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS > > preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else > > I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > > everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 02:18:51 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:48:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default session....figured out the easy way...here it is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20508261918288f3d57@mail.gmail.com> On 8/26/05, David Trask wrote: [SNIP] > That's it! Whatever is in the /etc/X11/dm/Sessions directory is what will > show up and be available in the "Session List" on the login screen....with > IceWM as the default. *NOTE: Users who have already logged into Gnome > may continue to get Gnome unless they manually select IceWM and select it > as the default. The login seems to stick on "last" as the session of > choice and if the last was Gnome...then....BUT once they choose > IceWM...the problem will not resurface. You can also remove the > appropriate files in their home directories and that should reset them as > well. Let me know what works in that regard. But this will not prevent people from choosing Gnome as default and continuing to switchback from IceWM. OP wanted IceWM forced to all users irrespective of what they chose. I thought earlier suggestion of UID<600 allowing switch to Gnome else IceWM is all you get cool. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Aug 27 04:11:24 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:11:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mac OS X and win2003 and LTSP integration Message-ID: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I have a problem ... yes we only ask when we have problems it seems. I have a school that currently has a Macintosh OS X server as the student file server (Samba) and Mac netboot. It also authenticates mac iBook, etc via Open Directory. Now the school has been forced to make big changes ... the former tech has left, the school is half ready for the start of school and a new Windows 2003 server is being brought it to replace the Mac OS X server. At any rate I have been asked to integrate a new LTSP lab into the whole scheme of things. The problem being - currently DHCP is being served by the Mac OS X server. If we turn that off half our school users on Macs cannot login to the Open Directory. DHCP also seems to serve certain LDAP parameters to the mac clients. IF the mac serves DHCP, the LTSP terminals will not boot!! problem ... is there a solution to tweak the Mac OS X server to serve the appropriate bits of info to the LTSP clients? The GUI leaves very few DHCP server options ... where is there/is there a test conf file to tweak or hack? is there a way of serving the mac tidbits from the Linux server? It seems we have to have the mac server around long enough to get the mac authentication working on Win2003 server, so until then the two have to co-exist _peacefully_ in the same rack. can anyone help point me in the right direction? I am currently as I write this working on the LTSP authentication to Active Directory. I am running 4.2.1EL and following the instructions from http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/09/2318244 I assume that the NSS_LDAP package is already updated as this article refers to ver 207 on Fedors core 1. I notice mine is 226.6. Thus I will run the Microsoft Services for Unix 3.5 and the authconfig as per the article and see what happens. But the DHCP issue is not resolved. Joe Guenther Chinook's Edge School Div From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 27 05:05:18 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:05:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mac OS X and win2003 and LTSP integration In-Reply-To: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <430FF48E.9060507@cmosnetworks.com> Joe Guenther wrote: > I have a problem ... yes we only ask when we have problems it seems. > > I have a school that currently has a Macintosh OS X server as the > student file server (Samba) and Mac netboot. It also authenticates > mac iBook, etc via Open Directory. Now the school has been forced to > make big changes ... the former tech has left, the school is half > ready for the start of school and a new Windows 2003 server is being > brought it to replace the Mac OS X server. At any rate I have been > asked to integrate a new LTSP lab into the whole scheme of things. > > The problem being - currently DHCP is being served by the Mac OS X > server. If we turn that off half our school users on Macs cannot login > to the Open Directory. DHCP also seems to serve certain LDAP > parameters to the mac clients. IF the mac serves DHCP, the LTSP > terminals will not boot!! problem ... > > is there a solution to tweak the Mac OS X server to serve the > appropriate bits of info to the LTSP clients? The GUI leaves very few > DHCP server options ... where is there/is there a test conf file to > tweak or hack? > > is there a way of serving the mac tidbits from the Linux server? > > It seems we have to have the mac server around long enough to get the > mac authentication working on Win2003 server, so until then the two > have to co-exist _peacefully_ in the same rack. > > can anyone help point me in the right direction? I am currently as I > write this working on the LTSP authentication to Active Directory. I > am running 4.2.1EL and following the instructions from > http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/09/2318244 I assume > that the NSS_LDAP package is already updated as this article refers to > ver 207 on Fedors core 1. I notice mine is 226.6. Thus I will run > the Microsoft Services for Unix 3.5 and the authconfig as per the > article and see what happens. But the DHCP issue is not resolved. A default installation of K12LTSP has its own DHCP server that serves only its "private" segment hanging off of eth0. eth1 then faces the school LAN. Are you running a different setup? Tell us more about your network--LAN/VLAN segments, IP subnets, etc. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Aug 27 06:10:03 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:10:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mac OS X and win2003 and LTSP integration In-Reply-To: <430FF48E.9060507@cmosnetworks.com> References: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <430FF48E.9060507@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <431003BB.7090802@chinooksedge.ab.ca> The LTSP server is installed as a single NIC. Although at the start there will only be one lab on terminals, and that could be theoretically separated onto a distinct vlan within the network, there will eventually be terminals scattered throughout the classrooms all over the school. That would be difficult to configure as there are switches from various vendors throughout the school. I had not thought of the separate vlan option to segregate the LTSP from the rest of the LAN ... might be an option if the Mac OS X dhcp cannot be configured to pass on the option root-path thanks for the suggestion Joe Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Joe Guenther wrote: > >> I have a problem ... yes we only ask when we have problems it seems. >> >> I have a school that currently has a Macintosh OS X server as the >> student file server (Samba) and Mac netboot. It also authenticates >> mac iBook, etc via Open Directory. Now the school has been forced to >> make big changes ... the former tech has left, the school is half >> ready for the start of school and a new Windows 2003 server is being >> brought it to replace the Mac OS X server. At any rate I have been >> asked to integrate a new LTSP lab into the whole scheme of things. >> >> The problem being - currently DHCP is being served by the Mac OS X >> server. If we turn that off half our school users on Macs cannot >> login to the Open Directory. DHCP also seems to serve certain LDAP >> parameters to the mac clients. IF the mac serves DHCP, the LTSP >> terminals will not boot!! problem ... >> >> is there a solution to tweak the Mac OS X server to serve the >> appropriate bits of info to the LTSP clients? The GUI leaves very few >> DHCP server options ... where is there/is there a test conf file to >> tweak or hack? >> >> is there a way of serving the mac tidbits from the Linux server? >> >> It seems we have to have the mac server around long enough to get the >> mac authentication working on Win2003 server, so until then the two >> have to co-exist _peacefully_ in the same rack. >> >> can anyone help point me in the right direction? I am currently as I >> write this working on the LTSP authentication to Active Directory. I >> am running 4.2.1EL and following the instructions from >> http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/09/2318244 I assume >> that the NSS_LDAP package is already updated as this article refers >> to ver 207 on Fedors core 1. I notice mine is 226.6. Thus I will >> run the Microsoft Services for Unix 3.5 and the authconfig as per >> the article and see what happens. But the DHCP issue is not resolved. > > > > A default installation of K12LTSP has its own DHCP server that serves > only its "private" segment hanging off of eth0. eth1 then faces the > school LAN. Are you running a different setup? Tell us more about > your network--LAN/VLAN segments, IP subnets, etc. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:430ff4ab80171305813000! > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 27 06:10:08 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:10:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mac OS X and win2003 and LTSP integration In-Reply-To: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <431003C0.401@cmosnetworks.com> Joe Guenther wrote: > I have a problem ... yes we only ask when we have problems it seems. > > I have a school that currently has a Macintosh OS X server as the > student file server (Samba) and Mac netboot. It also authenticates > mac iBook, etc via Open Directory. Now the school has been forced to > make big changes ... the former tech has left, the school is half > ready for the start of school and a new Windows 2003 server is being > brought it to replace the Mac OS X server. At any rate I have been > asked to integrate a new LTSP lab into the whole scheme of things. > > The problem being - currently DHCP is being served by the Mac OS X > server. If we turn that off half our school users on Macs cannot login > to the Open Directory. DHCP also seems to serve certain LDAP > parameters to the mac clients. IF the mac serves DHCP, the LTSP > terminals will not boot!! problem ... > > is there a solution to tweak the Mac OS X server to serve the > appropriate bits of info to the LTSP clients? The GUI leaves very few > DHCP server options ... where is there/is there a test conf file to > tweak or hack? > > is there a way of serving the mac tidbits from the Linux server? > > It seems we have to have the mac server around long enough to get the > mac authentication working on Win2003 server, so until then the two > have to co-exist _peacefully_ in the same rack. > > can anyone help point me in the right direction? I am currently as I > write this working on the LTSP authentication to Active Directory. I > am running 4.2.1EL and following the instructions from > http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/09/2318244 I assume > that the NSS_LDAP package is already updated as this article refers to > ver 207 on Fedors core 1. I notice mine is 226.6. Thus I will run > the Microsoft Services for Unix 3.5 and the authconfig as per the > article and see what happens. But the DHCP issue is not resolved. > > Joe Guenther > Chinook's Edge School Div Just curious. Given that GNU/Linux supports AppleTalk, Samba, and LDAP, then why not just replace the Mac OS X server with a GNU/Linux server instead of Windows 2003? Apple's "Open Directory" is just an OpenLDAP server that uses Kerberos authentication. My "educated guess" is that Apple's built-in DHCP server is configured to give clients DHCP option 95, which is the option that says "hey, go use this LDAP server" (in this case, itself, since it's running the LDAP directory). Any Mac clients that are configured for a so-called automatic search policy will, I understand, use this DHCP option if presented with it. Here's the RFC that talks about the option. http://www.iana.org/assignments/bootp-dhcp-extensions/bootp-dhcp-option-95 ISC DHCPD, as you might expect, can be configured to use option 95 as well. Here's a quick 'n' dirty example snippet. option ldap-server code 95 = text; authoritative; subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.0.2 192.168.0.254; option ldap-server "ldap://192.168.0.1/ou=MyOrganizationalUnit"; } --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Aug 27 10:43:13 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:43:13 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Booting macs Message-ID: <200508271258.j7RCw6l01195@downeast.net> i can send you my dhcpd.conf from the laptop if you like... > Thanks everyone for their help so far. I'm narrowing down the problem, and > I think I'm nearly there. > > At first I wanted to make sure that the DHCP server was working properly for > the mac, so I changed the network card on the mac to take dhcp, which it did > with no problem, getting 192.168.0.211. > > I went to the messages log, and saw something to the effect of "not > authoratative for the subnet 192.168.0.0" Somewhere in google, I saw that I > should add the line "authoratative;" (without quotes) to the top line of the > dhcpd.conf, which I did, then restarted dhcpd. > > Now in my messages log, it looks like it gets the ip address, but never > gives out the OS. > > For a successful boot with x86, it looks like: > > Aug 26 09:31:15 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.213 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:16 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:22 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:22 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.213 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.213 to 00:10:4b:57:f2:68 > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:31:23 ltsp rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > ws213.ltsp:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > Before I added the authortative line, it looked like: > > Aug 26 09:50:55 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 > Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.216 to 00:14:51:07:39:ba > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.216 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:14:51:07:39:ba via eth0 > Aug 26 09:50:56 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.216 to 00:14:51:07:39:ba > via eth0 > Aug 26 09:51:00 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.216 via eth0: not > authoritative for subnet 192.168.0.0 > Aug 26 09:51:58 ltsp last message repeated 3 times > > After I added the authortative line: > > Aug 26 12:51:35 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.211 to 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca > via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.211 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:36 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.211 to 00:0d:93:53:d8:ca > via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:40 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:40 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > Aug 26 12:51:49 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:51:49 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > Aug 26 12:52:05 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:52:05 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > Aug 26 12:52:38 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 192.168.0.211 via eth0 > Aug 26 12:52:38 ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK to 192.168.0.211 > > Like it's just cranking away, but not getting that kernel. I do have > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file that has been mentioned. > > Any clues as to where to look? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Petre Scheie > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:04 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > The flashing tile with the globe means it's trying to netboot. When it is > working correctly on my one Mac (sheesh, give the guy a Mac and suddenly > he's an authority on it > ;-)) the tile blinks only once or twice, and then starts booting from the > server. > Initially, it wasn't working for me, with the tile blinking for several > minutes, just like yours, because I don't use the default 192.168.0.x > addressing, but the ppc lts file does. When I changed the addressing in the > ppc lts.conf file, it started working. So, lots of words to say that it > sounds like your Mac isn't finding the server. > > To answer your last question, yes, you can have your server booting both x86 > and ppc clients at the same time. I love showing that off to people, > demonstrating how flexible Linux is. > > Petre > > Eric Brown wrote: > > This information was most helpful. Thanks Shawn > > > > The G3 I had was the beige all-in-one model. Unfortunatly, that's > > what we have throughout our district. I'll see if I can't have one to > > try out yellow dog. > > > > Now, I've gotten an eMac, white egg-shell type machine, that runs OS X > > pretty well. I held down the N key when it booted, and I got a > > flashing tile with a globe in the middle of the screen for a few > > minutes, then it booted into OS X. I then tried to change the startup > > disk to a net boot, restarted, and got the same thing. > > > > I checked the lts.conf file, and the second or third line does state > > that the server is the correct address (the default of 192.168.0.254. > > > > Can I have BOTH x86 pc's and ppc's running on my ltsp network at the > > same time? I've also got 20-some old gateways running ltsp so I know > > my dhcp is working. > > > > Thanks again, > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Shawn Powers > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:06 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting macs > > > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > >>if they are old world gv3 without openfirmware..they wont netboot > > > > > > If it is in fact an iMac (color other than beige) it will neboot. > > Even the original Bondi iMacs will netboot. > > > > I can't get mine to boot either, and I'm not sure why. I installed > > 4.4.0 > > pre2 on a test server, with all the default settings, and got an iMac > > to boot fine. When I put it on a production server (with 4.4.0 pre3), > > I can't get it to work. On the suggestion from David Trask (I think? > > Maybe Jim > > Kronebusch...) I edited the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to point > > to the new IP of the server, but still it wouldn't boot. > > Perhaps it was something with my external DHCP server. I tried > > copying all the if/then magic regarding the kernel image, etc -- but no > glory. > > I've been too busy with other stuff (still at work, after 9PM) to > > troubleshoot as well, which really stinks. > > > > Will they boot from a stock (read: all defaults) install on a 2 NIC > server? > > I hope it works for you, it's uber-cool to see one boot up. > > And lastly, no -- you don't see a happy mac. It goes to a black > > screen with text as soon as it gets the kernel. > > > > If it *is* a beige computer, like the G3 all in one model -- the > > chubby client is the way to go. I still have a handful of PowerMac > > 5500's in service. They have a local install of yellowdog linux, and > > do an X -query command to connect to the server. I even mangled > > around the esd stuff, and they have sound support too. I haven't > > messed with them for over a year though, so I'm a little rusty. > > > > Don't give up -- even though it's the busiest time of year for most of > > us, I/we/us will try to figure out the problem, especially since > > you're not alone. (mine won't work either yet) > > > > -Shawn > > > > > > -- > > Shawn Powers > > Technology Director > > Inland Lakes Schools > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > > ---- The views, > > opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, > > poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS > > preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else > > I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > > everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 27 15:15:02 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:15:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mac OS X and win2003 and LTSP integration In-Reply-To: <431003BB.7090802@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> < > <430FF48E.9060507@cmosnetworks.com> <431003BB.7090802@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 2:10 AM +0000 wrote: >I had not thought of the separate vlan option to segregate the LTSP from >the rest of the LAN ... might be an option if the Mac OS X dhcp cannot >be configured to pass on the option root-path Joe....Mac OS X simply needs to be "on" in order for the Mac auth stuff to work....it does not have to be doing anything or serving any IP's. You can have it serving IP's off a NIC that's not connected to anything for example....I have a school that uses an E-Smith (SME server 6.01) box as the DHCP server yet the Macs (this is Maine...we have Mac laptops for every 7th and 8th grader in the state) authenticate and pull "profiles" etc via LDAP and OD from an Xserve running OS X server. So you can have your cake and eat it too. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Aug 27 16:46:44 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:46:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mac OS X and win2003 and LTSP integration In-Reply-To: References: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> < > <430FF48E.9060507@cmosnetworks.com> <431003BB.7090802@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <431098F4.1010203@cmosnetworks.com> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 2:10 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>I had not thought of the separate vlan option to segregate the LTSP from >>the rest of the LAN ... might be an option if the Mac OS X dhcp cannot >>be configured to pass on the option root-path >> >> > >Joe....Mac OS X simply needs to be "on" in order for the Mac auth stuff to >work....it does not have to be doing anything or serving any IP's. You >can have it serving IP's off a NIC that's not connected to anything for >example....I have a school that uses an E-Smith (SME server 6.01) box as >the DHCP server yet the Macs (this is Maine...we have Mac laptops for >every 7th and 8th grader in the state) authenticate and pull "profiles" >etc via LDAP and OD from an Xserve running OS X server. So you can have >your cake and eat it too. > > Unless I misread his original post, though, the OS X server soon won't be there. For some insanely stupid reason (yes, I'm being very judgmental here), they're bringing in a Windows 2003 server "to replace the Mac OS X server." Of course, I hope that I did misread that, since Windows servers don't speak industry-standard LDAP or Kerberos. As for the VLAN bit, if your switches all speak either GVRP or VTP, then you should be OK separating the LTSP stuff--and I mean both server (eth0) and terminals--from the main LAN. Then, eth1 on the server can get hooked up to the main LAN. The purpose of GVRP and VTP is to allow propagation of VLAN settings throughout your LAN, thus you don't have to reconfigure all your switches. GVRP is the standards-based one, and VTP is Cisco-proprietary (they licensed it to Avaya for high dollars, I think). Another option is to have your router do the DHCP instead of a server. Like you, I too have a single-NIC K12LTSP server with its DHCP server turned off. We have Cisco routers on our LANs, and they make terrific DHCP servers. I'm actually using the Cisco router's DHCP server to netboot not just the terminals, but also the thick clients (Windows and a few Macs). You simply include the appropriate options in the DHCP scope and boom, off it goes. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Aug 27 18:11:49 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:11:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mac OS X and win2003 and LTSP integration In-Reply-To: <431098F4.1010203@cmosnetworks.com> References: <430FE7EC.7080203@chinooksedge.ab.ca> < > <430FF48E.9060507@cmosnetworks.com> <431003BB.7090802@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <431098F4.1010203@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4310ACE5.2060409@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Yes, the Mac OS X server is being replaced with Win2003 server with Active Directory. ... because in the near future this school will be joining the network of a neigbouring college, which will dictate the IT direction and they use Active Directory that we will have to be an "active" part of. No it was not my recommendation, but we all know life is full of choices being made for us - we just have the task of making it all work. Thanks for the excellent advice. Seeing as the Mac DHCP server is seemingly not easy to customize, maybe I can get the LTSP server to hand the appropriate DHCP options to the Mac users as well. Yes the Mac also runs Open Directory to which the macs all over the school authenticate and get all their appropriate drive mounts.. I assumed as much that its DHCP was also telling the Mac clients "hey the Open Directory lives here..." but you gave me good information to follow on how to get the Linux DHCP server to also pass on that info. and of course the other option would be to configure a vlan throughout the Dell switches that are affected - later hoping that the older 3coms at the other end of the building will also talk the same vlan language when we go to expand the ltsp clients to more classrooms. many thanks to the two of you. Joe Guenther Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > David Trask wrote: > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 2:10 AM +0000 wrote: >> >> >>> I had not thought of the separate vlan option to segregate the LTSP >>> from the rest of the LAN ... might be an option if the Mac OS X dhcp >>> cannot be configured to pass on the option root-path >>> >> >> >> Joe....Mac OS X simply needs to be "on" in order for the Mac auth >> stuff to >> work....it does not have to be doing anything or serving any IP's. You >> can have it serving IP's off a NIC that's not connected to anything for >> example....I have a school that uses an E-Smith (SME server 6.01) box as >> the DHCP server yet the Macs (this is Maine...we have Mac laptops for >> every 7th and 8th grader in the state) authenticate and pull "profiles" >> etc via LDAP and OD from an Xserve running OS X server. So you can have >> your cake and eat it too. >> >> > > Unless I misread his original post, though, the OS X server soon won't > be there. For some insanely stupid reason (yes, I'm being very > judgmental here), they're bringing in a Windows 2003 server "to > replace the Mac OS X server." Of course, I hope that I did misread > that, since Windows servers don't speak industry-standard LDAP or > Kerberos. > > As for the VLAN bit, if your switches all speak either GVRP or VTP, > then you should be OK separating the LTSP stuff--and I mean both > server (eth0) and terminals--from the main LAN. Then, eth1 on the > server can get hooked up to the main LAN. The purpose of GVRP and VTP > is to allow propagation of VLAN settings throughout your LAN, thus you > don't have to reconfigure all your switches. GVRP is the > standards-based one, and VTP is Cisco-proprietary (they licensed it to > Avaya for high dollars, I think). > > Another option is to have your router do the DHCP instead of a > server. Like you, I too have a single-NIC K12LTSP server with its > DHCP server turned off. We have Cisco routers on our LANs, and they > make terrific DHCP servers. I'm actually using the Cisco router's > DHCP server to netboot not just the terminals, but also the thick > clients (Windows and a few Macs). You simply include the appropriate > options in the DHCP scope and boom, off it goes. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:4310990930507760576839! > From petre at maltzen.net Sat Aug 27 20:35:02 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:35:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <51649.10.2.0.50.1125078354.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> <51649.10.2.0.50.1125078354.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> Message-ID: <4310CE76.4050700@maltzen.net> I just built a new Athlon-64-on-a-Microstar-motherboard server, using K12LTSP 4.2.1. It's a single NIC configuration, using the on-board ethernet. This is to ultimately replace some older hardware that is also running version 4.2.1, single NIC, etc. The workstations all boot fine, save one which uses an old ISA 3Com 3c509 card connected via coax to a hub which then connects to the main switch (don't ask). It hangs at the pivot_root point, saying the nfs server is not responding. So, the only thing different is the hardware of the server. Any ideas as to why the pivot_root would stop working for just this one client? Petre Tom Ventresco wrote: >>A good guy to call is Mark Wilhelm. He might be able to assist you. >> >>As it happens, I too have a SGR24, and I use the C1110 NIC (64-bit PCI >>version). My other K12LTSP server (I've got two demo boxes that I use) >>uses the Broadcom built-in Gig-E port. I haven't tried out the new >>K12LTSP 4.4, but I have tried out K12LTSP 4.2.1 on both of them, and it >>works just great. Same with K12LTSP 3.1.2; it works fine with the >>SGR24. Have you tried it out with any version previous to 4.4? >> >>BTW, if you're looking at a switch to support lots of users, I have also >>used the SR48G2i with very good results. >> >> > >Good stuff TP - I see an SR48G2i in my near future...my racks are packed >with 24 port switches. > >Yes I did try a k12LTSP 4.2 with a the same x206 and it gave the >pivot_root nfs issue. BUT a 4.2 or 4.4 on an IBM x205 with the (onboard >Broadcom). Basically the x206 with the onboard Intel ethernet, amer.com >c1110-32, or an SMC 9462TX gave me the same nfs issue / root_pivot. The >thing is I have other amer.com gig switches like the GD8 ( an 8 port gig >switch ) works like a charm on 4.2 and 4.4 on the x206. I have swapped >eth0 and eth1 and their functions, zip. The problem is something in the >x206 and certain switches. >The onboard chip on the x206 is an Intel ( unsure of the chip set.) > >Thanks, >Tom V. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jam at mcquil.com Sat Aug 27 21:36:57 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <4310CE76.4050700@maltzen.net> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> <51649.10.2.0.50.1125078354.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <4310CE76.4050700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Petre, Feast your eyes on this article, it should point you to a solution: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > I just built a new Athlon-64-on-a-Microstar-motherboard server, using K12LTSP > 4.2.1. It's a single NIC configuration, using the on-board ethernet. This is > to ultimately replace some older hardware that is also running version 4.2.1, > single NIC, etc. The workstations all boot fine, save one which uses an old > ISA 3Com 3c509 card connected via coax to a hub which then connects to the > main switch (don't ask). It hangs at the pivot_root point, saying the nfs > server is not responding. So, the only thing different is the hardware of the > server. Any ideas as to why the pivot_root would stop working for just this > one client? > > Petre > > Tom Ventresco wrote: > > > > A good guy to call is Mark Wilhelm. He might be able to assist you. > > > > > > As it happens, I too have a SGR24, and I use the C1110 NIC (64-bit PCI > > > version). My other K12LTSP server (I've got two demo boxes that I use) > > > uses the Broadcom built-in Gig-E port. I haven't tried out the new > > > K12LTSP 4.4, but I have tried out K12LTSP 4.2.1 on both of them, and it > > > works just great. Same with K12LTSP 3.1.2; it works fine with the > > > SGR24. Have you tried it out with any version previous to 4.4? > > > > > > BTW, if you're looking at a switch to support lots of users, I have also > > > used the SR48G2i with very good results. > > > > > > > Good stuff TP - I see an SR48G2i in my near future...my racks are packed > > with 24 port switches. > > > > Yes I did try a k12LTSP 4.2 with a the same x206 and it gave the > > pivot_root nfs issue. BUT a 4.2 or 4.4 on an IBM x205 with the (onboard > > Broadcom). Basically the x206 with the onboard Intel ethernet, amer.com > > c1110-32, or an SMC 9462TX gave me the same nfs issue / root_pivot. The > > thing is I have other amer.com gig switches like the GD8 ( an 8 port gig > > switch ) works like a charm on 4.2 and 4.4 on the x206. I have swapped > > eth0 and eth1 and their functions, zip. The problem is something in the > > x206 and certain switches. > > The onboard chip on the x206 is an Intel ( unsure of the chip set.) > > > > Thanks, > > Tom V. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sat Aug 27 21:47:39 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:47:39 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script broken for K12ltsp FC4? In-Reply-To: <4310CE76.4050700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200508272147.j7RLldgQ022455@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Anyone fixed the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script yet? The script that is included in the newest distro of K12ltsp points to the ooo-1.1 directory, but FC4 uses OpenOffice 2.0. Is the fix as simple as replacing this line? FILE="/usr/lib/ooo1.1/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/TypeDetectio n.xcu" Change to: FILE="/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/T ypeDetection.xcu" ********************************** *openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh* ********************************** #!/bin/sh # this script changes the default formats to .doc/.xls/.ppt rather than the # native OpenOffice.org formats. Yes, that's ugly - but it makes a huge # difference in the integration of OOo into MS dominate environments. #FILE="/usr/lib/openoffice/share/config/registry/instance/org/openoffice/Off ice/TypeDetection.xml" FILE="/usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Office/TypeDetecti on.xcu" [ -f $FILE ] || exit perl -i.ltsp -p -e " s/5,calc_MS_Excel_97,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,67,,0,/5,calc_M S_Excel_97,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,323,,0,/; s/1,calc_StarOffice_XML_Calc,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,295,,62 00,,/2,calc_StarOffice_XML_Calc,com.sun.star.sheet.SpreadsheetDocument,,55,, 6200,,/; s/3,impress_MS_PowerPoint_97,com.sun.star.presentation.PresentationDocument, ,67,emp,0,,/3,impress_MS_PowerPoint_97,com.sun.star.presentation.Presentatio nDocument,,323,emp,0,,/; s/3,writer_MS_Word_97,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,67,CWW8,0,,/3,writer_M S_Word_97,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,323,CWW8,0,,/; s/1,writer_StarOffice_XML_Writer,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,268435751,C XML,6200,,/1,writer_StarOffice_XML_Writer,com.sun.star.text.TextDocument,,26 8435495,CXML,6200,,/; " $FILE From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 28 12:19:28 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:19:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus rightclick disable "open terminal" Message-ID: <200508281434.j7SEYI228235@downeast.net> anyone find how to disble "open terminal from right=clicking a desktop..i did check /usr/share/gnome-2/ui/nautilus-desktop--> --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jam at mcquil.com Sun Aug 28 14:32:08 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus rightclick disable "open terminal" In-Reply-To: <200508281434.j7SEYI228235@downeast.net> References: <200508281434.j7SEYI228235@downeast.net> Message-ID: Chuck, In Ubuntu Breezy, the default is no 'Open Terminal' item in the context menu in gnome. I had to add an entry through the gconf editor to add it. I'm assuming what you need to do is remove that entry. Sorry I don't remember exactly what I added to gconf, and the box I did it on has been rebuilt since them. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > anyone find how to disble "open terminal from right=clicking a desktop..i > did check > /usr/share/gnome-2/ui/nautilus-desktop--> > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Aug 28 14:19:47 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:19:47 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus rightclick disable "open terminal" Message-ID: <200508281634.j7SGYa211392@downeast.net> Thanks..i saw it disabled in breezy and looked thru its gconf-editor to find the reference..snd couldnt..ill finetooth gconf-editor..thanks Jim > Chuck, > > In Ubuntu Breezy, the default is no 'Open Terminal' item in the context > menu in gnome. I had to add an entry through the gconf editor to add > it. > > I'm assuming what you need to do is remove that entry. Sorry I don't > remember exactly what I added to gconf, and the box I did it on has been > rebuilt since them. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > anyone find how to disble "open terminal from right=clicking a desktop..i > > did check > > /usr/share/gnome-2/ui/nautilus-desktop--> > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 28 18:51:06 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:51:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> <51649.10.2.0.50.1125078354.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <4310CE76.4050700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4312079A.10805@maltzen.net> Thanks, Jim. I added the lines to my dhcpd.conf file, thusly (line numbers added here for clarity): 1 host wendolene { 2 hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; 3 fixed-address 172.26.18.5; 4 filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; 5 option option-128 code 128 = string; 6 option option-129 code 129 = text; 7 option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; 8 option option-129 "NIC=3c509, MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; 9 } But when I try to start dhcpd, it says "option definitions may not be scoped." in reference to lines 5 and 6. I tried commenting them out, thinking they were perhaps just examples of the syntax, but then the client says it can't find the 3c509 module during the modprobe stage. Suggestions? Jim McQuillan wrote: >Petre, > >Feast your eyes on this article, it should point you to a solution: > >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > >>I just built a new Athlon-64-on-a-Microstar-motherboard server, using K12LTSP >>4.2.1. It's a single NIC configuration, using the on-board ethernet. This is >>to ultimately replace some older hardware that is also running version 4.2.1, >>single NIC, etc. The workstations all boot fine, save one which uses an old >>ISA 3Com 3c509 card connected via coax to a hub which then connects to the >>main switch (don't ask). It hangs at the pivot_root point, saying the nfs >>server is not responding. So, the only thing different is the hardware of the >>server. Any ideas as to why the pivot_root would stop working for just this >>one client? >> >>Petre >> >>Tom Ventresco wrote: >> >> >> >>>>A good guy to call is Mark Wilhelm. He might be able to assist you. >>>> >>>>As it happens, I too have a SGR24, and I use the C1110 NIC (64-bit PCI >>>>version). My other K12LTSP server (I've got two demo boxes that I use) >>>>uses the Broadcom built-in Gig-E port. I haven't tried out the new >>>>K12LTSP 4.4, but I have tried out K12LTSP 4.2.1 on both of them, and it >>>>works just great. Same with K12LTSP 3.1.2; it works fine with the >>>>SGR24. Have you tried it out with any version previous to 4.4? >>>> >>>>BTW, if you're looking at a switch to support lots of users, I have also >>>>used the SR48G2i with very good results. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Good stuff TP - I see an SR48G2i in my near future...my racks are packed >>>with 24 port switches. >>> >>>Yes I did try a k12LTSP 4.2 with a the same x206 and it gave the >>>pivot_root nfs issue. BUT a 4.2 or 4.4 on an IBM x205 with the (onboard >>>Broadcom). Basically the x206 with the onboard Intel ethernet, amer.com >>>c1110-32, or an SMC 9462TX gave me the same nfs issue / root_pivot. The >>>thing is I have other amer.com gig switches like the GD8 ( an 8 port gig >>>switch ) works like a charm on 4.2 and 4.4 on the x206. I have swapped >>>eth0 and eth1 and their functions, zip. The problem is something in the >>>x206 and certain switches. >>>The onboard chip on the x206 is an Intel ( unsure of the chip set.) >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Tom V. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 28 19:00:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:00:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <4312079A.10805@maltzen.net> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> <51649.10.2.0.50.1125078354.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <4310CE76.4050700@maltzen.net> <4312079A.10805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1125255643.16075.109.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 13:51, Petre Scheie wrote: > Thanks, Jim. I added the lines to my dhcpd.conf file, thusly (line > numbers added here for clarity): > > 1 host wendolene { > 2 hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; > 3 fixed-address 172.26.18.5; > 4 filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > 5 option option-128 code 128 = string; > 6 option option-129 code 129 = text; > 7 option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > 8 option option-129 "NIC=3c509, > MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; > 9 } > > But when I try to start dhcpd, it says "option definitions may not be > scoped." in reference to lines 5 and 6. I tried commenting them out, > thinking they were perhaps just examples of the syntax, but then the > client says it can't find the 3c509 module during the modprobe stage. > Suggestions? "May not be scoped" means that the option type declarations have to be in the global part of the config file, not inside the {} braces for any particular subnet or hardware address. Just move lines 5 and 6 to the top of the file with other globals. The values for any option (lines 7 and 8) can be different for each scope, just not the type of the data. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 28 19:30:16 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:30:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Doing the Pivot Root - befuddling In-Reply-To: <1125255643.16075.109.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <3970419184.1124956883@[10.2.21.151]> <430DB4A2.2000507@msln.net> <430DF6F9.8000307@paasda.org> <200508250955.29793.scott@hosef.org> <58583.10.2.0.50.1125057568.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <430F0889.7030002@cmosnetworks.com> <51649.10.2.0.50.1125078354.squirrel@webmail.access-k12.org> <4310CE76.4050700@maltzen.net> <4312079A.10805@maltzen.net> <1125255643.16075.109.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <431210C8.1010802@maltzen.net> Fixed it! Les is correct, lines 5 & 6 need to be in the main part of the config file--which they already were. With those removed from the scope, and with a space (not a comma) between the 'NIC=3c509' specification and the part the wiki told me to add, it now works. In other words, this is my dhcpd.conf: host wendolene { hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; fixed-address 172.26.18.5; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; } Thanks to all for the help. Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 13:51, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>Thanks, Jim. I added the lines to my dhcpd.conf file, thusly (line >>numbers added here for clarity): >> >>1 host wendolene { >>2 hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; >>3 fixed-address 172.26.18.5; >>4 filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; >>5 option option-128 code 128 = string; >>6 option option-129 code 129 = text; >>7 option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; >>8 option option-129 "NIC=3c509, >>MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; >>9 } >> >>But when I try to start dhcpd, it says "option definitions may not be >>scoped." in reference to lines 5 and 6. I tried commenting them out, >>thinking they were perhaps just examples of the syntax, but then the >>client says it can't find the 3c509 module during the modprobe stage. >>Suggestions? >> >> > >"May not be scoped" means that the option type declarations have >to be in the global part of the config file, not inside the >{} braces for any particular subnet or hardware address. Just >move lines 5 and 6 to the top of the file with other globals. >The values for any option (lines 7 and 8) can be different for >each scope, just not the type of the data. > > > From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 28 19:42:55 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:42:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] X system keyboard settings vs. GNOME keyboard settings Message-ID: <431213BF.5050404@maltzen.net> I'm using IceWM with my 4.2.1 server. Whenever a user logs in at a client, after IceWM comes up, an 'Information' dialog box pops up that says "The Xsystem keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings. Which set would you like to use?" and there are two choices, 'Use X Settings' and 'Use GNOME Settings'. What does this mean? Why does it come up? Which one should users be choosing? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 28 20:33:17 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script broken for K12ltsp FC4? In-Reply-To: <200508272147.j7RLldgQ022455@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200508272147.j7RLldgQ022455@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Wilson wrote: > Anyone fixed the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script yet? The script > that is included in the newest distro of K12ltsp points to the ooo-1.1 > directory, but FC4 uses OpenOffice 2.0. Is the fix as simple as replacing > this line? It is a bug (of the brown-bag sort). I have it fixed and will be uploading an update shortly... -Eric From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Aug 28 21:21:01 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:21:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script broken for K12ltsp FC4? In-Reply-To: References: <200508272147.j7RLldgQ022455@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <43122ABD.9050506@stmarys-school.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Wilson wrote: > >> Anyone fixed the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script yet? The script >> that is included in the newest distro of K12ltsp points to the ooo-1.1 >> directory, but FC4 uses OpenOffice 2.0. Is the fix as simple as >> replacing >> this line? > > > It is a bug (of the brown-bag sort). > > I have it fixed and will be uploading an update shortly... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Is this available to those of us using k124.2.1EL? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 28 21:27:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script broken for K12ltsp FC4? In-Reply-To: <43122ABD.9050506@stmarys-school.org> References: <200508272147.j7RLldgQ022455@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> <43122ABD.9050506@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, John Baillie wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> It is a bug (of the brown-bag sort). >> >> I have it fixed and will be uploading an update shortly... > Is this available to those of us using k124.2.1EL? This was a v4.4.0-specific buglette, no need for an update for v4.2.1EL. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Aug 28 21:29:17 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script broken for K12ltsp FC4? In-Reply-To: References: <200508272147.j7RLldgQ022455@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Wilson wrote: > >> Anyone fixed the openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh script yet? The script >> that is included in the newest distro of K12ltsp points to the ooo-1.1 >> directory, but FC4 uses OpenOffice 2.0. Is the fix as simple as replacing >> this line? > > It is a bug (of the brown-bag sort). > > I have it fixed and will be uploading an update shortly... The fixed package (ltsp_config) has been uploaded to the repository. "yum upgrade" will grab the new package and change the defaults. -Eric From hendersonh at unit5.org Sun Aug 28 23:30:45 2005 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:30:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac OSX and Edirectory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought I would put this question out to this list. I know there have been some people who have integrated Linux and Edirectory. We are trying to integrate OS X and edirectory and it seemed to be working until we found out about the little problem below. Does anyone have any suggestions? I think it is something on the Netware side, I just don't know where to look. ---> Anyone have any experience with integration of OSX and edirectory? We have integrated our Two High schools this summer. Everything seemed to be working well (and still is) for the Students at the root OU of the building Example ou=nchs,o=unit5 and ou=ncwhs,o=unit5 Students are in the root ous above. But, Staff are in a Staff ou Example ou=staff,ou=nchs,o=unit5 and ou=staff,ou=ncwhs,o=unit5 They can't mount the Server volume (error invalid password please reenter) when using Connect to Server When logging in via Authentication to LDAP they are able to authenticate, but it will not mount their Home directory. This only seems to be with the Staff logins and not the students (has to be the OU?) Any thoughts? -- Heath Henderson Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -- From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Aug 29 00:14:59 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 18:14:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using an etherboot thin client as a jetdirct device. Message-ID: <43125383.7070307@elp.rr.com> I have used the information that I have received to try and make this happen and it isn't working. That leads me to believe that there is something else I need to do so her is what I have done and what I'm using. Any help in resolving this would be greatly appreciated. Operating system: FC4.4 k12ltsp Thin client is an old computer set up for etherboot. The printer is an HP Laserjet 4 Plus parallel port device. Below are the changes placed in the files I was informed I needed to change lts.conf file modification [00:40:33:e2:e7:63] PRINTER_0_DEVIE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P dhcpd.conf file modification host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:40:33:e2:e7:63 fixed address 192.186.0.1 } I went to the dhcpd.leases file and removed the leases for this MAC address of this thin client. I ran updatedb before trying to set up the printer In printer setup I tried the IP address I had set and I also tried the MAC address nothing works. I tried this also using the MAC address in place of ws001 in the dhcpd.conf file. 1. What else do I need to do? 2. How do I do what ever it is I need to do? Thanks in advance Pat From tlegge at rogers.com Mon Aug 29 00:27:11 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Using an etherboot thin client as a jetdirct device. In-Reply-To: <43125383.7070307@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050829002711.45160.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > lts.conf file modification > [00:40:33:e2:e7:63] > PRINTER_0_DEVIE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P Spell DEVICE correctly... Tim From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Aug 29 02:01:18 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:01:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using an etherboot thin client as a jetdirct device. In-Reply-To: <20050829002711.45160.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050829002711.45160.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43126C6E.40902@elp.rr.com> I'm sure I did in the file itself. I was typing this from note I had copied out by hand. Timothy Legge wrote: >>lts.conf file modification >>[00:40:33:e2:e7:63] >> PRINTER_0_DEVIE = /dev/lp0 >> PRINTER_0_TYPE = P >> >> > > >Spell DEVICE correctly... > >Tim > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 02:06:24 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:06:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolBell 1.2.1 and SchoolTool 0.11.1 Released Message-ID: <92de6c880508281906732576f9@mail.gmail.com> Source and .deb versions of bugfix releases for SchoolBell and SchoolTool are now available on http://schooltool.org. These fix a permissions-related bug in SchoolTool and SchoolBell, so upgrades are recommended. Windows and Mac binaries will follow shortly. --Tom From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Mon Aug 29 01:59:08 2005 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:59:08 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Mac=20OSX=20and=20Edirect?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ory=3F?= Message-ID: The way i did it was using pam authentification with ncpfs. Do i understand correctly that you are authentifying through LDAP? >>> hendersonh at unit5.org 28/08/05 19:30 >>> I thought I would put this question out to this list. I know there have been some people who have integrated Linux and Edirectory. We are trying to integrate OS X and edirectory and it seemed to be working until we found out about the little problem below. Does anyone have any suggestions? I think it is something on the Netware side, I just don't know where to look. ---> Anyone have any experience with integration of OSX and edirectory? We have integrated our Two High schools this summer. Everything seemed to be working well (and still is) for the Students at the root OU of the building Example ou=nchs,o=unit5 and ou=ncwhs,o=unit5 Students are in the root ous above. But, Staff are in a Staff ou Example ou=staff,ou=nchs,o=unit5 and ou=staff,ou=ncwhs,o=unit5 They can't mount the Server volume (error invalid password please reenter) when using Connect to Server When logging in via Authentication to LDAP they are able to authenticate, but it will not mount their Home directory. This only seems to be with the Staff logins and not the students (has to be the OU?) Any thoughts? -- Heath Henderson Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Mon Aug 29 02:21:23 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Using an etherboot thin client as a jetdirct device. In-Reply-To: <43126C6E.40902@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050829022123.10871.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "John P. Conlon" wrote: > I'm sure I did in the file itself. I was typing > this from note I had > copied out by hand. I figured you probably did... I always specify the client name in lts.conf but it should not matter. I assume you restarted the client? You could try this simple test: telnet printer_ip_address 9100 This is a test. M J L ] exit You will not see what you type but is should eject a page if the printer is correctly configured... Tim > Timothy Legge wrote: > > >>lts.conf file modification > >>[00:40:33:e2:e7:63] > >> PRINTER_0_DEVIE = /dev/lp0 > >> PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > >> > >> > > > > > >Spell DEVICE correctly... > > > >Tim > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hendersonh at unit5.org Mon Aug 29 02:37:50 2005 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:37:50 -0500 Subject: R=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=p. : [K12OSN] Mac OSX and Edirectory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, LDAP authentication works great, but when we go to mount the volume as a user in ou=staff,ou=school,o=district We get invalid password or username. Ou=school,o=district work great. But sub OU's don't work at all. -- Heath Henderson Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -- On 8/28/05 8:59 PM, "Guy-Michel Lessard" wrote: > The way i did it was using pam authentification with ncpfs. Do i understand > correctly that you are authentifying through LDAP? > > >>>> hendersonh at unit5.org 28/08/05 19:30 >>> > I thought I would put this question out to this list. I know there have > been some people who have integrated Linux and Edirectory. We are trying to > integrate OS X and edirectory and it seemed to be working until we found out > about the little problem below. Does anyone have any suggestions? I think > it is something on the Netware side, I just don't know where to look. > > > ---> > > Anyone have any experience with integration of OSX and edirectory? > > We have integrated our Two High schools this summer. Everything seemed to > be working well (and still is) for the Students at the root OU of the > building > > Example > > ou=nchs,o=unit5 and ou=ncwhs,o=unit5 > > Students are in the root ous above. > > But, Staff are in a Staff ou > Example > ou=staff,ou=nchs,o=unit5 and ou=staff,ou=ncwhs,o=unit5 > > They can't mount the Server volume (error invalid password please reenter) > when using Connect to Server > > When logging in via Authentication to LDAP they are able to authenticate, > but it will not mount their Home directory. This only seems to be with the > Staff logins and not the students (has to be the OU?) > > Any thoughts? > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Aug 29 03:02:15 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:02:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using an etherboot thin client as a jetdirct device. In-Reply-To: <20050829022123.10871.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050829022123.10871.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43127AB7.60703@elp.rr.com> I'll try this when I get to school tomorrow. Timothy Legge wrote: >--- "John P. Conlon" wrote: > > > >>I'm sure I did in the file itself. I was typing >>this from note I had >>copied out by hand. >> >> > >I figured you probably did... I always specify the >client name in lts.conf but it should not matter. > >I assume you restarted the client? > >You could try this simple test: > >telnet printer_ip_address 9100 > >This is a test. M J >L > >] >exit > >You will not see what you type but is should eject a >page if the printer is correctly configured... > >Tim > > > >>Timothy Legge wrote: >> >> >> >>>>lts.conf file modification >>>>[00:40:33:e2:e7:63] >>>> PRINTER_0_DEVIE = /dev/lp0 >>>> PRINTER_0_TYPE = P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Spell DEVICE correctly... >>> >>>Tim >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 29 03:41:27 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolBell 1.2.1 and SchoolTool 0.11.1 Released In-Reply-To: <92de6c880508281906732576f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880508281906732576f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Tom Hoffman wrote: > Source and .deb versions of bugfix releases for SchoolBell and > SchoolTool are now available on http://schooltool.org. These fix a > permissions-related bug in SchoolTool and SchoolBell, so upgrades are > recommended. > > Windows and Mac binaries will follow shortly. > > --Tom Untested packages for K12LTSP 4.4.0 are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0.i386.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0.i386.rpm I'll add these to the update repositories after they have been tested. If you test them out yourself, please let me whether or not they work for you... -Eric From mwebb at addisonboot.com Mon Aug 29 10:39:32 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:39:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] wine and msoffice 2000 Message-ID: <4312E5E4.6070301@addisonboot.com> has anyone had any luck getting msoffice, k12ltsp ver 4.2 and wine working together?? i tried downloading the lastest and greatest version of wine (wine-20050524-1frc3winehq.i386.rpm) but that didn't work. then i tried using the winetools to help me, removed wine-20050524 because winetools said that it won't work with that version of wine and installed wine-20041019-1fc2winehq.i386.rpm then xdialog-2.1.2-1.1.fc3.rf.i386.rpm then winetools-2.1.2-jo.i386. when i run winetools the first part seems to go okay, the next part does'nt work because it can't download the arial fonts, (but i don't believe thats a show stopper), the next part it tries to download internet explorer 6.0, that work, it then tries to install internet explorer 6.0, that that part fails. wintools knows that it fails but does nothing except exit gracefully. does anyone have a simple how-to on installing msoffice 2000. i need excel and word. spending money is not an option (codeweaver). yes i know openoffice is great, but i'm not the boss. From dbm at us.ibm.com Mon Aug 29 16:58:58 2005 From: dbm at us.ibm.com (Dave Murray) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:58:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dave Murray/Rochester/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 08/29/2005 and will not return until 08/30/2005. I will be out of the office and will not be checking messages. From jh at clongowes.net Mon Aug 29 18:15:34 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:15:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell 1.2 pdf In-Reply-To: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> Upgraded to schoolbell 1.2.1 using Erics package (Thanks Eric) and it seems to working ok for me, though I'm at early stages yet. I read on the website that pdfs could be generated but I don't see it anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks jh From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:30:30 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:30:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell 1.2 pdf In-Reply-To: <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> Message-ID: <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/05, John Hegarty wrote: > Upgraded to schoolbell 1.2.1 using Erics package (Thanks Eric) and it > seems to working ok for me, though I'm at early stages yet. > > I read on the website that pdfs could be generated but I don't see it > anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction? Ah, good point. That's why it's a "test" RPM ;-) You need two things: ReportLab, which is an open source Python library. It looks like an rpm may exist called python-reportlab. Is this in K12LTSP? TrueType fonts. You need them and schoolbell.conf needs to point to their location. Is there an RPM for these in K12LTSP? --Tom From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Aug 29 18:26:16 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:26:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? Message-ID: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> Hello, I ran yum list hoping to find the new version of OO but only found the 1.1.2 packages for OpenOffice. Is there an official K12 OpenOffice1.9.xx = package for k124.2.1EL in the pipe? Or can I use the K12 4.4 packages and setup scripts? Thanks, John From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 29 19:02:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:02:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <43135BB2.9010803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > I ran yum list hoping to find the new version of OO but only found the > 1.1.2 packages for OpenOffice. Correct. The EL "enterprise" builds specifically included older, well-tested versions of packages. If you want the "latest-n-greatest", bleeding-edge version of packages, that is what the 4.4.x release is for... > Is there an official K12 OpenOffice1.9.xx = package for k124.2.1EL in > the pipe? No. > Or can I use the K12 4.4 packages and setup scripts? No. Or at least "extremely unlikely", I have not 100% verified that this will not work ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's why it's a "test" RPM ;-) You need two things: > > ReportLab, which is an open source Python library. It looks like an > rpm may exist called python-reportlab. Is this in K12LTSP? python-report is not currently in K12LTSP, but it is in Fedora Extras. All I have to do is grab a copy, throw it into the repository, and add a dependency to the schoolbell package. No sweat. > TrueType fonts. You need them and schoolbell.conf needs to point to > their location. Is there an RPM for these in K12LTSP? I see in the config file that there is a sample entry for the MS TrueType fonts. These are not installed by default on K12LTSP, they have to be added after the install (this is one of the options in the "Add Additional Software" icon on the root desktop). I'll test this later, but might as well ask now. Are the MS TrueType fonts required or will the X.org TrueType fonts be adequate? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I passed the question on to our developers. --Tom From anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us Mon Aug 29 20:25:55 2005 From: anthony.luscre at neonet.k12.oh.us (mo_luscre) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:25:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 Message-ID: <430E4C96@neonet.k12.oh.us> This summer I did a completely new install on a server and lab that has been working fine for last 2 1/2 years. I originally had the built in NIC port of this Dell 600 Server as eth0. On the new installation it insisted on reversing the network cards, so now eth0 is a PCI Realtek NIC. OK, I thought I could live with the change, but I am having a baffling problem. All original hardware- cabling Amer.com switch and terminals are still in place. Wehn I switched the network cables on the server to allow for the changed eth0 the terminals could not connect. After many attempts at chaning NIC assignments in Fedeora still no connection. By accident I found if I insert a 10 based hub (not a switch) in the line between eth0 and the labs 24 port Amer.com switch everything works fine, but if I replace the hub with a 100 Switch no go! The only way the terminals connect is if there is the hub in the line (it only works when I use to standard ports and will not work if I use uplink port. I have also tried inserting a crossover cable in place of the hub but no go. I have tried a number of switches to check for a bad switch and still no go. I am stumped Anthony Luscre Technology Director Mogadore Local Schools From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Aug 29 20:47:07 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:47:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 Message-ID: <20050829134707.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b19e951959.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Aug 29 21:02:19 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] struggling with sound In-Reply-To: References: <33042.163.41.147.56.1125007592.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <37698.163.41.146.216.1125349339.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > Run (in terminal as root) > > gstreamer-properties > > Set it for ESD if it isn't I've got it set for ESD, and I actually have gotten sound mostly working. It seems there was some setting I changed in my test user account that was breaking stuff as a freshly created user gets working sound. I suspect it might have been having the "Start sound server" option in the gnome sound settings enabled. I didn't think to track down exactly what the problem was before destroying and re-creating that account. This is great progress. However, this has exposed a new problem. If user A boots up a workstation and logs in and uses the multimedia systems selector to generate a test tone, he gets a sound. If he logs out and user B sits down and logs in, he does not. Instead, user B gets the error "Failed to contruct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'". User A can come back and log in again and have sound. I searched through the list postings for this stuff and have seen what seems to be a couple of other people run into this problem, but there was not a solution found. It also seemed that they did not make the connection that the first user to login at the workstation gets sound but nobody else does. I am guessing this is some sort of permission problem, but I am not sure. I am going to dig into it some more this afternoon and if I find a solution I'll post it here and on the wiki. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Aug 29 21:23:31 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:23:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Samba issue Message-ID: <43137CD3.2020907@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, Once again I come seeking assistance with my Samba/LDAP PDC. Something has changed and I don't know where to look. It seems that the LDAP and Samba groups are out of sync. If I use Webmin to add a user to a domain group, the Windows machines don't recognize the change. If I use ./smbldap-groupmod it says the group doesn't exist. I "vampired" all of this stuff from an existing NT domain controller and things have worked as expected for a couple of months, but in the last few days the link between Samba and LDAP seems to have been broken. I really need to get this working again, and I would appreciate any suggestions anyone has to offer. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." ---Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 29 21:34:10 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:34:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: <430E4C96@neonet.k12.oh.us> References: <430E4C96@neonet.k12.oh.us> Message-ID: <43137F52.8020304@maltzen.net> Perhaps you already tried this, but have you edited the /etc/modules.conf file to reverse the card-to-ethernet-port assignments? In other words, what happens if you set the onboard NIC to be eth0 again? Petre mo_luscre wrote: > This summer I did a completely new install on a server and lab that has been > working fine for last 2 1/2 years. I originally had the built in NIC port of > this Dell 600 Server as eth0. On the new installation it insisted on reversing > the network cards, so now eth0 is a PCI Realtek NIC. OK, I thought I could > live with the change, but I am having a baffling problem. All original > hardware- cabling Amer.com switch and terminals are still in place. Wehn I > switched the network cables on the server to allow for the changed eth0 the > terminals could not connect. After many attempts at chaning NIC assignments in > Fedeora still no connection. By accident I found if I insert a 10 based hub > (not a switch) in the line between eth0 and the labs 24 port Amer.com switch > everything works fine, but if I replace the hub with a 100 Switch no go! The > only way the terminals connect is if there is the hub in the line (it only > works when I use to standard ports and will not work if I use uplink port. I > have also tried inserting a crossover cable in place of the hub but no go. I > have tried a number of switches to check for a bad switch and still no go. > > I am stumped > > Anthony Luscre > Technology Director > Mogadore Local Schools > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Aug 29 22:04:54 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:04:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fixed IP for thin client as jetdirect terminal not working Message-ID: <43138686.5010201@elp.rr.com> I'm using FC4.4 k12ltsp I have edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows: host ws003{ HARDWARE ETHERNET 00:40:33:E2:e7:63 FIXED ADDRESS 192.168.0.1 } I save the change and went to dhcpd.leases and removed everything with the terminals MAC address in it. I did an updatedb I did a power off and restart on the terminal When I checked the dhcpd.leases file the terminal had an IP of 192.168.0.253 instead of the fixed IP it should have had. How do I get this critter to do what it is supposed to do? Also can I use the MAC address in place of ws003? Please give good instructions. Thanks in advance Pat From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Aug 29 22:22:09 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:22:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: <430E4C96@neonet.k12.oh.us> References: <430E4C96@neonet.k12.oh.us> Message-ID: <43138A91.8020009@stmarys-school.org> Hello, The old way to do this was add an alias in modules.conf but this has changed. One of these methods might work for you. Go to: /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices inside you should see a file for each nic. Edit each file to change eth0 to eth1 and then eth1 to eth0. restart your network service network restart and verify Or from the network gui: Go to the hardware tab double click one of the nics change the device to fit your needs save changes, restart network. hth. mo_luscre wrote: >This summer I did a completely new install on a server and lab that has been >working fine for last 2 1/2 years. I originally had the built in NIC port of >this Dell 600 Server as eth0. On the new installation it insisted on reversing >the network cards, so now eth0 is a PCI Realtek NIC. OK, I thought I could >live with the change, but I am having a baffling problem. All original >hardware- cabling Amer.com switch and terminals are still in place. Wehn I >switched the network cables on the server to allow for the changed eth0 the >terminals could not connect. After many attempts at chaning NIC assignments in >Fedeora still no connection. By accident I found if I insert a 10 based hub >(not a switch) in the line between eth0 and the labs 24 port Amer.com switch >everything works fine, but if I replace the hub with a 100 Switch no go! The >only way the terminals connect is if there is the hub in the line (it only >works when I use to standard ports and will not work if I use uplink port. I >have also tried inserting a crossover cable in place of the hub but no go. I >have tried a number of switches to check for a bad switch and still no go. > >I am stumped > >Anthony Luscre >Technology Director >Mogadore Local Schools > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 29 23:05:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:05:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell 1.2 pdf In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805082912347073f7e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <43135F48.8050602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c8805082912347073f7e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431394BC.9040401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 8/29/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>I'll test this later, but might as well ask now. Are the MS TrueType >>fonts required or will the X.org TrueType fonts be adequate? > > > I don't know. I passed the question on to our developers. > > --Tom From a quick test, it looks like the MS TrueType fonts are required: Warning: font '/usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts/timesbd.ttf' does not exist. PDF support disabled. That is a bummer since the MS TrueType fonts have an iffy redistribution license, I don't feel comfortable shipping them as part of K12LTSP. (the "Add Additional Software" trick does work for this, however) Anyways, here are updated packages that support the PDF printing functionality (if the user installs the MS TrueType fonts): ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0a.i386.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0a.i386.rpm Be sure to install python-reportlab before trying to install these packages: yum install python-reportlab -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I use Webmin to add a user to a domain > group, the Windows machines don't recognize the change. If I use > ./smbldap-groupmod it says the group doesn't exist. I "vampired" all of > this stuff from an existing NT domain controller and things have worked as > expected for a couple of months, but in the last few days the link between > Samba and LDAP seems to have been broken. I really need to get this > working again, and I would appreciate any suggestions anyone has to offer. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." ---Thomas > Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Aug 29 23:12:15 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:12:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp Message-ID: <4313964F.7040705@snarlnet.com> Hi, Has someone compiled instructions and/or best practices for upgrading k12ltsp servers? I took the precaution when I installed of putting /home on a physically separate drive, but I don't know exactly how that helps me no that I'm getting the urge to jump from the FC2 based distro I'm running now to whatever is current. I'm afraid of wiping out existing home directory stuff and some settings (I'm running a web server on the same machine.) Surely someone has a good algorythm for what to do in what sequence to have a fairly fast and seamless upgrade experience. Surely I shouldn't have to rewrite httpd.conf, ltsp.conf, hosts, etc. Unless the new distro has new formats and features for all that stuff. Has someone written this up and/or wikified it somewhere? (The Archive search is pretty useless to me, BTW) I also have a related question. What's the learning curve going to be like when switching to the new Ubuntu scheme? Is the desktop going to look reasonably familiar, the directory structure the same, etc. Or is Ubuntu drastically different from Fedora? Thanks, ck From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Aug 29 23:26:01 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:26:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: <43135BB2.9010803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> <43135BB2.9010803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43139989.3050707@stmarys-school.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I ran yum list hoping to find the new version of OO but only found the >> 1.1.2 packages for OpenOffice. > > > Correct. The EL "enterprise" builds specifically included older, > well-tested versions of packages. If you want the "latest-n-greatest", > bleeding-edge version of packages, that is what the 4.4.x release is > for... > >> Is there an official K12 OpenOffice1.9.xx = package for k124.2.1EL in >> the pipe? > > > No. > >> Or can I use the K12 4.4 packages and setup scripts? > > > No. Or at least "extremely unlikely", I have not 100% verified that this > will not work ;-) > > > -Eric > I have OO 1.9.118 installed on a test box and thought I'd take a whack at getting the oo specific lts_config scripts to work on EL. Yeah I know... but it's too late to switch OS's. I looked for the source rpms for the updated lts_config files but only found ltsp_config-0.0.32-k12ltsp.4.4.0.src.rpm Can you pass them on to me Eric? I had been looking at George Kocke's userprep to push out OO 1.9.xxx but I'd like to see if I can get this to work. John From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 23:37:48 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:37:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell 1.2 pdf In-Reply-To: <431394BC.9040401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <43135F48.8050602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c8805082912347073f7e3@mail.gmail.com> <431394BC.9040401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <92de6c88050829163756c60afa@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > From a quick test, it looks like the MS TrueType fonts are required: > > Warning: font '/usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts/timesbd.ttf' does > not exist. > PDF support disabled. For better or worse, you aren't getting off that easy, Eric. The location of the fonts is set in schooltool.conf.in So if X.org provides its own version of timesbd.ttf, there is a good chance it will work if you point to it. --Tom From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 29 23:46:42 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:46:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell 1.2 pdf In-Reply-To: <92de6c88050829163756c60afa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <43135F48.8050602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c8805082912347073f7e3@mail.gmail.com> <431394BC.9040401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c88050829163756c60afa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43139E62.5040705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 8/29/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >> From a quick test, it looks like the MS TrueType fonts are required: >> >> Warning: font '/usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts/timesbd.ttf' does >> not exist. >> PDF support disabled. > > > For better or worse, you aren't getting off that easy, Eric. The > location of the fonts is set in schooltool.conf.in So if X.org > provides its own version of timesbd.ttf, there is a good chance it > will work if you point to it. > > --Tom I have not had luck finding a non-MS timesdb.ttf. If someone knows of one that can be redistributed under a GPL/X/BSD/etc license, I'd love a pointer. I may also try copying one of the X.org True Type fonts to "timesdb.ttf" and see how that flies ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 29 23:52:59 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:52:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: <43139989.3050707@stmarys-school.org> References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> <43135BB2.9010803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43139989.3050707@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John Baillie wrote: >> > I have OO 1.9.118 installed on a test box and thought I'd take a whack > at getting the oo specific lts_config scripts to work on EL. > > Yeah I know... but it's too late to switch OS's. > > I looked for the source rpms for the updated lts_config files but only > found ltsp_config-0.0.32-k12ltsp.4.4.0.src.rpm > > Can you pass them on to me Eric? > > I had been looking at George Kocke's userprep > to push out OO 1.9.xxx but I'd like to see if I can get this to work. Attached are my patches. These will *probably* work with OO 1.9.118, but may require a small amount of tweaking on the pathnames. 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In-Reply-To: <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> <43135BB2.9010803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43139989.3050707@stmarys-school.org> <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: found no attatchementes ;-) Kevin Op 30-aug-05, om 01:52 heeft Eric Harrison het volgende geschreven: > John Baillie wrote: > > >>> >>> >> I have OO 1.9.118 installed on a test box and thought I'd take a >> whack >> at getting the oo specific lts_config scripts to work on EL. >> >> Yeah I know... but it's too late to switch OS's. >> >> I looked for the source rpms for the updated lts_config files but >> only >> found ltsp_config-0.0.32-k12ltsp.4.4.0.src.rpm >> >> Can you pass them on to me Eric? >> >> I had been looking at George Kocke's userprep >> to push out OO 1.9.xxx but I'd like to see if I can get this to work. >> > > > Attached are my patches. These will *probably* work with OO > 1.9.118, but > may require a small amount of tweaking on the pathnames. > > > Usage is pretty straight-forward: > > 1) save the attached patches on the server, say in /root/ooo-patches/ > > 2) apply the patches: > > cd /root/ooo-patches > patch -p0 -N < oo-writer-doc.patch > patch -p0 -N < oo-calc-xls.patch > patch -p0 -N < oo-impress-ppt.patch > > > 3) done! > > > > -Eric > --- /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ > openoffice/Setup/Setup-calc.xcu.orig 2005-08-29 > 15:33:02.000000000 -0700 > +++ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ > openoffice/Setup/Setup-calc.xcu 2005-08-29 15:37:35.000000000 -0700 > @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ > CalcCommands > > > - calc8 > + MS Excel 97 > > > private:factory/scalc > --- /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ > openoffice/Setup/Setup-impress.xcu.orig 2005-08-29 > 15:33:10.000000000 -0700 > +++ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ > openoffice/Setup/Setup-impress.xcu 2005-08-29 15:37:58.000000000 > -0700 > @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ > DrawImpressCommands > > > - impress8 > + MS PowerPoint 97 > > > private:factory/simpress?slot=6686 > --- /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ > openoffice/Setup/Setup-writer.xcu.orig 2005-08-29 > 15:32:57.000000000 -0700 > +++ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ > openoffice/Setup/Setup-writer.xcu 2005-08-29 15:33:29.000000000 > -0700 > @@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ > WriterCommands > > > - writer8 > + MS Word 97 > > > private:factory/swriter > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Aug 30 00:23:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:23:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: <20050829134707.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b19e951959.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050829134707.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b19e951959.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, August 29, 2005 at 4:47 PM +0000 wrote: >Why don't you just pull out the Realtek card and that will force the >server to use the onboard NIC as eth0? Sounds like it is an old NIC card >that doesn't play well with the Amer switch. I have seen before where >certain NIC's were not compatible with an Amer switch. So much for >standards. The Amer stuff is pretty low end networking gear and >sometimes doesn't work very well. Is the RealTec NIC a 10/100 or just a >10 Mbs NIC? Sounds like the Amer isn't doing a good job of autosensing. Don'ty blame the Amer Switch....I have a whole building full of them 50+ ranging from little 5 ports to 24 port and gig switches....I also have MANY C110W Amer NIC's. I have a schoolwide LTSP network (600 users) and not one issue. Sounds like the network card may be partly to blame. Take out the NIC and replace with another...try the switch again and then see.....you can also try another Amer switch....it's possible you have a lemon, but not to worry as it has a lifetime warranty. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 30 00:25:33 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fixed IP for thin client as jetdirect terminal not working In-Reply-To: <43138686.5010201@elp.rr.com> References: <43138686.5010201@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: John, You didn't mention whether you restarted dhcpd. The other thing to double check is the MAC address. I've made the mistake more than once, of entering the wrong value there. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > I'm using FC4.4 k12ltsp > I have edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows: > host ws003{ > HARDWARE ETHERNET 00:40:33:E2:e7:63 > FIXED ADDRESS 192.168.0.1 > } > > I save the change and went to dhcpd.leases and removed everything with the > terminals MAC address in it. > I did an updatedb > I did a power off and restart on the terminal > > When I checked the dhcpd.leases file the terminal had an IP of 192.168.0.253 > instead of the fixed IP it should have had. > > How do I get this critter to do what it is supposed to do? > Also can I use the MAC address in place of ws003? > Please give good instructions. > Thanks in advance > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From andy at spitcomp.com Tue Aug 30 00:54:02 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:54:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: References: <20050829134707.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b19e951959.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: I would think that the auto sensing is a pretty good guess, although I would look at duplex rather than speed -- if you can not configure the switch then set the card to 10 / half, and then bump it up from there -- you might find that as long as nothing has to "auto" sense that you can run at any speed you like. I discovered this problem the hard way on Cisco 2950's with IBM's built in NICs-- which makes me think that the cost of the hardware is not a guarantee of problem free networking. Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Aug 29, 2005, at 8:23 PM, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Monday, August 29, 2005 at 4:47 PM +0000 wrote: > >> Why don't you just pull out the Realtek card and that will force the >> server to use the onboard NIC as eth0? Sounds like it is an old >> NIC card >> that doesn't play well with the Amer switch. I have seen before >> where >> certain NIC's were not compatible with an Amer switch. So much for >> standards. The Amer stuff is pretty low end networking gear and >> sometimes doesn't work very well. Is the RealTec NIC a 10/100 or >> just a >> 10 Mbs NIC? Sounds like the Amer isn't doing a good job of >> autosensing. >> > > Don'ty blame the Amer Switch....I have a whole building full of > them 50+ > ranging from little 5 ports to 24 port and gig switches....I also have > MANY C110W Amer NIC's. I have a schoolwide LTSP network (600 > users) and > not one issue. Sounds like the network card may be partly to > blame. Take > out the NIC and replace with another...try the switch again and then > see.....you can also try another Amer switch....it's possible you > have a > lemon, but not to worry as it has a lifetime warranty. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Conlon wrote: > > >> I'm using FC4.4 k12ltsp >> I have edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows: >> host ws003{ >> HARDWARE ETHERNET 00:40:33:E2:e7:63 >> FIXED ADDRESS 192.168.0.1 >> } >> >> I save the change and went to dhcpd.leases and removed everything >> with the >> terminals MAC address in it. >> I did an updatedb >> I did a power off and restart on the terminal >> >> When I checked the dhcpd.leases file the terminal had an IP of >> 192.168.0.253 >> instead of the fixed IP it should have had. >> >> How do I get this critter to do what it is supposed to do? >> Also can I use the MAC address in place of ws003? >> Please give good instructions. >> Thanks in advance >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 30 02:16:42 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:16:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: <20050829181716.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4a90fe8e27.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050829181716.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4a90fe8e27.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4313C18A.8040100@stmarys-school.org> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > You can't ignore the fact that they are very low end products. I have > been a systems engineer for 15 years and have sold/supported > everything from very high end Cisco equipment to stuff like the Amer > products. It is what it is, a very inexpensive networking device. > You can't expect them to be the same quality as the higher-end > products. I have seen many problems with them, but hey for the money > throw in another one. When you start comparing switching fabrics and > different switching protocols, there are many differences in the > expensive stuff compared to the low end products. > > I am sure that the NIC is not very robust either. But it does work > with the hub, not the switch. > > You can't expect the same performance from a Yugo that you can from a > Ferrari. > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > You bring up something I have been wondering about for a while Ronald. We too have been using Amer products for 3+ years without a hitch. Before purchasing I searched the net and news groups for negative comments and could not find much one way or the other which led me to wonder A. No one has any complaints B. No one is using the stuff Although these are all managed switches with all sorts of features, VLANs, spanning tree algorithm, port aggregation and more, I have never had an occasion to use them. With that said, what kind of performance improvement could I expect to see if I compared a more expensive set of switches, only used in its most basic form? We would have to be comparing switches with same technology, for instance layer 3 to layer 3. I'm not bating you, I am honestly curious. I have not had the opportunity to work with high end switches and routers. John From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Aug 30 02:26:44 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:26:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Converting a distro into K12LTSP Message-ID: Hi gang I read about it and then I lost the thread. If one installs say plain Fedora 4 on a server, what patch/procedure should one follow to "convert" the distro into one running K12LTSP? I believe one had to go through apt-get, change the default repository and do some sort of apt-get install k12ltsp... or am I in the midst of Katrina? Thanks Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Aug 30 03:03:44 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:03:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 Message-ID: <20050829200344.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dbb53a59f6.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The > location of the fonts is set in schooltool.conf.in So if X.org > provides its own version of timesbd.ttf, there is a good chance it > will work if you point to it. How's this for an ugly hack.... I symlinked the Vera BitStream fonts to the names of the MS Core fonts and pointed SchoolBell/SchoolTool at the symlinks ;-) (/etc/school[bell|tool]/fonts/) I left the config for the real MS Core fonts commented out in the config files so it is easy to change. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0b.i386.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0b.i386.rpm -Eric From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 23:41:31 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:41:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running NovaNet on clients In-Reply-To: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> References: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> Message-ID: <783D199B-C8CD-4F97-B2EF-DE4B30F71B2F@parkrose.k12.or.us> On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:20 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Is anyone accessing NovaNet from their thin clients? > > This is the link to it > > http://www.pearsondigital.com/novanet/ > > and one of our schools wants to expand their access to it. It > appears that it can accessed through a standard web browser, but I > sure would like to know if anyone has had experience with it yet. In my experience, Novanet is _not_ accessible via a web browser. Take a look at the system requirements and their description of the client requirements, which describe the "Portal" software. That is a Windows or Mac binary which must be installed on each workstation. http://www.pearsondigital.com/secure/novanet/NNSysReq.pdf I've never tried a Wine installation, but that might be a possibility. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 30 03:58:01 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:58:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: <20050829182239.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f2742f605c.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050829182239.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f2742f605c.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4313D949.5070208@cmosnetworks.com> I agree with Ronald until you start talking about managed switches. I find that the managed Amer.com gear, specifically the SR48G2i, actually gives me more functionality than the Cat 2950, with one critical exception, and that's GVRP. I really wish Amer.com would start fully supporting GVRP in their managed switches (are you listening, Mark Wilhelm?). The SGR24, an unmanaged "dumb" Gig-E switch, is an apples-n-oranges comparison to either the 2950 or SR48G2i. It's essentially a Netgear mini-switch with 24 Gig-E ports and a hella-fast backplane. That said, the SGR24's worked well for me in LTSP deployments. I can certainly relate to Ronald's note about flashing the OS. We're a Cisco shop, and Cisco has become *infamous* at my place of work over the last few years for releasing stuff that ain't quite ready--witness the releases of Cat 3550 IOS before 12.1(19). Due to the size of our network, and that we really use a lot of the functionality of the gear, we seem to flush out a ton of bugs. Said bugs have caused us much, much headache, especially on Cat 6500 MSFC's, and since any long-time network engineers in the house know what 6500's are typically used for (yes, we're *that* big), y'all can imagine how bad that can be. I just today ran into what looks like a timing issue with 4506 code; wasn't fun. All that said, you can update the firmware on the managed Amer.com switches, but their policy seems more one of "when new functionality or an updated 802.3 standard comes out, we'll update" rather than "hey, there's a security hole, let's release a software update." That's a little scary given that the Amer.com switches do support SSH. If they're using any version of OpenSSH that's, say, pre-3.7, then that can, depending on how they're using that code, become a serious problem. --TP rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Certainly not a guarantee, however there is a lot more switching > technology put into that 2950 than an Amer.com switch. Or netgear, > linksys, Allied Telesyn, etc. Flashing a new OS on the 2950 should > have fixed that problem. I would also check and see if you can update > the OS on the Amer.com switch. I always recommend updating the OS on > any network product. They are always produced and released to market > before the kinks are worked out. > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 > From: Andrew Fisk > Date: Mon, August 29, 2005 7:54 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > I would think that the auto sensing is a pretty good guess, > although I would look at duplex rather than speed -- if you can > not configure the switch then set the card to 10 / half, and then > bump it up from there -- you might find that as long as nothing > has to "auto" sense that you can run at any speed you like. I > discovered this problem the hard way on Cisco 2950's with IBM's > built in NICs-- which makes me think that the cost of the hardware > is not a guarantee of problem free networking. > > > Andy > > Spitfire Computer Services > > 441 Beaver Street > > Suite 202 > > Sewickley, PA 15143 > > Phone (412) 749-0162 > > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > > andy at spitcomp.com > > www.spitcomp.com > > > On Aug 29, 2005, at 8:23 PM, David Trask wrote: > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> > on >> Monday, August 29, 2005 at 4:47 PM +0000 wrote: >> >>> Why don't you just pull out the Realtek card and that will force the >>> server to use the onboard NIC as eth0? Sounds like it is an old >>> NIC card >>> that doesn't play well with the Amer switch. I have seen before >>> where >>> certain NIC's were not compatible with an Amer switch. So much for >>> standards. The Amer stuff is pretty low end networking gear and >>> sometimes doesn't work very well. Is the RealTec NIC a 10/100 >>> or just a >>> 10 Mbs NIC? Sounds like the Amer isn't doing a good job of >>> autosensing. >>> >> >> Don'ty blame the Amer Switch....I have a whole building full of >> them 50+ >> ranging from little 5 ports to 24 port and gig switches....I also >> have >> MANY C110W Amer NIC's. I have a schoolwide LTSP network (600 >> users) and >> not one issue. Sounds like the network card may be partly to >> blame. Take >> out the NIC and replace with another...try the switch again and then >> see.....you can also try another Amer switch....it's possible you >> have a >> lemon, but not to worry as it has a lifetime warranty. >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Aug 30 04:01:39 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:01:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: <20050829182812.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5266e022a9.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050829182812.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5266e022a9.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4313DA23.4060908@cmosnetworks.com> I know what you mean. We have lots of Cat 3500XL's still in use, and Cisco's using that same clause on us whenever one goes bad. Yeesh...but it's a lesson to Read Thy Contracts! That includes the warranty info, BTW. :-) --TP rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > As far as the lifetime warranty stuff is concerned. There is a little > clause that states as long as the model is manufactured. We have a > bunch of SMC's best switches installed and they too are supposed to > have a life time warranty, several have failed and SMC said that they > no longer make that model. I have also had this experience with > Allied Telesyn who also state the same warranty on thier products. > > Just my 1.5 cents:) > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 > From: "David Trask" > Date: Mon, August 29, 2005 7:23 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Monday, August 29, 2005 at 4:47 PM +0000 wrote: > >Why don't you just pull out the Realtek card and that will force the > >server to use the onboard NIC as eth0? Sounds like it is an old > NIC card > >that doesn't play well with the Amer switch. I have seen before > where > >certain NIC's were not compatible with an Amer switch. So much for > >standards. The Amer stuff is pretty low end networking gear and > >sometimes doesn't work very well. Is the RealTec NIC a 10/100 or > just a > >10 Mbs NIC? Sounds like the Amer isn't doing a good job of > autosensing. > > Don'ty blame the Amer Switch....I have a whole building full of > them 50+ > ranging from little 5 ports to 24 port and gig switches....I also have > MANY C110W Amer NIC's. I have a schoolwide LTSP network (600 > users) and > not one issue. Sounds like the network card may be partly to > blame. Take > out the NIC and replace with another...try the switch again and then > see.....you can also try another Amer switch....it's possible you > have a > lemon, but not to worry as it has a lifetime warranty. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > From jh at clongowes.net Tue Aug 30 06:57:29 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:57:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell 1.2 pdf In-Reply-To: <20050830005416.D72717314E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050830005416.D72717314E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1125385049.11553.7.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> PDF Now working for me - Thanks again jh Eric said >Anyways, here are updated packages that support the PDF printing >functionality (if the user installs the MS TrueType fonts): ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0a.i386.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.0a.i386.rpm >Be sure to install python-reportlab before trying to install these >packages: yum install python-reportlab From scott at hosef.org Tue Aug 30 07:45:14 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:45:14 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <1124914870.21756.200.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <430CCF83.6020306@hosef.org> <1124914870.21756.200.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43140E8A.40904@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > > > I don't have a working example set up to net-boot on multiple > subnets. Mine look like this and are outside of any > share-subnet declaration (put your cursor on the { and hit > % in vi to find the matching brace): > > --- > #Subnet 10.201.4.0 is the New York office > subnet 10.201.4.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range 10.201.4.150 10.201.4.254; > option routers 10.201.4.1; > } #Subnet 10.201.6.0 is the Los Angles office Ethernet > subnet 10.201.6.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range 10.201.6.200 10.201.6.254; > option routers 10.201.6.1; > } > ---- > > Things inside a shared-subnet {..} are supposed on the same wire as > I recall, so you will have to repeat some of that stuff in the other > declarations to get the options for booting right. > This took care of establishing a functioning dhcp server on eth1. Thanks. I still cannot boot clients from the second interface. The error is "No boot filename found." I modified /etc/exports to include the 19.168.1 network. It appears that /etc/hosts.allow permits all 192.168 connections. In my dhcpd.conf file I added a root path to the 192.168.1 network. Same error. I have run the showmount -a and -e commands. The appropriate directories are exported. Only the 192.168.0.0:/opt/ltsp/i386 line shows, though, and not 192.168.1.0:/opt/ltsp/i386. Is this a clue? Thanks for any insight on this. I feel close. aloha --scott From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 11:56:36 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:56:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell 1.2 pdf In-Reply-To: References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <43135F48.8050602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c8805082912347073f7e3@mail.gmail.com> <431394BC.9040401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c88050829163756c60afa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c8805083004563b7ed5a1@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > > On 8/29/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >> From a quick test, it looks like the MS TrueType fonts are required: > >> > >> Warning: font '/usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts/timesbd.ttf' does > >> not exist. > >> PDF support disabled. > > > > For better or worse, you aren't getting off that easy, Eric. The > > location of the fonts is set in schooltool.conf.in So if X.org > > provides its own version of timesbd.ttf, there is a good chance it > > will work if you point to it. > > How's this for an ugly hack.... I symlinked the Vera BitStream fonts > to the names of the MS Core fonts and pointed SchoolBell/SchoolTool > at the symlinks ;-) (/etc/school[bell|tool]/fonts/) My understanding is that the TrueType fonts are necessary for unicode support, so I'd guess that this hack might break if you try to print something with non-English characters. --Tom From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 30 12:42:28 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:42:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <43140E8A.40904@hosef.org> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <430CCF83.6020306@hosef.org> <1124914870.21756.200.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43140E8A.40904@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1125405748.24981.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 02:45, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > > > I don't have a working example set up to net-boot on multiple > > subnets. Mine look like this and are outside of any > > share-subnet declaration (put your cursor on the { and hit > > % in vi to find the matching brace): > > > > --- > > #Subnet 10.201.4.0 is the New York office > > subnet 10.201.4.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > > range 10.201.4.150 10.201.4.254; > > option routers 10.201.4.1; > > } #Subnet 10.201.6.0 is the Los Angles office Ethernet > > subnet 10.201.6.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > > range 10.201.6.200 10.201.6.254; > > option routers 10.201.6.1; > > } > > ---- > > > > Things inside a shared-subnet {..} are supposed on the same wire as > > I recall, so you will have to repeat some of that stuff in the other > > declarations to get the options for booting right. > > > > This took care of establishing a functioning dhcp server on eth1. > Thanks. I still cannot boot clients from the second interface. > > The error is "No boot filename found." As I mentioned, I don't net boot on those interfaces - that was just an example for the syntax for other subnets. To boot, you need to supply the rest of the values you find inside the other scope. In particular you need next-server, filename and root-path options for booting. I'm not sure if you can move that whole stack of if/else/ logic to the global section of the file or if you have to repeat it for each scope to handle the PXE and ppc variations (which is why I didn't give an example before). It might be best to repeat it and change the addresses to the appropriate server interface address for the subnet. Anything within the {}' for one subnet isn't done on the others. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Aug 30 12:48:02 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS failed after power failure Message-ID: Howdy. . . Wierd problem . . . We had a power failure the other day due to a SysCo food truck and a telephone cable getting in a fight and after the power was restored, this server will no longer start NFS. I can reboot and it will get to the line that says Starting NFS and sit there for the rest of your life. I did run the fsck when the server was starting so I don't think there is a filesystem error. I did chkconfig nfs off to make it not load on bootup, but NFS isn't loading so terminals won't start from it this way. Server is FC3 and standard K12LTSP install with custom configurations in samba and etc. All was working great until the power failure. Any ideas where to look for why NFS won't restart? Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Aug 30 12:50:18 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:50:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS: Update Message-ID: Update. . .' I just went to try it again just to see if it worked and it started NFS just fine. . . I worked nearly all day the other day trying to get it back up to no avail and gave up for then. What could have caused that, anyway so I'll know what to do in the futture? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 30 13:08:13 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:08:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> <43135BB2.9010803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43139989.3050707@stmarys-school.org> <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43145A3D.5020203@maltzen.net> Hmm, the attachments came through for me. I'm using Thunderbird, and it saw the attachments, and also showed their contents in the message body. Petre Kevin Verheyen wrote: > found no attatchementes ;-) > > Kevin > > Op 30-aug-05, om 01:52 heeft Eric Harrison het volgende geschreven: > >> John Baillie wrote: >> >> >>>> >>>> >>> I have OO 1.9.118 installed on a test box and thought I'd take a whack >>> at getting the oo specific lts_config scripts to work on EL. >>> >>> Yeah I know... but it's too late to switch OS's. >>> >>> I looked for the source rpms for the updated lts_config files but only >>> found ltsp_config-0.0.32-k12ltsp.4.4.0.src.rpm >>> >>> Can you pass them on to me Eric? >>> >>> I had been looking at George Kocke's userprep >>> to push out OO 1.9.xxx but I'd like to see if I can get this to work. >>> >> >> >> Attached are my patches. These will *probably* work with OO 1.9.118, but >> may require a small amount of tweaking on the pathnames. >> >> >> Usage is pretty straight-forward: >> >> 1) save the attached patches on the server, say in /root/ooo-patches/ >> >> 2) apply the patches: >> >> cd /root/ooo-patches >> patch -p0 -N < oo-writer-doc.patch >> patch -p0 -N < oo-calc-xls.patch >> patch -p0 -N < oo-impress-ppt.patch >> >> >> 3) done! >> >> >> >> -Eric >> --- /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ >> openoffice/Setup/Setup-calc.xcu.orig 2005-08-29 15:33:02.000000000 >> -0700 >> +++ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ >> openoffice/Setup/Setup-calc.xcu 2005-08-29 15:37:35.000000000 -0700 >> @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ >> CalcCommands >> >> >> - calc8 >> + MS Excel 97 >> >> >> private:factory/scalc >> --- /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ >> openoffice/Setup/Setup-impress.xcu.orig 2005-08-29 >> 15:33:10.000000000 -0700 >> +++ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ >> openoffice/Setup/Setup-impress.xcu 2005-08-29 15:37:58.000000000 >> -0700 >> @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ >> DrawImpressCommands >> >> >> - impress8 >> + MS PowerPoint 97 >> >> >> private:factory/simpress?slot=6686 >> --- /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ >> openoffice/Setup/Setup-writer.xcu.orig 2005-08-29 >> 15:32:57.000000000 -0700 >> +++ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry/modules/org/ >> openoffice/Setup/Setup-writer.xcu 2005-08-29 15:33:29.000000000 -0700 >> @@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ >> WriterCommands >> >> >> - writer8 >> + MS Word 97 >> >> >> private:factory/swriter >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Aug 30 13:14:15 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:14:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Samba issue Message-ID: <43145BA7.8090003@honeygroveisd.net> > Webmin module for LDAP do not work, if your LDAP server is properly > configured you should be able to perform those task with > usermanager.exe. You can get it from a WindowsNT install disk > > > --mark I had been using Webmin quite effectively for some time, and I had been using User Manager as well. At the moment, however, neither of them are working. When I try to add a user to or remove a user from a group everything seems to go a bit haywire. I'm sure it's a config issue or a permissions problem, but I haven't been able to track it down. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The gene pool could use a little chlorine. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 30 13:29:37 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:29:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> <43135BB2.9010803@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43139989.3050707@stmarys-school.org> <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43145F41.4000305@stmarys-school.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > >>> >> I have OO 1.9.118 installed on a test box and thought I'd take a whack >> at getting the oo specific lts_config scripts to work on EL. >> >> Yeah I know... but it's too late to switch OS's. >> >> I looked for the source rpms for the updated lts_config files but only >> found ltsp_config-0.0.32-k12ltsp.4.4.0.src.rpm >> >> Can you pass them on to me Eric? >> >> I had been looking at George Kocke's userprep >> to push out OO 1.9.xxx but I'd like to see if I can get this to work. > > > > Attached are my patches. These will *probably* work with OO 1.9.118, but > may require a small amount of tweaking on the pathnames. > > > Usage is pretty straight-forward: > > 1) save the attached patches on the server, say in /root/ooo-patches/ > > 2) apply the patches: > > cd /root/ooo-patches > patch -p0 -N < oo-writer-doc.patch > patch -p0 -N < oo-calc-xls.patch > patch -p0 -N < oo-impress-ppt.patch > > > 3) done! > > > > -Eric > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Thanks Eric, I updated to the latest version of OOo and changed the paths in your files to match EL but it failed. I gave my self a crash course on diff and patch, but I ended up manually entering the changes in the OOo regestry. I dug deep and googled hard on how to disable the Regestration process to no avail so I added the .openoffice.org.2 from a configured test users /home to /etc/skel Not sure if the following is the best method but it worked for me: It's a pain to remove all the beta rpms The following will help speed up the proccess. 1. rpm -qa | grep openoffice.org > OOrpms (might want to read OOrpms now and make sure these are the files you want to remove) 2. cat OOrpms | xargs rpm -e It might look like it stalled but it takes about a minute or so to complete. John From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Aug 30 14:01:49 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS failed after power failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050830140149.56382.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Doug Simpson wrote: > Howdy. . . > > Wierd problem . . . We had a power failure the other > day due to a SysCo > food truck and a telephone cable getting in a fight > and after the power > was restored, this server will no longer start NFS. > > I can reboot and it will get to the line that says > Starting NFS and sit > there for the rest of your life. I did run the fsck > when the server was > starting so I don't think there is a filesystem > error. > > I did chkconfig nfs off to make it not load on > bootup, but NFS isn't > loading so terminals won't start from it this way. > > Server is FC3 and standard K12LTSP install with > custom configurations in > samba and etc. All was working great until the > power failure. > > Any ideas where to look for why NFS won't restart? I always say that the first thing I check when a Linux server is misbehaving is disk space. Unfortunately I am normally 20 minutes into the issue and running out of options before I remember ;-) Also, I have seen nfs have problems starting when there was network issues on its interface... Tim From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 30 14:17:13 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:17:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/squidguard/dansguardian Message-ID: <23318622.1125411433513.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> Hi all, I suppose this has been addressed in some form, but this novice needs very SIMPLE instructions. I want to get webmin/squidguard/dansguardian going on a k12 terminal server. I'm trying to install webmin through the "add additional software" icon and its not working. How do I get my k12 server to filter the internet? Thanks! From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 30 14:40:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:40:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/squidguard/dansguardian In-Reply-To: <23318622.1125411433513.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> References: <23318622.1125411433513.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1125412844.11844.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 09:17, Will Hatch wrote: > I'm trying to install webmin through the "add additional software" icon and > its not working. Can you be a little more descriptive about how it fails? Try executing /usr/sbin/get.webmin as root from a terminal window (this does the same as clicking the icon but you might be able to see what happens a little better). Does your server have access to the internet or does everything have to run though a separate proxy? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 30 14:54:59 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:54:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/squidguard/dansguardian Message-ID: <12702366.1125413699611.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> Hi Les, Thanks for responding. I use IpCop as a router, between my modem and my k12box. It has an older version of Dansguardian on it; works great. I use a graphic interface to manage it. All this comes from addonz (http://www.dageek.co.uk/ipcop/addonz/). Here is what it says when I use the script you suggested: [root at server ~]# /usr/sbin/get.webmin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: webmin failure: repodata/repomd.xml from webmin: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ERROR: something went wrong with 'yum install webmin' Aborting :-( Press the Enter key to exit Thanks Les! From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Aug 30 15:11:08 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:11:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206466B1@hhpmail.hhp> John, Do you actually have installable 1.9 RPMS for 4.2.1EL (Aka Centos 4.1)? I couldn't install the FC4 ones, and i'm trudging through rebuilding the FC4 source package (and having to fix all the dependencies). I might be able to help some. Henry -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Tue 8/30/2005 9:29 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? Eric Harrison wrote: > John Baillie wrote: > >>> >> I have OO 1.9.118 installed on a test box and thought I'd take a whack >> at getting the oo specific lts_config scripts to work on EL. >> >> Yeah I know... but it's too late to switch OS's. >> >> I looked for the source rpms for the updated lts_config files but only >> found ltsp_config-0.0.32-k12ltsp.4.4.0.src.rpm >> >> Can you pass them on to me Eric? >> >> I had been looking at George Kocke's userprep >> to push out OO 1.9.xxx but I'd like to see if I can get this to work. > > > > Attached are my patches. These will *probably* work with OO 1.9.118, but > may require a small amount of tweaking on the pathnames. > > > Usage is pretty straight-forward: > > 1) save the attached patches on the server, say in /root/ooo-patches/ > > 2) apply the patches: > > cd /root/ooo-patches > patch -p0 -N < oo-writer-doc.patch > patch -p0 -N < oo-calc-xls.patch > patch -p0 -N < oo-impress-ppt.patch > > > 3) done! > > > > -Eric > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Thanks Eric, I updated to the latest version of OOo and changed the paths in your files to match EL but it failed. I gave my self a crash course on diff and patch, but I ended up manually entering the changes in the OOo regestry. I dug deep and googled hard on how to disable the Regestration process to no avail so I added the .openoffice.org.2 from a configured test users /home to /etc/skel Not sure if the following is the best method but it worked for me: It's a pain to remove all the beta rpms The following will help speed up the proccess. 1. rpm -qa | grep openoffice.org > OOrpms (might want to read OOrpms now and make sure these are the files you want to remove) 2. cat OOrpms | xargs rpm -e It might look like it stalled but it takes about a minute or so to complete. John From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 30 15:33:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:33:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/squidguard/dansguardian In-Reply-To: <12702366.1125413699611.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> References: <12702366.1125413699611.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1125416004.11844.39.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 09:54, Will Hatch wrote: > Hi Les, > > Thanks for responding. I use IpCop as a router, between my modem and my k12box. It has an older version of Dansguardian on it; works great. I use a graphic interface to manage it. All this comes from addonz (http://www.dageek.co.uk/ipcop/addonz/). Here is what it says when I use the script you suggested: > > [root at server ~]# /usr/sbin/get.webmin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: webmin > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from webmin: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > ERROR: something went wrong with 'yum install webmin' > Aborting :-( Can you access http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/webmin, and if so, did you have to configure a proxy in your browser to do it? If you need a proxy, you can export the setting on the command line in the http_proxy variable: http_proxy=your_proxy_address:port /usr/sbin/get.webmin And you might need the same for other yum updates. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 30 16:03:30 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:03:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/squidguard/dansguardian Message-ID: <27215799.1125417810481.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 09:54, Will Hatch wrote: > Hi Les, > > Thanks for responding. I use IpCop as a router, between my modem and my k12box. It has an older version of Dansguardian on it; works great. I use a graphic interface to manage it. All this comes from addonz (http://www.dageek.co.uk/ipcop/addonz/). Here is what it says when I use the script you suggested: > > [root at server ~]# /usr/sbin/get.webmin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up repositories > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: webmin > failure: repodata/repomd.xml from webmin: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > ERROR: something went wrong with 'yum install webmin' > Aborting :-( Can you access http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/webmin, and if so, did you have to configure a proxy in your browser to do it? If you need a proxy, you can export the setting on the command line in the http_proxy variable: http_proxy=your_proxy_address:port /usr/sbin/get.webmin And you might need the same for other yum updates. I cannot access that site. I do have a proxy set up with my ipcop. It is set to be transparent. Perhaps I should just directly connect my k12 box to the cable modem, and set aside the IpCop for now. Any ideas? From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 30 16:19:08 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:19:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/squidguard/dansguardian In-Reply-To: <27215799.1125417810481.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> References: <27215799.1125417810481.JavaMail.root@web7.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1125418748.11844.65.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 11:03, Will Hatch wrote: > Can you access http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/webmin, and > if so, did you have to configure a proxy in your browser to do it? > If you need a proxy, you can export the setting on the command line > in the http_proxy variable: > http_proxy=your_proxy_address:port /usr/sbin/get.webmin > And you might need the same for other yum updates. > > > I cannot access that site. I do have a proxy set up with my ipcop. It is set to be transparent. Perhaps I should just directly connect my k12 box to the cable modem, and set aside the IpCop for now. Any ideas? You might want to peek at the logs to see if you can tell why it is blocking the k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us site, but one way or another you have to get there to pick up the mirror list, then connect to one of the mirror sites for the actual download. A 'yum update' while you have the connection would be a good idea too... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mcantlin at plainfieldschool.org Tue Aug 30 16:43:11 2005 From: mcantlin at plainfieldschool.org (Mary Cantlin) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] script to add users Message-ID: <40905.68.169.196.132.1125420191.squirrel@mail.plainfieldschool.org> Is there a script to add users to ltsp server or do I need to do it one by one? Mary Cantlin Technology Coordinator Plainfield School Meriden, NH 03770 603-469-3250 fax 603 469-3985 www.plainfieldschool.org From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Aug 30 16:59:31 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:59:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] script to add users Message-ID: <20050830095931.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9ce2602e79.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 30 17:46:27 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] geode driver Message-ID: <46167.10.10.207.74.1125423987.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> I just installed (upgraded) a 4th grade lab today, and when I entered "geode" for the Cyrix 5530 video card, I was bummed to find it does not exist in current LTSP... Is there a replacement for geode? I tried copying geode_drv.o from an older install, but it fails out. Is there any hope for the old Cyrix 5530 cards with 4.4.0? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 30 17:51:00 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] webmin/squidguard/dansguardian Message-ID: <9458290.1125424260312.JavaMail.root@web9.mail.adelphia.net> I have webmin running, and have enabled squid through webmin (although I do not know if it is configured properly, but it says the proxy is running). How do I get dansguardian going? Thanks From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Aug 30 18:03:45 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:03:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] configuring dansguardian Message-ID: <2898386.1125425025756.JavaMail.root@web9.mail.adelphia.net> I downloaded Dansguardian, and it seemed to install. When I get to this page: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/dansguardian/ my problem begins. I get this for an error message: ERROR! Either the DG Binary or the config file was not found! Please check your module config! Expected binary file path: /usr/sbin/dansguardian Expected conf file path: /usr/local/etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf How does this rookie fix this and get content filtering to work??? From christiang020 at yahoo.es Tue Aug 30 18:16:01 2005 From: christiang020 at yahoo.es (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?Gonz=E1lez?= G.) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:16:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: <43145F41.4000305@stmarys-school.org> References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43145F41.4000305@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <200508301416.02158.christiang020@yahoo.es> El Mar 30 Ago 2005 09:29, John Baillie escribi?: > It's a pain to remove all the beta rpms > > The following will help speed up the proccess. > > 1. rpm -qa | grep openoffice.org > OOrpms > > (might want to read OOrpms now and make sure these are the files you > want to remove) > > 2. cat OOrpms | xargs rpm -e > > It might look like it stalled but it takes about a minute or so to > complete. yum can do this job: yum remove openoffice.org* -- Christian Gonz?lez G. Instituto de Inform?tica Educativa Universidad de la Frontera ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 30 18:18:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:18:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 Released Message-ID: <4314A2E3.6010103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> What! K12LTSP 4.4.1? What happened to 4.4.0? Last week official ISOs for K12LTSP 4.4.0 were released, but was not officially announced. I sat down last night to write up the announcement and realized that there have been over 500 Megs of updates this week! That is roughly the normal threshold for building a new release. I would hate for people to install off a shiny new ISO, then have to update OpenOffice.org, glibc, the kernel, and other large packages. Why not just build a new ISO with these updates included? Also included is the bugfix for setting the OpenOffice.org defaults to save in word/excel/powerpoint formats. So here you go, K12LTSP 4.4.1. See the changelog below for all the dirty details. Pacific US: (Multnomah ESD) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP/ . Central US: (University of Tennessee ? Knoxville) http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ Apt/Yum/Up2date repositories: The K12LTSP 4.4.x repositories now point to the 4.4.1 packages. If you have K12LTSP 4.4.0 or one of the pre-releases installed, you do not have to reinstall to upgrade to 4.4.1. The normal update procedure will upgrade your server to 4.4.1. -Eric CHANGELOG for K12LTSP 4.4.1 K12LTSP-specific packages since v4.2.1 ======================================= New Packages ------------ k12ltsp-backgrounds-4.4.0-0 * new background images, all donated by K12LTSP users childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0b pygame-1.6-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0 * 'suite' of educational games for young children inkscape-0.42-2.fc4 * vector-based drawing program, from Fedora Extras schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 * calendar server and resource scheduling tool for schools yumex-0.42-3.0.fc4 * graphical user interface for yum, from Fedora Extras Modified Packages ----------------- k12ltsp-core-4.4.0-2 k12ltsp-education-4.4.0-2 k12ltsp-extras-4.4.0-1 k12ltsp-utils-4.4.0-1 * update dependancies ltsp_config-0.0.33-k12ltsp.4.4.1 * change default file formats for openoffice.org * change default gstreamer input/output * turn on VNC by default * turn on SELinux by default, but disable dhcp, portmat, etc * new default background root-desktop-urls-0.3-k12ltsp.4.4.0 * install AcroReader 7.0 * install a JRE that does not conflict with gcc-java Latest Versions --------------- DansGuardian-2.8.0.4-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 firefox-1.0.6-1.1.fc4.k12ltsp.4.4.0 gcompris-6.5.3-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0 icewm-1.2.20-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0 schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 squidGuard-1.2.0-8.k12ltsp.4.4.0 tuxpaint-0.9.14-0.k12ltsp.4.4.0 tuxtype2-1.5.3-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0 Fedora Extras ============= apt-0.5.15cnc7-6.fc4 blender-2.37-2 bluefish-1.0.3-1.fc4 buffer-1.19-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 cabextract-1.1-3 celestia-1.3.2-3 fltk-1.1.4-10.fc4 glibmm24-2.6.1-1 gnome-theme-clearlooks-bigpack-0.5-1.fc4 gnome-themes-extras-0.8.1-1 gnuchess-5.07-8.fc4 gtkglext-1.0.6-2 gtkmm24-2.6.2-2 lcms-1.14-3 libsigc++20-2.0.11-1 linc-1.0.3-3.1 meld-0.9.6-1 mknbi-1.4.4-2 openal-0.0-0.4.20040726 perl-Authen-SASL-2.09-3.fc4 perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.97-1.fc4 perl-Mail-Alias-1.12-4 perl-Net-SSLeay-1.26-2 perl-String-ShellQuote-1.03-2 python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 30 18:19:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:19:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum vs. up2date Message-ID: <1125425976.11844.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> I don't think I changed the default configs on yum or up2date on a K12LTSP-4.2.1EL install but now yum says there are no updates and up2date shows an evolution update in the centos4 update repository. Is that normal? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 30 18:23:43 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] geode driver In-Reply-To: <46167.10.10.207.74.1125423987.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <46167.10.10.207.74.1125423987.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Shawn, yes, the geode is still supported, you just need to use the 'nsc' driver. Take a look at my wiki article on this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#Geode_GX1 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > I just installed (upgraded) a 4th grade lab today, and when I entered > "geode" for the Cyrix 5530 video card, I was bummed to find it does not > exist in current LTSP... > > Is there a replacement for geode? I tried copying geode_drv.o from an > older install, but it fails out. Is there any hope for the old Cyrix 5530 > cards with 4.4.0? > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Aug 30 18:26:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:26:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 Released In-Reply-To: <4314A2E3.6010103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4314A2E3.6010103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1125426404.11844.92.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 13:18, Eric Harrison wrote: > What! K12LTSP 4.4.1? What happened to 4.4.0? > > Last week official ISOs for K12LTSP 4.4.0 were released, but was not > officially announced. I sat down last night to write up the announcement > and realized that there have been over 500 Megs of updates this week! > That is roughly the normal threshold for building a new release. > > I would hate for people to install off a shiny new ISO, then have to > update OpenOffice.org, glibc, the kernel, and other large packages. Why > not just build a new ISO with these updates included? Thank you! The respin isos really do save a lot of time and trouble compared to installing a base release and then pulling all the updates even if you have a fast internet connection. I've never quite understood why the fedora project doesn't do this themselves. When I mention it on their mailing list they mumble something about it being too hard. So thanks again for the effort. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 30 18:26:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:26:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum vs. up2date In-Reply-To: <1125425976.11844.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1125425976.11844.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4314A4F1.6040107@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > I don't think I changed the default configs on yum or up2date on a > K12LTSP-4.2.1EL install but now yum says there are no updates and > up2date shows an evolution update in the centos4 update repository. > Is that normal? > The mirrors do not all update at exactly the same time. Yum and up2date use the same mirror list, it is luck-of-the-draw that up2date hit a mirror with a fresher package set than the mirror that yum hit. the evolution update was just released, so your odds of seeing differences between mirrors is greater. I added this package to the K12LTSP repository, but I must have missed rebuilding the 4.2.1EL repository. I'll re-run that now to make sure my mirror is fresh... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mhoppes at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 18:30:33 2005 From: mhoppes at gmail.com (Matt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:30:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on Fedora Core 1 LTSP Message-ID: Hi, Where do I get the GPG key for Fetching ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora//headers/header.info..? When I try to use it for up2date it says: The package ImageMagick-5.5.6-13.legacy is not signed with a GPG signature. Aborting... Package ImageMagick-5.5.6-13.legacy does not have a GPG signature. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Aug 30 18:41:46 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:41:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] geode driver In-Reply-To: References: <46167.10.10.207.74.1125423987.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4314A86A.5010004@inlandlakes.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > yes, the geode is still supported, you just need to use the 'nsc' > driver. Take a look at my wiki article on this: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#Geode_GX1 Jim, Thank you VERY much -- I'm in a different building, and I can't test now -- but I'm confident that will do the trick. I really appreciate your quick reply! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From edward at netday.org.za Tue Aug 30 18:45:02 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:45:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] geode driver In-Reply-To: <46167.10.10.207.74.1125423987.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <46167.10.10.207.74.1125423987.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <8BD3C372-CB99-480E-B812-48E63C04CBFA@netday.org.za> Shawn Set your driver to nsc in lts.conf. XSERVER = nsc It worked for me. It has something to do with the change from XFree86 to X.org in LTSP. cheers ed On 30 Aug 2005, at 7:46 PM, Shawn Powers wrote: > I just installed (upgraded) a 4th grade lab today, and when I entered > "geode" for the Cyrix 5530 video card, I was bummed to find it does > not > exist in current LTSP... > > Is there a replacement for geode? I tried copying geode_drv.o from an > older install, but it fails out. Is there any hope for the old > Cyrix 5530 > cards with 4.4.0? > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation > should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Aug 30 19:03:32 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.1 Released In-Reply-To: <4314A2E3.6010103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4314A2E3.6010103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <34177.163.41.147.56.1125428612.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > So here you go, K12LTSP 4.4.1. See the changelog below for all the dirty > details. *cheers!* Thanks for all the hard work! -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 30 19:55:09 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:55:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on Fedora Core 1 LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4314B99D.9020608@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Matt wrote: > Hi, > Where do I get the GPG key for > Fetching ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora//headers/header.info..? > > When I try to use it for up2date it says: > The package ImageMagick-5.5.6-13.legacy is not signed with a GPG > signature. Aborting... > Package ImageMagick-5.5.6-13.legacy does not have a GPG signature. > This command should do the trick for you: rpm --import http://www.fedoralegacy.org/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Aug 30 20:12:43 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:12:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Samba issue - A little more info. Message-ID: <4314BDBB.7060809@honeygroveisd.net> I've been tinkering with this Samba problem as time permits and I've made a few discoveries that may help someone help me. Using a specific situation: A user "tdbryant" moved from middle school to high school. At the beginning of the year I moved him out of the "ms" group and into the "hs" group. Now User Manager shows him as being in the "ms" group and not a member of the "hs" group. Somehow he reverted. If I run "# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupmod -m tdbryant hs" I get the error "User tdbryant is already in the group." If I look him up in Webmin, he's in the "hs" group and not in the "ms" group. But, when he tries to access a Samba share that is set to allow access only by "hs" group members, he is denied access. So, it seems that LDAP knows he's there, but Samba doesn't. Does this help? I'm at a loss here. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "To know when to be generous and when firm -- this is wisdom." -- Edgar Watson Howe From bkovach at logrog.net Tue Aug 30 20:19:44 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IPX woes Message-ID: <51041.216.229.68.126.1125433184.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> I have been working for a week on Authenticating users to my Netware server. I gave up a bit yesterday and did a clean install of 4.2. I then ran a yum update last night. Just now, I did a "yum install ncpfs". It went through without reporting any errors. However, slist doesn't list any servers. Our network is Ethernet II and on network 10. I have seen commands on ipx_interface, but haven't had much luck with that. I think the device that should be listening on IPX is eth1. It's the one that has the public IP address, rather than the 192.x.x.x that the server uses. Any help? -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Aug 30 20:24:21 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:24:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 1.9.xx for k124.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: <200508301416.02158.christiang020@yahoo.es> References: <43135348.4080203@stmarys-school.org> <43139FDB.3050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43145F41.4000305@stmarys-school.org> <200508301416.02158.christiang020@yahoo.es> Message-ID: <4314C075.2010604@stmarys-school.org> Christian Gonz?lez G. wrote: >El Mar 30 Ago 2005 09:29, John Baillie escribi?: > > >>It's a pain to remove all the beta rpms >> >>The following will help speed up the proccess. >> >>1. rpm -qa | grep openoffice.org > OOrpms >> >>(might want to read OOrpms now and make sure these are the files you >>want to remove) >> >>2. cat OOrpms | xargs rpm -e >> >>It might look like it stalled but it takes about a minute or so to >>complete. >> >> > >yum can do this job: > >yum remove openoffice.org* > > Get out of town - Last spring I tried apt-get remove and it didn't work. So I figured that being I installed the rpms with rpm that was the way to remove them. sheezzz, I make things hard on my self Thanks. From sjsj at freespace.net Tue Aug 30 21:00:02 2005 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve James) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:00:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Opera is 10 gives awy free licenses In-Reply-To: <51041.216.229.68.126.1125433184.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <51041.216.229.68.126.1125433184.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <4314C8D2.5010106@freespace.net> Hi, Opera is giving away free licenses today http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml Regards Steve From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Aug 30 21:22:05 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:22:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] geode driver Message-ID: <200508302336.j7UNacd14380@downeast.net> donr be surpried if the nsc driver is flaky on startup..it is fir me with the ibm 2200..chuck > I just installed (upgraded) a 4th grade lab today, and when I entered > "geode" for the Cyrix 5530 video card, I was bummed to find it does not > exist in current LTSP... > > Is there a replacement for geode? I tried copying geode_drv.o from an > older install, but it fails out. Is there any hope for the old Cyrix 5530 > cards with 4.4.0? > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 31 00:21:59 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:21:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fixed IP on thin client question Message-ID: <4314F827.8040301@elp.rr.com> Will any information on a thin client with a fixed IP address show up in the dhcpd.leases file? How can I truly tell that the client is actually using a fixed IP? Thanks Pat From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 00:25:50 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:25:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon Message-ID: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I've installed the new RPMs for schooltool. I've set schooltool to run at runlevel 3. Although it looks as though it starts on boot, it does not. Any ideas? Thank you, Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, you can't run SchoolTool and SchoolBell without changing the default port for one of them (actually, we should probably set them to run on different ports by default). --Tom From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 00:44:49 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:44:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon Message-ID: <9bd3175605083017447224465b@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I've installed the new RPMs for schooltool. I've set schooltool to run at runlevel 3. Although it looks as though it starts on boot, it does not. Any ideas? Thank you, Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Wed Aug 31 01:05:58 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:05:58 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] configuring dansguardian In-Reply-To: <2898386.1125425025756.JavaMail.root@web9.mail.adelphia.net> References: <2898386.1125425025756.JavaMail.root@web9.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20050831110558.1ef62gseka4gw0gk@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Will, From one (fairly new) rookie to another I know how frustrating it can all be, but stick with it, the whole process will turn you into a better problem solver. Another thing, when addressing the list I've learnt that you have to be very specific when describing the nature of your problem, and patient and also polite (I'm not saying you're not, I'm just saying!). The first thing I do is enter the error message into google + the term [k12osn]. This will bring up any related messages. I've found that 95% of the time someone else in the world has experienced the same problem as you and has documented the solution. One thing you can try also is to do a search to try find the config file 'dansguardian.conf'. "Expected binary file path: /usr/sbin/dansguardian" that's where it should be but maybe in your system it is somewhere else. If so then you should tell webmin where to find these config files by changing this in your 'module config'. Good luck! Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au Quoting Will Hatch : > I downloaded Dansguardian, and it seemed to install. When I get to > this page: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/dansguardian/ my > problem begins. I get this for an error message: > > ERROR! Either the DG Binary or the config file was not found! Please > check your module config! > Expected binary file path: /usr/sbin/dansguardian > Expected conf file path: /usr/local/etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf > > How does this rookie fix this and get content filtering to work??? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 31 01:05:59 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Tom, > Although I've only set schooltool to start with chkconfig, it "starts" > schoolbell also. It says Starting schooltool [ok] Starting schoolbell [ok]. > But they don't actually run. After boot is completed if I run /sbin service > schooltool start it doesn't complain that its already running but starts. It > doesn't release the terminal either. > > Thanks, > Peter This is probably a problem with my initscripts, not schooltool. I did four or five builds of the schooltool packages yesterday, one of them had a typo in the initscript. So lets start with grabbing the latest package and restarting the service: rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm /sbin/service schooltool restart -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Aug 31 00:49:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:49:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Fixed IP on thin client question Message-ID: <200508310303.j7V33id11118@downeast.net> while it boots run tail -f /var/log/messages on dhcp server...should show you the Mac and the ip..that or watch the terminal when it boots..should show server and client ip..chuck > Will any information on a thin client with a fixed IP address show up in > the dhcpd.leases file? How can I truly tell that the client is actually > using a fixed IP? > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 01:16:49 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:16:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> Nope, same thing. P On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > Hey Tom, > > Although I've only set schooltool to start with chkconfig, it "starts" > > schoolbell also. It says Starting schooltool [ok] Starting schoolbell > [ok]. > > But they don't actually run. After boot is completed if I run /sbin > service > > schooltool start it doesn't complain that its already running but > starts. It > > doesn't release the terminal either. > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > This is probably a problem with my initscripts, not schooltool. > I did four or five builds of the schooltool packages yesterday, > one of them had a typo in the initscript. > > So lets start with grabbing the latest package and restarting the service: > > rpm -Uhv > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm > /sbin/service schooltool restart > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <200508310318.j7V3IBd13548@downeast.net> did you check the memberUid field in ldap??if this guy is in both it could cause probs.. also check that twchucko groups dont have the same gid.. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 31 02:58:30 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Nope, same thing. > > > P > > On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >>> Hey Tom, >>> Although I've only set schooltool to start with chkconfig, it "starts" >>> schoolbell also. It says Starting schooltool [ok] Starting schoolbell >> [ok]. >>> But they don't actually run. After boot is completed if I run /sbin >> service >>> schooltool start it doesn't complain that its already running but >> starts. It >>> doesn't release the terminal either. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >> >> This is probably a problem with my initscripts, not schooltool. >> I did four or five builds of the schooltool packages yesterday, >> one of them had a typo in the initscript. >> >> So lets start with grabbing the latest package and restarting the service: >> >> rpm -Uhv >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm >> /sbin/service schooltool restart >> >> >> -Eric >> Okay, let's do some basic debugging... 1) First, check the logs. Is there an obvious error in the logs? /var/log/schooltool/schooltool.log 2) Has something been changed? Run an RPM verify on the packages: # rpm -V schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 # rpm -V schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 You should get an empty response from these commands. 3) Let's check to see if another copy of SchoolTool or SchoolBell is running: # ps auxw | egrep "school[tool|bell]" You should get an empty response from this command. Just to be sure you could always just try stopping both... # /sbin/service schooltool stop # /sbin/service schoolbell stop 4) Let's make sure that nothing else is listening on port 7080 This assumes you have the command "fuser" installed, if not install the psmisc package (yum install psmisc) # fuser 7080/tcp Again you should get an empty response from this command. 5) Now that we're sure nothing is already bound to port 7080, let's start up schooltool by hand (this is a single long line, watch out for line wrap!) # su -s /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" The output should look something like this: Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf 2005-08-30 19:39:58,962 zope.server.http (HTTP) started. Hostname: server.ltsp Port: 7080 Startup time: 4.438 sec real, 3.200 sec CPU If any of the above commands gives you output that you did not expect or otherwise looks suspicious, post it to the list... -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 03:47:05 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:47:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, Here's responses I got. Otherwise, everything else came out as expected. Thank you. [root at cal schooltool]# rpm -V schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 ..5....T c /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf [root at cal schooltool]# rpm -V schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/tests/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Africa/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/Argentina/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/Indiana/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/Kentucky/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/North_Dakota/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Antarctica/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Arctic/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Asia/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Atlantic/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Australia/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Brazil/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Canada/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Chile/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Etc/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Europe/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Indian/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Mexico/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Pacific/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/SystemV/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/US/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/zope/app/demo/jobboard/__init__.py ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/zope/app/registration/__init__.py [root at cal schooltool]# /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" /usr/bin/schooltool: line 4: A script to start the SchoolTool server in a Debian system. : command not found /usr/bin/schooltool: line 7: import: command not found /usr/bin/schooltool: schooltool: line 9: syntax error near unexpected token `0,' /usr/bin/schooltool: schooltool: line 9: `sys.path.insert(0, '/usr/lib/libschoolbell')' On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > Nope, same thing. > > > > > > P > > > > On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Tom, > >>> Although I've only set schooltool to start with chkconfig, it "starts" > >>> schoolbell also. It says Starting schooltool [ok] Starting schoolbell > >> [ok]. > >>> But they don't actually run. After boot is completed if I run /sbin > >> service > >>> schooltool start it doesn't complain that its already running but > >> starts. It > >>> doesn't release the terminal either. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Peter > >> > >> This is probably a problem with my initscripts, not schooltool. > >> I did four or five builds of the schooltool packages yesterday, > >> one of them had a typo in the initscript. > >> > >> So lets start with grabbing the latest package and restarting the > service: > >> > >> rpm -Uhv > >> > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm > >> /sbin/service schooltool restart > >> > >> > >> -Eric > >> > > Okay, let's do some basic debugging... > > > 1) First, check the logs. Is there an obvious error in the logs? > > /var/log/schooltool/schooltool.log > > > 2) Has something been changed? Run an RPM verify on the packages: > > # rpm -V schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 > # rpm -V schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 > > You should get an empty response from these commands. > > > 3) Let's check to see if another copy of SchoolTool or SchoolBell is > running: > > # ps auxw | egrep "school[tool|bell]" > > You should get an empty response from this command. > Just to be sure you could always just try stopping both... > > # /sbin/service schooltool stop > # /sbin/service schoolbell stop > > > 4) Let's make sure that nothing else is listening on port 7080 > This assumes you have the command "fuser" installed, if not > install the psmisc package (yum install psmisc) > > # fuser 7080/tcp > > Again you should get an empty response from this command. > > > 5) Now that we're sure nothing is already bound to port 7080, let's > start up schooltool by hand (this is a single long line, watch out > for line wrap!) > > # su -s /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool > --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" > > > The output should look something like this: > > Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf > 2005-08-30 19:39:58,962 zope.server.http (HTTP) started. > Hostname: server.ltsp > Port: 7080 > Startup time: 4.438 sec real, 3.200 sec CPU > > > > If any of the above commands gives you output that you did not > expect or otherwise looks suspicious, post it to the list... > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 31 03:53:25 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:53:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell dependancy Message-ID: <431529B5.7060904@inlandlakes.org> Eric, I think python-reportlab is missing from the 4.4.1 directory, I manually grabbed it from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/RPMS/updates/python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4.noarch.rpm and it worked fine, but just FYI it's not in the 4.4.1 directory -Shawn (Haven't tried schoolbell yet -- I'm just sshing in from home because I can't sleep) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 31 03:59:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell dependancy In-Reply-To: <431529B5.7060904@inlandlakes.org> References: <431529B5.7060904@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > Eric, > > I think python-reportlab is missing from the 4.4.1 directory, I manually > grabbed it from > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/RPMS/updates/python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4.noarch.rpm > and it worked fine, but just FYI it's not in the 4.4.1 directory I added it to 4.4.1, so it is in with the other rpms... (http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/Fedora/RPMS/) You can just run yum to pull it down now... yum install python-reportlab -Eric From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Wed Aug 31 04:00:16 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:00:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell dependancy In-Reply-To: <431529B5.7060904@inlandlakes.org> References: <431529B5.7060904@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43152B50.1070705@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Typical school techie the week before school starts ;-) ... next week, he'll be able to sleep again! > (Haven't tried schoolbell yet -- I'm just sshing in from home because > I can't sleep) From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 04:04:59 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:04:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd31756050830210468d0eb5c@mail.gmail.com> Eric, I should probably mention that I've been using the previous versions of schooltool. I'm not sure if anything was really installed and I'm not sure how to uninstall it. Could something from a previous version is interfering? Peter On 8/30/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey Eric, > Here's responses I got. Otherwise, everything else came out as expected. > Thank you. > > [root at cal schooltool]# rpm -V schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 > ..5....T c /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf > > > > [root at cal schooltool]# rpm -V schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/tests/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Africa/__init__.py > ..5..... > /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/Argentina/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/Indiana/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/Kentucky/__init__.py > ..5..... > /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/North_Dakota/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/America/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Antarctica/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Arctic/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Asia/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Atlantic/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Australia/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Brazil/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Canada/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Chile/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Etc/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Europe/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Indian/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Mexico/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/Pacific/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/SystemV/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/US/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/pytz/zoneinfo/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/zope/app/demo/jobboard/__init__.py > ..5..... /usr/lib/libschoolbell/zope/app/registration/__init__.py > > > > > [root at cal schooltool]# /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool > --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" > > /usr/bin/schooltool: line 4: > A script to start the SchoolTool server in a Debian system. > : command not found > /usr/bin/schooltool: line 7: import: command not found > /usr/bin/schooltool: schooltool: line 9: syntax error near unexpected > token `0,' > /usr/bin/schooltool: schooltool: line 9: `sys.path.insert(0, > '/usr/lib/libschoolbell')' > > > > > On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > > Nope, same thing. > > > > > > > > > P > > > > > > On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hey Tom, > > >>> Although I've only set schooltool to start with chkconfig, it > > "starts" > > >>> schoolbell also. It says Starting schooltool [ok] Starting > > schoolbell > > >> [ok]. > > >>> But they don't actually run. After boot is completed if I run /sbin > > >> service > > >>> schooltool start it doesn't complain that its already running but > > >> starts. It > > >>> doesn't release the terminal either. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Peter > > >> > > >> This is probably a problem with my initscripts, not schooltool. > > >> I did four or five builds of the schooltool packages yesterday, > > >> one of them had a typo in the initscript. > > >> > > >> So lets start with grabbing the latest package and restarting the > > service: > > >> > > >> rpm -Uhv > > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm > > > > >> /sbin/service schooltool restart > > >> > > >> > > >> -Eric > > >> > > > > Okay, let's do some basic debugging... > > > > > > 1) First, check the logs. Is there an obvious error in the logs? > > > > /var/log/schooltool/schooltool.log > > > > > > 2) Has something been changed? Run an RPM verify on the packages: > > > > # rpm -V schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 > > # rpm -V schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 > > > > You should get an empty response from these commands. > > > > > > 3) Let's check to see if another copy of SchoolTool or SchoolBell is > > running: > > > > # ps auxw | egrep "school[tool|bell]" > > > > You should get an empty response from this command. > > Just to be sure you could always just try stopping both... > > > > # /sbin/service schooltool stop > > # /sbin/service schoolbell stop > > > > > > 4) Let's make sure that nothing else is listening on port 7080 > > This assumes you have the command "fuser" installed, if not > > install the psmisc package (yum install psmisc) > > > > # fuser 7080/tcp > > > > Again you should get an empty response from this command. > > > > > > 5) Now that we're sure nothing is already bound to port 7080, let's > > start up schooltool by hand (this is a single long line, watch out > > for line wrap!) > > > > # su -s /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool > > --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" > > > > > > The output should look something like this: > > > > Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf > > 2005-08-30 19:39:58,962 zope.server.http (HTTP) started. > > Hostname: server.ltsp > > Port: 7080 > > Startup time: 4.438 sec real, 3.200 sec CPU > > > > > > > > If any of the above commands gives you output that you did not > > expect or otherwise looks suspicious, post it to the list... > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 31 04:09:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Eric, > Here's responses I got. Otherwise, everything else came out as expected. > Thank you. > > [root at cal schooltool]# rpm -V schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 > ..5....T c /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf Something is different about your config file. Can you attach a copy of this file to your reply? Excluding the comments, this is what it should contain: web 7080 pid-file /var/run/schooltool/schooltool.pid error-log-file /var/log/schooltool/schooltool.log error-log-file STDERR rest-access-log-file /var/log/schooltool/rest-access.log web-access-log-file /var/log/schooltool/web-access.log path /var/lib/schooltool/Data.fs reportlab_fontdir /etc/schooltool/fonts/ > [root at cal schooltool]# /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool > --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" Looks like you missed the "su -s " at the beginning of the command. It should be: # su -s /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" -Eric > /usr/bin/schooltool: line 4: > A script to start the SchoolTool server in a Debian system. > : command not found > /usr/bin/schooltool: line 7: import: command not found > /usr/bin/schooltool: schooltool: line 9: syntax error near unexpected token > `0,' > /usr/bin/schooltool: schooltool: line 9: `sys.path.insert(0, > '/usr/lib/libschoolbell')' > > > > > On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >>> Nope, same thing. >>> >>> >>> P >>> >>> On 8/30/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Tom, >>>>> Although I've only set schooltool to start with chkconfig, it "starts" >>>>> schoolbell also. It says Starting schooltool [ok] Starting schoolbell >>>> [ok]. >>>>> But they don't actually run. After boot is completed if I run /sbin >>>> service >>>>> schooltool start it doesn't complain that its already running but >>>> starts. It >>>>> doesn't release the terminal either. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Peter >>>> >>>> This is probably a problem with my initscripts, not schooltool. >>>> I did four or five builds of the schooltool packages yesterday, >>>> one of them had a typo in the initscript. >>>> >>>> So lets start with grabbing the latest package and restarting the >> service: >>>> >>>> rpm -Uhv >>>> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm >>>> /sbin/service schooltool restart >>>> >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >> >> Okay, let's do some basic debugging... >> >> >> 1) First, check the logs. Is there an obvious error in the logs? >> >> /var/log/schooltool/schooltool.log >> >> >> 2) Has something been changed? Run an RPM verify on the packages: >> >> # rpm -V schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 >> # rpm -V schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1 >> >> You should get an empty response from these commands. >> >> >> 3) Let's check to see if another copy of SchoolTool or SchoolBell is >> running: >> >> # ps auxw | egrep "school[tool|bell]" >> >> You should get an empty response from this command. >> Just to be sure you could always just try stopping both... >> >> # /sbin/service schooltool stop >> # /sbin/service schoolbell stop >> >> >> 4) Let's make sure that nothing else is listening on port 7080 >> This assumes you have the command "fuser" installed, if not >> install the psmisc package (yum install psmisc) >> >> # fuser 7080/tcp >> >> Again you should get an empty response from this command. >> >> >> 5) Now that we're sure nothing is already bound to port 7080, let's >> start up schooltool by hand (this is a single long line, watch out >> for line wrap!) >> >> # su -s /bin/bash schooltool -c "/usr/bin/schooltool >> --config=/etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf" >> >> >> The output should look something like this: >> >> Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf >> 2005-08-30 19:39:58,962 zope.server.http (HTTP) started. >> Hostname: server.ltsp >> Port: 7080 >> Startup time: 4.438 sec real, 3.200 sec CPU >> >> >> >> If any of the above commands gives you output that you did not >> expect or otherwise looks suspicious, post it to the list... >> >> -Eric >> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 31 04:12:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050830210468d0eb5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830210468d0eb5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Eric, > I should probably mention that I've been using the previous versions of > schooltool. I'm not sure if anything was really installed and I'm not sure > how to uninstall it. Could something from a previous version is interfering? Possibly. I tried upgrading and it worked fine for me. I'll install the old version, add some entries, and then upgrade just to be sure... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 31 06:14:34 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830210468d0eb5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> Eric, >> I should probably mention that I've been using the previous versions of >> schooltool. I'm not sure if anything was really installed and I'm not sure >> how to uninstall it. Could something from a previous version is interfering? > > Possibly. I tried upgrading and it worked fine for me. > > I'll install the old version, add some entries, and then upgrade just to be > sure... After a few rounds of downgrading/upgrading, I did manage to get schooltool to blow up once. Unfortunatly I have not been able to repeat the problem, so I'm not 100% sure of the cause. My theory is that the way the package was built it could leave behind compiled python bytecode (*.pyc files) during an upgrade. Even if that happened, it is not supposed to be a problem. But after I removed the *.pyc files, the problematic install of schooltool worked just fine... (now I wish I would have made a copy first, so I could verify the problem...) I built new packages that make sure that the *.pyc files are replaced. It also shaves a full second off the schooltool/schoolbell startup time! ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.2.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1a.i386.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schooltool-0.11.1-k12ltsp.4.4.1a.i386.rpm -Eric From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Aug 31 07:52:55 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:52:55 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] script to add users In-Reply-To: <20050830095931.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9ce2602e79.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050830095931.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9ce2602e79.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <431561D7.5030306@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> If you've used the smbldap installer it comes with a bulkuseradd script Brian rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > If you haven't already done this, go to www.webmin.com > and download/install webmin on your LTSP > server. You will then be able to access your LTSP server via a web > browser and perform many different management functions. One of the the > functions is a script that will import a text file of all of your users > and add them to the server. There is also a module called "usermin" > that you can setup on your LTSP that will allow you to offer limited > administrative functions to certain users. > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] script to add users > From: "Mary Cantlin" > Date: Tue, August 30, 2005 11:43 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Is there a script to add users to ltsp server or do I need to do it > one by > one? > > Mary Cantlin > Technology Coordinator > Plainfield School > Meriden, NH 03770 > 603-469-3250 > fax 603 469-3985 > www.plainfieldschool.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Aug 31 10:39:39 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:39:39 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Fixed IP on thin client question In-Reply-To: <4314F827.8040301@elp.rr.com> References: <4314F827.8040301@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <431588EB.6050205@rogers.com> John P. Conlon wrote: > Will any information on a thin client with a fixed IP address show up in > the dhcpd.leases file? How can I truly tell that the client is actually > using a fixed IP? > Thanks The easiest way is to enable the shell on one screen of the client and type + to get to that shell. Then run ifconfig from that shell Tim From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 31 12:45:00 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:45:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Added $$$$$$$$$$ - perhaps this way I can get an answer!!! >Hi gang > >I read about it and then I lost the thread. If one installs say >plain Fedora 4 on a server, what patch/procedure should one follow >to "convert" the distro into one running K12LTSP? I believe one had >to go through apt-get, change the default repository and do some >sort of apt-get install k12ltsp... or am I in the midst of Katrina? >Thanks >Alan Hodson >El Paso ISD, TX >http://links.episd.org/ >-=o=- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Aug 31 13:25:09 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:25:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Samba issue - A little more info. Message-ID: <4315AFB5.9090102@honeygroveisd.net> > did you check the memberUid field in ldap??if this guy is in both it could > cause probs.. also check that twchucko groups dont have the same > gid.. > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ All of the groups have unique GIDs as far as I can tell. This user was just an example, and not the sum of the problem. I don't seem to be able to make any group changes for any user. User Manager won't let me do it at all ("permission denied" error) and when I make changes in LDAP they don't populate to Samba. It doesn't matter if I use the LDAP Users and Groups module of Webmin or if I use the tools in /opt/IDEALX/sbin, LDAP accepts the changes but Samba doesn't. User names and passwords still work just fine, but the group mappings are stuck. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Love your enemies, for they tell you your faults." -- Benjamin Franklin From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Aug 31 13:48:54 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:48:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Samba issue - A little more info. In-Reply-To: <4315AFB5.9090102@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4315AFB5.9090102@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4315B546.4080601@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> did you check the memberUid field in ldap??if this guy is in both it >> could >> cause probs.. also check that twchucko groups dont have the same >> gid.. >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >> http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > All of the groups have unique GIDs as far as I can tell. This user was > just an example, and not the sum of the problem. I don't seem to be > able to make any group changes for any user. User Manager won't let me > do it at all ("permission denied" error) and when I make changes in LDAP > they don't populate to Samba. It doesn't matter if I use the LDAP Users > and Groups module of Webmin or if I use the tools in /opt/IDEALX/sbin, > LDAP accepts the changes but Samba doesn't. User names and passwords > still work just fine, but the group mappings are stuck. I've taken to using LAM (http://lam.sourceforge.net/) or JExplorer to alter groups etc. I realise that this doesn't help much with this issue but it might help in the future. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From edward at netday.org.za Wed Aug 31 13:49:25 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:49:25 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic Message-ID: Hi List I get an error "kernel panic - not syncing" when trying to instal K12LTSP. Upon googling I came across this strange solution: type "linux garbage" and hit enter or type "garbage" at the install prompt, hit enter twice and voila. Go figure. But it worked (mostly using this second option). Until now, that is. Someone says it's to a common problem with Intel and certain other specific motherboards, but I've never had this issue before, with all the dozens of Intel MB's I've used in the past. Furthermore, I now have two machines, with Intel MB's that will not buy the solution mentioned above - they just keep giving a kernel panic. Perhaps I should add that some machines installed fine under K12LTSP 4.2.1 but needed the workaround under 4.4.0 These new motherboards that I got today don't even want to install the old versions of K12LTSP right back to 4.1. Any ideas? ed From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Aug 31 14:12:07 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:12:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] content filtering Message-ID: <11968272.1125497527136.JavaMail.root@web6.mail.adelphia.net> Thanks to all for the help so far. I am sorry if my questions have been vague. Here is where I am at now: I have webmin running, and I access it through: https://localhost.localdomain:10000 I downloaded squid by going to: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/?cat=system , and then: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/software/ , and then where it says: search apt, I selected squid. I then clicked install. It installed. I then left the squid configuration in the default mode, and selected the option to "start squid". I then searched the internet and found a rpm version of Dansguardian. I downloaded it and opened the package. It went through the process that you normally see when you attempt to install a rpm. when I go to: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/dansguardian/ , I find myself at a page that gives me different icons for Dansguardian (like display status, display logfile, view/edit config, and view/edit files. but above the icons I see this: ERROR! Either the DG Binary or the config file was not found! Please check your module config! Expected binary file path: /usr/sbin/dansguardian Expected conf file path: //root/dansguardian-2.8.0.6.source.tar.gz_FILES So, I think I have squid installed, although I may have to change configuration. I have dansguardian installed I think, but the webmin doesn't recognize that I have. Based on where I am at, what do I have to do to get squid and dansguardian running. I am weak at command line stuff, so I am hoping I can do as much as possible with gui. I will need exact directions on script, and what/where to do with it if I have to. Thanks everyone. Happy Wednesday! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 31 15:16:58 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:16:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4315C9EA.1020803@paasda.org> all of the Intel mobo's I've purchased have notoriously come with OLD bios code...one even prevented using the dual processors on the board... I'd check to make sure you don't need to flash the bios with an upgrade on Intel's website to ensure that's not the problem. It was for me when I was upgrading one box from k12ltsp4.0 to 4.2 I believe. --Huck Edward Holcroft wrote: > Hi List > > I get an error "kernel panic - not syncing" when trying to instal K12LTSP. > > Upon googling I came across this strange solution: > > type "linux garbage" and hit enter > > or > > type "garbage" at the install prompt, hit enter twice and voila. Go > figure. But it worked (mostly using this second option). Until now, > that is. > > Someone says it's to a common problem with Intel and certain other > specific motherboards, but I've never had this issue before, with all > the dozens of Intel MB's I've used in the past. Furthermore, I now have > two machines, with Intel MB's that will not buy the solution mentioned > above - they just keep giving a kernel panic. Perhaps I should add that > some machines installed fine under K12LTSP 4.2.1 but needed the > workaround under 4.4.0 These new motherboards that I got today don't > even want to install the old versions of K12LTSP right back to 4.1. > > Any ideas? > > ed > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 31 15:20:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] content filtering In-Reply-To: <11968272.1125497527136.JavaMail.root@web6.mail.adelphia.net> References: <11968272.1125497527136.JavaMail.root@web6.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1125501658.25218.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:12, Will Hatch wrote: > I downloaded squid by going to: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/?cat=system , and then: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/software/ , and then where it says: search apt, I selected squid. I then clicked install. It installed. I then left the squid configuration in the default mode, and selected the option to "start squid". > > I then searched the internet and found a rpm version of Dansguardian. I downloaded it and opened the package. It went through the process that you normally see when you attempt to install a rpm. Errr... Aren't these things included in a stock k12ltsp installation? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:29:53 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:29:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050402044153.M60885@winonacotter.org> References: <20050402003723.69275.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> <20050402044153.M60885@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd3175605083108293848f67c@mail.gmail.com> Hi List, Thanks Jim that was enlightening. Is this an accurate example of a feature not yet implemented or a hypothetical example? > Say they want to plug in a USB pen drive, >oohh, that feature might not be available yet. Does anyone have a rundown of the feature differences in FC4 vs. Centos? Specifically I'm looking for differences for the end user. Thanks Peter On 4/2/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I might decide to try out Debian exactly because of > > the long release cycle. I maintain computers for a > > lot of family members who have very basic needs. > > > > Thanks to all for answering so many of my questions on > > this topic. > > >From what I hear Debian, CentOS, WBEL, RHEL, etc are slow release versions. > K12LTSP is built from Fedora because it is a fast paced new release type > distro and it allows the ability to be constantly changing which works great > in a constant development stage. I love the fast pace of K12LTSP. Now for > my main servers, I don't use it. I have a few hundred customers for which I > sell email,dns,mysql,web,etc services to. I want to have those machine run > with as little interaction as possible and feel fairly safe that updates > won't be so drastic as to change my config files or risk a service going > down even for a few hours. I have chosen WBEL which is a generic free > spinoff of RHEL for those servers. I still get a very RedHat feel so it is > similar to what I am used to when working with Fedora and K12 so it make > switching back and forth very friendly for me. > > The point is you have to choose an OS that fits your needs. If you are > running desktop systems for fairly computer illiterate users just for > browsing the internet and word processing, then choose something like RHEL > or a spinoff. But if you want to take advantage of new features asap then > choose something like Fedora. > > Keep in mind the other problems you'll have with your less techy users using > a slow moving distro however. Say they want to plug in a USB pen drive, > oohh, that feature might not be available yet. Say they want to scan with > the new scanner they bought, they may have waisted their money. You get the > picture. A non techy user is also the first to get frustrated when the > stuff they buy doesn't just bang work when they plug it in. And when you > tell them that feature won't be available for another year or they have to > blow the system away and start from scratch with a new OS to get it, you may > loose them back to a pirated copy of Windows from their neighbor. > > I know it is tough with all of the options and versions available out > there. The best thing is to try them out and find what suits you best. I > have settled on different versions for desktop and servers. And for LTSP > you can throw it on any distro you want, you will just be missing the > bundled apps you get with K12LTSP. I managed to even throw a version on YDL > and PPC Ubuntu, so your possibilities are fairly endless. > > And as far as upgrades, I have my home K12LTSP server performing a yum > upgrade while I type this email. I hope when I am done I'll be running the > newest version of K12 without any extra CD's. But as far as major > distribution updates go, such as Fedora Core1 to Core2, I am still brought > back to my Windows Nature. I never do upgrades on major releases, too much > risk of old crap and old problems following with. Just as you could upgrade > from say 7.3->Fedora Core3 as stated in a previous email, you could have > upgraded from Windows95->WindowsXP, but no techy in their right mind would > do so :-) But that doesn't mean the standard home user still can't. > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eworthy at shaw.ca Wed Aug 31 15:42:53 2005 From: eworthy at shaw.ca (Eric Worthy@home) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:42:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Another Samba issue In-Reply-To: <43145BA7.8090003@honeygroveisd.net> References: <43145BA7.8090003@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4315CFFD.8010801@shaw.ca> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> Webmin module for LDAP do not work, if your LDAP server is properly >> configured you should be able to perform those task with >> usermanager.exe. You can get it from a WindowsNT install disk >> >> >> --mark > > > > I had been using Webmin quite effectively for some time, and I had > been using User Manager as well. At the moment, however, neither of > them are working. When I try to add a user to or remove a user from a > group everything seems to go a bit haywire. I'm sure it's a config > issue or a permissions problem, but I haven't been able to track it down. > I'm no expert but my recollection is that there are samba passwords and there are user (system) passwords. Perhaps the system group wasn't changed.even though the samba group has been. It may not be reverting at all. It may not have been changed in the first place. From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 31 15:48:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:48:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605083108293848f67c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050402003723.69275.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> <20050402044153.M60885@winonacotter.org> <9bd3175605083108293848f67c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125503289.25218.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 10:29, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hi List, > Thanks Jim that was enlightening. Is this an accurate example of a > feature not yet implemented or a hypothetical example? > > > Say they want to plug in a USB pen drive, > >oohh, that feature might not be available yet. > > Does anyone have a rundown of the feature differences in FC4 vs. > Centos? Specifically I'm looking for differences for the end user. Centos4 is very close to FC3, feature and app-version wise, except that the stock kernel has some features removed (firewire, reiserfs and some other filesystems) per the matching RHEL version. There is a kernel-unsupported in the Centosplus repository that re-enables the features that were in FC3. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Aug 31 15:47:51 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell Prude') Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:47:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Good example of "concepts before specifics" Message-ID: <4315D127.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> Folks, I found something on www.linuxjournal.com from a teacher in Italy. Apparently he, like some of us on this list, is afraid that too many students are simply learning to be "click-monkeys." This is one reason that he uses GNU/Linux in his schools. For those teachers who want to cry, "Oh, but I need Reader Rabbit and Microsoft Office!", here's what Prof. Nunzio Brugaletta has to say on it. 'According to Nunzio, the situation from this point of view is becoming worse over time and needs urgent fixing. To stress the point, he quoted one of his fellow teachers, who some time before had told him "[IT teachers] risk becom[ing] mere mouse-clicker trainers!". Nunzio always remembers that comment, which was meant as a joke, because he sees it happening all too often. Every year, he says, kids come to school with less real knowledge of technology and its implications. So teachers have a greater responsibility if they don't want to produce simple "mouse-clicking monkeys".' Here is the link. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8507 --TP From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 31 15:54:19 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:54:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NFS failed after power failure In-Reply-To: <20050830140149.56382.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050830140149.56382.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Drive space is not a problem on this server. . . And the interfaces are fine (everything else works fine. . .) It is back to working now, anyway. . . Thank for the reply, though! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Timothy Legge wrote: > > --- Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Howdy. . . > > > > Wierd problem . . . We had a power failure the other > > day due to a SysCo > > food truck and a telephone cable getting in a fight > > and after the power > > was restored, this server will no longer start NFS. > > > > I can reboot and it will get to the line that says > > Starting NFS and sit > > there for the rest of your life. I did run the fsck > > when the server was > > starting so I don't think there is a filesystem > > error. > > > > I did chkconfig nfs off to make it not load on > > bootup, but NFS isn't > > loading so terminals won't start from it this way. > > > > Server is FC3 and standard K12LTSP install with > > custom configurations in > > samba and etc. All was working great until the > > power failure. > > > > Any ideas where to look for why NFS won't restart? > > I always say that the first thing I check when a Linux > server is misbehaving is disk space. Unfortunately I > am normally 20 minutes into the issue and running out > of options before I remember ;-) > > Also, I have seen nfs have problems starting when > there was network issues on its interface... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 31 15:59:12 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:59:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4315D3D0.8020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Alan A Hodson wrote: > Added $$$$$$$$$$ - perhaps this way I can get an answer!!! > >> Hi gang >> >> I read about it and then I lost the thread. If one installs say plain >> Fedora 4 on a server, what patch/procedure should one follow to >> "convert" the distro into one running K12LTSP? I believe one had to >> go through apt-get, change the default repository and do some sort of >> apt-get install k12ltsp... or am I in the midst of Katrina? >> Thanks >> Alan Hodson >> El Paso ISD, TX >> http://links.episd.org/ >> -=o=- >> The wiki entry on installing on AMD64 also applies to upgrading a stock i386 FC4 server to K12LTSP: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, could you have had problems reaching the DNS server? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From edward at netday.org.za Wed Aug 31 16:19:02 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:19:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic In-Reply-To: <4315C9EA.1020803@paasda.org> References: <4315C9EA.1020803@paasda.org> Message-ID: I'll try your suggestion, but why would some mb's work on 4.2 and not on 4.4 (at least not without coaxing). ed On 31 Aug 2005, at 5:16 PM, Huck wrote: > all of the Intel mobo's I've purchased have notoriously come with > OLD bios code...one even prevented using the dual processors on the > board... > > I'd check to make sure you don't need to flash the bios with an > upgrade on Intel's website to ensure that's not the problem. > > It was for me when I was upgrading one box from k12ltsp4.0 to 4.2 I > believe. > > --Huck > > Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> Hi List >> I get an error "kernel panic - not syncing" when trying to instal >> K12LTSP. >> Upon googling I came across this strange solution: >> type "linux garbage" and hit enter >> or >> type "garbage" at the install prompt, hit enter twice and voila. >> Go figure. But it worked (mostly using this second option). Until >> now, that is. >> Someone says it's to a common problem with Intel and certain >> other specific motherboards, but I've never had this issue >> before, with all the dozens of Intel MB's I've used in the past. >> Furthermore, I now have two machines, with Intel MB's that will >> not buy the solution mentioned above - they just keep giving a >> kernel panic. Perhaps I should add that some machines installed >> fine under K12LTSP 4.2.1 but needed the workaround under 4.4.0 >> These new motherboards that I got today don't even want to >> install the old versions of K12LTSP right back to 4.1. >> Any ideas? >> ed >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Aug 31 16:26:26 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:26:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4315DA32.80504@saskforestcentre.ca> Wow- that's a cute way to get a response... :-) Anyway - have a look on the k12ltsp wiki under hardware, amd64 installation. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation The instructions there were written out by Eric H. in January, but they could be adapted for a FC4 install, I suppose. There's a few version-specific things in there and one x86-64 that should probably be i386, but that should cover you. Good luck, and don't forget step 6 (Rejoice). Angus Carr. Alan A Hodson wrote: > Added $$$$$$$$$$ - perhaps this way I can get an answer!!! > >> Hi gang >> >> I read about it and then I lost the thread. If one installs say plain >> Fedora 4 on a server, what patch/procedure should one follow to >> "convert" the distro into one running K12LTSP? I believe one had to >> go through apt-get, change the default repository and do some sort of >> apt-get install k12ltsp... or am I in the midst of Katrina? >> Thanks >> Alan Hodson >> El Paso ISD, TX >> http://links.episd.org/ >> -=o=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 31 16:34:39 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:34:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: <4315C9EA.1020803@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4315DC1F.3020708@paasda.org> I don't know... I had some MSI board that would NEVER boot with the 4.2 disc...but 4.1 was fine...never figured a fix for that..just decided to use debian and backuppc for that box =) The Intels tho...were just finicky(sp).. --Huck Edward Holcroft wrote: > I'll try your suggestion, but why would some mb's work on 4.2 and not > on 4.4 (at least not without coaxing). > > ed > On 31 Aug 2005, at 5:16 PM, Huck wrote: > >> all of the Intel mobo's I've purchased have notoriously come with OLD >> bios code...one even prevented using the dual processors on the board... >> >> I'd check to make sure you don't need to flash the bios with an >> upgrade on Intel's website to ensure that's not the problem. >> >> It was for me when I was upgrading one box from k12ltsp4.0 to 4.2 I >> believe. >> >> --Huck >> >> Edward Holcroft wrote: >> >>> Hi List >>> I get an error "kernel panic - not syncing" when trying to instal >>> K12LTSP. >>> Upon googling I came across this strange solution: >>> type "linux garbage" and hit enter >>> or >>> type "garbage" at the install prompt, hit enter twice and voila. Go >>> figure. But it worked (mostly using this second option). Until now, >>> that is. >>> Someone says it's to a common problem with Intel and certain other >>> specific motherboards, but I've never had this issue before, with >>> all the dozens of Intel MB's I've used in the past. Furthermore, I >>> now have two machines, with Intel MB's that will not buy the >>> solution mentioned above - they just keep giving a kernel panic. >>> Perhaps I should add that some machines installed fine under >>> K12LTSP 4.2.1 but needed the workaround under 4.4.0 These new >>> motherboards that I got today don't even want to install the old >>> versions of K12LTSP right back to 4.1. >>> Any ideas? >>> ed >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From edward at netday.org.za Wed Aug 31 16:41:36 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:41:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic In-Reply-To: <4315DC1F.3020708@paasda.org> References: <4315C9EA.1020803@paasda.org> <4315DC1F.3020708@paasda.org> Message-ID: <39DBC685-E035-4760-BB2D-4D7198B2F7A5@netday.org.za> ha, don't even mention MSI - I stopped using them and never had trouble with Intels until now. I'll give the BIOS update a try tomorrow when I'm back in the office and will give feedback on success/failure. ed On 31 Aug 2005, at 6:34 PM, Huck wrote: > I don't know... > I had some MSI board that would NEVER boot with the 4.2 disc...but > 4.1 was fine...never figured a fix for that..just decided to use > debian and backuppc for that box =) > The Intels tho...were just finicky(sp).. > > --Huck > > Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> I'll try your suggestion, but why would some mb's work on 4.2 and >> not on 4.4 (at least not without coaxing). >> ed >> On 31 Aug 2005, at 5:16 PM, Huck wrote: >> >>> all of the Intel mobo's I've purchased have notoriously come >>> with OLD bios code...one even prevented using the dual >>> processors on the board... >>> >>> I'd check to make sure you don't need to flash the bios with an >>> upgrade on Intel's website to ensure that's not the problem. >>> >>> It was for me when I was upgrading one box from k12ltsp4.0 to 4.2 >>> I believe. >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> Edward Holcroft wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi List >>>> I get an error "kernel panic - not syncing" when trying to >>>> instal K12LTSP. >>>> Upon googling I came across this strange solution: >>>> type "linux garbage" and hit enter >>>> or >>>> type "garbage" at the install prompt, hit enter twice and >>>> voila. Go figure. But it worked (mostly using this second >>>> option). Until now, that is. >>>> Someone says it's to a common problem with Intel and certain >>>> other specific motherboards, but I've never had this issue >>>> before, with all the dozens of Intel MB's I've used in the >>>> past. Furthermore, I now have two machines, with Intel MB's >>>> that will not buy the solution mentioned above - they just >>>> keep giving a kernel panic. Perhaps I should add that some >>>> machines installed fine under K12LTSP 4.2.1 but needed the >>>> workaround under 4.4.0 These new motherboards that I got today >>>> don't even want to install the old versions of K12LTSP right >>>> back to 4.1. >>>> Any ideas? >>>> ed >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 31 16:46:05 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:46:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fixed IP on thin client question In-Reply-To: <4314F827.8040301@elp.rr.com> References: <4314F827.8040301@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4315DECD.3020803@maltzen.net> No, it won't show up in the leases file. As others have suggested, run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' while the client boots. Petre John P. Conlon wrote: > Will any information on a thin client with a fixed IP address show up in > the dhcpd.leases file? How can I truly tell that the client is actually > using a fixed IP? > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mcantlin at plainfieldschool.org Wed Aug 31 16:43:58 2005 From: mcantlin at plainfieldschool.org (Mary Cantlin) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] password help Message-ID: <46943.69.35.22.74.1125506638.squirrel@mail.plainfieldschool.org> I am dealing with a K-8 school. The default password we set up was set as"welcome". We need them to change their password when they first sign in. Therefore, we need to come up with a new standard i.e. min x chars, 1 lower, 1 upper, 1 number, etc. Is there a way to test for a standard? We need to get something to work which will be easy as possible for the students or it would be great if we can stop Fedora from matching against the dictionary and keep saying invalid password. We need to lessen the restrictions and make it easier for the students and yet still have security. Mary Cantlin Technology Coordinator Plainfield School Meriden, NH 03770 603-469-3250 fax 603 469-3985 www.plainfieldschool.org From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 31 17:03:23 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:03:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy controlled client config? Message-ID: <1125507803.25218.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Is it possible to customize an etherboot floppy so that a custom setup in lts.conf will apply to whatever box is booted with that disk instead of having to tie it to a mac address? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 17:36:59 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:36:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ In-Reply-To: <4315D3D0.8020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4315D3D0.8020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd3175605083110364b779ccf@mail.gmail.com> Might be dumb question but, does it also apply to fc4 x86_64 and centos4 x86_64? Peter On 8/31/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Alan A Hodson wrote: > > Added $$$$$$$$$$ - perhaps this way I can get an answer!!! > > > >> Hi gang > >> > >> I read about it and then I lost the thread. If one installs say plain > >> Fedora 4 on a server, what patch/procedure should one follow to > >> "convert" the distro into one running K12LTSP? I believe one had to > >> go through apt-get, change the default repository and do some sort of > >> apt-get install k12ltsp... or am I in the midst of Katrina? > >> Thanks > >> Alan Hodson > >> El Paso ISD, TX > >> http://links.episd.org/ > >> -=o=- > >> > > > The wiki entry on installing on AMD64 also applies to upgrading a stock > i386 FC4 server to K12LTSP: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 18:22:10 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:22:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Good example of "concepts before specifics" In-Reply-To: <4315D127.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4315D127.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 8/31/05, Terrell Prude' wrote: > Every year, he says, kids come to school with > less real knowledge of technology and its implications. So teachers have > a greater responsibility if they don't want to produce simple > "mouse-clicking monkeys".' I've written a quick, two-page overview of thin client linux for schools that addresses this issue on page two. I can't send the document (I tried and it kicked back as too large), but I'd be glad to send it to anyone who responds. It's called, "How To Rescue A School Technology Program: Thin-client Linux Overview." Here's a quote from it below. I'd love some feedback. Tell me if you think it is on-target: "More than ever, colleges and businesses are indicating that fewer and fewer students are coming out of school with adequate computer technical skills?at the very time that computers have become more widely available in schools. This is because the focus on Windows(r) and commercial (or "proprietary") software that has dominated school teaching environments does not easily allow for the teaching of computer and programming skills. Not only is there an expense to the commercial software, but most of the code of that software is protected, or hidden, thereby eliminating some of the most significant aspects of learning that might take place. The students are then trained in what appear to be complex programs, but are actually learning skills that the business world would classify as "clerical." There is another unfortunate consequence to this model. Not all students who learn to use a $500 program on a $1000 computer are likely to be able to afford those on their own after they graduate, putting them in the position of not being able to continue to practice their skills, or potentially pressuring them to use "pirated" versions of the software. Open Source programming software, which is 1) free, 2) as highly regarded as any commercial software, and 3) able to run on older computer hardware, becomes the logical choice for the teaching environment, but does not have the marketing dollars behind it which drive the adoption of commercial software by schools. The exodus of programming jobs from the United State to India and other lower-income countries would appear to be a direct result of their ability to learn those programs which are most needed, not those which have been most vigorously marketed. Linux and thin-client Linux have typically been considered only by schools that have hit a financial impasse and have been forced to search for an alternative; only then do they discover that it is often not just better for the school because of price, but also because of the end-result of its use." -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed Aug 31 18:59:57 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:59:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Good example of "concepts before specifics" In-Reply-To: References: <4315D127.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4315FE2D.3070504@physics.isu.edu> Steve Hargadon wrote: >On 8/31/05, Terrell Prude' wrote: > > >>Every year, he says, kids come to school with >>less real knowledge of technology and its implications. So teachers have >>a greater responsibility if they don't want to produce simple >>"mouse-clicking monkeys".' >> >> >Linux and thin-client Linux have typically been considered >only by schools that have hit a financial impasse and have been forced >to search for an alternative; only then do they discover that it is >often not just better for the school because of price, but also >because of the end-result of its use." > > Steve, I liked the quote, and particularly this last bit. I think your arguments may hold a lot of weight with secondary schools, but I wonder how to address the concerns of primary schools where often fundamentals are considered more important than technology. I think your arguments would resonate with some progressive school boards, teachers, curriculum directors, and principals who are often decision makers. One other observation is that these decision-makers often feel ill-prepared to understand and deal with technology themselves, so fear of the unknown definitely plays a part. Perhaps we can appeal to them to give the kids be better prepared to deal with the changing world than they are. a Could you add me to the list to get the full article? Thanks, Ben Nickell From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 31 19:06:41 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:06:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] network config on debian Message-ID: Anyone know how to set network interfaces on debian? netconfig works on RH/FC and some others. . . Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 31 19:22:36 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:22:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remove desktop icon Message-ID: Hello to you all, i've seen tried and used the push-icon-to-users-desktop script and it's really amazing. but .... Is there a similar delete script (off course which will work only if the links has not been renamed :-) so an icon gets removed from the users desktop? Kevin From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 31 19:24:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:24:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Good example of "concepts before specifics" In-Reply-To: References: <4315D127.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <43160402.4010002@maltzen.net> How about adding it to the wiki, at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Presentations Petre Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 8/31/05, Terrell Prude' wrote: > >>Every year, he says, kids come to school with >>less real knowledge of technology and its implications. So teachers have >>a greater responsibility if they don't want to produce simple >>"mouse-clicking monkeys".' > > > > I've written a quick, two-page overview of thin client linux for > schools that addresses this issue on page two. I can't send the document > (I tried and it kicked back as too large), but I'd be glad to send it > to anyone who > responds. It's called, "How To Rescue A School Technology Program: > Thin-client > Linux Overview." > > Here's a quote from it below. I'd love some feedback. Tell me if you > think it is > on-target: > > "More than ever, colleges and > businesses are indicating that fewer and fewer students are coming out > of school with adequate computer technical skills?at the very time > that computers have become more widely available in schools. This is > because the focus on Windows(r) and commercial (or "proprietary") > software that has dominated school teaching environments does not > easily allow for the teaching of computer and programming skills. Not > only is there an expense to the commercial software, but most of the > code of that software is protected, or hidden, thereby eliminating > some of the most significant aspects of learning that might take > place. The students are then trained in what appear to be complex > programs, but are actually learning skills that the business world > would classify as "clerical." There is another unfortunate > consequence to this model. Not all students who learn to use a $500 > program on a $1000 computer are likely to be able to afford those on > their own after they graduate, putting them in the position of not > being able to continue to practice their skills, or potentially > pressuring them to use "pirated" versions of the software. Open > Source programming software, which is 1) free, 2) as highly regarded > as any commercial software, and 3) able to run on older computer > hardware, becomes the logical choice for the teaching environment, but > does not have the marketing dollars behind it which drive the adoption > of commercial software by schools. The exodus of programming jobs > from the United State to India and other lower-income countries would > appear to be a direct result of their ability to learn those programs > which are most needed, not those which have been most vigorously > marketed. Linux and thin-client Linux have typically been considered > only by schools that have hit a financial impasse and have been forced > to search for an alternative; only then do they discover that it is > often not just better for the school because of price, but also > because of the end-result of its use." > From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 31 20:20:21 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:21 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck - Solved In-Reply-To: <1125405748.24981.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <430BE3A1.7000709@hosef.org> <430CCA0B.9000901@hosef.org> <1124911871.21756.159.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <430CCF83.6020306@hosef.org> <1124914870.21756.200.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43140E8A.40904@hosef.org> <1125405748.24981.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43161105.3090907@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > > As I mentioned, I don't net boot on those interfaces - that > was just an example for the syntax for other subnets. To > boot, you need to supply the rest of the values you find > inside the other scope. In particular you need > next-server, filename and root-path options for booting. > I'm not sure if you can move that whole stack of > if/else/ logic to the global section of the file > or if you have to repeat it for each scope to handle > the PXE and ppc variations (which is why I didn't give > an example before). It might be best to repeat it and > change the addresses to the appropriate server interface > address for the subnet. Anything within the {}' for > one subnet isn't done on the others. > Excellent advice. Almost elementary in retrospect, but such is the stress of confusion. I copied the WORKSTATION scope, renamed it WORKSTATION2, edited the IP addresses to match the new subnet, and it almost worked. I recalled that little thing called a firewall, made eth1 a trusted interface, and now both eth0 and eth1 boot clients while eth2 firewalls the box. In summary, should one want to have two NICS serve thin clients, 1. Edit settings for eth1 2. Edit dhcpd.conf to include eth1 IP settings 3. Edit /etc/exports to share on the eth1 subnet 4. Edit firewall settings to make eth1 a trusted device 5. Edit /etc/hosts to include settings for the eth1 subnet Thanks, Les, for helping so much. --scott From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 31 20:27:25 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:27:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] network config on debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431612AD.8000402@paasda.org> ifconfig? --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: > Anyone know how to set network interfaces on debian? > > netconfig works on RH/FC and some others. . . > > Thanks > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 31 20:28:07 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:28:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Remove desktop icon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431612D7.80908@paasda.org> reset-desktop script... and then push the ones you really want there? --Huck Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello to you all, > > i've seen tried and used the push-icon-to-users-desktop script and it's > really amazing. > > but .... > > Is there a similar delete script (off course which will work only if > the links has not been renamed :-) so an icon gets removed from the > users desktop? > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 31 20:29:41 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:29:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Jetdirect printing using a thin client Message-ID: <1e15b991e138bc.1e138bc1e15b99@texas.rr.com> I am using FC4.4 ltsp. I finally figured out how to get a thin client on a fixed IP and that part is straight but I still can't get the printer on the thin client to print. I edited the lts.conf file as follows: [00:40:33:e2:e7:63] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P I saved the lts.conf file. I ran updatedb I went to printer configuration and entered the data for the printer attached to the client. The printer is an HP Laserjet 4 Plus at thin client address 192.168.01 The configuration goes as far as asking if the page printed okay and then nothing happens even after letting things set for several hours. When I clicked no on the does the printout look okay box I get the output below: I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Adding start banner page "none" to job 23. I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Adding end banner page "none" to job 23. I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Job 23 queued on 'test' by 'root'. I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket (PID 3403) for job 23. The relavent portion of the /etc/cups/printers.conf file is below DeviceURI socket://192.168.0.1:9100 Location Info State Idle Accepting Yes JobSheets none none QuotaPeriod 0 PageLimit 0 KLimit 0 Thanks for the help Pat From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Aug 31 20:31:59 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:31:59 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Remove desktop icon In-Reply-To: <431612D7.80908@paasda.org> References: <431612D7.80908@paasda.org> Message-ID: <03261099-5424-4AF4-844D-EE003494FB18@telenet.be> hmhm, it's gatting late i see. that's what happens if you run out of time and hit the 3 am line ... :^)p Kevin Op 31-aug-05, om 22:28 heeft Huck het volgende geschreven: > reset-desktop script... > and then push the ones you really want there? > > --Huck > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> Hello to you all, >> i've seen tried and used the push-icon-to-users-desktop script >> and it's really amazing. >> but .... >> Is there a similar delete script (off course which will work only >> if the links has not been renamed :-) so an icon gets removed >> from the users desktop? >> Kevin >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Aug 31 20:43:22 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Jetdirect printing using a thin client In-Reply-To: <1e15b991e138bc.1e138bc1e15b99@texas.rr.com> References: <1e15b991e138bc.1e138bc1e15b99@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <4316166A.2060709@paasda.org> after you setup this device in lts.conf login to that device as a known users (testprint) or something... as root type 'last | more' your name should be at the top of the list... you should see the thin client name... i.e. ws101.ltsp (or some such) now..start a browser..goto http://localhost:631 this is the CUPS web interface... follow the instructions for adding a new printer... when asked to specifiy the ipp: or socket: or http:...etc.. pick socket://ws101.ltsp:9100 there are examples on the page showing you what to type in there. pick your driver...print a test page...and all should be good --Huck if that's not clear as mud I'll try better next time. jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using FC4.4 ltsp. > I finally figured out how to get a thin client on a fixed IP and that > part is straight but I still can't get the printer on the thin client to > print. > > I edited the lts.conf file as follows: > [00:40:33:e2:e7:63] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > I saved the lts.conf file. > I ran updatedb > I went to printer configuration and entered the data for the printer > attached to the client. The printer is an HP Laserjet 4 Plus at thin > client address 192.168.01 > > The configuration goes as far as asking if the page printed okay and > then nothing happens even after letting things set for several hours. > When I clicked no on the does the printout look okay box I get the > output below: > > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Adding start banner page "none" to job 23. > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Adding end banner page "none" to job 23. > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Job 23 queued on 'test' by 'root'. > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Started backend > /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket (PID 3403) for job 23. > > The relavent portion of the /etc/cups/printers.conf file is below > > > DeviceURI socket://192.168.0.1:9100 > Location > Info > State Idle > Accepting Yes > JobSheets none none > QuotaPeriod 0 > PageLimit 0 > KLimit 0 > > > Thanks for the help > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 31 20:53:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:53:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windowed mode for GCompris and Childsplay? In-Reply-To: <4315EFF5.6040006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4315EFF5.6040006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Any idea on windowed mode for childsplay? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Aug 31 2005 at 13:59 +0000 wrote: >Edit: > > /usr/share/applications/gcompris.desktop > >and change: > > Exec=gcompris > >to: > > Exec=gcompris -w > > >Another option (looking at "gcompris --help"), is to use the "-x" switch >instead of "-w". "-x" runs it in full-screen, but does not change the >video mode. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 31 20:59:36 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Jetdirect printing using a thin client In-Reply-To: <1e15b991e138bc.1e138bc1e15b99@texas.rr.com> References: <1e15b991e138bc.1e138bc1e15b99@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: The simple test is to try and telnet to the workstation at port 9100, like this: telnet 192.168.0.1 9100 See if it accepts the connection. Then, whatever you type should appear on the printer. Hit Ctrl-L to eject the page. If tht works, then it's a problem in your CUPS configuration. if it doesn't work, then it's a problem in your ltsp printer config. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using FC4.4 ltsp. > I finally figured out how to get a thin client on a fixed IP and that > part is straight but I still can't get the printer on the thin client to > print. > > I edited the lts.conf file as follows: > [00:40:33:e2:e7:63] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > I saved the lts.conf file. > I ran updatedb > I went to printer configuration and entered the data for the printer > attached to the client. The printer is an HP Laserjet 4 Plus at thin > client address 192.168.01 > > The configuration goes as far as asking if the page printed okay and > then nothing happens even after letting things set for several hours. > When I clicked no on the does the printout look okay box I get the > output below: > > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Adding start banner page "none" to job 23. > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Adding end banner page "none" to job 23. > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Job 23 queued on 'test' by 'root'. > I [31/Aug/2005:11:53:25 -0600] Started backend > /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket (PID 3403) for job 23. > > The relavent portion of the /etc/cups/printers.conf file is below > > > DeviceURI socket://192.168.0.1:9100 > Location > Info > State Idle > Accepting Yes > JobSheets none none > QuotaPeriod 0 > PageLimit 0 > KLimit 0 > > > Thanks for the help > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 31 21:24:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:24:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script to add users In-Reply-To: <40905.68.169.196.132.1125420191.squirrel@mail.plainfieldschool.org> References: <40905.68.169.196.132.1125420191.squirrel@mail.plainfieldschool.org> Message-ID: I've used createusers http://directory.fsf.org/All_Packages_in_Directory/createusers.html with a lot of success in the past....easy to use David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 31 21:29:01 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:29:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Childsplay.... Message-ID: Ok...I read the childsplay man page and it says to type childsplay --window to get windowed mode....but either tha ain't doing it or there's more. If I type childsplay and any options I get the same result....even childsplay --version will simply fire off the program and not give me anything else. I need to get this into windowed mode as my LCD monitors can't handle the lower resolution and so forth in full screen. Could the program be mis-compiled and that's why the options won't work? Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lee at renarts.org Wed Aug 31 21:30:30 2005 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:30:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've had a K12LTSP server up and running with no problems for almost a year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last week: they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be accessed by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. My first thought was to setup a separate web server running PHP and MySQL (which I have plenty of experience on) and connect it to the LTSP network. We're currently running Censornet also via another machine in the rack. So the teachers would log into their ltsp account, open Firefox, and then access the web server running the attendance database. This seems doable to me--does it to anyone else, or am I missing some major problem that would keep me from making this work with the LTSP network (and Censornet)? Lee Myrick Information Technology Coordinator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 626-564-0902 home office 323-259-5700 school site From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Wed Aug 31 21:48:25 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:48:25 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] content filtering In-Reply-To: <11968272.1125497527136.JavaMail.root@web6.mail.adelphia.net> References: <11968272.1125497527136.JavaMail.root@web6.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <20050901074825.pwhu7s9g1lmsocgo@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> > when I go to: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/dansguardian/ , I > find myself at a page that gives me different icons for Dansguardian > (like display status, display logfile, view/edit config, and > view/edit files. but above the icons I see this: > Click on the TAB that says Module Config https://10.0.0.1:10000/config.cgi?dansguardian > ERROR! Either the DG Binary or the config file was not found! Please > check your module config! > Expected binary file path: /usr/sbin/dansguardian > Expected conf file path: //root/dansguardian-2.8.0.6.source.tar.gz_FILES > When you're there check 'Full path to filename for DG configuration' Mine says '/etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf' and it works OK so obviously webmin knows where to go. Next to '/etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf' there is a button with three dots ... try clicking on that and go find 'dansguardian.conf' for webmin so that it knows where to look. When it can find the config file then you won't get that error and maybe it'll work. I was told long ago that computers are not magic tools, they are really dumb machines, they can only do exactly what we tell them to do. The problem is that sometimes we don't get our instructions right. Good luck, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 31 21:47:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:47:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Possible bug or miscompile of Childsplay Message-ID: Eric, Not entirely sure, but I think Childsplay may be a little broken....no matter what I put for options on the command line....even --help.....they will not work and the program simply executes normally (not what I want...I need windowed mode)....I downloaded the source and compiled the latest version 8.03? and that works in windowed mode childsplay --window So....wondering if when you get a moment if you might be able to fix the issue or perhaps simply put up the newer version. I noticed that the plain version doesn't come with all the plugin and that you have put in the plugins in the rpm.....BRAVO! Thanks! Let me know if you need me to test. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eworthy at shaw.ca Wed Aug 31 21:44:06 2005 From: eworthy at shaw.ca (Eric Worthy@home) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:44:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell dependancy In-Reply-To: References: <431529B5.7060904@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <431624A6.2060609@shaw.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> I think python-reportlab is missing from the 4.4.1 directory, I >> manually grabbed it from >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.0/RPMS/updates/python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4.noarch.rpm >> and it worked fine, but just FYI it's not in the 4.4.1 directory > > > I added it to 4.4.1, so it is in with the other rpms... > (http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/Fedora/RPMS/) > > You can just run yum to pull it down now... > > yum install python-reportlab > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > attempts to YUM update now stall on my machine with a HTTP 404 error when yum looks for http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/updates/python-reportlab-1.20-3.fc4.noarch.rpm The repositories think it is in that directory but the information above says its in a different directory. (That is not in the update directory) From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 31 21:59:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:59:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Possible bug or miscompile of Childsplay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Aug 31 2005 at 17:47 +0000 wrote: >.I downloaded the source and compiled the >latest version 8.03? and that works in windowed mode Actually compiled is a poor choice of words....I rather installed it....it's Python. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 22:21:56 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:21:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Good example of "concepts before specifics" In-Reply-To: <43160402.4010002@maltzen.net> References: <4315D127.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> <43160402.4010002@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 8/31/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > How about adding it to the wiki, at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Presentations > Done. Good idea, thanks. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Aug 31 22:42:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:42:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Childsplay...never mind...figured it out Message-ID: I figured out how to get Childsplay to do what I wanted....I changed /usr/bin/childsplay to #!/bin/sh /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & (Note: the * and &) then running childsplay --window works fine now David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Aug 31 23:00:05 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:00:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] network config on debian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1125529205.20993.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 14:06 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Anyone know how to set network interfaces on debian? I generally just edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand. If the contents and format aren't intuitively obvious the man page offers considerable help: man interfaces. From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Wed Aug 31 22:11:30 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:11:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell GX1 PII 400mhz Small Form Computer PC Message-ID: <200508312311.j7VNBFUD003424@mx1.redhat.com> Dell GX1 PII 400mhz Small Form Computer PC Hi, Anyone have any experience with these machines? Good, Bad, Ugly? Thanks, Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 31 23:14:22 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:14:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell GX1 PII 400mhz Small Form Computer PC In-Reply-To: <200508312311.j7VNBFUD003424@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200508312311.j7VNBFUD003424@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <431639CE.2030006@inlandlakes.org> Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > *Dell GX1 PII 400mhz Small Form Computer PC* I love the GX1's for thin clients. They support PXE boot, and are attractive looking. I buy as many as I can get for really cheap. (I recently bought 30 for $50 each including 17" monitors) If the price is right -- I'd go for it. BUT!!! They aren't as nice looking as an actual thin client from disklessworkstations.com. If you are trying to "sell" the idea, aesthetics are important too. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 23:17:12 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:17:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell GX1 PII 400mhz Small Form Computer PC In-Reply-To: <200508312311.j7VNBFUD003424@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200508312311.j7VNBFUD003424@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Surprise, surprise! I do. I could be wrong, but I don't know that I've ever seen a small form factor GX1--I think at about that time there was another small form factor model for the Optiplexes, but there weren't many bouncing around the used market. It's more likely a low-profile unit? With the GX1, my experience is that some had onboard 3com nics, some had added pci cards (typically 3c905b-tx). If it has the onboard nic, typically will pxe boot. Steve On 8/31/05, Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > > > > Dell GX1 PII 400mhz Small Form Computer PC > > > > Hi, > > > > Anyone have any experience with these machines? Good, Bad, Ugly? > > > > Thanks, Robert > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Aug 23 23:41:31 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:41:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running NovaNet on clients In-Reply-To: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> References: <430BA133.7070206@hosef.org> Message-ID: <783D199B-C8CD-4F97-B2EF-DE4B30F71B2F@parkrose.k12.or.us> On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:20 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Is anyone accessing NovaNet from their thin clients? > > This is the link to it > > http://www.pearsondigital.com/novanet/ > > and one of our schools wants to expand their access to it. It > appears that it can accessed through a standard web browser, but I > sure would like to know if anyone has had experience with it yet. In my experience, Novanet is _not_ accessible via a web browser. Take a look at the system requirements and their description of the client requirements, which describe the "Portal" software. That is a Windows or Mac binary which must be installed on each workstation. http://www.pearsondigital.com/secure/novanet/NNSysReq.pdf I've never tried a Wine installation, but that might be a possibility. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District